1 00:00:08,420 --> 00:00:10,740 Good afternoon. It's Friday the 16th of January 2 00:00:10,740 --> 00:00:13,620 2026, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News. 3 00:00:13,620 --> 00:00:16,660 I'm your host, Mike Robinson. My hosting studio today is 4 00:00:16,660 --> 00:00:18,300 Patrick Henickson. Welcome to the programme, 5 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:19,700 Patrick. Great to be with you, Mike. 6 00:00:20,060 --> 00:00:22,660 And we'll be joined once again by Basil Valentine today. 7 00:00:22,660 --> 00:00:24,700 Now, later in the programme, we're going to be covering the 8 00:00:25,060 --> 00:00:27,940 what's described as the new technocratic Board of Peace for 9 00:00:27,940 --> 00:00:30,980 Gaza, the use of the Insurrection Act in the United 10 00:00:30,980 --> 00:00:33,900 States and of course, Greenland. But we're going to begin today, 11 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:37,400 Patrick, with the use of the various Palestine action related 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,400 court actions as a mechanism to attack everyone's right to a 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,800 jury trial here in the UK. Such an important precedent 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,440 we'll bring this graphic up on screen here under threat trial 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,960 by jury. And it's just my incredible to 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,200 me that this issue of Palestine Action is being used by the 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,240 state or it appears that way to basically undercut the the use 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,560 of juries in the UK. First with these speed trials to 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,600 do all these mass arrests with, without a jury, 20 minute 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,160 trials. And now we get to the actual 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,040 core, which is the independence of the jury. 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,720 And Mike, the also the issue of jury nullification is also an 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,200 important part of this. All of these things are hinging 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,400 on this issue with Palestine Action. 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,440 So Mike, if you think that this doesn't affect you because you 26 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,600 don't support or you don't sympathise or you have no 27 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,680 interest in this issue at all regarding the proscription of 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,120 Palestine Action and these story which we're about to cover, 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,160 you're probably making a big mistake if you're living in 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,360 Britain because it is fundamental what the decisions 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,880 being made and using these people in this organisation are 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,800 actually being used to undercut everyone, jury trials. 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,280 So it is important, you need, you do need to take an interest 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,000 in this issue. So, but just to bring us up to 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,680 date, how did this begin? It's important that we just give 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,240 you an important update here, very important update here. 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,600 The three Palestine Action protesters and their hunger 38 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,840 strikes. These are the three remaining 39 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,160 hunger strikers. They have now ceased their 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,560 hunger strike and we'll tell you why in a moment here. 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,360 So these are the three. Louis Charmelo, he is diabetic, 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,120 so he's alternating day's hunger strike. 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,520 But Hebba Moreasi and Cameron Ahmed, they also have withdrawn 44 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,560 their hunger strike. Now. 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,720 Now, Hebba, in the 773rd day, Mike, that's the exact amount of 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,960 time that Kieran O'doherty in 1991 reached the longest hunger 47 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,480 striker before, I believe. I'm not sure. 48 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,440 Did he pass away or not? I'm not sure, but nonetheless, 49 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,160 just just put this in perspective, Mike. 50 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:50,520 The the the earliest in terms of the hunger striking was 46 days 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,440 back in 81. Just this is an exceptional 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,520 event and I think people need to pay attention to that, but we'll 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,040 back up on screen here. So here, here's the the gist of 54 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,160 this, and this is the important part. 55 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,440 These three prisoners announced the end of their hunger strike 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,560 after the government, the UK government decided not to award 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,600 a £2 billion contract to the Israeli arms company subsidiary 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,720 Elbit Systems UK. So, so they're saying that the 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,360 US, the UK government cancelling that contract. 60 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Seems to be. Grounds for them to end their 61 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:26,240 hunger. Strike. 62 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,960 Well, that was one of their key demands, wasn't it? 63 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,600 This is one of their key demands and also they're being treated 64 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,160 as terrorists even though Mike, when they were arrested in 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,080 August 2024, Palestine action was not proscribed at that time 66 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,040 by the UK government, yet they're being treated and 67 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,640 incarcerated like terrorists. So, but what's amazing, when we 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,120 go to the BBC, that was the Guardian there and you go, we'll 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,040 bring the BBC here. This is their article, Mike. 70 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,280 I searched and I searched. I went down. 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,920 I read this three times. No mention of Elbit Systems or 72 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,400 the government basically falling on their sword regarding this 73 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,800 and cancelling this $2 billion contract. 74 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,960 This is the home and legal correspondent Dominic Casgiani, 75 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,600 and he doesn't somehow mention the government $2 billion 76 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,080 contract, which is the reason they stopped the hunger strike 77 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:13,520 or Elbit. Systems. 78 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,279 So this is the BBC. What? 79 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:18,839 What exactly is going on here? Nothing. 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,160 The BBC has left out the most important part of the story and 81 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,960 why? Well here no mention of the BBC 82 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,480 and and Elbit systems the cancellation of this contract. 83 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,840 So we have to I put this through a new AI bot that we're working 84 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,680 on here, Mike, this is the Joseph Stalin or we're called 85 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,320 the Uncle Joe AI translator. And this is what Uncle Joe said. 86 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,680 Uncle Joe translation state propaganda, Oregon shielding 87 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,640 government apparatchiks not wanting to publicly. 88 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Admit defeat. That's according to our new 89 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,600 chatbot. Thank you, Uncle Joe. 90 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,800 And this brings us to Craig Murray here now. 91 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,880 Craig Murray, Mike, they've delayed the judicial review on 92 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,520 on their proscription of Palestinian action. 93 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,640 Craig Murray's putting a challenge in the Scottish courts 94 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,720 directly and he's making incredible headway here. 95 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,760 And I do encourage people to go to Craig Murray's website, a 96 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,040 step towards sanity. And this is directly tied to the 97 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,520 main story here, which will bring on to the screen in just a 98 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,160 moment. And this is very well summarised 99 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,600 by Jonathan Cook. We'll get Basil Valentine's 100 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,880 commentary on this. So the, the barrister for the, 101 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:35,040 the the defendants here, he has basically, he's basically in the 102 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,840 crosshairs of the judge on this issue. 103 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,560 So he this is the dramatic point of the trial. 104 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:45,120 At one point the trial, the jury member sent a note to the judge, 105 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,360 Mr Justice Johnson, asking this very question. 106 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,560 If we decide that they, the defendants, genuinely believe 107 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,520 that they were performing life saving action and were morally 108 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,160 compelled to destroy these weapons, they believed they were 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,880 going to be used to kill civilians in what they believed 110 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,720 to be an illegal genocide, would that amount to a lawful excuse? 111 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,800 And here it was the response the judge who repeatedly stifled 112 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,080 efforts by the defence to air evidence of Elbit Systems 113 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,400 involvement and genocide, answered that the jury must not 114 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,760 take into account such lawful such a lawful excuse in the 115 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,320 judges words. There is no evidence in this 116 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,640 case of any that is capable in law of amounting to a lawful 117 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,120 excuse. So that is not something that 118 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,960 you need to consider. Now this is where things got 119 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:42,920 even more interesting and this is the KC Rajiv Menon and this 120 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,760 is where he entered the story. He made a rousing defence of the 121 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,600 rights of juries to reject judicial interference and of 122 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,320 their right to make up their own minds based on guilt and on 123 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,000 factors that might mitigate guilt. 124 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,160 And he does so at the very moment when Starmer and his 125 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,480 ministers are seeking to eradicate the principle of jury 126 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,800 trials. Everything hinges on this case. 127 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,320 I want to go to Basil Valentine in a moment, but Mike Starmer, 128 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,800 they really need convictions here to justify the prescription 129 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,640 of Palestine action. That's what Jonathan Cook says. 130 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,840 And I think, I think that's a fair assessment. 131 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,640 So I mean, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not AKC, I'm not a judge, but it 132 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,840 seems to me that the comments by Rajiv Menon are absolutely 133 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,760 appropriate. This judge, if he is directing 134 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,840 the jury, he is not giving the jury the chance to make up their 135 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,280 own minds. And and of course you talked 136 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,400 about a normal by jury earlier on. 137 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,040 That is key here because of course the jury has the right to 138 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,920 decide whether under this set of circumstances this was not a 139 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,960 crime. And of he is, he is effectively 140 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,680 by by making that definitive statement and the way that he 141 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,920 has, he has removed the ability that the right of the jury to 142 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,240 annul bad legislation that that is, that is a step too far in my 143 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,680 opinion. But I'm I'm not legally 144 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,040 qualified. I've got to stress. 145 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,000 Well, I think Basil Valentine has some historical perspective 146 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,840 on this. Basil, we're going to bring you 147 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,000 on right now. Basil, your, your thoughts on, 148 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,800 on this. This is absolutely, I think a 149 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,800 pivotal moment perhaps in, in, in legal history in Britain. 150 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,880 Is that an understatement? Yeah, I mean, the right trial by 151 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,360 jury goes all the way back to 1670 and the key case where 152 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,120 jurors were imprisoned but nevertheless brought back 153 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,320 verdict, which was contrary to what the judge wished the, you 154 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,960 know, one of the key defendants. Mr Penn then went on to America 155 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,640 to found the great state of Pennsylvania so interesting that 156 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,440 you know 355 years of precedent is about to be overturned if 157 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,640 this government has its way now. There's been a lot of tension in 158 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,640 the case at Woolwich Crown Court, with the judge I'm 159 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:09,040 indebted to of all media organisations, The face the 160 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,560 1980s music and fashion magazine. 161 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:16,120 It has found away the best reportage on what's been 162 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,000 happening there this week and it is extraordinary. 163 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Worth pointing out that corporate media seem to be 164 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,360 completely ignoring the fact that so much hinges on this 165 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,040 case, including the prescription of Palestine action as a 166 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,040 terrorist organisation. It would appear that the judges 167 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,760 on that panel are waiting for a verdict in these cases to see 168 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,600 whether or not they can use them to bolster a case for 169 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:46,160 prescribing. So it's a very, we get into very 170 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,280 detailed legal arguments. As you said, Patrick, the judge 171 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,520 ruled out a justification defence, basically that the jury 172 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,840 could find the defendants not guilty even though they'd 173 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,320 committed a crime. But the concept of jury equity 174 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,120 remains. Juries are entitled to find 175 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:14,800 defendants not guilty and the judge cannot direct the jury as 176 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:20,200 to their findings. This is the key point that the 177 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,080 defendants KC made. Judges are not allowed to tell a 178 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,600 jury what the verdict should be. Otherwise, what would be the 179 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,600 point of having the jury? We can see clearly here. 180 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,080 If there was no jury, it's highly likely that the judge 181 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,400 would find against the defendants, but they're entitled 182 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:47,160 to make up their own mind. So an awful lot of, you know, a 183 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:52,680 lot of hinges on this decision. The jury retired on Tuesday of 184 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:54,480 this week to consider their verdicts. 185 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,040 We may get them back piece meal one by one on individual counts 186 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,520 and individual cases, or they may come back and return 187 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,920 verdicts on all the charges against all six simultaneously. 188 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,280 We simply don't know. Those verdicts could come today. 189 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,400 They could come next week. All depends on how long the jury 190 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,000 feel they need to deliberate. What's interesting, I'll go to 191 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,320 you in a minute, Mike, but unlike your comment on this as 192 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,680 well, Mike, but to to Mike and Basil Samuel Cornor at this, 193 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,840 everything seems to hinge on this particular individual. 194 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,280 He's the one accused of violent sledgehammer attack that hit 195 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:36,520 either intentionally or inadvertently a law enforcement 196 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,320 officer on site. And this they would have to 197 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,000 prove that this was intentional and it wasn't just the result of 198 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,320 an ensuing brawl. And this is a defence that's 199 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,280 usually brought in for football hooligan fights and things like 200 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,400 that, if you look at past cases. So, but but by doing that, if 201 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,640 they can, if they, if they get a conviction based on some kind of 202 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,000 a premeditated aggravated burglary, violent disorder that 203 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,920 has intention attached to it, then that fits the proscription 204 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,360 of Palestine Action as a violent terrorist organisation as it. 205 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,600 Were so it is so much hinging on the technicalities of this case, 206 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,160 Mike? Yeah. 207 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,320 Well, I mean, what I would say about that, Patrick, is, you 208 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:24,040 know, this is if, if the case against that guy is proven, then 209 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,680 that would be the first, as far as I'm aware, the first 210 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,920 conviction for any kind of violent action. 211 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,240 But we're not talking about, we're not talking about guns and 212 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,560 bombs here. We're not even talking about 213 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,200 petrol bombs or you know, or so on, but the traditional 214 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,800 terrorist paraphernalia. We're talking about something 215 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,720 that was brought on site in order to do damage to the, to 216 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,680 the physical apparatus of Elbit Systems. 217 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:50,120 It was not intended to damage, at least it's not proven yet 218 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,040 that it was intended to do damage to any individual. 219 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,840 So, but nonetheless, that's one case does it is, is that what it 220 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,760 takes to become a terrorist organisation? 221 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,640 Not at 1 case, but but you know, Basil said there that it's 222 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,680 highly likely that the judge would find a guilty verdict. 223 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,720 I think the judge in what he said and the way that he 224 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,480 expressed what he said to the jury has has absolutely made his 225 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,080 position clear. He he considers that there is no 226 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,640 justification for the action that they took. 227 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,160 So I think it's more than just likely that he would if if there 228 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,000 if there was no jury in the in the case that he would find them 229 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,000 guilty. And the problem here is that 230 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,240 juries are inconvenient for the government these days, not that 231 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,480 they're trying to justify the restriction on the use of juries 232 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,480 because of the length of time that, you know, the backlog that 233 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,520 there is in the court system. But it's not just that the the 234 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:49,560 fact is that juries, you know, often find against you, find in 235 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:51,240 ways that that governments don't like. 236 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,360 And that, I think is the main driver for wanting to get rid of 237 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,880 them. Oh, this case is definitely an 238 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,040 example of that. The state would prefer with his 239 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,120 current politics, would prefer no jury or a non independent 240 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,040 jury, a jury that couldn't make a decision on its own, common 241 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,120 law volition as it were. That's really what's at stake. 242 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,880 I want to bring Basil on in a moment. 243 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,600 But before that, let's look at. This is the part part of the 244 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,760 speech here. This is again serialise that 245 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Jonathan Cook's Substack. Everybody support Jonathan Cook, 246 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,720 one of the great independent journalists in the in in Britain 247 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,640 and in the world, quite frankly at this moment. 248 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,360 But here's the important part. And he's he's addressing members 249 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,840 of the jury. You can find Charlotte and her 250 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,200 Co defendants not guilty of criminal damage. 251 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,480 It is a perfectly fair and proper verdict for you to return 252 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,360 in this case. Please don't think for one 253 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,880 moment that you're somehow barred as a matter of law from 254 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,200 doing so. And it goes and Craig Murray 255 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,240 said this is one of the most important speeches that he's 256 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,480 ever seen in his life, moments in sort of legal history and 257 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,360 precedent here. And I and Jonathan Cook includes 258 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,160 this mic and this is a placard here. 259 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,720 And I'll read this if you can't read the Old English. 260 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,920 It says near this site. William Penn and William Mead 261 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,480 were tried in 1670 for preaching to an unlawful assembly in. 262 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,560 Grace Church St Talking about Quake, a Quaker meeting at the 263 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,600 time. This tablet commemorates the 264 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,480 courage and endurance of the jury. 265 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,160 Thomas Veer, Edward Bushel and ten others who refused to give a 266 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,360 verdict against them, although locked up without food for two 267 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,080 nights and were fined for their final verdict of not guilty. 268 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,040 The case of these jurymen was reviewed. 269 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,080 On a writ of habeas corpus, and the Chief Justice Vaughn 270 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,320 delivered the opinion of the Court, which established the 271 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,680 right of juries to give their verdict according to their 272 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,800 convictions. So important and again if. 273 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,240 You want to read? More about this case we direct 274 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,080 you here and I'm not plugging Jeff Bezos, but it is available 275 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,320 on Amazon. The trial of William Penn and 276 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,600 William Mead for causing a Talmud and the Old Bailey, 277 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,440 etcetera, 1670 And I want to go back to you, Basil, just 278 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,880 briefly. Basil, just briefly. 279 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,160 You know, people who don't identify with this issue because 280 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,840 they don't support the Palestinian cause but might 281 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,880 identify as, quote, patriots, they seem to be wildly 282 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,320 disinterested in this issue at all. 283 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,600 When in fact, you have a Pakistani or I don't know if 284 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,760 he's a Muslim. KC defending the fundamentals of 285 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,680 common law in England, again, is extraordinary. 286 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,880 But this cuts right through race and identity politics. 287 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,720 It gets right to the fundamentals of a free society. 288 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,800 Basil, go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. 289 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,640 You would think that all the Conservatives and 290 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,560 constitutionalists would be all over this case. 291 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,920 We don't have a written constitution in Britain. 292 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,520 It is defined very largely by precedent. 293 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,760 And the 1670 case is one of the most important precedents in the 294 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,560 whole of British law. And now, as I say, unwritten 295 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,800 constitution. This particular trial is taking 296 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,839 place with the jury and with the terrorism, the whole use of the 297 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:08,800 terrorist legislation hanging over the defendants for the 298 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:14,760 first time in six months time. A similar case could be bought 299 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:20,760 with no jury if David Lammy has his way, and with the defendants 300 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,359 predefined as terrorists. We're then in a very, very 301 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,119 different place. So it could be, of course we 302 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,640 hope not, that this is the last trial of its type where 303 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,120 defendants are not assumed to be terrorists and defined as such 304 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:40,440 in law, and where they have the right to a jury trial. 305 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,640 Both those things could disappear if the government have 306 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,640 their way. Very important. 307 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,760 So, so much changes on this and Basil, just on the back end of 308 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,640 this, we want to get your comment here. 309 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,240 Tribunal finds no basis for misconduct in General Medical 310 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,840 Council GMC case against Doctor Abu Sita. 311 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,640 Explain to us the significance of this finding this week. 312 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,160 Well, I mean, it's, you know, really extraordinary that Doctor 313 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,600 Abu Sita had to go through this process. 314 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:19,240 He described lawyers for UKLFIUK, lawyers for Israel as 315 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,520 trying to destroy his life. And it would appear that they 316 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,600 are, they're trying to paint him as inherently violent because he 317 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:33,000 is simply of Arabian extraction. But it's really just the tip of 318 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,480 the iceberg. I mean, I'm pleased to say in 319 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,680 this case, the tribunal found that there was nothing anti 320 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,200 Semitic about anything he'd said or written or done. 321 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,080 But of course, the process is the punishment. 322 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,880 And UK lawyers for Israel are well funded and, you know, keep 323 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,640 bringing these vexatious cases against not just him, but dozens 324 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,360 of others. We're Streeting posted online 325 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:02,560 about now the imposition of the IHRA definition on the health 326 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,520 service across the broad, primarily to silence doctors 327 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,440 from, you know, speaking their minds about the genocide and 328 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,880 particularly Britain's complicity in it. 329 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:17,320 So what Streeting is trying to do, what the government trying 330 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:23,560 to do, is stop people from simply stating the facts about 331 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,520 Israel's genocide and Britain's role in it. 332 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,520 If you work in the NHS, you're not allowed to do so. 333 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,760 You'll end up before one of these tribunals. 334 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,080 And so this, it's incredible, you have all of these NGOs, stop 335 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,400 hate, there's a whole bevvy of these. 336 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,680 And you know, I think it's lawyers for Israel, these 337 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,400 different organisations. It's starting to be recognised 338 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,520 by some of these judicial bodies or tribunal bodies as being 339 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,840 vexatious litigants, Basil. In other words, there's a 340 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,640 possibility that they might now be sort of blacklisted, if you 341 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,440 will, from bringing these spurious cases, vexatious cases. 342 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,400 Just briefly, final comment, Basil. 343 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,840 Yes, it's to be hoped so. The key thing is the judicial 344 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,240 review, the legal challenge to the imposition of the IHRA 345 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,440 definition on the NHS as being fundamentally anathema to the 346 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,040 right to freedom of speech. There's a crowd funder for that. 347 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,120 We sincerely hope it succeeds because at the moment there are 348 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:32,160 people in the GMC staff who are now being forced to use the IHRA 349 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,280 definition, which we haven't got time to go into detail here, but 350 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,800 basically means that any meaningful criticism of Israel 351 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:45,360 and its actions is deemed as beyond the pale and means that 352 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,360 you will be in the crosshairs of disciplinary action. 353 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:53,560 So that's got to be overturned. You know, where streeting is 354 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,760 very firmly the property of the Zionist lobby in the UK is not 355 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,400 acting on behalf of the British people. 356 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,640 He's acting on behalf of the foreign government. 357 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,680 Thank you, Basil Valentine, Mike. 358 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,280 Absolutely, thank you. Well, let's let's just have a 359 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,000 quick look at what's going on with Gaza at the moment, because 360 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,760 Donald Trump yesterday announced on true social, let's bring it 361 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,200 up on screen, that the Gaza Board of Peace has been formed. 362 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,760 It's my great honour, he said, to announce that the Board of 363 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,880 Peace has been formed. The members of the board will be 364 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,800 announced shortly, but I can say with certainty that it's the 365 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,160 greatest and most prestigious board ever assembled at any 366 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,360 time, any place. Thank you for your attention on 367 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,960 this matter. So that's what he wrote on Truth 368 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,680 Social Now on Wednesday. Steve Witkoff posted on X today 369 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,200 on behalf of President Trumper announcing the launch of phase 370 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,480 two of the President's 20 point plan to end the Gaza conflict, 371 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,320 moving from ceasefire to demilitarisation, technocratic 372 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,120 governments and reconstruct governance and reconstruction. 373 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:56,080 Phase two establish, as he says, a trans transitional 374 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,320 technocratic Palestinian administration in Gaza. 375 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,400 What does he mean by using that term? 376 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Technocratic he means non democratic he means effectively 377 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,280 a colonial administration, administrative government. 378 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,680 So who's going to be the viceroy of of Gaza, Mike, There's a few 379 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,000 candidates vying for that. We. 380 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,520 Will come on to that in one second. 381 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,320 I'm just going to also mention this because on Wednesday as 382 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,080 well, Egypt, Qatar and Turkey released a joint statement also 383 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,200 using the term technocratic, announcing that Ali Shath, a 384 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,840 former Palestinian Authority official, had been selected to 385 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,440 lead the Palestinian Technocratic committee charged 386 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,680 with administrating the Gaza Strip. 387 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,360 So who else is involved? Well, Political tells us, citing 388 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,560 an unnamed source, that the board will consist of the heads 389 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,280 of state of around 9 countries. So that's the United States, 390 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,080 United Kingdom, Italy, Germany, Turkey, Qatar, Egypt, UAE and 391 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,240 Jordan. And while they say former 392 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,200 British Prime Minister Tony Blair was initially expected to 393 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,000 be included, he has since stepped down from the position. 394 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,280 However, it's not quite that simple. 395 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,200 Political claims that Blair will serve on an executive committee 396 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,840 attached to the Board of Peace, which will also include Steve 397 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,400 Witkoff and Jared Kushner amongst others. 398 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,200 And well, ever dripping with irony, the British regime in its 399 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,560 statement said the UK has been consistently clear that the 400 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,120 future of Gaza, the Gaza must be Palestinian LED, which is why 401 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,160 it's got to be Tony Blair, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner. 402 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,720 I mean, could they do better, Patrick? 403 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,800 Bring that picture of Blair back up on screen. 404 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,080 Just a moment, please. It's too bad Mike, there's not a 405 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,160 safe and effective job for TB in Gaza. 406 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,200 That's what we hope anyway. We hope for these things. 407 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,520 No, to be clear, Mike, the bring that off screen, not to 408 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,000 traumatise the audience any further. 409 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,400 But Mike, Phase 1 isn't finished. 410 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,160 Phase one is the ethnic cleansing, is the is the 411 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,320 genocide, the extermination of the Palestinian, the native 412 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,800 Palestinian population? And the ethnic cleansing of any 413 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,520 survivors? Big Make no mistake, Israel's 414 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,960 been very clear that that's their phase one. 415 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,280 And they're not finished with that yet, right? 416 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,440 So I think just put that into perspective so people read 417 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,200 through the propaganda. Baz, Olivier, any brief thoughts 418 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,280 on this? It just goes from bad to worse, 419 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,240 doesn't it? I mean, my understanding, let's 420 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,240 always recenter the suffering of the Palestinian people because 421 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,000 the conditions on the ground in Gaza are as bad as ever. 422 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,560 There's been no meaningful ceasefire. 423 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,520 It's merely the rate at which Palestinians are exterminated 424 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,200 has slowed down somewhat. But, you know, children have 425 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,040 been freezing to death. Nothing like the amount of aid 426 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,960 has come into the country. Dozens of people have been 427 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:48,080 killed by buildings collapsing, having previously been badly 428 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,480 damaged. And the yellow line keeps 429 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,280 advancing so that Palestinians are crammed into ever smaller 430 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,200 space and all that, completely ignored by the corporate media. 431 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:03,320 We only ever hear about Gaza in the corporate media when it's an 432 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,120 announcement like this about the imposition of government on the 433 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,520 beleaguered people by Western powers. 434 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Thank you, Basil. 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But if you're AUK column member, 466 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,840 please join us at 7:00 PM on Monday. 467 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,880 OK, let's move on then to the question of insurrection 468 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,920 Patrick, because well, this went out on Truth Social on 469 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,280 yesterday. In fact, was it yesterday? 470 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,560 Yes, it was the if the corrupt politicians in Minnesota don't 471 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,080 obey the law and stop the professional agitators and 472 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,080 insurrectionists from attacking the patriots of ICE who are only 473 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,880 trying to do their job, I will institute the Insurrection Act, 474 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,720 which many presidents have done before me, and quickly put an 475 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,560 end to the travesty that has taken place in that once great 476 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,920 state. Is it true that many presidents 477 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,880 have brought in the Insurrection Act or called in the 478 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,080 Insurrection Act in the past? No, it's an extremely rare 479 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,600 occurrence, Mike. And it's been done in the past 480 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,520 for reasons very different, different than what we are 481 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,560 seeing here. And so that's one of the 482 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,000 problems with with this conversation as as you'll show 483 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,720 us and we have some video as well. 484 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,320 Yes, OK. Well, this was apparently 485 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,720 because a new wave of protests began in Minneapolis on the 486 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,360 evening of the 14th of January following another shooting by 487 00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:05,440 federal agents involving in this this case of Venezuelan national 488 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,280 on the north side of the city. This was the response from the 489 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,240 Minnesota governor, Tim Waltz. I'm making a direct appeal to 490 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,400 the president. Let's turn the temperature down. 491 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,680 Stop this campaign of retribution. 492 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,080 This is not who we are. And an appeal to Minnesotans. 493 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,840 I know this is scary. We can. 494 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,520 We must speak out loudly, urgently and also peacefully. 495 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,560 We cannot find the flames of chaos. 496 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000 That's what he wants. And he's referring to President 497 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,280 Trump. And it does. 498 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,880 I have to say, Patrick, it does, on the face of it, look like 499 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,920 that's what you know. There's definitely an attempt by 500 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,760 the federal government to fan the flames of this. 501 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,040 Yeah. The the language is increasingly 502 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,000 aggressive and, and heated and, and so this is bringing people 503 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,000 out on on the streets, but it's also making ICE agents behave 504 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,600 more and more oddly, it seems. Well, they're, they're giving a 505 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,120 a dog whistle from from the federal government. 506 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,960 They've been told they have immunity from prosecution so 507 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,960 they can commit any crimes. We've heard stories, Mike, with 508 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,680 their and we've seen as well in video, which will show you some 509 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,480 of them. They're ramming they're rear 510 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,080 ending cars because people won't get out of their cars. 511 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,120 They want to do random stop and searches to check people's 512 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,680 papers, see if they're U.S. citizens or not. 513 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,560 So they're ramming the back of people to get them to stop and 514 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,080 come out of the car and then they grab them. 515 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,560 So Donald Trump is sent 2000. He sent reinforcements as well. 516 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,280 So now 2500, roughly masked paramilitary agents who aren't 517 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,080 actual federal agents, but many of them have been hired through 518 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,480 recruitment agencies that deal with mercenaries and security 519 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,880 guards and things like that. And so these aren't real sort of 520 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,320 servants of the people, as it were. 521 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,000 They're basically hired guns, wearing masks and stopping 522 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,840 people at random, demanding to see their papers, demanding to 523 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,720 prove their ID. I I just see where this is 524 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,920 going. It's going to a very bad 525 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,720 destination. And then you didn't show the 526 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,920 other Trump tweet, which we could have shown what he's 527 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,960 saying. There's going to be retribution 528 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,480 to Minnesota for, you know, putting up resistance to what 529 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,640 looks like a federal invasion. And so funny, Mike, because of 530 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,720 the same people on the right that were defending the Bundy 531 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,720 family at Bundy Ranch for federal overreach. 532 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,760 And they went there and rallied to the support of the bunnies 533 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,320 because the federal government had no jurisdiction coming in 534 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,840 all guns blazing in that case. That was 10 years ago. 535 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,160 And now you see a total reversal, the right or cheering 536 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,360 on executive power. They're cheering on the federal 537 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,360 government even in the face of, you know, killing American 538 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,280 citizens, they're still cheering this on, which I find to be 539 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,800 extraordinary and just. Show you how dysfunctional US 540 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,880 politics is at the moment. Absolutely. 541 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,880 Well, on Tuesday, if we bring this on screen on Tuesday, 6 542 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,280 senior lawyers from the US Attorney's office in Minnesota 543 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,640 resigned along with four leaders of the Civil Rights division of 544 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,160 the Justice Department. The Minnesota, Minnesota 545 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,240 attorneys told the New York Times on screen at the moment 546 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,640 that they were outraged that instead of investigating the ICE 547 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,000 shooter in the recent killing, senior Justice Department 548 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,960 officials wanted to investigate the goods family. 549 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,200 And so they were also upset that the FBI was refusing to 550 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,680 cooperate with state level investigations. 551 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,680 And in the meantime, of course, Department of Homeland Security 552 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,480 Secretary Christy Norm is facing impeachment efforts as a result 553 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,840 of the ICE behaviour. The article, the impeachment 554 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,440 articles detail accusations against Norm, including 555 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,600 obstruction of Congress, violations of public trust and 556 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,560 self dealing. The allegations are that she 557 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,960 denied access to ICE facilities for Congress members, that she 558 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,320 misused funds for personal gain, and that she compromised public 559 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,920 safety and constitutional rights. 560 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,880 And this comes on top of the controversy over the podium that 561 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,480 she was standing behind earlier this week carrying the phrase 562 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:02,320 one of ours, all of yours. And that for the four came about 563 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,200 because of allegations that this was a Nazi linked slogan, or 564 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,560 perhaps linked the slogan was linked to the Civil War, the 565 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,520 Spanish Civil War. Sorry, the fact checkers were 566 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,680 out and forced to deny this. And I, I would ask why they 567 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,240 would begin to do that. But before we we before we ask 568 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,240 that question, let's just have a look at that, that video clip 569 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,040 that you were talking about, Patrick, because that's that's 570 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,480 we'll have a look at it and talk about it in a second. 571 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,880 Yeah, this is one of the most tame. 572 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,960 So Patrick, obviously the allegation over that podium sign 573 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840 was that this was somehow linked to Nazi behaviour during the 574 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:16,000 Second World War in in fact, you know, as I said, the fact 575 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,720 checkers have been out if we bring the Fact Check article on 576 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,440 screen again just for a second, they've been out to to make it 577 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,880 clear this is not a phrase from Nazi Germany, but. 578 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,120 What does it mean then? Well, we'll come on to that. 579 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,080 My question is why are the fact checkers so keen to do this? 580 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,800 Because they all hit Trump, don't they? 581 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,800 At least they've taken a very anti Trump position previously. 582 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,840 But so why are the Russian to his defence now? 583 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560 What could it be? That it's not for his benefit 584 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,680 that they've been quick to act? Could it be that this slogan 585 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,880 represents the policy of Israel, which has been imported into the 586 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,600 United States and they're now openly, you know, bragging about 587 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,520 it, Effectively, the policy of collective punishment, which is 588 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,400 which Israel is, has pursued for decades? 589 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,080 Because all the criticism of that comment was all about Nazi 590 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,400 Germany and Spanish Civil War. I didn't see anybody drawing 591 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,360 parallels with what Israel has been doing. 592 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,080 No. Well, it's it's common that 593 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,520 Israel would normally say 1 Israeli dies, we're going to 594 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,800 kill 1000 Palestinians or something to that effect. 595 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,400 It's a fascist, very authoritarian phrase. 596 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,840 One of ours, all of yours. There's no business being on a 597 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,679 government podium, let's be clear. 598 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,239 Not unless the government that you're looking at is 599 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,199 representing an ideology that is different to the one you think 600 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,080 it's representing. And we're starting to see more 601 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,320 and more that that is the case here, Mike, that this isn't, you 602 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,440 know, showing up and making a scene like that grab, having 603 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,560 people off the streets, you know, ramming cars, pulling 604 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,040 people out of cars and etcetera, demanding Americans show their 605 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,960 papers to prove that they're a citizen in a public space. 606 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,639 I mean, this is never, we've never seen this before in, in 607 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,040 the US. Maybe there was maybe 150 years 608 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,520 ago or something. But modern, modern times, no. 609 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,000 So it is highly disturbing and it speaks to, I think a federal 610 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,600 government, a Trump administration that believes 611 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,840 it's above the law, that believes that. 612 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,920 And he has mocked the Constitution in the past. 613 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,360 So he, you know, there's people are rightly saying he doesn't 614 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,120 have any respect for the Constitution or international 615 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,720 law, which he said this week that he doesn't need to. 616 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,840 Abide by international law and normally you see countries that 617 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,320 don't recognise international law tend to also not recognise 618 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,800 domestic law either historically, and I think the US 619 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,120 is now facing that problem. Basil, any thoughts? 620 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,120 Well, it speaks to the extreme polarisation in American 621 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,600 Society. Well, the sort of, you know, the 622 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,280 battle lines are really drawn between increasingly 623 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,200 authoritarian and violent oligarchy, of which Trump is the 624 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,040 current figurehead and a particularly erratic one, and 625 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,760 then the sort of the great mass of ordinary American people. 626 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,120 Theoretically, Trump got a mandate for all this from the 627 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,840 MAGA crowd, but MAGA has since fractured and cratered, and his 628 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,720 support is absolutely in the toilet. 629 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:12,040 But it just shows that, you know, the sort of civil society 630 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,360 that America was built on over the last 200 years is starting 631 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,040 to disintegrate. And yes, we do have to point out 632 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,080 that these ICE agents are trained in Israel, trained to 633 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,320 use deadly force, trained to regard protesters and what we 634 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,000 call civilians as the enemy. And that is a sea change in 635 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,240 societal behaviour. Thank you Basil for that. 636 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,960 OK, Patrick, let's move on then to Iran. 637 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,440 So a little, well, let's give you a very, very quick synopsis 638 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,800 of where we're at with this story. 639 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,920 We'll bring this up on screen. So destabilising Iran this is. 640 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,280 Exactly what the plan was and where we're at right now is that 641 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,640 there seems to be a low. We're we're told, Mike, that the 642 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,520 Trump administration has backed off strikes against Iran. 643 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,960 There were pre planned strikes against Iran. 644 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,920 We now know that these are been planned for weeks so and they 645 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,920 even the plan predated predated these so called protests or 646 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,520 demonstrations in which be really riots. 647 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,200 That's some crystal ball he's got right there. 648 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,960 In Tehran, and it is pretty clear what happened here, Trump 649 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,480 telegraphed the plan. I think this was one of his 650 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,720 undoings. He said that if the regime, if 651 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,120 the mullahs shoot any protesters, we're going to come 652 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,240 in and intervene. So he said that early on. 653 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:30,680 And what? And then we find out Mike 654 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,760 Pompeo, former CIA director, admits that Mossad is on the 655 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,600 ground around stirring up the protests and the Israeli press, 656 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,880 the Jerusalem Post also acknowledged this, as have other 657 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,720 Israel. 14 have acknowledged this. 658 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,440 They're both. They're boasting about the fact 659 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,360 that they were ginning up the violent riots that included 660 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,640 arson, burning of mosques, the murder of civilians and the 661 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,160 killing of 100 Iranian police. Now I don't know about you Mike, 662 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,240 but if there were, if there were foreign backed mobs in Britain 663 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,280 that killed 100 police officers, do you think that the state 664 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,560 would just be hands off and let the Democrats democracy mobs 665 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,400 flourish or would they just come down with the most incredible 666 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,600 heavy hand? Yes they would. 667 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,760 And in America too, but yet the American and the British 668 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,440 governments are saying and political leaders are saying, 669 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,640 oh, they, they, they're being hard handed, heavy handed with 670 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,440 these democracy protesters. So I think the game has been 671 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,960 given up here on this. So Trump claims, he's now 672 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,840 claiming credit for stopping the massacre that didn't happen. 673 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,240 Now, there's a lot of reports and we'll go through the 674 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,400 disinformation side with this, which to me is incredible. 675 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,520 But the let's just say Lindsey Graham, if you want an 676 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,560 indication that the attacks are definitely off. 677 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,480 I have never seen it so deflated Lindsey Graham as in this clip, 678 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,520 which to me is a pretty strong indication that there's going 679 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,080 there's not going to be a strike for now, for now. 680 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,520 But here's here is the the South Carolina Peach, Lindsey Graham. 681 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,200 There are a lot of headlines out there that are, in my view, not 682 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,320 accurate. President Trump's resolve is not 683 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,360 the question. Question is, and when we do an 684 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,280 operation like this, should it be bigger or smaller? 685 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,840 I'm in the camp a bigger time will tell. 686 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:26,440 I'm hopeful and optimistic that the regime days are numbered. 687 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,840 I've never seen him that. I mean, he's been totally high 688 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,680 on the the Venezuela OP right? Overthrowing the. 689 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,120 Overthrowing all these governments and then the to bomb 690 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,640 Iran. I mean, Lindsay's had such a 691 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,720 whirlwind of excitement over the last couple of weeks. 692 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,600 But as well as that, he's been anticipating dealing with Iran 693 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,920 for how long? Decades. 694 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,600 Maybe he wasn't. Part of his life's work. 695 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,440 Absolutely. And and he thought we were 696 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,080 finally going to get that. It's the legacy of John McCain, 697 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,840 his former close associate here. So, but where, where are all 698 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,760 these claims coming from about these massacres of Iranians? 699 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,360 And the number just keeps growing here. 700 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,600 But I point people to this article here. 701 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,280 We'll bring this up on screen. This is a great report by the 702 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,040 grey Zone. Western media whitewashes deadly 703 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,320 riots in Iran relying on U.S. government funded regime change 704 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,680 NGOs. Now this is incredible. 705 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,600 National Endowment for Democracy. 706 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,320 Which is really ACIA front. It's it's regarded as ACIA front 707 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,760 by many people. Let's just look drill down a 708 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,560 little closer into this situation here. 709 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,040 So you've seen the claims 2000 have been massacred by the 710 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,000 regime and then a few hours later it was 5000 and then later 711 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,640 that day it was 10,000. Then it next day it blew up to 712 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,720 20,000. I think it's probably at 50, 713 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,960 maybe 100,000 seems to be going up by like 20,000 every few 714 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,040 hours by the regime. And at every turn, you find 2 715 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,920 actors, the US, U.S. government and Israel, for example, 716 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,280 unconfirmed casualty numbers coming from Western, quote, 717 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,760 human rights activists organisations. 718 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,200 Here's one here, the Abdul Rahman Borroman Centre for Human 719 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,920 Rights in Iran. Well, it's not in Iran, Mike, is 720 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,040 it? It's, it's in the United States. 721 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,520 And here's another one. This is another one that's also 722 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,920 mentioned a lot. It was the centre for human 723 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,320 Rights in Iran. That's not actually in Iran, 724 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,960 that's actually New York City. And this is also an Ed cut out 725 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,080 organisation, Iran International News. 726 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,960 This has been admitted by former Israeli intelligence officers as 727 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,320 a clearing house for disinformation and Israeli 728 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,560 propaganda on Iran. And the the latter will show 729 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,520 there's other organisations here called the Human Rights Activist 730 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,200 News Agency. They were, they were doing anti 731 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:45,520 China, anti China campaigning, calling the Beijing Winter 732 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,520 Olympics, the genocide Olympics. That same organisation, they 733 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,400 were repurposed to work on Iran in the last couple of weeks 734 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,920 here, the Centre for Human Rights in Iran, we mentioned 735 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,000 that as well. So incredible here. 736 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,360 But here's this organ. You probably see a lot of this 737 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,080 Google is giving this priority on searches. 738 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,400 And again, this is admitted by Israeli intelligence officials 739 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,640 as being a disinformation hub for their propaganda, anti 740 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,240 propaganda activities as well. Just do a search here. 741 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:18,120 Iran human rights activist network or Iran human rights. 742 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,560 These are all Western based NGOs. 743 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,680 They're not in Iran and the same exact, like the same exact 744 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,720 formula was used for Syria. We had the Syrian Observatory 745 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,160 for Human rights. They use the same formula for 746 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,760 Venezuela. These are US based or or British 747 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,760 based or EU based human rights or. 748 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,880 Remind me who was behind the Syrian Observatory Human rights? 749 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,480 He was operating out of his bedroom. 750 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,280 Rami Abdul Rahman, above, a chip shop in Coventry. 751 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,120 Yes so but EU funded. That's not his real name, that 752 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,720 was his pseudo name. So. 753 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,800 Again, so, so all of the all of the Western influencers, Western 754 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,120 politicians are drawing off this propaganda and then repeating it 755 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,040 and they're all putting these videos up online. 756 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,600 But Nigel Farage was out on the street. 757 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,240 Now, Nigel doesn't like to opine on foreign policy issues unless 758 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:10,360 they except for boats coming over the Channel. 759 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,880 That's the extent of his foreign policy portfolio in terms of 760 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,840 commentary. But he's really engaged in this 761 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,880 regime change story on Iran. Here is Nigel Farage just the 762 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,760 other day. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, 763 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,600 it's in front of the Iranian embassy. 764 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,240 We'll roll this beautiful virgin, people. 765 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,080 You wonderful people, you freedom fighters, this time are 766 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:41,920 we going to win? We're going to win a terrible 767 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,360 price, a terrible price being paid. 768 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,560 I find many innocent people in every Iranian city right now. 769 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,520 But you've got to believe that this is the moment we. 770 00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,240 Really appreciate you. May God bless you may. 771 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:16,040 God bless Of you So this is new that Nigel Farage seems to be 772 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,480 taking a position on international affairs. 773 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,240 Well, he's taking a position, all right, Mike. 774 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,640 He took a position in front of the Iran royalty flag. 775 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,360 So he is effectively advocating for the return of a monarchy, 776 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,320 even if he didn't explicitly say it. 777 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,880 Those are all pro monarchists there in front of a monarchy 778 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,480 flag. And the monarch himself, the son 779 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,680 of the Shaw Reza Pahlavi junior, as it were. 780 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,560 He's on record as saying he doesn't know anybody in Iran 781 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,320 because he's lived his whole life in the suburbs of 782 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,400 Washington, DC and Los Angeles for the last 50 years. 783 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,560 So he himself is not popular. He doesn't actually have a 784 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,640 support base. So they're not going to take 785 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,880 power. It's just not going to happen. 786 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,360 And again, we're we're challenging all of these these 787 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,000 claims about these massacres by the quote regime, when in fact 788 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,520 we have more evidence, documented evidence that 789 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:11,120 Iranians, Iranian law enforcement and people trying to 790 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,920 basically stop arson and violence on the streets were 791 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,000 killed on mass. So again, the, the, the claims 792 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,000 of thousands of protesters slaughtered or executed or hung, 793 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,240 it just hasn't materialised. But the propaganda keeps 794 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,120 flowing. Here's a good example of it. 795 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,800 Another one from the West, probably from the United States, 796 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,040 probably involved in these organisations somehow. 797 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,720 And it's just, there's hundreds if not thousands of these 798 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:40,520 videos, many of them have been paid for which we'll show you. 799 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,280 These people are being paid activists, many of these. 800 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,000 But what here's Here's a typical one right here. 801 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,720 The equivalent of 49 elevens have happened in Iran in just 802 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,120 the last four days for contacts. The death toll of the last three 803 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,360 years of the Russia Ukraine war stands at 14,500. 804 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,160 The number of protesters killed by the Islamic Republic stands 805 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,600 at 12,000 in just the last four days. 806 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,800 These numbers are being confirmed by rights groups, 807 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,320 doctors working in Tehran's hospitals, and people who 808 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,880 recently left Iran. This number focuses only on 809 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,520 Tehran, the country's capital, not a sum of all of Iran's 31 810 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,960 provinces. Iran is going into day seven of 811 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,960 a total Internet blackout will only receive updated numbers 812 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,200 once the country is reconnected to the outside world. 813 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,200 The estimated number of those killed is said to be in the 10s 814 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,640 of thousands. This is a mass casualty event 815 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,760 that has been overwhelming Iran's hospitals. 816 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,960 Witnesses report regime forces shooting to kill using military 817 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,640 grade weapons and automatic machine guns typically reserved 818 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,040 for the IRGC. Witnesses also confirm that the 819 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,280 regime is shooting at anyone on the streets, whether you're a 820 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,080 protester or not. This means they're not 821 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,920 targeting, they're just shooting at random. 822 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,800 Doctors report receiving victims who have been shot in the face 823 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,080 and who have been shot at close range, including including the 824 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,680 elderly and teenagers. One witness sent a voice note 825 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,800 saying that when people go to retrieve bodies of their loved 826 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,600 ones from the morgue, they've been asked to pay an exorbitant 827 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,120 fee. This is another cruelty the 828 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,960 regime imposes on family members of protesters. 829 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,960 This person also said that they were asked Shidinishku, which 830 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,440 means where are the sweets, Where are the pastries and our 831 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,960 culture? When something good happens, 832 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,440 like you get a new job, you have a baby, you buy a house, people 833 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,640 ask you, oh, where are the pastries, shidinishku. 834 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,480 It's a celebratory thing. This is the evil with which the 835 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,560 regime treats Iranian people. They're asked it of people who 836 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,200 are coming to pick up the dead bodies of their loved ones. 837 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,600 Friend of my friend sent a message and said that her cousin 838 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,240 was shot in the face and is now dead. 839 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,920 We're reaching the point where every Iranian you know know 840 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,560 someone who has been killed or is friends with someone who 841 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,720 knows someone who has been killed. 842 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,160 Many of us are still unable to reach our loved ones. 843 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,160 The Islamic Republic is massacring civilians in real 844 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,640 time. They're shooting them in the 845 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,600 eyes with birdshot. They're shooting them in the 846 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,960 head at close range and leaving a trail of bodies and blood in 847 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,120 the streets. Please do not stay silent. 848 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,000 Please share what this regime is doing and please stand with the 849 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,160 people of Iran. So just just to be clear, Mike, 850 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,080 some of these are scripted because we have found videos 851 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,320 from different people reading the exact same talking points, 852 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,360 the exact same script. And what happened was, and it's 853 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,360 admitted the Israelis admit that they had agents on the ground, 854 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,640 probably the CIA, probably British intelligence were 855 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,360 involved as well. That's not being naive. 856 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,440 And then the Chinese helped to basically jam Starlink. 857 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,440 Musk sent thousands of Starlink terminals into Iran and the 858 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,680 Chinese jammed it and that's when the riots started to fizzle 859 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,560 out because they weren't able to coordinate and do all the things 860 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,520 they over the Internet. So that's incredible, so. 861 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,480 Well, just before you move on, I just want to make the point that 862 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,560 that the there's this story about an exorbitant fee being 863 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,680 charged for the recovery of bodies that was on the BBC News 864 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,560 front page today. So they're taking some of these 865 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,440 narratives themselves and promoting them. 866 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,120 And and exactly and notice what she said. 867 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,160 Like a friend of a friend called me and told me dot, dot, dot, 868 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,600 this is just like 40 beheaded babies. 869 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,760 So, and this is the same type of thing. 870 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,920 Oh, I know somebody who knew somebody's mass rape after 871 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,080 October 7th, etcetera. These, this is the propaganda 872 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,280 that's used to basically they want to pressure Trump to bomb 873 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,520 Iran. This is clear in all of the 874 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,680 messaging. So they think they could get out 875 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,600 of soft touch with Donald Trump on this issue. 876 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,640 So let's look at the funding briefly here. 877 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,160 Just quickly and many of you are already aware of this, Who are 878 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,960 the influencers? Israel is paying $7000. 879 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,200 Per post on X, so there's huge. Huge budgets, millions have been 880 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,000 allocated to the Ester project among many, as well as social 881 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,440 media influencer agencies that are basically paying young 882 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,280 influencers in the West to put out these videos that we need to 883 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,120 save the people of Iran. Trump, please bomb, please 884 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,840 intervene. We need to get rid of the 885 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,280 regime. 20,000 have been massacred. 886 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,760 There's mass rape. I even heard mass rape going on 887 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,800 in Iran. So it's the same type of 888 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,520 propaganda that we saw from the Israeli side before. 889 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,200 It's being repurposed, a massive operation. 890 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,880 They're spending 10s of millions, maybe hundreds of 891 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,800 1,000,000 on the total information warfare side of 892 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,720 this. And they've been, many of these 893 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:12,720 people are making, getting paid a lot of money to do this. 894 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,600 So please people, be be aware that everything you're seeing on 895 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,400 social media, a lot of it is completely engineered and it's 896 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,320 very expensive, expensive propaganda. 897 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,120 Okay, and well, I'll just very briefly mentioned that the 898 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,400 Plymouth Herald today has story saying that there's a major 899 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,480 protest planned for Plymouth as death toll rises. 900 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,600 So even in local media we're getting the same propaganda as 901 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,800 they're talking about thousands of people dying, Major. 902 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,080 Protest. Major protest planned. 903 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,240 I think that's probably going to be about it tomorrow. 904 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,680 But anyway, my point is this is being brought down absolutely to 905 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,200 the local level as as they try to push this now this it. 906 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,760 Looks like the royal flag as well. 907 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,120 Yes. So these are royalists? 908 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,280 Yes, Absolutely. Yes. 909 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,960 So how's the monarchy Democratic? 910 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,760 Well, that's another question. That's another question. 911 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000 OK, let's let's move on to Greenland then. 912 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,160 And well, here is a tweet and we're going to say that this is 913 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,400 according to Danish media, the this is showing the meeting 914 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,240 between Danish foreign minister and Donald Trump. 915 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,080 So that was a couple of days ago. 916 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,640 And this was on the request of Danish and Greenlandic governors 917 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,280 government, sorry, because they've had their first meeting 918 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,480 with Trump, but actually mainly with Janie Vance and also Marco 919 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,200 Rubio about this demand for Trump to take over Greenland. 920 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,360 And so they were represented by Lars Rasmussen, who's the Danish 921 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,520 foreign minister, and the Greenland foreign minister, 922 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,120 Vivian Modsfeld. And so the main message that 923 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,920 they were trying to get across after the meeting was the 924 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,200 meeting was held in a respective tone, that they and the United 925 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,200 States representatives agreed to disagree and to continue 926 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,680 discussions. And that a high level working 927 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,760 group was going to be set up to see if there was any way to 928 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,360 achieve some kind of agreement with respect to the security 929 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,240 concerns of the United States. While they say not crossing the 930 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:20,120 Kingdom of Denmark's red lines about maintaining the 931 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,920 sovereignty of its land. So I wonder, is the Kingdom of 932 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,760 Greenland in a position to have red lines? 933 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,360 Now it's reported that Rasmussen stressed that it was that sorry, 934 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,680 stressed that he and Motzalt were able to oppose the 935 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,720 narratives that Chinese and Russians pose. 936 00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,480 And then imminent threat to Greenland. 937 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,240 But that's quite strange because that's not the message he was 938 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,360 expressing during his comment to the press following the meeting. 939 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,840 Let's just have a brief listen to this. 940 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,720 But I must say that of course we share to some extent his 941 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,080 concerns. There's definitely a new 942 00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:00,040 security situation in the Arctic, in the high N All of us 943 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:06,240 transatlantic took the peace dividend years ago and we have 944 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,240 the vision of keeping Arctic as a low tension region. 945 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,320 So that doesn't seem to quite add up with with that. 946 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,720 But anyway, the President Trump's press secretary, Karen 947 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:21,760 Levitt, said on yesterday that the two sides agreed to 948 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,360 establish a working group, which you just mentioned he'll 949 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,640 continue to have technical, not that one, William, sorry, have 950 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,160 technical talks on the acquisition of Greenland? 951 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,400 The president has made his priority quite clear. 952 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,160 The US wants to acquire Greenland. 953 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,480 He thinks it's in our best interests for national security. 954 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,440 Since that, since the meeting, the headlines, of course, have 955 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,120 been full of this BBC article here of troop deployments to 956 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,000 Greenland. So we've got the BBC here. 957 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,640 We've also got CNBC here, Natal nations deployed to Greenland 958 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,200 after tense White House talks. Now, this is, you know, they're 959 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,640 using terms like deploy. They're hinting at something 960 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,080 serious. The situation is not quite as 961 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,160 the headlines would want us to believe. 962 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,840 What has actually happened is that small numbers of personnel 963 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,800 have gone to Greenland to take part in Operation Arctic 964 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,120 Endurance, which is a Danish LED NATO military exercise. 965 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,080 And now I'm not going to deny that Arctic Endurance has 966 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,560 clearly been quickly organised because it doesn't appear on the 967 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,040 NATO Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe exercise page, 968 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,800 which we can see here. It's it's not on that list. 969 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,520 The first event is Arctic Dolphin, which take place in 970 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,840 February. Now back in September, we 971 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,200 mentioned this article in the BBC suggesting that the 972 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,520 competition for control of the Arctic is getting risky. 973 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,440 And at the same time, Patrick and I had attended a screening 974 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,280 of a propaganda document documentary called Arming the 975 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,240 Arctic. And so, you know, while the 976 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,120 rhetoric continues about Russian and Chinese ships encircling 977 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,400 Greenland, that rhetoric's clearly pretty unhinged. 978 00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,160 Nonetheless, Western nations clearly unhappy with the fact of 979 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,400 Russia and China are way ahead in developing the Arctic Silk 980 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,080 Road with the first container ship bringing goods from China 981 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,480 to Felix still last September. But my question is this, Patrick 982 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,480 could just be very interested in your thoughts on that, on this. 983 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,960 Is Trump's rhetoric about green Greenland really about Russia 984 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,840 and China? Or is this eye really on the 985 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,800 51st 1st state Canada? Because we bring the map on 986 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,680 screen here. Of course, what we see is that 987 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,480 if he does get his mitts on Greenland, Canada is effectively 988 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,400 encircled, isn't it? And with all the additional 989 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,640 rhetoric about Mexico, Colombia and Cuba, Cuba, it actually 990 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,040 looks like he wants the whole of North and South America. 991 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,640 Yes, well, at least the whole of North America, save Mexico for 992 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,800 now, Mike. But Canada is a British 993 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,920 Commonwealth state, isn't it? Officially. 994 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,800 Officially. But are we going to go to war 995 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,720 with the United States? Well, it's like we got the 996 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,240 Europe and Britain have dealing with Putin on the other side, 997 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,040 threatening to invade, digest, invade Europe, then they've got 998 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,240 now Trump on the other side. So it's like a pincer movement 999 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,480 with the US and Russia coming in. 1000 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:06,960 And I mean, it's just so ridiculous. 1001 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,240 Totally the whole thing. But but what? 1002 00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:10,360 What's the? Real motivation. 1003 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,720 Is it about China and Russia occupying Greenland? 1004 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,200 Of course not. Don't be silly. 1005 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,240 Does Russia need any additional land? 1006 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,560 I kind of don't think so. But anyway, this is what it has 1007 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,600 to do with. Let's not kid ourselves here. 1008 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,840 Donald Trump is biessing. Sorry to be explicit, he's BS 1009 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,640 ING the public on this. How a billionaire with interest 1010 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,240 in Greenland encourage Donald Trump to acquire the territory. 1011 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,800 This, ladies and gentlemen, is Ronald Lauder, a friend of 1012 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,360 Trump. Of course, Trump has many 1013 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,520 billionaire friends, doesn't he? One day during the first term, 1014 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,600 Donald Trump summoned a top aide to discuss a new idea. 1015 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,000 Trump called me down to the Oval Office, says John Bolton, who is 1016 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,080 his national security advisor. He just said the prominent 1017 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,120 businessman had just suggested the US by Greenland. 1018 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,640 That was in Donald Trump's first term and understand the 1019 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,600 significance of this year. Like many of those around the 1020 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:07,080 President, Ronald Lauders policy suggests appear to intersect 1021 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,600 with his business interests. So the policy intersects with 1022 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,000 the business. And as Trump has ratcheted up 1023 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,000 his threats to seize Greenland, Lauder has acquired commercial 1024 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,880 holdings there. Surprise, surprise. 1025 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,720 Lauder is also part of the consortium whose desire to 1026 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,680 access Ukrainian minerals appears to have spurred Trump to 1027 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,920 demand a share of the war torn country's resources. 1028 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,120 Here, ladies and gentlemen, do we any further questions on the 1029 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,160 motivation behind these policies? 1030 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,880 Remember when Trump said we're going to get the raw earths? 1031 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,960 It's rare earths, but Trump said raw earth, raw earths. 1032 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:43,760 And what happened with the raw earths? 1033 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,200 Nothing's been signed, hasn't been done, but it's still 1034 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,920 there's plans to try to leverage those away from Ukraine. 1035 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,640 And he's doing it here in Greenland. 1036 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,480 So all you people that are, you know, pro Zelinsky waving 1037 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,480 Ukrainian flag like there's some valiant cause for democracy. 1038 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,680 This is nothing more than a resource grab. 1039 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,280 Can you work this out yet? I hope so. 1040 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,840 And by the way, Jeff Bezos, Peter Thiel, they've also got 1041 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,120 interests in Greenland and the rare earths in Greenland, as 1042 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,000 well as putting data centres up there and creating an AI hub in 1043 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,720 Greenland. This is all real. 1044 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,720 So it has nothing to do with Russia and China. 1045 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,640 But then again, we're talking about Donald Trump here, so we 1046 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,720 have to try to tease out his logic, Mike, don't we? 1047 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,400 We do. No, I'm going to say Patrick, 1048 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,360 I'm no fan of Jon Stewart at all because particularly during the 1049 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,520 COVID years, he was appalling along with Stephen Colbert and 1050 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:38,760 others. But. 1051 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,600 He's found his footing again. I suggest he has because because 1052 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,160 I can't really disagree with anything he says in this clip. 1053 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,560 So let's just end the programme with Jon Stewart here. 1054 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,600 I don't understand why do we have to take over Greenland? 1055 00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,160 If we don't do it, Russia or China will take over Greenland. 1056 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,760 And we're not going to have Russia or China as a neighbour. 1057 00:59:20,580 --> 00:59:25,140 We're already Russia's already our name. 1058 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:28,760 This is where Greenland is Russia's closer. 1059 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,720 Unless in your mind you think Alaska lives in a box next to 1060 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,880 Hawaii. No, no, again, again, again. 1061 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,640 We, we don't want Russia or China to take over Greenland. 1062 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,240 Oh, you know what we could do to deter it? 1063 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,720 Not through arrogance or conquest, but what if we formed 1064 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,120 like kind of an alliance with Denmark and Greenland? 1065 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,960 We could include all the North Atlantic nations. 1066 00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,960 What, what would we call this? Like, like almost like a North 1067 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,560 Atlantic Treaty Organisation that we, I don't know what we 1068 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,080 could. I guess we'll never know. 1069 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,840 But again, since we all now dance to the tune of Juan Piper, 1070 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,680 what possible justifications could you have for just taking 1071 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,480 someone else's land? And please, if you would irony 1072 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,400 proof your answer. I'm a fan of Denmark, but you 1073 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,240 know, the fact that they had a boat land there 500 years ago 1074 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,280 doesn't mean that they own the land. 1075 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:47,000 Can someone pass him a note? How do you think we got our 1076 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,760 land? So I'm afraid it's hard to 1077 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,520 disagree with that of. Course, I mean just a couple 1078 01:00:54,520 --> 01:01:00,720 miles down the road there is the Plymouth, the Mayflower steps. 1079 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,680 That's where it all happened. Yeah, Fain, they landed a boat 1080 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,800 in Massachusetts 400 plus years ago. 1081 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,320 So anyway, Trump's not. Big on history, so let's not 1082 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,760 let's not get. Too hard on them. 1083 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,120 Yeah, too well, you know, on the details. 1084 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,080 Well, it's just history. OK, well, look, we we got to 1085 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,240 finish there because we're out of time. 1086 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,560 We'll be back in a few minutes for some UK column news. 1087 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,360 Extra Basil will be joining us for some more discussion on what 1088 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,520 we've been talking about today. If you're UK column member, join 1089 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,800 us for that. Stay on the live stream. 1090 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,560 If you're not a member, maybe you would like to join us and 1091 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,000 then you can take part in that discussion as well. 1092 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,320 Thank you to Basil and Patrick and everybody that's been 1093 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,360 watching. Don't forget Jerem and Carl 1094 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,760 tonight and also Jake Fern on Sunday night at 7:00. 1095 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,200 But have a great weekend and we will see you on Monday at 1:00 1096 01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,800 PM. As usual, thanks for joining us. 1097 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:50,320 Bye bye.