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Yeah, we started doing this. 
Tyler had this idea. 

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I came over and did some 
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He used to have his like 
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interviews or I did an interview
with him and we just kind of hit

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it off, like you were all around
the same age, but and he's like,

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dude, I think we should do a 
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I was like, I know. 
Exactly how I said it. 

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I was like man people would love
to hear his yap. 

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You got tuner? 
Oh yeah, It's all tuned up. 

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You're all good. 
Yeah, I've gotten, I've gotten 

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better at my guest rigs. 
Oh yeah, man. 

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Well with you it's easy bro, 
it's just you just better tuner 

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down. 
Well, we will we. 

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Will take out some electric 
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that's if that's cool with. 
You you got a few. 

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I got a few you can choose from.
Or two days ago, he hit me up 

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and he's like, dude, have you 
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And I was like, yes. 
We'll start with these acoustic 

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guitars. 
So why did you get drawn to 

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acoustic guitar before electric?
Or why has that become your 

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instrument of choice? 
Yeah, man, I grew up I guess 

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listening to more acoustic 
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And then I remember when I, when
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probably wanted to play an 
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lessons from was like, you 
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and kind of get that down and 
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electric later. 
And then I got way into acoustic

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and like I stuck with it for, 
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got a telly and. 
How old were you? 

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10. 
Wow, 10 years old, cool man. 

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What was the song that you 
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that annoyed the hell out of 
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I was, I was like into way older
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So I was like into flying 
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And so there's nothing and 
there's a lot of like pretty 

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simple single line tunes like 
Wildwood Flower and all that 

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kind of stuff. 
Dude, give me a little sample 

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there you. 
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we're not quite at Blues or like
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are. 
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Dude, you're dealing with it. 
You're dealing with a bunch of 

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punks over. 
Here, feel free to demonstrate 

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at any moment when our eyes 
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Yeah, it is all like real 
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Stuff like that, you know, it's 
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Thing. 
A variation did. 

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You have Did your dad or your 
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play guitar? 
Especially like the bluegrass 

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stuff? 
Who was listening to it? 

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No, my dad played banjo when I 
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mechanic and like he had a shop 
Outback so come in from work and

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then like go work on that and he
never really like focused on the

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banjo. 
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And so he picked up, you know, 
probably 5 songs. 

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Do you play banjo? 
Very. 

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I used to play more, but I don't

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it's it's so loud and obnoxious.
I don't even have one anymore, 

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you know, But he was always like
pretty good and then but nobody 

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played guitar. 
Like he was the only one that I 

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ever grew up in my family that I
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generations back maybe, but 
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Now we're around the same age, 
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acoustic really heavy at the 
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hearing all this stuff we were 
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early 2000s, but I think about 
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was like new metal back then. 
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as a 10 year old. 
I was like, I was hearing like 

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Limp Bizkit and stuff on the. 
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Rolling Dude, I had that. 
I definitely damaged my hearing 

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at age 12 because of hearing 
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For me, I was listening to like 
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So it was all like Cream and you
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dad had that going. 
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missed out on everything, like 
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you know, like it was so 
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household in some country, but 
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extension of the bluegrass world
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I saw a video of you. 
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It was probably a few weeks ago 
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playing with like Marty Stewart.
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Yeah, what was that? 
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the town. 

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Yeah, I started, like I said, 
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I met Marty. 
He was playing out in East 

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Tennessee, where I'm from, at a 
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year 2000. 
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transitional year for him, where
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He just did that Pilgrim album, 
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Marty Stewart record, and he was
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band that he's got now, the 
Fabulous Superlatives, but he 

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was kind of doing the 
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the name of the band then. 
It was a very loud country band.

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He was still using like 2 Twin 
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that fair, I knew like 3 songs. 
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I was wanting to sign my guitar 
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for him backstage and he got me 
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were all like girl Scruggs 
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So he whenever he invited me to 
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later, he got Earl to come out 
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That was what I saw. 
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Yeah, that was. 
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I. 
Think I've been playing around 9

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months at that time so luckily I
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that's all I really. 
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and he's like, what? 
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the, the one that I actually 
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And then I, I came back out at 
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Foggy Mountain breakdown or 
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Dude that is so. 
What a cool core memory. 

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Like I said, I grew up listening
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was my first memory of wanting 
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records and like seeing Earl 
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covers. 
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so at the times would have been 
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So it was only, you know, still 
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renovated the Ryman backstage 
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they put me and are all in the 
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there and ask him questions. 
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nerves had dissipated. 
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I wasn't really nervous at all. 
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from my hometown drove to 
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of them. 
Dude you had like a legit like a

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roadway the. 
Tip of the tickets at the Ryman 

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that night to hometown folks. 
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fun. 
A lot, a lot of family there. 

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What advice did he give you 
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Do you remember anything that 
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It was not Earl was kind of, it 
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So it was nothing like ever. 
You know, you should do this. 

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You should. 
Here's what I'll say to change 

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your life. 
Yeah, there was nothing like 

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that, but it was a lot of like, 
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and he played with a thumb pick 
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because he played banjo. 
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these notes that he was playing,
you know, like I would do them 

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if it was. 
Like all this? 

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Hold up dude, are you? 
Are you like a big Chet Atkins 

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guy? 
I wasn't, but I I have become 

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one like, you know, listen to 
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so forward and it's so weird 
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Merle Travis and that's like, 
you know, two finger. 

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You don't use your middle finger
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Man, that's wild that you're 
able to like, that's like, it's 

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almost like the classical thing 
where there's like such strict 

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rules, but obviously they're 
player specific almost or like 

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style specific. 
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Merle Travis stuff until, I 
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But I guess like to the 21 or 
something like that was the 50th

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anniversary of that Nitty Gritty
Dirt band, will a Circle Be 

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Unbroken album? 
And they did two nights at the 

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Country Music Hall of Fame 
Theater. 

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They wanted like a particular 
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a person that was on that 
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So they had Carly and Carter did
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And anyway, they asked me to do 
Merle Travis stuff and I, I was 

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just like, yeah, of course. 
I'll be there. 

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And then like the the 
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don't play that style. 
So I had to buy like a thumb 

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pick and a finger pick and sit 
there and just get it all trying

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to trying to work that out. 
You know I. 

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Don't. 
I've have a similar story where 

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I joined an Incubus cover band 
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songs, but I loved them. 
I was like, yeah, I could join 

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an Incubus cover band. 
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all the songs and all the 
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I'm like, oh, I got it. 
I got to put my money where my 

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mouth is, right? 
Now, well, I think it's a. 

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It's a it's like a testament, 
Like I've said that to a lot of 

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people. 
It's like there's been times 

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where I've been asked to do 
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And I and I go of course, like, 
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I'll figure that's for future 
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You're you're on the way home. 
You're like, all right, let me 

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let me figure this out and then 
you just dive in. 

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That's it. 
I mean, yeah. 

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And I think it makes you a 
better player if it works out. 

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Yeah, 100%. 
Even if it doesn't work out, it 

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makes. 
You better, yeah, it humbles 

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you. 
Which is a state of being that I

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find a lot of our guests are in.
Is this humility state of 

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they're all so great and yet 
always searching? 

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And it is, yeah. 
Dude, you're sitting right where

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Tommy Emmanuel is AT, and I know
you and Tommy are homies, but he

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had such great things to say 
about you. 

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But it's like the same thing on 
the acoustic level. 

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I feel like there's so many. 
It's just endless. 

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So it's like once you've once 
you know that it's, you're never

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going to master it. 
It's like the guitar. 

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It's like you know, you're 
you're the ultimate. 

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Acoustic guitar in particular, 
we should talk more about just 

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the way you work with that 
versus an electric guitar. 

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And is there some sort of 
technique or lesson that you 

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would give somebody switching 
from electric to acoustic or 

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like wanting to go down a path 
like yours? 

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And he and he just like, oh duh,
obvious stuff. 

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Yeah, I mean, it's it's it is 
weird because and even for me, 

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like personally, I use pretty 
heavy gauge strings on electric 

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or on acoustic, like 13 to 56 
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And so it's, you know, two 
different worlds and I treat it 

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as if it's two different 
instruments. 

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You know, obviously there's a 
different touch to it. 

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Acoustic guitars for the way I 
play is so like right hand 

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specific that I feel like that's
the biggest like when I'm 

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teaching somebody, especially 
that's that's going from 

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electric to acoustic. 
That always seems to be be the 

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biggest hang up for like 
learning flat picking is getting

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the right hand stuff down for 
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Like there's so many cross 
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just alternate picking, but it's
thinking of it in like series of

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three notes. 
So 

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left hand and just practice the 
cross picking thing. 

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Just going just that. 
Yes, they're like. 

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Without even any notes maybe. 
Or, and I've talked about 

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before, like doing 6 like And 
just getting the right hand 

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thing that and also I try not to
like there's so many I can get 

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into the like the weeds. 
Please do you know not touching 

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the the bridge pins really with 
your right hand? 

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Like, oh wow, so you're almost 
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You're kind of hovering above. 
Dude, this is great for me 

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'cause I don't even use a. 
Pig dude, no problem. 

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I love it. 
No, keep going, keep going. 

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Yeah. 
So it's, it's, it's a weird 

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thing and I like, I had these, 
these hand problems. 

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We were on the road with Tommy 
Speaking of like in 2019. 

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And I think I just started, when
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Dreadnought, so a big guitar, 
you know, and I would just 

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always lay my hand back here and
everything pivoted from that 

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point and it just really messed 
up my forearm. 

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Like physically you had pain. 
Out the first night of that run 

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with Tommy, it was Tommy and 
Grisman. 

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David Grisman and I was in a duo
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show and then Tommy and Grisman 
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would play some with Tommy and 
like first song of my duo set, 

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my hand would just lock up. 
It locked up the. 

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Whole night, you know, of my 
forearm just totally locked. 

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The next year, you know, 
everything kind of shut down. 

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And so I had all that time to 
really just focus on right hand.

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Did you play through the pain 
where you just like I'm going 

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through? 
I would, yeah. 

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Just, you know, I didn't cancel 
anything and but I knew that 

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like especially when I get on 
stage with Tommy and everything 

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like the, you know. 
The adrenaline goes and you 

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don't. 
Realize. 

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Exactly. 
And then you go backstage and 

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it's like, I felt like I was 
just done, you know? 

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A lot of people don't talk about
that with guitar especially is 

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like the physical toll it can 
have, especially when you go 

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from playing at home or you're 
jamming, you know? 

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But then when you get in that 
context where you're on stage 

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and it's like, hey, it's like, 
you know, fight or flight kind 

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of vibe and you go for it. 
A lot of people, I don't think, 

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realize how much of A toll it 
takes on your hands, your 

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ligaments, your arms. 
I mean there's a lot of stuff 

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that I mean a lot of micro 
muscles and everything else that

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are getting. 
So that was your technique up to

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that point that you had to 
adjust then I. 

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Do feel like it was well, I know
it was all technique based 

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because once I changed my right 
hand form, that helped a lot and

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just getting used to like, I 
think I mean there's so many 

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different players we talked 
about, you know, with that with 

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Chet Atkins and Merle Travis. 
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watching Tony Rice play like his
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just his like he had gotten it 
down to where it was just his 

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thumb and his index finger that 
moved and it. 

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But he played really softly. 
And so when he was playing with 

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a band, yeah, everybody had to 
quiet. 

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Yeah, he had to. 
Come down to really accommodate 

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him and I've always been the 
opposite of that spectrum and I 

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kind of play hard. 
Trey will be heard. 

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Well, I feel like, dude, I feel 
like you do have that, that 

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attack. 
Yeah, it's a little, and it's a 

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little brash, you know, And I 
always try to be louder than the

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banjo players and whatever else,
you know? 

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It all comes back to the banjos.
The banjo future to the banjo. 

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But and then like, you know, 
even I got way into like how my 

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pick hits the string and making 
sure the picks flat at all 

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times. 
You know, like I'm. 

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Which is where that term flat 
picking. 

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I've only ever heard that with. 
Yeah, acoustic style. 

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Yeah, it's like, I mean, 
everybody uses a flat pick. 

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Right, that's why I was like, 
you mean picking or? 

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Do you do you use a specific 
guitar pick? 

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Like do you have like your 
favorite or do you switch them 

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out? 
I switch them out between like 3

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or 4 different kinds. 
Like Right now I'm using this. 

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It's a token, but they're all 
kind of variations of like there

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was this company called Blue 
Chip. 

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Oh. 
I've heard of them. 

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And they, they were like the 
first ones because I used to use

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tortoiseshell, you know, people 
would buy like Combs. 

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And yeah, there you go. 
No, but real tortoise shell, 

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right? 
You don't mean Tortex? 

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Tyler goes the one with the 
turtle. 

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You know this one's. 
Legal. 

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Well, you're kind of right. 
I didn't murder any tortoises. 

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So where'd you get a piece of 
turtle? 

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Did you? 
You know, like these people out 

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in Easton's who would buy, go to
like antique shops and buy Combs

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or, you know, like, yeah, like 
the big cigarette trays or 

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whatever they would you could 
find and then cut them up. 

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Shave off a shit, yeah. 
And but they, they, they sounded

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OK, but like, you would have to 
work on them continuously 

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because they, it's, you know, a 
piece of material. 

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It'll. 
Start to go. 

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Yeah, so this this guy in 
Knoxville created these blue 

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chip pics back. 
I mean, I don't even plan a few 

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few years when he came up with 
those and I used those like 

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specifically for 20 years. 
I I think I saw those at 

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Carter's years ago. 
They're like 40 bucks apiece, 

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right? 
Yeah, I remember that serious. 

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Some of these guitar players 
would show me like 1. 

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Dude was like, check it out. 
Like he showed, he showed me his

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his blue chip and I was kind of 
like sick pick dude. 

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You're only as good as how much 
your pick. 

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Costs, that's right. 
Yes, we're down to that now. 

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Do you still use that? 
I've got some that I use quite a

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bit and these are the same. 
And then like I've got a so 

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somewhere a tone slab that that 
are really nice, but they're all

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made out of it. 
Yeah, they're tone slab. 

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They're. 
What are the points of the 

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different picks, no pun 
intended? 

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Like what's the reason for using
one versus the other? 

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Well, I well for those three, 
it's just different tones for 

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me, like the blue chip, I still 
like the blue chip quite a bit. 

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They just, I mean the when it 
gets to this, I don't know what 

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the material is, but whatever 
the material is like a really 

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hard piece play. 
They're very thick and and when 

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you hit the string like the to 
me the the notes are rounder. 

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Can I feel your pick, dude? 
Oh, that is pretty thick, dude. 

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That's pretty bad. 
I like you can use this damn 

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thing as a frisbee, dude. 
Oh yeah. 

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Here's the tone slab. 
Oh, that's even. 

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That's badass. 
This thing is like a base pick 

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to me, yeah. 
You know, Steve, Steve Warner. 

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I was just, I was just riding 
with him and he he kept one of 

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the tone slabs. 
He goes, hey man, you got to 

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pick for my bass. 
You're like, Yep. 

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So he, he kept, I think he 
bought a couple just for bass, 

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you know, because it's, it is a 
nice bass pick, but. 

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So it's, it's a volume thing, a 
tone thing. 

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Is it a mindset? 
If you're playing a heavier 

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versus lighter versus different 
material, do you tend to play a 

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certain way? 
Yeah, I mean like if I'm playing

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in the studio, I'll bring, you 
know, Altoid can full of 100 

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different pics and you know, and
for different guitars, obviously

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it's a different thing. 
I mean, I'm I'm almost always 

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playing the big, you know, 
Dreadnought. 

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I don't do as much in the studio
anymore for, you know, playing 

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on other people's records. 
But when I was, I would just 

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bring a whole bunch of stuff. 
Did you do that A lot were. 

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You not a ton, but I would do 
some when I was here and I like 

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it. 
It's just I think I'm so I don't

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know. 
I've always worked on my thing. 

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I know the feeling. 
You know, it's like even when I 

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play on somebody elses records, 
I don't, I'm not a great 

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chameleon, you know, and I feel 
like I always stick out. 

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I feel like I meet a lot of 
players that are that and, and 

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they could do like an amazing 
cover band gig or they can walk 

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into a session and sound like 20
different players. 

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And one of my biggest faults is 
that no matter what I pick up, I

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sound like me. 
And then if you want that, I got

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that. 
But it's, I remember one time 

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someone goes, dude, we need like
a edge thing. 

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And I was like, oh God, I was 
like, you need to go find 

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somebody else, bro, because I 
don't even know how to do that. 

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I always love there's a great 
Buddy Emmons story, you know, a 

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great pedal steel player and he 
was playing on a session and 

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they wanted him to play like 
somebody else. 

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And they said the other person's
name and it just came on the 

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talk back and said you hire 
Buddy Emmons, you get Buddy 

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Emmons. 
You know that's a badass. 

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Yeah, I mean, also that's like 
the calling card and I think 

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that what defines you, 
especially with the instrument, 

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you know, it's like you have 
your own sound, your style and 

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and that's what that's what 
works. 

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It obviously LED you to glorious
heights because you just won a 

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Grammy for the best Blues album 
of the year. 

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Not a bad feather in the cap. 
Dude how did that feel? 

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I saw the pictures of you, your 
wife and your daughter I 

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believe. 
Oh yeah, yeah, that was awesome.

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Dressed up. 
That was great. 

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Yeah, I was. 
So my, I did this album in like 

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2014 with Rob Ikes that was 
nominated for the bluegrass 

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album that year. 
And so my daughter was a newborn

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at that time. 
Me and my wife went, but she 

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didn't get to go. 
And so this time I got to bring 

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my daughter and, and my wife and
yeah, we had a great time 

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because, I mean, my daughter's, 
she's into music a little bit. 

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And I've never, like, pushed my 
music on her that much, as much 

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as I would like to, you know, 
like, make, you know, make her 

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listen here, listen to Zeppelin.
Sweetheart, get in here quick. 

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Well, you got to hear this. 
She's, she's, she does a great 

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Tom Waits impersonation, which 
is hilarious, you know, amazing.

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That's how you know you're 
raising your child, right? 

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And so, but she was all into 
like, you know, Taylor Swift and

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Sabrina Carpenter and all the 
stuff that's huge at the 

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Grammys. 
And, but I do have a great 

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picture because I, I, you know, 
like I've met some people 

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through social media. 
And so like Mike Dirt of Green 

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Day was there and so we get to 
hang with him and, and then like

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Rob Halford was there and it 
sound like I got to introduce my

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daughter to Rob Halford. 
That's she didn't know. 

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That's cool now, but. 
She one day, though, she'll see 

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that picture and she'll be like,
whoa, you know, even if she's 

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not like a priest fan, like 
it'll eventually click in like, 

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holy crap. 
Like yeah dude, what a great 

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honor man. 
Congratulations. 

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Oh, thanks, man. 
Yeah, that was that was pretty 

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great. 
I mean, it was a record I did 

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with Taj Mahal, which was way 
cool. 

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What's some highlights on that 
record that particularly stick 

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out? 
It's funny. 

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I mean, that record it, it was 
just total happenstance, like 

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album because it's a live record
and we had done probably like a 

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month's worth of shows that 
year. 

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Or I'd done with Taj and just 
going out. 

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Like I would sing some songs 
and, but I was playing all the 

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guitar for the show. 
He wasn't playing at all. 

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And, and then later on that 
year, he we, we did the tour and

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then we had started like a 
studio album pre COVID, like 

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February 2020 and we got half a 
record done and then we never 

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finished it. 
And so when Taj called later 

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after the tour was over and he 
said they had just renovated 

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Leon Russell Studio in Tulsa and
I don't think they'd had anybody

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in there yet. 
And they were kind of wanting 

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Todd to be the one of the first 
live recordings that they did 

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there. 
And so we did that show. 

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And it's because when when we 
did the tour, as most tours, 

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like the longer the tour went, 
the more refined the setlist 

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went. 
And we kind of by the end of it,

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we were doing a pretty standard 
set and had everything kind of 

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feeling good. 
And, but then when we did the 

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live record, we we rehearsed and
rehearsed all the songs we were 

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doing on tour. 
And I love it. 

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But at the time it was weird 
because Todd was just calling 

443
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,800
tunes and it was like, you know,
brand new stuff we never played.

444
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,920
And this was live and, you know,
in front of people. 

445
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,120
And, and so I remember that 
night leaving and just not 

446
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,160
feeling very confident in what I
did. 

447
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,360
And and then a few years later, 
you know, they're like, oh, 

448
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,520
we're going to put that record 
out and I'm saying. 

449
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,720
You're like what? 
Yeah, I'm singing like two or 

450
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,360
three of the songs on it and 
those we did, you know, during 

451
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,920
the tour. 
And so I felt confident. 

452
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:07,360
Everything else, I was a little 
shaky, you know, But when it 

453
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,320
came out, came out great, you 
know, and, and. 

454
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,200
I'll say. 
There's kind of a thing, though,

455
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,000
when it's shaky. 
It is, yeah. 

456
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,800
There's a, There's a. 
There's energy. 

457
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,960
And there's a complete energy on
that record. 

458
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,560
And I think, you know, what's 
the, I've, I've heard like when 

459
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,160
Don Williams would go in to 
record and he would bring his 

460
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,520
band from the road, but he would
make them all change instruments

461
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,120
and to like, get them to be 
uncomfortable, you know? 

462
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,480
And so when you hear like some 
of those records when it's real 

463
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,480
sparse, it's like it's because 
the musicians didn't know what 

464
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,120
to do. 
Hey, the guitar player's on the 

465
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,720
drums and he's like. 
There's no bass pedal. 

466
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,280
The the bass drum doesn't go 
with the crash. 

467
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,840
That was always my weakness. 
Gosh, that's. 

468
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,680
That's that just came out. 
That took a while. 

469
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,560
I mean that it was live in the 
studio, but it just took a while

470
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,800
to actually make time to do it. 
And now I'm working on another 

471
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,720
record I with Brian Sutton 
producing it. 

472
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,520
And yes, we've got like 4 tracks
done for that. 

473
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,480
Awesome man. 
But it's a little, it's, it's 

474
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,520
always kind of weird because, 
you know, the new record just 

475
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,760
come out and I'm touring it this
year pretty heavily. 

476
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,000
So like, I mean, I want to be 
excited about it, but by the 

477
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,720
time they come out, you know? 
You're already under the next 

478
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480
thing, a. 
Million times and through mixing

479
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,520
or whatever. 
Where does your songwriting 

480
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,680
voice come from on these albums?
When it comes to your specific 

481
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,800
style of music? 
Do you have an identity that 

482
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,120
you've forged from multiple 
players? 

483
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,840
Do you feel like you have a 
certain signature that defines 

484
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,800
you? 
What would you say? 

485
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,000
I don't know. 
I mean, it's like the 

486
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,760
songwriting part of it is so 
abstract to me and I don't get 

487
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240
it really. 
You know, it's, it's, it was one

488
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,240
of those things that happened 
for me. 

489
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,520
Like later, I was just always 
been a guitar player. 

490
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,120
I was really focused on that. 
And then I sang. 

491
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,680
I was saying, but it's that's 
never been my favorite part of 

492
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:06,880
playing. 
Yeah. 

493
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,360
Like I was just playing guitar, 
you know, And then when I, oh, 

494
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,160
and I would just always do cover
songs. 

495
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,800
But then when it comes to 
songwriting, yeah, that's, 

496
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,880
that's always still been a 
little bit of a mystery. 

497
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,800
And I think I've never written 
any Like everything's just 

498
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,400
always from an outside 
perspective. 

499
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,840
And so that makes it a little 
easier to digest from me, but. 

500
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,560
Well, it's funny because you can
nail a lick and that's 

501
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,160
objectively like you just nailed
that lick, but with a song you 

502
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,960
can't. 
You can think you nailed the 

503
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,080
song, but it's like not that was
totally wrong. 

504
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,680
Yeah, you don't know. 
And it's, I mean, a lot of these

505
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,800
songs, like I worked with a 
producer, Scott Brent Mayer, 

506
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,840
just great producer. 
You know, I've worked on him on 

507
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,040
a couple different projects. 
And really that's what the a lot

508
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,640
of the reason that it took so 
long to get this record done was

509
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,480
that I just didn't know like I 
would send him songs. 

510
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:03,160
And finally it was like, hey, 
I've got probably 30 songs, you 

511
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,960
know, do you want, do would you 
like to listen to him? 

512
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,600
And and he and yeah, you know, 
and, and really I had enough for

513
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,240
at least a couple albums that 
were kind of. 

514
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,080
But the problem with me also is 
like getting 10 that because I'm

515
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,920
into a lot of different kinds of
music and 10 that like 

516
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,120
cohesively fit together or it's 
always a different, different 

517
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:25,680
thing for me and. 
It's weird, man. 

518
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,640
I mean, yeah, once. 
And once you're doing it for 

519
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,240
yourself, too, especially when 
you have such like, wide 

520
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,840
influences. 
You go, what? 

521
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,200
It's almost like you throw a 
dart. 

522
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,840
It's like, what are we? 
What are we trying to hit? 

523
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,640
Yeah, it is. 
Just captures who you are in 

524
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,880
that era or that year, that 
month or whatever it is. 

525
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,760
And I think that could be a way 
to to alleviate some of that 

526
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,680
stress of like who am I? 
What should I be? 

527
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,600
You just like let it whatever is
flowing at that moment. 

528
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,080
I have friends that will sit 
their whole lives on songs 

529
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,160
because they they don't know and
they're like, is this it? 

530
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,960
Is this it? 
I'm like, just put the music 

531
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,760
out, man, just go just roll with
it. 

532
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,720
You know, especially nowadays, 
it's like if you're putting out 

533
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,600
records or putting out songs, 
it's like, man, just have fun 

534
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,280
with it and and do what you're 
feeling. 

535
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Expect nothing. 
Expect nothing because guess 

536
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,360
what? 
No, I just, I expect nothing. 

537
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,560
It's a great mantra. 
So what? 

538
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,720
What do you practice then? 
If if you're working on these 

539
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,120
songs, you're having a career as
a guitar player, but you're 

540
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,520
already so accomplished, how do 
you maintain? 

541
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,760
Something tells me he still 
practices a lot. 

542
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,440
I practice quite a bit. 
I mean, when I'm home, I 

543
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,200
practice as much as I can. 
And it's funny because I mean, I

544
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120
do play electric and acoustic 
and so like for the last several

545
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,760
years it's been so acoustic 
specific that I've not played 

546
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,040
electric that much. 
And this year that was kind of 

547
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,000
one of the goals was that I 
wanted to do more electric 

548
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,400
stuff. 
So I'm doing some, you know, 

549
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,280
like electric trio stuff later 
in the. 

550
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,920
Amazing. 
Yeah, yeah. 

551
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,320
And, and this new record that 
I'm working on with Brian is 

552
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,720
electric. 
So that's it's, it's fun. 

553
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,480
I mean, I, I'm, that still feels
a little bit like getting back 

554
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,600
on the horse for me. 
Like I'm, I'm getting my sea 

555
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,760
legs on the electric because 
I've, it's funny, I'll do an 

556
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,000
electric show and I just feel 
like I'm going to break the neck

557
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,880
off of my car because I'm so 
used to this and it doesn't 

558
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,360
work. 
You know, it's like it's a 

559
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,440
totally different approach for 
me, but there's so much. 

560
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,640
I mean, there's still a lot I 
want to work on and I'm trying 

561
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,120
to, I feel like, you know, 
everybody gets in a rut and you 

562
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,400
just want to get out of that, 
you know. 

563
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,400
And, and so for me, like I, I 
know last several years have 

564
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,040
been a lot of jazz standards and
that kind of stuff, you know, 

565
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,120
and then actually just trying to
figure out what I, you know, 

566
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,120
like some theory things or what,
what. 

567
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,480
How are you with the theory 
stuff? 

568
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,800
I'm not good at all really. 
Like I never got. 

569
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,880
In play me a 145 and G now I. 
Can I can kind of do that, OK. 

570
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,280
But it's that's about the extent
of it, you know, right. 

571
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,200
What more do you need than that 
though, right? 

572
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Well, well, dude, here's the 
thing. 

573
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,600
Obviously you've been playing 
for a while and your ear has 

574
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,040
been built up so heavily that 
sometimes I meet players that 

575
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,480
are really dominant on the 
actual listening of it, that the

576
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,200
theory, it just comes and it 
goes. 

577
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,040
It's not like it's like, you 
know, a really steadfast thing. 

578
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,800
Yeah, I mean, it's, and I the 
guy that I took lessons off when

579
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,680
I was a kid, real old school, 
you know, and it, it, there was 

580
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,960
never any, you know, I just 
always remember playing his 

581
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,960
guitars and they were always set
up, you know, like cowboy chord 

582
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,520
stuff every that the action will
be so high as 12th fret, but 

583
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,840
it's all about getting volume. 
And he never played up here 

584
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,920
really. 
And so and there was 0 theory. 

585
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,840
It was all just like, here's 
what I play, you play. 

586
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,120
Do it. 
Do it like me. 

587
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Do it like me. 
And, and there's so much of that

588
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360
in the bluegrass world where 
it's like, you know, it's always

589
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,440
kind of been that way, where, 
you know, the older generation 

590
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,880
showing a younger generation, 
then you kind of figure it out. 

591
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Feel like it's truly passed 
down. 

592
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,200
It is, yeah. 
It's it's pretty. 

593
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,480
It's still kind of like that. 
Yeah. 

594
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,920
So do you have certain lines 
that you warm up with or 

595
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,200
practice that one thing you did 
with the the threes? 

596
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,400
That seems like an excellent 
warm up. 

597
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Yeah, I do that quite a bit and 
I'll do a lot of times, I'll 

598
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,640
just do like A1, four 5 / G. 
Perfect, Yeah. 

599
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,800
That's exactly what you told me 
to do. 

600
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Yeah, exactly what you told me 
to do. 

601
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,640
But I'll just do a lot of cord 
shape stuff. 

602
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:58,840
So if 
really kind of focusing on the 

603
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,920
right hand more than the left. 
I mean the left hand kind of, 

604
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,680
but. 
The left hand sort of on 

605
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,760
autopilot and you have because 
that is, I would agree with you 

606
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,320
that the right hand really 
dictates especially with an 

607
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,960
acoustic instrument how all the 
notes are going to sound out. 

608
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,320
And so when mutes are happening 
etcetera, didn't seem like there

609
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,680
was any muting going on there. 
That's just exact precision. 

610
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Yeah, I mean, I'll do like 
things like the ending, the the 

611
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,880
D section of like Black Mountain
Rag where it's a lot of 

612
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,040
repetitive kind of back and 
forth notes of like it's just 

613
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:53,640
over seats like 1, four, 5 / C 
it's the same idea, you know, 

614
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,120
but just kind of moving it 
around in different shapes or 

615
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,920
different chords, different 
shape, but a lot of like 

616
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,120
repetition of that. 
Anything that I can do that's, 

617
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,200
you know, going to be like, 
there's there's another Doc 

618
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,400
Watson like that's not very 
useful, like in a musical 

619
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,720
context, but like it's. 
I'll be the judge of that. 

620
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:26,240
Yeah, just a. 
Chromatic from 1G to the next 

621
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,760
and just because I don't use my 
pinky that often, so that's the 

622
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,560
biggest thing I have to warm up 
is like actually using that. 

623
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,840
And then the older I get like my
I can feel. 

624
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,520
You can feel that I. 
Feel the arthritis coming in. 

625
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,800
I'll say it's fascinating to 
hear every note. 

626
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,600
I feel like like that punctual 
thing you have where it's like 

627
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,000
when you're playing that line up
top, you can hear every note. 

628
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,200
It's like the same there. 
There's no falter in the 

629
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,120
dynamic, which is really sick. 
Yeah, I mean, I kind of like to 

630
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,560
to dictate the dynamics when 
they happen, you know, and that 

631
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,600
was something I did work on was 
like trying to get my up strokes

632
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,320
on my pick to to make the same 
volume. 

633
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,280
And that's I mean, because 
obviously it doesn't, you know, 

634
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,440
your down strokes are always 
going to be more prominent. 

635
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,080
So I remember practicing that 
maybe not like to the extent of 

636
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,440
really saying it out loud. 
I mean I want to make but it was

637
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,480
just subconsciously. 
Hear it in your head and you're 

638
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,520
like, it doesn't quite sound 
like what I hear in my head. 

639
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,840
I want it to be, I want them to 
all be the same. 

640
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,080
And I don't really know because 
I mean, you know, it's like 

641
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,400
what? 
But when I hear Doc Watson, I 

642
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,920
kind of hear that. 
I hear that that's specific. 

643
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,159
So also the guitar you're 
holding, that's your guitar? 

644
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:35,600
It is, yeah. 
What's up with that thing? 

645
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000
That thing's beautiful. 
Yeah, I love this thing. 

646
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,840
It's a, it's a Taylor Gold 
Label. 

647
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,639
Yeah, my signature. 
Model, this is your signature. 

648
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,400
Did did you put a sticker in 
there? 

649
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,719
I did. 
I can see it. 

650
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,360
From my. 
End Somebody gave me like a 

651
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,719
handful of these Charles 
Bukowski stickers and I would 

652
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,159
love her. 
Like you can only see it from 

653
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:55,080
this angle. 
That I can't. 

654
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,920
I love them, yeah. 
That's I haven't seen a tailor. 

655
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,320
I have a tailor here. 
It doesn't look like that. 

656
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960
That that's got such a. 
Yeah, these the gold label, they

657
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,520
did a different headstock, OK. 
And like, I've known the folks 

658
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040
at Taylor for a long time and 
I've always loved Andy Powers 

659
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,480
because when I would pick with 
him, like he's a big bluegrass 

660
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,240
nerd too, and grew up listening 
to Doc Watson, I always when I 

661
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,480
would play like a dreadnought 
tailor, I just didn't feel like 

662
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,720
it ever had the like power that 
I was kind of going for in the 

663
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,040
bluegrass setting as much. 
And then when they started doing

664
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,360
these gold labels, I don't know,
it's it's a different bracing 

665
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,000
that just kind of works for this
style. 

666
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:39,400
And I was playing one of their 
gold label Grand Pacific's for 

667
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,600
like a couple several months as 
kind of my only guitar, which is

668
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,840
pretty abnormal cause I've got, 
I mean, I've probably got, you 

669
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,280
know, 40 or 50 acoustic guitars.
How do you judge an acoustic 

670
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,800
like the sound of it? 
Yeah, I mean, like for me, it's 

671
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,720
always got to have. 
You have to have the the 

672
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,200
acoustic chord, but you play 
first. 

673
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,560
It has to have kind of a big E 
chord going in, and these 

674
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,880
strings are pretty good, but 
I've got to have that. 

675
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,480
So that was, I mean, that's 
always it. 

676
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,600
You know, there's always a 
little bit of like like for me, 

677
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,720
these, the gold labels in 
particular just had this kind of

678
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,920
across the board this of them. 
Like a lot of times, like when 

679
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120
I'll play some of my bigger 
dreadnoughts, they're they're 

680
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,360
really great for that kind of 
boomy thing. 

681
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,200
But then when I go for the the 
like single line clarity notes, 

682
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,600
it just gets muddy and it's hard
to portray what I'm trying to 

683
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,160
say. 
And so these like it felt like 

684
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,160
everything. 
It was a lot easier for me to to

685
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,880
do the things I wanted to do. 
I think about it too, and, and 

686
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,120
especially for like the 
bluegrass setting and all that 

687
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,800
thinking about it and you talk 
about like the boominess or if 

688
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,040
it has the punch. 
Because truly like if you were 

689
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,200
sitting there playing, it's like
you got to stick out. 

690
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,520
So a lot of your style and your 
technique, I feel like that'll 

691
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,800
automatically make you stick 
out. 

692
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,400
But to have a guitar that hits 
with you, that's what you need. 

693
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,160
It's really important because I 
mean, a lot of times, like I 

694
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,480
would, I would go through these 
different phases where I would 

695
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,040
bring guitars because I always 
plug in. 

696
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,120
And so I'll go to these shows 
and I would play guitar that 

697
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,600
sounds really great plugged in. 
And then when I go to like if I 

698
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,560
was going to jam or something or
just even practice backstage 

699
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,960
with the band, you know, the 
guitar would just be lost. 

700
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,720
And so, yeah, it was, I started 
playing a prototype of this 

701
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:35,840
guitar and then it was like, 
yeah, this is this kind of works

702
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,320
perfect for what I do. 
I didn't really change much, but

703
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,840
put different bridge pins a 
little bit, I think a little 

704
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,120
different neck. 
I like that little pickguard. 

705
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Oh yeah, I like the pickguard. 
Dude I like the the burst on it 

706
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,160
too. 
That was a Andy Powers thing. 

707
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,080
I mean, I was kind of like, I 
like a burst and he sent me, I 

708
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,480
think two different guitars, 
like two different bursts and I 

709
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,560
like this one. 
Subtle, but it's like. 

710
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Yeah, it's it's just just enough
to. 

711
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Do you want to see how it holds 
U with some rhythm underneath? 

712
00:38:05,200 --> 00:40:03,610
Sure, how about that? 
Thanks for letting us try. 

713
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,840
You're doing some sick, sick 
stuff, man. 

714
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,160
You guys, when you think about 
what you're going to play, 

715
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,520
obviously it's all a stream of 
consciousness in the moment, but

716
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,240
are there certain things that 
you rely on just getting, 

717
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,360
getting to know a chord 
progression, for example, like, 

718
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,800
all right, I know this is going 
to take me to the place I'm 

719
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,760
meant to arrive. 
It's a lot of chord shapes that 

720
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,680
I'm always thinking of, like the
next variation of. 

721
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:41,840
So there's a lot of like in G, 
Kind of basically like different

722
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,560
triads. 
Tri. 

723
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,240
It's like triads up the neck. 
Yeah, exactly. 

724
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:55,000
I got the one, got the cutaway. 
That's cool, man. 

725
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,040
And so, yeah, a lot of a lot of 
that. 

726
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,800
And there's a lot of, yeah, I'll
practice like triads over 

727
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,960
different chord shapes, kind of 
like the 145 thing. 

728
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,920
So there's, I mean, I guess 
that's really about it. 

729
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,080
You know, there's certain times 
I'll think of like, and 

730
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,600
bluegrass is so contextual with 
like different players. 

731
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,360
And it's so it's almost like I 
always think of it. 

732
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,200
You know, I just played with 
Bella Flack last summer and we 

733
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,400
played a like a flat and Scruggs
song. 

734
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,640
And it's just funny to hear 
somebody that has their own 

735
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,760
voice playing, you know, a real 
Scruggs like or you know, and it

736
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,800
says the same for like when I'm 
thinking of, you know, like 

737
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,760
sometimes I'll I'll play in a 
like a trad song that had been 

738
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,680
covered by Tony Rice and I'll 
hear those Tony licks, you know,

739
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,200
you know. 
And and so when I'm thinking of 

740
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,960
like those licks, I might have 
some of that going on, but 

741
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,560
really that's like the only time
that I'm ever thinking licks, 

742
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,960
like if I want to quote 
something or somebody. 

743
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,320
Yeah, if you want to hit a 
certain thing. 

744
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,080
Other than that it's it's all 
like around the core shapes. 

745
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,000
With the speed, did the speed 
just come or was that something 

746
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,080
you so like, really consciously 
tried to build? 

747
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,000
It was something I consciously 
tried to build. 

748
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,480
I remember being younger and 
like when I got into Tony Rice, 

749
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,920
that's almost a different, you 
know, part of bluegrass. 

750
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,600
It's like a sub genre I mean. 
Tony Rice, Bluegrass. 

751
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,320
Can you play a few Tony Rice 
licks for? 

752
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:57,200
Me, yeah, I mean, and it's 
I only do that when I when I 

753
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,640
mess up. 
Yeah, that was kind of A and 

754
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,800
it's funny because that's like 
late era Tony, early 2000. 

755
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,080
Dude, Jared's always stealing 
like. 

756
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,960
I'm a stealer. 
I was on the road with Richie 

757
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,600
Cotson, the winery dogs, and he 
would do those things where he 

758
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,360
also Richie would do like a like
a. 

759
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:19,280
It's like an Indian. 
Sitar Indian sitar like. 

760
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,640
Stolen. 
You can do it on another note. 

761
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:32,920
And then he would do it like. 
seizure on the street. 

762
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,960
That's cool, man. 
So he brought more of like the 

763
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,120
bluesy, almost like a little 
sassy. 

764
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,480
It was yeah, definitely more of 
the Blues like before him and 

765
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,440
you know, in the in the lineage 
was like Clarence White and he 

766
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,600
played you know, he played in 
the birds, yes, Telecaster birds

767
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,880
and like there's to me, there's 
pre birds clearance, which was 

768
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,400
very Doc Watson like. 
And then there's post birds 

769
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,400
clearance where he was playing 
more like he played this middle 

770
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,320
thing. 
I could do more hybrid picking 

771
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,120
on acoustic guitar, which I I 
really don't do that at all. 

772
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,440
Like I'll hybrid pick electric. 
I just don't do any hybrid 

773
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,200
picking on acoustic. 
But but he's. 

774
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,840
Probably hard to match. 
I can't. 

775
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,280
Even when you listen to 
Clarence, you can hear it like 

776
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,040
there's a there's definitely a 
volume like he would do cross 

777
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,400
picking. 
Well, I even think when I'm 

778
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,800
trying to play acoustic, if I'm 
alone playing acoustic, it's 

779
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,360
great because I can match my 
dynamics. 

780
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,240
But if I'm trying to play in a 
the finger the flesh to a pig, 

781
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,840
it's so much lower, you know? 
And you have a piece of granite 

782
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,960
for a fingertip. 
I do, yeah. 

783
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,760
Look at that. 
Look at that nasty sucker dude. 

784
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,720
Hey yeah, don't be like me kids 
now. 

785
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,880
But it is a big difference 
between that that punctual of a 

786
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,720
pic to a finger. 
Much different. 

787
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,400
That's why on the electric it's 
not as noticeable but. 

788
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,640
Yeah, because normally you 
associate an acoustic guitar, at

789
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,400
least I did when I first started
playing, as like a friendly 

790
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,760
instrument. 
And electric is like mean and 

791
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,920
could be angry. 
But infusing that energy into an

792
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,280
acoustic context I think is 
really interesting. 

793
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,960
Yeah. 
I mean, it's, I didn't really. 

794
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,640
I mean, I thought about it 
before playing electric, but I 

795
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,960
think when I went to electric 
and I could, you know, crank an 

796
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,920
amp and, and it was, it was 
important when I went back to 

797
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,560
acoustic to be able to bring 
some of that right. 

798
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,800
And I obviously I, I do miss 
like a lot of times I'll think 

799
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,720
about how much I miss having, 
you know, just some like the 

800
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,200
notes just die so quickly on an 
acoustic guitar. 

801
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,800
So you don't really have any. 
No, no safety net. 

802
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,280
There's no safety net, Yeah. 
Yeah, dude, you literally you're

803
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,440
naked with an acoustic string. 
Yeah. 

804
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,280
And so a lot of times like I'll 
go to to play a bin and kind of 

805
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,040
lean on it as if I'm playing an 
electric more and then it's 

806
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,960
like, oh man, it's gone. 
Yeah, just as quickly as it 

807
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,880
appeared. 
Well, it's interesting you say 

808
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,560
that because you're sound is so 
full even when it's single lines

809
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,600
and that's a testament to the 
dynamics that you have control 

810
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,920
over. 
But is there a certain type of 

811
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:09,200
playing that or just like, is it
an approach more than anything 

812
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,920
to have that full sound when 
it's chords and I suppose it's 

813
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,760
just the evenness of the notes 
that I'm hearing? 

814
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,840
Yeah, I mean, there is 
definitely like I grew up, you 

815
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,200
know, playing by myself for the 
most part. 

816
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,120
And so I think I started doing 
gigs pretty early on and I hated

817
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,960
when I would feel there was a 
hole, you know, almost to a 

818
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,040
fault. 
Like now when I do more acoustic

819
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:41,760
solo shows I I've become more 
comfortable with the silence. 

820
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
But before it was like, I have 

821
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,040
to, if there's silence, I must 
get rid of it. 

822
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,360
You know, either with with cross
and there's a lot of cross 

823
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,440
picking stuff like an 
accompaniment, almost like 

824
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,240
you're playing, you know, Well, 
I think of bringing Tony Rice 

825
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:57,400
back into it. 
The there's a great album he did

826
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,360
called Church Street Blues. 
And it's just for the most part 

827
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,440
it's just him. 
His brother plays on some of it.

828
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,200
And there's never a moment on 
that record when he's playing 

829
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,520
that I feel like it needed 
anything else. 

830
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,200
But there's a lot of just cross 
picking accompaniment. 

831
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,320
So with that, it's almost like 
you're outlining things 

832
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,760
underneath. 
It's like you're playing and 

833
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,480
that I guess that would be a 
dynamic thing that would be 

834
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,880
happening underneath at all 
times. 

835
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,880
Yeah, that's cool. 
It's and so I did try to think 

836
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,960
about that or like, you know, 
practice songs that I knew I was

837
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,320
going to do in a solo set and 
try to figure out ways that I 

838
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,520
could make myself more 
accompanied, you know. 

839
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:38,040
I well, I noticed the difference
on an acoustic when it comes to 

840
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,160
the top, the higher register 
notes within chords. 

841
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,760
So like this, this chord like 
this, you might play this on 

842
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,360
electric and it'll sound fine, 
but you got to really make sure 

843
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,760
to hit that note right there. 
And, and having the the 

844
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,480
precision to use that word again
to make those melodic notes 

845
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,040
stand out in a kind of 
convoluted rhythm section. 

846
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,160
It's really, really an art. 
I think there's a lot of it for 

847
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,840
me, like I'll think of something
like that where I want to play 

848
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,600
each individual note instead of 
a strum. 

849
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,320
And I think I've gotten rid of a
lot of like, if I'm playing 

850
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,360
Fred, I'll just play something 
off that 

851
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,720
There's a lot of stuff that's 
happening that kind of sounds 

852
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:39,960
like a strum, but it's really 
just single note. 

853
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,840
It's just your single notes are 
so fast and precise that they 

854
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,960
almost sounds like a strum. 
I'm noticing something new about

855
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,200
the acoustic guitar that you're 
sort of treating those top two 

856
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,840
strings almost like a like a hi 
hat or, or just like a, a symbol

857
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,760
almost. 
And these are the the drums. 

858
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,520
And these are like kind of 
brushing every now and then 

859
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,520
they'll ring out a little bit 
just for texture. 

860
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,200
I do think like for me, like the
high strings, I always bring 

861
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,280
them in for rhythm playing and I
and I'll, I don't know that it 

862
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,400
was that I really thought about 
it as much, but I do remember 

863
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:21,520
when I was a kid, I got to to 
play some with Johnny Cash. 

864
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,320
You did? 
Yeah. 

865
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,720
And and. 
Dude, tell us about that bro. 

866
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:29,760
Oh. 
Really, I was, I played some, we

867
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,840
were going to, they were doing a
record, like a duo record and 

868
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,080
all like Carter family stuff. 
And I mean that's the style I 

869
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,240
grew up on was all the like 
Wildflower that I played 

870
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,440
earlier. 
Everything that I learned when I

871
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,680
was a kid was that. 
And so they were going to do 

872
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,080
those songs. 
But when I really like got into 

873
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,200
studying Maybelle Carter stuff, 
there's all every like every, 

874
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,880
every time she would hit a down 
stroke, there was an up stroke 

875
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,240
happening. 
So like for instance, she played

876
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:06,080
thumb and finger stuff. 
There's a lot of that always 

877
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,840
happening for texture. 
And I think I brought that in a 

878
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,080
lot with my rhythm playing. 
Almost subconsciously, maybe, 

879
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,920
yeah. 
Yeah, like because I don't play 

880
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,000
that way how it just be I would 
bring it in Yeah and I studied 

881
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,640
those records so much that I 
think it changed the way I play 

882
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,280
rhythm quite a bit. 
And even when I play like to to 

883
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,920
your point, I think that's true.
It's like I'll I'll hit a lot of

884
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,560
upstrokes on the 1st 2 strings 
that I'm maybe not even 

885
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,200
necessarily aware of that are 
just happening as almost drone 

886
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,480
notes that, you know, just kind 
of stay there and. 

887
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,160
How old were you when you played
with Johnny Cash? 

888
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,400
Right after the Opry video. 
So it was it was 2002. 

889
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,880
That was a good year. 
Yeah, it was a good year. 2002 

890
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,080
was great. 
Hits on that. 

891
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,480
What was that like bro? 
It was pretty awesome. 

892
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,040
I mean, I grew up in the very 
corner of Tennessee, right 

893
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,760
across the line from like 
Bristol, VA. 

894
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,480
And so there's still, it's still
up there in Hilton's, which is 

895
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,320
right close to Bristol, the 
Carter fold, which is where like

896
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,000
AP and Sarah Carter started that
in the 70s. 

897
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,000
It's just a like barn on the 
this two lane Rd. in Virginia. 

898
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,680
And every Saturday night they 
still do shows there. 

899
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,960
But if you keep going down that 
road, like less than a mile, 

900
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,400
maybe I'll, maybe I'll Carter's 
cabin is still there. 

901
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,640
And so this would have been I 
think the last last year they 

902
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,200
were alive and they were going 
back quite a bit to that cabin. 

903
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,680
And so I met them because of the
1st place I ever played was the 

904
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,960
Carter fold. 
Like I, I knew one song. 

905
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,800
Dude, you were, you were blessed
by the. 

906
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,680
That's like the holograms. 
Yeah, that's. 

907
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:41,560
Insane and that so at the time 
it was ran by Jeanette Carter 

908
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,560
was AP and Sarah's daughter. 
And so she would just let me 

909
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:50,000
come up and play during the 
intermission and and play Carter

910
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,560
family songs and and then yeah, 
she introduced me to to Johnny 

911
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,880
and June and. 
But it was all studying that 

912
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,480
Carter family. 
So I think that's the reason I 

913
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,240
got to do that was because it 
was, you know, I was so into 

914
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,440
that music and. 
Where is it? 

915
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:03,480
Was that when you played with 
him? 

916
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,440
Yeah, yeah. 
That was first place I played 

917
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,800
with him was there. 
And then I played at June's 

918
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,320
birthday party that year. 
Did you play her? 

919
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,760
Happy Birthday I. 
Didn't play, nobody played. 

920
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,920
Happy birthday. 
OK, here's a here's a question. 

921
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,320
I don't know if you remember 
this, but like this sounds so 

922
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,080
heavy to me, like that you were 
in that like with that crew of 

923
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,440
people and I'm sure they're 
obviously beautiful people, but 

924
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,840
that's like that's like some 
heavy heavyweight music family. 

925
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,040
So like, was the energy like 
really loose and carefree or was

926
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,040
it like, all right, Trey's going
to play now. 

927
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,120
Were you like this? 
Were you like? 

928
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,000
No, it's really loose. 
It was really loose. 

929
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:47,000
And honestly that that party's 
specifically was like, you know,

930
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,920
it was only family and a few 
friends and, you know, like I 

931
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,360
met Tom T. 
Hall, which is a. 

932
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,400
Well, I love Tom T. 
Yeah, so Tom T was there and he,

933
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,280
he and Miss Dixie owned a house 
right across the road from 

934
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,920
Mabel's cabin. 
Did you get to jam with Tom T? 

935
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,880
Hall Yeah, my first come on, the
first album I ever did. 

936
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,240
If you guys don't know who Tom 
T. 

937
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:07,880
Hall is, that's like gold. 
Now he's the best. 

938
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,320
Well, he he did this, this 
thing, him and his wife, like in

939
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,960
the in the early 2000s up until,
you know, I don't know when they

940
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,080
stopped doing it, but they and 
not a lot of people knew it, but

941
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,960
they had a, you know, great 
studio in their house and they 

942
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,720
had a separate house on their 
property. 

943
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,160
And they would specifically have
bluegrass bands come in and they

944
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,200
could use their studio for free.
And like Tom T would produce 

945
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:33,600
your and it was, you know, just 
if he liked you, he would let 

946
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,080
you come to his house. 
And so because of Johnny Cash, 

947
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,680
that's the first album I ever 
did was at Tom TS. 

948
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,320
Dude, that's insane. 
Yeah, it was great. 

949
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,800
A few months ago on Marketplace,
I'm a Facebook marketplace 

950
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,920
dweller, someone had Tom, one of
Tom's old guitar cases really, 

951
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,800
and the guy wanted 50 bucks for 
it. 

952
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,640
And it was up there for like 4 
days and like I just saw and I 

953
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,560
was like what? 
And it was just this beater 70s 

954
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,720
case, but it looked like you've 
been around the world like 10 

955
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,480
times. 
I hit the guy up, I was like 2, 

956
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,720
can I buy this case? 
He's like, man, I just sold it 

957
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,200
this morning and I was like, oh,
you. 

958
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,280
Can't wait on a Tom T case too 
long you. 

959
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,360
Can't wait on that. 
Dude, that's awesome. 

960
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:12,200
That was a core part of my 
childhood. 

961
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,280
I've my remember my uncle really
liked Johnny Cash and I spent a 

962
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,800
lot of time with him. 
And so I would, that was a 

963
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,800
biggie. 
But I think Marty was probably, 

964
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,280
you know, that happened early 
on. 

965
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,640
But I remember growing up in the
90s and I, I never really liked 

966
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,880
like the CMT country stuff, but 
I, we couldn't avoid it. 

967
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,720
But I remember seeing Marty on 
television. 

968
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:34,440
He was always different. 
I always liked his music. 

969
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,640
Is there with bluegrass, is it 
kind of like because like in the

970
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,120
Blues, I know there's a lot of 
people that are very traditional

971
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,280
and there's a very there's a 
code and like you do you do this

972
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,920
or you're not? 
It's almost like, is it that way

973
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,480
in the bluegrass world a lot. 
And there's people that are 

974
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,320
like, I, I play traditional 
bluegrass or I play this type of

975
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,160
bluegrass. 
You know what I'm? 

976
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,960
Trying there's there's a lot of 
like the whole trad world. 

977
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,040
I love like flat and scrubs and 
some building row stuff and the 

978
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,720
trad world can get a little 
yeah, just very. 

979
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,000
I mean they're so into it that 
like bluegrass only existed in 

980
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,840
1946 and anything after that was
a mistake, you know, and like 

981
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,240
even you can hear it in G chords
like those that group of people 

982
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:24,000
will play AG like that and they 
keep the BS open. 

983
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,920
But like any anybody that's into
like Tony Rice or modern 

984
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,040
bluegrass gets rid of the GS. 
So like your A is muted and 

985
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,720
you're cutting out the so it's 
almost like this happier chord 

986
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,480
that you hear for I always think
of like John Denver. 

987
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,240
Ladies and gentlemen, John 
Denver. 

988
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,800
I got to get rid of those bees. 
I could see that being a thing 

989
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,880
for sure with bluegrass, but 
yeah, I feel like you embody so 

990
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,360
much. 
Like obviously there's the 

991
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,160
bluegrass in, but you have like 
a total. 

992
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,120
I don't know, man. 
I feel like you could sit with 

993
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,960
anybody. 
Well, I like, I like everything,

994
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,240
you know, And so that's part of 
it is like I just could never 

995
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,840
get in that circle where it was 
like, you have to be this way, 

996
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,280
you know, because it's, there's 
so much, there's so much music 

997
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,240
that I have tried to absorb. 
When I was a kid in East Troy, 

998
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,640
WI, we had a big bluegrass 
festival. 

999
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,040
It would be on the square every 
year and people would come in in

1000
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,760
their vans, you know, and, and 
people would jam, dude, and 

1001
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,800
they'd sit in circles and 
bluegrass. 

1002
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,800
And I remember my mom, she, 
bless her, she goes, you should 

1003
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,520
take your guitar up to the 
bluegrass. 

1004
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,680
Festival. 
It'll be fine me. 

1005
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,560
And my friend Brad, Literally, 
we got our electrics, bro. 

1006
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,880
And we walk. 
We're like 15. 

1007
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,480
I'm wearing like a Dark Side of 
the Moon shirt thinking like 

1008
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:47,800
people are like jamming, you 
know? 

1009
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,440
And we walk up and we just see 
them playing. 

1010
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,680
We have our guitars and we just 
go, dude, let's go. 

1011
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:55,920
Let's go back to. 
You, you're so scared. 

1012
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,920
They're all it was. 
It was hilarious. 

1013
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,200
Dude, it is a whole world, man. 
It's it's a very, and 

1014
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,840
everybody's so funny because I 
grew up in it like the East 

1015
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,240
Tennessee, you know, we're 
talking about ETSU. 

1016
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,400
They've got a bluegrass. 
You can imagine you could go 

1017
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,080
there and like get a major in 
bluegrass, you know, like you 

1018
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,800
can, you can study all about it 
and it's great, you know, great 

1019
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,800
program, but it's really so like
that. 

1020
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,600
When I was a kid, there was 
still weekly jams at multiple 

1021
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,520
spots, you know, like every 
Thursday, Friday, Saturday 

1022
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,480
night, and I would go, you know,
10-11 years old. 

1023
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,840
And like Saturday night. 
I've left a lot of times, like 

1024
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,400
get there at 7:00 or 8:00 and 
leave when the sun's coming up, 

1025
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,480
you know, and just just play all
night, you know? 

1026
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,440
Do you feel like like as it is 
with Blues, we just went on a 

1027
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,320
Blues cruise with Bonamassa and 
obviously it was a ton of fun. 

1028
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,000
I, I, I looked at it just now, 
but do you ever feel man, like 

1029
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,680
with the bluegrass thing? 
I mean, I feel like you, you're 

1030
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,960
able to bring people in in a 
cool way because there's a lot 

1031
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,160
of especially guitarists and 
people that would never really 

1032
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,960
get into that, but they could 
hear Someone Like You and they 

1033
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,920
could go, wow, I love this 
sound. 

1034
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,240
I love this style. 
In fact, you're a great gateway 

1035
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,760
for people now to get into 
bluegrass. 

1036
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,280
Yeah, I would hope so. 
I mean, that's that. 

1037
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,200
I love it. 
And I get why it's a acquired 

1038
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,360
taste. 
You know, if you hear like some 

1039
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,200
of the traditional stuff, I grew
up around it. 

1040
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,880
It makes sense to me, you know, 
But I feel like, yeah, even just

1041
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,520
playing with other people, like 
it's, it makes sense. 

1042
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,600
Like it clicks. 
I always think of that, like I 

1043
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,120
got into, you know, like Slayer 
and stuff when I was a teenager.

1044
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,160
And it made sense. 
Like for me, it sounds so akin 

1045
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,360
to like bluegrass playing 
Slayer. 

1046
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,600
Yeah. 
I don't know why it's like the 

1047
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,920
the guitar player. 
Slayer's actually bluegrass 

1048
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,240
dude. 
Slayer is bluegrass. 

1049
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,200
I'll send Carrie. 
King comes out with the towel. 

1050
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,760
He busts through that door. 
What'd you say? 

1051
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,080
Guitar World presents Carrie 
King the bluegrass. 

1052
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,160
Carrie King's new signature 
banjo did. 

1053
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,320
You ever meet those? 
Dudes, were you doing that That 

1054
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:57,720
one thing?