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Good afternoon. 
It's Friday the 12th of 

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September 2025, just after 1:00 
and welcome to UK Column News. 

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I'm your host, Mike Robinson. 
My Co host in the studio today 

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is Patrick Hennigsen. 
Welcome to the program, Patrick.

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Great to be with you, Mike. 
And journalist Mark Anderson 

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joins us by video link from the 
United States. 

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Later in the program. 
Patrick and I are going to be 

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reporting on the fallout from 
the Charlie Kirk killing. 

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And Mark's going to cover the 
visit to the UK and particularly

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Chatham House by Israeli 
President Herzog. 

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But we're going to begin today 
with, well, of course, who else 

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but Peter Mandelson, because 
everyone will. 

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As everyone will know by now, 
Peter Mandelson has been removed

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as EU KS Ambassador to the 
United States. 

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And of course, we should 
remember this is the third time 

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he's been sacked from a 
government role. 

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So he was ambassador to the 
United States. 

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He is no more. 
It is all collapsed in a heap 

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now. 
The reason this time, according 

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to the Foreign Office, was that 
the release by the US House 

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Oversight Committee of a batch 
of emails revealed what they 

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called additional information 
that was materially different 

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from what was previously 
understood about Madelson's 

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relationship with Jeffrey 
Epstein. 

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Well, have a look at that claim 
in a moment. 

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But in the meantime, Keir 
Starmer, of course, has 

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attempted to distance himself 
from the whole debacle. 

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But if we remember back at when 
Mandelson was appointed, the 

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statement from #10 was the fact 
the Prime Minister has chosen to

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make a political appointment and
sent Lord Madelson to Washington

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shows how importantly we see our
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administration. 
Could that be because they 

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recognize the the, the similar 
activities, the similar alleged 

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activities, we should say, 
between Madelson and Trump? 

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Yes, not the Trump 
administration. 

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Or is it the Epstein 
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Well, good question, The 
statement at the time went on to

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say we're sending someone close 
to the Prime Minister with 

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unrivalled political and policy 
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crucial issue of trade. 
He's the ideal candidate. 

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Is that the trade in children? 
Street trade, probably, but you 

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could be that, Mike. 
Ideal candidate to represent EU 

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KS economic and security 
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And of course, if your security 
interests are guaranteed through

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blackmail, then perhaps that is 
sort of. 

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I mean, these are all 
allegations. 

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Of course, we've got no evidence
whatsoever. 

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I'm sure none of these dots 
connect Mike. 

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None. 
None. 

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Now let's come back to modern 
day and well, first of all, here

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we have this Sky report. 
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saying that security services 
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appointment of Mandelson, but 
#10 did not judge them serious 

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enough to block his path to 
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Now, the claim from the Starmer 
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involved in the security vetting
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and his official spokesperson 
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carried out by government 
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of roles are only filled subject
to vetting checks being done. 

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They didn't say anything about 
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just that the vetting checks 
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But getting back to the idea 
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released emails provide any 
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information, let's remember that
in 2022, AJP Morgan report, 

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originally written in 2019, 
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documents for the first time. 
JP Morgan had written this 

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report because of their its 
relationship with Epstein. 

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Now, sadly, that report doesn't 
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it was cited in multiple media 
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Guardian here. 
And they they quoted saying that

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this internal report had found 
that Epstein appeared to 

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maintain a particularly close 
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Andrew and the Duke of York and 
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Mandelson, a senior member of 
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And they went on to say that 
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banker, Jeff Stanley on 17th of 
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Mandelson say that Peter will be
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weekend. 
Do you want to organize either 

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you or you and Jimmy quietly Up 
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So clearly the connections there
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And I don't think that there was
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batch of emails that added aside
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that he considered Epstein his 
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bring any new information to the
table. 

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So, Patrick, it seems pretty 
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was materially different. 
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problem there, Mike, is the just
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mean, that was fleshed out to 
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embarrassing. 
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as a result of that involving 
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Staley himself somewhat 
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But to fact you throw Mandelson 
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Epstein and all the things that 
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emails is quite harrowing in 
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I mean, what exactly are they 
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And the picture that shocked me 
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shopping with Mandelson, you 
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cravat ties. 
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shopping like this together, 
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usual thing, you see, is it? 
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having a close relationship, 
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chummy. 
Let's just say or say very close

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mates a good. 
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Mileson, always released since 
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couple of years has been 
complaining that he regrets ever

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being introduced by Glenn 
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But anyway. 
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Yeah, I know that. 
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But look, yesterday someone 
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connections to Epstein were too 
hard to handle, is Trump, who 

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seems to be suffering the same 
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invited for a state visit when 
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answer on his connections to 
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Well, let's just remind 
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see because, Oh yes, it's that 
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Jeffrey Epstein to stay at 
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Really. 
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Was that the same man that 
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Secretary, we're just, we're 
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Exactly. 
We've got exactly that, that 

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article from the Guardian. 
Jimmy Savile invited guests to 

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royal party on Prince Charles 
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Yes, exactly that guy. 
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out that Mandelson wasn't sacked
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Well, in fact, many believe that
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questions to answer over the 
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So if we take that little 
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King Charles and Starmer and 
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be that they're all part of the 
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Well, you know, one might ask 
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thing you said it was third time
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Yes. 
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times. 
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post more than once is do you 
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peerage? 
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Is that how it works? 
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Exactly how I was. 
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qualification process, but thank
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Up. 
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But before we get all smug that 
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remind ourselves who the new 
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And well, maybe the grass isn't 
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that case. 
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move on to international 
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And we did. 
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in passing on Wednesday's 
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Well, this is, I think, I think 
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slightly. 
Here, we'll bring this headline 

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up on screen here. 
The UN Security Council now kind

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of in turmoil in the sense of 
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over their deadly strike on 
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So the Israelis have attacked 
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Hamas political delegation. 
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in negotiations with 
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lots of things like ceasefires 
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hostages. 
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Palestinian hostages, which they
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9000 of those. 
That's not a popular topic in 

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America, but this is the 
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We've seen this with everything 
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US would would have probably 
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loop on the intelligence loop on
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OK, negotiations are taking 
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This happened with Ukraine, 
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sneak attack against Russia, the
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were in the within Oman 
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know, impasse with the nuclear 
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against the Iranians. 
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negotiations with Israel and 
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assassinate the counterparty. 
So this, this is how I mean, who

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would want to go into 
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Israel at this point? 
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attacked or they'll try to take 
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with across the table. 
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what's going on here. 
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Trump statement here. 
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read a few sentences of this 
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The Trump administration was 
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Israel was attacking Hamas in 
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was located in the section of 
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This decision was made by 
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It was not a decision made by me
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Qatar, sovereign nation, close 
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working very hard and bravely 
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peace does not advance the 
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And and he goes on, he's talking
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hard and so forth. 
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No condemnation. 
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humiliation. 
The only thing missing from this

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picture is, you know, a GIMP 
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Quite frankly, this is just for 
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This is total humiliation. 
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his knees and totally 
prostrating himself at the altar

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of the Israeli lobby. 
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humiliating. 
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this the president can do, but 
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he was. 
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news clip here. 
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foreign ministers here talking 
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This will tell you basically 
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You don't we. 
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Let's try again. 
This is theater. 

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That's that's what they call it.
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express he needs to be brought 
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He's the one who's wanted to the
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That's number one. 
So I think that someone like him

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trying to lecture the war about 
the law, he's he's breaking 

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every law he's breaking. 
He broke every international 

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law. 
He's a starving people in 

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Russia. 
He's doing all these rogue 

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actions in the entire region. 
What's next? 

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What's next for him? 
I mean, I honestly, I have no 

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words to express how rage we are
from such an if you could just 

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run. 
And I say to Qatar and all 

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nations who harbor terrorists, 
you either expel them or you 

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bring them to justice, because 
if you don't, we will. 

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I mean, set it right there, 
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So no one to negotiate with. 
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anybody. 
Any potential leader we'll kill 

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or imprison. 
So there'll be negotiation. 

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So that's where things are at. 
I think this is really, I didn't

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think there could be an all time
low Mike, but they've they've 

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outdone themselves, the Israelis
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Well, in the meantime then, of 
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Wednesday, but this claim of 
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within Polish sovereign 
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And a a major crisis for NATO. 
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investigation on this MIC and I 
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idea of where things are at. 
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Poland, the downed drones. 
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consultations here. 
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from Belarusian airspace rather 
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That is a confirmed fact. 
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that you don't read much, or at 
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the Western media here. 
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evidence via official state 
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drones were identified as 
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in the media, including The 
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in the background, which we 
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showed the initial image. 
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Russian forces have successfully
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facilities in western Ukraine. 
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targeting to the West of 
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problems at NATO headquarters 
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This is all part of the plan for
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So let's take a look at where we
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Well, this is what the great and
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Mike Kaliakalis, whether it was 
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reckless. 
This is absolutely dangerous 

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here. 
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intentional or not, it's 
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It's dangerous. 
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same thing, reckless and 
unprecedented violent violation 

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of Polish airspace's Vanderline.
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Starmer and Zelensky and Macron.
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there, Russia conducted an 
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violation of the Polish 
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statements from everybody. 
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Russia must put an end to this 
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but well, we'll get some 
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giving the Polish military an 
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drones. 
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You didn't read that in on the 
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Oh, and it gets better. 
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confirming that some of them had
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respond promptly to the threat. 
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was one of the spokespeople from
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the approach of unidentified 
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Ukraine. 
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aircraft. 
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here from this. 
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that's the map there. 
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tri-state, Tri national border 
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And this is the the site there 
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very close to Ukraine as well. 
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Mike, here, by the way, the 
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major airports as a result of 
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But it's perfectly plausible as 
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November 2022 when there was 
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that fell into Polish territory.
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it and said it was a Russian 
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some kind of an Article 5 
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And all sudden we find out that 
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thing was de escalated. 
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same things here. 
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panicking because Russia has 
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attacks against arms 
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western Ukraine. 
That's really what this is 

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Well, sticking on this topic, we
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because it's fantastic news, 
that the Starmer regime has done

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a deal, sorry, with the United 
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closer defence ties. 
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government is saying that 
working people will be more 

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secure. 
As the UK Armed Forces prepare 

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for the new era of threats with 
a major deal with Google Cloud 

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for the latest security 
technology strengthening 

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collaboration between the UK and
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that they use is absolutely 
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The partnership means that the 
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Google Cloud, including AI, data
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were used by Defence 
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specialists to share secure 
information between our partners

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and out compete our adversaries.
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contract. 
It's going to deliver what they 

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claim to be a key recommendation
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Review for a digital integrated 
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It's going to provide resilient 
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And John Healy said that today's
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an engine for growth, supporting
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Vibrant British tech startup 
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So this once again is being 
justified that jobs are are 

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going to be created as a result 
of the war narrative. 

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But unfortunately, people got a 
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But let's head over to the 
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very briefly get your thoughts 
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And that was the news that 
Donald Trump has issued yet 

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another executive order. 
This was and he began by saying 

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this in his executive order on 
August the 7th. 

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Seventeen, 89236 years ago, 
President George Washington 

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signed into law a bill 
establishing the United States 

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Department of War to oversee the
operation and maintenance of 

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military and naval affairs. 
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Department of War, more than the
current Department of Defence, 

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ensures peace through strength 
as it demonstrates our ability 

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and willingness to fight and win
wars on behalf of our nation at 

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a moment's notice, not just to 
defend. 

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And he went on in the executive 
order to say, I've therefore 

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determined that this department 
should once again be known as 

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the Department of War and the 
secretary should be known as the

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Secretary of War. 
I don't know what your thoughts 

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are. 
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thoughts are on that. 
It's it's very clear that they 

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have moved from a purely 
defensive footing onto an 

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aggressive offensive footing. 
But not it just rhetorically 

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offensive that's taking us back 
150 years. 

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So this is this is classic 
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Basically, we need to get back 
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We need to go to the golden age.
This is classic is a 

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reactionary, political 
reactionary and fascist. 

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Language this is these are 
fascist proclivities. 

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It's just blows my mind like the
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those years with Trump 
Derangement syndrome. 

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He was a fascist before he was 
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He's now actually doing he's 
actually now doing fascism and 

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the left is just paralytic. 
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responding or not responding any
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I think they've just shot all of
their rounds on fake scandals 

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during the Russia gate period 
and now you have a real problem,

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right? 
I think why would you name it 

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the Department of War if you 
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Simple question. 
Very good question. 

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But anyway, coming back to the 
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Starmer regime has officially 
stood up the Cyber and Special 

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Operations Command to be led by 
this man, Sir Jim Hockenhill. 

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Hockenhall, sorry, he gave a 
keynote speech to the Defence 

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and Security Equipment 
International 2025 conference a 

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couple of days ago and he said 
that last week on behalf of the 

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Secretary of State for Defence 
and the Chief of the Defence 

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Staff, we officially stood up 
the Cyber and specialist 

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Operations Commander today. 
I want to set out the 

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implications of what that change
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So what are the implications? 
Well, this is yet another regime

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agency to deal with this 
information. 

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He made that point very clearly,
which he claims is used as a 

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weapon, eroding cohesion, a 
cohesion at home and sowing 

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doubt abroad. 
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The mission of this new agency 
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specialist capabilities ready to
fight across all domains, they 

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say, to make the United Kings 
secure at home and strong 

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abroad. 
So this is the integrated 

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operating concept that we've 
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the last few years since the 
previous defence review. 

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So this is it in action. 
Home is as much a theatre for 

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operations for these people as 
abroad is, and therefore the 

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British people are viewed by 
this government as much of an 

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enemy as the Taliban is, and 
this is really an unprecedented,

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unprecedented situation. 
A war on free speech. 

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A war on opinions, A war on 
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Anything that could be labeled 
as, quote, Russian 

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disinformation or the viewpoint 
of the enemy. 

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You know what happened to the, 
the remember those great green 

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jobs all those years? 
Those have been replaced with 

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great defence jobs or Great War 
jobs if you're in America. 

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Well, if you're in Britain as 
well, although we haven't 

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overtly said it yet, but Mark, 
let me welcome you to the 

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program and back in the staying 
in the UK for a second. 

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And well, we had a visitor this 
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indeed. 
Good day, gentlemen. 

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I, I was putting my other news 
together and I got on Chatham 

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House's mailing list recently to
make sure I don't miss anything.

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And of course, Israeli President
Isaac Herzog spoke to the Royal 

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Institute of International 
Affairs, AKA Chatham House, 

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September 10th. 
And it was interesting as I 

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started watching the video, he 
was interviewed by the Chatham 

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House director, Bronwyn Maddox. 
And, you know, you normally 

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think of these globalist 
organizations and we're and 

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we're rightly suspicious of many
of their machinations. 

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You normally think of them as 
more or less pro Israel. 

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But as we've seen in other 
avenues, at other think tanks 

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now, Chatham House has taken a 
little bit more of a questioning

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approach to the Israeli machine.
And this video we're about to 

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show shows that there's 
considerable skepticism of the 

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Israeli point of view on Gaza 
and related matters. 

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Well, let's go ahead and watch 
this. 

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It's quite revealing as well. 
Struck Qatar hoping to kill the 

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Hamas leaders, but they're there
with US knowledge and 

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endorsement and are the 
negotiators for a potential 

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ceasefire. 
So should we conclude that 

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Israel does not want such a 
ceasefire? 

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What Israel wants most is to 
bring back the hostages and the 

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key to changing the entire Vista
of the region and the future of 

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the region and getting out of 
this horrific situation which 

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we've endured for the last two 
years is getting the hostages 

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back home. 
Today, two hostages. 

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These are Gali and Ziff Berman, 
two brothers, 28 year old, 

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they're from Kibbutz Farazza. 
They this is a picture of them 

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touring Britain and they are 
wonderful, wonderful brothers 

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who have been abducted and 
kidnapped and their fate is 

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unclear since October 7th, so 
many countries, many, many 

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countries. 
President Herzog have called for

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the release of the hostages for 
Hamas to return them. 

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But the hostage families seem 
dismayed by this attack on 

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Qatar, saying that Israel is 
destroying the negotiations that

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might have brought a ceasefire. 
So let's speak about the 

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negotiations to bring back the 
hostages. 

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Israel has accepted every 
proposal and almost for the last

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year or so, every proposal that 
was laid down by the mediators. 

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Israel has accepted the the 
whole notion that was led by the

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United States, including with 
other other parties, meaning the

460
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,440
Qataris and the Egyptians. 
And then we were faced time and 

461
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:35,080
time again with either a refusal
or endless procrastination by 

462
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,360
Hamas, for example, in the last 
few months. 

463
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,800
You're probably going to ask me 
also about the humanitarian 

464
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,280
situation because the way as it 
happens, I am, but I have to 

465
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:50,000
answer because of the the 
Hamas's feeling that they had 

466
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,320
the upper hand publicly in their
image wall. 

467
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,840
They decided not to move on any 
proposal. 

468
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,440
As you can see, Mr. Herzog was 
put on the grill pretty, pretty 

469
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,760
well at at least in terms of 
Chatham House being more 

470
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,520
aggressive than they normally 
would be to get some information

471
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,680
out of him. 
Of course, his his statements 

472
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,360
that Israel has been right on, 
right on top of this, you know, 

473
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,000
trying to honor all the 
agreements and that it's 

474
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,640
blameless are, are just not 
believable statements 

475
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,520
whatsoever. 
And but it's good to see this 

476
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,720
coming from the Royal Institute.
I also just got this information

477
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:35,160
that Chatham House is continuing
an intensified focus on the 

478
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,960
Israeli Palestinian conflict 
with its long standing Middle 

479
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,320
East program, as Chatham House 
is calling it. 

480
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,640
And it talks about they've 
hosted Mr. Herzog and they've 

481
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:51,360
hosted Yasi Bailin, Hussam 
Zamlot and other relevant 

482
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,760
Israeli officials and mainly 
Israeli officials anyway. 

483
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,440
And these engagements, they say 
at Chatham House reflect our 

484
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,360
core purpose to support informed
debate. 

485
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,040
And Branwyn Maddox, the lady 
that we just saw is coming out 

486
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,400
in favor of Palestinians, 
Palestinian statehood, she's 

487
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,480
saying in the official Chatham 
House statements. 

488
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,560
So these are some interesting 
developments. 

489
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,360
Maybe you guys want to comment 
from here. 

490
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,280
But this just happened and it 
was very important to get this 

491
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,760
out there. 
Thank you. 

492
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,360
Mark, what are your thoughts? 
Well, Isaac Herzog is really the

493
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,520
chief propagandist of the 
Israel. 

494
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,920
They push him out to push all of
the crazy stuff. 

495
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,840
He's that's his, that's 
basically his job. 

496
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,160
It's, it's a, it's a not a very 
powerful position in the Israeli

497
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,800
political government, but he has
been tasked with basically 

498
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,200
pushing most crazy stories and 
propaganda ever since October 

499
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,200
7th. 
So it's no no surprise seeing 

500
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,200
him squirm in his chair there 
when asked some really basic 

501
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,840
questions. 
He was too much for him. 

502
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,160
But what's Craig Murray been up 
to? 

503
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,200
Well, he was protesting the the 
arrival of Isaac Herzog and the 

504
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,120
fact that he was meeting I think
probably with the British Prime 

505
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,240
Minister Keir Starmer. 
We got some some video of this 

506
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,120
actually. 
Take a look. 

507
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:28,200
Murray heckling the motorcade of
the Israeli president here. 

508
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,160
And in his own defense, Craig 
basically comments here. 

509
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,720
Hertzog is in the blue Range 
Rover. 

510
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,960
Somebody kindly caught this 
video of me at Chatham House and

511
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,920
put it out on Instagram. 
I am normally such a mild 

512
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,240
mannered person, says Craig 
Murray. 

513
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,360
And he is a very mild mannered 
gentleman, Craig Murray. 

514
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,200
So to get Craig out basically 
haranguing visiting heads of 

515
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,800
state, I mean, that really takes
something. 

516
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,880
But those are the times we live 
in. 

517
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,360
Indeed. 
OK, let's move on. 

518
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,960
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521
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527
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530
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538
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OK, Let's move on then to the 

539
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,040
situation in the United States 
over the last couple of days 

540
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,960
with Charlie Kirk, because, 
well, obviously his body has now

541
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,120
been brought home and well, 
apparently with full state 

542
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,560
honours to some degree, Patrick,
because, well, who's that at the

543
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,240
front of the coffin there? 
It's like the vice president, JD

544
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Vance it. 
Is indeed so he's he was very 

545
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,680
keen to be seen at the front of 
the coffin putting it on, 

546
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,320
helping to load it onto the 
plane. 

547
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,280
And. 
But what I'm particularly 

548
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,440
concerned about really is the 
rhetoric that's coming out 

549
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000
around this. 
But before we get on to that, 

550
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,280
let's just look at some of the 
BBC coverage of this. 

551
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,000
So the shootings there, there 
had been two previous suspects 

552
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,760
which were who were considered 
persons of interest by the FBI, 

553
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,840
but have been released again, 
there's now this new video has 

554
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,880
appeared and new photographs 
have appeared. 

555
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,040
So here's the BBC footage of it.
And I just wanted to to look at 

556
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600
some of the photographs here. 
So there's there's one of them, 

557
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,320
the most recent images released 
in search for the gunman. 

558
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,760
There's another one. 
There's a third one. 

559
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,440
There seems to be something 
missing there. 

560
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480
Patrick, can you see what it is?
Well, beside the fact that the 

561
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,560
images they've chosen don't have
the face in it, I'm sure there's

562
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,400
plenty of other images that have
the face. 

563
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,760
They they're not showing the 
face. 

564
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,120
That's one thing I noticed. 
But there's another thing. 

565
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,440
If this is the shooter, wouldn't
he be carrying the weapon? 

566
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,320
Well, indeed so. 
So there doesn't seem to be a 

567
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,480
gun. 
And this is this is very 

568
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,840
strange. 
Even in the video clip that they

569
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,440
released of of someone in black 
jumping off the roof of the 

570
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,160
building and running across the 
street towards the little wooded

571
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,000
area where allegedly the firearm
was found. 

572
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,040
Doesn't seem to be carrying a 
firearm. 

573
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,320
He seemed to be carrying the 
backpack that that you that we 

574
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,920
saw on on that image there, but 
he didn't seem to be carrying a 

575
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,200
firearm. 
So it could be very confusing. 

576
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,920
It could be in the backpack. 
It could if it was a multi piece

577
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,280
disassembly. 
Which it wasn't. 

578
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Which it wasn't. 
It wasn't. 

579
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,480
That's the only option I can 
think of there. 

580
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,320
Otherwise, it's a big gaping 
hole in the story. 

581
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,480
Well, it seems to me at the 
moment, but in the meantime, the

582
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,520
thing that really struck me was 
the language being used on 

583
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,880
social media. 
So let's just look at some of 

584
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,080
the examples of it. 
This is somebody saying 

585
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Philadelphia school teacher on 
the left. 

586
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,680
I need my my detectives to find 
out who this scumbag is and get 

587
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,480
him fired because the guy is 
wearing AT shirt that says is he

588
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,160
dead yet? 
Now whether that is a legitimate

589
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,960
photograph or not, I don't know.
But the but the, the, the point 

590
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,040
here is the, the vitriol that is
coming out from people that are 

591
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,040
pro Charlie Kirk and people that
are clearly anti Charlie Kirk. 

592
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,320
It's just off the charts. 
If we move on here, another 

593
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,360
scumbag here talking about 
Florida Democrat Steve Cody 

594
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,800
marks Charlie Kirk's death. 
There's I saw a huge amount of 

595
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,200
mocking of the thing. 
There's no question that that 

596
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,240
was going on. 
It's the way that people are 

597
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,200
being radicalized here, which I 
think is of major concern. 

598
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,720
The patriots and tick Tock are 
old are taking all scumbag 

599
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,960
Democrats on tick tick tock 
down. 

600
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,840
So we got to start to see 
stronger language here taking 

601
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,520
people down. 
And then we see the scumbag. 

602
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,520
Sorry, we're surrounded by pure 
evil. 

603
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,360
This scumbag is laughing and 
celebrating the assassination of

604
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,080
Charlie Cook Kirk. 
Sorry, we're at war and whether 

605
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,360
we like it or not. 
So we're now getting the war 

606
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,440
narrative here. 
But it's not just people on 

607
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,000
social media that are using 
very, very strong language. 

608
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:43,160
And in fact, a, a, a well known 
voice in the alternative media 

609
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,400
scene in the UK is speaking out 
against one particular person in

610
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,320
the United States, and that is 
David Icke talking about Alex 

611
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,520
Jones and really being quite 
critical of Alex Jones's 

612
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640
coverage. 
This just one, this is his pen 

613
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,600
tweet today. 
David Icke's pen tweet today 

614
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,480
featuring one of Alex Jones 
tweets, but this one is quite 

615
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,120
stronger. 
You know, alternative media RIP 

616
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,520
is what David Icke is saying. 
So look, I just wanted to to 

617
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,480
very briefly, Patrick, play a 
little bit of some of what Alex 

618
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,760
Jones has been saying in the 
last day or two and just have a 

619
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,800
listen to this and then we can 
have a chat about it. 

620
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,000
The Democrats just killed 
Charlie Kirk today. 

621
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,760
They're desperate. 
They're losing. 

622
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,239
They want to intimidate you and 
me and everybody else. 

623
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,000
And the left is everywhere 
celebrating him. 

624
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,400
They're so happy. 
They had witches in groups 

625
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,000
cursing him in the week before. 
They had people in Utah 

626
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,120
releasing a song a month ago 
about killing him. 

627
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,760
We'll get to all of that. 
But the reason it's a shot heard

628
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,560
around the world is he came out 
a few days ago with the murder 

629
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,480
of the Ukrainian 23 year old 
refugee and the left trying to 

630
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,600
cover up. 
It was racially motivated. 

631
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,560
The killer says. 
I got that white girl and they 

632
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,640
said he's the bad guy, he's the 
fascist, he's Hitler. 

633
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,600
So Charlie Kirk will live 
forever and God bless his family

634
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,000
and everything he's done. 
But the left everywhere, 

635
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,440
literally celebrating this just 
shows you how sick these people 

636
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,720
are. 
They want you dead because 

637
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,120
you're not a Satanist, you're 
not a pedophile, you're not a 

638
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,080
globalist, and they're not going
to stop. 

639
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,320
So you can't roll over the 
political correctness. 

640
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,040
You can't hope they just go 
away. 

641
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,280
You've got to stand up against 
them culturally, economically, 

642
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,560
spiritually. 
Right now, he went on to then 

643
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,800
say people need to stand for 
office to counteract the left. 

644
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,520
But the, the, the language 
that's being used here, call it 

645
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,680
basically blanket calling all, 
everybody on the left, Satanists

646
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,520
and paedophiles, that they're 
all out to kill anybody on the 

647
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,040
right. 
This is really dangerous 

648
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,920
language in my opinion. 
And you know, all that is going 

649
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,600
to do is drive people further 
and further to the extremes. 

650
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,080
You know, I, I think in the UK 
and the United States in 

651
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,040
particular at the moment, we're 
seeing a massive effort to pit 

652
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,560
people against each other, 
Patrick, to the point of 

653
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,880
significant violence. 
And I think that that it's a 

654
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,240
really dangerous situation, 
situation at the building. 

655
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920
It is no matter what you think 
about the Charlie Kirk's 

656
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,040
killing, which you know is 
disgraceful in and of itself. 

657
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,920
Well, first of all, the, the, 
you know, the, the accusation 

658
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,440
from the right and from Alex 
Jones is that the left is 

659
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,800
radicalized, woke ISM is out of 
control, but they are themselves

660
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,320
radicalizing. 
The reaction to woke ISM, anti 

661
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,720
woke ISM has become radicalized 
and Alex is dog whistling to go 

662
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,800
out and fight and then he's 
saying, but do it peacefully, 

663
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,040
you know, kind of thing. 
But he is obviously dog 

664
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,480
whistling there. 
So they they're both sides have 

665
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,000
been radicalized and this is not
by accident. 

666
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,600
And the right is basically 
claiming to be the victim. 

667
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,200
They're so they're trying to 
repurpose these events. 

668
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,880
We'll talk about the Ukrainian 
refugee stabbing in a moment. 

669
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,960
But when you look at this is 
interesting because, you know, 

670
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,560
whatever, whatever you, there's 
no proof that the left is behind

671
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,000
the shooting. 
And a lot of the accounts that 

672
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,600
are gloating that you showed 
about Charlie Kirk's death are 

673
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,440
anonymous accounts. 
The biggest, some of the biggest

674
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,040
anonymous accounts on X. 
These are people that are so 

675
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,560
cowardly they can't even put 
their name on their account. 

676
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,440
And then they're the ones 
rallying up and amping up. 

677
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,200
And Elon also boosts some of 
these accounts as well if they 

678
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,800
happen to agree with with Elon 
as well. 

679
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,240
So. 
Can I, can I just make a point 

680
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:43,040
on this briefly because, you 
know, Alex Jones has lost 

681
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,040
significantly because of his 
claims about a certain shooter 

682
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,520
event, school shooting event, 
Sandy Hook, right? 

683
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:54,600
In which where he was saying 
that the story from the 

684
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,880
mainstream press and from the 
FBI and so on was fake. 

685
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,720
In this case, if if a story 
comes out saying that the left 

686
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,560
was responsible or a 
representative of somebody who 

687
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,240
considered themselves on the 
left or. 

688
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:10,960
Trans shooter or something? 
Right. 

689
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,640
If that, if that is the 
statement from the FBI or from 

690
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,440
the mainstream press, what will 
Alex Jones say at that point? 

691
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,520
Will he will he say that that's 
also fake, or will he say that 

692
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,560
that's real? 
Well, the trend on the right is 

693
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680
they'll go with whatever story 
happens to align with their own 

694
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,000
political bent on this. 
So they would he would say that 

695
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,480
the official story is true. 
So again, it's it's baffling 

696
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,840
that people that, you know, like
know about false flag attacks, 

697
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,680
who pioneered educating people 
on false flag attacks will then 

698
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,600
jump to a run with a political 
narrative that's basically, you 

699
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,920
know, incendiary. 
So let's let's just look at some

700
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,280
of them, the media coverage on 
this mic, because I think it's 

701
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,560
interesting here, we'll bring 
this up on screen. 

702
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,280
This is the blaze, the whole 
front page, It's Charlie Kirk. 

703
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Charlie Kirk. 
This is at least 20 or 30 

704
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,640
stories. 
This is Glenn Beck's media 

705
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,720
outlet here. 
Charlie, why the Charlie Kirk 

706
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,280
assassination will change us in 
ways this generation has never 

707
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,720
seen. 
How on earth can you make such a

708
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,400
statement when you don't even 
know who the shooter is yet? 

709
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,080
OK. 
And so and on and on it goes. 

710
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,080
And this is a little more 
radical here. 

711
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,440
We'll look at this from the 
California Globe. 

712
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,600
It's a conservative website, or 
at least the writer is by the 

713
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,680
looks of it. 
Charlie Kirk will blow this 

714
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,520
headline up here. 
Look at what this says a little 

715
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,080
bit little bit bigger there. 
Charlie Kirk has fallen a martyr

716
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,960
for American patriotism. 
Well, we don't know why he's 

717
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,480
fallen. 
We don't know who shot him. 

718
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,880
That's those are important 
details, right? 

719
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,800
You'd want to know who the 
murderer is, what the motivation

720
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,160
is. 
Then you can work out whether 

721
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,840
he, you know, fell for American 
values or not. 

722
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,440
So I mean, these are just 
typical reactions here. 

723
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,160
But the the main point Mike here
is that what is that what is 

724
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,080
going to be the state reaction 
to this? 

725
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,200
What, when you're weaponizing 
all of these left, right and 

726
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,080
political polarizing angles on 
this, which everybody is doing 

727
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,680
OK, The state and the security 
state have moved in very 

728
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,280
aggressively on this. 
So this is Aaron Cohen, who is 

729
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,920
on Fox all the time, is security
expert, who I think is an 

730
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,760
Israeli. 
As well, and this is his 

731
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,280
reaction, of course, he's on 
full rotation on Fox pushing 

732
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,200
basically this watch. 
Cameras part part of your your 

733
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,800
whole gig, Aaron Cohen, is to 
make sure that you know what's 

734
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,520
going on here. 
Could this guy be profiled? 

735
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,080
What's the next step for 
investigators looking at this? 

736
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,840
Well, so there's there's, 
there's very good technical 

737
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,640
tools that have fallen into 
local law enforcement's lab. 

738
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,480
There's flock systems for 
cameras which allow license 

739
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,240
plates to be read. 
I'm sure that the Provo Police 

740
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:50,960
Department. 
Who? 

741
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,680
I I recently spoke to about 
Gideon not long ago Trace. 

742
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,600
We kicked him out an alert. 
I guaranteed them and I actually

743
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,760
made contact with them quietly 
to let them know that we were. 

744
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,920
Going to be ramping. 
Up the system for any additional

745
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,000
attacks or copycat attacks out 
there and shot that out to 20 

746
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,520
more agencies who are on the 
pilot. 

747
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,680
So there's a flock system which 
allows. 

748
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,960
Those those cameras are 
essentially placed around 

749
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,640
counties and around cities. 
They can read license plates. 

750
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,480
They don't monitor people's name
and personal information like 

751
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,840
they just they literally will 
get you a license plate. 

752
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,400
So if this individual jumped 
into. 

753
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,000
A car, which he likely did, 
that'll get dropped into the 

754
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,960
investigation. 
Once they get a make on that, if

755
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,040
possible, they can then start 
picking cell phone towers to try

756
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,800
and track down cell phones 
that'll get thrown into the mix 

757
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,840
as they start closing in on the 
investigation. 

758
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,520
But really, I think the biggest 
concern now is hunting down this

759
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,760
shooter. 
Could be a collapsed AR, could 

760
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,000
have other pistols and weapons, 
could be, who knows, getting 

761
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,920
this guy in handcuffs and 
arrested. 

762
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,160
Everything else will fall into 
place afterwards. 

763
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,080
But there's an active threat out
there and he needs to be. 

764
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:05,040
So he's not being correct there.
Israel does gather personal data

765
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,120
and attach it to a facial 
recognition. 

766
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,280
And they're using this, they're 
pioneering this in Gaza against 

767
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,840
for, for killing civilians, 
basically. 

768
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,960
So there's the Israeli security 
experts. 

769
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,040
So they're going to all these 
Israeli experts on U.S. media to

770
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,720
to empower the state, the Trump 
administration to crack down on,

771
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:26,320
you know, potential threats, 
potential threats. 

772
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,680
So where's this going to end? 
Well, here's Marco Rubio, take a

773
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,080
look at this. 
So in Thomas Fassie, great 

774
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,920
journalist here in in Italy, 
this is how it starts, the new 

775
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Patriot Act breaking Marco 
Rubio's State Department will 

776
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,600
ban any foreigner from entering 
the United States who, quote, 

777
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,560
celebrated the assassination of 
Charlie Kirk on social media 

778
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,040
using AI tools, presumably. 
And this was announced and 

779
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,680
confirmed there. 
So I mean, you, you do get these

780
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,560
sort of reactions as a result of
what's happening. 

781
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,760
And I don't know where exactly 
this is going to head in in the 

782
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,480
long run, but let's take a look 
at what rallies are looking like

783
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,480
and will continue to look like. 
Look at the security perimeters 

784
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,720
around political events now in 
the United States. 

785
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,440
And again, we see a lot of this 
as well. 

786
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,720
But inside you basically what's 
this is it's this is hardening 

787
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,880
the echo chamber politically. 
And this is what's happening. 

788
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,840
The polarization in America is 
increasing. 

789
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,320
Trump rallies are sort of 
resembling sort of cult kind of 

790
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,040
evangelical revivals. 
And people are becoming more and

791
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,080
more balkanized in their 
political corners here. 

792
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,800
And, you know, I look at a film 
like V for Vendetta in 2005. 

793
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,760
And just coincidentally, they 
they merged the cross of Saint 

794
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,360
George there with, I think a 
Norse symbol as well. 

795
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,840
And this was the party of the 
Lord Chancellor there and V for 

796
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,120
Vendetta. 
But you know, you look at those 

797
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,680
science fiction depictions of 
the future and I have to ask 

798
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,600
legitimately, you know, we're 
not far off actually, if you 

799
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,160
look at some of the the 
symbolism that's going on around

800
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,080
this. 
And this was and V for Vendetta,

801
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,360
that was a race based party. 
I think it was Norse Fire was 

802
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,280
the name of the party, of 
course, famously played by I 

803
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,920
think it was John Hurt. 
I believe the actor. 

804
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,520
I can't remember. 
I think it was who was in 1980, 

805
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,480
Orwell's 1984, Yes, right. 
So, but but here's the other 

806
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,200
question. 
This was clearly a professional 

807
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,800
hit. 
I cannot look at this event with

808
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,160
Charlie Kirk, Mike and say this 
is not a professional hit from a

809
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,880
distance. 
Sneaks onto a roof, long range 

810
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,000
rifle, perfect shot hitting the 
artery on the side of the neck. 

811
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,240
I mean, in that same Israeli 
security expert we had on Aaron 

812
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:49,360
Cohen, he was in the segment 
before that. 

813
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,560
We didn't have time to show it 
saying he got lucky, the shooter

814
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,320
got lucky. 
Nothing to see here. 

815
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,760
He was just probably a radical 
leftist or what. 

816
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,800
I don't know what the 
explanation on Fox was, but 

817
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,720
that's basically his shtick. 
But this was a professional hit.

818
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,800
They don't have the shooter. 
He didn't post the manifesto on 

819
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,320
4 Chan. 
So. 

820
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,680
So if it was a professional hit,
who hires professional hitmen? 

821
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,320
State actors, governments, which
government and state actor has 

822
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,480
logged in the most amount of 
political assassinations in the 

823
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,000
last few years? 
It has to be Israel. 

824
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,480
So here's James Lee, who is a 
major influencer on social 

825
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,240
media. 
And he reminds us of this 

826
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,680
pattern, this change in Charlie 
Kirk's rhetoric just over the 

827
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,360
last two months and what that 
might mean in terms of could 

828
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,880
Charlie Kirk have fallen foul 
with powers well above even his 

829
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,640
pay grade? 
Listen to this. 

830
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,920
This is a source that I trust 
very much, and this is coming 

831
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,120
from the top levels of 
government. 

832
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,400
And they were having dinner with
people, senators in the Senate 

833
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,880
Foreign Intelligence Committee. 
They are not openly saying this 

834
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,080
at this point, of course not. 
But in private conversation, 

835
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,920
they're saying, hey, this looks 
like potentially Israel is 

836
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:00,840
behind this. 
Wow. 

837
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,360
And then in terms of getting to 
the actual evidence itself, a 

838
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,400
very close friend of Charlie 
Kirk's put put out there. 

839
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,240
Charlie didn't want to put out 
this tweet himself, but he told 

840
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,880
a friend to put it out on the 
Internet and said, hey, if I go 

841
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,800
against Israel, I think they 
will kill me. 

842
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,960
And when, when did he say this? 
This was August 13th, so less 

843
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,360
than a month ago. 
I can see Charlie over the last 

844
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,360
few months sort of taking new 
information and have his mind 

845
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,560
shift a little bit, right? 
He used to be an Israeli 

846
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,000
loyalist. 
Then he starts to sort of mildly

847
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,240
criticize Israel and that, hey, 
I don't think, you know, we 

848
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,600
shouldn't be allowed as an 
American to question the acts of

849
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,080
the foreign government. 
I have text messages, Megan, 

850
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,920
calling me an anti Semite. 
I have less ability sometimes 

851
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,280
online to criticize the Israeli 
government about backlash than 

852
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,520
actual Israelis do. 
And that's really, really weird,

853
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,520
isn't it, Megan? 
And he publicly said hey, maybe 

854
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,560
Epstein was Mossad. 
He certainly had a lot of 

855
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,600
connections to Israeli ex prime 
ministers. 

856
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,200
And there's also this clip where
he questions how October 7th 

857
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,160
happened. 
Was there a stand down order? 

858
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,200
Six hours? 
I don't believe it. 

859
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,960
Israel's the size of New Jersey 
when I took a helicopter ride 

860
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,840
from Jerusalem to the Gaza 
border. 

861
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,840
It's 45. 
Minutes. 

862
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,520
Six hours. 
They're live streaming the 

863
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,200
killing of Jews. 
Was that somebody in the 

864
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,640
government say stand up? 
That is a legitimate non 

865
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,080
conspiracy question. 
I mean, this is a big problem 

866
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,960
for Israel. 
Charlie Kirk was maybe the most 

867
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,680
influential figure on the right,
especially with people under the

868
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,160
age of. 30. 
And when you start to have 

869
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,120
somebody that influential as a 
conservative is say, hey, we 

870
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,520
need to maybe reassess this 
relationship, there's something 

871
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,680
weird going on. 
This is a warning to people in 

872
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,120
the media to say, hey, you need 
to stop this right now because 

873
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,960
you could be next. 
So Charlie Kirk is one of the 

874
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,520
most influential conservative 
for the for the 18 to 40 age 

875
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,440
group, probably one of the most 
influential conservative voices 

876
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,520
or advocates in the country. 
So for him to change path even a

877
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,760
little bit on the Israel issue, 
on the Gaza issue is huge. 

878
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,960
And then this happens and 
Netanyahu takes advantage, Rabbi

879
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,960
Shmuley takes advantage. 
They're all basically drifting 

880
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,560
off the back of this tragedy, 
OK? 

881
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,200
And that in itself is strange. 
OK, but but let's just finish 

882
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,040
this off then with with this 
question of the Ukrainian girl 

883
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,920
and and the murder of the 
Ukrainian girl. 

884
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,200
And was that actually a race 
related incident? 

885
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,640
Well, this this was earlier, 
just a few days before. 

886
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,160
And then this happens. 
Fatal stabbing of a of a 

887
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,720
Ukrainian refugee blonde, good 
looking white as as as she's 

888
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:42,640
been portrayed by the right wing
media and she was killed by this

889
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,800
black man in North Carolina on a
train. 

890
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,800
Clearly this person had mental 
issues like so many other people

891
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,680
who do random killings on the 
street. 

892
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,120
But immediately it got branded 
by the media on the right wing 

893
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,440
media as a racially motivated. 
I think even Alex Jones said it 

894
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,240
was racially motivated According
to him. 

895
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,960
But we don't know that for 
certain. 

896
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,000
But then there's the federal 
reaction here. 

897
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,600
We'll bring this up on screen. 
He's going to be charged much 

898
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,880
with the federal crime. 
So this plays into the troops on

899
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,920
the street using federal assets 
for law enforcement here because

900
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,040
it was on a mass transit thing 
being charged with the federal 

901
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,040
crime. 
And then we'll go back to that 

902
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,640
original video. 
Yeah, this one. 

903
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,960
And so how how the right wing 
media is totally trying to spin 

904
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,280
up a race, a race war on the 
back of this watch. 

905
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,920
But because it's race related 
and it makes white people look 

906
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,240
bad, it's got a lead. 
If it leads, it bleeds. 

907
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:46,120
If it bleeds, it leads. 
If a black bleeds, it leads. 

908
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,040
I didn't want that same. 
Energy all the way around. 

909
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,800
Then if we, if we must talk 
about it, I want that same 

910
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,600
energy all the way around. 
So these are the same people 

911
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,160
that lost their minds over 
George Floyd, pushing that 

912
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,640
narrative like it was a. 
Lynching when the facts scream 

913
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,640
suicide. 
But they have. 

914
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,280
When the facts claim suicide, 
there was no suicide with the 

915
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,320
George Floyd thing anyway. 
We'll put that aside. 

916
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,440
But that was a typical podcaster
in America basically saying, 

917
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,520
well, if if what they did during
George Floyd by making it about 

918
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,040
race is wrong, then we're going 
to be wrong and make it about 

919
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,520
race. 
SO2 wrongs don't make a right. 

920
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,320
Now I covered the George Floyd 
story in depth. 

921
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,840
We also shared some of that on 
this program at the time there, 

922
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,160
there there was no evidence of 
any racial motivation by Derek 

923
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,280
Chauvin. 
It didn't come up in the trial, 

924
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,920
The prosecution didn't. 
None of that stuck. 

925
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,080
So there was nothing there. 
And likewise here, what we have 

926
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,160
is a clearly a mentally ill 
psychotic person who has 

927
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,640
randomly killed this Ukrainian 
refugee and it's been 

928
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,240
immediately branded as a as a 
race incident to stoke up a race

929
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,920
war. 
Everybody in the media is so 

930
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,440
anxious to pit white against 
black, Christian against Muslim.

931
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,600
They just won't stop until they 
see blood on the streets. 

932
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,320
That's my the only conclusion I 
can make here. 

933
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,960
You if it's not about race with 
George Floyd, because there's no

934
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,480
evidence. 
There's no evidence that it is 

935
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,600
here. 
Not any real evidence, 

936
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,680
compelling evidence. 
Why can't it just be a crime? 

937
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Why can't it just be a murder? 
Why do we have to attach race to

938
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,000
it or religion? 
Because we're being plagued. 

939
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,560
Yeah, and, and that's the 
problem. 

940
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,360
And that's the thing people 
really need to step back and 

941
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,120
take a deep breath about. 
And the other thing is with 

942
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,800
Charlie Kirk, Last thing I'll 
say, Mike, it's important. 

943
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,800
You know, I, even though I 
disagree with Charlie Kirk, 

944
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,920
especially on the issue of Gaza 
and some of the crazy things 

945
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,040
Charlie Kirk has said over the 
years, it's not, it's not 

946
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:55,080
permissible or it's it to to, 
you know, shoot or try to kill 

947
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,840
somebody you disagree 
politically with. 

948
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,360
And that goes for all the 
radical leftist as well. 

949
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,640
And that also goes for the 
people on the right with their 

950
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,160
political enemies. 
I mean, we cannot get to a point

951
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,280
in society where we cannot have 
a political conversation that 

952
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,520
must be settled at the barrel of
the gun or the end of a fist. 

953
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,920
We're very, very close to being 
at that point. 

954
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,920
And we're being pushed towards 
that point and, and you people 

955
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,920
need to step back and think, are
you being pushed to that point? 

956
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,000
And if so, do you know who's 
pushing you? 

957
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,320
It's an important question. 
You got to stop, pause and think

958
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,520
about that. 
Mark, let's come back on to the 

959
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,960
issue then of American troops 
potentially being deployed 

960
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,880
domestically and what's your 
thoughts on this and whether 

961
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,280
that actually has any support 
within the American population? 

962
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,000
Well, the the background to this
is very important in the 

963
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,280
immediate wake of the Civil War.
It really wasn't a civil war in 

964
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,000
the strict sense, but what they 
call the War between the States.

965
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,880
The north, of course, were the 
victors, and during 

966
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,920
Reconstruction federal troops 
were used in ways that were more

967
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,600
along the lines of policing 
functions and there were 

968
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,720
considerable abuses. 
So in 1878, the Posse Comitatus 

969
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:16,200
Act was drafted to limit, at 
least limit the use of the army 

970
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,040
in domestic law enforcement. 
And now the Chicago Council on 

971
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,080
Global Affairs, which I watch 
pretty closely along with 

972
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,480
Chatham House CFR, they're birds
of a feather. 

973
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,120
They came out with a September 
4th survey here that we can show

974
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,000
that on the screen Americans 
oppose overall, they're saying 

975
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,880
domestic use of U.S. troops. 
And we can go on from there and 

976
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,280
show the subsequent slides. 
They're very brief. 

977
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,240
These are some recent headlines 
I showed last week when I 

978
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,400
touched on this issue. 
Axios reported that there was a 

979
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,720
federal ruling that could 
restrict Trump on potential San 

980
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:56,040
Francisco troop deployment. 
And Chicago Tribune reported As 

981
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,440
Trump threatens more Guard 
troops in U.S. cities, including

982
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,560
Chicago and Baltimore. 
Here's what the law allows. 

983
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,520
And this next one gives a very 
brief summation of what this is 

984
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,160
about. 
Recent weeks. 

985
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,080
This is from the Chicago Council
survey. 

986
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,440
Recent weeks have seen an 
escalation in the use of troops 

987
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,200
for domestic operations to a 
degree not seen in recent memory

988
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,520
in DC. 
President Trump has commissioned

989
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,920
DC's police, deployed 
immigration agents and asked 

990
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,720
states to lend their National 
Guard forces to the nation's 

991
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,280
capital, urging a crime 
crackdown. 

992
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,920
I abridge this text a little 
bit, and then I emphasized here 

993
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,240
whether U.S. troops should be 
used domestically has gone from 

994
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,920
a theoretical question to a 
practical one. 

995
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,640
Quote, UN quote. 
And that's according to some of 

996
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,320
the narrative in this Chicago 
Council survey. 

997
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,080
From there, this is 1 slide. 
I only used one graph here and I

998
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,760
can explain it. 
Let's put that up. 

999
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,440
The the top one is those who 
favor it. 

1000
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:04,960
And of all those surveyed, 29% 
favor using U.S. troops for law 

1001
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,040
enforcement to whatever degree 
they call it protest 

1002
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,960
suppression. 
Sometimes that may be true. 

1003
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,320
Sometimes they're guarding 
federal property or guarding ICE

1004
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,880
agents. 
It's a mixture of things. 

1005
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,560
But of those that favor the use 
of troops in this way, 52% were 

1006
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,880
Republicans. 
That's the long red line on top,

1007
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,560
17% Democrats and 23% 
independents. 

1008
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:32,240
Those who oppose it were 70%, 
seven, zero, 70% of those 

1009
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,920
surveyed. 
And of those 70 percent, 47% 

1010
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,520
Republicans, 83% Democrats and 
76% independents. 

1011
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,480
Interestingly enough, among 
those that favor or oppose these

1012
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,760
troop deployments, the 
Republican reading is close to 

1013
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,000
equal on both sides. 
And in other words, almost half 

1014
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,560
the Republicans oppose and half 
support this use of troops. 

1015
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,760
I'll mention that yesterday I 
managed to get together with a 

1016
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:06,840
friend that worked on the border
to protect private ranchers land

1017
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,640
from illegal immigration from 
from illegal border crossings 

1018
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,480
out near Eagle Pass, TX on the 
other side of Laredo from where 

1019
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,160
I'm at. 
And I asked him about this and 

1020
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,000
he felt that the troop, the 
troop deployments, though he 

1021
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,800
hopes they don't last long, were
necessary to protect mainly 

1022
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,160
federal property and protect ICE
agents from violence. 

1023
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,120
Although he had some questions 
maybe about protest suppression,

1024
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,960
things like that. 
The the conversation kind of 

1025
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,000
ended there. 
He used to help apprehend 

1026
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,840
illegal crossings when he worked
for these private ranchers. 

1027
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,200
That's what he was hired to do 
two or three years ago. 

1028
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,400
So he has a pretty unique view 
on this. 

1029
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,640
He actually was in the Rio 
Grande River itself getting wet 

1030
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,440
and getting very directly 
involved in this. 

1031
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,640
And one other thing I'll mention
is he said that a lot of Texas 

1032
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,760
Governor Greg Abbott's efforts 
to quell illegal crossings were 

1033
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:04,640
largely greatly exaggerated. 
And actually under under the 

1034
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,200
guise of being a strong border 
enforcement governor, what what 

1035
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,920
Abbott was actually doing was 
allowing more illegals. 

1036
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,520
And therefore the numbers got 
tremendously high in terms of 

1037
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,200
how many illegals are in the 
states. 

1038
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,440
And according to the guy I 
talked to last night, with such 

1039
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,560
high numbers of people having 
crossed during the Biden years, 

1040
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,120
1010s of thousands a month, that
he felt the troops, the troop 

1041
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,600
deployments were at least 
necessary because they have to 

1042
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,200
make up for lost time because so
many people were allowed to 

1043
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,720
enter the country illegally. 
Now very few are entering the 

1044
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,560
country illegally. 
And he hopes the troop 

1045
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,040
deployments again, don't last 
long, but he feels they're 

1046
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,680
necessary to bring the numbers 
down to get enough deportations 

1047
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,760
and to enforce the border laws 
the way that Trump announced it.

1048
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,880
So that was his more or less pro
Trump view on it. 

1049
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,280
On the other hand, when does it 
end? 

1050
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,000
Because in principle, using the 
troops for for domestic law 

1051
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,400
enforcement can become a very 
slippery slope very quickly. 

1052
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,560
Very unfortunate things can 
happen and abuses can soon 

1053
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,000
follow. 
And that's what brought about 

1054
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,040
the Posse Combat Tatus Act to 
begin with. 

1055
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,480
So there's some things that 
remain to be seen the the troop 

1056
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,680
deployments have been largely 
just LA and DC so far. 

1057
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,520
Apparently Baltimore and Chicago
have not happened yet. 

1058
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,880
So there there are some things 
that remain to be seen in terms 

1059
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,520
of the scope of this thing. 
But these are some of the points

1060
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,440
that I gather these these are 
some of the key observations at 

1061
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,680
this point. 
Yeah, sorry, Mark, Thank you. 

1062
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,560
Thank you for that. 
Now back in the UK then, well, 

1063
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:41,240
for a lot of years now, I've 
been following the accusations 

1064
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,800
against people, people ending up
in prison in this country, 

1065
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,920
falsely accused of various 
things. 

1066
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,760
A lot of years ago, it must have
been about 2012 or 2013, I was 

1067
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,760
visiting somebody in Strangeways
Prison in Manchester. 

1068
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,040
And one of the points that he 
made to me during that visit was

1069
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,200
that there were a ton of people 
in that prison, one of the worst

1070
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,400
presidents in the country, who 
were there on indeterminate 

1071
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,760
sentences with no release date. 
But the only thing that they 

1072
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,920
needed to do in order to get a 
release date was to admit their 

1073
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,960
guilt. 
But they would not do that. 

1074
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,480
So why am I mentioning this? 
Yesterday was falsely accused 

1075
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,640
day, and Will Coleshill was at 
the Royal Coach of Justice to 

1076
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,560
report on that for us. 
So let's just have a look at 

1077
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,240
that. 
Hello, this is Will Coleshill 

1078
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,320
reporting for UK column. 
And today I'm down at the Royal 

1079
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,760
Courts of Justice talking to 
people on international Falsely 

1080
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,760
Accused Day, talking to people 
about miscarriages of justice 

1081
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,040
and how our justice system is 
broken. 

1082
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,360
Yeah, this is the Falsely 
Accused day outside the Royal 

1083
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,520
Courts of Justice and it's to 
bring together lots of 

1084
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,680
organisations who who either 
claim to have been falsely 

1085
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,800
accused and who represent 
different parts of that 

1086
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,760
community, I suppose. 
Hello gents. 

1087
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,120
May I ask what brings you down 
here today? 

1088
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,640
Well, it's interesting the 
Jeremy Bamba case because he's 

1089
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,640
the same age as me and I 
followed it for since I remember

1090
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,400
the case when I was in my early 
20s and here, here I am. 

1091
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,160
He's still in jail for and 
there's some of the evidence was

1092
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,040
produced. 
It's been a fast this sounds 

1093
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,520
farcical to me. 
So I've got Lucy that be today. 

1094
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,160
Well, Lucy was found guilty and 
sentenced to to all of 15 whole 

1095
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,040
life orders. 
Our case is in the hands of the 

1096
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,560
CCRC at the moment for review 
and we're just hoping for a 

1097
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,680
referral back to the Court of 
Appeal as soon as possible 

1098
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,840
because she's in the primaries 
of her life and they're 

1099
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,080
dwindling away. 
So my name is Mike Thompson. 

1100
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,440
I am founder and director of 
Falsely Accused Network. 

1101
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,360
We support anyone falsely 
accused of domestic abuse in 

1102
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,200
England and Wales and I'm here 
today to show strength and 

1103
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,360
solidarity with the falsely 
accused and the other 

1104
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,400
organisations here today. 
We just want people to know that

1105
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,720
there is a lot of injustice out 
there. 

1106
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,840
The the system is not a great 
system at the moment, needs a 

1107
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,760
lot of work doing. 
They fail a lot of people and 

1108
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,640
yeah, continue to do so. 
It's very common for a man who's

1109
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,000
been falsely accused to go 
through post traumatic stress 

1110
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,120
disorder. 
They can enter deep phases of 

1111
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:08,720
depression, anger, mood swings, 
and unfortunately some of sort 

1112
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,560
of the ultimate action you can 
never, ever get back the the 

1113
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,720
last time. 
And it isn't just the person 

1114
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,400
affected it, it's families as 
well. 

1115
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,520
You know, it's got massive 
effect on people's families and,

1116
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,760
you know, careers, pensions, you
know, it's a financial impact as

1117
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,520
well. 
My mum was a sub post office 

1118
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,360
worker. 
They wanted her to take on this 

1119
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:28,840
new equipment, the Horizon 
equipment. 

1120
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,840
And she said, no, you know, I 
can't learn computers, blah, 

1121
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:32,880
blah. 
Should if they forced me to do 

1122
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:33,960
that, I will shut the post 
office. 

1123
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,920
And she did. 
So had she not shut the sub post

1124
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,720
office, we could have been, you 
know, our family could have been

1125
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,320
wrapped up in that. 
So it literally can happen to 

1126
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,880
anyone. 
Have you seen what's been 

1127
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,400
happening to the MP who exposed 
it, Andrew Bridgen? 

1128
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:50,200
Yes, yeah, they will belittle 
him as they do to, you know, a, 

1129
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,840
a lot of these people that, that
expose it, they, they do what 

1130
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,160
they can to try and trash their 
name. 

1131
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,800
And what specific changes do we 
really need within the courts? 

1132
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,880
You know, the use of 
circumstance and scientific 

1133
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,600
evidence has got to improve. 
I think juries need to be better

1134
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,240
informed when they make 
decisions, especially like 

1135
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,760
medical, medical cases. 
They've got to be better 

1136
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,520
informed and it's got to be 
balanced as well. 

1137
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,040
You know, you can't just have a 
strong prosecution. 

1138
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,400
It's got to be, it's got to be 
fair. 

1139
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,320
Because when you've got one 
person arguing for the 

1140
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,840
prosecution and nobody for the 
defence, who is The Who is the 

1141
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,120
jury going to believe? 
If there's no, if there's no 

1142
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,480
contest, who are they going to 
believe? 

1143
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,920
I believe the victim policy 
introduced by Keir Starmer when 

1144
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,920
he was from prosecution services
inverted the principle of 

1145
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,800
innocent and in law. 
And, and everybody here has had 

1146
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,560
a experience of that and they're
here to stridently fight it and,

1147
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,560
and to and to point out to 
Starmer and his people where 

1148
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:45,720
they're going wrong. 
They know they're going wrong 

1149
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,160
and we have to do something 
visible now and again like this.

1150
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,680
What's particularly broken is 
the presumption of innocence. 

1151
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,240
Second, a woman makes an 
allegation against the man, he's

1152
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,440
automatically seen as guilty and
treated like a criminal before 

1153
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,440
anything's any evidence has been
reviewed or any trial. 

1154
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,040
And that's got to stop when 
there is a miscarriage of 

1155
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,600
justice that they should be a 
lot easier and quicker to get to

1156
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,640
the get it in front of the back 
in court or whatever needs to be

1157
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,480
done. 
What about jury unanimity? 

1158
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,920
Jury unanimity it's a real 
problem when you have the 

1159
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,920
majority verdicts As for example
in Lucy let me original trial 

1160
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,880
and in Andy Malkinson released a
couple of years ago, exonerated 

1161
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,960
a couple of years ago. 
Those were majority verdicts. 

1162
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,640
There were two people in both of
those juries who are two or 

1163
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,680
about that number who didn't 
agree that the person was 

1164
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:31,840
guilty. 
And imagine how they felt when 

1165
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,880
they went home. 
That's a, it's an, it's a 

1166
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,240
aberrance of justice. 
The, the Trochuria. 

1167
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,520
I was on what a majority, A 
majority, A unanimous verdict. 

1168
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,200
And I think that's a good thing.
I mean, after all the law says 

1169
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:43,720
has to be beyond reasonable 
doubt. 

1170
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,120
Well, if the two people 
disagree, there's some doubt 

1171
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,120
there, that's for sure. 
I think, you know, 1:50 is still

1172
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,560
not enough, you know, But when 
you're talking about whole life 

1173
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,760
sentences, you know, mistakes do
happen. 

1174
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,920
It's been proven. 
You look at Andrew Malkinson, 

1175
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,400
Peter Sullivan this year, 
Stefano Kishko from years back, 

1176
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,200
you know, you've got to be sure 
than sure. 

1177
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,840
What do you think about what's 
going on with all of these 

1178
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,760
district judges who aren't 
volunteers like magistrates and 

1179
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,440
as your state employees and can 
lock people up for six months. 

1180
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,840
These judges have a have a 
tendency to be trained in 

1181
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,680
certain new culture crimes, new 
allegations of that. 

1182
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,040
And we'll follow that rather 
than and the pressure on those 

1183
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,080
people to protect to follow 
conviction targets. 

1184
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,200
It's just like it is on the 
police until they start doing it

1185
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,520
with the principle of British 
law as we're all used to it. 

1186
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,760
We're screwed because they're 
just they are woke indentured 

1187
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:37,840
for want of a better term, you 
know. 

1188
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:39,560
Well, I think all things the 
best. 

1189
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,640
I think the whole thing is the 
complete best and it all needs 

1190
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,320
overhauled. 
It's absolutely shocking the 

1191
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,880
state of it now, you know, and 
it's only going to get worse. 

1192
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,560
So do you think we've got a 2 
tier justice system then? 

1193
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,280
Yeah, I'd say it's a multi tier 
justice system because I know 

1194
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,360
what the two tier can apply to 
in certain intersectionalities 

1195
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,880
with race and immigration, that 
sort of thing. 

1196
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,200
And then there's sexism going 
on, misandry, misogyny, 

1197
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,320
everything. 
All these different competing 

1198
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,960
identity groups, all that needs 
to be chucked in the bin and get

1199
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,000
back to the presumption of 
innocence and law for everybody 

1200
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,520
in that country. 
Well, that sounds good to me. 

1201
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,160
Where can people find out more? 
I think go to go to 

1202
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,280
empoweringtheinnocent.com. 
In it on a Google search, 

1203
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,760
they'll find all of the 
empowering, the innocent things 

1204
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:21,760
under there. 
Yeah. 

1205
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,040
So it's been an interesting day 
today down here at the High 

1206
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,400
Court. 
You've had a lot of people 

1207
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,440
talking about the failures of 
the justice system. 

1208
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,440
I've experienced it. 
I'm sure a lot of people have 

1209
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,080
experienced it in recent years, 
whether it's from the 

1210
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,400
postmasters to all of the men 
falsely accused of domestic 

1211
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,920
violence, to people put in 
prison for murders that they may

1212
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,080
not have committed. 
This is Will Coleshill reporting

1213
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:48,520
for UK column. 
Thank you and thanks to Will for

1214
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,520
that. 
Very good report, yes. 

1215
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,040
OK, Patrick, let's just very 
quickly because we're well over 

1216
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,320
time here, just very quickly and
with with what? 

1217
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,480
Well, we were going to do a feel
good segment because that went 

1218
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,280
over really well last time with 
John Bolton there. 

1219
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,640
But we're going to do an 
educational segment, I think 

1220
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,640
more of a cultural heritage 
educational segment here. 

1221
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,400
So we'll bring this up on 
screen, as you know, tomorrow, 

1222
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,440
September 13th, that's the big 
free speech rally led by Tommy 

1223
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,560
Robinson here. 
As you can see, a lot of the 

1224
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,600
opposition media are jumping on 
there on the what's on section 

1225
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,400
here, full route of Tommy 
Robinson's huge quote, free 

1226
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,840
speech rally through the capital
in London. 

1227
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,680
Tommy says a millionaire going 
to show up. 

1228
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,160
It's going to be a million man 
March for free speech, I guess. 

1229
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,600
So that's exciting here. 
But what what we want to point 

1230
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,480
out is, is the symbolism, 
especially of the the English 

1231
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,520
flag here. 
And as you know, Tommy likes to 

1232
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,320
adorn himself in the cross of 
Saint George. 

1233
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,520
This is one of his big calling 
cards ever since the days of the

1234
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,120
EDL here. 
This is an old photo hear from 

1235
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,800
back in the day. 
Tommy is the head of the English

1236
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,520
Defense League. 
So you'll often see St. 

1237
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:02,360
George's flying when you see 
Tommy in public and at rallies 

1238
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,240
and so forth here. 
So but then there's a whole 

1239
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,160
conversation about about Saint 
George himself. 

1240
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,800
This is the Patriot St. of 
England. 

1241
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,760
This is what the cross of Saint 
George represents. 

1242
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,000
Why is Saint George the patron 
St. of England and what was his 

1243
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,560
nationality? 
That's an interesting question. 

1244
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,960
I always thought growing up that
Saint George was English, and 

1245
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,240
then he left England with 
Richard the Lionheart fight in 

1246
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,960
the Crusades, you know, and the 
rest is history. 

1247
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,880
Sean Connery and Orlando Bloom 
and the Kingdom, Kingdom of 

1248
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,520
Heaven and so forth. 
But that's not actually the case

1249
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,000
here. 
We just did a little bit of 

1250
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,160
digging and some people might be
surprised, not least of all 

1251
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:43,200
Tommy himself here at the 
nationality of Saint George. 

1252
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:48,640
It turns out Saint George, his 
father was a Turk and his mother

1253
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,520
was Palestinian. 
So Saint George is effectively 

1254
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,880
Palestinian. 
He, he, he lived most of his 

1255
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,400
adult life in Palestine. 
He fought against the oppressors

1256
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,440
in Palestine. 
He's venerated to this day by 

1257
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,360
the Palestinians. 
There's a church, a Chapel, 

1258
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,480
historic Chapel in his name as 
well. 

1259
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,440
So he's highly regarded by 
Palestinians, Christian 

1260
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,120
Palestinians specifically, as a 
kind of hero figure here. 

1261
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:20,120
So I mean, I hate to break it to
you, Mike and everybody here, 

1262
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,319
it's not such a bad thing 
depending on what side of the 

1263
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:26,600
issue on, but you know, Saint 
George was a Palestinian. 

1264
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:32,319
Well, maybe Tommy will add the 
other flag alongside of the 

1265
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,640
cross of Saint George. 
I don't think he will, but then 

1266
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,800
again, isn't it interesting 
though? 

1267
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,359
History is bizarre. 
History can be bizarre. 

1268
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:43,000
It's so strange, it's so 
strange, but we thought we'd 

1269
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,080
share that with you and, you 
know, go ahead and talk about 

1270
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,920
that at the pub. 
I think that would be a nice 

1271
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,960
icebreaker for a conversation at
the dinner table or whatever. 

1272
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,120
Saint George, Father was a Turk,
mother was a Palestinian. 

1273
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,000
I'll leave it there. 
We got to leave it there for 

1274
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,120
today. 
Thank you to Mark and Patrick 

1275
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,319
and everybody that's watched. 
We'll be back in a couple of 

1276
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:05,920
minutes for some extra. 
We'll see you then. 

1277
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:06,520
Bye bye.