Something a bit different. Comes your way from history of
Westeros. Today will have one foot in
Martin's world where it always stays while.
The other takes a trip to a galaxy far, far away.
You got to be really flexible to have one foot in a galaxy far,
far away while your other foot is in Westeros.
Yeah. And you got to have really long
legs, you do not need to know anything about the Mandalorian
or even Star Wars to follow along.
In this episode, we're talking world-building.
Historical parallels story arc. Parallels, things of that
nature. I will supply you with
everything you need to know on that front.
Well, frequently comparing it to the more familiar features of
Planet Tous. It's kind of funny.
We're talking Star Wars, but in a way that you have to
understand A Song of Ice and Fire very well.
So in a way, this is like a primer for Star Wars or the
Mandalorian specifically, but it's only for A Song of Ice and
Fire people. Speaking of the Mandalorian in
the show itself, there will be pretty light spoilers.
We're not getting that deep into the plot of the show.
Show so much as we're looking at the setting and the history in
other words were more concerned with backstory than front story.
If you do know the Mandalorian, you might find this one
particularly fun because will be reliving a lot of that history
from a different angle, while highlighting a vast wealth of
comparisons to the Blackfriars primarily as the title
indicates. But it goes beyond the black
fires to include their parent, family, the targaryens and in
turn their nation of origin. The Valyrian Freehold itself
along with a few other connections here.
And there because well, I don't exactly have a lot of other Star
Wars, A Song of Ice and Fire parallel episodes in the in the
bank here. None.
In fact. So what we do have I'll want to
lay out here for y'all while we have the chance.
So some other miscellaneous parallels will be included here
as well. So, from George r.r., Martin to
George, Lucas and back again. All that, and more on this
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Start with a trivia question as we.
So often do since this episode has a lot of discussion about
armor and forages and things like that, I thought a question
of that nature, would be appropriate.
So where are the best forges on the iron Islands?
What location on the iron islands has the best forges?
Some would say they're the best forges in all of Westeros. -
those run by say Co Horrocks Miss like table hammad.
So, let's talk about the early history of Mandalore, the planet
where the mandalorians live shocking.
It's Mandalore lure or just Mandalore, but first look, Ash
and I are decked out in our Mandalorian gear.
I've got a Mandalorian shirt that says, this is the way I've
got a mythus or necklace and Amethyst or ring.
It don't normally like to wear Rings during recordings because
you can easily bang it on the microphone and get sounds.
But I thought it was worth the risk today, look at me living.
Seriously, she has decked out to look at that.
Yeah, I've got a bloodraven shot.
First shirt mashup made by Pat Doherty the named Pat Dorothy
might be familiar to you all. We've talked about him before,
he's a friend of the show been. So for a long time and one
anecdote we re accounted to y'all was last year.
He proposed to sand rixie and Ice and Fire con, it was
wonderful and fun and they're having a happy marriage.
By the way, sanrak sein and us are planning a sewed together.
So stay tuned for more info on that when we are ready to
announce it. Yeah, I've also got a mythus or
pin from the Chuck of fan of Maniacs.
Also, a listener. Gave me.
I would move closer to show it to the camera, but I'm very
paranoid about messing up my audio again, so I refused to
move. You'll just have to take my word
for it. Yes, it's a cool pin y'all.
So, not unlike Westeros or perhaps even S 0.
So there were sentient, bipedal species on Mandalore before the
people who eventually became known as the Mandalorian settled
there. In this case, it wasn't
something like the children of the forest but something more
like the Giants. They were called The Alamo.
Heights Alan White's aren't what we call civilized is they don't
build or right? Or Farm or anything like that.
Their tech level is roughly at the level of the Giants.
I mean maybe have a loincloth mixed in here.
There, some rudimentary tools, maybe some burials.
Much else. Well, mites are human sized for
eyes for nostrils and some number of tusks.
They're not friendly to other species.
In fact, they're said to eat humans.
Also, maybe a little bit like what people say about the Giants
that said, though, not all mandalorians are human and human
has a much broader meaning in the Star Wars Universe.
Anyway, a lot of alien species in Star.
Wars are actually former humans that have evolved into something
different after their distant ancestors set.
Hold on some Planet long ago and you know, since then they've
adapted to their survival environment, as is fitting for a
space fantasy setting. Where the distance between
planets is no big deal. There's a lot of diversity here
though. Some of that has developed over
time. And I do say space fantasy
rather than science fiction. I'm obviously a fan of Star Wars
or wouldn't be talking about it but I do think it is more space
fantasy than sci-fi science. And the workings of Technology
aren't really a big part of the stories.
They certainly exist, but it's not Usually not part of the
plot, right? It's more about there are more
magical, sort of Fantastical elements in Star Wars, than, in
most science fiction stories. The approximate given date for
the formation of the Mandalorian civilization is about 10,000
years. Before the formation of the
Galactic Empire under Palpatine which, you know, we see that,
right? At the, beginning of a new hope.
The first Star Wars movie, So 10,000 years, is it familiar
number, right? That's the same length of time
roughly that we believe westerosi civilization is exist,
roughly 10,000 years ago is when the first men started coming
across some would say, it was 8,000 years but whatever the
timeline isn't specific. As it's not meant to be but
we're still dealing with the roughly similar timeframe here.
It didn't take long for the mandalorians to overwhelm the
Alla mites, given their massive Edge and Technology, just like
Humanity was able to, To do the same to the Giants and just like
the Giants. They weren't all wiped out.
The owl might still managed to hang on, to the fringes of
civilization. But people thought they were
extinct when people thought they were all wiped out, kind of like
the Giants. Though, it lacked other sentient
species, Mandalore had plenty of other Flora, and Fauna of note,
in particular, was the mythus or the one.
We've got iconography on our body of here are huge creature
with scales and horns that could reach up to 15 meters. / 50 feet
long. Let's talk about the Memphis or
more specifically. A Mandalorian.
His true name is lost to history.
Ventured into a place. Now called the minds of
Mandalore and defeated. One of these beasts without
slaying it and emerged riding it, he was on its back.
When he finished, he was then for called Mandalore the great,
the first Rider of the mythus or high.
Think you can see where I'm going with this, at some point
in history of valyria. Someone tamed the first dragon
now theories aside about lost knowledge.
Or being taught the mean to do. So by another culture it
probably wasn't like a whole bunch of dudes and dudettes at
once. Riding Dragons there was
probably a first person it may not have been a man but a
first-person same here. There wasn't like a flood of
myths or taming Zahn on Mandalore of a sudden it was a
rare event, probably not unlike it was with Dragons.
It's probably a rare event early on now, of course, the
targaryens used magic and other things or the valyrians rather
and the targaryens use things too.
Bind themselves to dragons and ways the mandalorians never did
but it's still true that they had to tame them afterwards.
Even targaryens of the modern era, had to select a dragon and
bond with it and all that. So even if the Dragons Were
engineered initially as a species, there's still the
process of treating them like a regular animal and doing all the
basic logistical things. It's kind of funny actually that
it's a song of ice and fire that has the Genetic engineering
theories associated with this giant epic creature.
The mythus or is naturally evolved apparently, whereas the
dragons might have been engineered.
It's kind of funny that the space fantasy with all the
technology version has this untouched unmodified Beast.
Whereas, as long of Ice and Fire is the one dealing with sort of
scientific genetic modification. But hey, that's, that's just how
it is. And it's not like those things
don't exist in Star Wars. Are elsewhere.
There's lots of cloning and genetic manipulation of people.
For example, it seems to be somewhat dinosaur like the
Memphis or which is appropriate for an ancient evolved
megafauna. Yeah, and dragons are pretty
much the same depicted in described that way if the mythus
or were president old valyria, they may have made it breathe
fire. Like they did take the fireworm
jeans and put it into wyverns. If that's indeed what happened,
I don't think they would have bought.
Bother trying to give amethyst or Wings because the wings you
would need to make that thing fly her probably.
All you need is right there. You saying they should splice
the genes of a Red Bull into it. I don't understand where you're
going. Okay.
Now I see where you're going
with it. Okay.
Yeah. And they do have the horns.
Yeah, okay. MIT thesaurus can apparently
live an absurdly long time. Probably longer than dragons.
Who can at least live you know couple centuries if not more
myth Azores can apparently do a lot longer than that but we
actually adding to the irony here we know more about dragons
than we know about miffasaurous. Despite again it being a more
technologically proficient environment, where you would
expect more history and study it's just it's a story hasn't
taken. There yet.
I suspect future seasons of the Mandalorian and or some of the
other projects around, it might expand on this knowledge, which
is true of A Song of Ice and Fire as well.
We're certainly going to learn more about dragons.
But ever since this crucial founding event, the Sigil of all
the Mandalorian people is the mythus or skull.
This is extremely reminiscent of dragon skulls especially because
they're presented it right at the start of A Song of Ice and
Fire, only a few chapters in as physical evidence of a Time long
gone when families with Dragons ruled valyria and then Westeros
Same thing here, this marks another parallel, as we know in
A Song of Ice and Fire, a main part of the story is the return
of the Dragons, the Memphis, or was also thought to be extinct
in the Star Wars universe. But as the story progresses, we
discover there's at least one left and maybe more beyond that.
The return of dragons in the rediscovery of the meant to soar
have huge political implications for their respective stories as
well, because they're such important symbols of legacy of
leadership that were in place for eons, not to mention as
gigantic controllable beasts. They're actually quite helpful
and, you know, taking leadership in the first place through
actual physical force or just intimidation.
You don't necessarily actually need to use the Memphis or the
dragon because people will probably just be like, okay, I
bend the knee. Yeah.
I'm not fighting that. And in both Stories, the return
of these ancient. Again, I love to call the
megafauna enables, the return of a house to Royal power.
It enables that reclaiming of what was once lost because it
was that, which enabled them to claim that power in the first
place, and it's well known amongst their people.
That was so, Let's talk about houses and clans within the
Mandalorian Universe world just as the dragonlords rose to form
and Lead valyria is most elite houses.
So did the early mandalorians? Who wrote the mythus or rise to
become the leading families of Mandalore like Westeros and many
Earths societies. They have Clans Clan structure
exists a clan or multiple Clans can form a house.
Not quite the same as Westeros but similar for example, Rook
Saxon. The Eldar kreese and vizla are
examples of prominent Mandalorian Clans.
Those are also in some cases, Mandalorian houses vizla and
Crees, for example are also mandatory houses to make the
comparison complete a house in Mandalorian culture would be if
how Stark a clan name, Clan Stark, rather, let's say Clan
Stark forms house Stark and in how Stark is their clothes as
vassals, rather than them being considered separate vassals with
separate names. They're considered part of house
Stark. So imagine house.
Sir winner, Kerwin their house Cassell, they would just be part
of house Stark, huh? So cell the cell, right house to
sell and the families that are Qatar cloy lists.
And so that would be as if they would be all under one umbrella,
with one name, where Clan Stark is still the dominant Force
within house star. So it's really you can see why
that's really similar, but Mandalorian culture is a little
bit less about blood relationship family.
Emily doesn't mean quite as much house means more how sometimes
means family, but not always. So there isn't a vassal system,
that's the big. There's no feudalism, although
there are futile titles that remind us of feudalism in
medieval societies, for example, there's Lords and Ladies amongst
mandalorians, there's duchesses and countesses and things like
that. Very similar titles.
Also, similar to Westeros in the real world Clans and houses take
on sigils and have banners from time to time.
And he said, Jules very often feature animals, the sigil of
House vizla. For example, uses the shriek
Hawk, which is a predatory bird native to Mandalore Early in the
Mandalorian TV showed in jar and the Mandalorian forms Clan mud
horn, named after be rhinoceros like beasts that bears that name
mud Horn. Of course, their sigil is the
mud horn and later didn't yarn swears allegiance to house Kris,
he could say, Clan mud horn, maybe is becomes part of how
screes House cast another example out there uses that's
with a K uses, a coiled vexatious as their sigil, which
is a sand snake of sorts, not a Darkness stand, snake or even a
bastard snake, but an actual snake, like, being that lives in
the sand. We actually saw of Exes in the
rise of Skywalker movie, when Ray heels, an angry one deep in
the tunnels. It reminds me again of
fireworms. They keep coming up since they
dig tunnels, deep underground tunnels that are later
repurposed. By humans because they're really
good. Tunnels, the they are secrete
like a oil, that solidifies the sand around them as they're
traveling through it. If it wasn't clear by.
Now, mandalorians are very overwhelmingly a warrior
culture. They're not nearly entirely.
I mean, we're talking about an entire planet, so surely not
every single person if follows a warrior code and lives that
life. But It's a lot of them and we're
talking about a huge span of time here again, ten thousand
years of men, learn history. So there's been abs and flows in
that regard, but for the most part, they have been a warrior
culture all that time. Maybe a little more like the
Dothraki than other folks. But nightly westerosi culture is
pretty darn violent, and stubborn and long-lasting.
So it fits that fits that really well in addition, just as houses
in Westeros have their ancestral armor and weapons.
So do Mandalorian houses a lot of times when you see a set of
Mandalorian armor, it's been passed down over the generation,
in some cases, hundreds of years, maybe in a few cases,
even longer, which is also the case for Westeros think of the
Royce armor, or any number of Valyrian steel blades because
they're not very creative Mandalore, the great took the
title, Mandalore, there's an apostrophe in there so I'm
saying it, it doesn't sound that different.
It looks different when written. So this was his title which is
kind of like King in A Song of Ice and Fire terms.
Mandalore the great is kind of like the gardener kangaroo or
Garth The Gardener calling himself.
A Garth greenhand, calling himself, King of the reaction or
the reach that's a sticking about the hard and what's that
the guard? Yeah, the gardener came.
Yeah. What enter fell?
Yeah, so just take an apostrophe in there and make it sound
fancier, more exotic. More authoritative, apostrophes
are powerful, you all. Let me tell you will have time.
Fans might hear this name as a familiar sound because it rhymes
with Randall Thor. Mandalore.
It is what I thought too. Yeah.
I'm fine. And it has the apostrophe to
what the title indicates. Mandalore.
It's it's equivalent to someone calling themselves King of the
end-all. Al's or king of the rhoynar king
of the first men. Only, it would be king of the
mandalorians in this case because you're you're declaring
yourself, king of a people, not just a land, right?
You're king of Westeros, but you're also king of all and
Dolls is what they say is, what they claim obviously, and I was
living in essos. Don't consider themselves
subjects of the iron throne, but, you know, that's how these
titles work. They tend to go beyond their
actual Authority. So King of the mandalorians is
effectively what the title Mandalore means.
But eventually, the title of Mandalore was joined by the
office of the protectors who are essential Royal bodyguards, like
the Roman praetorians or the more familiar westerosi
kingsguard. Absolutely, they were Elite
Warriors. Chosen from amongst the various
Mandalorian Clans and houses whose job was to keep the ruler
alive from all sorts of threats, like assassination but they also
LED missions, both secretly and openly.
Ben Lee sometimes Leading Armies or at least soldiers of smaller
amounts. Also, like the kingsguard also
also, like the kingsguard they have been at times in their
history, split during Civil conflict or succession crisis
when you're supposed to stay loyal to the king.
But what if there's two kings? What if there's two mandalore's,
right? So that's going to be a core
feature of this episode since those succession crisis.
Some of those at least are similar to The blackfyre
Rebellion ends. It was important though that the
mandalorians be led by a warrior given their Origins as a
overwhelmingly Warrior culture. So while the title Mandalore, is
akin to King in many ways and other ways, it is akin to call
or captain-general of the golden company.
Something you do not get through Heritage or bloodline at least
not usually, but by Merit, and in terms of Merit, it means
beating lots of people in combat establishing yourself as a
warrior. Showing yourself as Brave and
capable Rising through the ranks of your peers which might
involve killing some of them along the way.
So Mandalore the great with his title and his gigantic Beast,
that is still to this day, the symbol of their culture, 10,000
years later. Mandalore, the great said about
to do what Warrior culture, King equivalents do, hey, get into
fights, they start them, presumably at first, this meant
dominating his own planet of Mandalore back then,
mandalorians didn't have their trademark armor with all the
gadgets on the van braces and the jet packs and all that, that
came later. So the mythus, or as a ridden
Beast was even more formidable back then, because, well, no one
was flying around. Like I'm a big lumbering Beast
is in his intimidating when you can jetpack out of the way, but
they didn't have that at least not their individual words, they
certainly had flight because, you know, spaceflight existed,
but the average Mandalorian warrior was nothing like what
they were back then. now, about 1,000 years later, they did
start to Do that they started to fly around and add onto their
kit and their armor. We'll get to that a little bit
later that will be very long from now given the rate we're
going through, the timeline early mandalorians did have the
trade heart rate, her trademark helmet though.
The one that we all associate with mandalorians, if you ever
seen Boba Fett is one of the first thing you notice about
him. He's shirt right now.
Yeah, on my shirt right now it's called a macro binocular,
viewplate Rich even want a Star Wars fan.
Probably didn't know and that's a fitting name and it's fitting
in general because it's so recognizable and cool.
It's also fitting because it's a helmet and it would be
uncomfortable. If it didn't fit properly, they
wear them a lot. You really want your helmet to
fit properly when you have it on that much.
Mmm. After subduing the entire
planet, he said about conquering other worlds, something not very
comparable to Westeros. Although you can consider
continents kind of like other worlds and He was largely
successful at this. Now we're not.
So sure he or his Brethren actually like brought mytha
sores with them while conquering other planets.
It's a bit much to put on a ship but who knows.
I mean it's it's not that crazy. I mean technology exists to do
that and the golden company does bring elephants with them on
ships and those are made of wood, not durasteel or whatever
Star Wars ships are made from, not to mention dany's, dragons
have been on ships not when they were particularly large, but
still, if you can put a dragon on a ship of would you might be
able to put amethyst or on some giant spaceship?
Let's keep our minds open here. I'm picturing Anna, Hans?
The kind of creatures that he was transporting and then the
ship yesterday. Do haul.
Some dangerous animals, don't they?
Yeah, they were hauling some very dangerous, big animals.
So, yeah, those things have to move somehow, right.
So, but they're now, do they do they have to move Planet
somehow? I guess don't know if they
really need. I'll have to it all happen.
We just want them to so, but here's a, here's a conundrum,
though, there's exceptions, but in the Star Wars Universe
humans. Don't Really live all that much
longer than they do in the real world.
In Westeros, they live a little bit less because you know, they
don't have understanding of bacteria.
You know, basic lot of basic health stuff which they do in
Star Wars but still. So how does Mandalore the great?
How did this guy live? So long right?
This is he conquered his own Planet, then moved on to conquer
other plans. Like this is, it sounds like a
long period of time, doesn't it? So it brings us to yet another
parallel here. First of all, is that That
Mandalore, the great may not have been human, that was likely
the case for the pre Disney version of this character, but
it remains unclarified in the new Disney Cannon.
Now, for those who don't know, lots of stories were written in
the Star Wars Universe before, Disney bought it from George
Lucas and there wasn't any management of that.
So there's all sorts of overlap and inconsistencies, so Disney
kind of cancelled it all and is reusing some of it making sense
out of some of it. So some of the stuff, there's
two versions of some of these stories I'm using.
The current Disney cannon that's been clarified.
So just just so you know. So the other possibility though
is that Mandalore the great is like a gray, King Garth
greenhand. Brandon the Builder Bloodstone,
Emperor type figure, one, whose Deeds, don't really seem to fit
within one lifetime, which either means there was something
extending their life in the Song of Ice and Fire setting or as
with a lot of these Age of Heroes figure.
We, we theorize that maybe there's multiple people.
Well that held this title or so ascribed.
These deeds in part to make them sound more fancy and epic
overtime. So quite possibly mental or the
great is multiple people, it just fit kept taking on that
title Mandalore, the great, because a candle or Mendel.
That's the mental, it's easy to see how this could get confused.
Given, how the planets called Mandalore, the title is
Mandalore, and the guy is named Mandalore, the grade like maybe
mix it up a little. But hey, we're used to that were
Song of Ice and Fire fans. This is just like a dude is just
like another egg on, right? For a Darren or brandan Wright.
This we're used to people with the same name as we'll see later
though. There are good.
Reasons why even in a setting like this with technology and
all, there's no records to disprove or verify these myths.
And as long as I can fire, you can easily see why these things
aren't kept track of. It's a little harder to see that
and Star Wars setting. But again, as I said, it will
become clear and it will to make Sense, as we move forward, the
next notable historical marker. In Mandalorian history, is their
Wars against the Jedi, which came as a result of the semi
Relentless warring under Mandalore, the great and his
successors, or if it was still him, you know, I should call him
Brandel or the great if we're going to find him.
Brandon the Builder. Yeah.
Brandel or? Yes, yes.
Now, I say worrying. And not Conquest because they
didn't always care about that part.
They did conquer. Or the space near them.
But the farther out they went kind of like valyria the less
incentive there was to control it and more insensitive was just
to take slaves or wealth or just to fight in the case of
mandalorians it was more just for fighting or for honor's
sake. It one point in their early
history, a new group of mandalorians emerged who wore an
early version of that famous helmet over robes and
rudimentary armor. They were called Mandalorian
Crusaders and it's exactly what it sounds like they went out and
just started fights and attack people that didn't follow their
values, kind of kind of crappy really.
Just picking fights just because people were weak and they're
like well you're too weak. So we got to destroy you because
you're weak, you offend us with your weakness?
Yeah. Pretty Valerian, honestly.
A different attitude, different reason why they would pick on
people, but just starting fights, and subjugating lesser
beings pretty similar. The Mandalorian Crusaders, not
only did they, I said swords and armor now.
Yeah, these are technological things though, these were
Electro swords. Many of them rode semi-sentient
basilisk droids in to combat. These are this is like a war
horse but that can fire missiles and lasers and stuff.
So you know some of them even had Lance's though so they were
true. They're really trying to be like
What we think of as nights but in space.
All right, space nights. So and of course the variety of
armors going to be pretty spectacular.
So dontos would love the heraldry and so would we if we
got to see it. So all sorts of different armors
and colors and sigils, it would be very familiar.
I think a lot of people, he could probably compare it a lot
to. I don't like a Warhammer 40K
setting where you see like just large painted or weld customized
armies of but of mandalorians instead early version
mandalorians and this institution and Barely lasted
for Millennia, unlike say the real-world version or
equivalencies in Westeros and essos of like the the faith of
the seven or The Warriors Sons, things like that.
The Mandalorian Jedi Wars, our next mini subject here.
It was on one of these many men DeLorean Crusades that they
devastated. The world of Duryea, the
Homeworld of a race that established one of the earliest
trade empires in the Star Wars Galaxy.
So this is still a long time ago.
Probably 9000 is years ago, they saw the of dorian's as cowards,
which meant they had to be attacked think of the free
cities, very murky. Aunt, I'll think of how the
Dothraki look on such people as cowardly.
But unlike the Dothraki, the mandalorians actually attack
these guys, because the dracky need free cities to sell their
slaves to and things like that. The mandalorians don't think of
it that way. They're just like, we're not
into this, we're not into in this for money or loot, but it's
a similar level of contempt for people who trade and live that
lifestyle, rather than live the life of a warrior.
So, yeah. Early.
Mandalorians are seeming more Dothraki than Valyrian, but
we're getting there were getting there.
It's going to change over time. So, it was during this
particular Crusade as I understand it that they first
encountered the Jedi who had been around, at least 15,000
years by this point, to the Jedi, were not new on the scene,
and had mastered use of the force, you know, well before.
So, It's if you don't know what the Jedi are, I assume most of
you do, but they're basically monk Mystics with effectively
magical powers. There were actually many, many
wars, between them spanning thousands of years, this period,
perhaps aligns best with the eons long Wars between the first
men and the children of the forest or the ensuing Wars
between the first men. And the Andals, those conflicts
also took place over thousands of years in parently, so it's a
great parallel. It's fitting for this comparison
to that most Jedi aim to be. What's the levels you start as
an initiate. You start going to go to
Padawan, which is kind of like a squire, an initiates kind of
like a page, the lowest level and then you become a knight
Jedi, Knight or a regular line. So there's three levels there
and then above that, you have Jedi Master, which the equipment
be like landed night which are called masters of certain
castles. Like if you're a land at night
and you rule a castle, your master that castle not Lord of
that castle. So, that's a distinction that
some of y'all may not have ever caught before.
So it's kind of like squiring from a great height, being a
squire, from a great house would be like the equivalent of a
Padawan I suppose. So another thing about Jedi yes
it's the force is basically magic with a rudimentary
scientific explanation but basically magic especially from
the perspective of the mandalorians we're looking at it
from their perspective they know very little about the force and
they got dudes or waving their hands and moving objects
telekinesis and mind control that looks like magic, right?
They say the force is part of every living thing. which is not
too unlike what they say about the old gods, here's a little
quote, the gods are all around us in the rocks and streams in
the birds and beasts. Yes, that's exactly what to say
about the force. It's in everything.
If the force is new to you, there's nothing wrong with that,
but there was a lot wrong with that, for the ancient
mandalorians because they didn't know what they were getting
into, but their code of honor demanded that they fight like
everyone. I guess, anyone worthy.
And even those unworthy because they were obviously picking on
those, they called cowers. Really, that just fighting
everyone. So, despite the Jedis great
Advantage, the Mandalorian just had to fight them.
Even though they kept losing, they just had to keep trying.
It was that was their honor, demanded it and well, it didn't
go so well. They weren't a creative or
imaginative people. You could say, given the naming
schemes but when motivated, they certainly could be inventive.
They're normally uninspired technological advancement kicked
into high gear because they finally had a new reason to do
so they finally ran into a photo they couldn't beat.
Rather than not fighting them, which is what a lot of, which is
what a logical conclusion. A lot of people would have come
to, they just said, well how can we beat them?
What do we need to do to defeat the Jedi?
So they didn't have to adapt until they had to and then they
did and they went big on those adaptations when they got there.
These losses spurred a phase of technological development never
seen before. And of course it was geared
toward defeating the Jedi who to them again, seemed like Wizards
now. Here's a quote from Maria and
fat Tom to describe that General attitude.
What if a wizard was sent to kill him?
Well, as to, that Desmond replied drawing his longsword
Wizards die, the same as other men.
Once you cut their heads off, And as we said, Mandalorian
Crusaders, and modern mandalorians sometimes fight
with swords or sword equivalents in addition to Blasters and all
the expected higher Tech weaponry and the setting.
But the warrior culture, still values close combat, most of
all. It's, there's more honor and
beating a photo up close than shooting them.
They don't shun long-distance combat.
They just see more honor in close combat just like nights do
nights mostly fight up close. They leave the archery to
others. As for the most part, but they
don't shun it, right? There's lots of knights who were
experts with the bow. Brendan Blackfish, current
kingsguard bail on Swan was the last Challenger.
Dang God Archer. He was like second place in the
hands tournament. The problem was that despite
this the Jedi as well as having the so-called wizard Powers AKA
Attunement to the force. We're still better at cutting
off heads than mandalorians were, this was in part due to
their lightsabers. Our swords of plasma that can
cut through almost anything again.
We're dealing with an easy parallel here.
Fire swords are not unfamiliar and A Song of Ice and Fire lore.
Hello lightbringer. Hello, Wildfire swords.
Hello swords of flame, lit by rail, or, and of course,
Valyrian, steel can cut through. Almost anything to like a
lightsaber, familiar elements everywhere.
Let's get something even more familiar, though.
The Mandalorian armor, so most of these technological
advancements. Spurred on by their conflicts
with the Jedi were geared towards upgrading the famous and
feared, and very identifiable, Mandalorian armor, the helmet
expanded to become a full kit, not just a helmet, a full suit,
not unlike a night of Westeros or, you know, other non nightly,
armored Warriors of Westeros and essos.
They like other, their nights aren't the only ones who wear
lots of armor but you know, some don't like the Dothraki.
The first suit of Mandalorian armor.
The vast majority of us ever saw was Boba Fett in The Empire
Strikes Back and that one appearance of that one character
and his subsequent appearance in the next movie and a bajillion
comics and video games. Well, people just thought he was
so cool. I mean, He's kind of like the
Red Viper in a sense because he had very little screen time, but
he became such an enormously popular character and it was
mostly based on his look and Boba Fett sparked.
The Red Viper had lots of dialogue in lines.
He was a little more deeply involved for that short period.
Until his role was expanded and for Boba Fett.
Is it first? It was just based on his look,
you'd like a couple of lines, his role wasn't large at all.
But, you know, A Song of Ice and Fire is familiar with the
concept of falling for a character based on very little
screen time. The Red Viper, isn't nearly the
only example. There's lots of characters we
love that have barely been seen. Yeah, that's that's what comes
with being really deep in a fandom, right?
So, this brings us back to another comparison.
Something we pointed out in our episode.
I think it was our Our episode on the children, the forest when
we brought up George r.r. Martin, short story and seven
times never kill man. Because here's a photo Ash and I
went to a Star Wars exhibit, here in Georgia here, near
Atlanta, where it had a, it's the largest private collection
of Star Wars figurines. And for example, here is the
Ralph McQuarrie design of Boba Fett.
This was the original design for Boba Fett, which eventually
became more of The Stormtrooper version now.
Ralph McQuarrie, if you recall, his original design for the
Jane, she was borrowed for Chewbacca or looked like
Chewbacca and got borrowed for that.
So, it was being drawn for George and ended up being used
in Star Wars and Ralph. McQuarrie also was involved in
the design of the first Stormtrooper.
As you can see, very similar to the Boba Fett thing here with
sword and shield. So even the early Storm Troopers
Yes, we're going to fight with swords and shields.
They were eventually. They were all going to have
lightsabers but eventually George Lucas decided that those
would be only amongst the there's would be use a lot less
lightsabers would be a rare weapon rather than a common one.
Each Mandalorian warrior has options for what to equip on
their vambrace. Has a variety of projectiles
that pierce poison paralyzed, or pulverise ropes for action
figures, exactly. I'm an option picture add right
now. Yes.
Yeah, ropes, that grapple blades Shield even flamethrowers.
Imagine the expansion pack today.
Might expect imagine that with Wildfire, right?
Get a green fire from Wildfire expansion available.
Only in your local Target. Not Walmart.
I said, mister mister calling as a toy marketer here, you're good
at this. Look at this natural ability.
Now, of course, of course, these things were designed to surprise
the Jedi to give them now with new surprises.
Now, of course, it's best to take a Jedi by surprise and
nullify them before they can even break out their lightsaber.
But but if you can't do that, it's not always going to work
out so well, Jedi aren't the easiest to sneak up on.
The mandalorians discovered and made use of an extremely potent
metal, which they call Bhaskar new Beth's car.
You best our armours and happy and best gar.
Yes. If you're thinking of Valyrian
steel here, you should be and a nickname for best car in the
Star Wars. Universe is scar that scar.
Yeah. Best best car.
Mandalorian steel is what a lot of non mandalorians College.
So there you go. The time that the parallel gets
even tighter. Best car is light and extremely
durable stays crispy and milk. Now, I'm picturing there's like
a specific episode of Futurama where they do Saturday morning,
fun pit. You know, they show all the old
like the ant like little animated children's cartoons,
you know, and they do one, that's basically just like a
very, like a modern children's show.
We're like fry comes in is the Orange character and then it
cuts to Commercial and it's like, now, with with new orange
pops, real orange. And then like, every time they
introduced a new character into the cartoon, it cuts to
commercial, it's just an ad for that.
That's what I'm chance. There would be lots of ads in
this one, then if we were doing that.
But pattern, so Bhaskar can easily repel a blaster shots and
can actually repel lightsabers to a certain degree.
It can light saber, like held up to best car, will heat it.
And A little glow, but it won't be enough to like melt it.
Maybe like a direct piercing strike can get through, but it's
close. It's the only metal known to the
Star Wars universe. That can do that though.
They can, they can handle a lightsaber now.
We're not actually sure the full extent of the powers of Valyrian
steel armor, and A Song of Ice and Fire, though, we do know a
suit exist and we're eager to see what it does.
So one feature of your on suit though is it is covered in runes
and sigils and stuff which again You see that on Mandalorian
armor to not Valerian sigils and runes, but you see customizing
and heraldry and sigils and maybe like markers of things
they've done, you know, like achievements things like that.
There's obvious similarities to a night skit starting with the
helmet, as always. I mean, we see a variety of
helmet shapes in A Song of Ice and Fire and medieval world's
men aren't helmets are a little more similar to each other.
They have that. Identifiable faceplate but
beyond that things change. Now one big difference is there
is a religious taboo which we're talking about an entire culture.
So not everyone adheres to this taboo as thoroughly as others.
Some perhaps not at all, but the taboo is on best car weapons.
Since best gar. Weapons can Pierce best, gar
steel, best car armor. Rather it's considered wrong.
They shouldn't exist. At one point.
If you've seen the Mandalore and you saw, there was a best car
spear made by non-members. Deloreans and when the men
learns got a hold of it, they melted it down and turned it
into armor. Now, there's a little bit of a
gray area here. Just like there are with a lot
of tools that are used in a medieval or pre medieval society
that can double as Weapons. This beer is meant to hunt
animals, not people, but it certainly works against people.
Same thing with hammers and axes hammers are meant for hammering
objects, not people but they work on people and axes are
meant for trees but they were coming from Words as we've said,
many times are a symbol of violence against humans, because
that's the only thing they're good for.
Even a knife has other uses a sword as sword used as a dinner
Implement is that's really not a good choice.
It's unwieldy and maybe even a little dangerous, just not not
efficient at all. So in this case, Mandalorian
weapons are there's a little bit of gray area as well.
Because hammers are okay, hammers can be used as Weapons.
We see a particular ER, Mandalore in the armor or using
her weapon, her Hammer as a weapon, but it's all.
It's meant to be more as well as a forging hammer.
And, of course, other adornments colors, men, some men DeLorean
armors shiny like metal. But you see all sorts of colors
painted onto it red, just greens, yellows, Blues,
whatever. And sometimes, these colors are
meant to denote allegiance to a certain cause or subgroup also
like you would see in Westeros. Let's talk about the minds of
Mandalore, the mines are a sacred Place filled with an
installation called the Great Forge, and many lesser forages
around it, all capable of making, and remaking.
Best car. In some ways, it's more like the
mines of Moria from Lord of the Rings.
And something from A Song of Ice and Fire right down to a huge
ancient Beast, lurking in the depths, right?
The balrog in the case of Lord of the Rings versus the Memphis,
or know who would win in that fight that are adverse the
missis, or I that's like Like a Godzilla kind of battle right
there. This is of course, comparable to
the minds of, not just valyria, but yeah, plenty of other
worlds. I mean fucking minds here.
Those exist all over the place and the real world to the mines
in current Star Wars timeline era seem to be mostly flooded.
But when they were active, they were probably a lot hotter or
maybe really hot Valeri of course their minds were super
super hot. It was a constant problem for
their slaves. Mining was a core activity of
their culture. Rather a core activity of their
slaves and of course, they were harvesting all sorts of raw,
materials and minerals from their volcanoes and nearby
mines, here's where I want to shout out, our friend McCall
shik, who did an episode on her YouTube channel, called Mendel
Orthodox, Jewish history and modern practice, in the
Mandalorian, she even got a shout-out from Ryan area of
screen crushed. So, congrats on that.
Because yes, the Mandalorian also borrows a good bit of
religious culture from Judaism, especially already Orthodox
Judaism, and write down to things, like the Living Waters,
which is a direct thing from Judaism.
It's also from a religion called Manda is MM, which in might
think as an even tighter parallel because of the name but
mentalism is barely understood or researched or explored by
westerners. Is actually a larger religion
than you might think, but Judaism is much bigger in the
west. So either way, check out man.
McCall's, YouTube stream on this, we put the link down in
the description, down its Link in the description.
Yeah, it's in the live stream chat.
Yes. So the myth is, or is apparently
capable of living deep within these Waters, or any Waters,
which greatly enhances the religious and cultural
significance of the mines themselves.
It's their trademark Beast. In their trademark Zone, the
minds are like super important to them in the Memphis or is
their Sigil of their entire culture.
So yeah and the very first missis or was supposedly tamed
by Mandalore the great in these very same mines.
Again, reminder of the fireworms, perhaps The Fourteen
Flames were destroyed during the Doom of valyria and likewise
during events will describe during the second half of this
episode. It appeared as if the mines,
along with much else was destroyed forever to that turned
out to be not so true, which also makes it an easy parallel
to the fate of the minds of the Freehold.
There's some suspicion that some parts of valyria aren't
uninhabitable after all. Or at least you can go there
temporarily, which is similar to the minds of Mandalore.
They were, it was a mistaken, belief people thought it was
destroyed, people thought it was Untouchable who thought it was
cursed. A variety of stories were told
about it and some of those rumors may have been started by
other people, to keep people away which is also theories we
have about valyria. Some people may not want the
exploration to happen because then they'll discover what's
really happening there or what's really available there or just
for whatever reason, they wanted to keep it secret.
So if you're on was telling the truth in part or in whole about
going to valyria the Peril, the peril.
Get even stronger. Regardless, the parallels don't
end there. Best car is not a metal, that
just comes out of the mines ready to go.
It requires a very special process to forge create and mold
properly. It's a secret guarded, by the
revered Mandalorian armor whirrs and passed down to a very few
select deemed capable and worthy.
Now, as far as we know, they don't that doesn't involve Human
Sacrifice but it's similar to the blur.
And steel in that it is a closely guarded secret,
something highly valuable, and it's been that way for eons.
Also, we have another irony here.
The mandalorians give this car a lot, more religious significance
than the valyrians give to their as we don't know that the
valyrians give it any religious significance.
They certainly valued it but not they weren't in awe of it.
I don't think not not in religious all anyway.
So it's kind of weird that in this space fantasy setting
again, like I said, this is another irony Mandalorian armor,
Czar of higher Social Status than most anything in their
culture. It's kind of odd to have a some
a futuristic setting where armorer's are so highly
regarded. Whereas that's not necessarily
the case in Westeros, some Smiths are very highly valued
but they're not they don't have really high social status unless
they're rich. It's the wealth that gives them
the social status. Not their job.
But no one knows how to make Valyrian steel anymore.
So that secret was lost and only the co horak know how to remake
it and they guard that secret really jealously as well.
So it's a similar enough thing. Even though the reasons they
guarded are for different reasons are for different
motivations rather. And another difference here is
Mandalorian armor, is as valuable as they are.
As far as we know, they still have to be Warriors, like that,
still comes first and the blood, Mages of valyria who made
Valyrian steel and oversaw, whatever sacrifices needed to
happen. Probably weren't worried
herself. They probably spent their time
with books and spells, and that's about it.
Now, the religious significance also has a big impact on how the
metal is treated out in the rest of the universe and the galaxies
because while we're not entirely, sure how Valerie is
saw their steel again. There's no indication that they
revered it like the mandalorians do.
The idea of Mandalorian selling Bhaskar is essentially unheard
of that would be like, Blasphemy almost in fact, many men,
Deloreans believe that all best car belongs to them to their
culture. Not them specifically, not
individuals, but if there's best car out in the world, it belongs
to mandalorians, no one else should be allowed to own it.
That's, that's how hardcore they are about it.
In some cases, Valerian, not so much.
They were willing to sell Valyrian steel, though.
They expected a lot for it. So westerosi houses, however, it
does bring up another parallel westerosi houses did not in
turn, sell their Valyrian steel once.
They acquired it, they clung to It, jealously stubbornly,
Whatever recall. How hard Tywin Lannister tried
to buy a Valyrian steel, blade from other houses only to be
rebuffed. Even by those houses who really
needed the money even by impoverished houses.
And again, we have to imagine as we usually do and ever tywin's
offering money. It's a lot right Tywin uses.
Wealth like a weapon, he's he doesn't stint.
He uses it intentionally, overwhelmingly to show.
How powerful he and his house are So Westeros irreverence and
attachment to their ancestral weapons is close to the
Mandalorian reverence for their armor, at least the steel or the
metal it's made out of. But also the actual suits of
armor that have been passed through generations.
So we have a little both there. Something else we see in the
song of ice and fire. Again, I'll I've mentioned this
already but a reminder, this is similar to like house Royce and
their armor, the bronze armor with runes on it or the original
sword ice before it was a Valyrian steel version.
Which that versions Only 400 years old, but the tradition of
the Starks, having a sword called ice goes, well beyond
that. Lots of crowns to that have
passed down over Generations. Not just the Targaryen ones, but
other ones but what happens when an item or any item passed down
through generations or more becomes associated with not just
family but ruling. Well this brings us to the first
parallel, I noticed The biggest one of all here in my opinion,
which led me to all the rest of these parallels.
It was the opening to The Rabbit Hole, a rabbit hole that I found
very deep. As you can see, it's a whole
episode, we'll get to that in the second half.
All right, friends, we have not a lot to say here at the
mid-roll. I'm going to get right back to
it quickly, but I did want to say a couple of things Mark
Stanley who played Gren on Game of Thrones was also one of the
Knights of Ren right in the force awakens and Rise of
Skywalker and the middle ones. Last Jedi, the one.
I like the most out of the way. I can't think of that one.
So he's the night of Gren clearly and our good friend
Rudy. What's up already?
Shouts out or the Mandalorian helmet is perfect dread pirate,
Roberts mask. Oh yes.
Actually, that's a great segue. Thanks Rudy, because Star Wars
does, what a lot of people think A Song of Ice and Fire does
which is secret identities. People who turn out to be
someone else to be fair. It makes sense in Star Wars
because there's lots of helmets and masks.
It's a part of the setting and make sense its technology, which
is what rude. He's saying.
Here, you can have the same person wearing the same helmet
across generations and you'd never know how many people it
was or if it was just one being because again in the Star Wars
universe, You can have beings who live longer than the human
span because they might not even be human.
So that's a great parallelism ancillary great was actually
three grow goo, go to Fanning on each other helmet on.
Well, he was the mantle of the really great then.
Yeah. Yeah, I feel great.
I don't know that the species name for Yoda species but I'm
like, well, grow Guru yoga to species.
I can't just say, yoda. These days group was also a Big
Field. Yeah.
Just the Yoda species. What we call that there's no
name for them to be positive. Yeah, that's why before side
baby Yoda, we don't know a name for this be part of how the Cami
and poor poor guy bottles, not even mention when I say that.
But, you know, they they're so secretive.
They don't even people who know the name of their species, but I
have one Look at that. So let's talk about the
darksaber as usual since we're dealing with large groups of
people and even as the Mandalorian Wars with the Jedi
raged on and off for yeon's, a child was born to house vizla
with notable natural ability in the force.
He was tarah vizla though. At the time, there was no House
of Isla. If you're guessing that he
formed it, you are correct. And if you're guessing that the
parallel, The darksaber is the sword.
Blackfyre you are also correct. Give yourself a double pat on
the back, if you did that. Why was tour of Isla the first
Mandalorian Jedi? Well, your guess is as good as
mine, or maybe even better or well, whatever.
You're welcome to guests to, I don't know how good your guess
is. I haven't heard it.
It's entirely pie mean. It doesn't really make sense
that in thousands of years. There have been no other
mandalorians with for sensitivity but it would make
sense that they wouldn't develop that and that the Mandalorian
families would be against that they would look at that as like
evil or some sort of the Jedi did this.
They planted this seed in your child and it's going to grow
into our enemy. So I imagine they looked down on
this when it happened. But tar vizla, perhaps was For
whatever reason. No one threw him to the Wolves
as a child or threw him off a rock or whatever Warrior
cultures societies do with unwanted children.
I don't know that the mandalorians actually do this in
fact Mendler in society is actually very friendly to
orphans. It's part of their cultural
belief that if you rescue a young child and you should
you're responsible for them. You don't.
Hey, how about that? You're not just responsible for
their birth. You responsible for taking care
of them afterwards. What a novel idea?
The so it's unknown, why? But you can see why mandalorians
didn't become Jedi or develop their Force Powers over time
because it was an enemy. This was what their enemies do.
You don't take on the beliefs of your enemies.
Now, eventually the overtime. So many thousands of years, this
loosened a little bit or maybe some sort of Culmination of
events happened that allowed our of Isla to not be noticed by the
powers that be in part, perhaps, because he wasn't born into a
Noble House, the fact that he was maybe a commoner may have
helped him Escape notice, but he was initially, but this didn't
happen as an adult for him. It was his family that gave him
to the Jedi because he was a child, he became an initiate
like a page. We did that comparison to
earlier in the episode and he did.
Well, he moved up to his Padawan, you know, Squire and he
then became a Jedi Knight eventually.
And this is far into the future from where we were at this point
in time. The Memphis or was believed to
be extinct. The skulls remained, the Sigil
of course remains, even now the symbol endured but kind of like
the post draconic era of the targaryens.
They started to think a little differently because the yes, the
old ways valuable but the old way included things that no
longer exists. So a little bit of change
filtered through nine thousand years.
After the formation of the Mandalorian civilization is when
this happens. So like I said way later, this
is less than 20 years before the Jedi Temple was built on
Coruscant and about 1,000 years before characters like mon
mothma Padme, Amidala Lor San tekka.
Eka even Babu Frick. All those characters were born
within a few years of each other, by the way, about half
the main characters from Rogue one as well.
Like, chronic and Bay's Malibu bays and cheer it, and all those
guys. And of course, Anakin Skywalker
another important character that universe.
So he did something that had grave impact on the future of
his people while being entirely normal for a Jedi initiate.
Young tar. Vizla did what?
tall Jedi, I'd young Jedi, do he made his own lightsaber, but
seemed it's a normal thing for a Jedi to do, but It turned out to
be not so normal. It was called the darksaber.
A lightsaber of literal, black fire ahem, right?
What would you call a lightsaber?
Which equivalent here? Lightsaber.
He just tell y IG HT. Yes.
It was a light saber. Yes, unlike other, lightsabers,
it had a more traditional sword hilt.
Like, actually like a modern sword hilt and shape while also
having Mandalorian stylization to it.
See what I mean? Look at that parallel, this As I
said is the thing. I first noticed that got me into
this Rabbit Hole Blackfire darksaber a sort of black fire.
Hello, it even has a hilt of Bhaskar so it even makes the
Valyrian steel comp, even tighter.
So we don't know that much about our business career.
Unfortunately, it wasn't very long though.
We do know he went back to Mandalore and formed house vizla
along with clams, Ren and Clan Saxon where he took the shriek
Hawk as the sigil for house visible.
By the way, the darksaber also emits a different kind of sound
than a typical lightsaber. And the sound is kind of like a
shriek Hawk. It's more of a streaky sound.
Think of him as you know, think of this guy a warrior culture
that doesn't back down against Jedi that has the powers and
armaments of a Jedi. So with all his advantages, he
was The Ultimate Warrior in a warrior culture.
Unlike his A Song of Ice and Fire, counterpart, Daemon
blackfyre, he actually succeeded and became Mandalore, whereas
Daemon blackfyre was shot with arrows.
I guess, the equivalent here would have been shot by blasters
or Poison darts or something to me, man to dead Amanda.
That's right. Manda not living anymore.
Yes. So we're not sure by how he
died, probably fighting because, you know, live by the sword die
by the sword. He was dead by the time of the
fall of the Old Republic, which came only about 18 years after
he made the darksaber. So Old Republic, quick side
history here. You've heard of Public probably
in Star Wars. It's the thing that has just
Fallen at the beginning of a new hope.
The first movie that the emperor has just turned it into an
Empire. The rebels are trying to turn it
back into a republic. Well the Old Republic was a
thousand years basically before the Republic you see at the
beginning of the movies and in between the two there's the high
Republic which is just the peak of the Republic, right?
And that's only a few hundred years before the first movies
you like Yoda is alive and on the Jedi Council.
Ansel and the high count and the high Republic era.
Yeah. And we're going to see a TV show
called The acolyte that set in that area.
There's a lot of great books, set their highly recommend the
light of the Jedi, is the first book in that series that I
really, really recommend she and I both loved it and that Clyde
is indeed Star Wars show. I'm most looking forward to.
Yeah. It's going to focus on Sith
stuff, so, yeah, anyway, we know all this because after his
death, the Jedi Order somehow, got ahold of his darksaber
either, they either he wasn't killed on.
And Allure, he died somewhere else.
Somehow they got the darksaber not other mandalorians and
placed it in the just mentioned, Jedi Temple on Coruscant, that
was built atop of a Sith Enclave that kind of has like a hinge of
power because it's still emitted like dark power Dark Energy.
The statue of tar of Isla is was placed, he it's the dark side
was like, placed near him or whatever. / and this statue is
still standing a thousand years later.
So probably because the Old Republic was collapsing, this
probably enabled. What happened next which which
was that house vizla? Took advantage of the chaos and
sacked. The Jedi Temple stealing the
darksaber back for their house and then used it to try to
conquer Mandalore, they tried to use black fire.
Early use darksaber like the aegon's.
The six faction Coddington faction is using black fire to
probably using black wire to help use it as a symbol of power
and restore their faction to Greatness.
So tired of Islam was revered by his house because of His great
warrior abilities and because he was different and capable and
well, he evoked a lot of the warrior ethos that make
mandalorians proud of their people.
The things that they ask that they want to be that they have
ambition to become So tar visit had not only made house visible,
he made them a royal house and from then on the symbol of that
power was the darksaber to some in especially those of house
vizla. The wielder of the darksaber.
Was the true heir to Mandalore, which isn't really how their
system worked, was it right there system was the best
warrior or best fighter should be Mandalore.
And it also Bears, mentioning that there isn't always a
Mandalore different times in Mandalorian history.
There's just been a bunch of ruling houses that are have
uneasy pieces or our Wars with each other.
And there is no one above everyone, think of it like a
king-beyond-the-wall. There's lots of Clans tribes
Beyond the Wall, sometimes a figure emerges, to unite them
all, like a Mance rayder there isn't always a Mance rayder
though. The sometimes there's just no
one like that. Occasionally, there's 50 to 100
years between Kings be Kings Beyond the Wall like that.
So think of it like that. It works sometimes sometimes it
didn't their intent was to unite not just Mandalore but house
vizla and from there once uniting their house, they could
go on to greater things, but the sword was how they wanted to do
this. Not by the former means of
taking power. So not everyone was on board
with this bringing us to a state of affairs.
We found during the original blackfyre rebellion in Westeros,
where some people thought, Aegon the Unworthy giving the sort of
Daemon blackfyre meant he was the man to rule but not everyone
agreed with that. So you have Believers verse
non-believers and eventually it comes to a head and goes to war
not unlike some of the things that were about to describe for
the mandalorians, the house in their way was house, Crees who
were the royal family of the era in which our next milestone One
occurs a familiar name, actually, this isn't what they
call it. It's the Doom of Mandalore, they
call it. The Mandalorian cataclysm, but
the Doom of valyria was a cataclysm.
So I'm taking a little liberty and calling it.
The Doom of Mandalore. They were unable to learn from
their past shockingly enough just like Westeros cousin
learned from the it's past. It just continues to fight and
fight and fight and have squabbles over the same things.
The mandalorians is kept fighting the Jedi, just kept
going, couldn't stop themselves, just couldn't back down.
Thousands of years are passing by while all this is going, they
turn their society. Becomes more and more geared
towards war and towards beating this unbeatable foe, more and
more of the surface of Mandalore is turned into Mining and
Industrial things that aren't good for human civilization, or
for animals or trees or any of that strip mining.
Lots of that they expanded this to the Moon Concordia, this
Mandalore has two moons and Concordia also has best
Carmine's and it had trees and stuff.
So it was like a good place to Actually live was habitable but
they started to ruin it with their War Machine, just overall
more and more of their culture became part of this war machine.
Dedicated to defeating a photo that kind of wasn't beatable,
think of the Endless attempts by the Blackfriars to beat the
targaryens. When really, I wouldn't say they
were in beatable because the Blackfriars got close a couple
times, but some of the times it wasn't particularly close at.
All right. The second blackfyre rebellion
and wasn't even really call Dad. Rebellion the fourth they barely
got past Landing, right? So you can see how there's some
similarities here in terms of the helplessness of there, cause
that they just would not give up.
At some point though the Jedi perhaps tired of the Endless
Wars perhaps wondering if it's ever going to end perhaps
thinking ahead also because the Jedi were dealing with a bigger
enemy. Mandalorians were a fierce foe
despite the Jedis Advantage but the Jedi started having back and
forth Wars with the Sith. The Sith are.
If you're not super familiar with Star Wars is that they're
basically the bad guy Jedi's. They have Force Powers as well.
But these Force Powers manifest differently because there's
different emotions in play as one of the things I really like
about Star Wars is how remote your emotional state determines,
what you can do, it's like George.
Lucas took the worst things about humans that enable them to
rise to power in government and in the world and says, no, it's
not there, it's not there. Skill that enables them to rise
this. Hi, it's their attempt for
humans. It's their anger, it's their
rage. It's their ability to not have a
conscious. That's how certain people rise
to power in our world today and George.
Lucas wanted to shine a light on that is a, yeah, he inverted.
The power structure to show what's behind it, all yet.
This is evil emotions, right? I really think it's cool.
Now, the Jedi, perhaps because they were dealing with the Sith
were like, well, we got to deal with these mandalorians once and
for all because we've got a photo that is capable of beating
us. We can't be fighting them both
at the same time. I'm just guessing I don't
actually know what happens. No one does but some big battle
happened on Mandalore itself between the Jedi and the
Defenders, and it caused some kind of not entirely understood
cataclysm to take place. Kind of like the Doom of
valyria, we're not entirely, sure what happened.
We know the result of volcanoes blew up and it took out the
whole And basically, here it was similar.
The planet didn't become uninhabitable but much of it did
much of the planet became a lifeless, white desert thing
kind of like a combo of the disputed lands, with the Doom of
valyria. So something in between that
Dome cities, had to be built, they couldn't breathe air as
much anymore. By the way, side note, even a
lot of Star Wars fans won't know this one.
George Lucas originally planned a much larger Doom for Mandalore
the Death Star, which destroyed Alderaan, you know, Princess
Leia's home richly. His plan was for it to destroy
Mandalore, instead of Alderaan. He changed his mind on that, it
would make sense to take out this Warrior culture to, you
know, as a statement to, for to the Galaxy to be like, look,
we're destroying this people, the greatest warriors of the
Galaxy. That's how I people would see it
with. Just one are super weapon and
that will boy, does that make a statement?
Still made a big statement, destroying Alderaan and it had
the stakes for Princess. Leia are much higher that way.
Either way, after this cataclysm magic, sleigh, it was raised
with Mandalorian. Whoa, we both see ya Florian.
Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Mandala she would be called, hmm
and what her brother also, Amanda Luke and Mandalay are you
and me right now? He wouldn't be, he's too cool.
He's got a different path. So Mandalore was literally
incapable of mounting a threat anymore.
They were just too weak at the after that, they weren't a
galactic threat anymore. Almost like how valyria Was no
longer a threat to anyone. They stop being a big player.
I'm on the world scale. It seems that there was no one
with the title Mandalore during the candle cataclysm.
It was one of those times where variety of Warlords had taken
power, which may be why things got so out of hand, which would
be why maybe the Jedi didn't think there was any negotiation,
that could be done, because there was no singular ruler to
negotiate with the other Warlords.
Wouldn't respect any sort of pact with with the Jedi because
they're not United with each other.
Let alone With their enemies. We prayer, pretty sure how
screes may have was take. It was in control after this, or
regain control after losing it to these various Warlords.
And this is an important point, because we're talking about
symbols of legit, is legitimacy going forward.
And further Civil War. Yes, further Civil War among the
mandalorians. Well, it's really not.
That surprising is it. Westeros is always just a drop
of a hat away from Civil War itself.
Right. And there's been so many civil
wars fought across the entire continent or just within certain
regions. Sometimes the reach is gone to
war against itself with civil conflict.
So, of most of the other regions, right?
Probably all of them actually, but lo and behold after so much
war after so much destruction, especially on their home.
Planet being confronted with a directly mental or in society.
Finally, fractured a bit in a peace movement, arose.
Of the most prominent of the new Dome cities was the host of this
movement as city called Sun Dari.
Not to be confused with sunspear ha but of course, plenty of
Hardcore. Traditionalist did not want
peace at all. They were still stuck in their
old ways. It's also sort of goes against
their rule, by the strongest Vibe.
How do you choose a ruler of monks, the strongest when you're
all pacifists, right? It doesn't really fit.
This is very much, the competing ideals of daeron the good versus
Daemon blackfyre. 'S faction Progressive piece
versus the old way and good. Except the old way, could also
be applied to thinking the ironborn.
Who literally use that phrase. Asha was trying to get them to
move. Along a bit.
Say look, we keep losing. Why do we keep losing?
Why do we keep trying the same thing over and over?
That doesn't work. Let's do something different and
they're like, ah, shut up Asha. We're gonna keep losing.
Thus, this split happened amongst the mandalorians, the
great Clan Wars came about. About and the people were
divided into two simple categories, new and old
mandalorians house. Crees led the new pacifistic
mandalorians but they weren't fully pacifistic because they
had to fight the old mandalorians in some cases.
Most of the old man, learns didn't fight their fellows.
They still a lot of Mandalorian, still thought it taboo to fight
amongst themselves or found it distasteful.
So some of them just went off to become sellswords, well, sell
blasters, sell jet packs, I don't know.
But think of exactly what happened to the people on the
losing side of the blackfyre blowing.
A lot of them went off to become sellswords until being formed
into one particular sellsword company, the golden company.
Now, Duke Adonai Crees led the new mandalorians at the outset
of the war which is why we think that his house was predominant
but he was killed in one of the first battles may have been the
first battle. And his daughter Duchess Satine
takes over. She's very much, a dare on The
Good, Very pacifistic, and very Progressive and very determined
and hated by the people that wanted to keep the old ways,
hated by the equivalence of the black fires, which are the old
mandalorians, and some factions that emerged from that, which
we'll get to The Mandalorian protectors, the kingsguard
equivalent were on her side, at least for a while and the Jedi
came to help because they joined the Republic as a week, former
power. They were no longer well
equipped to be neutral. So they joined the Republic,
which again was also wasn't very popular amongst a lot of
Mandalorian hardliners and old-school thinkers.
One of predictably, her opponents was house vizla who
with the darksaber led the Rebellion against this new way,
probably as their leaders though?
It's not entirely clear. They lose though, just like the
Blackfriars. Lost the house.
Visible lost this challenge to house, Crees And the Victory is
complete, at least temporarily and the old mandalorians who
hadn't already fled and went elsewhere and become sellswords.
What happened were exiled to the Moon of Concordia, sort of, like
being exiled to essos, right? So a lot of the old men learns
did nothing at first but some of them eventually started to get
back into the swing of things and start to become ambitious
again, further angered by the peace movement.
Further upset by the what they saw is abandoning what made
their people great in the first place.
Some of them formed the group Death watch.
Now, this came after a lot of folks, back on Mandalore thought
they had died out, kind of like thinking, John Connie.
Then it died out thinking all these Exiles were gone.
Oops, not so true. But another parallel, here's a
quote. We are the Death Watch,
descendants of the true warrior Faith.
All mandalorians. Once knew now, my people are
living in Exile because we will not abandon Our Heritage.
Our people were warriors, strong feared.
This is pre Vizsla speaking, and I can just hear these words
coming from bitter steals mouth. Instead of we are Death, Watch,
we are the golden company descendants of the true warrior
Faith or you. Talking about black fires and
this and that talking about Exile, talking about not
abandoning Our Heritage because that's what they want.
They want to reclaim the throne and they're lost lands.
They want their Heritage back. Such golden company.
But even, there's even a group of one of the groups of the of
the Mandalorian protectors like the kingsguard equivalent.
They were so low for a while and they even took skulls on right
and death. Watch versus the golden company
skulls. I mean Hello, very similar Vibes
also think of Sir Eustace here, think of you Justus just
lamenting the loss of warrior culture, you know, old sad man
talking to Duncan egg. This is this is the same Vibes
right here, as well as the following blackfyre Rebellion.
They kept trying and kept failing.
So previz, Le plots to overthrow house, Kris, he rises to become
governor of Concordia and claims to be helping root out.
Deathwatch, he's like, I'm going to help root out these
terrorists because Death Watch be, basically became a terrorist
group and he's joined in this covert doubled, two-faced
operation by none other than Satine, kryze has sister, Boca
tan XI. Oh yeah, yeah yes, yes Duchess
Satine yes. Duchess Satine.
I mean, yeah. And the Jon connington Vibes a
really strong with pre Vizsla to.
Because in order to achieve his goals previz Le allies himself
with Death Watch. Meaning you like the golden
company and with some people who he probably shouldn't just like
Jon connington, probably shouldn't be trusting Varys and
illyrio pre Vizsla shouldn't be trusting the people that he's
about to trust because when powerful houses or factions hate
each other, there's always some little finger, some virus who's
out there capable of using that as leverage of taking your hate
and and manipulating it into his own benefit.
Enter the Clone Wars, the Clone Wars were much larger conflict
between two elements of the Republic that split, there's the
separatists and the Republic. Now this eventually is going to
become the Empire of course. But this is before that, this
was part of Palpatine's plan to split the Republican to and use
the emergency to seize power Etc.
He manipulates Count Dooku, who in turn manipulates previz, Le
to help overthrow Duchess Satine both were using the other.
It's like a chain of people using other people Palpatine's
using Dooku has no intent of giving him anything in the We're
Dooku is using Bissell. Has no intent of giving him
anything in the long run. Meanwhile, vizla is using
Duchess Satine. Plant a stating, he's helping
her while, actually working directly against her.
He is the, he's the, he's the harpy, he's the harpy behind
the, the terrorist acts here. So the plan was to get an
occupation of Mandalore by incriminating Satine The
Duchess, they're going to try to plot to make it look like she's
helping the separatists, meaning, the Republic will, then
look at Mandalore who was just join their public as a problem
and thus, not help them and incriminate them in these
issues. By the way, dinge aren, the main
character of the Mandalorian was rescued by Death Watch from
separatist forces. That's what happened.
When he was an orphan, which I don't think any Star Wars
channel is pointed this out. Death Watch was rescued dinge
are in from separatist forces. As I just explained, they were
working together. The Death Watch was actually on
the side of the separatists through Dooku and pre Vizsla,
but they were only acting like enemies.
So, didn't jar ins association with Death Watch.
Is built on a lie, they were actually.
The reason he was an orphan not the, as much as they were the
reason he was saved but that's a Side Story.
Just thought I'd be fun to point that out.
So eventually though, previously was exposed as the leader of
Death Watch and forced into further Exile, he wasn't
executed was allowed to live. And now we're post visit, we're
post vizla now Death, Watch began act.
Like what we see in Westeros. When like a sellsword company
becomes broken men, they even enslaved a village and forced
their women into unspeakable acts and did all sorts of evil
stuff. Then they teamed up with none
other than Darth Maul and his brother.
Who again we have two sides joining based on a common
grievance. Their grievance is against
Palpatine, who screwed them both.
Look how much Darth Maul looks like TV night King.
If you want another parallel night King is like if Darth Maul
was blue instead of black and red, right?
It's really simple with horns on his head, I mean Hello very
similar. Now, Darth Maul and his brother
were like crime Lords. They formed a bunch of crime
syndicates into one called The Shadow Collective and this was
going to be the backbone of the army to back deathwatch.
A lot like the ninepenny Kings. Darth Maul has a lot in common
with maelys. The Monstrous here, and another
Peril exists because one of the many criminal groups that made
up Shadow Collective, was The pyke Syndicate and yes.
Pike. Ike is spelled p YK e just like
the ironborn spike so they Unleashed and they're very good
at it because it's a criminal organization terrorism on the
Mandalorian people just like the sons of the harpy.
They targeted police officers, Secret Service, they targeted
officials of the new regime and made it like you need us.
The death won't stop until you accept us again.
Basically the murders. I won't stop until you marry his
daughters. Oh, Lorac is very much like
that. Death Watch, then swoops in and
rescues. The Mandalorian people from the
terrorists like I just said, didn't jar and thought he was
were being rescued. But in fact, it was actually a
setup. This is exactly virus Emily
Rios. Plan for egg on the sixth, he's
going to come in with all the trappings of Targaryen power
including black fire and probably aegon's Crown maybe
with a Dane at his side and acting like rhaegar's son.
He's gonna be the hero that rescues them the westerosi
People from the Dothraki or the Civil Wars, or whatever happens
to be the thing they need rescuing from, it's going to
look like a hero and that's going to be his leverage to
power. That's exactly what death watch
with the backing of Count Dooku and threw him Palpatine had
mine. However, the plan was foiled
initially and that's actually I'm getting a little confused
here that that plan was foiled. Before when pre visible was
defeated, the first time this time, they were a lot more
prepared and it works. Pretty visible, actually wins.
And is named Mandalore and is the king.
Who is bearing the sword at this point?
He's still got dark. The darksaber Duchess Satine is
imprisoned. And then, of course, because
these guys are all jerks previously immediately turns on
Darth Maul and has him imprisoned but Darth Maul, Is a
Sith Lord, he's got Force Powers, he's not so easy to
defeat. He's more like, tar of Isla.
Then pre Vizsla is even even though, previously, as a
descendant of tar, vizla, Darth Maul's got the force Powers.
He challenges pre Vizsla to single combat for leadership
again. This is shades of maelys.
The Monstrous, Who challenged his cousin Daemon blackfyre.
Damon the third or fourth. I'm not sure which Daemon
blackfyre. This was, but he killed Daemon
blackfyre for Worship of the golden company just as Darth
Maul beheads pre Vizsla and claims leadership of Mandalore
all the mandalorians because he's now the wielder of the
darksaber. Whoops.
Look what you've done mandalorians, you hoisted on
your own petard. You establish this sword as a
symbol of leadership and all of a sudden, a real bad guy comes
in someone worse than previz Allure comes in and It claims it
and says, hey, I'm King now. He doesn't use the word king of
course, same difference. And a lot of men to learns like.
Yep, that's how it works. He won the sword in single
combat. He even cut previz.
Liz head off with the darksaber, he disarmed him and then
executed him with his own sword just to emphasize his victory
and make a big statement Death Watch.
Most of Death Watch sticks with Darth Maul.
They put horns on their helmets to vike.
Real life Vikings didn't have horns on their helmets.
But these guys did and they took Took on Darth Maul's colors so
they look pretty Sinister. And Darth Maul's colors are red
and black y'all pretty familiar Targaryen Blackfire stuff.
Somewhere during the Clone Wars. By the way, as you saw in the
movies, if you saw the movies Mace Windu, that's Samuel.
L Jackson. Jedi kills, Jango Fett, who was
the Clone seed for all the Stormtrooper clones and that's
why Boba Fett hates Jedi as well because a Jedi killed his
father. So we see the Mandalorian Jedi
hatred in modern times as well. It's just a recurring thing.
Boca tan Crees remember, The teens sister who fought against
her is now having second thoughts.
She doesn't accept, Darth Maul's rule.
She's one of the first people to be like, oops, this was not what
we wanted. We didn't intend this at all.
We wanted to restore our old values.
This guy does not reflect our old values.
He kind of used a loophole a technicality to take power.
They liberate Satine from prison, and ask the Republic for
help, but Mandalore had become neutral during the Clone Wars
because because Of the events of this being blamed for separatist
helped and all that. And they didn't want to be
embroiled after having suffered so much destruction.
So, this kind of backfired a little because the Republic's
like, look, we can't help you. You guys went neutral on us but
because of personal friendships, Obi-Wan Kenobi comes to help.
He was actually maybe even in love with Duchess Satine.
Yeah, they're real ship together.
They are real ship but Mall foils this plot and azra.
Eng, he executes, Duchess Satine for them, making this attempt.
So think of Circe, executing missandei in Game of Thrones TV
show, kind of like that. There's probably another
equivalent in the books but I can't think of one off top my
head and mall is that at that point miles power rises even
higher? You may be wondering, like, what
is the timeline of this wasn't Darth Maul.
Already killed by Obi-Wan Kenobi.
At this point in the Star Wars timeline.
Yes. But if you saw saw the movie Han
Solo, you would know that Darth Maul survived being cut in half.
He has like spider legs. And, you know, Force powers are
part of how he stayed alive and his pure hatred kept him alive.
Just the anger of being defeated make kept him alive.
So he but he was kicked out of his mentorship of by Palpatine
Palpatine. Didn't want him anymore.
He had moved on to do couch. Who was also a Just a temporary
until Anakin but that's a whole nother story. so, Palpatine's.
Like, all right, you're still around mall.
I thought you were dead and I was done with you.
He didn't like the malls, gaining power again.
So he comes in by himself kills malls, brother, and defeat small
captures him. Tortures him puts him in prison
holds him there and I'm not entirely sure what he wanted to
get out of him by torturing him, but it's Emperor Palpatine.
He's an evil guy, may have just been something to do for fun.
Fun. Now, a Sith crushing a Sith in
this case because once it is just way more powerful than the
other, is kind of like, what we expect Danny to do to a
Targaryen without dragons, Targaryen with dragons, versus
are going without dragons. Like you kind of, don't think
it'll be much of a contest, but because Palpatine didn't kill,
Darth Maul, and kept him in prison and because Darth Maul
had so many hardcore, loyalists, who believed, because of
Mandalore Lori and values that he's their real leader.
He is the guy that won. So he's the wielder of the
darksaber US. He's our leader, that's how it
goes. They broke him out of prison.
I mean Palpatine's got a lot going on right?
He's got he's busy trying to start an Empire here.
And he returns to Mandalore reclaims.
Power starts to build back up. Again, Boca Tanning arrives with
help from the new Republic that has.
Since we defeated the separatists and the siege of
Mandalore happens, Darth Maul is captured again.
The siege of Mandalore led by Boca tan and the new Republic
elements and Bogut and is named. Regions, so she Rises to power
here. She's named Regent after the
separatists are defeated. But before Palpatine's master,
plan is complete of flipping the Republican to the Empire.
So while Boca Tanning is reagent for the new Republic.
She finds herself now region under Imperial occupation
because the power that was in charge flipped while she was in
this office She refuses to cooperate with the new Imperial
occupation there, like ordering her to round people up and send
them best. Guard is asking her, to have her
people do things that are very much against their virtues, what
but are very normal for the Imperials, the Imperials turn a
lot of Worlds into just mining operations, just part of the war
machine, which the mandalorians were kind of already used to,
but they had gotten sick of it, like our we've already turned
our world into a war machine, all these years and It's we kind
of had enough of that. Our planet certainly had enough
of that she's betrayed by one of the one of the people from her
own house or rather. Sorry from house vizla.
One of Mi, loyalist one of the people who broke him out of
prison, a guy named gar Saxon gar, Saxon, makes a deal with
the Empire, to overthrow Boca 10 and he's named Imperial Viceroy
and familiar title. The Emperor's hand Kind of like
end of the king. Obviously, he opens an Imperial
War Academy. They're, they're like, what
better place to open a war Academy?
Amongst a people that are known for their martial virtues?
However, another element within house vizla Clan.
Ren, comes to the fore member house.
Visible is made up of Clan, Ren, Clan, Saxon, and Clan Visual and
maybe other houses as well. Now Clan Ren at this point the
focal character is Sabine Wren not to be confused with Satine
creason. Be not Satine, Sabine grew up,
idolizing tar of Isla, she visited the statue when she was
young. Keep in mind, this wouldn't have
happened in Westeros because bloodraven saw the value of such
symbols and didn't allow them. Bloodraven wouldn't allow them
to even sing songs of the Blackfriars.
Certainly, no statues. Were there.
People made pilgrimages to the red grass field because that's
just a site. But bloodraven wasn't even too
big on allowing that Sabine read at first joins.
The new Empire, she's excited about it because the His
propaganda worked pretty well, they convinced a lot of people
that they were bringing order and Justice to the Galaxy.
Of course, that was nonsense. That was Bull.
The emperor was just lying and using propaganda, but a lot of
people fell for it, I mean, we're talking about an entire
galaxy here. Not everyone's privy to the
events happening elsewhere, it's pretty easy to control
information. Internet doesn't spend all these
planets their version of it anyway.
So Sabine starts off as it is like ambitious.
Wells. A very successful technology
person within the Empire. She develops helps develop a
super weapon that gets used against her own people and
that's what turns her back against it.
She's like, oh no. What have I done?
I helped build a super weapon that was used against my own
people so she joins the Rebellion which so like kind of
early on like right before a new hope, this is when she's she
joins and she read ons, her family's armor, her family's
Mandalorian armor which is 500 years old, by the way.
That's pretty cool. She is able to retrieve the
darksaber from Darth Maul's home World in a site.
Basically a side quest, she doesn't know what it is.
Its virtues know the whole story, but just so happens that
she's with someone named, Fenn Rau who was a Mandalorian
protector. Amanda Lala barristan.
You have a young person from a noble family, who doesn't know
everything about their family's history.
It gets them things wrong. That gets told The truth by an
elder kingsguard barristan here. We have a mandolin protector,
telling Sabine Wren, the full history of the darksaber.
And that inspires her, she reunites with her family gathers
support, they offer the darksaber to Boca tan and she
accepts it. This turns out to be a mistake
and, or backfires somewhat or Blackfriars because it does lead
to another civil war. But this time they were only
against each other but they're against the empire.
Because Clan Saxon has a deal with the Empire and even though
Clan Saxon is part of house vizla.
So there's a split amongst house vizla and a split amongst the
mandalorians and a split amongst the Empire as the Rebellion is
breaking out. So, Boca tan has a mutt enough
support, amongst the people. During these hard times to
become Mandalore, the visible is the rennes, the creases, the
Rooks, the elders, and Fenn Rau. The sole remaining protector
because during some events, the other protectors are killed.
So he's the only one left side. They all bend the knee to her as
Mandalore but because she didn't win the darksaber in combat, her
rule wasn't very strong. In particular, this view is held
by the children of the watch who are descendants of Death, Watch
Children of the watch, it kind of sounds a lot of Game of
Thrones terms in there. You got Children of the forest
and the Nights Watch kind of mashed into one there.
The children of the Watcher pretty hardcore, they bring back
a lot of old values. They believe that, even though
they don't believe the sword give someone the right to rule,
they don't believe that the darksaber gives makes you
Mandalore because that's a newer belief.
They believe the old way. They still believe that
accepting the darksaber as a gift is a curse, would bring a
curse on Mandalore on the people in the planet.
And then subsequent events would sort of justify that belief.
Even if Boca Tans rule had been strong.
It probably wouldn't have been enough to stop.
What was coming because the Empire before, the rebellion was
complete, the Empire retaliated brutally.
Against the overthrow of gar Saxon who was killed and then
gar Saxons. Brother Tiber took over and
Tiber was also killed. So they just came kind of like
the Valyrian Freehold dead when they decided, they finally
wanted to really go to war with the rhoynar they sent 300
dragons, right? This is basically what they did
to Mandalore the Empire sent just a ton of bombers and bombed
into Oblivion. It was called The Purge of
Mandalore that culminated in the night of a thousand tears were
Boca 10 Led her people in kind of a desperate attempt to stop
the killings didn't work. She surrendered the darksaber.
You is be Chief moth. Gideon are sorry.
I just be Chief Gideon, who later became moff Gideon on the
condition that they stopped slaughtering mandalorians.
He was like, thanks for the sword, but never mind.
I will not upholding my end of the bargain and kept on
slaughtering mandalorians. This was basically a genocide.
So, the children of the watch were, like, we told you, we told
you doing this, would be a curse.
And this was sort of like completed the Doom of Mandalore,
the prior destruction of the surface of the planet still left
it. Inhabitable they still had Dome
cities and stuff. This was this was it basically,
at least what people thought it was truly uninhabitable or was
it? That's what people thought,
people thought it was people at the people like the children to
watch spread, the rumor that it was cursed.
Other people said it was just uninhabitable due to the
radioactive fallout or the equivalent.
But there's some evidence that this rumor was spread by people
who wanted people to believe that this comes back to our
discussion about your on and maybe people of Atlantis who
make it sound like malaria is less inhabitable than it might
be. So Gideon is still in charge of
this sect which is the kind of his division that he's been
assigned when the Empire Falls when the Empire Emperor is
killed by Vader throwing him into the reactor there and Luke
and they get off the new death star and escaping all that.
The Empire Falls moff Gideon who has been promoted to modify this
point tries to reform the empire in his own image quite literally
with clones of himself. But he does like a year on
thing. Here is the other reason I bring
Iran back around because he's using all the best parts as he
sees it. A various cultures to seize
power, kind of like you're on is using Valyrian steel.
He's using old magic using blood magic he's using Valerian
ideals. He's using ironborn ideals, he's
murdering all the gods, he's challenging the existing status
status quo and breaking it down. Gideon was doing a lot of the
same things. He's using cloning kind of like
Valyrian energy their Force Powers the darksaber and best
car. All the best of the things he
thought were the best of multiple cultures merged into
one and using that to make himself and his army into this
unbeatable thing, or so he thought Entered in jar and again
and grow. Goo AKA Star Wars is version of
dunk and egg. The parallel made even stronger
by the fact that didn't yarn is Pedro.
Pascal AKA The Red Viper. By the way, Robert strong never
takes off his helmet either so didn't charges while out in the
world with grow, gu doing his thing getting into Adventures,
hunting bounties, he encounters Boca tan and in fact, rescued by
her, and some of her people while they're just out there in
the world. Now there's not very many of
them so they're just making a living as again, sellswords kind
of, but he gets embroiled with them and manages to defeat mom.
Gideon in personal combat and wins the darksaber.
He doesn't understand what's just happened, he doesn't
understand what beating someone with the dhara.
Who's willing to darksaber means, he doesn't know that.
He's just fulfilled in some Mandalorian people's minds.
The very thing that makes you Mandalore.
And this is maybe like it will see with dark sister of dark.
Sister pops up in Blood Ravens cave.
They may brand mirror and them may be like, oh, this is a nice
sort. Hey won't know, just how much
history is involved in that sword, and who owned it and all
that other stuff. so, He goes back and as the wielder of the
darksaber, he's challenged by another descendant of house
vizla, pause vizla but he wins The Challenge and keeps the
darksaber even while not believing in its significance
that much. But you know he's a man Lauren
and it's gonna not going to back down from a fight.
This guy wants his sword. He's like no, it's my sword.
He wants to give it to bucket and he's like, I want to give
this to you because I don't believe in it and you could
unite our people. You are a royal from a royal
family of experience leading. People will follow you but she's
like, you can't just give it to me.
Look what happened when people gave it to me before, they don't
accept it. If you give it to me events,
play out that enable a loophole of sorts.
He is defeated drop by a spider robot creature that lives in the
ruins of Mandalore and she rescues him while rescuing the
darksaber and using it to defeat this creature or this Droid
thing. So they're able to convince a
lot of mandalorians. At this means that she has
effectively one that arksaber from him by saving him from the
thing that was going to kill him.
This is sketchy, but whatever? If they go for it, the law for
you Manawa, their own Panda lawyers, read the fine print and
they realize man's a lawyer's. I mean, that's basically what
happens there. They're like, yeah.
So here's where Boca Town becomes more of a Daenerys.
She unites a disparate people while having seemingly nothing
to work with other than her Heritage, by the way, Boca tan.
Red hair, she hasn't bathed in. Blood is Danny is said to do,
but the actress Katee Sackhoff. Doesn't have red hair.
So she didn't need red hair dye for, huh?
So there's some bathing blood going on.
I sewed in John basically gives up the darksaber and kneels to
her. It's like, I swear my house to
yours. Is it possible?
That's what will happen with egg on the six.
Well, he bend the knee to Danny because she's got dragons and
he's like, look, I'm really the real Targaryen here.
That might be a little too happy of an outcome but it's possible.
I mean, if you look at at the example of game and pale hair
becoming the food, taster for egg on the third, rather than,
you know, being executed as a pretender, I don't know.
You can see something like that, maybe Boca tan also like Danny
pivots from fighting her own people, to fighting the bigger
bad, the bigger enemy in, and there's a parallel here, too.
Because the bigger bad in Game of Thrones, of course, is the
others on the TV show. It's night King, which again is
Darth Maul, which smoke? And was focusing on for a while
there and then eventually focusing on the Empire fighting
the big bad Empire and the Empire.
Surely we can make parallels to the Empire and the whites and
the others and winter. I mean, the Stormtroopers is
comparison to whites. They're all like uniform and
identical and not terribly competent and not, you know, and
centrally controlled almost respect even more.
So if it's if you're looking at a droid army like that,
literally centrally controlled by a single being or multiple
single beings each with their own, like group of Undead.
By the way, we made the joke about Grant the night of Gren,
Mark Stanley, who plays grenn and a night of Ren also saw a
man named Spencer Wilding. That's almost Spencer.
Wildling Plays Darth Vader in Rogue one and one of the White
Walkers and Game of Thrones. So yet another Crossover with an
actor there. A lot of people have been in
both Star Wars and Game of Thrones.
For example, usual ones, Darth Vader and a white walker.
Yeah, definitely. One of the other examples, a
more famous One is since we're talking about Danny now.
Emilia Clarke was in the shadow, Collective as Kira a subordinate
to Darth Maul that's true. That's I turn around for
Daenerys, she was quite good in that.
I was very skeptical. That I would be like able to
accept her in that role. And I agree Ike, she surprised
me it's too bad that movie didn't do as well and they
didn't, you know, they followed up a little bit with it in the
comics, that's true. But I would like to see more of
physically that like I like the darker stuff that's why I'm
excited for the acolyte like I would like to see the darker
side of things and not just the goods.
People agree. Yeah I want to see what makes
them. What makes Some tick why they
were the motivated and I think our Wars just villains pretty
well. Yeah, it's hard for them to do
and the Disney Star Wars like how like I mean, that's what
they ran into at the book of Boba Fett, right?
It's like they can't really show what a sleazy person would be
like because they're kind of sanitized in that respect so you
can't really show the mafia. Yeah that's true.
They had the same problem with the wrong.
How he's kind of a good guy to his people and kind of a good
guy if you read the books but to the to the rebels in the
alliance, he's a bad guy. Very much so.
And those are the real good guys from a lot of people's
perspective. So, yeah, it is a little
confusing in that sense, but very fun, another really strong
Danny Boca tan parallel, is that Mocha Tan SI is the one who
witnesses a living mythis or again.
She's discovers and sees it and is the only one to witness it.
Now, obviously, a plenty of people see dany's dragons but
it's this feminine character, this leader figure, this Royal
who's restoring their people again.
That is the one that has this connection to the true symbol of
their house. The one that gave them the power
in the first place. So long ago that is now back.
Again, we kind of thought we'd see Boca tan, right?
Amethyst or in the show, maybe she will in a future season.
Like Danny rides, her dragon Dan, you didn't ride her Dragon
right away, though. So building up to that also
would be a parallel. So Bogut and proceeds to reunite
her scattered people and lead them back to reclaim their home.
Kind of like Danny is well in the process of doing that, not
everyone believes in the darksaber is a symbol of rule
still and neither, does she? Now, I wonder how that will go
for. Danny, is that a lesson for us?
Something to think about, maybe, Because the darksaber is
destroyed at the end. Now there's nothing preventing
it from being rebuilt, it could it's not some fully unique item
that no one knows how to make another one of.
But symbolically being destroyed?
Does that mean the Mandalorian people will maybe stop fighting
each other so much is this the destruction of this blade that
brought them so much pain and suffering?
Because so many people used it to try to take over, I mean
there's periods of time that we skipped over in Mandalore In
history, where the darksaber was, used to seize power, if not
in attempts, that didn't succeed, or some that did.
And some that only succeeded partially like it was repeatedly
used to reunite house Crees we're talking about, I'm sorry
house vizla, we're talking about a larger span of time then A
Song of Ice and Fire of course, but even as we're talking about
a very similar, overall, span of time of about 10,000 years, Is
the Iron Throne going to be destroyed at the end.
Would that be a similar? Sort of ending of a artifact or
object that itself? The pursuit of his cause so Much
Death and destruction. Maybe Blackfire will be
destroyed. Now black fire isn't as
important of a symbol and A Song of Ice and Fire yet it's a lot
more. So to those of us who really pay
attention to those of look to listen to podcasts regularly and
read the extra material. As we pointed out many times,
the sword blackfyre has Never been mentioned in the main five
books. So it's a little harder to see
it as such an important symbol. But again, we're all pretty sure
that it's going to become one. George is kind of keeping it
close to the cuff or close to the chest cough.
Well, sure close to his chest cough.
At the end of The Game of Thrones TV show.
We see Jon Snow walking away from the wall and he's smiling
and there's some Greenery growing is like oh look it's a
good dream of spring, right. It's like a hope for the future.
The same thing happens near the end of the Mandalorian TV show,
most recent season where there's a sort of side scene where you
see some survivors on Mandalore who didn't get off Planet during
I Either of the cataclysms then maybe there were others to any
of the cataclysms. They stayed they managed to
survive. It is a whole planet after all
and started to try to like replant and make new green
spaces. So, there is also a dream of
spring element to the Mandalorian Civil Wars and maybe
a hope that they can get their act together and stop fighting
each other. It's one thing to have a warrior
culture. It's another thing to just
always go at it with each other and Billy destroy yourselves at
least in their early history, they were fighting other people
which isn't you know, ethical but it's less stupid.
It's less self-destructive and we can maybe hope that's
something that is coming and will maybe even see future
parallels after all both of these stories are still ongoing.
We don't know the end of A Song of Ice and Fire we don't know
the true fate of the Blackfriars, the targaryens
Danny, the Iron Throne, the sword, Her Dragons.
Just as I don't know, the ultimate fate of the
mandalorians, as a people as individuals, what will happen
with Boca tan, what will happen with ginger, aren?
What will happen with some of these houses will they
re-emerge? Will they become important?
What kind of political system will they have?
That's a question for Game of Thrones to, if the Iron Throne
is destroyed. Are they going to form new
kingdoms? Are they going to change their
style of leadership? Mandalorians, went through, lots
of iterations of government that kept coming back to the old way,
right? They had things like a prime
minister for a while Duchess Satine appointed.
A Minister when she was in power but people tried to bring it
back to the old way of Mandalore know, the most powerful Warrior
rules us and if no one is the most powerful Warrior than we
exist in a state of violent chaos until someone does.
You can see why that's not good but they kept it going for so
long. Just like Westeros has been
going for so long. In this state of not advancing
technologically, not moving forward.
Culturally, we might see that when the books are done or As
sort of a coda or epilogue some sense of growth, some sort of,
finally, a change, something to come out of it.
But even if that does happen, there may be elements to try to
drag them back into the darkness of history and two times that
weren't so good. You know, some traditions are
good. Some cultural Traditions are
worth following and holding but don't just uphold them because
their Traditions, don't just do what your ancestors did for the
sake of doing what your ancestors did.
So there's a real-life lessons in there too.
I think. Which is something that George
likes to both George's, George, Lucas, and George r.r.
Martin, like to impart in their stories, they like to Get out
the human heart in conflict with itself or a human society in
conflict with itself which might be more appropriate way of
framing what we've discussed today.
Because while there were a lot of individuals and a lot of them
had conflict, like, oh Catan, going against her sister, but
also going against her people like what side does she take or
Danny, is she merged it in the throne or saving her people from
the others? Which is more important?
Well, I think we know which is more important but her choices
along the way The way are going to be, what makes this story
interesting, the reason we're going to read and reread it and
I think the Mandalorian has some simple things to offer.
It's not his it doesn't have the, you know, the depth of
George r.r. Martin, I think.
But the world-building is great. I think it's very strong and
expanded. Star Wars Universe has given us
a lot more to dig into, I for one am very happy with it and it
was Shay is a big fan to. We watch a lot of these shows
together while we watch them all together.
Pretty much personally, I haven't seen a lot of the
animated show. I haven't a lot of these things
happen, in Clone Wars and Rebels.
Lot of things I've described, I haven't actually seen very much
That. I have read a lot of books, seen
all the movies and seeing all the TV shows that aren't
animated. Shay is basically the same as me
on that, so we're kind of similar in that.
Regard are currently watching Star Wars Visions.
We're seeing the first five or six episodes of season two.
I mean like the new season came out but yeah that's our current
Star Wars consumption. Speaking of Visions, eat there's
even prophecy and vision within the world of Star Wars.
Of course, there's things like the chosen one.
They thought Anakin was going to be and he was kind of in a way
and they mistook Medusa misunderstood that prophecy,
right? They thought the chosen one that
would bring balance to the force was what?
Hannigan was. And they misunderstood that
prophecy, which is a recurring feature of A Song of Ice and
Fire. Of course, in fact, the person
that restored balance to the force did.
So by restoring the dark side to power to be in balance with the
light side, which had been winning out for some time.
So yep. Even that has some parallels in
A Song of Ice and Fire as well and the armor tells bow.
Kattan when Boca tan reveals that she saw the mythus or Book
on the armor response, those who walk the way?
See many Visions. So in this it's meant to be more
of a religious Vision which is real world thing.
People have religious Visions, whether they're, you know, real
or not quote unquote is way outside the scope of this
episode. But people see them as real,
they act on them is real, they write books about them as if
they're real and all that and that has an effect as if it's
real, whether it really is or not for a lot of people, same is
true. Ruin these fantasy world sees
space fantasy or medieval fantasy or whatever you want to
call it. The characters, as great as they
are as Bree living breathing, as they are draws us to them, and
makes us want to learn more about them.
My final question for you all, as I wonder, if George r.r.,
Martin is seeing the Mandalorian, I just I think he's
talked about watching a lot of the new Star Wars shows, so I'm
guessing he has. So, what does it mean in
Reverse? He has intentions blog post.
Yeah, he hasn't but I think he is a fan.
And he does watch plenty of TV. So I don't know, maybe not, but
I would wonder if he watches it and notices any of these same
parallels was like, hey, that's kind of like Blackfire, you
know, darksaber made of black fire that's like my sword.
So I really I hope the day comes where he comments on that.
And because obviously there's other, he has other ties to Star
Wars. Given the Ralph McQuarrie stuff
and other little things like that, so we can hope we can
hope. And maybe some more things will
emerge. A couple of questions from y'all
here. As we wrap things up guilty,
Undertaker says both Star Wars and Moulin Rouge, have a
character named Satine, Who falls in love with a character
played by Ewan, McGregor and dies tragically, yeah.
Whoa, a parallel. I've never seen.
Moulin Rouge. I knew you and McGregor was in
it. I've seen the one I never have.
You should watch one room. Okay.
That's like my favorite mute. I know you don't like musicals,
but it's my favorite musical. My favorite baz, lurman movie
and he's one of my favorite dry. It's my favorite romance for
sure. I anyways, yes.
Is there a fight between the Moulin Rouge has and the Moulin
noirs? The feds in the blacks right now
we're watching it Jazz holgersson says but who is the
hot pie of Star Wars? Hot Pew or Hoth pie.
Haha spy. I think it's ice cream pie.
Yeah ice cream pie. Yeah.
Two points for you Jazz holgersson.
That's a good one. Meredith said.
So here's a question in Clone Wars bad batch.
We learned that the hide of the Zillo Beast can withstand
lightsabers and Song of Ice and Fire could one make armor a
dragon scales if yes, what would it do?
Whoo. I don't see why not.
I mean unless dragon scales just like do you know rot or fall
apart? I don't know why not.
Is that? Like if we haven't seen it in
the series, I have to wonder if there is no K degradation and
happens without it's a good point.
The fact that it doesn't exist is a strong argument against it.
Yeah, to me, well, otherwise yeah, I think for sure dragon
scale armor was like, I think people would be using it whether
for armor or for decoration, or for any kind of like they would
be using dragon scales, I think. If they lasted, you know, I
think you could make them into there's a chance, it's a taboo
like the valyrians were like, no, we don't do that.
But then, like once the Valerian culture died, like, I, why would
someone else do it? Like, as soon as like, what
wouldn't a dragon, why would they not make use of that skins?
Very good points. And yeah, that's a good point.
It probably isn't possible that you someone would have done it.
Like they've made hides out of everything else.
Like, why wouldn't they? It's kind of unbelievable.
They wouldn't have thought of that but because they they
surely did take the bones because that stuff is valuable.
Yeah, yeah. He's the bones.
Yeah. You know that.
So that's why it's here and there.
Yeah, good point. So yeah, I wonder if there's any
other like heavily armored beasts in A Song of Ice and Fire
that you could make armor out of like the old unit like those.
Yeah, like a unicorn. Yeah.
The unicorns and something that was like stronger.
Hide perhaps. Yeah.
Christina cuddle says Orchid ill.
I never do know how to quite say your name's.
Christina told you. I said many times we can say
Christina. Gags.
I know, I know, I forgot that when I said it, then I know I
should have just said Christina K.
She says, man, I didn't know any of this but Boca Tanning was not
kidding. When she said, the mandalorians
are Their Own Worst Enemy, right?
They kind of make the ironborn, looks like Patsy's, and how
maybe not, though. That's a similar span of time.
They've been losing and often to themselves, but the ironborn
least have that taboo against fighting each other, which is
not always upheld, but that probably helps them.
In a way that the mandalorians don't have.
So, but something I forgot to mention, by the way, there was
kind of an irony that the children of the watch is beliefs
became so powerful because they were exiled to conquer Dia and
then those cataclysms happen. So they were one of the few
subgroups didn't get wiped out. So it's like the old guard.
It was a benefit being exiled. When all the people left on the
home world were slaughtered. So little note, I forgot to
mention there. All right, folks, the trivia
question. The question was, which location
on the iron islands has the best forges?
The answer is Lord's. Porch words.
Port. Yes.
Lourdes. Guess it's said they make axes
swords ring mail and hauberks second to none and Seven
Kingdoms. Yes, another reason to fear the
ironborn is they are actually pretty good at making armor and
weapons unlike a lot of like piratical Archers pirate.
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Watch has alliance with the shadow Collective, lots of
parallels there so check that out if you're so inclined.
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