1 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,720 The story of Jaharis the Second is 1 of unfulfilled 2 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,400 expectations. He was named for the king with 3 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,720 the longest rule in the history of the Targaryen dynasty, yet he 4 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,240 would have one of the shortest reigns of any Targaryen king. 5 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,000 His father and grandfather LED armies against subsequent Black 6 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,640 Fire pretenders, but while he did not lack for courage, he did 7 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,760 lack for health and thus had to rely on his vassals and their 8 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,560 forces to face the Black Fire threat. 9 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,040 Jeharis the Second insisted his son and daughter Mary so that 10 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,440 the Prince that Was Promised could be born, but didn't live 11 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,080 to see whether one of his descendants could actually fit 12 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,200 the prophecy. With such a short reign, was 13 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,600 Jeharis the Second only a stop gap between the reforms of Egg 14 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,400 and the tyranny of the Mad King, or is there more? 15 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,920 With this penultimate Targaryen on the Iron Throne, did he have 16 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,400 his own prophetic dreams or destiny? 17 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,440 What did he think about Summer Hall or the end of the Black 18 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,800 Fires? And if the Prince that was 19 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,800 Promised is his descendant and saves the world, how much, if at 20 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,280 all, do we have Jahari the Second to thank for that? 21 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:49,960 Today we shall speak to the Life and Times of Jahari the Second, 22 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,520 the red comet of Targaryen kings burning brightly but briefly, 23 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,720 bringing both beginnings and endings, for better or worse. 24 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,600 Nina Kruseling, our favorite guest, and I will break down all 25 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,640 that and more on this episode of History of Westeros Podcast. 26 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,880 Hello and welcome, everybody. It's a prerecorded episode of 27 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,640 History of Westeros Podcast. We did this one in the studio 28 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:16,920 with no live viewers. That's fun. 29 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:18,120 We do that every once in a while. 30 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,680 This is a nice lengthy episode about a Targaryen king who 31 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,280 doesn't get a lot of press but has a lot to be said about. 32 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,520 We do every episode on Spotify as a video and on YouTube they 33 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,960 are available everywhere. You can find podcasts on every 34 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,720 platform and if you listen on Patreon they are ad free. 35 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,800 Hey Nina, how's it going? You are the main writer for this 36 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,640 episode so it's good to see you back again. 37 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:43,360 And of course, we want to plug your good queenalley.tumblr.com 38 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,560 home base there. Thank you, I am I am glad to be 39 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,000 back. I life is good. 40 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,240 Life is very, very good. I wish I had more time to write, 41 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,320 but that's the chronic story of everyone. 42 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,040 But yeah, I absolutely love whenever I have a a spare 43 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,880 moment. Love writing on on the Tumblr? 44 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,240 Awesome. So folks, if you have questions 45 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,600 about this episode, e-mail them to westeroshistory@gmail.com or 46 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,320 hit us on any of our socials. We're pretty much on every 47 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,520 platform. At the end of this episode, I 48 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,680 will mention some that have overlapping topics, ones that 49 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,240 relate to this one so you can continue to be immersed. 50 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,200 Here are the section headers that we'll give you for this 51 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,640 episode. We have our setup that includes 52 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:24,200 the first description and the first mention, his early life, 53 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,360 then the main course here, the marriage prophecy and Summer 54 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,320 Hall a section, and then his reign. 55 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,040 Then we have his death and his legacy, which are pretty 56 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,440 substantial as well. You might be surprised at what 57 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,720 he's had an influence on and who so we'll get to all of that as 58 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,960 throughout the course of this episode. 59 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,280 Let's get to it with the first description. 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,320 A nice resource we have is George's descriptions that for 61 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,680 the Targaryen kings, and I mean they were written as 62 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,640 instructions to the artist Amuck. 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,560 And this is what we have for Jaharis the second, per the So 64 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,480 Spake Martin quote. Amiable, clever, sickly. 65 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,280 He died young, pale and frail, with very large purple eyes, 66 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:09,640 shoulder length hair, a silky beard, a tired smile, one arm 67 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,080 concealed by the drape of his Cape. 68 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,839 Where's Makar's crown? The armpit is interesting. 69 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,160 The implications being that something's wrong, maybe he's 70 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,720 hiding it from view. I've seen a few other artists 71 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,400 run with this and include it visibly in pieces where it's not 72 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,320 hidden. So they have to kind of run with 73 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,840 whether it's withered or missing some fingers or something like 74 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:32,560 that. It's it's. 75 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,080 It's unclear, but hiding it definitely is suggestive. 76 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,520 It makes me think of Wilhelm the second, who's the last German 77 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,080 emperor. He had a disability from birth. 78 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,400 His left arm was about 6 inches shorter than his right arm. 79 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,720 That very physically weak on it. By non professional medical 80 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,720 understanding is that it was basically ripped out of its 81 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,520 socket at birth. And so when you look at images 82 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,800 and photographs of the time of Wilhelm, almost always his arm 83 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,680 is behind his back, or it's resting on a sword, or it's 84 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,280 within his other hand, or he's holding gloves. 85 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,120 And it's always just sort of hide this fact or disguise this 86 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,480 fact that he's got this disabled left arm. 87 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,880 And so I don't know if maybe that's what George is going for. 88 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,640 I also kind of see it as sort of sartorial representation of 89 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,440 Jaharis being not quite ready or prepared for this role. 90 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,280 Like the clothes are literally too big for him because 91 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,320 politically and dynastically, this is not his role. 92 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,960 These are these are literally not his clothes. 93 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,760 So I think it's maybe a little column A, little column B too. 94 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,200 I like that, yeah. I like the I like the idea of 95 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,120 interpreting what George is going for by just how he dresses 96 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,000 him. Here's the first mention of 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,560 Jairus. The second it comes in Eddard 5A 98 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,720 Game of Thrones quote this illness that took him. 99 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Said Ned. Had you ever seen It's Like 100 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,040 Before in Other Men? Near 40 years I have been Grand 101 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,600 Maester of the Seven Kingdoms, Paisal replied. 102 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:10,360 Under our good King Robert and Aries Targaryen before him, and 103 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,920 his father Jaharis the Second before him, and even for a few 104 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:21,360 short months under Jaharis's father Aegon the Fortunate, the 105 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,120 5th of his name. I have seen more of illness than 106 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,360 I care to remember. My Lord, I will tell you this, 107 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,240 Every case is different and every case is alike. 108 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,160 Lord John's death was no stranger than any other. 109 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,240 That's right, he's the grandfather of Danny, Viserys 110 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,600 and Rhaegar. This is also a good reminder 111 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,320 that while we call him Aegon the Unlikely and a lot of the common 112 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,880 folk did, many others called him Aegon the Fortunate. 113 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,480 It's a bit more noble sounding, a bit more proper, you know? 114 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,560 We would guess that Jaharius and his siblings preferred that 115 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,640 epithet too, as it, you know, reflected on them. 116 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,080 Though honestly, while the realm benefited, it's a, it's a 117 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,840 philosophical question. Whether you're actually 118 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:05,560 fortunate to become king, I don't know. 119 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,680 I mean, that's not a question for today, but it's not always a 120 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,680 fortunate thing. No. 121 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,520 And I again, it's, that's beyond the scope of today, but I think, 122 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,960 you know, to me it's sort of representative of, and again, 123 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,000 I'm going to go back to Tudor history because that's where I 124 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,160 live is, you know, the difference between what tutors 125 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,720 would have generally referred to as happy versus Mary. 126 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,760 You know, when they talk about happy, it's really not happy in 127 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,080 the way that we would say, you know, joy, people are having 128 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,000 fun. That's really their word, Mary. 129 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,240 When they say happy, it's really more something along the lines 130 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,640 of fortunate. You have a good fortune, 131 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,920 something good has happened to you, sort of the opposite of the 132 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,520 word hapless. And and so with Aegon the 133 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Fortunate, I kind of think of it as he might not be personally 134 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,760 fortunate in the fact that he's enjoying kingship, but he is 135 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,160 fortunate in the sense that a crown has been bestowed on him 136 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,080 who was born the fourth son of a fourth son. 137 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,960 Yeah, that's for sure. That is very fortunate in that 138 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,440 sense, no doubt. Early life. 139 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,080 He was born in 225 AC, the second son and second child of 140 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,240 Prince Egon and Lady Betha Blackwood. 141 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,920 Of course, this is Egg from the tales of Duncan. 142 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,760 Egg grown up, but not yet King. He'll be Egg on the 5th. 143 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,440 Of course. Egg had married Betha Blackwood 144 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,440 in 220, a year after the third Black Fire Rebellion, when he 145 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,560 was 20 and Betha was 19. Now, Jaharis had an older 146 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,720 brother, Duncan, who would be later known as Duncan the Small 147 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,919 and the Prince of Dragonflies. We don't exactly know when he 148 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:36,600 was born, but it was between 2:20 and 2:24, so he was up to 149 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,200 four years older than Jaharis, but as little as one year older. 150 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,960 Jaharis would also have three younger siblings as well. 151 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,000 There'd be Deron born in 228, cause of course there's a Deron, 152 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,160 right? There has to be a Deron and two 153 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,720 sisters, Shara born in 226, and Rael. 154 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,640 We don't know exactly a range of 229 to 234, so not very clear on 155 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,000 that one, but it's not super important at this point. 156 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,680 It's very likely that Jaharis was named after King Jaharis, 157 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:09,440 the most successful, perhaps you could say most beloved, 158 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:12,880 certainly longest reign, as we said in the intro, and they may 159 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,040 have been hoping for some kind of giving him that kind of 160 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,080 wisdom. I think there've been a few 161 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,600 other Jaharis's that were named in the cradle that didn't make 162 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,080 it right, but this is the only other one obviously who there 163 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,040 wasn't even one that wasn't. Prince. 164 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,080 That didn't become King I. Was going to say Agon, the 165 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,680 second son was Jaharis, but I'm, I'm not, I'm trying to think if 166 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:32,480 there was any other Jaharis's before. 167 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Obviously Eris the second, who's this Jaharis's son will go on to 168 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,760 have his own son Jaharis. But obviously that's in the 169 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,120 future. But no, I think you're right. 170 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,840 I think that he is likely named after Jaharis the 1st. 171 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,040 And I think look, my feelings on Jaharis is a character aside. 172 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,720 I have many of them and very few of them are kind. 173 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,880 I think it's fair to say that in the world of Westeros, the 174 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,720 popular concept of Jaharis the first is this king who was the 175 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,520 best of the Targaryen monarchs, who looked out for his people, 176 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,880 who brought peace and justice and stability and prosperity to 177 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,920 Westeros. And even though I don't, I don't 178 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,080 think anyone assumes at this time that Egg will automatically 179 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,280 become king when his father dies. 180 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,640 It doesn't mean that Egg isn't thinking about what sort of 181 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,480 models do I want for my sons, what sort of models do I want 182 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,360 for the next generation of Princess. 183 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,880 And I think Egg is looking to someone like a Jaharis and 184 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,120 saying this is a good king. This is a king who looks out for 185 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,160 his people. This is a king who we hear Egg 186 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,080 himself cite the example of Jaharis and Alison to dunk in 187 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,520 the sworn sword of abolishing the right to the first night. 188 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,480 Egg is aware of this legacy of Jaharis, and I think that's 189 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,840 something he wants to bring into his own sons and the next 190 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,160 generation. I'm House Targaryen. 191 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,360 Yeah, Jaharis wasn't just born as a Prince of the royal family, 192 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,880 which of course he was, but it it was wasn't a standard 193 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,080 marriage that he was born from. Almost all of the marriages in 194 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,440 any noble family, but especially the royal family, are dynastic. 195 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,600 Either they're the standard Targaryen incest pairing, or 196 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,520 they're made for some alliance reason. 197 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,560 This is not the case. He was born of a marriage made 198 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,240 for love. Of course, they were given some 199 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,040 leeway, in part because no one ever expected him to inherit in 200 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,040 the first they they figured no problem, go ahead, it doesn't 201 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,880 matter. But that it it turned out to 202 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,760 matter quite a bit. So that's quite an unusual start 203 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,160 to life as compared to other Targaryens, isn't? 204 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,960 It it is and I think that that's going to be I mean, look, not to 205 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,240 give away the plot here, but the marriage is made for love and 206 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,960 marriage is made for dynastic or supernatural prophetic reasons 207 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,440 are going to be a major factor in the story of De Harris the 208 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,480 second. So the fact that he is born of 209 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,120 this love match of a marriage that was not intended, that may 210 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:55,120 have even broken up a betrothal that Eggs could have had before, 211 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,520 there's certainly at least the barest suggestion of that from 212 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,440 Young Egg in the tales of Duncan Egg. 213 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,600 The fact that Harris is born of this union, No, it's not 214 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,320 completely unknown, but it's rare. 215 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,200 It's unusual. It's something that's commented 216 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,280 on in his own time. And I think Jaharis would have 217 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,960 had that example in front of him of parents who are together 218 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,880 primarily because they loved each other and really not for 219 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,960 any other reason. The baby Jaharis was born during 220 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,160 the reign of his paternal grandfather, King Makar so. 221 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,000 Jaharis's own father would, you know, become to be known as 222 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,440 Aegon and likely after he became king, the fourth son of a fourth 223 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,000 son, him being that other, that first fourth son, King Makar. 224 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,840 So you argue maybe that he should be called Makar. 225 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,680 The unlikely to I agree with that point. 226 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,000 He's he's sort of he's he's Makar. 227 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,240 The possibly slightly less unlikely. 228 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,120 I'm not sure. I'm not to the level, but really 229 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,240 I mean, and when Makar is born and growing up, I don't think 230 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,880 anyone would have assumed that Makar would eventually become 231 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,800 king. He's not just a fourth son, 232 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,560 which is already farther down the line of succession, but he's 233 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:07,000 a fourth son where two of his older brothers have a son or 234 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,960 multiple sons of their own. So no one looking at the 235 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,200 Targaryen dynasty as those other Princess are growing up is going 236 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,840 to think, oh, of course Makar will become king eventually. 237 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,560 That would have seemed pretty unusual, if not totally out of 238 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:26,080 the realm of possibility. And yet here we are when baby 239 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,360 Taharis is born and Makar has been king for the better part of 240 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,320 five years. Yeah, I think if Egg hadn't 241 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,920 become King Makar's, the unlikelihood of his reign or 242 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,120 rule would have been noted a lot more. 243 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,200 It's just something way more unlikely happened. 244 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,000 He's always getting overshadowed. 245 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,080 Makar is right. That's just the story of his 246 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,680 life and apparently his his death, you know? 247 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,800 So, yeah, there's a lot of like family traditions here, things 248 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,160 that were kind of regular for the Targaryens in this era and 249 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,440 some things that were changing so that we'll go over some of 250 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,240 those during during the episode. And one of those that's perhaps 251 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,440 the most famous is the black fires. 252 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,000 They had just not really stopped. 253 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,480 They kept coming. And that was true in this era, 254 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:13,640 too. Wouldn't, isn't it? 255 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,880 It is. I mean, again, De Harris is born 256 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,240 in 226. We're 30 years out from the 257 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,800 first Black Fire Rebellion, which in Westerosi terms is not 258 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,520 that far along. When you're talking about 259 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,400 families that have existed for the better part of 8000 years, 260 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,160 30 years is the blink of an eye. And in this era, the Black Fires 261 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,400 are still very much an active threat across the Narrow Sea. 262 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,520 Again, we talk about Makar being king at this time. 263 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,400 Makar was one of the great victors of the Red Grass field, 264 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,840 and he didn't just stop. Then Maker also went to war 265 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,320 against the Black fires again in the third Black Fire rebellion. 266 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Eng fought in the third Black Fire rebellion. 267 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:00,320 So did Aryan unfortunately. But, and, and again, that's give 268 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,600 the game away, but there's going to be 1/4 Blackfire rebellion 269 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,600 and Jaharis is going to be present for that. 270 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,200 So this is not a case where the black fires are sort of this 271 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,200 theoretical possibility that, oh, maybe someday there might be 272 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,880 a claim by one of them. No, this is a branch of the 273 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,440 family that is very much extant. It is out there. 274 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,800 It wants the Iron Throne and it's going to try to take the 275 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,880 Iron Throne. Yeah, they weren't shy about it. 276 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,920 They pretty much made it known they wanted it and would say so 277 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,040 often and loudly. And yeah, it wasn't a 278 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,360 underhanded attempt. It was a, you know, overt 279 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:35,960 attempt. They wanted everyone to know it. 280 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,840 But in a way, things were a little more tenuous for House 281 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:46,640 Targaryen, even though none of the black fires after Damon were 282 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,960 nearly as formidable. So that in that sense it was a 283 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,360 little less of a threat, but in another sense they had more of 284 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,120 an internal threat because their own problems were happening. 285 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,200 Huh. That's absolutely true and you 286 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,040 know the 2 are sort of intertwined as well. 287 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,000 I mean the when the fortunes of one are declining, the fortunes 288 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,000 of the other are going to seem perhaps potentially on the rise. 289 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,000 But, you know, I think when Jay Harris is born, it's this period 290 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,440 of, I'm not going to call it crisis for House Targaryen, but 291 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,760 uncertainty, dynastic uncertainty. 292 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,280 Maybe, maybe a better word here. I mentioned before when we're as 293 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,160 readers looking at House Targaryen during, let's say, the 294 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,600 attorney Bashford at the start of that, it looks like a very 295 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,760 strong and stable and secure dynasty. 296 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,120 You've got the four sons of the ruling king. 297 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:37,440 Baylor's got two sons of his own, Regal I, I don't know if 298 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,800 Aylor was born at that point, but he certainly would go on to 299 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,520 have Aylor. Makar, of course, has his four 300 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,920 sons. There's so many Targaryens that 301 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,600 Eamon actually has to be sent to the Citadel because Daron is so 302 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,920 worried about having too many Targaryen Princess around. 303 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Too many Dragons is as dangerous as too few. 304 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,120 So it goes from this surplus of Targaryen Princess. 305 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,400 Nothing could possibly touch the stability of House Targaryen. 306 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:08,280 And then you get to early 15 years later and all of a sudden 307 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,319 Baylor is dead. His sons are dead, Eris is dead, 308 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,960 Regal is dead, Aylor is dead, Aylor's sister Elora is dead. 309 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:23,000 Yes, Daenora is still alive, but the only male male lion branch 310 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,440 of House Targaryen left is Makar and his sons. 311 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,600 And we don't even know if Daron was still alive at this point. 312 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,280 Daron the drunken. He could have already died by 313 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,200 226 AC. It's it's unclear, but at at 314 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,520 most it's Makar. It's Daron who has no sons of 315 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,800 his own, it's Aryan who as yet has no sons of his own, It's 316 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,960 Eamon who's at the Citadel and obviously will not have any sons 317 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,880 of his own. And then it's Egg. 318 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:53,240 So once again, House Targaryen is sort of dynastically 319 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,560 collapsing in on itself. Yeah, even the candidates that 320 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,280 were there, and they were a shrinking pool of candidates, 321 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,120 weren't good candidates. So only maybe one or two of them 322 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:06,040 were good candidates, and that's not great. 323 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,120 That doesn't give a lot of people the warm and fuzzies. 324 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,080 It's interesting to consider some of these relationships that 325 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,680 are hidden, right? Jahari's Aryan and him existed 326 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,120 at the same time. Was he picking on him like he 327 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:21,440 picked on egg? Or is that a little too far 328 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,720 apart, you know, Or is he a little bit more mature by then? 329 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,720 Was he worse, you know? For for Harris's sake, I hope 330 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,040 their interactions were few, if ever. 331 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:33,200 Yeah, right. Yeah. 332 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,440 That's not an influence you want, I imagine, like his 333 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,920 parents keeping it. Don't don't talk to Uncle Aryan. 334 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,680 You had to stay away from him. So what would the general 335 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,000 reaction to the family have been to Harris's birth? 336 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,320 It would, would it be more like positive because like, hey, this 337 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,280 is just a, you know, we a regular Targaryen, you know, 338 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,440 maybe not madness or anything like that. 339 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,200 Well, I mean, I think that, you know, obviously we're getting a 340 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,960 new, a new male line male of House Targaryen and that's 341 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,880 almost always A cause for celebration and any hereditary 342 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,080 aristocratic dynasty, you know, Targaryens are no exception. 343 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,600 But I think even though no one is looking at baby Caharis when 344 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,880 he's born and saying, oh, he's obviously going to be king 345 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,600 someday, I I think absolutely no one would have been saying that. 346 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,560 I don't think it would have escaped notice of at least some 347 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,440 of the people becoming aware of his birth or witnessing this 348 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,960 birth to see the branch that is populating helps Targaryen for 349 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,240 lack of a better term. This is eggs branch we've got 350 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,200 again. Darren may already have been 351 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,280 dead. He certainly only had the one 352 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,800 child. It's a girl and she's supposedly 353 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,600 simple minded. We've got Aryan, he is not 354 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,600 married. Everyone is aware of Aryan's 355 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,040 cruelty and violence. No one, I think wants Aryan's 356 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,000 child to succeed to the extent he even will have one, which no 357 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,320 one knows at this point. Eamon is a maester. 358 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,960 He's sort of out of the running at this point. 359 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,480 The only branch that is continuing here is is eggs. 360 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,400 And now with Caharis's birth, Eggs got his heir in his spare. 361 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,200 So I think it would have been at least intriguing for people to 362 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,640 look at Caharis's birth and think. 363 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,840 You know what's going to happen when make our dies? 364 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,160 Are we going to potentially look to egg? 365 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,400 Yeah, he's, you know, quote UN quote, half a peasant, but he's 366 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,200 also married to an aristocrat and he's got these two boys. 367 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,160 He's got the air and the spare. That's that's dynastic stability 368 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,880 right there. And that may be worth overcoming 369 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,920 that, you know, again, quote UN quote, half a peasant attitude 370 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,080 toward him. So I, I think it would have been 371 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,080 interesting to think about to Harris less about himself and 372 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,320 more about what he meant for his own branch within House 373 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,800 Targaryen. And of course, we're not 374 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,600 entirely sure what eggs other children looked like physically. 375 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,080 There's a drawing of his sons in the World of Ice and Fire, but 376 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,200 how canonical that is, I'm not really certain at this point. 377 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,240 But we definitely know from George's own words that Jaharis 378 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,600 is very Targaryen looking. He's got the silver gold hair, 379 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,440 he's got the purple eyes. So even if Prince Duncan looked 380 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,480 more like the Blackwood side of the family now, it's no question 381 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,320 that the Targaryen look is populating in the next 382 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,320 generation. We've got this baby Prince who 383 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,880 is showing he is a Targaryen, if you're judging by looks alone. 384 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:23,400 So what else was going on around the realm when he was growing 385 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,960 up? Things that he maybe would have 386 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,360 remembered from his early childhood or things that would 387 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:31,240 have been an impactful things along that line. 388 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,360 A lot. You know, it's unfortunate that 389 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,640 the world of ice and fire doesn't devote a lot to makers 390 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,120 reign for makers perspective. I'm hoping we certainly get a 391 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:41,520 lot more of that in future tales. 392 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,560 But there's a lot that's going on around the realm that doesn't 393 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,400 necessarily have to do with the Royal Court. 394 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:51,280 So we know that roughly around the time of De Harris's birth, 395 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,840 there's an outbreak of great plague in Old Town and it's 396 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,640 apparently really devastating. It wipes out half of the city. 397 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,640 And considering Old Town is the largest city in Westeros, that's 398 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,520 kind of a problem. That's a major, major, major. 399 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,280 You know, we all lived through a pandemic. 400 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,520 We can understand just how devastating something like that 401 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,520 would have been. Jay Harris is also born at the 402 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,800 beginning of a seven-year summer, a summer that goes on so 403 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,240 long that there are even people at the Citadel who think that 404 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,800 this is the great summer, that, oh, we've done it, this is the 405 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,040 summer that's never going to end. 406 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,800 We're all good now. Obviously that's not true. 407 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,520 Autumn is going to come and then there's going to be a 408 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,920 particularly bad winter. But in that way, we can think of 409 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,560 Gaheris as almost a brand like figure. 410 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,880 You know, Bran is born at during the long summer. 411 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,920 He never knows winter until, you know, the story starts. 412 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,400 He's a summer child. And I don't mean that in a, you 413 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,800 know, pejorative way. I mean that is quite literally 414 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,600 he is a child of summer. And that's the same for to 415 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,880 Harris. He only knows the sort of peace 416 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,880 and plenty that come with a Westerosi summer. 417 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,000 We don't know if Dagon Greyjoy was still active. 418 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,040 I tend to think make our head already sort of taking care of 419 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,320 the Dagon problem by 2:26. But it's very possible that 420 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Egan, either Dagon himself or people who are following in 421 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,880 Dagon's name among the Ironborn are still reading at this point 422 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,480 that there are still sort of active problems among the 423 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,400 Ironborn. And we know that there's 424 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,520 problems also in the North because when Jaharis is 2 years 425 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,840 old, William Stark dies, turning back Raymond Ray Redbeard at 426 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,400 Long Lake. It's a it's a major incursion 427 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,360 into the North that is only stopped by the combined efforts 428 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,280 of the Starks and Umbers on one side and the Nights Watch on the 429 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,840 other. And then in the West, we've got 430 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,800 Gerald Lannister and Rohan Weber. 431 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,560 You know, we meet Rohan in the Sworn Sword. 432 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,320 She's going to spoil alert, go on to marry Gerald Lannister. 433 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,280 Their grandson is going to be Tywin. 434 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,640 They're ruling at Casterly Rock. So these are figures that 435 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,040 Harris's father certainly would have known, but Rohan's going to 436 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,360 disappear by the end of the decade, which is a mystery that 437 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,600 is as yet still unanswered. Hopefully we get a whole tale 438 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,720 about that, but there's a lot going on. 439 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,200 This is a very active decade, despite the fact that we don't 440 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,880 get a lot about it in the description of Make Ours Rain 441 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,120 itself. Yeah, it's like he maybe saved 442 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,880 it, like you said, for Duncan Egg, just like he's not giving 443 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,200 us much detail on the 3rd Blackfyre Rebellion, but on 444 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,840 either side of it, we get quite a bit. 445 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,520 Definitely very interesting times. 446 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,960 I agree there's a lot more detail in this era than, say, 447 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,240 the 50 years before that. But the Black Fire rebellions, 448 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,480 as we will come back to several times in this episode, because 449 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,280 they are such a constant, ubiquitous threat. 450 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,760 They're out there, you know, they've probably lived in not 451 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,920 fear of them, but in constant awareness that there was 452 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,080 somebody out there that was powerful and tenacious, that was 453 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,400 trying to house them and probably kill them. 454 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,080 That's an interesting thing to have hanging over you when 455 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,800 you're a young man. Absolutely. 456 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,280 And again, we talked a little bit before about Makar as this 457 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,640 figure that really I think represents the fight against the 458 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,920 Black Fires. Makar is there for the 1st and 459 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,120 the third Black Fire rebellions, and it's entirely possible that 460 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,520 Makar's death is also connected to the Black Fires. 461 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,480 He dies in the peak uprising. The peaks are major supporters 462 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,800 of the Black Fires. So I have a feeling that was, if 463 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,040 not a formal Black Fire rebellion, some sort of proto 464 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,560 black fire rebellion. But they are they are they are 465 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,760 very much an an active threat. And Suja Harris is growing up 466 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,800 with this idea of to be a Targaryen in this era is to 467 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,320 fight the black fires. That is something that goes hand 468 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,120 in hand with being part of this dynasty. 469 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,800 His grandfather did it, his father did it. 470 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,240 And someday, against spoiler alert, it's going to be his job 471 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,520 as well to do it. We have things like Hagon being 472 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,480 defeated and killed while his son is still alive and they 473 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,640 dished immediately after his escape. 474 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,640 Bittersteel crowns him just openly. 475 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,840 Like they don't they hadn't regained their strength, they 476 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,240 hadn't re established themselves. 477 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,640 But they're like throwing that hand in the air immediately. 478 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,080 They we're not, we're not done here. 479 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,480 There's some uncertainty here as well with the Blackfyre family 480 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,960 too, right? Like we, we don't know who of 481 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,120 them was still alive and how big that family was. 482 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:10,760 It's potentially A reasonably big family, but it's also 483 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,200 potentially as thin as the Targaryens became a little bit 484 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,560 later. Yeah, it is. 485 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,560 It is confusing because we get, you know, there's the first two 486 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,160 sons of Damon. They obviously die on the red 487 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,360 grass field. There's Damon the younger, he's, 488 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,920 you know, arrested after the abortive second Black Fire 489 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,520 rebellion. And then we don't know what his 490 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,320 ultimate fate is. There's Hagan, who dies during 491 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,280 the third Black Fire rebellion. There's Amy's who we'll talk 492 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,120 about in in just a moment here. We don't get a sense of who the 493 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:41,760 other two sons of Damon were. And after that, the Blackfyre 494 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,560 family tree gets real spotty in terms of where everyone falls. 495 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,320 You know, we know about Damon the Third, who is Hagon's son, 496 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,400 but who Hagon's wife is, whether or not any of the other sons had 497 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,760 sons of their own, what Branch Maelis is going to come from, 498 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,480 how he's related to the Damon, his cousin that he kills. 499 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,800 These are all kind of open questions that I assume we will 500 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,640 get in future Tales of Duncan Egg or whatever the sequel will 501 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,360 be to Fire in Blood, but at this point it's kind of a big 502 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,720 question mark. It is. 503 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,800 But what we can say about the time period, even without 504 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,480 knowing, nearly all we could know about the black fires in 505 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,720 this era is Jaharis and the rest of this, his family would know 506 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,720 all of that stuff. These are, again, things that 507 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,520 wouldn't be hidden because the black fires weren't being shy. 508 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,400 They were very open about all this. 509 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,720 They were trumpeting their intentions. 510 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,960 So. All they wouldn't have. 511 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,720 Hidden Scions out there, I don't think, other than the ones that 512 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,840 were just really, really far down the ladder in that sense. 513 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,240 So he would know that he has these distant cousins. 514 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,680 Just and would have. Specific names and maybe even 515 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,440 hear about some of their deeds. Like, you know, eventually they 516 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,200 would have heard about Maelee's twisting his cousin's head off. 517 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,680 And like, what was the reaction of the Targaryen court to 518 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,280 something like that? Like, whoa, Like whoa. 519 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,560 I mean. You know, I, I kind of think, 520 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,520 you know, if they heard about that, maybe they're thinking, 521 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,920 oh, well, these black fires are more total themselves than they 522 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,360 are to us. You know, if they're, if they're 523 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,520 fighting themselves, then, but who cares as long as they're not 524 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,240 fighting us? You know, if they're squabbling 525 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,920 over who gets to lead their free company, great, fantastic, let 526 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,000 them. As long as they stay off 527 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,960 Westerossea shores, we don't really care. 528 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,880 Yeah, right. Yeah. 529 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,120 But this is this is very interesting for Jairus, though. 530 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,560 He's aware of all this. He knows it's a responsibility 531 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,560 of his family. And as he gets older, you know, 532 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,120 he's getting a little closer to the little higher in the line of 533 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:41,720 succession. Shall. 534 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,640 We say, but he also. As we mentioned at the 535 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,240 beginning, he doesn't really have the physical capability to 536 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,400 be a warrior himself. So how does those two, how do 537 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,640 those two things go together? How do they interact? 538 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,120 A boy, a Prince who wants to help his family with this 539 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120 problem that's been around for so long, yet he he can't really 540 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,720 do it with a sword, can he? No. 541 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,520 And it's, and it is an interesting question. 542 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,160 You know, I, I tend to think that he probably wasn't ever 543 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,880 formally trained as a knight, or if he was, it was much less so 544 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,280 than his brothers were. You know, we know that Prince 545 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,640 Duncan the Small is competing in tournaments. 546 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,440 We know that Prince Daron is going to be described as the 547 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,600 splendid soldier who lives for battle and tournament. 548 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,360 And maybe in that way, there's perhaps almost less pressure on 549 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,000 Jaharis to perform in that way because he's got these two 550 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,520 brothers on either side who can do that. 551 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,440 So, you know, and he's also not the oldest son. 552 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,040 So there may also be a lesser way where it's, you know, maybe 553 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,680 not quite as expected that Jaharis is going to take up that 554 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,040 mantle. Obviously, there's going to be 555 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,320 some level of expectation, Westerosis and martial 556 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,800 aristocracy. So you're going to expect that 557 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,080 your leaders are a male and B, can lead in war. 558 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,960 That's patriarchy is going to patriarchy. 559 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,400 But I think that perhaps there's less pressure on Jaharis because 560 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,560 he's not that eldest son. And on the flip side, he's 561 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,640 consistently described as clever. 562 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,920 And so I think maybe what Jaharis decided is I can't be a 563 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,880 warrior, but I can be a scholar. I can be someone who reads a 564 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,560 lot. I can be someone who has an 565 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,280 understanding of our world, of the history, of our world, of 566 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,280 the prophecies and our world of the supernatural. 567 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,480 And I can figure this out through text and literature what 568 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,200 my brothers can do on the battlefield. 569 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,720 Yeah, you're right about that. I don't think he would have too 570 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720 much pressure. He would want to participate in 571 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,560 the battlefield because it's just not only a thing that his 572 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,120 family would have sort of built into their ethos, but all of 573 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,440 Westeros, you know, young boys are supposed to learn to fight 574 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,200 with their swords and all that. There's maybe a little bit of 575 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,960 Bran here without the without the quite intense ability and 576 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,320 powers here. But but but definitely a little 577 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,240 shades of that for sure. We've also got some similarities 578 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,000 to certain pair of Lannister twins, don't we? 579 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,560 Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. 580 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,280 We know that Jaharis is said to be close to his sister Shara, 581 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,760 you know, the one that he will end up marrying. 582 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,000 And Yandel says that he loved his sister from a very early 583 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,320 age. Now, we don't get a lot of 584 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,840 detail as to what that meant. We know that Egan and Betha had 585 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,000 tried to separate them once it became obvious that they loved 586 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,760 each other. But without being too crude 587 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,400 about it, we don't get the same level of detail that we do about 588 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,520 young Jamie and Zercy's interactions. 589 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,000 And on a practical level, it's a lot. 590 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,680 I should say this. It means a lot more on a 591 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,720 physical and logistical level for Jamie and Cersei to be 592 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,040 separated than it does for Jaharis and Shara. 593 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,680 Jaharis and Shara can be housed at opposite ends of the Red 594 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,840 Keep. When Jamie and Cersei are 595 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,920 separated, they are living on what is the equivalent of 596 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,160 opposite sides of San Francisco like that. 597 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,960 That is the level that we're dealing with in terms of in 598 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:04,160 terms of distance here. So I think without knowing what 599 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,440 their interactions look like or what Aegon and Betha we're 600 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,400 seeing, I think there's clearly this development of affection 601 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,720 that will turn into love between these two siblings, but not 602 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,240 necessarily something that anyone knows is going to be that 603 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,720 in the future. Right, right. 604 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,520 It also isn't as unthinkable, you know, for for Targaryens to 605 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,920 do this. It's people are a little more, I 606 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,560 suppose, acclimated to this sort of behavior, even with the the 607 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,800 parents trying to separate them. And we should point out it's not 608 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,000 like this was the expectation even recently. 609 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,680 Let's look at look back a few generations or look up the 610 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,600 family tree. So we have their father and 611 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,320 mother were not both Targaryen. That was a Targaryen and a 612 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440 Blackwood. Go back to Makar, you have Makar 613 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,320 and Deanna Dane, not a Targaryen Targaryen pairing either. 614 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,040 Go back again and you have dare on the 2nd and you have Mariah 615 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,000 Martel. So that's again not an incest 616 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,560 pairing. You have to then one more. 617 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,040 You do have one Aegon the Unworthy and Nary so, but that's 618 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,400 a lot, right? So it wasn't the standard 619 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,600 anymore and it it it hadn't been for a while. 620 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,080 But you know, some people are traditionalists and obviously 621 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,600 it's not just about that, is it? There's there's a lot of other 622 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,760 reasons. I suppose it could be. 623 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,560 Well, and, and to be fair, I mean Egg mentions to Dunk, you 624 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,360 know, oh, my sister put a love potion in my drink once so that 625 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,400 I would marry her instead of my other sister. 626 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,440 So I think and and Dunk comments that it sounds so bizarre to 627 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,480 him, meaning Dunk for Egg to talk so casually about this. 628 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,280 But Dunk realizes Egg is a Targaryen, so this is natural to 629 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,680 him to talk about eventually going on to marry a sibling for 630 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,600 the Targaryens. Yes, it had not been common in 631 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,080 those prior immediate generations, but yes, this is 632 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,680 something that was very common within the family on a grand 633 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,000 scale. And again, I think there is a 634 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,880 way where Egg's marriage to Betha may have been breaking off 635 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,160 a marriage between Egg and one of his sisters. 636 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,320 Yeah, that's that's entirely possible. 637 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,960 What about the rest of his family? 638 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,440 There would have been the children of egg sisters and a 639 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,360 few other, you know, dangling branches that are not as well. 640 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,520 Known. What do we have to say about 641 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,239 that? Well, so we we know that we know 642 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,920 that Egg has these two sisters. Eamon says that they married and 643 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,960 had children. So I think it is extremely 644 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,600 likely, if not basically confirmed at this point that one 645 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,280 of them married into Housetharth. 646 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,480 And so Gay Harris would have presumably had some turf cousins 647 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,679 that he could visit, know about, interact with. 648 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,920 We don't know who Rael would have married or who her children 649 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,280 are. They're never mentioned. 650 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,880 So to the extent that they're out there or right, excuse me, I 651 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,800 don't know where they would have gone, but it's very possible 652 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,960 that Jay Harris would have interacted with them as well. 653 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,840 And then they obviously know their Uncle Amon because we know 654 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,640 the eggs daughter Rael will call Amon Uncle Maester. 655 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,000 So there's clearly this like like friendly familial 656 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,480 relationship with Amon. For a time during Make Ours 657 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,840 reign, Amon is working as maester for their brother Daron. 658 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,960 Again, I don't know if Daron was alive by this point, but it's 659 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,560 very possible that Amon was a physically close as well as a 660 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,680 personally close figure that they were interacting with on a 661 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,440 regular basis. And that's part of how he was so 662 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,160 knowledgeable about Daron's dreams and how much they 663 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,920 affected him, and which of course, got him involved in that 664 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,040 in its own way. And in 233, Jaharis's 665 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,920 grandfather Makar was killed in the aforementioned peak 666 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,360 uprising. And that caused a problem that 667 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,360 gave us a a great counsel, didn't it? 668 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,040 Well, it sure did. And that's because again, even 669 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,920 though the king had these four sons, by the time the king is 670 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,560 dead, it is wildly unclear what the succession should look like. 671 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,000 His oldest son is already dead and he's left only a daughter 672 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,680 who is simple minded. His second son is dead and he's 673 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,920 left a newborn son, this this infant baby. 674 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,920 And then you've got the third son, Eamon. 675 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,240 Again, he's been a maester for a number of years at this point. 676 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,920 He's obviously unmarried and has no children. 677 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,840 And then there's Egg, who is the only son that is Egg still 678 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,640 living and dynastically available and has married an 679 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,120 aristocrat and has, as you know, older sons of his own. 680 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:38,040 And yet at the same time, he's got this sort of quote UN quote, 681 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,240 half a peasant attitude about him. 682 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,520 So it's not automatic that he's going to get the throne beside 683 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,920 the fact that he's the youngest son. 684 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,560 And so the result is that there is a calling of a great council, 685 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,520 this gathering of as many Lords and ladies of the realm as there 686 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,600 possibly can be to acclaim a new king, to say who should be our 687 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,520 new ruler. And because Jaharis is Egg son, 688 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,160 because he's about 7 years old at this point, I think it's 689 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,440 entirely possible, if not probable, that Jaharis and his 690 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,680 brothers were there, that they would have been watching their 691 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,760 father at this, if they would have been watching these 692 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,760 proceedings and it would have been smart for Egg to bring 693 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,880 them. I mean, this is this is part of 694 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,960 his resume, so to speak. This is saying, look at me, I've 695 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,840 got heirs of my own. I've got these Princess that can 696 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,640 succeed after me. And so I think for young 697 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,600 Jaharis, again, put yourself in the mind of someone like Bran in 698 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,640 A Game of Thrones. They're about the same age. 699 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,320 They're seeing this off the first time. 700 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,440 And so Jaharis is seeing this assembly of the aristocracy of 701 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,960 Westeros, this gathering of power and prestige at Harrenhal 702 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:56,480 and just this absolutely massive show of feudal power and feudal 703 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,600 feudal power politics. And so it's interesting to think 704 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,400 about, you know, what does this mean to him? 705 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,040 What, what is he thinking as he's looking at this? 706 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,800 Is he thinking, look at this, the, the crown's vassals, 707 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,920 They're, they've got power, they've got real power, they've 708 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,840 got real retainers they're bringing with them. 709 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,480 They, they have in this moment the choice to say who is going 710 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,720 to be king. And those same vassals that have 711 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,320 the say today could say very differently tomorrow. 712 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,880 And it's a real show of for certainly the first time into 713 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,160 Harris's life and for one of the first times in the history of 714 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,000 House Targaryen, it's this real show of the Targaryens are not 715 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,240 absolute. They they can be replaced. 716 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,560 This is something that theoretically could happen in 717 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,240 the future. But not if they had Dragons, 718 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,280 right? That's another seed we plant 719 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,120 right here. But sticking with the Great 720 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,040 Council, where there were no Dragons to be found other than 721 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,320 the metaphorical ones, and also sticking with the example of 722 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,160 Bran, who in his first chapter witnesses an execution. 723 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,680 Now we don't know that Jerry's witnessed this execution, but 724 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,080 one of the contenders at the Great Council did meet that 725 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,880 fate. And that would have been a 726 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,480 lesson of sorts of a very similar type, wouldn't it? 727 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,000 Absolutely. So we know that Amy's Blackfyre, 728 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,440 who's this fifth son of Damon Blackfyre, comes over and says 729 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,040 I'm going to plead my case. And Bloodraven actually says, 730 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,200 yeah, I'll give you safe passage. 731 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,920 Absolutely. Come on over. 732 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,760 You can make your case to the assembled Lords and ladies of 733 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400 Westeros. And Amis does. 734 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,280 And immediately Bloodraven has him assassinated. 735 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,920 He literally has him killed once he lands in Westeros. 736 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,400 It's interesting to think what is Jaharis's reaction against 737 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,200 your point. I don't think Jaharis literally 738 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,720 saw this happen, but he certainly would have heard about 739 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,800 it. He certainly would have been 740 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,800 aware that this happened. And is he thinking, well, you 741 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,440 know, my grandfather fought the black fires, My father and my 742 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,320 uncle fought the black fires. And so now if there's a black 743 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,280 fire, well, we can't let him have the throne. 744 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,320 So is this OK? But at the same time. 745 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,400 What does this mean? You know, are the black fires so 746 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,640 dangerous a threat that we can't even just to beat them on the 747 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,640 battlefield if they so much as step foot in Westeros, even with 748 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,080 our say so we can kill them because they are that much of A 749 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,240 threat? Or, or is he thinking, you know, 750 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,640 in the future, thinking back on this moment that well, 751 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,560 Bloodraven had Amy's assassinated and it still didn't 752 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,280 work. There's still more blackfires 753 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,640 that came that you know, again, spoiler alert, there's going to 754 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,360 be 1/4 Blackfire rebellion pretty soon after this. 755 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,480 Susie Harris thinking back on this moment and thinking, well, 756 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,200 what good did that really do us if we can kill one of the sons 757 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,000 of Damon. And the black fires are still 758 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,720 pushing for this to happen, still pushing for their right to 759 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,680 the throne. So it's interesting to think 760 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,000 what would have been going through his mind then and then 761 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,840 reflecting on in the future. Certainly it would, especially 762 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,840 perhaps how it ended, which is that his father got chosen and 763 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,080 that's for an 8 year old. I don't know how he would take 764 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,960 that, but I think he would be happy. 765 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,200 I think it would be happy for his father and, and, and you 766 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,120 know, the way an 8 year old could and maybe very curious 767 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,800 about what would come next, maybe a little anxious also in 768 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,240 the way an 8 year old could be anxious. 769 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,920 And so he goes from all that to all that uncertainty, shall we 770 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,160 say, to being second in the line of succession. 771 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,800 And he has now gotten a demonstration of the power of 772 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,800 the crown and the power of the great Lords and even some of the 773 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,680 lesser Lords. And all that's culminating for 774 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,960 him very early in his life. What do we suppose that he 775 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,800 thought of his father becoming king? 776 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,800 I mean, I think to your point, it's this sudden, almost 777 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,320 literally overnight transformation. 778 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,640 Jaharis goes from the second son of the fourth son of the late 779 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,240 king to now Jaharis is second in line to the Iron Throne. 780 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,960 Again, he's not the heir in this moment, but he is a few 781 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,360 heartbeats away, and it's far from unprecedented, either in 782 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,280 the history of House Targaryen or in Westerosi dynasties more 783 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,960 generally, for a second son to become king. 784 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:25,720 That is not unusual whatsoever. So is Cahar's thinking in this 785 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:31,960 moment that I've become not just the son of a king, but I could 786 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,280 be myself king someday. Again, not because he certainly 787 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,720 wants to be king in this moment, but because he knows this could 788 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,760 happen. This is just a thing that could 789 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,880 happen is I am my father and older brothers heirs. 790 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,440 If they die, I become king. And again, I think to go back to 791 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,960 Bran and to some extent Rickon as well, they go through a 792 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,400 similar transformation. They go from Sons of the Lord of 793 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,680 Winterfell to all of a sudden they are new Princess of how 794 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,960 Stark, how Stark hasn't seen Princess in centuries. 795 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,240 And then all of a sudden they are it and they are Rob's heirs. 796 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,600 If anything happens to Rob, that's it. 797 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,000 They they become king in the North instead. 798 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,120 So I think it's this, on the one hand, this privilege and 799 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,560 excitement of becoming the son of a king, but also potentially 800 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,960 the sense of responsibility that now more is going to be expected 801 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,920 of you and potentially someday you could become king yourself. 802 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,240 Absolutely. And we can be very sure that 803 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,320 even if he didn't realize it on his own, he would have been 804 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,240 told, he would have been brought up to have this expectation that 805 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,320 this would be a possible outcome for his life. 806 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,160 Whether Yeah, like you said, there's a lot of ways he could 807 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,960 end up being king, even without anything too unlikely happening. 808 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,920 There was another problem going on in this era, however. 809 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,880 It wasn't happy times in the realm. 810 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,800 There wasn't necessarily a lot of war. 811 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,240 There was a little bit with that peak uprising there, and of 812 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,880 course the 4th Black Fire Rebellion was looming on the 813 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,680 horizon. But constantly, at all times was 814 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,400 this really bad winter. Because we had a long summer 815 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,680 during Makar's rain. And as we know, the farther the 816 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,160 pendulum swings one way, the farther it swings back the 817 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,800 other. So I think there was an 818 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,400 understanding that the winter would be several more years and 819 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,880 that the king that they chose would, that's the one of their 820 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,480 first problems they'd have to deal with and it wouldn't be 821 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,200 something that would end anytime soon. 822 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,960 Absolutely. I mean, Aziz, are you suggesting 823 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,600 that the winter that's here in the current books might be 824 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,240 really bad because we've had a really long summer? 825 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:39,000 It's almost like foreshadowing. Anyway, the no, I, I think 826 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,600 you're absolutely right. This is a winter that has 827 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,320 already lasted for three years and it doesn't show any signs of 828 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,000 slowing down or stopping. And of course, Darius is the 829 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,920 King's son, so he's not going to necessarily want himself. 830 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,600 He's not going to go hungry because again, he's he's the 831 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,240 King's son. It was very possible that egg 832 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,400 would have imposed restrictions on his family. 833 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,320 To say, I'm recognizing the suffering of my people. 834 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,040 I'm going to devote resources that would have gone to the 835 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,360 royal family to others throughout the realm, because I 836 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,960 know that the realm is suffering. 837 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,920 You know, we think about something like, you know, the, 838 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,200 the winter rations that Bowen Marsh recommends to John in a 839 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,160 dance with Dragon for the Nights Watch. 840 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,280 He's like, look, we're we need to go on winter rations because 841 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,720 we just don't have enough food to last as long of a winter as 842 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,880 we might have. So we're going to have to start 843 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,480 limiting all what we're doing because otherwise we're not 844 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,720 going to survive. And we do know from yeah. 845 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,520 No, that Aegon did what he could, especially to help the 846 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,480 North. And it's it's possible that part 847 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,720 of this and part of what Jaharis may have understood at this 848 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:46,280 moment is that Aegon isn't just being sympathetic to the North, 849 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,960 although he certainly is, but he's also thinking of the North 850 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,800 particularly as his kinsmen because he's married to Betha 851 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,040 Blackwood, who is a presumably sister or cousin of Melantha 852 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,560 Blackwood, who is the mother of Lord Edwile Stark. 853 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,200 So whether or not the Harris ever knew these possibly distant 854 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,160 Stark cousins of his, he certainly, I think, would have 855 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,880 been aware that he has these kinsmen via the Blackwoods in 856 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,400 the North. They are suffering and his 857 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,000 father is looking to help them. Yeah, he and his brothers would 858 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,720 have an unusually nuanced upbringing with regards to the 859 00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:33,480 old Gods having a mother who very likely was a follower of 860 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,600 them from birth. So that's pretty unusual within 861 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,960 House Targaryen and very noteworthy and pretty cool 862 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,640 actually. So there's, as we've been 863 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,000 building onto here, very gradually, there's a lot of 864 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,880 different things that were part of his upbringing in his his 865 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,080 education, some of them intentional, some of them not, 866 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,080 but a lot of them very meaningful. 867 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,160 The next chapter in that education was the looming 868 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,800 aforementioned 4th Black Fire Rebellion, which finally 869 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,320 happened and I suppose because Blood Raven was gone and maybe 870 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,040 there was an idea that Aegon wasn't so strong. 871 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,040 And of course the aforementioned winter I'm I'm using the word 872 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,040 aforementioned a lot. But hey, we're, we're talking 873 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,160 history that happens, right? And that's a big deal. 874 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,800 This could have been a big problem. 875 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,360 They may have expected that Blood Ravens murder of of a nice 876 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,920 got them some sympathy, but either way or whatever their 877 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,320 expectations actually were, they certainly did invade Damon the 878 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000 third Black Fire with Bitter Steel and the Golden Company and 879 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,800 the rest. What happened with Jaharis in 880 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,280 this year? We've talked about other 881 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,920 characters in this spot, but never so much this guy. 882 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,960 And it's interesting because, and this is something that I 883 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,400 almost forgot or or didn't realize until I was doing the 884 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,560 research for writing this episode, Jaharis was actually 885 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,160 there during the 4th Black Fire rebellion. 886 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,240 This is something where Yandel specifically mentions that the 887 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,840 king brought his sons to the battlefield. 888 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:03,600 Now I think it's it's very clear Harris is 11 at this point. 889 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,840 His brother Duncan probably isn't that much older. 890 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,240 And, you know, Darren's obviously younger, so they don't 891 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,200 think they're in the midst of the fighting actually picking up 892 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,000 a sword, especially given, you know, to Harris's physical 893 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000 frailty. But that's not really the point. 894 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,760 That's not why they're here. They're here, number one, so 895 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,120 that Agan the 5th can make a very clear statement both to his 896 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,440 own vassals as well as to the invading Blackfires and Golden 897 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,680 Company. He's saying, look at me, I am so 898 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,040 confident in victory. I am bringing my children to 899 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,840 this battlefield. I am bringing my heirs because I 900 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,400 had no doubt that they will be safe and I will succeed. 901 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,080 And he's also saying you don't get to claim this legacy of 902 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,480 Damon Blackfyre. One of the famous stories of 903 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,240 Damon Blackfyre is Damon bringing his twin sons to the 904 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,680 red grass field and how they're shot down by Blood Ravens 905 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,560 arrows. And Damon has to nobly stand 906 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,120 over them, according to the Blackfyres and take this reign 907 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,000 of arrows because he doesn't want to leave his son's side. 908 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,680 So I think Egg is sort of appropriating that a bit and 909 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,040 saying no, no, no, you're not the only one who can bring your 910 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,720 sons to a battlefield. We Targaryens have valor too. 911 00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:13,560 We bring our sons up in that as well. 912 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,240 I'm going to bring my sons to the battlefield too. 913 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,600 And of course, Egg himself had been on the battlefield with his 914 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,760 own father up. He was older of course, than 915 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,960 Daerys was, but he fought with Nakar in the third Blackfyre 916 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,120 Rebellion and at least according to a semi cannon source, he was 917 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,560 there at the uprising at Star Pike. 918 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,160 So I think Egg is thinking this is a great opportunity to start 919 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,880 my son's Marshall education. They're gonna have to be 920 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,000 blooded. They're gonna have to understand 921 00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,280 what it is to be on a battlefield. 922 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,920 They're gonna have to experience this. 923 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,280 You might as well start now. Right, yeah, it's a good 924 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,120 opportunity to learn and to see things like their enemies 925 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,200 tactics, getting used to what it feels like. 926 00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:00,720 The just the qualities of the tension and the anxiety and the 927 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,000 fear that are all around you and the noise and everything. 928 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,720 Just getting used to that. The horses and the the dirt and 929 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,080 the blood. There's a lot to get used to. 930 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,280 Having not experienced it myself, I couldn't speak to the 931 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,000 specifics, but I'm sure it's a lot. 932 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,520 We don't know exactly what he saw. 933 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,320 I wasn't exactly a long war, but if he was close enough, he might 934 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:25,440 have seen a prime example of a Kingsguard not for once being a 935 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,600 shield, but a sword. Do we think that he actually 936 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,280 actually could have witnessed Sir Duncan the Tall killing 937 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,680 Damon the Third in single combat? 938 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,480 It was that were they were saying they were not that close, 939 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,320 but maybe, maybe they were on a hill. 940 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,560 I don't know. It's possible, right? 941 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,040 I think I think it's possible at bare, bare, bare minimum, he 942 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:46,120 definitely would have heard about it. 943 00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,360 He would have heard this story because that would have been I 944 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,400 think the moment of this battle. You know, the idea that this 945 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,440 major figure, this literally larger than life figure on the 946 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,680 Kingsguard who's been the King's best friend for as long as 947 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,840 anyone can remember. And now he's doing the work to 948 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,560 slay the invading black fire pretender. 949 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,560 You almost can't write the story better than that. 950 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,440 So I think to Harris, if he he doesn't see it with his own 951 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,160 eyes, I think he definitely would have heard about it pretty 952 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,080 immediately after. And it's an interesting idea 953 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,560 that he will certainly revisit or think about later in life 954 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,240 when he himself has his own black fire rebellion. 955 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:32,520 And it's going to be another future stellar member of the 956 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,640 Kingsguard who is going to end the Black Fire pretender there. 957 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,240 Yeah, what a what a great example. 958 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:39,840 What a thing to see if he got to see it. 959 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,560 Also, no word on whether or not Sir Duncan slew Damon the Third 960 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,880 with his foot, but surely his foot helped. 961 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,240 He may have also seen bitter steel retreat. 962 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:53,560 That's unclear, but it's hard to miss like an entire enemy army 963 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,640 running away. So he would have seen to some 964 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,640 extent that. And with the Golden Company 965 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,080 banners being rather distinct, yeah, yeah, he might have. 966 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,680 He might have been able to spot his cousin. 967 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:05,680 Bitter steal. Yeah. 968 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,280 Cousin. Right. 969 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,000 That's he's not like a great uncle all. 970 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,360 I'm thinking of is now I'm all I'm thinking of is Bart versus 971 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,160 Australia where they're going to, they're going to give Damon 972 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,080 the third a booting. He got booted right off the 973 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,520 yeah, right off his horse and into the grave. 974 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,960 Oh, that's a that's a joke for my husband. 975 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,440 I'll appreciate. That dunk was definitely 976 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,640 speaking in an Australian accent when that went down. 977 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:30,720 So even if Jairus was isn't literally on or near that part 978 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,080 of the battlefield, he definitely would have seen a 979 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,560 lot. Amis would have seemed like a 980 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,280 vague figure. But this is just this. 981 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,920 Damon the 3rd is a different thing, right? 982 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,520 Like this is two different. You saw two opposite ends of the 983 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,280 black fire spectrum there, you could say maybe. 984 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,320 Absolutely. I mean, you know, it's, it's 985 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,360 easy perhaps for Jaharis to think of Amis as almost a 986 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,400 theoretical threat because he never really becomes a threat. 987 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,040 He never makes his grand speech. He never leads an army. 988 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,840 He shows up to be assassinated. It's not even clear if Jaharis 989 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,520 ever physically saw him, may have just heard of this 990 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,520 happening. Whereas Damon, the third Jaharis 991 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,000 would have seen him or at very least seen in his army. 992 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,920 He was there for this. So I think Jaharis would have 993 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,800 realized as he's on this battlefield, even as a young boy 994 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,160 assassinating Amy's, that did not stop this rebellion 995 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,360 happening. The way to stop the black fires 996 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,080 is on the battlefield. That's the way that you defeat 997 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,040 the black fires, and that's something that I think to Harris 998 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,680 is going to take with him when he himself becomes king. 999 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,640 So within the 1st 15 years of his life, he had witnessed truly 1000 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,000 monumental changes to his family, to his dynasty, things 1001 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,080 swinging back and forth and within the realm in terms of 1002 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,440 extreme weather. He had also seen his own 1003 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,640 fortunes change as far as his position within the dynasty and 1004 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:49,720 the line of succession. There were more changes to come 1005 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,200 later in his life, and some of them he would cause himself. 1006 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,240 You may be noticing A trend here that yes, this guy isn't going 1007 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,280 to be on the throne very long, but he didn't die young. 1008 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,480 He had a fairly full life before he became king. 1009 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,880 That's something that very much separates him from some of the 1010 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,640 other kings that had very short reigns is for the most part, 1011 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,440 those were people that were also younger. 1012 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,240 Not not say, Visceris the second, but Daron this Daron the 1013 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:16,560 First is a great example of that. 1014 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,960 Super young. His whole reign was, Yeah. 1015 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:20,440 What? By the time he was dead, by the 1016 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,200 time he was 20 or so, not so much. 1017 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,760 Jairus the second. No, absolutely. 1018 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,160 I mean he's he's the opposite spectrum of someone like an 1019 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,120 Aegon the Third. They die at roughly the same 1020 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,480 age, but Aegon the Third has been king since he was a young 1021 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:40,520 boy virtually his entire life. He is king, whereas someone like 1022 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,800 the Harris spends virtually his entire life not being king. 1023 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,120 It's only a very small portion of his life, relatively 1024 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,760 speaking, that he actually reigns. 1025 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,240 Yeah, I don't think anyone would call Aegon the Third fortunate 1026 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,440 either. Marriage, prophecy and Summer 1027 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,720 Hall. After Aegon the 5th became king, 1028 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,120 he began to institute sweeping changes to law and justice 1029 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,760 within the Seven Kingdoms. He was a lot more focused on the 1030 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,920 lower classes. So of course these changes were 1031 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,280 not popular with the nobility, their ancestral powers, which in 1032 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,800 their world have been held for really absurdly long times 1033 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,600 compared to our own lengths of time that we're we're working 1034 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,360 with in the real world. So they would just be that much 1035 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,000 more stubborn about holding on to what they considered their 1036 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,760 rights. So that was quite a situation 1037 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,160 for Aegon the 5th. And we see him doing some things 1038 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,880 like making advantageous marriages like the kings and 1039 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,960 Queens would often do, but it didn't really go the way he 1040 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,800 wanted. They had Joharis and his 1041 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,920 brothers, that is, his own family, as a role model and as 1042 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,200 an example. So it's not too surprising that 1043 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:58,040 after a while, these things started to break down. 1044 00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,840 But let's go into some detail here. 1045 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,640 In 237, Aegon the 5th and and Betha, Queen Betha arranged 1046 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,880 these betrothals and Jaharis's was to Celia Tully, daughter of 1047 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,720 the Lord of River Run. And what can we say about this? 1048 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,920 It's an interesting betrothal. You know, we don't know too, too 1049 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,360 much about this Celia Tolley. She may have been the daughter 1050 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,640 of the same Lord of River Run, who's the boy Lord of River Run 1051 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,160 when this one's word is taking place, but that's a little bit 1052 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,440 unclear. It's probable that she's maybe 1053 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,200 an aunt of Hoster and Brendan, so she would be great aunt to 1054 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,400 Catelyn and Liza and Ed Muir. But again, we don't exactly 1055 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,000 know. I think it's an interesting 1056 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,800 match and there's a clear, I think, political calculus to 1057 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,320 this. The Tolleys were never kings in 1058 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,840 their own right, even before the Conquest, but they had always 1059 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,440 been very powerful aristocrats within the Riverlands. 1060 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,240 And so this marriage between a daughter of House Tolle and a 1061 00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:58,920 son of House Targaryen is by all means very suitable. 1062 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,120 No one is going to look at this and think that Celia Tolle is 1063 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,560 too low ranking to marry a Targaryen. 1064 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,600 And in fact, it had been Aidan the Conqueror who had raised the 1065 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,320 Tolleys to be the paramount Lords in the Riverlands that had 1066 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,360 not been their position prior to the conquest. 1067 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,080 And so I think there's always been, if not quite spoken aloud, 1068 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,800 this bond between the Tulleys and the Crown. 1069 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,400 And so now Agan the 5th is strengthening this bond. 1070 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,240 He's saying, look, my ancestor, my namesake raised you up. 1071 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,240 And now I'm going to strengthen that bond. 1072 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,120 I'm going to underline our connection by uniting our 1073 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,640 families. And I think it's, it also goes 1074 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,560 to eight of the 5th's political goals. 1075 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,360 You know, what we hear about so much in the Sworn Sword and to 1076 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,560 some extent in the in the mystery night as well, is this 1077 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,160 breakdown of authority and especially breakdown of 1078 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,560 authority in the Riverlands. That's a, a major facet that 1079 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,360 we've learned about in in the sworn sword. 1080 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,800 So Bracken and Blackwood are almost coming to war. 1081 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,520 And spoiler, I think that's going to come in a future Duncan 1082 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,960 egg tale. And you know, we hear about Doug 1083 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,080 says, well, what's going to happen? 1084 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,120 Can't Lord Tolley do something and Sept and Sept and says, 1085 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,680 yeah, Lord Tolley's eight, He's not going to do anything about 1086 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,480 this, that this is there's no authority to govern the 1087 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,480 Blackwoods and the brackets here. 1088 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,280 They're just going to go to blows and it's going to it's 1089 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,800 going to spill blood. And we know that at this point, 1090 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,920 penny trees become a royal thief roughly around this time. 1091 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:37,760 So I think that by betrothing Jaharis to Celia Tully, it can 1092 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,480 isn't just emphasizing the Tullys and the Targaryens are 1093 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,680 connected. He is planting a branch of House 1094 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,360 Targaryen in the Riverlands to say, look, my royal authority, 1095 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,440 that's paramount. You, you don't trespass against 1096 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,520 the royal authority. You don't have the right to have 1097 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,760 these private wars and to spill the blood of your peasants for 1098 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,080 no reason. And I'm going to put my second 1099 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,800 son in the Riverlands so that you all are aware this is 1100 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,000 something, this is my presence here. 1101 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,320 I am watching over you. You need to understand royal 1102 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,480 authority is paramount. Yeah, that's a good point. 1103 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,160 It's really like a a soothing measure using your children, 1104 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,680 your your Princess and princesses to resolve 1105 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,520 difficulties within the realm. And I think that you make a very 1106 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,680 strong case there that it's exactly what was happening. 1107 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,440 So of course, we have to keep that in mind in reverse because 1108 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,160 this marriage isn't going to happen. 1109 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,920 We can see the reasoning behind it and why they would have been 1110 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,320 looking forward to it, maybe even counting on it. 1111 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,760 And of course, it raises their status. 1112 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,760 Regardless of any of these other considerations, becoming an in 1113 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,400 law of the Targaryens is a huge deal. 1114 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:48,160 But you know, plans don't always go the way they were planned, as 1115 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,880 they say, or as I just said myself and no one else ever has. 1116 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,840 That's right, Jeharis and Shara, it doesn't seem like it was A1 1117 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,000 sided thing, right? They were kind of of one mind 1118 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,280 about these betrothals not happening. 1119 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,280 They, they probably talked about it and and maybe schemed and 1120 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,600 planned and well, they got they, they succeeded whatever, 1121 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,600 whatever they did, right. That's absolutely right. 1122 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,200 I mean, we, we set up at the beginning, even from a young 1123 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,120 age, these two are very clearly drawn to each other. 1124 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,560 And we know that Egan and Betha recognized this and tried to 1125 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,400 separate it. But what Yandel says is that 1126 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,360 distance only seem to inflamed the mutual passion of Jaharis 1127 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,360 and Shira. So I think the two of them were 1128 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,360 very much of one mind. I think they were both very 1129 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,960 aware. We do not want these arranged 1130 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,880 betrothals to happen. We want to marry each other and 1131 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,640 so we are going to do what we believe is necessary to marry 1132 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,920 each other. And it doesn't really matter 1133 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,880 that our parents are arranged these betrothals for us. 1134 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,400 Very much the Jamie and Cersei vibes all over this one. 1135 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,960 As we said, they just, they just wouldn't, wouldn't, didn't obey 1136 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,800 the puppets, don't obey the puppet master, as we've seen 1137 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,960 explained a few times. So what? 1138 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,600 What else was going on besides love here or, or was there 1139 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,360 anything else going on besides love? 1140 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,760 And of course, the specific question that is perhaps the 1141 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,000 most tantalizing is was it at all related to prophecy or any 1142 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,000 sort of supernatural ideas or beliefs? 1143 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,680 I mean, you know, it's, it's such an interesting question 1144 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,520 because on the one hand, it could, it could just very simply 1145 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,240 be love. And Jordan Martin loves that 1146 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,840 theme. It's his favorite theme in the 1147 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,560 whole world, the human heart in conflict with itself. 1148 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,560 The idea of choosing between love and duty. 1149 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,040 He he demonstrates that again and again and again with 1150 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,120 character. So the idea of having the future 1151 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,080 to Harris the 2nd and his sister torn between the duty to marry 1152 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,520 these advantageous political fiancees that their parents have 1153 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,440 arranged for them and the love that they have for each other, 1154 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,560 that a tug of war between the two. 1155 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,800 That could very well be it. And that's an interesting story 1156 01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,600 in itself, especially as children all day love match that 1157 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,680 was made only for love and not for, you know, political 1158 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,080 advantage. And I so I don't want to say 1159 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,600 that oh, it there has to have been something else behind it. 1160 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,080 And I also don't think this is mutually exclusive either. 1161 01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,800 I think both can be true at the same time. 1162 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,720 And I do think it's interesting to consider, was there any 1163 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,360 element to this? Again, not mutually exclusive 1164 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,440 with the love, but the Caharis has in his mind by marrying my 1165 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,400 sister, this is going to be either the start of or the 1166 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,920 fulfillment of a supernatural or a prophetic legacy. 1167 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,640 I mean, we know that later down the line, Caharis is going to be 1168 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,280 very receptive to prophetic direction when it comes to the 1169 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,600 marriage of his own children. And we also know that Caharis 1170 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,000 seems like a very similar to an 80s like figure, someone that is 1171 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,000 clever but sickly, so clever but physically not imposing. 1172 01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,920 And so like Harris the 1st, is Caharis taking an interest in 1173 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,760 prophecy? Is he reading these arcade 1174 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,720 materials? Is he starting to think about, 1175 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,760 well, what is our future, supernaturally speaking, for 1176 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,000 House Targaryen? It's possible that as Chaharis 1177 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,560 is potentially doing this, as he's potentially thinking about 1178 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,760 prophecy, is he thinking about, I need to marry my sister 1179 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,800 because that's the way to bring back Dragons, or that's the way 1180 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,560 to fulfill a different prophecy? You know, I made the point back 1181 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,880 in the Bay lore, the blessed episodes, that the Dragons and 1182 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,520 the doctrine of exceptionalism are inextricable. 1183 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,640 You know, once you have the latter, you can't separate it 1184 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,200 from the former. And, you know, I made the point 1185 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,920 in that episode, I think Baylor saw the doctrine of 1186 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,320 exceptionalism as saying, oh, incestuous marriages were a 1187 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,080 heresy and that's why the gods took the Dragons away from us. 1188 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,800 But I think to Harris may have grown up believe in the 1189 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,600 opposite, that it's been almost a century by the time of his 1190 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,480 birth that the Dragons have been gone. 1191 01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,880 So is he looking at this and thinking, oh, wait, we abandoned 1192 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,560 incestuous marriages and that's the reason why we didn't have 1193 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,200 Dragons anymore. We should have kept marrying 1194 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,720 incestuously and then we could have gotten the Dragons back. 1195 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,360 But because we abandoned that, we don't have Dragons. 1196 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,880 Maybe. Certainly he's growing up in a 1197 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,800 court where Dragons and prophecy are more present than you might 1198 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,040 think. You know, Darrell the Drunken is 1199 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,000 dreaming of the return of Dragons. 1200 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,800 He may have even been doing this while Jaharis was alive. 1201 01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,920 Eris the verse is dead by the time Jaharis is born. 1202 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,240 But he himself was also reading about the return of Dragons in a 1203 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,480 prophecy. And Egg is also trying to bring 1204 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,600 Dragons back during the course of his reign. 1205 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,800 And so I think it's possible that, again, not mutually 1206 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,040 exclusively with love, Jaharis may have seen this marriage to 1207 01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,640 his sister as saying, by doing this, maybe I put the dynasty 1208 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,960 on, prophetically speaking, the right track. 1209 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,240 Maybe I'm going to get us back in line so that we can have the 1210 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,320 return of Dragons, so that we can fulfill some other prophetic 1211 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,640 end. I agree with that. 1212 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,800 And maybe just to add 1 little point here, I think that 1213 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,840 something about Jaharis the second will see that's a little 1214 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,680 more direct with his his engagement with the prophecy 1215 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:11,000 only when like perhaps Rhaegar was so truly engaged with it 1216 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,560 that it consumed them or that they believed in it that deep a 1217 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,240 level. I think in my head cannon, Egg 1218 01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,960 was never a true believer but someone that saw the 1219 01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,160 practicality of it. But of course, who knows what 1220 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,800 kind of person he became as an adult. 1221 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,200 That's just my maybe it was some of my own bias in there. 1222 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:32,760 But regardless of that, Jahari was extremely hands on with it 1223 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,320 in ways that other members of his family weren't. 1224 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:40,320 And we even have characters like Blood Raven who may have had 1225 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,040 something to say here and there. Even though Jairus wasn't around 1226 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,280 as an adult for Blood Raven, his influence would have been still 1227 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,880 there if it had been such a short period of time. 1228 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,680 So there's an enormous number of people that could have 1229 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,920 influenced him. Enormous amount of positive 1230 01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,280 vibes around it. Like people think, hey, this is 1231 01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:59,720 a good thing. This is what this is what we 1232 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,920 Targaryens are trying to do. And it's also a overarching 1233 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,240 theme of the post draconic era for them is just whether it's 1234 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,280 latching on to the faith or latching on to something like 1235 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:16,160 this like prophecies they're trying to get back to or a level 1236 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,360 of power that they had before or at least something resembling 1237 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,480 that. And the Dragons would be the 1238 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,520 best possible results of all that. 1239 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:28,160 But coming back to the realm of the more mundane, the natural 1240 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,280 rather than supernatural, the the politics here, oh boy, this 1241 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,040 was this caused a big problem, didn't it? 1242 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,560 It sure did, because you know to Harris is planning and 1243 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,200 eventually orchestrating this marriage to his sister, 1244 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:47,160 obviously with Sahara in on it. Immediately after his brother 1245 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,080 had also abandoned his politically advantageous 1246 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,360 betrothal for a marriage for love. 1247 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,880 Duncan had been betrothed to the daughter of Lionel Baratheon, 1248 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,240 and in 239. Instead he marries Jenny of Old 1249 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,520 Stones, a commoner from the Riverlands. 1250 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,640 And this is shocking. Not only that Duncan has married 1251 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:15,760 a commoner, but instead of giving her up he says fine I 1252 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,160 will abandoned my role as Crown Prince. 1253 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,320 I give it up. I do not want the throne 1254 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,080 anymore. I only want Jenny. 1255 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,240 You to Harris you can be heir now you can be Prince of 1256 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,320 Dragonstone because I would rather be married to Jenny. 1257 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:34,280 This is a bombshell politically speaking, because not only is 1258 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,640 Jaharis immediately made the heir to the Iron Throne, but now 1259 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,720 the crown has to manage the hurt feelings of Lionel Baratheon, 1260 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,240 which turned into a rebellion where Lionel declares himself a 1261 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,480 new Storm King. And this is a short, bloody 1262 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,320 rebellion that follows. According to Handel. 1263 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,520 Yes, the crown comes out on top, but it's not a good look for 1264 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,960 anyone. Egg eventually has to give his 1265 01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,480 younger daughter to Lionel's heir in order to assuage her 1266 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,960 feelings, and they're left with this legacy of the heir to the 1267 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:12,440 Iron Throne snubbing A Baratheon maiden to marry a commoner. 1268 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,280 That would have seemed unthinkable until it actually 1269 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,200 happened, but it it certainly did. 1270 01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,840 You're right. This is quite a a lot at once. 1271 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,399 There's these dynastic marriages, multiples of them 1272 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,840 falling apart. And while Jerry see how he he 1273 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,600 wouldn't have fought in the war, as we said, he wasn't really 1274 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,200 capable of that, but he may have been on the battlefield again. 1275 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,640 And even if he wasn't, he certainly would have been 1276 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,600 involved in both councils deciding the course of the war 1277 01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,319 and how to establish the peace and the all these negotiations 1278 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,240 and all that. That would be right up his alley 1279 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,920 regardless. What do we think his mindset was 1280 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,359 with regard to this? Do we think he was aware of the 1281 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,359 problem he would cause or that they would cause really and just 1282 01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:55,319 figured he could they could get away with it, It wouldn't be 1283 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:56,920 that bad. Or maybe they could make up for 1284 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,040 it later or something like that. I mean, at this point they knew 1285 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,000 they were going to be king and queen because like you said, 1286 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,120 their brother had already done his thing. 1287 01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,359 It already set aside the crown. So that's a huge change in it of 1288 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,439 itself, them being the the heirs. 1289 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,240 Maybe that's it. Maybe there's a little bit of, 1290 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,319 hey, once we're king and queen, we'll make up for all that. 1291 01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,720 Well, whatever harm we cause. What do you think was in their 1292 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:17,600 heads? It's. 1293 01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:21,240 Fascinating and you know, you, you, you wish we would have a 1294 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,439 POV or or something inside to Harris and Shara's head because 1295 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,840 this is a you know, very weighty moment for them because you're 1296 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,439 absolutely right. They would have been aware what 1297 01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:38,080 they're going to be doing is another bombshell because now 1298 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:43,240 they're insulting 2 aristocratic families by by marrying each 1299 01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:47,279 other. So Jaharis knows I'm going to be 1300 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,560 king after my brother. I will have my father and I will 1301 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,520 have to deal with this political fallout if I marry Shira. 1302 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:59,520 It's very possible that the Tullys and or Tyrells go to war 1303 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,520 over this and yet they do it anyway. 1304 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,880 They are fully aware of what could happen and they still go 1305 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,480 through with it. And again, I think part of it 1306 01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:15,240 may be that theme of favorite theme of George is, you know, 1307 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:20,000 the love versus duty that when it comes to love, characters 1308 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,880 will do anything and they will break any sort of duty they 1309 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,720 might have for the sake of other characters that they love. 1310 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,960 I think it it comes down to that, but I think also it in a 1311 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,920 practical sense, Jaharis may have been thinking well. 1312 01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,760 My case is different from that of Duncan. 1313 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,640 Duncan married a commoner. Shara is a Princess. 1314 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:46,600 So no one can say on a dynastic level that Shara is an insult 1315 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,800 compared to either Celia Tully or Luther Tyrell. 1316 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:56,600 I think also Jaharis may have thought, well, Egg wasn't 1317 01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:01,360 personally that hard on Duncan. He's he, you know, implored 1318 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,320 Duncan to give Jenny up. But once Duncan said, I'll I'll 1319 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,680 abdicate as Prince of Dragonstone, I will forswear my 1320 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,000 claim Egg let him keep him, let Duncan keep keep Jenny. 1321 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,240 And that's very different from something we see like Tywin with 1322 01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,200 Tyrion and Taisha. Tywin did not care that that 1323 01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,600 marriage had been consummated. Tywin did whatever Tywin did to 1324 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,240 make sure that that marriage was put aside. 1325 01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,280 So the fact that egg theoretically could have done 1326 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,680 something like that and didn't may have given some hope to 1327 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,040 Harrison sharer to say, well, dad, and hopefully won't be too 1328 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,120 mad at us. He won't be too hard on us 1329 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,440 because he wasn't that hard on Duncan. 1330 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,560 And I think that maybe he's, you know, he's thinking if we do 1331 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,200 this and we present it as sort of this say accompli marriage, 1332 01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:53,680 and we say we're in love and Shara is a Princess and we can 1333 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,720 be a good king and queen will accept it and the realm will 1334 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:01,080 accept it. Yeah, it it certainly was a risk 1335 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,560 and maybe I agree with you that maybe they thought the risk was 1336 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,520 was smaller than it turned out to be. 1337 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,720 But then of course, the other marriage didn't happen either. 1338 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,680 So Daron did not marry his bride to be, which was Olenna red 1339 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,760 wine, by the way. Y'all, that's a, that's a fun 1340 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:20,000 little trivia tidbit for you. So indeed it wasn't also not the 1341 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,200 first time either. There's a few examples in the 1342 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,120 past, aren't there, of Targaryen's pulling something 1343 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,680 like this, And one of them is particularly parallel, isn't it? 1344 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,680 It it is, and I think that as Jay Harris and Shara are doing 1345 01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:38,320 this, I cannot think that they were not themselves remembering 1346 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,280 the example of Jay Harris and Allison because it is almost a 1347 01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:44,800 perfect parallel. They are almost exactly the same 1348 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,800 age that Jay Harris and Allison were. 1349 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,240 Jay Harris and Allison were both, you know, betrothed or 1350 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,680 about to be betrothed to politically arrange fiancees. 1351 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,280 They both loved each other, loved each other from an early 1352 01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,800 age. And what did they do? 1353 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,480 They ran away together and eloped on Dragonstone. 1354 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,200 And I think that that's what Jaharis and Shara had in mind, 1355 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,880 that we are going to be the new Jaharis and Allison. 1356 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,360 And hey, they lasted and they became a great king and queen. 1357 01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,760 So why won't it work out for us? And they may have also been 1358 01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,600 thinking of. Well, after that, we see 1359 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,400 something like Rayna Targaryen. She marries Andrew Farman in 1360 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,640 secrets that she doesn't have to have a, you know, politically 1361 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,520 arranged marriage. We get Rainiera, she marries her 1362 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,080 uncle Damon shortly after they are both widowed or or become 1363 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,840 become a widower. We have Baila Targaryen, she 1364 01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:37,000 marries Alan Valerian because her half brother's counsel is 1365 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,800 trying to arrange a marriage for her. 1366 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,960 And so they may have been thinking, well, there have been 1367 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,520 on these other marriages, there have been these other examples. 1368 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,280 Let's just do that. If if we are truly in love, then 1369 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,520 let's do it. And we could look at the other 1370 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,920 side of this coin, but there's nothing there because we don't 1371 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,280 have an example. When a couple was separated like 1372 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,400 this and the separation was successful, they always got back 1373 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,240 together. Even when we're talking Jamie 1374 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,880 and Cersei, who were separated by, you know, a San Francisco 1375 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,200 amount of length there, it just took them longer. 1376 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:14,480 So they were 15 and and 14 as far as we know, and the year 240 1377 01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,720 when they got married and we don't know where though we 1378 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,080 don't. We were lacking some details. 1379 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,800 It it may have been kind of a a runaway thing like their 1380 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,040 namesake there or like one of their namesakes. 1381 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:27,240 It's not it's not Alice Ann again. 1382 01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,320 But hey, like you said, definitely a very strong chance 1383 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,640 they were influenced by that story and wanted to repeat their 1384 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,960 famous ancestors actions there given the similar circumstances. 1385 01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:39,960 So what do we basically think happened though as far as the 1386 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,840 getting married? Like the logistics of it? 1387 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,200 I mean, you know, it's to your point, we, we know basically 1388 01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,240 nothing other than it happened. I would like to think that this 1389 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,600 happened on Dragonstone not only because Taharis was now Prince 1390 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,920 of Dragonstone. So it would have been very 1391 01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,280 natural. If Taharis says I want to go to 1392 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,160 Dragonstone because that is my seat as Prince of Dragonstone, 1393 01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,000 no one's going to necessarily look at him and say that doesn't 1394 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,040 make any sense. And also, I suppose as a on a 1395 01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,880 practical level, it's somewhere that they can run away to that's 1396 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,080 relatively close to the Red Keep and yet far enough away that by 1397 01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,800 the time that news gets back, it's going to be too late for 1398 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,720 the king and queen. But we don't really know. 1399 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,280 It could have also been it just friend's home or castle. 1400 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,480 They could have just run away to someone who was sympathetic to 1401 01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,480 them and, you know, gotten married there. 1402 01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:28,120 We think of something like Rob and Jane Westerling. 1403 01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,760 They get married at the Craig because that's where Rob is and 1404 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,160 that's where, you know, he, he and Jane get together. 1405 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,800 So it, it's very possible it could have been somewhere else 1406 01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,920 as well. I, I think really the important 1407 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,920 point is they're going to need a septon and they're going to need 1408 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,040 witnesses. And as long as they have those 1409 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,400 things and the marriage is consummated, you know, by 1410 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,120 Westerosi standards, that's a merit. 1411 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,880 That's really not something that you're going to be able to 1412 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,560 successfully put away, at least not without a lot of effort. 1413 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,040 Agreed, they would definitely need to have some witnesses. 1414 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,240 That's something that matters one way or the other. 1415 01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,360 That would make sure that the elopement is successful. 1416 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,080 We don't get a full sense of the fallout from either the Tullys 1417 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,320 or the Tyrells. We obviously get plenty in the 1418 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,960 terms of the Baratheons. We do delve into some of it in 1419 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,800 our House Tully history episodes to check that out if you're 1420 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,840 interested. But this is something where 1421 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,040 there's a lot of room to imagine and guess that it certainly 1422 01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,720 affected things in the future. For example, the Tullys were 1423 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,760 very staunch throughout history. The first time they ever turned 1424 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,520 against House Targaryen was Robert Trebellion. 1425 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,960 So maybe this is part of what led to that. 1426 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,680 You think that's possible or even likely? 1427 01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,600 I I feel like I'm looking at that meme of the guy who sets up 1428 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,920 all the bricks and there's like the one brick at the beginning 1429 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,800 and it's like Harris runs away with his sister and the end 1430 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,280 brick is House totally replaces the Targaryens with. 1431 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,200 The Baratiens. It's a little bit of that, but I 1432 01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,480 do think, you know, could there be this is the beginning of her 1433 01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:55,760 feelings? Yes, absolutely. 1434 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,680 I think that, you know, we know obviously the king has no more 1435 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,440 children to give over like he did with the Baratheons. 1436 01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:04,960 We obviously would have had to do something. 1437 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,000 I'm going to assume it's a combination of making some sort 1438 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,920 of payments to them, giving them some sort of court functions, 1439 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:17,840 maybe giving over some additional lands, maybe marrying 1440 01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,280 them to extended members of the family. 1441 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,880 So again, we talk about the marriages of egg sisters. 1442 01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,360 It's possible that they would have married, you know, some of 1443 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,320 the tarts or some of raised children. 1444 01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:32,200 And I do think it's worth noting that Daron meets Jeremy Norwich, 1445 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:36,440 who's later appears to be his his partner when they're Squires 1446 01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:39,360 together at Highgarden. So I think it's possible that 1447 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,840 Daron was sent to Highgarden as a way of mollifying the 1448 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,120 Terrell's to say, look, we know that you were wrong by the 1449 01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,880 breaking of this betrothal. So here you can have Darren as a 1450 01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,200 Squire. He will live there. 1451 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,200 He will be raised by you. He will grow up, you know, 1452 01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,200 treating the Terrell's as sort of his brothers and sisters. 1453 01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,600 Jerry's and Shara would go on to have two children, Aries and 1454 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:10,240 2:44 and Rae Ella sometime between 2:45 and 2:47. 1455 01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,440 So there's a short range there, but we don't know exactly. 1456 01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,840 And it's certainly an interesting choice to name your 1457 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,080 child Aries, given what the previous Aries represented. 1458 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:23,160 And what has been an big theme with this episode is the the 1459 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,520 supernatural interest that Jaharius the Second had. 1460 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,560 I agree. I mean, I don't think it's 1461 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:34,480 coincidental that the first heiress who reigns in the 1462 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:38,360 history of Targaryen dynasty is this figure who is physically 1463 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:42,600 weak but intelligent and interested in sorcery and the 1464 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,960 arcane. And then a generation later or 1465 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,320 two generations later, the future Jaharis the second names 1466 01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,840 his son and the future King Aries. 1467 01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,360 I think he is definitely thinking about prophecy. 1468 01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:56,440 I think he's thinking about the supernatural. 1469 01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,600 I think Jaharis is thinking this is going to be someone who 1470 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,680 fulfills what the first Aries was doing. 1471 01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,040 Not just, you know, regularly, not just in terms of being the 1472 01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,960 next Aries in in regnal number, but also fulfills that in a 1473 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,880 prophetic sense that what Aries the first looked at, this is 1474 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,240 what the second Aries is going to do. 1475 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:20,400 So there's a decent amount of time here after Jaharius's and 1476 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:25,080 Cher's marriage, and that would have been part of their lives 1477 01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:30,000 during their father's reign here in 245, Rael married Ormond. 1478 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:34,000 That was, of course, the fallout from the little Laughing Storm 1479 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,880 rebellion there. He wasn't laughing during that, 1480 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:36,400 though. He was. 1481 01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,240 He was pretty mad. He was frowning during that. 1482 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,240 And do you think maybe there's a connection between this name 1483 01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,960 here? It's just Rael and Rael here. 1484 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,600 That might have been a connection. 1485 01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,080 I think that's that's very, very possible, if not probable. 1486 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,800 I mean, there's any number of rays and rayels in this era. 1487 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,000 So it could just be that this is just a common name in House 1488 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,400 Targaryen in this era. But the fact that Raela is born 1489 01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:03,280 right about the same time that Rael is getting married, I think 1490 01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,920 that may be a bit of a tribute by Jaharis to his sister. 1491 01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,040 Yeah, yeah, I believe that. And what about here in 247, when 1492 01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,400 he got to witness a certain coming out of a future famous 1493 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,560 night, didn't he? He he did you know, this is the 1494 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:22,160 the origin story of Barristan. Tell me so 247 Barrison attempts 1495 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,040 to joust against Prince Duncan at at Black Haven. 1496 01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,480 Barrison is a young boy. And Barrison himself, thinking 1497 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,880 back on it later, thinks, you know, I, I looked ridiculous. 1498 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,480 I was ridiculous. Someone should have just did you 1499 01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:37,920 know, taken me out of that. But instead they let me do it. 1500 01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,680 And of course, he fails almost immediately because he's just a 1501 01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,320 young boy and he's going up against an, an adult knight. 1502 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,440 But that's when you know, he, he gets his moniker, he's he's a 1503 01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:51,600 brave boy. And while Jairus probably wasn't 1504 01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:55,840 jousting, again, I don't think he was really trained in or, or 1505 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,720 formally knighted. I think it's very possible that 1506 01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,400 he was there as a spectator to support his brother, to be there 1507 01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,080 as a representative of House Targaryen. 1508 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:08,440 And I think that, you know, if he's seeing Barristan, Harris 1509 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,360 obviously doesn't know what's going to happen with Barrison in 1510 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,880 the future, But it's interesting for him to think many years 1511 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:20,040 later this this, you know, bold boy who's dousing when, you 1512 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,080 know, he's barely even Squire age and going up against my 1513 01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,240 brother. He's going to be the one to help 1514 01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,760 save How Stargarius. Yeah, it it does come around 1515 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,240 nicely. On the not so fun side for 1516 01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,480 Jairus and the rest of the family, there was a rebellion by 1517 01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:41,960 the mysterious Rat, Hawk and Pig, one of the most hard to 1518 01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,480 understand enemies of House Targaryen. 1519 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,160 It's really unclear who these people were, but they certainly 1520 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:48,520 did some damage. They did. 1521 01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:52,160 I mean, this is a uprising that we really don't get a lot of 1522 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,160 detail about. We do know that the Crown is 1523 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:58,400 victorious, but unfortunately Prince Daron is killed during 1524 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,200 this uprising. Again, I don't think Harris was 1525 01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,480 on the battlefield. It's possible he was, but I 1526 01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:05,560 don't tend to think he was there. 1527 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,440 He was the heir to the throne at this point, and he certainly 1528 01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:12,680 wasn't a physically imposing figure in the same way that his 1529 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,440 brother, who loved tournament and battle, was. 1530 01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,240 And we also don't get a sense of how close, personally, Daron and 1531 01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,760 Jaharis were. But it is interesting to think 1532 01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,520 about what Jaharis would have thought about Daron's death. 1533 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,640 I mean, Daron had followed his two brothers and saying, I don't 1534 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,880 want to have this politically advantageous betrothal, although 1535 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,960 he himself never married. He said, I I'm not marrying. 1536 01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,640 I'm going to spend my life as a warrior and with Jeremy Norris. 1537 01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:44,280 And so Jay Harris would have known that when Daron, when 1538 01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,600 Daron dies, that's it. There are no more brothers 1539 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,880 there. There are no more Princess of 1540 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,240 House Targaryen who are going to continue on the dynasty. 1541 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,800 His branch is it that that's who will be House Targaryen in the 1542 01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,040 future. It is just his line. 1543 01:22:58,440 --> 01:23:02,240 And I think also, Jay Harris may have been looking at Daron and 1544 01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,000 thinking, Darren dies a warrior's death. 1545 01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,640 He's 23 years old. He can always be remembered as 1546 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:13,200 this young, dashing Targaryen martyr, someone who dies 1547 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,240 fighting the enemies of the crown. 1548 01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:18,240 And Harris may be thinking, well, what's my future look 1549 01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,280 like? I, I, I will never have that 1550 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,400 future. So can I in a strange way, live 1551 01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:27,640 up to that? Can I, you know, if I ever fail 1552 01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,880 as king, if I'm ever not doing well as king, the natural 1553 01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,680 thought is going to be, well, you know, who would have done 1554 01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:33,600 better? Daron. 1555 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,240 Daron would have done better than this. 1556 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,920 Oh, but Daron died and now we've got you. 1557 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,800 And so I think that it's potentially to Harris thinking, 1558 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:46,040 well, I not only have to live up to that, but also maybe this is 1559 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:50,680 also confirming some ideas supernaturally that if Daron is 1560 01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,760 never going to have descendants and there's not going to be any 1561 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,280 dynastic descendants of Duncan, then it's my line. 1562 01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,600 If something's going to happen with House Targaryen, it's going 1563 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,480 to happen with my descendants. So maybe in a in a strange sort 1564 01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:06,440 of way, it's reemphasizing the importance of my descendants. 1565 01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:09,520 These are going to be the ones who bring back the Dragons or 1566 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,160 fulfill some sort of other prophecy. 1567 01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,000 Yeah, it really narrows it down even more. 1568 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,280 It's like, how else could this even happen through if it's 1569 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,200 going to happen for House Targaryen, well, it has to be 1570 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,720 our children, you know, even when that's confirmed later by 1571 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:26,680 seemingly confirmed later by a certain smallish person who we 1572 01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:30,600 will discuss in a moment. Also, given the Black Fire 1573 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,160 threat, you know it would have been nice for Jairus and Cher to 1574 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,200 have their brother Darren around to lead their armies and do all 1575 01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,120 that sort of thing, but alas, it was not to be. 1576 01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,720 And here are some of our Patreon supporters from the depths of 1577 01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,760 Flea Bottom. Lord Ken of House Hammer is 1578 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,000 declared for Queen Carey, Fire of the North, who recovered Dark 1579 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,760 Sister from beyond the wall. Our cell sword captains Hema 1580 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,920 Helmuth, captain of the Whispering Children. 1581 01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:58,000 Dead men tell no secrets. Shepherd, the Shepherd of Essos 1582 01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,560 all. Men are sheep before the 1583 01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,160 shepherd, heir to the whispering children. 1584 01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,600 Lady Lajar Adagio, the Iron Lily, Master Archer, Castellan 1585 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,240 of the Summer Island Keep, Arboreal Point, Captain of the 1586 01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,040 all female whaling widows, women and children. 1587 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,640 First Lord Brandon Brewer of Castle Blackroon, Captain of the 1588 01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,800 Shadow Wolves. Our steel is cold, our vengeance 1589 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,760 colder. Master Malachi, forgotten dragon 1590 01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,280 seed from the Isle of Driftmark, now in service to House Harlow. 1591 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,240 Stives, the White captain of the Hopeful Patriots, A band of 1592 01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,880 exile nights. The world ends when hope dies. 1593 01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,760 Our Ironborn captains. Black Mattos, Storm Rider, 1594 01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,520 captain of the Rusted Hinge. Lord Chucklaws, captain of the 1595 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,000 Drome on Nightblood. Destroyer of evil. 1596 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,560 Eileen Archer, Queen, Captain of the Border Collie. 1597 01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,720 Catherine the Cruel, Captain of the Kraken's Claw. 1598 01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:55,280 Lana Del Rely, Death Dreamer, Captain of the Cyclopean Call. 1599 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,840 Nadia Storm, Mother of Worms and Wyverns, Captain of the Stygian 1600 01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:04,080 Darkness, Har, a dark charm known as Lady Bad Luck, captain 1601 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,560 of the Black Cat and Prowler of the Seas. 1602 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,040 Lydia the Drowner, AKA Lydia the Kraken, captain of Green Smile, 1603 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,360 a long ship decorated with the rotting skulls of dead foes. 1604 01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:18,040 And your secret Targaryen Captain of Boricua Machateros. 1605 01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,440 One event that we don't have a specific date for, not even that 1606 01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:25,800 much of A range for, is the prophecy of the future Ghost of 1607 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,640 High Heart. What we're told by Yandel is 1608 01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,360 that Jenny of Old Stones was accompanied by to court by a 1609 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,280 dwarfish Albina woman who was reputed to be a woods witch in 1610 01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,080 the Riverlands. In some ways it's kind of 1611 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,800 unbelievable that any of this mattered, that this was advice 1612 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,760 that they took. But the Ghost of High Heart has 1613 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,400 the ability to prove herself very easily and quickly, so it's 1614 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,800 not hard in that sense to believe she's convincing. 1615 01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:51,240 And and I think that, you know, there may be this sort of almost 1616 01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,400 mystique, I guess for for lack of a better term, in terms of 1617 01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:58,240 having this woodswitch because we hear about Jenny. 1618 01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:00,320 Jenny's obviously a comma from the Riverlands. 1619 01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,280 But Jenny herself is saying, well, actually, I'm a descendant 1620 01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,120 of the the first men, kings of the Riverlands. 1621 01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,240 And even in her own time, she's thought of as this sort of half 1622 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,520 wild girl who's sort of living alone mysteriously. 1623 01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,560 So I think when Jenny brings the ghost of high heart to court, 1624 01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:22,360 it's it's really just sort of part of that appearance and aura 1625 01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,720 and mystique about Jenny herself. 1626 01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:29,080 And that, well, if you're going to be this mysterious descendant 1627 01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,040 of the kings of the first men, this sort of ancient time of 1628 01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,880 heroes, well, of course, you'd have your own prophet with you 1629 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,960 who who herself looks sort of supernatural and and to your 1630 01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,240 point, can prove what she's dreaming about. 1631 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,080 You know there are. The credentials are there for 1632 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,920 her. It almost validates Duncan and 1633 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,000 Jenny. They're like, well, you, we 1634 01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,000 don't need to have kids. It's going to be your kids that 1635 01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:48,360 right? Yeah, that's it. 1636 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,720 But why would he listen to her in the 1st place? 1637 01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,880 This isn't other than her ability to predict things that 1638 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,840 we said like she does in the books. 1639 01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:04,640 These are still not far ranging grand things on this scheme, I 1640 01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,600 suppose. I would guess that maybe he 1641 01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,960 needed some more convincing. Or was he maybe just that into 1642 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,520 it that he was ready to believe he was being told what he wanted 1643 01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:13,960 to hear? Something along those lines. 1644 01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,440 I mean, I think it's sort of meeting in the middle. 1645 01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,960 I think it's, it's someone who has genuine prophetic ability 1646 01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,560 meeting someone who genuinely wants to believe in prophecy and 1647 01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,560 is living in a court where the prophecy and the supernatural 1648 01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,440 are very much out in the present. 1649 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,440 And so the idea that I again, I do very much believe that at 1650 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:38,200 this point to Harris is interested in prophecy, is 1651 01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,800 interested in the return of Dragons, is interested in 1652 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,960 fulfilling the supernatural destiny of House Targaryen. 1653 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:50,240 I think it's very possible that Gaharis is meeting the ghost of 1654 01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,600 high heart and thinking, well, this just confirms it. 1655 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,920 Of course, I mean, if if she's saying it and she's a genuine 1656 01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:01,280 real, for real Seer that that makes sense that that fits with 1657 01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,240 everything. Because I've been reading about 1658 01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,920 it, I've been hearing about it. My great uncle was prophesying 1659 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,120 about it. My uncle was dreaming about it. 1660 01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,520 And now we've got a woman talking about it. 1661 01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:15,440 So the idea that now he's hearing the ghost of high hearts 1662 01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:18,560 say the Princess that was promised is going to be born of 1663 01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:22,360 Heiress and Rayela's line, I think Heiress is thinking, yeah, 1664 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,920 that adds up because Dragons are supposed to be hatching. 1665 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,120 We've all, you know, so many members of the family have 1666 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,520 foreseen this happening, dreamed about it happening, right about 1667 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,960 it happening. And that Prince that was 1668 01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,360 promised is going to need Dragons. 1669 01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,000 So yeah, that all adds up 123. Yeah, and it kind of does, 1670 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:41,640 doesn't it? You? 1671 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,480 At least you can see from their perspective why it would. 1672 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,880 But what would they be thinking in that moment, hearing that it 1673 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,840 was their descendants that would fulfill this destiny? 1674 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,240 Do you think that gave them a sense of pride or of duty? 1675 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,440 Or was it just something like you said? 1676 01:29:54,440 --> 01:29:56,240 They were kind of already expecting it. 1677 01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,920 They'd already maybe figured a lot of it out, and this was more 1678 01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,320 of a confirmation than a revelation. 1679 01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,760 You know, I think that it's an interesting question because on 1680 01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,000 the one hand, I think you have this idea of potential 1681 01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,480 excitement because how would you not be excited if you're 1682 01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:16,960 thinking that a hero who has been prophesied for thousands of 1683 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:22,000 years since the time of Valyria is going to be born potentially 1684 01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,600 in the next generation? That's incredibly exciting. 1685 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,520 You're living in your own new age of heroes. 1686 01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,280 How could you not look forward to that? 1687 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:36,120 And yet at the same time is Jaharis thinking, well, this is 1688 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:41,760 kind of a big burden on me because now not only am I going 1689 01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:47,520 to have to be king someday, but now my potential grandson 1690 01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:56,960 grandson is, is going to be the apocalyptic savior of the world. 1691 01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,600 Like that's not just being raised to be Lord of the Seven 1692 01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:05,760 Kingdoms, that's being raised to literally save the world. 1693 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,480 And I have to arrange that. Like I have to make that happen. 1694 01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:14,360 I have to make sure that that happens, because if I don't, the 1695 01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,000 world ends. No pressure. 1696 01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,120 Betty, I don't know how you process that. 1697 01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:20,680 Right. Just OK, Yeah. 1698 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,800 OK. So yeah, we can handle that. 1699 01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:23,640 Right? Whoa. 1700 01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,760 Yeah. And it's also really interesting 1701 01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,160 to compare the scenarios that happen fairly close together or 1702 01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:32,240 maybe happen close together. This did probably happen before 1703 01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:35,960 Summerhall, almost certainly, but it also shows a different 1704 01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,200 approach. This also doesn't seem to 1705 01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,960 necessarily connect to the events of Summerhall. 1706 01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,520 Maybe the thinking behind it, but not the process. 1707 01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,600 And what I think might be at work here is not only did 1708 01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,000 Jaharis and Shara differ from their parents on marriage 1709 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:56,400 strategy and, and the importance of perhaps traditional marriage 1710 01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,120 in this sense for what it means to Targaryens, but in how they 1711 01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,320 interpret the prophecy, things like that. 1712 01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,440 There might have been a difference, a substantial 1713 01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:08,080 difference in what Aegon the 5th believed was the way to bring 1714 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,880 Dragons back in the world versus what Jaharis believed. 1715 01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:16,680 And that could explain a bit more of why they didn't seem to 1716 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:20,000 be turned off by the pursuit, even after Summer Hall. 1717 01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,720 You might think that would slow them down a little bit, but it 1718 01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,560 didn't really did it. When the fate of the world is on 1719 01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,840 the line, are you going to be stopped by a little thing like, 1720 01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,360 you know, a big fire? Everyone dying. 1721 01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,200 No, that's not a problem. We're there already. 1722 01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,200 Hey, everyone's going to die if we don't do this. 1723 01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:42,520 So it's, you know, it's why not? So what do we think as well 1724 01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:46,720 about the revelation that Aries and Rael had to marry? 1725 01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:48,160 Do you think that was probably just no big deal? 1726 01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,160 They did it themselves. They were kind of already like 1727 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:54,560 that, but maybe Aries and Raela weren't so thrilled about it. 1728 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,400 They may have had to have some convincing, you know, like 1729 01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:01,040 neither Aries and Raela later in life seemed to, from what we 1730 01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:05,320 know, be like prophecy people, you know, I mean, Aries was had 1731 01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,200 all sorts of other problems, but it didn't seem to be a prophecy 1732 01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,040 guy, didn't seem to be a big area supernatural guy. 1733 01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:14,120 So I'm not sure that. They they were behind the 1734 01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:15,880 reasons. For their own marriage. 1735 01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,720 What do you think? Well, and I mean that's that's 1736 01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,320 the thing, which again comes into the love versus duty in the 1737 01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,600 human heart and conflict with itself that I think Dorjar 1738 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,960 Martin loves exploring here. This is a couple to Harris and 1739 01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,560 Shira who have married for love. Like no question whether or not 1740 01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,800 there was any additional supernatural element to it. 1741 01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,400 They have married for love in defiance of their parents 1742 01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,240 wishes. And now Jay Harris and 1743 01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,400 presumably to some extent Sarah as well, are telling their own 1744 01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,840 children, you don't get to marry for love. 1745 01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:49,360 You, you in fact, you have no choice in who you're going to 1746 01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,400 marry. You're going to marry each 1747 01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,360 other. You don't like it too bad. 1748 01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:57,240 That's what's going to happen. And so there's a way in which I 1749 01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:01,000 think, and you know, to some extent validly, this this is 1750 01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,200 hypocritical on on its face. This is them saying, yeah, we 1751 01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:05,640 don't really care that we married for love. 1752 01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:09,000 You're going to do as we say. And I wonder to what extent did 1753 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:12,400 you Harris Russell with that? Did he think about is it fair 1754 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,680 for me to do this? Is it right for me to do this? 1755 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,520 So is he thinking it doesn't matter because this is what 1756 01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,120 prophecy demands. This is this is what I have to 1757 01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,840 do it again. If the fate of the world is on 1758 01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:28,240 the line, are you going to get a little thing like love in the 1759 01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,240 way? No, you're not going to do that. 1760 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,320 You're going potentially, according to Harris, you're 1761 01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,640 going to say it doesn't matter. I'm going to tell you to do 1762 01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:38,720 whatever you need to do because if you don't, the world's going 1763 01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,800 to end. And I, you know, to what extent 1764 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,320 Eris and Rayela appreciated that or thought about that or agreed 1765 01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,480 with that, we don't know. I agree with you. 1766 01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:50,680 I don't think they have a lot of interest in prophecy, at least 1767 01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,760 from the little that we know. They certainly don't seem to 1768 01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,040 have been interested in each other because that's, you know, 1769 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,960 Barristan is very clear with Danny about that, that they did 1770 01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:02,200 not wish to marry each other. But I don't think Gaharis cared. 1771 01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:06,120 I think Gaharis thought that kind of thought is secondary if 1772 01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:10,120 the question is the apocalyptic savior of the world. 1773 01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,560 Yeah, I think it's a a tough thing to have to manage, even 1774 01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,600 even though as you said it, it comes off as very hypocritical. 1775 01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:20,000 But it is what it is and that's what happened and they had to go 1776 01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,320 along with it. It wasn't like Aegon the 5th and 1777 01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:27,000 and Beth aware they caved. This is a a forced marriage that 1778 01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,160 definitely went through. There was no eloping or anything 1779 01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,480 like that. And Aegon himself was still 1780 01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:34,320 alive at this point. This is before, of course, 1781 01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,400 Summer Hall. So he was alive and he was not 1782 01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:39,200 happy with this. He did not like it, but he not 1783 01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,080 only had he gone along with it for his own kids, he went along 1784 01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,000 with it for his grandkids. So that sort of tracks. 1785 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,680 I suppose he's not going to protest the the second one so 1786 01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:49,120 much if he let the first one happen. 1787 01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:53,240 I guess that. He believed that the Targaryen 1788 01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,080 incestuous marriages did more harm than good. 1789 01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:59,440 But maybe he was, like we said, open to other possibilities and 1790 01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:01,280 maybe some of this was related to prophecy. 1791 01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:05,760 It is kind of interesting to note how, yeah, Eris and Raela 1792 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,520 don't seem to have had prophecy interest, but obviously Rhaegar 1793 01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:10,440 did. And obviously Daenerys is the 1794 01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:14,440 the person that it's all spoken of or about. 1795 01:36:14,440 --> 01:36:18,000 So she's living it. It does mean that there would 1796 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,080 have been a nice connection between them. 1797 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,320 Jahari's, Rhaegar and Danny, they could have all had some 1798 01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,920 nice conversations, you know? It, it really is. 1799 01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,160 It really is too bad that Danny never knew her grandfather. 1800 01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,440 I think they could have had some very interesting conversations. 1801 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:36,760 Yeah, and I think we might not even get her grilling of 1802 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,120 embarrassing about it. Like that dude may not live long 1803 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,360 enough to tell her the things that she put off. 1804 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,000 She why did she put it off? Do you know? 1805 01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,160 That's the thing here. Joe Harris is like the I 1806 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,760 mentioned I made the the metaphor that he's like the red 1807 01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,880 comet of Targaryen kings, but he's also like George's 1808 01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:54,760 interruption method where he's explaining some supernatural 1809 01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:57,280 lore and then someone interrupts it and we don't get the end of 1810 01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:58,880 it. This was his life was like that. 1811 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,040 This dude was all about the supernatural and then he just 1812 01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,160 dies. Yeah. 1813 01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:03,880 All right. Before he could get that deep 1814 01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:07,200 into it. So, yeah, you said it pretty 1815 01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:10,200 well here that Eggs Rain had a lot of frustrations. 1816 01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,480 Both in what he was trying to do politically and what he was 1817 01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:16,160 trying to do with his family, who really did not help his 1818 01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:19,760 political goals at all, given not just because of the breaking 1819 01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,120 of the betrothals, but for some other reasons as well. 1820 01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:26,600 I think by, you know, the late, you know, mid late two 50s, I 1821 01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,840 think, I guess just tired. I honestly I I think he's just 1822 01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,360 tired. He's getting middle age, if not 1823 01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,000 even, you know, close to old by Westerosi standards. 1824 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,400 He came to the throne probably very idealistic, very much 1825 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,040 thinking. Look at all these reforms. 1826 01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,520 I'm going to make I'm going to make life better for everyone. 1827 01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,160 I'm going to bring justice to everyone in Westeros. 1828 01:37:45,480 --> 01:37:49,360 And what has he found? Pushback argument, rebellion, 1829 01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:52,400 fighting even from his own children. 1830 01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,040 He can't get them to do what he wants. 1831 01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:58,720 And so by, you know, 20 odd years later, I think he's just 1832 01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,120 tired. I think he thinks I'm done 1833 01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,040 fighting. I, I can't, I can't pick so many 1834 01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:06,400 battles anymore. The battle I want to pick at 1835 01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,160 this point is Dragons. Like if, if I can get Dragons, 1836 01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:13,200 if I can just do that. Fine, Jaharis, you want your 1837 01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,240 children married? Fine, fine. 1838 01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:18,640 I won't argue as long as I can get Dragons, as long as I can 1839 01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,880 get this moving, because that's the thing that will make all of 1840 01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,280 this make sense. I think that's Daniel. 1841 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:26,280 Only what was in Aiken's mind. I agree, and I think that we 1842 01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:27,600 have to look at this like a family. 1843 01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,160 These aren't 2 ideological differences playing out at a 1844 01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,920 distance. These are arguments played out 1845 01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:37,080 at a dinner table, right? These are things that they would 1846 01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,520 have, like you said, he might have gotten tired of because 1847 01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,840 Jaharius would have been very sure of himself. 1848 01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,240 It's what he comes off as, very sure of himself on these things. 1849 01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,840 And perhaps Shara was as well. So he might have been getting 1850 01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:52,600 double teamed by his children here over what they believed the 1851 01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,080 proper steps to take here was with regards to the 1852 01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:56,720 supernatural, with regards to prophecies. 1853 01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,600 And he may not have been so interested in any of it. 1854 01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,840 He may have been very opposed to some of their ideas. 1855 01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:06,560 It's hard to say, but it does seem that there were disputes 1856 01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,520 beyond the fallout from the betrothals. 1857 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,640 It seems like there were some other troubles at home, shall we 1858 01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:16,800 say. And this might in fact be why 1859 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,760 Aries and Rayella weren't that interested in prophecy. 1860 01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:20,920 They grew up hearing people argue about it all the time. 1861 01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:22,920 They might have been quite sick of it by the time they got 1862 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:26,120 older. Like man, father and grandfather 1863 01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,320 would just go at it over that. I'm so over it. 1864 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,720 And Rhaegar's like, what? I'm so interested in this 1865 01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,480 because he wasn't. He didn't have to grow up with 1866 01:39:33,480 --> 01:39:37,520 any of that. He only grew up in a, you know, 1867 01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:41,160 in a, in a fire, you know, having been born in a cataclysm. 1868 01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,000 That's a bit of a different thing, huh? 1869 01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:45,320 It's not exactly clear when Aries and Ray all are married, 1870 01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:49,520 but it was before Summerhall and they weren't exactly very old. 1871 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,360 So the the window is pretty narrow. 1872 01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:55,000 It was around 258, Summerhall being the the next year. 1873 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:58,360 So either way, that's pretty young. 1874 01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,880 But on the other hand, the dynasty is thin at this point. 1875 01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:03,440 You can understand why they were maybe. 1876 01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,000 Pushing it, And they may have been literally pushing it 1877 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,920 because as we said, it doesn't seem like Aaron Arias and Rayla 1878 01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:12,080 wanted this, so they weren't exactly jumping into bed eagerly 1879 01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,080 here. So yeah, it's a lot of pressure. 1880 01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:15,520 No, I, I absolutely agree with you. 1881 01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:19,240 I mean, this is and I think it's, it's hard, at least at 1882 01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,960 least for me. It's hard for me not to feel, 1883 01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:26,600 you know, the sense of anger or resentment against De Harris 1884 01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:30,840 because Rayla is so very young. Why are you pushing her into 1885 01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,160 this, this young? It doesn't make sense. 1886 01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,800 I I think the only potential explanation, which is not a 1887 01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:41,480 justification, is that the Harris genuinely believes I need 1888 01:40:41,480 --> 01:40:43,840 to get this going. I need to get the Prince that 1889 01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,040 was promised going because clearly if this is being 1890 01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:51,520 prophesied, but as the descendant of Heiress and Raela, 1891 01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,320 that means potentially the apocalypse is nigh. 1892 01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:58,360 Like it is coming soon. And I need to get this going 1893 01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:02,680 because we can't have a baby being the leader of the world 1894 01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:06,040 during an apocalyptic crisis. So Rayla, you got to you got to 1895 01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:08,080 get this going. But whatever, you know, 1896 01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,760 explanation to Harris used again, Rayla is extremely young, 1897 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,400 even by Westerosi standards to be pregnant and giving birth to 1898 01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,840 her first child. So it, it's, you know, I, I 1899 01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:22,200 think there is a, a sense of, of callousness on Jaharris's part. 1900 01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:25,080 And, you know, maybe in the kindest reading, which is, 1901 01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:29,440 again, not particularly kind in my in my feeling, we see him as 1902 01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:35,680 someone perhaps like a radar who is marrying Elia and having 1903 01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,680 multiple children. It's despite the fact that it's, 1904 01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,640 you know, extremely difficult for Elliot after her first child 1905 01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:46,080 because Rhaegar believes I need these children. 1906 01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,200 And if I've been prophesied to have them, then it'll be fine. 1907 01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:50,680 Yeah. And clearly everything should be 1908 01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:52,400 fine if I've been prophesied to have one. 1909 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,920 So, you know, get to it. I think that may have been 1910 01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:57,440 something similar to Harris's mind. 1911 01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,800 Not a justification for me, but that I think is what is what 1912 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,080 he's saying. Yeah, I agree. 1913 01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,200 I think that's very likely. And I think there's a bit of 1914 01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:08,680 arrogance in that because, yes, he believes sincerely that the 1915 01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:10,960 Prince, the Prince that has promised that we born of their 1916 01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,120 life. I said Princess because that's 1917 01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:14,920 who it turned out to be. But there's no reason to rush it 1918 01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,320 if it's going to happen, you know why take the chance of 1919 01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:22,440 screwing it up by having your daughter pregnant too young? 1920 01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,280 It's very much rogue Arbaratheon and Alyssa Valerian again, but 1921 01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,240 in reverse. She was too old for it. 1922 01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:31,360 Same concept though. Or the TV shows version of 1923 01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,520 Viserys and Emma. So it's a theme that's been used 1924 01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:36,760 a few times. The pushing of the prophecy too 1925 01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:42,920 much and perhaps overconfidence bordering into zealotry. 1926 01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,400 Or maybe that word is too strong. 1927 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,520 Maybe, maybe arrogance is is a better word to settle on. 1928 01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,400 Because yeah, it doesn't happen to, it doesn't have to happen in 1929 01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:54,160 their lifetime. It it just has to happen at the 1930 01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,640 end of Aegon the 5th reign, the end, meaning the end in flame, 1931 01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,000 the Blackfires rose again to become a threat. 1932 01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,800 They took advantage of what they thought was an opportunity, and 1933 01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,480 I guess it kind of was an opportunity. 1934 01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:08,600 Not as much of one as they hoped, but certainly it was a 1935 01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,240 close run thing, as we're told. Absolutely. 1936 01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:14,840 I mean, we hear about the this band of nine who's gathering in 1937 01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:16,960 the Free Cities. Maelis Blackfire is the 1938 01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:20,120 representative and this point presumably the last member, last 1939 01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,440 male line member anyway, of Black Fires. 1940 01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:25,880 And he's gathering with these other adventurers, for lack of a 1941 01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:28,120 better term, and they're promising. 1942 01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,160 We're going to get each other kingdoms, we're going to get 1943 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:32,600 each other crowns. We'll all band together as this 1944 01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:35,960 band of nine and we will make sure that we all are wearing 1945 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:39,440 crowns at the end of the day. And we hear from in the World of 1946 01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:42,760 Ice and Fire that eight of the 5th and Jaharis initially don't 1947 01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,600 think very much of this, this band of nine of and especially 1948 01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,320 of of may list. And I think there's maybe a few 1949 01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:52,560 reasons for that. It had been the better part of 1950 01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:57,120 20 years since the last black fire in Beijing, and that had 1951 01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:01,680 been stopped very quickly. So I think that this had been a 1952 01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:06,360 very long stretch of time where the black fires really hadn't 1953 01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,920 appeared to this as a threat. Yes, they still existed. 1954 01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,240 Yes, the Targaryens were very much aware of them. 1955 01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,480 But I think they, the Targaryens, may have decided our 1956 01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:17,400 guys are done with us. They've realized that invading 1957 01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:18,680 isn't going to get them anywhere. 1958 01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,480 So, yeah, let them have let them have their little Kingdom over 1959 01:44:21,480 --> 01:44:22,400 the sea. That's fine. 1960 01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,280 As long as they're not touching our soil, we don't really care. 1961 01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:29,800 And I think that Jaharis may have any some extent a, the 5th 1962 01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:36,320 as well may have seen Malus as by this point, a a true 1963 01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:40,640 foreigner, someone who is both physically as well as 1964 01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:44,280 dynastically just too far away to pose a threat to the 1965 01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:46,800 Targaryen dynasty. I mean, there are no other black 1966 01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:51,080 fires left as as far as we know, Malus is the last of of that 1967 01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:53,840 male lion. And so Taharis may have thought 1968 01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:55,840 problem will solve itself in a couple of years. 1969 01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:59,600 Malus will, you know, get killed in some battle in the disputed 1970 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,400 lands and then that'll be the end of it. 1971 01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:02,840 That's the end of House black fire. 1972 01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:06,560 We really no one's going to follow a female black fire to 1973 01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,080 sit on the Iron Throne. We'll be fine. 1974 01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:13,600 And it's also possible that to Harris thought, well, my dad's 1975 01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,960 not old. Yes, he's, you know, almost 60, 1976 01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:20,400 but that's not ancient by Westerosi standards. 1977 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:25,560 It's very possible Egg still has 5-10 years of life left, if not 1978 01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,520 more so Sure, this really isn't going to be my problem in the in 1979 01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:33,000 the in the near future. I can let my dad deal with this. 1980 01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,480 And if the black fires are still a problem in 10 years, well, 1981 01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:38,000 that's 10 years from now. His problem? 1982 01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:40,640 Yeah, he was probably more focused on Summer Hall. 1983 01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,920 That wasn't something that probably just popped up 1984 01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:43,960 overnight. It was something that was 1985 01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:47,000 planned for for quite a while. Most likely the set up, the 1986 01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,520 whatever that involved, the planning, everyone traveling to 1987 01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,600 be there. Jahara's having an interest in 1988 01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,600 the supernatural. Well, he would certainly be more 1989 01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:57,920 interested in this than the black fires, even though that's 1990 01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:59,680 something that's been with him all his life. 1991 01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:02,200 This is something that he wants. This is something that he's 1992 01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,320 excited about, something that he assumes is going to happen at 1993 01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,840 some point, and he might think it's going to happen here, but 1994 01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:11,360 for different reasons. What do we think his general 1995 01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,480 sense would have been? Coming up to Summerhall? 1996 01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:16,640 What? Have you been optimistic, or 1997 01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:21,400 maybe are we of more than mine, that he didn't agree with his 1998 01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,640 father on these methods, as we alluded to earlier, and that he 1999 01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:29,040 just thought it would be maybe more of a regular failure, not a 2000 01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,800 spectacular failure like this? It's hard to believe anyone 2001 01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,640 predicted this exactly. I genuinely think that Jay 2002 01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,440 Harris may have been excited about Summer Hall, may have been 2003 01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:40,920 encouraging Summer Hall because I think Jay Harris genuinely 2004 01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:46,320 believed my grandson. Grandson is going to be the 2005 01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:50,320 Prince that was promised. This is a gathering ostensibly 2006 01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:52,920 to celebrate the birth of that grandson. 2007 01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:56,520 So yeah, why not? This will be sort of the, the 2008 01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:00,360 grand literal and figurative coming out party of the Prince 2009 01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,680 that was promised. This is this is this 1st 2010 01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,920 celebration. This is a hero has been born a 2011 01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,960 savior for the world has been born for House Targaryen and 2012 01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:13,840 it's my grandson. And because Egg is clearly 2013 01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,240 focused on hatching Dragons at this, he's gathering not just 2014 01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:20,480 dragon eggs together, but also all the members of House 2015 01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:24,200 Targaryen that he can together to have them, you know, to add 2016 01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,120 whatever supernatural power that does. 2017 01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:29,000 I think to Harris is thinking, yeah, this makes sense. 2018 01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:33,000 My grandson, the Prince that was promised is going to be born at 2019 01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,240 the exact same time the Dragons are going to hack into the world 2020 01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,520 again. They're obviously both links. 2021 01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,680 The Prince that was promised in Dragons, this figure and Dragons 2022 01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,560 are always LinkedIn these prophecies. 2023 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,080 So yeah, makes sense to me. Let's let's go, let's do it. 2024 01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:49,360 This will be this will be a big celebration. 2025 01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:53,080 This will be the start of the fulfillment of this prophecy. 2026 01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:56,080 It's possible we should be considering that you Harry's had 2027 01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,520 a bigger role in Summer Hall then we've prior theorized 2028 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:03,560 because yeah, obviously it's Aegon the Fifth decision and it 2029 01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:05,200 was probably his idea in the 1st place. 2030 01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:09,080 But a lot of the details and the working through it all may have 2031 01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,440 been on Jaharis or just from his influence. 2032 01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:13,800 He may have pushed a lot of it or had a lot of ideas. 2033 01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:15,560 Certainly would fit. We, we obviously can't be sure 2034 01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,160 of something like that, but I think it's an idea that has some 2035 01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:19,760 merit to it. But of course, what actually 2036 01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:24,960 happened was a horrible tragedy that Jaharis and Sharad were 2037 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:28,040 able to escape. They were among the people to 2038 01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:30,120 get out along with Aries and Raella. 2039 01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,640 We're not entirely sure if there were any other members of the 2040 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,440 family who weren't there, but we certainly have a long list of 2041 01:48:35,440 --> 01:48:40,040 people that were and died there. So that changed his perspective 2042 01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:42,000 quickly. What you said a few moments ago 2043 01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:43,760 is that he thought he maybe had some time. 2044 01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:46,040 Very quickly, he learned he did not. 2045 01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:49,600 I don't know what exactly the Harris expected to happen at 2046 01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:53,320 Summer Hall, but whatever he thought was going to happen, it 2047 01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:56,240 definitely wasn't a conflagration that was going to 2048 01:48:56,240 --> 01:49:01,280 claim the lives of most of the attendees of Summerhall and 2049 01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:03,920 honestly, probably almost claimed his life too. 2050 01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,760 This seems like a really devastating fire. 2051 01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:10,800 So I can imagine that Harris was afraid for his life as well, 2052 01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:14,040 although obviously he got out. And so it it's it's hard to 2053 01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:17,520 think about, you know, what was his reaction to this, that I 2054 01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:23,080 think in a way he may have thought like this, this isn't 2055 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,520 right. This isn't what was supposed to 2056 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,720 happen. What was supposed to happen is 2057 01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:31,120 that the Prince that was promised is born and everyone's 2058 01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:33,520 excited and we've got Dragons in the world again. 2059 01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,120 And this is the beginning of prophecy. 2060 01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:39,000 And now instead we've got, yes, his grandson has been born. 2061 01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:43,200 Yes, his grandson is healthy, but his father is dead, his 2062 01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:46,400 older brother is dead, his sister-in-law and Jenny is dead. 2063 01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:49,440 There are presumably other members of the family who 2064 01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:53,800 attended who also died. He and his wife and their two 2065 01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:57,240 children and now their baby grandson are among the very few 2066 01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:01,080 survivors. And now also he himself is king 2067 01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:04,560 and he has to take over. So I think that this is going 2068 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,080 from what should have been this Acme for Jeharis, this 2069 01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,840 celebration of I was right about the prophecy all along. 2070 01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:13,800 Look at that. And now it's wait a second, 2071 01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,640 what? What is this supposed to mean? 2072 01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,200 How? How do I interpret this in the 2073 01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:21,760 context of prop? Because clearly the prophecy 2074 01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:25,880 still has to be true somehow. So how does all of this make 2075 01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:27,880 sense? How does this all fit together 2076 01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:29,760 that we get the Prince that was promised in the end? 2077 01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:34,760 Yeah, it it must have been at least a mental set back of lack 2078 01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:39,120 of understanding, unless we had the right of it when theorizing 2079 01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:42,320 that he didn't agree with what his father was doing here in 2080 01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:45,160 terms of methods, even though he certainly agreed with the 2081 01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:48,400 hopeful outcome there. So, yeah, it was a hopeful 2082 01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,440 celebration of life at the very least. 2083 01:50:50,440 --> 01:50:52,520 They expected. OK, well, maybe our Dragons 2084 01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:55,600 won't be born, but we'll have a Prince born or, or a Princess, 2085 01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,720 and that's a good thing. But instead, yeah, what happened 2086 01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,000 happened. Rain. 2087 01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,960 It must have been a really sad return to King's Landing. 2088 01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:06,640 I mean, you have the untimely death of a king. 2089 01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:09,560 That's bad enough, but this was so much worse. 2090 01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:14,040 The expected outcome versus the bare minimum, right? 2091 01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:17,760 Like they could have gotten a dragon or two out of it. 2092 01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,560 Maybe that wasn't the widespread expectation, but at least the 2093 01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:24,680 birth of a new royal. They thought that would be a 2094 01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:29,160 nice thing to celebrate, but wow, just nothing good at all 2095 01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:31,480 about that. No, absolutely not. 2096 01:51:31,480 --> 01:51:35,720 And I can only imagine the return not just, you know, 2097 01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,960 obviously physically, but also psychologically to King's 2098 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:42,240 Landing. After Summer Hall, the party 2099 01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,720 departs. It's literally a party. 2100 01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:47,120 Everyone is celebrating. They're anticipating this new 2101 01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:50,200 great grandson for the king. They I don't think I can 2102 01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:52,320 advertise this, but they're anticipating Dragons. 2103 01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:55,640 It's going to be a big triumphant return when they come 2104 01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:57,960 back. Look, we've got a new baby 2105 01:51:57,960 --> 01:51:59,680 Dinos. Oh, and by the way, we've also 2106 01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:04,720 got a hatchling dragon or two. And instead summer Hall quite 2107 01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:10,640 literally explodes and this Yep, in self explosive news reaches 2108 01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:14,600 the capital and all of a sudden they're thinking what happened? 2109 01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:19,040 And this almost funeral Cortese returns where it's Jaharish and 2110 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,360 Shara and their children and baby Rhaegar. 2111 01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:26,120 Very few members of the family left, definitely no Dragons. 2112 01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:31,240 And now it's, it's this, you know, physically weak, not 2113 01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,160 imposing second son Jaharis, who suddenly has to take up the 2114 01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,960 manslaughter government. And as soon as he does, the Band 2115 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,960 of Nine makes their move. He may have thought they were in 2116 01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:42,800 the background, he may have been wanting to continue focusing on 2117 01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:44,920 the prophecy and what had gone wrong. 2118 01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,800 But now he had a existential threat of source. 2119 01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,080 Someone that wanted to to overthrow the dynasty and the 2120 01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:56,600 hero of the prior rebellion was one of the casualties of 2121 01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:58,280 Summerhall, that being Sir Duncan the Tall. 2122 01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:02,080 And of course his father had been preparing for some of this 2123 01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:04,560 but wasn't expecting it at the time it came. 2124 01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:08,960 So this was a rather sudden and well, they had to react quickly. 2125 01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:12,280 But you know, Jairus, not a warrior as we said, but also, 2126 01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:13,520 you know, not a coward, right? And. 2127 01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:17,720 Certainly not a coward. And I think that I can see where 2128 01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:21,720 on the one hand, I think Jaharis is feeling a sense of terror, 2129 01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,280 Probably would have been feeling a sense of terror because he's 2130 01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:28,000 always been the least Marshall of, of Aegon the Fifth Sons. 2131 01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:32,920 And now this least Marshall of the Sons has to face what is 2132 01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:36,960 potentially the biggest Black Fire invasion since at least the 2133 01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,440 third, if not the first Black Fire rebellion. 2134 01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:43,440 And I think Jaharis may have been thinking, why is this me? 2135 01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:45,680 Why am I the one who is leading this? 2136 01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,160 Why? Where is my brother Darrod? 2137 01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:51,360 He should be here. Where is my father and my older 2138 01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:52,680 brother? They should be here. 2139 01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:55,240 Why is it on me, this least martial? 2140 01:53:55,240 --> 01:53:58,800 I can't lead the armies myself. I can't go out on a horse, sword 2141 01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,920 in hand, Lance in hand, try to defeat Maitless myself. 2142 01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,840 Why is this falling on me? Why is this what I'm dealing 2143 01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:06,360 with? I like. 2144 01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:10,000 Why am I the last of the adult males of House Targaryen? 2145 01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:14,560 Who and facing down this crisis? Must have been a little bit 2146 01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:20,480 nerve racking if not for him for the realm that Aries went on the 2147 01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:22,840 step stones. But they did have a good plan 2148 01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:27,080 and they had good leaders even though they didn't have a lot of 2149 01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:30,040 Targaryens around. Certainly some capable folks. 2150 01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:34,920 And well, he would have to sit back and just wait for news and 2151 01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:37,600 and hope it went well, huh? He would, and I think that 2152 01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:41,480 that's, you know, probably a frustrating aspect of of J 2153 01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:45,360 Harris's reign for him is that he can't be there on, on the 2154 01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,600 battlefield. You know, he, he can send 2155 01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:50,480 capable commanders, He can send capable leaders, he can send his 2156 01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:52,440 armies. But he himself is sitting in 2157 01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:56,040 King's Landing and he can only do so much from a writing desk. 2158 01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:59,240 He can send the instructions and then he has to hope that 2159 01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:04,200 everything goes well. And I think that, you know, I do 2160 01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:07,040 think that Harris has a sense of what to do. 2161 01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,640 You know, obviously, again, he's not a battlefield dental. 2162 01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,240 He's not going to take up sword in hand. 2163 01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:15,000 But I do think that he has an understanding in terms of how to 2164 01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,520 fight this war, how to progress in this war because I think he 2165 01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:22,360 realizes well, I need to take the fight to the steps shows. 2166 01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:26,920 I can't let them just land in Westeros and #1 it's not good 2167 01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:29,240 for my people. I can't have them just ravaging 2168 01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:32,440 my subjects. But also #2 I can't have them 2169 01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:37,920 rallying any kind of pro black fire or anti Targaryen sentiment 2170 01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:41,000 in the in the Kingdom. I can't have them landing and 2171 01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,080 saying, do you want this weakling on the Iron Throne or 2172 01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,280 do you want a powerful warrior on the Iron Throne? 2173 01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:49,560 And hey, do you want the guy who who's the son of the man who 2174 01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:53,240 just blew up his entire family? Seems a little unstable if you 2175 01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,520 ask me. At least Maelis has got an army 2176 01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:57,400 he can lead. Kaharis doesn't want that. 2177 01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:00,120 He doesn't want that kind of propaganda being put out from 2178 01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:03,720 for his people thinking, thanks. Let's you know Maelis is a 2179 01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:05,640 foreigner. Let's treat this as a foreign 2180 01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:07,280 war. We are going to land on the step 2181 01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:08,720 stones. We're going to take the fight to 2182 01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:10,640 him. We're going to make sure he does 2183 01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:13,960 not step one toe onto Westerosi soil. 2184 01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:17,160 Now, in terms of his image, and I think this is a good segue to 2185 01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:21,320 that, we mentioned earlier that he maybe concealed something 2186 01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:24,680 going on with his left arm. Yeah, he needed to project an 2187 01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:27,200 image, and perhaps more so than a lot of the other Targaryen 2188 01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:32,160 kings, because he was trying to engender a certain view or 2189 01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:35,120 prevent people from seeing him as weak, maybe is a better way 2190 01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:38,920 to put it. And part of that is his choice 2191 01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:40,600 of crown, I think. Right, that. 2192 01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:43,640 Let's talk about that briefly. You can't use the word briefly 2193 01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,000 because when it comes to me and talking about crowns, I could go 2194 01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:49,120 on for about an hour, but I will try to keep this anyway. 2195 01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,120 I mean, here's the thing, on a practical level, I don't think 2196 01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,400 Jaharis has a lot of choices in terms of the crowns that are at 2197 01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:58,000 least that are already accent in terms of what to wear. 2198 01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:01,640 Aegis crown was the crown of Aegon the Third and the crown of 2199 01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:04,920 the Sarah's the second. It was probably destroyed at 2200 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:06,640 Summerhall. I'm going to assume if it was a 2201 01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:09,920 massive massive massive conflagration that crown was 2202 01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,240 probably destroyed. The Harris also can't wear the 2203 01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:14,640 crown of Egg and the Conqueror because that was lost with 2204 01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,320 Darren the first Endor. Although whether or not everyone 2205 01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:19,600 has it till this day is a great theory anyway. 2206 01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:24,280 But what? And, you know, I think on a on a 2207 01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:26,880 personal level, the Harris really isn't going to be drawn 2208 01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:31,040 to something like the crown of Aegon the unworded, this sort of 2209 01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:36,600 gaudy, over the top statement of Aegon the 4th's own ego. 2210 01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:40,560 And so there's not a lot of choices for Jaharis, but I think 2211 01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:43,920 he makes a very clever choice and he chooses the crown of his 2212 01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:47,120 grandfather Makar. It's this, you know, band with 2213 01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:49,960 the iron spikes on on top, actually a little bit like the 2214 01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:51,040 Stark crown. Interesting. 2215 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,080 Like it's always sort of depicts that way, which is which is 2216 01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:54,880 interesting to me. But you know, I think I think 2217 01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,760 it's a clever choice for Jaharis. 2218 01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:01,560 Makar is obviously Jaharis's most immediate predecessor after 2219 01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:03,960 his own father. Yet if Jeharis can't have his 2220 01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:06,720 father's own crown, well, Makar is the next in line. 2221 01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:10,840 So he can take Makar's crown and convey that sense of continuity. 2222 01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:16,160 But more than that, Makar, as we mentioned, a very famous 2223 01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:18,960 battlefield commander and a commander against the black 2224 01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:21,520 fires. This is a king who time and 2225 01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,720 again went to war against the black fires. 2226 01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:29,080 And what this was someone who was not afraid to take up the 2227 01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:33,160 sword for House Targaryen and say, no black fires, you do not 2228 01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:36,280 get the Iron Throne and I will stop you at the point of my 2229 01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:38,360 sword. And so I think J Harris 2230 01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,200 realizes, look, I'm personally not a warrior king. 2231 01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:45,680 I will never be a warrior king. But I can sort of take some of 2232 01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:49,000 the legacy of that most famous of warrior kings. 2233 01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:53,240 I can take that on and say I am not literally going to be on the 2234 01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:57,640 battlefield, but I am bringing in the spirit of my grandfather 2235 01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:01,720 by wearing his crown. I am saying I am stepping in to 2236 01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:04,120 make our shoes. He was willing to take the 2237 01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:06,200 place. The black fires, so am I. 2238 01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:08,960 He would bravely face them down, so am I. 2239 01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:12,400 He did not let them take the Iron Throne and neither am I 2240 01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:15,760 going to do that. And of course, he had to give up 2241 01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:19,560 command to someone else, as we said, and that turned out to be 2242 01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:23,680 Orban Baratheon, who of course is the grandfather of Robert 2243 01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:29,640 Ranley and Stannis. And this is notable for a couple 2244 01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:31,920 of reasons, at least. And some of them are a little 2245 01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:33,440 subtle, aren't they? They are. 2246 01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:37,760 And yeah, this is a point that I, I, I, I talk about a fair 2247 01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:40,960 amount on various Tumblr posts and I, and I really, I really do 2248 01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:43,800 believe in this. I think this is a more important 2249 01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:48,440 moment than it might seem on face, because for the first time 2250 01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:52,480 in a major Westerosi war since the Conquest, there are no 2251 01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:54,640 Targaryens commanding anywhere in the field there. 2252 01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:57,240 You know, it's not the king, it's not one of the adult 2253 01:59:57,240 --> 02:00:00,000 Princess. No Targaryens are leading the 2254 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,960 charge here. Obviously Ormond is a joke, a 2255 02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:07,200 descendant of a Targaryen bastard son. 2256 02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:10,600 Obviously he's married to a Targaryen, so it's not like 2257 02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:12,960 they're completely divorced from the Targaryens. 2258 02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:16,000 But he's not a Targaryen himself. 2259 02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,240 And I think that's such an important distinction because 2260 02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:23,560 even after the Targaryens lost their Dragons, they were still 2261 02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:25,280 leading troops on the battlefield. 2262 02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:28,680 Kings and Princess of House Targaryen were still leading the 2263 02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:30,160 armies. They were still claiming that 2264 02:00:30,160 --> 02:00:34,280 title of protector of the realm, the sort of what I like to call 2265 02:00:34,280 --> 02:00:37,640 the Warden of Wardens, the one who will, you know, defend the 2266 02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:42,160 realm and protect it. But now the power of command on 2267 02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:45,400 the battlefield, it's not in the hands of a Targaryen. 2268 02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:47,920 It's in the hands of a Targaryen vassal. 2269 02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:51,760 They're not just bringing the troops, they're leading the 2270 02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:53,400 troops. Jaharis is directing the war. 2271 02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:54,920 Again, Jaharis is giving commands. 2272 02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:58,520 But when it comes to decisions on the battlefield, that's not 2273 02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:02,800 in the hands of the Targaryens. And I think this is a crucial 2274 02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:03,800 moment. You know, when we talked a 2275 02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:06,840 little bit earlier that I sort of made the mean reference about 2276 02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:10,280 the, the line of dominoes when we're thinking about the origins 2277 02:01:10,280 --> 02:01:12,920 of Robert's Rebellion. I think we need to look at this 2278 02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:17,240 moment because I think this is a moment where remember, this is 2279 02:01:17,680 --> 02:01:19,760 all of the aristocrats of Westeros. 2280 02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:24,040 This is Westeros's really only united war where everyone is 2281 02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:26,760 coming together to fight a foreign enemy. 2282 02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:30,360 All of these aristocrats from all over the country are 2283 02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:34,680 gathering together and I think they're thinking, guys, what are 2284 02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:36,760 we doing? Wait a second. 2285 02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:40,120 You know, when when our ancestors bent the knee to egg 2286 02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:42,560 in the Conqueror, what was the arrangement there? 2287 02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:44,720 Yes, we gave up our crowns. Yes, we gave up our royal 2288 02:01:44,720 --> 02:01:46,400 titles. Yes, we agreed to pay their 2289 02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:48,640 taxes and fight in their wars and do them homage. 2290 02:01:49,160 --> 02:01:51,920 But what was the agreement from them in return? 2291 02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:55,560 They agreed to protect us and they agreed to protect our 2292 02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:58,600 ancestral rights. And what have we gotten in 2293 02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:00,880 recent memory? Are they protecting us? 2294 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,520 Well, not if you're living under Eris the First, 'cause he left 2295 02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:07,280 them punfully intended, high and dry against the Ironborn. 2296 02:02:07,640 --> 02:02:09,880 And are they protecting our ancestral rights? 2297 02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:11,840 Well, not if you're living under Egg in the 5th. 2298 02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:13,840 Because he's trying to take them away. 2299 02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,320 He's trying to implement his own reforms. 2300 02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:20,280 And so I think for people especially like Hoster and 2301 02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:25,120 Brendan Tully and Richard Stark and John Aaron, I think they're 2302 02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:29,480 looking at this moment and thinking, guys, we've got the 2303 02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:32,320 power here. We are the ones with the armies. 2304 02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:33,920 We're the ones leading the armies. 2305 02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:36,360 We're the Targaryens. They're nowhere except for 2306 02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:40,080 heiress who's a Squire. We're the ones with the power 2307 02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:42,120 here. We're the ones who can say 2308 02:02:42,120 --> 02:02:44,920 something. So why are we living in the same 2309 02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:48,240 arrangement that we had when the Targaryens had Dragons? 2310 02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:50,720 It, it doesn't add up, it doesn't make sense. 2311 02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:55,240 To be clear, I am not saying that it's the War of the 9 Penny 2312 02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:57,720 Kings that makes them want to replace the Targaryens with the 2313 02:02:57,720 --> 02:03:00,120 Baratheons. That is not what happened. 2314 02:03:00,440 --> 02:03:03,200 But what I'm saying is when we're thinking about the origin 2315 02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:06,840 of this dispute between the crown and its vassals, and that 2316 02:03:06,840 --> 02:03:09,160 really is at the heart of Robert's Rebellion, I think we 2317 02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:11,040 do need to start here. And I do think we need to think 2318 02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:13,720 about this moment where maybe there's the beginning of this 2319 02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:17,120 self-awareness that we really are the ones with the power 2320 02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:19,480 here. We're the ones who can to 2321 02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:22,840 enforce the rule of House Targaryen or not, and if we are, 2322 02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:25,400 then we're also the ones who can enforce Cagus. 2323 02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:29,320 And that is an interesting way to consider Jairus's thoughts on 2324 02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:31,560 the matter. He may have not just been 2325 02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:36,600 wanting to put himself on the battlefield for optics, but he 2326 02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:39,960 may have realized this facet as well. 2327 02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:43,160 That without Targaryens on the battlefield, people might look 2328 02:03:43,160 --> 02:03:45,360 around and realize they don't need Targaryens anymore. 2329 02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:49,080 So he may have been noticing that, especially given that his 2330 02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:53,080 head was all was very deep in the idea of getting Dragons back 2331 02:03:53,080 --> 02:03:54,400 and what that would mean for them. 2332 02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:57,080 So he would have an understanding, a thorough 2333 02:03:57,080 --> 02:04:01,160 understanding, I think, of the insurance and outs of what that 2334 02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:03,480 level of power would mean with or without Dragons. 2335 02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:07,840 And extending that to with or without notable warriors. 2336 02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:10,120 I mean, previous generation, they had some pretty big names. 2337 02:04:10,120 --> 02:04:11,120 Right. Aiming the dragon knight. 2338 02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:13,080 Baylor breaks beer. King Daron. 2339 02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:14,800 Yeah. There's nothing like that in 2340 02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:16,760 this era. And there hadn't been a whole 2341 02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:20,440 lot in a while other than young Prince Daron, who was killed by 2342 02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:22,600 the rat and Hawking the pig and and his career was cut a little 2343 02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:25,920 short. So that affects people's ability 2344 02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:30,000 to remember him and for him to rack up the deeds might be a 2345 02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:30,920 little. Why? 2346 02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:34,800 The replacement commander for Ormond when he was killed was 2347 02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:37,600 Sir Gerald Hightower, so that's interesting. 2348 02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:42,360 He was named by Jaharis and then became the commander in 2349 02:04:42,360 --> 02:04:44,320 replacement here. So that's an interesting little 2350 02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,160 subtopic, isn't? It, it, it is. 2351 02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:49,920 And I think the I do think that it's a very purposeful 2352 02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:53,320 designation that that Jaharis gives him to, to name General 2353 02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:56,760 Hightower as the, as the new commander, because I think that 2354 02:04:56,760 --> 02:05:01,680 Jaharis believes this is as close as I can personally get to 2355 02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:04,640 being on the battlefield. I can't personally go. 2356 02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:08,280 And my son is far too young to name him as commander. 2357 02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:12,400 But if I name the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard that is the 2358 02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:16,160 representative of the crown, he's not acting as a member of 2359 02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:20,160 House Hightower. He is acting as a representative 2360 02:05:20,160 --> 02:05:24,080 of House Targaryen. He is my sword arm, so to speak. 2361 02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:28,080 He is the person who, when you look at him, you are looking at 2362 02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,080 me. I am there on the battlefield, 2363 02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:33,080 just not physically. And it's interesting because we 2364 02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:38,280 really don't get a huge sense of what Gerald's back story was or, 2365 02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:40,920 or, you know, why Gaharis names him, how they become aware of 2366 02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:44,280 each other. Presumably, you know, Gerald did 2367 02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:46,040 know him. You know, presumably he's 2368 02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:48,920 already on the kindergarten. We don't know exactly how long, 2369 02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:52,960 but I think that maybe Gaharis is looking at him and thinking, 2370 02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:55,880 well, first of all, he's A at least a relatively speaking 2371 02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:57,720 young man. Although I don't know exactly 2372 02:05:57,720 --> 02:06:01,600 how young he was because Dope was around 70 when he died. 2373 02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:04,240 So anyone who's appointed after that is probably going to be 2374 02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:07,560 considered young by comparison. But he's a relatively young man. 2375 02:06:07,560 --> 02:06:09,320 So he's he's vigorous, he's healthy. 2376 02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:13,440 He can sort of administer this war in Gaheris name. 2377 02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:16,240 And I think that Gaheris may have also thought, well, he's 2378 02:06:16,280 --> 02:06:18,640 he's an aristocrat and he's an aristocrat from a very old 2379 02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:20,840 blooded family. So he knows what it is to 2380 02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:23,920 command other aristocrats. He knows what it is to work 2381 02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:26,120 among aristocratic circles and give orders. 2382 02:06:26,120 --> 02:06:29,000 He's been trained to do that, you know, probably since 2383 02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:31,320 boyhood. So, you know, it makes sense 2384 02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:34,400 that Gaheris is looking at him and thinking, if I can't be 2385 02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:37,200 there, then I want the next best thing, and that's Joel 2386 02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:39,160 Hightower. Yeah, and it's an interesting 2387 02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:42,160 evolution of Targaryen power as well, if we're thinking, well, 2388 02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:44,520 they no longer have their own great warriors. 2389 02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:45,840 They certainly don't have Dragons. 2390 02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:49,760 Well, at least they can have the Kingsguard and they can put the 2391 02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:53,760 very best of the best in there. And that manifests much later. 2392 02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:57,720 I think maybe we can trace this to that to this as well this 2393 02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:00,640 time, which is that Aries was known for having a particularly 2394 02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:04,360 strong Kingsguard. At least some of those were 2395 02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:07,400 Jairus's Kingsguard because of course he inherited them and 2396 02:07:07,400 --> 02:07:10,560 Jairus reign was so short they didn't have much time to get 2397 02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:14,000 killed. So in fact it may be most of 2398 02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:15,280 them. I know Arthur Dane came along a 2399 02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:21,560 little later, but certainly the culmination of the Fifth Black 2400 02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:26,440 Fire Rebellion or the War of the 9 Penny Kings was due to the 2401 02:07:26,440 --> 02:07:29,920 next man to join the Kingsguard. And what a story that is. 2402 02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,280 I mean, it really is. And and again, we we mentioned 2403 02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:36,040 this at the beginning, Joe Harris may have been there when 2404 02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:40,240 Barrison sort of made his debut on the chivalric scene, so to 2405 02:07:40,240 --> 02:07:43,960 speak. And now it's Barrison who saves 2406 02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:47,600 House Targaryen. It's Barrison who steps into the 2407 02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:51,240 sabaton, so to speak, of Doug and the tall and cuts down 2408 02:07:51,240 --> 02:07:55,120 another black fire pretender. And you know, to what extent to 2409 02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:57,960 Harris was there when young Barrison gousted against Doug 2410 02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:00,320 the tall or Doug the small? Maybe, maybe not. 2411 02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:03,280 But I think he would have been very justified in noting this 2412 02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:05,760 boy and seeing look how he's come up. 2413 02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:09,480 This is someone who is devoted to the crown, who wants to spend 2414 02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:12,880 his life wearing that white cloak, serving the crown, 2415 02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:17,800 defending the crown's honor. You know, Barristan is a legend 2416 02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:20,480 in his own time. He is someone that is spoken 2417 02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:24,560 about with other legendary figures of the Kingsguard, like 2418 02:08:24,640 --> 02:08:28,360 I am Redwin and aiming the Dragon Knight, and it's Jaharis. 2419 02:08:28,360 --> 02:08:31,520 It's Jaharis who puts that white cloak on him, who singles him 2420 02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:33,800 out and says yes, you have earned this spot. 2421 02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:35,760 You get to defend House Targaryen for the rest of your 2422 02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:37,360 life. Yeah, yeah. 2423 02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:40,280 I like that. And I mean, Barristan, as far as 2424 02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:43,400 we know, he wanted to be a Kingsguard all his life. 2425 02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:46,400 He grew up dreaming of that. So it really does fit. 2426 02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:48,200 It really does come together nicely. 2427 02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:52,680 And it is pretty much perfect for what Jaharis needs around 2428 02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:55,120 him at this time. He seems to have done a pretty 2429 02:08:55,120 --> 02:08:57,320 good job after the war, right? He had to start with that. 2430 02:08:57,320 --> 02:09:00,800 So it kind of was a stunted beginning to his reign. 2431 02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:04,600 He had to focus on a war. But once the war was settled, 2432 02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:09,360 which wasn't super long, he got to ruling and it went pretty 2433 02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:11,480 well, right? Mostly pretty well, Right. 2434 02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:14,200 Yeah. It seems to have been fairly 2435 02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:16,200 well. Now, again, part of that is a 2436 02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:18,720 function of time. There's not a lot of time 2437 02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:21,440 between the end of the war and the Harris's death. 2438 02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:27,280 So, you know, had he lived another ten, 20-30 years, would 2439 02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:30,360 people have been as happy with Jaharis as king? 2440 02:09:30,840 --> 02:09:33,560 Maybe, maybe not. But he doesn't have to live that 2441 02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:36,920 long in a, in a strange way, like his brother Deron, he gets 2442 02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:42,160 to die as a sort of war hero. He gets to die with the memory 2443 02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:44,640 of this war. Sort of the last thing that 2444 02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:47,480 people remember about him is, well, at least Jaharis, you 2445 02:09:47,480 --> 02:09:50,280 know, helped us win this war. At least Jaharis was king when 2446 02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:51,680 we won this war against the Blackfires. 2447 02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:54,480 But no, it seems pretty stable, pretty secure. 2448 02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:59,040 I think that the most notable part about Daharis's brief reign 2449 02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:03,640 after the war is that he makes sure that he reconciles these 2450 02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:07,480 houses who had been unhappy with the Iron Throne because of his 2451 02:10:07,480 --> 02:10:10,880 father's attempted reforms. Now, we don't know what those 2452 02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:14,360 reforms were #1 and so we don't know what Daharis might have 2453 02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:19,040 done to reconcile those houses. But I think this speaks to the 2454 02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:21,640 point that I was just making a little bit ago, which is that I 2455 02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:26,240 think Jaharis realized correctly, this is not the time 2456 02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:29,920 for me to antagonize my vassals. This is not the time that I can 2457 02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:33,360 say, right? And now let's go right back to 2458 02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:36,600 what my dad was doing. And you give up all of your 2459 02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:39,280 ancestral powers so that I can look after the small folk. 2460 02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:43,880 This is not the climate that he wants to do that in, because his 2461 02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:46,200 vassals have just shown they've got power. 2462 02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:48,440 They've got armies that can defeat a foreign enemy. 2463 02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:52,520 The armies that can defeat a foreign enemy can also defeat 2464 02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:55,120 the armies of the crown lands and replace you if they very 2465 02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:59,200 much want to. And I think Caharis realizes I 2466 02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:02,680 don't have the strength personally, draconically, 2467 02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:05,600 militarily, to fight off my vassals. 2468 02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,120 So let's just not antagonize them. 2469 02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:12,080 Let's just keep things at a status quo and everyone will be 2470 02:11:12,080 --> 02:11:13,680 happy with it. And we won't. 2471 02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:17,240 Yeah, we'll try to make sure everyone's everyone's OK with 2472 02:11:17,240 --> 02:11:20,560 the Targaryen sitting the Iron Throne, since they've just been 2473 02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:24,120 presented with the opportunity to crown an alternative. 2474 02:11:24,360 --> 02:11:28,200 Yeah, I mean, I agree with that. They their gratitude over 2475 02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:30,200 stopping melees would only go so far. 2476 02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:33,640 They would still want what they want there by nature drawn to 2477 02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:37,240 power and don't want to lose what they had as you say. 2478 02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:41,720 So yeah, reforms don't work when you're not very strong. 2479 02:11:41,720 --> 02:11:44,240 That's very true by the way. Speaking of their alternative, 2480 02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:46,800 if melees was crowned, would there have to be like 2 crowns? 2481 02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:49,480 Like 1 little crown. Weigh in in the comments. 2482 02:11:49,480 --> 02:11:52,400 Would there be two crowns? From melees to monstrous. 2483 02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:01,480 Yes, Jerry died in 262. He was only 37. 2484 02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:03,320 His reign was only about 3 years. 2485 02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:06,720 Aegon the Third also died at 37. We mentioned that earlier as an 2486 02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:08,960 example, but he had been king for almost 30 years. 2487 02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:13,520 So it goes to show how just because they were the same age, 2488 02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:16,760 that's not a really great comparison otherwise because of 2489 02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:18,800 so many differences in their life. 2490 02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:20,520 Besides that, he just apparently. 2491 02:12:20,520 --> 02:12:22,840 Just had a. Shortness of breath and then 2492 02:12:22,840 --> 02:12:24,880 that was it. He had a short illness and then 2493 02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:29,280 passed normally. We have a good reason to at 2494 02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:33,280 least consider suspicion here, but it doesn't really fit here 2495 02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:35,760 very well. There's nothing big happened 2496 02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:37,640 after his death. No one seems to have a lot of 2497 02:12:37,640 --> 02:12:39,520 motive. I don't know, it just, yeah, it 2498 02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:41,720 seems like maybe this one's just mundane. 2499 02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:44,160 I agree. I, I don't think there's really 2500 02:12:44,160 --> 02:12:46,600 any suspicion here. And I think the fact that, you 2501 02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:50,360 know, usually when the author wants us to be suspicious or 2502 02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:53,120 think about something, he'll usually layer in a clue. 2503 02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:56,440 He'll, he'll, he'll tip us off. He'll say, hey, something's not 2504 02:12:56,440 --> 02:12:59,160 quite right about this. There's really not anything 2505 02:12:59,240 --> 02:13:01,720 there. I mean, we know that Jaharis is 2506 02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:04,040 frail and sickly throughout his entire life. 2507 02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:08,520 And we know he's just gone through the biggest war, 2508 02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:13,160 certainly in the last two to three decades, if not longer, 2509 02:13:13,160 --> 02:13:17,720 that Westeros has experienced. I mean, you look at any look at 2510 02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:21,320 any given president or head of state, you know, when they come 2511 02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:24,440 into office and then after they come into office and look at 2512 02:13:24,440 --> 02:13:26,960 just the physical change to that individual. 2513 02:13:27,680 --> 02:13:29,640 I think that was probably true to Harris as well. 2514 02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:32,440 For someone who already wasn't physically robust. 2515 02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:37,400 And then to go through the stress of managing a war, a very 2516 02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:40,480 big and important war against the last of the black fire 2517 02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:43,360 pretenders. I I think that took a toll on 2518 02:13:43,360 --> 02:13:46,200 him. I think that he just really got 2519 02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:48,240 broken down by the stress of that. 2520 02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:51,080 You know, I think that the comparison here is maybe someone 2521 02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:53,960 like George the 6th. So George the 6th is also a 2522 02:13:53,960 --> 02:13:57,080 second son and he comes the throne after his brother 2523 02:13:57,160 --> 02:14:01,520 advocates to marry a commoner. And he also is gets pretty 2524 02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:05,640 quickly, not so immediately, but pretty quickly thrown into the 2525 02:14:05,640 --> 02:14:08,240 Second World War. And so he is he is king of Great 2526 02:14:08,240 --> 02:14:10,640 Britain when the Second World War is happening, when the Blitz 2527 02:14:10,640 --> 02:14:12,800 is happening in London. And he's managing this. 2528 02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:16,600 And I get he doesn't die quite so quickly after it as as the 2529 02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:19,720 Harris does, but it does take a toll on him physically, 2530 02:14:19,720 --> 02:14:22,160 psychologically. And so I think that's maybe the 2531 02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:25,960 the thought that George is going for here is to Harris is not 2532 02:14:25,960 --> 02:14:28,320 robust to begin with. He goes through a really 2533 02:14:28,320 --> 02:14:32,240 stressful period. It's it kind of just is too much 2534 02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:33,400 for him. He's not going to live a long 2535 02:14:33,400 --> 02:14:35,600 life after that. It's almost a little bit like 2536 02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:39,080 the the concept that blood Raven and the children tell Bran, 2537 02:14:39,080 --> 02:14:43,080 which is that a lot of the the most powerful wielders of the 2538 02:14:43,080 --> 02:14:46,320 old gods magic for lack of a better term, are not around very 2539 02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,680 long. Like Jojen got his was open to 2540 02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:52,840 his powers after illness and Bran after his fall, things like 2541 02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:55,560 that. So this isn't like that because 2542 02:14:55,560 --> 02:14:58,560 he isn't literally endowed with those same powers, but it is 2543 02:14:59,120 --> 02:15:02,400 thematically very similar man, very interested in power, very 2544 02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:05,240 interested in supernatural power, but also burdened by it, 2545 02:15:05,240 --> 02:15:06,520 as you say, because that would be part of it. 2546 02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:09,640 Not only the political, not only the dynastic, but the 2547 02:15:09,640 --> 02:15:13,480 expectation of the world savior coming from his line. 2548 02:15:13,640 --> 02:15:17,040 As far as people who had shorter reigns, we said that he didn't 2549 02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:20,120 quite have the shortest one. Aegon the second and Viserys the 2550 02:15:20,120 --> 02:15:24,480 second, that's it right? I guess being the second isn't 2551 02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:28,240 so great in Westeros. Although Deron the Second did a 2552 02:15:28,240 --> 02:15:29,880 pretty good job. He lasted for a while. 2553 02:15:30,680 --> 02:15:32,240 Eris, the second lasted. For a while. 2554 02:15:32,240 --> 02:15:37,840 Too, But that's not a good one. Yeah, legacy. 2555 02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:40,720 The memory of King Jaharis has had quite the impact on Sir 2556 02:15:40,720 --> 02:15:45,520 Barristan since he got his white cloak from Barristan, and it's 2557 02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:47,040 something he's cherished his whole life. 2558 02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:50,040 So that's got to be an important moment, something very memorable 2559 02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:53,160 to him. And well, Barrison cites Jaharis 2560 02:15:53,160 --> 02:15:56,960 when defending his career as a Kingsguard to Joffrey after the 2561 02:15:56,960 --> 02:16:01,000 death of Robert. Sansa watched as the knight 2562 02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:05,320 peered up at his new king. She had never seen him look his 2563 02:16:05,320 --> 02:16:08,960 years before, yet now he did. Your. 2564 02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:10,440 Grace. He said. 2565 02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:13,560 I was chosen for the white swords in my 23rd year. 2566 02:16:13,880 --> 02:16:16,680 It was all I had ever dreamed from the moment I first took 2567 02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:19,200 sword in hand. I gave up all claim to my 2568 02:16:19,200 --> 02:16:21,920 ancestral keep. The girl I was to wed married my 2569 02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:25,120 cousin in my place. I had no need of land or sons. 2570 02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:26,880 My life would be lived for the realm. 2571 02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:32,040 Sir Gerald Hightower himself heard my vows to ward the king 2572 02:16:32,040 --> 02:16:35,400 with all my strength, to give my blood for his. 2573 02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:38,600 I fought beside the White Bull and Prince Louis of Dorn, 2574 02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:40,920 besides Sir Arthur Dayne the sword. 2575 02:16:40,920 --> 02:16:44,480 Of the morning before I served your father, I helped shield 2576 02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:49,000 King Aries and his father Jaharius before him. 3 kings. 2577 02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:51,160 Yeah. Danny's really moved by this. 2578 02:16:51,160 --> 02:16:53,760 She never even considered that Barristan could have known her 2579 02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,280 grandparents. It wasn't something that crossed 2580 02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:58,120 her mind. As we alluded to earlier, she 2581 02:16:58,120 --> 02:17:00,360 may never actually get the chance to hear these stories, 2582 02:17:00,360 --> 02:17:02,680 and that's kind of a bummer. But hopefully she does. 2583 02:17:03,160 --> 02:17:06,280 And if she does learn about those things, well, that's 2584 02:17:06,280 --> 02:17:09,400 really interesting. Like she may learn some things 2585 02:17:09,400 --> 02:17:13,760 about him that affect her decisions which will in a way 2586 02:17:14,360 --> 02:17:18,520 justify or at least extend his legacy in a way that he maybe 2587 02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:21,120 didn't predict but would have maybe been happy to see. 2588 02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:24,799 I mean, it's, it's interesting and I think that, you know, it's 2589 02:17:25,520 --> 02:17:28,639 very obvious from from that quote where, you know, Barrison 2590 02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:31,639 is kind of talking about his career and, and his life as a 2591 02:17:31,639 --> 02:17:34,240 Kingsguard. He he's still thinking about the 2592 02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:36,400 Harris. He's still thinking about this 2593 02:17:36,400 --> 02:17:38,719 is the person who gave me this cloak that he hasn't. 2594 02:17:39,160 --> 02:17:42,280 He he doesn't think of himself Barristan as someone who sort of 2595 02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:45,400 emerge into the white cloaks fully formed. 2596 02:17:45,400 --> 02:17:48,360 He thinks about this is something that was given to me 2597 02:17:48,360 --> 02:17:51,160 and it was given to me by Jaharis the second. 2598 02:17:51,160 --> 02:17:53,120 This is someone that I will always have a personal 2599 02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:57,719 connection with because without him I would not be Barrist in 2600 02:17:57,719 --> 02:18:00,080 the bold legendary commander of the Kingsguard. 2601 02:18:00,320 --> 02:18:06,280 And as the only person that witnessed to Jaharis this next 2602 02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:11,000 take of his, which is in the context of Hisdar's reaction to 2603 02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:14,360 grow Leo's head being revealed, which of course is a big 2604 02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:16,879 provocation. Grolio was a hostage that was 2605 02:18:16,879 --> 02:18:19,799 supposed to be not killed. And that's not what you're 2606 02:18:19,799 --> 02:18:21,559 supposed to do with hostages when you want to maintain the 2607 02:18:21,559 --> 02:18:23,360 peace. So Barristan had a very 2608 02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:25,959 interesting reaction to this. And here it is quote. 2609 02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:28,480 Sir Barristan glanced toward the throne. 2610 02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:32,879 He had served so many kings, he could not help but imagine how 2611 02:18:32,879 --> 02:18:35,480 they might have reacted to this provocation. 2612 02:18:35,680 --> 02:18:39,320 Aries would have flinched away in horror, likely cutting 2613 02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:43,320 himself on the barbs of the Iron Throne, then shrieked at his 2614 02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:46,040 swordsman to cut the youngkish men to pieces. 2615 02:18:46,280 --> 02:18:50,440 Robert would have shouted for his hammer to repay Blood Beard 2616 02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:54,400 in kind. Even Jaharis reckoned weak by 2617 02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:57,879 many, it would have ordered the arrest of Blood Beard and the 2618 02:18:57,879 --> 02:19:01,639 youngkish slavers. So he acknowledges that Jaharius 2619 02:19:01,639 --> 02:19:04,959 may have been considered weak by others given his physical 2620 02:19:04,959 --> 02:19:08,639 sickliness, but he absolutely doesn't agree with that view. 2621 02:19:08,639 --> 02:19:10,600 It's just pretty clear, even though he doesn't come out and 2622 02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:13,200 say it, that he doesn't see it that way. 2623 02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:15,840 He he had some admiration for for Jaharius. 2624 02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:21,200 In fact, that may stem in part because he had some physical 2625 02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:23,360 setbacks. He may have looked on that as 2626 02:19:23,360 --> 02:19:26,480 something that he overcame and respects him for. 2627 02:19:26,480 --> 02:19:29,760 It I agree with that. I mean, I think that Barristan 2628 02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:34,520 is clearly turned off by how his daughter reacts, which is which 2629 02:19:34,520 --> 02:19:36,639 is you know why why he's thinking about this. 2630 02:19:37,160 --> 02:19:43,120 This is to your point, this is a shocking move to not just kill a 2631 02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:46,639 hostage, but then to throw the head on the ground. 2632 02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:50,640 I mean, that is just like it is a deliberate provocation. 2633 02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:53,000 They are, they are looking for war here. 2634 02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:57,000 And so I think as Barristan is thinking about this, he's 2635 02:19:57,000 --> 02:20:01,400 thinking, well, any king worth his salt would have to respond 2636 02:20:01,400 --> 02:20:03,680 to that. And yeah, you could be a king 2637 02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:06,920 like a robber who is very much a warrior king. 2638 02:20:07,080 --> 02:20:10,000 He wants to go into war about this, right that very moment. 2639 02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:14,160 And you could be a violent king like heiress and say, well, 2640 02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:15,840 someone else has to cut him down. 2641 02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:19,320 But I think. Barristan realizes even someone 2642 02:20:19,320 --> 02:20:22,080 like a Jaharis, no, he's not going to pick up his own sword 2643 02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:25,000 or call for his own sword. He's not, you know, either 2644 02:20:25,000 --> 02:20:27,200 warlike like that or violent like that. 2645 02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:30,600 But he's got to recognize this is not right. 2646 02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:33,440 This is not what you do with hostages. 2647 02:20:33,800 --> 02:20:36,600 This is something that has to be responded to. 2648 02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:40,000 And, and I think that it's interesting that Barristan says, 2649 02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:43,280 well, Jaharis would have ordered the arrest of Blood Beard and 2650 02:20:43,280 --> 02:20:48,000 youngish slavers. Is Barristan thinking of Jaharis 2651 02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,920 as following in his own father's footsteps? 2652 02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:54,680 Because what does Egg do when Bloodraven has Amy Spotfire 2653 02:20:54,680 --> 02:20:56,080 murdered? He arrests him. 2654 02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:57,840 That's the first thing that he does. 2655 02:20:58,480 --> 02:21:01,360 I think that if Barristan, Barristan may not be literally 2656 02:21:01,360 --> 02:21:04,240 thinking about that moment, but in thinking about Jaharis in 2657 02:21:04,240 --> 02:21:08,120 this way, he may unconsciously be comparing Jaharis to his own 2658 02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:12,840 father as someone who, when he sees an injustice done, he's 2659 02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:15,800 going to prosecute that. He's going to make sure that the 2660 02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:20,000 wrongdoers are promptly and properly arrested and brought to 2661 02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:21,640 justice. I agree. 2662 02:21:22,120 --> 02:21:26,320 One final very minor character that might have a connection 2663 02:21:26,320 --> 02:21:29,880 here is Squire Dollbridge. Now if you don't recall who that 2664 02:21:29,880 --> 02:21:32,560 is, it's one of Corin's band, Corin Half Hands. 2665 02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:36,680 He was the elite Archer that guarded the past, that helped 2666 02:21:36,680 --> 02:21:40,960 them make their attempted escape, and he was supposedly 2667 02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:45,920 the Squire for a king. Now Aries wasn't likely to be 2668 02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:51,760 possible because of the age, and that also eliminates Robert from 2669 02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:55,080 contention because Squire Dalbridge is not a young man. 2670 02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,800 So Jaharis is probably our best bet. 2671 02:21:57,920 --> 02:22:00,880 And we know that Jaharis was on the battlefield at least once, 2672 02:22:00,880 --> 02:22:04,960 and he would have worn armor at other times, perhaps for stately 2673 02:22:04,960 --> 02:22:09,760 events or other occasions, so he would have needed help dressing 2674 02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:11,120 up. That's the thing, even even if 2675 02:22:11,120 --> 02:22:12,800 he wasn't on the battlefield very often, he still would have 2676 02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:15,160 a Squire. So it's a pretty interesting 2677 02:22:15,160 --> 02:22:17,680 connection and a possible fit. Not a whole lot to say about it, 2678 02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:20,520 but a fun little piece of world building that adds some 2679 02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:22,680 connections between places you wouldn't expect it. 2680 02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:26,000 I agreed and I think well, and and I'll know, although it's 2681 02:22:26,080 --> 02:22:29,480 obviously semi canonical, the worldwide inspire app does 2682 02:22:29,480 --> 02:22:33,480 explicitly identify Jaharis as the king that Dahlberg squired 2683 02:22:33,480 --> 02:22:36,080 for again, semi canonical, but take that for what it's worth. 2684 02:22:36,400 --> 02:22:39,760 I I do agree though, that that that just makes sense for for 2685 02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:41,080 every other reason that you lay out. 2686 02:22:41,080 --> 02:22:44,800 And I think that, you know, it doesn't have to be the case in 2687 02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:49,560 Westeros, although it's typical, if not, you know, almost always 2688 02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:52,480 that a Squire is going to Squire for an anointed knight. 2689 02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:55,200 Doesn't have to be the case. We've got Oliver, Fred, who 2690 02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:57,760 Squires for Rob. Rob is not an anointed knight, 2691 02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:01,680 but he's a king, He's a warrior. And so it's it's no shame for 2692 02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:04,600 Oliver to Squire for him. Similar story. 2693 02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:07,560 Well, perhaps not so similar, but similar in the sense that 2694 02:23:07,560 --> 02:23:10,600 not a knight with Podrick painting Tyrion, Tyrion is 2695 02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:12,200 obviously not an anointed knight. 2696 02:23:12,200 --> 02:23:15,280 He's never going to be an anointed knight, probably, but 2697 02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:17,840 Podrick is still squiring for him him because while he's sort 2698 02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:21,680 of a tangential Lannister retainer and Tyrion is a 2699 02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:26,160 high-ranking Lannister. So I think even if Saharis was 2700 02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:30,320 never formally knighted, even if he was never trained formally in 2701 02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:32,960 knighthood or fully in knighthood, it's only been very 2702 02:23:32,960 --> 02:23:36,520 possible that he had Squires simply because he was a Prince 2703 02:23:36,520 --> 02:23:38,040 and a king. And that's what a Prince and a 2704 02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:40,080 king does. He has Squires. 2705 02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:43,800 He has Squires that he at least nominally trained in the arts of 2706 02:23:43,800 --> 02:23:48,400 war and and I like the idea that especially if Jaharis was not 2707 02:23:48,400 --> 02:23:50,720 knighted and so couldn't knight Dollbridge himself. 2708 02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:56,640 Maybe Dollbridge took the black either after Jaharis's death or 2709 02:23:56,640 --> 02:24:01,080 after, you know, Robert's Rebellion, because he says I I 2710 02:24:01,080 --> 02:24:05,240 don't want the honor like I squired for a king so no one 2711 02:24:05,240 --> 02:24:08,320 else can do the honor for me. Like no one else could be as 2712 02:24:08,320 --> 02:24:11,600 high as to Harris tonight. Me, I won't accept that for 2713 02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:14,080 anyone else. I don't want to accept loyalty 2714 02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:17,720 to anyone else because that would be degrading in my eyes. 2715 02:24:17,720 --> 02:24:22,120 Stepping down because I squired for a king like that was, that 2716 02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:24,400 was the height of of what I could do. 2717 02:24:24,400 --> 02:24:27,280 So anything else is lesser. I'm either going to devote 2718 02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,880 myself to the Targaryens and then go to the Wall after, as so 2719 02:24:29,880 --> 02:24:32,920 many, you know, Targaryen loyalists were, or I might just 2720 02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:37,040 go to the ball directly and say my life, my life ends with 2721 02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:39,360 Jaharis. If he's dead, then I'm just 2722 02:24:39,360 --> 02:24:40,600 going to resign myself to the ball. 2723 02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:43,840 And if Jaharis, if he perceived Jaharis as someone that was 2724 02:24:43,840 --> 02:24:46,480 really giving himself to the realms, one that was genuine 2725 02:24:46,840 --> 02:24:49,560 carer for the realmi of compassion for his subjects or 2726 02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:53,920 really wanted to do right by them, then his Squire might have 2727 02:24:53,920 --> 02:24:57,640 that same attitude and would see service to the Night's Watch as 2728 02:24:57,640 --> 02:25:01,920 a very good way to continue that work in a in a humble way 2729 02:25:02,280 --> 02:25:04,760 befitting a Squire. Yeah, I like that a lot. 2730 02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:06,800 It's a good it's a very good small story. 2731 02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:11,480 A very has a beginning and A and a tragic end, but a heroic end 2732 02:25:11,480 --> 02:25:14,160 of his own. So yeah, he had his long career 2733 02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:17,200 and hopefully they're united in death. 2734 02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:20,360 Squire Dollbridge and Jaharius the second having a beer and an 2735 02:25:20,400 --> 02:25:23,960 ale in the afterlife. There in the somewhere there 2736 02:25:24,160 --> 02:25:25,640 with the 7 overlook. If only. 2737 02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:29,320 If only Stone Snake had squired for a day or so, we could have 2738 02:25:29,360 --> 02:25:31,920 some more information. On He's still out there. 2739 02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:33,920 He's still. Out there somewhere, yeah. 2740 02:25:34,360 --> 02:25:36,560 Hopefully he got all the information from Squire 2741 02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:38,200 Dollbridge. They did a info dump, right? 2742 02:25:39,880 --> 02:25:43,000 Like many key figures from the decades just before Song of Ice 2743 02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:45,360 and Fire. There's a decent chance, if not 2744 02:25:45,360 --> 02:25:47,920 a strong chance, we learn more about Jaharis the Second as the 2745 02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:50,560 story unfolds. Because, well, Barrison could 2746 02:25:50,560 --> 02:25:55,280 think about him again. Or the prophecy could be spelled 2747 02:25:55,280 --> 02:25:59,160 out to us in ways that validate his beliefs or expand on them. 2748 02:25:59,320 --> 02:26:02,800 The Ghost of High Heart could have some more say in it, or we 2749 02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:05,840 could hear more about her. Rhaegar information, Summerhall, 2750 02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:09,320 the Blackfires, Queen Shara. There's a lot of characters that 2751 02:26:09,560 --> 02:26:11,800 have connection to him and a lot of plot lines that have 2752 02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:15,320 connection to him. And yeah, that gives us a sense 2753 02:26:15,320 --> 02:26:17,760 that there's more to tell someday. 2754 02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:20,960 Let us know what you thought of this episode and this character. 2755 02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:24,240 It's a very wide open subject and we would love to hear from. 2756 02:26:24,240 --> 02:26:26,480 You about it? The size of the list of 2757 02:26:26,480 --> 02:26:30,360 connected episodes is further more tangible evidence of how 2758 02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:33,960 important Jerry's the second is. I mean, we did 2 episodes on the 2759 02:26:33,960 --> 02:26:36,760 War of Ninepenny Kings, like 8 episodes on the Black Fire 2760 02:26:36,760 --> 02:26:39,080 Rebellions, an episode on the Ghost of High Heart, 2 episodes 2761 02:26:39,080 --> 02:26:41,680 of Summer Hall. So these are really important 2762 02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:45,920 topics, not just a nice variety of them that he was hooked into. 2763 02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:47,640 So I think that's a noteworthy as well. 2764 02:26:47,920 --> 02:26:49,600 Well, thanks Nina, this is a lot of fun. 2765 02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:51,760 We had a great time talking about this episode. 2766 02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:55,440 You wrote a lot of great things for us to discuss and I was able 2767 02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:58,120 to add a few things myself, of course, and I hope folks are 2768 02:26:58,120 --> 02:26:59,080 happy with it. So I. 2769 02:26:59,360 --> 02:27:01,240 Do I do? Too People can find you at 2770 02:27:01,360 --> 02:27:04,720 People can find you at good queenalley.tumblr.com as usual 2771 02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:07,680 with that 1L in alley. If you want to hear other 2772 02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:10,600 episodes that we did with Nina, if you haven't heard them 2773 02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:14,040 already, we have the Ryam red wine one most recently and a 2774 02:27:14,040 --> 02:27:16,200 trio of Baylor the blessed episodes that we had a great. 2775 02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:19,360 Time way too much to say about Baylor the Blessed so you can 2776 02:27:19,560 --> 02:27:23,520 go. Well, he reigned for about 3 2777 02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:26,520 times longer than Jerry, so it's about you. 2778 02:27:26,600 --> 02:27:31,160 Get you get as many episodes as you had at Rainforest so. 2779 02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:34,920 Yeah, we, we, it's, it's roughly like an hour per year or 2780 02:27:34,920 --> 02:27:36,080 something. We'll do it. 2781 02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:37,920 We'll do it. We'll do A10 part series on to 2782 02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:39,560 Harris the first someday. It'll be fine. 2783 02:27:40,400 --> 02:27:45,400 Oh God. Thanks to Joey Townsend for our 2784 02:27:45,400 --> 02:27:48,880 theme music and to Michael Klarfeld for our intro video and 2785 02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:52,080 for the maps you see behind me in pretty much every episode. 2786 02:27:52,280 --> 02:27:56,960 Check him out at claradocs.de. And now our Patreon credits for 2787 02:27:56,960 --> 02:28:00,400 those loyal supporters of History of Westeros podcast. 2788 02:28:00,920 --> 02:28:03,960 Our Hand of the King is a base born man, Jack, literally just a 2789 02:28:03,960 --> 02:28:06,080 drunken Spearman. Gods help us. 2790 02:28:06,680 --> 02:28:08,680 Lord Jim. The fortuitous of Wars and 2791 02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:12,880 politics of Ice and Fire. Blog and Warden of the West, the 2792 02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:15,440 Bethy and Frozen, Lord of the Bricks and Castle, Crimson 2793 02:28:15,440 --> 02:28:18,080 Light, Defender of the Old Gods and Warden of the North. 2794 02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:21,920 Andrew of House Crane, Lord of Red Lake, Keeper of the Bloodied 2795 02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:26,160 Waters and Warden of the South. Wings of gold, wings of silver, 2796 02:28:27,120 --> 02:28:29,880 Our Warden of the East is nobody help. 2797 02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:33,680 The elite from outside the realm include Pirate Queen Kerry, a 2798 02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:37,360 Storm of Secrets of the Sea Captain, Queen of Depth Feeder 2799 02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:41,080 which has sent countless ships to the bottom of the sea, Jenny, 2800 02:28:41,080 --> 02:28:44,000 the just captain of the ghost ship Liberty, which vanished in 2801 02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:46,840 the Shivering Sea over a century ago but has recently been 2802 02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:50,040 sighted near Volantis. If the tales can be believed, 2803 02:28:50,960 --> 02:28:54,560 our White Walker patron is Nevada Pike, 4th of Frost, Frost 2804 02:28:54,560 --> 02:28:58,080 Kraken, drowned in ice, Commander of cats and krakens, 2805 02:28:58,680 --> 02:29:01,800 Our small council includes Lord Chris B of House Baelish. 2806 02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:06,320 Always keep your foes confused. Master of Whisperers, Brown Dan, 2807 02:29:06,320 --> 02:29:09,920 Lord of House Windsor, Master of karate, friendship for everyone 2808 02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:15,320 and ships, Lord Goodkill McGee, ruler of castle over Yonder and 2809 02:29:15,320 --> 02:29:18,360 Master of Laws and Grand Maester Scotty. 2810 02:29:18,800 --> 02:29:22,040 Our Lords and ladies include Lady Dyer, Liz of Castle Naki, 2811 02:29:22,040 --> 02:29:25,320 the Alpha patron, Gregor the Toasty, Lord of the Bread Fort, 2812 02:29:25,560 --> 02:29:28,880 the Bastard of the Wolfswood, First Forester of the Old Gods, 2813 02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:32,200 sworn to House Ironware wood. Listen for the silence. 2814 02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:35,760 Lady Mara of House Stark, arch mistress of apothecaries and 2815 02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:37,960 woodswitch. Her castle features weirwood 2816 02:29:37,960 --> 02:29:42,560 doors with painted moons. Lena Snow, the Twilight Star 2817 02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:45,640 bastard, daughter of Dane, wife of the Trickster and Lady of 2818 02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:49,520 Castle Rivia. Aminda Pink Wolf, lady and ruler 2819 02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:53,760 of Castle Whitefast. The ice emboldens Lord Benjen of 2820 02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:58,080 House Hornwood, Lady Rebecca Stark of Castle Aurora, wielder 2821 02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:01,440 of a weirwood bow and Valyrian steel tip arrows, and friend of 2822 02:30:01,440 --> 02:30:04,280 Short Round. The direwolf Aurelian Mattheus 2823 02:30:04,280 --> 02:30:08,280 Rhesus, Lord of House Aurelian, ruler of Domus Aurelianus and 2824 02:30:08,280 --> 02:30:12,320 the Valley of Tanasi, wielder of Sol Invictus, possibly Valyrian 2825 02:30:12,320 --> 02:30:15,400 steel, keeper of the largest collection of books outside the 2826 02:30:15,400 --> 02:30:17,840 Citadel. We restore the world. 2827 02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:22,200 Lord Derian, the daring wielder of the Valyrian steel sword. 2828 02:30:22,200 --> 02:30:25,280 Wisdom, Lord of House Hollingsworth and the Hollihold 2829 02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:27,480 in Dorn. Power in Knowledge. 2830 02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:31,600 Gabe the Jade Blade whose foes are skewered and grilled. 2831 02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:35,480 Lady Maria of House High Tree, Lady of the Castle. 2832 02:30:35,480 --> 02:30:38,880 Fair Oak on the Crooked Lake Sigil is a long Grapevine with 2833 02:30:38,880 --> 02:30:41,560 dark green leaves and purple grapes winding around a 2834 02:30:41,560 --> 02:30:44,320 greystone pillar on a white field bordered by gold. 2835 02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:50,200 Ever watchful Lord Abelard of House Harkonen, Michael, Master 2836 02:30:50,200 --> 02:30:53,160 of the Grand Library, Patriarch of House Fine, Keeper of 2837 02:30:53,160 --> 02:30:57,920 Histories, Lord Samwise Kimchi of House Chronic, Higher than 2838 02:30:57,920 --> 02:31:01,680 Honor. The Queen's High Council has 2839 02:31:01,800 --> 02:31:06,920 Grand Archmaester Rennie, whose rod and ring and mask are quartz 2840 02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:11,920 Crystal, wielder of the Valyrian steel pen, fire and ink. 2841 02:31:13,320 --> 02:31:17,840 Lady Wolf Bird, Mistress of the Eastern Rivers, Gatekeeper of 2842 02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:22,160 the Northern Skies, Daughter of the Silver Sea, and our Master 2843 02:31:22,160 --> 02:31:28,040 of Coin, Devorah Lynn Blackwood, maker of the Frozen Fury muscle 2844 02:31:28,040 --> 02:31:32,960 bomb, eucalyptus and mint leaves washed with Dornish Peppers and 2845 02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:38,480 sealed by fire ants. Our Master of Laws, Lady Jane of 2846 02:31:38,480 --> 02:31:41,320 Driftmark, Guardian of Dragonstone. 2847 02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:48,360 The circling flame Burns Master of Ships and Lady Sonia of 2848 02:31:48,360 --> 02:31:53,200 Sunspear, keeper of the Martel Menagerie, Master of Castle 2849 02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:58,000 Tormira, Topanga tame and keep well, Master of whisperers. 2850 02:31:58,920 --> 02:32:01,960 Our Kingsguard includes Sir Dean, the White Knight of the 2851 02:32:01,960 --> 02:32:06,240 Black Star, Sir Bateman The Dark Knight, Lady Ani, Bringer of 2852 02:32:06,240 --> 02:32:09,160 Winter's Warning, Watcher in the Weirwood, Bearer of Wrist. 2853 02:32:09,160 --> 02:32:12,040 Wolves. Lord Jonathan of House Tanner. 2854 02:32:12,400 --> 02:32:16,080 Lord Ray Detto of House Avocado, Protector of the Royal Kitchens, 2855 02:32:16,520 --> 02:32:20,680 Green in the morning, Dark by evening, Lady Katie Cat Herder 2856 02:32:20,680 --> 02:32:23,800 of the Tobin Terrace and Royal Feline Advisor. 2857 02:32:24,560 --> 02:32:29,000 Our Queens guard is led by Lord Captain, Commander Hema, Hellman 2858 02:32:29,120 --> 02:32:33,160 the Cell Sword Sentinel, James the Green, Lord of the Meadows, 2859 02:32:33,480 --> 02:32:38,960 Keeper of the Trial of Grasses, Archmaester Vena whose ring, rod 2860 02:32:38,960 --> 02:32:44,520 and mask are made of steel not pudding, and Laura Boros, the 2861 02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:48,680 Lady of Infinity. Our beer guard features Lord 2862 02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:52,520 Commander George the Golden Lady, Rita of the Copper Maine 2863 02:32:52,520 --> 02:32:54,480 The Unbound Dance. The fervor. 2864 02:32:54,960 --> 02:32:59,680 Bloody Ben Blackwood and Big Brian Blackwood and Davin Mack. 2865 02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:03,680 Night of the Reeds. The Bog Night Our Northern 2866 02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:07,880 champions include J Wilson, Winter's King, Lady R Ardross, 2867 02:33:07,880 --> 02:33:10,640 Mother of Wolves, wielder of the Valyrian steel Claymore 2868 02:33:10,680 --> 02:33:15,200 Manticore, Lady Bobby of House Mitchell, Adalard the Wanderer, 2869 02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:17,240 wielder of the Valyrian steel axe Frost. 2870 02:33:17,240 --> 02:33:19,760 Fall. Aaron Snow, the Evergreen 2871 02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:22,640 bastard who made a vow to defend the North with his weirwood 2872 02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:24,240 handled axe. Timber fell. 2873 02:33:24,600 --> 02:33:26,760 Sir Peter, Knight of the Gallows Wood. 2874 02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:31,720 Lyanna Snow, the Raven in Winter, Tony of House Walowitza, 2875 02:33:31,720 --> 02:33:35,800 a family of war scouts. We scout the Way, the Bitter 2876 02:33:35,800 --> 02:33:41,960 Steel, Gandalf the White, Lord of House Seymourn, Jake Snow AKA 2877 02:33:41,960 --> 02:33:46,480 Jacob Ice Eyes, The Bastard of the Last River and Winter's 2878 02:33:46,480 --> 02:33:51,000 King, Lord of the First Men, and last but not least, the history 2879 02:33:51,000 --> 02:33:53,920 of Westeros. Night's Watch, led by Lord 2880 02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:56,760 Commander Richard the Liger, Heart wielder of Barry's ankle 2881 02:33:56,760 --> 02:34:00,320 Breaker, a flail with blue and silver Valyrian steel spikes. 2882 02:34:00,320 --> 02:34:04,080 Motto go blue. Sir Kobe of House Stonesmith 2883 02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:07,520 returns. Words are when deeds are stone. 2884 02:34:07,720 --> 02:34:11,760 He's the legitimate grandson of the Bastard of Runestone, First 2885 02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:15,480 Steward, Sir Zach of House Wild Lord Shredder of the Spiral, 2886 02:34:15,640 --> 02:34:17,920 wielder of the Valyrian steel axe Grail. 2887 02:34:18,440 --> 02:34:23,440 That's it for us, everybody. Until next time Valar reread us.