OK, welcome to UK column. I'm Ben Rubin, and I am
delighted today to be speaking to Braden Sorbo, who is an actor
and author and cultural commentator.
And he's just released a new book, his second book, I
believe, called Embrace Masculinity, Lifting men up in a
world that pushes them down. Braden, welcome to UK column.
Hey, thanks so much for having me.
And there it is right there. I got it ready to go.
Very well prepared. Fantastic.
And I should also just say you might possibly be, and I need to
check this, the youngest person that we've ever interviewed on
UK column. We're not normally speaking to
people who were born in this Millennium versus the last
Millennium. So congratulations on that
front. Well thank you very much.
I was a 2001 baby so I I barely make that cut off but I'm glad
to be here. Fantastic.
So your new book is called Embrace Masculinity, Lifting men
up in a world that pushes them down.
How are men being pushed down? Well, it's essentially A worldly
thing and it kind of breaks down into the societies.
But as we know, the culture is downstream of the media and the
media currently and has been for a long time, portraying men as
weak, useless, pathetic, bumbling idiots who are
basically just good for background noise and not much
else. And so we've seen this slow
progression throughout the past century or two of this
degradation of morals and this degradation of the family as a
whole. And what it's LED us to is the
world that we live in today. You know, I don't know the exact
statistics for the UK, but in America, 10% of women in my
generation, Generation Z are on only Fans, for example, which is
crazy. 18 to 25 year olds were polled and 45% of them, these
are all men. So 45% of men between the ages
of 18 and 25 have never approached a woman in real life.
Like there's consequences to the things that had started, you
know, 50-60 years ago with the whole free love sexual
revolution is having its consequences played out in real
time in front of us. And so the book came about
because I saw a need for something, right?
You have you have a lot of those, those guys like Jordan
Peterson or Nick Freitas or those guys who are married and
they're religious and they have like, oh, you guys can pick
yourself up by your bootstraps and you've got this and just be
be men and people in my generation to go.
And that's great. You have no idea what it's like
though. And so I'd always wished that
somebody my age had something for guys my age.
And that's where the inspiration for the book came from.
It is a handbook. It is a guide for what I like to
call godly masculinity, which is the only masculinity.
Because without a set moral compass, masculinity devolves
into the red pill movement of sleep with as many people as you
can and dominate as many women as you can.
And without a set moral standard, who is to criticize
that? And so the book essentially puts
that standard in place. It acts as, like I said, a guide
for young men, but also a checklist for young women with
the goal of aiding and discernment.
Say a girl is talking to a guy. This is something that she
should be using as a tool to see.
Does this man meet the criteria? Fascinating.
So you talked a lot there about the the kind of attack coming
downstream of culture, downstream of the media.
So we're thinking, you know, advertising, cinema, television,
the Internet, newspapers, that kind of thing.
Like what do you think is driving that?
Is it this is the deliberate and coordinated for you?
Yes, it is. It is a coordinated attack.
So the second chapter of the book is called the War between
the Patriarchies. And I say it's not a matter of
if a man is going to be ruling, but whether or not he will be
good or bad. And so I, I liken it back to the
time of the Exodus during that period in the Bible where the
Israelites were, you know, slaves to the Pharaoh.
And so the Pharaoh tried to do what all bad patriarchs will do
and take advantage. And so there are three ways
primarily that we will see this destruction play out in society
against the the culture at large, but specifically men in
particular. And it will be first a use
because men have strength. So use that strength, build
things like the pyramids or today, build skyscrapers, make
the men useful. Then if the men become rowdy, do
the next thing and that is subjugate them, like with Rome,
bread and circuses. If people are happy, they're not
going to revolt. Then we have the Super Bowl, we
have the NBA, we have the all of these different things to keep
us happy. We have celebrities doing, you
know, all these crazy things and wow, this is what we should be
paying attention to. And so people aren't necessarily
paying attention to the things that inherently matter.
And lastly, if the first two don't work, the bad rulers will
resort to eliminating it, will resort to killing the men.
Now we're seeing that third stage take place in today, 2025,
and a lot of people are probably hearing that going what?
Right. No one's getting killed.
Like no one's doing that today is.
Well, yes, but it's more of a spiritual killing in the sense
of we have a rampant problem of degradation of morals in
society. And when that problem reaches
the levels that it has, people are dead in their spirit.
And if they are not willing to take a stand regardless, then
you have essentially killed them.
So pornography is is rampant in the United States and the rest
of the world for that matter. And what it does from a
scientific standpoint, not even from a moralistic or religious
standpoint, but what it does from a scientific standpoint is
it releases endorphins into your brain.
So you receive these feel good chemicals such as dopamine that
need this, this heightened response more and more and more.
The more you receive it, the more you crave it, but the more
you need to receive that same level of satisfaction.
It is why we live in a society where everyone needs instant
satisfaction. They need success immediately or
they think that what they have done is a failure.
It's why 20 years ago when you asked a kid what do you want to
be when you grow up, they had an answer for you.
I want to be a policeman, a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, a
politician, A firefighter, an astronaut, whatever, a you know.
And so today, you ask a kid what they want to be and they go, I
want to be famous. But they don't even know what
famous is. They just know that social media
has portrayed this idea of vanity but success at the same
time. They see these celebrities
posting highlight reels online and they go, this is what I
want, but they don't truly know what this is.
And So what we have essentially done is we have killed in spirit
the drive that pushed the world to succeed, right?
Young men used to be told if you graduate, whether it be in
Europe or America or Australia or any country, continent, you
name it, young men were essentially told if you get a
degree, if you work hard, if you fight right, you will be
rewarded. What will that look like?
It could be financial compensation.
It could be you find a wife and kids.
I would like to think I speak for most men when I say the
pinnacle of success is having a wife and a kid that love you,
you know, or multiple kids that love you like that is, that is
all that most men want in real life.
CS Lewis wrote that the job of the homemaker is the most
important job in the world because every other job is
created just to supplement the homemaker, right?
That every other job is made to serve that job of the homemaker.
And so for a man, your success was not measured by your
financial status or how big your muscles were or how you know how
many cars you had or the size of the house you lived in.
It was measured by your family. Is your legacy the thing that's
going to outlive you? Because at the end of the day,
the money's not going into the grave with me.
You know, my name comes with me. And if I did a good job as a
husband and a father, my name lives on through my family.
So men are no longer assured that guarantee, which to be
fair, it was never a guarantee to begin with, but it was at
least it was more serious, right?
Young guys had an assurance that something would come from their
hard work, whereas today that assurance is no longer exists.
And So what we're seeing is young men are refusing to grow
up. I call them the Peter Pan,
Neverland, Lost boys. Like they just would rather
remain teenagers, you know, perpetually because why would
you grow up? It's a hard life out there.
The world is cruel. And if you don't have even a
basic guarantee of, well, you know, you work hard, you can
make enough money to support yourself and potentially a
family, What are you going to work for?
And so I like to say that my generation has the worst battle
that any generation has had ever, because we don't have any
assurance. The only assurance that we would
have is that potentially the generations that come after us
might get it back. And that's unfortunately that's
going to have to be enough. I love that CS Lewis quote that
you just rolled out there. I'm not going to get it exactly
right, but this idea that civilization was essentially
created to support the nuclear family, I think people
completely forget that, right? It's a really important point.
I need to go and go and read into that, and I do.
I'm a big fan of CS Lewis. Let me just wind you back right
to the start of what you were saying there.
There's a whole bunch of things that you pulled up.
The first one is you're actually LED off with the idea that
essentially what we're looking at is a war between the
patriarchies, that there is going to be a patriarchy.
The question is whether it's a good or a bad one.
Now, that is an interesting point to land on because
actually it runs completely counter to the current dominant
cultural and intellectual narrative that's being pushed,
which is that the patriarchy itself, however you might want
to define that, needs to be torn down and replaced essentially.
But you're saying that you don't think that that's even possible
to achieve. Is that is that correct?
Yeah, it's it's blatantly impossible.
There's always going to be a man in charge.
I I know that people are going to be mad at that.
That's unfortunately how the universe was created.
That does not mean that men are better than women.
I I hate that I have to clarify that, unfortunately, but I have
gotten so many vicious attacks from people going, you must just
hate everybody. I go dude, it's just ridiculous.
Jesus Christ is still God and he submitted to the will of the
Father not because he was less than God, but because there was
a divine order instituted at the beginning of the universe and no
matter how hard you want to fight it, it's going to exist.
So whether or not you like it, it will happen.
I like to say there's a great quote that Eve was not taken
from Adam's foot so that he would trample over her or from
his head so that she would Lord it over him.
She was taken from his rib so that she would be equal with
him, from next to his heart to be loved by him, and from under
his arm to be protected by him. So it is not a matter of
supremacy or being better than. There is a matter of recognizing
that we as humans have certain traits that are ingrained in US
genetically that we cannot change, and if we want society
to thrive, we have to acknowledge them, right?
I think everyone can look around today and say that the world is
pretty messed up in 2025, and there's a good reason for that.
It is because we have destroyed the nuclear family.
I completely agree. And, and actually it's
interesting that we're talking about embracing masculinity and
the fact that the the world pushes men down.
But actually you've spent half the time talking about the
attack on women actually, and the families as as as as as
essentially being at the same time an attack on men.
Yeah, with without a doubt, there's a trend.
It said that the more quote, UN quote educated people became,
the more miserable they became. And ironically, there's a little
bit of truth to that because ignorance actually is bliss.
And so I like to say if ignorance is bliss and I'm
pretty miserable, but I go through all of the data backing
all of this up, and what we're noticing is that the world tells
men you're useless, pathetic. Sit down, shut up.
I don't say anything. And then it tells women, go be a
girl boss, go go get a big corporate office job and go do
your whatever. And then the women get
depressed. And so we have more women on
antidepressants or some sort of medication than ever before.
It's over 50% and 40% of men are on a medication as well.
So clearly all we're doing is medicating ourselves because
we're not happy. And all we need to do to reverse
that is realize that the true source of happiness is to
acknowledge the roles that we were created for and to live
through them in a glorifying way.
I mean, I have countless friends my age who are going man, what
are we thinking? Like IA girl that I know I was
just talking to last week at church.
She said she goes Brayden when I went to school, I am now $30,000
in debt and I have to go sit for 8 hours in a cubicle.
I don't want to do that. I just want to have a little
baby that I can take to target with me and I'm going.
I know that sounds fantastic and I as a husband would be working
3 jobs to supplement my wife to be able to do that.
But not many guys are and not many women are.
And unfortunately, it's going to take something drastic for
people to wake up. And I think that drastic measure
is coming because all signs are pointing to it.
So who does this benefit then, this attack on masculinity?
Because it doesn't sound like it's benefiting anyone.
It's certainly not benefiting women.
You've said, and I agree with this, a lot of them appeared to
be quite miserable with the way things are going, and it's
certainly not benefiting men. So who is actually benefiting
from this whole situation? The people in charge, that's it.
It's, it's the rulers in charge who want to have their subjects
be destroyed so that they can sit there and reap the rewards
of other people's labor. And the problem that I have with
that is they are taking advantage and they have taken
advantage of the good nature of many people, right?
So the government decided, you know what, we need everyone
working so that we can have the kids in schools, so that we can
control the narrative, so that we can brainwash and tell the
people what to think and how to think it.
The school system was overwhelmed by this idea of
becoming a wage slave essentially, I believe if I'm
not mistaken, it was either Rockefeller or a Rothschild who
had created essentially the modern day school system which
creates workers. And so people go and they they
learn how to work but not think for themselves.
And so they go and sit in an office for 6 to 8 hours, 10
hours a day and they become sick.
They're not outside, they're not eating healthy, they're not
living. They're sitting in a chair under
fluorescent lighting for eons, for 4050, sixty hours a week.
And so they become unhealthy, and then they need medication to
supplement, to fix themselves. And So what we realize is that
people aren't inherently broken, but they become broken by the
system that we're living in. And the reason why they're being
destroyed is because it is easier to maintain control when
society doesn't have a reason or doesn't have the power to get
rid of you. Yeah, completely agree.
I mean, the only people who benefit in this situation is an
overbearing state and international capital investors.
Ultimately, it's what we're looking at here.
Who? I think it was the Rockefellers,
actually. You said Rockefeller or
Rothschild. I'm pretty sure it was the
Rockefellers. And also, as I understand it,
they were very heavily involved in establishing the whole
feminist movement 100 years ago as well, right?
So this thing's been coordinated and funded and progressed over a
very long period of time. So we talked a bit about what's
pushing men down, but the question then is how do we lift
them up? What do we need to do?
Well I have a lot of keys and tools in the book that I use
specifically to help with this and a few of them are one
getting off of social media which is ironic to say because I
have 2,000,000 followers and I post everyday like this.
It is my job, but at the same time it's terrible and miserable
and I don't recommend it for people 2 to find good community.
A lot of people don't understand how valuable it is to have
friends. Like Proverbs 6-7 says, as iron
sharpens iron, so one man sharpens his brother, right?
There is a great power that comes in unity and discussion
and growth and fraternity and people don't realize that,
right? And then next, a mentor.
It's crucial to have someone who is a little bit older than you,
who has gone through the experiences that you might be
going through, who can offer advice.
You don't have to take every single thing they say at face
value and 100% do it. But the benefits far outweigh
the cons when it comes to having a mentor.
So I also say one of the biggest things is being physically
strong. What we notice is that people
who are not physically strong enough to defend themselves
become agreeable. And that's that is just an
evolutionary tactic that people have discovered.
It is if you are not strong enough to protect yourself,
should confrontation happen, you become the type of person to
avoid confrontation at all costs.
And so men cannot truly think for themselves unless they
actually prove it by becoming physically powerful.
This is not mean, you know, going around and punching people
or, or, you know, but it means being able to, if someone were
to confront you on a stance, being able to defend that
stance. And the benefit to that is when
you become physically strong, science has also proven that
your mental capacity increases as well.
And so we have the stereotype of the big dumb jock because it's
not true. The people who created that
stereotype don't want you to be physically capable.
It doesn't mean that you have to be lifting 500 lbs or squatting
600 LB, you know, benching 315. It doesn't mean that you have to
do that. But just being active in any
sense will improve your brain function, right?
When we sit like this in a chair for 10 hours a day, what happens
is we start chest breathing. Our breaths become shallow and
that is unhealthy compared to how we were naturally meant to
breathe through our diaphragm, through our stomach.
And so sitting forever, not moving, not getting exercise
leads you down this path where you are more prone to regular
illnesses, colds, flus, sickness of all kinds.
You are more prone to to critical thinking drops where
you are less likely to use your rational thinking and your
critical thing. Because if you're sitting
hunched over all the time, what happens is eventually your brain
gets less oxygen and you don't have as much power to it.
And So what people need to realize is it can be as simple
as going for a walk, you know, that helps after dinner, help
the food digest, rather than sit down and watch TV for hours and
hours a day after sitting for hours in an office or working,
it's not a matter of, you know, you have to go run marathons or
deadlift. Like I said, £500.
It's just a matter of being active.
And what will happen is you will see brain function increases and
improves, as well as critical thinking and the ability to
defend yourself. It it all falls in line.
And that's what people have failed to see this entire time.
It's about strength, isn't it? Yeah.
And actually one of the interesting things you used the
term girl boss earlier and you see that a lot, that kind of
that mentality and, and what I notice is the a lot of women who
are putting themselves forward in the professional domain and
wherever else it might be, they seem to think that they need to
a behave more like men. But then their interpretation of
what behaving like a man is, is actually being really
aggressive. And actually men aren't
aggressive, right? It's about having power and
potential, but having that under control, you know, when people
become aggressive and, and, and lose control, that's not really
a masculine trait. You know, that's actually a sign
of weakness. Yeah, 100%.
That is exactly correct. We see.
It's so interesting that the feminist movement told women go
be like men and then a lot of women, not all, but a lot of
women who were part of the feminist movement interpreted it
as be rude and domineering. Like it's funny because the men
who are rude and domineering are the least masculine out of any
man that I've ever met. Right.
The tenants of masculinity are responsibility, protection,
provision. It doesn't mean I'm going to go
out and protect everybody and provide for everybody.
It means I need to find one wife to provide and protect for.
But by and large, it's just a being a caring individual.
And for men and for women, that looks differently.
But when we try to emulate how that looks for the other
opposite sex, we do it wrong most of the time.
If I were to try to act like a woman, I would fail because I'm
not a woman. I have the chromosomes.
What was it XXI think for men and XY for women.
I don't. I always get them flipped.
But right. So I have the I have the
capacity to act like a man. My sister has the capacity to
act like a woman. Nothing wrong with either of
those. We just have to understand that
we have inherent unique strengths and faults, and if we
play into our strengths rather than our faults, everything is
better. Yeah, I completely agree.
Now, you talked a bit earlier on about the degradation of morals
and that kind of feeding into this assault on masculinity.
And you've also made a number of of biblical references and
spiritual references in the conversation.
In fact, I've lost count of the amount of times that you've made
biblical references, which is great to hear.
And also for someone coming from the UK, it's, it's a a bit less
common for us actually, you know, we've lost touch with that
side of our society a lot more than than our American brothers
and sisters have. How important has that been for
you in terms of combating this, this degradation of morals?
Like, do you see that as as a crucial route towards this
defence and this uplifting of of masculinity?
Yeah, without a immoral foundation to set the path to
guide men, their natural instincts is to dominate, as in
have as many women pregnant as possible, right.
Because if I'm a man, my goal is to have my lifeline, my blood
pass on. So I need to have as many
children as possible. And the moral side of that is
the Bible saying no, you get one wife and you have kids with her
and you love her forever, right? And so it is the cornerstone, it
is the foundation to this entire concept of improving society.
And thankfully, what we're seeing is young men are
returning to it in droves. Catholic and Orthodox churches,
the traditional churches from 2000 years ago have received the
largest uptick in people joining primarily young men that they've
ever had in the recent time in this Millennium, right.
Because the, you know, the non traditional Protestant
denominations aren't doing it. We're seeing what's happening in
the UK where I just covered the, the lady who was arrested for
praying silently outside of an abortion clinic.
There was a British UK army vet who was fined for doing the same
thing. They just stood there with a
sign that said, I'm here to talk if you want help or something.
And they're getting arrested for it.
And so guys in America are seeing that going, OK, No, no,
no, no, no, no, we're we can't let that happen over here.
That's that's crazy. And so this kind of return to
traditional Christianity almost is the fuel that is stocking the
fire underneath these young men and it is the moral compass.
I'll quote another visa scripture, Romans one Paul says
that the law is written in our hearts.
We all have an inherent idea of right and wrong.
But if we are left to decipher it for ourselves, we can see how
that clearly doesn't work. I mean, everyone goes, well, I I
know that because I'm guided by no, you're not.
No, no, you're not. If you were, you wouldn't be so
crazy, like you wouldn't be so off the rails that we have to
correct you, you know? And so it's the world in which
we live. I mean, my dad was raised
Lutheran, I was raised evangelical, non denominational.
And I just got confirmed last Easter because I was so sick and
tired of going to quote UN quote church, which I just consider an
organization at this point, those non denominational
churches, I mean, where they have a rock concert followed by
a Ted talk that makes you feel good because it's vaguely about
something that you could potentially relate to.
There's no growth there. And a lot of guys are feeling
the same. They don't want to have just a
feel good relationship. They want want a relationship
and relationships have rules, buddy.
And go punch him in the face when I feel like it.
That's not a relationship, right?
I am friends with him and he is friends with me because we
respect each other. We want each other to succeed.
We have what's best in mind for each other.
You cannot set the terms of a relationship with God and go
God. I want this, that, and the other
thing. And in return, I'm willing to go
sing for you on Sunday. That's what I've did.
That's what you'll get out of me.
You're going to get laughed at. You don't get to just say, you
know, I've decided this is how I want to have a relationship with
you. Those rules have already been
established. And so young men are realizing
that the rules were established for our own benefit to build up.
And so whether or not someone is religious, they inherently have
to realize that there is a power and a good that comes from this.
And there are certainly people who will take advantage.
I don't speak in generalizations like just everyone all the time.
There are certainly people who will take advantage.
However, by and large, when people are truly following, when
people are truly understanding, they will have a deeper
appreciation and a deeper love for the life and those around
them. Completely agree.
With you and it's, it's fascinating to watch this
resurgence of, of, of young men getting back into spiritual life
and, and going back into the church in this country as well.
Actually, I think I saw some numbers the other day that said
that the, the attendance in, in certain congregations has gone
up by a factor of four or something like that over the
past 12-18 months. I mean, this is this is really
quite phenomenal stuff. You just mentioned a minute ago
that you were homeschooled. Could you tell us a little bit
about that? Actually, my colleague Charles
spoke to your mother about this last week.
So it'd be good to get your take on it.
And is this something that you'd consider for your own children
in the future? Oh, without a doubt.
I have no other option for schooling.
Homeschooling is the only way to go.
Children are entrusted to their parents, not to the state.
It's not the state's responsibility to raise the
kids, but we feel like it is because we've been told that.
And so I was homeschooled from 7th grade all the way through
graduation. And I was absolutely blessed to
have that. I had, you know, been traveling
a lot with my parents being who they were, living on movie sets
and things like that. And so it just made sense to
homeschool me. And at the same time, my mom
unintentionally realized that it was the greatest blessing that
you can give to a kid. Because what kid doesn't want to
be friends with their parents? What kid doesn't want to be
around their parents? Especially when they're younger.
Now, when they get older, everyone goes, Oh well, they
just rebel. As teenagers, my siblings and I
didn't necessarily rebel. We didn't hate our parents.
You know, So it is a weird phenomenon that we're seeing
where the school essentially teaches kids to not respect the
parents. Because subconsciously, if
you're a 5678 year old and you're going to school for 8
hours a day and then seeing your parents, if they don't make you
take the bus and then you hang out at dinner for a little bit,
then you go to your room and play games.
You're spending more time with teachers than you are with your
parents. So of course you're going to
reject their authority and pick the teachers authority over
them. Of course you're going to rebel
when you're a teenager. It has been drilled into your
little mind since you were a child.
Obviously it's going to be self-destructive.
We're reaping the fruits of it now.
We are reaping what we sow Everyone goes well, where did it
go wrong? It went wrong a century ago.
That it's that simple. And if we want to fix it, we
have to get out of schools, we have to go work out, we have to
return to morals, right? These are all hard things
because it requires sacrifice on our parts.
It's so much easier as a parent. Don't get me wrong, I'm well
aware the American Dream is dead and we have killed it, right?
I can't on a single income of a teacher support a family of
five. My dad was the 4th of five kids
and his dad was a middle school teacher and they lived.
They were fine, right? It wasn't like they were living
in, you know, abject poverty or complete wealth.
But they were successful enough to raise 5 kids that were
healthy. When families got smaller,
houses got bigger, right? And we live in this world now
where you need essentially 2 incomes to raise a family.
And that was intentional so that the family unit would not be
strong because the family unit is the strongest thing.
If I have a reason to live, which is my family and kids,
then I also have a reason to die.
And if I have a reason to die, I'm willing to fight my family,
my wife and kids, then I am a dangerous threat to any bad
person who might try to come my way.
And so the bad people who wanted to come my way, we're like,
let's just take apart the reason he has to live and then we can
placate him, medicate him, you know, whatever.
And so yes, homeschooling has been the greatest thing and I
wish more people would do it. Thankfully, with the pandemic,
we saw the homeschooling in America.
I'm not sure how it was over in, in the UK, but the homeschooling
numbers in America went from like 2 million families to 5
million families. That over doubled, which is
fantastic. And it's continuing to grow.
And because it's continuing to grow, more and more resources
are available. It's not just in the 70s where
it was sitting at home and your mom is sort of trying to teach
you what she remembers of math. There's entire curriculums
available. There are things put in place to
aid families in this endeavour, so it's easier than it has ever
been. Yeah, there was.
Certainly a trend towards home schooling and that's definitely
going up in this country. And then as much as it's going
up, the state is attempting to restrict it and to control it as
as much as possible. And I'd actually be really
interested in in your take on that.
I saw that you were a CPAC a few months ago.
Like, how do you see things developing politically around
this issue in the US at the moment?
Well. Politically, we had the largest
divide between the two genders that we've ever had.
Women have typically voted blue because they're nurturing and
compassionate and they want to care for people.
And the left promotes this idea that they care, right?
And so they get a lot of the female vote base.
However, men have always voted traditionally a little bit
darker red. This previous election, young
men and young women voted the farthest apart that they've ever
voted. We have the largest divide in
the history of my country, at least when it comes to politics.
And I can't see that ending well because if the men want women,
they're going to go to where the women are unless they're strong
enough to stand, you know, stand like a pillar, steadfast and
fight for the values that they believe in.
During the polling that was taking place during the 2024
cycle, they asked young men my age, you know, say because I'm
23, so say 18 to 25 year olds. They asked, What's your biggest
issues with the election? For a lot of people, it was the
economy, right? I want to be able to raise a
family and I can't if my dollar is worthless, keeping inflation
down, you know, it is the the price of goods and commodities.
Rent is expensive. I don't want to rent.
I want to be able to buy a house, you know, I, I don't want
to have to go and spend $12.00 on a dozen eggs at the grocery
store. That's insane.
Gas. Those things were important to
young men. The border, making sure that the
immigration crisis was put under control, keeping people safe,
right? So very altruistic ideas of
wanting to be able to take care of their family.
When polled, young women the same age 18 to 25 said abortion,
which inherently is the most selfish thing that a human can
do, is to take the life of another human being.
And So what we're noticing is this trend where young women
have been manipulated into thinking that the most important
matter in the world should be what they consider, quote UN
quote, healthcare. Whereas young men are seeing
past that and going hold on, no, no, no, no, no.
Inflation, prices of goods and services border.
Therefore, I want to be able to secure a better life.
I'm going to vote this way. And the women are being
unfortunately pushed in this negative direction, which is is
nothing but self-destructive. There are studies ranging from
one in eight women to one in four women have had an abortion.
And all of it is is so sad because the effects that it has
on someone's brain from a scientific standpoint is nothing
but detrimental. And we numb ourselves to this
fact through other means, but it doesn't eliminate it.
It doesn't fix the problem. All it does is provide a
temporary solution and make us feel happy for a moment.
And so we have the largest divide that we've ever had
before. And yet I still hold out hope.
And I'm optimistic because the guys in my generation are the
first ones to make that stand. And they have to continue to dig
their heels in and fight back I completely.
Agree and and to rebuild as well.
I mean, you've talked about this assault on the American worker,
and it's not just the American worker, it's the whole Western
economic and cultural and sociological system, right?
But just relating to, to, to the business world and the fact that
we need to be able to sustain jobs where people can work and
take care of their families and to do that on a single income.
And, you know, not have these situations where it's, it's
basically almost impossible to live.
Like what? What are you seeing on the
ground in the US at the moment in terms of an economic revival?
Well. I remember I was having a
conversation with a friend of mine on Easter and he's, he's an
older gentleman and he was going with 70% of Americans own a
home. And I said, but what, what
percentage of those Americans are below the age of 40, right?
You, you can list these quotes, but the fact of the matter is
the majority of my generation is renting and that is not
sustainable, right? I can't sit there and pay $3000
a month for the rest of my life to rent a little one or
two-bedroom apartment in Florida, for example.
And expect to be able to at the same time save up enough money
to buy a house. That's just not how it works.
And so we live in this world now, unfortunately, where it's
essentially called a renter's paradise, right?
Where you can go rent all you want, but owning is a completely
different question. And we unfortunately, on one
hand we do it to ourselves because we want the nicest car,
we want the newest iPhone, we want all these things.
And so the prices of things help deplete our bank account.
So we don't have as much to buy a house.
And at the same time, for example, a college graduate
would make 10 thousand $11,000 every single year in 1959.
That was the starting salary. If you take into account
inflation, that $11,000 in 1959 is worth $120,000 today.
Today the college graduate on average is making 60 to $80,000
a year if they get a if they get a job with their degree, which a
lot of companies don't even find half of the degrees worth
anything anymore. And so if they pick a useful
degree that they go into debt for, they can make maybe half to
a little to to 3/4 of what a college graduate in 1959 was
making. But that college graduate in
1959 didn't have to buy an iPhone.
The cars were not as expensive, the the clothes weren't as
expensive, the food wasn't as expensive.
And So what we've seen is this trend of the prices of
everything increasing and the money is not keeping up.
We're not, it's not even. And so a lot of guys are looking
at that and a lot of people in general, and they're kind of
they're, they're very negative about it, which to be fair, it's
really easy to do. I myself am negative about it
very often in the sense that if we don't do something about it,
we're at the tipping point that every great nation has ever had,
where after 250 to 300 years, something happens and they never
recover. So if my generation doesn't fix
the society that we're currently in, America will also fail.
It won't recover. The great experiment will have
flopped. Indeed, Yeah, the signs are
certainly there. There are people talking about
civilizational collapse right now and I and I can certainly
understand what they're talking about.
Just a couple of things to wrap up.
Thanks. Really enjoying the
conversation. The the first one is the risk of
sounding a little bit cliche. I would like to get your
thoughts on on Andrew Tate, right, because he gets thrown
around certainly in this country is this kind of this bogeyman
that's used to terrorize people in society in the media
constantly reach for him as an example of what masculinity is
and how terrifying he is like. But what what's your view on
him? Well.
Technically they're not wrong, his is just a non godly
masculinity. So if we don't have a moralistic
society then they can't say what he's doing is wrong.
It's that simple. Doesn't mean that I support it
right? Because I have a moral
foundation. I have this little cross around
my neck that means something. But if people don't have this,
then they can't say anything. And so that's what it boils down
to. If there is no moral foundation
for society, then you can't say what Andrew Tate does or did was
wrong because he was just following his natural masculine
instincts, which were to take domination and try to have as
many kids with as many women as possible so that his name, his
bloodline lives on, right? That is inherently the goal of
unchecked, quote UN quote masculinity.
But if we have a moral foundation, we can say that that
is inherently wrong because it is the antithesis of what true
masculinity should look like. So I can sit here and go, yeah,
that is inappropriate. That is not how men should be
acting. But to the people that don't
have any moral foundation, sorry, it doesn't really matter
what you say. You don't have a set standard
for anything. Your standard is what your
personal belief is, which means as a flawed human being, because
we're all flawed, it's wrong. My standard is something that is
greater than me, that's existed for since the dawn of time.
My standard is unchanging and immovable.
So I can look from my standard and go, that's wrong.
You can't look from within yourself and go, that's wrong
without any credibility. And so it really is a fun one
because Tristan, the younger brother is coming to Christ,
coming to Christ, which is really interesting.
Andrew is still Muslim. He does not want to submit to,
to a higher authority than himself.
So it, it'll be interesting to watch their story develop.
I'm, I'm curious to see how everything unfolds with them.
As far as I'm aware, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, they've
been they've been accused, but there have not been formal
charges filed. So it we still live in the world
of innocent until proven guilty. So I'm waiting to see the guilty
or innocent verdict officially come out.
But as far as I'm aware, they were held up in court for years
and there wasn't enough evidence or something like that.
And so to that point, what I will say is return to Christ and
we have a moral foundation for society and things like this
don't happen anymore. Good Also.
Now just a quick question then, forgive my ignorance, but what's
that flag you got on the wall behind you?
Oh, this one. Let me see if I can turn and
show it all. So this is the Betsy Ross 13
Colonies original flag. But this is an appeal to heaven.
And in fact, you're the first person to ask about it on an
interview, which makes me so happy.
But an appeal to heaven was a flag flown during the Revolution
1775. It was put on and commissioned
to be the flag of, I believe 5 or 6 of the Navy's ships.
And essentially the idea behind it was you cannot make an appeal
to a man. And so therefore, if you cannot
make an appeal to man, you must make an appeal to heaven.
And I, I just love the flag itself.
And so I got this custom made by a friend of mine who's a wood
woodworker who did a fantastic job.
Awesome. OK, very good.
So we're right back at the very foundation of the nation.
I like that. And it feels like a good place
for us to wrap up, actually. So I'm Braden Sorbo.
It's been an absolute pleasure to talk to you.
Thanks for taking the time, author of Embrace Masculinity,
Lifting men up in the world that pushes them down.
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Fantastic. I'm sure that people will be
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book. So Brandon Sorbo, thanks again.
It's been fantastic speaking to you.
I've been Ben Rubin for UK column.
Thanks for your time. Thank you.