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In this episode, we are breaking down.
And literally just watched. Tropic Thunder.
This is your first time. Yeah, actually, I don't know
why. I've started it once before but
never finished it. I think it was late.
Maybe I just like fell asleep like right when it started.
I. Can't believe it took you this
long to get to this movie. And I only say that because
like, just controversy wise, you're a big like Joe Rogan guy.
What? It's not a controversial.
Movie. I know.
I thought you're trying to say that I want the controversy.
Oh. No, no, no, no, not for the
episode, just for the sake of like, you listen to Joe Rogan
and like, wasn't this one of his biggest episodes was whenever he
talked to? Was it with Robert Downey
Junior? You did have an episode with,
Yeah, Robert Downey Junior. Yeah, and they talked about this
and it was like a big thing. Yeah, You know, 'cause this is a
big movie. This is like I mean.
Star-studded cast. Star-studded cast?
Was it 2008? So OK.
Look, cancel culture isn't here. I don't even think it's close.
We're in the prime of comedy at this point.
Yeah. But still, this is, this is
pretty wild. This is pretty out there to
make, obviously, Yeah. Honestly though, yeah, I get why
it's controversial because obviously Robert Down Junior is
in blackface, but he's playing an actor that is willing to do
that. I understand there's like a
good. There's like separation in
reality. I absolutely understand
defending it and I obviously like under like I get it.
I get the joke, like I it doesn't offend me.
No, it's not me that's going to be offended.
It's but like, can you really expect a lot of people to
understand the joke while watching the movie?
I mean, obviously after, well, you're, you're depending on
people like being smart. And people always say, like this
movie, you can't make movies like this anymore.
You can make you can make a movie like this.
In fact, this summer I'm going into blackface.
I'm just look like when you're talking about the masses of
people, literally everybody, that's that's a hard bet to make
because what do we say? The people are retarded.
Can't go for a retard. Yeah, exactly.
And like here just another thing, I mean like saying retard
at this point I think you can get away with it coming back.
Yeah, but no, I meant like in 2008 one. 1000.
Percent. I guess you could, yeah.
There's been a. Short period of time where that
was like a no no word. Regardless, I'm I still think
it's always been a little controversial, like in
Hollywood. I guess I mean some people get
offended by it. Yeah, well, I think people have
always gotten offended. That's what I mean, yeah.
Yeah, and so to have Robert Downey Junior in blackface, drop
it like 100 times. He's also Iron Man.
He's like the head of the the Super, like the biggest.
Now I'm talking about now, but even back then, in 2008, is he
not? Iron Man?
Yeah, he is. That's pretty insane.
Like Marvel was like, what is he doing?
Like, you know, they heard that he was playing this role and
they're like, Iron Man. What?
Yeah, you we're we're building an entire franchise around this
guy. Like we plan he's a billionaire
because of these movies and. We're about to go extremely
politically correct. Yeah, and we're and we're going
deep. Like he we can't just replace
him. You know, people love Iron Man
because it's also like a comeback story for Robert Downey
Junior. Yeah, he's like finally got his
career like to a really good spot, blackface.
Yeah. So wow, that was so disgusting.
We just came out of a bar, but I was just, you know, so it's
crazy. The humor is perfect.
Ben Stiller is a genius for this movie.
It is awesome. He is making fun of everybody,
and if you get it, you get it. If you don't though.
It's funny 'cause it's like a silly comedy movie, but it also
kind of hits all like the Vietnam War movie or just war
movie in general tropes. It's so bad.
You got the music, got the helicopter flying in.
You have it opens on a crazy battle.
Even though it's a fictional battle, they're shooting the
movie, you know, it still was like Saving Private Ryan where
it's like blood's going everywhere.
Everybody's in shock. You know, you have them walking
through the wilderness, the rain, like he's like Rambo,
basically. They have like a Rambo shot.
Like it's a bunch of different tropes in the movie.
That's you have the one liners that Jack Black says.
You know, it's just very much it's all the war movie moments.
Like, 'cause you only see Jack Black do his character's voice,
like, I think twice. Yeah, he's like, when I get back
to that, I can't even do it. I can't.
I'm just going to accidentally do Robert Downey Junior.
Yeah, it's also, it's really funny seeing Jack Black play a
character like this, knowing his career mostly being like a kid
movie actor. Like he's 90% of his movies,
maybe like 80, but majority of his movies are him playing a
character for children. Yeah, in Kung Fu Panda.
He Jumanji. Minecraft movie.
Yeah, he's Bowser, I think, and Mario Bowser.
He did School of Rock. It's a great movie.
That's a great movie. I haven't seen it in forever but
like I think that Jack Black used to be casted as like a
villain in the 90s. Really.
I think I might be getting him mixed up with somebody else, but
I'm pretty sure I just saw this like a few days ago.
If we can look that. Up.
He has so many movies, it's going to be hard.
But like, just go look, kind of in the 90s, I think he played
almost like a bully, which is obviously weird for us to think
about because yeah, I definitely am just like, oh, that's Kung Fu
Panda and the Jumanji guy. Yeah, exactly.
But obviously, I mean, Tenacious D is not like a kids movie,
obviously. Yeah.
All right. Oh my God, he's Nacho Libre. 203
Oh yeah, no 203 acting credits. Let's go to the 90s.
God dude, Jack Black's a killer. He just pops up like his little
side rolls in a bunch of things. All right, look at this.
Multiple projects. I don't even want to.
We're not going to be able to find anything.
No, it's going to be too hard. But let me tell you this, when
it comes to Tropic Thunder, and I'm not kidding when I say this,
I am dead serious when I say this, he puts on a Leonardo
DiCaprio Basketball Diaries performance.
I know that it's funny and it is funny, but he is really good at
playing a drug addict. Yeah, he is like a hilarious
drug addict. Like you have that comedy part
of it, but. I think that if I think that if
Jack Black had to play a serious role as a drug addict, I think
he could absolutely do it. But he is phenomenal in this
movie. I think that's like just the
other thing is like, thank God that you get a star-studded cast
like this making a comedy film and it actually is funny.
But Jack Black, like just focusing on his character right
now, like just that line when he's tied to the tree, he's
like, OK guys, I think I'm good, Don't ignore me.
Yeah, he's OK. Pick up some bugs, Bray.
Don't ignore me. Also him being tied to the tree
is so funny because why did they strip him to his underwear?
Yeah, why I? Didn't have to do that, like
obviously the next day, like he had to be kind of in his
underwear when they deliver him, but they didn't have to do that
to him overnight. So a story on set.
Jack Black lost his cool and stormed off set filming this
movie. Wait in.
Really. Real life like he was pissed off
and stormed off. What scene?
It was a scene whenever they had the water Buffalo and he's going
to be on it and they're going to carry him off because they tie
him to it, right? Because he can't walk anymore.
He's going through horrible withdrawals, horrible heroin
withdrawals. So he's Jack Black, has a fear
of animals. Like he's even scared of dogs,
which just seems kind of out of character for him.
You think he'd be like a really big dog lover because of his
fun, happy personality. I I, I wouldn't say fun happy
personality. I feel like Jack Black is just
like sporadic like weird. But he has to.
But that's why he doesn't like animals, because of the unknown
nature of what an animal could do.
You don't know what they're thinking.
So he's like a little fearful of animals.
I don't think I've ever heard this.
Before he said he he literally said I'm scared of dogs.
Like I just don't. I'm out of Animal Guy, which is
crazy for Jack Black. That's crazy for anybody.
That's crazy for any American to like, just be absolutely
petrified, terrified of all animals of all kinds.
So it was during a rehearsal take with when you had to get on
the water Buffalo, which is a freaking giant animal.
It's like a scary looking cow. Giant, giant horns.
You know, we see it in the movie.
Obviously can like actually do damage.
Yeah, yeah, that would make sense.
So when he gets on this water Buffalo, his fear of animals
kind of, I guess, rubbed off on that water Buffalo.
And so when he got on, he could feel the water Buffalo seemed
sort of uncomfortable. Oh, oh, the Buffalo was feeling
like the anxiety. Yeah, yeah, OK.
So it started to feel weird. And so whenever they go, it's
the rehearsal takes. They're not really filming much.
And so he gets on it, It starts bucking like crazy and then it
bugs him off. He said he did a flip and
miraculously landed between two boulders and like, didn't get
injured. Like he landed upright between
two boulders and didn't get didn't get injured.
And when you stand there in shock, he hears bad Steeler go,
Hey, what's going on? Are we cutting?
Hey, Jack, run it from the top. We we didn't get that.
And Jack Black being in shock was like, you fucking take it
from the top. You fucking get on that water
Buffalo. And then he stormed off through
his trailer because like he saw his life flash before his eyes.
Like it was just a horrifying moment for him.
I. Told you I don't like fucking
animals. So he goes back to his trailer
to cool down, not wanting to the movie anymore and then he, you
know, simmer down and went back to do.
It yeah, maybe go do some heroin because we're method actors
around here. Exactly.
And then so he. Never heard this.
So the so we had a stuntman get on the water Buffalo instead.
But what they didn't know, months later they found out that
that water Buffalo was pregnant and that's why it was all
finicky and get. Off of me.
Yeah, I'm pregnant. I'm trying to protect my baby.
Bro. I don't know how the animal
people didn't catch that the water Buffalo was pregnant.
You don't think they would like? Test that stuff you.
Don't understand how the animal people didn't do their job.
Exactly. And so they that's wow.
And so what's kind of cool about this story is whenever that
water Buffalo baby was born, they named it Jack.
That's cute. So we got a traumatic
experience, and now he's got a little water Buffalo named after
him. Yeah, it almost killed him.
What they do, like walk into a little room, they're like, hey
Jack, like meet your, meet your little boy.
There's like, get that fucking animal.
Out of here, yeah. Dude, yeah, I've never heard
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They're oh, that was some of the also tropes is kind of tying in.
The pops like the big thing. With with Ben Stiller going into
too deep into the jungle and like kind of feeling he's belong
with these people, you know, losing himself in the jungle is
that kind of war trope as well. Yeah, we haven't, we haven't
covered Apocalypse Now. I think we we were talking about
it when when Robert Duvall passed, we kind of entertained
the idea. We'll do it eventually.
But I do know that like kind of the big thing that was going on
in that set was like. Marlon Brando.
Yes. And the director, Francis?
Francis Ford Coppola. Thank you.
Yeah. What the fuck?
I think I was too nervous to say his last name and just be
completely wrong. I think I was about to say
Coppola. Yeah.
Like, wasn't that the big thing that was going on, Apocalypse
Now? Like, they just wore butting
heads. They were not getting along.
And I think based on what I'd read, it just sounded like
Marlon Brando had like a cocaine problem and.
I think, and I think he was supposed to be like a war hero
kind of looking guy, but he got fat and.
He was super out of shape. And so he was pissed off.
Like dude, you're not a fucking. War here he wasn't he wasn't
memorizing lines which is discussed in this movie when Jay
his character is like did y'all read the book and they were
like. What I read the net cover.
Yeah, yeah. And he was like, OK, well, like
it's the same as in the script. And they all look away and he's
like, y'all read the script right Already script, script
reads me. But like, I think that's them
making fun of Marlon Brando, like showing up to Apocalypse
Now. Huge budget.
You know, Vietnam War is also still like fresh on everybody's
mind. So like this is very kind of
Saving Private Ryan how we were talking about, you know, this
isn't some BS movie. This is we're kind of paying
some respect. We're also showing the the
travesties of what war just looks like in general and Marlon
Brando just shows up all fucked up fat and doesn't know his
lines. Yeah, yeah, as literally Francis
Ford Coppola is putting his entire life on the line for this
movie. Are you fucking kidding me?
But hey, it, you know, worked out.
It worked out. Yeah, because his character's
actually pretty sick. He's definitely, I mean, Robert
Duvall has a really awesome character of like, dude, we got
like a Mr. Mr. Miyagi like more than Brando and Apocalypse Now.
But yeah, so I think Tropic Thunder like that, that's like
the main thing that they're doing.
And they talk about in the movie Tropic Thunder, the fictional
version is the most expensive war film ever filmed.
Now, I don't know the budget, we can look this up in a second,
but I do know that the. For for Tropic Thunder, yeah.
But the the set designer, he went into incredible detail.
They filmed this in Hawaii. There was like places in Hawaii
that look like Vietnam. They wouldn't film there, but
they had to like it was all just jungle set a clear out jungle do
construction lays, you know, gravel roads down everything.
Like it was a crazy set getting. Pricey.
And I don't even think they use this in the movie, but there's a
bar. I think they cut it from the
movie. There's a scene when in the
credit scene when Jack Black's like dancing on the pole with
like the gorillas dancing. They obviously filmed that
scene, but it didn't make this movie.
But that set was like meticulous details where the bar would have
everything a bar would actually have.
We stuff you can't even see. It's just there, the little
decorations in details like it felt so lived in.
This guy went to extreme amounts of effort to make this place
look as real as possible. Doesn't even make it the movie.
Doesn't even make it. In the movie, yeah.
I mean, that's that's that's showbiz.
That is quite literally showbiz. Maybe he built a, it's called a
napalm shot where they had like little palm trees on like clay
stands that look like sand and they had an airplane fly over
and would drop lighter fluid and fire over the palm trees.
Like, you know they would bomb with napalm.
You mean like what they did in Apocalypse Now?
Like. They did in the Vietnam War.
That too, unfortunately. Unfortunately.
Sorry, I was just you say napalm and we were talking about
Apocalypse Now. So I just automatically hear
Robert Duvall saying like, I love the smell of napalm in the
morning. Iconic.
So they, you know, just crazy detail.
They went in this set to make it look as real as possible, which
is pretty cool. The trailers that they did, kind
of the same thing we were talking about.
I think they like went all out for those trailers, like they
just building those sets. Hiring the real trailer voice
you were. Talking about like when we were
watching it, like Jack Black, like how much that would suck,
that would suck like and that's. Character.
And that's just for, like, a 32nd trailer, right in this
movie. And Jack Black went through.
That's kind of amount to, like, full days of makeup.
Yeah. Air makeup.
That one little trailer took many days to film, probably.
Yeah, just yeah. Yeah.
So that's showbiz, baby. Showbiz.
That's showbiz. All right, let's see what this
Tropic Thunder budget was. Tropic Thunder was $92 million.
The fat budget for a comedy movie.
It will, you know. It's not.
It's categorized as a comedy slash war movie.
Yep, comedy war. Yeah, so if you're making a war
movie, you got to be able to pay the big bucks.
Gross approximately $195 million worldwide.
OK. Huge success.
Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. Play.
RDJ and blackface again. Yeah, well, I know.
OK, Obviously we have to talk about this.
Tom Cruise. Yep.
Oh my God. Amazing character, Yeah, iconic
character. So iconic that on MTV there's an
MTV Awards and it said hosted by Les Grossman or or produced by
Les Grossman. Yeah.
So like, they had like little scenes in little.
There's the one with Robert Pattinson.
Really. It's pretty fun.
Let's watch it. It's pretty funny.
But like, you know, they almost did a spin off of Les Grossman's
character. It it's still not.
Oh yeah, wait, I think I heard. About that, it was like.
Not totally off the table. I can't think of a guy's name,
McGuire or something. I think Mcqueary, the dude that
did the last four Mission Impossible movies, OK, you
obviously with Tom Cruise, one of the three projects they were
talking about making is like a Les Grossman movie.
Like that's if it may come to light, it may not.
It's just. It's the fact that like Tom
Cruise, like I think they kept it a secret that he was even
going to be in the movie. And so him showing up and he's
got these big hands, got the bald head and he delivers a
performance. And I, I think like I've heard
that when he accepted the role, he was like, I want him to, I
want him to have big hands and I want him to dance.
No, he didn't even accept, just accept the role.
Tom Cruise created this character.
No. This was not written in the
script he. Went and found Ben's like what
he heard that this movie was being made and.
Tom Cruise was supposed to play Matthew Mcconaughey's character.
But when Tom Cruise is reading the scripts, actually I just
quoted, he said that he felt there was a structural
compression missing on the characters.
And so he created and told Minnesota to have a the Les
Grossman character to add more pressure onto the characters to
make it more intense on them. So he created this character to
have like a bigger presence of like an antagonist in the movie
because he didn't feel like there was enough pressure on
these characters. So he created him.
And like he said, his demands were I want fat hands and I want
to be able to dance. Dude, see that quote right
there? It just like making movies is
fucking cool because you'd think that like making a comedy movie
like this, it's just a bunch of dip shits going off script and
that's it. Like Tom Cruise building a
character because he needed like to feel a bigger antagonist
presence on screen. Like that's the most Tom Cruise
thing ever. Just levelling of everything
he's in. But not only that, about Tom
Cruise. The movie run he was on leading
up to this movie is actually insane.
Like he was on this incredible run.
And then does Les Grossman like kind of out of nowhere, which is
kind of funny. Tom Cruise has always been an
action star, dramatic role plays, now this funny comedy
character, but he's not really doing comedy.
He's playing Les Grossman pretty serious.
Like it's really intense. It's just the absurdity of the
character that makes it funny. But he's not being funny.
That's out of the dancing. Look, you know, we, we did all
of the Mission Impossible movies and I remember kind of joking
about like at at one point in the Alec Baldwin one where
they're like kind of talking shit about Ethan Hunt and Tom
Cruise. It told clearly like had his
hand in the fact of like, OK, that's enough.
They're being really mean to Ethan Hunt now.
Alec Baldwin needs to say nice things.
So we know that Tom Cruise takes himself pretty seriously as an
actor, as he should. He's he's damn good and he's
done a lot for the industry, so he kind of gets away with stuff
like that. So to see him just do this, it's
funny. It's just really funny.
It's a spin on he's taking inspiration with his character
Les Grossman. It's like a gross man.
Our our friend of the show, Harvey Weinstein, he's
definitely basking it off the show, Harvey Weinstein, Timmy D
and then and also this other, I forget the other executive who
is notorious for being a really brutal and mean guy.
So he's kind of taken and spreads from those two guys of
how he talks on the phone to people just how brutal he is.
So like, he's kind of making fun of those studio executives that
were brutal. He also, and I didn't realize it
until we just watched it this time, but like, I've never
picked up on this, but like he pretty much does a Matthew
McConaughey impression to Matthew McConaughey.
When? Just whenever he's like kind of
talking about like, do you feel that like when he's pretty much
convincing him like, we're going to let Ben Stiller die, He's
like, this is the fun part. Yeah.
If you we should go back and watch it.
He's just saying a bunch of shit that like Matthew McConaughey
would say true. And the camera just like kind of
panning back to Matthew McConaughey, like being stunt.
Is. Matthew McConaughey was like
holy shit, this is trippy. I got Tom Cruise doing me as a
fat guy with big hands. That's like dances like on A Few
Good Men when Tom Cruise did an impression of Jack Nicholson,
you know, making fun of the character but doing a Jack
Nicholson impression. That was improv that made the
characters actually laugh on A Few Good Men.
All right, but movie run for Tom Cruise leading up to this movie.
This is in 2008. 2001, Vanilla Sky 2002, Minority Report great
movie. 2003, The Last Samurai, 2000, It's a great movie.
We need to do that movie. We got to do that movie, bro.
This is the director of that Ed Zwick right here.
He made the last name Bro 2004 collateral.
We have done that movie. 2005 War of the Worlds, 2006 Mission
Impossible Three. He had one movie that flopped in
2007. Nobody really liked it.
With Meryl Streep I believe. And then Tropic Thunder.
So an insane run he's going on in the early 2000s and then goes
on to be a giant action star after Mission Impossible Three.
Obviously kind of stuck mostly to action after that.
I kind of forgot that Tom Cruise just did like he.
He's a really good actor. My bad.
He's got a resume. Like I'm I, oh God, that came
out so bad just now. No, I'm just thinking like,
obviously a few good men, great dramatic role and like the first
Top Gun, like that's not like a total action movie.
He's definitely got some acting chops.
This isn't his first time getting in touch with Vietnam as
far as a movie goes, because he also did.
I think it's called the 4th of July.
Do you know what that one is about?
I. Haven't seen it but I I've heard
of that movie. Actually, I haven't, I haven't
seen it either, but I know like a lot of people are like, oh
dude, you got to you got to cover that one because it's
like, I think a pretty, pretty fucked up movie.
But I think he just goes to Vietnam and then I think he
loses his legs like so before he goes to Vietnam, he's playing
like the cool, charismatic Tom Cruise that we all know that he
can play. Then he goes to Vietnam, lose
his legs, comes back. And you know, and I think it's
touching based on the fact that like the United States didn't
really support veterans at that time.
And so I think he just completely flips the the script
or he he flips a switch as far as Tom Cruise goes.
And I think he's like, like just a really fucked up character.
So then for him to do that Vietnam movie.
And then this. One this one they just need to
show him he's like. Yeah, I need, I don't know.
You know, it was kind of funny. Yeah, and but so also Tom Cruise
being taking his roles very seriously.
He took hip hop classes in preparation for Les Courseman
dancing. He's.
Got some good moves. Tom Cruise says with any movie
or anything he's doing, he always signs up for classes to
get better at the skill that's required for whatever the thing
he's doing is. So he's like constantly
learning. I mean small things like hip hop
classes for Les Grossman, literally taking those classes
just to have some moves ready to go when he wants to dance.
Yeah, no, I and honestly, like, I appreciate that because
especially with a movie like this and Robert Downey Junior
has to do it as well, but like, in order for it to work, there
can't be a slip up. Like every scene, everything,
everything that you say in this movie as Tom Cruise and Robert
Downey Junior has to hit can't be corny in the slightest.
Otherwise it just sucks. So yeah, dude, like if I'm Tom
Cruise, I would also do that as well.
I would take the classes to make sure like, all right.
Like it's either funny or it's not.
You know, it's comedy and people are either going to laugh at
this or they're not. So I'm going to pull this up
first before we go to the Les Grossman MTV skit, the whole
app. So Ben Stiller wasn't super
bought in on the dancing thing. He said Tom Cruise said he
wanted to dance and he was like, OK, I mean, that's cool.
But like, it doesn't really fit in the script.
I don't really know where we would do it.
And so they did a makeup test with Tom Cruise.
And during the makeup test, Tom Cruise starts dancing just to
show Ben Stiller. Like, look, this is hilarious.
Like let me just do this, like, come on.
So they wrote that into the script.
And then this test, this makeup test, because this, so this
makeup test is why at the end of the movie, there's that Les
Grossman dance for the credits. It's because of this screen
test. Like you'll see the screen test
and it's literally kind of the same exact thing as the ending
of this movie. OK.
This is the screen test and it's not a screen test because
obviously you don't screen test Tom Cruise.
This was a makeup test that Tom did that we the first time we
put him on film in the makeup. And you'll see that the makeup
isn't isn't what we ended up with in the movie, but it is
where he first started dancing. I said, look, I'd love to play
this character, but I want to have fat hands and I'm going to
dance. And he'd always said to me that
he felt like the character should dance.
And I said, OK, that's cool. You know, I didn't quite know
how it would work in the movie because there wasn't any dancing
in the script. I remember about a couple of
months, he kept saying, you know, maybe we don't do the
makeup and maybe you just look at yourself.
I said no, Ben. I said I really I need fat hands
at the. Makeup test Tom started doing
these moves and there was number music laying.
He just started doing this little dance.
We did the makeup test and I just started showing him.
We just, you know, as you are working on a character, you
start becoming that character, you start discovering the
character and I just. I said, oh, Kee doing that,
That's funny. And he just went with it and he
started doing these crazy hip hop moves that he just has.
And he knows, I don't know how he knows them, but he's just
like, he's a really good hip hop dancer.
Because he's a. Fucking psycho.
Speak for us. We were like so excited by how
funny and weird it was that and I gave it to Tom and Tom thought
it was funny. And then we just ended up
writing in the dancing scene in the movie and coming up with a
whole end credits idea based off of this.
Hilarious. Hilarious.
And no, I mean, everybody knows that Tom Cruise just a fucking
it's psycho. Just as far as like energy wise.
I've totally forgot that Ben Stiller made fun of Tom Cruise.
Do you remember? Have you seen this?
What is it? Ben Stiller, like plays Tom
Cruise's stunt double, I think is what it is, and he.
It's like a skit. Right.
Yeah, it's a skit. And if you look it up, like the
funniest part is Ben Stiller as Tom Cruise.
He's like, yeah, you know, like, we're so close.
Like, sometimes we finish each other's sentences and then Tom
Cruise is like, well, I wouldn't go so far to say that we
finished. And then Ben Stiller's like each
other senses. Tom Cruise laughs and Ben
Stiller does that. And Tom Cruise like.
He's not. It's like kind of improv, like
Tom's not really in on. This.
Yeah, No, he, he got him. Yeah.
Well, the skit, like obviously it's for funny, but like if you
go just go look it up because it happens at the end, you can tell
that like Tom Cruise actually breaks.
I have seen this but I don't remember it.
Oh dude, it's so good and I think the reason I just
completely forgot about it is because Tom Cruise and Ben
Stiller don't share the screen in Tropic Thunder.
No, it's for Mission Impossible 3.
This is probably. Mission Impossible 2. 020 I was
about to say my. Favorite one?
Maybe they were talking about Tropic Thunder.
Just go, yeah, go to, go to the end.
We've worked together for so long now it's almost like.
I don't know. It's kind of like we almost
finish each other's sentences kind of all right.
I mean, I don't think we've ever finished each other sentences.
He probably played it up, but he's definitely.
He definitely find it funny. Obviously they're acting, but
just that laugh is so good. And then seeing what you just
showed me where, like, Tom Cruise is like, no, Ben, like,
he's got to be fat. He's got to have fat hands.
Yeah, like Ben Stiller's like, the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah, spending so much money on prosthetic hands just because
Tom Cruise wanted to have fat hands.
And just seeing Tom, like, Ben Stiller's like, obviously chill.
He almost looks, like, scared to just be talking about Tom
Cruise. He's like, yeah, I don't know,
like how we're going to get it in.
And then cut to Tom. He's like, OK, well, he has to
have fat hands. It's silly, but you kind of do
need it when you see him holding Diet Cokes on the phone.
Like if he didn't, if he had Tom Cruise's hands, I might pull you
out a little bit. Like you need to have some like
fat meeting hairy hand. It's hilarious seeing Ben
Stiller being like, I don't know how we're going to incorporate
the dancing. And then the dancing is like the
most iconic part. I would say, isn't that crazy
that you could make the argument that Tom Cruise's dancing is
more iconic than Robert Downey Junior's blackface?
Yep, one would say it might be the safer, iconic thing to have.
Obviously going back to the offensive parts, I feel like a
pretty offensive part. Not that I take offense, but
what people could take offense to is Vince Diller's retarded
character that they call it Simple Jack.
Yeah.
The way he plays that is insane. Yeah.
It's hilarious, but it's insane. Well, you know, they're just
making fun of and I've heard, I've heard like other like I'm
thinking Entourage has touched on it too, like when other
characters like go gay or yeah, actor.
Or you said characters. Oh yeah, when actors like take
on roles that are like gay or retarded and when they.
Please show some respect. And when they do that, it's
because they're like they're trying to go get the Oscar.
Like they're trying really hard. Yeah.
And it's like almost a cop out when you do that, like.
That's why you never go for a retard.
Right. And so.
But. I'm not even I'm not even saying
it's bad. I honestly haven't seen.
The only movies that I've seen where actors have done that is
What's Eating Gilbert Grape? What's eat?
Who's eating Gilbert's Grape? That's twice now.
I know I've messed it up before, so I've seen that.
Obviously Leo does a good job and it is important to the
movie. And then there is Forrest Gump
Tom Have. You ever seen Rain Man?
No, it's a good one. But it's also just hilarious
hearing Robert Downey Junior being like Dom Hanks, always
gone. I thought, retard, you see him
playing paintball. Retard can't do that.
Yeah, that's not retarded. And he says it and like, you got
like, for me, I just find myself laughing.
He was like, fuck, that's a really good point.
Yeah. Oh, man.
But yeah, dude. So again.
But you get, you get away with it because Ben Stiller is kind
of betting on, I wouldn't say betting.
He's really counting on the mass majority of people to understand
that he is making fun of actors that do that.
It's kind of making fun of the film industry as a whole.
Like it's a very meta. It's a very meta humor movie,
yes. Like, you know, maybe some
people may not get the joke. It's easy to understand.
But when Jack Black's or no, when Danny McBride is kind of
blow up the bridge, he's like tying the stuff.
He's like, fuck me, I'm getting into catering after this.
He wants to get out of explosives because he wants to
whatever, like pyrotechnics or? Whatever Les Grossman having a
key grip punch the director, it makes the most sense because
grips are fucking strong. Yeah, they're moving that shit.
Yeah, like they all they do is have and like me working on
sets, like, yeah, dude, it's hilarious that a lot of grips
like just have like kind of these big beer bellies that
their arms are huge. Grips move all the gear and the
electricity stuff. Yeah, all the.
Heavy, all the heavy stuff. And so just that little tidbit,
which I'm glad you brought that up.
Glad you brought that up, because I love that kind of part
of the movie where he's like, who's the key grip?
If you don't know anything about the film industry, you have no
idea. You just see the director get
punched. I don't have any experience with
this, but you can kind of, you kind of know this with
Mcconaughey's character being the agent who agents have.
No, they're not. They're banking off the talent
of the actors, right? Like they are just trying to get
them roles and they're just, I mean, they do the contract, they
do work. Obviously, it's not like they're
not earning their job, but they get paid a lot of money based on
their actors. Like they need the clients, you
know what I mean? So like he's doing everything
possible to make sure that tug speed him and doesn't fire him.
Like that's his money maker. That's like his guy.
Well, yeah, 'cause he's kind of playing into the role of like,
all right, I'm his quote UN quote best friend because he
doesn't really have any friends. So like, if he, you know, I
just, I got to do everything I can to make sure he doesn't fire
me by kind of making it seem like I'm his best friend, right?
Yeah. As far as making fun of just the
film industry, the fact that Les Grossman is like, yeah.
And if they kill him, you know, we get like, insurance money, so
we make all our money back. He's like, this is where it gets
good. And then he delivers like the
vest. It's just it's so perfect when
he delivers the. We don't negotiate with
terrorists. Yes, and.
Everybody starts clapping because I.
Keep saying it like a heroic moment.
Yes, and I'm kind of, I think it hits even harder because it's
Tom Cruise because like there's just stories about Tom Cruise
and obviously he in the film industry means the world to him.
He takes it very serious. We've seen in the Mission
Impossible movies, but like you hear stories about Tom Cruise,
like on the sets of some of these movies and he'll like
scream at people. He's like, we should be thankful
like we should, you know, this is a privilege what we do.
We should do it to to the best of our ability.
All this. I think that was during COVID
when he like single handedly brought back the film industry.
Yes. There's like a story with Tom
Cruise where he somebody, he was going to shoot Mission
Impossible. I think it was Mission
Impossible. He was trying to get shot and he
calls somebody before. I think the movie wasn't green
light yet. And so he calls, somebody called
him, he's like, yeah, we're shooting Mission Impossible 3
during COVID. It's fine.
Like oh, y'all are in production.
He's like, yeah. And then his team for Mission
Impossible call was like, well they're shooting their movie
right now. They're in production.
And so he got 2 movies to go by kind of being the orchestrator
between the two to say they both are working to allow him to
work. So that's why I think he was
yelling. He's like, we should be thankful
nobody's working and we're here working, you know?
But it just, I like to, you know, just in my mind, I love
the thought of Tom Cruise doing that and then being like, OK,
you can clap for me now. Right.
Yeah. So again, it just hits way
harder with Tom Cruise being like, we don't negotiate with
terrorists and everybody being like, you're a.
Hero Yeah, and it's just hilarious seeing a serious actor
being a retard. Like not a retarded this sport
is getting thrown out too much. Whoa.
That wasn't that just wasn't even necessary.
What the fuck? Was that thanks, Robert Downey
Junior? Yeah.
Oh, you're going to blame it on the guy that does blackface?
Yeah, classic. Exactly.
Get out of jail for your card. Being in silly movies.
Yeah. Seen a serious actor being in
silly movies? All right, here's Les Grossman
and Robert Pattinson. I've never heard of this.
MTV is sporting mad wood over the fact that you're doing the
show. Thanks.
Thinking about cleaning myself up a little bit, maybe get a
suit, have a shave, maybe wash my hair.
I love it. In fact, I love it so much I'm
going to fly Vidal King Sassoon here to personally give you a
Brazilian blowout. And when he's done, I'll give
you the number of a good plumber.
Because you just flushed your career down the toilet.
Your filthy hair made you a star.
Your filthy hair made me hundreds of millions of dollars
and sent my fat kid to space camp four times.
So what kind of shampoo were you going to use?
Dot. That's my dirty dog play, play
we in the. Red light this time.
Wow, I've never seen that. MTV Movie Awards produced by Les
Grossman. That, that's one of the best
things I've ever seen. Player.
Robert Pattinson, too. Just the fact that he did that,
that's awesome. Yeah.
That's awesome. You're dirty as here.
See my fattest kid of Space Camp four times.
How about Matthew McConaughey? I feel like we haven't really
talked about that enough. Playing the straight man.
Just I mean, Matthew McConaughey is so good, bro.
Whether it's funny, action, drama doesn't matter.
Like Matthew McConaughey delivers it.
But like in this movie, like I, I wish we had gotten more scenes
with Matthew McConaughey. And he also, he plays a pretty
important role. Well, they're so.
Saves them. There's so many characters in
the movie that you wish you had more time with because of the
actor. Danny McBride Every time he's on
screen Gold. We love Danny McBride
McConaughey. He just real hater.
I know, I know, Phil Hater definitely should have been in
this more. And I bet like there's so many
scenes that just got cut, but like, you got to do what you got
to do. Yeah, you got to make the movie.
The Movie. But yeah, but for me, like I, I
seriously just think like Matthew McConaughey like kind of
stands out because it's it's effortless what he's doing.
It's kind of refreshing to see on screen.
I feel like when because it's tough.
Like when you're doing a comedy with a star-studded cast, there
is the pressure of like, as a viewer, you're watching this and
you're like, they're going to be funny.
And like, if they if they don't get you quick, you're going to
be like, oh man, it's not going to be good.
It's not going to be funny. Like Matthew McConaughey just
like kind of doing his own thing, just making it look like,
all right, y'all, don't worry. Like, you know, I'm going to
Matthew McConaughey this role, these lines, just like pecker
baby, I'm here for the YOU. Like, you just know that Ben
still was like what the fuck that was?
Good. Yeah, 100% off script.
Yeah, You know, just all right, we're going to let Matthew
McConaughey do his thing. Feel like Tom Cruise probably
gets a little bit of free rein in that as well.
Yeah, I mean, the dancing was literally invented.
Yeah, the whole character was invented by him.
Yeah, just but like him, like screaming at the phone, He's
like. I will fuck your face.
Now he says. How did you take a step back and
literally fuck your own face? That's right, yeah.
He's the last ghost man. Who is this?
This is flaming black one. Oh OK, flaming dragon fuck face
first. Take a big step back, and
literally. Fuck your own face.
Insane line. Insane line with insane
delivery. Robert Downey Junior.
We should probably circle back to him.
He's a damn good actor. He's really good.
Again, kind of what I was saying earlier, like you don't if
you're going to do this role, like you have to pull it off.
There can be no slip UPS. It has to be good, right?
Like every line, every line that Robert Downey Junior says has to
be good, has to be funny. And guess what?
For me it was I. Was done.
Every everything that he says, I'm just like, that is
hilarious. My.
Favorite My favorite joke in this movie is when the finally
got to save his day at the end. The side character Kevin is his
real name, his his actor. 'S name, Yeah, in the movie Jay,
I don't know how to pronounce. He's how to train your dragon
guy. Is he really?
Yeah. Jay Baruchel.
Baruchel. Yeah, it's got to be.
It's got to be it. Kevin Sandusky, hell of a yeah.
Kevin Sandusky when he's yapping to Robert Downey Juniors.
They're walking through and then he's he's like going on a long
tangent about Blu-ray inequality and he's like, you talking to me
this whole time. Now whichever format porno backs
is usually. The one that becomes the the
most successful. But you know, Sony, every
PlayStation 3 has a Blu-ray. You.
Talking to me this whole time I I was.
Talking to whoever was listening.
Christ, I mean. That is the.
Funniest joke? So good because like again, like
that scene did not need to be in there, but it's just so funny.
You have to keep it in there. Something that they do in this
movie that's great is when it comes to the editing of this
movie, because it's a lot of improv.
It's comedy. You got to get funny.
It's Robert Denning Junior playing this insane guy and you
know, he's like meta. He's not meta.
He's method acting his his role even going into black like he
got a pigmentation. Surgery.
And so it'll like hold on him sometimes for like way longer
than you should in a normal like dramatic scene or whatever, but
just hold on him because what his face is doing is just insane
and hilarious. So they just kind of hold on
moments just to see like the insane expressions he's doing.
And the best one is whenever Kevin Sandusky in the movie is
like, oh, you know, it's in the book.
That's in the script. What you all didn't read the
script and he Robert down junior.
What are you talking about? And then he just like just does
this weird face like I think he's trying not to break, but it
looks so good in the movie because he just looks like a bad
man method actor. Yeah, I it's perfect.
I love like my favorite 1 is like I don't break character
until I do the DVD commentary. The director's The commentary
The DVD commentary for this movie.
Robert Down Junior's playing his character.
His voice is in the commentary. He literally means it.
Yeah. I think you, you have to to do
that because that's such an iconic line to where it's like,
all right, it would be funny if we carry it over and we get
Robert Downey Junior to to actually mean that.
Oh no. Tough getting out to that out to
that precipice. Was that no dead real baby you
playing with? That was actually a real baby.
Man. Baby was very calm.
Did the baby get hurt? No, the baby was totally no, no,
babies were harm. In a time wait everyone shut up
now all. Right here.
Is that what's going on? Here.
Look at that. Damn.
Oh wow, look at that. It's it's.
It's Spider Man and Iron Man. Fuck that lip gloss going down.
Sort of an alternate universe for Spider Man and Iron.
Man, man, I was trying to ride Toby when we were shooting this
thing. Oh no.
He wouldn't have none of it talking about it happen, Mary.
No, here it comes. Wait, oh, been like.
That tape, I did like that dude. There's a lot of.
Disemotion fucking begun. What are you screaming about?
Tortured. Commentary.
He talks like he talks in his character's voice.
I have never I I did not know that this was a thing.
I'm immediate. As soon as we're done with this,
I'm going to watch this whole thing.
I am in love with what I'm hearing right now.
This one could say this. That could be like the funniest
part of the movie. I did not know that this was a
thing. Fucking God.
Oh, look at the lip glossing. There, man, everybody shoot up.
What is this? Oh, look at this.
Oh yeah, I was trying to ride Tommy McGuire on this one.
He wouldn't have none of. It dude.
Iconic, iconic. So good, so good.
It was funny though, he Rd. JS character was supposed to be
Irish when they wrote the character stop.
But Robert Downey Junior said let's make him Australian
because I think I can improv better as an Australian because
I've already developed that accent from Natural Born
Killers. Oh yeah.
So he had the Australian accent down.
He'd have to like, learn how to be Irish and think about it, you
know, working like a dialect coach when you're having a
different accent in your natural accent, you know, you have to
learn how to say the lines in that way.
And you're kind of being more specific to what you have to say
in the accent. You know, I mean, there's not
much improv because you might get the words wrong, whatever it
is. But he's already developed his
Australian accent, so he's like, I'll be able to improv way
better than Australian. So make me Australian.
Nice. Yeah.
Because, I mean, that's not like a make or break.
That's just something you can throw in there, right.
You know what? I also forget that Robert Downey
Junior, like, comes from comedy because he was on he was on SNL
now, he was part of arguably the worst SNL cast ever formed.
Yeah. Like a.
Little while ago, like before Will Ferrell and all them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was.
Yeah, I think it was before Will Ferrell's time.
It was either right before or right after, but he was like he
might have been the youngest at that time ever.
Like I think he might have been there like youngest.
I could be wrong on that, but I do know that he was a cast
member for SNL. Like the worst.
Well, I mean, you think about he is funny like you think about
Iron Man like he no, right. He was funny in Iron Man.
He's a serious, serious esque movie, right?
It's not like a comedy movie. What I mean, Yeah.
And he's funny in it. You know, he has always the
comedic relief in most of the scenes.
He's the, he's like the true here.
Everybody loves. It's weird that I don't, I, we
will not understand the magnitude of like, I guess what
Robert Downey junior was because like he went through like kind
of a downfall. Yeah, we didn't live through
that. Yeah, we have no idea what that
really entailed, but I think he was like kind of the guy.
And so again, like, it's insane that, you know, he he just had a
huge drug problem and then his career plummets.
Think Iron Man saves him and then he's like how do blackface?
Yeah, yeah. I might quite possibly fuck it
all up again. Yeah, I've already fucked it up
once. Bro he does the voice like so
good, like you almost need subtitles for it.
It's good. It's really good.
Speaking of, you know, RDJ having comedy experience, Tom
Cruise, even though he's been mostly in serious movies, he
still has some comedy experience because like when he was a kid,
he said he used to write skits and act them out to make his mom
and his sister laugh. Like his first ever experience
acting was him doing funny stuff, like to make his family
laugh. That's that made me think of
that. I remember.
That it's it. Yeah.
Shout out to him because it's just so weird.
Like, I know what he sounds like, and he literally sounds
like a completely different person than this.
Yeah. It's like there's no hint of
Robert Downey Junior in there. Yeah.
And then, but have you, have you seen the the behind the scenes?
Not the behind the scenes, but there's like a long cut where
it's Ben Stiller and Robert Downey Junior.
You know what I'm talking about. Yeah.
They were like breaking. They were.
Breaking blooper reel. It's just like the uncut, Yeah,
the uncut deal between. Them you've seen it though, it's
so good. But it's funny because like,
there's funny lines they didn't use and you can kind of see the
takes they did use from that footage.
It's a long thing, so we can watch a little bit of it because
it's good. Yeah, like a 20 minute piece of
footage. But I think, yeah, But like
Robert Downey, Junior stays in character.
He's like, I got the line. Yeah, yeah.
Come on, give it to me. Yeah, yeah, the whole time was
all in character. Hey, man, if you're going to do
it, you're going to do it. Damn.
It was 11 minutes action. Please, you're going to focus up
now. Motherfucking say it, say it,
say it, say it, it. It's me, Tug.
Yeah.
Tug who? Tug who?
I don't know. You don't know.
I know.
No, you don't. Man, I know who I am.
I'm a dude playing the dude. This guy you don't know to do it
again. Which one the top?
It's cool you get to watch Ben Cesar Rex while he's acting on.
The top. OK damn, I'm dripping on them
M&M's. Here we go. 5432.
Hot damn, I'm tired of this. Now you focus the fuck up, dude.
Say it. It.
You going to say it? It's me, Tug.
That's right.
Now Tug Who? Tug who?
I don't know. Who are you?
Me. I know who I am.
I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude.
You a dude who don't know what dude he is?
You're a dude who don't know who a dude he is.
Yes, I do. You don't know what, dude?
You are sure, dude. No, you don't.
I sure as fuck dude. Sure you don't.
I sure don't. Don't you?
I am stop looking at me when I'm looking out here.
It's cool too because like you can see when they there's like
these pauses between each line, like it's not a quick back and
forth because they're allowing time to make sure they're done
with their improv. Like there's a time when Miss
Hiller kind of takes like beats between what he says to him in
this video and like RDJ like doesn't talk.
He waits few moments to pass to make sure he's done and then he
will respond, which is pretty cool.
Stop looking at me with the movement out of the ass dude, I
thought. That was him.
That was a pretty good impression.
Yes. Take him in the top.
Yes. Now let's get this clear.
I'm going to ask you one more time.
You say. Say it.
It's me, Tug. It's me Tug that's.
Right. Tug who?
That was my question.
I say it and I say it. OK, OK.
I'm tired of keep governing you. You bout to say it now.
Fear it. Not it.
Say what I'm telling you to say. It's me, Tug.
That's right.
Tug Who? Tug who?
What the fuck you do know? It's me, Tug.
I don't know Tug. Who?
Come on now. Come on now, I don't.
Know who I am. You don't know who you are,
trust me. No, you don't.
Oh, yeah? Oh no.
I'm a dude planning to do disguise as a third dude.
And now back to the dude I was. You a dude who don't know what
dude he. Is you're a dude who don't know
what dude he is. Trust me I'm cool who I am.
We tripping on you You. Don't know who you are?
Yes, I do. No, you don't.
Sure I do. But.
I know it's insane. Us the constellations in your
head, you. Just made my point.
You got me spinning. Very cool watching behind the
scenes like this. That is cool.
It's also like you can see, like they use some of those takes.
Yeah, yeah. You can notice, I think it's the
first. I think the take they use of Ben
Siller was the first time he responded to Toku.
I don't know whatever that line was like his eyes move.
I think that's what they use in the movie.
He's got it down. So does Jack Black.
Whenever he's like just doing the yeah, he's just really good
at the faces. We pointed this out right before
we started rolling. But I do want to say it like
looking at the poster, they were so close to finishing their
final punchline. They have Black Stiller, Downey
Junior and then Tropic Thunder. What they should have done they
or what they could have done, they could have done Stiller
first and then black Downey Junior.
Yeah, that would have been good it.
Would have been really good. But you know, they thought about
it. They might have thought that
might be too far. That Yeah.
Well, because I can understand why they wouldn't.
Because if you haven't seen the movie and then you hear that
like, dude, Robert Downey Junior's playing blackface, and
then you see on the poster that they did black Downey Junior,
and you don't understand what the joke is, you're already a
little offended. Now, they might have thought
about it, but I think the reason why they didn't do that is
because of the poster. Ben Stiller is the lead and he's
in the middle. And so you put the names above
the people, right? And then switching it up would
have put Jack Black in the middle as a lead, and he's not
the lead. So it wouldn't have worked, but
it would have been really funny. It would have been really funny.
Black Downey Junior. So they should honestly just
like fix it now. Somebody should just go back and
do it right now. What's funny with this movie
too? Because when I first watched it,
obviously, you know, in preparation for the podcast,
it's my first time ever sitting down and watching the full
thing. And so when I saw Nick Nolte's
character 4 Leaf, 4 Leaf, when he's using his hooks, I was
curious, like, how do those hooks work with somebody with no
hands to like clamp open and close the clamps?
Because he's like picking things up and shit.
Like, how would that work? And then he has hands.
You're like, oh, well, that's how that works.
That was just funny. Like finding out he actually has
hands. And I'm like, oh, that's why the
claws work. Yeah, in the heat of battle,
Jack blacks like you have hands. What the fuck?
In the Robert Downey Juice, you have hands, God damn it.
Yeah, actually, Jack Black says. You grew hands.
Yeah, yeah, that's good, man. Are you ready to rate Tropic
Thunder? Let's do it.
All right, Grey, what do you have for Tropic Thunder?
For Tropic. Thunder, let's go down the list
here. Cade acting 10 out of 10.
There you go. I mean, just pretty, pretty
phenomenal performances. Also very ballsy performances.
So again, I've been I've been talking about it like you're
going to do a performance like this.
There's you can make no mistakes.
I don't think any mistakes were made writing 10 out of 10.
I think this is this is like a really funny movie and obviously
like, you know, we just watched it.
I'm laughing like a pretty decent amount, but there's like
a lot of like clever humor. This isn't just like stupid
humor or and I hate to say stupid humor and then say this,
but like like step brothers, you know, we did that episode.
That's not stupid humor at all, but it is more like kind of
absurd comedy you're laughing more about.
How ridiculous it is. Yeah, Will Ferrell and John C
Reilly sleepwalking and like, you know, you're, you're
laughing at that. This is more like there are a
lot of funny moments, but there's also just like a lot of
kind of clever, like in their jokes where it's like, whoa,
that's really that's good. Like, I'm thinking just the idea
of Robert Downey Junior's character having beef with Tom
Cruise and he says, what do you mean, you people?
And then the the actual black. Ben Stiller, you said Tom
Cruise. Oh, sorry, Ben Stiller.
And then the actual the other actor, What's his name?
Jack Black. Not no, no, Brandon TJ's Al
Pacino and him being like, what do you mean you people or what
do you mean you people? And then them just getting into
a whole argument, having beef the whole movie and like Robert
Downey Junior, he's like, hey, we cool though, right?
No, we're. Not that's what makes a black
face OK, because it's clearly wrong.
They're showing that it's wrong. Exactly.
Actors willing to do this, and a studio was willing to do this.
See, so that's just really good writing because it's so funny
when you realize, like, dude, like, this is insane.
Like Robert Downey Junior is having to do this and he
accepted the role of blackface and then he is like on screen
having an argument with a character that's black that is
offended by blackface. So just the levels of comedy
there like. It's so good and even grabs him
when he calls him the N word and he's like, that word's held our
people back for 400 years. Yeah, he's like, what the fuck?
Yeah, well, and then he ends up finding out like you're just.
I think he's quoting a song. Yeah, theme song to the the.
The Jacksons? No.
Was it The Jeffersons? The Jeffersons, Yes.
That's right. Just because the theme song
don't make it not true. Yep.
Like that's funny. Yeah, that's really funny.
So I just think, yeah, like, that's really good writing.
It's also funny how committed he is to it, how he doesn't think
he's being offensive, how when he's talking about we'll put
some greens and we get some grow fishing like going way over the
top with his accent. Got them greens.
And he Al, Al Pacino, he's like, if you think we talk about and
then he walks away and he's like, I get excited about my
food. I mean, just so good, so good,
like so good. And honestly, back to the
acting. Like, if you just go look at
every scene, you can see like all of these character Ben
Stiller clearly was like, you know, Jack Black always has to
look like he's dying from not doing drugs.
And then every time Robert Downey Junior talks in this
movie, you can see Brandon T Jackson like anytime he's in the
background just looking at him. Shut the fuck.
Up. Like it's so good that Ben still
like again, like levels to this. Like that's so good.
Which brings me to editing 10 out of 10.
I just think, I think every. I've seen it perfect.
The length of it is really good. It's not an hour and a half, but
it's not 2 hours. It's kind of the perfect comedy.
Comedy. Yeah.
Time while also executing a really good story.
A story within a story within a story.
A dude within a dude playing a dude that knows he's a dude.
Based on the ending, how it cuts to the frame we see in the movie
that's at the Oscars, is what the movie that we watched,
Tropic Thunder, what the movie was in the movie, like
everything we watched, is that what they made and submitted for
the Oscars? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's right.
I think they just go back. It's not a movie about Tropic
Thunder. It's a movie now about them
making this movie. But I, I'm, what I'm saying is,
you know, when you think about. You're about.
You're about to lose me, by the way.
You're so close. I'm about to be gone.
What I'm saying is, is that the Oscar, that the movie that won
the Oscar? You could think that it was a
documentary that they made after this and we just saw that real
events and they made a new movie, right I I fall you
tracking. I think barely, but I think
that's what's happening. So the question is.
Or am I just agreeing? But then at the yeah, maybe.
But then at the end, whenever the, you know, movie's over
basically, and they are leaving Vietnam and they're getting a
lot on the chopper, it's freeze frames and pulls out the Oscars.
It was like, was that whole thing we watched the movie that
they made about making the movie.
Oh. I don't know if I caught that
then. Because I mean, when Ben Sellers
looking down at the at the helicopter, when they're in the
helicopter looking kind of stoic, that stops and it pulls
back. Now they're at the Oscars.
So it's like, was that whole movie The Tropicana that they're
talking about that they made? Like they be watching the movie
that they actually made in this movie.
Wow, a comedy movie with a conspiracy theory.
I don't know anything. I mean the doesn't really work
100% because like some of the logic you're like wait, what?
But also it's a comedy movie and it's also a movie, so you can
get away with whatever. No, this is like Inception level
writing. Now I'm actually going to bump
up my 10 out of 10 on the writing 2 and 11 out of 10
because this movie should not have been this brilliant.
Movies within movies within movies, all right anyway.
Directed by Ben Stiller Are we sure it wasn't Christopher Nolan
that directed this movie? Hey, we see Ben Stiller's
ability Severance. That's some deep shit.
Levels. That's some levels.
Levels. All right, get back to this
rating. Cinematography 7 out of 10.
Yep. Solid enjoyability. 10 out of 10
dude. Booyah I.
Didn't even tell you that when you recommended this movie like
I just watched this. Oh nice.
Like I think two months ago, I can't I, I just, I love throwing
this thing on. Yeah, I'm going to start.
I'm I've been the 1st and the 2nd but definitely.
The last well, that's why I like I'm kind of, you know, good for
you, because now you can next time you go watch it, you're
going to pick up on like another thing that that you're like,
holy shit, that's so funny, right, that they like threw that
in there. Like there's definitely some
jokes that go over your head. You know, it's just that's how
it goes. But like this is one of those
where like you have to rewatch it because the lines are so
quick too, and they're in war. They're in a war zone and so
like a lot of the dialogue, you're a little distracted by
more of the action. And if you actually are
listening to what they say, like holy shit, like what?
That's insane. So good for you, you you've,
you've got a lot more to pick up on what's.
What do you got? You get total.
Oh yeah, I got a 9.4 out of 10. Sorry.
Yeah. All right, I have the acting. 9
out of 10, hilarious, great improv.
Writing 9 out of 10, same thing. Improv.
Love a good comedy with some improv like that.
It's like solid and you know, there's these.
Guys are masters at it too, so it's just so nice to watch them
just kind of they're in flow state.
Yep, in Tropic Thunder. Editing 6.5 out of 10.
The only reason I have that score below solid but close to
solid is because I there were some moments in the scene where
I thought they like didn't cut quick enough between dialogue or
something. Not talking about the RDJ
looking at sure, his crazy face that's hilarious to hold on.
But like I think it was whenever Tug Speedman is in captive in
talking to the 12 year old leader of this drug gang or
whatever. There was just it was like a
moment where I like I don't really notice his things, but I
noticed it here where it seemed like they didn't cut it quick
enough. Like it seemed like there was
like a weird pause when it should have been like quicker to
make. So just throw the rhythm off,
yeah? I don't know, it just I felt odd
on that one part like that. Seemed like they should have
maybe trimmed that up or something.
So you took 4.5 points. Off I was going to go 7 out of
10. It's not like insane editing or
anything crazy, but yeah. Anyway, cinematography 7 out of
10. Solid cinematography and
enjoyability. 9.5 out of 10, for a total score of 8.2 out of 10
for Tropic Thunder Bear. But more importantly, is this a
rewatchable movie? Is this something that like you
can see yourself putting in the yearly rotation or like every
two years like? 1000%.
Yeah, this. This is a heavy hitter.
Yeah, again, I can't believe it took you this long.
I know. This is.
But that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing.
It's nice. I just, I think if you're just
like some dumb idiot kid that watches this movie, you're not
going to understand it at all. And I'd say young dumb idiot kid
at meaning like 22. It's like when you get like,
it's like a nice little treat. You get to get yourself watching
a movie like this. Yeah.
For me, a while ago, it was The 40 Year Old Virgin.
Like I watched that late and I was like, first of all, I don't
know how I haven't seen it, but I'm so glad I got to see it now.
And I get to laugh as hard as I did during this movie for the
first time. Yeah.
This is you know what? You know what this is?
This is one of those movies where like my kid like will not
be allowed to watch this movie until he's like 18 like for real
for real like not only because you know it's.
Just not kid appropriate. It's not kid appropriate, but
also he's just not going to understand it.
So if I find out that like my kid is laughing at this movie, I
just know like no, you're laughing because you're fucking
bad person. Actually, the first time I did
try to watch this baby, I just remembered this.
I watched it too young, I think, and I wasn't really
understanding what the movie was and all the blood and gore in
the beginning. Like I was like, oh, that's too
much. I think I got Jay gets stabbed
by the bayonet. Blood came out of the head and
that like, I didn't realize it was like a fictional thing,
'cause I was like a kid. I wasn't like super young, but I
was young where I just, I didn't like that and I turned it off I
think. I think I was like getting sick,
like this is crazy. I thought this was going to be
like a super funny. I thought this was going to be
step brothers. Damn.
Yeah. I think that's why I didn't
watch it when I was like the first time.
I didn't finish it because I think I turned it off because I
was a kid thinking it was too violent.
It was too much gore. It's kind of crazy because you
love a lot of killing, but that was like some intense killing
that. Was some intense?
He's got his guts out and like, you know, he's supposed to be an
actor. So the Jay has to play it, you
know, as a guy that's like a good actor.
He's like, I think I can put it back in.
I can see it. Yeah, I think I was.
I was like, oh, wait, this movie's going to be the humor is
going to be how violent it is. I'm like, oh, I don't know if
I'm ready for this. This isn't Teladigon.
Yeah, exactly. So that's funny, but yeah, I
mean, that makes sense. Yeah, anyway, thank you guys for
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