1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,680 Good afternoon. It's just gone 1:00 on Wednesday 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,640 the 20th of August 2025. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,840 I'm your host, Charles Mallett and I'm joined in the studio 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,640 today by Mike Robinson. Welcome to the programme, Mike. 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,640 Thank you, Charles. Good and by live link by Vanessa 6 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,960 Bailey from Lebanon and Sandy Adams from Somerset. 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,360 Now in today's programme we'll be covering a great range of 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:38,120 topics from JD Vance's visit to the UK, including a look into 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,120 his past and how that relates to his relationship with Peter 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,800 Thiel and Palantir. A further look at online safety 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,080 and in particular how it's being used as a pretext for pushing to 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,800 get rid of VPNs, as of course was predicted by UK column. 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,480 A further look into the fallout from the Alaska meeting between 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,640 Trump and Putin and how that bears relation to what's 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,400 happening in Syria. News from Australia concerning 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,360 the suggestion of financial motivation for abortion and 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,160 cybersecurity in the wake of the Bayesian disaster of a year ago. 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,320 Also an on the ground update from the precarious situation in 19 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:19,000 Lebanon and the ever increasing reach of the bio security state. 20 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:25,400 Now, before all of that, we will go to Mike for his take and 21 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,560 indeed a report on the Coalition of the willing. 22 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,200 Well, I think, well, we can't really call it that because it 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,880 wasn't the whole coalition of the willing. 24 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,400 They're now claiming that the coalition of the willing is 30 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,480 heads of state. And but nonetheless, several of 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,280 them headed off to the United States. 27 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,840 On Wednesday, Starmer, the EU leaders and Zelensky landed in 28 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,520 Washington on Wednesday to try and keep the Ukraine war going. 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,360 Now, determined not to be left out, they worked on Trump to try 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,120 to get boots on the ground, otherwise known as security 31 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,120 guarantees. Trump has apparently not ruled 32 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:11,360 out the possibility of US boots on the ground, but the main aim 33 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,480 is to deploy EU troops and I include the UK and that as one 34 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,360 of the leaders of European Defence Union. 35 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,000 Now, Trump said there'll be a lot of help when it comes to 36 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,080 security. It's going to be good. 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,000 They meaning Europe are first in line, first line of defence 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,040 because they're there. But we're going to help them out 39 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,200 also will be involved when it comes, he said. 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,320 And as I mentioned, he also refused 3 times to rule out 41 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,480 sending U.S. troops to Ukraine, despite previously saying that 42 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,600 they would, that he would not put American boots on the 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,280 ground. We'll let you know that maybe 44 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,400 later today, he said. Now, Starmer said, when we talk 45 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,680 about security, we're talking about security not just in 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,360 Ukraine. We're talking about the security 47 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,480 of Europe and the United Kingdom as well, which is why this is 48 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,960 such an important issue. But your indication of security 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,560 guarantees speaking to Trump of some sort of Article 5 style 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,360 guarantees, I think we could take a really this could take a 51 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,240 really important step forward today, a historic step actually 52 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,200 could come out of this meeting in terms of security for Ukraine 53 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,920 and security in Europe. I will come back to that in a 54 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:20,960 moment. But asked about sorry, asked 55 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,040 what security guarantees he needed to agree to peace, 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,800 Zelensky. Zelensky said everything. 57 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,120 It includes 2 parts. 1st, a strong Ukrainian army. 58 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,880 It's a lot about weapons and people and training missions and 59 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,640 intelligence. And 2nd, it depends on big 60 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,600 countries, on the United States, on a lot of our friends. 61 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,040 Trump suggested a permanent peace could be negotiated 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,600 without a ceasefire. Mertz said no to that. 63 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,200 I can't imagine. He said the next meeting would 64 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,160 take place without a ceasefire. Let's try to put pressure on 65 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,520 Russia because the credibility of these efforts depends on a 66 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,280 ceasefire. And he went on to say the 67 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,440 question of who will participate in the security guarantees and 68 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:00,560 to what extent. Some. 69 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,920 It is something we must of course discuss between our 70 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,800 European partners and with the US administration. 71 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,720 It's absolutely clear that the whole of Europe should 72 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,200 participate. After all, it's not just about 73 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,279 the territory of Ukraine, it is about Europe's political order. 74 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,240 And that is an absolutely incredible statement, Charles, 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,000 because as you know, he is arguing for a real EU level 76 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,040 military deployment as being key to the development of the EU 77 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,440 itself. And that's exactly what we've 78 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,600 been warning about for a decade or more. 79 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,000 So anyway, later yesterday evening, NATO or sorry, on 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,200 Wednesday evening, NATO Secretary General Mark Ruta 81 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,040 spoke to Fox News and this is what he had. 82 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,680 This he, this is reported by Reuters here. 83 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,240 But let's have a look at what he had to say. 84 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:54,200 He said the situation is this, that the US and some other 85 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,840 countries have said that they are against NATO membership for 86 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:00,920 Ukraine. The official NATO position is 87 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,400 that there is an irreversible path for Ukraine and NATO. 88 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,560 But what we're discussing here is not NATO membership. 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,600 What we're discussing here is Article 5 type of security 90 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:15,720 guarantees for Ukraine and what exactly they will entail will 91 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:17,800 now be more specifically discussed. 92 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,280 So clearly they are expecting that while Russia considers NATO 93 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:26,360 membership for Ukraine to be a bad, to be a red line, sorry, 94 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,440 that they'll somehow, that Russia will somehow capitulate 95 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,840 to an alternative which is tantamount to debt to NATO 96 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:35,040 membership. So we'll see how that goes. 97 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,040 And, well, because I can't possibly let this report 98 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,160 conclude without some degree of sadomastochistic torture, here's 99 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,600 a little of what Keir Starmer said following the meeting. 100 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,840 So back at the British Embassy now after a long day, but a good 101 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:56,440 day and a productive day because both of the outcomes that we, 102 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,280 the United Kingdom, most wanted, we've moved forward in a 103 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:03,080 material way. And there was a real sense of 104 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,520 unity between the European leaders that were here today and 105 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,480 President Trump and President Zelensky. 106 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,120 And two big outcomes, A breakthrough when it comes to 107 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:18,440 security guarantees with now the coalitional willing countries. 108 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,280 That's the 30 or so countries that we've been coordinating for 109 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,760 some months on security guarantees. 110 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,240 Now working with the US at pace to work up those security 111 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,440 guarantees, these guarantees will ensure that if there is a 112 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,040 peace, if there is a deal, then we hold to it and there isn't 113 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,240 further conflict. So really important for Ukraine, 114 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,960 really important for Europe and really important for the United 115 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,600 Kingdom as well. That's why it was an outcome we 116 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,600 really wanted to achieve today. The second is that there will 117 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,840 now be a bilateral meeting between President Putin and 118 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:56,320 President Zelensky after a phone call by President Trump during 119 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,120 the course of this afternoon to President Putin, followed by a 120 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,360 trilateral meeting with President Trump as well. 121 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,880 Now, that's really important because it's a real recognition 122 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,720 of the principle that no decisions about Ukraine can be 123 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,840 taken without Ukraine. Ukraine must be at the table. 124 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,200 So whether it's territorial issues, whether it's prisoners, 125 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,040 whether it's the missing children, a really important 126 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,800 step forward there. Now, these were both the 127 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:29,000 outcomes that we planned for and wanted from today, because with 128 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,720 that sense of unity, we're able to make real progress. 129 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,440 So hopefully that wasn't too painless but painful. 130 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,040 Sorry to apologise now. All of this was followed up with 131 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,160 a virtual meeting yesterday of the so-called coalition, the 132 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,760 Willing that Starmer mentioned there. 133 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,560 And according to the readout, the coalition of the willing is, 134 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,840 is planning that teams will meet with their US counterparts in 135 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,000 the next few days to quote, further strengthen plans to 136 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,080 deliver robust security guarantees and prepare for the 137 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,240 deployment of a reassurance force if the if the hostilities 138 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,680 are ended. So apparently there will be, as 139 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,320 Starmer mentioned there, there's got to be this bilateral 140 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,440 Zelensky Putin meeting followed by a trilateral adding Trump 141 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,400 back into the mix with the aim of an Article 5 style guarantee 142 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,320 for Ukraine with EU defence union boots on the ground, 143 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,120 so-called reassurance force. This is all setting up a 144 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,040 scenario for some kind of incident, I would argue blamed 145 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,560 on Russia which enables permanent conflict. 146 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,040 Perhaps Russia would be mad to accept this in my opinion. 147 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,520 Although it has to be stressed that nothing has been said yet 148 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,360 about Russia, about what Russia is being offered. 149 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,120 It's going to have to be something big, probably an offer 150 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,800 they can't refuse, so to speak. So, you know, I don't know, 151 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,280 Charles, what you make of it, But you know, you notice when 152 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,320 Starmer was speaking there, the coalition that we are 153 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,200 coordinating, this is a British effort. 154 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,240 Yes, absolutely. I mean, I think there are 155 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,480 certainly points to draw out of this and I dare say we won't 156 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,280 have time now. So we'll go on into into extra 157 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,720 with this. But I think that one of the 158 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,120 first things, just finishing on what you were saying there in 159 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,960 terms of reassurance, I think it would really only be the defence 160 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,160 industry that takes reassurance for anything that's being 161 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,840 proposed so far. And the, the, it's interesting 162 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,920 to see how the narrative has moved on over the last few 163 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,800 months because of course, when we were discussing this several 164 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,520 months ago, this coincided with the the supposed deal for rare 165 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,040 earth minerals that Donald Trump had apparently struck with 166 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Ukraine. And that was when there was 167 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:28,680 suggestion of a peacekeeping force. 168 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,680 And that's of course, being pushed quietly to one side 169 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:35,840 because certainly if one is to follow what the United Nations 170 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,640 sets out, a peacekeeping force specifically requires the 171 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,000 consent of all parties to a conflict. 172 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,800 And of course, Russia had been very clear to state that they 173 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,640 were not going to, to guarantee that they would go along with 174 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,240 any such thing. So I think that's an important 175 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,640 point. I think the other thing really 176 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,800 is just the, the, you know, you've brought a lot of the, the 177 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,400 sort of narrative points out of this and I've printed out a 178 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,040 little bit of it. But, but it's, you know, the 179 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,280 language used is just completely suggestive of, of, of war. 180 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,840 I mean, you're talking about peace and then talking about a 181 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,760 force that can deploy in the days following the cessation of 182 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,760 hostilities. Of course we've got 4.5 billion 183 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,120 pinesworth of military support going to Ukraine this year 184 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,440 talking about drone, the, the drone industry and, and all the 185 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,800 rest of it. And the other thing I think is 186 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:26,200 Radican chief of defence staff, who should be regarded 187 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,360 absolutely as a politician and a propagandist in all of this. 188 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,840 And to, to consider that he has any other part to play, I think 189 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,600 is, is wilfully naive. But he, he spoke last week in 190 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,280 Washington to the Centre for Strategic and International 191 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Studies, and he said his his sort of opening gambit was to 192 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,880 say that we're in a new, more dangerous era, but Britain 193 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,520 remains safe, NATO is stronger, Russia is weak. 194 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,280 And that that was the line of what he had to say. 195 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:00,640 He, he went on to talk about the sort of advent of the conflict. 196 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,000 And again, I think the point to be made there is we're right 197 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,080 back to the beginning in terms of suggesting that we must be 198 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,960 next rather than listening to anything that Putin or, or the 199 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,560 Russian administration has actually said about their 200 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,760 objectives. This insistence that Kiev should 201 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,120 have fallen because that's what they were setting out to do. 202 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,480 And in actual fact, there's no substantive evidence of that 203 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,120 point being pursued at all. So I mean, a huge amount to come 204 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,800 out of this. But, but as I say, it's all 205 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,160 pointing towards re the reconstruction and, and the, the 206 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,520 seizing of, I mean ironically, the seizing of all things 207 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:39,320 Ukrainian by this supposed coalition of the willing to the 208 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,800 benefit of the, of the defence industry, I would say. 209 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,080 Vanessa, before we move on to your segment here, do you have 210 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:51,760 any thoughts on on that meeting? No, except as I'll try to 211 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:57,560 demonstrate in my segment that I don't think you can divorce 212 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,160 whatever conversations were ongoing even before Trump's 213 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:07,080 inauguration about the Ukraine deal and how Syria in particular 214 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,480 was involved in those conversations and potential 215 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:16,920 concessions made by Russia to allow the toppling of the Syrian 216 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,960 government after 14 years of resistance against a regime 217 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,720 change war. And so I think while we're sort 218 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:28,320 of being tunnelled, visioned towards only looking at Ukraine 219 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,440 in this instance, in my opinion, it also incorporates other deals 220 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,760 that are going on globally between Russia and the US. 221 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,880 OK, well, why don't we move on to the potential other deals and 222 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,760 I mean, what are your thoughts on this whole exercise right 223 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,920 from the from the Alaskan meeting? 224 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,320 Yeah. Well, I mean, what we've 225 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,120 actually seen, of course, and we have to remember timing is 226 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,880 always incredibly important. And the timing has been just as 227 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,400 Israel is ramping up its final solution against the Gaza's 228 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,800 Gazans in, sorry, the Palestinians in Gaza and in the 229 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,840 occupied territories and also increasing pressure on Lebanon 230 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,400 for the resistance to disarm. So all of this is going on at 231 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,400 the same time as the Alaska summit and not if we look at 232 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,800 what's going on in Syria. And this is very much why I 233 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,680 think it's intrinsically connected to discussions over 234 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:29,280 Ukraine and concessions potentially being made by the US 235 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,640 and Russia. And you will remember that 236 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,160 earlier this year on UK column, we mentioned quite a few times 237 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,680 that Tel Aviv or Israel has been lobbying for keeping the Russian 238 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:44,120 military bases in Syria effectively to contain Turkey, 239 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,760 prevent Erdogan's near Ottoman expansionism, but also 240 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:53,480 effectively to keep Iran or Iranian influence out of Syria. 241 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,280 And then leading up to the Alaska summit, it's very 242 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:02,080 interesting because we then had discussions between the Syrian 243 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,880 Al Qaeda regime, of course, put in place by the the Washington 244 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:11,240 Alliance meeting with Russia and then suddenly Russia having 245 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,440 access again to the South in Syria. 246 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,800 In other words, restoring the patrols that it used to do under 247 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:23,320 the Assad government to one, prevent Iran or, or any 248 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,920 organisations affiliated with Iran reaching the border of the 249 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,760 occupied Golan territory. But also I think in this 250 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,800 instance, what's what is effectively happening is Russia 251 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,720 is collaborating with Israel to police the South and to allow 252 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,080 Israel to expand towards the David Corridor going up the 253 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,280 eastern border with Jordan and Iraq in Syria. 254 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,680 At the same time, Russia is expanding since March isn't in 255 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,040 northeast Syria, which of course is currently held by the Kurdish 256 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,680 factions under the control of the United States, but also 257 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,360 supported by Israel, because the David corridor will effectively 258 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,880 link with the Kurdish held territory in the northeast. 259 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,760 Israeli think tanks have also been reporting on this quite 260 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,840 happily without any criticism. So this is from Alma Research 261 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,560 and Education Centre renewed Russian entrenchment 262 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:22,280 northeastern Syria in Karmishli. And so, as I said, since March, 263 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,880 Russia has been building not only its military reinforcements 264 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,560 in Komishly, and this is a map showing exactly where Komishly 265 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,320 is and how it's dead centre in the middle of the area which is 266 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,200 effectively controlled by the Kurds. 267 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,520 Now, this comes at a time that the US is reducing its military 268 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,160 footprint in the North East, which effectively has the 269 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,120 potential to leave the Kurds relatively defenseless. 270 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,760 So that could be that Washington sees Russia as a tool for 271 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,520 tactical stability and to replace their role supporting 272 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:04,080 the Kurds again against Turkey. And also, there has been talk of 273 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,640 Russia supplying weapons to Jolani because Trump has 274 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,880 effectively washed his hands of them and has said that he's not 275 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,560 going to be supplying weapons in the future and that they should 276 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,400 go to Turkey and Russia. So in my opinion, what we're 277 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:23,160 seeing is a kind of rebalancing of Russia's role in Syria and if 278 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,560 you like a strategic move from Russia, which I'll talk about 279 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:33,520 now, to secure the oil and gas hydrocarbon resources that it 280 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,560 had control of under the Assad government. 281 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,960 So of course, what we've seen recently is the so-called peace 282 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,880 talks between Azerbaijan and Armenia, the effective 283 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,040 occupation of the Zhangazur corridor on the border with 284 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,600 northwestern Iran by US corporate interests, which 285 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,760 means, of course, they're military contractors, which 286 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,840 opens the door to Israel on the border with Iran. 287 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,800 And Turkey has effectively put itself at the bridgehead of 288 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:12,200 supplying gas from Baku via Gillis Aleppo pipeline Killis in 289 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,520 southern Turkey with the support of Qatar. 290 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,359 And of course, the war began back in 2009 when when Assad 291 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,079 basically refused or turned down the Qatari Turkish pipeline in 292 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:29,400 favor of the Russian Iranian 1. But if we actually look at this 293 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,400 corridor, so this is going from Baku and Azerbaijan to Kailash. 294 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,480 There, as you can see in southern Turkey now that 295 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,520 pipeline, there is some controversy over whether it is 296 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,880 actually now open or not. But I want you to look at the 297 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,960 green line. So basically it's coming down 298 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,480 from southern Turkey, coming from Azerbaijan to southern 299 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,320 Turkey, through northern Syria, down through Jordan and then to 300 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,160 Israel, which is the primary target, of course, of of the 301 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,560 Baku oil. And it's being supplied through 302 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,360 to Turkey throughout the genocide of the Palestinians in 303 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:03,520 Gaza. But also look at the corridor 304 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,960 that goes into Banyas and Tripoli and Lebanon. 305 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,080 And that's what we've talked about, the importance of 306 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,680 Tripoli, why the Americans are pushing Jolani to effectively 307 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,200 annex northern Lebanon and take control of Tripoli. 308 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,080 Turkey is also competing for influence over Tripoli. 309 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,000 So as I've said before, what we're now seeing in the world 310 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:29,480 today is this new type of multi spectrum conflict taking control 311 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,200 of all economic and resource corridors, trade corridors, 312 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,400 military routes and so on. And again, let's have a look at 313 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,040 the Kirkuk Banyas pipeline. So again, remember this is going 314 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,040 into territory that Russia has been allowed to keep control of. 315 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,960 So going from Kirkuk in Iraq through Syria, central Syria 316 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,920 into Banyas controlled by Russia, preventing Turkey from 317 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,640 extending its control into the the coastal area. 318 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,720 And then finally, I just want to have a quick look at this map 319 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,080 which incorporates all of it, which I think is going to be 320 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,240 clear. So you have on the coast Russian 321 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,680 influence maintained with the approval of Washington in the 322 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,240 South. Now they're going to extend 323 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,640 their patrols and their military bases, which they already had 324 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,080 under the Assad government. And then that triangulates up to 325 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,080 Commishli in the northeast. So what does that do? 326 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,280 That actually traverses the two main corridors that are going to 327 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,720 come in from Azerbaijan, through Syria to Israel and from Kirkuk 328 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,360 to Banyas. And remembering that the 329 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:41,320 Azerbaijan corridor also has, if you like, a mini corridor going 330 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,920 off to Banyas, which is under the control of the Russians. 331 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,000 So I think what you're seeing right now, and particularly with 332 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,720 the the the Alaska summit is the manoeuvring between Russia, 333 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:59,680 Washington and Israel to enable Israeli expansion, but also to 334 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,920 enable, as I said, tactical stability for Washington's 335 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,040 interests in Syria, particularly the resources, but for Russia 336 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,440 potentially to be able to protect its interests in South 337 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,400 Caucasus. By having a foothold in the 338 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,800 Sangazur corridor and in Azerbaijan. 339 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,520 Now of course, this this potentially brings it into 340 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,320 conflict with Iran and the north-south Trade Corridor, 341 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,560 which is part of their strategic partnership. 342 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,400 And that is potentially why Russia is now making overtures 343 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,080 towards Afghanistan to divert the north-south Corridor through 344 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,800 Afghanistan rather than through Azerbaijan. 345 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,560 So we're seeing a very different kind of war right now, a lot of 346 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,880 manoeuvring, a lot of very interesting alliances and 347 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,440 potential disruptions of of existing strategic partnerships. 348 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,720 Absolutely, Vanessa, thanks very much. 349 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,400 And of course, as you say, control being absolutely at the 350 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,560 heart of it. And I hope we'll have more time 351 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,680 to talk about that and extra specifically with regard to 352 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,720 Iran, which of course must be mentioned in a more full 353 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,840 context. I think no, we will have to move 354 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,000 on. But going continuing on in a 355 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,400 way, the theme of sort of control of everything. 356 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,360 We're going to go to Sandy now, who's going to talk about JD 357 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:17,200 Vance and indeed some of the relationships that he has with a 358 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,120 certain set of influential people. 359 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,360 Yes, thanks. Thanks very much, Charles. 360 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,080 Well, I've been looking at JD Vance this week because 361 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,880 obviously he, he took his working summer holiday in the UK 362 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,200 last week and his first stop was, well his second stop was 363 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,560 Schevening was was sorry, the Matt Dean Manor where he, he 364 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,800 hired a house. It wasn't him that organised it, 365 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,800 it was George Osborne. But I'll get on to that. 366 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,920 And so his, his first stop was in, in, in Shevening House in, 367 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,320 in Seven Oaks in Kent where he went fishing with David Lammy. 368 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,000 Apparently they bonded quite well on their deprived 369 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,560 backgrounds and, and Christianity. 370 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,400 Apparently so. The logistics of this trip was 371 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,880 organised by former Chancellor George Osborne. 372 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,280 He, along with David Cameron, apparently lived nearby. 373 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,600 So it's interesting that that Cameron, sorry Osborne, also 374 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:25,280 organised the meeting at Dean House, Dean Manor with shadow 375 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:31,320 ministers Robert Jenrick, Chris Phelp, Laura Trott and Sir Paul 376 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Marshall at a drinks party reception hosted by Vance. 377 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,960 Now George Osborne's involvement in Vance's trip showcases his 378 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,880 skill at transforming old political ties into ongoing 379 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,680 current scenarios. And his role as holiday planner 380 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,160 was really more than a personal favour. 381 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,440 It was an example of how a retired politicians managed to 382 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,840 remain in power brokers basically in shaping connections 383 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,880 and narratives long after leaving office. 384 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:08,000 So the tiny village of Dean Chipping Norton was thrown into 385 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,440 chaos with motorcades and police and security staff taking over. 386 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,480 And of course there was a good deal of anti Trump protesters 387 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,400 there. And I think we've got a slide of 388 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,400 anti Trump protesters there we are. 389 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,200 They they didn't like it at all. And of course, I'm sure some of 390 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,440 them were, were organised, but the, the locals really did 391 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,960 didn't really enjoy the fact that JD Vance took up all the 392 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:42,360 disabled bays in a, in a, in a, at the local shop, the local 393 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,560 farm shop and nobody could get in there where he, he saw he, he 394 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,920 had a meeting with Lord and lady. 395 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,560 I think it was, yeah. Bamford of the JCB fame. 396 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,400 Anyway, so who is JD Vance? Has he been cherry picked for 397 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,520 success? And I I believe he has. 398 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,520 He wrote this book, Hillbilly Ilgy in 2016. 399 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,080 He, it was published, which then became a Hollywood film. 400 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:14,680 And in this book, he, he, he talks about his, his awful, you 401 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,600 know, dysfunctional childhood as a hillbilly in the Appalachian 402 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,720 Mountains in the US and how he ever elevated himself for this, 403 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,360 from this, this, this life by joining the Marines and then 404 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,080 attending Yale Law School and eventually being he was 405 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,160 catapulted really into the political arena at great speed. 406 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,560 And everyone loves the rags to riches story. 407 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,960 Hillbilly boy overcomes adversity and and becomes vice 408 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,160 president of the USA. People love all that, don't 409 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,480 they? So is, is this what he's there 410 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:49,920 for? And I think it is. 411 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,680 So when did he form a a close working relationship with Peter 412 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,840 Thiel? Vance's connection with Peter 413 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,440 Thiel began during his post law school years. 414 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,480 After his Yale Law graduation in 2013, he briefly practised law 415 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,040 and then moved into tech and venture capital. 416 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,760 And from then he joined he, he, he teamed up with obviously 417 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,520 with, with Peter Thiel from Palantir. 418 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,280 And I think we've got a slide of Palantir as we know it's a tech 419 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,720 giant. You know, they, they are really 420 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,040 behind an awful lot of the, the rather transhumanist stuff 421 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,440 that's going on with gene editing and what have you Now, 422 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,000 Vance, first of all, in 2016 and 2017, he worked for Mithril 423 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,560 Capital, which was Peter Thiel's venture firm as some. 424 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,400 And all the while he continued to work on his memoir, Hillbilly 425 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,880 Elegy. And then he, which was always, 426 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,160 always financed really by Teal. Teal was his bankroll basically. 427 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,280 And he had a lasting relationship with him. 428 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:06,280 But he he then was was donated £10,000,000 by Teal to to back 429 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:11,480 his Senate bid in March 2021 and helped shape and fund his 430 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,480 political career. Now Vance had been transformed 431 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:22,160 really from a Trump critic to a Trump supporter. 432 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,360 He once called Trump an American Hitler, and now he's one of his 433 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,880 his most effective defenders and fundraisers. 434 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,360 Teal brought Vance to this, his very first meeting with Trump at 435 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:39,000 Mar a Lago in February 2021, according to the New York Times. 436 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,040 Now, thanks to Teal's financial and strategic support, Vance has 437 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,320 surged really from being an underdog to winning the Ohio 438 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,560 primary in 2022. So, you know, it's it's he's 439 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,280 really had this meteoric, you know, sort of rise to fame. 440 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,640 And so, you know, you've got to ask yourself why he fulfills a 441 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,120 very important role. He's a brand ambassador for 442 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,800 populism, giving ordinary Americans hope that they're 443 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,120 being defended, I think. But the policies and 444 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:14,440 corporations tied to his network, Palantir, Black Rock, 445 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,880 AI driven governance, surveillance capitalism, they 446 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,400 point to to the polar opposite of sovereignty. 447 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,680 So it's really interesting the way that this narrative is 448 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,360 playing out. And it might be a deception 449 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,600 strategy in my view. I mean, Vance functions as 450 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,920 supposed to boy for populism, Catholic, patriotic working 451 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,720 class, while behind the scenes, teals companies and allies build 452 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,800 a very globalist, technocratic system that populists think that 453 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600 they're resisting. So it's, it's it's all very 454 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,800 interesting. His meeting with in the UK with 455 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,400 Farage, Jenrick and others under the control of David Cameron and 456 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,680 George Osborne, who, let's face it, work for Black Rock for one 457 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,360 day a week for £500 per annum. You know, five, Yeah, I mean, 458 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,680 you need 500,000 per annum. So this is a little bit 459 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,680 unsettling really, because there's this whole other other 460 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,840 thing working behind in the background. 461 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,240 And then there's the Catholicism. 462 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,320 I mean, Vance converted to Catholicism in 2019, having been 463 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,840 an atheist to please Teal. And there's Catholicism in 464 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,880 Silicon Valley, which is really, really odd. 465 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,720 I mean, it's it's actually, it apparently was this is from 466 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,080 Vanity Fair, an article in Vanity Fair, which is, is 467 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,480 Christianity was borderline illegal in Silicon Valley and 468 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,160 now it's the new religion. So what what is going on here is 469 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,880 all very odd. And Peter Thiel said he's got a 470 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,680 quote here. One part of the Christian faith 471 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,240 that I believe more strongly than anything is that death is 472 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,600 evil and we should not accept it and fight it all any way we can. 473 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,080 Now that is really a transhumanists for way of 474 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,160 talking about religion and it's his religion. 475 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,880 He's playing God. So what we're looking out really 476 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,880 is a, you know, this dichotomy between the spiritual death and 477 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,640 the, and a physical death. So they're buying into 478 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,200 transhumanism. And the whole thing is, is, is 479 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,200 really playing, playing with our minds, messing with our minds. 480 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,240 Now we have to remember that Pope Francis did launch the 17 481 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,440 sustainable goals in 20-30 with Obama in 20/20/15 at the 482 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,640 Vatican. So there is a whole story 483 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,160 playing out here. So it's just interesting what 484 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,200 what's really going on with with the whole Christian Catholic 485 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,600 narrative. Yeah. 486 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,400 Indeed, Sandy, thank you very much. 487 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,560 Indeed. I think Peter Thiel, they're 488 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000 probably taking some fairly large liberties with the 489 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,800 Christian Scripture as other people might consider it, but 490 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,240 but nonetheless, as you say, a series of murky relationships 491 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,320 and it would be interesting to know about some of the 492 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,680 conversations that Vance did have whilst he was holidaying in 493 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,080 large inverted commas over here. 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That's that's gone out well. 510 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,000 So please do take a look at that on the website this evening. 511 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,440 John will be speaking to Celia Farber, who has been described 512 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,400 as challenging the HIV or AIDS narratives. 513 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,880 That'll be a good lesson this evening. 514 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,400 And then tomorrow, Thursday at 1:00, Brian Gerrish and Gemma 515 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,000 Cooper in conversation specifically about the Sounds 516 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240 Beautiful event we attended a couple of months ago. 517 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,080 And you'll note that that's taking place in our Studio 2, 518 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,360 which of course wouldn't have been possible without the very 519 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,800 memberships and donations that I've just been referring to. 520 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,040 But really a look at the events and the importance of getting 521 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,520 out there and having face to face interactions. 522 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,080 Upon which note, I must remind you that the Hope Freedom Music 523 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,880 Festival is happening over this August bank holiday weekend and 524 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,920 we will be there. So please do make a beeline for 525 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,040 it if you're able. And by using the code Freedom 526 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,760 50, you will get 50% discount off your ticket which takes us 527 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,960 to October and our on location event which we're very pleased 528 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720 to speak about that's taking place on Saturday the 18th of 529 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,760 October in York. And as announced, our first 530 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,400 speaker that we've given details for is Andy Wakefield. 531 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,600 And indeed anyone buying a ticket either in person or on 532 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,440 the live stream will have access to his fantastic film Protocol 533 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,320 7. And this week we've also 534 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,200 announced that Tess Lorry of the World Council for Health will 535 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,600 also be speaking at the event. So we're going to have a great 536 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,400 line up, a proper in person event and indeed a social in the 537 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,520 evening. So please do join us if you can. 538 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,240 And if you can't, as I say, the live stream is there for you. 539 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,840 Now we're going to move on to well, or at least cast our minds 540 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,240 back, in fact, to last year. And a recap of a set of 541 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,160 apparently extraordinary events which did take place a year ago. 542 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,720 Now, on the 19th of August, the yacht belonging to Mike Lynch, 543 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:53,240 the cyber tycoon, capsized and off the coast of Sicily during a 544 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,880 storm. Now almost exactly the same 545 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,360 moment a runner with a head injury died in hospital in 546 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,480 Cambridgeshire. First I shown on screen this was 547 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,640 the death of Stephen Chamberlain and there were no witnesses he 548 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,040 he was on a regular running route. 549 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,360 This was deemed not suspicious and the inquest report says 550 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,480 Stephen Chamberlain was a highly experienced and safety conscious 551 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,800 ultra runner but simply noted down the cause of death as a 552 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720 road traffic collision. Now if you're wondering why any 553 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,520 of this is relevant, we'll see where we get to by the end of 554 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,480 the report and then I think it might make sense to you. 555 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,640 But as stories emerged from the capsize of the Bayesian itself, 556 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,160 it became clear that Mike Lynch, the Co founder of Autonomy and 557 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,040 indeed defendant in a case brought by Hewlett Packard 558 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,280 concerning fraud. In that Hewlett Packard argued 559 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,960 that Lynch and Chamberlain had inflated value of Autonomy their 560 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160 company, in order to sell it to Hewlett Packard. 561 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,240 This timing of course, is of great significance. 562 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,360 Also on board we had Jonathan Bloomer, who was a witness 563 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,480 during the protracted legal proceedings, also dead, and 564 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,480 indeed Chris Morvillo who represented Lynch and 565 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,600 Chamberlain in the ongoing legal battle. 566 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,320 Now in 2022, there was a ruling that the fraud had occurred. 567 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,800 This involved Lynch being extradited to the to the United 568 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,159 States, being exonerated, and then indeed a celebration trip 569 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,719 on the Bayesian, which we've just shown. 570 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,239 Now for more detail on the curious circumstances of the 571 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,560 specific cap size, I would point you towards New Lines magazine, 572 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,600 an excellent article written earlier this year by Floriano 573 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,639 Balfon. Link will be in the show notes. 574 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:44,199 Now the, the, what I would say with regard to the, the name of 575 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,239 the yacht as a, as a curiosity, of course, Bayesian mathematics 576 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,320 being concerning probability in relation, relation to the 577 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,199 balance between previously held data and new evidence. 578 00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:02,320 So sort of bizarre echoes there. With regard to the accident 579 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,040 itself, the Marine Accident Investigation Board have only 580 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,920 managed to get as far as an interim report which was 581 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,560 published in May of this year. Very scant on detail and the 582 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,440 only substantive point really is to say that the findings 583 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,480 indicate that the extreme wind experienced by the Bayesian was 584 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,040 sufficient to knock the yacht over further. 585 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,160 Once the yacht had healed beyond an angle of 70°, the situation 586 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,240 was irrecoverable. Now as a stand alone point that 587 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,720 that might be reasonable but interesting to note that moored 588 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,320 very nearby was the Sir Robert Baden Powell which was had a 589 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,720 hull built in the 1950s only a couple of 100 yards away, owned 590 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,960 and skippered by a man called Caston Borner and it rode out 591 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,280 the storm by engaging its engines and turning into the 592 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,560 wind. Now the was equipped with far 593 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,080 superior instrumentation and indeed mechanical capabilities, 594 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000 but didn't take any such action, which again raises a large 595 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,560 number of questions. One would imagine that will be 596 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,400 covered by the Marine Accident Investigation Board now just a 597 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,200 few weeks ago. Which is what really brings us 598 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,320 to the relevance of all of this is that the High Court issued a 599 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,240 judgement on Hewlett Packard's claim against the estate of Mike 600 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,640 Lynch. Now the initial claim was for £3 601 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,800 billion and Mr. Justice Hildyard, in summing up, 602 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,040 described the death of Lynch as being tragically and almost 603 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,720 unbelievably coincident with that of Chamberlain, but didn't 604 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,840 give any further comment. Now the ruling is that the Lynch 605 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:39,080 estate must pay at least 700 million to Hewlett Packard and 606 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,280 this is as the main Financial Services and Markets Claim Act 607 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,480 with the other sums attached takes it to to over 700 million 608 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,520 which is believed to be a sum that will bankrupt the estate of 609 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,080 Mike Lynch. Now concurrent with all of this 610 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,400 have been the activities of Dark Trace, the cybersecurity 611 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,520 business, which of course was set up by Lynch with the 612 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,520 proceeds of the sale of autonomy via Invoke Capital. 613 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,640 And just shown on screen here is the former Chief executive Poppy 614 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,440 Gustafson with Anne Keith Butler, the current director of 615 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,720 GCHQ, who turned down my invitation to join our On 616 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:18,480 Location event in Cheltenham earlier this year. 617 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480 But nonetheless, very interesting to see the 618 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,680 relationship that Dark Trace does have with the the 619 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,680 intelligence services. So one must ask, is it any 620 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,600 coincidence that Kustafson was ennobled in the autumn and is 621 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,320 now the Minister for Investment from her position in the House 622 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,600 of Lords? Now she still shares, sorry, she 623 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,160 still holds shares in Dark Trace and has been central to a raft 624 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,840 of very significant investments into the United Kingdom, 625 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,560 described of course by the government as being advantageous 626 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,960 to the United Kingdom, which I might say is questionable at 627 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,720 best. Now coincident with the with all 628 00:37:55,720 --> 00:38:00,080 of this was the sale of Dark Trace to Tomo Bravo, which has 629 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,240 one of the largest portfolios of cybersecurity businesses in the 630 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,200 world and it sponsors what's shown on screen, which is called 631 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,800 the Cyber Consortium. And it should be of note that 632 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,080 since Gustafson came into government, Dark Trace has 633 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480 secured its largest ever contract with that same 634 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,760 government at 2.7 million, which might not sound like a huge 635 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,160 amount of money, but given the explosion of entities that are 636 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,960 described as being in need of autonomous cyber protection, 637 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,520 it's fair to speculate that this is likely to represent the thin 638 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,360 end of the wedge. And again, just to illustrate 639 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,480 sort of where this appears to be going, two of the recent 640 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,280 investments that Gustafson is said to have facilitated are the 641 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,760 £1 billion commitment from DP World. 642 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,240 Now Ben was speaking about this very thing on Monday, but but 643 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,240 just to make the point that the Freeport that he was talking 644 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,160 about is in fact owned and managed by DP World, which of 645 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,720 course is based in United Arab Emirates and has been involved 646 00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,920 in the very controversial port of Berbara in the Horn of 647 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,600 Africa. Concerning the sovereignty of 648 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,680 Somaliland and indeed relations with Ethiopia. 649 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,560 So wheels within wheels, one might say, and certainly nothing 650 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,240 free about this Freeport, but also £5 billion investment from 651 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,920 Oracle, again orchestrated it would seem by Baroness Gustafson 652 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,160 formerly or perhaps presently of Dark Trace. 653 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,480 And I would just conclude by mentioning that the BBC this 654 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,040 morning talking about 94 new data centres. 655 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:35,320 And the idea here is that whilst concerns are recognised that 656 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,480 they're going to use all the water and all the energy that we 657 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,760 can possibly produce. Don't worry because they're 658 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,200 going to recycle some of the heat and warm up all those 659 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,920 swimming pools that haven't quite yet been built or indeed 660 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,880 may not have any water to put in them. 661 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,240 So all of these things, one might say, do point back to some 662 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,920 very strange circumstances at this time last year. 663 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,720 But the direction of travel, I would say seems fairly obvious 664 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:01,560 or becoming more and more obvious. 665 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,880 Yeah. Now that takes us into very much 666 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,200 related issue, which is online safety. 667 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,080 Yes, well, the Children's Commissioner, Dame Rachel 668 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:14,080 D'souza was on BBC News Night on Wednesday evening demanding that 669 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,480 Ofcom age verification, or the Ofcom age verification regime is 670 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,320 expanded to include providers of virtual private networks. 671 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,000 Because since the age verification regime came into 672 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,320 force, the number of downloads of VPN software is off the 673 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,760 charts. Let's just have a quick listen 674 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,080 to what she had to say. If you of course, we need age 675 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,880 verification on VPNs. It's absolutely a loophole that 676 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,480 needs closing, and that's one of my major recommendations. 677 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,360 And do you think the government's got the tone of 678 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,840 this wrong because there are some people who don't agree with 679 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,400 the Online Safety Bill on grounds of free speech and 680 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,960 giving my data to the government? 681 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,160 Do you think it's a mistake to call people who oppose the bill 682 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,400 akin to Jimmy Savile? Do you think that shouldn't they 683 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,320 shouldn't have said that? Look, I think there is not, 684 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,120 there is not one person in this country, not one adult who if I 685 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,840 said to them should we keep children safe online, wouldn't 686 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,240 would say of course we should keep children, but of course. 687 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,240 Children don't, don't don't bring up this S word. 688 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,040 Well, I mean, I think, look, I think, I think tone is 689 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,920 everything we need to talk to at the adults of this country. 690 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,360 Like they as they, that they as they are adults and all of us 691 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,640 should be in agreement that we keep children safe. 692 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,080 The Online Safety Act is a big beast and there might be it's a 693 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,160 bit that people don't like, but keeping children safe has got to 694 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,000 be the search of it. So Rachel D'souza, representing 695 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,200 children and claiming concern for child safety, joins the 696 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,040 hordes of other government shills who claim that the 697 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,200 biggest threat to the well-being of children is the possibility 698 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,560 that they access pornography. Ignoring the massive elephant in 699 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,160 the room which is adults grooming children by posing as 700 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,440 children on child oriented websites. 701 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,960 As I highlighted a week ago when I reported that the US based 702 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,960 National Centre. Of course. 703 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:05,080 Sorry US based National Centre for Missing and Exploded 704 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,400 Children published their their latest Getting this mixed up 705 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,520 today. I do apologise. 706 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,600 Their latest cyber tip line report showing that last year 707 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,080 they received 546,000 reports from tech firms of adults across 708 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,200 the world soliciting children and that they said was 192% 709 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,240 increase from 2023. Now around 99,600 of these 710 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,080 reports came from the UK in the first six months of 2024 with 711 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,480 Snapchat reporting far more concerning material than any 712 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,200 other platform in that period. So look, this is the tip of the 713 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,880 iceberg since this these are only incidents, as we mentioned 714 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,360 last week, reported by the platforms themselves. 715 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,240 But you got a quick sight of what the BBC was saying here. 716 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,160 So the BBC of course, wanting to maintain that the focus is on 717 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,800 pornography. So, you know, VPNs, most 718 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,880 downloaded apps in Apple's App Store in the UK after sites such 719 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,200 as Pornhub, Pornhub requiring age verification. 720 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,480 You know, we we got to keep this massively in the forefront of 721 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,440 everybody's minds that anybody that criticizes is tantamount to 722 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,760 Jimmy Savile. And the other thing to say here 723 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,440 is of course, that, you know, that the fact is that people are 724 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,920 not objecting to this on the basis of children not getting 725 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,280 access to pornography. They're objecting to it because 726 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,760 of the massive totalitarian overreach by the Starmer regime. 727 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,040 But we have to keep in mind, of course, that this was Tory 728 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,840 legislation in the 1st place, although it was supported by 729 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,000 Starmer's Labour Party all the way through. 730 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,160 This is a unit party issue. And then just very briefly, just 731 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,960 to make the point that the petitions now around 527,000, 732 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,760 this issue is something that I think people need to get 733 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,520 organised around and see this up to 2 million at the least. 734 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,360 I think that's what we need to be aiming for, Charles. 735 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,320 I would absolutely agree, yes, indeed. 736 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,240 And I think we well we would hope that you as members of the 737 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,920 audience and concerned about the future of not just UK column, 738 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,080 but of course any organization putting content out, it has its 739 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,360 future preserved. So. 740 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,080 So please do spread the word on that. 741 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,920 No, very much The other side of the same coin is the issue of 742 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,520 cybersecurity and indeed how that gets explained in a 743 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,160 narrative context. And we've got the National 744 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,720 Cybersecurity Centre subset of GCHQ being pushed out of the 745 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,440 shadows in order to remind us how dangerous the cyber sphere 746 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:35,800 really is. And as I say, this is this is 747 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,160 sort of wrapped up with online safety, but a but a sort of a 748 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,200 branch off it. But we're constantly being 749 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,080 reminded both on an individual and corporate basis, what it is 750 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,640 we need to do about it. Now this is reinforced by a 751 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,240 recent announcement announcement, first of all, hear 752 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,080 from America's cyber defence industry. 753 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,560 This was just a couple of weeks ago, end of July about what's 754 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,640 been called Scattered Spider. Now the Joint Cybersecurity 755 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,080 advisory has indeed taken this on. 756 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,680 So you can see, well at least if you can't see this represented 757 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,720 by various cybersecurity organisations across the 758 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,400 Commonwealth, across the world, who are effectively joining up 759 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,640 the same narrative in which they're suggesting that they've 760 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,640 identified, or at least this scattered spider organization, 761 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,520 have identified new techniques, tactics and procedures 762 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,560 associated with this cybercriminal group. 763 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,720 And in addition, they're using more sophisticated social 764 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,880 engineering techniques. And the advisory describes 765 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,720 there's malware and ransomware variants which are being used to 766 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,640 great effect. Now essentially this is the sort 767 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,800 of thing that befell Marks and Spencer earlier in the year. 768 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,720 And and indeed, we're constantly told that we need to to find a 769 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,600 solution for it. So of course, these sorts of 770 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,160 announcements and PR exercises look very much more like 771 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,720 marketing exercises for the AI and cybersecurity industries 772 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,840 rather than anything else. Now, I've spoken about Dark 773 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,280 Trace just a few minutes ago. Dark Trace, which of course 774 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,640 purports to learn you through surveilling every single part of 775 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,120 your digital signature in order to predict what's happening or 776 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,440 what's going to happen next, which relates back to the sort 777 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,160 of Bayesian strand of mathematics. 778 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,360 But interestingly, Dark Trace have themselves commented on 779 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,320 this scattered spider effect, difficult as it has been to 780 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,160 describe, because nobody seems to be quite sure who they are 781 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,160 except that they might be British, they might be American, 782 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,760 and they're probably very young. But Dark Trace had said in their 783 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,200 failings to deal with this, which of course is supposed to 784 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,880 be autonomous and shouldn't be need, shouldn't need to be told 785 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,960 what to do. But it was. 786 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,640 It was not in autonomous response mode at the time, 787 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,640 unfortunately, So the attack was able to proceed without 788 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,440 interruption, they say. And indeed they went on to 789 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,760 suggest that with Dark Trace's self learning AI, anomaly based 790 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,840 detection and autonomous response inhibitors, businesses 791 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,720 can halt malicious activities in real time. 792 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,680 Now I think you get the picture. But the what this points 793 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,880 towards, and this of course is only speculation, but since it's 794 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,560 widely known, of course, that cybersecurity, the cybersecurity 795 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,800 industry does indeed pay people to test platforms and indeed 796 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,520 hack in what's described as sort of benevolent sense, 1 can only 797 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,840 wonder whether these sorts of interferences from organisations 798 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,600 like Scattered Spider are indeed in some way connected to the 799 00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,240 industry itself, which seems to benefit enormously from the 800 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:38,680 outcomes. Now we're going to go back to 801 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,160 Vanessa, who of course been speaking a little bit about 802 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,120 Lebanon in the last report. But Vanessa, a further update 803 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,720 specifically on the situation in Lebanon from you. 804 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,160 Yeah, obviously just an update on what's going on. 805 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,040 The the agenda is to effectively weaken Lebanon generally, not 806 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,600 only to disarm the resistance, but also to cause division and 807 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,760 fractures within the Lebanese army itself, reduce it down to 808 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,000 nothing more than a national security or police force rather 809 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,160 than a force that can actually defend Lebanon against Israeli 810 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,160 expansionism, of course. And so one of the first tactics 811 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,360 that they used, and I think this is very interesting, this is the 812 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,520 crossover between what is happening in the West and what's 813 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,160 happening in the West Asia region generally, is that, first 814 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,080 of all, Lebanese banks, most of which are franchises of European 815 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,120 and foreign banks, have been banned from dealing with 816 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,480 Hezbollah's financial networks. Now we've talked before about 817 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,920 the independence of the Hezbollah banking systems that 818 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,200 are available to all Lebanese, not only to members of the 819 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,280 resistance communities and that are based upon interest free 820 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,120 loans basically. And then of course there's been 821 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,920 taught very recently the Trump administration has been talking 822 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,480 particularly Mark Marco Rubio about ending the UN peacekeeping 823 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,120 in Lebanon, Europe pushing back. I think this is more to do with 824 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,240 Trump basically trying to foist the funding of UNIFL in Lebanon 825 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:19,520 onto particularly France and Italy, and to disentangle the US 826 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,280 from having to shell out any funding for them. 827 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,480 Because in fact, when Tom Barrack, the Trump envoy to the 828 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,440 region and his very close business associate was in 829 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,200 Lebanon, he's part, he's pushing for Chapter 7 to be imposed on 830 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,680 southern Lebanon using UNIFL effectively, if we have a look 831 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,160 at what it actually says in the article, using UNIFL as an 832 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,360 occupational force on behalf of Israel. 833 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,200 So the renewal decision for UNIFIL will carry an escalatory 834 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:58,080 and highly trudged tone. Basically under Chapter 7 of the 835 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,160 UN Charter, which allows it to disarm by force the resistance 836 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,040 by conducting raids, arresting citizens and setting up 837 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,680 checkpoints. Of course, until now, UNIFIL has 838 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,560 only been able to operate in collaboration with the Lebanese 839 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,600 Army. And So what they're effectively 840 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,120 saying is they will restore the funding to UNIFL for one year 841 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,720 and they will increase UNIFL rights to intervene on behalf of 842 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,960 the state, in other words, on behalf of Israel and Washington 843 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,320 in southern Lebanon. And then almost immediately 844 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:36,800 after the meeting of the two envoys, including Morgan or 845 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,000 Morgano Ortagus, who came with Tom Barrack, he went immediately 846 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,000 to Tel Aviv, allegedly to put Israel under pressure to 847 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,960 withdraw from the five points that it's still occupying in the 848 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,960 South. But of course, even during these 849 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,880 meetings, Israel continued to bomb southern Lebanon and to 850 00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,840 assassinate what they claim are resistance members, but in fact, 851 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,480 in many cases are nothing more than the civilians and citizens 852 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,320 living in the South or trying to repair or reconstruct property 853 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,600 that was destroyed by the last war that ended in November 2024. 854 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,280 Saudi Arabia, of course, is coming in on behalf of Israel 855 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,920 and Washington, Washington to put its own pressure on the 856 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,640 resistance faction, saying that basically there will be no 857 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,320 investment in Lebanon from the Gulf states without Hezbollah's 858 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,200 disarmament. So they're withholding 859 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,400 investment, withholding reconstruction funds. 860 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:36,560 And at the same time, of course, what we've seen and what we've 861 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,760 been talking about is a build up on the eastern border and the 862 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,600 northern borders from Jolani's al Qaeda takfiri elements, 863 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,360 particularly the Chechen, Uyghur and other foreign groups on the 864 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,920 northeastern borders in the vicinity of Hemel city. 865 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,320 And there have been sporadic incursions into Lebanese 866 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,400 territory for some time now, since about March of this year. 867 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,880 But what we've seen in the last few days is a definite build up 868 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:11,520 of heavy artillery, tanks and machinery to the area in Syria 869 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,360 that is close to the border with Hermel. 870 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,800 So what they're obviously angling for is to put pressure 871 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,160 on the Lebanese government, with the threat of a Tekfiri invasion 872 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,760 and an increase in Israeli incursions into southern 873 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,960 Lebanon, to enforce the disarmament of the resistance. 874 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,640 Melissa, thank you very much indeed. 875 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,520 Any comment on on that? Now wait for wait for extra, 876 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,160 right. OK, no, just when you think 877 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,560 you've heard it all, a report comes out of Australia 878 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,040 suggesting that it might be possible to make money out of 879 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,480 having an abortion. Sandy, what have you got for us 880 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,840 on on this? Yeah, I mean, it's it's quite 881 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,720 concerning really. Revelations have surfaced that 882 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:58,240 the Australian Government is paying a baby bonus of more than 883 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:03,320 $4200 to women who choose late term abortion to end the life of 884 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,200 their healthy unborn child. This was first reported by 885 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,720 pro-life Act advocate Joanna Howe and later covered by the 886 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:16,480 Daily Declaration. Who's Who found that these 887 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,880 disturbing welfare payments were thanks to a loophole in the 888 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:26,000 government's Centrelink's definition of a stillborn baby. 889 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,480 Now, stillborn babies don't have rights because they have never 890 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,800 taken a breath. And if a baby has never taken a 891 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,840 breath, it's not deemed human. So this is this is the way 892 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,960 they're doing it. Even worse, the payments of over 893 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,120 20,000 lbs are available to mothers who opt instead for 894 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,240 parental leave pay on the premise that their aborted baby 895 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,560 was stillborn. Now this is very good. 896 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,480 You know, this is a good thing. If a woman has genuinely had a, 897 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,080 a still birth, you know, and, and needs parental leave for up 898 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,480 to a year or maybe 18 months afterwards because of her 899 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,840 trauma. But this is this is different. 900 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,680 This is they're, they're incentivising women to actually 901 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,800 have an injection to kill their babies first before the 902 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,400 stillbirth. So, I mean, with the exception 903 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,840 of a single article in the Advertiser last year, the 904 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,120 mainstream press is refusing to touch this story. 905 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,040 In Australia, a curious silence given the overwhelming public 906 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,600 interest in the scandal. And next Threat has almost 907 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,720 reached 1 million views. And the lone article was 908 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:33,240 authored by a courageous journalist, a lady called 909 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,360 Catherine Bingham. Birmingham. 910 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,280 Sorry. Unsurprisingly, you know, 911 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,000 there's detractors who've rushed to dismiss the revelations as 912 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,280 fake news. However, Doctor Howe's evidence 913 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,360 is compelling. There are four reasons to 914 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,320 believe her claims. And, you know, are, are real. 915 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,560 And it's all about the, the, you know, Centrelink's definition of 916 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,040 still birth, you know, to be eligible for our payments. 917 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,040 It says, you know, oh, sorry. I think it's the next slide. 918 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,760 You you know so to be eligible for our payments a still birth 919 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,320 needs to meet our definition. A stillborn baby is 1 who's not 920 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,720 breathed since delivery and has had no heartbeat after birth. 921 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,760 To be considered stillborn a baby a baby also has to have a 922 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,280 gestation period of at least 20 weeks. 923 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,240 So this is encouraging late term abortions and weighs at least 924 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:33,640 400 grams at their birth. So you know, this is this, they 925 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,120 all of this meets their criteria basically for, for these 926 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,880 payments. And Doctor Howe's key 927 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,720 concentration is that Services Australia has to carve out to 928 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,320 say that the still birth has to be natural as opposed to 929 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,080 intentional. And all that's required is a 930 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,960 letter from the hospital confirming that the baby was 931 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,000 delivered stillborn. So there's no, there's no 932 00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:01,000 scrutiny here at all, even from the hospital and the the doctors 933 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:08,840 and midwives at the hospital. The medical eligibility 934 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,760 component of still birth is determined, declared and 935 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,720 declared by a medical professional. 936 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,600 The spokesman said that Services Australia does not receive any 937 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,320 detail on the nature of this determination. 938 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,280 So there's, there's definitely something going on here. 939 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,240 Um, and in 2013, a Catholic pro-life advocate, Bernard 940 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:35,480 Gaynor, published a disturbing medical, um, form, um, by family 941 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,440 that was hurt by abortion and, and, and, and that's been 942 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,120 withdrawn. And I'll flag that up later, but 943 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,320 certainly, you know, it's got, they've got forms here. 944 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,400 If we can flag this one up of have you registered, you know, 945 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,360 you, it's free to register a child's birth. 946 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,240 You know, you cannot be paid parental leave pay and be paid 947 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,960 by newborn supplement with your family benefit. 948 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,040 So it's, it's, it's all the paperwork. 949 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,680 So you just have to fill in a form. 950 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,880 It's all very, very blase to be honest. 951 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:13,360 And yeah, there was this, this form which a medical form which 952 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,440 this pro-life advocate Bernard Gainer flagged up and it was 953 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,880 issued by the South Australian Department of Health. 954 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,760 And it was a yellow A4 document provided detailed instructions 955 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,000 for post abortive women on how to apply for the stillborn baby 956 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,000 payment, then known as the bereavement payment or paid 957 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,240 parental leave by registering their their abortion as, as a a 958 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,000 still birth. Now that form was withdrawn 12 959 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,360 years ago and instead it appears now to have gone underground. 960 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,840 So it's, it's all very, very concerning The, the, the, the, 961 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,080 the, the, the doctor. Howe said that she was contacted 962 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,160 by midwives who are traumatized and shocked by the rise in late 963 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,440 term abortions of healthy babies. 964 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,600 She revealed staff are being effectively forced to sign off 965 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,120 Centrelink's forms so women can claim payments, a process 966 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,440 leading to a double level of trauma. 967 00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:14,880 And 111 midwife was was really traumatised because the mother 968 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,480 stated she would use her aborted baby bonus to fund a holiday to 969 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,360 Bali. I mean, this is absolutely 970 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,840 unbelievable. So a late term abortion in 971 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,360 Australia is most often performed by injecting the 972 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,680 baby's heart with potassium chloride or digoxin, followed by 973 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,400 the induction of labour and the delivery of the dead infant. 974 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:41,680 Now the, the other thing is that the, the, the, there's no 975 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,240 provision for a funeral. If you want 1, you can have one, 976 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,360 but if you, if you're willingly taking your baby's life, you're 977 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,280 not going to want that. So I think the, the, the 978 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,720 midwives are of a trauma fight, traumatized further by the fact 979 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,440 that the baby then goes into waste, which is not, is not 980 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,880 good. And we know that there's there 981 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,440 is an issue there with harvesting. 982 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,960 So I'm going to, I'm going to show you an animation video, 983 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,880 which you may find distressing. Please turn it off if you don't 984 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,720 want to watch it. It's a it's an animation and it 985 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,200 shows you exactly how this is playing out. 986 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,200 Thank you. So you might be wondering how is 987 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,480 the stillborn parenting payment available for a late term 988 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,360 abortion Here? I need to do just a quick recap 989 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,480 of the method for a late term abortion and I'll pull up the 990 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,960 policy from a NSW hospital. And it's the same process 991 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,520 everywhere. So what occurs is the mother 992 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,240 goes into the hospital, she goes under general anesthetic, but a 993 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,240 abortionist will inject the baby's heart in utero with 994 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,720 poison. So it's either digoxin or 995 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,360 potassium chloride. The baby then goes into cardiac 996 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,920 arrest and dies in utero. So they die in the mother's 997 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,160 womb. Now they have to get that baby 998 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,280 out some way, and the way they do it is they induce labour in 999 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,680 the mother. So she takes pills that lie to 1000 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,320 her body and make her think that she's going into labour early. 1001 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,600 She then delivers that baby vaginally, but she's not 1002 01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,760 delivering a live baby, she's delivering A stillborn child. 1003 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,440 So it's a forced birth of a stillborn baby. 1004 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,000 Now, because that baby is stillborn, this is what then 1005 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,760 makes her eligible. I mean, it's, it's, it's 1006 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,960 shocking really. I mean, we've got genocide by 1007 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,200 war and genocide everywhere. And you know, we've just relaxed 1008 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,280 the, the, the laws in the UK for full term abortions and let's 1009 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,480 hope we don't go down the same route as South Australia. 1010 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,040 Shocking. It absolutely is, Sandy, but 1011 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,520 nonetheless, thank you very much for looking into that. 1012 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,880 Now, on the subject of controversial medical 1013 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,240 procedures, Vanessa, you have unearthed something in Lebanon. 1014 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,600 Yeah. I mean, I was basically having a 1015 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,880 conversation with someone the other night who did take, I 1016 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,120 think at least the first vaccine and then didn't take the 1017 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,360 booster. But they were laughingly telling 1018 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,600 me that there are some advantages to the corruption 1019 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:13,160 that exists in Lebanon because in reality, the Pfizer vaccine, 1020 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,200 and this is translated from an article in Arabic that they sent 1021 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,680 me to prove that what they were saying is true. 1022 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,360 The Pfizer vaccine in particular was replaced by Lebanese 1023 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,880 hospitals and doctors with a mixture, with a saline mixture, 1024 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,160 basically. So the people that thought they 1025 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,000 were getting the Pfizer vaccine in Lebanon didn't actually get 1026 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,720 the vaccine and therefore haven't suffered any of the 1027 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,320 adverse effects that people are in other countries that did take 1028 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,440 the real Pfizer vaccine suffered from. 1029 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,800 So, you know, there are some advantages to living here, I 1030 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,920 guess. Indeed, a good news story, but 1031 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,240 not for Pfizer. Thank you very much, Vanessa. 1032 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:57,440 Now on a related theme, Indeed Bio security, I spoke last week 1033 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,360 about Blue Tongue and the continued push for vaccination, 1034 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,400 particularly with regard to sales along the English Welsh 1035 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,000 border and access to markets means that there is a huge push 1036 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,960 for vaccination. Although reports suggest that 1037 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,600 only 1% of sheep and 5% of cattle in whales have actually 1038 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,760 been vaccinated. So there seems to be some 1039 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,960 resistance for a number of reasons. 1040 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,320 But of course, alongside this is really the inference that there 1041 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,920 will be a regime of complete testing, tracking, injecting and 1042 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,480 surveillance under this heading of bio Security and indeed the 1043 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,160 inference that this is all part of a convenient and safe 1044 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,960 approach. Now bird flu again, never far 1045 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,600 from the headlines and indeed the vigilance and bio security 1046 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,160 we are reminded of regularly, this time by APHA today. 1047 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,640 And this is set to continue of course. 1048 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,640 But this is set alongside an announcement from the government 1049 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,400 on Monday about the deal between the UK and the EU on sanitary 1050 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:02,640 and phytosanitary dealings. Essentially to establish a UKEU 1051 01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,960 zone, which will cut costs and red tape for businesses that 1052 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,880 export and import from the EU, reducing delays at the border 1053 01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,720 and making food trade with the Uks biggest market cheaper and 1054 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,800 easier. So this is really to do away 1055 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,800 with border checks. Now, the significant point to 1056 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,520 draw out of here, given the incredible focus on bio 1057 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:28,960 security, is to say that that these checks on border crossings 1058 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,320 will not be required as their implementation is, quote, 1059 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,080 disproportionate. So as with all these things, bio 1060 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,760 security matters until it's considered disproportionate or 1061 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,520 there's another factor which Trump's it. 1062 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:48,400 Yeah, So how about that? Now we have a different note 1063 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,720 upon which to finish. We've spoken a lot about the way 1064 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,600 in which Palestine action has been treated over the last few 1065 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,880 months, of course, resulting in their recent prescription. 1066 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,800 But we will now take a look at how plaster scene action has 1067 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,040 been dealt with. Now this video will be running 1068 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,400 in the background. It has no sound to it, but 1069 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,760 actually no sound is necessary because what this shows, and I, 1070 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,040 I will invite Mike to comment in a second, is the way in which 1071 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,080 the terrorism law is first of all, absolutely wide open in 1072 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,880 order that it can capture anybody. 1073 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,560 So here the article being dealt with is Section 13 of Terrorism 1074 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,280 Act 2000, which says a person in a public place commits an 1075 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,760 offence if he wears an item of clothing or carries an article 1076 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,880 in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse 1077 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,000 reasonable suspicion that he is a member or a supporter of a 1078 01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,760 prescribed organization. Now this chap is clearly wearing 1079 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:56,080 a plasticine action T-shirt which concerns AI generated 1080 01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:01,080 images, so there's absolutely no overt reference to anything 1081 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,320 other than pastor seen action. And I think the important point 1082 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,680 to draw out of this is first of all that members of the public 1083 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,680 will not be carried into some ambition into not taking actions 1084 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,600 like these. I think we can all guess in a 1085 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,880 way what what 1 is perhaps supposed to consider, but also 1086 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,920 that the authorities that are supposed to deal with this have 1087 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,120 absolutely no idea what to do when confronted with it. 1088 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,080 And this absolutely nullifies in a way the the role of the police 1089 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,400 in this kind of circumstance because they can't even decide. 1090 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,600 And this is exactly where the independence of a constable 1091 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,320 should come into play. But but doesn't like. 1092 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:36,320 Right. Indeed. 1093 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,920 You know, they're supposed to make up their own minds about 1094 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,440 these things, and they're increasingly unable to do that 1095 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,920 without getting a yes or a no from the authorities. 1096 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,120 They are and, and I think ridiculous as it seems, and of 1097 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,080 course it does drive to the heart of a very, very serious 1098 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,360 point. I should, I think we should take 1099 01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,400 this as a positive in that the the system is in effect being 1100 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,640 thwarted and indeed there is considerable pushback concerning 1101 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,200 Palestine action, of course. And just to finish, Patrick will 1102 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,880 have some pretty spectacular news on this on Friday's 1103 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,000 programme as well, so keep an eye out for that. 1104 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,280 Excellent. Yes, Now that brings us to the 1105 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,160 close of the programme. So Mike, thank you very much for 1106 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,440 joining me in the studio. Thanks to Vanessa and Sandy, 1107 01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,240 Thank you for tuning in, of course. 1108 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,760 And don't forget we've got Germ going out this evening speaking 1109 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,840 to Celia Farber and the discussion between Brian and 1110 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,720 Gemma going out at 1:00 tomorrow. 1111 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,280 If you are a member, please stay on the line and join us for 1112 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,000 extra. And if you're not, please 1113 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,920 consider it. Otherwise, we will look forward 1114 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,200 to seeing you at 1:00 on Friday. Bye, bye, bye bye.