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Hello, it's Friday the 11th of 
July 2025, just after 1:00. 

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Welcome to UK column News. 
I'm your host Mike Robinson, my 

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Co host in this studio today, 
Patrick Hennigson. 

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Welcome to the program, Patrick.
Great to be with you, Mike. 

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And journalist Mark Anderson 
joins us by video link from the 

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United States. 
Now, yesterday, Keir Starmer and

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Emmanuel Macron did some deals. 
The headline deal was one where 

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a bunch of migrants would 
continue to cross the Channel in

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small boats. 
They would be sent back to 

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France. 
And in return, Britain would 

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take exactly the same number of 
people from France, except these

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would be people that France is 
particularly keen to get rid of.

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I suspect that is what's going 
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So, you know, this can be 
ignored because it will do 

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nothing to reduce the number of 
people coming into the UK. 

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And in any case, we should 
always keep in mind that the 

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main source of migration in the 
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The small boats remain a small 
problem. 

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It's a diversion. 
And so my question is, what was 

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it that Star Starmer was 
diverting from? 

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Well, first of all was his 
nuclear deal. 

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And France and the UK will, they
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cooperation and coordination. 
A Franco British nuclear 

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steering group is going to be 
established and that's going to 

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provide political direction for 
this work. 

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So this is absolutely a 
political agenda. 

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It's not something which is 
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It'll be led by the presidency 
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Cabinet Office in the UK. 
It's going to coordinate across 

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nuclear policy capabilities and 
operations. 

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And they say quotes. 
Our nuclear weapons exist to 

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deter the most extreme threats 
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and our vital interests. 
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independent but can be 
coordinated and contribute 

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significantly to the overall 
security of the alliance. 

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They don't specify in their 
press press release which 

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alliance they're speaking about.
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communique, then they reaffirmed
their determination to, quote, 

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ensure Russia does not prevail 
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aggression, as well as their 
commitment to lasting support to

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Ukraine. 
They convened the coalition of 

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the willing over the last couple
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nations participating, they say,
all supposedly committed to 

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Ukraine's long term security. 
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meeting, Secretary of State for 
War John Healey repeated 

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Starmer's position that they're,
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Ukraine to help reinforce a 
ceasefire. 

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Of course, no mention of how 
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arrived at so far. 
They agreed to launch a counter 

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shadow fleet partnership to, 
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Russian backed vessels in the 
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revenues via these vessels and 
safeguard our maritime security.

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We are committed, they said, to 
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stability in the wider European 
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work together on new support to 
strengthen resilience in the 

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Western Balkans and Moldova. 
We'll come back to that in a 

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couple of minutes. 
They went on to let us know that

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Ukraine is is not enough. 
Iran will never have a nuclear 

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weapon they said, and so they'll
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that this doesn't happen. 
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China also has to be dealt with.
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breathing a sigh of relief at 
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They aren't even thought sorry, 
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about anymore. 
So they, Starmer and Macron also

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announced Lancaster House 2.0. 
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Lancaster Lancaster House 
treaties which were signed by 

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David Cameron in 2010, which 
brought Brit brought Britain 

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into a 50 year defence pact with
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combined joint force, otherwise 
known as combined joint 

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Expeditionary Force 2.0 and 
which will, they say build a 

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shared capability of sufficient 
scale for war fighting and ready

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to operate in all domains, 
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defence of Europe. 
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will maximize our impact against
the highest threat terrorist 

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groups, including deepening our 
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Syria. 
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off your chair, well, I would 
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that's just such an incredible 
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Here's here is a quote from the 
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As we've explicitly stated since
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arising in which the vital 
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the United Kingdom to be 
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interests of the other also 
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France and the United Kingdom 
agree there is no extreme threat

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to Europe which would not prompt
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Now taking all of this into 
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what does that remind you of? 
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where we were prior to World War
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So this is power politics writ 
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Europe. 
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alliances and loyalties and so 
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all it took was an assassination
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And all of a sudden you have all
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hit it against each other. 
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part, absolutely dedicated to a 
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disputes. 
No diplomatic track at all. 

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The only way you can just 
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military means. 
Isn't that what we're saying 

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right now? 
Do you see anybody talking about

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political resolution or 
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crisis? 
Because I don't. 

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No, there is absolutely no 
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In fact, as as we have pointed 
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few weeks, the rhetoric from 
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States is that basically Putin 
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engage. 
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strategy of Israel of putting a 
deal on the table that the other

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side absolutely cannot accept 
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It's a pantomime of 
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It's it's getting old as well. 
Look, on the conventional front,

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what have what have Britain and 
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the gravest threat Europe has 
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that they tell us as you the war
in Ukraine, What have they done?

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They haven't engaged aged at 
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All they've done is pump weapons
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do special forces to try to blow
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forth. 
It's been an utter disaster and 

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a failure. 
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more of that because I don't see
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from the British or the French 
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force as far as the conventional
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But on the nuclear side, Mike, 
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That's a problem because you 
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an independent nuclear 
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It is controlled by the United 
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conceivable level, including the
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Now, France may be less so, but 
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United States in different ways.
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what I would say to belligerent 
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their own agenda. 
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geopolitical agenda and without 
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could very easily kick off a 
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ultimately drag the United 
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precursor to a World War Three 
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conflict. 
But that already happened twice 

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in the last century, right? 
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be going there. 
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the conversation that we'd like 
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conversation they're having. 
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though there's something to be 
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We'll bring this up on the 
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And by the way, this is from the
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George Washington University in 
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And we've carefully gone through
a lot of these various files to 

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pick out the highlights, the 
untold story of Israel's nuclear

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deception. 
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How did Israel get nuclear 
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How did they get nuclear power? 
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the help of the French, and they
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United States. 
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nuclear capabilities since 1967,
largely due to substantial 

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support from France, which 
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nuclear power worldwide, 
ensuring France a seat on the UN

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Security Council. 
The big club, right? 

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But here's the problem with 
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This is the detail that nobody 
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In 1965, US visitors were told 
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Although he quote gave the 
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consideration had yet been given
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this was misleading. 
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spent fuel to France. 
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own, and it was a radiated 
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So, So basically what happened 
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from new mech facility the the 
weapons grade material then this

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the plans the know how and 
France built the Demona is a 

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copy of the French nuclear 
reactor. 

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OK, so they got their civilian 
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France. 
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weapons grade material and, and 
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So both of them built their 
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And then France did the testing 
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Where did it? 
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And when it's the size of 
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to Bikini Atoll in the South 
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in around Mali. 
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in Sahara and Africa. 
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their nukes and they tested 
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This is how it happened. 
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illegal not under supervision of
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Israel has between 90 and 300 
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Nobody knows because they won't 
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illegal nuclear weapons program 
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France. 
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So this is a kind of a problem. 
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are working with their own 
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deterrence, you really have to 
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nefarious arrangement. 
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then of course something else 
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of days is that Benjamin 
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the Dawn. 
Yes, yes, the the the warlock 

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himself has parachuted into 
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things and and hoping to get 
money and weapons and so forth, 

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doing a bit of his Zelensky 
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But Netanyahu is also trying to 
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obviously. 
But but listen to this. 

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This is this is the meeting 
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Trump with his team assembled, 
Netanyahu with his team and he 

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presents Donald Trump with a 
nomination for the Nobel Peace 

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Prize. 
I I really this is this is 

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special watch this we're. 
Going to have a lot of great 

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results. 
So it's great to have you. 

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Thank you very much. 
Thank you. 

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I want to express the 
appreciation and admiration not 

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only of all Israelis, but of the
Jewish people and many, many 

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admirers around the world for 
your leadership, your leadership

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of the free world, your 
leadership of a just cause, and 

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the pursuit of peace and 
security, which you are leading 

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in many lands, but now, 
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We have great opportunities. 
President has an extraordinary 

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team, and I think our teams 
together make an extraordinary 

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combination to meet challenges 
and seize opportunities. 

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But the President has already 
realized great opportunities. 

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He forged the Abraham Accords. 
He's forging peace as we speak 

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in one country and one region 
after the other. 

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So I want to present to you, Mr.
President, the letter I sent to 

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the Nobel Prize Committee. 
It's nominating you for the 

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Peace Prize, which is well 
deserved, and you should get it.

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Thank you very much. 
This I didn't know. 

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Well, thank you very much. 
Coming from you in particular, 

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this is very meaningful. 
Thank you very much, baby. 

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Thank you. 
Thank you for everything you're 

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doing. 
Thank you. 

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It's a great honor. 
When Trump said coming from you 

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BB is extra special, I mean it's
almost like that was a joke of 

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sorts. 
I mean, this could just as 

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easily be a skit from pick your 
comedy program, yes. 

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I mean, pretty breathtaking, 
isn't it? 

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So. 
So Donald Trump, after having 

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waged an undeclared war of 
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violation of every single UN 
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been, you know, recommended the 
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Netanyahu, Who should get the 
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Well, I would say argue that 
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Peace Prize. 
Francesca Albanese, who's just 

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been sanctioned by the United 
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Rubio. 
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She is the special rapporteur 
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territories. 
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said today. 
I'm imposing sanctions on the UN

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Human Rights Council Special 
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for her illegitimate and 
shameful efforts to prompt the 

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International Criminal Court 
action against the against US 

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and Israeli officials, companies
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Albanese's campaign of political
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woman from Italy, she's waging 
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States. 
Imagine that. 

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And Rubio continues against the 
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longer be tolerated. 
We will always stand by our 

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partners in their right to 
self-defense. 

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So Israel's only trying to 
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If you can believe that the 
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take whatever actions we deem 
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protect our sovereignty of that 
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our allies. 
I mean, wow, that's pretty 

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extraordinary stuff. 
Here's her response. 

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We'll bring this up on screen 
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Francesca Albanese response 
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day more than ever, I stand 
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side of justice, as I always 
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I come from a country with the 
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legal scholars, talented lawyers
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defended justice at great cost 
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I intend to honor that tradition
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It is called the Rome Statute 
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And I'm, I'm proud of it. 
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Rubio. 
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disgraceful move by Marco. 
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Netanyahu is in Washington, was 
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Israeli lobby? 
Like, hey, I'm still with you, 

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100% send more money for my 
presidential campaign in 2028, 

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probably. 
Here's her response, though, in 

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an interview she did with Al 
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This is Francesca Albanese 
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I want to remind everyone that 
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have been imposed is the pursuit
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Of course, I've been critical of
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genocide and crimes against 
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because I say that there are 
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international Court of Justice 
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these crimes. 
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And what I've exposed is that 
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ahead because of the 
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ambitions of Israel or because 
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groups with what Israel is 
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are companies who are profiting 
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And excuse me, I mean, I record 
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posture that has come from some 
of these companies in reaction 

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to, to my report like Google. 
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user of Google. 
I don't, I don't want the end of

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Google. 
I want Google to stop being, I 

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mean making profits by 
supporting a government that has

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killed 60,000 people, including 
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Is it too much to ask? 
So of course the sanctions are 

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going to to affect me and they 
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for respect of justice and 
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mandated to do by the Human 
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So, and she doesn't want the end
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Microsoft is also named in her 
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I know a lot of people like to 
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actually, but that's another 
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It is indeed now. 
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Matt Campbell was back in the 
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effort to force the British 
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inquest into the death of his 
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Jeff died in the North Tower of 
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11th of September 2001 and his 
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DNA analysis in 2000 and two 
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The coroner's original findings 
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11th of September 2001, the 
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of the North Tower of the World 
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was deliberately flown into the 
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10:28 AM. 
This event was part of a 

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coordinated attack by the 
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Qaeda. 
The Campbell family. 

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That's the end of the quote, 
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The Campbell family, of course, 
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alleges that substantial 
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the coroner and as a result 
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a new inquest held, including 
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court. 
So I'd like to welcome Matt 

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Campbell to the programme. 
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have is what happened in the 
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Well, yeah, they didn't do 
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18th of June. 
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judgement on the 1st of July and
we lost, which you know, we kind

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of half expected. 
The day went very well for us, 

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certainly wouldn't. 
There was 2 judges. 

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One of the judges was very on 
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they were making. 
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ruling and said that they're 
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higher court in the Court of 
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back to 1978. 
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disappointing that, you know, 
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that ruling, we kind of expect 
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some positive noises towards 
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So that would be a route for us 
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But they kind of made it really 
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I just read the relevant section
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He said. 
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effect of Gurier EDA and expert 
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set precedent. 
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any court below the Supreme 
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however anomalous this may seem 
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modern law of judicial review. 
And that language is really 

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important. 
I mean, anonymous is actually 

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mentioned in another section. 
I mean, it just sticks out like 

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a sore thumb. 
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apply for a what's called a 
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to the Supreme Court, where 
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said, they're the only, that's 
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decision on this completely 
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previous law. 
But whilst it's it's in place, 

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it doesn't really have a place 
in, in the way that judicial 

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review has evolved and that and 
the law around that. 

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So we're, you know, confident 
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certificate and we would be able
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ultimately be heard in the 
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And efforts are underway right 
now hurriedly, because we have a

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deadline fast approaching to 
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that. 
I mean, the that's, that's a 

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positive piece of news that, 
that, that there's a prospect of

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getting it to the Supreme Court.
My question then would be, what 

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are you, how confident are you 
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would look at the case? 
Do you think that there is a 

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real possibility of of a 
positive outcome? 

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Yeah, I think, I mean for for 
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actually they were made in the 
actual judgement. 

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It it just, it's so anomalous to
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say, the attorney general's 
decisions where their property 

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powers or the statute powers to 
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not be able to be overseen or 
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flies against what the judiciary
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the decisions that the attorney 
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So, you know, this is certainly 
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wrestle back some power, much 
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know, the likes of the attorney 
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You obviously change with every 
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Sorry, yeah. 
Have you got any thoughts on 

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this? 
Well, I just wanted. 

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To get to Matt's, Matt's comment
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you and your family, this has 
been a long, long road and 

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you've been through so many 
different legal proceedings and 

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attending all these hearings, 
all the preparation, all the 

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lawyers and solicitors you've 
been working with. 

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What what's this been like for, 
for you and your family? 

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How? 
How difficult has this been over

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the years? 
It's just difficult because it 

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keeps going on. 
I mean, it's dragged on so long.

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I mean, we, I first started 
thinking about opening My 

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brothers in CEST about six 
months after we had it in 2013. 

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My mum's always been very 
supportive, I mean, as of my 

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entire family. 
But she was there in the High 

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Court, you know, it was a week 
before her 80th birthday. 

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I don't think she expected to be
there trying to fight for truth 

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and justice for my my brother, 
you know, the week before 80th. 

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Crazy. 
Yeah. 

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Incredible. 
Yes. 

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OK. 
Well look, Matt, I think we'd 

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like to wish you all the best 
with this. 

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How do people find out more? 
I've on X Matt Campbell 911. 

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Otherwise, if you go to the 
Internet International Centre of

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911 Justice, that's ic911.org, 
They they cover what I've been 

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doing pretty well. 
That's going to happen in the 

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next few weeks. 
So yeah, fingers crossed we can 

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we can get that certificate and 
apply to the Supreme Court. 

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Brilliant. 
Thank. 

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You and and we should absolutely
recognize the support of 

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ic9911.org. 
If you haven't seen the 

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ic911.org website, please do. 
We've held events with them in 

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the past and we will be in the 
future. 

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So. 
So we'd like to wish you all the

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best, Matt and you. 
Keep us posted on how things are

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going. 
Yeah. 

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Cheers. 
Thanks, Mike. 

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Thanks, Patrick. 
Thanks. 

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OK, where does that take us? 
Then we'll head to the to the ad

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break. 
And if so, we'll say if you like

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what the UK column does, you'd 
like to support us, please have 

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a look at the front page of the 
UK column website. 

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You'll see a link there to a 
page. 

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We'll give you all the details. 
Once again, a massive thank you 

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to everybody that's supporting 
us financially and but if you 

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can't do that, at least share 
the material if you possibly 

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can. 
So that's that. 

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Now tonight at 7:00 PM, the work
weekly banter with Charles, 

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myself and Jerem will be live. 
So join us for that if you can. 

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It's another interesting 
conversation. 

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And yesterday's interview with 
Michael Yon is on the website. 

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Now question is who's running 
the jungle? 

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If you didn't see that 
yesterday, it's not available 

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for on demand for now the and 
then the final thing to mention 

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today is the UK column on 
location event taking place on 

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Saturday the 18th of October 
2025. 

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The tickets will be available 
from the end of this month on 

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the 20th of July. 
That's Monday. 

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So keep that date in your diary 
as well and hopefully we see as 

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many people as possible there 
too. 

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OK, now the propaganda machine 
took a new turn in the last few 

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days with claims of Russian use 
of chemical weapons in Ukraine. 

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Now, during a press conference, 
Donald Trump was asked about it.

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Let's have a listen to this 
little exchange. 

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What does US? 
Intelligence believe And what do

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you believe about the use of 
chemical? 

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Weapons and would you would. 
You free the Well, I'd ask. 

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John, maybe to discuss it, if 
you'd like, John. 

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Well, Mr. President. 
Obviously chemical weapons, if 

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it's documented in its use, it's
illegal. 

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It's against all international 
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treaties. 
And obviously I can't share in 

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this room with this audience the
intelligence that I can share 

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with you privately, but 
obviously you're not going to 

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stand or allow for any 
violations of international law 

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by anyone. 
That's right. 

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Thank you so very. 
Briefly, Patrick, that was very 

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interesting little exchange he 
had to seem. 

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It seems like he had to go to 
Hesketh to find out who he 

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needed to speak to about this 
question. 

460
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,800
Well, John, John Ratcliffe 
absolutely in the pocket of the 

461
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,720
Israeli lobby, everybody knows 
that, and probably in the pocket

462
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,360
of Mossad as well. 
So a very vague though, and you 

463
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,360
know, the timing of this mic is 
so suspect, but there's more on 

464
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:00,360
this. 
Well, it could be. 

465
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:03,120
Coming back to this, but before 
we come back to the main part of

466
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,440
this report of Patrick, let's 
just have a look at the British 

467
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,200
statement on this, because the 
statement goes that a statement 

468
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,000
published last week by the Dutch
in German intelligence services 

469
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
indicating Russian use of 
chemical weapons on the front 

470
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,560
line is deeply concerning. 
The OPCW has now published 3 

471
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,040
reports confirming the presence 
of CS gas in samples collected 

472
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,280
by Ukraine from the battlefield.
That is why the UK announced the

473
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,880
second package of sanctions this
week against 2 senior military 

474
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,240
officials and a Russian Research
Institute for their involvement 

475
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,680
in Russians chemical Russia's 
chemical weapons violations. 

476
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:46,480
So you know, as was stated by EU
guy in the US there and also the

477
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,440
British statement, no actual 
evidence of Russian use of 

478
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,960
chemical weapons. 
We've seen this MO before, 

479
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,200
haven't we? 
Yeah. 

480
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,320
It's tell but don't show. 
It's always the problem here. 

481
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,960
So here's the thing CS gas by 
the way, I mean I've I've been a

482
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,800
victim of CS gas tear gas 
basically that our police use in

483
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,000
America. 
So but as that constitute a war 

484
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,160
crime we don't know is still 
undocumented. 

485
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,520
But here's the problem. 
The timing of this MIC is so 

486
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,160
suspect. 
Why did why was this pushed this

487
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
week? 
Well, I don't believe in 

488
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,280
coincidences and politics. 
And let's bring this up on 

489
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,920
screen here. 
Date is July 1st. 

490
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,520
Note the date there. 
Russian forces discover a cachet

491
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,280
of Ukrainian chemical drone 
munitions as if by magic on the 

492
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,680
week before. 
So Moscow has accused Kiev of 

493
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,360
systematically violating the 
Chemical Weapons Convention. 

494
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,040
And let's look at some of the 
details here. 

495
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,760
Footage released by the FSB in 
chemical protection protection 

496
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,440
gear. 
So they found vials of 

497
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,920
chloropicrin or chloropistrin. 
OK, Choking agent prohibited 

498
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,400
under the Chemical Weapons 
Convention. 

499
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,520
According to the agency, 
substances were packaged with 

500
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,640
plastic explosives rigged into 
improvis. 

501
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,920
Improvised improv, improvised 
munitions. 

502
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,400
Pardon me, designed to be 
dropped from drones. 

503
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,160
So. 
And they go on. 

504
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Oh, sorry, we'll go back there. 
If you could reverse the frame 

505
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,040
for me, that would be wonderful.
So here's the problem with this.

506
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:27,320
OK, the that was last week. 
OK, that was last week, July 

507
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,520
1st. 
And so Russia was scheduled to 

508
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,840
present this on the 8th of July.
Trump's statement was on the 8th

509
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,320
of July, so the Russians were. 
Going to present this to him. 

510
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200
It was. 
It was presented to the OPCW at 

511
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880
the executive committee meeting.
So do you believe in 

512
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,920
coincidences? 
Not really, no. 

513
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,720
And so here's the Atlantic 
Council here, obviously pro war 

514
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,680
think tank. 
On July 10th, Russia accused of 

515
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,160
escalating chemical weapons 
attacks in Ukraine. 

516
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:01,800
So again they're saying Russia's
using chloropicrin, exactly what

517
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,840
Russia found a week ago in the 
Ukrainian A makeshift lab. 

518
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,400
And this was banned as an anti 
riot agent first used by the 

519
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,680
Germans during World War One. 
So again, they're bringing the 

520
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:18,080
Germans in to kind of bracket 
Russia with with Nazi Germany. 

521
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,320
So again, create the war crimes,
Sir. 

522
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
So back to this. 
And again, as I was saying, it's

523
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,800
going to be submitted here, 
Mike, to the executive session 

524
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,280
on July 8th, OK, as we said. 
So here is the chemical in 

525
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,240
question again used by Germany 
in World War One band. 

526
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,840
So it's infamous in that 
respect. 

527
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,800
So July 9th, 2024, exactly 1 
year ago, Ukraine violation of 

528
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,600
the Chemical Weapons Convention,
Russian engineering troops 

529
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,480
discovered a laboratory that was
using hydrogen cyanide. 

530
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,120
OK, very well documented. 
They sent all of the information

531
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,680
to the OPCW. 
OK, so and just further on that,

532
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,960
the facility had a Rotary 
evaporator and several chemical 

533
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,560
reactors, protective clothes, 
clothing was there, including US

534
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,920
made gas masks and Polish hazmat
suits. 

535
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Interesting, allegedly found the
site. 

536
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,360
So all of this has been supplied
to the authorities. 

537
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,360
And just to be clear, to date, 
Russia's filed 40 diplomatic 

538
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,320
notes, 40 regarding Ukraine's 
use of toxic chemicals in the 

539
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,360
battlefield over the last three 
years. 

540
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,000
And this is from one of their 
senior ministers there. 

541
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,040
So in terms of Mike, the 
evidence, the preponderance of 

542
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,400
evidence is absolutely on the 
Russian side in what they've 

543
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,120
presented to the official 
bodies. 

544
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,440
So so just. 
To be clear, this is not a case 

545
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,840
of he said, she said, because 
Russia is providing 

546
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,120
documentation, they're providing
evidence to the OPCW. 

547
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,960
And my question to you would be 
very briefly, is the OPCW past 

548
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,480
the politicization that we've 
seen of it in the last few years

549
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,520
or are they actually in a 
position to do anything? 

550
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,520
So whether they can attribute 
blame or not, that mechanism, 

551
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,160
which I'm not sure about the 
technicalities of that, but that

552
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,400
was something that they didn't 
have, but that they acquired 

553
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,640
through their executive during 
the whole Syria OPCW scandal. 

554
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,600
But the Syrian question is very 
different than this. 

555
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,040
This is a battlefield between 
two state actors, A very well 

556
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,960
documented Russia's providing 
GPS location, they're providing 

557
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,600
chain of custody, all of the 
things that Britain in the White

558
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,240
Helmets and everybody that was 
saying Assad was never did. 

559
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,680
So Russia's doing all that. 
So all of the Russian claims 

560
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,440
could be debunked very easily by
the experts. 

561
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,560
And Russia's also offered to 
facilitate more of an 

562
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,280
investigation should the OPCW 
want to go down that road. 

563
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,760
But as yet they haven't, right? 
Why haven't they? 

564
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,160
They haven't pursued any of the 
charges in a serious way against

565
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Ukraine. 
So yes, Mike, they are very 

566
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,920
politicized, but Russia is going
to go with the institutions that

567
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400
are available. 
This has always been their stoic

568
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,680
policy here. 
So here's a here's a video on 

569
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,000
it's a documentary called toxic 
the Toxic war. 

570
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,920
And this was on RT International
last year, I think. 

571
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,840
So this is around Difka. 
The big battle after Bakmut was 

572
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,520
a Difka just over a year ago. 
Watch this this trailer here. 

573
00:32:53,320 --> 00:33:07,920
What? 
I. 

574
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,920
That's available on Rumble in 
its entirety. 

575
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640
Unfortunately, Mike, if you're 
in the UK, you're not allowed to

576
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,520
see any of the material which we
just showed because the British 

577
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,280
government banned RT. 
So if you're trying to be a do 

578
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,200
journalism or make a case or 
look at counter arguments, you 

579
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,960
can't do it because of 
censorship. 

580
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,880
So again, if you want to debunk 
any of these claims made by 

581
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,920
Russia, you're more than 
welcome. 

582
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,480
That documentary was filmed 
around the village of Ugladar, 

583
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,160
which is just not in the 
vicinity of a deep cut, but 

584
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,520
where heavy fighting was going 
on. 

585
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,200
And again, all of that which was
shown you in that documentary 

586
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,440
film was supplied to the 
European authorities, to the 

587
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,960
OPCW. 
So Russia's not hiding anything.

588
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,320
They've got a lot of evidence 
that they've been supplying, but

589
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,920
no action has been taken. 
No, no inquiries into Ukraine's 

590
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,760
use of chemical weapons. 
But yet they're ramping up the 

591
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,040
Russian chemical weapons card 
making. 

592
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,360
Don't you think that's kind of 
bizarre in a way? 

593
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,120
Because it's, you know, it's, 
that's the last card you pull. 

594
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,639
And if you look at the British 
statement on this issue, the 

595
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,199
opening paragraph is Russia has 
launched a record-breaking 

596
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:32,159
attack of drones and missiles on
Ukraine and they're under threat

597
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,159
and so forth. 
And then Russia has the audacity

598
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,600
to use chemical weapons. 
I mean, honestly, does Russia 

599
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,639
need to use MacGyver style 
chemical weapons when they have 

600
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,880
Arushnik missiles and they're 
absolutely pounding Ukraine? 

601
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,159
So this is basically we're 
losing the war. 

602
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,040
That's the subtext. 
We're losing badly to Russia. 

603
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,840
Let's pull the chemical weapons 
card because isn't, wasn't that 

604
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,960
the case in Syria as well? 
The rebels were getting hounded 

605
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,080
and pounded in, in Ghouta, in 
Kanchehun, in Duma. 

606
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,720
And as if by magic, a chemical, 
yeah, a chemical attack 

607
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,920
manifests itself and all of a 
sudden you have air strikes and 

608
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,400
by the US and everyone's up in 
arms in the outrage. 

609
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,880
So it's just this pattern that 
we can't escape in the West. 

610
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,040
The chemical card is literally 
the last card of desperation. 

611
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,840
Absolutely. 
Well, let's then welcome Mark to

612
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,360
the program. 
And Mark, the since we've been 

613
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,600
talking about the destruction of
Ukraine, the conversation about 

614
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,640
the reconstruction and the 
recovery of Ukraine continues. 

615
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,120
So what's the latest on that 
because it's been another 

616
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,760
conference? 
Indeed. 

617
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,480
Good day, everyone. 
Yeah, the your your Ukraine. 

618
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,840
Excuse me, The Ukraine recovery 
Conference. 

619
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,480
It's surely here in Texas. 
The 4th Recovery Conference is 

620
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,640
winding up today in Rome, Italy.
And that this first slide kind 

621
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,040
of gives the overall framework 
of what's been going on actually

622
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,920
the last eight years. 
And they had the Berlin 

623
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,760
conference last year, the year 
before London, the year before 

624
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,400
that, Logano, Switzerland. 
And prior to those 3 and now the

625
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,280
4th Recovery Conference that 
have won on the last four years,

626
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,360
there were four prior reform 
conferences in Vilnius, Toronto,

627
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,960
Copenhagen and London dating 
from 2021 back to 2017. 

628
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,160
So overall this year that's 
winding up in Rome is the 8th 

629
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Ukraine event. 
Four of them have been reformed 

630
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,080
and now four of them have been 
recovery. 

631
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:41,360
And this is a little bit of an 
explanation of the philosophy 

632
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,840
behind it. 
They're dedicated to the swift 

633
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,040
recovery, they say, in the long 
term reconstruction of Ukraine 

634
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,240
since the beginning of what they
call Russia's full scale war of 

635
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,560
aggression. 
And governments, international 

636
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,240
orgs, financial institutions, 
businesses, regions, 

637
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,720
municipalities, civil society 
have come together. 

638
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,520
And they're united, they say, by
a shared commitment to 

639
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,800
strengthen the long term 
resilience of Ukraine. 

640
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,000
And it reflects the Lagano 
principles laid down in 

641
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,400
Switzerland back at that event. 
And some of those principles are

642
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,200
reform focus for Ukraine's 
European integration. 

643
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,440
And that's really the main goal 
here along with multi 

644
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480
stakeholder engagement. 
That's another example, gender 

645
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,160
equality, inclusion, some very 
liberal social sentiments there 

646
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,200
as well as environmentally 
speaking, sustainability, a very

647
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,000
green philosophy. 
And this year in Rome, as they 

648
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,320
wind up yesterday and today, 
these are the four planks They 

649
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,120
have business dimension, human 
dimension, logical and regional,

650
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,600
excuse me, local and regional 
dimension, pardon me, which 

651
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,440
includes recovery of 
municipalities and regions. 

652
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,200
But the all important fourth 
one, the EU dimension, EU 

653
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,720
accession and related reforms. 
Again, that's really kind of 

654
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:58,880
where this is going to make your
crane part of the EU officially.

655
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:05,120
And this is a quote that sort of
sort of summarizes that 4th 

656
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,880
plank. 
Now that's a picture of Ursula 

657
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,440
von der Lion at last year's 
recovery conference in Germany, 

658
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,400
as I indicated in the Photo, 
Credit there to make it clear. 

659
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,320
But this quote comes from the 
organizers this year, 

660
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,640
emphasizing that 4th plank 
advancing European integration 

661
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,480
and the perspective of joining 
the single market will help 

662
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,440
align Ukraine's policies and 
institutions with European 

663
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,480
standards and Dr. long term 
economic and social progress. 

664
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,160
So again, that's really where 
this is headed, irrespective of 

665
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,200
the war. 
They definitely want Ukraine 

666
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,280
fully in with both feet into the
European Union. 

667
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,920
But what's interesting, I took a
little harder look at this and 

668
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,520
they had what they called all 
these side meetings. 

669
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,280
Well, there was a total of 26 
side meetings around July 9 and 

670
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,080
10 before the official Ukraine 
Recovery conference took place 

671
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,560
in Rome. 
And these are just some samples.

672
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,720
And I think the side meetings is
really where the action was. 

673
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,560
Energy solutions for sustainable
regional development 

674
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,040
investments, innovation and 
resilience investments is a big 

675
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,800
thing. 
Another one, private Public 

676
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,280
Partnerships and regional 
development, unlocking 

677
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,320
opportunities together. 
I got a couple other examples of

678
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,720
these so-called side meetings, 
and this one's interesting. 

679
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:26,560
Strong media, transparent 
recovery, how journalism builds 

680
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,600
Ukraine's future. 
And of course, that's 

681
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,560
conventional journalism. 
No, no real alternative 

682
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,040
journalism is allowed. 
And then the Marshall Plan 

683
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,200
governance, The last example 
here of the side meetings, I'm 

684
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:43,040
showing 4 out of 26. 
This last example, a forum on 

685
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,520
the eve of the Ukraine recovery 
conference, and it gets into the

686
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,360
German Marshall Fund of the 
United States and basically 

687
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,640
compares rebuilding Ukraine with
the Marshall Plan in the 

688
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,720
aftermath of World War 2. 
There's a comparison being made 

689
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,360
there. 
And lastly, we have Larry Fink, 

690
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,480
everybody's favorite financier. 
And what's interesting here is 

691
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,360
the the left slide is from the 
Ukraine government itself in the

692
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,560
latter part of December 2022. 
So the conflict wasn't even a 

693
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,000
year old and President Zelensky 
was discussing with the CEO of 

694
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,960
BlackRock, Larry Fink, the 
coordination of efforts to 

695
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960
rebuild Ukraine. 
Even back then it was a much 

696
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,040
younger war yet. 
This other slide is from July 

697
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,720
7th, just a few days ago, and 
this is from the Kiev Post. 

698
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,680
And after all this time, 
BlackRock, they say, is backing 

699
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,760
out of a Ukrainian rebuild 
funding initiative. 

700
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,880
So Larry Fink was supposed to 
reportedly show up in Rome. 

701
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,920
Now, he probably still went, I 
imagine, but he was supposed to 

702
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,720
go to Rome and kind of present 
the findings and present the 

703
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,080
overall plan of how to rebuild 
your crane. 

704
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,200
But reportedly they're pulling 
back. 

705
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,600
The things didn't go quite as 
well. 

706
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,480
It's a little bit vague, but 
he's saying that people that 

707
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,040
were going to be involved in the
investment got cold feet, among 

708
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,560
other things. 
So apparently he was not 

709
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,920
prepared to make that 
presentation in Rome. 

710
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,600
These are just some of the 
developments. 

711
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,000
But obviously we've been 
concerned about BlackRock and 

712
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,840
their machinations a long time. 
Who's going to control the 

713
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,360
resources of Ukraine, The 
farmland? 

714
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,600
Will Will Ukrainians become 
serfs in their own land? 

715
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,280
These have been concerns a long 
time. 

716
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,600
So back to you guys on this 
subject I guess. 

717
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,520
Maybe it's the way the financial
situation in Ukraine, such a 

718
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,080
mess at the moment. 
Maybe it's too big a mess even 

719
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,320
for Fink. 
No, it's. 

720
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,240
It's because all the high 
performing mineral energy assets

721
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,480
are in the East under Russian 
control. 

722
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,080
That's why they're backing out. 
So. 

723
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,920
So is this another? 
Acknowledgement that the the the

724
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,320
wars lost them. 
It was all. 

725
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,280
A delusion from the beginning, 
because they're pretending to do

726
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,560
this reconstruction confab, when
in fact there was nothing really

727
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,760
worth reconstructing because all
the damage done on the Russian 

728
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,720
side. 
Guess who's going to be 

729
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:03,400
rebuilding that? 
Russia and maybe China, but not 

730
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,880
the West. 
So there's no contracts 

731
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,320
available. 
We were saying this two years 

732
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,200
ago. 
We were saying this two years 

733
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,400
ago. 
But anyway, it's good that 

734
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,640
Larry's caught up with us, yeah.
Isn't that just Mark? 

735
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,920
Let's change topics and and 
what's the latest on the 

736
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,520
International Health 
regulations? 

737
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,360
Well, this. 
Is an all important deadline 

738
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,120
that I talked about a few weeks 
back. 

739
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,480
We have to keep an eye on these 
things, of course, to keep our 

740
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,480
readers in the US as well as 
abroad up to speed on this. 

741
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,920
It's a very, of course, perilous
thing. 

742
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,160
The International Health 
Regulations and the World 

743
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Pandemic Treaty, there's a lot 
of concern that if there's 

744
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,760
another major declaration of 
international concern in terms 

745
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,680
of a pandemic, that the lockdown
could be even worse than 

746
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,400
2020-2021. 
We don't want that. 

747
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,720
We may never recover from it 
freedom wise. 

748
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,920
So this James Roguski very 
urgently share this with me in 

749
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,720
the wake of me being on one of 
his programs that I mentioned 

750
00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:59,960
recently. 
It's an open letter to world 

751
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:03,040
leaders. 
The deadline to reject the 2024 

752
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,960
amendments, that's when they 
were made last to the 

753
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,720
International Health Regs is 
July 19th this month, 2025. 

754
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,280
And this is a call for leaders 
around the world to invoke 

755
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,920
Article 61 of those regulations 
and reject the amendments. 

756
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:21,200
And the all important website is
reject theamendments.com the so 

757
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,640
the the regs contain their own 
element for not taking part. 

758
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Individual nations can can opt 
out. 

759
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,920
That's what's being stressed 
here. 

760
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:34,240
The basic status of The Who 
member states under the IHRI 

761
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,480
mentioned the deadline July 19th
for the heads of state of 192 

762
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,440
out of 196 nations that are 
parties to those regs to reject 

763
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,680
the 2024 amendments. 
There are 4 holdouts, Iran of 

764
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,600
all places, Netherlands, New 
Zealand and Slovakia. 

765
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,760
They operated a little 
differently in the context of 

766
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,240
the procedure of this. 
So the deadline for these Four 

767
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,720
Nations to reject the 2024 
amendments is March 19 of next 

768
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:03,760
year. 
They're on a little bit 

769
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,320
different track again, due to 
the procedures and the the red 

770
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:12,120
tape of how this thing operates.
And Raguski is mainly calling on

771
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,360
people to call the White House 
in the United States for those 

772
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,680
US listeners that are inclined 
to do that. 

773
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,720
I know that number is 
202-456-1414. 

774
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,520
And you can wait to talk to an 
attendant who takes public input

775
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,920
in person. 
Evidently it's not prerecorded, 

776
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,960
it's an actual live attendant. 
But you're you're advised to 

777
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,040
give very brief comments and to 
be patient and wait to be 

778
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,880
connected. 
The difficulty for UK and 

779
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,200
European residents is is a 
little more pronounced in terms 

780
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
of getting their voices heard. 
But it's best to contact your 

781
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,600
members of Parliament and spread
this, you know, spread the link 

782
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,880
to this episode of UK column. 
Go to rejecttheamendments.com 

783
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,720
and and spread that word. 
You know, spread that website 

784
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,800
around your social media. 
That's what regards he's 

785
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,960
suggesting anyway. 
He, he provided top 10 reasons 

786
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,480
to reject the amendments. 
These are just a couple 

787
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,200
examples. 
He's saying director general of 

788
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,080
The Who Tadros, he would be 
empowered if these amendments 

789
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,560
are improved to declare a 
pandemic emergency based solely 

790
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,440
upon his determination with no 
checks and balances. 

791
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,080
And the director general, 
Roguski is also pointing out, 

792
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,920
failed to properly submit the 
final version of the proposed 

793
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,360
amendments with at least four 
months prior notice as required 

794
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,120
by Article 55, Section 2. 
So evidently that rule was 

795
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,240
abridged. 
And also another example of the 

796
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,440
top ten. 
It's absolutely unacceptable 

797
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,560
that healthy people who are 
merely suspected have have of 

798
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,840
being exposed to a contagion may
be quarantined. 

799
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,040
Article 27. 
So that's a protest saying 

800
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,320
that's unacceptable. 
And this just shows that there 

801
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,760
is a online poll about this at 
reject the amendments at that 

802
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,160
website. 
So this is just a punctuated 

803
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,040
kind of urgent message guys to 
to keep an eye on this issue 

804
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,960
amid all the other headlines 
we're dealing with. 

805
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:09,360
Thanks Mark. 
Now Patrick. 

806
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,960
On Wednesday, Charles ended the 
program with this rather strange

807
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,880
tweet that came from Grok or 
Strange Grok 4, and with the new

808
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,280
improved. 
Grok the new improved. 

809
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Grok the Singularity. 
Is upon us, I hear. 

810
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:25,440
Yes. 
Which of? 

811
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,880
Course is X's AI platform. 
What happened following that? 

812
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,320
Well, the. 
CEO resigned Linda Yakarino, 

813
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,360
we'll bring this up on screen 
here. 

814
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,520
So she basically resigned and 
and partly because of this 

815
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,800
meltdown by Grokwood, which is 
being characterized as 

816
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,760
anti-Semitic meltdown. 
And just look how the press is, 

817
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,360
is is basically positioning this
ex advertisers very key because 

818
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,440
she was brought on as CEO to 
increase their advertising 

819
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,080
revenue because that's her 
wheelhouse. 

820
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,520
Ex advertisers remain silent 
after Grok goes off the rails 

821
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,600
and the CEO resigns. 
So Grok apparently is 

822
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,520
anti-Semitic. 
So if the if the singularity is 

823
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,320
here, I guess the singularity is
going to be anti-Semitic, at 

824
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,320
least the one that Elon's 
programming here. 

825
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,120
But but Linda Yacarino, you 
know, that's, that's 

826
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,160
interesting. 
She's taking this, you know, 

827
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,240
moral stance, right? 
Just look at this. 

828
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,680
Remember the Israeli attack on 
the using the pagers in Lebanon 

829
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,640
that killed hundreds and, and 
and injured thousands, including

830
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:33,160
medical workers, women and 
normal people? 

831
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,680
That there's Linda Yacarino 
basically, and that's her tweet 

832
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,040
at the time. 
Take a closer look at that. 

833
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,440
We'll just do move that up and 
show she gave a little explosion

834
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,400
emoji to basically say how cool 
it was that the Mossad waged 

835
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,120
this pager attack on the 
Lebanese. 

836
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,720
So she herself is a little bit 
of an extremist, but I'll be an 

837
00:47:56,720 --> 00:48:00,760
acceptable extremist as far as 
the US establishment go, IE pro 

838
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Israel. 
So I just thought I'd throw that

839
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,920
any particular? 
Statement on this she said 

840
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,520
anything publicly yet about. 
What about Croc? 

841
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Yeah, she, I need to, obviously 
we haven't reported on the 

842
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,480
details of that because we just 
got this story just in the last 

843
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,800
24 hours, but maybe we can 
elaborate on that in the future.

844
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,720
We don't have, I don't have that
to hand. 

845
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:22,320
Yeah, sure. 
OK. 

846
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:22,800
No. 
Problem. 

847
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,600
That's cool, Mark. 
Let's bring you back then. 

848
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,760
And of course, the tragedy in 
Texas, where you live over the 

849
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,560
last few days, has been with 
respect to the flooding and the 

850
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:38,320
deaths resulted. 
Indeed, it's about 220 miles 

851
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,520
north northwest of where I live.
And this is from the US Drought 

852
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,160
Monitor, a legitimate source of 
information here. 

853
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,840
Kerr County, Texas, 
interestingly enough, 

854
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,720
experienced a dry spell or 
drought before the flash 

855
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,440
flooding. 
Flooding that took place on 

856
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,240
Independence Day, the 4th of 
July in the early morning hours 

857
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,600
according to the US Drought 
Monitor. 

858
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,160
And I emphasize this, Kerr 
County was experiencing severe 

859
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,880
to exceptional drought 
conditions before the downpours 

860
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,000
began. 
Drought conditions in Kerr 

861
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,080
County have persisted since the 
start of 2025. 

862
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,520
This dry spell likely 
contributed to the severity of 

863
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,080
the floods as the compacted 
soil, which can turn to clay and

864
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,760
kind of act like a retaining 
bowl from the drought, reduced 

865
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,320
the grounds ability to absorb 
rainfall. 

866
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,920
And as we've heard and our 
hearts and prayers go out, of 

867
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:31,720
course, 120 plus dead in a six 
county area total and 170 plus 

868
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,960
missing. 
Those aren't necessarily the 

869
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,200
latest numbers, but they're 
reasonably close. 

870
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,480
Now this is AUS drought monitor 
map and you'll see that along 

871
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,760
with the Texas, New Mexico 
border a little further east in 

872
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,840
Texas. 
And then where I put the arrow, 

873
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,160
Kerr County, Texas is here. 
Those were three of the main 

874
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,640
major drought areas as of July 
1st, that deep red color so that

875
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,000
it really was very dry there and
that's definitely a contributing

876
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,160
factor. 
You can also have situations 

877
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,480
where the ground is so 
saturated, there's nowhere to go

878
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,360
but up see. 
So it can it can get you both 

879
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,720
ways. 
Now moving on from there, 

880
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,080
there's a number of other points
of interest. 

881
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,480
This shows some B roll of a 
major bridge there through Kerr 

882
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,840
County. 
This is from a Fox News 

883
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,640
affiliate probably out of San 
Antonio, and it gives you some 

884
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:31,240
idea of the the severity of the 
flood, that's for sure. 

885
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,600
A house is swept away, such as 
that one butting up against 

886
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,240
highway, highway right of ways 
and things like that. 

887
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,440
A pretty scary situation along 
the Guadalupe. 

888
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,320
I've been along that part of the
Guadalupe River once a very 

889
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,800
popular area. 
There's a summer camps and all 

890
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,480
sorts of activities all along 
that river. 

891
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,640
It's it's a very pretty area 
northwest of San Antonio in 

892
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,880
what's called Hill Country. 
So we got to look at that now. 

893
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:09,200
This is an Associated Press item
getting into the controversy 

894
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,360
that exists on social media. 
Not taking sides here, just 

895
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,920
reporting the phenomenon. 
Associated Press fact Focus. 

896
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,760
No weather modification. 
Excuse me, no comma. 

897
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,680
Weather modification Did not 
'cause the deadly flash floods 

898
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,880
in Texas. 
Got to make sure I honor that 

899
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,320
comma there when I read it. 
The claim my sum is a July 2nd 

900
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,200
cloud seeding operation by 
Rainmaker Technology 

901
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,360
Corporation, which does exist 
and they did, they did conduct 

902
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,960
an operation. 
The claim is that they somehow 

903
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,440
caused the floods in Texas Hill 
Country on that weekend. 

904
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,120
The facts as Associated Press 
sees it, is it's not possible 

905
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,560
that cloud seeding generated the
floods as the process can only 

906
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,800
produce limited rain using 
clouds that already exist. 

907
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,040
I think that's generally thought
to be true forecast predicted 

908
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,480
for that weekend, forecasting 
rain were prior to July 2nd in 

909
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,320
what's generally known as a 
flood prone area. 

910
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,720
And a friend of mine, Ron Avery,
who lives to the east over in 

911
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:12,680
Seguin, he used to live along 
the Guadalupe River. 

912
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,760
He said most of it at least is 
indeed a flood prone area. 

913
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,720
He even built a house there and 
he had to put the house kind of 

914
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:24,320
on stilts, he was telling me. 
But anyway, just as a point of 

915
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,880
fact about Rainmaker as a 
company, this is almost a 

916
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,760
separate story. 
This is their website. 

917
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,160
Their slogan is making Earth 
habitable. 

918
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,960
And when you read their stuff, 
they kind of take a more climate

919
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,760
change is real green 
sustainability kind of 

920
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,280
philosophy. 
Whereas other cloud seeding 

921
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,800
companies I've looked at like 
the South Texas Weather 

922
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,200
Modification Association, they 
tend to take a more non 

923
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,640
political or apolitical stance. 
Whereas Rainmaker again is more 

924
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:00,600
of that green philosophy. 
But here's Augustus Dorico and 

925
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,920
for the record he's the 
Rainmaker Technology Corporation

926
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,400
founder and CEO. 
And for the record, he was a 

927
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,360
Peter Thiel Fellow. 
In 2024, he received a $100,000 

928
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,640
Teal Foundation grant. 
And this picture is taken from a

929
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:20,840
YouTube interview of him over 2 
hours long by Shawn Ryan, a 

930
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,880
noted commentator who that 
identifies himself as an ex Navy

931
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:30,040
SEAL and ex CIA contractor. 
So August Historico, I watched 

932
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,760
part of it. 
He explains a lot of things 

933
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,680
pretty clearly. 
He says they actually work more 

934
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,640
on making it snow than they do 
on making it rain, and they 

935
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,320
emphasize using drones to do so.
Now this is a little bit about 

936
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,880
their philosophy from that 
website, just to give you a 

937
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,040
flavor of it. 
Increasing global consumption 

938
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,320
and changing climate patterns 
are accelerating the depletion 

939
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,000
of freshwater resources. 
Humanity is responsible for 

940
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,160
protecting the vitality of the 
natural world of civilization. 

941
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,800
Rainmakers precipitation 
enhancement technology is the 

942
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,800
only immediate scalable solution
to create abundant freshwater. 

943
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,280
And then I've got a little 
something on the areas they 

944
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:14,680
cover and that is keep growing, 
which is agricultural to help 

945
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,640
the farmers supply utilities, 
mitigate drought. 

946
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,720
And maybe that was part of the 
July 2nd plan when they were in 

947
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,400
Rungi and Karn County. 
Rungi is a city in Karn County, 

948
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,640
Texas, on the other side of San 
Antonio, where we learned from 

949
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,480
that drought newspaper that I 
mentioned a little while ago, We

950
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,600
learned that there was very dry 
conditions. 

951
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,080
So whatever limited operations 
they had July 2nd may have been 

952
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,000
to mitigate drought and nothing 
more and restoring ecosystems. 

953
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,920
So that that's the essential 
stuff for today on this just to 

954
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,640
get the full gamut of what's 
being discussed and what the 

955
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,960
controversies are. 
But overall, that pretty much 

956
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,280
wraps it up for now, guys. 
Thanks. 

957
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,080
Mark, do you have any thoughts 
on the controversy itself? 

958
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,960
Well, A. 
Couple of points jumped out at 

959
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,000
me, of course 1 is that there 
was forecast for major storms 

960
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,960
beforehand so and prior to the 
cloud seeding on July 2nd. 

961
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,600
So that would lend one to 
believe that yes, there was a 

962
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,120
monsoon on the way. 
And so that would sort of cancel

963
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,160
out the theory that the 
rainmaker caused the a major 

964
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,360
monsoon, 15 inches of rain in a 
very short space of time. 

965
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,560
The other thing is they do do 
cloud seeding in these areas. 

966
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,960
This specific area as well has 
had cloud seeding done to it for

967
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,240
for many, many years. 
So why haven't there been a 

968
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:43,600
massive flood, for instance, 
like this one we've seen this 

969
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,720
week? 
Or is just we're looking at a 

970
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,360
situation where it is feast or 
famine when it comes to the 

971
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,240
weather and some of these 
drought prone areas and flash 

972
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,440
flooding is just a reality? 
Certainly I I found that to be 

973
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,360
the case in other parts of the 
United States. 

974
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,200
Texas is particularly bad in 
that respect, yes. 

975
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,000
OK, well, look, we're going to 
thank you for that, Mark, but 

976
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,560
we're going to finish today with
a little bit of a an amusing 

977
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,800
story, I suppose we could say in
a certain sense. 

978
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,400
And and that's this because the 
UK column has been reporting on 

979
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,400
the narrative building by 
successive British regimes for 

980
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,800
war in the Arctic since around 
2016. 

981
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,920
And if you use the search 
function on the UK column 

982
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,640
website and just put the word 
Arctic and you'll see all the 

983
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,160
reporting that we've done over 
the years. 

984
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,280
Now the narrative goes a lot 
like this. 

985
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,280
Climate change is opening up the
northwestern and N northeastern 

986
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,920
passages for navigation resource
exploitation, and that this is 

987
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,640
causing competition with Russia 
and China for navigation and 

988
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,160
mineral rights. 
Now, this is largely what, for 

989
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,080
example, what's behind Trump's 
claims on Canada and Greenland 

990
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,120
in recent months. 
Now yesterday, the BBC finally 

991
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,320
caught up, although rather than 
challenging the narrative, they 

992
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,200
naturally support it. 
But they published this article.

993
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,880
The struggle for control of the 
Arctic is accelerating, and it's

994
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,560
riskier than ever. 
Which is really. 

995
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,480
Quite a coincidence, because 
just a few hours prior to the 

996
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,920
BBC publishing their article, a 
screening was held. 

997
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,000
I'm sorry. 
Oh, right. 

998
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,480
OK, so I've just blown that, but
a screening was held for a 

999
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,280
documentary. 
Documentary produced by someone 

1000
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,040
who has worked very closely with
the BBC for many years. 

1001
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:30,200
That's David Bailey and well, 
Patrick and I attended the 

1002
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,600
screening. 
The film was complete propaganda

1003
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,800
piece. 
I think it's fair to say, 

1004
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,600
Patrick, or do you think I'm 
unfair in saying that it it did?

1005
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,240
Appear that way very pro 
military about the, you know, 

1006
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,520
almost saying we need to 
militarize the Arctic to to to 

1007
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,200
counter the Russian threat and 
the Chinese who are both up to 

1008
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,760
no good. 
And so we need to pour lots of 

1009
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,600
resources into the Arctic 
because this is the new 

1010
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:58,400
frontline in in the new sort of 
not so cold, Cold War and. 

1011
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,920
And lots of imagery like this. 
This is just a short excerpt 

1012
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,440
from it. 
Now, this film has yet to be 

1013
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,760
released in the UK, although it 
has been released in other 

1014
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,760
European countries, including 
those in the Arctic region. 

1015
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:16,120
But you know, the message very 
much is that both sides, by that

1016
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,200
I mean the West and Russia and 
China are, are arming. 

1017
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,760
Now, one of the things that 
though I found quite strange in 

1018
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,280
the narrative that was being 
presented was of course, the 

1019
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,600
reason for this, Patrick, is 
climate change means that in 

1020
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:38,800
fact, we have easy navigation 
through across the Arctic region

1021
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,160
and so on. 
And it's therefore possible to 

1022
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,400
get places, not only to get 
places, but to exploit the raw 

1023
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,800
materials as we're as we're 
saying. 

1024
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,280
And so that's on one hand and 
yet on the other hand, they're 

1025
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,600
busy talking about the fact that
China and Russia will China in 

1026
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,520
particular, investing huge 
amounts of money building Ice 

1027
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,000
Breakers like they're going out 
of fashion. 

1028
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,840
And and so the question is, how 
do these these two positions 

1029
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,920
stack up? 
Because it seems to me that if, 

1030
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,040
if the ice is melting and we're 
heading towards an ice free 

1031
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,440
Arctic, then there's no need for
Ice Breakers. 

1032
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,040
Well, I. 
Think not yet, because there is 

1033
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,080
no ice ice free Arctic and and 
Al Gore was promising an ice 

1034
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,760
free Arctic. 
You remember the The 

1035
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,240
Inconvenient Truth back in in 
2005 basically saying that it 

1036
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,560
will be ice free by like 2010 or
something like that. 

1037
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,880
Anyway, here we are in 2025. 
It's still not ice free. 

1038
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,960
And the definition of ice free, 
according to the experts, isn't 

1039
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,400
no ice. 
It's less than 1,000,000. 

1040
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,440
Square. 
Miles of ice cover. 

1041
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,920
And so if you look at the work 
of Tony Heller at Real Climate 

1042
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,800
Science or Piers Corbin and some
of these other what you might 

1043
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,480
call climate skeptics, you'll 
note that there is still heavy 

1044
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,160
ice cover most of the year in 
the Arctic. 

1045
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,920
And it's only during certain 
times in the summer where 

1046
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,720
certain passages are opening up.
And again, we don't want to get 

1047
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,240
into the climate debate, but 
ergo, the thesis is because it's

1048
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,120
melting. 
This is why Russia is ramping up

1049
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,880
its military activity to take 
over the resources of the 

1050
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,280
Arctic. 
But there's no no one saying 

1051
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,400
that. 
Isn't the reason Russia's 

1052
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,400
remilitarizing is because of the
NATO expansion into Finland and 

1053
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,600
Sweden and let's say the blowing
up of the Nordstrom pipeline and

1054
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,400
a few other things? 
And they'll say, no, no, no, it 

1055
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,520
doesn't have anything to do with
that. 

1056
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,520
It's, it's because of Ukraine 
that NATO has expanded, because 

1057
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,920
somehow what happened in Ukraine
means that Sweden and Finland 

1058
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,040
are under threat. 
So that's the logic. 

1059
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:43,000
And I'm, I'm sorry, but this is 
just, it's disingenuous at best.

1060
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,280
This is the same type of 
circular logic you see at every 

1061
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,280
level of the NATO strata. 
And certainly our media has 

1062
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,840
bought into that narrative. 
So the reality is this type of a

1063
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,520
film, this, these types of 
stories in the BBC are sending a

1064
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,720
clear message, Mike, which is 
that war is coming, war is 

1065
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,400
inevitable. 
There's no chance for diplomacy.

1066
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,280
We can't compromise with the 
Russians or the Chinese, and 

1067
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,880
because they're up to no good as
well. 

1068
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,200
And so there's no diplomatic 
track. 

1069
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,040
So get ready for war. 
But yet Europe is not wanting to

1070
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,920
actually fight with Russia 
because they are afraid to even 

1071
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,080
send any troops into Ukraine. 
Why is that? 

1072
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,040
Because they don't want to fight
Russia. 

1073
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,320
They want Ukraine to be the 
proxy and they want to keep 

1074
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,240
making money on all the defense 
industry contracts and so forth 

1075
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,840
that are causing defense stocks 
in Europe to go through the 

1076
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,040
roof. 
If you have a stock portfolio 

1077
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,240
with any of those companies and 
you know what I'm talking about 

1078
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,240
so there's money to be made 
here. 

1079
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,840
These are good jobs, good 
defense jobs. 

1080
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,040
They call them. 
You remember just like good 

1081
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,920
green jobs. 
You remember that good green 

1082
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,400
jobs Well, now it's forget the 
green new deal. 

1083
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,480
Now it's the defense. 
It's the defense new deal, good 

1084
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,320
defense jobs. 
So they want to remilitarize and

1085
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,040
mobilize society to fight a war 
that, let's face it, Europe's 

1086
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,400
not really interested in 
fighting, and they would require

1087
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,880
American backup to do it anyway 
while all America is receding 

1088
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,200
from the European theater. 
But hey, let's make some money 

1089
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,680
along the way. 
And it's a great distraction 

1090
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,880
from all the real problems, the 
real problems in this country, 

1091
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,600
in Europe and in the region, not
to mention an increasing wealth 

1092
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,240
gap, which is going to increase 
even more with these types of 

1093
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:25,400
agendas. 
Mike. 

1094
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,200
So resilience, it's all about 
resilience, Defence resilience, 

1095
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,200
absolutely. 
And as I say, this is just the 

1096
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,960
latest salvo in a narrative 
that's been building for several

1097
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,480
years now, which we've been 
tracking. 

1098
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,360
So do have a look at the UK 
column website for the history 

1099
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,600
of this. 
OK, let's leave it there for 

1100
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:44,680
today. 
I'm going to say thank you very 

1101
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,600
much to Matt Campbell for 
joining us. 

1102
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,640
Thank you to Mark and Patrick, 
of course, and thank you for 

1103
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,440
everybody that's been watching. 
We'll be back in a few minutes 

1104
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,520
of UK Column member for UK 
Column News Extra. 

1105
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,800
Otherwise, have a great weekend 
and we'll see you at 1:00 PM as 

1106
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,360
usual on Monday. 
See you then. 

1107
01:02:59,440 --> 01:02:59,800
Bye bye.