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Good afternoon. 
It's Friday the 17th of October 

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2025, just after 1:00. 
Welcome to UK column News. 

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I'm your host, Mike Robinson. 
Joining me, My coast is today, 

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Patrick Henickson. 
Welcome to the programme, 

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Patrick. 
Great to be with you, Mike. 

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And we have journalist Mark 
Anderson joining us by video 

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link today and well, actually 
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week, but in fact in the other 
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So, uh, we'll see him in a 
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So now looking, uh, later in the
program, we're going to be 

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looking at censorship, of 
course, uh, Mr. and a the latest

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advice, uh, from MI 5, uh, the 
NATO defence ministers meeting 

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and of course, Gaza. 
We're going to begin today, 

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Patrick, with anti-Semitism in 
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What's going on there? 
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story and we're pleased to be 
joined by Basil Valentine, who's

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going to be talking about this 
next story with us. 

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We'll connect him in a moment, 
but for now, let's just bring 

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this up on screen. 
This is our lead story today. 

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A pro Israel group gets 
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funding to quote, identify 
anti-Semitism. 

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What in earth is going on here? 
And now we can see this story is

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going to be very controversial. 
The Union of Jewish Students 

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will offer some 600 training 
sessions to university staff 

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over the coming weeks to help 
them quote, identify harassment 

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and hate and facilitate open and
respectful debate, says the 

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Department for Education in 
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And it goes on. 
The Department for Education 

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warns that universities could 
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protect Jewish students from 
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And they're referring to the pro
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Mike, which have been going on 
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but Europe and the world. 
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British universities refer to 
the IHR as definition of 

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anti-Semitism, which free speech
defenders say attempts to impose

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political censorship on valid 
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Something we've talked a lot 
about on this program previously

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is planning said the planned 
student protests were, quote, UN

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British and lacked respect for 
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So protesting A genocide 
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according to the PM. 
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also say they should ban 
protests that are intrusive and 

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disruptive. 
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important parts of this. 
And we'll, we'll talk to our our

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guest in a moment. 
The funding recipient, the Union

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Jewish Students, has links to 
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which funds illegal settlements 
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Jerusalem. 
So this story goes a lot deeper.

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Let's let's connect our guest, 
Basil Valentine. 

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He is a journalist and 
broadcaster based in the UK. 

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Basil, welcome to the program 
and tell us about this story. 

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Basil, this is hugely 
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I just get the feeling, Basil, 
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other side of the Atlantic seems
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of the Atlantic. 
But welcome to the program. 

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Great to be with you Patrick. 
Yes, this was announced by the 

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woman who would be deputy leader
of the Labour Party, Bridget 

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Phillipson. 
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her programme on Sunday, 
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that she had declared a national
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Of what? 
Anti-Semitism, of course, on 

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university campuses back in May,
And Kunzberg teed Phillipson up 

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by asking, well, what now are 
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Whereupon Phillipson unveiled 
this huge funding package for an

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organization, the Union of 
Jewish Students, which boasts of

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its ties with the Israeli 
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There's a clip of Nina Friedman 
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talking to Isaac Herzog and 
boasting of the fact that there 

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are former members of the Union 
of Jewish Students in prominent 

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positions in the Israeli 
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So you can't really get a 
cigarette paper between the 

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Union of Jewish Students and the
regime in Tel Aviv. 

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Koonsberg then went on to quote 
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Other virulently pro Israel 
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entirely unsubstantiated claim 
that anti Israel students at 

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1:00 unnamed British university 
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students for harassment. 
Now there's no evidence 

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presented by Kuenssberg or Stand
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No evidence, therefore of its 
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But the Manchester synagogue 
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ceasefire, are increasingly 
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and as a reason to say right, 
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genocide, that's enough now time
to shut up again or face the 

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consequences. 
The Office for Students, which I

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didn't know, is the regulatory 
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in the UK. 
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Arif Ahmed has said that there 
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universities in Britain if they 
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basically. 
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seen the extent to which that 
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legitimate protest against 
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So this is developing all the 
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We don't know what's in this 
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being provided by the Union of 
Jewish Students. 

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And yeah, this goes with another
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Holocaust education in secondary
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That, of course, refers only to 
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War, not the Gaza Holocaust. 
And is using coercive methods to

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intimidate higher education 
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down on student protests, to 
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what they call anti-Semitism on 
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genocide in Gaza, withholding 
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funding. 
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coercive measures coming into 
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Yeah, exactly. 
It's straight out of the Trump 

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playbook and Kuenssberg on 
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entire British government, 
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are are determined to keep 
reinforcing the entirely 

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mendacious narrative that anti 
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This loops back in of course, to
Professor David Miller's case 

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cases now and Nina Friedman, the
individual I just said was 

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boasting to Eyes and Herzog 
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alumni being in prominent 
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So if you can claim that anti 
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of course you can clamp down on 
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And that's why it's so important
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the appeal and that anti Zionism
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precedent as a belief worthy of 
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Because there's no doubt 
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the breadth and depth and 
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showing solidarity for the 
slaughtered and mutilated and 

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starved of Gaza. 
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They are absolutely relentless. 
They will keep up their attempts

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to, you know, intimidate, 
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wherever possible using front 
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the Union of Jewish Students. 
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story, I think it was in today's
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Maybe you could tell us a bit 
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The headline is Jewish students 
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Palestinian protests. 
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Well, the headline says it all 
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The the headline by the Times 
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conflates pro Palestinian 
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Jewish students. 
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in itself anti-Semitic because 
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of anti Zionist Jewish students,
which is a absolutely key point,

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particularly among young people.
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genocide is crumbling, it's 
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So they're trying to shore it up
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Melanie Phillips published an 
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or it might have been the Jewish
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saying any form of Palestinian 
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Now that's the sort of extremist
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from ultra Zionists like her. 
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in that headline is that, you 
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So there was an article in on 
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said, oh, at these protests, 
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free Palestine as if that was, 
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anti-Semitic chant. 
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got an important watershed when 
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appeal against the decision by 
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judicial review into the 
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will be heard. 
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the judicial review will indeed 
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Because one of the things that 
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that is that they may withhold 
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and generally sanction 
universities if there appears to

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So that's an absolutely crucial 
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And should the High Court allow 
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then the scholars are saying 
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Palestine action will be 
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That will obviously represent a 
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lobby and cause endless wailing 
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Yeah, and clearly that's his 
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order to quell free speech of 
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But we'll bring that headline 
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even Basil, is if it's not bad 
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subtext here, university chiefs 
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students after these societies 
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Hamas fighters during October 
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So expelling students for social
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are happening in the news. 
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slippery slope. 
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Well, you know, absolutely. 
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from the Israel lobby. 
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inch to, you know, they're 
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people to the maximum extent. 
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haven't had time to research it,
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are being targeted to have their
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we shouldn't be surprised by 
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You know, one would hope that it
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student be expelled for sharing 
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picture or whoever they may be, 
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morality where you can cheer on 
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I mean, Mike, the issue of 
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and David Miller has brought 
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case. 
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the same issue is being applied 
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police what can be said, what 
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I don't think this this kind of 
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principles of, you know, the UK 
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always been a world leader. 
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We we look at what's happened in
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being targeted, being expelled 
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Again, we have the migrant issue
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And so if if the if one of the 
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to be is student protest, then 
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quite a bit. 
Are we going to see sort of ICE 

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style people being scooped up 
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I style it like like we're 
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And and my other question would 
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university is going to be? 
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already complaining bitterly 
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result of fewer foreign students
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on foreign students that are 
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So, so if, if this starts to 
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financial line, are the 
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run with this? 
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there's massive pressure on them
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very enthusiastic to do so in 
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happens then? 
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pressure for wanting to ban, you
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overseas students that have 
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But Basil, just we have one 

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What it's ironic that this is 

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happening and you're having 
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streets in London. 
The last Palestinian March this 

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past weekend, 600,000 people 
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the the British capital. 
The irony of that is incredible.

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They're going in two different 
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the, the authorities on this. 
Your final thoughts? 

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Well, that's been the case for a
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I mean, you know, if you hold 
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that it's increasingly anti 
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Of course it is because they've 
been perpetrating genocide. 

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But after the so-called 
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managing to regularly breach, of
course, so far a couple of dozen

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The narrative and the optics 
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change them basically say, look,
you know, Trump, Netanyahu, 

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Sharm El Sheikh, it's all 
wonderful. 

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So now there's no reason to 
protest against what's happening

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in Gaza. 
It's all over. 

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Well, it isn't all over. 
You know, innumerable war crimes

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and crimes against humanity have
been committed, and supporters 

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of those crimes are still 
populating government, House of 

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Commons and everything else. 
We've got a long, long way to go

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to see not just peace in the 
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well, and the perpetrators of 
genocide brought to justice. 

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So people, I have no doubt, will
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demonstrating until that is the 
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Ladies and gentlemen, Basil 
Valentine, thank you so much for

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joining us on the UK column News
this week. 

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Much appreciated. 
Thank you. 

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Absolutely. 
Thank you. 

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And and just a final, a final 
thought here, this incredible 

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piece by Jonathan Cooke, who is 
just an outstanding journalist 

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on this issue, will bring this 
up on screen and in the headline

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says it all, Mike, Israel is the
excuse to snatch away freedoms 

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we once took for granted. 
We're talking about freedom of 

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speech, freedom of assembly. 
This issue or this alliance with

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Israel's being used, it's being 
instrumentalized on both sides 

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of the Atlantic to reduce basic 
rights. 

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And Jonathan Cook is, it's just 
a beautifully written piece. 

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I encourage people, we'll 
include the link in the show 

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notes so people can read this, 
find this article, read it, and 

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share it with your friends. 
It's so concise, the way Cook 

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has laid out this really 
disturbing trend. 

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Thank you, Thank you, Patrick 
and thank you Basil. 

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Now let's move on then to online
safety related issues. 

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Now a lot of the floor in the EU
over the last period of time has

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been around chat control and 
well, what is that? 

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Well, it's the idea that the 
platforms will be required to to

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assess the types of content 
they're being uploaded to the 

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social media platforms and 
censor the content before it 

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ever reaches the social media 
platform. 

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So anyway, the the good news is 
though, that the E U.S. chat 

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control legislation seems to 
have, at least for the moment, 

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hit the buffers. 
As I say, for those that don't 

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know, this is the proposed 
legislation which is being sold 

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to the public as a mechanism for
controlling the uploading of 

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child sexual abuse material to 
Internet Internet platforms. 

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And as I say, it would require 
platforms to scan content as 

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it's being uploaded. 
It's a deeply unpopular idea 

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because no one actually is 
stupid enough to believe that 

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child sexual abuse material is 
where it would stop. 

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So it and and there is a certain
recognition that C Sam is now 

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being used as the sort of poster
child for, you know, general 

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censorship. 
So the EU Justice and Home 

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Affairs Council was supposed to 
vote on Tuesday this week. 

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And to quote them, they said the
C Sam proposal is no longer on 

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the agenda of the meeting for 
the ministers of Justice and 

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Home Affairs which took place, 
which will take place on Monday 

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and Tuesday. 
This is a retrospective 

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statement and the Council's 
cancellation was probably 

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because of opposition, mainly 
coming from Germany. 

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Now, if Germany had supported 
the proposal, the regulation 

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would advance to the final, what
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between the European Council, 
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European Commission. 
The Netherlands and Poland were 

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among the states that opposed 
chat control, France and Ireland

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amongst the countries that back 
it. 

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And the EU Home Affairs 
spokesperson said that the 

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Danish presidency is likely to 
reintroduce the proposal towards

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the end of the year. 
So as I say, it's hit the 

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buffers for now, but not 
forever. 

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And on Friday, then that's 
Friday. 

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Last week, ministers from 27 
European countries, led by the 

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Danish presidency, signed a 
declaration here it is the 

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Jetlin Declaration, shaping a 
safe online world for minors. 

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And it said that legislation 
must be effectively implemented 

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to ensure ensure child online 
safety. 

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We need digital bouncers, said 
Caroline Stage, who's the Danish

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digital affairs minister. 
Digital bouncers to ensure that 

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the Internet is safe place to be
and the children are not granted

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access when they're not old 
enough. 

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It's crucial that we stand 
strong together in Europe if we 

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want to make a real difference. 
Now I've made the word we bold 

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on that graphic. 
Because the question is, who is 

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the way that she's talking 
about? 

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Because she's not talking about 
we the people. 

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She's talking about we the, the,
the Eurocrats and we need to 

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stand together. 
And she's talking about the 

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other member States and the 
other leaders and member states 

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maybe aren't quite so on the 
same page with this. 

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So then in the meantime, here in
the UK, Ofcom has announced the 

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roll out of what they're 
describing as perpetual hash 

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matching technology. 
This is a what they describe as 

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a powerful automated tool that 
can detect and swiftly move CSAM

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material before it spreads 
further. 

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And of course, this is 
effectively our equivalent of 

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the chat control legislation in 
in the EU. 

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And they were particularly 
talking about file sharing 

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services. 
This is, they say, continuing 

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the roll out of technology which
scans content is being uploaded 

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to platforms. 
So exactly the same as the EU. 

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And the two services that they 
were speaking about in their 

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press release have agreed to 
roll this out. 

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They because they were deemed to
have serious compliance issues 

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and they were being threatened 
by Ofcom, but because they did 

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what they were told like good 
little little children 

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themselves. 
No further actions being taken 

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at this time. 
But the threat hangs over their 

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heads. 
Of course, many more of these 

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types of organisations have 
chosen to withdraw from the UK 

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instead of complying with Ofcom.
Here's an example of a file 

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sharing application which is no 
longer available in the UK. 

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But the issue here is that some 
services that had taken this 

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action were including on, 
although that particular page 

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that you saw on screen there 
didn't have any information 

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about VPNs, others did. 
And Ofcom said that it's clear 

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that services who choose to 
block access by people in the UK

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must not encourage or promote 
ways to avoid these 

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restrictions. 
So they're, if they attempt to 

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tell people, you know, just just
install AVPN, that that would be

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considered a circum, A 
contravention, and then they 

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would, Ofcom would be attempting
to, to find them or something 

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like that. 
And I mean, what could they 

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possibly be doing here? 
Well, here's an example. 4 Chan 

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has not responded to Ofcom's 
request for a copy of its 

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illegal harms risk assessment. 
That's 4 Chan's illegal harms 

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risk assessment, nor a second 
request from Ofcom relating to 

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its qualifying worldwide 
revenue. 

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So Ofcom has fined 4 Chan 20,000
lbs + a daily, daily penalty of 

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£100 per day. 
And that began on Wednesday of 

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this week. 
And that'll run for either 60 

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days or until 4 Chan provides 
them with the information, 

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whichever is sooner. 
I'm sure 4 Chan is really 

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panicking Patrick. 
Well, besides, beside the point 

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here, but the Mike, the whole 
point of this is it's criminal 

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activity. 
You know this material, there's,

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there's laws on the books, 
right? 

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Right. 
Precisely yes. 

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And so, so that means you have 
to take away all of the rights 

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of the entire population. 
Of course you do because of a 

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few criminals who are already 
subject to criminal laws and and

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prosecution anyway. 
Yes. 

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So that the, so that would mean 
if kids, if a few kids got a 

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hold of alcohol, somehow we have
to ban alcohol throughout 

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society, Yes. 
Or if kids got a hold of 

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cigarettes, we we must ban 
cigarettes across the whole of 

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society. 
It's the same. 

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It's the same mentality. 
It is absolutely. 

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Then if you remember back to the
beginning of this year, the UK 

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regime imposed an order on Apple
to cause Apple to provide a 

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backdoor to the strong 
encryption of iCloud services in

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the UK. 
And that would have meant in 

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practice that Apple would have 
to remove these protections 

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globally. 
Apple fought the issue at the 

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time and won. 
Now the UK regime is trying 

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again. 
So if we just put that back on 

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screen, this is the latest from 
Apple because they've had to 

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bring back this page which is 
telling us that they can no 

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longer offer advanced data 
protection in the United Kingdom

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to new users. 
It is only for new users. 

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So anybody that has been 
operating this already and 

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continue to operate it in the 
meantime, but Apple has not said

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that that is guaranteed forever 
because this is an ongoing legal

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process. 
And Apple's basically saying, 

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you know, that they're 
attempting to provide what they 

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describe as the highest level of
security for personal data and 

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so on, and they're hopeful that 
they're going to be able to do 

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that again in the future. 
So I just wanted to very briefly

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remind everybody where this is 
coming from. 

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This is the Investigatory Paris 
Amendment Act 2024. 

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And so this is an act of 
parliament. 

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It's been going for, as you can 
see, for about a year or so. 

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And let's just remind ourselves 
what this means. 

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So the government decided to 
reduce already weak protections 

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against security services using 
our data illegally. 

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It has removed a reasonable 
expectation of privacy. 

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It has not explained why 
reduction of privacy is 

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necessary rather than 
convenient. 

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It potentially permits bulk data
collection of facial images and 

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social media data. 
And of course this feeds into 

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the whole digital ID thing. 
It absolutely permits bulk 

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collection of Internet 
connection data. 

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It's been doing that for a long 
time, and expands the range of 

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politicians who can authorise 
surveillance of other 

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politicians. 
But here's where it gets 

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interesting. 
It requires tech companies to 

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inform government of any plans 
to strengthen security or 

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privacy features in their 
software. 

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And it permits government 
vetoing any such security or 

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privacy features. 
And it enables the Secretary of 

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State to require tech companies 
to provide services or 

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facilities for the purposes of 
facilitating or assisting an 

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intelligence service to carry 
out its functions. 

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In other words, back doors to 
any form of encryption. 

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Finally, it prevents tech 
companies for disclosing such 

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services or facilities to anyone
without permission of the 

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Secretary of State. 
So, you know, this is the 

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situation that we are in as a 
result of the latest 

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investigatory parse legislation.
Fascism. 

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Absolute fascism. 100% So there 
it is. 

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There it is. 
OK, let's move on the I want to 

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PM. 

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00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,640
Charles is back, uh, but Jeremy 
is back. 

461
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,000
So, uh, the weekly banter is 
back. 

462
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,880
Uh, and uh, we'll be on at 7:00 
PM with Germ, uh, and 

463
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,760
yesterday's discussion with, uh,
professor in Bright Hope, uh, 

464
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,920
right is the best medicine is on
the UK column website now. 

465
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,120
And also Charles discussion with
Morgan Laurette. 

466
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,920
This is second conversation that
Charles has had with Morgan 

467
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,400
Laurette on a world full of 
mercenaries. 

468
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,400
That is, this is looking at 
private military contractors 

469
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,120
around the world. 
This is also on the UK column 

470
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,880
website now. 
So please do have a look at that

471
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,840
if you haven't seen it yet. 
And then Patrick, we've just got

472
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,880
to mention that although the 
digital ID March is taking place

473
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,160
tomorrow, the the the Trafalgar 
Square event isn't is. 

474
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,360
That what's going on there will 
be there will be a small 

475
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,360
speaking groups and stages and 
there will be people speaking in

476
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,920
different places. 
But meeting at Marble Arch at 

477
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,920
one PMI think so that's that, 
that's where it starts. 

478
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,200
Marble Arch at 1:00 PM and then 
go with the crowd and probably 

479
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,840
is going to end up in Trafalgar 
Square and there'll be things 

480
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,400
happening there, but it'll be 
slightly different format than 

481
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,320
what maybe people were expecting
previously. 

482
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,760
But yeah, do attend. 
There's going to be a lot of 

483
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,920
people going. 
OK, let's welcome Mark to the 

484
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,760
program. 
Mark from Studio 2, welcome to 

485
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,440
the program. 
And what's been going on with 

486
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,440
mRNA technology? 
Well, first I'll say the wind 

487
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,600
stole my hat. 
So if you don't recognize me, 

488
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,560
yes, it's still me. 
Anyway, now getting this first 

489
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,440
slide up there. 
It it is a report in the 

490
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,320
immediate aftermath, something I
covered virtually of 

491
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,800
international press conference. 
It was actually recorded October

492
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,080
9, but broadcast throughout 
social media and video platforms

493
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,560
as of October 12. 
And it's it was called the World

494
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,120
Journey of Truth. 
And they're calling for a total 

495
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,720
mRNA vaccine moratorium. 
There were 30 plus speakers from

496
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,600
20 countries there. 
They each had two or three 

497
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,200
minutes where they spoke their 
truth, spoke their piece about 

498
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,520
why they think an mRNA 
moratorium is necessary. 

499
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880
This next slide gives some 
summation of this. 

500
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,640
These 30 plus experts in 
medicine, life sciences, law, 

501
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,560
psychology, economics, there 
were philosophy people there 

502
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,840
too. 
They spoke on behalf of over 

503
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,840
2000 scientists and doctors and 
nearly 10,000 signatories who 

504
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,040
are jointly warning of the risks
of mRNA technology and calling 

505
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,400
for this immediate moratorium. 
And I'll make a quick footnote. 

506
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,360
The moratorium is on the 
production and the use of the 

507
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,360
mRNA jabs, not just the usage. 
A very important point. 

508
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,040
And it real quickly I'll do a 
call out to Graham, a guy I met 

509
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040
on the way here. 
He's from Reading and there's 

510
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,000
this exercise, Pegasus, a dress 
rehearsal for another pandemic 

511
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,560
going on in the UK right now as 
we speak. 

512
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,920
But I'm seeing no outward signs 
of it. 

513
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,080
And when I talked to Graham, he 
wasn't aware of any outward 

514
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,560
signs of it either. 
But a shout out to Graham and a 

515
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,680
guy named Bruce and his wife 
from Somerset. 

516
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,120
I met them on the way. 
I told them about UK column. 

517
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Anyway, this next slide, just 
give some of the speakers who 

518
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,080
were at this presentation, this 
press conference, a Professor 

519
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,560
Paul Cullen, a lab physician 
from Ireland. 

520
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,600
We have Professor Robin Cosford 
Colford, the nutritional 

521
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,480
environmental medicine person 
from Australia, the well known 

522
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,480
Texas cardiologist from the 
United States, Doctor Peter 

523
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,440
McCullough, and professors and 
technicians and doctors from 

524
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,320
Japan, Thailand, Estonia, 
Austria and many other places. 

525
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,200
A very diverse group in terms of
what they talked about, their 

526
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,440
backgrounds and where they're 
from and we'll move on from 

527
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,400
there. 
Some very other some other very 

528
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,880
important matters to share. 
There's a website that was 

529
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,400
associated with this conference 
and this next slide talks about 

530
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,640
one of many cases where the 
Mnmrna jabs have been associated

531
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,160
with clear evidence that they 
were the cause of illness and 

532
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,760
death. 
This is a case report. 

533
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,040
It dates back to the 1st of 
October of 2022. 

534
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,880
And it it comes from the 
National Library of Medicine, 

535
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,720
which is an adjunct of the 
National Institutes of Health in

536
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,880
the United States. 
And the report is about a 76 

537
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,360
year old man and he had 
Parkinson's disease. 

538
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,520
He's over 76, he passed away and
yet they were able to determine,

539
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640
according to this government 
related report, they were able 

540
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,360
to determine that the mRNA jab 
was in fact, by all indications,

541
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,080
the cause of his death, even 
though he had Parkinson's, his 

542
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,760
age, comorbidities, things like 
that. 

543
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,960
But anyway, there, there's 
another slide there that we seem

544
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,600
to have skipped over. 
I had a a part I wanted to 

545
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,760
emphasize on that last slide, 
slide with the white background.

546
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,920
The bottom part of this where 
the where I put in the red 

547
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,480
emphasis. 
It talks about how the presence 

548
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,160
of spike proteins must be 
ascribed to vaccination rather 

549
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,600
than to viral infection. 
The findings corroborate 

550
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,720
previous reports of encephalitis
and myocarditis caused by gene 

551
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,480
based COVID-19 vaccines. 
This is the basic finding where 

552
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,680
they determined that the 
gentleman 76 year old with 

553
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Parkinson's disease again, by 
all indications, passed away 

554
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,720
precisely due to the mRNA jab. 
Now the media propaganda, of 

555
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:57,120
course, amid the WH OS work on 
the pandemic treaty, which is 

556
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,360
chugging along. 
I'll talk about the schedule to 

557
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,960
that. 
We'll revisit the schedule to 

558
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,880
that in a moment. 
But as we as we think about 

559
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,320
exercise Pegasus going on the 
the pandemic dress rehearsal 

560
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,560
right here in the UK, although 
it's not visible, it's not 

561
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,680
outwardly visible, it's going on
right now. 

562
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,000
You think about The Who trying 
to actually ratify this treaty, 

563
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,400
the pandemic treaty. 
Meanwhile, the media is putting 

564
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,760
out this unequivocal absolutist 
kind of message guys, where 

565
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,480
there can be no dissent. 
They they relabel dissent as 

566
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,120
mixed messaging. 
And then they they basically 

567
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,840
talk as if in this case, 
pregnant women and their fetus 

568
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,560
are absolutely safe, no 
qualification, no equivocation. 

569
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,400
They can all get the MRMRNA jab 
a pregnant woman who's carrying 

570
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,440
a baby without any harm to the 
baby or the, or the mother. 

571
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,560
And this New York Times video 
that we're about to show is 

572
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,920
emblematic of this absolutism 
that the media is putting out 

573
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,120
there, as if there can be no 
room for doubt, as if, as if 

574
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,640
there can be no possibility of 
danger. 

575
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Let's go ahead and and watch 
this video. 

576
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,199
The science is clear. 
The COVID vaccines are safe for 

577
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,280
pregnant women. 
But public health messaging 

578
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,880
around the vaccines has been 
muddled since Health Secretary 

579
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,719
Robert F Kennedy Junior 
announced that the CDC would no 

580
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,520
longer recommend them during 
pregnancy. 

581
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,040
My colleague and I. 
Spoke to both patients and 

582
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,880
doctors and they told us the 
same thing. 

583
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,360
The change in federal guidance 
has created a great deal of 

584
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,280
confusion, both for pregnant 
women and for the pharmacist who

585
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,239
administer the majority of COVID
vaccines. 

586
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,400
In fact, a survey released this 
week found that only 42% of 

587
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,159
respondents. 
Believed it was safe to. 

588
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,360
Get an mRNA vaccine during 
pregnancy So here's what you 

589
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,639
need to know about why the COVID
vaccine is safe and effective 

590
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,320
during pregnancy. 
If you're pregnant, COVID is 

591
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,159
dangerous for both you and your 
fetus, Even if you were 

592
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,120
perfectly healthy before, COVID 
is more dangerous during 

593
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,159
pregnancy for a number of 
reasons. 

594
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,320
First, pregnancy suppresses the 
immune system, so your body 

595
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,920
doesn't treat the fetus as a 
threat. 

596
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,160
That means you're more 
vulnerable to infections in 

597
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,400
general. 
The respiratory infections in 

598
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,400
particular, are more dangerous 
because as the uterus swells, it

599
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,480
compresses the diaphragm, making
it harder to take deep breaths. 

600
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,600
The effects of a COVID infection
can linger for the entire 

601
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,600
pregnancy. 
They can even affect the 

602
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,080
development of the placenta, 
hurting the fetus. 

603
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,960
Vaccines reduce these risks. 
Getting vaccinated also helps 

604
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,800
protect your baby. 
Newborns can't be vaccinated 

605
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,800
against COVID themselves until 
they're at least six months old,

606
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,720
so maternal antibodies are the 
only way to protect them. 

607
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,680
That's important because the 
virus is especially dangerous 

608
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,240
for infants. 
In fact, the youngest children 

609
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,000
have a higher risk of 
hospitalization from COVID than 

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00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,320
any other group aside from 
adults over 70. 

611
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Five, at this point, we have 
years of data showing that the 

612
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,360
COVID vaccines are safe, 
including for pregnant women, 

613
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,280
and that the risks of COVID far 
outweigh any risk. 

614
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040
Risks of the shots? 
So we know that vaccination is 

615
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,240
both effective and safe for 
pregnant women. 

616
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,160
That doesn't mean actually 
getting the vaccine is easy. 

617
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,000
Gynecologists often don't offer 
COVID vaccines in their offices.

618
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,800
So. 
So there we have it. 

619
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,880
There's that video where the 
unequivocal message is that 

620
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,200
women and their and their 
fetuses are absolutely free of 

621
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,560
any possible harm from the COVID
jabs. 

622
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,440
And there was a lot of talk at 
that conference about the risk 

623
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,320
benefit ratio and that there's 
been no reliable independent 

624
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,520
research to prove that risk 
benefit ratio is in a favorable 

625
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,040
way. 
Therefore, that's one of many 

626
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,640
reasons that the presenters at 
that press conference were are 

627
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,880
calling very loudly for the mRNA
moratorium. 

628
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,240
This is a quick item that I did 
report last time, but I have 

629
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,960
some technical problems and this
was just give an honorable 

630
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,520
mention on the extra last week. 
This is exclusive breaking news.

631
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,200
Let's show this an Alliance of 
Indigenous Nations International

632
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,840
Tribunal, amid the other calls 
for an mRNA moratorium. 

633
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,320
They're calling mRNA 
nanoparticle injections 

634
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,080
biological and technological 
weapons of mass destruction in 

635
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,040
their view, and they base that 
on U.S. law, as this slide 

636
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,280
indicates, but also on Canadian 
and international law, saying 

637
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,000
that the mRNA nanoparticle 
injections, quote, meet the 

638
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,960
criteria of biological weapons 
and weapons of mass destruction.

639
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,600
I've got just a couple more 
things to share here. 

640
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:31,360
And this is James Roguski, the 
noted watchdog of the pandemic 

641
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,760
treaty and all things related to
mRNA. 

642
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,800
He's calling for revoking the 
biologics licenses for the mRNA 

643
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,040
injections from Pfizer and 
Moderna. 

644
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,560
And also he's calling for the 
mRNA moratorium. 

645
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,440
There's his contact. 
You can go to 

646
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,600
jamesroguski.substack.com. 
And he encourages people to text

647
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,840
him in the US in Los Angeles at 
3:10. 

648
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,880
I didn't get that number there, 
but the number is posted for 

649
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,600
those that want to review the 
slides. 

650
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:03,280
You can text or call Mr. 
Raguski. 

651
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,840
Anyway, this last slide is the 
Intergovernmental Working Group 

652
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,240
agenda. 
This group took over for the 

653
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,320
intergovernmental negotiating 
body to finish the treaty. 

654
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,280
And this shows their schedule 
all the way through next May, 

655
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,960
when the 79th World Health 
Assembly will happen in 

656
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,000
Switzerland. 
And they have not actually 

657
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,120
approved that the pandemic 
treaty, they'll call it adopted,

658
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,880
but they have not certified it 
or actually brought it into 

659
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,640
force. 
So a lot of times they're trying

660
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,640
to misrepresent the status of 
that treaty. 

661
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,720
Very important to keep in mind. 
But back over to you guys. 

662
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:42,520
They'll be, of course, much more
as this heats up late this year,

663
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,800
early next year. 
Heating up isn't. 

664
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,880
It yes, it certainly is. 
Yes, yeah, thanks Mark. 

665
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,480
Okay, Patrick, let's let's move 
back to international affairs 

666
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,400
and and Israel. 
Sure. 

667
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,280
Well, briefly the big question 
is, is the is the ceasefire 

668
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
holding? 
Is the ceasefire holding? 

669
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,040
So we're asking ceasefire, 
what's ceasefire? 

670
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,600
And as it turns out, this the 
victory lapse during the victory

671
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,760
lapse by Trump, Netanyahu, all 
of the sort of posturing and 

672
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,920
back slapping in the Knesset and
Tel Aviv and what do we find? 

673
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,880
The ceasefire has been broken as
we said, as we predicted here, 

674
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,480
Israel warns it will resume 
military operations of Gaza, in 

675
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,960
Gaza of Hamas violates truce. 
Well, that was the threat by the

676
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,560
Israelis. 
But what's actually happened? 

677
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,760
Well, that's happened. 
Israel kills 9 Palestinians in 

678
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,200
Gaza despite ceasefire that just
happened. 

679
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,400
This is just reported off the 
wires a few days ago. 

680
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,680
So they've, and this isn't the 
only story we we're showing 

681
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,160
here. 
So Israel has clearly violated 

682
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,520
the ceasefire. 
So is this mostly a ceasefire? 

683
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,040
Is this like mostly peaceful 
protests is now mostly a 

684
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,720
ceasefire by Israel? 
They can kill and do whatever 

685
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:58,120
they want and nobody is going to
restrain them. 

686
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,880
And that's the number one 
problem. 

687
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,640
This is why we said we didn't 
think that this was going to 

688
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,600
last because Israel's record on 
ceasefires is appalling. 

689
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,520
It's 0% success rate. 
They've broken every single 

690
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,720
agreement that's been documented
by academics like Zachary 

691
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Doctor, Zachary Foster, who I 
encourage people to follow on X.

692
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,480
We'll try to put Zach's X. 
Account in the show notes, but 

693
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,520
it is very well documented. 
Mike, 0% success rate. 

694
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,000
They violated everything and 
they're doing it again. 

695
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,960
And of course, they're getting 
the support from Trump to do 

696
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960
this because as we were talking 
about on Wednesday's program, 

697
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,080
the suggestion was unless they 
provide all the bodies of the 

698
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,520
dead hostages that which they 
can't possibly do because the 

699
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,040
place has been turned to rubble.
The ones that Israel killed 

700
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,760
themselves, they bombed their 
own hostages, yeah. 

701
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,200
And of course they've got to 
disarm or else and and so on. 

702
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,960
So, so they've put a bit of load
of criteria on the ceasefire 

703
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,400
continuing which which are in 
some cases impossible. 

704
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,640
Well, Trump's already basically 
foreshadows he's already pre 

705
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,400
blaming Hamas if the ceasefire 
breaks, so no matter what 

706
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,800
happens they're going to then 
blame Hamas. 

707
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,040
This is the Israeli negotiation 
tactic going back for the last 

708
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,480
40 years. 
So nothing new, unfortunately, 

709
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,920
yeah. 
Yeah. 

710
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,840
OK, let's move on to the NATO 
defence ministers meeting now. 

711
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,040
This was taking place yesterday,
the day before, sorry, on 

712
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,600
Wednesday, Thursday, sorry. 
And recent series of mysterious 

713
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,000
drone incursions and airspace 
violations by Russian warplanes.

714
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,360
Well, that was the key narrative
of the of the NATO summit that 

715
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,080
that the NATO defence minister 
conference. 

716
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,880
It's important, as we'll come on
to later, this whole issue of of

717
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,240
drone and airspace incursions. 
Everything was heavily 

718
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,320
choreographed as you can see on 
screen at the moment. 

719
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,400
The arrivals, there was a family
photo opportunity, of course, 

720
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,640
all the handshakes, the warm 
words, there's Hegseth on screen

721
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,280
at the moment and so on. 
And the key thing is what 

722
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,240
they're saying basically is that
now that Trump has won the Gaza 

723
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,920
war, it seems to be more or less
how they're putting it. 

724
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,760
The focus is back on Ukraine, or
in fact, rather, the focus is 

725
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,280
back on Putin. 
But you know, don't worry 

726
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:21,640
because. 
NATO is a Sorry, NATO is a 

727
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,760
defensive alliance. 
We will remain A defensive 

728
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,160
alliance. 
But make no mistake, this 

729
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,240
defensive alliance is ready and 
willing to do what it takes to 

730
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:35,520
keep our 1 billion people safe 
and our territory secure. 

731
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,880
Their security is. 
Linked with ours. 

732
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,720
This is not just words, but it's
reflected in the support we give

733
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:47,880
to Ukraine. 
That's really key what he said 

734
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,280
Mike Mark and sorry for the 
technical glitch there is Mark 

735
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,560
Ruta has an effect on our. 
Yeah, on everybody. 

736
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,800
Video capturing 'cause 
everything to go haywire. 

737
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,640
Yeah. 
He's saying our security is 

738
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,440
linked to Ukraine's security, 
but the other side of that 

739
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,440
equation is as valid is Russia's
security is linked to Ukraine 

740
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,040
and what happens in Ukraine. 
And that's the part of the 

741
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,800
equation that doesn't get spoken
about on this side of the Iron 

742
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,680
Curtain or on the iron side of 
the Iron Curtain. 

743
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,720
But go ahead. 
Yes, indeed, no. 

744
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,800
Later on there were defence 
conferences and well John Haley 

745
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,520
had this to say. 
When I argue that a secure 

746
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,360
Europe requires a strong 
sovereign Ukraine, what Ukraine 

747
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:39,360
is teaching us in the way that 
we can see the rapid evolution 

748
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,200
of the nature of warfare, the 
leading edge innovation that 

749
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,880
Ukraine and battlefield 
techniques. 

750
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,480
For some time we have been able 
to learn from Ukraine and 

751
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,000
Ukraine is increasingly 
recognised and understood to 

752
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:01,720
play a part in the training of 
other NATO nations forces and in

753
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:09,920
recent moves to respond to 
incursions into NATO airspace. 

754
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,120
Ukraine has stepped up, 
responded in practice and I 

755
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,840
think is helping to demonstrate 
more clearly to more people how 

756
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,200
the Ukraine is fighting for its 
future. 

757
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:30,480
But the unique leading the 
combat experience that it now 

758
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,120
has means that it it can already
and will in the future make a 

759
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,000
huge contribution to the 
security of Europe more 

760
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,160
generally. 
So a strong sovereign Ukraine 

761
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,600
controlled by Britain, the 
United States and the EU. 

762
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,320
Is that how that works? 
With the CIA running the SBU 

763
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,440
which the American government's 
paying Ukrainian pensions? 

764
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,640
And what about elections? 
Sovereignty. 

765
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,080
How about elections? 
Are they having elections in 

766
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,520
Ukraine? 
I guess not. 

767
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:04,320
Is a dictatorship run by foreign
powers subsidized by the US, 

768
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,880
Europe and the UK? 
And that's foreign powers, as 

769
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,320
he's just admitted, are using 
the scenario to develop 

770
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,120
strategies for fighting Russia 
in in the future future, because

771
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,080
they're they're watching 
everything that Russia does, 

772
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,720
obviously in the course of this 
conflict. 

773
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,920
And and you trying to use that 
to build up with some what some 

774
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,920
kind of battlefield database 
here? 

775
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,400
It's sovereignty is a big 
doughnut in Ukraine right now. 

776
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,600
100% unfortunately. 
More on John Healey. 

777
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,160
This is from another session 
from the the recent confab but 

778
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,000
but watch this and listen 
carefully. 

779
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,000
And Secretary Higgseth, I want 
to praise President Trump's 

780
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,640
essential leadership in securing
that ceasefire in Gaza. 

781
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,640
That was peace secured through 
strength. 

782
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:53,880
And today, as we shift our focus
back to the war in Ukraine, your

783
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,240
presence here reminds US of 
President Trump's commitment 

784
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:04,560
also to secure peace in Ukraine.
But until peace comes, 

785
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,840
Ukrainians, military and 
civilians alike, continue to 

786
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,920
fight with huge courage. 
Our determination must match 

787
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,400
their defiance, our support must
match Putin's escalation. 

788
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,840
And our role as members of this 
UDCG is to guarantee Ukraine's 

789
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,680
strength. 
Now, the first thing I picked up

790
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,200
there is the sycophanty of all 
of the European leaders and 

791
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,560
Healy now pandering to Trump, 
Donald Trump's peace to 

792
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,160
strength. 
Is Trump the president of 

793
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,640
Britain? 
It seems like it. 

794
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,240
There's no independent foreign 
policy or thought in the British

795
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,400
defense establishment there. 
So the sycophanty is something 

796
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,600
to know. 
The other thing is he's talking 

797
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,960
about defiance, Ukrainians 
defiance. 

798
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Our commitment must match 
Ukraine's defiance. 

799
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,760
Where's the defiance happening 
in Ukraine? 

800
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Like it seems to me if you have 
to hog tie young men off the the

801
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,360
streets and bundle them into the
back of the vans to conscript 

802
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,320
them and then throw them into 
the trenches on the front line 

803
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,440
with the average life expectancy
of somewhere between 24 and 48 

804
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,120
hours. 
The real defiance in Ukraine is 

805
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,360
coming from the Ukrainian people
against the Zelensky autocracy 

806
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,200
that is prosecuting A proxy war 
on behalf of NATO. 

807
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,440
That's the defiance in Ukraine. 
If you look at the polling, the 

808
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,920
majority of Ukrainians want this
over, but the political class 

809
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,040
and those getting funded by 
this, making money out of it, 

810
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,680
want to promulgate this 
conflict. 

811
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,360
So that's the Orwellian language
is unbelievable. 

812
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,880
And the last one until peace 
comes. 

813
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,920
Until peace comes, in other 
words, there's going to be war 

814
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:45,520
until peace comes. 
So they're going to make no 

815
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,160
effort to have any dialogue, no 
diplomacy, no negotiations, no 

816
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,680
political settlements, and we're
just going to have war until 

817
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,560
peace comes. 
This is so Orwellian. 

818
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,360
Yes. 
What's Trump been up to then? 

819
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,440
What's Trump been up to? 
So let's talk about escalation 

820
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,800
here. 
Is Donald Trump talking about 

821
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,600
sending Tomahawk missiles, 
potentially nuclear armed 

822
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Tomahawk missiles, to Ukraine? 
Listen to this. 

823
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,240
Do they want to have Tomahawks 
going in their direction? 

824
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,720
I don't think so. 
I think I might speak to Russia 

825
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,120
about that. 
No fairness. 

826
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,120
I told that to President 
Zelensky because Tomahawks are a

827
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:30,040
new step of aggression, right? 
You understand that very well. 

828
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,880
Are you saying that you will 
speak to Putin first? 

829
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,720
About time I talk to him. 
I might say, look, this war is 

830
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,440
not going to get settled. 
I'm going to send them 

831
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,880
Tomahawks. 
I may send that. 

832
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,680
The tomahawk is a an incredible 
weapon, very offensive weapon. 

833
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,960
And honestly, Russia does not 
need that. 

834
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,920
They don't need that. 
Yeah, I might tell them. 

835
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:55,200
That if the war is not settled, 
that we may very well do. 

836
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,520
We may not, but we may do it. 
I think it's appropriate to 

837
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,120
bring up my first question to 
you there is he's saying we 

838
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,360
might tell Russia this. 
Has he not just told Russia that

839
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,960
by by making a statement in 
front of for the TV cameras I 

840
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,520
mean. 
It's so vaudevillian at this 

841
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,520
point. 
So, so, but but what he's saying

842
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,080
is serious. 
He's saying that we're we're 

843
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,040
going to escalate and that's how
we're going to negotiate with 

844
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,920
the Russians is through threats 
and military escalations. 

845
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,040
But let me just ask you one more
question. 

846
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,160
Is the Tomahawk not just the 
latest equivalent, similar to 

847
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,160
the F16? 
It's a it's a weapon that the 

848
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,760
Ukrainians can't use. 
Yeah. 

849
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,600
So where does that leave us? 
Is it just? 

850
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,400
Is it just nonsense again? 
Spot on. 

851
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,160
It's it's exactly like the F16. 
You remember all the furor of 

852
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,280
oh, once Zelensky gets those F 
sixteens then everything is 

853
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,000
going to change. 
Then it was once he gets the 

854
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,240
attackers and is once he gets 
the storm shadows and it's so on

855
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,640
and so forth. 
So the only danger here is 

856
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,960
Russia's made some very strong 
statement about US involvement 

857
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,320
in deploying Tomahawks, 
especially on Ukrainian soil. 

858
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,280
And we'll get to that in a 
moment. 

859
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,320
But in the meantime, let's look 
at this story here. 

860
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,000
So escalation is definitely the 
policy. 

861
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,960
Now, Ukraine, Russia latest US 
tells NATO to boost firepower 

862
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,000
ahead of Trump Szalinski meeting
here. 

863
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,360
This is from the Independent. 
Now give a shout out to Sam 

864
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,360
Kiley here, this commentator for
The Independent. 

865
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,200
I was very impressed with the 
analysis, much more even handed 

866
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,200
than we've seen previously. 
So I'm I'm a credit where 

867
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,040
credit's due. 
I was very impressed with that. 

868
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,920
So so now Pete Hegseth is 
basically the alpha dog of the 

869
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,720
Trump administration. 
He changed it to the Department 

870
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,760
of War. 
Now no longer the Department of 

871
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,400
Defense, now to the Department 
of War. 

872
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,720
And here's Hegseth. 
Listen to this. 

873
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,200
The language is just shocked. 
All countries need to translate 

874
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:50,240
goals into guns, commitments 
into capabilities and pledges. 

875
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,840
Into power, That's all that 
matters. 

876
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,440
Hard power. 
It's the only thing belligerents

877
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,200
actually respect. 
Your continued investment and 

878
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,480
leadership are vital to helping 
Ukraine defend itself and to 

879
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,000
bring an end to. 
This conflict peace through 

880
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,200
strength now if this war does 
not end, if there is no path to 

881
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,760
peace in the short term, then 
the United States, along with 

882
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,960
our allies, will take the steps 
necessary to impose costs on 

883
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,360
Russia for its continued. 
Aggression. 

884
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,200
If we must take this step, the 
US War Department stands ready 

885
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,680
to do our part in ways that only
the United States can do. 

886
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,360
This is not a war that started 
on President Trump's watch, but 

887
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,800
it will end on his watch. 
It may end on his watch in a, in

888
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,600
a nuclear war, we'll all end on 
Trump's watch with that type of 

889
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,360
rhetoric. 
So he's saying that peace 

890
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,200
through strength. 
What a ridiculous trope. 

891
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,480
This is straight out of 1 of 
Mussolini's Mussolini's speeches

892
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,760
or a Hitler's speech. 
Peace through strength. 

893
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,520
And we'll end this in only the 
way that the US can. 

894
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,960
What exactly does he mean there,
Mike? 

895
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,000
What? 
How? 

896
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,600
How does the US plan to end the 
conflict if it's not 

897
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,560
diplomatically, militarily, How 
are they meant to do that 

898
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,520
against a nuclear superpower in 
the Russian Federation? 

899
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,320
I'm confused. 
Nukes. 

900
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,880
Well, yeah, basically. 
So by saying what he said, the 

901
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,080
only hard power can solve this 
and deal with belligerents, Pete

902
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,920
Hegseth in the United States are
then basically showing that they

903
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,280
are the belligerents because 
only belligerents speak like 

904
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,920
this in in the international 
system and throughout history. 

905
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:38,040
So they can't erase millennia of
military and political history 

906
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,920
and all of the lessons we've 
learned. 

907
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,920
Clearly, not everybody's learned
them. 

908
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,440
But this wall can't be erased 
just because Donald Trump 

909
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,080
appeared on the scene 9 or 10 
months ago. 

910
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,440
So absolutely unbelievable. 
And then now this clip. 

911
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,360
Here's Mark Rutte, the empty 
suit from Brussels, and Pete 

912
00:52:54,360 --> 00:53:01,160
Hagseth, the greased grease, the
greasy haired DoD head, former 

913
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,520
Fox News weekend host. 
Listen to this. 

914
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,720
Firepower, that's what is 
coming. 

915
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,040
We expect it is coming from 
NATO. 

916
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,840
And it was a historic summit 
just a couple of months ago 

917
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:17,200
brought about by leadership of 
President Trump to say we need 

918
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,200
our allies to step up and and 
they did and they have in those 

919
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,360
commitments now. 
Those commitments will soon 

920
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,600
translate into capabilities, 
which is the most important 

921
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,920
aspect of it. 
And one part of that, of course,

922
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,000
is Pearl, is the initiative 
where European countries buy US 

923
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,000
weapons, transfer to NATO for 
the fight in Ukraine to bring 

924
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,600
peace to that conflict. 
And if there's anything we've 

925
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:46,480
learned under President Trump is
the active application of peace.

926
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,560
Through. 
Strength. 

927
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,360
You get peace. 
When you are strong, not when 

928
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,720
you use strong words. 
Or. 

929
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,840
Wag your finger. 
You get it when you have strong 

930
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,680
and real capabilities that 
adversaries respect. 

931
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,440
So the guy talking there is a 
Army reservist or reservist who 

932
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,440
attained the highest rank of 
major and he was a guard at 

933
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,920
Gitmo and he's running the 
trillion dollar a year Pentagon.

934
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,400
I mean, how did that happen? 
I'll tell you how that happened.

935
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,920
Mary Madelson and Benjamin 
Netanyahu, that's how that 

936
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,240
happened. 
So let's just move on very 

937
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:24,640
quickly here. 
This is the Ukrainian 

938
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,120
leadership. 
We'll go back here. 

939
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,680
Ukraine delegations invited 
Raytheon and Lockheed, the 

940
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,520
manufacturers of the Tomahawk 
missile. 

941
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,880
And we'll go to this is Andre 
Yermak, Zelensky's brain, and 

942
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,960
he's tweeted out all the details
of this. 

943
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,480
And of course, they put this 
snazzy social media video here. 

944
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,720
I'll, I'll spare the audience 
the, the audio, the dodgy Euro 

945
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:51,800
techno soundtrack, but it's 
pretty gaudy nonetheless. 

946
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,080
They're sort of really playing 
this one up that the US defense 

947
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,840
contractors over there pressing 
the palms with the Ukrainians on

948
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,360
this. 
So it's all about the Tomahawk 

949
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,800
hyping the next generation of 
wonder weapons that's going to 

950
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,920
supposedly turn the tide of the 
conflict here. 

951
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,840
But here's what broke today. 
This is important. 

952
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,920
Now this is the Financial Times.
And they they're saying, what 

953
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,080
are the US Tomahawk missiles 
Trump is considering for 

954
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,280
Ukraine. 
But there's some interesting 

955
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,360
details in this story. 
This could also change the 

956
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,440
discussion right here. 
Ukrainian troops will not be 

957
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,840
trained to operate these 
Tomahawk missiles, according to 

958
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,960
a source talking to the FT. 
And they go on, US contractors 

959
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,800
will operate Tomahawk missiles 
in Ukraine. 

960
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Now that violates the red line 
drawn by Putin just last week. 

961
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,440
So it's right there in the FT. 
So decent piece of journalism 

962
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,560
here citing a NATO military 
officials and they're saying the

963
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:54,280
missiles will complement what 
Ukraine has already achieved 

964
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,680
with drones. 
So, Mike, I, I think that the 

965
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:00,280
the whole Tomahawk thing, it 
looks more like a sort of public

966
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,800
relations campaign to keep 
people interested in supporting 

967
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,800
this disastrous failing proxy 
war project in Ukraine. 

968
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,640
That's what it looks like, but 
over to you. 

969
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,080
OK, thank you Patrick for that. 
Now let's come back to the UK 

970
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,800
then. 
And MI 5's National Protective 

971
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,080
Security Authority has issued 
new security guidance in order 

972
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,000
to protect democratic 
institutions from espionage and 

973
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,960
foreign interference. 
Those are the words. 

974
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,080
The guidance outlines how state 
backed actors and their proxies 

975
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,400
attempt to manipulate, discredit
or secretly gather information 

976
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,000
on political figures at all 
levels. 

977
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,680
This is done through subtle and 
deceptive means that blur the 

978
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,080
line between management, sorry 
engagement and malign activity. 

979
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,240
So that's that's what they say 
about it now. 

980
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,480
This is supposed to help MPs, 
House of Lords, Peers, 

981
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,360
councillors, parliamentary 
staff, candidates understand the

982
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,320
threats they face from foreign 
actors and take simple, 

983
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,440
effective steps to protect 
themselves, their teams and the 

984
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,080
integrity of the UK's democracy.
They. 

985
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,880
Didn't mention normal people 
though. 

986
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,160
Like what about the dust men? 
The milkmen? 

987
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,440
Cashier workers? 
How do they protect themselves 

988
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,880
from disinformation and 
interference? 

989
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,920
By watching the UK column. 
But that's another question. 

990
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,640
So sorry, that's what they say. 
So. 

991
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,160
So let's translate what that 
meant. 

992
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,560
It means that you, the people 
that are on the receiving end of

993
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,840
this as politicians, candidates 
and whatnot, can safely ignore 

994
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,640
the majority of opposition to 
your policies by writing it off 

995
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,960
as foreign interference. 
That's basically what that all 

996
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,440
means. 
Now, alongside this, of course, 

997
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,920
is the alleged Chinese spying 
scandal. 

998
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,360
As if China, Russia, Iran, 
Britain, United States and EU 

999
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,040
aren't spying on each other all 
the time. 

1000
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,560
I mean, it is ridiculous. 
But anyway, Deputy National 

1001
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Security Adviser Matthew Collins
said that China represents the 

1002
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,400
biggest state based threat to 
the country's economic security.

1003
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,360
Well, of course it does, because
China is producing stuff and 

1004
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,080
we're not. 
So of course, of course it is in

1005
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,680
that sense. 
But anyway, not quite in the 

1006
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,760
sense he meant. 
Starmer ordered the publication 

1007
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,880
of the the witness statements. 
This is after Wednesday's Prime 

1008
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,560
Minister questions when Kemi 
Bennock accused him of covering 

1009
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,040
up why the case against two 
alleged spies collapsed. 

1010
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,960
The Crime Prosecution Service is
supposed to. 

1011
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,280
It's claimed that they dropped 
the case after deciding the 

1012
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,720
evidence did not show that China
was a national security threat. 

1013
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,040
Well, maybe the CPS was dropping
the case in a similar way that 

1014
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:33,760
they dropped a case against 
Savile. 

1015
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,800
I I don't know, I mean that that
may be completely wrong. 

1016
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,600
But anyway, coming back to the. 
Sometimes these cases get lost. 

1017
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:45,000
Well, indeed, yes, coming back 
to the MI 5 advice, the question

1018
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,600
that it it covers things like 
what should you look out for? 

1019
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,400
And they talk about elicitation,
cultivation, blackmail, online 

1020
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,520
approaches, financial donations,
cyber compromises and so on. 

1021
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,760
But the best is disinformation, 
because the example they cite it

1022
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,960
is one that Patrick and I 
covered at the time in 2022. 

1023
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,400
Let's just remind ourselves. 
Who can forget this was just a 

1024
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,400
classic moment. 
Play it. 

1025
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,680
But that's his defense 
secretary's office. 

1026
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,120
Can I just check who you've got 
on the line please? 

1027
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,680
Yes, sure. 
We'll just we are on the line. 

1028
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,400
Do you hear me? 
Thank you. 

1029
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,360
Yeah, I can hear you loud and 
clear if you just bear with us 

1030
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,960
while the Defence secretary 
joins us. 

1031
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,040
Thank you. 
Yeah, we're, we will. 

1032
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,280
Be we will switch. 
On our camera, When we will be, 

1033
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,960
when we will see. 
Understood. 

1034
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:43,920
No problem. 
Thank you. 

1035
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,800
Hello. 
Hello. 

1036
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,840
How are you there? 
I'm fine, I'm in Poland. 

1037
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,040
OK, yes, I know. 
So, dear Secretary, it's. 

1038
00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,520
My pleasure, I I've visited you 
5 times over the last five 

1039
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:06,160
years, so I'm determined to keep
more and more supplies coming to

1040
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,480
you. 
I can't say where I've been, but

1041
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,640
I've just been. 
To look at. 

1042
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:15,800
More of our anti air capacity to
give you and making sure that we

1043
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,680
are getting it into the country 
as quickly as possible so you 

1044
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:31,720
know that Russia demands to. 
To leave ideas of NATO joining. 

1045
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,960
So what's what do you think? 
Because I don't think Russia 

1046
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,760
should be able to demand 
anything other than going home. 

1047
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,680
Yeah, of course I know that. 
I'm two things. 

1048
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,160
I've just been looking at our 
new anti air missile that we're 

1049
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,120
sending you, which is better 
than Stinger. 

1050
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,400
It'll work at night. 
It's a very, very fast missile. 

1051
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,240
And it will help close the skies
to Russian aircraft, I think. 

1052
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,200
Now, just in case you're not 
sure what that was, that was 

1053
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,840
Vova and Alexis, the the Russian
pranksters who absolutely got 

1054
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,800
the then Defence Secretary Ben 
Wallace. 

1055
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,120
And the thing was in the course 
of that, if you watch the whole 

1056
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,640
thing, in the course of that, he
hemorrhaged intelligence 

1057
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,280
information to effectively. 
And and The thing is that was 

1058
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,560
not disinformation. 
That was Ben Wallace telling it 

1059
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,320
as it was. 
So I understand why MI 5 might 

1060
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,720
be suggesting people you don't 
want to get caught out by Vovan 

1061
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,840
and Lexus, but it still happens.
And I think Samantha Parr was 

1062
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,280
just done a few weeks ago, so 
you know. 

1063
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,920
If ITV did it, it wouldn't be 
disinformation. 

1064
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,040
If Channel 4 did it, it wouldn't
be disinformation. 

1065
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,200
If it was Graham Norton doing it
for the BBC, it would be fine. 

1066
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,280
But because the Russians did it,
Mike, it's suddenly 

1067
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,280
disinformation. 
But they're very clear and 

1068
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,920
transparent about what their 
role is as pranksters. 

1069
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,320
I will argue lastly, Mike, that 
Vovin and Lexus is one of the 

1070
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,680
most lethal weapons in Russias. 
Quite possibly. 

1071
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,800
Well, well, look, we've got to 
leave it there for today. 

1072
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,800
I'm going to say thank you very 
much to Mark and to Basil 

1073
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,400
Valentine for joining us. 
And to you, of course, Patrick. 

1074
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,840
We've got a little bit to 
discuss in extra, including Ron 

1075
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,280
Paul and what he's been doing 
recently. 

1076
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,600
But let's leave it for a few 
minutes. 

1077
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,800
If you're AUK column member, 
join us for that. 

1078
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,520
Otherwise, we will see you again
on Monday. 

1079
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,560
Hope you have a great time if 
you come and join us in New York

1080
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:33,040
or on the live stream and you'll
be in in London at the digital 

1081
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,800
ID thing perhaps. 
Yeah, we'll see. 

1082
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,840
That should be a good event as. 
Well, and we'll see you Monday. 

1083
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:38,880
See you then. 
Bye bye.