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Greek culture and history is so 
influential on the Western world

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and other places, not just the 
Western world. 

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We often don't realize something
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originated with them or was 
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inheriting it from some older 
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Greek influence is so ubiquitous
that sometimes we discover that 

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something we've known all our 
life had Greek origins. 

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We didn't know that part. 
We didn't know it was Greek to 

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begin with, but we've known it 
all our life. 

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Like inventions, philosophy, 
people, myths. 

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Some of those we do know, but we
lack context, right? 

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Most of us know a decent bit 
about their mythology. 

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All of you have heard of Zeus 
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about how they were worshipped 
and how the Greeks viewed them, 

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it's different than how we view 
them, for sure. 

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It's very different. 
You've also heard surely about 

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Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. 
We learned that in like 7th 

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grade or something here in the 
US. 

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But you've mostly heard about 
their ideas. 

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You've mostly heard about their 
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not them and not the context in 
which they lived and how their 

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ideas impacted people when they 
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fresh. 
And they did. 

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They lived in the era this 
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He died 399, and we're about to 
hit 382 here, so we're past him.

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But the other two are in this 
episode, 1 of the less pleasant 

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examples that we were reminded 
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constant back and forth between 
democracy and oligarchy, which, 

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hey, that's still playing out 
now, hasn't stopped. 

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Really, 2400 years later. 
Go back even farther. 

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Yeah, we're still playing that 
Game of Thrones in this era. 

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As we've said, it was not always
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And it's not all one sided. 
Even if you prefer democracy, as

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I do, and most of you probably 
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the downsides of both are on 
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This isn't going to be an all 
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shining example here. 
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very different from the 
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ancient Greece. 
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Oligarchies weren't as new. 
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older by quite a bit, but this 
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considered liberal and 
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Conservatives. 
Government aside, 1 is just 

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older than the other. 
With religion, it's much the 

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same. 
We don't worship The Olympian 

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gods now, but they're still 
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We still talk about them, 
they're still appearing here and

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there. 
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had endless conservative versus 
liberal debates in a variety of 

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theaters and topics and 
chronologies, fights, wars and 

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things like that rooted in 
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And this is true even if we 
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as in intra religious disputes 
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other Christians or Islam people
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Any of those examples we're not 
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different religions clashing 
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worshipped the same gods, but 
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One of the most fascinating 
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it reminds me of the Westerosi 
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there were only First Men, no 
and dolls yet is how there were 

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so many cities and towns in 
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had the same gods more or less, 
but they had different 

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relationships with them. 
Each city, state or city or even

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town or village had a unique 
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The Olympian gods, all sorts of 
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Sometimes it's pretty similar, 
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So that really reminds me of the
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just have a lot of dynasties and
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slowly moving towards larger 
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pretty much the same religious 
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fight over being over that, even
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umbrella. 
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job at capturing how real humans
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setting, the carry over here is 
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It it, it justifies and supports
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thorough and realistic George 
is, even in an unrealistic 

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setting. 
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looks like to us is an 
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talk about they have oracles, 
they, they have things that 

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don't seem like they could have 
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So they act on it as if it's 
true and that makes it real in a

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sense. 
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concepts, like the we talk about
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and ways of thinking or ways of 
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their origins, these kind of 
things, tropes, sometimes 

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they're tropes within stories. 
These have been appearing in 

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stories ever since we've had 
stories, which is farther back 

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than anyone knows. 
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at. 
He is a great world builder, but

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he's an even better storyteller.
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together, but because he's so 
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see how well this translates. 
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here continues as Sparta 
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Thebes while Athens looks to 
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dominance. 
Persia has war on many fronts 

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and ever worsening palace 
intrigue, making their 

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interference in Greece or lack 
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While the old kings Agisilaus 
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generation of leaders, warriors,
orators and innovators are 

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emerging throughout Greece. 
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Cabrius parasatus, Ethiquitis 
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the stories of Pelopitus and 
Epaminondas and many others 

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featuring a Song of Ice and Fire
counterparts and new characters.

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On top of that, this is Part 2 
of a multi part series made-up 

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of Fire and Blood and Aziz in 
Greece characters and parallels 

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to A Song of Ice and Fire set 
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largely true story that impacted
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All that and more on this 
episode of History of Westeros 

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Podcast. 
Hello and welcome back to 

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another episode of History and 
Westeros, our sub series that 

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we're growing as time goes on 
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parallels and origins and things
like that that have comfortable 

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comparisons within A Song of Ice
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Simple and sometimes a little 
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This is also an extension of our
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topic was chosen. 
It's another one that's grown 

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beyond the telling, but more so 
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But that's real life history for
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There's a lot to it, huh? 
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Or if you're watching this live 
here on YouTube, well, hit us 

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with questions here during the 
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Now, in 2025, I'm still catching
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Within the framework of A Song 
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That leads me to conclude that 
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parallels here between Greeks 
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Greeks and George's characters, 
there's surely some that I'm 

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missing. 
So I encourage you to speak up 

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if you catch any. 
Let us know whether you think 

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it's a small one, whether you 
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that one. 
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haven't. 
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It's always good to get feedback
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Let's start with the trivia 
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Who is said to be responsible 
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Thieves? 
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introduced to this episode. 
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They are the 300 men that are 
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and that's quite interesting. 
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episode and going forward. 
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functions as a stand alone this 
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does, but I think it's the most 
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And I don't know how many parts 
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it's going to take. 
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for most of y'all and we'll 
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maybe we'll look forward to 
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that we can do this with as 
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And of course, we're mostly 
focused on the characters as 

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always. 
That's always going to be where 

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I start and finish and focus on.
That's the most fun thing, the 

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people, right? 
That's what George has really 

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emphasized for us within A Song 
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carrying that over here to real 
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The fog of history ensures that 
we'll never truly know what 

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happened, but that's something 
George captures as well. 

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There's lots of things within 
the story we're never going to 

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get answers for. 
Most of those are things within 

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the world building and not 
within the story, but within the

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story too. 
We're never going to know what 

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certain characters we're 
thinking or we're really 

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happened with certain 
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mundane ones. 
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So let's get a quick run through
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idea of what topics we're 
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get right to it. 
We have the Spartan occupation 

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continues. 
We have fire and blood and 

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smoke. 
We have the sacred band of 

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thieves. 
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their main symbol, the Boesian 
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whenever we change years, I'll 
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other important cultural moments
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This is roughly the year 382. 
We're going to be dealing with a

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few things that are elsewhere 
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chronology isn't always certain,
but it's very close to this 

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time. 
I just allow us once said by 

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sowing frugality, we reap 
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It's I get what he's saying, but
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He certainly got into the whole 
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player that Sparta had tried to 
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So Leontides, he was the man 
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oligarch that led the coup, and 
he was kind of in charge from 

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that point on. 
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Palopitus and the prominent 
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aggressive and outspoken, a lot 
of them fled rather than get 

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caught up in this coup, 
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the most powerful. 
See been Democrat as many as 

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shortly after the coup and he 
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So that's part of what made the 

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whole thing such a big surprise 
was that you still had the same 

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leaders, but something very 
different happened, which was of

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course, this coup. 
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He even though the city was well
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he knew those Democrats that got
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So he sent out assassins. 
Now the assassins were not 

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terribly successful, but they 
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Amongst the Democrats. 
It happened to be the leader. 

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They only got 1 kill, but it was
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So he went down, whereas all the
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followers managed to either 
defeat the assassins or get 

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away. 
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He I can picture him fighting 
off an assassin. 

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Very aggressive, proud, zealous 
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Not shy about fighting. 
I can almost picture him 

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defeating the assassin that came
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Especially if he was in a group 
and this just spurred on their 

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their need to do something about
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They can. 
Not only has their city been 

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taken, but they're getting 
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So this gives them less to lose.
If they're if they're still a 

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target of murder, then there's 
less risk in them putting 

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themselves at risk to try and 
win their city back. 

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I mean, they're already at risk 
of getting killed just sitting 

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there, so they may as well try 
to accomplish something right 

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now. 
Lee and Tides had also worked 

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the Spartan angle here since 
they were his friends. 

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He had been pro Spartan for a 
long time. 

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He wanted some official 
recognition here. 

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Yes, Sparta had to say, Oh yeah,
we broke the King's peace. 

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We're not supposed to do that. 
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hypocritical they were about 
that. 

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They didn't really punish 
Foibidas, it just allows paid 

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the fine he was given. 
So there was really no charge at

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all. 
So the hypocrisy was on on 

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display here. 
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yes, Leontides, we support you, 
we're on your side, We sign off 

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on your deeds and giving that 
which gives them greater 

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political validity. 
It also puts some force of arms 

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behind it like, well, if you 
don't agree with me, take it up 

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with Sparta, right? 
And no one wants to do that, 

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especially not at this era where
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land in centuries and not in any
not in any battle of 

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significance. 
So that's how he was able to 

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execute as many as was was 
partly because of this backing 

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from Sparta. 
And he knew he'd get this 

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backing probably because it was 
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disallows as we all said. 
So as I said that this backfired

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a bit because they only killed 
Andrew Cleides. 

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And not only did that spur the 
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action because they were afraid 
of getting murdered, so they had

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to go take out the guy that was 
murdering them, but it put 

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Pelopitus in charge instead of 
the cautious elder Andrew 

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Cleides, who had a more patient,
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Let's see how it works out. 
Let's try to talk to people. 

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Let's see what happens. 
Let it play out. 

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Polopitus was like, no, let's 
go. 

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I am a man of action, not a man 
of talk. 

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I want to take our city back. 
Now. 

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That said, he had to spend some 
time getting people to agree 

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with him that while this was 
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increasing their hold on the 
region. 

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They didn't just stop at holding
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smaller cities that were allied 
to Thebes and putting their own 

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garrisons in there, including 
the closest cities, the places 

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like Platia and Thespia. 
Those are really close to 

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Thebes, like 10-15 miles away. 
Now these are puppet regimes, of

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course. 
They just install whoever the 

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local rich folk oligarchs are, 
the ones who have the ambition 

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to lead. 
They put them in charge with 

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Spartan garrisons to back them 
up. 

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So this is another ascent of 
power. 

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So they're not only do they 
expand on the capture of 

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thieves, they're trying to 
capture and control thieves as 

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former allies, which is one way 
of really locking things down. 

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And this is another thing that 
was predicted when Sparta was 

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put in charge of the Persian 
King's peace that we discussed 

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last time. 
It was supposed to keep Greece 

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in line and keep them from 
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But really what it did was give 
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dominate the entire peninsula of
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and the northern part where 
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different. 
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Thebes. 
We had the hostile, aggressive, 

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passionate party now led by 
Palopitus. 

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But his contemporary Epaminondas
favored patient and less violent

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resistance. 
He was definitely a long game 

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kind of guy. 
He took a bit of a risk by 

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staying behind. 
He didn't flee with the rest of 

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the Exiles, but his philosophy 
made him poor on by choice. 

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He was he lived a life of 
poverty because he thought it 

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was morally correct. 
That also had the effect of 

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making him seem like less a 
threat. 

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They're like, well, what is what
threat is this guy? 

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He's just a a poor guy that 
like, what's he going to do? 

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He's not going to bring a bunch 
of warriors in. 

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How could he do that? 
He's got no money. 

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especially because of Persia. 
This guy with no money, he 

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didn't seem like a threat. 
Mistake. 

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That was a mistake, and Pam 
Anandis would very soon become 

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known in Sparta as one of their 
biggest enemies. 

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But they certainly didn't catch 
it. 

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At this point. 
Sparta's not necessarily good at

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then. 
I don't have much imagination. 

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A very conservative state in 
that sense. 

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They try to keep things the way 
they are. 

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They prefer the old way. 
The Pam Anandis was very 

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innovative and creative and 
thinking of new ways to do 

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things, things that Sparta had 
never considered. 

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So a very interesting thing 
about Epaminondas, he and his 

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Palopitus both came from pretty 
good families, Palopitus even 

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more so. 
But Epaminondas, as I said, he 

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kind of shunned a lot of the 
wealth and, you know, privilege 

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that came with that station. 
He thought it was more noble and

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ethical to adopt AA poor 
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a poor person, which is only a 
Sparta. 

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You can see how that kind of 
agrees with some things they 

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were trying to do in Sparta, but
it it was more lip service than 

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reality in this era. 
Sparta was falling off of a lot 

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of those values. 
But you can see how this is a 

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similar thing like your your 
life is more noble and honorable

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when you aren't distracted by 
money. 

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Money is such as money makes you
a slave of your money. 

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That was a a common belief in 
ancient Greece. 

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We can see that now too. 
That hasn't changed, has it? 

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Some people absolutely are 
slaves to their own money. 

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You may be rich and I think 
think it, you know, takes you 

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away from some of the the 
burdens of the world, but it can

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also trap you if you aren't 
careful. 

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So Epam Anandis and his brother 
were Pythagoreans. 

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Now his mother and father or 
their mother and father were 

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alive at this time, too. 
This is pretty interesting. 

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Pythagoreans. 
What is that? 

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You all have probably heard of a
Pythagorean theorem. 

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Yeah. 
Pythagoras was super 

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interesting. 
He was. 

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He was almost a cult leader at 
this time, but he was very 

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obsessed with the idea that the 
whole universe functioned via 

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math. 
He's kind of right. 

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I mean, to a certain extent he 
is. 

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There's certainly a lot of math 
you can deduce from the 

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universe. 
A lot of math underpins a lot of

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what's going on out there. 
That doesn't mean it's the point

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or the purpose or the full 
explanation. 

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But he was way ahead of his time
in thinking that. 

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However he approached it, you 
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culty, as I said. 
Now, he had died well before any

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of this, maybe a hundred, 150 
years. 

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The Pythagoreans were not very 
liked. 

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A lot of other people saw them 
as some weird cult. 

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Hey, and who are they to speak? 
They're sacrificing animals to 

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deities all the time. 
But yet these guys are weird 

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'cause they like numbers. 
Yeah. 

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Anyway, he was also vegetarian, 
which is odd for that era, but 

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cool, you know, interesting. 
A very high minded individual, 

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despite being kind of weird and 
and a little, little 

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unscrupulous at times. 
Like he at one point went, he 

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hid himself in a basement for a 
month and then came out all like

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white face 'cause he was pale 
from not having been in the sun 

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and he was a little emaciated 
from lack of eating. 

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He claimed he had been to the 
underworld, which come on man, 

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you weren't to the you. 
You didn't go to the underworld,

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you were in your basement. 
Anyway, something that happened 

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multiple times to the 
Pythagoreans was firebomb 

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attacks. 
People would find their 

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headquarters, their meeting 
place, and try to burn them all 

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alive while they were in there. 
This had been multiple times. 

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This may have even been how 
Pythagoras died. 

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Now there was a Pythagorean 
student called Lysus. 

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Lysus fled to Thebes after one 
of these. 

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Well, it was actually called 
Pythagorean Holocaust. 

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Holocaust with a lowercase H 
'cause this is the the 

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dictionary definition of Greek 
Holocaust is just people dying 

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by fire. 
And so he fled. 

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He was one of the few people 
that survived. 

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He fled to Thebes and 
Epaminondas family took him in. 

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He lived with them. 
And so Epaminonis and his 

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brother Capisidoris were 
students of Lysis or students of

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Pythagoreas through Lysis. 
And when Lysis died, they buried

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him themselves. 
They dug his grave, Epaminonis 

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and his brother. 
So they're very impacted by his 

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philosophy, very high minded, 
very, you know, thoughtful, but 

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also men of Thebes, people that 
are in the midst of a 

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revolution. 
And so yes, all these high 

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minded ideals exist, but there's
no place in this world for 

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people who are against violence 
entirely. 

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That just isn't going to fly in 
this era. 

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So, and Epomenons was not 
ignorant of that. 

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As part of his long game, he 
would train the young man of 

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Thebes. 
Very normal for Greeks of all 

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statuses, but on cities to do 
exercise the gymnasium. 

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That's a Greek word common. 
It was very common for people to

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exercise in groups, especially 
young men. 

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It was considered important. 
I mean it is today too. 

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It is important, right? 
Exercise is is very useful and 

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and good for you, right. 
So what happened was he would 

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encourage the Theban youths to 
challenge the Spartan Garrison 

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men to wrestling matches. 
Nothing strange about this is 

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normal. 
Like wrestling is a sport. 

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It would be like challenging 
them to a game of pick up 

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basketball. 
Like, sure, let's let's play a 

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game of basketball. 
And whenever the Thebans would 

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win, they'd be like they'd be a 
little proud. 

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And Epaminos would approach them
and say something like, you're 

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proud of beating the Spartans, 
huh? 

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That's good. 
Yeah, you should be. 

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Then why are we still living 
under their occupation? 

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You're able to beat them, but 
we're still dominated by them. 

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There's they own our city, huh? 
You know? 

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So he started to get that into 
their minds. 

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It's to spread that plant that 
seed that like, hey, if we're 

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capable of beating them, doesn't
that make it all the more 

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shameful that we're conquered by
them? 

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We can we we're proving that we 
can beat them, right, Even 

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though it's just wrestling, you 
know, it's not combat. 

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It's not, you know, Shields and 
Spears and swords, but still, it

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makes them think they can win in
war if they can win in practice 

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war, right? 
It still gives them some 

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confidence. 
And the whole shame angle worked

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a little bit. 
A lot of them are like, you 

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know, he's kind of got a point 
there. 

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So that but like I said, that's 
a long game. 

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You can't just drop that on 
somebody and expect them to 

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immediately turn and go, let's 
get the Spartans, let's fight 

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them now. 
It's something that you have to 

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kind of ponder and let other 
people talk about. 

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Let all the young men of Thebes 
get the idea and slowly build 

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that fire within them and slowly
build that confidence too. 

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But one thing he also did 
differently was he didn't just 

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do this with the middle class 
and wealthier youth. 

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He taught the the poor of Thebes
as well, who are normally not 

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really included in these things.
Like they're often not included 

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in things in modern times that 
just like in any society, the 

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poorest of the poor often just 
get ignored or forgotten or 

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trampled on or one, one or more 
versions of that. 

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The Pam Anandis was not about 
that. 

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He's like, no, we're all thebans
here. 

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If we're going to throw off the 
yoke of Sparta, we're going to 

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need all the help we can get. 
And he was very respected, not 

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just because of his demeanor and
because of his discipline and 

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personal self-control. 
He was also descended from the 

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Spartioy. 
Nothing to do with Sparta. 

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A similar word Spartioy 
translates as something familiar

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here. 
Dragon men. 

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Dragon men, yes, they were this 
legendary mythical foundation of

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Thebes. 
There was a guy Cadmus. 

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That's why the their main Fort, 
it's called the Cadmia. 

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Cadmus fought this dragon back 
in the day that was guarding the

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important body of water. 
Like Copeus, I think it is near 

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00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:37,040
Thebes and when when he killed 
that dragon, he took some of the

453
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,640
teeth and sewed them into the 
ground and they grew up. 

454
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,360
They popped out of the ground as
these so-called Spartioi, the 

455
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,040
fighting men they were, they 
came out fighting immediately 

456
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,760
dragon men because they came 
from dragon teeth. 

457
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,360
So this was a an important like 
bloodline to be a part of a lot 

458
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,080
of Thebes. 
Theben men were part of that. 

459
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840
But Epaminon just could very 
clearly trace his descent to 

460
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,360
that, at least in terms of how 
they believe these things. 

461
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,600
So this is a whole generation of
Theben men under an occupation 

462
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,480
that at this point, let's say, 
is going to take a few years. 

463
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,920
And, you know, you keep kept. 
He very gradually taught them 

464
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,520
that, hey, you can beat Sparta. 
Now, let's not forget how 

465
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,320
pervasive the view of Spartan 
dominance was throughout Greece.

466
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,720
It just allows us and other 
Spartan kings had learned to use

467
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,200
fear of Sparta as a weapon as 
much as their actual infantry 

468
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,240
and armies were a weapon. 
So a charismatic veteran hip 

469
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,760
arc. 
Hip arc means cavalry commander.

470
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,560
Lots of arcs, you know, like 
you've seen Trier arc and and 

471
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,760
other arcs within George's 
writings. 

472
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Those are all Greek titles to 
this guy, Gorgadas, he was 

473
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,920
bullied by the Spartans. 
They were like, hey, we hear 

474
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,560
that you spark. 
Are you Thebans? 

475
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,200
When one of you was sworn in as 
a cavalry commander, you're 

476
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,840
brought to the secret tomb of 
Dercy. 

477
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,240
Anyone who's going to be sworn 
in as a cavalry leader goes to 

478
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,240
this secret tomb. 
They don't tell anybody else 

479
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,840
where it is. 
And you do like a little ritual.

480
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,000
Now he's like, no, I'm not 
telling you where to get this. 

481
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Now, remember what I said last 
time. 

482
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,960
The Spartans were big on tombs. 
They wanted to harness the power

483
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,480
of heroic and legendary and 
mythical tombs. 

484
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,000
This is something they tried to 
do all throughout Greece was 

485
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000
like, take the sacred artifacts 
and bring them back to Sparta. 

486
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,080
It would make their city state 
more powerful. 

487
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,400
That's what they believed. 
That's what they were doing 

488
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,040
here. 
They're like, hey, Gorgodas, 

489
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,120
give us the access to that tomb 
or else. 

490
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,160
Gorgonas is a bit of a Blackfish
character, tough guy, cavalry 

491
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,400
commander had been around a 
while. 

492
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,360
I, I don't know how we don't 
actually know how old he was, 

493
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:43,160
but I get the vibe that he's an 
older guy that's part of this 

494
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,280
youth movement, like an older 
man that's caught that's helping

495
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,200
the youth as part of a, a 
change, you know, an era of 

496
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,080
change here. 
So because of his courage, 

497
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,240
because he just flatly refused 
and showed No Fear in this, they

498
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280
backed down the Spartan. 
The Spartans were like, all 

499
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,480
right, well, we respect your 
courage here. 

500
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,320
Plus they respect the religious 
vow he must have taken. 

501
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,240
Remember the Spartans, very 
pious. 

502
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,160
Sometimes you could use this 
against them. 

503
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,400
He's like, look, I took a vow to
the gods not to reveal. 

504
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,960
It's not me. 
I'm not saying it's not my 

505
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,000
personal wish. 
I took a vow to the gods not to 

506
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,760
reveal this, and I cannot break 
that vow. 

507
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,920
You, you understand, Spartans, 
you're pious. 

508
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200
Something like that happened. 
They're like, actually, that's a

509
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,320
good point. 
All right, fine. 

510
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:31,200
Another man, Philidas, he played
the long game rather than being 

511
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,400
exiled, rather than sticking 
around like Epaminondas and sort

512
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:41,040
of playing a long game in terms 
of resistance by teaching people

513
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,280
how to resist and encouraging 
them to. 

514
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,040
He was a bit of a mole. 
He pretended to be an oligarch 

515
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,080
and he was. 
He's talented. 

516
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,480
He worked his way up to be chief
of staff to the Polymarks, the 

517
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,800
three polymarks of of Thebes. 
He was like their assistant, 

518
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,800
their adjutant. 
And he was a mole though, so a 

519
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,400
mole to the polamarks. 
That makes him a mole, Mark. 

520
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,760
That's right. 
Now back in Sparta, Adisilaus 

521
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,560
had a growth on his good leg and
became I'll. 

522
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,080
So he was out of action for a 
little while and it looks like 

523
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,520
it might take his life. 
Let's see how we'll see what 

524
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,720
happens there. 
Meanwhile in Persia, let's 

525
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,080
remember our character Cabrias 
Cabrias the cockshore Cabrias 

526
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,440
the confident who I've I've had 
some had some time to think 

527
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,600
about him a little more and he's
Jaime Lannister. 

528
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,520
Y'all? 
He's a fancy Jaime Lannister, 

529
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,240
not the Jaime Lannister isn't 
fancy, but he's like if Jaime 

530
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,040
Lannister were even more of a 
spender and a guy who liked to 

531
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,400
show his wealth, which you know,
as a Lannister, that's just like

532
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,920
you're going to do that anyway, 
even just by living your life. 

533
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,520
So still a young guy, super 
confident, he hires himself out 

534
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,800
as a mercenary to Egypt to 
command armies for the arguably 

535
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,040
rebel pharaoh Hakour. 
It's like is he a rebel or not? 

536
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,960
And the reason it's it's unclear
is because Egypt broke away from

537
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,840
the Persian Empire quite a while
ago, like 20 years prior. 

538
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Are they still rebels? 
At this point it kind of feels 

539
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,680
like they've re established 
their independence. 

540
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,120
But Persia isn't done. 
They want to reconquer Egypt. 

541
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,800
So since before Artaxerxes took 
the throne, Egypt has been in 

542
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,360
rebellion. 
You could, like I said, you 

543
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,440
could arguably say they've just 
been independent, but Persia 

544
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,960
hadn't given up on it. 
They just were too distracted by

545
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,600
other things. 
Now it's very hard to invade 

546
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,720
Egypt. 
Just the natural defenses there,

547
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,920
the rivers, the Nile, all the 
different, all that stuff. 

548
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,000
It's really, really difficult. 
So Cabrios actually seems to 

549
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,360
have been hired by the general 
Nocturnebeth rather than 

550
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,360
directly by Pharaoh Hakour. 
And this tests the parameters of

551
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,720
the King's peace, doesn't it? 
This is a really like kind of 

552
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,840
skirting the line here. 
Maybe a letter of the law type 

553
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,760
of squeezing through here 
because Athens wasn't fighting 

554
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,000
against Persia, but their 
general was. 

555
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,920
Their general signed on with 
Egypt, but he signed on as a 

556
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,200
private citizen. 
It wasn't an official capacity. 

557
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,040
He's not there as a 
representative of Athens. 

558
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,720
So it's like, what? 
Well, is that violating the 

559
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,120
King's peace or not? 
So they're like, I don't really 

560
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,960
know now. 
Remember, Cabrios was already 

561
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,600
helping King Avagoris of Cyprus.
Cyprus is that island that sits 

562
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:30,040
off the coast there due east of 
Crete, and it's a it's off and 

563
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,280
on been its own Kingdom. 
It was trying to be at this 

564
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,440
point as Persia or as Egypt was 
trying to keep its independence.

565
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,600
Cyprus was as well and they were
working together for a bit. 

566
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,600
Hakor was sending money to 
Ivagoris. 

567
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,760
Ivagoris was fighting the 
Persians and Cabrias had already

568
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,640
helped King of Vegoris, he had 
already helped ambush a Spartan 

569
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,400
Garrison. 
He tricked them into emerging 

570
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,480
and and killed them. 
So Cabrias was showing a lot of 

571
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,840
that skill, a lot of that Jamie 
Landis, maybe a little bit of 

572
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,400
Robb Stark thrown in there too. 
Young man who was very good at 

573
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,040
at setting up ambushes and and 
leading men in in a tactical 

574
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,480
fashion. 
But also, as I said with Jamie, 

575
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,120
a kind of guy that people like 
to follow, a charismatic person 

576
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,360
whose confidence was infectious.
So Artaxerxes finally did get 

577
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,400
back around to preparing to 
reinvade Egypt after all these 

578
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,480
other things were happening. 
He gave the job to our friend 

579
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,400
Farnabazus, the paymaster, the 
one who would bribe the hell out

580
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,840
of Greece, the guy who got a 
just allow us to come back by 

581
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,640
bribing thieves to attack him. 
And he's like, he was trying to 

582
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,920
invade Persia, but Farnabazus 
bribed Greece enough to force it

583
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,400
just allow us to return. 
So he didn't do it himself. 

584
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,840
Ardizerxes appointed 
Farnabazzis, like I said, and 

585
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,480
Farnabazzis just really took a 
long time. 

586
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,680
We're not going to come back to 
this for a little while. 

587
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,920
Farnabazzis was as effective as 
he had been before. 

588
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,280
For some reason he was moving 
really slowly here. 

589
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,320
So we'll have to come back to 
this. 

590
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,760
But sticking with Persia, 
Ardizerxes actually did take the

591
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,080
field against with a huge army 
against an Iranian tribe called 

592
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,400
the Kadusii. 
Let's not forget Persia's center

593
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,280
of powers in modern day Iran. 
He took Tirabazzis with him, but

594
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,200
Tirabazzis was an important 
commander last time around too. 

595
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,880
Tirabazzis may be the only 
reason Artazzerxes got out of 

596
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,600
any of this alive. 
So Artazzerxes, maybe not 

597
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,960
listening to his more 
experienced commanders, just 

598
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,440
took his massive army into a 
very sparse territory where 

599
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,280
there isn't a lot of food, 
supplies run low and the army 

600
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,720
starts to face starvation. 
An important man the the satrap 

601
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:39,880
governor of Cappadocia was 
killed, but his son Datames, who

602
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,600
was of the royal bodyguard, the 
Kingsguard of Persia, 

603
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,640
distinguished himself. 
So you got 1 member of the 

604
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800
family dying. 
But this, this up and Comer 

605
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,920
really stands out. 
One of the most outstanding 

606
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,320
minimal campaign. 
But the more outstanding was 

607
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,560
Tirabazzis. 
As I said, he took a page from 

608
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920
the same well a Storm of Swords.
He took a took a page from Sam 

609
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,320
Tarley's book What Sam did to 
get John elected Lord Commander.

610
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,760
He told Dennis Mallister, 
they're going to pick Cotter 

611
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,880
Pike. 
You know, if, if, if you don't 

612
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,200
pick, if we don't pick now, 
Stannis is going to make Cotter 

613
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Pike our commander. 
Anyone told Cotter Pike, hey, if

614
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,160
we don't vote today and choose a
commander, Stannis is going to 

615
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,520
name Dennis Mallister. 
So he told the meats the 

616
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,680
opposite thing, got them to 
move. 

617
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,480
This exact same thing happened 
here. 

618
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,680
Tierra Basses went to one 
Kadusian faction, his son went 

619
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,280
to the other and they both said 
yo the other faction is agreeing

620
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,920
to peace with our king. 
You guys are going to be left 

621
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,600
out. 
They're going to. 

622
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,480
We're going to help them kill 
you unless you come to terms. 

623
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Also you better do that. 
It worked. 

624
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,320
Both factions of the Kaduciai 
hated each other enough that 

625
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,400
they believed this story and re 
established peace with our 

626
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,200
deserxes. 
So after the campaign to Tommies

627
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,440
who did such a great job. 
Datamies. 

628
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,600
Datamies. 
I don't know how to say it. 

629
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Datamies sounds cooler. 
That name means to whom force is

630
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,280
given. 
What a cool name. 

631
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,120
He was promoted to his father's 
position. 

632
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,000
It's sort of hereditary but sort
of isn't. 

633
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,840
It's kind of confusing the the 
Persian king has power to undo 

634
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,760
that. 
But normally these governorships

635
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,800
just pass to the to a family 
member. 

636
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:29,320
Many people call datames the 
greatest non Greek warrior slash

637
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,280
general not named Hannibal or 
Hamelkar. 

638
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,880
And Hannibal and Hamelkar 
haven't been born yet. 

639
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,639
They are enemies of Rome. 
They're not going to have 

640
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,639
anything to do with our story. 
Now, let's not forget about our 

641
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,920
Cersei Parisatus. 
She had likely returned to the 

642
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,639
Royal Court at this point. 
Remember, she had been banished 

643
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,120
to Babylon because of the whole 
business with murdering her own 

644
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,719
son's wife. 
You know, Stuttera, she poisoned

645
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,920
her and all that, you know. 
Now, she hadn't lost her 

646
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,000
substantial incomes through all 
that, so she still had her spy 

647
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,440
network, most likely. 
And eventually she talked her 

648
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,280
way into getting back to court 
because she just had so much 

649
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,920
control over her son Artaxerxes.
It's almost like a Visenya Megor

650
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,720
kind of situation. 
So there's a little bit of 

651
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,600
Cersei and Parasitis, but the 
situation's a little more like 

652
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,080
Magor Vicenya. 
So Tirabazzis, after saving the 

653
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:29,640
army with his ploy against the 
Caduceans, was rewarded 

654
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,040
handsomely, which you would 
expect. 

655
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,880
The Persians are super rich. 
He performed great service. 

656
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,960
Artaxerxes was personally there 
to witness it. 

657
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,680
So it's not even word of mouth. 
He saw it happen. 

658
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,640
He was like, yeah, good job 
Tierra Bassis. 

659
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,040
So he offers Tierra Bassis, his 
daughter, a Tosa in marriage. 

660
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,040
This is one of his important 
daughters, quote UN quote. 

661
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,400
Now what I mean by that, this is
his daughter, one of his 

662
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,040
daughters by his actual wife to 
Tara, the one that Parasitis had

663
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,280
murdered. 
Now, I have to point out this 

664
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,520
distinction because Artaxerxes 
had like 100 daughters. 

665
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,720
He had concubines. 
So he has having daughters all 

666
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:10,080
over the place and sons, but 
they're not the they're not born

667
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,280
of marriage, which even to them 
makes a difference. 

668
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,160
Not as much a difference as it 
makes in Westeros, but it makes 

669
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,400
a difference. 
Now, Parasatus had noticed that 

670
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,400
Artaxerxes was attracted to a 
Tosa. 

671
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Let me get let's make sure you 
understand. 

672
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,320
Grandma noticed that her son was
into her granddaughter, his own 

673
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,200
daughter. 
Yeah, right. 

674
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,840
Well, this is an incestuous 
family. 

675
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,640
However, father daughter incest 
was not a thing in Persia, even 

676
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,120
though brother, sister and some 
of those like it was like the 

677
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,120
Targaryens, they they had the 
same limit there. 

678
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,800
They're like, OK, we'll do 
brother sister, we'll do maybe 

679
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,400
even do uncle niece. 
But we're not going to go any 

680
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,960
farther than that. 
Until now, 'cause Parasitis was 

681
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,280
like, what's a way to make my 
son even more powerful or to 

682
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,880
seem even more powerful? 
Breaking rules that no one's 

683
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,000
allowed to break. 
That's one. 

684
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,440
And here's one of them. 
So he offers a tosa to Tirabasas

685
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,680
in marriage and then reneges. 
He's like, actually, never mind,

686
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,480
I'm going to marry her myself. 
And this was Parasitis's idea 

687
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,800
that he planted in her, that she
planted in her son's head. 

688
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,280
And he did it. 
He married his own daughter on 

689
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,200
the advice of his own mother. 
Yeah, that happened. 

690
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Yikes. 
As part back to Greece, as part 

691
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:35,040
of Sparta's campaign to strip 
Thebes thieves of its power, 

692
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,040
they rebuilt the city of Platea,
which was very close to Thebes 

693
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,560
and had been a Theban ally, but 
in its rebuilt state was very 

694
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,240
much allied to Sparta. 
In fact, it was Sparta who had 

695
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,040
destroyed it in the first place 
46 years prior. 

696
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,800
Let's move to the year 380 in 
the 100th Olympiad. 

697
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,480
The naked Sprint was won by Dina
Sidoris of Toronto. 

698
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,560
Toronto is southern Italy cause 
of course southern Italy at this

699
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,840
point was still very Greek. 
Northern Italy was Italian is 

700
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,160
where the Romans were and all 
those but Greeks were the 

701
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,040
dominant power, dominant culture
in southern Italy at this time. 

702
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,920
The boys naked Sprint was won by
Dina Lokos of Illis and the long

703
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,240
distance naked race was won by 
Satades of Crete again. 

704
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,320
He had won it the last time in 
the 100 and or in the 99th 

705
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,000
Olympiad. 
You probably don't remember the 

706
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,240
name so I have to remind you. 
But yeah, this guy won again. 

707
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,840
The boys boxing was won by 
Hippos of Illis. 

708
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,040
The pancreation by Xenophon of 
Colicchia. 

709
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,840
Not to be confused by with the 
Xenophon, the author warrior who

710
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,440
pops up often in our story 
because he is one of the main 

711
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,720
sources on all this and a 
contemporary he was in. 

712
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,320
He was an Athenian who actually 
fought under Adisalaus and was 

713
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,520
Adisalaus's friend. 
He got banned from Athens 

714
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,880
because he was too friendly to 
Sparta. 

715
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,040
The boys pancreation was won by 
Aurelius Eureka Pedes of Athens.

716
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Now the fact that there's even a
boys pancreation is kind of 

717
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,280
wild. 
They also had boys boxing. 

718
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680
But yeah, there's a little a 
little bit more of a violent 

719
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,800
society, wasn't it? 
But pancreation, you may recall,

720
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,840
is basically mixed martial arts.
It's it's the UFC in a very 

721
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,440
infant form. 
You know, the only thing that 

722
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:26,560
you couldn't do besides biting 
was eye gouging or aiming for 

723
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,480
the groin. 
You couldn't like pummel the 

724
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,920
groin. 
You could accidentally hit it. 

725
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,440
People got away with that in 
Sparta, though. 

726
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,040
They're like, Nah, there's no 
rules, anything you can do. 

727
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,200
So Sparta was not allowed to 
compete in the pen creation for 

728
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,040
the most part because they just,
I just wouldn't obey the rules. 

729
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,240
They're like, you can't bite or 
eye gouge. 

730
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,920
And they're like, try to stop 
me, OK, we will stop you. 

731
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,880
Sparta. 
You're not allowed to have 

732
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,960
competitors enter this event. 
And that's apparently what 

733
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,520
happened. 
So some of this I may have 

734
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,960
explained last time, but just in
case it wasn't clear, in boxing 

735
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,000
and pancration, they didn't have
rounds like we have rounds now. 

736
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,920
Like you could fight for a 
minute or two minutes or three 

737
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,640
minutes to take a break, go back
at it. 

738
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,440
They didn't do that. 
They fought outdoors in the 

739
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,840
summer where it was really hot, 
really hot. 

740
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,000
And they were at least naked, so
they didn't have clothing 

741
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,440
slowing them down. 
But boy, that's just, it's 

742
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,120
brutal, you know, No, no breaks,
no rules except for these very 

743
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,640
few rules that were kind of 
loosely followed. 

744
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,920
And as I said, no women, no 
women spectators, in fact, 

745
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,720
illegal spectators. 
And it wasn't just women who 

746
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,480
were banned. 
It was non Greeks for the most 

747
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,360
part. 
The rules changed. 

748
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,440
We're talking about something 
that existed for hundreds of 

749
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,360
years, but it was like a 
punishment, a punishment of 

750
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,520
death for that kind of business,
right? 

751
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,560
So that's that. 
Back to Egypt, Pharaoh Hakour 

752
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,800
had to stop helping king of, of 
Agoris against Cyprus cause 

753
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,080
things were just going too 
badly. 

754
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,160
He was too busy dealing with 
threats within his own borders 

755
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,000
while also worried about Persia.
Now in his 13th year, which 

756
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,400
we're in here, Hakour died. 
He was replaced by his son 

757
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,440
Nefarites the Second, despite 
the threat from Persia, or 

758
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,520
perhaps because of it, he only 
lasted four months before being 

759
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,080
overthrown and killed by General
Noktonebev, the one who probably

760
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,560
hired Cabrias to help them all 
out, but actually hired Cabrias 

761
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,520
to help him become king rather 
Pharaoh. 

762
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,880
And that's what happened. 
Noktonebev took the name 

763
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,640
Nektonevo the 1st and Isis as 
his patron deity started to do a

764
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,320
little bit of religious 
reforming. 

765
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,520
Kind of like how we just said 
every Greek city state has its 

766
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,960
own different relationship with 
the gods. 

767
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,240
Same thing is true in Egypt. 
They have a bunch of different 

768
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,480
they have a big wide pantheon 
and they view different gods 

769
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,280
differently depending on who 
you're talking to, what city it 

770
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,240
is, what era it is. 
So the end of Pharaoh Hakor and 

771
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:54,640
Nefertes the second. 
That was the 29th royal dynasty 

772
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,120
of Egypt. 
It only lasted 18 years, so it 

773
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,600
wasn't really a big deal, but 
still 29. 

774
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,480
And this is the beginning of the
30th Noctanebo, Nectanebo, the 

775
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,960
first, that is, he is the first 
of the 30th dynasty of Egypt. 

776
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,800
Wild. 
So yeah, Cabrias probably helped

777
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,920
Nectanebo's coup. 
And this is a good example of 

778
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:20,360
how of the proxy war phenomenon 
where two more powerful nations 

779
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,320
go to war in within the borders 
of 1/3 nation where they're both

780
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,520
sending armies and soldier or 
armies and money to 1/3 nation, 

781
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,320
where this is playing out now. 
Farah buys us the paymaster, the

782
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,040
guy who's taking his time 
building this army to invade 

783
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,560
Egypt. 
He's, you know, slow, as I said,

784
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,960
but he's still competent, 
especially in the matters of 

785
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,360
money and intrigue and politics.
He went to Athens and was like, 

786
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,080
what the hell, y'all? 
Cabrius is fighting for Egypt. 

787
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,080
You're supposed to be on our 
side. 

788
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,920
The King's peace is in effect. 
Athens is signed on to that. 

789
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,400
So what the hell are you doing 
with your general fighting for 

790
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,440
these rebels? 
They're like, sorry, they didn't

791
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,520
want to risk an incident. 
They didn't want Persia mad at 

792
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,760
them. 
So they're like, hey, Cabrius, 

793
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,560
will you? 
Will you come home? 

794
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,640
Will you come back? 
This is a problem. 

795
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,840
He's like, yeah, all right, 
fine, fine. 

796
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,600
I got some money out of it. 
I gained a little glory. 

797
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,480
It's fine. 
I'll come home. 

798
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000
I don't care. 
You know, it's not a big deal. 

799
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,280
His confidence is unaffected. 
Nothing could affect this guy's 

800
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,680
confidence. 
How could this be a failure? 

801
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,720
He got some money. 
He got some reputation. 

802
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,360
Athens was embarrassed. 
He wasn't. 

803
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,240
But the Athens was like, yeah, 
but maybe that's not enough. 

804
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,280
We we recalled Cabrios. 
We gave him a local command. 

805
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,360
He's about to pop up again. 
So to help things out, to 

806
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,240
continue to make sure there's 
relations with Persian and sour,

807
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:49,280
they sent ethiquities, the 
innovator, the guy that changed 

808
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,920
the shoes and the Spears and the
Shields to to a man to a point 

809
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,480
that it made an enormous 
difference. 

810
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,800
His changes, his innovations 
were used by Rome. 

811
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,080
Rome's two most important things
were marching long distances, 

812
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,800
which you can't do without good 
footwear. 

813
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,320
Y'all simple as that, right? 
And the fortified camp armies in

814
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,520
this area just pitched camp 
where they would. 

815
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,600
And you know, whatever happens, 
happens. 

816
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,680
By the by the Roman era, the 
Romans were big on every night 

817
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,120
we dig a Moat, we build a 
fortress, we build a fortress 

818
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,560
out of wood every night we may 
come back to that the next 

819
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,840
night, but if we move 10 miles 
forward, we build a new 

820
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,800
fortress. 
Rome was really hardcore about 

821
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,440
that and they got this idea 
probably from Aficrites. 

822
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,080
No other Greek general, no 
Persian general did this. 

823
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,560
He's like every time we go to 
bed at night, we have a heavily 

824
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,560
defended camp. 
No one's attacking us in the 

825
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,240
night and getting any progress 
out of that. 

826
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,080
So that it's kind of weird to 
think about that. 

827
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,440
Like they didn't do that back 
then. 

828
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,000
It's like, well, one guy figured
out that they should, so they 

829
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,280
took Cabrias away from Egypt and
gave Aficrites to Persia. 

830
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,280
And they also put so Farna Bazis
was like, OK, cool, Aficertis, 

831
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,040
I'm going to let you be in 
charge of all the Greek soldiers

832
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,960
because he had a lot of soldiers
from a lot of armies because 

833
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,080
Persia is a big empire, right? 
So Aficertis was in charge of 

834
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,720
the Greeks there. 
Meanwhile, in the north, Sparta 

835
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,560
is continuing to help their ally
on Mentos the Third, the king of

836
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,800
Macedon. 
Now he is at war with the 

837
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,600
Chalkidian League. 
Of course, as these stories go 

838
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,960
on, there's just so many 
leagues. 

839
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,040
There's always bunch of Greek 
city states forming this or that

840
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,360
league. 
It just means alliance, right? 

841
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,040
It's just a group. 
And sometimes these leagues end 

842
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,400
and then reform. 
Don't need to worry about it too

843
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,760
much. 
Chaucis is like a little 

844
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,480
peninsula. 
The northern part of Greece kind

845
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,000
of juts out there from from 
northern Greece, northern 

846
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,880
Macedon there. 
But Sparta and Macedonia, 

847
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,920
they're not just allies of 
circumstance here. 

848
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,080
Sure, Sparta tends to support 
the kings because they have 

849
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,360
kings they support, you know, 
rule by the few. 

850
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,640
So they have a natural ideology 
pairing here. 

851
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,440
But it goes a lot deeper than 
that. 

852
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,720
Sparta and Macedonia had an 
ancient connection, or rather 

853
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,640
their royal families did. 
Sparta has 2 kings right? 

854
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,840
Sparta has 2 kings, 1 from 1 
royal line, one from the other. 

855
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,880
There's only two royal lines. 
That didn't really change the 

856
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,520
Yuripanted, which was just a 
Laos at this point and the 

857
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,920
Agiad, which is just Eppolis is 
the current king for Sparta four

858
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,560
and all of both of those 
dynasties are from the 

859
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,800
Heracleidae, which remember, 
that's a big deal that Lysander 

860
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,800
brought up just means you're a 
descendant of Heracles. 

861
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,520
Your family can family line can 
be traced to that claiming 

862
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,640
descent from Heracles had value 
all over Greece, but it 

863
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,600
especially had value in a places
like Thebes where Heracles was 

864
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,240
supposedly born. 
And it had a lot of value in 

865
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:57,400
Macedonia because Amentos 
himself was part of a dynasty 

866
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,360
that descended from the 
Heracleids. 

867
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,480
So he was a Heraclean as well. 
So that's an ancient connection 

868
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,800
between Sparta and Macedonia. 
They both had royal families 

869
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,880
that descend from Heracles. 
Now Thebes, like I said, they 

870
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,440
had Heracleidi too and others 
said, but they didn't have kings

871
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,240
that descend from that because 
they didn't have kings at all. 

872
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,640
Now Amentos the third had a son 
around this time who he named 

873
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,840
Phillip. 
This is his third born son. 

874
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,040
So you might be wondering why we
care about this third born son. 

875
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,720
Well, this Phillip is going to 
be important. 

876
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,880
There's lots of Phillips. 
Luckily, unlike our medieval 

877
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,560
chronology episodes, we don't 
have too much of the problem of 

878
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,160
the same guys with the same 
names. 

879
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,760
A lot of that certainly happens 
here, but not a lot. 

880
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,920
So, but there are a good number 
of Phillips. 

881
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,120
So why are we following this 
particular Phillip? 

882
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Well, you'll see. 
He'll keep popping up. 

883
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,640
His birth. 
His birth is important because 

884
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,800
of how big he's going to be 
later. 

885
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,920
But for now, here's another fun 
connection. 

886
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,280
King of Mintas of Macedon, 
Philip's father. 

887
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,600
He had a doctor named 
Nicomachus. 

888
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,480
It's his personal doctor. 
It's his friend. 

889
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,440
He was from a town in the 
Chalkidian League there. 

890
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,960
And Nikomakis was supposedly 
descended from another guy named

891
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,680
Nikomakis, who was the son of 
Machaeon, who was the son of 

892
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,320
Asclepius, the God of medicine. 
Yeah. 

893
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,200
That's wild, right. 
So this doctor, that's a pretty 

894
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,400
good thing to have on your 
resume as a doctor's like, yo, I

895
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,920
descend from the God of 
medicine. 

896
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,320
There's my, you know, 
credentials as a doctor. 

897
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,000
You know, what kind of what kind
of university degree can match 

898
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,760
up with that? 
You know, right. 

899
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,520
So it's a pretty, pretty 
powerful thing right Now, 

900
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,680
Asclepius was said to be so 
powerful that he could bring the

901
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,960
dead back to life. 
He couldn't bring himself back 

902
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,360
to life, though, which is a 
problem because Zeus killed him 

903
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,160
because Zeus was worried about 
that power of his. 

904
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,240
Zeus was worried about the same 
thing that we're worried about 

905
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,960
in the Song of Ice and Fire, The
Long Summer that never ends. 

906
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,960
The thing that Benero preaches 
that you know, you follow Reloor

907
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,480
and you know there will be a 
summer that doesn't end and no 

908
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,120
one will die. 
We're all, we'll all live 

909
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,200
forever. 
And it's like, that doesn't 

910
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,640
sound good. 
Actually, Zeus didn't think so 

911
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,760
either. 
He's like, he was worried that 

912
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,600
his Clepius would just do that 
to everyone. 

913
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,360
He would give all humanity 
undying. 

914
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,280
He'd make everyone undying 
amongst humanities. 

915
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,960
He's like, I can't have that 
happen, so I'm gonna kill him 

916
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,960
now. 
This story continues because 

917
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:26,040
Nico Marcus and his wife Faestus
had a son recently. 

918
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,880
He was about four. 
His name was Aristotle. 

919
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,840
You might know the name. 
Yeah. 

920
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,800
One of the most famous people 
from all the ancient world. 

921
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,720
Probably the single most 
influential person from the 

922
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:45,160
ancient world, especially if you
limit it to non war things in 

923
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,880
terms of philosophy, learning, 
just influence in a lot of 

924
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:49,880
areas. 
He was a polymath. 

925
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,960
He was just an expert in so many
different things. 

926
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:58,000
Yeah, digging into Aristotle is 
like, wow, this guy, it's really

927
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,040
hard to find someone from the 
ancient world that has a bigger 

928
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,480
influence on today. 
And boy, his influence is 

929
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:08,440
massive. 
So as well, we talked about how 

930
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,040
the Spartans were still 
campaigning north of Thebes 

931
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,240
during this, because remember, 
the whole reason they went there

932
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:17,640
in the 1st place was to punish 
the city of Olympus, which had 

933
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,160
broken the King's peace. 
Right. 

934
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,520
And they broke the King's peace 
in a way that got involved here 

935
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,040
with Amintas and Sparta, right? 
Because Sparta didn't want them 

936
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,800
to have a league. 
It violated the King's peace. 

937
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,480
Amintas didn't want them to have
a league because they're on his 

938
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,640
border. 
He didn't want his neighboring 

939
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Greek city states to be 
powerful. 

940
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,520
He would much rather have them 
be fractured and separate. 

941
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,880
That's much better for him. 
Now. 

942
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,360
Just allow us to still back in 
Sparta himself because he's 

943
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,360
I'll, you know, he had that leg 
thing or that problem with his 

944
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,720
illness, whatever it was. 
So it Jessopolis is the one out 

945
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,760
there. 
Jessopolis isn't a young man, 

946
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,160
but he hasn't been king for very
long. 

947
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,600
So he's doing sieges and battles
and he gets a fever. 

948
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,080
And during one of the sieges 
doesn't seem like it's a big 

949
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,160
deal. 
But in the ancient world, a lot 

950
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,800
of fevers can turn into a big 
deal. 

951
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,560
And this one did. 
He died. 

952
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,160
So it just allows outlast 
another king from the other 

953
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,720
Spartan dynasty still going. 
And now we have Cliambrotus. 

954
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:21,440
That's the new king. 
That's Agispolis. 

955
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,200
Brother Agispolis never had any 
children. 

956
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,280
So Cliambrotus ascends and it 
just allows immediately start 

957
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,840
sinking his hooks into him. 
Like, OK, he he had successfully

958
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,520
got Agispolis to focus more on 
relationships and partying in 

959
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,080
order to free himself up to have
more power for himself. 

960
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Right. 
And it was classic move gets get

961
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,880
your get another powerful person
distracted by desires of the 

962
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,360
flesh, pleasures of the flesh 
and, you know, leave the power 

963
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,960
to me. 
It kind of backfired here, 

964
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,720
though, didn't And you got a guy
that maybe wasn't as a robust as

965
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:58,760
he should have been or as 
attentive to military matters. 

966
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,200
And yeah, he might have finished
the campaign sooner and gotten 

967
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,120
home before that fever. 
But Nope, Nope, Nope. 

968
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,720
Client Brodis is a he's a bit of
a Spartan, Edmure Tully kind of 

969
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,880
passive, you know, for for a 
country that's very aggressive, 

970
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,600
especially now they're bullying 
the entire country of Greece, 

971
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,360
you know, the entire region. 
And they aren't shy about it. 

972
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,200
They're not shy about being 
hypocrites either. 

973
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,400
As we've seen. 
This guy is is a little bit, 

974
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,080
he's not a pushover, but he's 
not super violent either. 

975
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,560
He's definitely not aggressive 
at the same time. 

976
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,480
So he's a bit of a different 
animal here. 

977
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:43,880
That's it for the year 3738. 
Let's go to 379 in Rome, 6 

978
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,680
military tribunes with consular 
powers were elected. 

979
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:52,400
Four of them were named Lucius 
Amentos the third and Sparta 

980
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,040
achieved victory. 
They defeated Olympus finally 

981
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,840
and Mentos went back to his 
capital or get gets back his 

982
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,880
capital because if you recall, 
what happened was Amintas loaned

983
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,680
to some of his territory to the 
Chalkadian League. 

984
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,440
He's like, you know, hold on to 
this for me because I can't 

985
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,280
hunt. 
Hang on to it. 

986
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,680
I need to go fight these other 
people. 

987
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,040
We're we're friends. 
You can hold on to this for me 

988
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,040
and then you give it back to me 
later and I'll give you rewards 

989
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,960
and we'll have a deal. 
It's not what happened to the 

990
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,680
Chalkadian League is like, you 
know, actually we're going to 

991
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,440
keep this. 
So it's part of where the part 

992
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,520
of where the problems came in 
the 1st place. 

993
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,400
Now, the Chakadean League was 
ended because of this, right? 

994
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,080
And as I said, this caused 
problems later because without 

995
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,040
this northern alliance, well, 
what have I said since the 

996
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,200
beginning of the series that 
there's a threat to the north, 

997
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,480
The Greeks, Greece is beating 
each other up, while it should 

998
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,880
be more concerned with this 
threat to the north. 

999
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,480
I haven't exactly outlined what 
this threat is. 

1000
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,760
I haven't told you exactly what 
that means. 

1001
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,440
We'll get to it. 
It's not quite ready yet either.

1002
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,200
If you're thinking maybe 
Macedonia is a part of it, 

1003
00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,280
you're on the right track. 
So this is definitely one of the

1004
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,120
things, one of the conditions 
that's created to help Greece 

1005
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,320
lose their independence, 
something that none of them saw 

1006
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,440
coming. 
And in fact, the Chalkadian 

1007
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,440
League is going to reform later,
but weaker without any 

1008
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,440
Macedonian parts. 
So it's it's not going to be 

1009
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,040
much of A obstacle to the powers
from the north. 

1010
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,640
Now he renegotiated a timber 
deal he had with Athens. 

1011
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,760
He had lost it while he had lost
his part of his Kingdom. 

1012
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,400
But this is such a strange thing
he he didn't renegotiate the 

1013
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,160
deal directly with like Athens, 
like through their public 

1014
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,680
infrastructure, which is how 
most things are done there. 

1015
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,160
He went straight to Timotheus, 
who was the son of Conan, who 

1016
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,240
was one of the Athenian Admirals
that was fighting with the 

1017
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:48,600
Persians and then against them. 
And then they threw him in jail 

1018
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,440
and then he got out and then he 
died. 

1019
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,640
So this is his son picking up 
right where he left off. 

1020
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,120
He's an Athenian Admiral and 
he's quite a deal maker. 

1021
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,960
You know, I don't have a great 
comp for him in A Song of Ice 

1022
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,400
and Fire. 
I feel like there is one, but I 

1023
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,040
just couldn't come up with it. 
So y'all, this is a good 

1024
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,080
opportunity. 
Somebody who's a good deal 

1025
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,160
maker. 
He's a general, but he's more of

1026
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,320
a statesman than a warrior, but 
he is capable of that as well. 

1027
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,680
Now nearby also in the north is 
Thessaly. 

1028
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:22,320
Thessaly is closer to Thebes in 
Boesha than Macedon. 

1029
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:24,160
So it's like Thessaly is to the 
north. 

1030
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,760
And then a little farther N is 
Macedonia. 

1031
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:30,800
So this guy Lycophron had formed
a tyranny in Thessaly. 

1032
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,000
He was the tyrant of Pharaai, 
which nowadays is called 

1033
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,280
Velestino. 
It's kind of southeast in 

1034
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,040
Thessaly. 
Now, like Macedonia, Thessaly is

1035
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,760
horse country and their cavalry 
is famous and excellent. 

1036
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,120
So like Efron had formed, you 
know, the tyranny again, tyranny

1037
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,280
in Greece isn't quite the same 
as tyranny now. 

1038
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:55,360
It just means popular leader. 
He was elected through popular 

1039
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,600
acclaim, seized power 
unlawfully. 

1040
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,600
But that doesn't mean they're a 
bad guy. 

1041
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,200
Usually they are power going to 
people's heads. 

1042
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,040
That's a lot of power to have. 
But sometimes these these 

1043
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,960
tyrants were actually good 
benevolent dictators type of 

1044
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,760
things. 
We don't know if Lycophron was 

1045
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,240
or not. 
There's not a lot of history 

1046
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,880
there. 
But his son, this guy we're very

1047
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,040
interested in. 
So when he died, Jason took over

1048
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,280
Jason of Fira. 
He inherited the tyranny and 

1049
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,480
started to expand it. 
He started to conquer some of 

1050
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,560
the other little regions within 
Thessaly, and eventually he was 

1051
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,600
named Tagus, which is 
magistrate, you know, leading 

1052
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,960
guy in Thessaly. 
You know, they don't have kings,

1053
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,320
but they have these high titles.
And you get the impression that 

1054
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,160
he got this because he was so 
powerful, not because they 

1055
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,520
thought he was the right man for
the job. 

1056
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,880
It could be both. 
He was very capable. 

1057
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,560
This is an extremely talented, 
ambitious and capable man. 

1058
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,400
He was noteworthy as a youth for
doing really wildly ambitious 

1059
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,160
and bold things against his own 
family. 

1060
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,400
In some cases, for example, he 
kidnapped his mother's favorite 

1061
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,280
slave and held her for ransom. 
Well, yeah, Mom, you can't have 

1062
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,800
this slave back until you pay 
me. 

1063
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,160
Like what? 
Who does that? 

1064
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,320
Well, he did. 
He also, like, would arrange 

1065
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,200
religious devotions, like events
where everyone, you know, 

1066
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,240
everyone gives a little money 
and he would just pocket the 

1067
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,920
money. 
He wouldn't. 

1068
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,880
There was very little given to 
the gods or whatever. 

1069
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,640
Yeah, he did. 
He just got away with all these 

1070
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,160
sort of things because you know,
he was powerful and he was so 

1071
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,920
capable. 
So he was also an innovator, 

1072
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,280
both the strategy, tactics, 
logistics and, and kind of along

1073
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,960
the lines of ethiquities, not 
quite that intense, but he 

1074
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,320
invented a new type of armor 
called the hemothorax, which is 

1075
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,040
like a stomach armor because 
like Greek hoplites, you just 

1076
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,760
hear your helmet, you got your 
breastplate, you maybe got some 

1077
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,720
armor on your arms and maybe you
got Greaves, which are like 

1078
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,880
thigh armor, not much else. 
So stomach armor's a pretty big 

1079
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,240
deal. 
Wasn't armor for for regular 

1080
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,560
folk, it was only for rich guys 
'cause it was hard to make. 

1081
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,560
And we're going to see this 
armor used in covert missions 

1082
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,920
because it's something you can 
easily conceal under your robes 

1083
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:21,320
or your tunic or what have you. 
So Jason knew Palapas, they were

1084
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,480
acquaintances, maybe even 
friends. 

1085
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,280
And Jason wanted a balanced 
Greece. 

1086
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:32,120
He wanted thieves and Athens and
Sparta to all be kind of equal 

1087
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,680
in power, kind of like Persia 
did. 

1088
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,040
And you got to ask yourself why.
Why did this guy care? 

1089
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,280
He's he doesn't even live there.
He's north of Greece. 

1090
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,800
You know, what does he care 
about these nations? 

1091
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,440
The city states South of him. 
Why does he want balance there? 

1092
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,640
What's his angle? 
Well, generally speaking, 

1093
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,960
there's several examples of this
throughout history. 

1094
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,000
When someone wants a balance of 
power in Greece, it's because 

1095
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,640
they want to control Greece for 
themselves. 

1096
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,680
They have designs on Greece. 
Jason had designs on Greece. 

1097
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,400
First. 
He had to prove how good he was.

1098
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,680
He had to prove how capable he 
was. 

1099
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,160
He had to build his own power 
base. 

1100
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,640
But all along the way, whenever 
he had influence to wield, he 

1101
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:16,040
would push towards that balance.
If if one of the three was out, 

1102
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,920
was losing power, he would, you 
know, maybe give them a little 

1103
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,240
help or argue that they should 
have help just to try to keep 

1104
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,840
that balance, right? 
He didn't want things to get too

1105
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,160
bad. 
He didn't want Greece just 

1106
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,320
overwhelmed by civil war. 
And but he also didn't want them

1107
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,440
to be too strong. 
No, no one power to be dominant.

1108
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,400
Because if one power was really 
dominant, well, he'd have to 

1109
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,840
take on that one power rather 
than a divide and conquer 

1110
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,960
strategy. 
Jason also spoke of invading 

1111
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:47,240
Persia, that same Greek dream 
that has existed ever since the 

1112
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,200
time of Thermopylae in the 
Battle of the 300 getting back 

1113
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,760
at Persia. 
Remember Thermopylae happened in

1114
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:58,760
480, we're in 379 or 380. 
We're 100 years later and they 

1115
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,760
still have that dream. 
Remember it just allow us was on

1116
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,640
that was on that trip. 
He's like, I'm in Persia. 

1117
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,240
I got an army. 
I just keep going east beat them

1118
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,760
entirely. 
Obviously that. 

1119
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,240
Things changed. 
He had to go back home to SPART.

1120
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,760
I couldn't do that. 
But this is another guy 

1121
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,600
expressing that same dream. 
And Jason's also very 

1122
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,840
interesting because he didn't 
have a citizen army behind him. 

1123
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,160
He had mercenaries, cell swords,
but they were kind of not 

1124
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,840
mercenaries because they were 
full time and that made them way

1125
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,760
more dangerous. 
All they did all day was train 

1126
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,000
for war and Jason trained with 
them. 

1127
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,680
In fact he had high standards 
for his mercenary. 

1128
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,400
He wouldn't just hire any 
mercenary. 

1129
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,560
He would only hire ones that 
could keep up with him stamina 

1130
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,920
wise, very similar to what Braun
did when Tyrion was like, hey, 

1131
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,880
hire me some cell swords. 
And Braun's like, all right, 

1132
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,480
well, to make sure we're hiring 
a good person, a useful guy, I 

1133
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,240
tell them to try to kill me. 
And Tyrion's like, what happens 

1134
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,040
if one of them does? 
He's like, well, you're going to

1135
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,400
want to hire that guy. 
That guy's competent. 

1136
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,560
You know, clearly if you can 
kill me, Braun, A skilled 

1137
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,800
swordsman, you want that guy on 
your team. 

1138
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,800
So he's kind of flipping about 
it, but it it does show you that

1139
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,200
he's keeping a certain baseline 
of quality. 

1140
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,960
He's not just like, well, you 
look like a fighter. 

1141
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,840
Bring him on. 
You know, no, I want to see how 

1142
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,480
good you actually are. 
It's not obviously not a fight 

1143
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,960
to the death. 
That wouldn't accomplish much. 

1144
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,360
But yeah, So Jason, he was 
building a mercenary army of 

1145
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,160
people who were not just 
competent but could keep up with

1146
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,680
him. 
And he had high standards for 

1147
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,080
his own physique, for his own 
stamina, for his own just 

1148
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,640
ability to withstand the rigors 
of campaign, you know, hot, 

1149
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,680
cold, sleeping outdoors or 
anything. 

1150
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,880
He would take it on. 
He would not shirk, you know, he

1151
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,680
wouldn't have his soldiers go 
through anything he wouldn't go 

1152
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:53,120
through, which is an interesting
combination because usually sell

1153
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,120
sword slash mercenaries, they 
follow the money. 

1154
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,840
But this guy's like, you know, 
one of the problems there is 

1155
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,600
they follow the money. 
So what could happen to me one 

1156
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,560
day is Persia using Persia as an
example. 

1157
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,240
He's surely aware of what Persia
is capable. 

1158
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,120
It was like, what if Persia just
bribes all my mercenaries away 

1159
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,200
from me? 
Well, this was his answer to 

1160
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,120
that. 
They were becoming loyal to him 

1161
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,160
for not just money, but because 
they liked him. 

1162
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,080
They looked up to him, they 
respected him. 

1163
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,760
So it's not so easy to pull guys
away that are that are in that 

1164
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,480
mindset. 
You know, it's harder to bribe 

1165
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,240
people away when they're like, 
no, we kind of like this guy. 

1166
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:28,920
We don't like Persians. 
That's the other thing. 

1167
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,400
There was a lot of like Persian,
you know, like racism almost, 

1168
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,600
you know, like they, we don't 
like, we don't like meatism, you

1169
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,160
know. 
So Jason had kind of come up 

1170
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,600
with an answer for that problem.
As we'll see later. 

1171
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,320
Jason's going to come up with 
some other interesting answers, 

1172
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,200
clever, innovative answers to a 
lot of problems or to a lot of 

1173
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,360
traditions. 
And he's going to get ahead of a

1174
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,280
lot of things. 
He's going to keep popping up 

1175
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,920
for a while. 
But now let's go to Fire and 

1176
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:01,800
blood and smoke back to Thebes. 
Remember what Leontides did? 

1177
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,600
He sent assassins after the 
Theban Democrats, and only one 

1178
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,000
of them succeeded. 
Andrew Clydes was killed. 

1179
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,560
The leader in that filled the 
the leadership vacuum was filled

1180
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,800
by Palopitas and others. 
Here's a quote. 

1181
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,840
We ought not to rest here while 
our beloved land is in the hands

1182
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,640
of evil rulers. 
It would be glorious to win back

1183
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,640
freedom for Thebes. 
Will you not join with me in 

1184
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,200
saving our native city? 
He's a he's a man who loved his 

1185
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,280
city. 
He was a, he was a Theben 

1186
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,280
Patriot. 
He had boundless energy. 

1187
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,040
This is Brandon Stark. 
We didn't get to know Brandon 

1188
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,840
Stark very well, but we know 
that he had a temper. 

1189
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,920
He was very loyal to his family,
though. 

1190
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,880
Also he was maybe he had a 
temper to the point where it got

1191
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,600
him in some trouble. 
Palopanos, yeah, he does fit in 

1192
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,080
that category. 
But he's also high minded anger 

1193
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:49,440
or something. 
They call it a high minded 

1194
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:50,560
anger. 
What does that even mean? 

1195
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,200
What is high minded anger? 
Well, it's getting angry at the 

1196
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,840
things you're supposed to get 
angry at. 

1197
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,120
If you're angry because you 
didn't get all the money you 

1198
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,720
thought you deserved, that might
be greed. 

1199
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,480
Actually, you know, it's it's 
thinking about yourself. 

1200
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,560
But Palapa, this is more like, 
no, I'm mad when people dishonor

1201
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,840
each other. 
I'm mad when evil is done. 

1202
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,360
I'm mad when justice is not 
done. 

1203
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,760
He doesn't get mad about petty 
things. 

1204
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,640
He gets mad about the things 
that are supposed to matter. 

1205
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,840
The things that we all say are 
virtues. 

1206
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,920
So that's what high minded anger
is, you know, and I I kind of 

1207
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,240
appreciate that I kind of 
respected to a certain degree 

1208
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,160
better to have more 
self-control. 

1209
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,520
But what we're seeing here is 
we're having a little little 

1210
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,320
combo here, a little fire and 
ice got Palopitos. 

1211
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,520
Is the fire a pomenon? 
Just a bit of the ice, the calm,

1212
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:44,560
rational, thoughtful, long game 
guy, you know, paired up with 

1213
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,440
the let's get them now fiery 
zealot guy. 

1214
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,640
Both of them talented at war as 
well. 

1215
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,200
So here we are in the year 379. 
Palapados was working that angle

1216
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,720
for a while, getting support. 
Eventually it came together. 

1217
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:05,720
He got a group with the goal of 
taking back Thebes, not by 

1218
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,640
armies, but by subterfuge and 
intrigue, kind of like the way 

1219
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,560
that Sparta took it from Thebes.
They're going to kind of, you 

1220
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,120
know, reverse engineer what just
happened. 

1221
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,840
They got about 30 people to sign
on, including a guy named Mellon

1222
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,720
and another guy named Charon. 
Yeah. 

1223
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:23,560
Charon. 
Charon. 

1224
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,760
Like the boat guy, this River 
Styx boatman. 

1225
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,600
Yeah, this guy is actually named
Charon. 

1226
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,240
And it's his house they're going
to meet at, which is really 

1227
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,040
symbolic. 
Like the boat man, the guy that 

1228
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,640
ferries you to the realm of the 
dead. 

1229
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,400
This is where the conspirators 
are going to meet. 

1230
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,560
Like they're either, you can 
look at that as as really 

1231
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:44,520
negative, like they're about to 
die that he's going to he's, you

1232
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,760
know, boating them over to the 
underworld, which means they're 

1233
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,400
dead. 
That sounds like this mission's 

1234
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,480
going to fail. 
On the other hand, if you've got

1235
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,280
the River Styx boatman on your 
side, then you know he can 

1236
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,600
you're in control. 
You know, it's like, well, death

1237
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,240
is on your side. 
It's kind of, there's another 

1238
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,040
way to look at it. 
And this is such an important 

1239
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,480
distinction. 
I don't know how they thought 

1240
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:10,760
about it, but this is the the 
weirdness, the unpredictability 

1241
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,320
of interpreting omens of things 
that happen in nature or just 

1242
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,120
weird coincidence. 
Like you interpret this as a 

1243
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,040
religious thing, but you can 
easily interpret it as positive 

1244
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,120
or negative. 
And we're going to see a lot of 

1245
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,480
that. 
More people added to the 

1246
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,560
conspiracy. 
Gorgados, the the cavalry 

1247
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,520
commander Semios Epaminondas and
his brother Kafisius signed on. 

1248
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,640
A guy named Kafisa Doris, a guy 
named Menoclides. 

1249
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,360
They took a page from the 
Aquador Occupiers book. 

1250
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,800
They waited for a religious 
festival. 

1251
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,360
Not just any religious festival,
the festival of Aphrodite. 

1252
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,200
Aphrodites festival is pretty 
important in Thebes because 

1253
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,720
they're such a big, they're such
a big deal with love. 

1254
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,320
Their view of Eros is very 
different than a lot of other 

1255
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,600
cities. 
A little more on that later, but

1256
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:58,880
Thebes is very much a marriage 
of Aries and Aphrodite, war and 

1257
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,680
love. 
This hasn't, this is forming 

1258
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,120
now, this, this bond, this is, 
or at least it's being extended 

1259
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,400
now. 
Now, of course, Aries and 

1260
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,240
Aphrodite actually did have 
children. 

1261
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,920
More on that later. 
So they had seen the last three 

1262
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,040
years how the oligarchs 
celebrated this festival. 

1263
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,680
It was noteworthy. 
It was a big party. 

1264
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,720
They got drunk and sloppy and 
gratuitous. 

1265
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,240
Lots of bringing lots of women 
in there, just having like, what

1266
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,040
sounds like orgies and all that 
and this guy, the Molemark, 

1267
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,960
Phyllis is pushing it. 
He's like, yeah, y'all party 

1268
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,160
hard, party hard. 
That's right, dude, go all at 

1269
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,840
it. 
Aphrodite wants you to do this, 

1270
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,800
you know, having orgies and lust
and all that. 

1271
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,680
That's what Aphrodite wants. 
Do it, y'all. 

1272
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,520
The Spartans weren't really so 
down with that part of it, but 

1273
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,760
they, you know, they're like, 
yes, observe religious 

1274
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,040
festivals, yes that's right. 
But obviously if you're drunk 

1275
01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:00,720
and thinking about having sex, 
you're not thinking about war. 

1276
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,120
And that's a very good time to 
strike. 

1277
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,840
But a different page was taken 
before this page, a deadly 

1278
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,720
dangerous page. 
An Athenian priest must have 

1279
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,040
spied on the Thebans, or maybe 
was included. 

1280
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,439
Or maybe it's like an ancient 
version of Catholic confession 

1281
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,600
where one of the Theban 
conspirators is like, I need to 

1282
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,319
unburden myself. 
And the and the Greek priest is 

1283
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:27,120
like, I'm going to go tell the 
Spartans what's going on. 

1284
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,080
So he sent a letter to the 
Polimarks, to Archaeus in 

1285
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,439
particular, or maybe just to 
whoever's there, to the, to the 

1286
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,240
Polymarkaeon, the the building 
that runs the military there. 

1287
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,520
And we'll tell you what happens 
in a minute. 

1288
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,240
This message is making its way 
to thieves. 

1289
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,439
Meanwhile, the conspirators are 
trying to do their thing. 

1290
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,640
So this is, it's like a race. 
This message is working its way 

1291
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,960
towards thieves while the 
conspirators are trying to do 

1292
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,240
something before it even 
happens. 

1293
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,080
And they don't know this message
is on its way, this message that

1294
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,279
can undo everything. 
They have no idea it's coming. 

1295
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:05,840
The next 48 hours are perhaps 
the most well documented 48 

1296
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,680
hours in all of Greek history, 
which argues for all of the 

1297
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,359
ancient world, maybe not 
including the Roman ancient 

1298
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:16,000
world, but certainly this point.
We don't know Rome that well, so

1299
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,960
that's cool. 
And we have 12 men at first went

1300
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,200
alone there. 
They broke up their group into 

1301
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,439
smaller groups to try to avoid 
detection. 

1302
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:24,720
They knew they were being 
watched. 

1303
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,080
Assassins came for them and all 
that stuff. 

1304
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,000
So they had to be careful, but 
they chose their time pretty 

1305
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,840
well and they had some luck on 
their sides. 

1306
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,760
The weather was harsh, it was 
snowy, windy, so they got to 

1307
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,200
wrap scarves around their faces 
and have hoods. 

1308
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:42,160
So you have these groups kind of
splitting up into twos and 

1309
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,560
threes so that they can enter 
the different gates of Thebes 

1310
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,800
from different directions and 
are less likely to track. 

1311
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,479
Notice now the the some of the 
younger ones went first because 

1312
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,640
guys like Palopitus and Malone 
and definitely Gorgadas, they 

1313
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,360
would be known, they'd be 
recognized. 

1314
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,840
Actually, Gorgadas wasn't one of
the wasn't one of the Exiles. 

1315
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,720
He was still in in Thebes, as I 
said, so scratch that. 

1316
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,720
But yeah, a lot of these guys 
are recognizable, so they had to

1317
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,240
be careful even with their faces
covered. 

1318
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,960
Now, inside Thebes, the guy 
named Karon, one of his friends 

1319
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,280
had a bad dream. 
And that dream was that Karon's 

1320
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,600
house was pregnant. 
And when it gave birth, when the

1321
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,280
house gave birth, it gave birth 
of fire. 

1322
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,960
Like a big plume of fire came 
forth. 

1323
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:32,240
And that fire spread everywhere 
except the Fort except the cat 

1324
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:33,200
Mia. 
That's where he's like, oh, 

1325
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,000
that's bad. 
Does that mean the whole city's 

1326
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,400
toast except for the Garrison 
that we're trying to fight? 

1327
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,520
That's bad. 
So he and a couple of the other 

1328
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,600
conspirators were like, all 
right, that's bad. 

1329
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,280
The omens are horrible. 
They get they get their own 

1330
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,520
message. 
So we've got multiple messages 

1331
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,600
racing their way to various 
places here and they send one 

1332
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:55,640
guy out. 
Clyde on. 

1333
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,640
They're like Clyde on go tell 
everyone the plan's off. 

1334
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,360
We can't do it. 
It it this omen is too bad. 

1335
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:06,520
So Clyde on goes home, gets goes
to his horse. 

1336
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,440
She's like, I got to get my 
horse all saddled and ready. 

1337
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,960
Well, yeah, saddles are 
different back then. 

1338
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,800
It's hardly even much of A 
saddle, maybe more like a 

1339
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,880
blanket. 
But they did have bridles. 

1340
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:18,840
He can't find his bridle. 
He's like, where's my horse's 

1341
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,200
bridle? 
He's like, wife, where's my 

1342
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,000
bridal? 
And she's like, I don't know, 

1343
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:25,920
why would I know? 
He's like, 'cause you're 

1344
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,240
supposed to know. 
And she's like, don't tell me 

1345
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,640
I'm supposed to know. 
It's your horse. 

1346
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,000
You're supposed to know. 
They're so loud that the 

1347
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,080
neighbors start paying 
attention. 

1348
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,280
They're like, whoa, the Clyde on
and his wife were going at it 

1349
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,800
again. 
She's like, finally she's like 

1350
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,480
your bridal's probably at the 
neighbors and he's like, you 

1351
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,080
silly woman, why didn't you just
say that in the 1st place? 

1352
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,360
And he's, and she's like, you 
silly man, you should have 

1353
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,880
known. 
Anyway, he decided after all 

1354
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,920
that, you know what? 
This missing bridle, that's an 

1355
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,000
omen. 
I'm staying home. 

1356
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,760
So he was supposed to go tell 
them to call the plot off and he

1357
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,800
didn't because he's like, I got 
to stay home. 

1358
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,560
The missing bridle is clearly a 
message from the gods, right? 

1359
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,960
So Palapados and the other 
groups, they have no idea that 

1360
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,160
either of these messages were 
sent, one exposing them, one 

1361
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,280
telling them to back off. 
They still go. 

1362
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,160
They're still doing their thing.
They have no reason to back 

1363
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,840
down. 
One group of conspirators is 

1364
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,640
walking down the street from 1 
cell to another. 

1365
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,520
You know, conspirator cells like
terrorist cells. 

1366
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,160
They have different, few 
different houses and thieves 

1367
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:26,360
where all these meetings are 
taking place. 

1368
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,840
And they're doing their best to 
stay in small groups, but also 

1369
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,920
to to converge on one particular
house, Caron's house. 

1370
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:39,080
So a small group including a 
seer named Theocritus was on 

1371
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,680
their way. 
They're walking through the 

1372
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:46,040
streets and they just encounter 
none other than Archaeus himself

1373
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,360
and Lacinidoris. 
Lacinidoris is the Garrison 

1374
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,360
chief, the Spartan Garrison 
chief. 

1375
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,600
He's also happens to be the son 
of one of the most beautiful 

1376
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,520
women in the all Greek, Greek 
world, which not an important 

1377
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:58,840
detail, but fun to throw in 
there. 

1378
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,960
And they had soldiers with them.
So you might say, well, maybe 

1379
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,920
they should just try to kill 
those guys right there and then.

1380
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,400
Nah, they had soldiers with 
them. 

1381
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:10,080
So like, uh oh, what do we do? 
And maybe we'll just pass by and

1382
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,560
nothing will happen. 
They're walking the opposite way

1383
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,280
down the street, right? 
Yeah, maybe nothing will happen.

1384
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,960
No, Archaeus is like, hold on, 
hey, Theocratus Seer, I need to 

1385
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,600
talk to you. 
And they're like, Oh my God, 

1386
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:24,000
what's going on here? 
And he's like, I got a religious

1387
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,520
problem. 
King had just Laos wanted us to 

1388
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,080
go open this tomb of Heracles 
Mother Alchemine, which is, you 

1389
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,960
know, you guys know where that 
is, That's over here, you know, 

1390
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,520
outside the city limits or 
whatever. 

1391
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,400
But it's close by. 
And they're like, yeah, of 

1392
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,680
course we know about that. 
Obviously King had just allows 

1393
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:42,000
again, trying to loot tombs for 
the power of Sparta. 

1394
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,560
So you ordered the Lacentadoris 
to go do that. 

1395
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,400
So Lacentadoris did that. 
They looted the tomb, which by 

1396
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,640
the way, the tomb is in 
Haliartis, which is where 

1397
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,320
Lysander was killed, let's not 
forget. 

1398
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,080
So he goes over there, opens the
tomb and he's like, there's no 

1399
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,040
bones here, but there is a 
bronze tablet with a strange 

1400
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,360
script that they couldn't 
understand. 

1401
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,680
So that is no word like this is 
some language we don't know 

1402
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,880
anymore. 
Shortly after they they opened 

1403
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,440
this tomb, Halliardis had a crop
failure and a flood. 

1404
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,200
So they were like, all right, 
that's clearly the gods are 

1405
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,440
pissed. 
Alchemine herself, Heracles, one

1406
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:20,360
of them or both of them, they're
mad. 

1407
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,760
And Archaeus asked Theocritus to
see her. 

1408
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,720
That's their problem. 
They're like, how do we properly

1409
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:32,200
observe the, the proper rituals 
to reseal the tomb to, you know,

1410
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:36,120
keep this curse at Bay? 
So he's like, he, he tells them 

1411
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:37,440
what they want to hear. 
He's like, well, you got to do 

1412
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:42,560
this and this and this. 
And they realize that this means

1413
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,320
Lacenadoris is about to leave 
town to go do that. 

1414
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,440
He's like, you need. 
And so the Akratis just implores

1415
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:53,400
him to do this quickly. 
So they actually talk the 

1416
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,680
Spartan Garrison chief into 
leaving maybe a little sooner 

1417
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,320
than he would have. 
So he leaves the city while 

1418
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,440
they're in the midst of a 
pulling off their plan, like 

1419
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,720
they're about to go make their 
move. 

1420
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,880
And they have this stroke of 
luck where the Spartan Garrison 

1421
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,920
chief, they're able to talk him 
into leaving. 

1422
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,360
So they keep going. 
They go to the next 

1423
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,920
conspirator's house. 
This guy named Simeus. 

1424
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,280
I had mentioned him earlier. 
Simeus was nervous because none 

1425
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:21,240
other than Leon Tides himself 
came to Simeus door earlier that

1426
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,680
day, knocked on his door to 
argue with him about a certain 

1427
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,160
prisoner. 
Simeus had argued that this 

1428
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,480
prisoner who was a Democrat 
should be exiled and not killed.

1429
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:32,720
And Leon Tides is like, Nah, 
execution. 

1430
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,800
But Leontides, he enjoys a good 
debate. 

1431
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,440
I suppose he wasn't going to try
to be too authoritative about 

1432
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:42,000
it. 
He wanted some consensus. 

1433
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,560
So he wanted to continue the 
debate. 

1434
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,640
He actually went to Simmons's 
house and argued with him a bit 

1435
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,120
longer. 
So that was not great. 

1436
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,880
They were like, well, he did 
back to he did leave. 

1437
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,560
So but it made them nervous. 
The guys they're trying to kill 

1438
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,800
might just, you know, they just 
come knocking on your door at 

1439
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,040
any moment. 
Let's remind ourselves of just 

1440
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:05,280
how small this whole place is. 
Like this, this world, you got 

1441
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,600
people who just know each other.
This isn't like millions of 

1442
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,120
people here. 
You got people who know each 

1443
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,160
other just walking down the 
street like this, the all these 

1444
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:14,520
important players. 
Then another thing happened. 

1445
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,480
Simeus was like, Hey, y'all, 
some stranger came to town and 

1446
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,360
he made a sacrifice at the grave
of Lysis, That Pythagorean sage 

1447
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,480
guy we talked about, and then he
just went to sleep by the grave.

1448
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,640
He's freaking me out, y'all, 
what is up with this guy? 

1449
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,680
Is this a God in disguise? 
Is this an omen? 

1450
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,600
Epam Ananes and his brother 
speak up. 

1451
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,080
They're like, well, we're the 
ones who buried Lysis. 

1452
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,280
We were students of his. 
We'll go check it out. 

1453
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,520
So they go, they go and they're 
like, hey, man, who are you? 

1454
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,320
And he's like, I am a Lysis 
super fan. 

1455
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,960
I've been following his. 
I'd followed his career forever.

1456
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,960
I've read his stuff. 
He's an inspiration to me. 

1457
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,800
I wanted to come here to make 
sure he was buried properly and 

1458
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,320
to offer sacrifice to his grave.
And Epaminitis and his brother 

1459
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,480
are like, cool, We loved Lysis, 
too. 

1460
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:07,800
We're the ones who buried him. 
And so they're like, oh, well, 

1461
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,760
we have a lot in common. 
Hey, stranger, come live with 

1462
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,240
us. 
This guy just comes and live 

1463
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:13,240
with them. 
Yeah. 

1464
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,040
Anyway, what a coincidence, the 
two that he, he goes there to 

1465
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,360
offer sacrifice at this guy's 
grave and the guys who dug the 

1466
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,360
grave show up and they're all 
become friends, you know. 

1467
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:29,320
So Philidas, the Molamark, he 
was working, he was doing work 

1468
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,120
here, arranging things. 
He had make sure there's lots to

1469
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,280
drink, bring in lots of women in
to distract the polo marks, 

1470
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,320
especially Archaeus and Philip. 
Archaeus and Philip were all 

1471
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:40,920
about it. 
They're like, yeah, bring me the

1472
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,000
women. 
Bring me the highborn women. 

1473
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,680
I want to, I want to get 
everybody. 

1474
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,280
This is the festival of 
Aphrodite. 

1475
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,920
I I'm going at it anyway. 
Lead tighties. 

1476
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,080
To his credit, he wasn't like 
that. 

1477
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,320
He's like, I don't party like 
that. 

1478
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,000
I'm a I'm a serious man. 
I'm not like that. 

1479
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,800
So he didn't do it. 
He didn't go to the party. 

1480
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,840
He maybe had a few drinks and 
then went home. 

1481
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,200
He back at his own house just 
like, uh, well, that's a 

1482
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,040
problem. 
We can't kill everybody in one 

1483
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,880
spot, right? 
They're trying to sneak into 

1484
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,320
this party and kill people, but 
Leontide is the most important 

1485
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:12,640
guy. 
He's not even going to be there.

1486
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,920
And then they realize another 
guy, high Paytes, also wasn't 

1487
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,280
going to be there. 
Like, well, damn, we got all 

1488
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,640
these targets. 
What are we going to do? 

1489
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,560
Well, they're going to have to 
split up into groups. 

1490
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,520
Luckily for them, high pay Tees 
lived somewhat near land tides. 

1491
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,600
You know, we're living in the 
rich part of town probably. 

1492
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,800
So then slide on shows up the 
guy with the missing bridle. 

1493
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,960
He tells them his story and 
they're like, whoa, we almost 

1494
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,040
called the whole thing off 
because of that. 

1495
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,240
So they changed their view 
instead of they still thought 

1496
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,760
the bridle was an omen, but they
now they thought it was a good 

1497
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,080
omen because like if if it 
wasn't for that bridle being 

1498
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:48,840
moved, it would have called the 
whole thing off. 

1499
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,200
So whichever God moved that 
bridal, which is how they 

1500
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,200
interpreted it, was on their 
side 'cause it caused good 

1501
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,760
things to happen. 
So Palopitus and Mellone each 

1502
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,200
lead a group. 
Palopitus leads a group to go 

1503
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,520
after Lentides. 
Might have been personal. 

1504
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,640
Remember Palopitus was probably 
targeted by Lentides assassins. 

1505
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,400
Mellone and his crew dress up 
like women. 

1506
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,680
So I'm guessing these were the 
like smaller statue started 

1507
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:15,720
guys. 
You probably don't have some 

1508
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,600
like big, huge hulking guy 
trying to pretend to be a woman,

1509
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,800
a woman. 
He's they're wearing hoods and 

1510
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,200
garlands and stuff. 
And they're the assistants. 

1511
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:24,960
They're the maids. 
They're not the main women. 

1512
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,920
They're the ones that are 
helping the sex workers or the 

1513
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,800
highborn women like with their 
clothes. 

1514
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,840
And they're just attendants. 
So they're they're not as 

1515
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,640
noticeable. 
Before this happens, before 

1516
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,680
they're ready to leave, there's 
a bolt of lightning, but no 

1517
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,480
Thunder. 
And they thought this was good. 

1518
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,440
They thought this was good. 
It's like, hey, we're the 

1519
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:45,520
Thunder. 
You know, the Thunder is, is, is

1520
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,880
is held back. 
We're getting ready to strike. 

1521
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:52,240
That's the Thunder. 
Unfortunately, a spy at one of 

1522
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,480
the gates reported back to 
Archaeus. 

1523
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,440
He said, look, I saw some exiles
coming in. 

1524
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,240
I saw them. 
A couple of them came in through

1525
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:01,560
the gate. 
Some of them are here. 

1526
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,760
Something's going on. 
So that guy goes to Archaeus and

1527
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:06,000
tells him. 
And Archaeus is like. 

1528
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,960
Bring me Charon. 
Uh oh. 

1529
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,000
So they, some soldiers go to 
Charon's house where everyone is

1530
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,160
meeting and he, there's a 
banging at the door and they're 

1531
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,560
like, uh oh, the jig is up. 
We're screwed. 

1532
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,320
Someone looks out the window and
there's like, it's only like 4 

1533
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,360
guys. 
They're like, well, if they're 

1534
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,320
coming to bust up our 
conspiracy, why is there only 

1535
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,840
four guys? 
All right, so they all hide. 

1536
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,360
They hide like the picture Life 
of Brian. 

1537
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,040
There's like one guy sticking 
out of a basket. 

1538
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,320
One guy, you know, he's he's 
completely visible, but he's got

1539
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,760
his face is covered. 
If you can't see me, I can't see

1540
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,080
you. 
You know, that kind of thing, 

1541
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,800
right. 
So they're like, come with us to

1542
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,280
chair and enters the door. 
They're like, come with us. 

1543
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:44,800
We're you need to. 
Archaeus wants to see you. 

1544
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,760
And he's like, all right, OK, 
well, that's better than you 

1545
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,640
guys busting up our conspiracy. 
I'll go, but give me a SEC. 

1546
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,600
I need to. 
I was in the middle of 

1547
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,080
something. 
Hang on, let me go back inside. 

1548
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:54,720
Let me talk to my wife, tell her
where I'm going. 

1549
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:55,920
They're like, all right, hurry 
up, though. 

1550
01:20:56,440 --> 01:20:58,600
So he closes the door, goes back
inside, just tells them what's 

1551
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,000
up, What's up? 
They're like, all right, well, 

1552
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,080
you got to go. 
You got to go, right? 

1553
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:03,560
Otherwise they'll get 
suspicious. 

1554
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:04,600
And he's like, yeah, I got to 
go. 

1555
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:09,320
This is dangerous, but I'll go. 
And then he's like, look, I 

1556
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,040
don't want you guys to think I'm
going to turn on you. 

1557
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,480
I don't want you to think that I
might give the whole thing up 

1558
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,920
out of fear for myself. 
So here's my 15 year old son. 

1559
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,680
He's my, he's a hostage. 
Take him if you don't, if you, 

1560
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:26,440
if you want proof of my loyalty,
you know, I kill him if I am not

1561
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:30,280
loyal. 
Palapita says no, we aren't 

1562
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,560
doing that. 
We trust you, go ahead. 

1563
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,520
Your son is not collateral. 
Do what needs to be done. 

1564
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:42,160
We believe you. 
So he goes to the Polomar Chaeon

1565
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,800
and Archaeus is already drunk 
and oiled up, literally oiled 

1566
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,240
up. 
So Sharon's like what's going to

1567
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,320
happen? 
And so and Philidas the mole is 

1568
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,520
standing right behind Archaeus. 
He's right there. 

1569
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,400
So he's like, all right, what's 
going on? 

1570
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:01,520
And Archaeus is like, hey, he's 
drunk, right? 

1571
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,800
Remember that? 
He's like, I heard there are 

1572
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,400
exiles in town. 
So he does. 

1573
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,920
He's not very subtle about it. 
He could have tried to, like, 

1574
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,320
figure out what Charon knew, 
tried to get him to admit 

1575
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,440
something, but he just blurts 
this out and Charon makes the 

1576
01:22:14,440 --> 01:22:18,240
best move possible. 
He plays the indignant patriot. 

1577
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,680
He's like, where? 
Where are the Exiles? 

1578
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,720
Where are they? 
Show me where they are. 

1579
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:29,040
Let me add them brilliant right,
an old trick, but maybe not an 

1580
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:35,040
old trick in four 379 BC right. 
So and and Felita sit right 

1581
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,720
behind Archaeus is like yes, you
do that Charon, you better do 

1582
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,200
that or else you you find those 
exiles and you tell us when you 

1583
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:48,560
find them go no brilliant right.
So Phillip Archaeus is satisfied

1584
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,760
with that. 
But as Charon was leaving, the 

1585
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,720
message from Athens arrived, the
one sent by the priest, the 

1586
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,080
message that said exactly what 
was happening. 

1587
01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:03,720
But Archaeus was done. 
He's like, I don't want to do 

1588
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:08,320
any more business. 
The message says urgent 

1589
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,120
business, and he goes urgent 
business tomorrow. 

1590
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,040
He shoves the letter under a 
pillow and goes back to 

1591
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,160
partying. 
To this day, or at least 

1592
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,880
something like it, certainly for
many centuries afterwards, 

1593
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,800
urgent tomorrow, urgent business
tomorrow, urgent later, 

1594
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,960
something to that effect became 
a safe. 

1595
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,360
It was just repeated for many 
years, if not still being 

1596
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,200
repeated. 
It's a, it became like a, a 

1597
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,640
meme, an ancient world meme. 
So Charon went back to the house

1598
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,360
and was like, I, he didn't want 
to tell everybody what really 

1599
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,720
happened because he he didn't 
want to tell them that the 

1600
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,760
Polamarx knew about the exile, 
even though they were 

1601
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,720
blundering. 
He didn't want to scare them. 

1602
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,400
So he's like, he made-up a 
story. 

1603
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,000
He's like, yeah, they were, he 
just asked me about this. 

1604
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,920
And he pulled Palapas aside and 
was like, yo, what really 

1605
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,520
happened is this? 
They know. 

1606
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,200
They know what's going on. 
They don't actually know, but 

1607
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,640
they suspect. 
But right now, they're still 

1608
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,720
busy partying. 
So what should we do? 

1609
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,600
Should we tell them or not? 
And Palapas is like, yeah, maybe

1610
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,080
we'll just keep that a secret. 
Well, they're all willing to die

1611
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,760
trying anyway. 
These guys, these men are all 

1612
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,640
willing to die. 
We don't need to lower their 

1613
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,040
morale if they're already 
willing. 

1614
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,200
So he's like, well, let's keep 
that to ourselves. 

1615
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:22,440
Worse though, the one guy that 
told the bridal guy to cancel 

1616
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:26,480
the plot, he didn't show up. 
So they were also worried that 

1617
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:31,480
either he had given up, given 
them up or was about to, or had 

1618
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:34,960
told somebody. 
Anyway, So Melon and his group 

1619
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,360
go out. 
They bring, like I said, the 

1620
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,320
shorter probably guys, the less 
burly 'cause they're hiding in 

1621
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,520
hiding in women's clothing 
underneath their garb. 

1622
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:48,040
They have the hemothorax and 
they've got hidden daggers, and,

1623
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,760
you know, they're wearing all 
sorts of accoutrement that would

1624
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,240
be fitting for the festival of 
Aphrodite. 

1625
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,600
So they go into the room. 
They're brought in behind the 

1626
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,160
women, and Archaeus and Philip, 
the two polar marks are 

1627
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:01,280
clapping. 
They're like, yeah, the women 

1628
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,080
are here. 
All right, we're ready. 

1629
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,640
We're excited. 
And the maids are right there 

1630
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:10,200
behind. 
There's a certain high priest, a

1631
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,520
guy named Kabiricus, and he's at
the party. 

1632
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,640
He's partying, too. 
He's drunk and he's holding on 

1633
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,160
to this relic, the Spear of 
Thebes. 

1634
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,600
I tried real hard to find out 
what this spear had anything to 

1635
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,000
do with, but I don't have any. 
I don't know what it was. 

1636
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,680
So Cabaricus notices something's
a little weird. 

1637
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,520
He's drunk, but he's like, he 
looks over at the maids and he 

1638
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:35,520
says, isn't this melon now? 
He wasn't referring to the 

1639
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,040
buffet. 
He wasn't like, isn't this 

1640
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,600
melon? 
Like, isn't this cantaloupe? 

1641
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,800
No, he's like, isn't that guy in
women's clothing? 

1642
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,120
Isn't that Melon the Theben, the
guy, the Democrat? 

1643
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,440
The answer was yes. 
Mellon's like, all right, Jig is

1644
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:53,440
up, pulls his dagger, charges 
right at Archaeus. 

1645
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,760
A couple of the guys throw their
goblets down and look for 

1646
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,880
weapons, but Archaeus is just 
like, dumbfounded. 

1647
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,360
He's like, what's going on? 
He's really wasted. 

1648
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,000
And our Mellon drops him with 
one stab. 

1649
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,920
And then Philip is like, he gets
stands up and he's also drunk. 

1650
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,880
He falls over, they kill him, no
problem. 

1651
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,720
So Philetus the Molemark stood 
forth. 

1652
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,280
He he emerged. 
He's like announces as this is 

1653
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:23,720
happening. 
He's like, look, those of you 

1654
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:27,840
sitting here sitting by, if 
you're not involved, stay that 

1655
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,600
way. 
We're not here for you. 

1656
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,240
If you don't mess with us, we're
going to leave you alone. 

1657
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,440
We're here for these guys and 
that's it. 

1658
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:39,040
We're here for the Spartans, 
we're here for the the traitors.

1659
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,720
That's it. 
So most of the people are just 

1660
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,120
like, all right, I'll sip my 
wine, have a few olives. 

1661
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,440
Let the party continue, see who 
see who wins. 

1662
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,360
We'll stay out of it. 
Another guy tries to grab that 

1663
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,080
spear from Cabiricus and they 
have like a pulling match on the

1664
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,160
spear and and the guy's like 
join us. 

1665
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,640
Come on, man, join us. 
This is the Theban revolution. 

1666
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,320
You're a Theban. 
What are you deciding with these

1667
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,080
guys for? 
But the guy's like, he's too 

1668
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,000
slow, he's too drunk, he doesn't
know what's happening. 

1669
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,760
And someone just comes up behind
him and stabs him and that's 

1670
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,800
that. 
The other guy grabs the spear 

1671
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:14,400
and uses it to probably Pierce 
another Theban or two. 

1672
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,040
Very Red Weddingish, right? 
You got these guys sneaking in. 

1673
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,320
They're they're wearing armor 
under their clothes. 

1674
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,560
You know, it's a party. 
You're waiting for everyone to 

1675
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,560
get drunk. 
Not everyone is killed. 

1676
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,080
Some people are left out of it 
because you're not trying to 

1677
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:28,400
piss off everybody. 
You're not trying to make 

1678
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,160
enemies of everybody. 
You've got a very specific 

1679
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:34,600
target you want, just like, you 
know, Ruse and and Walder took 

1680
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,680
certain people captive to keep 
certain families from getting 

1681
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,800
any ideas. 
Very similar. 

1682
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,800
So similar categorization is the
Red Wedding. 

1683
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,240
But this isn't over, right? 
You, you can't think just 'cause

1684
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,960
they killed these guys that 
there's still a Garrison, you 

1685
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,240
know, and there's still Sparta's
not far away. 

1686
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,520
So Athens hears about this. 
There's there's news going up. 

1687
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,920
So a group of Athenians form an 
army. 

1688
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,720
This is not a state sponsored 
thing. 

1689
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,920
They just do this of their own 
accord, partly because they owed

1690
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,720
Thebes a favor. 
I believe I mentioned this last 

1691
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,320
time, but not that long before, 
during the Theban or during the 

1692
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:17,640
Peloponnesian War, Lysander 
established A tyranny within 

1693
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,560
Athens. 
After conquering it, he 

1694
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,760
installed the 30 tyrants, the 
Theban or the Athenian 

1695
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,080
Democrats, many of them fled to 
Thebes, had refuge for a while 

1696
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,560
until they were able to to expel
the 30 tyrants. 

1697
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,520
Now we have the reverse of that 
right? 

1698
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,760
Theben exiles fleet to Athens. 
So the Athenians are like, we 

1699
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,280
got to help pay them back. 
This is like divine, like this 

1700
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:41,080
is all a circular thing. 
It's like the, you know, and so 

1701
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,040
they, but they're like Tywin or 
maybe Walder Frey, they're late,

1702
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,560
they show up, but they don't 
actually engage. 

1703
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,320
They're kind of like, well, 
let's wait to see what happens 

1704
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:49,760
first. 
Maybe, maybe let's not commit 

1705
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,440
just yet. 
I want to see Thebes start to 

1706
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:55,360
win a little bit before we take 
their side. 

1707
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,680
Otherwise we're jumping on a 
losing cause 'cause Esparta just

1708
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,320
wins. 
Esparta just puts this fire out 

1709
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,560
and stomps out this rebellion. 
We don't want to have had 

1710
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,560
anything to do with it. 
So meanwhile, the other group of

1711
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,520
conspirators, Palapidis and his 
group, they arrive at Leon 

1712
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,720
Tides's house. 
They know they don't have a lot 

1713
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:17,760
of time because they don't have 
watches or cell phones to 

1714
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:21,120
coordinate their actions. 
So what's happening at the party

1715
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,720
might have already happened and 
then words going to spread. 

1716
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:24,760
So they don't have a lot of 
time. 

1717
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,080
Any, any moment, you know, word 
could start to spread. 

1718
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,320
It could be an outbreak of 
people hitting the streets, who 

1719
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,800
knows? 
They knock on the door, say, 

1720
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,000
hey, we're we've got a message 
from Athens, which is kind of 

1721
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,120
ironic given the message from 
Athens that should have been 

1722
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,560
delivered to Archaeus that he 
didn't look at a slave. 

1723
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,720
Opens the doors like, all right,
who are you? 

1724
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,720
And they kick the door in like 
as soon as he cracks the door, 

1725
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:54,320
they kick it in and run through 
and disperse. 

1726
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,040
They don't exactly know where in
the house Lentides is. 

1727
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,200
It's a, you know, he's a rich 
guy, so he's got several rooms. 

1728
01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:03,160
Lentides hears this. 
He starts yelling. 

1729
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:07,400
He's like slaves defend me, you 
know, and it's kind of a similar

1730
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:11,720
deal where this the demons are 
like, you know, don't don't get 

1731
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,560
in our way. 
We're not going to touch you. 

1732
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:14,880
You get in. 
You stay away from us. 

1733
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,840
We won't we won't mess with you.
All we're here for is Lentides. 

1734
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:22,360
We want your master, not you. 
So Lentides is in his own room. 

1735
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,000
He pulls his sword and then he 
gets next to the door so that 

1736
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,560
he's like hiding beside the 
door. 

1737
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,280
So if someone comes in the door,
they'll be in his blind spot. 

1738
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,840
He can he can hit them. 
That's exactly what happens 

1739
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:34,480
because he's the Doris burst 
through the door. 

1740
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,160
Lentides stabs him in the side, 
killing him. 

1741
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:41,720
The body falls at an awkward 
angle, kind of blocking the way,

1742
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,280
but Palopitus manages to get 
past the body, but he's the only

1743
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,760
one, so he and Lane Tides go at 
it. 

1744
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,280
Lane Tides is still shouting for
slaves. 

1745
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,880
They're not going to help even 
if they were coming. 

1746
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,520
At this point, Palopitus's men 
are in the hallway, and Lane 

1747
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,920
Tides is no slouch. 
Like we said, serious man, he 

1748
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,160
wasn't drunk. 
He's a warrior. 

1749
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,760
He's fighting Palopitus. 
He gets gets in a shot to 

1750
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,760
Palopitus on the head, doesn't 
stop him though. 

1751
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,160
The counter thrust right in the 
chest lintide drops dead. 

1752
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,360
The leader of the oligarchs, 
mastermind of the takeover, 

1753
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,000
which took three years. 
They held it for three years, 

1754
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:21,320
was dead thanks to this commando
raid and the skills of 

1755
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:25,960
Palopitus, Mellon and others. 
But now the resolve of them and 

1756
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,160
people like Epaminondas and 
Sharon, it's going to stop to 

1757
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:32,000
start to play out because I can 
once again, killing the leaders 

1758
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,360
doesn't get them their city 
back. 

1759
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:34,600
It's more it takes more than 
that. 

1760
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,000
And they had to kill that high 
Paytis guy as well. 

1761
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,200
So they they leave, they go 
after him. 

1762
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:44,000
He hears them coming, jumps out 
a window, runs away. 

1763
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,120
But he wasn't very fast. 
They got him. 

1764
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:50,240
They catch him, killed him. 
Next part of the plan called for

1765
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,520
them to free the prisoners. 
A lot of Democrats were still in

1766
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,000
prison. 
A lot of people that Lee and 

1767
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,400
Tides didn't like. 
He was prosecuting or rather 

1768
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,800
persecuting little of 1 little 
column a little from column B, 

1769
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:04,160
the molemarch Philidas went to 
the guard and was like, hey, 

1770
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,680
Archaeus wants this guy let out.
The guy that they were about to 

1771
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,480
execute, the guy that they 
argued over that morning, he was

1772
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:13,200
going to be executed the next 
day so that he was a priority to

1773
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,880
get out of prison. 
But the guards like, show me 

1774
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,560
your order. 
Like I can't just let this guy 

1775
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:24,600
out without like some sort of 
proof that Lentides gave this 

1776
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,280
order even though Archaeus is a 
pretty high-ranking guy. 

1777
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:30,200
Philidis is like, all right, 
well, here's my permission. 

1778
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,440
Here's my permission slip. 
It's a spear. 

1779
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,360
It stabs the guard with a spear 
and they let everybody out. 

1780
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,640
It's like the weasel soup 
incident, like this internal 

1781
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,000
takeover happens. 
They free all the prisoners and 

1782
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,640
the a lot of the prisoners join 
the effort. 

1783
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,280
They help the resistance. 
They help the revolution. 

1784
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:49,040
Some of them leave the city in a
group though, because they are 

1785
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,440
true exiles or they, I don't 
actually don't know. 

1786
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,640
It's kind of puzzling to me why 
some of them left and didn't 

1787
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:55,800
help. 
Anyway, they are going to pop up

1788
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:59,200
again in a minute. 
In the meantime, everyone starts

1789
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,080
parading through the streets, 
yelling and shouting and saying 

1790
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:05,560
the tyrants are dead. 
Land tides, Philip, Archaeus, 

1791
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:07,000
Hypaides. 
They're dead. 

1792
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:10,080
We got them. 
They start smuggling. 

1793
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,440
They start distributing weapons.
They don't have a lot because it

1794
01:33:12,440 --> 01:33:14,520
was hard to smuggle weapons in. 
That's the thing that they could

1795
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,080
they could get caught doing. 
But there's also like ceremonial

1796
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,600
displays like old swords, old 
Spears, old Shields. 

1797
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,320
They start grabbing those. 
Gorgidas and Epeminandis raid 

1798
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,600
the Armory, start handing out 
even more weapons. 

1799
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:30,200
The noise in the streets finally
gets the Spartans attention. 

1800
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,280
They're in the they're in the 
Garrett, they're in the cadmium.

1801
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:33,720
And they finally be like, wait, 
let's go. 

1802
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,440
I hear there's noise out there. 
And they climb up and they look 

1803
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:37,920
down. 
The cadmium's on a hill just 

1804
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:39,640
like the Red Keep. 
I called it the Red Keep of 

1805
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,880
Thebes. 
This is a good example of that. 

1806
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:46,280
So they look down on the city. 
It's night time, yet for some 

1807
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,160
reason there are lots of people 
with lights on in their houses. 

1808
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,120
They can see torches in the 
streets and they immediately 

1809
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,840
know what's going on. 
They're like, oh, this is some 

1810
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,960
sort of violent action. 
They're probably coming for us, 

1811
01:33:59,960 --> 01:34:01,920
aren't they? 
Yes, they are. 

1812
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,000
Lots of smoke. 
Lots of smoke. 

1813
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,720
Which somehow relates to that 
dream, right? 

1814
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,480
Only this, only the Fort was 
wreathed in smoke. 

1815
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,320
The rest of the city was 
wreathed in fire, which is what 

1816
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,520
we're seeing, right? 
The wreaths in fire are people, 

1817
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,120
though. 
It's not houses on fire. 

1818
01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:21,920
It's the revolutionaries. 
It's the rebellion. 

1819
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:25,520
It's the taking back of Thebes. 
So whether this dream actually 

1820
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:29,960
happened or not, I mean, I 
certainly lean towards no, it it

1821
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,680
makes for a great story, right? 
And it certainly is how they 

1822
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:37,520
told the story afterwards. 
But once again, the the Spartans

1823
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:41,440
are like, well, we still have 
the Fort locked down. 

1824
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:45,000
You can't get us out of here. 
But they tightened the siege. 

1825
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,400
They surrounded it. 
They're like, you guys are going

1826
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,200
to run out of food. 
You know, that group from Athens

1827
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,800
said, hey, we're going to help 
now too. 

1828
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,240
They were like, all right, you 
guys have done well. 

1829
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,560
We're going to help. 
We're we're ready to join on. 

1830
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,160
So they do that, they help out. 
This turned out to be decisive 

1831
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,040
because they needed more people 
to help with the siege. 

1832
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,560
Sparta responded, though. 
Sparta finally got wind of this.

1833
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,960
And remember, it's not far away.
They got an army together and 

1834
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,600
they sent Cleam Brodus. 
This is interesting. 

1835
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,600
They sent Cleam Brodus, not a 
disallow us. 

1836
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,520
Now I kind of wonder about that.
Just allow us as the one that 

1837
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,520
maybe arranged for this in the 
1st place, which might be why he

1838
01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:19,960
didn't go. 
It might be why he was trying to

1839
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:23,040
keep his distance because he 
didn't want to be incriminated 

1840
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:24,720
and having done this in the 1st 
place. 

1841
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,120
And also because he had shown 
how he's a little unreasonable 

1842
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:34,240
when it comes to Thebes, how he 
is willing to lose his own men 

1843
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,320
to a certain degree if it harms 
Thebes. 

1844
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:38,640
Sparta didn't like that. 
I mean, even though he's one of 

1845
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:40,920
the kings, they, they have 
limited ability to stop him. 

1846
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,480
The, the E Fours, the 5E Fours 
who can override the kings. 

1847
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,760
They have a lot of power too. 
And they, my suspicion is that 

1848
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,040
they're like, yeah, we need 
someone that's not just 

1849
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,160
motivated by killing thieves. 
We, we have a hegemony to 

1850
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:56,840
maintain here. 
That's what we're after. 

1851
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,600
We're looking for control, not 
revenge. 

1852
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,760
But it may also just be that he 
was trying to work the political

1853
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,080
situation or maybe still had 
that injury bothering him. 

1854
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,760
There's a lot of possibilities 
either way. 

1855
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:12,560
Sparta's authoritarian system 
their their lack of imagination 

1856
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,400
in their lower ranks caused a 
real problem here. 

1857
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,360
Remember, Lisenadoris was over 
there trying to seal the the 

1858
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:22,520
tomb of Alcamini. 
So the two second in commands, 

1859
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:26,240
Herpetus and Arcisis, they're 
like, all right, well, the 

1860
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,480
Spartan thing to do is to not 
give up. 

1861
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,840
So that's easy enough. 
Let's just not give up. 

1862
01:36:31,480 --> 01:36:34,360
The problem was that not 
everyone in the Garrison was 

1863
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:37,080
Spartan, not even close. 
Like Sparta doesn't have enough 

1864
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,600
people for that to put garrisons
all over Greece. 

1865
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,240
So they had Spartan leaders, 
some Spartan troops like a 

1866
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,400
corps, but then you have like 
allies and even a few Theban 

1867
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:51,520
oligarch fanboys. 
So on the inside they're a 

1868
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,400
little worried that maybe there 
would be some turn here. 

1869
01:36:55,400 --> 01:37:02,040
So they're they asked all right.
Normally we would just fight to 

1870
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:03,840
the death. 
We would not give this up for 

1871
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:08,320
any reason. 
But we're a little concerned, so

1872
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:09,800
let's negotiate. 
How about this? 

1873
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,720
Y'all? 
You let us go. 

1874
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,200
No harm done. 
You can have your cat Mia back. 

1875
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,400
Thebes is like, deal, deal. 
Absolutely. 

1876
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:21,480
You get the hell out, we won't 
kill you. 

1877
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,040
You can leave, but give us back 
our Fort. 

1878
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:26,840
That's what happens. 
They both agree. 

1879
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,560
No funny business. 
The Spartans start marching 

1880
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,400
home, the Theben starts 
celebrating. 

1881
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:39,160
On the way home the Spartan army
encounters the other Spartan 

1882
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:40,840
army, the one that was sent to 
help them. 

1883
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:45,760
And they're like oh I guess we 
should have waited one more day.

1884
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,680
That's all it was. 
One more day and the Spartan 

1885
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,880
relief force would have gotten 
there under clean brotis. 

1886
01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:55,960
Whoops, that's how close it was.
So that's bad because the 2 

1887
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:58,520
Garrison commanders are like 
this make this is really bad. 

1888
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:03,000
We look like wieners, we look 
like losers, we look like 

1889
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,880
cowards. 
We screwed up. 

1890
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:07,640
No one's going to see this in a 
good light. 

1891
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:13,200
So they run away, they flee, 
they go to Corinth where they 

1892
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,480
failed to escape. 
They just allow us had them 

1893
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:19,520
arrested or they were arrested, 
brought back to Sparta. 

1894
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,400
Do y'all remember the this is 
Sparta where they kicked the guy

1895
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:26,080
into the chasm? 
I think I told you in episode 1 

1896
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,160
that that chasm is real. 
That's where these two guys 

1897
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:30,680
ended up. 
Herbetus and Narcissus were 

1898
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:34,000
tossed into the chasm. 
That chasm had been in use as an

1899
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,160
execution method for so long 
they probably landed on bones 

1900
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,240
and not the ground. 
Yikes, right? 

1901
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,320
But this wasn't enough. 
Listen to Doris, even though it 

1902
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:48,320
was a just allows his orders to 
open that tomb and listen to 

1903
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:52,160
Doris was back at the tomb 
sealing, resealing it using 

1904
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,160
pious methods, told him by a 
priest. 

1905
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:56,080
He didn't know any of this had 
even happened. 

1906
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:57,560
He was in Haliartist doing all 
this. 

1907
01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,720
He didn't know thieves had come 
with a relief force. 

1908
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,360
He didn't know the Garrison had 
been defeated or or gave up. 

1909
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:06,480
So he was fined an amount that 
he couldn't pay. 

1910
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:08,840
So he had to go into exile. 
And then they killed his mother.

1911
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:13,960
They just killed his mother 
'cause she gave birth to a guy 

1912
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,600
who turned out to be a failure, 
even though they made him a 

1913
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,920
captain and all that. 
Really weak, really scapegoating

1914
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,680
him basically. 
The vindictiveness, though, 

1915
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,760
served a purpose. 
This on this irrational 

1916
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:31,240
punishment of Lisinodorus did 
have a rational undertone or, or

1917
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,640
strategy behind it, which is 
that everyone else in Greece got

1918
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,720
scared. 
They're like, oh, oh, Sparta's 

1919
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:37,240
mad. 
What are they going to do? 

1920
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:42,160
You know, we're scared. 
Athens got so scared that the 

1921
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:45,160
two guys that led that private 
force that went to help Thebes, 

1922
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:49,560
they executed them when 
Cleambrotus's army marched 

1923
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,200
nearby, they're like, hey, hey, 
Cleambrotus. 

1924
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:53,440
Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. 
Look, these guys LED that army. 

1925
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:54,400
We're killed. 
We're killed them. 

1926
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:55,600
Look, they're dead. 
See. 

1927
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,280
See. 
And they had Cabrius go out with

1928
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:01,040
a much smaller army to block a 
mountain pass into Attica, which

1929
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,800
is the the area where Athens 
exists. 

1930
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:06,280
So Cleambrotus probably wasn't 
going to go after Athens anyway,

1931
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,720
but they were making sure. 
So he blocked that mountain 

1932
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,600
pass, and that sent a loud and 
clear message that Athens was 

1933
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,520
not with thieves. 
Like, we're not with thieves 

1934
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:14,880
after all. 
And maybe we help, but hey, 

1935
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:16,440
don't. 
It's just a temporary thing and 

1936
01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:18,480
it wasn't an official capacity. 
Leave us alone, please. 

1937
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:22,120
We're not doing it so clear. 
And Brodus, yeah, he passes them

1938
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:23,400
by. 
He's like, yeah, well, we're 

1939
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:25,080
we're thieves is the problem 
here anyway. 

1940
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:29,760
So the Greek Game of Thrones 
would surely shift again here 

1941
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:31,880
because you got Athens, Sparta, 
Thieves. 

1942
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:33,160
None of them are allied with 
each other. 

1943
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,640
They're all separate, kind of. 
Athens is kind of like neutral, 

1944
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,240
just worried about Sparta's 
wrath, whereas thieves is all 

1945
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,200
about it. 
They're like, we're fighting for

1946
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:41,960
our lives. 
We're trying to change the order

1947
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:43,880
of things. 
We took our city back. 

1948
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:48,000
But we know Sparta's not just 
going to give up, right? 

1949
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,760
They got a new king in the field
and Athens is just backed down 

1950
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:56,160
on helping them again. 
So still, here's what Plutarch 

1951
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:58,920
said. 
The effect on Thebes and the 

1952
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,680
rest of the Greek world was 
significant. 

1953
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,320
Quote. 
The subsequent change in the 

1954
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,840
political situation made this 
exploit the more glorious. 

1955
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:14,200
For the war which broke down the
pretensions of Sparta, and put 

1956
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:19,560
an end to her supremacy by land 
and sea, began from that night 

1957
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:24,600
in which people, not by 
surprising any Fort or castle or

1958
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:29,320
citadel, but by coming into a 
private house with eleven 

1959
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:34,240
others, loosed and broke in 
pieces, If the truth may be 

1960
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:38,960
expressed in a metaphor, the 
fetters of the Lacodemonian 

1961
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:43,600
supremacy, which were thought 
indissoluble and not to be 

1962
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:46,120
broken. 
So Sparta took the city by 

1963
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:49,680
surprise, but they didn't like 
trumpet that too much because it

1964
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:50,800
broke the King's peace. 
Never. 

1965
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,720
Nevertheless, it was a big 
statement of power, and it was a

1966
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:56,400
statement of hey, we can get 
away with this, rules for you, 

1967
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:00,720
not for us. 
And Palopolis and team did more 

1968
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:02,240
than match the plotting of 
Leontides. 

1969
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:04,600
They undid all that and then 
some. 

1970
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,240
Foy, but awesome. 
Possibly it just allows us all 

1971
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,920
undone by this, all that 
statement of Spartan power was 

1972
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:13,440
flipped and made light of like 
you guys did all this and you 

1973
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:16,440
lost it to even less. 
So it just allows, of all 

1974
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:20,000
people, he's the one we are sure
is the most unhappy about all 

1975
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:23,400
this. 
I mean, he hates Thebes and he 

1976
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:28,280
was almost certainly a big part 
of that vindictive justice I put

1977
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,640
in air quotes. 
So he's coming. 

1978
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,200
He's not done. 
Meanwhile, the Liberators were 

1979
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:34,760
celebrated for their incredible 
achievement. 

1980
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:38,200
There was a little bit of 
celebration before they got back

1981
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:39,680
to work because they knew they 
had a lot of work to do. 

1982
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:42,560
Here's another line. 
The Night Wind Palapidis, with 

1983
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:47,040
no Fort, no walls, no citadel, 
but merely by bringing 12 men 

1984
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:50,760
home, loosed and struck off the 
shackles of Laconian power, 

1985
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,040
which had been seemed impossible
to loosen or break. 

1986
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,920
Yeah, so they just had to keep 
going. 

1987
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,600
The King's peace was broken 
again. 

1988
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:00,480
Persia would have it say too. 
What? 

1989
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:03,080
No matter what the wrath of 
Persia or Sparta would be, 

1990
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:05,880
Thebes was going to try to 
weather the storm, see if they 

1991
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,640
could do it. 
They have a new generation of 

1992
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:12,160
youngsters who grew up under 
this Spartan occupation, had 

1993
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:15,520
plenty of time to be mad about 
that, be caged animals. 

1994
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,120
Finally, when they were 
unleashed, they had great 

1995
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:18,680
success. 
It looked like the gods were on 

1996
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,400
their side, right? 
Look at all the coincidences and

1997
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:24,240
strange little twist that had to
happen to make it work. 

1998
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,480
If that letter got through, if 
Archaeus has been a little less 

1999
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:32,200
drunk, if one of the 
conspirators had turned on them 

2000
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:34,960
like they feared they would, if 
the bridle had been there. 

2001
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:36,920
Like, there's all these little 
things that could have screwed 

2002
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:38,480
the whole thing up, could have 
ended it. 

2003
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:42,200
In a era like this, you got to 
think the gods are on your side 

2004
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,480
when things go that well, when 
the luck is all on your side 

2005
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:46,600
like that. 
So they were feeling really 

2006
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,360
optimistic, really positive, 
really good about it. 

2007
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:53,440
But the first thing they had to 
do was make sure not to repeat 

2008
01:43:53,440 --> 01:44:00,480
the mistakes of the past, right?
Let's talk about the Sacred Band

2009
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,000
for the last part of our episode
today. 

2010
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:08,880
The Sacred Band was formed by 
Gorgadas and a man named Pamenes

2011
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:13,280
with heavy influence, probably 
from Plato, the philosopher of 

2012
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,720
all people stationed in the 
Kadmia. 

2013
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,920
So they, the idea was all right.
Well, we had this problem where 

2014
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,920
our Garrison wasn't even there 
because of this religious 

2015
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,480
festival. 
So let's not do that again. 

2016
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:29,800
But let's also have a competent,
strong city army that is ready 

2017
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:34,000
at all times rather than calling
men up when something happens 

2018
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,280
because that's too slow. 
We need, we need to be able to 

2019
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:37,360
react to things when they 
happen. 

2020
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,280
We can't be like, OK, we're 
under attack. 

2021
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,360
Get the army together, call 
everybody in from the 

2022
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:44,160
countryside. 
No, that's too slow. 

2023
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:47,920
So here's possibly a quote from 
Gorgadas. 

2024
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,600
It's definitely a quote. 
It just might not be from 

2025
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,320
Gorgadas, but here it is. 
It's great quote. 

2026
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:58,960
Homer's Nestor was no tactician 
when he urged the Greeks to form

2027
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,800
in companies by clans and 
tribes. 

2028
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:05,400
That clan might give assistance 
unto clan, and tribes unto 

2029
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,320
tribes. 
Since he should have stationed 

2030
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:13,480
lover by beloved for tribesmen 
and clansmen make little account

2031
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:16,640
of tribesmen and clansmen in 
times of danger. 

2032
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:21,200
Whereas a band that is held 
together by the friendship 

2033
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:27,080
between lovers is indissoluble 
and not to be broken, since the 

2034
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:31,960
lovers are ashamed to play the 
coward before their beloved and 

2035
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:37,080
the beloved before their lovers,
and both stand firm in danger to

2036
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:40,640
protect each other. 
Yeah, 150 pairs of lovers 

2037
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:44,640
stationed side by side. 
Well, at eventually stationed 

2038
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:46,760
side by side, as we'll see in 
the beginning, they, they went 

2039
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:48,720
through a little bit of a growth
phase where they figured out how

2040
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:52,920
best to use this group. 
But it's very Theban in origin. 

2041
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,640
Heracles, who was one of the 
patrons of Thebes. 

2042
01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:00,200
He had a lover named Ayalis that
was a man. 

2043
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:04,600
Yes. 
And the tomb of Ayalis is near 

2044
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:08,960
Thebes and it was very common 
like a like a kissing rock or 

2045
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:11,080
like the overlook, like the high
school place where all the kids 

2046
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,720
would go to to hang out on 
Friday night. 

2047
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:17,520
This was like the tomb of Ayalis
for young lovers, male lovers. 

2048
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:19,960
They would go there and swear 
vows. 

2049
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:23,080
They would pledge their troth or
whatever you want to call it, 

2050
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:26,520
pledge to be loyal to each other
as lovers. 

2051
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,240
And you know, so they put a holy
oath to it, you know, put a 

2052
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,800
little, put something official 
to it, right. 

2053
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:36,600
And as I said before, this is 
getting us back to the whole, 

2054
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:41,040
the whole Thebes of it, whereas 
you got this concept of love 

2055
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,800
being important. 
And no other city in Greece had 

2056
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:46,480
the relationship with Eros that 
that Thebes did. 

2057
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:48,920
Remember what I said about each 
city state has a different 

2058
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:50,680
relationship with each Greek 
deity. 

2059
01:46:51,480 --> 01:46:54,960
And I also said it's a marriage 
of Aphrodite and Aries, the the 

2060
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,760
beauty and desire and lust with 
war, right? 

2061
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,360
That's what we have mingled 
here. 

2062
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,080
You got Stevens who are becoming
militaristic. 

2063
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:02,400
They want to take their city 
back. 

2064
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,720
They want to push back against 
Spartans, which is going to take

2065
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:07,720
military power, military 
aggression, but they want to 

2066
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:12,840
have that on a basis, on an 
anchor, on a bedrock of love, 

2067
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:18,160
not of ideology to a state in 
terms of authority or in terms 

2068
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:21,720
of some other ideal, but in 
terms of love, in terms of that 

2069
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:24,080
bond. 
That's the most important thing 

2070
01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:27,200
that they're swearing on here 
that they're emphasizing as a 

2071
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:30,520
military ideal that just allows 
hated that. 

2072
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:35,600
I mean, again, the Spartans had 
male Spartans had male lovers 

2073
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,320
all the time, including a just 
allows, but they were sometimes 

2074
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,400
shy about it. 
It was like a don't ask, don't 

2075
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:43,640
tell thing, isn't it? 
Isn't it anecdote when a just 

2076
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,600
allows was in Persia and he had 
taken a liking to this young 

2077
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:49,960
Persian boy, which again, boy in
this context doesn't necessarily

2078
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:53,280
mean underage. 
It might, but it it's it's 

2079
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,200
better to think of as the term 
boy in this context is like when

2080
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,880
a British person says lad, but 
again, it might have been a boy.

2081
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:02,880
This guy comes to greet. 
It just allows and it's normal 

2082
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,960
for them to like do a little 
kiss thing like the Italian 

2083
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:07,680
greeting or whatever. 
And, and, but it just allows his

2084
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:10,840
like he's, he, he rears back 
like he doesn't want the guy to 

2085
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,120
kiss him 'cause he's ashamed. 
He doesn't want anyone to know 

2086
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:17,080
that he likes this kid and the 
kids like, wait, what? 

2087
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,080
And, and why don't you want me 
to? 

2088
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:20,760
It's embarrassing. 
It's awkward, 'cause it's like a

2089
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:23,880
moment in front of a bunch of 
people at court. 

2090
01:48:24,440 --> 01:48:25,880
And later just as I was like, 
hey, why? 

2091
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:28,160
What happened there? 
And his friends were like, what 

2092
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:32,520
do you mean what happened there?
You reared back, you shamed him.

2093
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:33,960
And he's like, well, I didn't 
mean to. 

2094
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,840
He was like, well, go approach 
him and tell him you're, you 

2095
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:40,000
know, do it right. 
So yeah, just allows goes and 

2096
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,400
plays it off and say, hey, man, 
why didn't you kiss me properly?

2097
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:48,280
And so he does so instead. 
So yeah, that's a little 

2098
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:50,760
different. 
So the marriage of Aphrodite and

2099
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:53,760
Aries in Greek mythology, they 
had seven children. 

2100
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:59,280
Eros was one of them. 
Phobos, Demos, Harmonia, Pathos,

2101
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:03,200
Anteros and Himeros. 
Eros is love and desire. 

2102
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:05,080
Phobos is fear. 
Damos is terror. 

2103
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:06,840
You might be like, wait, fear 
and terror are separate? 

2104
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,400
Well, Phobos and Damos were 
twins. 

2105
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,680
So yeah, it's about right. 
Harmonia, that's harmony and 

2106
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:15,440
concord. 
Pothos is yearning and Teros is 

2107
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,920
requited love. 
Not unrequited love, but balance

2108
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:20,440
and relationship. 
So Pothos is kind of the 

2109
01:49:20,440 --> 01:49:21,960
opposite. 
Pothos is unrequited love, 

2110
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:24,960
yearning and Teros is requited 
love, but also balance. 

2111
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,320
Like I said, balance within 
relationships. 

2112
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:28,280
So it's not like one person 
really loves the other person a 

2113
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:30,840
lot more than the other. 
That is something that Enteros 

2114
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,320
is supposed to be associated 
with. 

2115
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:36,560
And Himaros lust. 
Well that's simple enough. 

2116
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:42,200
Now, Harmonia married Cadmus, 
the mythical founder of thieves,

2117
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:45,360
the one who killed the dragon 
and then sewed the teeth in the 

2118
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,960
ground. 
So the marriage of Harmonia and 

2119
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,960
Cadmus is a balance between love
and strife. 

2120
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:54,920
That's what it's considered. 
And Harmonia had this necklace 

2121
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:59,000
that went through all these 
iterations of cursing people and

2122
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,200
thieves, and finally thieves 
broke the curse by giving the 

2123
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:06,280
necklace to the temple at 
Olympus so that it couldn't be, 

2124
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:09,680
so that it's mischief, its curse
would be handled. 

2125
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:13,080
That necklace is going to come 
back much later in our story, 

2126
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:15,840
certainly not today, certainly 
not the next episode, but we'll 

2127
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:17,720
get back to it. 
Don't forget the necklace of 

2128
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:20,600
Harmonia. 
Now, it's also important to 

2129
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,680
understand how they didn't just 
emphasize love. 

2130
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:30,120
The connection to love and Eros,
as in a deity of sorts, is 

2131
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:33,200
important here. 
That's why it's called the 

2132
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:38,440
Sacred Band. 
Plato says a lover is a divine 

2133
01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:41,920
friend inspired of God. 
It's the best type of human 

2134
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:45,040
connection there is. 
The Greeks revered it and it was

2135
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:52,960
like, there is no better thing 
than the love of someone who's 

2136
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:54,840
your equal. 
And of course, this was in this 

2137
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:56,120
society. 
It was all men. 

2138
01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:58,080
They didn't think women could be
equals. 

2139
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:01,400
But whatever. 
So and they also didn't have a 

2140
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:04,120
word for gay that there's no 
word for male. 

2141
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:05,600
It's just it's just all love, 
right? 

2142
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,440
They definitely had views on it 
that differed, but they didn't 

2143
01:51:08,440 --> 01:51:11,440
have they didn't distinguish it 
so much that they even had words

2144
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:14,240
to differentiate it. 
This is where Plato comes into 

2145
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:15,360
it a bit. 
Like I said, he was a, a 

2146
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,200
potentially a direct influence 
on the formation of this band, 

2147
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:21,960
at least an indirect one, 
because if you look read some of

2148
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,640
his works, like in the Republic,
he even mentions this 

2149
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:28,520
possibility of lovers fighting 
together in war. 

2150
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:31,720
And he wrote about it before the
sacred man was formed. 

2151
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:34,720
So that's that's a very strong 
argument that he had something 

2152
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,320
to do with this. 
And he only and he lived nearby 

2153
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:39,320
in Athens. 
It was like the guy lived in 

2154
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:42,360
this era close by. 
He had already founded his 

2155
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,280
Academy at this point. 
I believe I mentioned that last 

2156
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,320
episode. 
There's another quote from 

2157
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:50,520
Pamenes, the other important 
figure. 

2158
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:53,080
He was a he was a leader who's 
going to come up again. 

2159
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:55,720
Another Theban leader who had a 
lot to do with this. 

2160
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,040
He said a squad held together by
arrows cannot be dispersed or 

2161
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:02,760
fragmented. 
Since lovers and their beloved 

2162
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,960
feel shame if they disappoint 
one another, they stand firm 

2163
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:08,360
against all dangers on one 
another's behalf. 

2164
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:11,040
I think there's a lot of truth 
to that. 

2165
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:16,280
I'm no military expert, but that
statement in a vacuum, that's 

2166
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:19,640
pretty true when you're talking 
about people who actually love 

2167
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:22,600
each other Now, I'm not talking 
about people who say they do. 

2168
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:26,200
I'm not talking about a marriage
that's been dead for a while, 

2169
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:27,720
that people are going through 
the motions. 

2170
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:33,480
I'm not talking about, you know,
obsession or just lust. 

2171
01:52:33,480 --> 01:52:38,200
That's interpreted as love. 
I'm talking about genuine, 

2172
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:42,480
sincere love. 
And when you do love somebody 

2173
01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:45,360
that much, yeah, you'll do 
anything for them. 

2174
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,160
You won't. 
You won't shame them. 

2175
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:50,080
You won't back down, you won't 
run away when they're standing 

2176
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:51,600
there. 
You'll do everything. 

2177
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,840
It's a pretty interesting 
concept for the basis of a 

2178
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:00,000
military ethos, right? 
And it's very unique in the 

2179
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,520
entire history of the world, so 
that this is fascinating. 

2180
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:07,960
But the idea wasn't just all 
this group and who they would be

2181
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:11,760
and their unusual formation and 
value system. 

2182
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,160
It was also from a logistical 
standpoint. 

2183
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:17,000
It's like these guys are going 
to stay at the cadmium Whenever 

2184
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:20,760
they're not at war, they're 
stationed in the Fort, so they 

2185
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:24,120
can't. 
But we can't lose the Fort so 

2186
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:26,640
easily. 
Next time we'll have our best 

2187
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:28,800
guys. 
And they would also be state 

2188
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,400
sponsored. 
That's the other thing is these 

2189
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:32,840
guys are training all the time. 
They're like Knights or they're 

2190
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:36,160
like the Jason's mercenaries. 
They're training constantly. 

2191
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:39,520
There's no going to handle their
fields. 

2192
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:40,920
Other people are doing that for 
them. 

2193
01:53:41,680 --> 01:53:45,560
They're working on training. 
They're athletics, spear work, 

2194
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:48,680
discipline, whatever you, 
whatever you need, whatever they

2195
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:51,880
need to do. 
And this enables them to be on 

2196
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:53,520
display at all times in the 
city. 

2197
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,120
They can go and do their 
exercises in public and inspire 

2198
01:53:56,120 --> 01:54:00,000
the youth to join. 
They can go out and parades like

2199
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,520
we have military parades today. 
Sometimes they're kind of silly,

2200
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:05,600
but sometimes they're inspiring.
And you know when when the Army 

2201
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,760
is doing a good job, they're 
very inspiring. 

2202
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:09,520
And the Army had just done a 
great job here. 

2203
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:13,120
They just threw out Sparta. 
And this is the extent of that. 

2204
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:15,800
This is the extension of that. 
Rather, they're trying to build 

2205
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:20,320
on that wind. 
This is the the unit that forms 

2206
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:25,920
from that wind, that victory. 
That's their kind of the thing 

2207
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:28,080
that put the wind in their sails
here. 

2208
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:32,040
And it's kind of weird, the 
logistics of this group. 

2209
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:34,440
I've never seen any of this. 
I'm sure there's just endless 

2210
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:37,360
academic text that I'm not aware
of because, I mean, people have 

2211
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:41,080
been writing about this forever.
The Sacred Band has been very 

2212
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:44,880
popular in male gay culture for 
a long time for reasons that are

2213
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:48,320
kind of obvious. 
There's lots of literature on 

2214
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,440
it. 
They've been inspired male 

2215
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:53,880
groups from centuries past up 
till now. 

2216
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:59,760
A little more on that later, but
it's yeah, they're still to this

2217
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:04,320
day held in high esteem in 
certain circles even though it's

2218
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,160
been 2400 years. 
So. 

2219
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:10,800
But I have questions. 
Like for example, OK, so you got

2220
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:14,440
paired lovers in the group and 
and as I said later, pretty soon

2221
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:17,200
after this, they're going to be 
stationed next to each other. 

2222
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:19,720
At first they were kind of 
spread out, but now they're next

2223
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:23,960
to each other. 
So what does that mean in terms 

2224
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,320
of like logistics? 
What happens if your lover is 

2225
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:28,920
injured? 
Are you just not in the army 

2226
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:31,480
that day? 
Do you both sit out for a while?

2227
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:32,960
So that's kind of that seems 
like kind of a flaw. 

2228
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:35,720
Like one guy gets hurt and it 
actually takes two guys out, 

2229
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:38,280
even if it's only temper. 
And what if that guy is killed? 

2230
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:40,480
What if one of them is killed? 
Are you just out? 

2231
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:42,960
You don't have a lover anymore, 
so you can't be in the Sacred 

2232
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:44,240
Band. 
Maybe. 

2233
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:46,600
Maybe you find a new lover and 
then you're back in. 

2234
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:50,760
It's kind of hard to understand,
but that might be how they 

2235
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,120
always have 300. 
They there's probably like a 

2236
01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:57,280
maybe 100 guys in reserve that 
are currently partnerless or 

2237
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:00,760
their partners recovering, 
something like that. 

2238
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:03,640
Because otherwise it's kind of 
like, well, how do they manage 

2239
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:05,480
that, right? 
Like one guy gets, one guy's got

2240
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:08,080
a bad ankle and like both of 
them have to sit out. 

2241
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:11,400
So some of this is probably not 
quite as strict as it sounds. 

2242
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:14,680
It probably had some exceptions 
where single guys are in there, 

2243
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,400
you know, like their lovers back
at home injured, but they didn't

2244
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:19,840
want both guys to sit out. 
For example, like Palopolis. 

2245
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,600
We're going to have a few cases 
of Palopolis fighting within the

2246
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:25,360
Sacred Band. 
He's like always there. 

2247
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:26,440
You know, what is this? 
Is this? 

2248
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,240
Does he just have a lover that 
also never died, was always 

2249
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:30,840
there, never also never got 
hurt? 

2250
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:32,720
You know, was it hanging out by 
him at all times? 

2251
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:35,640
You know, I was like, or did he 
take new lovers every once in a 

2252
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:36,880
while? 
Or was it, you know, maybe, 

2253
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,680
maybe these guys did a little 
Polly thing where they have a 

2254
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:41,600
couple of lovers that way 
there's always one of them that 

2255
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,080
says to be available to stand 
next to them in the phalanx. 

2256
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:45,840
Yeah. 
It's kind of like, huh. 

2257
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,320
I wonder how they handled some 
of these things. 

2258
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:48,960
It it's not written about it 
all. 

2259
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:50,840
These are. 
This is pure guesswork on my 

2260
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:53,600
part. 
I don't have any firm answers 

2261
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:55,240
here. 
It just, it's I'm just very 

2262
01:56:55,240 --> 01:57:00,960
curious. 
So with Athens wavering, Thebes 

2263
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:05,720
offered Sparta a deal. 
They're like, all right, we'll 

2264
01:57:05,720 --> 01:57:08,840
rejoin your league. 
We'll we'll have peace. 

2265
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:11,240
Thebes and Sparta will not have 
any more war. 

2266
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:13,920
But you have to recognize our 
democratic government. 

2267
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,880
You don't rule us anymore. 
We're a democracy. 

2268
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,880
You guys can still be top dog in
Greece, you know, under the 

2269
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:22,320
Persian King's peace. 
We'll live with that. 

2270
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:26,800
But we're a democracy again. 
And that's that's our terms now.

2271
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:29,520
Spartan King Cleon brought us 
was like, like I said, he's a 

2272
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,800
bit of an Edmure Tully. 
He's not a nudist allows he's 

2273
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:33,280
not a Tywin. 
He's not a he's not nearly as 

2274
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:35,480
aggressive. 
He's like, all right, I'm of a 

2275
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:37,560
mind to let these negotiations 
play out. 

2276
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:40,680
Let's see what happens. 
Let's see where it goes. 

2277
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:44,840
In the meantime, Cleon Brodus 
had accidentally encountered 

2278
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:48,840
some of those prisoners that 
escaped that were let out by 

2279
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:53,080
Philetus and killed them all. 
So bad luck to them, they got 

2280
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:56,400
out of prison, they were freed, 
and then ran into a Spartan army

2281
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:01,560
by accident anyway. 
So Cleon Brodus is very keen on 

2282
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:03,840
letting this play out. 
He doesn't want necessarily to 

2283
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:07,240
have war between Sparta and 
thieves either. 

2284
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,840
And this reveals the division 
within Sparta. 

2285
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,680
It Just Allow Us is obviously on
the aggressive side, but lots of

2286
01:58:12,680 --> 01:58:14,880
Spartans are even more 
conservative than he is. 

2287
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:20,040
In the terms of Sparta, the Just
Allow Us is a progressive. 

2288
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:24,000
It sounds weird to say that, but
in Spartan terms it's true. 

2289
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:27,600
Because a true Spartan 
conservative would not be 

2290
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:31,320
conquering outside of Sparta. 
They would not be extending 

2291
01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:33,440
their influence like that. 
They would be keeping it tight 

2292
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:36,840
within their own culture and not
being influenced by all these 

2293
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:38,040
others. 
Because you see what happens, 

2294
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:40,640
They get influenced by huge 
amounts of money a la Lysander. 

2295
01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:44,240
We saw that last time. 
It throws off their the basis 

2296
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:46,240
for their culture. 
These, these sort of influences 

2297
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:48,760
come in and mess them up. 
And it did. 

2298
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:52,360
So while it just allows us 
pushing for all this, you have 

2299
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:55,360
people which Glenn brought us, 
maybe one of them, some of the E

2300
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:57,840
Fours, some of the other power 
people in Sparta whose names we 

2301
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:00,440
don't have. 
They don't want, they are of a 

2302
01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:04,240
mind to accept this deal and say
any sort of peace is good 

2303
01:59:04,240 --> 01:59:08,040
because we don't want to be the 
police of Greece. 

2304
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:12,120
And so he's like, he's letting 
messages go back and forth. 

2305
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:14,880
Glenn Brodis is sitting there 
with his army sending messages 

2306
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,760
back and forth. 
Now in Westeros, as we know, 

2307
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:22,160
this would take a huge amount of
time even with Ravens, right? 

2308
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:24,960
But remember how close 
everything is here. 

2309
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,160
Like it's just like a couple of 
days going back and forth 

2310
01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:30,200
between the Sparta Athens. 
So they could this happened 

2311
01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:33,320
fairly quickly now. 
So Cleam Brodis was like, yeah, 

2312
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:36,200
let's see, we'll accept that. 
I I'm OK to accept that. 

2313
01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:39,680
Let me see if the rest of Sparta
will no, it just allow us. 

2314
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:45,240
His camp is too rooted in their 
ways. 

2315
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:49,760
He is not going to accept this. 
He's like, Nope, he makes very 

2316
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:51,520
unrealistic demand. 
There's no way this is going to 

2317
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:55,520
happen, which is he knows this 
he he's making the negotiations 

2318
01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:57,720
fail to bring things back to 
war. 

2319
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:01,040
He says the only thing I'll 
accept is punishment of the coup

2320
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:04,320
leaders and reinstatement of the
oligarchy, which is obviously a 

2321
02:00:04,320 --> 02:00:05,760
non starter. 
They're not going to do that. 

2322
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:10,520
So this is this is the, you 
know, I'm not going to negotiate

2323
02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:14,560
one O 1 via negotiating in a way
that means the negotiations will

2324
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:17,160
end. 
So clean Brodus marched his 

2325
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:19,160
home, marched back home. 
After about two weeks, 

2326
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:24,640
negotiations failed, but nothing
else happened yet. 

2327
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:29,920
Thebes and Athens were still, 
you know, waiting. 

2328
02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:32,040
They wanted to see what would 
happen next. 

2329
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:33,920
They wanted to see what it just 
allow us would do. 

2330
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:36,000
And they wanted to rebuild their
own strength. 

2331
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,560
They still they had things to do
at home. 

2332
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:39,840
So like, yeah, any delay here is
good for us. 

2333
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:42,920
And it's winter. 
It just allows might have been 

2334
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:45,160
ready to attack, but he wasn't 
going to attack in winter. 

2335
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:47,400
Clean Brodis wasn't either. 
And if it just allows isn't 

2336
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:49,160
going to do it, then clean 
Brodis certainly isn't. 

2337
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:52,360
So winter they got at least wait
that out. 

2338
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:56,040
By spring, however, we're back 
to it. 

2339
02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:00,400
OK, folks, we didn't get as far 
as I wanted to in this episode, 

2340
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:02,520
but that's all good. 
Fun is fun. 

2341
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:04,800
Story is story. 
We're not trying to rush through

2342
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:06,600
this. 
I hope enough of you all are 

2343
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:10,160
enjoying this that we we're 
going to, it's going to be 

2344
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:12,920
worthwhile for us to keep doing 
it because I'm I'm very inclined

2345
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:16,240
to keep the story going. 
Speak up if you are for or 

2346
02:01:16,240 --> 02:01:18,040
against that. 
But if you even if you're 

2347
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:19,640
against it, y'all, we're still 
going to have lots of other 

2348
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:20,920
episodes. 
So we got plenty of other 

2349
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:22,200
content. 
If you're not into it and if you

2350
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:24,760
are, definitely speak up. 
A lot of y'all already have. 

2351
02:01:24,760 --> 02:01:28,760
It's very encouraging to me. 
I'm very into this topic and the

2352
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:31,200
related ones, as you can 
probably tell from my enthusiasm

2353
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:32,720
level. 
So I'd love to keep going. 

2354
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:35,640
I intend on keep going. 
Like I said, we got quite a bit 

2355
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:36,720
left. 
These characters are super 

2356
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:40,320
interesting to me. 
So we'll we'll reconvene in a 

2357
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:42,680
future date with the next group 
of next episode here. 

2358
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:46,040
And we'll have a few more 
Westeros episodes to close out 

2359
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:47,640
the year. 
I think the next one of these is

2360
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:50,840
scheduled for December. 
But regardless, you can check 

2361
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:52,520
with us or check on our social 
media. 

2362
02:01:52,520 --> 02:01:54,560
We always have our schedule here
and there. 

2363
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:58,680
And let's see a couple of 
closing thoughts. 

2364
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:00,960
I got to Scroll down to the 
bottom of this document because 

2365
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,440
I didn't get there on the 
natural course of things. 

2366
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:08,120
Here we talked about Palopolis 
and Epamanda, Epam, Anandis, 

2367
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:12,520
Jason Afiri, Cleombrodis, 
Datames. 

2368
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:20,000
We saw the deaths of Leontides, 
Archaeus and Philip and of 

2369
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,880
within the Garrison there, 
within the Spartan or the Theben

2370
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:25,760
oligarchs. 
We still have a lot of 

2371
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,680
characters going. 
We got Artaxerxes, we got a just

2372
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:30,960
allow us. 
We got Cabrios, the the Jaime 

2373
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:34,200
Lannister character. 
We got a Fikr tease and Farna 

2374
02:02:34,200 --> 02:02:36,440
Bezos, who barely appeared in 
this episode, but there's still 

2375
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:39,800
a lot of them left. 
We got Tirabazos and Darius and 

2376
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:42,120
Parasatus, our Cersei. 
She's not done yet either. 

2377
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:45,560
What's Tirabazos going to do 
about having his, having a 

2378
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:48,920
Persian Princess offered to him?
And then the king takes her back

2379
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:51,720
and marries her himself. 
That can't be good, right? 

2380
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:55,080
So yeah, we got a lot more 
coming. 

2381
02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:56,880
I'm excited to tell you about 
it. 

2382
02:02:57,480 --> 02:03:01,240
Until then, you know what to do.
But first actually let me say 

2383
02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:03,960
some goodbyes. 
We have Carl Carsnark says I 

2384
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,080
love this stuff. 
The more geeky greeky stuff the 

2385
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:08,600
better I say. 
Dornish Dame says Loving these 

2386
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:10,640
UPS. 
Thanks y'all appreciate that. 

2387
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:12,640
I got to give you all the trivia
answer. 

2388
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:15,720
Who formed the sacred band? 
Were you paying close enough 

2389
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:19,160
attention to the guy who started
it all that I said? 

2390
02:03:19,160 --> 02:03:23,480
Plato and Pamenes were involved,
but the man given top credit. 

2391
02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:28,560
Not Palopitas, not Epaminondas, 
not Mellon Gorgadas, Yes, the 

2392
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:32,640
cavalry commander who stood firm
when Sparta tried to get him to 

2393
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:36,680
reveal the Tomb of Dersey, which
only theben cavalry commanders 

2394
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:41,520
are given the location of. 
On behalf of Ashea, thanks 

2395
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:43,560
y'all. 
Our music was brought to you by 

2396
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:47,520
Joey Townsend, our video intro 
by Michael Klarfeld. 

2397
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:51,440
And if you want to check Michael
Klarfeld out, go to KLARADO 

2398
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:53,880
x.de. 
That's Clare dex.de. 

2399
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:55,760
You can buy his maps for 
yourself. 

2400
02:03:56,200 --> 02:03:58,480
There's lots of them. 
They're so cool. 

2401
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:01,520
And while you're at it, 
encourage Michael to make more 

2402
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:04,760
because he's got some other ones
under in the on the on the way, 

2403
02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:07,880
but they're kind of he's on a 
hiatus from working on it. 

2404
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:09,360
Every once in a while. 
He's you know, he's an artist, 

2405
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:11,480
you know, you get the you get 
the fire within you to work on 

2406
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:12,960
something. 
Well, he's got fire for other 

2407
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:15,000
projects right now. 
But if we could maybe one day 

2408
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:16,440
get him back to making these 
maps. 

2409
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:20,080
They're one of the best fan made
things that exist in the entire 

2410
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,320
Song of Ice and Fire fandoms. 
So yeah, let Michael know how 

2411
02:04:23,320 --> 02:04:26,880
much you appreciate his maps. 
And on behalf of Ashea, I'm 

2412
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:30,080
Aziz. 
We'll see you next time, Valar 

2413
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:31,480
Rereadus.