1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,840 In the middle of the ocean, you can't dial 999 and expect an 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,360 ambulance or a fire engine or police to come and save you. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,000 You have to have constant availability of distress 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,440 alerting. The resolution says we must have 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,920 in space redundancy. When you press that distress 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,360 button because there's imminent danger to loss of life or 7 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,360 vessel, that signal will always go through. 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,480 You could hear the captain screaming and shouting, trying 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,720 to get the crew in, and then you could hear the gunshots. 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,760 You could hear the seafarers being executed. 11 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,320 A12O334 is the regulatory requirements that a satellite 12 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,280 provider like MOSAP has to comply with to ensure that 13 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,880 maritime is as safe as possible and some examples of this of why 14 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,560 it's important the availability of services. 15 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,720 Now you have to have constant availability of distress 16 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,320 alerting. That's equivalent of 999 on 911 17 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,840 calls. If you were to have your house 18 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,480 go on fire or somebody try and rob your house, you'd dial 999 19 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,760 and the police or ambulance or fire service would come through 20 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:36,280 in the middle of the ocean. You can't dial 999 and expect an 21 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,960 ambulance or a fire engine or police to come and save you. 22 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,640 So we must have that availability in excess of 99.9% 23 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,280 availability of safety services. Now you look at your Commercial 24 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,600 Services, your mobile phone whilst you were travelling here 25 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,920 today, how many times did you lose your signal whilst you were 26 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,760 on the train, whilst you were transiting here? 27 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,440 Terrestrial networks do not have the same availability as our 28 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,000 satellite network. So that's one part of the 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,480 resolution is that we must have 99.9% availability and we're 30 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,400 monitored on this throughout year. 31 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,120 The other one is satellites are in space. 32 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,000 So for the GMDSS, the Global Maritime Distress and Safety 33 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:21,720 System, which is the US, the UN and policy on on safety, it says 34 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,640 what happens if one of our satellites was to fail. 35 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,720 So we've got the AOR E, AOR W, POR and IOR 4 primary satellites 36 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,400 in geostationary orbit, which is about 22,000 miles from the 37 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,080 equator following the rotation of the Earth. 38 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,040 So what would happen if the POR satellite were to fail? 39 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,760 Every vessel in the POR region wouldn't have safety services. 40 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,680 So the resolution says we must have in space redundancy. 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,480 So we have additional satellites behind the primary ones that we 42 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 must demonstrate 4 * a year. What happens if this one fails? 43 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,880 And the resolution says we've got one hour to restore safety 44 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,520 services. Now safety services take 45 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,880 priority over any commercial service we've got. 46 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,360 So we've got priorities on our network and on our terminals 47 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:11,680 that distress is the highest. Nothing can go higher than 48 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,120 distress. Even if there was congestion on 49 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,320 the network, distress takes priority. 50 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,120 You've then got urgency safety and then commercial routine 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,480 traffic. So we're given one hour to 52 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,480 restore safety services. You practice it in front of the 53 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,040 International Mobile Satellite Organization in so and they come 54 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,840 and witnesses doing this 4 * a year on average. 55 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,200 Because we've been doing it for so long and we're well trained 56 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,200 on this. It takes between 13 and 15 57 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,800 minutes. So we do it well within the 58 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,640 hour. And this is to make sure that 59 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,360 when you press that distress button, because there's imminent 60 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,280 danger to loss of life or vessel, that signal will always 61 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,080 go through and rescue centre will always have. 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:57,360 It like this idea of orbital real estate is just becoming so 63 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,280 topical right now, like, you know, walking around Ian 64 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,320 speaking to you, your experience, depth of knowledge, 65 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,760 the people who respect your shown in this building, John 66 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,200 shows that you've, you know, you're new to this game, you've 67 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,480 been around for a while and you know, it's it's an honour to be 68 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,000 able to speak to you. But for for most people, 69 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,480 satellite was kind of a dish on your house, getting TV. 70 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,440 And you know, there was this exotic idea of a SAT phone that, 71 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,520 you know, you might use if you were doing the Dakar race and 72 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,280 stuck in Mauritania, right. So, but what we're seeing now 73 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:31,720 is, is, you know, low Earth orbit, you've inhabited it from 74 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,560 a business perspective for decades, but we're seeing the 75 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,480 emergence of obviously private providers of communications, 76 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Starlink and others, and they've just made a multi billion dollar 77 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,160 investment. You know, we're seeing data 78 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,320 centres in space computation moving into low Earth orbit to 79 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,560 benefit from solar power rather than terrestrial like, but of 80 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,960 all the people on the planet, you're probably one of the most 81 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,720 experienced people in operating in low Earth orbit. 82 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,520 Like what's the reality of actually running production 83 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,240 systems in space? Yeah. 84 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,440 So we are primarily geostationary at the moment, 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,480 which means our satellites are 22,000 miles from the equator, 86 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:15,720 the fur that the satellites are away and that's a very special 87 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,320 orbit that geostationary. It means that the gravitational 88 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,680 pull of the Earth isn't strong enough to pull the satellites in 89 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,720 and destroy them, but it's just strong enough to stop them 90 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,320 drifting away, which means they're the biggest and most 91 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,840 powerful satellites out there and they last a long time. 92 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,560 So we're talking, we've got old satellites that last over 20 93 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,960 years because you fly them regularly. 94 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,920 And when you fly a satellite to keep it like say in that parking 95 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,280 space in the real estate that's assigned to us, our satellite 96 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,240 pilots are very skilled at using the minimum amount of fuel to 97 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,320 keep them in that position. The further you come in to the 98 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,520 the Earth's orbit, the smaller the satellites are. 99 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,560 So the Leo satellites, low Earth orbit are smaller and they don't 100 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,840 last as long. So we are moving now and well, 101 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,760 adapting to having dual constellations. 102 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,800 You think if you're on a vessel even for commercial, you don't 103 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,520 want to be swapping. All right, Am I going to use 104 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,080 Leo? Am I going to use Geo? 105 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,160 How do I use terrestrial? That's not what they want. 106 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,440 They want a service and that's what we're providing in the 107 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,920 commercial world. So we've got Nexus Wave, which 108 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,640 is the fastest growing commercial maritime service. 109 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,200 And what that does is it's a mesh network. 110 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,840 So you have a Leo constellation, you have a Geo constellation, 111 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:36,920 you have 4G or 5G LTE for when you're closer to shore. 112 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,440 And it's growing even beyond that at the moment. 113 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,880 And the system that we've got that we offer does all this for 114 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,520 them. So the the captain and the crew 115 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,680 don't need to worry about, I don't need to swap over to this 116 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,320 satellite or this one. Are we getting interference on 117 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,640 GX shall be moved to L band? The system configures it all for 118 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,520 you. So all you've got is a service. 119 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,280 So if you're KA band, very, very high speed Internet and is 120 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:04,360 starting to lose signal level because maybe there's a storm 121 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,440 ahead, then it will already start to boot up the other 122 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,360 satellite constellation. And when it hits a threshold, it 123 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,160 will simply move across. So the only difference would be 124 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,200 speed, but the service is all there. 125 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,600 So having these mesh networks is hugely important for the 126 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,800 maritime industry. I think, I think this type of 127 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,480 mesh architecture maybe is, is new to to many people. 128 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,040 I think about data centres, you know, highly centralized, 129 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,480 proprietary, big buildings full of computers with a lot of 130 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,840 cooling, a lot of power, right? You know, I was recently in 131 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,000 Bologna where I saw one of the mega centres, big AI clusters, 132 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,040 you know, lots of, you know, intense computation. 133 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Whereas if you look at the more modern architectures like it's 134 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,240 highly distributed nodes, to your point, the services of like 135 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,520 the infrastructure is obfuscated from the service. 136 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,240 The customer to an extent doesn't need to know whether 137 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,480 speaking to Jio Leo, because it's, it's transparent as long 138 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,720 as they're getting the service level that that you've applied. 139 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,400 And I and I think that this moves space and defence as well 140 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,600 from these large scale multibillion dollar projects to 141 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,320 hang on. We're going to be putting 20 new 142 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,840 assets into orbit every six months to kind of create scale, 143 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,720 horizontal scale rather than vertical scale. 144 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,960 Did you, is that, is that how you're thinking about this 145 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:22,840 because. It is. 146 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,880 And from my prospective or perspective of safety, let's see 147 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,640 and what's regulated, we are heavily regulated. 148 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,480 So for example, maritime safety has to be done over L band. 149 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,360 Now L band is not susceptible to rain fade storms. 150 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:44,240 It is slightly slower, lower than things like GX, which is 151 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,800 the KA band systems. It is slower, but it's assured 152 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,920 rain fades and storms won't affect it. 153 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,320 So that's the most reliable spectrum to use and that's why 154 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,560 we've seen things like SpaceX and other people coming in 155 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:00,720 saying we want L band. Yes, it's not the fastest, but 156 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,800 it is the most assured network. Is it? 157 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,240 Are these radio waves? Yes. 158 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,920 So the spectrum. Like what would take me through 159 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,480 really basically what spectrum and RF and L band? 160 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,520 What are these things like? How do? 161 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,560 You very simply, it's a range of frequencies. 162 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,040 So the higher frequency goes up, the more susceptible it is to 163 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,680 things like rain fade, but you get higher speeds. 164 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:27,840 So you can start off with let's say L band slower speeds still 165 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,480 you can watch films and browse the Internet and do all your 166 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,960 commercial work on it and it is assured as in that spectrum will 167 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,040 not be affected by rain fade. The further up the spectrum you 168 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,320 go, you get higher speeds, but that comes with the consequence 169 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,600 of rain fade and storms. So we were the first company to 170 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,360 go into this spectrum because we were able to use new waveforms 171 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,760 for the satellites to work from ground to space and we were able 172 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,080 to create multiple land earth stations. 173 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,760 So not only thinking about the vessel having rain fade, but 174 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,480 also where the satellite hits the ground. 175 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,160 The loop of. Communication by having these in 176 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,680 specific areas where we know this doesn't affect, you know, 177 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,120 the storms aren't here during this period of year, but if we 178 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,680 put another one here as a backup. 179 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,240 So in every satellite we've got multiple ground stations and 180 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,240 they a sync together. So as soon as one level goes 181 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,480 down, it switched to the other. So we overcame that problem. 182 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,840 I mean, this is like a global hybrid architecture, yes. 183 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,680 Like in my mind, certainly with AI you're always looking for 184 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:31,000 that one answer. Whereas I think that when it 185 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,040 comes to business critical or human critical services, it's 186 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,280 almost like a tool kit of geolocation, different wave 187 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,280 bands, you know, because you're trying to encounter lots of 188 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:46,280 environmental and physical potential interference to the 189 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,400 service. That's a great point on the 190 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,360 interference. So with the L band, we were the 191 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,080 first, we were created to do maritime safety and very early 192 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,240 on it was seen L band is what needs to be done. 193 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,000 Now L band is very busy. Lots of people are using it now 194 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:06,160 Starlink are using it. So what the ITU have done is 195 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,680 very early on in the GMDSS, they give us this L band spectrum 196 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,840 protected for GMDSS so nobody can interfere with it. 197 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,640 Now commercial L band, it can have interference, it can have 198 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,120 problems. The spectrum that we've got for 199 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,280 L band is protected by the ITU and the IMO. 200 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,880 So no one can encroach on that. They've got to give this 201 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,840 priority over everything, which again comes to the UN 202 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,840 regulations and what we must and mustn't do. 203 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,680 That means that GMDSS safety of life services won't be 204 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:37,640 interfered with by other satellite providers or even 205 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,440 terrestrial signals coming through. 206 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:43,440 So having that protection is, is vital and it gives us something 207 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,400 that commercial satellite providers don't have because we 208 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,840 can also do the Commercial Services on this L band that's 209 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,120 protected. So the spectrums are very 210 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,680 important. So, so you have a dedicate. 211 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:58,320 It's a little bit like when Radio 1 used to be on 97.1 to 212 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,640 97.5 FM and they were always so you tuned to that to get that 213 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,480 music right. Now I'm like, this is. 1990s 214 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,440 now. But, but I think that you're 215 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,800 being given globally A dedicated frequency that everybody, all 216 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,680 maritime vessels know that that is the frequency to get your 217 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:18,520 service. And it can't be interfered, got 218 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,840 it. Or the commercial L ban can be 219 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,640 interfered with. So we have that extra layer of 220 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,080 protection. Now. 221 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,120 One of the things that I'm looking at is we've got to have 222 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,600 in orbit redundancy. It's obviously hugely expensive 223 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,800 to do and take into account when we're talking, you've seen how 224 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,760 expensive all of this is, how many billions of dollars we 225 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:42,320 invest now the GMGSS services free of charge to the seafarers. 226 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,080 We don't charge the seafarers anything to use the GMGSS. 227 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,720 So GMGSS just go. That's the. 228 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Global maritime distress and safety system. 229 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,760 Sorry, that's the, the maritime safety side, the regulated 230 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,120 maritime safety side. So we have this, this protection 231 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,280 in there, all our services distress alerting, maritime 232 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,360 safety information, broadcast distress, messaging, piracy, all 233 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,600 of this is within that that spectrum. 234 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,560 Now we're looking at the, the mesh network, could that be 235 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:16,960 integrated into maritime safety and enhance it even better? 236 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,960 We're limited within our band as to what the IMO allow us to to 237 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,080 do. Now. 238 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,680 We see the IMO regulations on maritime safety, GMDSS, the 239 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:31,360 communication side as being the base level, whereas other 240 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,000 providers see it as the golden kind of star. 241 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,960 We've got GMDSS, we can comply with this. 242 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,320 We've complied with it for 47 years. 243 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,160 That is to me, the baseline. When I saw how it was done, I 244 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,560 was brought in to modernize it. And we've made great advances 245 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,960 with our next generations, but it's not enough. 246 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,560 If we could have, like we said, the mesh type, the networks 247 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:55,720 where we've got KA band, we've got L band, got terrestrial, 248 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,120 we've got all these additional backups, we could really enhance 249 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,480 what the seafarer gets to maritime safety and that's what 250 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,920 we've been working on. So the next generation fleet 251 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,880 safety services would be the most advanced GMDSS. 252 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,800 So the GMDSS will allow you to distress alert, distress 253 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,240 message, medical advice, medical assistant, We say these and 254 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,760 nobody understands, but OK, distress alert, it's a big red 255 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,320 button. What actually happens? 256 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,080 Now in a distress situation which is imminent danger to loss 257 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:31,000 of life or vessel, they can press a dedicated distress 258 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,400 button, a big red button on the terminal, which they should be 259 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,200 trained on how to do. At the bare minimum, you press 260 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,360 and hold it for a minimum of three seconds and that will send 261 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,480 through the satellite network with distressed priority. 262 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,720 So overtakes any other traffic and it will go to one of our 263 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,280 associated search and rescue centres, we call them RCCS, 264 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,080 Rescue coordination centres. We only work and have 265 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,760 partnerships with IMO approved ones, so it goes to them and 266 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,200 then they use the satellite network to send distressed 267 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,800 messages back and coordinate the SOR operation. 268 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,440 They involve other vessels. So this helps Ironli, for 269 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,320 example, is that a partner that would so if somebody was 270 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,000 struggling in the English Channel, did a satellite thing 271 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,160 or maybe even just use their phone, then they would be 272 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,760 deployed through your sister. So the UK does it quite 273 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,200 differently, which you know, the Iron and ally I've got so much 274 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,760 admiration for. I'm an ambassador for what they 275 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,040 they do. I talk a lot about them and I 276 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,760 help them a lot and think they are just the most amazing 277 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,160 people. I gave an award to a young lady 278 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,600 a couple of years ago for what she did within. 279 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,680 It was called the Hero Award. But in the UK, for example, the 280 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,920 distress alert, if they chose, if they want it to go to the UK, 281 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,360 will go to the UK Coast Guard, the UK Search and rescue. 282 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,360 They will then liaise with the actual search and rescue, which 283 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,280 in the UK is a charity, the RNLI. 284 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,200 If you use let's say the the US, the US Coast Guard have their 285 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,640 own assets there and they use the military, the Navy, and this 286 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,800 happens with a lot of countries. So it's my job to make sure they 287 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,840 know how to handle this information. 288 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,400 They're trained on the systems that have developed for them, 289 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,440 not just the basic GMDSS. I've created the new system 290 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,200 called Rescue Net for them, which is an award-winning 291 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,880 system. And again, this is free of 292 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,960 charge for the rescue centres and I've got 73 countries, 73 293 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,480 rescue centres around the world using this. 294 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,560 And to give an example with the distress alerting and SAR 295 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,640 coordination, you're in a vessel, it's sinking or on fire, 296 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,520 you send a distress alert to the rescue centre. 297 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,920 They need to coordinate that operation. 298 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,280 So I sat in a couple of search and rescue exercises and I saw 299 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,240 what they were doing. How do they coordinate with 300 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,080 another rescue centre? How do they coordinate with 301 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,200 vessels in the area? And some people were using VHF 302 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,480 radios, MFHF radios, which are all very noisy. 303 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,720 There was telephone calls going on, emails going on, WhatsApp 304 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,320 messages going on. And straight up, this isn't 305 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,240 coordinated. And this is noisy because of the 306 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,320 language barriers as well. You dub people, sorry, what's 307 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,720 your call sign? Say again, please repeat. 308 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,480 So what I created is distressed chat. 309 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,880 Now this is such a simple concept. 310 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,640 It's like an old fashioned, let's say Skype chat room, chat 311 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,640 room where you can type in and it comes up on everyone's 312 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,920 screen. Now this has got distress 313 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,720 priority. So during this exercise and VHF 314 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,240 went down and I told them, stop, let's now move to distress chat. 315 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,920 So we had Latvia, Lithuania and Sweden and a pretend vessel or a 316 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,680 vessel that was pretending to be in distress. 317 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,440 As soon as they went to distress chat, everything was typed to 318 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,120 multiple rescue centers all in one room to a vessel and another 319 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:40,120 vessel using fleet safety. And they were chatting, typing. 320 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:44,040 That means there's no kind of background noise, no squelch in 321 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,240 the background, no people asking for repetitions because if you 322 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,520 spell your call sign wrong, please retype it, the accent 323 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,800 problem had gone away, or an interesting whole thing came 324 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,040 down. Interesting. 325 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Like I, you know, what you're talking about is actually moving 326 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,520 to a common digital interface, a digital language. 327 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,240 Now, John, what we're saying across many industries is the 328 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,480 first stage of the deployment of AI systems. 329 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,800 And what I would say is agentic systems is moving them to common 330 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,120 digital interfaces. So you know, whether it's you 331 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,840 calling up your call centre for a banking query on, you know, a 332 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,240 fraudulent transaction, you know, you're moving away from 333 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:24,160 voice to chat. And once you're in a chat mode, 334 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,520 agentic AI systems who are trained on every single distress 335 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,400 call, every single piece of knowledge base that you have 336 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,280 could, it could then digitally intervene based on all of the 337 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,880 data available to it and start to advise and potentially guide 338 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,680 and connect. I mean, do you see? 339 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,640 This is the key that I. Mean, do you see agentic AI 340 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,000 starting to take a place in this? 341 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,640 Is is that happening? It's not happening and it is 342 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,160 something that I think is is going to advance within, 343 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,320 especially the search and rescue industry which I think needs a 344 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,000 little bit more attention. That's why I spend a lot of time 345 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:02,000 training these people. So you see a distress coming and 346 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,640 distress can come into rescue centre from somebody whatsapping 347 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,160 you. They can receive it anyway. 348 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,160 The best way is through the GMGSS regulated systems and be 349 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,920 VHF as well in MFHF, Epirbs and Sarts. 350 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,360 But the rescue centres have got so many different assets and 351 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:19,840 they need to know what's happening. 352 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,680 So to have AI as an advisor, and we've seen this before, it will 353 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,400 sit there and listen to what's going on. 354 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,880 So it's imperative that you still have a human SAR Sir of 355 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,200 his search and rescue operator dealing with this and making the 356 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,680 decisions. We shouldn't allow it to be 357 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,720 purely AI, but if they're talking to the vessel, if they 358 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,160 received a distress alert, the AI can assist as in, well, you 359 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,120 do have access, this vessel has already got IMOS RC on board. 360 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:49,720 You can use your distress messaging system or have you 361 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,240 thought about this? You've got so the AI could be a 362 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,960 great assistance to stop the the solar operators being 363 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,600 overwhelmed with how many different systems and services 364 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,360 they have. It could really streamline the 365 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,680 the solar operations. There's always in my view, when 366 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,000 it comes to safety of life, you've always got to have human 367 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,480 intervention there. You can see up here we've got 368 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,360 our network operation centre. It's man 24/7. 369 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,600 They know that anytime me or any of the safety team call them, 370 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,600 everything stops. Human life takes priority over 371 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,800 everything. Now, if the distress alert comes 372 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,200 through there they see it. It's fully automated. 373 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,600 So the distress alert will go through the satellite system and 374 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,480 be routed to the search and rescue alarms go off in the 375 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,520 knock to tell them something's happening. 376 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,120 Let's keep an eye on this. They don't have to do anything. 377 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,360 What they do over and above is they see that that message has 378 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:44,160 been delivered to the the correct rescue centre to go over 379 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,600 and above the regulations. We've got operational procedures 380 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,280 in here where they then call the rescue centre and say is there 381 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,440 anything else we can do? We've seen you've received it, 382 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,080 so we give extra confirmation. I mean, we're dealing with 383 00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:59,120 people. It's easy in this beautiful 384 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:06,800 environment to forget the reality of the fear and loss and 385 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,640 the reality of, you know, losing people's ships. 386 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,320 I mean, whether it's fishing vessels, you know, I mean, it's 387 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:18,920 a messy, messy situation that's must be, I mean, to live through 388 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,680 or not live through must be a terrifying, lonely ordeal. 389 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,840 How like, how are your like? How are you trained to handle 390 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,240 that? Do you think machines could ever 391 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,840 do that? No, no, you need to have the 392 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,480 human passion and empathy in this. 393 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,920 So we are unknown within him or Saturn Vice that we are 394 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,000 extremely passionate about what we do. 395 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,240 This isn't a nine to five job where you come in and you send a 396 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,160 few emails. We live and breathe what we do, 397 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,280 not only with training globally and developing new systems. 398 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,000 You know, I've got an hugely experienced team. 399 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,200 I've got Asher Palmer, who's my technical and operations 400 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,040 manager, a degree in astrophysics. 401 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,280 She's worked with ESA, European Space Agency as a satellite 402 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,720 controller. I've got Tammy New that's just 403 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,720 joining us. She's worked with the UN, the UK 404 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,600 delegation to the IMO and UN. So we've got heavy regulatory 405 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,840 people and technical people and me and all of us are passionate 406 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,320 about safety. When I first came in, and this 407 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,880 is something I've drive through my team, I was called 408 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,720 unexpectedly on a Friday afternoon, Saint John. 409 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,600 There's a German girl on the phone crying, saying nobody will 410 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,520 help her. OK, strange. 411 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,600 I haven't got helicopters, I haven't got boats. 412 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,240 So the PA put the call through to us and she's crying her eyes 413 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,880 out. My dad's lost at sea with my 414 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,640 brother. They're on a yacht now, 415 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,520 remembering yachts are exempt from GMDSS, they don't have to 416 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,880 carry, which is ridiculous. And fishers and fishing boats as 417 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,520 well. So I thought, well, OK, what, 418 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,440 what, what can I do? Have you called the rescue 419 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,720 centre? And she thought she'd called 420 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,200 this specific rescue centre and they'd said, well, we, where is 421 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,280 he? We don't know. 422 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,920 But it's a big ocean out there. We haven't received a distress 423 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,080 alert. We can't do anything and she for 424 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,760 two days kept phoning them saying please help, no we he 425 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,480 should have been here. He hasn't arrived, we don't know 426 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,440 where they are and they basically said nothing we can 427 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,320 do. Somehow she found out he'd had a 428 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,200 satellite phone and contacted found me on the Internet, 429 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,760 contacted me. Best thing she she could have 430 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:28,920 done should have happened sooner. 431 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,840 They conducted a sore operation. I was still online constantly 432 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,120 for two days seeing what else we could do. 433 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,760 The network operation put a ping on the phone. 434 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,720 So as soon as if they did put the antenna back up, it would 435 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,560 have told us where they are. I helped the search and rescue. 436 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,600 We sent out broadcasts to vessels in the area saying keep 437 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,120 a sharp lookout. I'd seen through our broadcast 438 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,560 has been a storm in the area. So you can imagine I'd not long 439 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,480 been in this position. And I was like, this is 440 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,440 something, something needs to be done here. 441 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,080 But you're starting to piece together contextually special 442 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,680 information. You're running a process in your 443 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,240 own mind here, John. This is something that you hold 444 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,880 within your own mind base and experience or knowledge. 445 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,360 You're running through a sequential process to kind of 446 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,800 narrow down. And that's what what led to how 447 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,640 we do things now on the Sunday morning I got a telephone call 448 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,440 saying we found their life raft. Unfortunately they're both dead 449 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:25,200 inside now that to me we found out they've been died less than 450 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,480 12 hours when no found. So if that rescue centre had 451 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,000 contacted me and said, John, this girl's phoning me, she's 452 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,800 only got mobile phone number or satellite phone number, anything 453 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,680 you can do, we would have saved them. 454 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,280 Now that hit me like a ton of bricks. 455 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,880 You know, I've been in the in the military for 13 years. 456 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,040 I've seen horrific things, but this was something that really 457 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,320 resonated with me as a person. What can I do as part of this 458 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,840 magnificent company? What can I do to stop this type 459 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,440 of thing happening again, not only with GMDSS that's regulated 460 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,160 for the big ships, but what can I do for the fishing and the 461 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,120 yachts? So these processes I started to 462 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,200 to log down and see how we could make things better. 463 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,760 One of the first things was I need to develop a system for the 464 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,440 rescue centres and I need to know who they are and more 465 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,920 importantly they need to know who I am and my team. 466 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,720 So I travelled the world going to rescue centres, introducing 467 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,240 myself, training them and at every point I made it clear if 468 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,880 everything else fails, all your systems, you can't get in touch 469 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,720 with them, something's gone wrong, you don't know what to 470 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,320 do, Don't close the case before you call me or one of my safety 471 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,200 team. We will always do whatever we 472 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,040 can. This has paid dividends. 473 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960 We've saved so many lives because of this process, and 474 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,280 this is documented and the NOC and the SEC know, so most of the 475 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,280 time they call us direct and nine times out of 10 it's in the 476 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,360 middle of the night. John, give me, give me an idea 477 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,480 of scale of how many calls you get, how many people you've 478 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,680 saved because. We don't know how many people we 479 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,640 save because even with the Solas GMDSS, the rescue centres don't 480 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,320 have to tell us if it's successful or not. 481 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,600 We're basically seen as the the conduit with the pipeline this 482 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,680 goes through. We're not search and rescue, but 483 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,920 we've got a wealth of information and knowledge and 484 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,120 other technical advances that we can use. 485 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,840 Now. An example I've used a few times 486 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,640 and it's it still gives me goose pimples. 487 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,320 This is after we've done years and years of training with 488 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,400 rescue centers, getting them to contact us to stop that type of 489 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,720 incident. We got a telephone call and 490 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,560 strangely enough, it was from the same rescue centre that that 491 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,000 young girl had called. They said, John, we've had a 492 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,280 telephone call and then it was cut off. 493 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,040 So what happened is in the Southern Ocean, there was a 494 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,520 yacht that was sinking at night at a satellite phone called the 495 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,000 rescue centre, said we're sinking and going down, we need 496 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,920 help. Rescue centre, where are you? 497 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,400 We don't know the Southern Ocean that we need your coordinates, 498 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,600 We don't know. And then the phone gone. 499 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,920 So they're sitting there on this yacht at night in a storm 500 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,960 sinking, knowing nobody's coming for them. 501 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,240 Can you imagine that feeling You'd get the sickening? 502 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,840 I've got a matter of hours before I'm dead. 503 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,800 The rescue centre did exactly what we told them to do. 504 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,880 They called us and said, John, somebody's called us. 505 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,800 They say they're sinking. The phone went dead. 506 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,800 We don't know where they are. Give me that phone number now. 507 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,080 Again, the process came into play. 508 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,840 Who do we call? NOC. 509 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,840 Here's the number. Can you tell me where it is? 510 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,680 I saw it was on 20 minutes ago. Yeah. 511 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,280 OK. Give me that position. 512 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,080 We then use drift modelling systems. 513 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,280 I spoke to the rescue centres. Here they are. 514 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,440 Get vessels in the area. Send this broadcast out. 515 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,640 Unfortunately they couldn't, they hadn't used that system for 516 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,920 a while. So I helped them when we 517 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,760 broadcast to 600 miles around that telephones position sat 518 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,800 there and for me that's when the adrenaline was going without 519 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,000 banner now. So we're going to get these. 520 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,680 What's going to happen? Remembering this is non GM DSS, 521 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,080 this is non regulated, nothing to do with us really, but it's 522 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,880 people's lives on there. So we worked and we kept trying 523 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,480 to ping it and we were contacting other vessels in the 524 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,280 area and this isn't our job and we're not undated to do this. 525 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,880 I then got a telephone call. It was the next day a vessel 526 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,360 binoculars out and the night vision saw a twinkle diverted. 527 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,280 They managed to save and when I got this call I was in tears. 528 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,720 They saved 2 male adults, a female adult, a child and a dog. 529 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,840 It was the dog and the child. They go, if you're crazy enough 530 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,560 to go out picking plastic from the ocean without any proper 531 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,160 safety equipment on board, but you take a child and a dog with 532 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,880 you, that's unacceptable. But we, because of our 533 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,560 intervention, managed to get them back to South America 534 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,040 safely. And that's just one of many 535 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,760 examples that we've got of how we go over and above what we're 536 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,720 supposed to do. Now we believe or I believe 537 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,400 every satellite company and there's only two of us, that 538 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,800 anybody that's doing safety of life services that should see 539 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,320 the regulatory requirements as the minimum standard, not the 540 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,840 high gold standard. We can do so much more. 541 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,560 So yes, we've got the base standard, the GMDSS, but we also 542 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840 do things for non regulated vessels. 543 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,080 We go over and above because we're passionate that one 544 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,680 incident with that telephone call, we've changed how things 545 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,360 are done on that phone. Now there's an SOS button on 546 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,800 that phone that's been implemented. 547 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,720 We've changed procedures globally within rescue centres. 548 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,640 So for me, my job satisfaction is I get up every morning 549 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,880 knowing 1.9 million seafarers rely on my team to get things 550 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,960 right, to make sure that our networks are doing what they 551 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,320 should do to save people's lives. 552 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,360 But there's obviously a body of water where 50% of the world's 553 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,920 oil travels through. We know that our own gas prices 554 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,240 in the UK, 40% of our electricity is produced from 555 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,920 gas. A lot of that comes from Qatar 556 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,320 through this body of water. The straight of foremost, you 557 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,280 know, your services, yes, you're saving lives of yachts, but you 558 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,000 know there are huge amounts of merchant and billions, trillions 559 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,680 of dollars of global assets and resources travelling through 560 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,520 these pinch points. Are you involved in some of the 561 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,760 tensions there or do you step back when it's a war zone? 562 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,880 I I don't know who's no how does that. 563 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,440 Work No, in Mikey, there's no geopolitics within safety of 564 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,320 life at sea and even within the the maritime industry, you know, 565 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,760 going to the regulations, no matter what country or what flag 566 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,920 your vessel is, if someone asks for help, you should be able to 567 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,400 go and save them. That's the should be the same 568 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,640 within the the wider geopolitics. 569 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,120 Vessels shouldn't be targeted. Over 95% of what we have here in 570 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,600 this room and in your house is transported through the maritime 571 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,120 industry. It's the lifeline of the world. 572 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,080 So when we see things like this happening upstairs in our NOC, 573 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,040 we can monitor special areas. We can make sure that there's 574 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,560 additional satellite capacity for that area. 575 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,800 So our satellites aren't necessarily static. 576 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,120 We can move bandwidth and capacity for that area. 577 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,160 For me personally, I'm monitoring any distressed 578 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,360 communications that come from that area because we know, but 579 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,000 how are you going to get search and rescue there? 580 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,880 Is there any other things that we can do? 581 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,200 So we monitor the safety team, the the distress communications 582 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,920 there, the broadcast, which is the most important part of 583 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280 maritime safety in my view, because it's the preventative 584 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,880 side. We give you an example of some 585 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,560 of the additional problems which really isn't kind of made widely 586 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,840 known. We know that area has got 587 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,120 problems with geopolitics. There's a war going on. 588 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,280 Vessels are being targeted. Now, again, look at that. 589 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,320 Vessels are being targeted. We don't think about the humans 590 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,600 that on board, not the seafarers, the men and women 591 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,960 that work in there doing their job like we're trying to do, but 592 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360 they're doing it in such a stressful environment. 593 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,240 Add on to that, piracy. Piracy is a huge problem. 594 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,040 We're not talking Captain Jack Sparrow drinking a bottle of rum 595 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,200 here. These are professional pirates 596 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,320 that's big within that area and even if vessels are diverted 597 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,080 because they can't go into that area, they're diverted into high 598 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,400 risk areas for piracy. We do a lot with with piracy and 599 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,680 it's something that personally breaks my heart when I see some 600 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,440 of the things that go on, the deaths that go on. 601 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,800 I've been called over a weekend not so long ago and next thing 602 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,640 the phone rang and it wasn't from here. 603 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,040 It was a security company that I've got relations with to try 604 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,800 and help them. And they said we've, we've got a 605 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,080 captain on board. He's under a piracy attack. 606 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,880 He's trying to get the crew into the the Citadel. 607 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,520 We want some of your expertise. Can you join the call? 608 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480 So they put me on a group call and you could hear the captain 609 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,040 screaming and shouting, trying to get the crew in. 610 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,960 And then you could hear the gunshots, you could hear the 611 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,720 seafores being executed. Now that sets the adrenaline 612 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,680 running and what can we do? What can we, there's an 613 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,640 opportunity here, What can we do more? 614 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,160 We see these type of things and we're able to help different 615 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,560 people to try and overcome them. Now leading all into this is 616 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,240 something that my team, we are working on and going into what 617 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,360 we said with director device and Leo networks, SOLAS, vessels 618 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,520 that are safe through the GMDSS, yachting and things aren't as 619 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,360 much but we're trying to improve that but bring all of this 620 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,400 together. If you're a seafarer, how are 621 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,880 you dealing with that? What stresses have you got? 622 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,280 Can you imagine sitting in your office thinking we could get 623 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,680 blown up at any minute, we could have a piracy attack at any 624 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,200 minute? What happens with abuse on board 625 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,880 vessels? If you're on a vessel and you're 626 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,480 travelling for three months and you get attacked or abused from 627 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,680 your own people that are working on the vessel, you've got to sit 628 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,080 and look at them every single day. 629 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,440 What welfare services are there now? 630 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,960 There are some amazing crew welfare services. 631 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,840 There's charities that do this. But again, let's bring modern 632 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,240 technology into this that isn't so much regulated and try and do 633 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,640 better things. So I'm working on welfare 634 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,760 services through our satellite network that can be improved. 635 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,200 We already offer crew welfare services through our hotspot. 636 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,400 So any point there's on the the landing page for where the crew 637 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,760 use our Internet services for welfare. 638 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,239 They can click and connect with a counsellor. 639 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,480 If they're going through a mental health crisis, they can 640 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,520 get support there. Now that's good, but it's not 641 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,600 the best if you want to go and use the the devices, you know, 642 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,840 some of the medical advice, medical assistant, you may need 643 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,719 to go to the bridge where the equipment is. 644 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,480 You may have to use their Internet connection and there 645 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,320 may be some suspicion there. Now if I can get welfare on 646 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,600 direct device through the ViaSat network that can have access to 647 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,440 what's in the next port, is the spiritual guidance I can get 648 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,440 there? Is there a priest? 649 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,120 Is there a rabbi? Can I get that support there? 650 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,920 Is there an Internet cafe or is there something else, another 651 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,760 way we can bring this all into one application that I'm already 652 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,440 developing and it will also will. 653 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,520 I'm in mental health crisis. Can I speak with a counsellor? 654 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,280 We already partnership with these counsellors, professional 655 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,760 people that are available 24/7 and understand the stresses of 656 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,800 the maritime industry. So if I bring in all these 657 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,720 together with modern technology, I'm hoping not just to keep the 658 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,760 seafarers safe when the distress happens, but also their mental 659 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,720 health and well-being for support. 660 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,560 It's a, it's amazing, it's an amazing organization. 661 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,880 You're an amazing individual. What you're doing is it's awe 662 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,880 inspiring. And I, and I think that as we've 663 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,640 talked, it's a little bit less about the technology and more 664 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,840 about the humanity, you know, technology, you know, when, when 665 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,040 we originally started and we, we look around at the cutting edge 666 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,200 stuff you have here, you're, you're embracing, you know, 667 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,440 hybrid orbital positioning, you're modernizing in parallel 668 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,680 to your existing assets, But the services you're providing are 669 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,520 also getting wider and deeper because you have a domain 670 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,000 understanding of the reality of humans at sea. 671 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,360 You know, I think that it's a very complex, a very complex 672 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,400 situation. You know, you're injured. 673 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,920 How do you like, how do you yourself cope with the pressure 674 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,680 of the role? It is difficult, it is a 675 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,680 struggle. You deal with pressures from the 676 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,200 regulatory side. Having all this pressure on you 677 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:21,080 is is difficult. We need to comply with the 678 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,440 regulations, we need to develop new services. 679 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,200 We see life and death situations happening even though we're not 680 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,040 on helicopters and speed boats to go out and protect them. 681 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:34,200 We have designed our support that we can go that extra step 682 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,240 and it does put stress on you and not just on me on on my team 683 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,880 as well. So we monitor that very 684 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,040 carefully. I've got a very good close 685 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,360 relationship with my team. We work very well together and 686 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,560 we monitor each other. So it can't just be right. 687 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,480 Are you guys OK? We've got to have more support 688 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,840 from that. We travel a lot so there are 689 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,560 things in place. We have full support with mental 690 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,840 health and if people are are too stressed, as you can see, we've 691 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,920 even got a relaxation and meditation room in here. 692 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,440 I'm going to need that after this conversation. 693 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,680 It is good and things like if you've got a very difficult 694 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,040 conversation or you've just been involved in a SAR operation, you 695 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,600 can't just go and sit back at your desk. 696 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,240 You need to be able to decompress and having things 697 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,840 like the advice that we've got the the relaxation and 698 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,240 meditation room, you can lie down, close the curtains, soft 699 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,920 music and take time to recenter yourself. 700 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,240 Reflect on what lessons learned, what good you've done, what you 701 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,840 can do better. Most importantly, just bring 702 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,240 yourself back down and make sure you're OK. 703 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,840 We always know that there's people within the organization 704 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,880 that we can talk to if we need to. 705 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,800 Me personally, I find it difficult to turn off after 706 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,600 work, especially when you're getting called in the middle of 707 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,000 the night. At the same time, I love that I 708 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,120 know I'm making a difference to the maritime industry and humans 709 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,640 that will never know what we've done. 710 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,440 They'll never meet us, never see us, but I know we've made a 711 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,720 difference. So I do the same with my team. 712 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,520 I try and let them know you, you've got to have a breakout, 713 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,840 You've got to have a way of stopping yourself thinking about 714 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,480 all of this. So mental health and well-being 715 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,000 within not just my team but the wider organization is, is 716 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,720 something that's really well looked after. 717 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,240 I I usually thank you for sharing. 718 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,240 I, I usually close out these discussions by being slightly 719 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,640 provocative about whether technological development will 720 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,080 lead humanity to utopia or dystopia. 721 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,880 And I think that's because, you know, with AI specifically, 722 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,880 there's a lot of blurring of this social media and digital 723 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,640 presence and identity and agency with AI. 724 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,080 And it's a very complicated thing for this close out. 725 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,800 For me. It's it's no doubt that the 726 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,080 technology is being applied in a very positive way. 727 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,680 Like there's no doubt about that. 728 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,920 How do you think humans usage of orbital assets in space? 729 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,840 Will it will evolve over the next 5 to 10 years? 730 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,600 We know right, Orbit is congested, it's multi use, 731 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,240 there's defence applications, there's, you know, there's 732 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:06,400 almost a mirror of socio economic tensions on on earth in 733 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,080 orbit. You know, we're seeing business 734 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,680 critical services, communication services, emergency services, 735 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:19,240 all starting to rely on highly available real estate in orbit. 736 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,080 Like, you know, I, I've, I've spoke to, I was in a, in a 737 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,240 government embassy just two weeks ago and they were talking 738 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:30,200 about their battle plan is land, sea, air, space and digital. 739 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,840 And these three are well understood by most people 740 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,480 digitally starting to be understood. 741 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:41,720 Space is an emerging, you know, platform for, you know, critical 742 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:45,000 services, but also potentially warfare and things that maybe 743 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,480 aren't as pretty as, you know, communication and Internet for 744 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,120 everyone. So, so I guess that my, my real 745 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,760 question is to you as somebody who is a deep domain explored 746 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,960 applying this infrastructure in positive ways, how you know, how 747 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,320 do you see that real estate evolving over the coming years? 748 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,360 Hugely. We're in a satellite technology 749 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,160 boom at the moment. You know, it's never been moving 750 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,200 faster, which has got pros and cons. 751 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,680 Great when there's this type of boom and great investment into 752 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,000 the space and satellite industry. 753 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,360 Technology will grow, capabilities will grow the the 754 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,520 access to services, the Internet and voice communications within 755 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,560 third world countries and places where they're they haven't got 756 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,040 terrestrial is going to be absolutely fantastic. 757 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:35,840 However, there are pitfalls. It's moving too fast to be 758 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,240 regulated and this is both within, you know, in ViaSat and 759 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,560 in Mossat. We do land C and we do 760 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,120 government. It's a huge company. 761 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,720 Safety is where it started from and our main kind of priority 762 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,600 within my team anyway. But we see the the benefits are 763 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,280 going to be great. But is it moving too fast? 764 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,480 Do we need some regulations on this? 765 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,960 With any type of digital connection, you've got 766 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,760 cybersecurity, which is huge. Now we've got, I haven't taken 767 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,160 you in to see it, but we've got a whole division dedicated to 768 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,080 cybersecurity. Satellite companies and 769 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,560 satellites themselves are constantly bombarded with 770 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,920 attacks every second, attacks coming in. 771 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,320 And this isn't just bias. Every satellite company has 772 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,200 this. Now we saw, because we've been 773 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,200 going for, you know, over 47 years, we saw this from the very 774 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,480 beginning and we started to be a step of it, a step ahead. 775 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,520 We also saw that we can help with other people, other 776 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,520 companies that are doing this. So our cyber division is 777 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,840 actually fantastic. It's safeguarding the 778 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,040 satellites, the ground infrastructure and the services 779 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,640 that we've, we've got. We also provide cybersecurity 780 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,760 for vessels and, and other assets. 781 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,880 But in the wider market, how's that going to affect when we 782 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,680 look at government and satellite usage used for, for warfare, 783 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,960 this is growing, but how are we going to regulate this? 784 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,000 The ITU do a fantastic job of regulating the spectrum usage, 785 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,560 Who gets what spectrum, what it's used for. 786 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,320 Safety is protected. But what about how that's going 787 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,760 to advance? Do we need to move faster on the 788 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,480 regulatory side as the industry is moving at the moment? 789 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,000 The industry and it always has and always will, will move 790 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,360 faster than regulatory can catch up the implementation of, of AI. 791 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,440 You know, you, you touched on that some of the things you see 792 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,720 on social media now are so difficult to understand. 793 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,840 Is that real? Isn't it real? 794 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,400 And this to me personally, not within my job, is a great 795 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,560 concern. You know, I've, I've got two 796 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,200 children and five grandchildren. My grandchildren are growing up 797 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,240 now using tablets and being on their phones. 798 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:47,560 And we try and get them off as much. 799 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,080 But how do they know what is real and what isn't real? 800 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,640 The protection of these youngsters and adults to know 801 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,000 what's real, what isn't. The warfares in the future to 802 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,040 make will be one through cyber, will be through social media. 803 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,080 If you can have a president or a Prime Minister saying something 804 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,560 on social media that is completely false, that can 805 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,200 change millions of people's perceptions of what's happening. 806 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,000 So which social media and digital access do you listen to? 807 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,080 If you listen to the news and get the information from there, 808 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,480 or like most people, youngsters do now, they get their 809 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,000 information and intelligence from social media. 810 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,400 That's where the technology advance. 811 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,240 I think is is dangerous. We need to be able to know what 812 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:38,600 is real, what isn't real, what are our children and young 813 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,680 adults listening to and getting their information. 814 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,720 Because you will get, you know, even as a youngster, you'll get 815 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,360 information about how have you seen this president or this 816 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,360 Prime Minister has just said this and it'll go viral, but 817 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,600 it'll be fake, but it will stay in their minds. 818 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,920 So I do believe regulatory has to catch up and maybe be a 819 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,360 little bit faster than it is to the emerging technologies that 820 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,440 we've got. And as always with my job for 821 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:12,960 safeguarding people even outside the maritime industry, computer 822 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:13,560 game.