What's everybody? Welcome back to the Crown Cinema
podcast. In this episode we are breaking
down and. Literally just watched.
The Passion of the Christ, Easter weekend, Easter Monday
Well. Yeah, dude, I'm a little nervous
in this episode. No, I you know, this is
literally the time to do this one.
True. Also our first time watching it.
Yeah, I've never seen this movie before. 2026 years old and never
seen it. It's one of those where like
growing up it was like kind of always offered.
Like a lot of people are watching this movie at this time
of year. Always a Good Friday.
That's usually when people watch it, yeah.
We're watching it the Saturday before Easter.
Yeah. And just it like growing up, it
was one of those were like, I would tell people for years I
was like, I'm not ready. I'm really like, I'm not ready.
Like I, I, it's just one of those like, you heard how brutal
it was. And so people would tell me
like, yeah, dude, like you need to watch it.
I was like, yeah, one day. And today's the day.
Yeah. And today was the day, you know,
26 years old. And I, like, kind of woke up
today. I was like in the shower.
And I was like, OK, this is like an important film.
I need to really lock in and, like, watch this one, you know?
So, Passion of the Christ. It's brutal.
Yeah, it's one of those were like as hyped up as it is, it is
as brutal, if not more. Brutal, but you kind of have to
do it if it's not, I mean, because it's hard when you read
like the Bible and the stories. It's it's more like a an account
doesn't go into details. It just kind of gives you just
what happened, right. And so it's hard sometimes a
picture what that was like or when they like in the Bible and
they say he was flogged. Yeah, we don't know what that
is. We, you know, me and you aren't
historians. We don't know what Romans did to
torture people. So we don't really know what
flogging is, Right. But then you see it, You're
like, oh, my goodness. Yeah.
And so seeing that brutality of it, you, you have to do it
because it just opened your mind and realized like, wow, this is
what this is what went down. This is how brutal it was.
Yeah, this is one of those like, I don't even know.
I was just thinking like watching this, watching this
movie, and I, I think this is as accurate as you'll probably ever
see on the on the big screen. The only inaccuracies is she
doesn't hold him afterward. I don't think when Jesus is
crucified, those are the things that there's like more creative
liberty. But she was, she's around like
in the area, right? Like she.
She was with him during his ministry and she was with the
crew a lot of the time. She would go home sometimes, but
she was involved. She sees him like for sure, like
the night before he yes, is taken right.
I think so there there's something like that.
I feel bad. I mean we're not going to be
like totally accurate here. I'm not, you know, I, I do
believe in what is being said here in the message, everything,
but I'm not like well versed in it.
I'm not well versed yet, I'm in my studies now.
Yeah, I especially after watching this, it's like, all
right, I need to lock in a little bit more.
The real heart of it that every time I would get emotional, I
never I I'm just not a crier during movies.
I'm a crier. You are a crier.
And I'm not like I'll get choked up and I'll feel it in my
throat, you know, like when that cry is coming, it's like it just
in your throat. Dude, tears come for me.
I'm just they come out. I'm just not a cry.
It takes, I don't know. I don't cry very often.
Like I'd, you know, obviously cry sometimes, but it's rare
that I cry. But like this movie, I didn't
cry, but like tears were welling up.
But it's and it's every time you see Mary watching her son.
Yes. Which is that adding that being
that making that a focus of this movie helps you really
understand like what this was having a mother have to watch
her son go through this. Yeah.
So I'll kind of like just going off of that.
First off, when I was talking about accuracy, I was more
talking about the brutality of the crucifixion.
But yeah, I did not realize that, like, going into this
film, I thought it was just straight up two hours watching
Jesus get beaten, right? Pretty much is.
But there's a lot of really cool callbacks to, like, just kind of
let you understand, like, good flashbacks.
It's not done in a corny way. At the right moment.
Yes. And like, just very, very
impressive filmmaking, like just how it's how it's executed.
Because it's like it's cool because you know,
chronologically Jesus would say things.
Then we watched, you know, the flashbacks are what he said
before. And so when you either either it
flashes back first and then you see it or you see what happened
to Jesus and then it flashes back to what he said would
happen. It just make holds that weight
of like when he's smiling and I'm going to give my life for
you. And then he's there on the
cross. You're like, oh, that was.
That's a heavy burden that nobody really understood.
Yeah, what that really meant. I'm thinking like the way that
this film was made, like it's done so beautifully because it,
it shows like the you're just dropped in, you know, on, on
what's happening, like, you know, in the big moment.
Yeah, the 12 hours before he dies, right?
And Mel Gibson doesn't give you like a full back story.
And so like, the significance of that for me is like, everybody
has heard of this story. This is like the story of
stories, right? Is this.
But like, I love how kind of the atmosphere of the film, like
showing the people showing like kind of the stakes.
Everybody knows that what is happening is important, but Mel
Gibson does a good job of showing like, and it kind of
ranged through today. It's like people know that
they're like very high stakes of like just everything politically
with with war, just everything. But even if you don't know
what's going on, you can feel kind of the weight of it.
And that I feel like Mel Gibson kind of nails it with this
because like the conversations that are happening with Pontius
Pilate and all that, What, what are they called?
The Pharisees and all the religious leaders of the time.
Oh yeah. So you see like these
conversations happening and again, like it, it's doing all
these callbacks and things that you like, you've heard of,
you're familiar with, but it doesn't really like give a full
clear back story of Jesus and like what is happening.
And so I just, I, I thought that was pretty cool that it's just
like showing you in the moment, if you're somebody that doesn't
really understand what's happening, you can still feel
the weight of the importance that like, OK, this isn't
normal. This isn't a normal crucifixion.
Like there's like a potent, there's like a spiritual war
happening above us. Like it's just I, I think it's
done really, really well. Because right when you play the
movie, there's no credits, Nothing.
Nothing pops on screen. You're just in the story.
Yeah. And yet you from the moment that
you start, you just feel the weight immediately.
Yeah, like I'm thinking we just did Troy a couple weeks ago it
before, like you said, like this one doesn't do it.
But typically in those films you lay out right before, like, OK,
this is where we are, this is what's happening.
You don't have to do that with this story.
Nope. Yeah, you just feel it.
They do an interesting thing with the filmmaking.
A lot of it shot in the higher frame rate than the standard
frames per second they normally shoot movies at, which is 24
frames a second. That's like natural movement to
get a natural blur. They shoot most of this movie in
a higher frame rate to have this sense of slow motion because
it's slower at times or it's just you just feel like it's
slow motion because of the higher frame rate.
You don't see the motion blur, which gives you that sense of
the weight of what's happening in the drama.
So that helped. It visually tells you the weight
by the way they filmed it by having the frame rate be higher.
I think that's like, Oh my gosh, dude.
Just like a long brutal movie showing like just how painful
this was. Like, I can't nobody, nobody in
our comments section for sure has ever gone through anything
close to. This.
No, nobody. Yeah, this is.
This is. I don't know why I just called
out the comments section, I'm just saying.
Like nobody in our. Conversation.
I'm just saying, like, I think I meant more of, like, anybody
that kind of hates on, like, what we're talking about, like
just picking this movie. It's like, it's just really
weird to, like, watch that. And like, even in some of the
more intimate moments of, like, Mary and Mary seeing Pontius
Pilate's wife. Yeah.
And like, while that kind of beautiful, very heartbreaking
moment is happening, you still hear them beating him.
And that's like after 5 minutes what feels like forever, but
it's like 5 minutes of just watching him get whipped.
That's a whole scene. Then it cuts to them like in
that moment, but you still hear them going and, like, you feel
it still every time that he's getting slapped while they're
still having like, this beautiful moment of Pilot's wife
giving them the, like, a towel. Like it's just that it chills,
honestly. Yeah.
And it hurts. But yeah, I will say every time
that Mary the mother is shown on screen of Jesus, tears.
Tears. Open opening the store, you
know, it's only the first, it's only the 12 hours before his
crucifixion. And so starting it at the
betrayal, you know, that's the thing that kicks it off is the
betrayal. You know, showing Jesus scared
adds to that weight of what's about to happen because he knows
what's going to happen. He's all he's God, he can, he
knows what's going to happen, but he's still he's 100% man and
100% God. So he's going to feel
everything, a human emotion, the fear.
Like if imagine if you were in that position, you would feel
you would be pooping your pants for and keep it clean.
So I'm trying to keep it clean. I mean, it makes sense like
showing him just so nervous before that happens.
You're like, that adds to the weight of because you know
what's coming and seeing God be scared, you're like, Oh my gosh,
this is going to be crazy. Yeah, yeah.
Just it's just, you know, the human element.
I'm getting to watch Jesus in like on screen, like with the
chosen TV show or even or the passion of the Christ.
Seeing him as a human because he was a human makes it more
relatable where the you can just feel the weight of that so much
more. That's why especially.
I mean, this actor crushes it. Yeah.
Just nuts. This entire movie, it's one of
those. And I've told this story before,
but like, I got a chance to work on The Chosen and I saw Jonathan
Rumi. That's right.
I like was in they so on that set, like they build the city
and I was only part of it for like the promotion.
So they were only doing stills. But like, just see, it's one of
those really strange moments, and I know that this film in
particular has some of the craziest things.
I'll get into that next. For sure.
But like just seeing that in person, like they showed one of
the things that I was a part of is like, and it was the final
scene of like the whole time I was there and it was like a five
day shoot. And these actors take what they
do very, very seriously, which I think when you're touching
something of this magnitude, you, you have to, this is way
too important. But like, one of the stills that
I was a part of was Jonathan Jesus saying goodbye to his
mother before he gets crucified the next day or before
everything just happens the next day.
And it was just for stills. It wasn't even for like the
scene for the TV show. And he had to like go walk away
for like 20 minutes. And when he came back and before
that, he was like the funniest dude, very cool, very likable,
talking to everybody on set. P as 80s.
Grips. You were his guy, right?
I was, I was, yeah, like, I was kind of just like there to
really make sure, you know, he just got out of the car and
then, you know, he was, I was there really.
I was like, not the second AD, but I was like, kind of just
helping out with talent a little bit at that point.
But when he walked away with Jonathan, when he came back,
Jesus, it was really, really weird.
And all it was was for like 30 minutes, him and the actress
that was playing marry his mother.
All they did was just like hug each other and sob.
For the photos. Yeah, for photos.
And so this guy in the Passion of the Christ, Jim Caviezel,
Caviezel, like kind of the same feeling of seeing him on the big
screen, like just it literally in from the beginning to just
seeing like you're saying, the scared man, you know, kind of
like begging God, like really, do we have to do this?
Why do we have to do this? You know, what's the, you know,
it's obviously so important that he does this, but just as a man,
you're like, really like, there's no other way.
Yeah, it's just powerful when he's like.
And he nails. It yeah, when he you know, ask
God, I think the the line of my Bible, I think it says can you
something wrong along the lines of I'm paraphrasing this like
can you take this cup from me, the cup that I have to drink of
doing this deed to save everybody sins.
He's like, can you please take this cup from me?
But I will do your will, not mine.
It's like, I don't want to do this.
If I don't have to do this, please save me.
But if this is your will, I'll do it.
Yeah. So you know he's asking for
something, but still turning to God and saying I'm going to do
what you want me. To do yeah, I it's interesting
to to to see the human aspect from 1:00.
This was not my recommendation for Easter.
Don't know why it wasn't my recommendation.
I wanted to watch the the Martin Scorsese film.
The last temptation of Christ. Right, with Willem Dafoe.
And I think we should at some point, maybe not for Easter,
although I don't know really what it looks like, but it is an
interesting thought to think of like the man side of Jesus
having a temptation to like, kind of imagine this, you know,
what if I had just not been the Son of God?
What if I could have just married Mary and had a family,
You know, just thinking of that. And I don't know, it's just
interesting that, like, I, I've seen that that was like a very
controversial film when it came out.
Like people were burning theatres because they were like,
you know, like hardcore Catholics were like burning
theatres. Blasphemy.
Yeah. But in this film, you still see
that he does not want to do it. So it makes sense that like,
maybe that is something that could have happened, you know,
just just to the man's side of them.
The one thing I'll say I don't from the Bible, I don't think
Jesus would have had that temptation only because with the
Sermon on the Mount, what he preaches is like, if you, you
know, yes, murders. I'm paraphrasing all this.
If murder is a sin, yes, but I say if you have hatred in your
heart towards your brother, you committed murder.
It's the same thing. It's in your heart.
So if Jesus has lust for a woman, he's sinning as equally
as if he did the ACT. Jesus is a sinless man.
So, you know, I don't think that would have been in reality.
I don't think that would have been one.
Of those tactics. And that's not even that, that's
not what I'm saying. I'm just saying like it would be
interesting to kind of look into like that interpretation.
Yeah, I mean it. It tells you at the beginning of
that movie. I'm pretty sure this is a
fictional thing. It's not based on the Gospels.
This is a fictional story about Jesus.
Because that's not, I don't even think that's the first time
Scorsese or that might have been the first time.
But like, that wasn't the last time that he touched
Christianity as like a topic for a film.
He did one with Andrew Garfield, which I, I do want to watch.
And I think it's about, you know, kind of martyrs for
Christianity. Because Scorsese is a Catholic.
Is he? I don't think I knew that.
I believe he is silence. That's right.
What's it about? 217th century Portuguese
missionaries Father Sebastian Rodriguez, Andrew Garfield and
Father Francisco Garupe Adam Driver embark on a perilous
journey to Japan to find their missing mentor, Liam Neeson.
While they're the two men minister to the Christian
villagers who worship in secret, if caught by feudal Lords or
riddling samurai, they must renounce their faith or face a
prolonged and agonizing death. Interesting.
Might need to watch that. What if it's a true story?
I don't know, I've only seen. Historical fiction inspired by
real events and figures in the 17th century Japan, but not a
legitimate just basically things that happened.
Yeah, yeah. We might have to check that out.
Yeah, so this movie was an insane set.
Let me just give you here's some insane facts about the Passion
of the Christ. So no studio wanted to make this
movie, including 20th Century Fox said no.
Columbia Pictures said no. Metro Goldwyn Mayer said no.
Paramount Pictures, no Universal Studios, Disney.
Warner Brothers said no because I thought it was too
controversial, too bloody, too violent.
They don't want to. They don't want to promote
Jesus. They don't want to.
So Mel Gibson funded it himself. He spent $30 million of his own
money to make this movie through his own production company and
then $15 million on marketing. So he went out of pocket to make
this movie. So he's 45 deep. 45 deep with
his money, including his company, which I mean I guess is
his money. And he also can't get anybody to
just put the movie out and get a distributor.
That nobody wanted to distribute except for one company that
distributed. There's another like kind of pro
Christian movie, can't remember what it was, Dang.
I'd heard about it, but I also like essentially there was only
one distributor. Yeah, distributor.
And he is pretty small. Yeah, they only did like 2
movies before this. Yeah, I think they only
distributed 2 movies before they did The Passion of the Christ.
Yeah, obviously the studios were upset they didn't say yes
because it was the highest grossing R rated movie of all
time at the time it made it made.
I have it right here, $611 million worldwide.
Of a of a $30 million. Budget In two days it made back
its budget. The first day it made $28
million and within two days the budget was saved.
Like they they made enough money to cover their budget.
Insane. So when Mel Gibson asked Jim
Caviezo to pick to play Jesus, he tried to talk him out of it
at first because he said, listen, if you're going to play
Jesus, Holly was no longer going to give you jobs.
You're going to struggle for a long time.
But he felt Jim Cabeza felt called to do it when he was a
child. He had some they didn't get in
the details of this, but he had something happened to him
traumatically. He ran away and like wanted to
kill himself, like he didn't want to live anymore.
And he prayed to God. He asked like, what is my
purpose? And he was I think he was in a
movie theater and he said he felt this presence of God come
over him and said, you, your purpose is to be an actor.
So he's like, OK, never done anything acting before, so it
became an actor and so it's. Also an interesting profession
for God to to say because like if you make it as an actor,
you're going to be exploited to a very sinful life.
Like if you do well, right, you know, tell you about, like,
yeah, yeah, like you're going to have the devil right behind you
if you make it in this. And so he remembered this when
Mel Gibson asked him, and he said this must be why.
I was called to be an actor to play Jesus in this movie, and
when he's on the phone with Mel Gibson when they were talking
about it, did I have to do this movie?
I'm 33 years old, the same age as Jesus was, and my initials
are JC and Mel Gibson goes You're scaring me and hangs up
the phone. Sorry, I'm only hearing that Mel
Gibson's voice. Yeah, watching Jimmica Beasel
recount that he like, imitates Mel Gibson and it's perfect.
Like literally exactly how Mel Gibson.
That's awesome. Also showing that he's a really
good actor too. Yes, true.
And so then Jim went on to have one of the most brutal roles in
movie history. He lost 45 lbs during the shoot.
He started off at 2:10 and by the end of the shoot he weighed
168. Damn he he's kind of a unit.
Yeah, 210, Yeah. Whoa man, a little bit jacked.
Yeah, dude, I'm like watching him and I again, like I get
nervous. I just start like making jokes
in my head, but like I was just watching Jesus, like carry that
cross. And I was like, no, he couldn't
dude. Like dude, what?
That's skinny. That's skinny boy beating half
to death, way more than half to death.
And I was like, I don't even think he could live 225.
Yeah, he's like 80% to death after that beating, gouging
they. Can't.
They can't carry that cross. That's the God side coming out
of him. The man side couldn't do that.
Yeah, true. Anyways, Yeah.
Yeah. He's skinny boy in this film.
How tall is he? 62, All right, Yeah, he's really
skinny. Two yeah yeah 6.
Two Yeah, 160. Eight.
Yeah, that's OK. 210, I guess isn't you're fit at at six,
you're not Jack jacked, but you're just you're built.
You're built. You're looking, Yeah.
When Jim was giving the Sermon on the Mount, when they filmed
that scene, he was struck by lightning.
He was rushed to the hospital, right?
What are we talking about? What are we talking about?
He said when he was, you can hear him recount this.
It's better than I could do, but he was.
The clouds are everywhere. He felt like he could touch the
clouds because they were so low. And he said it felt like
mystical. And then?
How did the first AD not say this is not the best time to
start shooting I. Don't know another guy the the
cinematographer got struck by lighting too, holding an
umbrella. Multiple people are getting
struck by lightning. Yep, that doesn't happen by the
way. But he said he stood there and,
like, felt the suction of the air because that's what happens.
There's a vacuum and he felt that suction.
The next thing you know, he's out.
Yeah, that's typically how it goes when you get struck by
lightning. He was unharmed in the fact
there was no lasting damage I don't believe.
But he was rushed to the hospital and while the while
he's on the table he died. The doctors brought him back and
he said he could see everything that was happening to him but he
didn't feel anything. And he said he felt the most
peace and love he's ever felt in his life.
And he felt closer to God after that, which brought him more
spiritually inclined into this movie.
He already was a believer already was called to do this.
But he said him feeling that love and peace, which was the
same kind of sensation that he felt when he was called in that
movie theater as a kid to be an actor, He said he felt just like
peace, security and love and was called to be an actor.
He said he felt the same thing when he died.
It's like that's what he he almost saw what was coming to us
after we die. And so that brought him closer
to God. And he continued on with the
with the shoot. So he died and came back to
life. You know who else they've had?
The guy, he's playing like the guy.
Wow, You know, it's one of those things like I'm not going to
doubt it. I'm just saying like I could
understand why people would doubt the the truth in a lot of
that but. Of of Caviezel.
You're Jesus, not Jesus. Yeah.
The, the actors. Yeah.
Caviezel. Is that his last name?
Caviezel. Caviezel.
Like, I could understand why people you could doubt, like the
him dying at the hospital, even though I bet there's probably a
record of that. But one thing you can doubt is
like him being struck by lightning on a mountain top in
front of a set, a movie set. That's a lot of witnesses.
Like a lot of witnesses. Yeah.
Did you say the the DP was shark as well?
Earlier in the set of earlier in the shoot, I believe he he was
holding an umbrella and it just kind of burned his.
Hand yeah, but like, yeah, you can't just you can't just lie
about that, right? There would be multiple people
that would probably come out and say Nah, no, what?
But I mean, that's insane. Insane during the flogging scene
when Jesus is getting whipped, when how they filmed that is
they had him on the chains with a little boulder that he's
chained to and behind him was this shield that would protect
his back, protect his back. And so the actors would hit the
the shield like the little thing behind the shield behind his
back instead of hitting him. But twice the actors missed and
swept his back, and he has a 14 inch scar on his back from
getting whipped because they're swinging hard.
Can't take that either. Can't take that either.
They're swinging hard so he literally got whipped in the
back during the shoot. Bro.
He dislocated his shoulder while carrying the cross because.
Is that shown on camera? That's when his arm gets pulled.
I don't think that's. OK.
I think that's. I think he just straightened his
arm, OK. Because but you knew what I was
talking about. Yes, when they actually
dislocate his arm to, yeah, nail his hand to the cross.
Yeah. So he dislocated his shoulder
while carrying the cross because Mel Gibson wanted to have some
weight to the actual cross. That kind of out of the realism
of how heavy the cross was. That sounds like something Mel
Gibson would do, yeah. Yeah, just thinking back to the
South Park. Oh gosh.
Oh no. It took, it took weeks to film
the crucifixion scene in freezing cold weather.
It was cold, super cold weather when they filmed that when he's
up on the cross and it took weeks for him to do that.
He's shirtless and so we had to hang on the cross for hours
while his hands were tied up and he was sitting on a small little
bicycle seat to kind of hold him up.
He contracted pneumonia and hyperthermia and struggle to say
his lion because he was shaking so bad.
And there's a scene where at the very end he is, you can tell his
skin. It's you see it through the like
all the makeup of the blood and the gashes on his body, but his
face and like a little bit of his arm, it's a bluish hue that
wasn't makeup or any type of CGI.
That was literally his skin was blue because he was actually
going into asphyxiation. He's just a prey of oxygen being
up on the cross for so long because his arms are spread
wide. Oh yeah, yeah, I.
Can't breathe that well, but he's up there for hours in the
freezing cold so he couldn't breathe very well and so he was
literally turning blue. The things that you can get away
with on any film set anyways. Yeah right.
Wow. After the movie he had two heart
surgeries due to the lightning and the prolonged hypothermia
stress on his body. 2 heart surgeries because of this movie.
I I don't even know what to say. I heard a little bit about this.
I definitely I heard about the lightning strike That was it.
So this is kind of madness. I almost don't believe you.
It's. A lot.
It's a lot to this movie. Don't believe?
You and some cool things. Is that the guy that played Bear
Bear Bus? His name is Petro Sarubi.
Whatever. Airbus Oh, the murderer.
Yeah, the murderer. The one that there was like,
give him to us. Yes he converted to Christianity
after this movie because he felt so-called.
He has AI believe. He was quoted saying on the
scene during that when he was staring at Jim you know Jesus
looks at Baribus with a very kind eyes.
He said he felt like it was almost like looking at Jesus's
eyes and like there was no hatred, just pure love in the
look that kind of made him feel weird.
And then after this, he turned to Christianity.
The guy that played Judas, Luco Lionello, he was an atheist
before shooting the movie and turn to Christianity after
shooting it. And there's a powerful piece of
direction that Mel Gibson gave him.
When Judas is kicked out of the city by the kids and he's
tormented and he looked at the donkey that's rotting and he
starts crying. Mel Gibson told him, When you
look at that rotting donkey, I want you to think my soul was in
a worse condition than that is. And they filmed it, and the next
day he starts crying. And so that kind of stuff
brought him. That's really good directing by
Mel Gibson. Yeah, that's, that's really,
really incredible. This is a side note, but I like
the touch of, you know, Judas's lips keep getting worse because
he just is like constantly rubbing the kiss off.
He's like, I can't believe I did that.
He's like rubbing it on rocks and just trying to wipe Jesus,
you know, the kiss he gave Jesus off his face because he just
feels so much regret what he did.
And then like we said, the movie grossed $611 million worldwide
and became the highest grossing R rated movie of all time.
I. Bet there were.
I bet there were like a few people that left this set and
probably had a lot to think about.
I bet there were like multiple people that converted or at
least started taking it more seriously or even at the very
least probably stopped making so many Jesus jokes.
It was like, dude, like, you know, we, we work in the film
industry and like the sets that I'm working on, it's not the
worst thing in the world, but like there are a lot of people
that just don't believe in it. And it's so, I mean,
Christianity, I think everybody understands like that's the,
that's like the religion that people make fun of, like all the
time, you know, and it's the one that like you can kind of get
away with. It's a yeah.
It's more socially tolerable, yeah.
So like just working on film sets, like it it definitely you
hear it like a lot. I feel like that's because it's
true. I know.
It's allowed to get made fun of. It's.
Been really, like, not trying to get too personal here, but it's
definitely because, like, I was raised in like a very, very
Christian household, but I always had just doubts.
Like literally from the moment I heard the story from what I can
remember. We all do.
Yeah. Like I was like a kid like, and
I feel like when you're a kid, you just kind of believe
anything, but I just remember like being a little kid and
hearing it and no, not really buying that.
But I also remember one of the big messages was that like when
you go out into the world and enter it, you know, as an adult,
you're going to like, and this is like when I was a kid, it was
like, they're going to make fun of it and they're going to laugh
at you. And all those since I've dove
into the industry again, it's, it's not like a terrible,
horrible thing, but it is interesting to see like how much
it is mocked, like quite a decent amount from what I've
seen. And the more that I hear people
mock it, the more I'm like, wait a minute, OK, Like something
something's up here. And then you telling me kind of
the back story of, of not the back story, but like all the
behind the scenes of, I mean, crazy details.
It's just one of those things where it's like, OK, maybe you
don't believe in Christianity. Maybe you're an atheist.
Maybe what? It doesn't matter.
I just don't understand how you could hear things like this and
then just be in full denial of something's up.
Yeah, something's afoot. I think it, yes, something is
afoot. Yeah, I think it's CS Lewis, a
famous Christian writer. He said The story, the story of
the Bible in Jesus, it's either not important at all.
If it didn't happen, it's not true.
It's not important at all if it did happen.
It's extremely important. The one thing it can't be is
like modern important. It's like it can't be, man.
If it's true. It's it's the truth you have.
To I've never heard of this. If it's not true, then it
doesn't. Matter I love yeah, you can't be
man you. Can't be man on the story.
Yeah. And, you know, just, I mean, the
story itself is crazy because I I don't know of like the major
religions in the world, like is Jesus British?
Is he, he's the only one that dies and comes back to life, I
think of major religions. I don't know.
He's a prophet in Islam. He's in he's, he's highly
regarded in Islam. They don't believe he's God.
They don't believe that God could be a human.
But the argument to that is that God can do whatever he wants.
Yeah, right. So God can make a God can make
100%, man 100%. Human, I think.
Yeah, OK. Sorry 100% man 100.
Percent God, I think that was, you know, again, like I've kind
of fallen off the wagon of keeping up with the studies of
of Christianity. I think it's one of those things
that definitely happens, like when you leave the nest of your
hometown, you know, you go to college and there's just not for
me, like there wasn't much God in college.
They were like, you had the ability.
Sure. It's like kind of get into
ANYWAYS and then you enter adult world.
Like I literally, you know, have entered adult world and it's
just kind of hard to think about.
All right, I got to pay as many bills as I can, but also save
enough to like live a nice life that I'd like to and then also
make it to church on time. It's just hard.
But I think a lot of people go through that.
But I don't know, just seeing stuff like this, it's crazy.
But anyways, I say all that to say that like I've totally
forgot that the Pharisees saw him as a prophet.
It's mentioned. He was a He's a teacher.
Yeah, they like they listen to him, they accepted him.
I think they in the movie, like they're talking about he was a
prophet. But then they get pissed that he
says I'm not a prophet, I am the Messiah.
They were going to be OK if he was just a prophet, just for,
you know, prophesizing things. But he said I'm not a prophet.
I am the son of God. Yes, I am also God.
Yeah, you know, I'm I'm the holy truth.
Everything. I totally forgot that.
Totally forgot that. And but and the actor that plays
Pasta's pilot in this, I think he does a really good job of
like the confliction because again, it's one of those things
like whenever I remember the story, I always think pilot bad.
No, he's just like he's in the worst possible predicament.
He's at the he's at the the whim of the crowd.
Yeah, he has to do it because the crowd's like calling him to
do it. He's a very reasonable man, but.
He for a man, Yeah. Like in the Bible, he's like,
this is not on me. His blood is not on my hands.
It's on y'all's hands. And it's, you know, in the
movie, he turns to his guy, says do what they want right now.
I didn't ask you to do this. Yeah, even though he kind of
does. But, you know, he's he's he's
like, why do you want me to kill this man?
He's done nothing wrong. Yeah.
What are y'all talking about? But they, you know.
And then you and then you pointed out in the film,
whenever they say like, oh, he said, don't don't pay the
Romans, like right, Like don't pay taxes.
That's a bold faced lie. Yeah, when he was getting
questioned, they're trying to, they're trying to get Jesus
into, they're trying to get him in a they're trying to set a
trap for him, see what he would do.
So they could try to trap him into saying something negative
to them. They could turn turn him over to
the Romans like he said this. But when they asked him about
taxes or do you pay the Romans, he said, can you give me a coin?
He's like, it's a Caesar coin. He's like, whose face is this?
They said Caesar's. So give Caesar's give Caesar
what's his and give God what's his.
So I don't care. This world is not of.
This is not. This world is not of the Lord.
That's what I keep saying. The world is not of the Lord.
Yeah, the world is not like God does not care about the sinful
world. He does care about it.
But you know what I'm saying? Like the things, the politics of
this world, God's not there to orchestrate that.
He's here to save your soul. Yeah.
He's about your spirit. So I'm glad you said that
because so oh, so another thing you mentioned that this is like
the highest. Grossing R rated movie yeah.
And it's not even in English. Just yeah.
Language. Like what?
But one of the quotes that like, just, you know, just really
stuck out to me is whenever Jesus is meeting, Pasha's pilot
really shows like how important this is.
Like, because I think everybody knows they've been hearing about
Jesus. It has reached kind of the
mainland, you know, it is everybody has heard the whispers
everything. And so pilot meeting him for the
first time and like having these conversations and what Jesus
says clearly important. And so he says and I wrote it
down so I might have not actually gotten it accurate, but
he says my Kingdom is not of this world.
If it were, do you think my followers would have let me be
turned in something along those lines?
I just what what exactly exactly does he mean by that?
Does he mean like, because Jesus has been seen by his followers
to perform miracles? And so I feel like when you see
a miracle, you see Jesus, like heal a blind person or bring
somebody back to life. Or heals Heals the ear of the
guy that's trying to capture. Him.
Is that in the Bible? Let me talk about Simon or
Simon. Peter slashes a guy's ear
protecting Jesus and he says stop, then heals the man's ear.
OK, I just say you can't just throw that one in there now.
Yeah. But it's just one of those
things where he says my Kingdom is not of this world.
If it were, would you think, do you think my people would have
let me be captured, Something along those lines?
But like, if you've witnessed this, you know that what he's
talking about is real, even if it's not of this world.
Yeah. So I just, I don't know.
I was it. Was Kingdom's heaven, right?
This kingdom's not the world yet.
You know Jesus comes back and makes the world in heaven 1
again. Yeah.
And you know, in Revelations, right?
So the kingdom's not of the world.
He's not here to be a king on this earth.
He's here to be a king in heaven.
And he wants to save everybody on earth so they can come join
him in heaven. OK.
And his follower, like not everybody there is his follower
because they don't know, they don't have faith in him.
And so I think that's what he's, that's what he's saying.
OK. And then because.
Because the guy's asking like, are you a king?
He's like, my king is not of this world.
I am a king, but not of this world.
Yeah. That's, you know, he's just he's
always kind of talking in metaphors are kind of vaguely
about that because he's not trying to.
He's not saying I'm a I'm a king here to rule.
Because his whole thing is like your definition of a king is
literally how you live your life.
Too, Because I believe back in this time there's one sect of
the Jews that they're called zealots and they believe the
Messiah would come back and start a war and be like their
king that would like crush the Roman Empire, kill the Roman
Empire and take over and and restore Israel.
They thought he'd be more like a war figure.
OK. One of the disciples was a
zealot who joined thinking that Jesus was supposed to be a
warrior. OK, But Jesus, like, makes him
get rid of his sword. And he's like, we're not, we're
not fighting with swords. He's like, what?
What do you mean you're the Messiah?
He's like, that's not what we do.
That's not what it is. You're wrong.
It's with. Love, yeah, with love, yeah, The
story is just about how just the.
The true scope of like, actual love.
Like, what are you willing to do for love?
Yeah, Jesus takes it to the maximum.
Yeah, that's why, again, this this film really caught me off
guard because I thought it was going to be just like the most
realistic humanized version of the crucifixion.
Did not realize that there were. I didn't know that Satan
appeared in this film. Yeah.
That's not in the Bible, but that's that's another creative
liberty. No, no, yeah, I, I like it.
Yeah, it's, I mean, you could part of it, it's kind of like
maybe a symbol is when they're beating Jesus and the devil's
walking behind. It's almost like Satan like
entered them to punish Jesus as much as possible.
You know, that kind of, that's kind of how I took it as the
devil's there. He's like empowering them to put
as much damage as possible into him because they went, I mean,
in the movie they went overboard like they're like, what do you?
I said punish him, not scourge him to death, you know, So they
went overboard with the the scourging and the whipping.
No. That's what like, you know, Mel
Gibson with the creative liberties that he has, I think
you can get away with it just given what he shows.
But like I, I, the, the shot of Satan walking by and he has the,
the baby in his arms. Like you can I, I was thinking
about that. Like you could interpret it as
like, I mean, you're supposed to question it, I think.
And I think the question, the questions for me was like, OK,
are we saying that men are born evil or are we saying that men
inevitably do an evil act at one point?
In which case you need Jesus Christ, you know, if you believe
in him to be your savior, Like that's what's going to separate
you from the Son of God is that like you, you inevitably will do
something in your life that was just not good and truly not
good. It, it, it was the downfall of
you or people that surrounded you.
And the only way that you can really like, do right, make
right with yourself is to like kind of accept the Lord.
I feel like that was what Mel Gibson was saying with that
particular scene, because the baby is amongst the crowd of
men, you know, who have been, you know, children, you know,
raised by fathers and mothers, you know, innocent, good
children. And then now they have become
men that are doing like the most evil thing.
It's also, you know, it's also like a simpler version just
where it's like a freaky thing where you're like, whoa.
What is that baby? That baby showed up.
Wow. Yeah.
So it's kind of, it just makes you uncomfortable, kind of
showing you like something scary to kind of make you feel the
evil. Yeah, something that, yeah,
exactly like. So even if you didn't have an
interpretation of it, just the way that that looks in what's
happening, you're like, this is like something is extremely dark
right now, you know, and like on a spiritual level, like things
are very, very wrong. So I did like that.
I thought that was really creative.
Another thing that really, really caught me off guard.
I'm, I'll give the credit to Mel Gibson or the DP, whoever.
I think it's like it for me, it might be the most genius shot of
the whole film. And it is how he ends it with
the rolling of the stone. And you just follow the shadow
and you're seeing the darkness take over the light, or so you
believe. And it just, and it's slow too,
and it shows the whole cave and it looks like the darkness is
taking over all of the light. Then it gets to Jesus's clothes,
which is where his body should be.
And it's not the rock closing, it's it opening.
You thought it was closing, and then it opens and then the light
just expands and that's how they end the film.
And I saw that and I thought, whoa, that was like the perfect
way to wrap that film. That's the perfect ending to the
perfect ending. Like so I just thought that was
genius. Yeah, because you watch a brutal
movie and then hope at the end. I think it's hilarious.
Yeah. Now that we're getting.
So, you know, Mel Gibson has talked about like, are they in
production for the sequel right now?
I don't know if they're shooting it, but they have the script
ready. Like they're ready to shoot.
Yeah. Like, yeah, they might be.
It's just funny because when I heard that hadn't seen the
movie, hadn't seen the Passion of the Christ yet.
So I was like, how are they going to do a sequel?
What then I watch this in the way that they end it.
I was like, oh, he left it with the.
With the whole other half the story.
He left the audience. That's not the help with the
story, but you know, yeah, the ending.
Yeah. He left it with, like, kind of a
cliffhanger. Yeah.
I was like, what's he going to do next?
Yeah. Like, even if you weren't a
believer or maybe if somehow you hadn't heard this story.
Sure. And then, like, at the end of
it, it's like, wait a minute, he's alive.
Yeah. You know, So that's pretty that
that was actually kind of funny. One of my favorite details is
when Jesus is about to die on the cross and he says, Father in
your hands I commend my spirit and then his.
They made his peoples dilate, which is a sign of death because
your entire body relaxes. So, you know, adding in the
dilation and showing you that's when he died, you know, just
after he says I commend my spirit to you than his people's
dialect and he dies. That's just like a cool detail
to like focus on and have that be a close up of his eyes.
His his eyes. That actor has like the most
insane eyes. Well he has blue eyes and they
digitally altered them to be brown.
That's why they look golden and you can tell sometimes when he
moves like they don't track it very well.
So like you can see like the the little brown spot that they
change the hue. It like shifts like a little bit
off his eyes sometimes. OK, Dang.
You thought he just had some insane eyes.
Those were like the most insane eyes I've ever seen.
I was like, if he was really born with those.
Oh, man. I mean, that's not like the
worst thing in the world. Oh, something.
And the whole time I was watching, I was like, dude, I I
understand he's playing Jesus and maybe have a little bias
here, but are those not like the most gorgeous eyes ever?
I was like, that's insane that like, they look like that and
he's playing Jesus. Speaking of his eyes, one thing
I forgot to mention about Jim Cabezo's Trouble on set was
because for half of the movie he has this prosthetic of his eye
being swollen from being beat, so he only saw through one eye
through the shoot, long shoot. And so he suffered from
migraines because his depth perception was off.
Oh. So his eyes hurt like, you know,
his eyes were, his eye was straining.
So he's having migraines the entire time he was filming this
too? Just even more pain.
Yeah, he suffered for it, but he went through it to make the
movie. Did I got I I got hit on the
shin yesterday and it hurts so bad like so bad.
It was one of those were like it it hit.
It was like cart. I was helping the VTR cart like
move. It fell off a step and it hit me
right in the shin. And it was one of those where I
was like, OK, like I already started like, but it hadn't hit.
And I was like, I know it's going to hit.
Then it hit and I was like, wait, like, it's actually bad.
Like that hurts so bad. So then we watched this film and
I was like feeling sorry for myself.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, golly, that hurt.
Like that really sucked. And you watch this and when they
nail through the shin, maybe he went.
So I was like, all right, shut up, Gray, Mel got.
Up So Mel Gibson said when Jesus is getting out of the cross,
those are his hands hitting the nail.
Mel Gibson was one that did the hammer nail on the cross.
Oh wow. Because he said, it's my sins
that put Jesus up on this cross, So I want to do it.
It's like, you know, a metaphor of like his sins, all of our
sins put Jesus on the cross. So like, he wanted to take the
responsibility of like, actually nailing him to the cross by, you
know, taking ownership of his sinful life.
That's cool. I mean, again, like kind of good
direction. I think even just for the
filmmaking purposes, like I, I do believe that Mel Gibson
believes in what he's saying in that moment.
He's a hardcore Catholic. But also just in the sense of
like, if you really want to pull this off, everybody on that crew
has to be on board so to do that.
And I don't know when they would have done it.
And I'm just saying like APA on a set, they like could be
goofing off and that sort of thing.
When you see the director do something like that, that like
kind of just shifts the whole mood.
So even though Mel Gibson like meant that in his heart, it was
also just a very genius director's way of like, getting
the whole crew to be like, this isn't a joke, right?
This is what we're doing. This isn't some BS comedy film.
This isn't a commercial that nobody's going to watch.
We need to understand that nobody wants us to make this
movie. They're at least the higher ups
won't. But when we do and show the
brutality of it, which we are going to, people are going to
watch, people are going to criticize it.
They're going to look for, you know, the acting was corny, all
that sort of thing. But if we do this, this is this
is going to be a very important film.
Like you have to get serious. I just think like doing
something like that, that's a really good way to set the tone
and really like reiterate your point of this is not another,
this is not any other movie that you'll ever work on again.
Right. He also had on set to kind of
help that seriousness, their priests on set to help guide Mel
Gibson and telling the story correctly and just being there
as a, you know, somebody to talk to.
But they also did the priest would do confessions with people
instead if they wanted it. I think they even did, like,
church services for people on set.
So the priests are, like, working with the crew if they
wanted to connect with God, you know, through the priest because
he's a Catholic. So he brought in the Catholic
priest to come and kind of be there is like the spiritual
guide of the set. Yeah.
Which is cool because I got news for you buddy.
Like he looks so real on camera. He looks just as real if not
more real in real life. Hair, makeup on this, they're
good. They're really good at their
job. Like when you see somebody go
through that transformation as an actor and then they come out
of the trailer and he puts on a performance like that while
looking like that. That would get to you on set for
sure. While he's also in pain, been
suffering the entire time but still putting on 100% effort.
People are getting struck by lightning.
I'm sorry. But like, I bet that changed
everybody on that crew like that.
Everybody walked away and they're like, OK, something's
definitely up. We have a lot to talk about,
like you know. I think it took, it took Jim
Caviezel 10 hours to put that makeup on, if everything.
On his body. Gosh, I I bet.
Yeah. So we get like 3 hours of sleep
every night. So he was just sleep deprived as
well during the set. But sometimes because it took so
long and it was so rigorous to get this makeup on every single
day that he would just go to bed with it on like he's didn't.
They just didn't ruin the makeup.
He just would like lay in bed, probably still.
Dude, honestly, at that point, yeah, I respect.
It I mean you have to sit 10 hours every day sitting in a
chair getting. Also, I mean, it's just going to
be good, like method acting too, you know, You know, in a way.
Yeah, And then another cool shot is the the shot of Jesus lying
in Mary's arms as she kind of stares at the camera, almost
like questioning the audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why'd you, why'd you, why'd you do this to my son?
Yeah. Sins of the World.
That's direct inspiration from Michelangelo's statue called La
Pieta, which is Mary holding Jesus dead.
Like, literally did the exact same thing.
So like, he used that Michelangelo statues, like one
of the final shots of Jesus, you know, dead there under his
cross, which is, that's a cool call to that statue.
Yeah. Now that is when this came out.
OK, so it did well financially, but did people enjoy this film?
Like for the most part, this also had to have pissed people
off. It was generally pretty well
praised, especially by, like, Catholics, and people felt like
it was a honest and true depiction of what happened.
So it was pretty well received. I mean, it made $611 million.
Right, but. People watch it every Good
Friday, yeah. So I think it's generally pretty
well received. Oh, did they drop it like around
Easter? I feel like that would have been
pretty smart, yeah. February 25th.
So. Close.
Well, not. Close.
Not, Not really well. Oh, Ash Wednesday, there we go.
There's really some Ash Wednesday that year.
Yeah, Controversial. Is that?
Yeah. Look, I don't think it's much of
A secret that a lot of Jewish people are pretty high up in
Hollywood, so I bet they didn't like this.
That was the. Controversy.
I don't think they like seeing their people be the ones that
like, brutally killed you. That was a controversy.
They yeah, people were saying that it was anti-Semitic.
There's too many anti-Semitic themes in the movie because it's
they were saying it's just blaming it all on the Jewish
people. I wouldn't say that.
I think it's definitely blaming it more on just humanity.
Yeah, it's, yeah. I mean, the story is not about
the Jewish people. Jesus was a Jew.
Yeah. Jews converted to Jesus after he
came, he made the new covenant, but it was the Pharisees and the
higher up religious leaders that were at fault for doing this
because they didn't believe he was the because what Jesus was
doing in the whole time is that he was changing what they were
saying. Like they would preach things,
but he's like, you're wrong. Like you're doing this as a, as
a service to yourself and you're just, you're parading what
you're, what you're speaking like that's not true because
they would, Jesus would do things like he would do a
miracle on the Sabbath. You're not supposed to do
anything on the Sabbath. That was like the old Jewish
law. But Jesus is like, so I can't do
he was like you. If somebody's dying, you can't
save them because of the Sabbath.
That doesn't make any sense. Like you're not, you're not
realizing what the text is actually trying to say.
You're just living by strict code.
Oh, are you talking about like, quite literally, like if you're
some sort of, I don't really know how good doctors would have
been in this time. Can't imagine they were
incredible. Right.
But you're saying, like, if I'm a doctor and I have the ability
to save somebody, I can't because it's a Sunday?
Right. So Jesus was like flipping the
things on their head and and changing and, and revealing the
truth to what the texts are trying to say.
So they didn't like it because they were undermining their he
was undermining their authority, which they feel like they were
the top dogs. They're the leaders.
Yeah. So they hated him for that.
Also, it's work. Yeah.
And it's working. People are like actually
flocking to them. I do, yeah.
And I mean, they, they show a pretty good job.
Like I think before the movie you're just kind of shown him
with small intimate moments, but they do show how big his
following is whenever he is on top of this mountain.
And he sang your entire life I've taught you or you've been
taught to love your neighbor, hate your enemy or love your
friends, hate your enemy. But I tell you to love your
enemy as well. And that like, yeah, that goes
against. For sure.
Rome, right? He's like taking things.
To a new level, yeah. Rome is just on the whole
conquest of like, well, we want everybody to be Roman.
Yeah, because he used to be eye for an eye.
He's like, no, not eye for an eye.
They say do something bad to you, do something good to them.
Yeah, that's the reward. That's how you're a godly.
Person yeah, if you get slapped, turn the other cheek.
What? Right.
Crazy. Yeah, dude, I powerful film and
I'm not, you know, not even as as a Christian.
I for sure. But even if you're not this very
intense, this is a very, very well done film.
It is an interesting point in the opening when Jesus is
they're praying and worried and he's there's blood on his face
like he's sweating blood. That's in the Bible.
Jesus was so worried he was sweating blood, which is a rare
real phenomenon to where if you're under an extreme amount
of stress, the blood vessels in your face can pop and then you
start to sweat blood. This would call for that.
Yeah. So it's a legitimate thing,
which, you know, he's, that's why he's sweating blood at the
beginning, because he was literally.
So he's under so much stress of what he's about to do.
Yeah, that he's sweating blood. Not even foreshadowing.
Yeah, crazy. That's crazy.
I don't really know. How do we rate this film?
I don't think so. I don't think we rate this film.
I'm glad we were In Sync on that.
Yeah, I was. Well, we're going to do 8.7.
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of the film editing, the
cinematography. It's just honestly, again, like
it is a really well done film, but I think putting out an
episode the day after Easter about the crucifixion of Jesus
and somehow either one of us, yeah, somehow either one of us
don't give it a 10 out of 10, right?
I don't want to offend anybody in that regard.
It's also, I just think it's I, I do think it's just too
important of a film. It's also it's not a movie
that's a standard storyline. It's not like a three act
structure and like the character changed at the end and like, you
know, there's a theme throughout it that that overcomes the end.
That's not it's it's retelling what happened visually.
Yeah. So it's it's, you know, it's not
not a standard movie that we would rate, right?
No powerful movie. It was, I know it was brutal,
but watching it's just different and just visualizing, again,
like I was saying in the beginning, it's just seeing it
visually really changes the way you read the book.
Yeah, I'm sure. Because you, yeah, I mean,
you've definitely dove into your journey, like a lot more yeah
than I have a lot of people. Working for a little bit, just,
you know, college, everything just distracted.
Oh yeah, and then. Getting married, having a child
turns you back to the. Lord, I don't do it.
I don't do it. Go back to the Lord.
But yeah man, happy Easter. Happy Easter, hope you had a
good Easter Sunday. Hope you guys enjoyed family
time if you had it. Hopefully you enjoyed this
episode and like obviously let us know kind of what else you
picked up on in this film. Again, since this is our first
time, I just we're so late to the party.
Like I, yes, I like, I definitely love to hear what
else we missed, what we misinterpreted, what we got
wrong. Yeah, I mean, they aren't aren't
biblical scholars, so we may have not said thing correctly,
but yeah, we're learning. This would be one of those where
I would enjoy coming back to it, having a little bit more
knowledge and maybe even having somebody that like literally
knows everything about this that lives for this.
So yeah, like maybe one day, but because it.
Is cool because again doesn't give you much back story so like
if you know a little bit of the back story there's little just
things that are dropped you're like oh I know what that's from
oh I know that that whole scene holds more weight because I know
what it is like Peter when he slices the guy's ear off that
that character and then when he denies Jesus three times Jesus
his name was Simon and Jesus changed his name to Peter so
you're going to notice Peter because.
That translates, you know, the original Peter name translates
to like foundation like stone because he was the strongest
follower yet he denied him three times and then seeing them all
run away, Jesus is captured, but they're all scared and run.
They leave him alone. You know it's like those things
are just even though they're his literally I've seen him do
miracles. In fact they have done miracles.
Jesus gave them the power to do miracles, and as they went off
and spread the word before this, it's like they know for a fact
what it is, yet they still leave him.
Yeah. You know, it's like those things
are just like, wow. Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, you know what? This'll this'll be my final
thought. I do like, no, Gibson does a
good job. There's like an actual, there's
a little bit of comedy relief in this film for me at least.
Here we go. No, I just you wouldn't believe
it, but there it is. I mean, it shows how brutal
everything is happening, you know, But it it cuts to Jesus
building a table. He's a Carpenter.
Everybody knows that. And he does the high table.
And then, yeah, Mary says, like, what are people supposed to
stand and eat? And he said no, but one day
people will have high chairs and high tables.
Guys haven't built them yet. Yeah, just kind of funny, just
in the sense of like, yeah, like he's God, he wouldn't know that.
He would know that like high tables are coming.
Yeah. Yeah, right.
I just thought that was like funny, just like a little kind
of poke at this. The fact that he was, he's God,
so he's not even ahead of his time.
He just knows everything. He's all time.
Yeah, he's all time. Yeah, he's top 2, not 2.
Wait, what? Top 2, not 2.
He's number one, He's all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I just kind of, oh, 'cause there's.
No, not to. Now I get it.
'Cause there's no way that's biblically accurate.
Is that in the Bible that Jesus call high?
No, no high top seating. No, but it's also nice seeing
like The Chosen does this and this movie did it a little bit
with him playing with his mom, like seeing him as a human, like
fun loving. He was cool, Yeah.
He was a cool guy. People actually enjoyed him.
He was not like some weird dude going around being like, I'm the
son of God. Yeah, I mean.
He was stirring on some things, but he was he's on the
embodiment of love, which means he had fun.
He played with people. Yeah, he was funny.
Yeah, and I thought they did a really good job just with kind
of that cutbacks and then just right back to the brutality.
Yeah, damn it. Yeah, enjoy it while you can.
Yeah, it's just those cutbacks that just make you feel the
weight of different things, like when you're in the meat of a of
him getting tortured, flashback to his mom and then back the
torture. Like, oh, dude.
Yeah. But yeah, powerful movie.
If you haven't seen it, I definitely recommend seeing it
if you stuck around this long. And yeah, again, let us know any
cool things you picked up to clear any your beliefs or
anything that you like about this movie.
We'd love to hear it. And as always, we'll see y'all
next week. We are out.