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This episode is supported by 
Movember, the leading charity 

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changing the face of men's 
health. 

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Hello and welcome to To Be a 
Boy. 

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Today's episode is very special 
because it's a recording from 

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Push for Paternity Leave which 
was a March we did through 

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London, Leeds, Manchester and 
Nottingham on the 2nd of May to 

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demand better parental leave 
rates for all parents. 

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In particular, six weeks 
paternity leave paid at 90% of 

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salary for dads and non birthing
parents, better pay across 

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maternity leave. 
And we also really want all 

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companies to have to publish 
their parental leave policies. 

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So today's recording are the 
speeches from London and kicking

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us off is my Co host Elliot Ray.
Hey, hello. 

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So if you agree with these 
statements, I want you to say 

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yes, OK. 
Are you at Prisma paternity 

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leave? 
Is the UK paternity leave system

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absolutely punch? 
Is the best way of addressing 

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the motherhood penalty to give 
time for dads to share the care 

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at the beginning of the child's 
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Are we not going to stop till we
get six weeks paid paternity 

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leave for working dads? 
OK, I love that. 

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Thank you so much to everyone. 
This is a real, real moment. 

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I had a neighbor who lived next 
next to me a few years ago. 

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He had one child who was about 
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another child that came along. 
He was working on the roads. 

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He couldn't of course, take any 
paternity leave. 

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He had one week off. 
He went back to work. 

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I saw him everyday leave his 
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Stressful, really, really upset,
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He got really sick. 
He had a heart attack. 

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Luckily he's still here, he's 
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But his story goes to show that 
what we are doing here is not 

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just a nice to have. 
It's not just that this will be 

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really good for dads to bond. 
This is life changing and life 

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saving stuff. 
Do you agree? 

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So we want six weeks paper. 
Totally. 

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We know that would make a 
massive difference to dad being 

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able to bond with their baby, be
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night time, to do skin to skin, 
to bond, to learn to parent 

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independently. 
That's really important to equal

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parenting, to sharing the care 
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life. 
We know that mothers do around 

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60% more unpaid care, childcare,
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To fix that, to address the fact
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the motherhood penalty, to fix 
the fact that about one in eight

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mothers leave the labor market 
up having a baby, we need to 

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support dads from the very start
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Do you agree? 
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We know that one in 10 dads 
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one in five mums. 
One of the key risk factors to 

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postage depression is a lack of 
opportunity to bond with your 

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baby at the time. 
At the moment we are giving dads

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the post life changing 
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They get 2 weeks at home and 
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nothing has changed. 
Often the line manager has 

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expects them to get on with it 
and just get their head down and

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perform with no emotions, no 
emotional safety and get their 

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head down at work. 
It is ridiculous. 

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You are talking about the mental
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equal parenting a week has been.
This week has been incredible. 

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We've had webinars, we've had 
the launch at the Light on 

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Monday. 
We've had so many people on 

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social media talking about the 
fact that we can share the care 

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more equally. 
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We have people in that building.
We have people in the media who 

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are trying to take us back to 
The Handmaid's Tale, who are 

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trying to take us back to the 
1950s, who believe that 

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childcare is bigger as well. 
You can be right now if you want

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to be right now. 
This is the council argument to 

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the fact that we saw a Reform MP
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there's more childcare, there'll
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stay at home with their babies. 
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their babies too. 
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fix the system. 
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Scott Galloway, a big American 
podcaster, supposedly one of the

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good guys saying that that's a 
useless in the first year, we 

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don't need paternity leave. 
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that. 
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the Global Institute for Women's
Leadership Research showing that

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3rd 1/3 of Gen. 
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should obey their husbands. 
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This right here. 
Yes, you can do right now. 

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This right here is the counter 
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We are doing something really 
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We are saying we can do things 
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Masculinity has evolved. 
That's can be breadwinners and 

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equal parents. 
We can work, we can have a 

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career, we can be caregivers, we
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masculine. 
We can be there for our 

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children. 
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So I'm going to ask you those 
questions one more time only 

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about Bishop maternity leave. 
Do we want six weeks paid 

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maternity leave? 
But who's daddy in the UK 

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please? 
Under records. 

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Will we not stop until Keir 
Starmer and the people in that 

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building listen and make sure 
they're supporting British 

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families? 
And, and I would like to say a 

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massive thank you from the 
bottom of my heart. 

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I speak for Jodie as well. 
Can you give me a round of calls

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for Jodie please? 
The legend behind Britney 

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Spears, our ghost squat. 
We had this idea about 2-3 

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months ago. 
It's been a bloody nightmare. 

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Pretty together, I'll tell you 
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Permissions of the council. 
It's terrible, terrible. 

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We made it happen and we have 
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So much. 
This is so emotional and 

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overwhelmed and so happy. 
A movement is starting and we 

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are doing something so special. 
Please give yourself a round of 

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applause. 
As you could hear, Elliot was as

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excited to see so many people 
there as we all were. 

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Next up we have the incredible 
comedian and Instagram 

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influencer Rena O'Connor. 
Hello my name is Rita and I have

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two lovely kids here in the UK 
with my lovely husband who had 

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the pissy 2 weeks paternity 
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And I think what we realized But
when my husband went back to 

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work we were still holding our 
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But we had no clue. 
And to be fair to us we had 

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witnessed multiple explosions 
multiple times a day from his 

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mouth, from his bum screaming 
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The thing that we sort of 
ascertained by the end of those 

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two tiny weeks was that actually
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Knew. 
Nothing. 

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There was not enough time. 
So I have put a list together of

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10 Kings. 
Better longer than paternity 

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leave, right #1A bad cold. 
I've had a virus. 

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More committed than paternity 
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And soon dad #2 jury service. 
Because serving justice takes 

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longer than serving your noses. 
As man who used to sleep through

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the night #3 ABBC drama series. 
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weekly episodes with a Christmas
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Dad, just get a Christmas 
special Poonami and off you go 

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#5 the red worms. 
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They last longer than paternity.
But I wish I did not know this. 

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Don't ask me how I do. 
You basically watch your own 

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child give birth to these tribe 
worms because you have to 

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investigate down there, right? 
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pretty much burn your own house 
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You give them the banana 
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have to keep on doing that and 
two weeks later give them more 

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medicine, right? 
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things are dead along with their
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Number six, my motivation to go 
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attorney to leave now to refer 
this one was a very close call. 

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OK, they were neck and neck. 
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the gym is more a situation ship
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won the day, that says a lot. 
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I can be so hungover from 
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I don't like wine until at least
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The temporary Rd. works that 
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They've become part of the local
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paternity leave. 
Like these fellas get to stare 

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at a hole in the ground longer 
than dads get to stare at their 

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newborns #9 My episiotomy. 
My husband was back to work 

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while I was still manspirting 
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trying to remember life before 
ice packs on my beds #10 #10 any

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and all DIY jobs we have ever 
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I mean, I do not need to explain
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DIY jobs are 50% optimism, 10% 
YouTube videos, and 40% range. 

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And all of those things are 
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I wish that the government would
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to be there to look after our 
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The people taking paternity 
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care. 
And I think what really 

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demonstrated that, you know, as 
parents, we are in this 

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together. 
We are a team. 

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And what really demonstrated 
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was one night when we had a 
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really understood what that 
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I'm going to tell you the story 
and unfortunately, this is a 

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true story. 
OK, it's a little song. 

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I've heard it yesterday, so bear
with me, right. 

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One night when my newborn was 7 
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discomfort took hold. 
My stomach did heave my bum said

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here we go. 
When I finished the loo had a 

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nuclear glow. 
Norovirus struck the best 

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breastfeeding could not cease 
fuking while the the baby's 

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mouth did not release. 
The baby pushed the sick ball up

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into my for rose while I choked.
My husband helped put my sick 

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spills on himself. 
Oh, we are in this together. 

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As I projectile out of every 
Arthas I know dignity gun he 

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empty reached like killing my 
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Oh we are in this together. 
Two hours later I woke covered 

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in sweat. 
I looked over to the bathroom so

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the were sighted yet my 
husband's bare legs sticking out

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through the door hugging the loo
while his bum leaked on the 

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floor. 
The toddler woke up and he 

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jumped on his back said EW daddy
what's that leaking out your 

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crack my husband he groaned a 
blanket I did throw. 

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He slept soiling himself where 
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We are in this together as we 
project dialogue of every 

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orifice we know. 
Then the kids caught this 

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plague. 
The next week was a poop fuse 

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craze. 
How we are in this together? 

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Rena had us all in absolute 
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Next up is the political 
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I I, I think it might be lost. 
I don't actually have any kids. 

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He bought me for this so. 
I'm not, perhaps. 

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Going to talk from my deep 
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being a father, but what I can 
talk from is 2 experiences I've 

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had that really shaped my view 
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One I'm ashamed of because I was
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of my boss and he then went on a
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He said that he was really happy
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place where there used to be all
these strong willed women in the

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office. 
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misogynist. 
And I didn't say anything to my 

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shame because I was fresh out of
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And he then went on to say that 
he was fortunate that he managed

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to, basically. 
Change all that I get. 

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Rid of women and he talked about
all these women going off and 

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having bleeding babies. 
Direct quotes full of misogyny 

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from my boss. 
Now I didn't do anything back 

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then, but we can do something 
now because, because we can make

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it so that women and men take 
just so much time off to, to, to

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look after their kids. 
Because if we can make that the 

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case, then it will completely be
removed from the minds of all 

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employers of I better not hire 
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I better not promote this woman 
because she might have to go off

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on maternity leave. 
If we could remove the right 

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concept of pregnancy, of 
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employers because they will know
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likely on the male side and on 
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how we start to close the gender
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Because as long as that is in 
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always, it will. 
There will always be a gender 

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pay gap. 
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that. 
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Thank you. 
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oh, but what if the woman wants 
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home rather than the dad because
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potential, likely to earn more 
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dad's more likely to earn more 
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in the workplace, which is 
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parental leave than men. 
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The second experience is that of
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all of my friends who have kids 
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their relationships because of, 
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because of the competition. 
Some of you will know this 

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competition that goes on, even 
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that who is actually doing more 
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Who is, who is having a harder 
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earlier years because they don't
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through. 
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home in constant physical 
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constantly having to be to their
needs, being where they want and

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so forth. 
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not having to deal with the boss
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what to do verbally, at least, 
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cries, smells and, and 
screaming, but and also enabling

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the husband or the OR the OR the
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money. 
So that father can only do that 

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because of the woman is staying 
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So it's not like one, one side 
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And on the father's side, he's 
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that is telling him where to go 
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And then when he comes home 
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driveway. 
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through this, where he just 
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moment, and he might spend some 
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might go play on the Xbox. 
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Meanwhile, the mother who's been
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to finally be relieved, to have 
a chance to breathe, is watching

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the husband that's supposed to 
relieve her wasting time 

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elsewhere. 
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tension only eats away at the 
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And I've seen it happen time and
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What we can do is if we make it 
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understand where each one is 
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much time looking after the 
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make relationships in better 
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leading the happier lives for 
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That is what I want now. 
So if what I want is for the 

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government through either law 
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make paternity leave time and 
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So yes, of course that is a huge
change the way things are right 

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now. 
But so is every single bit of 

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progress that has ever been 
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Because, right? 
Because right now I don't. 

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Right now there's a gender pay 
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Do you? 
Right now we have a major crisis

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in terms of in terms of male 
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masculinity and those sorts of 
two pros, largely because men 

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don't, boys don't tend to have 
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because the women will spend 
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statistically speaking. 
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that and fix the problem of 
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have fathers as caregiving 
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lives, then this has to be done.
Do you accept the status pro? 

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I don't either. 
Thank you very much. 

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We were so grateful to Femi for 
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but what an amazing guy. 
Next up we have the CEO of the 

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Fawcett Society, Penny East. 
Hello, hello, hello. 

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So my name is Penny and I'm from
the Fawcett Society. 

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So this woman is literally my 
boss. 

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This woman right here, I quite 
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stressed and just chat to her. 
I think what would you do in my 

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situation? 
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Though she would look about and 
she would think that women have 

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made remarkable progress over 
the last 30 to 50 years, but she

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would also think we've been 
protesting this shit for way too

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long. 150 years fighting for 
equality. 

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And she would be shocked at how 
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system continues to be. 
She'd be so delighted to see how

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many women are in positions of 
power, how workplaces have made 

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improvements, how the pay gap is
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But she would be shocked at how 
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system is. 
The we think that fathers, that 

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men, that second parents only 
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burden and enjoy the joy of 
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It doesn't suit in modern 
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It doesn't suit parenting. 
And to be honest, parents for 

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too long have been saying we'll 
work it out. 

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We will somehow work it out. 
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I'll crawl into the office at 
8:00 in the morning on two hours

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sleep. 
We'll work it out by the fact 

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that we're being paid way under 
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We'll work it out. 
We're fed up of working it out. 

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We are not doing some sort of 
refuse thing. 

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One support, we want it now. 
We're bringing up the future 

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generations to give us some fun 
leave. 

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You may have heard from Penny. 
We did this event standing right

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next to Milicent Fawcett, who as
Penny said, is actually her boss

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even though she died I think 
over 100 years ago. 

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Next up is the financial 
educator Abby Foster. 

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Hi everyone. 
I'm going to keep it really 

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short because you know, you've 
got kids. 

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So I am a child accountant and a
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what I also get the privilege of
doing is teaching finance in 

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schools all over the country. 
I founded the company four years

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ago and I teach from year one, 
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And the one thing I can tell you
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watching us. 
They are watching everything we 

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do. 
And what I really wanted to say 

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is go back to my votes here is 
like we're here today pushing 

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for better paternity leave. 
And I want to be clear about 

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what that what that means. 
It's not just for dads and not 

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just for my mums, but for the 
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fathers get 2 weeks off and a 
mother gets up to a year. 

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But we're just not creating 
leave gap here. 

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We're creating a role gap. 
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everyone really that from day 
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and we're deciding it for them 
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to figure it out themselves. 
Two weeks is not enough. 

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Thank you. 
The gender pay gap, the 

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motherhood bouncy and the fact 
that women are still more likely

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to drop to part. 
Time or leave work entirely 

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after having children. 
None of that exists in 

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isolation. 
It starts here and it starts 

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with who we give time to at the 
beginning. 

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Yes, I'm not a parent. 
I did get to push a pound 

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though. 
That was a that was a ride. 

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But. 
I receive a lot of feedback from

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the people that do follow me on 
social media. 

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And one woman sent me a message 
and said push for change. 

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Even if you don't think this is 
relevant for you, this is sold 

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as part of your contract. 
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contract, the kind of fake 
contract that we all sign when 

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we're on social media to make 
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or we're not just heard that 
we're also seeing and that we 

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stand up for this stuff. 
I get the privilege, we could 

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call it, to interview people in 
that room often about the 

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financial implications. 
And I do take this stuff too, 

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though, so I think it's probably
why I'm up there talking about 

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this. 
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finally that the next generation
are watching you. 

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So please don't stop. 
Please keep going. 

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Thank you. 
We were so grateful to Abby for 

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coming to speak as a non parent,
but Abby cares deeply about the 

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financial challenges of new 
parents and those that parental 

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leave is a major contributor to 
debt for new parents. 

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Next up we have friend of the 
Podcast and founder of Male 

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Allies, Lee Chambers. 
I traveled 250 miles to be here 

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today because that's how much 
this matters. 

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In 2012, my son was born. 
It was quite traumatic. 

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Did I take paternity leave? 
Nor was at the time. 

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I was self-employed and I 
couldn't. 

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And June, in a really difficult 
time, I had to take a day here 

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and a day there, and then I was 
disappointed. 

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Well, then when my daughter was 
due to be born in 2014, I 

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thought I was going to take some
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I was actually in hospital. 
I'd lost the ability to walk. 

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And through that adversity, it 
made me think just how important

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it is to have that time. 
I learned to walk again 

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alongside my daughter. 
I was determined I was going to 

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beat her to walk in. 
I'd get back on my feet before 

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she would. 
You know what, I made it. 

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She's now 11. 
I've not been here much else 

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since, but at least I can say 
it's our victory. 

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But after going through that 
journey and not having access to

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the leave that I would have 
liked to have, I actually 

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decided to take a really left 
field decision. 

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I decided that was step out of 
the business that I've built to 

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become a stay at home dad to my 
children, a primary caregiver, 

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but I mean, with an incredibly 
privileged position to be able 

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to do that now. 
I got called a loser. 

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I got told it was career 
suicide. 

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People kept asking me what's 
your wife doing? 

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And I got told I'd get bored. 
You don't have any time to get 

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bored when the mental Lord 
smacks you in the face every day

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and you're literally on your 
knees at 4:00. 

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I needed some respite, so I went
to my local baby in Toddler 

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Creek. 
I was one man surrounded by 

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first seven mothers and 
grandmothers. 

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And you know what? 
I let an awful lot just sat 

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there all about a lot of things,
and naturally it was an 

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incredibly transformative 
experience for me to just sit 

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there and listen to women. 
What did that time do for me? 

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It made me go back into my 
business and equalize our 

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parental leave, and the men in 
my business started taking that 

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leave. 
Now I'm going to be honest, it 

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wasn't cheap, but it massively 
transformed our culture. 

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I then sold that company to a 
Danish company and they laughed 

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because the leave was rubbish. 
What am I here to tell you 

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today? 
Well, I now do a lot of work 

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around closing gender gaps, 
tackling gender bias. 

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The reality is that this is one 
of the biggest levers to tackle 

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and close some of those gaps 
that women keep falling into. 

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Share that mental Lord and 
create society where everyone 

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benefits. 
I don't need to talk about those

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benefits because many of the 
other speakers will say that. 

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But the message I want to leave 
you with today is if I can build

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a little company that started in
a bedroom in the Northwest that 

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had under 100 people and 
equalized the leave 16 weeks 

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full pay for every member of 
staff that we had, then why 

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can't these big ass government 
for six weeks at 90%? 

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For everyone, it's a job. 
If this government are not 

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willing to invest in the next 
generation, well, doesn't that 

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say an awful lot about what they
actually truly believe? 

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We are here today committed to 
pushing. 

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They need to commit to pushing 
the review to ensure that men do

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get that space because it's not 
just about men, it's not even 

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about women. 
It's about the next generation, 

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business, society. 
And if we look at our 

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increasingly divided and 
polarized world, wouldn't it be 

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powerful if people could say at 
least together and spend that 

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time truly bonding togetherness,
unity and connection? 

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That's what I'm calling for. 
You're bringing that today. 

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It's a pleasure to be with you. 
250 miles was worth it. 

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In a few hours, I'll be 
travelling 250 miles back. 

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Absolutely feeling like we can 
do this. 

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Let's go over them. 
Thank you. 

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Thank you Lee and that was so 
brilliant. 

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As always, if you do have a son 
and you are based near London, 

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Lee is running Festival of the 
Boy on Sunday the 17th of May, 

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which looks absolutely brilliant
so please do look that up. 

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Next up we have the poet Harry 
Baker. 

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Hello my name is Harry Baker. 
I am a poet. 

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I am self-employed and that 
meant that I wasn't entitled to 

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any paid the sunny leave 
whatsoever. 

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So what happened is I gigged up 
until the week before my son was

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born so I could take unpaid 
leave for myself to be there for

453
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,960
the first six months. 
And it was the most incredible 6

454
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,280
months of my life. 
I wish that everyone could have 

455
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,640
that kind of experience. 
And even though I was gigging up

456
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,040
until the week before, it was 
almost growing. 

457
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,600
He he came to our base early. 
So I remember, so I am my wife 

458
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,760
being into labor and having to 
sort of cancel the kick in 

459
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,760
Brighton and then 10 AM that 
morning holding my son and came 

460
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,360
looking like in me and saying 
you could still make it to 

461
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:58,640
Maidenheads and but you decided.
But the other thing I did was I 

462
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,160
I I write poems to process 
things. 

463
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080
And so I write a poem a day for 
the 1st 100 days of my son's 

464
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,320
life. 
And I would just like to share a

465
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,120
couple with you that come from 
between two weeks and six weeks 

466
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,760
because at two weeks, all of my 
new dad friends had to go back 

467
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,760
to work and I was the only one 
that did them. 

468
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,720
And these are experiences that I
wouldn't have been there for if 

469
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,280
I had to go back at two weeks. 
So this is from say 23 and it's 

470
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,280
called first bottle. 
I'm almost certain you were 

471
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,880
crying because you are hungry. 
Ioffer you the bottle up 100% 

472
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,480
confirm you are crying because 
the plastic teeth is being 

473
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,120
thrust into your face. 
I'm told it's best to offer it 

474
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,440
to you before you are 
distressed, which I mean by 

475
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,280
which I mean every time I try to
offer it, you become distressed 

476
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,720
immediately afterwards. 
We both know that you just want 

477
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,160
your mum, but we were hoping to 
get that a break and we'll keep 

478
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,960
hoping because what is the 
alternative? 

479
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,960
I do think that you would love 
it if you tried it, but people 

480
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,680
said the same to me about 
Dungeons and Dragons, so I do 

481
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,840
also understand your hesitation.
If I had to give it one last go 

482
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760
before calling it a day, and 
even the angle or the lighting 

483
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,760
or the timing must have changed.
But you take it in that moment, 

484
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,600
I am happier than the day that 
you before. 

485
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,840
I am no longer simply a bucker 
zone, delaying the inevitable. 

486
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,880
Now everything is possible. 
I have all of the tools that I 

487
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,040
need. 
I am the milkman. 

488
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,320
I am super hot. 
I am your sustenance provider. 

489
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,640
I message your monster. 
I message your monster. 

490
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,800
She might as well be the spa 
weekend. 

491
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,760
I can take it from here. 
We managed to stay out but twice

492
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,240
as long as ever before. 
You've not just given your mom a

493
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,240
break, you have given your dad a
breakthrough. 

494
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,480
I take you to a cafe for an ice 
latte to celebrate too. 

495
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:53,520
Perfectly contented monkey. 
Alright. 

496
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,160
And then this one I think 
exemplifies what I think is 

497
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,520
really important is that you do 
have no idea what you're doing 

498
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,480
at the start. 
And if you have to leave after 

499
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,280
two weeks, you continue to for 
useless. 

500
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,920
Whereas part of being there is 
getting it wrong and figuring it

501
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,760
out and not just referring to a 
person who's got more experience

502
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,400
being used. 
And this is day 34. 

503
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,800
It's called clunk. 
I pour your milk into the bottle

504
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,720
in here, the clunk of a frozen 
core. 

505
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,160
Clunk is not a word I've used to
describe milk before. 

506
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,280
Flashbacks of transporting 
sample pots in my inside pocket 

507
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,080
for warmth. 
I tried to trust it by the time 

508
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,720
you need to feed it with a full.
When that time comes, you make 

509
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,240
your face. 
That lets me know that's not the

510
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,200
case. 
I decide to wedge the bottle in 

511
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,240
my armpits. 
I walked for 15 minutes with it 

512
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,880
held this right. 
I hope that's long enough for 

513
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,440
both of you to be less frosty at
the nicotine and to in it to see

514
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,560
that I would do this without 
thinking before long. 

515
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,800
And sometimes the way of getting
things right is finding new ways

516
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,080
of getting it wrong. 
Right now you were asleep and 

517
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,000
your mom is asleep and that 
means everything is OK. 

518
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,400
Tomorrow is another chance to 
get it wrong. 

519
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,320
And then I would finish on this 
one because I think I was lucky 

520
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,040
enough that 35 years ago, my mom
and dad job shared so they could

521
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640
raise me and my brother equally.
At the time, they didn't have 

522
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,880
any design, even plays. 
They work for a small charity, 

523
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,680
but that was the example that we
would give them. 

524
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,440
And I grew up watching my 
brother be an incredible dad and

525
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,880
say equal time off with his 
wife. 

526
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,600
And so that was thinking I 
always wanted to see if I'm 

527
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,600
being honest, I thought, but I 
was doing that to help share the

528
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,360
burden account that to try and 
make it easier for my wife to 

529
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,000
try and give her a break from my
son. 

530
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,320
But I realized I was doing as I 
was sharing in the joy and the 

531
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,320
wonder of parenting as well. 
And that is something that I 

532
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,560
wish for for all the parents, 
for all fathers. 

533
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,880
And so this last column is an 
example of that. 

534
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,080
And then I will give over to 
baby with more supercondicable 

535
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:58,600
knowledge and his statistics. 
But thank you sooner to your 

536
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,680
eyes remain open for bigger 
stretches now, no longer in any 

537
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,000
constant state that either 
sleeping or wishing that you 

538
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,360
were you could spend hours on 
end just looking around taking 

539
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,160
it or when the book says you'll 
be awake for long enough that 

540
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,480
you might cry from boredom. 
So for one subconscious enough 

541
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,200
about my conversation as and yet
how can you be bored when you 

542
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,600
were seeing so much for the 
first time all of the time, when

543
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,920
at any point your brain might 
switch from black and white to 

544
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,560
color eyes wove a wonder you 
haven't just dared taking it all

545
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,560
in. 
How can you be bored when the 

546
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,320
sky is so big? 
When the board is so 

547
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,120
interesting, when people are so 
interested? 

548
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,040
When I placed a picture of a 
Penguin so close to your face 

549
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,040
and my sponics in front row at 
the eye man? 

550
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,800
How can you be bored? 
When the day is so gross, when 

551
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,680
the road is so bumpy, When you 
have an award-winning 

552
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,760
entertainer for a father? 
You've just gone through a 

553
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,920
tunnel for the first time. 
You don't even know what a bird 

554
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,200
is. 
The lying you know tummy comes 

555
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,680
as exercise. 
How can you be bored when this 

556
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,080
existence is so utterly and 
strolling, when this world holds

557
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,880
so much wonder, When it is 
enough to simply look around, 

558
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,120
taking it all in, when your eyes
finally closed and you are heavy

559
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,080
on my chest? 
I want to take a photo, but I'm 

560
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,800
too afraid to wait you to decide
to. 

561
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,920
The rest of the world can wait, 
because how can I be bored when 

562
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,960
you are here, which you are 
ever. 

563
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,800
It is enough to simply sit and 
stare, taking it's full. 

564
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,120
Harry had everybody laughing and
crying at the same time. 

565
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,640
What a poet. 
And he speaks from the heart and

566
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,680
has a son of his own. 
So yeah, that was a beautiful, 

567
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,640
beautiful speech from Harry. 
Next up we have the MP Stella 

568
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,280
Creasy. 
Please don't worry, I'm not 

569
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,280
going to attempt to sing. 
It's absolutely fine. 

570
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,320
What I am going to first and 
foremost do is say that we have 

571
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,280
got to give a massive, massive 
thank you to Jolie and Elliot 

572
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:11,960
for being a continual. 
They are, and I called it every 

573
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,480
time. 
There are the Dolly and Kenny, a

574
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:21,000
paid parental leave, the Bell 
and Sue for Charles and Camilla,

575
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:27,760
the Superman and Wonder Woman 
who had literally kept this on 

576
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,040
the agenda in politics, rain or 
shine. 

577
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,880
And I am so, so grateful to be 
on this journey with them 

578
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,440
because every single time we get
a set back I get a text from 

579
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,480
Joni which is like crap on. 
So can we just give them a 

580
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,480
massive round of thoughts 
Because without them we wouldn't

581
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:51,080
be able to do this? 
Hello. 

582
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Oh, I know the fat waist right 
now doesn't look great. 

583
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,280
I am hopeful in Jesus Christ. 
I'm a parent of young kids and 

584
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,120
I'm wearing white trousers. 
Of course, of course I'm 

585
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,000
hopeful. 
But I'm also wearing pink 

586
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,320
because pink is my political act
in this agenda. 

587
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,560
Because of flamingos. 
A Flamingo goes white after it 

588
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,880
gives birth because of the 
biological exhaustion of looking

589
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,760
after a baby. 
Every woman in this audience 

590
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,560
who's ever done that knows 
exactly why those flamingos have

591
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,840
gone white. 
And that's the thing we are 

592
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,160
missing. 
The colour, the creativity, the 

593
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,840
productivity, the benefits of 
women being able to be who they 

594
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,680
are all the time, whether they 
have kids or not in our society,

595
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,600
in our economy, because of the 
way that we've set things up. 

596
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,640
That is why the motherhood 
penalty exists. 

597
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,480
So when I wear pink, it is to 
remind my colleagues of 

598
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,960
everything that we are missing 
in this world right now because 

599
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,720
we haven't sorted this 
challenge. 

600
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,080
Every single woman who is being 
locked out of the workplace or 

601
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,440
feels that she can't be who she 
is because right now she is just

602
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,679
exhausted. 
I just want to give a massive 

603
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,159
shout out to everybody who's 
here with a newborn baby. 

604
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,400
It is about 1:30 in the 
afternoon. 

605
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:25,159
You've had about 3-4 hours sleep
in chunks and you've shown up. 

606
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,040
And I am in awe of you because 
it is an extraordinary thing to 

607
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:35,000
be able to do. 
But I'm I'm also in awe of every

608
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,679
dad and second parent who wants 
to be part of this because right

609
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,440
now you're not part of our 
conversations in that place and 

610
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,560
you should be. 
And so we are missing out for 

611
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,199
you too. 
This isn't a competition, is 

612
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,760
about the collaboration. 
And what we're trying to do is 

613
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,320
the start, not the end of 
changing things because there is

614
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,240
so much we need to sort out. 
I want to give a shout out to 

615
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,640
every single parent trying to 
raise children. 

616
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,360
I want to give a shout out to 
everybody with multiple 

617
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,160
children. 
Jesus Christ, the meconium from 

618
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,280
one child at a time was enough. 
I want to give a shout out to 

619
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,920
every parent of a child with 
special educational needs. 

620
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,920
Yes, this is a complicated 
subject, but right now we are 

621
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,040
letting perfect be the enemy of 
goods. 

622
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,160
I tabled the amendments, the 
Employment Rights Act, to get 

623
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,880
paid parental leave, not because
I thought there was one single 

624
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,280
policy, but because I recognize 
that when we are so far behind 

625
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,000
our European counterparts, this 
isn't what's bad for the 

626
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,160
economy. 
This is good for the economy. 

627
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,200
This is good for society. 
We cannot let the review that we

628
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,000
now have be the reason why we 
don't make progress now. 

629
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,960
I want to give a massive shout 
out to my partner in crime in 

630
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Parliament on this, who's 
sitting over there now. 

631
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,520
I'm a Labour and cooperative MP,
JoJo is a Conservative peer. 

632
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,440
If that doesn't tell you that, 
this debate is not business as 

633
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,120
usual in that place to me. 
JoJo and I have been trying to 

634
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,720
change the law. 
We lost the vote in Jojo's house

635
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:27,000
by 6 votes. 
That is a margin that we can 

636
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,200
overturn, but only with you 
guys. 

637
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,440
When the new parliament returns,
we're going to try again. 

638
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,400
And I want to thank every single
campaign organization who is 

639
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,200
helping to make that case and 
show that actually, when the 

640
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,120
world is this uncertain, the 
thing that we do do are the 

641
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,520
things that are good for the 
economy and good for society. 

642
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,320
Because I tell you this, if we 
don't win the argument, there is

643
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,080
another argument out there 
that's come into that place too.

644
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,160
It's the argument that says the 
problem this country has is its 

645
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,640
fertility rate is women are 
asking too much. 

646
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,920
Women are not having enough 
babies. 

647
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,000
As if you're all starfish and 
you reproduce asexually. 

648
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,040
It's just about women. 
Don't be fooled that Handmaid's 

649
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,760
Tale agenda is now being 
actively debated in Parliament 

650
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,400
so every single one of you faces
a very clear choice. 

651
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,280
Never be on the back foot in 
fighting for the change that we 

652
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,280
know will make a difference to 
every family, in every 

653
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,200
formulation, in every community,
in every industry, in every 

654
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,600
economy. 
Because if you don't speak up, 

655
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,640
well, those other people will. 
And you've heard that drum beat.

656
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,520
You've heard the people 
complaining that women aren't 

657
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,760
having enough babies. 
You've heard the women saying, 

658
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,960
like Em agreed, that somehow 
women wanting to work flexibly 

659
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,080
are holding themselves back. 
You've heard Piers Morgan make 

660
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,080
fun of men who look after their 
babies. 

661
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,520
If you don't fill the space with
your voices, telling my 

662
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,600
colleagues this time round we 
need to see this happen. 

663
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:04,480
Six weeks and 90% pay well, the 
other debate is going to win. 

664
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,360
This is a fight for the future. 
We want to give every single kid

665
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,320
here so that no more the people 
feel that the struggle and 

666
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,000
juggle is somehow normal. 
It's not normal. 

667
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,720
This shouldn't be that hard. 
We should all be able to be 

668
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:28,280
Chilly and bandit. 
I am going to do my level best 

669
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,040
to make sure that Jolie doesn't 
have to keep texting any of us 

670
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,320
anymore. 
But you need to use your voice. 

671
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,160
Tell your MP that when those 
changes come back in the new 

672
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,800
Parliament, now is the time for 
change. 

673
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,280
Tell your MP that you will 
support them. 

674
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,840
Whenever anybody says this is 
somehow bad for business, the 

675
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,120
opposite is true. 
Tell your MP we're not going to 

676
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,760
wait anymore because we are too 
tired, too frustrated and too 

677
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,960
busy washing all the yogurt off 
our trousers and our sofas and 

678
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:02,680
that weird stainless on a jacket
that just won't go away. 

679
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,000
But you're pretty sure it's not.
We haven't got time for this to 

680
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,480
be something that's always put 
on the back burner anymore. 

681
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,520
9090% in six weeks is the start,
not the end. 

682
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Let's get that, and then we can 
get more. 

683
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,560
And then every single one of 
these young people will never 

684
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,240
have to protest for this again. 
Wouldn't that be a brilliant 

685
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:27,840
thing? 
Thank you to Stella who always 

686
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,440
does a cracking job at these 
events and I love Terranology of

687
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,440
the Flamingo. 
Next up we have CBeebies 

688
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,840
presenter and dad Venger Nigel 
Clark. 

689
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Hello. 
Everyone, hello. 

690
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,200
Hello. 
Thank you so much for coming out

691
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,200
today. 
Thank you to Parenting Out Loud 

692
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,800
for organizing it. 
It's so lovely to see dads, 

693
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,000
mums, kids, families all here 
together because before anyone 

694
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,520
has even said a word, that 
speaks volumes to the people 

695
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,880
that work at you there, don't 
you think? 

696
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,960
OK, so. 
So my name's Nigel, and a lot of

697
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,440
you know me from CBeebies, from 
educating and entertaining your 

698
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,720
children. 
I'm not going to bust them to 

699
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:13,760
someone right now. 
The baby friends, the baby tub. 

700
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:19,560
Yet you know how much that show 
has supported you, OK, And how 

701
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,240
much it's supported people in 
this country. 

702
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,000
Imagine if that show wasn't 
there. 

703
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,680
Imagine if CBeebies wasn't 
there. 

704
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,800
It'd be a different place. 
You'd feel less supportive. 

705
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,400
That's feel that way now, don't 
we? 

706
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:37,000
I would want things to change. 
Through my work with CBDS, I 

707
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,840
have founded an organization 
called Dad Ventures. 

708
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,800
We support dads on their 
parenting journeys. 

709
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,920
And that happened because I saw 
there was so little support out 

710
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,840
there for them. 
And I've done a lot of work with

711
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,200
expectant fathers through our 
Expectant Fathers course. 

712
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,280
And some of the things that I've
heard that that's saying, and 

713
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,040
these are like direct quotes, I 
felt like I couldn't even hold 

714
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,040
my baby before I went back to 
work. 

715
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,400
I felt like a spare part in 
those early days. 

716
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,800
And then I got dragged back to 
the day-to-day. 

717
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,720
These people have wanted to 
help, they've wanted to support,

718
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,440
they've wanted to give their 
time, but they hadn't been 

719
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,640
supported by their workplaces. 
And that is not fair. 

720
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:29,200
That impact runs deep because 
those early moments, they aren't

721
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,240
just small moments. 
I think, and I think you agree 

722
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,640
that they are everything. 
Those are the monies that we 

723
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,360
bond with our children. 
I've had people already come up 

724
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,640
to me today and say thank you, 
Nigel, you helped me so much 

725
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,200
when Baby Cup was on you. 
You helped me bond with my baby.

726
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,040
You helped us have some 
beautiful times. 

727
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,840
If we supported our dads to have
those beautiful times, 

728
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:01,120
everything, our economy, our 
workplaces, our social spaces 

729
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,720
will change and that is what 
we're here for today. 

730
00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:13,910
Now The thing is, we already 
know better. 

731
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,160
The research has been done. 
We know that involved fathers 

732
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,680
improve outcomes for children. 
We know that it supports mental 

733
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,480
health. 
We know that it creates 

734
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,760
stronger, more resilient 
families. 

735
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,880
So the question is, isn't 
doesn't matter. 

736
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,320
The question is why aren't we 
doing more about it? 

737
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,600
Why is paternity to be still 
treated as a bonus instead of a 

738
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,120
basic? 
Why is so many that's forced to 

739
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,000
use unpaid leave, annual leave, 
or simply just to miss out all 

740
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,440
together? 
Why does support depend on where

741
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,280
you work right now? 
Good support isn't the norm, 

742
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,480
it's the exception, and that is 
not good enough. 

743
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,640
Through their benches, we work 
with organizations to help them 

744
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,160
do better, to move beyond the 
policies that just tick the 

745
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,360
boxes to to cultures that 
genuinely support fathers. 

746
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,800
And when these organizations get
it right, the change that you 

747
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,000
see is immense. 
That's come back from paternity 

748
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,760
leave. 
More engaged families feel 

749
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,080
supportive. 
Workplaces become stronger. 

750
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,640
This isn't just good for 
families, it's good for business

751
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:29,520
and it's good for society. 
So what we're asking for isn't 

752
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:35,920
unrealistic or stupid, is it? 
Today isn't about confrontation.

753
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,560
It's about visibility. 
What we're asking for is fair, 

754
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,760
it's necessary, and it's long 
overdue. 

755
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:49,560
It's about making sure this 
conversation isn't ignored. 

756
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,520
It's about the dads that are 
coming up. 

757
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,320
It's about the next generation 
of dads. 

758
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,840
We don't want those dads 
worrying about spending time 

759
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,360
with their kids or going back to
work. 

760
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,120
We want them to be able to be 
able to step back after having 

761
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,960
paternity leave and feel 
supported, not sidelined. 

762
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,360
So if you're here today, thank 
you. 

763
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,240
If you brought your family along
today, thank you. 

764
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,640
If you've talked about change 
like this, if you've shared, if 

765
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,200
you've just helped this happen, 
please give yourselves a 

766
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:28,560
massive, massive round of 
applause because change doesn't 

767
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,400
happen overnight. 
Change happens when people show 

768
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,480
up like you're showing up today.
So I want to leave you with one 

769
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,560
thing before I go. 
Years from now, your children 

770
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,800
aren't going to remember the 
emails you sent, the meetings 

771
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,680
you were in or how busy work 
was. 

772
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,480
They're going to remember who 
showed up, who held them, who 

773
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,720
supported their mums, who was 
present when it mattered most. 

774
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,200
That is what today is really 
about. 

775
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,880
It's not policy for policy sake.
It's not ticking boxes. 

776
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,080
It's about giving Vads the 
chance to be there for the 

777
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,160
moments that shape a lifetime. 
So let's not let this be a one 

778
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,560
day conversation, folks. 
Let's keep pushing. 

779
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,360
Let's keep speaking up. 
Let's keep showing up because 

780
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,200
that's do matter. 
And when Vads are supported, 

781
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,720
families are stronger. 
Thank you. 

782
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,680
So grateful to Nigel who's been 
such an avid supporter of 

783
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,200
increasing paternity leave for 
years. 

784
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:43,200
Next up we have Be a happier 
parent on Instagram whose real 

785
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:49,000
name is Alex Trippier I I. 
Cannot believe they put me on 

786
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,120
after the CBeebies guy. 
Like like literally all the kids

787
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,360
are like Nigel's been on Let's 
go. 

788
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,560
Like it's like going on after 
Taylor Swift. 

789
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,520
Can I just? 
Get a quick show of hands. 

790
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,560
Who was brought with them today?
A child between the ages of one 

791
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,960
and three. 
Wow, my warriors, That's the 

792
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,280
one. 
That is the age when you're 

793
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,840
trying to put them in the pram 
and they do the prank. 

794
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,200
No, I slide down the back of you
can't put me in. 

795
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,920
I don't miss that. 
Six weeks with dads. 

796
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,520
It's not about dads. 
I'm going to talk to you about 

797
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,040
mums, I'm going to talk to you 
about kids and I'll leave a bit 

798
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,560
of time for dads at the end. 
My job is trying to understand 

799
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,320
why couples fall out so much 
when they have young kids, why 

800
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,160
we think we're going to have 
this blissful time that's going 

801
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,960
to bring us together. 
But actually, often it really 

802
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,080
pushes us apart and I get 
messages and emails every day 

803
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:57,800
from mums who are overwhelmed, 
they're exhausted, they're 

804
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:03,440
living on the edge of burnout. 
And they asked me, can you try 

805
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,600
and help me find the words to 
explain to my partner just how 

806
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,000
much I'm carrying? 
Those are the good emails. 

807
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,680
Those are the ones I could do 
something about. 

808
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,160
And they get a lot of 
interactions from mums who've 

809
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,360
given up trying to have that 
conversation and they checked 

810
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,600
out and they are now just 
looking for a way to leave 

811
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:30,960
without hurting the children. 
In the last 30 years, the 

812
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,000
expectations of parents has 
skyrocketed. 

813
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:40,000
Our understanding of what it 
takes to nourish young brains 

814
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,080
and bodies has got so much 
bigger. 

815
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Now, you might think some of 
those expectations were 

816
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,760
nonsense. 
It's irrelevant. 

817
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,400
They exist and at the moment 
they fall squarely on the 

818
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,400
shoulder of mothers. 
Why? 

819
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,080
Because we tell them it's their 
job. 

820
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:03,320
Our parental leave system says 
that in black and white, Dad, 

821
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,200
it's your job. 
You go back to work as quick as 

822
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,840
you can. 
That is how you're going to look

823
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,080
after your children. 
You're going to make money, Mum.

824
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,360
You're going to do. 
Everything else and then you're 

825
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,000
going to go back to work and 
make money because families 

826
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,920
can't exist on one income 
anymore. 

827
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,760
And that sticks. 
It sticks because men don't have

828
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,960
the lived experience of carrying
that full responsibility. 

829
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,120
We just don't. 
We don't understand what it's 

830
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,120
like. 
In the same way, mums, you don't

831
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,720
know what it's like to be given 
the message that actually once 

832
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,400
you have children, you're going 
to crack on pretty much exactly 

833
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,280
as you were before, but maybe 
work a bit harder. 

834
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Six weeks at 90% pay will take 
some of that overwhelming burden

835
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,440
off mothers and it will save 
relationships. 

836
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,120
Kids. 
My kids are here. 

837
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,200
My oldest is 17, my youngest is 
13. 

838
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,280
No one knows how old the middle 
child is. 

839
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:13,000
There's a middle child. 
I hear a lot that this 

840
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,640
generation have no confidence 
and no resilience. 

841
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,200
And I'm like, you need to come 
and meet my kids. 

842
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,520
They're like the best people I 
know, and one of the reasons 

843
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,320
they are so resilient, apart 
from if I ask them to pick stuff

844
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,080
off the floor, in which case 
they need a mental health day, 

845
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,240
it's too much that they can't do
that is that they have two 

846
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,600
strong attachments, not just 
one. 

847
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,240
I'm one of the lucky ones. 
I've been able to mold my career

848
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:45,000
around time with my children. 
So many families can't afford 

849
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,280
that. 
We know there is an indisputable

850
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,760
link between fathers and 
resilience and fathers and 

851
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,440
mental health, particularly in 
teenagers. 

852
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,000
And that is a relationship that 
starts early. 

853
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,760
You can't just walk in on the 
13th birthday and be like, I'm 

854
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,360
your dad. 
Let's talk like you've got 

855
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,800
you've got to be showing them 
that care from early. 

856
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:11,440
It's about trust. 
Six weeks at 90% pay and we will

857
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,120
have mentally stronger, more 
resilient children. 

858
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:18,720
All right. 
Dads, dads, dads, dads, dads, 

859
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:24,960
dads, dad my dad I I don't have 
to explain this to you do. 

860
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,600
I. 
Like, you get it. 

861
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,560
And I'm going to get a bit 
emotional because I spend a lot 

862
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,000
of my time fielding anger 
towards dads for not doing 

863
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,160
enough. 
And when I try and explain this 

864
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,000
to dads, I'm like, look, this 
isn't your fault. 

865
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,800
You didn't create this massive 
imbalance in expectation, but it

866
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,200
is however your problem. 
It's your problem and it's your 

867
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,120
responsibility to fix it. 
And that is what I'm looking at.

868
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,600
Here is a bunch of men who are 
fixing that massive imbalance. 

869
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,840
We know. 
We know that care changes men in

870
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,160
the best possible way. 
It changes our brain shape. 

871
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,680
It changes our hormones. 
It makes us more empathetic. 

872
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,200
Six weeks paternity leave, 90% 
pay. 

873
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,280
We will save overburdened mums. 
We will save relationships. 

874
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:31,880
We will have healthier kids. 
And we will build better men. 

875
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,840
And we need better men. 
Thank you. 

876
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:45,480
Alex is so good at understanding
the specific challenges that 

877
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,920
couples experience because of 
the system and articulating it 

878
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,400
in such a way that you really 
can't argue with it. 

879
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,240
So we're really grateful to Alex
for making the time to come and 

880
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:01,440
speak. 
Next up we have Co founder of 

881
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:07,120
Dadshift, Alex Lloyd Hunter. 
Hi everyone, I'm Alice Lloyd 

882
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,520
Hunter. 
I'm Co founder of the that 

883
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,520
shift. 
We are a CrossFit campaign to 

884
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,440
improve potentially with 10s of 
thousands of people across the 

885
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,880
country. 
We started the that shift 

886
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,000
because we love being dads. 
I think that fatherhood is the 

887
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,600
most incredible thing a man 
could do with his life and we 

888
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,080
exist to help men do more of it.
I suspected everyone would feel 

889
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,680
the same. 
And the reality is we are not 

890
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,560
alone. 
This generation of fathers is 

891
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,520
leading a revolution in how we 
see our role in the family. 

892
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,600
We are rejecting the model of 
distant, closed off breadwinner 

893
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,400
that was handed down to us by 
our fathers and our grandfathers

894
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,280
generations. 
But that cultural shift is 

895
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,440
running into the reality of a 
society and a political system 

896
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,760
that still defines us for our 
jobs. 

897
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,240
It defines our wives and our 
partners through their families.

898
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,120
And so we have a system where we
want to do things equally. 

899
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,000
But we have mums overwhelmed, 
drowning with everything at 

900
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
home, was locked out of 
opportunities at work, and dads 

901
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,240
stuck behind the desk wishing 
they were at home with their 

902
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,680
kids. 
And our Public Enemy #1 the 

903
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,120
thing that is driving that from 
the first day our kids were born

904
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,920
is our absolutely rubbish 
paternity leave. 

905
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,880
How is it so we are see 
ourselves as this 

906
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,600
forward-looking enlightened 
country and yet we have the 

907
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,440
worst paternity leave in the 
whole of Europe, even the 

908
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,000
Vatican City, a country where it
has a lot of celibate priests 

909
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,120
and the Pope gets better 
paternity leave than we do It's 

910
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,920
wild. 
So there's one message I wanted 

911
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,280
to give you all today. 
It might not feel it when you're

912
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,720
needy, pin a proof closure, but 
parenting is political and we 

913
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:44,720
all have power. 
Parents have power because this 

914
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,240
government was elected off the 
back of our votes. 

915
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,120
Millennials and parents were 
more likely to vote for Labour 

916
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,040
in 2024 than any other 
demographic group. 

917
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,480
And because they are there 
because of us, that gives us 

918
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,720
power. 
They need to start delivering 

919
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,280
for us because the reality is 
that in this country, parents 

920
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,040
are too often hung out to drive 
opportunity. 

921
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,480
Leave. 
It starts with opportunity, the 

922
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,480
worst in Europe. 
We then have maternity leave 

923
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,600
paid at 5 point an hour below 
the poverty line. 

924
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,440
And then when we're back to 
work, we have to somehow work 

925
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,080
out, how do we work until 5:30 
and be at the school gates at 

926
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,520
3:30? 
How do we fit 13 weeks of school

927
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,600
holidays into five weeks of 
annual leave when we don't have 

928
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,840
the flexible working rights that
will make that possible? 

929
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,560
And then our kids go up and they
get phones. 

930
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,200
And then we have to protect them
from the social media that our 

931
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,840
government is so far failing to 
protect them from themselves. 

932
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,520
It doesn't have to be like this.
And my message is we are going 

933
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,320
to be the generation that fixes 
it. 

934
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,360
We're going to hand down 
something better to our kids and

935
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,440
to the the generations that come
after them. 

936
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,600
Because parents are the sleeping
giant in our politics and we are

937
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,000
starting to realize that. 
We are starting to learn what 

938
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,280
our power is. 
So the more we do together, the 

939
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,080
more we come together when we 
talk about this on social media,

940
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,040
the more we nag our politicians 
and when we do stunts and get 

941
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,480
ourselves in the news, the more 
our power grows. 

942
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,160
So let's do this. 
Let's fix this. 

943
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,960
Let's get some proper decent 
potentially that we deserve. 

944
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,440
I want to finish by thanking 
Jolie and Elliot not just for 

945
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,480
organizing this, but for being 
the the OG, the parental leave 

946
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,280
campaigning, doing this for 
years before with that shift 

947
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,680
even was a Colonel in my eye. 
What the phrases. 

948
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,240
Also thank you to Stella who was
just speaking. 

949
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:33,480
She's been pushing the boulder 
up the hill in parliament for 

950
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,840
years. 
When no one else is talking 

951
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,960
about this. 
Thank you Stella, and thank you 

952
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,880
to everyone. 
Like the Father Institute here 

953
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,880
and here as well. 
They've been fighting for dads 

954
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,760
for decades. 
All the stuff that that shift is

955
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,120
doing is building on the 
foundations that these 

956
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,000
organizations laid and in 
particular Jolly and pregnant 

957
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,160
and screwed. 
I really don't think without 

958
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,600
pregnant and screwed that that 
shift could exist because it was

959
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,480
mom's standing up and saying we 
want our dads. 

960
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,440
We want our kids dads to be at 
home and a bigger part of their 

961
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,160
kids lives and made it possible 
for men to say, actually, yeah, 

962
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,880
we want that too. 
That's OK for us to want to. 

963
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,040
So thank you, Charlie. 
Thank you, Elliot. 

964
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:08,960
Let's keep fighting. 
Thank you. 

965
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,280
Dad Shift have really changed 
the game when it comes to 

966
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,560
paternity leave. 
Many of us have been campaigning

967
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,080
on maternity leave for years and
years and years and we were 

968
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,280
really grateful to Dad Shift for
coming along and being men 

969
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,560
shouting for better paternity 
leave. 

970
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,360
So thank you, Alex, for 
supporting the March and for 

971
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,240
coming to speak. 
Next up, we have somebody that I

972
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:38,160
know very, very well, Jolie 
Braley. 

973
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,760
Oh wow. 
What isn't it guys? 

974
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,400
My watch has just told me I need
to stretch. 

975
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,320
So when I say what do we want? 
And you say proper paternity 

976
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,320
leave and then I say when do we 
want it? 

977
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,200
And you say now I want you to 
punch the air because we all 

978
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,640
need to move a bit. 
OK, you ready? 

979
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,280
What do we want? 
When do we want it? 

980
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,720
Yeah, it's amazing. 
Wow. 

981
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:10,040
Thank you all for mostly for 
getting here really safe because

982
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,680
I was responsible for the risk 
assessment. 

983
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,720
And honestly, that thing is the 
bane of my life. 

984
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,640
I was imagining I was having 
waking up in cold sweats, 

985
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,080
imagining like a pile up of 
prams with some, like, squealing

986
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,360
dabs under it and saying I 
thought this would be a nice day

987
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,200
out. 
What have you done to me? 

988
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:33,760
The last time I was here at a 
protest on Parliament Square was

989
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,280
on a big red bus over here for 
March of the Mummies, and I 

990
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,880
looked out at a sea of hopeful 
but furious faces. 

991
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:49,880
And at the time I was furious. 
I was incandescent with rage and

992
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,280
I was crossed because I've been 
campaigning for eight years and 

993
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,840
in that time nothing had 
changed. 

994
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,840
In fact, things have got 
significantly worse. 

995
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,360
The number of women experiencing
pregnancy and maternity 

996
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,000
discrimination had almost 
doubled. 

997
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,240
Women were having to leave their
job because of childcare costs, 

998
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,880
which were going through the 
roof. 

999
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,080
The number of women having 
abortions because of childcare 

1000
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,040
costs had almost doubled. 
Flexible working requests were 

1001
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,960
being called so people were 
being told they had to get back 

1002
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,640
to the office and we'd just come
out of a pandemic where women 

1003
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,680
have been giving. 
Birth alone. 

1004
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:32,120
Being war. 
But today in 2000 and six, 2016,

1005
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,440
two, 1026, I'm feeling quite a 
lot more chill. 

1006
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,480
So I'm going to talk to you 
about the motherhood penalty 

1007
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:47,760
through interpretive dance. 
And I want you all. 

1008
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,440
To join in. 
Who here knows the Running Man? 

1009
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Dance. 
Move. 

1010
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,040
Come on. 
Where's Stella? 

1011
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,840
Stella knows it. 
Where's Stella? 

1012
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,000
She's gone. 
Agnes. 

1013
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,680
Come on. 
Right. 

1014
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,560
I want. 
Are we going to all learn there?

1015
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,040
Agnes, you can do the. 
Running, man. 

1016
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,840
I know you can. 
What are you going to do? 

1017
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,520
You pick your foot up. 
You put it down, You switch. 

1018
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,120
OK, But you're going to move 
your hands at the same time. 

1019
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,160
Come on. 
You ready? 

1020
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,960
I need some action. 
Energy. 

1021
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:19,960
Let's go. 
You ready? 

1022
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:37,160
Guys and without music, we're 
going to rebrand that dance move

1023
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:42,960
to the running parents because 
whilst we continuously feel like

1024
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,800
we're running on the spot and 
we're just not moving forward, 

1025
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,680
we do, We feel like we're not 
getting anywhere. 

1026
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,520
But thankfully things are 
changing. 

1027
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,280
They are going to start getting 
better. 

1028
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,600
We have an Employment Rights Act
thanks to charities and 

1029
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,600
campaigners and unions and that 
will give us rights to 

1030
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,520
miscarriage leave. 
It will reduce the amount of 

1031
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,440
Ndas that we see. 
It will give us better rights to

1032
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,040
flexible working. 
It will mean redundancy 

1033
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,840
protections for those who are 
pregnant, those who are on 

1034
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,600
maternity leave and those who 
have recently returned to it. 

1035
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:26,480
Because we stood out here in 
2022 on that big red bus, 15,000

1036
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,880
of you came out and marched the 
more affordable childcare. 

1037
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,880
We now do have more affordable 
childcare. 

1038
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,040
We have the 30 funded hour 
scheme, which is reduced cost. 

1039
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,440
I mean it's neither free nor is 
it 30 hours. 

1040
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,480
But still, you know, it's a step
in the right direction. 

1041
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:49,000
And today we are standing here 
to demand better parental leave 

1042
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,600
rights for all parents. 
So we can do this. 

1043
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,880
We can do this. 
We've seen it. 

1044
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,200
Protesting works. 
You making the efforts come out 

1045
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,800
today will make a huge 
difference. 

1046
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:07,920
The economy runs on two things. 
All economies run on this paid 

1047
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:15,680
work and unpaid care. 
For too long we have treated one

1048
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,120
as valuable and the other is 
completely invisible. 

1049
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:26,280
Mothers are expected to white 
knuckle it behind closed doors. 

1050
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,920
To do. 
Although often brutal, caring 

1051
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,480
work and never moan about it, 
just get on with it. 

1052
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Whilst we are propping up the 
economy with our unpaid labours,

1053
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,440
we can change that. 
We will change that together. 

1054
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:53,920
Thank. 
You thank you so. 

1055
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,120
Much. 
Yeah, it was worth the wait. 

1056
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,880
If any of you don't know the 
running man, then I hope you've 

1057
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,320
been practising it at home while
listening to this. 

1058
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,520
You know, I may be biased, but 
obviously that was the best 

1059
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:12,080
speech the lot. 
Next up, we have CEO of the 

1060
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,920
Fatherhood Institute, Kathy 
Jones. 

1061
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,160
Hello. 
Well done for hanging on in 

1062
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,720
there. 
I think it's time to go home 

1063
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,840
soon, isn't it? 
You've been amazing with all 

1064
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,840
your babies. 
I'm Kathy Jones. 

1065
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,440
I'm chief exec of the Fatherhood
Institute. 

1066
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,120
And I think it's all been said, 
and that's wonderful. 

1067
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,520
So I'm going to keep this 
really, really short and just 

1068
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,000
say we're so happy to be here to
support this sort of burgeoning 

1069
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,120
movement and this push the 
change in the world. 

1070
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,800
But we've been telling the story
of involved fatherhood for for 

1071
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,560
about 20 years now. 
And I think it's really 

1072
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,480
important to remember that the 
reason we do this is for our 

1073
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,160
children. 
And all the research that we 

1074
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:58,320
disseminate and publish tells 
incredible stories about men's 

1075
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,920
fatherhood and tells us that men
were built for fatherhood. 

1076
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,400
That's what they're essentially 
here for. 

1077
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:09,200
And but they are sort of cruelly
prevented from building those 

1078
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,800
really early attachments in the 
first period of life in that 

1079
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,920
critical moment. 
So I think I want to say we're 

1080
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,920
here to push, but we're going to
need to push, push, push to do 

1081
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,480
so much more. 
And the six weeks is just the 

1082
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,120
start as far as we're concerned.
And I think there's something 

1083
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:31,600
about how can we take this 1950s
model of parenting just so old 

1084
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,240
fashioned and out of date. 
It doesn't work for us. 

1085
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,920
Let's dismantle it and really 
think about how we can 

1086
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:42,280
redistribute care between 
mothers, fathers and others. 

1087
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,520
Have a great day. 
Just lovely to see you and say 

1088
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,640
thanks. 
Again, thank you to Kathy. 

1089
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,200
The Fatherhood Institute have 
been in this for the long haul. 

1090
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,320
They are the Dons when it comes 
to campaigning for better 

1091
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,840
paternity leave. 
And finally, you're going to 

1092
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:06,000
hear from me again and my Co 
host Elliot Ray as we close out 

1093
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,520
the event. 
I've emailed your MP, don't let 

1094
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,400
it rest. 
Drive them in saying go to the 

1095
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,160
meeting. 
Things drive them mad. 

1096
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:22,120
We can't get this over the line.
I am really confident that by 

1097
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,720
February next year we will have 
six weeks potentially with 90% 

1098
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,280
of salary in his. 
Thanks to all of you for being 

1099
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,440
here and for taking the time on 
a bank holiday weekend to join 

1100
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:33,120
us. 
Thank you. 

1101
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,240
This has been absolutely in 
frankly, give us another round 

1102
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,440
of applause. 
Please. 

1103
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,720
To all the moms, all the dads, 
all the beautiful children and 

1104
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,960
babies, we appreciate your time.
Thank you so much. 

1105
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,320
The sun has come out for us. 
We are so lucky. 

1106
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,320
And as Jody says, we're going to
do this right, Our children, 

1107
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,480
when they have kids, the dads 
are going to have six weeks at 

1108
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,400
least pay paternity if they're 
going to hell. 

1109
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,560
Yeah. 
We are changing what parenthood 

1110
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,440
looks like. 
We are changing what motherhood 

1111
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,440
and fatherhood looks like. 
And we are all involved. 

1112
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,680
Every part, everyone here has 
played your part in this 

1113
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,560
movement. 
I am so proud. 

1114
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,960
We are so proud. 
There's been months in the 

1115
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,680
making and it's been so, so 
worthy. 

1116
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:18,880
I want to get the end of a quick
story. 

1117
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,600
There's a dad that I know. 
He has two kids. 

1118
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,040
His first was born before COVID 
and he had the two weeks of 

1119
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,720
paternity leave of his his first
child. 

1120
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,360
He went back to work, got on 
with it. 

1121
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,320
The second child was born a 
couple years later in COVID 

1122
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,760
actually, and he was able to be 
there with his kid, wondering 

1123
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,680
with his kid, doing bath times, 
doing bed times. 

1124
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,440
And now years later, his younger
kid. 

1125
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,160
When his younger kid is upset, 
he goes to his dad for comfort. 

1126
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,040
When his younger kid needs 
something for to help him, when 

1127
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,560
he's got a nightmare at night, 
when he's not sure of himself, 

1128
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,800
his first oral call is to go to 
his dad. 

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This stuff is around how we 
increase bonds between dads and 

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their children. 
This is in future stuff. 

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This is important stuff. 
We are here changing lives. 

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Thank you so much everyone. 
We love you all. 

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Take care, I'll see you soon. 
So thank you for listening, 

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thank you to everybody that 
attended and supported, thank 

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you to everybody that 
volunteered and promoted the 

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event. 
That was a real community 

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effort, pulling that off. 
If you've listened to those 

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speeches and thought, my God, we
need paternity leave, then 

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please write to your MP. 
That's something very proactive 

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that you can do and do it now 
because the government are 

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currently undertaking A parental
leave review and we need to make

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as much noise as possible. 
Thank you everyone, see you 

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soon.