1 00:00:07,450 --> 00:00:11,010 Well, hello. And it's really wonderful to be 2 00:00:11,010 --> 00:00:14,890 back at this tremendous event. And I'd also like to say a big 3 00:00:14,890 --> 00:00:18,130 thank you to everybody that's in the marquee this morning. 4 00:00:19,330 --> 00:00:23,450 It's wonderful to see you. And I think we're going to have 5 00:00:23,450 --> 00:00:26,530 a very interesting little news slot today because there's 6 00:00:26,530 --> 00:00:29,530 clearly some interesting things happening in the world. 7 00:00:30,090 --> 00:00:36,760 But I should start off by saying good morning, today is the 29th 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,920 of June. It is 1115. 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,000 Welcome to UK column news. My name is Brian Gerrish. 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,400 I'm your host and I have with me Mike Robinson. 11 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,440 I have Patrick Henningson, I have Charles Mallett and 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,400 somewhere she's disappeared is Sandy Adams. 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,880 So a big I think we're allowed a round of applause today for all 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:05,880 the effort. Now I've got to be very careful 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,800 because we've only got a 50 minute slot. 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,760 We've always got a lot to talk about, so I have to be careful I 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,160 don't chew up my slot with too much chat to you, but I think a 18 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,520 little bit is necessary. You will notice I'm wearing a 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,920 tie. Now, this is out of great 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,200 respect to all of you, but it's also a little bit of a joke 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,600 that's been going on for a number of years because Ian 22 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,000 Crane from Alternative View, who used to put on fantastic events, 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,920 would always tell me off for wearing a tie because he said it 24 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,400 was a sign of being held as a puppet by the establishment. 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,000 And I said, yes, that's true. But on the other hand, if you 26 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,480 want to win people over, sometimes it's happy to just 27 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,960 reflect a little bit about how they are. 28 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,000 So I stayed wearing a tie because a big target for us is 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:03,640 to get into the professions in order to convince people who are 30 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,520 basically, they think they're doing good jobs, maybe as a 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,840 doctor or maybe inside the police or maybe inside the legal 32 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,280 circles. Can we win them over? 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,840 And I believe that sometimes if you look right, people will talk 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,720 to you. So I decided today standards 35 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:27,880 matter and I'd, I'd put on a tie. 36 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,720 So really it's, it's a bit of fun and it's out of respect to 37 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,840 you now. I the festival is utterly 38 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,800 brilliant. It's been lovely to chat to 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,200 everybody. We've had some really deep 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,200 conversations. We've done some little 41 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,360 recordings, we've heard some personal stories, we've heard 42 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,520 sad things and we've heard happy things as usual. 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,840 But our interaction with you guys has been really, really 44 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,840 exciting. The only thing I've been 45 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,160 slightly disappointed at is that although I've been all around 46 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:08,360 the camp, I have not found Marianna Spring and and I think 47 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,520 it's pretty poor that once again, she's not given us the 48 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,880 courtesy of turning up to have a proper debate about what's going 49 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,720 on in the world. So I think before I just do my 50 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,800 quick new slot, it would be appropriate to do a substantial 51 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Boo for the BBC. Shall we do that Boo? 52 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:39,040 OK, right now I'm going to start off with a little picture. 53 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,440 And the caption, if you can't read it, is no better place than 54 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,360 a church hall. And what's the significance of 55 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,720 this picture? Well, earlier in the week I was 56 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,280 able to go to a a public meeting. 57 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,520 It was called Big Community and it was held in this little 58 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,200 church hall. And the subject was about the 59 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,920 future expansion of Plymouth. So more or less, well, for a lot 60 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,320 of people out of the blue, what's what's come out is that 61 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,960 there's going to be substantial changes to the way local 62 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,680 government works. But don't worry because your 63 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,240 opinion counts. OK, So this is where it took 64 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,480 place. There was limited space inside. 65 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,640 And the Plymouth City Council team who were present said to 66 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,560 me, well, this was the the only place we could get. 67 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,720 And so the numbers that can take place in the big conversation 68 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,680 are small. So if we take a look inside, 69 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,080 I've blinked out faces because I didn't think it was fair to put 70 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:51,640 up some of the local people. But what's taking place is that 71 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,480 they're sat at tables and at each table there are two 72 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,080 facilitators from the local council. 73 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:04,720 And what those facilitators were doing, using a sheet which said 74 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:11,160 official sensitive, was guiding the conversation from those 75 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,200 local people. And what Plymouth City Council 76 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,240 wanted was the local people in this particular parish. 77 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,920 But there are others to tell Plymouth City Council what they 78 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,760 wanted out of life. What do they expect with bus 79 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,800 service? What were the health provisions 80 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,360 like? What was schooling like? 81 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,760 And then Plymouth City Council's taking this information to put 82 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,720 it into their proposal to government that they are going 83 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:44,320 to take over the peripheral parishes around Plymouth in 84 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:49,480 order to increase the population of Plymouth as a city from about 85 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:56,160 260,000 to 300,000. Now I found this a very 86 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,160 interesting exercise because what did all the what the local 87 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,480 people want to do? They wanted to talk to the 88 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,640 council in order to find out what the council's plans were. 89 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,640 What are you thinking as a council? 90 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,680 Do you want to take over our rural areas? 91 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,960 Do you want to concrete it over? And of course, they never got an 92 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,520 answer because the facilitators always try to drag the 93 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,640 conversation, the big conversation back to where the 94 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,960 where the City Council wanted it to go. 95 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,480 So this is real news because this only happened in the last 96 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,240 couple of days. But the reason this is so 97 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,640 significant is it demonstrates the new control techniques which 98 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:44,920 the government is using in order to give you a voice at local 99 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,160 level, but to control what your voice says. 100 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,720 So this was I, I was immersed in stuff I've been reading about 101 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,280 and I decided that I should ask some questions. 102 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:03,920 And I, the the chief executive was there, Tracy and I went to 103 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,480 speak to her separately. I didn't speak in front of the 104 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,600 audience, but I said I don't think you've been very honest 105 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,800 because you're not telling the people what your plans are. 106 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,800 And of course, during the evening when I was able to speak 107 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,440 to some more of the organisers, what rapidly came out is they're 108 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:29,120 not thinking about 300,000, they're thinking about 350,000. 109 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:34,360 They're thinking about 500,000 by 2070. 110 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:42,000 And when I hear a City Council talking about its need to expand 111 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,000 on that scale, to me this is Soviet policy. 112 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,320 This is how the five year and the greater plans in the Soviet 113 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,640 Union were compiled. So although this event was 114 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,760 labelled as devolution, what you're actually seeing is 115 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,120 control coming down to the lowest level. 116 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,240 Now, I just put a positive in here because when I started to 117 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,000 challenge and there were many of the people there who were 118 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,280 starting to challenge the whole setup and the whole questioning, 119 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,600 the City Council became very nervous. 120 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,880 And in fact, the chief executive was clearly very stressed that I 121 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,240 was there. And there may be reasons for 122 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:29,360 that, but tough, I live there. So a good message for all of you 123 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:35,039 is if you ever think that you as an individual or a small 124 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:38,880 community within a parish council, if you ever think you 125 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,000 don't matter, you absolutely do matter. 126 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,000 They are terrified of ordinary people standing up to be 127 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,800 counted. And one of the key things you 128 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,600 can say is no. So even though this is a massive 129 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,880 plan, let's just bring it up on the screen. 130 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,520 This is the minister, Jim McMahon, who was minister of 131 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,080 State, Housing, Communities and local government. 132 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,800 He's one of the guys behind it. Even though they say this is 133 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,040 about devolution, this is making people have more power at the 134 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,720 local level, what it is actually doing is bringing control to the 135 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:22,320 local level. So the government says strategic 136 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,600 oversight of English local and regional government structures. 137 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,720 It talks about local government finance because all of the city 138 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,360 councils and the big unitary authorities are bankrupt or 139 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,240 close to it. And it's also talking about 140 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,200 combined authorities with mayors. 141 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,240 And if you follow this policy through, when Ben Rubin on the 142 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,680 UK columns been doing some really fantastic stuff on this, 143 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,040 he is describing the parallel of parallel system of government 144 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,680 that is already set up. It's not being considered, it's 145 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:01,480 in place. And this is going to involve big 146 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:07,880 communities manipulated, as I've shown you, making policy while 147 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,960 actually supporting government policy instead of any form of 148 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,680 representation through a parish council to a District Council to 149 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,000 a County Council. All that is going and this new 150 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,640 control mechanism is coming in. So the village hall is reality, 151 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,000 which I've shown you, but these are the sorts of people driving 152 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,440 the policy, local government reorganisation policy and 153 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,400 programme updates. So I'm going to encourage you 154 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:42,640 all to get on the Internet, go to gov.uk and see and read what 155 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,680 it's talking about because I'm going to suggest we need to stop 156 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:51,120 this and very quickly because of the power that they are going to 157 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,720 exert down to community level. So this is a bit more of the the 158 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,280 background. I'm saying that devolution 159 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,560 equals greater control. And I don't think I'm too far 160 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:04,720 away. And and how is it sold to 161 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,760 people? Well, it's a vision often comes 162 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,600 up, doesn't it? We have a vision for a simpler 163 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,800 local government structures. So it's all sold on positives. 164 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,880 We are introducing a new system of government. 165 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,520 It's simpler, you can trust it. It's going to make cost savings. 166 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,360 And this means that that money can be spent on looking after 167 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,640 elderly people. It's all sold on Utopia in the 168 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,160 future, but the mechanics of it is very, very deep. 169 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,360 So I'm probably there for time. And I know that was a very quick 170 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:50,280 UK column slot, but I want to just really reinforce with you 171 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,640 that if you're somebody who realises there's something 172 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,240 really nasty building itself in this country, we're losing, 173 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,920 we're losing freedoms, we're losing free speech. 174 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,320 We're we've got ID cards, we've got this control structure 175 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,640 coming in. The thing they are most 176 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:13,280 frightened of is people at local level just saying no. 177 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,880 And parish councils often mocked because of the vicar of Dibley 178 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,280 and all that. Actually, parish councils, when 179 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,440 they stick their heels in can make big waves and if we get 180 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:32,520 enough local people doing it, this will start to shake because 181 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,480 the big conversation had to come to the parish council level for 182 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,400 them to get this legitimacy for them to do what they want to do, 183 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,880 which is a Soviet style system of government. 184 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,640 I'm going to end there. Who is going to come on? 185 00:12:50,640 --> 00:13:00,640 Mike, Thank you very much. And I'm not wearing a tie 186 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,520 because for some people it doesn't help. 187 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Yesterday was Armed Forces Day. Did everybody know that Armed 188 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,720 Forces Day comes at the end of Armed Forces Week, which is. 189 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,520 But anyway, John Healey there was very excited about it. 190 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,440 I was interested in the language used in this tweet today the 191 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,800 nation unites do feel united around the war agenda and so on. 192 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,840 Are you you all? Yes. 193 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,760 And this is going to make Britain secure at home and 194 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,560 abroad. And the reason I thought that 195 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:38,240 language is significant is because if you've been watching 196 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,480 the UK column for a while, you'll know that a number of 197 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,800 years ago in one of the defence papers that the government 198 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,640 published, I can't remember which one, they talked about the 199 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,680 integrated operating concept. And this was very much 200 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:56,600 presenting the idea that it's no longer home, is no longer 201 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,880 perceived as a safe place. It is just as dangerous as being 202 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,840 abroad for the military. And this is because government 203 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,800 is recognising that what they're doing is garnering a certain 204 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,440 amount of opposition and, and they're they're increasingly 205 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,760 concerned about the, the degree of opposition and how that might 206 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,400 express itself in the in the future. 207 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,880 So being secure at home and abroad is something that I think 208 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,920 we should take a positive message from because government 209 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,280 is feeling insecure at home and that is for good reason. 210 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,520 But oh sorry, that should have played. 211 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,680 Why is it not playing well anyway, there was a video clip 212 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,920 here which unfortunately doesn't look like it's going to play, 213 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,720 but it was very impressive. It was very impressive because 214 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,000 the this is was a piece of Ministry of Defence propaganda. 215 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,800 It was very impressive because at the end they showed the Red 216 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,480 Arrows and the Red Arrows are still being presented as being 217 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:56,920 some kind of great sort of what's the, what's the, the 218 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,000 word, the, the representative of the British military and so on. 219 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,800 This is the Red Arrows that can barely put 9 aircraft in the sky 220 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,000 at the moment because because they're all end of, you know, 221 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 off their shelf life, They're all end of service. 222 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,400 And, and they're having to, they're having to, to take parts 223 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,960 from operational aircraft to try and keep the Red Arrows flying. 224 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,160 And in fact, the Red Arrows are likely to be gone in the next 225 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,480 couple of years. Now we saw headlines in the last 226 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,160 few weeks about the potential of this Russian designed aircraft 227 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,720 being used for the Red Arrows in the naughty distant future. 228 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:35,360 I'll leave it there right now. Let's change topics a little bit 229 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,600 because Ed Miliband was pushing this out what dates a couple of 230 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,600 days ago. Then we're determined to make 231 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,480 the UK the sustainable finance capital of the world, right? 232 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,880 The net zero, the net zero agenda is collapsing around our 233 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,240 feet, but they're still determined to try to push this. 234 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,640 Now the question in my mind was why? 235 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,480 Why? Why is he announcing this now, 236 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,160 plans for the UK to become sustainable finance capital 237 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,840 capital of the world? There's the sort of main graphic 238 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,920 there with lots of pound signs as if that gives it value. 239 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,200 This is what it's about. This is if you look in the top 240 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,600 left hand, I realise it's small, but if you look at the top left 241 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,320 hand corner there, that's the City of London Corporation logo 242 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,600 and it it's the global city apparently. 243 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,480 And this this report Scaling Transition Finance came out I 244 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,360 think in December last year. And it basically is recognising 245 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,560 the fact that if you remember back to COP 26 and the Prince 246 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Charles was part of that, of course, now King, but the main 247 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:45,280 man was Mark Carney, the carnage Carney, sorry, who of course is 248 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,200 the current Canadian Prime Minister. 249 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,640 And he promoted this sustainable finance initiative called G 250 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,680 fans. The G stood for Glasgow because 251 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,480 it was that's where COP 26 was since the start of the year, 252 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,000 because Trump has something to do with this. 253 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,760 But this process began before that it it was already starting 254 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,640 to collapse under its own own weight with with financial 255 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,720 institutions leaving and really not interested in it whatsoever. 256 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,240 So this is an act of desperation on behalf of the City of London 257 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,079 and the British government to try to reinvigorate this idea of 258 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,560 net zero finance because it really it's just a, a, a finance 259 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,040 game. It's, it's not really about, as 260 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,880 everybody will be aware in this, in this room, it's not really 261 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,760 about climate change and, and carbon dioxide and this kind of 262 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,920 nonsense. It's, it's just about money. 263 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,880 And so again, we should be taking positives out of this 264 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,120 because their, their scheme isn't working, it's collapsing 265 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,720 and they're trying to step in and, and fix the thing. 266 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,320 And so I just wanted to bring that one forward as well, right. 267 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,080 Yesterday, Kate Shamrani in her talk, if you were listening, was 268 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:57,360 talking about organ transplants and and the sort of the way that 269 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,600 the organ transplant industry has been gone. 270 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,480 So this is a bit of a darker segment, this bit. 271 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,680 But I just wanted to to say to everybody, if you haven't read 272 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,360 this article called No Time to Die by Doctor Mike Williams on 273 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,440 the UK column website, do have a look at it. 274 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,640 Because it, it basically is covering much of what Kate was 275 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,760 talking about yesterday. And the fact that really 276 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,880 recommending that if you aren't comfortable with the situation 277 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,120 with organ donations, it it, it would be good. 278 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:27,160 And it's never too late to opt out of that. 279 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,920 Now there is a website for this, an organ donation website 280 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,080 registering your decision about whether to opt out. 281 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,600 Now. I just also wanted to make the 282 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,800 point here that of course, if you remember back to the 283 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:48,800 covidocracy, the Coronavirus Act, there was another opt out 284 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,480 that's available to us, to us through the NHS is, is the 285 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,720 ability to opt out of data sharing and so on. 286 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,560 But under the Coronavirus Act, because it was supposedly 287 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,600 emergency legislation, that opt out was effectively suspended. 288 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,640 So, so just if you feel like opting out of this, opt out of 289 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,080 it. But just keep in mind that we 290 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,800 may need to keep, be aware of what government is doing and 291 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,640 make sure that we, we maintain that opt out and that, that 292 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,640 there's no attempt at any point in the future to sort of, well, 293 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,920 actually, we, we need this because the point, the point 294 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,480 that Kate was making at her presentation yesterday was that 295 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,200 much of the organs that are taken from people are being used 296 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,800 for scientific research in inverted commas. 297 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,240 And they're not always being used for the benefit of others. 298 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,720 So whether you're prepared to make that decision to, to, to 299 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,200 donate organs on the basis of, of doing something which is good 300 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,240 and for somebody else, that's not always the case. 301 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,480 So just keep that in mind. I'm just sorry, Patrick's here. 302 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,080 Let me just see, I think maybe. Oh, right. 303 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,880 And then just finally, as you know, we've been fighting 304 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,840 YouTube for quite some time, right? 305 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,600 And just for anybody that hasn't isn't aware, we got kicked off 306 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:11,120 YouTube in 2021 for covering a story of a man who was injured 307 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:16,200 by the coronavirus vaccines and was very seriously ill in 308 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,280 hospital. And YouTube decided that was 309 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,080 just a step too far. They kicked us off. 310 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,000 They, the Daily Mail then covered the same story about 311 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,080 four weeks later with no consequences whatsoever. 312 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,240 And and then we've sort of been in this fight with YouTube ever 313 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,440 since. Now we are in the process of 314 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,120 doing some work legally on this and we're not going to say any 315 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,960 more about that at the moment, but I just wanted to to bring 316 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,440 you up to date with where we are with YouTube because this is 317 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,480 fascinating. I used the same account that our 318 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,880 YouTube channel had been on to set up a, a, a new channel, 319 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,560 which was just about serious. So it wasn't anything to do with 320 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,040 with medical things and so on. And we had about four videos on 321 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,720 that. It was taken down. 322 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,920 And this I just wanted to show you what they sent me because it 323 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,840 says here, hi Mike. We've reviewed your content and 324 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,560 found it severe or repeated violations of a community 325 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,520 guidelines. It didn't specify which 326 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,600 community guidelines were alleged to have broken in this 327 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,800 case. Because of this, we have removed 328 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,640 your channel from YouTube. We know this is probably very 329 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,280 upsetting news. They're always worried that 330 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200 you're upset by this, right? But it's our job to make sure 331 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,160 that YouTube is a safe place for all. 332 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,120 If we think the channel's severe, and you know, I'm not 333 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,600 going to even bother with the rest of that. 334 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,120 But if it's the next, if it's the next paragraph that really 335 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:42,160 got me. Your existing YouTube channels, 336 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,880 new channels you create or acquire, and channels in which 337 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,840 you are repeatedly or prominently featured will be 338 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,720 terminated if you circumvent a strike, restriction or previous 339 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,520 termination. So in other words, if another 340 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,200 channel decides to feature the UK column, their channel will be 341 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,120 shut down. This is this is quite, this is a 342 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:05,760 step beyond what we've seen before. 343 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,520 Now, this is quite ironic because YouTube has allegedly, 344 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,440 they say, moved back on the restrictions. 345 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,000 And in fact, they they released a statement a few weeks ago 346 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,440 saying that that particularly with regard to health 347 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,040 information, that they were going to just not be quite as 348 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,640 draconian as they have been in the past. 349 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,040 It's nonsense. It's just going on as as hard. 350 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,840 In fact, it's worse situation than it's ever been. 351 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,200 So anyway, we are taking the fight to YouTube and that is 352 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,160 something that we'll be speaking publicly about much more in the 353 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,280 not too distant future. So keep an eye on that. 354 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,360 I think that is me. Yes, it is. 355 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,760 So now let's over to Charles then. 356 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,320 We are totally delighted that you are here, not just because 357 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,120 you've come to see us and we can talk to you and look you in the 358 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,520 eye, but also because this is one in the eye for the state who 359 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,440 would far prefer that we weren't doing this and weren't talking 360 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,480 to each other. And that goes for all of you lot 361 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,400 at home as well. Now you've answered my first 362 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,080 question, which was going to be about attendance at last year's 363 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,880 festival. I know the answer to that one. 364 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,720 So my next question is going to be, are you a member of the 365 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,600 commercial media here to report about this event? 366 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,160 This is your chance to answer that question honestly and 367 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,040 display some sense of integrity. Is anybody here falling into 368 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,000 that category and going to put their hand up? 369 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,120 They are being asked by UK column. 370 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,200 OK, we'll have that as a no. And the reason I ask is because 371 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,920 last year, rather tantalisingly, we can't see it, but I can have 372 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,920 a grand reveal in just a second. There was a piece in the Times 373 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,280 immediately succeeding this event which described it as 374 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,720 Glastonbury for conspiracy theorists. 375 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,840 I'm not quite sure who comes out of that worse, but it it was 376 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,480 written by some, some young. Oh, hang on. 377 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,880 Oh, gosh, OK, there is a gremlin. 378 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,800 That's a that is a terrific pity. 379 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,920 But anyway, oh, I see some something totally different's 380 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,880 come so that's nice. But the the point of it was that 381 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,360 somebody came here last year to write about this event in a very 382 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,920 obviously defamatory. There we go, this man here. 383 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,840 Now you may have seen him last year, but you might not have 384 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,880 recognised him. We've had our in house artist 385 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,080 draw up an impression of what we think he looked like last year. 386 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,120 As I say, we can't be totally sure, but the point is that he 387 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:48,600 didn't have the backbone to just come and talk to people and tell 388 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,320 them that he was a Times journalist. 389 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,960 Instead, he he wanted to snipe from the sidelines. 390 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,000 And this is inconsistent with some of the messaging that comes 391 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,080 out from the mainstream. And I take you back to a that 392 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,960 you can't probably tell from the tone, but it is a, a very 393 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,360 cleverly multicultural photograph of a couple who are 394 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,680 having difficulty talking about what they're describing as 395 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,920 theories and how we should all really be friends. 396 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,800 And if that's the case, then why can't people come and talk 397 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,840 openly about the things that they do actually want to talk 398 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,520 about? And of course, it's a rhetorical 399 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,040 question because I know the answer. 400 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,400 And that is in order to be able to create division and suggest 401 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,200 that there are people out there who are deliberately trying to 402 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,920 damage society. Now, Brian's already referred to 403 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,600 the Soviet Union. I'm going to take you back 101 404 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,880 years to the Criminal Code of the then Soviet Union in 1924 405 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,640 and their efforts to crush dissent. 406 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,000 And the specific word used in the Criminal Code then was that 407 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,040 the term counter revolutionary is applied to any act committed 408 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,920 with the intention of overthrowing, undermining or 409 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320 weakening the authority of the workers and peasants. 410 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,520 Government founded on the Constitution of the Russian 411 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,360 Socialist Federative Soviet Republic. 412 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,680 Well, where do we think Michael Gove went when he was redrawing 413 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,240 the new definition of extremism in 2024, exactly 100 years 414 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,880 later? Extremism is the promotion or 415 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,680 advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or 416 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,960 intolerance that aims to undermine, overturn or replace 417 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,680 the UK system of liberal parliamentary democracy and 418 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,960 democratic rights. OK, it's not word for word, but 419 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,280 that could be a transliteration issue from Russian. 420 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,720 So we can't be entirely sure, but the point is that here we 421 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,360 are again and in actual fact the there there is no concerted 422 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:43,440 effort by any media or government organisation to bring 423 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,280 people together. They instead absolutely want to 424 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,840 separate them. And yet here we have Dan Jarvis, 425 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,280 the man who brought in the Foreign Interference 426 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,640 Registration Scheme and is always banging the drum in his 427 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,280 role as Minister for National Security, to suggest that we are 428 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,200 at threat. But of course now as has been 429 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,480 brought out by both Brian and Mike, not from without, from 430 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,560 within, and I spoke about this last week, the national Security 431 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,960 strategy which has been produced alongside the SDR and it's 432 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,840 effectively the civvy version of it. 433 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,360 But in addition to all the things that it does mention, it 434 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,240 is very clear to make it the case that the extremist 435 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,560 ideologies are on the rise within this country. 436 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,600 And when we look at this plan for a whole nation approach to 437 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,280 national security and entering into a state of war, part of 438 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,520 that war is to be with these so called extremists who hold 439 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,120 conspiracy theories. So this is very, very obvious. 440 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:47,920 Now tomorrow in Parliament, or rather as the news goes out 441 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,680 today, Monday, let's say, the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper 442 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,480 will be laying before Parliament to draught prescription order 443 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,600 against Palestine action. And I just want to run quickly 444 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,200 through the consistency of this on a point of law and whether or 445 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,760 not Parliament or indeed the Home Office should be engaging 446 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,440 in such a thing. This relates to action taken at 447 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,240 Bryce Norton Airfield on the 20th of June where a couple of 448 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,960 aircraft had paint put into their engines and and therefore 449 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,720 that's been regarded by the Home Secretary as serious criminal 450 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,920 damage. Now we have to look at the 451 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Terrorism Act 2000 to understand how any of this is able to make 452 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,880 sense and frequently it doesn't. And the reason for that is that 453 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,840 the language is sufficiently vague for anybody to manipulate 454 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,880 and wield it in a way that gives them the desired outcome. 455 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,000 So I would just remind you that Section 1, which defines 456 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,200 terrorism, speaks about actions or threats that are designed to 457 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:50,000 influence government brackets with an amendment from 2006 458 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,600 including international governmental organisations. 459 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:59,120 Interesting to change that language in 2006, but it goes on 460 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,440 to say, notably, that this may include intimidating the public 461 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,480 or a section of the public, something the government does on 462 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,440 a daily basis, so that mustn't be forgotten in it, however, 463 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,360 prescription happens under Section 3 of the Act and there 464 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,360 therefore are a number of criteria that have to be 465 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,560 satisfied. And just to articulate the point 466 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,320 about how legislation is corrupted, the clause that she's 467 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,160 aiming to use here is serious criminal damage. 468 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,320 Now you will have all seen many a video over the last five years 469 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,520 of somebody wearing high viz handcuffs and a walkie talkie 470 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,800 saying to somebody if you do that again I'll arrest you. 471 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,560 So has the threshold been met or not? 472 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:50,400 How many points of law can you see that, say, at the sixth time 473 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,880 of serious criminal damage, the offence is complete? 474 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,600 That does not exist. So this is entirely a political 475 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,920 decision and that could not be made more clear by the campaign 476 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,960 that Palestine Action have been running over the last four 477 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,440 years, which I think I will be able to display for you if I 478 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160 press once more. Maybe not. 479 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,280 But anyway, I think in your mind's eye, yes, here we go. 480 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,320 So, so this is the the front page of their website and I'm 481 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,080 not going to dwell on exactly what it is they've done. 482 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,040 It's not it's not really entirely central to what I'm 483 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,920 talking about. What I'm really talking about is 484 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,760 the way in which the government is able to seize upon an action 485 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,840 like this and do what it wants to do regardless of the 486 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,800 circumstances that are in fact laid before them. 487 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,440 Now the reason this is so relevant is that in the most 488 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,560 recent edition of Soldier magazine, the laws of armed 489 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,720 conflict are are called into question. 490 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,320 And so if Palestine action can't call the laws of armed conflict 491 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,280 into question and yet the British Army can, what the heck 492 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920 is going on? And here we talk about AI 493 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,880 breaking the law. This is with specific reference 494 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,400 to what are called suicide drones, which are non manned 495 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,160 vehicles that make their own minds up about who they kill. 496 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,280 Now, there's a very, very obvious problem with that, which 497 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,760 I'm sure I don't need to articulate for anybody here in 498 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,160 this tent or at home, wherever they may be in the world. 499 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,480 The point is that this is a complete discrepancy and an 500 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,920 inconsistency where the official state sanctioned body of the 501 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,560 military is allowed to talk about this, but nobody else is, 502 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,320 and that plainly is wrong. Specifically, we're talking 503 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,760 about the Red Dragon capability produced by Aerovironment of the 504 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,560 United States, which as I say, is an autonomous suicide drone 505 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,640 capability. It should be very, very clear to 506 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,640 anybody hearing those words that that is not something that can 507 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,400 possibly conform to international humanitarian law 508 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:53,960 or the laws of armed conflict. Now, I will just wrap up when 509 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,600 the slide changes, which might do some. 510 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,600 Oh yeah, here we go. So, so, so just to right. 511 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920 OK, we've skipped on but but you know who these goons are? 512 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,760 Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart, formerly Secret 513 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,480 Intelligence Service and an MP. But just to highlight how this 514 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,520 legislation is so terribly badly and most obviously manipulated 515 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,240 for political gain, we've talked about the prescription of 516 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,880 Palestine action. Now, if once a group is 517 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,960 prescribed, to support that group in any way or act for the 518 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,760 benefit of that group is to commit an offence under the 519 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,960 Terrorism Act 2000. That's very, very clear and 520 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,920 Section 12 says very plainly a person commits an offence if he 521 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,600 arranges, manages or assists in arranging or managing a meeting 522 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,600 which he knows is to support a prescribed organisation. 523 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,640 Now the photograph, which I will OK, which Mike is just going to 524 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,280 put on screen now, is initially a sort of montage put out by 525 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,600 Alastair Campbell, but the centrepiece is Al Jilani as he 526 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,920 was Al Sharadi. Well, now let's say President of 527 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,360 Syria talking to Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart for 528 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,840 their podcast, which was very, very widely promoted to a large 529 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,640 audience and quite clearly does promote A prescribed 530 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,720 organisation, Al Qaeda when 1 looks at where Gilani has come 531 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,600 from and indeed has been described until very, very 532 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,680 recently. So it's quite clearly a 533 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,840 contravention of the act, of Section 12 of the ACT. 534 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,280 So I just wanted to make the point that there is a direct 535 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,800 thread that runs from a gathering at an event like this 536 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,240 where you can be described as a conspiracy theorist, which in 537 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,960 one small step turns you into an extremist, which turns you into 538 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,800 a terrorist. And then you are subject to the 539 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,200 provisions of the Terrorism Act 2000. 540 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,400 If the Home Secretary decides that that fits the particular 541 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,400 agenda and the particular route that she wants to go down. 542 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,000 My question, I suppose to conclude by is we'll ask 543 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,400 Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart interview Palestine 544 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,239 Action once they've been prescribed. 545 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,320 And if they do, what will happen? 546 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,679 Thank you very much. How you guys doing? 547 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,440 Good. I just to add to what Charles 548 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,040 said, very important conversation. 549 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,440 A prescribed terrorist organisation. 550 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,199 There is no objective definition for terrorism. 551 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:32,719 The designation is a political designation because not all 552 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,120 countries around the world are designating this group, that 553 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,480 group, that group as terrorists. But whoever is against US or 554 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,560 British or NATO foreign policy, it will be prescribed as a 555 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,040 terrorist organisation. Or whoever is opposing Israel in 556 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,679 the Middle East will be proscribed as a terrorist 557 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,239 organisation. Any National Liberation movement 558 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,400 that opposes the US or its allies will be proscribed as a 559 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,440 terrorist organisation. That's the rules of the game. 560 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,880 So it's not a level playing field. 561 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:09,040 Just want to put that up another another group that's been talked 562 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,320 about that should be proscribed. Very dangerous group. 563 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,760 You guys should be aware of this. 564 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,680 A hip hop band from Northern Ireland called Kneecap. 565 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,680 They're talking, they said the righteous indignation about this 566 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,720 band, the how dare they, how dare they shout Free Palestine 567 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,800 at their concerts. And you know what? 568 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,840 The BBC really stuck their foot in it. 569 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,680 They decided they're not going to cover Kneecap's performance 570 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,480 at Glastonbury. And what happens when you do 571 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,800 that, when you censor an artist, it just blows up to galactic 572 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,400 levels. And that's what happened. 573 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,800 First it was Sharon Osbourne, then it's the BBC and Kneecap 574 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,040 just gets more and more popular. The gigs are getting sold out 575 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,800 and the minute they're announced and getting cancelled and sold 576 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,800 out and cancelled. And so you think about this, 577 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,720 it's incredible. And other artists at Glastonbury 578 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,600 this year stepped up when they heard that kneecap wasn't going 579 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,640 to be allowed to be broadcast. They all did their own free 580 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,280 Palestine or protest and support. 581 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,320 And our politicians are horrified they have taken to 582 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,040 social media. We condemn this extremism and 583 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,880 hateful calls for the ethnic cleansing of Israelis and 584 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,240 etcetera. I mean, the irony of it is just 585 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,080 dripping and, and a level that you can't possibly imagine. 586 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,920 But here's the point, OK, here's the point. 587 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,760 Why? They're horrified that the 588 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,120 establishments horrified, the music industry's horrified. 589 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,760 They've tried to cancel these these types of artists and they 590 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,800 have been successful at doing that for the last couple of 591 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,720 decades. They're horrified that the 592 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:03,440 artists are starting to do what artists were meant to do, which 593 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,080 is to reflect what's going on in society, in the world, The 594 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,120 corporate structure, the music industry in collusion with 595 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,280 corporations, broadcasters, media, government, They've all 596 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,040 been successful in turning the so called music industry into a 597 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,520 basically a corporate conveyor belt of sort of low grade 598 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,280 disposable commodity products or music they call it. 599 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,080 So now they're freaking out. They're freaking out because 600 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,400 some artist is actually doing that, you know, and Nina Simone, 601 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,280 Nina Simone, a great, great artist, great singer, a legend. 602 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,360 She, she, she wrote the first protest song. 603 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,440 It was called Mississippi. Goddamn. 604 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,960 That was the first quote, viral protest song. 605 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,560 And a lot was going on in America at the time of the civil 606 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,400 rights movement, the Vietnam War, lots of things post World 607 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,280 War 2. You know, America was in serious 608 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,520 tumultuous times back then socially and economically and 609 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,760 and that that led that paved the way for Bob Dylan and all these 610 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,520 other sort of artist, Crosby Stills and Nash, conscious arts, 611 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,160 Buffalo Springfield, Woodstock, etcetera, etcetera. 612 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,680 And she said that is the job of the artist. 613 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,520 I saw an old interview of hers. I posted it on my ex account 614 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,680 said that's the job of artist. Artist must reflect what's 615 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,000 happening at that moment in the world. 616 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,040 That's what they're there for. But they've managed to crush 617 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,520 that. And then along comes these these 618 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,600 kind of guys with hoodies and, you know, wearing, you know, 619 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,480 knitted mask and whatnot and basically standing up for what 620 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,600 what the International Courts of Justice and what the 621 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,240 International Criminal Court and most UN member states are 622 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,560 calling a genocide right now in Gaza. 623 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,280 OK. They're all they're doing is 624 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,920 these are people that are working class kids standing up. 625 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,160 And guess what? The response is amazing. 626 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,160 The people are are responding to it because that's what the 627 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,240 people, that's what the people feel. 628 00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,560 That's what the people believe. And the establishment doesn't 629 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,440 know what to do. They're at their wits end. 630 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,960 The whole facade is falling to pieces. 631 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,840 And so I think, I think this is a real important moment right 632 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:20,880 now. We're starting to see the 633 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,360 disintegration of this control structure, of this thought 634 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,200 structure. And I'll leave you, I'll leave 635 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,200 you with this. I was in the barbershop, old 636 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,080 barbershop in Plymouth, I think it was on Thursday, just a few 637 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,320 days ago. And you know, as you do, all the 638 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,760 guys are waiting on the sofa. There's three chairs running. 639 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,280 There's about 15 people in there and they always have Radio 1 640 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,600 blaring. You notice that always. 641 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,520 And at the salon as well and radio one's blaring and you 642 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,440 heard some music, it was some song or whatever. 643 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,200 And then they do these PS as these sort of vapid, kind of 644 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,720 anodyne PS as in the middle. And he said what would it was a 645 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,920 female voice, that really good RPBBC, female, middle aged, 646 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,480 trusted voice. He said. 647 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,080 What would it be like if conflict came to British shores? 648 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,520 It's not something people think about much. 649 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,480 Are you prepared? We'll be discussing this on 650 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,920 Radio 1, whatever the show was this afternoon. 651 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,400 What? When Britain, when war comes to 652 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,120 British shores. And Are you ready for that? 653 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,440 That's mainline BBC Radio. That's about as mainline as you 654 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,000 get, right? And I was just like, wow, wow, 655 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,760 we have arrived. Oceana is at war with East Asia. 656 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,480 Oceana has always been at war with East Asia, and I was just 657 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,600 that moment like who who wants to invade Britain? 658 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,800 It's is it the the French? Maybe I don't know. 659 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,600 Is it too? What is it? 660 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,200 The Dutch? Maybe, I don't know, but maybe 661 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,800 the Vikings, maybe it's the scant, the Norwegians don't 662 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,160 trust the Norwegians. We yeah, I'll wrap it up. 663 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,320 So so that that's something I think, you know, this is very 664 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,760 real. This is very real. 665 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,840 They're really going into hyperdrive on the psychological 666 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:16,600 operations. Thank you for that. 667 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,480 Yeah, we'll thank you. OK. 668 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,280 I will yield my time to the next speaker. 669 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:32,870 Thank you very much. Right. 670 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:35,190 I just wanted to finish off before we do take a couple of 671 00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:37,800 questions. I just wanted to finish off with 672 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,880 a bit of good news, and that was somebody sent me that. 673 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,600 Well, Richard sent me this yesterday, an email saying that 674 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:50,160 he and some people had been out in Stroud yesterday and had in 3 675 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,480 1/4 hours distributed 400 light newspapers and that people were 676 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,320 accepting them with happily accepting them. 677 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:04,680 They weren't. OK. 678 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,280 OK. I've just been told that was 679 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,960 misinformation. In fact, they were in 680 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,240 Cheltenham, right? So, so, so, so Richard is from 681 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:16,640 Stroud, but he was in Cheltenham. 682 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,800 OK. So let's just clarify that. 683 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,920 Thank you. Thank you, Charles. 684 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,880 OK. So unlike others, we do correct 685 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,160 our mistakes. OK. 686 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,800 So we'll leave it there. Anybody got any questions? 687 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,200 No questions. What a good job we've done. 688 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:41,280 OK, lady there. Hello, yeah here we go. 689 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,840 Not so much a question, just some information share for 690 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,320 everybody. I've only just learnt this 691 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,880 recently. You can't if if you opt out for 692 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,960 organ donation on the government websites, you also have to 693 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,440 submit your driving licence back to the DVLA because you've got 694 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,240 code 115 on your driving licence and it means you're 695 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:03,240 automatically going to donate your organs anyway. 696 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,240 So you have to send it back to the DVLA with a letter stating 697 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:12,200 that you want to be removed from the organ donation system and 698 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,160 they'll send you a new one. Thank you. 699 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,920 Can can I just respond to that one to say thank you for for 700 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,000 telling us that a classic example of how devious the 701 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,680 government is, right. But you've picked it up and this 702 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,200 is where when the backlash starts from the ground up, can 703 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,440 we now get pick a Figure 10 million people sending their 704 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,080 driving licences back. If we can do this, the system 705 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:50,480 shudders because they can't introduce the Soviet, as we're 706 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,520 going to call it, unless each and everyone of you acquiesce to 707 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,120 that system. So brilliant research. 708 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,520 Let's start the wave. I will be sending my driving 709 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,440 licence back because apparently when I switch from, hate to 710 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,240 mention this, from 69 to 70, I could only hold my driving 711 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:14,240 licence for three years before having to reapply. 712 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,760 So the government decides when you get to 69, what they're 713 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,880 actually telling you is that you're no longer capable. 714 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,040 That's what's happening. OK. 715 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,200 Another question. Yes. 716 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,960 So all these people that are coming over the border with no 717 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,960 border control, a lot of people in the UK don't really realise 718 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,760 it. So as activists, I mean, is that 719 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,840 what would you suggest we can do to highlight that that our 720 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,640 country is being invaded, that the border control is not there? 721 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,840 Is it? As it should be. 722 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,080 Well, I'm going to disagree. The borders control is there as 723 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,560 they want it to be. And it's it, right? 724 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,240 We go back to Peter Sutherland, who was the UN ambassador for 725 00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,720 mass migration. He's died a couple of years ago, 726 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:04,400 a few years ago, but he was on public record as saying we need 727 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,200 more mass migration to break down the homogeneity of the 728 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,440 nation state, right? So the victims are everybody. 729 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,880 The victims are the migrants who get uprooted in their own 730 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,360 country. And most of them do look for a 731 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,920 better life and then the trafficking during their 732 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,560 migration streams and then they come into this country and that 733 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,880 creates all sorts of problems. I'll make a comment with Patrick 734 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,440 as well. You may not know this, but if 735 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,320 you are travelling from Holyhead to Dublin, you are required to 736 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,280 bring a passport because often they'll have passport control at 737 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,720 Dublin Port. If you're travelling from Dublin 738 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,320 to Holyhead, there's no such thing right now. 739 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,640 The Common Travel Area is something that existed before 740 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,120 the EU and whatnot between Britain and Ireland means that 741 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,280 that we are supposed to have freedom of travel, freedom to 742 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,600 work in in each other's jurisdictions and so on. 743 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,480 But that only applies in One Direction. 744 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,600 Apparently that's related to the EU, so just wanted to mention 745 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,720 that. And I want to just remind people 746 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,200 on this immigration issue, the biggest immigration flows into 747 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:18,880 Europe from sub Saharan Africa, via Libya, from Central Asia, 748 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,960 via Afghanistan and Uzbekistan, via from Syria, via Lesbos in 749 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,240 Greece. These are the biggest flows of 750 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,920 migrants into Europe in the last I would say and Albania and 751 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,560 Kosovo after that little war in the Balkans in 1999. 752 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,520 All of those are NATO military interventions. 753 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,840 Those are all a direct result of the foreign policy of Britain 754 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,760 and the European States and America. 755 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,040 All of the migrant flows, all of them so and you know, you have 756 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,320 Afghans in your community. Well, the people who are 757 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,960 protesting, those are the same people are saying support our 758 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,320 troops fighting the Taliban, 25 years of occupation in 759 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,240 Afghanistan. You can't have it both ways, so 760 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,040 you have to understand where that comes from. 761 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,240 If no one talks about the connection between foreign 762 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:14,520 policy, NATO membership and migrant flows much, don't expect 763 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,440 Nigel Farage to ever bring that up. 764 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,880 But that's the real conversation, that's the adult 765 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,120 conversation. They're having a childish 766 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,280 conversation to manipulate people, to get people scared, to 767 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,400 pit people against each other by race, religion. 768 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:38,640 That's what's actually going on. So we have the power to to 769 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,960 pressure your government, but you're you have to ask the right 770 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,080 questions. You have to ask the right 771 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,440 questions. I've I've been successful in 772 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,920 putting that point out to some European governments. 773 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,520 OK, it's possible, but you have to work at it. 774 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,520 If you're asking the wrong questions, you're not going to 775 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,560 get the right answers. Thank you. 776 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,080 OK. I'm fine. 777 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,040 So can I, Can I just add to that? 778 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,360 At the end of the day, the people who are in this country 779 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,880 are here. We have to work together to deal 780 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,680 with the people who created the problem in the 1st place. 781 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,280 This is critical and truth and exposure of what they're 782 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,400 actually doing is a really powerful weapon. 783 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,200 Talking about rubber boats does not talk about the issue because 784 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,320 the bulk of the people are coming in through approved 785 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,040 legislation and that was deliberate. 786 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,640 So don't focus on the strangers, focus on the people who created 787 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,120 the problem in the 1st place because we need to stick 788 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,840 together. OK. 789 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,520 Thank you very much. Well, ladies and gentlemen, it's 790 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,880 so great to have people like this because that can speak 791 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,560 actual common sense, so. Let's give it up the UK. 792 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:54,160 Column.