Duncan Egg have a series of scenes of them being Duncan Egg
and then villainous things happen and then Duncan Egg have
more scenes of them being Duncan Egg and then Dunk learns the egg
he thought he knew as someone else entirely after some more
villainous moments. All that and more on this
episode of History of Westeros Podcast.
Hello and welcome everybody. Episode 3 is now in the books,
so to speak, and we're here to talk about it.
It's the Squire. Our breakdowns are every Monday
at six. A little bit of a difference
this week though. We're still here at 6:00 today
on Monday, but we will not be there at 5:30 on Friday for a
preview episode because of the Super Bowl.
The Super Bowl is this Sunday, and that means HBO is releasing
the episode early. It's gonna hit at 3:00 in the
morning on Friday. Is it 3 in the morning Saturday
or three in the morning? 3:00 in the morning, Friday
Eastern. In the morning like.
Yes, like as in. As in Thursday.
Night. Thursday night, yes.
So it'll in other words, be out before we even normally have our
review episode, and it's a bit too quick of a turn around for
us to do that all in this one week.
So we will get back to the normal schedule the week after I
presume, assuming everything else is back to normal on HB OS
end. But we still have our game
stream the six at Friday Duncan Egg game stream.
Sean, looks like not only do you have a drink, but you have a
cat. I do I I usually close the door
when I'm recording and I took a chance and didn't close it and
sure enough immediately cat in my lap.
I hope you guys can deal with that.
Which one's that? Is that Cora?
It's tough. There's tough there.
She is too much. What a good.
Girl purring purring on the audio.
Those are such sweet cats. They're like so affectionate.
I love it. They are, can I say real quick,
what can I try to, you know, it's in my notes here.
Whenever I take notes, I usually have like a little entry for,
you know, each scene and maybe a highlight moment, something I
kind of expected we'll talk about.
But sometimes I have maybe my own unique hot take or something
I'm really enthused about. And I, I put a little asterisk
next to those. I have more asterisks than
anything so far. So I feel like several different
things I'm excited to talk about.
Hell yeah. Yeah, me too.
This is my favorite episode so far.
The three pretty easily, and I will get to talk about it in
just a moment here. If you have questions for us, go
ahead and hit us up here live in the video or comment afterwards,
or hit us up at westeroshistory@gmail.com.
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We have a trivia question to start and then a poll, and then
we'll talk about our favorite moments and characters before
the analysis. The trivia question is how old
is Aryan? Aryan Targaryen in the year 2 O
9, which is the year we're in for both book and show.
We don't actually have a precise age.
I'll give you that caveat. So you have a three-year range
to guess within if you can guess his age within those three
years. So there's three correct answers
basically, and I will reveal it at the end, but it'll also come
up during the course of the episode.
Now here's our poll. YouTube, of course, only allows
for choices. So that was very difficult
because I made this poll. What were your favorite Dunkin
Egg moments? And there were so many and
that's part of why I was able to make a poll of it.
But it's just so hard to pick. Here is what we did.
Some of these aren't exactly the same scene.
Well, one of them isn't. The rest are.
They were just linked by what the topic was.
Anyway, the first choice is Westeros Hello Operator, which
is linked to the sewing scene. Then we have breakfast
sandwiches and them doing impressions of each other.
Those technically aren't the same scene, but they're very
much linked. Next we have Breaking Down 3
Fingered Alice, the analysis of that song.
And then we have the retirement plan scene talking about, you
know, raising peas and marrying the second most beautiful
daughter and all that stuff. And with the line, you know, I
could be quite happy in a place like this.
You are in a place like this, that line.
So that's really hard to choose from.
So we'll get to that in just a second.
Now, Sean, it's time for you to say what your favorite scene was
and then we'll follow up. There are a lot of great
contenders, but if I can pick one, it was maybe more of a
moment than a scene when Duncan's trying to get the goose
eggs and not the goose. And he's demonstrating and
Tansel walks by and he tries to say, hey, do you like goose
eggs? She's like, I'll have her shield
ready. She's kind of, you see her
smiling but a little weirded out.
And as they walk away, egg is like that was my favorite scene.
I loved breaking down the song Alice with Three Fingers.
I thought that was an amazing scene, not just because it was
hilarious. And it's the kind of thing like
we nerds love to do, like talk about songs and like breakdown
the lyrics. It's the kind of song that you
wouldn't think necessarily someone would do that with.
But it's more than that. It's not just comedy.
This is who Egg is. Egg thinks about the commoners.
He he talks to a horse in a way that's the opposite of how his
father taught him to do it. So he is very minded, unmindful
of these sort of things and he wants to know.
He's curious about these sort of things.
It's very much character building for him and it was
combined with some great comedy, which I think the show is doing
a lot of. But that was a particularly
excellent example of that. Oh, Shay's got it on screen
here. The Manfred and Lionel singing
Alice with Three Fingers and Your choice Shaya.
My favorite is the Westerosi Hello operator eggs.
Little little schoolyard rhyme. I always liked Miss Susie as a
rhyme. As a kid, I used to do the
little hand clapping game. So I was really tickled to to
see a version of it and a version that had such lore.
And that scene was kind of also part of the scene with Dunk
teaching Egg how to sew, which I really thought was a beautiful
character beat in terms of of Dunk threatening him and then
deciding to go the other way and he softens and then he just
teaches him something. And so it was just kind of
bundled together with like a really funny scene and a really
heartwarming scene. That's a great analysis.
I love that scene too. It's another example of comedy
combined with real character moments, real character
building, and in this case, lore.
Of course, the Alice with Three Fingers.
Maybe not so much lore in that one, unless you're really
interested in Alice with Three Fingers lore, in which case it's
got quite a few. I thought another theme of this
episode was the effect of parenting and how especially
Makar. Particularly Makar, the effect
of Makar's parenting. Daron is a big part of this
episode, even though he's not present because Makar is gone
searching for him. And then Aryan of course acts
differently when Makar isn't there.
So that's a big deal too because of these combination of factors.
But it's also Dunk being both a better father and a better
brother to Egg than he's had. Like, Can you imagine one of his
brothers teaching him to sew? Maybe one of his sisters would
now that I could see, but even that I'm not sure, you know.
Then he risks his father finding out and his father be like, I
don't do that, you know? All right, so let's talk about
favorite performance. Oh, yeah, go ahead.
You have a comment on that? A quick comment on each of your
favorite scenes. I wanted to say for Eggs kind of
breakdown of that song, especially considering another
moment in this episode. I bet you know, not to take away
from his cleverness and contemplating it all, but I bet
the egg heard at least a piece of his analysis there from
somewhere else, someone else, And I based that one on like it
is pretty high thoughts for such a young kid.
But also the way Raymond falls away later says I heard that one
bit from Stefan, like he had all his thoughts ready to go and he
started hearings. But you know, at least pieces of
that he heard probably the whole crowd, the whole everyone was
reacting in that moment to never mind conversations in the past.
I bet Egg is heard that song before heard people talk about
it. I don't think so.
I want to go out on the limb and say I strongly disagree.
Egg has never heard this particular song.
And this is just Egg, you know, self actualizing into a person.
Like because like growing up and taking like, like, you know,
reflecting, showing some like reflection on something.
I don't know how to put it, but like I think it shows how
intelligent and and advanced for his age he is.
I don't think he heard any of those things from someone else.
Yeah, I do want to clarify that even with my little theory, I
don't want to take away from his intelligence for him to hear
someone else with one of those thoughts retain it and think to
tell Dunk. And also I don't think all those
thoughts came from somewhere else, just a piece of it.
And then it spurred him to think out more.
Regardless of my my thought on the other scene was almost
exactly what you guys started to say is that Dunk, I think didn't
react the way Arlen would have. You know what I mean?
Dunk had this instinct to be mad at egg cloud him in the ear was
like, actually come here, let me teach you.
You know what I mean? And I maybe a little bit
probably Arlen every now and then did think a second time and
teach egg something or teach junk something.
But but yeah, I also do think that we're going to see maybe a
theme of like Junk's growth over don't being a better caregiver
than his caregiver was. Yeah, absolutely.
That's a good way to to frame it because I was focusing more on
Egg's side of the parenting where you're bringing up Sir
Arlen, which is a really good point.
Also, just the whole idea. I agree with that.
The sewing scene at that moment I think was super important.
That is kind of like when they really become Duncan AG to me
that if there's any moment where the the the tipping point
happens, it's that moment. But let's talk about our
favorite performances. Now.
We've got plenty more on all these topics throughout the
episode, but we're also excited to talk about so many things
about this particular episode because it was so good.
Sean, your favorite performance? It's it's kind of nuanced and
it, you know, again, there's sort of the low hanging fruit
because egg is stealing the show.
But but I'm going to say Aryan, I think that he did a good job
with what could have been very over the top.
You know what I mean? I think he's doing a good job of
being I don't know how to sinister, right?
He's clearly a villain, but he's not he's not going wild and
yelling And you know, he the things he's doing are, I don't
know, reserved control there. You know it.
It almost makes him more sinister when you realize he's
really thinking out what he's doing.
You know what I mean? He's not just wildly emotionally
reacting, he's calm and cool here and it almost makes it more
scary and more evil. I I totally agree.
I was going to say Aryan if you didn't or if Shaya didn't, so I
have more thoughts on him later, but I very much agree with what
you're saying there, Sean. What about you, Shaya?
I'll pick the low hanging fruit and egg, I suppose.
It was his episode. You know it was named the Squire
predominantly for him. Not entirely for him, right?
But I, I just thought it was a great showcase for him.
It showed him trying having a dog at spirit, as it were at the
very beginning with, with working with the horse with,
with Thunder, right. It showed a little bit of a
musical talent in his, in his rhyming.
No, but it also showed him looking really haunted and and a
dark edge to him. And when he's very scared by the
prophecy and by Aryan and, and, and some of that is, is the
makeup work as well, how they gave him those big eye bags
underneath, but just the general performance.
He really, they gave him really big range here.
Oh, at the very end when he's really commanding and he's like
a young royal, right. So I I just this is meant to be
his showcase if there ever was one, and he did a great job.
I said did you notice on that low hanging fruit that you
picked that there were some black hairs going out of it?
Don't might say that's weird now that he knows that he knows Egg
has. Silver hairs, yeah.
Exactly. More than one weird thing about
it. Yeah, right.
Yeah, I was going to say either Egg or Aryan if y'all didn't.
So we're very, we're very much linked here.
I'd say Egg, like if episode 1 was really Dunk's episode and
episode 3 is really Egg's episode.
If, if it's anyone's right, and I think that's a fairway to put
it, I'll say Raymond. He was the other Squire here.
I've been fond of him all season long.
I thought his scenes from this episode were very much in line
with the book, but they added a few parts and he acted them out
really well. They they expanded on it just a
little bit, but also kept it it kept the important parts to the
book and changed very little, just added some.
And yeah, so I've been fond of him all season.
He's the other Squire, and I'll pick him.
The episode begins with Egg waking up early to train.
He's staring at Duncan, and he's probably thinking about the
things that he was thinking about last episode, about
whether he's capable enough. But he certainly isn't daunted.
So the Squire titles in motion right away, and that's pretty
cool. Now, interesting point here.
We had our review episode, which not all y'all watch, but we
talked about what we thought the Squire would mean.
We certainly predicted AG and Raymond and I neglected to
consider that Dunk of course was a Squire till recently.
It's a kind of an obvious overlap.
Someone pointed that out and was like, hey, what about more stuff
about Dunk as a Squire? Which I thought, Oh yeah, of
course. But actually there really wasn't
here. It could have been an
opportunity for that, but it didn't happen.
So anyway. Yeah, you're right.
They could have had another parallel and they didn't show
any flashbacks of him at all in this one, but they did show a
couple of flashbacks. Yeah, they just weren't dunk.
Yeah. Yeah, I really love this opening
shot where it pans over from Dunk asleep to Egg waking up,
because it really puts the viewer in Egg's shoes.
You know, you're like, oh, we're following Egg, Dunk is asleep,
right? And then it has the editing of
the horse sound with Egg making the horse sound right to the
title card, which I thought thought was to very humorous
effect, which shows just like how how good the editing is here
for for humor especially, I think.
I want to follow up. I want to say I totally agree
with you, Shay. I really appreciated that
opening sequence and the editing made it.
But also I want to point out something I, I, I think was
probably intentional right at the beginning.
What we, you know, right beginning, it's on Dunk.
But as it moves over to Egg and he's on his side, you see, it's
hard to see. But the flicker of flame in his
eyes, which I don't think is accidental.
I think that they, they had to get that frame just right to get
that little orange reflection of the fire in his eyes.
I think, you know, symbolic of many potential things.
Yeah. That's a good catch.
I totally didn't notice that. I don't think a shade did
either. That's good.
I also want to say that I think this shot of Egg and Thunder in
the forest is one of my favorite shots in any of the three shows
ever. It's definitely wallpaper
worthy. I would I would struggle to name
a top 10, but I do think for me this this makes it and it's
simplicity and it's beauty. It's really stunning.
House of the Dragon has a few shots like this, but I'm not
sure they had one that was quite this good.
I got to agree. Let's talk about Thunder and
egg, or as I call it Thunder Egg, because there is a thing
called Thunder Egg Stones. And also we just talked about
stones, a different context. So one of my favorite bands is
is called Clutch and they have a song called Syncamlow, which
refers to Thunder Egg Stones. It's a real thing.
It's like a type of geode, and they're particularly common in
in Oregon. Anyway, that's just an aside.
So Egg's building a relationship with Thunder.
He's running about holding the heavy weapons of a knight and
Esquire and trying to get Thunder to get on his page with
the importance of their job. And they have that great
conversation. It's it's him revealing things
about his father and his own upbringing at the same time as
character building for himself and having this this warm moment
with the horse. The horse nodding was so, so
hilarious. It's just because the nods were
so big. It was like, yeah, we do not
like being ordered around. Thank you.
Yes. You know, I almost wondered they
were pushing that so hard. And to be clear, I don't think
it's going to like make any impact in the show or probably
the series or at least the books we know so far.
But were they trying to allude to some kind of skin changer
vibe? You know, is Egg have some
supernatural Targaryen power to communicate with animals?
You think there was? You know, OK, I don't think that
that really, but I did see another account, not
counterpoint, but related point to that in that someone brought
up that Makar said that because he knows to be aware of because
like Blood Raven and stuff. I also don't think that's why
Makar said that. But I like where your head is at
in both of those cases to keep that in mind that that is the
thing people can do. We know Blood Raven could do it.
You have to think that because Makar says things like horses
are Dumber than dogs, the only thing they understand is the
crop, which means riding crop. Of course, he probably doesn't
have very enlightened opinions about humans either.
You know what I mean? And the but egg does egg is
different. And that's part of a theme is
that egg hasn't actually been parented very much by Makar.
And of course his mother's dead, so he couldn't have been
parented a whole lot by her either.
And that's he's he's got a lot of his own ideas, but Dunk is
really filling in a lot of those gaps for him as well.
So I'm glad they both had to. They both had their own talking
to horses scenes and it goes really well for both of them.
Let's talk about Sir Robin Reisling was played by a man
named William Houston. I'm not sure I've ever seen him
before. Maybe I have.
He's clearly a veteran. He's not a doesn't seem like
he's just his first acting gig. I.
Think he looks just like Jefferson Hall or Thailand
Lannister in House of the Dragon.
He's a little bit older, yeah. Yeah, I really like that look.
Yeah, it's he's described in the book as a grizzled old night
with a salt and pepper beard and a missing eye.
Ding. OK, that's exactly what that man
is. So I like how Egg isn't the only
one up early. You know, they're do getting in
some work. He's walking around, you know,
just taking a walk. He doesn't have he they're both
barefoot, by the way. It's Egg is they talk about that
in the behind the scenes that Egg is barefoot for all those
scenes. But you can see Robin Reisling
walking up barefoot, too. Would you say they're both
competing for the Ross dog? Oh, the Ross.
Dragon. Yeah, as always Sunny would say.
So I love the question, what happened to your hair?
What happened to your eye sets up the quick flashback scene.
Also, it's another Sir Robin Rising is roughly the opposite
of Sir Robin from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
One guy does everything he can to avoid violence.
The other guys like, give me more, you know I'm right here
for it. The book versions of his and
most jousts weren't shown. My only real complaint about
this episode in the look, he does challenge Leo Longthorn and
they have a back and forth and he loses his helm and he still
doesn't yield without his helm, even though he's got one eye.
So they're like, whoa. So this is kind of the fuel for
the show version of him being the quote maddest knight in the
Seven Kingdoms, which that's not necessarily true in the novella,
but whatever it's not, it's not not true either.
So in the book if I may. If I remember.
Dunk was shocked that when he lost his helmet kept riding,
because that's how he had lost his eye, was from a splinter of
a Lance, right? And now he's got no helmet and
he's still going. Didn't he learn his lesson?
And Dunk wonders if it's bravery or or what?
It's the word he used, you know, foolhardy Polly.
Is it bravery or Polly? A little more, a little both
maybe. Yeah, another couple quick notes
I want to make before we get too far away from it.
I think that a crap pummel. What's the name of the
tournament master? Plumber.
Thank you.
I think he looks like Loris from House of the Dragon by the way.
Which is, if you agree with me at all, that would be 3
different people that look just like someone from another Game
of Thrones. Can I tell you what I was just
thinking, Sean? I think he looks like you before
you had your beard. Oh, plumber does.
Yeah, back back before you had your beard, I swear I could pull
up a picture of you where you'd see it so clearly.
When Egg was kind of running around a lot of it, he was like,
you know, prepping the horse and maybe practicing running and
handing off the Lance, but he was also doing his own kind of
moves, swinging around and stuff.
I swear to God, that is straight out of Avatar, that the
Airbender, those moves, those kind of swirls and his cloak and
that staff, the little ball kid. That's ANG doing Ang moves from
Avatar. Anyone who's seen it will know
exactly what I mean. Hanging egg.
I love that. And final thought, more of a
question really. I'm extra intrigued because I
did not realize that Robin didn't have shoes on there.
What the heck is he doing? Why is he walking around in his
field? Egg clearly trying to find
somewhere that was out of the way of Dunk, who tried to find
somewhere out of the way of the whole tournament.
And here comes this renowned night, walking by with no shoes
on, no horse, no. It's the 7th.
They they wanted him. They put him there so that he
would cross path. Think about Sept and Maribald in
the in the main novels, he walks barefoot everywhere.
And Baylor walks barefoot to Dorn from King's Landing.
So this is smaller scale compared to that.
Yeah, he got a little straight and the and the hornfoot tribes
don't wear shoes and they live beyond the wall.
They're crazy. Yeah, but I think the the
commonality would be to the religious figure is what you
drop them up. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean
is that they are the a trait of someone who is very fervent in
their religion, right. The USU all, all comforts and,
and I think that's, that's where he's coming from with it.
I I think that's accurate. Yeah, I like that.
He I I love this. He has my favorite single line
of the episode. Well, second favorite, my
favorite line is the whole lamb bone, as it were.
But my second favorite line is when he says you're the maddest
knight in this in the realm. And he goes, if it is I, we are
a vessel for the warrior. If it is madness bid, it's
madness delivered. He's saying I'm not mad.
I'm a vessel for the warrior. If the warrior tells me to be
mad, then that's what I got to do.
It's not my choice. I have.
Yeah. So that's amazing.
I love that. And this continues the character
development of characters who are part of the seven that are
not necessarily all that developed in the novel.
So it's a good choice for them to flesh them out anymore.
And I think the perfect two to work on is Robin Reisling and
Sir Lionel, which is already in underway.
We talked about that. But for Robin's case in the
Seven trial, Egg just runs over and gets him and he joins.
It's simple as that. There's nothing more to it.
So I don't know. I wouldn't say that's
unsatisfying, but it's not the most clever connection George RR
Martin's ever written. So having him develop more makes
so much sense. And the first thing he says is
we'll judge you fairly. He's talking about judgement.
The whole thing is he trial by 7, the judgement of the Seven.
He thinks he's the warrior Incarnate or the warrior of a
vessel for the war. How could he not participate in
the trial? He thinks he's a vessel for the
war. It's like, oh, this is where I
belong. I, I love this for all the
things you're saying, because this scene took maybe one
minute, but it does so much to, to later on justify this guy
joining Dunk 7, right? And, and it, it's, it's, it's
very elegant storytelling because it also gives us like a
cool little action moment in the middle of what starts off as
maybe what people might think of a slow pace.
So, you know, I don't know from a entertainment standpoint, but
also also it does one other bit of development, something that
has been happening consistently. But I caught here and this thing
wasn't in the book. And maybe I've been wondering a
little bit, maybe you guys can help me how much has happened in
the book? Egg almost never answers
questions. He always answers with new
questions when he's like, did you steal that horse?
You know, tell me the truth and I'll be fair.
And he's like, well, it's not stealing if you mean to return
it. He didn't say he stole it or
not, you know, like he could when Dunk asked, are you an
orphan, Eggs? Like, are you an orphan?
Like he rarely answers questions directly.
He he states another fact or asks a different question back
or whatever. I'm trying to remember how much
that happened in a book, but one or the other.
This scene is just another example of Egg doing that.
This seemed to do a lot of work for how short it was, you know?
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And and one last bit that could
help bring him around is AG can argue we can still have AG go
run and get him. That could still be the person
he recruits and he can say, Hey, you were not only is Sir Robin
inclined probably already, but he can be like, hey, the seven
are the reason we met out in the woods.
You know, like that was fate. That was that was destined for
you to do that because he goes, I've never heard of Sir Duncan
the tall and he goes, you will, you will, and he's like, see,
you will like look at that. It's happening just as the gods
planned, right. It's also great for him too,
because in the book, if it goes the same, which I assume it
will, he gets paired up against Deron in the in the initial
joust, the initial tilt for the trial by 7.
So he gets the by far the easiest pairing.
Deron just falls off immediately and lays there in the mud.
On Lord Madness to me. Put the two mad guys against
each other, right? Shout out to Hey Dom Tartaglia,
A Folkwise podcast, who says the best part of this show is going
to be every time there's a one eyed man, I'm going to shout
Blood Raven. I've got a Blood Raven shirt on
too. Shout out to our friend Patrick
Doherty who made this one. It says Blood Raven shot first.
Obviously Star Wars reference. I just want to point out shirts.
I'm also wearing a shirt. It's an Avatar shirt.
It's a tree that you might juxtapose with the oak tree that
don't put in his helmet. Part of why I wore it or not in
his helmet shield, but it is also from Avatar.
Elm. Let's talk Westeros.
Hello, operator Shaya's favorite of the a Dunkin Egg moments.
I love this one too. He he's Dunk is annoyed when Egg
returns from training. He's like, why you should tell
me if you go off. But part of that is, is, is
Dunk's nerves. He's very anxious about going
into the tilt, which they're disconnected on because Egg
already knows he's not tilting today.
And Dunk, they haven't had that conversation yet.
That comes just after the song, which is which is great.
So they sew, so they're not ironborn.
Clearly that crosses that off the list.
You later find out he's Targaryen, but it's important to
note that he's not Ironborn. Just kidding.
Anyway, the song is hilarious. Ashay is going to read it for us
because she loves it even more than I do, which is saying a lot
because I was just so enamored with this.
But more thoughts on it after we hear the whole thing.
Prince Baylor was the first born.
Prince Makar sprang out last. Damon was the bastard, so they
kicked his bastard. Grasses.
Green in summer, green grass I adore.
But grass is red all over. When you kill a rebel, horses
die in battle. This battle was the front.
Black Fire's not a trueborn. He came from the wrong country,
was in peril. The anvil was a rock.
The hammer smashed the bastard with his giant veiny host of
Dorn or Spearman. I love that end so much where he
just trails. It's so very fitting.
Of course, kids, they would, there would be songs about the
black fires and being villainous and losers and bastards and all
that. And especially the Targaryen
children who were very close to the family that I actually
fought against. I mean, Makar Makar is the
hammer of the anvil rather. So that's his own father in the
song. So of course he's going to be
very attached to this idea. Now let's jump to the sworn
sword for a few takes on this because it's pretty neat how
this connects to some things that he says and maybe we'll say
in season 2. He says, for example, the hammer
and the anvil. The old man's mustache gave a
twitch. The singers leave out much and
more. Damon was the warrior himself
that day, right? So he's take telling his side of
the story. Now, Sir Robin Reisling might
have thoughts on that last part. Now who?
Who was the warrior that I'm the war now?
The next one from Sir Eustis is the singers can go on about
their hammer and their anvil, Sir.
But it was the kinslayer who turned the tide with a white
arrow in a black spell. He rules us now as well, make no
mistake. So yeah, like he's thinking of
songs like this when he refers to these tales.
The things that are 1 sided, like these are very, very
specific takes from one side. They're not, they're not down
the middle. They're not neutral specifically
as well. He mentions that Bloodraven made
it illegal to sing similar songs about the Blackfire, so you can
only sing the Targaryen ones. So you're pretty hardcore about
that. You can't even sing their songs.
There's also a a specific memory Sir Eustace has of the host of
Dorner Spearman coming like screaming like their the noise
they made as they hit the battlefield was very memorable
to him and how they filled the air with their Spears.
So yeah, this is touching on some.
As usual, It's it's light hearted, but it's referring to
some pretty serious things. You know, if someone did sing
one of those songs, I wonder if Blood Raven would have snapped
their finger. Guy Yikes.
Yeah. Or worse, or snapped their
tongue or something. I don't know.
So after the song is over, he's like, go get my armor.
I'm ready for the. He's like, well, first of all,
you don't have your shield. And he's like, well, yeah, we'll
collect it on the way. Clearly hadn't thought about
that. But then he tells him, you know,
you can't do that. You know, they're it's only the
highborn folks that can challenge people today.
And he's like, then why have I been throwing up all morning?
It's a mystery. And then of course, that leads
to like, Hey, we can have a Full breakfast now that we're not.
So that's that opens up the whole day for them to do Dunkin
egg things all day long, Just hang out with each other, have
all these great conversations, which big perhaps the most, the
biggest reason why this episode was so good.
So let's get into those specifics.
Then it's going to, of course, be tested by the reveal of who
Egg actually is. You know, there's been a couple
of times where Dunk has gotten mad at him.
And and as you said, Sean, he he starts to react maybe the way
Sir Arlen would. But then he backs down and he's
like, OK, I shouldn't have reacted like that.
This is a teaching moment. You know, this is something I
should, you know, this isn't a time for me to yell at you and
curse at you. I should explain what you did
wrong. And, you know, you learn from
it. It won't be quite so easy this
time with the reveal of his person, of his, of his ancestry.
But we're not, we're not avoiding spoilers.
So we know that's basically going to work out.
Watching the process, though, is amazing because these two actors
are so good at it. So yeah, some some the breakfast
sandwich thing. Very relatable.
A different kind of egg moment. How those goose eggs were huge
and boy, Dexter just, he had that.
I'm so hungry. I can't wait.
Wait to eat this look just down pat.
I thought it was so cute that they did have each of them break
their own egg, which kind of like made me start thinking how
many times in his life has egg cooked?
You know, has he cooked for himself or, or cooked like a, a
Big Breakfast like this, even if he had to eat some meals on his
own to get to, to dunk, right? I, I doubt he was cooking much.
And so anyways, it was just kind of cute to think that junk was
teaching him how to sew. He was teaching him how to cook.
I, it was really heartwarming. And as, as an egg lover myself,
I have to say these are some of the most beautiful eggs I've
ever seen. And I want to know if anyone in
the chat has ever eaten a goose egg or any other really huge egg
like this. An ostrich egg maybe?
Can I say it real quick as you had it to your point there, I do
appreciate that we're seeing, you know, this hedge night, this
true night, you know, whatever term you want to use for dunk
here, doing things that you wouldn't normally think of a
night doing, right, like cooking his food and sewing in patches
and stuff like that, Things that maybe even you think of
something for a maiden to do. But it's it's again, kind of
challenging. What is a real night?
What is a true night? You know, even in my mind, I
still think of nights as being like shining armor with horses
living in castles. And maybe that's the difference
between a knight and a hedge knight, the hedge Knights out
there slipping under the stars and ragged clothes, that he's
still ostensibly, you know, honorable and brave and tough
and everything, but he doesn't have a castle full of servants
polishing up his sword and cleaning his boots and cooking
his meals. He's got to do everything on his
own. And eggs seen as I think is good
for him. And I don't know, I I love this
scene in a million ways. Mostly it's centered around
their bonding, but it is also neat to see the reality of
Dunk's life of a hedge night's life.
Yeah, there's a lot that gets omitted from details that just
you can't necessarily talk about or it gets you could bog down
with it. But yeah, it's a it's a hard.
There's a lot of little things that go into the day-to-day
life. We saw that a lot in the first
episode with them cleaning is clothing and, you know, beating
it on the rock and all this other stuff.
It reminds me of a scene in, in a book I've mentioned a few
times in the past on this show is the bright Sword where
there's a character, he's got all his nightly gear on his
armor and he fights somebody, you know, and, and this guy gets
a hit in on his arm and he's wearing armor, but it like a
piece of a fastener breaks off and flies away into the grass.
And he's like, man, now my gauntlet's not going to stick on
properly. And he's like, I'll never find
that fastener, you know, and how it's going to be really hard to
replace that. So like, yeah, little things
like that. This is an example of that kind
of thing where you're getting down into the nitty gritty and
seeing the lifestyle. But they're doing it so well,
like that this is on top of that.
It isn't just that they're doing it.
They're doing such a great job of it.
What does egg have against lambs?
He rode in that cart, remember? He rode in the cart on the way
there. So he had to smell them and.
Yeah, it was a whole day's riding with them.
Yeah, yeah. So that is actually a good
transition there, Sean. We're going to talk about the
sitting on the hell scene together.
You know, you are in a place like this that that scene.
So I. Had something about the
breakfast sandwich. Sequence real.
Quick just about how it pertains to Tansel, why Tansel not reply
to him? What's up with that?
He goes do you like goose eggs and she has she just totally
ignores the question. I'm shocked by that.
I, I, I don't know about her anymore if she can't even answer
a simple egg question. All right.
Everyone turns on Tanzel. I had AI had a similar thought
by the way she was so dismissive of him, but when I watched it
again as she approached him, she was kind of smiling and maybe
kind of nervous about making eye contact.
She. Was smiling so say something.
Yes, no one word. I I do think it was awkward, but
I think it was awkward. I think that was just it, but it
was. Funny.
Yes, it's very funny. Exactly it is.
So sitting on the hill together, we have This is the most,
perhaps the most sincere of the Dunkin Egg scenes where he talks
about what he's going to do, like his life goals.
He's like, after I win a great campaign for my Lord, I'm going
to get a plot of land and raise. So his sort of humble goals
there. I mean, considering who he's a
royal, they're especially humble, but they're modest as
well, for the most part. And they're and they're
appropriate for like a young boy, like dreaming of his
future. And but it's just again, it's
just so cute the way he's like, Oh no, it was like and the
second most beautiful daughter and they're like egg dunks face
is like he's confused. Genuinely.
He was like second most beautiful.
Why would you say that? He's like, well, you've already
married his most beautiful, right, Sir?
And he's like, and the look he gets on his face when he hears
egg say that is the most like, oh, this kids the best.
I love this kid so much, mommy. Like he just the acting in that
moment is so good. And that leads to the he's like,
and maybe even lambs F your lambs.
You know, he says that his delivery on that is so good.
By the way, in the behind the scenes, Dexter says he really
doesn't like like cursing. He really does not like cursing.
But it's his job, yeah. He does it because it's his job.
That's why I posted the clip on our history, restaurants, TikTok
and Instagram. Yeah, he is just he this kid
really was born to be a he hatched.
I don't think he was born, I think he hatched.
So just running it. Do you have y'all have takes on
this particular scene? I just wanted to point out that
even though Dunk gets cut off when he's telling him, you know,
that that yes, he can stay with him if it all works out.
You know, he Egg, I think could still tell it was a it was a
yes, he was Dunk and daunting. Enough was said.
Egg isn't a fool. I I just it gets cut off.
But before dunk knew who egg was, he said stay with me.
And I think that's significant to egg.
Absolutely. There's also the scene with the
fortune teller, which we'll discuss separately.
The discussion of Alice, 3 fingered Alice, we'll discuss
that separately. Speaking in each other's voices,
teasing each other. We don't have a whole lot to say
about that other than it's another great moment between
them, great acting, great fun which comes while they're
watching. Jazz.
Yeah, look at that smile. He, we, he's, he just loves
them. When I named my favorite scene,
it really may be more of a moment when Eddie's like, you
know, when he's kind of 4110. So this was my runner up moment
here. I was like, oh, what I do is eat
fancy food and grapes. They're all jabs at each other.
I I loved it. It was really good it.
Was funny how Dunk made his voice high to mock Egg and Egg
made his voice low to mock Dunk. It was, it was really great.
I don't know, writing, acting, directing, whatever it was, I
loved it. Yes, so good, yeah.
And of course, it's important to get a lot of these moments in
before it gets a bit darker, which that happens in this
episode. It gets darker.
So it's not like this is coming far in the future.
No, it's coming just right away. Yeah, they're watching the joust
was really fun. But yeah, it gets in, it gets
interrupted like a Shaya said by plumber coming up, which brings
us a non book scene, though it does relate to a scene in the
mystery night, which this might be partial set up for, But also
I'm not entirely sure where they're going with it.
However, that said, if this was House of the Dragon or Game of
Thrones, I would probably just be like, yeah, they're just they
got some idea. They're just doing something.
It's not necessarily bad, but I don't know what they're doing
here. But they've done such a good job
and have seemed to be stubborn about sticking to the novel with
this as much as possible that I figure it ties into something.
I figured this is expanding on something else or attached to
something else rather than just something cut from whole cloth
differently that they've added on.
I thought about it a little bit too.
I thought it was really interesting.
And, you know, my superficial thought is, yeah, they're just
setting up future seasons of, you know, the maybe even, you
know, aside from that planting a seed in our in our audience's
mind, it there's stuff going on behind the scenes.
It may be Dunk or the audience or Egg even is a little naive
too. But and I I do hope I'm a little
worried that this does create a whole new plot line.
It might disrupt what we're, I don't know, expecting.
I I so far the things they've done different have been good,
appropriate and good, and I have no real complaints.
But but this seems like a divergent that might be enough
that I'm worried about. So I'm hoping it's just A,
setting up future seasons B. It's sort of a red herring, you
know what I mean? They're really it.
It does a lot to disguise the egg reveal.
Does that make sense? They really feel like we're on a
certain track of what's going to happen next.
You know, if you haven't read the book, you're thinking, OK,
dunks going to pick this Andrew guy, right?
We're never you're going to get, you're never going to enter the
list at all. So like I, I'm hoping it's sort
of a little bit of a red herring, but we'll see.
Maybe an orange herring for the Ashfords.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a milder version of what I
just said about the darker side of things.
You know, it's the darker side of, of knighthood and
tournaments. It's clearly dishonorable and
dishonest. But ripping off a bookie is
definitely not as bad as what Aryan does, for example.
Like, there's, it's there's, there's over the line
dishonorable, but there's definitely proportion here.
And this is pretty mild as far as things go, as far as things
are definitely dishonorable. But Dunk is still like
immediately turned off by it, which is that's a good thing.
Although he does consider it. He even in the tent with
Raymond, he's still thinking about doing it because he's
desperate. And that's that's another tough
situation he's in. He's like, well, do I really
want to risk losing everything? Like I wouldn't have egg or my
horses Like it's a lot. So it is very tempting.
I mean, that's what Plummer's saying too Is like, hey, if all
things were even you, you, you do, you could win, like you
could deserve it, right? But it's not even you are you
are at a disadvantage as compared to everyone else here,
right? And so this will put you at a
more even level with everyone else.
This is basically just like, you know, adding a handicap in here
for you, right? Yeah, yeah.
That's another reason it's tempting it.
This is so, you know, even our suspicious surrounding a scene,
I still like it because it's I don't know where they might be
going with it, but it's so interesting because they're not
making it like Dunk just has to do what he's going to do anyway,
you know what I mean? They're they're on some level,
maybe plumber's kind of steering him to make this particular
challenge when he enters the lists.
But Dunk plans on winning anyway.
Like it's not like he's asking Dunk to throw the, the joust.
He's asking Dunk just do the thing.
Just go win like you were going to anyway.
And it's almost in a way honorable what plumber is doing,
letting him in on the the scenario.
He's like, wait, let me be honest with you about something
here. There's an and, and also like
you said, dunk is considered because there is a stick and a
carrot here. There's like, you want to win
and you'll get extra. If you win and you don't want to
lose, you lose everything. We're just asking to do what
you're going to do anyway. Dunk feels like he won't have
earned it if he knows the other guy's going to throw it.
But I, I, Yeah. Anyway, it's so interesting.
Dunk definitely has this instinct to do the right thing,
but it also shows that he isn't some like, I don't know.
Goody 2 shoes or whatever. He still has some sense of
reality, yeah. Exactly right.
And it is there. I also have this other concept
in my mind that I think about the.
I think it's centered around the idea of like theft, that like
the closer you are to starvation, I think morality
might be on like a sort of a sliding scale.
Like if you're filthy rich, what business do you have stealing?
Why in the world would a billionaire steal money, right?
But if you're starving, if your. Childhood of.
Of course, yeah, of course you're going to steal an apple
or bread and, you know, maybe even whatever laws are around
it. Most people, if you're watching
a movie and the hero was destitute and so would you steal
my backup? Brat, even.
So, and Dunk is on that level where, you know, he, you know,
he's not exactly starving to death, but he's about to put him
in position to, you know, put himself in position of where he
might be started at, where his horse, he knows what might
happen to his horse, you know, and and he's concerned about the
himself and the people he cares about at this point.
He's not even starting to think about Dunk or Egg rather.
So, you know, this prospect. And and you know, if he did, I
can't hardly believe it. But if he did, why about being a
knight in the first place? Then he's on a slippery slope of
following that up with another, what you would think of at
least, as you know, this honorable thing.
Anyways, it is interesting that he definitely has this instinct
to do the right thing, which we see over and over again, even to
his detriment. But he doesn't.
But he does it. But he does have temptation,
right? He, he, he.
It's almost like the it's. Kind of Dunk story is a lot
about temptation, right? Book after book he deals with
with temptation in various forms.
And it's, it's kind of like the idea of, of being brave, right?
If you're not scared of something in the 1st place, it's
not really brave to face it. So if he, if these things aren't
tempting, it's not as honorable or disciplined or whatever it is
to not give in to the temptation.
It's not a challenge. It's not.
Something he's overcome if it's not, well, if it's not a
challenge, yeah. Can I say something about this
shot here beforehand when when dunk says, oh, I don't have any
money, you know, and plumber's just like, oh, you sweet summer
child, it's. Like, as shocking as that may
be. Really good acting from that
guy. I, I loved that beat and then I
really liked the editing beat again for comedy.
A flashback when Dunk thinks back to Ashford.
Sir Andrew, yes, Sir Andrew. And it's just like 1 brief flash
and then it just has Dunk's face as he like, thinks about.
He's a deaf Lance, you know? He's being political here,
though. Yeah, right.
And it's so funny. It's very effective.
He's being a little bit political here 'cause he knows
this is a man who works for Lord Ashford.
And the implication though, with that joust, it's we see that
scene twice. We see a longer version of of of
Andro knocking someone down. But it's a very dishonorable
moment. Look at Andro is charging this
guy who's barely ready. The guy has not even started
charging yet. He doesn't have his Lance in
hand. And and Andrew just levels him.
You know, this, this appears to be Sir Samwell Stokeworth, by
the way. That's our pretty sure who that
is. Looks like a little lamb inside
a cup there which is the Stokeworth have a chalice and a
lamb as part of their. Yeah, the Stokeworth sigil is a
lamb, a white lamb on a green background holding a gold
chalice, and this seems to be a gold chalice with the white lamb
on a green background. So it does seem to be
Stokeworth, maybe just a slight, you know, they're a different
variant. Maybe this Stokeworth is in
fact, you know, has his own personal sigil, right?
Like how we see that personal sigils exist.
Even Aryan Bright Flame himself has his own like personal
variant. So that's what I think.
This is what we're seeing here. Absolutely.
And then he has it on his helmet too, which is really neat.
I don't know if you have that shot too, but his helmet is also
the shape of this lamb and a cup.
It's pretty cool and it's a good example of we really need to see
all these armors, you know, back the the, the behind the scenes
to see all these designs and everything we got.
At some point they'll all come out and we'll talk about that.
That flashback there when, you know, I wondered about that
moment too. Not, and probably still, at
least, you know, like most things, dishonorable isn't black
or white. It's not just dishonorable or
not dishonorable. There's like a range in between,
right? I think per the rules of the
tournament, I think that's even maybe part of what they're
trying to show us here. I It's partly that that guy's
not ready, but it's partly that guy and or his squire's fault
that he's not ready. Yeah, I think that came across.
Turned around and Andrew was just quicker and better prepared
to get back down faster than that other guy's still trying to
turn and get his Lance. And hey, you're not ready.
I'm going to get you. I think you should have been
ready, you know? Like, it is possible that the
more honorable thing would have been to hold on a minute or
maybe to not, I don't know. I mean, he could have like hit
him in the head or killed his whore.
There's certainly more dishonorable things he could
have done, but I feel like he's within the rules of the
tournament. It's oh, yeah, it's definitely
within the rules. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
Know. I agree within the rules, but
that the point is that they're showing a dishonorable moment
right before proposing that this guy's going to be part of
cheating. So it's already it's it's it's
like a one second character building for Sir Andrew, which
is they've, they're very, as we've said and shown.
It's been very efficient how they've done that throughout.
So I know there's also my favorite line of the scene
perhaps is mind your pride, Sir Duncan.
You know, that's, that's the the very efficient, succinct
decision that it comes down to. It's like, is your pride?
Is it, is it pride or honor? Which is it?
Or is it, you know, make sure you're separating them?
And as gross as his mouth sounds are, they did something pretty
funny with the scene when he says Sir Duncan a moment he
Hawks and then they cut to them in the forest and then he spits.
It's like the split. The good splitting.
Segue, which continues the pattern of them doing very
silly, subtle things with with him, like how he was dunking his
bread in his cup right when Dunk said his name was Dunk.
So anyway, let's talk about the joust.
I appreciated how they kept showing Baylor to get his
reactions like good. His acting was very effective
with just his looks on his face and and they gave him a little
fidget. He was fidgeting with his ring a
lot, which I thought was a very human touch to add.
Very Allison. That's next.
We're going to see him biting his nails.
That's right. And look at Lord Ashford, he's
even looking at it. It made that joke because of
House of the Dragon the show, but actually in the books
Rainiera has that trait right. Like they specifically mentioned
that Rainiera does that with her her.
Ring. You can see it in the picture
here. Ashford is looking at him do do
that with his hands. He's like watching him fidget,
so it's like they're drawing extra attention to it.
Baylor is just like wincing and cringing the whole time he sees
Airy and he's like, uh, this guy, he's a stain on my house.
I hate this guy. Yeah.
Right. He's like, I hate him.
Sailors who reacted to Aryan much like we reacted to Joffrey
watching Game of Thrones, Like, oh, what's it gonna do now?
What's it gonna be this? Time so we we have a shot that
we've been seeing since the trailers the early trailers and
this is the book version of this scene it's you can see how well
it copies the the show copies it nicely quote.
A few feet away, the young Prince sat at ease in a raised
camp chair before his great black tent.
His helm was off. He had dark hair like his
father, but a bright streak ran through it.
A serving man brought him a silver goblet, and he took a
sip. Water if he is wise, Dunk
thought. Wine, if not, and I also want to
share that there's this shot of him of the same moment from Gary
Gianni, the Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which is just spot on.
I think you'll agree with the depiction here.
That is awesome. Yeah.
Good job, Gary Gianni. Gary Gianni doesn't miss.
So here's something interesting about this moment.
I wrote in our notes that he seems to maybe have that goblet
but not the silver streak in his hair.
But A Shaya corrected me, he does have the silver streak, you
just can't see it from here. Here I'm pulling up the picture,
you can see it better right here and closer right there.
Good job. They just weirdly haven't shown
us that part of his head really in focus.
But he does have a silver streak for sure.
Confirmed. So there's a little bit of a
longer introduction here where he makes eye contact with
Baylor, and Baylor kind of holds it for a minute before giving
his nod. That's a slightly different
moment from the book, the book and the book Aryan just gives
him. It's described as the a nod
that's so brief and subtle that it's hardly there, you know?
Yeah. Perfunctory.
Yes, you're right. Yeah.
So this is a a slight difference, but it gets the same
point across. I think it adds a little.
It gives Baylor a chance to have some emotion in the moment too.
Then Aryan looks really cool, but he is so extra.
It's so fitting with how he's described Later.
Raymond calls him Vayne. And this is, I mean, this is a,
he is very extra. As cool as it looks, it's so
extra. He's got all this bling and
imagery and heraldry. And the way they described it is
he actually, they tried a bunch of different dragon imagery for
the face and they realized that the most scary thing was just
his human face attached to all that like a a man dragon.
And they actually scanned Finn Bennett's face to make it sort
of match. So like a, a 3D printing or
whatever. Even his Lance is, is gold
tipped apparently like that, which is the same as they
described it in in the novel. It's it's stripes of red, orange
and yellow. So they they got that detail in
there as well. Great job.
Even his lances are extra. He's also cosplaying Shadow the
Hedgehog here as. You'll see.
So Finn Bennett is 26. Peter Claffey is 30, Egg is a
Dexter soul, Ansel is actually 9.
So that that makes the age difference bigger than it should
because we see those actors and we don't think teenagers, but
the show character, they are supposed to be teenagers.
Aryan is 18 at most, 16 at the least, and Dunk is like 17.
So they're basically the same age, Duncan Aryan, but they
don't look it because they're in real life.
They're adults, well above teenagers.
It's it's they do make a point of showing Makar's chair being
empty and then they have Dunk point that out.
So they really want to draw your attention to that.
And this is as I pointed out earlier, because Makar is out
looking for Daron and Egg. Aryan has the opportunity to do
this. He would not behave like this if
his father was watching. That's made very clear.
The subtext is that Makar has Tywin levels of denial about how
what his children are and will accept excuses.
Aryan could be like, Oh yeah, it was just an accident.
You know, my Lance went low. He, everybody else knows he did
it on purpose, but Makar will probably accept the excuse that
it was an accident. That's probably what his plan
was. He he knows that his father has
high levels of denial and plays to that, which is why he acts a
certain way in front of his father and doesn't when he's not
there. It's pretty straightforward, I
think. So they give a slight change
from the novel and they add an extra pass in the book.
It's just one tilt and it's over.
But because there's less jousting in this overall episode
and they wanted to focus on these characters a little more.
And because, damn, if you're going to put all that armor on
for Aryan, you may as well get a little more out of it, you know?
So they have him like Veer out of the way and and Humphrey
almost like pitches over like trying to reach over and loses
his Lance basically. And then of course, the actual
disgusting moment, which we predicted will be very brutal.
Easy prediction. You know, they're not going to
shy away from showing that on a on ATV show like this.
Very interesting behind the scenes on how they made how they
filmed it and did the Lance through the neck and all that
stuff. The the horse looked pretty,
pretty savage there. I like to say that a little.
One more point about his armor. It's it's like the opposite of
steely Pates, you know, like the one guy's like as much
functional and no ornamentation. I mean, this is very functional
armor, I'm sure, but it's it's very ornamental.
The same music that played here was the light hearted sort of
music they played at the end with the reveal, which I thought
was an interesting choice. I saw the so they they made the
riot a little less like severe by having music that was a
little more light hearted. Go with it.
Even as Baylor is cringing and you know, going Oh God, this.
I knew this was going to happen or something like this was going
to happen. Yeah, this was actually one of
my favorite sequences in the episode 2 in terms of how they
edited it and cut it and put music to it.
I thought it was just so effective to show this like
dark, dark and comedic brutality, you know, and showing
the the agitation of the crowd and like, I don't know, just
how, how everything, how everything for the Targaryens is
kind of just hitting the fan, you know what I mean?
Like this, it's showing that they're losing control and it's
like a circus. I guess it's it's kind of like
what you you see here. And I feel like that music
really intensified that. And Aryan is very sensitive to
that, according to some behind the scenes comments.
And it makes sense that he's insecure about not just himself,
but about how Targaryen's position compared to how they
have been. They're just so much weaker than
they had been in the past that they're not viewed as taking as
seriously, etcetera. So he's very keenly aware of
that. And making it worse.
Yeah, he's making it worse. Yeah, this is not the way to
help Aryan. That was a a neat little insight
I got from I think it was from the behind the episode and I
think it was the director talking about it that, you know,
in a sort of big picture sense. I mean, I'm going to go into
more detail than they did even there, but the Targaryens have
lost an amount of power at this point.
They don't have the Dragons anymore.
And you know, the whole coin flip thing about, you know, we
kind of go back and forth and what you get out of Targaryens.
But you know, in recent times there have been some troubling
Targaryen leaders and wars and they don't have Dragons.
And so they really need to be leading through D, through, you
know, good decisions and charisma and leadership and so
on, right. And that's probably largely why
they're at this tournament, right?
They want to mingle with the regular people and buddy up to
the different nobles and show off their sons who are going to
be kings one day and on and on, right?
That's this is sort of a PR moment for them and Aryan ruins
it. He jumped into the exact
opposite of what Baylor was trying to accomplish here.
It's so awful on so many levels. And yeah, 'cause he thinks that
the way to accomplish Targaryen supremacy or to restore it is
through fear, which is very misguided.
But it's more of Makar's parenting behind it all, I
think, as a man who is very harsh about things and
authoritative. And this is sort of an extension
of that. Obviously, Makar isn't fully
responsible for how Aryan came out.
After all, Eamon and Egg are his sons also, and they're not like
that at all. So yeah, it's it's just, you
know, that nature versus nurture, There's a lot of nature
in there as well as the nurture. How about these?
How about the star? How about these Star Wars
looking Kingsguard? They look like the Imperial
Guard from from the Emperor's Imperial Guard, but white
instead of red. How do they keep so clean?
Man, they, they look kind of sinister, don't they?
Yeah, I know they're these spikes on their heads and
they're all all white and yeah, I think they're very sinister
and especially paired with the music and just beating back the
crowd who are not on horses. And yeah, yeah, it's pretty
effective. Yeah, I know.
This is the way they stand out amidst amongst that crowd too.
It's like, whoa, that is just so white amongst all that grime and
Gray and green and Browns and. They do look like they wrote in
off. The Hoth Snow Troopers Snow
Guard Here is the book version of the aftermath of that scene,
and as you'll see, it's again really similar to what we just
saw quote. Dunk felt sick himself.
What would I do if such a fate befell Thunder?
A man at arms with a pole axe dispatched Sir Humphrey's
stallion, ending the hideous screams.
Dunk turned and forced his way through the press.
When he came to open ground, he lifted Egg off his shoulders.
The boy's hood had fallen back and his eyes were red.
A terrible sight, aye. He told the lad.
But a Squire must needs be strong.
You'll see worse mishaps at other tourneys, I fear.
It was no mishap, Egg said, mouth trembling.
It's one of the only times he doesn't call him Sir.
And I think that's a sign of because in this moment, Egg
knows best. Egg knows what's going on better
than Dunk. And there's no doubt about it
because that's his brother. He's like, you're not going to
tell me what my brother intended.
I know what my brother intended. So I think that's the telling
that the the honorific that he's always very careful to include
is not there this time also because he's just angry and and
disgusted. All right folks, roughly our
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Anyway, let's continue. We have Alice with Three Fingers
featuring my favorite single line and my favorite single
scene of the episode. With the end of the jousting,
they have more leisure time. After seeing such a horrible
sight, why not head over to Sir Lionel's for some light hearted
entertainment? Maybe a drink?
There's always something going on there, right?
They're partying during the daytime, aren't they?
Yeah. Let's them get out of the rain
too. Yeah, good point.
It is raining a little bit. That's a good point.
So here are the lyrics to Alice with Three Fingers.
A Shay. I read the other one.
I will read this 10 Alice was a special last born Berefta thumb
lost a digit tending flock now feeling awfully glum.
Oh, Alice with three fingers a copper in her glass had two
fingers less than most. She'll shove them up your ass.
Hey, I once gave her a silver feeling down alone.
I tried to buy a pinky, but I got the whole arm bone.
Oh, Alice with three fingers never had a lot.
She gave me all she had to give. Two more than what was sought O2
more than what I bought. Oh yeah, so of course the song
is pretty funny, but it's mostly just a set up for this brilliant
conversation. And as I said at the beginning,
I find it brilliant because it's funny, but it's really the
essence of who Egg is. His career as a king is small
folk focused. It's in fact a big part of the
reason why people didn't want him to be king because he was
so, you know, considered quote, half a peasant by mini nobles.
And so, you know, he says, do you suppose there wasn't Alice?
And this is another thing I love.
This is Dunk is this is again, he couldn't have this
conversation with his family. They wouldn't care.
They'd be like, I don't care about was there was an Alice or
not. And Dunk isn't like denigrating
the question. He's not just humoring him.
He's in the moment with him. He's trying to even though he
doesn't really have much insight, he's still wants to
help AG work through it. He's like, well, this is
something interesting to AG. I'm thus interested too.
I'm going to be a father or a brother and, you know, not mock
him for his interests. And it has the he's really gets
that well. Is it a story of honor?
This is a woman that didn't have a lot of natural gifts but made
the most of it. And he considers that very
noble, something that his family wouldn't.
I don't think so. And and he refers to Hope.
He says it. Her name is Hope, Sir, and she
belongs to all who invoke it. Then, you know, these these are
very these are things that you don't normally get from royalty.
And it's part of what Meg's egg megs.
Meg's makes Egg special and how Dunk is very supportive of this
aspect of him in general. Yeah, I totally agree.
As Aziz, I don't think I could put it any better.
I think it really does show that Egg is grappling with with a lot
of philosophical questions that he's learning to to see
commoners. Is is just people just like the
nobles, of course. And I think he's grappling with
his own abilities. Like what he talks about a
dogged spirit and how you just have to work hard and give it
your all. You know, the whole arm bone, as
it were. That was my favorite line of the
episode, too. I just think it it it was
hilarious, but also really speaks to giving it your all,
you know, given a given 110%. And so, yeah, I thought it was a
a funny scene, but also a scene that'll speak so much to who Egg
is and who Egg is going to become.
It was. I love the scene too.
All the things you guys said, things I hadn't thought of and
things that you said better than I would have.
But even more I want to add. It was set up so well because
Egg asked that, you know, I don't know, innocuous question.
Why do you think your name is really Alice?
And the duck's like, oh, I don't know, you know, that's someone
that's something wiser people that make him figure out.
And to Dunk, that's the end of the conversation.
Think earlier when he told Egg, well, yeah, people call me dumb
and Egg was ready for elaboration and Dunk was just
done. But Egg's like, no, I got some
elaboration. And, you know, you know, he what
you thought would just be like, oh, wow, I don't know.
Isn't that a funny thing? But egg, as I know I have some
extended serious thoughts about this.
It was I, I loved it in a million ways.
Also, how many times do you think they've heard that song
that afternoon so far? Like if we heard it twice, you
know, we heard him sing it and then sing it, run it back.
Maybe Egg had heard it like 5 times and he's like I really
have been thinking about this for a minute.
If there's one universal truth about people who are drunk, it's
that they're repetitive. So yeah, let's talk about
fathers. It's been a theme throughout our
discussion and it's certainly a theme throughout the episode.
Right after this scene is when they have a brief discussion
about that. Dunk asks him that while they're
chewing on sausages, by the way, another like tasty looking food
that they're walking around with having a munch.
He says, did you know your father?
And there's a pause and he has to think for a second.
He says no, not really. So he's using no in the non
literal sense. He obviously knows his father,
but like, he doesn't have much of a relationship with him.
You know, his father's been around.
He's got six children. He lost his wife.
You know, he's a war hero. He's not very warm or sensitive.
They don't maybe even have a lot in common, you know.
So he doesn't know. He's like, yeah, I know him, but
I don't know him. You know, I think that's what I
took from that. He's again, he answered the
question this time, Sean, Like this is one of the times we did
answer the question, but it still wasn't a direct answer.
And I think it's we'll put a pin in it for what I know we're
going to end up talking about more, but the idea what it means
to know someone. So yeah.
Good point. Yeah.
So it's no accident that this line came in this episode
instead of one of the first two. You know, they're setting up.
We're getting really close to, at this point, revealing who his
father is. Meanwhile, Dunk's side of
things, he believes his own father was a thief because
that's what people told him and he talked.
He talks about Bola Brown and that sort of light hearted line.
He's like, well, my father is as big as me.
He wouldn't have been a very good thief.
You know, It's like, that's pretty good.
So it's crazy how present Makar is without being present at all.
His he looms over all of this. When you really think about it
again, his absence allows Aryan to be villainous and his he's
absent because of Darren and Egg being missing or absent
themselves. It's weird to say a Prince is
making the most of it because Princess have so much, right?
They're as privileged as it gets.
But wealth and power or in royal ancestry is a recurring theme
throughout George's writings. That none of those things mean
you'll have good parents, right? In fact, it might mean you.
It might work against you in a lot of cases because of all that
wealth and power and pride distracts them from being
parents, to put it mildly. Distracting is probably a kind
way to put it, but the bottom line is the same.
Unparented children or poorly parented children.
Certainly a lot of what's going on with Aryan and Darren as
well. But if Aryan and Darren feel
more of the pressure whereas Egg feels more left out, I think.
You talking just now, you sparked a thought on me that I
hadn't even considered before. But I don't know, consider this
Dunk. In his mind, he's almost
suspicious of either his dad couldn't have been as big as him
or couldn't have been a thief or couldn't have been a good one.
And Dunk also has this idea that all these big strong men who are
Knights in armor with Shields and horses, their honor, they
couldn't be. No way Aryan killed that horse
on purpose. Even Robin Reisling default
assumed Egg had stolen that horse.
There's like this parallel, There's this.
What's the word I'm looking for? Congruency.
I can't even be a word. But big people are honorable and
not thieves, small people, thieves, you know, like you.
You can't be a good honorable person if you're not a big
strong man. You're probably a swarmy thief
if you're a little scrawny punk kid, you know what I mean?
There's I, I, you know, I'm not sure that's a point that Martin
or the show is trying to make, but it is something that's
seeping through one way or the other, you know?
Absolutely. One last point about Makar,
well, maybe not one last point, but one other point about Makar.
Is that Darren isn't just missing, he's missing because of
the pressure from his father. So it's like Makar is chasing
after Daron, not really coming to terms with the fact that he's
the reason Daron keeps running off.
Like they say Daron's done this before or Baylor says Daron's
done this before. He's maybe maybe that was Baylor
trying to like get that point across without throwing it in
his face. He's like, he keeps doing this.
You keep pushing him and he keeps doing this.
Maybe you should pick up on this pattern, brother, you know?
But Nope, Makar is blind. Like we said, he's in denial,
he's blind, and he has expectations that he will not
set aside. Even Raymond Fossaway has picked
up on that pattern. Yeah.
Yeah, he's like, that's why he's pissed in his goose pie or
whatever he said his swan pie, that's what it was.
So it's all very connected to this.
It's it's really neat. So we've compared Makar to
Stannis quite a bit, and it's a good point.
He is like Stannis, but in this light he's more of a Tywin
because Stannis. While he's not exactly a good
father to Shreen, in fact he will probably prove to be as bad
a father as possible if he burns her, which we do expect, but we
just don't know what kind of father he is in general other
than an absentee future emulator.
He he's cold and proud like Makar.
But we all know boys and girls are treated way differently in
this setting. Their upbringings are extremely
different, the path they get put on, and Makar has four sons and
Stannis has zero, so that you can't really compare.
I wouldn't say that Makar is nearly as bad a person as Tywin
outside of parenting either. But they're both overbearing.
They expect too much, they are very concerned with image,
they're very willing to be violent as Tywin would put it.
He requires a sharp lesson. That's very similar to Makar
saying I'll see him change or I'll see him dead, right?
Like these are, these are very stubborn men who are used to
getting what they want. And but with human beings, you
can't have what you want. People can't be what they're
not. But he's not giving up on that,
just like Tywin wouldn't. I feel like it's a little bit
different than how the books presented it.
I like, I don't think he said that I'll see him deadline in
the books for example. No, he did.
He did. Did he?
I don't quite remember that, but I still do feel like in the
books, and again, you know, I, I have a certain bias, I guess.
I don't know, I, I tend to like Stannis.
I, my default is, you know, I'm not saying he's faultless, but I
tend to like him and I tended to like Makar also in the books
anyway, so far in the show, not so much.
I felt like in the books it was a little bit more he was
exasperated and wasn't sure what he was supposed to do.
And in the the show, it seems more like he doesn't care about
figuring out what to do. These kids all beat him into
place. You know what I mean?
I don't know. I did.
It seemed in the book like he was.
And, you know, maybe I'm giving more credit for the entirety of
the book, but it seemed like he was more wanting to be a good
father and hadn't figured it out yet.
Here it seems like I'm a good father.
How come my boys aren't good, you know?
I could see that sort of, Yeah, maybe.
I think the I think the book relies on a little more subtlety
for that. I think they have Makar acting
more gruff and cursing a lot to to draw that out more.
Maybe it might have been the point.
Now, one other difference between them that's not similar.
Tywin this separated from Makar or Stannis because he was the
first born son. He has the inborn confidence of
the first born, which neither Makar or Stannis have.
They both have that chip on their shoulder, which in Makar's
case, he pushes. That chip is also extended to
his children. He pushes that on them as well.
He's like, you should have chips on your shoulder too.
Meanwhile, Tywin's youngest brother was Jerian and now
Jerian. The description of Jerian is
that he's like everyone else was playing the game.
Tywin was the the power authority.
Kevin just got in line with him. Tygart tried to be like Tywin
just wasn't good enough. And Jerry's like, I'm not
playing this game. I'm doing my own thing.
That's egg to me. He's like, I'm not doing any of
this, you guys, I hate what you're doing.
I'm doing my own thing now. His doing his own thing is very
different than Jerian's doing his own thing, but it's still
his own thing. Jerian wanted to sail off to
Valyria. AG isn't doing something like
that, but it's still in a few. Years.
In a few years. Yeah, maybe, maybe the fortune
teller, this is a small yet huge moment.
Like AG himself. Plumber's in this scene.
So I almost, it's like he's it's almost like that maybe there's a
little bit of subtext of choosing your destiny here.
He's like, I'm not choosing that.
What is my future, you know? But he doesn't take it very
seriously. AG does like this is Dunk laughs
harder in this scene than he does in any other.
And except for maybe when he's with Raymond a little bit later.
So he. But he hardly reacts to what she
says. She's like, oh, he's he's like,
you want, you want your fortune. And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
go ahead. He says it in almost like a flat
voice, like, oh, sure, let's do it.
And she says, you shall know success and be richer than a
Lannister. And he says thank you
nonchalantly, like, all right, move on.
You know, like, OK, cool. So let's discuss that real
quickly before moving on to what she says about Egg.
Shay, I thought you had a pretty good take on this.
OK. I think it's basically referring
to how eventually Rohan Weber marries Gerald Lannister and she
leaves him. And it's long been a theory that
Dunkin Egg or Dunk more Nate more specifically, but that
their plot lines would intersect with that in her leaving.
And so when he says you shall know success and be richer than
a Lannister, I think they mean you're going to cock a Lannister
basically like you're like Rohan's going to leave her
husband and you will know success with her.
That's that's what I think it's saying basically to me.
I like that interpretation a lot.
I have. I have no notes on that.
Just you should. It's not meant to be, clearly
not meant to be literally wealthier, having more money
than a Lannister. That ain't happening.
So we have to look for other interpretations.
I also want to say in the chat I see another great interpretation
here that I like from Jenny of Cold Stone Creamery richer than
Jaime Lannister in the pages of the Kingsguard book he does have
more pages. Richer than a specific
Lannister, that one specific one.
Than a. Lancer way more.
Pages, but way more pages, so I like that a whole lot.
I think both are great. Love that Jenny, I love the
name. Can I can I say I like those
both a lot, but I don't quite buy either one.
I'm going to hold off to tell you what I think after we get
past the egg part. OK, so now here's the egg part.
He, he, he's. She goes, hey, you know, you do
him. Now an egg is flabbergasted.
He takes it very seriously. Here's the exact wording.
You shall be king. You will die in a hot fire, and
worms will feed upon your ashes. And all who know you shall
rejoice in your dying. And he goes, What?
And Dunk just starts laughing. He just breaks out laughing.
Like that's funny. Yeah, good.
Good one. Like he takes his You're a
comedy. It would.
Be really comedic if you heard that you're like orphan boy
Squire was going to be like that sounds so crazy.
That sounds so. Crazy of your talk.
Doesn't that crazy? No, it sounds very possible.
Right, and it's so preposterous that he would be king, but also
it's preposterous to dunk that everyone rejoice is dying.
This smart little hard working kid who would rejoice is dying.
I think he's both parts are hilarious to dunk.
So a little bit of I, I want to hear what else you have to say
about this, Sean. But I want to add something that
I think a lot of people didn't notice and I don't know that
it's relevant. In fact, I lean towards not, but
it's an interesting thing to take note of.
This is the same actress that was the innkeeper in the first
episode. I just recognized the bottom
half of her face and then looked it up and yeah, it's her.
So it's the same. It's probably just the same
actress. It probably isn't the same
person in the show, but it could be.
My semi crackpot, if not complete crackpot theory is that
remember in the book she says, you know, all that guy does is
talk about his dream drink and talk about his dreams.
So she's heard him talk about his dreams a lot.
She could recycle them and go back and just like tell
prophecies to people and like, hey, I've got the wording and
everything. Like this is going to sound
authentic because it came from this guy or whatever.
I don't know. There's a lot of reasons why
that doesn't work, but it's just a fun thought.
So go ahead and tell me what you think about this interpretation,
Sean, then I'll then I'll give mine.
So one thing I'll say in the second part to, you know,
analyze the meaning of and all who know you shall rejoice and
you're dying. That part doesn't make sense to
me. And, and and just like being
richer than a Lannister, I, I was stretching to find ways that
might be, might have some meaning.
And I thought of like the Jamie Lannister thing, like rich might
not be in wealth and the way she said a Lannister.
So did that mean just a generic Lannister, a certain Lannister
or maybe there's some poor cousin Lannister in a cadet
branch. It isn't what you know, I
there's ways you could stretch for that to be quote UN quote
true somehow. And I think but the thing like
all shall rejoice and you're dying.
It's hard to stretch that to be true.
There's this idea the egg is, I don't think.
It is. I don't think it is, Sean.
The all is the part. I think all.
I think. I think.
You think Amon, You think his brother Amon up at up at the
wall rejoiced Egg's death. Sometimes things can be because.
He would be part of all. Rejoice is extreme word, but I
do think there could be a sense of relief that his his his
brother who had gone rather mad. You know, I, I yeah, maybe Eamon
is the exception, but also, like, that's getting caught up
on all. Not every person even has an
opinion in this. You know many people are
neutral, right? I mean, that's that's the whole
point I'm making here is that there are ways maybe like, you
know, especially you think about maybe egg went mad and all the
stuff he's trying to do for the common people made the nobles
mad. And and even I mentioned earlier
when talking about did he know his dad?
We could talk about what you mean by no, because all the
common people wouldn't rejoice after everything you did for
them I guess. Unless he also went mad and
killed a bunch of them randomly like Aries did.
But do the common people really know him that well?
I don't. Know exactly do they really know
him? So once again, I'm doing mental
gymnastics to try to make sense of that, just like I was doing
adrenal gymnastics, try to make sense of Dunk being richer than
Lannister. And I think there are ways you
can maybe do it, but you really have to stretch and make some
assumptions, especially when you count for Eamon.
But I think the more likely thing, the answer to both of
these things that you're stretching to find a way is it's
just a false prophecy. It's just like all prophecies
have some misleading, inaccurate it's.
Not shot, it's. Very real.
It's very it's. He is going to be kidding and
die in a hot fire. So that she's definitely right.
That's definitely prophetic. I'm not saying the whole thing
is completely wrong, just like I don't think she is correct when
she says all will rejoice. I think there's some truth to
this prophecy and some falsehood.
I think she said one true thing and one false thing about Dunk
and one true thing and one false thing about Egg.
And just like all prophecies, you go spinning off trying to
understand and figure it out, but in the end you can't figure
it out the right way. And I think in this case, the
reason can't figure out the right ways because it's just not
quite right. It's just not quite a correct
prophecy. I think it implies, right?
I think it implies really dark for us all, which is that egg
was had gone full tilt into this and everyone around him was
disillusioned by him, was concerned for him, was felt some
measure of relief that he was dead.
I think that's what it implies to me and that's, that's really
sad. Insane.
You can see that now I I would like to push back a little eye
for That was my first reaction too.
My first reaction was this implies that he goes mad, but it
doesn't have to. And one reason I think so is
meta. And that is well, we've already
had that ending. Well, I think it implies that he
has a dogged spirit that everyone is sick to death of
because it kills. Them exactly like it's not
insanity, it's. Not insanity.
He could. Be taken that way, yeah, it's
but it's not insanity. That's why.
But it's not insane. But it's still is something that
everyone around him is going to feel a sense of relief that he
is no longer putting them all through his like doggedly
focused prophetic mind. Yeah, and maybe this is part of
like they're meant to showing show us that he starts to pay
attention to prophecy more because this when he was nine
years old, someone gave him this prophecy and it it stuck in his
mind. And the the idea that she could
say such a thing to him, not knowing who he is really would
really spooked him. It could be the type of thing
too that as he gets closer to being king, if it reflects back
on his prophecy like it in this moment, maybe he can just blow
it off. But as he gets closer to being
king and it does become king, then he's going to start to
think, what? Why would everyone rejoice?
Am I dying? And that might drive him to do
something great like hatch a dragon egg.
Hey, how could they reduce Am I dying?
And if I brought the Dragons back, and he and he causes the
rejoice in his dying by trying to bring.
Yeah, self fulfilling prophecy kind of thing.
Yeah, by trying to avoid it is what is how you 'cause it.
So I think that's a very good interpretation and very strong
possibility. Now one more note on this.
George R Martin almost certainly told them this like he almost
certainly had to sign off on that line because the George's
been very protective of the details around Summerhall.
He was he he, he tried to do a lot of clever things with the
world of Ice and fire, like have ink spilled on the notes within
the book. Ultimately that didn't work as a
from a publication standpoint, so it's just like missing parts
from the text instead. So George is like had this kept
this very close to the chest for a very long time and thus I
really doubt he would be OK with them just throwing some stuff
out that doesn't fit his plans. That's another thing.
That's another thing, Sean, you have to would say it has to fit
somehow. Yes, maybe it could be partially
off. That's a a fine interpretation,
but I would approach this as if there's a way to interpret it
that makes it completely correct.
It doesn't have to be, but that's my initial way to take it
because of the meta that it had to come from George.
Now George could could say, yeah, let's throw him off a
little bit. Let's not have it be so
straightforward. But ultimately there that still
leads to this being there. Is there an interpretation of
this that fits that? You know, that's how I would,
that's how I'm going to see it, but doesn't have to be true.
Yeah, just yeah, I agree with you Aziz.
And I would say just like, if you're going to get stuck on
words like, you know, be richer than a Lannister or all who know
you, that's where it isn't necessarily exhaustively true.
He's not richer than a Lannister in every possible metric, you
know, and not every single person who knows of Aegon
Targaryen. I think that's where you're
getting stuck, getting stuck in your craw, is that you're saying
it has to be so exhaustive. And I don't think it has to be,
just has to be true on some level, in some sense.
Well, I kind of agree with you. That's kind of my point.
It's true on some level he'll be king and worms will feed in his
ashes. But I don't.
I just don't think everyone's going to rejoice in his dying.
People will. Yeah, people will.
I don't think it. Will be all people who know him
will rejoice in his dying. Yeah, I agree.
Oh, let's move on. That's not.
Let's not get stuck on that now. This next scene really connects
to it, though, which is that we have Raymond and Dunk now.
It starts with some comedy, as it often does.
I've seen you with that boy before, you know?
And he's like, this boy is my Squire.
The difference between the novel and the show here is pretty
straightforward. Egg looks at his shoes and puts
his hood up because he he's afraid of Raymond recognizing
him here. He just kind of looks off to the
side and is really quick to make his eggs.
And he's like, yeah, go have a drink with him.
I'm going to go look at the puppet show.
You know, it's a very rational thing.
And then he adds to it by saying, you know, I'll pick up
your shield, right? This is a good plan.
And Dunk's like, uh oh. OK, yeah, it's a.
Good beat for Dunk too, because he you really see in his face
that he's so torn between, you know, the girl and networking,
which is really what this is. Not only is it fossil way apple
cider, which they're known for, but this is just a good
opportunity. He needs to get Intel.
Tansel doesn't really help him to get any further with his
goals to do well in this tournament and Raymond does.
I agree. And Raymond is so like earnest
about it, so sincere. He's like, we make it ourselves.
He's like, he's like, oh, cider made by the house that is known
for apples. That's probably really good,
man. They've been around thousands of
years. They really, really probably
nailed that recipe down. Raymond also, you know, extended
a helpful hand to him in the past.
Kind of rude to not take him up on on him when he's continuing.
And last time he got a great supper with Lionel Baratheon.
It might happen. You know, he's got it's a good
track record. So and and the tracker with
Tansel is uneasy. Like just earlier today, she
barely acknowledged me when I said, hey, do you like goose
eggs? You know, so you could see he
definitely, like you said, she's torn.
He's like, I wanted to get my shield from her, like.
Yeah, that is his thought. He's like, oh man, that was my
excuse to hang out and and see her as to get that shield.
But yeah, he, he, he's, he's made the right decision.
Oh yeah, 100%. That's why he was balking there.
He's like, wait, no, I'm going to go to.
Yeah. But he's like, well, maybe I'll
have a drink, and then I'll be more brave about approaching
her. So they go inside.
They have their drink together. And it's so funny just how many
apples are just sitting around in this room.
There's just, like, stacks of apples everywhere.
It's. I'm just very amused by that.
So they bring up Dunk casually brings up Sir Andrew.
Like, you know, he's still thinking about the having to
take that deal from Plummer. He hates it, but he's thinking
about it. And he, Raymond brings up
something he hadn't considered. He's like, oh, you want to play
the villain, huh? That's a local hero, a local
favorite. And Dunk hadn't thought about
that. And then they turn.
The conversation turns to what Aryan did.
He's like, I can't believe a a, you know, a Prince or would do
that. He's like, what's so hard about
believing that? You know, he's like, they're
incestuous aliens, Duncan. That was my second favorite line
in the episode after the whole arm bone.
My second favorite was their incestuous aliens because like,
technically correct. Yeah, pirates and blood
magickers who burned our lands and dragged us into their wars
with no concern for our history or our customs.
Yeah, that's also accurate, pretty much.
Maybe a little concern for their history and their customs, but
not much. Definitely the burning their
lands. This is a great point.
I mean, it reminds us that, yeah, not everybody is so
excited about the Targaryens. A lot of what we've seen is the
Targaryen point of view. And when they're from their
point of view, everybody's not going to show their angry face.
They're going to be like, yes, I love you, King and queen, I, I,
I bow before you. But in in private, they're like,
those guys suck. You know, this is what we're
seeing. We're seeing the in private
moment where they're saying what they really think.
This is not what they would say in front of the road.
They would behave and act all nice and chivalrous, just kind
of like what's been said about Makar.
So this is scene is in the book, but they lean into it more.
And it's very fitting with what we just saw.
Like, people rejoice when Egg dies, right?
Because of things like this, people just hate the Targaryens.
It isn't because they hate him personally.
They're just like, yeah, another Targaryen is gone.
He says each one has been worse than the last.
You know, they're just blah, blah, blah.
Right. Then that line about.
Yeah. Go ahead.
That that's another thing that the perspective we've seen in
the past of the Targaryens was when they were more beloved, it
was at a more prosperous, peaceful time for the land.
And never mind even maybe people might have been, you know,
enthralled with the Dragons. But then I don't even know the
details. Just minor side note, I'm trying
to keep myself from being spoiled on the happenings of the
Targaryen, the, the house, the dragon time period, you know?
But one way or the other, we already see Dragons just blowing
up cities, you know what I mean? And I do know that there are
some more tyrannical leaders follow up after that.
So this moment in time, Targaryens are less loved in the
moment in time. We're seeing things from the
Targaryen perspective. Yes, one after another.
Wait, no. Were each one worse than the
last? Kind of.
The and frankly, a Song of Ice and Fire, let's let's not
remember, the Targaryens are not in power anymore.
There is no, there's like not a lot of memory of their rule.
It's just, and it's Aries, which is not, you know, he's about as
bad as it gets. So, so we don't have like the
current perspective. It's like, except like you said
in house the dragon, but house the dragon of all the of the
three shows is by far the most rooted in royalty only like it's
the most royal focused, you know, so that you get less of
the common people's opinion. It does have common folks, you
know, we got the the the dragon seeds and things like that, but
they become like more like Royals and less like commoners.
Whereas this is a show where the royal becomes more and more
common. You know, it's kind of going the
opposite direction. So I really like Raymond's
delivery on that. I continue to be enamored with
him. And this comes back with got a
little carried away there, yeah. That was good.
I was thinking almost exactly that as he was going up.
Like man, this guys not holding back.
This is like, and he got that. That was so funny, like and
brilliant. Like I got that part from the
one part about finishing on their.
Yeah, not having more children is the gist of that part is like
that relates to it. He's like, yes, stop having more
of these kids. Like stop it, no more
Targaryens. And, and the fact that he heard
that from his elders and this is something that's passed down,
this dislike of them all the way back to the field of fire, which
the Reach, where this is a Reach house, a lot of fossil ways
probably died in the field of fire.
You could look at other houses, like maybe Lionel Baratheon
doesn't mind as much, you know, 'cause he's a Baratheon.
He descends from the house that took over, right?
He's part Durandan, but he's part Valyrian, right?
Because of that, these guys are pure Richmond and have been for
thousands of years. So their view is like, yeah,
they literally burned like our the people who ruled us for
thousands of years and, and, and our family as well.
He's not wrong entirely, but it's still such extreme
political view to just like come out the gate with and just like
lay on lay it dunk. It's, you know, treasonous is
what it is, right. And so they they sit there so
awkwardly for a beat, which was just a great comedic moment that
I think despite this being, you know, a fantasy pseudo medieval
world, it's still something that people watching it can relate to
a time time that they were with someone and someone said some
out of pocket thing, like about about something political or
about someone that you know, right.
And you're just like, I don't, I don't know what.
To say to that, how do you really feel?
Yeah, Tell me how you really feel.
Yeah, that's exactly that. So I thought it was a really,
really funny scene. Great delivery.
I love this guy's accent so much.
Just Yeah, I really. I really like.
Raymond yeah, I have my big fan Shawn Thomas.
So they as far as the reveal or the start of the reveal, it's
almost exactly word for word from the novel.
They added one word, I think it was, instead of Aryan is vain
and cruel, it's Aryan is just vain and cruel.
He just added the word just they nailed it.
It was perfect. He runs, egg runs in just as
he's about to say. And his youngest, Sir Duncan.
Yeah, exactly like the book, loved it because there's no
notes on the book version, so there's no reason to change it.
And I'm glad that once again, they didn't feel the need to
change it just because it was it was perfect.
Just like the book version, an egg hatches at the puppet show.
So let's not forget Aryan has his horse taken away from him
and given to Sir Humphrey. So it really his his plan, such
as it was, backfired. Like he wanted to like make
people scared of him. And really they just look at him
as weak and cowardly. And then he gets his horse taken
away too, which is like, I'm the Prince, I'm the dragon.
Like, how dare you? You take the do that, you know,
like I should be allowed to do what I want.
So his pride was very touched. He should have been seen as
better just because it's very Joffrey.
Like, it's petulance. It's like my reputation is more
important than these other things, even your life, you
know, like that is the most important thing.
The dragon ought not lose. The way he says that is it's
it's that's very like Viserys, like, you know, but it's also
Joffrey kind of had that moment too with Marillion where he's
like, yeah, sing those lyrics that you were singing in the
bar, you know, and then, OK, fingers or tongue, you get to
lose 1 or the other. Yeah.
It's you can, you could totally picture Aryan doing this.
In fact, Aryan almost knocks all the dunks teeth out, which is,
you know, similar to pulling out your tongue, I guess in a way.
So he believes he's justified, like Aryan thinks he's
justified. He doesn't think that, hey, I'm
going to teach him a lesson through cruelty and fear.
He thinks that this is my right. Again, like Viserys, like it's
his, it's he, he's justified because of who he is and what he
is. But as you said, Sean, early on,
there are there are things that are unique about him that are
not Joffrey or Viserys. He has some amount of
competence, even though he's kind of cowardly.
I mean, he's no Baylor and he's solely no Makar, but he's not
propped up like Prince Valar either.
They're not trying to make they don't need to make him look
good. He he's peevish that Valar is
getting that treatment. He's and he kind of calls him
out a little bit for it, but not loudly.
You know, he says, you know, I won't embarrass you today,
cousin. In the book, he just laughs.
But I think they were, they changed that to because laughing
is too emotional. They want him to be so flat and
emotionless and that laughing is emotional.
What he would have done. Now let's let's think about what
Aryan would have done. Aryan's plan here was to tell
his father, oh hey, the puppeteer was treasonous.
I did what any Targaryen should do.
But he, his plan had to change when Egg showed up because all
of a sudden there's a witness, a witness that's of equal station
to him. And see that's why people are
confused about why Egg ran to Duncan in the book he clarifies
I couldn't run to the castles too far away.
But also Duncan can stop Aryan. He can't stop Aryan.
Egg can't stop Aryan. Egg can stop the guards.
He can order them what to do, he can also no, they'll also stop
because Aryan won't order them to do anymore because he knows
at that moment that Egg will tell and so he can order the
guards around, but he can't stop Aryan.
So he needs Dunk to stop Aryan. He can't order Aryan to stop.
So that's that's why that works out the way it does.
Couple other points and then I'll let y'all weigh in on this
very important scene. I definitely loved, like you
said, Sean Finn Bennett's emotionless, arrogant cruelty.
Just on point that the silence, the speaking softly reminds me a
little bit of Bruce Bolton. Just the lack of emotion.
There's like a spectrum of villains.
You have the Joker on one side, extremely loud, animated,
emotional. Now on the other side you have
Anton Chigurh from No Country with Old Men, No Country for Old
Men. He was just like the silent,
flat, very intimidating and sinister guy.
This is what Aryan is channeling more of that, I think, without
as much competence, even though he's more competent than say,
Avalar, He's not. He's no Anton Chigurh in terms
of that. And there's things that you
can't match with the written word, even as good as George's.
Like things like like certain expressions on your face and
just the emotions of the moment are hard to capture on a book
that the ways that this scene did very well, which is
important to to for an adaptation to pull these moments
off well. All right, I'll have some more
to say, but let me turn it over to y'all.
Sean, you go first. One thing I want to point out is
the once again from the behind the scenes thing that the sorry
Finn was that the name of the actor that played Aryan and the
director, I think her name was Sarah.
They sort of decided that in this moment he was curious.
He was like genuine like, oh, weird, this guy just sacrificed
his life for some moment. What?
Why would someone do that? Like it was like rather than
like angry. And you know, he still felt he
needed some retribution, but he still would just found it
fascinating that someone would behave this way.
It's like. Pulling the wings off a family
type. Fascinating.
Yeah, yeah, you're doing something cruel and, you know,
curious about the result and and and, you know, but quickly, like
whatever the result, kill this guy now, you know, you're still
being cruel in the end, but it's still so different than, you
know, going off the rails yelling and temper and all.
It's it's in a way, I think it's more ominous or sinister or
whatever. Another thought about Egg
because that that is something that has flickered through my
head is that if he had just when it first started happening, just
announced, you know, hey, I'm the Prince.
Stop that brother. It doesn't reveal himself to
Dunk, but it still stops. What's happening?
But I don't know if it stops. Everyone in the camp would then
not be talking about it, though if he reveals himself, Dunk
would find out. Like, there's a room full of
witnesses. Yeah.
All the crowd is there, yeah. And I don't know how much he's
trying to hide it from just Dunk or from everyone.
And you know, how much of it is just like a literary it's, it's
a good moment from an entertainment perspective, which
has a similar result. I guess the result is that the
thing that happens that maybe Egg didn't consider, and again
in the book it is explaining he didn't have time to run anywhere
else, that Dunk was just nearby and he was the one person he
knew we could go and we'd do the right thing that.
But it puts Dunk in his position now that because Dunk came in
and did the right thing, now he's probably going to be
killed. You know where if he just
revealed himself, it doesn't put Duncan danger or if he goes to
get some of the guard or whatever else, you know, I, I, I
can see. But he doesn't save Tanzel if he
doesn't right Like Gary. That's that was my point.
He can't. He can't save Tanzel by just
revealing himself without someone else there.
He needs Dunk or someone else large to stop Aryan.
I'm not sure. You might be right because even
if he does tow on Aryan to make car and then Aaron says yeah,
she was treasonous, she killed the dragon.
Why are they even doing this? It's his word versus his.
Yeah, yeah. Right, and even Egg wouldn't
necessarily argue. No, she didn't.
It's make car just gets decide what's treasonous or not and
probably will be on the side of his older son.
What's he going to anyway? One way the other.
Aside from all that, like the the idea that this might be like
a flaw, a plot point error or whatever kind, I still think
there's this other factor that's not being considered.
Dunk his ex friend. They've just been hanging out
all these days and bonding and getting close and sharing their
time and they're both friends with Tansel.
Like I think, I don't think dunk, I don't think egg went
through this. If I do X, then Y if I do Y then
D and then result to be blah blah.
But then he's like, Oh my God, I got to go get dunk.
I just think he oh. Yeah, he's nine years old.
Get his friend. Yeah, it would be unrealistic
kind of thing. About the implications, he just
went and got his friend that he knew it would do the right thing
and it, you know, turned out to be bad in a way for dunk.
I mean, obviously the whole story's got to go, but it most
likely was the only way to save 10 cell.
And you saw like there was another person laying on the
ground, you know, I don't know, incapacitated and someone's
crying over them. He might have already punched or
kicked or severely injured or maimed or even killed another
person already in this process. Never mind he just destroyed
their careers, right? All their puppets are kicked and
burned and on the floor. Like, I mean, it's this.
There's trouble beyond her broken finger, you know what I
mean? Like it's this Aryan is just
wreaking havoc all over the place.
Yeah, let me add something to that, Sean, because this is this
is an important point about Aryan as a character, which is
that he knows what he's doing with that.
He is trying to end a career. This is very intentional
cruelty. He did the same thing to Harold
Harding. He ended his jousting career,
that guy. I mean, well, as it turns out,
he didn't. But Harding will be killed in
the trial, so we don't know whether he would have been able
to continue his. He's like, I could still ride
with a broken leg. But anyway, that's what he was.
So maybe he failed to end his career, but that's what he's
trying to do. Like in the city, he's like,
yeah, I want to win. I want to show up.
I want to prove myself and and inspire fear, but I also want to
do it in a way that is just really cruel and end this guy's
career like the maximum cruelty. It's it's less cruel to kill the
guy that it is to turn them into some shadow of what they were.
He's exerting his authority is one thing that's happening here,
and that's a one way. If you killed the guy, that's
one thing, but to end the guy's career, that should see the
power I have over. You and the fingers are so
important for your puppetry. It's like very precise.
And so, yeah, it's very, it's particularly evil.
And that's part of what sets Dunk off.
I wanted to say, yeah, I pulled it up here that you can't see
the IT is her uncle on the ground, which is which makes
sense because you think some a man and is going to come up and
try to brutalize his family member and and her male family
member, like any family member isn't going to stand up for her.
He's part of the production. So it makes sense that Aryan
handled him first. And so that's probably her aunt
crying over him. You could imagine, right.
And then he turns to 10 cell to again cripple her and and stop
her in her livelihood and stop her from being able to do
puppetry. And now I'll read it and say
some more thoughts after. That yeah, here's the book
version of that. You could see just how close it
hews, just like so many other scenes.
One man at arms was dangling the puppets of Florian and Jean Keel
from his hands as another set them a fire with a torch.
Three more men were opening chests, spilling more puppets on
the ground and stamping on them. The dragon puppet was scattered
all about them, a broken wing here, its head there, its tail
in three pieces. And in the midst of it all stood
Prince Aryan, resplendent in a red velvet doublet with long
dagged sleeves, twisting Tancell's arm in both hands.
She was on her knees, pleading with him.
Aryan ignored her. He forced open her hand and
seized one of her fingers. Dunk stood there stupidly, not
quite believing what he saw. Then he heard a crack, and
Tensell screamed. And here's where I like to say
that Peter Claffy did an amazing job in this role as, like,
showing, like, the beast unleashed, you know, his anger.
Yeah, he really does. He really looks so angry, and
he's so big, and he just tosses him.
And it's so satisfying to see him just, like, handily dispense
of him. And then so scary to see Aryan
be able to, you know, almost just knock out all of his teeth
if Egg had just been a few moments later, right.
And so I thought that was just really good acting by Peter
Claffy, really good staging, really good directing in terms
of how they, like, did the zooming in kind of on a Dolly,
like to go into Aryan with Tansel, you know, and like, show
this intensity. I thought the directing was very
good, which is why I want you to put some respect, Sean on Sarah
Adina Smith's name because she won.
It was a director for Legion. You love Legion.
So that's that's she's has that under her belt.
She also directed the movie Buster's Malheart.
I don't know if you saw that Sean starred Rami Malek.
It was really good. I liked it.
I think she's a great director and I think she showed her chops
here. I think she did a lot, a lot of
really cool shots from like the beginning with with Egg, like
they had a lot of like drone shots again, crane shots or like
really high above and he looks so tiny.
I just think I think it's really beautiful shots in this episode
in general. Can I say one other thing in
line with what you're talking about there, Shaya?
I appreciate that this didn't turn into some extended over the
top 8 minute action scene of Dunk beaten up 38 dudes, right?
Three guys jumped on him and his biggest, strongest Dunk is three
grown men. It's hard to it's hard to, you
can't just shed that off. And it's so many movies and TV
shows. It would have taken 13 guys and
we're doing backflips and running all over the place.
Whatever. It's a bunch of nonsense action.
It's all pointless. This just showed us what it
needed to. We're entertained enough by the
conflict of the heart, right? The the dilemma that's been set
up, the person trying to do the right thing.
We don't need this over the top action to make this good.
I'm so glad they didn't go there.
So many shows do and it upsets me so much.
I'm I'm loving a show and I'll give credit to Sarah Ford.
Hell yeah can. I also say the other favorite,
like editing, directing moment was this ending sequence, which
made Aziz and I laughed so hard every time we watched it.
The dramatic music. As it goes.
From each person's face, you know, it was, it was, it was
just such a perfect beat. I can't get enough of of it.
It goes, you know, and I love it that Raymond's in there.
Yeah, Raymond runs in with Stefan and some.
Bars Raymond was ready. Just like the book.
The book says that Raymond runs in with men in arms and Stefan's
with him. And yeah, they, they they
hardly, they don't draw attention to that.
But it's there, the book you. Know like that the last two
shots are of egg, right? Like it goes to cuts between
everyone a few times to a comedic effect and then it cuts
to egg. Egg looks right at Dunk.
Dunk looks at Egg and it does kind of a pull out of them and
it's like dramatic way, but really just showing like, what
will Dunk's reaction be like? That is what they're emphasizing
here, which I, yeah, I just really great editing, directing,
music does not like sound design.
Just all around. I loved this sequence.
I'm glad you brought it up because I'm so with you.
I loved it. It's it's it's especially in
context of other stuff we've seen from like, you know, these
maybe questionable opening sequences that they're I don't
know whether they're setting themself apart or adding a layer
of absurdity or, you know, maybe even maybe even a little bit
mocking the pretentiousness of the original Game of Thrones or
whatever that that this scene is sort of self aware of its over
the top Dunk, dunk, Dunk big reveal, you know, and it that
the music and it cuts. It is sort of a standard thing
to do, but it's sort of a cliche thing to do.
So they push the cliche to make it to the point of humor.
But also on top of all that, which I appreciate enough.
But given what the director Sarah said in the behind the
scenes thing, they wanted this to be more of a focus on what
this means for Duncan eggs relationship then a big reveal,
especially because a high percent of people watching this
well already know we know the reveal, you know, and so we had
some it gives us a different thing to be excited about.
What's that we? Had on solid who were shocked
that we watched with our roommate and a friend.
They were both here and they go what he's are he's a Targaryen.
Yeah, they were. They were so surprised, I think.
You knowing it, I, I, I tell me if those people go back and
rewatch it, because I think that why I think it's something
Martin is so good at, is there's a mystery there that you don't
even know that you're trying to figure out.
And it once it's revealed and you go back, you're like, oh,
they were just telegraphing it the whole way.
Yeah, I've heard. Theories from people who who
thought that maybe the the big mystery was that Egg was like
Brand and he was like prophetic and then he, you know, was like
old, he was like ancient, you know, people, some people
thought there was a mystery about Egg that went the other
direction. So even people who were maybe
had had some suspicion didn't necessarily think of it.
The last point here, for me anyway, is how well they
preserved a lot of these fun details, a lot of these minor
details too. I think obviously the important
things are the the conflict and the character stuff.
But again, I just appreciate how much they kept intact from the
novella as well the implications of what's going to come.
And if I I liked how Marion his one of his reactions is to stand
up and go when he sees AG come in and start giving orders.
He's like it. It's almost emotional because he
but he's not very emotional. So it's like that's the that's
an even bigger surprise to him than than what Dunk did.
Perhaps potentially like, well, there's all sorts of surprising
things happening here. It was.
Kind of a scooby-doo. And he's like, I would have
gotten away with it too if it wasn't for her.
You pesky kid. There's one.
There's one little brother. A A, a point we've discussed in
the past, a concept is the kind of things that you should get
mad at, like having a internal priority for what matters most.
And the people who have the quote UN quote, best internal
priorities are people who get mad at the things that are the
worst and don't get caught up with things that are lesser.
And this is a good example of that.
Dunk is mad at what Aryan is doing and as a true knight
personality, no chance, no choice, right?
He has to do it. He doesn't even think about it
and this is just a a sign of what kind of person he is.
And it comes up again when he's about to get curb stomped and
lose all his teeth. Egg runs up and Dunk, it's like,
no, don't. He's worried about Egg.
He's not worried about himself, even though he's about to have
something awful happen to himself.
And this is extremely, this really shines through as to what
kind of person he is. And it makes Egg love Dunk even
more, just as he's worried about what Dunk thinks about him now.
All right, any final thoughts before our little outro here,
folks? And then our trivia and poll
reveals. I like the puppetry scenes.
I liked how they did the dragon blood and the dragon flame and
the BTS. They talk about how they used
kind of a real, it's not, it's kind of like a pollen, kind of
like a plant matter thing to do the fire.
And they thought that they were tickled by that because it was
very medieval of them. And I was tickled by it as well,
that it was like more similar to something they actually could
have done. And they showed about how they
made the dragon out of like a leather material on the outside.
So I love the BTS and I was pretty pleased with Sermon of
the Mirror Shield and this big dragon.
A little prediction here we have to make.
It's a hopeful prediction because if it sticks by the
book, we won't see Tanzel again. She just, she just cuts and
runs. Understandably, given what
happened, we're hoping for a farewell scene, even if Dunk
isn't a part of it. Just seeing her leave rather
than just we'd never see them again.
See her give the shield to Raymond?
I don't know. That's someone she knows.
Dunk knows. Oh that's true, They haven't
even given the shield yet. I mean she can just leave the
shield there and he comes and finds it but I would like to see
give it to drunk or someone else.
Yeah, that might be how we see her send off.
Yeah. Anyway, we hope for something
like that. So my, I wanted to finish with
a, a point about songs. There are two songs in this one.
Songs are obviously more a part of this show than perhaps other
ones. And that makes sense.
We're getting a more of a look at the common folk.
They're more likely to do some singing here and there.
It's, it's a little, you know, undignified for the Royals to do
things like this, I suppose, and a lot of the nobility.
Also in the other series, a lot of times we're seeing people in
like secret meetings or royal gatherings.
It's settings that aren't songs aren't as appropriate for where
this is constantly appropriate for song.
And and to be fair too, they did remove some songs that could
have been there. Like for example, in the scene
where Arya and Gendry and Hot Pie get discovered by the
Brotherhood, it's it's Lem and Anne Guy and Tomos Evans are
singing as they stroll. And that's why R.E.M. them hide
because they hear the singing. I don't think they had the
singing in that in that show version of the song.
They certainly had some songs in in both shows.
But it feels like the pace here is going to outstrip both shows
really quickly at this rate. And on that subject, here's
something I missed. There was a flashback scene from
episode 2. You'll recognize what I'm
talking about as I read the quote from the novella only a
few days past. He had been singing as they rode
the old song about going to Gull Town to see a fair maid.
But instead of Gull Town, he'd sung up Ashford off to Ashford
to see the fair maid. Hey ho, hey ho, Dunk thought
miserably as he dug. So we remember that scene.
You have Sir Arlen singing Hey Ho.
Hey ho, come on, Dunk. He says, you know, sing along
with me. So I I wasn't one even I was
even thinking about as yet another singing moment.
But it's both in the book and the show.
And this makes me think about one of the biggest songs we have
to look forward to that might if it's done well, which so far
their track record's great. Like I said, there weren't a lot
of songs in the originals, but some of the ones they did were
were absolute bangers. They nailed Rains of Castamere,
they nailed Jenny's song, and we have 1000 eyes in one to look
forward to. That's a song in world song.
No one's no one's ever put it to were to to tune in a way that I
thought was super memorable. Or maybe I haven't heard some of
the versions that are out there. But we're going to get an
official version not this year, but next year or the year after.
And that's exciting to think about.
The future of music in the show is bright.
Our trivia question, how old is Aryan here in the year 2 O 9?
As I said, there's no precise answer.
It's a three-year range 3 correct answers.
Those 3 correct answers are 1617 or 18.
Dunk himself is about 17. So yeah, it's interesting to
note that they're both the same age.
As for favorite moments, favorite moments?
What were your favorite Dunk and Egg moments?
I should have changed one of the poll options.
People did not know what Hello operator referred to and I still
don't think it would have done much better, but it definitely
would have done a little bit better.
I think Aziz and I both thought that was everyone knew it, but
that is not true so my bad. Yeah, anyway, so Westeros, Hello
Operator actually came in last in this poll.
A retirement plan got 24% breaking down 3 fingered Alice
was second with 30% and the breakfast sandwich plus making
plus the impressions of each other was first with 35%.
So there's no there was no slam dunk winner here, which we all
kind of predicted because all these scenes were good.
It's really hard to pick and you all apparently feel similarly.
Appreciate the participation. I think it's unfair that
breakfast sandwich impressions won because it was 2.
Incredible. Scenes to put to.
One. So I'm not surprised that that
one won. And part of the reason I did
that is because I couldn't decide which one to cut.
I would have had to cut one of them because I could only do 4
choices and I was like ah I can't, I'm going to combine
those. Yeah, I would have cut
retirement plan. You can stay with me.
However, I clearly would have been wrong to cut that because
it was the 3rd and most. Answered and yeah OK, so we will
be like I said don't forget the episode airs Thursday night
slash Friday very early morning. So we will not be doing a
preview episode this week, but I I presumably everything will be
back to normal the week after we'll be back on our regular
schedule. We have been re releasing our
Hedge Night episodes that include Sean, It's a a read
through. We did it several years ago and
those are releasing every Thursday.
They've been re mastered. They sound a lot better.
We have much better technology for editing than we had back
when those were recorded and we're able to retroactively
apply some of that. So checked out the Hedge night
replays if or watch them the first time.
If you haven't seen them yet, question or.
Listen to them yet. Was this your?
This was mine and Aziz's favorite of the three?
Was it your favorite of the three, Sean?
What was your favorite? Of the three, this.
Episode. Was it your favorite of the
three or or? No, No, OK.
Sorry, I said, you know, I'm not sure is what you're not saying
that's. Fine, I wanted a quick answer.
I don't want to get too far afield.
I just wanted to know if you had a yes or no.
It is far the most excitement in me.
I guess I'll say it, but that isn't necessarily what makes
something my favorite so. Yeah, cool.
You think about it a little more.
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So we will see you all again very soon.
Thank you for hanging out, thank you for being a big part of this
fandom and we are very much looking forward to what's next.
This show just keeps delivering and we expect the second-half of
the season to be just as strong. I have one last quick thing to
point out. Do it.
Robert Reisling when he was talking to Egg, I thought it was
humorous how Robin, not Robert, start.
Yeah, of course you. Were thinking of sweet Robin.
No, I just, it's just funny. But yeah, Rob, Robin, go on.
I thought it was interesting, humorous how he referred to
himself not only in the third person but also as we do you
remember that which makes me think he might be part of the
pluribus hive. Of course you had to get that.
In I actually thought of one last thing too.
There was one small change from the five on five that didn't
pick up on until it was revealed this episode, which is that in
the novel, Andrew Ashford and Robert Ashford lose in the first
tilt, but they both do well. They both like their father is
proud of how they did. Robert loses to Lionel
Baratheon. So like, Oh well, that's that
figures. And Andrew does really well
against Sir Tybalt Lannister. They changed it so that Andrew
wins against Thai bolt Lannister.
Otherwise he wouldn't have still been jousting, right?
He would have been out of it. So they had to change that in
order to set up this other stuff, which again, we don't
know where they're going with that.
Very curious. One last idea on that is maybe
it's a, it will be revealed that Dunk turned that down and that
will show his character and that will people will respect that or
something will go in his favor because of that.
Anyway, that's a lot of extra add-ons when we were trying to
say goodbye. So let's say goodbye for real.
Thanks to Bran for our wonderful intro, Michael Klarfeld for the
maps that you see behind us and in many of our other episodes.
And we'll see you next time. For more, you know what to do.
Until then, Valar, Reread us and then want to throw in a Valar
rewatch? Us too.
Music.