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Duncan Egg have a series of 
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and then villainous things 
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more scenes of them being Duncan
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he thought he knew as someone 
else entirely after some more 

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villainous moments. 
All that and more on this 

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episode of History of Westeros 
Podcast. 

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Hello and welcome everybody. 
Episode 3 is now in the books, 

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so to speak, and we're here to 
talk about it. 

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It's the Squire. 
Our breakdowns are every Monday 

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at six. 
A little bit of a difference 

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this week though. 
We're still here at 6:00 today 

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on Monday, but we will not be 
there at 5:30 on Friday for a 

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preview episode because of the 
Super Bowl. 

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The Super Bowl is this Sunday, 
and that means HBO is releasing 

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the episode early. 
It's gonna hit at 3:00 in the 

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morning on Friday. 
Is it 3 in the morning Saturday 

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or three in the morning? 
3:00 in the morning, Friday 

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Eastern. 
In the morning like. 

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Yes, like as in. 
As in Thursday. 

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Night. 
Thursday night, yes. 

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So it'll in other words, be out 
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review episode, and it's a bit 
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presume, assuming everything 
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end. 
But we still have our game 

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stream the six at Friday Duncan 
Egg game stream. 

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Sean, looks like not only do you
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cat. 
I do I I usually close the door 

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when I'm recording and I took a 
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sure enough immediately cat in 
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I hope you guys can deal with 
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Which one's that? 
Is that Cora? 

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It's tough. 
There's tough there. 

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She is too much. 
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Girl purring purring on the 
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Those are such sweet cats. 
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I love it. 
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what can I try to, you know, 
it's in my notes here. 

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Whenever I take notes, I usually
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you know, each scene and maybe a
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I'm really enthused about. 
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next to those. 
I have more asterisks than 

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anything so far. 
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things I'm excited to talk 
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Hell yeah. 
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This is my favorite episode so 
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The three pretty easily, and I 
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just a moment here. 
If you have questions for us, go

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ahead and hit us up here live in
the video or comment afterwards,

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or hit us up at 
westeroshistory@gmail.com. 

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You can find us on pretty much 
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We have a trivia question to 
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we'll talk about our favorite 
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the analysis. 
The trivia question is how old 

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is Aryan? 
Aryan Targaryen in the year 2 O 

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9, which is the year we're in 
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We don't actually have a precise
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I'll give you that caveat. 
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to guess within if you can guess
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years. 
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basically, and I will reveal it 
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up during the course of the 
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Now here's our poll. 
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for choices. 
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because I made this poll. 
What were your favorite Dunkin 

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Egg moments? 
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that's part of why I was able to
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But it's just so hard to pick. 
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Some of these aren't exactly the
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Well, one of them isn't. 
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They were just linked by what 
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Anyway, the first choice is 
Westeros Hello Operator, which 

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is linked to the sewing scene. 
Then we have breakfast 

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sandwiches and them doing 
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Those technically aren't the 
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much linked. 
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Fingered Alice, the analysis of 
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And then we have the retirement 
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know, raising peas and marrying 
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daughter and all that stuff. 
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You are in a place like this, 
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So that's really hard to choose 
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So we'll get to that in just a 
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Now, Sean, it's time for you to 
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and then we'll follow up. 
There are a lot of great 

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contenders, but if I can pick 
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moment than a scene when 
Duncan's trying to get the goose

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eggs and not the goose. 
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Tansel walks by and he tries to 
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eggs? 
She's like, I'll have her shield

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ready. 
She's kind of, you see her 

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smiling but a little weirded 
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And as they walk away, egg is 
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I loved breaking down the song 
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I thought that was an amazing 
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hilarious. 
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we nerds love to do, like talk 
about songs and like breakdown 

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the lyrics. 
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wouldn't think necessarily 
someone would do that with. 

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But it's more than that. 
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This is who Egg is. 
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He he talks to a horse in a way 
that's the opposite of how his 

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father taught him to do it. 
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of these sort of things and he 
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He's curious about these sort of
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It's very much character 
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combined with some great comedy,
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a lot of. 
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excellent example of that. 
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here. 
The Manfred and Lionel singing 

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Alice with Three Fingers and 
Your choice Shaya. 

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My favorite is the Westerosi 
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Little little schoolyard rhyme. 
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rhyme. 
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little hand clapping game. 
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see a version of it and a 
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And that scene was kind of also 
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teaching Egg how to sew, which I
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character beat in terms of of 
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deciding to go the other way and
he softens and then he just 

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teaches him something. 
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bundled together with like a 
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heartwarming scene. 
That's a great analysis. 

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I love that scene too. 
It's another example of comedy 

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combined with real character 
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building, and in this case, 
lore. 

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Of course, the Alice with Three 
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Maybe not so much lore in that 
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interested in Alice with Three 
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got quite a few. 
I thought another theme of this 

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Makar. 
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of Makar's parenting. 
Daron is a big part of this 

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episode, even though he's not 
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searching for him. 
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differently when Makar isn't 
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So that's a big deal too because
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But it's also Dunk being both a 
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brother to Egg than he's had. 
Like, Can you imagine one of his

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brothers teaching him to sew? 
Maybe one of his sisters would 

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now that I could see, but even 
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Then he risks his father finding
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don't do that, you know? 
All right, so let's talk about 

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favorite performance. 
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You have a comment on that? 
A quick comment on each of your 

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favorite scenes. 
I wanted to say for Eggs kind of

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breakdown of that song, 
especially considering another 

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moment in this episode. 
I bet you know, not to take away

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from his cleverness and 
contemplating it all, but I bet 

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the egg heard at least a piece 
of his analysis there from 

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somewhere else, someone else, 
And I based that one on like it 

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is pretty high thoughts for such
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But also the way Raymond falls 
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bit from Stefan, like he had all
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started hearings. 
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that he heard probably the whole
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reacting in that moment to never
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I bet Egg is heard that song 
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it. 
I don't think so. 

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I want to go out on the limb and
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Egg has never heard this 
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And this is just Egg, you know, 
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Like because like growing up and
taking like, like, you know, 

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reflecting, showing some like 
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I don't know how to put it, but 
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intelligent and and advanced for
his age he is. 

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I don't think he heard any of 
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Yeah, I do want to clarify that 
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don't want to take away from his
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someone else with one of those 
thoughts retain it and think to 

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tell Dunk. 
And also I don't think all those

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thoughts came from somewhere 
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And then it spurred him to think
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Regardless of my my thought on 
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exactly what you guys started to
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react the way Arlen would have. 
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Dunk had this instinct to be mad
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like, actually come here, let me
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You know what I mean? 
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probably Arlen every now and 
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teach egg something or teach 
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But but yeah, I also do think 
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theme of like Junk's growth over
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than his caregiver was. 
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That's a good way to to frame it
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Egg's side of the parenting 
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Arlen, which is a really good 
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Also, just the whole idea. 
I agree with that. 

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The sewing scene at that moment 
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That is kind of like when they 
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that if there's any moment where
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happens, it's that moment. 
But let's talk about our 

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favorite performances. 
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We've got plenty more on all 
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episode, but we're also excited 
to talk about so many things 

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about this particular episode 
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Sean, your favorite performance?
It's it's kind of nuanced and 

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it, you know, again, there's 
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because egg is stealing the 
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But but I'm going to say Aryan, 
I think that he did a good job 

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with what could have been very 
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You know what I mean? 
I think he's doing a good job of

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being I don't know how to 
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He's clearly a villain, but he's
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yelling And you know, he the 
things he's doing are, I don't 

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know, reserved control there. 
You know it. 

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It almost makes him more 
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really thinking out what he's 
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You know what I mean? 
He's not just wildly emotionally

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reacting, he's calm and cool 
here and it almost makes it more

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scary and more evil. 
I I totally agree. 

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I was going to say Aryan if you 
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have more thoughts on him later,
but I very much agree with what 

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you're saying there, Sean. 
What about you, Shaya? 

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I'll pick the low hanging fruit 
and egg, I suppose. 

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It was his episode. 
You know it was named the Squire

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predominantly for him. 
Not entirely for him, right? 

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But I, I just thought it was a 
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It showed him trying having a 
dog at spirit, as it were at the

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very beginning with, with 
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with Thunder, right. 
It showed a little bit of a 

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musical talent in his, in his 
rhyming. 

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No, but it also showed him 
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dark edge to him. 
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prophecy and by Aryan and, and, 
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makeup work as well, how they 
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underneath, but just the general
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He really, they gave him really 
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Oh, at the very end when he's 
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a young royal, right. 
So I I just this is meant to be 

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his showcase if there ever was 
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I said did you notice on that 
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picked that there were some 
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Don't might say that's weird now
that he knows that he knows Egg 

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has. 
Silver hairs, yeah. 

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Exactly. 
More than one weird thing about 

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it. 
Yeah, right. 

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Yeah, I was going to say either 
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So we're very, we're very much 
linked here. 

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I'd say Egg, like if episode 1 
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episode 3 is really Egg's 
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If, if it's anyone's right, and 
I think that's a fairway to put 

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it, I'll say Raymond. 
He was the other Squire here. 

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I've been fond of him all season
long. 

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I thought his scenes from this 
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with the book, but they added a 
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really well. 
They they expanded on it just a 

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little bit, but also kept it it 
kept the important parts to the 

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book and changed very little, 
just added some. 

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And yeah, so I've been fond of 
him all season. 

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He's the other Squire, and I'll 
pick him. 

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The episode begins with Egg 
waking up early to train. 

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He's staring at Duncan, and he's
probably thinking about the 

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things that he was thinking 
about last episode, about 

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whether he's capable enough. 
But he certainly isn't daunted. 

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So the Squire titles in motion 
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cool. 
Now, interesting point here. 

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We had our review episode, which
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talked about what we thought the
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We certainly predicted AG and 
Raymond and I neglected to 

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consider that Dunk of course was
a Squire till recently. 

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It's a kind of an obvious 
overlap. 

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Someone pointed that out and was
like, hey, what about more stuff

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about Dunk as a Squire? 
Which I thought, Oh yeah, of 

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course. 
But actually there really wasn't

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here. 
It could have been an 

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opportunity for that, but it 
didn't happen. 

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So anyway. 
Yeah, you're right. 

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They could have had another 
parallel and they didn't show 

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any flashbacks of him at all in 
this one, but they did show a 

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couple of flashbacks. 
Yeah, they just weren't dunk. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, I really love this opening

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shot where it pans over from 
Dunk asleep to Egg waking up, 

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because it really puts the 
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You know, you're like, oh, we're
following Egg, Dunk is asleep, 

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right? 
And then it has the editing of 

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the horse sound with Egg making 
the horse sound right to the 

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title card, which I thought 
thought was to very humorous 

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effect, which shows just like 
how how good the editing is here

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for for humor especially, I 
think. 

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I want to follow up. 
I want to say I totally agree 

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with you, Shay. 
I really appreciated that 

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opening sequence and the editing
made it. 

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But also I want to point out 
something I, I, I think was 

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probably intentional right at 
the beginning. 

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What we, you know, right 
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But as it moves over to Egg and 
he's on his side, you see, it's 

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hard to see. 
But the flicker of flame in his 

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eyes, which I don't think is 
accidental. 

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I think that they, they had to 
get that frame just right to get

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that little orange reflection of
the fire in his eyes. 

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I think, you know, symbolic of 
many potential things. 

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Yeah. 
That's a good catch. 

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I totally didn't notice that. 
I don't think a shade did 

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either. 
That's good. 

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I also want to say that I think 
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the forest is one of my favorite
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ever. 
It's definitely wallpaper 

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worthy. 
I would I would struggle to name

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a top 10, but I do think for me 
this this makes it and it's 

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simplicity and it's beauty. 
It's really stunning. 

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House of the Dragon has a few 
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sure they had one that was quite
this good. 

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I got to agree. 
Let's talk about Thunder and 

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egg, or as I call it Thunder 
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called Thunder Egg Stones. 
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stones, a different context. 
So one of my favorite bands is 

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is called Clutch and they have a
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refers to Thunder Egg Stones. 
It's a real thing. 

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It's like a type of geode, and 
they're particularly common in 

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in Oregon. 
Anyway, that's just an aside. 

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So Egg's building a relationship
with Thunder. 

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He's running about holding the 
heavy weapons of a knight and 

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Esquire and trying to get 
Thunder to get on his page with 

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the importance of their job. 
And they have that great 

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conversation. 
It's it's him revealing things 

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about his father and his own 
upbringing at the same time as 

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character building for himself 
and having this this warm moment

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with the horse. 
The horse nodding was so, so 

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hilarious. 
It's just because the nods were 

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so big. 
It was like, yeah, we do not 

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like being ordered around. 
Thank you. 

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Yes. 
You know, I almost wondered they

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were pushing that so hard. 
And to be clear, I don't think 

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it's going to like make any 
impact in the show or probably 

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the series or at least the books
we know so far. 

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But were they trying to allude 
to some kind of skin changer 

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vibe? 
You know, is Egg have some 

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supernatural Targaryen power to 
communicate with animals? 

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You think there was? 
You know, OK, I don't think that

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that really, but I did see 
another account, not 

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counterpoint, but related point 
to that in that someone brought 

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up that Makar said that because 
he knows to be aware of because 

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like Blood Raven and stuff. 
I also don't think that's why 

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Makar said that. 
But I like where your head is at

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in both of those cases to keep 
that in mind that that is the 

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thing people can do. 
We know Blood Raven could do it.

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You have to think that because 
Makar says things like horses 

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are Dumber than dogs, the only 
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crop, which means riding crop. 
Of course, he probably doesn't 

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have very enlightened opinions 
about humans either. 

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You know what I mean? 
And the but egg does egg is 

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different. 
And that's part of a theme is 

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that egg hasn't actually been 
parented very much by Makar. 

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And of course his mother's dead,
so he couldn't have been 

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parented a whole lot by her 
either. 

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And that's he's he's got a lot 
of his own ideas, but Dunk is 

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really filling in a lot of those
gaps for him as well. 

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So I'm glad they both had to. 
They both had their own talking 

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to horses scenes and it goes 
really well for both of them. 

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Let's talk about Sir Robin 
Reisling was played by a man 

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named William Houston. 
I'm not sure I've ever seen him 

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before. 
Maybe I have. 

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He's clearly a veteran. 
He's not a doesn't seem like 

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he's just his first acting gig. 
I. 

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Think he looks just like 
Jefferson Hall or Thailand 

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Lannister in House of the 
Dragon. 

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He's a little bit older, yeah. 
Yeah, I really like that look. 

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Yeah, it's he's described in the
book as a grizzled old night 

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with a salt and pepper beard and
a missing eye. 

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Ding. 
OK, that's exactly what that man

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is. 
So I like how Egg isn't the only

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one up early. 
You know, they're do getting in 

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some work. 
He's walking around, you know, 

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just taking a walk. 
He doesn't have he they're both 

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barefoot, by the way. 
It's Egg is they talk about that

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in the behind the scenes that 
Egg is barefoot for all those 

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scenes. 
But you can see Robin Reisling 

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walking up barefoot, too. 
Would you say they're both 

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competing for the Ross dog? 
Oh, the Ross. 

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Dragon. 
Yeah, as always Sunny would say.

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So I love the question, what 
happened to your hair? 

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What happened to your eye sets 
up the quick flashback scene. 

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Also, it's another Sir Robin 
Rising is roughly the opposite 

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of Sir Robin from Monty Python 
and the Holy Grail. 

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One guy does everything he can 
to avoid violence. 

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The other guys like, give me 
more, you know I'm right here 

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for it. 
The book versions of his and 

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most jousts weren't shown. 
My only real complaint about 

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this episode in the look, he 
does challenge Leo Longthorn and

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they have a back and forth and 
he loses his helm and he still 

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doesn't yield without his helm, 
even though he's got one eye. 

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So they're like, whoa. 
So this is kind of the fuel for 

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the show version of him being 
the quote maddest knight in the 

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Seven Kingdoms, which that's not
necessarily true in the novella,

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but whatever it's not, it's not 
not true either. 

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So in the book if I may. 
If I remember. 

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Dunk was shocked that when he 
lost his helmet kept riding, 

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because that's how he had lost 
his eye, was from a splinter of 

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a Lance, right? 
And now he's got no helmet and 

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he's still going. 
Didn't he learn his lesson? 

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And Dunk wonders if it's bravery
or or what? 

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It's the word he used, you know,
foolhardy Polly. 

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Is it bravery or Polly? 
A little more, a little both 

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maybe. 
Yeah, another couple quick notes

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I want to make before we get too
far away from it. 

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I think that a crap pummel. 
What's the name of the 

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tournament master? 
Plumber. 

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Plumber. 
Thank you. 

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I think he looks like Loris from
House of the Dragon by the way. 

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Which is, if you agree with me 
at all, that would be 3 

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different people that look just 
like someone from another Game 

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of Thrones. 
Can I tell you what I was just 

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thinking, Sean? 
I think he looks like you before

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you had your beard. 
Oh, plumber does. 

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Yeah, back back before you had 
your beard, I swear I could pull

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up a picture of you where you'd 
see it so clearly. 

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When Egg was kind of running 
around a lot of it, he was like,

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you know, prepping the horse and
maybe practicing running and 

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handing off the Lance, but he 
was also doing his own kind of 

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moves, swinging around and 
stuff. 

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I swear to God, that is straight
out of Avatar, that the 

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Airbender, those moves, those 
kind of swirls and his cloak and

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that staff, the little ball kid.
That's ANG doing Ang moves from 

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Avatar. 
Anyone who's seen it will know 

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exactly what I mean. 
Hanging egg. 

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I love that. 
And final thought, more of a 

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question really. 
I'm extra intrigued because I 

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did not realize that Robin 
didn't have shoes on there. 

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What the heck is he doing? 
Why is he walking around in his 

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field? 
Egg clearly trying to find 

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somewhere that was out of the 
way of Dunk, who tried to find 

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somewhere out of the way of the 
whole tournament. 

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And here comes this renowned 
night, walking by with no shoes 

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on, no horse, no. 
It's the 7th. 

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They they wanted him. 
They put him there so that he 

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would cross path. 
Think about Sept and Maribald in

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the in the main novels, he walks
barefoot everywhere. 

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And Baylor walks barefoot to 
Dorn from King's Landing. 

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So this is smaller scale 
compared to that. 

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Yeah, he got a little straight 
and the and the hornfoot tribes 

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don't wear shoes and they live 
beyond the wall. 

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They're crazy. 
Yeah, but I think the the 

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commonality would be to the 
religious figure is what you 

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drop them up. 
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean

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is that they are the a trait of 
someone who is very fervent in 

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their religion, right. 
The USU all, all comforts and, 

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and I think that's, that's where
he's coming from with it. 

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I I think that's accurate. 
Yeah, I like that. 

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He I I love this. 
He has my favorite single line 

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of the episode. 
Well, second favorite, my 

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favorite line is the whole lamb 
bone, as it were. 

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But my second favorite line is 
when he says you're the maddest 

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knight in this in the realm. 
And he goes, if it is I, we are 

449
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,080
a vessel for the warrior. 
If it is madness bid, it's 

450
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,640
madness delivered. 
He's saying I'm not mad. 

451
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,120
I'm a vessel for the warrior. 
If the warrior tells me to be 

452
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:53,720
mad, then that's what I got to 
do. 

453
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,880
It's not my choice. 
I have. 

454
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,160
Yeah. 
So that's amazing. 

455
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,080
I love that. 
And this continues the character

456
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,000
development of characters who 
are part of the seven that are 

457
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:05,960
not necessarily all that 
developed in the novel. 

458
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,520
So it's a good choice for them 
to flesh them out anymore. 

459
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:13,720
And I think the perfect two to 
work on is Robin Reisling and 

460
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,160
Sir Lionel, which is already in 
underway. 

461
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,880
We talked about that. 
But for Robin's case in the 

462
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,640
Seven trial, Egg just runs over 
and gets him and he joins. 

463
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,880
It's simple as that. 
There's nothing more to it. 

464
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,160
So I don't know. 
I wouldn't say that's 

465
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,960
unsatisfying, but it's not the 
most clever connection George RR

466
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,840
Martin's ever written. 
So having him develop more makes

467
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,600
so much sense. 
And the first thing he says is 

468
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,200
we'll judge you fairly. 
He's talking about judgement. 

469
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,400
The whole thing is he trial by 
7, the judgement of the Seven. 

470
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,200
He thinks he's the warrior 
Incarnate or the warrior of a 

471
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,240
vessel for the war. 
How could he not participate in 

472
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,800
the trial? 
He thinks he's a vessel for the 

473
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,200
war. 
It's like, oh, this is where I 

474
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,280
belong. 
I, I love this for all the 

475
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,600
things you're saying, because 
this scene took maybe one 

476
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,480
minute, but it does so much to, 
to later on justify this guy 

477
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,400
joining Dunk 7, right? 
And, and it, it's, it's, it's 

478
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,720
very elegant storytelling 
because it also gives us like a 

479
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,000
cool little action moment in the
middle of what starts off as 

480
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,760
maybe what people might think of
a slow pace. 

481
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,240
So, you know, I don't know from 
a entertainment standpoint, but 

482
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,760
also also it does one other bit 
of development, something that 

483
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,800
has been happening consistently.
But I caught here and this thing

484
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,120
wasn't in the book. 
And maybe I've been wondering a 

485
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:29,160
little bit, maybe you guys can 
help me how much has happened in

486
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,360
the book? 
Egg almost never answers 

487
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,640
questions. 
He always answers with new 

488
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,320
questions when he's like, did 
you steal that horse? 

489
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,920
You know, tell me the truth and 
I'll be fair. 

490
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,040
And he's like, well, it's not 
stealing if you mean to return 

491
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,160
it. 
He didn't say he stole it or 

492
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,960
not, you know, like he could 
when Dunk asked, are you an 

493
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,000
orphan, Eggs? 
Like, are you an orphan? 

494
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,360
Like he rarely answers questions
directly. 

495
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:54,280
He he states another fact or 
asks a different question back 

496
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,240
or whatever. 
I'm trying to remember how much 

497
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,120
that happened in a book, but one
or the other. 

498
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,720
This scene is just another 
example of Egg doing that. 

499
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,720
This seemed to do a lot of work 
for how short it was, you know? 

500
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,280
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. 
And and one last bit that could 

501
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,360
help bring him around is AG can 
argue we can still have AG go 

502
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,040
run and get him. 
That could still be the person 

503
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,040
he recruits and he can say, Hey,
you were not only is Sir Robin 

504
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,880
inclined probably already, but 
he can be like, hey, the seven 

505
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,520
are the reason we met out in the
woods. 

506
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,200
You know, like that was fate. 
That was that was destined for 

507
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,600
you to do that because he goes, 
I've never heard of Sir Duncan 

508
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,680
the tall and he goes, you will, 
you will, and he's like, see, 

509
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,400
you will like look at that. 
It's happening just as the gods 

510
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,160
planned, right. 
It's also great for him too, 

511
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560
because in the book, if it goes 
the same, which I assume it 

512
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,120
will, he gets paired up against 
Deron in the in the initial 

513
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,280
joust, the initial tilt for the 
trial by 7. 

514
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,440
So he gets the by far the 
easiest pairing. 

515
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,520
Deron just falls off immediately
and lays there in the mud. 

516
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,840
On Lord Madness to me. 
Put the two mad guys against 

517
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,960
each other, right? 
Shout out to Hey Dom Tartaglia, 

518
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,360
A Folkwise podcast, who says the
best part of this show is going 

519
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,440
to be every time there's a one 
eyed man, I'm going to shout 

520
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,320
Blood Raven. 
I've got a Blood Raven shirt on 

521
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,960
too. 
Shout out to our friend Patrick 

522
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Doherty who made this one. 
It says Blood Raven shot first. 

523
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,040
Obviously Star Wars reference. 
I just want to point out shirts.

524
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,480
I'm also wearing a shirt. 
It's an Avatar shirt. 

525
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,160
It's a tree that you might 
juxtapose with the oak tree that

526
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,800
don't put in his helmet. 
Part of why I wore it or not in 

527
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,280
his helmet shield, but it is 
also from Avatar. 

528
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,760
Elm. 
Let's talk Westeros. 

529
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,400
Hello, operator Shaya's favorite
of the a Dunkin Egg moments. 

530
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,120
I love this one too. 
He he's Dunk is annoyed when Egg

531
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,360
returns from training. 
He's like, why you should tell 

532
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,520
me if you go off. 
But part of that is, is, is 

533
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,120
Dunk's nerves. 
He's very anxious about going 

534
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,800
into the tilt, which they're 
disconnected on because Egg 

535
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,480
already knows he's not tilting 
today. 

536
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,760
And Dunk, they haven't had that 
conversation yet. 

537
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,400
That comes just after the song, 
which is which is great. 

538
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,480
So they sew, so they're not 
ironborn. 

539
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,520
Clearly that crosses that off 
the list. 

540
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,600
You later find out he's 
Targaryen, but it's important to

541
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520
note that he's not Ironborn. 
Just kidding. 

542
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,160
Anyway, the song is hilarious. 
Ashay is going to read it for us

543
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840
because she loves it even more 
than I do, which is saying a lot

544
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,640
because I was just so enamored 
with this. 

545
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,200
But more thoughts on it after we
hear the whole thing. 

546
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,360
Prince Baylor was the first 
born. 

547
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,320
Prince Makar sprang out last. 
Damon was the bastard, so they 

548
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,760
kicked his bastard. 
Grasses. 

549
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,680
Green in summer, green grass I 
adore. 

550
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,560
But grass is red all over. 
When you kill a rebel, horses 

551
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,320
die in battle. 
This battle was the front. 

552
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,360
Black Fire's not a trueborn. 
He came from the wrong country, 

553
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,240
was in peril. 
The anvil was a rock. 

554
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,160
The hammer smashed the bastard 
with his giant veiny host of 

555
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,280
Dorn or Spearman. 
I love that end so much where he

556
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,440
just trails. 
It's so very fitting. 

557
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,520
Of course, kids, they would, 
there would be songs about the 

558
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,480
black fires and being villainous
and losers and bastards and all 

559
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,080
that. 
And especially the Targaryen 

560
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,360
children who were very close to 
the family that I actually 

561
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:03,120
fought against. 
I mean, Makar Makar is the 

562
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,160
hammer of the anvil rather. 
So that's his own father in the 

563
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,520
song. 
So of course he's going to be 

564
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,240
very attached to this idea. 
Now let's jump to the sworn 

565
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,960
sword for a few takes on this 
because it's pretty neat how 

566
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,400
this connects to some things 
that he says and maybe we'll say

567
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,920
in season 2. 
He says, for example, the hammer

568
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,040
and the anvil. 
The old man's mustache gave a 

569
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,680
twitch. 
The singers leave out much and 

570
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,920
more. 
Damon was the warrior himself 

571
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,200
that day, right? 
So he's take telling his side of

572
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,320
the story. 
Now, Sir Robin Reisling might 

573
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,040
have thoughts on that last part.
Now who? 

574
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,840
Who was the warrior that I'm the
war now? 

575
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:40,000
The next one from Sir Eustis is 
the singers can go on about 

576
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,480
their hammer and their anvil, 
Sir. 

577
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,840
But it was the kinslayer who 
turned the tide with a white 

578
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,560
arrow in a black spell. 
He rules us now as well, make no

579
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,360
mistake. 
So yeah, like he's thinking of 

580
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,440
songs like this when he refers 
to these tales. 

581
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,040
The things that are 1 sided, 
like these are very, very 

582
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,320
specific takes from one side. 
They're not, they're not down 

583
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,640
the middle. 
They're not neutral specifically

584
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,760
as well. 
He mentions that Bloodraven made

585
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,240
it illegal to sing similar songs
about the Blackfire, so you can 

586
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,520
only sing the Targaryen ones. 
So you're pretty hardcore about 

587
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,880
that. 
You can't even sing their songs.

588
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,320
There's also a a specific memory
Sir Eustace has of the host of 

589
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,640
Dorner Spearman coming like 
screaming like their the noise 

590
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,200
they made as they hit the 
battlefield was very memorable 

591
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,600
to him and how they filled the 
air with their Spears. 

592
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,120
So yeah, this is touching on 
some. 

593
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,160
As usual, It's it's light 
hearted, but it's referring to 

594
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,080
some pretty serious things. 
You know, if someone did sing 

595
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,320
one of those songs, I wonder if 
Blood Raven would have snapped 

596
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,080
their finger. 
Guy Yikes. 

597
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,120
Yeah. 
Or worse, or snapped their 

598
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,400
tongue or something. 
I don't know. 

599
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,680
So after the song is over, he's 
like, go get my armor. 

600
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,000
I'm ready for the. 
He's like, well, first of all, 

601
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,600
you don't have your shield. 
And he's like, well, yeah, we'll

602
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,840
collect it on the way. 
Clearly hadn't thought about 

603
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,600
that. 
But then he tells him, you know,

604
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,840
you can't do that. 
You know, they're it's only the 

605
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,000
highborn folks that can 
challenge people today. 

606
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520
And he's like, then why have I 
been throwing up all morning? 

607
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,840
It's a mystery. 
And then of course, that leads 

608
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,000
to like, Hey, we can have a Full
breakfast now that we're not. 

609
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,120
So that's that opens up the 
whole day for them to do Dunkin 

610
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,360
egg things all day long, Just 
hang out with each other, have 

611
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,640
all these great conversations, 
which big perhaps the most, the 

612
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,080
biggest reason why this episode 
was so good. 

613
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,640
So let's get into those 
specifics. 

614
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,400
Then it's going to, of course, 
be tested by the reveal of who 

615
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,520
Egg actually is. 
You know, there's been a couple 

616
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,240
of times where Dunk has gotten 
mad at him. 

617
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200
And and as you said, Sean, he he
starts to react maybe the way 

618
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,160
Sir Arlen would. 
But then he backs down and he's 

619
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,560
like, OK, I shouldn't have 
reacted like that. 

620
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,680
This is a teaching moment. 
You know, this is something I 

621
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,640
should, you know, this isn't a 
time for me to yell at you and 

622
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,440
curse at you. 
I should explain what you did 

623
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,760
wrong. 
And, you know, you learn from 

624
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,760
it. 
It won't be quite so easy this 

625
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,680
time with the reveal of his 
person, of his, of his ancestry.

626
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,960
But we're not, we're not 
avoiding spoilers. 

627
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,480
So we know that's basically 
going to work out. 

628
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,200
Watching the process, though, is
amazing because these two actors

629
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,480
are so good at it. 
So yeah, some some the breakfast

630
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,120
sandwich thing. 
Very relatable. 

631
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,600
A different kind of egg moment. 
How those goose eggs were huge 

632
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,640
and boy, Dexter just, he had 
that. 

633
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,920
I'm so hungry. 
I can't wait. 

634
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Wait to eat this look just down 
pat. 

635
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,440
I thought it was so cute that 
they did have each of them break

636
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,680
their own egg, which kind of 
like made me start thinking how 

637
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,080
many times in his life has egg 
cooked? 

638
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,640
You know, has he cooked for 
himself or, or cooked like a, a 

639
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Big Breakfast like this, even if
he had to eat some meals on his 

640
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,520
own to get to, to dunk, right? 
I, I doubt he was cooking much. 

641
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,440
And so anyways, it was just kind
of cute to think that junk was 

642
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,320
teaching him how to sew. 
He was teaching him how to cook.

643
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,440
I, it was really heartwarming. 
And as, as an egg lover myself, 

644
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,760
I have to say these are some of 
the most beautiful eggs I've 

645
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,000
ever seen. 
And I want to know if anyone in 

646
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,800
the chat has ever eaten a goose 
egg or any other really huge egg

647
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,360
like this. 
An ostrich egg maybe? 

648
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Can I say it real quick as you 
had it to your point there, I do

649
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,880
appreciate that we're seeing, 
you know, this hedge night, this

650
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,120
true night, you know, whatever 
term you want to use for dunk 

651
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,160
here, doing things that you 
wouldn't normally think of a 

652
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,760
night doing, right, like cooking
his food and sewing in patches 

653
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,120
and stuff like that, Things that
maybe even you think of 

654
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,240
something for a maiden to do. 
But it's it's again, kind of 

655
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,760
challenging. 
What is a real night? 

656
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960
What is a true night? 
You know, even in my mind, I 

657
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,480
still think of nights as being 
like shining armor with horses 

658
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,080
living in castles. 
And maybe that's the difference 

659
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,400
between a knight and a hedge 
knight, the hedge Knights out 

660
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,240
there slipping under the stars 
and ragged clothes, that he's 

661
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,160
still ostensibly, you know, 
honorable and brave and tough 

662
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,200
and everything, but he doesn't 
have a castle full of servants 

663
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,200
polishing up his sword and 
cleaning his boots and cooking 

664
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,160
his meals. 
He's got to do everything on his

665
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,520
own. 
And eggs seen as I think is good

666
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,280
for him. 
And I don't know, I I love this 

667
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,480
scene in a million ways. 
Mostly it's centered around 

668
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,520
their bonding, but it is also 
neat to see the reality of 

669
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,160
Dunk's life of a hedge night's 
life. 

670
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,720
Yeah, there's a lot that gets 
omitted from details that just 

671
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560
you can't necessarily talk about
or it gets you could bog down 

672
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,720
with it. 
But yeah, it's a it's a hard. 

673
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,600
There's a lot of little things 
that go into the day-to-day 

674
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,000
life. 
We saw that a lot in the first 

675
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000
episode with them cleaning is 
clothing and, you know, beating 

676
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,720
it on the rock and all this 
other stuff. 

677
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,680
It reminds me of a scene in, in 
a book I've mentioned a few 

678
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,200
times in the past on this show 
is the bright Sword where 

679
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,240
there's a character, he's got 
all his nightly gear on his 

680
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,800
armor and he fights somebody, 
you know, and, and this guy gets

681
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,280
a hit in on his arm and he's 
wearing armor, but it like a 

682
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,120
piece of a fastener breaks off 
and flies away into the grass. 

683
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,480
And he's like, man, now my 
gauntlet's not going to stick on

684
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,000
properly. 
And he's like, I'll never find 

685
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,280
that fastener, you know, and how
it's going to be really hard to 

686
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,640
replace that. 
So like, yeah, little things 

687
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,080
like that. 
This is an example of that kind 

688
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,560
of thing where you're getting 
down into the nitty gritty and 

689
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,200
seeing the lifestyle. 
But they're doing it so well, 

690
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,040
like that this is on top of 
that. 

691
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,120
It isn't just that they're doing
it. 

692
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,320
They're doing such a great job 
of it. 

693
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,199
What does egg have against 
lambs? 

694
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,400
He rode in that cart, remember? 
He rode in the cart on the way 

695
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,159
there. 
So he had to smell them and. 

696
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,040
Yeah, it was a whole day's 
riding with them. 

697
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,480
Yeah, yeah. 
So that is actually a good 

698
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,080
transition there, Sean. 
We're going to talk about the 

699
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,679
sitting on the hell scene 
together. 

700
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,239
You know, you are in a place 
like this that that scene. 

701
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,400
So I. 
Had something about the 

702
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,840
breakfast sandwich. 
Sequence real. 

703
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,280
Quick just about how it pertains
to Tansel, why Tansel not reply 

704
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,000
to him? 
What's up with that? 

705
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,400
He goes do you like goose eggs 
and she has she just totally 

706
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,679
ignores the question. 
I'm shocked by that. 

707
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,159
I, I, I don't know about her 
anymore if she can't even answer

708
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,880
a simple egg question. 
All right. 

709
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,320
Everyone turns on Tanzel. 
I had AI had a similar thought 

710
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,239
by the way she was so dismissive
of him, but when I watched it 

711
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,440
again as she approached him, she
was kind of smiling and maybe 

712
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,120
kind of nervous about making eye
contact. 

713
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,880
She. 
Was smiling so say something. 

714
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Yes, no one word. 
I I do think it was awkward, but

715
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,560
I think it was awkward. 
I think that was just it, but it

716
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,080
was. 
Funny. 

717
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,120
Yes, it's very funny. 
Exactly it is. 

718
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,920
So sitting on the hill together,
we have This is the most, 

719
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,560
perhaps the most sincere of the 
Dunkin Egg scenes where he talks

720
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,560
about what he's going to do, 
like his life goals. 

721
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,240
He's like, after I win a great 
campaign for my Lord, I'm going 

722
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:35,200
to get a plot of land and raise.
So his sort of humble goals 

723
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,360
there. 
I mean, considering who he's a 

724
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,080
royal, they're especially 
humble, but they're modest as 

725
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,640
well, for the most part. 
And they're and they're 

726
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,320
appropriate for like a young 
boy, like dreaming of his 

727
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,360
future. 
And but it's just again, it's 

728
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,080
just so cute the way he's like, 
Oh no, it was like and the 

729
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,800
second most beautiful daughter 
and they're like egg dunks face 

730
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,560
is like he's confused. 
Genuinely. 

731
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,760
He was like second most 
beautiful. 

732
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,240
Why would you say that? 
He's like, well, you've already 

733
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,760
married his most beautiful, 
right, Sir? 

734
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,920
And he's like, and the look he 
gets on his face when he hears 

735
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,880
egg say that is the most like, 
oh, this kids the best. 

736
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,680
I love this kid so much, mommy. 
Like he just the acting in that 

737
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,240
moment is so good. 
And that leads to the he's like,

738
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,120
and maybe even lambs F your 
lambs. 

739
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,800
You know, he says that his 
delivery on that is so good. 

740
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,760
By the way, in the behind the 
scenes, Dexter says he really 

741
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,600
doesn't like like cursing. 
He really does not like cursing.

742
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,680
But it's his job, yeah. 
He does it because it's his job.

743
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,920
That's why I posted the clip on 
our history, restaurants, TikTok

744
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,640
and Instagram. 
Yeah, he is just he this kid 

745
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,440
really was born to be a he 
hatched. 

746
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,040
I don't think he was born, I 
think he hatched. 

747
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,040
So just running it. 
Do you have y'all have takes on 

748
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,520
this particular scene? 
I just wanted to point out that 

749
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,240
even though Dunk gets cut off 
when he's telling him, you know,

750
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:53,520
that that yes, he can stay with 
him if it all works out. 

751
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,440
You know, he Egg, I think could 
still tell it was a it was a 

752
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,040
yes, he was Dunk and daunting. 
Enough was said. 

753
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,240
Egg isn't a fool. 
I I just it gets cut off. 

754
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,440
But before dunk knew who egg 
was, he said stay with me. 

755
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,280
And I think that's significant 
to egg. 

756
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Absolutely. 
There's also the scene with the 

757
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,600
fortune teller, which we'll 
discuss separately. 

758
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,520
The discussion of Alice, 3 
fingered Alice, we'll discuss 

759
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,400
that separately. 
Speaking in each other's voices,

760
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,440
teasing each other. 
We don't have a whole lot to say

761
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,560
about that other than it's 
another great moment between 

762
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,480
them, great acting, great fun 
which comes while they're 

763
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,000
watching. 
Jazz. 

764
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,640
Yeah, look at that smile. 
He, we, he's, he just loves 

765
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,200
them. 
When I named my favorite scene, 

766
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,240
it really may be more of a 
moment when Eddie's like, you 

767
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,320
know, when he's kind of 4110. 
So this was my runner up moment 

768
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,080
here. 
I was like, oh, what I do is eat

769
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,160
fancy food and grapes. 
They're all jabs at each other. 

770
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,000
I I loved it. 
It was really good it. 

771
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Was funny how Dunk made his 
voice high to mock Egg and Egg 

772
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,880
made his voice low to mock Dunk.
It was, it was really great. 

773
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,760
I don't know, writing, acting, 
directing, whatever it was, I 

774
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,600
loved it. 
Yes, so good, yeah. 

775
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,840
And of course, it's important to
get a lot of these moments in 

776
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,000
before it gets a bit darker, 
which that happens in this 

777
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,280
episode. 
It gets darker. 

778
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
So it's not like this is coming 
far in the future. 

779
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,040
No, it's coming just right away.
Yeah, they're watching the joust

780
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,960
was really fun. 
But yeah, it gets in, it gets 

781
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,600
interrupted like a Shaya said by
plumber coming up, which brings 

782
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,160
us a non book scene, though it 
does relate to a scene in the 

783
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,680
mystery night, which this might 
be partial set up for, But also 

784
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,000
I'm not entirely sure where 
they're going with it. 

785
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,160
However, that said, if this was 
House of the Dragon or Game of 

786
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,400
Thrones, I would probably just 
be like, yeah, they're just they

787
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,040
got some idea. 
They're just doing something. 

788
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,800
It's not necessarily bad, but I 
don't know what they're doing 

789
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,280
here. 
But they've done such a good job

790
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,040
and have seemed to be stubborn 
about sticking to the novel with

791
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,840
this as much as possible that I 
figure it ties into something. 

792
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,520
I figured this is expanding on 
something else or attached to 

793
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,800
something else rather than just 
something cut from whole cloth 

794
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,200
differently that they've added 
on. 

795
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,560
I thought about it a little bit 
too. 

796
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,760
I thought it was really 
interesting. 

797
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,320
And, you know, my superficial 
thought is, yeah, they're just 

798
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,880
setting up future seasons of, 
you know, the maybe even, you 

799
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,240
know, aside from that planting a
seed in our in our audience's 

800
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,480
mind, it there's stuff going on 
behind the scenes. 

801
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,200
It may be Dunk or the audience 
or Egg even is a little naive 

802
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,160
too. 
But and I I do hope I'm a little

803
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,520
worried that this does create a 
whole new plot line. 

804
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,000
It might disrupt what we're, I 
don't know, expecting. 

805
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,160
I I so far the things they've 
done different have been good, 

806
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,920
appropriate and good, and I have
no real complaints. 

807
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,200
But but this seems like a 
divergent that might be enough 

808
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,720
that I'm worried about. 
So I'm hoping it's just A, 

809
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:43,160
setting up future seasons B. 
It's sort of a red herring, you 

810
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,000
know what I mean? 
They're really it. 

811
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,000
It does a lot to disguise the 
egg reveal. 

812
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Does that make sense? 
They really feel like we're on a

813
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,760
certain track of what's going to
happen next. 

814
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,960
You know, if you haven't read 
the book, you're thinking, OK, 

815
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,560
dunks going to pick this Andrew 
guy, right? 

816
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,600
We're never you're going to get,
you're never going to enter the 

817
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,240
list at all. 
So like I, I'm hoping it's sort 

818
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,000
of a little bit of a red 
herring, but we'll see. 

819
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,280
Maybe an orange herring for the 
Ashfords. 

820
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It's a milder version of what I 

821
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,200
just said about the darker side 
of things. 

822
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,240
You know, it's the darker side 
of, of knighthood and 

823
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,200
tournaments. 
It's clearly dishonorable and 

824
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,960
dishonest. 
But ripping off a bookie is 

825
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,880
definitely not as bad as what 
Aryan does, for example. 

826
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,760
Like, there's, it's there's, 
there's over the line 

827
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,520
dishonorable, but there's 
definitely proportion here. 

828
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:32,000
And this is pretty mild as far 
as things go, as far as things 

829
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,520
are definitely dishonorable. 
But Dunk is still like 

830
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,760
immediately turned off by it, 
which is that's a good thing. 

831
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,480
Although he does consider it. 
He even in the tent with 

832
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,440
Raymond, he's still thinking 
about doing it because he's 

833
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,240
desperate. 
And that's that's another tough 

834
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:45,360
situation he's in. 
He's like, well, do I really 

835
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,400
want to risk losing everything? 
Like I wouldn't have egg or my 

836
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,000
horses Like it's a lot. 
So it is very tempting. 

837
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,040
I mean, that's what Plummer's 
saying too Is like, hey, if all 

838
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,960
things were even you, you, you 
do, you could win, like you 

839
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,200
could deserve it, right? 
But it's not even you are you 

840
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,720
are at a disadvantage as 
compared to everyone else here, 

841
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,160
right? 
And so this will put you at a 

842
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,000
more even level with everyone 
else. 

843
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,240
This is basically just like, you
know, adding a handicap in here 

844
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,320
for you, right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

845
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,720
That's another reason it's 
tempting it. 

846
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,560
This is so, you know, even our 
suspicious surrounding a scene, 

847
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,960
I still like it because it's I 
don't know where they might be 

848
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,240
going with it, but it's so 
interesting because they're not 

849
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,840
making it like Dunk just has to 
do what he's going to do anyway,

850
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,560
you know what I mean? 
They're they're on some level, 

851
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,960
maybe plumber's kind of steering
him to make this particular 

852
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,800
challenge when he enters the 
lists. 

853
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,200
But Dunk plans on winning 
anyway. 

854
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,120
Like it's not like he's asking 
Dunk to throw the, the joust. 

855
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,280
He's asking Dunk just do the 
thing. 

856
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,840
Just go win like you were going 
to anyway. 

857
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,320
And it's almost in a way 
honorable what plumber is doing,

858
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,200
letting him in on the the 
scenario. 

859
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,480
He's like, wait, let me be 
honest with you about something 

860
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,160
here. 
There's an and, and also like 

861
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,680
you said, dunk is considered 
because there is a stick and a 

862
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,400
carrot here. 
There's like, you want to win 

863
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,480
and you'll get extra. 
If you win and you don't want to

864
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,440
lose, you lose everything. 
We're just asking to do what 

865
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,920
you're going to do anyway. 
Dunk feels like he won't have 

866
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,320
earned it if he knows the other 
guy's going to throw it. 

867
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,880
But I, I, Yeah. 
Anyway, it's so interesting. 

868
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,440
Dunk definitely has this 
instinct to do the right thing, 

869
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,600
but it also shows that he isn't 
some like, I don't know. 

870
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,080
Goody 2 shoes or whatever. 
He still has some sense of 

871
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,200
reality, yeah. 
Exactly right. 

872
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,400
And it is there. 
I also have this other concept 

873
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,280
in my mind that I think about 
the. 

874
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,000
I think it's centered around the
idea of like theft, that like 

875
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,680
the closer you are to 
starvation, I think morality 

876
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,840
might be on like a sort of a 
sliding scale. 

877
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,440
Like if you're filthy rich, what
business do you have stealing? 

878
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,080
Why in the world would a 
billionaire steal money, right? 

879
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,240
But if you're starving, if your.
Childhood of. 

880
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Of course, yeah, of course 
you're going to steal an apple 

881
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,480
or bread and, you know, maybe 
even whatever laws are around 

882
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,000
it. 
Most people, if you're watching 

883
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,480
a movie and the hero was 
destitute and so would you steal

884
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,560
my backup? 
Brat, even. 

885
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,200
So, and Dunk is on that level 
where, you know, he, you know, 

886
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,880
he's not exactly starving to 
death, but he's about to put him

887
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,640
in position to, you know, put 
himself in position of where he 

888
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,040
might be started at, where his 
horse, he knows what might 

889
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,200
happen to his horse, you know, 
and and he's concerned about the

890
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,360
himself and the people he cares 
about at this point. 

891
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,320
He's not even starting to think 
about Dunk or Egg rather. 

892
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,480
So, you know, this prospect. 
And and you know, if he did, I 

893
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,000
can't hardly believe it. 
But if he did, why about being a

894
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,800
knight in the first place? 
Then he's on a slippery slope of

895
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,480
following that up with another, 
what you would think of at 

896
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,640
least, as you know, this 
honorable thing. 

897
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,360
Anyways, it is interesting that 
he definitely has this instinct 

898
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,280
to do the right thing, which we 
see over and over again, even to

899
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,240
his detriment. 
But he doesn't. 

900
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,920
But he does it. 
But he does have temptation, 

901
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,840
right? 
He, he, he. 

902
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,960
It's almost like the it's. 
Kind of Dunk story is a lot 

903
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,440
about temptation, right? 
Book after book he deals with 

904
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,880
with temptation in various 
forms. 

905
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,440
And it's, it's kind of like the 
idea of, of being brave, right? 

906
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,120
If you're not scared of 
something in the 1st place, it's

907
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,600
not really brave to face it. 
So if he, if these things aren't

908
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,200
tempting, it's not as honorable 
or disciplined or whatever it is

909
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,880
to not give in to the 
temptation. 

910
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,000
It's not a challenge. 
It's not. 

911
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,960
Something he's overcome if it's 
not, well, if it's not a 

912
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,160
challenge, yeah. 
Can I say something about this 

913
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,720
shot here beforehand when when 
dunk says, oh, I don't have any 

914
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,120
money, you know, and plumber's 
just like, oh, you sweet summer 

915
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,560
child, it's. 
Like, as shocking as that may 

916
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,760
be. 
Really good acting from that 

917
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,400
guy. 
I, I loved that beat and then I 

918
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,120
really liked the editing beat 
again for comedy. 

919
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,680
A flashback when Dunk thinks 
back to Ashford. 

920
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,880
Sir Andrew, yes, Sir Andrew. 
And it's just like 1 brief flash

921
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,560
and then it just has Dunk's face
as he like, thinks about. 

922
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,200
He's a deaf Lance, you know? 
He's being political here, 

923
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:07,440
though. 
Yeah, right. 

924
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,160
And it's so funny. 
It's very effective. 

925
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,320
He's being a little bit 
political here 'cause he knows 

926
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,360
this is a man who works for Lord
Ashford. 

927
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,080
And the implication though, with
that joust, it's we see that 

928
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,160
scene twice. 
We see a longer version of of of

929
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,480
Andro knocking someone down. 
But it's a very dishonorable 

930
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,680
moment. 
Look at Andro is charging this 

931
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,080
guy who's barely ready. 
The guy has not even started 

932
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,840
charging yet. 
He doesn't have his Lance in 

933
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,440
hand. 
And and Andrew just levels him. 

934
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,160
You know, this, this appears to 
be Sir Samwell Stokeworth, by 

935
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,840
the way. 
That's our pretty sure who that 

936
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,760
is. 
Looks like a little lamb inside 

937
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,600
a cup there which is the 
Stokeworth have a chalice and a 

938
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,480
lamb as part of their. 
Yeah, the Stokeworth sigil is a 

939
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,120
lamb, a white lamb on a green 
background holding a gold 

940
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,080
chalice, and this seems to be a 
gold chalice with the white lamb

941
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,720
on a green background. 
So it does seem to be 

942
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:59,320
Stokeworth, maybe just a slight,
you know, they're a different 

943
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,560
variant. 
Maybe this Stokeworth is in 

944
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,600
fact, you know, has his own 
personal sigil, right? 

945
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,080
Like how we see that personal 
sigils exist. 

946
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,400
Even Aryan Bright Flame himself 
has his own like personal 

947
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,960
variant. 
So that's what I think. 

948
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,800
This is what we're seeing here. 
Absolutely. 

949
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,560
And then he has it on his helmet
too, which is really neat. 

950
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,760
I don't know if you have that 
shot too, but his helmet is also

951
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,160
the shape of this lamb and a 
cup. 

952
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,160
It's pretty cool and it's a good
example of we really need to see

953
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,920
all these armors, you know, back
the the, the behind the scenes 

954
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,520
to see all these designs and 
everything we got. 

955
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,800
At some point they'll all come 
out and we'll talk about that. 

956
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,240
That flashback there when, you 
know, I wondered about that 

957
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:35,640
moment too. 
Not, and probably still, at 

958
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,560
least, you know, like most 
things, dishonorable isn't black

959
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,280
or white. 
It's not just dishonorable or 

960
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,240
not dishonorable. 
There's like a range in between,

961
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,920
right? 
I think per the rules of the 

962
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,960
tournament, I think that's even 
maybe part of what they're 

963
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,920
trying to show us here. 
I It's partly that that guy's 

964
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,280
not ready, but it's partly that 
guy and or his squire's fault 

965
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,640
that he's not ready. 
Yeah, I think that came across. 

966
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,760
Turned around and Andrew was 
just quicker and better prepared

967
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,240
to get back down faster than 
that other guy's still trying to

968
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,920
turn and get his Lance. 
And hey, you're not ready. 

969
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,280
I'm going to get you. 
I think you should have been 

970
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,760
ready, you know? 
Like, it is possible that the 

971
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,680
more honorable thing would have 
been to hold on a minute or 

972
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,720
maybe to not, I don't know. 
I mean, he could have like hit 

973
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:18,080
him in the head or killed his 
whore. 

974
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,360
There's certainly more 
dishonorable things he could 

975
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,000
have done, but I feel like he's 
within the rules of the 

976
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,200
tournament. 
It's oh, yeah, it's definitely 

977
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,480
within the rules. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you. 

978
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,360
Know. 
I agree within the rules, but 

979
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,680
that the point is that they're 
showing a dishonorable moment 

980
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,200
right before proposing that this
guy's going to be part of 

981
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,360
cheating. 
So it's already it's it's it's 

982
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,080
like a one second character 
building for Sir Andrew, which 

983
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,320
is they've, they're very, as 
we've said and shown. 

984
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,720
It's been very efficient how 
they've done that throughout. 

985
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,520
So I know there's also my 
favorite line of the scene 

986
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,760
perhaps is mind your pride, Sir 
Duncan. 

987
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,640
You know, that's, that's the the
very efficient, succinct 

988
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,680
decision that it comes down to. 
It's like, is your pride? 

989
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,560
Is it, is it pride or honor? 
Which is it? 

990
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,800
Or is it, you know, make sure 
you're separating them? 

991
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,200
And as gross as his mouth sounds
are, they did something pretty 

992
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,760
funny with the scene when he 
says Sir Duncan a moment he 

993
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,560
Hawks and then they cut to them 
in the forest and then he spits.

994
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,560
It's like the split. 
The good splitting. 

995
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,880
Segue, which continues the 
pattern of them doing very 

996
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:23,080
silly, subtle things with with 
him, like how he was dunking his

997
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,920
bread in his cup right when Dunk
said his name was Dunk. 

998
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,560
So anyway, let's talk about the 
joust. 

999
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,200
I appreciated how they kept 
showing Baylor to get his 

1000
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,600
reactions like good. 
His acting was very effective 

1001
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,600
with just his looks on his face 
and and they gave him a little 

1002
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,320
fidget. 
He was fidgeting with his ring a

1003
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,400
lot, which I thought was a very 
human touch to add. 

1004
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,280
Very Allison. 
That's next. 

1005
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,760
We're going to see him biting 
his nails. 

1006
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,440
That's right. 
And look at Lord Ashford, he's 

1007
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,360
even looking at it. 
It made that joke because of 

1008
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,880
House of the Dragon the show, 
but actually in the books 

1009
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,000
Rainiera has that trait right. 
Like they specifically mentioned

1010
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,320
that Rainiera does that with her
her. 

1011
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,720
Ring. 
You can see it in the picture 

1012
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:07,640
here. 
Ashford is looking at him do do 

1013
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,560
that with his hands. 
He's like watching him fidget, 

1014
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,560
so it's like they're drawing 
extra attention to it. 

1015
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,240
Baylor is just like wincing and 
cringing the whole time he sees 

1016
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:19,120
Airy and he's like, uh, this 
guy, he's a stain on my house. 

1017
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,000
I hate this guy. 
Yeah. 

1018
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,280
Right. 
He's like, I hate him. 

1019
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,240
Sailors who reacted to Aryan 
much like we reacted to Joffrey 

1020
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,840
watching Game of Thrones, Like, 
oh, what's it gonna do now? 

1021
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,720
What's it gonna be this? 
Time so we we have a shot that 

1022
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,360
we've been seeing since the 
trailers the early trailers and 

1023
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:40,320
this is the book version of this
scene it's you can see how well 

1024
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,400
it copies the the show copies it
nicely quote. 

1025
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,120
A few feet away, the young 
Prince sat at ease in a raised 

1026
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,320
camp chair before his great 
black tent. 

1027
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,720
His helm was off. 
He had dark hair like his 

1028
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,720
father, but a bright streak ran 
through it. 

1029
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,480
A serving man brought him a 
silver goblet, and he took a 

1030
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,480
sip. 
Water if he is wise, Dunk 

1031
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,000
thought. 
Wine, if not, and I also want to

1032
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,200
share that there's this shot of 
him of the same moment from Gary

1033
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,600
Gianni, the Night of the Seven 
Kingdoms, which is just spot on.

1034
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,880
I think you'll agree with the 
depiction here. 

1035
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,840
That is awesome. 
Yeah. 

1036
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,560
Good job, Gary Gianni. 
Gary Gianni doesn't miss. 

1037
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,920
So here's something interesting 
about this moment. 

1038
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,200
I wrote in our notes that he 
seems to maybe have that goblet 

1039
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,560
but not the silver streak in his
hair. 

1040
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,720
But A Shaya corrected me, he 
does have the silver streak, you

1041
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:39,400
just can't see it from here. 
Here I'm pulling up the picture,

1042
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,440
you can see it better right here
and closer right there. 

1043
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,560
Good job. 
They just weirdly haven't shown 

1044
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,000
us that part of his head really 
in focus. 

1045
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,040
But he does have a silver streak
for sure. 

1046
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,640
Confirmed. 
So there's a little bit of a 

1047
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:01,600
longer introduction here where 
he makes eye contact with 

1048
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,800
Baylor, and Baylor kind of holds
it for a minute before giving 

1049
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,640
his nod. 
That's a slightly different 

1050
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,560
moment from the book, the book 
and the book Aryan just gives 

1051
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,560
him. 
It's described as the a nod 

1052
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:16,840
that's so brief and subtle that 
it's hardly there, you know? 

1053
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:17,960
Yeah. 
Perfunctory. 

1054
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,240
Yes, you're right. 
Yeah. 

1055
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,360
So this is a a slight 
difference, but it gets the same

1056
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,040
point across. 
I think it adds a little. 

1057
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,760
It gives Baylor a chance to have
some emotion in the moment too. 

1058
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,120
Then Aryan looks really cool, 
but he is so extra. 

1059
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,760
It's so fitting with how he's 
described Later. 

1060
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Raymond calls him Vayne. 
And this is, I mean, this is a, 

1061
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,440
he is very extra. 
As cool as it looks, it's so 

1062
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,160
extra. 
He's got all this bling and 

1063
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,520
imagery and heraldry. 
And the way they described it is

1064
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,400
he actually, they tried a bunch 
of different dragon imagery for 

1065
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,520
the face and they realized that 
the most scary thing was just 

1066
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,960
his human face attached to all 
that like a a man dragon. 

1067
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,880
And they actually scanned Finn 
Bennett's face to make it sort 

1068
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,000
of match. 
So like a, a 3D printing or 

1069
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,480
whatever. 
Even his Lance is, is gold 

1070
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,720
tipped apparently like that, 
which is the same as they 

1071
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:11,400
described it in in the novel. 
It's it's stripes of red, orange

1072
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,280
and yellow. 
So they they got that detail in 

1073
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,240
there as well. 
Great job. 

1074
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,640
Even his lances are extra. 
He's also cosplaying Shadow the 

1075
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,280
Hedgehog here as. 
You'll see. 

1076
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:28,800
So Finn Bennett is 26. 
Peter Claffey is 30, Egg is a 

1077
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,920
Dexter soul, Ansel is actually 
9. 

1078
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,000
So that that makes the age 
difference bigger than it should

1079
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,960
because we see those actors and 
we don't think teenagers, but 

1080
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,640
the show character, they are 
supposed to be teenagers. 

1081
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:46,200
Aryan is 18 at most, 16 at the 
least, and Dunk is like 17. 

1082
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,880
So they're basically the same 
age, Duncan Aryan, but they 

1083
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,840
don't look it because they're in
real life. 

1084
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,760
They're adults, well above 
teenagers. 

1085
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,520
It's it's they do make a point 
of showing Makar's chair being 

1086
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,200
empty and then they have Dunk 
point that out. 

1087
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,240
So they really want to draw your
attention to that. 

1088
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,040
And this is as I pointed out 
earlier, because Makar is out 

1089
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,640
looking for Daron and Egg. 
Aryan has the opportunity to do 

1090
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,120
this. 
He would not behave like this if

1091
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,760
his father was watching. 
That's made very clear. 

1092
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,880
The subtext is that Makar has 
Tywin levels of denial about how

1093
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,360
what his children are and will 
accept excuses. 

1094
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,120
Aryan could be like, Oh yeah, it
was just an accident. 

1095
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,560
You know, my Lance went low. 
He, everybody else knows he did 

1096
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,200
it on purpose, but Makar will 
probably accept the excuse that 

1097
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,200
it was an accident. 
That's probably what his plan 

1098
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,960
was. 
He he knows that his father has 

1099
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,560
high levels of denial and plays 
to that, which is why he acts a 

1100
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,800
certain way in front of his 
father and doesn't when he's not

1101
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,320
there. 
It's pretty straightforward, I 

1102
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,760
think. 
So they give a slight change 

1103
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,400
from the novel and they add an 
extra pass in the book. 

1104
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,840
It's just one tilt and it's 
over. 

1105
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,160
But because there's less 
jousting in this overall episode

1106
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,600
and they wanted to focus on 
these characters a little more. 

1107
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,880
And because, damn, if you're 
going to put all that armor on 

1108
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,480
for Aryan, you may as well get a
little more out of it, you know?

1109
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,720
So they have him like Veer out 
of the way and and Humphrey 

1110
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,280
almost like pitches over like 
trying to reach over and loses 

1111
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,480
his Lance basically. 
And then of course, the actual 

1112
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,840
disgusting moment, which we 
predicted will be very brutal. 

1113
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,360
Easy prediction. 
You know, they're not going to 

1114
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,640
shy away from showing that on a 
on ATV show like this. 

1115
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,960
Very interesting behind the 
scenes on how they made how they

1116
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,360
filmed it and did the Lance 
through the neck and all that 

1117
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,120
stuff. 
The the horse looked pretty, 

1118
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,600
pretty savage there. 
I like to say that a little. 

1119
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,840
One more point about his armor. 
It's it's like the opposite of 

1120
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,240
steely Pates, you know, like the
one guy's like as much 

1121
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:38,160
functional and no ornamentation.
I mean, this is very functional 

1122
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,880
armor, I'm sure, but it's it's 
very ornamental. 

1123
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,520
The same music that played here 
was the light hearted sort of 

1124
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,000
music they played at the end 
with the reveal, which I thought

1125
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,600
was an interesting choice. 
I saw the so they they made the 

1126
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,120
riot a little less like severe 
by having music that was a 

1127
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,600
little more light hearted. 
Go with it. 

1128
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,560
Even as Baylor is cringing and 
you know, going Oh God, this. 

1129
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,680
I knew this was going to happen 
or something like this was going

1130
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,600
to happen. 
Yeah, this was actually one of 

1131
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,200
my favorite sequences in the 
episode 2 in terms of how they 

1132
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,600
edited it and cut it and put 
music to it. 

1133
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,640
I thought it was just so 
effective to show this like 

1134
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,160
dark, dark and comedic 
brutality, you know, and showing

1135
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,680
the the agitation of the crowd 
and like, I don't know, just 

1136
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,760
how, how everything, how 
everything for the Targaryens is

1137
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,600
kind of just hitting the fan, 
you know what I mean? 

1138
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,240
Like this, it's showing that 
they're losing control and it's 

1139
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,640
like a circus. 
I guess it's it's kind of like 

1140
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,280
what you you see here. 
And I feel like that music 

1141
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,400
really intensified that. 
And Aryan is very sensitive to 

1142
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,000
that, according to some behind 
the scenes comments. 

1143
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,600
And it makes sense that he's 
insecure about not just himself,

1144
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,880
but about how Targaryen's 
position compared to how they 

1145
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,160
have been. 
They're just so much weaker than

1146
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,280
they had been in the past that 
they're not viewed as taking as 

1147
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,120
seriously, etcetera. 
So he's very keenly aware of 

1148
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,360
that. 
And making it worse. 

1149
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,680
Yeah, he's making it worse. 
Yeah, this is not the way to 

1150
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,640
help Aryan. 
That was a a neat little insight

1151
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,960
I got from I think it was from 
the behind the episode and I 

1152
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,920
think it was the director 
talking about it that, you know,

1153
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,240
in a sort of big picture sense. 
I mean, I'm going to go into 

1154
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:22,520
more detail than they did even 
there, but the Targaryens have 

1155
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,400
lost an amount of power at this 
point. 

1156
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,840
They don't have the Dragons 
anymore. 

1157
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:29,800
And you know, the whole coin 
flip thing about, you know, we 

1158
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,520
kind of go back and forth and 
what you get out of Targaryens. 

1159
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,640
But you know, in recent times 
there have been some troubling 

1160
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,360
Targaryen leaders and wars and 
they don't have Dragons. 

1161
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,400
And so they really need to be 
leading through D, through, you 

1162
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,640
know, good decisions and 
charisma and leadership and so 

1163
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,960
on, right. 
And that's probably largely why 

1164
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,680
they're at this tournament, 
right? 

1165
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,600
They want to mingle with the 
regular people and buddy up to 

1166
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,560
the different nobles and show 
off their sons who are going to 

1167
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,640
be kings one day and on and on, 
right? 

1168
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,360
That's this is sort of a PR 
moment for them and Aryan ruins 

1169
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,920
it. 
He jumped into the exact 

1170
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,760
opposite of what Baylor was 
trying to accomplish here. 

1171
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,520
It's so awful on so many levels.
And yeah, 'cause he thinks that 

1172
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,240
the way to accomplish Targaryen 
supremacy or to restore it is 

1173
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,240
through fear, which is very 
misguided. 

1174
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,200
But it's more of Makar's 
parenting behind it all, I 

1175
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,760
think, as a man who is very 
harsh about things and 

1176
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,760
authoritative. 
And this is sort of an extension

1177
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,200
of that. 
Obviously, Makar isn't fully 

1178
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,080
responsible for how Aryan came 
out. 

1179
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,240
After all, Eamon and Egg are his
sons also, and they're not like 

1180
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,520
that at all. 
So yeah, it's it's just, you 

1181
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,720
know, that nature versus 
nurture, There's a lot of nature

1182
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,960
in there as well as the nurture.
How about these? 

1183
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,080
How about the star? 
How about these Star Wars 

1184
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,400
looking Kingsguard? 
They look like the Imperial 

1185
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,120
Guard from from the Emperor's 
Imperial Guard, but white 

1186
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,440
instead of red. 
How do they keep so clean? 

1187
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,640
Man, they, they look kind of 
sinister, don't they? 

1188
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Yeah, I know they're these 
spikes on their heads and 

1189
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,120
they're all all white and yeah, 
I think they're very sinister 

1190
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,560
and especially paired with the 
music and just beating back the 

1191
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,720
crowd who are not on horses. 
And yeah, yeah, it's pretty 

1192
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,640
effective. 
Yeah, I know. 

1193
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,120
This is the way they stand out 
amidst amongst that crowd too. 

1194
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:18,160
It's like, whoa, that is just so
white amongst all that grime and

1195
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,920
Gray and green and Browns and. 
They do look like they wrote in 

1196
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:28,320
off. 
The Hoth Snow Troopers Snow 

1197
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,680
Guard Here is the book version 
of the aftermath of that scene, 

1198
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,640
and as you'll see, it's again 
really similar to what we just 

1199
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,320
saw quote. 
Dunk felt sick himself. 

1200
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,840
What would I do if such a fate 
befell Thunder? 

1201
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,240
A man at arms with a pole axe 
dispatched Sir Humphrey's 

1202
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,480
stallion, ending the hideous 
screams. 

1203
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,240
Dunk turned and forced his way 
through the press. 

1204
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,400
When he came to open ground, he 
lifted Egg off his shoulders. 

1205
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,640
The boy's hood had fallen back 
and his eyes were red. 

1206
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,000
A terrible sight, aye. 
He told the lad. 

1207
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,120
But a Squire must needs be 
strong. 

1208
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,000
You'll see worse mishaps at 
other tourneys, I fear. 

1209
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:18,080
It was no mishap, Egg said, 
mouth trembling. 

1210
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,480
It's one of the only times he 
doesn't call him Sir. 

1211
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,520
And I think that's a sign of 
because in this moment, Egg 

1212
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,360
knows best. 
Egg knows what's going on better

1213
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,120
than Dunk. 
And there's no doubt about it 

1214
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,840
because that's his brother. 
He's like, you're not going to 

1215
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,000
tell me what my brother 
intended. 

1216
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,720
I know what my brother intended.
So I think that's the telling 

1217
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,040
that the the honorific that he's
always very careful to include 

1218
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:46,240
is not there this time also 
because he's just angry and and 

1219
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,080
disgusted. 
All right folks, roughly our 

1220
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,080
halfway point. 
A lot to say about this episode.

1221
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,360
We're having a lot of fun with 
it. 

1222
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,520
There's so many great scenes to 
dig into. 

1223
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,280
We've got more coming in a 
minute. 

1224
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,880
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1225
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,880
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1226
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,040
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1227
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,320
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1228
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,800
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1229
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,000
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1230
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,600
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1231
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,560
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1232
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,320
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1233
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,480
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1234
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,440
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1235
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,960
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Additionally, and yeah, just a 

1236
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,280
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1237
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,520
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1238
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,800
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1239
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,480
Anyway, let's continue. 
We have Alice with Three Fingers

1240
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,160
featuring my favorite single 
line and my favorite single 

1241
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,640
scene of the episode. 
With the end of the jousting, 

1242
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,960
they have more leisure time. 
After seeing such a horrible 

1243
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,400
sight, why not head over to Sir 
Lionel's for some light hearted 

1244
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,760
entertainment? 
Maybe a drink? 

1245
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,480
There's always something going 
on there, right? 

1246
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,200
They're partying during the 
daytime, aren't they? 

1247
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,600
Yeah. 
Let's them get out of the rain 

1248
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:08,800
too. 
Yeah, good point. 

1249
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,440
It is raining a little bit. 
That's a good point. 

1250
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,920
So here are the lyrics to Alice 
with Three Fingers. 

1251
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:14,760
A Shay. 
I read the other one. 

1252
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:19,960
I will read this 10 Alice was a 
special last born Berefta thumb 

1253
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,400
lost a digit tending flock now 
feeling awfully glum. 

1254
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,800
Oh, Alice with three fingers a 
copper in her glass had two 

1255
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,360
fingers less than most. 
She'll shove them up your ass. 

1256
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,400
Hey, I once gave her a silver 
feeling down alone. 

1257
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,520
I tried to buy a pinky, but I 
got the whole arm bone. 

1258
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,000
Oh, Alice with three fingers 
never had a lot. 

1259
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,680
She gave me all she had to give.
Two more than what was sought O2

1260
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:50,240
more than what I bought. 
Oh yeah, so of course the song 

1261
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,080
is pretty funny, but it's mostly
just a set up for this brilliant

1262
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,040
conversation. 
And as I said at the beginning, 

1263
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,080
I find it brilliant because it's
funny, but it's really the 

1264
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,040
essence of who Egg is. 
His career as a king is small 

1265
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:03,840
folk focused. 
It's in fact a big part of the 

1266
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,440
reason why people didn't want 
him to be king because he was 

1267
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,600
so, you know, considered quote, 
half a peasant by mini nobles. 

1268
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,240
And so, you know, he says, do 
you suppose there wasn't Alice? 

1269
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,520
And this is another thing I 
love. 

1270
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,400
This is Dunk is this is again, 
he couldn't have this 

1271
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,240
conversation with his family. 
They wouldn't care. 

1272
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,560
They'd be like, I don't care 
about was there was an Alice or 

1273
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,760
not. 
And Dunk isn't like denigrating 

1274
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,760
the question. 
He's not just humoring him. 

1275
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,400
He's in the moment with him. 
He's trying to even though he 

1276
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,360
doesn't really have much 
insight, he's still wants to 

1277
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,120
help AG work through it. 
He's like, well, this is 

1278
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,680
something interesting to AG. 
I'm thus interested too. 

1279
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,080
I'm going to be a father or a 
brother and, you know, not mock 

1280
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,760
him for his interests. 
And it has the he's really gets 

1281
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,720
that well. 
Is it a story of honor? 

1282
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,280
This is a woman that didn't have
a lot of natural gifts but made 

1283
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,160
the most of it. 
And he considers that very 

1284
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,200
noble, something that his family
wouldn't. 

1285
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,080
I don't think so. 
And and he refers to Hope. 

1286
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,120
He says it. 
Her name is Hope, Sir, and she 

1287
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,760
belongs to all who invoke it. 
Then, you know, these these are 

1288
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,920
very these are things that you 
don't normally get from royalty.

1289
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,040
And it's part of what Meg's egg 
megs. 

1290
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:20,640
Meg's makes Egg special and how 
Dunk is very supportive of this 

1291
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,720
aspect of him in general. 
Yeah, I totally agree. 

1292
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,800
As Aziz, I don't think I could 
put it any better. 

1293
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,600
I think it really does show that
Egg is grappling with with a lot

1294
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,800
of philosophical questions that 
he's learning to to see 

1295
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,000
commoners. 
Is is just people just like the 

1296
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,080
nobles, of course. 
And I think he's grappling with 

1297
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,160
his own abilities. 
Like what he talks about a 

1298
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,160
dogged spirit and how you just 
have to work hard and give it 

1299
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,160
your all. 
You know, the whole arm bone, as

1300
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,840
it were. 
That was my favorite line of the

1301
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,320
episode, too. 
I just think it it it was 

1302
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,640
hilarious, but also really 
speaks to giving it your all, 

1303
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,440
you know, given a given 110%. 
And so, yeah, I thought it was a

1304
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:04,320
a funny scene, but also a scene 
that'll speak so much to who Egg

1305
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,320
is and who Egg is going to 
become. 

1306
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,320
It was. 
I love the scene too. 

1307
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,640
All the things you guys said, 
things I hadn't thought of and 

1308
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,480
things that you said better than
I would have. 

1309
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:18,800
But even more I want to add. 
It was set up so well because 

1310
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,120
Egg asked that, you know, I 
don't know, innocuous question. 

1311
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,680
Why do you think your name is 
really Alice? 

1312
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,000
And the duck's like, oh, I don't
know, you know, that's someone 

1313
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,080
that's something wiser people 
that make him figure out. 

1314
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,800
And to Dunk, that's the end of 
the conversation. 

1315
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,400
Think earlier when he told Egg, 
well, yeah, people call me dumb 

1316
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,760
and Egg was ready for 
elaboration and Dunk was just 

1317
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,120
done. 
But Egg's like, no, I got some 

1318
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,920
elaboration. 
And, you know, you know, he what

1319
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,120
you thought would just be like, 
oh, wow, I don't know. 

1320
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,360
Isn't that a funny thing? 
But egg, as I know I have some 

1321
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,360
extended serious thoughts about 
this. 

1322
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,520
It was I, I loved it in a 
million ways. 

1323
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,000
Also, how many times do you 
think they've heard that song 

1324
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,280
that afternoon so far? 
Like if we heard it twice, you 

1325
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,560
know, we heard him sing it and 
then sing it, run it back. 

1326
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,640
Maybe Egg had heard it like 5 
times and he's like I really 

1327
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,400
have been thinking about this 
for a minute. 

1328
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,440
If there's one universal truth 
about people who are drunk, it's

1329
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:13,480
that they're repetitive. 
So yeah, let's talk about 

1330
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,480
fathers. 
It's been a theme throughout our

1331
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,320
discussion and it's certainly a 
theme throughout the episode. 

1332
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:22,440
Right after this scene is when 
they have a brief discussion 

1333
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,680
about that. 
Dunk asks him that while they're

1334
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,280
chewing on sausages, by the way,
another like tasty looking food 

1335
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,120
that they're walking around with
having a munch. 

1336
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,240
He says, did you know your 
father? 

1337
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,400
And there's a pause and he has 
to think for a second. 

1338
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,920
He says no, not really. 
So he's using no in the non 

1339
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,960
literal sense. 
He obviously knows his father, 

1340
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,080
but like, he doesn't have much 
of a relationship with him. 

1341
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,360
You know, his father's been 
around. 

1342
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,440
He's got six children. 
He lost his wife. 

1343
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,000
You know, he's a war hero. 
He's not very warm or sensitive.

1344
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,800
They don't maybe even have a lot
in common, you know. 

1345
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,800
So he doesn't know. 
He's like, yeah, I know him, but

1346
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,440
I don't know him. 
You know, I think that's what I 

1347
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,560
took from that. 
He's again, he answered the 

1348
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,800
question this time, Sean, Like 
this is one of the times we did 

1349
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,920
answer the question, but it 
still wasn't a direct answer. 

1350
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,760
And I think it's we'll put a pin
in it for what I know we're 

1351
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,840
going to end up talking about 
more, but the idea what it means

1352
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,320
to know someone. 
So yeah. 

1353
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:20,840
Good point. 
Yeah. 

1354
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,640
So it's no accident that this 
line came in this episode 

1355
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,240
instead of one of the first two.
You know, they're setting up. 

1356
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,320
We're getting really close to, 
at this point, revealing who his

1357
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,800
father is. 
Meanwhile, Dunk's side of 

1358
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,160
things, he believes his own 
father was a thief because 

1359
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,840
that's what people told him and 
he talked. 

1360
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,800
He talks about Bola Brown and 
that sort of light hearted line.

1361
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,280
He's like, well, my father is as
big as me. 

1362
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:43,640
He wouldn't have been a very 
good thief. 

1363
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,880
You know, It's like, that's 
pretty good. 

1364
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,120
So it's crazy how present Makar 
is without being present at all.

1365
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,560
His he looms over all of this. 
When you really think about it 

1366
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,320
again, his absence allows Aryan 
to be villainous and his he's 

1367
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,560
absent because of Darren and Egg
being missing or absent 

1368
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,680
themselves. 
It's weird to say a Prince is 

1369
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,120
making the most of it because 
Princess have so much, right? 

1370
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,800
They're as privileged as it 
gets. 

1371
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,080
But wealth and power or in royal
ancestry is a recurring theme 

1372
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,400
throughout George's writings. 
That none of those things mean 

1373
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,240
you'll have good parents, right?
In fact, it might mean you. 

1374
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,080
It might work against you in a 
lot of cases because of all that

1375
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,280
wealth and power and pride 
distracts them from being 

1376
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,280
parents, to put it mildly. 
Distracting is probably a kind 

1377
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,840
way to put it, but the bottom 
line is the same. 

1378
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:35,360
Unparented children or poorly 
parented children. 

1379
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:37,560
Certainly a lot of what's going 
on with Aryan and Darren as 

1380
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,160
well. 
But if Aryan and Darren feel 

1381
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:43,480
more of the pressure whereas Egg
feels more left out, I think. 

1382
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,760
You talking just now, you 
sparked a thought on me that I 

1383
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,280
hadn't even considered before. 
But I don't know, consider this 

1384
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,480
Dunk. 
In his mind, he's almost 

1385
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,960
suspicious of either his dad 
couldn't have been as big as him

1386
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,480
or couldn't have been a thief or
couldn't have been a good one. 

1387
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,680
And Dunk also has this idea that
all these big strong men who are

1388
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,680
Knights in armor with Shields 
and horses, their honor, they 

1389
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,880
couldn't be. 
No way Aryan killed that horse 

1390
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,479
on purpose. 
Even Robin Reisling default 

1391
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,760
assumed Egg had stolen that 
horse. 

1392
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,040
There's like this parallel, 
There's this. 

1393
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,200
What's the word I'm looking for?
Congruency. 

1394
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,840
I can't even be a word. 
But big people are honorable and

1395
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,920
not thieves, small people, 
thieves, you know, like you. 

1396
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,399
You can't be a good honorable 
person if you're not a big 

1397
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,200
strong man. 
You're probably a swarmy thief 

1398
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,560
if you're a little scrawny punk 
kid, you know what I mean? 

1399
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,080
There's I, I, you know, I'm not 
sure that's a point that Martin 

1400
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,880
or the show is trying to make, 
but it is something that's 

1401
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,200
seeping through one way or the 
other, you know? 

1402
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,880
Absolutely. 
One last point about Makar, 

1403
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,439
well, maybe not one last point, 
but one other point about Makar.

1404
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:03,680
Is that Darren isn't just 
missing, he's missing because of

1405
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,160
the pressure from his father. 
So it's like Makar is chasing 

1406
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,240
after Daron, not really coming 
to terms with the fact that he's

1407
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,279
the reason Daron keeps running 
off. 

1408
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,240
Like they say Daron's done this 
before or Baylor says Daron's 

1409
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,080
done this before. 
He's maybe maybe that was Baylor

1410
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,240
trying to like get that point 
across without throwing it in 

1411
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,120
his face. 
He's like, he keeps doing this. 

1412
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:25,720
You keep pushing him and he 
keeps doing this. 

1413
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,120
Maybe you should pick up on this
pattern, brother, you know? 

1414
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,960
But Nope, Makar is blind. 
Like we said, he's in denial, 

1415
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,080
he's blind, and he has 
expectations that he will not 

1416
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,720
set aside. 
Even Raymond Fossaway has picked

1417
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:38,800
up on that pattern. 
Yeah. 

1418
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,800
Yeah, he's like, that's why he's
pissed in his goose pie or 

1419
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,880
whatever he said his swan pie, 
that's what it was. 

1420
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,760
So it's all very connected to 
this. 

1421
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,520
It's it's really neat. 
So we've compared Makar to 

1422
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,840
Stannis quite a bit, and it's a 
good point. 

1423
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,600
He is like Stannis, but in this 
light he's more of a Tywin 

1424
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,280
because Stannis. 
While he's not exactly a good 

1425
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,920
father to Shreen, in fact he 
will probably prove to be as bad

1426
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,880
a father as possible if he burns
her, which we do expect, but we 

1427
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,640
just don't know what kind of 
father he is in general other 

1428
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,400
than an absentee future 
emulator. 

1429
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,200
He he's cold and proud like 
Makar. 

1430
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,720
But we all know boys and girls 
are treated way differently in 

1431
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,840
this setting. 
Their upbringings are extremely 

1432
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:25,040
different, the path they get put
on, and Makar has four sons and 

1433
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,800
Stannis has zero, so that you 
can't really compare. 

1434
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,960
I wouldn't say that Makar is 
nearly as bad a person as Tywin 

1435
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:35,440
outside of parenting either. 
But they're both overbearing. 

1436
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,720
They expect too much, they are 
very concerned with image, 

1437
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,840
they're very willing to be 
violent as Tywin would put it. 

1438
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,560
He requires a sharp lesson. 
That's very similar to Makar 

1439
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,400
saying I'll see him change or 
I'll see him dead, right? 

1440
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,880
Like these are, these are very 
stubborn men who are used to 

1441
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,600
getting what they want. 
And but with human beings, you 

1442
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,920
can't have what you want. 
People can't be what they're 

1443
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,800
not. 
But he's not giving up on that, 

1444
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,600
just like Tywin wouldn't. 
I feel like it's a little bit 

1445
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,440
different than how the books 
presented it. 

1446
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,480
I like, I don't think he said 
that I'll see him deadline in 

1447
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:08,920
the books for example. 
No, he did. 

1448
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,320
He did. 
Did he? 

1449
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,880
I don't quite remember that, but
I still do feel like in the 

1450
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,600
books, and again, you know, I, I
have a certain bias, I guess. 

1451
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,360
I don't know, I, I tend to like 
Stannis. 

1452
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,400
I, my default is, you know, I'm 
not saying he's faultless, but I

1453
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,760
tend to like him and I tended to
like Makar also in the books 

1454
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,920
anyway, so far in the show, not 
so much. 

1455
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,840
I felt like in the books it was 
a little bit more he was 

1456
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,880
exasperated and wasn't sure what
he was supposed to do. 

1457
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:39,800
And in the the show, it seems 
more like he doesn't care about 

1458
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,240
figuring out what to do. 
These kids all beat him into 

1459
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:44,160
place. 
You know what I mean? 

1460
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,040
I don't know. 
I did. 

1461
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:46,720
It seemed in the book like he 
was. 

1462
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,560
And, you know, maybe I'm giving 
more credit for the entirety of 

1463
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:54,120
the book, but it seemed like he 
was more wanting to be a good 

1464
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:55,800
father and hadn't figured it out
yet. 

1465
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,480
Here it seems like I'm a good 
father. 

1466
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,080
How come my boys aren't good, 
you know? 

1467
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,280
I could see that sort of, Yeah, 
maybe. 

1468
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:04,800
I think the I think the book 
relies on a little more subtlety

1469
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,720
for that. 
I think they have Makar acting 

1470
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,280
more gruff and cursing a lot to 
to draw that out more. 

1471
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,640
Maybe it might have been the 
point. 

1472
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,120
Now, one other difference 
between them that's not similar.

1473
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:17,600
Tywin this separated from Makar 
or Stannis because he was the 

1474
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,200
first born son. 
He has the inborn confidence of 

1475
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,600
the first born, which neither 
Makar or Stannis have. 

1476
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,400
They both have that chip on 
their shoulder, which in Makar's

1477
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,840
case, he pushes. 
That chip is also extended to 

1478
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,920
his children. 
He pushes that on them as well. 

1479
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,840
He's like, you should have chips
on your shoulder too. 

1480
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,840
Meanwhile, Tywin's youngest 
brother was Jerian and now 

1481
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,520
Jerian. 
The description of Jerian is 

1482
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,280
that he's like everyone else was
playing the game. 

1483
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,280
Tywin was the the power 
authority. 

1484
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,800
Kevin just got in line with him.
Tygart tried to be like Tywin 

1485
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,320
just wasn't good enough. 
And Jerry's like, I'm not 

1486
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,760
playing this game. 
I'm doing my own thing. 

1487
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,240
That's egg to me. 
He's like, I'm not doing any of 

1488
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,040
this, you guys, I hate what 
you're doing. 

1489
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,520
I'm doing my own thing now. 
His doing his own thing is very 

1490
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,720
different than Jerian's doing 
his own thing, but it's still 

1491
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,680
his own thing. 
Jerian wanted to sail off to 

1492
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,600
Valyria. 
AG isn't doing something like 

1493
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,120
that, but it's still in a few. 
Years. 

1494
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:13,640
In a few years. 
Yeah, maybe, maybe the fortune 

1495
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,400
teller, this is a small yet huge
moment. 

1496
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,080
Like AG himself. 
Plumber's in this scene. 

1497
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,440
So I almost, it's like he's it's
almost like that maybe there's a

1498
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,640
little bit of subtext of 
choosing your destiny here. 

1499
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,040
He's like, I'm not choosing 
that. 

1500
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,080
What is my future, you know? 
But he doesn't take it very 

1501
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,040
seriously. 
AG does like this is Dunk laughs

1502
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,960
harder in this scene than he 
does in any other. 

1503
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,320
And except for maybe when he's 
with Raymond a little bit later.

1504
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,240
So he. 
But he hardly reacts to what she

1505
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,640
says. 
She's like, oh, he's he's like, 

1506
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,000
you want, you want your fortune.
And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, 

1507
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,280
go ahead. 
He says it in almost like a flat

1508
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:49,600
voice, like, oh, sure, let's do 
it. 

1509
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:52,400
And she says, you shall know 
success and be richer than a 

1510
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,000
Lannister. 
And he says thank you 

1511
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,520
nonchalantly, like, all right, 
move on. 

1512
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,600
You know, like, OK, cool. 
So let's discuss that real 

1513
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,680
quickly before moving on to what
she says about Egg. 

1514
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,120
Shay, I thought you had a pretty
good take on this. 

1515
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,880
OK. 
I think it's basically referring

1516
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:11,800
to how eventually Rohan Weber 
marries Gerald Lannister and she

1517
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,880
leaves him. 
And it's long been a theory that

1518
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,840
Dunkin Egg or Dunk more Nate 
more specifically, but that 

1519
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:21,760
their plot lines would intersect
with that in her leaving. 

1520
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,600
And so when he says you shall 
know success and be richer than 

1521
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,080
a Lannister, I think they mean 
you're going to cock a Lannister

1522
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,920
basically like you're like 
Rohan's going to leave her 

1523
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,600
husband and you will know 
success with her. 

1524
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,440
That's that's what I think it's 
saying basically to me. 

1525
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,160
I like that interpretation a 
lot. 

1526
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,520
I have. 
I have no notes on that. 

1527
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,080
Just you should. 
It's not meant to be, clearly 

1528
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:46,320
not meant to be literally 
wealthier, having more money 

1529
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,840
than a Lannister. 
That ain't happening. 

1530
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,280
So we have to look for other 
interpretations. 

1531
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,760
I also want to say in the chat I
see another great interpretation

1532
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:59,440
here that I like from Jenny of 
Cold Stone Creamery richer than 

1533
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:04,080
Jaime Lannister in the pages of 
the Kingsguard book he does have

1534
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,920
more pages. 
Richer than a specific 

1535
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,160
Lannister, that one specific 
one. 

1536
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:08,680
Than a. 
Lancer way more. 

1537
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,360
Pages, but way more pages, so I 
like that a whole lot. 

1538
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,720
I think both are great. 
Love that Jenny, I love the 

1539
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,680
name. 
Can I can I say I like those 

1540
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,720
both a lot, but I don't quite 
buy either one. 

1541
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,560
I'm going to hold off to tell 
you what I think after we get 

1542
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,840
past the egg part. 
OK, so now here's the egg part. 

1543
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:29,240
He, he, he's. 
She goes, hey, you know, you do 

1544
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,000
him. 
Now an egg is flabbergasted. 

1545
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,120
He takes it very seriously. 
Here's the exact wording. 

1546
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,360
You shall be king. 
You will die in a hot fire, and 

1547
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,520
worms will feed upon your ashes.
And all who know you shall 

1548
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,040
rejoice in your dying. 
And he goes, What? 

1549
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,400
And Dunk just starts laughing. 
He just breaks out laughing. 

1550
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:46,720
Like that's funny. 
Yeah, good. 

1551
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,000
Good one. 
Like he takes his You're a 

1552
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:49,920
comedy. 
It would. 

1553
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,120
Be really comedic if you heard 
that you're like orphan boy 

1554
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,720
Squire was going to be like that
sounds so crazy. 

1555
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,760
That sounds so. 
Crazy of your talk. 

1556
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,160
Doesn't that crazy? 
No, it sounds very possible. 

1557
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,760
Right, and it's so preposterous 
that he would be king, but also 

1558
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,320
it's preposterous to dunk that 
everyone rejoice is dying. 

1559
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,560
This smart little hard working 
kid who would rejoice is dying. 

1560
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,760
I think he's both parts are 
hilarious to dunk. 

1561
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,520
So a little bit of I, I want to 
hear what else you have to say 

1562
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:16,840
about this, Sean. 
But I want to add something that

1563
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,920
I think a lot of people didn't 
notice and I don't know that 

1564
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,080
it's relevant. 
In fact, I lean towards not, but

1565
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,200
it's an interesting thing to 
take note of. 

1566
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:28,520
This is the same actress that 
was the innkeeper in the first 

1567
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,040
episode. 
I just recognized the bottom 

1568
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,080
half of her face and then looked
it up and yeah, it's her. 

1569
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:34,800
So it's the same. 
It's probably just the same 

1570
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,040
actress. 
It probably isn't the same 

1571
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,840
person in the show, but it could
be. 

1572
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,360
My semi crackpot, if not 
complete crackpot theory is that

1573
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,600
remember in the book she says, 
you know, all that guy does is 

1574
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,640
talk about his dream drink and 
talk about his dreams. 

1575
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,000
So she's heard him talk about 
his dreams a lot. 

1576
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,400
She could recycle them and go 
back and just like tell 

1577
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,120
prophecies to people and like, 
hey, I've got the wording and 

1578
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,560
everything. 
Like this is going to sound 

1579
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,520
authentic because it came from 
this guy or whatever. 

1580
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,440
I don't know. 
There's a lot of reasons why 

1581
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:03,560
that doesn't work, but it's just
a fun thought. 

1582
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,280
So go ahead and tell me what you
think about this interpretation,

1583
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,480
Sean, then I'll then I'll give 
mine. 

1584
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,240
So one thing I'll say in the 
second part to, you know, 

1585
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,400
analyze the meaning of and all 
who know you shall rejoice and 

1586
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,000
you're dying. 
That part doesn't make sense to 

1587
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,240
me. 
And, and and just like being 

1588
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,360
richer than a Lannister, I, I 
was stretching to find ways that

1589
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,840
might be, might have some 
meaning. 

1590
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,280
And I thought of like the Jamie 
Lannister thing, like rich might

1591
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,280
not be in wealth and the way she
said a Lannister. 

1592
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,080
So did that mean just a generic 
Lannister, a certain Lannister 

1593
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,640
or maybe there's some poor 
cousin Lannister in a cadet 

1594
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,200
branch. 
It isn't what you know, I 

1595
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,160
there's ways you could stretch 
for that to be quote UN quote 

1596
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,320
true somehow. 
And I think but the thing like 

1597
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,000
all shall rejoice and you're 
dying. 

1598
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,440
It's hard to stretch that to be 
true. 

1599
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,120
There's this idea the egg is, I 
don't think. 

1600
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,040
It is. 
I don't think it is, Sean. 

1601
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,840
The all is the part. 
I think all. 

1602
01:17:58,840 --> 01:17:59,760
I think. 
I think. 

1603
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,360
You think Amon, You think his 
brother Amon up at up at the 

1604
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,360
wall rejoiced Egg's death. 
Sometimes things can be because.

1605
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,280
He would be part of all. 
Rejoice is extreme word, but I 

1606
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,680
do think there could be a sense 
of relief that his his his 

1607
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:18,280
brother who had gone rather mad.
You know, I, I yeah, maybe Eamon

1608
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,120
is the exception, but also, 
like, that's getting caught up 

1609
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,920
on all. 
Not every person even has an 

1610
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,320
opinion in this. 
You know many people are 

1611
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,040
neutral, right? 
I mean, that's that's the whole 

1612
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,160
point I'm making here is that 
there are ways maybe like, you 

1613
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:35,760
know, especially you think about
maybe egg went mad and all the 

1614
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,160
stuff he's trying to do for the 
common people made the nobles 

1615
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,120
mad. 
And and even I mentioned earlier

1616
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,040
when talking about did he know 
his dad? 

1617
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,800
We could talk about what you 
mean by no, because all the 

1618
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,000
common people wouldn't rejoice 
after everything you did for 

1619
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,080
them I guess. 
Unless he also went mad and 

1620
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,360
killed a bunch of them randomly 
like Aries did. 

1621
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,480
But do the common people really 
know him that well? 

1622
01:18:57,480 --> 01:18:59,520
I don't. 
Know exactly do they really know

1623
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,960
him? 
So once again, I'm doing mental 

1624
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,560
gymnastics to try to make sense 
of that, just like I was doing 

1625
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,440
adrenal gymnastics, try to make 
sense of Dunk being richer than 

1626
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:10,600
Lannister. 
And I think there are ways you 

1627
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,040
can maybe do it, but you really 
have to stretch and make some 

1628
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,040
assumptions, especially when you
count for Eamon. 

1629
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,920
But I think the more likely 
thing, the answer to both of 

1630
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,560
these things that you're 
stretching to find a way is it's

1631
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,960
just a false prophecy. 
It's just like all prophecies 

1632
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,160
have some misleading, inaccurate
it's. 

1633
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,160
Not shot, it's. 
Very real. 

1634
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,320
It's very it's. 
He is going to be kidding and 

1635
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,800
die in a hot fire. 
So that she's definitely right. 

1636
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,360
That's definitely prophetic. 
I'm not saying the whole thing 

1637
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,880
is completely wrong, just like I
don't think she is correct when 

1638
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,040
she says all will rejoice. 
I think there's some truth to 

1639
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,160
this prophecy and some 
falsehood. 

1640
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,520
I think she said one true thing 
and one false thing about Dunk 

1641
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,040
and one true thing and one false
thing about Egg. 

1642
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,160
And just like all prophecies, 
you go spinning off trying to 

1643
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,320
understand and figure it out, 
but in the end you can't figure 

1644
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,360
it out the right way. 
And I think in this case, the 

1645
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,040
reason can't figure out the 
right ways because it's just not

1646
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,800
quite right. 
It's just not quite a correct 

1647
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,840
prophecy. 
I think it implies, right? 

1648
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,960
I think it implies really dark 
for us all, which is that egg 

1649
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:14,760
was had gone full tilt into this
and everyone around him was 

1650
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,720
disillusioned by him, was 
concerned for him, was felt some

1651
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,800
measure of relief that he was 
dead. 

1652
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,840
I think that's what it implies 
to me and that's, that's really 

1653
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,320
sad. 
Insane. 

1654
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,920
You can see that now I I would 
like to push back a little eye 

1655
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:31,600
for That was my first reaction 
too. 

1656
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,720
My first reaction was this 
implies that he goes mad, but it

1657
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,440
doesn't have to. 
And one reason I think so is 

1658
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:40,040
meta. 
And that is well, we've already 

1659
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,480
had that ending. 
Well, I think it implies that he

1660
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:45,640
has a dogged spirit that 
everyone is sick to death of 

1661
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,200
because it kills. 
Them exactly like it's not 

1662
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,760
insanity, it's. 
Not insanity. 

1663
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,240
He could. 
Be taken that way, yeah, it's 

1664
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:52,440
but it's not insanity. 
That's why. 

1665
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:54,960
But it's not insane. 
But it's still is something that

1666
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,960
everyone around him is going to 
feel a sense of relief that he 

1667
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:03,520
is no longer putting them all 
through his like doggedly 

1668
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,120
focused prophetic mind. 
Yeah, and maybe this is part of 

1669
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,560
like they're meant to showing 
show us that he starts to pay 

1670
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,400
attention to prophecy more 
because this when he was nine 

1671
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,880
years old, someone gave him this
prophecy and it it stuck in his 

1672
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,280
mind. 
And the the idea that she could 

1673
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,640
say such a thing to him, not 
knowing who he is really would 

1674
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,960
really spooked him. 
It could be the type of thing 

1675
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,400
too that as he gets closer to 
being king, if it reflects back 

1676
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,000
on his prophecy like it in this 
moment, maybe he can just blow 

1677
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,600
it off. 
But as he gets closer to being 

1678
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,280
king and it does become king, 
then he's going to start to 

1679
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,680
think, what? 
Why would everyone rejoice? 

1680
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,320
Am I dying? 
And that might drive him to do 

1681
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,160
something great like hatch a 
dragon egg. 

1682
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:43,760
Hey, how could they reduce Am I 
dying? 

1683
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,440
And if I brought the Dragons 
back, and he and he causes the 

1684
01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:48,000
rejoice in his dying by trying 
to bring. 

1685
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,040
Yeah, self fulfilling prophecy 
kind of thing. 

1686
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,360
Yeah, by trying to avoid it is 
what is how you 'cause it. 

1687
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,920
So I think that's a very good 
interpretation and very strong 

1688
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,560
possibility. 
Now one more note on this. 

1689
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,520
George R Martin almost certainly
told them this like he almost 

1690
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,800
certainly had to sign off on 
that line because the George's 

1691
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,080
been very protective of the 
details around Summerhall. 

1692
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,200
He was he he, he tried to do a 
lot of clever things with the 

1693
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,720
world of Ice and fire, like have
ink spilled on the notes within 

1694
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,360
the book. 
Ultimately that didn't work as a

1695
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,560
from a publication standpoint, 
so it's just like missing parts 

1696
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,000
from the text instead. 
So George is like had this kept 

1697
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,520
this very close to the chest for
a very long time and thus I 

1698
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,640
really doubt he would be OK with
them just throwing some stuff 

1699
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,480
out that doesn't fit his plans. 
That's another thing. 

1700
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:36,120
That's another thing, Sean, you 
have to would say it has to fit 

1701
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,680
somehow. 
Yes, maybe it could be partially

1702
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,640
off. 
That's a a fine interpretation, 

1703
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:44,040
but I would approach this as if 
there's a way to interpret it 

1704
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:45,920
that makes it completely 
correct. 

1705
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,920
It doesn't have to be, but 
that's my initial way to take it

1706
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,760
because of the meta that it had 
to come from George. 

1707
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,040
Now George could could say, 
yeah, let's throw him off a 

1708
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,520
little bit. 
Let's not have it be so 

1709
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,120
straightforward. 
But ultimately there that still 

1710
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,600
leads to this being there. 
Is there an interpretation of 

1711
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,200
this that fits that? 
You know, that's how I would, 

1712
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,960
that's how I'm going to see it, 
but doesn't have to be true. 

1713
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,000
Yeah, just yeah, I agree with 
you Aziz. 

1714
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,920
And I would say just like, if 
you're going to get stuck on 

1715
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:17,440
words like, you know, be richer 
than a Lannister or all who know

1716
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:21,480
you, that's where it isn't 
necessarily exhaustively true. 

1717
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:25,360
He's not richer than a Lannister
in every possible metric, you 

1718
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,960
know, and not every single 
person who knows of Aegon 

1719
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,880
Targaryen. 
I think that's where you're 

1720
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,560
getting stuck, getting stuck in 
your craw, is that you're saying

1721
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,200
it has to be so exhaustive. 
And I don't think it has to be, 

1722
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,480
just has to be true on some 
level, in some sense. 

1723
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,560
Well, I kind of agree with you. 
That's kind of my point. 

1724
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,840
It's true on some level he'll be
king and worms will feed in his 

1725
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,560
ashes. 
But I don't. 

1726
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,560
I just don't think everyone's 
going to rejoice in his dying. 

1727
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,000
People will. 
Yeah, people will. 

1728
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:54,760
I don't think it. 
Will be all people who know him 

1729
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,680
will rejoice in his dying. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1730
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:57,520
Oh, let's move on. 
That's not. 

1731
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,400
Let's not get stuck on that now.
This next scene really connects 

1732
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,280
to it, though, which is that we 
have Raymond and Dunk now. 

1733
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:07,160
It starts with some comedy, as 
it often does. 

1734
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,240
I've seen you with that boy 
before, you know? 

1735
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,720
And he's like, this boy is my 
Squire. 

1736
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,920
The difference between the novel
and the show here is pretty 

1737
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,960
straightforward. 
Egg looks at his shoes and puts 

1738
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,360
his hood up because he he's 
afraid of Raymond recognizing 

1739
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,120
him here. 
He just kind of looks off to the

1740
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,080
side and is really quick to make
his eggs. 

1741
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,000
And he's like, yeah, go have a 
drink with him. 

1742
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,720
I'm going to go look at the 
puppet show. 

1743
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:30,280
You know, it's a very rational 
thing. 

1744
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,320
And then he adds to it by 
saying, you know, I'll pick up 

1745
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,480
your shield, right? 
This is a good plan. 

1746
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,560
And Dunk's like, uh oh. 
OK, yeah, it's a. 

1747
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,320
Good beat for Dunk too, because 
he you really see in his face 

1748
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:45,120
that he's so torn between, you 
know, the girl and networking, 

1749
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,160
which is really what this is. 
Not only is it fossil way apple 

1750
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,800
cider, which they're known for, 
but this is just a good 

1751
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,080
opportunity. 
He needs to get Intel. 

1752
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:57,440
Tansel doesn't really help him 
to get any further with his 

1753
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:00,240
goals to do well in this 
tournament and Raymond does. 

1754
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,920
I agree. 
And Raymond is so like earnest 

1755
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,440
about it, so sincere. 
He's like, we make it ourselves.

1756
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,800
He's like, he's like, oh, cider 
made by the house that is known 

1757
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,320
for apples. 
That's probably really good, 

1758
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:13,640
man. 
They've been around thousands of

1759
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,440
years. 
They really, really probably 

1760
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:21,200
nailed that recipe down. 
Raymond also, you know, extended

1761
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,680
a helpful hand to him in the 
past. 

1762
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,320
Kind of rude to not take him up 
on on him when he's continuing. 

1763
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,680
And last time he got a great 
supper with Lionel Baratheon. 

1764
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,600
It might happen. 
You know, he's got it's a good 

1765
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,320
track record. 
So and and the tracker with 

1766
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,680
Tansel is uneasy. 
Like just earlier today, she 

1767
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,960
barely acknowledged me when I 
said, hey, do you like goose 

1768
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:44,280
eggs? 
You know, so you could see he 

1769
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:45,880
definitely, like you said, she's
torn. 

1770
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,760
He's like, I wanted to get my 
shield from her, like. 

1771
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,120
Yeah, that is his thought. 
He's like, oh man, that was my 

1772
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,320
excuse to hang out and and see 
her as to get that shield. 

1773
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,840
But yeah, he, he, he's, he's 
made the right decision. 

1774
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,440
Oh yeah, 100%. 
That's why he was balking there.

1775
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:00,480
He's like, wait, no, I'm going 
to go to. 

1776
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:01,720
Yeah. 
But he's like, well, maybe I'll 

1777
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,240
have a drink, and then I'll be 
more brave about approaching 

1778
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,920
her. 
So they go inside. 

1779
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,840
They have their drink together. 
And it's so funny just how many 

1780
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,480
apples are just sitting around 
in this room. 

1781
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:14,440
There's just, like, stacks of 
apples everywhere. 

1782
01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:16,560
It's. 
I'm just very amused by that. 

1783
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,920
So they bring up Dunk casually 
brings up Sir Andrew. 

1784
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,120
Like, you know, he's still 
thinking about the having to 

1785
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,880
take that deal from Plummer. 
He hates it, but he's thinking 

1786
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,080
about it. 
And he, Raymond brings up 

1787
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,440
something he hadn't considered. 
He's like, oh, you want to play 

1788
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:33,720
the villain, huh? 
That's a local hero, a local 

1789
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,280
favorite. 
And Dunk hadn't thought about 

1790
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,280
that. 
And then they turn. 

1791
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,480
The conversation turns to what 
Aryan did. 

1792
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,480
He's like, I can't believe a a, 
you know, a Prince or would do 

1793
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:47,480
that. 
He's like, what's so hard about 

1794
01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:50,320
believing that? 
You know, he's like, they're 

1795
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,200
incestuous aliens, Duncan. 
That was my second favorite line

1796
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,080
in the episode after the whole 
arm bone. 

1797
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,400
My second favorite was their 
incestuous aliens because like, 

1798
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,080
technically correct. 
Yeah, pirates and blood 

1799
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:03,840
magickers who burned our lands 
and dragged us into their wars 

1800
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,120
with no concern for our history 
or our customs. 

1801
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:08,960
Yeah, that's also accurate, 
pretty much. 

1802
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,400
Maybe a little concern for their
history and their customs, but 

1803
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,480
not much. 
Definitely the burning their 

1804
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:15,200
lands. 
This is a great point. 

1805
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,160
I mean, it reminds us that, 
yeah, not everybody is so 

1806
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:21,560
excited about the Targaryens. 
A lot of what we've seen is the 

1807
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,600
Targaryen point of view. 
And when they're from their 

1808
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,400
point of view, everybody's not 
going to show their angry face. 

1809
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,240
They're going to be like, yes, I
love you, King and queen, I, I, 

1810
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:32,720
I bow before you. 
But in in private, they're like,

1811
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,400
those guys suck. 
You know, this is what we're 

1812
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:36,760
seeing. 
We're seeing the in private 

1813
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,680
moment where they're saying what
they really think. 

1814
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,720
This is not what they would say 
in front of the road. 

1815
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,240
They would behave and act all 
nice and chivalrous, just kind 

1816
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:44,840
of like what's been said about 
Makar. 

1817
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:49,640
So this is scene is in the book,
but they lean into it more. 

1818
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,840
And it's very fitting with what 
we just saw. 

1819
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,720
Like, people rejoice when Egg 
dies, right? 

1820
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,480
Because of things like this, 
people just hate the Targaryens.

1821
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:00,040
It isn't because they hate him 
personally. 

1822
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,360
They're just like, yeah, another
Targaryen is gone. 

1823
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,160
He says each one has been worse 
than the last. 

1824
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:06,920
You know, they're just blah, 
blah, blah. 

1825
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,520
Right. 
Then that line about. 

1826
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:09,640
Yeah. 
Go ahead. 

1827
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,200
That that's another thing that 
the perspective we've seen in 

1828
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:17,000
the past of the Targaryens was 
when they were more beloved, it 

1829
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:21,560
was at a more prosperous, 
peaceful time for the land. 

1830
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,560
And never mind even maybe people
might have been, you know, 

1831
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,720
enthralled with the Dragons. 
But then I don't even know the 

1832
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:35,360
details. 
Just minor side note, I'm trying

1833
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,400
to keep myself from being 
spoiled on the happenings of the

1834
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:41,800
Targaryen, the, the house, the 
dragon time period, you know? 

1835
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,080
But one way or the other, we 
already see Dragons just blowing

1836
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,080
up cities, you know what I mean?
And I do know that there are 

1837
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,840
some more tyrannical leaders 
follow up after that. 

1838
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:55,360
So this moment in time, 
Targaryens are less loved in the

1839
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:56,880
moment in time. 
We're seeing things from the 

1840
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,000
Targaryen perspective. 
Yes, one after another. 

1841
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,720
Wait, no. 
Were each one worse than the 

1842
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:02,440
last? 
Kind of. 

1843
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,680
The and frankly, a Song of Ice 
and Fire, let's let's not 

1844
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,720
remember, the Targaryens are not
in power anymore. 

1845
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,600
There is no, there's like not a 
lot of memory of their rule. 

1846
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,200
It's just, and it's Aries, which
is not, you know, he's about as 

1847
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,840
bad as it gets. 
So, so we don't have like the 

1848
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,400
current perspective. 
It's like, except like you said 

1849
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,000
in house the dragon, but house 
the dragon of all the of the 

1850
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:25,240
three shows is by far the most 
rooted in royalty only like it's

1851
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,360
the most royal focused, you 
know, so that you get less of 

1852
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:31,160
the common people's opinion. 
It does have common folks, you 

1853
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:34,440
know, we got the the the dragon 
seeds and things like that, but 

1854
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,800
they become like more like 
Royals and less like commoners. 

1855
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,960
Whereas this is a show where the
royal becomes more and more 

1856
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,960
common. 
You know, it's kind of going the

1857
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,480
opposite direction. 
So I really like Raymond's 

1858
01:29:45,480 --> 01:29:47,840
delivery on that. 
I continue to be enamored with 

1859
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,480
him. 
And this comes back with got a 

1860
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:53,400
little carried away there, yeah.
That was good. 

1861
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,760
I was thinking almost exactly 
that as he was going up. 

1862
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,440
Like man, this guys not holding 
back. 

1863
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,800
This is like, and he got that. 
That was so funny, like and 

1864
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:03,680
brilliant. 
Like I got that part from the 

1865
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,720
one part about finishing on 
their. 

1866
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:10,680
Yeah, not having more children 
is the gist of that part is like

1867
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,040
that relates to it. 
He's like, yes, stop having more

1868
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,200
of these kids. 
Like stop it, no more 

1869
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,280
Targaryens. 
And, and the fact that he heard 

1870
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,480
that from his elders and this is
something that's passed down, 

1871
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,640
this dislike of them all the way
back to the field of fire, which

1872
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,320
the Reach, where this is a Reach
house, a lot of fossil ways 

1873
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:27,640
probably died in the field of 
fire. 

1874
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,160
You could look at other houses, 
like maybe Lionel Baratheon 

1875
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,840
doesn't mind as much, you know, 
'cause he's a Baratheon. 

1876
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,880
He descends from the house that 
took over, right? 

1877
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,160
He's part Durandan, but he's 
part Valyrian, right? 

1878
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,960
Because of that, these guys are 
pure Richmond and have been for 

1879
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:43,680
thousands of years. 
So their view is like, yeah, 

1880
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,040
they literally burned like our 
the people who ruled us for 

1881
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,480
thousands of years and, and, and
our family as well. 

1882
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:53,480
He's not wrong entirely, but 
it's still such extreme 

1883
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:57,280
political view to just like come
out the gate with and just like 

1884
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,880
lay on lay it dunk. 
It's, you know, treasonous is 

1885
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:04,280
what it is, right. 
And so they they sit there so 

1886
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,400
awkwardly for a beat, which was 
just a great comedic moment that

1887
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:12,040
I think despite this being, you 
know, a fantasy pseudo medieval 

1888
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:15,280
world, it's still something that
people watching it can relate to

1889
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,920
a time time that they were with 
someone and someone said some 

1890
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,400
out of pocket thing, like about 
about something political or 

1891
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,480
about someone that you know, 
right. 

1892
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:25,120
And you're just like, I don't, I
don't know what. 

1893
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,880
To say to that, how do you 
really feel? 

1894
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:28,920
Yeah, Tell me how you really 
feel. 

1895
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,280
Yeah, that's exactly that. 
So I thought it was a really, 

1896
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,640
really funny scene. 
Great delivery. 

1897
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,960
I love this guy's accent so 
much. 

1898
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,120
Just Yeah, I really. 
I really like. 

1899
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:40,280
Raymond yeah, I have my big fan 
Shawn Thomas. 

1900
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:45,880
So they as far as the reveal or 
the start of the reveal, it's 

1901
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,480
almost exactly word for word 
from the novel. 

1902
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:52,000
They added one word, I think it 
was, instead of Aryan is vain 

1903
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,640
and cruel, it's Aryan is just 
vain and cruel. 

1904
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,080
He just added the word just they
nailed it. 

1905
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,320
It was perfect. 
He runs, egg runs in just as 

1906
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,280
he's about to say. 
And his youngest, Sir Duncan. 

1907
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,960
Yeah, exactly like the book, 
loved it because there's no 

1908
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,640
notes on the book version, so 
there's no reason to change it. 

1909
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,000
And I'm glad that once again, 
they didn't feel the need to 

1910
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,200
change it just because it was it
was perfect. 

1911
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:18,000
Just like the book version, an 
egg hatches at the puppet show. 

1912
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,440
So let's not forget Aryan has 
his horse taken away from him 

1913
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:25,600
and given to Sir Humphrey. 
So it really his his plan, such 

1914
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,800
as it was, backfired. 
Like he wanted to like make 

1915
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,720
people scared of him. 
And really they just look at him

1916
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,000
as weak and cowardly. 
And then he gets his horse taken

1917
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,920
away too, which is like, I'm the
Prince, I'm the dragon. 

1918
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,840
Like, how dare you? 
You take the do that, you know, 

1919
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,560
like I should be allowed to do 
what I want. 

1920
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,680
So his pride was very touched. 
He should have been seen as 

1921
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:47,400
better just because it's very 
Joffrey. 

1922
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,920
Like, it's petulance. 
It's like my reputation is more 

1923
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,840
important than these other 
things, even your life, you 

1924
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,720
know, like that is the most 
important thing. 

1925
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,000
The dragon ought not lose. 
The way he says that is it's 

1926
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,280
it's that's very like Viserys, 
like, you know, but it's also 

1927
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,360
Joffrey kind of had that moment 
too with Marillion where he's 

1928
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,000
like, yeah, sing those lyrics 
that you were singing in the 

1929
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,480
bar, you know, and then, OK, 
fingers or tongue, you get to 

1930
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:11,600
lose 1 or the other. 
Yeah. 

1931
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,880
It's you can, you could totally 
picture Aryan doing this. 

1932
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,080
In fact, Aryan almost knocks all
the dunks teeth out, which is, 

1933
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,720
you know, similar to pulling out
your tongue, I guess in a way. 

1934
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,240
So he believes he's justified, 
like Aryan thinks he's 

1935
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,200
justified. 
He doesn't think that, hey, I'm 

1936
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:26,960
going to teach him a lesson 
through cruelty and fear. 

1937
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:31,480
He thinks that this is my right.
Again, like Viserys, like it's 

1938
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:34,520
his, it's he, he's justified 
because of who he is and what he

1939
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,240
is. 
But as you said, Sean, early on,

1940
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:40,480
there are there are things that 
are unique about him that are 

1941
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:44,360
not Joffrey or Viserys. 
He has some amount of 

1942
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,200
competence, even though he's 
kind of cowardly. 

1943
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,040
I mean, he's no Baylor and he's 
solely no Makar, but he's not 

1944
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,400
propped up like Prince Valar 
either. 

1945
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,480
They're not trying to make they 
don't need to make him look 

1946
01:33:53,480 --> 01:33:56,560
good. 
He he's peevish that Valar is 

1947
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:00,280
getting that treatment. 
He's and he kind of calls him 

1948
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,800
out a little bit for it, but not
loudly. 

1949
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,280
You know, he says, you know, I 
won't embarrass you today, 

1950
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,080
cousin. 
In the book, he just laughs. 

1951
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:10,520
But I think they were, they 
changed that to because laughing

1952
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,520
is too emotional. 
They want him to be so flat and 

1953
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,280
emotionless and that laughing is
emotional. 

1954
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:18,320
What he would have done. 
Now let's let's think about what

1955
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,840
Aryan would have done. 
Aryan's plan here was to tell 

1956
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,960
his father, oh hey, the 
puppeteer was treasonous. 

1957
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,520
I did what any Targaryen should 
do. 

1958
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:29,440
But he, his plan had to change 
when Egg showed up because all 

1959
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:33,360
of a sudden there's a witness, a
witness that's of equal station 

1960
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:37,040
to him. 
And see that's why people are 

1961
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:41,440
confused about why Egg ran to 
Duncan in the book he clarifies 

1962
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,480
I couldn't run to the castles 
too far away. 

1963
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:47,560
But also Duncan can stop Aryan. 
He can't stop Aryan. 

1964
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:50,040
Egg can't stop Aryan. 
Egg can stop the guards. 

1965
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:53,280
He can order them what to do, he
can also no, they'll also stop 

1966
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,960
because Aryan won't order them 
to do anymore because he knows 

1967
01:34:55,960 --> 01:35:01,920
at that moment that Egg will 
tell and so he can order the 

1968
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,120
guards around, but he can't stop
Aryan. 

1969
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:06,160
So he needs Dunk to stop Aryan. 
He can't order Aryan to stop. 

1970
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:08,800
So that's that's why that works 
out the way it does. 

1971
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,360
Couple other points and then 
I'll let y'all weigh in on this 

1972
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,400
very important scene. 
I definitely loved, like you 

1973
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,320
said, Sean Finn Bennett's 
emotionless, arrogant cruelty. 

1974
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,280
Just on point that the silence, 
the speaking softly reminds me a

1975
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,680
little bit of Bruce Bolton. 
Just the lack of emotion. 

1976
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:23,840
There's like a spectrum of 
villains. 

1977
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:28,480
You have the Joker on one side, 
extremely loud, animated, 

1978
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,560
emotional. 
Now on the other side you have 

1979
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,880
Anton Chigurh from No Country 
with Old Men, No Country for Old

1980
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:35,760
Men. 
He was just like the silent, 

1981
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:39,080
flat, very intimidating and 
sinister guy. 

1982
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,320
This is what Aryan is channeling
more of that, I think, without 

1983
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,320
as much competence, even though 
he's more competent than say, 

1984
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,920
Avalar, He's not. 
He's no Anton Chigurh in terms 

1985
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,000
of that. 
And there's things that you 

1986
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,920
can't match with the written 
word, even as good as George's. 

1987
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,720
Like things like like certain 
expressions on your face and 

1988
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,760
just the emotions of the moment 
are hard to capture on a book 

1989
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,160
that the ways that this scene 
did very well, which is 

1990
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,040
important to to for an 
adaptation to pull these moments

1991
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,280
off well. 
All right, I'll have some more 

1992
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:08,800
to say, but let me turn it over 
to y'all. 

1993
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,600
Sean, you go first. 
One thing I want to point out is

1994
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:16,400
the once again from the behind 
the scenes thing that the sorry 

1995
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,200
Finn was that the name of the 
actor that played Aryan and the 

1996
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:20,680
director, I think her name was 
Sarah. 

1997
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:24,960
They sort of decided that in 
this moment he was curious. 

1998
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,720
He was like genuine like, oh, 
weird, this guy just sacrificed 

1999
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:30,080
his life for some moment. 
What? 

2000
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,040
Why would someone do that? 
Like it was like rather than 

2001
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:37,280
like angry. 
And you know, he still felt he 

2002
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:41,040
needed some retribution, but he 
still would just found it 

2003
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,560
fascinating that someone would 
behave this way. 

2004
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,160
It's like. 
Pulling the wings off a family 

2005
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,360
type. 
Fascinating. 

2006
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:50,400
Yeah, yeah, you're doing 
something cruel and, you know, 

2007
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:55,560
curious about the result and and
and, you know, but quickly, like

2008
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:58,240
whatever the result, kill this 
guy now, you know, you're still 

2009
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:01,400
being cruel in the end, but it's
still so different than, you 

2010
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:05,400
know, going off the rails 
yelling and temper and all. 

2011
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:09,640
It's it's in a way, I think it's
more ominous or sinister or 

2012
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,280
whatever. 
Another thought about Egg 

2013
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,960
because that that is something 
that has flickered through my 

2014
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:18,240
head is that if he had just when
it first started happening, just

2015
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:21,040
announced, you know, hey, I'm 
the Prince. 

2016
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:25,080
Stop that brother. 
It doesn't reveal himself to 

2017
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:28,800
Dunk, but it still stops. 
What's happening? 

2018
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,720
But I don't know if it stops. 
Everyone in the camp would then 

2019
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,000
not be talking about it, though 
if he reveals himself, Dunk 

2020
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,760
would find out. 
Like, there's a room full of 

2021
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:36,560
witnesses. 
Yeah. 

2022
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,360
All the crowd is there, yeah. 
And I don't know how much he's 

2023
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,000
trying to hide it from just Dunk
or from everyone. 

2024
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,280
And you know, how much of it is 
just like a literary it's, it's 

2025
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,080
a good moment from an 
entertainment perspective, which

2026
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,720
has a similar result. 
I guess the result is that the 

2027
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:55,200
thing that happens that maybe 
Egg didn't consider, and again 

2028
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:58,440
in the book it is explaining he 
didn't have time to run anywhere

2029
01:37:58,440 --> 01:38:01,320
else, that Dunk was just nearby 
and he was the one person he 

2030
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,520
knew we could go and we'd do the
right thing that. 

2031
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:08,600
But it puts Dunk in his position
now that because Dunk came in 

2032
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,280
and did the right thing, now 
he's probably going to be 

2033
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,560
killed. 
You know where if he just 

2034
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:17,040
revealed himself, it doesn't put
Duncan danger or if he goes to 

2035
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,560
get some of the guard or 
whatever else, you know, I, I, I

2036
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:21,480
can see. 
But he doesn't save Tanzel if he

2037
01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:23,760
doesn't right Like Gary. 
That's that was my point. 

2038
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,640
He can't. 
He can't save Tanzel by just 

2039
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,400
revealing himself without 
someone else there. 

2040
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:31,360
He needs Dunk or someone else 
large to stop Aryan. 

2041
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,440
I'm not sure. 
You might be right because even 

2042
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:38,160
if he does tow on Aryan to make 
car and then Aaron says yeah, 

2043
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,000
she was treasonous, she killed 
the dragon. 

2044
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,520
Why are they even doing this? 
It's his word versus his. 

2045
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,240
Yeah, yeah. 
Right, and even Egg wouldn't 

2046
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:47,120
necessarily argue. 
No, she didn't. 

2047
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,120
It's make car just gets decide 
what's treasonous or not and 

2048
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,360
probably will be on the side of 
his older son. 

2049
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,440
What's he going to anyway? 
One way the other. 

2050
01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:58,760
Aside from all that, like the 
the idea that this might be like

2051
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:03,320
a flaw, a plot point error or 
whatever kind, I still think 

2052
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:05,400
there's this other factor that's
not being considered. 

2053
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,640
Dunk his ex friend. 
They've just been hanging out 

2054
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,240
all these days and bonding and 
getting close and sharing their 

2055
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,160
time and they're both friends 
with Tansel. 

2056
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:17,320
Like I think, I don't think 
dunk, I don't think egg went 

2057
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,800
through this. 
If I do X, then Y if I do Y then

2058
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,280
D and then result to be blah 
blah. 

2059
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:24,480
But then he's like, Oh my God, I
got to go get dunk. 

2060
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,600
I just think he oh. 
Yeah, he's nine years old. 

2061
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,160
Get his friend. 
Yeah, it would be unrealistic 

2062
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,440
kind of thing. 
About the implications, he just 

2063
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,840
went and got his friend that he 
knew it would do the right thing

2064
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:38,520
and it, you know, turned out to 
be bad in a way for dunk. 

2065
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:41,520
I mean, obviously the whole 
story's got to go, but it most 

2066
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,400
likely was the only way to save 
10 cell. 

2067
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:46,280
And you saw like there was 
another person laying on the 

2068
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,600
ground, you know, I don't know, 
incapacitated and someone's 

2069
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,800
crying over them. 
He might have already punched or

2070
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:56,000
kicked or severely injured or 
maimed or even killed another 

2071
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,280
person already in this process. 
Never mind he just destroyed 

2072
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,840
their careers, right? 
All their puppets are kicked and

2073
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,200
burned and on the floor. 
Like, I mean, it's this. 

2074
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,200
There's trouble beyond her 
broken finger, you know what I 

2075
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:09,680
mean? 
Like it's this Aryan is just 

2076
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:11,800
wreaking havoc all over the 
place. 

2077
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,320
Yeah, let me add something to 
that, Sean, because this is this

2078
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,800
is an important point about 
Aryan as a character, which is 

2079
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:18,480
that he knows what he's doing 
with that. 

2080
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:21,240
He is trying to end a career. 
This is very intentional 

2081
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,040
cruelty. 
He did the same thing to Harold 

2082
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,000
Harding. 
He ended his jousting career, 

2083
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,160
that guy. 
I mean, well, as it turns out, 

2084
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,880
he didn't. 
But Harding will be killed in 

2085
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,880
the trial, so we don't know 
whether he would have been able 

2086
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,600
to continue his. 
He's like, I could still ride 

2087
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:36,680
with a broken leg. 
But anyway, that's what he was. 

2088
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:38,640
So maybe he failed to end his 
career, but that's what he's 

2089
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:39,920
trying to do. 
Like in the city, he's like, 

2090
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:41,200
yeah, I want to win. 
I want to show up. 

2091
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:45,760
I want to prove myself and and 
inspire fear, but I also want to

2092
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,880
do it in a way that is just 
really cruel and end this guy's 

2093
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,160
career like the maximum cruelty.
It's it's less cruel to kill the

2094
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:56,280
guy that it is to turn them into
some shadow of what they were. 

2095
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,920
He's exerting his authority is 
one thing that's happening here,

2096
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:01,760
and that's a one way. 
If you killed the guy, that's 

2097
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,640
one thing, but to end the guy's 
career, that should see the 

2098
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:06,760
power I have over. 
You and the fingers are so 

2099
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:08,800
important for your puppetry. 
It's like very precise. 

2100
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:12,080
And so, yeah, it's very, it's 
particularly evil. 

2101
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:13,720
And that's part of what sets 
Dunk off. 

2102
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,760
I wanted to say, yeah, I pulled 
it up here that you can't see 

2103
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:20,680
the IT is her uncle on the 
ground, which is which makes 

2104
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:24,560
sense because you think some a 
man and is going to come up and 

2105
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,040
try to brutalize his family 
member and and her male family 

2106
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:31,080
member, like any family member 
isn't going to stand up for her.

2107
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:34,880
He's part of the production. 
So it makes sense that Aryan 

2108
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,800
handled him first. 
And so that's probably her aunt 

2109
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,520
crying over him. 
You could imagine, right. 

2110
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:45,160
And then he turns to 10 cell to 
again cripple her and and stop 

2111
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:47,800
her in her livelihood and stop 
her from being able to do 

2112
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,680
puppetry. 
And now I'll read it and say 

2113
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:52,400
some more thoughts after. 
That yeah, here's the book 

2114
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,120
version of that. 
You could see just how close it 

2115
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:55,920
hews, just like so many other 
scenes. 

2116
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:01,040
One man at arms was dangling the
puppets of Florian and Jean Keel

2117
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,880
from his hands as another set 
them a fire with a torch. 

2118
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:09,160
Three more men were opening 
chests, spilling more puppets on

2119
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:13,200
the ground and stamping on them.
The dragon puppet was scattered 

2120
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:18,520
all about them, a broken wing 
here, its head there, its tail 

2121
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:22,560
in three pieces. 
And in the midst of it all stood

2122
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:27,400
Prince Aryan, resplendent in a 
red velvet doublet with long 

2123
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:32,120
dagged sleeves, twisting 
Tancell's arm in both hands. 

2124
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,040
She was on her knees, pleading 
with him. 

2125
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:39,240
Aryan ignored her. 
He forced open her hand and 

2126
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:44,160
seized one of her fingers. 
Dunk stood there stupidly, not 

2127
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:48,760
quite believing what he saw. 
Then he heard a crack, and 

2128
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:51,520
Tensell screamed. 
And here's where I like to say 

2129
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:57,240
that Peter Claffy did an amazing
job in this role as, like, 

2130
01:42:57,240 --> 01:43:00,040
showing, like, the beast 
unleashed, you know, his anger. 

2131
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:02,840
Yeah, he really does. 
He really looks so angry, and 

2132
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,880
he's so big, and he just tosses 
him. 

2133
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:08,480
And it's so satisfying to see 
him just, like, handily dispense

2134
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:12,800
of him. 
And then so scary to see Aryan 

2135
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,680
be able to, you know, almost 
just knock out all of his teeth 

2136
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:19,000
if Egg had just been a few 
moments later, right. 

2137
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:22,360
And so I thought that was just 
really good acting by Peter 

2138
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,200
Claffy, really good staging, 
really good directing in terms 

2139
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:28,520
of how they, like, did the 
zooming in kind of on a Dolly, 

2140
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:32,880
like to go into Aryan with 
Tansel, you know, and like, show

2141
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,880
this intensity. 
I thought the directing was very

2142
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:38,560
good, which is why I want you to
put some respect, Sean on Sarah 

2143
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,440
Adina Smith's name because she 
won. 

2144
01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:43,680
It was a director for Legion. 
You love Legion. 

2145
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,240
So that's that's she's has that 
under her belt. 

2146
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:48,920
She also directed the movie 
Buster's Malheart. 

2147
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:51,840
I don't know if you saw that 
Sean starred Rami Malek. 

2148
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:53,720
It was really good. 
I liked it. 

2149
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:57,120
I think she's a great director 
and I think she showed her chops

2150
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:58,880
here. 
I think she did a lot, a lot of 

2151
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:02,000
really cool shots from like the 
beginning with with Egg, like 

2152
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:06,240
they had a lot of like drone 
shots again, crane shots or like

2153
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,120
really high above and he looks 
so tiny. 

2154
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,600
I just think I think it's really
beautiful shots in this episode 

2155
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,840
in general. 
Can I say one other thing in 

2156
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,640
line with what you're talking 
about there, Shaya? 

2157
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:20,480
I appreciate that this didn't 
turn into some extended over the

2158
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:24,600
top 8 minute action scene of 
Dunk beaten up 38 dudes, right? 

2159
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:29,000
Three guys jumped on him and his
biggest, strongest Dunk is three

2160
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,880
grown men. 
It's hard to it's hard to, you 

2161
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,520
can't just shed that off. 
And it's so many movies and TV 

2162
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,120
shows. 
It would have taken 13 guys and 

2163
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,480
we're doing backflips and 
running all over the place. 

2164
01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:41,280
Whatever. 
It's a bunch of nonsense action.

2165
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,960
It's all pointless. 
This just showed us what it 

2166
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:47,200
needed to. 
We're entertained enough by the 

2167
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,760
conflict of the heart, right? 
The the dilemma that's been set 

2168
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:52,640
up, the person trying to do the 
right thing. 

2169
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:56,440
We don't need this over the top 
action to make this good. 

2170
01:44:56,440 --> 01:44:57,800
I'm so glad they didn't go 
there. 

2171
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,640
So many shows do and it upsets 
me so much. 

2172
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:01,960
I'm I'm loving a show and I'll 
give credit to Sarah Ford. 

2173
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,560
Hell yeah can. 
I also say the other favorite, 

2174
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,840
like editing, directing moment 
was this ending sequence, which 

2175
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,760
made Aziz and I laughed so hard 
every time we watched it. 

2176
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,120
The dramatic music. 
As it goes. 

2177
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:18,400
From each person's face, you 
know, it was, it was, it was 

2178
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,080
just such a perfect beat. 
I can't get enough of of it. 

2179
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:24,800
It goes, you know, and I love it
that Raymond's in there. 

2180
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:27,840
Yeah, Raymond runs in with 
Stefan and some. 

2181
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,560
Bars Raymond was ready. 
Just like the book. 

2182
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,280
The book says that Raymond runs 
in with men in arms and Stefan's

2183
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:34,680
with him. 
And yeah, they, they they 

2184
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:35,960
hardly, they don't draw 
attention to that. 

2185
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,720
But it's there, the book you. 
Know like that the last two 

2186
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:43,680
shots are of egg, right? 
Like it goes to cuts between 

2187
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:46,120
everyone a few times to a 
comedic effect and then it cuts 

2188
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:48,840
to egg. 
Egg looks right at Dunk. 

2189
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:52,520
Dunk looks at Egg and it does 
kind of a pull out of them and 

2190
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,520
it's like dramatic way, but 
really just showing like, what 

2191
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,880
will Dunk's reaction be like? 
That is what they're emphasizing

2192
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:03,120
here, which I, yeah, I just 
really great editing, directing,

2193
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:04,880
music does not like sound 
design. 

2194
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,080
Just all around. 
I loved this sequence. 

2195
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:09,440
I'm glad you brought it up 
because I'm so with you. 

2196
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:12,320
I loved it. 
It's it's it's especially in 

2197
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:15,640
context of other stuff we've 
seen from like, you know, these 

2198
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:20,840
maybe questionable opening 
sequences that they're I don't 

2199
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,200
know whether they're setting 
themself apart or adding a layer

2200
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:27,240
of absurdity or, you know, maybe
even maybe even a little bit 

2201
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:30,680
mocking the pretentiousness of 
the original Game of Thrones or 

2202
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:36,760
whatever that that this scene is
sort of self aware of its over 

2203
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:41,680
the top Dunk, dunk, Dunk big 
reveal, you know, and it that 

2204
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:44,200
the music and it cuts. 
It is sort of a standard thing 

2205
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,480
to do, but it's sort of a cliche
thing to do. 

2206
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:49,760
So they push the cliche to make 
it to the point of humor. 

2207
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:52,680
But also on top of all that, 
which I appreciate enough. 

2208
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,600
But given what the director 
Sarah said in the behind the 

2209
01:46:55,600 --> 01:47:00,840
scenes thing, they wanted this 
to be more of a focus on what 

2210
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:05,280
this means for Duncan eggs 
relationship then a big reveal, 

2211
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:07,640
especially because a high 
percent of people watching this 

2212
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,560
well already know we know the 
reveal, you know, and so we had 

2213
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,400
some it gives us a different 
thing to be excited about. 

2214
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:16,680
What's that we? 
Had on solid who were shocked 

2215
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:19,320
that we watched with our 
roommate and a friend. 

2216
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:24,800
They were both here and they go 
what he's are he's a Targaryen. 

2217
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,120
Yeah, they were. 
They were so surprised, I think.

2218
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,760
You knowing it, I, I, I tell me 
if those people go back and 

2219
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,280
rewatch it, because I think that
why I think it's something 

2220
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:38,360
Martin is so good at, is there's
a mystery there that you don't 

2221
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,280
even know that you're trying to 
figure out. 

2222
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,440
And it once it's revealed and 
you go back, you're like, oh, 

2223
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:45,760
they were just telegraphing it 
the whole way. 

2224
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:49,760
Yeah, I've heard. 
Theories from people who who 

2225
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,400
thought that maybe the the big 
mystery was that Egg was like 

2226
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:56,880
Brand and he was like prophetic 
and then he, you know, was like 

2227
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:01,160
old, he was like ancient, you 
know, people, some people 

2228
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,520
thought there was a mystery 
about Egg that went the other 

2229
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,800
direction. 
So even people who were maybe 

2230
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:09,880
had had some suspicion didn't 
necessarily think of it. 

2231
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:17,200
The last point here, for me 
anyway, is how well they 

2232
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:20,000
preserved a lot of these fun 
details, a lot of these minor 

2233
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,400
details too. 
I think obviously the important 

2234
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:25,360
things are the the conflict and 
the character stuff. 

2235
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:29,360
But again, I just appreciate how
much they kept intact from the 

2236
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:33,320
novella as well the implications
of what's going to come. 

2237
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:37,400
And if I I liked how Marion his 
one of his reactions is to stand

2238
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:40,160
up and go when he sees AG come 
in and start giving orders. 

2239
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:44,400
He's like it. 
It's almost emotional because he

2240
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,440
but he's not very emotional. 
So it's like that's the that's 

2241
01:48:48,440 --> 01:48:51,400
an even bigger surprise to him 
than than what Dunk did. 

2242
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:53,640
Perhaps potentially like, well, 
there's all sorts of surprising 

2243
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:54,760
things happening here. 
It was. 

2244
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,560
Kind of a scooby-doo. 
And he's like, I would have 

2245
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,720
gotten away with it too if it 
wasn't for her. 

2246
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,000
You pesky kid. 
There's one. 

2247
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:04,720
There's one little brother. 
A A, a point we've discussed in 

2248
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:08,880
the past, a concept is the kind 
of things that you should get 

2249
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:14,880
mad at, like having a internal 
priority for what matters most. 

2250
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:18,600
And the people who have the 
quote UN quote, best internal 

2251
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:23,000
priorities are people who get 
mad at the things that are the 

2252
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,720
worst and don't get caught up 
with things that are lesser. 

2253
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:28,040
And this is a good example of 
that. 

2254
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:33,200
Dunk is mad at what Aryan is 
doing and as a true knight 

2255
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:36,720
personality, no chance, no 
choice, right? 

2256
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:38,760
He has to do it. 
He doesn't even think about it 

2257
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:42,720
and this is just a a sign of 
what kind of person he is. 

2258
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:47,360
And it comes up again when he's 
about to get curb stomped and 

2259
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:51,760
lose all his teeth. 
Egg runs up and Dunk, it's like,

2260
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:53,760
no, don't. 
He's worried about Egg. 

2261
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,200
He's not worried about himself, 
even though he's about to have 

2262
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:57,360
something awful happen to 
himself. 

2263
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:00,320
And this is extremely, this 
really shines through as to what

2264
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:04,480
kind of person he is. 
And it makes Egg love Dunk even 

2265
01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:08,520
more, just as he's worried about
what Dunk thinks about him now. 

2266
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:11,600
All right, any final thoughts 
before our little outro here, 

2267
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,760
folks? 
And then our trivia and poll 

2268
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,440
reveals. 
I like the puppetry scenes. 

2269
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:22,120
I liked how they did the dragon 
blood and the dragon flame and 

2270
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:24,640
the BTS. 
They talk about how they used 

2271
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:28,240
kind of a real, it's not, it's 
kind of like a pollen, kind of 

2272
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:30,320
like a plant matter thing to do 
the fire. 

2273
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:33,640
And they thought that they were 
tickled by that because it was 

2274
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,920
very medieval of them. 
And I was tickled by it as well,

2275
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:39,840
that it was like more similar to
something they actually could 

2276
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:41,760
have done. 
And they showed about how they 

2277
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,160
made the dragon out of like a 
leather material on the outside.

2278
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:50,120
So I love the BTS and I was 
pretty pleased with Sermon of 

2279
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:52,160
the Mirror Shield and this big 
dragon. 

2280
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:54,720
A little prediction here we have
to make. 

2281
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:57,480
It's a hopeful prediction 
because if it sticks by the 

2282
01:50:57,480 --> 01:51:01,800
book, we won't see Tanzel again.
She just, she just cuts and 

2283
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,080
runs. 
Understandably, given what 

2284
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:08,040
happened, we're hoping for a 
farewell scene, even if Dunk 

2285
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,720
isn't a part of it. 
Just seeing her leave rather 

2286
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:12,440
than just we'd never see them 
again. 

2287
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,160
See her give the shield to 
Raymond? 

2288
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:16,920
I don't know. 
That's someone she knows. 

2289
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:18,760
Dunk knows. 
Oh that's true, They haven't 

2290
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,000
even given the shield yet. 
I mean she can just leave the 

2291
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,840
shield there and he comes and 
finds it but I would like to see

2292
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,760
give it to drunk or someone 
else. 

2293
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:28,920
Yeah, that might be how we see 
her send off. 

2294
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:31,440
Yeah. 
Anyway, we hope for something 

2295
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:35,080
like that. 
So my, I wanted to finish with 

2296
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:38,280
a, a point about songs. 
There are two songs in this one.

2297
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,920
Songs are obviously more a part 
of this show than perhaps other 

2298
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:42,720
ones. 
And that makes sense. 

2299
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:44,640
We're getting a more of a look 
at the common folk. 

2300
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:46,880
They're more likely to do some 
singing here and there. 

2301
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:51,320
It's, it's a little, you know, 
undignified for the Royals to do

2302
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:54,200
things like this, I suppose, and
a lot of the nobility. 

2303
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:58,320
Also in the other series, a lot 
of times we're seeing people in 

2304
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:02,600
like secret meetings or royal 
gatherings. 

2305
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,960
It's settings that aren't songs 
aren't as appropriate for where 

2306
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,680
this is constantly appropriate 
for song. 

2307
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:11,640
And and to be fair too, they did
remove some songs that could 

2308
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:13,840
have been there. 
Like for example, in the scene 

2309
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:18,280
where Arya and Gendry and Hot 
Pie get discovered by the 

2310
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:23,160
Brotherhood, it's it's Lem and 
Anne Guy and Tomos Evans are 

2311
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:26,520
singing as they stroll. 
And that's why R.E.M. them hide 

2312
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:28,880
because they hear the singing. 
I don't think they had the 

2313
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,920
singing in that in that show 
version of the song. 

2314
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:32,800
They certainly had some songs in
in both shows. 

2315
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:36,280
But it feels like the pace here 
is going to outstrip both shows 

2316
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:40,320
really quickly at this rate. 
And on that subject, here's 

2317
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,680
something I missed. 
There was a flashback scene from

2318
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:45,240
episode 2. 
You'll recognize what I'm 

2319
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:49,040
talking about as I read the 
quote from the novella only a 

2320
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:51,120
few days past. 
He had been singing as they rode

2321
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:54,000
the old song about going to Gull
Town to see a fair maid. 

2322
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:57,360
But instead of Gull Town, he'd 
sung up Ashford off to Ashford 

2323
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:00,400
to see the fair maid. 
Hey ho, hey ho, Dunk thought 

2324
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,880
miserably as he dug. 
So we remember that scene. 

2325
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:04,560
You have Sir Arlen singing Hey 
Ho. 

2326
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:06,680
Hey ho, come on, Dunk. 
He says, you know, sing along 

2327
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:09,000
with me. 
So I I wasn't one even I was 

2328
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:11,120
even thinking about as yet 
another singing moment. 

2329
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:13,360
But it's both in the book and 
the show. 

2330
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:16,800
And this makes me think about 
one of the biggest songs we have

2331
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:20,720
to look forward to that might if
it's done well, which so far 

2332
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:23,640
their track record's great. 
Like I said, there weren't a lot

2333
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:25,960
of songs in the originals, but 
some of the ones they did were 

2334
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,760
were absolute bangers. 
They nailed Rains of Castamere, 

2335
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:32,880
they nailed Jenny's song, and we
have 1000 eyes in one to look 

2336
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,840
forward to. 
That's a song in world song. 

2337
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:41,560
No one's no one's ever put it to
were to to tune in a way that I 

2338
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:43,600
thought was super memorable. 
Or maybe I haven't heard some of

2339
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,440
the versions that are out there.
But we're going to get an 

2340
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:50,200
official version not this year, 
but next year or the year after.

2341
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:51,600
And that's exciting to think 
about. 

2342
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:54,760
The future of music in the show 
is bright. 

2343
01:53:55,880 --> 01:54:00,440
Our trivia question, how old is 
Aryan here in the year 2 O 9? 

2344
01:54:00,440 --> 01:54:02,160
As I said, there's no precise 
answer. 

2345
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:04,800
It's a three-year range 3 
correct answers. 

2346
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:07,520
Those 3 correct answers are 1617
or 18. 

2347
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:10,520
Dunk himself is about 17. 
So yeah, it's interesting to 

2348
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:11,840
note that they're both the same 
age. 

2349
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:16,560
As for favorite moments, 
favorite moments? 

2350
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,200
What were your favorite Dunk and
Egg moments? 

2351
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:20,960
I should have changed one of the
poll options. 

2352
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:26,000
People did not know what Hello 
operator referred to and I still

2353
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,320
don't think it would have done 
much better, but it definitely 

2354
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:29,960
would have done a little bit 
better. 

2355
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:35,080
I think Aziz and I both thought 
that was everyone knew it, but 

2356
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:39,240
that is not true so my bad. 
Yeah, anyway, so Westeros, Hello

2357
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,160
Operator actually came in last 
in this poll. 

2358
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:45,480
A retirement plan got 24% 
breaking down 3 fingered Alice 

2359
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:48,320
was second with 30% and the 
breakfast sandwich plus making 

2360
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:51,840
plus the impressions of each 
other was first with 35%. 

2361
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:54,880
So there's no there was no slam 
dunk winner here, which we all 

2362
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,560
kind of predicted because all 
these scenes were good. 

2363
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,960
It's really hard to pick and you
all apparently feel similarly. 

2364
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:03,320
Appreciate the participation. 
I think it's unfair that 

2365
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:05,800
breakfast sandwich impressions 
won because it was 2. 

2366
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:07,560
Incredible. 
Scenes to put to. 

2367
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:09,640
One. 
So I'm not surprised that that 

2368
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,120
one won. 
And part of the reason I did 

2369
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,320
that is because I couldn't 
decide which one to cut. 

2370
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,160
I would have had to cut one of 
them because I could only do 4 

2371
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:17,480
choices and I was like ah I 
can't, I'm going to combine 

2372
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:18,760
those. 
Yeah, I would have cut 

2373
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:20,920
retirement plan. 
You can stay with me. 

2374
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:24,400
However, I clearly would have 
been wrong to cut that because 

2375
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:29,560
it was the 3rd and most. 
Answered and yeah OK, so we will

2376
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:33,680
be like I said don't forget the 
episode airs Thursday night 

2377
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:36,280
slash Friday very early morning.
So we will not be doing a 

2378
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:38,640
preview episode this week, but I
I presumably everything will be 

2379
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:41,320
back to normal the week after 
we'll be back on our regular 

2380
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:43,440
schedule. 
We have been re releasing our 

2381
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:47,120
Hedge Night episodes that 
include Sean, It's a a read 

2382
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:49,360
through. 
We did it several years ago and 

2383
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:50,760
those are releasing every 
Thursday. 

2384
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,680
They've been re mastered. 
They sound a lot better. 

2385
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:56,360
We have much better technology 
for editing than we had back 

2386
01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:59,200
when those were recorded and 
we're able to retroactively 

2387
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,400
apply some of that. 
So checked out the Hedge night 

2388
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,680
replays if or watch them the 
first time. 

2389
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:06,280
If you haven't seen them yet, 
question or. 

2390
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:07,560
Listen to them yet. 
Was this your? 

2391
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:09,560
This was mine and Aziz's 
favorite of the three? 

2392
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:11,240
Was it your favorite of the 
three, Sean? 

2393
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:13,360
What was your favorite? 
Of the three, this. 

2394
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:14,800
Episode. 
Was it your favorite of the 

2395
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,320
three or or? 
No, No, OK. 

2396
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:21,160
Sorry, I said, you know, I'm not
sure is what you're not saying 

2397
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:22,640
that's. 
Fine, I wanted a quick answer. 

2398
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:24,440
I don't want to get too far 
afield. 

2399
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:26,360
I just wanted to know if you had
a yes or no. 

2400
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,560
It is far the most excitement in
me. 

2401
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:30,760
I guess I'll say it, but that 
isn't necessarily what makes 

2402
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:33,200
something my favorite so. 
Yeah, cool. 

2403
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:34,200
You think about it a little 
more. 

2404
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:36,680
Super Chat from Jillsville sends
a sticker. 

2405
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:38,480
Appreciate that. 
Well, thank you to you as well. 

2406
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:40,040
And, or and, or. 
You're welcome. 

2407
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:42,480
Both really. 
We also have episodes on 

2408
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,400
Bloodraven, which I'm thinking 
about 'cause I'm wearing this 

2409
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:46,880
great Bloodraven shirt. 
So check those out if you are so

2410
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,040
inclined. 
You can very easily stay 

2411
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:53,080
immersed in this time period, 
this subject matter, by browsing

2412
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:55,080
our catalog, especially if you 
know where to look. 

2413
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,440
So we will see you all again 
very soon. 

2414
01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:01,120
Thank you for hanging out, thank
you for being a big part of this

2415
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:05,480
fandom and we are very much 
looking forward to what's next. 

2416
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This show just keeps delivering 
and we expect the second-half of

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01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:12,880
the season to be just as strong.
I have one last quick thing to 

2418
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:13,760
point out. 
Do it. 

2419
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:17,520
Robert Reisling when he was 
talking to Egg, I thought it was

2420
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,960
humorous how Robin, not Robert, 
start. 

2421
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:21,800
Yeah, of course you. 
Were thinking of sweet Robin. 

2422
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:24,560
No, I just, it's just funny. 
But yeah, Rob, Robin, go on. 

2423
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:27,920
I thought it was interesting, 
humorous how he referred to 

2424
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:33,000
himself not only in the third 
person but also as we do you 

2425
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,480
remember that which makes me 
think he might be part of the 

2426
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:38,240
pluribus hive. 
Of course you had to get that. 

2427
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:40,880
In I actually thought of one 
last thing too. 

2428
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:44,680
There was one small change from 
the five on five that didn't 

2429
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:47,600
pick up on until it was revealed
this episode, which is that in 

2430
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:51,000
the novel, Andrew Ashford and 
Robert Ashford lose in the first

2431
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:54,440
tilt, but they both do well. 
They both like their father is 

2432
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:57,320
proud of how they did. 
Robert loses to Lionel 

2433
01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,320
Baratheon. 
So like, Oh well, that's that 

2434
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:01,280
figures. 
And Andrew does really well 

2435
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:04,280
against Sir Tybalt Lannister. 
They changed it so that Andrew 

2436
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:05,680
wins against Thai bolt 
Lannister. 

2437
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:08,240
Otherwise he wouldn't have still
been jousting, right? 

2438
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:10,000
He would have been out of it. 
So they had to change that in 

2439
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,720
order to set up this other 
stuff, which again, we don't 

2440
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:12,520
know where they're going with 
that. 

2441
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:14,920
Very curious. 
One last idea on that is maybe 

2442
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:17,440
it's a, it will be revealed that
Dunk turned that down and that 

2443
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:20,600
will show his character and that
will people will respect that or

2444
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,680
something will go in his favor 
because of that. 

2445
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:25,720
Anyway, that's a lot of extra 
add-ons when we were trying to 

2446
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:28,200
say goodbye. 
So let's say goodbye for real. 

2447
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:32,520
Thanks to Bran for our wonderful
intro, Michael Klarfeld for the 

2448
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:35,720
maps that you see behind us and 
in many of our other episodes. 

2449
01:58:36,240 --> 01:58:38,680
And we'll see you next time. 
For more, you know what to do. 

2450
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:42,400
Until then, Valar, Reread us and
then want to throw in a Valar 

2451
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:43,560
rewatch? 
Us too. 

2452
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:33,760
Music.