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In this episode we are breaking down and.
Literally just watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
There's a big one for you. Great rewatchable movie.
I mean, you can watch this movie over and over again.
This is like this. Is this your?
Well, I know this is like the number one movie for you when it
comes to like, just a down day. Whether you're sick, hungover,
just feeling under the weather in general.
Throw it up. Throw it on.
Yeah, like, if it. I feel like it's just kind of
like a grey, rainy day. We're not.
Nothing's getting done today. Throw it on.
Yep, because it's a good background movie too.
You can hop into any scene and you're good.
Yeah, like because it's a hangout movie.
And it's probably the best hangout movie that's ever been
created. It is definitely a hangout
movie. Yeah, you can do chores around
the house to this movie. Yeah, because when you look at
the plot, it's not that compelling.
Like just the storyline of like what they're going to do.
If you had to describe this movie, it'd be pretty boring,
probably. Like that movie sounds like it
sucks, but it's because the characters are so good.
You love hanging out with them and seeing how they go about
their situations. Of course they make the it's
Tarantino, so he makes the situations intense and insane.
Not, you know what, yes, obviously he has his moments
with this film. This is Quentin Tarantino just
kind of catching a little vibe. She's kind of living in it.
You know, he just puts us in a really cool time period that
like America knows, loves and is proud, proud of, right?
Like I was, you know, I think 70s, like late 60s, seventies in
Hollywood, like that's, that's where we were all just.
Rocking. That's the most iconic time
period. Everybody like when they think
about like how cool America was, they're like, that's what
they're thinking of. 70s and 90s.
You know, that just that that kind of thing.
But with this movie, it's interesting that this is like
like you're kind of sick under the weather movie.
For me, this is one of those movies that I throw on like
before I go out. It's, you know, essentially like
a hangout movie. Yeah, but I'm just like, not.
Even not even when I feel sick. It's just if I want something on
the if I want a movie on in the background, I throw this movie
on. Oh dude it's pretty cool vibes.
I, I threw it on yesterday, you know, I, I try and watch it
before we watch it just so I can, you know, do the best I can
on the episode. And then I just found myself.
I was like, godly, dude, I've seen this movie so many times,
so many times, Like I am just quoting it almost the whole
movie. So like I literally just started
doing chores. It was like I I can just watch
it in my head as I'm listening and talk.
Like I can see them still. And fun of fact, sort of ritual
me and Grey do. Every time the movie's name ever
drops, we go and snap and point at the screen.
Yep, it's. Working.
OK, Yeah. So this is where it came from.
But then I will say I forgot that lot of killing.
Forgot that that's where a lot of killing from.
Yeah, which I quote. That I quote.
What does Cliff Booth say? Don't.
Oh yeah.
When he's about to smoke his acid dip cigarette.
Yeah, Tonight. The night.
Why not? See I quote, I try.
Yeah, yes. You're oh, you're a good friend.
All right, Cliff. You're a good friend.
I try. Yep.
Don't cry in front of the Mexicans.
Yeah. Don't, don't.
Yeah. I don't quite understand what
that means. I mean, I think it just means
like, hey, those guys, are they, they work really hard.
They don't want to see a white man cry because he can't go to,
he can't go to Rome and star in Italian films.
So don't, don't be, Yeah, don't be, don't be crying in front of
them. But yeah, sometimes I say that.
I'll say to my brother, me, me and him always say, yeah, I got
a flamethrower in my tool. Shit.
I tell her to Jacob all the time.
But it's like the best kind of hangout movie because it's
showing you 70s Hollywood vintage.
Everybody thinks highly upon that time because it was so fun.
Hollywood's booming stars, like kind of the first time.
Like Hollywood stars are huge. You know it's a golden age of
movies. Everybody wants to be involved
in the movie making. The golden age of Hollywood and
so Tarantino gives you that vibe perfectly because you have you
get to see Sharon Tate walking about living her like dream
life. You know, Hollywood, new
Hollywood star, greatest thing in the world.
You watch Cliff Booth being the guy that kind of lives the
Hollywood dream, driving a nice car, staying in the mansion,
even though it's not his, he's living the Hollywood lifestyle.
He's fucking, he's a badass, right?
And then you have Rick Dalton, who is showing you kind of the
batter side of Hollywood, like fighting relevance.
So you get the entire scope of that time period and through
those characters and it's an interesting way to go about it.
So you're cool just hanging out because you can feel and see the
vibe of what it was. I can't believe that yesterday's
watch was when I realized, like, this movie only takes place in,
like, pretty much three days. Yeah.
Like the first day I think is just kind of the beginning
where, like, you just see, like, an interview, or maybe it is
just two. No, no, no, It's three days
because the first day is an interview with Cliff and Rick,
and then they go meet up with Al Pacino's character at a bar.
And then it's the next day and it is just Cliff Booth's day,
Rick Dalton's day and Sharon Tate's day, and that's it.
Then you just Fast forward six months.
And then now you're in that and then.
You're just in that day when they get back to America after
you hear about like how Italy went, and then it's just that
day. Yep.
So it's pretty much just a movie.
About like 3 days. Yeah, Really. 2 1/2.
See, this is this movie's not an insane example of it, but it
still was true. When we were talking the other
day, I was talking about like, I think what makes a good movie
and the movies that I like is how the craziest thing that
could happen happens next. So it just continues to build
and like, somehow it gets better.
I think Tarantino does it all the time where it's like just
the worst thing constantly happens.
And then you're like, what's going to happen next?
I didn't even think about, you know, he thinks about the
craziest idea you can do. And so even though this movie is
not an insane plot, it's still the craziest things you can do
in those three days that he points out.
So it's just everything gets leveled up, leveled up, leveled
up constantly. Right.
Once you kind of realize like, oh, this is just what a day
looks like for these three characters.
Rick and Cliff had insanely eventful days.
Now Sharon Tate, she was literally just there.
I he's just paying respects to her because I think back in the
day, I think she was just like beloved, right?
Sharon Tate is like an actual real.
She was a real actress. And she was involved in the the
Manson murders. Yeah, she actually got killed
with her friends and I. Think the country actually was
like, you know, it's like hurt everybody because they were
like, wow, she. Was like a rising star.
She's a rising star. She got killed pretty early in
her career. And I think she was like,
beloved by people. She actually was like, just
known as like a nice person. And fun fact, my grandmother
went to high school with Sharon Tate.
Like in the yearbook, they're like next to each other.
Whoa, yeah, we got a put that in the episode.
I don't. I mean, I've seen it with my own
eyes, the yearbook, but I haven't, I don't have access to
it. Somebody's got to be able to get
a picture of that for you maybe. Yeah, you got to, you got to.
Yeah, you got to send like an emergency, like, hey, need this.
Just just dropped it in the podcast.
That's crazy. You're in the same class
together, like the whole deal. In where?
Where's? Where'd your grandma grow up?
Where'd she go to school? They moved around a lot so I
don't know where it was. OK, I didn't know if it.
Was like Nebraska or something. That's OK, don't feel bad about
that. I, I there's.
Hey dude, do you know where your grandparents?
I'm literally saying don't feel bad about that.
Like you, I'm trying to think of anybody I know that could just
tell me like dude, what? Like you don't know where your
grandma went to high school? Yeah, I don't know.
It wasn't. It wasn't in Texas.
I know that. OK, actually I don't.
Know we can find this out right now by looking up.
Where did Sharon take go to high school?
You know what? You could look up her yearbook
photo. Maybe your grandma will just be
there. Like kind of as a side character
I. Don't know Washington, El Paso,
TX and Italy. My grandma did live in Italy,
but I think she had children in Italy so.
People have kids in high school. No, I don't think she had
children in high school. Anyway, fun fact.
There we go. No, that's cool.
That's cool. Yeah.
So dude, the first time so I saw this movie in theatres when it
came out, I was I still in high school.
I think I was still in high school, Yeah. 2018 or maybe
2017? It's 2019.
So you were I was in college. Yeah, you were in college.
I was. But I went with high school
buddies like, So it must have dropped like during like some
type of Christmas or Thanksgiving or some type of
break. Let's yeah, let's check that.
It came out in July. OK, so yeah, 1 summer yeah makes
you makes so much sense for this back.
Home as a freshman. Yeah.
And so I went back. I went and saw it with a couple
buddies, one of them being like, just kind of like my boy
Tarantino. Like that's how we really became
friends. He's like, you like Tarantino.
I was like, I love Tarantino. He's like, I love him too.
So we go see this film and you know what?
I'll be honest with you, 19 or 18, however old I was when I
guess I was 19 was not. I was a little disappointed by
this, you know, Was you. Disappointed by the movie?
Yeah, you know, I, I didn't hate it by any means, but I was like,
oh, like, what? Because I'm so used to just a
Tarantino film just being. Crime and.
Crazy crime killing, like the whole movie.
Yeah, pretty much it. Like, that's just like a lot of
a lot of shootouts and a lot at stake.
Right. And I was just like, what the
fuck? Like we just watched them, like
kick it in Hollywood, like, but it is aged beautifully,
beautifully. Tarantino and I, I, I'm sure
there were so many other people that felt that way when it came
out. Yeah.
Also just one of those things were like, I wasn't used to the
cast. You know, with Tarantino films,
you typically get like his regulars going in.
You don't really get that with this one.
In fact, a lot of the like the Manson side characters, I have
no idea who they are. At the time.
At the time, yeah, right. Which is also just insane like
he has. Let's look, let's, let's see
like. Austin Butler.
You get Austin Butler, who I he's not a nobody.
None of them are nobodies. But to a 19 year old that like
does not give a damn about like famous people or what's going on
in Hollywood. Like just I like my movies.
That's it. I don't really care about like
what's coming out unless it's like crazy crazy.
But you're on a podcast. Yeah, but now you get Austin
Butler, Sydney Sweeney. Margaret Qualley.
Right. Yeah, she's Big Dakota.
Fanning. Is Koda Fanning in this?
She's the one at the door. And then Ethan Hawke's daughter.
Maya Hawk. Maya Hawk.
Who daughter of Kill Bill? Yeah, the girl.
What's the girl from Menorah? You love it, you love her.
I've never seen Enora, don't even.
Great actress. Don't kind of.
Ruin my marriage. Yeah, no, I, I actually, I did
see Enora and. Mikey.
Mikey Madison. Mikey Madison, crazy talented
because she is. I'm literally just thinking of
her in this versus Enora. Completely different people, not
even the same voice. Yeah.
So very impressive. But yeah, like just to have that
kind of cast and nobody knows who they are and then we look up
in a few years and they're all, they're just all over the place,
I mean. Truly, Once Upon a time in
Hollywood, they show all the legends are in it.
You got Pacino, you got Kurt Russell, you got Caprio and Brad
Pitt, who Tarantino said were the two most exciting duos in a
movie, which I mean, it is. You put Leo and Brad Pitt in a
movie like Let's Go, I'm watching that movie.
Well, yeah, especially just at that time, like I'm thinking
just for Leo at that time, I was like, bro, he is.
Everybody was just in agreement that Leonardo DiCaprio is the
best actor ever. He was on the craziest run that
we've seen of anybody. I feel like just at that time,
like every Leo, that movie it came out, I was so obsessed
with. Yep.
So. Working.
With the best, yeah, Then you only the best, yeah.
Then you throw Brad Pitt into it.
And plus, you've already seen what QT can write up for a guy
like Leo, and so you're just pumped.
Yeah. But yeah, so I say all that to
say that I was disappointed. Just I was a dumb kid that
didn't appreciate what he was going for, which is something
different. Yeah, no, I automatically love
to just hang out with Leo's character and Brad Pitt both
playing just fun characters. Like it's just good.
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This is like this, but this is his most meta movie.
Like he almost criticizes his own career.
He kind of criticizes like Hollywood how it all works.
Like he has some callbacks to his older movies like Kurt
Russell and Zoe Bell being like the stunt coordinators are, you
know, working in the stunts. Cause in Death Proof, stuntman
Mike, that was Kurt Russell. And then Zoe Bell played herself
as a stunt woman. Yeah.
And so you have that kind of call back to his old through his
career. Well.
I think Cliff Booth was like based on Kurt Russell's
stuntman, whether it was in Death Proof or just something.
I I yeah, I heard. The only thing I know about that
is I've heard Tarantino mention that when he was on a movie set
or something, he saw, like, a leading actor and a stuntman
just like sitting back smoking a cigarette, hanging out.
Yeah. He's like, they've been together
for like 20 years and they've just been best friends hanging
out on set. And he's like, that's a really
cool relationship. And then that's where this movie
idea was born. But it was that between that
relationship. Was it not Kurt Russell?
I don't know. I don't know who it was.
I just know that back story. OK, I'd heard that that could
just be completely made-up as things can be on the Internet.
But I I saw like, it was Kurt Russell.
He had something where the role was like a eye patch, too.
And so the stuntman also had eye patch on.
But yeah, they were just hanging out.
Yeah, just chilling. Yeah.
Always travelling together, always working together.
Between takes, they just chit chat and hang out, Just two
boys. Then you have the scene when
Rick is playing the bad guy and you're watching him play like an
evil character. But you like it because we like
Rick. That's kind of Leo's.
That's Leo's career within Tarantino playing Calvin Candy
evil role. But we just like Leo, we want to
see him play a bad guy because he's so good at it.
So when you watch Rick do that, you know, Leo playing Rick
playing this character kind of all the same thing within
Leonardo Dicaprio's, like resume.
Yeah. So that's kind of getting super
meta. Yeah, within the movie.
Oh, dude, this this time around, watching this movie, I was like,
you know what? Every time I go into this movie,
I'm always just excited to hang out with Cliff.
Yeah, I appreciate Rick, but I'm always excited to hang out with
Cliff on this watch. I was like, I'm really just
going to see what it's like to hang out with Rick.
So I just like really, I paid way more attention to him.
Leonardo DiCaprio, because look, he's he's used to doing like
kind of drama roles for the most part.
He's he's done some very brutal roles.
I'm thinking like the Revenant, I think Aviator, just roles like
that. He did The Gangs of New York.
That's a brutal role. The Departed, Nothing funny in
that for his character, but then you do get the occasion.
Oh, and like in Django, he's kind of out there, but he's so
evil. It's really not funny.
And you know, incredibly racist too.
And it's just like, well, we're not necessarily laughing at
Leo's character here. We're more just like, wow,
that's crazy that he can transform like that.
Then in Wolf of Wall Street, I think you do actually get a
sense of the fact that Leo is funny.
Leonardo DiCaprio is funny, but you absolutely get it in this
film. I am crying, laughing.
I, I don't understand, like, 'cause Quentin does like these
really, really long takes too. So, you know, props to, to Brad
Pitt too. But like, just the opening, not
the opening scene, but after the Al Pacino meeting and they're in
the parking lot and he just starts crying and he puts his
head into Brad's sure. He's like, you're gonna go to
fucking row and shoot Italian Western, you know?
And he just does that. Voices he's breaking, he's
crying. Leonardo DiCaprio is funny.
He is. Incredibly funny.
The trailer scene where he's throwing shit all over and he's
like, he's like, if you drink one more God damn drink, I'll
blow your fucking brains out. All improv.
Yeah, he's funny. He's funny, but he's just so
he's such a crazy actor. And Quentin Tarantino is clearly
having fun in this movie because these Western shots that he's
doing with Leo, they're, they look literally, they just look
like Django. Yeah, everything.
Which makes sense because Django's based off of all the
old westerns that you know Rick Dalton's starring in.
Yeah. And so.
But then Leo is pretty much just showing off to these people how
good of an actor he is. Yep.
Playing a bad actor, playing a villain that's played by an
insecure, drunk, stuttering actor who has had a good career,
like, just all this. And Leo is like interweaving,
acting like he's forgotten lines and stuff.
Yep. It's incredible to watch.
So yeah. Then you have Rick being a actor
that's kind of past his prime, but there's a new up and coming
director in Italy that takes a chance on him and you know, now
it restarts his career. Basically.
That's what Tarantino's done his whole career.
Tarantino's brought on like John Travolta was past his prime,
brought him in for Pulp Fiction. People didn't want a minute, but
he's like, I want a minute. David Carradine, you know, after
Kung Fu in his career, then he came back for Kill Bill, Robert
Forrester, Robert Forrester and Pam Grier and Jackie Brown.
They just starred in movies. They weren't really that
relevant anymore. Brings them on to one of his
movies. Then even Christoph Waltz like.
Before ignore his Basterds, you know, he's looking for somebody.
Could not find it. And then he found Christoph
Waltz, who, you know, was kind of past his prime, wasn't really
getting huge movies like he wasn't getting Hollywood.
And boom, I did. Not.
I did not think about that. That's so sick.
So Greg Dalton's playing the people that.
QT go for. QT used to go for, you know, now
he's kind of, I guess he will if he has the opportunity for it,
but he's cool working with the big stars.
Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, everybody that
he's brought on him were big stars at one point.
They're still. They're still big.
Yeah. In the scene where Cliff Booth
goes up to Spawn Ranch from a Tarantino movie, Tarantino,
like, you know, he's so aware of how the audience is perceiving a
movie. He likes it.
He always talks about the roller coaster of emotions, like funny,
then tense, then scary and then brutal and then funny again.
You know, he just rides this roller coaster of emotion.
So he. Keeps everything.
Yeah, he keeps the audience's like, emotion of the movie very
intentional when he writes. And so with the Spawn Ranch
thing, the way he builds it, it's just like a Tarantino scene
where it starts off like you're in a weird spot.
A lot of tension builds, and then something brutally violent
happens. So we we can expect that at
Spawn Ranch where the Manson family is.
But because he knows that we're feeling that way, the payoff is
that it's not that it's an old man that's just content with his
life. And he's like, get the hell out
of here. You're like, oh, whoa.
He said. What was he saying?
Like she loves me so suck on that.
Yeah, which? That character was supposed to
be played by Burt Reynolds, but he passed away before they
filmed it. Burt I mean, I, you know, I can
see it because Burt's incredibly talented.
But no, no, that, that old, that old, that old man.
I say I don't. I feel terrible because he is
not only somebody that I've seen in so many things, but he's been
in other Quentin Tarantino films.
Burt Reynolds. Not Burt Reynolds, the guy that
we do get in this film. Yeah, he's big and hateful 8.
And then he yeah, he's in Django, even if just for a
little bit. But QT just always shown like
you know, I do keep my guy like he has Michael Manson in in
this. Madson.
Madson All right. Too many, too many people.
Yeah, one of the heavies in bounty law.
Yeah, but like, just QT is just like, yeah, there you go.
I I I got something for you. Yeah, yeah.
And Spawn Ranch, I think. Yeah.
Like, I'd still watch this movie remembering it for the first
time, thinking like, damn, I remember what I thought was
about to happen here because you.
I thought it was just going to be a really messed up movie on
Quentin's part that like, it's so nice and you're pretty much
falling in love with Sharon Tate.
And then Cliff gets to the ranch and I'm like, OK, it's time to.
It's time to. Lock it lock.
In It's about to get really messed up now.
So Tarantino's aware of that. So he's, you know, subverting
our expectations because he knows what his movies are like.
Then he even might, he might even be kind of hinting about
his career sort of. And the finale, this is getting
super subtextual. But like, Cliff Booth defends
the house, really. Like, he beats up everybody.
But then Rick Dalton comes out with the flamethrower.
He gets the hero shot. Then at the end, he kind of gets
the credit for it when he's talking to Sharon Tate and Jay
Sebring. And so in Tarantino's famous for
saying, if you want to be a director, you don't have to know
shit about cameras. You don't got to know about
lenses, lighting, none of that stuff.
All you need to know is how to tell your story.
And you hire the best people to do all those other things you
don't know. So he's very open about, you
know, the set is huge when it comes to my productions, like I
need the best people to work with me.
And so, but he when he makes a movie, he always gets the
credit. You know, it's a Tarantino
movie, even though everybody that made it look really good
wasn't Tarantino just a good story from him.
He knows how to direct it. So like, he gets the fame.
So he might even be like critiquing his own name in the
final scene. Now, Rick Dalton kind of fairy
tale. At the end he's like, but I get
all the credit because I'm Rick Dalton.
Tarantino is so interesting, interesting to me because
everybody knows that he, I don't want to say steal shots from
other people because I think QT is like, I think he just loves
films so much that he really is just replicating it.
He's just being, you know, he's paying homage to him and being
honourable in that aspect. But he does just use people
shots. And I actually this time around
I noticed something, but I've never called before.
I've never I've never seen anybody else talk about it.
And I'm sure it's absolutely intentional because Quentin
Tarantino. But we get Al Pacino in this
film and he doesn't play like a major role by any means.
He's just there and just kind of nice to have Al Pacino share the
screen with Leonardo DiCaprio. 2 things that I noticed that I
thought were really cool. One, Leonardo DiCaprio, Rick
Dalton, he's talking to Al Pacino's character and they are
just kind of flashing back to like all these projects that
Rick Dalton has done. Yep.
And one of them is when Rick Dalton plays some type of Nazi
killing character, which we know Quentin Tarantino's big on that.
He knows he we know that he loves somehow incorporating
somebody just killing a bunch of Nazis into a film.
Yep. Well, in that scene, you see
Leonardo DiCaprio like, kind of at the top of a staircase, and
then he comes out with flamethrower and he kills a room
full of Nazis. But right before he does it, he
says, like, something about ordered fried sauerkraut.
Yeah. Did anybody order fried
sauerkraut? He's telling.
And this is Leonardo DiCaprio sharing the scream with Al
Pacino while this happens. And I'm wondering, I think that
they're like paying respect to Scarface, Al Pacino, end of the
movie, comes out, say hello to my little friend and then mows
everybody down. Yeah.
At the top of a staircase, Right.
So there's that. And I was like, totally.
Yeah, absolutely. That's what's going on there.
Yeah. But then the second thing.
And Tarantino is a big Brian De Palma fan.
OK, who made Scarface? OK, so and they blow out this
movie that I haven't seen it yet.
I keep some of my like list and I.
What? What is it?
Got a blowout with John Travolta like the he said this John
Volta's best performance. I want to watch it.
Yeah, we'll watch that. We'll watch that.
So, yeah. OK, so he absolutely.
That's what's going on there. He's like, dude, I got Leo with
sharing the screen with Al Pacino.
What? That's crazy.
So he does that. Then the other thing that I
noticed is that that scene where Al Pacino's character is pretty
much just telling Leo what it is, and they're just getting
real with each other. You know what that what that
scene looks like Heat Robert De Niro talking to Al Pacino while
they're having just a cup of coffee.
The way that it's shot, like I'm thinking of Leo specifically,
you can see like it's shot over Al Pacino's shoulder and just
the whole thing is literally shot like exactly like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I was like, that's this is, you know, this is Quentin
Tarantino in his head. He's like, well, you know, the
the whole world was looking forward to Al Pacino sharing the
screen with Robert De Niro. Those are two greats.
Well, now I get it with Al Pacino and Leonardo DiCaprio.
So thought that was really cool. And that's cool.
And I wholeheartedly believe that that was all intentional.
Yeah, 100% yeah. And then it's funny too, the
when when Leo's using the flamethrower, the little cutaway
when he's like complaining about the heat.
That was just Leo's genuine reaction to the flamethrower
being too hot. In tangent.
I thought it was funny so he just kept it in.
OK, so I didn't know if if I knew that already or not, but I
almost said it while we were watching.
Movie. No, I was just like, dude that
like that just looks like Leo, like his clothes, everything.
Luckily the guy behind him stating character called him
Rick. Yeah, but like I thought that
was, but that also just shows me how good of an actor Leo is.
Because you can't tell. We'll just in that I'm like,
dude, that just he doesn't really, that just looks like
Leonardo DiCaprio. Like he kind of drops a little
bit of the voice, but how how's that really possible?
Like just the way that he's standing and reacting to this,
like I can tell that's not Leonardo DiCaprio acting, that's
just Leo. Right.
But either way, when Leo is acting, you can't tell the
difference between like a genuine, genuine reaction that
he has, which you can tell just because of genuine.
He must have like a sixth sense to like, I feel like to see
somebody's being genuine. But when Leo's just acting, it's
still the same believability, which really shows you how good
of an actor he is. Because when he's being real,
you're like, oh, he probably just acted that, but Nope, that
was real. You can't tell the difference.
That's funny. And then, OK, this is kind of
this is a crazy story from the real Spawn Ranch.
And then how Tarantino tied it a little bit in this movie on the
real Spawn Ranch, there was a there's one ranch hand that
worked there. His name was Shorty Shay, and so
he worked there, and he actually tried to be the one that warned
George Spawn about having the Manson family living at Spawn
Ranch. And so in this movie, well, I
guess, yeah. In this movie, The guy that
plays Clem, who's the one that stuck the knife in Rick Dalton's
car, You know, within fights, Cliff, you come up.
Yeah. That guy ended up jumping and
killing Shorty Shay, the ranch hand at the Spawn ranch and they
scattered his body around the ranch to like hide the evidence.
But in this movie, in the background, you can see one
cowboy in the like, salon, I think it was where with the
horses or something, and you see him there.
So like that would have been Shorty Shay.
So Tarantino's probably including him there in the
background because he's the he's the one ranch hand that worked
there that tried to warn George Bond.
There's so much like what? What was the Manson cult?
What were they about? What did they believe in?
Let's see. Yeah, 'cause I all I know is the
murders. I don't really know.
Much know about I know a little bit about like the I've heard
stuff about like the MK Ultra shit where the CIA was.
Haven't even heard anything about.
That they were like giving people like LSD and like without
letting them know and like seeing if they could get into
mind control shit. Just a lot of weird testing they
would do. And Charlie, yeah, Charles
Manson was a part of the MK Ultra.
Like he was one of the test subjects, but he was the one
that was like going up he. Was involved.
He knew how to control people's minds.
They think they fucked him up, put shit in his mind, then he
got out and then start a fucked up mind.
Like did all this shit because of what happened with him in the
CIA. Scary bro, Allegedly.
I've just seen interviews with Charles Manson and he's very
cocky individual, that guy. Very charismatic.
That too. So the Manzi Family was an
apocalyptic cult active in the late 1960s.
Their core ideology was a bizarre, dangerous fusion of the
counterculture, free love movement, occultism, twisted
interpretations of pop culture, and extreme radical supremacy.
At the center of their belief systems were several core
tenets. Charles Manson convinced his
followers that an apocalyptic race war was imminent.
Race war. Yeah, he believed.
That leads to the end of the world.
Yep, he believed the black population would rise up to
overthrow the white establishment in a catastrophic
war. He termed this war Helter
Skelter, borrowing the phrase from The Beatles 1968.
So I. Said It's really catchy.
He prophesized during that war there during the war, his
followers would hide in an underground city in Death
Valley. After the conflict decimated,
both sides of the Mansa family would emerge to rule over the
survivors. Manson presented himself to his
followers as a second coming of Jesus Christ.
There it. Is he brainwashed them into
believing the family members were the reincarnation of the
original Christians? Manson believed members of The
Beatles were modern day prophets.
He claimed the lyrics on on their self-titled White Album
contained hidden messages directly addressing the Family
and signaling that Helter Skelter was about to begin.
When the preceding race war failed to erupt naturally by the
summer of 1969, Manson directed his followers to commit a series
of gruesome, high profile murders, including the Tate and
La Bianca murders. He instructed them to stage the
crime scene, such as writing words and blood to look like
they were committed by black militants, intending to frame
them and spark the apocalypse himself.
There's a little history lesson on Charles Manson.
Fuck that guy. Apparently.
Who was it? Somebody was in prison like a
actor. It was the dude that plays
Machete. Machete.
Yeah. You know that is there's a
character that just. You know Machete, Danny Trejo.
What? You know Danny Trejo, this guy.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
All right, Yeah. Apparently.
I wish I knew this story better. Apparently he was like in prison
with Charlie Manson. They're like in the same prison.
I think that you're calling him Charlie.
That's what people always say when I'm listening to like
podcasts and shit. Oh, oh Charlie boy.
I guess I'm reaching on the story.
That's what he called. Him OK, Charlie?
Yeah, yeah. And so they protected him
because apparently Charlie had the ability to make you feel
like you could have like a, like a shot of heroin.
He could say words and like hypnotize you enough to where
you would feel like you're on heroin.
So they're like, don't fuck with this guy, he's getting me
through prison. Yeah.
And so they they would protect him because he would do this to
them. And people that take care, when
they say like the first time you do it, you puke.
And these guys when Charlie Manson would hypnotize them or
whatever, they would puke just like they would on heroin, he
said. But if a guy didn't ever has
never done heroin, he could still feel it, but he wouldn't
puke. Oh, so you had to do heroin and
then meet Charles Manson and then he could bring you back to
heroin? Or I think he did the guys that
hadn't done heroin before, and they would still feel it, They
just wouldn't have the puking thing.
So I guess it's tied to your experience with it.
Regardless. That's what they.
He like, apparently had this power with of the mind, which
makes sense of how he's able to, you know, he obviously has some
very persuasive, manipulative way to talk to you to, like,
trick your mind. Yeah.
That's like a thing that, like, you can like, owe his Pearlman
the mentalist. Like he's putting things in your
mind, they trick you. He's setting you up in a way to
where you, like, think of the thing he wants you to think of.
Maybe there's somebody other language reading he does.
Who knows? But mentalism is like persuading
people. And think about the CIA
operatives that go in there. They can just like manipulate.
Right. Yeah.
Just with words, interrogators. I don't know.
I've seen one interview with Charles Manson and he was just
like all over the place. Well, I say all over the place
he was. He just act out like kind of
crazy, but then he would bring it back and I could see kind of
the charisma and I was like, oh this guy, he is well spoken.
I see. You got to be, if you're going
to be a cult leader, yeah, you got to be charismatic.
I still I mean, I remember the first time I saw him in this
film. Shiver me Timbers, bro.
I I got goosebumps and this is me.
I don't even really know much about him.
I think at the time I looked him up because, you know, this movie
was kind of everybody was expecting it to be Quentin
Tarantino's take on the Manson murders.
Yeah. So people were really nervous
about what Quentin Tarantino might do.
Is he going to, like, stylize her murder?
But this is what's so good about the movie.
The Manson families in the background the entire time.
And so the tension's building because it shows a date.
If you know the story, you would probably know the date.
And so then at the end of the movie says the date and the
time. You're like, fuck, here it
comes. You're like, you're not ready.
Like, you're nervous for how brutal this is about to be, you
know, history. But then he switches it up at
the end and you get this insane action sequence where they just
beat the fuck out of him. You're like, oh shit.
It's so satisfying. I remember watching it being
like, oh fuck, here we go. And then I'm like, oh shit, that
was cool. Yeah, no, you're, you're
horrified because it's it's Margot Robbie and she's just
playing this character perfectly, obviously.
Yep. She's just full of life.
Everybody loves her. And now she's pregnant and
you're already feeling bad for her because it's a really hot
day and it's like, oh, she didn't even want to be out and
about, you know, poor. Did somebody get that Lady in
bed now? I'm tired of seeing her act like
she's happy. And then they run in the Cliff.
Now you're having fun because they're just getting the shit
beat out of them because they're weird.
So yeah, like, that was really nice.
It was really nice for him to do.
He really just, you know, it's a movie so you can get away with
like just historical inaccuracies.
So there's that his take on that.
And he's like, this is how I wish it would have gone down.
Then there's a little bit of controversy in this film.
A lot of a lot of Bruce Lee lovers out there did not like
this film. It doesn't make sense to me.
You don't. Are you one of them?
No, I don't. It doesn't make sense of why
they're mad, OK? I think they're mad because
Quentin Tarantino made him look like an asshole.
I know, but you? Arrogant but.
If you watch the movie, it's Cliff Booth remembering
something. So it's very clearly Cliff
Booth's memory. There you go.
Go get him. And so the disrespectful parts
of Bruce Lee is how Cliff Booth would have remembered Bruce Lee
if they had an altercation. Because Cliff Booth thinks he's
the man. He does stunts, right?
So in Cliff Booth's mind. Bruce Lee is a loudmouth
douchebag. Yeah, and he beat the shit of
him. Yeah.
And then, you know, he kind of exaggerate.
Like it's pretty insane to think that, like, you could throw a
lead actor against a car who's like, skilled in martial arts,
right? So.
It's a memory, so you have to take that into consideration.
It's not literally a Bruce Lee like in the scene of like what
would be real life in the movie doing that?
It was a memory. That's pretty good, I like that.
I've never thought about that before.
Was Bruce Lee known as an asshole?
Tarantino said that he thinks he was pretty cocky.
That's why he because because when people were criticizing
him, he's like he was. 1st. Off, you know, I Tarantino dying
on, dying on the hill. Yeah.
He'll never back down. Right.
But yeah, of course. But I'm also look, man, like
I've, I'm not crazy like in the Hollywood business like that.
But like I've worked on enough commercial sets, even some film
sets, like to see what it takes to really be an actor, you have
to be charismatic. You have to be extremely
confident, like, I mean almost like godly confident where it's
like, dude, how are you just waking up?
Like not insecure, like how do you do this?
And like those are just the things.
So it's like that's not a horrible take that and you also
have to be just kind of out there.
You just have to have like that it factor in like that from what
I've seen is like that's what it takes.
So Bruce Lee being a guy that commands a room, he's also the
lead in whatever series that Cliff Booth is remembering.
Like, so obviously, like he's probably got some stories to
tell. He's, you know, an expert in
hand to hand martial arts. So it's just like it would make
sense that he would have these hot takes.
And some of the criticism, I think Bruce Lee gets them, maybe
Tarantino's kind of taking it from.
I'm not saying this. This is criticism other people
say so Bruce Lee fans don't get mad at me.
Yeah, but people will argue that.
Like Bruce Lee knows martial arts, but he does it for movies
where she doesn't actually fight like AUFC Fighter's.
Like I could take Bruce Lee because they're banging every
day. Like for real.
Yeah, Bruce Lee's in movies, even though he has training, he
is black belt and whatever and martial art guy.
But that's like some of the criticism that.
So Tarantino's probably playing into that.
I mean, he likes a few Bruce Lee movies.
I don't there's some he doesn't like but.
Dude, remember, I think. He like, I think he likes Bruce
Lee. It's just that he's, you know,
he's very honest with his opinion.
Sure, he doesn't cut. He doesn't make things sweet for
no reason. Maybe.
I mean, look, I, I saw he went on Joe Rogan's show and I think
Joe Rogan had like criticized Quentin Tarantino for doing this
and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
And I think he was like, Can you believe he did that?
Why did he do that? You know, and then he gets
Quentin on the show and Joe Rogan, you know, he was like,
alright, like why did you do that?
And I don't know what the full answer was, but I do know that
Quentin, all he said was he was like, you know, his daughter had
a problem with that. And that that makes sense.
I totally understand why his daughter would be offended by
that, right? But everyone else, fuck off.
It was like, suck my Dick. Like, I don't care what you
think. Yeah, I mean, I think it's shit.
It's literally. But I think about, I think about
Kill Bill, you know, we had, there's that that video that I
watched and we talked about on the Kill Bill episode about how
it's like pretty much like a Bruce Lee revenge story.
I think way too many things went in to Kill Bill for that to just
be a theory. Like part of me thinks that like
that is Quentin Tarantino, the underlying kind of genius.
So I I think there's just plenty of respect and Bruce Lee is so
beloved in Hollywood. Like, yeah.
And again, if, if Bruce Lee was the bad ass, like, you know,
came off in the best way possible in Cliff's memory, be
like, damn, Cliff's an asshole. But you want to like Cliff, so
you got to have him fight a guy that's kind of full of himself.
Yeah, you know, it's just, that's just dumb controversy.
The family. OK, I get it, I guess.
But like for real, it was a freaking memory.
I know, I know. But it is just that depiction.
I mean, you have Bruce Lee like you know what it is?
It's him going, like, and then Cliff going and then throws him
against the car. Or I guess he's already thrown
him against the car, but like, he's just being made fun of.
And then he talks about himself in the third person, which is,
like, the douchiest thing you could ever do.
I said, First off, Bruce Lee was not getting his ass whooped.
Yeah, just Bruce Lee fans hated. That and what's funny, Bruce
Lee's line when he says you too pretty to be a stuntman.
Burt Reynolds actually came up with that line because Burt
Reynolds was casted, but he passed away before they could
shoot it. And so Burt Reynolds came up
with that line, you know, joke like giving Brad Pitt a hard
time, like you're too pretty to be a stuntman.
Like suggested that line thinking it was good.
And Quentin Tarantino said it would have never made the movie
unless Bruce, unless Burt Reynolds didn't say it because
it came from Burt Reynolds. We're going to put it in the
movie. Nice to honor him.
He respect dude. He respects everybody.
He respects everybody, I think, except.
Paul Dano who? Tarantino.
Who's Paul Dano? That's the guy he criticized
saying he's the worst actor. Hollywood.
Yeah, there won't be blood. That was a shit performance.
Yeah, that, Yeah, That poor guy. That poor guy.
Just out of nowhere, just like their own.
Just straight shade for like literally no reason.
Yeah. And it's it, it is a good
performance too. So like.
He could have just like he could have just been like, you know,
Dana Ray Lewis, phenomenal performance.
It's like almost overshadows the other actors because it's so
good. Leave it there buddy.
Daniel Day Lewis, just God, I'm just feeling so bad for his
character that he's having to share the screen with this piece
of shit. Also, isn't the point, yeah,
isn't the point that Daniel is like this unstoppable force?
Like nobody can live up to Daniel's greed and hunger for
more. Yeah.
Anyway. We love that movie.
That's a good. That's a good role by Paul
Daniel. I know Quinn Tarantino is wrong.
I actually I don't think I agree with a lot of things that
Quentin Tarantino probably stands for, but the guy, the guy
makes good movies. I really, I don't even know what
I don't, I don't know, like the beliefs of Quentin Tarantino.
He's Jewish. I try to not do that to.
My son, he lives in, he's a house in LA, in Israel.
Tricky, tricky, tricky. He actually lives in Israel.
Feel like I've heard that too. I don't care dude, I just, I'll
just try and watch the movie. I do that with.
I honestly, I do that with pretty much all celebrity.
I don't really try to pay attention to what celebrities
are doing. Doesn't matter because one, I've
tried to pay attention to what they do just to like, I, I guess
like kind of fit in and you know, be cool, right?
Have something to offer at the table.
Then I was like, wow, I truly don't care.
I truly could care less about this.
So like Quentin Tarantino, like I even we read his book in
college. I tried, I tried.
Yeah, hold on. Let me, let me fix that.
I, it was really cool at the beginning because and it was
really cool at the beginning. I don't know what exactly turned
me off. I think I was expecting more
Quentin Tarantino like knowledge.
Yes, I was. And I was enjoying it because
there were, yeah, we still have it up there.
That's so embarrassing. That's so no, that's not
embarrassing. That's funny that we have a book
up there and neither one of us have finished it.
But we still were like, let's put that in the background.
I was enjoying it because I recognize a lot of the films
that he mentioned that I was a big fan of.
So I thought that was cool to like, kind of hear him like
breaking him down. I don't know what turned me off.
I mean dude, I was like 4 years ago that I tried to read but I
think it was more just like holy shit, Quentin Tarantino just has
a whole book. About movies, that he likes
movie criticism. Yeah, yeah.
I enjoyed, like his background. I Yeah, I remember that in the
book he just like kind of talked about like, this is what I did
as a kid. This is how I grew up.
You. Know how like he in the book he
talks about him going to like adult movie theatres.
Yes, as a child. And I remember him talking about
like going to like, kind of like the the all black theatres like
in LA, Yeah. How much more fun they were.
In the movie, when they're walking, they're like when JC
Bring tells Sharon Tate, oh, they're doing an adult movie
premiere over there. It's like adult movies, high
premieres. Apparently Tarantino owns that
adult movie theater. He's have a different name than
they say in the movie, but apparently he owns that theater.
I don't know if it's an adult movie theater, but he owns that
theater, whatever it is. I mean, but what I read
suggested it was an adult movie theater.
QT owns an adult movie theater. I mean, if there's been one in
Hollywood that's been there forever, would they just keep it
there? Yeah, I mean, I, I don't know.
I. Don't know either but.
One doesn't like him owning a theatre doesn't surprise me.
Him owning a theatre that is also an adult movie theatre also
does not surprise me. No, he he's an interesting
character, that Quentin Tarantino guy, because.
Overwhelmingly lets you know I love beat.
Yeah. That's an odd thing to just.
It's just really in there. Consistently.
Yeah, like his first, you know,
he did that film with Robert Rodriguez, Till Dusk, Till Dawn,
which I'm not like the biggest fan of it.
That one takes a insanely weird turn.
And I was turned off by the fact because I was really into George
Clooney's character. And then it just is like, fuck
it, we're just vampires. New movie.
New movie alert. Completely new movie and what's
her name? Salma.
Salma Hayek. Salma Hayek this.
Is the wildest thing. Yeah, he just writes.
Yeah, Tarantino wrote part of the movie with Robert Rodriguez,
and there's a scene where the character Quinn Tarantino wrote
that he then plays gets Salma Hayek to seductively dance in
front of him and then stick her foot in his mouth.
Yep. And he wrote that, yeah.
And he played it. I don't know how much he.
Casts Salma Hayek. She looked good.
She did look good, what makes it even worse?
It was one of those where like I typically when it comes to
scenes like that, I'm like, alright, does it progress the
story anything or does it do anything for the plot that we're
seeing? But at that point we've thrown
any type of plot I. Mean in that movie.
She ends up becoming a vampire. She is a vampire, but in that
movie it makes sense because she's like vampire seductive,
you know, sure. So like you got to include that
I would say in a vampire movie, like it actually tracks.
It's not just kind of out of nowhere.
It's like kind of a theme for vampire movies.
True hot vampire men with foot fetishes.
You're right. You're right.
By my neck please. Yeah, he's like, I will, but let
me get let me get them toes. Yeah.
Let me get them toes. So yeah.
But hey, I mean, when you make good stuff, they let that shit
slide. Oh I forgot to say this too.
One other like meta thing that Tarantino does is the director
of Operation Dynamite. Margaret.
Antonio Margaretti is the director, which is the alias and
Inglorious bastards for Donowitz.
He keeps it in the universe. He keeps it fun.
Keeps it fun he. Keeps it fun.
Yeah. I love that he, you know, he
sure. I think he'd been writing this
movie. I, I watched this interview like
this is like a 4 minute thing of him just kind of explaining how
this film came into fruition. And it started out as a novel
and then it like kind of went between a novel and a play, like
just back and forth, back and forth.
But it took him like 8 years to like finish it.
He said like in between movies he would just go back and just
write and work on this to get him back in the swing of like
writing things. But it is funny like he, he got
Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio to be the stars in it, which
hey, it was like an attractive thing for everybody.
I was like, dude, 2 of like the guys, the like the most
Hollywood guys guy the coolest guys in the business sharing the
screen. The line that that Cliff Booth
tells Rick Dalton, when he's like, you're fucking Rick
Dalton. Don't you forget that.
That was improv by Brad Pitt. Because in the 90s when he was a
building actor, somebody told him that, yeah, before like a
scene, he's like, you're, you're fucking Brad Pitt.
Don't you forget that. So like he then improved it for
this movie. Yeah, which I because I don't
think QT does a lot of improv. I think it's typically Nope.
You read exactly how it's written cause Quentin Tarantino
literally has the movie in his head.
Right. And he's just.
Recreated. And when he sees it, yeah.
And he's like, put it in. I literally know how I want it
delivered. Everything.
So. So not a lot of improv gets in
there. Yeah, so.
But it's nice. There's more in this movie than
probably any of his other movies with the the trailer scene when
Rick Dalton's freaking out at himself, pissed off at his bad
delivery, the flamethrower deal, improv, and then that Brad
Pittline. Yeah, that's way more than
Tarantino ever usually allows. Right.
Yeah. I feel like we even movies that
we've watched by QTI will say on the podcast, like, I refuse to
believe that this was in the script.
And then we will look up the script.
It's verbatim. That's crazy.
Yeah. But yeah.
So it's pretty cool to see that. But I was saying just like, you
know, having Brad and Leo like in the same movie, have you have
you seen the photo shoot that they that they did where it's
like Brad and Leo and they look cool as shit.
We pulled that up before. No, we have, yeah, they got the,
they got the top off. And then Quentin Tarantino was
like, God, aren't we? Aren't we cool?
Yeah, yeah, you have the two. Yeah, Brad Pitt and DiCaprio.
The most handsome dude. Just like handsome.
As hell. And Tarantino's in there like
Subway. He's trying like he's trying his
best. It's one of the best.
To be. Yeah.
He's done it. You know, he he wrote it, made
it. He's like, I am.
I am one of the cool boys. This is this is the award I get.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's so funny to me. I've even heard somebody
describe Cliff and Rick as like two sides of Tarantino, like
Tarantino feeling like he has to constantly fight for relevance,
you know, and he's always coming out with hot takes to stay in
the loop and like the insecure part of him a little bit.
And then Rick Cliff is his just I'm a badass.
Just I'm just coasting through it and I will make do with what
I get. Yeah, so it's like the two sides
of Tarantino's, like mine, like the ego with Rick and like, I
guess what he believes there's actual skill in Cliff.
I'm the fucking man. I look cool as shit.
I do work on my roof with my shirt off.
And you know, Margot Robbie's looking.
Yeah, I can. Tarantino sees himself.
Yeah, I can get away with smoking cigarettes all day,
drinking beer and eating Mac and cheese and still having a six
pack and my shirt comes off. And I get to suck toes whenever
I. Want.
Yeah, of course, of course. I mean, he even has Cliff food.
Look at Margaret Quali's feet when she puts them up on the
dash. Oh nice, so.
What would I do? Yeah, You know, what's
interesting is like, I feel like since this movie came out, Brad
Pitt, like he's acting. But like, since this movie came
out, Brad Pitt has just been Cliff Boot.
I think it, no, I think it actually stems from Out of Rain.
The voice from Out of Rain kind of stuck with him for the rest
of his career. And the voice.
Yeah, like the way he talks. No, I just mean like the way
that Brad carries himself. But yeah, but.
Like he's just dude, I think he is just completely chilled out
now. He is just doing his thing.
F1 you know he washed up race car driver.
Yeah, but I'm thinking, what else has he done?
Oh, he did. He did a bullet train.
He's just kind of, yeah, very, very, very carefree.
But I there, I, I say this because I had already been
thinking it, but I looked it up. I was like Brad Pitt interview
about Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
And he did mention he was like just kind of caught me at a
point in my life where I was very free and just, you know,
kind of unfazed by anything he said.
Like, you know, you look for the best.
And he was talking about Cliff, but he was like, this is where I
am now. He was like, I look for the best
in people, but I'm not surprised when I don't get the best.
And it's very much like Cliff Booth.
Like he just, he's just kind of along for the ride.
He's picking up hitch hikers and all that.
But then tire gets stabbed and he grabs the dude, beats the
shit out of him, makes him fix the tire.
But he's like, not angry, right? Just like, this is how I'm going
to get my job done. Yep, this is how this.
Is going to go yeah, this is what you caused.
But just, I've seen interviews with Brad Pitt where I'm just
like this dude, like it makes sense that he's just like the
chillest guy ever. Like the whole world just loves
him. You know, just like he made he
made it in Hollywood. People love having him in
movies, pretty much have any woman he wants.
It's like just known. So like, yeah, it makes sense
that he's just like the chillest dude, just all that.
Fucking pit but. Since this brotherhood came out,
I'm like, yeah, like Brad is just pretty much not stopped
being Cliff. And the car, like the car, like
Cliff drives the Cadillac, is actually Michael Madsen's.
Nice, nice, Michael. Madsen donated to the 'cause.
I think I saw that it's also in Reservoir Dogs.
Really. I believe so.
It's like the, yeah, it's the same exact car.
Are you talking about Cliff driving Rick Dalton's car?
Yeah, Yeah, I think I saw that that was in Reservoir Dogs as
well. So see, like QT is just always
like throwing that shit out. Which means that QT either used
Michael Madsen's car for Reservoir Dogs, or QT gave that
car to Michael Madsen after Reservoir.
Dogs. Yeah, yeah.
That's funny. But with the so the ending, it's
kind of it's kind of funny on this watch, I kind of thought
about, you know, at the end, it's like fairy tale music.
The camera rises up. It's called Once Upon a time in
Hollywood. So like the ending is very much
of A fairy tale type ending where it's it might be kind of
reminding actors or aspiring people or people outside of
Hollywood that like this is the fairy tale version of Hollywood
because Rick Dalton gets away with he'd like, you know, he's
able to save his career with the chance.
That doesn't happen with every actor.
A lot of actors don't work. You know, we only know like,
there's the acting world of like Hollywood ain't that big and the
grand scheme of how many people are trying, right And so.
And I especially back then, God, I mean, there's so many more
shows and movies being made now, but back then, right?
Like, dude, you have 7 channels that you can flip on.
Yeah. And then like, if you want to go
see a new movie, you have to go to the theater, so.
You're you're reminded of that at the end there's.
Just a select few. And then Sharon Tate being
alive, like, that's just a fairy tale.
So it just kind of reminds you of like.
This isn't real. Isn't really how it happened.
Yeah, this is just QT. Yeah, I think kind of put it
like bringing it to life of what everybody thinks of.
I mean it's. What he grew up, it's what the
area he grew up in. It's nostalgia.
It's it's his nostalgic look on that old school golden age of
Hollywood. Yeah.
And he fucking nails it. So you love it too.
Yep. Get to hang out in this world
and you're like, damn, this is dope.
The colours, the way they shoot it, it's all just magnificent.
That's so good. It's so good.
You know what I want to do? I there's a book.
He he did make it into a book. It started out as a novel and it
did end up being a novel. And I want, I want to read it
because I think there's more about Cliff, like his
background. I mean, there's so much more
after this movie that they're making the adventures of Cliff
Booth. I know David Fincher.
I know. That's great.
Yeah. So written by Quentin Tarantino,
but directed by David Fincher. So we're getting the best of
both Brad Pitt worlds because Brad Pitt has made money with
David Fincher. So it's going to be pretty cool,
probably. It's gonna be interesting seeing
Fincher's take on a Tarantino script.
Well, I think not only that, but like Fincher.
Like how much of A Tarantino style is he going to incorporate
and like how this movie looks? Right.
But I'm just saying, like even based on the trailer, like you
can already tell, like the coloring is going to be just
much more different. This is in Quentin's.
Like we get vibrant colors. It's yellow.
Yeah, golden age, right? Right.
You know, I feel like in the trailer it was already like,
more bleak. How?
Fincher. Yeah, how Fincher does it.
So, you know, I'm curious to see what that story's going to look
like. I'm curious to see if Leo has
any type of in that, You know, I doubt it.
Well, I don't know, because in this film, after he gets done
killing those fucking hippies, he goes up to Sharon Tate's
house and she's married to like the hottest director in the game
right now. And he's like, you know, I'm
just one more. I'm one conversation away from
being in, you know, the biggest movie in the in the country in
the world. And so it ends with him going
and having a conversation after he's done a badass thing.
So, you know, he's going to be kind of the man.
They're going to see him in that.
Life the hot list. Yeah, and Cliff is his stun
double. So I don't know, like, how are
you going to make a whole movie about Cliff years after this
incident and not bring up Rick Dalton?
And if you do bring up Rick Dalton, how do you not show him
like on a movie screen or? You might do.
That or, or yeah, or it could just be like, it could be as
simple as like Rick ended up making money for like a car
commercial, you know, and that's all he does.
And you don't need stunt double S to to do a car commercial.
When does that movie come out? It's this year.
I don't know. I don't know what month. 2026
film, It'll come out. Hopefully in the summer.
Cool. With Netflix your debut in IMAX
theaters for two weeks on November 25th and global
streaming premiere on December 23rd.
Best believe I'm going to see that movie in theaters.
I'll try. I'll try.
You'll be able to see that movie in theaters.
Yeah, Sarah will be old enough. It'll be old enough.
We can babysitter. Yeah, we can get a babysitter
because I know Mercedes, you don't want to see that too.
Yep, come over and watch the baby.
I mean, Mercedes are going to go watch Cliff Cliff Booth.
Yeah, Cliff's going to have a mustache in this one, so that's
cool, you know, But. Mustache baby.
Yeah, I'm hyped for that one. Hype for Leo heat 2?
What? How insane is that?
Is Leonardo DiCaprio in Heat 2? Bro yes.
What? Who is it?
Christian Bale, Right? It's Leo and Christian Bale.
Yep. And then?
Austin Butler. Yeah, Austin Butler, Adam
Driver, Bradley Cooper's in it, bro.
Leo Christian Bale, Bradley Cooper, Austin Butler, Adam
Driver and Heat 2. What is Heat 2 going to be
about? 1988 Chicago Macaulay and his
gang carry out robberies on the West Coast and the Mexican US
border. Detective Hannah kills Macaulay.
Bro, this is OH kills Macaulay in a confrontation at LAX.
Years later in LA, Hannah hunts down Chris Chirilis, the group's
last survivor. In the future, I think.
Is it cannon to he won? Yeah.
OK, Pacino's in it, apparently. Whoa, old.
Pacino running down. Still, still doing blow.
Yeah, I think Adam Driver plays. I don't know, honestly.
It's Michael Mann, though, right?
He's still, you know. Still Michael Mann.
Yeah, all right, bro. I mean, yes, I'm excited, but
like Cliff Booth, I'll look for the best in things, but I won't
be surprised when they disappoint me.
Oh, Christian Bale might be playing Vince and Hannah or the
OR the villain. OK, Adam, Driver's going to be
Neil McCauley. When is it supposed to come out
I. Don't know, just there's very
little info. Just the cast.
But you know, it's we're taking
this shit serious. This ain't going to be no
bullshit remake. We got DiCaprio in this hoe.
I don't just pick bullshit movies either.
OK, I mean, yeah, you're right. And Leo I trust.
I feel like honestly, Christian
Bale too, like he some movies I watch that he has done, I'm
like, that was a good role. He's good in that.
Not the Thor movie. Sometimes, yeah, go make some
money. Sometimes you got to get a fat
Disney chick. Yeah, sometimes.
Yeah. Hey, who doesn't want to play
both sides of the superhero world?
It's like, wow, I got to be in Marvel and DC.
And also I think Christian Bale did good in that Marvel movie.
Like people were impressed by his performance.
Yeah, I'm going to say movies ass.
Does the movie suck? It's got to, it's got to be ass.
Why? I think it was like Thor 3.
Yeah, you know, maybe. I mean, I, I don't really watch
them anymore. You know what Marvel movies I
watch now? I watch like Guardians of the
Galaxy of those movies. Old school I watch old school
Iron Man not that long ago. That's what I'm saying.
But like, I'm done watching I I say that I'm totally going to
watch that doomsday movie. Fuck yeah, you got to see what
happens. Got to see what happens.
I'm not watching all the fell, all the movies surrounding it.
Yeah, like, yeah. I'm just watching a YouTube
video. What do I need to know?
All right, and then pop in. Right.
Oh yeah. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Should we get back to that movie?
Probably a good idea. Should we write it?
Yeah, I'll do it. Yeah.
All right. What do you have for Once Upon a
Time in Hollywood? As you can imagine, it's going
to be up there. Yep.
I mean, we're we're QT guys over here.
His films are, they're just, they're fun.
And this is one of those. Like I said, it disappointed me
at the beginning because I was a kid that didn't know no better.
This one is aged beautifully. I watched it in.
There's a super nice theater. It's in Texas.
I don't know if it's anywhere else.
They're called ipic theatres. There's actually one of the
domain. OK.
And it's like a fucking luxury movie theater.
It was like the first ever movie theater that you pressed a
button to have shit delivered to you.
And that was like unheard of when I went as a kid, when I
watched this movie in that theater.
And you recline your seat back. Recline your seat back you're in
a pod which is one of the person like everyday you're like like a
little private pod. You get a blanket and a pillow.
The popcorn is the best movie popcorn I've ever had in my
life. I picked the sponsor US for
this. It's called ipic.
Ipic are we, are we sponsored by them?
No, we need to be there were the tickets are like a little bit
more expensive, like it might be like $35 for a movie ticket, but
you get the popcorn's free. Oh, you just.
Whoa, hey, that right there. Yeah, it's fucking sick.
I pick. I pick it's not the cool part
was like you guys should deliver to you, but that was like that's
a new thing nowadays that I think I pick started or at least
was like the Super early adopter of press a button and we'll come
bring whatever the fuck you want.
And you're telling me they didn't reach out to us to try
and get a deal because right now this is just Free Press.
It's. Badass theatre I pick.
All right, what you got? We'll, we'll come find you.
We'll make it happen. For acting 10 out of 10.
Yep. Yeah.
Writing 10 out of 10? Yep.
Editing, 9 out of 10. Cinematography, 9 out of 10.
How? Dare you?
Enjoyability 10 out of 10 it's a 9.6 out of 10 you just.
Did you just did that to lower your score?
You just didn't want to give it a 10F.
Score. It's a great film.
I have acting 10 and F-10 writing 9 out of 10.
Only because it's not his best script ever.
You know, glorious bastards Django and Shane.
I put those before this movie, sure.
So I'm just giving it 9 to lower my score.
Editing 10 out of 10, Cinematography 10 out of 10,
Enjoyability 10 out of 10, for a total score of 9.8.
I don't know why you jumped on my throat.
You didn't have to do that unless you were a 10 out of 10.
Two nines for editing and cinematography, the two the two
categories. Didn't even go into it.
Yeah, didn't even go into it and pressure over that.
Plus I love just him. Like just with the Hollywood in
the 70s, Quentin Tarantino did a damn good job.
So it actually looked fantastic. Vibe Movie.
Pure vibe movie. It's just it's insane to like
have a hangout movie be that good.
Yeah. Does Once Upon a Time in
Hollywood make it into your top five Tarantino films?
Does he have 999? Yes.
You think there's top five for you?
Yeah, I put it above Hateful 8. What would what would you say
your top five Tarantino films are?
Django and Shane and Glorious Basterds.
Pulp Fiction. Once Upon a time I swapped
those. Lucky I might put Once Upon a
time. Third, Pulp Fiction.
Four. Wow. #5 would be eightful 8.
Eightful 8 over Reservoir Dogs or.
I like Reservoir Dogs but it's not one of my favourites of his
to be honest. Really.
Like I like, it's good. I love the feel of Reservoir
Dogs. Yeah.
Like I don't, I don't really throw that one on too much.
Damn, damn, I got Inglorious basterds #1 yeah.
Pulp Fiction number 2. Django #3 Honestly, I love
Jackie Brown, but I don't think she's in the top five.
But at the same time, Robert De Niro really good in that.
They're all really good in that film.
No, no, no. Damn death proof.
No, it's not in there. I need to rewatch Death Proof to
just totally rewatch it, just to understand.
But I think I'll have to go Reservoir Dogs.
It might be. It might be.
It might be Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Yeah. No Kill Bill in there.
No, no, no. I love all those movies.
But yeah, I think I'll put Once Upon a Time over Kill Bill.
Yeah, because I'm just, I mean, we're just straight up chilling.
Chilling with some bad ass characters.
Yeah, like it's just a fun ride. So yeah, I guess I, I did not
think I was going to have it in my top five until just now.
I surprised myself sometimes. All right, well, thank you guys
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