1 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,600 None. Hello and welcome to the UK 2 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,680 column. Today I'm joined by Tom Nelson, 3 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:27,920 who is or has been the producer of Climate the Movie, and Tom, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,119 welcome to the programme. You're a podcaster and of course 5 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:35,760 normally doing the interviewing. So I'm just going to say excuse 6 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,240 me if if the questions aren't quite what you're used to, but 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,680 anyway, welcome to the program. Tell us a little bit about 8 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,680 yourself first of all. And if I was to say I've rebuild 9 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,760 woodpecker, maybe that might be a place to start. 10 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,120 Yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah, I was just kind of a 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,160 normal person, not involved in any scientific debates as of 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,280 2005. But then this I Rebuild 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,360 woodpecker thing happened where there was a peer reviewed paper 14 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,360 with 17 authors saying that Cornell had rediscovered this 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,560 extinct woodpecker. So I dug into it and right away 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,880 I found out that that was a total crock, that they didn't 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,840 actually rediscover it, but it got enormous amounts of 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,840 publicity. And on my blog I started tearing 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,520 apart the the data that supported it. 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,680 And a lot of other people had joined in too. 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,120 And we kind of ripped that one apart. 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,760 But within about a year after that, some guy wrote to me and 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,360 said, you know, this whole climate debate is very similar 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,120 to the Ivory Bill debate, that if you dig into it for yourself, 25 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:33,480 you'll find out that the evidence does not support what 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,280 they're saying. So that kind of kicked off my 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,840 whole interest in this. And since about 2006, I've been 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,760 reading up on the climate debates and participating in it 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,400 for hours most days I ever since then. 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,680 Yes. And so you've set up a, you've 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,000 got a sub stack and you've set up a YouTube channel and you've 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,840 been interviewing people for quite a long time on that. 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,000 I mean you've got lots of of interviews on there, including 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,760 of course the interview with David Siegel. 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,560 And we spoke to David Siegel a couple of weeks ago ourselves 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,080 and he's in fact running a climate science course for some 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,680 of our members at the moment. So, so that and you're still on 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,199 YouTube somehow? Yeah, I'm still on YouTube. 39 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,480 They've they haven't taken anything down. 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,640 They took one thing down because Steve Malloy said the wrong 41 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,560 thing about the 2020 election, but then they put it back up 42 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,760 because they changed their rules. 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,240 But I'm kind of impressed that I think the Google doesn't want 44 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,080 people to watch climate realist videos, but at least they're not 45 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:28,360 taking them down. So that's good. 46 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:31,000 Yes. So anyway, more recently then 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,560 you've got involved in the production of of this 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,960 documentary Climate the movie. And it is a fantastic piece of 49 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,640 work, I have to say, uh, so well done on that. 50 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:43,040 But how did that come about and how did you? 51 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,760 There were a couple of people on that I I was a little bit 52 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,280 surprised. We're we're prepared to engage 53 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,720 on this topic. Uh, well, maybe come on to why I 54 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,920 was surprised about that a little later, but but 55 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:55,680 nonetheless, how did that come about and how long did it take? 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,120 Yeah, I started doing the podcast in UH July of 22 and one 57 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,400 of my first guests was Martin Durkin. 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,040 I was a huge fan of him because I loved his great Global Warming 59 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,640 Swindle documentary he did back in 2007. 60 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:09,960 I think that held up really well. 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,440 So on my podcast in October of 22, Martin Durkin said, you 62 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,960 know, I'd really like to remake the great Global Warming Swindle 63 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,440 knowing what I know now. And that sort of kicked things 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,480 off. I started working with him and 65 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,120 in a few months we he actually started making the movie and it 66 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,400 took about one full year for the movie to come out. 67 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,560 But I give him all the credit in the world because he decided who 68 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,040 to interview and he did. He wrote the script, he did the 69 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,200 narration, and he's just the right person to make this movie 70 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,400 at the right time. I'm really happy with how it 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,160 turned out. And so that's available for 72 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,360 anybody to watch in various places including YouTube. 73 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,280 And so how did you fund that? We just had private funding and 74 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,400 it didn't really cost very much because there's a lot of 75 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,400 volunteers and working on it. We had to pay some cost to send 76 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,080 a team to Kenya to do some filming over there. 77 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,480 But overall it really didn't cost that much and Martin reused 78 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,680 a lot of old footage from like the Romans racing their Chariots 79 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,120 and all sorts of old dinosaur footage and stuff. 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,360 I think he did a really good job of keeping it interesting. 81 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,520 Yes, Now we're looking out the back window behind me here. 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,640 You can see how warm it is in Plymouth at the moment. 83 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,839 So clearly we're not experiencing much in the way of 84 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,480 global warming at this point in time. 85 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:25,680 But you know the, the, the film goes through many of the all of 86 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,480 the areas that are really of importance, CO2 and it's 87 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,120 influence on on temperature, the political aspects, the energy 88 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,040 aspects and so on. It's it's all packaged up in one 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,040 place and which I think is fantastic effort. 90 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,600 Now the question is what kind of response have you had then to 91 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,920 that so far, not just from people that are would be 92 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,640 normally expected to be supportive of the message? 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,880 Yeah, we're really happy, very happy with how the whole rollout 94 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,760 has gone. We're getting millions of views 95 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,040 and all sorts of people have downloaded full copies of the 96 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,840 movie and clips from the movie and then they've re uploaded 97 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:09,000 those to their YouTube channels and to rumble and to X and kind 98 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,120 of all over the place so that there are clips and full copies 99 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,920 of the movie everywhere already and more and more of that is 100 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,960 happening. One other thing on the side is 101 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,720 that they couldn't tell. People over in the Netherlands 102 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,040 have done a great job of doing translations or making subtitles 103 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,440 for the movie. They just hit the 20 language 104 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,840 mark already and now they've been putting up all these 105 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:31,200 different subtitles on their their YouTube channel and they 106 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,360 have 10 more languages in the in the hopper that they're working 107 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,400 on and Indonesian languages and Asian and it is really getting a 108 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,720 great worldwide roll out. So I I could not be more happy 109 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,600 with how it has gone. People like you say on our side 110 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,480 think it's a great reference as to what arguments you can use 111 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,240 against alarmists and then there have been a few small attempts 112 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,480 to debunk it but not very many from the other side. 113 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:58,560 And if you go to my sub stack you can see that there's been 114 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,640 attempted debunking and then people on our side have debunked 115 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,760 those debunking. And so it's it's a really 116 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,520 healthy thing, I think. And people are just arguing in 117 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,320 detail about each piece of this evidence. 118 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,960 I think that's what we need to do if we just believe the 119 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,000 experts and say, OK, there must be a climate crisis because the 120 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,480 experts say there is. That's not the way to go. 121 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,920 And if you look into it for yourself, you'll find a right 122 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,440 away that anything alarming they're telling you is a lie. 123 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,320 There's nothing at all alarming happening in the weather or 124 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,680 climate. It wasn't also happening 1000 125 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,160 years ago. Well, it precisely. 126 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,600 So it's it's going to be interesting to see how this, how 127 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,920 this goes because as you've said or as you've alluded to, there 128 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,160 is a whole army of debunkers out there that are that are 129 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,360 basically have set up YouTube channels and entire careers 130 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,320 based on debunking what they see as being conspiracy theory or 131 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,880 anything really which is kind of narrative. 132 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:55,160 And so far you haven't seen too much response from this group 133 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,840 yet, and just be interested to see how that develops. 134 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Yeah, it's interesting. We expected to see some 135 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,400 attempted debunkings from like the New York Times or Washington 136 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,360 Post or the mainstream media, and they've been just strangely 137 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,920 silent on this whole thing. I'm surprised so far. 138 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,120 And maybe something's coming, or maybe it's not. 139 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,720 But we're getting more debunkings, attempted debunkings 140 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 from people you maybe you've never heard of before. 141 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,680 But a lot of the pushback is that, oh, the the people in the 142 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,280 movie are too old or they're we don't like the color of their 143 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,560 skin or something. It's just totally trivial stuff 144 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,800 that makes no sense. They're not really engaging at 145 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,640 all with the meat of the arguments because they really 146 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,360 can't. You really can't. 147 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,720 If you look at the data, you can't argue that hurricanes are 148 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,760 worse than they used to be or fires are, are are any of that 149 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,320 stuff Tony Heller does a really good job of pointing out in the 150 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,480 data everywhere. If you look, go down any rabbit 151 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,360 hole you want, you cannot find that the weather is getting 152 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,920 worse or the climate is getting worse because it just isn't. 153 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,480 There's this whole deal where like maybe in the US we're 154 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,360 supposed to think that heat waves are getting worse. 155 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,600 But if you look even here in Minnesota, where I'm from, the 156 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,560 temperature hit 100° Fahrenheit 38 times in the 30s and the 40s, 157 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,080 and then since 1988 it's done at maybe 10 times total. 158 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,760 So the whole idea that things the Earth is getting way hotter 159 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,280 and the temperatures are way more unbearable now it just is 160 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,120 not supported by the data. Right. 161 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,920 I know this is part of the problem of perhaps this is part 162 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:26,640 of the reason that it's so easy for governments and NGOs and 163 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,120 scientists that are involved in this industry to persuade people 164 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,320 that there is actually an issue is because of course we're 165 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,320 talking about climate here and so we're talking about hundreds, 166 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,799 thousands, 10s of thousands, millions of years. 167 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,480 We need to be looking at whereas most people are only looking in 168 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,360 terms of their own lifetimes and they won't remember what 169 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,040 happened in the 1930s, there aren't very many people left on 170 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,840 the planet that remember what happened in the 1930s. 171 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:59,280 And so, since most people have are born post war and have gone 172 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,880 through this cool period in the 1970s in particular, then it's 173 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,840 perhaps easy to sell the narrative that world is warming 174 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,720 up. Yeah, that's a great point. 175 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,760 I'm old enough to remember the 1970s myself, and it really was 176 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,280 cold in the 1970s. And my dad's old enough still to 177 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,800 remember the Dust Bowl here in the US in the 30s. 178 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,680 He he was a little kid when that happened and he, yeah, he said 179 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:23,600 it was really hot and it was very dusty, even in Minnesota. 180 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,920 But yeah, this whole perspective of if it's warmer since 1975, 181 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,720 then we have to panic. That's just not how it works. 182 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,880 People on my podcast. I've had over 200 people on my 183 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,880 podcast and they're constantly giving a perspective of long 184 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,160 cycles, and climate is so complicated that there's all 185 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,680 sorts of different cycles. There's like decadal cycles and 186 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:47,320 century long ones and much longer cycles, and it's very 187 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,760 complicated to try to figure out what's going to happen next. 188 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,360 But just that's the way it's been. 189 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,280 Even since humans have been on Earth, we've seen a lot of 190 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,480 really warm times and a lot of cold times, and the warm times 191 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,560 have always been better for life On Earth. 192 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,800 Warm times have been known as optimums for a reason, because 193 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,920 it's a lot better or humans and other life when it's warmer. 194 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,080 Do you say, I mean what what's your thoughts on what's coming 195 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,200 over the next few decades? Are we looking at things? 196 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,920 I mean, some people are saying that we're looking at things 197 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,760 actually cooling down even further in the next few decades. 198 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Do you have any sort of insight into what you think is likely to 199 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,920 come next? I think that's a great question. 200 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,720 And I I've interviewed all these experts, I've listened to what 201 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,880 they've said, and my conclusion is that Earth's climate is so 202 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,280 complicated that nobody understands it well enough to 203 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,640 predict what's going to happen next. 204 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,720 So it could get warmer, it could get colder. 205 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,560 But I do think if you live long enough, any people who are 206 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:43,120 listening that live until 2100, it's extremely likely that at 207 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,880 some point you're going to see cooling and warming and that 208 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,880 that's just the way it's always gone in human history. 209 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,040 The whole idea that it's going to just keep warming 210 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,600 monotonically from here to 2100, I would bet huge money that that 211 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,280 doesn't happen. It's just colder, warmer, 212 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,320 colder. It just keeps happening and 213 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,000 unpredictable when it's going to happen. 214 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,080 Yes. So the next thing I'd like to 215 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,200 sort of touch on with you is the censorship side of things and 216 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,240 see get get some thoughts on you about this. 217 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,240 Because I'm not just talking about the censorship of of the 218 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,760 likes of your work on social media platforms and the Internet 219 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,880 and so on. But actually the silencing of 220 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,520 academics. Because one of the things that 221 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,160 that was clear over the over the COVID period and so on was that 222 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,800 the doctors that were coming out and talking against the 223 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,960 government's COVID narrative were finding themselves being de 224 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,480 platformed, yes, but also removed from post or or being 225 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,280 attacked by the medical or academic establishment in some 226 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,920 way. The same kind of thing happens 227 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,360 with climate scientists. They're they're silenced by 228 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,320 their institutions or they lose their jobs or they certainly 229 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,480 lose their research funding. I'd like to get some thoughts 230 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,320 from you on on that and what we might do about that. 231 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,600 Yeah, I mean that is a great point that you made there and 232 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,160 that is that's woken so many people up that they went through 233 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,960 COVID maybe four or five years ago. 234 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,000 They tended to believe what the mainstream media said, and if 235 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,600 the doctors didn't conform with the mainstream, they must be 236 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,400 wrong and maybe we should silence them. 237 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,600 But I think the elites went for the great reset here and what 238 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,720 they got was a great awakening. I'm just talking to all sorts of 239 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,080 people now who have figured out that they lied to us over and 240 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,960 over with COVID and they're saying what else are they lying 241 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,520 to us about? And now they're looking at 242 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,560 climate. I talked to a lot of people who 243 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,760 went through that very thing. They're looking at climate now. 244 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,560 They're finding out that of course they're just lying to us 245 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:37,400 every day over and over on climate. 246 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:41,000 So I think the whole COVID thing, it was just horrible, but 247 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,480 it did some good in the long run and that the people are asking 248 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,440 the right questions. And I I'm watching this whole 249 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,160 climate crisis narrative crumble right around us as we speak it. 250 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,360 It's definitely going down. And it it makes me very happy to 251 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,920 see that the lies are not standing up now like they were 252 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,320 five years ago. OK. 253 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,480 So you you are actually quite optimistic about that which is 254 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,160 which is very encouraging. Do you and and do you see that 255 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,520 as being something which is limited to a particular 256 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,800 generation, or is it right across the age range? 257 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,440 I think it is across the age range. 258 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,200 Yeah, I I do think it is. It is much harder to fool older 259 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,520 people with this whole climate crisis thing because they've 260 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,640 lived long enough to see so many other narratives be proven 261 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,400 wrong. So I think if you're 20 years 262 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,800 old and you've never seen bad weather in your neighbourhood, 263 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,600 it is easier for you to believe this stuff. 264 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,880 But I think even the young people are realizing that there 265 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,400 were so many lies told to us during COVID, etcetera. 266 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,880 And I should go back and mention that in the movie. 267 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,400 Ross Mckittrick does a good job of talking about how you kind of 268 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,560 you get cancelled in the academic world, in the 269 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:46,280 scientific world, if your views didn't match up with a narrative 270 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,040 that you could lose your job, your papers wouldn't get 271 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,880 published and they would kind of throw you off to the side. 272 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,680 And then they would say, hey, we've got a consensus cause we 273 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:56,080 threw out everybody who didn't agree. 274 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,000 And so that the people who are left agree and we must be right 275 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,320 because look, we have a consensus. 276 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,600 So I think Ross Mckittrick laid that out very well. 277 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,440 But I think that whole thing is starting to crumble and it has 278 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,200 to. Science is self correcting. 279 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,120 And there is no science at all that supports the whole idea 280 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,000 that CO2 is a climate control knob. 281 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,200 The weather is getting worse, there's a climate crisis. 282 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,720 There's no science at all that supports that. 283 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,960 So the the whole thing has to crumble and it is crumbling 284 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,280 right now. Well, science is self 285 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,720 correcting. But of course if we look 286 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,320 historically, science often hasn't self corrected until 287 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,520 after the scientists are dead. And in which case it becomes a 288 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,520 kind of a a travesty or a tragedy for for them as 289 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,920 individuals. But also because we're looking 290 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:42,320 at, you know, political policy driving this agenda and there is 291 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,400 a danger that if it takes 30-40, fifty years for the science to 292 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,760 to write itself, actually a lot of damage is going to be done in 293 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,400 the meantime. 100% agree with that. 294 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,800 And I do agree that the movie that we put out here, it we're 295 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,920 not trying to convince Michael Mann and Catherine Hayhoe and 296 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,000 these politicians who have gone all in on it. 297 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,520 I think they're going to cling to this thing forever because 298 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,640 it's way too painful to admit that they were wrong. 299 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,800 And I think a lot of these scientists because of group 300 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,480 think they're pushing this crisis narrative. 301 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,720 They actually believe it. They actually haven't. 302 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,320 Whatever. They haven't checked into it for 303 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,960 themselves and they're delusional enough to believe it 304 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,600 and I think they're going to continue to believe it. 305 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,360 But I think the general public who they're not haven't gone all 306 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,160 in on it. They're willing to listen. 307 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,040 And I I'd like to say even in the past I believed in the 308 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,400 narrative I I like 20 years ago I believed in this narrative. 309 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,920 I didn't ever climb at March but I thought that the CO2 was 310 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,080 causing the the climate to get too warm. 311 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,000 I I hate to admit that actually, but a lot of people are like me, 312 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Anthony Watts, Tony Heller, who are strongly on the correct 313 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,680 side. Now they did believe in the 314 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,840 past. That makes me think that people 315 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,320 are persuadable. And if people just think for 316 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,720 themselves and look at do any sanity checking at all, they're 317 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,960 going to join us on the correct side and get on the right side 318 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,320 of the science. Right. 319 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,200 So the reason I asked about the age issue of whether this is 320 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,400 something that goes right across the age range of course is that 321 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,960 younger generations have been subject to propagandization 322 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,080 within schools. And it's a really sad situation 323 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,560 that schools are propagandizing children in that way, but they 324 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,560 they have been subject to that. So I was just interested in in 325 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,560 what your feedback is on on the the long term effect of that? 326 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,200 Yeah, by the way, I do think that parents, when they find out 327 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,800 that this is being pushed on their innocent kids at school, I 328 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,400 think you should take time out of your day and fight back hard. 329 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,720 And that I actually did that in my case a few years ago in our 330 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,800 local high school. I found out that there was a 331 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,640 warmest that was going to come in and and talk about all this 332 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,360 BS about climate. So I actually, I asked for equal 333 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,360 time and I I pushed that. I thought they can hear one side 334 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,040 and they can hear my side. And the eventual result of the 335 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,840 whole thing is that they didn't hear from either side which I 336 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,920 thought was fine. But I I don't think we should 337 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,640 just sit back and let people push this crazy propaganda on 338 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,680 kids. I think it's straight up evil 339 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,560 that they pushed us on kids, and kids can't sleep at night, 340 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,200 'cause they think that whatever, they're not going to have a 341 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,520 future. They're not going to study 342 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,000 because CO2 is going to do something bad to their future. 343 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,560 That's straight up evil. And we have to take time and 344 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,880 push back hard against it. But I do think that this just 345 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,839 can't last much longer. Like you say, there's a lot of 346 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:24,480 horrible stuff can happen in the meantime. 347 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,440 But I do think politicians in general are just going to stop 348 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,040 talking about it. I don't think they're going to 349 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,280 come out and say, hey, we were wrong. 350 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:34,280 Sorry, I think we're just going to suddenly notice, hey, they're 351 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,760 not talking about it anymore. I think that's how this is going 352 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,760 to play out mostly. OK, that's that's an interesting 353 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,960 take. I I hope, I hope that's correct 354 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,520 And and of course the reason I'm sort of asking these questions 355 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,880 is because one of the points that's made very clearly in the 356 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:53,640 film is just, you know, just gives an impression of the scale 357 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,640 of the industry. You know, we've got academics, 358 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,720 we've got scientists, we've got all the corporations that are 359 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:07,080 now producing product in form of wind farms and and panels and so 360 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,560 on. A whole host of the whole 361 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,640 industry based on this now. And of course at COP 28 we had 362 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,600 the whole G Fans Financial side of it starting to creep in as 363 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,120 well. We've had the statements from 364 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,280 the likes of Mark Carney about everybody being bankrupted if 365 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,320 they don't get on board with this agenda. 366 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,360 That seems like a very big juggernaut heading towards 367 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:34,240 everybody. It might be hard to get that 368 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,280 stopped, or at least diverted. Yeah, I think it's true. 369 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,000 I mean, I often say on Twitter that this is the most massive 370 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,760 scientific fraud in human history and people are 371 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,640 correcting me and saying maybe it's the most massive overall 372 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,000 fraud in human history. So the scale here is absolutely, 373 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,480 it's trillions of dollars. It's not even billions, it's 374 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,960 trillions of dollars. So yeah, the whole idea that 375 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,120 this is going to get stopped does sound like a big deal, but 376 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,080 the whole thing is so stupid with no scientific backing at 377 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,880 all. And then it's so destructive to 378 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,640 ordinary people like the farmers in the Netherlands. 379 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,640 They're not just going to sit there and let the people shut 380 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,440 them down because they're they're cows, fart too much or 381 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,440 whatever. So I think there's going to just 382 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,000 be enormous amounts of pushback amongst the real people because 383 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,720 this whole thing is an attack on real people with real jobs. 384 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,640 It absolutely the elites are attacking. 385 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,880 They want our money and they want our power and people are 386 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,600 not going to just sit and take it, which makes me happy the 387 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,520 whole the protests against the alleged elites are making me 388 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,560 very happy. I think we're going to see way 389 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,880 more of that as they try to shove this down our throats. 390 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:43,120 Yes, And and another part of it in the film, they're absolutely 391 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:45,560 making the point that we are effectively in. 392 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,000 And I say it's depending on your definition, of course. 393 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,160 But the definition they're suggesting is that, you know, an 394 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,120 Ice Age is any time where you're going to have ice at the poles. 395 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,600 It could be ice anywhere on the planet, I suppose. 396 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,640 Maybe that's, I haven't summarised that very well. 397 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:06,680 But of course the Arctic is increasingly become becoming a 398 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,560 key area geopolitically and it's amazing to me how the climate 399 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,800 change agenda is being wrapped into this geopolitical aspect as 400 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,680 well. So, for example, the British 401 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,360 government's just published a. Press release a few minutes ago, 402 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,280 which I'm going to talk about on our news programme tomorrow, 403 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,760 talking about the Arctic warming four times faster than the rest 404 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,000 of the planet and the number of wildfires in the region has more 405 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,440 than tripled since 2018. This is, this is their words. 406 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,000 I'm not, I'm not standing by these in any way. 407 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,960 These changes are felt most deeply by people in the region, 408 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,840 but they also affect the UK's weather, national environment 409 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,160 and resilience. But they say melting sea ice 410 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,600 will also make it possible for a wider range of actors to access 411 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,880 the region, which has the potential to increase tensions. 412 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,280 And of course this leads in very nicely, as far as they're 413 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,840 concerned, into the whole Russia, China narrative. 414 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,040 And so suddenly the Arctic becomes a a key area for 415 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,200 geopolitically. It's amazing how they try to 416 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,880 weave these these policy areas together. 417 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:11,760 Yeah, so they try on all these fronts to try to fool us, but 418 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,760 it's so easy to debunk this stuff. 419 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,280 Like the whole idea, and maybe there was a surge in fire since 420 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,400 2018, but the whole idea that trace CO2 caused a tripling of 421 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,280 fires over six years or something that just is so 422 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,880 stupid, It's amazing that people believe in that. 423 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,600 And of course they tried to sell this whole idea that CO2 is bad 424 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,480 for polar bears. But we can point out that for 425 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,840 sure we don't know how many polar bears are out there, but 426 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,800 for sure there's way more of them now than there was during 427 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,480 the 1970s global cooling scare. The whole idea that CO2 is the 428 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,960 polar bear control knob is completely crazy. 429 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,960 I I enjoy the Arctic sea ice thing because they they 430 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,400 desperately try to just cherry pick the correct start date. 431 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,200 And if you pick the other dates, that doesn't support what 432 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,400 they're saying. And I love the fact that they're 433 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,400 trying to tell us that Alaska is the fastest warming place on 434 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,080 Earth and there's this banana sea ice thing, or I'm sorry, the 435 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,520 Nenana River ice contest that's been going on for over 100 436 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,600 years. I don't know if you're familiar 437 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,360 with it. You can bet on exactly when the 438 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:13,800 ice goes out on that river. And just this year, the ice is 439 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,600 just comically thick right now as we speak. 440 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,360 Most recently it was over 4 feet thick, way thicker now than it 441 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:22,760 was back when they started showing us the data in in 442 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,320 nineteen 1980s. So whatever reason, the ice up 443 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,200 there is not conforming to the narrative. 444 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,960 And they they can, they can try to spin things any way they 445 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,320 want. But if you look at the actual 446 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,480 data, it is not, it's not doing what it's supposed to be doing. 447 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,920 So that's part of the reason why I enjoy doing this every day, is 448 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,400 that it it's so easy to tear this stuff apart. 449 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,480 If you look at the real data, yeah. 450 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,160 Well, let's just talk about wildfires for a second now, 451 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,240 going back many, many years, I mentioned this book several 452 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,200 times, and so our audience is familiar with it. 453 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,560 But Michael Crichton wrote the book State of Fear and of course 454 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,040 fictional book. He included a whole lot of data 455 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,800 that was available at that time in the book. 456 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,720 But the point is he was his story was based on a narrative 457 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,800 where many of these events were being created intentionally 458 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:14,120 through deliberate action by activists and so on, just to 459 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:16,600 light fires or create floods or whatever it happened to be in 460 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,680 order to to generate the news headlines that that created the 461 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,120 narrative. Do you think that kind of thing 462 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,880 is actually going on? I do it, yeah. 463 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,200 That's a great book, that that guy was super smart and now we 464 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,680 we miss him. But yeah, I think people have 465 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,360 been caught lighting fires. I think people who have been 466 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:37,560 activists have been caught trying to help out the narrative 467 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,520 by lighting fires. That's the thing that actually 468 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,120 happened. But in the case of the weather 469 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,360 data or the fire data in the US, it's so fun to take a look at 470 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:50,080 that because even high level of people, supposedly people that 471 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,520 we're going to trust on the other side, they say look, Oh 472 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,280 no, the fire since maybe 1982 or 1983 are up, that must mean that 473 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,440 CO2 is causing wildfires. But that is the worst cherry 474 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,160 pick I've ever seen, really, because that they picked the 475 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,200 single year out of all of the 20th century as their starting 476 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,640 point. They picked the lowest year. 477 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,160 And if you go back before 1982, you look at the first half of 478 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,360 the 20th century in the US, the fires consistently were just 479 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,920 comically large compared to whatever has happened since 480 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,760 then. So if you look at the whole data 481 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,960 that we have, there's no way you'd think that CO2 is the 482 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,440 wildfire control knob. The only way you can believe 483 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,200 them is if you just forget everything that happened before 484 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,400 1982. But that's the case with kind of 485 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,560 all of this stuff. You can pick any rabbit hole 486 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,200 again. You can go down that, and you 487 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,800 can find examples like this just everywhere. 488 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,720 They're totally assuming that you're stupid and that you won't 489 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,080 look at the data for yourself. And less and less people are 490 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,920 just accepting this stuff at face value. 491 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,600 So the whole thing is very fun for me, just the whole 492 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,640 debunking. I I really enjoy it. 493 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,360 It's it's. I enjoy it because it's so easy. 494 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,400 You mentioned the 70s cooling scare and of course the the 495 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,680 most, possibly the most famous person that was behind that was 496 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,840 was Leonard Leonard Nimoy who did his explanation that we were 497 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,960 heading into an Ice Age. What? 498 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,920 How did we get from that to the global warming narrative? 499 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,680 Because that seemed to turn on the dime. 500 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,280 It it did turn on a dime. And another famous guy, the late 501 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,880 Stephen Schneider, he was saying that during the 1970s that Oh 502 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,400 no, the earth is cooling and the cause is burning fossil fuels. 503 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,160 And just on a dime after it started warming, he turned and 504 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,080 said hey, Oh no, the earth is warming. 505 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,240 The cause is burning fossil fuels. 506 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,080 And in both cases the cooling was supposed to cause more 507 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,960 drought and flood and fires. Everything that was bad. 508 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,000 And then on a dime they said OK the warming is going to cause 509 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,200 droughts and fires. It's just amazing how they they 510 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,760 they just flipped as soon as the temperature flipped. 511 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,880 And I think again people are listening now may see this 512 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,160 again. I'm not sure. 513 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,800 Tim Ball the late great Tim Ball. 514 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,680 He said he lived through four different kind of scares of 515 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,440 cooling, warming, cooling, warming, and I don't know if 516 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,680 they'll try it again and hope we'll forget if it starts 517 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,520 cooling again. They may say, Oh no, a global 518 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,960 cooling is the thing we need to worry about and the solution is 519 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,120 to stop burning a hydrocarbon fuels. 520 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,280 I don't know if they're really going to try that, but it would 521 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,960 not surprise me if they try that again. 522 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,560 Yeah. And and of course our standard 523 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,280 of living as I was speaking to Steve Gorham some time ago and 524 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,400 and we were discussing this in a bit more detail, but but our 525 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,320 standard of living is based on the availability of inexpensive 526 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,960 energy. And one of the things that that 527 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,280 I thought was great in the in the film was was the trip to 528 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,720 Africa where of course they were making the point that Africa is 529 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,200 not being allowed to develop and they're not being given access 530 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,960 to an expensive energy. They're being basically being 531 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,400 told that, you know, because the Western world or the first world 532 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,360 has has sort of created this massive problem through its use 533 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,920 of of hydrocarbons, really Africa's going to have to skip 534 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,520 the hydrocarbon step and go straight to something else. 535 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,880 But in the meantime, we're happy to to pull out, continue pulling 536 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,200 out their natural resources in terms of cobalt and lithium and 537 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,920 all the other stuff that we need in order to to pursue these 538 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,800 these dumb power generation technologies that we're trying 539 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,320 to plant all over the place. And and so, you know, it's it's 540 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,480 totally unfair on the people in that part of the world who who 541 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:33,320 are coming later into this game. But in the meantime, you know we 542 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:39,200 are ourselves experiencing the removal of inexpensive energy 543 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,360 and naturally we're going to see a falling in our standards of 544 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,880 living. Yeah, that that's a great point. 545 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,640 And even when Martin Durkin went over there to Africa in 2007, I 546 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,880 think he made a great point about he visited an African 547 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,080 clinic back then that they were trying to run this clinic using 548 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,360 only solar panels. But the deal was is that that 549 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,320 that clinic could either run their fridge or they could run 550 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,640 their lights, but they couldn't run both because the solar 551 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,800 panels couldn't handle both. And I think that just so it was 552 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,480 a stark example of just how crazy it is to force that kind 553 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,800 of thing on Africans when there's no way that anybody 554 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,040 these do gooders in the West, they wouldn't go to a a clinic, 555 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,880 their own clinic that's powered in such a dumb way. 556 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,680 Everybody needs reliable power. And this whole idea that we're 557 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,160 doing the Africans a favor by blocking their use of 558 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,280 hydrocarbons because they're going to thank us when the 559 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560 weather doesn't get worse. Of course, that's completely 560 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,480 crazy. And I know I've never met Jasper 561 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,400 Machogu from the movie in person, but I've talked to him a 562 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,680 lot on the phone, etcetera. And he says people in his 563 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,040 village, they don't care about climate change, they care about 564 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120 having a clean water, and they care about cooking their food 565 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,120 without getting their house all smoky. 566 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,000 And they have, they understand the real world. 567 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,880 And I think Western do gooders and they don't know what's going 568 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,320 on and the whole road to hell is paved with good intentions. 569 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,600 It's just being laid out perfectly here that a lot of 570 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,960 these do. Gooders think that they are 571 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400 doing the Africans a favor, but they're doing a terrible thing 572 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,480 for them. He also says that the the 573 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,040 Chinese are doing more to help Africans than maybe some other 574 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,040 Western countries because they're actually helping them 575 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,560 build roads and airports and they're not pushing the climate 576 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,120 scam on them. So I'm not at all pro China in 577 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,320 general, but at least they're not pushing this ridiculous 578 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,200 climate scam on them, so that's one plus. 579 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,960 That's absolutely right. And China of course not. 580 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640 And you know China tends to use a lot of the language. 581 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,440 If you look, if you read what they publish and and so on, they 582 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,000 talk about sustainability and and so on. 583 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,640 But they seem to only talk about it, they don't do it and they 584 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,640 are quite happy to. I mean they're quite happy to 585 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,080 sell the West wind turbines and all this kind of stuff. 586 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,600 But in the meantime, they're building coal-fired power 587 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,280 stations. Yeah, yeah, there's so much 588 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,040 money to be made in this whole grift. 589 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,760 So a lot of people, I don't know how much even Elon Musk anymore, 590 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,160 if he believes in it, 'cause he's making so much money off 591 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,120 the EV grift. So a lot of people don't want to 592 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,920 speak out against it while they're making the money. 593 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,160 And I think the Chinese don't want to come out and say this 594 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,080 thing is a scam, 'cause they are cashing in on it big time too. 595 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,600 So I people talk about nuclear power, actually that I wanted to 596 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,840 bring that up at. Nobody advocates for that. 597 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,840 And I think maybe part of the reason they don't is because it 598 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,200 works and there's so. So there's not a lot of 599 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,320 opportunities for grift and nuclear power. 600 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,200 And if you try to get people to buy these crazy solutions, you 601 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,240 can make a lot of money. But if you try to get them to 602 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,200 buy a real solution like nuclear power, there's just less money 603 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,240 to be made. So that kind of makes me sad, 604 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,440 because I think in a real sane world, when we're choosing 605 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,120 reliable power based on cost benefit, we would go that way. 606 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,560 But instead, we're doing making all these stupid choices based 607 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,680 on grift, not reality. Indeed. 608 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,600 And you know, it would always seem to be more sensible to have 609 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,240 fewer power stations with higher density, higher energy density 610 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,120 in them, instead of spreading. I mean, it's not so bad in the 611 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,400 UK because because a significant proportion of our wind turbine 612 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,400 generation is offshore. But in California, some parts of 613 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,280 the United States, it's I don't understand how, from an 614 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,640 environmental point of view, the environmentalists haven't been 615 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,240 up in arms over what they're doing to the landscape. 616 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Yeah, it was interesting that even Greta was protesting 617 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,320 against wind farms not that long ago. 618 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,000 That was interesting to see. I think she was protesting even 619 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,840 against the mining for EVs. As of recently, she's come out 620 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120 against almost every form of energy really. 621 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,600 But I wanted to mention here in Minnesota there's a big push 622 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,000 that we should try to run our economy on wind turbines and 623 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,000 solar panels, that their solar facilities are heavily 624 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,560 subsidized here, and it's so crazy, 'cause we're above the 625 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,760 45th parallel and the sun angle is low and there are solar farms 626 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,840 here already that are just covered with snow. 627 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680 They're they get covered with a foot of snow and it makes no 628 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,000 sense. Nobody's clearing them off, 629 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,360 'cause nobody actually cares if they create energy or not. 630 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,640 It's all about the subsidies. They're farming subsidies and 631 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,680 and not energy. So the the idea of covering 632 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,920 fertile farmland here in Minnesota with those solar 633 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,720 panels, that makes no sense. And as you may have seen as 634 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,120 there's a huge environmental problem if those solar panels 635 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,680 get hit by hail, I think there was a big case of a solar 636 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,120 facility that got just devastated by hail. 637 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,880 So now there's all these bits of solar panels laying everywhere. 638 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,160 It's an environmental disaster, so that that in general makes no 639 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,440 sense. And I do think people are 640 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,880 figuring out and they're fighting back against a lot of 641 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000 those, a lot of those crazy facilities. 642 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,560 There's a guy named John Droves on my podcast who actually 643 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,840 specializes in fighting back against that. 644 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,960 So if people are worried about that in their local area, they 645 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,880 can either contact me or John Droves and he can help you fight 646 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,600 back against this this crazy stuff in your neighborhood. 647 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,160 So in Europe, here in the in particularly in continental 648 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,520 Europe and it and slowly but surely in the UK as well, we're 649 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,360 starting to see farmers push back heavily against the net 650 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,440 zero agenda and because they're seeing their livelihoods being 651 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,360 replaced by, you know, countryside management schemes 652 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,200 and power generation, solar panels and so on. 653 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,880 And they don't see a future in that for for the farm as it 654 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,520 were. It's is that kind of agenda 655 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,960 being pushed on farmers in the United States as well? 656 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,720 That's a good question. I mean just my dad in his farm 657 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,600 country, the agenda is being pushed as I mentioned because 658 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,280 they are actually trying to force this big solar facility to 659 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,280 cover a fertile farmland right there. 660 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,680 So that that is part of the whole net zero agenda. 661 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,080 And I'm hearing stories of farmers being offered huge 662 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,640 amounts of money, maybe 10 times their the price they would 663 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,920 expect to rent their land in order to put up either wind 664 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,320 turbines or a solar facility. So there's huge incentives right 665 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,880 now for this to happen. But even then the farmers are 666 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,360 pushing back because they know it doesn't make sense and 667 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,840 because they're wondering if maybe they sign a 20 year 668 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,920 contract with one of these shifty companies and the the 669 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,280 farmland gets covered with the some crazy with cement and metal 670 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,719 or whatever and then the company goes out of business, who's 671 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,840 going to clean it up? I think there's going to be a 672 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,320 lot of people asking that question and they're too smart 673 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,960 to just a sign on the dotted line because none, I guess none 674 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,040 of this stuff makes sense in reality. 675 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,400 And I think farmers in general might have a better sense of 676 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,080 real life than people who live in cities. 677 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,719 They're out there in the weather all the time. 678 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,639 They see what they do has to actually work in real life. 679 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,199 I think Martin Durkin talks about this new class of people 680 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,280 that are bureaucrats that just live in an academic world. 681 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,920 They don't actually know how things work in real life. 682 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,240 I think it's way easier to fool them with a computer model 683 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,640 rather than a farmer who's actually out in the weather 684 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,080 every day. People who are grounded in 685 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,840 reality are way harder to fool. Coming back on to this sort of 686 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:15,040 the the promotion of of this policy in the media and 687 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,720 censorship and so on in the UK, the BBC got a special mention on 688 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:25,920 your in your film and in the UK, the BBC when it's training 689 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,680 journalists actually doesn't just teach journalism. 690 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,280 It teaches climate as well, right. 691 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,680 And it's and that's the only policy area outside of 692 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,080 journalism that it obviously teaches things like when 693 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,640 teaching journalists it teaches things like you know media law 694 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,240 and stuff like this. But the the only sort of 695 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,280 political policy area that they teach is climate because they 696 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,440 they absolutely want to make sure that everybody that's 697 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,800 working for them is only pushing that particular point of view. 698 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,880 Do you see that kind of thing in media in the United States or 699 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,000 are they prepared to to contemplate speaking to somebody 700 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,400 who's skeptical, let's say? I think it is probably almost as 701 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,880 bad or close to it in the USI think there was just something 702 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,880 that came out about National Public Radio here in the US 703 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,720 where something like they looked at the political leanings or the 704 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,120 the registration politically of 87 people in NPR, it was 87 left 705 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,280 wingers, 0 right wingers. So I think there is an enormous 706 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,400 push in the media to go all left wing. 707 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,280 I think the BBC has a misinformation person called 708 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,720 Mariana Springs, I think, yeah. Yep. 709 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,840 So you can just about invert everything that she says, that 710 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,720 everything that she says is misinformation is actually 711 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,560 information, and vice versa. It's pretty amazing how she can 712 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,600 get everything wrong. And I think BBC may have had 713 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,840 some policy where they they wouldn't even talk official 714 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,120 policy, where they wouldn't talk to a climate skeptic for 715 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,640 stories. I forget a completely crazy. 716 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,160 Yeah, yeah. So I think the LA Times here in 717 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,000 the US had a policy where they, I don't know if they wouldn't 718 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,480 accept any sort of pushback against the narrative, but I am 719 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,240 seeing little cracks in the armor. 720 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,320 I I need to write up another blog post about this just in the 721 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,920 last, maybe the last month or so, there's more and more cracks 722 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,680 in the armor. There Was this a daily cause 723 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,280 over here? KOS, they had a climate denier 724 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,240 roundup. They did 2200 articles all 725 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:28,800 pushing back against people like me. 726 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,920 Suddenly they just went dark and their last thing was at the end 727 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,280 of 23. They said they're going to come 728 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,240 back, but they never did. There's also a Climate Nexus 729 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,320 newsletter type of thing. Just today they said, OK, I'm 730 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,840 sorry, it was fun while it lasted, but we're going out of 731 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,640 business or whatever. There's more and more stuff like 732 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,840 that. There's this Sabina 733 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,560 Hassenfelter, who's a YouTube, a big YouTube on the other side. 734 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,120 And right after our movie came out, within the next week, she 735 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,160 said, you know, she gave out, came out with this YouTube video 736 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,160 saying let's not get too alarmist about this. 737 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,520 It was kind of crazy, 'cause she has been totally alarmist and 738 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,920 all of a sudden she did this thing saying let, let's not, 739 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,240 let's not go too far with this. So I think there is going to be 740 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,680 some people who are going to produce content like this so 741 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,920 that they can point at it later and say, you know, I never 742 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,400 really did buy into this thing, look at this content I did in 743 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,320 2024. So I think there will be a 744 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,320 little bit of that. Like I said earlier, I think 745 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,840 most people will just forget. They'll just stop talking about 746 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,320 it and we'll go, hey, I haven't heard much about climate 747 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,680 anymore. I think they're going to move on 748 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,800 to something else. That's what happened actually, 749 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,720 with the ivory build woodpecker, that enormous amounts of people 750 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,040 who went all in on that, just stop talking about it. 751 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,640 They just, they didn't say I was wrong or anything. 752 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,160 They just, they haven't mentioned it for 15 years now. 753 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,080 I'm not certain people will get away with that in this case. 754 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,840 So, so look, you know if we think over the last lot of years 755 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,960 since say 2016 or so, we have seen in the UK at least a real 756 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,680 major splits in society. So the split in 2016 to 2018 757 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,960 kind of time was around Brexit and then we had very much 758 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,200 similar dividing line over lockdown policy and and 759 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,360 vaccination and this kind of stuff over the COVID period. 760 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,920 And we're starting to see perhaps the same types of 761 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,800 divides when it with respect to net zero policy and ultra low 762 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,080 emission zones in towns and cities and and restrictions on 763 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,160 travel and so on. And in the film they talk about 764 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,920 you talk about the the sort of the dividing line being between 765 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,920 conservatives and liberals. And I'd just like to be 766 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,320 interested to get some thoughts on you about how much, if any 767 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,600 overlap there is there or whether it is a hard division. 768 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,920 And and actually be interested in your thoughts on whether the 769 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,320 fact that Donald Trump has been vocal in this area has has hurt 770 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,840 the skeptic, the skeptic side. Yeah, that is a great question. 771 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,760 And I do think that more and more maybe it was red versus 772 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,040 blue, Democrat versus Republican over here. 773 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,800 But I do think there's been a shift where it's more sanity 774 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,360 versus insanity. I'm seeing a lot of that. 775 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,840 One example is Joe Rogan with his huge, huge audience. 776 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,960 He's been quite a left winger. I think he was a supporter of 777 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,400 Bernie Sanders and there was a time when Candace Owens was on 778 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,720 his podcast and she said she didn't believe in the climate 779 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,000 scam and he was he could not believe it. 780 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,800 He was a dumbfounded that nobody that this guest did not believe 781 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,480 it, but he is definitely shifted a little bit at a time. 782 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,160 So now when climate change comes up on his podcast, it does every 783 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,800 once in a while he scoffs at it. He he's not all in on it at all 784 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,200 like he just was recently. Let's see. 785 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,080 Yeah, I'm seeing this from a lot of other podcasters that are 786 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,520 coming at it from a COVID point of view. 787 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,720 They're talking all about the lockdowns were a mistake and all 788 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,240 this other stuff and they are starting more and more to 789 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,880 mention climate and they're starting to scoff at it. 790 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,120 I'm hearing so much of that coming from people who do come 791 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,480 from a left wing background. So as I said elsewhere, there's 792 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,520 a lot of well known left wingers who I thought I would disagree 793 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,560 with them on everything as of five years ago. 794 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,240 And now I'm kind of nodding my head and I'm starting to like 795 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:15,680 it. There's Brett Weinstein and 796 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,400 there's there's rusty rockets. I forget what his real name is, 797 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,160 Russell Brand, and there's RFK Junior who is talking about how 798 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,240 maybe skeptics should be jailed or something. 799 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,840 He's come around. He's definitely not all in on 800 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,400 our side, but he is softening his rhetoric quite a bit and 801 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,200 it's encouraging in general that I think this great awakening is 802 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,240 happening on all sides of the aisle. 803 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:44,000 I I do think that people want to just brand you as a crazy 804 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,360 Trumper. If you didn't believe in the in 805 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,440 the climate scam, that was definitely a thing. 806 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,480 But I think that is way less of a thing now than it was five 807 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,160 years ago. That makes me happy too. 808 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,000 Well, oh look, it must be warming up in Plymouth. 809 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,560 We can see the lighthouse again. So there we go. 810 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,400 Well, well, look, I'm going to say, I'm going to say thank you 811 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,960 very much for speaking me today, Tom. 812 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,120 Fascinating discussion. I'd like to talk to you again. 813 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,680 But in the meantime, we need to promote the film. 814 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,240 So how do people get to see the film? 815 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,960 Yeah, you can just go to climatethemovie.net and you can 816 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,520 see it there and but you can Google for climate the movie and 817 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,840 actually it has been coming up lately so you can look on your 818 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,400 favorite search engine. You can also Google for Tom 819 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,800 Nelson sub stack and get a lot more information about the 820 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,600 movie. You can find out how to download 821 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,200 a copy if you want to and upload it elsewhere. 822 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,840 And you can also search for Tom Nelson podcast if you want to 823 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,040 hear a lot more from people in the movie. 824 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,320 A lot of people in the movie. I've interviewed them at great 825 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,680 length on my podcast, so you can get way more way more audio 826 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,120 there if you want to. Yeah. 827 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,720 I'm going to say it's your channel is fantastic. 828 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:56,400 I really enjoy it and and you know a wide gamut of of comment 829 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,240 commentators on that. It is, it is a great resource. 830 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,960 So I'm going to say thank you very much for joining us today 831 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,320 Tom. All the best with the film. 832 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,160 We will do our best to to get it spread as widely as possible in 833 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,440 this country and thank you for joining me today. 834 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,320 All right. Thanks a lot for having me on. 835 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,400 I hope to talk to you again if you have time again some other 836 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:14,880 time. Thank you. 837 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,800 Absolutely. Thank you.