1 00:00:48,110 --> 00:00:53,310 The end of the First Dornish War kicked off 24 years of peace 2 00:00:53,310 --> 00:00:56,710 under Aegon the Conqueror. To him, this was the first law. 3 00:00:56,990 --> 00:01:01,150 The Dragon's peace would reign, or else the conquest wasn't so 4 00:01:01,150 --> 00:01:05,230 far in the past that anyone could forget what that meant and 5 00:01:05,230 --> 00:01:07,950 no one tried. Hence that long run of peace 6 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,760 still reading between the lines tells us that peace ended as 7 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,720 soon as he died, like the minute he died, and that is a correct 8 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,000 reading between the lines. Did Aegon actually rule? 9 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,080 Well then is the question? Or was the peace just because 10 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,560 everyone was afraid of him and his sister and their Dragons? 11 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,000 Did his policies lead to the many civil conflicts that came 12 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 less than a generation after his death? 13 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,240 Perhaps even if he did botch future peace, he otherwise ruled 14 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,360 Well, though, so it's not a simple answer. 15 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,280 We're not looking for simple answers. 16 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,720 In fact, we're trying to get a little complicated. 17 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,680 But Speaking of, I mean, how much can we read into his 18 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,720 actions regarding his views on the prophecy? 19 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,440 So that'll be a question for us today as well. 20 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,240 And that's not exactly the sort of thing we can take into 21 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,960 account based on, you know, real world experience or examples 22 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,920 beyond that. He had one of the longest reigns 23 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,800 of any Targaryen monarch. He wasn't just the first, he was 24 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,160 one of the longest reigning. So we've got no shortage of 25 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,480 topics in rabbit holes to dive into on this episode of History 26 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,960 Westeros Podcast. You know, before you get too 27 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,440 into it, I want to point out something about the idea of not 28 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,640 being able to read too much into it based on real world scenarios 29 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:19,200 that as far as like trying to fulfill some prophecy, but more 30 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,640 so than you might think, like whether or not there are real 31 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:23,520 world prophecies. There are a lot of people who 32 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,880 believe in real world prophecies, especially leaders 33 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,840 in, you know, more ancient times and even Christianity 34 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,000 prophesizes in Armageddon and everything. 35 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,240 So like, there are lots of people who do make some 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,920 decisions based on prophecies. And Sean, you're really bearing 37 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:42,000 the lead here because you have been telling us how you expect 38 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,920 Ragnarok is coming any day now, for example. 39 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,440 I bring this up for a reason. Yeah, you expected it to come on 40 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,400 Super Bowl Sunday, so this live stream may be interrupted by the 41 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,960 end of everything. I just don't know which Super 42 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,000 Bowl Sunday. It might be a future. 43 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:56,480 This. Time. 44 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,680 Hopefully a future one. Yeah, Every Sunday. 45 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,720 Even Super Bowl Sundays. Maybe not every Sunday. 46 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Almost every Sunday, including Super Bowl Sunday. 47 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,800 This is definitely not our first Super Bowl Sunday live stream. 48 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,640 We are on talking A Song of Ice and Fire, Game of Thrones and 49 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:18,120 all that related stuff, and it's at 3:00 on Eastern. 50 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,800 That's when we do this when we're live. 51 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,000 But then afterwards you can find every video on YouTube and then 52 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,080 Spotify. An edited version appears on 53 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Spotify and then an audio only version appears at the same 54 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,240 time. Ad free on Patreon if you so are 55 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,800 inclined. If you are so inclined. 56 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,880 If you so are inclined. Either way, whichever you 57 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,360 choose, that option is there for you. 58 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,720 We are about halfway through our topics moot. 59 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,000 We're having a lot of fun with that. 60 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,080 Three polls a week going up on our Patreon, picking topics 61 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,320 that'll get made this year. By the end of it, we'll have 62 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,200 chosen 12 topics we've already chosen. 63 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,840 What is it, 5-6? I think 6 already? 64 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Yeah. So halfway, exactly because 65 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,680 we're choosing 12. We've got some good stuff 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,720 coming. We've done authorial influences, 67 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:05,240 historical influences, we've done undead characters and we've 68 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,320 got a lot more to come in that regard. 69 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Worth saying, it's head and head right now in the last Friday's 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,080 poll, with authorial influences and some and historical 71 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,880 influences if they. I believe there's a couple that 72 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,480 The Black Dinner and Tolkien are like really close, with a few 73 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,640 votes away from 1:00. Another. 74 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,000 Yeah. Last felt like it was one vote. 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Yeah. So yeah, we got some. 76 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,360 If you're hearing this, you might be able to make a real 77 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,400 difference in what topic ends up winning if you're super pro or 78 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,720 anti Tolkien or the Black Dinner. 79 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,080 We had basically the the top choices from the authorial 80 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,760 influences poll fighting against the top choices from the 81 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,040 historical Influences poll, and it looks like y'all prefer the 82 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,920 historical influences over the authorial influences, but it's 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,680 close in some cases. Yeah, it was kind of cool to pit 84 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,760 them against one another because we can kind of see our audience 85 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,200 which they prefer. Yeah, what do you guys like more 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,400 than other? I was a little surprised to see 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,160 the the popularity of historical influences so much over 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,840 authorial. I knew I I figured, you know, 89 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,000 both are going to be popular. But we learned. 90 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,560 We learned something. At least we think we learned 91 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,560 something. Shout out to our good friend 92 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,840 Nina. Her blog is over at Good Queen 93 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:17,520 ali.tumblr.com That's 1L and Ali and the latest post over there 94 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,280 is a question about Beth Blackwood. 95 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:24,920 Is she the only Was she likely to have kept the old gods even 96 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,200 after becoming queen and was that a problem? 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,360 If so, meaning like a political problem? 98 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,480 Were other people at court going to dislike that or etcetera? 99 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,120 And Nina really liked that question, so you're going to 100 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,960 want to read her answer to it. You can also send us questions, 101 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,600 either live or not. If you want to send them live, 102 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,360 well, just put them in the comment box there and Ashea will 103 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,280 probably grab it. Otherwise, send them to 104 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:53,520 westeroshistory@gmail.com or interact with us on a different 105 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,960 social media site. We're Westeros history on pretty 106 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,840 much everything. I'll mention some episodes at 107 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,640 the end of this one that relate to things we discussed during, 108 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,000 and at that same time I will reveal the answer to this trivia 109 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,720 question, which is the first King of Harrenhall died. 110 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,360 Thanks to Valerian. How did the first Lord of 111 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,680 Harrenhal die? Not too. 112 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,200 Valarium is the answer, so I narrowed it down slightly for 113 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,160 you. It's not dragon related. 114 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:26,520 Since the last episode, there's been a fairly big news drop that 115 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,760 the Aegon's Conquest show has been moving forward, so that's 116 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,680 timely. Given what we're talking about 117 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,840 here, there's still no certainty it'll get made by any means. 118 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,320 But it has a writer you know, and it's moving forward. 119 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,520 Moving forward meaning to the next phase, which hopefully will 120 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,920 mean a pilot order, if if not a full series order. 121 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,000 Which you know, as we know, House of the Dragon never got a 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,680 pilot order. It went straight to a full 123 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,440 series order, so that would be better. 124 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,160 But because the pilot can get cancelled like Blood Moon. 125 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,040 So you know, but that's also why they do pilots, cause yeah, the 126 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,240 show sucks and they have like, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. 127 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,480 Yeah. I'm probably glad they did a 128 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,400 pilot for Blood Moon and not a full series order. 129 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,200 Yeah, they might have tanked the franchise a bit. 130 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:09,800 I mean, we don't know. We didn't see it. 131 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,960 But if if it if it had been bad, you know if it was as bad as. 132 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,960 It seemed on its face, yeah. Unfortunately, it's pretty easy 133 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,480 to describe a lot of things in a ludicrous way that makes it seem 134 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,280 bad when you're just giving a few sentence description of it. 135 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,280 I will say that, but the few sentences that I've read about 136 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,880 what would happen in that story did not fill me with confidence. 137 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,120 And also just they'd have to be real idiots to cancel it if it 138 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,560 was good. Like, it's a Game of Thrones 139 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,680 show that they spent $30 million on. 140 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Like, I I I don't think they had the bar so, so high. 141 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,320 You know, like, no, I don't. I think it was really actually 142 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,000 bad. Not to get too caught up in 143 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,040 this, especially 'cause I don't know a lot of details, but there 144 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,200 are other things to consider. What was the budget for the rest 145 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,280 of the series? Like? 146 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,880 If this is mediocre but the budget is only 30 million, let's 147 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,960 run it. But if this is mediocre and the 148 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:01,840 budget's 300 million, no, no, no, no. 149 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,880 It'd be better for 300 million. That's that's a good point. 150 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,000 Yeah, certainly it's it's about the cost benefit analysis, not 151 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,640 just the total cost or the total quality. 152 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,920 Yeah, like one of our favorite shows, It's Always Sunny in 153 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,440 Philadelphia would have been cancelled very early on, except 154 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,080 it was dirt cheap. They were like, yeah, we'll keep 155 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,960 it going and then it's now it's the longest running sitcom, like 156 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,520 of all time. Yeah. 157 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,680 So you know, you never know. Live Action sitcom. 158 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,840 Yeah, not, not, not. Animated, that's true. 159 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,800 So we we're pretty sure that the Zagun's Conquest show will be 160 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,080 under the House of the Dragon moniker 'cause that's sort of 161 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,640 what they hinted at early on, that it would be anthology 162 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,880 style, but not single season anthology style. 163 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,919 Although I suppose they could do a single season edition of House 164 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:44,440 of the Dragon in some timeline. Certainly that would be 165 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,320 possible, but Aegon's conquest probably wouldn't be a single 166 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,880 season. I guess it could be weather. 167 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,080 And so the point is, I don't know whether this is going to be 168 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,600 connected to Ryan Condall in any way, and it's moot if it doesn't 169 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,360 get picked up anyway. So we'll keep you all updated 170 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,160 about series or pilot orders or future news. 171 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,400 If it starts casting then that's a good sign too. 172 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,880 But anyway, it's it's fairly exciting. 173 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,880 But we'll temper our expectations 'cause we know how 174 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,680 these things work. They don't always come through 175 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,480 and well, that's what we that's the world we live in. 176 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,280 We'll probably have some Night of the Seven Kingdoms Dunkin Egg 177 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,040 news to talk about before we get to Aegon casting news anyways. 178 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,720 That's a good point. Yeah, that'll probably happen. 179 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,240 But we'll we'll we'll come back to that when it's appropriate to 180 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,960 whatever TV show news we have. Next plus there's the the The 181 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,600 Sea Snake 9 Voyages of the Sea Snake animated series as. 182 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,360 Well, they're pivoting to that possibility, which is good. 183 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,000 If it helps it get made, I'm all for it. 184 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,240 Exciting time to be. It always seemed like a very 185 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,920 expensive show so that. Oh, I mean, yeah, it always 186 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,840 seems like it should be animated to me, so. 187 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,640 Yeah, nautical stuff like that. Very, very expensive. 188 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,800 And so pivoting to our show, Sean, how you doing today? 189 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,840 You got any, any, anything in your beverage today? 190 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:55,760 What are you What are you drinking? 191 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:01,120 This is the Naked Green Machine along with Magic Mind along with 192 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,840 Bolthouse Protein Mix, and I've got a little ice in there that's 193 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:06,920 good. It's very green. 194 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,360 It's pale green today. Yes, pale green. 195 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,680 So yeah, pivoting to our show away from talk of Game of 196 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:17,560 Thrones TV, One thing we really like to do is take what George 197 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:21,160 gives us, the way he presents it and presented differently. 198 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,800 What if he presents it one way we presented a different way? 199 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,960 Like if he has characters looking at the details, we try 200 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,520 to look at the big picture, and vice versa, if he has them 201 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,200 looking at the big picture, we try to look at the detail. 202 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,440 If historical counts show up in the text, we expand on them to 203 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,240 make sure their significance is clear. 204 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,560 If historical counts pertain to A Song of Ice and Pfizer 205 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:41,320 characters, we point that connection out. 206 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,400 If one of George R Martin's accounts slash sources in World 207 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,720 takes things year by we year, we try to look at trends and eras, 208 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,000 right? That's a big picture to look. 209 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,720 Maybe we look at how these events were viewed later on in 210 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,000 the timeline, and if George jumps around in the timeline, we 211 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,560 try to go year by year. Now Fire and Blood does a bit of 212 00:10:57,560 --> 00:10:59,200 both. Sometimes it goes year by year, 213 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,880 sometimes it jumps around quite a bit. 214 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,560 That depends on which Targaryen monarch we're Speaking of. 215 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:08,040 You can't really jump around much inside the reign of Magor 216 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,440 'cause it was only six years long. 217 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,760 There's not a lot of room to jump around, or any who preceded 218 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,040 him was even shorter or closer to five years. 219 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,320 Aegon's reign was 37 years. It jumps around quite a bit. 220 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,040 It it doesn't jump around too much before the 1st Dornish War 221 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,400 'cause that's a real big delineating differential within 222 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,200 his reign. But within those last 24 years, 223 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,400 it jumps around a lot. I really wish I could play that 224 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:30,520 song right now. Which song? 225 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,560 Jump around. Jump around, jump up, jump up. 226 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,080 Iron crown on on my crown. There we go. 227 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,440 That's that's why I said it. I'm like, I don't need to play 228 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,840 it. If you can just do a little, you 229 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,360 know, version, that's safe for us. 230 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,280 Another little tidbit to add to what you're saying about the the 231 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,720 different ways to analyze it. We have this new wrinkle and 232 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,280 everything now with this prophecy. 233 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,240 That's another piece to however, we might have analyzed it before 234 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,000 that we have to add in. Yeah, absolutely. 235 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,320 And we we considered that as it pertained to the conquest, now 236 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,200 we have to consider it as it pertained to how he ruled 237 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,520 afterwards, because that's prepared for this inevitable 238 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,240 future that he saw in his dreams. 239 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,560 Even if it's far in the future, it's his. 240 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:14,360 Some of his actions should at least be weighed against that 241 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,800 preparation. So yeah, it jumps around a lot, 242 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,680 both in Fire and Blood and The World of Ice and Fire. 243 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,400 And in terms of references, we get inside A Song of Ice and 244 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Fire as well. There's mentions here and there, 245 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,120 especially in Tyrion and Danny's chapters and and elsewhere as 246 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,680 well, about Egg on the Conqueror and those tidbits matter here as 247 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:33,760 well. So it's hard to look at things 248 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,760 year by year. We can't just do the year 20, 249 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,320 then 21, then 22 because of all this jumping around later in his 250 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,520 reign. We are going to do that a little 251 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:47,160 bit because we have dates on, say, when his grandchildren were 252 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,400 born, and that's really important. 253 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,800 We can look at that time by time, but today we're not 254 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,880 focused on his family. We're separating that. 255 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,760 There's two parsings that we're working with. 256 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,520 It's like a dichotomy of Aegon's rule, how he ruled the realm and 257 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,720 how he ruled his family. And those are obviously 258 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,240 connected because his family ruled the realm after him. 259 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,240 And they're he's, they're being prepared to rule during his 260 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,440 life. Or are they? 261 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,960 And that's that's one of the questions, How well, how well 262 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,920 and how much were they prepared to rule after him and how well 263 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,840 did he set the realm up for them to take over? 264 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,160 And the answer is, well, it's it's. 265 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,000 Little. Little good, little bad, maybe a 266 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,960 lot bad, maybe a lot good, depending on what angles we're 267 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,760 looking at. And we'll be looking at several 268 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,720 different angles. You know, I I probably I just 269 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,480 now thought this question. I wish I had thought to research 270 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,160 it ahead of time, and I don't want to put you on a spot too 271 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,040 much, but how many times have we had a Targaryen King and a 272 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,200 Targaryen hand at the same time? Oh. 273 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,440 Every Targaryen king has had Targaryen hands. 274 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,920 Sometimes only 1/2. Hands, yeah. 275 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,120 They were born with two, all of them that we know of. 276 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,840 But yeah, there's been several because a lot of them made their 277 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,840 heir. The Hand, like Balon, was Hand, 278 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,720 and before him, his older brother Amon was Hand. 279 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Before he died. Dailor the Blessed was Hand. 280 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,280 In, you know, later generations, they were more able to do it and 281 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:07,640 it seems like a wise thing to do. 282 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,720 It seems like the person who's going to end up being in charge 283 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,520 at some point should be second in charge to get ready for that, 284 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,120 right? But Aegon didn't have that 285 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,400 advantage, right? He'd say like maybe eventually 286 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,040 once his kids grow up, but even then they're 20, but there's 287 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,440 other people who are 40 with more experience or whatever. 288 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,600 So you can maybe still you should make the 20 year old 289 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,000 hand, but it's a different challenge for him so. 290 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,320 He did make his half brother hands, which he's not Targaryen, 291 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,880 but he was in his family. You can count. 292 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,560 I would count that in terms of purposes of this this category, 293 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,760 but but you're right, he didn't have the choice of his own 294 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,720 family. He didn't have a choice. 295 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,120 Because I wouldn't count it. And and maybe even I should have 296 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,080 been more clear. Not just the Targaryen hand, but 297 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,280 the heir, the person who's going to end up being in charge. 298 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,680 Or East wasn't the heir, so I. Think about the best way to now 299 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,080 maybe they need to be trained up to that point too and that's 300 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,880 another challenge is that that maybe they're not ready for 301 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,080 that, so. If we're being technical though 302 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,200 at the time before a nice was born there are a lot of people 303 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,080 who may have considered or east the heir it it was unlikely that 304 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,480 would ever come to pass but like if you're going to well it has 305 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,600 to be a man. If that was the rule for them 306 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,880 then in the next closest relation to Aegon would have 307 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,760 been Ori. So and we we covered that at the 308 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,240 time too as a like a a pain point for the realms like well 309 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,240 if Aegon dies now what's going to happen. 310 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,320 That of course didn't happen but anyway so yeah I said Aegon's 311 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,320 reign is the is the second longest reign of all time. 312 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,200 Well Harris and Allison had the longest of all and Allison 313 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,040 technically didn't make it till the end, but it was 55 years and 314 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,480 oddly enough I guess George likes the number 26 cause three 315 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,160 different kings ruled for 26 years. 316 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,680 Viserys the first egg on the 3rd and egg on the 5th and dare on 317 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,840 the second was 25 years. So it's pretty close. 318 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,040 Surprising perhaps is that Aries the Mad King was the next 319 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,440 longest at 21, but let's not forget he wasn't mad when his 320 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,360 reign began else it probably wouldn't have lasted that long. 321 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,480 So that is interesting to think about that Aegons was the second 322 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,520 longest, in fact just the peacetime era of Aegon the 323 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,880 Conqueror post first Ornish war was 24 years long, so just his 324 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,040 peacetime, his No War era only was one of the longest Targaryen 325 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,160 reigns. Even if you count it as 326 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,160 separate, it's longer than any reign other than those five that 327 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,920 I just named Mad King and the Jairus Viserus first, Aegon the 328 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,640 3rd and Aegon the 5th. And how many of them had eras 329 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,480 had no war? Yeah, Phew. 330 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,280 Certainly Aegon the 5th had war during his Aegon the Third had 331 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,200 some. Mostly it was the war that 332 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,600 preceded him that set him up. And then of course, mysterious 333 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,400 the one same thing he he presided over peace and then 334 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,680 immediately it turned into war upon his death, which is also 335 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,080 the case for Aegon. So yeah, it's interesting. 336 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,600 It's a lot to analyze, but I feel like Saris did more to 337 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,080 cause that war. Yeah, and Aegon did. 338 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,400 I agree, but I think might be. I feel naive saying that, but 339 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,520 that's what I feel right now. I don't think you're wrong. 340 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,240 I mean the dance was was the biggest Targaryen civil war, so 341 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,760 it's also in terms of scope it was larger. 342 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,440 But but Amis and Megor had their problems, and I think Aegon gets 343 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:06,520 some blame for that. Yeah, right. 344 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,280 I think you're right. I I I mean, I think if we saw it 345 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,920 play out, we would see all sorts of things that Aegon could have 346 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,560 conceivably done to smooth things over between his two 347 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,319 sons. Yeah, I think it's a question 348 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:19,839 similar to one we get with Tywin Lannister. 349 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,560 People point to Tywin Lannister keeping the peace for so long. 350 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,960 But did he really? Was that was he mortgaging the 351 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,720 future to keep the peace in the short term? 352 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,800 And I think maybe Aegon, that question is clearer. 353 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,640 And for Tywin it's not as clear because he a wasn't fully in 354 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,720 charge, so you can't put it all on him anyway. 355 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,720 But yes, I think, for example, the Faith is the topic that's 356 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,640 going to come up today. Aegon kind of just kicked the 357 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:44,720 can down the road with the Faith. 358 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,680 There were a lot of simmering problems that just weren't dealt 359 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,040 with, and they were left for a weaker king or a more violent 360 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,400 king to deal with. In both, really. 361 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Two separate kings, of course, I'm speaking. 362 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,080 So I think that is maybe still the best thing to do with the 363 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,920 faith is to time needs to pass for your reign to be even more 364 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,480 legitimate. You're dealing with the faith is 365 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,840 going to be easier as more time passes and you're more embedded. 366 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,160 That's a true point, yeah. Like, things change. 367 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,640 You need that period of the current generation sort of 368 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,760 passing off and the new generation being the ones to 369 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,560 take over. And they're, they were born into 370 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,880 this world, this new world where Aegon is king and the faith is 371 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,200 not quite as powerful, but the people who transitioned from one 372 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,960 world to the other are maybe a little more difficult. 373 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:37,280 And so, yeah, as those people no longer are making decisions in 374 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,880 the world, it maybe gets easier, but it didn't necessarily. 375 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Like that was a good theory, I think, but maybe it didn't 376 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,680 actually work out as well. Yeah, that's true. 377 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,360 I do. I want to clarify that just 378 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:49,000 because I think Viserys might have been more at fault than 379 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,320 Aegon doesn't mean I don't think Aegon was at fault. 380 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,280 Right, Okay, yeah. I guess more so, but also I 381 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,800 think Aegon had more of a difficult challenge. 382 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,480 Like we were just talking about he's got to deal with all these 383 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,400 completely new things, whereas Viserys still had Dragons and 384 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,120 inherited peace, right? He was in a better position to 385 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,640 set things up for his posterity than Aegon was. 386 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,560 I agree, I totally agree. And also I think it's fair to 387 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,120 say that observing them, and I don't even mean TV, I mean 388 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:21,440 reading, although that certainly adds to the opinion. 389 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,040 Reading about Viserys and Fire and Blood, reading about Egon 390 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,480 and Fire and Blood, whether or not they made the right choices, 391 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,200 it's pretty clear Egon worked a lot harder. 392 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,960 Like he put way more effort in and and tried harder. 393 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,040 He traveled half of his reign was going from place to place 394 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,840 where Viserus when he went hunting people. 395 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,440 I mean this was a TV thing. People held the deer for him, 396 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,360 you know, like. So that wasn't necessarily what 397 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:43,520 really happened, but it might have been because he was 398 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,680 overweight and partied too hard, so he might. 399 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,760 He probably did need some help getting around, especially when 400 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,120 he was older so. Aegon worked hard and Sirius 401 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,200 played hard. Yeah. 402 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:55,480 That's right. Yeah. 403 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,040 Tell you which one I'd rather hang out with. 404 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,360 Yeah, yeah, you know, I I agree with you there. 405 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,080 Yeah, but Saros would be more fun to hang out with. 406 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,240 No doubt, but the one. I want to hang out with is not 407 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,880 the one I want to be king. Yeah, yeah. 408 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,160 Let him just be a Prince. Yeah, I said. 409 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,960 Hang out with. Yeah, not the one that we want 410 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,960 to vote for, for King. You don't vote for king? 411 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,360 Well, they just did at the Great Council. 412 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,120 Aegon might not be happy. It's like you guys voted for 413 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:20,960 King after me, like. What? 414 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,440 Jeez, I did not teach you well rolling over in his grave. 415 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,200 But yeah, you don't have to judge Aegon to conquer from a 416 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,400 moral perspective. You wouldn't even have to do 417 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,720 that if he was real. I mean, you can if you want to. 418 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,080 We do. It's kind of fun. 419 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,440 The setting is just so different from our own. 420 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,760 It's hard to do in the 1st place, but yeah, you can totally 421 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,880 do it if you want, like we do. But ethics aside, we cannot 422 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,160 definitely judge whether or not his rule set up future troubles. 423 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,440 I think that's an easier conversation to have cause 424 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,520 ethics are more confusing and and not as easily transportable 425 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,240 from time to time and place to place. 426 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,000 But cause and effect is a little easier to judge I think even in 427 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,080 politics, even in fictional politics. 428 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,600 So we can judge arraign and we should never do the thing that 429 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:07,280 happens a lot in real life, which is judge a reign solely 430 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,480 based on what happens during that reign. 431 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,520 It should be like what Aegon did spilled over into the next 432 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,440 reign. What presidents and prime 433 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:22,000 ministers and kings and premiers do carries over into the next 434 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,480 term of office. So obviously some more than 435 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,640 others, but the point is those rules are universal, whether 436 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,760 fictional or non fictional. The actions of the powerful have 437 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,440 consequences and impact well beyond their reigns, their terms 438 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,960 and their lifespans. And the bigger the power, the 439 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,720 bigger those effects in general. And this was the most powerful 440 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,600 Targaryen on the most powerful dragon at the most pivotal time 441 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,840 in the history of Westeros, And was Aegon the most powerful man 442 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,720 in the history of Westeros. It's an interesting question. 443 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,520 I think quite possibly. I can't really think of someone 444 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,600 who was more powerful. If you throw in supernatural 445 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,040 power then it gets a little wonky. 446 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,640 I don't know, Brandon the Builder, maybe Garth Greene? 447 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,800 I don't know if we're post legendary times. 448 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,080 I think Egons got a strong case. The relative ease at which he 449 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,320 took and held supreme power makes a compelling case by 450 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,560 itself, but let's break down what he did with that power 451 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,040 after taking it. The Dragon's piece is where we 452 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,120 start if you're interested in the sometimes counter intuitive 453 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:24,160 strategies employed by politicians and rulers and such. 454 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,720 Not exactly the Game of Thrones, but the Game of Throne in this 455 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,880 case, this episode should have a lot of that. 456 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,560 The throne isn't up for grabs, right? 457 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,760 It's about as locked down as it ever will be after the so-called 458 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,280 eternal peace. Quote UN quote with Dorne. 459 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,320 But just because the top spot is sealed up doesn't mean there 460 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,760 isn't power to fight over, right? 461 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,560 If you can't have supreme power, aim for second highest or third 462 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,080 highest, or make friends with those who do have the top spot, 463 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,280 there's plenty of jockeying to go on to go on here, even though 464 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,480 it's not for the throne itself. Many seem to have just accepted 465 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,760 Aegon's rule, because what are you going to do about it? 466 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,080 His way or the highway? So among those, there were 467 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,520 surely many that were trying to become his friend, trying to 468 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,560 become his ally, or just trying to get favors out of him. 469 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,480 There's more of those people, I'm guessing looking for pit 470 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,560 power within the new realm rather than, say, pining for the 471 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,320 old days or let alone planning some kind of rebellion. 472 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,920 Though there were definitely those too. 473 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,840 Even though Aegon failed to bring darn into the realm, there 474 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,680 were just no threats to his rule to speak of. 475 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,200 There were threats to the peace, there were things to deal with, 476 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,560 but nothing that was going to remove him from the throne. 477 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960 Not after the not after the Dornish war, anyway, because no 478 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,440 one was trying to assassinate him anymore. 479 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,240 He was concerned, right during the Dornish War. 480 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,040 He was concerned that the way the Dornish war ended might lead 481 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,120 to future rebellions or future unrest. 482 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:42,720 Well, it didn't really happen. Well, it did, but not during his 483 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,520 life. And that's why we're starting 484 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,560 off with this point of did Aegon just kind of kick the can down 485 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,760 the road and let his descendants deal with these problems rather 486 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,000 than dealing them head on? Or were these problems just kind 487 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,080 of fundamental? Were they going to happen one 488 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,160 way or the other? So if we're really looking at 489 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,720 this this cause and effect thing really getting into the weeds, 490 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,720 then perhaps the defeat Endor did set the stage for rebellions 491 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,720 against anies and and Megor. Well, maybe not Megor, but 492 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,920 anies, just not Aegon so and maybe that wouldn't have 493 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,560 happened if Aegon hadn't lost endorne. 494 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,440 Maybe Anies would have had an easier time of it. 495 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,640 It's an interesting question. It's also, I want to point out 496 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,240 there's other factors other than like it's not just rule well or 497 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,360 set things up for your legacy. Yeah, it's which things to 498 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,000 manage while you're ruling that may or might not be prompt or 499 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,640 like I say like maybe he could have done certain things while 500 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,360 he was ruling to set things better up for his kids to rule. 501 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,800 But that might have been at the expense of dealing with other 502 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,640 things at the time that he was ruling. 503 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,640 So it's it's really complicated to analyze all that. 504 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,080 Yeah, there's no road map to what makes a successful king of 505 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,920 all Westeros. I mean, there isn't one for King 506 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,680 of Anywhere any book, so why would there be one for this? 507 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,520 To whatever extent there is a quote UN quote road map, it's a 508 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,120 more developed road map, 3 or 4 reigns in than the first one, 509 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:55,160 yeah. That's very true. 510 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,840 So he had settled the unsettled regions well prior to the first 511 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,480 Ornish War. Remember we talked about that 512 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,600 the Sisters, the Iron Islands, the places that weren't quite 513 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,560 adjusted to his rule, had to be dealt with. 514 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,920 And then the First Dornish War happened. 515 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,840 And after that it was time for Westeros to reap the rewards of 516 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,680 living under a very strong and mostly benevolent ruler. 517 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,160 And by that I mean someone that wasn't like chopping lots of 518 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,040 heads off and he was generally doing justice. 519 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,320 And yes, obviously Dornish opinions aside, he was very 520 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,040 popular in part, as we said last time, thanks to Rainey send her 521 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:35,360 clever use of song and and music and things like that to prop up 522 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:39,000 the conquest and prop up their personalities and just make good 523 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,640 things said about them. And of course it doesn't need to 524 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,520 be said, but I will say it again that there was just no question 525 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,680 about taking him on directly in war. 526 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,600 So we've said many times in the show there's hard power and soft 527 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000 power. And of course, soft power is 528 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,480 more on the docket today because again, Aegon fought 0 more wars 529 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,960 during his life. He never had to do more than 530 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,400 threaten or just show up or remind people that Valerian 531 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,120 exists and that was enough. But consider how often peace 532 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,240 speaking historically, in real world or not, is just a matter 533 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,240 of coincidence. Meaning sometimes the world just 534 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,760 hasn't birthed a person with sufficient power and ambition 535 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,200 and military strength to start something that's like a soft 536 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,520 piece. The kind of soft piece where 537 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,560 things worked out. A. 538 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,160 Hard piece is what we have with Aegon. 539 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,760 It's no coincidence that people aren't going to war with each 540 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,880 other. The worst Lannister of all time 541 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,320 could have become Lord of Casterly Rock during Aegon the 542 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,080 Conquest, Aegon the Conqueror's reign. 543 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,480 But if such a man existed, they would have had to reckon with 544 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,440 him. Go. 545 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,800 If that person had been born 100 years before, they would have 546 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,880 run wild, wreaking havoc, causing untold suffering, 547 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,760 torturing people in Casterly Rock. 548 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,680 Just that you name it. And again, we're imagining the 549 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,520 worst Lannister of all time. This is a made-up person. 550 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,840 But if Vagon the Conqueror existed, well, they they could 551 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,240 have still tortured people in Casterly Rock. 552 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,680 But they're not out. They couldn't go out there 553 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,400 conquering and leading armies place to place and just doing 554 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,120 that. That would have been stopped and 555 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,600 stopped easily. So yeah, that kind of thing is 556 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,320 not going to happen during the Dragon's peace. 557 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,000 And that state of affairs lasted as long as he did. 558 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,760 He employed many things to make that happen. 559 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,360 The first of which we'll discuss is the hidden strategies of the 560 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,200 royal progress. We briefly discussed Aegon's 561 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,280 policy of royal progress is back in the Dragons interim episode 562 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,560 because we weren't sure if if they had started yet. 563 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,200 We're pretty sure they did, but now we're sure this was a main 564 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,600 strategy and it had many benefits. 565 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,360 Quote. Gull Town and the Erie, 566 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,280 Harrenhal River Run, Lanisport and Casterly Rock, Crake Hall, 567 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,800 Old Oak, High Garden, Old Town, The Arbor, Horn Hill, Ashford, 568 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,640 Storms End and even Fall Hall had the honor of hosting His 569 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:02,040 Grace many times, but Aegon could and would turn up almost 570 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,640 anywhere, sometimes with as many as 1000 Knights and Lords and 571 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,960 ladies in his train. He journeyed thrice to the Iron 572 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,360 Islands, twice to Pike and once to Great. 573 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:17,960 WIC spent a fortnight at Sisterton in a 19 AC and visited 574 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,960 the N 6 times, holding court thrice in White Harbor, twice at 575 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,040 Barrowton and once at Winterfell on his very last royal progress 576 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,920 in 33. AC It is better to forestall 577 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,560 rebellions than to put them down. 578 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,160 Aegon famously said when asked the reason for his journeys. 579 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,400 It's a bit cryptic though, because yes, that statement I 580 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,280 agree with. It's pretty straightforward. 581 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,240 In terms of the logic there. Yes, it seems definitely better 582 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,960 to forestall rebellions than to put them down. 583 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,760 But how? How exactly does a royal 584 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,080 progress forestall A rebellion? He spent half his reign on the 585 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,560 road. It really shows that this was 586 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,760 important to him. There was a lot of work to get 587 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,560 people to accept the new state of affairs. 588 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,840 And not only did he not want them to rebel, he didn't want 589 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,360 them to make the mistake of thinking they had a chance. 590 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,480 You know, he doesn't even want them to. 591 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,000 Just like, look, I'm going to crush you. 592 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,640 I've got Valerian. Visenya has Vegar. 593 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,320 You have no hope. Don't even try. 594 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,800 He doesn't want them to think that they have a chance, so he 595 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,840 wants to make sure that they're not stupid enough to try. 596 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,880 Like, he knows it's dumb to try. Most people know it's dumb to 597 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,440 try, but do they know that? That's the that's the question 598 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,600 that really needs to be answered. 599 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Nina mentions the contrast to the historical king of the 600 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,480 Trident, Theo Teague, who was derisively referred to as Theo 601 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,720 saddle sore because he spent his reign on horseback not to go on 602 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,640 goodwill trips, but to put down near constant rebellions. 603 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,520 Now that it sounds like Theo had near constant rebellions to deal 604 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,080 with while Aegon was more doing due diligence, I don't think he 605 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,840 was constantly putting down rebellions. 606 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,440 Nevertheless, it is a very strong parallel, especially 607 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,720 because we're talking about some of the same places here. 608 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,640 Theo Teague ruled the Riverlands and Aegons right next to the 609 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,760 Riverlands. We even several of the ones 610 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,320 mentioned on that list were Riverlands are nearby, Heron 611 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,960 Hall and River Run were specifically mentioned. 612 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,680 And then there's some spots in the region and the West that are 613 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,760 close by to the Riverlands as well and the Vale. 614 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,080 And it's it's a real world thing too. 615 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,440 There's lots of examples of conquerors who spent huge 616 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,760 amounts of their reign in the saddle or on campaign. 617 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,680 Marcus Aurelius, famous philosopher, emperor of of Rome, 618 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,920 doesn't sound like the kind of guy that would be in the saddle 619 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,080 a lot but he was he was in the saddle a huge amount of his 620 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,240 reign. He just a lot of those 621 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,520 philosophical musings were written in his tent. 622 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,240 Of course it was a fancy imperial tent, but it's it's a 623 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,200 lot less fancy than you know, this Imperial Villa or whatever 624 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,360 he would be in. I don't even know, but it would 625 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,480 be a lot fancier than whatever he would have on campaign. 626 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,160 So yeah, and like Richard the Lionheart lived, hardly spent 627 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:54,240 any time in England, let alone you know, living there were 628 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,000 having peace there. He was constantly moving around 629 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,840 in Europe and all that. So this is, this is a pretty 630 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,480 normal thing historically speaking, maybe not common but 631 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,800 but plenty of examples and was showing up with huge crowds of 632 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,440 courtiers. Egan was making the unspoken 633 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,320 point that he had tremendous buy in, right. 634 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,960 All these people are supporting him and the commoners love to 635 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,960 see him. They're like, well, if we're 636 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,280 going up against this guy, he's popular. 637 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,760 Like even our own people might turn against us if we go against 638 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,760 this guy, let alone the difficulty of going against him 639 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,160 in the 1st place for military reasons. 640 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560 So it really reminds people just how popular he is. 641 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,120 Wherever he goes, that's a pretty big deal. 642 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,960 Like, yeah, you don't want to go up against someone that's that 643 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,280 popular. Another piece to it is bringing 644 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,640 1000 Knights and Lords and ladies with him just to say, 645 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,280 hey, what's up, let's have dinner. 646 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,200 What if he was coming for battle? 647 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,560 You know, like it's it's it demonstrates a mobility of 648 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,880 forces because it's sure you can fly in with Valerian and maybe 649 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,080 burn up the fields or burn my castle, but you can't take over 650 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,280 my land. You couldn't get Dorned even 651 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,280 right? But when you can show up with 652 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,320 1000 soldiers, that is like I could have the Dragons and 1000 653 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,560 soldiers or more, right? It's it's a full force, and you 654 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,600 would so rather this force be on your side than be against you. 655 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,480 Absolutely. It's multifaceted. 656 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,200 It's you. It's showing off the the 657 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,280 strength of his court and the strength of his army and the 658 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,440 strength of his dragon and his popularity. 659 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,800 Of loyalty. Yeah, it's a really. 660 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,360 It's a really powerful in that sense. 661 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,920 Any Lord who's having any sort of second thoughts or like 662 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,800 thoughts of maybe going against that would be like, OK, never 663 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,120 mind that's just too much. I can't possibly how can I go 664 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,160 against even one of these factors let alone all of them at 665 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,920 once. This was what Aaron whore 666 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,920 learned. It's like no, I can go against 667 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,960 that. No you can't. 668 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,040 And you didn't even really get close to stop like you lost 669 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,160 badly. And yeah, it shows off Valerian 670 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,760 to more people who didn't get to see him. 671 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,680 That's important. Another reminder here and there 672 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,120 and it's almost worded in a way. How do you interpret this, Sean 673 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,480 and a Shay? If you feel like weighing in, 674 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,680 let me know. It says. 675 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,640 But Aegon could and would turn up almost anywhere. 676 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,080 It's almost like he's not letting them know very far in 677 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,360 advance, almost as if that's part of his strategy to just be 678 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,320 like, Aegon's stopped at Cray call. 679 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,080 Here we are. You know, let's say we're the 680 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,880 crag and we're like the Western's like, is he coming 681 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,800 here next? He's close. 682 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,000 He could come here next. We don't know. 683 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,400 He doesn't tell people. So, like, we better prepare just 684 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,080 in case he comes and then he does it and like, OK, whew, he 685 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360 doesn't come or he does come. And like, oh, we got to prepare 686 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,560 even more so. How do you take that? 687 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,840 Do you? Think that mean how do you 688 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,040 reinterpret that? I thought about that too. 689 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,440 And I I I feel like while there might be some value to turning 690 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:32,960 up by surprise that it might be more exciting or maybe again 691 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,480 sort of a demonstration of his capability that he could just 692 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,720 show up any time. But also I think it's, I think 693 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,360 that the unrealistic and unwise elements over overweight that 694 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,440 because to show up with all those forces they got to be fed 695 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,240 and they just want the the host wouldn't be ready for that. 696 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,960 And also to show up with all those forces it on. 697 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,920 Some of them might be sudden where you might expect a month 698 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,160 notice, but you only got 5 days notice. 699 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,720 But still like people just noticed all these troops 700 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,400 traveling across the field, they would see blaring in the sky. 701 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,440 There would be some warning, you know, even if he didn't directly 702 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,880 tell them, they would see it coming. 703 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,480 So, but again, maybe that does count as turning up with really 704 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,320 a weak point, yeah. Yeah, how long did? 705 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,840 How far ahead did Robert have to tell Ned that he was coming? 706 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,960 That's exactly what I was going to say. 707 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,800 Ned was a little caught off guard by that. 708 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,560 He was like, oh, like he's coming here like, oh, but that 709 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,480 was still like. With they had yes, because it. 710 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,920 Takes that long. And then that was what they 711 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,120 said. They're like, OK, we have time 712 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,639 because they're traveling in a wheelhouse and it's really slow. 713 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,120 But he was still Ned was still frustrated. 714 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,639 He was like, damn, I needed more, you know? 715 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,719 I needed more time and more warning and it was like, I think 716 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,199 it's the first time Ned gets upset. 717 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:42,520 It's and it's only a little bit. But it's like it's it's a it's 718 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,080 foreshadowing Ned's relationship with Robert. 719 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,719 Or what What's already what's already developed long in the 720 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,639 past but is new to audiences that you know, Robert's nothing 721 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,040 like Ned. And and the sort of lack. 722 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,800 Of planning and stuff like that is kind of a hallmark of of him 723 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,680 and what Ned is getting pulled into by being made hand. 724 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,960 Here's. The the way I interpret it, more 725 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,160 so now, it still might mean that he turned up with less notice 726 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,600 than you might expect, but I think it meant more that he 727 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,360 would turn up in places you wouldn't expect you would 728 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,920 expect. If he went. 729 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,400 To Highgarden Old Town Winterfell Da Da Da. 730 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,520 But he was going to Barrowtown. He was going to a lot of other 731 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,280 like secondary, tertiary, Tarth and. 732 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,440 Craycall and yeah like these aren't huge names. 733 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,240 They're big but not huge and and and it's a lot of effort to go 734 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:33,080 to to go to even Fall hall. That's Tarth. 735 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,160 I mean that's an island. So he had to put all the that 736 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,480 1000 Knights in his court on ships and he presumably flew 737 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,160 Valerian, but everybody else had to take ship and all that. 738 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,800 So that's a pretty big deal, yeah. 739 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,080 And I think that is also. Valuable because it shows that 740 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,360 he's not just, I don't know what were you sucking up or butting 741 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,760 up to all the he's. Like everyone? 742 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,320 Everyone is part of Westeros, the whole realm, anyone? 743 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,600 The other important thing here is it says. 744 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,000 Sometimes with as many as 1000 Knights and Lords like I think 745 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,240 sometimes. He He traveled. 746 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,320 You know, he kept it tight and he, he didn't have a huge, huge 747 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,360 royal progression and he just arrived on Valerian, 748 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,320 potentially. Oh yeah, that's a good point. 749 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,360 Sometimes he. Might just show up some somewhat 750 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,280 alone or just yeah, like I would, I would I. 751 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,920 Would guess, for example, that his visit to Tarth to Evenfall 752 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,040 Hall was kept smaller for the same reason that you said that 753 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,600 he had to load everyone onto a ship and take him over there 754 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,240 because he also went to Sisterton. 755 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,160 I would guess it was in the. Arbor Other. 756 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,720 Islands that would be, yeah. OK that's a very good point. 757 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,880 Now it also says in that quote that some of those are it's. 758 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,320 It says some of those locations were visited quote many times 759 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,200 which that's. I don't know what how to 760 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,040 interpret many, but at least three. 761 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,240 More than two, you know it's not two. 762 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,600 You know what I like to interpret? 763 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,400 From that. Those were good hosts. 764 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,400 Those were good hosts. Like they? 765 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,120 Serve. They got good food there. 766 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,720 Yeah, he just. Loves their the, the. 767 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,560 Fish and it tarth, you know, and we have to. 768 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,640 Look at patterns. Here one of them is they're 769 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,000 mostly not in the Crown lands. Like he wasn't going, It's not 770 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,280 mentioned. Driftmark isn't mentioned, like 771 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,880 there's there's not much of this and the storm lands. 772 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,040 It gets mentioned where you know he's already got loyalty there. 773 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,200 You know Storm's End is there but of course he's got to visit 774 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,280 Ori's from time to time. That's that's kind of 775 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,400 straightforward. But yeah it seems like most of 776 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,280 these were farther out and there's some that like you said 777 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,440 Sean are a little bit obscure and maybe not that you would 778 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,760 expect. It's mostly big places far from 779 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,440 King's Landing. All four of the cities are 780 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,680 mentioned, meaning the non King's Landing city cause of 781 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,880 course he wouldn't go into royal progress to his own city, you 782 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,960 know, like he would be he could just walk out his front door if 783 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,720 he wants to be seen, you know, it's like hey everybody, I'm 784 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,520 still here you know so that's interesting and and Nina reminds 785 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,360 us to look at places that aren't mentioned, which we can't read 786 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,840 too much into that because they're not all mentioned. 787 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,960 There's places he went to that just aren't mentioned, but still 788 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,960 there's an awful lot unmentioned. 789 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,120 So there's got to be some that might have gotten snubbed even 790 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,840 if we aren't sure who they are. But Sean, you mentioned 791 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,960 Barrowton and so does Nita. That's a really interesting one 792 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,000 because they're not a true city in the in Barrowton, but it is 793 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,160 large. It's probably one of the next 794 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:17,280 top 10 sized locales in terms of population, one of the closest 795 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,400 thing to being a city. So that's important that he went 796 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,800 there twice, and he went to White Harbor three times, but he 797 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,000 didn't go to Winterfell till his last progress. 798 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,280 And so, well, what does that mean? 799 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:33,480 Let's consider that it's a great test case for us to look at. 800 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,720 Now. We don't know when Tauren Stark, 801 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,800 the Last King of the North, died. 802 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,160 It might have been around that time. 803 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,840 Maybe that's why Aegon thought it necessary to finally make a 804 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,840 visit up there. Or maybe Tauren died well before 805 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,040 that, and it was Brandon the Boisterous that was in charge. 806 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,560 Now we've covered all these Starks in our Under the Dragons 807 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,200 series, under the Dragons of the North series, and let's not 808 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,680 forget that the Stark sons were very unhappy with the kneeling. 809 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,240 They were unhappy with it to the point that they discussed 810 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,880 rebellion against their father, not necessarily against Aegon, 811 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,160 though if they had rebelled against their father 812 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,320 successfully, that would have probably been the next step that 813 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,320 that. Didn't come to pass. 814 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,240 Of course. And some of them formed a cell 815 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,240 sort company and went off and did their own thing elsewhere. 816 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,000 And they they were they protested the marriage of their 817 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,920 sister to Ronald Aaron as well this this marriage arranged by 818 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,960 Rainey's. So there's a lot of discontent 819 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,120 here. So I think maybe we can maybe we 820 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,280 can tie these things together and and think maybe Aegon was 821 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,160 reminding the Lord of Winterfell that hey, I can, I'm popular in 822 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,560 Barrington. I'm popular in White Harbor. 823 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,400 If you start stuff with me, your own people might not take your 824 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,200 side. You know, I'm getting in close 825 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,840 with the Mandelees. I got a lot I can offer the 826 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,240 Mandelees, and they worship the the Seven Gods. 827 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,240 So in some ways we have more in common with them than you do. 828 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,600 Are you sure they're that loyal to you when it's us in the 829 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,120 balance, right? Things like that. 830 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,640 So maybe so. Point being, a change in 831 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,280 leadership at Winterfell might be the reason why Eggon finally 832 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,040 went to Winterfell. It might not. 833 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,240 It might be some other reason. He might just yeah, who knows. 834 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,440 But I think that's a it's a strong gas in my opinion. 835 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,720 One thought Is that he? Might have known his presence in 836 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,520 Winterfell would cause trouble. Yes, I agree even. 837 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:14,400 If the. Moment. 838 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,160 He's there. They all like Yes Sir, and do 839 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,000 what they're told, but he still might feel like it's going to 840 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,040 make things hard on torn Stark rubs it in their faces a bit. 841 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,840 Maybe right. And or maybe he knew Torrance 842 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,400 Stark was loyal. I don't. 843 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,520 I'm not worried about making sure Winterfell falls in line. 844 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,040 They're in line. I don't know about baritone. 845 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,280 I don't know about White Harbor. I need to make sure these places 846 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,960 fall in line. I already know I've got Torrance 847 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,800 Stark and Winterfell. Like, I could see either of 848 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,480 those. I could too. 849 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,600 Yeah, I. Agree with that. 850 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,600 Yeah. So those are good thoughts and I 851 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,080 think that that's probably it. Yeah, like if one of those 852 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,120 Lords, one of the ones that was pushing for a rebellion or 853 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,640 discontent, if that guy became Lord, well, that's a that's a 854 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,280 pretty obvious red flag potential. 855 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,920 But if it's still Tor and I agree, then what's he worried 856 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,600 about? So let's get further into how 857 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,000 royal progress has helped keep the peace. 858 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,600 It's one to just what we've seen so far is, is a little bit of 859 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,840 intimidation. Maybe making friends helps like 860 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,720 doing the honor of coming to us like some some houses are take a 861 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,360 lot of pride in being visited by the king and that alone would 862 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,560 raise their esteem and be like, you know, this King's all right. 863 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,200 You know, I wasn't sure about him, but he did US. 864 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,040 He did good by us and I'm on his side it some, you know, that's 865 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,560 the, that's the thing with pride, right? 866 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,240 Sometimes a small, relatively small gesture can flip the whole 867 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,160 thing on its on its head. Like you, you go from really mad 868 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,680 at someone to OK, you're all right by me because you treated 869 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,400 me well. My pride is a swage now. 870 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,960 I feel good about it, and I think a lot of these visits did 871 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,200 that exact thing. But that can't be all of it. 872 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,160 That can't cover every single Lord and lady. 873 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,720 That can't cover every scenario. But it is harder to go with. 874 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,840 Go to war with someone that you've gotten to know. 875 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,760 Unless, of course, you've gotten to know them and you hate them. 876 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,600 It's beyond that too, though. There's a value in bringing 877 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,800 another value that other than what we've already mentioned to 878 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,320 bringing this big host with them. 879 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,760 Because not only does Aegon and whatever Lord is he visiting 880 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,920 create some sort of bond, but all the the master at arms and 881 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,000 the the the stable boys and the the the soldiers and Knights, 882 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,600 they're all going to interact. You know, both both his host and 883 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,960 the hosts, you know, staff and everything, They're all going to 884 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,760 have connections and bonds and communications as well. 885 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,160 They're going to share stories and secrets and just think about 886 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,640 whatever, like you know, Robert or Ned or Aegon or whoever, they 887 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,840 still have like a council and a family, all these other people 888 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,640 under them that they have to account for the opinions of. 889 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,320 And so you would like to get all of them on board, right. 890 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,240 When Aegon shows up with his host, he doesn't only go into a 891 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,240 secret room with the Lord, he meets with all the other family 892 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,480 members and staff and all of his staff meets with all their 893 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,920 staff. And it's all this is kind of 894 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,200 bringing Westeros closer together and make it less likely 895 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,240 for them to go fight each other. Well, let's just have the next 896 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:53,440 quote, then we'll. Go forward from there. 897 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,680 Let's let's read further to get a little deeper into what answer 898 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,920 we're looking for here. Quote much of every. 899 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,200 Royal progress was given over to Feasts and Balls and Hogs and 900 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,320 Hawking, as every Lord attempted to outdo the others in splendor 901 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,120 and hospitality. But Aegon also made a point of 902 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,120 holding court wherever he might travel, whether from a Deus in 903 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:21,160 some great Lord's castle or a mossy stone in a farmer's field, 904 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,640 6 Maesters travelled with him to answer any questions he might 905 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,600 have on local law, customs, and history, and to make note of 906 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,440 such decrees and judgments as His grace might hand down. 907 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,520 So yeah, there's the honor. There's the presence but. 908 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,080 What else? Happens to a Lord when they have 909 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,280 to host Aegon a trail of huge nights, valerian and whoever 910 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,040 else comes along. Extreme expense is what happens. 911 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,760 That costs a lot, especially given the above note about Lords 912 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,880 trying to outdo each other. I mean, damn, what is Casterly 913 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,920 Rock, High Garden and Old Town trying to outdo each other? 914 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,040 Look like the obscenities of excess there would be just off 915 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,880 the chain the Valyrian steel chain. 916 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,840 And this is somewhat exaggerated. 917 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,560 It just has to be because clearly the Lord of Cray call to 918 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,960 keep using them as an example wasn't trying to outdo Casterly 919 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,840 Rock. Like, that's just not feasible. 920 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,160 Unless the Lannisters were randomly deciding to be penny 921 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,280 pinching, which seems very unlikely, right? 922 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,480 And even then then what? Are you going out to Highgarden 923 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,000 and Old Town when you're Craig called? 924 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000 No, you're just not. They're just, they're just so 925 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,280 vastly more wealthy than you. So maybe they're more like do a 926 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,440 good job, do something creative, or just not be remembered as the 927 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,800 the, the weak one. You know, like I remember all 928 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,960 the different nights, like you said, it's not just about Aegon, 929 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,880 all these different people that are in his court, They're going 930 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,280 from place to place. Some of them are making friends, 931 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,800 some of them are maybe making enemies, but they're going to 932 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,800 get back to King's Landing and talk about all these places they 933 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,000 visited and the best and the worst are going to be gossiped 934 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,640 about. Some will kind of be forgotten. 935 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,360 Some. Some of these lesser Lords might 936 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,440 not mind being forgotten, but they don't want to be made fun 937 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:00,920 of. They don't want. 938 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,840 Because again, pride, pretty big deal amongst these folks. 939 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,560 Bigger than you might think. In some ways it's like high 940 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,600 school gossip, you know? But that's whatever works as a 941 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,400 as a analogy and Sean to build on what you were saying too. 942 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640 I really like that example because it's again something we 943 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,600 see extremely early in the story. 944 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,120 The royal progress of sorts that Robert and Cersei and all them 945 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,920 take to Winterfell includes exactly that. 946 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,000 Now we don't see a lot of them getting along, but we know that 947 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,320 that could have happened. For example Rob and Joffrey are 948 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,600 practicing swords in the yard and that does not go 949 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,280 particularly well. It's meant to be foreshadowing 950 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,440 that they're going against each other in war. 951 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,920 It meant it was meant to even be even bigger foreshadowing cause 952 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,080 George's original plan was for Joffrey to lead the armies and 953 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,600 they would have been more directly opposed to each other 954 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,240 in the field. Obviously that didn't happen but 955 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,600 still people could have been making friends and it didn't 956 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,400 have to be a rivalry. They could have gotten along, 957 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,200 you know and in some cases that would happen like the the sun 958 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,720 like perfect example that is Theon getting along really well 959 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,920 with Patrick Malister. The Malisters and the Greyjoys 960 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,280 are like diametrically opposed. They're like supposed to be 961 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,920 enemies. Patrick's father even reminds 962 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,640 him of that. He's like, you remember? 963 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,600 You know he's Ironborn, right? Like that dude, I know he's your 964 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,960 friend, but don't forget where he came from and where we come 965 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,120 from. We're the maoisters. 966 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,760 We our castle. It was built to defend against 967 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,840 the Ironborn. We are the Ironborn stoppers of 968 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,320 the region. So like, be careful with that, 969 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,160 you know the warning. Comes but the bond. 970 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,320 Still comes too. And. 971 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,800 And and you also see Tyrion and Jon have Bond. 972 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,040 And yeah, good point. And you don't see too much of A 973 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,480 bomb. But you know Sansa and Brandon, 974 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,360 whoever and all of Jaime Lannister showing up and and you 975 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,560 got to imagine we're seeing these featured characters. 976 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,640 But you know, there's got to be that type of interaction 977 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,840 happening among dozens and dozens of other people. 978 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,600 Yes, I totally agree. Yeah. 979 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,560 So it's it's really does have a it's really a long list of 980 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,800 interactions and people and connections and there's all 981 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,480 sorts of room for relationships and and anger and intrigue all 982 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,400 sorts of things. So yeah it it's really 983 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,440 interesting to consider and all the possibilities it's it's a 984 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,360 grand grand arrangement and lots of lots of different moving 985 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,640 parts. So yeah, how are you going to 986 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,960 raise any kind of hell though afterwards? 987 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,600 How are you going to rebel after spending all that money on the 988 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,760 king and all his Knights and his dragon and all that. 989 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,560 So it's it's almost like that's a great example of soft power. 990 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,440 You're coming to party and hang out and do you honor, but then 991 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,440 afterwards you won't be able to afford to cause problems, so 992 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,600 the. Resources. 993 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,480 That you might have spent, you know, if there was something you 994 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,520 were frustrated with Aegon over and you were contemplating 995 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,960 raising an army, making a stand, refusing to pay taxes. 996 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,720 And to do that you would need to like equip some soldiers and put 997 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,520 some horses on the field. But now you just all that. 998 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,160 You just spent that all up at this great feast that everyone 999 00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,440 enjoyed, and so now you don't have the resources and people 1000 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,360 aren't motivated to go against Aegon now. 1001 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,960 So yeah, and it's the same thing. 1002 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,840 The Pride enters the equation in a very similar way. 1003 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,720 Just like they don't want to lose in a battle, they don't 1004 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:13,720 want to lose in this contest of outdoing each other for prestige 1005 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:16,440 into entertaining the king. Again, the lesser houses aren't 1006 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,800 really in this contest, but Old Town, Highgarden, Lanisport, all 1007 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,640 these places are like we want to be the one that gets known. 1008 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,120 Like Tywin Lannister. Good example of showing off our 1009 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,720 spending lots of money shows our power, 'cause it shows we can 1010 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:34,720 afford to spend a lot of money. It proves that we can do that. 1011 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,240 It isn't just talk, it reminds people that this isn't just a 1012 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:38,600 rumor, that we have tons of money. 1013 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,360 No, we really do have tons of money and we're going to prove 1014 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,960 it here. And how much better is? 1015 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,480 It for them to be using their their money and their proof of 1016 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,040 their power and such by making a a painting and a tapestry and a 1017 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,000 a a jeweled necklace and you know, works of art rather than 1018 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,280 equipping soldiers to go fight and destroy, you know, I agree. 1019 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,600 Yeah, it's. It's it's very smooth. 1020 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,320 I think it's it's political aikido at its finest. 1021 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,440 You've heard the cliche, turning a weakness into a strength. 1022 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,080 This is turning a strength into a weakness. 1023 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,840 Or turning a strength into a different kind of strength. 1024 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,120 Turning a strength into a thing that isn't a threat. 1025 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,000 Turning it into a a strength for the realm rather than a value. 1026 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,440 Turning it into a value. Value very well said. 1027 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,280 Good said. You want to take pride in 1028 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,840 showing off your wealth? Well then, go for it. 1029 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:25,160 Have. A. 1030 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,760 By all means do it. Just don't show it off and buy 1031 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,480 buying lots of armor and putting armies. 1032 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,480 In the field. Do it, yeah. 1033 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,640 Do it the other way. And Nina says, of course this, 1034 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,760 this can go two ways. The gnostic hereditary monarchy, 1035 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,440 as the Targaryens had established for their for their 1036 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,240 new state, means the personal is inherently political. 1037 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,120 If you're friends with the king, political favors are going to 1038 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,040 follow, right? So the better chance you have to 1039 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,880 angle for those things, the better your party is. 1040 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,240 The better your tournament is, the better, the more chance you 1041 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:56,360 have to like, ask for a favor or do have quote UN quote one a 1042 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,800 favor if you please the king. Easy. 1043 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,160 Probably going to do you a favor. 1044 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,040 And the favor for Meg on the Conqueror is going to be worth 1045 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,720 unbelievable amounts. You know, like it could be a tax 1046 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,840 write off, a tax concession or a a new tract of land or 1047 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:11,920 something. Just something massively 1048 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,480 valuable. And again I want to point out. 1049 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,400 Other favors could be one from the other people and and the 1050 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,440 entourage. You could someone could give you 1051 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,040 some advice on how to plow your wheat fields better or the 1052 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,200 armorers could exchange notes on how they get this deal harder or 1053 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,320 shaped and etcetera etcetera. There's so many other exchanges 1054 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,680 of ideas or favors that could be other than just Aegon and the 1055 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,000 Lord. There's all these other people 1056 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,320 interacting that can give and get favors from each other, His 1057 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,320 counsel, His. Knight Yeah, you're totally 1058 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,960 right. Like, I'm like, some people may 1059 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,200 not be that powerful, but they might have access to Aegon, 1060 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,120 which gives them something of value to people that are more 1061 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,680 powerful than them. No wonder he went to the Iron 1062 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,800 Islands three times, right? There's it's they're one of the 1063 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,720 most discontent of all right. Aegon will mostly allows and 1064 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:54,600 customs allow laws and customs to remain in place. 1065 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,480 He doesn't try to change that too much, but the old way kind 1066 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,080 of had to go right, The reaving. You can't do that. 1067 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,080 Actually, he did allow them to keep reaving outside of the 1068 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,720 Seven Kingdoms. You just can't reave in his 1069 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:07,440 realm. Like, no reaving your fellow 1070 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,640 members of the Seven Kingdoms. Reeves, Sothorios and Essos. 1071 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,120 Yeah, I'm not going to say no to that. 1072 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,440 And remember that point earlier I made about, well, they can't 1073 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,360 beat Aegon, but do they know they can't beat Aegon? 1074 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,320 And the Iron Islands are the number one in that sort of 1075 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,080 thinking of no, we can do it. No, really, we can win. 1076 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,800 We really can. Palon, Greyjoy, all these guys 1077 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,120 tried all these things that just were never going to work. 1078 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,360 Or at least not in the long. Term. 1079 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,400 But they, you know, they just kept trying. 1080 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,120 They did their thing. So it's reminding the captains 1081 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,440 that Valerian exists as much as it is reminding the Lords 1082 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,120 Valerian. Things are a little different in 1083 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,160 the Iron Islands, right? And remember how easily Valerian 1084 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,360 dispatched Heron's sons in their long ships after the Battle of 1085 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,280 Wailing Widows? Which would be very on the nose 1086 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,720 for the iron bars, like long ships, Ironborn, Valerian. 1087 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,840 What he did to them. Yeah, OK. 1088 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,000 It was easy, wasn't it? Remember that they they 1089 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,880 successfully raided Aegon at night and then fled back across 1090 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,440 the God's eye to get back to Harrenhal. 1091 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,400 But they didn't make it before dawn. 1092 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,600 And once the sun came, that was it for them. 1093 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,920 They were literal toast. That's something with the iron. 1094 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,120 Islands one their, I don't know, Arrogance and disconnectedness 1095 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,680 and different set of morals and their their distance all 1096 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,000 combined. Not only might they have it in 1097 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,560 their mind that Aegon can't stop us, but also Aegon's nowhere 1098 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,520 near us. And even if eventually Aegon 1099 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,400 does go stop them, in the meantime the people Westeros are 1100 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,680 being reeved on right? He's got to remind them 1101 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,280 consistently, right? Like if he goes a couple years 1102 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,440 in a row without making a show, someones going to get it in 1103 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,400 their mind, even aside from the whoever the Lord of the Iron 1104 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,440 Islands is at the time, just random captains just decided to 1105 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,240 go reaving and he's got to keep that reminder in place. 1106 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:56,280 Hell, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's. 1107 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,800 Very well said as well. And to be fair, though, this may 1108 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,720 have been a little more due diligence than a legitimate 1109 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,120 threat. Because Lord Vicon, Lord Greyjoy 1110 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:10,920 was very smart about Aegon. He was like, no, don't challenge 1111 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,120 that guy like he he wasn't one of these foolish types to think 1112 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,600 they had some sort of chance. He told his son Lord, who became 1113 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,400 Lord Goran in the year 33 AC don't challenge the Dragons. 1114 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,480 And that advice held until the Red Kraken, which is much later. 1115 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,880 And then after the dance of course they were free. 1116 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,800 They pretty much never stopped except for here and there for a 1117 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,240 little while. But once the actual Dragons 1118 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:36,480 were, the literal Dragons were gone. 1119 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,480 The Ironborn were like, hey, ships, we can get back out there 1120 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,520 and not worry about Dragons. So yeah, but this era under 1121 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,200 Aegon was the 1st true death of the old way in all of history 1122 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,080 besides before it existed. Which it couldn't die, but that 1123 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,880 which is dead may never die, so. How many? 1124 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,760 How many times did? Aegon go to Highgarden. 1125 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,360 It's many. Times. 1126 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,200 Many times, yeah. So we don't know. 1127 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,040 At least. Three. 1128 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,240 Probably more. Maybe five. 1129 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,520 I don't know. I'm gonna guess 5:00-ish because 1130 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,760 that's a place where. The rule might have been 1131 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,800 suspect, right? Well, the Tyrells are new to be 1132 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:12,520 there. The Tyrells? 1133 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,480 Yeah, So he wants to. Shore them up like the Tyrells 1134 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,440 are definitely loyal to Aegon because they're he. 1135 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,000 But the people around the Tyrells? 1136 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,800 Need the reminder, right? And so I I wonder if sometimes 1137 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,760 some of the reasons he might have gone to some places or 1138 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,960 another. I wonder if he's like, OK, 1139 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,640 Winterfell's good, I don't need to go there. 1140 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,440 I could trust. Torn. 1141 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,160 Hey Torn, where should I go? Who needs the reminder? 1142 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,320 And same thing with Vicon. He might have asked the Iron 1143 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,720 Islands, he might have been requested. 1144 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:40,920 Hey, can you please come and remind my stupid captains to not 1145 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,920 do stupid stuff like I'm on board with you? 1146 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,640 But it really helps for your dragon or mind every random 1147 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,120 captain in my multiple islands that I can't keep a handle on. 1148 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,360 Please come back again on board with you. 1149 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:52,800 Good. Good. 1150 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,680 Nautical pun. There. 1151 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,880 It's like, hey, hang on. I need you to come be my anchor, 1152 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,760 you know, be the wind in my sails. 1153 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,440 Yeah, the storm is brewing. You know, I need you to. 1154 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,920 I agree with that. Yeah. 1155 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,160 Some of the some of them may have requested it's like, look 1156 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,480 like Lord Tower. I could see that. 1157 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,160 Like it would look good to have us, like, sitting at the dais 1158 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,720 together, you know, laughing and joking together, toasting. 1159 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,240 Just to remind everyone that you stand with me, you know? 1160 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,560 And the Egan's like, yeah, OK, that makes sense. 1161 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,960 I was going to come anyway, but yeah, I'll, I'll come a little 1162 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,680 sooner. I almost wish George had. 1163 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,600 Included like a demonstration, like some old ship that they're 1164 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,680 retiring. Like can you get Valerian? 1165 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,000 Just like blow this out of the water? 1166 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,360 Just want to see it, you know? That's not a bad idea, yeah. 1167 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,800 Let's just just to see what it looks like just to light a fire, 1168 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,600 just so you can, just to warm, you know, just for the spectacle 1169 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,400 of it. Don't talk about what how it 1170 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,400 could be viewed by more warlike captains. 1171 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,280 Yeah, so. And and holding court is a 1172 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,640 pretty big power move, too. It's like normally the people of 1173 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,640 any given region are used to seeing their Lord and someone 1174 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,000 from that house, 'cause it's been so long that these houses 1175 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,280 tend to rule in their domains. They're with use of that Lord or 1176 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,160 someone from that house dealing out justice. 1177 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,720 When Aegon comes and everyone and everyone just defers to him 1178 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:11,800 instead, it's a real reminder to them and to that Lord where the 1179 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,280 power really lies. It's like these people have been 1180 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,880 mine. They're they're always mine, you 1181 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,960 know, before them when my father's or my mother's, 1182 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,640 whatever. But when Aegon shows up, they 1183 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,880 just all go to him, you know, just instantly. 1184 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,560 Like it's a pretty potent reminder of of where the power 1185 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,400 really lies. And let's not forget to what we 1186 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,280 discussed during the Dragons interim which was Aegon's policy 1187 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,480 of send me your children to be raised at court and to be 1188 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,520 hostages, which was in full and constant swing. 1189 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,080 A lot of these would be part of the royal progresses. 1190 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,200 They'd be a lot. They'd be those some of those 1191 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,720 Knights, those thousand Knights in their armor would be some of 1192 00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:54,480 them would be these young nobles from houses that sent their 1193 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,360 second, third, fourth sons and and daughters in some case. 1194 00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,200 Well, the daughters were would be pretty unlikely to be 1195 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,120 Knights, but you know what I mean? 1196 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,920 They'd still be there in the in the court in the progress a lot 1197 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,960 of times and someone would would have risen high in Aegon. 1198 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,720 Someone might have become friends with Visenya or you know 1199 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,880 what, trained with Oris Baratheon sons or something like 1200 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,160 that. You know, maybe even trained 1201 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,360 with Aenes or Megor. Yeah, like a lot of important 1202 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,840 folks that could have had an opportunity to to rise socially 1203 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,560 and as need to remind us the personal is the political in a 1204 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,600 monarchy. So there's a lot of power to 1205 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,000 being friends with the right people. 1206 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,160 And royal progress has continued until the year 33 by Aegon. 1207 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,400 Then they still continued. It just wasn't him gone anymore 1208 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,280 because he was too old. He he decided it was better for 1209 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:52,920 his health and for the future, for his son and daughter-in-law. 1210 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,240 Princess. The future? 1211 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,640 Well, she wasn't a Princess yet. She went straight from nothing 1212 00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:58,800 to queen. I don't think you become a 1213 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,560 Princess when you get married to a Prince, do you? 1214 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,080 Do you? I guess you do. 1215 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,480 I think so. Yeah, I guess you do She. 1216 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,680 Was a Princess. Princess Alyssa. 1217 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,200 I've just never seen her called Princess Alyssa, but I've seen 1218 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,120 her called Queen Alyssa and Alyssa, but I guess she would 1219 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,320 have been a Princess for a while there. 1220 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,760 Princess by marriage. So yeah, so there There are 1221 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,360 obviously a part of this too. Prince Amy and Queen Alyssa, our 1222 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,640 eventual Queen Alyssa, were part of these royal progresses 1223 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,640 eventually and eventually they ran them them themselves. 1224 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,400 Now, when he's holding court and discussing things and debating 1225 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,720 and and giving outlaws and making judgments, well, he has 1226 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,560 to keep in mind the laws of these various lands because, 1227 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,360 well, he wasn't trying to change a lot of laws. 1228 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,560 He left that for later rulers to sort of sort that business out, 1229 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,560 for better or for worse. And here's what the book says 1230 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,400 about that I just want to point out. 1231 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,560 That we do. This is an example here. 1232 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,920 A moment ago, what we were talking about of Aegon was 1233 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,080 looking to the future. He was trying to set things up 1234 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,320 past his own rule if these progressives start kept going 1235 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,120 past him, right? OK, that's true. 1236 00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,640 Yeah, it. Might not have panned out. 1237 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,320 Or is that his fault? I don't know. 1238 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,920 But it seems like he was trying to institutionalized this. 1239 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,720 Yeah, yeah, he knew. That changing too much too fast 1240 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,280 would be a problem. It doesn't mean he didn't 1241 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,920 eventually want it changed, Yeah. 1242 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,920 Anyway, let's have the quote a Lord should know. 1243 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,080 The land he rules, the Conqueror later told his son Aenes, and 1244 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,200 through his travels Aegon learned much and more about the 1245 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,680 Seven Kingdoms and its peoples. Each of the conquered kingdoms 1246 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,840 had its own laws and traditions. King Aegon did little to 1247 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,200 interfere with those. He allowed his Lords to continue 1248 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,120 to rule much as they always had, with all the same powers and 1249 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,800 prerogatives. The laws of inheritance and 1250 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,640 succession remained unchanged. The existing feudal structures 1251 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,040 were confirmed. Lords both great and small 1252 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,880 retained the power of Pitt and gallows on their own land and 1253 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,600 the privilege of the first night. 1254 00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,440 Wherever that custom had formerly prevailed. 1255 00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,120 Aegon's chief concern was peace. More on 1st. 1256 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,760 Night in a minute. That's a big topic. 1257 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,480 But the power of Pitt and Gallows to be clear. 1258 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,520 That just means they have the power of thrown people in jail 1259 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,720 and executing them. They have the legal right to do 1260 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,760 that based on the laws of the land and otherwise. 1261 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,920 You know, because the the state has to decide who is allowed to 1262 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,760 deal out justice and Aegon is the state. 1263 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,200 So he's like you guys have this law or this, right? 1264 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,920 You still have this right. Now one of the castles he 1265 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,520 visited that was nearby, I mean we talked about how so many of 1266 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,200 the ones listed were farther away were were rather remote 1267 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,760 like Craig Hall is the West Coast and the Arbor is almost as 1268 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,240 remote as you can get from King's Landing and the north 1269 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,360 equally so, but that he also went to some nearby places like 1270 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,400 River Run and he was close to the Tullys. 1271 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,040 Remember the Tullys were the first effectors from the 1272 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,000 Riverlands and they were rewarded. 1273 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,320 He Lord Edmund became hand after Lord Auris but only for two 1274 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,120 years because his wife died in child bed and he went back home 1275 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,200 to be with his family and all that. 1276 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,480 But more relevantly here is the second exception to close by 1277 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,640 castles. He also went to Harrenhal, and 1278 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,400 Harrenhal is a bit of a different scenario because of 1279 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,160 course Harrenhal had belonged to the horror family and he had to 1280 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,240 redistribute it to someone else, which was House Coharis, which 1281 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,000 we mentioned Lord Quentin Coharis, who had been probably 1282 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,080 his master at arms, if not his then his father's most likely. 1283 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,400 So a Valyrian, a person of Valyrian descent. 1284 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:29,200 Now Quentin Coharis died in nine AC, the same year that Edmund 1285 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,640 Tully resigned his hand. So this is well before the end 1286 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,760 of the first Ornish War. He he fell from his horse and 1287 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,800 died. Now falling from your horse is 1288 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,280 occasionally code for being murdered. 1289 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,280 It's like a hunting accident. It definitely could have just 1290 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,480 been a fall from people, absolutely die from horses. 1291 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,640 But think again of like Rey Royce from House of the Dragon. 1292 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,320 That's written off as a hunting as a fall from her horse. 1293 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,360 But we know that's not exactly what happened, is it? 1294 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,560 Again, that's not in the book, but she did die from a fall from 1295 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,520 her horse and that gave them license to consider it the 1296 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,080 option that it was a murder, because it's just code for that 1297 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,840 sort of thing. It's one of those things that, 1298 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,120 yeah, you can die from a fall from a horse, but it could 1299 01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,360 easily have been murder. So this is all the more 1300 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,120 suspicious because the man who took over for Lord Quentin was 1301 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,960 not one of his two sons, because they both died prematurely as 1302 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,640 well. Not sure if they were murdered 1303 01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,880 or not, but it just adds to the it's, it adds to the the 1304 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,240 suspicion here, doesn't it, Sean? 1305 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,080 So it leaves the door open for foul play. 1306 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,000 It definitely doesn't confirm it by any means. 1307 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,080 And taking his place was Lord Gargon the guest. 1308 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,000 This is definitely not a man you would put murder past like, Oh 1309 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,640 no, Lord Gargon. He's too nice of a man to murder 1310 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,680 his family. This was a horrifying man who 1311 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,040 would terrorize new brides and their families around his 1312 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,920 domains for the next 28 years, along with all the women in his 1313 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:58,000 all the serving women, and like women married to his own people. 1314 01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,320 He would just have his way with them, especially on their 1315 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,480 weddings. Hence the reference to first 1316 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,760 night, which is the right of a Lord to sleep with a bride 1317 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,040 before she gets married on her wedding night. 1318 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,880 This is probably not a thing that existed in the real world, 1319 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,720 though it's rumored to have, and there are some people that will 1320 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,280 tell you that it has, that it did exist. 1321 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,440 It's just not well documented. I don't know, but it was 1322 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,400 certainly featured in the movie Braveheart as a main early plot 1323 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,520 point. So it's certainly caught on as a 1324 01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,280 thing, whether it's historically accurate or not. 1325 01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,960 And and George probably is aware of that, but he found it as a 1326 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,280 useful thing to put in his world. 1327 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,800 But I think this is a pretty big oversight like Aegon's. 1328 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,760 Like I want to keep the peace, so I'm going to allow this. 1329 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,080 Thing that clearly. Causes discontent and and 1330 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,400 revenge and blood feuds and and does not keep the peace. 1331 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,760 How is it this guy got? Put in charge of this Gorgon 1332 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,520 Gargon. He's the Heron Hall. 1333 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,720 No, he's the he's the grandson. Of Lord Co Harris. 1334 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,560 Oh, he was. In line. 1335 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,440 Yeah. Remember, remember. 1336 01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,120 That's why. That's why it's suspicious that 1337 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,040 his both of his father and his brother were killed or died 1338 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,560 young and so passed on to to Gargan at a relatively young 1339 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,000 age. And yeah, he's a very greedy, 1340 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,360 very suspicious that his. Name was Gargon. 1341 01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,360 A very evil name, Gargon if his name was Gamgon. 1342 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,000 You wouldn't be worried as much. Yeah, you'd sound sweet. 1343 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,200 Or GAM Gok. Or or Gok. 1344 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,600 His name wasn't Mukduck his name. 1345 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:18,920 Wasn't mukduck. Yes, that's right. 1346 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,680 And the I mean. This brings back to the point I 1347 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,760 made. About the Ironborn, the old way 1348 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,400 was basically banned, right? No more carrying off women, but 1349 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,920 this is still OK. This is basically, well, you're 1350 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,720 not carrying them off, so it's OK Like what? 1351 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,360 That's a pretty small point to it's not really that big of a 1352 01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:39,800 differentiator, right? I mean. 1353 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,760 None other than. Allison herself, good queen. 1354 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,400 Allison points out later how blatant this is from a peace 1355 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,440 perspective, let alone honor and ethics and parental rights and 1356 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:51,880 such. I mean, all sorts of other 1357 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,040 problems besides the ethics of it, which alone is gigantic. 1358 01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,160 She basically says, what kind of man let's that happen to his 1359 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,480 wife? Come on, you Lords and you brave 1360 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,960 Knights and Lords of the Seven Kingdoms, what would you do if 1361 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,440 that happened to your wife? Be honest, they'd be like, yeah, 1362 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:08,880 I'd, I'd have to go kill the guy. 1363 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,480 Like, exactly our culture. Dictates that response. 1364 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,880 Yet how so? How is this supposed to help 1365 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,080 peace? It's a pretty blatant some 1366 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,320 crimes are forgivable by the mere passage of time, like 1367 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,880 against a family. Like if my great grandfather 1368 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:29,600 stole your horse, are you going to come at me 200 like 50 years 1369 01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,720 later for that? You might, but probably not. 1370 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,760 And if you did, it's probably because there were further 1371 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,440 crimes committed in the name of that it it became some sort of 1372 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,080 cycle of violence. But if that's the only thing 1373 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:40,880 that happened, the horse was stolen 50 years ago and nothing 1374 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,840 else has happened since then, I I think it's forgotten. 1375 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,360 But this, the first night business, someone coming on your 1376 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,840 wedding night and raping your wife, the family's going to 1377 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,400 remember that for a long effing time. 1378 01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,360 They won't and they will remember it violently and will 1379 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,160 want to do violence to the people who did that. 1380 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,760 It's just pretty blatant, right, You know? 1381 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,080 If you're trying to imagine. From Aegon's point of view, he's 1382 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,880 like, well, if I take this right away, these aren't common folk. 1383 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,800 I'm taking a right away from, which with the old way was 1384 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,320 taking away from both Lords and commoners to be, you know, it 1385 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,520 was taking away from the entire culture, like it was a good 1386 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,200 thing to take away. But still he was worried that 1387 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,360 they would go to war over it. And he's like, well, if I take 1388 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,800 this away from all these Lords, will they go to war with me over 1389 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,520 it? He he thought it was the lesser 1390 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,000 of two evils, I think, which is maybe hard to swallow, but I 1391 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,520 think that's maybe his angle. It's still perplexing to me. 1392 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,840 Because who is they like it. It say this Lord Gargon, you 1393 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,360 know Aegon takes us right away. And Lord Gargon's like what? 1394 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,880 You can't do that Call the banners every banner must be 1395 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,800 like no, I'm not fighting Valerian, yeah. 1396 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,280 What did we just go through when? 1397 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,000 I'm fighting Valerian. You raped my wife. 1398 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,040 Yeah. I'm not fighting for you. 1399 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,760 Yeah, like who is going to go fight for this guy? 1400 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,040 Yeah, yeah. So again. 1401 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,040 It is a little perplexing, like why they thought they had to 1402 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,560 keep that. I guess Aegon was just convinced 1403 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,800 of it somehow or it's pretty bad though. 1404 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,560 Yeah, he was letting them keep something that was pretty awful 1405 01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,160 but apparently. But here's another angle to it. 1406 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,160 It was more, more. It wasn't such a horrible thing 1407 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,000 on Dragonstone. It was more of a like a semi 1408 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,080 revered tradition. So maybe that was in it. 1409 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,640 Maybe Aegon thought other people thought that way too. 1410 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,600 He was just blind or naive about it. 1411 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,000 I don't know. It's hard to it's definitely 1412 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,880 hard to square, but maybe not impossible to square. 1413 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,400 But you don't obviously don't have to agree with it. 1414 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:18,680 I certainly don't. I know you don't. 1415 01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:20,720 Who would really? Very few people would. 1416 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,480 I think my best attempt is. It it's something that existed 1417 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,760 in theory that no one really did except. 1418 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:28,680 This guy? Really. 1419 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,960 Did, and maybe many people were barely aware it was brought to 1420 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,240 Aegon's attention, but it with all the stuff in his plate, he 1421 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,480 didn't have time for it. I mean, these things don't 1422 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,840 exactly justify it, but they make me understand how it could 1423 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,440 happen. I I have a hard time 1424 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,960 understanding how the scenario existed. 1425 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,880 That's my best attempt to understand how the scenario it 1426 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,400 doesn't make it OK, but I don't even understand how the scenario 1427 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,560 existed. So now Aegon may not have. 1428 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,200 Been worried about any of this. Like you said, he's not worried 1429 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,320 about him changing the laws to a point that they're going to come 1430 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,000 at him, and especially not to feed him. 1431 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,040 I don't think he's worried about that. 1432 01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:02,880 It's also not really in his personality to be worried about 1433 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,760 that he's not really someone who he doesn't act on fear, he he 1434 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,920 inspires fear, he doesn't really act on it on his own. 1435 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,320 But he had to keep his descendants in mind too. 1436 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,040 If we're looking at another angle here, he's like, well they 1437 01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,640 might not come after me for first night Banning, but what if 1438 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,479 I die tomorrow and my 8 year old son has to deal with this 1439 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,960 problem that that he's not going to be able to handle it even 1440 01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,880 even when 80s is older? It turns out he's not so capable 1441 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,040 of dealing with these problems, but he certainly wouldn't have 1442 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,960 been when when he was still recovering from the death of his 1443 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,319 mother and wasn't even an adult yet. 1444 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,439 So, Aegon. Had to keep that in mind. 1445 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:35,000 He's. Like, he's not. 1446 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,359 It's not just about what I can handle, it's what my descendants 1447 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,399 can handle, which maybe is an argument for him being the one 1448 01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:43,160 to to pull the bandage off so that he deals with it and not 1449 01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,319 them, right? So I I think maybe this is, 1450 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,920 maybe he did this one backwards. Maybe he shouldn't have let it 1451 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,279 live. Maybe he should have taken it 1452 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:55,200 head on while he, a strong personality, could deal with the 1453 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,399 fallout from it and not his descendants, because his 1454 01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:01,560 descendants, if he's being honest with himself, Well, are 1455 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,000 my descendants really going to be as strong and capable as me? 1456 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,319 Well, they're going to be my children. 1457 01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:08,000 Of course they are. But really, really, Aegon, Are 1458 01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,680 they really? Will they have a dragon as big 1459 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:10,840 as Valerian? Will they? 1460 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,200 Yeah. I don't know about that, man. 1461 01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,800 You're pretty special. So I don't know, I wonder how 1462 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,479 the? Ego of a really powerful man 1463 01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:18,920 works in that spot. Is this ego? 1464 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,920 Tell him that no no one will ever be as great as me, or 1465 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,120 because they're his children, his descendants. 1466 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,560 Does his ego cover that base too and says no, they're my 1467 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,120 children, they will be as great as me. 1468 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,319 Like I don't know how that kind of. 1469 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,760 I don't know how to work pride into ego and the the the mind of 1470 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,720 someone with such supreme authority and someone who moves 1471 01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,800 through life with such extreme privilege like that. 1472 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,080 I don't. Yeah, it's hard to put yourself 1473 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,800 in that mind. Which is why probably part of 1474 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,600 why George doesn't give us a lot of insight into his personality, 1475 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,279 because it would. It is a hard thing to nail down. 1476 01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,080 I want to back up to. One quick thing from that quote, 1477 01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:50,880 a Lord should know the Lancey rules. 1478 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,520 The conquer told us on Amy's da da da da da. 1479 01:09:53,080 --> 01:10:00,160 Another value of him traveling around with his court is not 1480 01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,680 only. That's what on the surface it 1481 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,800 seems to be saying you gotta learn about the people that 1482 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,440 you're ruling, just you should know their traditions or customs 1483 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:08,120 of people in different positions of power. 1484 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,640 You need to be familiar with it all. 1485 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:15,560 But also he can size up their capabilities, whether it's for 1486 01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,960 fear of having to quash rebellion or for how to employ 1487 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,680 them. If if we need to go to war with 1488 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,000 someone like, these guys have good ships, these guys have good 1489 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,680 fishing technology, these guys have what, you know, good 1490 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,360 Spearman or whatever it is, You know, he could just see when 1491 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,120 when all the places he go want to show off to him. 1492 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,040 Oh, now he knows what their different capabilities and 1493 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,600 values are and how to employ them. 1494 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,440 So yeah, well, said another. Mentioned by Gil Dane here. 1495 01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,120 That's important coming from the quote here is the laws of of 1496 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,800 inheritance and succession remained unchanged. 1497 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:49,000 That's important to note because it's going to matter later, soon 1498 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,840 and later about within the Targaryen family themselves. 1499 01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,200 Of course. A lot of the civil conflicts 1500 01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,640 that come are about inheritance disputes and primacy disputes. 1501 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,200 Who comes first and lines of succession, all that business, 1502 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,040 You know what I mean? And if we Fast forward to the 1503 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,480 end of the Targaryen reign, Aries, the second you look at 1504 01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:11,000 what was laid down here and what was falling apart, then it's not 1505 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,880 just the loss of Dragons. It's not just the fact that 1506 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,560 Aries was an insane person and Aegon wasn't. 1507 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,920 It's the fact that Aegon's policy was pretty clear. 1508 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,000 The first law of Westeros is peace. 1509 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:27,040 You go up against that and you go up against the Dragons. 1510 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,360 But Aries violated his end of the bargain. 1511 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,760 He went after them. He went after his Lords. 1512 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,240 He ordered executions of people who didn't do anything wrong. 1513 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,520 So he violated the feudal contract in in expense like the 1514 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,000 target. That's the heart of the feudal 1515 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,840 contract. I protect you, you give me money 1516 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,960 and soldiers. I enforce fair laws, you know, 1517 01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,760 back and forth. It's a it's a little give and 1518 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,360 take. Obviously one has authority over 1519 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,320 the other, but there is a deal that has to be upheld even by 1520 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,120 the greater power. And if that power is violated, 1521 01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,240 then the lesser power is team up and go against that greater 1522 01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:01,920 power. Which is exactly what Robert's 1523 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:06,000 Rebellion was. The the Targaryens betrayed 1524 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:10,720 their feudal oath and enough of their vassals teamed up to 1525 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:11,960 overthrow them. There you go. 1526 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,520 Aegon didn't want that to happen. 1527 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,560 And to be fair, it didn't for 282 ish years, which is a pretty 1528 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,960 darn long time. It's a pretty good length for a 1529 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,240 dynasty to go. All right, we'll come back in a 1530 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,960 minute with a few more points about Aegon. 1531 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,320 We've got a lot more to say, but I've been really having a great 1532 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,080 time with Magic Mind. It's been so much longer now. 1533 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,960 We've been talking about it for a few months now. 1534 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,320 And the whole point of it, as we've said, we've been saying 1535 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,440 from the beginning, the more you're on it, the more it starts 1536 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,840 to matter, the more you notice. And we've also reviewed from a 1537 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,760 scientific perspective how some of these ingredients work that 1538 01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,280 way. Like literally the longer you 1539 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:49,800 take them, the more effect they have. 1540 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,880 And that's true for a lot of herbs or pharmaceuticals or what 1541 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,360 have you and there's no pharmaceuticals here. 1542 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,400 I'm just saying that's a a concept that's well familiar to 1543 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:03,040 to health and Wellness. It's also done one thing that 1544 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,280 we've said for me personally has worked out really well. 1545 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,080 One of the benefits to Magic Mind is that it removes some of 1546 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,880 your desire to drink coffee. I have definitely had last 1547 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,200 coffee these last last two months. 1548 01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:15,280 I have it almost as often but in smaller. 1549 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:16,840 Amounts. A lot of times I would have a 1550 01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,160 whole thermos and now I have just a cup and that's it's 1551 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,480 pretty substantial difference and I've been getting more done. 1552 01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,040 I I can't credit all that to Magic Mine, but definitely some 1553 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,800 of it has I have to give credit to. 1554 01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,000 And I think the less coffee is probably helping that too, 1555 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,400 because I probably don't crash as often I do feel like when I. 1556 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,920 Read. A lot of times I get tired and 1557 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,720 or zone out and I feel like that's been happening less. 1558 01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,960 I've been able to read longer and deeper without starting to 1559 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,880 zone out, so that's pretty valuable. 1560 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,160 Yeah, yeah. And I'm. 1561 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,280 Definitely drinking less soda, as I pointed that out a couple 1562 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:45,400 times. Yeah, yeah. 1563 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:45,720 Yeah. That. 1564 01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:46,480 That is. Really good. 1565 01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:49,760 That is really really good. I don't know how to exactly 1566 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,240 value that, but it's valuable. You know what I mean? 1567 01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,400 It's like hard to quantify these things specifically, but these 1568 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,600 are all very good things and I've never been a coffee. 1569 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,400 Drinker. So I notice a difference in just 1570 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,200 having a daily routine. 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Benefits for you too. 1590 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,880 So check it out. magicmind.com Westeros, Westeros 20. 1591 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,240 I have a question for for you all, just kind of an idle 1592 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:07,120 question about Aegon. What? 1593 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,480 What do you think he was maybe the most proud of? 1594 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,120 Obviously, no way we could know what was he most proud of having 1595 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,600 children. It's he cried when his first 1596 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,280 granddaughter was born. Which is kind of a kind of a. 1597 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,160 Hard thing to picture what's? That the size of his dragon the 1598 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:22,080 size. Of his dragon. 1599 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,120 Very proud of that. He. 1600 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,920 Didn't have anything to do. With that himself. 1601 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,680 But he could be proud of it. Maybe King's Landing. 1602 01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,400 Maybe just the iron, maybe forging the realm together. 1603 01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,280 Maybe he didn't have a thing he was most proud of. 1604 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,520 He's a euphemism. I would say. 1605 01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,640 It may be King's. Landing I would it is a good 1606 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,160 question, but I feel like King's Landing might be the thing. 1607 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,960 I would. I guess I might be more proud of 1608 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,280 it if I had supposed early on. I I think even before I read 1609 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:52,520 Fire and Blood, that he might have had some intent for it. 1610 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,520 That he might have done some scouting, like his visits to 1611 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,520 other cities before he even declared that he was taking over 1612 01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:02,760 the Seven Kingdoms. That he might have been like 1613 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,080 talking to masters and then looking at how cities are 1614 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,080 designed and kind of contemplating the idea of 1615 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,000 creating a new city and what it might take. 1616 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,400 But then there's this line in here that says no one planned 1617 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:13,320 King's Landing. Yeah. 1618 01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,440 If he did do that. He's not getting credit for it, 1619 01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:20,600 so I don't know how proud he would be if he didn't actively 1620 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:24,840 intend to build that city up, but it's something I would be 1621 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,760 proud of. It's it's something that 1622 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,480 thousands, millions of people would be benefiting from. 1623 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:34,320 You know, it's and and and a more direct way, like indirectly 1624 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,600 everyone at 70 Kingdoms is benefiting from the peace that 1625 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,280 he's brought. But there's still some people 1626 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,840 who are just running a farm. They just keep running a farm. 1627 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,840 They don't know or care who the king of the land is. 1628 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,000 They're glad that they're like. They look back and go, you know 1629 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,480 what I've had 20 years of? Of uninterrupted. 1630 01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:48,800 That's pretty good. You know, they might, it might 1631 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,560 be one of those things that the dawns on them that you know 1632 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,240 what, I haven't had my no one's come to my farm to take my food 1633 01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:54,960 in a long time. That's that's pretty good. 1634 01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,440 Maybe I'll give Aegon some credit for that. 1635 01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,200 Proud of the. Throne of his idea to make the 1636 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,280 Iron Drone just like, yeah, it's just metal. 1637 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,480 That's a very cool idea. I mean, if I'm George RR Martin, 1638 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,080 I'm proud of that idea. So yeah, egg on. 1639 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,760 The conquer probably was, too. Yeah, that's pretty cool. 1640 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,640 I know, I know a few. People that were like, when they 1641 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,400 heard that was like, that's how the throne was made. 1642 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,400 They're like, OK, I got to read this series like, that's pretty 1643 01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:18,360 sweet. Yeah, just that kind of 1644 01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,320 cleverness. Yeah, Anthony de Palma sends a 1645 01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,480 super chat, says I do wonder if maybe the Blackwood Bracken feud 1646 01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:26,640 started because a filthy Bracken tried first night on a 1647 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,480 Blackwood. You never know that could be. 1648 01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:32,480 It is supposed to be a very ancient tradition and the 1649 01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:34,800 Bracken Blackwood feud is also very ancient. 1650 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,000 Yeah, you never know. I wouldn't doubt it. 1651 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,400 Wouldn't wouldn't throw that guess out, that's for sure. 1652 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,600 Dornish Dame, frequent commenter. 1653 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,600 We appreciate that Dornish Dame says building good relationships 1654 01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,240 with non Lords Paramount could be a warning to those Lords 1655 01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,360 Paramount that they had had to stay loyal or be replaced. 1656 01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,400 Kind of like the Stannis Solis marriage as a warning to the 1657 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,840 tyrels. That's a great point, because 1658 01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,480 East, West, and the very briefly existing Warden of the Sands, 1659 01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,120 those are additional prestige ranks that people can aspire to 1660 01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,920 or, yes, could have taken away from. 1661 01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,560 And if you want to hold on to that, better do right by the 1662 01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:08,680 king. Better prove that you're worthy 1663 01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,440 of that. Yeah, and Tyrell's a good 1664 01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:11,640 example. Tyrell's with Warden to the 1665 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,040 South, but they better act right if they want to keep that. 1666 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,600 And Joe Magician says, most proud of scribbling a dream into 1667 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,360 a dagger with ambiguous language. 1668 01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:22,720 Yeah. Like, I'm going to. 1669 01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:23,920 Here's what I'll do. I'm going to. 1670 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,040 I'm going to scribble this on my. 1671 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,880 Dagger Yeah, that's what I'll do. 1672 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,840 Yeah, he had. A flair for the dramatic. 1673 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,040 I'm going to make an ancient. I'm going. 1674 01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,600 To make an artifact couple artifacts, I'd say the throne is 1675 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:36,720 an artifact. Yeah, that's true. 1676 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,040 Like. If you're a king with with the. 1677 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,760 Supernatural legacy. And you don't make artifacts. 1678 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,560 Like, what is it? What are you even doing? 1679 01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,440 You know, come on, you got a dragon. 1680 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:47,000 You got. You should be making artifacts, 1681 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,600 man. You got all those jewels. 1682 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,000 You got Valyrian steel, you got. Obsidian, you got. 1683 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,200 Yeah. It's like, what was it? 1684 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,680 The, the bit about if you're a billionaire, what are you doing 1685 01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,560 Not buying all the baseball teams and making them wear 1686 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,960 dresses, you know, why are you not doing that? 1687 01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,120 Like, what is your problem? I agree, though I really. 1688 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,000 Agree Like what? If you're that rich and you 1689 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,120 don't just choose chaos on a daily basis, you're you're 1690 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:13,760 doing. Life. 1691 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,200 Wrong. So let's. 1692 01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,720 Talk about the first law the most. 1693 01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:23,840 Basic Tenant was simple enough quote The first law of the land 1694 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,960 shall be the King's peace, King Aegon decreed. 1695 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,680 And any Lord who goes to war without my leave shall be 1696 01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,520 considered a rebel and an enemy of the Iron Throne. 1697 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,240 King Aegon also decrees regularized customs, duties and 1698 01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,280 taxes throughout the realm, whereas previously every port 1699 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,360 and every petty Lord have been free to exact however much they 1700 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,640 could from tenants, small folk, merchants. 1701 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,720 So it's another rare direct quote from Aegon. 1702 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,680 But this was most likely a statement he took proper care to 1703 01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,600 word before uttering. Because it's it's the first law 1704 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,240 of the land. You don't want to be imprecise 1705 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,560 with that, right? It's a law, you These things 1706 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,800 tend to be worded carefully, even in settings that aren't our 1707 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,760 own, Especially in our own. I mean, Dang. 1708 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,200 I mean, that's why there's so many lawyers, right? 1709 01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,600 Standardizing taxes is a pretty important move. 1710 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,360 It's a it's a bit of a departure from or an exception to his 1711 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,400 policy of leaving local traditions in place. 1712 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,240 Although it's arguable that you know fleecing people is a 1713 01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:23,640 tradition so, so that's a very important thing. 1714 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:28,320 This is a very pro commoner and and pro like merchant type move 1715 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,720 that that takes powers away from from the Lords. 1716 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,560 Even more so than the powers of Private War which we'll discuss 1717 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,200 in a minute. In general. 1718 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:40,360 Pro stability, yeah. Like even the the the Lords are 1719 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,960 probably better off when their people can plan around how much 1720 01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,080 they're going to be taxed. That makes sense. 1721 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,040 Like, and that's probably part of why King's Landing was able 1722 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,160 to grow so fast, because everyone kind of knew what the 1723 01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,560 expectations were. Everyone can make appropriate 1724 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,760 investments and not be worried that if I invest X in this, 1725 01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,880 don't just kind of come take it all from me. 1726 01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,040 So I'm not going to bother. But everyone knew it was just 1727 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,680 going to be 8% or whatever it was and so they could invest and 1728 01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,800 plan accordingly. Yeah, that's a great point. 1729 01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,920 I think to add to that, I think King's Landing was. 1730 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,320 The place that change was happening, King's Landing was 1731 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,200 the spearhead of change, and the other cities around the realm 1732 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,880 would have had to kind of pick up after it, even though it 1733 01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,480 wasn't as large as them yet or became as large as some of them 1734 01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:24,880 during this phase. Because those as soon as Aegon 1735 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,640 makes a decree, it's going to start locally first. 1736 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,360 Of course it takes a while for it to travel around the realm. 1737 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,200 This is not the Internet era obviously. 1738 01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:33,840 And let's talk about private war. 1739 01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,000 This is a big deal, It's a very big deal. 1740 01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,360 This the sort of right to private war was a problem in the 1741 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,840 real world as well. It's a huge problem amongst 1742 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,720 various kingdoms and whether or not the Lords within that 1743 01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,720 Kingdom have this right or not. The 15th century Diet of Worms 1744 01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,320 for the Holy Roman Empire banned feuds amongst its various 1745 01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,160 Princess. It's a it's at the beginning of 1746 01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,720 the Accursed King series that's a beloved favorite of George R 1747 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,080 Martin, and also a big favorite of mine. 1748 01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,440 And Nina, who wrote this particular note, when the Iron 1749 01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:10,920 King Philip the Handsome took over, he really reformed French 1750 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,280 nobility, and that was the one of the things he took away was 1751 01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,920 the right of private war. And it's such a big deal. 1752 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,440 These private wars were just a horrible thing. 1753 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:23,000 They just at any moment 2 great houses could go to war with each 1754 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,800 other and would spill over into neighboring counties and the the 1755 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,640 pop local population would be just shredded or brought into it 1756 01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,200 or both. Finally a king was powerful 1757 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,440 enough to stop that. Because of course remember what 1758 01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:36,360 we just said about the feudal system. 1759 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:41,200 If the if the lesser Lords could all gang up on the king, then 1760 01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,600 the king is limited in what he can do. 1761 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,760 And this is one of those things where like no, you can't take 1762 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,240 away our right to private war. Most of the kings prior to 1763 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,640 Philip, Had they tried to take that right away, they would have 1764 01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:52,280 gotten. Ganged up. 1765 01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,880 On and overthrown. But Philip was in a position 1766 01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,360 both powerful enough and had enough control and enough money 1767 01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,000 to say, come at me, you guys want to stop me changing the 1768 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,920 law, We'll fight over it. And they were afraid of him 1769 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,000 because, well, his nickname was the Iron King. 1770 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,920 So yeah, he didn't just, he didn't just give himself that 1771 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,440 nickname. This guy was a serious boss, but 1772 01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,880 just like Aegon, could that change hold after his death, or 1773 01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,560 could people get away with it in certain cases, like exceptions? 1774 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,640 Well, maybe I could have my own little private war and the king 1775 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,920 will allow it because I'm so powerful and he won't be able to 1776 01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,760 stop things like that in Aegon's case here too. 1777 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,040 It's understandable there might be. 1778 01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,080 Times when two neighbors, you know, someone burns someone 1779 01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,160 house down or rape someone's daughter or whatever it is that 1780 01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,240 you would see why they might want to go to war. 1781 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:42,240 But sometimes the reason might not be justified, or the the 1782 01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:45,480 common people who get involved shouldn't be subject to the 1783 01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:48,880 vengeance of these two Lords or whatever, but the but the idea 1784 01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,840 that the Lords feel like they need to do something? 1785 01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,400 Well, if you go to Aegon, well, he'll do something. 1786 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,640 He's got a freaking dragon. So, like, and probably Aegon 1787 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,400 probably only has to. Do something a couple. 1788 01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,120 Times before there's less. People aren't as willing to 1789 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,200 infringe on their neighbors rights because their word Aegon 1790 01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,320 will get involved and he'll get in trouble for it, right? 1791 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,960 So sometimes when someone's just a bully or has more soldiers or 1792 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,240 whatever, they could push around their neighbors. 1793 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,360 But now if Aegon's going to intervene, they're not even 1794 01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,560 going to do it in the 1st place. So it's another thing that if he 1795 01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:23,280 institutes this well enough in the beginning, it might not need 1796 01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,080 as much enforcement in the long run. 1797 01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,920 Well said, yes or well point, Sean, very good I think. 1798 01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,800 Also, this is very important in A Game of Thrones. 1799 01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:38,040 Notice how Tywin does this. He doesn't openly send Gregor 1800 01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,320 Clegane to raid the Riverlands by declaration. 1801 01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,360 Everyone knows he sent Greg or just like pretty much everyone 1802 01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,240 knows he sent Greg or to kill Elia, even though he claims I 1803 01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:50,360 didn't do, I didn't do that, you know. 1804 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:55,960 So when Ned calls Ty went out for raiding the Riverlands. 1805 01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,600 It was like, but Ty sells like but he didn't do it. 1806 01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:03,400 It was Greg or and Ned's like come on man, we know who sent 1807 01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,280 him, he says. Ned says Tywin has to answer for 1808 01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,320 his crimes and breaking the King's peace. 1809 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,480 This is this is private war. He's engaging in private war, 1810 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,280 which is expressly illegal and Tywin knows it's illegal which 1811 01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,280 is why he doesn't. He sends someone else to do it 1812 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,040 and never and and has Greg or not show his banner and all 1813 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:25,360 these other sort of sneaky but not that sneaky things like we 1814 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,400 know what's happening but he's Tywin's trying to give himself 1815 01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,120 an out or give himself cover and also he's Tywin who Robert 1816 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:34,520 wouldn't want to go up against. So he's like, look, I covered my 1817 01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:35,920 ass. This should be enough for you to 1818 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,400 let me get away with this. You know politically speaking do 1819 01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:40,640 you really want to go to war with Castley? 1820 01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:45,680 Rock Ned's like, yeah, 'cause that's what the law says. 1821 01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,800 That's Ned for you, right. He, he doesn't have that 1822 01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,200 flexibility within the law like a lot of people would. 1823 01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,680 He's like Ned's like, if this causes civil war, so be it. 1824 01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,800 That's the law. Pisal, yes, is a. 1825 01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,320 Lannister, toady. But he's also kind of like, 1826 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,000 maybe we shouldn't go to war, you know? 1827 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,080 Maybe just give? Him let me back down a little 1828 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,240 bit. Ned and Ned's like, Nope, Nope. 1829 01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,600 He broke the King's peace. That's the first law of the 1830 01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:10,560 land. He doesn't say. 1831 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,080 Ever since I've gone to conquer, it's been the law of the first 1832 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,920 law of the land. But it but it has been like Ned 1833 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,640 didn't say that, but it is the case. 1834 01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,280 It's hard to know how things will play out, 'cause I don't I 1835 01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:22,480 want to believe. Ned wouldn't be completely rigid 1836 01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,120 cause Tywin has to want to go to war against the King now, right? 1837 01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,560 So is Tywin really going to do that? 1838 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:33,040 So they might have found a compromise if Tywin said OK, you 1839 01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:37,040 know Gregor, come back, you guys can penalize Gregor in some way, 1840 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,200 I'll pay reparations. They like it there. 1841 01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,840 I think there is some middle ground between the Laners to go 1842 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,440 into war with the Crown Winterfell. 1843 01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:48,000 I don't know how it would have played out, but I I think that 1844 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,640 Ned would have been willing to negotiate. 1845 01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,480 It wasn't like war or nothing for Ned. 1846 01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:54,520 Just like I don't think it was war or nothing for Tywin either. 1847 01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,240 I think you're right. I think that's very well said, 1848 01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:57,840 because I think what Ned was doing. 1849 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,000 Yes, it looks a little obstinate, But he's also sort of 1850 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,880 calling Tywin's bluff, and he's doing exactly what you just 1851 01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:03,560 said. Tywin's saying you don't want to 1852 01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,040 fight me, do you? And Ned's saying, no, you don't 1853 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,680 want to fight me, do you? He's like, exactly. 1854 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,440 Yeah, Like, actually neither of us want. 1855 01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:13,560 To fight each other. Yeah, that's. 1856 01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,000 And that's not going to let him get away with it really doesn't 1857 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,280 necessarily want war. He doesn't. 1858 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,880 Want to be bullied around? He's like, well, we can't let 1859 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,520 Tywin push us around. But we, he can't let this 1860 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,800 president be established. Yeah, exactly So. 1861 01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,360 Yeah, so is this a? Standard thing meaning Aegon's 1862 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,440 approach to be chiefly concerned with peace like that. 1863 01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:35,800 To be so consumed with enforcing the peace that maybe it causes 1864 01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:40,480 or sets the stage for war later, maybe in the next rain or a 1865 01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:42,880 little farther down the road. Like for example, look at look 1866 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,360 at the Roman Empire. It's kind of a thing that said 1867 01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:50,080 about the Roman Empire that the Romans would kill everyone and 1868 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,800 call it peace because, well, there's no. 1869 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,080 War. But there's nobody at all like 1870 01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,240 you killed all the people in this region and that's how you 1871 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,600 dealt with the the uprising here is, well, there's nobody here at 1872 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:02,760 all. Now obviously I'm not saying 1873 01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,560 that's what Aegon would do. Well, he might he he did do that 1874 01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,320 in Dorm. So he he is capable of doing 1875 01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:08,360 that. He's fully capable of doing 1876 01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:08,880 that. He doesn't. 1877 01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,360 It's not his first choice. But what I'm asking a a bigger 1878 01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,360 question that I don't fully expect an answer to. 1879 01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,640 This is something for you all to ponder on your own, perhaps, 1880 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,960 Yeah. How often historically in the 1881 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,280 real world and maybe in Westeros is is this carried forward? 1882 01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:26,000 Do other monarchs prioritize this as heavily as Aegon did? 1883 01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,040 And do they do so because Aegon did or because they also see the 1884 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,120 same logic in it that he does? Is it just kind of a standard? 1885 01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,160 Of course peace has to be #1, you know? 1886 01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,800 But it's there's a difference between peace is #1 and how you 1887 01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,480 get there, right? There's the whole soft piece 1888 01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:41,160 versus hard piece that I discussed before. 1889 01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,320 There's the the piece of killing everybody that I just described 1890 01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,520 from the Romans. And there's an actual quality 1891 01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,760 piece where there's you're not killing lots of people and 1892 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,960 everyone's actually getting along and society's doing pretty 1893 01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,640 well. That's the the real goal, right, 1894 01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:56,520 of that's like, that's a good piece. 1895 01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,480 And how does it relate to the prophecy, if at all does? 1896 01:28:59,480 --> 01:29:02,120 Is Aegon chiefly concerned with like, Well, OK, I just need 1897 01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,680 stability. That's what the prophecy tells 1898 01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,160 me. Doesn't stability at any cost? 1899 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,360 For when this comes? Whenever this is evil? 1900 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,240 Whenever this winter descends upon the realm? 1901 01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,640 Whenever that's going to be, whether it's in a few years or 1902 01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:17,160 in 100 years or 200 years? As it turned out, it's about 300 1903 01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:18,760 years. But what exactly are the 1904 01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,800 dictates of the prophecy within his mind? 1905 01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:22,480 It's it. It doesn't have to be 1906 01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:23,800 straightforward. It's a prophecy. 1907 01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,280 It can be like the Suns must be aligned. 1908 01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:29,840 Well, does he mean, is it Suns like the Suns in the sky or the 1909 01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,600 Suns like my children? You know, prophecy's weird like 1910 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:33,760 that, right? And it's a dream. 1911 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,800 He's not going to wake up with exact, precise details. 1912 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,480 And it's not like he has a schematic or a blueprint to go 1913 01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:41,720 from or even writings. And if they are writings in 1914 01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,800 their, his own writings, probably that he scribbled down, 1915 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,280 you know, after waking up or something. 1916 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,480 So it's tricky. Not a question we can answer, 1917 01:29:49,480 --> 01:29:51,400 but worth asking. Worth throwing out there. 1918 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,320 And as we discuss things like the supernatural, well, it's a 1919 01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:59,000 good segue, a good pivot to matters of the faith, Matters of 1920 01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,120 the the faith of the Seven. There's the laws of the various 1921 01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,440 kingdoms, but the laws of the customs of the Faith of the 1922 01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:09,360 Seven are different, and they span geographical and political 1923 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:11,520 borders and have to be dealt with separately. 1924 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:16,880 So let's have a quote on that. He also proclaimed that the holy 1925 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,960 men and women. Of the Faith and all their lands 1926 01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,600 and possessions were to be exempt from taxation and 1927 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,840 affirmed the right of the Faith's own courts to try and 1928 01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:32,000 sentence any Septon, sworn brother, or holy sister accused 1929 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:36,520 of malfeasance. Though not himself a godly man, 1930 01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:41,160 the first Targaryen king always took care to court the support 1931 01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,880 of the Faith and the High Septon of Old Town. 1932 01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,160 Oh boy. This seems maybe like not a big 1933 01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,000 deal, but it's a very big. Deal both in world and IRL, 1934 01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:53,120 giving holy people a different court system was a key issue in 1935 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,760 the time of Henry the First, who was the father of the first 1936 01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:01,200 Plantagenet king, the dynasty that is the closest parallel to 1937 01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,200 the Targaryens. They lasted for 300 years. 1938 01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,160 They ruled England, which is, you know, kind of like Westeros. 1939 01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,960 And of course House of Plantagenet eventually features 1940 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:13,920 the cadet branches York AKA Stark and Lancaster AKA 1941 01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,160 Lannister, while also including the Angevin dynasty. 1942 01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,440 Henry the First was also the fourth son of the biggest egg on 1943 01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,360 the conquer parallel, William the Conqueror. 1944 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,160 So all sorts of parallels here. Now Henry the First, in his 1945 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,040 time, same thing happened. They had different laws for the 1946 01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,560 church and for regular folk. And this became a problem 1947 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,720 because church people started to learn that they could really 1948 01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,040 abuse this like a Bishop could do all sorts of awful crimes. 1949 01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,760 And then they wouldn't have to face murder charges or rape 1950 01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,480 charges or extortion. They would just get, like kicked 1951 01:31:43,480 --> 01:31:45,240 out of the faith. That would be the penalty. 1952 01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:48,480 And Henry's like that's not enough penalty. 1953 01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:52,560 And the church, who are devout believers in God and think that 1954 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,840 it's all about that, are like, what could be worse than being 1955 01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,680 kicked out of the church? You know what's worse than that? 1956 01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,080 You know? And it was like, well, actually 1957 01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,960 a lot of things, really. If you aren't as devout as you, 1958 01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,480 you know, let me show you. Yeah. 1959 01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,280 And another. Problem was, laws weren't 1960 01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,480 written. Down the king decided the 1961 01:32:11,480 --> 01:32:13,200 interpretation. He's like, well 'cause that 1962 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,480 would 'cause then you can't get around them. 1963 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:17,520 Like you could use legalese, you could you could use the detail 1964 01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,080 of wording and be like technically, semantically this 1965 01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:21,840 says this, it allows an exception. 1966 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,680 There's a carve out here because of the way it's worded. 1967 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,280 So if you have a king that doesn't write things down, the 1968 01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:29,400 king can't go. Nah, that's not an exception. 1969 01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:33,360 I make the call. The law as intended shouldn't 1970 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:34,800 allow things like what you're describing. 1971 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,120 Yes, that the way it's worded, you should be allowed to do 1972 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:38,400 that. But I'm the king and I say no, 1973 01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,480 no, the world we live in, these exceptions work like you go to 1974 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:45,640 court, you go to like, the way it's worded often is the final 1975 01:32:46,440 --> 01:32:50,200 arbiter of how it works. Henry realized that he's like, 1976 01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,760 no, I don't want to write things down because it's exactly what 1977 01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:57,200 it's going to lead to legalese arguing over semantics and the 1978 01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,760 spirit of the law being ignored for the letter of law. 1979 01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,240 He thinks the spirit of the law should matter more. 1980 01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,400 So it was a double, double edged sword here it's a it's the the 1981 01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:08,500 church started to get corrupt in that they wouldn't give quote UN 1982 01:33:08,500 --> 01:33:12,320 quote real punishments to people that did severe awful crimes, 1983 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:16,680 and because the way the laws could be interpreted allowed too 1984 01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,520 much room to wiggle free from them. 1985 01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:22,480 So there's too many ways to get out from under the law, and it 1986 01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:25,000 sounds like unfortunately, Aegon set things up a little 1987 01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:29,120 similarly, minus the part about him having, he was more powerful 1988 01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:33,040 than the Church of England was. Like Aegon's relative power over 1989 01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:36,760 the High Septon is greater than Henry's power over the Pope, but 1990 01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,080 it's still very power. They're still very powerful, and 1991 01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,600 Aegon had to tread carefully, as it shows. 1992 01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,200 Here he was it says he was careful with all of them. 1993 01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:47,200 Six different High Septons reigned during his time, like 1994 01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,400 the one that crowned Aegon in his coronation passed in 11 AC, 1995 01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,080 and there were six more after that, and Aegon just kept being 1996 01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,200 nice to them. He didn't resolve any of the 1997 01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,200 problems. He didn't deal with the incest 1998 01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:02,080 or the polygamy, things that the church doesn't accept. 1999 01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,320 He just kind of like, well, we're friends, right? 2000 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,440 We're not. You're not going to bring that 2001 01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:07,040 up. Well, of course they did 2002 01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,480 eventually after his death. So yeah. 2003 01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:13,240 So this is maybe the best example of Aegon just kicking 2004 01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,760 the can down the road and not dealing with a problem that was 2005 01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,680 definitely going to be foisted on his descendants, especially 2006 01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,320 'cause he's the one that's going to arrange for the marriages of 2007 01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,320 his sons and all that. Like, he's in charge of all 2008 01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:25,240 that. And and some of the choices made 2009 01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,920 therein are part of the problem that he could have baby headed 2010 01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:30,680 off ahead of time. Like, yeah, polygamy. 2011 01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:34,080 Like, they, the polygamy issue kind of became moot because 2012 01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:36,480 Rainey's died, so he wasn't really married to people 2013 01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:38,160 anymore. They never accepted the double 2014 01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:39,840 marriage. They never publicly said this 2015 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,280 marriage is OK by us. And it could have become up. 2016 01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,680 It didn't, but it could have come up like, well, OK, well, if 2017 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,920 the double marriage isn't OK, then which marriage was valid? 2018 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,000 How do you choose? And if you're choosing one 2019 01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:53,920 marriage over the other, does that put one Prince over the 2020 01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,240 other in a way that it wasn't before? 2021 01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,120 Like, if you choose Visenya, does that mean Megor comes over? 2022 01:34:58,120 --> 01:34:59,280 Anis? Yikes. 2023 01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:02,240 That's a whole ball of wax that no one wants to get involved in, 2024 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:04,200 so you can see why they didn't go there. 2025 01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,000 But then you have the incest marriages too, so it's also an 2026 01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,320 incest marriage if they're not OK with either marriage. 2027 01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:11,800 So how do you pick one over the other? 2028 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,480 How do you allow it when incest marriages aren't permitted? 2029 01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,880 And how do you deal with the with the succession with all 2030 01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,440 that mixed in? Like Egon married them both at 2031 01:35:20,440 --> 01:35:22,600 the same time. It was one ceremony, so he can't 2032 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,320 even use like, timing as well. Who did he kiss first? 2033 01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,440 You know, like, which one did he hand his the ring to 1st? 2034 01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:33,080 Like, oh, Speaking of getting technical with the legalese. 2035 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:33,680 Right. Well, maybe. 2036 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,240 They did all that simultaneously. 2037 01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:38,280 Yeah, it was a three-way can. And like, put it on your fingers 2038 01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,800 at the same time. Really kissed right together at 2039 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:41,880 the same moment. That's clever. 2040 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,520 Yeah, that's right. So, so he didn't. 2041 01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,480 Rock the boat, but the waves were coming. 2042 01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,480 Right. This is this was an issue that 2043 01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:51,200 big waves I think. So what do you think Sean and 2044 01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,240 and maybe Shea if you carried away and do you think this is 2045 01:35:53,480 --> 01:35:57,040 the most obvious like problem that he just left for someone 2046 01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:58,520 else or or is maybe they're more to it. 2047 01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,800 Am I missing something? Well, for one, like I said 2048 01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,840 earlier, is it to? Deal with this problem might 2049 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,840 have created other problems and just had to pick his battles and 2050 01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:09,480 it maybe he's kicking us down the road but if you dealt with 2051 01:36:09,480 --> 01:36:11,560 this problem he might have been kicking some other problem down 2052 01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,880 the road like a general rebellion. 2053 01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,040 You know like getting in trouble with the church is harder to 2054 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:18,880 deal with because it's it's kind of like Dorn. 2055 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,240 It's not like 1 castle or one Lord you can go burn down and 2056 01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:23,480 everyone's like OK we'll obey you. 2057 01:36:23,480 --> 01:36:26,200 Now it's people scattered all across everywhere. 2058 01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:30,600 So I can see him just not quite being sure how to do it or 2059 01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:34,000 worrying about creating a bigger problem And it, you know, I I 2060 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,040 guess that's sort of kicking the can down the road. 2061 01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:40,240 But I think it's better than like planting a time bomb down 2062 01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,440 or starting a fire right now or I don't know what the 2063 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:44,880 missionology is, but you see what I'm saying. 2064 01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:46,360 Yeah. And I'm brought back to what I 2065 01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,720 said earlier, which is it's a gamble. 2066 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:52,960 To say that it'll be easier for the next generation to deal 2067 01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:57,200 with, but I think it's a reasonable gamble to make that 2068 01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,440 you're you're kicking it down the road for someone that's 2069 01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:02,600 going to be a 5 difficulty to deal with potentially and for 2070 01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:04,560 you it's like a nine. They might be, yeah. 2071 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,920 They might have more. It might still be a 7 still. 2072 01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:08,480 But I don't think it's going to be hard or nice. 2073 01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:09,880 I don't like. I think that's a pretty 2074 01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,880 reasonable guess that it won't necessarily be much harder. 2075 01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,440 They won't be more entrenched, They won't be. 2076 01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:18,480 Yeah, as it turned out, they did become more entrenched, but 2077 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:19,240 that's. Because of the. 2078 01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,200 Actions of people like Megor, and not necessarily because of 2079 01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,600 things it would have been hard for for Aegon to. 2080 01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,160 Predict and things that could have gone another way, like his 2081 01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,760 own family is responsible. This has a big role. 2082 01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,440 In making it worse. And he didn't necessarily see 2083 01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,640 that coming. Maybe he should have because he 2084 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:36,960 should. He would have again he should 2085 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:40,960 have seen these rubs like this incest polygamy issue is going 2086 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,640 to matter. It's going to come to a head. 2087 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,920 It's it's not addressed. So yeah, so yeah, but I see what 2088 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,400 y'all are saying. It's fair to think that maybe he 2089 01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:51,560 guessed it was the lesser of two weeks. 2090 01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:54,320 A little better way to handle it is to let a little time pass, 2091 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,520 let people maybe get more used to this and then maybe address 2092 01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:00,520 it later and especially again when you consider it's not as 2093 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,560 simple as this. Or that it's not like instead of 2094 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,800 dealing with the church, I'm gonna go party, right? 2095 01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,880 If I'm dealing with the church, I need to go visit Winterfell. 2096 01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,800 Right he had. He was doing other responsible, 2097 01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,640 difficult things through the course of his whole reign, and 2098 01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,600 one of those would have been sacrificed in order to deal with 2099 01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,000 the church. So even if he found a way to 2100 01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,960 deal with the church, that didn't create a bigger problem 2101 01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,280 down the road. He might have been neglecting 2102 01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,480 some other thing that would have become a bigger problem down the 2103 01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:30,080 road. Or immediately. 2104 01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,360 Yeah, and Nina points out a really something really useful 2105 01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,040 and help. And insightful that I didn't 2106 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,960 think of is, which is that the faith was actually given a boon 2107 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,960 here. Aegon's conquest in a lot of 2108 01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,520 ways benefited the faith like it solidified the official religion 2109 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,320 of the Seven Kingdoms, which was more of an unofficial by weight 2110 01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,280 of its popularity. Now it was like official the 2111 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,040 state religion in a sense, like Aegon accepted the other 2112 01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,440 religions, but it wasn't like the state religion, it wasn't 2113 01:38:56,440 --> 01:39:00,040 the one he was crowned under. Like he didn't go, he was. 2114 01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:04,560 He accepted the crowning at the that Old Town, you know at the 2115 01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,640 high at the Sept, the great Sept or whatever. 2116 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,040 But he didn't. He didn't re crown himself in 2117 01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:12,760 Winterfell and in Pike under the other gods right? 2118 01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:16,320 He just that was kind of just assumed to be part of the whole 2119 01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:21,480 package I guess. So the faith had more room to 2120 01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:23,040 operate. Maybe under Egon they might have 2121 01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:26,120 had a easier time, like collecting their taxes and 2122 01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:30,840 establishing chapter houses of the sons of the warrior and all 2123 01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,200 that. So there were a lot of 2124 01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:37,120 institutional benefits to the faith being sort of 2125 01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,240 grandfathered in under Aegon's conquest. 2126 01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,880 Like their profile was raised in a lot of ways, especially given 2127 01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,880 Aegon was going to allow them to do their own laws separately. 2128 01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:49,720 That did eventually change and that caused more problems, but 2129 01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,880 it's certainly in the short term it certainly was like, well 2130 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,360 yeah, why should we go up against this guy. 2131 01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,400 He's actually, yes, we hate the polygamy, we hate the incest, 2132 01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:00,200 but we're getting lots of money and power. 2133 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,520 So which is makes sense because in the long run it's the common 2134 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,760 folk that really get uppity about it, like the nobility get 2135 01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,800 more and more corrupt with vis A vis the seven and the tenets of 2136 01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,600 the faith, whereas it's the common folk who are the hardcore 2137 01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:16,520 like. No, we obey these rules. 2138 01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,560 We obey these rules that you laid out, and now we see you not 2139 01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,440 obeying them, and we're just going to obey them even even 2140 01:40:22,440 --> 01:40:26,080 harder, which is going to put us at at more and more at. 2141 01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:29,080 Odds which is going to? Be a big problem under Amy's and 2142 01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,160 Megor's reigns? I also want to point out that 2143 01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,120 that I don't know Decree Aegon made. 2144 01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:36,680 About the court being able to manage itself, basically, you 2145 01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,280 could argue that's part of him not kicking it down the road. 2146 01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:41,800 He is sort of addressing his problem by doing that. 2147 01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:45,160 They were at least temporarily, OK, and maybe that's sort of 2148 01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,840 kicking down the road. But it is an attempt to address 2149 01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:49,440 this issue. He didn't just totally ignore 2150 01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:51,320 it, right. That was sort of a maybe a 2151 01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,960 compromise that maybe it was even discussed with leaders of 2152 01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,280 the church to come to that because he knew that they were 2153 01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:59,480 upset about the polygamy thing. He was like, how about this, you 2154 01:40:59,480 --> 01:41:02,800 know, And like Shea was saying like once you do that, maybe 2155 01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,960 further down the road it gets easier to deal with it. 2156 01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:08,760 Maybe both the people land and church itself gets more used to 2157 01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,640 it. Like it's such this blasphemous 2158 01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:14,960 idea to marry your sister or marry to women or whatever. 2159 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:18,600 But maybe when you see the people that did this brought 2160 01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:22,680 peace to the land and gave autonomy to the church, and 2161 01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,480 they're doing all these positive things like, oh, maybe it's not 2162 01:41:25,480 --> 01:41:29,480 as bad as we always thought, you know, And the more time it has 2163 01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:32,480 to become normalized, the less of an issue it is down the road 2164 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:33,640 to deal with one way or the other. 2165 01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:37,280 So yeah, well said. Yeah, it's interesting to look. 2166 01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:41,640 At Usually we don't see such big divides amongst belief like 2167 01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:44,080 that, but it's also that happens in the real world. 2168 01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:46,880 There's a quote here that gets us even further on this 2169 01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,760 subtopic, so let's have that here. 2170 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,080 Yet the question of incestuous marriage remained simmering. 2171 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:53,720 Below the courtesies like poison. 2172 01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,880 Whilst the High Septon of King Aeons reign never spoke out 2173 01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:59,560 against the King's marriage to his sisters, neither did they 2174 01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,960 declare it to be lawful. The humbler members of the faith 2175 01:42:02,440 --> 01:42:06,000 village Septons, holy sisters begging brothers poor fellows, 2176 01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,560 still believed it's simple for brother to lie with sister or 2177 01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,320 for a man to take two wives. Hagan the Conqueror had father 2178 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,880 no daughters however, so these matters did not come to a head 2179 01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,200 at once. The sons of the dragon had no 2180 01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:19,600 sisters to marry, so each of them was forced to seek 2181 01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,840 elsewhere for a bride, so circumstances kicked that 2182 01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,760 particular can down. The road there, it just didn't 2183 01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,640 come up. There were no incestuous 2184 01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:28,520 marriages proposed in the short term later. 2185 01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:30,800 That did happen and it was a problem. 2186 01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:35,240 And by that I mean, Vicenia proposed marrying Megor to 2187 01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:39,840 Reyna, and that was rejected by pretty much everyone. 2188 01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:44,160 So yeah, a lot of perhaps. Most of the nobility. 2189 01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,520 Adhere to the faith because it gives them power over the 2190 01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:51,400 commoners and otherwise believe less in the doctrines than they 2191 01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:53,400 say they do. They uphold that because it 2192 01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:54,720 gives them power over the masses. 2193 01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:58,400 We kind of like the real world. And OK, of course there's 2194 01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:02,520 exceptions. There are Lords who are very 2195 01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:06,360 devout, very much believers, have strong faith also in the 2196 01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:11,040 real world, but it's definitely not always as it seems. 2197 01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:15,640 Take that with a grain of salt and maybe there's Nina makes a 2198 01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,840 point that maybe there's a little too much extremism in 2199 01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:23,040 Westeros, that maybe there aren't enough moderate believers 2200 01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:25,800 as the people who seem to be very into it and people who 2201 01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:29,120 aren't in it at all in terms of their worship. 2202 01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,080 Maybe that's true. I I haven't thought about that. 2203 01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:33,040 It's an interesting point to make. 2204 01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,360 She uses cattle as an example, as someone that is kind of in 2205 01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,120 between a middle ground person who has is devout enough to pray 2206 01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:40,840 but maybe not every day. She does certainly prays when 2207 01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:46,720 she's worried about something. And the they these commoners 2208 01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,120 that are held, the power held over them is because the 2209 01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:53,880 commoners often do sincerely believe in these doctrines 2210 01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:55,320 because they were taught to the nobility. 2211 01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:58,200 It's like a guide to holding power that you might choose to 2212 01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,720 believe in also, but it's taught to more common folk. 2213 01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,040 Like yeah, this is how the this is how the universe works. 2214 01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:07,720 These gods are real, and if you don't do what they say, you'll 2215 01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:13,280 go to the seven Hells or whatever, or you'll just be 2216 01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:14,920 ostracized or something like that. 2217 01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:18,960 So yeah, when things come to a head, when the nobility's like, 2218 01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:25,640 desire to gain power is at odds with their ability to show that 2219 01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,920 they care about the faith. So when when these things come 2220 01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:30,400 to a head in a way that they can't hide and they have to 2221 01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:34,040 openly choose, actually, I don't really care about incest and 2222 01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,440 polygamy. And people can see that they're 2223 01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:38,440 like, wait. You're supposed. 2224 01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:40,560 To care about incest and polygamy, like you've been 2225 01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,920 teaching me my whole life that that matters. 2226 01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,040 And now you don't care about it because you're getting paid. 2227 01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:47,800 Yeah, so that you can see why that would cause unrest when 2228 01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:50,920 it's multiplied by hundreds of thousands of commoners. 2229 01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,880 But it's still the full fear doctrine, still rules. 2230 01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,960 I mean, who wants to be recognized as a ringleader of 2231 01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,480 malcontents when Visenya exists, right? 2232 01:44:59,480 --> 01:45:01,440 You don't want to be. You don't want to be like 2233 01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:05,080 Singled out as the ringleader of A of malcontents like she will 2234 01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:09,600 not treat that kindly. But zealots, people who only 2235 01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:12,320 fear punishment in the afterlife, even Vicenya, doesn't 2236 01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,720 really intimidate them. You know zealots and people 2237 01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,000 that. I mean, we're going to see 2238 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,200 people literally take on Dragons, like face to face 2239 01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,120 humans, and it's, it sounds crazy, but I mean, we live in a 2240 01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:26,440 world where people fly planes into buildings and ships on 2241 01:45:26,440 --> 01:45:29,120 purpose. So it's not that hard to believe 2242 01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:33,640 that fictional people could could die for A cause that's, 2243 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:37,680 you know, intangible. So they're fair game, you know? 2244 01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:39,720 Not so much during Aegon's reign, though, because, again, 2245 01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,960 this issue was kicked down the road like a can because there 2246 01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,760 were no Targaryen princesses. The incest and polygamy stuff 2247 01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,240 was was delayed, but he had to see it coming. 2248 01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:50,880 Again, Aegon had to see this coming. 2249 01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,040 He's like, what? My descendants will never have 2250 01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,080 incestuous marriages again. He didn't make some law against 2251 01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:56,400 it. He didn't tell them not to do 2252 01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,240 that. So it it was clearly going to 2253 01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,960 come up again. Maybe he counseled Anis on how 2254 01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:03,320 to handle it and it just wasn't recorded. 2255 01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:06,040 It was behind closed doors. Maybe Anis just bungled it. 2256 01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:08,520 He was like my dad told me what to do, but I screwed it up. 2257 01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,360 He did a lot. Let's not be Let's be clear that 2258 01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,360 Agon did a lot to facilitate the faithful. 2259 01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:18,320 He built Seps, all those trips to Old Town, granting 2260 01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:22,320 protections. He had a nice marry his cousin 2261 01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:26,640 and Megor marry a Hightower, which that was sort of a bone to 2262 01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:28,680 the faith there. Having one of his sons marry 2263 01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:31,800 into the house most closely aligned with the faith, didn't 2264 01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,240 have any, didn't allow any polygamous and incestuous 2265 01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:37,520 marriages to happen. They did happen later, but not 2266 01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,160 under his watch, Anita reminds us, Like, what's he going to do? 2267 01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:43,760 Just start changing the faith doctrines like yeah he's the 2268 01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:44,800 king. He's the Conqueror. 2269 01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:47,840 But that's still I mean goes to show there's limits to even his 2270 01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,800 power Like I think a lot of you would would would hear that and 2271 01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,520 go yeah that would be hard to do even though you might be 2272 01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:55,280 thinking but he's got supreme power. 2273 01:46:55,480 --> 01:46:59,520 We all know how hard it is to change church anything in the 2274 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,120 real world. It's the type of thing like say 2275 01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:05,080 he did through. Force or negotiation, Whatever. 2276 01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:09,440 Get the leaders, the the High Septon or whatever to change the 2277 01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:13,200 actual wording of their religion to say it's okay. 2278 01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,800 Does that mean that every person in the land I was like, oh, I 2279 01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,720 guess it's okay now. Like the Catholic Church at this 2280 01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:23,520 point has conceded that they misjudged Galileo or whatever 2281 01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:28,520 that evolution is, is not opposed to their beliefs in God, 2282 01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,400 that the Son is the Sinner of the souls, all this other stuff. 2283 01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,000 But there's still people who don't believe that. 2284 01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,440 There's still people who don't. Even when the Pope says 2285 01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:38,480 something, every Catholic doesn't immediately believe 2286 01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,920 those things. So I agree, and we'll see that 2287 01:47:40,920 --> 01:47:42,360 it is. It's going to come to Jairus. 2288 01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:44,520 And Alice and to make these changes and they're going to do 2289 01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:49,520 it in a clever and smart way. Clever and smart in a way that's 2290 01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,680 effective, but they are gonna basically have to change some 2291 01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,000 rules, maybe more like adding rules rather than changing them, 2292 01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:57,040 which is better, probably, probably a little easier way to 2293 01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:59,880 manage it. But I mean, the reason that 2294 01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:02,880 there's so many versions of so many major religions and other 2295 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,000 religions, like let's use Christianity example, there's 2296 01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:07,720 thousands of versions of it. It's because of rules changes. 2297 01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:10,480 A lot of it, someone changed the rule and some people were like, 2298 01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:11,960 no, we don't like that rule change. 2299 01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:14,240 We're doing it our own way. Or they changed it a different 2300 01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:17,160 way and became a different version, a different sect, 2301 01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:18,840 etcetera. You know, And yeah, like I said 2302 01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,520 that that applies to pretty much every religion that's ever 2303 01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,560 existed. And there's been versions of it 2304 01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:25,560 and people disagreeing over what the rule should be. 2305 01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:27,760 That's the problem when you don't have a central authority, 2306 01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:30,480 like unless God comes down and tells you what the rules are, 2307 01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:32,720 which people have claimed has happened. 2308 01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:37,000 For all I know, maybe it did. I would guess it didn't, but 2309 01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:40,440 what do I know? So then people argue over that 2310 01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:43,440 really happened or not or yeah, like what they meant by what 2311 01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,320 they said. Did you really interpret God? 2312 01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,000 Correctly was that? Are you sure? 2313 01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:51,040 That was God, you know? So it's really. 2314 01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:52,400 Interesting how much of this stuff is. 2315 01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:54,360 Very much. What happened in the real world 2316 01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:55,720 and then some of it still happens today. 2317 01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:58,400 The way, like, we deal with religion and politics, the way 2318 01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,280 those two things intersect or religion and culture. 2319 01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:03,960 Even now, we have to be careful with what we say to religious 2320 01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,960 leaders or religious people about on certain topics, right? 2321 01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,040 Like, yes, whether you're powerful or whether you're a 2322 01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:12,000 regular everyday person like me. Yeah, that's true. 2323 01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,520 As for Megor, by the way, I mean Megor, the guy who's going to, 2324 01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:16,360 we're going to spend a lot more time on later. 2325 01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:18,920 The guy who's going to have the biggest problem with the faith 2326 01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,120 of anybody. He's already showing red flags 2327 01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:23,000 in his personality and extreme prowess. 2328 01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,960 Age 8, he's already a Squire. I mean, wow. 2329 01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,320 And he may have already killed a cat and a horse just because he 2330 01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:30,640 could. We're not sure about that. 2331 01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:33,720 He may have also stabbed a stable boy who reacted to him 2332 01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,440 stabbing the horse. This is the year 20, by the way, 2333 01:49:36,440 --> 01:49:38,800 So it's it's still well before the end of Aegon's reign. 2334 01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,800 And that's another thing I maybe criticize Aegon for. 2335 01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:45,240 Megor had a lot of red flags. I don't see a single bit of 2336 01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:47,360 evidence Aegon did. I darn thing about that. 2337 01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:51,160 He's just like, well, yeah, this kid of mine will inflict himself 2338 01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:53,760 on the on the realm and that's they'll just have to deal with 2339 01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,840 that, you know? Did he not see his brother, his 2340 01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:58,600 son, as a threat to his other son? 2341 01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:00,880 I guess not. But he may have just not seen 2342 01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:02,360 his son. He's off. 2343 01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,080 Traveling around and then meetings and all this stuff and 2344 01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:08,800 like, again, you know, that's kind of sad and maybe a failure. 2345 01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:12,920 But say he had spent more time with his son and his son grew up 2346 01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:17,280 to be a better leader, right? But say because of that, his son 2347 01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:20,760 now is dealing with a rebellion in the North because Aegon never 2348 01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:22,160 got the North under control or whatever. 2349 01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,760 You see, like a something is always happening instead of 2350 01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:27,040 something else. And it's hard for him to take on 2351 01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,760 so much and be perfect at all of it. 2352 01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:31,200 Yeah. Yeah, that's well said, yeah. 2353 01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:32,600 And I and I it's. Hard to disagree with that. 2354 01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,080 I think you're right and and also it's worth noting that some 2355 01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:37,120 of these red flags when a. Kid is 8. 2356 01:50:37,480 --> 01:50:40,040 Might not have panned out the way you think. 2357 01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,840 Like Amy's thought everyone thought he was going to be 2358 01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,000 feeble. Oh, maybe not after all right? 2359 01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,680 Like there were like rumors about about him even being 2360 01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:50,200 Aegon's son at first, but then he grew up a little bit and 2361 01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:52,120 seemed more normal. Or maybe that would have 2362 01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:54,560 happened to Megor too, but it didn't. 2363 01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:57,280 But you could see why Aegon maybe blew it off. 2364 01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:00,640 So yeah, or maybe Aegon tried in ways that no one saw. 2365 01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:02,440 Or. Talked about and it didn't work. 2366 01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,000 That's another possibility, so that is true. 2367 01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,280 Megor got Dark Sister around age 25. 2368 01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:10,400 When he was 13 years old, so another five years after this 2369 01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:14,600 last note about him becoming a Squire, he had already had 2370 01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,800 Gaywin Korbre who was probably only the wielder of Lady 2371 01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:20,360 Forlorn, the Valyrian steel blade that that belongs to House 2372 01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:22,440 Corporate. He was master at Arms chosen by 2373 01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:25,520 Vicenia to Megor. They may have graded on Megor 2374 01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:30,440 and and Vicenia as well that the less Marshall Prince Aenis was 2375 01:51:30,440 --> 01:51:33,080 the one getting personal training from Aegon and the 2376 01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:35,400 Kingsguard. It was always on all these royal 2377 01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:38,440 progresses and getting all this attention. 2378 01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,960 A lot of like a lot of the things that can arise, the 2379 01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,640 problems that can arise with the second son getting pushed to the 2380 01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:48,840 side and getting ignored, It's a particularly bad set of 2381 01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:50,720 scenario. A bad scenario here because you 2382 01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:54,400 have a character who's pretty paranoid, pretty prideful, a 2383 01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:59,200 mother who's the same and maybe an extreme version of everything 2384 01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:01,960 going to the first son and and the second son getting kind of 2385 01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,400 left out of it. And those elements combining to 2386 01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:09,600 create a big problem, you know, pride and being left out and the 2387 01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:10,560 ability to do something about it. 2388 01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:13,640 Because Megor is a really strong warrior and he's going to be 2389 01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:16,280 looking on his brother like some weakling, you know? 2390 01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:18,880 And yeah. And not a lot of people around 2391 01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:20,360 to keep him in check either, Correct. 2392 01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:21,720 And. Vicenia, probably encouraging 2393 01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:22,960 him like she the kind of. Personality. 2394 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:27,280 She had hardliner hardcore, you know, ambitious. 2395 01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,240 Might makes right kind of mentality ruthless. 2396 01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:32,560 Yes, ruled by fear. Bit very. 2397 01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,800 Interesting person, but but hard, but very but hard. 2398 01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,960 But not to be taken lightly. Highly relevant too, is the 2399 01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,320 notion that Viceni was on Dragonstone a lot, so she was 2400 01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,880 not running King's Landing anymore. 2401 01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:46,760 She had been for a while, and that seems to have been given 2402 01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:47,880 more over to the hands of the king. 2403 01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:51,720 Now she's eventually going to return to King's Landing, but 2404 01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,560 when she does, Aegon moves back to Dragonstone. 2405 01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:58,480 So it's kind of suspicious that it's like he's keeping her away. 2406 01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:00,640 What happens is this is a little bit of a jump forward. 2407 01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,480 Is that Aegon's going to get, he's going to decide that the 2408 01:53:03,480 --> 01:53:06,880 Aegon Fort is too pitiful. It's wooden. 2409 01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:09,800 It's like this is no proper seat for the king, so he's going to 2410 01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,880 order it torn down and the Red Keep's going to be built in this 2411 01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:13,320 place. Of course, the Red Keep will not 2412 01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:16,560 be finished by the time he dies, but the process of building the 2413 01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,200 Red Keep, he's going to hand over to Vicenia and hand to the 2414 01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:21,680 King Alan Stokeworth, I think is the name. 2415 01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:23,840 And while he goes back to Dragonstone because he's no 2416 01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:25,680 longer got a place to live because he just had his place 2417 01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:29,320 torn down. So yeah, which we'll come back 2418 01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:33,120 to that to discuss the the building of the Red Keep and all 2419 01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:36,000 that as a separate topic. But in terms of this topic, it 2420 01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,880 just goes to show how it really seems like Megor and Visenia 2421 01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,320 were really not with Aegon a lot. 2422 01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,560 And maybe that goes back to why he spent so much time with 2423 01:53:43,560 --> 01:53:44,600 Reigns. It wasn't just that he liked 2424 01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:46,720 Reignes more. You might not have liked Vicinia 2425 01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:48,880 that much at all. Like this is the woman that, you 2426 01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:51,600 know, slashed him in the face when she just he disagreed with 2427 01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:53,600 her. She was probably right, although 2428 01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:56,120 maybe not to to slash him in the face. 2429 01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:57,760 She was right about the Kingsguard every time. 2430 01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:58,920 You're right. It doesn't mean you get to 2431 01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:00,320 attack someone violently. Yeah. 2432 01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,120 Yeah, yeah. So this is just. 2433 01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:04,560 Like kind of personality. She has. 2434 01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,440 She's not slashing him in the. Face left and right. 2435 01:54:06,440 --> 01:54:08,920 But this is the kind of, like attitude, the kind of like 2436 01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:11,240 personality she has. She's like, no, I'm right and 2437 01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:13,000 I'm gonna do what it takes to prove I'm right. 2438 01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:15,520 I'm gonna argue with you. We're gonna have conflict over 2439 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:17,000 this until it's resolved one way or another. 2440 01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:20,520 I'm not gonna back down. I'm not soft, so maybe didn't 2441 01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:23,600 bother her that much that she was left out, but she was still 2442 01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:26,520 very powerful, very dominant, and maybe it did bother her and 2443 01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:30,640 it maybe bothered her son too. So who are the usual suspects of 2444 01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:32,560 this era? Who are the big houses at this 2445 01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,400 time? It's not the same houses that it 2446 01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:36,720 is during A Song of Ice and Fire, although there is 2447 01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:38,400 certainly a lot of overlap, right? 2448 01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:41,280 I mean, the Lannisters are powerful then and now, but the 2449 01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,760 Lannisters were not amongst the houses trying to ingratiate 2450 01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,400 themselves with the Targaryens. They were not trying to get in 2451 01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:48,800 good. They were not sending a lot of 2452 01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:50,640 people to court. They were not trying to get 2453 01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:51,520 favors. And this. 2454 01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:54,080 They were too proud to do that. So again, we see the the 2455 01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:57,840 different faces of pride. You can be the proud type that 2456 01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,600 tries to outdo everybody else and winning the King's favor, or 2457 01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,000 too proud to even do that in the 1st place. 2458 01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,160 Like I don't need his acclaim, you know. 2459 01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,720 You know, it's just the same coin, but different, different 2460 01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:10,920 approaches. To be fair, they were also 2461 01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:17,520 physically farther away. And now then, pride aside, maybe 2462 01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:20,080 really didn't need the favors. They were wealthy and powerful. 2463 01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,080 They were going to What are you going to do for us anyway? 2464 01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:24,600 You know, it's like even if someone had been in charge, it 2465 01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:26,720 wasn't prideful. They still might not have been 2466 01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:28,920 butting up as much as you as others would be. 2467 01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,320 Yeah, and some just maybe didn't have the chance. 2468 01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:34,200 They maybe weren't allowed. Or there's too much else going 2469 01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,120 on in their own area. Like the Ironborn. 2470 01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:39,320 You don't hear about a lot of Ironborn at court at any era, 2471 01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:41,320 really. And again, too far away, Very 2472 01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:42,160 far away. You're right. 2473 01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:44,320 Different religion? Different cultural issues. 2474 01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:47,480 Maybe some just didn't want to because they were mad like the 2475 01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:50,520 Starks, like the Stark Suns, weren't a God to let go there on 2476 01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:52,320 purpose. They might have, you know, been 2477 01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:55,040 forced to or something. But the sound like that happens. 2478 01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,840 The Manderlys, as we said before, they might be all for 2479 01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,080 it. They might be like ready to find 2480 01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:01,640 an opportunity there. And they did. 2481 01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,800 There are a lot of Manderley Targaryen connections later. 2482 01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:06,960 There were even going to be a marriage that didn't actually 2483 01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:09,760 happen, but it was planned before the bride died. 2484 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,360 So there's a lot going on there that was a major connection. 2485 01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,720 Stark Targaryen didn't go so great early on, but manually 2486 01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,040 Targaryen did and held for a long time. 2487 01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:21,240 The veil cozied up pretty nicely as we as we've discussed during 2488 01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:24,880 the Dance of the Dragons era, a lot of connections between House 2489 01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:30,120 Aaron and the House Targaryen. I mean, the Sarris's wife was 2490 01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:35,080 half Aaron, and they had had a that was because of a prior 2491 01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:38,080 marriage. And the Tyrells and Tully's were 2492 01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,640 grateful for their rise and esteem. 2493 01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:44,240 But the Tyrells were a little occupied. 2494 01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:48,800 They were trying to establish themselves as the new rulers of 2495 01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:50,680 the Reach. A lot of houses weren't happy 2496 01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:53,160 about that. Plus, and maybe a bigger factor, 2497 01:56:53,320 --> 01:56:55,600 they suffered huge losses in the First Ornish War. 2498 01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:58,120 Just massive losses. They had a lot to deal with they 2499 01:56:58,120 --> 01:56:59,640 might have had. They may have struggled a bit 2500 01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:02,360 with the harvest because of all the loss of manpower, I don't 2501 01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:03,880 know, but it wouldn't have been easy. 2502 01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:05,840 They were definitely things that needed management. 2503 01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:07,760 The high towers, as we know, they made all sorts of plays to 2504 01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:10,200 get in good with the Targaryen through this faith through 2505 01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:12,280 marriage. Cerise Hightower is a big one. 2506 01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:15,480 They had made marriage offers before that the whole not 2507 01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:19,240 participating in the field of fire thing with the We had a 2508 01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:21,520 prophecy that said, you know, don't do that, Yeah. 2509 01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:23,240 So there's a they. Were they were making moves? 2510 01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:25,760 Well, they were maybe the most ahead of the game in terms of 2511 01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,440 getting in good with the Targaryens. 2512 01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:31,680 And that goes to show how far back some of these seeds were 2513 01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:34,840 planted. Right The high towers that truly 2514 01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:36,560 came to a head in the Dance of the Dragons. 2515 01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:40,440 But it started back in this era, so you have these factions 2516 01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:43,640 burgeoning within the Targaryen household, the Anis and Megor 2517 01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:48,240 factions, the two, the split Princess there and different. 2518 01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:53,000 Great, but one step down. Houses were associated with them 2519 01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:56,120 in various ways, like Baratheon, Celtagar and Valarian. 2520 01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:59,040 Baratheon particularly notable because the immediate blood 2521 01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:01,040 relation. But Celtagar and Valarian were 2522 01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:05,000 also Valyrian origin, so there's that. 2523 01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:08,920 By this Time, Lord Ori's had what seems to be three sons with 2524 01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:12,160 Argylla Durenden, and it's a kind of a rare case where we 2525 01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:14,840 know the name of the second and third son, but not the first 2526 01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:17,160 one, the one who who things continued through. 2527 01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:21,280 It's kind of unusual but we know the name of of who it continued 2528 01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:25,240 through of of the first born son of that unnamed, the first son 2529 01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:26,960 of Orias. Because Orias's first grandson 2530 01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:29,880 was Rogar Baratheon, born in 17 AC. 2531 01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,960 And Rogar is a big name, huge name. 2532 01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,720 Presumably he he was going to go on to be Lord Baratheon, of 2533 01:58:36,720 --> 01:58:38,600 course, Lord of Storms, and he's going to be hand to the King. 2534 01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:43,480 And yeah, we're we're going to have plenty to say about him. 2535 01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:45,680 Unfortunately, we don't hear anything more about Argylla, 2536 01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:49,080 even though she was such a big personality in that moment where 2537 01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,640 she was captured. Yeah, we hear, we hear nothing. 2538 01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:53,240 But clearly she's haven't she had children? 2539 01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:57,760 So where's that Alton Celtagar was important. 2540 01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,360 He was the hand since 9:00 AC and had been Master Coin before 2541 01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:02,960 that. He died in 17 AC. 2542 01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:07,240 So the same year Rogar was born, there was a hand, a change at 2543 01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:09,720 hand. I remember Ori resigned as soon 2544 01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:12,400 as he came back to King's Landing after being in captivity 2545 01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:17,520 at the hands of the widow lover. So we had again real quick Ori's 2546 01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:21,120 Baratheon hand from 1:00 to 7:00, Edmund Tully hand from 7 2547 01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:26,320 to 9, Alton Saltagar hand from 9 to 17, and now Osmond Strong 2548 01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,440 takes over. And Osmond Strong is going to be 2549 01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:32,200 in charge until about 35 AC, at which time he'll be replaced by 2550 01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:34,560 Alan Silkworth. Now, Osmond Strong is 2551 01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:38,520 interesting because he is hand for so long and he is the Hand 2552 01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:41,760 for the longest during Aegon's time, and he has the most to do 2553 01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:43,200 with a lot of these building projects. 2554 01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:47,720 And Speaking of those building projects, we had originally 2555 01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:50,840 planned on discussing the continuing story of King's 2556 01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:55,480 Landing today, but we had such robust discussions today. 2557 01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,800 We got so deep in these rabbit holes that we don't quite have 2558 01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,600 time for that, So we'll save it for another time. 2559 02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:04,600 King's Landing maybe is best handled as a standalone episode 2560 02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:07,680 someday, anyway. But regardless, we'll be coming 2561 02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:11,200 back to talk about it. How it grows and bustles and how 2562 02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:14,480 important that is, and how the need for greater protection and 2563 02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:17,560 the creation of walls and other things about it. 2564 02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:18,960 It's it's pretty darn interesting. 2565 02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:21,840 And there's more to it than just building walls. 2566 02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:24,200 There's a there's a sortie. There's a mission to the step 2567 02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:27,080 stones. Yeah, so we've got a lot more 2568 02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:29,440 coming, folks. This is good times. 2569 02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:32,960 It's a good time to be a fan of history of Westeros podcast. 2570 02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:37,440 We call this sort of the it's like the doldrums. 2571 02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:42,080 It's still the, it's still super fun, but it's a it's the longest 2572 02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:45,640 time out between like a TVA new TV show. 2573 02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:48,600 Like we know two are coming, but it's been a year and a half 2574 02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:52,240 since House of the Dragon, and that means we have fewer 2575 02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:54,880 listeners at this period. It's a real ebb and flow. 2576 02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:57,600 It's very seasonal and I don't mean like winter, spring, summer 2577 02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:00,440 and fall. It's like when things are 2578 02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:04,240 happening in the fandom, there's more of you listening to us and 2579 02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:07,480 it's yeah, it comes and goes. So we we appreciate those of you 2580 02:01:07,480 --> 02:01:10,280 who are here. Even when things are at their 2581 02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:14,240 lightest, we still have just our enthusiasm is the same. 2582 02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:18,720 We have the same level of fun. But you know, it is nice to see 2583 02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:23,160 those of you who are are here even in the the most hardcore 2584 02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:25,880 times when we get the deepest of our topics, some of the most 2585 02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:28,960 nerdy subject matter, some of the most in the weed stuff, 2586 02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:31,640 that's some when we have some of our best discussions, right. 2587 02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:34,040 I mean, we get at topics that are hard to get at. 2588 02:01:34,040 --> 02:01:36,880 It's hard to you don't always have answers, you know. 2589 02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:39,720 Some of these things are about human nature and and politics 2590 02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:44,280 and and belief, things that we never have truth about. 2591 02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:46,560 We only can do our best. And when we do get new material 2592 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:48,320 from a show or the book or whatever, we'll have a. 2593 02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:50,480 Lot more insight and preparation going into it. 2594 02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:52,880 That's true, yeah. But we will certainly keep them 2595 02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:56,520 coming. We will next time regale you 2596 02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:00,000 with tales of the first Royal House of the Dragon, because 2597 02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:02,480 I've long argued that Valerian was one of the main reasons for 2598 02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:04,680 the Conquest. Without such a particularly 2599 02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:07,600 mighty dragon, the ambition might not have been so lofty, or 2600 02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:09,880 the success might not have been so lofty. 2601 02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:12,160 But clearly it wasn't all about Valerian. 2602 02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:14,760 Because as we'll see with this first royal house, the dragon, 2603 02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:17,800 and as you may already know, the minute egg on the Conqueror 2604 02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:21,760 dies. The realm erupts in a number of 2605 02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:24,880 ways, and Valerian didn't die. Valerian was still sitting right 2606 02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:29,440 there. So that really argues a lot for 2607 02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:32,960 Aegon being the reason people were keeping their cool and 2608 02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:37,040 waiting, or bidding their time to unleash their vengeance. 2609 02:02:37,040 --> 02:02:40,000 Slash violence, slash opportunism on a weaker king, 2610 02:02:40,120 --> 02:02:42,840 One they saw coming because Amy's had plenty of time to 2611 02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:47,160 demonstrate his less strength than his father, the fact that 2612 02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:49,720 he wasn't as powerful or dangerous or whatever, they saw 2613 02:02:49,720 --> 02:02:52,400 it come. So that'll be a main topic for 2614 02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:55,680 us next time, and we hope you join us for that. 2615 02:02:55,680 --> 02:02:59,960 It will be great and fun. The trivia answer the question 2616 02:02:59,960 --> 02:03:03,320 was the first king of Aaron Hall died? 2617 02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:06,280 Thanks to Valerian. The first Lord of Aaron Hall, 2618 02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:09,000 Quentin Coharis, died of a fall from a horse. 2619 02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:11,800 We talked about that as a possible code for murder. 2620 02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:14,000 We don't know for sure that it was, but it might have been. 2621 02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:18,040 So yeah, next time Aegon's the rest of his family, all his 2622 02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:23,640 grandchildren and his sons and Vicenya and his daughter-in-law, 2623 02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:26,920 his other daughter-in-law. And then his death and how that 2624 02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:29,880 transition, assuming we can fit all that into one episode, which 2625 02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:33,800 I think we can, but if not we'll just go where the material takes 2626 02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:37,400 us, continue making our way through fire and blood, having a 2627 02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:40,560 great time with the material and with each other. 2628 02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:45,280 I've mentioned a couple episodes that you might more than a 2629 02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:47,960 couple episodes that are in our back catalog that might be good 2630 02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:52,440 for you all to listen to Before the Dragons of Weather and Under 2631 02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:55,520 the Dragons. The episode on Valerian, the 2632 02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:58,640 episode on Dragonstone. The episode's on Valerian and 2633 02:03:58,640 --> 02:04:02,640 Celtagar houses. Maybe you're interested in the 2634 02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:05,520 Hardcore Houses episode that we did recently that talks about a 2635 02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:08,160 lot about some of the Dornish houses and houses in the North. 2636 02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:11,600 Or perhaps you are interested in something completely outside the 2637 02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:15,320 Targaryen dynasty, like say the Reigns of Castamere episode that 2638 02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:17,960 we mentioned last time. We talked about the Lannisters a 2639 02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:20,040 bit this time, so why not throw that in there? 2640 02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,680 Yeah, and Highgarden. We have an episode on Highgarden 2641 02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:26,320 which reminds me of what I just said about maybe doing a full 2642 02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:27,640 episode on King's Landing sometime. 2643 02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:31,920 If you have ideas for topics that you want us to cover, let 2644 02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:35,080 us know at History of Westeros or rather Westeros 2645 02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:38,560 history@gmail.com or anywhere you find history of Westeros on 2646 02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:41,400 social media. Do you all have any last bits to 2647 02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:42,600 add? I know Sean, you wanted to give 2648 02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:45,440 some shout outs so we can pivot to you for that. 2649 02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:48,520 Yeah, I always have fun naming all some patron names, I hope. 2650 02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:49,800 Everyone out there appreciates it. 2651 02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:51,920 Whether you have one or not, I hope you appreciate hearing 2652 02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:55,040 these names. We've got This is Sir Glennon of 2653 02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:59,760 House Leanne called Lion Cloak and we have Lord Captain 2654 02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:01,040 Commander. Hema. 2655 02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:03,320 Helmet. The Cell Sword, Sentinel. 2656 02:05:04,160 --> 02:05:06,200 And here's one a lot of people might recognize. 2657 02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:09,800 The Radio Westeros dancers. One of our patrons, you have to 2658 02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:12,800 say it a certain way. It's the Radio Westeros dancers. 2659 02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:16,160 Oh, yes. If say like a 1960. 2660 02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:19,680 Carney, 1960s Carney. There you go, Westeros Dancer. 2661 02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:21,320 There you go. Or radio. 2662 02:05:21,320 --> 02:05:24,000 Host Yes, that was good. I got practice from that from 2663 02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:26,240 Kora. Series. 2664 02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:28,920 They had a character like that, the narrator, the intro. 2665 02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:31,960 Each episode was in that style. Yeah, Sarah. 2666 02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:34,160 Peter, the Stoic Who? Looked the drown. 2667 02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:38,680 God in the face, Gabe the Jade Blade, whose foes are skewered 2668 02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:42,560 and grilled, and finally, Sir Ben the Green. 2669 02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:44,200 Bear who? Sees victory. 2670 02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:47,880 I see victory. The bear sense. 2671 02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:51,000 Thanks as well to Nina for her great takes. 2672 02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:54,800 Lots of good discussion points from her today, which is as it 2673 02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:55,720 often is. That's right. 2674 02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:59,680 Thanks as well to Joey, Jesse Bran and Michael Klarfeld for 2675 02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:04,840 our video intros and music. You guys make us look so fancy 2676 02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:08,120 and professional and and sound fancy and professional as well. 2677 02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:11,440 We appreciate that for sure. And those of you who support us, 2678 02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:14,800 whether it's on Patreon or Spotify, if you want to do so, 2679 02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:18,120 go to historyofwesteros.com. We've got links to all the 2680 02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:22,080 various ways you can support us or engage with our sponsors, or 2681 02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:24,000 just find any one of our episodes. 2682 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:27,560 A Shaya has made our great episode searcher, which you can 2683 02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:30,520 also find there. So everything we talk about 2684 02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:34,160 should be available, or you can find the links to it on 2685 02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:38,560 historyofwesteros.com. It's kind of the catch all, if 2686 02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:41,880 you will. Until next time, my friends and 2687 02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:43,680 fellow W Orians, you know what to do. 2688 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:46,160 Valar Reritus.