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I look over every single night 
and he's in my corner, dude, 

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like. 
Are you on? 

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Shout out to Drew. 
Shout out to Drew flopping my 

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tech. 
He's going to like the fact that

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you showed up. 
No guitar. 

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No guitar. 
He's going to hate that. 

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He's going to. 
He's going to feel anxiety from 

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from where he is, right? 
We got we got Zach rigged up 

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with all the NCC studio gear. 
I've been wearing these clothes 

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for three days. 
So it's going to come through in

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the tone. 
Hey, but here's something, 

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although you might be where 
you're at now, I'm sure there's 

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been many times on tour back in 
the day, bro. 

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Listen, there's, there's been 
lots of times where I've chosen 

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to wear the same thing. 
This was a forced upon me thing.

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I was shopping right before I 
got here. 

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Just I'm going to drive home 
tomorrow. 

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But I I like I had to get other 
clothes to wear, but yeah. 

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How how many days a year are you
traveling now? 

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It's not what it was like. 
Sound of Madness days like 2008,

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like I remember there was a run 
where we did, where we were 

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literally gone for six months, 
like no home straight. 

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And then we were also in our 
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So yeah, it's, you know, it's 
not as bad as it it was, but 

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Brent and I do so much outside 
of China. 

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You guys are always doing stuff.
Yeah, we do Smith and Myers, but

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we also we're kind of like when 
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or anything like we're the two 
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So it's like I'm kind of and 
like Brent, God love him. 

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He's my been my best friend for 
23 years now. 

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Doesn't have a house, doesn't 
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Think he told me this. 
Yeah, it doesn't have a car. 

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By choice. 
By choice doesn't rent, doesn't 

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own anything, doesn't own a car,
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doesn't rent a lease an 
apartment, doesn't rent or lease

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a car. 
He literally owns a suitcase, a 

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carry on and a cell phone. 
He just stays in hotels. 

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Stays in hotels. 
He's a Buddhist monk. 

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Kinda in more ways than one. 
We're not going to talk about 

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that. 
But yeah, in more ways than one,

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kind of like that. 
But yeah. 

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So he's he's an odd dude, but 
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that in that realm it's like he 
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turned 18 and like son comes out
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Mike when my kid comes out and 
it's like, so he's like he 

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always wants to kind of be 
going. 

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You're like, hey man, I'm at 
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Where you at? 
He's like, oh, I'm in Saint 

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Louis. 
Or or does he always stay? 

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I'm in LA. 
He's usually only in three 

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places, you know, usually here, 
Charleston, Orlando, normally. 

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So his son lives in Orlando. 
Got it. 

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So in our studios in Charleston,
where Eric's house is, Yeah. 

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He's never in like, yo, I went 
to Omaha for fun. 

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Dude, I'm in Omaha. 
You remember that time in Omaha?

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Yeah, I wanted to come back. 
So what is your situation when 

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you plug into gear that you've 
never played before? 

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This is going to sound really 
weird. 

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Every vintage guitar I've ever 
bought and some new guitars I've

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never plugged in. 
Oh. 

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For me, if it has original 
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go, OK, it's going to sound 
pretty good unless something's 

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wrong. 
And if it's something's wrong, I

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can bring it back. 
But to me, if a guitar can sound

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good just like this, not plugged
in, it's going to sound good and

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you can make it sound good. 
That's to me. 

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I went. 
But I will say I don't, and 

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maybe this is like imposter 
syndrome on my part. 

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I don't feel like I have a tone 
in my hands. 

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I can literally close my eyes 
and you can put 100 players in 

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here and I'll pick him out of a 
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a ton. 
And that's that's the highest 

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compliment, right? 
Like thank you, brother. 

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I've told this story a couple 
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Guitar Show 98 and there was 
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Amps back in the 80s and 90s and
they had they're doing this 

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combo. 
There's Chestnut one, it had a 

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10 and a 12 in it, which sounds,
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Interesting, I guess. 
And it's cool until I played it 

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and I was like, this sounds 
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And I left my jacket in there. 
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like a little retaining wall and
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could see the amp. 
And I left my jacket and I go 

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back in and it sounds like 
Cliffs of Dover. 

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And it's Eric. 
It's Eric. 

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And I go. 
And I was like literally, I was 

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14 years old going, oh, I don't 
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Amp sounded like shit when I 
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It is a weird thing when you 
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that because it's like, I don't 
know how that happens or I don't

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know, because it's not like a, 
it's not even like you can't 

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practice that. 
You know, you don't. 

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It's just like it starts. 
It's an 8, it's an 8. 

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It's it's something that inside 
you, but also like you have 

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variables that add to that 
you've never used to pick right 

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that you know that's that thing 
right there. 

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Your attack is going to sound 
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man. 
So that's, you know, that's one 

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of those things where like I 
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of things going for me guitar 
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right. 
But like, I'll always be jealous

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of someone who has like that 
tone, like because I really, and

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I don't, I actually don't think 
it's a box. 

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I just don't think I do. 
I can make my tone. 

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Yeah, but I don't like you can 
play through any amp in here and

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you're going to. 
Sound like brother, you know I 

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love you and also saying that 
though, and I'm going to hand a 

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compliment right back. 
There's a very big difference. 

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I feel like with a lot of 
players, OK, you have a tone 

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inside of you, right? 
But you've been able to 

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literally create not only a tone
for guitars to be like, oh, 

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that's cool, but also like 
literally like popular music 

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tone, which is like. 
Did you know Shinedown Zach's 

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band has 7.7 million Spotify 
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I did not. 
Did you know that? 

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No, I don't have Spotify. 
I looked it up. 

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And that's a month. 
It's definitely a testament to 

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the accessibility of the music 
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you're talking about tone when 
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talking about tone, but creating
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For the masses, the. 
Grand audience, I think is way 

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more difficult and I think a lot
of people who you praise would 

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love to have your talent in 
doing that. 

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Because a lot of the times when 
we are so focused and nuanced, 

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it's really only the cream of 
the crop that rise to the top 

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when it comes to guitar playing,
when it comes to bands, that 

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sort of tonal architecture that 
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variety. 
Especially now, like think about

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like even when we were like 
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growing up and listen to my 
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like Alice In Chains and like 
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Like these bands had sounds. 
You guys are like that now. 

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And it's very rare to hear a 
band now that has like a Sonic 

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sound or like a tone, you know? 
We also said about other bands. 

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There's certain bands that make 
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most important thing. 
Like I always said, it's like 

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people can say what they want 
about my band and say whatever. 

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No one sounds like us and we 
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We get people like, well, they 
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because we came out around the 
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They sound like Nickelback. 
They sound like this and like, 

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no, we don't. 
Our singer sounds different than

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any. 
I have one of the greatest 

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singers in rock'n'roll. 
Yeah, he's a monster. 

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Period. 
So like the fact that like 

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people, they sound like I'm 
like, no, we don't. 

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You can, you can throw anything 
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You can say a song sounds like 
you can say it reminds me of. 

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But like that's true. 
Like I don't think we've ever 

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sounded like anyone. 
And that's like, to me, that's 

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like, that's Pete. 
We were talking about this with 

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Bonamassa the other day. 
It's like so many people as well

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are going to listen with their 
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we're talking about guitar 
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And I just feel like that's just
something that no matter how 

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unique you are, you'll never 
escape, you know, Like, you 

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could have amazing stuff, but 
once someone sees you, they're 

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going to typecast you on. 
And that's what those 

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observations are, I think, are 
generalizations from people who 

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have only heard one song. 
And they're like, Oh well, 

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Shinedown's this because I heard
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100% But that's, you know what? 
I also have to like take myself 

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out of it and go. 
That's how they treat every 

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band, you know? 
So it's like I can't. 

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Welcome to the jungle. 
Yeah, you know, dude, if I if I 

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read in online comments like I 
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in a dark place mentally. 
Probably. 

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Well wait till you see the 
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They're going to be so good. 
There's. 

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We have an awesome community. 
No, this community rocks dude. 

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I did a Guitar World thing one 
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Guitar World and it's still on 
YouTube to this day. 

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And it's, this is when I 
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what you guys were talking about
in the sense of like, I'm not 

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this Steve I shredder. 
I'm a Blues kid. 

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So I got a guitar for my 12th 
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It was a Series 10 Stratocaster 
pointy headstock. 

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It was probably from like 
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nice. 
And I when I when I picked it up

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for the first time, I didn't 
know you were supposed to put 

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your left hand on the guitar. 
Oh, you just what? 

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Did you? 
I've got pictures of me like 

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full Garth gear brush, popper, 
bolo tie, cowboy hat with a 

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guitar up here. 
Didn't even know. 

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You're just like, I got it. 
I'm. 

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Just sitting there. 
I'm just sitting there playing. 

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Nothing else matters. 
Nothing else matters. 

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I heard that acoustic version 
you guys did. 

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Is that what Am I playing it 
right? 

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It's just E 
Black belt in Taekwondo. 

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So I was like play baseball, 
play basketball in a sports. 

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And then like right before my 
13th birthday, I was sitting at 

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home, I was watching MTV and a 
band actually that just toured 

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with us all last year was on and
I saw the greatest looking man 

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of the 90s ever and. 
I was like. 

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What the fuck is that? 
And so I like sat there and I 

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was like, I was like, I got to, 
I got to figure out how to do 

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that. 
And so I grabbed my guitar, 

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which is probably in 11 
different tunings at this point.

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And I just, it was because the 
part of the video was live. 

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So they were actually, you know,
they actually had to be playing.

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So I started kind of watching it
and it probably in my head right

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now, it sounded way better than 
it probably did in the living 

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room of my apartment. 
But I was like, I, I want to do 

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this. 
And I learned what I learned was

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there's a difference between 
creating something and and 

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playing something and being able
to write, play a song. 

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Definitely. 
And that's for me. 

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Like the comments we I was 
doing, they asked me Guitar 

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World asked me to do a song 
called Cut the Chord, which is 

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the easiest song to play. 
There's there's nothing to it. 

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Yeah. 
And on the comments, it's like, 

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Boo gets, you know, Mark Holcomb
on here. 

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Mark's my buddy, dude. 
Dude, why aren't you? 

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And I'm like, I'm thinking about
that. 

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I'm like, dude, what if, what if
YouTube was around? 

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Like when like, you know, you're
sitting there and like, like, 

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this song sucks, dude. 
Dude, we've heard that I will 

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say this. 
Like 7 nation army. 

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Yeah, of course. 
That's the yeah, like, like, 

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that's the same kind of idea, 
right? 

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But I'm like, I was just sitting
there, like reading comments. 

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I'm like after that I was like, 
I don't read comments. 

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I I think though that guitar 
players and and I feel like it's

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not as bad as it was, or maybe 
it's worse. 

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Tell me it's just always seems 
to always a lot of community 

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based stuff. 
They're like we need more and 

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more and more. 
So if you play a lick and you 

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went right, cool, but someone 
will go that lick sucked. 

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It's never like even playing a 
song or playing a lick. 

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It's just like it's never 
enough. 

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Maybe that it's always like 
someone wants to be. 

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Their mind needs to be blown at 
all times. 

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I completely agree with you, but
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the same time is the people who 
we look up to that doesn't even 

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register with them. 
They only care what they're 

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playing, and they don't even 
care what external sources are 

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looking at what. 
They do, but they're right. 

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Yes. 
As a result, they're just like 

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well. 
No, they shouldn't care. 

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You know, I, I my first tour 
ever was with B.B. 

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King. 
Ever. 

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Dude, that's insane. 
That's not bad. 

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Me, me. 
And I know like Stevie kind of 

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has a story similar to this, I 
think with maybe Albert, but 

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like it we were he would bring 
us on. 

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There's other two other young 
guitar players that who I won't 

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name on the tour as well. 
And they were like every night 

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we come for the encore would be 
nobody loves me but my mother 

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and Thrill is gone. 
And we'd all just do the BB 

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thing that he kind of started 
where I was like cutting heads 

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everybody like so I was the 
first on the bill. 

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I was the young kid. 
So I go 1st and like this 

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particular night I think we were
in Dallas and like I felt really

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good and then other kid went and
I was like I think I got I'm. 

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Doing. 
That thing in your head, you're 

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like, of course, you're like 
you're, you know, it's always 

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healthy competition. 
Like, I don't ever have a beef 

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with anyone because like, 
there's enough for everybody. 

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Right. 
Of course, yeah. 

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So and then the other kid goes 
and I'm like dude, like I. 

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Feel pretty good smoked them. 
And then BB looks back at Tony. 

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Coleman was playing drums at the
time. 

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BB looks back at Tony Coleman 
goes and he held an over 12 bars

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and I swear to God I put my 
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off stage because I was like he 
what he was doing to us was 

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like, none of that shit matters 
if you can do it with one note 

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and you'll have to do it one. 
Note No, I totally agree. 

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Like I'm such a less is more 
guy, but then again I love fast 

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guitar players. 
I think it's cool to watch. 

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I've never had the interest. 
I think with those kind of 

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players, and it's not only 
Blues, but like what? 

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What, regardless of genre, a lot
of players think of their guitar

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more as like like it's like 
poetry, man. 

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It's not about like a lick or a 
phrase. 

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It's about like the overall, 
what are you trying to say? 

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And I think that that's really 
it's like Gilmore to even Steve 

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I and and some of that stuff 
you'll go, God, this is so 

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lyrical. 
It's like. 

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Exactly. 
That's my thing. 

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I think playing fast. 
One thing, you know, the thing 

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that you mentioned about Gilmore
and VI, what's their melody? 

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They, it's, they're singing 
something that's coming through 

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their hands. 
And that's what makes it great. 

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Like, you know, I didn't get 
into Gilmore till like I was 

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probably 25. 
Like when I was younger, I was 

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not a Pink Floyd guy. 
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and I started listening to 
Gilmore solos, I was like, dude,

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this is the most tasteful. 
Money. 

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Guitar player, like it's insane 
to hear, but again, it always 

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goes back to melody. 
There's some sort of melody. 

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When I heard this thing. 
Like. 

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What? 
Guitar can do that. 

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Yeah, that's that's right. 
But again, you hear that You're 

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like, man, that's probably him 
singing. 

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Oh yeah, this. 
Is what I'm trying to do and I 

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see players that are just like, 
alright, Yep. 

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I'm like, dude, God bless you. 
I can't, I physically can't do 

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it. 
So I will give you the credit. 

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I cannot do that. 
I could sit and practice that 

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all day for a year and still 
couldn't do it. 

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But also, no offense, you know, 
I gave you credit for doing it. 

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I don't want to do it either. 
What's the technique for at the 

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end of the day if you're not 
using it to really say 

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something? 
But if you look at a guy like 

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you said, like VI, who can do 
that but can also, you know, 

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play the greatest melodies of 
all time on guitar, you're like,

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all right. 
Like that's I, I love being in 

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the middle of that, you know, 
But I'm also, I'm a songwriter 

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before I think I started out as 
a guitar player. 

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I think I'm more of a songwriter
now than I am a guitar. 

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Well, I, I feel like with you, 
you were able to find that like 

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rare ground where you realize 
really early on you're like, 

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hey, it's all about the songs 
100% it's like. 

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That's exactly how I said it in 
my. 

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Head all the guitar playing is 
amazing but I need to use this 

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to paint the song. 
Right. 

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But again, right. 
I want to use my guitar playing 

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as the paintbrush. 
The song has to come first. 

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Look at, you know, you know, I 
think the best version of that 

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we were talking about before we 
started, this is Mayor, one of 

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the greatest songwriters of this
generation, one of the greatest 

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guitar players of this 
generation, and doesn't overdo 

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it, man. 
Whatever the song needs, that's 

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what's there. 
I kind of want John to shred 

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though you. 
Can't. 

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You need him to? 
You need him to. 

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He can't. 
Just pull out that little pink 

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Jackson thing that he's always 
got going on. 

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You ever seen when he played the
EVH? 

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I was just thinking that dude. 
And he's like completely 

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shredding. 
Yeah, he's. 

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Ripping, but again, like I those
are those are my kind of guys. 

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They have it in their pocket. 
It's a tool if they need it, but

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they know what's necessary for 
the song because dude, it's 

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10,000 hours is for anything. 
It doesn't matter what trade 

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you're in, the more songs you 
write, the better you're going 

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to get. 
You know, the more you play 

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guitar, the better. 
And like, you're like, I'm, it's

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incredible to watch, man. 
Like watch you do it because 

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every record's getting better. 
The songs are getting better. 

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And that's like, look, you look 
at a guy like Mary and you're 

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like, dude, perfect songs. 
I say it all the time. 

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Like he catches so much shit 
about certain things. 

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And I remember when Born and 
Raised came out again, I'm a big

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songwriter guy, right? 
I remember hearing Walt Grace's 

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submarine test, and I was like, 
I remember seeing people online 

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kind of being like, what, you 
know, what the fuck is this? 

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And I remember going, I said to 
someone, I might have said an 

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interview. 
I said if Bob Dylan covered that

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song and no one told you who 
wrote it, it's just Bob Dylan 

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playing it, you would say that's
one of the best Bob Dylan songs 

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ever written. 
Yeah, man. 

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Because again, like, like you 
said at the beginning, you judge

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the person, you're like, oh, 
fucking mayor, like, whatever. 

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But like, dude, that guy's one 
of the greatest songwriters of 

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the last 30 years. 
I've I've. 

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Period. 
We're. 

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We're we're. 
Mayor, we're in agreement. 

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Oh. 
Dude, of course every totally in

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agreement you started. 
Songwriting at the same time as 

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your guitar playing or was the 
guitar taking helm first the. 

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Guitar was first. 
I, I tell people that like I 

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went to see Jimmy Page and 
Robert Plant in 94 and 95. 

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They toured both years and I 
went to go see him and the first

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time it was very acousticy and 
they had the orchestra and I was

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like, man, this is really cool 
and I love the songs. 

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But I went over to see him in 
95. 

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I was almost hesitant to go in a
way. 

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I was like, it's going to be 
kind of the same thing. 

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Like, I want to hear, you know, 
I want to hear Paige RIP. 

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And so like, I'm going into it 
with the same mindset. 

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And like, it's at the Pyramid 
Arena, which is now our bass pro

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shops. 
I go up, there's like a boat up 

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in the air, like in there. 
And I go up and tell my son I 

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go, I saw Pearl Jam. 
That's so. 

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Funny, I saw Pearl Jam in the. 
Fishing rod section? 

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Yeah, at the fish. 
Tank and like but so lights go 

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out and and do like I'm getting 
chills talking about it. 

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Like for me, I was like, I want 
to do that. 

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It's happening. 
I want to do that. 

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And then two weeks later saw 
Garth Brooks at the same arena 

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and I looked at my dad and I 
said, I want to do it like that.

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So I want to play guitar 
legitimate, but I want to put on

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a show like this guy. 
So that's kind of where it 

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started for me. 
But like it was guitar first. 

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I was I was in love with guitar.
I wanted to be Stevie Ray 

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Vaughan, like most kids growing 
up in that era. 

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And then I discovered Albert 
Collins and Albert King and this

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Chris Duarte from Texas. 
Like guys like that. 

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Like not a lot of people know 
who Chris is. 

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Love Chris. 
Chris is one of the. 

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Greatest guitar players I've 
ever seen and with the most 

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soulful too. 
And then anyway got a record 

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deal. 
I would only been playing guitar

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for 11 months. 
Got a record deal with who? 

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How? 
Did that MCA Nashville. 

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Which would used to be a label 
here. 

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It may be again for country, but
it could be now. 

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Yeah, it was. 
It was MTA Nashville and it was,

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and it was great. 
And I, you know, I forced myself

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to sing, although I really 
couldn't at the time. 

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And we covered a Chris Duarte 
song like on our first. 

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Nice. 
Dude and. 

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Then we did another record and 
then I started writing like 

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legitimately writing like songs 
that were more leaning towards 

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rock. 
And I would, I was so excited. 

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You know, I'm I'm probably 17, 
about to be 18 at the time. 

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Give them the label and they're 
like, man, a couple of these are

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really good. 
I was like, oh dude, that like 

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honoured. 
Thank you. 

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Like who? 
Who do you want us to shot these

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two? 
And I was like, what? 

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Like my? 
Songs, man, like wow, I was like

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I got to. 
Make a third record. 

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We have a three record. 
Like I, I got to make a third 

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record. 
And they're like, yeah, but 

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you're like this cute little. 
You're the bluesy kid, Blues 

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kid. 
We're going to try and. 

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Nashville, you right now and 
sell your song back then. 

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You know, in the 90s, deals were
not friendly. 

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I mean, they're not, they're not
friendly now either. 

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But no, they were like, you had 
to have four lawyers look over 

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and make sure the lawyer didn't 
know the label because Oh my 

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God. 
And so basically the only way I 

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could get out of the deal was to
break the Banda. 

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That was kind of the only way. 
And I remember we were on a tour

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in Europe. 
We flew home and we're at the 

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airport. 
And I was like, I was like, I 

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don't know if I can do this 
anymore. 

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Told the band at like at baggage
claim. 

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Never forget it. 
I was like, I don't know if I do

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this anymore. 
And yeah, that was the end of 

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that Zach Meyers band at that 
point. 

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And but that's to me was like, 
that's when I like you said 

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earlier, it's like I got to be a
songwriter. 

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I have to learn how to write 
songs. 

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And because that was that was 
kind of my passion. 

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And again, like I love guitar 
players, but man. 

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You know, I love Joe Walsh and I
love Joe Walsh solo, but when I 

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hear an Eagle, I can't really 
say that because Joe Walsh's 

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songs are so funny. 
He's got some good ones, but I 

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know what you're. 
Saying But you know what I'm 

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00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:24,760
saying? 
Like you. 

445
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,520
Know when I hear take it easy 
I'm like, dude, I don't care if 

446
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,360
you hate the Eagles or not like 
you wish you wrote that song 

447
00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:34,200
like you know those those kind 
of things are were what started 

448
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,640
to take over for me Are there 
some? 

449
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,560
Songs that you wrote in those 
earlier days that you can recall

450
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,720
that are still like top of mind 
right now. 

451
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,640
There's a song called this. 
Goodbye that I did, which is. 

452
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,720
Something simple like. 
That that wasn't like a normal E

453
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,920
to C And so for me, like that's 
kind of what started. 

454
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,920
And I was like, oh wow. 
And then you come up with a 

455
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,000
melody. 
And like, I also think about 

456
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,120
that too. 
Like I wish I could go back to 

457
00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:01,360
how simple it was when I wrote 
songs. 

458
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,560
And I think because now I feel 
like there's so much pressure. 

459
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,920
Well, also. 
Like, yeah, you're like, I got 

460
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,160
to think this, this, this and 
this, you know, it's like we 

461
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,720
got. 
You get, you get a couple number

462
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,440
ones and you're like. 
Oh no. 

463
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,000
What's next? 
Did that mess with your? 

464
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,200
Head hard. 
Oh yeah. 

465
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,680
How many #1? 
Songs have you written with? 

466
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,480
The band has 24 #1 songs. 
We have the most ever in the 

467
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,480
history of Billboard or Media 
base or whatever, which I say 

468
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,960
that, but it's like it sounds 
cool and it sounds braggy, but 

469
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,360
it's like it's no dude you. 
Own that, I tell people it's 

470
00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:31,360
like. 
Monopoly money. 

471
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,000
OK, it's like. 
It's good. 

472
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,120
You have in your pocket it feels
good, but if you try to go spend

473
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:37,440
it somewhere, it's like because 
they're like, oh, when we got I 

474
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,680
remember when we got like 17, 
they're like, Oh yeah, more 

475
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,640
number ones than Tom Petty. 
I'm like, so I still didn't 

476
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,160
write American girl, right? 
I still didn't write breakdown. 

477
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,960
I still didn't write dude. 
That's the. 

478
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,240
Best way you could probably ever
look at that. 

479
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,240
Yeah, it's. 
It's you know what, man, it's so

480
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,360
real. 
It's great and I appreciate it 

481
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,680
and, and thank you to radio and 
billboard and all these people. 

482
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,880
But it's like, you know, for me,
I, it's, it's what's next? 

483
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,320
Like what, what can we do? 
But anyway, to answer the 

484
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,960
question, I had so much 
pressure. 

485
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,080
I remember when Madness came out
and it had 6 #1 songs on one 

486
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:16,520
record and we toured for, we did
like 400 shows on that album and

487
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,080
then you go to write the next 
one. 

488
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,960
It's our third record, so it's 
not like, oh, we're writing our 

489
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,760
second record. 
Our third record was our biggest

490
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,320
record. 
So you go to write that second 

491
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,680
record and we wrote a song 
called Bully. 

492
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,000
I remember they picked it to be 
the first single. 

493
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,960
And I called our A&R guy the 
night before and said we can't 

494
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,720
because I wrote this. 
Me, Brenton, our friend Dave 

495
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,760
wrote the song. 
And I go, I go, we can't. 

496
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,120
This kid, we have to stop this 
from coming out. 

497
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,120
I go, it's going to it's going 
to bomb. 

498
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,080
Oh, you didn't? 
I was. 

499
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,400
So you're so in your own head. 
About it I was. 

500
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,560
In my own hand, I was. 
Terrified because you know Sound

501
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,440
of Man has had second chance. 
It was #1 on pop radio. 

502
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,840
Dude that that song was in 
Escape. 

503
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,480
You know when you're in CVS or. 
Walgreens and you go. 

504
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,800
It's like the soundtrack. 
To your to your salad. 

505
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,720
Yeah, Literally. 
Yeah. 

506
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,400
Dude, it plays at Whole Foods, 
Yeah. 

507
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,560
And then you'll be. 
At the gym. 

508
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,800
Or so it was everywhere. 
Yeah, my favorite. 

509
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,480
Part about that era was like, I 
remember, you know, in the back 

510
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,000
of Rolling Stone, they used to 
have the chart and we got it 

511
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,320
that week and it was like 
Shinedown or one, and it was 

512
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,400
like Beyoncé, the Jonas 
Brothers, Miley Cyrus shows. 

513
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,320
I'm like, man, Beyoncé's at home
right now going who the fuck? 

514
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,440
And that's like, that was my 
favorite part about it. 

515
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,320
But again, all that those are 
big songs. 

516
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,800
So like when this new record was
going to come out, I just had I 

517
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,960
just had this panic moment where
all you. 

518
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,800
Guys kind of like that. 
No, nothing's. 

519
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,760
Just me. 
Everyone else had the confidence

520
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,600
of like, let it be what it's 
going to be. 

521
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,400
And again, like, I have critical
imposter syndrome. 

522
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,200
It must be so. 
Hard, man, honestly, and I 

523
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,640
really mean this, to get to a 
spot where you're even thinking 

524
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,600
that way, that's got to be such 
like a head spin where you've 

525
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,720
had success and you've done all 
this stuff and then you're like,

526
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,760
OK, let's ramp it up again. 
And then there's this emotion of

527
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,040
being like, is it going to be? 
It's not over, right? 

528
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,760
Like I didn't peak already, did 
I? 

529
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,160
That's. 
That conversation happened. 

530
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,440
It's happening in my head now 
because we got another record 

531
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,920
coming out. 
So it was like, but I will say, 

532
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,280
like the older you get, the more
you rely on your, your people 

533
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,720
and your fans to, to, to grow 
with you and listen, you're 

534
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,400
going to lose. 
You're going to lose some people

535
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,040
no matter what you do. 
We never make the same record 

536
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,960
twice. 
I'm trying to make every song 

537
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,840
the Best Song it can be. 
Now don't go in. 

538
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,000
The juxtaposition is that I 
don't go in and go. 

539
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,680
I'm going to write a radio song 
because every time I've ever 

540
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,040
tried to do that, it's the worst
song ever, the first. 

541
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,400
Note just sounds bad and it 
sounds. 

542
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,000
Contrived it doesn't sound real 
like you. 

543
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,600
We have learned as we've gotten 
older, just like let it come to 

544
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,440
you, man. 
Like, let it you know, I think 

545
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,240
there was at the beginning of 
this record, there was times 

546
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,280
where we were trying to force 
things and we had to just like, 

547
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,200
what are some of your? 
Songwriting techniques if you 

548
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,960
have any new ones or go to 
things Man I. 

549
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,840
Write in the shower, OK and dead
asleep. 

550
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,160
That's that's I found all my 
best ideas coming from me waking

551
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,920
up and then and having to hum 
something into my notes or I'm 

552
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,600
in the shower and I leave the 
phone close by so it's a melody.

553
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,360
Usually it's usually a. 
Melody. 

554
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,920
Sometimes it's a riff. 
Bully was at the riff first. 

555
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,280
I kind of was playing it 
backwards from how it ended up 

556
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,520
coming out and Brent kind of 
hummed it the way that it is 

557
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,000
now. 
You guys are such a great. 

558
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,480
Duo, though, like to have like 
somebody that you'd be like, 

559
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,720
dude, check it out. 
And then he was just like, yeah,

560
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,080
for sure. 
And then he hums it backwards to

561
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,880
you. 
And then you're like, wait a 

562
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,880
minute, that sounds that that. 
Honestly, that's how it went and

563
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:56,240
bully's just. 
Yeah, that sounds. 

564
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,480
Cool. 
Yeah, that's cool. 

565
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,320
That's really cool, you know, 
for me. 

566
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,480
Like that and like, you know, 
we, I rely on the red whammy 

567
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,800
pedal so much. 
Our bass player Eric, who also 

568
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,520
writes a lot like a majority of 
our stuff too. 

569
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,640
You know, we are red whammy 
people. 

570
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,520
The whammy. 
Boys did not even necessarily. 

571
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,800
The the up and down of it. 
Although Down at Mattis, which 

572
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,520
is one of our biggest songs, 
that song is completely 

573
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,920
predicated on a Wham. 
Whammy goes out. 

574
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,680
That's how it's going to sound 
Super weird. 

575
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,880
Who are the big whammy? 
Dudes I know Tom Morello. 

576
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,920
Tom Morello for. 
Sure. 

577
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,120
I mean, Steve Vibe, we keep 
bringing him up, but he 

578
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:33,520
absolutely has that going on. 
Korn, Jack. 

579
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,000
White. 
Jack White's a big whammy. 

580
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,040
Guy crazy stuff, right? 
He's got the triple graph. 

581
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,920
Now, which he like messed with 
the whammy and like made his own

582
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,600
pedal with third man something 
special about. 

583
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,360
The whammy though, man, I mean, 
when that came out I wasn't even

584
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:45,760
playing guitar. 
But like, how long have you been

585
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,280
playing? 
Guitar. 

586
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,720
Let's see, I've been playing 
guitar. 

587
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,040
Well dude, I've been playing 
guitar now for Don't say 10. 

588
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,760
Years. 
No, no, no. 19 years. 

589
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,040
OK, All right. 
Yeah, I feel. 

590
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,280
Bad Six years. 
I thought you're gonna be like, 

591
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,640
yeah, dude, I started playing 
like 6 months before I met you. 

592
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,360
I was like no, picked up this. 
Les Paul on the way over here, 

593
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,480
Yeah. 
No, that and that's The thing is

594
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,280
like what we would use it like 
Arch sound like that sound of 

595
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,720
Mana sound, Amaryllis, all that 
stuff is the whammy on the left 

596
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,960
side of the octave. 
It sounds better than any octave

597
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,880
pedal you could ever get. 
I think that's. 

598
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,200
Awesome. 
And just with. 

599
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,840
The pedal on, no movement. 
No, no. 

600
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,400
Foot. 
No, just the left side. 

601
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,400
I love that pedal. 
That pedal's great. 

602
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,120
And I have the sub machines 
submachines you have the. 

603
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,800
Double. 
Submachines the double. 

604
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,960
Every time I come. 
Over so this is Tyler's gear he 

605
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,600
always hooks me up and he always
puts something fun on it's 

606
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,600
always a clon because he knows I
he knows I love the clon Oh yeah

607
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:48,480
it's. 
Crazy it. 

608
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,000
Sounds great. 
Yeah, it sounds super safe. 

609
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,440
I love that you always. 
Put the claw on your board. 

610
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,160
He always does see without the 
without the kind of warble of 

611
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,000
that like that would be the 
sound of bullish. 

612
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:04,200
My board is actually only a wah 
analog wah, analog whammy 

613
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,280
volume. 
And then drew drew controls 

614
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,720
everything else. 
And as far as stomps go, tube 

615
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,960
screamer claw kind of a carbon 
copy for delay used to be the 

616
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,800
line 6, the big lines, the green
one dimension C chorus, and 

617
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,600
that's kind of it. 
I don't really fucking awesome 

618
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,560
I. 
Couldn't put that. 

619
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,920
Together for you, man. 
Yeah, next time they have that 

620
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,640
together. 
Yeah, my favorite stuff. 

621
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:32,600
Sometimes in my head I'll 
imagine it's this crazy thing, 

622
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,120
and now I'll hear it back and 
it's really just like a simple 

623
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:37,680
riff. 
But it's the it's how it's 

624
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,840
played and it's like, you know 
what I mean? 

625
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,680
The energy, everything's like. 
That like if you think like if 

626
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,680
you think, think of the greatest
riffs, right, the the all time 

627
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,720
it comes on, people know it 
immediately. 

628
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Name one that's like super hard 
to play. 

629
00:28:53,040 --> 00:29:04,800
Dude, I always think of fucking.
roasted. 

630
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,120
Dude, you guys suck. 
Blame dude. 

631
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,520
Where's Mark Holcomb? 
Holcomb is. 

632
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,600
Always the go to dude everyone. 
In me and Mark are buddies with 

633
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,960
both like PRS guys Yeah so the 
fact and by the way this is 

634
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,000
Jared's for everyone watching it
played so good. 

635
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,480
There is APRS right here that I 
was playing, but I am playing to

636
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,200
a PRS amp so everybody's good. 
Don't. 

637
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,520
Blame him. 
Just blame me. 

638
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,680
So if somebody's like mad about 
it, just be like, oh, it was 

639
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,800
Jared. 
Like putting it. 

640
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,920
I literally put it in his hands.
No PRS. 

641
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,720
Knows that I have so much love 
with him. 

642
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Dude you've done a lot with. 
PRSI got my PRS. 

643
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Here just representing how many 
years with. 

644
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:48,360
PRS 20, 30/19/90. 6 January 96 
actually just posted a photo on 

645
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,080
the anniversary of when I got my
first PRS, so yeah. 

646
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,480
January 96 So did you like meet 
Paul? 

647
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,840
Right away and like Paul. 
Two years after I got my first 

648
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,480
one, so I guess 28 years and 
they used, you know, I don't. 

649
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,200
Is there still a Nam here? 
No. 

650
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,520
OK, well, they used to do, sadly
used to be a Nam here. 

651
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,560
And Paul used to do this, that 
he would do themed booths where 

652
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,680
every guitar would be white or 
every guitar would be red. 

653
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,160
Oh, wow. 
So here I went. 

654
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,960
Every guitar was red. 
He made every single guitar just

655
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,560
like this red. 
And I got to meet Ted McCarty, 

656
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,720
which was a I'm a kid, you know,
so meeting them, and I've been 

657
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,400
with him ever since. 
This is my 4th, 4th or 5th 

658
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,040
iteration of my signature model,
Yeah. 

659
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,960
Yeah, you've done a ton. 
It's going great. 

660
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,080
I. 
And and dude, you know, to me, 

661
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,040
and you know this, I'm sure, but
like when it comes to a company 

662
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200
who's going to take care of your
artist relations, there's 

663
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,080
companies that are great at it 
and there's companies that are 

664
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,000
not great at it. 
And for me, like I'm at the 

665
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000
point now where like I always 
thought it was weird that like 

666
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,000
when you can't afford anything, 
you got to buy everything and 

667
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,600
then when you can afford 
everything, they give you 

668
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,480
everything for free. 
Totally backwards. 

669
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,400
And and that's the. 
Thing I think you should give it

670
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,240
to the up and coming kids who 
are who are struggling and need 

671
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,080
that stuff. 
But I will say like, I don't 

672
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,720
need to not pay for it. 
I'll pay for whatever. 

673
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,760
Give me a good deal on it. 
You know, don't. 

674
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,800
Yeah, hook me up the street. 
Cost but I'll but. 

675
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,640
But also all I need to know is 
like if it goes down, if I need 

676
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560
something, if I need a part, if 
I need this, it's there 

677
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,800
immediately and you answer the 
phone or you answer any. 

678
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Especially with you, man. 
It's like the stuff you're 

679
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,840
getting, you're going to be 
using. 

680
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,880
You're like, hey, I'm going. 
To need ASC 2:45 and I need 2 

681
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,520
Mccarty's a 594 and there was a 
day. 

682
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,720
There was a day you got a little
stash. 

683
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,280
Where I did that, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, I got about 260 

684
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,080
guitars right now. 
You've sent me pictures and I'm 

685
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,360
like, dude, like it's very bad. 
And I need to, I need to like, 

686
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,000
I'm the guy who feels bad that 
these guitars aren't getting 

687
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,600
played, but like, I'm also 
getting to the age where I can 

688
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,600
put some sort of sentimental 
value on anything. 

689
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,360
So I'll walk around the guitar 
room and I'll go, no, I need 

690
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,720
that one. 
Jim Root, Yeah. 

691
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,160
Your. 
Guitar room looks sick dude. 

692
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,840
Like I got up, dude. 
I got that tomato soup burst, 

693
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,280
Bonamassa that that Joe gave me.
I'm like, can't get rid of that,

694
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,920
can't get rid of that. 
Can't get rid of these things. 

695
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,120
That people gave me or like, 
I'll be like, man, this was at a

696
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200
Guitar Center sale in Peoria on 
Memorial Day. 

697
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,600
I've got a literally a telly 
that I bought at a Guitar Center

698
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,120
sale on Memorial Day in Peoria. 
And I'm like, man, I got that 

699
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,720
for so cheap. 
I can't sell it of course. 

700
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,160
So that's, that's my problem now
is I need to kind of like put 

701
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,920
like pink sticky notes on stuff 
and then just have Drew come in 

702
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,880
and like sell everything without
me knowing. 

703
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,520
Yeah, just like when I'm. 
Gone like come in and just clean

704
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,680
it out, clean house. 
Like I, you know I've made a 

705
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,000
list. 
Of 10 guitars when I was in 

706
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,120
middle school on my on my 
notebook, and I've got nine of 

707
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,280
them now. 
The only one I don't have is 

708
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,240
like a 68 Paisley telly. 
And of course, you know, I've 

709
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,040
could have bought one 100 times,
just hasn't the. 

710
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Time hasn't been right. 
This the the moment. 

711
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,160
Also it's. 
It's how you get it and that but

712
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,880
also did a little bit of it's 
like, do I want to complete this

713
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,280
list? 
Yeah, you maybe. 

714
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,760
Got to keep that baby. 
Oh, maybe you need to. 

715
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,840
Add to it just be like amend. 
Funny enough, one. 

716
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,080
Of them was like Garth Brooks 
Takamini, not a very, you know, 

717
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,440
not the most sought after 
guitar. 

718
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,480
But years ago 2014, I gave him 
one of my signature models 

719
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,840
because again to going back to 
that story wanted to wanted to 

720
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,040
play like Jimmy Page wanted to 
be like Garth Brooks. 

721
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,400
I got to give him a guitar in 
2014. 

722
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,080
I gave him my signature model. 
Dude, that's in my head, dude, 

723
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,600
this is my hero as far as 
entertainers go. 

724
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,560
And in my head I'm like this 
thing's going in a closet and I 

725
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,880
don't care. 
I don't care. 

726
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,760
I got to meet him crying, you 
know, gave him the guitar. 

727
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,080
And they, he comes out on stage 
and, like, they're halfway 

728
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,720
through the show and he's about 
to play Khan, Baton Rouge, and 

729
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,520
he comes out with my guitar, 
dude. 

730
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,760
Like, dude. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

731
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,520
And like, my wife has thoughts 
of video of me, like I'm 

732
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,440
screaming in the background. 
Nobody knew that. 

733
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Was about to happen. 
Nope, not. 

734
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Me. 
No one told me and I've since 

735
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,360
become close with Garth and his 
and his tech and and a lot of 

736
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,080
his crew. 
But that night, it's full 

737
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,480
circle. 
Right there, one of the 

738
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,680
assistants. 
Come out and they're like, hey, 

739
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,280
like, can you come back here for
a second? 

740
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,800
I'm like, you're so like Garth 
wanted. 

741
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,440
He had already laughed and he's 
like, Garth wanted to give you 

742
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,160
this. 
And it was the guitar. 

743
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,480
He played the whole tour. 
So now I have the I have the 

744
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,720
Garth Brooks Tacamini and it's 
like all chewed up dude. 

745
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,600
And I'll be honest, I it's in my
guest room of my house and I 

746
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,360
forget that it's there. 
I just did like a Cribs episode 

747
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,679
and I like forgot to show it. 
I was in there the other day 

748
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,120
talking to my wife and I'm like 
I forgot to this is like one of 

749
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,560
the most important thing I 
should have. 

750
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,840
Greeted them at the door with 
this should. 

751
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,000
Have been the door handle. 
This is my door handle to open 

752
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,280
my door my dude that. 
Story just blew my mind yeah 

753
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,800
that's crazy I. 
Grow with no money in in a very 

754
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,760
rough part of Memphis, TN and 
place called Nutbush. 

755
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,760
And so like nothing is expected 
like to the the fact that 

756
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,520
anything still happens blows my 
mind. 

757
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,159
You know I've gotten a key to my
city. 

758
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,440
Nothing means more than that you
know like to a city that I still

759
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,239
ride for to this day. 
I'll never leave. 

760
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,600
I'll never move out of that 
city. 

761
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,600
And you know, the Garth Brooks 
thing and you know, the, the how

762
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,719
more #1 billboards than anyone. 
Like it's all great, but it's 

763
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,920
like, I don't expect, you know, 
every time we release a single, 

764
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,920
I'm like, this is the last one, 
you know, not in a negative way.

765
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,000
It's just like this could. 
Be it and it's also maybe. 

766
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Trying to talk yourself into 
hyping yourself up again. 

767
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,440
That imposter syndrome. 
When it kicks in, it kicks in 

768
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,000
pretty hard. 
Sounds like it's a. 

769
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Way for you to keep an even keel
of your expectation by being 

770
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,000
like yeah, that's probably the 
last one because if you hype 

771
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
yourself up you're not going to 
make the music that's made you 

772
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,120
so successful you're you kind of
have to operate from that place 

773
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,560
of feeding yourself down a 
little bit and it's. 

774
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:26,040
I don't. 
I hate. 

775
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,440
I hate to to think of it like, I
think you might have just 

776
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,560
described it perfectly, but I 
hate to think of it as like 

777
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,400
beating myself down to keep 
humility. 

778
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,960
I don't think I could ever get 
out of humility just because 

779
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,320
again, where I came from and 
like the way I was raised, I was

780
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,360
raised by good people And like, 
but you know, the fact that I've

781
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,440
got his number on my phone or 
I've got Joe Bond, a monster, I 

782
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,400
have Garth Brooks or I have you 
can have mine. 

783
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,920
At. 
The end of the day, dude, we're 

784
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,280
just dudes who play guitar, so 
the fact that any of this has 

785
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,600
gone well is insane. 
The fact that I own anything, 

786
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,120
that's because it's more. 
Than 100. 

787
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,800
Dollars because I played the 
guitar and travelled around the 

788
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,800
world with my best friends. 
If you wrote a script, you're 

789
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,840
like, there's no way that ever 
happened, you know, And it's 

790
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,520
like, it's crazy to think of 
that. 

791
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,640
And the fact that like, again, 
I've had this life, like, dude, 

792
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,840
it's, and it comes from right? 
It all comes from the fans, 

793
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,720
right? 
So like for me, like those are 

794
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,720
the people I take so seriously. 
Like, of course, that's, that's,

795
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,840
that's the bread and butter. 
But like, again, when you take a

796
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,920
step back and you're like, dude,
you bought a house, you bought 

797
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,360
cars, you take care of your 
family, your wife, your kids 

798
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,200
because of this, because of. 
The shred bro. 

799
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,280
George Lucas isn't writing that 
dude at the beginning of time. 

800
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,760
Like come on, the quickest way 
to. 

801
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,160
Earn $1,000,000 as a guitar 
player is to start with 

802
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,840
2,000,000 let. 
Me. 

803
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,800
Just go from there. 
That's a good one, that is. 

804
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,760
So good, So what? 
What about your your guitar 

805
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,760
playing? 
You were a Blues man of sorts. 

806
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,000
I'm still a Blues guy. 
Like I can't rock solo. 

807
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,280
Listen to any Shinedown solo. 
Any one of them and you're like,

808
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,160
oh, that's just, that's the 
bluesy stuff. 

809
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,040
That's the Blues he's. 
Playing it through a diesel, 

810
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,280
yeah, yeah, it definitely. 
Is a rock'n'roll band, but 

811
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,840
they're Blues elements. 
Oh, there's there's so. 

812
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,560
Many and like you can tell like 
Eric, so like Eric will write 

813
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,640
solo sometimes Eric, our bass 
player is a phenomenal guitar 

814
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,400
player and he'll write a couple 
of solos. 

815
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Nick you can tell which ones are
him which he's like he he's a 

816
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,240
better. 
I think he's a better guitar. 

817
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,800
That's a certain. 
Kind of bass player. 

818
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Those bass players who also RIP 
guitar. 

819
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,760
Prettiest star last three. 
Albums they're next star last 

820
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,360
three just the the. 
Genius on multiple fronts. 

821
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,400
He's literally really a. 
Genius and again he he says he 

822
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,160
will tell you that I'm a better 
guitar player than him. 

823
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,440
I disagree. 
I think I'm a very consistent 

824
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,160
guitar player. 
I think once I got something I 

825
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,400
got it and but that guy can play
things that I can't play truly. 

826
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,720
It sounds like he. 
He's like all over everything 

827
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,200
now he's which is a great man. 
Bandmaker. 

828
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,000
He did a. 
Record called Air Bats says I 

829
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,080
presents as I had a name that 
came out last year and it is 

830
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,120
such an amazing rock record and 
he played everything so I mean 

831
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,240
just such a talented guy but you
can definitely hear the 

832
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,800
differences like you know 
there's solos like where you're 

833
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,160
like all right, that's that's 
probably an Ericsson probably 

834
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,600
though when. 
He watches you play, which is 

835
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,880
one of the things I like about 
your playing. 

836
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,280
There's still a reckless 
abandonment of a guitar player 

837
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,320
and there's still a little bit 
of angst behind it. 

838
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,920
And I feel like sometimes when 
people play guitar that are like

839
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,360
really great, I'll go, yeah, 
that's good. 

840
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,080
But it it doesn't needs more 
pain. 

841
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,640
It doesn't have that. 
Like black cat firecracker thing

842
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,440
where I go oh oh is it going to 
work? 

843
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,160
That can get you in trouble. 
Because. 

844
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:20,400
That's how I am. 
That's. 

845
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,120
How I play, it's very reckless, 
abandoned. 

846
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,800
We just did a song. 
Me and Brent just did a song 

847
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,640
with a another huge rock band 
and like, we go in the studio 

848
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,520
and like, they're like, all 
right. 

849
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,720
They're like just kind of riff 
on this last part of the song. 

850
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,240
Joe's also on the song. 
Joe, bottom loss, OK. 

851
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,280
I'm not going to say. 
Who it is because it hasn't come

852
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,720
out yet, but I'm doing the whole
last part of the solo at the end

853
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,040
and singer, the band, the 
producer. 

854
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,760
Like, dude, do what you just did
again. 

855
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,120
Do you have this problem? 
Oh yeah, And you're like. 

856
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,400
What did I do? 
No. 

857
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,680
I do like listen back. 
And be like, oh, I think I can 

858
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,640
get back into that head space. 
I listened back. 

859
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,040
To it to the point I listened 
back to it five times. 

860
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,200
They had to solo it where they 
had to isolate it because I was 

861
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,520
like, I don't know what I 
because again, I'm just a Blues 

862
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:05,880
kid. 
I'm just I'm playing what I'm 

863
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,960
feeling at that time. 
I don't remember now. 

864
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,320
There's been times in the studio
showing where I've written a 

865
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,520
solo diamond die solo I kind of 
crafted and came up with on the 

866
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,400
spot and, you know, put a little
few things in there here and 

867
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:24,040
there when we first met. 
Though I remember like we hung 

868
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,520
out and like Zach literally like
took me under his wing and we 

869
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,960
went and got food or whatever 
and right away we were like 

870
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,560
influences. 
A lot of the same influences. 

871
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,720
Kind of play the same style like
very much again, he like I 

872
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:36,880
can't. 
There's certain things you know,

873
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,200
that I cannot do. 
I wish I could do, but you know,

874
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,440
like that's The thing is like 
when you meet people like that 

875
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,480
that are like minded totally, 
you know, it it you kind of hit 

876
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,680
it off, brings out the best. 
In you, absolutely, but. 

877
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,040
Also it's like. 
When you don't have to like 

878
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,200
explain everything to the other 
person because they already 

879
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,760
know, look up your wavelength. 
It's like, yeah, we're good. 

880
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,320
You were describing with the. 
Songwriting dude to me. 

881
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,480
Our whole band is a racquetball 
court now. 

882
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,360
How cool. 
That's a great. 

883
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Way to think about bounce the 
ball and. 

884
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,200
Someone's going to catch the 
ball or someone's going to hit 

885
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,360
the ball. 
And literally that's my favorite

886
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,600
thing about like, you know, it's
weird. 

887
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,240
I respect these writers so much 
that Jason Isbell is a really 

888
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:13,440
good friend of mine, obviously 
another another mayor guy where 

889
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,800
it's like greatest songwriter, 
probably the greatest songwriter

890
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,760
of this generation truly as far 
as I'm concerned, and just 

891
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,160
incredible guitar player. 
He is incredible. 

892
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,400
So incredible. 
And different of how he plays, 

893
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,600
but same thing, right? 
Like, I'll watch that guy and 

894
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,160
I'm like, I have people send me.
Clips of Jason playing, they'll 

895
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,280
be like, dude, I was I'm at the 
concert and they'll send me a 

896
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,840
clip and I'll look at it. 
I'll be like what the like even 

897
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,000
to this now I go, he's so good. 
He's so. 

898
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,480
Good. 
But like watching guys like that

899
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,200
play, you know, like that, that 
inspires you to go, man, what 

900
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,640
the fuck am I doing? 
You know what I mean? 

901
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,280
Like it's, it's it's pretty cool
to see. 

902
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,080
You know, I love bands that make
a sound. 

903
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,000
You know, I look back at like 
you watch, you know, that early 

904
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,080
STP stuff like rock, as far as 
rock bands, you know, and like, 

905
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,280
you know, there's bands that you
know how to sound Pink Floyd, 

906
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,640
Zeppelin, awesome. 
But the bands that came out 

907
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,960
later, you know, you, you look 
even bands like Velvet Revolver,

908
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,280
which is I was just going to 
say. 

909
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,360
Velvet Revolver on an Audioslave
in that era. 

910
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,680
It was like, oh dude, when that.
Audioslave Record came out those

911
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,880
bands. 
Like this might be the. 

912
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,880
Best rock band of the next 20 
years when you but. 

913
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,960
When you hear that, when you 
hear a song, you're like, I know

914
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,160
who that is. 
And that that's to me the most 

915
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,000
important thing like like 
knowledge by being audible, 

916
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,320
you're like, all right, well, I 
hear this. 

917
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,720
I know who this is. 
Like if I play a riff, I would 

918
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,880
love for someone to like. 
And that's the thing when we 

919
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,680
just came out with a new single 
called Safe and Sound. 

920
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,240
They hear it and they're like. 
I think that's the best. 

921
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,080
That's the best dude. 
What's what's exciting? 

922
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,720
About this new record that we 
can expect, we kind of threw. 

923
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:44,160
Everything at it. 
So there's there are definitely 

924
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,800
again, we're not we're not a 
look back. 

925
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,360
Bam, we've never done a greatest
hits. 

926
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,640
We've never done. 
We're not interested, which you 

927
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,800
probably. 
Could we? 

928
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,200
Probably. 
Do 2 of them in there. 

929
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,520
Yeah, seriously. 
No interest. 

930
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,520
We're again, we're not a look 
back, Bam, but there's 

931
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,880
definitely nods. 
I think on the last record we 

932
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,400
started like we like referenced 
the song 45 and a new song and 

933
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,080
like we were so anti that for so
long where it's like again, 

934
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,880
we're not going to look back, 
but we'll do little nods and 

935
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,360
like like save and sound like 
that. 

936
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,400
There's another couple songs on 
there that sound like they could

937
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,160
have been from sound to madness.
And so for me, what's exciting 

938
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,680
about this record is it's very 
eclectic, like every record we 

939
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,680
do we, you know, I call 
Shinedown a no lane highway. 

940
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,200
So you kind of, you can have the
poppy stuff, you can have the 

941
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,080
rock stuff, you know, and, and 
that was kind of the, the best 

942
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,360
reaction to me about when safe 
and sound came out was that 

943
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,160
they're like, I think some 
people thought we'd kind of like

944
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,600
lost it for a minute as far as 
like that heavy kind of like, 

945
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,520
and then you slap. 
That one on them. 

946
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,360
Take this and there's more. 
There's more of those on the 

947
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,040
record. 
So I'm excited, man. 

948
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,520
You know, it's, it's, it feels 
like in a way, like I said this 

949
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,400
to to Brent, like, you know, 
Eric did this record. 

950
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,360
We did it in his studio. 
It's like we used pretty much 

951
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,240
every song we wrote for it. 
Like it feels like the end of a 

952
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,560
certain era of us, not the end 
of our band. 

953
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,240
Obviously we're still 4 best 
friends and like our band gets 

954
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:02,720
long better than any band I've 
ever seen. 

955
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:05,520
That's so awesome. 
And but it feels like the end of

956
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,840
something in a way. 
And it may be our last record on

957
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,520
our label. 
We don't know. 

958
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,840
We'll see what they what they 
decide to do, but this was the 

959
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,440
last one of our extension from 
the first time. 

960
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,320
So, you know, it's it's a, it's 
a record that I'm really looking

961
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,600
forward to. 
Eric crushed it again. 

962
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,880
You know, we kind of on records,
it's like he'll get frustrated 

963
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,440
and go hand me the base and go, 
all right, you're playing 

964
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,880
baseless. 
And I'll get frustrated and hand

965
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,680
him the car because he'll it's a
song that he wrote. 

966
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,720
I'm like, I don't know how to 
fuck. 

967
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:32,200
Yeah, you play. 
It that must be kind of. 

968
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,080
A relief as a band to be like, 
well, dude, that's a real. 

969
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,600
Team man, Yeah, man, dude, he's.
Again, man, our whole band is is

970
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,080
that it's it's it's it's all for
one, one for all. 

971
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,480
And in the sense of like, you 
know, it's it's very community. 

972
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,800
And but as far as Eric goes, 
like we started the tour last 

973
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:56,120
year in Des Moines. 
I wake up that morning and I'm 

974
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,200
like, I feel a little off 
anyway, take a piss. 

975
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,360
There's like a white towel down 
on the floor back when there's 

976
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,960
like a red drop that hits the 
towel. 

977
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,360
And I'm like, oh God, I'm dying.
I have can't, you know. 

978
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,920
And then I call, we have like a 
band doctor and I text him. 

979
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,920
I'm like, dude, I don't know 
what this is. 

980
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,680
He's like, buddy, I think you I 
had kidney stones two years 

981
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,200
before. 
He goes, I think you got kidney 

982
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,440
stones again. 
I go, no, I go and I'm texting 

983
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,960
him. 
I go, I don't feel. 

984
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,280
And the second I typed feel my 
side started hurting and I was 

985
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,160
like Oh no no. 
The night. 

986
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,920
The Tour. 
Starts 13,000 people sold out. 

987
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,720
I don't know what the. 
What kidney stones are like? 

988
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,960
I know what it is to pass them, 
but what is it like when you 

989
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,640
have them like that? 
Passing them is. 

990
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,560
Nothing. 
Yeah, but. 

991
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Playing You can't do that right 
Or I. 

992
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,920
Did no dude, the amount of text 
I got from my peers in this 

993
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,280
industry for doing that because 
so I the first time I got them. 

994
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,640
We're in Connecticut. 
I passed it before the show. 

995
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,520
I was I was good. 
I went to the hospital the night

996
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,760
before this day main support 
bands about to be getting off 

997
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,440
stage. 
I'm still laying in a hospital 

998
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,600
bed. 
Oh no. 

999
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Show up. 
I'm you know, I'm I've never 

1000
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,720
done the fun thing about fact 
about being never done a drug in

1001
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,720
my life. 
Don't drink like never even 

1002
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:10,800
smoked weed. 
Like none of that. 

1003
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,040
I'm higher than an eagle's Dick 
at this point dude. 

1004
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,720
I'm on court all I'm on before 
it all. 

1005
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,760
I'm on fentanyl before fentanyl.
Was really what it is today pre.

1006
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,720
In the news, so and I do the 
show. 

1007
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,480
But anyway, the point of that 
story is that day, because our 

1008
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,040
band is who our band is. 
Eric goes into because we run. 

1009
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,880
We do run. 
I know that's a big debate, but 

1010
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,120
we run tracks like string tracks
and like, it's not stuff that 

1011
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,960
you're. 
Playing it's ambiance that's the

1012
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,920
biggest. 
Misconception about when I say 

1013
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,640
I'm cool with it because like 
everything you're hearing on the

1014
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,680
stage that ain't on there, yeah,
you could turn that off and no 

1015
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:51,600
one in the crowd is going to 
know. 

1016
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,560
But it's, you know, Second 
Chance is a 40 piece orchestra. 

1017
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,760
I want people to hear that 
there. 

1018
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,200
There's no vocals, There's no, 
you know, there's no guitars 

1019
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,400
running. 
No, but also it comes. 

1020
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,920
Down to that's, that's like an 
entertainment aspect. 

1021
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,600
Yeah, dude. 
I want it sound fuller, but 

1022
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,200
yeah, there's no guitars, no 
drums. 

1023
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,600
Everyone. 
Everything you see us doing, 

1024
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,400
we're doing. 
Yeah, yeah, for better or worse 

1025
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,800
some nights. 
But so we Eric went and recorded

1026
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,400
bass for the whole set list and 
to the system and sat down and 

1027
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,960
learned every guitar part for 
the whole show. 19 songs and was

1028
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,120
like ready to go as a three 
piece with bass on track just in

1029
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,760
case just so we didn't let 
people down. 

1030
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,440
So like dude, that's the 
community of our band where like

1031
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,440
that guy takes his whole 
literally his whole day from 

1032
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,160
noon on set there. 
We have a jam room backstage 

1033
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,800
which has a drone case, guitar 
and set there all day. 

1034
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,920
You know why? 
You're lucky to have that guy is

1035
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,680
because that guy thought that 
was fun. 

1036
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,040
Yeah, dude, he loved me. 
I think I'm. 

1037
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:49,960
Going to be. 
Honest. 

1038
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,880
I'm going to be honest. 
I think he was bummed when I 

1039
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,080
showed up. 
Yeah, he showed up. 

1040
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,600
He was like, I was going to play
guitar. 

1041
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,320
He was like, dude, I was looking
forward to it because he is a 

1042
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,880
guitar player first. 
So hold up you. 

1043
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,720
Did you pass the kid? 
Yeah. 

1044
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:01,160
So what happened? 
So I did the first. 

1045
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,240
Three shows with kidney stones. 
It was awful. 

1046
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,000
Oh my. 
Gosh, it was awful it. 

1047
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,240
Was awful, I was doing 3 Ivs a 
day just trying to pass fluids 

1048
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Ivs. 
Massage red. 

1049
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,960
Light I was doing everything I 
could do two days off in 

1050
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,720
Michigan, I text our head of 
security and I go, dude, I'm 

1051
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,640
going to end my life if I do not
get this take care of. 

1052
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,280
He calls our band doctor. 
We go in the back door of 

1053
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,360
University of Michigan Hospital 
walk in. 

1054
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,720
I'm in surgery in 10 minutes. 
Here's the best up part. 

1055
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,480
They had to leave a stint in. 
If you don't know what that's 

1056
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,080
like for a man, it goes from 
where you think it goes all the 

1057
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,640
way to your kidney. 
Dude, I would have rather have 

1058
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,320
had the kidney stones. 
Oh. 

1059
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,560
No, right? 
More like a so like in our 

1060
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,400
stage, our stage. 
Takes up the. 

1061
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Whole arena floor and again I 
don't loiter on stage no, you're

1062
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,320
running it's a full contact 
sport yeah you're you're like. 

1063
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,120
WWF up there my our show. 
Is a rugby match, Yeah, they're.

1064
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,920
Ripping I'm I'm running. 
Around I'm again, I'm not gentle

1065
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,000
on a guitar No and I dude, I I'm
walking like an old I'm like. 

1066
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,840
I couldn't keep my legs. 
Together because it hurt so bad 

1067
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,040
a couple of the before I went in
the surgery, a couple of the 

1068
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,000
nurses like can we take a 
picture? 

1069
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,120
I was like, yes, you're and so 
he's in the. 

1070
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,000
Ground he's like what's up? 
So like I think the. 

1071
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,720
Doctor thought I was being like 
an asshole about this, but at 

1072
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,360
the end of surgery goes, hey, we
have to we have to leave a stent

1073
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,320
in there. 
And I'm also high out of my 

1074
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,680
mind. 
I just came out of so you can't.

1075
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,520
Even feel it yet anyway and. 
I go, he goes. 

1076
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,000
So whenever it was like 5 days 
from then, it was like, I was 

1077
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,960
like, wow, I'm being New 
Orleans. 

1078
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,640
She's like, so you're going to 
have to just pull it out and I 

1079
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,920
go. 
And I think he thought I was 

1080
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,280
being like pretentious because 
the couple of nurses knew who I 

1081
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,360
was. 
I go, I go, do you recognize me?

1082
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,600
He goes, I know some of the 
nurses. 

1083
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,240
I go, no, no, do you recognize 
me? 

1084
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:48,760
I go. 
That's because I don't work 

1085
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,320
here. 
I'm not pulling this thing out, 

1086
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,920
dude. 
I had to pull it out myself. 

1087
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,960
I was pissed. 
God, he did it. 

1088
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,840
How bad? 
Did that hurt? 

1089
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,680
It wasn't fun. 
You had to go. 

1090
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,320
Slow and steady. 
Well, that's what I. 

1091
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,520
Texted my doctor. 
I go, I go do I RIP do I? 

1092
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,760
He goes, he goes medium, just 
medium and just once you. 

1093
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,720
Start, don't stop. 
Once you start, don't stop. 

1094
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,520
That's it. 
And like once you here's the 

1095
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,720
thing, it's the psyching 
yourself up to do it. 

1096
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,720
Once I did it, it felt like I 
never had a kidney stump. 

1097
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,200
I was like walking. 
I was like I was sex to my wife.

1098
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,480
Great. 
This is the greatest thing this 

1099
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,040
ever. 
Like I feel like a normal human 

1100
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,080
being. 
Wow. 

1101
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,800
Anyway, don't get Kitty stumps, 
kids.