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What is the sociable? 
The Sociable is a website, well,

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it's a it's a news portal, news 
blog that I actually started 

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working on in 10 days or on 
October 30th, it'll be 10 years 

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that I've been running that site
and it's. 

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That's pretty good. 
Started off writing about AI and

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the Epic of Gilgamesh and 
Humanities quest for digital 

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digital immortality. 
But no, it's a it's a place 

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where try to track tech and how 
it affects society. 

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And so I look into what defense 
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government stuff, intelligence 
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some of the tech, how that gets 
transferred over to big tech and

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vice versa. 
And then going into what kind of

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legislation goes about. 
And then also a lot of stuff on 

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policy. 
So policies. 

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On. 
How tech is used and, and so 

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that's, that's a lot of either 
either from governments or from 

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NGOs, you know, and globalists 
and stuff that that's the kind 

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of area. 
How deep do you dive? 

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Do I do kind of medium dives 
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like a lot of Evergreen content,
although there's quite, there's 

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some of that, but it's kind of 
looking at the day-to-day stuff 

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or week to week stuff. 
And so once you know, you start 

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reporting on those enough, then 
you get a bigger sense of kind 

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of where something is moving in 
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And then I'll do a little bit of
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But it's nothing like, you know,
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reading time maybe is about the 
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writing thing. 
But I try, you know? 

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I do direct sources and quotes 
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the receipts as well. 
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probably one of the biggest 
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think about it, because I mean, 
Technocracy, New World Order, 

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Build Back Better, what, The 
Great Reset, all of these terms 

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that generally mean the same 
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technology. 
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the Great Reset thing, that's 
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World Order thing. 
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goes, especially when you're 
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that's what's powering that. 
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sausage fingers Rex when he was 
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a Prince, they launched the 
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2020. 
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societal contracts and of the 
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But what's powering that is 
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industrial Revolution, which is 
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biological and physical 
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So that's what it's it's the 
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technologies, AI, virtual 
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the future, quantum computing, 
but also biological technologies

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and all that. 
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I mean, that's why you end up 
with sort of like like biometric

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recognition, facial recognition 
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It's the merger of of exactly 
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scientific talking points. 
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And it's, well, it's basically 
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the in the future. 
It's kind of like what it's 

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going towards. 
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got, you know, airports are 
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all over the world are, are 
getting advanced in this and 

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pushing through this agenda, 
this digital ID 1 biometric one 

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very in a very big way. 
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almost got locked down, you 
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you know, if you look at what 
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are, some people say it's on a 
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eventually that's not going to 
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It's, it's you, it's your face, 
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probe, it's a sensor, it's, it's
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Even in in the UK, they're 
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agency, which is modelled after 
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they're going after something to
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why. 
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UN in the Rockefeller Foundation
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and put a digital Ida nature ID 
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So I don't think nature has a 
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you know, a mobile device, but 
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digital public infrastructure to
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of all land and resources and 
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I often find myself having a bit
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these concepts because the way 
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show and and online and 
everything else is it's always 

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bad. 
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like being like a Luddite. 
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technological is bad. 
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set of tools which can be used 
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Yeah, I mean, you can use a 
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can bash someone's brains in 
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You know, depending how you use 
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seen these arguments as well. 
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a certain type of technology 
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or to spy or to manipulate. 
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to, at least for now, the people
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in charge. 
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So yeah, I mean, digital ID, 
digital identity systems can be 

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a godsend. 
They can make everything easier.

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And then they actually promise 
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And they probably will, but you 
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people, you know, in charge 
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I mean, in a future where 
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with the quantum computing or 
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kind of alien entity is entering
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there's actually any human 
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But for now it's that, yeah, 
it's, I don't want to be a 

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Luddite either. 
You know, I try to, I only got a

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mobile phone, what, 2 1/2 years 
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You know, I, I'm, I'm 40 now so 
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ago out of wanting to, you know,
for, for banking stuff and for 

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like doing bills and stuff like 
that because it's just, you 

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know, living out in middle of 
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of mountain. 
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yeah, but yeah, there's luckily,
I mean, you can still pay in 

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cash here, but it's not the 
greatest, you know, they still 

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have to go through the banking 
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your debit cards and what have 
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So yeah, I'm not allowed. 
I, I don't. 

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The digital ID thing, yeah, it's
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It's already here and a lot of 
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use it, but it's kind of like 
how you navigate through it 

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right now. 
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reporting on it like 5, about 
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Reset. 
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digital ID was your digital 
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you in the events of a great 
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And the, the image that I had 
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doll because I thought that was 
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Because whatever you prick over 
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you, you know, kind of like a 
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thing. 
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the coming vaccine passports as 
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But yeah, the technology itself 
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one of those. 
I used to be so gung ho and like

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reject this, don't you know? 
But the ways when it's getting 

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out, it's not like you signing 
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You know, this could be if you 
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can just like have the net app 
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something or whatever tech 
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or, you know, just if you go 
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paper card, maybe if they'll 
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it, or if not that just every 
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CCCCCTV cameras everywhere. 
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I mean, your eye, your palm, 
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I think that's one that I don't,
I know you would recently went 

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to China. 
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anything about gate gate 
recognition, but that's when I 

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read it. 
That was coming out there as 

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well. 
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technocratic, there's no doubt 
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I've never seen as many cameras.
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huge, huge, huge, huge there. 
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now about China, but I will say 
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I come from the African 
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So my default setting is, you 
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We have a very inept government 
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Every government in Africa is 
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So we don't have very effective 
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see cameras, a lot of them don't
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And when some of them do work, 
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enforcement. 
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setting is not to have mass 
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where I live as a result of 
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But, but I will say this, you do
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surveillance in China. 
It's in your face, you can't 

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miss it. 
They don't hide it, whereas in 

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the States and in the UK and 
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It's the Palantir type of 
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surveillance. 
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little bit more worrying. 
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that's in the just, you know, 
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fine print that you Click to 
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service, whatever. 
And you know, it's, yeah, you're

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right. 
It kind of flies a little bit 

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more under the radar, like, oh, 
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collect this technology about 
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We may share this or not. 
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Facebook, those articles by Ian 
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And yeah, that's true. 

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And yeah, so it's, but it's 
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you know, it's the little, the, 
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know, but I think people are 
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of it. 
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saying about Africa. 
I I spent six months in Ghana in

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Accra as a as an intern reporter
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there. 
I mean, we had rolling blackouts

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all the time. 
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sewage, no cameras anywhere. 
I didn't see like infrastructure

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just not there, you know, 
Internet going off and on like 

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crazy and you know, so basic 
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Not, not so much there here in 
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in the rural area, but if I go 
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there's cameras in every corner.
Most people who don't really pay

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attention to them and they're 
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Every time you go to a store, 
they ask like, Hey, do you want 

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to share your ID with us and so 
we can give you better deals and

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stuff. 
And I mean, everyone here just 

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kind of goes along with it. 
Not me, you know, for that 

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matter. 
What do you think is the hill to

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die on at the moment? 
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was the vaccine passport thing, 
even though that is a digital 

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ID, but also involved getting, 
you know, putting something in 

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your body. 
You know, I wasn't going to do 

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that. 
That was the one to die on for 

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me, the hill to die on for me, 
this digital ID 1. 

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You know, like how how invasive 
and how just getting away from 

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that concept of being a thing on
a smartphone, you know, that's 

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that's a temporary thing, you 
know, but it's going to again, 

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going through all those 
different kinds of sensor 

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systems, sensing systems. 
So it's, you know, avoid it as 

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best I can. 
But you know, it's really good 

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question because you know, the 
end game stuff and trying to see

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the, the end picture, you know, 
I, I do see it as one of pillow 

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control, but it's, is it 
something that's like, oh, no, 

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I'm opting out. 
Well, if you don't, if there's 

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no opting out because it's 
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just whatever sees you. 
So I mean, yeah, I don't know, 

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it's a tough one. 
So he'll dine. 

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He'll dine. 
Was the vaccine that was putting

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something in my body changing, 
changing something about that. 

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But for for right now, I'm 
monitoring it and navigating it 

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day by day, you know, and seeing
what comes up. 

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I agree with you. 
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important than than something 
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they're, they're kind of more 
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being injected with something. 
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didn't have a single PCR test. 
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wanted to see family and stuff. 
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one point, they, they turned 
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Christmas one year. 
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leave the country and, you know,
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family. 
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had a nephew who, who was, had 
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weeks after that one. 
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didn't do that. 
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I stayed here and missed out on 
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That was a sacrifice that I, 
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some kind of tech, other kind of
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out, would you I'm. 
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going back then, I mean, would I
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back there with the knowledge I 
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there? 
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knowing what you know now. 
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stuff that I've learned now, it 
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I saw that digital idea was 
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I saw these vaccine passports 
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came out. 
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foresight, you know, if you 
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the, you can forecast a bit into
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what's going to happen. 
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just right then and there to not
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because, you know, when the 
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of 2020, like right on the Ides 
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months or so to really kind of 
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I was like, OK. 
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such a weird thing. 
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right, who's who's making these 
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Who's pulling the strings here, 
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I was really skeptical, but for 
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who wrote in his one of his 
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who wrote about Black Swan 
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Can't remember now. 
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COVID very, very wrong. 
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his work about risk analysis and
2020 was a major, major turning 

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point in human history, right? 
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think the world has been locked 
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I think in World War 2, maybe 
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And I mean, come on, we know 
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Tim. 
I mean, we can't be conspiracy 

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theorists here. 
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used all the same language also,
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many levels. 
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what happened. 
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COVID event was bigger than 911?
They're both they're moving the 

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needle or pushing society in a 
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So yeah, 911 was huge. 
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I was still in high school when 

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when 911 happened. 
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that, we got the Patriot Act and
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Homeland Security, like all this
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weeks after. 
So that was already the the plan

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was already in place to bring in
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surveillance, but they just 
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Same thing with COVID, you know,
just doing the same thing 20 

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years or 19 years later, both 
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reauthorizing emergency, you 
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Act. 
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something you keep, keep 
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away, you know, so and, and so 
which one was, I mean, they were

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both huge. 
Nothing is I mean that we want 

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and they both launched the what 
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enemy, the War on Terror, you 
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You know which what, what built 
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the US government, maybe in a 
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it's it's, it's insane. 
Can you remember what you're 

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doing, by the way, on 1911? 
Oh, of course I was. 

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I was at open gym and doing 
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school started. 
I used to play captain of my 

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basketball team. 
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out of open gym and I'll sweat 
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my coach just yelled out they're
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pretty crazy. 
Anyway, I just thought he was 

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saying, spouting some weird 
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But now we were all glued to our
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couple of days. 
Nobody taught anything. 

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We were just glued to our the 
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Yeah, yeah, I remember it also. 
I was at my, I was visiting my 

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girlfriend at the time and I 
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watching MTV or something and 
her brother came running in 

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shouting America's under attack,
World War 3 is beginning. 

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Those were the days when I still
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Yeah, I didn't even watch. 
I mean, it was on. 

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I mean, it was on every channel 
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like wanting to watch ESPN. 
I was trying to watch Sports 

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Center and. 
But no, they're showing that 

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too. 
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I mean, I feel like an idiot in 
hindsight because I didn't catch

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on to any of this stuff. 
I thought. 

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I thought the official story was
what happened for years and 

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years and years and years. 
I mean, even when it first 

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happened, I went out and got a 
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it on the antenna of my car and 
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patriotic and stuff like that, 
you know, not not knowing 

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anything about it. 
Just because, you know, I'm a 

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teenager with my world was high 
school and in sports, that was 

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it. 
When did you start getting your 

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sort of Damascus moments? 
Actually it was like around 

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20/11/2012 and that's when I 
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I started seeing on YouTube the 
stuff of Bill Cooper and David 

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Icke and those. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, it was like in 2012, I'm
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And then, you know, from there, 
I kind of, I think what happens 

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maybe with people who first get 
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I don't want to say awakened, 
but all of a sudden, like they 

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realized that one thing wasn't 
really true. 

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And then you always start 
listening to this one person or 

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another and they start digging 
and going down the rabbit holes.

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Then you're like, nothing is 
true. 

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This is all like anything else 
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No, that's because of this. 
That's because so I think people

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kind of lose their minds for a 
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I don't know if Candace Owens is
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like she just kind of starting 
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this isn't right, Then this 
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And then it goes full on 
meltdown and about everything. 

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But yeah, but but I think that's
AI think that's a natural 

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process of like almost like a 
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like, well, if this isn't true, 
nothing's true. 

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But it's a little bit more 
nuanced than that. 

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It definitely is more nuanced 
than that. 

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I think you're right. 
I mean, we're talking about 

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complex systems. 
Yeah, definitely. 

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So. 
So with the 9/11 stuff, yeah, I 

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want us to Start learning about,
well, even then in 2003 when the

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US went to war with Iraq, I was 
like, what did that have to do 

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with Afghanistan and 9:11 and 
then looking at, you know, in 

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the Taliban and Al Qaeda and 
stuff like that. 

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But then it's like, well, no, 
the people were from Saudi 

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Arabia and where was, where was 
bin Laden allegedly found in 

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Pakistan? 
And so I'm like, and then 

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there's also the whole thing 
about Israel dancing Israelis. 

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So like, and then, you know, 
celebrating right on 9/11. 

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So I'm looking at Israel and 
then and they found their, you 

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know, the, the, the, the, the 
hijackers passports in, in a 

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twisted bubble, all, all, you 
know, good. 

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So these complex things, it's 
the more information that comes 

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in. 
And that's our thing too. 

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You know, we got the Internet 
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social media, they came Internet
got more users, you know, more, 

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more people online sharing 
information and stuff like that.

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So before, you know, you say you
used to watch CNN because, yeah,

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I mean, there wasn't really much
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CompuServe or AOL kind of stuff,
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What do you make of AII I I'm in
two minds. 

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I don't think it will ever take 
over because I don't think it 

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has a will or a desire. 
But I think it's highly advanced

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algorithms that can be used for 
very nefarious for very 

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nefarious purposes. 
Yeah, I mean, because it can. 

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It's really good at, you know, 
handling just a shit ton of data

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and processing it and trying to 
make some sense out of, you 

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know, spitting out whatever 
results it does. 

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And that can seem, you know, 
right now it's, it's it's, you 

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know, generative AI is really 
shit at getting, well, they do 

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is like go to Reddit or 
Wikipedia or whatever, you know,

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so it's not going to get to 
that. 

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But yeah, as it keeps advancing,
you know, whatever. 

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And, you know, people look into 
it like as maybe some kind of 

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form of government, others look 
at some kind of form of 

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religion. 
But the answer is as the, as the

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more data gets collected and the
more it processes it, it's going

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to be, you know, it's beyond our
comprehension. 

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So whatever like result it turns
spits out, it could seem totally

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alien to us, you know, and, and 
like, if we surrender our 

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decision making to it, that's 
when we got really big problems.

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We do a lot anyway, you know, 
even just the search engine, 

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like we don't memorize stuff 
anymore. 

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We don't really kind of go go 
into physical books, which like,

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if you want to know something 
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And so we've lost, you know, 
just like we don't really know 

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people's phone numbers anymore. 
We don't have those memorized, 

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you know, so we just said, oh, I
got to go look it up. 

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But what, you know, with AI and,
you know, being so reliant on 

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technology, then, you know, what
happens if the signal stops? 

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You know, what happens if you're
not be able to do that? 

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You know, our, our knowledge 
base now is not just, you know, 

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written in stone like it used to
be. 

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It's not in these papyrus papyri
in the desert where it can be 

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preserved. 
It's in the cloud, it's in 

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00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,720
screens and stuff like that. 
So if you so, you know, if 

441
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,040
there's any kind of cyber 
warfare that goes on or if 

442
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,120
there's some kind of natural 
disaster of, you know, something

443
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:53,400
that messes with all these 
systems, we're going to be kind 

444
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,360
of stupid. 
You know we're going to. 

445
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,000
Yeah, Tim, if, if there are so 
many psyops going on and so many

446
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,200
distractions going on, where 
should we be looking? 

447
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,320
Well, the old philosophy is look
within. 

448
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:14,200
No, The thing is, you got to I, 
so I, yeah, I look at and follow

449
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,560
tons of sources, you know, even 
the ones don't agree with or 

450
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,120
disagree or even one that seems 
so fantasy fantastical that I 

451
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,760
don't know. 
But The thing is getting 

452
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,560
information from everywhere you 
can and then applying your own 

453
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,880
discernment, your own judgement,
your own, you know, so I 

454
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,880
wouldn't say, you know, like 
follow or worship anybody. 

455
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,000
You know, like you can have like
people you look to as trusted 

456
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,880
sources, but always question, 
you know, like look at, you 

457
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,720
know, when they're saying 
something like do they provide 

458
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,560
evidence? 
They back it up and you look at 

459
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,920
that. 
And then even if they are 

460
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,360
providing evidence and have the 
sources, do you come to the same

461
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:53,000
conclusion or not, You know, 
based on everything else that 

462
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,800
you know about and just based on
your own real life experiences. 

463
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,400
What did Gandhi say? 
That you must be the the light 

464
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,000
you wish to see in the world or 
the change you you must be the 

465
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,400
change you wish to see in the 
world, which can be used for 

466
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,000
good or I'll. 
Yeah. 

467
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,760
So I mean, what? 
And for, I mean, for some 

468
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,800
people, I mean, there are 
psychopaths out there, There's 

469
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,480
narcissists and the ones who 
want to start within, if they 

470
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,480
actually could, are able to 
start within. 

471
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,240
But what they're going to 
project onto the world is 

472
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,600
something truly horrible. 
But no, for, for people with the

473
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,480
consciousness and empathy and, 
and normalcy and, and, and a 

474
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,920
decent idea of logic or even the
abstract. 

475
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,680
It's good to, to do that because
in little ways, you know, I'm, 

476
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,680
I'm a relatively small account, 
you know, on social media, it's 

477
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,160
starting to grow a little bit, 
but there's been so many times 

478
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,720
where I, it's like planting 
seeds, you know, like I'll put 

479
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,280
out something and it like, it 
doesn't get any traction 

480
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,840
forever. 
And then like a year later, then

481
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,400
someone else shares this little 
bit and then it goes big and 

482
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,120
then gets shared. 
It gets filtered through lots of

483
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:57,760
different accounts and never 
goes back to me. 

484
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,440
Well, not, not never sometimes, 
but in a way it's like I, I can 

485
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,160
see that influence playing out. 
I can see that what my words 

486
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,480
just, you know, like just the 
other day on Sky News Australia,

487
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,280
I saw they, they quoted from one
of my articles just on air. 

488
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,080
So it's like, oh, these little 
seeds, you know, if you plant 

489
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,080
out there and this comes from 
within, this is like your own 

490
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,200
doing the research and coming to
your conclusions and doing it 

491
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,040
all in good faith, and that's 
from within. 

492
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,320
One of my rules of thumb when it
comes to following media sources

493
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:35,360
is generally to have more faith 
in the media sources like the 

494
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:39,600
sociable, for example, because 
you're a smaller outfit and what

495
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,320
that means is that you've got 
more skin in the game. 

496
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,080
You know you've got more to lose
if you get it wrong. 

497
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,880
If CNN or Fox gets it wrong, 
nothing really happens. 

498
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,040
Yeah, especially early on in the
pandemic when when I was going 

499
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,840
on about all this Great Reset 
stuff that that really put my, 

500
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,680
that's really put myself out 
there. 

501
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,960
I knew that, you know, I got so 
much. 

502
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,200
Actually, a lot of the 
condemnation came from a lot of 

503
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,960
people who are close to me, not 
really out there in the public 

504
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,280
sphere, but I got that as well. 
So yeah, just. 

505
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,640
And when it comes to bigger 
organizations, yeah, they they 

506
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,840
even if like the whatever big 
news is out there, it doesn't 

507
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,080
matter if it's true or not. 
Like a week later or something 

508
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,200
like that, they make a tiny 
retraction, but by then it's 

509
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,480
already spread and no one cares.
But I appreciate you saying that

510
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:36,200
about sociable and yeah, because
it's just, yeah, I'm not, 

511
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,360
there's no outside influences 
there. 

512
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,600
Like, like not, well, there's 
influences, of course, but 

513
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,280
there's not any incentive for me
to do this. 

514
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,640
I'm doing this out of because I 
really, I don't. 

515
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,520
Well, basically it comes down to
I just want to be left alone. 

516
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,960
You know, I don't want all this 
control. 

517
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,040
I don't want all the 
surveillance. 

518
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,160
I don't want what's coming, you 
know, all the stuff that's 

519
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,280
coming. 
And so I want to let people know

520
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800
about that and then have them 
come to their own conclusions. 

521
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,160
One of the big difficulties, 
though, is discerning which 

522
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,440
battles to fight, because some 
of these battles are really 

523
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,240
pointless. 
They're not worth fighting 

524
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,760
because you can't win them. 
You know, you want to fight the 

525
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,280
battles that you can win. 
And I sometimes wonder whether 

526
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,560
folks quote UN quote on our 
side, just stretch themselves 

527
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,720
too thin by fighting too many 
battles. 

528
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Yeah, because you got to pick, 
pick and choose which ones are 

529
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,880
the most important to you and 
and things. 

530
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,800
So, yeah, you know, when it 
comes to conflicts that are far 

531
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,840
away from me, like Ukraine, 
Russia, Palestine, Israel, I'm 

532
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,280
not really vocal about them. 
I have my opinion, of course, 

533
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,880
but that's not that's not my 
battle. 

534
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,320
You know, other people are doing
that. 

535
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,600
Other people are getting 
stretched than doing that, but 

536
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,880
that's not that's not mine. 
Yeah, I'm, I'm just because 

537
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,320
again, that's coming from 
something within. 

538
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,880
I just want to be left alone. 
I don't want this to this stuff 

539
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,080
happening to me. 
I want to let the world know 

540
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,800
what's going on here. 
And if you choose to pay 

541
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,440
attention to it, that's on you 
if you want to or not, if you 

542
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,800
want to pick it up, if you want 
to go to. 

543
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Yeah, everywhere in my stories, 
I put every single source so you

544
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400
can go look at that, you know, 
like every report. 

545
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,120
And that's another thing too. 
But when you talked earlier 

546
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:20,000
about which, you know, Media 
Trust, I really, I don't read 

547
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,760
newspapers. 
I haven't read newspaper. 

548
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Like it's only on occasion if 
something crosses and even if 

549
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,800
then if I'm going to report on 
it, I'll look at whatever the 

550
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,040
media report was and I go, OK, 
where are their sources in this 

551
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,560
story? 
And then I go directly to that 

552
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,760
source and then I go from there.
I, so I never on face value, I'd

553
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,440
never trust a media publication.
I'd say do the same for my own, 

554
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,320
you know, as an outsider. 
But even when I read more 

555
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,320
independent journalist stuff, 
you know, from time to time, you

556
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320
know, there's a circle of a few 
that I that I pay attention to, 

557
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,800
but I also look at their sources
as well to, you know, make sure 

558
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,600
they're not full of it and, you 
know, keep. 

559
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,800
So we're all still kept in 
check. 

560
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Yeah. 
But I mean, have you found that 

561
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,160
there is also a problem with the
alternative media space? 

562
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,160
Yeah, I don't know, because you 
also hear a lot about 

563
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,360
infiltration and subversion and 
maybe like some aren't. 

564
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,600
I mean, some are out there just 
get a buck and get the clicks, 

565
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320
and some are just completely not
even real. 

566
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:24,200
Like, you know, 2 two sources 
which get huge traction are in 

567
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,280
this category are the People's 
Voice TV and Slay News, which 

568
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,600
they've ripped off my stories. 
Yeah, Slay News is not real. 

569
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,000
Frank Bergman, the main writer, 
whatever they say, that's not a 

570
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,160
real person. 
They, what they do is like they 

571
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,760
take stories and then it's a 
little bit of truth, you know, 

572
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,320
you know, putting 11 truth and 
two lies or whatever together 

573
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,080
and totally distort and twist 
information and it gets them 

574
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,680
clicks. 
Like I was looking back at 

575
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,200
something just even a couple 
nights ago that some big, huge 

576
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,800
account was sharing of Oh yeah. 
It was about the, the World 

577
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Economic Forum publishing their 
blueprint for, you know, 

578
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,640
financializing, monetizing 
nature and stuff. 

579
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,200
And some other huge accounts got
that and it went viral. 

580
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,880
And I, this is one of the times 
I went to grok and I was like, 

581
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,720
so why did this one get all the 
traction? 

582
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,480
And, you know, I put that news 
out there, I put that out there 

583
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,240
a month before. 
And then it's like, well, this, 

584
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,720
this account uses sensationalist
framing and this is what our 

585
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,960
algorithms love. 
And so that's why it got 

586
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,880
disseminated. 
So there's people out, you know,

587
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,640
there's sources out there that 
are just all in it for that to 

588
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,920
monetize and to get big that 
way. 

589
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,520
I'm not like that. 
I actually prefer, I like flying

590
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,080
under the radar. 
You know, I don't know if I had 

591
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
a huge account if I don't know 
how I'd deal with all that extra

592
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,760
attention. 
But yeah. 

593
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,320
And then other ones, bigger 
ones, you know, like, like Alex 

594
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,400
Jones and stuff. 
Like, it's going back to what I 

595
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,680
said earlier about, you know, 
whether it's the most 

596
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,120
fantastical stuff to look at or,
or mundane, you know, you know, 

597
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,400
consume it all, but don't 
believe everything. 

598
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720
You know, It's like, because 
even even what Alex Jones is 

599
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,400
saying, there's some truths in 
there and there's some not so. 

600
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,120
So make up your mind. 
Yeah. 

601
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,800
I mean, and on that, something 
that really bugs me is the sort 

602
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,120
of doom scrolling mindset of so 
many people who claim to be 

603
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,800
pushing back and fighting the 
system etcetera, but all they do

604
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,880
all day long is share 
sensational stories, but they 

605
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,280
don't do anything. 
Have you noticed that? 

606
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,280
Oh, yeah, I try not to fall into
that category myself, you know, 

607
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,720
as especially as someone I used 
to be out in the field talking 

608
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,360
to people. 
You know, when I first started 

609
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320
out in journalism, when 
especially when I was in Ghana, 

610
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,680
I'd go to all the press 
conferences. 

611
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,320
I went to the former president's
house, John Koufour, you know, 

612
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,200
and with, with 20 Zongo chiefs 
talking about tribal land rights

613
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,280
and stuff. 
So I used to go to, you know, 

614
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,320
out there and, and here in 
Colombia in my earlier days, I 

615
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,560
was an editor at, in a reporter 
at Columbia Reports, which is in

616
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,160
English about news about 
Columbia. 

617
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,320
And I, you know, I went out on 
the streets and where people 

618
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,760
were marching to get hostages 
released from the, the FARC 

619
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,360
guerrilla group. 
So I used to be out there. 

620
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,120
So the doom scrolling stuff now,
Yeah, I sit behind a computer 

621
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,480
all the time. 
I'm not, you know, I'm, but I'm 

622
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,600
not, you know, the doom 
scrolling. 

623
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,639
I'm not trying to do this for 
attention. 

624
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,719
Well, the attention I do want to
get is not on me. 

625
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,639
It's on the information. 
And again, like I said before, 

626
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,679
even if it's just a little tiny 
seed, even if it's not 

627
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,280
recognized, you know, other 
bigger ones. 

628
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:30,960
Yeah, that's another love hate 
thing. 

629
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,960
So some of the more sensational 
people that doom scroll and put 

630
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,280
that out, some of that, it is 
information I've put out there 

631
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,480
as well. 
And so it comes back, at least 

632
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,360
it's out there that that's 
that's what I care about. 

633
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,440
Just get information out there. 
But I mean, what do you do with 

634
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,159
that information? 
I mean, isn't that the ultimate 

635
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,159
white pull? 
You know, you've got all this 

636
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:52,880
information. 
You've got to do something with 

637
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,639
it. 
Yeah, so my, well, what I do is 

638
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,600
just tell the world about it. 
That's a lot, you know, because 

639
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,960
I, I figure that there are 
people who are a lot smarter 

640
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,040
than me, you know, I'm because 
I'm not a solutions person. 

641
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,080
My solution is, well, I work 
under the, the, the, you know, 

642
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,760
the axiom or what the saying 
knowledge is power. 

643
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,200
And like you said, what do you 
do with that knowledge? 

644
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,560
Well, you can do whatever you 
want with it. 

645
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,840
It's your power to do with it. 
And So what I'm doing with 

646
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,320
knowledge is I, I, I'm talking 
to you and talking with you. 

647
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,960
And I write stories and I put 
stuff out on the Internet 

648
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,720
that's, you know, and when I go 
back and visit the States, I 

649
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,160
mean, if I try to talk about 
that stuff with people here in 

650
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,240
Colombia in Spanish, my 
vocabulary, vocabulary is a 

651
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,360
little bit limited when it comes
to technical stuff. 

652
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,200
But once I start talking about 
people are like, OK, that's 

653
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,600
fascinating. 
And then and then they're like, 

654
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,240
OK, what's the price of 
avocados? 

655
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,560
You know, so it's not like they 
don't really care that much 

656
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,000
here. 
But so yeah, the internet's the 

657
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,080
the forum to do it. 
By the way, you mentioned 

658
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,840
Colombia a few times. 
How is it living there? 

659
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,480
Oh, it's wonderful. 
I've been here 11 years. 

660
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,560
It's especially great out in the
countryside. 

661
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,720
You know, I lived in Medellin, 
the city, the big city there for

662
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,600
three years. 
But price of the price of living

663
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,080
and stuff that are relatively 
cheap, it's about four to five 

664
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,200
times cheaper than living in the
United States. 

665
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:17,840
No GMOs fresh. 
I mean, still after 11 years, 

666
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,680
I'm, I'm seeing like alien 
fruits that I've never heard of 

667
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,720
or tasted or tried before. 
So it's it's really great food. 

668
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,440
The infrastructure is pretty 
darn good. 

669
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,120
I mean, as long as you don't get
too far out into the, you know, 

670
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,440
jungle areas. 
We still got a lot of crime got 

671
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,800
a lot of the government is 
corrupt as hell. 

672
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,320
You still got narcos, you still 
got guerrilla groups. 

673
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,000
Yeah. 
And actually just I woke up to 

674
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,040
the news today that Trump cuts 
aid to Colombia because he said 

675
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,720
the president Gustavo Pedro here
is a is a drug dealer and stuff.

676
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,240
So, yeah, that's interesting. 
But here they only have 

677
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,200
elections every there's only one
term elections. 

678
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,560
Now that that I've been here 
long enough to know that. 

679
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,600
So 2 presidents ago, Santos won 
when? 

680
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,800
Well, Santos, he had two terms, 
but in his second term, he 

681
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,680
eliminated two term presidency. 
So the next guy, Yvonne Duque, 

682
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,120
he had five years. 
And now this guy, President 

683
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Pedro, he's going to, they've 
got elections, I think starting 

684
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,520
next May. 
So that's going to be 

685
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,520
interesting. 
But no, it's a, I've, I've seen 

686
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:34,040
violence, I've seen weird stuff.
But overall, it's it's, it's, 

687
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,080
it's a wonderful place to live 
for, for me. 

688
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,080
It sounds exactly like South 
Africa. 

689
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,160
You could be talking about my 
country. 

690
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,240
Yeah. 
I mean, you know, yeah. 

691
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:54,240
Do you, do you find them that in
that sort of chaotic environment

692
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,320
there is a a sense of freedom 
that you don't get in other 

693
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,520
countries? 
Yeah, I've always felt like it's

694
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,600
like the Wild West here a bit 
like it's or like even like with

695
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,080
the mom and paw shops 
everywhere. 

696
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,320
They're more popular than the 
big chain stores, you know, so 

697
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,240
it, it just feels like because 
of that and, and cash is like 

698
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,560
mostly king here, even though, I
mean, it's changing a bit, but 

699
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,320
still a lot of people pay 
everything in cash. 

700
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,120
You know, your neighbors that 
there's a big sense of community

701
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,280
here. 
And while they are installing 

702
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,520
cameras and stuff, they're like 
their agencies, organizations 

703
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,440
don't talk to each other. 
It's it's so hilarious because I

704
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,840
like even with immigration, they
don't talk to the Department of 

705
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,480
State. 
So one of them issues a visa, 

706
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,480
the other one just stamps your 
passport, but they don't talk to

707
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,880
each other. 
And I love this. 

708
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,360
It's not like I love how how 
unorganized and uncentralized 

709
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,080
this. 
Yes, they have lots of data like

710
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,560
everywhere, but so they don't 
know how to connect it yet, 

711
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,040
which is I'm so happy about, you
know? 

712
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,400
We have the same. 
We have the same thing. 

713
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,760
Yeah. 
And I think it's a blessing. 

714
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,280
I'll give you a quick anecdote. 
My wife and I were driving this 

715
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,120
weekend. 
We went on a short road trip, a 

716
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,320
few hours drive and there was a 
roadblock and the police pulled 

717
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,640
us over and he said, just what 
can I see your driver's license?

718
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,920
We're just doing a routine 
inspection, a routine check. 

719
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,920
We're just going to put your 
card into the machine here to 

720
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,600
see if you have any outstanding 
fines. 

721
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,520
And I said to my wife, Oh no, 
he's going to pick up on this 

722
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,160
because I've got loads of 
outstanding fines. 

723
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,400
Why? 
Because I don't pay my fines 

724
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,880
because there's no, there's no 
system in place that can follow 

725
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,600
up on it, right? 
So. 

726
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,200
So he came back to the car and 
he gave me my my driver's 

727
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,800
license. 
And he said, you're all good, 

728
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,800
Sir. 
Have a good day. 

729
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,360
My wife just laughed. 
She said. 

730
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,520
My wife laughed. 
She said, OK, let's just go. 

731
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,040
Yeah. 
I've got, I've got the same 

732
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,960
thing. 
I drive an 88 Mazda and there's 

733
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,040
cameras that give you tickets, 
which I didn't know about when I

734
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,680
first started driving. 
So I racked up a few of those 

735
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,800
and I've been pulled over so 
many times. 

736
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,880
A little checkpoints, yeah. 
And they just look at the 

737
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,040
license and they don't, well, 
even for in my case, they don't 

738
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,600
run it, they don't scan it. 
And in my case, my license was 

739
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,000
printed out on a bad printer so 
that the, the thumbprint is 

740
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,520
gone. 
It's, it's not even there. 

741
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Even the barcode is a little bit
there that the head is twisted, 

742
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,960
you know, it's like elongated on
the photo. 

743
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,280
But yeah, they don't talk to 
each other. 

744
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,200
So like the, the ones that in 
every single year I have to go 

745
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,760
in for inspection on the car, 
the technical, mechanical 

746
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,880
inspection. 
And they don't talk to anyone 

747
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,640
else either. 
So, yeah. 

748
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,000
So every year it keeps getting 
renewed. 

749
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,040
So The thing is though, I think 
when I have to renew my license,

750
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,000
my driver's license, which would
be in two years, then they, I 

751
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,560
think they ask for like, well, 
do you have anything, any 

752
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:48,920
priors? 
So I don't know what's going to 

753
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,440
happen then, you know, or I'll 
just go to the United States to 

754
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,560
get an American driver's license
and bring that over here. 

755
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:55,880
Maybe that'll work. 
Who knows. 

756
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,960
But then I have to sign up for a
Real ID. 

757
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,400
OK. 
But so I mean, are you a 

758
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,880
Colombian citizen? 
No, no, still American. 

759
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,280
I've been here just on different
types of visas, work visa, 

760
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,800
tourist visa, you name it. 
I've been, yeah, just been going

761
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,920
off of those. 
Why did you move there? 

762
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,280
Yeah, so in, in 2011, I was 
living in Seattle. 

763
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,240
I was working at a restaurant 
going nowhere, and I hadn't used

764
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,360
any of my education. 
I mean, I went to school for 

765
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,720
linguistics, but I studied 
Spanish. 

766
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,440
And so I, I, I was not liking 
where I was in life. 

767
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,560
And so I did the digital 
equivalent of spending the 

768
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,720
globe. 
So I just searched, I, I want to

769
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,920
do something with writing. 
So I searched writing gigs, 

770
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,760
internships, and I was just like
the world or South America or 

771
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,440
something like that. 
And then there was the first 

772
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,280
thing that popped up was unpaid 
internship in managing Colombia 

773
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,880
for three months. 
And I was like, all right, I'll 

774
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,480
go try that out and loved it. 
I was there for three months, 

775
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,160
got cut my teeth into 
journalism. 

776
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,880
The first, the first week, two 
days, I think 3 days into my 

777
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,040
first time ever being 
journalist, my story got picked 

778
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,160
up by Fox News, BBCCNNCB. 
They got picked up everywhere. 

779
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,840
It was about Colombian soccer 
player who went to Saudi Arabia,

780
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,480
got arrested because he had 
Jesus tattoos on his arms 

781
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,680
displayed. 
You can't do that. 

782
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,160
So that was like my first week. 
I'm like, oh, OK, I can do this.

783
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,120
Yeah. 
And I fell in love with 

784
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,440
Colombia. 
I went back to the IT was only 

785
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,440
three months, went back to the 
States, tried to look for a job,

786
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,280
couldn't get 1. 
So in three months after that, 

787
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,600
I, I did that again, I was like,
well, I'm going to try to be an 

788
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,080
intern. 
Maybe if I get some intern more 

789
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,480
international experience, 
they'll be OK Did the same 

790
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,080
search again, but for like 
Africa and I saw one in Ghana 

791
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,440
for the Ghanaian Chronicle. 
And so I went over there. 

792
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,080
So yeah, that that's. 
And then after doing that, went 

793
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,360
back to the States, couldn't 
find a job again. 

794
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,440
Worked in restaurants, worked at
Applebee's as a waiter and and, 

795
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,960
and Johnny Rockets as a waiter 
and a host at those restaurants.

796
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,080
And then I was like, no, I'm 
going to go to maybe I'll be a 

797
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,520
travel writer. 
So I, I went to guy when we take

798
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,040
it to Peru, I thought I was 
going to be a travel writer 

799
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,000
about, you know, going to Inca 
and ruins and stuff like that. 

800
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,320
So I spent a month in Peru, 
didn't really do much there. 

801
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,800
I just went and visited ruins, 
drank some wine and had two day 

802
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,480
hangovers from the, from the 
altitude sickness. 

803
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,400
And I was like, and then, so I, 
while I was three weeks there, 

804
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,280
I, I rang up my old editor at in
Columbia and I said, Hey, can I 

805
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,360
just come stay with you and 
crash at your place? 

806
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,520
Because I lived with this, this 
person in Meta Gene news, Dutch 

807
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,480
anarchist, really fun, fun dude.
And my intention was just to 

808
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,800
stay in Colombia for another six
months, just not doing anything 

809
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,280
because I had enough money saved
up that I was just going to hang

810
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,080
out. 
But he had The Newsroom in his, 

811
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,680
in his apartment at the time for
the Colombian 1. 

812
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,680
And it was during election week.
And I was like, oh, I got that 

813
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,200
itch. 
And I was like, Oh my God, can I

814
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,240
come join you? 
And so then again, I worked for 

815
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,600
free for another five months. 
And then I got from doing that a

816
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,120
local entrepreneur, an 
entrepreneur in in Colombia 

817
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,520
who's American, offered me a 
space, a place working in PR and

818
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,840
then from PR getting into the 
sociable and which. 

819
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,240
Yeah. 
So that's, that's, that's the 

820
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:08,680
story. 
It's kind of long, but yeah, 

821
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,520
it's been a lot of ups and downs
and twists and. 

822
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,120
Turns no but your your story is 
great in the sense also that it 

823
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:22,200
shows that otherwise backward 
countries could actually be 

824
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,160
great choices, particularly as 
we move into a more technocratic

825
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,600
future. 
There seems to be a bigger 

826
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,600
buffer in these types of 
countries. 

827
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Yeah, and I was, I've said this 
for many years, is that for me, 

828
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,720
Colombia was the the land of 
opportunity. 

829
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,800
You know, so many people want to
get out and go to the United 

830
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,320
States, but for me, I couldn't. 
Every single job I was looking 

831
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,280
for wanted three to five years 
of experience. 

832
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,200
You know, I mean, I graduated 
university in 2007, 2008, the 

833
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,840
whole financial, the whole 
economy collapsed. 

834
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,640
And so I couldn't get anything. 
And so I was just so frustrated.

835
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,640
And I was like, well, at least 
for me, it, it was, I wanted 

836
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,440
adventure. 
But I, you know, maybe this is 

837
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,520
my way in so I can come back to 
the United States and, you know,

838
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,400
work for a big news outlet or 
something. 

839
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,640
I ended up falling in love with 
it here because like those 

840
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,760
things you said, like, yeah, 
the, the infrastructure, the 

841
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,920
kind of Wild West of it, the, 
the organized chaos and stuff, 

842
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:22,120
it just really lent it to being 
the place where I can thrive and

843
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,640
survive. 
And especially like right now 

844
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,760
I'm sitting outside. 
I do all my writing and working,

845
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,640
you know, outside on this, this 
front balcony and, and, or this 

846
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,240
front little porch here and I've
got a view of just beautiful 

847
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,960
Green Mountains. 
I'm end up in the Andes, you 

848
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,720
know, and so it's just, it's 
conducive for writing. 

849
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,640
There's, I mean, there's stuff 
going on here, but you know, 

850
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,240
it's, it just I can thrive in 
this environment. 

851
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,280
Well, yes, and also because you 
know, Colombia and South Africa 

852
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,080
and Ghana and you know, 
countries that are what you'd 

853
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,640
consider developing or third 
world or whatever, they tend to 

854
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,480
have lower starting points like 
the, the, the baselines are 

855
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,480
lower. 
So there is actually opportunity

856
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,960
in many, many areas where as if 
you go to say Shanghai, 

857
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,120
everything is developed and I'm 
not entirely certain how many 

858
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,280
opportunities there are anymore.
Yeah. 

859
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,480
And there's less competition, 
right? 

860
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,840
Like not, not, not, not billion,
not like somewhere like India 

861
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,160
where there's billions of people
trying to get one thing, you 

862
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,840
know, like or a billion people. 
Well, yeah, I mean, you're 

863
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,040
looking at traffic and stuff 
like that. 

864
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,480
I was just looking at this 
example from India. 

865
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,880
I spent a month in India as 
well. 

866
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,000
That was that was interesting. 
And, you know, like people would

867
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,360
just stop their cars in the 
middle of the road to walk over 

868
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,400
and get something in the street 
from a store and block traffic 

869
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,160
forever because it's that 
competitive. 

870
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,800
Like, no, if I don't do this 
here, I'm never going to get a 

871
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:42,920
spot. 
I have to do that to be first. 

872
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,880
It's so competitive. 
Imagine like big old cities are 

873
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,000
like that as well. 
But if you're out in a place 

874
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,440
where there's, you know, it's 
not as developed. 

875
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,880
There's not. 
Yeah, there's less, there's less

876
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,480
competition. 
And so even, you know, even if I

877
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,960
weren't doing what I'm doing 
here, doing what I do, I mean, 

878
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,600
teaching English would be 
something that just everywhere 

879
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,920
everyone's looking for that, you
know, there's always something. 

880
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:11,520
But the big thing for me is 
again, to try and be in a place 

881
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:18,800
where you have, I think a better
prospect of not being Privy to 

882
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,760
all the sort of New World Order 
stuff, you know. 

883
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,680
I mean, I don't know if you've 
been to Amsterdam, but I mean, 

884
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,760
it's a 15 minute city in in the 
making. 

885
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,360
You know, it's there's no reason
for you ever to own a car. 

886
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,240
You can just ride a bicycle and 
there's no reason for you to go 

887
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,360
further than 15 minutes because 
everything is is there. 

888
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,480
Whereas here in South Africa, a 
15 minute city is not going to 

889
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,440
be happening anytime soon 
because there's no 

890
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,560
infrastructure. 
Yeah, and like I said about the 

891
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,400
the mom and pops shops and 
things, it's, it's like stepping

892
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,360
back in time in a way, you know,
like to the night when my, you 

893
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,640
know, parents would talk about, 
about the 1970s or 1980s. 

894
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,920
Well, even going back, you know,
in Ghana, I remember the first I

895
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,640
got one of these fruit juices or
a soda or something and it had a

896
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,720
pop top, you know, like the one 
that you can actually snap off. 

897
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,320
And I thought those went away 
like in the 1970s. 

898
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,080
I thought like I'd never see 
that before or, or even there. 

899
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,320
OK, corned beef is a weird 
thing. 

900
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,720
It's, I've never seen corned 
beef in in Colombia, but I know 

901
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:21,680
in Brazil that they do it 
because when I was in Ghana, I 

902
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,560
used to get corned beef and cans
from Brazil. 

903
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,400
And it was with those little 
keys you twist around and like, 

904
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,200
I thought those were from Mres 
from World War 2, but those are 

905
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,080
still here. 
This is awesome. 

906
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,480
Yeah. 
And so it's like that you could.

907
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,800
So it's like, yeah, you're 
slowed down in time here. 

908
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,720
I mean, I do feel it's going to 
eventually going to come. 

909
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:45,280
But maybe you bought yourself 
1520 years, you know of that. 

910
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,200
They have the means to do it. 
They got the back. 

911
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,800
They got the money. 
They got the funding for it. 

912
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,880
Yeah. 
I mean, you've got Larry Ellison

913
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,720
funding the Tony Blair 
Institute. 

914
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:59,480
You got Blair and Starmer being 
Labour, who are all Fabians 

915
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,760
who've got tons of money and and
things like that. 

916
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,360
Lots of influences. 
Yeah. 

917
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,800
And big, yeah. 
Like, again, Larry Ellison, 

918
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,720
Oracle, big and media, yeah, 
just tons of stuff here. 

919
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,160
We we got it. 
It's it's at the airports is the

920
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,800
most is is the is the biggest. 
Where it's rolled. 

921
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,360
Out is like I couldn't believe 
yeah, the bio like the biomig 

922
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,240
check thing that they have at 
the airports. 

923
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:21,840
They just scan like I don't use 
it. 

924
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,680
I think it's more more Colombian
citizens, but it is completely 

925
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,600
they don't even talk to an 
agent. 

926
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,760
They just go right through scan 
themselves and then they they 

927
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:35,640
enter the the country, you know.
So I, I imagine that's I haven't

928
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,640
actually looked into what's 
Colombia system is but I imagine

929
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,480
this comes from somewhere else 
and it's definitely not home. 

930
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,680
I don't think it's a home grown 
thing. 

931
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,000
So yeah, they they've managed to
do it there because it's a small

932
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,640
little what do they call it 
sandbox to do it in. 

933
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,880
Try doing that on the people 
here when yeah, there's we still

934
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,080
got, I mean, there's there's 
child labour, there's child 

935
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,120
soldiers, there's all the again,
the infrastructure is not 

936
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,800
connected so disjointed. 
That's a little more tricky to 

937
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,400
do it on a larger scale. 
Why do you think Tim, so many 

938
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,560
countries, though, have bought 
into this? 

939
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,560
Well, and the first, I mean, 
their governments are normally 

940
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,600
you got to be psychopathic to 
run in government. 

941
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,840
And if you're not, as soon as 
they get in there, they take you

942
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,080
behind a closed door and say, 
huh, this is how things really 

943
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,720
happen, so better change your 
tune. 

944
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,960
But a lot of them, I think, want
money from elsewhere. 

945
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,520
And it's almost like, yeah, you 
know, they want that funding, 

946
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,280
you know, in the states, like, 
we want that federal funding, so

947
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,160
we got to do this or whatever. 
So a lot of them, you know, 

948
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,760
they'll sign up to stuff for, 
for the United Nations, You know

949
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,320
that that's the big one. 
The, the pact for the future. 

950
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,440
Every, every single country. 193
agreed that they, they were, 

951
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,880
they consented to rolling out 
digital public infrastructure in

952
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,440
their countries, which is 
digital public infrastructure, 

953
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,800
DPI civic technology stack 
modeled after India's Adhaar 

954
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,000
thing. 
It's digital identity. 

955
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,440
It's fast payment systems and 
data sharing, data exchanges 

956
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,480
between public and private 
entities. 

957
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,800
So but it's. 
Not just that, though. 

958
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,520
It's not just that. 
It's also, as Ian Davis points 

959
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,800
out, it's sustainable 
development, which is the 

960
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,680
ultimate Oh yeah, yeah, goal. 
Yes, it's it's all about yeah, 

961
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,960
the the packs of the feature, 
the UN, their whole mandate is 

962
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,640
Agenda 2030, Sustainable 
Development Goals. 

963
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,560
This is one way of you know, 
this is just one component of 

964
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,000
it. 
Of course, I mean, the the other

965
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,040
thing too is to and 
sustainability and this and net 

966
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,720
zero stuff and it's all tied 
back. 

967
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,840
You go if you want to do that, 
you know, digital ID, carbon 

968
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,840
credit, social credit, you know,
system thing, yeah, it's all 

969
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,440
part of it. 
But the but DPI sustainable. 

970
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,040
What is sustainable? 
If you get rid of carbon as the 

971
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,600
boogeyman, everything falls 
apart. 

972
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,760
There is not one argument and 
this just this just is the most 

973
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,440
insane thing to me. 
And and now you're not even 

974
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,120
allowed to question policy. 
The UN has been coming out 

975
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,400
saying that even if you question
policy, anything that impedes on

976
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,280
our progress towards 2030 agenda
Sustainable Development Goals, 

977
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,840
you are spreading 
disinformation. 

978
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,240
So, and, and then they're 
creating a disinformation task 

979
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:20,040
force as well to go after that. 
And, and in the EU, Ursula von 

980
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,280
der Leyen was saying that 
misinformation, disinformation 

981
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,560
bad. 
And the, the, the World Economic

982
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,080
Forum, everyone's saying that. 
And again, it's it is going back

983
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,680
to that Agenda 2030, the 
Sustainable Development Goals, 

984
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,840
and without carbon as the 
boogeyman, it all freaking falls

985
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,560
apart. 
Yeah. 

986
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,640
I asked you earlier about your 
sort of Damascus moments, and I 

987
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:45,560
think my first one was around 
2009, 2010, when I watched a 

988
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,200
documentary called The Great 
Global Warming Swindle. 

989
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:56,520
And that was the first time I 
started questioning everything 

990
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,840
that I thought I knew. 
And little that I know how 

991
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,880
important that film would be 
because everything actually is 

992
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,560
centered around carbon dioxide, 
as you just pointed out, 

993
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,320
everything. 
Yep. 

994
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,160
Well, Even so where's the story 
that I did? 

995
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,120
So I read, you know, I've read 
the Great Reset and the great 

996
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,000
narrative, you know, from Klaus 
Schwab and Terry Mallory 

997
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:24,080
actually interviewed Terry 
Mallory once as well. 

998
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:30,720
But so the idea, even when the, 
when the pandemic came, it was 

999
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,400
all what they did, is they took 
those climate change narratives,

1000
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,240
slapped it on to COVID, and then
once the COVID control narrative

1001
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,840
went away, they went back to the
climate net zero stuff. 

1002
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,800
So what 2 quotes from the The 
Great Reset which were really 

1003
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,840
kind of eye opening. 
One was some leaders and 

1004
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,440
decision makers who were already
at the forefront of the fight 

1005
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,600
against climate change may want 
to take advantage of the shock 

1006
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,320
inflicted by the pandemic to 
implement long lasting and wider

1007
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,840
environmental changes. 
They will in effect make good 

1008
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,200
use of the pandemic by not just 
letting the crisis go to waste. 

1009
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,280
That's one of them. 
And then the other quote is, if 

1010
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,520
in the post pandemic era, we 
decide to resume our lives just 

1011
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,640
as before, by driving the same 
cars, by flying to the same 

1012
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,520
destinations, by eating the same
things, by heating our house the

1013
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,240
same way and so on, the COVID-19
crisis will have gone to waste 

1014
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,640
as far as climate policies are 
concerned. 

1015
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Sure. 
So yeah. 

1016
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,200
That's a that's. 
A great question of eating. 

1017
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,880
Yeah, and so yeah, it's it's 
whatever it was before like 

1018
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,720
lockdowns and what climate 
lockdowns back you know, you 

1019
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:47,080
know, lockdown of all of society
use consume less, eat less meat,

1020
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,600
you'll own nothing be happy. 
Whoa. 

1021
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,800
That's another one that that has
to do more with the circular 

1022
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,080
economy, which is coming as 
well. 

1023
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,600
Circular economy is where you 
product as a service. 

1024
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,080
So anything that is a product 
and now you, it becomes a 

1025
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,480
service to rent out. 
So you. 

1026
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,760
Actually. 
Oh, like Apple Music? 

1027
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,640
Yeah, it's, it's a life as a 
subscription. 

1028
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,600
Yeah, that's, that's what the 
circular economy is. 

1029
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,080
That's a big one from the WEF 
club of Rome is huge on that as 

1030
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,600
well. 
And I think in Mackenzie, 

1031
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,480
Deloitte, all of like they love 
their circular economy because 

1032
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:24,360
that's you owe nothing. 
But it is also sometimes quite 

1033
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:31,920
handy to have what is 
subscriptions. 

1034
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:37,200
I mean, for example, you don't 
want to keep buying an album all

1035
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,840
the time. 
Sometimes you just want one or 

1036
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,560
two songs, but you want access 
to all of it. 

1037
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:46,600
You know what I mean? 
Yeah, but how long is that 

1038
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,160
access available? 
A lot of times it's what they do

1039
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,920
is it's they're licensing. 
So I remember I bought on Amazon

1040
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:58,240
back in like 2012, the musical 
Danny K Hans Christian Andersen,

1041
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,720
Amazon. 
And now I go try, try to find 

1042
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,920
it, get it again. 
It says, no, you don't own this.

1043
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,400
Like, no, I bought that. 
Well, they don't own they didn't

1044
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,440
own the rights at one point or 
they lost it or something 

1045
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,840
changed or is it a policy 
update? 

1046
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,280
So that's how quickly those 
things can go away. 

1047
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,960
I would like I still at least 
back in my folks home in in the 

1048
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,000
United States, we've still got a
collection, not VHS anymore, 

1049
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,720
unfortunately, but DVDs, tons of
DVDs and and records. 

1050
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,160
I do have records. 
Yeah, me too. 

1051
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,640
I've got a whole bunch beyond 
me. 

1052
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,120
Yeah, and it's just amazing to 
to have those. 

1053
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,200
I mean, if the Internet goes 
out, something goes wrong, some 

1054
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,640
kind of terms of service doesn't
work anymore. 

1055
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,000
What if a company goes belly up 
some or they sell it to someone 

1056
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,160
else and comes more, you know, 
if you can't afford the 

1057
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,960
subscription anymore, this one 
type of thing isn't available. 

1058
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,280
They keep raising prices or they
said, Oh, no, you can't share 

1059
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,360
this with this person, your 
accounts, it can only be limited

1060
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,360
here and stuff like that or in 
this device, even though you 

1061
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,200
might own multiple. 
I mean, they can change at any 

1062
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,320
moment. 
So no, I prefer the physical of 

1063
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,520
yeah, I I prefer analog stuff. 
But no, you're right about 

1064
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,960
convenience. 
It is oh, especially OK, I'll, 

1065
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,320
I'll do it with books with books
like I got my Kindle, you know, 

1066
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,920
I can't lug around cases and 
cases of books everywhere I go 

1067
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,280
to you know, I'm can't bring 
those on a plane with me. 

1068
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,720
So yeah, that it's really 
convenient when it comes to 

1069
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,280
from, in my case with a book. 
But it's what? 

1070
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,320
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1071
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,080
I mean, it's what Catherine 
Orson Fitz often says, just 

1072
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,000
apply some discernment. 
You don't have to go in either 

1073
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,760
direction to the extreme. 
I mean, it is sometimes a lot 

1074
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,520
better to have 100 books on your
Kindle, for example, than to 

1075
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,840
have 100 books in your luggage 
when you're flying. 

1076
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:48,520
Yes. 
Yeah, yeah, for obvious reasons,

1077
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,280
yes. 
Yes, but then, but then playing 

1078
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,400
a vinyl, it's just so much 
nicer. 

1079
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,080
Yeah, it is, isn't it? 
Yeah, you don't. 

1080
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,720
Yeah, those are the things that 
you don't get to experience. 

1081
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,240
And well, Speaking of those 
things, you know, like when we 

1082
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,880
do talk about the incoming 
digital gulag, panopticon 

1083
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,480
control grid and stuff like 
that, as more and more people 

1084
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,040
sign up for it and agree to give
privacy away, or if they don't 

1085
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,280
agree to it, just all of a 
sudden is inflicted A thrust 

1086
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,200
upon them, then, you know, 
future generations are never 

1087
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,720
going to know what freedom is, 
just like other ones are not 

1088
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,840
going to know what a vital 
record sounds like, you know, 

1089
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,200
and you can go back for, you 
know, every single century go 

1090
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,160
back, you know, all these 
things. 

1091
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,120
You know, we don't know what 
that smell is or the of the OR 

1092
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,880
the sound of the the blacksmith 
making that horseshoe, you know,

1093
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,360
or, you know, doing things like 
that, you know, and what was 

1094
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,480
that old movie from Disney way 
back in the day, tall tale, the 

1095
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,000
adventures of Pecos Bill, like 
electric light balls. 

1096
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,800
Electric light balls are coming.
How we're going to see the 

1097
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,680
stars, you know, that kind of 
stuff. 

1098
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:55,760
Let's. 
Talk about freedom. 

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What do you mean though? 
Talk about what? 

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When you talk about freedom, 
what do you mean? 

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Oh yeah. 
Well, just the freedom to be 

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without being monitored, like 
and kind of, and because just 

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because you're monitored, what 
you're doing is you change your 

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behavior if you know you're 
always being watched. 

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Then they did this. 
I remember this little 

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experiment they did I saw in the
few years ago with kids like, so

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the teacher, I think it was 
during lockdowns and the teacher

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like went away for a second but 
kept the camera rolling, you 

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know, like for the virtual 
classroom stuff. 

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And then the kids started going,
teacher's gone, we can do it. 

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And then one of them's like, 
well, hey, the camera's still 

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on, it's still recording guys, 
they can still see us. 

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And then we was like, oh, oh, 
OK, OK, So that, that's the kind

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of thing because once, you know,
you just can't go any. 

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That's what I love about nature.
I love, I love kayaking, I love 

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fishing, I love hiking. 
I love going out in, in these 

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places where just no one can see
you. 

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And you know, like you're kind 
of, it's that privacy thing, you

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know, and some people say, well,
well, if you've got nothing to 

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hide, well, what's the problem? 
You know, then I'm just and I'm 

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thinking like, well, why don't 
you just walk around naked all 

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day? 
You know, what's what's the 

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problem with that? 
You know, yeah, there's, 

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there's, there's limits here. 
All right, dude, I'm looking at 

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the time one more time. 
How can my audience follow your 

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work well? 
Thanks a lot. 

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01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:25,880
Yeah, sociable.co is the website
and on X it's at the Sociable. 

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And then for me personally at 
Tim Henchliff and Jeremy, Thank.

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Thank you so much. 
Yeah, it's no, it's been an 

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absolute pleasure.