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No, it was months before. 
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won the throne at the Battle of 
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slaying rhaegar Targaryen. 
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getting the throne, they think 
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that preceded when Catelyn sees 
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she thinks he could not have 
been more than two when Roberts.

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Blue Prince rhaegar on the 
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moment. 
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decisive blow the most important
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Westeros. 
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Robert's rain. 
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the current king became king is 
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Robert dies, people still talk 
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It's still very important. 
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mental image of Robert being 
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whatever it was we don't have 
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You'd think it'd be kind of a 
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new house on the throne after 
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Sure Robert was a Targaryen 
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house. 
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coronation or does anyone else 
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And we have several 
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I mean, Jaime Cersei does give 
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but not of him being crowned, 
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it, but if she was just think 
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there. 
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new figure given his switch from
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Stannis. 
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but he doesn't think about it 
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without povs describe it, like 
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Bolton all of whom were likely 
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No, the focus Again is on these 
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the moment Robert killed rhaegar
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It became official for Ceremony 
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full of important and compelling
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discussion and focus. 
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that claim the very spot where 
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afterwards, it got the name, the
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fell from his crushed 
breastplate and people still 

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search for rhaegar's rubies to. 
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But of course so much more 
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versus rhaegar, many famous 
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some who did not and tens of 
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Other soldiers, we meet many 
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Ice and Fire who were there or 
who had family, who were people 

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whose lives and for livelihoods 
depend on the outcome. 

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Some have visible scars or 
missing limbs some suffered, no 

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physical harm but we're never 
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They gossip on the wall. 
That Donald Neu had forged 

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Roberts Warhammer quote. 
The one that crushed the life 

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from rhaegar Targaryen on the 
Trident. 

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It's even mentioned as part of 
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appendix of a Clash of Kings 
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their nickname is described 
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Quote when Robert Baratheon met 
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Trident, the phrase did not 
arrive until the battle was done

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and there after Lord Hoster 
Tully always called lord Walder.

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The late Lord Frey, and Lord, 
osric. 

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Ali was of course there and was 
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Who ordered him to be there who 
said tragic battles that put the

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continent and perhaps Humanity 
in the balance can't have a 

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little humor thrown in, right? 
All that and more on this 

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episode of history of Westeros 
podcast, Hello and welcome 

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everybody. 
It's another happy Sunday 

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another good time to be 
discussing A Song of Ice and 

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Fire. 
We're really narrowing it down 

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this time Battle episodes are 
something. 

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We've done a lot of, it's not 
the first time, but it has been 

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a while this battle particularly
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And as I indicated here in the 
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hard to have a lot of discussion
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episode. 
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it but the actual battler. 
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We know that's true. 
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troop movements and then the 
left surged forward under. 

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Yeah, we don't have that kind of
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So it is a different sort of 
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Showing. 
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your Kicking It Off. 
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get really close to these 
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I think maybe in the future we 
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Landing which came just after or
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Danny and viserys heading 
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Little things like that where 
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we haven't really focused in on 
them because there's a lot more 

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detail to be highlighted a lot 
of interesting decisions and 

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moments and well we'll get to 
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Sean got me. 
Anything special in the Cup 

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today, pretty standard Aang 
raspberry Kid protein Berry and 

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black raspberry sparkling. 
I'm using sort of in the league 

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of the color of my thermos. 
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Nina AKA good Queen, Ali. 
Good clean Ally with one L or S.

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1 1 L. 
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but yeah 1l her latest post is 
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talks. 
About how science has arguing 

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with her father. 
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Joffrey and how she might be 
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make her father stay in King's 
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leave. 
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Robert because of, you know how 
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noticed, how a lot of this is 
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felt that the time she was in 
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was stubborn about it and was a 
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you didn't want to marry him 
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and says, is afraid of because 
Santa's not faced with marrying.

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But still, Robert is worked into
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the comparison to Liana even 
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So check that post out as well 
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Really good stuff and she's got 
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as well. 
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guest next week as well to talk 
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character. 
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where we get deep into his story
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during his Reign, some guesses, 
some fun, some dreams, some 

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comparisons, real world stuff, 
other In. 

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You got it. 
We'll get there if this episode 

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ends and you want to stay 
immersed. 

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Well this episode is going to 
end. 

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It will not go forever. 
We've got you covered. 

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Yeah, it's a big up now. 
What's next? 

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The infinite stream, we will 
have you covered with 

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suggestions for topics related. 
This one also, at the end, the 

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answer to this trivia question, 
which is which participant in 

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this battle on the side of the 
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Net etcetera, slew three landed 
nights or longer Lords of the 

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narrow sea witch in The Red Bull
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First mentions, it's such a huge
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As I indicated in the intro, it 
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early in book 1 so much of the, 
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the tried. 
It not only is this Danny one, 

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we're about to quote, but it's 
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in daddy one viserys had been a 
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King's Landing to escape the 
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but Daenerys had been only a 
quickening in her mother's womb 

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yet. 
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the way it had been so often had
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Told her the stories, the 
midnight flight, to Dragonstone.

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Moonlight shimmering, on the 
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Her brother rhaegar battling the
usurper, in the bloody water, is

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the Trident and dying for the 
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He loved. 
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exaggerated. 
This is part of a cerasus 

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brooding. 
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told, Robert slang rhaegar. 
That course, that was a big deal

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that really did happen. 
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battles, tend to be in the sheer
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but for another, Robert didn't 
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And, you know, neither of them 
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When they finally came together,
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we know rhaegar did wound Robert
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may have both had a you know, 
damaged shoulder wounded leg who

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knows nothing. 
That's necessarily visible or 

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obvious, but they may not have 
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Nina says it really is almost 
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We really it really did happen 
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happening in the Rebellion 
before the Trident and a lot 

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more happening than simply these
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But it's so easy to focus on 
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like a microcosm of the whole 
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all their men around them. 
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guys, on either side, it's 
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is, almost like everybody. 
Could have just stood back and 

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just let these two go out and 
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Let's just have these two fight.
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I'm going to make a point about 
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Nina says for a little boy who 
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him that outcome of the battle 
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think about like a story without
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wartime context to it was a 
great Point. 

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Wake the saris doesn't have all 
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He was only a child when all 
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some adult to set him straight 
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I don't know that Willam, Dairy 
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So he may not have known it all 
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have exaggerated maybe in the 
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mixed in some of the same ways 
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a heavy favorite but you know he
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He had some false pretenses plan
in his mind about what it 

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actually happened when rhaegar 
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to trace out the events of them 
and harrenhal and all that not 

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too fine. 
Detail, a little bit of context 

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is important but the end result 
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So many Mysteries remain And it 
did clearly play a major role in

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sparking, the war that led to 
this battle, even if it's still 

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filled with a lot of mystery. 
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because he believed rhaegar was 
a cruel kidnapping rapist. 

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I mean in pretty much any 
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you're supposed to take quick 
and definitive action when 

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someone does that sort of thing 
to your fiance and especially in

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this society, when you're a big 
manly man who has a Warhammer 

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and stands six foot. 
Six, like everybody knows what 

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you're going to do with 
something like that happens. 

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Of course. 
Did it actually happen? 

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That's again, a separate 
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He certainly thought he did 
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villainous. 
Father just did horrible things 

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to your best. 
Friend's family, I mean, Roberts

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full of motivation here. 
You killed my best friend's dad,

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and brother, and murdered my 
spout. 

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I mean, my fiance like that's 
terrible, right? 

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We're not murder, but etcetera, 
a huge list of motivations, any 

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way you put it and in many ways,
he's so he meant really saw 

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himself as a hero and let people
saw him as that afterwards. 

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But And in many ways he really 
was but rhaegar the guy, he 

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killed may have been trying to 
save Humanity, which that's 

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probably more important if he 
was actually, right, that he was

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doing that, which is another big
open question that is not for 

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today to tackle, but is 
important to acknowledge worth 

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noting, even if he was 
definitively, if we found some 

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proof becomes clearer. 
Next book, rhaegar was trying to

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save Humanity. 
Robert still doesn't know there 

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are no, he doesn't. 
He has no clue. 

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He didn't know that. 
Even when he died, no one ever 

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told him that. 
Any point? 

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So I doubt he even heard it to 
laugh at it. 

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Like, of course, he didn't think
that. 

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That's ridiculous. 
No, I'm not even heard the idea.

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Like the it was never even 
floated to him, probably So the 

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repercussions of Roberts Victory
were immediate and long last 

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heroic Vengeance. 
He saw it was of course, seen in

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different light by House 
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There's that bit about rhaegar, 
the dying for the woman he loved

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which isn't particularly true. 
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and vice versa and he may have 
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wife, Elia and vice versa, 
despite all the drama around the

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but he didn't die for them 
again. 

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He was trying to save the world 
or something and they their 

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lives weren't necessarily even 
at stake. 

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I mean, it's not like Robert was
going to kill Liana if he won. 

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So didn't know she was about to 
die in childbirth. 

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Like for all, he knew she was 
still alive and well, she was 

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still alive. 
But anyway, that's beside the 

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point. 
The point is a Danny thanks. 

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Rhaegar was a good honorable, 
and Noble person and in some 

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ways. 
She's right? 

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So there's both sides. 
See this in black and white and 

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they're both wrong to do it that
way, but they're both also very 

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limited as to their information.
They don't have the whole story 

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so you can see why from Danny's 
point. 

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View, Robert and his ilk could 
easily be perceived as 

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villainous. 
Look, what happened? 

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Right after they won Tywin. 
Fact King's Landing Elia aegon 

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and rainey's were brutally 
killed like, how's that the good

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guys, right? 
Like from a daenerys's 

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perspective. 
Yeah, so that serves to set up 

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the cyclical, dynastic Bloods 
for Danny is thrust into from 

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the moment. 
She was born and she gets to 

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hear lines like this. 
And her first chapter, I should 

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kill the usurper myself. 
He promised I'd never killed 

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anyone. 
She killed my brother, rhaegar 

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and Lannister to the kingslayer 
for what he did to my father. 

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That would be most fitting 
Magister. 

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Illyrio said, Danny saw the 
smallest hint of a smile playing

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around his full lips but her 
brother did not notice nodding 

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he pushed back a curtain and 
stared off into the night and 

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Danny knew he was fighting the 
battle of the tried. 

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Once again, of course, he's just
imagining fighting. 

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He was not there, as we said, he
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happened. 
And he was Nowhere near it. 

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But still her first chapter 
battle, the Trident rhaegar's 

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death mentioned twice in short. 
Order. 

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Soon enough we have Jon Snow's 
first chapter and even he refers

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to the battle of the Trident 
while thinking about how 

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disappointing Robert looks. 
Like, that's the guy that did 

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that. 
Okay, all right, well, hmm. 

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I'm not some, not a pretty well,
yeah. 

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Well, he killed your father or 
John so you shouldn't be too 

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impressed at ours first chapter 
as well. 

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It features his reunions with 
Robert. 

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Net is a man who had a 
represses, his memories. 

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Yes. 
It's part of the ways chapters 

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written but many of them come 
flooding back when they head 

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down to the Crips so he keeps it
mostly to himself as is his 

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manner in General. 
Robert is pretty extroverted, 

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though. 
I sit on that. 

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Damnable iron chair and listened
to them, complain until my mind 

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is numb, and my ass is raw. 
They all want something money, 

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or lands or Justice, the lies, 
they tell my Lords and Ladies 

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are no better surrounded by 
flatterers and fools and drive a

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man to Madness. 
Ned half of them. 

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Don't dare. 
Tell me the Ruth the other half.

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Can't find it. 
There are nights. 

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I wish we had lost at the 
Trident, not truly, but I 

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understand Med said softly, what
a setup. 

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He's like, all right, you do 
understand, don't you? 

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All right, and in the king I'm 
gonna name you like. 

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Oh man. 
Yeah, he and Ned are but two of 

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the many characters we already 
know fairly. 

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Well Robert we've talked about a
lot of ready. 

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We'll have little more about him
but there's so many other 

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characters that we're going to 
talk about. 

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We're going to retrace relive. 
Imagine discuss the ones who No 

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to have been there for most of 
the characters there was the 

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biggest battle they ever fought 
in until perhaps the events of 

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the books, Maybe started to 
supplant that and it echoes 

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loudly and the current 
generation again. 

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Like I just we just read through
these several examples but it 

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also comes up in besides Danny 
1, John 1 eddard, one at R2 and 

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R3 at art for, finally takes a 
break for a few chapters until 

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Ned's leg, takes an actual 
break. 

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And then, yeah, then he has 
dreams, and it comes back, and 

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he's thinking about it again. 
It's our joy and all that stuff.

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But they're just keeps coming, 
Ned maybe stop thinking about 

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it, but Santa thinks of it once 
brand thinks of it once, or 

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twice, then a Clash of Kings 
starts or Danny announcing that 

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she's naming one of her dragons 
thusly. 

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I would name them all for those,
the gods have taken the green 

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one shall be ragel for my 
Valiant brother, who died on the

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Green Banks. 
The Trident there's a lot more 

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examples, but I think you get 
the point and some of you few 

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more of them will pop up here 
and there, but let's get a 

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little bit more to it. 
But first Nina's going to 

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mention here that there's a good
amount of inspiration, For the 

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battle of the Trident from the 
Battle of Bosworth field Battle 

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of Bosworth field was basically 
the final battle of the wars of 

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the Roses at least the early 
stages, when Richard was killed,

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and that's very similar because 
Richard was like a bit of like a

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rhaegar figure and they didn't 
actually fight Henry and Richard

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did, they were really close to 
each other. 

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Like Nina says, within feet of 
each other. 

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It was the decisive battle. 
It was the battle that got 

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Henry, crowned King of England. 
And of course, And this is the 

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plantagenet dynasty. 
So there would be 300 years of 

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plantagenet rule, which is kind 
of the opposite where this 

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ended, 300 years of Targaryen 
rule, but the similarities are 

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there. 
There's even Richard, supposedly

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yelling, traitors traitors, 
traitors as he's killed, which 

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red Garden to, but are, he's his
father did. 

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So you can see some inspiration 
Robert, I mean, George rather 

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big fan of that period of 
History. 

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So anytime there's thing that 
seem similar there, it's a 

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pretty good likelihood, he's 
taking inspiration Sean, you 

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noticed a few other Actions as 
well there. 

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Yep, there was a Lord Stanley, 
it was ostensibly on the side of

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Richard and he was there with 
his armies but when they started

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fighting he held back and one of
his sons was in Richards Retin-A

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and and he threatened him, he 
sent a message, like I'm going 

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to have your son executed if you
don't join a battle and he 

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responded got other Sons is that
remind you of right is as bare 

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as water fresh. 
It's also. 

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But finally What happens? 
And I think this is key to some 

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other thoughts we have here, is 
that Richard there's details of 

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the battle like, how they split 
up into three sections and warm.

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So I was outnumbered in the 
shape of the field and stuff, 

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but Richard identified Henry on 
the field and decided to just go

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for him just to charge with his 
Cavalry and thought if he could 

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just take Henry out he might 
just end the whole battle which 

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I wonder if that's part of what 
rhaegar was. 

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I believe there's a very good 
chance. 

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You're right about that, they 
were data already been focusing 

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on Robert prior. 
That battle. 

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So it makes sense they would 
continue with that strategy. 

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But anyway, when he when he does
this that's when Stanley finally

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comes in and helps Henry, I'm 
saying because Richards been 

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separated from the rest of the 
forces he realizes. 

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Like, I can decide this battle 
at this moment. 

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Oh, he's trying to decide this 
battle. 

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I can decide this battle because
he's trying to say. 

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Yeah, it's like it may also like
Tywin kind of waiting till he 

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knows for sure how things are 
going to go and is swooping in 

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to look like make a decisive 
Victory there but make it very 

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clear what side he's on. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So Anyway, I'm sure those 
parallels. 

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I'm sure that's in George's 
mind. 

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Another character that was in 
this battle is a guy named 

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brackenbury. 
Sure. 

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That name has got to be an 
inspiration for George. 

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And I there's all sorts of other
stuff tied to that he this guy 

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wasn't, okay, so if you go back 
a little bit in history, the 

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thing that led Richard to its 
kind of convoluted at probably 

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get details wrong but part of 
what led Richard to being on. 

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The throne of this moment with 
two young boys who were in line 

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for Throne where honour this 
qualify. 

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Okay, and those boys as far as 
history knows disappeared, 

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there's no real solid answer. 
What happened to them, but they 

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were in a castle that 
brackenbury was in charge of and

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and then they went missing there
and so this reminds me of bran 

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or rickon. 
Hmm, like people, some people 

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boarded, they were killed by a 
gun range compared with my net. 

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Although we know what I stole 
there were two. 

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Oh right, yeah, there's all 
kinds of like, pairs of 

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potential princes that were so 
it might be responsible for 

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Having killed and one way. 
Yeah, that anyway, this is a 

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story called the princes in the 
tower. 

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There's also which George is 
also bar for the princess in the

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tower. 
Yes. 

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Yeah. 
And he stole millions of 

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parallels coming from Nason one 
last little bit, the Nina also 

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brought up later on is that 
supposedly? 

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And I also wonder maybe if this 
could be the case for robber is 

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it Henry was crowned right there
on the field that Richard's 

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Crown was found and put it right
on over into Henry, right then 

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and Eric, so maybe that's why 
there's no thought or memory of 

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some sir. 
Money later. 

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And why is that a problem here? 
As Aries is cranberries Woulda 

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still been wearing the crown or 
whatever and they would have 

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been well I guess that's 
goodbye. 

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Yeah you're right though they 
may have it may have been made 

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of kind of made a fish like our 
he's now the king he's already 

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made his claim so with that why 
Larry's is still alive. 

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I guess they probably can't say 
he's King yet, but it was it was

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had become almost a foregone 
conclusion. 

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Especially when Tywin jumped in 
and and it seems like there 

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would be some big Pomp and 
Circumstance ceremony as a 

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default I could see Robert being
like that. 

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I'm not doing all that. 
Yeah, have a tournament might 

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want to fight. 
Now, that's speaking of jokes 

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like that are Eason rhaegar, and
this Council, and everybody 

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didn't take Robert's Rebellion, 
very seriously at first, after 

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all, rhaegar was hanging out at 
the tower of Joy. 

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That's not exactly where you go.
When you think there's a serious

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Rebellion happening and the 
King's Guard were sent out to do

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anything about it, they held 
back at King's Landing or some 

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of them were with rhaegar. 
Sure aerys, had gone way too far

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with how he treated Brandon. 
Rick hard but it can be 

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resolved, right? 
It didn't have to come to war 

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well apparently not Ned, 
famously evaded, capture return 

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to the north. 
We see fighting quite a few 

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versions of this story. 
They were very ready to support 

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him though when you got home, I 
mean, the north stands for its 

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murdered Lords and they killed 
the Lord and his are, that's a 

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really big deal. 
Brandon was probably kind of 

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popular. 
The Lord Rickard was, I don't 

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know how popular he was, but he 
was the Stark in Winterfell. 

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There's nothing to indicate. 
He was some sort of fill into 

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the rest of the north so they 
probably did what they would. 

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Spec them to do, which is get 
ready to fight, Robert made it 

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back to the stormlands and 
started sorting things out down 

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there kicking butt. 
And John, Aaron was settling 

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things in the veil, because in 
none of these regions, except 

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maybe the north was it? 
Yeah, we're all for you. 

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There was definitely hold out. 
There were loyalists people who 

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stayed true to the targaryens in
all these regions again, except 

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for the north apparently 
riverlands. 

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Yes, same thing. 
Not everyone was with the 

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Tully's, the Tully's adapt 
themselves. 

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Had a long unbroken streak of 
backing the targaryens dating. 

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back, aegon, the Conqueror 
because he's the one who put 

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them in charge and so they had 
stayed loyal to that for a long 

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time until until this, Ares 
replaced his hand. 

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Oh, and Merryweather. 
I'm the grounds of allowing all 

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this to happen. 
He let it get out of hand. 

447
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,900
He's like you were too slow to 
do anything about it. 

448
00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:22,000
Are he started getting paranoid?
Like maybe, he's maybe. 

449
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,700
This guy is involved. 
He should have replaced himself 

450
00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:28,200
for allowing, okay. 
Now, that's, that's the right 

451
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,900
move, right there. 
Sean, you guys, now, remember or

452
00:22:30,900 --> 00:22:33,600
00 and Merryweather is the 
grandfather of Orton 

453
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,700
Merryweather, who is the one who
is married to Tatum tayna 

454
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:42,000
Merriweather who is, you know, 
intriguing with / against? 

455
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:44,000
Cersei. 
They're quite a bit in the 

456
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,800
latter stages of the books, and 
it's good stuff, but also not 

457
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,700
very related to this. 
So then are he's appointed Jon 

458
00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:52,700
connington who he saw his kind 
of a counter to her Robbie's 

459
00:22:52,700 --> 00:22:56,300
like, ah, you've got a storm 
Lord, who's young and energetic 

460
00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:58,500
and a great warrior. 
I've got a storm Lord, who's 

461
00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:01,600
young and energetic and a great 
warrior and mine has red hair. 

462
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,400
Well that didn't help. 
It was an interesting play, but 

463
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,700
it didn't work. 
Cottington was a little too 

464
00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:08,900
concerned with being a hero. 
He wanted to kill Robert 

465
00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:11,400
himself. 
Hmm sounds familiar. 

466
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,800
It sounds like something you'd 
Just mentioned Sean, he wasn't 

467
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,800
concerned with killing Robertson
much, as doing it himself, which

468
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,600
is something he laments later, 
something that Blackheart toyne,

469
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,200
disabuse, him of his false 
memories. 

470
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,700
Like, know you really did screw 
that up, Tywin would have just 

471
00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:30,100
burned the town and that would 
have been that. 

472
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:35,200
And the reason it was a big 
mistake was cottington was in a 

473
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,300
hurry. 
He was trying to stop all these 

474
00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:40,200
various factions from linking up
into one big army, that would 

475
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,400
have been a huge disaster. 
In fact it was a huge disaster 

476
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,300
because those armies did link up
connington was unable to prevent

477
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:49,500
that and that led to the battle 
of the Trident. 

478
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,700
So the battle, the bells of all 
the skirmishes and battles. 

479
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:56,400
And other things that happened 
prior is at least from Jon 

480
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,200
connington perspective, 
arguably, even from a Mainline 

481
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,200
perspective, it's wouldn't have 
happened. 

482
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,800
If things had gone differently 
and here's his memory of 

483
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,100
exactly. 
That 17 years had come and gone 

484
00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:11,800
since the battle of the Bells, 
get the sound of bells. 

485
00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:16,000
He's bringing still tied, a knot
in his guts, others might claim 

486
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,500
that the realm was lost. 
When Prince rhaegar fell to 

487
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,500
Robert's Warhammer on the 
Trident, but the battle of the 

488
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:25,500
Trident would never have been 
fought if the Griffin had only 

489
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:30,500
slain, the Stag there in Stony 
cept, the bells tolled for all 

490
00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:35,300
of us that day for Aries and his
Queen for Elia of Dorne and her 

491
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:37,900
little daughter for every true 
man. 

492
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,800
An honest woman in the Seven 
Kingdoms and for my Silver 

493
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,900
Prince and of course he was 
fired and exiled. 

494
00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:48,800
It's a little bit melodramatic 
obviously and he's but he's 

495
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,000
absolutely right. 
That a massive number of things 

496
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,200
hinged on the battle, on the 
result of the battle of the 

497
00:24:53,208 --> 00:24:55,600
tried it and he was the one of 
the few people that could have 

498
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,700
stopped the battle of the 
Trident happening the first 

499
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:59,300
place. 
It's not something he can really

500
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:02,700
blame on other people that much.
It's really just a few things 

501
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,200
uup. 
Only people have the power to 

502
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,500
change what happened here. 
Then it all comes back around of

503
00:25:06,508 --> 00:25:09,900
course, for him with Baris and 
young Griff and the plot there. 

504
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:11,800
But again a bit outside of the 
scope. 

505
00:25:11,900 --> 00:25:15,000
Pope of today but it is another 
thing that was created because 

506
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,700
of this very specific way, the 
battle of the Trident went. 

507
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,300
Meanwhile this after the battle 
the bells is, when while 

508
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:26,400
connington is getting exiled Jon
Arryn, Mary's Lysa Tully and a 

509
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,800
tard Stark, Mary's Catelyn Tully
and boom, that Alliance is 

510
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,900
locked in and ready to go. 
By the time rhaegar was marching

511
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:34,900
to fight at the Battle to try 
it. 

512
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:37,500
And he'd already condemned the 
targaryens, as the ruling 

513
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:40,200
dynasty of Westeros Nina rights.
And why is that? 

514
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,700
Well, it's because this War 
began. 

515
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,800
With tyranny Aires this, his 
execution of Brandon and Rick 

516
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,600
are, there's just no 
justification for that. 

517
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,500
It was not the act of a, just 
king of a sane King. 

518
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,900
It violates a number of 
traditions and laws as well as 

519
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,900
just pisses people off and he 
didn't stop there, right? 

520
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:04,500
He demanded the heads of Ned and
Robert which is like wait why 

521
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:09,100
what did they do? 
So there was no real settlement 

522
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:11,000
to be made. 
This is obviously an irrational 

523
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,900
thing and you an understand why 
people would rebel against that 

524
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,300
but rhaegar rather than saying, 
look my dad screwed up, he 

525
00:26:18,308 --> 00:26:21,300
shouldn't have done that. 
He's like, nope, what my we're 

526
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:22,900
going to March, we're going to 
defeat you. 

527
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:25,200
You Rose up against us, we're 
going to defeat you. 

528
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,300
There's no your rebellion was 
just, we're going to negotiate, 

529
00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:32,200
their didn't seem to have been 
any attempts there to talk. 

530
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,100
Maybe they were. 
Maybe they were already past 

531
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,900
that point, maybe it was just 
not feasible. 

532
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:41,700
Maybe we don't hear about that. 
But rhaegar's basically, by 

533
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,700
Getting an army together and 
choosing to fight Robert. 

534
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:48,000
He's basically saying know what 
we did was right, you gotta live

535
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,500
with it and that's that's not 
gonna sit well with a lot of 

536
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:54,400
people is it Shawn? 
It's not, but I don't know if 

537
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:55,900
the flip side would sit will 
either. 

538
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:59,800
I don't know if this is totally 
a bad plan rigorous part, he 

539
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,000
might still have had some 
intention to negotiate, but he 

540
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,400
can do it better with one 
Victory under his belt, right? 

541
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,300
If he can like it or not, get 
more sport of his own. 

542
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:11,400
People behind this negotiation, 
you might have more leverage 

543
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:13,600
Strawberry. 
Whoever in a negotiation, if you

544
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,300
can win one key battle, he also 
might have been somewhat one 

545
00:27:17,300 --> 00:27:20,500
formed and everything that had 
happened and had pressures of 

546
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:23,400
words around him. 
I'm like, I'm not saying he was 

547
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:25,800
absolutely justified in 
immediately riding off the 

548
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,500
battle. 
Like if he had gone and killed 

549
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:30,500
his own dad, like maybe that 
would have been more justifiable

550
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,000
boat. 
Would he now be a hero and 

551
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,700
everyone would accept him as 
king, if he killed his own dad, 

552
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,200
kingslayer and kick like what is
he supposed to do? 

553
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,700
It seems like this is the 
default correct thing to do. 

554
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:44,300
Do and other things that maybe 
he could have should have done, 

555
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,600
he still could potentially do 
after this, if you hadn't been 

556
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,200
killed, like if he had won this 
battle, he might have been able 

557
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,900
to do all the things we wish he 
had done. 

558
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:53,000
You know, that makes a lot of 
sense. 

559
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,300
And I my next Point here is 
comes from a similar angle, 

560
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:59,200
which is that after winning the 
battle of the Bells, they were, 

561
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,300
they were in a position to 
negotiate. 

562
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,200
They look we're serious and 
that's what made them made the 

563
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,800
Loyalists. 
Take them more seriously was oh 

564
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,000
wow, they want a big battle 
here. 

565
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,500
And now they've done these 
marriages and have a big army, 

566
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,400
okay? 
Let's talk, but it went straight

567
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,000
to. 
Let's kill Robert as quickly as 

568
00:28:14,008 --> 00:28:16,100
you can. 
It appears to be like regular 

569
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:18,500
gets an army together as quickly
as possible and then goes right 

570
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:21,000
for Robert, maybe it's more 
complicated than that, but that 

571
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,800
seems to be a pattern. 
We're identifying is that just 

572
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,900
getting rid of Robert was really
just that was their way to cut 

573
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,000
the head off the snake. 
This whole thing goes away and 

574
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:34,000
they were more focused on that 
than maybe the justice of 

575
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,100
Roberts cause or why people were
upset or other things areas have

576
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:39,600
been because obviously Aries is 
Injustice. 

577
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:42,500
Were nothing new. 
This was a peak of his 

578
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:46,400
injustices but he had burned 
people to death before and done 

579
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,100
all sorts of other awful things.
This was just maybe the 

580
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:53,500
culmination and to be fair it's 
not like if they kill Robert the

581
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:56,400
whole thing goes away because 
Ned and his allies are still 

582
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,000
upset about what happened to but
they no longer have a telnet. 

583
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,500
Hey, we messed up. 
We're removing Aires from the 

584
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:04,600
throne. 
I'm in charge. 

585
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Now, I'll make you hand. 
I wonder if especially if you 

586
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,800
consider Like prophecy type 
stuff if rhaegar would have been

587
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,300
like look the north can be its 
own kingdom, you know, will give

588
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,500
you earn it. 
There's all kinds of plays that 

589
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:20,500
you potentially could have made 
that would have ended this war, 

590
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,700
but we didn't get a chance for 
that to happen. 

591
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,900
Bottom line, I guess you could 
say is that it didn't have to 

592
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:28,800
come down to another battle or 
had Robert, rig are both 

593
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,600
survived that battle. 
That may have been big. 

594
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,800
Maybe couldn't stop. 
After that said, okay look, 

595
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,500
we're both strong. 
Let's not just Slaughter each 

596
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:37,800
other, you know, you see where 
this is going. 

597
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,300
We're two equally matched. 
Uh, so Roberts claim was 

598
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:42,900
announced sometime after the 
battle of bells. 

599
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:46,400
We don't know when it was made 
official but it was probably 

600
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,600
kind of obvious before that we 
already know connection was 

601
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,300
trying to specifically kill 
Robert before, Robert even 

602
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:52,900
announced the claims. 
It was kind of obvious. 

603
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:55,500
For one thing, Robert was such a
charismatic leader for another 

604
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,300
thing. 
He's a cousin to the targaryens.

605
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,100
So the writing on the wall is 
there. 

606
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,000
If anyone was going to be king 
out of the group of Rebel, there

607
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,200
was very clearly, it didn't take
his claim to make that known, 

608
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,700
the claim just made it official 
I suppose. 

609
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:12,400
But he didn't realize how much 
you hate the job after her. 

610
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:14,500
He was thinking about, like, 
maybe they're going to make me 

611
00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:17,300
king before it was official, at 
some point, it just came up. 

612
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,500
It realize it through the way 
people were talking or like it 

613
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:22,400
just became up as I wonder when 
that moment was for him. 

614
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,800
Personally, you know what 
they're going to make me King 

615
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,200
aren't there? 
I'm going to be king are not 

616
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,300
your minds a little bit of 
George Washington to that. 

617
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:35,500
He, you know, was probably the 
most clearly identifiable leader

618
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:40,100
after the war for independence. 
But The we didn't even have a 

619
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:40,800
constitution. 
Yeah. 

620
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,000
It was like years later before 
we had an election for 

621
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
President. 
And at the Constitutional 

622
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,500
Convention for George Washington
wore, his full military regalia 

623
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:50,500
every single day. 
He wanted to make sure everyone 

624
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,300
remembered that, he was the 
leader, you know, it wasn't, I 

625
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:55,700
don't know if it would have been
a given that he would win if he 

626
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,300
wasn't at least passively 
campaigning for it, you know. 

627
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,100
Yeah. 
So Nina points out that there is

628
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:03,700
a lot, but points to Robert that
just makes it clear. 

629
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:06,300
It's not just obvious, it's 
obvious for specific reasons. 

630
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:09,000
Not just, he was wronged by what
happened? 

631
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:12,000
Juliana personally, although 
obviously Liana and the Starks 

632
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,900
were wrong because, well, I 
agree with more, but clearly he 

633
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:19,000
was wronged as well. 
And there's also just his first 

634
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,500
notable Act of Bravery. 
When Gall Town, didn't rise for 

635
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,800
Jon Arryn, when he declared 
called the banners, he attacked.

636
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:32,400
All towns have keep them loyal 
and to bring them back into the 

637
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,300
fold and Robert was the first 
one over the walls and he killed

638
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:38,200
Mark Grafton personally. 
So it's like, whoa, this this 

639
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,700
guy's real shows, Nina says that
it quite possibly was the first 

640
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:45,200
moment where Robert really 
started to shine and it wasn't 

641
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,800
from a very early point and then
he just continued to shine and 

642
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,200
rise and rise and rise from then
on until it was just kind of 

643
00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:51,700
obvious. 
It's something like, yep, that 

644
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,300
must be. 
This is the guy But even without

645
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:59,000
that, even, without Roberts 
perspective or even without the 

646
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,400
Kings stuff, the paddles huge, I
mean, he's still there, still 

647
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400
the Revenge, they're still, you 
stole my fiance there. 

648
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,000
So you killed my friend's father
and brother, like all that is 

649
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,800
still burning in him even if you
take away the other stuff. 

650
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,000
So Gathering the arms, this is 
an important step after the 

651
00:32:16,008 --> 00:32:18,800
battle the bells, of course, it 
couldn't just rush to King's 

652
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,500
Landing, they had to do those 
marriages have the ceremony. 

653
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:24,900
Even if they were rushed, they 
had You know, still has to be 

654
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:27,500
made official and the troops 
have to be gathered, they have 

655
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:29,700
to get their food together and 
decide where they're going to 

656
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:31,900
go. 
Meanwhile, the targaryens are 

657
00:32:31,908 --> 00:32:33,700
doing the same thing. 
Like, oh, we better take this 

658
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:37,200
seriously, let's get the troops 
together, send people out to 

659
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,100
various regions to gather 
Prinsloo and Martell of Dorne, 

660
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:44,200
who was in The King's Guard, was
sent to Dorne to bring 

661
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,100
dornishman Jamie notes that are 
he's reminded Lewin, Martel 

662
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:51,600
gracelessly that he held Elia 
and sent him to take command of 

663
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,500
the 10,000 dornishman coming up 
the kingsroad so, Ares was still

664
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:01,200
like racist towards the 
dornishman and treating, his 

665
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,700
in-laws treating, his 
grandchildren, and his 

666
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:07,000
daughter-in-law, terribly and 
antagonizing them. 

667
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,600
He just kind of like the way he 
antagonize Tywin, when he really

668
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,700
shouldn't have. 
He just thinking that the throne

669
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:15,100
would protect him or I don't 
know. 

670
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:18,100
It's a weird thing for paranoid 
guy to do but he's also not all 

671
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:19,600
there. 
So his actions don't have to 

672
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,600
make sense. 
That's the mind of a partly 

673
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,600
insane or fully insane person 
doesn't have to be. 

674
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,100
Irrational. 
In fact, it's distinctly not 

675
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,300
rational. 
So he's kind of using melee as a

676
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:33,200
hostage here and Shawn. 
We talked at length about how 

677
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,900
more Al is really important 
battle. 

678
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,700
What's the level of morale you 
would have expect from these 

679
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:39,700
dornish soldiers under a 
circumstance like this where the

680
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:44,200
king is demanding this and has 
treated Elia badly in the past 

681
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,000
and made these racist comments 
like how good your think they're

682
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,300
Morales here? 
Less how the Laughing nice. 

683
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:56,900
His answers better than. 
Yeah, you're not going to top 

684
00:33:56,900 --> 00:34:01,100
that with a disaster apparently.
Clearly, what do we need you for

685
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,000
just kidding? 
Yes. 

686
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,200
Yeah. 
That pretty much Nails it 

687
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,500
though. 
Yeah. 

688
00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,100
I like, they would not be at 
their best, whereas the rebels 

689
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,199
just cause like they killed his 
brother. 

690
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,900
Like, that's so like easy to get
behind, you know? 

691
00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:18,000
One of my thoughts is the 
probably, the average Soldier 

692
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:20,800
wasn't aware of that. 
Like, if they would have one 

693
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,600
speaker leaders, they went tell 
everyone that right? 

694
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,900
They did theirs. 
They're not all like watching a 

695
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:28,800
news and checking their phones 
to see what the king says, 

696
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,100
right. 
They would only know from what 

697
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,500
the leadership tells him and go 
leaders went till Men first 

698
00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:36,300
place, but the leaders wouldn't 
have good morale given that and 

699
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:39,400
the soldiers, whatever they 
think about the king aren't 

700
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,100
gonna have the best morale after
marching hundreds of miles away 

701
00:34:43,100 --> 00:34:45,600
from their country, to some 
other, you know, they're leaving

702
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,699
their families and our Farms 
behind to go fight for some 

703
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:52,100
other king that, you know, even 
if they don't know these 

704
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,600
specific details, it's kind of 
new for the money. 

705
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,700
Relatively you know, they have 
this more pride in Dorne than in

706
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:00,500
Westeros and yeah morale 
wouldn't have been that high in 

707
00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:01,700
the first place. 
I don't think so. 

708
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,700
And even with that Ares was 
still not very trusting of them,

709
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:08,600
he still gives them the whatever
the they're not sending their 

710
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,500
best attitude of these 
dornishman coming into his 

711
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:15,200
country, even though it's part 
of his country already, you 

712
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,100
know, he's Harry's, you know, 
there's no accounting for this 

713
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:20,600
guy really but connections 
forces weren't entirely 

714
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,400
destroyed. 
They were aren't, there was men 

715
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,100
here and there and it seems like
John Derry and barristan selmy 

716
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:30,800
were likely in charge of getting
that back together because all 

717
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,800
the other kingsguard are 
accounted for and someone went 

718
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,500
and did this, we know that three
of the kingsguard were at the 

719
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:39,300
tower of joy and one was Jaime 
Lannister who never left as are.

720
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:43,000
He's kept him by his side for 
the same reason that he kept Ely

721
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,700
but its side it didn't work in 
either case really but it's what

722
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,600
he thought would work. 
Nina says it might have been 

723
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,000
unconscious. 
Good luck for the crown at this 

724
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,800
stage that it's two remaining 
King's Guard. 

725
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,800
Members were both River Lander 
and storm Lander of 

726
00:35:55,808 --> 00:35:57,900
respectively, John Derry 
barristan selmy. 

727
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,000
So that that had it was a 
feather in their cap for not all

728
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,800
the Loyalty going in one 
direction towards Robert or 

729
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,900
posture Tully a respectable. 
There's definitely a lot of 

730
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,400
oomph behind those two houses. 
And some people might choose to 

731
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,100
be loyal with especially if 
barristan selmy is staying 

732
00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,000
loyal, then you know, I'm 
staying loyal Etc. 

733
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,500
Things like There's proud Noble 
figures to stand behind even if 

734
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,000
Aries isn't a good one. 
Good example, they say like well

735
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,100
we're yes it's now you know 
areas maybe not isn't it great 

736
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:31,300
king but the last thing we need 
is to change at the top, like 

737
00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:33,100
the targaryens just keep it the 
same. 

738
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:36,000
We don't need to have a new 
leader that who knows what 

739
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,500
that'll be. 
You know, people could look 

740
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:39,600
ahead to rhaegar be like, Aries.
Once he's dead rhaegar. 

741
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,800
I'll be in charge, it'll be 
fine. 

742
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,100
You know, we just got to get 
through this. 

743
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:45,300
So, Robert doing his thing in 
the stormlands, meanwhile, 

744
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:48,300
rhaegar takes command of the new
Crown lands levels there. 

745
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,400
Actually levying new man to 
fight this battle. 

746
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,400
And here is a quote the kind of 
refers to when you're talking 

747
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,500
about earlier Sean about how 
maybe things could have gone a 

748
00:36:56,508 --> 00:37:00,700
little differently Gregor had 
put his hand on Jamie's shoulder

749
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:04,400
when this battles done. 
I mean to call a council changes

750
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,400
will be made I meant to do it 
long ago. 

751
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,400
But well, it does no good to 
speak of Roads. 

752
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,000
Not taken we shall talk when I 
return. 

753
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:17,600
Those were the last words. 
Rhaegar Targaryen ever, spoke to

754
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,500
him. 
Outside, the gates and army had 

755
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:25,000
assembled whilst another 
descended on the Trident, so the

756
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,600
prince of Dragonstone mounted up
and donned his tall black home 

757
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,900
and rode forth to his Doom, he 
was more right than he knew. 

758
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,100
When the battle was done, there 
were changes made. 

759
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,400
Oh, yeah. 
And Jamie was part of, you know,

760
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:45,000
it never clicked in my mind till
just now that quote, he doesn't 

761
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
say when the war is done. 
He says, when the battle is 

762
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,700
done, Boy. 
Good boy. 

763
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:51,100
You're right. 
He wasn't even gonna wait for 

764
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:53,400
the war to, you know, whatever 
it was he playing. 

765
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,500
But I'm guessing at least part 
of it was removing areas from 

766
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,200
the throne. 
Yeah, that's some sort of. 

767
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:01,700
Let's make him Advocate. 
Yeah, I totally agree. 

768
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:03,600
I mean, there's all the evidence
that rhaegar was already 

769
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,800
planning this with Tywin and 
with other things. 

770
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,900
And yeah, I mean, that's the 
whole nother story but yes, 

771
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:11,100
there is evidence that his the 
too little too late thing or the

772
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,300
roads. 
Not traveled thing was referring

773
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:17,100
to that, like, yeah, I was going
to but I was busy at the tower 

774
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:20,300
of joy. 
You know, and also, and yeah, I 

775
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,400
can imagine, it's a tough 
decision to make for a son to 

776
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,500
remove his King from power and 
it might be controversial. 

777
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,500
And as a default, the kingsguard
might not allow it. 

778
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,900
However, I think the kingsguard 
would have allowed and I think 

779
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:38,000
that they would understand like 
we're protecting the throne, the

780
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,800
realm, like this man. 
Aries is not necessarily. 

781
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,900
None of them liked what they 
were responsible writer. 

782
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:47,500
So me does not like that. 
He stands there and watches 

783
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:49,400
Aries burn people. 
I don't think regular would have

784
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,400
had to try to Jamie freaking 
killed himself. 

785
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,400
Like, yeah, he doesn't feel 
right like maybe two or three of

786
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,800
the kingsguard to sense and 
maybe there's a battle and two 

787
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,000
or three people died but I think
at the end, one way, the other 

788
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:00,900
areas is awful. 
Yeah. 

789
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:02,400
I mean he hasn't said those 
three with him. 

790
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,300
Yeah, I don't think there would 
come a battle either because I 

791
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,600
don't think rhaegar would have 
been pushing for his father to 

792
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,400
be killed. 
He would have been, you know, 

793
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,600
right? 
Yeah, retirement, little castle 

794
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,100
somewhere and put some guards on
him and all that. 

795
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,500
And that's dangerous, that 
someone could weaponize let him 

796
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:19,200
keep issuing commands and just 
got this act like Showing them 

797
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,400
areas might not even be aware 
that he's been removed. 

798
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,500
They just walk him off into some
chamber. 

799
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,200
Styrofoam learn today. 
This is nice. 

800
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,500
Yeah, just let him think he's 
still in charge. 

801
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:33,500
Yeah, I was too little too late 
though. 

802
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,600
As regards its. 
Yeah, it does no good to speak 

803
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,300
of Roads. 
Not taken. 

804
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:37,300
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

805
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,800
It's too late unless you like 
fan fiction. 

806
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:40,400
I. 
Yeah. 

807
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:43,800
It's been. 
It's been your opportunities are

808
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,600
endless. 
Let's talk about who the 

809
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,100
combatants were on the Run. 
Both side. 

810
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:51,800
We've got Ned Stark, we got 
Robert Baratheon, we got Jon 

811
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,400
Arryn. 
We got Hospitality Roose Bolton 

812
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,500
Wyman, manderly Crow, food 
Umber, and his two sons Serb 

813
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:00,600
Artemis of the wool stand the 
one-legged night. 

814
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,300
Apparently he saves Amanda Lee 
his life during this battle 

815
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:05,600
according to him. 
That's but that's why he got the

816
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,000
will stand. 
You know, he's got some evidence

817
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,800
to back that up. 
Like what did he do to deserve 

818
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,300
that? 
Well, according to him, it was 

819
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,000
save his Lords life Rickard 
karstark was there. 

820
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:15,600
We don't know if he was a lord 
yet, but he was, there may have 

821
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,500
been fighting alongside his 
father or if he was already the 

822
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:20,400
Lord then He would have been 
leading the karstark forces 

823
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,400
himself. 
This is something he refers to 

824
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,700
when he's about to get executed.
He's like, you know, I fought 

825
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:27,900
beside your father etcetera, 
Roose Bolton. 

826
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,200
Oh, I already said respond 
Jorah, Mormont would have been 

827
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,200
there more on that later. 
He would have been the Lord 

828
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,200
because his father, probably 
already abdicated speaking of 

829
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,500
advocating and took the black, 
but he hadn't been knighted yet 

830
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,800
interesting. 
He got knighted after the 

831
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,400
Greyjoy Rebellion. 
So that's another seven years 

832
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,600
later. 
So, dark probably didn't do a 

833
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,400
whole lot in this battle. 
Least not enough to get 

834
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,400
knighted, but Northerners don't 
get night at a lot anyway, so 

835
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,800
I'll Soul incorporate was there.
This is the famous moment in, 

836
00:40:53,800 --> 00:41:00,000
which he got lady forlorn. 
His father was fighting and got 

837
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,000
wounded and Lynch Scoops up. 
The family blaring steel blade 

838
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,300
and goes on and does Great Stuff
with. 

839
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:10,100
In fact, he's the one that kills
Prinsloo and Martel although 

840
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,900
apparently Lou and Martel was 
injured, right? 

841
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:17,200
If I call it great stuff, he 
gets to claim. 

842
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,900
Yeah, he's right here. 
That's terrible. 

843
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:21,200
Yeah, but at least he was on the
right side. 

844
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,300
He was on the good guy. 
Sideline Kerber is a pretty bad 

845
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:24,800
too. 
But Haley, she fought on the 

846
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,200
correct side my opinion. 
Maybe not the correct side, the 

847
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,700
side that's going to end the 
world, right? 

848
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:32,700
Maybe not the correct size. 
Yeah, I have mixed opinions on 

849
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:35,700
whether I think once I one side 
was truly the most righteous 

850
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:39,300
yeah, from their perspective, it
seemed awfully righteous. 

851
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:43,700
But with other details it's like
well, so we Lionel corporate who

852
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:46,800
is the elder and who is still 
mad that he didn't get the sword

853
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,800
because he did inherit the It 
may have been there too but 

854
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,800
maybe not because that's why he 
didn't get the sword. 

855
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,700
I don't know. 
Jason master was there another 

856
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,100
another badass from the 
riverlands so there's a lot of 

857
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,000
just there's a plenty of other 
Lords that we could name. 

858
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,200
That were probably there. 
It would probably get a little 

859
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,100
old going through every single 
one of these and trying to 

860
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,100
figure out who was there. 
Not guessing whether they were 

861
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:09,100
what age, they were not but 
there were a lot of large there 

862
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,300
we did say, if we finish this 
podcast, that's right. 

863
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:15,100
But keep in mind. 
A lot of the may not have done 

864
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:17,700
much like Jorah, he may not have
done much that the way the 

865
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:22,300
battle Laid out, Robert kills 
rhaegar and maybe a lot of the 

866
00:42:22,308 --> 00:42:25,700
guys may not have ever drawn 
their sword or swung it anyone 

867
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:27,800
you know they did may have been 
over relatively quickly where 

868
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,900
that's another yet another 
detail were not entirely clear 

869
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,600
on even how quick the battle 
went. 

870
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:36,000
So even to having been there, 
they may not have done much some

871
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,200
of them certainly did but others
yeah, not so much worth noting. 

872
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:43,200
It might not have been super 
quick but I don't think it could

873
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,000
have been too long because that 
would have been mentioned. 

874
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,100
If it was like a four-day battle
name, you know. 

875
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,800
Reese morning. 
When the sun came up, it resume,

876
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,700
that would be part of the 
stories and it's not will be 

877
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:53,800
hard to forget that. 
Yeah. 

878
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,500
Like, after on the fourth day, 
Robert. 

879
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:57,500
Yeah, I would have been your. 
Yeah, I think you're right about

880
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,700
that, on the loyalist side. 
So the rebels had fewer men 

881
00:43:01,300 --> 00:43:05,400
total but they had their men had
been fighting battles throughout

882
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,500
the war. 
Whereas the Loyalists arm here, 

883
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:13,000
most of the soldiers, had not 
fought in a battle you or if 

884
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,300
they had it with some other 
battle long before wasn't, in 

885
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,100
this war, the dornishman to 
10,000 dornishman hadn't fought.

886
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,700
Anything yet, the crown, Landers
who that the combined force that

887
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:24,000
fought about the bells, the 
survivors from that battle did, 

888
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:27,600
but like the crown lands levees 
complete rookies. 

889
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,700
A lot of them, probably some of 
them had maybe never liked their

890
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,900
think of the guys dunk was 
training and in the Sworn Sword 

891
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:34,900
him. 
Some of them might be like at 

892
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:38,600
that level and had two weeks of 
training at most, you know, 

893
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,100
something to distinguish that 
there is another Factor like the

894
00:43:42,107 --> 00:43:46,600
having experience and training 
to our big factors but not 

895
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,100
having it doesn't mean you can't
win. 

896
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:51,500
Imagine if those guys that dunk 
was trying to train or 

897
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:53,600
passionate about the cause, 
yeah, they weren't. 

898
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,000
That's another Factor. 
Yeah, one of the first battles 

899
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,300
in a revolutionary were Battle 
of Bunker Hill. 

900
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,900
It was just a bunch of farmers. 
This is bunch of American Farms.

901
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:03,600
You never been any battle 
against battle trained and 

902
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,100
experienced Redcoats, and 
reddish ended up winning that 

903
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:09,000
battle. 
But they got into Retreat to 

904
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,300
times like two times the British
charge and Americans fought them

905
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:13,400
off. 
They charge again and fought 

906
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,900
them off, find the third time, 
they took the hill or whatever, 

907
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:20,200
but point is it rookie. 
An experienced Farmers with 

908
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,200
their Spears and rakes or 
whatever they can win. 

909
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,600
If they really believe in a call
and I think that they're more 

910
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,000
likely to have really believed 
in the, cause on the rebel side 

911
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,800
because from again, without the 
magic stuff, which the farmers 

912
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,600
don't know about that, like, hey
Robert, Ned didn't know about 

913
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,300
that stuff. 
Yeah, I wouldn't The Peasant 

914
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:37,900
Farmers on one side or the 
other. 

915
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:39,900
They rhaegar's folk wouldn't 
know that either. 

916
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:44,100
So the 10,000 dornishman led up 
by insults and threats. 

917
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,300
They don't meet this description
but maybe some of them did but 

918
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,200
certainly some of the rebels. 
I did I would think so the 

919
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,000
rebels probably had more of that
fire. 

920
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,100
Yeah. 
Thing every Stark Soldier is 

921
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:57,000
passionate about spray burned, 
our Lord to death and and 

922
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,300
strangled her son. 
I mean that's gonna fire you up 

923
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:00,900
in this context. 
Is this setting? 

924
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:04,200
Yeah, they're they're mad big 
man and and justify can 

925
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,400
understand it. 
So goal town was may be brought 

926
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,800
back into the fold of the 
errands. 

927
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,800
They may not have been too 
excited about their place in the

928
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,100
Battle of, considering what they
were forced to switch sides. 

929
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,000
We find out at some point during
arya's traipsing around. 

930
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:20,400
Around the riverlands or perhaps
it's, yeah. 

931
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,300
I think it's our is traipsing 
around riverlands, with the 

932
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:24,200
Brotherhood without banners, 
where there's some ruined 

933
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,900
Villages and it's revealed that 
posture Tully had chem come down

934
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,800
on some of his own people 
because they stayed loyal to the

935
00:45:32,808 --> 00:45:36,100
king and he had to go tack them.
And that to this day, that 

936
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:39,300
causes some issues of course to 
this day is only 15 16 years 

937
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:41,700
later. 
So, you can understand why a 

938
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:44,200
bill is being burned down. 
It hasn't been the same since 

939
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,000
even if it was rebuilt, partly. 
So other houses Mouton, that's 

940
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,100
Aiden pool. 
They were that's a riverlands 

941
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:53,300
house but they stayed loyal. 
Rhaegar Squire. 

942
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,600
At one point, was Sir Myles mood
and he was killed in the battle 

943
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,000
of the Bells. 
They had good incentive to stay 

944
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:00,900
on the Targaryen side house, 
Reiger and good Brooke were two 

945
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:04,100
of the examples of houses that 
historically with the war with, 

946
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,500
in his own realm. 
Dairies, of course, John 

947
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:09,900
dairies, when the kingsguard so 
that's a riverlands house, you 

948
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:13,500
can see why they stayed loyal. 
Darius had the Targaryen 

949
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,500
tapestries still hang even in 
the time of Robert, the Wentz is

950
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:20,700
a big question for me. 
That's the house that the ruled 

951
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:22,500
harrenhal the time. 
I don't know what side they 

952
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:27,000
took, but there's evidence that 
the whence were backing rhaegar 

953
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,200
that they were behind the 
tournament harrenhal that they 

954
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,300
were the proxy for the folding, 
the tournament handle, which 

955
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:34,800
would very clearly put them on 
the side of the Loyalists, 

956
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,100
especially given one of 
rhaegar's. 

957
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:40,100
Three, most trusted kingsguard 
was Oswell went. 

958
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:43,100
So yeah. 
That seems like a safe that 

959
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,800
also. 
You have the survivors about 

960
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,000
Bell's, like I said, a bunch of 
crown lands are sorry crack 

961
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,400
Appoint houses, which are in the
crown lands fought for the 

962
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,900
targaryens Brianne. 
Here's this, when she's in that 

963
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,300
area, Boggs broun crab houses 
like that. 

964
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,000
And a very large host of 
Richmond. 

965
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,800
This is the perhaps, the most 
important part of the army, 

966
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,700
because it is more of a standard
nightly Army that is pretty 

967
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,400
loyal to the targaryens. 
You got a story of randyll tarly

968
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,700
sending the head of I forget 
which Lord some stormlands 

969
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:19,800
house, Catherine, I think. 
It was to Aires after winning a 

970
00:47:19,808 --> 00:47:22,700
small battle there that Mace 
Tyrell took credit for. 

971
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:24,800
Yeah. 
And of course, he was missing, 

972
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:27,200
there's no Lannisters, no 
phrase. 

973
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,000
Much of the stormlands is out of
it because they had fought each 

974
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,200
other and were depleted product.
Bring up most people in the chat

975
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,000
brought up the idea that, you 
know, Catland Brothers, a went 

976
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:39,900
minister went maybe that makes 
it question mark for went, but 

977
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:42,300
that would point to them siding 
with the totally. 

978
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,000
That is a good point. 
Yeah, that is a tricky one and 

979
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,500
makes it more likely with it was
a kinship that they would have, 

980
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,500
but I don't know. 
And also, just the proximity 

981
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:53,500
would be tricky for them to, I 
mean, not harrenhal is one of 

982
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:56,100
the closest house has to wear 
the battle was fought. 

983
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:57,600
Yeah. 
When it was this Castle, so they

984
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,200
would wouldn't be one of those 
where they could be. 

985
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,500
Like, let's just stay neutral 
and maybe they did because they 

986
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:03,300
possibly, they didn't have much 
help. 

987
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:05,200
Send at this point, but probably
they did. 

988
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,600
I'm guessing? 
Because of the rhaegar stuff, 

989
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,900
they were more likely siding 
with him. 

990
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:11,900
But you're right, there may have
been, a may not have been a 

991
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:14,600
full-throated defense. 
I may have been a one foot in 

992
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,600
each Camp kind of situation and 
we pointed out in the beginning 

993
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,000
that There wasn't clear Unity 
among any may be anywhere, 

994
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,100
except the north. 
Right. 

995
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:22,700
Yeah. 
That's true. 

996
00:48:22,700 --> 00:48:23,800
That's true. 
It might have been people in the

997
00:48:23,808 --> 00:48:25,500
riverlands on both sides. 
Yeah. 

998
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,200
There was also, or from 
harrenhal or the wind Stephen. 

999
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,200
I don't know how many family 
members enter when's but I can 

1000
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,700
imagine at least some of their 
Bannerman being split on 

1001
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:34,800
different sides. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1002
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,600
There is what think of the 
blackfyre Rebellion? 

1003
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,100
Is where your neighbor might be 
on the other side of you 

1004
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,900
battles, you where's that would 
rarely be the case in other 

1005
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,200
contexts. 
But here and then another big 

1006
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,700
part of the reach Army was not 
there though as much as there 

1007
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:49,500
was a large contingent of. 
Are the other really large 

1008
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:52,400
contingent was besieging storms 
end where Stannis was held up 

1009
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,900
the whole, this is where the 
onion Knight incident occurred. 

1010
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:58,100
So those troops maybe could have
been put to better. 

1011
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:01,300
Use up it the tried it. 
But that's not what happens. 

1012
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,600
Ironborn course were took no 
part. 

1013
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,800
At least this part. 
They did jump in at the end 

1014
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,000
which will mention also at the 
end but they played no role at 

1015
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,400
this stage. 
I'm going to one of the ironborn

1016
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,800
on my side. 
Yeah. 

1017
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,100
Well I wouldn't have one of them
on the others. 

1018
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,500
People's side either know if 
it's if it's Neutral, that's 

1019
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,100
good. 
But like better than them on our

1020
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,400
side than on their side. 
I don't know. 

1021
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:29,600
I'm just used to take some of 
them out so if regard one, just 

1022
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,300
a quick question where I can 
answer this question is when to 

1023
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:33,300
throw it out there for y'all, 
maybe discussion the chat or 

1024
00:49:33,308 --> 00:49:35,500
just consider on your own. 
What would have happened to the 

1025
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:39,100
Wildfire caches? 
Now, every set them before the 

1026
00:49:39,107 --> 00:49:40,900
battle of the Trident, he sent 
them after the battle the 

1027
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:42,300
builds. 
So it's one thing. 

1028
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:44,600
If he had, just set them right 
after his foot, his son was 

1029
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200
killed like, oh, I'm to set the 
Wildfire, you know. 

1030
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:48,500
But he'd already Done. 
That. 

1031
00:49:48,500 --> 00:49:51,500
Which is a little surprising, 
but it shows his level of pair. 

1032
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:53,900
He's very prepared. 
Paranoia man. 

1033
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:57,600
Paranoid, man. 
So I guess what he have would 

1034
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,600
regard as have, had them removed
or varies feathers, like okay, 

1035
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,800
so Roberts dead, so we can take 
these caches back out now or is,

1036
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:05,900
are he's going to leave them 
there? 

1037
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:07,900
Like I matter, leave them there 
in case I need them for 

1038
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:10,400
something else, in case I need 
to detonate the city for some 

1039
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,200
other reason would Jamie of told
someone with Jamie like hey, hey

1040
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,500
gar, dude. 
Your dad's got Wildfire stashed 

1041
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:19,000
all over the city. 
That's what I think would 

1042
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,500
happen. 
I think Jamie would have told 

1043
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,000
someone it might've been pretty 
girl would have dealt with it. 

1044
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,600
Would have maybe proceeded to 
the A big Forest abdication from

1045
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,800
that stage, but which may have, 
although that may have been his 

1046
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,300
cue to light, the wildfires like
you want me to step down. 

1047
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:34,700
I'll show you. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1048
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:36,500
Do you might have still killed 
Aries? 

1049
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:41,600
Terra Incognito who is regular 
child meet up. 

1050
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,400
She is not Incognito. 
Good, thank you, reveal. 

1051
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,900
That she is not read dunk and 
egg the dunk and egg series. 

1052
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:49,600
My God. 
What are you waiting for, please

1053
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,700
do it. 
You love it so much. 

1054
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,700
I promise you sir. 
I think if I had to choose 

1055
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:57,000
George finishing Song of Ice and
Fire or dunk and egg. 

1056
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,500
I think I might choose that 
might be Blasphemous sounding to

1057
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:03,400
some people, Tara just got one 
of the shirts from our 

1058
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,900
threadless shop. 
Yeah. 

1059
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:07,200
In the mail, lunch people in the
chat, I've gotten their shirts 

1060
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,700
that they want from our trial by
Theory episode. 

1061
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:14,500
So yeah, those were working out 
well, for you, folks, and on 

1062
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,100
that trial, by Theory episode. 
We also we were talking about 

1063
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:20,600
the idea of working and how 
powerful you have to be. 

1064
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,600
It could people do it from a 
distance or thing about whether 

1065
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,700
or not Rob could have gone into 
Shaggy Dog or I'm like that. 

1066
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:27,700
And we just neglected to 
mention. 

1067
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:30,400
How are you organs? 
And I'm here from far away lies.

1068
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,400
He's on a different continent. 
Yeah, great Point. 

1069
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,100
Very good point. 
So it's at least a potential and

1070
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:38,500
re isn't some master wizard, so 
I hope she could do it. 

1071
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:41,600
Maybe Rob could do it then. 
George James has in the 

1072
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,900
riverlands, what has me curious 
as whether the Blackwood sided 

1073
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:45,900
with Robert or Eric's. 
I think if they were approached 

1074
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:49,000
our Gary and the bracken's would
bring it up constantly but Ares 

1075
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,700
was Beth, blackwood's grandson. 
Yeah, that is a tough one. 

1076
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:54,100
Yeah, we don't know. 
I wonder if that's got a 

1077
00:51:54,107 --> 00:51:56,600
question if you ask George You'd
probably like he probably would 

1078
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,400
defer or demure and not give a 
straight answer, but he might, 

1079
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,800
he might have it in his mind. 
That's a, that is a good point. 

1080
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,700
I'm not really sure they, maybe 
maybe they just sat out. 

1081
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,100
It's a really good. 
It's a poser. 

1082
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:09,000
I don't know how their lord of 
Benders. 

1083
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,800
She probably had like a boy, 
Lord right then. 

1084
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,900
And as easier for them, you know
what I mean? 

1085
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,600
I don't recall. 
If sometimes you have a child 

1086
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,000
Lord, tytos Blackwood, I mean 
titers black was old enough to 

1087
00:52:19,008 --> 00:52:20,800
have been lured, then he's 
gray-haired. 

1088
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,600
But doesn't mean his father 
wasn't alive? 

1089
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:23,500
Yeah. 
Mmm. 

1090
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:25,900
There's maybe something he says.
Dad. 

1091
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:28,900
It could be the same thing where
you have like an agent Ward like

1092
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:31,400
you know, an old Lord. 
So that that's the same thing. 

1093
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,000
Like if you have a Boy Child 
Lord or like a dying Lord, like 

1094
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,400
sometimes you don't get involved
because we have an outdoor not 

1095
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,400
getting. 
Oh yeah. 

1096
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:42,400
It seems likely the bratva 
Brackins and blackwood's fought 

1097
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,000
in the War and they probably 
followed their Legions Lord. 

1098
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,600
I mean I'm guessing that that 
might be why no one brings it up

1099
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,200
because they both fought for the
same side? 

1100
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:50,500
Yeah, I know what I mean. 
Yeah. 

1101
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,200
One of those times where neither
of them to hold it over the 

1102
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,800
other because they both, Okay, 
side. 

1103
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:58,300
Yeah, we pot calling the kettle 
black, whatever. 

1104
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,700
Yeah. 
But that's a good. 

1105
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:01,300
It's probably the kettle black 
wood. 

1106
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:06,600
That's what happens. 
If the black woods and kettle 

1107
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:07,200
black. 
Sever. 

1108
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,900
Murdered a God house kettle. 
Black wood. 

1109
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,800
Okay. 
Zonals sunchaser is until 

1110
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,600
sunchaser says any ice and fire 
con survival tips going to my 

1111
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,500
first one this year. 
Hey, hopefully you're getting 

1112
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:23,200
you get there on Thursday 
because they have a Thursday 

1113
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,900
nights. 
Kelly party. 

1114
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,800
Doesn't that advertised but I 
like it's a fun thing. 

1115
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,400
Any thoughts from you? 
Sean, I've three tips one is, it

1116
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:38,100
could be windy and 40 or it 
could be 78. 

1117
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,200
Be prepared, especially for the 
tournament, which is out. 

1118
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:46,600
Doors are for a swing of whether
a few days before your trip to 

1119
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,700
prepare, but also be aware that 
it might the forecast might 

1120
00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:52,400
change drastically even those 
few days. 

1121
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:54,100
Number two? 
Yeah. 

1122
00:53:54,100 --> 00:53:56,600
What's that's? 
Another tip I would give is and 

1123
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,400
it might be easier, said, than 
done for some people. 

1124
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,200
But I'll just be friendly just 
at me. 

1125
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,100
Every I'm telling everyone there
is there to meet new people and 

1126
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:06,100
to hang out and tell stories. 
You know, just don't be afraid 

1127
00:54:06,100 --> 00:54:07,300
to me. 
You'll be among the harder you 

1128
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:07,900
went away. 
Yeah. 

1129
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,400
This is yeah. 
You may never know. 

1130
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,300
You may not have Something like 
that before being around people 

1131
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:16,300
who were deeply Into A Song of 
Ice and Fire but it really is 

1132
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,800
something else in a good way. 
Very, very, very good way. 

1133
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,500
It's the tree that Sean died and
three is that the location is 

1134
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:27,600
about an hour away from the 
airport and pretty much 

1135
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,100
everything else. 
So it's worth making a grocery 

1136
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:33,000
stop getting drinks or snacks or
something like that. 

1137
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,600
Because once you're at the 
lodge, it's hard to leave it and

1138
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,000
go anywhere to get anything 
else. 

1139
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,300
There's not a lot in the way of 
like restaurants or convenience 

1140
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:41,200
stores or where's the state 
park? 

1141
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:43,700
Arc to be clear that the 
communication is at Deer Creek 

1142
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:45,600
State Park. 
So that's part of why it's, you 

1143
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,100
know, there's extra room to do 
stuff. 

1144
00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:48,600
But yeah, like you said show 
that was going to say that. 

1145
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,600
When if you didn't say those, 
yes, make sure you have there's 

1146
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,300
a fridge in your room so you can
my it's a beautiful location but

1147
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:56,300
it's not. 
There's not like a city nearby 

1148
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:58,800
like to have just like some milk
and cereal or some granola bars 

1149
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,000
for yeah, just basic stuff. 
My other thing is, I'm putting 

1150
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,100
one, I'm putting the panel 
schedule in the chat, which is 

1151
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:06,700
almost full. 
There's a few things, not quite 

1152
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:08,500
on that schedule. 
Like, there will be a history of

1153
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:10,300
Westeros meet up. 
It's just not on there yet, but 

1154
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:11,200
you can look at the panel 
schedule. 

1155
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:14,700
There. 
And I suggest going to the ice 

1156
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:16,900
breakers event. 
I think it's a great way to meet

1157
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:18,400
people. 
They do different games where 

1158
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,900
you like do thing, where you 
like put a character named on 

1159
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:24,600
your forehead and people have to
give guests who you are like 

1160
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,900
little Icebreaker. 
Get just fun little way. 

1161
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:28,500
They have a couple of them on 
the schedule. 

1162
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:31,000
I think to you will not be the 
only first time with. 

1163
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:32,100
Yeah. 
What about there was? 

1164
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:34,300
Plenty of first-timers there for
probably a couple dozen of 

1165
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:36,200
these. 
Yeah and we will be doing 

1166
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,300
Whiplash again. 
This year, two different 

1167
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:41,100
sessions of quick flash 
including Sunday night. 

1168
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:42,900
Right? 
And I'm working on a house of 

1169
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:47,100
the dragon-themed Whiplash pack 
so that'll be a pro res, good 

1170
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:47,500
time. 
I hope. 

1171
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:50,300
Yeah, it's the 10th ice and fire
con, I believe, but it's the 

1172
00:55:50,300 --> 00:55:51,900
first one. 
Obviously with House of the 

1173
00:55:51,908 --> 00:55:54,600
Dragon in stuff going on. 
So that's kind of a bit of a 

1174
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,100
milestone. 
Both 10 year and new content to 

1175
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:00,100
be mixed in. 
Yeah, I'm excited. 

1176
00:56:00,100 --> 00:56:03,600
Sean's doing his yoga Again, The
Song of Ice and Fire yoga which 

1177
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,000
he's done before, which I think 
is a pretty cool unique events. 

1178
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,900
We going to say, I think, if you
can fit your yoga mat in your 

1179
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:11,300
bag, with might be easier said 
than done. 

1180
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:13,600
And but I think first time we 
did it. 

1181
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,600
My wife contributed, some yoga 
mats to Terra who runs the 

1182
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,300
event. 
So they might have some yoga 

1183
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,700
mats on hand there. 
But yeah, well, you know, it's a

1184
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:23,400
lot of standard yoga stuff but I
just saw you. 

1185
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,400
The only the names, like, some 
are easy like Mountain pose 

1186
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:32,900
Children of the forest, water 
dancer pose. 

1187
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,600
The cast is any of it being 
streamed. 

1188
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,600
No, but they record it and they 
on the ice and fire con YouTube 

1189
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,100
channel, there will be pretty 
much all the panels. 

1190
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,500
Unless, there's technical 
difficulties are always released

1191
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:45,300
on their YouTube channel, which 
is pretty great. 

1192
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:47,000
I don't think yoga will be 
recorded though. 

1193
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,000
The flash actually, the regular 
panels will be not streamed but 

1194
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,800
recorded in post it and that is 
the last weekend of April 20 23.

1195
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,300
If you're listening in the 
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1196
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1203
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1204
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1207
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1208
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I didn't say that, but and I 
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1209
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1210
00:57:46,707 --> 00:57:50,300
little shading and gets a little
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1211
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You can tell that one's bad 
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1213
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,900
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pictures of teeth and The Wider 

1214
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:00,800
they get the more they reflected
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1215
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this is really hard to do. 
It took me a while I was like, 

1216
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,400
I'll take some pictures and I 
was like, oh my God, I can't do 

1217
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,600
this, it's so hard, but they do 
look good. 

1218
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,700
They really has made a 
difference in person. 

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You can tell Better like a lot 
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1225
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three months have passed, I 
started this three months ago 

1226
00:58:29,107 --> 00:58:32,400
could have done it in a matter 
of like two or three weeks if I 

1227
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,100
had been aggressive about it, 
but I wanted to space it out so 

1228
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:38,900
they all could see that. 
Even with time passing there 

1229
00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:42,200
were still progress. 
So it wasn't like a Short-term 

1230
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,600
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1231
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,200
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1232
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,000
name them to the kingsguard. 
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1233
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,100
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The Ruby Ford in yet another 

1239
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example of the memory of the 
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1240
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1241
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,900
searching for rhaegar's rubies 
and Sansa won a game of thrones 

1242
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,300
15 is years before is when the 
armies actually Clash there, 

1243
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:31,600
what became known as the Ruby 
for it is not far from King's 

1244
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,800
Landing. 
And what's interesting is I 

1245
00:59:33,808 --> 00:59:36,600
don't know if it maybe didn't 
have a name at all before or if 

1246
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,400
the farmer named was forgotten 
or it just got a name for the 

1247
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,500
first time because of this. 
It was the Sapphire for it 

1248
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:43,300
before. 
Yeah. 

1249
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:47,300
So under normal circumstances, I
think the distance from 

1250
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,900
harrenhal to King's Landing is 
about two weeks and this is a 

1251
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:53,100
really similar location, genuine
speaking or generally speaking. 

1252
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,800
So if they were rushing which 
they probably were cut it down a

1253
00:59:56,808 --> 00:59:58,400
few days. 
Maybe nine ten days something 

1254
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,400
like that will say what's pretty
quick that they left Kingsland 

1255
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,900
when Jamie here's that. 
Last words he ever heard from 

1256
01:00:02,900 --> 01:00:04,700
agar. 
Targaryen was probably only 

1257
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:08,800
about nine or so days before the
battle happened and as we 

1258
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,800
probably extrapolated before it 
was probably, Be a one-day one 

1259
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,100
bet. 
One afternoon type of battle, 

1260
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:16,900
not an all day, not a multi-day 
grind. 

1261
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,800
It's not clear if they were just
trying to stop Robert from 

1262
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,500
advancing on King's Landing or 
just trying to kill Robert 

1263
01:00:24,500 --> 01:00:26,300
specifically or just trying to 
win a battle. 

1264
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:28,400
And then negotiate from 
strength, right? 

1265
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:32,500
A bunch of mysteries here, both 
in their goal, their 

1266
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:37,200
decision-making, and behind all 
that is the motivation that were

1267
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,000
uncertain of we're a lot clearer
on the motivations, on the rebel

1268
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000
side. 
And most of the Loyalists are 

1269
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,800
just defending the king they 
swore to defend in the prince 

1270
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,900
they supported but rhaegar's 
motivations. 

1271
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,700
Is timing. 
That's where there's a whole lot

1272
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:52,900
of wiggle room in confusion and 
mystery and room for theorizing.

1273
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,700
As well, we must assume that 
armies of this size sent ahead. 

1274
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:02,100
Scouts, they generally knew 
where both sides were the first 

1275
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:03,800
place your. 
So they're just like, how far 

1276
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,700
away are they now? 
How far away are they now? 

1277
01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:08,000
So they probably both had a 
pretty good idea of where they 

1278
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,400
were and where they were going 
to meet. 

1279
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,300
So, I suspect Robert & Company, 
specifically play themselves 

1280
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:15,200
where they were knowing rhaegar 
was coming. 

1281
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:18,500
We're like, okay, we're on this 
side of the, the Ford they're 

1282
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:20,400
going to have to cross over the 
water to get to us. 

1283
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,300
And apparently rhaegar ordered 
the crossing straight away, 

1284
01:01:24,300 --> 01:01:27,900
almost perhaps right away, which
is very curious Roberts. 

1285
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:30,000
Army was surely happy enough to 
claim the event. 

1286
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,700
Like, we have The High Ground, 
they're gonna let us have The 

1287
01:01:31,707 --> 01:01:35,200
High Ground but why? 
Right, let's have a quote, First

1288
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:38,800
of the famous battle on the 
Trident much has been written 

1289
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,900
and said, but all know that, the
two armies Clash of The Crossing

1290
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:46,100
that would ever after be called 
the Ruby Ford for the scattered 

1291
01:01:46,100 --> 01:01:48,300
rubies on Prince, rhaegar's 
armor. 

1292
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,800
The opponents were well matched.
Rhaegar's forces. 

1293
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,900
Numbered some 40,000 a tenth 
part of which were unknown to 

1294
01:01:55,900 --> 01:02:00,700
ninth while the rebels had 
somewhat fewer men, but those 

1295
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:03,700
they possessed were tested in 
battle while. 

1296
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:08,000
Much of rhaegar's for rhaegar's 
force was raw and noon. 

1297
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:12,200
Yes, so the Army's didn't really
situation didn't really favored 

1298
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,900
rhaegar and less. 
He was overconfident in their 

1299
01:02:14,900 --> 01:02:17,300
quantity, which he's not a 
dummy. 

1300
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:20,700
He's got a big battle 
experienced guy but this is 

1301
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:23,600
Basic stuff. 
Was it his belief in destiny 

1302
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,100
that he just didn't think he 
could lose or was he just 

1303
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:31,000
regular old overconfident or 
some combination of both? 

1304
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,300
What do you think? 
Sean is kind of an odd decision 

1305
01:02:33,300 --> 01:02:36,300
to just go straight. 
You know what does this speak 

1306
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:40,500
words to say to you? 
It's possible that he knew he 

1307
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:43,800
couldn't win either way. 
Like maybe again. 

1308
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,900
It's I don't know if that 
totally makes sense, but but he 

1309
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:48,400
figured you could buy the other 
what? 

1310
01:02:48,700 --> 01:02:50,700
Yeah, like it, maybe, maybe he 
had. 

1311
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,700
Division. 
I don't know. 

1312
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:54,900
I don't know what could explain 
it, like a vision of Robert on a

1313
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:56,900
throne doesn't necessarily 
explain it all the, maybe he 

1314
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,900
thought he could change Destiny,
or maybe he thought he needed to

1315
01:02:59,900 --> 01:03:01,900
change Destiny or maybe he 
thought it was some. 

1316
01:03:01,900 --> 01:03:04,500
Maybe he knew that his father 
wasn't going to be king anymore 

1317
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:08,300
and so he's going to be king, 
maybe Robert, will he anyway, I 

1318
01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:11,100
might be getting a little ahead 
of myself because I think I 

1319
01:03:11,107 --> 01:03:14,500
hadn't known this later but I 
will say here now that I think 

1320
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:19,000
there's at least a strong chance
that he thought he could just 

1321
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,600
end it if he were able to kill. 
And just went right for ya and 

1322
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,100
it may be all the rest of the 
armies and the battles, you 

1323
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,900
know, weren't relevant, or he 
didn't care about, you know, 

1324
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:31,800
it'll handle it themselves or 
I've got generals, I can 

1325
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,000
everybody knew Robert LED from 
the front by that point 

1326
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,100
probably. 
So maybe I'm counting on that. 

1327
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,800
Yeah, one of the things I think 
is interesting is that we don't 

1328
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,800
know how many forces the rebels 
had we know it. 

1329
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,900
Was it last? 
Yeah, just last. 

1330
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:45,800
Yeah, right. 
But was it 10 percent less or 

1331
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,200
half as many and and that could 
add to it. 

1332
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,900
Also if they did significant 
frequently outnumber them, 

1333
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,800
right? 
Let's say that was close to an 

1334
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,400
even match except they had 
10,000 extra donors. 

1335
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,200
From then rhaegar might have 
been a little more Reckless 

1336
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,000
seems like we're going to win 
this anyway. 

1337
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,900
Just charge. 
You know, it might not be the 

1338
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:06,600
most efficient more people would
die than they should but that 

1339
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,900
won't even matter if I Could 
Just Kill Robert, you know. 

1340
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:10,900
Yeah. 
Actually if there was a moment 

1341
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:14,400
when he saw what he saw this, 
here's my chance car, maybe it 

1342
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,900
wasn't an additional plan, but 
he took the opportunity 

1343
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:19,400
initiative their archers weren't
ready. 

1344
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,600
He could identify Over on the 
battlefield and just it go quick

1345
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,100
down moves. 
Let's just do it now. 

1346
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:26,900
However, it is very distinct on 
the battlefield. 

1347
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:29,300
It's hard as it is to see people
on a battlefield like there 

1348
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:31,900
would be his banners nearby and 
his giant home and his just 

1349
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:37,200
giant self quick little side 
note Henry and Henry Richards 

1350
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,400
battle at Bosworth. 
He got off his horse and just 

1351
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,400
went in amongst the men like he 
was trying to keep himself from 

1352
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:48,500
being identifiable and it wasn't
necessarily cowardly, but he 

1353
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:50,800
just wasn't a soldier. 
He wasn't a warrior of any And 

1354
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,500
he was like a financier and a 
student. 

1355
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:56,400
And like he was like an 
intellectual Richard was, 

1356
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,800
Richard was a soldier and 
battle-hardened, Warrior, and 

1357
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,000
Richard. 
Like there's Henry, let's go get

1358
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,300
him and here's a crap. 
Big deal, I don't want to fight 

1359
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:08,300
him and enrich almost got right 
to him. 

1360
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:11,700
Like we said earlier, he was 
with him like a Arm's Reach of 

1361
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:12,100
it. 
Really? 

1362
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,800
That's wild. 
You wonder if there was anything

1363
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,000
like that going on, but we'll 
get to that in a minute with 

1364
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,600
like, regards kingsguard and 
maybe Roberts close. 

1365
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,100
Then but so Crossing or here's 
what I'm this is why the let's 

1366
01:05:24,100 --> 01:05:27,100
lay out a little more why this 
decision to just charge or to 

1367
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:30,200
advance cross the rivers, a 
little curious crossing rivers 

1368
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,900
hard even when it's the Ford. 
Maybe the Ford was really 

1369
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:35,400
shallow and they expected it to 
fill up and they like okay this 

1370
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,200
is the weather now is our best 
chance because of the situation 

1371
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,900
of the water level. 
If you're taking a situation, we

1372
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:44,300
have two nights of average 
ability, one of them standing on

1373
01:05:44,308 --> 01:05:47,700
the riverbank and one of them is
standing in the mud trying to 

1374
01:05:47,707 --> 01:05:49,900
climb out of it ranked. 
It's pretty obvious who has the 

1375
01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:52,800
advantage here now Take that and
multiply it by a thousand or 

1376
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,100
whatever. 
However, many nights are lined 

1377
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:57,900
up on the bank, waiting for the 
other guys to try and cross. 

1378
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:01,300
It's also pretty clear if you 
think about who has the 

1379
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:03,800
advantage with archers, the guys
who were moving forward, are 

1380
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,300
going to take more Arrow shots 
than the guys who were standing 

1381
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:08,300
in a fixed position shooting at 
the ones who are approaching 

1382
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:10,100
them. 
So the advancing Warriors have 

1383
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:15,700
to take more Arrow fire. 
Now recall edmure stopping Tywin

1384
01:06:15,700 --> 01:06:19,300
at the Battle of the Fords even 
though Rob didn't want him to he

1385
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:22,100
did it really effectively and 
Tywin had a lot more men than 

1386
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:24,600
but they were very staunch with 
their defense. 

1387
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:26,600
The Fords found all the 
different spots. 

1388
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,100
The Taiwan may try to cross town
was looking for other places to 

1389
01:06:29,107 --> 01:06:32,700
cross and edmure, really 
effectively defended those and 

1390
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:34,800
Catelyn, watched it pretty 
similar. 

1391
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,700
I think maybe there was a little
bit of a pre-battle like this, 

1392
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:40,600
where rhaegar trying to find a 
way across and Robert was 

1393
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,400
effectively stopping them. 
So like, all right, well, we 

1394
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,400
can't find a way across. 
We're going to form our army 

1395
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,500
into a fist and force a 
Crossing. 

1396
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:49,800
Or maybe to give regular more 
credit. 

1397
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,100
Maybe this is the spot that 
Robert didn't have prepared. 

1398
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,800
Well, maybe that's why he chose 
this spot The Archers weren't 

1399
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,400
ready. 
He maybe the banks were muddy on

1400
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,600
the far side and not the near 
side or something like that. 

1401
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:02,800
Why not take a defensive stance 
and force Robert across? 

1402
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,800
Why when I go elsewhere, why 
not, why be in a hurry at all. 

1403
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,800
There are reasons, there are 
reasons for that. 

1404
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,800
So let's try to answer that one 
is. 

1405
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,100
Yeah, maybe he's just he's just 
really concerned with killing 

1406
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:15,600
Robert as quickly as possible to
save as many lives as possible. 

1407
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:20,600
That's a maybe a Sara Lee 
friendly, take 4 on rhaegar, but

1408
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:24,100
They didn't want Robert to get 
away either, maybe Robert would 

1409
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,000
withdraw get more troops and 
then he's a bigger army. 

1410
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,000
They met that might have been a 
concern that if they don't take 

1411
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,500
him out. 
Now he's going to be hard to 

1412
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:34,200
take out later. 
Perhaps rhaegar believed, yeah, 

1413
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,900
rhaegar perceived, the messaging
favored. 

1414
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:41,800
Robert this guy's the hero here,
you're the villain, you know, 

1415
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,200
maybe rhaegar perceived that the
way people were talking. 

1416
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,600
It's not hard to see the way his
dad behave that people might 

1417
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,900
prefer. 
The young energetic, just hero 

1418
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:53,400
here like, We don't want that 
word to spread more and more 

1419
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,200
people might join his side, but 
an even bigger. 

1420
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,400
Open question is Tywin, Tywin, 
was in the field with an army, 

1421
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,900
nearby ish. 
It's just sitting there so 

1422
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:11,800
rhaegar's like hmm, if he thinks
tywin's on his side he might 

1423
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,500
advance and then if Robert fleas
has got nowhere to go because 

1424
01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:16,800
Tyler is nearby. 
And if he sits there maybe he's 

1425
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,600
afraid Tywin joins Robert. 
I don't know what was he was 

1426
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,100
thinking, but there's no way 
tywin's Army wasn't part of the 

1427
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:27,000
consideration of both sides 
because they had both of them. 

1428
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,399
Probably knew he was there out 
there. 

1429
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:32,000
He wouldn't have been that far 
away and again Scouts and all 

1430
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,800
that there. 
Looking for other armies. 

1431
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,600
And they're gonna be worried 
about some other Army 

1432
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,100
approaching from here or there. 
Who knows who's on whose side? 

1433
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:39,600
At this point, there's 
definitely people that might 

1434
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,600
switch sides or haven't declared
yet so that he'll have to be 

1435
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:47,700
wary about things coming from 
other places especially with 

1436
01:08:47,899 --> 01:08:49,600
like the ironborn. 
Not taking a side. 

1437
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:50,700
Yeah. 
Like maybe they would have taken

1438
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:52,300
a side at some point. 
You got to watch out for that. 

1439
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:55,500
So All these things. 
Maybe he's worried about what 

1440
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:58,899
his dad will do back in King's 
Landing to Elia to his other 

1441
01:08:58,899 --> 01:09:02,300
people of King's Landing, he 
murders Jamie or maybe Jamie 

1442
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:04,100
murders. 
Him time was not on his side. 

1443
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:05,500
There's a lot of arguments that 
show. 

1444
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:08,399
Okay, I can see why rhaegar was 
in a hurry here, but maybe he 

1445
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,200
was just too eager to go back to
pregnant, Lianna the tower. 

1446
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,800
Join me, or, or again, some 
combination of all these three 

1447
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,500
things are all these many 
things, right? 

1448
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:19,200
It's really hard to decipher 
through which is most important 

1449
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,700
to rhaegar, which other facts 
because we're also probably 

1450
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:23,300
missing some details to right. 
Sean. 

1451
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:27,899
Yeah, lots of things that we 
sort of suspected or details, it

1452
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:31,500
George could give us, you know, 
just some, someone present at 

1453
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:35,300
the Battle just needs one line 
of dialogue saying, but storms 

1454
01:09:35,300 --> 01:09:39,000
were covering and and soon the 
Ford would be come across table,

1455
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,399
you know, something like that 
would explain why he had or 

1456
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,399
thought you needed to go. 
Right then or, you know, again, 

1457
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:48,200
I suggested a couple times, it 
may be just The Archers weren't 

1458
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,300
prepared, you know, it specially
for a girl, was moving quicker 

1459
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:55,500
than the scouts anticipated and 
only was there and robbers like,

1460
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,100
oh crap. 
We don't have her defenses up 

1461
01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:58,700
yet and riggers. 
Like, hey, there are other 

1462
01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:00,400
defenses up yet. 
All right, let's just go. 

1463
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,800
Now, you know, yeah, even if 
there was an element of 

1464
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,800
recklessness or uncertainty, 
there might have been just 

1465
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,000
enough for him to like things, 
he thought we weren't going to 

1466
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,500
go his way. 
We're going his way, and he just

1467
01:10:12,500 --> 01:10:15,600
sees the moment, you know. 
So I agree with you in general. 

1468
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:16,800
I would say that. 
We don't know what the Pacific 

1469
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,500
sorry, but it's probably not 
just dumb. 

1470
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:21,700
Like, he probably had a reason 
or multiple reasons. 

1471
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:24,900
It may have been the wrong. 
Based on all the different 

1472
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:28,400
factors, but I'm definitely 
going to guess that he just was 

1473
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,900
rash about it, but that is 
possible. 

1474
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,900
It's also the type of thing, it 
like hindsight's 20/20 and 

1475
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:39,400
Victor gets the right history. 
Like, if rhaegar had one, if 

1476
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,800
Gregor had beat Robert hero, 
which hang? 

1477
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,100
Yeah. 
And it seems like it wasn't like

1478
01:10:44,100 --> 01:10:47,300
Robert easily overpowered and it
seemed like a close match, your 

1479
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:48,800
Robert, pulled it out in the 
end. 

1480
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,400
So, it seems, like if things 
went slightly differently, if 

1481
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,100
someone got a little lucky or 
unlucky, Or maybe the only 

1482
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:55,600
reason I ever lost was he got a 
little? 

1483
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,700
I'm like his horses no slept or 
something like that and if he 

1484
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:03,300
had won it is to be we be 
wondering why do Roberts stay 

1485
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:05,600
back in a defensive position. 
Why didn't he crossed the for 

1486
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,100
you? 
Yes, very good point. 

1487
01:11:08,100 --> 01:11:10,100
Yeah, there and with all that 
with so many unknowns it's 

1488
01:11:10,100 --> 01:11:12,900
something that you know I'm a 
little skeptical will hear a 

1489
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:15,000
whole lot more about. 
I'm not sure George needs to 

1490
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,800
give us more detail about 
whatever happened at the Battle 

1491
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,300
of the Trident and there were a 
lot of witnesses so it 

1492
01:11:19,300 --> 01:11:20,100
definitely could. 
Come on. 

1493
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:22,000
There's plenty of opportunity 
for it. 

1494
01:11:22,008 --> 01:11:23,900
I don't know if you will, I 
don't know if you Do, I don't 

1495
01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:25,200
know if he thinks it's 
important. 

1496
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:29,000
Oh, I understand being skeptical
of it but we've gotten so much 

1497
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,600
so consistently. 
I don't know. 

1498
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,100
Yeah, Preston is good to give 
us. 

1499
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:34,900
It hasn't stopped one thing that
will probably give us more 

1500
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:36,300
information. 
I don't know what the lines 

1501
01:11:36,300 --> 01:11:38,700
update is, but there's the stage
musical about Robert's 

1502
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:40,200
Rebellion. 
That's in the works. 

1503
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,200
Very good point, already know 
about this. 

1504
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,400
Yeah, I don't know how I assume 
that would have the battle of 

1505
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,100
the Trident and George is 
involved in that. 

1506
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:49,100
So I do think that we have a 
very strong likelihood of 

1507
01:11:49,108 --> 01:11:52,300
getting a lot more context for 
this in musical form. 

1508
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:53,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1509
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:55,700
Yeah, George is supposed to be 
involved in that directly. 

1510
01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:58,400
I think he has been writing the 
script for the musical, I 

1511
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:59,700
believe. 
That is really cool. 

1512
01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:01,400
So yeah, he's gonna have to 
think about somebody thing. 

1513
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,600
Maybe give us some answers, so 
that's, that's really cool. 

1514
01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:05,900
Because if it came from someone 
else, you may not be sure that 

1515
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,100
beat my heart to be accepting it
as Canon, but comes from George 

1516
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:11,800
says, going to be really hard to
not count as care. 

1517
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:16,400
Yeah, I should be clear. 
Actually, it's unclear the scope

1518
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,300
of the musical, it is about the 
tourney of harrenhal, so it 

1519
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:23,300
might end, it might really be a 
very like self. 

1520
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:25,700
Contained thing. 
I kind of assumed that it would 

1521
01:12:25,708 --> 01:12:28,000
go past it. 
But now that I think about it, I

1522
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,100
think it's actually the 
tournament. 

1523
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:30,300
It's okay. 
So we wouldn't see the, like the

1524
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:31,500
tried entering. 
Yeah. 

1525
01:12:31,500 --> 01:12:33,000
Okay. 
I think I don't think it would 

1526
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,900
still. 
Maybe I'll give us contacts. 

1527
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,500
Yeah. 
Not as much as we would have 

1528
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:39,600
won, but a lot could potentially
someone else could look back on 

1529
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,800
it. 
Bran or Dare anyone really 

1530
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,400
especially brand but Danny is a 
strong candidate because she's 

1531
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,900
already dreamt of it as will 
see, as well get to. 

1532
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,200
So, there's all these takes all 
the people who were there. 

1533
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,300
There's some eyewitness takes 
most of them come from Nobles. 

1534
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,200
Here's a pretty precious one 
because it comes from someone 

1535
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,000
who was not a high-ranking 
official. 

1536
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,600
Not a lordly lord or a night. 
Yes, barely. 

1537
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,800
But on the border of being a 
hedge Knight, its elder brother 

1538
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:12,500
from the quiet Isle, here's his 
quote and I died in the Battle 

1539
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:14,600
of the Trident. 
I fought for Prince rhaegar 

1540
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:17,400
though, he never knew my name. 
I could tell you why, I saved 

1541
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,600
the Lord, I served served, the 
Lord who served the Lord, who 

1542
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,200
had decided to support the 
dragon rather than the SAG. 

1543
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:26,900
He had had he decided elsewise I
might have been on the other 

1544
01:13:26,900 --> 01:13:29,100
side of the river but it was a 
bloody thing. 

1545
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,600
The singers would have us 
believe it was all rhaegar and 

1546
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,900
Robert struggling in a stream 
for a woman. 

1547
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:36,700
Both of them claim to love, but 
I assure you other. 

1548
01:13:36,700 --> 01:13:38,900
Men were fighting to and I was 
one. 

1549
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,200
I took an arrow through the 
thigh and another side of the 

1550
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,400
foot and my horse was killed 
from under me. 

1551
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:46,900
Yet I fought on. 
I can still remember how 

1552
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:49,400
desperate I was to find another 
horse for a head. 

1553
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,100
No coin to buy one. 
And without a horse I would no 

1554
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:55,200
longer be at night. 
I was always thinking of truth 

1555
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,600
be told, I never saw the blow 
that felled me, I heard who's 

1556
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,300
behind my back and thought a 
horse, but before, I could turn 

1557
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:05,300
something slammed into my head 
and knock me back into the river

1558
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:07,100
where by rights, I should have 
drowned. 

1559
01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:09,700
So that's probably our best 
account from a non-noble. 

1560
01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:14,000
It's lengthy, it's weighty. 
It's tells us a lot shows us 

1561
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,000
what was on his mind. 
It shows us, he wasn't loyal to 

1562
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,300
either side really he just got 
dragged into this. 

1563
01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:21,200
It shows us that. 
Yes, crossing the river was 

1564
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,600
difficult, he took multiple 
Arrow wounds, which is You're 

1565
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,300
saying the crossing the river 
that puts you at Great Peril of.

1566
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:30,000
That's when The Archers would be
most at their most dangerous and

1567
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,200
you're Crossing into that, I 
would guess that there were a 

1568
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,400
lot fewer Arrow wounds on the 
side of the rebels because they 

1569
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,800
were holding a fixed position on
the one side of the river. 

1570
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,900
So guys like this we're waiting 
into that and it is it says here

1571
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:44,600
he was I don't know what I was 
fighting for a woman they claim 

1572
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,500
to love like he's not even 
mentioned, the throne here not 

1573
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:50,400
even talking about the crown. 
That's a really important that 

1574
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:52,900
this soldier from a soldier's 
projected. 

1575
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:56,300
That's what He perceived this 
was about fighting over a woman 

1576
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:01,200
fighting over love which is like
are we wired 80,000 ish people 

1577
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,300
fighting over that? 
I can understand that. 

1578
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:08,300
It's not that what he did was 
wrong or what she did was right.

1579
01:15:08,300 --> 01:15:12,400
But this is a bit much for a 
domestic dispute. 

1580
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,000
Kind of situation from his 
perspective, might seem like 

1581
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,600
that and it cost him everything.
Now he's in a, he's happy with 

1582
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,800
where he ended up. 
He's like I found, peace and God

1583
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,300
and all this other stuff and 
that's great. 

1584
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:27,200
But he feels lucky. 
He's like, I should have died 

1585
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,600
like, most of the people I was 
with weren't as lucky as me. 

1586
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,000
They did die. 
I was strong in that helped me 

1587
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,500
survive. 
The wounds. 

1588
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:38,400
I had taken other people weren't
so lucky or weren't so strong, 

1589
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,300
and didn't make it. 
And that's why he says, when I 

1590
01:15:41,308 --> 01:15:43,300
died at the Battle of the 
Trident because it's kinda like 

1591
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:45,800
he's born again. 
He was baptized in the water and

1592
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,700
brought out. 
This was kind of one of the 

1593
01:15:47,708 --> 01:15:51,500
clues for sand or being alive. 
Is he says the Hound is dead but

1594
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:54,200
Bubba, you know it's like 
fucking Sandor, Clegane. 

1595
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,300
However that's of course, 
another story. 

1596
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,000
Again I think my thoughts on 
morale of the dornish people. 

1597
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,300
Like this guy is like, I don't 
know. 

1598
01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:06,600
I serve some Lord who serves 
some other Lord, who was on this

1599
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,900
side, like the people in Dorne, 
they don't know, they're even 

1600
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:12,700
farther removed. 
This guy's closer to home of 

1601
01:16:12,708 --> 01:16:15,800
this battle if you will. 
But people from Dorne, they 

1602
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,300
might not even know the name of 
the king. 

1603
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:21,000
I guess they probably know that 
the targaryens, but yeah. 

1604
01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:23,800
But I'm just saying they're 
farther removed, they would feel

1605
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,500
less commitment, or loyalty or 
meaning behind this battle. 

1606
01:16:27,700 --> 01:16:28,800
Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

1607
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:32,100
And it's the such a yeah, think 
about it from. 

1608
01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:34,300
I love thing about him is 
perspective is heart wrenching 

1609
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:36,900
as it can be. 
It's really important to take a 

1610
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:38,800
look at all the different 
perspectives we can get like, 

1611
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,900
yeah, what. 
It seems like to Rick right? 

1612
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:42,200
Reger thinks the world is in the
balance. 

1613
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,800
Robert thinks his honor and 
Justice in his what's been done 

1614
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,800
to his friends in the balance. 
This guy is like two guys, 

1615
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,900
fighting over a woman is that 
really why we're here? 

1616
01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:54,000
You know, like and then Not 
sharing the full picture because

1617
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,500
they don't know it, so these are
all valid but they're not means 

1618
01:16:57,500 --> 01:16:58,500
different things to different 
people. 

1619
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,700
Nina, mentions, Raymond Ares, 3,
older brothers also died at the 

1620
01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:06,200
Trident, which makes it a pretty
bad day for house Dairy. 

1621
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,000
They lost three male heirs and 
the king of their famous 

1622
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,700
kingsguard brother. 
We're not sure how Jonna for 

1623
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:15,400
died, he died in the Battle, 
we're not sure who killed him, 

1624
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:17,600
but maybe someone nameless, you 
know? 

1625
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,300
It's a battle. 
It could be a number of things. 

1626
01:17:19,300 --> 01:17:22,500
He may be took several wounds 
and the last one was just the 

1627
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:23,800
straw that broke the camel's 
back. 

1628
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,600
Not some great heroic Warrior 
that defeated a kingsguard 

1629
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,300
member at full strength. 
But maybe that is what happened,

1630
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:31,400
we have no Idea with him. 
But yeah it was a bad day for 

1631
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,400
house dairy-house Theory. 
This suffered a lot in general 

1632
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,800
after the fall of House 
Targaryen. 

1633
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,400
Yeah, again to say it might be 
worth all those losses, if your 

1634
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:40,500
side one. 
Yeah. 

1635
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:42,400
Right. 
But they also are now they're on

1636
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,100
the losing side and then things 
got worse in the war and the war

1637
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:47,100
of five Kings. 
Of course, like Gregor Clegane. 

1638
01:17:47,100 --> 01:17:51,700
Got ahold of their castle and 
that never goes well, Someone I 

1639
01:17:51,700 --> 01:17:55,100
didn't mention in the intro who 
was probably at the coronation 

1640
01:17:55,100 --> 01:17:58,900
but definitely in the battle was
only living POV to a 

1641
01:17:58,907 --> 01:18:00,900
participated was barristan 
selmy. 

1642
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:04,500
He is perhaps one of our best 
remaining chances to hear more 

1643
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:06,500
about the battle but he was 
taken out of the engine out of 

1644
01:18:06,508 --> 01:18:08,400
the battle. 
Pretty early injuries almost 

1645
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,400
killed him as well. 
Kind of like, elder brother took

1646
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,200
multiple wounds, and eventually 
just that was too much. 

1647
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,000
No, then he was unconscious. 
I don't know if Berberian was 

1648
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,800
ever unconscious, but he 
wouldn't have seen, Robert. 

1649
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,900
Slay rig are most likely He had 
been badly wounded three times 

1650
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:28,700
one with an arrow, by the way, 
which again implies charging 

1651
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:33,900
into this brought position and 
the battle ended when rhaegar 

1652
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:35,500
fell. 
So barisan wouldn't have been 

1653
01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:37,600
able to do anything more after 
that point as well. 

1654
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,100
In fact, it's likely had 
barristan been at full strength,

1655
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,500
he would have had to go through,
Robert would've had to go 

1656
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:46,700
through him first. 
It's rhaegar mean, this is 

1657
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:48,600
bearish and some were talking 
about this is the dude that this

1658
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,100
is dusk, and Dale guy. 
So, So, he's not going to stand 

1659
01:18:52,100 --> 01:18:53,800
there. 
While Robert advances on Ray 

1660
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,000
guards. 
Be like, you handle him, I'll 

1661
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,500
fight this guy. 
No, he's going to my kit. 

1662
01:18:58,500 --> 01:19:01,900
My friends, I'm here, you know, 
that's his job and we know he's 

1663
01:19:01,900 --> 01:19:04,300
always done his job for the most
part. 

1664
01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:06,100
So, mrs. 
Peris in the bowl. 

1665
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:09,100
Like, so Robert isn't going to 
just go through him, you know, 

1666
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:11,100
unless he's badly wounded 
already which is what happened 

1667
01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:13,800
to Prince Doran Martell, when he
fought Lynn corbray. 

1668
01:19:14,300 --> 01:19:18,400
So quite possibly hide the time.
Rhaegar, got to Robert all three

1669
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,600
of the kingsguard that he 
brought to dead. 

1670
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,000
One out of action, too badly 
injured to do anything. 

1671
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,800
So, basically out of it, you 
know, effectively, all three of 

1672
01:19:26,808 --> 01:19:29,800
them are out and maybe that's 
when Robert and rhaegar came 

1673
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,100
together because the King's 
Guard were gone regards like. 

1674
01:19:33,100 --> 01:19:37,600
Alright, I'm it's too late to 
back down, Robert sees him 

1675
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,200
Roberts full of Rage so Roberts 
definitely go for him. 

1676
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,300
If he has got Robert doesn't 
have a kingsguard at this point.

1677
01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:45,100
He's not officially King but 
he's got his close friends 

1678
01:19:45,100 --> 01:19:49,000
around him but they know Robert.
I know he's first now he's 

1679
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,800
riding out after agar. 
They're not going to catch him. 

1680
01:19:50,900 --> 01:19:53,300
Him. 
He's got a head start like duck 

1681
01:19:53,300 --> 01:19:54,800
goose. 
Chase after him. 

1682
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,700
I don't know but and they may 
have just left it like, well, 

1683
01:19:57,700 --> 01:20:00,600
Robert got to do this one alone.
That's this is, this is personal

1684
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,400
between these two. 
So, that's a lot of, really 

1685
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,000
interesting decisions. 
A lot of different people that 

1686
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,100
would have perceived this moment
and have a variety of different 

1687
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:08,300
thoughts. 
Going through their heads, 

1688
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,700
Robert and rhaegar among them, 
but not nearly the only to 

1689
01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:13,900
whether it's elder, brother, 
whether it's the foot soldier, 

1690
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:16,500
that's whether it's barisan 
Squire who may be kept fighting,

1691
01:20:16,500 --> 01:20:21,100
I'm completely inventing this 
person but he has a squire Our 

1692
01:20:21,100 --> 01:20:23,100
had another Squire Rygaard 
several Squires. 

1693
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:24,500
The other kings guard had 
Squires. 

1694
01:20:24,500 --> 01:20:27,400
I mean, there's, there's people 
who saw the final moment that 

1695
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,800
happened and we don't get any 
direct account. 

1696
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,900
So, yeah, just saying. 
So, here's the brief entry into 

1697
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:36,100
the white book about him that 
day. 

1698
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:41,000
It's only a one sentence wounded
by Arrow spear and sword at the 

1699
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,300
Battle of the Trident whilst 
fighting beside his sworn 

1700
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:45,300
brothers and rhaegar Prince of 
dragons. 

1701
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:48,000
Seems to be confirmation, they 
were right there with each other

1702
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,300
which I mean, that's a safe 
assumption anyway. 

1703
01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:53,200
I mean maybe Be the way battle 
you can get separated and battle

1704
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,700
but their job is to stick right 
by the Crown Prince like very 

1705
01:20:56,700 --> 01:20:59,500
clearly. 
Distinctly sir Duncan's and 

1706
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:01,900
super chats is happy, Sunday, 
all jumping in late today, but 

1707
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:04,400
I'm sure it's been wonderful. 
Well, we're having a great time.

1708
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,900
I hope the rest of you all are 
as well. 

1709
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,500
Let's keep it going. 
We used a movie title here. 

1710
01:21:08,500 --> 01:21:13,100
The last duel for this section. 
There are several accounts of 

1711
01:21:13,100 --> 01:21:15,600
their actual Showdown. 
Here's the one, from the world 

1712
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:19,400
of Ice and Fire. 
Well, the battle screamed about 

1713
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,400
Lord, Robert and Prince rhaegar 
Our bowl and by the will of the 

1714
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:28,900
gods or by chance, or perhaps by
Design, they met admits the 

1715
01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:32,600
shallows of the Ford. 
The two knights fought valiantly

1716
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,900
upon their destroyers, according
to all accounts for despite his 

1717
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:40,100
crimes, Prince rhaegar was no 
coward. 

1718
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:44,500
Lord Robert was wounded by the 
dragon prince in the combat yet 

1719
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:48,700
in the end baratheon's ferocious
strength and his thirst to 

1720
01:21:48,700 --> 01:21:51,100
avenge. 
The shame brought upon his 

1721
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:55,600
stolen betrothed, proved the 
greater sort of see a little bit

1722
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,300
of the world of Ice and Fire is 
bias here because the book was 

1723
01:21:58,300 --> 01:22:01,700
presented to Robert and his 
family basically and really his 

1724
01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:03,200
descendant. 
But it was written with Robert 

1725
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:06,100
in mind at first and then, you 
know, crossed out for Joffrey 

1726
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:09,700
crossed out for Tom and I love 
that the world of Ice and Fire 

1727
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,100
but it's got to be a little 
favorable to the current regime,

1728
01:22:13,100 --> 01:22:14,600
right? 
And of course, it's not an 

1729
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,500
eyewitness account. 
I don't think maestri and all 

1730
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:18,900
was on the battlefield but he 
may have interviewed people who 

1731
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:21,200
were there. 
As we said there were have been 

1732
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,400
no shortage of people who would 
have been there and like, Yan do

1733
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,400
would have had the means to Buy 
you a drink and tell me about 

1734
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:29,800
the Battle of the Trident 
eventually. 

1735
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,600
He would have gotten some dirt 
or some info or some straight 

1736
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,100
talk from be enough people to 
talk to me, eventually going to 

1737
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:38,500
find some purchase there. 
I've been holding back on this 

1738
01:22:38,500 --> 01:22:42,100
thought. 
Okay, but I wonder if it was 

1739
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:44,800
less glorious than the pictures 
paint job. 

1740
01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:50,400
I wonder if rhaegar just fell 
off his horse and his leg was 

1741
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,600
crushed and a robber just got 
off his horse to smash him in 

1742
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,000
the chest with his War. 
Hammer and it wasn't his 

1743
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:03,100
triumphant skill and courage in 
battle, he just got lucky and 

1744
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:06,800
took advantage of the moment or 
some other person chasing after 

1745
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,200
Robert. 
Trying to make sure he doesn't 

1746
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,600
get himself. 
Killed hit rhaegar from behind 

1747
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,500
and in Robert gets credit for 
the kill. 

1748
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:16,200
I could see a lot of weight that
the fact that we don't quite get

1749
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:17,900
a detail of it. 
Final moment. 

1750
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:22,000
Yeah, yeah and suspicious. 
And I think that again, I'm, 

1751
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,700
I've probably got some details, 
a little mixed up in my head but

1752
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:30,800
Doesn't Danny's Vision include 
rhaegar, like dropping to his 

1753
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,100
knees? 
Yeah. 

1754
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:33,800
And Whispering. 
Is that Adam? 

1755
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,000
Like what? 
From the moment they're on their

1756
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,500
horses fighting. 
So when he drops to his knees, 

1757
01:23:39,500 --> 01:23:41,000
what happened in between there. 
Yeah. 

1758
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,300
His head on the ground and go to
his knees. 

1759
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:46,500
He would be in water. 
He's on his knees to like he 

1760
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:47,700
would be there. 
Be water around him. 

1761
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:50,000
Yeah. 
Which, you know, again, it's 

1762
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,400
fine. 
But how does that get to the 

1763
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,200
moment? 
Maybe Robert landed one below or

1764
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,800
knocked him off. 
The horse in and regard 

1765
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,400
struggles to his feet but can't 
stand and fall and I could see 

1766
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:05,100
I'm struggling to piece 
together, the different Snippets

1767
01:24:05,100 --> 01:24:09,800
that we get, but the fact that 
we don't get a clear description

1768
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:14,900
not from Robert, not from 
belliston, or the maesters or 

1769
01:24:14,900 --> 01:24:18,300
anyone makes me think that, in 
might have been a little less 

1770
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:21,000
than glamorous. 
Yeah, the way it actually ended,

1771
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:25,500
I can see similar to help Ned 
killed, Arthur Dayne, maybe we, 

1772
01:24:25,500 --> 01:24:28,900
maybe Was a little bit of like 
less-than-honorable attacked 

1773
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:33,000
from behind by Helen read that 
aloud, Ned to beat this. 

1774
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,700
That's a really good take now 
on. 

1775
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:37,200
Let me throw something that 
backs you up here out there, 

1776
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,600
George is highly influenced by a
certain series called the Dragon

1777
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:41,900
Boat. 
Share in that series. 

1778
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,000
Very mild. 
Spoiler here folks, a certain 

1779
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,300
king became king in part gain 
some of his Fame because he went

1780
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:51,100
into a cave and slew. 
This old dragon, that had been a

1781
01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:53,400
menace for a long time, but it 
turns out when he went in, the 

1782
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,900
dragon was almost dead already. 
It was Cold and decrepit. 

1783
01:24:56,900 --> 01:24:59,500
So he but he took full credit 
and it was like oh he killed. 

1784
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,500
Oh my God! 
You did it up single person when

1785
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:03,900
income because the dragons in 
there dead, he's got proof that 

1786
01:25:03,900 --> 01:25:05,100
his swords in it. 
You know. 

1787
01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:07,800
They didn't know that. 
It was actually quite easy. 

1788
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,800
And of course, most people don't
even see the body or the such as

1789
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,100
the rumor. 
And the rumor is all very 

1790
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:15,500
positive and framed the way that
made it look like he was a great

1791
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:17,900
hero. 
So yeah, Robert really did fight

1792
01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:20,800
rhaegar that much. 
We know, like they, yeah, it may

1793
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,000
have, he may have gotten lucky, 
rhaegar may have fallen off his 

1794
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,700
for something like that. 
A stray arrow, that isn't meant.

1795
01:25:25,900 --> 01:25:28,500
And you're right, so you're 
right to question the 

1796
01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:32,400
possibilities but it may have 
also been as described. 

1797
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,700
Here's Ned's memory of it. 
Let's let's get another take 

1798
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:37,100
which again isn't quite direct 
as you'll see but close. 

1799
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,900
Hey, come together at the Ford 
of the Trident while the battle 

1800
01:25:39,900 --> 01:25:42,900
crashed around them, Robert with
his war hammer, and his great 

1801
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:46,700
antlered, Helm the Targaryen 
Prince armored, all in black, on

1802
01:25:46,700 --> 01:25:49,000
his breastplate was the 
three-headed dragon of his 

1803
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,800
house. 
Raw all and Ruby's. 

1804
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,800
Flashed, like fire in the 
sunlight Waters of the Trident 

1805
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,000
ran red around the Hooves of 
years as they've circled and 

1806
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,300
clashed again, and again, until 
at last a crushing blow of 

1807
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:03,600
Roberts Hammer stove in the 
dragon had the chest beneath it.

1808
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,500
Ned had finally come on the 
scene, rhaegar lay Dead In The 

1809
01:26:06,508 --> 01:26:10,600
Stream while been of both armies
scrambled in the swirling waters

1810
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:16,200
for Ruby's, not free of his arm 
so that seems to indicate. 

1811
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,600
Ned didn't see it happen and we 
said when he finally came on the

1812
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,900
scene but he must have seen a 
little because he's describing 

1813
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,500
both of them in detail. 
Specially the rubies flashing 

1814
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:28,300
like, Fire in the sunlight. 
And that's not like a super 

1815
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:31,600
poetic descriptive guy. 
He's more like a military man. 

1816
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,000
You know, tell me what happened 
without all the Poetry, you 

1817
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,700
know, just more of a straight 
efficiency but there is a way to

1818
01:26:38,700 --> 01:26:41,700
read the city, maybe saw part of
it and then was distracted 

1819
01:26:41,700 --> 01:26:45,100
because he's busy fighting 
people on his own and caught 

1820
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:47,300
glimpses. 
How do you kind of interpret 

1821
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:51,600
this? 
Yeah, I mean I may be the The 

1822
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:55,600
scene of it might have cleared, 
people might have cleared around

1823
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,700
or been pointing at the distance
or someone told me. 

1824
01:26:57,700 --> 01:26:59,700
Hey, there's Robert maybe even 
at. 

1825
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,700
Yeah, maybe even at the 
distance, you could see the 

1826
01:27:02,900 --> 01:27:05,600
flash of sunlight especially 
Center where the sun was in the 

1827
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,400
sky. 
What angle rhaegar was, you 

1828
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:11,800
know, the fact that Ned gives 
some of the details and he's not

1829
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,100
particularly poetic does make me
think that he must have seen at 

1830
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:19,300
least some flash of the image, 
but it still does not. 

1831
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:23,200
Ned still does not. 
Scribe, the victory, blow their 

1832
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:29,600
courageous moment, the last 
scene and I'm telling you, I 

1833
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:34,800
feel strongly that they final 
Blow The Killing strike was not 

1834
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,100
to the chest rhaegar, oh, right?
I think that was after he was 

1835
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:41,300
dead or immobilized, slammed 
him, that was Robert finishing 

1836
01:27:41,300 --> 01:27:43,400
him off. 
That wasn't like, the way he 

1837
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:46,200
killed him for the way he won, 
that was like, and after the 

1838
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:47,900
fact moment, okay? 
Okay. 

1839
01:27:48,100 --> 01:27:50,300
We know. 
Yeah, he's clearly clearly that 

1840
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:52,400
happened in I'm form because the
rubies and all that, but you're 

1841
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:53,600
right. 
He could have already been down.

1842
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,500
He would like Robert like so mad
that he's just hammering him 

1843
01:27:57,500 --> 01:28:00,500
repeatedly because like.you 
know, I mean, this is the same 

1844
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:02,800
guy that 15 years later said, 
you know, like I should have 

1845
01:28:02,808 --> 01:28:03,900
killed her. 
Think you did kill him. 

1846
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:07,000
He's like only once, right? 
So that does kind of sound like 

1847
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,700
a guy that would be like, all 
right, he's dead. 

1848
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:11,500
I'm done now is like his rage 
went just being cooled. 

1849
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,500
The second rhaegar's, dad, it 
would take a little while. 

1850
01:28:13,500 --> 01:28:15,200
Yeah, I can see that. 
I mean, it's not a trick. 

1851
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,600
I think a lot of other examples 
of the, the idea of someone 

1852
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,300
being dead and someone like 
beating them past, what needs to

1853
01:28:20,308 --> 01:28:21,900
be done, Want to spoil. 
Yeah. 

1854
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:24,700
And I Better Call Saul or other 
you know Last of Us oh the 

1855
01:28:24,700 --> 01:28:29,800
things out there along this line
but but I can see him smashing 

1856
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,700
many chests multiple times even 
like maybe he even wanted to 

1857
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:36,200
like just smash those rubies off
his chest and he hits it and his

1858
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,900
hammer just kind of clanks and 
it doesn't it doesn't like for 

1859
01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:41,200
more time. 
Do you really knock all seven 

1860
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,800
Ruby degree with one strike? 
I mean, yeah. 

1861
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,700
That is a little, maybe a little
too clean, right? 

1862
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:47,800
Yeah. 
There you may be making some you

1863
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,500
making some anywhere else with 
this Theory or Sean. 

1864
01:28:49,500 --> 01:28:50,500
I like it. 
I like it. 

1865
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,500
Need a ride. 
Yeah, even though Robert was 

1866
01:28:52,500 --> 01:28:57,600
huge and hugely talented. 
There's not a lot of argument 

1867
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,000
that he was just really 
overmatching rhaegar here. 

1868
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,200
Rhaegar was very talented as 
well. 

1869
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:06,200
He bleeped, literally believed 
it was his Destiny to be a 

1870
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:07,900
warrior but savior of humanity 
for a while. 

1871
01:29:07,900 --> 01:29:10,400
At this point he may have 
already this point. 

1872
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,400
He figured out that wasn't him. 
This point, he figured out. 

1873
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,200
It was his son apparently, but 
still, it was his family was 

1874
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,600
going to do this and was his job
to make all this happen. 

1875
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,300
This is something that he had 
just, you know, and and put in 

1876
01:29:21,300 --> 01:29:23,600
Lyon who wasn't even born yet. 
They just made this child 

1877
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,300
together and the kid isn't even 
born yet so he's not done. 

1878
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:30,400
So he still thinks he's a In 
Destiny mode basically. 

1879
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:35,000
And we also see like barisan in 
his thoughts, remembers rhaegar 

1880
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,200
is a great fighter, not it's not
just in he tells Danny although 

1881
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:40,700
he does that as well. 
It seems like he's being honest.

1882
01:29:40,700 --> 01:29:42,800
When he says that lots of people
talk that rhaegar was 

1883
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,100
legitimately the, that doesn't 
seem like rewriting history or 

1884
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:48,200
just pumping up a dead guy or 
whatever. 

1885
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:51,900
Interestingly. 
Yeah, Danny does see it? 

1886
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,200
Here's her version of The House 
of the undying image of that. 

1887
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,200
Very thing with a lot of other 
things mixed in. 

1888
01:29:58,100 --> 01:30:02,400
Then Phantoms shivered, through 
the murk images and indigo the 

1889
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,100
cerie scream does molten gold 
ran down his cheeks and filled 

1890
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:10,300
his mouth at all. 
Lord with copper skin and silver

1891
01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:11,100
gold. 
Hair. 

1892
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:14,200
Stood beneath the banner of a 
fiery stallion. 

1893
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,800
A burning City behind him. 
Ruby's flew like drops of blood.

1894
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,300
From the chest of a Prince and 
he sank to his knees in the 

1895
01:30:22,300 --> 01:30:27,600
water and with his last breath 
murmured, a woman's name, Mother

1896
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,700
of Dragons daughter of death 
glowing like Sunset. 

1897
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,800
A red sword was raised in the 
hand of a blue-eyed. 

1898
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,100
King who cast? 
No Shadow a cloth. 

1899
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:42,600
Dragon suede on poles, amidst a 
cheering crowd from a smoking 

1900
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:47,300
Tower a great Stone Beast. 
Took Wing, breathing Shadow 

1901
01:30:47,300 --> 01:30:50,700
fire, Mother of Dragons. 
Layer of Lies. 

1902
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,200
So it's really interesting. 
I almost didn't have a share 

1903
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,000
read that second part because 
it's just all this continuing of

1904
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,600
the prophecy that doesn't really
or the vision. 

1905
01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,200
It doesn't relate to this 
directly. 

1906
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,400
Why you had me continue? 
Yeah, because it's just so 

1907
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,700
interesting that it's included 
with these other things. 

1908
01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:07,700
Like this is the category it's 
thrown in its part of this 

1909
01:31:07,700 --> 01:31:10,000
Dreamscape. 
So I wanted to frame it show. 

1910
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,900
What context it was placed in. 
A lot of it is other targaryens 

1911
01:31:12,900 --> 01:31:16,100
dying, got rhaegar dying but 
before that it's her brother 

1912
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:19,700
getting the Gold Crown poured on
him, then Rago dying. 

1913
01:31:19,900 --> 01:31:22,200
Her vision of what Rego would 
have been at all Lord with 

1914
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,000
copper skin, fiery style and 
that's a vision of what could 

1915
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,200
have been regulars. 
We got Rego dying, viserys 

1916
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,500
dying, rhaegar dying. 
It's like she's going back in 

1917
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:33,000
time and then it's her and then 
it's the red sword raised in the

1918
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,800
handle. 
Blue-eyed, King, who cast a 

1919
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,200
shadow? 
That's probably Stannis. 

1920
01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:39,300
And then a class trip was a, 
maybe a fake version. 

1921
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:41,500
That's what we're talking about.
Slayer of lies and the other 

1922
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:44,900
slave fake version would be a 
cloth Dragon suede on poles and 

1923
01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:47,800
it's a cheering crowd, that's 
probably young Griff and then a 

1924
01:31:47,808 --> 01:31:50,700
smoking Tower grade stone beasts
took Angry and shocked about 

1925
01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:53,200
what I don't know, but it's 
probably some other false Dragon

1926
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,300
reference. 
If and these are in three just 

1927
01:31:55,300 --> 01:31:57,400
write everything here about this
vision is in threes. 

1928
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,500
We got three Targaryen, Prince 
is dying Rego, rhaegar and 

1929
01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:06,100
viserys and three false as or 
hives, perhaps Stannis young 

1930
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:10,100
Griff and whoever the smoking 
Beast is, maybe that's your on 

1931
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:11,000
or something. 
I don't know. 

1932
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,800
Anyway, don't be so Hasty, I 
don't know. 

1933
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,200
Anyway, we're not trying to get 
me Grace. 

1934
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:19,000
Camera could be absolutely Jon 
connington leading young Griff. 

1935
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,100
So yeah, these are all positive.
Possible things here but it's 

1936
01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:22,900
super engine that appears admits
that that's the point. 

1937
01:32:22,900 --> 01:32:24,500
We're not trying to figure out 
what all these things mean right

1938
01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:29,500
now if we ever will but it's 
certainly interesting that it's 

1939
01:32:29,500 --> 01:32:31,100
frame this way. 
Included that way. 

1940
01:32:31,500 --> 01:32:34,700
Then he also just thinks of 
rhaegar at other times as a 

1941
01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:38,700
point of comparison like when 
she's getting ready to unleash, 

1942
01:32:38,900 --> 01:32:42,600
her battle plans on Marine 
especially the trick against the

1943
01:32:42,608 --> 01:32:45,500
sellsword company against the 
second son's led by Mira with 

1944
01:32:45,500 --> 01:32:47,800
the getting them drunk and then 
doing the night attack. 

1945
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,300
Danny wonders of rhaegar, was 
that kind of anxious, the kind 

1946
01:32:51,300 --> 01:32:53,000
of anxiety that she was feeling 
in that moment. 

1947
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,800
She wonders of rhaegar felt that
when she saw the usurpers host 

1948
01:32:56,900 --> 01:33:00,500
cross the Trident. 
So, again, stats in the Storm of

1949
01:33:00,500 --> 01:33:01,900
Swords late in A Storm of 
Swords. 

1950
01:33:01,900 --> 01:33:04,200
So she's just still just 
thinking about rhaegar, there's 

1951
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,300
brother, she's never met and but
she has had dreams of and seen 

1952
01:33:07,300 --> 01:33:10,800
him in her vision. 
Need a drops in an additional 

1953
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,600
Bosworth comparison here, as we 
pointed out before when Richard 

1954
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:18,500
tried to kill Henry personally 
and she adds a little detail, 

1955
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:21,900
Richard actually killed Henry's 
standard-bearer got him, Sir, 

1956
01:33:21,900 --> 01:33:25,000
William Brandon and unhorse 
another tutor supporter John 

1957
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,300
chain, at one point, Richard was
in a apparent within a sword 

1958
01:33:28,300 --> 01:33:34,200
length of Henry himself and he 
didn't Retreat, Richard Henry 

1959
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,800
did. 
But because he's Sean point out 

1960
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,400
guys, not to worry. 
You're like I don't want to 

1961
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,100
fight you on Medicare Howard. 
It's just a stupid idea. 

1962
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,900
You're definitely gonna win. 
Like, what's why should I do 

1963
01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:47,300
this? 
You know, what's the, what's the

1964
01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:50,100
logic here? 
But Readiness is Richard just 

1965
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:52,000
kept going, though. 
You got surrounded by Henry's 

1966
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,600
bodyguard and just kept on, 
trying like he didn't give up. 

1967
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,300
He he was Robert like in his 
Fury. 

1968
01:33:57,300 --> 01:33:58,600
This like I'm going to keep 
going. 

1969
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,100
Like if I fail I fail, that's 
it. 

1970
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:06,900
For Alegre agar or like bigger. 
Yes, Nina put in the quote 

1971
01:34:06,900 --> 01:34:09,200
Richards, quote here when the 
battle is King. 

1972
01:34:09,300 --> 01:34:11,000
Or die is one. 
Very nice. 

1973
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:12,900
I like that quads. 
A good quote or did he actually 

1974
01:34:12,900 --> 01:34:17,400
ever say that maybe not, but 
maybe shakes, but it's still 

1975
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:18,900
great line. 
Let's pretend, it's real. 

1976
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:21,600
Another good example, this was 
Alexander, the Great Alexander, 

1977
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,100
the Great in the Battle of 
granicus, know the Battle of 

1978
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:27,700
gaugamela which was the third 
and most decisive battle where 

1979
01:34:27,700 --> 01:34:31,700
he defeated the Persian Empire 
defeated great, king dries dries

1980
01:34:31,700 --> 01:34:35,300
was on the field, their eyes had
like seven or eight times more 

1981
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:37,300
men. 
You know, you know, way more 

1982
01:34:37,300 --> 01:34:39,100
men, but Alexander's men were 
much higher. 

1983
01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:41,400
Probably the same kind of thing 
where the Persian soldiers 

1984
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,800
didn't have very much morale 
because they were just like, you

1985
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:47,000
have to come or we will kill you
or your family, you know, that 

1986
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:47,900
kind of thing. 
You must be here. 

1987
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:51,600
Where is Alexander? 
They didn't exactly have full 

1988
01:34:51,700 --> 01:34:53,900
authority over where they were, 
and where they went, but they 

1989
01:34:53,900 --> 01:34:55,300
had a lot. 
They were treated a lot better, 

1990
01:34:55,500 --> 01:34:58,600
but they were in a foreign land.
So he went straight for dries 

1991
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,300
with his cavalry charge and 
drives ran away. 

1992
01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:05,400
It worked. 
So sometimes that plan does work

1993
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:06,600
cut off the head of the snake 
plan. 

1994
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,200
That was his, I believe, that's 
what we're the. 

1995
01:35:09,300 --> 01:35:12,200
Let's read it, they're like, cut
off that it snake and, and 

1996
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:13,600
Alexander almost charged too 
far. 

1997
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,600
After him after he kept running 
like a lie, I'm gonna keep 

1998
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,200
chasing you and they're like 
dude slow down. 

1999
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:21,300
Bring it back here. 
They caught him. 

2000
01:35:21,300 --> 01:35:23,900
Eventually you're gonna get 
enveloped by the enemy Force. 

2001
01:35:23,900 --> 01:35:27,300
Yeah, so months later they 
caught him and one of his own 

2002
01:35:27,300 --> 01:35:29,500
men had killed him. 
One of his own, former vassals 

2003
01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:32,400
killed him. 
So this is there's military 

2004
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,900
history supports strategies like
this. 

2005
01:35:34,900 --> 01:35:38,800
This go for the have the main 
guy goes for the other main guy.

2006
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:43,500
To make it all very decisive and
Brenda quickly word spread 

2007
01:35:43,700 --> 01:35:47,700
quickly, but rhaegar was dead 
when this case and here is a 

2008
01:35:47,708 --> 01:35:52,000
quote, birds flew, and Couriers 
race to Bear word of the victory

2009
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,800
at the Ruby Ford. 
When the news reached the red 

2010
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:58,900
keep it was said that are he's 
cursed, the dornish certain that

2011
01:35:58,900 --> 01:36:02,600
Lewin had betrayed radar. 
He sent his pregnant Queen 

2012
01:36:02,700 --> 01:36:06,900
rhaella and his younger son and 
new are the series away to 

2013
01:36:06,900 --> 01:36:10,700
Dragonstone, but Princess Elia 
was Forced to remain in King's 

2014
01:36:10,700 --> 01:36:14,300
Landing with rhaegar's children 
as a hostage against Dorne. 

2015
01:36:14,300 --> 01:36:17,400
Hmm so again blaming the 
dornishman look at this this 

2016
01:36:17,500 --> 01:36:20,800
area's just can't quit other 
notable names. 

2017
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,400
I skipped over some of the 
results of what happened with 

2018
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,400
some of these people. 
Some of them I mentioned 

2019
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:27,900
already. 
Remember like Sir Barton has 

2020
01:36:27,900 --> 01:36:30,900
saved Wyman manderly his life 
may have lost his own leg in the

2021
01:36:30,900 --> 01:36:34,100
process of doing that Crow food.
Ombre was there, both his sons 

2022
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:35,700
were killed in the battle 
Luanne. 

2023
01:36:35,700 --> 01:36:37,100
Martel. 
As we say, was killed by Lynn 

2024
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:39,100
corbray after taking a lot of 
wounds. 

2025
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:42,500
It's barristan you know 
recovered and was Robert sent 

2026
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:45,100
his master to him. 
Sort of hearkens to what 

2027
01:36:45,100 --> 01:36:49,700
happened to gwaine core Beret 
when Daemon blackfyre defeated 

2028
01:36:49,700 --> 01:36:53,800
him but didn't kill him. 
Dwayne Dwayne, Damon and Blaine 

2029
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:58,100
mixed together is Dwayne, Damon 
sent his own Meister to help you

2030
01:36:58,100 --> 01:36:59,800
incorporate. 
And apparently, that's that 

2031
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:05,100
delay that bit of nobility is 
cited as pivotal and losing the 

2032
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:06,900
battle. 
I guess that covers all the 

2033
01:37:06,900 --> 01:37:09,100
specific mentions ruin. 
We don't know what like the bow.

2034
01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:11,600
Men dead, whether they were 
specifically involved and this 

2035
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,100
is one of the reasons why I 
think a lot of the men that 

2036
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:15,100
showed up for the battle didn't 
really have much to do. 

2037
01:37:15,500 --> 01:37:18,400
It's not like two full armies 
clashed because there's a for 

2038
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,000
there's only a narrow range of 
Engagement that can happen here.

2039
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,200
It's not like a big why, so 
you're a battle. 

2040
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,300
Sometimes ancient battles were 
the front line can be like a 

2041
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:28,400
mile. 
The stretching end to end. 

2042
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,400
This is not like that. 
This was a narrow engagement. 

2043
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,200
Probably now we don't know how 
exactly how wide the Fords were 

2044
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:35,700
in. 
The Ford can change and its 

2045
01:37:35,700 --> 01:37:39,600
width from day to day given how 
high the river is running Hello.

2046
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,000
And again, that was one of the 
Strategic considerations may be,

2047
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,000
the Ford was low. 
And that was like, okay, this is

2048
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,900
our chance because we can send a
lot of guys at once. 

2049
01:37:46,300 --> 01:37:48,800
The Rivers High, we can only 
send a narrow group of people. 

2050
01:37:48,900 --> 01:37:50,700
Well, they're going to pick that
off really easily. 

2051
01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:53,400
If we can only send a like a 
narrow column, but if you can 

2052
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,500
send a wide group, anyway, point
being, there's also no 

2053
01:37:57,500 --> 01:38:01,000
opportunity for like forces to 
be split or flanking Maneuvers 

2054
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,300
or anything like that. 
Reduces the number of different 

2055
01:38:03,300 --> 01:38:06,400
people involved, right? 
So the focal area is very small.

2056
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,800
The actual engagement is very 
small as compared to a lot of 

2057
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,200
other bad. 
So that's really important to 

2058
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:13,400
note so that which is why I 
think it's very possible that 

2059
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,800
some of these Lords that showed 
up had very little to do and 

2060
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,400
just we're like they could, they
could take all the credit and 

2061
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,200
suffer very little bit. 
Like, yeah, I was there that 

2062
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:23,000
day, never drew my sword, but I 
was there. 

2063
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,700
I saw rhaegar, I thought I saw a
glimpse of rhaegar and the 

2064
01:38:27,700 --> 01:38:30,300
distance but that may just been 
the sunlight. 

2065
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:35,700
Here's another quote about what 
happened of once people realize 

2066
01:38:35,700 --> 01:38:39,200
like Targaryen loyalists. 
Think about what there Oh 

2067
01:38:39,208 --> 01:38:41,000
thinking think about one of the 
things that was keeping them 

2068
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,400
loyal and the thing that kept 
them on their side for one thing

2069
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:44,600
is their oath to follow the 
king. 

2070
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:48,400
That's that's part of it. 
But you got to think that most 

2071
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:52,300
of the Loyalists at least a lot 
of them were again thinking past

2072
01:38:52,300 --> 01:38:53,400
are. 
He's like, okay, we're not 

2073
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,500
really fighting for air. 
He's really fighting Greg are 

2074
01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:56,800
like this guy's going to be king
later. 

2075
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,300
That's the guy. 
We really care about is the one 

2076
01:38:58,300 --> 01:38:59,800
who we think is actually a 
decent guy. 

2077
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:04,900
Now, it's like, oh, he's dead. 
Harry, still King the morale. 

2078
01:39:04,900 --> 01:39:07,400
Drop must have been Mass, not 
only did they lose the battle? 

2079
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:09,200
But the guy that they thought 
was the best. 

2080
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,200
Better, the to is dead now and 
all of a sudden they're 

2081
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:14,300
supporting the pyromaniac 
lunatic. 

2082
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:16,300
I do that. 
So many of them are the men that

2083
01:39:16,300 --> 01:39:18,400
excited me more about, who 
they're fighting for some, a lot

2084
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,500
of them weren't very excited 
about this in the first place, 

2085
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:24,500
so you can see why they just. 
Well, here's the quote that 

2086
01:39:24,500 --> 01:39:26,800
describes the general chaos very
succinctly. 

2087
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,700
Some men on both sides, stop 
fighting at once. 

2088
01:39:29,900 --> 01:39:33,000
Leaping, instead into the river 
to recover, the precious stones 

2089
01:39:33,300 --> 01:39:35,900
and a general route quickly 
began as the royalist started 

2090
01:39:35,900 --> 01:39:38,100
fleeing the field. 
So, you got to think that, you 

2091
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:41,500
know that When one side is 
running away, that's when the 

2092
01:39:41,500 --> 01:39:44,900
most casualties happened, that 
is a very standard truth of 

2093
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:48,300
swords, and Spears and arrows 
type battles. 

2094
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:51,300
Probably true of modern gunfire 
battles to, but different 

2095
01:39:51,300 --> 01:39:53,300
considerations are used with 
those anyway. 

2096
01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:55,900
When people are running away, 
they're running away their back 

2097
01:39:55,900 --> 01:39:57,400
is to you. 
They've dropped a lot of their 

2098
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,400
heavy stuff. 
They're not trying to fight you.

2099
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:03,000
So you stabbed him in the back. 
This is actually when a lot of 

2100
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,800
people most spring into action 
because look at what happened 

2101
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:07,100
with elder brother. 
He was looking for another 

2102
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:08,400
horse, right? 
He can't be a knight and we're 

2103
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,100
not a horse. 
All these people running away 

2104
01:40:11,300 --> 01:40:15,300
with their stuff. 
It's a chance to get easy loot. 

2105
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,700
It sounds awful, sounds cruel, 
but it's true. 

2106
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,400
That guy running away. 
He's got a nice helmet. 

2107
01:40:22,700 --> 01:40:24,500
I can get it. 
I didn't want to fight him and 

2108
01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:27,000
face-to-face because you might 
kill me, but now, he's running 

2109
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:31,000
away and he's a traitor. 
So you can kind of easily, maybe

2110
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:35,100
not easily, but you can In the 
Heat of battle justify what 

2111
01:40:35,100 --> 01:40:36,900
you're doing. 
Even though after the fact might

2112
01:40:36,900 --> 01:40:39,000
be like, man, I stabbed that guy
in the back. 

2113
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:41,700
Back that was I wasn't great, 
was it? 

2114
01:40:41,700 --> 01:40:42,800
But I'm not going to tell 
anybody. 

2115
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,600
And it's like this. 
It's like, oh yeah, I won that 

2116
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,100
in battle. 
He didn't say that. 

2117
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:48,100
You pulled it off. 
A corpse. 

2118
01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:51,300
You stabbed in the back, you're 
guessing that maybe Roberts 

2119
01:40:51,300 --> 01:40:54,100
chilling a rigger, wasn't quite.
So, as Nobles, it sounded like a

2120
01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:57,900
lot of these other loci 
everyone's running away. 

2121
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:59,700
Let me get some loot type of 
things happen. 

2122
01:40:59,700 --> 01:41:01,600
I me find a new horse. 
Let me get a better spear. 

2123
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,400
Let me get a jeweled Scabbard. 
Let me, I don't know. 

2124
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,600
Lots of possibilities, it's an 
opportunity to advance in 

2125
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:10,700
advance your station in a Old 
where it's kind of hard to 

2126
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:13,800
advance where you're very often 
stuck in poverty. 

2127
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:16,800
So, kind of understand why you 
would look for an opportunity to

2128
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,300
find. 
Maybe not just a ruby but 

2129
01:41:19,300 --> 01:41:22,100
there's plenty of things of 
value on that Battlefield from 

2130
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,100
Rich dead people. 
We're just some people just need

2131
01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:28,700
new shoes. 
Again, you got to remember, like

2132
01:41:28,900 --> 01:41:31,900
we usually these stories are 
following the boards and the 

2133
01:41:31,900 --> 01:41:35,100
Knights, but most of the 
soldiers in this battle were 

2134
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:37,200
just Farmers. 
They're just people struggling 

2135
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,000
to get enough food to not 
starved. 

2136
01:41:39,100 --> 01:41:42,800
Just got wrangled into this. 
So just a new pair of shoes or 

2137
01:41:42,808 --> 01:41:45,800
gloves or something would be a 
boon to their life. 

2138
01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:47,300
Yeah. 
You're totally retro and 

2139
01:41:47,300 --> 01:41:49,900
totally, right? 
So remember the blow that failed

2140
01:41:49,900 --> 01:41:52,000
elder brother took him out of 
the action and he floated 

2141
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,400
Downstream, he claims he was 
stripped of his Goods. 

2142
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:56,200
First like someone did the thing
were describing. 

2143
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:58,800
He was in full kit when he got 
knocked unconscious, when he 

2144
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:01,400
woke up, he was naked. 
Someone pulled him out of the 

2145
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:03,600
water. 
Took his armor off and throw him

2146
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,500
back in and he floated 
Downstream to the quiet Isle 

2147
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:10,800
where he says, Of rhaegar's 
rubies foot down. 

2148
01:42:10,900 --> 01:42:13,500
It's very symbolic. 
Of course, because the seventh 

2149
01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:16,100
is maybe meant to refer to sand 
or six. 

2150
01:42:16,100 --> 01:42:20,200
Rubies, from the seven gods, the
seventh God is the stranger and 

2151
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:24,800
Sanders horse is called stranger
and yeah again just want to 

2152
01:42:24,808 --> 01:42:26,700
throw that out there because 
it's not exactly part in the 

2153
01:42:26,700 --> 01:42:28,500
sand or something. 
It's quite a bit later. 

2154
01:42:28,500 --> 01:42:29,900
He wasn't at the Battle of the 
Trident. 

2155
01:42:30,500 --> 01:42:32,400
One thing I want to clarify. 
I think earlier you said 

2156
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:36,000
something like all seven of 
rhaegar's, rubies were not free.

2157
01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:40,300
Yeah in my mind there were 
dozens and dozens of Ruby's just

2158
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:43,600
six that floated Downstream that
they found, they took that as a 

2159
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,400
symbol, we know, for sure, there
was this Heavens. 

2160
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,900
I think that there were 
especially the idea that a bunch

2161
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:51,200
of people were scrambling for 
the rubies. 

2162
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:54,200
I think there were probably like
dozens of them maybe and I mean 

2163
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,900
seven well they've since come 
out now, it's but you're right 

2164
01:42:56,900 --> 01:43:00,800
there may be but if it's if the 
entire Dragon was done up and 

2165
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:02,800
rubies I think I think it would 
need more than seven. 

2166
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,600
I mean but I think that people 
would be scrambling even if they

2167
01:43:05,608 --> 01:43:08,900
were just seven rubies one Ruby 
is another green to set you up. 

2168
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:11,300
And For Life For Life? 
Yeah, you're totally ready. 

2169
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,400
Yeah, but if a bunch of people 
Scramble for them, no one got 

2170
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:16,600
any or one person. 
Got one. 

2171
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,500
Maybe I I feel like a bunch of 
people got a bunch. 

2172
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:22,900
That is kind of interesting. 
Things got Downstream and it's 

2173
01:43:22,900 --> 01:43:25,900
the people who found those six 
or thinking symbolically like, 

2174
01:43:25,900 --> 01:43:27,900
there's going to be a seventh. 
Mmm. 

2175
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:29,600
Okay. 
I can't be sure but that's just 

2176
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,000
my interest. 
Could track their showing like 

2177
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,100
that. 
Obviously, we don't know for 

2178
01:43:32,100 --> 01:43:34,800
sure, but I like that I like 
that interpretation Nina says, 

2179
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:36,700
according to Legend after the 
battle of Bosworth. 

2180
01:43:36,700 --> 01:43:39,000
Richard's, Crown was found 
hanging on a Hawthorn. 

2181
01:43:39,100 --> 01:43:41,100
Thorn bush and Henry was 
supposed to have been crowned on

2182
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:43,400
the battlefield by supporter and
stepfather Lord Stanley. 

2183
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,800
There still are Stanley 
mentioned earlier Sean, the the 

2184
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,800
Lord Frey of equivalent whether 
or not that actually happened. 

2185
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,200
It's certainly reminds Nina of 
the Scramble for rhaegar's 

2186
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:54,600
rubies in the waters of the for 
the happen after the battle. 

2187
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:55,900
Yeah. 
Good call. 

2188
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,700
Good call. 
Okay, let's talk about little 

2189
01:43:58,700 --> 01:44:03,700
aftermath a very famous and 
poetic quote from surgery to set

2190
01:44:03,700 --> 01:44:07,900
up a little anecdote here. 
At the Trident, those brave men,

2191
01:44:07,900 --> 01:44:11,300
Becerra spoke of died. 
Beneath our Dragon banners, did 

2192
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:13,800
they give their lives because 
they believed in Greg ours, 

2193
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:17,900
cause or because they had been 
bought and paid for Danny turned

2194
01:44:17,900 --> 01:44:21,500
to Mormont crossed her arms and 
waited for an answer. 

2195
01:44:22,700 --> 01:44:27,000
McQueen big man said slowly all 
you say is true but regular lost

2196
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,700
on the Trident, you lost the 
battle, they lost the war, he 

2197
01:44:29,700 --> 01:44:33,100
lost his kingdom, he lost his 
life, his blood swirled down 

2198
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:35,400
river with the rubies from his 
breastplate and Robert the 

2199
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:39,000
usurper Road over his corpse to 
steal the Iron Throne rhaegar 

2200
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:42,300
fought valiantly rhaegar fought,
nobly and rhaegar fought 

2201
01:44:42,300 --> 01:44:45,800
honorably and rhaegar died. 
What a great quote, that's one 

2202
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:49,900
of the biggest ones, right? 
But what your is leaving out is 

2203
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:53,000
I was I was on Robertson side 
and that battle I don't want to 

2204
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:57,000
mention it but I was 5 W for the
usurper. 

2205
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,400
I also stepped over the corpse 
to help him steal. 

2206
01:45:01,700 --> 01:45:03,700
He's just conveniently, leave 
that out. 

2207
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:07,500
Oh boy. 
Might also explain why you 

2208
01:45:07,500 --> 01:45:09,400
didn't get knighted. 
Like I said, he probably just 

2209
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,800
didn't buy it like he maybe 
didn't it was over before he had

2210
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,300
a chance to do anything. 
But Danny's question is a little

2211
01:45:16,300 --> 01:45:17,800
flawed. 
She says, did they give their 

2212
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:19,700
lives because they believed in 
rhaegar's, cause, or because 

2213
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:22,200
they had been bought and paid 
for neither in the Felder 

2214
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,100
brother. 
He said, well I was ordered to 

2215
01:45:24,100 --> 01:45:26,600
be here. 
I don't really know why exactly,

2216
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,700
what side we fought. 
You know, he says that part was 

2217
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:31,500
above him is like way above his 
pay grade. 

2218
01:45:31,500 --> 01:45:33,900
He's not even sure like, 
adhesion so far removed from 

2219
01:45:33,900 --> 01:45:35,600
that decision. 
He doesn't even understand it or

2220
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,900
have context, he just gets, 
that's how it works. 

2221
01:45:38,900 --> 01:45:41,000
And well he was going to be on 
one side or the other. 

2222
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:44,400
That's how it always goes. 
That shows not to be too much of

2223
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,400
a knock-on Danny because she 
just is Young and naive. 

2224
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,200
There's just no two ways about 
it, but it does show that she 

2225
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,200
doesn't. 
And again, she's Trying to gain 

2226
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:55,700
further understanding she maybe 
she's being snarky with drawer 

2227
01:45:55,700 --> 01:45:57,200
here. 
But she is trying to get some 

2228
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:59,700
insight which she needs because 
she doesn't understand this 

2229
01:45:59,700 --> 01:46:01,200
idea. 
That that's not the only two 

2230
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:02,300
reasons that people fight. 
Yeah. 

2231
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,700
Most of the people in up 
fighting or just drug into it. 

2232
01:46:04,700 --> 01:46:07,500
Yeah and of course the context 
here is she's deciding whether 

2233
01:46:07,500 --> 01:46:11,000
or not to buy the insult. 
Yeah, that's important to throw 

2234
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,500
out there. 
What's neat about the Ruby. 

2235
01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:17,100
Ford is it's not the first time 
that we have a place that gets a

2236
01:46:17,108 --> 01:46:19,800
name because of a battle, the 
red grass feel and the first 

2237
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,300
black fire bent or better bridge
and Meg, oars were versus the 

2238
01:46:22,300 --> 01:46:25,700
faith, those were not names that
existed prior to those 

2239
01:46:25,700 --> 01:46:29,600
incidents. 
Nina says perhaps in partly just

2240
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,700
in general to point this out but
also in reference to Jorah 

2241
01:46:32,700 --> 01:46:35,900
saying he rode over rhaegar's 
corpse to steal the Iron Throne.

2242
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:40,200
That's a little unfair. 
Robert was very known for being 

2243
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:43,000
very kind to the defeated. 
Maybe not right car but 

2244
01:46:43,100 --> 01:46:46,700
rhaegar's body was cremated 
which is in line with Targaryen 

2245
01:46:46,700 --> 01:46:49,300
beliefs. 
So Robert allowed the normal 

2246
01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:53,000
barrier practice to happen and 
of course he also at the same 

2247
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,000
time, we know he sent his master
to help barristan selmy after 

2248
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:56,600
Roose. 
Bolton's. 

2249
01:46:56,700 --> 01:47:00,800
Like you should cut his throat 
and read the room ruse. 

2250
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,500
This is Robert Baratheon. 
He pardons everyone. 

2251
01:47:03,500 --> 01:47:07,000
Like it's, he's famous kind of 
famous for that, like for making

2252
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,800
friends and do people still to 
this to the beginning of the 

2253
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,700
story before. 
Robert said they're like Robert 

2254
01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:14,600
had a really good at turning 
friends into foes into friends 

2255
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,500
and people still some remember. 
Someone said that Stannis his 

2256
01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:20,500
face they're like don't do that.
Don't bring that up to Stannis 

2257
01:47:20,500 --> 01:47:22,700
like I said this is not good at 
that. 

2258
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:25,400
He was kind of jealous of that. 
Status is more likely to turn 

2259
01:47:25,700 --> 01:47:27,800
friends in the photos. 
And phone in the friends. 

2260
01:47:27,900 --> 01:47:30,200
Another interesting note in the 
aftermath of that, Bosworth 

2261
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:35,100
battle Henry did, at first start
off purging enemies. 

2262
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:39,000
But he, he switched and 
eventually sadhana doesn't 

2263
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:40,900
matter if I'm guessing before 
joining forces. 

2264
01:47:40,900 --> 01:47:43,100
With me now, little little 
conciliation there, which is 

2265
01:47:43,100 --> 01:47:45,200
kind of a, that's why Jerry, 
it's called conciliar. 

2266
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,700
He did that sort of thing quite 
a bit need. 

2267
01:47:47,700 --> 01:47:49,000
Also Point, that's very 
important. 

2268
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:50,900
They burned rhaegar's body 
publicly as well, from a 

2269
01:47:50,907 --> 01:47:53,900
political standpoint because you
don't want someone showing up 

2270
01:47:53,900 --> 01:47:56,900
pretending to be rhaegar. 
The prince really die. 

2271
01:47:56,900 --> 01:47:59,600
You know, was it, you know, that
kind of thing just to be 

2272
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:01,700
absolutely sure. 
No one client comes comes along 

2273
01:48:01,700 --> 01:48:04,500
later and claims to be rhaegar 
because as we saw, someone did 

2274
01:48:04,500 --> 01:48:07,000
come along later and claim to be
rhaegar sons of this sort of 

2275
01:48:07,008 --> 01:48:10,100
thing does happen. 
There's like oh yeah I could do 

2276
01:48:10,100 --> 01:48:13,700
that with his kid to hmm. 
Nina says another Bosworth 

2277
01:48:13,700 --> 01:48:15,900
comparison here following the 
end of the battle and the death 

2278
01:48:15,900 --> 01:48:17,900
of King Richard. 
His body was stripped naked and 

2279
01:48:17,900 --> 01:48:19,800
exposed rubber to see that he 
had died. 

2280
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:23,600
Just prove it was him naked on -
remove all doubt. 

2281
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:25,300
It may have been treated 
substantially. 

2282
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:27,800
Be worse than rhaegar's was. 
Of course we don't actually hear

2283
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,000
about regards corpse being 
treated badly but Richards, Corp

2284
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,400
seem to have sustained. 
Some symbolic mutilations, which

2285
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,800
kind of part of the medieval and
ancient world that you do that. 

2286
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,100
You desecrated corpse. 
I'm going to argue that. 

2287
01:48:39,100 --> 01:48:40,400
So, wherever did, I'm gonna 
argue? 

2288
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:43,500
He just smashed his hammer to 
his chest multiple times after 

2289
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:45,200
he was already dead anyway. 
I can see it. 

2290
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:46,100
I really could. 
It's a great. 

2291
01:48:46,100 --> 01:48:47,800
I've never, I've never heard 
that before, Shawn, but it 

2292
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,000
really does fit again. 
It's one of those things that 

2293
01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:53,100
can't be sure. 
But really does, Robert thought 

2294
01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:55,900
of himself as a hero is a good 
segue to that and As we've been 

2295
01:48:55,900 --> 01:48:59,500
saying, there's a lot of reasons
for him to think that way he was

2296
01:48:59,500 --> 01:49:02,100
doing the kind of things that 
you're supposed to do, when 

2297
01:49:02,100 --> 01:49:04,200
you're treated the way he was 
traded, you know, if you look at

2298
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:07,300
it in a, from a narrower 
perspective, so Noble Behavior, 

2299
01:49:07,300 --> 01:49:09,600
like this was just part and 
parcel of his approach. 

2300
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:11,500
He's already kind of this kind 
of, man. 

2301
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:14,200
He didn't do it because it was 
politically expedient. 

2302
01:49:14,500 --> 01:49:17,600
Robert isn't really like that. 
Robert just probably doesn't get

2303
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:18,500
Coke. 
Stir. 

2304
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:23,200
He's just as bad as Robert is he
had a lot of great qualities and

2305
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:24,900
those were really on display at 
this stage. 

2306
01:49:24,900 --> 01:49:28,600
Craig, Charisma forgiveness, 
that's a big one Mercy. 

2307
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:31,900
But also just he's a lack of 
guile, which I think it kind of 

2308
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:34,100
appreciate that sometimes like a
guy who just always speaks his 

2309
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:35,300
mind. 
Sometimes, it's rude, it's 

2310
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:37,900
boorish, it's insulting, it's 
annoying, but at least it's not 

2311
01:49:37,907 --> 01:49:40,900
dishonest, you know, it's on his
mind and I think, at the time, 

2312
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:44,300
like this, it works really well,
because he's like, I'm, you 

2313
01:49:44,300 --> 01:49:46,000
know, he's like, I'm revenging 
Liana. 

2314
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:47,800
We're in the just, you know, 
he's gonna yell all the right 

2315
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,000
things to get people fired up, 
and they would agree with him. 

2316
01:49:50,008 --> 01:49:53,200
And no one's going to think of 
him as a liar, because he's just

2317
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:57,600
such a forthright guy, even if 
he His flaws hadn't emerged yet 

2318
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,400
by this point. 
So yeah, we talked about the 

2319
01:50:00,407 --> 01:50:03,500
pardon of Ruth's Nina says it's 
a brilliant move immediately and

2320
01:50:03,500 --> 01:50:05,600
maybe in ten with Burning 
rhaegar's Body Route 

2321
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:08,800
demonstrated he was not here to 
exact Vengeance or universally 

2322
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,100
condemned. 
Those would fought for the 

2323
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:13,600
targaryens. 
It was just establish something 

2324
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,000
new and better. 
Give a little bit of continuity 

2325
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,100
by having not only did he 
pardoned beerus and he named him

2326
01:50:18,100 --> 01:50:22,200
the new Lord Commander so that 
was a simple as just a regular 

2327
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:25,200
pardon, you may continue. 
It was your now my number one. 

2328
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:29,200
You fought right next to rhaegar
you fought well for rhaegar do 

2329
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:33,000
that for me and he did, I mean 
Robert bears in did stay loyal 

2330
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,600
to Robert until Cersei rip his 
will up and they fired him right

2331
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:39,400
now. 
Bears and also would have gotten

2332
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,300
very upset, had he been there 
for the murder of seeing the 

2333
01:50:42,700 --> 01:50:45,600
drape, the bodies of the 
Lannister of the Targaryen 

2334
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:48,000
children but he had he was still
recovering from his wounds. 

2335
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,900
So that was kind of a convenient
bit of Separation there, but 

2336
01:50:51,900 --> 01:50:54,900
beerus until does remember that 
and thanks for has a moment of 

2337
01:50:54,900 --> 01:50:56,300
rage. 
When thinking about it. 

2338
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:59,400
So let's talk about the last 
little bit here. 

2339
01:50:59,500 --> 01:51:03,900
The Lion and the Kraken Tywin 
had been weighed most likely he 

2340
01:51:03,900 --> 01:51:05,500
had Scouts. 
Like we said, the other armies 

2341
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:09,600
were probably aware of him being
there but more likely, if not 

2342
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:12,900
both, if only one Tywin knew 
where they were and they didn't 

2343
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:15,500
know where he was still, I think
they all knew where they all 

2344
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:17,600
were. 
But if any if anyone was 

2345
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:20,700
concealed, it was tired. 
So, as he explained it, I think 

2346
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:24,300
that Tyrion and others, maybe 
they had to make it absolutely 

2347
01:51:24,300 --> 01:51:27,600
clear, whose side they were. 
Iran and they didn't do that by 

2348
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,800
a great display of loyalty to 
Robert. 

2349
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:36,300
They did it with a great 
dramatic insult bit of violence 

2350
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:40,000
against the targaryens to make 
sure that no one's ever going to

2351
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,000
believe that this house will 
side with the targaryens again, 

2352
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:43,200
or that the Dark Ages would 
accept them. 

2353
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:45,100
Because of what they've done, 
and that was taiwan's thinking, 

2354
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:48,900
like, do something brutal and 
Savage, no one's ever going to 

2355
01:51:48,907 --> 01:51:53,500
consider us as fighting with 
them. 

2356
01:51:53,500 --> 01:51:57,800
Again, our loyalty can be 
depended on it because how could

2357
01:51:57,800 --> 01:51:59,900
we possibly work with them? 
How would they ever accept us 

2358
01:51:59,900 --> 01:52:03,400
back that meant doing this dirty
work stuff that Robert didn't 

2359
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:05,800
want to be seen doing because 
he's again painted as a hero so 

2360
01:52:05,800 --> 01:52:10,200
Tywin, not only saw the 
opportunity to get in good with 

2361
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:14,800
the new regime and to completely
divorce themselves from the old 

2362
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:18,600
one, he stepped in and did 
something that he knew Robert 

2363
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:22,600
wouldn't want to do. 
And he used his worst men to do 

2364
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:24,200
it. 
He sends her Amory lorch and 

2365
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:27,300
Gregor Clegane. 
Yeah, yikes. 

2366
01:52:28,300 --> 01:52:30,500
Now that one's pretty 
well-known, they sack of King's 

2367
01:52:30,500 --> 01:52:34,400
Landing would have next pycelle.
Was like, yeah, let him in virus

2368
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:37,400
was like, don't let him in and 
for once virus, was there were 

2369
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:39,900
the one who was right and 
pycelle. 

2370
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:43,300
Parser myself, virus was raised,
like don't let him tie. 

2371
01:52:43,300 --> 01:52:45,700
So I was like, no, that's 
Taiwanese here to help us, you 

2372
01:52:45,700 --> 01:52:48,400
know, by sellers has to high 
opinion if I win. 

2373
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,000
And buyers like know they're 
going to that dude is here to do

2374
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:55,500
what what he did first 
immediately knew what was up and

2375
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:59,200
yeah, Bart Bart was right. 
So lesser-known though is that 

2376
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:04,900
Kel on gradual father of bail on
your on Victorian and them did a

2377
01:53:04,907 --> 01:53:07,900
very similar thing. 
His sons pushed him to join the 

2378
01:53:07,900 --> 01:53:11,600
war during it appealing to him 
in a variety of ways, loot, 

2379
01:53:12,300 --> 01:53:16,500
honor, anything just reasons. 
They just really wanted to get 

2380
01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:19,300
involved is, hey, we want to go 
fight, we want to be involved, 

2381
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,100
it didn't work. 
Work though until rhaegar's 

2382
01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:24,100
death and that which point again
bail on your on returner like 

2383
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,200
the darker and you're done. 
We gotta do something. 

2384
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,900
We got a bit, a prove our where 
we stand, kind of like what time

2385
01:53:29,900 --> 01:53:33,300
was doing be loot. 
The same sort of everyone's 

2386
01:53:33,300 --> 01:53:36,200
running away in the microcosm, 
everybody running away in the 

2387
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:39,000
battle, now's our chance to stab
them in the back and grab stuff.

2388
01:53:39,900 --> 01:53:41,900
Same, same. 
Same here for the ironborn. 

2389
01:53:41,900 --> 01:53:44,200
They're like the reach is 
flailing. 

2390
01:53:44,300 --> 01:53:47,400
They've just lost was, get them,
and that's what happened. 

2391
01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:50,800
Attack some loyalists prove 
where you're at, ironically, 

2392
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,100
which is always the right phrase
to use when discussing the 

2393
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:55,000
ironborn. 
They didn't attack at full 

2394
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:56,900
strength because they were 
concerned with what the 

2395
01:53:56,900 --> 01:53:59,200
Lannisters with you. 
Cops Lancers, we're doing the 

2396
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:03,300
same thing, they're doing even 
more ironically, Kel on was 

2397
01:54:03,300 --> 01:54:06,600
killed in this fairly 
meaningless Skirmish where 

2398
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,400
they're just trying to get some 
loot from The Shield Islanders, 

2399
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:13,400
which is a nice Prelude to your 
on coming back to the shield 

2400
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:17,900
Islands, many years later. 
But Kevin's death right there in

2401
01:54:17,900 --> 01:54:22,100
this meaningless Skirmish at the
day Lon ascended, Sison chair. 

2402
01:54:22,300 --> 01:54:25,800
Just as Robert was ascending the
Iron Throne setting the stage 

2403
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:27,100
for his Rebellion. 
Seven years later. 

2404
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:32,100
At the start, we showed a number
of examples of the battle of the

2405
01:54:32,100 --> 01:54:35,500
Trident right at the beginning 
of A Song of Ice and Fire in 

2406
01:54:35,500 --> 01:54:38,200
several point of views. 
Does it continue to be mentioned

2407
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:41,800
a lot for books later even after
George is expanded story so 

2408
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:45,300
much? 
Absolutely, yes, perhaps Ned 

2409
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:46,900
didn't like thinking about it 
too much. 

2410
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:49,100
The memories of it are two 
adjacent to memories of Liana. 

2411
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:51,000
It's bitter. 
He doesn't want to think about 

2412
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:53,900
that. 
But Coddington, his bitter 

2413
01:54:53,900 --> 01:54:57,800
memories are fuel. 
That's what drives him for a 

2414
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:00,500
chance to set things, right? 
At least you know the way he 

2415
01:55:00,500 --> 01:55:04,200
sees it quote, Robert Escape me 
and cut down rhaegar in the 

2416
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,900
Trident. 
I failed the father he said, but

2417
01:55:06,900 --> 01:55:10,200
I would not fail to Son but he's
not the only one check out this 

2418
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:14,600
quote from sir, barristan I 
swore no oath to Dorne Ser 

2419
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:18,200
barristan told himself, but Lou 
and Martel had been his sworn 

2420
01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,900
brother back in the days when 
the bonds between the kingsguard

2421
01:55:21,900 --> 01:55:25,100
still went deep. 
I could not help Prinsloo in on 

2422
01:55:25,100 --> 01:55:27,500
the Trident, but I can help his 
nephew. 

2423
01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:30,800
Now that didn't work out. 
So greater that's quite an March

2424
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:31,900
hell. 
He's talking about. 

2425
01:55:31,900 --> 01:55:34,000
He did try though. 
He did tells like, dude, you 

2426
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,500
should leave. 
But yeah, I mean, it would have 

2427
01:55:38,500 --> 01:55:40,900
been like, telling Robert to 
leave or rhaegar, not to go 

2428
01:55:40,900 --> 01:55:42,900
after Robert like he's just, 
he's gonna do this. 

2429
01:55:42,900 --> 01:55:45,100
He's gonna try for the dragon, 
whatever. 

2430
01:55:45,100 --> 01:55:47,100
Will I do think there's a new 
human exactly what he was going 

2431
01:55:47,100 --> 01:55:49,500
to do. 
He just thought he was going to 

2432
01:55:49,500 --> 01:55:51,000
persist trying to marry 
Daenerys. 

2433
01:55:52,500 --> 01:55:54,600
If he knew he was gonna go for 
the dragons, he might try 

2434
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:58,500
something else and if maybe 
embarrassing knew Robert, 

2435
01:55:58,500 --> 01:55:59,800
rhaegar was gonna go straight 
for Robert. 

2436
01:55:59,900 --> 01:56:01,400
Maybe you didn't know that, 
maybe didn't know that was going

2437
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:02,800
to happen. 
Maybe that was something rhaegar

2438
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:06,000
kept to himself. 
We can talk about prophecy and 

2439
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,600
foreshadow because of the fact 
that the battle of the Trident 

2440
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:12,100
so Echoes throughout the story 
might mean, there's going to be 

2441
01:56:12,100 --> 01:56:16,400
some maybe rehashing, or maybe 
it's going to have a parallel to

2442
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:18,300
something that happens or 
multiple parallel things that 

2443
01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:20,700
have yet to come. 
For example, Danny seeing his 

2444
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:23,700
death in a vision. 
What about what's going to come 

2445
01:56:23,700 --> 01:56:27,000
with regards to that? 
There's a prophecy stated around

2446
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:28,100
the time of the dance of the 
Dragons. 

2447
01:56:28,100 --> 01:56:30,400
It said many had heard the 
prophecy that the hammer would 

2448
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:35,400
smash the dragon that has its 
own Relevance in that timeline, 

2449
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:36,700
but of course it's easy to look 
at that. 

2450
01:56:36,700 --> 01:56:39,900
Be like, oh, they were talking 
about 150 years later when 

2451
01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:44,900
Robert killed rhaegar, but of 
course, like a lot of prophecies

2452
01:56:44,900 --> 01:56:48,600
written about in history books. 
It was probably a post facto 

2453
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:52,600
prophecy, something invented 
after the fact, but maybe not in

2454
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:54,200
a world that actually has 
prophecies. 

2455
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:58,500
You can't throw the idea out a 
most mysterious possibility 

2456
01:56:58,500 --> 01:57:00,600
exists for us in the future of A
Song of Ice and Fire. 

2457
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:06,000
Consider this dream of Danny's. 
That night, she dreamt that she 

2458
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:09,900
was rhaegar writing to the 
Trident but she was mounted on a

2459
01:57:09,907 --> 01:57:11,400
dragon. 
Not a horse. 

2460
01:57:11,700 --> 01:57:16,000
When she saw the usurpers rebel 
host across the river, they were

2461
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:20,800
armored all in ice but she 
bathed them in dragon fire and 

2462
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:24,700
they melted away like Dew and 
turned the Trident into a 

2463
01:57:24,700 --> 01:57:27,900
torrent. 
Some small part of her knew that

2464
01:57:27,900 --> 01:57:31,200
she was dreaming but another 
part exalted. 

2465
01:57:31,500 --> 01:57:36,700
This is how it was meant to be. 
The other was a nightmare and I 

2466
01:57:36,708 --> 01:57:40,000
have only now awaken. 
So she discovers quaithe in the 

2467
01:57:40,008 --> 01:57:42,800
room with her shortly. 
After inquest says, no one else 

2468
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,800
is going to see you own or else 
going to hear me only I can see 

2469
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:48,400
you early. 
You can see me which makes it 

2470
01:57:48,700 --> 01:57:50,900
very much sound like a 
projection from a glass candle 

2471
01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:54,400
because it's the only mechanism 
we know of the can do that. 

2472
01:57:55,500 --> 01:57:59,400
So this is perhaps part of 
quaithe encouraging Danny to 

2473
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:04,500
take on her guess any as as or 
high which might point to it 

2474
01:58:04,500 --> 01:58:07,400
being a direct thing. 
Coming in the future of her, 

2475
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:09,000
battling the others at the 
Trident. 

2476
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:11,600
I would about would mean they 
got really far south. 

2477
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:15,000
Or maybe it's just her Trident 
is Winterfell where she'll 

2478
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:17,800
battle them up there or her 
Trident is the wall. 

2479
01:58:17,900 --> 01:58:19,800
The wall could be seen as a 
river. 

2480
01:58:19,900 --> 01:58:21,900
Frozen River, maybe in a 
Dreamscape. 

2481
01:58:21,900 --> 01:58:23,200
I don't know if possibilities 
here. 

2482
01:58:23,500 --> 01:58:25,100
The point is, it doesn't have to
literally be the try. 

2483
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:28,900
But it could be, which would be 
pretty amazing. 

2484
01:58:30,100 --> 01:58:32,000
No matter what happens, even if 
battles to come are more 

2485
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,400
impactful and more memorable 
than the battle of the Trident, 

2486
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:36,900
it's unlikely. 
The people of Westeros will 

2487
01:58:36,900 --> 01:58:40,500
forget about anytime soon and it
will probably continue to get 

2488
01:58:40,500 --> 01:58:43,900
mentioned here and there and a 
dream of spring and a dance of 

2489
01:58:43,900 --> 01:58:45,400
dragons and whatever else gets 
written. 

2490
01:58:46,700 --> 01:58:50,500
George's James says, I think the
symbolism of six and one missing

2491
01:58:50,500 --> 01:58:52,200
Works multiple ways. 
There's this thing with the 

2492
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:55,500
stranger but also the idea of 
one being missing hints at jaw 

2493
01:58:56,100 --> 01:58:58,400
and being part of rhaegar's 
bloodline being missing 

2494
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:03,400
especially if he if aegon young 
Griff is denoted as aegon the 

2495
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:06,400
sixth and John would potentially
be egg on the 7th. 

2496
01:59:07,100 --> 01:59:09,300
Yeah. 
Well a couple a couple things 

2497
01:59:09,300 --> 01:59:10,500
have power to make that happen 
for dimple. 

2498
01:59:10,500 --> 01:59:14,200
His name has to actually be egg 
on which is no sure thing but it

2499
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,200
you can see how that would fit. 
Yeah. 

2500
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,300
Cole Nikki says, they will find 
the seven through being 

2501
01:59:19,300 --> 01:59:26,000
strangers manure headcanon. 
We're more like a scan, in this 

2502
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:29,800
case asked Hannon. 
Yikes. 

2503
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:33,900
What about of devices that lets 
the kind of ordinance that I 

2504
01:59:33,900 --> 01:59:38,800
don't want to face. 
Hmm, maybe you do, oh, maybe you

2505
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:45,600
do. 
Do what clean things up a lot 

2506
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:49,200
next week with our Lower the 
Blessed episode who would never 

2507
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:52,400
speak of such things. 
Everything he does is pure white

2508
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:57,700
and clean and virgin. 
Holy hmm virgin holy virgin holy

2509
01:59:57,700 --> 02:00:02,100
yes I made that one word or is 
it hyphenated virgin bashful? 

2510
02:00:03,100 --> 02:00:04,900
Yeah. 
Why don't why is olive oil extra

2511
02:00:04,900 --> 02:00:06,900
virgin? 
What does that even mean Jones 

2512
02:00:06,900 --> 02:00:08,500
ever even thought about sleeping
with it? 

2513
02:00:10,700 --> 02:00:15,000
Yeah, okay trivia question, 
let's wrap that one here. 

2514
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:16,400
I think I bet a few people got 
this. 

2515
02:00:16,500 --> 02:00:22,900
One question again was, which 
Rebel slew three landed Lords 

2516
02:00:22,900 --> 02:00:25,700
and or Knights of the narrow sea
in the dial on? 

2517
02:00:25,700 --> 02:00:27,500
The answer is Lord. 
Jason McCallister. 

2518
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:29,500
Yes. 
Some people did get that. 

2519
02:00:29,500 --> 02:00:33,100
Yes, it's sad when Catelyn sees 
him, passing cows in disguise 

2520
02:00:33,500 --> 02:00:36,700
with sir Roderick and Jason 
Alistair passes by and she's a 

2521
02:00:36,708 --> 02:00:39,600
little like, oh well he 
recognized me and he doesn't but

2522
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:44,100
she thinks about how he rides a 
horse, like a man who has never 

2523
02:00:44,100 --> 02:00:47,800
known fear and how he threw. 
Three of rhaegar's Bannerman on 

2524
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:51,800
the Trident like, hey, that guy,
don't forget about him. 

2525
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:53,500
He's still alive. 
By the way that dude that dudes 

2526
02:00:53,500 --> 02:00:55,400
around he still to the Lord to 
see guard. 

2527
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:57,100
He's the Father. 
Patrick m'allister Patrick's the

2528
02:00:57,100 --> 02:01:00,700
one who befriended Theon much 
too large, asons Chagrin, he's 

2529
02:01:00,700 --> 02:01:04,800
like, you know, we fight our 
whole purpose. 

2530
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:08,200
We're see guard like we were 
built to defend against iron 

2531
02:01:08,200 --> 02:01:11,000
more. 
In fact I killed theon's brother

2532
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:13,500
Lord Jason. 
And remember, I'm Patrick is 

2533
02:01:13,500 --> 02:01:15,000
like, is that a problem between 
us? 

2534
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:17,700
He's like, you I only say that 
because you never knew my 

2535
02:01:17,700 --> 02:01:21,400
brother was like if you're my 
brother you would think? 

2536
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:23,900
No that's not a problem. 
I have no loyalty towards that 

2537
02:01:23,900 --> 02:01:29,000
guy so yeah that was Mehran. 
Mariner Roderick Roderick was 

2538
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:30,200
one of them was killed 
attacking. 

2539
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:33,900
See guard which talked about 
going like a dumb thing to do. 

2540
02:01:33,900 --> 02:01:37,800
Let's attack the castle built to
defeat us and the other one died

2541
02:01:37,900 --> 02:01:41,300
in the defense of Pike at when 
the war was ending anyway. 

2542
02:01:41,300 --> 02:01:42,600
So yes. 
Next week, baelor, the blessed 

2543
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:45,500
with Nina that's going to be a 
lot of fun, very different style

2544
02:01:45,500 --> 02:01:47,600
topic but we're still talking. 
Targaryens, they'll be some 

2545
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:50,600
dreams and prophecies involved 
because we know those were in 

2546
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:55,700
his head, his style of vision 
and prophecy was a bit more of 

2547
02:01:55,700 --> 02:01:57,800
the seven and a little less of 
dragons. 

2548
02:01:57,800 --> 02:01:59,200
But we got to figure some 
dragons. 

2549
02:01:59,200 --> 02:02:02,700
May have gotten in there to some
other episodes we mentioned that

2550
02:02:02,700 --> 02:02:05,500
you want to stay immersed. 
Blackfyre Rebellion Series, has 

2551
02:02:05,500 --> 02:02:09,000
some very serious and similar 
Echoes, especially the red grass

2552
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:11,600
field battle episode, which you 
have a little more detail on the

2553
02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:15,200
actual battle there, but it's 
still a different style episode.

2554
02:02:15,900 --> 02:02:18,800
A lot of LR we Rita's stuff 
would come up here, Danny's 

2555
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:21,800
house of the undying chapters 
which are any Clash of Kings 

2556
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:25,500
that I think that's for fourth 
chapter, Jon connington chapters

2557
02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:29,200
of course Ned barristan. 
So really Valerie Des is full of

2558
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,400
opportunities to immerse 
yourself in these related topics

2559
02:02:33,500 --> 02:02:36,800
rather than some of our standard
scripted or weekly episodes. 

2560
02:02:37,500 --> 02:02:41,200
But your mileage may vary. 
And you choose what you like, we

2561
02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:43,600
appreciate it. 
Anyway, we always thank you for 

2562
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,400
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Thanks as well to those of you 

2563
02:02:46,407 --> 02:02:50,300
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2564
02:02:50,300 --> 02:02:52,600
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2565
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:54,400
That's certainly another way to 
get immersed. 

2566
02:02:54,500 --> 02:02:58,400
Our large bonus episode catalog 
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2567
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:00,200
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We have different additional 

2568
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:03,400
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We're not able to put those on 

2569
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:06,800
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2570
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:10,200
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2571
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:12,300
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So you pick the one that works 

2572
02:03:12,300 --> 02:03:14,700
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2573
02:03:14,700 --> 02:03:17,400
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2574
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:20,300
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2575
02:03:20,300 --> 02:03:23,700
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2576
02:03:23,700 --> 02:03:25,300
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2577
02:03:25,300 --> 02:03:28,300
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2578
02:03:29,300 --> 02:03:33,000
Thanks to Joey Jesse and brand 
for our music and intros. 

2579
02:03:33,500 --> 02:03:35,300
Thanks to Michael Clare felt as 
well for the intro. 

2580
02:03:35,300 --> 02:03:39,200
And for our Maps, Michael is 
such a great contributor to all 

2581
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:43,400
the things that make our show 
look more, you know, real 

2582
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:47,800
stormlands right now Now, yeah, 
that's right. 

2583
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:50,100
Sighting, I just wanted to say 
that. 

2584
02:03:50,100 --> 02:03:53,600
I've got my tin one minute movie
reviews up for the different 

2585
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:55,800
Academy. 
Award nominees dancing, Sean on 

2586
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:57,000
YouTube. 
I'll drop them. 

2587
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,400
I'm gonna drop a link to that in
the chat but y'all if you had 

2588
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:01,400
trouble finding actually 
mentioned last time, it's 

2589
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:04,500
because dancing. 
Shawn is one bird and it's Ean 

2590
02:04:04,500 --> 02:04:06,300
likes me. 
There are a lot of ways to spell

2591
02:04:06,300 --> 02:04:10,400
Sean, but yeah, if you look up 
in two words, won't find it. 

2592
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:13,800
Also sometimes YouTube thinks 
you're looking for dancing scene

2593
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:17,000
and especially with movies, it 
Have dancing scenes and looks 

2594
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:19,300
like a lot of movies have 
dancing scenes in them. 

2595
02:04:19,300 --> 02:04:21,800
Yes, there's only one dancing 
show. 

2596
02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:23,800
That's so yeah, check out 
dancing. 

2597
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:25,800
Sean's reviews of the best 
pictures. 

2598
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:28,000
He's very good at and you're 
been getting the steadily better

2599
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,800
at it all the time. 
Just your more, you work on 

2600
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:34,700
this, the stronger, your content
gets and that's a great thing. 

2601
02:04:34,700 --> 02:04:37,300
So, yeah, folks, Sean's movie 
reviews are really good. 

2602
02:04:39,100 --> 02:04:40,800
That's it. 
Everybody will see you next week

2603
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:42,600
for more than you know what to 
do. 

2604
02:04:43,500 --> 02:04:45,500
Well, our rear Enos.