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So as you know, we're doing a 
Q&A and I'm going to hand it off

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to Mark. 
But before we do that, maybe we 

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should pray. 
Ask the Lord to help us if you'd

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like to pray for us, Sure. 
Father, we thank you for 

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blessing us with this time. 
Lord, what a privilege it is to 

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gather. 
Here is blood bought Saints to 

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dive into your word, to know you
better through your word. 

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To live as Christians through 
your word. 

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Lord, may you enlighten our 
eyes, enlighten our minds and 

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our hearts as we answer and talk
about these sometimes difficult 

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questions. 
Lord, it may propel us to 

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greater faithfulness and greater
love toward you. 

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In Jesus name. 
Amen. 

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Amen. 
All right. 

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Well, we have a few questions 
here I'm excited to, really. 

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Just talk about them a little 
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There's some very practical 
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theological questions in there. 
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questions that you all 
submitted, it's really it's it's

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not a stump, the pastor type of 
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It's these are real questions 
that are on people's minds 

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wanting to know what the word of
God says about some hard to 

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understand issues. 
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on it earlier today and you know
in Peter second Peter where he 

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says that you know things that 
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Hard to understand sometimes, 
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But ultimately, and I love how 
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though these things are hard to 
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some people out there who will 
misuse and abuse these difficult

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scriptures to to bring doubt 
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Peter ends this with, then ends 
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He he prays for them, and he 
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Grow in the grace and knowledge 
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Christ. 
To him be the glory both now and

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to the day of eternity. 
Amen. 

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Amen. 
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I'm excited to really dive into 
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So let's start, you know, as 
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Daniel, it's. 
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all around us, the unbelieving 
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there's arguments, there's just 
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spitefulness. 
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Christian community of 
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to be different from the world. 
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have. 
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We still have disagreements, We 
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So how do we as Christians 
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Christ when that brother and or 
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Yeah, that's a huge question 
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instructions about the church, 
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entire Gospels where Jesus 
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and clearly. 
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Matthew and Matthew 16, where 
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concerning Christ Jesus refers 
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that revelation. 
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Jesus instructs believers how to
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he refers to the church in those
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fact that Jesus, out of all the 
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the function of the church, the 
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touch on was that the purpose of
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life is that there would be a 
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accountability. 
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become followers of Jesus Christ
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universal church, but the 
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local settings, the primary. 
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that is that we would open our 
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speak into our lives and also 
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to respectfully restore brother 
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believers view the local church.
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many people view their 
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Christ bringing us together is 
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for one another and what that 
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that Christ has given us 
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should function as, we have to 
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case by case situation. 
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the sin. 
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of where that sin perhaps was 
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believers to also follow in his 
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to his face. 
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to call out a believer and sin 
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you go back to what the actual 
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brother sins, you go to him 
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protocol given to believers. 
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is there, there's still a call 
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if they are caught in sin or 
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so in a way in which you would 
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were caught in sin. 
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people are in sin, sometimes 
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lesser revelation than you are. 
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faith. 
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in doing that, to ask a lot of 
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evidence and then saying, you 
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what you want to do is you want 
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confess that sin. 
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confrontation is not to demean 
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restore. 
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stage, you want to win that 
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You don't want to destroy them, 
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off or give them the impression 
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lonely, there are moments and 
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strong word needs to be given 
that serious rebuke needs to be 

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offered. 
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potential confrontations, but we
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to consider the different facets
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situation. 
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to redeem this brother. 
I want to see this sister. 

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Come back to the faith, come 
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back to honoring the Lord in 
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people do it effectively is, 
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said it, but it it did hurt me. 
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know, do you have a reason 
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ignorance. 
They could have done something 

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due to a blind spot. 
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we're offended. 
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they did it to intentionally 
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scenarios that we have to 
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general rule, ask questions, 
come in gentleness and always 

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put yourself in their shoes. 
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something, how would you want to
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someone and they're like I I 
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I don't understand what what? 
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Like if you have a confronting 
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no repentance, there's no 
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answer. 
Bring two or three other 

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serious this is, bringing other 
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and they still or repeat that 
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shallow and not true, then it 
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says, then you have to treat 
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order for them to realize that 
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of repentance. 
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somebody in their sin in the 
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and respect does not disqualify 
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serious approach if it requires 
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that's just my personality, 
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legitimate, they'll agree with 
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to keep the the sin issue of a 
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private as possible and to and 
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honorable way come to their 
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public. 
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approach, then that's because of
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ultimately repent. 
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Last followup question, because 
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lot, especially in the in the 
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unfortunately nowadays are there
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situations where Matthew 18 
would not apply, where you are 

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not called to go one-on-one with
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against you? 
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I love that followup question 
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the brother in the Church of 
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father's wife. 
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And Paul skips all those steps 
and he says get him out of 

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there, get him out of there, he 
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is because it was a public sin. 

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The church indirectly affirmed 
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through that protocol. 

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And so it's not this black and 
white thing. 

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There are Gray areas. 
There are different situations 

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that demand different responses 
and there is license for that. 

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So absolutely depends on the 
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circumstances, situation, 
situation. 

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If a leader sins, there's a 
different approach than if a 

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believer in the congregation a 
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So yeah, we can't just, we can't
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it to every single case. 
That might be unwise. 

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And that's why there's always a 
call to wisdom concerning the 

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nature of send the severity of 
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dangerous it is. 
All those things need to be put 

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into Factor, yeah. 
Great, Okay. 

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Let's move on to the next one. 
You know, many churches preach 

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primarily from the New Testament
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Testament, whether it's Sunday 
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Bible study times. 
In fact, you do have some well 

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regarded or at least well known 
Christian leaders nowadays. 

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I'm thinking of Andy Stanley 
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Point, who's on record as saying
that Christians need to uncouple

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themselves from the Old 
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What would you say to that? 
And and can we apply all of the 

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Old Testament to us as New 
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And how do we know what's and 
what not to apply if we don't 

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apply all the Old Testament? 
Yeah, it's unfortunate that many

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people, whether they like the 
situation you brought up, this 

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is one of this, assisted 
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the Old Testament. 
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the Old Testament and don't see 
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teach on and expound on it. 
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concern because we realize we 
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So how does the old covenant 
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And that's a vital question. 
That's an important question. 

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I understand the the reasoning 
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What we have to understand is 
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told in Romans 15 believe verse 
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Believe verse 6 and verse 11, 

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that there is encouragement and 
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Testament stories. 
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these Psalms, there is value for
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And so people kind of look down 
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of David and the story of Joseph
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defense of Christ being. 
The theme of the Bible is you 

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can't put yourself in that story
with Joseph. 

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You can't put yourself in that 
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And I get that you can stretch 
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you and not make it about God's 
glory. 

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At the same time, Paul tells me 
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encouragement. 
I can go to how God dealt with 

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Joseph's life with his perfect, 
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believe the same for my life. 
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say, yeah, God honors faith and 
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They're concerning my faith with
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of course. 
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unfortunate thing to hear people
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I know their hearts are in the 
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to defend the glory of Christ 
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thread from beginning to end. 
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illegitimate with me and for you
for anybody else to go to the 

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Old Testament with the 
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to see how these things apply to
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In fact, the Old Testament is 
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New Testament principles. 
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to the original question, I get 
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the New covenant, so how do we 
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Maybe ceremonial laws, rituals, 
feast. 

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Or what has ceased to be 
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And there are two places that 
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question. 
One is an Isaiah 42. 

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You're told they're in the first
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concerning the Messiah to come 
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we are told that the Coast lands
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That's an interesting phrase 
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gentile nations themselves are 
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When you go to Hebrews 7, the 
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the priesthood of Melchizedek is
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Aaron. 
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chapter, verse 12 I believe, 
where he mentions that if there 

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is a new priesthood, then 
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there is going to be a new law. 
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What that means is that in the 
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a law within that covenant, a 
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approaching sanctification, 
approaching our relationship 

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with the Lord. 
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Not that he dismissed the Old 
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of it. 
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substance of the Old Testament, 
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the law of Christ. 
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Christ in the New Covenant? 
I think the best way to do is to

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read the New Covenant, read the 
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apostles who were given 
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Christ that the Spirit would 
come and he would reveal 

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everything that the Christ would
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upon his teachings. 
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weren't ready to receive all 
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And what you'll see as you study
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is some overlap with the Old 
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things that don't apply anymore.
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Sabbath, right? 
They look at the 10 commandments

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and they'll see that nine of 
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the New Covenant. 
But the the Sabbath, as the Jews

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observed, is not necessarily 
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It's not emphasized as a 
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church. 
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Because Christ is the Sabbath. 
Hebrews 4. 

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He fulfilled that, but at the 
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moral code that still applies in
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So the best way to know what 
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is to simply study the New 
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Realize that there was a law, 
there was a law from them aside 

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that was anticipated, and that 
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That is what we are subject to. 
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properly interpret the Old 
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So I we know of a brother who's 
not here, but he loves the Lord,

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and I trust that he's still 
walking with the Lord. 

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When he first got saved, he 
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And so when he approached the 
Old Testament thinking, well, 

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I'm supposed to read this from 
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some of those levitical laws 
concerning how men should dress 

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and how they should not shave, 
that the ends of their the size 

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of their beards. 
And he thought, okay, well, 

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that's what I got to do as a 
Christian. 

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I got to not shave here and 
dress this way. 

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And a wise believer approached 
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apply. 
You know, that's not binding on 

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us. 
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Just consider the law of Christ.

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And that is what we are called 
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Great. 
Love to spend more time on that 

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one. 
Yeah, you know, unfortunately we

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have to move on. 
Next question. 

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This is a good one. 
Some teach that Jesus went to 

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hell after he died and before 
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Where was Jesus during that 
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That is a good question, and the
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clear insight concerning that 
period of time between his death

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and his resurrection, I believe,
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That's the clearest place. 
And when you go to first Peter 

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three, you get one idea of what 
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Saturday, as some like to 
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He says this in verse 19. 
Well, I can read from verse 

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18th. 
For Christ also suffered once 

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for sins, the righteous for the 
unrighteous, that he might bring

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us to God, being put to death in
the flesh, but made alive in the

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spirit in which he went and 
proclaimed to the spirits in 

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prison, because they formerly 
did not obey. 

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When God's patience waited in 
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was being prepared, in which a 
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brought safely through water. 
So there isn't much given 

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concerning that time and where 
we are given little, we have to 

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say little not go beyond what is
written. 

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But based on this, what we can 
say is that Jesus in the spirit 

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went to a particular spiritual 
place and he proclaimed a 

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message to certain spirits who 
were imprisoned, obviously in 

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prison for many, many, many 
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Noah and for a specific sin or 
series of sin during that time 

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of Noah. 
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believed to be demon spirits who
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generation of Noah. 
And there's debate about the 

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extent of their influence and 
how they interacted with the 

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sons of of of men. 
But what's Jesus here doing, 

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proclaiming to these spirits who
are incarcerated and imprisoned 

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until judgment? 
Right? 

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Based on this, we can make the 
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there are some demons who are 
held captive until the day of 

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judgment, and there are other 
demons who are that loose on the

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earth, obviously under God's 
sovereign will for them to do 

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their bidding. 
But at this time, Jesus comes 

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into this holding place and he 
preaches he doesn't preach the 

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gospel. 
He's not evangelizing these 

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spirits, but what he is doing is
that he is making a triumphant 

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declaration. 
That's what Christ is doing. 

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And so there could be even the 
possibility that these spirits 

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rejoiced at the site of the 
death of the Son of God, that 

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that they probably thought, 
okay, we did it. 

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We we were able to overthrow 
prophecy. 

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We were able to conquer the plan
of salvation. 

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And who comes in? 
Jesus Christ declaring his 

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victory, declaring his vicarious
death, his triumphant success 

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over the grave? 
I would, I would love to have 

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seen those spirits faces. 
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that Jesus really came to 
declare his victory. 

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And one thing's for certain, he 
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our sins. 
He didn't. 

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He didn't do anything because it
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It was finished at the cross. 
He he drank every drop of that 

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cup. 
And so all he's doing here is 

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letting people know that he did 
do that, letting specific 

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spirits know, and even the 
ascension is a declaration of 

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that. 
I I'm looking forward to 

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preaching one day purely on the 
ascension of Jesus Christ. 

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We often hear about his, his, 
his incarnation. 

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We hear about His crucifixion. 
We hear about His resurrection, 

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but very little is mentioned 
about His ascension. 

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There is a message with that 
ascension. 

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There's a reason why He bodily 
went up into the clouds, and the

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and the reason behind that is 
deeper than we would think. 

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So you have to come to that 
sermon. 

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I'm not going to share it. 
Why now? 

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So looking at the Apostles Creed
where it says that Jesus was 

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crucified, dead and buried, 
descended into the hell on 3rd 

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day rose again, would you say 
Christians should? 

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Not or should say that if they 
are saying the Apostles Creed 

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because some churches say the 
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liturgy, the word hell, is that 
the the point that you're 

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bringing up? 
Yes. 

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Yeah that's a translation issue 
more than anything else. 

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So especially with older 
translations you'll see the word

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hell used. 
But in the original it's really 

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referring to Hades the grave she
Ole. 

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And so that comes really to a 
translation issue, if if what 

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they mean by Hell is what we see
in Revelation 20 and where the 

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lake of fire will be created, 
where death in Hades will be 

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thrown into, and everybody whose
name's not written in the book 

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of life. 
And yes, don't use that word. 

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Jesus didn't enter into Hell in 
that case, but he did enter into

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the underworld as we see here. 
And he did declare triumphantly 

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how he conquered not just death,
but Satan himself. 

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So just be careful with your 
terminology, whether it's a 

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creed or averse, concerning your
translation, and just make sure 

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that you're not confused or 
people hearing it are confused. 

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Great. 
All right. 

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The next question, you know, in 
in many Christian colleges, it 

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was the case when I was in 
Christian college, and it's 

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certainly the case now. 
You still have you do have 

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people say legitimately I think 
sometimes, sometimes not 

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legitimately. 
A guy goes up to a girl, is most

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often the case, and says God 
told me to marry you. 

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It happens probably not the 
wisest thing to say sometimes, 

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but should Christians? 
And I don't know if this is a 

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man or a woman asking this 
question, but so should I wait 

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for a prophetic word to tell me 
who to marry? 

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There's a common joke. 
I've said it before, so I 

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apologize if you heard it 
before, but if you haven't I'll 

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I'll share it anyway. 
About this woman who was at a 

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conference and after a few days 
a man approaches this woman, 

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obviously attracted, drawn to 
her, and says that very thing. 

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He says, The Lord told me that 
you're supposed to be my wife 

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and the woman gently looked at 
him. 

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He says really says yes, and she
says, did the Lord tell that to 

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my husband? 
So should you wait for a 

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prophetic word to tell you who 
to marry? 

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No, absolutely not. 
You should not wait for a 

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prophetic word because there's 
no instruction for that in the 

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Bible when it comes to selecting
a spouse. 

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Let me broaden it. 
I think a lot of Christians even

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fall into the trap of waiting 
for any supernatural sign to 

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indicate to them that somebody 
is a potential candidate or is 

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supposed to be your spouse, 
because again, there is no 

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scriptural mandate or even 
invitation to do that. 

455
00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:54,580
Now I know how some people feel 
like, Are you saying that you 

456
00:25:54,580 --> 00:25:58,020
shouldn't pray for God to reveal
who that person should be? 

457
00:25:58,020 --> 00:25:58,940
Absolutely not. 
You should. 

458
00:25:59,140 --> 00:26:01,940
There's anything to pray the 
most about Is that more than 

459
00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:04,340
your job, more than your car, 
more than where to move is Lord,

460
00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:06,980
who would you have me marry? 
Who is the person that you would

461
00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:13,400
have me covenant with? 
But I'm afraid that as people 

462
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,760
are praying for, that they're 
waiting for something that is 

463
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,480
not necessarily something that 
God has to grant. 

464
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,400
Can God supernaturally make 
something known? 

465
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Yeah. 
Who says that he can't? 

466
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,880
Is that the norm? 
I I say, no, it's not the norm. 

467
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,600
And where people tend to go is 
the story with Isaac and 

468
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,320
Rebecca. 
Genesis 24. 

469
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,560
Abraham sends his servant to 
find a wife for his son Isaac, 

470
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:40,360
and he arrives at a specific 
well and he seeks the Lord. 

471
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,760
And this is what he asked the 
Lord. 

472
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:47,730
He says, Lord, when a woman 
comes and if she asked if I want

473
00:26:47,730 --> 00:26:55,610
to drink, let her also ask if 
she can feed my camels and then 

474
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:58,050
I will know that my trip was in 
a waste. 

475
00:26:58,090 --> 00:27:01,530
And this is the person that you 
have for my master son. 

476
00:27:02,050 --> 00:27:05,330
And people tend to use that and 
they get very creative in asking

477
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:08,770
God for signs, right? 
Lord, when she knocks on my 

478
00:27:08,770 --> 00:27:11,330
door, let her wear this. 
Or Lord, let her order. 

479
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:14,040
That. 
Or Lord, let her call me at this

480
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,240
time. 
And so we make very specific 

481
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:22,320
demands and we use Genesis 24 as
a license to approach that 

482
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,960
decision or that kind of prayer 
in that way. 

483
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,160
But people miss what the Abraham
servant even prayed about. 

484
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,240
He wasn't asking for a random 
sign. 

485
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,040
Notice what he asked for. 
He asked that the Lord would 

486
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,560
reveal something about this 
woman's character. 

487
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,280
Right, this Lord, I want her to 
not just do what's obvious and 

488
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,080
what's demanded of or what's the
social norm. 

489
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,880
I want her to go above and 
beyond. 

490
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:56,040
So Lord, if this woman goes 
above and beyond, then I'll know

491
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,200
that she's someone special, then
I'll know. 

492
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,080
So there's something there in 
principle for us that if you're 

493
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,600
going to be asking the Lord for 
anything, is to open your eyes 

494
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,090
to that person's heart, to that 
person's inner beauty, to that 

495
00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:14,250
person's fear of God, to that 
person's integrity, right. 

496
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:18,050
I think that's how we need to be
praying with that. 

497
00:28:18,050 --> 00:28:21,810
Don't get me wrong, pray, Lord 
protect me from the wrong one. 

498
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:25,170
Because Ecclesiastes tells us 
that there's something worse 

499
00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:29,050
than death, and that's a woman 
whose heart is chains and 

500
00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:31,450
fetters, right? 
In other words, out. 

501
00:28:31,530 --> 00:28:34,410
Externally she looks fine, but 
internally she's a trap. 

502
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:39,510
And he says the Sinner is taken 
by her, but the one who pleases 

503
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:44,550
God escapes her. 
And so take that scripture and 

504
00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:46,310
bring it before the Lord. 
But again, that's that's found 

505
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:49,150
in the word of God. 
Lord, as long as I walk in your 

506
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:51,990
way and your will, as long as 
I'm honoring you, you promise me

507
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:54,550
that I will not be in a trap. 
You won't put me in a 

508
00:28:54,550 --> 00:28:56,750
relationship that I'll later be 
like, what did I get myself 

509
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:58,950
into? 
You promise me? 

510
00:28:59,390 --> 00:29:02,310
You promise here that you will 
guide me to the right person, 

511
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:05,430
and so open my eyes to the 
extent in which I can see this 

512
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:07,510
person as a potential partner 
for life. 

513
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:13,950
And so be careful asking for 
something so specific that would

514
00:29:13,950 --> 00:29:17,710
delay you or even cause you to 
miss out on potential candidates

515
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:21,910
before you. 
And so, yeah, it breaks my heart

516
00:29:21,910 --> 00:29:24,950
to see people thinking that way 
that they that in order for them

517
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:30,710
to find somebody, they need this
extravagant, awesome story. 

518
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:33,210
And I get it. 
But, you know, you want God to 

519
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:35,490
be glorified in that story. 
But again, I'm afraid that 

520
00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:41,010
people romanticize that story. 
They want this testimony so that

521
00:29:41,010 --> 00:29:42,610
when somebody that says how do 
you, how do you guys meet? 

522
00:29:42,610 --> 00:29:45,090
You can say, oh, let me tell you
how we met. 

523
00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:50,170
And I remember we studied the 
book of Ruth when we did that 

524
00:29:50,170 --> 00:29:52,890
few years back. 
And it dawned on me with the 

525
00:29:52,890 --> 00:29:55,290
backdrop of Genesis 24 with 
Isaac and Rebecca, you can say 

526
00:29:55,290 --> 00:29:56,850
that that was a supernatural 
story, right. 

527
00:29:56,850 --> 00:29:59,450
It was still an answer to 
prayer, though the the request 

528
00:29:59,450 --> 00:30:04,230
was very, very realistic. 
You look at Ruth and Boaz's 

529
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:07,670
story and and you don't get any 
hint of that kind of 

530
00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:10,070
intervention. 
You see Providence. 

531
00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:14,950
You see a woman who just wants 
to obey God, and so she does 

532
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:17,710
what she's called to do as a 
poor individual. 

533
00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:22,510
She goes and she gleans from, 
you know, the the, the wheat 

534
00:30:22,590 --> 00:30:26,230
fields and as she's there, just 
obeying what she's been given 

535
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:28,550
concerning God's revelation for 
her life and that season of her 

536
00:30:28,550 --> 00:30:30,110
life. 
There's Boaz in the same field 

537
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:33,940
and they meet and they reflect 
on the fact that there's a 

538
00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:36,180
relationship here so I can 
actually redeem you. 

539
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:38,140
I I can actually be kinsman 
Redeemer. 

540
00:30:38,140 --> 00:30:41,700
So they go to court and they 
figure it out and there was a 

541
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:43,500
little bit of an obstacle and 
they overcame the obstacle and 

542
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,420
they got married. 
That doesn't sound as exciting 

543
00:30:47,420 --> 00:30:52,140
as Abraham servant praying and 
God revealing it. 

544
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:54,660
And then I'm going back to 
Rebecca's house and sharing that

545
00:30:54,660 --> 00:30:57,300
story and then all be like, wow,
this has to be of God. 

546
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:00,780
But is is Boa's and Ruth story 
any less God's will? 

547
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Is there any less of God's 
leading? 

548
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,760
No, it's not. 
So don't idolize or romanticize 

549
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,240
this Disney idea of Prince 
Charming meeting someone. 

550
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,400
Just just trust God's leading 
and believe that he can lead. 

551
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,960
If not, he tends to mostly lead 
through Providence more than 

552
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,640
anything else. 
OK. 

553
00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:27,500
Yeah, I love that I and and just
to add on that, I I love how you

554
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:31,380
said that's normally God works 
through ordinary means. 

555
00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:33,740
That's not to say he doesn't 
work through supernatural means 

556
00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:36,820
like salvation, right? 
Could God, could Christ appear 

557
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:39,340
visibly to everyone that he is 
going to say? 

558
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:42,180
Absolutely. 
But he does it through ordinary 

559
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:44,380
means, through the preaching of 
God's Word. 

560
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:48,620
And like when you're looking for
a spouse, God has given you all 

561
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:51,960
of the means to choose a spouse.
Praying. 

562
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,960
Seeking the wisdom of the Lord. 
Reading your Bible right? 

563
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,680
You would I I I'm surprised by 
how many people struggle. 

564
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,680
Like, is this person for me? 
Is this person not for me? 

565
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040
When one's a Christian and one's
not a Christian right, it's not 

566
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,360
even a question. 
So we don't need a supernatural 

567
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,880
sign for that. 
And also wisdom from other 

568
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,920
believers. 
I will say that, but go ahead. 

569
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,400
Please go. 
Yeah, especially your parents. 

570
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Are your parents believers? 
What do they think are your 

571
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,040
friends? 
Are your older people in the 

572
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,360
church? 
They're believers. 

573
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,320
So get around these people with 
your potential girlfriend or 

574
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,400
boyfriend or future spouse so 
that they can see they can speak

575
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,640
into your life. 
They can see this other person 

576
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,000
probably clearer than you can 
because they're not distracted 

577
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,060
by. 
Romance or love or anything like

578
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:48,140
that. 
They can see it from a Christian

579
00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:52,220
wise perspective as also someone
who cares about you as a brother

580
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:54,180
or sister in Christ. 
Absolutely. 

581
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:59,220
And and the council of many, 
their safety proverb says right.

582
00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:03,500
And whenever it speaks about 
counselors, it's plural. 

583
00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:07,180
So not just even one person, you
know, have a few people in your 

584
00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:10,270
life that are mature 
spiritually, that that you know 

585
00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:12,950
are for you and love you and 
that you can open up about and 

586
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:15,350
say this is what this person's 
like and be honest in your 

587
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:16,950
assessment of that person, 
Right. 

588
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:18,790
Be honest. 
This is what this person's like,

589
00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:24,510
you know, their spiritual 
condition, their actions, 

590
00:33:24,510 --> 00:33:27,110
reactions, interactions, be 
honest so that you can have the 

591
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:30,910
best kind of counsel you can get
with the clearest evidence that 

592
00:33:30,910 --> 00:33:34,390
you provide. 
So yeah, it's God has given us 

593
00:33:34,390 --> 00:33:37,630
the same Holy Spirit who can 
speak prophetically is the same 

594
00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:40,640
Holy Spirit who says and many 
counselors. 

595
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,880
There is security, right? 
It's the same Holy Spirit who 

596
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,400
says get get around believers 
who can speak into your life and

597
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,160
guide you and help you see blind
spots, right? 

598
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,800
Great question. 
Amen. 

599
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,160
I'll end it with this. 
Learn from Raya Boehm, right? 

600
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,160
Don't pick all of your friends, 
people your own age, people with

601
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,400
the same life experience as you,
as your only counselors. 

602
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,640
Learn from the wise, the older, 
the Gray heads around you. 

603
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,159
It's really good. 
Amen. 

604
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,239
OK, next question. 
Why do you baptize in the name 

605
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,840
of the Father, Son, and Holy 
Spirit rather than baptizing in 

606
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,280
the name of Jesus as the 
apostles did? 

607
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,800
Because Jesus said to Matthew 28
we're commanded by Christ to 

608
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,840
baptize in the name of the 
Father, Son, Holy Spirit. 

609
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,040
Where this comes from though is 
when you read the book of Acts, 

610
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,280
you see this habit of the 
apostles in the early church 

611
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,199
baptizing purely and exclusively
in the name of Jesus. 

612
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,199
And so that has created a trend 
among some specific 

613
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:49,560
denominations, namely Oneness 
Pentecostals will apply that 

614
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,880
where they will baptize in Jesus
name only. 

615
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,760
Is this even a big deal? 
Like what's so important about 

616
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,560
that question? 
And it is a big deal, One, 

617
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,240
because it's a command that 
Jesus gave, right? 

618
00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:05,380
And two, there are massive 
implications in Jesus giving 

619
00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:07,900
that specific set of 
instructions the formula of our 

620
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:09,740
baptism. 
One, it's it's one of the two 

621
00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:13,980
ordinances, right? 
And two, you are identifying 

622
00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:18,900
with something in your baptism. 
And what Christ is saying there 

623
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:23,900
is very special because he uses 
the singular noun for name, 

624
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:28,220
doesn't say in the names of the 
Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 

625
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:32,310
He says singularly in the name 
of the Father, Son and Holy 

626
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:38,270
Spirit, which solidifies our 
belief in our God being triune 

627
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:40,550
right. 
Muslims will often ask. 

628
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:42,830
They ask a lot of things, but 
they'll often ask. 

629
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:47,830
Show me where in the Gospels 
Jesus ever taught the Trinity. 

630
00:35:47,830 --> 00:35:51,470
And I always go to that verse. 
I'll always go to Matthew 28. 

631
00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:55,470
I see you tell me what it means 
to baptize in the name of the 

632
00:35:55,470 --> 00:35:57,430
Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 
What does that mean? 

633
00:35:58,830 --> 00:36:01,310
And that pretty much ends the 
conversation, at least with that

634
00:36:01,310 --> 00:36:06,990
question. 
And so those who who tend to say

635
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:09,870
you know you should only baptize
in Jesus name because the early 

636
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:13,590
church and the apostles did 
don't have a trinitarian 

637
00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:15,710
conviction. 
Not all, but most. 

638
00:36:16,110 --> 00:36:18,790
So it makes sense why they would
use that as an argument. 

639
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:22,630
But it still begs the question, 
if Jesus commanded it, why do we

640
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:26,030
not see that more often as a 
pattern in the New Testament, 

641
00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:29,820
namely in in the book of Acts? 
And I think the reason is 

642
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:36,500
because Jesus Christ himself was
rejected as the Messiah, and 

643
00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:38,500
especially with the Jewish 
audience. 

644
00:36:39,180 --> 00:36:43,780
The call to be baptized in his 
name was especially scandalous, 

645
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:49,220
and it reinforced the identity 
of Christ that demanded their 

646
00:36:49,220 --> 00:36:50,980
allegiance to and their 
surrender to and their 

647
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:54,420
repentance to. 
And so Jesus being at the 

648
00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:59,210
forefront in the call for 
baptism was important because of

649
00:36:59,890 --> 00:37:02,730
what the nation of Israel had 
done concerning Jesus, what they

650
00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:05,050
thought about him. 
And so it was a call to 

651
00:37:05,050 --> 00:37:09,130
acknowledge and pledge their 
allegiance to Christ to him 

652
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:12,930
specifically because of the 
recent events concerning him. 

653
00:37:13,330 --> 00:37:16,050
And so that's the, I think, the 
best way to explain why they 

654
00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:19,450
emphasize Jesus. 
And it doesn't override what 

655
00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:21,570
Christ had commanded. 
Amen. 

656
00:37:22,170 --> 00:37:23,650
Amen. 
OK. 

657
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:26,930
The next question comes from a 
sister. 

658
00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:33,690
She says, why should I have an 
open womb instead of using 

659
00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:37,010
contraceptives? 
And I and and I think even 

660
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:40,010
before you start answering 
contraceptives, I think we 

661
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:41,930
should be very clear on 
definitions, right? 

662
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:45,450
There's those contraceptives 
that are abortifacients, Plan B,

663
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:49,810
other other contraceptives like 
that. 

664
00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:54,250
And then there's other 
contraceptives that prevent 

665
00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:56,920
conception. 
Right. 

666
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,200
Prevent the egg and the sperm 
joining together. 

667
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,920
And there's also other 
contraceptives that aren't even 

668
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,480
medical per se, right? 
Natural. 

669
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,120
Natural contraceptive. 
So what do you say? 

670
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,120
This is controversial. 
Some people feel very strongly 

671
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,600
about this topic and this 
question. 

672
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,000
And so let's just set a 
foundation and saying that any 

673
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,240
kind of contraceptive that would
induce an abortion or a 

674
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:28,740
miscarriage is wrong, right? 
We don't want to kill anything 

675
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,060
because we believe that life is 
at conception. 

676
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:34,380
And so that's out of the 
question, I think where the 

677
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:41,260
debate is other means that don't
necessarily do that, that not 

678
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:43,780
interfering with life 
necessarily, but interfering 

679
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,900
with God's sovereign will in 
that process. 

680
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:51,980
So here's what I would say. 
And we have to be careful 

681
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:54,340
because the Bible doesn't 
explicitly prohibit this, 

682
00:38:54,780 --> 00:38:57,820
doesn't give clear instructions 
about this, and so we have to 

683
00:38:57,820 --> 00:39:00,260
operate with wisdom and we have 
to take the whole council of God

684
00:39:00,260 --> 00:39:04,100
into consideration. 
Is the idea of family planning 

685
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:08,580
wrong? 
I would argue no, because if we 

686
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:11,220
use the same line of 
argumentations that people use 

687
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:17,700
to deny any kind of birth 
control, I'm I'm talking about 

688
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:22,900
the legitimate ideas, we 
wouldn't use another facets of 

689
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:26,610
life. 
So one of the common ideas 

690
00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:30,210
concerning this is people would 
say, well children are a gift of

691
00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:33,850
the Lord, why would you try to 
stop yourselves from receiving a

692
00:39:33,850 --> 00:39:37,290
gift from him? 
And I understand that sentiment 

693
00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:39,210
and we have to believe that 
children are gift of of the 

694
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,610
Lord. 
But when we look at, for 

695
00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:43,930
example, marriage, we see 
marriage as a gift as well, 

696
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:45,210
right? 
Is it not? 

697
00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:48,490
He finds a wife, finds a good 
thing and obtains favor from the

698
00:39:48,490 --> 00:39:51,450
Lord. 
But just because that in itself 

699
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:54,290
is a gift. 
We don't expect every single 

700
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:57,690
person to get married. 
We don't demand marriage on 

701
00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:01,090
everyone. 
In fact, Paul Paul in 1st 27 

702
00:40:01,090 --> 00:40:03,490
says that in the case that he 
was in the context he was in it,

703
00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:07,210
it's better that you are as I. 
And he gives reasons for that. 

704
00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:09,770
Yes, there was persecution that 
was arising that made marriage 

705
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:13,130
and and and that worldly care 
very difficult. 

706
00:40:13,410 --> 00:40:16,290
But he also says, you know, you 
secure an undivided devotion to 

707
00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:19,930
the Lord in your singleness. 
So is Paul contradicting? 

708
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:23,080
What Genesis says, right? 
Because Genesis is often alluded

709
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,280
to be fruitful and multiply. 
Yes, be fruitful and multiply, 

710
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440
but also says in Genesis it's 
not good for man to be alone. 

711
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,800
But we don't condemn anybody if 
they believe by God's leaning 

712
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:41,200
that they are to be single. 
They are not dishonoring God in 

713
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,200
that right if they believe that 
this is something the Lord's 

714
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,910
called them to. 
And so we have to be careful in 

715
00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:53,910
using these ideas that are from 
a good place, but to condemn 

716
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:57,230
others for not having that same 
convictions as others would 

717
00:40:57,230 --> 00:41:00,710
have. 
I think there is wisdom and 

718
00:41:00,790 --> 00:41:03,310
regulation, there's wisdom and 
thinking and and praying, and I 

719
00:41:03,310 --> 00:41:07,190
think where we have to check 
ourselves in this whole process.

720
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:09,470
And I hope they're asking this 
within the context of marriage. 

721
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:15,820
I'm assuming they are right. 
What are your reasons in 

722
00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:22,260
delaying and what is your 
attitude toward children now? 

723
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:25,340
If you, as a believing husband 
and wife, look at children as a 

724
00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:28,620
burden altogether, and you don't
want to have children because of

725
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:31,260
your personal preferences and 
your ideas and your goals that 

726
00:41:31,260 --> 00:41:34,580
are disassociated from the 
Kingdom, then you have to 

727
00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:38,500
actually evaluate your heart and
ask yourself, am I operating 

728
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:42,060
under selfishness here or my 
reasons for delay? 

729
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:46,350
Legitimate. 
But if you as a husband and wife

730
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:53,070
are wanting to devote even as a 
couple time to serve the Lord at

731
00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:57,390
a certain capacity or you're in 
a difficult place where you need

732
00:41:57,390 --> 00:42:01,350
to kind of put things in order 
before bringing a life into your

733
00:42:01,350 --> 00:42:05,430
home, but in your heart of 
hearts, you believe that God 

734
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:08,870
would want to expand your your 
home and to fill your quiver, 

735
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:13,650
that's a different mindset. 
That has to be, it has to be 

736
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:16,250
considered even by those who 
feel very strongly that we 

737
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:21,490
should allow God's sovereign 
ways in that beautiful act and 

738
00:42:21,490 --> 00:42:24,970
in our in our covenant with 
another person. 

739
00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:28,210
So I would say to to just sum 
everything up. 

740
00:42:28,210 --> 00:42:30,370
I would say that it's not 
illegal. 

741
00:42:31,610 --> 00:42:35,410
It's not ultimately wrong, but 
you have to examine your 

742
00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:39,270
attitude and your reasons why. 
If they are righteous, if they 

743
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:43,470
are God centered, then you 
shouldn't feel condemned by 

744
00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:47,070
planning when to have a child. 
That's how I would answer that. 

745
00:42:48,590 --> 00:42:49,710
Amen. 
Amen. 

746
00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:53,550
I love that that you know the 
world says children are a 

747
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:56,070
burden. 
It's the Christians who can 

748
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:59,430
stand out and say children, no 
matter when I have them or how 

749
00:42:59,430 --> 00:43:02,150
many I have their blessing from 
the Lord. 

750
00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:05,990
Healthy children, disabled 
children, adopted children. 

751
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:09,260
All a blessing from the Lord. 
That's what sets us apart. 

752
00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:12,260
Amen okay. 
Next question. 

753
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:17,940
So what does Jesus mean when he 
repeatedly uses the term Kingdom

754
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:22,980
of God in the Gospels? 
What must I do to enter it? 

755
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:25,060
Is it the same as going to 
heaven? 

756
00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:27,740
How will it arrive? 
Is it? 

757
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:30,780
Is it synonymous with the second
coming of Christ? 

758
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:33,440
There's a lot of. 
Some questions in there. 

759
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,400
Yeah, there were and and I think
there are more in the original 

760
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,800
question. 
So the best way to answer that, 

761
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,960
you read the Gospels. 
You see Jesus speaking about the

762
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,040
Kingdom of God, even the Kingdom
of heaven. 

763
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,400
I believe that there aren't any 
significant differences between 

764
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,880
the Kingdom of God and the 
Kingdom of heaven. 

765
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,200
Some would say so. 
I don't believe so. 

766
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,480
The King of God just speaks 
about the ruler of the Kingdom. 

767
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,400
The king of heaven just speaks 
about the Kingdom itself. 

768
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,960
Let's define some terms. 
What is a Kingdom? 

769
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,840
A Kingdom is any territory that 
is ruled by a monarch, a king. 

770
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:04,610
And so if you use that 
definition, then you can, you 

771
00:44:04,610 --> 00:44:09,450
can say the Kingdom of God. 
If God has created all things 

772
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:11,490
and he is sovereign over things,
he sustains all things. 

773
00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:13,130
And the Kingdom of God is really
everything. 

774
00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:17,650
It's the universe itself. 
And there are Old Testament 

775
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:20,090
texts that would prove that that
would back that up. 

776
00:44:20,850 --> 00:44:24,330
But you come into more problems 
when you read the Gospels and 

777
00:44:24,330 --> 00:44:27,690
you read things like repent. 
For the Kingdom of God is what 

778
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:30,460
it's at hand. 
Hold on. 

779
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:34,820
If a Kingdom is the region that 
a king rules over. 

780
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:37,220
God created all things. 
He rules over all things. 

781
00:44:37,420 --> 00:44:39,260
Surely then everything is his 
Kingdom. 

782
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:42,140
Then what does it mean that the 
Kingdom of God is at hand? 

783
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:43,620
It's near. 
It's approaching. 

784
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:48,340
Now we come to a more narrow and
more specific answer. 

785
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:52,180
Surely the Kingdom of God is 
about God's sovereign rule and 

786
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:57,820
reign, but more specifically his
sovereign rule and reign through

787
00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:01,010
the Messiah himself being that 
ruler. 

788
00:45:01,010 --> 00:45:05,770
In other words, the Kingdom of 
God is the Son of God ruling and

789
00:45:05,770 --> 00:45:10,770
reigning on the throne, and that
helps clarify many things. 

790
00:45:10,770 --> 00:45:15,290
So when Jesus and Luke 17 is 
confronted about the Kingdom of 

791
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:17,530
God, he says it's in the midst 
of you. 

792
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:20,730
What do you mean it's in the 
midst of you? 

793
00:45:21,610 --> 00:45:23,970
It's very simple because the 
King of the Kingdom was in the 

794
00:45:23,970 --> 00:45:31,010
midst of them, right? 
And Jesus gave examples and he 

795
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:36,650
gave demonstrations by invading 
into his world at the time, by 

796
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:40,530
demonstrating what it's like for
God to sovereignly rule through 

797
00:45:40,530 --> 00:45:43,530
the Messiah, by healing and 
delivering and forgiving and 

798
00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:46,730
restoring. 
And so there is an aspect of the

799
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:50,130
Kingdom of God that has been 
inaugurated. 

800
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:53,610
When Jesus came into the world, 
it was inaugurated, but the 

801
00:45:53,610 --> 00:45:57,430
fulfillment of it is not. 
Yet the consummation of the 

802
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:59,750
Kingdom is still to be awaited. 
So the same Jesus that the 

803
00:45:59,750 --> 00:46:02,350
Kingdom of God is in the midst 
of you is the same Jesus who 

804
00:46:02,350 --> 00:46:06,350
told believers to pray your 
Kingdom come, your will be done 

805
00:46:06,350 --> 00:46:10,270
on earth as it is in heaven. 
So we are still awaiting the 

806
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:14,710
consummation of the Kingdom 
where the Messiah, the Son of 

807
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:17,230
God, will enter into our world 
and establish a real throne in a

808
00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:21,950
real place for 1000 years. 
So then how do we relate to this

809
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:25,940
idea of the Kingdom of God now? 
Well, I think there's an 

810
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:29,580
invisible aspect of the Kingdom 
and then the physical aspect of 

811
00:46:29,580 --> 00:46:31,980
the Kingdom. 
We are enjoying and living under

812
00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:34,020
the invisible realities of the 
Kingdom of God. 

813
00:46:34,020 --> 00:46:36,140
Today. 
Jesus Christ is king. 

814
00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:37,700
He's sitting at the right hand 
of God. 

815
00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:42,140
We are citizens of his Kingdom. 
Now, I wouldn't say that the 

816
00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:45,700
church is the Kingdom of God. 
Some would make that mistake 

817
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,060
that the church is the Kingdom 
of God on earth. 

818
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:50,820
I wouldn't say that because you,
you start confusing things. 

819
00:46:51,580 --> 00:46:54,220
We're asking for the Kingdom of 
God to come. 

820
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:57,030
Jesus inaugurated the Kingdom 
when he came. 

821
00:46:58,590 --> 00:47:01,830
I would say that the church is 
like the embassy of the Kingdom 

822
00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:06,430
of God and that though we are 
citizens of the Kingdom, we are 

823
00:47:06,430 --> 00:47:09,990
ambassadors in a foreign land, 
persuading and appealing to 

824
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:15,550
people to to gain their blood 
bot citizenship so that they 

825
00:47:15,550 --> 00:47:18,550
would be prepared when the King 
does come and that they would be

826
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:19,990
part of his Kingdom. 
And through our lives and our 

827
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:24,760
example, our testimonies, we 
would show people to some extent

828
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,280
what it's like to be Kingdom 
citizens. 

829
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,120
Because he is king of our 
hearts, He rules in our hearts. 

830
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,520
And so there's an aspect of us 
that shows what it's like to 

831
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,840
have the governance of God over 
us. 

832
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,200
And as the Church, the Bride of 
Christ, we are waiting for the 

833
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,840
Kingdom to be ultimately 
manifest when Jesus Christ does 

834
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,170
return. 
So there is and aspect of us 

835
00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:48,010
being part of the Kingdom, 
Christ being king, we enjoy the 

836
00:47:48,010 --> 00:47:51,090
invisible spiritual realities of
that right righteousness, peace 

837
00:47:51,090 --> 00:47:54,570
and joy in the Holy Spirit. 
That's Romans 1417 where we hear

838
00:47:54,570 --> 00:47:56,330
about what the Kingdom of God is
about. 

839
00:47:57,530 --> 00:48:00,250
And so, yeah, Jesus inaugurates 
it. 

840
00:48:00,650 --> 00:48:04,370
We wait for it at the same time,
and we do our best to represent 

841
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:07,410
it to the extent that we can, to
convince people to be ready for 

842
00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:09,530
the king and to be citizens of 
his Kingdom. 

843
00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:12,570
Amen. 
Beautiful. 

844
00:48:14,420 --> 00:48:17,980
OK, this question might lead to 
a little bit of squirming. 

845
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:23,660
So a couple years ago the 
Barnard group did a survey and 

846
00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:29,420
discovered that Christians in 
America on average gave 3% of 

847
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:35,020
their income to churches or 
ministries, which then leads to 

848
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:38,180
this question. 
How much should Christians? 

849
00:48:38,220 --> 00:48:41,300
And this question uses tithe or 
you could use give. 

850
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,360
And then why do many people 
within the church not tithe? 

851
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:55,560
When we think about tithing, and
that word denotes a 10% right, a

852
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,560
portion of your income or your 
resources. 

853
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,800
That was an Old Testament 
principle, actually was a law, 

854
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,240
and it had an intention. 
There was a goal with the tithe 

855
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:06,480
in the old covenant. 
It was this. 

856
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:12,230
The Levites had no inheritance. 
The the tribe of Levi had no 

857
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:15,030
land to their name. 
They were supposed to be devoted

858
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:19,030
to the the House of God. 
God was their inheritance and so

859
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:21,390
they did not have the same 
access to the resources as the 

860
00:49:21,390 --> 00:49:23,750
others tribes that. 
So what did God do in order to 

861
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:26,670
support the Levites? 
He called for a tie from the 

862
00:49:26,670 --> 00:49:30,350
other tribes and it actually 
mounts up to more than 10%. 

863
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:37,470
If you do the calculations it's 
more right 2023% even some would

864
00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:42,940
argue, and the idea is this, the
the tribes would then through 

865
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:47,820
their tides support the Levites 
as they devoted their their time

866
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:52,380
and their energy and their lives
really to supervising and to 

867
00:49:52,380 --> 00:49:55,060
serving in the temple. 
It was to support the Levites. 

868
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:58,900
Now when you come to the New 
Covenant, that idea of the 

869
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:03,140
people of God contributing in 
order to help those who have 

870
00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:05,540
devoted their lives to fulltime 
ministry is still there. 

871
00:50:06,180 --> 00:50:12,170
In fact, in First critin 9, Paul
goes back to the priesthood to 

872
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:18,450
make a case for the the the 
fulltime minister being taken 

873
00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:22,130
care of through his gospel work.
He should be compensated through

874
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:26,010
his gospel work. 
The difference though, is how 

875
00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:29,170
that giving should occur. 
The goal is still the same 

876
00:50:29,170 --> 00:50:32,450
right? 
You have a people who work and 

877
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:34,770
they do other things, and they 
benefit spiritually from those 

878
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:37,370
who have given their lives over 
to serving in the ministry. 

879
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:42,630
But the means and the way we 
approach that is different. 

880
00:50:42,670 --> 00:50:45,950
There was an actual number given
in the old, and I'm sure most of

881
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:47,950
you in here know what the 
standard is. 

882
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:49,990
According to the New Testament, 
what's the standard? 

883
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:56,750
Whatever is on your heart? 
2nd Corinthians 9 Second 

884
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:59,550
Corinthians 9 tells us very 
plainly in verse seven. 

885
00:50:59,550 --> 00:51:02,550
Each one must give as he decided
in his heart. 

886
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:06,510
That is the clearest instruction
that we are given concerning how

887
00:51:06,510 --> 00:51:11,150
we should give. 
Here's where I would like to 

888
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:12,950
challenge people, though, and 
this challenged me. 

889
00:51:14,190 --> 00:51:21,430
If hearing that you and I go 
good, I'm glad I don't have to 

890
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:23,190
give as much as they gave in the
Old Testament. 

891
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:25,910
Thank God. 
I don't think we're thinking 

892
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:30,430
right about giving if we're 
thinking we're in the new 

893
00:51:30,430 --> 00:51:33,950
covenant, so it's less 
burdensome to us now because we 

894
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:35,710
don't have to give as much as 
they had to give. 

895
00:51:35,710 --> 00:51:37,430
We're not thinking right about 
giving. 

896
00:51:38,910 --> 00:51:40,670
So that's Second Corinthians 9 
seven, right? 

897
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:43,510
When you go to 2nd Corinthians 8
seven, Paul speaking to the same

898
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:46,230
people about the same thing, he 
says something that every single

899
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:49,190
time I read it convicts me every
single time to this day. 

900
00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:53,030
Let me read it to you, he says 
here in verse 7. 

901
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:56,790
But as you excel in everything, 
he's speaking to the Corinthians

902
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,200
in faith, in speech, in 
knowledge, in all earnestness, 

903
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:04,120
and in our love for you or some 
transition, say, in your love 

904
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,240
for us. 
See that you excel in this act 

905
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:11,600
of grace also. 
What act of grace is he speaking

906
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,440
about? 
Giving. 

907
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,000
He's calling the Corinthian 
Christians to excel in giving, 

908
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,400
to be excellent in giving. 
Every time I read that, it 

909
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,760
convicts me. 
So one preacher said something 

910
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:30,070
and it just a light bulb went 
off. 

911
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:35,710
He said if we are we claim to 
believe that we are under a 

912
00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:40,430
better covenant, that Christ 
makes everything better, 

913
00:52:41,230 --> 00:52:43,030
shouldn't that then demand of 
us? 

914
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:48,470
Better giving, not less giving, 
the better giving, more 

915
00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:51,550
rejoicing in our giving, more 
excitement in our giving. 

916
00:52:51,550 --> 00:52:53,550
More intentionality in our 
giving. 

917
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,120
If our covenant is better, 
shouldn't our giving be better? 

918
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:06,160
I heard that convicted me. 
And so we we should examine our 

919
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,040
hearts and we should think to 
ourselves constantly. 

920
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,640
What do I really believe about 
the gospel, about the local 

921
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,400
church and I'm part of about the
value that I received from the 

922
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,320
ministries that I am connected 
to And whether we like to 

923
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,960
acknowledge it or not, and this 
is for all of us are giving to 

924
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,840
some extent is an indication of 
that. 

925
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,440
It is. 
It's an indication of where our 

926
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,000
value is, where your heart is 
there, your treasure will be 

927
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,840
also. 
That's what Jesus said, right. 

928
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,200
So if you want to know where 
your heart is, what he's saying 

929
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,240
by that is look where your money
goes. 

930
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,880
And that is not to say that we 
should not spend money on 

931
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,080
vacations or good food and 
events. 

932
00:53:51,070 --> 00:53:54,910
But if in our scope of giving 
and our scope of how we manage 

933
00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:59,790
and plan our money, investing in
the proclamation, the 

934
00:53:59,790 --> 00:54:02,830
advancement, the sustaining of 
the gospel and the ministries 

935
00:54:02,830 --> 00:54:05,310
that we are part of is not 
there, then we have to ask 

936
00:54:05,310 --> 00:54:08,310
yourself, how much do I really 
believe that I am under a better

937
00:54:08,310 --> 00:54:12,990
covenant and that I really, I 
really do want this to continue 

938
00:54:12,990 --> 00:54:14,550
and excel? 
Because whether we want to 

939
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:17,350
acknowledge it or not, money is 
a real part of what we do. 

940
00:54:17,470 --> 00:54:19,470
It's it's, it's even here. 
Do we put our trust in the 

941
00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:20,230
money? 
No. 

942
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,800
Do we need money? 
In the sense of if we don't have

943
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,120
money, we can't do the work of 
God. 

944
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,800
No, God is our ultimate source. 
But giving is not so much about 

945
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,720
what God needs because he 
doesn't need anything. 

946
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,720
It's more for us, and you've 
said this before, it's an 

947
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:40,600
invitation for us to participate
in something, and it even trains

948
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,680
us to be reminded that life is 
beyond what I spend, what I save

949
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,320
up for here. 
I want to invest in eternal 

950
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,080
things and for things that will 
exceed my lifetime and exceed 

951
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,040
this world. 
So I would say look at your 

952
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,560
heart and and even look at your 
heart and ask the Lord to make 

953
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,160
you excited about it. 
Not to under compulsion of or 

954
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,680
merely under duty, but to to to 
operate under the revelation 

955
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,800
that this is a better covenant. 
I want to as a result of that 

956
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,570
worship and excel in this grace 
also, and so let it come from 

957
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:18,770
that place. 
And the Holy Spirit will help 

958
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:19,530
us. 
He will. 

959
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:25,330
Yeah, I'm wondering, as you 
know, let's let's say there's a,

960
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:28,410
a Christian out there who really
wants to do the right thing by 

961
00:55:28,410 --> 00:55:30,370
the Lord, but they don't know 
how. 

962
00:55:30,370 --> 00:55:36,250
Do you have any practical advice
on giving a percentage you think

963
00:55:36,250 --> 00:55:38,650
that's good? 
Just an established percentage 

964
00:55:38,650 --> 00:55:43,970
right from the beginning or a 
regularity, just just to help 

965
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:46,800
people in that? 
Yeah, that's a good question. 

966
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,880
Again, I think Paul's 
instruction here is clear. 

967
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,840
It will be subjective. 
Your income, your family 

968
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,640
situation, the season that 
you're in right now, my demand 

969
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,240
of you something else to the 
next person, right. 

970
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,320
And giving should never put a 
strain on you. 

971
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,080
It should never cause you to put
yourself in a compromising 

972
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,430
situation at all. 
And so I would just say have 

973
00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:13,470
conversations. 
If you're married, have 

974
00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:15,750
conversations with your spouse 
about it, pray about it. 

975
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:17,750
Ask Lord, Lord, what is it that 
you would want us to give 

976
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:19,950
regularly? 
Would you want us to give 

977
00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:23,350
periodically? 
How is it that you would want us

978
00:56:23,350 --> 00:56:25,990
to do this? 
And let me also add this. 

979
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:29,830
I'm not one to just encourage 
people to throw their money at 

980
00:56:29,830 --> 00:56:31,590
anything, even in the name of 
ministry. 

981
00:56:32,110 --> 00:56:35,990
Even if somebody, it doesn't 
matter because I know there are 

982
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:41,030
a lot of sketchy things out 
there and you're not supposed to

983
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,470
back up everything that comes 
your way just because it's been 

984
00:56:43,470 --> 00:56:45,990
presented to you. 
You should be careful where your

985
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:47,190
money goes. 
You should, you should be able 

986
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:50,230
to investigate and say, I trust 
this leadership, I trust this, 

987
00:56:50,350 --> 00:56:53,350
their vision. 
I see how biblical they are. 

988
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:56,510
And so just to put anything in 
an offering plate to say that 

989
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:58,550
you give, I don't think the 
Bible even encourages that kind 

990
00:56:58,550 --> 00:56:59,590
of giving. 
Even if you're giving to a 

991
00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:01,710
ministry, you have to be 
careful. 

992
00:57:01,710 --> 00:57:03,710
You have to be wise. 
You have to be steward of the 

993
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:07,030
resources that you have been 
granted by the Lord and so be 

994
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:10,990
careful, be strategic, look into
things, ask questions. 

995
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:14,150
And that's why even here we want
to be as transparent as possible

996
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:16,070
with our finances. 
That's why in our members 

997
00:57:16,070 --> 00:57:18,910
meeting we show you everything. 
And if you have even deeper 

998
00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:20,750
questions, you have every right 
to come to our leadership and 

999
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:24,070
say, hey, we want because it's 
we don't see it as our money. 

1000
00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:27,790
This is God's money and This Is 
Us as as a family coming 

1001
00:57:27,790 --> 00:57:30,910
together to put in our resources
because we have this collective 

1002
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:34,110
goal of advancing the Kingdom 
and advancing the Kingdom. 

1003
00:57:34,510 --> 00:57:38,540
Looks like at this point of our 
ministry saving up for a 

1004
00:57:38,540 --> 00:57:41,140
building because we want a place
to host the ministries that we 

1005
00:57:41,140 --> 00:57:44,220
are enjoying here and to make 
room for more people to enjoy it

1006
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:46,620
as well. 
So yeah, don't don't be naive 

1007
00:57:46,620 --> 00:57:49,100
and you're giving and I'll give 
you proof of that when you go to

1008
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:51,540
first time V5. 
There was a whole system 

1009
00:57:51,540 --> 00:57:54,460
established even back then about
which widow should receive 

1010
00:57:54,460 --> 00:57:58,260
financial support. 
Paul didn't believe this idea 

1011
00:57:58,420 --> 00:58:00,340
where people can come in and 
just say I'm in need. 

1012
00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:02,780
I'm a widow. 
He goes, OK, who are you? 

1013
00:58:02,820 --> 00:58:04,860
How have you served the Saints? 
How old are you? 

1014
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:07,990
There's this whole list of 
qualifications that Paul had in 

1015
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:09,550
mind about where the money 
should go. 

1016
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:15,990
So not just anybody who comes in
with rags or with a need demands

1017
00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:19,990
the priority of our resources. 
We have to be very, very careful

1018
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:21,630
where that goes because people 
will manipulate. 

1019
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:24,790
People are evil. 
People know the generosity and 

1020
00:58:24,790 --> 00:58:26,790
the charity of Christians that 
will take advantage of that. 

1021
00:58:27,710 --> 00:58:30,110
And so we have to be very, very 
cautious and wise and how we 

1022
00:58:30,190 --> 00:58:31,870
approach that. 
And you should be just the same 

1023
00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:35,460
with your giving. 
Great. 

1024
00:58:36,580 --> 00:58:39,500
So we have several more. 
How many more do you think we, I

1025
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:44,740
don't know, how you guys doing? 
All right, keep going. 

1026
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:49,380
In a premillennial view, some 
eschatology here. 

1027
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:53,020
Now the Millennium includes a 
new temple with the 

1028
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:55,940
reinstatement of animal 
sacrifices. 

1029
00:58:56,380 --> 00:59:01,380
Skeptics bring up 4 flaws with 
that delegitimately 

1030
00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:04,740
delegitimatize this view from 
being a viable. 

1031
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:08,830
Based being viable based mainly 
on the sacrifices with some 

1032
00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:13,830
attention to the temple itself. 
And then they this person lists 

1033
00:59:13,870 --> 00:59:15,830
some of the objections. 
Yeah, we can hear them. 

1034
00:59:15,830 --> 00:59:17,830
I think it's good. 
Well can we just pause and does 

1035
00:59:17,830 --> 00:59:20,670
that already on catching on to 
what was just said. 

1036
00:59:21,150 --> 00:59:26,910
So there is a belief that during
the millennial reign of Christ, 

1037
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:29,230
after the tribulation period, 
when Christ does return 

1038
00:59:29,230 --> 00:59:33,380
physically and establishes his 
Kingdom on earth, many who hold 

1039
00:59:33,380 --> 00:59:38,460
to that view also would say that
there will be a temple during 

1040
00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:43,380
the Millennium and that temple 
will actually have a function 

1041
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:47,940
and in that function there will 
be a priesthood and there will 

1042
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:53,220
be animal sacrifices. 
And so the there are those who 

1043
00:59:53,220 --> 00:59:55,860
obviously oppose that view and 
we're about to hear that main 

1044
00:59:55,860 --> 01:00:00,260
objections to that. 
What's the purpose of a temple? 

1045
01:00:00,770 --> 01:00:04,170
Being reintroduced when Jesus 
Christ comes to rule. 

1046
01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:06,330
And so we all understand the 
question so far. 

1047
01:00:06,610 --> 01:00:08,370
So now we're going to hear the 
main objections, and they're 

1048
01:00:08,370 --> 01:00:10,250
they're good objections, but 
we'll we'll address them. 

1049
01:00:10,570 --> 01:00:15,370
Yeah, the first one is why do we
have that If Christ Atonement 

1050
01:00:15,370 --> 01:00:21,930
being once and for all time was 
already accomplished, well, why 

1051
01:00:21,930 --> 01:00:24,010
don't we read all of them and it
maybe we'll just yeah. 

1052
01:00:24,050 --> 01:00:26,370
Okay. 
So Christ Atonement being once 

1053
01:00:26,370 --> 01:00:28,410
and for all time. 
That's the first objection. 

1054
01:00:28,410 --> 01:00:31,740
The second one is. 
God's displeasure with animal 

1055
01:00:31,740 --> 01:00:36,540
sacrifices. 3 God's 
establishment of his bride as 

1056
01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:39,580
the temple removes the 
possibility of a physical 

1057
01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:43,180
temple. 
And then lastly, God instituted 

1058
01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:47,100
a proper way of remembrance 
known as communion. 

1059
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:50,140
Great question. 
I love this question. 

1060
01:00:50,180 --> 01:00:54,260
It's a deep question. 
The idea of a temple being 

1061
01:00:55,890 --> 01:00:58,730
erected during the Millennium 
period is not a random thought. 

1062
01:00:58,730 --> 01:01:00,010
It comes from the book of 
Ezekiel. 

1063
01:01:00,810 --> 01:01:03,970
So when if you, if you've read 
Ezekiel, you know that Ezekiel 

1064
01:01:03,970 --> 01:01:10,450
40 to 48 is dedicated to the 
detailed blueprint of this 

1065
01:01:10,450 --> 01:01:13,650
glorious temple. 
And it's so detailed. 

1066
01:01:13,650 --> 01:01:15,530
I mean, there's 8 chapters 
dedicated to it. 

1067
01:01:15,570 --> 01:01:18,410
And within those chapters you 
have even instructions of what 

1068
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:20,450
is to be happening in that 
temple. 

1069
01:01:22,450 --> 01:01:25,330
For those who would not hold to 
that because of these arguments 

1070
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:27,830
that there will be a physical 
temple during the million and 

1071
01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:31,110
they would say about Ezeka 40 to
40, that's it's allegorical, 

1072
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:35,670
it's speaking about the church, 
it's speaking about believers. 

1073
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:38,510
It's speaking about Christ. 
In some regard. 

1074
01:01:38,510 --> 01:01:42,070
It's it can't be literal because
it just doesn't make sense in 

1075
01:01:42,070 --> 01:01:44,670
light of what Christ will 
accomplish and what he has 

1076
01:01:44,670 --> 01:01:48,870
instituted in the New Covenant. 
And so they would say from 40 to

1077
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:52,950
48, it's it's purely 
allegorical, it's symbolic and 

1078
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:55,310
it's meeting. 
It's not to be taken literally. 

1079
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,280
I am among those who would 
believe that Ezekiel's temple is

1080
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:06,560
literal for the simple reason 
that it is given to us to be 

1081
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,360
understood literally. 
And so when you read Ezekiel 40 

1082
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,280
to 48, there's something 
interesting that pops up of an 

1083
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,000
Ezekiel 43, verse 10. 
I want to read it to you. 

1084
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,480
And it says here, As for you, 
son of man, describe to the 

1085
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,970
House of Israel the Temple, that
they may be ashamed of their 

1086
01:02:24,970 --> 01:02:28,090
iniquities, and they shall 
measure the plan. 

1087
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:31,690
And if they are ashamed of all 
that they have done, make known 

1088
01:02:31,690 --> 01:02:34,250
to them the design of the 
temple, its arrangements, its 

1089
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:36,890
exits and its entrances, that is
its whole design. 

1090
01:02:37,090 --> 01:02:40,250
And make known to them as well 
all its statutes and its whole 

1091
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:43,370
design and all its laws, and 
write it down in their site, so 

1092
01:02:43,570 --> 01:02:45,930
that they may observe all its 
laws and all its statutes and 

1093
01:02:45,930 --> 01:02:49,810
carry them out. 
That can't. 

1094
01:02:50,650 --> 01:02:52,930
That can't open up the 
possibility that what you see in

1095
01:02:52,930 --> 01:02:56,730
Ezekiel 40 to 48, then, is 
allegorical, because Ezekiel was

1096
01:02:56,730 --> 01:03:01,170
instructed to take the actual 
blueprint and to read it out 

1097
01:03:01,170 --> 01:03:04,970
loud, and to make it known to 
the people of Israel to inspire 

1098
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:08,770
holiness, to forsake their sin. 
And say we want that temple, we 

1099
01:03:08,770 --> 01:03:14,140
want that kind of glory. 
So if we, because of those 

1100
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:17,260
arguments, want to dismiss the 
literal interpretation, I think 

1101
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:19,900
an allegorical interpretation 
opens you up to more questions 

1102
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:24,940
than actual answers personally. 
So then what do we do with this?

1103
01:03:24,940 --> 01:03:29,020
Because I think the burden is 
not so much on those who would 

1104
01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:32,020
say that this is a reality. 
I believe the burden here based 

1105
01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:36,260
on those objections is, OK, 
fine, it is a literal what's the

1106
01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:38,860
purpose of it? 
Then how do we understand its 

1107
01:03:38,860 --> 01:03:41,240
function? 
And how do we reconcile that 

1108
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,760
with our faith and our covenant?
And that's where I understand 

1109
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,960
where the tension is. 
There are many things to say 

1110
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:53,240
about this, and I think the main
problem that people have is the 

1111
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,760
idea of the sacrifices more than
an actual temple, it's the 

1112
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:02,800
sacrifices themselves. 
And here's what I would say to 

1113
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,040
somebody who would then, if you 
first can say confidently, okay,

1114
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,800
this is a real temple. 
Ask yourself this question. 

1115
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,120
Has this temple ever been 
realized in history? 

1116
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,840
No, it hasn't. 
It wasn't recognized in 

1117
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,240
Solomon's temple. 
It wasn't recognized in Ezra's 

1118
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:18,920
temple. 
It wasn't recognized in Herod's 

1119
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,920
temple. 
This kind of manifestation has 

1120
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,080
never been known. 
More than that, when you read 

1121
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,960
Revelation 21, you will see 
explicitly that there will be no

1122
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,760
temple. 
We're told that in Revelation 21

1123
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,920
there will be no temple. 
But that's speaking about the 

1124
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,520
eternal age, because Christ will
be there, right? 

1125
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,560
We don't need a temple. 
So then we got to fit this 

1126
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,120
somewhere. 
If it's never been recognized 

1127
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,400
before, if it's not going to be 
realized in the eternal age, 

1128
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,960
then what What do we have left? 
The Millennium? 

1129
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,520
The tribulation? 
There will be a temple, right? 

1130
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,440
Paul alludes to that when he 
speaks about the desecration of 

1131
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,880
the temple and 2nd 
Thessalonians. 

1132
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,160
But the shifts that will happen 
geographically, the shifts that 

1133
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,850
will happen in the world might 
demand that there would be a new

1134
01:05:05,850 --> 01:05:08,810
temple and that would fulfill 
what is Ezekiel's prophesying. 

1135
01:05:10,770 --> 01:05:14,650
So, OK, it's there. 
So then why the sacrifices? 

1136
01:05:14,650 --> 01:05:17,450
Why all these different things 
that seem to contradict what 

1137
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:20,210
Christ has done? 
And here's the thing that I 

1138
01:05:20,210 --> 01:05:23,090
would challenge you with, and 
this would maybe encourage you 

1139
01:05:23,090 --> 01:05:28,370
to do further Bible study. 
When you look at even Paul as an

1140
01:05:28,370 --> 01:05:30,010
example, maybe you've never 
thought about this. 

1141
01:05:30,010 --> 01:05:32,770
If you read Acts carefully, 
there is an instance where Paul 

1142
01:05:32,770 --> 01:05:40,950
himself actually post experience
with Christ, participates in 

1143
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:43,550
some of the rituals and 
ceremonies in the temple of his 

1144
01:05:43,550 --> 01:05:45,790
day. 
Does anybody know where where 

1145
01:05:45,790 --> 01:05:48,030
I'm thinking, anybody know what 
I'm referring to? 

1146
01:05:48,790 --> 01:05:50,430
I mean, Dan, you've preached to 
the Acts, right? 

1147
01:05:51,030 --> 01:05:55,590
So in Acts 21 you read of James 
and you can turn there because I

1148
01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:56,710
want you to see this and I want 
to. 

1149
01:05:56,790 --> 01:05:58,510
There's a reason why I'm 
bringing this to your attention.

1150
01:05:58,990 --> 01:06:03,680
In Acts 21 you read of James 
telling Paul and encouraging 

1151
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,240
Paul to take four men who were 
under a vow. 

1152
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,720
And it's believed that the vow 
was a Nas right vow and to go to

1153
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:18,400
the temple and to have them 
purified and to actually pay for

1154
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,920
their expenses concerning the 
purification procedure. 

1155
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,600
So I want to read that to you. 
Verse 23 do. 

1156
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,880
Therefore what we tell you. 
He's speaking to Paul. 

1157
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,180
Here we have four men who are 
under a vow. 

1158
01:06:31,180 --> 01:06:33,820
Take these men and purify 
yourself along with them and pay

1159
01:06:33,820 --> 01:06:36,540
their expenses so that they may 
shave their heads. 

1160
01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:39,780
Thus all will know that there is
nothing in what they have been 

1161
01:06:39,780 --> 01:06:42,660
told about you, but that you 
yourself also live in observance

1162
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:44,020
of the law Here Is James 
concerned? 

1163
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:45,820
There were all of these rumors 
that Paul was going around 

1164
01:06:45,820 --> 01:06:50,740
preaching that he is anti law, 
he's anti Torah, that he wants 

1165
01:06:50,740 --> 01:06:55,260
to dismiss and cancel all that 
the covenants that the Jews have

1166
01:06:55,260 --> 01:06:57,750
known. 
He he just now is presenting 

1167
01:06:57,750 --> 01:07:00,830
this new concept altogether. 
Dismissing that and James like 

1168
01:07:00,990 --> 01:07:03,590
for the sake of your testimony 
would you just go ahead and do 

1169
01:07:03,590 --> 01:07:09,670
this to prove that that is not 
the case And Paul agrees he 

1170
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:11,070
agrees. 
You read in verse 26. 

1171
01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:14,030
Then Paul took the men and the 
next day he purified himself 

1172
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:18,190
along with them and went into 
the temple giving notice when 

1173
01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:20,390
the days of purifications would 
be fulfilled and the offering 

1174
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:23,710
presented for each one of them. 
Now if you look at if this is an

1175
01:07:23,710 --> 01:07:25,920
ass right vow. 
If you go to numbers and you 

1176
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,720
look at the whole protocol for 
Nazarete, included in the 

1177
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,600
Nazarete vow was not just to 
extend your hair length but was 

1178
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:38,160
also animal sacrifices. 
So what do we have here? 

1179
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:42,840
We have Paul post salvation, 
teaching others about the 

1180
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,920
sufficiency of Christ's 
sacrifice, willing to partner 

1181
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:52,640
with men who underwent A 
ceremonial law in the temple. 

1182
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:55,350
You know what some people say 
about Paul? 

1183
01:07:55,790 --> 01:08:00,350
He was wrong. 
Paul was actually in sin, that 

1184
01:08:00,350 --> 01:08:03,710
he caved under the pressure and 
he did something that he 

1185
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:07,190
shouldn't have done. 
You know why I have problems 

1186
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:09,670
with that? 
Because if Paul is wrong, James 

1187
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:12,230
is wrong too, because he's the 
one who told him to do it. 

1188
01:08:12,990 --> 01:08:16,950
And if Paul is wrong, then why? 
Later in a couple of chapters, 

1189
01:08:17,270 --> 01:08:20,870
when he gives testimony of what 
happened, he he speaks about 

1190
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:25,399
this incident and there is no 
sense that he's in the wrong for

1191
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:27,479
doing what he did. 
He speaks about him coming into 

1192
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,880
the temple. 
He's, he's disclosing the event 

1193
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,600
that led to his arrest, and he 
speaks about this moment. 

1194
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,479
So then what do we what do we 
have here? 

1195
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:39,040
I believe we have Paul, who is 
able to, with a clear conscience

1196
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,319
to some level, participate in 
these rituals and ceremonies 

1197
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,479
because in his mind, he did not 
see redemptive qualities or 

1198
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,560
properties in his participation 
of it. 

1199
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,560
He does the same thing with 
Timothy with circumcision, 

1200
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,540
right? 
So here's what I want to just 

1201
01:08:54,540 --> 01:08:57,859
propose as a possibility. 
If you see this example with 

1202
01:08:57,859 --> 01:09:02,939
Paul in the temple, partnering 
with some of these Jewish 

1203
01:09:02,939 --> 01:09:08,460
believers in their participation
of the rituals of the Levitical 

1204
01:09:08,460 --> 01:09:14,660
law, is it so hard to believe 
that in the Millennium there 

1205
01:09:14,660 --> 01:09:19,580
will be some of this, not to 
atone for sin, not to undermine 

1206
01:09:19,580 --> 01:09:23,120
the blood of Jesus Christ, but 
for other purposes? 

1207
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,920
That's all I'm suggesting to 
you, right? 

1208
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:28,560
There is no way that Paul 
approached this because he 

1209
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,160
thought that in doing so he 
would have some of his sins 

1210
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:35,600
cleansed. 
And when you, when you think 

1211
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,000
about it that way, then it opens
up the the possibility that in 

1212
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,960
the Millennium, because where 
people feel strongly about this 

1213
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,240
is you're actually blaspheming 
Christ by thinking that you're 

1214
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,160
reintroducing the Mosaic system.
When Christ is ruling A 

1215
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,600
reigning, he's the fulfillment 
of it. 

1216
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,080
Which I would also say, if you 
read Ezekiel's instructions from

1217
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:58,200
40 to 48 very carefully, you 
don't have a reintroduction to 

1218
01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:59,960
the Mosaic system. 
You know why? 

1219
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,840
Because a lot of those feasts 
are not reintroduced, including 

1220
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:08,360
the Day of Atonement. 
Some of the furnishings that 

1221
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,560
were there in Solomon's Temple 
in the Tabernacle are not there 

1222
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,600
again. 
So we're not reintroducing the 

1223
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,200
Levitical law in the Millennium.
We're not doing that. 

1224
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,970
So we got to eliminate that. 
And though we may not know the 

1225
01:10:21,970 --> 01:10:24,810
full answers to why those things
will be in practice, we can be 

1226
01:10:24,810 --> 01:10:28,050
rest assured that Christ will be
honored and glorified His 

1227
01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:32,290
sacrifices atonement will reign 
triumphant as the reason why we 

1228
01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:35,330
glory in him, and that nothing 
will interfere or conflict with 

1229
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:36,850
that. 
I mean Paul didn't even in Acts 

1230
01:10:36,850 --> 01:10:39,410
21. 
As a born again believer, I hope

1231
01:10:39,410 --> 01:10:41,450
that makes sense. 
At least entertain the 

1232
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:44,170
possibility with the evidences 
throughout scripture. 

1233
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:47,050
Yeah. 
Thank you. 

1234
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:51,180
Alright, this next question, I 
love the heart behind this 

1235
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:53,140
question. 
I don't know who submitted it, 

1236
01:10:53,140 --> 01:10:57,020
but it it it really speaks to me
as far as the the really 

1237
01:10:57,020 --> 01:11:00,820
concerned this person has. 
So when we look around the 

1238
01:11:00,820 --> 01:11:03,100
landscape of the church today, 
whether it be different 

1239
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:06,340
churches, denominations, 
organizations, Christian 

1240
01:11:06,340 --> 01:11:09,940
colleges and seminaries, some 
pastors and ministry leaders, 

1241
01:11:09,940 --> 01:11:15,300
even family members, we often 
see more secular and cultural 

1242
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:17,980
ideologies permeating how people
think. 

1243
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:22,420
And what they practice and 
preach rather than the truth and

1244
01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:25,900
the gospel of Christ. 
Here's the question, How do we 

1245
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:28,620
best speak out against this when
we see it? 

1246
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:31,260
I know every situation is 
different, but I wrestle at 

1247
01:11:31,260 --> 01:11:36,060
times with whether my discontent
is of a holy indignation and 

1248
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:40,420
from a place of true love and 
zeal for the Lord and others, or

1249
01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:44,700
if I am being self-righteous or 
judgmental in a way that is not 

1250
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:47,800
pleasing to God. 
Do you have any advice on how to

1251
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,360
react with practical wisdom in 
these situations with others, 

1252
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,680
whether it be at home, work or 
social media? 

1253
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,640
When should we speak out and 
when should we stay silent? 

1254
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,880
Such a good question, and in 
some way it might tie into the 

1255
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,480
first question of this session, 
though not entirely. 

1256
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:14,090
But I would first say to this 
person's heart that you 

1257
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:17,450
shouldn't condemn yourself for 
feeling this way about clear 

1258
01:12:18,570 --> 01:12:23,570
opposition and contradiction to 
the word of God being done in 

1259
01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:26,210
the name of Christ and among 
those who claim to be leaders 

1260
01:12:26,210 --> 01:12:30,130
for Christ. 
And I would say, hone that, own 

1261
01:12:30,130 --> 01:12:33,570
that, praise God for that, and 
ask God to harness your feelings

1262
01:12:33,570 --> 01:12:36,170
so that it wouldn't cause you to
act in unrighteousness. 

1263
01:12:36,730 --> 01:12:39,690
But even the disciples, when 
they saw Jesus enter into that 

1264
01:12:39,690 --> 01:12:42,690
temple in John Chapter 2 and 
overthrew the money changers, 

1265
01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:47,390
they saw that zeal and they 
realized zeal for his house will

1266
01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:50,910
consume him. 
So there is a righteous zeal 

1267
01:12:50,910 --> 01:12:53,350
that we should feel when it 
comes to the purity and the 

1268
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:56,430
integrity and the honor that God
should have in his house and 

1269
01:12:56,430 --> 01:12:59,270
with his word. 
And so if you feel that passion,

1270
01:12:59,710 --> 01:13:03,990
I I applaud that because there's
some people who care less and 

1271
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:05,910
they're so consumed with their 
own lives that they're not 

1272
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:10,630
consumed with the glory of God. 
And so I applaud that that heart

1273
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:15,300
for the honor of the Lord Jesus.
But the question is followed up 

1274
01:13:15,300 --> 01:13:17,740
with, how do I express this? 
How do I deal with this? 

1275
01:13:18,020 --> 01:13:21,900
And that indicates that there 
are people in this person's life

1276
01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:26,100
that are proposing this, that 
are preaching this, that are 

1277
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:27,700
sharing this, that are teaching 
this. 

1278
01:13:28,340 --> 01:13:30,700
And so I would say, as he said 
and and he's on to something, 

1279
01:13:30,700 --> 01:13:33,220
that the format will demand a 
different approach, right. 

1280
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:36,540
And so from a preaching 
standpoint, we got to deal with 

1281
01:13:36,540 --> 01:13:39,500
it as clearly and as 
authoritatively as possible, to 

1282
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:42,660
call it out for what it is and 
to denounce it and to condemn 

1283
01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:48,460
it, and to be very direct. 
But that's not the case for many

1284
01:13:48,460 --> 01:13:51,220
believers. 
So what the What should they do?

1285
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:54,900
I would say, in hearing that, 
depending on the extent of your 

1286
01:13:54,900 --> 01:13:56,620
relationship with other 
believers who might be 

1287
01:13:56,620 --> 01:13:59,020
entertaining these ideologies 
and these philosophies and these

1288
01:13:59,020 --> 01:14:02,540
wrong doctrines have 
conversations with them, right? 

1289
01:14:02,540 --> 01:14:04,820
And so we're told there in 
Second Timothy how the Lord's 

1290
01:14:04,820 --> 01:14:06,940
servant should be. 
And that includes being gentle 

1291
01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:10,740
and patiently enduring evil and 
being able to interact with 

1292
01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:14,100
people in a certain way so that 
you would win them and that they

1293
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:16,620
would come to their senses and 
escape the snare of Satan. 

1294
01:14:17,100 --> 01:14:21,580
So there is a call for 
conversational and respectable 

1295
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:25,420
dialogue. 
And the best way to do it again,

1296
01:14:25,420 --> 01:14:29,580
is from Jesus's method to ask 
questions to say you know, or to

1297
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:32,060
invite somebody out to say, you 
know, I saw these things that 

1298
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:34,020
you're posting and I heard that 
you believe these things. 

1299
01:14:34,510 --> 01:14:36,590
I'm curious, no more Can I ask 
more about that? 

1300
01:14:36,590 --> 01:14:38,630
And maybe it's a colleague from 
work where you take a lunch 

1301
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:42,030
break and you have that time or 
if it's a family member, but you

1302
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:44,430
want to have a conversation with
them because those people 

1303
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:47,710
assumingly believe that this, 
whatever they're believing in is

1304
01:14:47,710 --> 01:14:50,030
of God, is God's will, God's 
word. 

1305
01:14:50,030 --> 01:14:52,670
And they're interpreting things.
So have that conversation with 

1306
01:14:52,670 --> 01:14:57,030
them and hear them out and then 
deal with it accordingly and 

1307
01:14:57,110 --> 01:15:00,060
guide them. 
Usually when you give people a 

1308
01:15:00,060 --> 01:15:01,900
chance to speak, they tend to 
give you a chance. 

1309
01:15:01,900 --> 01:15:04,420
And I know some people are not 
like that, but some most are. 

1310
01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:08,940
And have those conversations and
trust that those conversations 

1311
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:12,820
can be fruitful and that and and
here's what I always say, don't 

1312
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:15,420
feel like you have to win that 
person in the first conversation

1313
01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:17,060
or that first kind of 
interaction. 

1314
01:15:17,060 --> 01:15:20,180
Believe that the seed that you 
plant can actually be enough for

1315
01:15:20,180 --> 01:15:21,860
them to wrestle with what they 
hold to. 

1316
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:25,890
So be patient, be patient with 
them, and I would say just ask 

1317
01:15:25,890 --> 01:15:28,410
God to continue to fuel that 
passion in your heart and for 

1318
01:15:28,410 --> 01:15:31,970
platforms, be able to just 
testify if His truth and for 

1319
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:34,250
divine appointments with people 
to hear what you have to say 

1320
01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:36,570
concerning the truth. 
And I'm sure the Lord will honor

1321
01:15:36,570 --> 01:15:38,690
that in a day of age where 
people are very afraid to speak 

1322
01:15:38,690 --> 01:15:39,770
out what God has to say. 
So. 

1323
01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:43,810
Wonderful. 
All right, this is the last 

1324
01:15:43,810 --> 01:15:47,090
question. 
You know, I don't think it's any

1325
01:15:47,090 --> 01:15:50,290
shock to anybody that in America
we live in a very litigious 

1326
01:15:50,290 --> 01:15:52,890
society. 
People love to sue other people,

1327
01:15:52,890 --> 01:15:55,090
but the people love to threaten 
to sue other people. 

1328
01:15:55,610 --> 01:15:59,810
So this question says when is it
right for Christians to seek 

1329
01:15:59,810 --> 01:16:03,810
legal action in Scripture? 
We do not take our brothers to 

1330
01:16:03,810 --> 01:16:07,570
court, but instead forgive. 
But what about unbelievers? 

1331
01:16:07,930 --> 01:16:10,410
The word says vengeance is the 
Lord. 

1332
01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:14,810
So is there ever a time when we 
should, as Christians, take 

1333
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:19,050
legal actions? 
I think you should answer that 

1334
01:16:19,050 --> 01:16:21,330
question too, with your history 
and your background. 

1335
01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:25,060
And I will ask that I'll give an
answer and please add on to it. 

1336
01:16:25,940 --> 01:16:27,580
Here's what I would say based on
scripture. 

1337
01:16:29,700 --> 01:16:32,740
There is a clear call that 
believers should suffer wrong 

1338
01:16:32,740 --> 01:16:34,100
instead of taking each other to 
court. 

1339
01:16:34,100 --> 01:16:39,420
Because protecting the testimony
is the testimony of crisis far 

1340
01:16:39,420 --> 01:16:42,460
greater than you gaining extra 
money or getting payback. 

1341
01:16:43,380 --> 01:16:45,500
But what do we do with 
unbelievers? 

1342
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:50,720
And I would say that Paul's 
mentality with the believers, 

1343
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,080
the principle that he's 
operating under, overlaps even 

1344
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,200
with how we interact with 
unbelievers to some extent. 

1345
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,240
What was Paul's mindset when he 
talked taught that in First 

1346
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,800
Scrinthian 6, your rights, no 
matter how strongly you feel 

1347
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,440
about them, should be in subject
to the greater cause of the the 

1348
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:10,120
person, the nature, and the 
message of Jesus Christ. 

1349
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,600
And so if you, surrendering your
rights protects and Shields from

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01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:23,220
an unbelieving world, a possible
scorn, mockery, disdain, then 

1351
01:17:23,420 --> 01:17:27,700
sacrifice your rights. 
And Paul did that for himself 

1352
01:17:27,700 --> 01:17:31,380
and 1st Corinthians 9. 
He said, I have the right to 

1353
01:17:31,380 --> 01:17:35,900
demand material benefit from you
as I benefit you spiritually. 

1354
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:37,900
But I surrender that right 
because I don't want anybody 

1355
01:17:37,900 --> 01:17:39,980
else to say Paul's preaching to 
gain money from you. 

1356
01:17:40,420 --> 01:17:43,380
And Paul's like, I'd rather 
glory in that than to demand 

1357
01:17:43,380 --> 01:17:44,540
something of you. 
So I'm not going to ask you 

1358
01:17:44,540 --> 01:17:47,780
anything for the gospel. 
And in the same chapter there he

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01:17:47,780 --> 01:17:50,260
tells the same church to give to
ministers. 

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01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:53,540
So Paul, he's, he's in a 
different world and his 

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01:17:53,540 --> 01:17:56,580
thinking, he's in a different 
world constantly with any 

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01:17:56,580 --> 01:17:59,420
situation or circumstances. 
He's always thinking this in the

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01:17:59,420 --> 01:18:01,980
forefront of his mind. 
What would bring most glory to 

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01:18:01,980 --> 01:18:04,860
Christ in this? 
What would limit scandal? 

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01:18:05,020 --> 01:18:08,660
What would protect my testimony 
ultimately, as I deal with the 

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01:18:08,660 --> 01:18:13,820
situation and sometimes, 
depending on the situation, that

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01:18:13,820 --> 01:18:16,420
would require you to actually 
exercise your legal right. 

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01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,120
And Paul does that. 
And we taught a Bible study on 

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01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,080
that. 
Remember, in Act 16, him and him

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01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,800
and Silas were arrested. 
And then they go to the jailer's

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01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,680
house, they're converted. 
And then the magistrate come and

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:32,880
they say, hey, we were wrong. 
We're sorry, we didn't mean to 

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01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:34,880
arrest you. 
You guys can leave now. 

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01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,880
No issue, no court case. 
It's all done. 

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01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,200
We dropped the case, right? 
We dropped all charges. 

1376
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:44,280
You know what Paul does? 
He goes, no, no, no, no, no. 

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:48,150
You're not letting us go. 
Actually, we want you to escort 

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01:18:48,150 --> 01:18:54,070
us out. 
And pious Christians in 2023 

1379
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:56,630
would say, Paul, that's not 
Christ. 

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01:18:56,630 --> 01:19:01,430
Like we're people of peace. 
Go about your way and fulfill 

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01:19:01,430 --> 01:19:02,750
your ministry. 
You know what Paul would say 

1382
01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:04,790
with you? 
No, I'm not going anywhere. 

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01:19:06,990 --> 01:19:11,030
Was Paul bitter? 
Did Paul want to get something 

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01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:14,320
back? 
No, he was. 

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01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,720
He's he was operating under the 
same principle and conviction as

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01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,480
he was when he told the 
believers that he would not 

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01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:22,920
exercise his right to gain 
anything from the materially for

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,520
his spiritual service, in what 
sense? 

1389
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,400
What happened? 
What happened to Paul and Silas?

1390
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,920
They were publicly condemned. 
They were publicly arrested. 

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01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,060
They were publicly shamed and 
there was little information 

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01:19:34,060 --> 01:19:35,820
given about their arrest. 
The last thing that the people 

1393
01:19:35,820 --> 01:19:38,580
saw was that these missionaries 
who came into Phillip Eye are 

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01:19:38,580 --> 01:19:40,420
now arrested. 
Surely did something wrong and 

1395
01:19:40,420 --> 01:19:42,500
illegal to warrant that. 
And Paul knew that. 

1396
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:45,340
So Paul says, I'm not going to 
let the last thing that they saw

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01:19:45,620 --> 01:19:47,780
be us getting arrested. 
You have to bring us out and 

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01:19:47,780 --> 01:19:49,420
show everybody that we were 
actually innocent. 

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01:19:49,420 --> 01:19:51,100
Why? 
For the sake of the gospel. 

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01:19:52,860 --> 01:19:55,180
For the sake of the testimony of
Christ. 

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01:19:56,980 --> 01:19:59,460
And so when it comes to 
promoting the gospel, when it 

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01:19:59,460 --> 01:20:02,020
comes to protecting the gospel, 
protecting. 

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01:20:02,740 --> 01:20:05,500
His, his, his glory, his name, 
his purpose on the earth. 

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01:20:05,500 --> 01:20:07,780
Through the church, we should 
utilize the freedoms that we 

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01:20:07,780 --> 01:20:09,500
have. 
I think the greatest example of 

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01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:11,620
that is what we've been 
experiencing the past few years 

1407
01:20:11,780 --> 01:20:16,140
when we've been told that you 
can't gather and meet under the 

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01:20:16,140 --> 01:20:19,340
name of safety and healthcare 
and loving your neighbor even. 

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01:20:21,860 --> 01:20:24,620
And many churches have taken the
stand and and took the legal 

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01:20:24,620 --> 01:20:26,620
route to say no, we have the 
right to meet. 

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01:20:26,620 --> 01:20:30,660
This is our right. 
We should for what purpose? 

1412
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,000
In order for us to fulfill what 
God called us to fulfill. 

1413
01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:36,760
In order for us to protect what 
God called us to protect an 

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01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,120
honor, and that is to meet 
together as the church. 

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01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,120
And so that is legitimate. 
God would applaud that according

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01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,280
to His word. 
That wisdom is granted through 

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01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,400
Paul's example, many other 
incidents for us to be 

1418
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:50,480
encouraged to say, yes, this, 
this, this is something that we 

1419
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:55,480
can do for the good of our God 
and His glory. 

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01:20:56,440 --> 01:20:59,530
Now, I know that this is 
probably more impersonal things,

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01:20:59,530 --> 01:21:01,170
personal matters. 
I understand that I would have 

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01:21:01,170 --> 01:21:03,890
to hear the situation to give 
any kind of counsel or advice. 

1423
01:21:04,330 --> 01:21:08,690
But I would say you're always 
safe by using Paul's mindset in 

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01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:12,050
all situations. 
And at sometimes we'll call you 

1425
01:21:12,050 --> 01:21:16,570
to say I'm letting this go. 
In other situations it would say

1426
01:21:16,730 --> 01:21:19,890
I can't let this, I can't let 
this go because this will cost 

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01:21:19,890 --> 01:21:23,290
more for my faith and for others
and for the wellbeing of the 

1428
01:21:23,290 --> 01:21:24,490
church and the message of the 
church. 

1429
01:21:24,490 --> 01:21:26,890
So we must fight. 
So we will fight. 

1430
01:21:27,330 --> 01:21:29,550
That's how I would answer that. 
What would you add? 

1431
01:21:30,670 --> 01:21:32,630
Yeah. 
You know, it's interesting in in

1432
01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:36,030
in I know this is talking about 
lawsuits against unbelievers, 

1433
01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:38,310
but I I, I think it's important 
to talk about. 

1434
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:41,550
You know there's some some 
Christians who say that even if 

1435
01:21:41,550 --> 01:21:45,470
a crime was committed against me
by somebody, an unbeliever, I'm 

1436
01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:47,830
not going to go to police. 
I'm not going to go to court 

1437
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:50,190
because I that's what the Bible 
says. 

1438
01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:53,390
I I would just caution, 
especially when you're dealing 

1439
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:57,990
in crimes, right, whether it's 
spousal abuse, whether it's. 

1440
01:21:58,390 --> 01:22:00,950
God forbid somebody murders 
someone that you know and you're

1441
01:22:00,950 --> 01:22:04,710
a witness to it or something, or
whether you get called for jury 

1442
01:22:04,710 --> 01:22:07,670
duty on a criminal case, believe
it or not. 

1443
01:22:07,670 --> 01:22:10,750
So one of the questions that I 
asked him in when I did criminal

1444
01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:15,070
juries is, do you have any 
religious beliefs that would 

1445
01:22:15,070 --> 01:22:18,990
cause you to not be able to sit 
in judgment against someone 

1446
01:22:18,990 --> 01:22:21,750
else? 
Because you have some Christians

1447
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:27,590
who say I will not judge him 
because I'm a Christian and. 

1448
01:22:28,350 --> 01:22:30,110
Judge not lest you be judged, 
right. 

1449
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:32,270
That's what they say. 
I I think that's a 

1450
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:35,630
misapplication of what of what 
Christ is saying there. 

1451
01:22:35,630 --> 01:22:40,470
And I think actually as 
Christians we have a duty to to 

1452
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:44,750
work with the work with the 
government in criminal cases 

1453
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:47,710
because ultimately what what 
criminal cases are about is an 

1454
01:22:47,710 --> 01:22:51,590
offense against the people 
around you, the people of the 

1455
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:54,150
state of Illinois. 
That's who's on the one side of 

1456
01:22:54,150 --> 01:22:56,550
this, this criminal case, the 
people of the state of Illinois 

1457
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:59,650
versus the defendant. 
And I believe it's our job as 

1458
01:22:59,650 --> 01:23:01,810
Christians to help the 
government do their job. 

1459
01:23:02,050 --> 01:23:06,970
The government's job is to call 
good, good, call evil, evil, 

1460
01:23:07,090 --> 01:23:09,130
punish the evil doer. 
Right. 

1461
01:23:09,130 --> 01:23:12,770
And as good citizens, as 
Christian citizens, it is our 

1462
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:15,490
job to cooperate with that, 
whether it's being a witness in 

1463
01:23:15,490 --> 01:23:18,570
a criminal case or a member of 
the jury in a criminal case. 

1464
01:23:19,770 --> 01:23:23,850
Lawsuits against believers. 
You know, I, I, I know people 

1465
01:23:23,850 --> 01:23:25,820
who love. 
Clear, Black and white. 

1466
01:23:25,820 --> 01:23:27,100
Yes or no. 
Yes or no. 

1467
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:31,540
But it's not the case in in in 
most things, I would say, and I 

1468
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:34,620
absolutely agree sometimes, 
yeah, you do give up your right.

1469
01:23:34,620 --> 01:23:38,500
You say I'm not going to sue, 
but sometimes you do have to say

1470
01:23:38,660 --> 01:23:41,820
and looking at the Bible, yeah, 
it's actually my responsibility 

1471
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:44,260
to sue. 
How about the hospital? 

1472
01:23:44,460 --> 01:23:47,420
Who's so negligent that they 
mess up something in your 

1473
01:23:47,420 --> 01:23:50,030
surgery or something? 
Well, guess what? 

1474
01:23:50,230 --> 01:23:53,830
If you don't pursue legal action
against them, they're going to 

1475
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:56,950
do it to somebody else. 
So you might not be seeking 

1476
01:23:56,950 --> 01:24:01,350
1,000,000 or $10 million, but I 
believe as the responsible 

1477
01:24:01,350 --> 01:24:04,710
Christians, we have to make sure
this wrong does not continue. 

1478
01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:08,630
Or as Daniel said, you know, 
there's Christian law firms 

1479
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:13,950
every day suing, using the 
civil, criminal, civil court 

1480
01:24:13,950 --> 01:24:17,950
system to advocate for the 
rights of the the. 

1481
01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:22,790
The coach who wants to pray 
before a football game, Or the 

1482
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:27,590
nurse who won't do abortions and
then gets fired, Or the cake 

1483
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:32,070
Baker who won't make a specially
designed cake because it goes 

1484
01:24:32,070 --> 01:24:36,190
against his Christian beliefs. 
These are absolutely legitimate 

1485
01:24:36,190 --> 01:24:39,310
lawsuits. 
We see it in Paul, not just in 

1486
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:43,750
Philippians, but also in acts. 
Right as he was arrested. 

1487
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:46,650
I appeal to Caesar, right? 
What a Caesar. 

1488
01:24:46,650 --> 01:24:48,970
You shall go. 
And then we see what the Lord 

1489
01:24:48,970 --> 01:24:51,090
does. 
As Paul uses that system that's 

1490
01:24:51,090 --> 01:24:55,090
in place, we see how the Lord 
uses Paul even for the good of 

1491
01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:58,450
so many other people as he's 
following through in that 

1492
01:24:58,450 --> 01:25:02,490
process. 
So, yeah, hope that helps. 

1493
01:25:02,770 --> 01:25:05,850
I hope it helps to help me. 
Amen. 

1494
01:25:05,850 --> 01:25:09,210
Well, that concludes our Q&A. 
I hope you guys are edified and 

1495
01:25:09,210 --> 01:25:10,810
blessed. 
We love when questions come in 

1496
01:25:10,810 --> 01:25:15,140
because it sharpens us and it 
encourages us to kind of examine

1497
01:25:15,140 --> 01:25:17,420
things in a deeper level. 
And so we were so blessed. 

1498
01:25:17,420 --> 01:25:19,340
There are many, many other 
questions, obviously. 

1499
01:25:19,460 --> 01:25:23,300
I mean it's it's close to 9:00. 
So we we enjoyed it. 

1500
01:25:23,300 --> 01:25:26,660
We hope you didn't feel the the 
time when we just want to pray 

1501
01:25:26,660 --> 01:25:29,060
and give God glory for all these
things that were discussed. 

1502
01:25:29,060 --> 01:25:33,460
Would you like to pray for us? 
Heavenly Father, you are good 

1503
01:25:34,540 --> 01:25:38,580
and your mercy endorsed forever.
Lord, your word is so good 

1504
01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:40,580
sharper than any two edged 
sword. 

1505
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:44,270
Lord, your word gives life. 
Where else should we go? 

1506
01:25:44,270 --> 01:25:46,430
Lord, you have the words of 
eternal life. 

1507
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:50,870
And thank you for the wisdom 
from Pastor Daniel and the 

1508
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:52,830
guidance. 
And thank you for the questions 

1509
01:25:52,830 --> 01:25:57,070
where brothers and sisters are 
truly wanting to do what is 

1510
01:25:57,070 --> 01:26:00,750
right according to your word. 
May you give us all wisdom. 

1511
01:26:01,310 --> 01:26:04,990
May you give us all discernment.
Supernatural understanding 

1512
01:26:04,990 --> 01:26:07,430
illuminate our hearts and our 
minds as we read. 

1513
01:26:08,110 --> 01:26:13,870
Lord, shower us with Your grace.
May we live lives that are 

1514
01:26:13,870 --> 01:26:18,590
pleasing to you, and may You 
transform us every day more into

1515
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:21,870
the image of Christ in our 
thoughts and our words and our 

1516
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:24,550
actions. 
You are good, Lord, in Jesus 

1517
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:26,350
name we pray. 
Amen. 

1518
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:30,710
Amen. 
Well, why don't we sing one more

1519
01:26:30,710 --> 01:26:32,310
song and closing. 
Shall we do that?