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Good afternoon, it's Friday the 
29th of August 2025, just after 

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1:00. 
Welcome to UK Column News. 

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I'm your host Mike Rumson and my
Co host this week in the studio 

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is Patrick Hennigsen. 
Welcome to the programme, 

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Patrick. 
To be with you, Mike. 

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Now, later in the programme, I'm
going to be reporting on TV in 

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Washington. 
More on censorship and the 

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announcement of a chicken pox 
vaccine. 

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Patrick who's going to be 
covering the Iran nuclear issue 

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and Trumps attempts to make 
burning the US flag illegal? 

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But we're going to begin today 
with Russias attacks on Kiev. 

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Patrick. 
Well, the last 24 hours of 

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Russia has hit Ukraine 
incredibly hard. 

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We'll take a look at this story 
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shape really how things are 
playing out with the 

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negotiations with Russia, with 
Europe, with Trump as well. 

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So Russia's pounding targets in 
Kiev, and we're going to take a 

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look at this. 
This is the second biggest 

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aerial attack since the start of
the conflict. 

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This is what they're saying 
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Let's look at what the Ukrainian
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drone attack. 
Ukraine claims Russia's 

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unleashed 629 strikes comprising
of 598 drones and 31 missiles. 

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Russia MOD saying it's struck 
military industrial complex 

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enterprises and military air 
bases in Ukraine using high 

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precision weapons. 
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find much interesting here, 
Mike, is that Russia's now 

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flying is, according to allies 
of NATO, Russia's flying 

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surveillance drones over routes 
the US and the Europeans are 

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using to ship military supplies 
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Poland as well, and the other 
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this new Iron Curtain. 
So that's pretty interesting. 

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Absolutely. 
Now that very much the narrative

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is that Russia was attacking 
civilian targets. 

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I mean, what's your thoughts on 
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and the United States? 
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Zelensky himself. 
Let's let's look at Zelensky's 

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reaction actually on that, on 
that note, Mike, here he is 

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obviously he is moved quickly to
change costumes from Washington.

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He's in his war green here, his 
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This is the acting president. 
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acting president because he is 
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trying to anyway. 
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president. 
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year. 
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elected Zelensky. 
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Ballistics instead of negotiate 
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It chooses to continue killing 
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And this means that Russia still
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So he uses the alliteration. 
This Netanyahu style 

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alliteration. 
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that Great public relations 
speech by Zelensky as usual. 

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And here Zelensky has sent his 
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country's Security Council to 
meet with Trump's team in New 

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to discuss security guarantees 
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agreement. 
Well, I got news, bad news for 

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Zelensky, Mike. 
There's going to be no security 

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guarantees at all. 
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be front loading. 
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want to front load negotiations 
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It's what Zelensky keeps doing 
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Western press keeps saying. 
But that's not what was agreed 

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in Alaska. 
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anywhere well. 
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What was agreed in Alaska was 
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Well, the at least it was 
established that there would be 

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a, a negotiated settlement 1st 
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after that and that security 
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after that. 
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signing point of any agreement. 
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from that. 
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with the interim steps, which 
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And, and so this is how the 
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course, is, is portraying these 
this Russian attack Putin's 

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accused of sabotaging peace 
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building hit in massive assault 
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More on that in a moment. 
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We'll, we'll talk more about 
that in a moment here. 

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But in terms of like sabotaging 
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seven days ago, Ukraine hit a 
oil pipeline that supplies 

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energy from Russia to Hungary 
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But it's a transit pipeline goes
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And I'll bet you that the 
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fees from that Russian oil and 
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for those transit fees because 
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the midst of the war. 
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reasons. 
Hitting this pipeline was done 

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to basically sabotage what was 
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and and Russia, and also to, I 
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Europe. 
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rule tactic by the handlers of 
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Who are the handlers? 
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you've got the Germans and 
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European actors behind the 
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the Ukrainians on probably are 
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involved in all of that. 
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Europeans, creating the Central 
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It seems to not be with the 
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Russian. 
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something that will show 
briefly, but Hungary's foreign 

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minister is saying that this 
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pipeline, this infrastructure, 
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Hungary into the war. 
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Hungarians are looking at this 
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So not only that Mike, but 
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Hungarians in Ukraine. 
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But there's there's Hungarians, 
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they're not being treated very 
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Plus this conscription, there's 
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conscripted at higher rates 
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Ukrainians, for instance. 
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basically Hungarian issue or a 
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So this is a real emotional 
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And I know having been to 
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was a very important issue that 
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brought up to some of the 
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with at that time. 
So this is a serious issue. 

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They really think that Ukraine 
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here to try to create another 
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the focus off of what they 
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winding this conflict down here.
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here. 
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Hungarian foreign minister here,
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basically saying that Zelensky 
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holiday to threaten Hungary. 
We firmly reject his 

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intimidation. 
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territorial integrity, including
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fundamental values of 
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So, and here is the Ukrainian 
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this. 
I will reply in a Hungarian 

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manner. 
So totally condescending, 

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slightly racist. 
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to tell the Ukrainian president 
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the president of Ukraine, not 
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Hunger, Hungary's energy 
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Diversify and become independent
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Europe. 
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So the, the, they're, they're 
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adversaries here. 
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what we'll talk about the 
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membership later, Mike. 
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Kiev and and Hungary and I so. 
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You're suggesting that that that
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Hungary away in this way because
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naysayers to to quite a lot of 
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this much stronger British, 
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around which the the coalition 
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Is that what's going on? 
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and Robert Fizzo in, in 
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odds with Brussels. 
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declaring them persona non 
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voting rights away because 
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Ukraine programme and so forth. 
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happening. 
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intelligence services and 
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intelligence services in Ukraine
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through these sort of dissident 
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So and perhaps open up a new 
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I, I don't think that's out of 
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this point. 
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and Kiev and Europe are 
desperate if if Russia's seem to

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win this or come to a peace 
deal, it's devastating for not 

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just NATO, Mike, but the EU 
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Right. 
So as Patrick says, with this 

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attack on Kiev, we've seen the 
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in the Western legacy media. 
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example of this, this is the 
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Russian missile hit and damaged 
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Kiev during this the the attacks
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So that's how British legacy 
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people and that and of course 
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building, but also the an EU 
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In fact, it was a third building
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pretty limited, as we'll see in 
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But as I say, that didn't stop 
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the implication of this was that
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Britain and the EU, and of 
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narrative of security guarantees
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It does and but you know, the 
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might be an integral part of 
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sovereign territory. 
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embassy or a consulate. 
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fall under that. 
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I mean, why wouldn't you if it's
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something like that? 
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activities going on there that 
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going because it's part of, 
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accusations made against some of
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institutions. 
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the allegations that are made. 
So here is the FS BS flag here, 

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but this is the Russian 
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And back in June, they made a 
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British Council, which I thought
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point, Patrick. 
So let's just have a look at it.

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They said in their statement 
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of global crises, A provocateur 
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London organises coups, weakens 
not only its geopolitical 

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enemies but also its closest 
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each other, and prevents the 
resolution of bloody conflicts 

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that it unleashed. 
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disagree with anything in that 
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We've certainly reported on 
quite a bit of this, so you know

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there is meat on the bones of 
these accusations. 

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Indeed. 
So let's have a look and see 

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what they said about the British
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They said the British Council is
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actively participates in the 
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special services aimed at 
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security of the Russian 
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other sovereign states. 
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disagree with that. 
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various projects are being 
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Council to systematically 
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foreign policies of the Russian 
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situation is with the British 
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How much money does it get from,
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Commonwealth and Development 
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So let's have a look at that. 
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website that the UK column has 
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And as just as a reminder, this 
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which the Foreign Office 
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more obvious to people. 
So let's see what this website 

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has to say. 
Well, if we look at the top 20 

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recipients of FCDO money, which 
is on that front page, the 

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British Council is third on the 
list to the tune of £1.6 billion

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over the course of the the time 
frame that we're talking about 

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with this website. 
So about the last seven years. 

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Well, let's just have a look at 
this in a little bit more 

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detail. 
So there's the graph. 

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So it begins in December 2017. 
And what we can see there is 

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that they receive around £20 
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with some spikes of up to £100 
million per month. 

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And right there, Patrick, if we 
put a ring round, it is a spike 

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of just under £100 million in 
February, March 2022. 

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What else happened around that 
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That was the outbreak of the 
Ukraine Russia conflict. 

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Right. 
Yeah, February 24th, so 2022. 

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Isn't that a coincidence? 
One would say yes. 

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One would say that's an anomaly 
on the graph. 

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I can't imagine that those two 
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each other though. 
Anyway, those are the 

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allegations of the Russian 
Federation and you can take 

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those as you see fit. 
I, as I say, struggle to find 

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any anything incorrect about 
what the FSB said there. 

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If that makes me a mouthpiece 
for the Putin regime, well, 

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that's that's well and good. 
But that that's how it looks to 

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me. 
Well, everything that they have 

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said about the British Council 
is exactly what everything 

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including scholars and 
journalists have been saying 

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about USAID. 
This institution of this 

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instrument of sub quote soft 
power and smart power by the 

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United States as ACIA cut out 
organisation. 

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So one could look at the British
Council in roughly the same way 

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a soft power or smart power 
outlet NGO and an extension of 

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British intelligence like the 
USAID constellation is an 

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extension of American 
intelligence. 

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I mean, I I can't, I don't see 
the problem in looking at these 

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things that way. 
And and what about the 

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allegation that I've seen that 
the British Council was somehow 

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performing some kind of 
coordination role in Ukraine? 

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I, I have not looked close 
enough at the exact, you know, 

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allegations there, but certainly
it would, it would be 

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interesting and it wouldn't be 
unusual. 

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And like I said, USCID have 
played the exact same role. 

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There's also been accusations 
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international organisation as 
well involved in giving 

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targeting information out during
from the front lines and during 

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breaking the MINX peace process 
basically. 

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And Dombass another another 
discussion, but you know, not 

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not unusual. 
But so anyway, an EU building 

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was damaged as well, and Ursula 
was outraged. 

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Absolutely outraged. 
So let's just have a listen what

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she had to say. 
I'm outraged by the attack on 

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Keaf also hitting our EU 
offices. 

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This was the deadliest drone and
missile attack on the capital 

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since July. 
And as you can see behind me on 

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the screen, it was an attack 
also on our delegation. 

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I just spoke with our deputy 
ambassador and I'm relieved that

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none of our staff were harmed. 
Last night's attack struck in 

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close proximity of the 
diplomatic mission. 

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The representation of our Union 
2 missiles hit in a distance of 

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50 metres of the delegation 
within 20 seconds. 

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And this is another grim 
reminder of what is at stake. 

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This is why we are keeping 
maximum pressure on Russia. 

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That means tightening our 
sanctions regime. 

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We will come forward soon with 
our 19th package of hard biting 

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sanctions and in parallel we are
advancing the work on the 

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Russian frozen assets to 
contribute to Ukraine's defence 

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and reconstruction. 
So hard biting sanctions and 

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stealing Russian frozen assets. 
That's the response. 

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Stealing. 
Yeah. 

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That's, that's the Ursula. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, where is this righteous 
indignation for what Israel's 

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doing in Gaza? 
I mean, seriously, by the way, 

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they, they keep saying that 
Ukraine is at war and that the 

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Ukrainians are at risk. 
Why do they have a mission in 

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Kiev? 
Why don't they move it to Livov,

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which is completely out of range
of pretty much any of the 

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hostilities? 
Why? 

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I don't understand, if you care 
about your staff and you claim 

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that this is a war zone, why are
you, you know, still keeping 

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your building staffed in right 
next to a target that could be a

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military target? 
Because she wasn't hit directly.

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She's claiming it was attack on 
the EU mission. 

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It wasn't. 
It was ancillary damage, wasn't 

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it? 
Maybe you want justification for

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security guarantees. 
Well, yeah, of course that she's

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advancing that that argument. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

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So So yeah, that's interesting, 
Mike. 

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So where where is Europe on, on 
Ukraine? 

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Well, let's just take a look at 
this. 

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So, and this is Politico here 
grasping at straws. 

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Europe floats Ukraine, Russia 
buffer zone in a push for peace.

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So they're still at it basically
pushing these ideas here. 

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They're grasping at straws as 
Jim Towns and former Pentagon 

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official who oversaw Europe and 
NATO's policy under the Obama 

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administration here. 
Totally unrealistic, this idea 

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of flooding the zone with 
European troops, a coalition of 

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the willing doing this outside 
of NATO, technically. 

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So there's no Article 5 
tripwire. 

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I mean, it's just, it's just 
another workaround that's just 

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not practical, not not going to 
happen. 

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Actually, if they push on this, 
it's going to probably create a 

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huge crisis, security crisis for
Europe because Russia is 

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obviously not going to respect 
what what Europe's doing there. 

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And so here's here's the number.
The issue, however, Mike, the 

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Russians are not afraid of the 
Europeans, says Jim Townsend, 

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former Obama administration 
official. 

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And if they think that a couple 
of British and French observers 

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are going to deter them from 
marching into Ukraine, then 

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they're wrong. 
So that's from the Democratic 

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appointee side that are normally
pretty hawkish on these matters 

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here. 
But on the issue of Europe, so 

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here, here's where you're upset 
right now. 

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They they're still dangling this
Ukrainian membership into the 

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EU. 
And here's the Hungarian foreign

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minister here. 
And obviously you're not allowed

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to see this if you're in Britain
or France because it's RT. 

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So what we're showing you here 
is statements from the Hungarian

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foreign minister, which you're 
not allowed to read in in 

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Western Europe because it's too 
dangerous and your governments 

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are concerned about you falling 
under the the spell of the 

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sorcery spell of Russian 
disinformation. 

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OK, so here's what he says. 
Now, this is important because 

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Europe needs to understand this.
If someone realistically and 

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rationally observes Ukrainian 
accession to the EU, what impact

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it would have. 
And you can see that this would 

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be the coup de gras to the 
European Union. 

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In other words, this would be 
the death knell for the EU. 

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So there's a lot of people that 
are cheering this on. 

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Actually. 
I think rightly maybe Hungary 

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would like to see this happen 
because they would like to see 

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the European Union possibly 
disintegrate the political union

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anyway. 
Not the Common Market, of 

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course, but Brussels would have 
to redirect practically all EU 

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financial resources towards 
supporting. 

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Kiev the ultimate welfare state 
here, while quote much of lower 

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quality agriculture products 
would destroy European 

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agriculture. 
Big complaint, especially in 

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Poland and the quote Ukrainian 
mafia would roam freely in 

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Europe as well as the Nazis of 
the hundreds of thousands of 

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radicalised Ukrainian 
nationalists and Nazis that 

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would probably be homeless at 
that point. 

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I don't know what would happen. 
But so this this is from the 

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Hungarian side here. 
So it's a non starter. 

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You know, you by the way, NATO 
membership for, for they don't 

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have to give Russia guarantees 
because hung Hungarian Slovakia 

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would never vote. 
They need unanimous vote, right 

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for NATO membership, right? 
They're not going to get it. 

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There's probably 3 or 4 NATO 
members that will not vote for 

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Ukraine full stop. 
So it's not going to happen. 

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And by the looks of this, EU 
membership is hugely 

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problematic. 
What a financial drain this 

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would end up being on Europe. 
They require complete 

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entitlement and welfare support 
on every aspect of their 

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political economy. 
I mean, forget it, it's it's not

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going to happen. 
But they're going to keep 

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dangling this because that's the
dream isn't it? 

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Euro Maidan. 
And what suggests to finish this

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segment off, Patrick? 
What does does Russia have to do

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before the West admits defeat? 
Probably wins so decisively on 

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the battlefield that they'll 
have to scramble to freeze the 

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lines. 
Are they not doing that already?

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That's what Alaska was all 
about. 

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I, I, I personally, I think the 
Ukrainian front lines collapsing

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in so many key areas that I 
think that's what pushed Trump. 

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And the Europeans were totally 
behind Trump. 

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Did you notice that? 
Oh, just completely. 

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They were like school kids there
in the Oval Office just waiting 

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to see what daddy is going to 
say. 

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But because they know that the 
US is the only chance they have 

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to potentially freeze the front 
lines, because if they don't, 

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Russia's just going to keep 
rolling on. 

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And quite frankly, they're going
to keep rolling on now in lieu 

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of any sort of serious political
negotiations. 

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It's just going to, it's just 
going to carry on. 

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That's probably where it's going
to end up. 

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I hope it doesn't trigger an 
irrational reaction from some of

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the Hawks in Europe. 
That would be unfortunate. 

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But yet we we wait. 
End date OK, let's move on. 

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If you like what the UK column 
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There's a Big Blue button on the
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Like to mention once again, the 

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On location event which is 
taking place on Saturday the 

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18th of October 2025. 
Andrew Wakefield is going to be 

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speaking at that. 
Of course, we will remind you 

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again, you get access to his 
film Protocol 7 if you are an in

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person ticket holder or you get 
hold of a ticket to the live 

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stream. 
Those are available as well on 

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the website and Tess is already 
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More speakers to be announced. 
Tonight's weekly banter with 

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Jeremy, Charles and myself goes 
out to 7:00 PM tonight. 

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Please join us for that. 
And a reminder that Alex 

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Thompson and Charles's 
discussion on why did the Church

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of England go wrong that went 
out 1:00 PM yesterday is on the 

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website now. 
So if you haven't didn't see 

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that yesterday, please have a 
look at that discussion. 

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OK, that brings us then to TB in
Washington. 

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Now, am I talking about 
tuberculosis? 

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An outbreak of TB in Washington?
I think that's what you're 

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talking about. 
It is indeed, so let's just have

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a look at it here, because it is
quite horrible to watch. 

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There's the virus right there. 
Right there. 

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So Tony Blair and Jared Kushner 
attended the meeting with Trump 

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at the White House to discuss 
plans for post war Gaza. 

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That's what they said. 
They missing from the meeting, 

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of course, was anyone 
representing the people of Gaza.

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Of course they're not invited. 
They're not invited. 

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Blair and Kushner were 
apparently there to discuss 

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ideas for how Gaza can be 
governed without Hamas in power.

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And to take a quote from some of
the coverage on this, President 

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Trump has been clear that he 
wants the war to end and he 

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wants peace and prosperity for 
everyone in the region. 

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The White House has nothing 
additional to share on the 

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meeting at this time. 
So this was what a White House 

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spokesperson said. 
An anonymous White House House 

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official said that to the 
mainstream. 

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So Trump wants it to end by any 
means necessary, including 

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ethnic cleansing and. 
Moving everybody out of. 

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The OR or killing whoever 
doesn't want to leave. 

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OK, we get that. 
OK. 

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So why was Blair there? 
Well of course after remind you 

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that after stepping down as 
Prime Minister of the UK in 

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2007, he took on the role of 
Middle East envoy for the 

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Quartet, so called Quartet. 
Just remind everybody what that 

461
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,000
is that was. 
That was a sort of confab of 

462
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,880
countries and formally they were
trying to, you know, midwife 

463
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,000
some kind of a peace process in 
the Middle East and of course 

464
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,440
that include the Western powers.
I even think Russia was involved

465
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,680
somewhat in the Quartet as well.
Complete abysmal failure, as we 

466
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,920
can see. 
Absolutely. 

467
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,040
And he held that role until 
2015. 

468
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,880
But also he was also there 
because of course, as we 

469
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,520
reported a couple of weeks ago, 
Tony Blair Institute was also 

470
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,720
involved in creating the whole 
Trump Gaza Riviera plan 

471
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,280
alongside Boston Consulting 
Group. 

472
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,200
And if you remember this, this 
plan was announced back in June.

473
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,840
It was a post war Gaza plan that
envisaged kick starting Gaza's 

474
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,320
economy with a quotes Trump 
Riviera and an Elon Musk smart 

475
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,920
manufacturing zone. 
Now the FT as we can see on 

476
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,240
screen reported that one lengthy
documents. 

477
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,160
So what they said was 1 lengthy 
document on post war Gaza 

478
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,520
written by TBI staff member was 
shared within the group for 

479
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,880
consideration. 
This included the idea of a Gaza

480
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,480
Riviera with artificial islands 
off the coast akin to those in 

481
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,480
Dubai, blockchain based trade 
initiatives, a deep water port 

482
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,840
to tie Gaza into the Middle East
Europe economic corridor and a 

483
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,080
low tax special economic zone. 
And, and my first question then 

484
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320
was, are these akin to these, 
this Freeport idea that we're, 

485
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,560
we're getting in the West where 
we're supposed to have these low

486
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,720
tax zones? 
I I'm not sure but but I guess 

487
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,880
it's the same, it's the same 
kind of policy. 

488
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,800
So so glitzy glitzy high rise 
Dubai style apartments that are 

489
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,080
basic and and and rivers of 
blood. 

490
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,040
Rivers of blood, yes. 
Around them. 

491
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,240
I mean, who, who, who? 
Who wouldn't want that, really. 

492
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,920
Tony Blair is midwifing that 
project. 

493
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,040
I'm so shocked. 
Well, indeed. 

494
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,480
Now, it was the news website 
Axios which broke the story of 

495
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,400
this latest meeting. 
And they quote unnamed sources, 

496
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,560
as I believe they tend to do. 
Patrick is that that they? 

497
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,160
They tend to quote unnamed 
sources. 

498
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,800
Yeah, that's standard practise 
from mainstream media. 

499
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,960
So that's how you know Axios is 
mainstream, yeah. 

500
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,800
OK, well these unnamed sources 
said that Steve Witkoff has been

501
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,720
discussing a post war plan for 
Gaza with Kushner and Blair for 

502
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,800
several months. 
And the sources said that Blair 

503
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,120
met Witkoff at the White House 
in July on the same day that 

504
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,240
Netanyahu met Trump. 
Now there's a coincidence, isn't

505
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,520
it? 
Now, according to U.S. 

506
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,840
officials, Trumps Gaza meeting 
on Wednesday this week, it was 

507
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,520
also to focus on AUS plan for 
humanitarian aid for Gaza. 

508
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,080
So the quote from this is it's 
expanding the food plan, the 

509
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,520
quantity and distribution 
method, the number of people 

510
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,120
that could be served. 
And this again was said by an 

511
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:01,520
unnamed US official. 
The same US official said that 

512
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,440
Trump's instructions are get 
this fixed. 

513
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,280
And this is very similar Patrick
narrative to the to, to, to 

514
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,680
Britain and, and France in 
particular, saying that if 

515
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,040
things aren't fixed by 
September, they're going to 

516
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,080
recognise the Palestinian state.
That some people thought this 

517
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,440
was a great thing. 
But what that that message to me

518
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,040
was telling Israel, get this, 
get this sorted out. 

519
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,960
In other words, ramp up what 
you're doing and get the things 

520
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,720
finished. 
Yeah, we're expanding food 

521
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,480
distribution, but at the same 
time Israel's expanding bombing 

522
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,640
and mounting a full scale 
invasion of Gaza. 

523
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,320
I mean, you can't make this up. 
How Orwellian is this whole 

524
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,400
thing? 
I mean, this is just beyond the 

525
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,360
pale at this point. 
Well, later on in the day then, 

526
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,440
a senior White House official 
told Reuters that Trump and 

527
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,320
along with top White House 
officials Larry and Kushner were

528
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,560
discussing all aspects of the 
Gaza issue, including food, as 

529
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,480
we just mentioned, the hostage 
crisis, post war plans and more.

530
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,960
The official described the 
session as simply a policy 

531
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,560
meeting of the type frequently 
held by Trump and his team. 

532
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,960
I don't think so. 
And then we have the Times of 

533
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,360
Israel here confirming that. 
Sorry, we'll go back here. 

534
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,000
There we go. 
Confirming that Netanyahu 

535
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,240
advisor Rob Dermer had also 
arrived in Washington on 

536
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,200
Wednesday that they did not 
confirm that he was involved in 

537
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,200
the meeting. 
Dermers presence in Washington, 

538
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,960
they said, is a reflection of 
the Trump administrations close 

539
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,320
coordination with Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu counts who 

540
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,200
counts the strategic affairs 
minister as a close confidant, 

541
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,920
according to the Times of 
Israel. 

542
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,720
And according to his spokesman, 
Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon 

543
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,440
Saar was also in Washington to 
meet US Secretary of State Marco

544
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,840
Rubio at the State Department. 
He apparently did not take part 

545
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,160
in the White House meeting. 
And again, I ask, isn't that all

546
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,560
a coincidence? 
And so the question is, what is 

547
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,840
being cooked up here that it 
could be no more than just 

548
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,280
keeping the pressure on Israel 
and making sure that it's all 

549
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,400
done by September as they're 
wanting it to be. 

550
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,400
I wonder is there anything else 
in this? 

551
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,400
No, this is a big property deal.
That's what this is, I'm sure. 

552
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,920
I wonder what Tony Blair's 
kickback is on this. 

553
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320
What is it going to be? 
A penthouse at the top of one of

554
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:21,520
those big, you know, shiny 
skyscrapers or you know, what's 

555
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,040
his, what's his, his action 
going to be on the back end of 

556
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,600
this because Tony doesn't do 
this stuff out of the goodness 

557
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,400
of his heart. 
There's got to be some kind of 

558
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,280
kickback. 
But this is just disgusting on 

559
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,040
on so many levels, Mike, Not 
least of all because there's no 

560
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,640
talk about the welfare at all of
the Palestinians. 

561
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,400
It's just Trump wants to get it 
done. 

562
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,040
Netanyahu wants to get it done. 
And they again, as you said, 

563
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,520
they they're not allowed to 
invite. 

564
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360
There's no Palestinians at the 
table and there hasn't been 

565
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,960
through the whole quote, Abraham
Accords peace process right till

566
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,600
now. 
And now they're really talking 

567
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,280
about the final solution in 
Gaza, the final solution that 

568
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,200
Israel is proposing. the US are 
on board with it. 

569
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,280
Tony Blair's on board with it, 
and so are all the other 

570
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,520
grifters and glad handers that 
are circling like vultures right

571
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,040
now around Gaza. 
It's just disgusting. 

572
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,640
So what about Israeli reservists
then? 

573
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,400
What are they up to? 
Well, slight problem, slight 

574
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,080
problem with the reservists, 
some of them are failing to show

575
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,040
up. 
This is the New York Times here.

576
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,840
I mean, the fact that this is 
running in the New York Times 

577
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,520
and nominally pro Israeli outlet
traditionally is something on 

578
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,840
its own, but let's just let's 
take a look at this. 

579
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,400
So thousands are basically 
either not showing up or coming 

580
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,080
in with deferments and things 
like that. 

581
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,880
So over the last few months, the
IDF have noticed increased 

582
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,720
numbers of reservist soldiers 
just basically haven't showed up

583
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,400
to their posts for military 
service. 

584
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,280
They're disillusioned. 
They left the country. 

585
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,520
They're exhausted, many of them.
There's more conscientious 

586
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,400
objectors now in the IDF. 
So this is bringing up a lot of 

587
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,040
question marks about whether 
they can mount the type of full 

588
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,280
scale invasion of Gaza, which 
it's not an invasion of Gaza, 

589
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,840
it's ethnic cleansing of Gaza 
and killing whoever doesn't want

590
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,000
to leave. 
I mean that the way the press is

591
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,400
characterising what's going on 
right now is, is pretty 

592
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,800
incredible. 
So I, I hope that, you know, 

593
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,080
there's some journalists and 
some editors of some of these 

594
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,120
major organisations like the BBC
for instance, that might have a 

595
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,200
conscience and might start 
acting and like real reporters, 

596
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,840
voters and real journalists at 
this point because we're looking

597
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,160
at history unfolding in the 
worst possible way. 

598
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,320
OK. 
Let's move on to the topic of 

599
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,880
Iran, Patrick and the question 
of the nuclear deal then. 

600
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,920
Yeah, Let's take a look at this 
here. 

601
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,680
So this is what's dominating the
headlines right now of the last 

602
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,320
24 hours is the Iran nuclear 
issue here. 

603
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,600
And when we say Iran nuclear 
issue, what are we really 

604
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,040
talking about? 
Well, we're talking about this. 

605
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,280
It is really an Israeli nuclear 
issue. 

606
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,680
It really has more to do with 
what Israel wants out of 

607
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,640
Washington and with Iran because
Iran's one of the last countries

608
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,800
in the in the area, in the 
Middle East, in West Asia that's

609
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,080
standing up for the native 
Palestinian population and the 

610
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,160
people of the Levant. 
So let's take a look at the 

611
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,000
particulars here. 
So, so what's going on? 

612
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,200
Iran faces, quote, snapback 
sanctions over its nuclear 

613
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,960
programme. 
So here's what that means. 

614
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,200
So remember the JCPOA Iran 
nuclear deal that Trump 

615
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600
basically destroyed in his first
term? 

616
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,960
It it the, the deal was that 
there would be snapback 

617
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,800
sanctions. 
So sanctions, UN sanctions were 

618
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,040
lifted against Iran if they did 
the JCPOA. 

619
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,520
They did the JCPOA and now 
they're threatening to put the 

620
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,920
sanctions back because they're 
saying that Iran is derelict of 

621
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,800
its obligations and 
responsibilities for the JCPOA. 

622
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,400
I mean, it's pretty incredible. 
Let's look at the particular 

623
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680
here for France, Britain and 
Germany. 

624
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,000
That's the E3, the E3. 
They've initiated a process of 

625
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,320
triggering SNAP, a snapback 
mechanism that automatically 

626
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,800
reimposes all of the UN 
sanctions on Iran over its 

627
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,880
nuclear programme or its alleged
its alleged nuclear weapons 

628
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,040
programme, saying that Iran has 
willfully departed from their 

629
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,360
2015 deal. 
That's pretty incredible, 

630
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,520
bearing in mind what the US and 
Israel just done to Iran. 

631
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,000
But we'll leave that aside for 
the moment the sanctions were 

632
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,199
put in effect. 
In fact, there's basically 

633
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,080
conventional arms embargo, 
restrictions on ballistic 

634
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,600
missile development, asset 
freezes, travel bans and a ban 

635
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,920
on producing nuclear related 
technology here. 

636
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,600
And then finally, the E3 offered
Iran delay in the snapback talks

637
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,679
back in July if Iran met three 
conditions, resume negotiations 

638
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,440
with the US over its nuclear 
programme, allowing the UN 

639
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,520
nuclear inspectors access IAEA 
inspectors access to the nuclear

640
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,320
sites and accounting for over 
400 kilogrammes of highly 

641
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,679
enriched uranium. 
So apparently went missing that 

642
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,880
Trump said he destroyed, but it 
turns out he didn't or it 

643
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,520
doesn't. 
They don't believe he didn't 

644
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,800
here. 
Here's Iran's response, Mike, 

645
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,360
this is Iran's. 
Tehran, which now enriches 

646
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,880
uranium at near nuclear weapons 
grade levels, has rejected the 

647
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,960
proposal. 
So that's the, that's the thing,

648
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,840
the, the while they're 
negotiating Israel, it mounted a

649
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,880
sneak attack on Tehran. 
I mean, we all saw what 

650
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,640
happened. 
Of course, Iran retaliates. 

651
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,640
Then the US strikes Iran, an 
unprovoked attack by the US. 

652
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:33,520
So and so the US left the JCPOA 
unilaterally in Trump's in 2018 

653
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,080
May. 
And then so they're out. 

654
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,800
So Iran kept playing ball with 
the JCPOA and then Israel and 

655
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,920
the US attack Iran and its 
civilian nuclear programme. 

656
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,400
And now they're saying that Iran
is somehow breach and breach of 

657
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,480
the agreement. 
It's a joke. 

658
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,760
The EU didn't even fulfil its 
obligations, its financial 

659
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,240
obligations. 
They didn't. 

660
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:55,560
Iran's been complaining about 
that for years. 

661
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,040
Nothing. 
So this, this is just so 

662
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,440
disingenuous on the part of 
Europe. 

663
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,040
But this is where I think this 
is where Israel wants Europe to 

664
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,280
go on this. 
And they're quite happy to abide

665
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,960
by whatever Israel wants. 
So this is a total sham, as as 

666
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,960
we can see. 
But here's another problem. 

667
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,480
Take a look at this. 
So Iran, IAEA inspectors to 

668
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,520
return after Supreme National 
Security Council gives their 

669
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,640
approval. 
This is a strategic move by 

670
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,280
Iran, Mike. 
But the hardliners in Iran are 

671
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,920
basically going crazy right now 
saying how can you let them back

672
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,280
into the country after what 
happened? 

673
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,520
And here are the accusations. 
This is Trita Parsi. 

674
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,520
He's with the Quincy Institute, 
responsible statecraft in the 

675
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,160
United States to say. 
On the surface, these demands 

676
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,960
seem reasonable, but Tehran has 
legitimate reservations. 

677
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,360
Iranian officials suspected that
the IAEA of leaking sensitive 

678
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,160
information that enabled 
Mossad's assassination campaign 

679
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,360
against Iranian nuclear 
scientists. 

680
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,840
And they fear that revealing the
stockpile's location would 

681
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,320
simply invite another round of 
US air strikes. 

682
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,960
Iran was at the negotiation 
table when Israel and the US 

683
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,160
began bombing it. 
The E3 now insists Tehran 

684
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,240
returned to talks, yet make no 
parallel demand that Washington 

685
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:13,120
refrain from bombing again. 
And Israel refrains, quite 

686
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,000
frankly, because that was an 
unprovoked attack by Israel. 

687
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:20,720
So Trita Parsi, of course, very 
astute, a political commentator,

688
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:23,600
of course he's, I think he's 
absolutely correct on this. 

689
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,480
But this is, this is a problem 
now in Iran because the 

690
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,000
hardliners are like, why are we,
why are we playing ball? 

691
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,640
I think Iran's playing a long 
game and I think Russia might be

692
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,440
advising them that this is the 
way to go in order to build 

693
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,600
consensus more broadly in the 
international community. 

694
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,960
Even though it's a risk, they 
think it's a calculated risk 

695
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,680
that they're willing to take, 
that somehow they'll be an exit 

696
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,920
out of this. 
I don't think so. 

697
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,640
I think Iran and the US are 
planning for another war. 

698
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,480
They're going to attack them 
again, probably in the next 

699
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,920
couple of Israel and the US are 
going to attack Iran again. 

700
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:02,320
They're because the US are 
moving long range like the the 

701
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,000
Aegis and the THAAD missile 
systems. 

702
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,840
They're moving more of these 
into Israel right now. 

703
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,280
So that's clearly to defend 
Israeli installations and cities

704
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,840
from Iranian missile strikes. 
Because one of the things that 

705
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,560
came out of the previous attack 
was that they got to see where 

706
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,360
their weaknesses were in their 
own defence. 

707
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,440
That's right, that's right. 
So, so right now where it is 

708
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,920
where the potential stalemate 
here if Iran leaves the non 

709
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,160
proliferation treaty and they're
exactly in the same status as 

710
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,560
Israel, they could have an 
undeclared nuclear weapon of 

711
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,800
they're not part of the MPT like
Israel. 

712
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,680
And that is a sort of unofficial
stalemate in the region. 

713
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,440
But it's I don't think it's 
going to work because the United

714
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,040
States has overwhelming force. 
Well, it's not going to work 

715
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,120
because there are no honest 
brokers in the West. 

716
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:47,320
That true? 
That too. 

717
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,360
It's not a level playing field, 
and that's the source of the 

718
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,520
whole problem. 
Yeah, no honest brokers in the 

719
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,360
West and yeah, I'm not not 
really sure what else we can say

720
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,800
about that. 
It's, it's right. 

721
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,200
The other thing I was going to 
mention there was the E3 and 

722
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,880
this this isn't, we've mentioned
this many times in this 

723
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,320
programme, but it's one of these
sort of descriptions that tends 

724
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,400
to go under the radar. 
But the E3 is is kind of an 

725
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,960
informal block between the UK, 
France and Germany. 

726
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,680
And we were talking about the 
fact that Slovakia and Hungary 

727
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,160
are sort of being paired off 
from, from the coalition, the 

728
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,880
willing and inverted commas. 
But right at the core of that is

729
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,160
this E3 structure. 
And although that was originally

730
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,520
set up to deal with the Iran 
nuclear issue, it's it's become 

731
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,480
something much more at the heart
of this whole European Defence 

732
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Initiative. 
It's like the concert of Europe.

733
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,920
This is where we're going, you 
know. 

734
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,120
By the way, Mike, you mentioned 
Hungary and Slovakia as peeling 

735
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,040
off and becoming dissidents 
within NATO and the EU. 

736
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,800
I'll tell you if the United 
States did not meddle in the 

737
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,120
Romanian elections, Romania will
be right there shoulder to 

738
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,560
shoulder with Hungary and 
Slovakia. 

739
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,440
But there was meddling and they 
took the they took the front 

740
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,120
runner out of the race who was 
clearly against this war in 

741
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,040
Ukraine. 
Like Orban and Fiso said, it's 

742
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,400
unwinnable. 
We need to de escalate. 

743
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,000
And so they had him removed. 
I think the United States were 

744
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,480
deeply involved in that coup. 
And so they didn't get honest 

745
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,640
elections in, in Romania and who
knows with three major countries

746
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,240
ordering Ukraine, where, where 
that where does that leave the 

747
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,280
the other countries? 
Where does that leave Poland? 

748
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,120
I mean, that would certainly put
pressure in Poland as well. 

749
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,160
Well, I mean, Poland's inviting 
the pressure, you know, because 

750
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,280
Poland is absolutely 100% on 
board with the whole Ukraine, 

751
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,160
Russia. 
Well, the political class is. 

752
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,040
Yes, yes, for sure. 
Yeah, probably not the voters. 

753
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,920
No, that for sure that is the 
case. 

754
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,760
So and and same with Moldova as 
well. 

755
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,440
A lot of effort to install the 
current, you know, leader in 

756
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,440
Moldova. 
They're afraid that somehow 

757
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,560
they're going to fall into the 
Russians fear of influence. 

758
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,360
Yeah. 
So this is this is the new 

759
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,520
battle lines. 
Oh, OK, let's let's move on then

760
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,440
and we'll move on to the issue 
of censorship. 

761
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,280
Now over the last few weeks, 
we've been highlighting this 

762
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,680
issue of so called age assurance
under the Online Safety Act 

763
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,280
regime. 
And as we've made the point, 

764
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,640
this is effectively one of the 
paths towards the digital ID 

765
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,880
rollout. 
But it's not just a British 

766
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,600
thing. 
Britain is leading the way as 

767
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,680
usual, but others are catching 
up. 

768
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,520
So I just wanted to very briefly
have a look at the situation in 

769
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,200
the USA because it's tricky 
because of constitutional 

770
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,040
protections. 
And so these policies seem to be

771
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,280
being rolled out at the state 
level instead. 

772
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,400
So let me introduce you to an 
organisation called Dream with 

773
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,240
Dream with Studios. 
This is what just explain what 

774
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,160
they describe themselves as a 
home for creative artists of all

775
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,040
types. 
Share your writing, your artwork

776
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,160
or your innermost thoughts. 
Find others who create the sort 

777
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,680
of things you like to enjoy. 
Control who can see your 

778
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,600
creation with our fine grained 
privacy controls. 

779
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Participate in communities for 
everyone at any one of 100 

780
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,280
topics. 
We are an independent, open 

781
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,800
source, community centric 
service and we support diversity

782
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,480
in all its forms. 
Come dream with us. 

783
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,880
Well, that's what they said 
about themselves, but they have 

784
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,640
just issued or made an 
announcement that they're also 

785
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,760
introducing Geo blocking, but 
not for the UK or for UK users 

786
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,160
as other websites have been 
doing, as we've been describing 

787
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,960
over the last few weeks, but for
users in the state of 

788
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,960
Mississippi. 
And the reason is that 

789
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,480
Mississippi residents, I'll just
quote a little bit from the 

790
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,920
website, they say Mississippi 
residents, we are so, so sorry. 

791
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,120
We really don't want to do this,
but the legal fight we and Net 

792
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,320
choice have been fighting for, 
you had a temporary set back 

793
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,960
last week. 
You genuinely and honestly 

794
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,280
believe we're going to win it in
the end. 

795
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,600
But the 5th Circuit appellate 
court said that the District 

796
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,320
Judge was wrong to issue a 
preliminary injunction back in 

797
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,440
June that would have maintained 
the status quo and prevented the

798
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,440
state from enforcing the law. 
Requiring any social media 

799
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,640
website, which is very very 
broadly defined in which we 

800
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,760
definitely qualify as the DE 
anonymize and age verify all 

801
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,880
users and obtain parental 
permission from the parent of 

802
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,120
anyone under 18 who wants to 
open an account. 

803
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,840
The Mississippi the Mississippi 
law they say is a breath 

804
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,840
breathtaking state overreach. 
It forces us to verify the 

805
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,560
identity and age of every person
who accesses dream with from the

806
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,800
state of Mississippi and 
determine who's under the age of

807
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,960
18 by collecting identity 
documents to save that highly 

808
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,080
personal and sensitive 
information and then obtain a 

809
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,600
permission slip from those 
parents users parents who allow 

810
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,320
to allow them to finish creating
an attack an account. 

811
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,720
Sorry. 
And of course, this is, I 

812
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:44,280
understand the concerns, aside 
from the privacy concerns, This 

813
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,400
puts a massive obligation on 
them to maintain, to maintain 

814
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,720
certain levels of security 
standards because more and more 

815
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,280
personal information is required
to be held by them. 

816
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,040
The UK column doesn't hold 
anybody's personal information. 

817
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,240
In fact, the only thing that 
you're theoretically obliged to 

818
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,040
provide to us is your first 
name. 

819
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,880
But most people don't provide a 
genuine first name there. 

820
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,040
And an email. 
Yes, an email, but and for that,

821
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,160
yes, people are setting up 
sometimes specific emails for 

822
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,600
our website as anybody with any 
sense would do for. 

823
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,240
Other websites. 
The same for other websites, the

824
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,400
same. 
So look, I need some help here, 

825
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,880
Patrick. 
This is clearly 

826
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,120
unconstitutional. 
But it looks to me like by 

827
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,520
rolling out legislation like 
this at the state level, global 

828
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,560
influencers can impose policy 
that in the hope that no one has

829
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,000
the financial resources to take 
this all the way to the Supreme 

830
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Court to challenge it. 
And, you know, the Constitution 

831
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,920
of the United States has 
effectively undermined, it's 

832
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,360
possibly even made irrelevant 
through this strategy. 

833
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,360
Or am I reading that wrong? 
No, you're not reading it wrong.

834
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,920
I mean, how how it's going to 
work is that, you know, the 

835
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,400
state, states have certain 
rights. 

836
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,520
If it's not, if the, if the 
rights are in question are not 

837
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,800
specifically, specifically 
mentioned in the US 

838
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,400
Constitution, then under the 
10th Amendment, they're kicked 

839
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,680
back to the states. 
Basically, that's what the 

840
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,040
overturning of Roe V Wade, the 
abortion federal ruling was 

841
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,520
about right in the end. 
So what will happen here is that

842
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,440
if a number of states go this 
route, then it will be up to 

843
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,840
people within that state or 
websites or business owners then

844
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,640
to to do a legal action. 
And if it raises to the level 

845
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,240
if, if they're able to, as you 
say, Mike, afford the appeals 

846
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,520
process and they have the 
funding to do that and they have

847
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,440
the legal muscle to do that, 
then they could make it up to a 

848
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,200
high enough federal ruling 
whereby it would be overturned. 

849
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,040
And then that would be a federal
precedent. 

850
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,360
Then it becomes a constitutional
precedent at that point. 

851
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,920
But like even in in Britain as 
well, you have to muddle through

852
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,040
the legal system before 
everything is confirmed that 

853
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,800
that was an overreach or that 
wasn't an overreach. 

854
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,480
So unfortunately, I think what 
you're saying is right is this 

855
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,360
policy can be enacted, policy 
could be enacted around the law.

856
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,440
And if you get enough buy in, 
maybe at the corporate level and

857
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,080
it becomes a political issue, 
then who knows it there. 

858
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,880
There might be a way to subvert 
the constitutional rights issue 

859
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,000
more broadly, and it could be 
just done by Fiat somehow, like 

860
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,920
so many other things have online
as well. 

861
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,800
Yeah, indeed. 
Well, look, in the meantime, The

862
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,120
Hill here is reporting that a 
bunch of Republicans through the

863
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,320
House Oversight and Government 
Reform Committee are launching A

864
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,320
congressional inquiry into 
Wikipedia for bias. 

865
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,000
Now hold on to your hats here, 
because what's the driver for 

866
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,640
this? 
Well, you got it. 

867
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,760
It's anti Semitism. 
So multi multiple studies and 

868
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,840
reports have highlighted efforts
to manipulate information on the

869
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,600
Wikipedia platform for 
propaganda aimed at western 

870
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,000
audiences. 
They say one recent report 

871
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,880
raised troubling questions about
the potential systematic efforts

872
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,360
to advance anti Semitic and anti
Israel information on Wikipedia.

873
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,120
See how they conflate those two 
things there in Wikipedia 

874
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,680
articles related to conflicts 
with the state of Israel and 

875
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,720
they're particularly concerned 
that this bias will end up being

876
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:13,440
used to trade AI chat box the 
chat box, sorry. 

877
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,040
So the bias will become endemic.
So that's that's that is their 

878
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,000
one of their of their main 
concerns. 

879
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,960
Why would anybody want to be 
anti Israeli, Mike? 

880
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,680
I just can't imagine why anybody
would want to hold such views. 

881
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,920
I mean, what's Israel doing 
that's negative or bad? 

882
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,080
I just, I can't, I don't, I 
don't know. 

883
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,880
I'm shocked, you know? 
I'm shocked as well. 

884
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,120
How people would be engaged in 
such behaviour but. 

885
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,240
Well, indeed. 
Clearly, it's clearly 

886
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:41,960
antiseptic. 
What indeed? 

887
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Shush. 
Now look also a freedom of 

888
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,440
speech issue and something which
has traditionally been viewed as

889
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,600
a freedom of speech issue and an
act of protest in the United 

890
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,200
States has been burning the 
flag. 

891
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,800
Right here we go, flag burning. 
So a lot of people will look at 

892
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,400
this and say, well, why would 
you want to burn the American 

893
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,800
flag? 
Well, for one reason it's 

894
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,120
because it's constitutionally 
protected speech here. 

895
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,440
So Trump. 
Trump's flag burning order test,

896
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,040
Supreme Court ruling and talking
about Texas versus Johnson in 

897
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,440
1989. 
President Donald Trump signed 

898
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,120
executive order I highlight 
executive order on Monday 

899
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:26,280
directing federal agencies to 
vigorously prosecute as if 

900
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,440
there's not other crimes, to 
prosecute anyone who desecrates 

901
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,880
the US flag because it defends 
the president and to detain and 

902
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,080
revoke visas at such non 
citizens who've been accused of 

903
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,040
such behaviour here. 
And this. 

904
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,720
So this is Trump and the 
attorney general, Pam Bondi, as 

905
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,000
you can see, flanked with the 
assistant attorney general 

906
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,800
Jeffrey Epstein really controls 
that office at the end of the 

907
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,200
day. 
So what are we looking at here? 

908
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,280
This is just a big distraction. 
What's the distraction? 

909
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,480
2 things one is, is the fact 
that they've duffed up the 

910
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,720
Epstein thing, claimed that it 
didn't happen. 

911
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:04,160
They're not going to be 
releasing the files and the 

912
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,560
whole Israel, Gaza and genocide 
issue clamping down on free 

913
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,880
speech. 
Clearly UN American to cut down 

914
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,600
free speech to cut down the 1st 
amendment, which is what the 

915
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,440
Trump administration have been 
doing systematically and why 

916
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,480
have they been doing it for the 
defence of Israel and Israeli 

917
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,720
interests. 
So and I'll show you just how 

918
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,680
bad things are getting. 
So, so they're dragging us back 

919
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,720
in time to defend Israel 
ultimately. 

920
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,480
But on the flag burning issue, I
think this is a complete 

921
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,440
distraction. 
It's, there's no way it's, it's,

922
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,240
it's constitutionally protected 
speech. 

923
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,560
But there's some conservative 
judges, there's more 

924
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,920
conservative judges. 
Trump believes that if we can 

925
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,000
get this issue back up to the 
Supreme Court that there'll be 

926
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,680
instances where they could say 
there was motivation against US 

927
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,720
National Security or something 
that they'll be able to rule 

928
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:58,000
that some of these flag burning 
cases will be they'll be able to

929
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,400
enforce, you know, criminal 
prosecutions on that. 

930
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,440
So that's that's what I think 
Trump is betting on his Supreme 

931
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,080
Court, you know, majority on 
that because the previous ruling

932
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,440
was different. 
But here here's here's what's 

933
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,320
actually going on. 
And this is what this is where 

934
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,240
the Trump administration's 
getting hammered. 

935
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,000
And this is where they're losing
student newspapers, suing 

936
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,360
Secretary of State Marco Rubio 
over targeted deportations of 

937
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,520
student journalists who are not 
U.S. citizens but are here on 

938
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,880
student visas and so forth here.
What's at stake in this case is 

939
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,160
whether when you're in the 
United States, you're free to 

940
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,400
voice your opinion critical of 
the government without fear of 

941
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,680
retaliation, says Connor 
Fitzpatrick. 

942
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,400
He's an attorney with the 
Foundation for Individual Rights

943
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,520
and Expression Civil Civil 
Liberties group, representing 

944
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,880
the plaintiffs in this case. 
The plaintiffs is the Stanford 

945
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,000
student newspaper, the Stanford 
Daily here. 

946
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,080
And this is the, this is the 
bottom line. 

947
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,680
It does not matter if you are a 
citizen here on a green card or 

948
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,520
visiting Las Vegas for the 
weekend. 

949
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,960
You shouldn't have to fear 
retaliation because the 

950
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,320
government doesn't like what you
have to say. 

951
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,760
That's, that's the, this is the 
point that knuckle dragging MAGA

952
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,520
conservatives and arch Zionists 
and people like that, people 

953
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,880
that are demanding that students
be deported or locked up for 

954
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,600
student protests. 
They don't get this. 

955
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,360
It doesn't matter if you're AUS 
citizen, it's with if you're in 

956
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,200
the US jurisdiction, you are 
protected under the US 

957
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,720
Constitution, your First 
Amendment free, no speech 

958
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:32,320
assembly as well as protected as
long as you're not breaking the 

959
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,000
law and the law protects that 
speech according to the US 

960
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,320
Constitution. 
Anybody attacking and 

961
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,120
undermining the US Constitution 
is an enemy of the US 

962
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,760
Constitution, including the 
current U.S. government 

963
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,040
technically. 
And that's why they're being 

964
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,120
sued and hammered in the courts.
And Rubio will lose, most likely

965
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,600
is going to lose on this case as
they have done on the previous 

966
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:54,520
ones. 
Yeah, OK. 

967
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,160
But in the meantime, the ICE 
officers are going around 

968
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,840
lifting people off the streets, 
treating them extremely. 

969
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,080
I mean it's real 1930s Germany 
style stuff from some of the 

970
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,800
video clips that I've seen 
exporting them to other 

971
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:14,560
countries, not just to where was
it this sorry the South American

972
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,960
country? 
Is El Salvador. 

973
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,800
Thank you. 
Not just El Salvador, but also 

974
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,400
to some African countries is. 
Rwanda. 

975
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,480
They're doing their Rwanda. 
The Rwanda thing, right? 

976
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,440
And, and, but, and they're 
sending people to those 

977
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,400
countries where those people 
have no ties to those countries 

978
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,400
whatsoever, basically leaving 
them destitute in those 

979
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,480
countries were in a prison or 
whatever it happens to be. 

980
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,480
With no due process. 
No due process and with no 

981
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,320
support in those countries. 
I mean it is despicable and and 

982
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,920
actually pretty by the sort of 
what most people would 

983
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,760
understand by the definition of 
fascistic, it is pretty 

984
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
fascistic. 
It's very fascistic and Trump, 

985
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,800
Trump doing the flag burning 
thing through an executive order

986
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,000
is a very, very bad precedent. 
It's also gonna, I don't think 

987
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,960
it's good for Trump and his 
legacy because this is like 

988
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,720
something that a desperate 
authoritarian would do. 

989
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,560
And why? 
Just to make some kind of a 

990
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,520
statement in order to somehow 
virtue signal to his hardcore 

991
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,720
base on this. 
But as we pointed out, Mike, 

992
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,720
it's absolutely tied to these 
other issues. 

993
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,360
I mean, they deported a student 
from Tufts University, which is 

994
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,040
also what this Stanford case 
against Rubio is for writing an 

995
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,360
op Ed. 
She was Turkish, I believe, and 

996
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,800
she wrote an op Ed critical of 
Israel, Israel's doing in Gaza. 

997
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,160
And they black sacked her 
practically. 

998
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,160
I mean, they sent A-Team and 
just kidnapped her basically and

999
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,640
sent her off Mahmoud Khalil, who
reported on the Columbia student

1000
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,520
protest leader who's a 
Palestinian legal resident in 

1001
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,400
the United States, married to I 
think AUS citizen or legal 

1002
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,480
resident. 
And they, they tried to deport 

1003
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,480
him and they lost. 
He won an appeals and now he's 

1004
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,320
out advocating against the Trump
administration in Washington, 

1005
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,280
DC. 
It's usually embarrassing. 

1006
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,840
And all Marco Rubio can do is 
cry and scream and, and, and 

1007
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,560
pout on Twitter. 
That's the, and, and that 

1008
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,000
they're making the State 
Department pout with these 

1009
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,360
childish tweets coming off the 
official State Department 

1010
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,520
Twitter account. 
I mean, there's no dignity left 

1011
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,040
with these U.S. officials. 
I mean, they, they clearly don't

1012
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,880
give a, you know, what about the
US Constitution. 

1013
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,600
To them, it's an impediment to 
whatever the Israeli lobby wants

1014
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,560
or whatever they, their donors 
want. 

1015
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,520
And they just want to remove it,
get around it, subvert it or 

1016
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,000
just basically, you know, 
destroy it. 

1017
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,720
I mean, that's kind of where 
this administration's at. 

1018
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:39,200
I don't think this is very good 
for the Trump administration and

1019
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,800
certainly not good for America. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1020
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,480
Couldn't agree more. 
OK, back to the UK then And 

1021
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,680
well, everybody will be glad to 
know that a free chicken pox 

1022
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,800
vaccination is going to be 
offered for the first time to 

1023
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,320
children across England. 
That's via the NHS. 

1024
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,920
That's going to happen from 
January and their government is 

1025
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,520
saying that thousands of 
children are going to be 

1026
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,600
protected against chicken pox 
because of this new programme. 

1027
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,080
Now they're going to offer a 
combined vaccine for measles, 

1028
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:15,080
mumps, rubella and varicella. 
So this is MMRV now. 

1029
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,040
So it's going to be not a triple
vaccine, but a quad vaccine all 

1030
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:23,120
in one dose. 
And so that's as part of the 

1031
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,560
routine infant vaccination 
schedule. 

1032
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,560
And this apparently is going to 
mean that children are going to 

1033
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,280
miss fewer days in nursery and 
school, while parents won't need

1034
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,000
to take time off work to care 
for them. 

1035
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,680
And they're saying that research
shows the chicken pox in 

1036
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,960
childhood results in an 
estimated 24,000,000 lbs in lost

1037
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,160
income and productivity every 
year in the UK. 

1038
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,400
That's going to save the NHS 
£15,000,000 a year in cost. 

1039
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,520
Is it? 
How much is the vaccine going to

1040
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,280
cost? 
Anyway, So what? 

1041
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,680
They're leaving out one stat, 
Mike. 

1042
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,320
How much is the Pharmaceutical 
industry going to profit off 

1043
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,560
this? 
Precisely, right. 

1044
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,440
So that's the point. 
But we don't need to worry 

1045
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,960
because the chicken pox 
vaccine's been safely used for 

1046
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,040
decades. 
It hasn't been safely used for 

1047
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,000
decades as part of MMR, right? 
So, So what we're doing here is,

1048
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:14,080
is trying to suggest that 
there's a set a safety track 

1049
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,000
record for for something that's 
didn't previously exist. 

1050
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,600
Right. 
And and is this a new outbreak? 

1051
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,720
Is this a new virus, the chicken
pox virus? 

1052
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,720
Is it brand new? 
Must be brand new. 

1053
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,720
I mean, I don't remember chicken
pox parties when I was a child. 

1054
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,280
Don't remember those at all. 
And how many? 

1055
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,160
How many they must They must be 
rolling this out because it's a 

1056
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,360
deadly virus, right? 
How many children have died from

1057
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,080
chicken pox over the last 100 
years? 

1058
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,280
Well, I don't understand your 
cynicism here, Patrick, because 

1059
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,200
the government says this is 
going to result in the 

1060
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,120
healthiest generation of 
children ever. 

1061
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,720
Is the number of children that 
have died of chicken pox? 

1062
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,000
Is it 0 or is it under 100 in 
the last 100 years? 

1063
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,400
Globally it's pretty low 
whatever the number is, I would 

1064
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,800
think so. 
Why do you need to be vaccinated

1065
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,120
against something as an 
incubation period of a couple of

1066
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,520
days? 
Because apparently, according to

1067
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,440
the press release, this is going
to protect children from serious

1068
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,200
complications that can cause 
hospitalisation, such as 

1069
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,200
bacterial infections like strep 
a, brain and lung inflammation 

1070
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,240
and stroke. 
Children having strokes. 

1071
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,120
This is also new news. 
I haven't heard about this 

1072
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,400
before. 
How often does that happen? 

1073
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:26,320
Is it a number between zero and 
zero and and one or maybe range 

1074
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,400
of probability children's having
strokes from chicken pox? 

1075
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,480
I mean, this is new. 
This is a great scientific 

1076
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,520
discovery. 
This is right up there with, you

1077
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,040
know, alien life on another 
planet. 

1078
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,360
I mean, this is just, I'm so in 
awe of the Pharmaceutical 

1079
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,440
industry. 
Well, what they've done to the 

1080
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,480
government for sure. 
Is incredible. 

1081
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,360
Acting as propagandists. 
But I believe we do have a good 

1082
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,560
news story and. 
And the reason is, Mike, is 

1083
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,680
we're so tired of the complaints
and the whining in the chat 

1084
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,440
rooms that UK call them so 
negative. 

1085
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,720
You guys never have anything 
positive. 

1086
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,280
It's just all scrolling at the 
UK com. 

1087
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,560
It's war, it's viruses, it's 
scandals, it's corruption. 

1088
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,640
And when are you going to do a 
feel good story? 

1089
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,480
Well, I'm going to change that 
today. 

1090
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,080
We have got a feel good story 
and in fact this could be the 

1091
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,560
beginning of something special, 
a feel good story. 

1092
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,080
This will be the feel good story
of the day or you can say of the

1093
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,080
week or whatever. 
So we're going to leave you 

1094
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,440
something for the weekend that's
going to make you feel 

1095
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,480
definitely feel good. 
It's going to put a smile on 

1096
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,000
your face and a spring in your 
step. 

1097
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,320
Here it is right here. 
And this is from the Blaze. 

1098
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,440
This is John Bolton as you can 
see coming out emerging from the

1099
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,680
bushes there. 
The Blaze media. 

1100
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,280
That's that is not an LGBT 
website. 

1101
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,000
That's Glenn Beck's website, if 
you're confused by the name. 

1102
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,320
But we finally have an idea of 
why John Bolton is in hot water 

1103
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,960
and the factor that could bring 
things to boil. 

1104
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,040
What's going on there He is. 
That's the pensive profile shot 

1105
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,160
John Bolton. 
Trump's former advisor Arch Neo 

1106
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,400
Con, is reportedly under 
investigation for allegedly 

1107
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,360
mishandling classified 
information. 

1108
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,840
If held to his own standard, 
then his days as a free man 

1109
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,440
might be numbered. 
So yes, you've read that right, 

1110
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,480
folks. 
John Bolton going. 

1111
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,440
To prison. 
He could end up in the clink for

1112
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,800
the very thing. 
And so obviously this is a 

1113
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,640
retribution by Trump because 
during the Mar a Lago raid, John

1114
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,480
Bolton was all over MSNBC and 
Jen Pasaki show saying that 

1115
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,680
Trump is harbouring and, you 
know, stealing classified 

1116
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,200
information, hiding it at Mar a 
Lago. 

1117
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,560
So I mean, Trump's getting 
revenge here on John Bolton. 

1118
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:45,600
And but but let's be honest, is 
anybody upset to see John 

1119
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,160
Bolton, his home getting raided 
and his office is getting raided

1120
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,160
this week? 
I can't see many people that 

1121
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,600
would sort of, I think a lot of 
people be smiling at that. 

1122
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,120
Hence that's why that's the feel
good story of the day. 

1123
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,440
Thank you very much. 
Hopefully that makes the weekend

1124
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:02,800
a lot better for a lot of 
people. 

1125
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,440
Thank you, Patrick, thanks to 
everybody that's joined us 

1126
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,200
today. 
We will be back in a few 

1127
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,000
minutes. 
If you are AUK column member for

1128
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,480
some UK column News Extra, if 
you're not a member, please 

1129
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,360
consider joining because you're 
missing a lot. 

1130
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,040
And well, have a great weekend. 
If you're not joining us and 

1131
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,480
we'll see you at 1:00 PM as 
usual on Monday. 

1132
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,800
See you then. 
Bye bye.