What's up everybody, Welcome back to the Crown Cinema
Podcast. In this episode, we are breaking
down. And literally just watched.
Troy, the John Wick of the Greek world.
Achilles. The interesting comparison
that's that's who you're going with.
He fucking drops bodies. I got yeah, yeah.
OK. I can't believe you already tied
John Wick to. Achilles, I've tied John Wick in
like so many times in the recent episode.
From the jump to That's wild. He is though.
That's crazy. Everybody like all the great
ones are just like, oh dude, that reminds me of John Wick.
That's that's how your brain. Works.
Anybody who just drops bodies is John Wick.
You kill one person, you know, that's kind of like John Wick.
Oh that's insane dude. Troy is an interesting film to
me because I think it is loved by so many people, but it I I
also just feel like not many people like talk about it.
Well, I know it kind of got mixed reviews when it first came
out. It's kind of like, OK.
What? I mean, look, it's a really good
movie and it's really badass. There's some great scenes with
Brad Pitt fighting and everything.
The battles are badass. There are so many good scenes in
this movie. The one thing that's not that
great, though, is the love story between Brad Pitt and whatever
her name is. You don't think so?
It's just out of nowhere. Like there's no really, it's
just they just love each other out of nowhere.
I think it's a cool pool. I think it's something that
Achilles is definitely capable of A. 100%, yeah.
I mean a. Little stretch for her to fall
in love with Achilles Brad Pitt. I think it's like, no, I, I, is
that what people complain about? Like I don't.
Know people do, but I do. I just feel cheap like it's just
why does he stick up for the first time?
There's no real reason. Why does he like tell the guys?
Like sees that this woman like has fight in her.
I guess she's. Got like, you know, she's not
like probably the other women that he's conquered, who, you
know, are probably just scared and, you know, they're OK with
just like being slaves or maybe not being OK.
But she puts up a real fight and she, like, stands firm in what
she believes in, even though he tells her like, I've seen the
gods. I know the gods.
His mom's a God, the goddess. Yeah, but I mean, obviously
she's good looking too, right? You know, So there's that, but.
Well, to. Me.
It's no, I, I don't know. I've never thought it was corny,
but she like kind of brings him back down to earth, makes him
not like a a bad human being. Right, because yeah, he's super
cocky. He's not only cocky, but like,
he doesn't care about people. He doesn't really.
He only cares about glory. Yeah.
He doesn't care about killing people.
And then whenever somebody close to him dies, like, obviously,
he's seeking revenge, but at this point, he doesn't really
have much respect for mankind. And so like, she's the one that
kind of like, I think starts probing him to get him to like,
look, Hector killed your cousin. And obviously the king of Troy,
like, him showing up does that to him, too.
But I think, like, I think if he hadn't fallen in love with her,
he wouldn't have taken what the king said so seriously.
But because it was like kind of already like being brought to
his attention that he needs to like, have more respect for
killing people. That's why he was like, you're
right, Like your son was a good guy.
Yeah. I mean, he was my toughest fight
ever. Yeah.
Toughest fight, literally respected by both sides like an
honourable man. Everybody knows that he was like
incorruptible. So just I think she is necessary
to like most of the movie because he's kind of a he's a
demigod, right? It's Akilah's things.
He's blessed, I think he's not. It's not a demigod.
He's blessed by the gods. The story with Achilles is that.
He's dropped in the river. Yeah, his mom or somebody, I
don't know, drops him in this river where the gods blessed it,
where you become immortal, basically.
But she grabbed him by the ankles when she dipped him in.
And so his ankle and his Achilles is the only part that
wasn't touched by the water. So that's where his weak spot
is. Yeah, so there's that.
But like, through pretty much most of the movie, I, I think
more towards the end, though, you start singing differently.
But most of the movie he's like kind of playing to the God side
of himself, you know, he's very, like you said, very cocky.
He has No Fear of going to battle.
He doesn't even care for his men that much.
Right. Whenever they stormed the beach
for the first time and he goes first.
He didn't have to do that. Yeah.
You know, But he wants the glory.
Yeah, but he knows he's not going to die.
Yeah, but he also, like, he doesn't really care for his men.
Who literally love him they will do they will follow him and do
anything. Greatest warrior.
Yeah. And so as he starts falling for
this human, she starts like showing him like, you have to
like, understand, like, like if the gods are so jealous of us,
like you should take life a little bit more serious then.
No I get her point, it's just he falls and left so quick not for
really any reason. One could say it's because he
knows he's going to die on this battlefield.
So this is like the most mortal moment he's ever had because
somebody, his mother confirmed like you go, you're dying.
If you go to Troy, you will never come home.
But your glory walks hand in hand with your doom.
You'll you'll, your name will rain and echo for eternity.
You know, you'll have the glory you want, but like you're not
going to make it back. So whenever she says that to
him, he immediately takes that and he's like, OK, well.
I got to get it in before I die. Yeah, may as well fall in love.
You know, he probably just hasn't cared to because he's
like, love is for men and then die.
Yeah. So I think, I think there's I
think it could be a reason. Yeah, I don't.
I mean, I just, it's just, I just feel like it goes by really
quickly. But I mean it makes sense.
The whole thing, I mean the epic, I I feel like the war
itself takes months, if not years.
Like both the actual film, Yeah, they turned it to like.
A few days, yeah, I think it's weeks.
Obviously 12 days passed. It's having they had a 12 day
break. It's just, yeah, days of this
war. Yeah.
They they aren't even sure if the Trojan War actually
happened. Yeah, like, maybe, I don't know.
Well, some people didn't even think that Troy existed.
Some people don't think Troy ever existed.
Really. But when they so right before
this movie, when the art, the art directors were building out
the set, they wanted it to be this grand giant set because
it's such an epic story. So they wanted the set to be
massive. They wanted Troy to be this
giant spectacle, the Trojan wall, you know, the city, nobody
could ever attack. So it had to be huge.
But before they made the movie, what they think was the city of
Troy was recently discovered and it was actually a lot smaller
than the tails to say it was. And so they were.
So they were like, damn. But they're like fuck it.
So they use a bunch of different architecture and things from
surrounding areas to build what we see in Troy and the set.
Bro when you look at like the behind the scenes footage it is
massive. Like they built Troy.
Oh brother, I mean watching this movie, like you can tell there's
no green screening. There's a few green screens that
show like the extending part of the city, but when they're in
the middle of the city, that's what they built.
That's the set. And generally when you build a
set like that, you build it good enough to where it looks good on
camera. Yeah.
But everybody on set was saying, I mean, when you walk around the
city of Troy for this movie set, you can go to the wall and it
looks like it's, yeah, stone and brick, even though it's not.
They made it look like it, but they put in detail into every
single thing. So it just looks real.
Yeah. Because they really wanted that
moment when Helen comes to Troy for the first time to have.
What's the actress's name? Diane Kruger.
Yeah, Diane Kruger, they wanted her to be able to get into like,
the awe of the city, so you can see it on her face because when
you go into the set, it's like, wow, this actually is insane.
Yeah, which that scene cracks me up because I just, I don't know,
like can't believe the civilians be like, yeah, like we're so
fucked. There's the woman that's going
to get all this killed. The war fought over a single
woman. Yeah, it is crazy that like just
seeing this movie, it's, I don't even mean to say this in a bad
way, but it is like no, like I love this movie, but watching it
today, starting to look a little old.
I don't really I don't even know how to really.
There's some. CGI, you notice.
There No, there's just like I think the way it's shot, it kind
of looks like a sixties 70s like just kind of the wide like I'm
thinking Planet of the Apes. Some of those shots like just I
don't even like. Yeah, like the they call those
older movies swords and sandals with those like gladiator type
movies or Roman Empire Greek with the shot back in the day.
Yeah. There's a lot of the same aspect
now. There's a lot of modern shots,
too. I think all the fight sequences,
like choreography like that makes it obviously, like way
more modern. Yeah.
I love the shot of the like the fireballs.
Yeah. Going down the beach.
I could watch that for hours. Yeah.
That was great. Whenever the king of Troy, like
looks down on the city of Troy burning.
Yeah, that's that's a shot right there.
Well. When Achilles gets introduced
for the first time, fighting the biggest man you ever see on
screen in this movie. Yeah, it is a little euro step
neck and the knife. I mean knife, knife in the neck.
Knife in the neck. Neck and the knife, yeah, but
that shots insane slow MO. Just yeah.
I mean insane introduction to a character.
I can't. So you were telling me I'd never
heard this before, but you were telling me that Brad Pitt, like,
isn't happy with how this turned out.
He didn't like he didn't choose to do this movie.
He was forced to do it because he backed out of a movie that he
was supposed to be in. I forget who, I forget what
movie it was and who took his place.
But so he owed a movie to the studios and he said, OK, fine,
I'll do Troy. That's why he's did Troy.
But he felt like it was too commercial.
He thought he could ETS mentioned he couldn't get out of
the center of the frame. He's like working with David
Fincher, you know, he's so technical on the camera, like
where the characters are to tell emotion.
But he said in this movie, every shot felt like he's the hero,
which is what it is. I mean, he is this insane hero.
So that's a criticism that he has.
But in this story, Achilles is this man of love men.
It's like every shot of him should be he's the hero because
he is this insane warrior. But in like he said he kind of
like he he was on an interview. Yeah.
He sitting down with Charlie Rose on his interview show and
he was saying how they played a scene with him and he's like,
yeah, I was kind of flat in that scene.
Like I wasn't super invested in the story again, because he what
he was saying before. And so he kind of felt like he
was flat in a lot of the performances.
He didn't give it his all. He kind of wished he could go
back and redo it because he just wasn't that happy on set because
he wasn't ecstatic about the stories.
Again, he said he thought it felt commercial wasn't like this
dramatic piece and actually doing this movie and the way he
felt about it created his career after this, that's when he
decided to do more unique stories like doing Inglourious
Basterds, doing Benjamin Button, doing a bunch of these different
movies like that because. He did minor character in The
Big Short. Big short, right?
He wanted to do these better unique original type stories
instead of doing these big commercial blockbusters that
need to make money. Interesting.
I mean, it's just. Or or maybe designed to make
money. Yeah.
Because, I mean, it's an epic. They expect it's Troy, it's got
Brad Pitt in it. You expect it to be this giant
blockbuster movie. That's funny that he's talking
about the flatness like in his acting, but it kind of works for
Achilles. Because like, he just.
He doesn't care about anything except for just winning battles.
Yeah, that's just so weird to me to, like, hear because, like,
Brad Pitt has done good in picking his movies.
Like, I think that's why the longevity of his career has
lasted as long as it has because like, he picks roles that are
not like blockbuster by any means, I don't think I mean.
They become blockbuster because you have Brad Pitt.
Sure. But like, I am trying to think
here like we go back to like the ones that we know.
You know, you, you take it back to the 90s like he did.
Legends of the Fall. Yeah.
Then we think Fight Club 7, Like those are obvious.
Yep. He was in 12 Angry Monkeys.
I think it's called 12 Angry Monkeys.
I think so too. I've seen it one time.
Very like kind of artistic film and like he plays a very whacked
out, not Brad Pitt. Snatcher.
Yeah, Snatch, exactly. But then like, yeah, dude, like
you have to you kind of got to give Hollywood theirs too.
I don't think there's anything regrettable about Troy.
Now that's because I like the movie.
Like I think the performances are very well done.
I think the action, like the action shots, the choreography,
like exceptional. I think about like a lot of the,
the one-on-one scenes, the dialogue, like like I think
it's, I think there's a good movie and then.
I guess he. Also is doing like the oceans
film. Yeah, but those aren't like
cinematic, like art house pieces.
They're. Just fun, fun movies.
Yeah, sometimes it's OK to do fun movies, but.
For whatever reason, he didn't. He didn't enjoy this movie.
He wasn't very happy with it. Somebody.
Somebody made him mad on set. He.
Said it wasn't to the director's fault.
Like it's not a big like he just didn't.
He thought the story was too much of A generic drama piece
about this bad ass character. But it works.
The movie works. I don't think it is a bad watch
or a lesser watch. I think it's insane and awesome.
It's a great movie. It's.
Such a good movie. Also he's the Co founder of Plan
B production. The.
The birth, yeah. The birth control?
No. He's the Co founder of Plan B
shooting, right? Is that what it's called?
I don't know let. Me.
Look it up anyways, they were a part of this movie, right?
Brad Pitt, like made some money. He.
Wanted to make his money. Yeah, he's dude, Brad Pitt, not
only good at like acting, obviously very good at picking
movies to produce. He's been on some I I saw a list
like a few weeks ago of like movies that he's produced that
like I, I didn't know. I was like, it's not just, you
know, what you do on screen, like behind the scenes.
Brad Pitt is very, very genius. He's attaching his name to some
blockbusters. Yeah, for sure.
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most expensive rated R movie of all time.
The second most highest above that is Deadpool and Wolverine,
$444 million budget. This one adjusted for inflation,
like back in the day it was $185 million and today it's $301
million if you adjust for inflation did.
You say Troy's rated R. Yep.
Is Troy rated R? It's got the hell of violence.
I know but like it's rated R like so is Dune rated R.
In fact, they cut like I think it is.
I think Dune's rated R. No way.
But I don't know actually, I would assume it is.
It's funny, like you can get away with it in Star Wars when
it's lightsabers, but once they actually have real human.
Weapons One's PG13 and where's she at?
Dean Barty's PG13, but again, that's the 2000.
The ratings kind of seem like they get a little bit more
lenient as time goes on. I'm, no, I'm I'm truly shocked
that Troy was rated R is rated R because like I get it, like
violence wise, but like language is fine.
Like there's no, yeah, there's no nudity.
Like there's some mild sex scenes.
They had a. Cut like there's a director's
cut that's well over 3 hours. This movie is Damien three hours
and the other movie is like 3 1/2.
The director's cut where they had to cut a lot of scenes where
they had nudity that they had to remove, a lot more violence they
had to remove. I was sure to watch that one,
yeah. Because they were fighting an NC
17 rating. Although you know what I will
say? The scene where Hector kills his
cousin. Right, that ain't no PG13.
That that one is brutal. You like that's one of those
from like I dude, like we can we could actually stop this.
We. Can cut cut away please?
Shout out to to that actor. I I don't know his name, but he
like just him like because throughout the whole movie, he
just looks so much like a young Achilles, but he doesn't look
like a boy. He looks like a guy that's about
to be really like, be a man. You know he's been trained by
Achilles. I know and like the way he's
moving and stuff, but then when he's dying, bro, I don't know
what it is for me personally. He turns into like a little kid.
Yeah. And you're like, oh.
That's why Hector's like, I killed a boy and he was way too
young. Yeah, like I it was bad.
Like, dude. And like, he's literally just
sitting there coughing like the blood.
He clearly doesn't want to die. He's horrified.
Yeah. Which is like the worst thing
you could see for like 1 of the. Achilles glory.
He dressed up as Achilles, Yeah. OK, so maybe that that Steve
alone could actually convince me like why it would get right at
heart because that that's a that's one of the more brutal
deaths. And I think it's very shocking
and like an epic film like. This when Achilles cousin's
running up in battle. I don't know.
I don't know if they did this on purpose or not, but as he's
running, his helmet almost is like coming up off his head as
he's moving and fighting as if the helmet doesn't fit.
If that was done on purpose, that's a good little touch to
show it's not Achilles because his helmet doesn't even fit him.
I don't know if that's just because he's moving and just
naturally was going up. But you can tell sometimes his
helmet like maybe even adjust it one.
Time. I feel like they would have had
to do that on purpose. Yeah, if they did, it's a.
Pretty nice, subtle touch. A good touch.
Yeah. Because he's moving kind of
uphill, just like Brad Pitt's Achilles was doing whenever they
first stormed the beach. Yeah.
And like, that's not shaking at all.
Well, he's running with a sword. Yeah.
I think though the first shot of him was Brad Pitt.
It looks just like him. You can't really see very
clearly. I'm wondering like, I don't
think you do you use a body, a body double to like get it like
get Achilles running because they're not using, they're not
using double S in the fight scenes.
No, it's this is like a no stuntman movie.
Yeah. Like Brad Pitt and Eric Bana.
Bana. Yeah, Eric Bana.
They they were fighting. Yeah, I know.
So I know a little bit about that and I'm, I'm sure you know
more than me, but I know that it was like it was like 8 months of
practicing that fight scene, which by the way, this could be
the one. What?
This this this could be up there for like best fight scenes.
Oh dude, it's out there. No, no, I like, I was thinking
about it. I've got like my top three.
John Wick fight scene #1 #2. I'm talking about like of this
caliber, like, you know, kind of sword on sword or maybe
lightsaber on lightsaber. So here's my top three, not
ranked, but we've got Achilles versus Hector.
This fight scene is awesome. It's literally so awesome.
Almost makes the movie. It's like if you weren't
enjoying it now, like there's no way you're not enjoying this.
Yeah, because it's so. And it's clearly them, which is
really cool. That's clearly Brad Pitt
jumping, hitting that sword, or hitting the shield with the
sword. They shoot it wide because
they're able to, because it's Brad Pitt and Eric Bana
fighting. Yeah.
So I have, I have that in the top three, Anakin Skywalker
versus Obi Wan Kenobi and Revenge of the Sith.
Got to do it. You got to do it.
And again, it was very modern
list, but I think choreography has come a long way.
I feel like this was kind of the start of it.
I think like around this time we were taking that a lot more
serious because like I love the Star Wars movies, like the
original 3. Those fight scenes are not like,
you know, they just, they just weren't focused on that.
They were way more focused on like storyline.
And the visual effects changing the game on visual.
Effects, yeah. So I'm just saying like, you
know, but in the prequels they focused heavily on that.
So that Anakin versus Obi Wan fight is really good.
Third one, you are. What do you think my third one
would be? Prentice, Brad.
No, no, no. OK, OK.
You're good. Paula.
Tradie Paula Traders in the the final battle.
Tradies versus fade, Ralph? Yeah.
That like I was think those are my 3.
OK. Yeah, but I don't know where I I
think this could be number. 1 John Wigs in there.
You know, I already brought it up, but.
I'm talking no, no, I'm talking more this caliber, like
one-on-one sword, like, you know, epic stakes.
Yeah, you know what I mean? Like like this is literally for
the Kingdom of Troy and Paul traders for the fucking
universe. Yeah, and.
No people on an Anakin is also for the universe.
So like stakes are high. John Wick is getting revenge for
his dog. What about what about?
What about second hand lions sword fights?
That's up there with the same caliber as The Princess Bride
for sure. Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, dude like that. Also, I like Brad Pitt just
pulling up to the wall to the walls of Troy and just screaming
Hector, Hector that. You know what that reminds me of
so randomly? Dragon Ball Z That was like the
same type of thing that Dragon Ball Z would do, Like just go
cooters. Yeah.
Just like. ANYWAYS, that was just something
that like. Yeah.
That find something so scary from the point of view of Hector
because every time Achilles fights he fights for glory.
He wants his men around in fact, he doesn't even kill Hector the
first time because he's like nobody can really see his fight
Why would I kill a Prince now? It's too early in the day, it's
too early in the story. If I want to be a name for
thousands of years after this, if my name wants to live on for
my legacy, we got to wait for this war to build, build the
stories. Then I can win the war by
killing you, right? So he's pushing it off, but
Achilles goes up there to kill him for straight up revenge.
He's the only person there to watch his, none of his crews
there. It's just him alone.
Like let's fight. So it's way scarier because
like, Achilles is an insane fighter when he fights for glory
and now he's only fighting for revenge.
Yeah, when he's not mad. Yeah, now he's mad, doesn't give
a fuck about who's watching. He's like, let's go.
Yeah, let me, let's. Let's grab.
Yeah, it's insane, the fact that everybody has given up on Hector
too, and. They build his death so much.
They're all saying like goodbye. Like they're pretty much all
saying goodbye. Like you can't beat Achilles,
that's insane. But like, just the fact that he
has to go down, you know, poor Hector, he's like, is literally,
is nobody going to be like you? You got this, brother.
What does his brother say? Oh my gosh, He's like, like,
I'll make you proud. I know.
You make me proud. He says something along my just
like, dude, really? Like, you're not going to be
like, I could do this. Think about Hector.
Whenever his little brother has to fight.
Do we go to that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't. Mycelius or something is his
name Middlehouse. Middlehouse.
Whatever. Yeah.
Brendan Gleeson's character. Yeah, when he's fighting Brendan
Gleeson's character, he at least gives him some advice.
Make him swing and miss. He'll tire you.
Think of your sword and his sword and nothing else.
He's like, yeah, he gives him hope.
He's like, just let him swing. Your tire mouth, He's a big guy,
like he'll get. That he's old man?
Yeah, you're young. He couldn't pay back that same
courtesy. He had to be like, I'll, I'll,
I'll, I'll be the Prince of Troy.
Yeah, he says something like that, and he's like, come on,
dude. Like you can't step up to the
plate. His dad, his dad tells him you
were the greatest son or father could ever ask for.
You were the greatest son. He's already dead in his
father's mind now. You are the greatest son.
You were the greatest son. His wife couldn't have told him
like, you know, come back to me. I feel like that would be such a
good thing to say to somebody that's going to fight one-on-one
or anybody just going to fight about.
It'll be like, come back, come back to us, come back to your
family. She didn't even say that.
Nope, it's game over for Hector. Tough on for Hector.
Brutal. At least they gave him that.
They gave him the epicness. Yeah, in this movie.
But it's also an interesting dynamic in this movie because
the bad guy, you know, Achilles arch nemesis, really is
agnomenon, agnomenon, agnomenon Agnemnon.
The the whole time I was watched this movie I was like, wow, I
have never tried to remember that character's name.
Agnemnon, whatever, that's a really his bad guy.
But Hector's like his biggest enemy in Troy.
But Hector's a well liked character like you like Hector.
He's actually a respectable guy, a good man, a great leader, a
great warrior. So it's an interesting dynamic
to where the guy that the main character Achilles is going to
fight a character you like. You know, it's weird how you.
You're you're pissed. Yeah, like it's it's.
Difficult. You think Achille is so cool,
you know, but you also think Hector is so cool.
It's like a dynamic to where two light characters are on opposing
sides because, you know, in war, you know, there's not really a
good or bad guy in this war. It's just about power.
The bad guys are obviously the king of Greek or Greece.
And so, you know, just about power.
But like the both both sides of the nations, you kind of like
them. Yeah, but they're just, they're
just warriors. They're.
Just yeah, they're just, they're really, well, Achilles is like,
you like him because he's a badass and like, he parties too.
Yeah, he parties hard. It's the women, but he's also.
Honest about what he's doing. He's like, dude, I'm literally
here because I want to be famous.
Like, I like, I'm literally selling my soul.
Yes, there's something cool about like, yeah, dude, like I I
don't care about you. Him telling a kid nobody's going
to remember who you are. That's hard.
He's the biggest man I've ever seen.
I wouldn't want to fight him. That's why no one will remember
your name. That's what's awesome.
That's what's so cool about Achilles is that he has this
just extreme confidence that's disrespectful to everybody else
because he doesn't give a fuck about you.
So it would just be rude to you like a little kid That's Walden.
Don't never remember your name. But he backs it up 100% because
he is the best warrior. He cannot lose.
So it's kind of like, that's why Conor McGregor was so cool when
he was fighting, because he had this insane confidence and was
just knocking people out left and right.
So he was allowed to be overly confident and just be rude
because you're like, well, he's going to.
He's going to win. Yeah.
Then Hector is pretty much the exact opposite, but you like him
just as much. He's literally he fights for his
country. Leads the front, leads from the
front. Yeah, leads from the front.
He he, his code was it. He was like.
Love your no love the gods or respect the gods.
Respect the gods, love the gods, love your woman and fight for
your country. Like that's his creed.
Like all right, that's also pretty bad ass too.
Like he's got three things that he lives by.
Yep, he's got the spiritual side first, then love your family and
then protect your country. Yeah.
What? What more can you ask from from
a man? That's pretty sick.
That that fight's so good
because even the way his shots good, like when Hector walks out
of the gates for the first time, they had that zoom in on Hector,
like just showing you the moment that he's about to step into
where he's going to fight Achilles.
Of course, the last person he sees in Troy's Helen.
Yep, that bitch. Honestly, they did a nice thing
with her because they usually Helen, I guess in order movies
about Troy, the Trojan War. Helen's always like, not a very
likable character because she started the war, but they kind
of give her a little bit of, you know, they help.
She keeps trying to go back on. She's she's a redeemable
character, even though she's the reason for the war, it's not
really her fault. It's just happened.
I mean, it's really Paris's fault.
Yeah, yeah. But so we're going to say
something. No, no, I mean it it it's not
her fault. He was going to attack Troy one
day. I think this just like speed it
up for him. So like that's it.
Like that's, you know. But so and then once Hector
leaves the gates, there's like a handheld shot behind him where
Achilles stands steady in frame. It's a handheld shot so it's
kind of moving, but Achilles just is unmoving in the frame.
Just like steady. Like it's a rock that this guy
will Hector cannot get past. He's just so badass.
And then it's cool because it is Achilles biggest rival or
hardest fight he's ever gotten. His first time he ever gets
touched. First time he ever gets touched,
he his signature move doesn't work.
He's never that move has never failed when you've seen him do
it in in the in war. And I think he, I think he does
it twice. He does it three times.
Is it 3 times? Yeah.
He does it with a spear and I think there's a sword twice,
maybe a. Sword for sure.
Once I he I he for sure does it. Twice he might do it it.
Might be 3 times, yeah. And it's such a tough battle.
Achilles is unstoppable force that you know he's unstoppable,
but the struggle for him is that he almost has to change his
fighting style because you've seen him.
He's fighting how he's always fought people and it always has
worked. But it's also got some swag to
it. Got some swag.
He's flawless. It's funny, I was listening to
this behind the scenes featurette or whatever it was
and somebody on the crew was saying when you read the script,
you know it says an Achilles fights, fights like a God or is
blessed by like something about this like mythical insane way he
fights and he. Clearly is a demigod.
Yeah. And they say, yeah, that's
really easy to write on the screen.
But then how do you make it look like that?
Like, how do we actually make him look like he's this insane
fighter? So you blended a bunch of
different styles for him. You know, like the Euro step.
He's fluid. He faints.
He's like a boxer almost with a sword.
Yes. Oh whoa, he's that was good.
Fainting. I didn't come up with that.
That was what they said, OK. Damn, I was going to say bro,
you just did it. For a split second I was about
to take credit. She's like, wow, that's
beautifully. Yeah, beautifully said.
Also helps that you got Brad Pitt.
But Keeley's changed his fighting style, and there's a
moment where you see where he realizes that he has to change
and try a little bit harder against Hector because he's this
experienced warrior. It's not just anybody.
He is when he does that jab and he holds the shield behind his
back, like you've never seen a fight like that before, where he
holds the shield back and has a sword out.
He kind of pushes Hector with the sword, like pushes his
shield with the sword. And like, there's a moment where
he like, pauses and like, the camera zooms in on Achilles.
He's almost telling you that. He's a little nervous.
Yeah, he's got, he's got to change his style a little bit
because Hector's a tough person. And then obviously cuts him,
cuts his chest, not cut him, but it's his chest plate.
So it's a tough battle. Yeah, it's good because like
Achilles, never, he's never really on top until the end.
Like, you know Achilles is going to win, but like, Hector's
inching, inching, inching, even though you can't touch Achilles
except for just barely grazing his chest.
But like, you know, Achilles doesn't really get any any upper
hands on the entire time, no. It's it's perfectly done just in
the sense of like, you know, the Hector's going to lose.
Like I think everybody knows that Hector's going to lose this
fight. So how do you show that?
How do you still make Hector look cool, I guess?
And I think they do a good job with it.
It's so because Brad Pitt and Eric Boehner, Eric Bana fought
for real. Like they actually did their all
their choreography. They had a gentleman's bet
during their fight. They said any accidental light
blows, you owe each other 50 bucks.
Any accidental big hits like a big blow, you owe the other
person $100. And so Brad Pitt owed Eric Bana
$750 after they filmed it, and Eric Bana owed him $0.00.
Oh. But there's multiple reports,
they say $0.00 or $200.00. So I'm sure he probably owed him
a little bit of money. They they had like a little
gentleman's bet because of they were actually doing it and they
were going to, they're swinging hard to kind of make it look
real. So any accidental blows, they
give each other some money. That's pretty awesome a little
bit. That's funny that Brad lost
considering he's the one that supposed to be the the best
fighter of all time. That's why he's fucking smacking
his ass the whole fight. But so like, that's easily the
most epic part of the movie and it almost, it almost didn't
happen because of so they filmed it in Mexico.
They were going to film it in Morocco, but during the, the
Iraq war happened, so they had to move locations because it's
too dangerous over there. So they filmed it in Cabo, New
Mexico on the beaches and they built the entire wall of Troy.
They obviously added some CGI to make it look infinitely long,
but they had a giant set of the the the the wall of Troy.
They filmed all the battles, everything in Troy, the dialogue
scenes, and the next day they were going to film the fight.
The last thing they were going to do is going to be the fight
between Brad Pitt and Eric Bana, but then a hurricane rolled
through and destroyed the wall. No.
Whoa. So they had a they're like, we
can't see GI this like the only way to really make this work the
entire fight, it happens in front of the gates, like we need
the wall to be there. So ended up building it, which
took months, which actually worked out because Brad Pitt got
an injury. He actually, funny enough,
sprained or tweaked his Achilles.
Oh my God. Yeah.
OK, so I, I, I have heard that that's.
So he allowed him to rest and recover and then they filmed it
and it but it delayed it by like 2 months.
The movie was supposed to be wrapped in September but they
prolonged it to December because yeah, because they had to
rebuild the entire wall. If you watch.
This, Brad has to. Recover.
Yeah, but a hurricane came up and just wiped out the entire
wall. Not about the entire wall, but
like a giant chunk in the middle.
That's just movie magic, baby. Well, plus, wouldn't that give
them more time to like, get the choreography down too?
Or I mean, rap and arrest? Just Brett.
Well, Eric Bana, I got to practice then.
Yeah, that's just, you just realize the making a movie at
this scale, the things that can go wrong and just how hard it
actually is to do it. I mean, they had to train
hundreds. Of guys, all those extras,
that's, that's thousands of guys we're seeing on that screen.
Yeah, they had. And they don't like actors.
They just pull people out to and you play a warrior and you look
strong. Do it, Jackson.
I, I see that process on like a small scale, right?
Because I, like, I worked on, like, stills for the Chosen
show. And like, they kind of did the
same thing where they built like, like out in the middle of
Texas. They built like a small
Jerusalem, essentially. And it's really weird to, like,
walk around it because it's like, well, this is really real.
Get teleporting. Yeah.
Because a lot of people get paid to make it.
There's not one little mistake. There's not one like, oh, this
looks like it's fake or, you know, there's not a corner to be
turned where like, oh, it's it's just a set, like no, they make
it real. That's crazy.
So to think about this, how much money went into this?
Every single extra that goes that you see on the screen, no
matter if they're in the furthest corner, like in the top
of the screen, like somebody, somebody spent like a good hour
on that person. Yep.
So that's like thousands of hours right there.
Yeah, I've seen footage of them training them and they're out in
the desert, you know, faxing. How do you run into battle?
It's like, oh, he doesn't look like he's really fighting.
Like making sure everyone in the extras looks good enough to be a
warrior, that if you, in case somebody's paying attention, you
can like, Oh yeah, they're fighting.
Yeah, they can get Yeah. Because I mean, I do think about
like when we watched Braveheart, like the fight scenes are epic,
but there are sometimes I was like, oh, if you look close
enough, like these guys, they're just not fighting.
They're just going on. Yeah.
Just spinning around like. Like, oh, nobody's paying
attention to me, but they've clearly locked down on that.
I also love the fight scene because it just makes sense for
something of epic proportions like this.
Then I do think interesting enough, like Timothy Chalamet
has done two fight scenes that I love so much.
One of them is Paul Tradies versus Fade Ralph.
Yep, and even the first fight scene in Dune 1.
At the end when he fights the Freeman.
Yeah. Jamas.
That or Jameis.
Jameis. Anyways, he's so he has that
fight scene, but he also did a fight scene in this movie called
The King, which we got to do one day.
That's such a good movie. Have you even seen it yet?
Nope. It's so good, I know it is.
Anyways, but in that movie they show like what a realistic fight
looks like between like a man and a man.
And it's like dirty and it gets muddy and like they're like not
they're just like hacking at each other and like they get on
top of each other and they're just like, clearly like getting
tired. And I think you don't do that
with this movie, obviously for like cinematic purposes, but
because it is like a demigod versus like the actual best man
fighter on the planet. And so like you kind of you have
to make it look very cool. Yeah.
So just like it. It's almost.
Like hyper real because of how good they're in smooth and fluid
it is that's. What I'm saying like, it doesn't
look bad. It doesn't look like they're
just like trying to hit swords and like make it look cool.
Like they are literally trying to hit each other and you can
see it. Yeah, so Brad Pitt to get in
his. Body he spent 6.
Months training to get that jacked, and then the equal
amount of time filming to practice the fight to make it
look fluid and good. Like this dude, even though he
wasn't a fan of it, he was still dedicated to this movie.
Yeah, I feel like Brad Pitt is actually.
One of the only guys that I see whenever they're there in that
type of physique where I'm like that's I don't think he's on
steroids, no. He's got the natural, yeah.
Natural. Like he Yeah, he does.
Because like. He's looking tone, he looks
good. He's for sure on 2 scoops.
It was creatine and a couple of protein shakes.
But like. Dude, like, you know, it's just
one of those things. Like I see some actors in movies
that are like talking about, you know, how they're all natural
and like, it's all diet and I'm looking at them and they are
just so like insanely jacked. And it's like, dude, like just
say you do steroids. You're not an athlete.
Like nobody cares, you know? But Brad, I don't understand
that. I don't understand.
That like just say you use steroids or.
It's now like, what's the big deal there's?
No big deal. It's not You have.
To look good on camera, like it makes sense, like you want to
look the best. Especially actors like yeah, I
take steroids. Get this jacked.
I got jacked in six months. I didn't.
Yeah, You did that all naturally.
You got massively jacked in six months.
No, you have to be taking something.
It's impossible to get that jacked in that amount of time.
Yeah, but I think like Brad. Pitt is pretty good at picking
roles where like it doesn't take a toll on his real life.
How he like eats. This movie is like a thirst trap
for everybody. You have the badass fights and
Achilles badass nature for the dudes.
Then you have shirtless, sweaty, bloody Brad Pitt for the ladies.
Yeah, it's just movie. Troy's just a thirst trap.
Yeah, I'll tell you this. Like Achilles?
Like in the beginning of the movie when he's trying to decide
like, oh, do I go to Troy or do I hang out and get a wife and
have kids and like not be glorious.
Feel like in real life if there was an Achilles his in his dream
that he had with the God in the decision making of that he saw
that. One day there would be.
This thing called a movie, and then the guy portraying him was
Brad Pitt. So he just got to watch Troy.
And he was like, Oh yeah, I'm doing this, doing that.
Yeah, I'm going to do that. Easy, easy decision.
Like this Brad Pitt guy, that's a good looking fellow.
Yeah, they're going to say I look like him.
Oh. Yeah, dude, I'm going to Troy.
No, Achilles would probably be like him.
He's playing. Me.
You got to be kidding me. Achilles probably thinks
himself. Really, Achilles thinks himself
way above that. Did you know that Christopher
Nolan was? Supposed to make.
Direct this movie. I guess he's getting his.
Chance, yeah, that's why he's doing the Odyssey, because.
He was interested in this story. He was hired to do it.
He was supposed to do it, but the the Wolfgang Peterson, the
actual director, he's the one that developed the movie and
with Warner Brothers and he was going to make a Superman versus
Batman movie, but Warner Brothers decided to not produce
it. They didn't want to do that
movie. So he's like, OK, well, I want
Troy back then. So they took it away from Chris
McMullen, gave it back to Wolfgang Peterson and Nolan did
Batman Begins. Whoa, OK, but that's.
Why Nolan's doing the Odyssey now?
Because he was already thinking about this movie.
He's already interested, interested in it.
People think it's kind of like a left like had a left field movie
for him to do. Like he why is he doing the
Odyssey? But it's because he's always
wanted to do this. This era with Odysseus and Troy
and the Trojan War, people were shocked that he.
Wanted to do this story. This is like epic.
Like, this is epic. Yeah, it's called like this
sounds exactly like something Christopher Nolan.
I wonder if Akiles will be in the Odyssey.
I don't. Think he's in the book.
Brad Pitt's going to come back. Oh dude, that'd.
Be insane. That would be insane.
I mean no. Shot Well, you never know, Brad.
Pitt he Brad Pitt's 62 right now, they could.
De age him, wouldn't it be that? Hard to make him look younger.
He wouldn't have looked. I mean Troy Young.
I don't think Christopher Nolan would do that.
Be like a. Matt Damon interstellar
situation. Brad Pitt comes out of nowhere.
Small part Brad's pissed that Matt Damon ended up.
Getting this part in Odysseus or the Odyssey.
That's funny, I did not know that Christopher Nolan was
supposed to do that, but that makes so much sense to me.
Literally hired to do it and they pulled.
It from him to give it back to Wolfgang.
You're talking about how everybody looked sexy.
In this movie, except for one guy Orlando Bloom pussy pussy,
he didn't want to play the movie.
Because of how much of A pussy the character was.
Oh dude. And he's coming from playing
legacist. Or Legolas in Lord of the Rings,
which right spoiler to our fan base.
I have yet to really get into Lord of the Rings.
You've seen them, you just don't.
You're not into them, no. No, I've tried watching them
like 5. Times and I can't do it, but I'm
going to do it one day. I'm going to really sit down and
get into them. We will one day, yes.
Anyways, I do know that Orlando Bloom plays like the coolest
character, arguably in all of the rings he's always played.
Cooler type of people, Yeah, like the heroes the in this
movie. Such a pussy.
Like he didn't. He sucks at this movie, Yeah, he
said. And he kills Achilles, which
makes him suck even more. Yes, fucking cowards.
Way to do. Not only that.
So back in this time, The Archers were looked down upon
because you're not fighting the battle, you're shooting from a
range and distance where from a safe point of view.
And so even at the end, Coward's way to fight, even in the end.
Him being an Archer. He's like he's still.
Pushing to the end even though he kills.
Achilles No, it's the most annoying thing ever because.
It wasn't even a good shot. Yeah, he said.
Hit him in the heel. Yeah, yeah, he fucking man.
He didn't need to do. That also Orlando.
Balloons. Archery.
Doesn't look good. He's like throwing the arrows.
I would. Imagine that was.
Like an actor's choice or like that was delivered because he
plays an Archer in Lord of the Rings and he's like the best
Archer. Unless the arrows were CGI
needed to. Like show like pulling the
trigger, like you know, doing the recoil on a gun, faking it
maybe. I think him doing it in this
movie. And doing what you're talking
about has to be like somebody being like I did, like you've
sucked this whole movie. All right?
We're not going to all of a sudden make you look cool now.
Yeah, you're not going to. Yeah, because Lord of the Rings,
he's. A good Archer?
He's the best Archer, yeah. So like, yeah.
You would, yeah, if. He's a good Archer, just be.
Like, you know, no movement, just letting go of the string
and he's like, he's weak. He's a weak dude.
He doesn't train, he is the home wrecks relationships, him
reading the script, Orlando Bloom, he.
Said I couldn't see myself with the characters he's playing,
like who he sees himself as an actor.
He's like, I can't do this. When he read the part where he
crawls to his brother's ankle and he's like, whatever he says
to him, you know, being a pussy, he's like, I, I, I cannot see
myself doing this. Like, how am I going to play
this movie? And then somebody was like, but
that makes the movie like, it's such a big moment.
And he's like, so you listen to him and he's like, fuck my
character. Still a pussy.
Yeah, my character still sucks. I love that Helen like keeps.
Bailing him out, he's like, no, like you made yourself look like
a pussy because that's how much you love me.
You don't care what anybody thinks about you because you
love me. And then you didn't die.
So we get to keep hooking up, which if you die right now, that
would just be a terrible investment on my part.
Yeah, because now like I. Left, I started a war.
I started a war. I got.
So many people. Killed.
And now I'm going to be on the run for the rest of my life.
Thanks. And yours.
And you're dead. My pussy husband's dead.
Yeah. It's cool.
Diane Kruger, she was a no name actress at the time because in
the original story for the movie, they weren't going to
show Helen. It was going to be like a part
of the story. You never saw her because they
didn't know how to show her God like beauty on the screen.
They audiences would be like, oh, she's not pretty enough.
Oh, that's Helen. You know that works.
Yeah. So they they weren't going to.
Use. Anybody that wasn't pretty cool
actually, but the studios are like you have to have.
Helen in the movie. Like we need to have somebody
pretty in the movie. There's a lot of pretty girls in
the planet, so a. Lot of pretty actresses so
Wolfgang Peterson casted. Her being a no name actress
since I think it's her first like big role or maybe even
first movie. OK, wow, after this was like
national. Treasure and she.
Had like a career after that. She was no name at this point.
Wow. But she works as Helen because
she started off doing modelling and ballet dancing, which are
two things to where you have to move your body and act a certain
way to, like, have this charisma and presence almost not human.
Yeah. And so.
Having her. Coming from modeling to where
when you model, you know, it's not just looking pretty and
walking down, like you have to have charisma and like the
presence of showing confidence and like getting people to look
at you on stage and, you know, think that you're beautiful by
your movements. And so it works for this movie,
you know, having that background because she's able to show her
presence and confidence and charisma as Helen to make her
believe her God like beauty. She does a great job in this too
her. Performance is very, very good.
So yeah, like, yeah, good for. Her they didn't do the whole.
That's crazy that she was a. Known name before that, yeah.
Like hadn't started acting. So was Rose Byrne.
She wasn't a. Named Actress either.
No way this was her breakout role.
Yep, they he wanted to cast. The beautiful woman in the movie
to be like, no name, so people didn't know who they were.
See him as anybody else. Again, like not knowing who
Diane Kruger is, seeing her for the first time as hell and
you're like, oh, that is a beautiful woman.
I've never seen that girl before versus if you've seen any other
actors, like they picked her. I don't even like her.
She isn't, you know, OK, I see what you mean.
Rose Byrne. What a career, Achilles lover
all the way to the bitter end. Yeah, all the way.
To Seth Rogen's. Husband and neighbors.
Yeah. What a what a catalog Yeah,
she's a pretty good she's a good actress, too.
She. She was doing something like it
just. With her eyes like this whole
movie they pretty much like never stopped moving.
Like they are literally like just looking all over the place
just in panic mode as a war prisoner.
Yeah, you know, inches away from being a sex slave.
If we went for a key, at least she would have a bitter end.
Yeah, bad. Yeah, bad news.
But Achilles is there to save the day, save the war, although
he didn't really save the war. It's kind of funny in this
movie, like, Aquila's name will be etched in eternity because of
the glory that he earned during the Trojan War.
And I guess during the Trojan War, he did.
But in the actual battle of, like, taking over Troy, he
didn't do much. Yeah, he didn't.
He killed two people, maybe 3. I think there's two.
Sorry, who's this? Sorry I blanked out, I was kind.
Of looking at he's like he didn't have anything he.
Didn't do anything when they attacked Troy.
He just ran in, went to, went to.
He was looking for her. I know, I'm saying.
Like his name being etched an. Eternity he didn't do anything
is the taking of Troy Oh yeah, yeah, he did it in the.
War he was. A.
His name was edged to an eternity when he took over the
1st. Building by himself and had the
whole fucking Greek army chanting Achilles.
Yeah, that's funny. I mean, he was already done
there. He'd already done it when the
ships are rolling up to the beaches.
The trailer, maybe we can pull it up.
The trailer showed an insane amount of boats, like just like
a you know, there's already a lot of boats, but they were like
way more boats when they CGI D it.
But audiences and like the test screenings, they were like that
wouldn't make any sense Like there's too many boats out
there. There's no wind for the sails
like the boats. The amount of boats there would
like block the wind. So like I thought it was too
many boats, so they went in and like changed it.
That many boats changes the weather.
Yeah, I mean, so where are you going to park all those?
Boats. Giant sails like.
I I definitely wouldn't have thought.
That if I was a target audience member, I think they were like,
let's look it up, let's see what.
It actually looked like. I don't know if we can find the
original trailer, though. It's all the same amount of
boats. It looks like the boats, yeah.
Maybe they're just more spread out.
Or again, this could be edited, I could have.
Changed it like it could be the. Original trailer but.
You know, with the with the final boat scene.
But anyway, that's what they. Say, that's what I read.
Think of the thing about it they actually gave Christopher.
Nolan, all those boats, Yeah, yeah.
No CGI on her Nolan movie. That man does it for real.
I'm so excited. For that, yeah, Brad Pitt's
going to. Be Achilles.
That would be insane. They they haven't mentioned.
I mean, Nolan's kind of secretive about who's going to
be in the movie. Travis Scott's in it.
That's. Hilarious.
That's hilarious. He's like a he's.
Given a pregame war speech. Oh yeah, I'm.
Hype. I'm a huge.
Travis Scott fan. I mean, if no one picked him,
he's got a bit. He has to have done something
good, like the performance can't be horrible.
No, Exactly. Exactly.
I pray to God I'll be so sad if Travis Scott, my favorite
rapper, ruins a Christopher Nolan film if he's like the one.
Time I'm like oh fuck. That was corny.
Yeah, we'll see. We'll see.
It might get cut. Yeah, the final movie is.
Not done yet. Or maybe it is done?
But it's not released yet, so yeah, could have just been
marketing material. Yeah, get Trav out there and
then cut his ass from the movie. Yeah.
Or Michael, just a small, super, super small small part.
Like Detroit, Just like 1. Last thing I kind of want to
say, I think the king is so funny in this.
Not the king of Troy, the king of Greece.
Yeah, whose name we can't pronounce?
Agne Mennon. He cracks me up in this movie.
Why? I think I mean they.
Just do a really good. Job of showing like why Achilles
doesn't like him. You know, he is.
He's kind of like Orlando Bloom's character.
He's he too, is just a huge wussy.
Yeah, but I'm just saying like he's also like kind of smooth.
He's kind of funny. He doesn't take anything
serious. Like I like your land.
I think we'll stay. Yeah, I like that.
That's a good line. I like the laughing whenever his
brother is fighting Paris. Hey, that's such a good life for
no reason. Like he's just laughing.
I love there's a shot of him when he's being told that he
needs to retreat. And I don't really know how does
it like describe it, but like just seeing him like in this
carriage, like clearly realizing that he's losing that just looks
so almost cartoonish to me. And he's there's a funny moment
when he's in the carriage and his.
His driver gets shot with the with the arrow and he like falls
off, doesn't even look back. He's like, no, he just like
grabs the leash and like he's going.
Just doesn't even mind that his guy just got shot and killed.
Yeah, the fact that Achilles like, keeps pissing.
Him off too, and he's just throwing like little baby fits.
He's just, he's just a big baby, yeah.
Big baby, Yeah. I want more land.
Yeah. Like you're not a God.
You can't have all of it. Why do I want it?
So he, yeah, he. He cracks me up.
Shout out to Sean Bean not dying.
Yep, that's pretty cool. Yeah, he's always.
Died in his. Movies, Game of Thrones.
Oh, I mean he. Set the precedent for.
Game of Thrones, bro. Yeah, he that was the most.
Insane death. When he died it was like, oh
fuck, anybody can. Die.
Yeah. The the main character dies.
Yeah, OK. Wow.
Still shocking insane. I remember watching because of
my, you know. Obviously I was young when it
came out, so I wasn't allowed to watch it.
This amount of sex on the show, especially the first couple
seasons, all of them all. Of them, All of them.
How's it the? Dragon, that one.
Had some insane like the brothel like they show like a blowjob.
Oh dude, it's obviously a very prosthetic.
Penis but it's like dude. What the hell, you can just show
that. But so watching Game of Thrones
for the first time in my bedroom as a kid in my parents' house,
Ned Stark dies. You're like, what the fuck?
The main. Character shocked the.
Whole world insane. Literally.
And ratings just went through the roof.
They're like, OK, OK. Like there's no way to predict
the show. Red Wedding.
Just when he thought.
Everybody was safe, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, he he honestly. Don't even play like a main
character in this movie, it's an important one.
But he's also the. Narrator too.
Yeah, Odysseus, a big part of the.
Story, or at least in Odysseus's story, the Trojan War is a part
of it. So he's got to be there.
Yeah. He's the He's the one that lasts
and lives. Yeah.
You know what I mean, guys. Yeah, I.
Mean this movie. Even has some like, crazy deaths
with Hector Dyne. You're like, fuck, he's the
main. He was one of the main
characters and he gets killed and then there's still so much
movie left. Yeah, like he that's a little
after halfway, but still, there's like 40 minutes left in
the movie when he dies. Yeah.
Now this one, this one gets you it's.
A good one. It's tricky.
It's a good one. Classic.
Classic Brad Pitt, even though he hates the movie.
Classic. That's so.
Brad Pitt of him. Yeah, like, all right, dude.
Like, Brad, do you see the way you looked in this movie?
Never. You're.
Cut. You got cool hair.
He's pissed because he didn't get to eat.
The whole movie, yeah, I think there's one.
I think we get to see him eat like a little bit of bread.
I heard he was. Upset with this movie too,
because he had to stop smoking. I guess he's on cigarettes after
maybe seven. Yeah, I don't.
Know, but I heard he. Was.
Aggravated during filming because he had to quit smoking
because he had to get jacked. Well, I.
Wonder how he's doing now He's. Probably not smoking.
He's well, he's completely sober now.
Yeah, now he's driving F1 cars. Still.
Taking his shirt off for Quentin Tarantino.
So it can't be that. Yep.
No, brat, no. Brad Pitt, Hey.
Over here, Brother Brad, Brother Brad, we love brother.
Brad. Shall we rate Troy?
Let's do it. All right.
What's your rating for Troy? So for Troy, let me break it
down. We've got our five categories.
We've got acting, writing, editing, cinematography and
enjoyability. For acting, I'm giving it a 10
out of 10. There you go.
And a ten. I think there's a lot of
delicate moments and a lot of very intense scenes.
Even for a movie where it's like kind of heavy relying on the war
and all the the fight scenes and the battle scenes, I think
there's a lot of like very intimate, very real moments.
And I think everybody does like great, you know, very, very,
very good acting. So 10 out of 10, I think the
acting is perfect in this. I don't care what you say, Brad.
Don't care how you feel about yourself.
Yeah. The writing is 8 out of 10.
I it's just, it's very solidly written to me.
Yeah, just 8 out of 10. Just no.
No real. Complaints like I don't, I think
for what this movie again, is relying heavily on or the battle
and fight scenes. So I think because of that,
you're not getting like the most genius written lines, right.
Although I will say Brad Pitt, that scene where he's telling,
telling his prisoner slash guest Rose Byrne that the gods envy
us. That's some good writing.
Yep, editing 8 out of 10. Kind of the same thing as the
writing. Like nothing special there, but
still solid overall. I mean, with a budget like that,
it's just going to be cinematography. 7 out of 10,
really solid. But.
Nothing that really impressed me.
I do kind of see what Brad Pitt's saying about like the
being the center focus. Yeah.
I don't think there were any like masterful shots.
I mean, you were kind of telling me about like in the the fight
scene. There is that.
So I get cinematography wise, like they do a really good job
with the fight scenes. There's like the most that you
can tell that's where like the most efforts.
But other than that, like it's just pretty basic shots.
It looks like. But enjoyability 9 out of 10.
I love this movie like I do love this movie.
Those are a fun movie to put on. I can't imagine why people would
not like watching this movie. It's like if you.
Yeah, like if you turn on the TV.
And this is on. You'll sit down and watch it.
Yep. So that brings my score to an
8.4 out of 10 is a good movie. I am a good movie.
I have acting 9 out of. 10 like solid, acting nothing like
crazy. I don't think it's Brad Pitt's
best performance, but I don't see what he's saying about him
being horrible in it. Yeah, but when you see the other
movies like he does, bring it a little bit more, but I think
it's great. Very, very good actor.
Writing 7 out of 10. I think it's just a solid
written script. Like it's nothing crazy.
It's not this insane story, it's just cool battles like that The.
Battles and the. Fights really bring you into it.
It's it's it's fun to watch because it's so bad ass, right?
The story is not like the heart of it, like you don't.
It's not like this deep. Gut wrenching story when?
Things happen. It's just like, let's just see
this fucking war, yeah? You're not having to hear the.
Words of the characters because the stakes are already written.
But there's no, there's not going to be any trickery.
There's not going to be anything like that.
So I see what you mean. Editing 9 out of 10 I think the
way they edit the fight. Scenes and everything is
beautiful. We can see it very clearly.
I think structuring it's pretty well.
It is a little long, but I mean it's an epic movie, so it's got
to be long. Cinematography actually put 10
out of 10. I think the way they shoot the
fights is incredible. I it is more standard shot, but
like showing the grand scale of Troy, like you have to just show
this wide shot such as how insane it is.
There's cool moments with the camera.
There's the one we talked about when Hector walks out and it
zooms in on him. There's another one like that
when Odysseus first comes to Achilles that try to get him to
join the war to help them. And Achilles like no, no, no,
no. But Odysseus says your name will
be remembered forever. This is the battle where your
name will be a member forever, whatever he says.
And then like it like zooms in on it, zooms in on Odysseus when
he says that. So they'll show you just like
that was the thing. And that's the thing to get
Achilles to agree. He doesn't care about anything
but glory. So it just shows you how
important those wars were to Otis to to Achilles.
So I think it's just a well, very well shot movie.
It's pretty and enjoyability. 9 out of 10 right there with you.
Really fun, great watch. So my total score is an 8.8 out
of 10. Nice for Troy.
Oh yeah. You know what?
I I got one final thought on Troy.
The outfits that the Greeks wear, actually that all the guys
wear, those should be modern. We should be wearing shit like
that. This time we're on the beach.
We got to have some. Achilles fits.
Granted again. A lot of handsome dudes in this
movie, they can pull off anything, pull off anything they
want. But like.
I'm looking at it, I'm like, dude, if I was chilling like in
like that Brad Pitt blue cut off shirt, like at the beach
specifically the wind blowing through it, cooling you off.
Yeah, I've got hair now, so it's blowing.
Through my hair. Yeah, dude, I could.
I think I could pull it off kind of like Brad and me and Brad
would both kind of be able to pull it off together like the
same, same level, if you will. Wow, that's a big.
That's a big accusation. Well.
So that. That's it.
I I think they had a lot of. Swag back then.
I think we could bring that back.
I do like that fashion always repeats itself, as history does.
I think we're ready for this. It does have a bullet and a
mustache. Fashion comes back.
What is that? From like the 70s, yeah.
I think so nice you don't. Even know back in the day.
All I know is this. Right now boy anyway, thank you
guys for listening comment below your thoughts on Troy.
Let us know why you love it let us know why you hate it.
Even though it's not historically accurate Smith,
it's myth. Let's have some fun.
Let's. Have some fun.
It's a good movie. It's fun, epic battles.
Yeah, take it easy. So take.
It easy Brad Pitt, so give us your ratings out of 10.
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