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Good afternoon. 
It's Wednesday the 12th of 

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November, just after 1:00. 
Welcome to UK column News. 

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I'm your host, Mike Robinson. 
Mike, host TODAY in the studios,

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Patrick Henningson. 
Welcome to the program, Patrick.

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Great to be with you, Mike. 
And joining us via Live Link, we

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have Vanessa Bailey and Liz 
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Now today we're going to be 
following up on the BBC 

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implosion. 
In a couple of minutes, Vanessa 

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is going to be reporting on 
Jelani's visit to the White 

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House. 
Liz Evans is going to be 

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covering the latest on organ 
donations. 

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But we're going to begin with 
prisons because of course, as we

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all know, the Deputy Prime 
Minister David Lammy was in the 

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House of Commons yesterday to up
update Parliament on the sorry, 

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the accidental, it is accidental
release of prisoners which had 

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been grabbing the headlines over
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So here's what he had to say. 
The first duty of government is 

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to keep the public safe. 
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really it isn't. 
This is the UNI party regime's 

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excuse for lockdowns and 
technocracy, and it's derived 

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from British imperialist 
thinkers like Thomas Hobbes and 

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John Locke actually. 
So it's a mantra though, that 

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we've been having shoved down 
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In particular, he went on to say
we're putting in new guardrails 

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around an archaic system with 
tougher new checks, reviewing 

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specific failings of modernizing
prison processes and joint 

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working with courts, all to bear
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mistakes. 
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the bottom of it because what 
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£10,000,000 investment that will
see the roll out of new AI 

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powered tools, the frontline 
prison staff so that they can 

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quotes, accurately calculate 
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the archaic paper based systems.
This is all being accelerated of

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course. 
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under already under pressure, 
prison staff are having to wade 

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through more than 500 pages of 
guidance making mistakes more 

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likely. 
The multi £1,000,000 pledge will

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be invested over the next six 
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crack. 
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last week to look at how cutting
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bring down errors. 
So they're going to set up a new

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Justice Performance Board there,
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give David Lammy greater 
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drive improvements in prisons 
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And they say that the measures 
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focus on data with new teams of 
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deployed to review all historic 
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what was wrong in every case. 
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extra 14,000 prison places being
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sentences will be overhauled to 
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we have enough prison places to 
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keep the public safe. 
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already delivered 2 1/2 thousand
new places and that the last 

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government added only 500 
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party political bit in as well. 
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added 500 places to the prison 
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well that's OK, but the question
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prison officer staff going to 
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service had been recruiting from
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vacancies. 
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was reading there a second ago 
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report for example because this 
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prison officers at the HMP 
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are foreign nationals. 
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taking place between the Justice
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because HM Prison Probation 
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sponsor new skilled worker visas
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That's since July the 22nd this 
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So the question is, do we have 
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But whether that's the case or 
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need digital systems and AI 
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prisoners. 
And we have a prisoner office, a

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prison officer recruitment 
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And as we know immigration, 
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require digital ID. 
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what the agenda is here and 
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argue is being engineered. 
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veterans and then military 
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seems. 
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the prison system in the last 
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arrests were were pensioners, a 
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survivors and people basically 
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action quote UN quote, be 
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I put the quote UN quote in 
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So that's the growth area for 
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Maybe this is what they're 
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protesters, process them more 
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Yeah, it could be, could be. 
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goes. 
But I'm calling nonsense on that

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particular one. 
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which is being generated to 
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But let's let's see where that 
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And as luck would have it, it 
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accidentally released. 
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OK, let's move on then to the 
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everybody knows by now by now, 
was on an all staff call with 

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BBC staff for an hour yesterday.
Here's what he had to say on the

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way into Broadcasting House 
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Want to say a couple of things. 
I'm here to lead and support the

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BBC. 
I'm very, very proud of our 

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journalists in this building. 
They're doing work. 

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I think it's incredibly 
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I want to thank everyone of 
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They're doing a wonderful job. 
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doing their thing for the big 
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to lead and support them. 
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and I support everyone of the 
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I'm very proud of them. 
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Trump 's? 
He's very proud of them. 

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But look, look, the content of 
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His presentation to staff was 
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rhetoric, as he's just expressed
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But this clearly didn't go down 
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accounts they were also pretty 
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contrary to previous 
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to ask questions during the call
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All the questions that were 
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Sky News has reported, for 
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to public comments section on 
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their questions noticed. 
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would be an exercise in getting 
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clearly failed spectacularly. 
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the culture secretary, was in 
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shore up support for this great 
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expressing it, as there are 
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sorry. 
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difference, she said, between 
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ethical failings and members of 
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attack on the institution 
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Because the BBC is not just a 
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institution that belongs to us 
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Do we agree with that? 
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unpack there, Mike. 
I think, I think we can move, 

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move on. 
Just take a look at this 

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situation. 
I mean, let's look at how this 

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scandal. 
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So he is out as well as the head
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They're both have resigned. 
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got to fight for a journalism. 
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the rallying cry there. 
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usually to take the edge off 
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happening that's actually 
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the country here. 
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pressure relief, these 
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Here's 2 director generals will 
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First of all, 2012, the short 
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Entwistle resigns after ABBC 
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senior British politician in a 
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scandal. 
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that senior politician might 
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result was he stepped down. 2004
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resigned after pressure over the
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And so the source to the BBC 
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dossier was sexed up. 
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This was Tony Blair's dossier 
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Iraq war on a fake WMD case. 
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whistle resignation really took 
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Mike, which was the Jimmy Savile
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in 2012. 
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King Charles there Saville being
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And this the the dyke 
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this, which was Tony Blair's 
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a war criminal in lying the 
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that the David Kelly controversy
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It wasn't a cover up. 
It's just a cock up in this is 

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usually what the, the the media 
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Mike, there's a bigger scandal 
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And one of those is the coverage
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We'll get to that in a minute 
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But just to tee off this one, 
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Donald Trump is threatening a $1
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But look at the subtext on this 
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BBC board member with Tory links
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systemic bias claims says 
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You can see how the establishers
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So it but it's not it's really 
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on Friday. 
It's big money and big money 

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coming in on the right and from 
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States or the big corporate 
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British media here. 
At the same time, the, the, the,

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the license fee is under the, 
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to re evaluate the, the, the BB 
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Could we be seeing the breakup 
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privatization of the BBC as a 
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It's quite possible. 
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whether Trump will actually move
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So let's just have a sorry to do
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Just a brief listen to what he 
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something that he needed to do. 
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general. 
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our great allies. 
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our great ally BBC have the 
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one, I guess. 
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our viewers that you will go 
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lawsuit against the BBC. 
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obligation to do it because you 
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allow people to do that. 
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So it's, it's about the January 
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J6 and it was, the aggregations 
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of doctored that speech in order
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inciting the Capitol riot. 
So of course he probably has a, 

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an actual case there. 
The the question is, is this 

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excessive and hugely 
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And are we looking at a power 
play ultimately by major private

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equity firms and so forth? 
We'll talk more about this. 

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We will. 
We'll break it down on, on, on. 

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Friday, yes. 
So I look forward to that 

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conversation, but this is the 
other one that's just coming at 

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the exact same time. 
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quintessences in politics and I 
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that does. 
But we'll bring this up on 

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screen right now. 
The BBC editor is suing Owen 

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Jones, a journalist over Israel 
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The columnist for the Guardian. 
Owen Jones is vigorously 

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defending his reporting after 
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editor. 
His name is Raffy Berg files a 

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High Court libel claim. 
This is a major lawsuit. 

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we'll read the the basis of this
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news agency. 
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Raffy Berg. 
He is the BBC Middle East editor

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or claiming that Owen Jones's 
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News, we'll show you in a 
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a professional reputation as a 
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caused Mr. Berg to suffer an 
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by this BBC Middle East editor, 
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been seriously damaged and he's 
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anxiety, humiliation, upset and 
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apologizing or removing the 
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It's not to Owen Jones that is 
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mistaken, and that is Drop Site 
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OK, so they're saying now as an 
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organization, if you get any 
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anxiety and sort of fear. 
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especially a Middle East? 
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think of Alex Belfield, for 
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of a precedent that's been set 
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because allegations to criticism
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public, it seems to me that they
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public criticism if it's there, 
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unpleasant. 
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who's a journalist accusing the 
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Israel and Gaza and he's being 
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Now let's let's just unpack this
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We'll bring this up. 
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This is the man in question, the
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This is his book here, Red Sea 
of Spies, which he apparently Co

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wrote with Danny Lamour, A 
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question and this is the BBC 
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Now, this is written by Jones. 
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article, by the way. 
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It's probably about 5000 words. 
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the what, what you might call 
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impartiality and fairness. 
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Deep look into the internal 
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a quantitative assessment of how
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long siege in Gaza and also 
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behind the coverage, in 
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Raffy Berg. 
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Raffy Berg like is he kind of 
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Foreign Broadcasting Service, 
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total CIA front under the State 
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apparently when he found out, 
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ACIA front, he was quote, 
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So not my words, of course, 
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gave upon his knowledge of that 
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So it's an excellent piece of 
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people might disagree with Owen 
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this is excellent reporting. 
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Mike, we're talking about 
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Let's when you say the BBC is 
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coverage from October 7th 
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This is what we're talking 
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This is the rankings of top 50 
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OK, now look where the BBC ranks
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And the numbers we're talking 
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OK, look at that. 
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visits globally. 
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New York Times combined. 
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that we're witnessing here. 
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story has been on the burner for
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This is Jonathan Cook tweeted 
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Raffy Berg and accounts Mossad 
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etcetera. 
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have somebody who is pro Israel 
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Israel as as your Middle East 
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organization in the world. 
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problem there. 
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story here, we have to give 
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MIT Press news. 
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2025, Mike. 
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it's not a new story. 
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publicity to it. 
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huge drops. 
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100,000 and the first day they 
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say they're ready to fight Ryan 
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former intercept. 
They're ready to fight this 

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case. 
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money, Mike, to go the distance 
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This would be a huge defeat for 
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lobby if they lose in court, but
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OK, OK. 
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Vanessa, let me welcome you to 
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And, well, Jelani, our favorite 
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of course, but the other founder
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Shibani, the Sakuri regime 
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at the White House and appearing
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So this was in the New York 
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Syrian President meets Trump at 
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both in Riyadh and of on the 
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this is what Trump said when he 
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regarding the lifting of 
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So let's just we're. 
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doing a very good job. 
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he's a tough guy, but I got 
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That's a that's a tough one, but
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You know, we took the sanctions 
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the request of actually Israel, 
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different countries, and we took
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chance, so. 
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the fact that Israel was 
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lift the sanctions on Syria. 
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video of Jolani and Asad 
Chaibani playing nothing other 

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than basketball with Brad 
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Brigadier General Kevin Lambert 
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coalition in the region. 
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Jelani playing basketball in 
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the massacres that were carried 
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coast in the South. 
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massacres and slaughters, 
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torture of civilians is 
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all of this pomp and pageantry 
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Interesting that a lot of people
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Jolani entered by the back door,
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which is the route normally 
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It's important to note, of 
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around him, which is quite 
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at President Assange 3rd 
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US, but for various state visits
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during the war when he had very 
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him. 
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the US and the majority of the 
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it is, have not actually 
recognized the Takfiri regime in

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Syria officially. 
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I mean, this is just an 
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Trump grinning inanely with 
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There's a number of these 
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Many people have said to me 
they're they're actually 

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reaching a point of Geelani 
fatigue because the branding and

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promotion by the MI sex and the 
CIA and so on is is really off 

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the scale. 
There were images today of him 

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playing chess, which which, you 
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imagination. 
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this image bearing in mind that 
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state will sit next to Trump in 
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To me, they look like a series 
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the headmaster. 
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language, they're interesting. 
Vance's direction of of where 

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he's looking seems to be looking
at Jolani's shoes to check 

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whether they're properly 
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But then if we go on to 
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Jelani did an interview, sorry, 
with Fox News while he was 

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there. 
This is just a summary by 

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Sprinter Press. 
Syria has declared an alliance 

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with the US. 
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President stated that the 
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geopolitical ally of the United 
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He added that Washington can now
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Moscow during the Kremlin 
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the terrorist group Al Qaeda was
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In an interview with Fox News, 
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not involved in the attacks on 
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11th and he was too young at the
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I mean that, you know, you know,
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know, I can't find the words for
it really important. 

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This image. 
This is Jelani looking rather 

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like he'd stolen the suit from 
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over the palace. 
He's looking very uncomfortable 

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in that outfit. 
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Republican Congress member Brian
Mast, stalwart supporter of 

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kicked off the genocide of 
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into Congress wearing the 
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He's a staunch Christian 
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So again, the connection to 
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Israel lobbied for sanctions to 
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And here's Jelani with Brian 
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But also here is Assad Shibani 
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the US Secretary of State, Marco
Rubio, who's probably the 

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closest both to the deep state 
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administration, talking about 
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Syrian mission and the embassy 
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which I think is also in itself 
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So let's just have a look at 
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You can expect some 
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We want to see Syria become a 
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And I think this leader can do 
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I really do. 
I think this leader. 

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Can do it. 
And people said he's had a rough

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past. 
We all had rough pasts, but he 

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has had a rough past and I 
think. 

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Frankly, if you didn't. 
Have a rough past? 

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You wouldn't have a chance. 
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Turkey. 
Rough past I I think Jolanis 

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present is pretty rough 
considering the the atrocities 

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that are being committed against
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have been of course for the last
15 years. 

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00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,920
And as regards Trump's rough 
past, we won't mention Epstein. 

456
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,000
So there were a number of 
summaries of what was actually 

457
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,440
discussed in the meeting. 
This was just one in the Italian

458
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,440
Institute for International 
Political Studies. 

459
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,000
And if we just move on, I did a 
summary of the main points which

460
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,720
we can now look at. 
So the sanctions were not 

461
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,320
actually lifted. 
We're being very much deceived 

462
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,600
when we're looking at media 
saying that Trump has lift 

463
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,400
sanctions on Syria. 
They've been lifted again for 

464
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,840
180 days or six months. 
The Caesar Act, which is the 

465
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,320
most draconian of the sanction 
measures imposed against the 

466
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:06,120
Syrian people as unilateral 
coercive measures under 

467
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:10,320
President Assad, actually needs 
Congress approval, which is why 

468
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,200
Jelani was lobbying Brian Miles 
to get them repealed. 

469
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,080
Sanctions, interestingly, 
despite the lifting for 180 

470
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,960
days, remain on Russia and Iran,
which is doubly ironic as Russia

471
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,520
actually prints has the monopoly
on the printing of Syrian 

472
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,000
currency. 
So I'm not quite sure how that's

473
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,600
going to affect that going 
forward. 

474
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,800
Discussion on the security 
agreement with Israel, which of 

475
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,760
course is heading towards 
normalization between Syria and 

476
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,480
Israel, which Jelani is digging 
his heels in about because of 

477
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,960
course that is going to turn the
majority even of his most 

478
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,400
staunch supporters against him. 
US are offering Intel, sharing 

479
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,440
arms and technology. 
Don't be full by that because of

480
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,840
course the US also offers arms 
and technology to the Lebanese 

481
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,920
Armed forces that are utterly 
incapable of defending 

482
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,640
themselves against Israel. 
And that would be the same 

483
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:10,400
situation in Syria. 
Syria to join the anti ISIS 

484
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320
coalition. 
Again, this is cannibalization 

485
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,840
policy for Jelani because the 
majority of his Tak fairy 

486
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,480
members, particularly the 
foreign ones are members of ISIS

487
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,000
or are defecting to ISIS in the 
view of Jelani's more moderate 

488
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080
policies. 
But also I think what's 

489
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,160
important is under this six 
month waiver of course, what 

490
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,280
does this do? 
This creates an environment in 

491
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,560
Syria where there is unlikely to
be serious foreign direct 

492
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,480
investment. 
It's risky for banks because 

493
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,840
there's potential the sanctions 
will be reimposed at the end of 

494
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,560
the six months. 
If Jelani doesn't comply with 

495
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,400
with Trump's demands. 
It leads to opaque fire sale 

496
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,680
concessions, which leads of 
course, to prices and jobs 

497
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,640
remaining static. 
And there's very little 

498
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,200
employment for Syrians now, and 
debt and vulture investment. 

499
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,480
So really, it's not. 
What Trump has done is 

500
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,440
effectively not helping Syria at
all. 

501
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,000
It's all semantics and image 
building. 

502
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,240
Thank you. 
Undoubtedly we'll talk more 

503
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,680
about that in Extra, but you got
any thoughts? 

504
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Well, I think maybe Keir Starmer
should pardon the 77 bombers 

505
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,360
because they had a rough past. 
They've had a rough past. 

506
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,120
Osama bin Laden had a rough 
past. 

507
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Abu Baker al Baghdadi Rough. 
Past I I can't work out how 

508
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,920
someone who was the deputy 
leader of ISIS can suddenly 

509
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160
become part of the anti ISIS 
coalition. 

510
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,000
If you haven't built a golf 
course in Dubai or you know, 

511
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,680
blown up a few cities, you 
really not fit to run a country.

512
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,960
Right. 
OK, well, we'll, we'll talk more

513
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,480
about that. 
An extra, I have no doubt, Liz. 

514
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,400
Liz Evans, welcome to the 
program. 

515
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,520
It's been a while since you've 
been on, but today we're talking

516
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,600
about organ donation. 
Thanks very much, Mike. 

517
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,360
Yeah, on Monday, we saw the 
Telegraph around this headline, 

518
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,200
which bemoaned a shortage of 
organ donations due to the 

519
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600
increase in deaths at home since
COVID. 

520
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,120
I wonder why that could be. 
But I'm not sure that what I'm 

521
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,200
going to say now, it will 
alleviate that situation. 

522
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,840
My deep dive into the murky 
world of organ donation has 

523
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,200
uncovered serious ethical and 
safety issues the public need to

524
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,200
be aware of. 
And the first is this recent 

525
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,240
change to the law on organ 
donation in the UK. 

526
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,400
So previously you opted in by 
carrying an organ donor card or 

527
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,000
your relatives were asked in the
case of a sudden death or 

528
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,360
accident and the choice was 
yours and your relatives alone. 

529
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,960
The new law requires you to 
actively opt out on the NHS 

530
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,760
organ donation register to avoid
forced donation against your 

531
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,560
family's wishes. 
And if you don't opt out before 

532
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,760
you die, you're considered to 
have consented to donating your 

533
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,960
organs. 
This fundamentally changes how 

534
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,960
your body is viewed when you 
die, effectively making the 

535
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,560
state the owner of your body 
after your death. 

536
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,680
Now this drastic change to the 
law has not been well 

537
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,200
publicised. 
I think many people are unaware 

538
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,840
of it or what they need to do to
opt out and the slide that you 

539
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,800
just saw shows a couple of the 
NHS adverts to alert the public,

540
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,840
which I certainly hadn't seen. 
And then to complicate the 

541
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,280
issue, England, Wales, Scotland 
and Northern Ireland have 

542
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,920
different legislation using 
different terms that all mean 

543
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,440
the same thing. 
So Wales was the first to bring 

544
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,160
in what they call deemed consent
in December 2015. 

545
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,960
Then in May 2020 England brought
in an opt out system for 

546
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,160
everyone over 18 years with 
capacity. 

547
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,840
In March 2021 Scotland brought 
in deemed authorisation for 

548
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,200
everyone over 16 years, 16 
years. 

549
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,400
Then in June 2023 Northern 
Ireland brought in the Organ and

550
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Tissue Donation Deemed Consent 
Act for over eighteens. 

551
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,280
Now interestingly some of these 
laws are emotively named after 

552
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,200
children. 
So England has Max and Keira's 

553
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Law, named after 9 year old Max 
Johnson who needed a heart 

554
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,920
transplant and campaigned for 
this opt in system and his 

555
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,920
donor, 9 year old Kira Bell. 
Northern Ireland has Dahi's Law 

556
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,240
in honour of a little boy on the
heart transplant waiting list 

557
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,960
since 2018. 
Now the reasons given for 

558
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,760
changing the law are firstly the
shortage of organs for donation 

559
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,440
and also to allow more people to
save more lives. 

560
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,400
An NHS blood and transplant site
that in England IN2018411 people

561
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,480
died on the organ transplant 
waiting list while around 1000 

562
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,320
families refused organ 
donations. 

563
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,160
So they argued that changing the
law would make decisions easier 

564
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,280
for grieving families, IE there 
would be no decision to make. 

565
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,800
So the way the new law works in 
practice is that specialist 

566
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,880
nurses will speak to the family 
who do have a quote soft opt out

567
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,440
option if no decision has been 
registered. 

568
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,960
But if you have given consent, 
your family will be encouraged 

569
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,000
to agree with your decision and 
crucially will have no legal 

570
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,920
right to override your decision.
And we're about to see a clip 

571
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,600
from an NHS training video which
shows a role play situation 

572
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,240
where the relatives of the dying
patient have never heard of the 

573
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,560
change in the law, they've never
discussed organ transplantation.

574
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,560
They are shocked that the law 
assumes he has consented and 

575
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,720
they appear reluctant. 
I'm just going to show you the 

576
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,520
minute at the end which shows 
the nurse explaining how this 

577
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,760
works. 
We need to make a decision 

578
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,080
today. 
I. 

579
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,680
Don't really think about it as 
making a decision because like I

580
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,360
said before, the way the law 
works now is to try and take the

581
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,080
pressure off families that find 
themselves in this position on 

582
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,800
this obviously the saddest day. 
So what we'll be asking for is 

583
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,480
your support in helping Philip 
to become a donor. 

584
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,160
I'm just, I don't know, it 
sounds like a good thing. 

585
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,080
I just. 
I just think he's. 

586
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,400
Been through a lot already, you 
know now. 

587
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:35,790
We have to think about. 
It it does, it does seem like a 

588
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:38,760
good. 
Idea what we'd have to talk 

589
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:39,600
about. 
Yeah, of course. 

590
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,560
I'll give you some time to think
about it and I'll come back and 

591
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,560
answer any questions or concerns
that you've got. 

592
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:53,600
OK, OK. 
OK, so you are strongly 

593
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,280
encouraged to record your 
decision on the NHS Organ Donor 

594
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,800
Register and make sure your 
family know your decision and 

595
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,440
that any children over the age 
of 18 or 16 in Scotland have 

596
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,400
done the same. 
And even if you're happy to 

597
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,239
donate, I think it's worth 
considering whether to opt out 

598
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,400
anyway, allowing your family to 
make the decision within the 

599
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,840
context at the time, rather than
the state making the final 

600
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,040
decision now. 
Then, my next section may help 

601
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,840
you to make a more informed 
decision. 

602
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,840
Several commentators have 
recently raised serious concerns

603
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,719
that organs may be being 
harvested from people who are 

604
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,679
not actually dead. 
The brain death does not mean 

605
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,120
fully dead, certainly not in the
way that is commonly understood 

606
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,760
as a irreversible and permanent 
state in which life cannot be 

607
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,360
restored to the individual. 
Death used to be defined as the 

608
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,159
irreversible and permanent 
cessation of heartbeat and 

609
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,920
circulation, IE true biological 
death. 

610
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,400
But this would preclude much 
organ donation because without a

611
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,280
working circulation, organs, 
particularly the heart and 

612
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:03,040
lungs, degrade quickly. 
For historical context, in 1967 

613
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,680
the world's first heart 
transplant was carried out by 

614
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,880
Christian Barnard using a donor 
with a severe brain injury. 

615
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,320
At the time, the definition of 
death was whole body death, so a

616
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,320
doctor would have been expected 
to turn off the ventilator and 

617
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,520
wait for the heart to stop 
naturally before harvesting the 

618
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,680
organs. 
I was shocked to discover that 

619
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,880
decades later it was revealed 
that Christian Barnard had 

620
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,480
stopped the donors heart himself
by injecting potassium chloride,

621
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,160
killing the patient and enabling
him to immediately harvest a 

622
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,280
healthy heart legally from a 
fully dead body. 

623
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,320
Having not disclosed this 
criminal act, Barna became an 

624
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,520
international sensation and 
Playboy, featuring on the front 

625
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,800
of Time magazine. 
Then the following year, in 

626
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,840
1968, the Harvard committee 
redefined death to include 

627
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,960
neurological criteria, with a 
new diagnosis of brain death, 

628
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,800
defined as an irreversible coma 
with no respiratory function. 

629
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,000
They justified this expansion of
the definition of death on 

630
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,840
utilitarian grounds, firstly to 
reduce the burden on the 

631
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,600
patient, family, hospital and 
society from comatose patients, 

632
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:18,400
and secondly to facilitate organ
harvesting from patients who 

633
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,920
didn't meet the dead donor rule.
The rule that you are completely

634
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,560
dead before your organs are 
removed because they still had a

635
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,080
working circulation and 
biological functions. 

636
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,840
This therefore enabled healthy 
organs to be procured. 

637
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,040
Now the UK currently has no 
statutory definition of death, 

638
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,600
but the British Transplant 
Society defines it as the 

639
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,920
permanent loss of the capacity 
for consciousness and loss of 

640
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,200
all brain stem functions which 
can result from either the 

641
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:52,680
permanent cessation of 
circulation or from catastrophic

642
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,200
brain injury leading to 
so-called brain death. 

643
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Now donation after circulatory 
death actually only requires 5 

644
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,400
minutes of continuous cardio 
respiratory arrest to fulfil the

645
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,120
dead donor rule, but a person is
unlikely to be fully brain dead 

646
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,880
after such a short time, so it's
questionable whether the 

647
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,680
situation is irreversible. 
And there are many cases of 

648
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,520
people being successfully 
resuscitated after cardiac 

649
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,840
arrest for far longer than 5 
minutes, so many argue that this

650
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,680
constitutes A physician assisted
death, violating both criminal 

651
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,520
law and the central tenet of 
medicine to do no harm. 

652
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,320
And then in the summer of this 
year, Kate Chemerani, the 

653
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,400
nursing ethics campaigner and Co
founder of the British Nursing 

654
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Alliance, began to raise the 
alarm that organ donation 

655
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,200
protocols in the UK are 
unethical and dangerous because 

656
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,000
they're based on a legal fiction
that brainstem death equals 

657
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,120
death. 
Kate argues that neither the 

658
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,600
scientific literature nor 
clinical practice supports the 

659
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,400
claim that brain death is 
equivalent to death, that there 

660
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,000
are many recorded cases of 
recovery in what was considered 

661
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,320
an irreversible situation. 
She also points out that brain 

662
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,040
dead individuals maintain 
heartbeat, circulation, hormonal

663
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,680
function and can even gestate 
fetuses. 

664
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,840
Kate has published several 
excellent articles on her sub 

665
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,600
stack and Facebook page over the
last few months that are well 

666
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,240
worth a read. 
And these NHS guidelines for 

667
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:29,240
retrieving organs from brain 
dead donors admit that spinal 

668
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:34,080
movements which can appear 
quotes purposeful are reported 

669
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,920
in as many as 50% of brain dead 
brain stem dead patients. 

670
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,240
But doctors are reassured that 
this doesn't invalidate the 

671
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,640
diagnosis of death. 
But then, disturbingly, they are

672
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,000
encouraged to give muscle 
relaxants to patients prior to 

673
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,320
organ retrieval. 
And this paper even details the 

674
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,000
role of anaesthetist to provide 
sedation and analgesia to the 

675
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,680
donor during organ harvesting. 
Then in July this year, Robert F

676
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,320
Kennedy Junior's HHS announced 
that a four year federal 

677
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,080
investigation had uncovered 
serious ethical and safety 

678
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,880
violations in the harvesting of 
organs in the US that hospitals 

679
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,280
had quotes allowed the organ 
procurement process to begin 

680
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,400
when patients showed signs of 
life. 

681
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,360
Secretary Kennedy stated the 
entire system must be fixed to 

682
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,480
ensure that every potential 
donors life is treated with the 

683
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,080
sanctity it deserves and 
recently announced an agenda to 

684
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,960
reform the US organ transplant 
system. 

685
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,280
The federal investigation was 
triggered by the appalling case 

686
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,200
of Anthony TJ Hoover, a man in 
his 30s who was admitted to 

687
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,880
hospital with a drug overdose. 
After two days of being 

688
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,640
unresponsive and being declared 
brain dead, his family agreed to

689
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,760
remove life support so he could 
have his organ harvested. 

690
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,280
But as the procedure began, TJ 
woke up and started thrashing 

691
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,280
around on the bed and visibly 
crying. 

692
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,560
Staff members began to protest, 
but it was only when the 

693
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,960
procuring surgeon refused to 
participate that the procedure 

694
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,160
was finally stopped and Hoover 
survived, although with brain 

695
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,640
damage. 
Subsequent investigations into 

696
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,440
Network for Hope, the organ 
procurement service, revealed 

697
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,960
351 instances where donation was
authorised but not completed, 

698
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,600
and of these, 73 had 
neurological signs incompatible 

699
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,320
with organ donation, IE were not
brain dead. 

700
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,880
Also in the US, there are 
significant financial incentives

701
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,000
to maximise organ and tissue 
harvesting, and the report 

702
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,080
described organ harvest teams as
predatory, pressuring medical 

703
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,680
staff and families to expedite 
the procedure. 

704
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,920
And shockingly, organs are even 
being harvested from euthanized 

705
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,120
patients in assisted dying 
programs in the Netherlands, 

706
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,120
Canada and Spain. 
For example, in Quebec, organ 

707
00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:02,120
donation after made increased 
from 4.9% of deaths in 2018 to 

708
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:09,080
14% in 2022. 
Then there's this paper on liver

709
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,160
donation from MAID patients, 
which quotes Doctor James 

710
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,920
Shapiro saying that he hopes his
study will allow a better 

711
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,400
understanding of the potential 
role of organ donation following

712
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,800
MAID and how impactful it can be
for saving lives of many people 

713
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,280
in their final act of 
generosity. 

714
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,680
And predictably, this has led to
cause for similar practices in 

715
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,400
the UK if the Assisted Dying 
Bill is passed, such as we have 

716
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,760
a. 
I think we've got a slide of a 

717
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,440
2025 editorial in the BMJ. 
And we have a video clip of a 

718
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,800
former New Zealand MP speaking 
at the recent Assisted Dying 

719
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,920
Bill Select Committee hearing in
the House of Lords last week, 

720
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,000
warning of the slippery slope 
that in just four years in New 

721
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,760
Zealand has led to harvesting of
organs being commonplace from 

722
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,120
victims of euthanasia. 
So we'll roll that clip. 

723
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,880
A. 
Good example of that is organ 

724
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,760
donation. 
New Zealand Now has created 

725
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,120
policies about taking organs 
from euthanized patients. 

726
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,880
Again, that was not specified in
the law and the civil servants 

727
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,840
have decided to pick up that 
ball and run with it. 

728
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,640
OK, And then just a quick word 
from the organ recipients 

729
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,680
perspective. 
We are also seeing medical 

730
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,760
ethics being violated with 
coerced vaccination, which was 

731
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,080
brought to the To the Attention 
of UK column by a parent of a 

732
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,720
teenager with a congenital 
kidney condition who will 

733
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,720
require a kidney transplant one 
day. 

734
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,840
Now, she had remained entirely 
unvaccinated because her parents

735
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,960
decided it wasn't in her best 
interest. 

736
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,040
That decision led to harassment 
of the parents by doctors. 

737
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,360
She they've had repeated 
pressure to vaccinate their 

738
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,120
daughter and we're told she 
would eventually have to be 

739
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,680
vaccinated before she could have
a transplant. 

740
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,120
Now it turns out that catch up 
vaccination is is recommended, 

741
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,000
but it's not mandatory. 
But in practice, the recipient 

742
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,440
is not offered an organ unless 
they comply with the guidance. 

743
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,360
The argument being made that is 
that it's a luxury to receive an

744
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,440
organ. 
So the recipient has a duty to 

745
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,760
honour the donor's gift by 
complying with all the 

746
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,400
recommendations to maximise the 
chance of a successful 

747
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,040
transplant. 
And this even applies if the 

748
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,960
donor is a living donor, 
including the parent. 

749
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,080
So this shows it's an 
ideological and not a scientific

750
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,320
position. 
So I just want to finish with 

751
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:36,920
good news from Texas, where they
have actually passed a bill very

752
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,880
recently in September, House 
Bill 4076, which explicitly 

753
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,400
prohibits Texan hospitals from 
denying organ transplants based 

754
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,760
solely on a patient's 
vaccination status. 

755
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,360
And hopefully we can get a 
similar challenge here in the 

756
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,320
US, sorry, in the UK. 
Thank you Liz. 

757
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,320
Thank you very much for that. 
Now just a quick reminder that 

758
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,200
one more background to this, we 
have an excellent article by 

759
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,240
Doctor Mike Williams on the UK 
Column website entitled No Time 

760
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,040
to Die. 
So do have a look at that if you

761
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,960
haven't seen that already. 
Now if you like what the UK 

762
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,640
column does and you would like 
to support us, details of how 

763
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,640
you can do that can be found via
the front page of the UK Column 

764
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,280
website. 
Please do click on the blue box 

765
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,000
and if you can support us 
financially we do need that and 

766
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,240
that would be massively 
appreciated by all here. 

767
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,760
If you can't support us 
financially, then please do 

768
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,360
share anything you find on the 
UK column website on the various

769
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,760
social media platforms with a 
link back. 

770
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,520
That would be extremely helpful 
as well. 

771
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,160
Tonight, Jerem is speaking to 
Danny Carroll on the 

772
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,080
psychological link to cancer at 
7:00 PM. 

773
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,240
And Carl Zaz speaking to a black
American hip hop artist in 

774
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:54,120
China, I think responsible for 
the rise of hip hop and in in 

775
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,680
China. 
So join us for that at 9 and 

776
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,760
Patrick very quickly. 
Andrew Bridge in Part 2 in 

777
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,280
Totnes on Friday. 
That's right, Friday night, 7 

778
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,760
stars in Totnes are still 
tickets available. 

779
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,840
If you missed the first part 
with Andrew Bridgen a few months

780
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,920
ago, it was a stunning talk. 
You were there, Mike, with 

781
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,840
Brian, the Q&A. 
And they'll be discussing 

782
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,880
digital ID money, Bitcoin, the 
Reform Party, Zionism, Charlie 

783
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,520
Kirk, sovereignty activism and a
whole lot more tickets on 

784
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,000
Eventbrite. 
Just type in Andrew Bridgen 

785
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,280
November 14th on Eventbrite and 
you will see tickets available. 

786
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,520
There's still some left 
according to the organizers. 

787
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,760
So yeah, it should be an 
interesting evening, Yeah. 

788
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,880
That's Totnes in the Seven Stars
Hotel on Friday, and on 

789
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,240
Saturday, Cumbria Against 
Government Betrayal is going to 

790
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:48,800
be at Carlisle Market Square. 
Diane Rasmussen speaking at 

791
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,440
that. 
If you can possibly get along 

792
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,080
against digital IDs and so on, 
do join for that. 

793
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:01,440
OK, Patrick, let's move on to 
Berlin and Gaza related news. 

794
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,600
Well, if you if you've been 
watching social media, Mike, 

795
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,440
TikTok, Instagram X, you'll see 
the German police have been 

796
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,440
quite thuggish with 
demonstrators who are opposing 

797
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:16,400
Israel's genocide in Gaza here. 
So this is up in Germany. 

798
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,720
We'll bring this up on screen 
German High Court, Mike. 

799
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,880
So this is in the High Court and
this is an issue of free speech.

800
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,400
So they're going after pro 
Palestinian demonstrators here. 

801
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,280
Now, someone who was on the 
program before, Yara Madarelli, 

802
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,960
she's a journalist. 
She is based in Europe. 

803
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,240
She was there at the court 
proceedings and she did an 

804
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,400
excellent piece to camera along 
with her other colleague from 

805
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,800
the Global Summit of Flotilla. 
And so we'll look at that report

806
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,240
real quick and we have a quick 
comment. 

807
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,920
But here, here is the outside of
the court hearings, and she'll 

808
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,160
explain what this is all about. 
I'm here at a Berlin courthouse 

809
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,240
where we just observed A 
historic hearing where for the 

810
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:59,120
very first time, a Palestinian 
solidarity activist is being 

811
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,440
tried, not in a local court as 
usual, but in a higher state. 

812
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,080
Court. 
The state has escalated this 

813
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,040
case by labeling the political 
slogan From the River to the 

814
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,360
Sea, Palestine will be Free as 
terrorist propaganda. 

815
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,760
This label turns a case about 
free expression into a dangerous

816
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,040
legal precedent that could 
affect thousands of existing 

817
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,480
cases and in turn further 
criminalize any solidarity with 

818
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Palestine. 
It's increasingly clear that 

819
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,920
Berlin is rapidly descending 
into full-fledged fascism. 

820
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,640
Where the state not only 
suppresses dissent but actively 

821
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,320
rewrites the meaning of justice,
Those who speak out against a 

822
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,520
genocide and raise their voices 
for human rights are punished, 

823
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,240
while war criminals are 
protected. 

824
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,240
This case is not just about one 
person, it's about a broader 

825
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,680
effort to silence an entire 
movement to make the difference.

826
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,440
Of. 
Palestinian life itself a crime.

827
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,400
We're living in an upside down 
reality where peaceful 

828
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,960
protesters and human right 
advocates are prosecuted while 

829
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Benjamin Netanyahu and his 
cabinet of war criminals 

830
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,960
continue their war crimes 
without consequence. 

831
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,960
This entire process was 
deliberately to constructed to 

832
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,440
guarantee a biased outcome. 
The case was arranged so that it

833
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,120
would land before a specific 
judge one. 

834
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,920
Who already holds a clear 
political position on Palestine?

835
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,000
Every step of the legal process 
here reveals a system designed 

836
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,360
not for justice but for 
conviction. 

837
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,520
Today's case is a clear 
violation of due process and of 

838
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,080
the most basic principle of 
justice. 

839
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,400
Germany can silence and distort 
the truth all they want, but the

840
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,520
world stands with Palestine and 
the people will not allow the 

841
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,600
struggle for. 
Freedom and equality to be 

842
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,200
criminalised. 
Justice for Palestine is justice

843
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,440
for all. 
From the river to the sea, 

844
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:01,000
Palestine will be free. 
So they've been taken lessons 

845
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,000
from the British. 
Well, there's gonna be, there's 

846
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,360
gonna be 10 more court 
appearances in this High Court. 

847
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,280
We'll get a follow up from Yara 
as to results out there. 

848
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,640
Her colleague there from the 
Global Samud Flotilla crew 

849
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,960
member Kubra Sinar, who joined 
her there. 

850
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,520
And it's great to see the Global
Flotilla crew, Mike on, on the 

851
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,520
ground, on land. 
And they'll be promoting BDS 

852
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,680
sanctions against Israel and 
following these free speech 

853
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,040
issues here. 
But we'll go back to London. 

854
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,640
And thank you to Yada and her 
colleague for that report. 

855
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,200
We're back to London here. 
Bob Villain, you remember 

856
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,480
Glastonbury, this was over the 
summer. 

857
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,200
Here is the British rapper Bob 
Villain and he had a show in 

858
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,840
Kentish Town last night. 
And of course, the media were 

859
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,960
going crazy. 
How could this be allowed? 

860
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,840
Bob Villain's welcome in Camden,
according to these activist 

861
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,720
groups here. 
So that kind of a welcoming 

862
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:55,440
party for him at his gig at I 
think it was at the Kentish Town

863
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,960
Forum there, but an incredible 
scene. 

864
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,040
And of course, there's the 
reaction Mike from the 

865
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,120
Telegraph. 
As you can imagine, Starmer 

866
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,080
ignores calls to block Bob 
Villain performance in his 

867
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,440
constituency. 
So that what I call the woke 

868
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,880
right here at the Telegraph 
going for cancellation, limiting

869
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,840
free speech, all the things they
railed against the radical left 

870
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,480
and the woke for, they're doing 
themselves, of course, no 

871
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,800
surprise there. 
But we'll bring on sort of the 

872
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,600
scenes from that night here, 
courtesy of our colleagues from 

873
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,400
Al Mayadeen TV from Moussa 
Soror, and we'll look at the 

874
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,160
scenes here. 
You can see some incredible 

875
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,280
scenes here. 
This is outside. 

876
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,920
You'll see some of the crowd 
forming. 

877
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,600
So it's kind of a symbolic 
demonstration in solidarity with

878
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,080
Palestine. 
That's what's happened with Bob 

879
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,600
Villain. 
He's turned into a kind of 

880
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,040
phenomenon. 
So the more they censor him, the

881
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,600
more they try to shut him down, 
the more popular this guy gets. 

882
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,160
And so he basically famously 
said at Glastonbury, death, 

883
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,040
death to the IDF were in, in 
London, Cockney, deaf, deaf to 

884
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,760
the idea. 
But, and apparently that was the

885
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,480
big sort of controversy here. 
And so you can see people, we'll

886
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,360
show in a minute. 
People have T-shirts with that 

887
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,440
slogan on it. 
And apparently they're just the,

888
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,000
the Israeli and pro Jewish 
organizations, they're very 

889
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,480
upset about this show being 
allowed to happen in London. 

890
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,240
And they're, a lot of people are
saying they're feeling unsafe 

891
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,320
and so forth. 
So it's amazing how this is 

892
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,200
developed into kind of a 
phenomenon here. 

893
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,760
But we have some vox pops here 
from outside the, the, the gig. 

894
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,520
And there's that. 
That's the Israeli counter 

895
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,200
demonstration as you can see 
Mike right there up on screen 

896
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,880
and not not very big, but 
they're sort of the police were 

897
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,440
there to kind of break them up. 
But but here is here's a few 

898
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,040
some react couple reactions real
quickly from and a courtesy to 

899
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,000
Al Mayedeen TV for this footage 
as well. 

900
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,000
But here we'll take a look at 
these vox pops. 

901
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,600
I'm wearing this T-shirt. 
Because it's called. 

902
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,400
The end of the Genocide of. 
The arm, but. 

903
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,680
This the. 
Israel meant to be the most 

904
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,080
progressive and so-called the 
best military in the army, most 

905
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,200
most democratic. 
For the other ones committing 

906
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,080
genocide, I'll wear this T-shirt
to call for here in solidarity. 

907
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,840
With Bob. 
Villa, who has spoken out? 

908
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,680
There you go and you can see 
that was the journalist there, 

909
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,440
the reporter, Moussa Sarur, an 
excellent journalist with Al 

910
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,960
Maydeen covering that story. 
So an interesting update from 

911
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,480
London. 
A lot of people are interested 

912
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,160
in what's happening with Bob 
Villain. 

913
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,400
He was in Turkey recently, had a
couple sold out gigs there just 

914
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,640
at the tail end of the summer. 
Increasingly popular after being

915
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,720
cancelled. 
Yes, OK. 

916
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,040
Well, thank you for that, 
Vanessa. 

917
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,960
Let's come back to you then and 
back to Syria. 

918
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,960
And the question is, are they 
the the new Syrian regime 

919
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,560
looking for money from the IMF? 
Well, this is a very interesting

920
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,040
scenario. 
Jelani met with the IMF while he

921
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,560
was meeting with Trump, but only
a couple of weeks ago the 

922
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,520
Takferi regime finance minister,
this was reported in Al 

923
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,800
Mayadeen. 
Syria is not seeking IMF or 

924
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,920
World Bank loans, said the 
interim finance minister. 

925
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,040
So let's have a look at what he 
actually says. 

926
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,000
But bearing in mind that this 
was following on, of course, 

927
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,280
from Jolani and Chobani's visit 
to Moscow, which was followed up

928
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,480
with a visit by the defence 
minister also to Moscow, which 

929
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,400
led to Russia potentially being 
able to expand its bases into 

930
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,600
Hans and Hamar, which we 
reported last week in Syria, 

931
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,080
Central Syria. 
So basically at the end of this 

932
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,000
meeting in Moscow, the finance 
minister was talking about hope 

933
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,640
in Syria, Russian relations, and
of course that includes grain 

934
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,680
supply, potential weapons 
supply, the printing of Syrian 

935
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,520
currency, which is done by an 
organization, Russian 

936
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,520
organization called Gosnak. 
And so therefore things were 

937
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,880
looking, let's say, very rosy 
for relations between Syria and 

938
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,800
Russia. 
But look what then happened 

939
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:19,840
during Jelani's visit to the 
White House, suddenly reported 

940
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,440
in the Syrian Arab News Agency, 
which is now totally aligned, of

941
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:29,160
course, with the takfiri regime.
IMF is ready to support Syria's 

942
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,120
economic recovery. 
Kristalina Georgieva, who's 

943
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,560
heads up the IMF. 
And here's a video of Jelani 

944
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,760
entering his meeting with the 
IMF in New York. 

945
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,160
Mr. President. 
Welcome to the IMF. 

946
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,400
Music. 
So it seems really to me that 

947
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,720
that Trump is now stepping in to
ensure that Moscow doesn't get 

948
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,360
too much influence in Syria, 
Although of course, Russia would

949
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,600
not be able to maintain its 
bases in Syria and expand them 

950
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,480
without Washington oversight, 
having Israel, having lobbied of

951
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,160
course, for Russia to remain to 
prevent Turkish expansionism 

952
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,120
into Syrian territory. 
But let's have a look at what 

953
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:48,440
the Italian institute had 
actually said about the fact 

954
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,880
that they're talking about 
sanctions. 

955
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,360
But then of course they go on to
talk about talks with IMF 

956
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,360
Managing director Kristalina 
Georgieva is to open Syria's 

957
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,480
long closed state dominated 
economy. 

958
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,320
Of course, Jolani is headed very
much into the crony capitalist 

959
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,920
system, bringing in majority 
family members and so on to run 

960
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,320
the economy in Syria to attract 
international investment to a 

961
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,360
country devastated by 14 years 
of war, of course waged by the 

962
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,760
very entities that Jolani was 
meeting with in the US. 

963
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,960
Now this is fascinating to me. 
Rebuilding of Syria after 14 

964
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:32,160
years war will require over 200 
billion, which is to be compared

965
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:39,400
to Gaza 65 billion after two 
years of genocide, escalated 

966
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:45,640
genocide by the Zionist entity. 
Now what is interesting about 

967
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:51,160
this, the biggest current World 
Bank and IMF debt is Argentina 

968
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:56,840
41.8 billion. 
Syria is intended to be 200 

969
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,520
billion. 
This is indicative of the 

970
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:06,880
importance of keeping Syria 
completely enslaved to foreign 

971
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,520
debt, basically weakening Syria 
not only militarily and from a 

972
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,520
sovereignty perspective, 
partitioning it, but also 

973
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:20,360
keeping it under the most heavy 
debt enslavement. 

974
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:28,400
And just again on the subject of
Moscow and and Trump vying for 

975
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:34,040
influence in Syria, this was an 
interview at Al Arabiya English 

976
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,320
with Robert Ford, of course, the
former U.S. ambassador to Syria 

977
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,320
involved in the rebranding of 
Geelani into the now perceived 

978
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,800
political opposition and of 
course now unelected president 

979
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,280
of Syria. 
And of course, Ford was 

980
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,040
responsible for facilitating the
death squads in the early days 

981
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,920
of the so-called peaceful 
uprising in Syria. 

982
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,640
But here he is actually talking 
about the competition between 

983
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,200
Russia and the US and Syria. 
So let's play this. 

984
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,720
Shara was just in Moscow 
recently and talked about, for 

985
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,480
example, security arrangements, 
military equipment and such 

986
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,360
things, and also the possibility
of Russian involvement in the 

987
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,240
reconstruction of Syria's oil 
and power sectors. 

988
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,200
So. 
It's not. 

989
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,320
Right to say that the. 
Relationship between Syria and 

990
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,840
Russia is entirely cast aside or
marginalized. 

991
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:41,400
But I think Shada understands 
that American and Western 

992
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:48,480
capabilities to help Syria a get
past sanctions and B bring in 

993
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,360
private investment. 
Working with Gulf states is far 

994
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,160
greater than anything Russia can
do for Syria economically. 

995
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,920
So the gauntlet is very clearly 
thrown down, but of course the 

996
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,880
Syrian people benefit from 
neither having dominance in 

997
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,280
Syria. 
Thank you. 

998
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,400
Thank you, Vanessa. 
Thank you for that. 

999
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,000
We're just going to finish off 
today with a little bit of a 

1000
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,280
roundup of the conscription 
situation around Europe and the 

1001
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,680
world because of course, this 
has been a topic that's been 

1002
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,480
discussed in the UK in recent 
months and years. 

1003
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,120
Uh, so first of all, here we've 
got Germany because, uh, four 

1004
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,080
weeks ago there was a bit of an 
uproar, uh, within the GE German

1005
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,880
administration because, uh, uh, 
the defence minister found 

1006
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,960
himself up against his own 
parliamentary group. 

1007
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,080
This is because he was trying to
reach a target of 5000 new 

1008
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,280
recruits per year. 
But they had, you know, it was 

1009
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,160
basically impossible to do that 
just through voluntary 

1010
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,280
recruitment as it were. 
So they had come up with the 

1011
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,160
idea that in order to meet the 
NATO goal of 260,000 active 

1012
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:02,680
soldiers by 2035 + 200,000 
reservists, that they would have

1013
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,040
to bring in some form of 
mandatory recruitment for German

1014
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,560
youth. 
And so the SPD opposed this 

1015
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:14,160
idea. 
And, and they were proposing 

1016
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,000
instead to have some kind of 
questionnaire based volunteer 

1017
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,480
system. 
So this argument was going on 

1018
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,400
for the last four weeks. 
And then they came up with a 

1019
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,920
proposal to run a lottery 
scheme. 

1020
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,440
And in this case 18 year olds 
would be drafted through a 

1021
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,800
lottery based selection process.
But then the Ministry of Justice

1022
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:39,360
in Germany raised constitutional
objections to the use of a 

1023
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,400
lottery. 
And so the current plan now sees

1024
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,280
mandatory registration for all 
adult men aged 18 and above 

1025
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,720
starting in 2027. 
And then that will give them an 

1026
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,160
overall picture of what they've 
got potentially there. 

1027
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,440
And they'll they'll make a 
decision as to who's going to 

1028
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:57,920
end up being conscripted after 
that. 

1029
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,640
So, so they're still working on 
it, but it looks like they're 

1030
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,000
coming to some conclusion on 
that one. 

1031
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,720
But then we moved to Croatia and
they have now reintroduced 

1032
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:12,280
mandatory military service. 
This is following the end of 

1033
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:17,800
conscription in 2008, but 
they've now voted to restart it 

1034
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,640
again. 
Then we go to Sweden here 

1035
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,400
because they have announced what
they're describing as in this 

1036
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,240
article here in Defence Industry
Europe as Record defence budget.

1037
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:37,200
And some of this money includes 
money for conscripted personnel.

1038
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,960
They get an extra bonus by dent 
of the fact that it's been 

1039
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,280
conscripted. 
And they're also piling a load a

1040
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,440
lot more money into the agency 
which is there to to conscript 

1041
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,680
people in the 1st place. 
We mentioned actually some time 

1042
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,400
ago that Finland is already 
actually running a conscription 

1043
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,080
mechanism here and to this Metro
article talking about inside the

1044
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,360
Finnish Army base where young 
concert scripts prepare for war.

1045
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,480
So that's already a thing in 
Finland, in Finland, sorry. 

1046
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:13,360
And in Poland, of course, they, 
they already encourage or force 

1047
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,560
people to, to, to run some kind 
of military service in their 

1048
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,840
youth. 
But these they're looking at 

1049
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,480
those people then becoming part 
of a conscription mechanism 

1050
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,480
there as well. 
Poland is the most important 

1051
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,880
country of all of these because 
they're they're being used as 

1052
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:33,280
the basically spearhead of 
NATO's operation against Russia.

1053
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,960
And they're really relying on 
that anti Russian sentiment in 

1054
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,560
Poland. 
And so but they can't mobilize 

1055
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,520
because it's hot. 
It's not very popular in Poland 

1056
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,360
to want to go die just for the 
sort of, you know, collective 

1057
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,200
ego of NATO in the EU. 
Well, indeed, indeed. 

1058
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,240
I don't think it's popular in 
any of these countries. 

1059
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,280
It's not. 
But but anyway, just just to see

1060
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,160
one country that's thinking a 
little bit outside the box here 

1061
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,760
because they don't want to use 
the word conscription or 

1062
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,280
whatever the reason for it is. 
Just just briefly to look at 

1063
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,560
Canada. 
Their military is going to rely 

1064
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,600
on an army of public services, 
according to this servant. 

1065
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,680
Sorry, according to this article
in Ottawa Citizen. 

1066
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,320
So basically they want to boost 
their ranks by 300,000. 

1067
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,360
So they're going to anybody 
that's a civil servant will 

1068
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,600
basically have a gun thrust into
their hands and be sent on a 

1069
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,200
training course. 
That's a huge percentage of the 

1070
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,120
Canadian population, by the way,
to have a standing force like 

1071
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:25,880
that. 
And what's that for? 

1072
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,840
Is that for Trump's invasion of 
Canada? 

1073
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:29,840
We're not certain. 
We're not certain. 

1074
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,160
I mean, who knows, but but I 
mean, we're, we're just, I mean,

1075
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,200
was it Grant? 
Shap said. 

1076
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,760
We've moved from a, from a post 
war world to being a pre war 

1077
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,760
world. 
This is this is clearly ramping 

1078
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,400
up in a bad direction. 
I mean we had in America we have

1079
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,360
selective service. 
When I was 18/19/88 I got a 

1080
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,640
birthday card from the 
government with a candle on it 

1081
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,360
and beautiful picture and you 
have to sign the back saying you

1082
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,320
register for the draft. 
Now they they haven't activated 

1083
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,120
the draft but everyone has to 
they have a registration so they

1084
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,440
can activate it at any time. 
That was a big red pill moment 

1085
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,240
for me at 18 years old because 
that was the height of the anti 

1086
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:07,520
Vietnam War protests and all 
these films like Platoon coming 

1087
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,320
out with Oliver Stone. 
And you really had to think, am 

1088
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,080
I going to go into a Vietnam 
situation? 

1089
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,680
I was just getting out of high 
school and it the answer was 

1090
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,080
clearly no. 
And I think everybody probably 

1091
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,320
in my class and my school agreed
with me. 

1092
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,960
And probably that was pretty 
common across the country. 

1093
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,600
So, but it was is the system 
like having the registration 

1094
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,280
system in place? 
That's the first step. 

1095
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,160
Absolutely. 
So we will keep reporting on 

1096
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,880
this as time goes on. 
Seth, want to say thank you very

1097
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,400
much to Vanessa and Liz and to 
Patrick for joining me today and

1098
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,320
for you for watching. 
We'll be back in a few minutes 

1099
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,840
on the live stream. 
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1100
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,200
some UK column News extra, don't
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1101
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,560
We've got an interview going out
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1102
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,560
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1103
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,960
See you then. 
Bye bye.