1 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,720 So I'm from Africa, I don't carry cash all that often 2 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,400 because it's very dangerous to carry cash. 3 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,760 But you reckon it's not that much different in the US, $40? 4 00:00:47,080 --> 00:01:09,040 None. Is the West and the East to work 5 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,440 together? We don't want, we don't want 6 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,800 rivalry. We don't want, well, we don't, 7 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,200 we, we want competition, but we don't want fighting. 8 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:21,760 And, and it's very important that that we try and understand 9 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,880 each side because that is how we actually make progress. 10 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,440 We don't make progress by creating enemies, but that's 11 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,520 what could happen. That's our podcast. 12 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,120 Yeah, that's our podcast, but we're done. 13 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,840 Let me, let me press end. But I mean, that's what that's 14 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,560 what's been happening under the Trump administration. 15 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,840 I like some of the things that Trump says and does, and I 16 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,840 dislike many others. One of the things that I dislike 17 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:54,240 about his administration is how he has created China as as as 18 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,960 enemy #1. That's, well, first of all, 19 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,400 Trump does not even represent the entire W Trump only 20 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,440 represent a a segment of the US right now. 21 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,639 It doesn't. Even the president entire, but 22 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,160 he's a. President, he's a president. 23 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,920 He's a president because we, we have the Electoral College 24 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,240 system. But as you know, US itself 25 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,080 politically is quite divided. You know, it's almost like 5050 26 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,720 right down the middle. But yeah, guys, Trump is the 27 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,040 president and he actually slapping tariff against everyone 28 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,320 now, not just China or, or, or people in the east is slapping 29 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,120 tariff against Europeans as well. 30 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,760 You know, all the right now all the EU leaders are. 31 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,440 Did you see that recent photos of all these you leaders that 32 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,520 were lining up sitting like, sitting like school children 33 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:49,880 ready to get sculpted? And, and, and I mean, wow, you 34 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,520 know, like that, that, but that's how it is. 35 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,800 That's how it is because you, you Trump can do that because 36 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,800 you know, US has a lot of power. And, and, and Trump just felt 37 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,480 that he could throw the weight around and, and right now it's 38 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,840 all big sticks. No carrots, no carrots, no ice 39 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,120 cream, sorry, just big sticks. Am I right in saying that India 40 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,320 and China have decided to remove trade barriers between each 41 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,440 other? So, so right now there's an 42 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,320 interesting development because of the Trump, because of the 43 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:30,120 Trump actually because Trump, Well, well, Trump, you know, I 44 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,840 say give that man a Nobel Peace Prize already. 45 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,520 You know, Trump is the greatest peacemaker at the moment because 46 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,320 he's making India and China sitting together, resolving 47 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,360 their long how differences. So give that give that man a 48 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,440 Nobel Peace Prize. I mean, Nobel Peace Prize is AI 49 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,800 mean Nobel Peace Prize is a piece of joke anyway, like Obama 50 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,840 receives a Nobel Peace Prize before he even started working 51 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,440 as the US president, right? He just he just won Nobel Peace 52 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,600 Prize for getting elected and you. 53 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,400 Know why not? And then he authorised I think 54 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,640 something like 26,000 shellings in the Middle East in 2016 55 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,200 alone. Yeah, so, so, so give, give, 56 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,680 give Trump a Nobel Peace Prize. You know, that thing is a piece 57 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:19,959 of joke about I saw for I saw the picture. 58 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,680 Your picture froze and I just automatically assumed it was 59 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,800 your Internet because you're, I mean, South Africa. 60 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,800 Hey, it turned out it was me. It turns out it was me. 61 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:37,280 So I had to at least one day, at least once a day, reset my Wi-Fi 62 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:39,280 router to get the Internet working. 63 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:42,440 And it just so happened. So where, where did we left off? 64 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,360 Should we? Just about to tell me about 65 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:45,480 Trump. Oh yeah. 66 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,400 But but give that man a Nobel Prize nevertheless, because 67 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,520 Trump, because Trump is putting a lot of pressure on India for 68 00:04:52,520 --> 00:05:00,080 purchasing of Russian oil. Now India is felt compelled to 69 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,000 see closer alignment with its fellow BRICS members that that 70 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,840 is China. And one of the things that 71 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,720 happened between India and China was there was a 2020 border 72 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,360 conflict that kind of put the bilateral relationship on a 73 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,720 nosedive. And as a result, India banned 74 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,760 TikTok. They put a lot of restriction on 75 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,040 Chinese investment into India, particularly in the tech sector. 76 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,120 Chinese auto giant BYD was going to build a electric vehicle or 77 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,520 joint venture in India and because of the Indian government 78 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:40,200 intervention, that deal got can. So now as a result of the Trump 79 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,680 pressure on India, the 50% tariff on Indian goods now, now 80 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 India is approaching China and say, OK, let's work our, let's 81 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,920 work our differences. We're going to lift the 82 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,400 restrictions that we previously put on Chinese investment and 83 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,080 trade. And in fact, the Chinese foreign 84 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,480 minister Wang Yi just met with Modi that's to pave way for 85 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,440 Modi's upcoming visit to China end of this month, August 31st 86 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,840 for the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation meeting in China. 87 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:16,960 That's this is the first time in seven years that Modi is, is 88 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,560 visiting China. So this is this is pretty big. 89 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,600 This is pretty big. There's looks like there might 90 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,760 be a a a soft rapprochement or daytime that's going on right 91 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,400 now between India and China to get there, come get their 92 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,520 relationship back to a normal track. 93 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,280 And he all it's all thanks to Donald Trump, of course. 94 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,160 He gets all the I. Think he knows this? 95 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,520 I mean, do you think he's doing this on purpose or is it? 96 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:40,600 Is it just? Backfiring. 97 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,360 Well, I think there there's multiple reasons why Trump 98 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,480 decide to squeeze I1 is because Trump can't just like how he's 99 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,440 squeezing all the European leaders right now, He's not 100 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,760 putting the same kind of pressure on China for purchasing 101 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,160 Russian oil, even though China is the number one purchaser or 102 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Russian oil. That's because China has a Trump 103 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,320 card, so to speak. You know, they got United 104 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,760 States, you got, they got, they got US by the balls because 105 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:18,600 China controls 90% of the rare earth refining. 106 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,280 You know, right now if they dig out rare earth in the largest 107 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,560 rare earth mining in in United States, which is Mountain Pass 108 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,960 mine in California, they had to ship it to China to get it 109 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,160 processed because there's no refining capacity in the United 110 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,800 States and China just put export control on rare earth exports. 111 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,600 So now anyone who want rare earth, they have to go file 112 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,400 application to the Chinese Commerce ministry and say, could 113 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,000 I please have some rare earth? And so, so Trump, no, he, 114 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,800 there's not much pressure he can additional pressure he can apply 115 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,280 to China. So he's decided to punch in the 116 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,800 softer target, which is India. And and another reason, another 117 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,560 reason this is again, this is I think has to do with Trump 118 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,720 personality because Trump really want that Nobel Peace Prize. 119 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,400 You know, he claimed credit for mediating A ceasefire between 120 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,840 Pakistan and India during the recent Pakistan India conflict 121 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,800 and the move was welcomed by Pakistan publicly. 122 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,480 You know, Pakistan the sing praise of Trump and they even 123 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,000 nominated him for Nobel Peace Prize, whereas India immediately 124 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:36,919 came out and deny Trump any role of Trump in mediating the end of 125 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,440 the conflict. So I, I think that really pissed 126 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,120 off Trump. I mean, that man really wants a 127 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,200 Nobel Peace Prize. And when India publicly rejected 128 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,000 his claim of actually bringing peace, Trump didn't like that. 129 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,080 And and so, and there's also, I think there's a bit of right 130 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,520 now, there's a there is a lot of anti Indian racism in United 131 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,640 States. I've seen that. 132 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,040 Yeah, yeah, there especially on X, you know, you can see that on 133 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,200 X. And I think this is probably a 134 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,840 result of, you know, like the success of Indian Americans in 135 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,400 in in United States. And, you know, particularly 136 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,640 recently we had several high profile Indian American 137 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,080 politicians like Vivek Ramaswamy, who didn't do himself 138 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,600 any favour by calling Americans stupid. 139 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,680 They should apply themselves, study harder. 140 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,320 I mean, it's true, but you shouldn't say that when you're a 141 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,640 politician, when you're trying to get elected into the office. 142 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,400 And so, so, so, so he got a lot of hate and now, now the whole 143 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,520 Indian community is catching a lot of flag, flag also over the 144 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,520 issue of immigration. So, so Trump, I think he's, he 145 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,320 sees that, you know, there's a lot of anti Indian racism, 146 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,640 particularly among the right. And so maybe he's not just 147 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,240 trying to capitalise on that as well, you know, 'cause Trump is 148 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,800 very good at kind of sensing which way the wind is blowing 149 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,000 and capitalise on the public. Popular movie. 150 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,000 Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly, exactly. 151 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,800 So I I think this is these are the reasons why Trump is going 152 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,960 after India, because he felt he could the thing. 153 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,720 That I call is. Go ahead, sorry. 154 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,560 But The thing is you can understand the the anti Indian 155 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:27,960 sentiment. I'm not, I'm not defending it, 156 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,040 but I'm saying you can understand that when you see 157 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,520 what's going on in the States, you got this mass immigration 158 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,600 problem. They have all sorts of 159 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,040 employment issues, no longer manufacturing. 160 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,240 So what happens is that they transfer the anger onto somebody 161 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,440 else. It's the same with Europe. 162 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:48,880 Europe is also imploding, but it's a mass immigration problem. 163 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,560 They like to point fingers at the Muslims, but it's the 164 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:55,400 immigration policy that welcomes the Muslims. 165 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,760 If, if, if, if they copy China's border policy, they won't have a 166 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,760 mass immigration problem, for example. 167 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,520 But they they don't want to accept the fact that, well, have 168 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,360 more kids. If you, if you, if you feel that 169 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,280 you're, that you're, that your population is, is dwindling, 170 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,920 have bigger families. Stop celebrating degenerate only 171 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,840 fans me me me culture and go back to what it means to have a 172 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,560 family you know and then. You won't, folks. 173 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,000 Yeah, go, go back to the bedroom, go back to the bedroom 174 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,280 and you won't need to point fingers at Indians. 175 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,400 Or what does that, that tweet, you let me pull it up here at 176 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,240 some Lego thing with a, with a jet. 177 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,800 And it said something about every lost. 178 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,000 But when we say every lost yellow man, we mean every lost 179 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,680 yellow man. And it's a, it's, it's a, it 180 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,880 looks like a Lego promo with a, with an F16 or, or stealth 181 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,840 bomber or something made out of Lego. 182 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,480 Yeah. It's over. 183 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,720 It's what's supposedly the China's three gorgeous stand. 184 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,120 Now it's like a Internet mean now, like a lot of people are 185 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,840 especially Americans. They're coping. 186 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,480 Oh, we're we're gonna bomb this take out the three gorgeous 187 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,560 stand. I mean, this is crazy talk that 188 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:09,000 that's not gonna happen. You know, first of all, there's 189 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,480 a lot of assumption that that AUS stealth bomber can get deep 190 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,480 enough inside the Chinese airspace because 3 Gorges Dam is 191 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,400 about 2000 kilometres up the Yangtze River, you know, very 192 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,600 far from the coastline. You know, So assumptions is that 193 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,360 American stealth bomber can penetrate so deep into Chinese 194 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,400 airspace and drop a bomb and without retaliation, you know, 195 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,480 like if that happens, there's going to be a nuclear exchange. 196 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,800 You know, China is going to launch the. 197 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,320 Nukes. But we know that can happen 198 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,600 because a balloon went into American airspace. 199 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:49,360 A Chinese balloon call. That was the first that was the 200 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:54,000 first blunt by F22, by the way, that was the first confirmed 201 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,720 kill by the American stealth fighter F22. 202 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,200 Is, is that they, they, they killed a Chinese weather bloom. 203 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,360 So OK, so a lot of this is copium. 204 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Like I said, there's, there's I think there's very little 205 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,520 possibility of actual hot kinetic war between US and China 206 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,880 because that that would just lead to, you know, Sir, World 207 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,920 War 3 and thermonuclear exchange end of the human civilization, 208 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,040 right. So that doesn't. 209 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Survive that. Yeah, America won't survive 210 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,320 that. No, nobody survives. 211 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000 There's no winners in a nuclear war, right? 212 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,520 I mean, so, so, so a lot of that is this copium and there's a 213 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,440 copium. The, the, the amount of copium 214 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,400 was produced is because as you point out, US and I think on a 215 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,760 great greater scale, the collective W is facing a 216 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,400 decline. You know, they're facing 217 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,480 deindustrialization and they're and, and breaking down of the 218 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,760 families and, you know, the, the, the, the massive 219 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,160 immigration is just a symptom. And I mean like, like, like you 220 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,360 say, oh, it's why don't they just go have more babies? 221 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,200 Well, you have to incentivize people to have babies. 222 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,080 You know, the reason people are not having babies because the 223 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Youngs, they can't even afford to buy their own house. 224 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,040 They can't move out of their parents basement because they, 225 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,080 they know the housing is so expensive and, and, and and then 226 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,440 you know, like once you start working, you know, is they, you, 227 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,440 you can have you, you need a whole government support for 228 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,160 people to have more babies again. 229 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,480 You know, you, you're going to make it easier for people to 230 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,560 take longer maternity leaves, right? 231 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,600 So the women can, can, can stay home longer to take care of the 232 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,760 babies. And and you can you have to 233 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,080 government have subsidised housing, education that all 234 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,280 costs money. It's a lot cheaper just to 235 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,560 import immigrants for several countries who are essentially 236 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,840 like, like cheap, cheap labour and a a permanent political 237 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,440 underclass because these people, they don't have, they don't 238 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,520 have, they don't have all. Slave labour. 239 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,680 Everything in China's slave labour. 240 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,400 So there we go. We have low wages. 241 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,760 Well. China, actually China today has 242 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,480 the, the, the, the largest deployment of industrial robots 243 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,040 in the world. China has more industrial robots 244 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,880 than the rest of the world combined. 245 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,360 You know, people may not realise this, but that that is, that is 246 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,400 a fact. And you know, Chinese car makers 247 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,720 like the Xiaomi, they, they're, they have a lights off 24 hour 248 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,440 20247 lights off factories. It's lights off because there's 249 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,240 no humans working there. It's all robots. 250 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,280 Robots is rolling out the, the making cars 24/7 because robots 251 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,560 don't need to sleep. But yeah, that and, and, and for 252 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,800 US to even try to bring some manufacturing back, the only way 253 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,080 they could do so is through automation. 254 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,000 But again, automation is not going to add a lot of job 255 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:59,360 manufacturing jobs. So so that's a problem like the 256 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,440 youngins can't afford to get a decent paying job so they can 257 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,720 they can go go have their own house, form their own family and 258 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,040 have more babies. And it's like, but at the same 259 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:16,560 time, you know, the rich, they still need nannies to take care 260 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,600 of their kids. They still need someone to get 261 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,840 this from Mexico. And from Mexico and the 262 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,440 Philippines, yes. Yes, they still need they still 263 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,760 need someone to pick the strawberries from the field, You 264 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,120 know, so I literally that's that's what's going on in the 265 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,840 USI live in California for like 20 years. 266 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,920 I mean, California, a lot of the low wage labour in California 267 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,080 basically runs on the back of Mexican migrant workers that, 268 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,640 that, you know, so I, I don't know how there's a problem. 269 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,600 It's, it's a lot easier here, economic downturn to point 270 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,680 finger at the immigrants. But issues, as you correctly 271 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,320 point out, it's a policy. The policy actually encouraged 272 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,960 that, you know, the at least during the Biden administration, 273 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:04,400 they literally just throw the, the, the border open and to, to, 274 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,119 to allow anyone to come in. Why did they did that? 275 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,240 It's, it's easy. It's, it's, it's free labour. 276 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,800 It's, it's, it's cheap labour. And you create a permanent 277 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,839 underclass, these people who have no voting rights. 278 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:21,240 So they, they can't, they can't influence political process in 279 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,599 either direction. So, so This is why the elite, 280 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:29,880 the 1%, they prefer it that way. And and it's just serve as a 281 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:35,440 further point of division the society, you know, that the two 282 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,880 political party can play football on the immigration 283 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,440 issue because it's very easy for the politicians to just take a 284 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,640 stance, right, Rather than actually doing something, just 285 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,440 take a stance. I'm for this issue. 286 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,040 I am for for this. And you don't have to do 287 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,840 anything and you get 50% of the vote. 288 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,560 I mean, that's, that's the quandary we're in right now. 289 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,360 US is originally set up as the immigrant society. 290 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:04,280 You know, it's, it has a being a history being a country of 291 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,520 immigrants. So, so there's a lot of people 292 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,120 who are for immigration and, and who, who people for, for reasons 293 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,960 of, you know, humanitarian reasons, They felt, felt that 294 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,960 it's, it's wrong to deny people a better chance, a chance at a 295 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,240 better life like their ancestor did when they came to United 296 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,480 States come through Ellis Island to US. 297 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,000 So that that this is, this is a very complicated issue. 298 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,960 I don't, I don't think that's going to be resolved anytime 299 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,600 soon. But I, I, I think you're right. 300 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,960 I think the, the, the Indian American circums, they just got, 301 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,120 they just caught a stray because you know the, and, but, but, but 302 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,240 you know, because there's a lot of lot of, there's a lot of 303 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,320 react, there's a big reaction against the H1B visa, right? 304 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,640 That's when they, they bring in a lot of tech workers. 305 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,280 But in a way, I work in the IT industry, right? 306 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,640 So I know how H1B visa work. Lot of time they brought in the, 307 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,760 the, the, those are not genius visa. 308 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Let me put it that way. There's those are not GH1B is 309 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 not genius visa. I work with those people. 310 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,560 They're brought in because of tech companies. 311 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,880 They want cheap labour. They, there's United States is 312 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,400 not producing enough computer programmers, just not graduating 313 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,480 enough STEM graduates. And, and one of the reason they 314 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,080 don't get enough STEM graduates is because they're not paying 315 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,880 them enough. No, you, you, you can make more 316 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,840 money if you just go to the Wall Street, You know, you make the 317 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,640 bank. So all the smart cookies, the, 318 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,600 the, the choice, you know, the people, the people that can 319 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,760 actually do the math. It's so easy. 320 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,960 They just go to Wall Street. Why, Why do they want to have to 321 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,920 be a cranking, cranking the cold, be a cold monkey. 322 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,200 So, so the tech for the tech giants, it's easy. 323 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,600 Let's just bring in a lot of the Indian coders, you know, on H1B 324 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,360 visa because we don't want to pay our engineers, software 325 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:10,800 engineers more money. This way we can keep the wages 326 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,400 low. And, and, and This is why, you 327 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,040 know, a lot, lot of Silicon Valley tech Bros, they're very 328 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,160 much in favour of H1B visa to, to continue to, to bring in and 329 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,440 it's, it's to depress wage. This is the this is the idea of 330 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,400 a lot of why you know the 1%. That are pro immigration right? 331 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,440 It's suppressing the wage policy. 332 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,480 Call. Yeah, it's policy. 333 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:43,080 I think the fundamental problem germ is there's a fundamental 334 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,560 disconnect between the 1% and the rest because the, the, the, 335 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,600 the, the 1% in United States, they're not working. 336 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,880 They're they're not working. Oh, let's, let's work for the 337 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,680 greatness of America. Let's make America great again. 338 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,280 No, they're, they're trying to make their wallet fatter again, 339 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,760 you know, even fatter. And that's a problem. 340 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,200 They treat Americans, their fellow American citizen, the 341 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,880 same way they treat people from the certain world countries. 342 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,960 They're all peons to them, right? 343 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,040 Everybody is a peons to, to collect rent from, to, to 344 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,640 squeeze money from. And and that's a problem. 345 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,720 There's no, this results in breakdown of, of social 346 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,760 solidarity, right? I mean, if you go in United 347 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,960 States as well as in, in Europe, nobody believe those the leaders 348 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,760 are working for the common man. Nobody believes that. 349 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,640 And, and, and, and for, for EU, those guys are not even elected. 350 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,400 I mean, Wanderling was elected by what, like 40 people, 40 MPs? 351 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,080 What is that? But, but these guys are making 352 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,520 the political decisions that that influence all lives of 353 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,160 Europeans. Why? 354 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,880 Doesn't doesn't matter if your country doesn't manufacture a 355 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,680 lot. Ultimately you can't be a Jack 356 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,880 of all trades. Well. 357 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:03,720 What you're saying germs you're, you're talking about Adam Smith, 358 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,960 right? The, the comparative advantages 359 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,720 and, and, and but, but our current leadership, they don't 360 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,520 believe that anymore. Nobody has they stopped talking 361 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,640 about free market a long time ago. 362 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,880 And, and now, now they're talking, talking about trade 363 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,320 barriers and bring, bring manufacturing back home. 364 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,760 I mean, I mean, I, I can understand there's a, there's a 365 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,520 certain, there's a lot of appeal to that, you know, like, because 366 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,560 United States has been shedding tonnes of manufacturing jobs 367 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,600 since 1970s. US have been off sourcing to 368 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,680 mostly East Asia for the last 40 years. 369 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,560 And as a result, a lot of manufacturing job which 370 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,560 previously were staffed by college graduate man with 371 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,760 college with no, not college graduate, sorry, man with only 372 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,520 high school education, you know, they could get a decent pain 373 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,480 manufacturing wage job. But now nowadays you have to be 374 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,240 a college educated to kind of even have a chance to make into 375 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,840 the middle class. And that leave a lot of people 376 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,560 behind, right? Those are the people who felt 377 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,320 left behind by globalisation, right? 378 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,800 Well, unlike you germs, you know you are, you are, you are, you 379 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,640 are doing well. You know you're making the bank. 380 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,880 You're the 1% Jeremy, you're you're the benefit. 381 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,280 The. The the war is going, is 382 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,360 happening between America and China, and meanwhile nobody even 383 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:32,480 cares. In fact, the world cares so 384 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,040 little about South Africa that we had to name our country, the 385 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,600 physical geographical location of it, South Africa, just in 386 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,840 case you didn't know where we were. 387 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,280 How many countries? How many countries have that? 388 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,920 Yes, it's a big country. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to 389 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,640 Africa for a safari. Do you do you know, Mike? 390 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,160 A lot of this also seems to be in, in my view, a result of 391 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:17,320 highly developed countries. Yeah, yeah, I, I think I don't, 392 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:23,240 I, I think in the energy sector, I think we are doing OK. 393 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,120 I mean, there's still a lot of like United States, for example, 394 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:31,160 is full of cheap natural gas and, and oil. 395 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,520 And, and This is why Trump is actually going in a big way in, 396 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,040 in oil. We're asking other countries 397 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:44,680 like China, they're developing solar, wind, nuclear, all these 398 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:51,400 other source of energy. So I think energy wise, I think 399 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,360 I think we're going to be okay, especially unless. 400 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,240 You mentioned Venezuela, which has I think one of the largest 401 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,720 oil reserves and you spoke about that also recently. 402 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,120 Well, the, the problem with having the world's largest oil 403 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,160 reserve is gonna, you're gonna attract the tension of United 404 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,120 States because they're gonna start bringing democracy to your 405 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:16,560 country when they smell oil. And that's, that's exactly 406 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,200 what's happening right now when the US is about to send 4000 407 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,480 troops to Venezuela. I don't know what they're gonna 408 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,520 do with 4000 troops, to be honest. 409 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,800 I, I, I, I that's just sounds like the base of Bay of Pigs 410 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,200 invasion, but on a slightly larger scale. 411 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,800 I mean, you're, I don't, you're not going to be able to take 412 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,720 over the country, which is 4000 troops. 413 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,400 So I don't, I don't exactly know what the intended effect of that 414 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,560 is. Maybe Trump is just like trying 415 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,280 to bluff, but I don't know. Who knows? 416 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,520 Did you see Putin when he was in the States recently? 417 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,960 He went and gave. We put down flowers on the 418 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,880 graves of former Soviet soldiers. 419 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,120 Yeah, I mean, this, that was a big win for Putin going to 420 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:03,440 Alaska. You know, a lot of people 421 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,240 saying, oh, why, why is Putin taking a great personal risk, 422 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,160 you know, go, go to United States could be a trap. 423 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,000 He could be detained. No, no, like he, he put know 424 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,480 what he's doing by going to United States, the country that 425 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,320 was main backer of the ICC warrant that was out for Putin 426 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,880 and, and being received by Trump and, and got wrote in the beast 427 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,960 with, you know, he wrote the beast the armoured car and that 428 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,760 actually lent a lot of legitimacy to Putin as a world 429 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,000 leader. Look, he's he's like the ICC 430 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,680 warrant is a joke. Even United States, the country 431 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,960 that pushed for it, is now treating it as a joke and 432 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,520 they're receiving him as the world leader that he is. 433 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,400 So, so and that This is why, you know, his is a Russian foreign 434 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,760 minister. Lavrov showed up with a USSRT 435 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,080 shirt casually strolling into Alaska. 436 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,240 And so, so, so this is a big win for Russia. 437 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,760 They they, they show that, you know, they are still world power 438 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,920 to be reckoned with, but I don't know. 439 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,240 We all know that's not true, Carl, Because because Trump made 440 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,680 sure that Putin drove past all the big jets. 441 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:20,880 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. There were like a couple F22's 442 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,840 that flew over. I mean, come on. 443 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,480 But by the way, the reception for Trump, that was just pretty 444 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,600 sad because they have the usually a world leader comes to 445 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,600 your town. You have this whole honour guard 446 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,240 right? And, and, and, and, and for 447 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,560 inspection. And then, then you see the 448 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,840 picture and the videos of, of, of, of Putin walks down the, 449 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,400 the, the red carpet and they have just bunch of like, like 450 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,400 AUS servicemen who showing up like they were forced to, you 451 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,600 know, work on Saturdays. It's like, it's, it's very sad. 452 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,840 I mean, like, there's a reason nations have honour guard. 453 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,320 It's, it's to, to, to like in a show respect both to your guests 454 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,640 and to put the best foot forward for yourself, to present your, 455 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,200 put your own nation in a good positive light. 456 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:15,040 But what instead, you know, the whole Alaska meeting, it was I 457 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,640 think because it was a last minute thing, like because they, 458 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,400 they couldn't find enough hotel room for the Russian journalist. 459 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,880 So they have to host him in a stadium and with dividers like a 460 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,400 like an emergency hospital ward for the Russian journalist to 461 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,040 sleep in. Because apparently it was 462 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,720 efficiencies in the Alaska. So all the hotels were already 463 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,760 booked. So that tells me this meeting 464 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,960 was a very last minute thing, right? 465 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,880 And like This is why everything is so haphazard. 466 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,680 And I think this is Trump is looking for some kind of win by 467 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,920 hosting Putin by showing, hey, like all the Russia gate to get 468 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,920 Putin saying that Russia gate that's a hoax. 469 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720 You know, that Russia did not interfere in the election. 470 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,800 That was all Democrats making it up. 471 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,880 But overall, I think Putin came out the bigger winner. 472 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,560 You know, he but but because for Trump, there's really no big 473 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,720 deal broke ground breaking deal that he could show and say, all 474 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360 right, give me give me a Nobel Peace Prize now, folks. 475 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,000 You know, I deserve a Nobel Peace Prize. 476 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,360 I think, I think that's what Trump is really after. 477 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,000 Does Trump ever come out as a winner? 478 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,160 Why? If you, if you listen to the, if 479 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,800 you listen to the White House press release, Trump always win, 480 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,920 man. So much winning. 481 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,680 So much winning. He's like that. 482 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,160 He's like that dude in in a school playground who's got the 483 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,800 loudest voice and he's shouting at everybody, telling everybody 484 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,560 how great he is. He types everything or writes 485 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:51,040 everything in uppercase letters. And Putin's, Putin's that that 486 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,640 that little quiet nerd sitting in the corner playing chess. 487 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,720 Yeah, but except he he's also like a judo captain. 488 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,280 Then he can actually kick your ass. 489 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,120 And that's the difference. He's not just like a nerd who 490 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,160 play chess. He can also kick your ass. 491 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,880 But Trump, but see Trump, Trump is loud, loudmouth because 492 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,440 that's how what it takes to succeed in American politics. 493 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,560 In America, you have to be a loudmouth, a very confident 494 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,800 loudmouth to, you know, get ahead. 495 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,000 You know, like you can't be a nerd from a chess club to be 496 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,720 elected to president of the United States. 497 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,000 That's just that won't happen. I mean, Trump recently, you 498 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,600 know, said, oh, you know, like there was because because Trump 499 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,360 was putting the squeeze on India. 500 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,480 So there is a warming of ties between US and Pakistan. 501 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,600 And Trump was saying, oh, it's Pakistan is so great. 502 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,240 We're going to go there and we're going to get all the 503 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,400 minerals. We're they have oil and we're 504 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,760 going to get their oil. And people are people in 505 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,720 Pakistan is like, what? When did we discover oil? 506 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,640 He'd probably think, OK, Pakistan is a Muslim nation. 507 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,600 You know, it's kind of close to Middle East. 508 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,920 It must be oil rich too. But you know, that's just Trump. 509 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:11,680 He's he's he's great. He's a great Trump is great for 510 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,640 television, man. He's great for television. 511 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,400 Like the the real question is how the United States ended up 512 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280 with a reality TV host as a president. 513 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,160 That's that's a real question. But Trump is undoubtedly ATV 514 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,760 star. You know, he is, he has a great 515 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,720 presence. Yeah. 516 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,680 I, I, I don't think, I don't even think that the Pentagon. 517 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,720 Is about war, shall we say, other than the bankers. 518 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,400 Right. I, I don't, I don't even think 519 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,240 the bankers want a war. I, I think what everything, it's 520 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,360 very easy to understand. Everything is easy to understand 521 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,240 if you just understand the whole government in the West, but 522 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,400 particularly in the US, is set up as a grift, right? 523 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,640 Like, like, like Julian Assange said, He said US and NATO is not 524 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,040 in Afghanistan to win the war in Afghanistan. 525 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,120 The whole point of Afghanistan in Iraq is to wash money from 526 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,440 the vast taxpayer bases of Europe and America into the 527 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,000 pockets of a few selected transnational security elite. 528 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,120 That's all it is. It's all about grift. 529 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,800 And so I, I don't think that because, because a World War 530 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,400 three that could lead to a nuclear exchange, that could be 531 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,440 the end of the civilization, right? 532 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,160 Nobody wants that. But I, I do think that the, the 533 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,360 purpose is to maintain tension. You know, there's a term for it 534 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,760 called strategy of tension to maintain tension so they can 535 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,480 continuously to fund money towards the military industrial 536 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,680 complex. This is why the US official 537 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,600 Pentagon budget is over a trillion dollars right now and 538 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,720 Trump administration is demanding European countries to 539 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,240 put put up 5% of their GDP into defence spending. 540 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,880 I mean that's great, great 5% of your GDP toward defence 541 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,640 spending. That's a war level of military 542 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,440 spending like Russia. Even Russia is now is a missile 543 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,720 war is spent about 7%, but but officially EU is not at war with 544 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160 anybody. And even even United States only 545 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,320 spend officially only spend about 4% of GDP on defence. 546 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,680 So, so yeah, I, I, I don't think there's going to be a, a, a, a 547 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,400 war. I I I don't think the danger, 548 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,240 the real danger is it accidentally gets started. 549 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,240 I don't think it's anybodies plan to start a World War three. 550 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,240 But the danger is it's an accident, right? 551 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,160 Because like World War One, nobody expected, you know, World 552 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,880 War wanted to go off the way it did. 553 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,520 But that that's, that's, that's, that's a danger. 554 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,840 Like there could be some accident in South China Sea 555 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,880 somewhere in the, in the Red Sea, Gulf of Oman. 556 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,480 And then certainly it get bigger than than you should be going. 557 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,960 Back to what you were saying, it's not as though China has got 558 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,680 military bases all around the world. 559 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,320 And, you know, thankfully, the United States has no military 560 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:11,840 bases anywhere around the world. Yeah, but I mean that that's all 561 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,719 part of the grift germs. That's, you know, those, those 562 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,400 military bases, that's a lot of fat contract for the military 563 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,159 contractors, you know, like Halliburton, they made a lot of 564 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,159 money during through the whole, the whole Iraq debacle. 565 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,280 They they, they if you, if you look at the defence contractors 566 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,480 stocks, they have been they have been going through the roof 567 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,120 since, you know, the Great War on Terror. 568 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,560 But but you know, like the, the, the and not the same can be said 569 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,280 by the general economy. But you know, those defence 570 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,440 money, the defence companies that been eating, they've been 571 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,440 eating well. Right now we can see that the 572 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:57,480 Eastern Bloc internationally is becoming the next powerhouse and 573 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:06,200 it's very obvious that the West, NATO, Trump, MI6CIA, UK, Western 574 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,960 Europe, they don't like this. The irony is that they actually 575 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,520 don't make up much of the world's population. 576 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,400 That's right, That's right. I mean, but This is why I think 577 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,600 there's a fear among some western elite that the rest of 578 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,720 the world is going to out to get them right? 579 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,440 Because for, for so long, United States have what, like 5%, less 580 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,520 than 5% of the, the world population has dominated over 581 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,480 the globe for, you know, since World War 2. 582 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:42,960 And, but now there's a lot of fear about losing that, that top 583 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,560 spot and, and, and, and which I think it's unwarranted because 584 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,720 if you look at the example of UK, you know, people in UK did 585 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,360 pretty well after UK lost its empire. 586 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,360 And, and right now the US empire, it's not really serving 587 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,080 the average Joes in Michigan, you know, because, because if 588 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,280 anything, it's taking away the resources that's needed to be 589 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,760 ploughed into domestic infrastructure, education, 590 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,880 everything that needed to actually make America great 591 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,760 again. Instead, it's getting squandered 592 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,760 in endless wars over the globe. And then it's just making the, 593 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,280 all the defence contractors and the Washington lobbyists rich 594 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,640 and, and you know, that's it's not sustainable, whereas China, 595 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,360 China, China just investing in itself. 596 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480 You know, China hasn't fought a war in last 40 years. 597 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,000 You continue to invest their, their in their own education, 598 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,000 their own infrastructure And, and the, the track record speaks 599 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,240 well for itself. And, and, and I think what the, 600 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,600 the reason there's also a lot of anti China propaganda in the 601 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,400 West. I think it's because our ruling 602 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,400 class don't want people to look at China as an example. 603 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,240 It's like, see what happens when you don't waste trillions of 604 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,880 dollars in in wars abroad, when you actually invest your own 605 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,960 population. Like what, what could happen? 606 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:18,040 So This is why they must paint China as it's like dystopian 607 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,560 hell, you know, So, so don't think about like you think you 608 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,600 got it bad in US or Europe. No, no, no Chinese, they have a 609 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:24,640 way worse. So. 610 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,640 So don't think about it. It's still always blows my mind 611 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,760 though when people make that claim about China. 612 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,480 That is the sort of dystopian totalitarian hell. 613 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,480 They very quickly forget that here in South Africa we have on 614 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:46,480 average about, I think it is something like 20 to 30 murders 615 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,920 out of 100,000 and something around 50 rapes out of 100,000, 616 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,160 which is one of, I mean, those are two of the highest ratios in 617 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,280 the world. You know you are very likely to 618 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,040 to become a victim of crime no matter where you are in South 619 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,280 Africa at some point in your life, whereas you don't even 620 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,680 think about crime, you know, in countries like China or Japan. 621 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,400 Germs, germs. According to Jon Stewart. 622 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,840 That is the price of freedom, my man. 623 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,840 That's, that's the price you have to pay for your freedom. 624 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,440 I mean, that's that's what literally what Jon Stewart said 625 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,520 when Tucker Carlson went to Moscow and marvel at how clean 626 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,520 the street of Moscow is compared to New York City. 627 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,840 And Jon Stewart just says, well, that's the price of freedom. 628 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,040 And he said that ironically. It's like This is why you have 629 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,400 to accept shitty subways in New York City with rats everywhere 630 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,320 because that's the price of freedom germs. 631 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,200 Here in South Africa on car insurance, for example, on my 632 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,280 own car insurance, you you pay more if your car is not parked 633 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,920 inside the garage. Wow. 634 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,520 Well. Actually I I would like I wait 635 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,720 wait you pay more in other. Words. 636 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,360 Sorry, I beg your pardon. You paid less because they want 637 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,640 your car out of sight. OK. 638 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,680 So your car's likely your car's likely to get broken into if 639 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,560 it's in the driveway or in the street. 640 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,800 OK, so they don't want you to park in the driveway or in the 641 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,640 street? Yeah, they want you to park in 642 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,800 in the garage if you have a garage. 643 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,960 No, no, no. We we need that law in Bali, 644 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,320 man, there's so many cars parking on the street. 645 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,360 I can't barely squeeze by. We, we have to. 646 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:34,600 We need that laws by here. It's ridiculous how how people 647 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,360 are so myopic and it's because of propaganda. 648 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,240 They're indoctrinated and it doesn't matter what you say. 649 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:43,760 I've had these conversations over and over and over and it's 650 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,960 become almost like a comedy sketch now. 651 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,040 But you're not Chinese. Have you been to China? 652 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,560 No, but I want to go to China. OK. 653 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,760 I was in China. How long were you there? 654 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,480 I was there for 10 days. That's not long enough. 655 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,760 You need to. You need to live there. 656 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,000 OK, well, let me talk to somebody who lives there now. 657 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,960 You can't talk to somebody who lives there because they've been 658 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:06,120 watched by the CCP. Yeah, I mean, even I get that. 659 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:11,240 I mean, like, and then they're, they're like, oh, like they're 660 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:15,880 like trying to tell me they know more about me, about China, 661 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,240 because China does not have freedom access to free 662 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,000 information. I'm like, look, I, I live 663 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,520 outside the free fire, the great Firewall, man. 664 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,520 I have the same level of access to information as you do, except 665 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,480 I have also been inside China and I have lived there and I 666 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,920 have travelled through China. So, but you know, but it's hard 667 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,440 to change people's mind, right? It's hard to change people. 668 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,280 But that's why I encourage people to actually travel there 669 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,360 and see it for themselves, you know, seeing. 670 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,600 Doesn't matter. Travelling doesn't matter 671 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,760 because to be being something for 10 days, you still only see 672 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,000 what they want you to see. Yeah, it's. 673 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,200 It's a. It's a rather. 674 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,640 Believe the BBC. Well, I, you know, the, the 675 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,640 surprising thing about BBC is that I thought I was immune to 676 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,440 Western Corp corporate or her government propaganda in case of 677 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,080 BBC. But I was surprised when I 678 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,040 travelled to Moscow, I was surprised to see how colourful, 679 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,520 vibrant, beautiful Moscow is in the summer. 680 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,680 And I was taken back by that. It's like, why did I find that 681 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,600 surprising? And then I realised in the West, 682 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,040 all the image I see coming out of Russia is like grey, they're 683 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,600 always like a grey philtre applied to it. 684 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,680 Like the sky is always grey. Everything is has no colour, is 685 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,320 very drab and very depressing. And so it's, it's, it's a quite 686 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,160 shocking for me to actually been there and to see how vibrant 687 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,280 everything is in the summertime when the sun is out and people 688 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,520 are out there enjoying themselves. 689 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,280 Right, Because people are not well travelled, people are not, 690 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,720 you're not, they're not as worldly as you are germs. 691 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:02,720 They haven't, you know, there's only like 5%, there's only 5% of 692 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:06,000 the people in America that possess passport, they actually 693 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,720 have passport, you know, and the, the people that do have 694 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:12,120 passport, they travel the the most destination to travel is 695 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,920 just Canada and Mexico, right? They, they haven't even been 696 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,360 outside of a lot of them haven't been outside of the continent of 697 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,800 North America. So, yeah, I mean, the only thing 698 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,080 they, they they get is what their media fed them. 699 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,960 I was told by this by African, by a Somalian, he said. 700 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:36,800 Search Mogadishu into English into Google and then serve 701 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,920 search this I forgot what's it called the Mogadishu name in the 702 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,360 Somali language into Google and do a image search. 703 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,680 See what you happen and it's very striking. 704 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,480 If you put Mogadishu in Google and do image search, you just 705 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,480 see like, like warzone, right? And whereas you use the, the the 706 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,880 Somali term for Mogadishu in the same Google image search and 707 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,840 it's very nice. It's a it's a it's a wow. 708 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,200 It's a modern city. You can tell it's a modern city. 709 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,720 So I mean, it's it's it's kind of amazing that just the 710 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:15,160 language philtre that that was put on in the in the media. 711 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,440 But that do you think that is by design or by emergence? 712 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,440 I think it could be both, to be honest. 713 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,240 I mean like, because one, lot of the lot of the news they they 714 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,840 sell to capture eyeballs and also news tend to be 715 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,800 overwhelmingly negative anyway. You know that because that's to 716 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,960 to play on people's fear, right? The fear is one of the strongest 717 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,240 emotions and, and that's how they get you, you know, like the 718 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,320 to, to, to, to, to, to, to give you, to get a emotional response 719 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,160 out of you that, that make you may possibly want to click 720 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,360 right? So click bait. 721 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,760 So I, I think there's that part and then then there's, there's, 722 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,840 I think the, the, the media also selling to people what they want 723 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,400 to hear, right? They, they want people, let's 724 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,240 face it, People want to hear that other people are doing more 725 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:18,480 poorly than they are. And the media feeds into that. 726 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,360 And I think that's what's going on, remember? 727 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,920 When you and I were in Hong Kong, we went to a Japanese 728 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,800 restaurant and you weren't there. 729 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,120 But afterwards, I briefly went and spoke to the the head chef, 730 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,360 the Japanese chef who could barely speak English. 731 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,400 Now, what was so funny to me is, you know, we talk, we often talk 732 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,120 about stereotypes and how countries are are seen. 733 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,240 You know, you spoke about Mogadishu being a war zone. 734 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,600 And so South Africa is a crime capital. 735 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,840 And there are other things that I suppose that come to mind when 736 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,120 you when you say South Africa. But one of the things that 737 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,240 doesn't really often come to mind is bolt on, which is 738 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,480 effectively beef jerky. We call it bolt on. 739 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,120 It's the Afrikaans word. We don't say beef jerky, but it 740 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,880 in my view, it tastes way better than beef jerky. 741 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,840 It's thought the way that it's made anyway. 742 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,720 It's not exactly something you would think of when you say 743 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,480 South Africa. So when I was chatting to that 744 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,560 to that chef and you asked me where I was from, I said South 745 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,160 Africa. And the first thing you 746 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,000 responded with was Boltong. Boltong. 747 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,800 Wow, that's incredible. Wow. 748 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,360 Well. That's a little bit different. 749 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,600 That's his specialty, right? He's, he's a, he's a Top Chef. 750 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,840 That's yes, you know, he knows his food. 751 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,240 So he's, he's a very well educated chef. 752 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,280 I mean, I, I, I this when you told me about this, this is the 753 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,160 first time I heard about both. You know what? 754 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,320 I got to travel to South Africa. I got to take my own advice. 755 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,120 I want to, I want to go taste it for myself. 756 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,000 Come stay with. Me yeah, come stay with me. 757 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,520 Let's. Do it. 758 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,240 Let's do it. You will, you will love, you 759 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,920 will love Bolton. It is one of the best things you 760 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:56,880 can eat and and our wine, I would argue is often better than 761 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,840 French wine. But we never win those 762 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,200 competitions because I think it's all rigged in favour of the 763 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,800 French because they can't possibly lose anything to do 764 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,680 with wine. Yeah, Yeah, that's true. 765 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,880 I mean, I mean, it's it's, it's a branding, right? 766 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,440 This is in South Africa. They need a what you guys need, 767 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,280 you need Americans to do your PR because Americans are great at 768 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,280 marketing, right? But we're we're, we're great. 769 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,160 Marketing. No, no, no Chinese. 770 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,200 Shit at marketing and propaganda. 771 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,720 American Americans are best at marketing and propaganda. 772 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,200 So that's what you need. You need some American PR person 773 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,280 to do more PR for South Africa for. 774 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:37,920 The South. African. 775 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,760 Both of them, yeah, to prove. Your point? 776 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,280 Look at look at branding in America, like Apple, right? 777 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,720 It's just literally an icon. They don't even have the word 778 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:48,920 Apple on it, right. Chinese cars like GWM. 779 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,800 It just says GWM. Yeah, you wouldn't even know 780 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,680 what. GWM means right. 781 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,920 You wouldn't even know what the hell is the GWN or if you have. 782 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,360 All that's the word HAVAL or BYD. 783 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,840 It's the word sorry, the letters BYD, There's no, there's no 784 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,960 branding. Exactly. 785 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,680 Exactly. So they need to work on that 786 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,000 too. Yeah, yeah, they do. 787 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,720 They do. They should hire. 788 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,240 But Americans? Are the best, You're right. 789 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,080 They're the best in marketing, yes. 790 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,080 Yes, the Byds of the world, they should hire me. 791 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,040 I can, I can. I can inject some of this 792 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,800 American marketing for the American PR. 793 00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:31,760 I I just don't work my magic. Something that I noticed when I 794 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,320 was in the UAE and also in Hong Kong and I, I suspect this is 795 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:42,960 now very normal across Asia, is the the combination of electric 796 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,040 and ICE. It's not one or the other to buy 797 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,320 huge amount of electric cars, but also a huge amount of, of, 798 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,360 of diesel or petrol. I think that's very clever 799 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,880 because what I think a lot of Western manufacturers, car 800 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,760 manufacturers have done wrong in the last 10 years is just go 801 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,760 balls to the wall on electric. And, and I've, I think it's cost 802 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,880 them very dearly because not everybody wants electric, yeah. 803 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,160 And especially in places where you don't have charging 804 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:17,720 stations, right? I mean, like, why would China be 805 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:19,760 diplomatic? I mean, like a lot of people 806 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,960 don't. I mean, when they talk about 807 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,800 China, Chinese overcapacity, they always talk about Chinese 808 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,720 state subsidies. What they don't realise, there's 809 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,920 actually intense market competition within China. 810 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,640 All these Chinese automakers are competing with each other for 811 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,080 market share. That's why slap they slash 812 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,560 prices by a great deal. Like once those cars get 813 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,840 exported out of China, the price doubles. 814 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,360 In fact, the the the the Chinese car makers right now, they're 815 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,000 looking to expand their export markets because they they they 816 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,120 get more profit selling outside of China versus inside of China 817 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,880 because inside China they face too much competition from their 818 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:04,640 fellow Chinese car makers. And in a wonderful horseshoe, 819 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,400 back to the beginning of the conversation. 820 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,200 God bless Trump because his tariffs have now encouraged us 821 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,080 to buy to buy Asian, Asian products. 822 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,000 Chinese cars are are taking the market by Stormia. 823 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,760 I'm telling you, germs, Trump is my president. 824 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,640 He's my president for acceleration. 825 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,240 ISM I, I love him. I love him. 826 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,160 I wish he'd be like the God Emperor for life. 827 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,520 What do you think of that comment? 828 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,640 That I think it's Alex Craner and what many others have made, 829 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,360 that Trump actually favours multipolarity and is 830 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,920 deliberately trying to create competing currencies. 831 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,960 I, I don't know, I think for Trump, he's very transactional, 832 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,360 right? Like to subscribe him to some 833 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,760 kind of grand strategy. I think that's a little far 834 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,480 fetched. I think Trump, Trump for for 835 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,120 Trump, everything is transactional. 836 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,520 Like he's he's he's doing stuff like he's telling NVIDIA, OK, 837 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,560 we'll allow you to sell this watered down AI chips age 22 838 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,280 China, but you have to pay me 15% of your revenue. 839 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,880 And so he just collecting toes from everybody. 840 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,360 And that's that's what the whole tariff is about, right. 841 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,960 The tariff is, is, it's not being paid by foreign countries. 842 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,320 They're being paid by American importers and, and then it's get 843 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,880 passed out to American consumers. 844 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,280 So in effect, a tariff is a tax, but it's disguised as tariff. 845 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,400 So people don't realise it's a tax. 846 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,760 But, but, but that's all it is. It's, it's about collecting 847 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,320 toes, collecting rent from the, from the rest of the population. 848 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,200 So I, I, I, I don't, I don't, I, I doubt, you know, I have my 849 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,800 doubts whether Trump have some like any more grander vision 850 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,760 than that than just collecting money. 851 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,320 For now, call. How can I follow you? 852 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,240 Oh yeah, I'm a prolific ship poster on on X. 853 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,640 Like if you haven't got enough of my ship posting right now, 854 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,360 you can you can get more if I follow my handle, just Carl Zah. 855 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,920 That's my X handle. And I have my own YouTube 856 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,040 channel, Carl Zah again and or you can find me on Patreon where 857 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,680 I do the Silk and Steel podcast, which focus on everything China 858 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,120 history, culture and politics. And I do a chronological 859 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,920 retelling of the Chinese history from the very beginning. 860 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,520 Right now I'm up to like 310 BC. So I still have a long way to 861 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,040 go. And feel free to check it out. 862 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:40,120 Support, support me, Support my surfing habits in Bali so I can 863 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,160 live like a degenerate surfer that I am. 864 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,320 All right, Carl, thanks for joining me in The Avengers.