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gotten pretty good at 
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you all have grown in that skill
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who have been with us for a long
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fandom with an active mind for 
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Yet arguably, it doesn't take a 
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clues for the future of A Song 
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When it comes to the notion that
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form or fashion, if not multiple
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foreshadowed. 
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obsession with wildfire or 
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the danger remains as caches are
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bombs in unknown locations. 
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but a select few. 
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There's only one person who 
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hidden caches, and I doubt they 
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anything. 
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well, you can't stop the problem
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Only one cache is required to do
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few, well, the damage is like 
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one sets off another, sets off 
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etcetera. 
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So it's really not just a * 2 * 
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TV show. 
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on the TV show was in 
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correlate, and also not just 
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highly involved characters and 
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TV version, like Aegon and Jon 
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having grayscale. 
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Great Sept explode via wildfire,
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spread it just it was this cool 
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no like follow up to that. 
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happens, there will be follow up
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So that's important. 
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though not 0 use to us today. 
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destruction. 
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those who burn the city and 
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burning the city is not 
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alignment there. 
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symbolism and foreshadowing. 
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Danny to Cersei to Rainier, it's
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here that add to the whole group
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we have for you today. 
There's fires of many sources, 

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flames of many colors cascading 
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Burn them. 
All that and more on this 

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Littlefinger being one 
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Let's start off with a trivia 
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The question is, who tells Jon 

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Connington that Tywin Lannister 
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the ground at the outset of 
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Like I said, let's have a little
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We have King's Landing. 

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We have the last burning. 
We have Aries's revenge. 

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We have the lions of wildfire. 
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We have a quote of the day. 
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sending a super chat saying 
history of Westeros, burn it. 

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Yeah, yeah, we will burn it. 
We we're doing some burnings 

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today. 
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Walkers would say burn it. 
King's Landing. 

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WWI didn't catch that. 
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OK, they're yeah, they're all 
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That makes their job easier, 
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I'm all about burning it. 
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Let's get going. 
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you're a listener to this show, 
King's Landing was built by 

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Aegon the Conqueror, along with 
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with the day-to-day of the 
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planning in mind, but etcetera. 
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years before the Dragons died 
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came later, and they were mostly
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wildfire is far harder to put 
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maybe can't or has a harder time
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So it. 
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each other early on, it was 
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Magor did burn the Sept of 
Remembrance and then built the 

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Dragon Pit on top of the ruins 
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That was a little symbolic in 
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other branch of his family, the 
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water access within the city was
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completion of the Dragon Pit. 
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Alison who convinced Jaharis 
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water. 
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destroyed itself during the 
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course of the show, yeah, 
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some of Aries's caches are still
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conventional fire, but medieval 
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proto pseudo medieval city is 
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the 12th and 13th centuries that
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Ignorance on proper safety to 
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People like almost every house 
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extinguisher. 
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Westeros. 
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So the last burning, that's our 
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What we mean by the last burning
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Landing had something along the 
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bigger version of 1/4 of the 
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when the Great Spring sickness 
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but it was the transitional 
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ruling as Aries was being 
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that. 
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job day-to-day, which meant 
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sickness as it pertained to not 
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everywhere. 
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ordered a bunch of corpses, the 
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dragon pit like that was a, a 
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from the general population of 
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For some reason, he chose 
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Maybe he just thought this would
be more effective in making sure

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the disease is eradicated within
these corpses. 

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I'm not really sure, but it's a 
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And here's a quote. 
Worst hit of all was King's 

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Landing, the High Septon. 
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as did a third of the Most 
Devout and nearly all the Silent

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Sisters in the city. 
Corpses were piled in the ruins 

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of the Dragon Pit until they 
stood 10 feet high, and in the 

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end Bloodraven had the 
pyromancers burn the corpses 

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where they lay. 1/4 of the city 
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them, but there was nothing else
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That last line of the quote is 
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describes the level of damage. 
1/4 of the city. 

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That's huge, right? 
King's Landing is big, but it 

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also absolves Bloodraven, or at 
least purports to, by saying if 

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he hadn't done this, it would 
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That's basically the message 
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Like 1/4 of the city went up in 
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it, maybe the entire city would 
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of the city or something like 
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So better to lose a lot of 
property than to lose a lot of 

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people. 
I think pretty much all of us 

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can agree with that. 
Now we we're missing some 

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details here. 
Maybe there's more to it, less 

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to it. 
Maybe, maybe blood Raven made a 

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mistake. 
Maybe it was even more obvious 

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than it seems, who knows? 
But it's it appears that the 

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alternative was worse rock and a
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And it seems like even the even 
with their level of medieval 

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knowledge about how infections 
spread, it seems like they had 

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the right idea burning the 
bodies. 

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That probably was the correct 
call using wildfire. 

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I'm not sure that was the 
correct call, but maybe they 

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weren't able to burn. 
Maybe they just couldn't get it 

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to work with regular flames 
because the bodies were too 

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fresh. 
I don't know. 

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I I'm not really clear on the 
burning of corpses and the 

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logistics there. 
So anyway, we wonder how much 

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control blood Raven had over 
this fire. 

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I mean, they didn't expect the 
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They weren't like, well, we got 
to burn all these corpses and it

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will probably spread, but that's
worth it. 

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No, they probably had no idea 
that would happen. 

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Then of course, it's wildfire. 
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of understanding that there was 
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expected it to get out of hand 
in a mundane situation like 

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this. 
I mean, it's one thing when 

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caches of wildfire might 
explode, right? 

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This is a controlled burn where 
they're like we're trying to 

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burn corpses in a on the top of 
a hill where there's not a lot 

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of other buildings, right? 
So like the fire spread down the

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hill and then out and around it,
I presume maybe it didn't go 

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evenly around the hill, but 
Ashay can pull up a, a map of 

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King's Landing here shortly and 
you can see just to get a 

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general idea, it's a very packed
in place. 

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Like Nina was saying, King's 
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It's lots of people live there. 
It's a huge place, but it 

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doesn't have a lot of extra 
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Like all the space is used 
right. 

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It's like a like a New York or a
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of empty space. 
Every square inch is has a 

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function, you know, they're, 
they're trying to leverage every

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little bit for, for people's 
living space or for storage or 

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whatever. 
And most of these things are 

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flammable, whether they're 
people, buildings and it's 

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wildfire. 
The list of what's flammable to 

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wildfire goes way up, right. 
It's it includes things like 

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stone and metal, which regular 
fire. 

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Nah, it's it's not going to be a
problem. 

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It's even possible if you want 
to get really dark here, maybe 

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Blood Raven was intentionally 
letting the the fire spread. 

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Maybe he wanted it to hit 
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just out of general ruthlessness
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the most plague ridden parts of 
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And he's like, well, if all 
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if that part of the city is just
full plague, if we burn it, that

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still might be a good thing. 
The lesser of two evils kind of 

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thing. 
Now we don't know that for sure,

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but it's it's a worthy thought 
to have in mind. 

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That's the kind of thing Blood 
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Well, look in the map, you see 
what it's next to. 

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It's right next to the Street of
Silk. 

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So like taking on sex workers? 
That'd be bad, yeah. 

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Or maybe he wanted to. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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He either targeted them or 
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something. 
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So, yeah, you're right. 
Just by looking at the buildings

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around the area, you can maybe 
come up with theories as to what

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he was thinking one way or the 
other. 

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Like, yes, I want this to be 
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protect this. 
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factor, I think, is probably who
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who's alive, I mean, people that
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plague. 
And those might be targets. 

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They might be like, yeah, let's 
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The craziest thing to me here is
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what 1/4 of the city is, 1/4 of 
the city would actually also 

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include up to Flea Bottom. 
Like if it was that quarter, it 

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would include the Street of Silk
and Flea Bottom both. 

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That's what's over there. 
And we it's great that you 

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mentioned that because this is 
going to come up a little bit 

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later in the episode when we 
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Blackwater. 
And yeah, like Blood Raven might

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not be terribly concerned about 
Flea Bottom. 

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It might be where the plague is 
particularly bad because there's

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most people are living in closer
quarters to each other and they 

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have even less knowledge about 
infectious diseases. 

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That which is already the bar is
really low there. 

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But yeah, so it's a very 
interesting consideration here. 

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And all these factors matter to 
us, both the plague and the 

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burnings and the targeted 
burnings and where the layout of

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King's Landing and what 
buildings might get hit or not 

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might not get hit. 
All this matters for our 

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purposes. 
And then analyzing what could 

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happen in the current story, 
because plague is part of it. 

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It could. 
We could have grayscale. 

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Grayscale could be involved. 
We got John Connington heading 

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to King's Landing. 
Secret plague bearer John 

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Connington, right? 
Nobody's planned for that, Not 

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even Varus, the guy who's 
planned all this 20 years on, he

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doesn't know about that part. 
And this thing with Bloodraven 

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wasn't super long ago. 
We're talking 9091 years ago, 

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counting from the end of A Dance
with Dragon. 

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So for counting from the 
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even a little bit less. 
So even if you discount 

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grayscale as a possibility, 
there's other plagues that are 

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possible too. 
Just any general sickness 

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becomes more likely when food 
gets scarce and people huddle 

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together for warmth and winter. 
The communicability of diseases 

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goes way up. 
And then you add to that the the

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ignorance of how these things 
work in a setting like this. 

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So again, it's important to keep
in mind the dragon pit is on the

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hill of Raines, which again is 
the same place that Magor burned

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the Sept of remembrance. 
That's a pretty important so 

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that that didn't cause fires to 
spread elsewhere. 

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Even the even though he used 
Valerian and burned the whole 

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thing down, like that's nothing 
spread, but when it was wildfire

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in a controlled environment, 
Megger wasn't controlling that. 

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He's burning a septus, you know,
torching the thing. 

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You can kind of assume the 
pyromancers were using some sort

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of plan to burn those corpses 
and something went wrong. 

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Maybe something along the lines 
of what happened in Summer Hall,

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by the way. 
Just goes to show how hard it is

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to keep control of that stuff. 
You wonder too, like, how did it

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stop the quarter of the city 
burned? 

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Did they do something to make 
that happen or did it just gut 

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itself out eventually? 
They had no ability to stop it 

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and it just died on its own 
wildfire. 

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Just that's what they say. 
It keeps going, but it does have

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a limit. 
It doesn't just keep going 

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forever, right? 
In fact, we can get into that a 

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little bit. 
Let's do that. 

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A small amount of wildfire 
probably isn't going to consume 

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like all the stones, streets, 
and bricks of the entire city, 

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but a large amount could do a 
lot of damage to even stone and 

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brick and things like that. 
Let's check in with an expert on

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this one. 
Halene the pyromancer. 

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What it is what I'm saying here 
basically right? 

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That is so once it takes fire, 
the substance will burn fiercely

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until it is no more more. 
It will seep into cloth, wood, 

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leather, even steel. 
So they take fire as well. 

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Tyrion remembered the red priest
Thoros of Mir and his flaming 

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sword. 
Even a thin coating of wildfire 

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could burn for an hour. 
Thoros always needed a new sword

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after a melee, but Robert had 
been fond of the man and ever 

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glad to provide one. 
Your hailing voice sounded a 

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little bit like Bobby Hill. 
I've been watching lots of King 

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of the Hill ahead of the 
revival, so yeah. 

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That's funny. 
I was. 

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Trying to give really do trees. 
Funny y'all Speaking of the King

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of the hill revival, the first 
episode is called Return of the 

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King, which I just love that 
anyway Thoros's sword. 

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It sounds like it's well, it is 
ruined, but it doesn't sound 

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like it just turns entirely to 
ash, right? 

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It isn't like the steel is an 
entirely obliterated or 

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disintegrated or whatever. 
There's still some steel there. 

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It's just this really full of 
holes and it loses its edge and 

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all that. 
And Halene does say, does say, 

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the fire does run out 
eventually, It says until it is 

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no more. 
So yeah, it does have a 

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lifespan. 
It can't just burn forever. 

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Which brings us in turn to the 
sister hill of Rainey's Hill. 

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The Senya's Hill. 
Yeah. 

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Sister Hill. 
They were sisters. 

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Their hills were sisters before 
they had those names. 

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Yeah, which now has the Great 
Sept of Baylor atop it. 

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So it's really a case of history
repeating itself. 

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Rainey's Hill had the Sept of 
Remembrance, which was then 

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burned to the ground. 
Now we have the Great Sept of 

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Baylor atop it, and the 
Pyromancer's Guild happens to be

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below it. 
This is really symbolic, isn't 

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it? 
The fire seething and burning 

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below the surface of the hill, 
as if it were the fires of the 

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earth or the gullet of a dragon.
And what color was Visenya's 

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mount? 
Vegar was green, of course. 

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Perhaps not the vivid green of 
wildfire, but green nonetheless.

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So that's the kind of a cool 
little pairing there. 

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Could these flames burst forth 
explosively, like the fires of 

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the Earth, like an emerald 
volcano? 

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Like a like a version of the 
Doom, but with wildfire instead?

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Which hey, that fits because 
most theories about the Doom 

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include some sort of human 
trigger, whether it's the 

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killing of the sorcerers of the 
Fort that are keeping the 14 

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flames back or some other thing.
And who it was that killed those

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sorcerer's, right? 
Was it the Faceless man, my 

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favorite theory, or was it just 
the Valyrians themselves just 

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going back and forth too much 
murdering each other? 

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So it really does provide us 
with a possibility, a Doom like 

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scenario within King's Landing 
where this entire pyromancer's 

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Guild could go up exploding and 
the entire hill and the Sept 

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would go with it. 
And since we saw the Sept 

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explode on TV, the idea is a 
little bit more believable 

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because, yeah, maybe George gave
the TV show runners that idea. 

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They they didn't necessarily 
come up with that on their own. 

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In fact, most big plot points 
you assume came from George, 

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just that it didn't necessarily 
come from him exactly the way it

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was portrayed. 
The big changes were probably 

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made, but the bottom line of an 
exploding Great Sept might be 

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what we're in store for. 
And if so, as I said during the 

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intro, it would be so different 
because, yeah, first of all, we 

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have the Pyromancers Guild, 
maybe the whole hill exploding 

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and not just the Sept. 
Second, while we would have the 

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fallout from that, all the 
secondary tertiary fires that 

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start from that explosion, there
would be wildfires spewed 

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everywhere later in the episode.
We're going to recap and recall 

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some of the Battle of Blackwater
where we see wildfire explode. 

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We get vivid descriptions of 
exploding wildfire, including 

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like how high and far it goes. 
And that gives us an idea of 

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just how destructive something 
like this could be. 

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Because a ship blowing up in the
Bay is nothing compared to an 

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entire hill full of wildfire 
blowing up and taking a giant 

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church with it, right? 
That's way bigger. 

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And of course, it's makes sense 
that it would escalate to bigger

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things that we start off. 
You know, book 2's got some 

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pretty big wildfire explosions. 
We hear about someones in the 

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past summer Hall this other 
things wildfire burning the 

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corpses, culminating in some big
climactic explosion in the main 

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series, right? 
That really fits. 

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And getting back to logistics a 
little bit, we talked about 1/4 

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the city of Shea had some good 
takes there on what buildings 

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were nearby. 
We have an idea that the 

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population is roughly 500,000. 
Now we can't just say strictly 

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1/4 of the city means 1/4 of the
population was killed because 

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people can move, they can run 
away from the fires and, and not

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every part of the city is 
equally populated. 

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But if it's but just for as a 
basis, 1/4 of 500,000 is 125,000

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people. 
That's a lot of people. 

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That's a huge number of 
casualties in any scenario. 

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But in Westeros, where it's very
rare to have that many people 

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even in one place, like this is 
the only place in the entire 

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continent this could even happen
other than maybe Old Town. 

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Landis Port I don't think is big
enough for that. 

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And certainly Goal Town and and 
White Harbor aren't. 

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So like you can think about what
happened. 

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Some people fled before the 
battle of the Black Wars. 

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Some people fled King's Landing 
to escape it before the battle. 

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Some other people were fleeing 
into King's Landing, though, 

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during the before that when war 
was ravaging the Riverlands and 

447
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,040
and Tywin's Raiders and reavers 
were burning the the region from

448
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,560
the God's eye to the Red Fork. 
So as he, you know, using his 

449
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:58,120
own words or Kevin's words 
rather, or both anyway, so I 

450
00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:05,040
must reiterate, wildfire, if 
controlled wildfire took out 1/4

451
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,960
of the city hunter blood Raven, 
what's uncontrolled wildfire in 

452
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,960
much larger amounts going to do.
It's epic and destructive and 

453
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,160
wow, all at once. 
Yeah, this isn't as slow an 

454
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,280
actual burn. 
This is cash is going off huge. 

455
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,680
300 jars at once or something 
like that. 

456
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,760
Hundreds of jars at once. 
Just exponentially more 

457
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,400
explosive. 
Now, just as a a fun side note 

458
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,720
before we move on to the next 
section, Aegon the Unworthy also

459
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,400
managed to burn 1/4 of the 
Kingswood with his wooden dragon

460
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,920
contraptions slash siege engines
that were designed to launch 

461
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,000
wildfire. 
Yeah, if you've heard this part 

462
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,240
before, you're shaking your head
like, man, that guy was a dummy,

463
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,120
wasn't he? 
Yeah. 

464
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,360
How do you create wildfire 
launching devices that are made 

465
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,200
of wood? 
That's dumb. 

466
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:02,840
So somehow these these dragon 
shaped wildfire carrying siege 

467
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,360
engines caught fire on the way 
to Dorn. 

468
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,840
Couldn't have possibly been 
sabotaged, could it? 

469
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,120
The Dornish heard about this and
they're like, this is the 

470
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:15,640
easiest thing to sabotage ever. 
You just burn one torch and the 

471
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,280
whole thing goes up. 
But yeah, it took out 1/4 of the

472
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,960
Kingswood. 
That's a massive forest, right? 

473
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,640
So another quarter, by the way, 
that's kind of that number just 

474
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:24,160
thrown around. 
I. 

475
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,480
Tell you, thinking about that 
first fire taking out 1/4, I'm 

476
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,600
like, this fire has to be bigger
in my head, right? 

477
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,120
Your fire's going to be in your 
head. 

478
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,520
No, Yeah, no, you're right, 
though. 

479
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,680
It's going to be enormous, it 
seems like. 

480
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,000
Right. 
So you think it would be half 

481
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,560
the city? 
Well, if you look at the map, 

482
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,440
half the city would 
theoretically include the red 

483
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,600
key. 
I don't know that I see the Red 

484
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,600
Keep going completely up because
maybe it's so high up, but maybe

485
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,360
the whole base of the Red Keep 
is is in flames around the the 

486
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,360
high hill. 
And as we're going to see, we're

487
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,600
about to go through this next 
section, the places where the 

488
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,120
wildfire caches were found, 
which might be mean there's more

489
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,000
of them there. 
And yes, the Red Keep is one of 

490
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,080
those spots. 
Yeah, yeah. 

491
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600
So yeah, the Red Keep could 
detonate because of hidden 

492
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,280
wildfire. 
That's. 

493
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,480
It's absolutely possible. 
Even if it doesn't go on fire 

494
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,760
completely, I think it would 
make collapse. 

495
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,560
Detonate is the right word 
because it's on the hill, and I 

496
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,560
think it. 
Could lead to sink down in. 

497
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,800
Yeah, the show gave us the 
destruction of the Iron Throne. 

498
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440
What if the whole keep and the 
Iron Throne go up instead of a 

499
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,520
bigger version of that? 
Yeah, I mean, I look at the map 

500
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,720
and it does look awfully 
precarious there. 

501
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,800
Right. 
Could sink into the sea. 

502
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,640
The Iron Throne just goes way up
in the air and just flies out 

503
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,680
into Blackwater Bay. 
Harris's revenge. 

504
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,760
Though few know it, King's 
Landing has Jaime Lannister to 

505
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,840
think for foiling Aries's plan 
to detonate huge numbers of 

506
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,600
wildfire caches placed 
strategically around the city. 

507
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,760
The idea seems to be that only 
one cache need be lit to set off

508
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,840
a chain reaction that would 
unleash all the rest. 

509
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,440
That's crucial for us because 
conventional fire would take a 

510
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,520
serious, concerted effort to 
devastate King's Landing. 

511
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:59,200
I don't. 
I mean it. 

512
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,800
Even with what Nina said, they 
should be able to get it under 

513
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320
control, but not but not if it's
wildfire. 

514
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,320
But the weird thing about that 
is no one actually wants to burn

515
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,280
King's Landing to the ground. 
Aries did, but he's dead. 

516
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,000
Even dragon fire, like even if 
Danny was like determined to 

517
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,400
burn down Dragon King's Landing 
with, with Drogon, which I don't

518
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,640
know why she would do that, but 
even if she wanted to, it takes 

519
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,600
so long, you know, like, and she
can't burn the stone streets and

520
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,160
she yeah, like this isn't 
wildfire. 

521
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,880
So wildfire is actually more 
effective at this. 

522
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,800
So we pretty much have to 
envision wildfire as part of the

523
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,960
equation. 
If we were, if we're going to 

524
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,440
envision the whole city or most 
of the city going up in flames, 

525
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,360
it's going to be because of the 
wildfire. 

526
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,800
It, it's probably going to be 
something else that starts it, 

527
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,240
but the wildfire is going to be 
the main, the most destructive 

528
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,040
element here, more so than the 
dragon fire, Nina adds. 

529
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,120
I think when we imagine 
potential and probable future 

530
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760
wildfire explosions from the 
caches under King's land, we 

531
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,440
should imagine something like a 
nuclear explosion. 

532
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,840
This would and will be a series 
of chain reaction explosions of 

533
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,400
fire which cannot easily be 
extinguished and which 

534
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,440
exponentially increases the 
power of other wildfire. 

535
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,000
Yeah, it's, it's really set up 
to be monstrous. 

536
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,600
And so this is where we come 
back to Aries, because you need 

537
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,200
a madman for this. 
Only a madman, only an insane 

538
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,880
person actually wants to burn 
the whole city down. 

539
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,200
Dan, even if Danny goes mad, 
which I'm very skeptical about, 

540
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,520
she's not going to want to burn 
the whole city. 

541
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,120
And if she and if she does, 
she'll get this assist from her 

542
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,960
dead father, who you know, 
without even knowing it, because

543
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,920
in the effort to burn the city 
down, these caches would go off.

544
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,840
And that won't be something she 
planned for. 

545
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Again, no one knows about the 
caches. 

546
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,080
So yeah, 'cause most people who 
who come to King's Landing with 

547
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,560
violent intent, they want to 
capture it. 

548
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,560
They're not trying to destroy 
the whole city forever. 

549
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,000
Aries is like the only one 
Whoever like, had that idea and 

550
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,800
well, here's how Jamie remembers
it. 

551
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,680
This is crucial. 
Let's get into the weeds with 

552
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,480
Aries quote. 
He saw traitors everywhere, and 

553
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,400
Varies was always there to point
out any he might have missed. 

554
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,960
So his Grace commanded his 
alchemist to place caches of 

555
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:11,640
wildfire all over King's 
Landing, beneath Baylor Sept and

556
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,920
the hovels of Fleabottom, under 
stables and storehouses, at all 

557
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,880
7 gates, even in the Cellars of 
the Red Keep itself. 

558
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Everything was done in the 
utmost secrecy by a handful of 

559
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,880
master pyromancers. 
They did not even trust their 

560
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,920
own acolytes to help. 
Those locations are so telling 

561
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,560
beneath Baylor Sept in 
Fleabottom in the Cellars of the

562
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840
red keep. 
Those are and then the general 

563
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,320
stables and storehouses which 
just and at all 7 gates. 

564
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,600
Good Lord, that's like they 
really covered their bases. 

565
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,240
These were crazy people, but 
they know how to plant bombs and

566
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200
they know how to make sure their
plan work by not telling other 

567
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,880
people and then all getting 
killed. 

568
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,440
They died with their secrets, 
right? 

569
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,840
Gosh, this is this is big. 
So yeah, the the stables and 

570
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,720
storehouses part just like adds 
to the the bigness of it all. 

571
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,840
It's like, well, this is that's 
too generic to give us specific 

572
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640
locations. 
But like there's tons of stables

573
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,800
and storehouses in similar type 
buildings throughout King's 

574
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Landing, especially in a place 
like Westeros that has has to 

575
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,480
have, even though George doesn't
talk about it a lot, you have to

576
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,440
have massive amounts of storage 
for winter, right? 

577
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Because of just the cycles of 
weather that exists in this in 

578
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,040
this world, you have to have big
storage for winter and then 

579
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,920
everybody knows winter's coming.
So it serves to show just how 

580
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,320
widespread they were, how 
thorough they were and how large

581
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,240
they were too. 
Because we've when we get to 

582
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,280
some of the examples, we see 
that these are we're talking 

583
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,120
hundreds of jars in some of 
these caches. 

584
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,920
And it really reinforces, as 
Nina points out, that yes, Aries

585
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,000
was aiming for full obliteration
of King's Landing. 

586
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,560
The burn them all thing that's 
literal book Aries didn't 

587
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,440
actually say that, but he said 
similar things like make King's 

588
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Landing a charred bones and 
cooked meat and ashes. 

589
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,680
So, yeah, same sentiment. 
Burn them all is this kind of a 

590
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,640
sexy, simple way to put it, And 
it's effective. 

591
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,920
And I thought that was a good 
way for the TV show to do it. 

592
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,320
But. 
Yeah. 

593
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,160
And and the book version, as 
usual, a little more, a little 

594
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,400
more detailed, a little more 
nuanced, but it's the same basic

595
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,000
message. 
Yeah. 

596
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,200
Everybody dies, everybody burns.
So Jamie was smart about it, but

597
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,800
it was it may have been beyond 
him, if we're being honest. 

598
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,640
Like, he didn't just kill all 
the pyromancers he found. 

599
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,400
He made them show where the 
caches were, and then he killed 

600
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,480
them and they had the caches 
removed, but clearly he missed 

601
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,480
some. 
And how and how not they. 

602
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,960
There were so many caches, and 
the pyromancers probably on some

603
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,840
level understood at least some 
of them. 

604
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,880
But Tammy wasn't going to let 
them live. 

605
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,080
So what incentive do they have 
to give up all the info? 

606
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,400
They could say, hey, yeah, 
here's a few caches, knowing 

607
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,440
he's going to kill them. 
What? 

608
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,880
Leave a few? 
Don't tell him about all of 

609
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,560
them. 
Why tell him? 

610
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,160
You know what? 
What incentive do they have? 

611
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,520
You know they're going to die 
anyway or go to the black cells 

612
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,240
or meet some horrible end. 
They have no incentive to give 

613
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,240
the truth, the whole truth. 
Only enough to placate Jamie so 

614
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,720
he doesn't, like, torture them 
or. 

615
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Or make them, you know, 
something like that. 

616
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,760
He may have not even trusted all
the pyromancers. 

617
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,920
He was so paranoid. 
He may have had extra caches 

618
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,240
hidden by other people, like 
backup caches. 

619
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,400
Yeah, like maybe Rossart, the 
the head pyromancer was also 

620
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,080
like going above and beyond what
Aries asked for because he's a 

621
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,360
psycho. 
Like Aries was right? 

622
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,640
So he didn't tell everybody. 
Maybe they knew that by not 

623
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,160
telling each other, this ensured
the plan would work. 

624
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,880
If no one, it's the standard 
kind of operating procedure for 

625
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,280
terror cells. 
You don't tell your fair fellow 

626
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,440
terrorists where the other 
terrorists live or where they've

627
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,400
stashed their weapons because 
then no one can extract that 

628
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,360
information from you. 
If you don't know the secret, 

629
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,520
they can't get it out of you. 
It's common practice among 

630
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,560
organizations that require great
secrecy is to not tell anyone. 

631
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,760
Then you can't torture it out of
them. 

632
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Yeah. 
So given that plus Aries is in 

633
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,880
exceptional level of paranoia, 
how could we really think Jamie 

634
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,240
got them all? 
And again, we know he didn't, 

635
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,720
but thinking of it this way just
drives that point home. 

636
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,640
It's like there's probably a lot
of them he didn't find, but 

637
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,480
here's an example of one we know
he didn't find that was 

638
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,280
discovered later. 
Quote. 

639
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Another cache of Lord Rossarts 
was found more than 300 jars 

640
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,080
under the Dragon Pit. 
Some whores have been using the 

641
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,720
ruins to entertain their 
patrons, and one of them fell 

642
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,800
through a patch of rotted floor 
into a cellar. 

643
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,840
When he felt the jars, he 
mistook them for wine. 

644
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,440
He was so drunk he broke the 
seal and drank some. 

645
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,800
Echoes of Aryan bright flame who
Tyrion in like the next 

646
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,240
paragraph thinks of like, oh, 
that's there's a Targaryen who 

647
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,720
who did that. 
Didn't work out for him either. 

648
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,280
Yeah, 300 jars though. 
Damn, that's a lot. 

649
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,760
It only takes one jar to take 
out a whole ship. 

650
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,360
You know, this would have been a
pretty large boom had it gone 

651
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,480
off. 
And it just really emphasizes, 

652
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,800
as Nina points out, the 
terrifyingly unknown extent of 

653
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,159
the wildfire caches here and the
dragon pit. 

654
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,880
We we already saw that when 
Magor had Valerian, the same 

655
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,360
dragon who could burn Harrenhal,
those fires didn't spread, 

656
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,120
didn't cause some massive 
conflagration. 

657
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,719
But this, Yeah, it will. 
And here's a second example. 

658
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,520
You know what happens when 
George gives us an example and 

659
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,600
then gives us another nearly 
identical example? 

660
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,800
There's nothing to do but look 
at this as foreshadowing. 

661
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,679
Right quote. 
Only last year, 200 jars were 

662
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,600
discovered in a storeroom 
beneath the Great Sept of 

663
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,360
Baylor. 
No one could recall how they 

664
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,280
came there, but I'm sure I do 
not need to tell you that the 

665
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,640
High Septon was beside himself 
with terror. 

666
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,720
OK, Baylor's Sept, again, as 
mentioned, and Jamie knew there 

667
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,320
were some in the Sept of Baylor.
He listed the Sept of Baylor as 

668
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,600
a place where he knew wildfire 
was and he got it, but there 

669
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,280
were still some there. 
This is proving the point I was 

670
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,160
saying earlier about they did 
not have incentive to tell him 

671
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,760
where it all was. 
If they even knew some of the 

672
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,400
pyromancers that he was holding 
a sword to their neck saying 

673
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,280
tell me where the wildfire is, 
they might not have known. 

674
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,840
And it's again, we have the high
septon here. 

675
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,000
This is high septon. 
This is the same High Septon 

676
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,120
that has passed and another one 
was then another one after him 

677
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,600
was murdered by Osney 
Kettleblack on Cersei's orders 

678
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,680
and now it's the High Sparrow 
right? 

679
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,000
So enough people have died now 
that this may have been 

680
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,640
forgotten. 
The wildfire thing it just by 

681
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,440
the time we get to the High 
Sparrow in multiple changes of 

682
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,360
leadership, he probably has no 
idea about this. 

683
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,440
So. 
So it sounds like both Hills, 

684
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,400
Rainey's and Visenya's Hills are
both compromised, especially 

685
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,320
Visenya's because it's where the
Pyromancers Guild exists and the

686
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Sept, which is multiple 
foreshadowings. 

687
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,560
And the TV show. 
And what are the odds that those

688
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000
were the last two caches? 
No, those were the only two. 

689
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,680
Jamie got all the rest except 
those two. 

690
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,000
The odds are 0, but those were 
the last two, right? 

691
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,200
In the real world, you might 
not. 

692
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,800
You can't go that definitive 
with 0. 

693
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,000
This is a story. 
We can be definitive. 

694
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,840
This isn't the real world. 
George is setting us up here, 

695
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,440
but we picked up on it because, 
well, that's what we do. 

696
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Even in the TV show, there were 
green explosions in King's 

697
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,280
Landing when Danny was scouring 
the city with with strafes of 

698
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,320
Drogon. 
They were just mysterious green 

699
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,640
flames that popped up. 
It's clear the TV show had a 

700
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,320
plan for this and abandoned it. 
They thought about the wildfire 

701
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,440
caches going off and then just 
said, Nah, never mind. 

702
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,440
But they left the green fire 
there. 

703
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,800
If you go back and watch that 
episode or lower that scene, 

704
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,200
you'll see green fire popping 
off, some explosions of it. 

705
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,840
It just again, it amounted to 
nothing. 

706
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,360
It was just like, hey, there's 
some green fire. 

707
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,160
Those of us in the know like us 
were like, hey, that's wildfire.

708
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,680
But it was like it didn't do 
anything. 

709
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,560
It didn't add to the, you know, 
it should have caused extra 

710
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,840
destruction, but they didn't 
really portray it that way. 

711
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,560
It was just hey, green fire over
there. 

712
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:07,000
So I mean, at least it was 
there, but it was kind of cool. 

713
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,080
I guess. 
It was probably part of their 

714
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,120
dream sequence. 
Aries going burn them all stuff.

715
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,160
There's probably they just 
decided to drop that along with 

716
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,960
a lot of other things that they 
dropped anyway. 

717
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,800
Yeah, I know. 
They were like, well, let's set 

718
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,840
ourselves up for this. 
Actually, we're tired. 

719
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,920
We're tired. 
It'll just be cool to have green

720
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,160
fire. 
We don't have to go any beyond 

721
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,560
it. 
We don't have to explain it or 

722
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,640
go anywhere with it. 
Just green fire. 

723
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,280
And of course, so it's like, 
yeah, they, they clearly knew 

724
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,360
what they were doing with that. 
Like in terms of setting that 

725
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,040
up, they just abandoned it. 
He's like, where where? 

726
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,800
Why else would there be green 
fire there? 

727
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,280
So they, they knew, they had an 
idea they got, they were told by

728
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,880
George. 
So it was there. 

729
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,120
They just gave up on it. 
And here's another thing. 

730
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,200
Like, look at this line by 
Haileen talking to Tyrion. 

731
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,160
Tell me this isn't further 
foreshadowing for all this 

732
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,880
quote. 
As it ages, the substance grows 

733
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,120
ever more fickle. 
Let us say any flame will set it

734
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:04,720
a fire, any spark, Too much heat
and jars will blaze up of their 

735
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:08,480
own accord. 
It is not wise to let them sit 

736
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,760
in sunlight, even for a short 
time. 

737
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Once the fire begins within, the
heat causes the substance to 

738
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:23,240
expand violently and the jars 
shortly fly to pieces. 

739
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,520
If other jars should happen to 
be stored in the same vicinity, 

740
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,320
those go up as well, and so. 
He's describing the chain 

741
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,960
reaction that would occur, or 
should we say will occur. 

742
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,000
And again, Nina suggests nuclear
reaction, just a chain reaction 

743
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,520
of massive expansions of matter 
and energy. 

744
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,080
And yeah, so he's not only 
saying, giving us all this 

745
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,280
evidence that there's wildfire 
cash is still in the city, but 

746
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,480
he's also saying that if you 
look at them funny, they 

747
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,160
explode. 
I mean, this like the tiniest 

748
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,160
little bit of heat. 
Yeah. 

749
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,040
Like, these are the most 
fragile, most, like, ready to 

750
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,120
blow substances that you can 
imagine. 

751
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,480
And George is like, yeah, don't 
even some of y'all already 

752
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,560
remembered a Saturday Night Live
commercial from the early 90s. 

753
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,400
It was happy fun Ball where it 
was like this great toy for 

754
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,160
children. 
But then the warning was like, 

755
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,240
happy fun ball contains a liquid
core which can accelerate to 

756
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,720
dangerous speeds. 
Do not taunt happy fun ball. 

757
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,760
You know, it's like, don't you 
can't taunt the wildfire. 

758
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,760
It'll explode on you. 
So the, the older caches are not

759
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,120
only just out there and hidden, 
but they're more dangerous than 

760
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,920
new ones. 
It's this is massive, right? 

761
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,240
And this is clever. 
This is really clever by George 

762
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,800
because he's not setting this up
for later. 

763
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,240
It's there, but the converse, 
and you can catch that. 

764
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,000
It's for later. 
But the thrust of this 

765
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,720
conversation is Tyrion trying to
prepare wildfire as a defense 

766
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,880
against Stannis. 
So it's a very active plot 

767
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,040
heading in another direction, 
but it's also groundwork in book

768
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,840
two that isn't going to pay off 
until book six or seven or 

769
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,880
something like that. 
So it's like, damn, George, good

770
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,960
one. 
It's multi purpose. 

771
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:03,880
It's active in that moment as a 
defense for the battle, but it's

772
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,880
also set up for a greater 
conflagration later. 

773
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:09,720
And even before any of this, 
like Aries's obsession with 

774
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,080
wildfire began before the notion
that he would blow it up, that 

775
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,400
he would make him a dragon or 
one of these other silly things 

776
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,840
that got into his head. 
The other insane notions he had.

777
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,120
He also he just used it for 
heating. 

778
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,280
Like during winter. 
He was like, hey, pyromancers, I

779
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,920
want to make wildfire lamps, 
which sounds kind of dangerous 

780
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,640
and maybe expensive, but it 
might be efficient. 

781
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,160
I don't know, 'cause more 
wildfire you can use other 

782
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,960
things as fuel that might be 
cheaper, you know, like lamp oil

783
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,360
is more expensive than stuff 
that wildfire will burn. 

784
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,240
Which is, you know, anything. 
Anyway. 

785
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,800
To repeat though, no matter who,
how all these caches go off, 

786
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,680
whether it's by someone looking 
at them funny or during a battle

787
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,520
where fire is already spreading 
or a dragon happens to hit it, 

788
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,760
it's going to be an accident. 
No one knows they're there. 

789
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,680
So it has to be an accident. 
You can't have advanced 

790
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,560
knowledge of that because no one
has advanced knowledge of that 

791
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,000
unless a certain person does 
know. 

792
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,680
And we'll get to that in a 
minute. 

793
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:10,880
There's one person I still have 
in mind for that. 

794
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,200
So it's a, it's a dichotomy, 
right? 

795
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,480
Again, the thing I introduced at
the intro, it's, it's, there's 

796
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,720
the catalyst for the fire and 
there's the blame. 

797
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,240
The blame, as we've outlined 
here, a lot of it's Aries, if 

798
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,880
not most of it, but that's not 
how it's going to actually play 

799
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,320
out. 
People aren't going to know that

800
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,800
because people don't. 
Very few people even know Aries 

801
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,640
did this in the 1st place. 
So how are they going to know 

802
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,080
that it was him? 
They're not even going to think 

803
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,920
of him. 
So keep that in mind. 

804
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,400
Meanwhile, let's move on to our 
next section, the Lions of 

805
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,760
Wildfire. 
Aries is not the only one who 

806
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,680
used wildfire in King's Landing,
of course, but even he is 

807
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,200
associated with one of three 
Lannister siblings, each of whom

808
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,240
have a strong relationship to 
wildfire. 

809
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,680
Janie, one who tries to stop it,
Tyrion, one who uses it 

810
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,120
reluctantly, and Cersei, one who
has used it and wants to use it 

811
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,280
again. 
Cersei's association with 

812
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,360
wildfire goes back to the 
preparations for the Blackwater.

813
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,400
Everyone remembers Tyrion's 
clever use of it, but it's easy 

814
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,200
to forget that it was 
technically Cersei's initiative.

815
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,080
She came up with the idea to use
it, and it would be amazing if 

816
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,000
it turned out that Varys planted
that suggestions. 

817
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,080
Our Varys was like, hey, maybe 
you should use wildfire here. 

818
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,480
He who also was Aries's advisor 
during all that. 

819
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,880
And yes, I'll reveal now that it
was it's Virus who I'm thinking 

820
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,880
of when I say someone might know
where some of the caches are. 

821
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,760
Like, Virus is so close to Aries
and he would have maybe been a 

822
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,160
part of those meetings or spying
on them, those secret meetings 

823
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,360
between Aries and the 
pyromancers. 

824
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,800
That doesn't mean he can keep 
track of all the caches. 

825
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,720
Even Virus wouldn't necessarily 
know about all of them, 

826
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,080
especially if even they didn't 
know. 

827
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,960
So again, Virus can't filter out
secrets that no one knows. 

828
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,560
So Serb going back to Cersei, 
though, she had begun the 

829
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,680
preparations to use wildfire in 
the coming battle and might have

830
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,040
mucked it up because she's not 
cautious. 

831
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,480
You know, Tyrion took that risk 
extremely seriously. 

832
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,520
And as Hand acting Hand of the 
king, he took over that job from

833
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,480
her and she was fine with that. 
He's like, yeah, you go ahead 

834
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,920
and you plan for that. 
And because he took the risk 

835
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,280
seriously, it mitigated the 
potential for Searcy not being 

836
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,760
serious enough with it. 
He couldn't count on her to 

837
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,120
issue commands in a way that 
would minimize the risk, but he 

838
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,400
could count on himself for that.
He understood the risk. 

839
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,840
And all throughout A Clash of 
Kings, we saw him go to great, 

840
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,840
great lengths to make sure that 
wildfire was handled by 

841
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,760
competent people. 
He had this elaborate scheme of 

842
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,040
empty jars that would contain 
wildfire on the day of the 

843
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,560
battle, but prior to that would 
be empty so that he could or not

844
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,320
not empty, but filled with green
paint. 

845
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,800
So that when his commanders and 
soldiers are working with it and

846
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,520
planning with it and preparing 
it and practicing with it, only 

847
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,280
the people that are sure handed 
that don't drop their paint are 

848
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,440
the ones that are given the job.
So he went through this long 

849
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,800
schema of testing and planning 
and saying, OK, who's capable, 

850
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,200
who's competent? 
Who can I count on? 

851
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,360
These are things that Cersei 
probably wouldn't have done. 

852
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,880
So that's important. 
You got to see like the fact 

853
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,640
that Tyrion was like the only 
even though he was using the 

854
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,280
wildfire, he was maybe the only 
person keeping it from becoming 

855
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,040
a disaster too, right? 
Like it's both his careful 

856
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,560
management of it against the 
enemy in the right way that kept

857
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,800
it from becoming a bit much 
bigger problem and it even and 

858
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,640
even then it almost became a 
bigger problem as we'll see. 

859
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,760
It's actually kind of an 
interesting case of Cersei and 

860
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,360
Tyrion working together, which 
technically in A Clash of Kings,

861
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,520
they actually did work together 
in a few different things while 

862
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,640
also working against each other.
He actually admits to himself 

863
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,880
that wildfire was a good idea 
for from Cersei. 

864
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,440
He doesn't tell her that he 
doesn't want to compliment her 

865
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,200
on that, but he's like, yeah, 
actually this is pretty smart. 

866
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,480
But he also quickly amends that 
note to himself, I think. 

867
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,800
Yeah, but it it's not a good 
idea for her to be in charge of 

868
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,760
it. 
So it's a microcosm of why 

869
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,520
Tyrion was sent to be acting 
Hand in the first place. 

870
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,520
Now here's a great moment of 
symbolism, if not foreshadowing 

871
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,960
during the battle to Blackwater 
from the other major witness POV

872
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,680
during that battle. 
Sansa quote. 

873
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,920
Cersei beckoned to her page for 
another cup of wine, a golden 

874
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,080
vintage from the Arbor, fruity 
and rich. 

875
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,320
The Queen was drinking heavily, 
but the wine only seemed to make

876
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,600
her more beautiful. 
Her cheeks were flushed and her 

877
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,920
eyes had a bright, feverish heat
to them as she looked down over 

878
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,880
the hall. 
Eyes of wildfire, Sansa thought.

879
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,960
Not to mention the Arbor Gold 
knob there, which is a a clue 

880
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,560
for dishonesty taking place. 
Lying taking place. 

881
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,080
And of course, she has green 
eyes. 

882
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:45,160
Yeah, green eyes, yeah. 
So check out our Arbor Gold 

883
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,840
episode with Chloe from Girls 
Gone Cannon for more on that 

884
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,600
topic. 
Lies and Arbor Gold What? 

885
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:51,800
Did I say? 
What did I say? 

886
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:53,320
No, you just said the Arbor Gold
up. 

887
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:53,800
Oh. 
My bad. 

888
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,360
Yeah. 
If you're searching it, it's 

889
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,320
Lies and Arbor Gold. 
Yeah, yeah. 

890
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,080
So there's another time when 
Tyrion thinks of her eyes, 

891
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,600
Cersei's that burn like 
wildfire. 

892
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,720
It's when she's trying to 
convince the council and him 

893
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,200
that he, Tyrion, should leave 
the city to deal with the 

894
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,120
Tyrells. 
Of course, it's Littlefinger who

895
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,160
ends up doing that, but she's 
like, she loves the idea of 

896
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,240
getting Tyrion out of the way 
because he's got, you know, Hand

897
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,920
to the King authority, and she 
doesn't like that and other 

898
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,840
reasons, too. 
There's another, though Jamie 

899
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,560
notices it too. 
Quote. 

900
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,720
Their father had been as 
relentless and implacable as a 

901
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,920
glacier where Cersei was all 
wildfire, especially when 

902
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,640
thwarted. 
So both Lannister siblings think

903
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,320
of Cersei, and with this 
association of wildfire, 

904
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,800
especially her eyes. 
And Sansa does too. 

905
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,280
Then she goes on to suggest 
Haileen with Bobby Hill's voice 

906
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,440
as a possible Hand of the King, 
like Aries, right? 

907
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,360
She's he's, she's flirting with 
the idea of naming A pyromancer 

908
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,880
hand to the king, just like 
Aries did, just like an Aries, 

909
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,320
of course, with all these 
wildfire vibes. 

910
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,160
It's like, hello, Cersei, Aries,
you're so much like him. 

911
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,560
I mean, and Cersei has so many 
other qualities you would be 

912
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,480
looking for if you're trying to 
find a revenge arsonist 

913
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,040
candidate. 
She's she's got a lot of it, 

914
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,680
right? 
She loves wildfire. 

915
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,560
She loves watching it. 
And at the time of this though 

916
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,560
back in Clash of Kings, she 
wasn't Apov yet. 

917
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,640
Her role is kind of passive in 
this scene, which is a rare 

918
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,680
phrase to apply to Cersei. 
But let's move on. 

919
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,240
Keeping Cersei in mind and 
getting back to the and getting 

920
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,640
more into the details of the 
battle and wildfires use there 

921
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,400
Greenfire Blackwater. 
Tyrion did make excellent use of

922
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,960
wildfire to defeat Stannis's 
fleet. 

923
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,520
Taking Cersei's idea and running
with it, making it very 

924
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,520
effective. 
Destroying ships in close 

925
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:39,920
quarters was a great way to use 
it. 

926
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,800
He took extreme care, right? 
He didn't want any back. 

927
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,960
Wild firing going on and he gets
to witness some of it. 

928
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,800
Here he sees Aries's fruits come
to fruition. 

929
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,640
Quote. 
He saw another of the hulks he'd

930
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,840
stuffed full of King Aries's 
fickle fruits, engulfed by the 

931
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,880
hungry flames. 
A fountain of burning jade rose 

932
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,360
from the river, the blast so 
bright he had to shield his 

933
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,400
eyes. 
Plumes of fire 30 and 40 feet 

934
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,640
high danced upon the waters, 
crackling and hissing. 

935
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,200
That was almost like a tongue 
twister for a second there. 

936
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,400
Fickle fruits. 
Just imagine that inside the 

937
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,480
city, just going off 30 to 40 
feet, you know, crackling and 

938
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,120
hissing so bright you have to 
shield your eyes. 

939
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,880
Like how many of you have 
watched fireworks displays in 

940
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,560
your life? 
Probably most of you, if not all

941
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,720
of you. 
I can't recall them being so 

942
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,200
bright that I have to shield my 
eyes. 

943
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,080
Bright, sure, but so bright I 
have to shield my eyes. 

944
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,520
This is really bright. 
And and Tyrion's not like that 

945
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,440
close to it. 
He's on the walls of the Red 

946
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Keep. 
Seeing this play out in 

947
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,560
Blackwater Bay, that's 
something. 

948
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,080
So when Nina keeps referring to 
it as like nuclear blast level, 

949
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,280
I think she's on to something 
there, right? 

950
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,120
I mean, maybe not quite as much 
radioactivity, but still 

951
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,720
wasteland type stuff we're 
talking about like massive 

952
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,400
devastation. 
Davos is on the receiving end of

953
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,600
wildfire, and here's what I'll 
read. 

954
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,480
A wall of red hot steel, blazing
wood and swirling green flames 

955
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,800
stretched before him. 
The mouth of the Blackwater Rush

956
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,600
had turned into the mouth of 
Hell Green Hill. 

957
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,240
Which, by the way, is a song. 
Metallica covered it green how 

958
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:20,280
that is. 
So yeah, the. 

959
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,840
That's crazy, right? 
Like all these descriptions are 

960
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,640
on the water. 
It's a great way to set up 

961
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,920
what's coming later by having it
play out on the water, where it 

962
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,520
even spreads on the water a 
little bit. 

963
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,320
But imagine it inside the city. 
It will spread way more and 

964
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,600
cause way more damage. 
I mean, several examples, 

965
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,360
multiple perspectives. 
Stone and brick and glass added 

966
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,480
to that mix instead of just 
wood, the ships exploding, 

967
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:48,360
you've got buildings, you've got
earth, stone, steel, glass at 

968
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,640
high velocity. 
I remember a show that is no 

969
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,920
longer around. 
The podcast was called The 

970
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,560
Podcast of Doom, and it was a 
show I listened to every episode

971
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,240
of and it was dedicated to 
mankind's greatest disasters. 

972
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,640
Mankind's greatest not not the 
earth's greatest disasters. 

973
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,960
The difference being man caused 
this disaster. 

974
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,760
It's not like a volcano going 
off because that's not man's 

975
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,800
fault. 
That's not humanity's fault. 

976
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,560
But the largest shipping 
disaster ever in the history of 

977
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,480
the world happened in a port I 
think in anyway. 

978
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,400
It was in Texas, coast of Texas,
there was a shipping disaster 

979
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,200
where a ship came in too fast 
and it was carrying explosives 

980
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,680
and it was, there was all this 
warning of it because the ship 

981
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,880
couldn't stop, but it was firing
off its its horns and the, and 

982
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,520
people knew like it was coming 
and it was inexorable 'cause 

983
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,280
they couldn't stop it. 
But it still took a while for it

984
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,800
to collide with the harbor. 
And so it gathered a crowd. 

985
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,800
People were like watching from a
distance. 

986
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,320
People are looking at it. 
People are like up to hundreds 

987
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,400
of yards away, a half a mile 
away. 

988
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,320
People are looking at this 
through windows, waiting for it 

989
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,520
to happen, waiting for the ship 
to collide with the shore. 

990
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,680
And when it happened, the 
explosion was so big that 

991
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,760
multiple people had glass blown 
into their eyes and went blind, 

992
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,720
which is just a level of 
devastation that we should be 

993
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,360
considering for this. 
Like this is just, people are 

994
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,800
going to have no idea how big 
the explosion will be in this 

995
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,200
case, of course, they won't even
see it coming. 

996
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,920
And and they won't see the slow 
motion ship coming towards the 

997
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,240
shore and going what's going to 
happen? 

998
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,080
They didn't even expect an 
explosion there. 

999
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,480
In that sense, it'll be similar 
because the people of King's 

1000
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,480
Landing will be like, Oh my God,
there's a battle happening or 

1001
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,200
there's a dragon attacking or 
whatever. 

1002
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,080
They won't expect a giant 
explosion. 

1003
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,720
Like explosions aren't really a 
common thing, a common part of 

1004
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,480
knowledge in medieval settings. 
Like where? 

1005
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,160
How often are there explosions 
in their world at all? 

1006
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,000
Right? 
Explosions are a modern world 

1007
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,800
thing for the most part, you 
know, I believe. 

1008
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,640
Other than like volcanoes? 
I believe you're talking about a

1009
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,760
1947 industrial disaster at 
Galveston. 

1010
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,360
Galveston, TX. 
Yeah, that that's what you mean.

1011
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,080
It says killed at least 581 
people. 

1012
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,920
Ultimately this chain reaction 
of fires and explosions, it 

1013
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,400
actually, yeah, because it had 
all this ammonia nitrate. 

1014
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,720
This is definitely gives King's 
Landing explosion here. 

1015
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,400
Yes, Right. 
Yeah. 

1016
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,640
So And people, some people I and
it's funny, it's called the 

1017
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,960
Podcast of Doom, which is like 
the Doom of Valyria, the Doom of

1018
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,320
King's Landing, as we're talking
about here. 

1019
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,640
As an aside, people, one time 
someone asked me like, why do 

1020
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,160
you listen to that show? 
That sounds horrible. 

1021
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,720
It sounds like so depressing. 
And I'm like, yeah, but it makes

1022
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:21,800
my problems, my personal 
problems seem tiny by 

1023
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,800
comparison. 
You know, it's like you hear 

1024
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,360
about the worst disastrous 
humanity has ever suffered. 

1025
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,560
It's like, yeah, boy, my me 
being a little short on the 

1026
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,600
mortgage this month or because 
I'm just making shit up, you 

1027
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,720
know, like, that seems tiny 
compared to, you know, or I've 

1028
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,440
got a cough this month. 
You know, I stubbed my toe like,

1029
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,880
yeah, but 580 people were killed
in this shipping disaster back 

1030
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,200
in Galveston. 
You know, that's that's a bigger

1031
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,000
problem, right? 
Anyway, so we got to look at 

1032
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,360
the, that's convent, a somewhat 
conventional of fire. 

1033
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,360
The, the, the shipping disaster 
involved. 

1034
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,680
Like I say, I said, sodium 
nitrate, which is a precursor to

1035
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,680
gunpowder. 
It's a ammonium nitrate, 

1036
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,640
ammonium, I'm sorry, ammonium 
nitrate. 

1037
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,080
We, we talked about that 
actually during the TV season of

1038
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,320
House of the Dragon with all 
that bat guano just like piled 

1039
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,160
up in Harrenhal and how that 
could actually go off like that 

1040
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,120
could explode all that because 
bat guano has that quality can 

1041
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,640
it can be ignited. 
Now, bat guano is not a problem 

1042
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,120
in King's Landing as far as I 
know, but we do get a look at 

1043
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,920
what just at what regular fire 
could do. 

1044
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,280
So we get a look, we've seen 
wildfire, we've talked about 

1045
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,200
dragon fire. 
But here's just just what 

1046
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,840
regular fire can do in King's 
Landing is pretty bad enough. 

1047
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,080
And here, here we go, a look at 
what almost happened during the 

1048
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,480
Battle of the Blackwater. 
Quote, My Lords, there's smoke 

1049
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,560
in the city. 
Flea bottoms of fire. 

1050
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,000
Tyrion was inutterably weary, 
but there was no time for 

1051
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,240
despair. 
Ron, take as many men as you 

1052
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,720
need and see that the water 
wagons are not molested. 

1053
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,400
Gods be good. 
The wildfire, if any blaze 

1054
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,880
should reach that. 
We can lose all of Fleabottom if

1055
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,520
we must, but on no account must 
the fire reach the Guild hall of

1056
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,040
The Alchemist. 
Is that understood? 

1057
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,400
It's just more set up. 
The fire didn't reach the Guild 

1058
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,040
hall of The Alchemist, but he's 
planning the suggestion of what 

1059
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,840
would happen if it did. 
We can lose all of Flea Bottom 

1060
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,360
if we must. 
That refers to the other 

1061
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,240
ruthless angles that leaders 
might take when considering 

1062
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,800
which population and sections of
of the city are most valuable to

1063
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,920
them, which the poorest section 
is predictably the least 

1064
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,480
valuable to them. 
But in this case, it's worse 

1065
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,960
than that, because they also are
willing to sacrifice it to 

1066
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,520
prevent the fire from spreading.
Which is not entirely evil, 

1067
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,120
right? 
He's right that you can't have 

1068
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,720
it reach the the stories of 
wildfire. 

1069
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:46,560
Tyrion is not wrong to to act 
like that is the worst possible 

1070
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,920
outcome because he's right. 
If it did reach there, then what

1071
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,320
what we're talking about 
happening in the future would 

1072
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,160
have happened back then in a 
clash of kings. 

1073
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,240
But it's also a reminder that a 
conventional fire started could 

1074
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:03,160
lead to this outcome. 
Flea bottoms is burned for some 

1075
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,880
other reason. 
It's some other scenario. 

1076
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,240
The same risk is is is present 
or would become present. 

1077
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,960
And Halene speculation at the 
presence of magic and Dragons is

1078
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,720
helping the process of creating 
wildfire. 

1079
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:20,400
It's making it work better. 
Does that make wildfire itself 

1080
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,040
more potent in the current 
times? 

1081
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,400
It might. 
It certainly isn't going to be 

1082
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,840
less potent, right? 
And imagine instead of 

1083
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,040
conventional fire creeping 
towards the stores of wildfire 

1084
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,400
that we have in this scenario 
during the Battle of the 

1085
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,560
Blackwater, what if it's actual 
wildfire flames creeping towards

1086
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,440
the stores of wildfire? 
The fire managers Guild. 

1087
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,680
In which case the water wagons 
won't do anything. 

1088
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,920
They will not help at all. 
You need the sand wagons. 

1089
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,480
The sand is 1 is one of the 
things the fire managers use to 

1090
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,560
stop wildfire from spreading. 
And there are no sand wagons. 

1091
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,400
There's no such thing as far as 
we know. 

1092
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,440
Maybe they should have such a 
thing, but like they don't and 

1093
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,720
this would create tension to the
story. 

1094
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:02,320
I think what we might get, Nina 
and I were discussing this right

1095
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,960
before going Live Today, is the 
possibility that they will in 

1096
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,040
the book, there will be some 
sort of like ticking time bomb 

1097
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,680
type narrative where someone is 
aware that the caches are there.

1098
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,680
Maybe Jamie thinks of it. 
He's like, you know what? 

1099
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,880
Maybe I didn't get all those 
caches and plants the suggestion

1100
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,200
somehow or maybe virus appears 
on screen for a minute. 

1101
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,160
I don't know how a virus would 
appear on he's not a POV. 

1102
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,760
So you still This is why it's 
tricky to imagine the scenario. 

1103
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,680
But what I'm getting at is what 
we saw on TV was pretty 

1104
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,760
effective even though it was 
maybe a little silly. 

1105
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,080
Lancel slowly seeing the flame 
get closer and closer to the 

1106
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,680
wildfire building that tension 
is that it's like a fuse like an

1107
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,120
hourglass. 
That was pretty effective as, as

1108
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,560
building the tension before the 
explosion as people inside the 

1109
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,680
Sept were ignorant of what was 
about to happen, except for 

1110
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,600
Marjorie, who starts to be like,
hey, y'all, maybe we should take

1111
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,240
this seriously, you know, and 
then it was too late that I 

1112
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:57,880
could see something vaguely like
that. 

1113
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,920
Not the not necessarily the 
Marjorie being in the Sept and 

1114
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,640
all that stuff, though. 
Maybe I just mean the, the 

1115
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,520
ticking clock of the explosion. 
That would be an effective story

1116
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,400
because otherwise it's like it 
just all of a sudden we have 

1117
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,840
explosions and it's like, wait, 
where did. 

1118
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,240
Yeah, it it might be more 
effective if we see that, see 

1119
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:16,680
the sand through the hourglass 
of that flame getting closer, 

1120
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,400
something like that. 
So, yeah, something along those 

1121
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,440
lines. 
Now, again, Tyrion, only Tyrion 

1122
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,280
knew what to do. 
It was only Tyrion keeping 

1123
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,000
everything under control in that
battle. 

1124
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,160
I don't mean the Lannister 
success. 

1125
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,400
I mean the wildfire. 
Only one brain in that entire 

1126
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:38,200
mix of the battle on either side
was thinking of what happens if 

1127
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,560
this wildfire gets out of 
control and only one man was 

1128
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,760
issuing those commands and he 
almost died, right. 

1129
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,320
He he ended up in the in the 
battle, he ended up with his 

1130
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,000
face cut open and nearly 
drowned. 

1131
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,840
If the danger of wildfire hadn't
passed before that, then the one

1132
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,280
guy that knows to keep the city 
from going up in flames is out 

1133
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,040
of action and then that level of
protection is gone. 

1134
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,680
So just consider how easy it 
would be to start a fire inside 

1135
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,040
the city in a combat or non 
combat situation. 

1136
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,200
You got maybe Aegon and John 
Connington's army, the Golden 

1137
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,600
Company, like battering down the
gates, throwing torches, fire 

1138
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,920
arrows, any number of things, 
right? 

1139
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,480
Or like Danny with her, with 
Drogon, right? 

1140
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,360
That's not necessarily a 
conventional fire, but it's 

1141
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,960
close enough. 
Or just some saboteur inside the

1142
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,720
walls. 
Like we had the antler men who 

1143
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,160
were planning on helping Stannis
opening the gates for them. 

1144
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,760
Bars sniffed that out, and the 
antler men were disposed of. 

1145
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,360
But what if they hadn't been? 
What if there were some inside 

1146
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,400
element, some sort of inside the
wall element, helping those on 

1147
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,800
the outside get in? 
They could start a fire as a 

1148
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,640
distraction, thinking it's a 
good idea to help their cause, 

1149
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,240
not knowing that starting a fire
on the inside could lead to 

1150
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,880
caches of wildfire going on 
saboteurs inside the wall. 

1151
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,400
Starting fires is a very mundane
thing during a large battle, 

1152
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,440
especially with all these 
different factions. 

1153
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,200
And so, yeah, multiple factions.
We it's not just one-on-one. 

1154
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,920
We got Aegon's faction, we got 
the Lannisters, we got the 

1155
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,840
Tyrells, who may or may not 
stick with the Lannisters. 

1156
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:10,000
We got Euron's faction, We got 
the North, we've got the Vale. 

1157
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,680
Yeah, there's lots going on now.
Maybe one place we can say maybe

1158
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,520
did get cleared of his caches of
wildfire is Fleabottom because 

1159
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,760
it caught fire during the Battle
of Blackwater and nothing 

1160
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,280
exploded. 
But I could be wrong here 

1161
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,560
because what if Braun was 
effective at bringing the water 

1162
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,920
wagon to Fleabottom and and 
stopped the fire before it 

1163
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,280
spread? 
We don't hear about Fleabottom 

1164
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,160
being burned to the ground or 
after the battle of Blackwater, 

1165
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,200
so maybe the caches just didn't 
get hit and it was a close run 

1166
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,920
thing. 
So yeah. 

1167
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,200
So even this we can't be sure 
about. 

1168
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:43,120
There might still be caches of 
Fleabottom, Searcy and the 

1169
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,960
tower. 
Let's talk about that. 

1170
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,280
The burning of the Tower of the 
Hand is another use of wildfire 

1171
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,720
by a Lannister we should take a 
look at. 

1172
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,240
It's the only time we get her 
POV on wildfire because again 

1173
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,080
and during Clash of Kings when 
her she's got the eyes of 

1174
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,200
wildfire, she's not at POV yet. 
She doesn't have her first 

1175
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,720
chapter till till A Feast for 
Crows. 

1176
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,360
Even though she's been deeply 
involved with the substance. 

1177
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,560
We just don't get to see that. 
So here's her take on it. 

1178
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,080
When she's watching the wildfire
take out that tower, it's a 

1179
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,800
little creepy. 
Cersei felt too alive for sleep.

1180
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:16,080
The wildfire was cleansing her, 
burning away all her rage and 

1181
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:22,240
fear, filling her with resolve. 
The flames are so pretty, I want

1182
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,160
to watch them for a while. 
I'm with you there. 

1183
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,440
Honestly Cersei green flame is 
really nice looking. 

1184
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,440
It looks I love multi colored 
fires. 

1185
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,120
Yeah, we like to get those 
little pouches you put in your 

1186
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,880
campfire or whatever, or the 
magic flame or whatever they 

1187
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,640
call it, and it makes it all 
multi colored. 

1188
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,720
I love that. 
And I think black walnut is the 

1189
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,080
one that actually does burn 
green when you're when you're 

1190
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,320
putting it in your fireplace. 
So this is the most recent going

1191
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,160
on with Searcy and Wildfire. 
And the reason I want to bring 

1192
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,080
it to your attention is because 
all that stuff in the Clash of 

1193
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,840
Kings and some other things 
point to a big reckoning with 

1194
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,320
Searcy and Wildfire. 
It's not this. 

1195
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,280
This isn't all that was in 
leading up to desert burning the

1196
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,960
Tower of the Hand. 
Now this is additional 

1197
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,440
foreshadowing for something 
bigger. 

1198
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,000
This is too small of an event, 
right? 

1199
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,240
It's just not that big of a 
deal. 

1200
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,840
It's also especially given 
George didn't even plan to write

1201
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,040
A Feast for Crows back when he 
wrote The Clash of Kings, so 

1202
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,000
this was added on. 
This is a bonus material, right?

1203
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,760
And when he added those wildfire
eyes, he wasn't thinking of this

1204
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,720
because it wasn't even part of 
the plan then. 

1205
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,320
I don't think so this. 
But on the other hand, this was 

1206
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,440
a good example of a well 
controlled use of wildfire. 

1207
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,480
Unlike the pyromancers during 
the Great Spring Sickness, this 

1208
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,520
one didn't get out of hand. 
This one worked, which is 

1209
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,160
another reason to think it's not
foreshadowed. 

1210
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,360
It wasn't foreshadowed because 
this was a cool moment, but it's

1211
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,720
more about showing Cersei's 
relation to wildfire than 

1212
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,960
showing the destructive power of
it and how it can get out of 

1213
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,240
hand and what else it can do. 
Because this was actually well 

1214
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,760
controlled. 
I don't think it was a great 

1215
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,360
idea necessarily for Cersei to 
burn down the tower. 

1216
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,800
But on the other hand, someone 
really needed to do something 

1217
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,920
about all those secret tunnels. 
So, like, they're really a 

1218
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,000
problem, aren't they? 
We have with Cersei coming back 

1219
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:04,040
to the fact that she has this 
big problem with the face right 

1220
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,240
now with the High Sparrow and 
all that business, with her 

1221
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,440
trial and all that. 
And so she's made an enemy of 

1222
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,040
them. 
They've made an enemy of her. 

1223
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,360
And once again, I come back to 
the Pyromancers Guild being 

1224
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,000
right below their headquarters. 
Two pieces of foreshadowing for 

1225
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,280
caches under the Great Sept. 
It's just a lot, right? 

1226
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,600
This is so hard to not think 
this is important. 

1227
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,280
And I also come back to the idea
of how silly it was on the show 

1228
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,040
that the wildfire didn't spread 
after all that there was a 

1229
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,280
massive explosion and then the 
city was like, ah, we're fine. 

1230
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:34,520
Nothing. 
There's no, there's no 

1231
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,000
collateral damage from that. 
Don't worry about it. 

1232
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,800
So that's going to happen, I 
think. 

1233
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,960
But will it burn down the whole 
city? 

1234
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,720
I still think they they weren't 
too wrong about that. 

1235
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,960
I think it's going to have a 
bigger effect than nothing, but 

1236
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,560
I don't think it's going to end 
the whole city. 

1237
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,640
I don't think this event, I 
don't think Cersei's use of 

1238
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,640
wildfire will be the final be 
all. 

1239
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,760
I think Cersei's use of 
wildfire, but I don't think you 

1240
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,880
think that it's only. 
The only chance of the wildfire 

1241
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,800
going off is Cersei's use. 
Right. 

1242
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,640
No, I think I want. 
To be clear about that, you said

1243
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,800
it like that because you're 
talking about Cersei in this 

1244
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,080
context, but I you probably 
think it's just as likely that 

1245
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,080
just an attacker and aggressor 
of King's Landing sets it off. 

1246
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,360
Yeah, I do think that. 
I don't. 

1247
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,800
I think that Cersei will use 
Wildfire, but she won't be the 

1248
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,680
one to accidentally detonate the
caches. 

1249
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,240
She'll her use will be 
intentional and we'll end with 

1250
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,240
that. 
It won't go beyond because it 

1251
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,240
won't hit the other triggers. 
I think these attackers, either 

1252
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,920
Connington or Danny, are the 
main culprits that we're going 

1253
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,920
to discuss in the second-half 
are the ones that are likely for

1254
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,520
that. 
Whereas Cersei is, yeah, she's 

1255
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,440
kind of got her own plot, her 
own burnings. 

1256
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,160
And yeah, it's like this is part
of what makes it a little harder

1257
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,960
to predict because George is 
doing multiple things here. 

1258
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,240
Also, getting back to Cersei's 
thoughts there on burning away 

1259
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,480
her rage and fear, that is very 
similar to how Danny felt during

1260
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:57,080
her fever dreams after Miriam 
Maz's Doer's ritual, but before 

1261
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,560
the actual hatching of the 
Dragons. 

1262
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,360
And then again in A Dance with 
Dragon. 

1263
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,040
She tells Zarozo and Axos, my 
fears were burned away the day I

1264
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,000
came forth from the fire. 
Now with her, it's a lot more 

1265
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,760
literal. 
She was actually in the fire, 

1266
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,000
but still, yeah, there's some 
parallels going on there, right?

1267
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,120
Nina also points out that she 
doesn't like the idea of of 

1268
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,760
Jamie stopping Cersei blowing up
the city, which is a theory 

1269
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,480
that's gone around. 
It's got some merit to it 

1270
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,000
because it takes away a lot of 
that tragedy. 

1271
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,520
It's like Jamie is justified in 
doing this. 

1272
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,440
Looks like he was with Aries, 
which isn't tragic and 

1273
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,560
conflicted enough for cause. 
Jamie's had really dark thoughts

1274
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,880
about killing Cersei that are 
mostly about her cheating on 

1275
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,360
him. 
Like not because she's a villain

1276
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,560
who's done awful things, not 
because she's a terrible person,

1277
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,360
but because he cheated on 
because she cheated on him. 

1278
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,400
That's what really makes him 
murderous towards her. 

1279
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:48,400
So that's kind of that's pretty 
dark. 

1280
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,280
It's not. 
I mean, it's human, but it's not

1281
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,360
like it's not casting Jamie as a
hero. 

1282
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,440
It's not setting him up to be a 
hero in that light. 

1283
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,920
Certainly it doesn't change that
he was heroic and how he behaved

1284
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:04,120
towards Aries, but I don't know 
that that's the exact parallel 

1285
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,560
that we're heading towards, even
though it it you can, I can see 

1286
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,680
why people would think that. 
So here's another example we 

1287
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,080
have comparing Cersei to Danny, 
but she's not the only one that 

1288
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,520
uses that language or has that 
language associated with her in 

1289
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,720
terms of fire and and 
personality and and things like 

1290
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,920
that quote. 
Only the gods truly know the 

1291
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,760
hearts of men and women are full
of strange. 

1292
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:34,520
Broken by the loss of one son, 
Rainier, a Targaryen seemed to 

1293
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,240
find new strength after the loss
of a second. 

1294
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,200
Jace's death hardened her, 
burning away her fears, leaving 

1295
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:47,160
only her anger and her hatred. 
Still possessed of more Dragons 

1296
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,600
than her half brother, Her Grace
now resolved to use them no 

1297
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,800
matter the cost. 
She would rain down fire and 

1298
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,440
death upon Aegon and all those 
who supported him, she told the 

1299
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,640
Black Council, and either tear 
him from the Iron Throne or die 

1300
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,520
in the attempt. 
Very fitting language for a 

1301
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,240
Targaryen, but a telling pattern
as well. 

1302
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,560
Another example of rage and fear
burned away, leaving only anger 

1303
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,800
and hatred, vengeance. 
And even the character being 

1304
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,160
displayed here and mentioned is 
an Aegon who might take the the 

1305
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:27,680
city before Danny does. 
Rain down fire and death upon 

1306
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,000
Aegon. 
Mm hmm. 

1307
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,720
Could be headed exactly towards 
that Danny instead of Rainier. 

1308
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,800
Absolutely. 
And it also echoes to a lot of 

1309
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,280
what Danny's arc has been 
pointing her to be a dragon? 

1310
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,480
Be a dragon. 
In the show, Elena straight up 

1311
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,240
says it be a dragon. 
Do what a dragon does. 

1312
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,920
That's destroy. 
Dragons don't plant trees. 

1313
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,480
Dragons don't sow. 
Dragons are like Greyjoys in 

1314
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:51,400
that sense. 
They don't sow. 

1315
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,920
So yeah, that's, you know, it's 
Danny doesn't have to go mad to 

1316
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,240
have her fears burned away, 
leaving only anger and hatred. 

1317
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:07,640
That's not madness necessarily. 
And Cersei has this coming. 

1318
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,640
She in many ways is more like 
Rainier because of the number of

1319
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,440
children and the the pending 
death of those children and how 

1320
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,280
she may react to it, right. 
She's already lost Joffrey, and 

1321
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,960
that made her really sad, just 
like what happened when Rainier 

1322
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,400
lost Luke. 
But when Cersei presumably loses

1323
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,880
Marcella and Ortamen, it might 
go this way as well. 

1324
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,120
Instead of breaking her, it 
hardens her and makes her, 

1325
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,960
reduces her to rage and anger, 
taking away fear and and all 

1326
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,520
that. 
So yeah, she Cersei could go 

1327
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,400
very much down a similar path 
there. 

1328
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,440
And that would mirror Aries a 
bit, whose madness and violence 

1329
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:46,840
also escalated alongside in in 
part because of the loss of so 

1330
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,760
many infants and his wife having
so many stillbursts. 

1331
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,040
He lost a lot of children too, 
or they lost a lot of children 

1332
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,120
too. 
Not not under the same 

1333
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,760
circumstances, you know, but 
still that's it's a similar, 

1334
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,760
it's a factor uniting all of 
them for Cersei as well. 

1335
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,680
Another parallel could be Elia, 
Elia Martel, Princess Elia, the 

1336
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,840
city was taken, the Red Keep 
captured, her children slain, 

1337
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,480
and then she's killed 2 as 
everything falls down around 

1338
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,440
her, right? 
Yeah, Cersei could end up in a 

1339
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,279
situation like that. 
So obviously Danny has more in 

1340
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:19,160
common with Rainier than she 
does with Cersei, even as Cersei

1341
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,399
has a lot in common with both of
them when it comes to the 

1342
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:24,000
ability to rain down fire and 
death from above. 

1343
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,160
Obviously the dragon riders have
more ability to do that, but 

1344
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:31,000
Cersei has wildfire, so she does
have fire and death in her 

1345
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,279
arsenal. 
And if she does blow up the 

1346
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:36,640
Sept, well, then, you know, 
that's kind of like being a 

1347
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,080
dragon, but more of a lion with 
wildfire. 

1348
01:08:40,399 --> 01:08:43,399
But it has similar damage. 
So yeah, I'm really curious to 

1349
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,800
see what happens there because I
do think that, you know, if 

1350
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,520
you're going to pin me down on a
precise theory, I do think like,

1351
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,840
like we talked about with a 
Shay, I mean, or like a Shay and

1352
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,359
I talked about a minute ago, I 
do think Searcy will probably 

1353
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,279
blow up the Sept, but I don't 
think it will set off the other 

1354
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,520
caches. 
And that will come later, which 

1355
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,160
is what we'll discuss here in 
the second-half of this episode.

1356
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,880
Another little parallel though, 
before we get to that is Rainier

1357
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,880
had to flee the city, deflate 
King's Landing in advance of her

1358
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,720
rule collapsing. 
Sergey might have to as well 

1359
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,840
after perch back against her 
reign, especially if she does 

1360
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,279
something awful like blowing up 
the Sept that might get her 

1361
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,640
kicked out. 
That might get significant push 

1362
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,160
back to her rule. 
And Danny may also end up having

1363
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,840
to flee King's Landing, not 
because she's losing, not 

1364
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,040
because of it's destroyed, 
although those are 

1365
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,279
possibilities, but she needs to 
head north to deal with a bigger

1366
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:32,439
threat. 
Shaya and I have been using Ryze

1367
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,680
productivity software for quite 
a while now and it's interesting

1368
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,080
to me how we both use it 
differently. 

1369
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,920
I'll start with my experience 
and Shaya can talk a little bit 

1370
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,080
about hers and maybe some of 
this will resonate with you and 

1371
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,960
it'll be something that would be
useful to you and your 

1372
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,880
day-to-day work life. 
For me, I don't arrange myself 

1373
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:55,120
into specific time frames or set
aside chunks of work. 

1374
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,800
What I use Ryze for is to make 
sure I'm focused. 

1375
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,400
Rise is really good at like, Are
you sure you want to look at 

1376
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,160
this right now? 
If I'm like checking baseball 

1377
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,720
scores or something like that, 
and Rise is is nuanced, you can 

1378
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,560
say this is work or this is not 
work. 

1379
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,000
For example, if I'm looking at 
YouTube, Rise will at first Rise

1380
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,840
will be like, Are you sure you 
want to be looking at YouTube? 

1381
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,000
And I'll be like, yes, because 
I'm looking at other video I'm 

1382
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,600
looking at I'm doing research. 
This is this isn't me looking at

1383
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,440
Star Wars. 
This is me looking at historical

1384
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:31,120
videos, reading, listening to 
content about fires or 

1385
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,120
interviews with George R Martin,
stuff like that. 

1386
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,320
So that is work. 
So you get to customize what you

1387
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,640
define as work and what you 
don't. 

1388
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,720
And Rise can keep you, keep you 
honest. 

1389
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,600
It'll say, hey, are you you? 
You don't want to be looking at 

1390
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,120
that right now, do you? 
And I'll be like, yeah, you're 

1391
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:44,800
right. 
Rise. 

1392
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,360
Let me go back to my work. 
I'm just a scatterbrain that 

1393
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:49,680
way. 
I'm very easily distracted. 

1394
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,120
So that's really helpful to me. 
Now, what about you or Shea? 

1395
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,640
You use it differently than me. 
And that sounds really effective

1396
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,760
as well. 
Yeah, I personally, I do use it 

1397
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:02,240
to keep focused, but I also use 
it to keep myself from 

1398
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:07,360
overworking. 
I find that I, I personally just

1399
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,360
grind myself down. 
I can easily find myself working

1400
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,000
13 hours in a day and that's not
good. 

1401
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:19,840
And that burns you out and rise 
helps to keep me from overdoing 

1402
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,120
it, I guess, and keeps me from 
underdoing it, you know what I 

1403
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,920
mean? 
It lets me strike a good 

1404
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,360
balance. 
Yeah, it gives you structure, I 

1405
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,160
think is what it seems to do. 
Like it helps you like really 

1406
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:30,400
structure your day. 
I've noticed that. 

1407
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,320
Yes, exactly. 
And I, I, so I will be a kind of

1408
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,640
almost a slave to it in some 
ways where I'm like, oh, do you 

1409
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,880
want to do something? 
You'll ask me if I, I want to 

1410
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,560
get up and, and I don't know, 
get a smack, take a break. 

1411
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,200
And I'm like, well, I have 10 
minutes left on my focus 

1412
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,440
session. 
So No, 10 minutes from now, yes,

1413
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,560
you know. 
We've had this conversation a 

1414
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,240
bunch of time that comes up. 
She's like, Nope, I got 10 

1415
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:52,240
minutes. 
I'm like, OK, I'll wait 10 

1416
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,200
minutes, yeah. 
Exactly. 

1417
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,320
And so I respect that. 
I also feel kind of time blind. 

1418
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,920
I I say sometimes in that I just
don't have a good conception of 

1419
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,200
how long something takes. 
Yeah, it's really given me a 

1420
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:04,880
grounding, a foundation to work 
on. 

1421
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,280
I found it just honestly, it's 
really made me so much more 

1422
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,800
productive and given me so much 
more a sense of value in my 

1423
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,440
work. 
I guess I feel that I I know 

1424
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:17,720
what I am doing. 
You feel more accomplished when 

1425
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,240
you finish a session. 
By the end of the work day, 

1426
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,800
you're like, it feels like it 
was more productive than it 

1427
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,000
would have been otherwise, which
is really valuable. 

1428
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,280
So you can potentially check out
Ryze and see if it works for 

1429
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:28,920
you. 
We got the link in the 

1430
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,280
description there, both from 
podcast and video versions. 

1431
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:35,240
And if you use the code Westeros
3, you get 25% off all payments 

1432
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,160
within the first three months 
with Ryze, that's RIZE. 

1433
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,520
Westeros 3 is the code to get 
25% off. 

1434
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,520
Amanda Molyneaux says it's OK 
Wildfire. 

1435
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,840
I also get more volatile with 
age. 

1436
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,880
Good one. 
Christina Kaye says the comment 

1437
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,840
about it being bright reminds me
of of welding or how magnesium 

1438
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,200
burns. 
Oh, yeah, magnesium burn. 

1439
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:00,640
Yeah. 
You also get like, people talk 

1440
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,920
about that with Dawn and how 
Dawn is really bright and how 

1441
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,240
maybe there's magnesium inside 
the blade that would accomplish 

1442
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,360
that or account for that. 
Good call Christina Kaye, deep 

1443
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:10,440
cut there. 
That cut. 

1444
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:13,800
See what I said? 
Gerald Garcia says in the Seven 

1445
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,960
Years War the French blew up 
their own Fort at Crown Point, 

1446
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,960
NY to deny it to the Brits. 
The gunpowder explosion lifted 

1447
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,560
the four story tower with 12 
foot thick stonewalls several 

1448
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:30,200
feet off the ground. 
Holy crap, the whole Fort with 

1449
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,280
12 foot stick tone walls, 12 
foot thick stone. 

1450
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,840
I said stick walls that would be
that would be easier to lift, 

1451
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,080
but 12 foot thick stonewalls, 
not so much. 

1452
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,840
Wow. 
So we really could be looking at

1453
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,920
the Red Keep. 
We were joking about the Iron 

1454
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,080
Throne just flying off into 
Blackwater Bay, but that might 

1455
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,840
not be so silly. 
It might be quite possible. 

1456
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,480
I mean, to see only the Iron 
Throne flying in green flame 

1457
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,880
across the that might be a 
little bit much, but the idea. 

1458
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:58,120
But that much force behind the 
explosion, Apparently that's not

1459
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,720
so crazy. 
Wow. 

1460
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,640
We've looked at past examples of
wildfire use, accidents, why 

1461
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,000
King Aries's caches are very 
likely a bomb waiting to go off,

1462
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,280
and some other things. 
But for that bomb, someone has 

1463
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:12,960
to light the fuse, right? 
Even though a lot of it's 

1464
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,640
pointing at Cersei, we've talked
about how it doesn't seem right 

1465
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:20,240
for the climax for it to be her.
She's maybe a red, green herring

1466
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,960
for that, because a lot is 
pointing to other characters as 

1467
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:24,680
well. 
We can't ignore the 

1468
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,480
foreshadowing for her. 
But there's so much more 

1469
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,280
foreshadowing on these other 
characters, or at least a 

1470
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,840
similar amount. 
And they can't all burn it down,

1471
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:32,440
right? 
The city can't burn down three 

1472
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:35,000
times. 
That's part of why we think 

1473
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,200
Cersei's just going to do 
serious damage but not actually 

1474
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:41,800
do fully destroy the city. 
Which would be ironic, because 

1475
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,760
she's the only one of the ones 
we're talking about who's 

1476
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,080
intentionally planning on using 
wildfire that we can tell, 

1477
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:50,040
right? 
So it it appears that someone 

1478
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:54,280
trying to take King's Landing is
more likely to set off the 

1479
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,080
caches than Cersei herself, 
who's actually intending to use 

1480
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:58,560
wildfire. 
That's a great irony. 

1481
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,000
Irony. 
Great irony what? 

1482
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,200
So this possibility hangs over 
many possible plot lines, which 

1483
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,160
all of which could intersect and
overlap. 

1484
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:11,720
So again, let me bring up Virus 
again briefly, because he again 

1485
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,240
might know where some of the 
caches are, even if he probably 

1486
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:15,480
can't know where all of them 
are. 

1487
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,920
And if he did know what where 
they are, why hasn't he dealt 

1488
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,000
with them? 
What possible benefit to him is 

1489
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,000
there to leaving those 
untouched, to leaving them 

1490
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,120
there? 
How does that help him capture 

1491
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,840
the city for his king? 
Like his own candidate might 

1492
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,400
just blow up. 
That's not good. 

1493
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,480
Or he could blow up. 
Like why does Virus want to be 

1494
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:34,000
walking around in a city or a 
castle that has that threat 

1495
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,680
hanging over him personally as 
well as everybody else? 

1496
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,880
And and if Virus does know and 
left them there to some 

1497
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,840
advantage, he's like, well, we 
could this could be useful in 

1498
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,560
the moment to set off some 
chaos. 

1499
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,440
I don't think even Littlefinger 
wants that sort of chaos, The 

1500
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,920
city burning in the midst of him
trying to take it. 

1501
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,680
Yeah, I don't think so. 
And Virus is thinking long term 

1502
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,680
and longer term. 
He wants to establish a new 

1503
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,040
dynasty. 
He's trying to have Aegon win 

1504
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,400
the throne by being a savior. 
Burning down the city is not 

1505
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:04,640
savior business. 
Right. 

1506
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:09,000
That is the opposite message. 
Like if he could somehow make it

1507
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,160
look like Aegon stopped the city
from burning, then that would. 

1508
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,400
That's the kind of thing he 
would want people to believe 

1509
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,680
about Aegon. 
Not that he used that tool and 

1510
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,680
killed a bunch of innocents. 
That's not savior stuff, right? 

1511
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,120
And this is where I come back to
the disease thing though. 

1512
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,360
And this is what's going to port
us over to Jon Connington. 

1513
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,000
Not everyone is so delicate. 
Virus might be wary, but Virus 

1514
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,960
isn't running the armies. 
Jon Connington and Aegon are, 

1515
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,920
and Varus doesn't know what he's
dealing with. 

1516
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:43,520
When he had John Connington, he 
manipulated, exploited, and 

1517
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,480
plotted John Connington's role 
in this expertly. 

1518
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,240
But here comes a wrinkle that he
couldn't have possibly seen 

1519
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,040
coming and is not aware of. 
Grayscale. 

1520
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,240
John Connington is now a ticking
time bomb of his own whose time 

1521
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,160
frame has been accelerated. 
John Connington wants to do 

1522
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:04,640
everything fast because he 
doesn't have a lot of life left 

1523
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:09,680
and he knows that. 
He's not naive about what 

1524
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,200
Grayscale's going to do to him. 
He is maybe naive on how 

1525
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,960
infectious he is and on how he's
going to be able to keep it 

1526
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,640
hidden, but he's not naive on 
how long his life will be. 

1527
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:23,080
He knows he's dying. 
So virus has accounted for a 

1528
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,320
lot, but he hasn't accounted for
the fact that Jon Connington is 

1529
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,800
going to push his foot on the 
accelerator because he's out of 

1530
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,640
time himself. 
He's losing time himself. 

1531
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:37,560
Let's move on to that. 
The Stony Griffin, the Stoney 

1532
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,640
Griffin with an ESTONE Griffin, 
EY? 

1533
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,800
Because Stoney Sept is spelled 
that way. 

1534
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,760
And that's a big part of what 
we're delving into with John 

1535
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,880
Connington today. 
He is a major candidate to do 

1536
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,120
some or lots of burning of 
King's Landing. 

1537
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,840
One of his biggest regrets is 
not burning Stoney Sept at the 

1538
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,400
outside of Robert's Rebellion. 
This is a man whose entire 

1539
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:04,400
mission in life is to make good 
on his failure of the past. 

1540
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,280
He won't hesitate to commit an 
atrocity or three if it delivers

1541
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,240
the end result he's looking for.
And he's looking to move fast. 

1542
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:16,600
When you're looking to move fast
at violence, at war, that means 

1543
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:20,160
collateral damage. 
More likely to cause harm, more 

1544
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,560
likely to do things that you 
weren't expecting, more likely 

1545
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,760
to have things spiral out of 
control. 

1546
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,640
And Kodigen of course wasn't on 
TV, so we we would expect a lot 

1547
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:33,080
of this anyway, though. 
But because he wasn't on TV, 

1548
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,000
that just throws off all of our 
predictions from what we could 

1549
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,160
see there 'cause like, well, 
some of his plot line was given 

1550
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,800
to somebody else. 
So we can't predict it. 

1551
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,680
We can't predict that all the 
things we would have normally 

1552
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,280
predicted because we have this 
whole missing element here. 

1553
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,600
Like how does how do we factor 
Danny into what we saw on TV 

1554
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,040
when we don't have Jon 
Connington and Egon, Which seems

1555
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:53,760
more important or just as 
important? 

1556
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,760
Don't forget Jon Connington was 
briefly handed the King for 

1557
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,280
Aries and he was exiled after 
losing the battle of the Bells 

1558
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:05,480
at Stony Sept. 
He arrived with his army knowing

1559
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:08,080
Robert was there. 
He knew Robert was inside the 

1560
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,960
city somewhere and Robert was 
hiding because he was buying 

1561
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,920
time for Ned to arrive with his 
army to relieve him and they 

1562
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,800
would have an army together, 
they could fight blah blah blah.

1563
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,120
So Connington knew that was 
happening. 

1564
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:24,160
He knew Ned's army was on the 
way, but he got there 1st and 

1565
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:29,240
figured OK, I can get Robert 
before Ned arrives and if he had

1566
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:30,480
the war would have stopped right
there. 

1567
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:32,000
That would have been the end of 
the war because he would have 

1568
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,000
had Robert in in, in in his 
possession and that's the end of

1569
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,000
it. 
Connington tried to do a lot of 

1570
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,600
things to get the town to give 
Robert up. 

1571
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,560
He hung people in crow cages, he
took hostages, he searched 

1572
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,320
everywhere including the sewers.
And of course, where Robert was 

1573
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,600
actually hiding is the a brothel
called the Peach, where he 

1574
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,640
fathered a child with a punny 
name, Bella, for the Battle of 

1575
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,720
the Bells. 
This is followed up many years 

1576
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,400
later by Bella joking about 
ringing Gendry's bells, which 

1577
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,560
didn't happen, luckily for them 
and us, because they share 

1578
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,000
Robert as a father and didn't 
know that or don't know that. 

1579
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,840
So that would be incest, 
accidental incest. 

1580
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,840
But on their parts, they didn't 
hook up, thankfully, Yeah. 

1581
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,760
It'll be funnier the day 
Gendry's father is revealed, 

1582
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,040
assuming he finds out one day. 
He's like, whoa, I almost bang 

1583
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,440
my sister. 
Well, he won't think that 

1584
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:18,440
because he didn't almost bang 
her. 

1585
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:20,640
She might think that like, oh, I
almost bang my brother. 

1586
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,120
If he is ever recognized for his
birth, if he somehow ends the 

1587
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:28,520
the books as the Lord of Storm's
End again, we can't predict that

1588
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,520
for sure because there's also 
Edrick Storm out there. 

1589
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,120
There's two candidates at least 
for that. 

1590
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,520
But we can kind of hope that 
whichever Baratheon bastard gets

1591
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,120
Storm's End, assuming that's 
what happens, that they make a 

1592
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:39,560
home for the other Baratheon 
bastard. 

1593
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,440
Maybe Bella could go live at 
Storms End instead of, you know,

1594
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:44,560
at the Peach or whatever. 
Now there's a lot of them. 

1595
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,160
There could be a whole breath 
whole mess of Baratheans living 

1596
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,240
at Baratheon bastards living at 
Storms End. 

1597
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,400
That'd be cool. 
Now, Jon Connington was in 

1598
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,200
denial about how he handled 
Stoney Sept for a long time. 

1599
01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:00,120
He isn't in denial now, but he 
was when his exile began. 

1600
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,560
Take note of this conversation 
here and what his friend tells 

1601
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,480
him he should have done. 
Tywin Lannister himself could 

1602
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:10,720
have done no more. 
He had insisted 1 knight to 

1603
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,600
Black Heart during his first 
year of exile. 

1604
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,760
There is where you're wrong, 
Miles, Toyne had replied. 

1605
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,040
Lord Tywin would not have 
bothered with a search. 

1606
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,600
He would have burned that town 
and every living creature in it.

1607
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,360
Men and boys, babes at the 
breast, noble Knights and holy 

1608
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,720
septons, pigs and whores, rats 
and rebels. 

1609
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,240
He would have burned them all. 
When the fires guttered out and 

1610
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,720
only ash and cinders remained, 
he would have sent his men in to

1611
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,000
find the bones of Robert 
Baratheon. 

1612
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,840
Later, when Stark and Tully 
turned up with their host, he 

1613
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,920
would have offered pardons to 
the both of them, and they would

1614
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,680
have accepted and turned for 
home with their tails between 

1615
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,640
their legs. 
He was not wrong, John 

1616
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,720
Connington reflected, leaning on
the battlements of his 

1617
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,960
forebears. 
I wanted the glory of slaying 

1618
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,520
Robert in single combat, and I 
did not want the name of 

1619
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,720
Butcher, so Robert escaped me 
and cut down Rhaegar on the 

1620
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,360
Trident. 
I failed the father. 

1621
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,920
He said. 
But I will not fail the son. 

1622
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,760
I like the parallel George 
throws at us here. 

1623
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,360
Toyne says it almost the way 
Aries would have on TV. 

1624
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,120
He would have burned them all 
versus burned them all, right. 

1625
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,600
Tywin and Aries said more in 
common than either would admit. 

1626
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,600
They were both quite willing to 
burn them all. 

1627
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,040
By the way, Robert got lucky 
that a closeted gay man was in 

1628
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,080
charge of the search here 
because pretty much anyone else 

1629
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,040
would have been, like, focus 
your search on the brothels. 

1630
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,520
This is Robert Brothian we're 
talking about. 

1631
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:51,400
But Connington's, like, I don't 
know, because he's repressed 

1632
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,520
within his sexuality entirely. 
He doesn't think about sex much 

1633
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,280
at all. 
And if he did, he'd like, oh, 

1634
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:58,880
yeah, Robert. 
Right. 

1635
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:01,240
And also, look at the wording 
there. 

1636
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,160
He doesn't say. 
He doesn't say to himself I 

1637
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:05,800
didn't want to be a Butcher, he 
says. 

1638
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,040
I didn't want the name of 
Butcher. 

1639
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,360
He wasn't unwilling to do it. 
He just didn't want his 

1640
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,800
reputation. 
He cared about how people 

1641
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,040
perceived him. 
It wasn't his conscience. 

1642
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,920
It was his reputation. 
He doesn't. 

1643
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,240
I didn't want to kill all those 
innocent people. 

1644
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,560
He doesn't say that. 
He says I didn't want to the 

1645
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:27,800
name of Butcher, he wanted the 
reputation of killing Robert. 

1646
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,880
So it's all about his 
reputation, right? 

1647
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,200
Both ends, both sides of this 
are recognition and glory. 

1648
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,760
And that last paragraph is what 
really sells the foreshadowing. 

1649
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,560
Though the last line of I failed
the father, but will not fail 

1650
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,800
the son. 
He is just dead set on not 

1651
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,560
making that same mistake. 
And his mistake was not burning 

1652
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,080
the city. 
He will not scruple, not 

1653
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:54,680
hesitate to burn a city if that 
seems to be the right call or 

1654
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:59,320
it's the thing he'll need to do.
And given he's on a timer, a 

1655
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,920
grayscale timer, he's going to 
be moving quickly. 

1656
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,640
Everything he's going to do is 
under this timeline, this rush 

1657
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:06,960
timeline. 
Like, Yep, burn a city. 

1658
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,040
We can't wait for a siege. 
We can't hold out. 

1659
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,200
We got to go now. 
He doesn't. 

1660
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,720
He didn't have, he wasn't that 
patient in the 1st place. 

1661
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,840
Once this, once the mission got 
launched again, once he waited 

1662
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:22,440
so long in exile and once they 
started sailing over, he's been 

1663
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:25,680
hyped ever since it began. 
He's been waiting to go. 

1664
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,440
And then the grayscale just made
the timeline even quicker for 

1665
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:31,440
him. 
But there's still the question 

1666
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:35,840
of how Cersei or not Cersei, but
how Jon Conington. 

1667
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,920
I mean, or Cersei could burn the
King's Landing, even though he's

1668
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,120
got this intent, even though 
it's clearly not something he 

1669
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,960
would be afraid to do. 
How is he going to burn the 

1670
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,240
city? 
Like what's going to happen? 

1671
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,240
We we said, you know, maybe 
conventional fire, just a 

1672
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,800
regular assault could start a 
small fire and burn it. 

1673
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,800
But is that enough? 
Let's give it. 

1674
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,280
Let's let's go a little deeper 
on Jon Connington's character 

1675
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,200
and see where it takes us. 
Here's someone else that weighs 

1676
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:02,440
in, Kevin Lannister, his 
thoughts. 

1677
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:04,800
Give us another angle here. 
Quote. 

1678
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:09,000
Old Lord Merryweather's in 
action had allowed the rebellion

1679
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,960
to take root and spread, and 
Eris wanted someone young and 

1680
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,800
vigorous to match Robert's own 
youth and vigor. 

1681
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:20,560
Too soon, Lord Tywin Lannister 
had declared, when word of the 

1682
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,800
King's choice had reached Cast 
of the Rock. 

1683
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:27,560
Connington is too young, too 
bold, too eager for glory. 

1684
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,800
The Battle of the Bells had 
proved the truth of that. 

1685
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,320
Tywin nailed that one too. 
Eager for glory 1000% right on 

1686
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,920
that one. 
But now Connington doesn't care 

1687
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,000
about glory is. 
That is that Rhaegar's nickname.

1688
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,960
Nice he, but he he doesn't care 
about being called a butcher 

1689
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,200
either. 
So none of this stuff matters to

1690
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:48,720
him anymore. 
He only cares about the bottom 

1691
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,960
line of putting a gun on the 
throne and not failing Rhaegar's

1692
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,760
not failing Rhaegar, not failing
Rhaegar's son. 

1693
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:58,880
So I think if Connington is 
responsible, I mean, it would be

1694
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,920
accidental. 
Again, the wildfire cash is 

1695
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,200
being set off, but just the 
regular fires being started in 

1696
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,240
the course of battle. 
Him, the Golden Company, his 

1697
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:11,480
friends in the Reach, you know, 
them trying to take the city and

1698
01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:14,280
something that happens, whatever
lit Flea Bottom and during the 

1699
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,800
Battle of the Black Water, that 
same kind of just fire arrows, 

1700
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:22,200
trebuchets hurling flaming 
piles, you know, anything, 

1701
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,560
something like that. 
If we recall the locations, 

1702
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,000
Jamie mentioned that they 
definitely had wildfire out that

1703
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,320
he pulled those caches away from
and disposed of. 

1704
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,720
All 7 gates were mentioned, 
right? 

1705
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,000
He said the Great Sept was a 
place that they pulled wildfire 

1706
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,880
from, yet there was still more 
there. 

1707
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,760
What about these gates? 
What if the same thing happens 

1708
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,760
there? 
You might say, well, Aziz, 

1709
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,080
weren't the gates assaulted 
during the Battle of Blackwater?

1710
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,240
No, only two of them were. 
Five of the gates were not 

1711
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,160
attacked. 
So there's potentially wildfire 

1712
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,880
still planted amongst maybe even
all 7, but but at at least 

1713
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,720
potentially five of them. 
There were no explosions during 

1714
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,640
the Battle of the Battle of 
Blackwater, so they might still 

1715
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,160
be, you know, it's the mud in 
the King's gates. 

1716
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,320
By the way, if anyone's curious,
which two were the had action 

1717
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,240
during the Battle of Blackwater?
It would be very ironic if 

1718
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,920
Connington set off the caches 
himself and killed his own 

1719
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,520
claimant, right? 
Well, he would fail that you'd 

1720
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,200
that's one way to fail the son 
there by killing him. 

1721
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:27,320
And it would be really, really 
brutal and ironic beyond just 

1722
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,880
killing the guy he's trying to 
put on the throne, because it 

1723
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:34,640
would be Ares. 
This is even though Aegon the 

1724
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,920
Six probably isn't Aries's 
grandson, Connington thinks he 

1725
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:41,520
is. 
What a crazy turn that would be 

1726
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,480
for the Aries's curse, Aries's 
revenge to be responsible for 

1727
01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:49,400
the death of his own grandson 
from beyond the grave. 

1728
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,760
Connington would think that he's
like, what the hell? 

1729
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,560
You know, I just, I these flames
went off and it killed my dude. 

1730
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:02,480
My, you know, my foster son and 
Aries is responsible from beyond

1731
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:05,600
the grave. 
You've, you said you didn't want

1732
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,360
to fail the sun, but then you 
burned him to death. 

1733
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,240
But gunning could also just like
infect Aegon with grayscale or 

1734
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,640
just other people. 
That's another angle here to 

1735
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,080
what could happen in King's 
Landing. 

1736
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,640
That sets it up for a greater 
conflagration or a greater need,

1737
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:25,040
which is what if King's Landing 
is infected by grayscale, Then 

1738
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,920
you have a, a reason that 
someone might say this place 

1739
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,840
needs to be destroyed to stop 
the spread of this horrible 

1740
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,640
magical disease. 
We've discussed this a little 

1741
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,480
bit elsewhere. 
For example, a very curious 

1742
01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:41,600
mention of grayscale comes up in
the North when Val the the Free 

1743
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:46,760
Folk woman freaks out basically 
over Shereen having had 

1744
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,640
grayscale 'cause she says 
there's no had, there's no had 

1745
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,840
grayscale. 
You have it, it's sleeping, it's

1746
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,120
dormant, but she still has it. 
And, and anytime it could awaken

1747
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,280
and start infecting people 
again, that's her take. 

1748
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:03,320
And while it's not proven that 
that's really how it works, I 

1749
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:04,840
think we should take that pretty
seriously. 

1750
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,680
Like, I don't know if George is 
just throwing that in there as a

1751
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:07,840
red herring. 
Maybe he is. 

1752
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:12,600
But we've talked about Shereen 
being an active contagion 

1753
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,440
element as maybe part of why 
Melisandre burns her. 

1754
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:19,400
Like, it's part of selling it, 
like, well, we need to get rid 

1755
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,640
of this infection. 
Source. 

1756
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,400
It's a part of the argument for 
burning this child saying I 

1757
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,320
support that argument. 
But you can see why some people 

1758
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,320
might be like, yeah, she's we're
all going to die, you know, if, 

1759
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,280
if she infects us. 
And, and again, this brings us 

1760
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,360
back to Bloodraven and the 
burning of the corpses during 

1761
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,600
the great spring sickness. 
So there is a compelling reason 

1762
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:42,200
to ruthlessly kill a bunch of 
infected people if it prevents 

1763
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,160
the spread. 
So could we be looking at a a 

1764
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,960
situation where King's Landing 
needs to burn in order to 

1765
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,000
prevent a continent wide 
epidemic? 

1766
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,280
Maybe that's going too far, but 
I think it's worth considering. 

1767
01:29:53,920 --> 01:30:00,440
Recall that example in Book 1 
where Paisel describes his youth

1768
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,520
when Lord Hightower locked the 
city gates to prevent plague 

1769
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,800
from getting out. 
The plague was in Old Town and 

1770
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,560
he locked the city gates and 
locked down the porch to make 

1771
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,480
sure it didn't spread. 
Of course, the problem with that

1772
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:19,160
was when the plague passed, the 
inhabitants of High of Old Town 

1773
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,760
were pissed at him. 
And when he, you know, toured 

1774
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,120
the city with his son, a riot 
started and they killed him and 

1775
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,720
his son. 
He did the right thing, probably

1776
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,360
like locking the gates probably 
did prevent the epidemic from 

1777
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,160
spreading elsewhere. 
He it was a brutal but correct 

1778
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:38,160
thing to do probably. 
But the rank and file, you know,

1779
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,400
commoners and peasants didn't 
perceive it that way and they, 

1780
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,960
they just wanted their revenge. 
Now, why would an army be packed

1781
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,400
into King's Landing? 
That's a possibility. 

1782
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,640
It's something that could make 
this all worse, make it all more

1783
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:52,360
dangerous. 
We talked about people packing 

1784
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:56,400
together in winter for warmth. 
There's also the possibility of 

1785
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:00,600
them hiding or defending the 
city against a different army. 

1786
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,160
For example, the Dothraki or 
against the Golden could be the 

1787
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:06,120
Golden Company attacking the 
city, or the Golden Company 

1788
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,880
inside the city defending 
against Danny. 

1789
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:11,000
Something along those lines. 
An army of Dothraki and 

1790
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,520
Unsullied would be a good reason
to hide behind walls, right? 

1791
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,280
But what if you're hiding behind
those walls and grayscale is 

1792
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,720
breaking out inside the walls 
While that's happening, it's not

1793
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,160
shelter if you've got plague 
bearers with you hiding. 

1794
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,960
Like that's worse than facing 
the Dothraki and the Unsolved, 

1795
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:34,120
probably. 
Let's take a brief moment for a 

1796
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,120
new feature that I want to 
include in episodes going 

1797
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:37,760
forward. 
A quote of the day, a quote from

1798
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,280
outside of A Song of Ice and 
Fire. 

1799
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,320
I read a lot of other books and 
I'm just over time I've been 

1800
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,920
collecting these quotes. 
I just love to bookmark great 

1801
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,200
quotes and books that I'm 
reading and I thought it would 

1802
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,680
be fun to share some of them 
with you all from time to time 

1803
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,760
and tell you where they came 
from. 

1804
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:55,200
And you might want to read these
same books. 

1805
01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:01,200
This first quote is one day you 
will see that it is a mistake to

1806
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:05,840
love an empire or a throne or a 
crown because those things 

1807
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:11,120
cannot love, they can only die. 
That's from The Bright Sword by 

1808
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,560
Lev Grossman, who's the author 
of The Magicians. 

1809
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,760
I really enjoyed that book. 
It's one of the most recent 

1810
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,400
books I read, as you can tell. 
Well, maybe not. 

1811
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:19,720
You can probably can't tell 
actually from that. 

1812
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:23,760
It's an Arthurian story and it's
really, it's a clever Arthurian 

1813
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:28,920
story as modern takes on it. 
It's was written in 2023 and you

1814
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,560
can listen to it on Audible if 
you go to our website and 

1815
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,600
download a free trial of 
Audible. 

1816
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,520
Or you can get the book through 
our website. 

1817
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,040
Just go to our website and 
browse around. 

1818
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:43,840
There's a lot of ways to support
our show and get involved in 

1819
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,920
some of these great books that 
I'm going to start dropping 

1820
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:48,840
knowledge about from time to 
time. 

1821
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:55,080
Yeah, why not Return of the 
Dragon, our final section? 

1822
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,400
We saved Danny for last because 
she's the most likely to be 

1823
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,960
involved in all of this and the 
most important and prominent 

1824
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,680
character that's involved in 
this as well. 

1825
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,160
Because she's the one of the 
biggest characters in the story,

1826
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,600
bigger than Connington, bigger 
than Cersei, and she's the 

1827
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:10,880
daughter of Aries. 
And unlike him, who thought 

1828
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,680
Wildfire might might make him 
into a dragon, she already has 

1829
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,200
Dragons. 
But still, Aries's dreams and 

1830
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,840
madness are very curious to us 
with regard to this topic. 

1831
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:24,840
Why did Aries and Aryan, Bright 
Flame and Hang on the 5th think 

1832
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,280
Wildfire was so important to 
bringing back Dragons? 

1833
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,640
Or why did they inuse it at all?
Why do they think it was an 

1834
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,160
element? 
What got them on that track in 

1835
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:34,640
the first place? 
Maybe it related to dreams. 

1836
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,800
Maybe there's something in their
dreams that told them this, and 

1837
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,440
maybe they were seeing the 
future in these dreams and maybe

1838
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:42,840
they were seeing this future, 
this wildfire explosion that we 

1839
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,880
are talking about that is set to
happen. 

1840
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:49,240
Maybe that's what they were 
seeing in their dreams. 

1841
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,760
The wildfire disaster that's 
still coming is what they were 

1842
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,600
dreaming of, but they somehow 
got it wrong. 

1843
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,120
They associated themselves with 
it. 

1844
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,360
Aryan Bright Flame saw himself 
at the end of all this as the 

1845
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,080
dragon emerging from it all, and
so he drank the wildfire. 

1846
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,120
Then Aries did. 
But they're all wrong. 

1847
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,200
It's Daenerys. 
Daenerys is the one they were 

1848
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:07,760
dreaming of without realizing 
it. 

1849
01:34:08,440 --> 01:34:10,960
Remember what Aries thought? 
He thought that after the 

1850
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,280
wildfire burned out that he 
would arise as a dragon from the

1851
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:17,920
ashes and cinder. 
Obviously that's insane, but if 

1852
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:23,680
you try to parse or drill down 
that insanity, it could be along

1853
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,840
the lines of a Danny dreamt, or 
what she's been having these 

1854
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,720
voices tell her for so long to 
be a dragon. 

1855
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,640
Aries got it wrong. 
He took it literally. 

1856
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,440
It wasn't going to make him into
a dragon. 

1857
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:40,120
But doing those things is dragon
behavior. 

1858
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:44,920
Burning everything, not sewing, 
being destructive. 

1859
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,320
That's being a dragon. 
That's what we're talking about 

1860
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:49,880
here. 
That's what Danny's dreaming of.

1861
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,480
That's what Aries may have been 
dreaming of without correctly 

1862
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,120
sifting through, without 
correctly understanding what he 

1863
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,400
was seeing in his dreams. 
He doesn't have to have had 

1864
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,000
dreams here. 
He's insane. 

1865
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,520
But I think that fits pretty 
well. 

1866
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:03,720
And, and this also fits with 
Aryan and Egg. 

1867
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:06,280
Like any of them, they're all 
thinking of Dragons coming back 

1868
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,040
into the world, which Danny did.
So it makes sense to associate 

1869
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:13,720
what they saw in their dreams as
dreams of her, whereas they 

1870
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:15,480
mistake it for dreams of 
themselves. 

1871
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,760
So the fact that she's the one 
who really did bring Dragons 

1872
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:23,240
back, and all of them dreamed of
Dragons coming back, ties these 

1873
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:26,040
two examples together, or ties 
all these cases together. 

1874
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,200
And just like King's Landing, 
where we have the possibility of

1875
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:33,040
two distinct conflagrations, one
from Searcy maybe, and then one 

1876
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:36,080
another from attacking armies, 
which may or may not include 

1877
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:40,160
Danny's Dragons and the 
detonation of the caches for 

1878
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,360
Danny herself. 
However, we have 3 fires to 

1879
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,000
consider, right? 
We have all these. 

1880
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:46,960
And what did the House of the 
Undying tell her? 

1881
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:51,600
Three fires must you light, one 
for life and one for death and 

1882
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,760
one to love. 
Drogo's pyre #1 the dosh Kaleen 

1883
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,120
burning all the calls, which we 
saw on TV and has been 

1884
01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:59,360
foreshadowed in the books as 
well. 

1885
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,720
So I think that's coming. 
And she certainly looks to be on

1886
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:05,680
her way back to Bae's Dothrak at
the based on what happens at the

1887
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,160
end of A Dance with Dragons and 
her likely being captured by 

1888
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:13,160
Khal Joko. 
So the third one could be King's

1889
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:16,320
Landing. 
I don't know why that's to love,

1890
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:21,600
but maybe that's explained by 
her not being the one to to do 

1891
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,880
it on purpose. 
If Connington sets it off, it 

1892
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,560
fulfills the one to love because
he's loving Rhaegar. 

1893
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,400
It's his love of Rhaegar that 
causes it to happen, but then 

1894
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,000
she gets blamed for it. 
If Connington sets it off and 

1895
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,760
Danny gets blamed for it, that 
all fits. 

1896
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,040
She could also kill two birds 
with one stone as well because 

1897
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,920
she's the Slayer of lies. 
Also, if you keep thinking about

1898
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,200
the prophecy of the House of the
Undying, that's also included 

1899
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:46,360
there, right? 
One of those lies seems to be 

1900
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:50,320
the cloth dragon on Poles, who 
is probably Aegon the 6th, Her 

1901
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:53,320
nephew that isn't really her 
nephew because he's probably not

1902
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:56,560
actually Rhaegar's son. 
She could destroy King's Landing

1903
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:02,160
and him in one fell swoop of 
Drogon's wings and her father's 

1904
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,560
shadow. 
She won't be intentionally 

1905
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,120
trying to blow up the whole 
city, but if she's trying to 

1906
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:09,920
take out Aegon and it sets off 
caches that fits. 

1907
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,800
How could that work? 
Just specifically, we talked 

1908
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,680
about it earlier, what if there 
are caches still in the Red 

1909
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,320
Keep? 
As we've said, there were some. 

1910
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:25,360
There might still be more. 
What if Danny tries to be 

1911
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:29,200
precise and she tries to just 
burn the Red Keep only with 

1912
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,400
Drogon tries to take out, Let's 
say Aegon and Arianne are there,

1913
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,400
or maybe Cersei. 
Probably Aegon and Arianne, but 

1914
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:35,760
maybe Cersei. 
Let's say she's trying to take 

1915
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,480
them out, just the Red Keep. 
She's not trying to torch the 

1916
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:42,640
whole city, just them. 
And wildfire goes off and it's 

1917
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,040
such a huge explosion that it 
spreads throughout the city. 

1918
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,760
Again, as we said in the 
beginning, no one's going to 

1919
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,640
blame Aries for that. 
They're not going to know 

1920
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,320
anything to do with Aries. 
It's going to look like Danny's 

1921
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,880
fault to a lot of people, even 
if it doesn't make sense. 

1922
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:57,560
Like where did this green fire 
come from? 

1923
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,000
But you got to think, y'all, 
most people aren't going to be 

1924
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,520
witnesses of this. 
Most opinions are going to be 

1925
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,240
through rumor. 
It's going to sound like dragon.

1926
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:10,960
Her green dragon had green fire.
Dragon's Fire City burns. 

1927
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:12,880
How could it be someone else's 
fault? 

1928
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:14,880
Right? 
Like it's too straightforward 

1929
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:16,040
when presented that way. 
And it is. 

1930
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,160
It's a tough argument to 
overcome unless you know the 

1931
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,560
truth. 
Like as we readers we will, but 

1932
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,800
the average Westerosi is just 
going to hear the basics. 

1933
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:27,760
Dragons Fire city burned down. 
Why would you blame the 20 year 

1934
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,480
old dead king? 
Doesn't make any sense from 

1935
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:34,320
their perspective. 
So Nina isn't as sold on the 

1936
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:38,040
idea that Aries was having 
prophetic dreams, but she 

1937
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:42,600
definitely agrees that there's 
this father daughter dichotomy 

1938
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:45,920
or opposite sides of the idea 
where fire as draconic rebirth 

1939
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:50,120
versus fire as pseudo draconic 
death, Right. 

1940
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:51,880
So that's pretty cool. 
It's that resonates, I think. 

1941
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,400
So there's a lot of ways to look
at it that fit and it could be 

1942
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:58,960
more than one George as often as
he does multiple meanings we 

1943
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:00,280
should consider. 
That's the possibility as well. 

1944
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,080
Like, you know, it could always 
be all the above. 

1945
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,720
So perhaps another way to put it
is that Danny will not be able 

1946
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,920
to fully step out of her 
father's shadow because his 

1947
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:11,520
curse still hangs over King's 
Landing and no one knows it. 

1948
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:14,440
It's a special sort of tragic 
because she never even met the 

1949
01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:16,240
man. 
He wasn't, she wasn't raised by 

1950
01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:17,400
him. 
She doesn't really have his 

1951
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,440
proclivities. 
She's not like him, you know, 

1952
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,640
he's way, she's way smarter and 
more empathetic. 

1953
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,720
And I mean, she's the Mother of 
Dragons. 

1954
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,840
There's no comparing her to any 
to most other Targaryens at all,

1955
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,000
right? 
It's just having her cruel, 

1956
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,320
having his cruel and mad legacy 
attached to her. 

1957
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,360
It's unfair, but it might 
happen. 

1958
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:38,800
Unfair doesn't mean it won't 
happen. 

1959
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,360
Unfair things happen all the 
time, in real life and in story.

1960
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,160
She doesn't even know the extent
that she's still in his shadow, 

1961
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,360
but she might realize it if 
Wildfire goes off in the city 

1962
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:52,840
while she's trying to precision 
strike the Red Keep or something

1963
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,480
like that. 
She doesn't even really know how

1964
01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:57,960
mad he was. 
She hardly knows anything about 

1965
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,120
that, let alone the caches of 
Wildfire and his intent to 

1966
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,480
destroy the entire city. 
She doesn't know any of that. 

1967
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,520
She may not get it from 
Barristan before he. 

1968
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,200
They're separated forever before
he dies. 

1969
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,800
They're separated right now. 
They may never be reunited. 

1970
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,360
The whole one of the reasons we 
even have Barristan's point of 

1971
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:15,720
view is because of this 
separation. 

1972
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,240
By the time she gets back in the
fold, he might be dead. 

1973
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,640
So the the the source for this 
information may die with him. 

1974
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,320
And it'll only be for us, for 
tragic knowledge for us readers 

1975
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:26,440
to have and go. 
Danny. 

1976
01:40:26,440 --> 01:40:27,680
No. 
Danny, no. 

1977
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,560
Yeah. 
It would be so tragic if she 

1978
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:34,000
learns after the fact. 
She's like, let's say she 

1979
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,680
accidentally sets up the caches 
in one of many possible ways and

1980
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:39,800
then finds out where those 
caches came from. 

1981
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:45,360
She's like my father. 
That might change her whole view

1982
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,760
of the justice of her 'cause she
thinks she's owed that throne. 

1983
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,440
She thinks her family was 
cheated out of it. 

1984
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:55,440
She's been lied to. 
It came from Viserys and maybe a

1985
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:57,840
little bit through Jorah and 
Illyrio. 

1986
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,880
Maybe like some dishonesty has 
sold this to her. 

1987
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:05,680
But if the lies are slain, is 
she still going to think she 

1988
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,720
deserves the throne if her 
father did all those things? 

1989
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:10,640
Her father's intent was to kill 
everyone. 

1990
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,360
Yeah, It's still my It's still 
my birthright. 

1991
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:16,360
That's not really how Danny 
operates. 

1992
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:20,800
I think she might be like, wait,
maybe my father deserved to lose

1993
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:24,400
the throne. 
Maybe his awful behavior is 

1994
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:27,520
that's why Ned and Robert and 
these people that she thinks of 

1995
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,320
his villains. 
She might be like, OK, these 

1996
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:31,680
guys weren't so villainous after
all. 

1997
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,760
Maybe my dad was going to blow 
up the whole city. 

1998
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,040
These are the guys on the other 
side. 

1999
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,440
Like, how am I on the how is my 
dad the good guy here? 

2000
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:41,760
How, how deeply does she believe
in the Targaryen right to rule? 

2001
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:47,520
Like, if it's with these factors
and, and, and thrown in there, 

2002
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,120
I'm not so sure she would hold 
tight to that. 

2003
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,280
Like, yeah, maybe your 
birthright isn't really your 

2004
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,440
birthright, Danny. 
So this is very deep stuff with 

2005
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,040
it has the potential to change 
Danny's view of everything. 

2006
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:02,520
This might be the moment, the 
culmination of her deciding I 

2007
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,240
shouldn't be queen, I shouldn't 
be on the throne. 

2008
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:09,440
It could be the thing that turns
her to Stannis's path, which was

2009
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,920
I need to save the realm to win 
the throne, not win the throne 

2010
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,320
to save the realm. 
She might be OK, I'm going 

2011
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,320
north, I'm going to stop the 
others, and then we'll see about

2012
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,560
this whole throne business. 
You know, maybe I don't even 

2013
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,600
deserve it, but I definitely 
don't deserve it if I can't save

2014
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,400
the realm, right? 
So she may go north and maybe 

2015
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:29,360
she doesn't come back from that 
because, you know, the others 

2016
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,520
may be her end. 
She may die stopping them, who 

2017
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,080
knows? 
Either way, the Danny we know 

2018
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:38,000
now isn't wants to avoid 
civilian casualties. 

2019
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,600
She's not all about the yeah, 
strafe and burn. 

2020
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:42,960
I'm not really buying that from 
the TV show. 

2021
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,920
I think if she gets angry and 
and vindictive, it's not going 

2022
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,600
to be towards the civilian 
populace. 

2023
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:50,960
It's possible. 
I can't just throw that out. 

2024
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,320
It doesn't really fit for me, 
you know? 

2025
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:55,400
And the way I perceive her 
character and way the way things

2026
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:58,320
are going, I still think her end
is going to be heroic to the 

2027
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,320
readers and maybe not so heroic 
to the key characters in the 

2028
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,520
world. 
They may see her as a, they may 

2029
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:05,880
see her the wrong way. 
They may see her as a villain. 

2030
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,960
But I think us readers will have
much different information and 

2031
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,120
it's just a very different 
scenario. 

2032
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,600
So like, no matter what Danny 
does, there's Dragons here. 

2033
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:17,640
I mean, it's just there, there's
no way around that. 

2034
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,760
She's Eris's granddaughter, she 
can't escape that. 

2035
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:24,960
Even if she isn't responsible. 
It's it's just associated with 

2036
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:27,520
her. 
That's how people operate in 

2037
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,400
Westeros. 
You're, you're the crimes of the

2038
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:32,920
family are all connected. 
Like if, if a son commits a 

2039
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:34,920
crime, it, it reflects on the 
entire House. 

2040
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:36,520
That's just how Westerosi people
think. 

2041
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,120
So Danny's going to be blamed 
even if it's not her fault at 

2042
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:41,320
all. 
And it won't be her fault at 

2043
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:42,600
all. 
How could it be not? 

2044
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,920
As we've said, no one is 
responsible for setting off 

2045
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:49,680
Aries's caches other than Aries,
even though you can't really pin

2046
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,200
it on him. 
It's hard to pin things on a 

2047
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:54,240
dead man, but still, he did it. 
Yeah. 

2048
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,000
I mean, like even if you want to
say like the pyromancers get 

2049
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,120
some cold, but they're just 
fall. 

2050
01:43:58,280 --> 01:43:59,840
I mean like. 
They were all killed too. 

2051
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:02,440
Yeah, they all they're dead. 
You can't blame them now they're

2052
01:44:02,440 --> 01:44:04,520
dead. 
And they still had to. 

2053
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,640
Like if they, if they hadn't 
listened, they would've just 

2054
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,400
hired more people. 
Yeah. 

2055
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,280
So I don't know. 
It's it's on Aries. 

2056
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:11,920
You're right. 
It's, it's pretty hard, yeah. 

2057
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,680
It's like, if you accept that no
one knows about the caches, then

2058
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,000
it's hard to blame anyone for 
setting them off right? 

2059
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:22,800
You know, I mean, maybe we, we 
need to hold reserve judgement 

2060
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:25,280
maybe given on what actually 
happens, but it's, it's hard to 

2061
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,480
perceive it that way in my 
opinion. 

2062
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:29,440
And, and apparently Shay agrees 
with me. 

2063
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,200
Maybe a lot of y'all do as well.
Here's another piece of 

2064
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:34,320
foreshadowing that might apply. 
Do you know whose fault it 

2065
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:35,400
really is? 
Who's that? 

2066
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:37,080
George. 
Damn it, George. 

2067
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:38,880
You do, yes. 
It was like I'm saying, like I 

2068
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:42,440
know what you're going to say. 
Damn you so. 

2069
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,920
Yeah, here's another piece of 
foreshadowing that might apply. 

2070
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:48,560
It's pretty obscure, but I think
there's something to it. 

2071
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,800
It comes from the musical 
performances at the Purple 

2072
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:53,440
Wedding, of all places. 
Quote A. 

2073
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:57,400
Haunting ballad of two dying 
lovers amidst the doom of 

2074
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:02,320
Valyria might have pleased the 
hall more if Coleo had not sung 

2075
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:06,000
it in High Valyrian, which most 
of the guests could not. 

2076
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:11,520
Speak my over analytic review of
those two sentences. 

2077
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:16,080
Actually, it's one sentence is 
that it foreshadows A Aegon and 

2078
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,920
Arianne burning to death in our 
new Doom of King's Landing, 

2079
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:22,000
perhaps set off by green flame. 
Or, well, probably set off by 

2080
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,120
green flame. 
The subtlety here is that no one

2081
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:27,280
sees it coming because it's 
spoken in a language that no one

2082
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,560
can understand, so no one has, 
like, no one even perceives the 

2083
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,680
danger. 
So that's kind of cool. 

2084
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,240
It might be a stretch, but it's 
fun anyway. 

2085
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,200
And Nina and I both have Arianne
pretty high on the list of 

2086
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,880
people likely to die by dragon 
fire, right up there with, like,

2087
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:43,920
Victorian. 
And of course, Quentin's already

2088
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,480
on that list. 
But Oh yeah, And in the House of

2089
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:48,280
the Dragon credits, right? 
We have some burnings there. 

2090
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,920
Yeah, we have what looks like 2 
dying lovers amidst the doom of 

2091
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,280
Valyria. 
Yeah, sorry, not the credits, 

2092
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:54,800
but the. 
Intro credits. 

2093
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,520
That's that's not what it looks 
like because you know, it's it's

2094
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:59,840
it's the one person holding, 
cradling another. 

2095
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:01,800
It could be mother and child, 
but I think it looks like 

2096
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:02,840
lovers. 
I do too. 

2097
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:04,800
Yeah. 
That's if you may remember what 

2098
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:06,840
we're talking about, folks. 
If you next time you watch House

2099
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:08,400
the Dragon or just watch that 
intro. 

2100
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,880
Yeah, right during that, the 
tapestry. 

2101
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,040
Season 2 intro. 
Season 2 intro yes, if you don't

2102
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:16,960
love the idea of Danny actually 
going mad like I don't. 

2103
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,040
This fulfills her tragic destiny
away where she keeps her wits 

2104
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:22,600
but still gets blamed for a 
level of damage she never 

2105
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,480
intended. 
Still gets associated with 

2106
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:28,080
legacy for father, still has 
this curse of sorts hanging over

2107
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,080
her which he doesn't deserve. 
But it will look like her fault 

2108
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,280
and. 
And maybe that's when she we get

2109
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:37,600
into what might look like 
madness if she's just so pissed 

2110
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:39,720
off that she's blamed for 
something that's not her fault 

2111
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:41,080
that she does turn that on 
people. 

2112
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,600
That is if you are looking for a
way to see it that way. 

2113
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,480
That's, that's how it could be. 
I mean, and that will be like 

2114
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:51,160
everyone, if the city's 
destroyed, then there's nothing.

2115
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,840
There's no real witnesses. 
There's only the outside 

2116
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,640
opinions like, well, the city 
was destroyed and the only thing

2117
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:59,200
we know of there was a dragon 
involved or multiple Dragons. 

2118
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,240
And well, that's the one. 
There's the Mother of Dragons. 

2119
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:02,600
Who are we going to pin that on 
but her? 

2120
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,000
Like, how you gonna not believe 
the big black dragon was the 

2121
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:06,680
reason? 
If you're just a regular folk 

2122
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:08,160
person, you know, this isn't 
that. 

2123
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:10,280
Nobody suspects the Drogon 
situation. 

2124
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,160
This isn't everyone suspects the
Drogon situation. 

2125
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:16,400
Oh, yeah. 
So she's definitely the best 

2126
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,200
candidate to take the blame. 
There's no one else I could 

2127
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,200
really think of that would take 
the blame and have that be like,

2128
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,360
a good story for us. 
Like, Connington takes the 

2129
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,400
blame. 
He wants to take the blame. 

2130
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,280
He's ready for it. 
You know, Cersei, she's already 

2131
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,840
a villain willing to do these 
things that wouldn't, you know, 

2132
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,080
maybe she does it, but it 
doesn't seem as interesting. 

2133
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,840
You know, it's like, yeah, 
that's that's something she 

2134
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,440
would do. 
But Danny, that's tragic and 

2135
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:40,400
conflicting. 
And no, you know, that's going 

2136
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:41,920
to. 
That just hits harder. 

2137
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,360
I think. 
So Jon Connington causing it, 

2138
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:48,040
but Danny taking the blame, I 
think is a strong possibility. 

2139
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:52,200
So as you can see, there's ample
foreshadowing for the 

2140
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,160
destruction of King's Landing, 
but most of it rests on Aries's 

2141
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:57,280
leftover fruits. 
Danny's arc is full of 

2142
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:00,400
foreshadowing and a lot of that 
predicts death and destruction, 

2143
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:04,120
but not that much of it points 
to King's Landing directly. 

2144
01:48:04,440 --> 01:48:06,520
There's lots of stuff about 
Danny leaving a trail of 

2145
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:09,200
destruction, about burning this 
and that being a dragon. 

2146
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,600
It isn't specifically associated
with King's Landing, but it it's

2147
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,560
hard to point it anywhere else. 
Like where where else could they

2148
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:17,560
be talking about? 
Maybe it's just a general thing 

2149
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:19,960
all over Westeros. 
But yeah, I don't know about 

2150
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:23,080
that. 
Her goal, her her arc certainly 

2151
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,280
is headed towards the Iron 
Throne, which is in King's 

2152
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:28,800
Landing in the Red Keep. 
So yeah, you don't have to be 

2153
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:32,320
too specific with that, but it's
still maybe a no worthy point. 

2154
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,400
With Coddington, there is his 
regret over not burning Stoney 

2155
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:37,120
steps. 
So it's more distinct in his 

2156
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:39,840
POV. 
And of course his POV is a lot 

2157
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,840
easier than Danny's because he's
only got what, 2 chapters and 

2158
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:46,840
she's got dozens. 
So there's just his his story, 

2159
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,680
his role is a lot more narrowed 
down. 

2160
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:50,920
It's a little easier to 
perceive. 

2161
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,520
He is a bringer of disease and 
fire. 

2162
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,800
It's quite a role for this guy, 
this Tony Griffin, right, The 

2163
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:01,560
Stoney flaming Griffin. 
So yeah, but as we were saying, 

2164
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:05,440
Aries and his obsession with 
wildfire is probably going to go

2165
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:07,880
down as the biggest culprit here
from our point of view. 

2166
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,080
But the books, the characters in
the world, not not so likely. 

2167
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:14,920
And again, this this whole thing
of what does wildfire have to do

2168
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:19,600
with the return of Dragons? 
And yeah, coming back to that 

2169
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,800
briefly as we wrap up this 
episode, he probably acquired 

2170
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,680
his obsession with wildfire 
initially through Summerhall, 

2171
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,480
where, you know, his grandfather
tried to bring the Dragons back,

2172
01:49:29,480 --> 01:49:33,840
and it went horribly wrong. 
And it had also gone wrong for 

2173
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,960
Aegon's older brother, Aryan. 
So Aries knew about all these 

2174
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:37,600
things. 
That was his. 

2175
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,400
Aryan was his uncle or great 
uncle, rather. 

2176
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,720
So yeah, these are things that 
he's aware of. 

2177
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:47,680
And throw in all the other 
attempts to bring back Dragons 

2178
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:51,080
from his his previous ancestors.
And just like it went horribly 

2179
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:52,960
wrong at Summerhall, it could go
horribly wrong at King's 

2180
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,480
Landing. 
We've already seen how it can go

2181
01:49:55,480 --> 01:49:58,840
wrong with just controlled burns
like Blood Ravens, let alone 

2182
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,120
battle the Blackwater and and 
what's yet to come. 

2183
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,400
That's why it's so hard to 
imagine a scenario where Danny 

2184
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,920
isn't either the culprit or the 
scapegoat. 

2185
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:10,920
Her family history is both tied 
to wildfire and these caches 

2186
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:14,000
specifically. 
And as I said, it just seems 

2187
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:17,040
like a bigger tragedy, bigger 
conflict if it's her instead of 

2188
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:19,600
Connington, who's just not as 
important of a character. 

2189
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,920
So there's some other factors I 
want to throw out at you without

2190
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,240
getting too deep into them. 
Just some food for thought, 

2191
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:28,200
stuff that's maybe a little 
beyond the scope of this 

2192
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:34,520
episode, but is important. 
Like, again, I want to remind 

2193
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:35,640
you all the overlap with 
grayscale. 

2194
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:37,600
There's a lot of ways that could
play out where it's just 

2195
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:43,000
necessary to quote UN quote to 
bomb or burn a lot of people to 

2196
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,240
prevent the plague from 
switching. 

2197
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:46,360
And what about the timing of all
this? 

2198
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:49,480
Like we said, there's a good 
chance that this is what sends 

2199
01:50:49,480 --> 01:50:51,680
Danny N. 
But what if it's the other way 

2200
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,160
around? 
What if N comes first and then 

2201
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,440
she comes back to King's Landing
and then the caches are blown? 

2202
01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:00,160
Maybe this is the post others 
event. 

2203
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:02,320
You know, it doesn't have to 
happen 1st. 

2204
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,280
And that could all the the 
benefit to the story playing out

2205
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:09,160
that way is that grayscale could
be playing out in the South 

2206
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:10,960
while so much is happening in 
the North. 

2207
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:15,040
And that problem could escalate.
And it allows for that problem 

2208
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,080
to build. 
It allows for Cersei and Aegon 

2209
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:19,360
to kind of duel it out with, 
with Danny's kind of off doing 

2210
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:21,560
her own thing. 
Maybe, maybe Cersei's already 

2211
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,480
resolved by that point. 
But it is tricky to figure out. 

2212
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,480
And this is one of the things I 
love about George's writing. 

2213
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:28,920
Even with all this 
foreshadowing, it's still really

2214
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,400
hard to parse a lot of it. 
And we have some good ideas of 

2215
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:36,880
the basics, but there's still so
much that we really can't tell, 

2216
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:38,480
right? 
Like the the inner, the 

2217
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,440
inclusion of grayscale and the 
timing of some of the other big 

2218
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:44,680
plot lines. 
And yeah, it's that that's where

2219
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,560
it gets really difficult. 
So as close as we can get to 

2220
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:50,320
some of us, we're still pretty 
far off on a lot of it. 

2221
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,280
And what are the consequences, 
too? 

2222
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:53,960
What if King's Landing is 
destroyed? 

2223
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:56,120
What is? 
What if Danny is blamed for 

2224
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:57,800
that? 
We say, what if Danny's blamed 

2225
01:51:57,800 --> 01:51:59,960
for that? 
What if we call it likely? 

2226
01:51:59,960 --> 01:52:03,120
But what actually happens if 
he's blamed for? 

2227
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:05,200
What does that mean? 
What did she do? 

2228
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:08,680
Is that why she goes N to prove 
herself as a as a as as the 

2229
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:12,120
worthy by defeating the others? 
It's like, OK, I'm going to 

2230
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:14,080
prove myself. 
Look, I will save the realm 

2231
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,360
y'all. 
And then she dies doing that. 

2232
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:17,880
So it just doesn't doesn't 
happen. 

2233
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:22,160
Or what if using some of Nina's 
examples, King's Landing is like

2234
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:27,640
semi irradiated, right? 
Like the doom, you know, like 

2235
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:30,800
it's, it's not livable anymore. 
King's Landing is is you can't 

2236
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,080
live there the the capital's 
just gone. 

2237
01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:35,920
How does that change Westeros? 
How does that leave the series 

2238
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:37,960
at the end? 
What if it's like the Shadow or 

2239
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:42,080
Mantari swear just magical 
fallout zone where it just can't

2240
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,480
live there for reasons that no 
one can explain. 

2241
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,240
Especially if on top of that 
there's like no Old Town. 

2242
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:50,920
What if Euron takes down Old 
Town also, and it's just two of 

2243
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:54,000
the the two biggest cities in 
Westeros are destroyed or mostly

2244
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:55,400
destroyed? 
Yeah. 

2245
01:52:55,400 --> 01:52:58,120
Westeros is a new world going 
forward after that, a dream of 

2246
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:01,280
spring is a dream of a entirely 
new continent of just a very 

2247
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,200
different place, maybe not even 
a united place anymore. 

2248
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:07,200
And it's one thing. 
It is, even though I emphasize 

2249
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:08,440
Danny. 
Yeah. 

2250
01:53:08,440 --> 01:53:10,680
What what about Connington? 
What if Connington blows up the 

2251
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:11,440
city Or. 
And. 

2252
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:13,080
And even though people don't 
blame him for it, what if he 

2253
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:14,320
does it? 
What's what's he going to think 

2254
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:18,680
he's like, oops, Well, I did. 
Is he going to become even more 

2255
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:21,640
murderous and vindictive since 
he has no purpose to life 

2256
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:23,600
anymore if his candidate is 
incinerated? 

2257
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,360
What if he blames himself but in
denial for that too? 

2258
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:31,000
Yeah, yeah, that's a dangerous 
man, infected with grayscale and

2259
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:34,840
capable Marshally and no reason 
to live. 

2260
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:36,680
Just wants to deal out death and
destruction. 

2261
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:41,520
Not good, not good, y'all? 
This is one of the more 

2262
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:46,840
portentous episodes we've done 
in terms of so much evidence for

2263
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:51,120
so much destruction in the big 
population center and Old Town 

2264
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:52,440
too. 
We we casually mentioned that 

2265
01:53:52,440 --> 01:53:55,200
here at the end. 
So yeah, pretty heavy stuff, 

2266
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:57,520
y'all. 
The answer to our trivia 

2267
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,480
question. 
Who tells John Connington the 

2268
01:53:59,480 --> 01:54:01,680
Tywin Lannister would have 
burned Stoney's step to the 

2269
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:03,680
ground rather than the way he 
handled it. 

2270
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:09,560
Sir Miles Toyne, AKA Black 
Heart, strongly implied that 

2271
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,560
Connington had feelings for 
Black Heart. 

2272
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,760
They might have been lovers, but
I don't think so because I think

2273
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:18,360
he was fully closeted. 
But still that vibe is there in 

2274
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:22,640
in his thoughts episodes that we
mentioned today that are very 

2275
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:26,040
relevant to this one that you if
you want to keep immersed in 

2276
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:27,440
this particular topic or related
ones. 

2277
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:30,320
We have two episodes on summer 
Hall talking about Rhaegar and 

2278
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:34,560
Aries and Aegon the 5th and 
prophecy and yeah, wildfire and 

2279
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:38,400
Duncan and the other Duncan and 
yeah, lots of stuff there. 

2280
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:41,800
The Three eyed Bloodraven 
episode, That's the one that 

2281
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:45,800
refer that we deal with in terms
of Aryan, bright flame and his 

2282
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,320
being sent to the wall. 
But there's some, we have some 

2283
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:51,960
discussion of him and Aryan with
the whole wildfire business. 

2284
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:56,360
Valeridus, Cersei chapters, 
especially the A Feast for Crows

2285
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:59,200
ones, which is of course the 
bulk of all her chapters. 

2286
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:04,200
A Feast for Crows, She is the 
most prominent POV in A Feast 

2287
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:07,000
for Crows if you go by total 
number of chapters. 

2288
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:10,200
And of course we refer to a 
Clash of Kings, the Battle of 

2289
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:13,880
Blackwater. 
So Valeridus, portions of that 

2290
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:17,320
are very relevant as well. 
That's Tyrion and Sansa and 

2291
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:21,080
Davos of course. 
Great multi POV battle, one of 

2292
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,600
the standouts of the early part 
of the series. 

2293
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:25,160
Always worth rereading that 
again. 

2294
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:29,200
But in this case, not just to 
enjoy it for the for what 

2295
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:32,480
happens then and for how well 
written it is, but to look ahead

2296
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:34,760
to stuff like this that we've 
discussed in the episode that 

2297
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:37,520
you may not have considered when
you first read those chapters. 

2298
01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:42,240
Because as usual, there's always
so much there to consider. 

2299
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:45,520
George's writing is nothing if 
not extremely rich and layered. 

2300
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:49,800
I think we've done a pretty good
job today of pointing to that. 

2301
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:54,440
Thanks everyone for hanging out 
with us, for listening, for 

2302
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:58,920
consuming, for sharing, for 
pondering, for being a part of 

2303
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:03,760
our community. 
And I want to thank people that 

2304
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,720
helped us make this episode. 
Of course, Nina, big help with 

2305
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:09,000
some notes and some discussions 
with me that helped me get my 

2306
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:11,160
thoughts in order. 
And once again, good Clean Alley

2307
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:16,200
with 1l.tumblr.com for more of 
her thoughts, years of thoughts 

2308
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:20,040
collected there by now. 
Joey Townsend for our music, 

2309
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:22,960
appreciate that, Joey. 
And Michael Klarfeld, our video 

2310
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,360
intro and the maps you see 
behind us. 

2311
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,960
You can get his work at his 
website. 

2312
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:35,120
KLARADO x.de.de, because the man
is German, that's Deutsche 

2313
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:38,480
Pachea. 
Until next time, my friends, on 

2314
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,640
behalf of Ochea, we'll see you 
next time. 

2315
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:43,320
And Valar reread us.