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Hello and welcome to another UK 
column interview. 

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My name's Debbie Evans and for 
those of you that might not know

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me, I'm a retired nurse, I'm a 
past government advisor, I'm a 

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mum and I'm a granny. 
And that's why I'm particularly 

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particularly grateful to the 
three young men that have joined

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me today. 
Who's listening to you? 

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What can you say? 
Who's watching you? 

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What can you do? 
Is it OK to think? 

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And if it is, if it's alright 
for us to think, what can we 

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think about without 
repercussions? 

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Do we live in 2023 or are we 
living in 1984? 

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Many who are watching and who 
are regular members of UK column

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news will know that we have been
reporting on censorship, 

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eradication of free speech, 
thought crime and terrorism, 

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counter terrorism, domestic 
terrorism for many, many months 

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and many years. 
Actually, Brian Gerrish was 

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first talking about Prevent. 
We're going to be talking about 

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Prevent today, back in 2015, but
many people might not realise 

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that Prevent came to my 
attention and very, very quickly

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to the centre of my radar 
because of the courage of three 

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young men who have stood up and 
told their story about what 

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they've been going through. 
Not only have they been telling 

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the story, but they've been 
supporting one another and I'm 

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delighted therefore to introduce
you to a very brave teenager 

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called Saeed who was looking 
forward to his further 

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education, studying A levels and
his life was completely changed.

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So first of all, I'm going to 
introduce you to Saeed and we've

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blurt him out to preserve his 
identity because he has his 

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whole life in front of him and 
there will be potential 

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litigation ahead of him. 
And we've also blurred out his 

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supporter as well to preserve 
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confidentiality. 
So without further ado, let me 

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bring on screen for a very brief
introduction. 

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Saeed, thank you so much for 
agreeing to speak to UK column. 

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Would you like to just briefly 
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My name is Saeed and I am I was 
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course at a college within the 
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was threatened with Prevent for 
simply expressing the opinion in

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class that a transgender person 
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opposite sex bathroom because I 
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I don't have any hate towards 
any group or anyone, but I was 

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just expressing this opinion. 
I said in class the way I said 

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this. 
I said, I said, you know, can 

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anyone identify as any gender 
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The class was like, yeah, yeah, 
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And they said, OK and can anyone
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they want to use the bathroom or
the sex they identify with to to

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a response I received. 
Yes, yes, yes, of course, of 

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course. 
So when I said, OK, on that 

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note, I identify as a girl and I
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groups to which your class was 
like what? 

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You can't say that. 
You can't say that. 

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Eventually I was referred to to 
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of my colleague who said that it
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I said to her, I said, you know,
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I was just making a point about 
people using a different 

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bathroom for nefarious reasons. 
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case many times unfortunately. 
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is against the Equality Act. 
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read the Equality Act, it 
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anything about about people who 
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being able to use different 
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It specifically excludes that 
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Of course, this is for law. 
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that my faith is of the is of is
of the Christian faith. 

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And I I do not, you know, 
believe in certain agendas going

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on today. 
People are. 

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I said, you know, people are 
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own time. 
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part in this. 
You know no no disrespect to 

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anyone to which I was told that 
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I said you know this is very 
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discrimination And then I got 
told well I could have this 

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conversation with Prevent. 
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another member of staff. 
She was like some deputy in the 

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school and I was told by her to 
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an an apology. 
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apology and yeah, I was told to 
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happen. 
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an apology. 
I accepted, you know the apology

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and I thought I would move on 
with my life, studying very hard

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to get the grades I needed in my
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And then a month later, a 
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college to speak to me without 
notifying me in the first place.

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Saeed, I want to just stop you 
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to go into much more detail 
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really it it it's shocking what 
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the impact that it's had on on 
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But before I do, I just want to 
bring on screen. 

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James, you are one of the 
founder members of Students 

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Against Tyranny, and you've been
helping Saeed and supporting 

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him. 
But not only have you been 

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helping and supporting Saeed, 
you also help and support many 

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other students who are finding 
themselves isolated and censored

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for all sorts of different 
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Really grateful that you could 
join us today. 

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Welcome, and tell us a bit about
how you've been able to help 

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Saeed and also a bit more about 
Students Against Tyranny. 

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Thank you so much for having me 
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So I found Decisions Against 
Tyranny on the 5th of September,

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2021, and it was originally 
started as a kind of social 

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group for young people who 
didn't want to get vaccinated 

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because at the time a lot of 
them were facing societal 

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pressures. 
Would that be from the 

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government, from the media, from
their parents, from their 

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families, from the schools, 
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life? 
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pressured to get the jab and a 
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And so we understood that as 
students, you might feel quite 

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lonely and isolated in the sense
that all your friends are 

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getting it or your friends are 
pressuring you to get it. 

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And so we founded this 
organization as a social group 

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to bring like minded young 
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So they didn't feel so alone and
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And they could. 
I kind of have AI don't want to 

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use the term safe space, but it 
was a safe space for them to 

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have their own opinions without 
fears of repercussions or being 

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branded as a far right 
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So that's how it started. 
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into an activism movement of 
young people opposed to 

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institutionalized Marxism and 
the shutdown of free speech 

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within universities. 
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that Side Story isn't a new one.
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of phone calls every single week
from students and young people 

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who are being bullied, 
persecuted by the, by the 

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university establishment, by 
their friends, by Antifa for 

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having these so-called right 
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You know, the the extremist 
views that a man cannot, cannot 

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contain female genitals. 
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started. 
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current, we've been working on 
now for the past year of a a 

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young lad who's also anonymous, 
who goes by the name of John 

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Christian and like we don't have
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But it all started because he 
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response to that you have 
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You had students who were all 
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debate and then when he then 
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they would find something to be 
offended over and report him for

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it. 
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what was it they would 
engagement a debate about the 

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Irish abortion referendum. 
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what that means, it kind of 
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I think it was 2019. 
I think it was. 

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I'm not too sure on that. 
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started the debate and he 
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they still reported him for it 
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It ended up after five years of 
studying for his PhD, they 

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refused to assess his thesis, 
all because he had of the his 

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right wing conservative 
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And then you've got another 
person, James assess, who was 

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kicked off his course for 
stating there are only two 

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genders. 
You've got another one of our 

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friends who is also going to 
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being, who has been bullied and 
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around his university and forced
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They they bullied him so much 
he's had to leave all because he

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he he said that that transgender
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It's absolutely disgusting. 
But this isn't just at a this 

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isn't just being done by Antifa.
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institutional level where free 
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Marxist values are the ones that
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It really does sound as though 
debate has gone out of the 

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window. 
I thought that this was why 

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youngsters went to college, went
to university, in order to 

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debate, in order to throw around
different ideas, but that 

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obviously seems to have gone. 
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At this point, I want to 
introduce Dylan, because, Dylan,

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we've also blurred your identity
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Saeed's and you've been a great 
support and I know Saeed has 

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spoken to me independently and 
said how grateful he is to you 

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for your support. 
Dylan, how did how did this all 

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present to you? 
How did you get to find out 

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about it and what are your 
thoughts about what's happened 

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to Saeed? 
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beginning. 
I once met at Saeed in A and 

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outreach with who are associated
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He's a rapper in in the freedom 
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the jabs and lockdowns. 
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March back in April the 15th 
this year they were going on 

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about our cashless societies and
digital ID. 

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So I met him but I did know him 
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So we met in person and we 
discussed about what we know and

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and then there was another meet 
up and then he told me about his

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situations, how he got in 
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couldn't, shouldn't be that 
surprised how they kicked 

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outside for for saying about, 
for basically saying about 

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there's only two genders or that
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Maybe that's not going to be 
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in just basically in favor of 
truth, at least as a bare 

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minimum. 
But to know that how he got, how

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they've been handling this, 
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And obviously side is not going 
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going to be the last. 
There's going to be more who are

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going to be persecuted for such 
ideas. 

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Maybe not the same words that he
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And it's could possibly get even
more worse, unless we all do 

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something about it, at least in 
our own way, that would account 

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for something. 
Yeah, I think very, very wise, 

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wise words there, Dylan. 
And you know, we've only just 

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scraped the tip of the iceberg 
with Saeed's story because 

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Saeed, take us through a bit 
more of your story because it it

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gets worse, doesn't it? 
They originally apologized to 

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you, but it was conditional. 
You were asked to do certain 

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things, weren't you? 
Tell us a bit more about what 

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happened to you after you'd made
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So after that I thought, you 
know, panic over now the college

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has representative of the 
college has kind of, yeah, 

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unofficially apologised. 
I'm just going to go my way now.

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So I went my way and then about 
a month later, this parental 

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officer comes and the first 
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Really weirdly was. 
Well, well, I'll say what he 

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said first. 
He said, hello, I'm from 

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Prevent. 
There's no need to be worried. 

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I'm not going to go and take you
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Now Prevent is a scheme which 
blah blah blah. 

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And I thought, OK, right. 
And then he said something which

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really stuck with me and I 
thought, why would you associate

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this with with me? 
He said, Do you think there's a 

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Jewish conspiracy to take to 
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And I thought, what's a weird 
question to ask, you know, I 

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said no, I don't think, you 
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towards any ethnic group. 
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I simply just believe that 
someone of a certain sex 

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shouldn't be using the bathroom 
of an opposite gender for, you 

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know, nefarious reasons. 
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a lot these days. 
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he just said that. 
He just said that I should, you 

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know, change my opinions. 
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this. 
I know how to debate so. 

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But I was careful with what to 
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with Prevent, it all starts with
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here to hurt you. 
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bigger investigation. 
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these people. 
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I asked for his number, his 
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I I came into college and until 
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sudden I was forced to sign a 
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which said that I would. 
Promise not to say anything 

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offensive or irrelevant in class
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right to to deem what is 
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Of course I had this problems 
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coming away from the topic which
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world. 
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there was a statue of Tony Blair
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And I made a comment and I said,
you know, if if we've got a 

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statue of Tony Blair, who's in 
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who's done horrible things to 
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can we have a statue of Vladimir
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One invades Iraq, one invades 
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You know, with all due respect, 
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And um, I was told that, oh, you
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How dare you compare Iraq to 
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I thought, OK, right. 
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that's offensive comment and I 
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state media in my spare time. 
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Of Russia Today and. 
I was told, you know, but I 

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should sign it or else face 
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And when I tried to protest, I 
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meetings ended. 
You know, sign it or face 

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disciplinary action. 
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because I am a man of 
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I have principles. 
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happened a few weeks later was I
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A comment I made in banter which
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in banter towards young lady who
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happened to have a Jewish dad or
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Had had, you know, made several 
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actually posted what was 
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inappropriate images of people 
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account. 
I thought, you know, it was just

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some some banter which I've 
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it was a mistake I made, I 
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that it would go as far as it 
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been made. 
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weird now because what I thought
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reason has now turned into a 
political reason for suspending 

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me now bearing in mind these 
social media comments were made 

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in Snapchat and I actually 
apologise, you know, to like 

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schoolmates, right? 
And I had, you know, apologised 

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personally and it was, I thought
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little thing, teenagers doing 
Snapchat. 

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I didn't really think anything 
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for it to be reported, which I 
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Odd. 
I'll get I'll get to that a bit 

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in a minute because I think what
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more serious. 
So what happens next was I was 

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told, you know, that I was 
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after and the police 
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against. 
Me. 

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Before you know, for making, for
involved, for being involved in 

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a hate crime. 
They labeled it a hate crime and

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I was told I had to come to a 
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I came to a disciplinary meeting
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I I was told, you know, that I 
needed to. 

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Either engage fully with Prevent
or else you know, be summer 

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summarily dismissed from 
college. 

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And I thought, you know, this is
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You know this is just a an 
incident on Snapchat which has 

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been blown way out of 
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And I even stated myself that 
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accusations had actually goaded 
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banting in the 1st place and. 
Other things, sorry. 

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The other point was there was 
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disciplinary meeting which made 
me think that I wasn't being 

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done, you know, for 
anti-Semitism, which is what it 

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was called. 
But I was being accused of 

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other, you know, about my 
political views, my faith views 

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as well. 
And I was told I was asked 

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repeatedly at this meeting, do 
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law? 
Do you still think the Bible is 

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above the law? 
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because I know that's a loaded 
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I was also told about I yeah, I 
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But I I believe I'm a conspiracy
theorist and I I'm not properly 

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learning in class because I'm 
refusing to believe what the 

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teacher teaches and instead, you
know, forming my own opinions 

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based on what I read online. 
I was accused of, of many 

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things, which I'm actually kind 
of. 

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There's so many of it. 
I'm struggling to recount them 

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all because it was a very 
traumatising. 

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Event and then I. 
I realised, you know, the 

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direction the in the meeting was
going in, it was essentially, 

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you know, some the college 
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And I said at the end I said OK,
OK, I understand, you know, that

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there's, you know, you don't 
want me to have my own opinion 

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and I'm not allowed my opinion 
in college. 

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Why don't I stop, you know, 
speaking about my views in 

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college and I express my views 
outside of College in, I don't 

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know, with my friends or, you 
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which I thought was a fair 
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Or a certain person of the 
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said how dare you, how dare you 
have your own opinion after all 

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we've done for you, by trying to
force you to engage with 

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prevent, by trying, by even by 
letting you have a second chance

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here by, you know, suspending 
you and not immediately 

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expelling you. 
You know, how dare, how dare you

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have your own opinion. 
And these were her words, like 

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how this was quite shocking. 
And she said actually just for 

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thinking that you can privately 
think your Christian beliefs and

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your beliefs about so-called 
conspiracy theories. 

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Um, we're going to suspend you 
for another week and we're going

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to see what we're going to do 
with you then, You know, how 

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dare you think that privately? 
Not not express them in 

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classroom, Which, by the way, I 
think as long as it's done 

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respectfully, people have their 
right to do. 

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But express them in your own 
personal time. 

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I was quite upset about this 
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This is. 
This is just ludicrous. 

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Now, you know, like what? 
What am I? 

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I even forgot what I was in 
trouble for in the 1st place. 

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Was it something I said on 
Snapchat? 

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Was it just for being me, You 
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and I was actually told by the 
college that I was, that I was 

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to be expelled Because very 
simply I was told, you know, 

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that I would be expelled for for
lying to the college. 

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Because because apparently, you 
know, we spoke to this girl and 

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this girl said that she never 
spoke to me in the 1st place and

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it was on my own accord, which 
was a complete lie and I've got 

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evidence to prove that. 
But but anyway, that's another 

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story. 
I was also told that for 

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refusing to change my beliefs 
and therefore refusing to 

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meaningfully engage with a 
prevent course, OK, but I would 

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be expelled from college because
I refused to change my beliefs. 

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I said, you know, this is wrong,
this is freedom of thought. 

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And they they were like, Oh no, 
you know, your opinions are 

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disrupting other people's 
learning. 

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Your freedom of thought isn't 
reflective of the college values

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and is undermining us because, 
you know, we've we've given you 

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so many chances. 
You know, we tried. 

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We they, they actually thought 
they were being nice by making 

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me sign a contract and making 
forcing me to engage with 

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prevent, OK. 
They said, well, we're being 

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nice to you because we're trying
to get you to see the error of 

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your ways by doing that. 
And I thought they said how 

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could you be so ungrateful to 
us? 

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You know, this really reminds me
of what, you know, the Soviets 

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did, or what you know many 
regimes around the world would 

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do to to innocent people who 
protest against them. 

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You know, and this is happening 
in the UK. 

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So I protested and I said, you 
know, this isn't right. 

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Then a few days, then a day 
later, I got a formal e-mail to 

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say that you know it's you're 
being dismissed now for saying 

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these for for. 
Using, yeah, to change your 

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opinions and for a bunch of 
other things. 

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And the tone of the letter 
actually changed to say that, 

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well, we just don't think the 
college is the right place for 

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you. 
Because this is what if you look

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at the people who do, who you 
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crimes. 
They initially are very proud of

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their attacks, but then when 
they've realised that they're 

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getting criticism for it, they 
suddenly say Oh well, we never 

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did that in the 1st place or it 
wasn't like that. 

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Look look what the other person 
did. 

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This is exactly what my school 
has been doing to me. 

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They've been saying they've 
committed awful civil liberties 

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violations against. 
Me and are now claiming that, Oh

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well, you know, it just didn't 
work out for you at college, it 

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didn't work out for you here, 
and they actually sent quite a 

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patronising e-mail to say that. 
Oh, by the way. 

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We know we've scuppered all like
your life. 

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The tone of it was like, yeah, 
you know, we've scuppered all 

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like your life plans and 
everything now, but feel free to

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come and drop by college for a 
careers interview appointment, 

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which I thought was so 
patronising. 

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My mental health was really. 
At a low point here, I was even,

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you know, contemplating suicide 
based over what has happened to 

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me at college. 
And I was told, I was told, you 

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know, quite mockably by the 
college. 

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Why don't you just get a job? 
And I thought, this isn't, you 

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know, I had plans to further my 
education, you know, to to study

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a further education course and 
now this has happened, which is 

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absolutely disgraceful. 
Saeed, can I just jump in there 

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because I think it's really 
important that our audience 

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knows. 
I mean, they're they're hearing 

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it for themselves. 
And clearly you are a very 

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intelligent, articulate, 
measured young man. 

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And you're absolutely right when
you say, you know, this appears 

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to be thought crime, you're 
being punished for thought 

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crime. 
But I just want everybody to 

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understand that you were 
predicted A grades, weren't you?

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You mean, you know, you had big 
ambitions and you've just 

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suddenly you've been expelled 
and you've had to confront a 

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prevent officer that I'm 
presuming you weren't told was 

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going to come and visit you. 
What actually happened? 

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Were you in class? 
Were you suddenly summonsed or 

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how did you meet that Prevent 
officer and did you find out who

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the Prevent officer was? 
And let's remind our audience 

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that prevents are the the 
Prevent scheme. 

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The prevent system is to prevent
young people from becoming 

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radicalised. 
And it there they do an awful 

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lot of work with the Home 
Office, counter terrorism, 

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domestic terrorism if you want 
to to call it that and they look

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at extreme right wing views. 
So all of a sudden you're just 

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expressing an opinion, which is 
your whole right to do, and then

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you get a prevent officer. 
How did this, how did this 

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suddenly happen and how are you 
informed of this? 

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I wasn't informed. 
My parents got to call the day 

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before saying that a Prevent 
about not even a prevent 

449
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,840
officer, just someone by the 
name of so and so will come into

450
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,920
my college. 
And my parent, my dad, was 

451
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,680
obviously confused about this 
and he told me, oh, apparently 

452
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,640
you've got a meeting with so and
so at college. 

453
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,560
I thought, OK, I haven't heard 
that name before, maybe that's I

454
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,400
don't really know what that is. 
So I came in and risk. 

455
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,040
Prevent officer was fair and he 
introduced himself and. 

456
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,760
Yeah, but that's what happened. 
My main concern is, you know, I 

457
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,640
don't, I'm a law abiding 
citizen. 

458
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,320
I don't, you know, have 
involvement with, you know, the 

459
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,280
government, the police. 
I don't, you know, really 

460
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,800
understand why this has happened
to someone who's just expressed 

461
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,160
his, you know, Christian 
opinions at school. 

462
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,720
Eventually, just a bit more 
about prevent a few months later

463
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160
as a condition of. 
Coming back to college. 

464
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Because what the college did was
they kind of trapped me with 

465
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,560
making with forcing me to engage
with prevent and then suddenly 

466
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,960
drop pulling the pluck and 
saying, well, actually you can't

467
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,360
come back. 
So I've really wanted to go back

468
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,640
to college to finish off my 
courses. 

469
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,680
So I said yes, OK, I'll, I'll do
anything. 

470
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,800
I'll engage with Prevent 
despite, you know, begrudgingly.

471
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,400
But yeah, OK, if it means going 
back to college, you know, to 

472
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,640
get in my courses because I 
don't really have a choice. 

473
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,640
I was, yeah, forced. 
To do it so with this prevent 

474
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,240
guy he he actually came round to
my house and. 

475
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,480
The. 
Tone of the Because there was 

476
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,640
two meetings, the first meeting 
and the 2nd. 

477
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,080
One a few months later, the 
second meeting, the tone was 

478
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,040
very different. 
He could actually. 

479
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,120
He was visibly like. 
His manner was different. 

480
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,920
He wasn't so, you know, cocky 
and proud. 

481
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,080
And I think I'm better than you 
sort of person. 

482
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,360
He was quite apologetic and he 
said, you know, I'm very sorry 

483
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,920
to hear what's happened at your 
college. 

484
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,760
And he actually said that I'm 
not here to get you to change 

485
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,440
your opinions. 
I just want you to see the other

486
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,240
side of things. 
And he actually said that, you 

487
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,640
know, Prevent, his words were 
Prevent doesn't deal with 

488
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,120
conspiracy theories. 
People could have their 

489
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,800
opinions, people could go on 
protests, People could do all of

490
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,280
these things. 
We just want people to 

491
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,640
understand that there's a lot of
misinformation out there on on 

492
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,520
the Internet and just to 
research both sides before you 

493
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,400
come to an opinion. 
Now that's a far cry from, you 

494
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,120
know, saying, well, do you 
believe there's a Jewish 

495
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,560
conspiracy to run the world? 
But that's a bit of a far cry 

496
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,800
from it. 
And that kind of gave me the 

497
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,200
impression. 
That. 

498
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,440
There's been some 
misunderstanding maybe between 

499
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,760
my college prevent and the you 
know police or whoever and 

500
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,280
someone somewhere has messed up.
You know if preventer 

501
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,240
apologizing to you saying saying
that well we're very sorry for 

502
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,920
what's happened at your college.
I think I know, you know, the 

503
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,400
college has messed up big time. 
You know, prevent us saying that

504
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,440
something very nefarious and 
something very, I would say 

505
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,120
quite, quite evil has gone on 
behind the scenes for that to 

506
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,120
happen. 
And also, Saeed, I mean, I've 

507
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,520
got to come back to your mental 
health, because you've already 

508
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:45,240
said earlier on in the interview
that your mental health suffered

509
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,720
and that at some point you did 
feel suicidal. 

510
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,480
And that's extremely troubling. 
And thank goodness you're still 

511
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,960
here to to tell your story. 
But what tell us what kind of 

512
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,480
impact it has had on your mental
health and how it has affected 

513
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,480
you? 
And were you offered any support

514
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,840
at all while you were going 
through all of this? 

515
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,560
No support. 
I was offered no support at all 

516
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,640
by my place of education. 
I was offered no support. 

517
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,400
I was ridiculed. 
I was mocked. 

518
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:24,600
I was yeah, it was an awful time
for I I I was going through it 

519
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,240
for a lot back then, and it was 
a very dark time in my life. 

520
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,000
What kind of worried me the most
was how the college had took 

521
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,840
this upon themselves. 
To report it to the police, a 

522
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:43,120
simple exchange of messages 
between 2 classmates at school. 

523
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,040
You know to the to the police 
rather than dealing with it 

524
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,320
themselves and saying you know 
what I think you've you know 

525
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,080
offended so and so could you 
just apologise And I if that if 

526
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,000
that was all that it was of 
course I would have apologised. 

527
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,920
You know I take accountability 
for things that I I already you 

528
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,880
know, it was a domestic issue 
essentially between you know 

529
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,400
like 2 classmates and they made 
amends. 

530
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,280
You know domestically I 
apologise. 

531
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,200
They said I'm very, you know, 
sorry if I offended you. 

532
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800
And this was without me being 
forced to or anything. 

533
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,000
And for the college to blow that
up, you know, to the. 

534
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Police. 
Because let's be honest, we all 

535
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,640
have. 
Friends, we all, you know, have 

536
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,160
ups and downs in our 
friendships. 

537
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,440
We all, you know, have maybe 
said things which all maybe you 

538
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,360
shouldn't have said in 
hindsight, but to escalate it to

539
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,440
the police and actually I was, 
you contacted the ex police 

540
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,280
inspector from the Welsh police 
I believe, who actually 

541
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,120
expressed the outrage that this,
that simple comment of banter 

542
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,920
has been escalated you know, to 
the police when that just 

543
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,680
required a listen. 
Don't do that again sort of 

544
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,040
conversation. 
But in all fairness though, 

545
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,800
because I was very worried 
because I was, you know, I 

546
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,600
thought am I going to go to 
prison for this? 

547
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,960
You know, I was just a teenager 
and I had, I thought, you know, 

548
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,120
because apparently you can go to
prison for two years for sending

549
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,840
messages online these days. 
Of course, this is the way our 

550
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,520
country is, which is not right 
at all my opinion. 

551
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:27,400
But the police were actually, 
the police actually were quite 

552
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,159
understanding to have to say. 
They said they told they came to

553
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,880
my house and they specifically 
told me that we're not going to 

554
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,199
charge you with anything. 
They said that we could see, you

555
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,120
know, you've made a mistake and 
you know we're here to kind of 

556
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,560
listen to you and you know get 
your side of a story and which 

557
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,120
was really surprising. 
And they said we're we're not, 

558
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,760
you know, we're not going to 
charge you anything. 

559
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,440
We're just here to let you know 
that obviously this is what's 

560
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,880
happened and maybe think for you
send something like that online.

561
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,520
And I thought, OK, fair, fair 
enough. 

562
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,240
You know, that's obviously the 
police's decision and that's 

563
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,200
quite good of them, you know, 
despite everything which has 

564
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,160
gone on. 
But then the police actually 

565
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,040
said that it was a bad, you 
know, decision to not charge. 

566
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,880
And it was they've they've 
decided, you know, not to do 

567
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,320
that because I was so young that
that their words actually was 

568
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,480
this what would what what would,
you know, arresting you what 

569
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,640
would filing criminal charges 
against you do. 

570
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,520
They said all that's going to do
is further, you know, isolate 

571
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,400
you at a already, you know, 
quite difficult time for you, 

572
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,040
which I thought actually made a 
lot of sense. 

573
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,360
And it was quite, you know, 
shocking that the college didn't

574
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,280
think about as well at my 
college because the police 

575
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,560
actually made it quite clear to 
my colleague that nothing was 

576
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,560
going to happen. 
And this, you know, was, you 

577
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,240
know, the police involvement 
there was finished. 

578
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,360
The college was actually they 
were quite angry that the police

579
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,440
had just decided to leave it at 
that. 

580
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,360
And they, they were visibly 
quite. 

581
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,240
They wanted something to happen 
to me and of course the rule of 

582
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,880
law prevailed and they didn't 
get the reaction they were 

583
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,640
looking for. 
So the college, the college were

584
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,880
quite rude to me about it and 
just said, well you know you're 

585
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,280
expelled now because that's what
they do. 

586
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,120
You know when prevents, when you
know prevent has actually 

587
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,920
actually told them Because the 
story is quite complicated of 

588
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,680
the sense that it started with 
the college, you know, thinking 

589
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,560
oh, we can get Prevent on him, 
we could do what we want and it 

590
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,600
ended with the police and 
prevent actually saying, you 

591
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,840
know what, we're not involved 
now. 

592
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Sorry, this has gone too far. 
And you know, the college then 

593
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,120
took things into their own hands
and, you know, decided to expel 

594
00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,960
me. 
Which was quite. 

595
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,760
Horrible, but yeah. 
Said, You know, college. 

596
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,720
I went to nursing school, but 
many of my friends went to to 

597
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,400
college and university and it. 
It's a place not just to debate 

598
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,120
and to learn, but it's also a 
place to socialise and get to 

599
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,920
know your peer group and share 
interests and have fun, happy 

600
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,880
times. 
How did how did all of this 

601
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,880
impact on your peer group, on 
your friends that you'd been at 

602
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,560
college with? 
How did they treat you? 

603
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,880
And and indeed, are you still in
contact with your classmates? 

604
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,160
Or effectively when you were 
expelled, you kind of lost 

605
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,600
contact with your your peer 
group as well? 

606
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,320
I was very scared because I was 
at that. 

607
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Time I thought, You know all my 
I thought, OK, if a college are 

608
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,440
claiming to exit of course we 
know the real reason was for my 

609
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,280
beliefs. 
But if a college expel, if a 

610
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,520
college are expelling me and 
claiming that it's because of a 

611
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,680
message I sent online. 
I thought how many, you know, 

612
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,520
other messages have I, you know 
maybe sent online or how many 

613
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,440
other I guess you know photos 
sorry Instagram posts of 

614
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,080
political kind of background 
have I posted or political 

615
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,400
tweets which, you know, the 
college might get a hold of. 

616
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:20,200
And in one of the disciplinary 
meetings they actually accused 

617
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:26,960
me of talking about Andrew Tate 
which obviously I have no 

618
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,480
recollection really of of 
showing support for Andrew Tate.

619
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,920
And it was everything which kind
of I posted was getting back to 

620
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,080
them, which made me kind of come
to the conclusion that someone, 

621
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,960
some student at my school was 
essentially being a snitch and 

622
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,080
reporting things because, you 
know, they don't like me. 

623
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,200
And I was, I was very scared 
because I thought, you know, all

624
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,680
my friends turning on me, you 
know what's happening. 

625
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,680
But I so, so I had to make so, 
so I just made sure, you know 

626
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,760
maybe don't speak to as many 
people and only keep a few close

627
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,440
friends. 
Which looking back when it was 

628
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,600
probably the right thing to have
done in that climate. 

629
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,840
I've got. 
Yeah, I'm still in contact with 

630
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,680
a few close friends from the 
college. 

631
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,120
I remember quite I think quite 
fittingly at the end of all of 

632
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,040
this was the fact that the 
college likes to talk about 

633
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,320
diversity and inclusion. 
But of course, you know you 

634
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,560
don't include mehi kind of 
thing. 

635
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,880
But two Muslim boys who know 
that my religion is different 

636
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,240
from theirs. 
OK, who actually stuck with me 

637
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,080
throughout all of it, were 
always messaging me to support 

638
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,440
me. 
Always made it clear that 

639
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,120
they're my friends and you know,
they're they're going to support

640
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,000
me and actually made sure that, 
you know, I was alright 

641
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,240
throughout all of this. 
And if your college wants to 

642
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,360
talk about diversity and 
inclusion, then they should take

643
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,520
a page out of, you know, maybe 
veteran students, books who are 

644
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,440
putting aside, you know, their 
religion to go and help someone 

645
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,840
of opposites. 
You know religion. 

646
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,600
And I think that's quite, you 
know, ironic that all these big 

647
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,240
institutes which go on about, 
you know, wokism and inclusion 

648
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,720
and diversity actually doing the
opposite. 

649
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,720
And yeah, it's just something 
which it's yeah, I'd never 

650
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,000
forget, really. 
And I'd like to say thank you to

651
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,880
your two friends, your two 
Muslim friends as well for 

652
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,960
supporting you, because I think 
you shine a beacon of light into

653
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,760
how things should be done. 
We've talked about prevents a 

654
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,040
lot on UK column and how 
basically any one of us could 

655
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,680
end up with somebody at the door
just like you did. 

656
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,800
But explain to us how it 
escalated to the police, because

657
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,320
prevent officers, as we're as 
far as we're aware, can be 

658
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,480
anybody from a local authority 
official to a health official to

659
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,440
a professional. 
So when did this jump from 

660
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,720
prevent to all of a sudden you 
ended up what did you did you 

661
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,040
open the door and the police 
were suddenly at the door? 

662
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,280
Prevent was initially 
essentially dealing with my 

663
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:22,360
controversial opinions and I 
told them point blank, you know 

664
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,120
I'm not interested, but. 
How it kind of escalated to the 

665
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,560
police was, to be honest, it was
a bit of my fault. 

666
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,000
But the college tried to report 
me for a hate crime to the 

667
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,720
police. 
And the police, you know, made 

668
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,960
an investigation based on purely
based on, you know, that message

669
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,440
I sent online. 
And their conclusion was, you 

670
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,520
know, no further action. 
And this, this wasn't, you know,

671
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,360
like their place to or this 
wasn't, you know, I guess kind 

672
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,200
of this wasn't because it wasn't
like a big enough offence from 

673
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,760
what I got told and everything. 
This wasn't a big enough offence

674
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,800
to, you know, make a arrest or 
anything. 

675
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,000
And it was very quick within two
weeks. 

676
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,640
But it took two weeks for them 
to contact me. 

677
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,600
And the only contact I had with 
the police was a knock on my 

678
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,600
door to say, you know, are you 
aware there's been this 

679
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,360
investigation which your college
has reported? 

680
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,400
We just want to get your side on
it and then it within about an 

681
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,480
hour. 
They said yeah, it's quite clear

682
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,280
that this was just a simple you 
know, teenage and this is our 

683
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,080
opinion on it. 
Just try. 

684
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,080
Just try not to, you know, try 
not to say anything. 

685
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,400
I guess anti-Semitic or like, 
like that online, which it was 

686
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,200
referred to as. 
But yeah, but what was quite 

687
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,320
interesting about all of it was 
the girl who complained to her 

688
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:01,400
college, her dad was running for
a political role from the 

689
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Conservative Party to be the 
local member of Parliament. 

690
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,120
Sorry, the the local councillor.
Sorry, the local councillor and 

691
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,480
Conservative councillor and this
reasons were happening right as 

692
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,680
I got suspended, which I thought
was quite weird, and looking 

693
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,720
into it, they actually had. 
Ties with the. 

694
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,480
Defence Ministry and the Israeli
government, because they were a 

695
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,640
contractor for the Israeli 
government as well, which I 

696
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,960
thought was very suspicious as 
well, yeah. 

697
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,720
Wow. 
I mean, it's just a whole wow 

698
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:41,160
story, isn't it, James, let's 
come to you because this is 

699
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,480
obviously taken a huge toll. 
And even though Saeed said, you 

700
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,200
know, it was fairly quick with 
the police, it was only a couple

701
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,720
of weeks. 
I mean that for anybody, let 

702
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:56,520
alone a young man who's studying
at college and just wants to get

703
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,600
on with his life, that must do 
extraordinary things to your 

704
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,000
mental health. 
And I mean, how many people are 

705
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,440
you seeing coming through your 
organization, Students Against 

706
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,240
Tyranny? 
I mean, I would like to think 

707
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,800
not many, but I've got a 
horrible feeling you're going to

708
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,960
say it's quite a few, but how 
are you coping with all these 

709
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,520
people? 
It's quite a few, yeah. 

710
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,040
There's there's a lot of them. 
I think universities, I think 

711
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,320
everyone these days, they love 
diversity, but they don't like 

712
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,280
diversity of opinion. 
That's the one. 

713
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,640
That's the one type of diversity
everyone seems to hate is the 

714
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,760
diversity of opinion and free 
thoughts. 

715
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,680
As you mentioned earlier, right?
Universities used to be bastions

716
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,880
of free speech, a marketplace of
ideas where you would go to 

717
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,480
discover new concepts, new 
ideologies. 

718
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,240
Whereas these days it's the 
complete opposite. 

719
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,600
You go, you walk around the 
freshest fair and all you see 

720
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,600
are left wing societies. 
You know, like for example, 

721
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,720
Bradford student union. 
They have an Afghanistan society

722
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,360
and LGBTQ society and Islam 
society. 

723
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,360
Um, they have all these 
societies, but they don't have a

724
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,480
debate in society, a free speech
society, a conservative society,

725
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,960
a UKIP society. 
They have nothing on the right 

726
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,840
wing of things, Nothing at all. 
Um, and that it. 

727
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,720
And that seems to be a growing 
theme among every single 

728
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,440
university. 
There was an incident recently 

729
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,880
at Bristol University, which is 
now banned, the national anthem.

730
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,040
You're not allowed to sing the 
national anthem anymore. 

731
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,120
And what else did they do before
that? 

732
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,800
They actually banned the army 
from promoting themselves on 

733
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,840
campus. 
The army wasn't allowed to be 

734
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,920
there either. 
Yet you can have all of these 

735
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:41,640
left very left wing societies 
which promotes diversity and 

736
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,040
inclusion and all of that. 
So it seems you can have, you 

737
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:50,640
can have any opinion as long as 
it goes with the the status quo 

738
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,080
and the the the concerning part 
of this is because a lot of 

739
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,200
people they'll be asking 
themselves, well how does this 

740
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,520
concern me? 
Well, if you look at any 

741
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,880
communist regime and and so he's
mentioned them earlier. 

742
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,520
If you look at the Khmer Rouge, 
Mao's Cultural Revolution, the 

743
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,720
Bolshevik Revolution, the 
Vietnamese Revolution, every 

744
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:10,520
single Marx inspired revolution 
of the proletariat, they always 

745
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,160
utilize the work of the 
students, primarily through 

746
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,240
ideological subversions. 
You know the the demoralization 

747
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:21,880
of the West. 
But every single communist 

748
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,040
regime throughout history, and 
that's no exaggeration. 

749
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Every single one of them 
utilized students to their 

750
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,920
advantage. 
And the concerning part is, is 

751
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,000
that's how they started, right. 
So if that, if that, if that's 

752
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,760
how they started in, I don't 
know, in the Bolshevik 

753
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,760
revolution in in Russia or the 
mass cultural revolution in 

754
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,120
China, which both were equally 
responsible for millions and 

755
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,360
millions of deaths then and and 
that's now being done in the UK 

756
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,800
that should be concerned to 
everyone. 

757
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,640
That's what's happening right 
now was a communist style 

758
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,720
revolution that is aiming to 
implement a dictatorship of the 

759
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:02,840
bourgeois. 
So that's what we're seeing 

760
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,360
right now and that's why I think
the the kind of shutdown of free

761
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,320
speech is orientating. 
I think it's we're we're heading

762
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,440
down a very scary path of of 
communism, fascism, you know 

763
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,960
fascist utopia. 
And the only way we can stop 

764
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,400
this is by reverting 
universities to how they used to

765
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,080
be. 
I think it was it was quite 

766
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,640
normal back in the day for a 
young person to go to 

767
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,760
university, become a socialist 
and then come out of university,

768
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,040
get a job and then become anti 
socialist because they realise 

769
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,200
that the money they earn that 
they want to keep, right, That 

770
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,600
was that was normal back in the 
day. 

771
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,040
But these days I don't think 
anyone's growing out of it 

772
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,440
because people aren't being 
given reality checks. 

773
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,360
Everyone is is pussyfooting 
around and stepping on egg 

774
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
shells around these people, 
never giving them a real a 

775
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,960
reality check of what life is 
actually about. 

776
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,240
And we see this with and we see 
this with. 

777
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,760
Was it transgenders entering 
women's bathrooms? 

778
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,160
No one's stepping. 
No, like people these days, as 

779
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,600
much as everyone disagrees with 
it, no one, no one's really 

780
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,760
stands it up against it. 
I mean, yeah, you get the odd, 

781
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,480
the occasional person who will 
speak out against it, but the 

782
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,520
majority of people are very 
silent on the issue. 

783
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,760
And that's the the, the most 
concerning part even, you know, 

784
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,480
the the founder of the original 
Students Against Tyranny and 

785
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,040
Nazi Germany, what was the name 
Sophie Schultz. 

786
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,480
She founded a group called the 
White Rose. 

787
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,240
And even she said the the that 
real harm is not done by the 

788
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:30,720
Nazis. 
It's done by the people who know

789
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:32,800
what's going on. 
But refused to say anything. 

790
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,320
That's who's doing the real harm
and that's who's doing the real 

791
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,600
harm right now as well. 
And you know, talking about 

792
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,720
Prevent, so Prevent was prevent 
was part of something called the

793
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,440
contest strategy. 
The contest was set up was a 

794
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,480
strategy introduced in 2003 in 
response to 911. 

795
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:52,880
And it's, it's what is it, It's 
the four PS, right. 

796
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,960
So you have Prevent, pursue, 
protect and prepare. 

797
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,080
And it was set up by Sir David 
Ohmand, I think his name was. 

798
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:06,920
And the alleged aim of the the, 
the, the strategy was to, well, 

799
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,480
the Prevent. 
Part of the strategy was to 

800
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,280
identify and address the 
ideological causes of 

801
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,920
radicalisation. 
They weren't just meant to focus

802
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,280
on far right extremism. 
The main other thing they were 

803
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,840
meant to focus on is Islamic 
extremism as well. 

804
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,560
Now if you look at the figures, 
I believe it's like 46% of 

805
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:29,440
Prevent referrals are far right 
extremists, right for far right 

806
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:35,120
extremism extremist opinions and
22% for Islamic extremism, 22% 

807
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,760
for Islamic extremism. 
You look at the figures online 

808
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,920
from the Home Office for 
anything, Islamic extremism is 

809
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,080
arguably a much bigger issue 
than far right extremism. 

810
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,040
I'm not saying that far right 
extremism isn't an issue. 

811
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Of course it is right. 
Like any other form of 

812
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,240
radicalization extremism, that 
is an issue that needs to be 

813
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,680
addressed and looked into. 
Yes. 

814
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,760
But how come the majority of 
Prevent referrals and the 

815
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,720
majority of prevents work is 
done on far right extremism, far

816
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,280
right opinions when those 
opinions most of the time are 

817
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,880
just oh there are only two 
genders like that's an extremist

818
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,480
view to have. 
How come the majority of 

819
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,360
prevents investigations are into
that but not Islamic extremism 

820
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,000
when if you look into it, 
Islamic extremism is a much 

821
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,880
bigger threat to the West than 
far right extremism ever is 

822
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,560
never was. 
It's just never never made any 

823
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,960
sense to me why that's the case.
So he's a very brave lad. 

824
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,600
So we do massively appreciate 
him coming to us and 

825
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,800
unfortunately we our time is so 
stretched with so, so many other

826
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:39,120
issues that are going on and we 
don't have the funding to to be 

827
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,360
on all of this constantly 
because we have, we have to have

828
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,480
jobs and all of that as well. 
You know I've been kicked out of

829
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:50,080
university so we all have to 
have, we all have to fund this 

830
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,960
ourselves. 
So it becomes very expensive. 

831
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,760
Me and Dylan actually went to 
visit Saeed recently at his 

832
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,680
college and we handed out 
leaflets to I think the majority

833
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,880
of students there, which was 
absolutely fantastic. 

834
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,640
I mean a few threw them on the 
floor is to be expected, but we 

835
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,600
it was, it was, it was an 
absolutely great day. 

836
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,440
I think Piers Corbyn came down 
as well and a few others as 

837
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,720
well. 
So it was an absolutely 

838
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:17,040
fantastic day and we did a lot 
of outreach to young people, 

839
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,480
which is what we're trying to do
with outreach. 

840
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,640
So if you do want to join 
Students Against Tyranny, which 

841
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,080
you can do for free, it's 
Students Against 

842
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:28,240
tyranny.com/join Aware. 
You can join myself, Saeed, 

843
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,880
Dylan and all the other students
that we've got in our ranks and 

844
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,560
fight back against what is going
on on campus. 

845
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,520
James, this is wonderful to hear
that your organization is out 

846
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,120
there for students, and I really
want this message. 

847
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,880
You know, for people that are 
watching this, please send to If

848
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:52,760
you've got family members at uni
or at college, please send this 

849
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,160
video to them. 
Because I'm guessing, James, I'm

850
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:02,880
going to ask you specifically 
actually about how isolated some

851
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,960
students must be feeling at the 
moment. 

852
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,400
I mean, listening to Saeed, to 
be quite honest with you, if I 

853
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,360
had gone through something like 
that or one of my sons, I have 

854
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,560
four sons. 
If one of my sons had gone 

855
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,720
through something like that, I 
can't imagine the mental trauma 

856
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,200
going forward because you're 
always watching what you're 

857
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,160
saying or got to be careful what
you put online start to feel 

858
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,680
maybe slightly concerned that 
anything that you could say 

859
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,320
could be taken in the wrong way.
I mean, how is this affecting 

860
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,960
students? 
I mean, you're obviously not 

861
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,040
able to help with regards to 
mental health. 

862
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,600
How are you? 
Are you able to refer students 

863
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,440
for some mental health support 
or to for any psychological 

864
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,360
support at all? 
Or are they literally on their 

865
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,720
own? 
The issue is that there's not an

866
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:01,400
organization that I found that I
particularly trust in terms of 

867
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,720
mental health. 
You know, there are 

868
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,320
organisations that exist like 
CAMS, but the problem is if you 

869
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,720
have these wrong opinions, 
they're going to tell you 

870
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,200
they're wrong opinions. 
So I don't think there's any 

871
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,200
organization that we've trusted 
enough that we're willing to 

872
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,720
work with in terms of mental 
health. 

873
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,120
But I'll tell you the story of, 
like, there's a young lad we've 

874
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,880
been working with in in London 
who goes to a liberal arts 

875
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,200
college. 
These two know who he is and he 

876
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,520
he called me like I think he was
only at university for a week 

877
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,400
and he called me because 
apparently it'd been leaked who 

878
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,240
he was or something leaked, you 
know, everyone knew who what his

879
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:41,680
opinions were. 
They're making it. 

880
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,040
They were turning him into a 
meme. 

881
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,240
He was getting messages all the 
time. 

882
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:47,200
He has. 
I think he had a few death 

883
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,880
threats from Antifa as well. 
And he said he never felt so 

884
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,360
alone in his student 
accommodation where he lived. 

885
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,720
There were again members of 
Antifa there as well, literally 

886
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,680
living next door to him, and he 
just he was made to feel like an

887
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,760
outcast. 
He was completely persecuted and

888
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,480
bullied for having these 
conservative viewpoints. 

889
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,120
He's actually left university 
now because he just, he said 

890
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,360
they never felt so alone now 
that during this time he 

891
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:24,000
actually had a message of one of
our other friends who who 

892
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,040
claimed to be working with, who 
claimed to be working with the 

893
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,880
kind of teachers at the 
university. 

894
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,280
And this person had been in 
contact with us for a while and 

895
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,960
was letting us know, Oh yeah, 
someone's actually reported this

896
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:41,800
guy for saying that all LGBTQ 
people are Paedos, which is 

897
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,640
something you never said, right.
But we later found out that the 

898
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,240
guy who told us this is actually
a member of Antifa who 

899
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:48,800
infiltrated students against 
tyranny. 

900
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,360
So we actually have a lot of 
messages all the time of young 

901
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,600
people who are feeling quite 
lonely and depressed over 

902
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,680
feeling like they have so-called
wrong opinions. 

903
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,440
And it's definitely not on. 
It's a massive issue. 

904
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,360
I mean, everyone wants to talk 
about mental Health Awareness 

905
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,800
Week and mental health. 
There's mental health that. 

906
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,960
So, you know, I've got bipolar 
disorder. 

907
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,600
And, you know, they like, 
there's videos online of, like, 

908
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,840
women listen like 7 different, 
was it 7 different mental health

909
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,320
disorders that they've 
apparently got? 

910
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,880
Like, they're like listening 
them like they're a superhero, 

911
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,040
Do you know what I mean? 
And that's something we see a 

912
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,440
lot at the moment, is this very,
very victim mentality where it's

913
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,000
popular to have these mental 
health issues, but then someone 

914
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,560
who does actually have it. 
That's caused by the far left. 

915
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,840
And for some reason no one, no 
one wants to talk about it. 

916
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,600
But unfortunately it's a very 
big issue among campuses where 

917
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,360
universities are where students 
are being bullied for having 

918
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:57,600
these opinions. 
And I mean what what one day 

919
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:02,160
someone does actually decide to 
commit suicide because they've 

920
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,880
been, because they've had their 
university taken from them, 

921
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,560
which in terms has their job 
taken, which in terms stops them

922
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,360
and limits them from getting a 
job in the future. 

923
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,280
You know these these are 
questions that needs to be 

924
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:17,600
asked, and unfortunately no 
one's asking them if that makes 

925
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,680
sense. 
James Our audience watching now,

926
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:27,320
our viewers, What can they do? 
What would you like us to do to 

927
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,000
help you, or to help your cause,
or to help students? 

928
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,560
What's your big message for 
people like me watching? 

929
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,160
Firstly, there's something that 
I don't think a lot of people 

930
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,360
are aware of, and they should 
be. 

931
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,280
There is something in the UK 
called Confucius Institutes. 

932
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,520
Now, if you don't know what a 
Confucius Institute is, it's 

933
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,480
pretty much a it's a language 
and culture centre for for China

934
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,120
here in the UK. 
And they are partnered with the 

935
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,720
majority of universities, right.
If you look into your nearest 

936
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,720
university, the chances are will
be paired with a Chinese 

937
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,000
university as well as Confucius 
Institute. 

938
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,680
Now the problem with a lot of 
these Confucius Institutes is 

939
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:07,480
they're actually they they have 
the leaders of these Confucius 

940
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,960
Institutes are paired with 
something called the United 

941
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,440
Front Work Department, which is,
which is overseen and is a part 

942
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,360
of the Chinese Communist Party 
propaganda Centre. 

943
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,880
Yeah, so you've got universities
that are literally, indirectly 

944
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,800
paired with propaganda centers 
within China, right? 

945
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,760
So you've got all of these 
things happening and no one is 

946
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,000
aware of them. 
So firstly, what I'm going to 

947
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,360
suggest that you do is look into
these Confucius Institutes, look

948
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,120
into how alarming they are, 
right. 

949
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,400
And I've been banned from 
Twitter now. 

950
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,360
So if you can give us a follow 
on telegram since against 

951
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,560
tyranny official, we are trying 
to bring out the message to as 

952
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,520
many people as possible. 
What is going on in these 

953
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,480
universities? 
You've got universities left, 

954
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,240
right and centre that are 
banning and removing Tibetan 

955
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,280
societies and free speech 
societies. 

956
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,400
You've got universities that are
paired with Chinese universities

957
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,720
who are also paired with 
Confucius Institutes, which are 

958
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,280
overseen by the China by 
propaganda centres within China.

959
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,320
You've got, you've got the 
Marxism Festival, socialist 

960
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,880
ideas being held at SOAS, 
University of London of London, 

961
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,840
which also promotes Cultural 
Marxism, which is where they're 

962
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,240
trying to erode the culture in 
the West in order to revert 

963
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,880
people back to their inherent 
class values. 

964
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,000
That's that's how Cultural 
Marxism was founded. 

965
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,760
So you've got all of these 
issues, just look into it and 

966
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,200
just research it. 
Spread to the message as much as

967
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,560
you can. 
Let people know what is going 

968
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,400
on. 
And also if you can, there's a 

969
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:45,640
new university free speech TSR 
as well called Araf Ahmed and 

970
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:50,880
his job is as part of the So he 
his job was created as part of 

971
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,480
the higher education freedom of 
speech Bill that recently 

972
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,400
passed. 
Send him a letter. 

973
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,240
If you can send him a letter or 
an e-mail, just send him a 

974
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,360
letter or an e-mail on side's 
behalf letting them know that 

975
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,800
you're not happy with, with what
has been going on in these 

976
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,400
universities with free speech 
not being upheld, with students 

977
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,720
being bullied, with having their
education taken from them being 

978
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,320
referred to prevent for 
absolutely no reason. 

979
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:21,800
Just let him know. 
Right. 

980
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,360
And the more emails he gets, the
more letters he gets. 

981
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,360
I mean I've requested a meeting 
with him and he hasn't 

982
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,040
responded. 
The more emails and letters he 

983
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,600
gets, the more the higher chance
there is of him actually doing 

984
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,560
something. 
I mean they have the they have 

985
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,640
the power to now their higher 
education, freedom of speech. 

986
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,080
Bill enables them the power to 
do something about this and they

987
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,000
still aren't. 
So yeah, just send him a letter.

988
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:45,720
Researchers give us a follow on 
Telegram and yeah, just please 

989
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,800
help us support. 
Thank you so much for that, 

990
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,920
James. 
And I think for our viewers, 

991
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,560
because obviously we've changed 
the name of this young gentleman

992
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,480
to Saeed. 
When you write, if you could 

993
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,840
just say that this is the young 
gentleman that you've seen on UK

994
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,280
column. 
Then that will be sufficient And

995
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,560
I think that that's a great 
thing to do. 

996
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,600
And I think the other thing too.
And I know we don't want to talk

997
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,160
about money because it's never 
good to talk about money. 

998
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:18,120
But students against tyranny 
have got a donate page and we'll

999
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,480
make sure that the link of of 
that is in the article beneath. 

1000
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:29,440
So before I go to to Dylan, let 
me just finish for a minute side

1001
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,800
with one last question for you, 
because I think everybody's 

1002
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,440
going to be asking where are you
now? 

1003
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,280
You know, you've been kicked out
of college, presumably your 

1004
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:45,440
education has dissipated. 
Can you continue to study can is

1005
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,320
your how is your life 
progressing forward? 

1006
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,840
Do you still have the ambitions 
that you did have before you got

1007
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,520
expelled? 
I have managed to seek 

1008
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:04,240
alternative education. 
However, that has come with a 

1009
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,400
massive cost because I have had 
to. 

1010
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,520
I've had to seek, you know, like
private exams and things. 

1011
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:20,720
That has come with a cost of 
about about 12,000 lbs. 

1012
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,240
When you count in private 
tutoring and everything about, 

1013
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:34,160
that's about 12,000 lbs. 
I hope to be at university in 

1014
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:42,480
the next few years, hopefully 
and by then I hope I'll be on 

1015
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,040
the course which I want to do, 
hopefully to study law. 

1016
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:53,880
And I hope, yeah, this will be 
my education, you know, for the 

1017
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,160
for the future. 
I yeah, that's all I can really 

1018
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,880
say about that. 
For sure from me, and I know 

1019
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,360
many people that are watching 
and and viewing now, well wants 

1020
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:11,560
a thank you for standing up and 
standing out and speaking up 

1021
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:16,320
against all of this because 
you're young and your whole 

1022
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,440
life's ahead of you. 
And so we understand that 

1023
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,840
anything that you say could 
jeopardise the rest of your life

1024
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,360
and we wish you luck and love 
moving forwards. 

1025
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,280
And we're so grateful to your 
friend Dylan, who we're going to

1026
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,240
come to now, and to also James 
and Students Against Tyranny, 

1027
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,920
for supporting you through this 
absolute nightmare. 

1028
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,520
Dylan, can we throw to you for 
your last word? 

1029
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,040
Because you've witnessed this, 
you've watched what Saeed has 

1030
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,080
had to go through, you've worked
with Students against tyranny 

1031
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,720
and you're seeing a lot more 
going on around you. 

1032
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,240
What would be your last word to 
people watching? 

1033
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,880
I would say for those who are 
watching is that if you do know 

1034
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:09,040
any young people who are, are 
feeling isolated for the things 

1035
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,360
that they know, whether it's 
just against being against the 

1036
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:17,200
narrative or other things that 
we know are part of the Cabal or

1037
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,040
New World Order agendas. 
Really. 

1038
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,880
I'd say introduce them to 
Students Against Tyranny and 

1039
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,720
Youth for Freedom UK. 
Because that is probably the 

1040
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:32,680
most ideal thing to do to 
support those who are aged 18 to

1041
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,840
30, whether you're a student or 
not. 

1042
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,920
Because we need unity more than 
to give them such confidence and

1043
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,080
to, you know, make sure they 
don't feel afraid to be 

1044
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,760
themselves, which clearly, well,
the status quo will not allow 

1045
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,160
them to. 
But we can still be there as a 

1046
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:00,360
rock, if you will, their support
and we hope if we can also work 

1047
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,800
together to stand up against all
of this. 

1048
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,520
We thank you for that. 
And I'm going to come to you, 

1049
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:12,200
Saeed, for your last word. 
What would you like, whoever to 

1050
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,400
hear? 
Your peer group, the government?

1051
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,240
The education establishment? 
What are your last words to 

1052
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,840
those of our audience that are 
listening? 

1053
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:25,000
I just want everyone to know 
about this can't happen again. 

1054
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,240
You can disagree with someone. 
You might not want to be friends

1055
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:30,800
with someone because of their 
opinions. 

1056
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,160
You might want to call them 
names, whatever. 

1057
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,520
Fine, you've got a right to 
disagree. 

1058
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,600
But when it becomes a problem, 
it's when it is state sanctioned

1059
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:44,760
persecution. 
You have not got a right to 

1060
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,440
expel someone based on their 
beliefs based on their private 

1061
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,720
thoughts. 
That's a violation of the human 

1062
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:57,960
rights, and I will call people 
out on it when I see it, because

1063
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,520
a violation of human rights in 
terms of freedom of thought and 

1064
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,720
freedom of education is not 
acceptable at all. 

1065
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:16,560
And my last word would be this. 
I I might not, I might not agree

1066
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,760
with everything someone has to 
say, but I will die for their 

1067
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,240
right to be able to say it. 
Thank you. 

1068
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:27,400
Bravo and James for all of 
these, all of our wonderful 

1069
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,560
students all over the country. 
Your last words for them. 

1070
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,520
All I have to say is don't be 
afraid. 

1071
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:41,680
Don't let them bully you at the 
end of the day, and this goes to

1072
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,200
the the people who don't agree 
with what I have to say here as 

1073
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,640
well. 
You're going to go through life 

1074
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:51,360
not agreeing with everyone, and 
that's something you need to get

1075
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,120
used to. 
You may sit here now and cry 

1076
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,080
over again, misgendered over 
someone using your wrong 

1077
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,880
pronouns, but you are going to 
go through life when you went to

1078
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:05,480
the workforce dealing with 
people who disagree with you, 

1079
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,280
who you don't like, that's just 
a fact of life. 

1080
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,120
To then run around calling for 
their free speech to be 

1081
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:18,760
cancelled, for their voice to be
silenced, for them to be fired 

1082
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,560
from their their jobs just 
purely because you disagree with

1083
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:28,280
them is disgraceful. 
And one day you will get that 

1084
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,960
reality check that not 
everything is going to go your 

1085
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,440
way. 
But to the students who do agree

1086
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,920
with us here, don't be afraid. 
Don't let them bully you into 

1087
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,520
submission into shutting up. 
Your voice matters, especially 

1088
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:46,880
here at Students Against 
Tyranny. 

1089
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:53,680
The more of us that stand up and
speak out against what is going 

1090
01:06:53,680 --> 01:07:01,720
on, the likelihood decreases of 
them being able to continue down

1091
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:06,200
the path we are headed, As Saeed
said as well, you may not like 

1092
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,040
what someone says, but you 
should defend their right to say

1093
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:09,280
it.