1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,600 Hello. It's Ben Rubin from UK column, 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,640 and I'm really excited today because I am speaking with 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,360 someone who has been doing phenomenal work over on Sub 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,720 Stack, a man who has been through the guts of global 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,200 technocracy and producing some of the most amazing, insightful 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:33,280 articles about what's happening around us and how these 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,000 technocratic control systems have imbued every part of our 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,200 society, where they've come from, what they're doing, what 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,000 they're planning to do next. And it's an absolute pleasure to 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,240 have Escape Key with us today. Welcome. 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,360 Well, thank you very much and very thank you very much for the 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,760 introduction. I'll hopefully I'll live up to 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,040 can be that sort of grandiose statement, but thank you very 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:00,880 much. That's very humble of you and I 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,720 would expect nothing less but. We all stand. 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,680 We all stand on the shoulders going to sit. 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,040 That's a minute one, kind of. It's kind of genuinely believe 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,360 that. I completely, I completely agree 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:15,000 with you. So just just to start off, could 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,520 you tell us a little bit about your approach that you've taken 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,040 over? I think it's two years. 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,680 You said to me that you've been looking through the guts of 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,960 what's happening around us and going back and reading through 24 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:31,760 old policy documents and public statements and that kind of 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:32,720 thing. Like what? 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,000 What exactly have you been doing for the past couple of years? 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,720 And also, what prompted you to start doing this work? 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,280 Well, what actually, again at all? 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,200 Was it a piggy leaks thread over two years ago posted on Heidi 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,240 Lawson and the sort of thought most of the people in that 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,400 thread congratulated and basically as opposed to actually 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,000 trying to basically build on the narrative. 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,640 And I thought, well, basically I might as well kind of just see 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:55,960 if if that's anything I can take up. 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,280 It's regards to high lasting. And I sort of expected to find 36 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,240 kind of basically a few sort of links kind of basically, but I, 37 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,240 I just kept dragging up more stuff and it's just 38 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:04,720 unbelievable. Kind of basically it was just 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,120 one thing after another. And then finally, kind of 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,000 basically I sort of thought, OK, I'll probably used to the end, 41 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,160 then discovered who is this or who her husband was kind of 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,960 basically was Peter, Peter Pio. And and then I dragged dragged 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,480 up a comparable amount on him And it was just, it was it, it 44 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,720 was just sort of enlightening because basically, I mean, you, 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,240 you go online in those days kind of on Twitter kind of which is 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,920 sort of relatively free of censorship. 47 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:36,120 Kind of you sort of found, you found a lot of you found a lot 48 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,640 of sort of links to, you know, the Gates Foundation and stuff 49 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:40,240 like that kind of base. But there's never really any 50 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,920 sort of coherent sort of structure about it kind of base 51 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:46,200 because you can, you can there are a lot of, of, of things 52 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,240 which they fund. You'd spend all year basically 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,720 just running around in rings trying to make sense of of all 54 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,320 the, of all the, of all the grants kind of which they hand 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,640 over. And it's the same thing with 56 00:02:56,640 --> 00:03:00,160 Rockefeller, etcetera. Because it's just it, it's just, 57 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:04,000 it's just so vast that you cannot possibly, you know, 58 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,960 figure it all out because by looking at it. 59 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:11,440 But it was just kind of strange because Howdy Larson and Peter 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Peel, that sort of combination, for the first time, I sort of 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,440 felt like I had something to hold on to, if you know what I 62 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,560 mean. Like like something based from 63 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,920 which you can sort of start understanding all that stuff. 64 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,160 And that's basically kind of how I got started. 65 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,560 Was that probably May 20, obviously 2023, I think. 66 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,600 And then, you know, the next sort of thing is really you 67 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,160 start to establish like how do you act to decide for that? 68 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:39,600 And I'm quite familiar basically with systems, the system's 69 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,880 approach effectively ultimately input output analysis where, you 70 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,560 know, for any given event, you have some things which are 71 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,320 required in order to produce an output, right? 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,840 Kind of basically. And unbeknownst to me, you know, 73 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,800 it's just sort of how I've gradually sort of zoomed in on 74 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,240 on using that in order to understand and sort of reverse 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:59,800 engineer the entire sort of full structure. 76 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,840 And that's basically sort of, yeah, eventually, eventually I 77 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,920 wrote, I wrote, I wrote discovery, which was sort of 78 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,600 probably my first sort of aha, really major aha moment where 79 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,080 sort of outlined sort of this strategy kind of using input 80 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,000 input, output analysis through, you know, source source material 81 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,120 and, you know, documents and stuff like that. 82 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,560 And once you got, once you have that sort of structure, once you 83 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,240 have that sort of skeleton, you're just sort of building 84 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,960 that, if you know what I mean. Yes, so, so that was Heidi 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,520 Larsen, you said and and was it Peter Peel? 86 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,880 I'm not familiar with those names. 87 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,680 All right, so Heidi Larsen, can I guess one of those people 88 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,560 who's been involved in, you know, any, anything one of those 89 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,200 people who love a good vaccine. That's what I usually say. 90 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,600 And you know, PO basically was supposedly one of the original 91 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,240 doctors in regards to what was it Ebola in, in 1976, right. 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,960 OK, all these all these sort of claims are all very highly 93 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,280 dodgy, quite frankly, when you start looking at it, because 94 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:03,400 there are a lot of, I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to go out and 95 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,720 sort of say none of this is real. 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,920 I'm just sort of going to say that there's sufficient doubt 97 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,160 for me to, if I wanted to investigate, can I can, you 98 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,880 know, you know, my brain is sort of saying that there's more to 99 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,680 it, but I I just can't be bothered because, you know, 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,120 given what we experienced during COVID, which is obviously fake. 101 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,600 Yeah, it's, it's that sort of part of the narrative. 102 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,400 It's kind of wrapped up in my mind. 103 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,920 OK. And you, I think you mentioned 104 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,800 with Jiki leaks as well that I'm familiar with Jiki leaks. 105 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,040 Is that? Yeah, yeah. 106 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,360 So that's OK. So you've seen some stuff 107 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,440 talking about the, the, the kind of pharmaceutical industrial 108 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,560 complex and it sounds like you're, you're you, you're, 109 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,760 what's the word I'm looking for? You'd already become suspicious 110 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,600 during the COVID era, by the sounds of it, because you, this, 111 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,880 this sort of said, it set you off about two years ago in 2023. 112 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,200 But it sounds like you'd already had some suspicions about what 113 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,800 was happening around us before that. 114 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:06,880 Was that triggered by COVID? Yes, so the very second I'm 115 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,720 writing about this and pretty much my first subject post 116 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,160 called Red flags, you know, when we were being locked down by 117 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,040 Boris Johnson, it just it just seemed completely unreal to me 118 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,080 basically because my immediate sort of thought was this is 119 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,560 going to be enormous or expensive. 120 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,080 I mean, this is going to be a multiple of of, you know, the 121 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:31,640 2008 financial crisis and, and I just sort of thought there's 122 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,040 insufficient evidence for this kind of in my book because I 123 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,160 don't see, I don't see hoards of people dying on the streets. 124 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,600 You know, it just all seemed really strange, right? 125 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:42,680 And then around that point in time, basically I started, I 126 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,000 started reading up on CNBCS and other sort of websites 127 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,440 information and I found, I found, I think it was from March 128 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:56,080 the 11th 2020 on CNDCS website. You had a had a story about 129 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,960 about that so far, kind of all the deaths, 9898% of them 130 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,040 basically were older than 60. And then I found another 131 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,760 statistical analysis kind of basically saying that 99.5% all 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,320 had comorbidities. And when you said you were 133 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,400 looking at these sort of numbers that everyone is old and 134 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,520 everyone's got comorbidities, like fair enough. 135 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Kind of basically if you're old, you're probably more likely to 136 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,000 have a comorbidity. I'm certainly not screwing with 137 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,080 that. But when you look at the 138 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,000 statistical analysis in this regard, kind of there seems to 139 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,080 be no reason for anyone else to be worried, right? 140 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,200 Because the, the, the narrative that began spreading at that 141 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,680 point in time was like, oh, you know, the young people haven't 142 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,160 caught them. It just makes no sense because I 143 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,520 have young kids in school, right? 144 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,000 Cardigan, the very second, the very second where anyone that's 145 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,440 got an illness in school, every child has it and brings it home, 146 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,760 you know, to their parents. So it's just like, you know, oh, 147 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,360 this magically only spreads around elderly people. 148 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,760 I mean, what a lot of you know, this is completely lunatic. 149 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,200 This our narrative. And, and, and the, the average 150 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,240 age of death was like 82, which is, which is higher than the, 151 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,600 the, the normal average age of death. 152 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,520 So is there anything COVID makes you live longer? 153 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,360 By the sounds of it, you know it's just just nonsense. 154 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,400 It was, it was just complete and utter nonsense. 155 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Yeah, basically. And, and then I think it was in 156 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,120 June, there was a study out in The Lancet, I think it was an 157 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,240 answer anyway, kind of basically kind of where frontline staff of 158 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,520 the NHS, they've done investigation into 200 people, 159 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,160 kind of 200 frontline staffers, right? 160 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,159 And they've found that 44% of the frontline staff kind of 161 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:37,039 basically had essentially were diagnosed with COVID, as in 162 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,720 they'd had it at some point in time, right? 163 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,919 And not a single one had required hospital 164 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,600 hospitalisation. It's just like, look at those 165 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,200 sort of numbers, like those people most at risk, like half 166 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:48,800 of all people have had it because that's fair. 167 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,160 Let's be honest, going to be some of them will step through 168 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,040 the gap. So let's just say basically one 169 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,720 out of two basically have had this illness, right? 170 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Kind of. And not a single one even 171 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,680 required hospitalisation. Most of them weren't even aware 172 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:03,720 that had it. It was just like, yeah, that's 173 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,720 definitely something was not quite right here. 174 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,760 And then of course, there's all to talk about like we needed a 175 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,760 vaccine for this. And that. 176 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,040 That just sort of seemed almost comical to me because pretty 177 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,920 much the first thing we were told basically by Boris Johnson 178 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:21,000 was that this is a highly infectious, fast mutating virus, 179 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:21,640 right? OK. 180 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,680 First off, if if it's highly infectious, then we're all going 181 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:26,400 to get it, right? That's not really two ways 182 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,360 around that. And if it's fast mutating, can 183 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,280 it then no, no, no vaccine will ever do, right. 184 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Or rather, the vaccine would need to be so planned, kind of, 185 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,360 you know, to catch all the strains there. 186 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,040 It just seemed like complete nonsense. 187 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,000 So it was just sort of like around that point in time, 188 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,760 basically just sort of, you know, my sort of sort of 189 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,440 personal stance sort of hardened and they say I was just not 190 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,040 going to take any of these bloody vaccines. 191 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,120 And yeah, then in itself kind of basically turned into a little 192 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,560 bit of fight, of course, because a lot of people kind of discreet 193 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,280 very, very strongly kind of with that perspective. 194 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,760 And on a couple occasions, I went down to the doctor for 195 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,520 other reasons. I've got hey fever and, you 196 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,000 know, go down there for the annual sort of consultation kind 197 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,800 of to get your hey fever sprays and stuff like that. 198 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,640 And the doctor was very insistent upon me taking this 199 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,200 stupid vaccine. It's like, I'm not saying that, 200 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,720 but yeah, it was just, it's just, it was just, it was, it 201 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,880 was just a you're caught in some sort of parallel world where the 202 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:27,480 entire sort of world had just like, you know, been seduced by 203 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,960 some really strange narrative which didn't seem to conform 204 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,120 most to reality. It was just really odd, you 205 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,360 know? But yeah. 206 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,200 Yes. And, and at that point, I guess 207 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,680 you're beginning to see the, the architecture of control appear, 208 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:48,280 right, Because there was this deference to authority, to 209 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:53,600 experts, to unelected groups of people, sort of, you know, who'd 210 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,040 always been hovering in the background than we'd never 211 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,920 really known about. But all of a sudden they're 212 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,480 front and centre and they're on the news and they're telling you 213 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,920 what you can and can't do. And I suppose the question is, 214 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,760 well, where have you come from and where did you get your 215 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,880 authority? Yeah, I know I would. 216 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,880 I would agree with that, but I didn't, I didn't really 217 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,800 personally snap onto that until a bit later. 218 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:16,760 Basically I said the reason why I sort of thought there was 219 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,160 something really badly wrong was because of was because of the 220 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,800 2008 financial crisis. Because that, I mean, I was 221 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,800 sitting watching in real time basically as the market sort of 222 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,440 virtually collapsed, you know, in 2008, 2009. 223 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,560 And then I've watched the markets just go up in an almost 224 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:35,400 linear fashion for the next four or five years. 225 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,280 And it was just like, kind of like, this is not real. 226 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,040 This is absolutely not real. There's something kind of, you 227 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,800 know, very, very wrong with the financial markets because they 228 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,360 don't, they don't behave this way, right? 229 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,040 Kind of like fundamentally something was clearly sort of 230 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,240 saving them from behind the scenes and then gradually buying 231 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,040 up, you know, and you can see, you can see as it is right today 232 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,880 kind of as you see, you know, BlackRock and Vanguard etcetera 233 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,920 and State Street, who are all essentially exit fronts for the 234 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,480 New York Federal Reserve. I mean, clearly what happened 235 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,120 was basing in fronts like that were given an infinite budget to 236 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,400 start buying up, buying our bets of any type. 237 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,280 I mean, don't hold me to that. I might be wrong in this regard, 238 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,480 but it just sort of seems like logical to me that that would be 239 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,320 what took place. But I haven't. 240 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,640 I investigated in death, so don't hold me to that. 241 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,400 OK, that's interesting. It takes us very neatly towards 242 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,480 central banking actually, because one of the things that I 243 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,960 was keen to pick up on and and you know, you cover an enormous 244 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,520 scope of different areas in in the on your sub stack. 245 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,560 But the one we, we're going to focus on today is the, the 246 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:42,880 central banking system, but most specifically the clearing house 247 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,680 mechanism, because you have identified that as a pattern, a 248 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:52,240 template that is being well originated in central banking, 249 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,200 But there's been been deployed in lots of different places. 250 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,680 Could you, could you talk to me a bit about the, the 251 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,520 clearinghouse and where that came from and what its purpose 252 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,280 is in, in banking? And then we can have a a 253 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,600 discussion about where you've seen it deployed elsewhere. 254 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,560 Yeah. So basically in the late 18th 255 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:14,880 century there are one crisis after another and it effectively 256 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,040 led to a system. At that point in time you have 257 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,760 to understand there wasn't a single currency. 258 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,680 There were a large amount of currencies and there were a 259 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:23,520 large amount of banks and there was no advanced system where 260 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,160 electronically banks would sort of exchange cash with one 261 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,240 another. Can I guess people are 262 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,560 depositing cheques etcetera, right. 263 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:33,680 So what what happened around that point in time following a 264 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:38,520 couple crisis was that all the leading banks send sort of 265 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,520 representatives down to a Tavern in London at that point in time 266 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,120 and they're all cleared versus one another. 267 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,920 So for instance, if if one person was sending money to 268 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,480 another bank kind of basically and and vice versa, all these 269 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,280 banks would meet up and they would clear kind of those 270 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:54,640 transactions versus the end of the day. 271 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,440 And all these sort of provincial banks, which effectively 272 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,320 basically could clear all their activity with these 273 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,360 clearinghouse banks. And that's fundamentally these 274 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,520 sort of structures. So you'd have you'd have a 275 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,480 number of clearinghouse banks and you'd have kind of all these 276 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,560 sort of provincial sort of banks which would clear with the 277 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,760 clearinghouse banks. Now one of those basically, you 278 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,040 know, was the Bank of England. And in 1844, they were issued a 279 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:25,040 monopoly on currency on on, on British, you know, you know, the 280 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,400 pound sterling. And it was effectively a 281 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,400 monopoly, which gradually was phased in. 282 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,880 So I think it was about 1920, all the other competing 283 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,840 currencies were finally eradicated. 284 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:35,720 It's something along those lines. 285 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,960 But anyway, it's not really important. 286 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,400 What's important is essentially now that everyone is clearing 287 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,360 specifically in the British found sterling, right, that 288 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,840 effect means kind of the issuing currency places the Bank of 289 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,680 England right at the apex. And what that in effect means 290 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,880 that that you'll have some bank in say Leicester which will 291 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,360 clear kind of its activity with, you know, the Midland Midlands 292 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,160 Bank or whatever kind of which is a member of the Clearinghouse 293 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,160 association. And then all the declaring house 294 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,480 banks will then meet up and settle via the Bank of England. 295 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,520 So as in the Bank of England kind of just withhold all the 296 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,200 accounts. Now this sounds like efficiency 297 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,200 and of course it is efficient relative to all the banks 298 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,640 meeting up with one another. It cuts down enormously on all 299 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,120 those people meeting up with one another. 300 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,600 But if you think about it, it places the Bank of England in a 301 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,920 very, very convenient position because at any point in time 302 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,440 they can essentially refuse to clear transactions. 303 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,560 And that's fundamentally would, if, if there were to do so, then 304 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,920 that bank which would be cut off, correct from that system 305 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,880 would more or less immediately collapse because they run out of 306 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,480 out of credit base almost immediately. 307 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,200 And, and all the transaction would be so become so heinous, 308 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,200 like expensive to, to conduct relative to everyone else that 309 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,120 it would just be a suicide sentence to be effectively cut 310 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,120 off. And that basically places a 311 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,240 substantial amount of power basically in the Bank of England 312 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,720 sense. And that was essentially kind of 313 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,560 the sort of structure with the Bank of England, the central 314 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,880 bank kind of basically at the very top. 315 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,240 And then you have the clearing banks. 316 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,400 And then you have all the provincial banks at the very 317 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,480 bottom, which are clearing through the middle layer, so to 318 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,360 speak. And then in 1913, we saw 319 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,320 effectively the exact same model being phased into the Federal 320 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,560 Reserve in the United States, basically where you have, you 321 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,800 know, the the data concept of primary dealers, but it's 322 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,800 effectively the same principle which is phased in. 323 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:29,600 And then in 1892, so in, in the 19th century, there were a 324 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:34,240 number of monetary conferences. And in 1892 a very important one 325 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,560 happened where they're discussing the, the backing, the 326 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,400 asset backing of the currencies. And you know, some people want, 327 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,240 want bimetallic, basically someone, someone of the currency 328 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,240 backed both gold and silver and others only wanted gold. 329 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,920 So, you know, gold backed currencies. 330 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,960 And Alfred Ruschild turned up at that event and frankly delivered 331 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,280 sort of speech kind of that he'd written six years before, 332 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,480 essentially singing the praises kind of this clearinghouse 333 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,560 system which essentially kind of get existed in England. 334 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:06,640 Now by the time basically the conference was had, he was no 335 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,960 longer a director of the Bank of England. 336 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,079 He he had booted up and he had left it basically a year before, 337 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,640 as far as we recall. But the point is, since he had 338 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,200 written the material six years before when he was a director of 339 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,720 the Bank of England right now in 1892 as well, Julius Wolf kind 340 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:28,079 of was his academic from Zurich. He basically came up with a 341 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,680 system for performing, you know, what he suggested during global 342 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,360 clearing, you know, much the same way kind of basically kept 343 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:38,720 up with gold as a central asset in into on an international 344 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,240 basis. But he's so the people inside 345 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,600 was that in those days kind of they would ship enormous amounts 346 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,920 of volumes of gold basically from 1:00 central bank to 347 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,640 another, which obviously is in, you know, I mean, you could get 348 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,240 rough for starters, right? But it also it's pretty 349 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,560 inefficient, right? So what Julius Wolf essentially 350 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,640 suggested was instead of doing this, we will assign certain 351 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,280 central banks kind of and their votes as sort of depository 352 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,840 institutions and instead of trading the gold itself. 353 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,800 So sending all the gold around kind of will just have receipts 354 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,120 kind of base for these golds. So at any point in time, if, if 355 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:15,120 a central bank would sort of go kind of base, well, we actually 356 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:17,880 want to back the gold, they could, but it's obviously far 357 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,040 more efficient not to do that. And that's fundamentally kind of 358 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,640 basically what happened. Now that there was a book quite 359 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,160 recently, Bob, what's his name? Rogers? 360 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,520 David Rogers, what's his name? I forget kind of it's it, it, 361 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,080 it, it revolves around seed and Co, you know, about stock 362 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,720 trading. Yeah. 363 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,880 And, and that is fundamentally the same principle. 364 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,840 But this is about gold and clearing of gold kind of 365 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,440 basically essentially. And they said basically this was 366 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,800 this was suggested in 1892 kind of by Julius Wolf. 367 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,480 And there was the Express model which was implemented Bank for 368 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,440 International Settlements in 1930. 369 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,760 And when you actually read up basically essentially how the 370 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,400 Bank of International Settlements basically was 371 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,240 established, it's actually very interesting because so you have 372 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,760 the Bank of England which operates with this model and the 373 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,280 Federal Reserve had also been established by then kind of 374 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,720 basically which operated with the same model. 375 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,320 But you know, basically since as hyperinflation in Germany took 376 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,160 off in in you know basically 1919 to 1923 as far as we 377 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,080 recall, the Doors and the Young's planned stabilised the 378 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,520 German economy kind of its refusing American tax dollars. 379 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,720 And so the Young plan can only was pushed through by 380 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,640 essentially relinquishing some level of control to the Allied 381 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,760 essentially the United States basically in the United Kingdom 382 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,360 and the UK and US basically reorganise kind of basically the 383 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:46,040 banks started haven't been able to dig up information exactly 384 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,760 what it was they did, but I've been able to dig up information 385 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,480 that they did it. But it just seems really 386 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,240 convenient that this happened in 1929. 387 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,280 It's immediately kind of it's before the Bank of International 388 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,400 Settlements came to be. But what's also interesting in 389 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,920 regards to the BIS was that just exactly at the moment, exactly 390 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,880 at the moment kind of where they're having the pivotal 391 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,480 discussions about the BIS, the financial markets crash. 392 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,680 And that's basically a very subtract essay about this titled 393 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,520 Black Tuesday. And, and it's incredible because 394 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,680 on that very same day, JP Morgan sent a cable to London 395 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,960 basically, or France or forget exactly why they had the 396 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,040 negotiations. Well, in effect said that this 397 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,960 needs to be a central bank for central bankers and the 398 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,560 governments not to be involved. Basically, it's just like 399 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,720 incredibly convenient on on on the same day the markets 400 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,520 crashed. It's almost. 401 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,920 It's almost as if it was coordinated in some way. 402 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,920 Yes, exactly. That's what he sort of like sort 403 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,640 of think and when they did, when he didn't look at what came 404 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,480 afterwards regards to all the major sort of things that 405 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,760 they're trying to push through. There's always some, some 406 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,440 disaster happening at same point, some. 407 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,600 So yeah. But that's fundamentally, that's 408 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,680 fundamentally the structure that you have this hierarchical sort 409 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,160 of pattern. And, and essentially if in more 410 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,280 contemporary context, if you, if you're anyone speak of 411 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,960 subsidiarity, it's that's basically what it is, though 412 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,360 from you from a different perspective, what it's claimed 413 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:12,040 that everything is decentralised to the lowest appropriate 414 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,200 extent. But the key to that question is 415 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,960 the key to basically this, this sort of claim of subsidiarity is 416 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:23,640 to what extent, to what extent is it appropriate to hand 417 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,080 control over global things like alleged climate change? 418 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,560 Obviously that would be centralised basically like, you 419 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,920 know, for the entire world. It's, it's, it's basically an 420 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,720 inversion where everything that's everything that's of 421 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,680 convenience is centralised to the, to the greatest extent, you 422 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,280 know. Yeah, no, absolutely. 423 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,760 They were running on the same operating system basically, 424 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,760 whether they realise it or not. Can I, can I just recap, right, 425 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,800 because you've just been through a whole bunch of stuff there. 426 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,920 And I want to, I want to break it down so that my, my tiny mind 427 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,000 can, can make sure that it's actually got what you're 428 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,600 describing right. So if we wind it back to the the 429 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:04,000 late 18th century in England, there's a finance, there's an 430 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,600 economy, there's a financial system. 431 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,080 People are transacting with each other using banks that already 432 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:16,160 existed. And as trade increases, the 433 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,840 amount of transactions increase. And particularly we're thinking 434 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,040 about cheques, right? Because this is not about cash 435 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,600 particularly. This is about people writing 436 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,040 commitments, cheques to each other, to other institutions, 437 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:36,240 and the people that they're banking with need to keep track 438 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:42,000 of where these are being issued to and who's paid who and what 439 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,920 amount of money you actually still have in your bank account. 440 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,000 And if, if you've, if you've paid something where that 441 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,160 actually needs to go to like it's a huge administrative load 442 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,280 in the background of this system and essentially what they've 443 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:01,080 done, you said it's really complicated for us to do this. 444 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,160 And actually it's to the point where the system is about to 445 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,640 collapse because there's so much complexity and the 446 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,600 administration required to handle this is, is, is taking up 447 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,360 so much, so many man hours and so much time that it's becoming 448 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:19,920 unworkable. So the solution is we all get 449 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:26,200 together in one place at the end of every day and we settle all 450 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,520 of the transactions that have happened across the payment 451 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,920 network in that day. And that just makes the whole 452 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,560 thing a lot, a lot more efficient. 453 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,480 That's the, that's the initiation point, right? 454 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,760 And then basically the so that, so that's happening. 455 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,200 And then you mentioned something that I wasn't aware of actually 456 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,400 that it was only in the mid 1800s that the Bank of England. 457 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,280 So the Bank of England was just another significant bank, but 458 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,800 actually. Significant bank. 459 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,160 There was a high significant. Bank, because there was a bank 460 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,520 for the, for the role, for the, for the crown, basically. 461 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:03,360 Right, but it didn't have a monopoly on money creation until 462 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,200 later, right? I didn't. 463 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,520 I didn't know that. That's a very interesting point. 464 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,680 The bank, the bank charter Act. Oh, I mean, I, I can even talk 465 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,080 about that basically since it's the 1844 bank charter Act. 466 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:20,000 And it's interesting because the that in the run up to that, 467 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,800 there were a couple of financial disasters. 468 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,960 Kind of his guess. There always are. 469 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:30,120 And David Ricardo at that point in time essentially was on the 470 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:32,560 wall path because he wanted to get rid of all competing 471 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,320 currencies. Now, Dan Ricardo is kind of an 472 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,440 interesting sort of person because he's also referred by 473 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,640 Karl Marx of all people. So, yeah, OK. 474 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,400 Funny how these things come together. 475 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,720 Isn't it? Yeah, It's funny, isn't it? 476 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,600 Yeah. And, and especially, especially 477 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,680 when you look at the 1848 Communist Manifesto, Speaking of 478 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,840 1 central bank, like with one issuing one credit, you know, 479 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,520 essentially being in control of all credit. 480 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,360 It's just like, oh, it's, it's funny how all these things seem 481 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:00,720 to converge around this time, you know? 482 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,560 And Marx was in London a lot around that time, was he not? 483 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,440 Oh, yeah, of course. He was basically yeah, OK. 484 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,360 And and basically around this point in time, you know, anyway, 485 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,960 it's just. So, so, so, so they were, so 486 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,080 they were current. So that's really interesting 487 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,600 because people I think would would struggle to understand 488 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,840 that now and what may be less so because of what's happened with 489 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,320 crypto, right? But the idea that that you can 490 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,280 have lots of different currencies in circulation and 491 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,200 not just the the currency that's been issued out of essentially a 492 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,560 state mandated central bank, you know, that's what we've become 493 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,720 used to. But actually there were 494 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,920 different types of currency in circulation in in pre 1844. 495 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,600 Was it you said? Yeah. 496 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,320 But I mean, so I went to, I went to Hong Kong about 10 years ago 497 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,080 and I was quite astonished basically to find that there are 498 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,840 a number of different currencies and the large, yeah, the large 499 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,640 banks essentially issued their own currencies. 500 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,360 Wow. Yeah, I didn't. 501 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,320 Know that. I didn't know that either until 502 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,640 I arrived. It was just like, wow, like, you 503 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,240 know, basically imagine, imagine a central standing with a 10 LB 504 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,640 notice says HSBC on it. But yeah, that's a central 505 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,840 situation. I suppose it's a bit like when 506 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,240 you go to Scotland, I think they have RBS notes, don't they? 507 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,360 Or they used to. I don't even know if RBS exists 508 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,400 anymore. I'm, I'm, I'm kind of out of 509 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,880 touch with what's happening in banking these days. 510 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,440 But, but anyway, so, so they were, they were given the 511 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,880 monopoly and then at the same time they've gone OK, we're also 512 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,040 going to take sole centralised control of the clearing house 513 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,920 mechanism that's used to settle transactions across our net, the 514 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:45,080 whole, the whole British banking system and those things coincide 515 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,560 with each other. Well, think of it this way, 516 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,360 right? If you have, if you have like 30 517 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,520 clearing institutions, so imagine you've got like 300 or 518 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,680 3000 banks, right? And 3000 banks all clear their 519 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040 activity via say 30 clearinghouse banks. 520 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,720 And those 30 clearinghouse banks might have their own separate 521 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,640 currency unit, right? Now imagine kind of if all those 522 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,920 30 banks all of a sudden are being told, you know, 29 of you 523 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,160 will have to go. That means essentially kind of 524 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,120 the central clearing institution all of a sudden becomes just one 525 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,080 of those. Whereas before basically when 526 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,040 you have, you know, thirty types of currency, you'll have 30 527 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,280 different sensors of, of power, so to speak. 528 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,920 Because if they're the bank issuing the currency, kind of 529 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,440 basically then they're automatic in charge. 530 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,280 But if they eliminate every other sort of bank, kind of 531 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,880 basically suddenly you only have one in charge. 532 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,320 And I haven't looked into this. I will just say kind of 533 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,120 basically logically that's that's where this sort of leads. 534 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,720 Yeah. So there's a huge consolidation 535 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,240 of power. Massive. 536 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,480 Yeah. And and then essentially what 537 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,440 what that what they're doing there, if you think about like 538 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,960 what that role actually entails, they at that point take 539 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,120 ownership of truth across the banking system. 540 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,880 Would you would you agree with that? 541 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,160 I think it depends on kind of basically who's who's deficient 542 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,240 truths we're talking about here. Well, what what has and hasn't 543 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,120 happened on the on in the network, right? 544 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,960 Because essentially you need to settle every day down to all of 545 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,760 the ledgers across all of the institutions need to reconcile 546 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,600 with each other. And therefore that is the 547 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,280 settled current state of play in the banking system gets to find 548 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:26,560 that the meeting controlled by Bank of England with other 549 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,520 participants. So therefore they're controlling 550 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,280 what what what what what reality is in a way I don't. 551 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,320 I don't. I don't necessarily disagree 552 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,440 with what you're saying. It's just like when someone 553 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,920 tells me what truth is, I guess. Are you sure? 554 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,240 Because Because a lot of people tell you what truth is these 555 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,360 days, and a lot of people are not right. 556 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,880 OK, well, no, it's OK. So they would think that they 557 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,000 have control of truth. Maybe we put it like that 558 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,280 rather. Than I'm not I'm. 559 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,760 Not making, I'm not making an objective statement. 560 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,440 I'm just saying that within this, within their closed loop 561 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,960 system, they're in control. They control the unit of account 562 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,200 is how I, how I put it OK and everything, everything is built 563 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,520 up around that. OK, right. 564 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,240 Very good. So this is that's, that's I'm, 565 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,720 I'm now clear on that. And, and then essentially what 566 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,280 they're running, it's kind of a franchise model, right? 567 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,400 Because people look at the banking system and they know, 568 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,320 Oh, well, I can go into Lloyds or I could go into HSBC or I 569 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,240 could go into, I don't know, nationwide, like any, any of 570 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,840 these different kind of retail banks on the High Street or 571 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,720 they're less present on the High Street these days. 572 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,200 But you understand what I mean. But they, what they don't 573 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,680 realise is that actually what you're dealing with is just a 574 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,520 franchise of the Bank of England central banking system. 575 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320 So. I think that objects usually to 576 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,720 that. Yeah, I know what you mean. 577 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure they would object to it 578 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,920 because, you know, but if you strip it away, that is 579 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,040 essentially what's going on in the background, right? 580 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,720 And and actually the other thing you mentioned, which I find 581 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,480 really interesting is that you've got 2 tiers below the 582 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,200 Bank of England. So they're the central bank, but 583 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,440 then you've also got the clearing house banks, which is a 584 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,800 privileged position in the hierarchy. 585 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,920 And if I remember, there were like 1617 of those, something 586 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:05,800 like that. No. 587 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,560 So I've read a number of documents kind of. 588 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,240 Some of them say that's 26 and and another said 39 so. 589 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,280 OK. All right. 590 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400 There were there were relatively low amount of them and the but 591 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,920 the point is just you had the 3000 provincial banks would then 592 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,040 settle through deep, deep, you know, clearinghouse that they 593 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,080 were a member of the clearing houses would then settle kind of 594 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,400 basically kind of by the Bank of England. 595 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,040 Yes, Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's a pyramid structure. 596 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,400 That's what we're looking at, yeah. 597 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,480 Exactly. And, and when, when, when this 598 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,680 model was then brought into the United States and then basically 599 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,360 the Bank for International Settlements was again exactly 600 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,320 the same structure, but just within global capacity where 601 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,480 essentially the central banks themselves then basically become 602 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,520 notes within that hierarchy. But that's actually. 603 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,480 Sorry, go on, but. That's actually where it becomes 604 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,840 interesting because one of those I went to the reason I sort of 605 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,520 thought kind of this Bank for International Settlements was 606 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,040 sort of sort of the centre of power. 607 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,920 But I think that's actually a little bit of a misunderstanding 608 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,640 because essentially the the BIS effectively coordinates the 609 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,680 currencies in such way that basically whoever sort of owns, 610 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,280 so to speak, the settled currency is in effect the 611 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440 organisation on top. So that means basically the 612 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720 Federal Reserve Bank of New York is for all currency transactions 613 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,920 involving your stolen is the Fed basically faculty in charge? 614 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,680 And for the British pound sterling, the Bank of England is 615 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,000 in charge, if that makes sense. Think, think, think of the BIS 616 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,920 as a forum more than anything in this regard. 617 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,640 But I mean, I need to, I need to look into more into basically 618 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,600 kind of how it makes sense for it to work that. 619 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,960 Way OK, but I'll come back to that in a second. 620 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,760 And then and the the operational framework, the manual for this 621 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,960 is come from, you mentioned a member of the Rothschild family. 622 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,640 I didn't catch the first name. Alfred. 623 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,720 Alfred the Rothschild, yes, OK. And then also Julius Wolf was 624 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,520 slightly later. So basically we've got 625 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:15,360 operational specifications defined in the late 1800s in 626 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,640 London by a vanishingly small number of people. 627 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,880 I mean, we're talking, you know, we've got two names here. 628 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,240 There's probably not that many others around them who are 629 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,480 feeding into this. And this is a hugely complex 630 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,160 administration that they're specifying has then become the 631 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,680 de facto template for central banking in, well, it's 632 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,720 approaching every country on earth now, right? 633 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,480 Because this is a universal system that they're rolling out. 634 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,080 Yeah, I, I, I think, I think the sense of the system itself is 635 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,880 actually fairly simple. But what these people are 636 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,520 really, really good at is making it really, really complex and by 637 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,040 dressing it in, in different clothes, so to speak, because 638 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,200 the same model they roll out based in, in every aspect. 639 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,080 But it, it's just, it's just, you know, so impenetrable. 640 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,240 Some sometimes the, the, the, the language. 641 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320 I mean, it seems like if you read, if you read contemporary 642 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,440 United Nations documents, you know, with a sopium phrasing, 643 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,760 it's kind of amateur in comparison to it. 644 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,560 But I mean, you can clearly see basically that they, they 645 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,880 practise the same, you know, techniques. 646 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,120 They they make something fairly simple, fairly complex, 647 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,080 basically just just just by explaining it in a complex way. 648 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,200 Yeah, so they dress it up in a load of unnecessary information. 649 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,600 And the the devil is in the detail, as they say, right? 650 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,880 You have to really dig in to find the little Nuggets of 651 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,840 information that that are important. 652 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,680 And so then this template has been replicated at the Fed 1913 653 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,000 then replicated the Bank of International Settlement and the 654 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,800 who's who's kind of controlling these institutions because a lot 655 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,680 of people, particularly with the Bank of England, I think because 656 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,040 it says England, people think, Oh, well, this is a state 657 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,640 organisation, state run, state owned. 658 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,080 But it, it's not, is it, is it private? 659 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,320 And if it is private, who's actually who owns it and who's 660 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,719 pulling the strings? I can ask that question 661 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,760 continuously. It's one of those sort of things 662 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,000 if you, if you actually attempt to investigate the ownership 663 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,120 structure, you know, the official document say, oh, it's 664 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,600 owned by the state basically. But I mean, it's, it's very, 665 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,639 very cloudy, very, very opaque. And it's, it's, I haven't, I 666 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,760 deliberately haven't addressed it head on because there are 667 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,800 certain questions which are designed to waste time, right? 668 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,159 So, for instance, I've, I've spent a lot of time kind of 669 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,280 basically regards to addressing sort of climate change, for 670 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,679 instance. And I've never done that by 671 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,800 taking on the sort of taking on the monster, so to speak, where 672 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,520 it's, where it's the strongest, right? 673 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,280 Because there's certain aspects of of these conversations where 674 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,720 they've spent decades, you know, strengthen the argument so you 675 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,440 can, they can have you run around in circles for years. 676 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,440 So this is no point in even addressing this considering 677 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,720 consider, for instance, basically gain of function, 678 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,760 right? Everyone's, I was speaking about 679 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,800 gain of function almost immediately, kind of when the 680 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,240 sort of scandemic broke out, right? 681 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:12,400 And here we are five years later. 682 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,680 Can you, can you please tell me what exactly materialised from 683 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,280 all this? It's just been a classical waste 684 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,720 of time from our perspective, kind of basically. 685 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,480 And the same thing is in regards to this sort of conversation 686 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,320 about who controls the central banks. 687 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,520 It's from, from our perspective. I I can, you know, tell you 688 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,920 basically what, what I believe, but I'd, I'd rather finish off 689 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,200 my sub stack article on it and then I'm not quite there yet. 690 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,280 OK. No, that's, that's no, totally, 691 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,840 that's that's absolutely fine. I also think another interesting 692 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,400 perspective on this, again, which is coming from some of the 693 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,040 stuff that you've written, is this idea of ownership versus 694 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,360 control. So actually, you don't need to 695 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,720 own everything if you can make it do whatever you want it to 696 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,000 do. Which is the same thing as 697 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,480 owning it anyway, right? Exactly. 698 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,480 Yeah, that's that's basically kind of, you know, sort of like 699 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,880 if you if you heard the term sort of own nothing controlled 700 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,440 everything, right, Between both Ross Shield and Rockefeller 701 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,840 associate with that, that that phrase, right. 702 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,280 Basically, kind of if you think about the clearing structure, if 703 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,920 you you own the clearing note and you refuse someone to trade, 704 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,120 then it doesn't matter how much money he's got in his bank 705 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,920 account because you can't use it anyway. 706 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,840 Think of all the people kind of in regards to the talkers, the 707 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,560 talker rallies in Canada what their bank accounts sort of 708 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,800 seized or you know, closed for a while. 709 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,040 You know, it didn't matter if that 10 million Canadian dollars 710 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,360 based on a bank account because they couldn't use them, right? 711 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,640 It requires you require, you require access to the system. 712 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,560 And it's, it's interesting really, because so classical 713 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,000 Marxism of course, speaks about, you know, it's control over the 714 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,160 means of production, right? Kind of it's but Alexander 715 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,000 Bogdanov, who is, you know, one of the people I've covered the 716 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,880 most and one hell of a intelligent person. 717 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,840 But you can always acknowledge that, acknowledge that even if 718 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,920 you strongly disagree with him. But like, he was no doubt an 719 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,760 absolute genius, right? And he acknowledges this. 720 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,480 He says Marx, what's wrong in this regard? 721 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,160 It's not about who owns the means of production. 722 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,720 It's about who effectively performs the administration. 723 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,320 Yeah. And that's again, kind of 724 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,480 basically the sort of expert panels and the sort of 725 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,240 subsidiarity structure comes in because, you know, for each 726 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,520 individual note, hierarchical note, you know, basically that 727 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,040 clearing, whoever controls that clearing will effectively sort 728 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,680 of, you know, put a step to your, your, your activity, your 729 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,520 business activity if they don't like you. 730 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,560 And so if you own the means of production, it doesn't really 731 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,960 matter if you can't sell into the market. 732 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:39,120 Right, exactly, exactly. OK, so then how have you, how 733 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,880 has this then been lifted and applied elsewhere? 734 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,080 Right. So we've talked about this idea 735 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,920 of a clearing house, which I I've described as the sort of 736 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,440 control of truth in the system. You're not quite so sure, but 737 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:57,680 you know, it's about controlling a, a system in a way that it 738 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,120 will, it will behave in the way that you want it to. 739 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,960 That's you're then seeing this pattern applied in every area of 740 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,600 the system now, right. So this is this is this idea 741 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,360 that there is a kind of there's a hierarchy. 742 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,240 There's a bunch of vanishingly small group at the top or even 743 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:20,960 sometimes individuals at the top of the pyramid, then some kind 744 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,720 of selected gilded few who can sit in the level below that. 745 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,840 The kind of experts that get appealed to as being the, the, 746 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,560 the body of knowledge that we should all defer to and, and 747 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,120 then these sort of structures and then where our politicians 748 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,760 go to say, oh, well, we must listen to these people. 749 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,960 And actually this is a way of degrading democracy, right? 750 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,760 This is actually controlling supposedly democratic systems. 751 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,920 And you can see them across every part of our society. 752 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,920 It's not. It's not really democracy at 753 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,080 all. Probably the easiest way to 754 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,480 understand the clearinghouse mechanism, or at least the way 755 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,280 sort of really snap to if you imagine a tug of war, right, 756 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,320 you've got you've got two teams, you know, basically trying to 757 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,000 obviously beat the opponent, you know, basically with the rope 758 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,040 between them right Now, imagine if all of a sudden a judge 759 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,400 decides that he has to sit in the middle and he has to sort 760 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,880 of, you know, pull a little bit in this direction or that 761 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,120 direction. That's effectively going to base 762 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,920 what the middleman does. He just sort of dictates, no, 763 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,280 it's not fair what you're doing on this side. 764 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,360 So I'm just going to help out a little bit in this sort of 765 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,000 direction. That's that's sort of basically 766 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000 what the middleman sort of does based in this regard. 767 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,680 The expert panel basically they said and dictate like who should 768 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,240 be helped a little bit and who should be, you know, penalised 769 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,800 in that regard. And, and basically we spoke with 770 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,640 Julius Wolf before who effectively traded the 771 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,000 foundation of the, you know, the gold receipt, you know, 772 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,120 international trading basically gold receipts, right. 773 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,120 So what he frankly did basically care was he wrote a book in in 774 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,040 1892 which fundamentally came down to defining a system of 775 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,400 public and private partnership, which effectively focused around 776 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,600 kind of basically this financial mechanism, which is basically 777 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,600 the full clearance system for blah, right? 778 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:10,200 But in 1899, a Marxist provisionist by the name of 779 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,680 Edward Bernstein released a book titled Evolutionary Socialism. 780 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,640 Evolutionary Socialism. Sorry. 781 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,640 And what that book in effect said was that, yeah, the public, 782 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,640 I like the, I like the idea of a public private partnership, but 783 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,040 it needs to be put to use for some sort of social good. 784 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,840 And which is incidentally, exactly kind of based what Tony 785 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,000 Blair in his article in 1991 in Marxism Today, he said the exact 786 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,240 same thing. But anyway, so that was 1899, 787 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:38,920 right? Kind of basically. 788 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,280 And then in 19 O 6 to 1914, something along those signs, 789 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,200 Arthur Pennsy and TDH Cole of the Fabian Society, they 790 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,520 introduced the concept of guilt socialism, UK guilt socialism, 791 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,400 which effectively kind of this was the same model, right? 792 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,280 It's about cooperatives, expert panel cooperatives and, and, 793 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,600 and, and basically, how should I put it? 794 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,360 It's essentially kind of the same mechanism again, right? 795 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,360 Kind of. But the point here is 796 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,760 essentially the mechanism. Then what's lifted by Leonard S 797 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,440 Wolf was also basically a member of the Fabian Society and he 798 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,520 wrote essentially a book which he called International 799 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,280 Government and it's, it's and it was probably kind of by the 800 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,560 favourite side as well. And, and it's, it's an 801 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,560 astonishing sort of book. Now, 2/3 of the book is pretty 802 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,560 tedious and boring, right? Can I be suppose it's the final 803 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,440 third is actually really interesting because what he's 804 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,120 saying in that book, and obviously it's 2 words to a 805 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,480 letter part of it. So no one pays attention was 806 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,680 that that they want to get rid of sovereignty. 807 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,800 And the reason the way they're going to get rid of sovereignty 808 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,280 is essentially kept by creating an international structure where 809 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,840 effectively international organisations like a 810 00:41:51,840 --> 00:42:01,240 contemporary NGO would be in charge of its specialised field, 811 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,120 so to speak. So you'd have like a postal 812 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,640 union which would be in charge of all things relative to, you 813 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:12,280 know, mail, etcetera, right? And the way essentially power 814 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,800 would be gradually syphoned off the individual sovereign nation 815 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,560 to the to these NGOs would be that these NGOs would insert 816 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,760 themselves into their own specialised field and they would 817 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,000 then apply pressure to the individual nations basically to 818 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,080 get rid of free movements of labour, right? 819 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,680 And also free tariffs. Because essentially by 820 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,320 eliminating tariffs and opening borders, it would very slowly, 821 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,320 but gradually sort of by necessity, equalise taxation 822 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,960 between different nations. So if you if you have like 823 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,600 French basin, two nations say no way in Sweden, right? 824 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,320 If one of them has a massively different taxation system to the 825 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,400 other, then by eliminating tariffs and eliminating free 826 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,560 movement, kind of basically, you know, they would they would have 827 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,240 to harmonise kind of the rules because otherwise kind of people 828 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,520 would just go where more financially beneficial. 829 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,480 You know, and that's fundamentally what happened, 830 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,240 especially in 1990s where all of a sudden there was this wave, 831 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:13,440 colossal wave, kind of basic on neoliberalism, you know, with 832 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,320 Krugman and and Stiglitz and and so forth. 833 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,840 I mean, there were a huge amount of them with Greenspan obviously 834 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,200 in, in deep in the Federal Reserve. 835 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,560 And you had Larry Summers and, and interesting, Larry Summers 836 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,800 was actually the person, one of the two people kind of basically 837 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,400 who introduced at bulls to the concept of, of independent 838 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,200 central banks kind of basically in the Bank of England under the 839 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,760 Labour government in 1997 was essentially granted its 840 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,720 independence. And that was because of at 841 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,280 bulls. I mean, very few people know 842 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,120 about this. It took it took quite a long 843 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,320 time to to find that that Fabian tracked. 844 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,320 But yeah, that's basically how that came to be. 845 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,520 But anyway, going so so. That so that was from Leonard 846 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,040 Wolf at the turn of the last century. 847 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,520 And and and and. OK writing about international 848 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,920 governance. Yeah. 849 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,240 So that's in 1916, OK, nine at that point I'm obviously what 850 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,240 World War One is waging, right, kind of basically. 851 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:10,520 And in 1919, you know, after the Basai Treaty or the other kind 852 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,400 of we have the we have the League of Nations and the League 853 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,120 of Nations, kind of one of the one of the Co founders was 854 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,920 Alfred Simmons. And Alfred Simmons used 855 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,680 international government as the sort of blueprints for how the 856 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,000 system should work. And and he then basically, I 857 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,520 mean, he's a very interesting character because in 1924 he was 858 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,240 part of the IIC, which was the administrator, part of the Lady 859 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,720 UNESCO. And in 1926 he wrote a book 860 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,760 called called the third British Empire, where he essentially 861 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,280 said we need to get rid of the British Empire and we need to 862 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,840 reestablish it. Basically, it's an economic so 863 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,320 shell basically connect and the aspect that needs to guide some 864 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,240 future strategy needs to be international social justice. 865 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:52,880 That's basically more or less what he said in that book. 866 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:56,800 But at that point in time, he also founded, Co founded the oil 867 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,520 industry of international affairs, Phantom House with 868 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,680 Lionel Curtis. Lionel curious. 869 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920 Basically in 1918, I think it was basically writing about the 870 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960 Commonwealth nations, basically, you know, I mean, it's it's it's 871 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,080 it's astonishing because all this sort of just lines up one 872 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,840 thing after another. And I mean, I used to say, yeah, 873 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,400 I quite a lot basically just to Fact Check and God knows what 874 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640 else, especially all three is pretty good for that because 875 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,080 it's just such a pain in the arts at times because it insists 876 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,920 on the mainstream media narrative kind of. 877 00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:27,200 But yeah, it's it's, it's just, it's one of those sort of things 878 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,480 when you just reminded of how incredibly accurate all these 879 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,320 sort of things are. It's just one thing after 880 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,760 another. There's never any overlap or 881 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,720 anything like that. It's literally just one thing 882 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,200 after another. It's like, clearly planned. 883 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,640 Yes, indeed. And Simmons, an interesting one, 884 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,280 right? Because I think he was related 885 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,040 to the Miller Group, was he not? Is he working? 886 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,080 Because a lot of what went into the creation of Chatham House 887 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,160 came out of the Rhodes Milner Group. 888 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:57,040 Yeah, but then, but then, but then he's, he's also basing, 889 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,320 he's thinking around publications coming out of the 890 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,720 Fabian Society. Yeah, I mean, a sense of, but I 891 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,880 mean, that's not really so strange because basically when 892 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,400 you trace back like who Cecil Rhodes, if I could borrow this 893 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,600 money from, basically you find familiar names, you know? 894 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,960 Yes, yes, Well, I think, well, Natty Rothschild I think was one 895 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,280 of the executives of his wills and one of, I think he had like 896 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,600 7 wills or something. You know, it's, it's, it's 897 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,400 amazing really. But this sort of this, this 898 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,000 coincidence, this is what I think people, a lot of people 899 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,160 struggle with, right, Is that you look at the Fabian Society 900 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,240 that is ostensibly A socialist organisation. 901 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,720 Every man, every Labour Prime Minister that we've had since 902 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:43,760 the formation of the Labor Party, which actually itself I 903 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,200 think may well have been a Fabian project, has been a 904 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,000 member of the Fabian Society. But then also these people are 905 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,320 working hand in glove with the central banking system and the, 906 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,120 the international financial supposed elites, right? 907 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,880 So actually this, the way I think about this, I, I try to 908 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,240 break things down as simply as possible for myself, right? 909 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,600 Which is basically This is Money and power, power and money 910 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,560 working hand in hand with each other and. 911 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,760 Yes, but there's more to it than that. 912 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,760 Basically, because if you actually look at the Communist 913 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,400 Manifesto, everyone sort of thinks it needs to be a violent 914 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,680 revolution. But Englis himself in his later 915 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,680 writing sort of say kind of, no, it doesn't actually need to be a 916 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,480 violent revolution. All we need is for it to always 917 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,680 travel in One Direction and never take a step backwards. 918 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,680 So even if it sort of comes down, slows down to an almost 919 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,920 total crawl, it's acceptable just as long as it it heads an 920 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,680 steady March towards socialism. Right. 921 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,960 And so this, this is the long March. 922 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,760 Yes, so to speak. And and obviously that's 923 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,840 basically where the failure insider comes in because they're 924 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,360 all about, you know, very, very slow sort of bulk towards the 925 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,680 end objective, which is identical connected to that of 926 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,400 communism. Yes, right. 927 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,360 When I strike, I strike hard, which is what I think we're in 928 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,000 at the minute. I think we're in the striking 929 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,320 hard bit at the moment. But what's? 930 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,520 Faster. I think they're trying. 931 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,080 Yeah, they're certain. They're certainly trying. 932 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,160 I think that they lack the the constitution for it. 933 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,920 I think some of these people like Starmer, I don't think he's 934 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,920 quite got it in him, to be honest with you. 935 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,200 I hope. I hope not anyway. 936 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,760 I, I just disagree. I think Starmer is, I think 937 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,160 Starmer is going to do whatever it takes. 938 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,760 Kind of I don't, I don't like him at all. 939 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,640 He's he's an executive committee member, kind of basically a 940 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,760 figured society. He he is right in there. 941 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,480 But I think, I think I think quite possibly kind of the 942 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,880 biggest issue that they came up against kind of during during 943 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,000 COVID was that they fundamentally expected to be in 944 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,440 control of information by now. And they haven't managed to seal 945 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,520 that deal. And I think that's fundamentally 946 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,760 what they find themselves up against. 947 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,520 Because if they controlled the message everywhere, you know, 948 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,960 sort of there have been one thing kind of based, but there 949 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,560 are an increasing amount of us who, who sort of realise there's 950 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,920 something not quite right here. So I think kind of basically 951 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,840 they're in the position right now, if they slam too hard, can 952 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,520 people are going to object. And I think they're trying to go 953 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,400 it slowly kind of based about people waking up. 954 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,000 So they're in the position that what the hell are we going to 955 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,400 do? And that's where it's slightly 956 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,680 fair that all the, you know, they keep drumming, drumming the 957 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,600 beats of war, you know, kind of basically, I don't like that 958 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,200 because unfortunately war is one of those situations would would 959 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,680 simultaneously enable everything they're trying to do basically 960 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,400 kind of through authoritarian about grabbing power, you know. 961 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,360 Well, because it's national security at that. 962 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,640 Point exactly. Exactly. 963 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,440 Yeah, No, no, I completely agree with you. 964 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,320 And I think we can see what they're doing. 965 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,640 And I agree that they thought they'd have more control of the 966 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,840 information. I also think that they thought 967 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,440 the the population was more stupid than than them. 968 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:50,360 And actually, it turns out that's that's not the case, not 969 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:55,520 universally anyway. And a lot of what I'm seeing is 970 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,320 what they're, what they're calling epistemic security, 971 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,320 which, you know, is, is very much about knowledge and truth. 972 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,960 You know, it's inherent in the word epistemic. 973 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,400 And they're using a similar approach to what we're talking 974 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,760 about here, right? It's a, it's a clearinghouse 975 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,480 approach. You've got organisations like 976 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,240 the the Trusted News Initiative, which could be a proxy for the 977 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:20,840 Bank of England in the, in the central banking system and then 978 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,720 below that which is coordinated by the BBC. 979 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,040 So you've got another British organisation in there. 980 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,160 And then below that you have, you know, I can't remember all 981 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,600 of the names in it, but I think the Telegraph, the Financial 982 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,560 Times, CNN, all those types of organisations are in there too. 983 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:41,000 And that's, that's a, the same pattern essentially as what 984 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,720 you've described in the clearinghouse model. 985 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,840 It's exactly what they tried to do in, in the media space during 986 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,000 COVID. And they, you know, they, it's 987 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,880 evolved. They've moved it on from the 988 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,760 Trusted News initiative because I think that. 989 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,120 But think about this, just think about this for a split second, 990 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,120 because that actually gives us opportunities, right? 991 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,200 I agree with you, right? But now imagine, remember kind 992 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,120 of during COVID, we, we had like 1020 media all posting, hello, 993 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,880 posting exactly the same message or the same story at exactly the 994 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,760 same point in time within minutes, right? 995 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,600 Think about this for a split second, right? 996 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,920 Because if you've got 10 mainstream media outlets which 997 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,000 all supposedly independent, but post more or less exactly the 998 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,360 same information at the same point in time, then there is 0% 999 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,360 likelihood that it wasn't basically controlled from sort 1000 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,560 of higher up of, from within the organisation. 1001 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,120 It's not a dependent journalism is what I'm saying. 1002 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,080 And that it, it, there are these sort of things which they 1003 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,520 haven't really thought to, they've skipped a beat there. 1004 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,720 But in some regards and, and fundamentally, there are certain 1005 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,000 things kind of basically you can use to call them out because 1006 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,160 basically there's just no way that the Telegraph and, and, you 1007 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,960 know, some organisation in the United States would release 1008 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,120 exactly the same story at the same time. 1009 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:52,600 It's completely absurd, you know? 1010 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,240 Yeah, yeah, right. And, and actually, you can, you 1011 00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,560 know, it looks like someone's issuing press releases. 1012 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,320 And then actually in, in in a similar fashion, if you look at 1013 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:08,040 the role that organisations like Reuters or The Associated Press 1014 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,600 or the French one, I think it's called AFP, the role they play 1015 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,040 in the system, again, is similar to what we're describing here. 1016 00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,680 They've become the sort of central focal point at the top. 1017 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,440 People go to them and say, oh, look, Reuters has issued 1018 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,440 something. I'm basically going to copy and 1019 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,360 paste what they've written and then put my logo on it. 1020 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,120 And I might put a few additional lines. 1021 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,640 But broadly speaking, is the same thing, right? 1022 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,440 And, and this is exactly the same model that they take in 1023 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,680 every single area of the system. I mean, you talked about climate 1024 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,200 change. That's basically what the the 1025 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,920 IPCC is, right? That's the central bank in terms 1026 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,240 of climate data. Would you say, I mean, if I, if 1027 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:49,480 I can come and just basically there is a concept called an 1028 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,200 information clearinghouse, if you can look it up, it's there 1029 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,840 is, there is, there is an information clearinghouse and 1030 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,320 essentially kind of a central organisation which administers 1031 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,080 information. And I'll let some to them. 1032 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,760 You know, when I look into global surveillance, basically 1033 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:07,040 where we have have scope reports which effectively led to the 1034 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,200 global environment monitoring system in the early 60s, sorry, 1035 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,360 70s, kind of basically where they wrote these incredibly 1036 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,920 detailed reports, which just seemed like superhuman at the 1037 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,960 time. And when they founded, you know, 1038 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,000 Gems, they also founded Infotera, which was essentially 1039 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,440 the information clearing house, which administered information 1040 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,240 in that regard. But furthermore, kind of 1041 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:29,760 basically in the 1920s, Rockefeller spent rather a lot 1042 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,360 of money on PAC 1313, which is the public administration 1043 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,560 clearing house. It's it's the same model which 1044 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,760 they applied basically in every setting. 1045 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:46,720 Wow, OK, fascinating. I've got so much written down 1046 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:47,800 here. I'm going to be, I'm going to be 1047 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,080 research. You've given me a lot to go and 1048 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,680 research. Yeah, where I will say, like the 1049 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,480 information that you're gathering is is astonishing, 1050 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,800 right? What's your approach? 1051 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,480 I mean, obviously it's like desk based, right? 1052 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,040 Or are you going into libraries? Or like where are you getting 1053 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,920 all these gems from? As, as I said, basically my 1054 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,160 background relates to systems analysis and you know, I just, I 1055 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,280 just sort of, you know, gradually move in the direction 1056 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,640 kind of basically just using input output analysis basically 1057 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,320 on, on information and, and the likes. 1058 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,240 And yeah, and that's, that's fundamentally it. 1059 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,800 And I mean, I will say probably for the first year, it was 1060 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,400 really difficult to sort of find the next step because very often 1061 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,880 the biggest issue in regards to finding information, it's really 1062 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,960 fun knowing what to search for because these people, we'll 1063 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,440 readily rename everything you know, And it's very makes it 1064 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,280 really difficult to trace sort of the next step in a lot of 1065 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,800 situations. But like, you know, basically 1066 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,560 with time, you sort of like learn the little tricks and you 1067 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,640 sort of realise, OK, it could also mean this. 1068 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,960 And one of the things, so Philly Ilyona, I was sitting looking 1069 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,960 for inclusive something regards to EU, right? 1070 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,200 I think it was, I think it was in regards to gay rights or 1071 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,720 something kind of kind of said something about inclusivity or 1072 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,440 whatever, right? And I could not find the next 1073 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,720 step. And then, yeah, all of a sudden 1074 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,400 sort of realised, hang on, what's the opposite of 1075 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,160 inclusivity? It's like exclusivity. 1076 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,840 So I searched for that and boom, there it was. 1077 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,480 There's all the information. I was looking for it. 1078 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,400 They had just like literally flipped kind of the script. 1079 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,800 Now, it was not about being inclusive about it being 1080 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,960 exclusive. And they do this all the time 1081 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,640 where they just like flip the script kind of, you know, and a 1082 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,160 lot of this stuff took a long time to work out initially. 1083 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,640 Kind of once you spot the pattern and sort of understand 1084 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,200 how they work, you know, in the most dishonest way you could 1085 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,120 possibly imagine, you know, becomes a lot easier. 1086 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,280 Now, yes, that's one of the approaches I take is I think if 1087 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,440 if I was just pure evil and I wanted to do the most damage 1088 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,160 possible in the most conniving way, then what would I do? 1089 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,160 And I go and look over there and it's like, oh, there you are, 1090 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,640 that's what you do. That's the bad thing that you're 1091 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,360 doing. Okay, It's pretty much every 1092 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,880 time. Yeah, fascinating, isn't it? 1093 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,400 Yeah, so that's a good one. The inversion of meaning, the 1094 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,280 way that they play around with words and they kind of hide 1095 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,960 things in in plain sight. And then also I find that 1096 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,520 they'll run these programmes, you know, like they have these 1097 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,760 sort of transformation entities that they'll run for a period of 1098 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,000 time and then they'll shut that one down, They'll start a new 1099 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,840 one. It's basically doing the same 1100 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,120 thing and it's got most of the same people in, but it's just a 1101 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,000 way of kind of camouflaging what they're doing and hiding their 1102 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:37,960 tracks as they go along. Yeah, it's it's it's it's 1103 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,800 maximum opaqueness by intent. It's basically what organised 1104 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,960 crime do. It is organised crime. 1105 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,920 It is organised crime. Exactly. 1106 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,120 Yeah. And they're the people running, 1107 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,080 running the global system at the moment. 1108 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,960 Isn't that, isn't that encouraging? 1109 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,080 Delightful. Just to go, just to go back to 1110 00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,120 the, to the banking system and I've got an eye on the time. 1111 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,000 We'll probably wrap it up fairly soon, but I'd, you know, I'd 1112 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,440 love to do another discussion at some point if you're open to it. 1113 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,960 But to go back to the banking system, you, you did say 1114 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,560 something earlier which I found interesting and it'd be good to 1115 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,920 get your take on. You mentioned that the Bank of 1116 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,760 International Settlements, your interpretation of that is that 1117 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,920 it's basically a forum for the, for the central bankers. 1118 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,000 But, but actually, if you go to the US, the, the head of the 1119 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,560 snake in the US is the New York Fed because it's responsible for 1120 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,280 the, for the, for the US dollar. And you go to England, then the, 1121 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,920 the, the head of the snake is the Bank of England because it's 1122 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,520 sitting on top of sterling. Do you think that they're 1123 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,760 looking to migrate to a single global currency at some point, 1124 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,040 at which point the Bank of International Settlements will 1125 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,600 become the app, the absolute top level? 1126 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,400 Do you think that that's on their agenda? 1127 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,840 I think, I think what they're going to do is if you remember 1128 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,160 the EU solution, they're going to do it in stages basically 1129 00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:03,960 where you know, they have to make currencies, you know, align 1130 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,040 within a certain boundary like 15% or 20% or whatever. 1131 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,360 And then basically 10 years down the line, suddenly it's 2%. 1132 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,920 And then, you know, once every currency is aligned within a 1133 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,960 certain threshold, they'll just go, well, why do we have all 1134 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,200 these currencies and collects them? 1135 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,760 And I think that's, I think that's absolutely going to 1136 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,960 happen. It's just a question of time. 1137 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,720 And I also think, I also think that's initially, initially 1138 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:33,040 they're going to back the future currency by, by carbon, by 1139 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,560 carbon dioxide effectively, because there's not going to be 1140 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,280 1 carbon currency. There's going to be two types of 1141 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:39,680 currency. There's going to be 1 based on 1142 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,840 carbon sequestration, which is strangely aligned with 1143 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,160 convention in biological diversity. 1144 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,960 And I think kind of basically it will be a yield producing 1145 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,280 currency. And the yield it will produce 1146 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:56,880 basically will be the the carbon emission permit sort of 1147 00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,160 currency, which is basically central United Nations framework 1148 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:04,400 for climate change, UNFCCC. And I think kind of the trading 1149 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,400 currency will be the, the carbon emission permit one, that'll be 1150 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,320 the one with an expiry date, yada, yada. 1151 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,600 And there will be effectively the inverse of the energy 1152 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,680 certificates of the Technocracy Incorporated. 1153 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,800 And I think kind of basically currency, which is based upon 1154 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,160 carbon syncrisation will be limited ownership, as in you'll 1155 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,960 be have to belong to some sort of inside club in order to be 1156 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,160 allowed to own it eventually. And I think once they have that 1157 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,680 entire system in place, then they will gradually start moving 1158 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:39,120 across basically declare that's the carbon dioxide, the problem 1159 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,600 has magically solved itself, but it's not quite as bad anymore. 1160 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,120 But basically now it's a question of pesticide or 1161 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,360 whatever, you know. And because these capabilities 1162 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,600 are gradually going to face in the planetary boundaries 1163 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,960 network, which is essentially not just carbon dioxide, but 1164 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,520 it's nine different of these alleged boundaries, which I 1165 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,080 mean, it's ludicrous, ludicrous, basically planetary boundaries 1166 00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:02,200 sort of concept. Because if you actually look at 1167 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,960 that, they're all very on page, right? 1168 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:10,040 In, in, in I think it was 2015, they had realised that the level 1169 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,920 of something Catabys was outside the threshold, but they couldn't 1170 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,360 tell you what it was. They just knew what it satisfied 1171 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,080 the threshold. And in 2023, Catabysical when 1172 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,520 you look at the update. It's still outside basically the 1173 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,880 threshold, but now they know what it is. 1174 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,760 It's, it's just like, makes no sense. 1175 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,600 But how can you, how can you know, how can you know something 1176 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,720 that's outside the threshold and not know what it is? 1177 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,240 It's just complete and utter bollocks. 1178 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,960 I'm sorry, pardon my friend. But if you think about, if you 1179 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,080 think about it logically, right, kind of basically, if we go 1180 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,680 from, you know, having our currencies fundamentally backed 1181 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,320 by carbon dioxide and moving to planetary boundaries, and then 1182 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,600 the next step after that basically will become any, any 1183 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,720 kind of social inequality or whatever. 1184 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,920 And that's effectively what Simon was speaking for in 1926 1185 01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,120 because he ultimately kind of spoke about, he spoke about 1186 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,640 international social justice, which is effectively A moral 1187 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,400 economy. And, you know, the head of that 1188 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,640 snake is included inclusive capitalism, which is just sort 1189 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,200 of sort of funny how it all announce, you know. 1190 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,760 Yeah, indeed it is. Indeed it is. 1191 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,680 And the thing about Ziman as well, for me, though, I find 1192 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,640 this fascinating, right when I look at this and I think, who 1193 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:26,600 are these people? Because he was ensconced in the 1194 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,440 British Empire ultimately, right? 1195 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,760 But in, in, in, it's not probably quite in its pomp. 1196 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,240 So it was beginning to head on the kind of downward trajectory 1197 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,440 in 19 the 1920s. Probably he's in nine to five. 1198 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,680 It was the second to Boardwalk, which sat way, way too many 1199 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:45,880 resources. There was right? 1200 01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,480 Probably the moment where it started declining. 1201 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,560 Yeah, but he's sitting there in what is still essentially a 1202 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,800 British Empire with a British monarch sitting on the throne 1203 01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,600 saying, well, we're going to have to jettison sovereign 1204 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,840 nation state thing. That's no good. 1205 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:07,040 And we're going to take the architecture and the apparatus 1206 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,560 that's been created through this global empire, and we're going 1207 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,640 to abstract it and just turn it into this global thing. 1208 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,880 And that they're actually able to sit there and say that, you 1209 01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,720 know, like these, these administrators appear to have 1210 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,120 more power in a way than the sovereign, the person who was 1211 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,680 supposedly the emperor, you know, at that point of time. 1212 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,760 It's, it's, I mean, First off, kind of like these people are 1213 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,160 enormously intelligent. Kind of, you know, don't ever 1214 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,760 sort of, I see a lot of people saying, oh, these people are so 1215 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,680 stupid. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, 1216 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,240 don't ever underestimate these people. 1217 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,000 These people are really intelligent. 1218 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,760 And as I said, I said, I briefly mentioned like the scope 1219 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,480 reports, like scope one and three. 1220 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,880 So scope essentially, like I was an organisation set up by the 1221 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,200 International Council of Scientific Union, ICSU in 1969, 1222 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,440 right? Kind of basically and scientific 1223 01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,240 scope means scientific committee on problems of the environment. 1224 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,680 And they're effectively kind of the front runner in fabricating 1225 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,560 all the climate change nonsense. Basically they're one of the key 1226 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,120 organisations which fabricated that. 1227 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,640 So the, the 1st and the 3rd reports related to the global 1228 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,000 environment monitoring system, which is global surveillance 1229 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,120 basically. That's what that's right. 1230 01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:20,240 And 1973 they, they, they wrote this, the sort of implementation 1231 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,800 plan, the action plan kind of basically in this regard. 1232 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,880 And in 1974, unit GEMS came to be, I saw, saw this stuff in, 1233 01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,960 in, in higher detail. Basically, it's, it's absolutely 1234 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,240 true. But, but if you find kind of 1235 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,040 it's the scope, the third scope report and you read it. 1236 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,440 And I, I mean, first time I, I, I read it, I was absolutely 1237 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:42,480 flabbergasted because it's just the precise level of detail 1238 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,120 these people, these people include. 1239 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,440 It's just, it's just almost superhuman, right? 1240 01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,680 Kind of basically, I, I, I was sitting reading and I was like, 1241 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,600 how did you even think of this? Right. 1242 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,040 But, but it's actually, if you go back to the 60s and you 1243 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,520 consider this, the concept of spaceship Earth, what, and 1244 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,920 Kenneth Bolding is the key person in this regard. 1245 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:07,000 Kind of basically he's said in his paper from 1966 that we will 1246 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,280 sort of transition from an open solar system to a closed system. 1247 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,400 And that's fundamentally the key point here, because in a closed 1248 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,160 system everything circulates, whereas in an open system things 1249 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,040 come and they sort of go, right. But in a closed system, kind of 1250 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,200 basically everything circulates. And that's where the circular 1251 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,560 economy ultimately traces back to. 1252 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,520 But it also means that kind of, if you consider the entire world 1253 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,680 as just one Organism, so to speak, then you effectively 1254 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,080 analyse everything in that regard. 1255 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,520 And if you look at the scope reports, that's basically what 1256 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,160 they've done. So they're sitting analysing in 1257 01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,560 regards to, you know, concentration of carbon dioxide, 1258 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,960 the carbon cycle, nitrogen cycle and all that sort of stuff, 1259 01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,600 which is also aspects of calibration. 1260 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,080 They look into it makes a lot more sense. 1261 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,880 Basically all of a sudden, how come they, how come they almost 1262 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,720 had this superhuman sort of view upon calibration sense of these, 1263 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,240 these concepts? It's, it's fundamental because 1264 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,040 their perspective, it's just they, they approach the issues 1265 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,440 from a different perspective than you normally would, right? 1266 01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,040 Because you don't normally walk around sort of think, oh, I'm 1267 01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,760 just like a little Ant on this planet, right? 1268 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,600 You think I'm sort of me and you know, physically when I go down 1269 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,360 to the supermarket and buy something kind of, but these 1270 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,520 people are sort of considering you as a consumer of those 1271 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,720 things you find in the supermarket and put you into 1272 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,840 sort of a cycle, you know, it's a note in a cycle, so. 1273 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,440 That's so. No, it does. 1274 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,640 So they're kind of viewing humanity is separate to 1275 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,560 themselves, no? No, no, that's not, that's not 1276 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,440 quite what I mean, basically. I mean, essentially they 1277 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,880 consider essentially us as nodes in input output analysis. 1278 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,560 So for instance, basically if I go down, if I buy a, a new 1279 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,600 mobile phone at one point time, you know, basically there's 1280 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,240 materials and that, yeah, at one point in time, basically it'll 1281 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,640 be scrapped. Then they'll consider kind of 1282 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,640 basically what happens to those materials, kind of get where 1283 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,200 those go. And does that make sense? 1284 01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,400 So everything like for it's basically a kilo of iron will 1285 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,640 never just be a kilo of iron. It'll be a kilo of iron in a 1286 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,520 certain state, which is you can take that back to spinocy on 1287 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,400 experiences and stuff like that. But, you know, that's just, you 1288 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,840 know, that's much longer conversation. 1289 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,520 OK. Yes, Well, maybe we should have 1290 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,040 that longer conversation because that you just piqued my interest 1291 01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:12,560 on that particular point. And so then just to wrap up the 1292 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,440 you've talked about, and this is out of one of your most recent 1293 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,640 posts, where did you put this out just two days ago, right? 1294 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,160 But it's this idea that you've positioned within the 1295 01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,240 clearinghouse protocol of crisis intermediation, conditionality 1296 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,760 and control, right? This, this is the Hegelian 1297 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,560 dialectic, right? Is this? 1298 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:38,480 One, I wouldn't call it. There are aspects of of, of of 1299 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,720 dialectics in there for sure. Going to be essentially kind of 1300 01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,560 like the crisis would essentially be like, you know, 1301 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,080 think of COVID for instance, there was a crisis and alleged 1302 01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:47,440 crisis, right? Kind of basically and that 1303 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,200 immediately, you know, I mean digits ID and stuff like came 1304 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,800 through in three months in United in EU, right? 1305 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,680 In the sense like in in in early 2021, they started speaking 1306 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,040 about vaccination certificates, which are this is ID. 1307 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,400 That's what they are, right? Kind of basically. 1308 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,760 And within three months they went from discussing it in EU 1309 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,160 Parliament to have a fully working solution, which just 1310 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:09,240 worked. Florida State, right? 1311 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,160 Yeah, OK. Now the EU never agrees on 1312 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,040 anything kind of basically. So how the hell that could come 1313 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,200 to be just organically can I guess it's update, you know, BS, 1314 01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,400 right? Basically had the solution 1315 01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,080 already, right. Then they called a crisis and 1316 01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,400 then they sort of say, well, basically kind of we need a 1317 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,000 solution here. And here's the solution. 1318 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,240 This is ID as in vaccination certificates. 1319 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,200 And as part of that, that's that's where I'm talking about 1320 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,440 kind of crisis is COVID in that case based then you need an 1321 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:41,040 intermediation kind of basically and the intermediation and calls 1322 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,640 for some level of conditionality. 1323 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,600 Basically the conditionality will basically dictate who 1324 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,240 passes and who does not pass. And that then these two control 1325 01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,240 because obviously the conditionality can be 1326 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,840 controlled. And that's basically kind of, 1327 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,040 you know, it's, it's the same again and again and again, 1328 01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,240 basically kind of where the intermediate structure is into 1329 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,240 the expert panels and the conditionality basically is what 1330 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,880 they speak of. Like it's into the ethic sort of 1331 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,360 perspective. And the control then comes 1332 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,160 through basically kind of having a number of indicators, which is 1333 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:10,680 a sense of surveillance information. 1334 01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,240 And if the surveillance information is crossing some 1335 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,720 threshold, then, you know, for instance, kind of during COVID, 1336 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,640 if you have more than 80 cases per 100,000 people, then it's an 1337 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,040 automatic lockdown, right? So basically then you have your 1338 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,040 conditionality. If it's more than 80 or per 1339 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,240 100,000, then it's locked down. And that basically simply kind 1340 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,680 of means that you've got control basically kind of a statistic. 1341 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,640 Yes, yeah. And becomes kind of algorithmic. 1342 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,560 Almost exactly. Yes or no, Yes or no? 1343 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,200 Yes. And and the you, you, I wasn't 1344 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,160 actually going to say that, but that's absolutely fantastic. 1345 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,479 And it's free to try to get in because there is ultimately the 1346 01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,120 end objective is because that way you can completely sidestep 1347 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,399 all government specific because now you have an indicator. 1348 01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,319 So it's saying if it's more than 80, kind of you have to lock 1349 01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:56,319 down and that's something you can tell the computer to do, 1350 01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,319 then now you don't need anyone to do it anymore. 1351 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,680 Right, which is exactly what they're talking about doing. 1352 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:06,040 Exactly. And I talk a lot about some of 1353 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,640 the organisations who are currently transforming the 1354 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,720 political system internationally. 1355 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,560 And one of the things that they talk about a lot is the idea 1356 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,279 that at some point in the not too distant future, it will be 1357 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:18,800 AI that is governing us. And they're very, very open 1358 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,399 about this and presents. Absolutely, absolutely. 1359 01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:25,080 I've written a number of posts on it. 1360 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,399 Yeah, cybernetic tourism is, is probably, probably the best in 1361 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:31,680 that regard. But I, I mean, I've written a 1362 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,200 number of them kind of basically also I've, I've written a sub, 1363 01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,080 sub, I guess they call AI for good, kind of basically our 1364 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,680 soundtrack of papers supporting essentially this. 1365 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,200 And, and the volume of material I found was just absolutely 1366 01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,359 astonishing. Kind of, I mean, there are so 1367 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:45,880 many papers on them, kind of. Yeah. 1368 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,760 AI for good is the sense of showing that there are five 1369 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,760 steps because basically they even have computers now 1370 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,440 experiments with writing legislation and interpreting the 1371 01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:55,920 written legislation. Yeah. 1372 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,160 Since every single stage kind of discovered a human sort of 1373 01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,280 pipeline in politics, it's gradually basically being moved 1374 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,960 on to computers. You also have have an aspect 1375 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,920 kind of basically kind of titled computational ethics, which is 1376 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,120 effectively kind of you know where you have an indicator and 1377 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,440 across that indicator like more than 80 / 100,000 then you're 1378 01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:13,000 bad. If you're basically below then 1379 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,800 you're good and that's computational ethics. 1380 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,200 Then obviously you can scale that into multiple dimensions. 1381 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,680 So say for instance basically amount of like 8080 cases per 1382 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,800 100,000 people and how many deaths in the area? 1383 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,960 Yeah, you just have a sort of vector of of statistics as 1384 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:27,640 opposed to a single number. Yeah. 1385 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,600 And the, and these are decided, well, currently decided by 1386 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,720 expert panels, unelected, who are dictating what happens. 1387 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,520 And they're allowed to do that because they're doing it in 1388 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,160 response to a crisis, which means that we have to abandon 1389 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,360 all normal, normal governance principles. 1390 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,000 And we, and we just so happen at the moment as we're being told 1391 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,440 to be living in a Poly crisis between and also a perma crisis. 1392 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,400 So everything is always in crisis. 1393 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,000 That's that's that's the end objective. 1394 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,160 Kind of basically the end objective is the meta crisis. 1395 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,720 And that's that's a concept. Daniel Schmuckberger whatever 1396 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,920 kind of basic of the game B lot is talking about rather rather a 1397 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,360 bit. Now in a major crisis, you will 1398 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,760 continue to be in some level of crisis, which means the sense 1399 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,800 that kind of democratic governments can never be trusted 1400 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,600 to do anything. I mean the sense that democratic 1401 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,080 governments basically will decide basically which, which 1402 01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,800 type of flower to plant in the, you know, town square of the 1403 01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,560 sort of plant beds, you know, basically and that's about it. 1404 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,080 Yeah, yeah, exactly. That certainly feels like where 1405 01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,120 we're heading to at the moment. So something really must be done 1406 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,400 about all of this. Fantastic. 1407 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,320 Where can people follow your stuff? 1408 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,240 Obviously we'll provide links to everything, but where? 1409 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:44,760 Where should we direct them to? Escapekeep.subset.com. 1410 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,880 Fantastic, your main platform for now. 1411 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,440 Yeah, I mean, essentially, so I was on Twitter for quite a 1412 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,960 while, but I mean, this is the most sensuous organisation of 1413 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,480 the North. It's it's basically kind of we 1414 01:11:58,480 --> 01:11:59,800 spoke about clearing houses a lot. 1415 01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,080 Twitter is an information with public discourse clearing house. 1416 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,360 That's what it is. OK. 1417 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,760 If you talk about something kind of basically which we're not 1418 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,240 allowed to talk about, then you get censored and and I mean it's 1419 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,360 ridiculous towards towards the end. 1420 01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,200 I would, I would get very little traction with anything, could I? 1421 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,280 And whenever, even the few tweets basically where I would 1422 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,360 get like, you know, say basically 100 retweets, I would 1423 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:26,200 go in and look at the retweets and the likes and 99.9% would be 1424 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,560 of people who already followed me. 1425 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,600 In other words, kind of basically the only people who 1426 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,520 would be allowed to see my tweets would be those people who 1427 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,120 would already followed me to stop me from enlarging my, my, 1428 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,080 my sort of base, which is it stops free speech. 1429 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:38,720 And at the same point in time these people are talking about, 1430 01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,000 we need to break down silence, information silence. 1431 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,440 They're just liars, yeah. But yeah, I mean, since that's 1432 01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:47,560 one of the reasons why why why I quit Twitter because it's just, 1433 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,880 I mean, it's just, it's just astonishing how we can stand and 1434 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,200 talk about free speech, but it's because it doesn't practise it 1435 01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,720 at all. But yeah, basically the other 1436 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,480 positive, sorry. The other positive regards to 1437 01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:00,280 sub stack, it's a sensor you can control P and print your 1438 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,760 material and delete your account overnight if it should be, you 1439 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:07,000 know, yeah, you don't have 100,000 messages on Twitter. 1440 01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,120 Twitter kind of basically just have like, you know, a couple 1441 01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,000 hundred articles basically kind of, you know, jumped on far 1442 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,440 easier. Yeah, right. 1443 01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:15,840 Yeah, yeah. And actually I think that the 1444 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:20,600 future is probably going to be offline largely. 1445 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,920 Actually, I think there's you. You need real information 1446 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,800 integrity, then it's you got to print that thing out, you know, 1447 01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:30,320 and. No, this is the thing. 1448 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,680 This is the thing that I got. I'm slightly discreet here. 1449 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,280 Basically it needs to be distributed and decentralised, 1450 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,800 right? And, and this is actually one of 1451 01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,240 the most evil thing things they did during COVID, right? 1452 01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:44,320 Because basically everyone was sort of lauding must take over 1453 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,120 Twitter. But if you think about what what 1454 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,000 took place at that point in time, and that's sitting aside 1455 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,320 that he's also a big fan of AI ethics, which is a huge problem. 1456 01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,600 But yeah, if you think about what actually took place at that 1457 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:02,520 point in time, you had Gap, you had Telegram, you had Gator, you 1458 01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,760 had a number of other organisations, right, 1459 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,440 Competitors, which we're all gaining followers very, very 1460 01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:11,040 rapidly, right? All of a sudden, you know, Musk 1461 01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,920 sort of announces, oh, I'm totally libertarian, come back 1462 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,080 to my platform, right? And all those platforms were 1463 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,960 just sort of ignored, you know, mothballed, right, kind of 1464 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:20,200 Biscay. And that's fundamentally kind of 1465 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,680 the biggest issue as regards to Twitter as far as I'm concerned. 1466 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,880 One thing is the censorship basically, that's one thing. 1467 01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,160 But he fundamentally stop people, stop alternate platforms 1468 01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:29,640 from gathering pace. Yeah. 1469 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,640 So yeah, it destroyed the market. 1470 01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,160 It's a classic, classic big tech move. 1471 01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,000 Basically. It's what they've all been doing 1472 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,760 for the past 30 years often. And if you think about it, if 1473 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,520 you think about it, right, all this sort of stuff regards to 1474 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,920 the moral economy, the very same kind of what, you know, now, I 1475 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,400 will say kind of perhaps, perhaps he's a good guy 1476 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,600 basically. I mean, I do make mistakes. 1477 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,720 I will say perhaps Elon Musk is a good guy and he's just like 1478 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,960 forced behind the scenes. I don't know. 1479 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,520 Of course, I'm not Privy to these conversations. 1480 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:56,680 But what I will say is the few times where he sort of said, I'm 1481 01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,960 just going to publish, you know, I'm going to allow people to say 1482 01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:02,400 whatever they want, kind of basically all the big, all the 1483 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:03,880 big advertisers suddenly disappeared. 1484 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,920 Right now, I don't know about you basically, but any 1485 01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:10,520 organisation which has got that sort of power to sit and dictate 1486 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,400 kind of basically who's there to advertise where that's highly 1487 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,440 illegal in my book, that's, that's collusion and an outright 1488 01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,800 monopoly behind the scenes. I mean, that's the first thing 1489 01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,640 that should be attacked. It's, it's, it's absolutely 1490 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,800 outrageous that anyone should have the sort of right to 1491 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,720 dictate what is moral and what is not. 1492 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,520 And, and, and unfortunately we didn't have time to discuss 1493 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,080 this, but you know, the global clearing house sort of this one 1494 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,640 aspect of this. The other sort of thing is, you 1495 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,400 know, global governance through global ethics, because 1496 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,200 everything spins around ethics. Once you realise, once you 1497 01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,280 realise that it's into the ethics are manufactured kind of 1498 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,800 essentially that's, that's the it's game over in my book. 1499 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,480 Yeah, no, I completely, completely agree. 1500 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,960 Well, maybe we can have another discussion about ethics and 1501 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,680 that'd be good place to, to, to pick things up. 1502 01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,320 It's fantastic to, to talk to you. 1503 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,480 Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for all of the work 1504 01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,520 that you've been putting in. I don't see anyone else working 1505 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,280 harder on this stuff, though. The amount of documents that 1506 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,960 you've on earth and read over the past couple of years is, 1507 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,040 it's kind of mind blowing to be honest with you. 1508 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,280 So I'm kudos to you and to everyone at home. 1509 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,400 Thanks for listening. I've been Ben Rubin for UK 1510 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,600 column talking to Escape Key. Until next time, take care.