1 00:00:08,050 --> 00:00:11,050 We hope that a few people will listen into this. 2 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:14,090 Rachel, a little bit of an introduction. 3 00:00:14,090 --> 00:00:17,250 It is that you got in contact with a column. 4 00:00:17,930 --> 00:00:20,370 First of all, what about two years ago? 5 00:00:20,370 --> 00:00:24,370 Is that right? It was August 2000. 6 00:00:24,490 --> 00:00:28,330 Yeah. Well, to August 2024, so. 7 00:00:28,330 --> 00:00:29,730 Oh, OK. Right. 8 00:00:29,770 --> 00:00:33,360 Yeah, yeah. And we have done an interview 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,440 before which I'll link him with this. 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:39,400 This is really just a chat. It's, it's Sunday morning, early 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,600 Sunday morning for me. I've lost track of where it is 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,240 for you now. Where is it for you? 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,880 Where? Are we? 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,040 It's 8:10 in the evening. Yeah, because because you're in 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,560 Australia and it's very warm and hot there and it's cold and 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,320 rainy here. So we've set the scene. 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,120 But you'd had some amazing experiences through COVID and 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,040 lockdown and that's really where we got chatting and we have been 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,600 in touch. But you were keen to to have a 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,680 chat again and so here we are. So I'd like to say to you how, 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,320 if I may, how is life in Australia? 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,640 And yeah, is it? Yeah, life, yeah, life in 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,440 Australia is good. Always loved Australia. 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:32,320 And as you know, when I visited the column, I was living in New 25 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:38,000 Zealand and then we decided as a family to relocate back to 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,560 Australia because it it's a different way of life in 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,280 Australia and to New Zealand and it's more laid back. 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,920 The weather's better, however, it's very humid. 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:54,680 It's been 33 today. And yeah, we've lived in 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,800 Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth and decided to give Brisbane a 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,720 go this time. So it's all new again. 32 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,880 We moved here in April last year, so we've been here around 33 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,560 what, 8 months? Right, OK, brilliant. 34 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Well, look, we're not going to directly go over old ground, but 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,120 I am going to say that you know what, what you had to say about 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,880 lockdown in New Zealand was pretty amazing and it was 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,320 obviously a tough time for you and made, made a big impact on 38 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,520 you. I've never been in my Navy time. 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,760 I, I did get to a lot of places around the world, but I never 40 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:37,200 got to New Zealand or Australia. And your comment there that 41 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,960 Australia is a lot more laid back than New Zealand. 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,920 Just talk about those differences a bit. 43 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:45,360 Then what? What, what makes New Zealand a 44 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:52,080 bit more up, uptight or straight is that is that the British is, 45 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:57,640 is that still the British? No, it's, it's amazing the 46 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:00,840 differences really. The cost of living in New 47 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,760 Zealand is off the scale, literally. 48 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,720 There's a lot of I can, I could see, you know, we lived there 49 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,440 for eight years. We moved from Auckland to 50 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:17,120 Hawksbury. And yeah, it was just so. 51 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,120 So I can't even tell you how expensive, like $20.00 for a 52 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:29,880 block of cheese in New Zealand, which is around 1415 lbs. 53 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,600 And the property is so expensive. 54 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,400 That was one of the reasons actually, we moved from Auckland 55 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,480 to Hawkes Bay because of the house prices in Auckland were 56 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,760 just, you know, we both had great careers, but yeah, just 57 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:54,000 out of reach. Yeah, just the bills, you know, 58 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,560 the utilities and taxes and everything was just, yeah, it 59 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,640 was just phenomenal. And having resided in Australia 60 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,840 prior to moving to New Zealand, it was a big shock from going 61 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,960 from Australia to New Zealand. I remember our standard of 62 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,839 living dropped drastically. You know where where in 63 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,519 Australia? You can do so much here, Brian. 64 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:25,960 Like you'll go to the beach and there's phone chargers there, 65 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,160 there's showers, there's facilities for families, there's 66 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:37,680 dog bags for for the dogs. And it's just a real different 67 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,080 way of life in every way. When I say laid back, people are 68 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:47,840 happier here and I think people are happier because, well, at 69 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:55,040 the minute, you know, people are still in certain areas of 70 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,480 society thriving. But I do see decline in other 71 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:06,160 other areas as well. In my sector of work, I've seen 72 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,320 a lot of AI takeover and my sector of work is recruitment. 73 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,440 Yeah, it's scary. You can just see the decline. 74 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,240 You know, we've not been in Australia for eight years, but 75 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,520 you know, there's been a lot of changes. 76 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,680 I've had my first interaction with Thought Thought Crime. 77 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:34,200 Brian, I got a fine through the post for having a laptop on my, 78 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:42,280 sorry my phone on my lap. It was taken by a a surveillance 79 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:42,920 camera. What? 80 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,920 What, you were driving or something? 81 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,720 Yeah, yeah. And I'm going to dispute it 82 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,960 because I don't use my phone when I'm driving. 83 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,000 I've actually got Bluetooth in the car and there's a photo of, 84 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,480 of the phone on on my lap. But there's, you know, my, my 85 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,840 fingers are nowhere near it or anything. 86 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,840 I don't know why it was on my lap. 87 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:06,840 I can't recall why it was on my lap. 88 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:11,120 All I do know is I weren't using it because I used Bluetooth in 89 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,960 the car. So it was a bit of a shock and 90 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,840 the fine is absolutely phenomenal. 91 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 I've got it here. There's there's the photo of the 92 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,480 car and me. Well, I see it and and there's 93 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,720 the the phone. Yeah, I see it. 94 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:31,240 Yeah. Yeah, infringement noise, but it 95 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:40,440 says on here alleged offence driver use mobile phone. 96 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,400 Well, I'm not using my mobile phone. 97 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,600 Apparently in Brisbane it's illegal to have an A mobile 98 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,400 phone anywhere on your body in the car. 99 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,240 I rang, I rang the sorry. Go on. 100 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,720 Well, from my brief glimpse of the photograph, it looks as 101 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,320 though the phone is on the seat by your leg. 102 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,360 Yeah, well, it's hard to tell. It does look like it's on my 103 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,640 lap, but as you can see, my hand is on the steering wheel. 104 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:19,400 I'm not using the phone and the fine is $1251 and the demerit 105 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:26,240 points are 4, which is really high, so I'm going to dispute 106 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,160 that. Going to look into that a bit 107 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,800 more. But I did have an interesting 108 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:39,120 conversation with the lady at the transport office. 109 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,680 I mean, if I had a glass, if I had a bottle of wine on my lap, 110 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,200 does it mean I'm going to drink it? 111 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,120 So. But it but it is it is thought 112 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,000 crime, isn't it? You know it. 113 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,320 Is that's exactly what it is. Yeah. 114 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,440 That's the first thing that came to my mind. 115 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,200 And I've never received anything like that. 116 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:08,000 And I was like, wow, so you take photos of people in the car when 117 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,040 they're driving? Yeah, Oh well. 118 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,320 Well, this has been going on with UK for a very in a very 119 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,320 long time with all the cameras on the bridges, particularly 120 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,680 over the motorway. Personally I always drive with 121 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:28,840 the sun visor down because although OK, it's not always 122 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,840 fully down. You might have it part part of 123 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,440 the way down but it it does significantly obstruct the view 124 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,240 into the windscreen from those high level cameras. 125 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,159 Yeah, I mean, you know, fair enough if I'd been pulled over 126 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,280 by the police, if I was using my phone, but they're actually 127 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,320 photographing you while you're driving. 128 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,880 It's just like, wow, that that's blown my mind to be honest, 129 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,080 because I've experienced it myself now. 130 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,640 Yeah. And and you mentioned to me 131 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:03,920 earlier that that just as here in UK, you experiencing people 132 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:14,840 who were fractious. Yeah, yeah, People are on edge, 133 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,360 but they may not know why. I think it's all an internal 134 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:26,800 thing, Brian, and dare I say it, a spiritual thing, that the 135 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,200 world is so fragmented and divided on so many issues, 136 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,680 whether it be politics, exopolitics, what's going on in 137 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:40,280 different countries. It's just unbelievable. 138 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,800 And the, the way for me to get through it is to look at things 139 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,120 logically and research. I don't, I don't believe 140 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,080 anything that that's told to me. I question things, you know, 141 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:59,120 because you have to, you have to delve back into history to see 142 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:05,000 why these things are going on. Yeah, this is absolutely true. 143 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,040 The other thing which has been in the press in UK, and I'd like 144 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,480 to know what you think about it, is the is stopping children 145 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:17,440 getting onto social media. And actually there's just been a 146 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,920 headline, I think it's today or might have been yesterday in UK 147 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,520 press saying, well, Keir Starmer is now considering doing the 148 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,680 same. And to me this is so 149 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:32,760 significant. It is. 150 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:38,120 It's already happened here in Australia under sixteens are not 151 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,880 allowed access to social media. Now that was brought in, I 152 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:49,120 believe in December. Now like I say, I like to look 153 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,360 at things logically and research. 154 00:10:52,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Now for me having, I'm, I'm a mum and I as a mother should be 155 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:13,760 left to watch my child, what they're doing on social media at 156 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,480 a certain age. I, I, I actually had those 157 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,480 discussions with my daughter when she was around 13. 158 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,640 When you upload a photo, your friends aren't just going to see 159 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,560 it, It's going to be their friends, you know, and so on and 160 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:28,680 so forth. And then when you look for a 161 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:31,320 job, you know, they're going to look at your social media 162 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,880 profile and things like that. So, you know, I had a really 163 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,080 good in depth conversation with my daughter about social media. 164 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:48,240 Now for me, it's not up to the state to decide what a child 165 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,480 does or doesn't do. I mean, for me, if the 166 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,080 government is going to intervene, why can't they 167 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:01,480 intervene with pornography and all the dark things you know, 168 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:08,440 that they should be looking at, not the parental role. 169 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,480 Yeah, I think, I think that's a really good point. 170 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,680 And of course, they never go into those those areas they 171 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,760 always talk about child protection, but areas where they 172 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,640 could make a difference, they don't, they don't get near. 173 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,960 Yeah. And that and that has divided a 174 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:31,680 lot of families here as well. Another thing to divide people 175 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,840 you know, Does the state do it or parents? 176 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,560 Yeah. So presumably some parents agree 177 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:42,080 with you that it should be a decision for the parents. 178 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,000 And others say, Oh well, it's a good thing because the state is. 179 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,600 Yeah, It was good to see. There has been a lot of 180 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,080 pushback, you know, on that issue. 181 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,560 Don't know where that's going to lead. 182 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,920 But, you know, it is heartening to see, you know, that people 183 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,200 are like, well, I'm a parent. I'm not going to be told what my 184 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,920 child. Yeah. 185 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,400 What What about Australian politicians or any of them 186 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,080 challenging it? Or are they all united with 187 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:20,840 government policy? That's a really good question 188 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:26,120 and there is, I'm not sure if he's an MP or senator, so please 189 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,200 don't quote me on his position within government, but I know 190 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,520 there is one. I think he's called Senator 191 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,240 Babbitt and he is a voice of reason. 192 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:46,400 He, he is very vocal on social media about where he thinks this 193 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,560 government is leading Australia. And yeah, it's a good voice of 194 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:54,240 reason. Is is a is a good one to follow? 195 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,880 Yeah, yeah. Well, well, that's good. 196 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,520 I, I mean, it's going to be interesting to see how it pans 197 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,800 out here if they attempt to push this through. 198 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:09,440 But of course for for me, rather than protecting children from 199 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,520 the bad stuff online, what the government is doing I think is 200 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,480 making absolutely sure that youngsters, particularly 201 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,560 teenagers who are learning are not going to get access to any 202 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:28,440 other material than the formal news channels like the BBC or 203 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,600 whatever it is. So they don't want children 204 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,800 using social media because children might learn that what 205 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:41,080 they're being told and taught through the official system at 206 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,640 school and college is not necessarily the truth. 207 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,680 So you want to block them from that. 208 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,080 That's what I think they're doing. 209 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Yeah, we, we can speculate on agendas, etcetera, but you have 210 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,280 to, because you could also look at it Brian, that they're 211 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,840 wanting the young people to get used to using a digital ID to 212 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,800 get on the Internet. Yes. 213 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,240 You know, if you take the things away that they enjoy doing and 214 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,240 then when they're 16, they have to sign up for a digital ID or 215 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,960 when they're 18. Yeah, that's a very, that is a 216 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,760 very good point, a very good point. 217 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,800 And somebody a few days ago sent me an e-mail pointing out that 218 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:36,280 there's an app which has now been created in UK where 219 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,400 youngsters are going to have to use that app or will use that 220 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,840 app in order to get their exam results. 221 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,400 And that would, that would seem to fit that model, wouldn't it, 222 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,120 that that you're training youngsters to use this stuff. 223 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,600 Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, the young 224 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,000 ones are have been brought up digitally. 225 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:05,200 There's no two ways, you know, locally, my daughter was in the 226 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:10,400 middle of that, but the younger ones now they're just they've 227 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,560 they've got an iPad at age 3 and exposed to so much. 228 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,200 And this is where we go as well. You know, I do see that, Brian, 229 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,120 you know, that some parents appease children with, with, you 230 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,880 know, digital products, you know, to keep them entertained. 231 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,880 Yeah. It's, it's, it's a big debate 232 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,560 for sure. Yeah, absolutely. 233 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,400 Another question for you. You're you're there in 234 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,840 Australia, you've still got a bit of an accent. 235 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,440 It's never going to go. No, well it shouldn't because 236 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:51,280 I've I've always no accents around around UKI think they're 237 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,840 fun your. Identity. 238 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,760 Yeah, the reason I said that is because obviously if you talk to 239 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,280 somebody in Australia, they know pretty quickly you're a, you're 240 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,760 a POM, so. Oh, absolutely. 241 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,200 You've got, you know, you're looking at the world as as you 242 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,040 are and you've got huge concerns about what's going on. 243 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,800 You've experienced some horrible stuff during the lockdown thing. 244 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,520 When, when you get into discussion with Australians, are 245 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:25,119 you the, are you the wacky Brits or are, or are Australians 246 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:30,640 starting to also starting to sort of sense that something's 247 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,200 wrong? How, how easy is it for you to 248 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:38,280 connect with people who are also waking up to use that expression 249 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,120 in in Australia? That's a brilliant question 250 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:47,200 because we've had such a transient lifestyle living in 251 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,600 Australia, New Zealand, back in the UK, back to New Zealand. 252 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:56,480 But you know, I've had to adapt. I've had to learn to adapt to, 253 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,120 you know, certain ways of life and different cultures and 254 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:04,560 everything. I have noticed that where we are 255 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:11,040 here in Brisbane, we're in suburbia again and it's very 256 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,520 insular. It's I couldn't tell you the 257 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,840 names of my neighbors. However I tried to correct that 258 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,920 at Christmas. In fact, I did correct that. 259 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,480 I took, I baked some brownies and I went next door on a 260 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,400 mission and I think it was Christmas Eve and I went next 261 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,400 door and I banged on the door and introduced myself. 262 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,680 And the lady next door is actually Scottish. 263 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,080 And she's lived. And she's lived here for, I 264 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,520 think she said about 20 years. And then so I left the brownies. 265 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,000 And then 10 minutes later, there was a knock on the door. 266 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,000 And she brought a box of chocolates. 267 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 And I said, I'm really, I don't want to offend you, but I don't 268 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,040 give to receive. You know, I wanted to bite 269 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,400 brownies and everything I said, but, you know, you're welcome to 270 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,960 come in and have a glass of wine. 271 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,240 And she came in and it was really surreal. 272 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,200 She just burst into tears, right? 273 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,880 And I sat her down and I got her a drink. 274 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,120 And, you know, Christmas can be a tough time, you know, for. 275 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:23,040 Everybody what what did, what did sort of what had triggered 276 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,640 her? The fact that you'd take in the 277 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,760 trouble. To the kindness. 278 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,520 Right. The kindness, yeah, she she 279 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,760 said. It's gone and it made her cry. 280 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Well. So that was quite a poignant 281 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,800 conversation. And then I meet people at the 282 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:47,120 beach, I've met people at work, I've met people, I've been on 283 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:53,880 groups on various social media and met people and talked to 284 00:19:53,880 --> 00:20:00,760 people about what is going on. And the the the weird thing is 285 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,000 when you start doing that and opening new channels for 286 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,640 yourself and being. Authentic. 287 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,880 You know, I've met some wonderful people and I have got 288 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:18,280 a story which is quite sad that here in Australia there seems to 289 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:23,240 be a tiny house movement going on, you know, whereby people are 290 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:31,080 renting land in rural or remote locations and putting a caravan 291 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,240 on there or tiny home on there or a motor home. 292 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,120 And I met a gentleman who was actually from South Africa and 293 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:43,320 we had a lot of conversations and I went to visit him and he 294 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,360 was located at Glasshouse Mountains, which is a 295 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,200 spectacular place, about an hour's drive out of Brisbane. 296 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:56,680 And I met, I went to meet him and he had some land and he had 297 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:03,200 various, the land was gorgeous. Brian, it was so gorgeous. 298 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,600 He'd got a little lick in the middle and he was doing a veggie 299 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:13,560 patch and getting chickens. And he had, I think when I went 300 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,920 first, I visited him a few times. 301 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,440 He had a, a lovely family. We're actually originally from 302 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,200 the UK, living in a modular home and a caravan on the on there. 303 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,440 And there was other caravans on there and they all have their 304 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:33,000 own allocated segment of the land. 305 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,640 And we kept in touch for a few months and I went to visit him a 306 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,480 few times because I wanted to, I suppose, test the water on maybe 307 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,840 getting a tiny hole. When was it? 308 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:50,000 I think it was about October time and I was due to visit him 309 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,400 and I received a text and they said please don't come tomorrow 310 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,640 And I was like why are you OK? Is everything OK? 311 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,720 And he said, oh, the council have been and I've been and the 312 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:08,240 police and they've shut the land down and they've given him a 313 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,800 massive fine. And it was it was destructs that 314 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,400 was his livelihood and he wanted to help people. 315 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,800 And I've heard a lot of those stories, but that then I 316 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,200 experienced just seem to experience these things, Brian, 317 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,080 because I put myself out there, you know, and get to meet people 318 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,800 and and see what's going on in society. 319 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,240 You know it's important. Yeah. 320 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:37,840 And it and it is true that people who are trying to live 321 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,920 you could say an alternative life or a life outside the 322 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,760 mainstream system, they are absolutely being targeted and 323 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,320 penalized. Yeah, all the zoning laws have 324 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,240 changed and things. Yeah, you know, that's happening 325 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,480 in UK. So that that's, that is, you 326 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,360 know, sad that that's happened to him. 327 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,280 So you, you're painting a picture really of, of a similar 328 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:06,520 situation with people in Australia to UK, just to come 329 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,000 back to the lady saying to you, the kindness has gone. 330 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,360 I I thought, wow, because my big thing, and I've felt this really 331 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:19,760 strongly over probably the last three Christmases, is that the 332 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,120 atmosphere of Christmas. Is gone. 333 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,280 Has gone now I am as old as I am. 334 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,120 So part of it, I think to myself, you've got to be a bit 335 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:33,280 careful here because when you think back to, if you think back 336 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,520 to when you were a child even. It was so different. 337 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:42,920 So different to my mind, as Christmas got close, there was a 338 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,280 sort of peace came that that didn't mean that everybody was 339 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,000 happy because Christmas has always been, you know, difficult 340 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,880 time for people, particularly people living rough or on the 341 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:01,520 streets. But there was Carol singing and 342 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,080 people did come around either organized or sometimes it was 343 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,760 children singing carols. And I just remember there was 344 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,440 this piece. And OK, I've lived most of my 345 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,080 life in the South of of England, so Christmas is not 346 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,960 automatically with snow, but if there was snow at Christmas, it 347 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,920 just added to it. And there was this peace 348 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:32,440 descended. And in recent years I've just 349 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,400 thought it's all changed. Christmas is not like Christmas, 350 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:42,400 but also this, this peaceful. The atmosphere is gone. 351 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,760 When when your lady said the kindness, I'm thinking, yes, 352 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,920 she's right, because the atmosphere is gone and the 353 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,520 kindness has gone as well. It's all been replaced by 354 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,440 increasingly horrible LED flashing lights. 355 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,520 So. So you might have had a house 356 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,360 festooned with them. I've. 357 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,360 Opened up a whole new conversation there because I'm 358 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:15,560 going back to basics, Brian. I've bought a record player, ACD 359 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,680 player. I've changed my car. 360 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,880 I don't want an electronic mess. I want a manual old. 361 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,880 Car. Yeah, well, yeah, this is really 362 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,920 good. Just finished the lights. 363 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,720 I, I absolutely. Now you see more and more houses 364 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,680 festooned with lights and more and more blue lights, which I've 365 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,400 never liked because I don't think they ever look right. 366 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,400 You know what, a Garland or something. 367 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,000 So as the technology is increased in the light 368 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,000 department, so the atmosphere of Christmas is lessened. 369 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,240 And it's, it's quite clear now that the idea of, of Christmas 370 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,000 being some form of Christian celebration, that's just 371 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,320 complete nonsense. It's gone, yeah. 372 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,720 I mean, yeah, I remember being at primary school and we'd make 373 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,320 snowflakes. We'd have a little Christmas 374 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,640 party. It was watch Christmas movies, 375 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,080 you know, it was all my. Well, I don't like to use the 376 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,000 word magical because of the connotations with. 377 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,400 It now but. But it was, it was special, you 378 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,280 know, Christmas time when I was a young girl and I remember it 379 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,640 with from memories definitely. Yeah, I know it's, it's very 380 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,320 interesting. And I think in my mind it's it's 381 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,840 being very cleverly wiped out by an agenda which is. 382 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,600 Yeah, absolutely. It's so insidious. 383 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,960 You don't notice it until you look back. 384 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,960 You know, just a little things like I went to a non 385 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,440 denomination school, but we still sang the Lord's Prayer at 386 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,680 assemblies and still celebrated harvest festival and visited 387 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,280 church and things like that. That's all gone, you know, and I 388 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:16,400 didn't notice it so much until I was like, oh, don't they do that 389 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,160 in Australia? You know, don't they do, you 390 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,960 know, harvest festival and things like that? 391 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:29,240 But as you know, as an immigrant, you don't question 392 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,200 things because it's you assimilate to a new culture and 393 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,400 way of life, you know? So you you've mentioned 394 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,280 interesting word there, immigrant immigration and you 395 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,320 are one. I am. 396 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,520 You are obviously. Well, not now. 397 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,360 I'm actually a New Zealand citizen. 398 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,120 Or an Australian citizen. No, I'm a New Zealand, I'm a 399 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,360 Kiwi. Well, I'm a dual citizen. 400 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,000 Living in Australia. Yeah, so Australia and New 401 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,920 Zealand are very closely aligned with their. 402 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,360 So if you're a Kiwi, you can work and live in Australia and 403 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,200 vice versa. They have reciprocal immigration 404 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,720 and healthcare and things like that. 405 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,800 OK, well what what I was going to ask is other migration in 406 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,560 into Australia has been pretty high over a large number of 407 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,280 years. So Australia is a society from I 408 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,280 think the way a lot of older Brits might remember it, you 409 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,240 know, which is predominantly white society, Crocodile Dundee 410 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,880 and all the rest of it. It's it's it's changed huge 411 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,360 amount. What about people who are are 412 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,640 also immigrants to Australia from other countries, maybe 413 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,080 Asian countries? Are you finding that any of 414 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,440 those are awake to to what's going on with the policy? 415 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,880 Wow. Maybe I can make it easier for 416 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,880 you because here in, in if for us locally, for the UK column 417 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,520 team locally, if you want to get an easy opinion from somebody 418 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,440 who's come in from another country, you just hop in a taxi 419 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,840 and they might be, you know, Romanian or Bangladeshi. 420 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,600 And you can invariably start a good conversation with them. 421 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,040 And, and I've got to say that if you talk to one who's 422 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,360 established as many of them are, so they will say, well, actually 423 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,960 it's my parents who came here and I, I, I, I was born in UK. 424 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,640 They are also getting very concerned about the way they're 425 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,840 seeing the country go. Yeah, it's funny you say that 426 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,520 because you just made me recall a conversation I had at the 427 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,040 beach. I was walking our dogs and there 428 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,240 was 3 elderly gentlemen actually having a discussion about 429 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,040 immigration that I overheard while I was walking. 430 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,960 And I actually joined in the conversation. 431 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,680 All I can say is, Brian, from my own experience of being an 432 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,960 immigrant, it's a very, the process that we went through 433 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,360 just to be transparent, you know, we had to have a full 434 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:23,400 medical, all the family, we had to, to have certain criteria and 435 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:32,320 points for our roles as well. Any family history of disease, 436 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,960 illness, they checked your bank accounts, your funds, you know, 437 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,800 everything is your, your police checks go back. 438 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,400 I think it's 10 years. So it's a highly involved 439 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,560 process going, you know, from initially from the UK to 440 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,480 Australia, it took months and months. 441 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:02,040 So, and as an immigrant, I think I've got a voice to say, you 442 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,640 know, we've been in New Zealand and on Australia and you do have 443 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:13,120 to assimilate into society and involve yourself with their 444 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200 culture and values and everything. 445 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:23,360 And it's sad to see that they call it diversity. 446 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:35,200 I think is the is the word that you know, for example, in, in my 447 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,480 job in recruitment, I have come across people who are unable to 448 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,320 talk and communicate. They've had translators with 449 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,520 them at interviews and things like that. 450 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,600 So there are issues. I thought to myself, well, if 451 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,400 you can't communicate, how, how do you how do you expect you're 452 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,080 going to get a job where you have to communicate? 453 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,920 How does that happen? I don't, I don't understand 454 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,280 because it's like setting someone up to fail. 455 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,880 How are they going to support themselves and their families, 456 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,880 you know, if they can't basically meet the criteria of 457 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,440 communication skills? So I for me, you know, if I, if 458 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,440 I look at UK or I look, you know, across other European 459 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,640 countries or even America, we see the same sorts of policies 460 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,720 coming in making the, having the say. 461 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,440 Those policies have the same effects in a country, whether 462 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,400 it's Germany or France or Italy. There's a creeping unification 463 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,400 of the policies that come in through the government, which 464 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,000 they're not shaping not only work and professional society 465 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,320 but also communities and how people relate to each other. 466 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,480 And yeah, I'll go back to our previous conversation with that. 467 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:07,800 It seems to me just like, you know, when in 2020 everybody was 468 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,160 in lockstep, so they're in lockstep with policy such as 469 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,920 digital ID, the CBDC's. Everybody's becoming more aware 470 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,360 of that now. Yeah, they all the Five Eyes 471 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:28,000 nations, Canada, Australia, UK that that they're all following 472 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,640 the same policies and implementing the same things. 473 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,480 And, and, and we should question that because again, it comes 474 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:43,320 back to culture and ethics. And you know, as AI consider 475 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:49,000 myself well researched now and aware and the things we should 476 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,800 be questioning is what is the purpose of governments? 477 00:33:55,080 --> 00:34:01,040 Because there's so much overreach now that it's never 478 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,920 ending. Where does this end? 479 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,920 You know, we have to question that. 480 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,800 Yeah. Is government the servant of the 481 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,639 people? Or is it? 482 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,480 Or is it the ruler of the people? 483 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,040 This is the key thing, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. 484 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:19,000 Yeah, and it's the same with gun laws and things like that. 485 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:26,520 And we all know an unarmed populace is not a threat, you 486 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,040 know, and that that's a fact, not a nice one to digest. 487 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,520 But common sense says, you know that. 488 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,560 Why are they bringing all these gun laws in and why are all 489 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,040 these shootings happening? What is going on? 490 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,840 Yes. It's true. 491 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:55,520 You know, it's, yeah, for me, I mean, as my experience of 492 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,360 government as a young woman growing up and travelling the 493 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,720 world, I used to be a flight attendant in my young years. 494 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:07,880 I don't know if I've told you that for Virgin Atlantic, Yeah. 495 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,560 There was no overreach that never interfered in my life. 496 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,520 Now it's never ending. And it's like, wow, how, how how 497 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,960 was all this happened? And it's, it's something we 498 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,680 should all be discussing and talking about and debating about 499 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,840 because history says the governments were there for the 500 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:36,200 infrastructure, you know, to take care of the roads and, you 501 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,840 know, and then taxes were implemented in the First World 502 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,280 War, which was a temporary measure. 503 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:43,920 Which has. Never gone. 504 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,200 We all know what happens to temporary measures. 505 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,160 It's never. It's never where we are now. 506 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,000 Yeah. Yeah, a creeping. 507 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,960 It's mission creep, isn't it? Mission creep by whatever hands 508 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,120 the control of the state has crept, ever become ever greater. 509 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,600 But it's a very slow process. Well, it's speeding up now, I 510 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,760 think. Accelerating is the word the 511 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,080 World Economic Forum. Yes, absolutely. 512 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,920 And and the good news about that is the fact it's accelerating 513 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,640 means it's easier for people to pick up that these changes are 514 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,080 happening. Yeah. 515 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,400 Yeah, but I do. I don't think people are 516 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,880 grasping what these changes are going to do. 517 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,960 No, they don't Unders. Yeah, they don't understand the 518 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,480 real dangers. Yeah. 519 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,920 So we've still got a job to do, Rachel. 520 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,040 Especially with the youngsters. This is. 521 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,360 Yeah, yeah. This is where we need to educate 522 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,920 youngsters on, you know, how you know it. 523 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,280 Technology is, it's like anything, Brian, isn't it? 524 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:55,240 It can be used for good or nefarious, you know, if you look 525 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,640 at the Internet, you know, you can do your research and 526 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,800 whatnot, but we all know that there's bad things on the 527 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,920 Internet If you if you wanted to go down that road, such as 528 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,640 pornography. And I'll just reiterate my point 529 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:13,480 there again is educating our children on that and the dangers 530 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,800 of, you know, social media and things like that. 531 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,880 That's what us as mums and dads should be doing and we should 532 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,120 be, we should be going back to basics. 533 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,760 You know, not everything should be digital. 534 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,320 You know, family should be sat around having dinner, talking 535 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:37,320 about the days, you know, back to basics for me, as I said, my 536 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,320 life's changed, Brian. I've, I've got a record player 537 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,760 now I've got ACD player. I've changed my car. 538 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,520 I've changed my life because it's it's an intentional thing 539 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,480 because I've realized that, you know, I don't want my music on 540 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,000 Spotify where I subscribe and get music. 541 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,760 It's a never ending cycle of renting a subscription. 542 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:08,080 I want to own my music. I want to own, you know, the 543 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,640 things that have like ACD player and a record player and it and 544 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,680 it comes down to privacy as well. 545 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,160 I've learned. But just the other day when I 546 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,000 was talking to the transport lady for Queen for Queensland 547 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,360 government, she sent me a link and I had to agree. 548 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,160 I can't remember the wording, but it was something about my 549 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:35,360 privacy was if I clicked agree, my privacy was not going to 550 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,600 happen. You know, it was going to go to 551 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,400 all these third parties. And I was like, and I rang her 552 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,400 back and I said I'm not going to click on agree. 553 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:51,520 My privacy is everything to me. So I'd rather do it analogue. 554 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,760 I said, can you send me something through the post what 555 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,240 I can, where I can fill in the form And that's what they've 556 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,200 done. So it's just I'm making myself 557 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,240 more aware and I'm not trying to be awkward. 558 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,600 It's my privacy. It's my life. 559 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,720 It's my integrity. You know, that you're 560 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,880 compromising if you're saying that I've no privacy. 561 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,360 What does that mean? Who? 562 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,880 Who's the third parties in this agreement that you've got? 563 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,200 And what, what are you going to do with the data that I send? 564 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,120 Are you going to send my age? What crime I'm supposed to have 565 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,000 done? And, you know, it's quite scary, 566 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,080 Yeah. But challenging in that 567 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,840 relatively simple way is very powerful. 568 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,560 And of course, if a lot more people did it, it would cause 569 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,960 huge problems across the system because all the agencies, tax or 570 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,440 local authorities or social services or education, they're 571 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,320 all trying to use these systems to to log data. 572 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,760 And if you challenge in that way. 573 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,880 Yeah, I was thankful that I actually got to speak to 574 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,480 somebody, you know, because we all know what it's like when 575 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,120 you, you know, you normally ring a government department and you, 576 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,560 you've got all these options and you put on hold forever and it's 577 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,360 difficult. But I was thankful that the lady 578 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,360 understand, understood. And, you know, she, she was 579 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,040 really sympathetic. You know, she understood. 580 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,840 Not only where I was coming from. 581 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,720 And it's. Yeah. 582 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,240 And another lady knocked on the door and they were doing a 583 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,040 survey. I can't remember what the survey 584 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,680 was. And she was stood at the door 585 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,560 and she said, oh, can I come in? I'm just doing a survey. 586 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,680 And I said, excuse me, no, this is my home. 587 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,600 I said I don't want people knocking on my door. 588 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,160 I'm working and also my privacy is everything and I really don't 589 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,120 want to do a survey. Thank you. 590 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,280 And and her face was like what she was, she was just 591 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,640 incredulous that I'd questioned her knocking on my door because 592 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,480 it's a normal thing for her to do. 593 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:10,120 I don't want that to be normal. I don't, you know, for people to 594 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,280 invade your privacy in that way, you know, if you. 595 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,680 Absolutely understand that. Definitely understand that. 596 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,480 Yeah. Rachel, it's coming up to the 597 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,200 top of the hour, which is what we're allowed to say. 598 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,560 So I, I, I'm going to oh so. Much more to talk about. 599 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,040 I got my book out for you. Oh, did you? 600 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,280 What? What else have you got there? 601 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,640 OK, so I'll run through this quickly. 602 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:47,000 So I on my pre previous interview we discussed when I 603 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:58,440 went to Wellington and I yeah, did a book I've also got just 604 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,400 going to show you quickly. Can you guess whose book this 605 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,640 is? So it must be Bob Moran's book. 606 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:12,120 Yeah, I got that last Christmas for a present, so that's nice. 607 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:15,600 So here it is. Yeah. 608 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:26,080 The truth, and I'm just going to show you a few. 609 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,040 This this is your book you've switched to Now for the 610 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,920 audience. Yeah, this is. 611 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,360 The These are all the quotes that you took from the people at 612 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,080 the big protest. Yeah, yeah. 613 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,360 So, so sorry, Rachel. You're telling us that that 614 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,960 book's finished now? Yes. 615 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,160 Right. Some quotes from the book. 616 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,360 The first signature is mine. Good. 617 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,840 And it was on the 17th of February 2022. 618 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,240 And I wrote when law becomes injustice, resistance becomes a 619 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:17,480 duty. And yeah, I mean, it's some some 620 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:27,480 of the comments is let's go so poignon and and raw Brian, you 621 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,520 know, just to read this book again and and look at it and 622 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,480 there's so much love in it. And Rachel, bless you. 623 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:43,160 Keep going with you all the way Nakuna Hirani liberty and 624 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:50,440 justice, freedom through Christ. We've got never fault. 625 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,880 This is for our children, for their future. 626 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,880 We will go on. Hold the line. 627 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,880 Love the atmosphere, love the people. 628 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,360 Bless the warriors of freedom for standing for all of 629 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,520 humanity. Love always winds. 630 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:11,680 Stay strong for our babies. Freedom is a choice. 631 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,880 Choose freedom. Love our tamaricki. 632 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:22,160 I've got the long pages from the Maori gentleman that I told you 633 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:28,600 about, that wrote about his ancestry and history and, oh, 634 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,920 there's so much in here. Yeah, it's it. 635 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,920 Yeah, it's. And one of them says let me be a 636 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,920 mum. And the demonstration itself or 637 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,040 the protest itself was in, where was it? 638 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,200 Wellington, In Wellington. Wellington. 639 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,360 Yeah. Well, maybe you need to, you 640 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,840 need to start another book now. You've started your life in 641 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,600 Australia, which is, you know, would be something like thoughts 642 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,640 of the present day. Yeah, I mean, I've got lots of 643 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:11,440 photos as well. You know, I met a cello player 644 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,840 there who played the We had a music tent. 645 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:19,440 There was a woman's 10A baby 10, an admin 10 food tent. 646 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:26,040 It was like a village, Brian, that was functioning with tents 647 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,280 and everybody got to know each other and every. 648 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,760 It was. Yeah. 649 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,640 I can't even. Yeah, begin to tell you about 650 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,400 that experience. But I don't think all of that 651 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,040 passion and enthusiasm, I, I don't think it's sort of 652 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,440 evaporated. I think it might have 653 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,680 dissipated, but all the people who were there are now their own 654 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,200 little islands talking to other people out in society. 655 00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,520 Yeah. You know, I, I think a lot of 656 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,200 people think, Oh yeah, but it's all over. 657 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,760 I don't see it like that because more people I talk to, the more 658 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:14,520 people I sense who are, who are awake or have woken up more. 659 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,840 And we just, we just need to keep pushing. 660 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,520 Absolutely. And as we, we said, it's the 661 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,800 youngsters we need to be focusing on, I think, you know, 662 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:32,440 educating them on, you know, their sovereignty and their, you 663 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:40,640 know, individuality as well, you know, whereby you're not labeled 664 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,520 as something, you know, there's so many labels now with 665 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:53,280 children, you know, ADHD and autism and I, there's so many 666 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,480 acronyms. I can't even recall them. 667 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,440 But I think it's sad, you know, they never had that in at 668 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,000 school, you know, when I was young labelling children with, 669 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,160 with, with these things, you know, as far as I'm concerned, 670 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,040 you know, nothing is A1 size fits all. 671 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,840 You know, school's not A1 size fits all. 672 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,400 Everybody has their own individuality, whether it be a 673 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,320 talent, you know, they could be creative or musical and we 674 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,160 should be nurturing that because that's what makes us human. 675 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,840 That's. What makes us this is where the 676 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,200 regimentation of schools is, you know, it creates a lot of the 677 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,200 problems. I, I agree with this, but we've 678 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:39,160 also got the situation where there are an increasing number 679 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,240 of children who've got difficulties that we've never 680 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:46,160 seen in the past. And, and one of the things going 681 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,040 on at the moment is of course, nobody wants to talk about this. 682 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,000 I, I know that I've got to guess now, but I'm going to say about 683 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,720 four years ago there was a teacher told us that in, in the 684 00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:03,240 South Wales primary schools, close to 50% of the children 685 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,320 that got some form of issue, whether it was autism or ADHD or 686 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,960 whatever it was. And that that wasn't a label, 687 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,480 that was just sort of a label put on that these children had 688 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,640 problems. And so school teacher was 689 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,000 telling us about this and she also said, and we, the staff 690 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,920 have been told we mustn't talk about it. 691 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,800 So all the questions about where are all these children with 692 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,080 problems or, you know, issues or they've been damaged in some 693 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,040 way, where they're coming from, we're not allowed to talk about 694 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,800 it. Yeah, I mean, I do remember 695 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,040 there was a group of young boys that this was when I was at 696 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,960 secondary school. It's just made me recall 697 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,600 something. When I was at secondary school, 698 00:48:53,600 --> 00:49:02,960 there were a group of young men, sorry, not boys, young men who 699 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,280 weren't very academic. And I remember, I remember them 700 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:19,920 being segregated in A room and I remember being very uneasy about 701 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:26,120 it because they weren't particularly disruptive. 702 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,480 They were just not academic. But they got segregated from 703 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:37,000 certain classes in A room and I used to sneak in and talk to 704 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:37,920 them. Well done. 705 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,280 I don't know why, it's just it just didn't sit well with me. 706 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:47,360 My my feeling on things like that is that I suspect that 707 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,080 those boys would have been young men, would have been the sort 708 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,880 who would have adapted to apprenticeships or starting to 709 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:01,440 do physical things and then still ultimately heading towards 710 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,880 skills, but they would have been hands on skills instead of 711 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,320 sitting in a classroom having lessons. 712 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:15,160 Yeah, I mean, I wasn't an academic at all. 713 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,200 I really struggled, you know, to get some results because I just, 714 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:27,680 I felt as a young girl and as a young woman, I just didn't 715 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,320 resonate, you know, with certain classes and things, you know, I 716 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,400 just, it just didn't do it, do anything for me. 717 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,000 And I really, really struggled to see those boys segregated. 718 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,200 For whatever reason. That was the only thing I came 719 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,040 across at school that sat uneasy with me. 720 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:53,160 I mean, I remember the teachers being, you know, really loving 721 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:58,960 the work, and it showed, you know, I love drama, believe it 722 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,160 or not. Yeah. 723 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,160 Yeah. Yeah. 724 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,440 My classes. Yeah. 725 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,640 Yeah, I've got to say I need to go because I not only have I got 726 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,040 UK column news for tomorrow to get going on, but I've also got 727 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,160 a video which I'm desperately trying to finish editing so I 728 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,880 have enough on my plate today. No switching off for you BJ. 729 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,480 Well, I, I, I'm trying to do that more, but there's still, 730 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,800 there's still a lot of stuff for me to do And I, I actually enjoy 731 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,240 working from home because it gives you the rest of both 732 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:38,400 worlds. But yeah, there's quite a bit 733 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,960 that I, I need to get done before tomorrow morning. 734 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,000 So I need to say gently I probably. 735 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,640 Should Yeah, we've been on for a good hour or so and I've just 736 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,600 wanted to show you that I've still got my badges and my 737 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,560 lovely water. Bottle. 738 00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,720 That you kindly gave me. And yeah, I mean, there's so 739 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:05,920 much more I could talk about. Well, you know, Rachel, I'd, I'd 740 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,520 love to talk to you more and, and also, you know, if, if you 741 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,200 were encouraged enough to do a regular slot talking about, you 742 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,440 know, what's going on in Australia, that that would be 743 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,080 fantastic. So why don't we, why don't we 744 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:28,440 say I, I will send you an e-mail or whatever and maybe get 745 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,280 together again and have a little bit more of a, just have a 746 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,600 private focus discussion on what, you know, what you might 747 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,480 like to do. But I, I would love to be 748 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,120 getting more because during lockdown we got lots of news 749 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,240 from Australia and, and New Zealand and there were lots of 750 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,920 people talking to us and, and a lot of that's gone quiet now. 751 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,400 And you know, so I'm. Keep that dialogue going. 752 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,560 Yeah, I think so, yeah. And, you know, there are things 753 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,640 that I want to do. You know, I'm going to continue 754 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:09,440 with the tiny homes and also start a book group and things 755 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,800 like that. Yeah, there's just so much to 756 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,160 talk about, Brian. I've got, I've got so much 757 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,920 paperwork here that I haven't even showed you and we haven't. 758 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:24,400 Yeah, you have a think about what you've got and we we have 759 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,400 another conversation and and we'll let's have a talk about 760 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,320 that. Instead of doing it for an 761 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,400 audience, we'll do it with a view to how we could present it 762 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,520 or, you know, how we could cover the issue. 763 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,000 Yeah, absolutely. As I say, I think we're both 764 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,080 aware that it's all happening in the Five Eyes nations. 765 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,680 And so you know, we're very closely aligned with what what 766 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,280 is going on with policies and things like that. 767 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,400 And they're just doing it in different words and ways and 768 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,160 giving it different terminologies at the minute and 769 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,040 finding different ways to do it so. 770 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,400 OK, that's fine. Rachel. 771 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,360 It's been really great talking to you. 772 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,560 I have some other work to do today, not least because I've 773 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,200 got Auk column news coming up tomorrow, but it's been really 774 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,720 great to catch up, love to have another conversation with you, 775 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,440 deeper, deeper conversation about what's happening in 776 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,280 Australia. So if you're up for that, that 777 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,760 would be really good. But I've really enjoyed our chat 778 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,600 today. It's been been great. 779 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,160 Yeah, likewise, Brian. It's great to catch up again and 780 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,280 there's so much going on. I don't think we've really 781 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,640 scratched the surface. But yeah, I'll keep in touch 782 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:45,440 with UK column and keep up the fantastic work that you do and 783 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,040 hopefully we'll speak again in the near future and wish you all 784 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,040 well in these trying times. In a trying 2026.