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From the Great Central Fire 
today we had a new format. 

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We actually had a pair of 
guests, 2 of the Walsh boys, 

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Mike and Robbie, long time 
coach, campers and staff and boy

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it was great to visit with them 
today and and you guys are 

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really going to enjoy this 
episode. 

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We were able to talk about how 
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Saint Louis, the impact that Tim
Hindley had, and a few great 

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stories of him at camp. 
We revisited the one and only 

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Kuchicheng man story with Jamie 
Varley, the impact that camp has

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had on their lives and their 
professions moving forward, 

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which was outstanding. 
Hanging the Jeep in the dining 

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hall. 
You'll need to hear that one. 

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We shared stories to get others 
to participate in the podcast 

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and we invite you to do so. 
And then of course, we threw a 

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couple questions that Mike and 
Robbie at the end that you'll, 

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you'll, you'll run joy here. 
And so sit back and relax and 

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enjoy our conversation with Mike
and Robbie Walsh from the great 

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Central fire today. 
Oh boy, everybody get the 

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seatbelts on. 
Strap it in. 

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We are first time on this 
podcast doing two people at the 

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same time and you know, just 
being a long time camp person, a

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lot of names come through there 
that that jump out at you that 

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that are that are big time names
and big part of the tradition. 

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And today we've got two guys 
that whose family is certainly 

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fits that and what a fun time 
we're going to have today 

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talking with Robbie and Mike 
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Fellas, how we doing today? 
We're doing good, Jeff. 

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This is fun to be in front of 
the camera for once in front of 

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the microphone. 
Are you in Utah, Robbie? 

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Yeah. 
Jeff, thanks for having me. 

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I yeah, I'm in Park City, UT. 
OK. 

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Yeah, wow, long time listener. 
First time, yeah. 

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Well, we're glad you guys are on
here. 

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And what I what, what's, what's 
that, Mike? 

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Real quick before we get into 
the the meat of this 

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conversation, Jeff, you know, I 
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there may know this, but, you 
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producing the podcast is 
something that I've been helping

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out with. 
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scenes and all the episodes so 
far. 

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And it's just so exciting to see
this thing come together. 

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And Jeff, you've been, like Rob 
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awesome job. 
Yeah. 

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I appreciate that, but we all I 
know, we both know what's 

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running this thing and that's 
you. 

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I'm just on the microphone and 
taking directions from you. 

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That's. 
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It's it's been a fun way to 
yeah, to re engage with camp and

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and learn and hear some of these
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So I've really enjoyed it, yeah.
Yeah, we want to keep telling 

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them. 
And so I can't wait for today. 

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I'm sure there'll be a few 
laughs in this one. 

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This is going to be. 
This is going to be. 

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Good. 
No, we're going to. 

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We're going to keep it really 
serious, Jeff. 

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This is yeah, OK, Good luck. 
Very serious tone. 

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Yeah, that's the vibe. 
Yeah, whatever. 

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That's not go anywhere near 
that. 

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But hey, let's talk. 
I I love talking with people 

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about how they found out about 
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Your family. 
I know your older brother Pat, 

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was he first coming to camp 
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And then of course, Brendan, I 
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on a trip. 
And then Mike, you were younger.

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I didn't have you in, you were 
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then I was out of there by the 
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But what? 
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out about it? 
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give my version of it. 
Rob, you chime in, you know, the

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way I always kind of tell the 
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all traces back to Artie Heuer. 
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to, you know, ring a bell for a 
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But, you know, Long story short,
our oldest brother, Patrick, the

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understanding was that Patrick 
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summer and he was causing some 
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for our parents in particular. 
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in Colorado to send them to you.
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recommended like, hey, get, get 
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the house, get them, you know, 
doing active things in the 

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summertime. 
And he was all set up to go to 

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this camp in Colorado. 
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go, it closed down. 
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Yeah, it was. 
I think it was called Holy 

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Cross. 
Holy Cross, 1986. 

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And you know, when that 
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right, now what what's Plan B? 
And that's where Rd. 

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Ewer said you should check out 
this place up in Minnesota 

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called Camp Kucheng. 
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from there. 
They sent Patrick up that summer

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for eight weeks. 
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that first year, which I think 
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It was. 
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Yeah, summer of 86. 
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And the way I heard, just to add
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that came through and they said 
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And I think Tim Hindy was there 
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the door. 
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Like I'm getting them all. 
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Four. 
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my parents talk about it, you 
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changed kit. 
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difference in him and he loved 
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And the way I understood it was 
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they're all going. 
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Patrick went back and our 
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eight weeks as an intermediate 
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then, you know, staggered us in.
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summers, then Rob started going.
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your first summer. 
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We we had to rotate in and out 
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you know, it's not a not kept, 
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Pocketbook a little bit there 
I'm. 

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Sure. 
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Patrick was not there, but but 
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intermediate and I was there. 
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junior. 
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And and then I think, you know, 
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going for 9 summers, Brendan 
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understood Brendan, Brendan 
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cherishes those two summers. 
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those years, those high school 
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girls right and so loved it. 
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the long run, which was fine. 
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Yeah, he was a He was a really 
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He ended up swimming in College 
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Miami, Ohio. 
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Yeah, I went to the Nationals 
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He was way. 
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Where did Brennan go to school? 
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OK, OK. 
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the long runs that we did. 
Rob, you end up doing I think 11

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summers total. 
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know, late 80s and. 
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right behind you. 
So my summer of 89, I was a 

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first year junior, went up for 8
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camp before I ever even went up 
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You know, because I was the the 
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call me and watch my older 
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would come up at the end to 
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And I was just counting the days
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Cooch. 
This just sparked my memory, but

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I remember chanting when I was, 
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I'm a future Kutcher. 
I'm a future Kutcher. 

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I'm a future. 
Kutcher That's good. 

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I used to say it. 
Over and over again, all the 

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time. 
I in the early years too, Mike, 

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I, I went, I went up as a first 
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second year junior. 
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junior to a first year 
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wanted to keep Mike and I 
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So we had our own sort of camp 
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Our own Lane, I thought was in 
hindsight a really, really cool 

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thing that he. 
Did I forgot about that? 

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That that does make sense, yeah.
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story. 
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all four of us just absolutely 
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still are in love with the place
to this day, you know, and then.

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God, we miss her badly. 
Your mom worked at camp for a 

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while. 
Oh yeah, Marian Walsh. 

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I know, I know my mom would 
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things. 
You know, I wasn't really 

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working there then. 
I know your mom well, but my mom

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would have just come home and 
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offseason. 
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Bit Oh, they were buds. 
They were buds. 

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Well, it's funny, Rob, I want to
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But when, when you know, my mom,
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like we did. 
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that she was kind of thinking 
about going to work for camp, we

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were kind of like, what? 
Really. 

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It was, it was kind of a 
lukewarm reception. 

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I. 
Think we're trying? 

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To get away from you. 
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us processing that saying like, 
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Like part of what we love about 
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and be independent up there on 
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thing. 
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there now that this is going to 
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ended up being the best thing 
ever because I, we quickly 

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realized kind of the perks that 
came from having your mom up 

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there, laundry, cash when you 
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And then when we were older, you
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you know, it was always such a 
nightmare trying to find a lift 

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in the town or, you know, try to
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Rob and I had access to mom's 
boat when we were in those older

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staff years and that was huge. 
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was so good about understanding 
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when she needed to, you know, if
you're kind of crossing paths on

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the island, you know, she 
wouldn't kind of meddle in our 

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affairs up there at camp, which 
was so cool that she understood 

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that. 
And when we needed stuff, we 

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would go be able to go down and 
access her cabin down the point 

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and she would help us out with 
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So it was. 
It was so great. 

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But she understood it too. 
She knew. 

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Understood what it was about and
knew to keep her distance so 

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that you guys could have your 
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You know, 100% and and then 
became kind of her own, you 

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know, she formed her own posse. 
I mean, your mom, you know, Rita

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Black and and they, they stirred
some shit up too. 

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I mean they. 
Would we'll, we'll we'll get to 

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that. 
I've I've got a few. 

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Stories, they were Andre. 
I'll be the first to tell you. 

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My mom was, she was, she was 
funny. 

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She did some funny stuff. 
I mean, the the big one that 

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comes to mind is hanging up the 
Jeep in the dining room, right? 

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But I don't. 
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That was the I remember hearing 
about that well that I don't 

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know if you guys know this but 
that started years ago Something

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else was hung in the dining 
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It was Phineas Hagelin bought a 
boat and it only and it only 

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went in reverse. 
He thought he's going to get 

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himself a boat and it only went 
in reverse when he first got it 

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and I mean poor Finn the people 
were just killing him about this

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boat. 
So they decided I got a picture 

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of it. 
They decided to go hang it in 

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the dining hall. 
So one morning Finn came in to 

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breakfast. 
His boat was hanging in the 

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dining hall over his stand. 
Please. 

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So he bought the boat and he 
would only would he use it and 

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just go and reverse everywhere 
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Well, yeah, yeah. 
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in reverse and then, and then he
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Poor Finn. 
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the jokesters up there. 
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Lodge at that time. 
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everybody may remember Spring 
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next to Ogeche over there and 
back in Frank's Bay. 

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But he went to town for, you 
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back at midnight or whatever to 
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And somebody that has pulled his
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They lifted it out of the water.
And this was a big bomb. 

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I mean, it took probably 10-12 
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I mean, and they put it in this 
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I didn't get to sleep with his 
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ride in the morning or 
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So I mean, all that kind of 
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man. 
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there's so many. 
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good at remembering pranks. 
So we'll do our best to remember

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this stuff as we talked through 
this here today. 

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Jeff. 
Yeah. 

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I don't know if it's safe to 
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not. 
I don't. 

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Want to like some of them? 
We can't. 

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Initiate the people, you know, 
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do some crazy things. 
I don't want to certainly do 

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that, but. 
I was, I was coming home late 

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from a town night and we'll jump
off just as we talk about dining

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hall and hanging stuff in there.
I, I came up, I was heading back

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to the senior camp and I was a 
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think I was with Dave Shahan or 
Matt Brokaw. 

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And we came running up and there
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there was a bunch of kids, bunch
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dining hall. 
And they were, they were moving 

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a boat into the dining hall and 
they got it stuck in the door. 

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And I had my flashlight with me 
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going to allow this. 
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have it. 
I said, what are you guys doing?

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What the hell? 
And there's a few other choice 

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words in there. 
And I lift my flashlight and I 

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look at who's in charge and it's
Rita and my mom. 

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Oh yeah. 
I turned my flashlight off and 

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ran the other direction. 
I was like. 

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Well, Rob, that wasn't that. 
That was the Jeep that got 

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stuck. 
In the I remember it got stuck 

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in the doorway. 
Yeah, it was the IT was that 

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military Jeep that Steve 
Applegate brought up. 

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It was such a cool vehicle. 
It was like Ronald Reagan's 

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ranch or something, wasn't it? 
Yeah, it was like an old one of 

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the original military jeeps, you
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And he had it on the island and 
it was such a cool vehicle. 

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But I think the idea was that a 
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had done that. 
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it a lot. 
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fun at him, the decision was 
made to shove it into the dining

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hall. 
It was a Jeep, that's right. 

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Oh, don't be. 
Don't be proud and tell 

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everybody about it up there. 
You're you're, you're going to 

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get exposed. 
Well, and then Rob, if you 

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remember then, yeah, we all came
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was our, it was Mom. 
That was like leading the 

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charge. 
She was. 

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Yeah, she had. 
She had round everybody up to do

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it and they. 
Couldn't know that till right 

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now. 
They couldn't get it through the

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doorway, that main doorway you 
enter for, for meals. 

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And so they tried even taking 
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of the door door to, to get it 
through. 

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And that didn't work. 
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they took the tires off and they
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the, and they end up turning it 
sideways and got it in and then 

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they hung the tires up 
individually. 

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And so when we walked into the 
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pieces of the Jeep were hanging 
on climbing ropes from the 

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rafters. 
Unbelievable. 

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So, Steve Applegate, if you're 
listening, send us your voice 

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note about. 
I remember that wasn't there. 

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But I, you know, I want to 
Speaking of that, I want to 

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pivot because Jeff, I want to 
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you've been the interviewer here
for what is it 6 episodes now 

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we've we've done. 6:00 or so 
about that. 

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And it's been so much fun. 
And I want to, I want to let 

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listeners know that, you know, 
the Jamie Varley episode was, 

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was really kind of a test run, 
you know, 'cause I got to give 

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Jeff props here. 
Jeff's never done anything like 

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this before. 
And to, to to be expected to hop

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on a microphone and have an 
interview style conversation 

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with somebody for over the 
course of an hour is not easy to

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do. 
But Jeff, you were a natural and

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you've done so great at this. 
And it's been so much fun to 

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hear these. 
And when Jamie came on in his 

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first episode, he's a good 
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Rob's. 
And it was so awesome to hear 

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Jamie and you guys touched on 
something that I wanted to hear 

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more about. 
And that's the Koochman. 

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Yep. 
Well, it was a skit and from 

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what this is what I heard. 
So the only reason I know this 

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is we were I was with Tim 
Hindley walking down the path 

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and barley Jamie, who was like a
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junior or something comes flying
down the path and Tim goes, hey,

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Kucha Ching man, come here. 
What are you out saving right 

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now? 
And I looked at them. 

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I said Kucha Ching man. 
Yeah, that's the Kucha Ching 

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man. 
And then I heard about the skit 

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that they put on. 
Yeah. 

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I think Troy Balser was his 
counselor. 

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Who's Troy's a great friend of 
mine and they had a skit in the 

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lodge and he was the Coochie 
Ching man. 

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They had a dressed up in a Cape 
and a big white outfit and he 

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was flying around fixing all the
problems at Camp Cooch. 

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You know, there's a anything 
there was was leak in the boat. 

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I'll fix it. 
I'm the Coochie Ching man, you 

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know, or you know, whatever it 
was so. 

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Koochman saved the day, so I 
asked Jamie about that because I

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wanted to hear more about 
Coochman because my even when 

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Jamie comes to visit these days,
my dad still calls him Coochman.

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There's still a lot of people 
that do that. 

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So this is I reached out to him 
because I was kind of bummed I 

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didn't hear more about it. 
And I had him record a little 

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little note. 
And so let's listen together. 

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Jane talking about going a 
little deeper on Kooch, Man. 

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You guys ready? 
Here we go. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, the story of Kooching Man 

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is is great and one of my 
fondest memories of camp growing

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up. 
That was summer of 1989. 

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I was in cabin 6. 
Troy Balser was the counselor 

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for that cabin and the preps and
the juniors were in camp and I 

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think the intermediates and 
seniors were still out. 

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And so we had a skit night. 
And so we had to come up with a 

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skit to perform in front of, you
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the lodge. 
And so Troy, I think was the one

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that came up with the idea for 
it. 

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But the the premise was that 
there was Kuchiching Man, who is

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a superhero and he would fly in 
to save the day during various 

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scenarios that happen every day 
at camp. 

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And so we came up with all these
different sketches, you know, to

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kind of illustrate this 
superhero coming in and saving 

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the day. 
Troy asked me to be Ku Ching Man

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and he threw me in the pair of 
white tights, you know, the 

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onesie white tights. 
And then we had this big green 

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towel that we turned into a 
Cape. 

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And then Troy found some white 
hockey tape or something, you 

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know, just like you'd wrap 
around your hockey stick or 

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whatever. 
You found some hockey tape and 

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he he put a big, huge K on the 
back of the Cape. 

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And that was my costume. 
And so we went down there. 

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We did the skit. 
I think we won the prize for 

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best skit. 
But I can't remember the 

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sketches that we did. 
But there was one that I do 

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remember very clearly because it
got the most laughs. 

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So one of the one of the campers
in the cabin played Tim Hindley.

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And Tim is sitting there. 
He's got his, you know, foot up 

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on a bench. 
And he's, he's all bent out of 

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shape. 
He's, you know, worried about 

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the rising cost of concrete and 
he's lamenting over not buying 

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more concrete when it was 
cheaper. 

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And so naturally, it's a moment 
for Koochman to fly in and save 

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the day. 
And I'll never forget I came 

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running in and I, like, went up 
to Tim and I go here, Tim, 

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here's some coupons to save 
money on concrete. 

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And Tim was all excited that 
Koochman saved the day by giving

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him coupons. 
And the place, the entire lodge 

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just erupted. 
I imagine the point staff 

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probably got the biggest kick 
out of it. 

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But after that, I knew that 
Kuchingman, you know, would 

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probably live with me for a long
time. 

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And sure enough, you know, Tim 
Hindley, forever after that, 

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always used to call me Kuchman. 
He never called me Jamie ever 

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again. 
It was always Kuchman. 

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Well, there you have it guys, 
that that's the part I wanted to

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hear the coupon bit. 
That's it. 

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So he's still got it. 
He's still tagged with that. 

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Yeah, he is. 
Yeah. 

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And you guys have had fun. 
Yeah, and, and I want to thank 

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Jamie for doing that voice note.
And listen, I think this is 

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Jeff. 
I want to make something clear 

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to your audience here and the, 
the whole camp community. 

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If if you hear a story about 
yourself told on the show and 

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you've got a different take on 
it, feel free to record a little

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voice memo on your phone and 
send it in to From the Great 

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Central Fire at From the Great 
Central fire.com. 

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No, I don't have an e-mail 
address, but send it to me or 

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Jeff. 
We'll get it on the show and 

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we'll react to it. 
All right. 

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I think some have an obligation 
to too. 

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That's a challenge. 
Yeah. 

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So Robbie, I've been flipping 
through tough lines, just going 

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nuts. 
I mean, just, it's been awesome.

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First of all, what I've realized
is how old I am. 

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And I'm trying to piece the 
timelines back together reading 

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all these things. 
But you and Matt Brokaw seem to 

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be in the cabin a few times 
together. 

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And then I could have sworn you 
are on our backpacking trip when

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we went out to the Canadian 
Rockies. 

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You, you have that right, you 
and Matt. 

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I don't know who else was on the
trip, but I know you and Matt 

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were on it. 
We were. 

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We were with Tim Stewart. 
Dave. 

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Park was on that. 
I think Swope Clark might have 

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been on that. 
Oh wow, OK, but but no, you 

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great memory and I I similar to 
you, Jeff, like one of the 

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what's been really fun about 
this whole exercise is is the 

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research I got to do and I 
didn't go too deep. 

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I didn't want to but but just to
sort of stitched together those 

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summers and where I was in my 
life, where I was in school, how

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old I was, whose cabin I was in,
whose trip I went on. 

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So it's been that's been a a 
highlight for the last couple 

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weeks trying to. 
But you're right, it was Tim 

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Stewart. 
You we went on a backpacking 

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trip and the only time I've ever
heard of us going out to 

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Canadian Rockies. 
Yeah, I've been in that room 

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before, but not to this area. 
It was a little town called 

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Field. 
Yep. 

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And it was kind of a broken up. 
We had to, we had to go for like

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5 or 6 days and then get back 
and and and go into a different 

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trail and go in another 4-3 or 
four days on another trail. 

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Do you remember standing on top 
of the ski jump in Calgary? 

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Yeah, we, well, we went through 
Calgary, we showed you guys the 

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Olympic Village, yes. 
Yeah, yeah, I remember all that.

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I have AI have an early memory 
of that and you and Tim just had

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us in stitches like all the 
time. 

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The way you. 
Two would would go back and 

447
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,400
forth. 
Just hilarious. 

448
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,320
That was a lot of fun. 
I remember the backpacking 

449
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,880
trips, Mike. 
Did you backpack Mike? 

450
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,360
I love the backpacking trips. 
OK, you know, the, it's a total 

451
00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:02,960
different philosophy of cooking 
because you got groups of four 

452
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,280
or three or whatever and then, 
you know, the canoe trips, it's 

453
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,120
just the whole, the whole gang 
and the one pot meal thing, you 

454
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,160
know, but you got your little 
cooking stove. 

455
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,760
So it was me and Stu and it 
might have been Robbie and our 

456
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,200
cook in our group. 
I can't remember, but Steve 

457
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:23,040
forgot his bowl, so he would let
me and Robbie take we want he 

458
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,600
eat out of the pot or the bag. 
If it was cereal, you know, the 

459
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,760
that was his, that was his meal 
container and that was the end 

460
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,520
of it, you know, and wasn't. 
He he's, I remember Stu, he 

461
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,200
didn't he play basketball? 
He didn't. 

462
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,600
He played at Miami of Ohio. 
Now he's a big time official. 

463
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,680
Yes. 
Yeah, Yeah, I remember that. 

464
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:41,880
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

465
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,400
He played at Miami of Ohio as 
well, where Brendan went. 

466
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,720
Yeah. 
That was fun. 

467
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,960
That same summer, Kohl's, I I 
was on a canoe trip with your 

468
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,280
dad. 
OK, Yeah, yeah. 

469
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760
And I remember that. 
I I remember one thing I 

470
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,960
remember most about that whole 
canoe trip was your dad used to 

471
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,160
wake up in the morning and he 
would recite the the previous 

472
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,160
night's Reds game, the whole 
play by play. 

473
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,720
And he was making it all up. 
Oh, yeah. 

474
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,320
He would be like on the 2nd 
inning and the third inning in 

475
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,600
this. 
And they called in this and it 

476
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,280
was the the, the count. 
And he would like recite the 

477
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,240
whole game. 
We like, Hey, bugs, how'd the 

478
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,840
Reds do last night? 
And he would just go on and and 

479
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,640
basically give you the whole 
play by play. 

480
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,800
And there was a whole debate on 
the lake that day of whether he 

481
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,080
was full of shit or. 
Not Oh well. 

482
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,280
Well, that's part of that is 
because we, we, we would he 

483
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,040
would get questions. 
This happened in the past, like 

484
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,680
day seven of a canoe trip. 
His Bauman would turn around and

485
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,600
say, bugs, how did the Reds do 
last night? 

486
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,880
It was like, what the how the 
hell am I supposed to know? 

487
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,360
I mean, just goofy questions 
like that from kids, you know? 

488
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,320
Yeah. 
He was always he, he always had 

489
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,480
something man He it was, it was 
great. 

490
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,480
He sit there and talk stories 
and he had a he had a way of 

491
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,200
describing things. 
You know, I, I, I feel like I'm,

492
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,400
you know, kind of missing out on
the bugs and, and even you, 

493
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,000
Jeff, because, you know, I think
you, the summer I came up, I 

494
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,240
think was the first summer you 
kind of stopped going. 

495
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,360
Full time, about 90 or so. 
It was 89, was my first summer. 

496
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,760
I was still there. 
I think your brother I had in 

497
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,080
like 87 or 88 in my cabin. 
Brendan was in my cabin, 

498
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,400
actually. 
OK, Yeah. 

499
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,880
Yeah, I actually saw that on a 
tump line, but I I didn't really

500
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,840
get to know you until, you know,
we were adults. 

501
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,800
Really. 
Right. 

502
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,480
And then right. 
And your dad was always around, 

503
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,080
but I never did any trips with 
your dad and I I feel like I 

504
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,840
didn't really get to know him 
that well until I was much 

505
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,360
older. 
Well, I heard many stories. 

506
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:38,600
I mean, I knew who you were, 
obviously. 

507
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,080
I knew Robbie and I knew Brendan
and I knew Pat, but Bart would 

508
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,840
talk a lot. 
Vulmer, who's a good friend of 

509
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,200
mine, you know. 
And he said the one year I ran 

510
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,240
the interview, the senior camp, 
you and Varley were in it. 

511
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,640
Yeah. 
And he said it took the 

512
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,600
Christmas for my face to be not 
be sore because I laughed the 

513
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,240
whole summer with these two 
knuckleheads running around 

514
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,000
talking about being in this area
and when you came back and all 

515
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,480
that. 
Oh my. 

516
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,240
Gosh, yeah, we still do that on 
a on a weekly basis. 

517
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,880
Rob Bose. 
Have you heard that, Rob? 

518
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,680
Oh yeah, yeah. 
Gosh. 

519
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,200
I mean, there's so many, so many
jokes, so, so many bits that 

520
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,240
we've done over the years. 
I, I remember being a, a junior 

521
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,320
camper with Jamie and we're in 
a, in the junior counsel ring 

522
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,320
during like one of the after 
lunch meetings and he and I 

523
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,240
standing up and doing, 
performing some bit and just 

524
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,040
having the whole, just making 
the whole crowd laugh. 

525
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,240
It was so much fun. 
That, that's what it's all 

526
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,360
about, man. 
That color, that fun stuff. 

527
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,880
I'll tell you, I've seen 
pictures of you 2 too with Grant

528
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,640
Council. 
You know, you guys weren't in 

529
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,600
Grant Council to like dance #5 
the other Buffalo or something 

530
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,800
when you were counselor. 
So there's pictures of you guys 

531
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,920
playing tennis in your whole you
got the tennis rackets out, 

532
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,240
you're hitting a tennis ball 
around while the you know, the 

533
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,800
lines going into the counselor. 
You know you guys had weren't in

534
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,680
or dance 5, you know. 
So yeah, in the in the old days.

535
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,680
You Weren't you in charge of 
Indian dancing? 

536
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,280
I was 88. 
Yeah, it was because I remember 

537
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:08,800
that summer. 
You let me be an incense. 

538
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:17,520
Bearer absolutely, but Rob 93 I 
was flipping through stuff and 

539
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,280
I'm not going to I'm not going 
to read the whole thing, but I 

540
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,080
was going through the tump line.
This is good, I think, for 

541
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,280
people to hear. 
You wrote a blurp in the tump 

542
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,440
line. 
Did you read this? 

543
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,600
I mean, Rob Walsh talks about 
growing. 

544
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,480
Have you read this, Mike Nope, 
let's hear it. 

545
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,960
Well, I'm not going to read the 
whole thing, but I want to I 

546
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,760
want to read this paragraph 
that's down here. 

547
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,560
This is I mean, I read. 
I thought it was awesome. 

548
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Situations like shooting rap, 
shooting powerful Rapids, 

549
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,760
paddling into a day of wind and 
rain, or having to spend a cold 

550
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,440
night under a canoe gave me 
better insight into who I really

551
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,960
am. 
I mean, this is true about 

552
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,400
everybody and this is what it's 
about. 

553
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:01,080
I saw some things I liked about 
myself, but more importantly, I 

554
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,680
learned some things I did not 
like. 

555
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,720
And that really hit with me 
because when I went to these 

556
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,400
tough times, I found out, you 
know, I wasn't the biggest fan 

557
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,360
of things when I was a young 
kid. 

558
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:14,000
I was a went basically and it 
took me older to figure out hey 

559
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,600
this is how this is and and and 
got a whole new understanding of

560
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,200
it. 
I realized sometimes with the 

561
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,360
help of a good swift kick that I
had to put others before myself 

562
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,360
in an negative attitude will not
remedy a tough situation so. 

563
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,640
True. 
No, I I vaguely remember doing 

564
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,560
that. 
I I think it was part of a part 

565
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,240
of a high school essay that I 
think my Mama got a hold of and 

566
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,120
wound up in the tump line. 
I remember that. 

567
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,520
Yeah, your whole approach to the
negative things that happened. 

568
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,160
But the other thing that I've 
heard about, you know, in my 

569
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,600
ways and kind of hit home with 
your quote there, Rob, is that, 

570
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,360
you know, when things go wrong, 
a lot of times people think of 

571
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,680
themselves. 
And that's not the way it works 

572
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,360
up there. 
You know, when things get tough,

573
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,960
you got to worry about everybody
else. 

574
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,920
And that that really hit home. 
And I thought it was a great 

575
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,680
piece that you put out there 
and, you know, I really enjoyed 

576
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,680
reading it, so. 
No, still and and you know, a 

577
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,600
lot of that still applies today.
That's as true today as it was 

578
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,600
shoot, what's that 30 plus years
ago? 

579
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,480
And. 
It, yeah, but it helps us in our

580
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,920
professional life. 
I'm sure you got cases in your 

581
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,200
professional lives. 
I mean, I draw on my experience 

582
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
as a camp all the time. 
Oh yeah. 

583
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,680
You know, or I'll be going 
through a tough situations. 

584
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,160
Wait a minute, that Portage on 
such a stuff and I got through 

585
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,280
that. 
I can get through this, you 

586
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,280
know, or you know, whatever the 
case may be, I, I draw on camp 

587
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,520
stuff all the time. 
Oh, 100%. 

588
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,960
I, you know, I First off, I Rob,
I don't remember you writing 

589
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,040
that. 
In fact, that that was really 

590
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,480
well written. 
I if I if AI was around back 

591
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,840
then, I would guess that you 
used AI to write that, but I 

592
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,440
guess not. 
I think it's in a 93 fault hump 

593
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,920
line if you want to look at OK. 
Yeah. 

594
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,320
But but yeah, Jeff, I mean, I 
think that topic of, of what 

595
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,400
camp, you know, to talk about 
what I think a lot of people 

596
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,880
have talked about this show, 
which is so important, but what 

597
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,160
camp gives you in terms of hard 
skills and soft skills. 

598
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,240
And as you get older, and I 
think this resonates with a lot 

599
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,960
of people, you realize more and 
more what you take away from 

600
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080
that place and the, and the 
types of things that you learn 

601
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,960
and apply to your everyday life.
And it, I mean, we can talk for 

602
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,760
an hour just on that, you know, 
Rob, you mentioned your college 

603
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,720
essay. 
I think that I used camp as an 

604
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,080
experience for my college essay.
I've got a poster of the law of 

605
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,040
the woods here in my office that
I look at every day. 

606
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,600
And, and, and just just facing 
hard things, you know, learning 

607
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,360
how to, to have grit and 
resilience in so many situations

608
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,120
is just the core of what you 
take away from, from that stuff.

609
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360
You know, and, and I think a lot
of people probably identify with

610
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,520
this too. 
You know, when I first started 

611
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,960
going to camp, I did not like 
the canoe trips. 

612
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,120
And my first canoe trip was 
Quedico. 

613
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,120
It rained, it was really hard. 
We're in a three man aluminum 

614
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,200
boat. 
It was it was Jamie and I and 

615
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,280
Ted Clark was our Sternsman and 
and grew to love Ted, but he was

616
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,000
not when I was 10 or 11 or 
whatever it was, I wasn't a big 

617
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,760
fan of Ted on that trip because 
he. 

618
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,360
Was not not warm and fuzzy. 
No, he was old school and, and I

619
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,080
look back and understand it, but
it was pretty tough when you're 

620
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,880
11 years old and you're soaking 
wet and hungry and, and you're 

621
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,640
like, why am I doing this? 
You know, and then you realize, 

622
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,520
of course, after the fact, but 
that really, you know, in those 

623
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,840
early years of my junior 
intermediate years, I always was

624
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,840
excited to go backpacking 
because it was so different. 

625
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,440
I was, I love the mountains. 
I loved the, the different 

626
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,040
approach to tripping. 
And I would always do, you know,

627
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760
it's 8 weeks every summer. 
So I always do one and 111 

628
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,680
backpacking, 1 canoeing. 
And then of course, as I got 

629
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,640
older, in my senior year, I did 
a senior trip finally. 

630
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,720
And then when I was on staff, I 
was in the prep camp for one 

631
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,520
year. 
I think I was in the 

632
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,400
intermediate camp for one year 
and then I was in the senior 

633
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,040
camp on staff for the remainder 
of my handful of years. 

634
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,000
And I was taking out those, 
those big trips. 

635
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,560
And it really wasn't until those
years when I really fell in love

636
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240
with canoe camping, you know, So
it took me a took me a while 

637
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,600
That's. 
What happened to me too, Mike, 

638
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Same thing. 
Yeah, yeah. 

639
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,280
No, it's been I, I think you 
guys both touched on it. 

640
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,080
I, I, I, I think both my 
relationship to camp and my sort

641
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,440
of understanding and 
appreciation of it and how it's 

642
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,960
evolved from a camper to a 
counselor to a trip head. 

643
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,960
And then when you roll into it, 
you know, and then you get into 

644
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,320
your professional life, you 
start to appreciate it more and 

645
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,240
more and more on a deeper level.
And now that I've got kids going

646
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,120
to Okeechee and Cooch, it's a 
whole nother dimension that has 

647
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,040
just been really cool. 
And you know, I I I I think it 

648
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,360
was there was moments when I 
started getting to college, I 

649
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,920
was out on my own. 
And then when I started getting 

650
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,280
into like early days of, of my 
professional career, you, you 

651
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,560
start to think about camp and 
all those things you learned and

652
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,760
some of those practices and some
of those habits that you've 

653
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,680
developed and, and you're like, 
wow, this is like a superpower 

654
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,160
that I. 
Have. 

655
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,480
And I feel like just just that 
resilience and that attitude and

656
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,360
that like, hey, I can do hard 
things. 

657
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,160
Yeah. 
And it's just it it that that 

658
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,760
appreciation and gratitude just 
gets deeper and deeper and 

659
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,360
deeper as we get older, which 
has been really cool. 

660
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,200
Yeah, Well, I mean, and I want 
to give this some fun stories 

661
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,040
here in a second, but yeah, you 
know, I everybody listen to 

662
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320
this. 
What I and everybody I talked to

663
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,080
and in this role now re engaging
with so many alumni from the 

664
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,400
past and people I knew from the 
past. 

665
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,600
It's been this has been like a 
dream come true for me going 

666
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,880
through all these temp lines. 
But I encourage everybody to 

667
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,920
come back and visit camp at the 
end of the summer and just just 

668
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,360
to be on Rainy Lake again, if 
you can do it. 

669
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:52,480
There is nothing that is more 
exhilarating and just warms your

670
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,520
heart more than to walk into 
Thunderbird or the Muni or 

671
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,840
whatever it is and look up and 
see, Oh my God, look who it is. 

672
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,560
Yeah. 
And to sit down with that 

673
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,320
person, you haven't seen him 
forever, and start telling 

674
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
stories. 
And the stories don't end and it

675
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,160
it's just the most amazing 
feeling. 

676
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,640
So I just hopefully we can get 
people coming up telling the 

677
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,440
stories. 
It's so much fun to see the old 

678
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,280
people from our past and and the
experiences that we shared up 

679
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,560
there. 
It's such a good time so. 

680
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160
And I, you know, I wanted to ask
you, I started to talk about it 

681
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,120
a second ago, but the, you know,
you hosting this podcast, it's 

682
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,440
only been a handful of people, 
but what are some highlights for

683
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,160
you so far doing this show And, 
and what have you kind of 

684
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,240
discovered in these 
conversations you've had with 

685
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,200
like Kathy Dicks, George 
Simmons, Had there been any 

686
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680
highlights for you? 
Well, I mean, I just learned, 

687
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,840
you know, you learn a little bit
about them, about how they found

688
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,800
out about it. 
And then the names that come up 

689
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,440
that I know that you know, like 
Artie Hewer for an example, you 

690
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,280
know, you know, just being there
so long as if so far, you know, 

691
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,320
a long time as a kid, but just 
to hear their perspective on 

692
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,960
things too. 
And how, you know, with camping 

693
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,160
situation, you know how the 
girls camp all got off the 

694
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,120
ground. 
And actually, if you go back and

695
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,880
read the some of the top lines, 
they actually were trying to 

696
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,520
move the girls camp in 9293. 
They thought it was going to 

697
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,560
start then they had you can read
it in the top line. 

698
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,920
They thought it was ready to go 
then, but something fell 

699
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,080
through. 
I don't know what happened and 

700
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,000
it didn't it didn't work out. 
But for me to reconnect all the 

701
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,360
dots with people and you know, 
I'll be talking to somebody and 

702
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,000
they'll do something and it'll 
completely trigger a memory in 

703
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,560
my mind that I remember. 
I'll give you an example. 

704
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,480
You know, I was talking to 
somebody and Jesse Blair on his 

705
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,239
podcast, he said every time, and
this is so true with me too. 

706
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,440
Every time I hear that white 
throated Sparrow sing up on the 

707
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,000
island, it just it just makes me
know that I'm there. 

708
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,120
And I right away I said, hey, 
Jesse, you used to do the sound 

709
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,760
of a loon as well. 
And I said, dude. 

710
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,960
And he started doing it right 
there on the podcast. 

711
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,400
I mean. 
So yeah. 

712
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,640
I mean, it's just things like 
that fire into my head and then 

713
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,640
all these memories come flying 
back that I love. 

714
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,480
And I mean, I've forgotten so 
many of them. 

715
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,280
Well, and Jesse's laugh, I mean,
I, I had, you had talked up 

716
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,920
Jesse. 
I didn't know I'd never met him.

717
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,800
And when we recorded his 
episode, his laugh alone was 

718
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,000
like infectious. 
You know, hearing his laugh. 

719
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,360
And what a what a dynamic guy. 
That was so fun to hear. 

720
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,360
But but to talk to, for me to 
talk to all the people from the 

721
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,040
different eras has been so much 
fun. 

722
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,440
And to talk to people, not only 
in camp, but it'll get you, you 

723
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,000
know, and we'll get other people
on here as well, you know, 

724
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,960
whether it be with all the Kanzi
or whatever, you know, just to 

725
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,400
tell the whole story with the, 
with the Camping and Education 

726
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,600
Foundation. 
I want to pause for a second 

727
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,800
too, and just reiterate to the 
audience here, Jeff, you know, 

728
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,480
if there's anybody out there 
listening that feels compelled 

729
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,240
to come on the show and tell 
their story and talk about their

730
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,680
experience at camp, let us know.
We're, you know, it's an open 

731
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,800
invite for the camp community to
come on the show. 

732
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,920
This is what this is all about. 
Absolutely. 

733
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,400
And we want to keep telling the 
story on this podcast. 

734
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,280
That's the whole purpose of it. 
And get people to send in their,

735
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,160
you know, stories, but also 
react to stories you know. 

736
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,600
Well, yeah, I mean, flipping 
through these, these tough lines

737
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,400
have been great. 
What I what I didn't realize, 

738
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,800
you know, I was flipping through
and I I saw that, you know, like

739
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Steve Hindley was your 
counselor. 

740
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,440
Mike and Robbie, you were in 
cabin 12 with Bro call. 

741
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,480
And Jay Scribner, who was a 
close friend of mine, was your 

742
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,720
counselor in cabin 12. 
He was hilarious. 

743
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,680
That's right. 
Jay would come. 

744
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:25,800
He was the only counselor I 
knew. 

745
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,120
You know, when the counselors, 
you put the names on the bunks 

746
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,720
before the kids get there, you 
know, you, you walk in with all 

747
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,560
your stuff you don't know and 
you can see your name on the 

748
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
bunk and that's where you go. 
Jay was the counselor. 

749
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,800
He put his name on. 
He went on the top bunk. 

750
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,040
You know, usually most 
counselors got all their stuff 

751
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,760
laid out in this big, huge Taj 
Mahal corner of the cabin. 

752
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,200
And here's Jay. 
He's got his name up on the top 

753
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,280
bunk. 
He's stayed on the top bunk. 

754
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,800
He was so funny. 
I was looking at the the tump 

755
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,800
lines today earlier and his name
was listed on one of the cabin 

756
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,120
photos as I think it was Jay. 
Perfect. 

757
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,080
Yeah. 
Grivner, is that what it's like?

758
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,000
Yeah, that was Tim Heinle 
probably naming him. 

759
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Yeah. 
Well, and then of course, Tim 

760
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,400
puts him with Tony Ridgeway. 
I I don't know if you can get 

761
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,600
two different. 
Yeah, yeah, that's great. 

762
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,720
Where is Tony Ridgeway? 
That's a name from the. 

763
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,680
Past didn't Tony Ridgeway. 
He went to high school with Axel

764
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,720
Rose. 
Yeah, he used to tell a story. 

765
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,520
He and from Indianapolis, right,
wasn't. 

766
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,800
He, yeah, he was Indianapolis. 
And I remember he, he would 

767
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,760
refer to him as Bill because 
Axel Rose's real name is Billy 

768
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,320
Bailey. 
Oh my gosh, yeah. 

769
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,960
But he, he was my counselor two 
years in a row and he, he was 

770
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,840
great. 
He was so funny. 

771
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,240
Yeah, he was such a. 
Cool dude. 

772
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,920
Rob, didn't you have a story 
about intermediate camp with 

773
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,080
Butts one year? 
Yeah, but and before you say 

774
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,760
this, Robbie, this is what's to 
be great about the the tump 

775
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,200
line. 
I didn't realize Butts was 

776
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,200
younger than you guys. 
Yeah. 

777
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,520
So I mean, me tying all these 
names in and people I knew and 

778
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,120
who's where and what has been 
fun. 

779
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,760
But Rob, Oh, Butts. 
I mean, let's start in on Butts 

780
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,120
here. 
Yeah. 

781
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Go ahead, Robbie. 
Yeah, let's let's go. 

782
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,800
Right. 
So I, I had, I was a early on as

783
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,440
a counselor. 
I think I was my second year as 

784
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,640
counselor. 
I was an intermediate and for 

785
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,040
whatever reason, I didn't have 
AI, didn't have a CIT or a 

786
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,640
second staff person in the 
cabin. 

787
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:16,040
And, and Butts was, Butts was my
only 8 weaker and I think it was

788
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,600
his second summer. 
And, and so at the changeover, 

789
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,200
right, you know, the, the 1st 4 
weekers leave and then the, 

790
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,480
you're waiting for the 2nd 4 
weekers to come. 

791
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,320
And there's always a day there 
where there's a gap. 

792
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,320
Well, for some reason, I guess 
I, I was gone. 

793
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,560
I don't know where I was. 
I I think I could have been 

794
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,960
doing a garbage run or maybe 
down in Minneapolis to go meet 

795
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,880
some flights. 
Hanging a Jeep from the rafters 

796
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,560
maybe? 
Sure. 

797
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,200
Could have been that, who knows?
And I, I had woken up that 

798
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,160
morning and said, hey bots, will
you get down to the main dock 

799
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,240
and go help with those? 
Go help with those trunks, you 

800
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,400
know, and so I'm and then I'm 
nowhere to be found. 

801
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,640
And the way I understand it is 
he he ends up going down there 

802
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,800
and throws on a polo shirt and 
sees this stack of name badges 

803
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,440
and Sharpie markers and ends up 
writing his name on there. 

804
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,120
Slaps it on, walks up to the 
camp, throws away the job wheel,

805
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,880
moves his bunk right as you walk
into the right where a counselor

806
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,680
would be sitting and doesn't 
correct anybody, but just plays 

807
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,920
CIT and this goes on this. 
And then he starts sitting at 

808
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,320
the head of the table in the 
mornings. 

809
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,600
And I'm sort of like, OK, I'm 
not sure what's going on here 

810
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,480
When I kept my mouth shut. 
But. 

811
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,120
And I guess this goes on for 
days and, and the way I 

812
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,280
understand it is at one point a 
bunch of the kids are the other 

813
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,280
campers came up to him and it's 
like, hey, we'd like to go 

814
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,320
swimming. 
Can you go watch us swim? 

815
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Yeah, as everybody knows, you 
have to have a counselor. 

816
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,560
With you, you have to have a 
counselor and that's that's when

817
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,360
he's like, hang on. 
And then, you know, he goes and 

818
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600
finds me. 
He's like, hey man, the gig is 

819
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,040
out. 
There. 

820
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,240
Oh my gosh, that. 
That story makes me smile. 

821
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,800
But if you're listening, you got
to send in a voice note and give

822
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,480
us your take on that. 
And your birth, was it? 

823
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,200
Was it 3 days that he basically 
played it off that he would? 

824
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,920
He must have been 3 or 4 and, 
and you know, and I to this day,

825
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,160
I, I, from the minute I met him,
G Harrison Butler, the 4th, I 

826
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,240
think that's his full name, 
isn't. 

827
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,840
It Yeah, I. 
Remember reading that on the 

828
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,480
rock but. 
Where do you get butts from? 

829
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,760
What's that? 
Where did he was in my dad's 

830
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,600
canoe. 
I know. 

831
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,080
Arkansas. 
Yeah, he grew up in Arkansas. 

832
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,680
But I wonder where he got the 
name Butts from. 

833
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,080
I'm guessing it's just a. 
Shortened version of Butler. 

834
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,240
That's all. 
Yeah, I didn't know who named 

835
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,160
him. 
I didn't know who named him 

836
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,240
Butts though. 
Yeah, Harry Butts. 

837
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,280
So it's been great to reconnect 
with him and see him come back 

838
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,440
on the island and, you know, 
still be a part of camp in such 

839
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,560
a such a meaningful. 
Way. 

840
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,560
I never tripped with butts. 
But you know, we saw him when we

841
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,240
were my wife and I were out in 
San Francisco. 

842
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,480
He'd come down from the city. 
We were just South of the city, 

843
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,440
and we had a great time with 
him. 

844
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560
He was awesome. 
He's a storyteller. 

845
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,080
So yeah, Butts definitely send 
us. 

846
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,400
Send us your take on the story 
Rob just told. 

847
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,560
Well, I'll give you another one 
you can ride on about bus 

848
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
because I may mess this up, but 
but I'm not even sure if I 

849
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,720
should tell the story on the 
podcast. 

850
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,040
But we'll give it a shot. 
I'll try to keep it as PG as I 

851
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,440
can but go for it. 
Butts was on a senior trip. 

852
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,160
This is now this is second hand.
I'm getting this from from my 

853
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,640
friend Bart. 
Bart claimed it was the worst 

854
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:16,240
poo of all time is how he coined
this story and it involved Butts

855
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,880
and I guess nature was calling 
and he was in the middle of a 

856
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,200
lake or river in a canoe. 
So he's screaming at his Bowman 

857
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,200
to paddle to get to the shore 
because he's got to go. 

858
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,720
So it's buggy there on the 
senior trip. 

859
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,040
It's a nasty day. 
The bugs are everywhere, black 

860
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,080
flies, you name it. 
And he jumps out of this canoe 

861
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,360
on some terrible marshy pot of, 
you know, spot somewhere and, 

862
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,720
you know, pulls his pants down 
to go and he's hanging on to a, 

863
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,880
a sapling of some sort, leaning 
back. 

864
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,240
And I mean, it was awful. 
I mean, something hit him hard 

865
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,560
and it it was just not a good 
scene behind him. 

866
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,920
Well, doesn't this sapling pull 
out of the ground and now butts 

867
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,920
falls back into the into the 
what he just did into the pile. 

868
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,560
And now he's got this. 
Now he's got flies all over him.

869
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,680
His pants are down. 
I think he had to jump in the 

870
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,680
water. 
I'm not sure what he did. 

871
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,240
He had to get back in the boat 
and get out of there. 

872
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:14,240
But. 
Shining moment for yeah. 

873
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:15,920
Yeah, well then, now, now he's 
got to come. 

874
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,520
He's now he's got to come. 
We got to hear his version of 

875
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,120
this, but we got to hear more 
about this. 

876
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,160
But I I heard it as the worst 
poo of all time described it, 

877
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,000
you know. 
So anyway. 

878
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,600
That is too funny. 
Yeah. 

879
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,080
I think it was Jesse that 
mentioned this, but this idea 

880
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,040
that you got to go, you get to 
go to camp and it's your 

881
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,840
favorite place on Earth. 
And then when you become a staff

882
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,280
person, you get to go to camp, 
but you get paid for it, you 

883
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,000
know, and that's, that's really 
so true that it's like a pinch 

884
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,560
me moment that you're, you're 
having just as much fun as you 

885
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,840
ever did and you're you're 
walking home with a paycheck. 

886
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,000
Some people didn't walk home 
much, but it was so special. 

887
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,360
And, and my first year in the 
prep camp, I was in cabin 8A 

888
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,400
with Ken Metcalf. 
I think I had Chris Adams as a 

889
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,280
Citi think Pat Johnson, I think 
was spent half the summer in 

890
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,360
there with me. 
But we had a bunch of great kids

891
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600
and I would tell ghost stories 
at night. 

892
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,520
And this just comes to mind 
because it was, it went off 

893
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,120
exactly as I hoped, but it was 
pretty rough for the kids. 

894
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,560
So I had this ghost story that 
was about this idea that there's

895
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,800
a kid in their bed and they hear
scratching in the walls. 

896
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,480
And the way that I forget how 
the story goes, but it's this 

897
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,680
slow build up and this creepy 
build up. 

898
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,960
And then the scratching gets, 
you know, louder and louder and 

899
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,400
more intense. 
And it ended up being in the 

900
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,240
ghost story. 
It was like this murderer that 

901
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,840
was under the bed, you know, 
that ended up whatever. 

902
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,720
I forget how the story ended, 
but the whole point of it was 

903
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:39,720
that there was this ongoing 
scratching happening. 

904
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:41,840
Well, I wanted to tell the 
story. 

905
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,720
And so there was this one kid 
that was I knew would be game. 

906
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,760
I had one of the other campers 
hide under his bunk. 

907
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,640
It was those wooden bunks and 
cabin 8A with a little pocket 

908
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,920
knife. 
And as I'm telling the story and

909
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,280
the kids are all, you know, 
they're preps. 

910
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,320
So they're they're they, they 
listen, they go to bed when it's

911
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,880
time to go to bed, they lay in 
their beds, turned out the 

912
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,520
lights. 
And I'm reading this ghost story

913
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,600
and I rehearsed it with the kid 
and he starts scratching his 

914
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,400
knife under this kids bunk as 
the scratching parts are 

915
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,920
happening. 
And I'll tell you what, I've 

916
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:19,720
never seen a kid so terrified. 
In his oh if I ruined him, I 

917
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,920
wonder if he came back. 
I think he did. 

918
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,200
He did, yeah, we didn't. 
Ruin the kid. 

919
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,120
I've actually got a, got a Tim 
Hindley story that I'll add you.

920
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,040
You talk about being on staff 
and, and getting paid to go up 

921
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,760
there. 
I was a senior in high school 

922
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,800
and I'd, I'd had a few summers 
at camp and, and I, you know, 

923
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,840
this is when I, it gets a little
harder and harder to go back and

924
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,600
start getting pulled in some 
other directions. 

925
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,440
And there's some, you know, 
girlfriends involved in sports 

926
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,160
and things like that. 
We all know this story. 

927
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,480
I came home from school one 
afternoon. 

928
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,760
I, I kind of put it out there to
my mom that I wasn't going to go

929
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,560
back to camp. 
I was AI was a senior in high 

930
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,000
school getting ready to be my 
freshman in college. 

931
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,280
And it was, it was winter time 
And I, I remember I came home 

932
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,200
from, from school and, and I, I 
walk in the front door to see 

933
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,840
Tim Henley sitting at the 
kitchen table with, with my 

934
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,440
parents and I, and I was like a 
little shocked, like, wait, 

935
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,880
what, what's going on? 
What are you doing here? 

936
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,000
And he and he and he looks at me
and he goes, Hey, I hear you're,

937
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,120
you're not thinking about coming
back to camp this summer. 

938
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,640
And then you know you guys can 
picture it in true Tim form, 

939
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,920
right? 
That's stern. 

940
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,800
Look, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

941
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,240
And then this is a serious 
conversation. 

942
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,240
So I dropped my school bag and I
was like, yeah, yeah. 

943
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:25,080
I think I'm going to, I'm going 
to, I'm going to, I'm going to 

944
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,680
pass this year. 
I'm going to, you know, take a, 

945
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,120
take a summer off. 
He's like, OK, what's this? 

946
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Why? 
And I was like, well, you know, 

947
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,920
there's like there's a 
girlfriend involved and there's 

948
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,720
a, you know, and then there's I 
want to make some money. 

949
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:36,560
I'm getting ready to be, you 
know, I'm getting ready to go to

950
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,760
college. 
I want to put some money in my 

951
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,520
pocket. 
And he's like, OK, you want to 

952
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,520
make some money? 
Is that what it is? 

953
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,160
And I was like, OK, how much you
want to make? 

954
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,240
And of course I didn't have an 
answer. 

955
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:45,640
I, I didn't know a number, 
right. 

956
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,800
And he's like, and so I just, 
the first number that came to my

957
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,160
head was $3000. 
And I was like, I, I want to 

958
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,600
make $3000. 
He's like. 

959
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,320
Which at the time, Rob was 
probably what like it was 

960
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,760
definitely more than we were 
being paid a normal rate for. 

961
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,880
Yeah, I don't know what the rate
was, Jeff. 

962
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,040
I don't know if you remember 
what the. 

963
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,760
Probably 2 grand or something 
like that. 

964
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,840
Counselors. 
Yeah. 

965
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,400
When I was there, the most I 
think I ever made was like 1500 

966
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,400
or something. 
Yeah, somewhere in that 1500 to 

967
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:12,640
whatever. 
And I was like, OK, I want 

968
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,040
$3000. 
And I thought he was going to, 

969
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:15,920
you know, I thought that would 
be it. 

970
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,160
And he's like, OK, I think we 
can do that. 

971
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,640
And so then the conversation 
ended and I was like, shit, I 

972
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:27,160
guess I'm going to camp. 
Then obviously something 

973
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,880
happened. 
I had to deliver the news to my 

974
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,720
to my then high school 
girlfriend, and I think that was

975
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,880
that was that was quickly 
escorted out the door of her 

976
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,160
house. 
And then right before I 

977
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,000
graduate, right before I was 
getting ready to graduate high 

978
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,760
school, I get a train ticket in 
the mail and it's dated for the 

979
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,280
day after my high school 
graduation. 

980
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,320
And I looked at this was like, 
this can't be right. 

981
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Like this is literally like the 
morning after I graduate high 

982
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,800
school and I get on the phone. 
From Saint Louis, yeah. 

983
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,800
I'm from Saint Louis and I 
called Tim. 

984
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,040
I was like, Tim, this train 
ticket that you got me was the 

985
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,280
day after I graduated high 
school. 

986
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,680
And he's like, yeah, you got 
that right. 

987
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,560
And I was like, well, this isn't
going to work. 

988
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,280
He's like, well, you're going to
earn that 3000. 

989
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,200
Dollars from now? 
So I end up graduating high 

990
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,720
school and I'm on a train to to 
Duluth. 

991
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,920
Classic Tim Hindley, Yeah. 
And I step off the train and lo 

992
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,320
and behold, there's Tim Hindley 
standing there with a truck. 

993
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,920
He's got his Takis on. 
And standing next to him was 

994
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,480
remember Mark Mullen? 
Oh, yeah, yeah. 

995
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,880
Fresh off the Dead tour. 
And I just thought to myself, 

996
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,680
what am I doing? 
And there was still like, I 

997
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,200
think there was snow on the 
ground. 

998
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,080
And this was, it would have been
May at some point. 

999
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,520
And I'm and I'm I've never. 
And I got to the island and 

1000
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:44,680
yeah, Austin Gonzemueller was up
there. 

1001
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,920
That ended up being my best 
summer. 

1002
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,640
Well, that's it's so classic Tim
that he, you know, it was the 

1003
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,440
classic, you know, he met you 
where you needed to be. 

1004
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,600
But Rob, obviously you thought 
you kind of won that negotiation

1005
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,240
but didn't. 
Realize what was coming. 

1006
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,840
I I did some quick math and I 
think it's about $200 a week. 

1007
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,200
I think it's what the. 
Hey, my first year staff was in 

1008
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,480
1986. 
We made $600.00. 

1009
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,680
Wow. 
And we didn't care. 

1010
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,680
Yeah. 
You know, one of the best 

1011
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,000
stories I've got is Steve Shook 
after camp one year. 

1012
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,280
Do you guys know Steve Shook? 
Yeah, I know, Steve. 

1013
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,400
Oh yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, a bunch of us were at the 

1014
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,880
camp was over, the kids were 
gone. 

1015
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,480
We went down to Shay Shay's and 
we were, you know, we, you know,

1016
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,080
everybody was leaving the next 
day or the next couple days. 

1017
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:33,640
So there was maybe 15 staff guys
down there, you know, Steve UPS 

1018
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,240
and Steve Shook, Pete Peffer, 
you name all these guys, you 

1019
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:41,520
know, Troy Balser and. 
And Shookers got this money and 

1020
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,280
he's buying everybody drinks. 
I said, sugar, what are you 

1021
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,560
doing? 
He said, this is my son. 

1022
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,640
This is my paycheck from this. 
I'm like, what? 

1023
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,560
What? 
What are you doing? 

1024
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,440
You're spending your home. 
He said you didn't come here to 

1025
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,360
work for the money, did you? 
Yeah. 

1026
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,640
And I said, no, you're right. 
Never. 

1027
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,920
I mean, that really hit home 
with me. 

1028
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,640
I mean, this is a guy that just 
loved being there and you know, 

1029
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,280
just love being around the guys.
And the money was the least of 

1030
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,000
his worries. 
You know, there was wasn't there

1031
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,880
always there. 
We didn't come to make money. 

1032
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,600
If you want to make money to 
your point, you need to stay 

1033
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,960
home you. 
Know and that's what I like I 

1034
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,080
was saying before you don't do 
it for the money, but it's just 

1035
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,680
nice to have some, some money in
your pocket when you get to go, 

1036
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,280
you know, go home for your next 
school year. 

1037
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,000
Oh, it certainly helps, 
Absolutely. 

1038
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,040
I know we'd go see, we'd go see 
Mimi on our way out of to town, 

1039
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,000
right? 
And we'd go down there and she'd

1040
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,240
have a little envelope of cash. 
Petty care. 

1041
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,280
Yeah, you could draw off your 
paycheck. 

1042
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,640
Yeah. 
And that was always, there was 

1043
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,200
always, that was that story. 
I don't. 

1044
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,320
I don't remember if there was 
somebody specific, but there's 

1045
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,720
always the story of the one 
counselor that drew so much that

1046
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,720
at the end of the summer when 
you go to pick up your paycheck,

1047
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,760
that you actually owe camp. 
Oh yeah, that's happened. 

1048
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Oh yeah, that's happened a few 
times. 

1049
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,440
Oh, I love it. 
Where's my paycheck? 

1050
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,520
Well, actually, you owe us 20. 
Are you serious? 

1051
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,640
Yeah. 
So I was looking through the, 

1052
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,960
the tump line as well. 
And one that jumped out at me 

1053
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,040
because I, you know, when I was 
in the senior camp, I was in 

1054
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,800
cabin 20 most of those years. 
And it, that was my favorite 

1055
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,320
cabin, which now, you know, back
in those days it went 21, which 

1056
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,960
was more in, set in inland. 
And then it was 19 or 18/19/20 

1057
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,400
and 20 was in the end. 
Now it's set up numerically 

1058
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,800
correct where it's 18/19/2021 at
the end, but 20 was at the end. 

1059
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,720
And I won the token card race 2 
years in a row in the senior 

1060
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:27,200
camp. 
Because as most people know the 

1061
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,640
odds, you know if you if the 
senior cabin shows up for all 

1062
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,600
the events, your odds of winning
the token card race, the way it 

1063
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,640
was structured back then at 
least we're pretty good to win 

1064
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,560
the token card race because 
there's so many less 

1065
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,440
opportunities for seniors to get
token cards. 

1066
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,880
So all you had to do was for 
half the time was just show up. 

1067
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,840
And get Yeah. 
And there's so few cabins. 

1068
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,320
Too. 
And I kind of knew that. 

1069
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,440
And so I, I remember dedicating 
that's those two summers to, you

1070
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,480
know, wrangling my guys out of 
bed or whatever to show up to 

1071
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,800
the fishing Derby and the Roleo 
and the what the swim meet, you 

1072
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,600
know, the things that normally 
maybe people would just bail on.

1073
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:06,560
And I looked at the tump line. 
It was the summer of 99 and the 

1074
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,160
guys in my cabin were Andy 
Barker, Steven Dicks, Pat Ecker,

1075
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:14,360
Jay Carrick, Kenny Roberts, Ben 
Roberts, two brothers in one 

1076
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,040
cabin, which was unique, Adam 
Vollmer and Sam Wyman. 

1077
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,680
And the first thing that jumped 
out of me when I read that was 

1078
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,000
how on earth did I get such a 
stacked cabin? 

1079
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,080
Number one? 
Also, no surprise, but the way 

1080
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,480
the tump line reads, and I'm 
going to read this because it 

1081
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,080
was really funny. 
The token card race was much 

1082
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,200
closer in the second four weeks,
but in the end Senior Cabin 20 

1083
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,040
took more than 50% of the token 
cards awarded to the senior unit

1084
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,120
in 1999. 
Mike Walsh All caps Remember 

1085
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,360
they used to put the names in 
all caps. 

1086
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,520
Mike Walsh LED a senior cabin to
victory for the second summer in

1087
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,680
a row, proving that good 
coaching does make a difference 

1088
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,200
no matter how quote stacked the 
cabin may seem to be. 

1089
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,080
Members of the winning cabin and
then list the names of the guys.

1090
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,880
I miss the the subtle jabs in 
the tump line too, you know. 

1091
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,400
Oh, they're all over. 
Go way back. 

1092
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,160
There's Jab City going on. 
Oh it's hilarious. 

1093
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,680
I forgot. 
Hilarious angle of it, but yeah,

1094
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,680
I remember those two years in a 
row when the token card race and

1095
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,800
kind of being real smug about it
too, you know? 

1096
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,120
So much fun. 
Yeah, Tim's Tim always had 

1097
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,080
nicknames in there for people 
too, you know? 

1098
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:21,040
So he was writing that. 
I mean, he was, he would write. 

1099
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,720
And because the way the Tump 
line read, it was like a journal

1100
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,480
of the summer, you know? 
And the director would write 

1101
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:26,920
that. 
Yep. 

1102
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,760
Yeah. 
And it was, it was always 

1103
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,960
really, I was always impressed 
that he managed to get 

1104
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,040
everybody, almost everybody that
was there were was mentioned in 

1105
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,520
the tump line, you know, and I 
think that spoke to. 

1106
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,200
And then, you know, when you of 
course you read it, you want to 

1107
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,080
see if your pictures in there 
and you want to see if you're 

1108
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,600
mentioned. 
And it was always so cool to see

1109
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,000
your name in all caps. 
Oh yeah. 

1110
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,360
You know. 
Yeah. 

1111
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,040
Wonder if we should get back to 
that. 

1112
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,440
That'd be a cool thing to do, 
yeah. 

1113
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,160
Well, I. 
Got a couple questions for you 

1114
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,920
guys and you want to. 
Yeah. 

1115
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,360
Yeah, we're ready. 
Interesting to see what you 

1116
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,840
guys. 
Hit us with it. 

1117
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,880
So Robbie and then Mike, you can
follow up the toughest trip. 

1118
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,960
What's the toughest trip you 
ever went on at camp? 

1119
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,640
My my senior year we did the 
Seal River and that was a that 

1120
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,840
was a tough one. 
Most of the trip leading up to 

1121
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,040
it was was fine, but those last 
few days we end up getting 

1122
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:32,120
windbound or on on Hudson Bay 
for two or three days. 

1123
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,880
Mike, you know, per year earlier
chat, Mike maybe someone's got a

1124
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,120
different story, but I, I think 
we were windbound at the goose 

1125
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:43,120
camp for three days and and it 
was cold and it was wet and that

1126
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,240
that was a. 
Weren't you guys? 

1127
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,000
Weren't you guys fighting off 
polar bears too? 

1128
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,600
Yeah, I was going to leave that 
out, but we'll, we'll go there. 

1129
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,680
We've mentioned polar bears in 
the show before. 

1130
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,000
Yeah, no, there was no shortage 
of them. 

1131
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,600
And I'm not making this up. 
I think there was at least 20-30

1132
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,760
and some of those were a little 
too close for comfort. 

1133
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,040
And so, yeah, we were there on 
the, we were there on the shores

1134
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,760
of of Hudson Bay and, and they 
had stopped paddling the Bay I 

1135
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,680
think the year, the summer 
before they had decided that 

1136
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,680
we're, we're going to do that no
more. 

1137
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,520
And there's a whole other story 
there that I'd love, you know, 

1138
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,320
Galley or Austin Gods me or the 
way and I think they were on 

1139
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,520
that trip. 
But yeah, we were the first one.

1140
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,120
Jack Batstone were waiting for 
him to show up and come and get 

1141
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,720
us. 
This was before satellite phones

1142
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,680
and a lot of that, but, but it 
ended up one day turned into 3 

1143
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,720
or 4 days and and, you know, 
running out of food the whole 

1144
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:33,600
bit. 
But once we got to Churchill, it

1145
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,400
was certainly a celebration. 
That was probably one of the 

1146
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:36,920
harder ones. 
I. 

1147
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,560
A ton of a two party answer, 
Jeff, to your question. 

1148
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,040
The first one I'll say is there 
was a, there was actually a 

1149
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,600
backpacking trip that I went on 
with Chris Oaks when I was in 

1150
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,640
the intermediate. 
I was in the intermediate camp 

1151
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,320
staff and Chris and I, Chris was
the trip head. 

1152
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,040
I was his junior staff and we 
went backpacking to Hell's 

1153
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,040
Canyon, Oregon. 
And if you don't, if you're not 

1154
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,840
familiar with Hell's Canyon, 
it's on the eastern border of 

1155
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,480
Oregon. 
Elevation wise, it's actually 

1156
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,440
deeper than the Grand Canyon. 
And it's just kind of a big deep

1157
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,200
V right that you And many of the
days on our trip, it was a 14 

1158
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,080
day backpacking trip. 
And just physically, it was one 

1159
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,800
of the toughest trips I've ever 
been on because it was so much 

1160
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,240
up and down elevation changes on
these days and it was so hot and

1161
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,120
dry. 
I don't think we anticipated 

1162
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,480
that being a factor. 
And cactus, I remember getting 

1163
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,920
caught in a windstorm one night 
and we had to hop up out of our 

1164
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,160
tents and shift our tents so the
wind wouldn't blow them down. 

1165
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,080
And I stepped flat footed onto a
cactus and I spent two hours 

1166
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,000
that night with a tweezers 
pulling, you know, cactus, 

1167
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,320
whatever prickly things out of 
my feet, out of the bottom of my

1168
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,840
feet. 
That was fun. 

1169
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:50,160
But the canoe trip I'm thinking 
of that was the toughest one was

1170
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,600
1 Summer OSCON. 
It was it was my senior trip. 

1171
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,080
It was my and I, I did my senior
trip my second year as my CIT 

1172
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,200
year. 
And Oscon was known for packing 

1173
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:10,960
light when it comes to food. 
And he already packs real light,

1174
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,920
which was kind of a thing, you 
know, a characteristic of him. 

1175
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,720
And somehow in the process of 
getting our gear from camp to 

1176
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:22,080
the bus, bus to the, you know, 
put in point, we lost in Duluth 

1177
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,080
sack, a meat sack because we 
used to call him that was full 

1178
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,720
of food. 
So we actually got a day into 

1179
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,520
the trip when we realized that 
we were down about £80 worth of 

1180
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,920
food for this 18 day canoe trip.
So it was a pure accident. 

1181
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:41,400
But that one became the toughest
because it was, of course, it 

1182
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,280
was the knife. 
Yeah, it was a knife river. 

1183
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,880
And I've never been more 
starving for so long in my life.

1184
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,880
I mean, it was true hunger and 
you're hungry already on these 

1185
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,560
trips even when you bring ample 
amounts of food because you are 

1186
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:02,000
just working all day every day. 
We were so hungry and it was, it

1187
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,640
was really tough. 
There was a couple nights where 

1188
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,280
our one meal was just the bag of
mixed veggies and that was our 

1189
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,840
dinner for the whole night 
because we had to ration out all

1190
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,240
of our food. 
And we were of course fishing 

1191
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,040
and trying to catch every, we 
were trying to catch every wild 

1192
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,520
bird that we saw. 
I mean every everything that 

1193
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,120
moved, we were trying to capture
it. 

1194
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,080
Right. 
I, I remember seeing you when 

1195
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,640
you guys got back from that 
trip, Mike, I was just reminded.

1196
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,440
Oh, we were like. 
Amazing. 

1197
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,600
And I was like, how is the trip?
And I remember you pulled your 

1198
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,480
shirt up and you could see all 
your ribs. 

1199
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,160
Yeah. 
Oh, it was. 

1200
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,360
Brutal. 
You're like, yeah, we were 

1201
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,720
pretty hungry. 
I need to go on one of those 

1202
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,000
trips right now. 
Good Lord. 

1203
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Just to, yeah, drop a few. 
It gets tougher as you get older

1204
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,800
man. 
That's a great question, Coles. 

1205
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,560
Yeah, that was, I'd have to say,
that senior trip, and that was 

1206
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,120
Dexter Davison. 
Took that one. 

1207
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,840
That was Dexter Davison and Tom 
Hanley. 

1208
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,360
Well, you brought up and if 
anybody like again, Mike's got a

1209
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,360
great point about people chiming
in about these stories, but I 

1210
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,280
think one of the last groups to 
paddle, I paddled it when I was 

1211
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,360
a senior the Bay. 
I did too. 

1212
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,920
Out of the knife and one of the 
last groups that did it, 

1213
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,360
apparently there was some fog 
that rolled in. 

1214
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,320
Yeah. 
And I remember here in Dexter 

1215
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,160
saying, OK, we're going to a 
more. 

1216
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,600
He put like the staff guys on 
the end and he was behind and 

1217
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,680
put all the senior campers in 
the middle and they took off 

1218
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,480
towards with a compass reading. 
And Dexter honestly said, I 

1219
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,520
honestly didn't think everybody 
because they couldn't see each 

1220
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,400
other. 
So I think I was with Dexter on 

1221
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,080
that trip. 
OK. 

1222
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,320
That could have been your and 
and and, and I think that's what

1223
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,360
ended it. 
Well, and I remember, I have a 

1224
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,720
very vivid memory of that 
crossing because I think it's 

1225
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,520
about 6 miles from the knife 
delta over. 

1226
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,040
It's a little longer than that. 
Yeah, like maybe 6 to 8 miles, 

1227
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:45,640
something like that, right. 
And it's but you know it. 

1228
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,920
It's not that far of a distance,
but once you leave the shore. 

1229
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,720
You're out there. 
And within about 1/2 hour you 

1230
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,000
feel like you're in the middle 
of the ocean. 

1231
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,400
You're out there and you can't 
see. 

1232
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,720
Shore. 
Well, no, Yeah. 

1233
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,520
And pretty. 
And it was foggy that day, so 

1234
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,360
our visibility was pretty low. 
And I'll never forget because it

1235
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,680
wasn't, you know, we were 
waiting and waiting for the 

1236
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,880
right time to go do it. 
And then we woke up 1 morning 

1237
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,760
and it was like calm. 
There was no wind, which 

1238
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,840
normally is really windy on the 
shores, you know, and so we 

1239
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,760
headed out. 
But even when there's no wind, 

1240
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,200
those rollers, you know, the 
ocean movement is just kind of 

1241
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,000
like not what you're used to. 
And so you're, you're paddling 

1242
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,120
along at a normal clip. 
And I remember looking to my 

1243
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,560
left and right and you'd look 
over and see the other whatever 

1244
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,920
1012 canoes because all three of
the trips were together at that 

1245
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,480
point. 
And so you see all the other 

1246
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,800
canoes and then you see half of 
them go up and then they go down

1247
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,680
and the other half come up and 
then you and you can't see the 

1248
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,560
other boats. 
And I'll never forget Alex Ernst

1249
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,000
was in my bow. 
I was actually in a three man 

1250
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,200
aluminum Grumman for my senior 
trip, which was great for have, 

1251
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,760
you know, having to carry the 
canoe on portages because it was

1252
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,360
a much lighter. 
But we had three guys and Will 

1253
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:03,200
Bennett was my middle man. 
And about an hour into the trip 

1254
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,920
Alex got started getting seasick
in the bow of the boat and he 

1255
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,600
couldn't even paddle. 
And so we had to switch Will out

1256
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,840
and. 
Put Will in the front and Alex 

1257
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,200
just kind of went fetal position
in the middle of the canoe, 

1258
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,680
like, like moaning, you know. 
Then I look over and I see 

1259
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,920
Dexter in the stern of his boat 
about, you know, maybe quarter 

1260
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,200
mile away. 
And I look over and I see him 

1261
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:31,440
take a paddle stroke, bend down,
pick up his baler, barf into it,

1262
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,880
dump it, paddle stroke, bend 
down, barf into it, paddle 

1263
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,120
stroke. 
He did that three or four times.

1264
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,160
And I'll remember looking over 
like, well, this is serious. 

1265
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,280
Was he wearing that that famous 
red raincoat? 

1266
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,960
Yeah, Oh yeah, I think he was 
and but it. 

1267
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,080
Was that was it? 
Man, I I looked for that 

1268
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,680
raincoat on the horizon. 
So many. 

1269
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:55,600
Times it was wild and I, I think
that was, you know, I think Rob,

1270
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,720
I think they had called it on 
your year that that was the last

1271
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,680
time they're going to do it. 
But then of course circumstances

1272
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,800
change and we were supposed to 
be picked up and they, they 

1273
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,760
weren't coming or whatever it 
was, whatever stances were, and 

1274
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,320
we made the call to just do it. 
And and I I do think that might 

1275
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,480
have been the last time it was 
done. 

1276
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,160
And we didn't. 
We were the first group to not 

1277
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,800
bring a firearm on that trip, 
and fortunately we had found a a

1278
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:26,400
stash of blasting caps at a 
abandoned mine on southern 

1279
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,520
Indian Lake or no it was in. 
I can't remember what lake it 

1280
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,880
was, but those came in handy. 
Scaring the bears. 

1281
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,280
Oh yeah, on Hudson Bay. 
So. 

1282
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,880
Yeah, you brought up a name, 
Jack Batstone. 

1283
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,200
I I heard a story. 
I wasn't there. 

1284
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,920
I forget who told me the story. 
And I could have the names 

1285
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,280
wrong, but I want and I and I, 
I'm not going to do it justice 

1286
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,960
on a podcast. 
You got to kind of see it to 

1287
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,040
make it, but I'll try to my best
to describe it. 

1288
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,360
Batstone came to pick the group 
up. 

1289
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,600
He was going to boat him over. 
He's got this big, you know, 

1290
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,560
boat that he comes over in and 
loads of. 

1291
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,920
Canoes on it a couple of. 
Time and takes people over and 

1292
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,960
shuttles them and I think, I 
think, and they can call in and 

1293
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,720
correct me. 
I thought it was Sam Isham and 

1294
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,760
McGarry. 
Is Sam McGarry maybe? 

1295
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,160
Charlie or Sam? 
Yeah. 

1296
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,040
One of them I thought Sam maybe,
and they were in a boat together

1297
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,800
and one of them I thought it was
Sam and I could have like, maybe

1298
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,120
it's not. 
Wasn't Sam, it was somebody. 

1299
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,360
Matt, there's a Matt McGarry as.
Well, I don't know who it was, 

1300
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:28,040
but they, they found a moose 
antler on like day 2 and they 

1301
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,560
wanted to keep this moose 
antler. 

1302
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:37,600
So for 18 days the sternman is 
bitching about portaging this 

1303
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:43,240
damn moose antler for 18 days. 
OK, you know, every, every time 

1304
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,760
they went to bed, he's screaming
at the guy's buddy that this 

1305
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,800
moose antler is like, this is a 
true story. 

1306
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,640
So now Fast forward. 
They're at the Delta. 

1307
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,320
They're waiting. 
Here comes Batstone out on the 

1308
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,720
boat and they're paddling out. 
They're trying to time up the 

1309
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,600
waves. 
So and they paddle up and they 

1310
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,960
hanging on the Batstone's boat. 
And he's like, all right, He's 

1311
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,080
got his arms out. 
He's like, now hand me your 

1312
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,360
stuff. 
You know, they're on the side of

1313
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,440
his boat. 
And so one of them takes the 

1314
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,440
moose antler and throws it up 
the batstone. 

1315
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,920
Batstone turns, whips it out the
other side of the boat into the 

1316
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,760
water, turns back around with 
his arms out. 

1317
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,000
He goes, all right, give me the 
next thing. 

1318
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:22,320
And Mcgarry's like, what the 
hell just happened for 18 days. 

1319
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,600
I look, I think it's in the 
bottom of the freaking Hudson 

1320
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,440
Bay. 
Now that's a true story. 

1321
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,560
I absolutely. 
I've heard that story before it 

1322
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,960
cracks. 
I I think those are the 

1323
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,600
characters involved, but I I 
can't remember, but I laugh. 

1324
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,880
The sad look on the face of the 
kid and the counselor that dealt

1325
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,760
with that thing for three weeks.
I think they were both campers, 

1326
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,120
I think. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

1327
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,920
Yeah. 
Now we talked about, I've asked 

1328
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,840
questions about trips before. 
I mean, I don't do something to 

1329
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,000
camp here. 
I mean, you've kind of already 

1330
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,040
answered that, Mike. 
You know, if you had to go, if 

1331
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,240
you could go back and be, if 
there was one camping on the 

1332
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,040
island that you enjoyed being 
in, what was it? 

1333
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,120
Oh yeah, mine was 20 for sure. 
That was. 

1334
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,880
Yours was 20 I heard. 
My way from home. 

1335
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,680
I think I was just in there for 
three straight summers and it 

1336
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,320
was it was my favorite. 
Is it because it was the senior 

1337
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,000
camp or just you just like the? 
Yeah, it, well, the location of 

1338
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,400
it, I mean, it was, it was, I 
think it was the, the camper 

1339
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,360
cabin that was the closest 
physically to the water, right. 

1340
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,600
Cabin 2 I think would probably 
be the next closest one or Cabin

1341
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,640
17 down there. 
But I think 1, like one time I 

1342
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,480
actually measured it and like it
was like 12 steps from the front

1343
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,560
door of that cabin on to the 
senior dock, which was so nice 

1344
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,240
because you just roll out of bed
and hop in the water in the 

1345
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,240
morning. 
Cabin 2 holds a special place 

1346
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,960
because it was my first cabin 
and the oldest cabin. 

1347
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,240
And then Cabin 6 was really fun 
back when they had the steps up 

1348
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,520
from the from the main area. 
That was a really fun cabin to 

1349
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:46,600
be in. 
Robbie. 

1350
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,160
Cabin four. 
I was in cabin four with Bobby 

1351
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,560
Moore and oh gosh. 
That's a name. 

1352
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,520
That that first year that was, I
had great memories of that. 

1353
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,480
And then as a junior counselor, 
I was in cabin one. 

1354
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,080
I think they've moved it back a 
little bit. 

1355
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,480
It's yeah, it's been rearranged.
The junior camp's gone, gone 

1356
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:04,960
under. 
A lot of changes in the junior 

1357
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,280
camp for sure. 
Yeah, but I, I I would take that

1358
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,440
one over too, just because it's 
got better light and you can 

1359
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,840
polar bear. 
And then the other one was 16. 

1360
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,400
I always thought 16 was a cool 
cabin. 

1361
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,200
It was like right there next to 
the bell and you can roll out of

1362
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,640
bed and right to the to the 
dining hall. 

1363
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,440
Oh yes, and 1600, that cool deck
over the that cool deck, Yeah. 

1364
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:22,200
That a cool. 
Yeah. 

1365
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,080
I think that's a Dave Nylan 
design. 

1366
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,080
He was the same guy that he was 
an old camp guy. 

1367
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,880
He's an architect from 
Cincinnati, but he designed the 

1368
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,640
Junior Biffy that's there now. 
And he also did the the old trip

1369
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,840
center prior to the one there is
now the one that you guys knew 

1370
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,640
about. 
It was all back back down there 

1371
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,240
by the sailing ship. 
Had the four porches. 

1372
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,440
Kind of, yeah. 
He designed that as well. 

1373
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,560
Yeah, that architecture is, 
you're right, that is all over 

1374
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,160
the island. 
Yeah, it's a little, yeah. 

1375
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,560
You could tell his design's a 
little bit, the crazy roofs and 

1376
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:54,880
things like that. 
But that's who designed, I 

1377
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,320
think, Cabin 16. 
Yeah, you're right, Rob. 16 Was 

1378
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,880
that the one summer I was in the
air media camp with TJ 

1379
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,400
Semansion, I was in cabin 16. 
I love that cabin. 

1380
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,600
And yeah. 
Yeah, and it, it had the, IT had

1381
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,560
those stadium chairs on the 
front porch and. 

1382
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,160
We would, yeah, out front. 
Well, and it's there's one 

1383
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,000
closer, but it's right there 
next to the dining hall, which 

1384
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,200
was so great. 
Yeah, so. 

1385
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,800
Well, guys, I mean, we could sit
here all day, I think, but this 

1386
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,600
was fun. 
Yeah. 

1387
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,960
Oh, gosh, I just, I could sit 
and talk to you guys forever. 

1388
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,200
I wish, I wish we were sitting 
at Thunderbird or something 

1389
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,200
right now. 
But is there anything, anything 

1390
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,120
else before we sign off or? 
You know, the one thing I wanted

1391
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,560
to talk about was again, Jeff, 
just to thank you for for 

1392
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,600
leading the charge on this 
podcast. 

1393
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,640
You know, it's been so much fun 
to help out with it and to, you 

1394
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,240
know, line up these these 
individuals that tell these 

1395
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,080
stories. 
And, and I just hope this 

1396
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,640
podcast just keeps going. 
And I'll reiterate, you know, if

1397
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,120
anybody out there listening 
wants to be part of the podcast,

1398
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,560
it's an open invite. 
Let's get more voices on here. 

1399
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,920
And you know, in kind of a fun 
way, if you're hearing a story 

1400
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,600
or two that involves you or you 
have a different perspective on 

1401
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,440
it, then, you know, open your 
iPhone or whatever and record a 

1402
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,920
voice note and send it in. 
And we'll, we'll try to react to

1403
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,680
it and have some fun with it, 
you know? 

1404
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,120
Yeah, now Robbie, you going back
up this summer at the end? 

1405
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,000
Good. 
I've got a, I've got a 14 year 

1406
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,680
old that'll be first 
intermediate and then I've got a

1407
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,560
11 year old daughter who's going
to be up at, up at Ogeechee. 

1408
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,720
And they're, they're all in, 
they are all in Jeff, which has 

1409
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:27,360
been. 
Really cool. 

1410
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,640
I'm glad you mentioned the kids,
Rob, because I think, you know, 

1411
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:34,480
again, it's, it's when we think 
about camp, I think, you know, 

1412
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,400
once once I finished my staff 
run and as a lot of guys do, and

1413
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,880
you kind of develop your career 
path and and lose touch a little

1414
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,200
bit with camp. 
In the back of my mind, I always

1415
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,880
knew that one day my kids would 
go and here we are, you know, 

1416
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,800
and it's it's my daughter is 
going to be doing her 4th 

1417
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,240
summer. 
It'll get you next summer. 

1418
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,360
She did 8 weeks last year. 
She is she drank the kool-aid 

1419
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,000
100% and is just all about camp.
She bug. 

1420
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,680
Juice. 
She drank the bug juice. 

1421
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,840
Exactly. 
And, and then my son Ted, he'll 

1422
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,480
be a junior this summer for four
weeks, second session. 

1423
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:16,240
And they are, you know, it's 
just so cool to see the kids 

1424
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,920
going and, you know, for Rob and
I and, and Pat and his wife 

1425
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,040
Carla, their kids go as well. 
And so now it's become a way for

1426
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,640
us to hang out in the summertime
up at up in Minnesota, you know,

1427
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,399
and, and see guys like you, Jeff
and, and connect with all those 

1428
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:32,439
people. 
And so it's become kind of our 

1429
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,279
way of staying connected. 
And summer gathering is, you 

1430
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,000
know, up there is there's no 
place better. 

1431
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:42,520
Well, it's, it's great. 
I'm excited that the Walsh name 

1432
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:47,479
continues to walk the paths of 
both Ogichi and Cooch. 

1433
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,040
It's a, it's a, it's a wonderful
family. 

1434
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,720
I've I've had the pleasure of 
meeting you guys and having you 

1435
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,160
as campers and I just can't wait
to see you guys again this 

1436
01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,720
summer as we visit up there. 
And, you know, thanks again for 

1437
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,319
the stories and let's keep 
telling them. 

1438
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,840
And it was fun having you on 
this episode today. 

1439
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,200
Thanks guys. 
You got it, Jeff. 

1440
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,760
Thank you. 
Thanks, Jeff. 

1441
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:08,359
This was great.