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There is power in King's blood. 
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supernaturally right. 
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literal sense. 
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more so in an unstable monarchy,
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with a certain measure of power,
potential power, shall we say, 

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the kind of power that can do 
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it can perhaps lead to bigger 
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It's really kind of a hard to 
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circumstances and context, type 
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But part of the reason it's a 
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that power to matter, you have 
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You have to know you have King's
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Not everybody does. 
In this case, with Robert 

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Baratheon's bastards, they 
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their father is. 
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focusing on today, we have a 
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know, one does know, and one 
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So that's interesting too. 
Now, honestly, when I say Robert

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Baratheon's bastards, I don't 
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Do I just need to say Baratheon 
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timeline 'cause I mean, Stannis 
and Renly, now they just, that's

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not their game, is it? 
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to have Baratheon bastards in 
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So that's interesting, right? 
It's, it's kind of the way they 

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were written. 
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have some dragon in their 
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Robert Baratheon's bastards are 
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That's mostly trivia, though. 
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Maybe not indeed. 
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specifically and intrinsically 
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over all to who these characters
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Gendry is deep in relore and 
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and Edrick with her influence a 
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it. 
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kind of telling, I think now. 
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children, yeah, they're 
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personalities, their own hopes 
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desires and all that. 
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influence on them or his lack of
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Either way, it's a big deal. 
Having little presence in 

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someone's life when you're their
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their life is also huge. 
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influence remains even after 
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Robert Baratheon comes up a lot 
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everywhere. 
And it's not so simple as his 

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children. 
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children who aren't the ones who
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known that way. 
It's just a whole big thing, 

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isn't it? 
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Gendry, Edrick, I'll probably 
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episode. 
They, they don't have complete 

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stories yet, right? 
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have a lot to say about them. 
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who are still very much in play 
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Maybe they're too young to be 
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pieces, but they're not without 
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They have some. 
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completely taken from them. 
There are circumstances in place

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in both society and their own 
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even though there's a lot of 
overlap, their tails are 

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compelling and a great insight 
into the variety of ways 

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bastards are treated in 
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They're all children of Robert, 
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different. 
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Westeros doesn't treat bastards 
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specific. 
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Not all bastards are treated 
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And there are exceptions, right?
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That's a phrase we've heard 
maybe as often as there's power 

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these characters are active in 
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We haven't seen their ends yet. 
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pathway towards those endings 
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So we'll discuss them as 
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the end as a group. 
All that and more on this 

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It is our first non Duncan Egg 
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not the year, but almost of the 
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Egg. 
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Her latest post is talking about
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Bright Flame asks for from Dunk 
when he mistakes him for stable 

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Like the things he asks for, Is 

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and that's given to him? 
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It's a little bit of a dark 

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subject, but very relevant, very
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We're pretty much everywhere. 
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Twitter anymore, but we're on X 
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I said Facebook. 

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we've been around. 
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Follow on Instagram because we 

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are trying to get our numbers 
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Yes. 
So it's just history of Westeros

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over on. 
Instagram. 

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No, it is not. 
It's the history of Westeros, 

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the history of Westeros. 
OK, the history of Westeros. 

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That's us. 
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History of Westeros and I 
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to get the name and I kept 
hoping for it and eventually I 

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That it's just an inactive, 
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Someone that doesn't even use 
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What a what a tragedy. 
Here is our opening trivia 

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question. 
As is so often the case, Roberts

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last known bastard was Bara, 
whom he fathered on a virgin sex

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worker in the year 298. 
She was born in 298. 

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That is maybe fathered in 297. 
Regardless, Barra and her mother

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were murdered early in A Clash 
of Kings on Searcy's orders. 

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But who did the actual killing 
Answer at the end? 

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But the answer is also revealed 
during the episode. 

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So if you didn't know it and 
you're paying close attention, 

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you'll hear it and you'll get 
it. 

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Let's tell you what you what we 
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I don't have a bunch of creative
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we're really going through each 
of these characters with a a bit

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of a format. 
With each one of them. 

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We'll do their first appearance 
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like with, especially in 
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most prominent of these 
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appearances. 
We'll talk about him as the Bull

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and amongst the Brotherhood 
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knight. 
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Who knows who they are? 
Who knows their their connection

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to Robert and all the aspects of
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story or that we find 
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We got a quick poll for you all 
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normal is we're going to reveal 
the results of the poll a little

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That way we can add it to our 
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on the question why it's fits so
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There's a good chance that the 
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meaning Joffrey, Tommen and 
Rossella and Shereen will all 

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die, plus Stannis. 
So who's going to have storms 

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end in the long run? 
As usual YouTube gives us 4 

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choices which is perfect. 
Gendry Adric Storm, Mia Stone or

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other right So. 
Which I changed to someone else 

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in the poll so no one got, you 
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And other. 
No one said like the others 

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have, I just wanted to make that
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so much. 
Black the Others might take all 

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of Westeros if I don't think 
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I don't either, but you're right
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interpret it that way. 
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rather than at the end. 
We'll discuss those in context 

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with the question and give our 
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go. 
It's a very interesting and 

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poignant starting point for this
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I thought this quote was pretty 
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As Robert is dying, he has some 
last words and wishes for his 

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best friend quote. 
I will give Leanna your love, 

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Ned. 
Take care of my children for me.

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The words twisted in Ned's belly
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For a moment he was at a loss. 
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lie. 
Then he remembered the bastards,

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Little Barra at her mother's 
breast, Maya in the veil, Gendry

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in his forge, and all the 
others. 

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I shall guard your children as 
if they were my own, he said 

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slowly. 
And all the others? 

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There you go. 
They're Robert's children. 

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All the others are Robert's 
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See. 
We figured it out. 

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The blue eyes. 
That's the. 

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Yeah, I wonder how much mileage 
I can get out of that joke now. 

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Unfortunately, Robert Ned didn't
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through on that promise. 
It's not for lack of trying, but

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he joined you and Liana in the 
afterlife a lot sooner than 

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expected. 
And frankly, only one of 

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Roberts's bastards has died 
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And it's bare, like that's the 
one we just mentioned. 

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Well, Robert Baratheon's 
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Have have you all caught that? 
I know I've mentioned it before,

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but it's been a while. 
Rob with two BS that's like Rob 

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B Robert Baratheon. 
It's like he was named with the 

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extra BS thrown in there to be 
the last initial there. 

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And of course, Rob is dead as 
well. 

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So yeah, Ned's own children are 
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same rate as Robert's bastards. 
You know, Aziz, that quote I 

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just read, Yeah. 
It made me think of one thing, 

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he says. 
You know, little Berra, little 

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Maya, little Gendry and the 
rest. 

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It's a it's like a Simpsons joke
when he goes little boy. 

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Forgetting the other kid. 
Who's my other kid? 

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Yeah. 
And the rest. 

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The rest you can't think of. 
Imagine that would be comedic 

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because Gendry does forge, you 
know, Edrick in this castle. 

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Those two twins that Cersei 
murdered, those other nine whose

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names we don't know. 
Actually, I know them. 

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There's Bill, there's Joanne. 
He just goes through all of 

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them. 
It's like, like, it's like a 

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food description. 
Like. 

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Also, all Roberts bastards take 
longer to list than the food 

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served at the Red Wedding or not
the Red Wedding, Purple Wedding.

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So, yeah, not, not not the most 
uplifting moment there, but it's

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really big and poignant and 
important. 

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It says a lot. 
Coming back to the scene. 

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It's like, wow, that really is a
lot. 

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Lot came from that, didn't it? 
It's still doing work that that 

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line. 
Now. 

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Again, Egg's youngest daughter. 
Bringing us back to Duncan Egg 

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briefly was Rael, who married 
the Laughing Stores heir, 

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Ormond, whose heir in turn was 
Stefan, who fathered Robert, 

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Stannis and Renly with Cassan 
Estrimon. 

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And that's right. 
So we're going to discuss each 

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of the three bastards in their 
birth order. 

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So that means we start with Mia 
Stone. 

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She was the first of Robert's 
bastards, not just the first 

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that we know about. 
She was born in two 79280, the 

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World of Ice and Fire app, and 
the implications from the main 

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books suggest that she was just 
a common woman to the veil. 

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There's really not much detail 
other than that her profession 

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wasn't noteworthy or known or 
anything like that. 

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So Robert himself was born in 
262, meaning he fathered her 

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when he was 17 or 18. 
And again, this was before he 

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was withdrawn to Liana and was a
big part of the reason Liana was

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more than wary of marrying 
Robert. 

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Like, this guy already has a 
bastard, you know, we're 

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betrothed, we're teenager, and 
he already has a daughter. 

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Like what the heck, how can I 
trust this guy? 

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I'd hard to argue with that. 
And the proof is in the later 

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events. 
Like, yeah, Liana was right. 

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And it's interesting that Liana 
heard this. 

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Like, it's not like Liana was in
the veil. 

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So when we discuss, like, how 
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parentage is, well, Liana found 
out from afar and not directly 

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from Ned, Robert, we don't think
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that's how she knows. 
But it seems like she heard it 

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elsewhere, like that gossip 
filtered through other channels,

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you know, and somehow got to 
her. 

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And maybe who knows how what 
that Channel was. 

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But she found out, and it was a 
big negative for her. 

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And I don't think it would have 
taken a lot of digging. 

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I mean, Sansa finds out pretty 
quickly. 

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I'm not right away, and she 
doesn't find out in A Storm of 

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Swords, but she does find out 
relatively soon. 

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And she has the bastard surname.
That's something we'll get into 

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the insurance and outs of when 
you get the surname. 

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And when you don't, you only get
the bastard surname. 

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Stone, Snow, flowers, whatever. 
If your parents were one of your

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parents or both are noble. 
Mia's mother is definitely not 

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noble, so the fact that she's 
called me a stone is an open 

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admission that her father was 
noble, even if not everyone is 

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speaking openly of who that 
particular man was. 

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But it's also just widely known,
which is a difference with the 

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other characters that we're 
going to discuss. 

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So maybe Leona overheard Ned 
talking about it, or one of 

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Ned's household guards was 
gossiping about it. 

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She overheard that because Ned 
wouldn't have been in the Veil 

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just solo. 
He would have had some 

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Winterfell men with him and they
might have gossiped about it. 

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There's a lot of ways. 
It's just impossible to track 

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this Grapevine. 
It's easy to imagine that it 

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happened, though, because it's 
just so many possibilities. 

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Now, the obvious comparison to 
her is Harry Harding in a lot of

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ways because not to her, but to 
her circumstances, because Harry

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Harding is acting out like a 
young Robert in some ways. 

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Here he fathered a daughter, 
also by a commoner her. 

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This daughter's named Alice. 
And Harry was also about 16, a 

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little younger than Robert when 
Alice was born. 

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And he doesn't specify or no, 
we're not told, but we're not 

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sure what this common born 
woman's job was. 

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Probably a domestic servant, 
probably connected to the 

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household in some way. 
Otherwise it's a lot more 

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random. 
Someone that works in the 

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castle, that that's proximity 
does a lot of work here. 

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This girl that bore this child 
did marry a Waynewood man at 

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Arms, so that is another reason 
to suspect she was already 

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working in the household. 
All that really adds up. 

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Now in the same sense, quite 
possibly Mia's mother was of a 

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similar job, domestic servant of
some kind, probably at the Gates

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of the Moon because that's where
Mia works. 

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She officially works for Nestor 
Royce running those mule trains 

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up there. 
But maybe her, I mean her mother

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could have been born or could 
have worked at the Erie too, 

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just in the general vicinity is 
very likely. 

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So that is just an uncommon or a
common rather not uncommon, 

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shall we say, uncomfortable 
thing about medieval and proto 

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medieval settings that this is 
really normal that domestic 

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servants. 
I mean, it's still true now in 

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the real world, maybe not to the
extent it was in in this sort of

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setting or the real world 
version of this setting. 

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How many times has someone slept
with a nanny or something? 

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Right, like that is just the 
oldest type of story. 

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Like that is common type gossip.
Right. 

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Common type drama in a 
household, like there's very 

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ordinary in a certain sense. 
The, the in modern times, it's a

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lot less likely to result in 
children. 

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People have a lot more sense of 
how to stop that. 

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I guess that's one of the big 
differences, but it still 

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happens. 
It's still, people are still 

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preyed on that way. 
The power imbalance is is real 

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and exploited constantly, right?
So most likely it's worse in 

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Westeros than it is in the real 
world. 

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But it's a big deal in both. 
In fact, Franklin Flowers, a 

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Fossaway bastard who we'll be 
talking about in a future 

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episode. 
Speaking of slight, slight 

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Segway here, this episode was 
actually chosen as part of 

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Topics Moot 2025. 
As you all are well aware, this 

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is no longer 2025, but our 
schedule got a little wonky. 

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We had to bump this one episode,
so we're just now getting to it.

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Topic mid 2026 is already 
underway. 

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All voting has begun, and it's 
already looking likely that 

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we're going to have a Fossaway 
episode. 

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So we'll talk about this a bit 
more at the time. 

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But yeah, Franklin Fossaway 
slash Franklin Flowers, the 

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brown apple Fossaway. 
He, his mother was a washer 

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woman at Cider Hall. 
You know, assaulted or forced or

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forced on whichever term is 
appropriate. 

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They all fit. 
It's it's not, it's not good, 

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but it certainly results in a 
lot of children in the setting. 

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So Harry also, like Robert, 
basically just abandoned the 

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mother of this child the second 
the kid was born. 

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And he has another child with a 
girl named Saffron. 

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So Harry is, he's a regular 
Robert Baratheon, just with less

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mobility. 
Robert was a temporary resident 

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of the Veil. 
And we don't know at all what 

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happened to me is mother. 
Not unlikely. 

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She had a similar path as these 
other women who bare bore the 

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children of highborn people 
within the household. 

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They got married to someone in 
the castle to lessen the stigma,

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to lessen the scandal, things 
like that. 

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And maybe to a man in arms or to
a lesser knight, something like 

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that. 
John Aaron and very likely would

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be the one to have taken care of
that. 

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Given who the father was, given 
his connection to Robert, he 

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certainly would have been aware 
of it. 

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Given it was an open secret, 
there's no way John Aaron didn't

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know. 
So John's involvement here is 

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also very interesting. 
We don't have a lot of idea 

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here, but we have to think that 
John, being the kind of man he 

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was, knowing Robert would want 
to keep him away from this 

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woman, perhaps, even though 
that's cruel to the child and 

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the mother. 
The political fallout would be 

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much worse, potentially, if 
Robert were to actually develop 

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feelings for this woman. 
And, well, it's John's 

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responsibility as Roberts, a 
caretaker, to make sure he 

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doesn't get himself in these 
embarrassing situations. 

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Yeah, it's Roberts fault. 
It's not John's fault. 

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But still, John is his. 
He's responsible for him. 

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Robert is a young man. 
And let's not forget, this is 

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before Robert had a reputation. 
This isn't. 

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We know what to expect from 
Robert. 

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This guy's always sleeping 
around. 

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No, this is when that just 
started. 

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This is young 17 or 18 year old 
Robert doing this for the first 

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time. 
So this isn't like a pattern yet

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It became one. 
But this was the Mia was the 

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beginning of that pattern. 
So it wasn't something that John

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Aron could necessarily see 
coming until it started 

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happening. 
And then it repeated and was 

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like, oh boy, what do we? 
We have a womanizer on her 

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hands. 
We have a man who can't keep it 

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in his pants on her hands. 
Well, I got to do something 

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about I got to help him with 
that. 

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I'm his caretaker, you know, I 
got to maybe try to keep him 

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under control. 
So and Robert, there's all sorts

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of plans for Robert. 
He's the air to storms and of 

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course there's no knowledge he's
going to be king one day, but 

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he's on track to be 1 of the 7 
great Lords of of Westeros. 

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That's a huge deal, keeping him,
keeping his nose clean, keeping 

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him from having these things 
that might be problems down the 

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line. 
You know, he's too young to to 

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care about the consequences. 
But John Aaron is an older man. 

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He knows, he's well aware of of 
what could go wrong here, and 

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would maybe have just done his 
best to keep Robert from going 

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too far, maybe to mitigate the 
damage. 

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Things like that. 
Let's talk about Mia's first 

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appearance. 
It's very convenient for us 

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because the first line, her 
first line, also immediately 

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includes her description too. 
Nice and succinct and complete. 

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Here. 
Quote a knight ascent with the 

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moon not even full. 
Even Lysa should know that's an 

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invitation to a broken neck. 
The Mules know the way. 

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Sir Brendan, the wiry girl of 17
or 18 years, stepped up beside 

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Lord Nestor. 
Her dark hair was cropped short 

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and straight around her head, 
and she wore writing Leathers 

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and a light shirt of silvered 
ring mail. 

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She bowed to Catlin more 
gracefully than her Lord. 

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I promise you, my lady, no harm 
will come to you. 

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It would be my honor to take you
up. 

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I've made the dark climb 100 
times, Michael says. 

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My father must have been a goat.
A goat man, a stag, It's not too

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far off, I guess Stags don't 
climb like goats, but they do 

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have the hoofs. 
And yeah, anyway, so her 

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description along with her half 
siblings that we'll get to in 

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good time in this episode is 
important because the seed is 

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quite strong. 
I mean, these features are just,

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it's like every single time, 
right? 

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He she doesn't have long hair, 
so it's hard to tell if she got 

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the curly locks. 
She keeps it short and and clean

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and neat and she's graceful. 
So yeah, technically she serves 

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Lord Nestor here. 
She worked at his household. 

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And Nestor got promoted after 
all this by Littlefinger to the 

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actual holder of the Gates of 
the Moon rather than just the 

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castellan. 
And of course that only holds if

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Littlefinger's power holds. 
So that's it was his way of 

451
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,760
buying Nestor onto his side. 
Now Mia would only be indirectly

452
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,720
affected by all this political 
back and forth with Littlefinger

453
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,840
and all that. 
I don't think she's like Nestor 

454
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,760
Royce falls that she's going to 
fall with him. 

455
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,440
No, she's just not politically 
important like that. 

456
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,520
Despite who her father is. 
The mule runs are really 

457
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,520
important. 
Maya is like the only one who 

458
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,240
does this. 
Sansa specifically thinks about 

459
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,320
hers, like me as the only one 
bringing us certain food. 

460
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,040
Without her, we wouldn't have 
this that the other when they're

461
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,360
when they're still in the air, 
you know, of course, now there 

462
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,480
he's been abandoned for winter. 
They they descend the mountain 

463
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,320
and they're not going to go back
up there till winter's over, 

464
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,160
which means they probably won't 
go back there at all. 

465
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,960
In the length of A Song of Ice 
and Fire. 

466
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,720
We've probably not, probably not
going to see the area again 

467
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,000
unless it's some sort of like 
epilogue type setting, but even 

468
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,560
then we might not because yeah, 
they're not going to reopen it 

469
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,640
for a while. 
It terrifies people. 

470
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,200
That's why she's the only one 
that can do it. 

471
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,520
It's scary as hell. 
The the heights, the winding, 

472
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,360
narrow passageways. 
It's like fear of heights is one

473
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:54,240
of the most ubiquitous human 
fears there is. 

474
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,760
People that aren't afraid of 
heights are a little uncommon. 

475
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,040
People who love heights are 
extremely rare, but they do 

476
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,680
exist. 
People that are genuinely, 

477
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:11,840
sincerely, positively affected 
by being in a position that 

478
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,640
almost everybody else would be 
terrified of. 

479
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,760
Maya is that type of person. 
She is unique. 

480
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:22,600
It's a cool way for George to 
give her a form of bravery, a 

481
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,080
rare form of courage that has 
nothing to do with battle. 

482
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,280
Nothing whatsoever, right? 
She's immune to fear of heights.

483
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,080
In fact, I think she likes it. 
She's like an Alex Arnold. 

484
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,720
If you know climbing, that's 
that free solo climbing guy that

485
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,400
climbs mountains and buildings 
without ropes. 

486
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,200
That guy loves it. 
He's not just doing it for the 

487
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,480
attention. 
He genuinely loves the feeling 

488
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,520
of being up there doing it. 
He doesn't get adrenaline 

489
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,320
rushes. 
No, he just, it's like a calm 

490
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,320
sincerity, a calm serenity and 
not sincerity, serenity. 

491
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,520
And that's, I think my stone. 
She loves the height, she enjoys

492
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,160
the views. 
It doesn't scare her. 

493
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,760
It's not just something she says
to pump herself up. 

494
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,120
It's a it's a genuine internal 
softness. 

495
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:09,360
She's like, yeah, I love this. 
And it might because of partly 

496
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,360
her upbringing. 
She was raised doing this. 

497
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:15,160
She got adjusted to it as a kid 
and she never learned to be 

498
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,360
afraid of it. 
Things like that. 

499
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,640
There's a lot it's, it's amazing
the things that when you get 

500
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,600
used to them as a very young 
person, how well they can stick 

501
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,560
into adulthood. 
So I feel like this is Mia. 

502
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,080
She, she got into this very 
young and, and took to it. 

503
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,640
So this is probably how she got 
involved. 

504
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,600
Like, she was born to this 
commoner and Robert and John. 

505
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,160
Erin wanted to give her a 
position that where he could 

506
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,800
keep an eye on her, you know, 
And she's Robert's child. 

507
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,120
He might actually have some 
noble intention behind this, 

508
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,200
too, just making sure she's well
taken care of. 

509
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,800
He doesn't want to just throw 
her to the wolves or the 

510
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,600
Falcons, whatever hits the veil.
So, yeah. 

511
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,880
So he wouldn't be taking her 
away and hiding her. 

512
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,760
And he's kind of doing the best,
like he said, doing the best he 

513
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,520
can. 
It's not his fault that Robert 

514
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,360
fathered this child that he 
shouldn't have. 

515
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,120
But you know, she's still a 
servant. 

516
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,080
She's a mule girl. 
Even though she's Robert's 

517
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,080
child. 
She doesn't have the status or 

518
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,720
or the danger even associated 
with her. 

519
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,160
In some ways, she's at less risk
than than an Edrick or a Gendry 

520
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,400
or even some of the other 
nameless children of Robert 

521
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,400
Baratheon because she was raised
this way. 

522
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,440
She's very happy where she is. 
She's very set in her role. 

523
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,760
No one really sees her as a 
threat to make a claim or 

524
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,320
someone to make a claim through 
her. 

525
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,520
The she's a mule girl. 
That says a lot. 

526
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760
That's just, that's not a 
negative thing coming from me, 

527
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,080
but from the nobles of Westeros.
It's a, it's a, it's absolutely 

528
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,640
a negative thing. 
They look down on that. 

529
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,360
And thus she's not a threat 
because they look down on her, 

530
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,080
right. 
It's not going to be necessarily

531
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,120
the same with the Gendry or and 
Edrick, because one, they're 

532
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,040
boys, they're men and that 
automatically makes them a 

533
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,560
bigger threat in this society 
and as far as claims go. 

534
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,680
But still, the human angle here 
is big. 

535
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,240
We should think more about John 
Aaron. 

536
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,760
Like, what did he do? 
What, what he what was his 

537
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,960
concern besides just making sure
the girl was well taken care of?

538
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,880
I'm sure he had concern for her 
as a human being. 

539
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,280
But like, does he want the 
Lannisters to find out? 

540
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,760
I mean, Roberts betrothed to, to
Leanna. 

541
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,640
I mean, later on he's betrothed 
to, to Cersei. 

542
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,280
Like the the picture changes, 
but the information's already 

543
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,440
out there. 
Now. 

544
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,400
Searcy made threats against Mia 
when Robert suggested maybe 

545
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,520
he'll bring her to court. 
And he's like, yeah, this is a 

546
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,320
dangerous city for a young girl.
Like they Searcy's like, yeah, 

547
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,640
I'll have her killed without 
saying so much. 

548
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,720
And Robert got super mad about 
that. 

549
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,080
But, and I think that's when he 
hit her, but he didn't press the

550
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,360
issue beyond that. 
So Robert took her threat 

551
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,040
seriously, basically. 
And he really wasn't that into 

552
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,640
it in the first place. 
You didn't hear. 

553
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,600
Robert was like, yeah, this was 
kind of a flight of fancy. 

554
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,440
Like, yeah, I could have my 
daughter around, but he didn't 

555
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,080
really care that much because 
he's Robert Brathy, and he's 

556
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,600
just on to the next woman, on to
the next bottle of wine, Right. 

557
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,480
Yeah. 
I'm not here to defend this man 

558
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,960
like that. 
So, yeah. 

559
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,400
And Nina puts it pretty well, 
too. 

560
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,960
Like, who in the realm is 
realistically going to rally to 

561
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,280
the cause of Mia Stone? 
Like, this is not how it works. 

562
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,960
Like, again, I'm not denigrating
her. 

563
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,840
This is what they would do. 
So yeah, I I don't know that Jon

564
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,320
was that worried about it. 
As long as she's not thrown in 

565
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,840
Cersei's face, she's probably 
safe, especially given where 

566
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,800
she's living. 
Like how Cersei doesn't have 

567
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480
some network of assassins that 
she can just dispatch to the 

568
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,680
veil. 
She's trying to have Jon Snow 

569
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,200
killed, and she's making a a 
botch of that and. 

570
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:41,800
And other things. 
Yeah. 

571
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,520
She wouldn't have been able to 
pull that off very well. 

572
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,320
So she didn't try to kill Mia 
just because she existed. 

573
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,520
She tried to would have tried to
kill Mia if it was thrown in her

574
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,280
face, which is telling. 
And that's going to matter when 

575
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,280
we discuss Gendry. 
Less so Gendry because they 

576
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,960
don't know about him, but Edric 
Storm for sure. 

577
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,200
So in other words, it's less 
about Cersei's fear of her 

578
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,360
children being usurped. 
In the case of Maya, it's about 

579
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,480
the embarrassment and shame that
Robert cheated on her. 

580
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,760
That's the well, she didn't 
because Maya was born before he 

581
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,560
married Cersei. 
But still, it's still an 

582
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,000
embarrassment to Cersei because 
it's a connection to all the 

583
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,280
other bastards he's had after he
did marry her. 

584
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,440
So it's still part of that bag. 
So, yeah, she was born prior, 

585
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,760
prior to the war and all that. 
So her place in things is a 

586
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,320
little different in that sense. 
Yeah, Michael. 

587
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,840
Michael also says that she has 
the eyes of the owl, in addition

588
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,640
to saying her father must have 
been a goat. 

589
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,440
But wait, so he's he not in on 
the open secret if so many 

590
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600
people know that Maya's father 
was Robert. 

591
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,640
And she's not really acting like
she knows either, which is a 

592
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,280
little peculiar. 
So it's fitting. 

593
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,400
It's not weird that Michael 
doesn't know because he's so 

594
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,680
young. 
It's an open secret that the 

595
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,680
adults know, right? 
Michael's what, 1415? 

596
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,440
Her age, roughly. 
Maybe a little older. 

597
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,680
He's not very old. 
Maybe Lynn Corbray is, you know,

598
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,600
the one he Squires to would have
told him, but maybe not. 

599
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,080
It's not necessarily. 
Would it have benefited him to 

600
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,560
tell him, you know, Lynn's kind 
of not the best guy? 

601
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,240
I think if he had a a reason to 
do it, he would. 

602
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,640
But if he didn't, I don't think 
he would just. 

603
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,880
Do it. 
Maybe he would do it just to be 

604
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,960
a jerk because he would like 
just to get a reaction and just 

605
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,040
to stir up trouble because he's 
he's Lynn Corbray. 

606
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,720
But yeah, you're right. 
I don't I don't see a compelling

607
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,080
benefit to him. 
More likely to be trouble with 

608
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,120
him not knowing and him spurning
her because he thinks she's too 

609
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,320
lowly. 
Yeah. 

610
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,440
And which is just would be so, 
you know, tragic because she's 

611
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,240
actually, you know, a King's 
bastard, right? 

612
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,480
Yeah, and here's where that 
comes up. 

613
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,720
When Catelyn asks my like, who? 
Wait, you, you keep talking 

614
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,600
about Michael. 
Who is that quote? 

615
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Michael's my love Mia. 
Explained Michael. 

616
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,240
Red Fort, he squired a Sarah 
Lynn Corbray, We're to wed as 

617
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,120
soon as he becomes a knight next
year or the year after. 

618
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,160
She sounded so like Sansa, so 
happy and innocent with her 

619
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,920
dreams. 
Catelyn smiled, but the smile 

620
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,600
was tinged with sadness. 
The Red Forts were an old name 

621
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,400
in the veil, she knew, with the 
blood of the First Men in their 

622
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,280
veins. 
His love she might be, but no 

623
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Red Fort would ever wed a 
bastard. 

624
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,960
Ironic that Catelyn thinks her 
too low born when she's actually

625
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,080
a King's daughter, but you know,
even the bastard daughter of a 

626
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,280
king is not that much of A 
marriage prize given the 

627
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,200
circumstances. 
Raised as a domestic servant as 

628
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,960
the mule girl, which again, it's
impressive that she's the mule 

629
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,480
girl. 
It's a really dangerous, hard 

630
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,920
job that would drive people 
crazy and they would hate it. 

631
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,280
They would be in fear all the 
time. 

632
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,560
But again, the nobles look down 
on that. 

633
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,120
But it also makes for great 
humor like this. 

634
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,720
There's all sorts of these 
little hidden identity jokes 

635
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,440
when you're dealing with 
characters like this. 

636
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,600
As a reader of A Song of Ice and
Fire, we don't know that much 

637
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,920
about Michael, whether he's 
manipulating Maya or whether 

638
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,440
he's kind of naive too. 
He's kind of young, so it's 

639
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,360
certainly possible that it's the
latter truth. 

640
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,640
But as a Squire of Len, you kind
of wonder what kind of influence

641
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,080
this kids had on him and if he's
kind of going that same 

642
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,040
direction. 
So there's a lot in common. 

643
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,520
His relationship with Mia has a 
lot in common with Roberts 

644
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,600
playing with Mia's mother. 
It's a little bit of a pay it 

645
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,520
forward kind of karmic 
situation. 

646
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,880
Robert's attraction and interest
in Maia's mother was genuine, 

647
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,720
though, as usual, fleeting. 
It was brief again, though usual

648
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,200
hadn't been established back 
then. 

649
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640
But yeah, she was the first of 
what became a pattern. 

650
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,240
But the similarity lies in the 
privilege inherently of the man 

651
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,360
in question. 
There's no risk for Michael or 

652
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,920
Robert, really. 
If there is a bastard, it's 

653
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,520
someone else's problem, right? 
Well, for Robert's John Aaron 

654
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,280
had to deal with that, or his 
brothers, or what have you. 

655
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,360
Or Ned. 
It's not his problem, even 

656
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,600
though it's his responsibility. 
It should be his problem, but it

657
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,600
isn't and he knows it. 
Michael Redford's in a similar 

658
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,520
position of privilege, not as 
high as Robert, but pretty high,

659
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,000
and knowing that whatever he 
does with Mia, he can just get 

660
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,040
away with it and have no 
consequences. 

661
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,960
But for her or for Mia's mother,
there's all sorts of 

662
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,880
consequences. 
Having the bastard of a high 

663
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,440
born person, it's going to 
change your life. 

664
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,760
Maybe not for the better, 
probably not for the better, 

665
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,440
maybe for very much the worse, 
maybe for the better. 

666
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,560
It's possible, you know, you get
some money out of you get a 

667
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,639
higher station potentially, but 
it might end up getting you 

668
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,800
killed or the kid killed. 
So it's a real, a real lottery 

669
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,600
type of situation. 
So again, Sansa learned through 

670
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,639
gossip, through one of the 
servants, not even through one 

671
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,280
of the other highborn girls. 
It was Maddie who taught her, 

672
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,440
who told her that Maya is 
Robert's kid. 

673
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,040
And she's like, oh, yeah, oh, 
yeah, I she caught it. 

674
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,880
She's like, oh, yeah, I can tell
by looking at her. 

675
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,760
She noticed as soon as it was 
pointed out to her, she's like, 

676
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,600
yeah, I see it. 
And that's the case for a lot of

677
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,680
these kids. 
Robert, his look to see being so

678
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,640
strong as it is, if you're not 
looking for it, you don't 

679
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,440
necessarily catch it. 
And I'm talking about people in 

680
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,280
Westeros. 
But if it's pointed out to you, 

681
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,320
it's, we've seen it a number of 
times where someone goes, oh, 

682
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,440
yeah, look at that. 
Just looks right, just looks 

683
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,880
right. 
And there's some other cases 

684
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,600
where they don't need to have it
pointed out. 

685
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,720
They notice themselves 
immediately. 

686
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,720
Ned Stark has that happen once 
or twice. 

687
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Brienne has it happen when she 
meets Kendry. 

688
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,800
Because because Brienne was so, 
you know, into Renly, she had 

689
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,760
more of an eye for it, I would 
say, right. 

690
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,640
It was so shocking, like, Oh my 
God, that looks like Renly. 

691
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,480
Yeah. 
And she was also, like, groggy. 

692
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,800
So there's a other things going 
on there too that fueled that 

693
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,720
moment. 
But the look is there. 

694
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,480
It wasn't it's it's not 
exaggerated. 

695
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160
And Sansa has learned a lot of 
Sansa's naivete, like her 

696
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,720
learning to not be naive has 
come in the veil, like it 

697
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,720
started in King's Landing, 
right? 

698
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Being around Cersei, being 
around all these awful things. 

699
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,480
But it's continued very much in 
the veil and a lot of it is 

700
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,280
learning how naive she had been.
She's not just becoming less 

701
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,840
naive, she's addressing the fact
within her mind that she was 

702
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,960
naive. 
She it isn't just a a 

703
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,480
coincidence. 
She's aware of what she was. 

704
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,080
She compares herself to younger 
women who are still in that 

705
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,760
space and both wants to be like 
that and feels bad for them. 

706
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,800
She's like, I would like to be 
naive like that. 

707
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,120
I would like to not have all 
these concerns and cares and 

708
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,920
waits, but I also feel bad for 
them because one day they're 

709
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,480
going to learn and it's going to
be really hard for them like it 

710
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,440
was for me. 
And so she has some idea of, of,

711
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,160
of Maya, more than she would 
have before, because she's now 

712
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,240
masquerading as a bastard as 
well. 

713
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,080
And that puts her on not equal 
footing, but closer footing than

714
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:53,440
they were and gives them, gives 
Elaine more a chance to put 

715
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,440
herself in Mia's shoes. 
And Sansa understands a bit too,

716
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,880
the whole Michael Redford angle 
because Santa herself met Waymar

717
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,880
Royce on the way to the Wall 
before he took the black, and 

718
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,000
she had a little brief crush on 
him. 

719
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,560
So she kind of gets it, you 
know, Michael Redford, Waymar 

720
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Royce, these are very similar 
ranked houses. 

721
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,600
They're both from the veil, 
similar age. 

722
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,560
Yeah, real similar. 
So this is a good Segway to more

723
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:30,240
insight on Mia Elaine observing 
Maya thusly in the very first 

724
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,240
lines of this chapter here 
quote. 

725
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,280
She was reading her Little Lord 
a tale of the Winged Night when 

726
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Maya Stone came knocking on the 
door of his bedchamber, clad in 

727
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,640
boots and writing letters and 
smelling strongly of the stable.

728
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,960
Maya had straw in her hair and a
scowl on her face. 

729
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,240
That scowl comes of having 
Michael Redford near, Elaine 

730
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,280
Knew. 
Yep, Caitlin was right. 

731
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Unfortunately, she did indeed 
get jilted and left for a noble 

732
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,720
girl as yeah, Caitlin saw that 
coming a mile away. 

733
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,320
She said to her she she thought 
at the time if if Michael 

734
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,680
Redford lay with her, it would 
be on the wrong side of the bed.

735
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,040
He was right about she was right
about that too. 

736
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,840
So again, the responsibility for
all this gets pushed away from 

737
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,680
the person with the most agency.
The man is the one with the 

738
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,080
power here, whether it's a 
teenager, a teenage Squire, Red 

739
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,440
Fort or teenage Lord and waiting
Robert Baratheon. 

740
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:38,640
Bastards are assumed to be lusty
and wanton because of the act 

741
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,720
that made them. 
The blame is pushed on to the 

742
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,760
child, and the responsibility of
taking care of the child is 

743
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,520
generally pushed on to the 
woman, the mother, where the 

744
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,040
father just goes off and lives 
their noble life, mostly 

745
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,240
pretending it never happened. 
Unless they happen to like the 

746
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,920
kid, or the kid is, you know, 
skilled in some way, then maybe 

747
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,760
that changes. 
In fact, this is perhaps a dark 

748
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,440
angle to why Michael was 
attracted to Maya in the 1st 

749
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,920
place. 
He's a young kid growing up 

750
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,520
hearing what bastards are in 
Westeros. 

751
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,320
What is he told? 
They're wanton and lusty. 

752
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,360
If you're a 131415 year old boy,
that's a plus. 

753
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,800
Like wanton and lusty, you say? 
That sounds great, right? 

754
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,880
So it's, it's a double edged 
sword. 

755
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,640
It it denigrates them in 
society, puts them on a lower 

756
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,680
social standing and it attracts 
this sort of interest, this bad 

757
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,000
interest, this negative interest
that leads to these negative 

758
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960
outcomes. 
So yeah, Nina suggests that, but

759
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,280
maybe that's exactly what he was
hoping for me, that she would 

760
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,520
conform to these bastard lusty, 
wanton stereotypes. 

761
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,320
It's exactly what he wanted. 
It doesn't mean he didn't care 

762
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,840
about her to some extent, but in
a in a I'll only care about you 

763
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,520
as long as I care about you type
of way. 

764
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,520
Like this is won't last for her.
My's thinking this is everything

765
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,600
for Michael. 
He might be saying that maybe to

766
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,160
a certain extent he's convincing
himself. 

767
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,480
But if he were to really sit 
down and have a talk with his 

768
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,880
father or someone else, or as 
the adults in the room, they'd 

769
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,320
be like, dude, come on. 
You know, you're going to marry 

770
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,120
a noble woman, your father, 
like. 

771
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,400
So there's a big wide range here
of him being almost as naive or 

772
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,360
him just lying to her, pushing 
all this like, yeah, I love you,

773
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,000
blah, blah, blah. 
You know, we'll be together. 

774
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,480
But just knowing that time, 
that's not true. 

775
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,000
It's hard to say. 
We don't know Michael very well.

776
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,680
We haven't seen him much at all.
But we only see these things 

777
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,080
from afar. 
However Michael is there at the 

778
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,440
tourney. 
That's what Sansa meant or Elena

779
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,160
meant by thinking. 
Yeah, that scowl on her face 

780
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160
comes from having Michael 
Redford nearby. 

781
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,880
And yeah, he's there for the 
tournament. 

782
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,640
So she's trying to avoid him. 
You kind of wonder whether she's

783
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,920
going to watch the tournament. 
Will she, I mean, not 

784
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,120
participate? 
Will she, you know, sit in the 

785
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,040
stands and be a spectator? 
Or is it just she just kind of 

786
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,400
done with it all? 
I don't know. 

787
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,760
And that's interesting because 
that the Tournament of the Wing 

788
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,360
Knights comes with a lot of 
speculation on things that could

789
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,520
happen. 
You know, whether it's an attack

790
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,200
by the Klansman or whether Sir 
Shadrick is going to make his 

791
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,560
move on Elaine. 
You know, Mia isn't directly 

792
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,040
connected to these things, but 
could be sucked into them 

793
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,960
somehow. 
Obviously, maybe attack of the 

794
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,320
Klansman could involve all sorts
of people in this chapter where 

795
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,960
Sansa notes for Scowl. 
She doesn't actually appear 

796
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,480
again in that chapter, but we 
can certainly speculate on what 

797
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,760
comes next. 
Now there's a person interested 

798
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,280
in her that isn't Michael, and 
that's Lothor Brune, captain of 

799
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,800
Littlefinger's Guards. 
He has romantic feelings for 

800
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,160
her. 
Now, he could declare his love 

801
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,680
for her at the tournament, you 
know, in a, in a kind of a 

802
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,720
chivalrous, you know, romantic 
style or what have you. 

803
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:53,280
Or he could do it behind closed 
doors. 

804
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,200
But it seems like it's coming. 
He's, she's not going to be 

805
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,160
those one of those girls who 
hands out a favor like Elaine, 

806
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,000
Will and maybe some of these 
other noble girls like a Miranda

807
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Royce. 
But it's still a festive 

808
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,960
opportunity. 
It's a festive moment. 

809
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,400
Feelings would be high, 
positivity would be in the air. 

810
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,040
Maybe Lothor doesn't clock that 
Mia is not feeling it because of

811
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,960
Michael Redford. 
He may not be aware of all that,

812
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,120
but either way, he's a 
reasonable match for her in in 

813
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,520
terms of status. 
He's the captain of the guards. 

814
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,400
He's a knight. 
He is nobly born, though on the 

815
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,640
lower end of it still, he's a 
Brune that is nobly born. 

816
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,600
Even though the Bruins don't 
accept him, it still counts. 

817
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,760
He's also competent. 
He's shown that he's a good 

818
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,800
fighter. 
He was good in the Battle of 

819
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,240
Blackwater. 
He's Lothor, Apple Eater if you 

820
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,400
recall, did some damage to the 
fossil ways. 

821
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,600
They just keep coming up, don't 
they? 

822
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,400
So it's definitely seems 
possible that that's a 

823
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,400
connection. 
That's that who she ends up 

824
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,920
having a relationship with. 
Maybe her marriage, but there's 

825
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,840
nothing whatsoever to indicate 
she's into him. 

826
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,280
We know he's into her, but you 
know, this has got to be a two 

827
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,280
way St. 
She's not going to be forced 

828
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,040
into this. 
This isn't like that. 

829
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,080
I don't think. 
Of course Lords can tell anyone 

830
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,600
who is in their domain who to 
marry, but I don't think sweet 

831
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,000
Robin is terribly concerned with
with this right now. 

832
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,360
That's pretty low on the list. 
And I don't think Littlefinger 

833
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,280
or his people care much either. 
I don't think they're too 

834
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,760
worried about Mia. 
They're they're, I don't think 

835
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,720
she's on his radar very much, 
but I do think he knows who she 

836
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,840
is. 
If there was an angle to for him

837
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,720
to gain out of Maya's parentage,
if there was something for a 

838
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,440
little finger to gain out of who
his father is, who her father 

839
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,640
is, he would exploit it. 
But I don't think there is. 

840
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,640
I don't see what he can do. 
Like Nina said, who's going to 

841
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,160
rally behind her? 
She's the way she was raised and

842
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,200
her employment sets her as lower
status despite who her father 

843
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,040
is. 
It works against her King's 

844
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,840
blood in that sense. 
So, yeah, I just don't know that

845
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,880
he has much of A political use 
for her as a piece in the Game 

846
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,960
of Thrones. 
Might not be a very valuable 

847
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,880
piece in terms of that, which is
good for her. 

848
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,960
She doesn't need to be pulled 
into all that, right? 

849
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,880
That's not positive. 
She's like, yeah, I'm raring to 

850
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,560
play the game with Nah, She's 
she loves her job. 

851
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,640
I think she wants to stay where 
she is. 

852
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,920
So who knows Who knows about her
identity, given it it is an open

853
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,320
secret. 
It's hard to tell. 

854
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Like, I'm guessing that 
Littlefinger. 

855
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,720
Yeah. 
Is he know any open secrets? 

856
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,760
That guy knows. 
He knows a lot of the secret 

857
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,080
secrets. 
So I kind of doubt that one 

858
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,520
slipped past him since Maddie, a
serving girl, told Sansa. 

859
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,880
Like, how many? 
How quiet can this be? 

860
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,680
But it gets back to her. 
Michael Redford didn't seem to 

861
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,800
hint at knowing. 
And maybe she doesn't either, 

862
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,560
right. 
It might because Michael says my

863
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,200
father must have been a go. 
Well, did you correct him? 

864
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,600
Did you say my father was Robert
Baratheon? 

865
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,160
I don't know. 
Doesn't seem like she did. 

866
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,240
So it's kind of one of those 
things where like it's an open 

867
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,880
secret that's kept from her, 
like no one's told her, which is

868
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,560
that credible? 
I think it could be. 

869
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,400
I think it's possible. 
But on the other hand, she knows

870
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,000
she's called Maya Stone, Mia 
Stone, and she knows that like 

871
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,760
everybody in that world, that 
you don't get the bastard 

872
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,360
surname unless your parents are 
noble or one of them is noble. 

873
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,720
She knows her mother isn't. 
So did she really just not think

874
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,040
about it like, well, my father 
was somebody important? 

875
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,680
Is that the end of those 
thoughts? 

876
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,040
Did she not dig any deeper? 
Did she not ask around? 

877
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,400
She's got to know other people 
would have met this man. 

878
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,560
Did she not ask her own mother? 
Right? 

879
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,760
Is we don't know what happened 
to her. 

880
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,200
If her own mother's alive, then 
hey, mom, who's my dad? 

881
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,920
Right? 
Simple question. 

882
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,960
Like most kids are going to ask 
that. 

883
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,520
So I lean towards her knowing 
it's hard. 

884
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,000
It would be hard to keep that 
from her. 

885
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,400
And she's not like, she's not 
12, she's like 18. 

886
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,600
So it's a long time for that to 
have escaped her notice. 

887
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,760
And she that's setting aside her
own potential, digging her own 

888
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,720
curiosity into her own heritage.
Maybe she just doesn't want to 

889
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:01,400
know. 
Maybe she's got that sort of 

890
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,760
advanced wisdom, wisdom beyond 
her years, where she's realizes 

891
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,600
that knowing isn't going to do 
her any good. 

892
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,640
She's like, well, if if my 
father doesn't want to know me 

893
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,240
to know him, there might be a 
good reason for that. 

894
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,080
Maybe it's kind of a bitterness 
to it. 

895
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,080
Like, yeah, he doesn't want me, 
but so I don't want to know who 

896
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,840
he is. 
That's a Brathian kind of 

897
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,480
stubbornness. 
So I could see that being there.

898
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Like she could have that level 
of I don't want to know. 

899
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,320
I'm dedicated to not knowing. 
Screw him. 

900
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,760
I don't care. 
I don't want to know him. 

901
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,800
He didn't want to take care of 
me. 

902
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:34,480
I don't want to know him. 
The intensity of an emotion that

903
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,080
develops like that in childhood 
and you can hold on to it and 

904
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,160
cling to it and gain strength 
from it or at least maintain 

905
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,160
your stubbornness. 
Yeah. 

906
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,680
I mean, mule personality, stag 
personality. 

907
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,080
Robert's child. 
Yeah. 

908
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,400
This is this kid has some 
ancestral stubbornness alongside

909
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,040
her own cultivated stubbornness 
with the lifestyle she leads 

910
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,320
and, and and her own attitudes. 
So, yeah, I wonder if her own 

911
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,520
internal stubbornness has kept 
her from addressing this 

912
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,080
question. 
You know, it is some sort of 

913
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,640
denial. 
You know, we've seen that 

914
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,320
before. 
It's denial can be really 

915
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,560
powerful. 
What would she do with the 

916
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,560
knowledge that she's Robert's 
child if she did know she took 

917
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,320
it to heart? 
What would she do with that? 

918
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,480
Would she be proud of it? 
Would she be mad at Robert? 

919
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,080
Would there be? 
There's probably some mixed 

920
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,360
feelings. 
I thought it would just be one 

921
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,240
or two emotions and that's it, 
right. 

922
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,360
This is a big deal. 
Learning about your father, 

923
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,480
maybe later in life, confronting
these things. 

924
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,600
So. 
Yeah, it's a it's a fascinating 

925
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,120
question that gets into both 
questions of monarchy and 

926
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,080
royalty, but also just questions
of humanity and parents, you 

927
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,480
know, very basic human things. 
So yeah, there, there isn't a 

928
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,720
bit of an advantage to being a 
woman in this spot. 

929
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:49,240
You know, it's in a patriarchy. 
It's usually not the advantages 

930
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,040
of women we speak about. 
But there is an advantage here, 

931
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,120
which is that, yeah, you don't 
want to be in the Game of 

932
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,120
Thrones. 
You don't want to be thrown into

933
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,640
that mess where it's dangerous 
and deadly and you win or you 

934
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,720
die. 
If you choose to be in that, OK,

935
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,960
that's your own consent, your 
own will. 

936
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,400
But you don't want to be pulled 
into that without your consent, 

937
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,360
without your, you know, And it 
doesn't seem like Maya is at all

938
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,120
interested in that life or that 
part of her, that possibility, 

939
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,120
that potential. 
She's not wanting. 

940
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,560
She doesn't want to walk down 
that road. 

941
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,680
The only path she wants to walk 
is the narrow path that the 

942
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,680
mules walk. 
She's not trying to walk that 

943
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,640
golden road or that Royal Rd. 
that King's Road. 

944
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,920
Nope. 
No, no, no. 

945
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,280
So being less of a threat is 
probably good for her. 

946
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,320
That's probably keeping her out 
of harm's way. 

947
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,840
She's in grief over Michael. 
But I mean, this is a song of 

948
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,000
ice with fire. 
Grief over a breakup doesn't 

949
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,600
really register very high in 
terms of the bad things that 

950
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,760
happened in this world. 
We got war, we got death, We got

951
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,480
all sorts of awful things. 
What? 

952
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,960
What? 
What young person doesn't go 

953
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,320
through a few breakups early in 
life? 

954
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,640
You learn from that. 
It's not such a bad thing, You 

955
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,400
know, she'll be stronger for it 
in the long run. 

956
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,760
And it's good that she's not 
actually deeply involved with 

957
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,440
this guy. 
He's probably not a great dude. 

958
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,760
Yeah. 
So maybe Lo Thorbrun isn't bad, 

959
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,080
isn't good for her either. 
After all, Lo Thorbrun works for

960
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,000
Littlefinger. 
That's not the. 

961
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,320
Doesn't reflect terribly well on
you, and that's your employer. 

962
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,440
But they'd have their own bear 
in the maiden fair thing going 

963
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,600
if they did hook up because, you
know, he he, she's the one with 

964
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,440
the big black hair. 
But he's how Brune is a brown 

965
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,640
bear sigil. 
So yeah. 

966
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:22,320
Anyway, the veil in general, if 
we take a if we take a higher 

967
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,760
level view here, as high as 
honor, the veil has been kind of

968
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:26,960
separate from the rest of the 
realm. 

969
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,000
They've been doing their own 
thing. 

970
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,800
Lysaaron closed them off from 
the War of 5 Kings, But that is 

971
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,840
coming to an end at some point, 
Maybe some point pretty soon. 

972
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,040
Will Maya be relevant to that 
opening of the veil? 

973
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,680
I don't know. 
I kind of lean towards no. 

974
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,920
I don't think she's going to go 
north with sense. 

975
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,800
That seems weird. 
Why would she go north? 

976
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,920
Why would she go to the 
Winterfell? 

977
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,160
Why would? 
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. 

978
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,720
I just can't come up with a 
reason why, especially because 

979
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,520
she loves where she is already. 
Why would she? 

980
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,880
Why would she want to go there? 
A. 

981
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,440
And if she's made to go there, 
for what purpose? 

982
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,120
Right? 
I just don't understand. 

983
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:00,760
On the other hand, during 
winter, she's not making the 

984
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,720
mule runs anymore. 
The area, as we said, is closed 

985
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,600
for quite a while and would be 
it's going to remain so for who 

986
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,880
knows how long. 
So maybe her her job's a little 

987
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,240
different, right? 
I don't know. 

988
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,120
Her employment situation is 
doesn't have as much to do. 

989
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,360
I don't know. 
Maybe that's a reason for her to

990
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,400
go somewhere else, but I don't 
know. 

991
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,360
I don't. 
I don't think so. 

992
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,640
Yeah. 
I don't see her leaving the 

993
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,160
bail. 
You guys weigh in. 

994
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,000
Let me know if you have 
different theories about her. 

995
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,840
If she does leave the Vale, it 
could be in the epilogue 

996
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,480
scenario. 
Maybe she'd marries Lothor 

997
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,720
Brune. 
Lothor Brune was promised a 

998
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:35,280
castle or keep land of some sort
in the Riverlands. 

999
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,360
Problem is that was promised him
by the by Joffrey by the 

1000
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,760
Lannister regime. 
So that may not be good. 

1001
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,480
That may not hold up in court so
to speak later on. 

1002
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,120
And of course, if Sweet Robin 
dies, if Littlefinger has him 

1003
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,080
killed and then Littlefinger 
himself goes away, all sorts of 

1004
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,960
things could happen in the Vale 
while they're gone. 

1005
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,400
Maya could be could be there 
while chaos happens, while the 

1006
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,200
Vale armies goes NA lot of 
possibilities. 

1007
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,320
But ultimately I find her. 
Of the three bastards we're 

1008
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,920
going to discuss today, I find 
hers end game the hardest to 

1009
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,080
guess at. 
I think, you know, Edrick is a 

1010
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,640
little more tied into the 
potential ancestry to, to, to 

1011
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,160
the royal wine, to Storm's End. 
Gendry doesn't even know his 

1012
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,040
heritage. 
So it's a little harder to 

1013
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:26,560
figure where she's going in that
sense because they all, they're 

1014
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,880
all doing other things out in 
the world. 

1015
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,720
So I have there's less gravity 
pulling her into the Game of 

1016
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:31,760
Thrones. 
That doesn't mean it won't, 

1017
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,000
though. 
I'd love to hear your ideas on 

1018
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,680
Mia, on her, on her outlook, on 
her character, maybe some 

1019
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,240
personality traits that I missed
or didn't address as thoroughly 

1020
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:44,880
as we could have let us know. 
But in the meantime, let us move

1021
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,440
on Gendry, the one we know the 
most about, the character that 

1022
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,320
we have the most insight on, the
one who's on screen the most. 

1023
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,400
He was born in 284, not all that
long after the end of Robert 

1024
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,800
Rebellion, his father's 
rebellion, which is a reminder 

1025
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,080
of how quickly Robert was out 
there in brothels after marrying

1026
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,240
Cersei. 
Right away, essentially, Yeah. 

1027
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,040
And this is par for the course 
with Robert. 

1028
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,760
He had already fathered a child 
during the rebellion. 

1029
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,120
That's Bella, who is the 4th 
most known of the bastards. 

1030
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,240
But I didn't really, You know, 
we didn't really have time for 

1031
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,120
four Baratheon bastards in this 
episode. 

1032
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,360
This is already a lengthy 1, So 
he wasn't going to hold back. 

1033
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,200
Like he what's going to stop him
if that's what he's willing to 

1034
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,400
do? 
Like he's literally fathering a 

1035
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,120
child while he's being hunted by
Jon Connington. 

1036
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,840
And he's during like during the 
proto stages of rebellion, he's 

1037
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,280
still doing that. 
So this man is is not going to 

1038
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,360
set that aside so easily. 
He's going to take time for his 

1039
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:53,000
pleasures and not care much 
about the downside or the the 

1040
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,960
problems that it creates because
again, someone else will 

1041
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,200
probably take care of that for 
him. 

1042
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,680
So his mother was a Tavern 
wench. 

1043
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,160
She died young. 
Gendry remembers her as blonde 

1044
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,400
that she would sing to him. 
The blonde is a nice little 

1045
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,520
touch by George because it's a 
yet again, an example of the 

1046
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,240
seat is strong. 
It's the coal over the gold 

1047
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,840
again, right? 
It's a it's one of the more 

1048
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,640
subtle examples of it, but it 
stands just as tall when you 

1049
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,160
line it up against the others. 
Joffrey golden hair, Tom and 

1050
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,760
golden. 
Of course, they didn't actually 

1051
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,320
have Robert as a father, but the
point that's the point that they

1052
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,520
would have had black hair if 
they did, because all the ones 

1053
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,960
that Robert actually did father 
do have black hair. 

1054
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,200
It's it's like a 100% rate of 
this. 

1055
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,760
It's extremely strong genetics. 
And actually Gendry looks more 

1056
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,800
like Renly than looks like 
Robert, partly because of the 

1057
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,880
the proximity in age. 
Gendry's closer to Renly in age 

1058
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,120
at this time. 
As we mentioned before, Brienne,

1059
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,400
it's so much a resemblance that 
Brienne is struck dumb by it. 

1060
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,000
He's she's, she actually says 
Renly and he's like, what? 

1061
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,720
And he's like what She's like, 
Whoa, hang on, I'm, I'm 

1062
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,640
feverish. 
That can't be Renly. 

1063
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,880
But it's so overwhelming in that
moment. 

1064
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,480
She actually, the word actually 
escapes her lips. 

1065
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,720
Now, Gendry does not take after 
his father in terms of women. 

1066
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:13,920
He is not a womanizer. 
If anything, he's a little shy. 

1067
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,880
We see that with Bella of all 
things. 

1068
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,960
It's kind of humorous that Bella
maybe not flirts with him 

1069
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,160
because she's actually 
interested, but she's a sex 

1070
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,760
worker. 
She's flirting with a potential 

1071
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,320
customer right now. 
Sex workers don't just pick any 

1072
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,520
random person. 
They're going to have 

1073
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,360
preferences like anybody else. 
But still, this isn't 

1074
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,640
necessarily like a genuine 
attraction. 

1075
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,880
But it's funny if it is because 
they're brother and sister and 

1076
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,920
don't know it, right? 
Bella is was fathered there at 

1077
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,840
the Peach. 
Gendry ends up at the Peach. 

1078
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,480
They both have similar hair. 
They both have the blue eyes. 

1079
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,840
But yeah, this is what by 
comparing Gendry to Renly and 

1080
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,880
putting him in similar 
situations as Robert. 

1081
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:03,040
Now Gendry isn't gay like Renly,
but he's not out there fathering

1082
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,160
bastards for sleeping around 
Also like Renly for different 

1083
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,440
reason, but he's not doing it, 
which makes him similar to Renly

1084
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,720
in that regard as well. 
But and Renly looks like a 

1085
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,400
younger Robert and Gendry looks 
like that. 

1086
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,400
So we're kind of getting a 
window into what Robert looked 

1087
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,880
like in his prime. 
He looked like a Gendry or a 

1088
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,640
Renly did, but maybe a little 
bit bigger. 

1089
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,240
But in current times, when we 
know when Robert's in the story,

1090
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,560
he's no longer that, he's no 
longer handsome and fit. 

1091
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,840
Like when he married Cersei, 
Cersei remembers him as being 

1092
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,680
like the most perfect manly 
specimen, even though she wasn't

1093
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,400
into him in the 1st place. 
She wanted to marry Rhaegar, 

1094
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,320
which he actually saw him, you 
know, standing there in his 

1095
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,600
armor getting ready to get 
married. 

1096
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,440
She's like, OK, actually, but 
that only lasted like an hour 

1097
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,840
until he got drunk and 
whisperedly on his name in her 

1098
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,960
ear. 
So, yeah, real quick for that 

1099
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,960
one, Robert. 
Also, by not parenting Gendry, 

1100
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,440
Gendry didn't witness his 
father's womanizing. 

1101
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,040
That may have been a real turn 
off or it may have been the the 

1102
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,680
wrong kind of influence. 
He may be like, yeah, I'm going 

1103
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,360
to do that like my dad. 
So it's a there's a little bit 

1104
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,920
of a conspiracy theory that 
Dendry's mother was murdered to 

1105
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,200
conceal his identity, but it 
doesn't seem very likely. 

1106
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,800
Because if you're going to do 
that, why not do it sooner? 

1107
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,160
Why not do it like right away? 
If they were worried about that,

1108
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,760
you wouldn't take the chance and
just let it go for a few years. 

1109
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,400
Like Gendry does have memories 
of her. 

1110
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,320
I believe it far more likely 
Virus was just keeping an eye on

1111
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,680
her, maybe giving her some money
to make sure she was taken care 

1112
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,960
of, to make sure she didn't talk
or to bank this for later. 

1113
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,200
For Viruses could have a plan 
for Gendry down the line, a way 

1114
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,720
to use this against Robert or 
against the the Lannisters or 

1115
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:45,640
something. 
Something that fits in his long 

1116
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,000
term plan with Fagon, with Young
Griff. 

1117
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,120
In fact maybe even including a 
Gendry, maybe even a Gendry or 

1118
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,920
Edric Storm are part of his long
term plans. 

1119
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,800
We've talked about in other 
circumstances, Virus and Illyria

1120
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:02,360
stashing airs like Tywin or like
Tyrion or Tyrek for Casterly 

1121
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,400
Rock. 
They may have a plan for Storms 

1122
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,680
End. 
They certainly don't not have a 

1123
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,360
plan for Storms End. 
You're not going to have a 20 

1124
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,520
year plan to take the throne 
with your hidden candidate and 

1125
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,920
not consider the seven great 
houses as part of that plan. 

1126
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,440
Yeah, like, oh, we kind of 
forgot about Storms End. 

1127
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,480
Yeah. 
Now this isn't David and Dan 

1128
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,240
making ATV show. 
So that's also good for Gendry 

1129
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,880
that Cersei doesn't know who he 
is. 

1130
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,240
Because we know that when Cersei
found out about Gendry, she did 

1131
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,000
find out about him. 
She made she wanted him dead 

1132
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,080
right away, which tells us she 
didn't know about it before. 

1133
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,520
If she had known who he was, she
would have had him killed 

1134
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,600
beforehand most likely. 
But she only made a move on him 

1135
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,920
after Robert's death, which 
maybe she wasn't worried about 

1136
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,200
any competing problems there. 
Maybe she just wasn't worried 

1137
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,040
about it because her children 
come first and there's no way 

1138
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,040
this, you know, blacksmith boy 
is going to usurp her own 

1139
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,200
children. 
But maybe she maybe she's 

1140
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,880
doesn't want to take that 
chance. 

1141
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,640
And also, what we said before, 
it isn't just about the danger 

1142
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:19,240
of succession stuff. 
It she, Cersei murdered 2 twins 

1143
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,640
that were born at Casterly Rock 
because Robert fathered them. 

1144
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,240
I don't think she was worried 
about the political implications

1145
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,800
of that either. 
Again, it was the shame, the 

1146
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,280
embarrassment that just Robert 
is shaming me by having these 

1147
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,840
kids. 
I want them gone. 

1148
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,680
Again, Gendry doesn't 
necessarily fit into that 

1149
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,760
because he was born, I guess, 
you know, he was born after 

1150
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,000
Cersei was married to her, but 
he, he she doesn't necessarily 

1151
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,440
know that, but she would assume 
he was. 

1152
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,120
So, yeah. 
So that puts him in danger, a 

1153
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,800
danger he wasn't in until she 
found out. 

1154
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,040
So how did she find out? 
Who told her? 

1155
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,440
My best guess is Littlefinger, 
right? 

1156
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,280
Littlefinger, probably. 
He's like, hey, I'm Mr. Chaos. 

1157
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,040
I want to cause the Great Houses
to fight each other. 

1158
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,920
You know, I want Cersei to be 
distracted from what I'm doing. 

1159
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,080
And there's really no one better
than Cersei for causing chaos 

1160
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,520
and distractions while 
Littlefinger can do stuff while 

1161
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,120
she's creating those 
distractions. 

1162
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,040
So him telling her when things 
are falling apart, when the 

1163
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,840
Civil War is getting ready to 
break loose, what better timing 

1164
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,720
for a Littlefinger be like, hey,
Robert's got a kid right here, 

1165
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,800
aren't you worried about that? 
Right. 

1166
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,360
I I mean, yeah, I think that's 
entirely possible. 

1167
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,360
She acted. 
She immediately had Berra killed

1168
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,840
then, too, and she didn't have 
that done before. 

1169
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,920
So, yeah, like, this all came 
out when things started to slip 

1170
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,480
into a succession crisis 
situation. 

1171
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,080
Now going back to Gendry's life,
when his mother passed, let's 

1172
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,680
say Varys took over from that 
point and said, OK, his mother's

1173
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,240
no longer raising him. 
He probably judged his mother 

1174
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,520
wasn't a problem. 
It's like, OK, she is smart 

1175
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,560
enough to keep it quiet. 
She is wise enough to understand

1176
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,920
that blaring out loud, who this 
boy's father is is not unlikely 

1177
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,040
to get him killed. 
That is not in your child's best

1178
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,320
interest. 
She's one of those mothers that 

1179
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,920
is not going to use this boy as 
leverage or ambition. 

1180
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:15,200
She cares about the kid and will
mother him in secret so that his

1181
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,200
parentage doesn't come out 
because that's bad for him. 

1182
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,120
So she's a seat comes off even 
though she's nameless, faceless,

1183
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,000
she comes off as one of the good
ones, unlike Berra who is not a 

1184
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,960
bad one. 
She's a naive one. 

1185
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,480
More on her in a minute. 
She didn't know to keep quiet is

1186
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,640
my point. 
But Gendry's mother apparently 

1187
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,600
did and that's why they 
seemingly let her be. 

1188
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,080
But when she died, Vars had to 
step in and be like, hey, we 

1189
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,840
need to make sure this kid is 
well, what? 

1190
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,520
What was Varus's angle here? 
Is he a stash? 

1191
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:49,280
Edric Storm hadn't been born yet
when he first sent Gendry over 

1192
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,280
to Tabo Mott apparently. 
Or or maybe not. 

1193
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,840
We don't know the exact timeline
here, but it looks like Gendry 

1194
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,520
has been with Tabo Mott for 
perhaps as long as a decade as 

1195
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:02,840
apprentice Smith for that long. 
So let's delve a little deeper 

1196
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,720
into this because it's pretty 
interesting, but let's also back

1197
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,080
up and get some set up stuff 
done here. 

1198
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:15,880
First appearance for Gendry. 
Basically, Ned is following John

1199
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,960
Aaron's footsteps, trying to 
track down the same information 

1200
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,360
that John Aaron was, trying to 
see if that's what got him 

1201
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,440
killed and what else is at the 
end of this trail, and it leads 

1202
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,680
him to Gendry among other 
things. 

1203
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:32,840
So Ned is already knowledgeable 
about Robert having bastards. 

1204
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,000
He knows he's seen them, he's 
seen Mia, he's seen others. 

1205
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,320
He thinks about them. 
Net isn't a super clever guy, 

1206
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,680
but there's just no mistaking 
Robert's look. 

1207
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,240
And it's extremely familiar to 
him. 

1208
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,400
He grew up with Robert, Robert's
best friend. 

1209
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,440
They they were teenagers 
together. 

1210
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,760
I mean, this is extremely 
familiar to him. 

1211
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,080
Now here's that really important
scene where we meet Gendry and 

1212
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,320
Tabo Mott. 
And it's just a wonderful 

1213
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,920
exchange between people who 
actually care about a child 

1214
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,480
rather than using them as 
ambition. 

1215
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,200
And you see this wonderful 
moment of mutual respect quote. 

1216
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:13,440
The master called over a tall 
lad about Rob's age, his arms 

1217
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:18,400
and chest corded with muscle. 
This is Lord Stark, the new Hand

1218
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,120
of the King. 
He told him as the boy looked at

1219
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:27,480
Ned through sullen blue eyes and
pushed back sweat soaked hair 

1220
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,760
with his fingers. 
Thick hair, shaggy and unkempt 

1221
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,400
and black as ink. 
The shadow of a new beard 

1222
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,840
darkened his jaw. 
Hard to imagine that could be 

1223
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,680
had such short cropped haired 
Gendry. 

1224
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:40,800
Yeah, right. 
Yeah, and. 

1225
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,120
Messy. 
Yeah, and of course, as to 

1226
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,480
repeat what I said in the intro,
Ned is not even for a second 

1227
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,280
going to think, well, maybe it's
Stannis or Renly's bastard. 

1228
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,680
Yeah, no way. 
Stannis. 

1229
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,440
No. 
Renly even even more. 

1230
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Nope. 
Well, I don't know. 

1231
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,360
Both just so Nope. 
It's just yeah, it's just major 

1232
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,480
Nope on both of them. 
I mean, Renly could have had one

1233
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,880
just because he's trying to 
overcompensate for things. 

1234
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,440
It's like, yeah, more weirdly 
more possible for Renly than. 

1235
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,680
Stannis, but it wouldn't be an 
18 year old because Renly was 5 

1236
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:16,000
when Gendry was born, right? 
Or digitious time talent. 

1237
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,160
Right. 
He's a stag. 

1238
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,320
He's ready to go. 
Yeah. 

1239
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,960
Rutting at six. 
There's also some dark humor 

1240
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,200
here, besides the humor we just 
dropped there. 

1241
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,400
Gendry is seen, Robert. 
He's saw. 

1242
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,600
He's like that drunken king. 
He almost got run over by him, 

1243
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,600
by his horse. 
Gendry almost got run over by 

1244
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,120
Robert's horse. 
And he Yeah, he's like that 

1245
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,440
dude's a drunk. 
You're right, Gendry. 

1246
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,680
He is. 
He's just also your dad. 

1247
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:42,520
So in this scene, Ned figures 
out that Gendry doesn't know who

1248
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,040
his father is. 
He's then he's concerned about 

1249
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,520
Tabama. 
He's like, what is this Tabama 

1250
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,720
character all about? 
Is this guy really the man that 

1251
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,040
should be guarding Gendry? 
What's his what's his take? 

1252
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,360
Does he have an angle? 
Is he is he trying to 

1253
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,640
manipulate? 
Is he trying to play the game? 

1254
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,480
But Ned asks a few pointed 
questions and drops his worry 

1255
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,320
quickly. 
He sees, Nah, this guy is the 

1256
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,360
true steal. 
He's like, this guy has Gendry's

1257
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,360
best interests at heart. 
And that must be difficult for 

1258
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,080
Ned to figure. 
He, he, he, he gets, I think 

1259
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,040
that Virus arranged all this, 
but he doesn't understand 

1260
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,240
Virus's angle. 
Frankly, neither do I. 

1261
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,960
There's a lot, there's a streak 
of Virus that really seems like 

1262
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,280
he actually cares about some of 
these kids. 

1263
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,240
He also is willing to do awful 
things to children like the 

1264
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:32,480
little birds. 
But one of the real most 

1265
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,440
poignant pieces of evidence, 
character evidence for Virus 

1266
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:42,400
himself being a noble bastard 
that was abandoned is that he 

1267
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:48,280
has pretty well documented care 
concern for some of these 

1268
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,080
bashful he did. 
Why does he care about Gendry if

1269
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,920
he's got an Edric or if he's got
why does he send Gendry to the 

1270
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,320
Knights watch if he wants to 
stash him as a claimant? 

1271
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,560
That's the worst place to put 
somebody that you you've 

1272
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:03,000
forsaken your your name. 
It doesn't work that way, right?

1273
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,720
You know a king can undo your 
vows like that, but you're if 

1274
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,480
you're the one with the King's 
blood, we're going to legitimize

1275
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,080
yourself. 
I don't know. 

1276
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,880
I got it. 
Doesn't seem to fit. 

1277
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,320
It seems like there actually is 
a soft spot Virus has here for 

1278
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,440
people like this, which is part 
of why people like myself think 

1279
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,800
he might be a person like that 
himself. 

1280
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,680
He might be some air black fire 
or otherwise. 

1281
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,160
Now that's really getting into 
virus territory though, so let's

1282
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,760
bring it back to Gendry and Tabo
Mott. 

1283
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,960
Just like Ned is like, is this 
Tabo Mott guy going to take good

1284
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,600
care of Gendry? 
He realizes, yes. 

1285
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,840
Meanwhile, Tabo Mott has the 
same concern. 

1286
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,880
Let's not forget we're seeing it
through Ned's eyes. 

1287
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,480
And that's one of the things 
that Ned realizes that Tabo is 

1288
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,960
checking him out too. 
And it's like you're checking 

1289
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,680
out whether I'm going to do bad 
things. 

1290
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,240
He's hiding Gendry from me, 
which is good. 

1291
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,520
Like he's not giving this kids 
identity up even to me, even 

1292
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,480
when being pressed. 
That's exactly what I wanted to 

1293
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,760
see. 
Tab Ho Mott. 

1294
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,040
You're a good man. 
So they both kind of like it 

1295
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,800
that it's kind of like that, 
that knowing not you're like 

1296
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:06,640
this guy. 
This guy knows what's up. 

1297
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,640
I'm on his team. 
We're on we're on the same team 

1298
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,520
here, even though they're never 
going to interact again, 

1299
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,440
probably like I like this guy. 
He likes me passing ships in the

1300
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,800
night. 
Respect. 

1301
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,920
Move on. 
There's no ulterior motive. 

1302
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,400
They both realize that of the 
other. 

1303
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,760
Now this, they both have 
Gendry's best interest in mind, 

1304
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,960
which is they would not have 
expected that. 

1305
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,560
That's not the default. 
You expect, you expect ambition,

1306
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,760
you expect someone to be out for
themselves. 

1307
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,760
So they're like, that's why they
got to ask these questions. 

1308
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,720
That's why they got to be sure. 
There's an extra level of 

1309
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,080
cleverness in Varus's stashing 
him with Tabho Mott here. 

1310
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,600
And let's remember it. 
It was Varus for sure that did 

1311
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,600
this. 
What I mean by that is 

1312
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,680
blacksmiths are one of the most 
valued common born professions, 

1313
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:52,800
right? 
If you don't have high birth or 

1314
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,680
station or wealth, blacksmith is
one of the best professions you 

1315
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,240
can have. 
It's generally a man's 

1316
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,200
profession, but it because it 
keeps you alive. 

1317
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,960
It's you're valuable armies that
would normally kill anyone that 

1318
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,840
has no value to them. 
Well, blacksmiths have great 

1319
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,360
value to them. 
Even the bloody mummers won't 

1320
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,360
kill a Smith even like Dothraki 
would think twice about that 

1321
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,880
right? 
That's that's just a most 

1322
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,720
valuable kind of person you can 
have. 

1323
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:26,120
If you are a guy with armies, 
you need horseshoes, swords, 

1324
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,880
armor, fixing, all of the above,
etcetera. 

1325
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,880
That literally happens. 
Gendry would have been killed by

1326
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,560
the bloody Mummers and or by 
Roose Bolton. 

1327
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,920
But in both cases they're like, 
oh, you're a Smith. 

1328
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,640
Step over to the not going to be
killed, tortured or assaulted 

1329
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,400
line and you know, we'll pull 
you aside. 

1330
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,720
You get better treatment. 
Not good treatment, but better 

1331
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,720
treatment. 
And of course, he had already 

1332
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,200
made that helmet, the bulls head
helm, which was kind of his 

1333
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,600
resume, right? 
People are like, who are you? 

1334
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:00,960
What you're doing? 
They don't look at him and think

1335
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,960
blacksmith. 
They don't doubt it when they 

1336
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,000
hear it, though, because he's 
big and muscular like, Oh yeah, 

1337
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,000
OK, that tracks. 
Yeah, OK, OK. 

1338
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,400
And it's also he's also strong. 
He he show maybe showed that 

1339
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,640
promise. 
Like look at the size of this 

1340
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,800
kid or maybe it's Robert's kid. 
He's probably going to grow up 

1341
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,840
strong. 
Maybe it was a bit of prediction

1342
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:20,640
because again, we don't know 
when his mother died. 

1343
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,960
His mother, but probably pretty 
young because he doesn't have 

1344
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,359
much of a memory of her. 
So virus wouldn't have been 

1345
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:29,200
going out on too much of A limb 
thinking this. 

1346
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,279
This kid will be perfectly 
comfortable wielding a hammer in

1347
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,479
a non combat situation. 
Donald Noy, Hugh Hammer, and 

1348
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,920
things like that were human. 
Hammer's father, you know. 

1349
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:47,160
Now, Tabo Mott would have also 
been clocked by Varis as a man 

1350
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,920
trustworthy in this spot, 
something that Varis did long 

1351
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,279
before Ned figured this out. 
Varis did it, but Virus had to 

1352
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,120
act. 
After Robert's death, that level

1353
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,479
of protection was no longer 
enough. 

1354
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,880
Maybe he knew Littlefinger would
tell. 

1355
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,120
Maybe he one of his agents 
overheard Littlefinger telling. 

1356
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,960
Maybe it was just too much of A 
risk. 

1357
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,600
And so he had Gendry sent to the
Nights Watch. 

1358
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,880
He had to probably. 
Well, he had to have come to 

1359
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,840
Tabo, the guy who was his 
caretaker for maybe as long as a

1360
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,160
decade and be like, hey man, 
good job apprentice and Gendry, 

1361
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,920
but his life is in danger and 
you probably know why. 

1362
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,359
We don't have to say because 
Tabo would have figured 

1363
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:25,840
something out all over these 
years. 

1364
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,560
He doesn't necessarily know he's
Robert's son, but he could have 

1365
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,720
figured it out pretty easily. 
Like what noble born kid needs 

1366
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,040
to be hidden that much? 
It's really only the kings that 

1367
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:38,319
that this comes up with. 
Like you don't have to hide 

1368
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,680
Tywin Lannister's bastard. 
You don't have to hide Ned 

1369
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,040
Starks. 
Well, you didn't have any, but 

1370
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,319
you don't. 
You don't have to hide any If 

1371
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:45,560
you did. 
Ned Stark pretended to have a 

1372
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,960
bastard. 
That's why it worked. 

1373
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,800
Because it's not a big deal. 
It's it is a big deal when 

1374
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,720
you're a king, when you're a 
King's son. 

1375
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,400
Queen's son, maybe, but not 
it's, it's a dramatically less 

1376
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,560
even amongst the high Lords, 
especially when they already 

1377
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,680
have large families. 
So Cabo presumed was like, yeah,

1378
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,920
OK, I believe you. 
You were the man who brought me 

1379
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,040
this guy. 
I I get back of my mind. 

1380
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,160
I've always figured this kid was
a King's son. 

1381
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,760
If he didn't explicitly know, he
understands that Robert has just

1382
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,000
died. 
It's obvious in that you don't 

1383
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,800
need much explanation in that 
sense why this kid would be in 

1384
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,280
danger. 
It was also a bit of a fake out 

1385
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,320
within the fandom. 
Now a lot of y'all came along 

1386
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:26,920
after a lot of the books were 
out. 

1387
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,640
I my first one was A Storm of 
Swords. 

1388
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,720
Now, before A Storm of Swords, I
learned that there was a lot of 

1389
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:39,960
theories that Gendry and Donald 
Noy would become buddies because

1390
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,760
Gendry's a Smith, he's going to 
the wall. 

1391
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,080
Donald Noy's the Smith at Castle
Black. 

1392
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,800
Donald Noy made Robert's 
warhammer. 

1393
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,920
Oh, he's going to recognize him,
right? 

1394
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,400
That really was a strong theory,
but obviously it did not come to

1395
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,680
play. 
Not only did Gendry not go to 

1396
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,480
the wall, but Donald Noy is now 
dead. 

1397
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,000
And let's not forget, Donald 
made Robert's warham. 

1398
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:00,840
He wasn't just a Smith that 
storms in. 

1399
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,920
He actually made Robert's 
warhammer. 

1400
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,600
So with those skills and all 
that other overlap, it could 

1401
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,840
have been a really interesting 
conversation, but it, I know 

1402
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,640
never, never happened. 
The bull. 

1403
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,040
Let's talk about his time on the
road after leaving King's 

1404
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,400
Landing. 
You know, he spends a lot of 

1405
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:21,040
time with mostly with Arya, but 
also Yoran Hot Pie and then 

1406
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,080
Rorge and Biter and Jake and 
Agar. 

1407
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:26,920
One of these others that's in 
the group of of nice watch 

1408
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,440
recruits is a guy named Prade. 
He dies on the way and Yoran 

1409
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:33,560
allocates Prade's sword to 
Gendry. 

1410
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,040
He's like, well, you're big you,
you're most of who we're 

1411
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,840
recruiting here don't look very 
warlike, very warrior like, so 

1412
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,240
we'll give you the sword. 
And there's that awkward yet 

1413
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,320
revealing moment that comes 
shortly after this where the 

1414
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,120
gold cloaks arrive and they're 
coming for Gendry and Aria 

1415
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,720
thinks they're coming for her. 
And Aria is really confused why 

1416
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,200
they'd be coming for Gendry. 
Yoran, however, knows they're 

1417
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,840
coming for Gendry because he was
probably told he was at the last

1418
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,440
minute. 
He's like, hey, here's this kid.

1419
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,880
Yoran is old enough to know what
Robert looks like and to catch 

1420
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,800
this and to understand that 
something is going on here. 

1421
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,240
A last minute hooded man saying,
hey, take this boy with you. 

1422
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,320
Well OK, that's curious. 
I think he figured it out. 

1423
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,400
Cersei knew who he was, wanted 
him dead, and it was her writ, 

1424
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,960
her signed letter saying bring 
this kid back. 

1425
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,640
Joran knew what they were about.
Joran's like, Nah, I'm not 

1426
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,880
giving this kid up to die, he's 
in the nice watch now. 

1427
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:29,840
And of course we know what 
happened with that. 

1428
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,040
The nights the Gold Cloaks ran 
off came back with Sir Amory 

1429
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:39,600
Lorch and there was the battle 
and the holdfast, Joran and and 

1430
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,720
the Nights Watch crew. 
Nights Watch crews try to defend

1431
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,320
themselves. 
They have to run away. 

1432
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,440
Gendry does kill a guy along 
with Arya and and company, and 

1433
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,440
then they escape. 
They are captured by Gregor's 

1434
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,840
men not long after and that's 
when he's spared because he's a 

1435
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,000
Smith. 
He's given over to the Smithy at

1436
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,720
Harrenhal where he remains and 
actually advances more in his 

1437
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,200
training. 
He was about to forge his first 

1438
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,040
sword in King's Landing when he 
when everything came crashing 

1439
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,560
down and he got sent away. 
But he does work on swords at 

1440
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,800
Harrenhal. 
His skill set advances, he 

1441
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,200
learns from the master there, 
and that is where he stays until

1442
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,680
Arya talks him into leaving. 
She convinces him that he's 

1443
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,040
going to be maimed. 
That may not have been true, but

1444
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,440
in general, she was probably 
right that leaving was a good 

1445
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:28,560
idea, that it wouldn't be go 
well for him if he stayed. 

1446
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,920
He wears armor when he shows 
back up, maybe something that he

1447
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,560
made or worked on. 
And he brings his hammer. 

1448
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,000
He's got a little, you know, 
forge hammer with him, plus some

1449
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,480
swords that he distributes to 
them. 

1450
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,960
Of course, they're on the road 
for a little while, and then 

1451
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,480
they're captured by the Brother 
without banners, captured but 

1452
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:49,640
treated well, Hot pie joints. 
Like immediately he's like, 

1453
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:53,320
yeah, let's go. 
He joins the cell, the brother 

1454
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,240
without banner cell calling him 
like a terrorist cell. 

1455
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:57,080
Yeah. 
At the end of the kneeling man. 

1456
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,360
Right, Which is one of their 
fronts and makes good bread 

1457
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,920
there. 
Hey, nothing like you gotta have

1458
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,920
a resistance movement. 
Has to be well fed, right? 

1459
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,680
They got better bread now. 
Meanwhile, Gendry and Arya move 

1460
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,400
on to the Hollow Hill, where 
they meet Barack Dondarian and 

1461
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:18,880
watch Sandor fight him, meaning 
they witness real, true magic. 

1462
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,200
We see the scene through Arya's 
point of view. 

1463
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:25,640
It's moving and powerful and 
haunting and our reactions come 

1464
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,160
through her. 
But Gendry sees everything she 

1465
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:34,680
does, and he is quite struck. 
This is a man that lost his role

1466
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,680
and is, you know, a young man 
looking for a place in society, 

1467
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,600
a place in the world. 
Doesn't have a family, so to 

1468
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,280
speak. 
But this is a brotherhood. 

1469
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:47,080
This is a family in a sense. 
And he sees how they operate. 

1470
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,200
He sees that they're trying to 
help people. 

1471
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,520
He sees that they're for the 
people, not for the Lords. 

1472
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,200
He's all about that that he's 
like sign me up. 

1473
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,920
He appreciates the way they 
attack outlaws, He appreciates 

1474
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,040
the way they take on the 
brotherhood, the the Bloody 

1475
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,480
Mummers. 
He likes the way Lord Barrack is

1476
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,760
honorable and the way he leads 
in general. 

1477
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:13,520
He wants to be a part of that. 
Let's take a quick break or a 

1478
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,040
little roughly halfway ish point
and then we'll come back with 

1479
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,480
more about Gendry and then we'll
move on to Edrick Storm and the 

1480
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:23,400
group of them. 
A Shaya, we have something cool 

1481
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,640
to discuss here. 
We have a we have been in this 

1482
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,040
business for a while and editing
has always been a big part of 

1483
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:35,320
what we have to do as as a 
podcast, both video and podcast 

1484
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,720
editing. 
And we've used over the years, 

1485
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,280
we've used a variety of tools 
for that Lately, the technology 

1486
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,600
has improved to a point where it
is amazing. 

1487
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,200
So I'm gonna let a Shaya take 
over and give you a little 

1488
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:52,320
demonstration of what we've been
doing with some of our older 

1489
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,560
episodes. 
I'll give you a demonstration of

1490
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,880
how the old ones sound versus 
how they sound after using this 

1491
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,160
software, Alphonic. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1492
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,600
This is when we remaster an old 
episode. 

1493
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,920
We thought it would be great for
you guys to hear the difference,

1494
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,600
so I clipped out a little brief 
thing. 

1495
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,160
This is from Black Fire 
Rebellion Part 1, Aegon the 

1496
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:16,080
Unworthy, which is gosh, over a 
decade ago now. 

1497
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,080
And we'll have, we'll drop the 
link to that as well. 

1498
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,600
But here, take a listen 
everybody. 

1499
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,720
Former rider of Tessarian the 
Blue Queen. 

1500
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:25,880
That's a great name. 
I love that name. 

1501
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,160
Obviously that's the name of a 
dragon if you haven't read the 

1502
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,600
pitches in the queen. 
Former rider of Tessarian the 

1503
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:32,960
Blue Queen. 
That's a great name. 

1504
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,760
I love that name. 
Obviously that's the name of a 

1505
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,360
dragon if you haven't read the 
pitches in the Queen. 

1506
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,040
That's it. 
I just did a quick snippet but 

1507
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:44,080
you can probably hear a huge 
difference and it's amazing. 

1508
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:48,680
We love Alphonic. 
You can use it to do multi track

1509
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,360
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So when I do episodes with Aziz,

1510
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,680
me and Sean, I put each of our 
audio track in there and it you 

1511
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,920
can edit them separately. 
You can do automatic cutting 

1512
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,080
with it where it can cut out 
your owns. 

1513
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:06,880
It cuts out mouth sounds that 
all those you know, lip sounds 

1514
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,480
and all of that. 
Just just mouth noises that we 

1515
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:13,240
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So if you would like to try it 

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out, they do give you I think 
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1517
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But also the link is in the 
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1518
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,360
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1519
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1520
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So we were happy to get approved

1522
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,640
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because we we use it for every 

1523
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,280
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1525
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1526
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,960
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Yeah, it's really amazing. 

1527
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,960
Y'all heard just from the 
demonstration, I'm sure. 

1528
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,280
But it's I mean that's imagine 
what it can do on new episode 

1529
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,120
that is a 11 year old episode 
that's remastered. 

1530
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,320
It's it wasn't originally 
recorded using some of this 

1531
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,880
text, so it's it's even better 
that way, but it makes old 

1532
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:10,800
poorly recorded stuff sound like
it's made in a advanced studio. 

1533
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,600
So whether you're doing 
something like this 

1534
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:17,840
professionally or just on the 
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1535
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far as we know, it's the best 
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1536
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these days. 
Cannibal the Dragon says if 

1537
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,320
Robert's parents are dead, why 
is Robert still in the Veil? 

1538
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:26,880
Why was he still in the Veil 
after they die? 

1539
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,400
He was there when the rebellion 
started, yeah. 

1540
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,720
I put an answer here for him. 
Can I read? 

1541
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,200
It Go for it. 
Yeah, we got an answer straight 

1542
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,600
from. 
George Yeah, this is per the So 

1543
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,240
spake Martin, he said, and this 
is the first starting. 

1544
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:39,720
He's talking about Ned Stark, he
says. 

1545
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,920
And once he reached the age of 
16, he was a man grown, free to 

1546
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,840
come and go as he liked, which 
would have included both time at

1547
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,560
home and in the Veil, since John
Aaron had become a second 

1548
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,000
father. 
The same was true of Robert, who

1549
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:59,720
divided his time between Storm's
End and the Veil after reaching 

1550
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,560
manhood, not to mention dropping
in on tourneys and whatever 

1551
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,120
choice fights he could find. 
I thought I wanted to include 

1552
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,640
this just because it gives some 
good context to what Robert's 

1553
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,480
doing and why he's maybe 
flitting about just to get to 

1554
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:13,160
have so speak Martin on the 
subject. 

1555
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,440
Yeah. 
I mean, ultimately the simpler 

1556
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:18,840
version of that answer is 
because he was Lord of Storms 

1557
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,040
and it could do what he wanted. 
Like, yeah, I mean, and Robert 

1558
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,120
did what he wanted before he was
Lord of Storms. 

1559
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,400
And so, yeah, I mean, this is 
just he was even more empowered 

1560
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,200
to do whatever he wanted 
whenever he wanted. 

1561
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,640
Good question though, because 
that is, I've seen that asked 

1562
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,680
elsewhere before and it is a 
little bit of a curiosity. 

1563
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,960
Why didn't he just like slip 
full time at Storms and after he

1564
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,960
became Lord? 
Yeah, but the answer is simple. 

1565
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,160
It's boring. 
I mean think about if. 

1566
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,640
You wanted to think. 
About Duncan Egg, Lionel 

1567
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,080
Baratheon. 
He didn't sound so thrilled 

1568
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,120
about just going back to boring 
old Storm. 

1569
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:47,640
It's like hunting and Hawking, 
yeah. 

1570
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,080
That's. 
The most fun we'll have, I mean.

1571
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,280
So Sir Gendry as a member of the
Brother Without Banners, he's 

1572
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,080
knighted along with the rest by 
Relor and Lord Barrack, as it 

1573
01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:59,800
happens. 
Right? 

1574
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:01,560
So he's Sir Gendry of the Hollow
Hill. 

1575
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,800
It's certainly unorthodox, but 
any night can make a night. 

1576
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,080
So that's that. 
Case closed. 

1577
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,000
And he does eventually start to 
prefer the Lord of Light to the 

1578
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,680
Seven, in part because the 
example of the men who 

1579
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,240
introduced him to the Lord of 
the Light, it's not Melisandre. 

1580
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:21,080
Maybe why that's why Edrick is 
like, I don't know about 

1581
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,280
switching more on him later, of 
course. 

1582
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:28,480
But Gendry, his authority 
figures, his influences, the 

1583
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,440
people influencing him, the 
people he's looking up to, 

1584
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,000
Thoros Barrack, maybe some of 
the other brotherhood, they're 

1585
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,960
all worshipping the Lord of 
Light now. 

1586
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,840
They're all relorists. 
And he saw the Lord of Light's 

1587
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:44,600
power first hand, which is part 
of what brings Baratheons along,

1588
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:45,600
right? 
That's what brought Stannis 

1589
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:46,840
along. 
He's like, actually, she's got 

1590
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,080
real power. 
I can't deny that. 

1591
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,960
I just saw her do stuff 
magically. 

1592
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,040
That's I haven't seen the seven 
do any magic. 

1593
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,320
Gendry maybe a little bit of 
that same attitude. 

1594
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:57,920
I'm a, I'm a show don't tell 
guy. 

1595
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,880
I mean, you tell me there's 
magic, OK? 

1596
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,160
I'm not going to do anything 
about that unless you prove it. 

1597
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:08,720
He got proof. 
He saw Barrick cut from neck to 

1598
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,520
collarbone, through the 
collarbone. 

1599
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,920
And then 20 minutes later, he's 
walking around again. 

1600
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,720
He's just no, he lit his, he lit
the sword on fire with his 

1601
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,400
blood. 
But it's not just the magic, 

1602
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,480
right? 
Again, it's the it's the 

1603
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:23,280
character. 
Even more so Barrick's style of 

1604
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,920
leading brave, noble, putting 
himself at risk. 

1605
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,320
This is what Gendry appreciates 
and approves and is his. 

1606
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:37,080
That's where he lands. 
Gendry has true night vibes. 

1607
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,320
I'm not sure y'all recall where 
he finishes the story where 

1608
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:46,360
we're at right now. 
I mean he's defending the week 

1609
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,360
like a true knight and he is a 
knight. 

1610
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:52,960
He's Smiths at the end of the 
crossroads and he's part of Co 

1611
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,880
managing that front with Willow 
Heddle and helping to protect 

1612
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,480
the orphans. 
He stations himself with the 

1613
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,960
orphans. 
I mean, he is kind of 1/2. 

1614
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,760
So he gets it. 
He's like their champion in a 

1615
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,640
sense. 
Like that's great, right, Sir 

1616
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,760
Gendry, good for him. 
By the way, Brienne notices 

1617
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,240
Gendry, of course. 
We'll talk about this in a 

1618
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,000
second about he and have talked 
about how he looks like Renly to

1619
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,920
her and Brienne wonders about 
widdle heddle Willow heddle if 

1620
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:27,560
she's Arya. 
No, but you know, because Gendry

1621
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,800
having run with Arya for a 
while, it's not the worst guess 

1622
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,480
ever. 
But yeah, but no. 

1623
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,840
Now this is something 
interesting I find about George.

1624
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,360
He doesn't have kids of his own,
but he understands things like 

1625
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,600
this as well as any author I've 
ever read. 

1626
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:47,200
He he how easily kids and be 
influenced by their elders, how 

1627
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,560
they look up to them, how they 
do what they do they want to 

1628
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,200
follow their footsteps just. 
Well, two things, 1 he was a 

1629
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,200
kid. 
Two, we met his nephew and his 

1630
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,800
other his family. 
So he certainly has children 

1631
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,720
that he spent has spent time 
with. 

1632
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,680
Good point, you know, and and 
all that. 

1633
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:03,880
Yeah, he has sisters that had 
kids. 

1634
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,360
That's a good point. 
Yeah, very good point. 

1635
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,560
So it's not just pure insight, 
it's some living experience. 

1636
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,200
So Thabo Mott was the closest 
thing Gendry had to a father for

1637
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:14,760
a long time. 
But then it's then suddenly he's

1638
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:16,560
like, Nope, you're you got to 
leave King's Landing. 

1639
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,280
And Gendry probably didn't have 
the full story explained to him.

1640
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,760
You know, he couldn't tell him. 
It's because you're the King's 

1641
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,680
bastard and you're Cersei went 
to kill you. 

1642
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,680
They they didn't tell him that. 
So what story did they tell him?

1643
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,720
We all know, but it wasn't 
something that would make him 

1644
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:30,960
happy. 
He'd probably feel like, well, 

1645
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,280
this sucks. 
My like I was, I had my place, I

1646
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:35,960
had my father figure and I was 
suddenly got to leave. 

1647
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,320
So he lands with the BWB. 
It's a new purpose. 

1648
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,880
It's a new family. 
It's again brotherhood, you 

1649
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,520
know, like that's, that's as 
close to a family as an orphan 

1650
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:45,720
can get. 
It's a purpose. 

1651
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,240
It's something to belong to 
that. 

1652
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,560
Don't underrate that. 
It's a big deal. 

1653
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,000
Other people depend on him. 
They he depends on them. 

1654
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,920
It's a it's a circle. 
He's protecting and being 

1655
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,120
protected. 
He's learning and teaching. 

1656
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,760
He's doing right by them and 
having right done by him. 

1657
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:02,360
Even though he's in a precarious
situation. 

1658
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,840
He's technically an outlaw by a 
lot of people's judgement. 

1659
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,080
He's he's not a full grown 
adult. 

1660
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,400
He's already a better man than 
his father by a mile. 

1661
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,040
By miles. 
Though his father's physical 

1662
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,840
gifts have definitely helped. 
He inheriting those was a big 

1663
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,480
boon to him, but not much else. 
Right. 

1664
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:20,680
In fact, the else almost got him
killed. 

1665
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,920
Being being his father's son 
almost got him killed and as and

1666
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,080
though I'm saying his position 
is very precarious, it's also 

1667
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,920
very interesting. 
Consider this Stoneheart. 

1668
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,280
That's his boss. 
Now he doesn't run with her 

1669
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,640
'cause he's at the end of the 
Kneeling Man day today while 

1670
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,400
she's going place to place and 
running things from behind the 

1671
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,440
scenes and from their various 
hidey holes and caves. 

1672
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:47,160
But she would have interviewed 
him, for lack of better word. 

1673
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,240
Maybe that is the best word 
because everyone knows Gendry 

1674
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,640
and Arya traveled together and 
we know Stoneheart's looking for

1675
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,640
Arya, so she would want every 
piece of information out of him.

1676
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,040
She would also clock that he 
liked her and that he protected 

1677
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,720
her. 
And that might put him in even 

1678
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,520
better standing with Stoneheart 
as far as she's able to have 

1679
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,280
feelings like that and and 
judgements like that. 

1680
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,000
It's a little unclear what she's
capable of, but probably pretty 

1681
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,960
capable given Barrack was 
capable of a lot of these things

1682
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,040
too. 
Her problem just is lack of 

1683
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:19,200
being able to talk. 
So that that keeps some of the 

1684
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,600
mystery alive there. 
But I have to think that he's 

1685
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,320
one of her most trusted because 
of that. 

1686
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,880
Like, just her, just his 
credibility alongside Arya and, 

1687
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,480
and helping her and running with
her, just being alive with her, 

1688
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:33,480
you know, keeping her safe to a 
certain extent. 

1689
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,600
Yeah. 
So if Stone Hard and Arya have a

1690
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,480
reunion, Gendry could be right 
there, too. 

1691
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:43,240
And Arya might be more pleased 
to see him than her undead 

1692
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,160
mother. 
And maybe that leads to future 

1693
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:48,120
connections between Arya and 
Gendry. 

1694
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,360
I'm not sure a relationship is 
in the offing. 

1695
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,800
Could be. 
But certainly firing their 

1696
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,000
friendship back up again, their 
connection seems not unlikely. 

1697
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,680
But she is not one of the ones 
who knows who he is. 

1698
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,760
That would that could change 
their dynamic a little bit, 

1699
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,520
finding out who he was. 
That could be a moment of humor 

1700
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:06,880
for them. 
They'd be like, you know what, 

1701
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,160
all along you were Ned Stark's 
son and that was hidden. 

1702
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,160
She eventually finds out. 
He eventually finds out about 

1703
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,800
that. 
And then he starts to act out a 

1704
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,680
little bit, right? 
He's like, oh, all you high 

1705
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,120
borns is because Edrick Dane is 
there too, and he's like, oh, 

1706
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:21,760
you Lords and ladies. 
He's like starts to feel like he

1707
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,960
doesn't belong. 
And Arya never, like, holds it 

1708
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,680
over him. 
He's more just kind of feeling 

1709
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,480
something that isn't being done.
Neither does edge or gain. 

1710
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,680
Neither of them taunt him or any
of that stuff. 

1711
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,120
Not about his birth anyway. 
Aria will argue with him and 

1712
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,520
taunt him about other stuff, 
call him stupid or whatever, but

1713
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,960
it isn't. 
It isn't status based, right? 

1714
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,120
Aria isn't really like that. 
Aria doesn't see herself as 

1715
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,160
superior because she's a Stark. 
A little bit maybe, but not not 

1716
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,280
not in a typical way at all. 
So. 

1717
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,040
I kind of think Arya thinks 
she's superior just because she 

1718
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,320
she's superior. 
Like on her own merits. 

1719
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:57,960
She thinks she's. 
A better not because she's a 

1720
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,760
Stark, just because. 
She's better than that. 

1721
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,200
Yeah, I don't know. 
That's my take. 

1722
01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:03,280
I think that's, that's probably 
closer to it. 

1723
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:04,360
I think that's a good way to put
it. 

1724
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,400
So there's they have some things
in common. 

1725
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,040
They're both very stubborn, but 
it would be funny for them to 

1726
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,040
both learn later that, hey, you 
were Lord Stark's daughter and 

1727
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,640
hiding that and pretending to be
a boy. 

1728
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,880
Meanwhile, all this time I was 
King Robert's son and your 

1729
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,160
father and my father were best 
friends, you know, like, because

1730
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,840
that the TV show did bring that 
out with John and Gendry and I, 

1731
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,880
I don't know if that'll ever 
happen in the in the books, but 

1732
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,120
definitely the people, Ned, you 
know, Ned's children being 

1733
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,960
friends with Robert's children, 
that that's kind of fun. 

1734
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,640
Varus obviously knows. 
Cersei knows now, because Varus 

1735
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,160
probably, or because 
Littlefinger probably told her. 

1736
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,760
And if Littlefinger told her, 
then obviously he knows too. 

1737
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,600
Yeah. 
So I'm not sure many other 

1738
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,080
people do because Brienne saw 
the resemblance, but he did. 

1739
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,120
She didn't go any farther than 
that. 

1740
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,840
She's like, whoa, she he looks 
like Renly, but he can't be 

1741
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:52,200
Renly. 
Yeah. 

1742
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:53,920
And then she just puts sets it 
aside. 

1743
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,400
She doesn't go any farther and 
go you know what? 

1744
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,520
Maybe that's a Baratheon 
bastard. 

1745
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,080
Doesn't really. 
That thought doesn't cross your 

1746
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,440
mind, Tab OMAD. 
Of course, as we said, he 

1747
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:05,280
probably knows and he's probably
still alive. 

1748
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,360
I'm not sure that that will that
he's someone that will be 

1749
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,480
brought back into it as a some 
as a verification, because if it

1750
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:15,560
ever comes up, the verification 
is not really needed. 

1751
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,320
Kendry looks so much like Robert
and as he gets older, he 

1752
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:19,480
probably look even more like 
Robert. 

1753
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:23,720
Of course, bringing it back, 
Kendry had that almost sex scene

1754
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,960
with his own sister, who's also 
Robert's daughter. 

1755
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,120
So there's all sorts of again, 
the more in jokes with their 

1756
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:32,360
identities and for for us and 
Arya's best friend amongst her 

1757
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,040
own family is John. 
She just has a thing for royal 

1758
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:39,040
bastard that no one knows of 
royal bastards or few people 

1759
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,880
know that they don't know and 
she doesn't know. 

1760
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,760
So that's just I don't know 
something about Arya. 

1761
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,040
She's drawn to that without 
knowing it and and that them 

1762
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,240
neither. 
The other gigantic irony of 

1763
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,840
Gendry's identity and him being 
a part of the brother. 

1764
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,800
How about Banners is they're 
kingsmen. 

1765
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,640
They're just like we continue 
our job. 

1766
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,600
We're doing what the king sent 
us out to do. 

1767
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:04,280
This guy is son of that king. 
They would totally follow him, 

1768
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:08,760
promote him, you know, exhort 
him, just be like this is the 

1769
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,560
son of the guy we were 
following, the man whose 

1770
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,000
existence we owe our existence 
to. 

1771
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,680
Even though it was really more 
Ned, but still Ned gave the 

1772
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,520
order in Robert's name and all 
that. 

1773
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,400
They have Robert's son in their 
midst and have no idea. 

1774
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,880
It's it's pretty funny. 
Even with Thoros looking into 

1775
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:30,000
the flames and all that he never
saw it is is still a mystery to 

1776
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,680
him. 
It didn't didn't clock this. 

1777
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,240
And this gets at why he's Gendry
and not Gendry Waters. 

1778
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,040
I promised I'd explain that at 
the beginning. 

1779
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,760
Here we go. 
It's not just that Robert had 

1780
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,000
never acknowledged him. 
That is a big deal. 

1781
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:46,280
But Maya is Maya Stone without 
that open acknowledgement. 

1782
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,600
That's more of the open secret 
acknowledgement that she's Maya 

1783
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,280
Stone. 
So the acknowledgement is only a

1784
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,680
question if the mother is noble.
At least that seems to be what 

1785
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,160
George implies. 
So in Maya's case, it's some 

1786
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,600
sort of halfway measure. 
Not typical, but an open enough 

1787
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,760
secret that she gets the name. 
If Robert had let it known who 

1788
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,560
Gendry was, then he would be 
Gendry Waters even without the 

1789
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,000
acknowledgement. 
If it was known, like in Mia 

1790
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,680
Stone's case, he would get that 
name. 

1791
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,280
It's a legal thing and not just 
an it's both. 

1792
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,640
It's a legal thing and an 
announcement. 

1793
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,960
It can go both ways, but the 
point is there was no 

1794
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,560
announcement and there was no 
acknowledgement, and there's no 

1795
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:29,560
open secret. 
So it's also possible Robert 

1796
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,880
didn't know Gendry existed 
because when when he finds out 

1797
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,640
he's like she named the kid 
Berra. 

1798
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,400
What would that was that 
supposed to please me? 

1799
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,640
And then this is a very 
infuriating for Robert to say 

1800
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,600
because and Ned gets mad at him 
for saying it. 

1801
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:46,360
He's like, dude, you this was a 
virgin sex worker. 

1802
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,560
What do you think? 
She's some wise, you know, font 

1803
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,040
of wisdom here? 
Like, what do you think? 

1804
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,240
Of course she's naive and is 
going to do unpredictable things

1805
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:59,440
and maybe fall in love with you 
and try to honor her as the king

1806
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:02,720
with the naming the kid Berra, 
you know, like that was not 

1807
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,640
smart of her to do. 
It was unwise. 

1808
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:09,280
But Robert thinks she should 
have known better. 

1809
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,880
Like what? 
Come on, Robert, you should have

1810
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,440
known better. 
You're the man with the power 

1811
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:19,280
and the agency. 
She's the naive girl that's like

1812
01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:24,360
her first day at work here. 
Anyway, So yeah, understandably 

1813
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:26,160
why Ned got mad at Robert for 
that. 

1814
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,080
He's like, he is shirking 
responsibility. 

1815
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:31,520
And there's that, which is just 
another level of denial and 

1816
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:35,000
shirking responsibility. 
It's really just damn Robert. 

1817
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:41,720
So anyway, in theory, he could 
become Gendry Sir Gendry Waters 

1818
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,360
if his identity becomes known. 
But it seems, while it seems not

1819
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,480
unlikely, it's also kind of 
like, well, how will it be 

1820
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:50,120
proven? 
How will this knowledge 

1821
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:51,600
circulate? 
How will it get out? 

1822
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,240
It's kind of a similar question 
with John's identity, right? 

1823
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,200
Like how if John is outed as 
Rhaegar's son will, well, how 

1824
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,760
does that spread? 
How does that knowledge spread? 

1825
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,520
And how do and why would people 
believe it? 

1826
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:04,120
With Gendry's may be a little 
easier because he looks like 

1827
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:05,800
Robert. 
John Snarr does not look like 

1828
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:10,960
Rhaegar, not even a little. 
So that's a little bit of a 

1829
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,840
bigger hill to climb perhaps. 
But yeah. 

1830
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:19,920
Now earlier I said Brienne 
didn't clock his bastardy, but 

1831
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:21,640
she might have been on the track
of it. 

1832
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,160
She might have it in the back of
her mind and may come up later 

1833
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,880
because she started to ask. 
She started to ask about his 

1834
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,000
ancestry. 
But George did the old 

1835
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,800
interruption trick the con, The 
conversation that might be 

1836
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,880
revealing and illuminating to 
both characters and readers is 

1837
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,800
cut short because of the gosh 
darn Bloody Mummers. 

1838
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:43,400
Well, a splinter group of former
Bloody Mummers led by Rorge. 

1839
01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,960
Brienne goes out, No chance, no 
choice. 

1840
01:32:46,440 --> 01:32:50,240
Which, by the way, Gendry had to
respect that, being that he's 

1841
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,000
there doing the same thing, 
protecting these kids. 

1842
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,920
And of course, Gendry steps up, 
Roarge fights Brienne, Brienne 

1843
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,960
wins, takes a lot of damage. 
Then Biter shows up to get 

1844
01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:03,360
revenge and starts doing awful 
things to Brienne, literally 

1845
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,200
eating her face. 
And then Gendry stabs him in the

1846
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:07,680
back of the throat and kills 
him. 

1847
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:13,000
Good job, Gendry. 
So that's really it for him. 

1848
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:14,800
I mean, that's where we last see
him. 

1849
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:19,600
We've discussed his knowledge 
about Aria and how that is very 

1850
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,920
interesting point with him and 
Stoneheart. 

1851
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:25,200
As far as future outlook, well, 
we'll come back to it when we 

1852
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,160
discuss all of their outlooks as
a whole. 

1853
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,160
But unless his identity gets 
revealed, his outlook has 

1854
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,120
nothing to do with his 
parentage. 

1855
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,560
But maybe that comes out, what 
if he and Aria get reunited? 

1856
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,760
We just talked about that a 
second ago. 

1857
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:42,000
I think that is very possible, 
if not unlikely, not because the

1858
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:45,200
show did it, but just because it
could fit for a number of other 

1859
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,680
reasons. 
The show isn't a negative in 

1860
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,840
that regard as far as predicting
that possibility, but the show 

1861
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,160
does not help us very much with 
these characters in general. 

1862
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,120
As you know, Edrick wasn't even 
in it. 

1863
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,560
Maya wasn't even in it. 
I mean, some of Edrick was 

1864
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,080
rolled into Gendry. 
So even him is different. 

1865
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,400
He's Gendryk. 
But the my big question I have a

1866
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:10,040
big curiosity has if Arya and 
Gendry are reunited, is it after

1867
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,680
his identity is known? 
So when they become in each 

1868
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,200
other's presence again? 
Is it after Gendry is revealed 

1869
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,520
as as Robertson? 
Is it after he's Gendry waters? 

1870
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,480
He's like, oh, hey, all along 
you were King's son. 

1871
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:22,960
How about that? 
And then then they can have 

1872
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,920
those funny conversations that 
we to discuss the possibility of

1873
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,520
a minute ago. 
Now, before we go on to Edrick's

1874
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:34,560
Storm, let's talk a little bit 
about the other 13 of Robert's 

1875
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,480
bastards. 
There's not a whole lot to say 

1876
01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:39,640
because mostly they're unknowns.
Now, we don't know who the 

1877
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,080
second child was. 
Gendry and Bella were fathered 

1878
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:44,720
within four years of Maya's 
birth. 

1879
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:46,600
Yeah. 
So Bella, a little more about 

1880
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,800
her. 
She was fathered by Robert while

1881
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,160
he was hiding in Stoney stepped 
at the outset of the rebellion. 

1882
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:55,600
She'd be about 17 now, so, you 
know, a year or so older than 

1883
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,600
Gendry, younger than Maya. 
Of course. 

1884
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:02,320
I love this little joke 
Connington because he's a a 

1885
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:09,280
rigid Stannis like man who is 
just doesn't have a sex life at 

1886
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,160
all. 
Not for the same reasons as 

1887
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:12,920
Stannis. 
It's in his case it's he's like 

1888
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,600
a, I don't know, in the closet 
gay man. 

1889
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,440
I don't exactly know. 
But he doesn't think about it 

1890
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:22,440
very much and so he's not on 
Robert's train of thought. 

1891
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:27,280
When he was trying to find 
Robert in Stoney Scept, he 

1892
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:30,960
should have started and focused 
his searches on the brothels 

1893
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,560
instead of just a generic 
search. 

1894
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:34,600
It's like if you knew Robert at 
all. 

1895
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,000
Nope, wrong. 
The wrong man for the job. 

1896
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,800
John Cuddington So in during all
that, Yeah, Robert follows 

1897
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,920
fathers Bella. 
She has blue eyes and big black 

1898
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,360
hair. 
Not shy, perhaps even content 

1899
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,840
with her life. 
Hard to say as a sex worker, 

1900
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,000
Like a lot of people in service 
industry, you pretend to be 

1901
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,400
enjoying your job to get better 
tips or results. 

1902
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,680
You don't it. 
It might even be true, but you 

1903
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:04,240
can't necessarily tell just by 
the their outer, outer exterior.

1904
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:09,080
It's not unusual in Westerosi or
SoC society, Nina writes, for 

1905
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:12,240
the daughters of sex workers to 
become sex workers themselves. 

1906
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:15,800
Even if they have aristocratic 
fathers, even if they're born in

1907
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,480
a brothel from a tryst or a 
visitor or, you know, a noble 

1908
01:36:19,480 --> 01:36:21,680
born visitor. 
It's just normal enough. 

1909
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:24,080
It happens enough that this has 
become sort of normal. 

1910
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:27,040
It's hinted, of course, we've 
talked about it a few times that

1911
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,560
Murray and Dancy at your Thai 
brothel, or Tywin's, if not some

1912
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,440
other Lannister. 
The sailor's wife in Bravos has 

1913
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:36,920
a daughter named Lana, who is 
also a sex worker and maybe 

1914
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,120
Jerry and Lannister's 
descendant. 

1915
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:45,040
And Robert, in terms of Bella, 
like she's much lower borne. 

1916
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,520
She's not. 
This isn't quite the high end 

1917
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,080
brothel the same way it's not a 
Shataya's. 

1918
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:55,240
But Bella didn't have options 
socially or economically. 

1919
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,960
She's got this kid. 
She's kind of smitten by his, by

1920
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,400
her, by Robert. 
But it has these naive 

1921
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,360
expectations. 
Nina says Bella's a bit like 

1922
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:08,560
Glendon ball slash flowers his 
sister in the mystery night 

1923
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,840
which to refresh your memory. 
Glendon was encouraged by his 

1924
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,960
mother and the other sex workers
to believe that he was Quentin 

1925
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:20,200
Ball's son. 
But it's not that likely given 

1926
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,720
that her, his mother slept with 
a whole bunch of people and it 

1927
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:25,920
could be any of them that was 
the father. 

1928
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:32,160
Fireballs is one of many. 
And Bella, just like Glendon 

1929
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,200
Ball, has been told the story of
his potential origin and the 

1930
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:38,640
black fires and about his 
potential father, Bella has been

1931
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,680
told the story of the Battle of 
the Bells, the her own origin 

1932
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,080
story. 
She knows that she was fathered 

1933
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:51,840
during a war. 
So, yeah, quite interesting 

1934
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,560
there. 
Nice little parallels. 

1935
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,760
Now, Glendon takes pride in 
something that he maybe doesn't 

1936
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,600
actually have, but it's working 
for him anyway. 

1937
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:05,240
And that's the difference. 
Clinton doesn't really look like

1938
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:06,760
Quentin. 
Ball doesn't really look like 

1939
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,600
Fireball, whereas Bella just 
clearly does. 

1940
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,680
Just blatantly, obviously, black
hair, blue eyes, all that. 

1941
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,400
Now, Berra, of course, we 
mentioned briefly there, Berra 

1942
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:21,440
was killed on orders of Cersei, 
on orders of Janos Slint by Alar

1943
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:23,280
Dean. 
Bear's mother, again, was a 

1944
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,840
virgin. 
She's smitten, foolishly called 

1945
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:30,240
the kid after Robert, and 
because I've I've already 

1946
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,240
explained why Robert's reaction 
to this was really gross. 

1947
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,640
The lack of responsibility. 
Less than 0. 

1948
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,680
Really. 
He's fine with his own 

1949
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,480
ignorance, but is upset with the
ignorance of the teenage virgin 

1950
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:42,640
sex worker. 
Right. 

1951
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,440
And Virus mentions that he saved
Gendry. 

1952
01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:48,680
He doesn't say it by name. 
He doesn't say Gendry by name, 

1953
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:53,080
but he mentions saving Gendry 
but is legitimately or seemingly

1954
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,000
legitimately surprised. 
You never can be too sure with 

1955
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,880
Boris, but I, I believe him on 
this one. 

1956
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,960
He's surprised Cersei had Berra 
killed. 

1957
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,200
He just doesn't see what the 
angle was. 

1958
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,600
He doesn't see the point. 
On one hand, it's the reason why

1959
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,720
I think maybe virus is lying is 
because virus is such a good 

1960
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:10,760
judge of character. 
We really have misjudged Cersei 

1961
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,360
there. 
But on the other hand, what's 

1962
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,800
his angle here? 
Why does he, you know, like, 

1963
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:18,240
yeah, Cersei killed Berra. 
It's not my fault. 

1964
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,600
It's not his fault. 
I mean, he he does seem to be 

1965
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,440
taking some responsibility for 
it, though, because he's he's 

1966
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:25,560
kind of like, I maybe should 
have seen that coming. 

1967
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,440
He saw it coming for Gendry. 
Maybe he just. 

1968
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,680
Yeah, he didn't think the girl 
was a threat. 

1969
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:33,600
The boy was maybe, you know, the
boy that looks like Robert, this

1970
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,200
girl. 
Who knows, maybe there's time 

1971
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:37,520
still. 
But yeah, it's pretty bad. 

1972
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:39,720
It's kind of a. 
Nina points out how it's kind of

1973
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:44,600
an awful parallel replay of what
happened to Elia and Rhaegar's 

1974
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,120
children during Robert's 
Rebellion. 

1975
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:51,200
Robert tacitly approved their 
murders without saying he wanted

1976
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:54,520
it done. 
It was kind of wink, wink, we 

1977
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:59,040
need those kids to die and not 
for Robert to be responsible, 

1978
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,160
right? 
That's just kind of the, the, 

1979
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:06,320
the gross behind the scenes, 
wink nudge, nudge kind of non 

1980
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:10,000
conversation conversation. 
So, yeah. 

1981
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:12,240
And then? 
It's a replay of that. 

1982
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:16,800
Like, yeah, 15 years after his 
own rebellion, his own kid is 

1983
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,200
torn from his mother's breast 
and have them both killed. 

1984
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:23,120
As I mentioned before, Robert 
fathered twins on a serving 

1985
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,320
girl, a cast of the rocks. 
Or she had them killed and the 

1986
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,840
mothers sold into slavery, which
is illegal, but she did it 

1987
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:29,960
anyway. 
She got away with it because 

1988
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,640
she's a Lannister. 
There's nine others, right? 

1989
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,720
That's that's not the full 
count, right. 

1990
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,080
We, that's, there's, that's 
seven we just named and there's 

1991
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:39,520
nine more. 
We don't know any names or any 

1992
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:40,960
circumstances. 
We got nothing, nothing 

1993
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:46,160
whatsoever. 9 is enough that 
maybe we'll see more all nine. 

1994
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,000
Nah, no way we won't see all of 
them. 

1995
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,320
Just kind of like Aegon the 
Unworthy had some bachelors even

1996
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,800
we never knew about Robert 
having a lot in common with 

1997
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,760
Aegon the Unworthy is probably 
going to be in that same batch. 

1998
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:00,880
The only reason we have this 
precise count of 16 is because 

1999
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,480
of magic, because Maggie the 
Frog said so. 

2000
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:09,800
So yeah, Nope, I don't think 
Maggie the Frog was going to 

2001
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,640
give that same prophecy about 
the specifics of these children.

2002
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:22,360
Edric Storm, our third and final
of the Scions of Robert that we 

2003
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,200
discuss. 
He's the last we see of the 

2004
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:26,520
three. 
He's actually mentioned a lot, 

2005
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:27,640
though. 
He comes up in A Game of 

2006
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:31,320
Thrones, he comes up in A Clash 
of Kings, but we actually don't 

2007
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:32,520
see him till the Storm of 
Swords. 

2008
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:35,760
Now he's the one of the three 
who for an absolute certainty 

2009
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:39,120
knows who his father was and 
everybody else knows too. 

2010
01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:41,120
It is not a secret, not an open 
secret. 

2011
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:43,640
It is just open. 
So for him, we're not going to 

2012
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:45,840
have a who knows discussion 
section here. 

2013
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:49,440
It's it's everyone. 
But there is perhaps additional 

2014
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:52,880
room for speculation on how he 
could fit into the story as a 

2015
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,520
claimant. 
He has a leg up there because 

2016
01:41:55,520 --> 01:42:02,040
it's known and because he's 
noble on both sides, which is A2

2017
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,320
head A2 edged sword. 
I suppose. 

2018
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,760
Mostly it's better for Edrick, 
but the bastard prejudice can be

2019
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:11,520
worse when you're noble because 
you are a threat. 

2020
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,800
Gendry is not a threat, right? 
Because nobody knows about his 

2021
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,440
claim, and even if he had the 
claim, he's less of a threat 

2022
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:19,880
than a nobly born, nobly raised 
kid. 

2023
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:24,080
It's kind of along that same 
spectrum as Maya is the least 

2024
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:29,320
dangerous politically because of
her mule girlness, both the girl

2025
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,400
and the mule part. 
Whereas Gendry's in the middle 

2026
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,320
because he's got the same kind 
of common born stuff, the 

2027
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:39,800
blacksmith stuff. 
The Who He was raised by Edrick 

2028
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:42,520
now he was raised by other 
nobles, he's been around them 

2029
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:44,640
all his life. 
He's got the nobles education. 

2030
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,200
Even though he's going to get 
that slightly reduced status. 

2031
01:42:47,480 --> 01:42:50,480
He saw the same upbringing in 
terms of education and 

2032
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:54,440
opportunity, not so much in 
terms of status amongst the 

2033
01:42:54,440 --> 01:42:56,920
nobility. 
But yeah, anyway, the bachelor 

2034
01:42:56,920 --> 01:43:01,560
prejudice is also manifest in 
awkward ways, like Solis 

2035
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:07,640
believes Edrick's existence 
cursed her womb. 

2036
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,240
I mean, this is a woman that is 
prone to all sorts of flights of

2037
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,760
fancy, so I guess we can't put 
this one past her or be too 

2038
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,480
surprised. 
But it's another just 

2039
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:19,600
frustrating example of how the 
child is blamed for the actions 

2040
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,240
of the adult. 
The woman takes the next most 

2041
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:28,040
blame when the man is by far the
one who should have 99% of the 

2042
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:31,360
blame I suppose, but gets only 
1% of it. 

2043
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,640
Yeah, super backwards y'all. 
Well, is she not blaming Robert 

2044
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:36,840
for it? 
No, she's blaming Edrick. 

2045
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,560
Oh yeah. 
I mean, she blames Robert too. 

2046
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:39,840
You're right. 
She blames Robert, but she 

2047
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:41,760
blames Edrick more. 
But I mean, I have to say, like,

2048
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:45,920
not to to go too bad for Solis, 
but assuming you live in a world

2049
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:47,600
where you superstitions are 
real. 

2050
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:51,200
Yeah, you believe in them. 
This happens on your wedding 

2051
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:54,120
night in your wedding bed, and 
then you have this bad luck. 

2052
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:55,400
It's not crazy. 
It's. 

2053
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:58,320
Not it's not so crazy. 
It would be less crazy if she 

2054
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,360
was less crazy. 
Like if she had only that one 

2055
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:03,320
crazy belief, it would be a lot 
easier to be like, yeah, yeah, 

2056
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:04,760
because you're right. 
Like curses and stuff. 

2057
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:05,960
People believe in that sort of 
thing. 

2058
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:09,640
Yeah, I guess my point is she's 
not like far from the norm here,

2059
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:11,720
I think. 
Lots of noble women I could 

2060
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:13,240
think. 
In general she is, but not on 

2061
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:14,240
this, Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2062
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:15,760
Yeah, I think that's true. 
Yeah. 

2063
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,800
You know, she's not normal, but 
she's not as far from the norm. 

2064
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:23,440
All right. 
Edrick's first appearance. 

2065
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:25,360
It's great. 
Edrick is. 

2066
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:28,400
He's funny. 
He's he's a lot more 

2067
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,760
entertaining in a lot of ways. 
I really like this kid. 

2068
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,480
And so does Davos, as we'll see 
here in this first quote when we

2069
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:37,120
meet him. 
He had turned to cough into his 

2070
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:41,480
gloved hand when another small 
shape crashed out of the hedge 

2071
01:44:41,480 --> 01:44:44,720
and bowled right into him, 
knocking him off his feet. 

2072
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:49,400
The boy went down as well, but 
he was up again almost at once. 

2073
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,800
What are you doing here? 
He demanded as he brushed 

2074
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,920
himself off. 
Jet black hair fell to his 

2075
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,040
collar and his eyes were a 
startling blue. 

2076
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:01,680
You shouldn't get in my way when
I'm running. 

2077
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:03,960
No. 
Davos agreed. 

2078
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:07,040
I shouldn't. 
It's pretty funny. 

2079
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:10,040
You shouldn't get in my way when
I'm running like, yeah, that's 

2080
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:10,840
true. 
I mean. 

2081
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,640
Little noble right there. 
That's a noble I have the right 

2082
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,960
of way at all times, even when 
you can't see me coming out. 

2083
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:18,000
Of a hedge. 
He wasn't just like. 

2084
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,680
Yeah, you couldn't compare. 
This is it from nowhere. 

2085
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:25,280
It was damn funny. 
That's that's the it's a really 

2086
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,800
great introduction because he's 
he immediately shows his 

2087
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,320
privilege, but he also 
immediately shows his concern. 

2088
01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:33,200
Dabo starts coughing and 
Edrick's like, hey, are you OK? 

2089
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:35,560
Should I get the maester? 
Like, that's a good, like that's

2090
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:36,800
good. 
You know, he's a little, he's a 

2091
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:40,360
little haughty, but that's good 
nature immediately. 

2092
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,760
Not necessarily Robert like in 
that sense. 

2093
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,960
Robert's good in a lot of ways, 
but not this kind of good And 

2094
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,680
obviously Robert's bad in a lot 
of other words, as I've been 

2095
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:51,640
very clear about this episode. 
Edrick says he's like, who are 

2096
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:52,920
you? 
And he's like, I'm Sir Davos 

2097
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,880
Seaworth, which prompts a very 
egg like line. 

2098
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,000
He's like, are you certain? 
You don't look very nightly? 

2099
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:02,160
Are you certain? 
He asks, Are you sure you're a 

2100
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:04,360
knight and you did you mistake 
that somehow? 

2101
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,760
But then he he's like, I'm Sir 
Davos, the knight of the onions.

2102
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,680
He's saying he's like, oh, I've 
heard of you. 

2103
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:14,680
He he knows that story and he 
introduces himself here. 

2104
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,000
Quote. 
The boy drew himself up tall. 

2105
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:22,960
I am Edrick Storm, he announced.
King Robert's son. 

2106
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,680
Of course you are. 
Davos had known that almost at 

2107
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,680
once. 
The lad had the prominent ears 

2108
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:35,160
of a Florent, but the hair, the 
eyes, the jaw, the cheekbones, 

2109
01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:38,840
those were all Baratheon. 
Poor Robert. 

2110
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:40,600
Really. 
I mean, the guy just wants to 

2111
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,520
father a bunch of bastards and 
be left in peace, but his 

2112
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:48,160
genetics are so strong that he 
just can't escape the proof. 

2113
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,440
Paul, Right. 
Yeah, I know you all feel really

2114
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:52,320
bad for Robert. 
I'm. 

2115
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,440
I'm building this case here 
throughout the episode that 

2116
01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:57,200
Robert's the real victim here. 
Ha, Yeah. 

2117
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:01,120
Please don't think that I was 
anything other than sarcastic 

2118
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:01,720
there. 
Yeah. 

2119
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:06,160
Anyway, so Hedrick, of course, 
is immediately given how much he

2120
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:08,520
worships and idolizes his 
father, and nearly he wants to 

2121
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,160
know. 
Davos did. 

2122
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,960
You know my father, But Robert 
didn't really. 

2123
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,640
He knew him from afar, you know.
Heard him talk, but didn't know 

2124
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:16,760
him personally. 
I'm sorry. 

2125
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:18,040
Davos didn't know Robert 
personally. 

2126
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:20,080
Yeah, but Edrick actually did, 
somewhat. 

2127
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,760
So Edrick actually knew Robert 
more than Davos did. 

2128
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:25,400
Edrick actually got to train 
with Robert a little bit. 

2129
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:30,800
And Varis would send presents to
Storm's End every year marked as

2130
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:33,880
if they were from Robert. 
And then Edrick would write back

2131
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:37,080
with profuse thanks for those 
gifts. 

2132
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:40,240
And Robert would laugh and ask 
Vars, hey, what did I actually 

2133
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:41,760
get him? 
You know, what did I send him 

2134
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:45,560
this year? 
So again, Vars, again, Vars is 

2135
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:49,600
the Vars is involved, not so 
involved with Mia, but he's just

2136
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:56,840
deeply involved with both Gendry
and Edrick in in in Edrick's 

2137
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:58,520
ways. 
You can see the angle, the 

2138
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,880
political angle, maybe the 
stashing of an air with Gendry. 

2139
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:02,440
I don't know though. 
I just don't see that. 

2140
01:48:02,440 --> 01:48:06,280
It's very peculiar. 
Anyway, of course, of all these 

2141
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:09,920
three, it's the Edrick is the 
only one with a noble mother, 

2142
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:13,400
she's a Florent, Delena Florent.
And this is a big part of why 

2143
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:18,400
everyone knows Delena, Robert 
Carey, Delena up to Stannis and 

2144
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,920
to Salice's marriage bed. 
He later would claim that he was

2145
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:22,520
too drunk to know which bed it 
was. 

2146
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:25,520
I kind of believe him. 
Doesn't absolve him, but he did 

2147
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:30,960
get that drunk all the time. 
So Edrick is really proud, 

2148
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,520
really entertaining and didn't 
spend enough time around his own

2149
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,760
father to realize how many flaws
Robert had. 

2150
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:41,200
He only sees the good because he
knows him from afar and he's 

2151
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:44,760
extremely worships his idolizes 
Robert. 

2152
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:48,640
Rathian may be the only person 
on in all of Westeros who feels 

2153
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:53,360
that way about Robert. 
Ned Stark, Ned Stark. 

2154
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:56,640
Nabos is dead. 
Ned would have been, Yeah. 

2155
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,800
So yeah, he's really proud. 
He's really entertaining. 

2156
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:01,840
Dabos loves him. 
Everybody loves him. 

2157
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:05,200
He's just he. 
Stannis points this out that and

2158
01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:08,520
Stannis is very keen on this. 
Stannis is very notices this all

2159
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,960
the time because he's a jealous 
of it. 

2160
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,880
Both his brothers have this 
charisma that he doesn't have. 

2161
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:15,960
People love both Robert and 
really they would just follow 

2162
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:19,280
them just effortlessly. 
Effortless charisma from both 

2163
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:22,800
Robert and Renly. 
Edrick has it too, hence. 

2164
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:27,440
And it's one of them things that
Stannis is annoyed by because 

2165
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:32,240
it's like this guy reminds me of
what this kid reminds me of. 

2166
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:35,720
Not only how awful my brother 
can be, he shamed my wife's 

2167
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:37,480
marriage bed. 
It's a. 

2168
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:40,480
My wife hates this kid forever. 
It's embarrassment. 

2169
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:44,280
I don't like it either. 
I don't blame the kid but I 

2170
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:46,800
don't like the situation. 
Oh he doesn't dislike the kid 

2171
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:47,800
but he doesn't like the 
situation. 

2172
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:53,320
I mean to say, but he is very 
keen on seeing how everyone is 

2173
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,440
charmed by by Edrick. 
He's like, man, he has my 

2174
01:49:56,440 --> 01:50:00,400
brother's gift, that charisma, 
that Friendly and Robert both 

2175
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:01,640
had. 
This kid has it, too. 

2176
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:03,760
Everyone loves him. 
He charms everyone. 

2177
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,840
He says that he's like, did he 
charm you, Davos? 

2178
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,160
He has that gift. 
He charmed Courtney Penrose. 

2179
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:09,120
That's why he wouldn't give him 
up. 

2180
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:13,040
That's why he died for him. 
Yeah, this kid, it just wins 

2181
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:16,480
everyone over. 
Which brings me to a really 

2182
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:18,800
interesting point. 
Well, a little more set up 

2183
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:21,280
first. 
He he shows a little more of his

2184
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:26,080
boldness and his just character 
by just disagreeing with Stannis

2185
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,600
in front of Davos. 
He's like, he shouldn't have cut

2186
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:30,120
your fingers off. 
He said, well, you know, it was 

2187
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:31,960
justice. 
You know, he's like, yeah, but 

2188
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,160
he brought you fish and onions. 
He saved your life. 

2189
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,640
He's like, yeah, but I also was 
a smuggler and he's like, my 

2190
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:39,080
father wouldn't have cut your 
fingers off. 

2191
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,200
And dad was like, yeah, got me 
there. 

2192
01:50:43,480 --> 01:50:46,080
You're right, he wouldn't have. 
I agree with you, you know, and.

2193
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,960
Yeah, like Robert had his own 
flaws. 

2194
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:51,840
It was. 
It wouldn't have been that. 

2195
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:53,400
Yeah, it wasn't that. 
You're right. 

2196
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:58,640
Flaws are probably definitely 
worse I guess, but I agree with 

2197
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:01,880
Edrick that Davos didn't need to
have his fingers cut off. 

2198
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:04,680
Yeah, I kind of with, I'm kind 
of with Edrick on that one too. 

2199
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:06,880
Edrick and Robert, Yeah. 
From the mouth of babes. 

2200
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:14,040
So that wedding was in the year 
287, meaning Stannis and Solis's

2201
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:16,960
wedding. 
So Cedric is about 11 when the 

2202
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,480
series starts, but about 12:00 
when we meet him in about 13 

2203
01:51:19,480 --> 01:51:24,640
now. 
Now Delina of course spoiled. 

2204
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:29,840
She's no longer fit to marry 
someone of her own status after 

2205
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,800
that, unless it's someone like 
Tyrion. 

2206
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:35,640
But Tyrion status is so low that
no. 

2207
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:39,360
Tywin suggested Delina marry 
Tyrion, but no, he was refused. 

2208
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,040
Delina would instead marry Sir 
Hosman Norcross a household 

2209
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:46,160
night. 
That's when Tywin is throwing 

2210
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:49,440
Tyrion's I'll marriage prospects
in his face. 

2211
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,080
He points this out. 
He's like, they wouldn't take 

2212
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:56,480
you over this household night. 
Now Delina, we don't know 

2213
01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:00,040
anything about her, but there is
a very clever little subtle 

2214
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:03,280
catch by Nina here. 
This is Alistair Florence 

2215
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:06,320
household by the way, not niece 
of Lord of Brightwater Keith, 

2216
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,600
not the Yeah, so would have 
married someone much higher 

2217
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:15,160
born. 
Now she named her second son not

2218
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:18,640
counting not counting Edrick, 
meaning her second trueborn son 

2219
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:23,240
Renly. 
At this point, Edrick was living

2220
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:29,320
with Renly because when Edrick 
was first born, Stannis and 

2221
01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:33,720
Solis didn't want to live with 
him and sent him to Storm's End 

2222
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:37,680
to live with Renly. 
And in his theory, and I'm 100% 

2223
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:41,520
on board with it, is that she 
named her other son Renly as a 

2224
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:46,520
way to Curry favor with Renly 
and to maybe get some access to 

2225
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:47,960
Edrick. 
She wants to know her son. 

2226
01:52:47,960 --> 01:52:52,680
Like what is a more viable 
theory than a mother finding 

2227
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:55,720
with very little agency, a 
mother trying to find some way 

2228
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:59,320
to see her own son? 
Like that's you don't really 

2229
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:01,280
need to understand the 
motivation behind that one. 

2230
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,840
That's very clear. 
So yeah, Edrick lived with Renly

2231
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,360
from a young age, but Renly was 
very young. 

2232
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,160
When Edrick was born, Renly was 
10. 

2233
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:15,760
So Uncle Renly was really just 
more of older brother, you know,

2234
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,400
rather than a father figure, you
know, he was an uncle, but he 

2235
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,760
would wouldn't have really come 
off that way as a 10 year old. 

2236
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,000
Renly wouldn't have actually 
been running storms and it would

2237
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:27,080
have been, you know, the 
Regency, the council, other 

2238
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:30,240
people, the adults would have 
been handling that for him. 

2239
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:33,520
Now, this would have been the 
time when Loris and Renly were 

2240
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,160
forming their relationship. 
Edrick probably too young to 

2241
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:40,080
clock that or even understand 
it, but maybe it definitely was 

2242
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:43,120
concurrent. 
But by the time Edrick was old 

2243
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:46,120
enough to maybe even clock that 
Renly was gone for long periods 

2244
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:47,880
of time, he would have been at 
court a lot. 

2245
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:50,400
Renly did spend a lot of time 
with the Red Keep, increasingly 

2246
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:55,400
more as he got older. 
So Edrick would have been, in a 

2247
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:58,560
way, the Baratheon at Storm's 
End. 

2248
01:53:58,560 --> 01:53:59,680
No one would have called him 
that. 

2249
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:03,480
That's improper. 
But he had the personality, the 

2250
01:54:03,480 --> 01:54:06,440
charm, and again, everybody 
loved him. 

2251
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:11,240
So he would have been like, as 
Nina puts it, the the darling of

2252
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:14,640
Storm's End, the closest thing 
to a Baratheon and a Baratheon 

2253
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:16,640
by blood. 
And again, a Florent too, so 

2254
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:19,760
doubly noble, which to them, you
know, that gives him a bit more 

2255
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:23,160
status in the eyes of people who
were lower ranked than him. 

2256
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:26,720
Obviously people of similar rank
to him would look down on that. 

2257
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:29,320
But you know, the lower ranking 
Lord Ling's like, Oh yeah, he's 

2258
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:32,320
the King's son. 
Robert, as we said earlier, 

2259
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:34,320
would visit once a year, train 
with him. 

2260
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:35,960
And this meant everything to 
Edrick. 

2261
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:39,520
It was the probably his favorite
few days of the year. 

2262
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:43,680
The last time he visited before 
his death, Edrick was brought a 

2263
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:47,320
small version of Robert's 
Warhammer, a miniature version 

2264
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:49,160
of it. 
For some reason Edrick wasn't 

2265
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:52,440
allowed to bring it with him to 
Storm's End or to Dragonstone. 

2266
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,520
Maybe because they thought it 
would insult Standish or 

2267
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:55,680
something. 
I don't know, that seems odd. 

2268
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:58,840
But maybe he's a little terror 
with it. 

2269
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,280
And they're like, no, they're 
just, you're not bringing that. 

2270
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:04,200
You're not breaking stuff here. 
That's why I like that idea. 

2271
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,040
He's just ramming things with it
all the time. 

2272
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:08,520
He's a stag, he's got to smash 
things right. 

2273
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:12,360
He's got to butt heads and 
hammers and yeah, so yeah. 

2274
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,840
So at some point in the two 90s,
it would have been pretty much 

2275
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,200
no Remley around at all when 
Edrick would have been around 

2276
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:21,560
8-9 or 10 and Sir Courtney 
Penrose would have been was the 

2277
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:23,480
castell. 
And that's the one who, you 

2278
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:26,960
know, Melisandre murdered via 
shadow baby when Courtney 

2279
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:31,520
refused to give Edrick up. 
Remember, that's what Stannis 

2280
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,560
says. 
He's like, why would they think 

2281
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:36,520
I was going to kill this kid? 
Why would anyone think I'm 

2282
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:40,160
trying to harm the boy? 
I chose Robert over the 

2283
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:45,160
Targaryens. 
I want Edrick to prove Roberts 

2284
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:48,240
bastards aren't his to prove the
Lannister kids aren't Roberts. 

2285
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:51,280
I'm not going to hurt the kid. 
Why does anyone think that? 

2286
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:53,560
Well, they think that because of
Melisandre. 

2287
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:56,800
And they're right. 
Stannis is right that he doesn't

2288
01:55:56,800 --> 01:56:01,400
intend Edrick any harm, but they
don't know that they it looks 

2289
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:06,240
like Stannis wants Edrick to get
rid of a another possible 

2290
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:09,440
claimant, A stumbling block to 
his own path to the throne. 

2291
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:14,200
That's the basic look here. 
Stannis wants the throne, Renly 

2292
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:17,080
wants the throne. 
Stannis wants to get Renly out 

2293
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:18,640
of the way. 
He would obviously want to get 

2294
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:21,720
Edrick out of the way too, or at
least that seems likely. 

2295
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:24,840
According to Stannis, that's not
the case, but he's, he can't 

2296
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:26,560
convince anyone of that. 
And then of course it comes 

2297
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,200
around that Melisandre does 
actually convince him to burn 

2298
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:32,160
Edrick. 
So they were right all along, 

2299
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:33,640
Stannis, you just didn't know it
yet. 

2300
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:38,880
And yeah, Stannis was a little 
bitter about some of this. 

2301
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:40,480
Because he doesn't. 
Have that effortless. 

2302
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:43,320
Charisma that Robert Renly and 
Gendry have, and some other 

2303
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:46,160
people clock that too. 
Like Stannis doesn't like this 

2304
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:47,600
kid. 
He's jealous of him. 

2305
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:51,440
Not only the claim, but the the 
charm that he doesn't have. 

2306
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:54,520
You know, I don't know. 
There's a lot of wariness around

2307
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:58,360
what Stannis's true intent was, 
and that gets confused by how it

2308
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:01,240
actually played out. 
And this is a key point. 

2309
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:03,840
Stannis won't acknowledge this 
even though he gets close to it.

2310
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,560
Maybe. 
Well, he couldn't quite bring 

2311
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,640
himself to say this. 
Davos can't quite bear to think 

2312
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,080
about sons in general because he
lost his own. 

2313
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:14,920
And that's who our POV is for 
most of Edrick. 

2314
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:20,680
Edrick is basically the perfect 
son for a noble Lesterosi. 

2315
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:23,960
He's everything you want as a 
kid. 

2316
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:31,120
Bold, proud, honest, precocious,
stubborn, big, good looking, 

2317
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:33,000
even. 
You know, it just has all the 

2318
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:37,040
qualities that you want. 
It's like it's like if Randall 

2319
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:40,960
Tarley passed over Sam because 
Dicken was the kind of kid he 

2320
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:42,800
wanted. 
This is that kind of thing. 

2321
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:48,800
This is Dick on Tarley and and 
Edrick Storm are are of a peas 

2322
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:52,840
in a pod in that sense. 
They're the the ready to go, 

2323
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:55,480
ready to fight. 
Nothing gets in their way. 

2324
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:59,200
Like that's the kind of bravery 
from day one you want to see in 

2325
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:02,200
your son, especially your heir. 
Obviously Edrick isn't an heir, 

2326
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,040
but if he was he would be the 
ideal. 

2327
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:07,920
A lot of men would look in 
Westeros and be like that is the

2328
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,920
perfect kid and that is what I 
want my son to be like. 

2329
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,040
They all want a kid like Edrick 
and very few of them will get 

2330
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:16,440
it. 
And that's maybe that's a little

2331
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,000
bit of a statement by George 
here. 

2332
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:24,680
Just reminding us how silly all 
this birth status stuff is and 

2333
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:31,120
how merit it should matter more,
and how Edrick has merit too. 

2334
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:34,640
Like he does have the merit in 
addition to the birth, but 

2335
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:39,280
because it's bastard birth, so 
much is withheld from him, so 

2336
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:41,600
much as prejudice has heaped on 
him. 

2337
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:44,600
Yet he seems to handle it very 
well. 

2338
01:58:44,600 --> 01:58:48,200
It doesn't seem to make him 
bitter in ways that maybe Mia 

2339
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:48,920
and Gendry are. 
Now. 

2340
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:51,520
Of course, he also has much 
better life. 

2341
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:54,760
He's gets nice food and a nice 
education and lives in a good 

2342
01:58:54,760 --> 01:58:57,000
place. 
So not all the bitterness is 

2343
01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:01,160
just he handles it better. 
Some of it's just privilege and 

2344
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:04,680
status. 
Stannis once said, was there 

2345
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:08,400
ever a name so apartment it 
proclaims his bastardy, his high

2346
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:10,840
birth and the turmoil he brings 
with him. 

2347
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,600
He's not just referring to 
Edrick, but the full name Edrick

2348
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:15,920
Storm. 
The turmoil he brings with him, 

2349
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:19,280
his bastardy, his high birth. 
Pretty succinct actually, 

2350
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:20,720
Stannis. 
And it gets at Stannis's 

2351
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:24,440
frustrations here, right. 
He's like, it's frustrating that

2352
01:59:24,440 --> 01:59:27,240
this kid is so much like Robert.
It's frustrating that Robert 

2353
01:59:27,240 --> 01:59:33,080
once again is pushing his by 
blows on someone else, someone, 

2354
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:35,200
someone else's responsibility to
take care of this kid. 

2355
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:36,680
There's just a lot of 
frustration wrapped up. 

2356
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:39,480
Plus not to mention the wedding 
night stuff like so I think 

2357
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:41,680
Stannis actually handles it 
fairly well up and to the point 

2358
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:43,960
where he's willing to burn him. 
Then it's like, OK, Stannis, 

2359
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:46,320
you've utterly failed here. 
This is the worst thing. 

2360
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:50,040
And Stannis grossly turns it 
into a math question. 

2361
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:52,880
He's like, yeah, he's just one 
kid against all the other kids, 

2362
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:54,960
right? 
It's just, it's just one versus 

2363
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:58,120
many. 
And Davos is like Edrick Storm 

2364
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:01,360
versus it's a, it's not a boy, 
It's Edrick Storm. 

2365
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:03,800
Say his name. 
Say his name, you know, and 

2366
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:06,680
that's what prompts Danis to get
mad about the name. 

2367
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:08,760
I've said his name. 
Is there a name that's so 

2368
02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:11,040
apartment, blah, blah, blah. 
So that's part of that argument.

2369
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:14,840
Davos wins the argument. 
He does great job, Davos. 

2370
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,800
Stannis kind of all along kind 
of wanted to land on that. 

2371
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:23,440
But Stannis's, his pragmatism 
and his pride are so powerful, 

2372
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,760
so overbearing within his own 
person that he he can be LED 

2373
02:00:26,760 --> 02:00:29,080
astray. 
Melisandre approves that she's 

2374
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:30,720
led him astray on several 
occasions. 

2375
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:35,040
Speaking of Melisandre, Speaking
of Davos, Speaking of how merit 

2376
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:39,160
is such a recurring theme and 
Stannis's, you know, part of the

2377
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:42,320
country, part of his Stannis's 
court, his people that follow 

2378
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:44,280
Stannis. 
That's a vibe he passes on 

2379
02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:47,000
something that he upholds. 
It's a big part of who Davos is.

2380
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:52,160
But as we said before, Gendry 
seeing a positive role model 

2381
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:54,640
under relore was willing to 
switch. 

2382
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:58,880
He's like, yeah, I see Barrick, 
I see Thoros. 

2383
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:01,160
These are positive relore role 
models. 

2384
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:03,000
I will follow in their 
footsteps. 

2385
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:09,120
Adric sees Melisandre doesn't 
have a great role model in the 

2386
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:10,800
sense Stannis converts to 
relore. 

2387
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:13,200
But Edrick isn't so sure about 
Stannis, right? 

2388
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:17,200
He doesn't know him that well 
and he's like, no, he this is 

2389
02:01:17,200 --> 02:01:19,520
another thing that people really
like about him that he's got 

2390
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:21,800
this this toughness unusual for 
a child. 

2391
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:23,440
He is not going to switch to 
relore. 

2392
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:26,440
He's like, no, I'm a warriors 
man like my father. 

2393
02:01:26,640 --> 02:01:29,000
I worship the seven period and a
story. 

2394
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:33,000
No change not going to happen. 
So the lack of influence by 

2395
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:35,840
other people, the fact that he 
just idolizes Robert and no, 

2396
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:39,360
there wasn't like a lot of other
influences to step in and maybe 

2397
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:43,440
take some of that influence away
from Robert and give a, a real 

2398
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:45,520
father figure in place didn't 
really happen. 

2399
02:01:46,160 --> 02:01:50,640
So I really like that contrast 
between Gendry and Edrick in 

2400
02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:52,160
that sense. 
It's it just really goes to show

2401
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:54,960
you it's The Who, it's who the 
role models are. 

2402
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:59,440
In that sense, a good relorist 
like Thoris and and Barrett 

2403
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:01,280
could bring you along. 
But someone like Melisandre, 

2404
02:02:01,280 --> 02:02:04,080
that's a little sketchy. 
And she, he doesn't know exactly

2405
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,520
what Melisandre is all about, 
but she did Leech him. 

2406
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:09,280
It's not clear whether he knows 
what was done with those 

2407
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,000
leeches. 
I suppose not. 

2408
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,640
But you know, he might have 
picked a little up on it and it 

2409
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:17,960
wouldn't come off well. 
He's not going to be pro things 

2410
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:20,520
that stink of sorcery as a 
follower of the Seven. 

2411
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:24,080
That's not going to be his vibe.
And of course, Edrick is beyond 

2412
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:29,280
a person, beyond a character. 
He is the linchpin of the big 

2413
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:32,880
moral conundrum that Stannis, 
Davos and Melisandre, and to a 

2414
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:35,560
lesser extent, you know, Axel 
Florent, get involved with. 

2415
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:39,840
And it resolves with Stannis 
agreeing with Davos and sailing 

2416
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:42,400
to Dragonstone or sailing to the
Wall. 

2417
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:48,800
Even after Stannis is betrayed 
by Davos in sending Edrick away,

2418
02:02:49,200 --> 02:02:53,640
he takes he does what Stannis 
should have done all along and 

2419
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:57,120
just hopes that Stannis agrees. 
He's like, I'm willing to go 

2420
02:02:57,120 --> 02:02:59,080
down for this kid. 
I'm willing to die for this kid 

2421
02:02:59,080 --> 02:03:00,360
because it's the right thing to 
do. 

2422
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:04,720
Which is a good example for 
Edrick to have set for himself. 

2423
02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:07,400
Maybe he doesn't see Davos as a 
father figure, but that may have

2424
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:12,200
been, that's maybe something 
that he looks at later as a big 

2425
02:03:12,200 --> 02:03:14,760
turning point in his life, 
something that he should respect

2426
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:17,920
and be thankful to Davos for if 
he has the opportunity to be 

2427
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,840
thankful to Davos for it. 
But here's a part that I think 

2428
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:25,000
everyone, nearly everyone missed
after Stannis takes Storm's End,

2429
02:03:25,480 --> 02:03:29,480
which of course he does via 
Shadow Baby, which maybe Edrick 

2430
02:03:29,480 --> 02:03:31,200
heard about that too. 
It's kind of hard to keep that 

2431
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:33,560
under wraps like what happened 
there, right? 

2432
02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:37,000
That that rumor would be flying 
all over the place, especially 

2433
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:39,520
given the rumor would have 
started with Renly's death, 

2434
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:43,200
which was all, which was quite 
mysterious and strange and 

2435
02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:46,200
Brienne saw the shadow, 
etcetera. 

2436
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:51,080
So Stannis's plan was to send 
Edrick to Dragonstone and bring 

2437
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:52,480
Melisandre to King's Landing to 
fight. 

2438
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:54,520
The Battle of Blackwater. 
With Melisandre at his side 

2439
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:58,480
helping him win but his Lords 
were like don't bring 

2440
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:01,680
Melisandre, everyone's going to 
say it was her victory and not 

2441
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:04,360
yours. 
He relents, sends Melisandre to 

2442
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:06,320
storms end too. 
What does that mean? 

2443
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:09,800
The ship that goes back to 
storms end contains both Edrick 

2444
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:13,000
and Melisandre same time. 
This is very likely when 

2445
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:16,080
Melisandre starts coming up with
her leeches plan right? 

2446
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:19,720
She manipulates Stannis into 
thinking that those deaths 

2447
02:04:19,880 --> 02:04:23,640
Joffrey, Rob and Bailon are 
because of the leaching. 

2448
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:28,000
When it's vastly vastly more 
likely that she saw those 3 

2449
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:31,960
deaths in the flames and then 
just acted like she was causing 

2450
02:04:31,960 --> 02:04:34,760
them through this ritual and 
then made Stannis and which 

2451
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:37,480
convinced Stannis of her power. 
Which she doesn't actually have 

2452
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:41,040
the the prophecy, the foresight.
She does have that, but killing 

2453
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:45,040
kings with bloody leeches? 
I don't think so y'all. 

2454
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:49,640
That's ridiculous and pretty 
clearly Melisandre does that 

2455
02:04:49,640 --> 02:04:51,600
sort of thing. 
She exaggerates her powers, 

2456
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:55,720
misleads people to as part of 
her bigger plan, birthing shadow

2457
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:57,200
babies. 
That's ridiculous. 

2458
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:59,400
She definitely didn't do that 
either. 

2459
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:01,520
I'm saying I. 
I I Yeah, I just might not 

2460
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:02,480
believe that. 
You're right. 

2461
02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:06,240
Yeah, but she has done more than
prophecy. 

2462
02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:08,240
That's what I want to say. 
You're right. 

2463
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:11,400
You're absolutely right. 
My point is, I guess, that 

2464
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:14,160
Edrick wouldn't be Privy to all 
this, but he might hear rumors 

2465
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:17,280
and that would. 
Still give him a dark sense of 

2466
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:18,480
it all. 
And of course, Melisandre is 

2467
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:21,520
just just something wrong with 
her, like her red eyes and her 

2468
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:24,000
giving off heat, like she's just
something not quite right about 

2469
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,200
her. 
So I think he would be, yeah, a 

2470
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:27,760
little off, a little suspicious 
about that. 

2471
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:29,920
So I think that's when she came 
up with the plan when she's got 

2472
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:31,880
Edrick there and she's like, how
am I going to? 

2473
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:36,040
Stannis has pushed me aside. 
I got to bring him back in. 

2474
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:38,800
And then she convinces him later
that, hey, if you hadn't sent me

2475
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,040
home, you would have won the 
Battle of Blackwater and blah, 

2476
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:43,800
blah, blah. 
So that's Edrick is very much 

2477
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:47,720
her way to get back in Stannis's
inner circle after briefly being

2478
02:05:47,720 --> 02:05:51,560
pushed aside, but Davos 
intervened. 

2479
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:54,160
She got sent away. 
He got sent to waste. 

2480
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:58,240
Melissandre didn't see it 
coming, and Edrick didn't get to

2481
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:00,360
say goodbye to Shereen. 
That's pretty sad, but it's not 

2482
02:06:00,360 --> 02:06:04,480
the only thing sad here. 
They're they were good friends. 

2483
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:06,760
They had some things in common 
maybe that were missed. 

2484
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:10,400
They'd have the same ancestry. 
Father Baratheon, Florent, 

2485
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:12,480
mother. 
What are they, like double 

2486
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:13,480
cousins or something? 
Yeah. 

2487
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:14,640
What is that exactly? 
Yeah. 

2488
02:06:14,840 --> 02:06:19,040
How does that work? 
Yeah, I don't know. 

2489
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:20,160
I don't know what you. 
Call that. 

2490
02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:23,920
They're because it's. 
Not the same Baratheon father 

2491
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:25,680
nor the same Florent. 
Anyway. 

2492
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:28,920
So is Delina is. 
That's not Celisa's sister. 

2493
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:31,720
It is. 
Yeah, that's what it is then. 

2494
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:33,800
Yeah, exactly. 
That they're cousins in two 

2495
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:36,120
different ways, yeah. 
Double cousins. 

2496
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:40,920
It's weird so. 
My sad looking. 

2497
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:44,120
Ahead moment here is Edric Storm
was sent to lease right? 

2498
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:45,880
That's where he's at. 
That's so far as we know he's 

2499
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:47,640
still there. 
In fact, the appendix seems to 

2500
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:49,640
confirm that at at the end of A 
Dance with Dragons that he's 

2501
02:06:49,640 --> 02:06:52,840
still there is he's going to 
find out that Stannis burned 

2502
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:58,960
Shereen and why he's going to be
like, oh, that's he, he maybe 

2503
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:03,120
can't figure that out at his age
right now, but in a year or two,

2504
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:05,320
maybe having conversations with 
his protectors. 

2505
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:07,720
He's not by himself. 
He's got a a guardian and some 

2506
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:10,240
other men. 
They know a lot of what 

2507
02:07:10,240 --> 02:07:13,560
happened. 
He could come to know that. 

2508
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:18,360
Holy crap, Davos saved me from 
being burned alive. 

2509
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:22,200
He did it to his own daughter, 
that jerk uncle of mine. 

2510
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:26,240
What the hell, you know, and 
this is not a kid that's going 

2511
02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:28,280
to take no for an answer. 
He's going to ask like, you 

2512
02:07:28,280 --> 02:07:30,160
know, what's going on, what's 
going on back in Westeros, 

2513
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:32,080
what's happening? 
You know, why did they send me 

2514
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:33,160
here? 
He's going to want to know all 

2515
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:36,200
these things and he's got that 
pride that he deserves. 

2516
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:39,120
No, and he's going to just keep 
asking and he'll find out what 

2517
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:43,440
he can. 
So even when Edrick is leaving 

2518
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:45,520
to head to lease, that's where 
we're. 

2519
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:46,960
Going now, we're talking about 
lease. 

2520
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:53,120
He's still charming Davos and 
the Maester major pilots that 

2521
02:07:53,120 --> 02:07:54,720
is. 
They put him on a ship and they 

2522
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:56,440
hope Melisandre doesn't detect 
them. 

2523
02:07:56,440 --> 02:07:59,800
And they do this by just trying 
to involve her. 

2524
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:01,840
Like they don't account for her 
at all. 

2525
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:04,800
The less that she's included in 
their plan, the less she's 

2526
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:07,240
likely to take note of it. 
Seems to work. 

2527
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:10,480
One of one of the conspirators 
is like let's kill her and Dale 

2528
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:13,520
was like Nah better if we just 
pretend she doesn't exist and 

2529
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:16,040
hopefully that dodges her 
prophecy radar. 

2530
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:20,800
Also, Edrick says things like, I
don't mind math so much, but 

2531
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:22,160
history is my favorite, you 
know? 

2532
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:28,600
Like, can you be more likeable? 
See what him and Shereen had in 

2533
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:29,880
common? 
Yeah, right. 

2534
02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:31,400
Shereen like history. 
Too. 

2535
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:33,880
Yeah, they probably had lessons.
Together, right, they did. 

2536
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:35,840
Oh, absolutely in. 
Fact this is they were at their 

2537
02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:37,680
lessons together when they're 
like. 

2538
02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:39,200
Hey, we're we're taking you 
away. 

2539
02:08:39,200 --> 02:08:41,800
Now, you know, because he's so 
stubborn, he's he's not quite 

2540
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:43,400
sure what's going on. 
He kind of senses something is 

2541
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:45,440
off here. 
He's like, I want to see my 

2542
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:47,880
uncle before we go. 
And he's like, your uncle 

2543
02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:49,920
doesn't want to see you. 
That's that was just a lie to 

2544
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:52,520
get him moving. 
And it's kind of sad, but Davos 

2545
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:55,760
isn't too bothered by it, 
knowing the alternative is the 

2546
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:57,600
kid gets burned alive. 
So I think he can kind of 

2547
02:08:57,880 --> 02:09:00,760
properly weight these options 
here and be like, look, this is 

2548
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:04,520
nothing making this kid a little
sad or hurt is nothing compared 

2549
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:07,720
to burning alive. 
And and he has this moment of 

2550
02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:09,320
maturity at the end where he 
kind of accepts it. 

2551
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:10,920
He's kind of sad. 
He's like, well, I should 

2552
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:12,320
shouldn't I get to say goodbye 
to Shereen? 

2553
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:14,000
He's a he's a boy for a minute 
there. 

2554
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:16,200
It's it's a little bit 
heartbreaking, but then he's 

2555
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:20,960
back to his noble demeanor, 13 
year old noble demeanor, he 

2556
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:23,480
says. 
May the father judge you justly,

2557
02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:28,240
Lord Davos, for what you're 
doing right here is the unspoken

2558
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:29,800
part. 
And Davos is like I'm. 

2559
02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:32,840
Pretty sure the father. 
'S going to judge me just fine 

2560
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:37,160
actually, and I think Cedric 
will realize that in time, you 

2561
02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:38,640
know, assuming enough time 
happens. 

2562
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:43,760
Now let's remember who else was 
exiled to lease Aryan Bright 

2563
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:48,040
Flame a good, you know, 90 years
prior or so. 

2564
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:51,080
Almost exactly 90 years prior, 
but very different 

2565
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:53,080
circumstances. 
And of course Edrick is younger.

2566
02:09:53,080 --> 02:09:57,240
Edrick is a lot less likely to 
father bastards in at least like

2567
02:09:57,240 --> 02:10:01,080
Arian Bright Flame probably did.
And that's the equality of his 

2568
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:05,760
father we hope he doesn't have. 
The leader of the group keeping 

2569
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:08,840
Edrick safe is Andrew Estermont.
Sir Andrew Estermont. 

2570
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:14,240
Now, while Edrick maybe isn't 
the type to be so distracted by 

2571
02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:18,240
drinking women, especially at 
his age, Andrew Estermont and 

2572
02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:22,240
his men, maybe they get slack on
protecting him because of that 

2573
02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:25,280
reason. 
But that said, I'm not sure 

2574
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:27,920
there any danger being so far 
away. 13. 

2575
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:28,960
Yeah. 
He's 13. 

2576
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:30,720
Yeah. 
I mean, all it takes is being 

2577
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:32,160
around that stuff for a little 
while. 

2578
02:10:32,160 --> 02:10:33,400
It wouldn't take long. 
Yeah. 

2579
02:10:33,480 --> 02:10:35,160
He'll be into it real quick. 
Hopefully it'll. 

2580
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:37,320
Activate his inner robbery, 
Yeah. 

2581
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:40,040
And if if. 
Melisandre were better. 

2582
02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:44,800
Connected, she might learn of 
his being there and lease 

2583
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:47,880
through her other contacts in 
the temple because there's a big

2584
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:51,000
old temple of Valora at lease. 
But she seems like she's rogue 

2585
02:10:51,120 --> 02:10:52,120
right now. 
I don't think she's that 

2586
02:10:52,120 --> 02:10:53,440
connected to the temple 
hierarchy. 

2587
02:10:54,160 --> 02:10:56,360
So overtime Edrick might really 
realize what kind of danger he 

2588
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:59,840
was or is in, but he wouldn't 
like having run from it. 

2589
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:01,440
He's a warriors man like his 
father. 

2590
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:04,600
He would want to go face the 
danger and and win and defeat it

2591
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:06,720
and face that challenge, 
overcome that challenge rather 

2592
02:11:06,720 --> 02:11:10,800
than hide from it. 
I really suspect he is eager to 

2593
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:12,360
go back. 
He doesn't want to be where he 

2594
02:11:12,360 --> 02:11:13,400
is. 
He wants to be in Westeros. 

2595
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:15,000
He wants to be in his father's 
Kingdom. 

2596
02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:18,920
He wants to do stuff. 
And as he's getting older, these

2597
02:11:18,920 --> 02:11:21,840
thoughts will become less 
childish and more specific and 

2598
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:25,800
more, we'll take them more to 
heart more, more set on doing 

2599
02:11:25,800 --> 02:11:28,480
them. 
He doesn't have the means so 

2600
02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:31,560
easily to do so. 
He can't order his protectors 

2601
02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:34,360
around, although he might charm 
them into into becoming 

2602
02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:37,000
followers and then they'll do 
what he says, especially as he 

2603
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:38,960
gets a little older. 
But here's the thing, getting 

2604
02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:42,160
older. 
We've spoken and other people 

2605
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:47,360
have spoken a lot about Edrick 
Dane and the five year gap. 

2606
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:51,840
Edrick Dane may be the most 
clear apparent change to his 

2607
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:54,760
story because of the lack of a 
five year gap, but Edrick's 

2608
02:11:54,760 --> 02:12:00,000
storm seems like he was a huge 
candidate to be impacted by the 

2609
02:12:00,040 --> 02:12:01,840
five year gap in a very similar 
way. 

2610
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:05,640
It's like both the Edrick's lost
their important years that they 

2611
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:09,600
needed. 
I mean, he is like Robert in 

2612
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:12,840
personality, at least in a lot 
of the most meaningful ways in 

2613
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:15,480
terms of like martial prowess 
and bravery. 

2614
02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:19,760
Has the size five more years. 
He might have been tall. 

2615
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:22,480
He might have looked like Robert
or Renly at 18. 

2616
02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:27,680
Big, fearsome, intimidating, 
holding a giant hammer, you 

2617
02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:29,680
know, big old beard looking 
older than he is. 

2618
02:12:29,680 --> 02:12:33,120
Just people ready to follow him 
because he looks the part and is

2619
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:36,840
the part and, and can prove it. 
But we're just, I just, I guess 

2620
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:39,240
that's just not happening. 
Maybe that never was the plan, 

2621
02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:42,080
but I don't think I, I kind of 
hard to believe it wasn't or 

2622
02:12:42,080 --> 02:12:44,600
something like that. 
Like, this kid was presented to 

2623
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:47,840
us as a the spitting image of 
Robert Baratheon, and the 

2624
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:51,640
original plan was for enough 
time for him to become the age 

2625
02:12:51,640 --> 02:12:55,040
Robert was when the rebellion 
happened, or very close to it. 

2626
02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:57,920
So like that, this is really 
hard to see that as not having 

2627
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:02,000
been part of George's plan. 
But now, yeah, I don't know so 

2628
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:04,400
much about that. 
Now, here's another angle. 

2629
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:11,440
Salador San No longer in the 
employ of Stannis, got tired of 

2630
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:13,960
waiting to get paid, lost a 
bunch of ships. 

2631
02:13:14,200 --> 02:13:16,880
His employment with Stannis may 
have cost him money in the long 

2632
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:18,360
run. 
He may have come out behind. 

2633
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:21,600
He might be looking at ways of 
recouping that which well, he 

2634
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:23,680
has been doing that he's been 
back to piracy. 

2635
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:28,880
Salador San The Sans are a 
lysine family. 

2636
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:30,400
It's unknown. 
Exactly. 

2637
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:33,200
What sort of connections they 
still have, what kind of home 

2638
02:13:33,200 --> 02:13:36,600
base they have there, what you 
know, how they're viewed by 

2639
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:40,280
other Lyseny. 
But the point is here, he's not 

2640
02:13:40,280 --> 02:13:43,000
like Melisandre in that he 
doesn't have connections in the 

2641
02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:45,440
city where this Baratheon dude 
is. 

2642
02:13:45,800 --> 02:13:50,720
Maybe this is Salador's long 
term way to get paid by a 

2643
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:54,560
Baratheon After all, he doesn't 
just we just said, well, he how 

2644
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:58,040
does Edgar get back to Westeros?
Well, maybe just a ship, but how

2645
02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:01,200
does he come back to Westeros in
force this way? 

2646
02:14:01,720 --> 02:14:05,160
This is one way, anyway, Salador
San says hey, I can back this 

2647
02:14:05,160 --> 02:14:08,800
kid for Lord of Storm's End, and
when he gets it he'll pay me the

2648
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:12,360
money I'm owed from Stannis and 
what whoever else, whatever debt

2649
02:14:12,360 --> 02:14:14,840
he thinks he's owed. 
Edrick would probably be like, 

2650
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:18,440
all right, oh, I could do that. 
And who would the alternative 

2651
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:22,680
claimant be to Storm's End? 
Someone Mia Stone married, or 

2652
02:14:23,080 --> 02:14:25,960
Gendry? 
There may not even be stiff 

2653
02:14:25,960 --> 02:14:28,200
opposition here that the 
opposition may be just a 

2654
02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:32,960
completely new family that Young
Griff wants to put on the after 

2655
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:36,280
Connington and his people's 
advice, Varys's advice or Varys 

2656
02:14:36,280 --> 02:14:39,040
may advise, Hey, no, no team up 
with this kid, bring him on 

2657
02:14:39,640 --> 02:14:41,160
right? 
That that that's a possibility. 

2658
02:14:41,160 --> 02:14:44,280
Let's more on that in a second. 
So I think Salah knows that 

2659
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:45,760
they're there. 
It's just a matter of whether he

2660
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:52,800
wants to do anything about it. 
So Edrick is an also. 

2661
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:54,960
An interesting comparison. 
As we move into talking about 

2662
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:57,440
the potential for him to be 
involved in Aegon's faction 

2663
02:14:57,760 --> 02:14:59,840
comes back to Jon Connington and
the whole story that Jon 

2664
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:01,600
Connington drank himself to 
death in exile. 

2665
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:04,720
That's an interesting little 
angle to consider with Edrick 

2666
02:15:04,720 --> 02:15:08,760
and his protectors in a place 
that would very much tempt them 

2667
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:10,600
into doing lots of drinking and 
partying. 

2668
02:15:11,240 --> 02:15:12,720
But Jon Connington didn't fall 
for it. 

2669
02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:14,640
It was just a cover story. 
And maybe that'll be the 

2670
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:18,120
something like this here. 
It's too bad he wasn't on TV 

2671
02:15:18,120 --> 02:15:21,840
because his lines are so funny. 
But on the other hand, it's it's

2672
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:25,440
good when a character isn't on 
TV because we don't have their 

2673
02:15:26,080 --> 02:15:28,520
potential end game ruin. 
We don't know what happens 

2674
02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:31,320
because Gendrick isn't a story. 
Gendrick isn't a character. 

2675
02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:34,960
Gendry and Edrick were combined.
Mia wasn't in the show at all. 

2676
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:36,480
So yeah, so that's good. 
So we don't know. 

2677
02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:37,480
We don't know how they're going 
to end up. 

2678
02:15:37,480 --> 02:15:40,280
We don't, we don't have Gendry 
and Arya hooking up and then 

2679
02:15:40,280 --> 02:15:42,320
Gendry getting Storms End. 
That happened on the show. 

2680
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:45,160
We have no reason to believe 
that's the case in the books. 

2681
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:49,040
It's it's way low on the things 
that the show gives us where 

2682
02:15:49,200 --> 02:15:51,160
certain things are like, yeah, 
that's probably going to happen.

2683
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:52,720
And other things are like, no 
way. 

2684
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,920
This is pretty close to no way, 
at least as far as like we 

2685
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,040
should think about it that way 
because like they changed. 

2686
02:15:58,040 --> 02:16:00,040
They clearly changed so much. 
They mashed up characters. 

2687
02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:01,160
Yeah, like how can you look at 
that? 

2688
02:16:01,160 --> 02:16:03,760
The same Gendrick getting 
Storm's End might be the the 

2689
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:07,600
Edrick Storm part of the story. 
So, yeah, I think the other 

2690
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:10,320
angle to Aegon I want to point 
out here, Aegon the Sixth, Young

2691
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:13,960
Griff, all that. 
Imagine him hearing the story 

2692
02:16:14,520 --> 02:16:17,760
that, well, put, putting it 
from, sorry, putting it from 

2693
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:21,560
Edrick's point of view. 
Imagine hearing that Young Griff

2694
02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:24,960
calling himself Aegon Targaryen 
has taken the throne, calling 

2695
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:28,480
himself the son of Rhaegar. 
Well, one of the things Edrick 

2696
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:32,160
bragged about was my father beat
Rhaegar on the tribe that killed

2697
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:35,600
Rhaegar and took the throne. 
What happens if Edrick sitting 

2698
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:41,040
there in exile is like, what? 
Rhaegar's son took the throne? 

2699
02:16:41,559 --> 02:16:44,120
My father killed that guy. 
I got to go. 

2700
02:16:44,120 --> 02:16:47,160
Like, if anything is going to 
draw him back to Westeros, some 

2701
02:16:47,160 --> 02:16:49,040
of these other things might. 
This is another one. 

2702
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:53,840
He's like, you've got Aegon 
Targaryen trying to make 

2703
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:56,040
everyone think he's Rhaegar's 
son by doing things like maybe 

2704
02:16:56,040 --> 02:16:59,520
having Dark Star on the side, 
wielding Dawn, doing all these 

2705
02:16:59,520 --> 02:17:02,400
other things to remind people of
Rhaegar, maybe having Dornish 

2706
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:06,080
allies, maybe marrying our 
Arianne Martel, just doing all 

2707
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:07,719
these things that remind people 
of Rhaegar. 

2708
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:11,559
Here comes Edrick Storm trying 
to replay his father's role. 

2709
02:17:11,559 --> 02:17:14,040
I'm going to kill that son of 
Rhaegar, just like my father. 

2710
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:19,320
I don't know if that's what's 
up, but it's if he does this 

2711
02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:22,040
that might make him an enemy of 
Danny to follow in his father's 

2712
02:17:22,040 --> 02:17:23,120
footsteps on the other. 
Hand. 

2713
02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:25,879
Maybe he could become an ally of
Danny. 

2714
02:17:26,440 --> 02:17:30,080
I don't know what how is Danny 
going to face off against Aegon,

2715
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:31,840
right? 
That's a big open question. 

2716
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:37,799
And somehow in the middle of all
this, he could fit in Edrick 

2717
02:17:37,799 --> 02:17:42,440
could fit in all this as a ally 
or enemy to both or either. 

2718
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:46,799
So let's work towards the end of
our upside by summarizing and 

2719
02:17:46,799 --> 02:17:48,559
looking at some of these 
characters as a whole. 

2720
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:50,360
The title. 
Section 3. 

2721
02:17:50,360 --> 02:17:54,760
Baratheon Bastards. 
So in reviewing we have one who 

2722
02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:56,680
doesn't seem to know but is an 
open secret. 

2723
02:17:56,680 --> 02:17:58,440
Even though I kind of lean. 
Towards her knowing there's 

2724
02:17:58,440 --> 02:18:01,080
still are. 
Discussions about denial and 

2725
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:07,600
clarity, and maybe it will be 
fully proven to her later, into 

2726
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:11,200
A to the way to a point that she
can't deny it or feel open about

2727
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:12,760
it. 
And of course, Gendry doesn't 

2728
02:18:12,760 --> 02:18:18,680
know at all, doesn't even know 
his father was noble, let alone 

2729
02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:20,280
the king. 
No idea whatsoever. 

2730
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:24,520
And then and then Edrick, who's 
very much knows, is very proud 

2731
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:28,799
of it, speaks about it as often 
as he can and is willful about 

2732
02:18:28,799 --> 02:18:31,200
being like him as much as he can
be. 

2733
02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:33,879
And much as he knows. 
That is itself a fascinating, 

2734
02:18:33,879 --> 02:18:36,120
realistic, realistic aspect of 
birth and privilege. 

2735
02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:39,160
The kid who knows he's the son 
of the king is the proudest and 

2736
02:18:39,160 --> 02:18:42,959
most confident, Go figure. 
It's not just about that though.

2737
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:45,280
It's the upbringing of knowing 
you're getting treated better 

2738
02:18:45,280 --> 02:18:47,959
than everybody else for the most
part by having better education,

2739
02:18:47,959 --> 02:18:50,240
better food, better housing, all
these other things like that 

2740
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:53,000
tells you something that's hard 
to not feel subconsciously. 

2741
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:55,719
Mia Stone isn't getting that. 
Gendry's getting even less, 

2742
02:18:55,719 --> 02:18:59,879
although he doesn't realize he 
maybe is owed it to certain to a

2743
02:18:59,879 --> 02:19:02,400
certain extent. 
Hopefully this wasn't lost in 

2744
02:19:02,400 --> 02:19:06,320
the shuffle too much. 
But while it's very plain Robert

2745
02:19:06,320 --> 02:19:09,040
had nothing, well, not nothing 
to do with these children's 

2746
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:11,360
upbringings, very, very little 
to do with these children's 

2747
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:13,480
upbringings. 
Their mothers were sort of 

2748
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:16,840
forced out of the pictures as 
well, maybe less so for Gendry. 

2749
02:19:16,840 --> 02:19:18,440
Again, we we just, we talked 
about that separately. 

2750
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:19,639
We're not really sure what 
happened there. 

2751
02:19:19,639 --> 02:19:21,760
She might have been an 
exception, but Edrick was sent 

2752
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:25,840
away from Delina and Mia was 
given a role that probably 

2753
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:28,840
didn't have her connected to her
mother at all, probably 

2754
02:19:28,840 --> 02:19:31,959
separated in a similar sense. 
And we don't even know her name.

2755
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:42,080
So basically because Edrick and 
Mia's father is who he is, they 

2756
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:45,920
can't just be left alone and 
hope nothing goes wrong. 

2757
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:48,280
There's a chance that someone 
comes along and would pluck up 

2758
02:19:48,280 --> 02:19:51,360
Edrick and would use him as a 
claimant against his own will. 

2759
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:55,200
Maybe less so, Mia, but still 
the issue is there. 

2760
02:19:55,880 --> 02:19:57,840
So it's kind of heartbreaking in
that sense. 

2761
02:19:57,840 --> 02:20:01,760
These these bastards, whether 
they're nobly born or not, they 

2762
02:20:01,760 --> 02:20:05,560
don't have proper families. 
Even when they get taken care 

2763
02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:07,480
of, it's not by their mother and
father. 

2764
02:20:07,880 --> 02:20:10,680
It's by their extended family or
by someone else entirely. 

2765
02:20:11,560 --> 02:20:13,520
They end up in places like the 
brother without Banner. 

2766
02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:14,720
They try to find their own 
family. 

2767
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:16,280
They make a family, you know, 
like I don't have one. 

2768
02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:18,120
So I'm going to go ahead and 
find someone to join. 

2769
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:22,520
That's very human as far as 
their collective outlooks. 

2770
02:20:23,320 --> 02:20:25,360
Of course, the claims are a big 
part of all this. 

2771
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:27,880
We're talking about a family 
that is very like likely wiped 

2772
02:20:27,880 --> 02:20:29,600
out. 
So it'd be one thing if there 

2773
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:32,280
were like 50 Baratheons, like 
there's that many Tyrells. 

2774
02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:34,560
Like if there was 1 Tyrell 
bastard. 

2775
02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:38,640
If if Edrick was Edrick Flowers,
I don't think it wouldn't be 

2776
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:39,800
that big a deal. 
Who would care? 

2777
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:43,080
I mean, maybe if he was like a 
really older son of Mace or 

2778
02:20:43,080 --> 02:20:46,800
something like that, maybe. 
But if he's just like Mace's 

2779
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:49,480
younger brother's bachelor, 
there's the bajillion Tyrells, 

2780
02:20:49,480 --> 02:20:50,960
no one would care. 
It doesn't matter. 

2781
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:52,720
His claim is nothing. 
There's just so many. 

2782
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:54,760
What's he going to do? 
Kill 50 Tyrells? 

2783
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:56,560
Who's going to help him do that,
right? 

2784
02:20:56,680 --> 02:21:00,600
It just, it's unfathomable. 
But the state of House 

2785
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:04,040
Baratheon, I mean, I said at the
beginning, there's nobody right?

2786
02:21:04,480 --> 02:21:09,520
In a book or two, we might have 
no one with the true born name 

2787
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:13,600
Baratheon left. 
Thus, the door is very open for 

2788
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:17,200
one of these bastards to be 
legitimized or to claim it that 

2789
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:19,560
via those means because of that 
path is so wide open. 

2790
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:24,800
And Varus again comes into the 
picture because hidden claims 

2791
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:29,120
like those that can be found in 
bastards are a sneaky way of 

2792
02:21:29,240 --> 02:21:31,120
advanced planning. 
Like like as if you're, if 

2793
02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:35,680
you're an arch plotter like 
Varus again, Varus maybe he's 

2794
02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:39,040
got Tyrex stashed and he 
certainly had Tyrion in mind. 

2795
02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:42,280
He and Illyrio for a possible 
candidate to take over Castley 

2796
02:21:42,280 --> 02:21:45,520
Rock once they've installed 
their regime, as I said earlier,

2797
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:48,680
they're going to have a plan for
all 7 great houses, whether it's

2798
02:21:48,680 --> 02:21:53,000
a marriage, whether it's a some 
sort of violence or an alliance 

2799
02:21:53,000 --> 02:21:56,000
of some sort of that they're, 
they thought it through one way 

2800
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:59,240
or the other. 
And Storm's End is literally the

2801
02:21:59,240 --> 02:22:01,640
one that they have conquered so 
far, right? 

2802
02:22:01,640 --> 02:22:04,440
Aegon has already taken Storm's 
End as of early the Winds of 

2803
02:22:04,440 --> 02:22:06,680
Winter. 
So it's it's the one castle they

2804
02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:09,240
actually have too. 
It isn't just one of the seven 

2805
02:22:09,240 --> 02:22:11,960
main considerations, it's the 
one they have in their 

2806
02:22:11,960 --> 02:22:14,160
possession. 
They have a lot more ability to 

2807
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:17,320
dictate what's happens with the 
ownership of Storm's End given 

2808
02:22:17,320 --> 02:22:22,080
they have possession of it. 
So I'm not out here suggesting 

2809
02:22:22,080 --> 02:22:25,680
King Gendry or King Edrick, even
though they're the children of 

2810
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:28,240
Robert. 
Especially given Virus is who 

2811
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:30,520
we're talking about here and 
King Aegon is their plan. 

2812
02:22:31,160 --> 02:22:34,040
But having, you know, a 
Baratheon on your side, or maybe

2813
02:22:34,040 --> 02:22:37,040
even multiples backing you up, 
it would stiffen his claim. 

2814
02:22:37,040 --> 02:22:39,200
It would stiffen Aegon's claim. 
It would make it look more 

2815
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:41,920
legit. 
I don't know if Edrick would be 

2816
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:46,520
on their side given the whole 
Rhaegar Robert thing, but you 

2817
02:22:46,520 --> 02:22:49,520
know, if if he's offered Storms 
end is a part of it, maybe he 

2818
02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:51,400
would make that compromise. 
I don't know. 

2819
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:55,280
Edrick becoming older and doing 
things as an adult instead of as

2820
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:57,520
a as a boy is a little harder to
figure. 

2821
02:22:57,800 --> 02:23:01,160
But regardless, Lord of Storms 
end is on the table I guess. 

2822
02:23:01,160 --> 02:23:05,840
Edrick is the most likely me as 
possible through marriage and 

2823
02:23:06,160 --> 02:23:09,320
other reasons. 
Gendry is older than Edrick, so 

2824
02:23:09,320 --> 02:23:12,640
if somehow both of their claims 
are out there, Gendries would 

2825
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:14,160
have a little of that going for 
it. 

2826
02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:17,480
But of course, Edrick's being 
more noble, has a lot going for 

2827
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:20,440
him too, and has lived there and
it's lived there and it's 

2828
02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:21,720
charmed how many people that are
there. 

2829
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:23,800
Yeah, he's more familiar to the 
Storms End people. 

2830
02:23:23,960 --> 02:23:26,320
To the Baratheons in. 
General, they've all known about

2831
02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:28,800
his existence since he was born.
So yeah, he's a, he's a kind of 

2832
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:30,440
a known commodity. 
Gendry's like, hey, where you 

2833
02:23:30,440 --> 02:23:32,240
coming from? 
He's a Stormlander, whereas 

2834
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:33,600
Gendry's a crown land. 
That too. 

2835
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:35,600
Good point. 
Like yeah, he's a Baratheon, but

2836
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:37,000
not really from. 
There. 

2837
02:23:37,080 --> 02:23:39,000
That's a good point. 
Yeah, so. 

2838
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:42,320
I do think it's. 
Possible, in fact likely, that 

2839
02:23:42,480 --> 02:23:44,080
one. 
Of them ends up with Storm's End

2840
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:46,600
at the end of the story, and I 
do think Edrick is the most 

2841
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:50,000
likely, probably in that order. 
Edrik, Gendry, Mia. 

2842
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:54,280
But obviously since there are 
other bastards of Robert out 

2843
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:56,160
there, there are other 
possibilities. 

2844
02:23:56,720 --> 02:24:01,320
Mia is a little more possible if
both Edrik and or Gendry die or 

2845
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:03,040
are unavailable or something 
like that. 

2846
02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:06,560
The idea would be to keep 
Baratheon blood at Storm's End. 

2847
02:24:06,880 --> 02:24:10,680
If Mia married somebody else and
did it, it would be a little bit

2848
02:24:10,680 --> 02:24:14,080
like how Orice Baratheon married
the last Durand and Princess to 

2849
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:16,720
keep that bloodline still in 
play as well. 

2850
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:26,240
So yeah, as to Gendry involved 
as a potential stash, now giving

2851
02:24:26,280 --> 02:24:30,560
the given the fact that we have 
both Tyrek and Tyrion viruses 

2852
02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:32,880
may be smart enough to think, 
hey, let's not put all our eggs 

2853
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:35,240
in one basket. 
Let's have a couple of potential

2854
02:24:35,240 --> 02:24:38,200
claimants in our back pocket for
all these major seats. 

2855
02:24:39,080 --> 02:24:42,240
But again, he sent Gendry to the
Night's Watch. 

2856
02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:46,880
I guess he could be thinking a 
king can legitimize even someone

2857
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:48,800
who took the black. 
Maybe that's his angle. 

2858
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:51,000
Maybe that actually is a really 
good place to stash someone, 

2859
02:24:51,080 --> 02:24:54,040
Make Aegon king. 
Once he's king, Aegon can be 

2860
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:57,760
like, all right, you that kid up
there that you have the 

2861
02:24:57,760 --> 02:25:01,960
blacksmith kid. 
I legitimize him and I remove 

2862
02:25:01,960 --> 02:25:04,200
his vows. 
Just like you can legitimize a 

2863
02:25:04,200 --> 02:25:05,960
bastard, you can remove Nights 
Watch vows. 

2864
02:25:05,960 --> 02:25:09,160
Rob specifically told his mother
that he could do that. 

2865
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:12,600
So if Rob can do it, then why 
not the Iron Throne? 

2866
02:25:13,160 --> 02:25:16,520
So maybe I'm going a little too 
far to repeat myself in 

2867
02:25:16,520 --> 02:25:20,480
suggesting that Var sending 
Gendry to the Night's Watch is a

2868
02:25:20,480 --> 02:25:22,400
dead end. 
Maybe not. 

2869
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:25,080
It's definitely makes it a 
little harder to figure though. 

2870
02:25:25,080 --> 02:25:28,080
It's a little confusing. 
But also, as I mentioned 

2871
02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:32,120
earlier, Thoros never saw any 
results, never saw any grand 

2872
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:34,160
destiny for Gendry. 
But maybe he hasn't looked. 

2873
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:35,400
Maybe he's just been looking at 
other things. 

2874
02:25:35,400 --> 02:25:40,120
He he hasn't had a reason to 
maybe specifically look at 

2875
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:43,840
Gendry's future in the flames. 
You know, poll results at the 

2876
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:47,520
beginning of this episode, we 
asked you all to weigh in on who

2877
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:52,480
might get Storm's End. 
Y'all have voted Mia Stone did 

2878
02:25:52,680 --> 02:25:56,440
less well than someone else, 
which you know to given 

2879
02:25:56,440 --> 02:25:59,840
Westerosi rules and and claim 
boy claims work and her status. 

2880
02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:03,360
It's not that strange. 
But I I'm slightly amused by a 

2881
02:26:03,360 --> 02:26:06,040
blank did better than Mia Stone 
by only 1%. 

2882
02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:10,000
Overwhelmingly y'all picked 
Edrick Storm almost a full 2/3 

2883
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:14,120
with a 1/4 going to Gendry. 
So yeah, you guys are pretty 

2884
02:26:14,120 --> 02:26:16,080
much in line with me. 
I also think Edrick is the most 

2885
02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:18,120
likely and I would put Gendry 
decks. 

2886
02:26:18,120 --> 02:26:19,760
So there you go. 
I think we're pretty much in 

2887
02:26:19,760 --> 02:26:20,960
line there. 
Is that kind of how you see it a

2888
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:24,000
shave? 
Yeah, I would agree with that. 

2889
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:26,920
I don't think. 
I think it's got to be Edrick, I

2890
02:26:26,920 --> 02:26:29,520
think. 
People just get the show kind of

2891
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:33,160
confuses things a little bit for
them and and all that and the 

2892
02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:37,200
five year gap not existing maybe
effects things. 

2893
02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:41,120
My other question is like, will 
we see who's who owns storms? 

2894
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:43,960
And at the end, maybe we don't, 
maybe we don't know who has it. 

2895
02:26:43,960 --> 02:26:46,320
Maybe it's not wrapped up in a 
neat little bow and we just 

2896
02:26:46,320 --> 02:26:47,840
don't know. 
I you know what I mean? 

2897
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:49,880
That's a possibility I'd really 
consider, but I can't say you're

2898
02:26:49,880 --> 02:26:51,560
wrong about to to add that to 
the list. 

2899
02:26:51,560 --> 02:26:53,000
Yeah, I mean you don't get 
resolution. 

2900
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:55,960
On every No, we won't. 
No, you're right, you're right, 

2901
02:26:55,960 --> 02:26:57,320
We can't. 
It just wouldn't be feasible 

2902
02:26:57,320 --> 02:26:59,000
like. 
The story doesn't work that way 

2903
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:02,440
I guess like the the logistics. 
Within the story, don't create a

2904
02:27:02,440 --> 02:27:04,240
situation where we could have 
some narrator tell us that 

2905
02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:05,800
everything that happened at the 
end there that just doesn't 

2906
02:27:05,800 --> 02:27:07,400
yeah, like it. 
Something will have to be left 

2907
02:27:07,400 --> 02:27:08,720
unknown. 
It's like when you see a 

2908
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:12,040
documentary or like something in
the end they say like Edric 

2909
02:27:12,040 --> 02:27:14,000
Storm came back three years 
later. 

2910
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:16,760
And took storms out like, OK, 
yes, we can see any of those 

2911
02:27:16,840 --> 02:27:18,840
like biopics or whatever. 
They give you the rest what they

2912
02:27:18,840 --> 02:27:19,720
like. 
We didn't have time for the 

2913
02:27:19,720 --> 02:27:21,200
whole everything. 
So here's what happened. 

2914
02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:23,240
The rest of the time. 
So I'm really curious about 

2915
02:27:23,240 --> 02:27:26,240
Edric and his view on Targaryens
because yeah, Robert hated 

2916
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:28,880
Targaryens with a passion, but I
don't think Robert passed that 

2917
02:27:28,880 --> 02:27:31,920
on to Edric. 
He was very little time spent 

2918
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,280
around him. 
He knows Edrick. 

2919
02:27:33,720 --> 02:27:37,560
Edrick knows his father killed 
Rhaegar, but does he know Robert

2920
02:27:37,560 --> 02:27:40,240
hated Rhaegar, that Robert hated
Targaryens? 

2921
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:42,640
He might not have. 
And if he doesn't know that, 

2922
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:46,000
then that really opens up a lot 
more potential for a positive 

2923
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:50,560
connection between Edrick and 
Danny or Edrick and other people

2924
02:27:50,560 --> 02:27:54,080
that we like other people that 
that indicate perhaps a happy 

2925
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:57,040
landing, a safe ending, 
something like that. 

2926
02:27:57,280 --> 02:28:00,920
I think if Robert visited him 
every year, there was a good 

2927
02:28:00,920 --> 02:28:03,400
chance that something came up 
about. 

2928
02:28:03,400 --> 02:28:06,680
His beliefs in that, you know, 
it's it's possible it didn't it 

2929
02:28:06,680 --> 02:28:08,680
it's definitely possible. 
I just wouldn't take it for 

2930
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:09,720
granted. 
Yeah, I wouldn't take it for 

2931
02:28:09,720 --> 02:28:12,080
granted that that he did. 
But I would say like if they're 

2932
02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:13,800
training. 
And fighting you might be like 

2933
02:28:13,800 --> 02:28:15,520
And here's what you do for a 
Targaryen. 

2934
02:28:15,600 --> 02:28:18,120
Pet, you know, I don't know. 
It's also he's at that perfect 

2935
02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:21,520
age where you cannot assume how 
Danny will will look on him. 

2936
02:28:21,880 --> 02:28:23,720
Danny. 
Looking on a a son of Robert. 

2937
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:28,160
Probably not good, but he's 13, 
does she going to look on him 

2938
02:28:28,200 --> 02:28:31,560
like that is maybe old enough to
look on as an enemy. 

2939
02:28:32,200 --> 02:28:35,240
Tywin would look at it as a 
baby, as an enemy, as someone 

2940
02:28:35,240 --> 02:28:37,520
that you might have to kill or 
should be killed for political 

2941
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:39,400
reasons. 
Danny, though Danny's very 

2942
02:28:39,400 --> 02:28:42,680
different when it comes to 
children. 99% of the time, maybe

2943
02:28:42,680 --> 02:28:46,240
not. 100% of the time We've seen
an exception or two, and Edric 

2944
02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:48,920
Storm might be a candidate to be
an exception because he's 

2945
02:28:48,920 --> 02:28:51,800
Robert's son and Danny really, 
really, really doesn't like 

2946
02:28:51,800 --> 02:28:53,440
Robert. 
On the other hand, she's been 

2947
02:28:53,440 --> 02:28:55,880
coming around a little bit on 
that, slowly and surely. 

2948
02:28:55,880 --> 02:28:59,000
Not so much that she's coming 
around to liken Robert, Nah, but

2949
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:01,760
she's coming around to hate him 
less and understand that her 

2950
02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:05,880
father was bad and that Robert 
maybe wasn't so out of line and 

2951
02:29:05,960 --> 02:29:08,120
overthrowing her father. 
She hasn't gotten there yet, but

2952
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:11,680
you can see that some of that 
progress is maybe being made, or

2953
02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:14,240
at least some headway. 
Maybe it won't get all the way, 

2954
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:19,080
but at least that that track 
isn't entirely on trod on. 

2955
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:22,520
Last little subtopic here. 
Will any of them ever meet each 

2956
02:29:22,520 --> 02:29:25,000
other? 
Yeah, I keep saying Gendrick as 

2957
02:29:25,000 --> 02:29:26,960
a mash up, but what if they 
actually meet and they could 

2958
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:28,360
come buddies and that be their 
ship name? 

2959
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:29,920
Like, hey there, it's Gendrick, 
they're friends. 

2960
02:29:30,040 --> 02:29:32,400
Look, you want to say a ship 
name for for that, you never 

2961
02:29:32,400 --> 02:29:33,440
know. 
Ship name? 

2962
02:29:33,440 --> 02:29:35,840
You never know. 
They're not. 

2963
02:29:35,840 --> 02:29:37,640
Lannisters or Targaryens? 
Come on. 

2964
02:29:37,720 --> 02:29:38,520
Yeah, you're right. 
They're. 

2965
02:29:38,520 --> 02:29:39,360
They're related. 
They can't. 

2966
02:29:39,360 --> 02:29:42,160
Do that, but I, I. 
Feel like I feel like I my gut 

2967
02:29:42,160 --> 02:29:43,560
reaction is that if those two 
met. 

2968
02:29:43,560 --> 02:29:45,400
They wouldn't like each other. 
Well, I think maybe. 

2969
02:29:45,400 --> 02:29:49,320
Gendry would be open to it, but 
I feel like Edrick would be 

2970
02:29:49,640 --> 02:29:54,240
threatened and would haughty and
and I I don't know, I don't 

2971
02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:56,560
think it would go well. 
I guess it's my gut reaction. 

2972
02:29:56,560 --> 02:29:57,640
Yeah. 
It's really, it's it's tough to 

2973
02:29:57,640 --> 02:29:59,240
say because like, he might be 
like you. 

2974
02:29:59,280 --> 02:30:00,680
Yeah. 
Because if Edrick was older, he 

2975
02:30:00,680 --> 02:30:02,200
might be able to accept it more 
easily. 

2976
02:30:02,440 --> 02:30:04,840
And Gendry just has negative 
feelings towards their father, 

2977
02:30:04,840 --> 02:30:07,040
which Edrick wouldn't 
necessarily appreciate or agree 

2978
02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:08,360
with. 
Yeah, but like, if Gendry's 

2979
02:30:08,360 --> 02:30:11,120
older than him, so that's why he
would feel more threatened, you 

2980
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:12,720
know? 
I don't know. 

2981
02:30:12,880 --> 02:30:14,400
And. 
Gendry would have gone through 

2982
02:30:14,400 --> 02:30:19,280
so many, like, cool life 
experiences at that point. 

2983
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:22,960
You know, I don't know, Edrick 
might admire him or look fondly 

2984
02:30:22,960 --> 02:30:25,640
on him or, but they might just 
never, they may never meet. 

2985
02:30:26,080 --> 02:30:28,360
Yeah. 
And Speaking of meetings that 

2986
02:30:28,600 --> 02:30:29,880
there's obviously other 
possibilities. 

2987
02:30:29,880 --> 02:30:32,680
Mia could get involved. 
Although she's perhaps less 

2988
02:30:32,680 --> 02:30:35,560
likely to leave the Vale and and
meet anybody but Bella and 

2989
02:30:35,560 --> 02:30:36,240
Gendry. 
Matt. 

2990
02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:39,440
And that was really funny. 
And, you know, there's nine 

2991
02:30:39,440 --> 02:30:42,520
other kids out there. 
So yeah, maybe maybe there's 

2992
02:30:42,520 --> 02:30:45,120
some other humorous meetings or 
some not so humorous meetings, 

2993
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:47,760
some meaningful plot driven 
meetings. 

2994
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:51,560
It's yeah. 
I, I we were joking about Gendry

2995
02:30:51,560 --> 02:30:54,960
and Edrick as like a ship. 
Friendship is definitely 

2996
02:30:54,960 --> 02:30:57,120
possible. 
But a marriage, you know, like 

2997
02:30:57,160 --> 02:31:00,400
Mia marrying Gendry, that's I 
don't think so. 

2998
02:31:00,400 --> 02:31:03,600
That's just too incestuous. 
These aren't Targaryens, even 

2999
02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:05,000
though they do have some 
Targaryen blood in their 

3000
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:06,160
ancestry. 
Yeah, I don't, I don't know 

3001
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:08,920
about that. 
So, yeah, and that's the thing, 

3002
02:31:08,920 --> 02:31:11,960
like if Gendry is going to be 
the Lord of Storm's End or 

3003
02:31:11,960 --> 02:31:13,840
Edrick is, maybe we get that 
far. 

3004
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:16,800
We don't necessarily get a a 
pairing, a spouse for them. 

3005
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:18,840
You know, that's the thing, like
you were saying, we don't 

3006
02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:21,640
necessarily get a full 
everything is set. 

3007
02:31:21,640 --> 02:31:24,960
Well, maybe that part happens, 
but it isn't like a marriage and

3008
02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:27,640
children also maybe imply that 
that's coming. 

3009
02:31:27,640 --> 02:31:30,760
But we don't necessarily know 
who that will be. 3 characters 

3010
02:31:30,760 --> 02:31:33,920
with the same father, none who 
know each other or even know of 

3011
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:36,240
each other. 
Lots of possibilities for them 

3012
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:39,080
as individuals and as children 
of the recently dead King 

3013
02:31:39,080 --> 02:31:41,920
Robert. 
That parentage can be a blessing

3014
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:44,680
or a curse or both depending on 
the circumstances. 

3015
02:31:45,040 --> 02:31:47,600
Depending on the context, it 
might get them ahead later in 

3016
02:31:47,600 --> 02:31:50,760
life, it might get them killed. 
From major political 

3017
02:31:50,760 --> 02:31:54,200
possibilities, massive impact on
the plot to potential character 

3018
02:31:54,200 --> 02:31:57,760
moments like Gendry learning who
his father is, Edrick learning 

3019
02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:01,760
who his father really was. 
In terms of personality, I don't

3020
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:06,080
mean identity or just other 
mysteries being cleared up with 

3021
02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:08,120
Mia. 
We have a lot of uncertainties 

3022
02:32:08,120 --> 02:32:10,800
there. 
There's a lot of moving 

3023
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:13,920
character moments possible and 
political implications that are 

3024
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:16,040
huge. 
Both of these are full of 

3025
02:32:16,040 --> 02:32:18,320
potential. 
Melisandre was more right than 

3026
02:32:18,320 --> 02:32:23,800
we knew or that she even knew. 
There is power in King's blood. 

3027
02:32:23,800 --> 02:32:28,000
Y'all couple of questions from 
you guys here from SK Gano. 

3028
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:30,280
Who do you think that Robert 
without net his hand is covering

3029
02:32:30,280 --> 02:32:33,480
the truth about his royal kids 
would do and well would he do in

3030
02:32:33,480 --> 02:32:35,200
Aegon the unworthy and legalize 
them? 

3031
02:32:36,200 --> 02:32:37,800
No, I don't think he would do 
that. 

3032
02:32:37,800 --> 02:32:42,760
I think Aegon was just cruel and
wanted to inflict harm on other 

3033
02:32:42,760 --> 02:32:46,040
people. 
I think he he liked the idea of 

3034
02:32:46,040 --> 02:32:48,320
creating all this chaos and and 
civil war. 

3035
02:32:48,320 --> 02:32:50,920
I think Robert is more of a just
can't be bothered. 

3036
02:32:51,240 --> 02:32:54,400
Robert doesn't have the like I 
want to screw everyone up vibe 

3037
02:32:54,400 --> 02:32:55,280
to him. 
He doesn't have that. 

3038
02:32:55,280 --> 02:32:59,160
Like I would love to ruin things
to to mess things up for the 

3039
02:32:59,160 --> 02:33:01,040
sake of messing things up. 
That doesn't Robert doesn't seem

3040
02:33:01,040 --> 02:33:03,680
to get pleasure from that. 
Robert gets pleasure from the 

3041
02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:06,160
actually sleeping with women. 
He he gets pleasure from 

3042
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:07,720
pleasure. 
He gets pleasure from pleasure. 

3043
02:33:07,720 --> 02:33:09,160
Yeah. 
He doesn't get pleasure from 

3044
02:33:09,480 --> 02:33:12,560
cruelty and from. 
The thought of like Robert. 

3045
02:33:12,560 --> 02:33:16,400
Wrecked the realm through his 
laziness, through his 

3046
02:33:16,400 --> 02:33:20,120
inattentiveness, not through 
trying to do it right. 

3047
02:33:20,120 --> 02:33:21,560
He wasn't. 
If he had aimed to do it, he 

3048
02:33:21,560 --> 02:33:23,280
might have done a better job of 
wrecking the realm. 

3049
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:28,720
But Aegon the Unworthy was just 
a different kind of motivation. 

3050
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:32,360
Like the results are similar in 
a lot of ways but but. 

3051
02:33:32,360 --> 02:33:35,000
But milder. 
Like, I don't foresee A 

3052
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:39,560
Blackfyre rebellion of five 
generations of Baratheon 

3053
02:33:39,560 --> 02:33:42,280
bastards troubling the realm 
starting with Edric Storm or 

3054
02:33:42,280 --> 02:33:45,040
something like that. 
The Stormfire rebellions, you 

3055
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:48,880
know, actually sounds really 
cool, but I don't see it coming,

3056
02:33:50,480 --> 02:33:53,520
a guilty undertaker says. 
If Robert paid more attention to

3057
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:54,760
his bastards, he had realized 
that. 

3058
02:33:54,760 --> 02:33:57,280
Cersei's kids couldn't be his. 
Oh, very good point. 

3059
02:33:57,280 --> 02:34:00,440
Yeah, that's a very good point. 
It might have talked about 

3060
02:34:00,440 --> 02:34:03,400
denial. 
Robert had quite a bit as well 

3061
02:34:03,880 --> 02:34:06,240
about his his whole relationship
with Cersei, his whole marriage 

3062
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:07,960
with Cersei and all his 
children. 

3063
02:34:08,120 --> 02:34:10,520
Did he at least see every child 
once? 

3064
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:13,600
No, definitely not. 
No, you never saw like a a. 

3065
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:15,800
You never saw Gendry? 
Yeah, he never saw Gendry. 

3066
02:34:15,800 --> 02:34:17,200
Well, he did, but. 
Didn't know who he was like, I 

3067
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:19,760
mean he saw him like. 
In a crowd like yeah, yeah. 

3068
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:21,800
Even as a tiny. 
Baby he never saw. 

3069
02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:23,360
Him. 
OK, well then yeah. 

3070
02:34:23,560 --> 02:34:25,720
Yeah, if he'd just seen every 
baby. 

3071
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:28,360
Maya remembers like him throwing
her in the air. 

3072
02:34:28,440 --> 02:34:31,640
So he, he definitely and he and 
he apparently had more interest.

3073
02:34:31,640 --> 02:34:34,000
In Maya than her mother like 
he's kept going to see her even 

3074
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:36,160
after he lost interest in her 
mother. 

3075
02:34:36,480 --> 02:34:40,840
But yeah, never met, never saw 
Gendry after, and never 

3076
02:34:40,840 --> 02:34:42,960
apparently still, you think he 
saw, like, what did he see at 

3077
02:34:42,960 --> 02:34:45,680
least three kids then, right? 
Yeah, he didn't see those twins 

3078
02:34:45,720 --> 02:34:46,440
either. 
He fathered them. 

3079
02:34:46,440 --> 02:34:47,760
The Castle Rock they were. 
Born after he left. 

3080
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:49,480
At least three, I think. 
Yeah, at least three. 

3081
02:34:49,560 --> 02:34:51,600
So. 
That's pretty good. 

3082
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:53,560
Like comparison to be like why 
are these? 

3083
02:34:53,560 --> 02:34:54,960
Three kids blind, he's. 
Just just. 

3084
02:34:54,960 --> 02:34:57,720
He was just. 
You know, lazy and inattentive 

3085
02:34:57,760 --> 02:34:59,320
is the answer. 
Not thoughtful either. 

3086
02:34:59,320 --> 02:35:02,080
Not thoughtful, not an active 
mind, not an overactive 

3087
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:04,920
imagination, not not an active. 
Imagination not. 

3088
02:35:05,000 --> 02:35:08,920
An imagination. 
The trivia question was again 

3089
02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:11,640
Robert's last bastard was Barra.
Who? 

3090
02:35:11,640 --> 02:35:12,880
Robert. 
Fathered on the Virgin. 

3091
02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:17,440
Sex worker In 298 Barra was 
murdered on the order of 

3092
02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:23,000
Searcy's early A Clash of Kings 
who did the actual killing, Al 

3093
02:35:23,000 --> 02:35:25,880
Ardeem. 
Al Ardeem was sent to the Wall 

3094
02:35:25,880 --> 02:35:29,800
by Tyrion along with Jiano Slint
after this dirty deed. 

3095
02:35:30,120 --> 02:35:32,960
And Tyrion told the captain of 
the ship. 

3096
02:35:33,320 --> 02:35:35,960
You know, if Al Ardeem falls 
overboard on the way to the 

3097
02:35:35,960 --> 02:35:40,720
Wall, I'd owe you a favor. 
And did that favor happen? 

3098
02:35:40,720 --> 02:35:43,760
Well, we got a lot of chapters 
on the Wall, including plenty 

3099
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:46,440
with Jano Slint, Memphis, TLRD, 
McGann. 

3100
02:35:46,440 --> 02:35:47,320
Do we? 
Yeah. 

3101
02:35:47,320 --> 02:35:51,520
That dude, Bottom of the ocean. 
He lives with the Merlings. 

3102
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:56,200
He's down there with getting the
the patch face treatment. 

3103
02:35:56,560 --> 02:36:00,440
Hopefully something worse. 
He deserves it In this episode. 

3104
02:36:00,480 --> 02:36:05,080
We didn't put too much effort 
into discussing what other 

3105
02:36:05,080 --> 02:36:08,000
episodes we have that relate to 
these topics, but I will do so 

3106
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:09,760
now. 
We have a whole episode on the 

3107
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:12,560
City of Lease, the free City of 
Lease, their whole history, many

3108
02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:14,880
political connections. 
I believe we say a few things 

3109
02:36:14,880 --> 02:36:16,760
about Hedrick in there because 
why wouldn't we? 

3110
02:36:16,760 --> 02:36:20,480
He's there and that's relevant. 
Aryan, The Winds of Winter 

3111
02:36:20,480 --> 02:36:22,920
chapters are very relevant in 
terms of what's going on with 

3112
02:36:22,920 --> 02:36:25,400
the Young Griffs faction. 
They're taking up Storm's End, 

3113
02:36:25,400 --> 02:36:26,960
they're invading the Storm Lands
and all that. 

3114
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:29,760
Very relevant. 
One could make comparisons and 

3115
02:36:30,280 --> 02:36:34,280
considerations with regards to 
Edrick Storm and Young Griff and

3116
02:36:34,280 --> 02:36:36,560
all that. 
And of course, Valar Raritis our

3117
02:36:36,560 --> 02:36:39,320
book series contains. 
Our reread series contains a lot

3118
02:36:39,320 --> 02:36:44,840
of the talk about Gendry and Mia
Stone and Edrick and Robert and 

3119
02:36:44,840 --> 02:36:48,160
Cersei and Davos and all these 
other related characters here 

3120
02:36:48,160 --> 02:36:51,960
and there and everywhere. 
We hope you have already 

3121
02:36:51,960 --> 02:36:56,880
listened to Valar Raritis, but 
maybe it's time for a Valar re 

3122
02:36:57,000 --> 02:37:02,440
Rearitis. 
On behalf of a Shaya, I'm Aziz. 

3123
02:37:02,520 --> 02:37:04,600
Thanks to Nina. 
For her. 

3124
02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:07,840
Great takes. 
A lot of excellent notes here 

3125
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:11,440
today, she told me as we were 
writing this episode. 

3126
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:14,120
I've got a lot of takes on this 
one, and I was very pleased to 

3127
02:37:14,120 --> 02:37:15,520
hear that. 
And they were. 

3128
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:18,880
And I was very pleased to read 
the actual takes themselves, in 

3129
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:20,680
addition to knowing they were 
coming. 

3130
02:37:21,240 --> 02:37:24,160
Thanks to Joey Townsend for our 
music. 

3131
02:37:24,480 --> 02:37:27,480
Thanks to Michael Klarfeld for 
our intro video and the maps. 

3132
02:37:27,480 --> 02:37:30,760
You can get your own Klarfeld 
maps at claredocks.de. 

3133
02:37:30,760 --> 02:37:34,280
The link is in the description, 
whether you're watching video or

3134
02:37:34,440 --> 02:37:35,960
listening to the podcast 
version. 

3135
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:41,240
No episode next week, but we'll 
be back most weeks this year for

3136
02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:45,280
more deep dives into A Song of 
Ice and Fire, House of the 

3137
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:48,160
Dragon, Night of the Seven 
Kingdoms, and everything else 

3138
02:37:48,320 --> 02:37:52,080
Westeros and Essos related. 
And you know what to do, as I 

3139
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:55,800
always say, and am not going to 
stop Valar. 

3140
02:37:56,080 --> 02:37:57,520
Reread us, my friends.