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Hello, my fellow West dorian's, 
welcome back. 

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It is Sunday at least when we're
recording, it might not be 

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Sunday when you're listening, 
but we're happy to have you, 

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whatever it is, you're 
listening. 

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How's it going? 
Shawn? 

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What you drinking today? 
It's going. 

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Well, I've read is drink. 
It's more purple. 

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I think from the protein Berry 
naked drink But it's trying to 

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get read for the Red Priest. 
Sixth Sense, makes sense or 

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Sameer. 
I appreciate the effort everyone

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else does too dirty, the dirty 
red like him? 

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Yeah, the axe that's a good 
point, dirty ready? 

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Yeah. 
He did call himself closer to a 

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pink-haired. 
Pink wizard later on. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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It's funny how both mokoro and 
Soros get called pink priest at 

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some point because the red turns
pink when it's out in the 

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elements for so long. 
You'd think if they're living at

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Temple. 
They'd get fresh robes from time

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to time, but when you're out and
about you can talk what might 

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some sort of red robe sale and 
we should have red robes, but 

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instead of our usuals, we're 
just kind of joking, but I 

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wonder if there is some 
symbolism to the idea that I was

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going to say that maybe like in 
the temple with their red robes,

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it's easier to be true to your 
religion but when you go out in 

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the world and kind of get worn 
down, but both these characters 

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seemed at least as resolved 
Ever. 

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If not more, that's a good 
point. 

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As your goes from red to Pink, 
that is a really good metaphor 

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for the strength of their faith.
How deep the red is, of course, 

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with mokoro, he didn't ever lose
any faith but it that would 

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apply you could apply that to 
other play. 

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It could apply to thoreau's 
because he did lose it. 

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Then it came back although he's 
his Garb is still quite tattered

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at this point. 
But you'd think as mere actually

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has the best clothing 
manufacturer in the world that 

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we know of, they probably have 
the best red robes, the temple 

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and me are probably the best red
robe priest that the He's come 

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to visit from Ashley either like
damn, y'all got some nice 

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threads? 
Yeah, they got. 

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Nothing marish Silk and marish 
Lace, good stuff there, but 

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we're not here to talk about 
that. 

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So much as we are to talk about 
one particular person who of 

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origin from from Mirror, almost 
out of origin from thoreau's. 

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Like he has any children though,
we know. 

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And if they, if he did have 
children, would they be like, 

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Shadow babies, too, but he's 
just doesn't give. 

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I don't know how that works, 
with men. 

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Hmm. 
So anyway, we'll get into that 

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though. 
Well, maybe not that but other 

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stuff about Thor us All this 
episode. 

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We're going to look at it, 
through his eyes as much as 

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possible, that should be fun and
it also is going to obviously 

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reveal things about the 
Brotherhood without banners 

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about real or about Barak maybe 
about Melisandre because we do 

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some comparisons little bit to 
mokoro as well, but more 

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Melisandre than mokoro because 
we know a lot more about 

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Melisandre than the 40. 
Shout out to our good friend 

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Nina, her latest blog post is on
Willis Tyrell. 

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The question she was given is 
Willis really going to be like 

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he's been built up to be like 
kind of a nice guy. 

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Is that really accurate is one 
question, are we is there 

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anything to read between the 
lines there? 

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So you'll want to read that. 
Check it out at good. 

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Queen Ali dot tumblr.com. 1l in 
a lie well this is the one that 

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got injured and like a he was 
young on his horse maybe to 

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Turner's have fire over a 
specifically, then people got 

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mad. 
But even Willis is like, I 

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wasn't opens fault. 
He was putting the tournament 

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too young and he's the heir to 
highgarden. 

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Next week, we have an episode on

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blood magic. 
We put up several Supernatural 

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theme topics and the winner was 
blood magic. 

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So we'll be talking blood magic 
next week and that'll be a lot 

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of fun. 
Did you know? 

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Martin's world is so robust. 
No, you didn't go. 

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Well, have I got some topics for
you. 

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We always like to do. 
Scribe the overlapping topics 

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that pop up when we're 
discussing one particular topic,

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no matter how broad or pond in 
we get there's always 

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overlapped. 
Other topics, in our catalog is 

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getting big enough that we can 
often point you towards some of 

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those other topics that we've 
covered in the past, we will do 

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that at the end of every episode
such as this one, an interesting

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point we talked about the best 
of us Kyle's last week and we 

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pointed out that like I sell had
basileus poisoned. 

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Yeah and rabbit near ran. 
A beer. 

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Sorry. 
I was in a renter beer. 

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He pointed out that if pycelle 
had that in Khyber now has that 

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doesn't do. 
Ya thing the same to think about

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the good boy? 
Yeah. 

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Car bird might be inherited. 
All those poisons. 

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It was a quite a collection of 
poisons. 

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That pycelle had basically 
everything. 

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Tommy, we got to see it when 
Tyrion went up there and stole 

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something. 
So he perused, it all before 

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making off with the one he 
wanted. 

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So you're right. 
That is a good point. 

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Good call. 
That is why we love to interact 

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with y'all are deep in the 
material. 

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I guess and think of things that
we don't always catch. 

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So the trivia question mirror is
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quality Goods. 
We just mentioned some of them 

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lace and silk but also carpets 
glass fire wine to weapons in 

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particular are famed to be 
manufactured in mere. 

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One of them is crossbows. 
That's the particularly most 

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famous One. 
What's the other one? 

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Bonus question, who is the only 
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We actually see wield this 
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It's referred to in a few places
but But only one person we see 

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actually wields. 
This other mirrors weapon up to 

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two questions there to answer. 
Is it a flaming sword? 

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That's a good guess. 
But, no, by the way somewhere, a

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my readings and studies for this
episode, I saw it. 

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There was some plants and mirror
that has a healing property. 

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That was an interesting little 
connection to thoris Bringing 

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people back from the dead. 
I don't think it's a trick, 

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like, Melisandre mixes her real 
Powers. 

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Which Rick's just to win people 
over. 

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Don't think that's the case 
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But an interesting parallel to 
be drawn. 

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Yeah, so thoreau's, we'll just 
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into tomorrow, so it's the 
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be. 
So did you know that Shawn? 

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I used to be so thoreau's. 
Before it was the authority has 

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George CH added the wild later. 
Yeah, it had a few different 

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names before it was settled on 
Cerrillos. 

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There was like soft arose and I 
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that I can't remember it, but it
had a few iterations. 

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Yeah, it's not the only one 
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Cause you obviously had like 
Burgesses and you know, yeah, 

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other names. 
Have been tweaked over time, 

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that's true, which is consistent
with real history and things 

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having different name you could 
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real world works and that sense.
So Thoreau says, mentioned quite

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a lot in a Game of Thrones he is
certainly not a character George

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added later. 
In other words, he's one that 

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George had plans for right away.
Those plans may have changed. 

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In fact, they likely did because
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plans. 
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immune to that, but that doesn't
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Throws has changed a lot. 
It might be relatively similar 

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to what he plotted out from the 
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One piece of setup. 
It's really important here. 

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We're not going to talk about 
show, thoreau's. 

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We're going to do book 
thoreau's, only show. 

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Thoris is interesting, but 
pretty different. 

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And we'll pick another time to 
talk about that. 

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When we talk about related 
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resurrection and the original 
plan for Catelyn and Lady 

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stoneheart, which changed also. 
And those things may relate. 

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But here, we're just focused on 
thoreau's what he's done in the 

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book and we'll guess at what's 
coming. 

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And asked some good questions 
that maybe can't be answered as 

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to what we might expect. 
Such as will he meet Melisandre?

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Will he meets? 
And or again, things like that? 

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Fun stuff. 
But let's start at the beginning

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with the Game of Thrones and 
then go even farther back. 

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Here's our first quote, from 
Sansa, the girls giggled over 

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the warrior. 
Priests thoris of mirror with 

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his flapping red robes and 
shaven head until the septon 

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told them that he had. 
Once scaled, the walls of Pike 

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with a flaming sword in hand, 
that's a little bit of an 

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exaggeration. 
The walls were broken by Stone 

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throwers and he rushed through. 
Reach. 

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But it's still an absurdly 
Brave. 

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Amazing thing to do just not 
quite as Brave as scaling. 

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The walls with a with a sword in
your hand like you. 

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Maybe should put that in your 
Scabbard while you're climbing, 

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man. 
I mean, just any way you put it 

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in a Scabbard, the Flames going 
to go out, gotta do what you 

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gotta do, right man, you can 
hear you. 

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When you're right, you're right.
Got to have that flaming sword. 

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It's a good thing. 
He shaved his head at that time 

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to write, but instead of Hera 
I'm serious, like I think that 

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is. 
Why you say someone's butt out 

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in the woods later, he doesn't 
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Luxury. 
If you could even call us love 

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razor and have his razor. 
That's right. 

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Even he makes that specific 
point and he's lost his razor 

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and what's funny here in this 
joust is the person we see him 

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beat his Barrack, he beats 
barrack in the Jazz. 

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Well, Santa's watching that just
kind of ends up being funny, 

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considering they're like they 
become best buddies. 

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He does lose eventually. 
We're not sure to whom though 

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because it comes down to it. 
We're just all it comes down to 

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a final four so we don't know. 
Maybe it was one of those final 

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for the beat him. 
It would have been interesting. 

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If one of the final four that 
beat him was either sander 

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aggregor Because he has a lot of
history and story has yet to 

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come with those two Gregor from 
the past and sand or more of the

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future, by the way, lost and of 
jousting, but one, the melee. 

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Yes. 
And here is the quote about 

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that. 
Victor was the Red Priest 

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thorough. 
Samir a Madman, who shaved his 

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head and fought with a flaming 
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He had Juan melees before the 
fire sword, frightened, the 

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mounts of the other Riders and 
nothing frightened thoreau's. 

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That's kind of crazy that he is 
one man. 

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I was like winning multiple 
melees, like meili's are really 

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hard to win. 
You got a bunch of people, just 

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all free for all fighting, it's 
got to be real easy, just for 

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someone to hit you and you're 
not even looking, you know, 

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knock you down or what have you 
to me. 

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Already suggests the scale of 
this guy and not just the skill,

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but his tactics, apparently, 
help. 

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Ya. 
Got it, right? 

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Like if you think about your 
entering the mail and you're 

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like, oh God, like the guy with 
a flaming sores entering? 

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I would I would be psyched out 
to. 

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Yeah, I'll get to him later. 
Let me, let me pick it this easy

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Target because he's also a 
really big. 

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He is not just such as the fire 
sword. 

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He's large varis. 
Mentions, how thorough search 

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would have been helpful to the 
plot to murder. 

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Robert talked about how they 
tried to con Robert into getting

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into the melee. 
Thoris is a great distraction. 

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Thoris is waving his fire sword 
around like if someone killed 

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Robert, Who would know? 
Like a wouldn't be thoreau's 

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because Doris and Robert are 
friends. 

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But that just goes to show like 
he draws the eye, whether on the

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battlefield, whether it's a fake
battle or a real battle. 

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The huge man. 
With the Flaming sword is going 

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to draw the eye. 
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thousand people around that 
really helps and makes him 

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interesting, just by itself, 
when he is sent with Barak and 

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several other notable men to go 
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his story really gets going, 
that's when it becomes 

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meaningful and he goes from 
someone, that's just due to 

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hangs around a court, drinking 
and chasing girls and hanging 

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out with the King and fighting 
whenever he gets a chance, fake 

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fighting to One. 
That's got a lot of Gravitas and

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with a lot of depth and has a 
full Arc, that is not complete. 

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Yet when we last see him jumping
ahead. 

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It's with Brienne and they have 
a quick conversation. 

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You are the mirrors priest, the 
red wizard. 

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He looked down at his ragged 
robes and smiled. 

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Ruefully the paint, Pretender 
rather. 

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I am thorough Slater of mirror. 
I a bad priest and a worse 

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wizard. 
You're the pink for tender on 

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the real deal. 
You're the real big John, think?

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No, no robes though. 
Hmm, you got the beard, though. 

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I you gotta Priestly wizardly 
beard. 

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You got that. 
So, there is a lot that came in 

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between Brianne seeing 
thoreau's, and Sansa seeing 

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Tauros and the melee and all 
that. 

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And even more before that. 
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not a young man and one of the 
reasons he's mentioned so much 

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early on is that he already has 
a well-established reputation. 

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Dating back to the time of King,
aerys, obviously septum ordained

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and heard of him Sansa hadn't. 
But Most everybody else had? 

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I mean Santa's what 12 at that 
point Ned certainly knew who he 

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was there's no evidence. 
He's concealed his age. 

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Like melisandre's surely has 
mokoro maybe has of kouros just 

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really hard to tell at some of 
the other red pre certain 

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habanero probably has a we even 
though we only see him briefly 

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it's an open question whether he
is super naturally, slowed his 

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age or now is doing that now 
that the old powers of Awakened,

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maybe he wasn't but now he is, 
it's unclear with a lot of 

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things about Him as a red 
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When compared to the others like
this one, like the age thing but

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he has wielded the power of her 
lore. 

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He has the abilities, he does 
use magic even though he doesn't

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call it magic, he calls it 
answered prayers but semantics 

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aside that might have side 
effects on just the use of magic

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for years sitting in a desk for 
a long time. 

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Can make you lean forward. 
More can put little stretch your

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neck, wielding, the power of 
real or that flame passing 

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through you repeatedly. 
You knows what that does to a 

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person. 
That's part of the aging 

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process. 
Anyway, he had completed red 

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priest training when he was sent
to Westeros and Aries and it 

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takes years to learn to read the
Flames, not to mention whatever 

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else he learned to do, while at 
the red Temple. 

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So I think we can pretty 
solidly. 

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Guess he's in his 40s, more 
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younger wouldn't fit the 
timeline given that he was sent 

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to Westeros prior to Ares, his 
death, he was there before the 

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Rebellion. 
So that's the early to 80s at 

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the latest and possibly earlier 
than that, Are now in the year 

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301. 
So he's been in Westeros at 

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least 20 years. 
Probably closer to 25 maybe 30 

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though I tend towards the 
younger and cause he's such a 

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strong fighter and it said he 
goes gray while out in the 

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wilderness and he wasn't gray 
before. 

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It's kind of hard to say. 
He was already in his 50s or 

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something like that, if he 
wasn't great at all. 

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But one point to make is, he 
might have been more great than 

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you realize, if you have been 
shaving, his Casa, great boys, 

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and inlets and growing all these
double eyes is. 

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The graves are yeah, good point 
but also you might go a little 

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faster and War, you know. 
Officer. 

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Yeah, yeah, that certainly 
happens to several people like, 

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theon's hair is prematurely 
white. 

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I wasn't entirely War but his 
violence and stress and Trauma. 

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And it's similar endings not to 
downplay those but also just 

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physical exertion and 
malnourishment just the war. 

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Sides is living in the woods for
a year in general that time. 

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Period is rougher than 
modern-day. 

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Yes. 
You know, even in that time 

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period, when you don't even have
the option of like a grocery 

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store, it's even worse when 
you're living in the woods and 

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hunting and being hunted and so 
on. 

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But I watched the brings up a 
question about thoreau's, 

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everybody. 
Ponder as we move forward. 

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Which by the way as always, we 
welcome your questions and 

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comments does thoreau's have 
this same. 

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I don't need to eat ability that
Melisandre. 

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And presumably MacArthur has it 
too because he was floating in 

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the ocean for like a week or two
and didn't die does stars also 

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have that ability because 
Melisandre doesn't need to eat 

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or drink. 
She does it occasionally just to

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keep up appearances, but she 
doesn't need to at one point it 

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stated that Barak didn't need 
that. 

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Yeah, he doesn't need. 
I want to say, quote unquote, 

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everyone else is eating but not 
bad. 

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I don't know if Doris is 
included in the air everyone. 

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I don't remember good point but 
it does seem like they pointed 

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out that Barrett didn't while he
didn't point out throws maybe 

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they don't want. 
Yeah that's a great Point. 

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She would have probably have 
noticed. 

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I mean you could still be eating
for the enjoyment of it and 

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because he doesn't make him sick
or whatever and not need to 

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write. 
He doesn't realize, he doesn't 

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need to hear. 
Ya used to always need to and 

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now that the old powers of 
Awakened and hey, that's why I 

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could start Razorback. 
Yeah, it was eating when you 

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didn't need it to be like he 
missed that class. 

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Is that the red Temple? 
He was not chasing girls again 

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and you look at birds like 
dornish. 

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Dame here says the amount of 
weight there arose loses makes 

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them think he does need food. 
Hmm. 

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That's a good cat. 
So, he is just a little 

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different Cut From a Different 
Cloth which given mirrors, 

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exceptional cloth production, 
that makes sense. 

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Saros in mirrors, our next 
section, he obviously wasn't 

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called thoros of mere living in 
me. 

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I would be pretty weird. 
It's just like I'm walking 

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around Atlanta being like what's
up, Joe of Atlanta hazy. 

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Of Atlanta. 
Yeah, Chay of Hawaii. 

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Given our guests to make she was
probably born in the late to 40s

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early to 50s, which is around 
the same time as they steffon 

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Baratheon, Robert since Renly 
and Stannis is Dad. 

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Ty, get Lannister, which was the
younger brother of Kevin and 

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Tywin. 
And then also a little before 

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Jerry, and who was the fourth 
brother that group. 

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So he'd be a little younger than
Aries Tywin, Kevin and Jenna 

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Lannister around that but 
roughly in that age range, the 

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king and Westeros would be egg 
on the fifth when he was born, 

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but thoreau's was of course, 
born in Mirror. 

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Which H, which is one of the 
nine free cities, not subject to

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the iron throne, but it's a very
important neighbor and not far 

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away. 
Not quite as close as pentos, 

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but closer than say braavos, he 
was born, the eight of eight 

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children, but was apparently 
unwanted perhaps his parents 

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thought that actually seven is 
enough, but he was also a large 

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boy with a commensurate 
appetite. 

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So may have been kind of like 
having nine kids. 

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He was eating for two, it was 
kind of like having twins like, 

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jeez, we were already struggling
to feed this Family. 

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Now you got this kid that eats 
so much that it's counts for 

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more than one. 
So Mary is a city of Plenty 

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though. 
It sits Atop The fertile Horn of

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Southwest esos, were it not for 
the constant worrying over the 

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disputed lands? 
The region could at large could 

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support a huge population but 
Perpetual war is the norm, still

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the Region's close to mirror are
said to be quite prosperous. 

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Apparently throws his family 
though, didn't catch some of 

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that trickle down from the 
prosperity, at least, not enough

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of it that they could feed all 
their children or at least take 

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care of them. 
Well, Well, mirror is a city of 

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Artisans known for these Goods. 
We mentioned during the trivia 

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question. 
Some of these guys aren't made 

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anywhere else in the world, but 
you don't just enter these 

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trades at will. 
These are still jobs that, like,

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in the real world, you just 
can't pick up this job on your 

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own, the skills for this. 
If you go to school for maybe a 

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trade school, or maybe more 
likely in a setting like this, 

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your family has a little bit of 
a connection and they have to 

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pay as an apprenticeship fee. 
In fact, that is why Ned knew 

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something. 
Up with Gendry. 

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When he went to see top Oma 
cassava mods. 

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Like yeah, I just took him on. 
He was a strong boy and I 

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thought he'll make a good 
apprentice and heads like bull 

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hockey. 
No one. 

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Does that all apprenticeships 
are paid for and there's tons of

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strong boys in flea, bottom. 
What's the real story here? 

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Similar deal here. 
Soros couldn't have been given 

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over to one of these artisans 
for a job because that would 

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have cost money and if they can 
barely afford to feed him, they 

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certainly can't pay this fee. 
So you got to pay to learn and 

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his family didn't have that 
money mirrors also amongst the 

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artifice and prosperity, it's 
also a city of temples and 

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there's no charge for giving a 
kid to a temple. 

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At least not to the red Temple, 
where thoris was given at a 

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young age given the abundance of
choices. 

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So, lots of temples. 
They pick this one. 

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Does that suggest to y'all that 
this was the family. 

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He came from were also 
worshippers of real or I mean, 

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they if they worship a different
God, they probably would have 

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given him to that Temple. 
Or am I reading too much into 

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what do y'all think? 
And I agree, but I also think 

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that it's also possible to look 
at bu multi religion worshiper 

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and look at him be like, well, 
this is the best Temple to be 

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given to you. 
I think that is possible as 

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well. 
Very good take. 

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I agree with that. 
Especially if like, your main 

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god, is the Drowned God or some 
other awful, whatever. 

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You know, that the red Temple 
will take good care of the kids.

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They have an infrastructure for 
it or whatever nicely there, 

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even just nearby, or they know 
other people in a red Temple. 

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I think it is. 
Worth clarifying, that mirror 

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isn't a city of real or per se. 
Right? 

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There's many different religions
and cultures all intermixed 

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there. 
Exactly. 

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I think there's a decent chance 
there. 

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I was also wondering if there 
might be some symbolism to the 

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idea that he's not one of the 70
that 8 goes outside, the seven. 

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Yeah. 
Good catch. 

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Totally didn't think of that. 
That's neat, note of George was 

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being I get in. 
Martin didn't make him the 9th 

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kid, or the fifth kid, you know.
Yeah. 

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Good point. 
I like that. 

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I never thought of that says he 
Given to the temple as opposed 

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to Seoul as in slavery. 
Mirror is a slave City. 

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His have a slave brand slaves 
and mirrors supposedly branded 

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we as if he has a slave brand we
don't know of it. 

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So I think this he's either 
softening the story and he 

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really was given as a slave and 
he just doesn't like saying that

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or and his parents got some 
money out of it or that's just 

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not on the table and it was they
just it's just how it works that

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he was going to quote given, but
it not as chattel. 

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But as they devoted him to real,
or I Like the right word for it,

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but there's something in between
slave and what he is and 

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education and as a future and 
security and everything and it 

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still sucks. 
Not have your Liberty but I can 

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see how thorough. 
Smite not feel his enslavement 

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is as much a punishment. 
Yeah, not pretty. 

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I do. 
Remember you how they decide who

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to Brand? 
Yeah. 

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Like what's his legal status in 
the city? 

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Like I don't think he's legal 
status of a slave but he might 

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not have been allowed to leave 
the red Temple either. 

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Yeah. 
Might just be like a difference 

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in like you if you're an actual 
Citizen of mirror and you're 

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submissive Skinner devoted to 
the mirror red Temple, right? 

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Yeah. 
Like oh well you're 

450
00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:13,400
grandfathered and is you're not 
a slave because you're, you 

451
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,900
know, it might be like say that 
like an army where you're not a 

452
00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:19,200
slave, but you signed away some 
of your rights for a certain 

453
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,500
amount of time and you can't 
just leave. 

454
00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:21,600
Yeah. 
Like it's not a car. 

455
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,300
It's not like not like a job, 
you can just quit. 

456
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:27,200
So it might be more like that 
where you've made a commitment a

457
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,800
box to get. 
You'll see Undertaker. 

458
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,000
Here says perhaps therosis 
slave, tattoos on his ass. 

459
00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:34,400
It's possible. 
He has one that is not in a 

460
00:21:34,408 --> 00:21:38,100
visible. 
Pot would be hilarious, or some 

461
00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,500
glamour covering it up. 
You never know it's in the realm

462
00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:44,200
of possibility is possible. 
I do Wonder, it's a question for

463
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,400
later. 
I was like, does thoreau's know 

464
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,000
how to do glamour's. 
Is that a thing? 

465
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,900
We've never seen him do one, 
doesn't mean he can't inquest. 

466
00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:54,200
That would be a Twist by the 
way, if his family gave him to 

467
00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:57,800
real or because they're devout 
real or assists, and he's not 

468
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,000
very devout. 
But then he does eventually 

469
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,900
become pretty devout. 
He's devout now he's become 

470
00:22:02,900 --> 00:22:06,900
devout given, he's seen well, 
The old Powers woken the proof 

471
00:22:06,900 --> 00:22:09,700
was there and he resurrected 
someone that's going to make a 

472
00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:11,800
Believer out of you especially 
when you're already sort of 

473
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,500
predisposed towards it. 
So perhaps they didn't intend to

474
00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:17,900
give him away. 
And anyway, this is all open 

475
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,300
questions as to his upbringing. 
So at first, the temple may have

476
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:23,700
regretted accepting him, he 
claims to have been wild, he led

477
00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:27,900
other kids his age into kitchen 
raids which is kind of a fun 

478
00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:29,600
portent of what he's going to do
in the Brotherhood. 

479
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,700
Without banners ladies rating 
food to give to people later, 

480
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:36,800
like it's not as Musing or 
light-hearted. 

481
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,600
But it is, it's got 
foreshadowing for what? 

482
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,700
He does with his life later, he 
also gets caught with girls in 

483
00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,300
his bed, which wasn't allowed, 
but clearly the punishments 

484
00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:48,600
weren't. 
So severe that he stopped or 

485
00:22:48,608 --> 00:22:49,600
maybe just thought it was worth 
it. 

486
00:22:49,608 --> 00:22:52,400
Anyways, like that's worth it 
regardless, he was Brave, not 

487
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,500
afraid of being caught, not 
afraid of rebelling against 

488
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,100
Authority, which is pretty 
crucial for his character. 

489
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,000
Perhaps given the lack of true 
parenting. 

490
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,400
He received near the eighth of 
eight and giving away sounds 

491
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,300
like he was under parented and 
he certainly wasn't Parented the

492
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,000
temple, they instructed him and 
raise him. 

493
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,400
That's not Paris. 
On the same as parenting coupled

494
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,900
with his natural size his 
prowess and all these other 

495
00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:16,000
things. 
Yeah, I could see how he was a 

496
00:23:16,008 --> 00:23:19,900
handful for any person in charge
of his upbringing, whatever you 

497
00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:21,600
want to give whatever title you 
want to give them. 

498
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,700
But he was gifted to not just 
big and loud and capable, he 

499
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,600
performed which may have helped 
him, get away with some of his 

500
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,100
rule-breaking like. 
Yeah, he's obnoxious and out of 

501
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,700
line, but he's Good at stuff. 
He can get away with a lot when 

502
00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:38,600
you're good at stuff. 
We've all seen that in the real 

503
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,000
world, Ad nauseam. 
Thoros showed a solid talent for

504
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,900
flame reading and other Priestly
matters, but he wasn't that 

505
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:50,400
Pious but crucially he showed 
aptitude with languages. 

506
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:53,800
Now me Rish is already not that 
different than common. 

507
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,800
If you were doing a language 
chart, may be really close 

508
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,900
together which is part of why 
the red Temple sent him West? 

509
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,900
They were like, well this kid, 
those languages, he's got some 

510
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:04,300
other skill, maybe they wanted 
to get rid of him. 

511
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:07,600
That's It's not unlikely that 
they were ready to have him be 

512
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,000
somewhere else. 
But he would have lived there 

513
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,400
long time, probably, as long, as
two decades of up to 20 years, 

514
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,600
of living, at the temple being a
troublemaker. 

515
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,500
But also showing his aptitude 
and it's supposedly takes a long

516
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:22,100
time to learn to read the flame.
So, that's one of the reason we 

517
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:23,500
can be sure he was there for a 
while. 

518
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,700
For example, Melisandre once 
said to Davos quote, it takes 

519
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:31,200
years of training to see the 
shapes beyond the flames and 

520
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,100
more years still to learn to 
tell the shapes of what will be 

521
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:41,200
from what may be or what was 
even then it It comes hard hard.

522
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,100
You do not understand that you 
men of the sunset lands, she 

523
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:48,000
means Westeros the, someone 
refer to the sunset lands. 

524
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,800
Boris does understand. 
He is not a man of the Sunset 

525
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,200
Lounge though. 
He has been living there. 

526
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,500
Half his life. 
By the way, I interpret that to 

527
00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:58,600
mean it. 
Most I'm just still doesn't 

528
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:04,300
really get it right. 
I think this is sort of like, a 

529
00:25:04,308 --> 00:25:07,500
little bit of I have this power 
but I don't really understand 

530
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:09,000
it, but I'm going to pretend 
like I do. 

531
00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,800
And it's really hard, but the 
fact is, I don't always get it 

532
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,800
right, even me, I don't always 
get it right. 

533
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,500
That a great difference between 
those two Melisandre is such 

534
00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:20,100
certainty and therosis like, who
knows? 

535
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:23,800
Just trust in real, or I have 
faith, but I have no idea at one

536
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,600
point. 
He's like, I'm a blind fool. 

537
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,000
I'm probably not reading this 
for you. 

538
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,100
I'm trying. 
I see these Visions but you know

539
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:32,900
I don't always get her 
melisandre's like in section 

540
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:37,000
four point three of the real 
Orest prophecy code or you know,

541
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,600
it says she's got down. 
To a particular San Anselmo. 

542
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,100
She presented that way, right? 
Charlie, she's playing. 

543
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:48,700
I hope Stannis is the one true. 
They're like mini did this? 

544
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,000
There really are opposite ends 
in a lot of ways of this, it's 

545
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,600
really neat. 
I love how George is presented 

546
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,800
that and more Melisandre and 
thoros comparisons throughout 

547
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,100
this episode. 
I also wondered like his 

548
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,200
day-to-day life not a lot to go 
on there. 

549
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,700
What it's like a mere. 
We haven't covered mere 

550
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,400
individual yet. 
I don't know. 

551
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,500
That would really help that much
for something like this, but it 

552
00:26:05,500 --> 00:26:08,000
would maybe give us a little 
more, but he just spent most of 

553
00:26:08,008 --> 00:26:12,000
his life inside the temple. 
And really probably live in near

554
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,700
per se. 
He probably didn't go around a 

555
00:26:13,708 --> 00:26:15,700
lot, right? 
He mostly spent his time 

556
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,100
learning and like a lot of 
people in University, do there, 

557
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:20,800
especially people live on 
campus. 

558
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,600
You don't necessarily get around
a whole lot. 

559
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:26,100
Need a wonders to, like, do they
teach them how to fight? 

560
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:28,800
Maybe the ones that have 
aptitude for it? 

561
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,800
They teach or they give some 
further instruction. 

562
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,000
Like, there's people like Sam 
who are just kind of hopeless 

563
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,500
that fighting like there. 
No, no matter what, how you 

564
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:36,900
teach them are. 
Never going to get a good at. 

565
00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:38,100
It's kind of a waste of time as 
well. 

566
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,200
Just learn other skills. 
Eels, but some like, Dario's, 

567
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,700
like, this guy's got extreme 
aptitude for fighting. 

568
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:45,700
Maybe they developed that a bit,
make him, you know, because they

569
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:50,500
do have like a battalion, the 
fiery hand, and yeah, although I

570
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,300
don't know if the existing 
mirror they probably do, they 

571
00:26:52,308 --> 00:26:54,400
definitely exist in volantis and
they definitely. 

572
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,200
So maybe that's a standard 
operating procedure for red 

573
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,800
temples. 
So you can imagine they probably

574
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,000
need some guards you know 
someone to watch the food or the

575
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,400
watch, the gate or I don't know,
protect the kids or whatever it 

576
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,400
is, you know, maybe they just 
And the honest infrastructure of

577
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,500
the city of near but maybe they 
take it into their own hands. 

578
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,100
Yeah. 
Yeah it's funny because like if 

579
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:20,000
he didn't have the aptitude they
might have made him a warrior 

580
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
guard, but he's also on 
disappointed that he wouldn't 

581
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,400
have. 
Maybe been that good at that 

582
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,000
either. 
But so it's like no wonder 

583
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,200
they're like send this guy 
overseas. 

584
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:32,100
Yeah, I really wonder about his 
family what to do with his older

585
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:34,000
brothers and sisters as he know 
any of them does? 

586
00:27:34,008 --> 00:27:35,700
He love contact with any of 
them? 

587
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,900
Does he have any contact to 
mirror at all? 

588
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:40,600
Does he know people there? 
R or is it just been so long 

589
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,800
that it's all dried up now? 
George left, it open for a lot 

590
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,600
and you know, whether he'll fill
it in, I don't know. 

591
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,100
But because you can imagine he 
was brought to the temple as an 

592
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:52,800
infant and he only knows that 
because they told him, yeah, it 

593
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,700
might not even be true, right? 
But maybe he went there at age, 

594
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:58,600
nine after his family didn't 
know what to do with him he may 

595
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,100
be cause of the trouble may be 
like the red Temple or maybe his

596
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:03,800
way. 
Maybe some of those other 

597
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,800
siblings also went there. 
Yeah you can imagine him still 

598
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,000
having he doesn't talk about 
them much. 

599
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,000
It seems like he probably 
doesn't have particular ties to 

600
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,200
the yeah. 
But he doesn't talk about them. 

601
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,500
Negatively doesn't, I don't, 
it's gonna want to succeed 4000 

602
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,700
things that like a lot of very 
Serene religious. 

603
00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:22,600
People can be very accepting of 
just whatever the world has 

604
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,300
dealt them. 
Even if it's sort of like a 

605
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,600
crappy hand, we might call bad 
luck or bad parenting or 

606
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:31,800
societal ills, or whatever. 
You see this a lot with people 

607
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,100
of that ilk, I think of just 
accepting whatever it is and 

608
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,100
maybe there is some pain and 
some trauma but he doesn't want 

609
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:38,900
to speak to it. 
He handles. 

610
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:41,500
It this way by just putting it 
in the past or just accepting it

611
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:45,100
being Zen about it. 
Also, it would be 30 or more 

612
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:48,300
years in the past, it would go. 
So he may have gotten over it 

613
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,100
and enjoyed enough. 
The world seen enough other 

614
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,500
suffering to put his own in 
check or whatever. 

615
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,700
On the other hand, here's the 
take from Nina that I think is 

616
00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,000
pretty powerful. 
She says, I don't get the sense 

617
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,100
that thoris was with his family 
for very long given that he 

618
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,600
barely mentions them at all, 
we're not in throws his head, 

619
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,200
the way we are in melisandre's, 
but it's worth comparing 

620
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,400
melisandre's, clearly, painful, 
memory of being sold as a slave,

621
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,500
which was a Time ago, we're 
talking like a hundred years 

622
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,900
ago, if not more maybe and she 
hasn't forgotten about it. 

623
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:17,100
I mean it's trauma, it doesn't 
just go away, right? 

624
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,400
But were, if we were in Thor's 
his head, he might be having 

625
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,000
traumatic dreams or might 
occasionally have something like

626
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,600
a vague memory of his mother or 
his father just barely because 

627
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,800
he doesn't remember them very 
well. 

628
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,900
Something like that. 
Som like an outline like saying 

629
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,700
like Gendry barely remembering 
his mother you know thing like 

630
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,900
that. 
You can also Imagine Melisandre 

631
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:36,300
through her life experiencing 
more trauma. 

632
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:39,800
Like yeah, constantly as a woman
was a slave Created a second 

633
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,800
hand and know who. 
Right, right? 

634
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,700
Where's thoreau's was like 
hanging out with a king? 

635
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:45,900
Getting drunk having fun? 
Like how can I be? 

636
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:48,000
Yeah, it's it happen. 
Is your little easier for him to

637
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,300
get past the point. 
Good point. 

638
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:52,000
Like not. 
Not just a man, not just a man 

639
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,500
who found himself in better 
circumstances, later in life, 

640
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:56,800
but a large man in a warrior 
culture. 

641
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:59,300
Brave Warrior, like he just had 
people, just respect him a 

642
00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:02,200
little more for that, just for 
the way he was born. 

643
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,500
I think also might be a reason 
he's drinking so much to maybe 

644
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:09,000
he's trying to absolutely been 
side or excellent. 

645
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,800
Yeah, I think maybe a lot of 
that might be trying to forget 

646
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,100
some of these dreams. 
We've seen lots of people with 

647
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,500
visions, drink to forget dare on
the drunkard. 

648
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Yeah, you Melisandre. 
I don't even know that she can 

649
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,900
get drunk, you know, where 
everybody works. 

650
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:25,200
Like she doesn't eat food, like 
Earl, we can't make any 

651
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,600
assumptions about anything about
consumption with her or mokoro. 

652
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,300
I kind of doubt Melisandre could
get drunk but she can get high 

653
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,800
on real or he get high on fire 
one of my favorite pants. 

654
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:39,600
There are that have the early 
skill in flames and we've seen 

655
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,000
it at least once during the 
novels and it's implied that 

656
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,900
he's done it more than once. 
Nina says, it's interesting. 

657
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:48,200
The thoris never mentions 
receiving any sort of vision of 

658
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,900
ozora, high much less having 
been sent to find a Zora High. 

659
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:56,300
Despite noting his talent for 
flame, reading the mirror, shred

660
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,000
Temple may look at things a 
little differently or maybe he's

661
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,500
just going his own way or we 
don't melisandre's kind of on 

662
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:05,500
her own to she's doing some 
things kind of outside of The 

663
00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:09,800
scope of the general red Temple 
leadership but their General, 

664
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,700
red Temple leadership through 
Pinero and mokoro are also 

665
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:17,300
looking for as or high and they 
think they've found her in the 

666
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:18,400
nearest. 
Yeah. 

667
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,700
But so far thoreau's and Nelson 
either of them are on that track

668
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,500
males and females on these or 
high track. 

669
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:27,200
Not on the Danny track thoris 
isn't on either at least not 

670
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,900
yet. 
You wonder about that was it is 

671
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:31,800
education. 
Almost when you had to include a

672
00:31:31,808 --> 00:31:34,300
Zora, hi stuff. 
I mean, it's part of their 

673
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:37,000
ancient literature, but don't 
know. 

674
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,500
We also wonder about other 
spells. 

675
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:42,800
He may have learned near the end
will kind of wrap up and look 

676
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,900
back, and say, okay, these are 
the Magics we've seen him use 

677
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,800
these are magics, maybe could 
use, but hasn't that's a 

678
00:31:47,808 --> 00:31:50,300
question for ongoing. 
So he goes to Westeros. 

679
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:53,300
Let's just go there, we can't be
sure where he was when the 

680
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:57,100
tragedy of summerhall occurred, 
but given that it was a huge 

681
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:59,700
fiery. 
And because it was a huge event,

682
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:02,700
no matter who you are, the red 
Temple, and mirror, not to 

683
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:04,400
mention. 
The other red temples would have

684
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,700
taken notice. 
I mean, attempting to wake 

685
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:12,300
dragon eggs from Stone through a
ritual is, after all spoken of 

686
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:17,400
in the text, the red priesthood 
have more than awareness of have

687
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,100
access to it. 
It's part of their thing, right?

688
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:22,200
Like something Melisandre. 
Pete's is something we hear them

689
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,700
talk about. 
It comes up in several places. 

690
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,600
So this timing is interesting 
because thoros would have been 

691
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,700
young around, man. 
Then but he would have probably 

692
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:33,200
been already been at the temple 
by then some are hopping into 

693
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,000
59. 
So thoreau's would have been 10 

694
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,100
ish roughly then good chance. 
He's already at the temple. 

695
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:45,000
They may have considered sending
one of their own red priests to 

696
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,300
Jerry's the new king, but the 
war of nine Penny Kings broke 

697
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,600
out pretty quick in his Reign 
and maelys. 

698
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,700
The monstrous black fire 
attempted to claim the throne, 

699
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:56,100
so maybe they're like. 
Well, let's wait and see who 

700
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,900
wins here. 
And then, we'll Apparently in an

701
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,100
earlier draft of Dance, with 
Dragons, George had maelys, the 

702
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,800
Monstrous trying to hatch dragon
eggs and 2 as well by 

703
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,000
sacrificing his own son. 
So yeah, again, we have this 

704
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,100
being played around with in a 
city, next door to mirror that 

705
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:14,800
would have been in Thai Roch, 
that that happened anyway, so, 

706
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,700
Jerry's died. 
He had a really short range, so 

707
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:18,800
maybe then they were like, all 
right. 

708
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,900
Maybe now we send somebody, but 
we don't know when thoros was 

709
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:24,300
sent. 
We don't know if thoris was sent

710
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:26,900
because in part they wanted to 
get rid of him or because they 

711
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,800
started think, well, maybe we We
should be trying to talk to this

712
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,400
King here. 
Maybe we should be getting 

713
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,500
involved in their business if 
they're trying to hatch dragons 

714
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:36,900
from Stone and this new king 
aerys is obsessed with fire. 

715
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,900
By the way, we talk about areas 
is fire Obsession, maybe having 

716
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:44,200
started, because of Summer haul,
he witnessed his whole family 

717
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,400
died to Wildfire and then later 
in life. 

718
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,200
Becomes obsessed with Wildfire. 
Hmm. 

719
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,200
That sounds like, it could be 
related. 

720
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,000
That's a big Topic in our summer
haul episodes. 

721
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,100
Both of them. 
We have to. 

722
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,200
I think sometimes when you say 
they sending thoreau's over when

723
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,500
they Do it or who is their 
leadership of? 

724
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:04,300
How much of the red Temple and 
mirror? 

725
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:07,200
What about red temples. 
And other places didn't they 

726
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,300
send Melisandre? 
Like, I don't know how on the 

727
00:34:10,308 --> 00:34:12,699
same page all of them and now 
they might all be on the same 

728
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,100
page more than the typical 
organization. 

729
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,400
If they can see the same stuff 
in Flames, I can imagine it just

730
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,500
being one leader. 
Had this idea one time and it 

731
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:23,000
wasn't necessarily this meeting 
of all the headcount. 

732
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,400
Yeah, you know, or something? 
Yeah, good. 

733
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,000
It's been one guy like. 
All right, I'm sending you to 

734
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:27,800
like in there was like, hey, 
what happened to throws, like I 

735
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,199
saw him too. 
Well, Gross, you know like oh 

736
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,600
all right fine, you know, who 
cares? 

737
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,600
A lot of open questions there. 
It's possible that we'll find 

738
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,500
out one day. 
Why more about this? 

739
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,500
But either way, Thoreau says it 
has a lot to do with Aries, his 

740
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:42,800
love of fire. 
And the way that, you know, 

741
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,699
they're looking for a 
trickle-down effect convert the 

742
00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:47,500
king, maybe he converts other a 
lot of other people or forcibly 

743
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:51,199
convert people either way. 
He's, you can see, the intuitive

744
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,300
sense. 
The logic behind starting at the

745
00:34:53,308 --> 00:34:57,100
top even though it doesn't work 
even though it works better. 

746
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,600
The opposite way later. 
Starting at the bottom and 

747
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,900
working through the commoners. 
But at the time, you know, 

748
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:04,500
there's a certain logic to this,
there's two sides to this. 

749
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,800
If we thought it was an 
important task, why would they 

750
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,200
send a guy that they were just 
trying to get rid of? 

751
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:09,600
You know what I mean? 
Like, oh maybe was both. 

752
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200
Maybe they didn't like him, but 
they still recognize his 

753
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,800
talents. 
Like, okay, this is perfect. 

754
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,900
We get rid of him and put his 
skills to use. 

755
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:17,900
It may have been both. 
We don't have to say. 

756
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:20,500
It's one of the other or maybe 
again. 

757
00:35:20,500 --> 00:35:22,900
Maybe someone just had a vision 
that they're supposed to send 

758
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:25,300
them as they saw him in 
Westeros. 

759
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,600
I guess need to go to Westeros. 
It's a fun way to get rid of it.

760
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,800
Like I had a vision. 
And I didn't really have a 

761
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,700
vision. 
By the way, I had another 

762
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:33,900
thought. 
I had often. 

763
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,700
He's pretty bold here. 
All these often charging at him 

764
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:38,400
about us. 
Yeah. 

765
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000
And you know, will say, bold 
brave, but I wonder how much 

766
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,400
maybe he's lost the will to 
live. 

767
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,200
He doesn't care anymore. 
Like if you did, have a terrible

768
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,800
home life family that got rid of
him, maybe he does paint. 

769
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,800
The red Temple is being nicer 
than it. 

770
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,800
Really was, but really, he's 
depressed, or demoralized 

771
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,900
nihilistic. 
And like, I might as well die in

772
00:35:57,900 --> 00:35:59,500
battle. 
Well, maybe he caught up from 

773
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:01,800
Roberts. 
Yeah, thinking he has lower self

774
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,900
worth maybe again ending because
it's like his parents got rid of

775
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:06,300
Music. 
Well, I'm not worth anything so 

776
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:09,100
I may as well. 
Yeah, being drunk all the time. 

777
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,200
Yeah. 
But also another piece to all 

778
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,200
day, all that could be true and 
also or maybe just this thing. 

779
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:17,700
Maybe he also has had a vision, 
maybe he knows he's going to 

780
00:36:17,707 --> 00:36:20,800
die, north of the wall. 
So way that isn't a battle at 

781
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,200
pipe, whatever he might have 
this extra boldness going into 

782
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,500
these. 
You know, violent moments 

783
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,600
because he's already had a 
vision of how he's going to die.

784
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,400
Wow, yeah. 
On the other hand, he's so 

785
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,300
funny. 
He's got a great sense of humor.

786
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,700
He's self-deprecating. 
You notice that multiple times 

787
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:40,700
he laughs people like, sand or 
laughed in his face. 

788
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:45,400
One time about being ugly and it
said thoreau's laughs loudest of

789
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,200
all and respond. 
So he gets it. 

790
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,800
He's he easy to laugh, maybe 
he's like the slightly depressed

791
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,500
comedian type. 
He's got a good sense of humor 

792
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:54,900
behind that. 
He's got some pain. 

793
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,600
He's always quick to downplay 
whenever someone's like, oh, the

794
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,000
red Wizards. 
Yeah, the pink, the bad pink. 

795
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,200
Went under The Pretender, like 
never wants to meet up the 

796
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,900
reputation that precedes him. 
Yeah, always on plays it under 

797
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:09,300
the umbrella of his own faith. 
Even sit. 

798
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:10,600
Make jokes like this. 
Like yeah. 

799
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,800
Yeah, I'm not. 
Let the best priest ever. 

800
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,300
You pulled a good quote example 
of that here. 

801
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:18,400
The sum will not cease to shine 
if we miss a prayer to throw 

802
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,700
surgreev mildly. 
I am one, who would know that's 

803
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:24,700
in reference to the young boy, 
like a young monk saying. 

804
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:27,700
You're a lawyer prayers and 
here, you know, and of course, 

805
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:31,500
this is after they just saved 
this kid from being killed, so 

806
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,700
it's really rude. 
Yeah. 

807
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:34,400
Really. 
Really zealous some of the other

808
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,800
monks that someone else in a 
part is like what we just saved 

809
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,700
your life. 
So I was like, I don't worry we 

810
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,000
don't need it. 
Yeah let them kind of bit early 

811
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,600
but there was like yeah I don't 
worry about it. 

812
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,000
He's just he's just a kid you 
know in his self-deprecating man

813
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,100
would take that into account 
when he says they just wanted to

814
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:49,900
get rid of him. 
Nina tends to agree. 

815
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:53,300
She says the yeah, he's not 
wrong with but you can't deny 

816
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:57,900
his his amiable personality. 
Leti his ability to form 

817
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,200
relationships. 
He's got Charisma, that's kind 

818
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,900
of undeniable. 
So this is one of those things 

819
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:06,000
got wrist. 
I can't believe you just said 

820
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,600
that she heard that words. 
That's so many times this week. 

821
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,100
So are he said, started burning 
people by around 280? 

822
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:20,300
I would guess thoris was sent 
before the madness started going

823
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:21,600
to area. 
So I mean maybe that would be a 

824
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,800
real way to get rid of things. 
Like yes, I'm gonna do that mad 

825
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,700
king because it's A weird to 
send a breeze to guy who's just 

826
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:31,500
openly burning people and like 
yeah, let's convert this guy. 

827
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:33,000
I'm skeptical. 
That's when they did it. 

828
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:36,200
Maybe they didn't know, maybe 
the maybe Aries is madness. 

829
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,500
Was it took a while for the rest
of the world to hear about that?

830
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:41,800
Which is possible. 
Maybe there was a little overlap

831
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,900
there, maybe there is even a 
rumor of it, but everyone is 

832
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:47,500
automatically assume rumor of a 
king burning. 

833
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,300
People is true. 
And especially, if some priests 

834
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:53,600
or Council had already decided, 
they needed to send someone or 

835
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,000
the throws needed to go on and 
You know, maybe they even send 

836
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,300
him on the three-month boat trip
and in two weeks later find out 

837
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:01,800
this news like oh well we 
already sent her. 

838
00:39:01,808 --> 00:39:05,100
My I can easily imagine sitting 
him despite that or cineon 

839
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:08,200
without having knowledge of it. 
Here's what a weird conundrum it

840
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,500
comes up with having knowledge 
through Flames. 

841
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:12,800
This time for example, Mel's we 
talk about Melisandre pink. 

842
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,800
So sure having such certainty 
and thoris having the opposite 

843
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,300
being kind of like, yeah, I 
don't know, he says, I've gotten

844
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:23,100
things wrong so many times, it's
weird to like imagine that as a 

845
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:24,800
flame reader, we've all 
experienced. 

846
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:26,900
Someone asked question he'd 
think, you know the answer but 

847
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,700
your keep quiet cause you think 
you're wrong and you find out 

848
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,400
you were right by God. 
I could have, I was rash. 

849
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,300
It said something, you know, 
imagine that was flame reading 

850
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,600
your like I saw that in the 
Flames, they didn't say anything

851
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,200
man. 
I could have been like, I just 

852
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,900
didn't trust my flame reading 
there. 

853
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,300
Whoo. 
Yeah, you know something just 

854
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:47,300
occurred to me like roll or 
maybe ruler doesn't, but 

855
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:49,200
Melisandre burn. 
A lot of people at the stake. 

856
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,500
Yeah, yeah, well maybe are is 
burning people alive isn't a 

857
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,900
turn-off to them. 
Maybe if it's even a turn-on 

858
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,800
Okay. 
Maybe. 

859
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,700
I wonder. 
Yeah, you could be don't have 

860
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:01,700
any evidence to this, but I 
wonder if some evidence if what 

861
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:06,700
is burned my effect, what or how
powerful of a vision have like, 

862
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,600
they burned the leeches and it 
gave her a certain type of 

863
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,200
vision right now, our blood? 
Yeah. 

864
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,000
The certain the Kings blood, if 
you're not, if you're burning 

865
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,300
humans. 
I wonder if you get more 

866
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,200
powerful Visions but they know 
it's kind of taboo. 

867
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:20,000
The city of mirror will get 
upset with us. 

868
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,500
If we do this for, hey, that 
Kings burning people throws. 

869
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:26,000
Pretty good reader flame Cinema.
Were there and see if you can 

870
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,700
see anything in the human 
Flames. 

871
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:30,100
Did this king is turning up? 
Yeah, they may have e, right? 

872
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:31,900
I looked at it, kind of 
backwards, right? 

873
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,900
I looked at as maybe a reason to
delay, but they may have looked 

874
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:37,200
at as a reason to accelerate 
like, oh he's burning people. 

875
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,500
All right, he's on our, he's on 
our level. 

876
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,800
That's a great Point. 
Actually, I may have may have 

877
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,500
gotten that backwards and as 
well. 

878
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:47,800
What is real or is MM and what 
is blood-magic like where is the

879
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,900
overlap here? 
Like is clearly people like 

880
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:53,200
mokoro were sacrificing and 
Melisandre sacrificing but 

881
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,500
what's blood magic and what is 
Priest of real or stuff that's 

882
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:57,900
thing. 
We'll talk about next week, we 

883
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:01,200
talked about blood magic, some 
of it probably has both doesn't 

884
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,000
have to be put into neat little 
boxes and separated and 

885
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,700
categorize. 
But it does. 

886
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,300
It is it just over an event 
diagram because Melisandre is 

887
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:11,500
considered a shadow binder and a
red Priestess. 

888
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,200
So I think like the, for 
example, the shadow babies. 

889
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,800
I don't think that's a Red 
Priest thing, but it could be 

890
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,800
because they are priestesses of 
Priests of God, of flame and 

891
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,400
Shadow, and that's kind of what 
that thing was. 

892
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:23,500
I don't know. 
I don't know. 

893
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:24,900
But that's, yeah, that's a 
little out. 

894
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,200
Wider scope today but not 
entirely. 

895
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,400
It's of course, when Thor has 
gets to Westeros, this is when 

896
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,200
he starts getting called thoros 
of myr, the of mere gets added. 

897
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:38,200
So they would have hoped that 
his love of firewood help aside 

898
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,600
from just burning people, he 
like fire in general, we started

899
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,100
using Wildfire for things like 
Heating and other stuff. 

900
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,600
This is where we wonder what 
powers were available to throw 

901
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,000
us at this point history. 
This is before the dragons 

902
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,100
before the comet we know some 
magic was still possible. 

903
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:55,800
Obviously he had read some 
Flames before This point because

904
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,300
it was part of his upbringing, 
so that was still possible back 

905
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:01,100
then. 
But what about fire swords that 

906
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:04,500
maybe wasn't possible back then,
but is now that's an example of 

907
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:06,500
thing that he could can do. 
Now that he couldn't do that 

908
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:09,900
before he was using Wildfire, 
now, he's not more on that 

909
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:11,700
later. 
But in front of Ares, I want to 

910
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,800
use Wildfire to get close to the
king and show him what else can 

911
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,800
be done with it. 
I'll light my sword on fire. 

912
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,100
Maybe even read about. 
This is a thing that Red Priest 

913
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:23,100
used to do so he's like well I 
can't make my sword light the 

914
00:42:23,107 --> 00:42:26,900
way that the Red Priest of old 
can do but I Find a manual way 

915
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:30,800
of doing that. 
So I'm guessing it started under

916
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,000
Aires, this was maybe a him 
lighting, his swords on fire or 

917
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000
something, Robert loved but I 
bet it started with Ares because

918
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,100
he would have thought that Ares 
would be the one to like this. 

919
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,600
But how does that resonate with 
y'all? 

920
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,200
Does that make any sense or 
think? 

921
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,200
I'm missing something here? 
Maybe at the it makes sense, I 

922
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,100
think if you saw someone do it 
one time and mirror here like, 

923
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:50,400
whoa, how's it going? 
He might just thought it was 

924
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,500
cool and always wanted to do it,
but couldn't get his hands on 

925
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,800
wildfire and houses champ. 
And that eventually you might 

926
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,800
learn it was really effective in
battle like in the melee is like

927
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,300
R. 
Actually, this is great. 

928
00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:03,600
The money's, I'm gonna keep 
doing this Tyrion mentions that 

929
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,400
Wildfire on a sore can last for 
like an hour which most battles 

930
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,600
don't take an hour. 
I mean battles, like, especially

931
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,600
fights like a melee. 
Probably doesn't take a whole 

932
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,900
hour, although sometimes it 
would sometimes it would because

933
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:16,400
we hear of it happening, we hear
of it going out once or twice. 

934
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:18,500
It depends on what kind of a 
battle. 

935
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:20,900
How big of a scale. 
This is a lot of very, but like 

936
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,800
melees in tournaments to store 
an IRL took off. 

937
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,600
It took many, that's true. 
Yeah. 

938
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:32,200
They but they spread out more. 
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah we see it's

939
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,900
the way we envision it in 
tournaments and not just Game of

940
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:37,900
Thrones but maybe like on a 
medieval or whatever it's like 

941
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:40,400
on a feel with a bunch of people
standing around watching but 

942
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,900
real melees spread out place 
like over many square miles 

943
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:46,400
which real battles would to. 
So you're right like that would 

944
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,800
all because what they were 
practicing for sensible which he

945
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,300
could of course thoris could 
just if the battles been going 

946
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:53,500
for a while, presumably he just 
grabbed another sword off the 

947
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,400
ground and maybe That was 
instead you light it up. 

948
00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:59,900
Anyway. 
I feel like there's a lot of 

949
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,500
room here for this stuff. 
Starting under Aries, only for 

950
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:05,600
it to just work better under 
Robert, which is very ironic 

951
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,800
considering seem to have the, 
the predisposition, for all this

952
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,800
stuff but maybe are he's just, 
here's his paranoid and weird 

953
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,300
and Doris is boisterous and just
a different personality. 

954
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:19,600
It makes he is more like Robert.
It makes sense, he without some 

955
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,100
of Roberts worst qualities. 
What some of them although with 

956
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,500
the also notable difference that
Thoreau says Changed into. 

957
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:29,300
Somebody has much more 
admirable, whereas before he was

958
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:32,300
a lot like Robert which is not 
very particularly admirable. 

959
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:35,900
So if it was later in the 
timeline, there is might have 

960
00:44:35,900 --> 00:44:37,800
actually been able to impress 
areas because he would have had 

961
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,600
his real powers of powers. 
He has now like Whiting his 

962
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,200
sword without wildfires also 
Booth, you know, like whoa, 

963
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,800
that's neat. 
How do you do that? 

964
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,400
But we're like 20, 25 years 
before he can do those things 

965
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,500
which also really emphasizes, 
how long he's just been going 

966
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:53,900
through. 
The motions is a guy who became 

967
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:58,200
very jaded. 
David and drunk and just aimless

968
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,000
kind of he wasn't actually. 
Yeah, he got along with Robert 

969
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,300
but he wasn't really, really get
him any closer to her Lord. 

970
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:06,100
And he doesn't really seem like 
that was part of it. 

971
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:08,800
Like, yeah, we're drinking 
buddies but we're not like this 

972
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
isn't building towards his 
ultimate. 

973
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Goal of converting him. 
It didn't seem like it was 

974
00:45:13,008 --> 00:45:14,500
heading. 
You just like a, I'm just having

975
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:16,600
a good time. 
That's really important. 

976
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,400
Because when, when thoreau's has
his like, Reawakening, as a 

977
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,100
priest, it's important to 
realize how long he's been in 

978
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,700
the state of vent just hanging 
out, drinking wine, his beliefs 

979
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:33,000
aren't particularly strong, and 
then it just, boom snaps and 

980
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,600
things start happening so 
quickly and what a huge 

981
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,200
turnaround that must be Well, 
before that point happening in 

982
00:45:40,207 --> 00:45:42,100
the timeline, as we work our way
towards that, what would have 

983
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:43,700
been like? 
Like he would have been around 

984
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,300
to see Tywin is hand, for 
example, under Aries and he 

985
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,700
hates the Lannisters. 
He didn't necessarily hate them 

986
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:52,400
right away but over time, 
there's all these things that 

987
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,400
gave him a lot of bias against 
Lannister. 

988
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,200
He's not gonna as this like, I'm
a priest. 

989
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,000
I try to be as neutral as 
possible about issue. 

990
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Try to try, not to take sides 
between, especially when it's 

991
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,100
about a matter of violence. 
But he just has a lot against 

992
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:06,900
the Lannisters as will see stack
up over time here. 

993
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,100
Uh, Nina says, it's also 
possible for us was unwilling or

994
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,000
unable to participate in purely 
politically motivated, burnings 

995
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000
of people. 
Especially, while aerys had not 

996
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,700
accepted the Lord of Light 
unlike Melisandre, who was 

997
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:19,900
willing to use the political 
burnings of Stannis has enemies 

998
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:22,200
is real. 
Or I'd sacrifices instead, is it

999
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,000
actually committed himself to 
the religion. 

1000
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:27,600
So, like Thor's, can't claim 
these have anything to do with 

1001
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,600
real or if Aries is just doing 
it because he's cruel and mad. 

1002
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,700
He's like I don't there's no 
religious thing. 

1003
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:35,900
We don't want to claim this. 
This is no religion behind, 

1004
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:38,000
there's no good. 
Involved in this. 

1005
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,600
I mean, arguably, there's no 
good anyway, but still all right

1006
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,900
Willie, there's some like it, 
some point this out all the 

1007
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:50,700
time, but like in our actual 
real world lives, you can't cure

1008
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:52,500
cancer by burning someone alive.
Yeah. 

1009
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:56,000
But if you could, we might have 
a different definition role 

1010
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,600
morality. 
We might look at Society a 

1011
00:46:57,607 --> 00:46:58,700
little bit different. 
That's true. 

1012
00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:59,900
That would be, that would be 
odd. 

1013
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:03,200
Yes. 
Robert Irvine breaks out. 

1014
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:04,800
As far as we know, he was 
neutral. 

1015
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,700
I mean the re may have looked to
the red Temple for advice but 

1016
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:11,200
the rebellion was so quick by 
the time they may have 

1017
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:15,100
deliberated on it. 
The war was over or maybe he 

1018
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:18,400
just decided neutrality was the 
best policy. 

1019
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,500
And regardless of advice 
outside, he didn't like Ares 

1020
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:23,600
that much. 
He might not have minded being 

1021
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,600
overthrown, he's like well I 
wasn't getting anywhere with 

1022
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,700
this guy. 
Maybe I'll get somewhere with 

1023
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,200
rhaegar. 
Maybe I'll get somewhere with 

1024
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,000
Robert whoever else wins. 
After all rhaegar was prophecy 

1025
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,900
minded, he had talked about like
the bleeding star and also their

1026
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:36,900
stuff, so maybe he would have 
made progress with rhaegar. 

1027
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:40,100
So, maybe thirst is just like, 
sit back. 

1028
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,800
See what happens. 
Don't get involved, but he 

1029
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,300
couldn't help. 
But at least feel something, 

1030
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:51,200
take sides. 
When he saw those bodies laid at

1031
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,100
the throne room, the bodies of 
rain, he's an egg on the 

1032
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:57,600
Targaryen children laid under 
the red Lannister. 

1033
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,500
Cloaks that Ned talks about 
Jamie talks about About. 

1034
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:05,700
Or else was there for that. 
Probably because he was living 

1035
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:07,500
in the throne room, or living in
the living. 

1036
00:48:07,500 --> 00:48:10,400
In the throne, or living in the 
red keep and just was therefore,

1037
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,500
he was able to just come down 
and see the big moment when the 

1038
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,600
transfer of power is happening 
and Robert comes in and he was 

1039
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,500
very disturbed by that. 
Various was mad enough. 

1040
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:26,200
He might not hardly know where 
care about what some priest from

1041
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,400
real or is doing in my word for 
yeah. 

1042
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,700
But maybe someone I don't know 
if like maybe time when or some 

1043
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,800
other some other agent of Court 
might have seen some value, or 

1044
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,200
some potential buying, this guy 
kept him fed through. 

1045
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,600
They just, you know, they 
recognized the red Temple, the 

1046
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,500
priests were Laura powerful 
organization. 

1047
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,000
He doesn't want to upset them. 
He doesn't care too much, so you

1048
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,400
just keep them at arm's. 
Length is like, well, I don't 

1049
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,100
want to offend them, but I also 
don't really have Have time for 

1050
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:51,900
him. 
So kind of put up early 

1051
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:55,000
greenness of and things could 
certainly change a lot once 

1052
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,900
Robert has become king, but 
there's a lot in the middle 

1053
00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:59,800
there that we don't really know 
like where he stood was, he did?

1054
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,800
He see Ned's dad and brother get
burned like receives a court and

1055
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,000
see the know he probably did a 
great Point. 

1056
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Anything about that. 
It Targaryen kids brought in 

1057
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,800
dead, was you cord to see the 
would've been his first season 

1058
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,300
with the star would have been 
his first burning that he saw 

1059
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:14,300
human burning. 
He saw. 

1060
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:17,400
But yeah, he would have maybe 
saw the lack of justice and just

1061
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,900
the cruelty there and been like,
yeah. 

1062
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,000
I wonder if there's any chance, 
he was aware of the Wildfire 

1063
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:25,900
hidden beneath the cities. 
That is not very how much pussy 

1064
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:27,100
or what. 
Yeah, what he thought, what he 

1065
00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:29,400
knew about with pyromancers, 
like whether he was friendly 

1066
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,000
with the pyromancers like the 
he's a Red Priest to fire guy, 

1067
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,400
you know, maybe they carry their
like, yeah. 

1068
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Let's talk to the other fire, 
guys get along and you all fire 

1069
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,500
guys. 
Oh my God. 

1070
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,600
Hey it's just like everything 
else. 

1071
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,500
Like now he's a green fire guy, 
he's a red fire guy. 

1072
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:49,000
Thoris left the toaster oven on 
one time now you know I also 

1073
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,200
want to or what? 
A point doesn't Jamie asked 

1074
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,800
about Thoreau? 
Yeah. 

1075
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,700
Yeah, I wonder what kind of 
relationship Jamie thoris had. 

1076
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:58,300
And you know, especially if 
Jamie was like really frustrated

1077
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,000
with Ares, maybe throws was also
frustrated. 

1078
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,500
They were ever in each other's 
ears. 

1079
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:06,100
If maybe that's how Jamie became
aware that there was all the 

1080
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:08,700
wire fire on around the city to 
thoris. 

1081
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:11,400
Let him know that. 
I think he knew I first talked 

1082
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,200
about it. 
I think his pyromancers talked 

1083
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,100
about it, but yeah, maybe thoris
had heard about it. 

1084
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:16,400
I think Jamie just heard them 
talking about. 

1085
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,200
If I remember correctly, you 
started the pirate missionaries 

1086
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,900
talking about it, but But it 
doesn't mean throws didn't know.

1087
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:23,000
He might have been around for 
some of those conversations and 

1088
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,600
it doesn't doesn't sound like, 
thoris was included in these 

1089
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,500
things because he wasn't in 
Aries, his favorite sounds like 

1090
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:29,800
with these being held at arm's 
length, he wasn't privy to these

1091
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,000
things. 
It is possible. 

1092
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000
He had his own relationship with
the pyromancers. 

1093
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,800
That's a really good possibility
there. 

1094
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,900
Yeah. 
To fire, guys, stick together? 

1095
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:41,400
Yeah, and it is right there. 
As we know the pyromancers guild

1096
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,800
is close by, it's not at the red
key but it's close. 

1097
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,500
It's under the great sept. 
Let's go forward to the reign of

1098
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:52,800
Robert King, Robert drinking, 
buddy. 

1099
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,300
Here's a quote King. 
Robert was fond of me though the

1100
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:59,500
first time I rode into a melee 
with a flaming sword. 

1101
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:02,800
Kevin Lannisters horse reared 
and through him and his grace 

1102
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,900
laughed so hard I thought he 
might rupture the Red Priest 

1103
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:09,800
smiled at the memory yeah quite 
a lot in common. 

1104
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,900
These two big guys who love to 
fight have incredible courage. 

1105
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,800
Just ferociousness drinking 
feasting chasing. 

1106
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:20,500
Women, all that stuff. 
They all those things in common 

1107
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,000
two, peas in a pod, in fact, 
someone called them two peas in 

1108
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,800
a pod, I think it was Jamie 
might even Tyrion, but a lot of 

1109
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,100
people have noticed their 
similarity. 

1110
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:28,700
It isn't just a line here to 
there. 

1111
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,800
There's multiple characters that
have reflected on this little 

1112
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,100
cynical to, right? 
I didn't think of that. 

1113
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:37,000
So, just now, but I feel like 
Robert was a little cynical 

1114
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,000
throw. 
Seems a little cinnamon. 

1115
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,500
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
No. 

1116
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:42,800
Soros source of cynicism Falls 
away rapidly. 

1117
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,200
Like instantly when the 
resurrection happens but nothing

1118
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,900
Robert didn't live long enough 
to have a moment like that. 

1119
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,600
If such a thing is even possible
for him, he's not doesn't have 

1120
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,200
the seed of faith. 
That thoreau's has some of 

1121
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,700
Robert ever had anything like 
that. 

1122
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:57,500
I was interested. 
If it did Fall Away, came back 

1123
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:59,700
under lady stoneheart. 
He's pretty cynical again, 

1124
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:02,500
talking to Briana, right? 
Like it came back and then it 

1125
00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:04,500
may be, is starting to fall off 
again, because of what they're 

1126
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:08,100
doing with it all great. 
Point more on that later, Gendry

1127
00:52:08,100 --> 00:52:10,700
says Tha Beaumont and thoros 
would argue over the price of 

1128
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:13,000
new swords because he would come
in and buy a new sword. 

1129
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,900
But Tyrion says Robert always 
paid for those swords. 

1130
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:19,300
So, is it just throws being like
Like stubborn and not wanting 

1131
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Thabo to get away with this over
his friend, it's kind of like a 

1132
00:52:22,607 --> 00:52:24,900
like low-level loyalty. 
He's like I'm not letting rip my

1133
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:26,900
friend off, you know, even 
though he's the king and can 

1134
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:30,100
easily afford this, he's like 
Todd was like come on man let me

1135
00:52:30,107 --> 00:52:33,600
get a little extra out of this. 
Let me Charles Augustus. 

1136
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,100
Yeah so I think that's actually 
a pretty important little moment

1137
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:39,200
there and throws might have been
cool if you actually wanted a 

1138
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,400
little extra but he wouldn't 
double right? 

1139
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,100
Wasn't trying to get 5% bonus. 
He's trying to get 100% but you 

1140
00:52:45,107 --> 00:52:47,300
can easily see how someone would
just be like, okay, whatever is 

1141
00:52:47,308 --> 00:52:48,400
on my money. 
Don't care. 

1142
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,400
But Doris, you're right. 
Like it's a small bit of loyalty

1143
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,500
stubbornness Justice. 
I think I think you put it right

1144
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:53,800
there is like it's wrong to do 
that. 

1145
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,400
So thoris is going to say 
something about it. 

1146
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,200
He's not a quiet man. 
He's not passive. 

1147
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,200
So he says something I like 
that. 

1148
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:02,600
Like it's a very small thing was
kind of small character. 

1149
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,300
Remember them like good on you 
Thoreau. 

1150
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:06,300
Still at that guy. 
Cheat your friends because it's 

1151
00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:08,500
not just a king. 
It's it's the principle. 

1152
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,500
Yeah. 
And he is your friend to any 

1153
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:13,600
apply that same principle to 
like letting sand or go later on

1154
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,400
true. 
He's like, no, he won his trial.

1155
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,800
We got to believe in these 
trials. 

1156
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,000
These trials aren't just Showed 
you guys joke about these 

1157
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,300
trials. 
Just being show trials. 

1158
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:22,100
He's like, yeah, he gives him a 
trial, then he hangs them. 

1159
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:25,300
They laugh about it. 
Like it's all just a joke was 

1160
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:28,900
like like know he won his trial.
We got to be serious about that.

1161
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:30,300
Yeah, you're right. 
He takes these things seriously.

1162
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:31,700
So I like that. 
I like that about him. 

1163
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,700
So fast, forward to the Greyjoy 
Rebellion. 

1164
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,700
Let's have another quotes. 
He liked feasts and tourneys, 

1165
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:41,400
that was why King Robert was so 
fond of him. 

1166
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,900
And this thoros was Brave, when 
the walls of Pike crashed down, 

1167
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,800
he was the first through the 
breach. 

1168
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:51,900
He fought with one of his 
flaming swords setting ironmen a

1169
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:54,500
fire with every / first through 
the breach. 

1170
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:56,300
That is just wild picturing 
that. 

1171
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:59,700
I mean, Just Amazing. 
Just, I love it. 

1172
00:53:59,700 --> 00:54:01,300
It's so cool. 
And he since he probably didn't 

1173
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:04,600
fight in the Rebellion, Norman 
may be one of the first times he

1174
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,400
had a real fight outside of a 
melee, which is, you know, you 

1175
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,000
can get hurt and killed melee 
but like, we were trying 

1176
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,300
literally trying to kill you 
rather than just trying to win 

1177
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,400
and trying to kill you first, 
because it refers to the door 

1178
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,900
and your but people are afraid 
you like again. 

1179
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Like you said, I'm gonna go 
fight somebody else. 

1180
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,300
The guy whose every swing of his
sword lights you on fire whether

1181
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:25,400
he connects or not, if it hits 
your Shield, your Shield catches

1182
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,000
on fire, even if he doesn't 
penetrate your armor, your cloak

1183
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,700
is on fire. 
It's like damn, that didn't 

1184
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:31,300
hurt, but now I'm on fire, you 
know? 

1185
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,800
So yeah, that I would rather 
fight anyone else. 

1186
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,000
They're pretty much so he 
probably didn't really wasn't 

1187
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,800
his actual first fight though 
because there were fights before

1188
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,300
they got to Pike, like they 
landed on the island and fought 

1189
00:54:43,300 --> 00:54:46,000
at the port, and then there were
battles on the way. 

1190
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,100
There's, but this may have been 
his first Real war and let's not

1191
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:53,000
forget one of the reasons. 
This war happened was Balon. 

1192
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Greyjoy thought Robert was a 
weak King that people wouldn't 

1193
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,400
unite behind him. 
Doris is Roberts friend at this 

1194
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,400
point, like so he's not just 
leading maybe just some of that 

1195
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,000
suicidal. 
Like there's no point to life 

1196
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,500
kind of attitude but also he's 
representing his friend here. 

1197
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,200
That's, that's Robert. 
You know, he wants to do right 

1198
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,500
by his drinking buddy. 
You can also Imagine maybe got 

1199
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:17,700
pushed into it, maybe after the 
third battle. 

1200
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:19,800
Yeah. 
Eating up to this Siege of pyke 

1201
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,300
itself, everyone was like don't 
put the roasted like, okay, so 

1202
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:25,600
how effective his flaming sword 
was elsewhere? 

1203
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,900
That's true. 
It wasn't seen it. 

1204
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:30,400
Now what have I done to myself 
through like everybody else 

1205
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,000
would have been like a role like
I want to see if he would have 

1206
00:55:32,008 --> 00:55:34,000
been talked about a lot like LC.
I wonder how he's gonna do it 

1207
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,800
like a real bad like wow he was 
really good. 

1208
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,000
Yeah let's put him in front. 
I totally agree with you show 

1209
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,600
him like he would have been the 
talk of the battle and he still 

1210
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,700
is just like his appearance and 
his fire sword. 

1211
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:47,900
A lot of people talk about him 
later like Tyrion bars. 

1212
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,500
Jamie they're just all almost 
like half the POV characters, 

1213
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:51,800
think about thoreau's, at some 
point. 

1214
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,200
And the thing they think about 
is usually his fire sword. 

1215
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,400
Is going through the walls of 
Pike, his bravery, or all three 

1216
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,900
because it's three things pretty
much overlapping or that he's 

1217
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,000
drinks a lot. 
Over also has big news, has 

1218
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,800
bigness in his drink attitude 
and he agrees. 

1219
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,700
This may have been a sign of 
thoreau's as personal affection 

1220
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:10,800
for and loyalty to Robert. 
I think that's kind of under 

1221
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,900
played here under acknowledged. 
Quality of thoris is entire Arc 

1222
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,000
is his friendship with Robert. 
Because we don't see it, we 

1223
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,700
never actually see on screen, 
Robert and thoros hanging out 

1224
00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:26,800
chatting talking drinking. 
It's all off screen. 

1225
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,900
It's all a thing of the past. 
Never actually see it even 

1226
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:32,600
though it's attested to by so 
many people even though they 

1227
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,100
maybe weren't great people, 
maybe they were great for each 

1228
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:37,700
other. 
They were friends and friendship

1229
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:39,500
is a meaningful thing. 
It's an important thing. 

1230
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:42,200
Robert may have been Stars, may 
have encouraged some of his 

1231
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,300
negativity but he may have made 
him a better person in other 

1232
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:46,400
ways with his sense of justice 
and other things. 

1233
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,800
I don't know someone that may 
have rubbed up and robbed. 

1234
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:50,800
Or maybe I'm being too 
optimistic about it. 

1235
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:57,100
But anyway, Jorah was knighted 
for charging through the breach 

1236
00:56:57,100 --> 00:56:59,300
behind thoreau's for his bravery
there in that. 

1237
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:02,800
So you gotta think that if jar 
got knighted and Thor, has got 

1238
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,800
knighted to because he does. 
Wikipedia has the title of him 

1239
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,800
being a sir. 
He does not, he's not called Sir

1240
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,400
therosis because he's the Red 
Priest or Samir but it seems 

1241
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,400
like there are the Red Priest of
me. 

1242
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,100
Yeah when we hear that all the 
Brotherhood without banners have

1243
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:18,500
been knighted by Barrack. 
I feel like Sir priority 

1244
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,600
knighted before. 
But if for some reason he was 

1245
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,000
like Chewbacca and ignored for 
his contributions while everyone

1246
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,300
else is getting medals and 
awards and meetings, you know, 

1247
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:28,300
they're like Princess Leia's, 
putting them in thoreau's. 

1248
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:34,100
It's like, dude, I was first so 
unless that happened and I 

1249
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:35,700
really don't think it would 
have, because it's Robert like, 

1250
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:37,300
it's his friend, right? 
Yeah. 

1251
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:39,400
I mean, come on, maybe he 
rejected it the maybe he's like,

1252
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,700
actually, I don't want to be a 
nighttime, not, that's that also

1253
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:43,600
makes sense, but Wikipedia says 
he was knighted. 

1254
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,100
I wouldn't put that as a sure 
thing little bit of possible 

1255
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:49,900
dispute there. 
Okay, so here's another angle to

1256
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:51,600
this. 
So this is a guy who's a little 

1257
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,000
dissolute, like, not very 
zealous, not even close to 

1258
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,000
zealous pretty lacks. 
On the priest side, the 

1259
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,800
religious side of his beliefs 
may be going in first and 

1260
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,400
surviving would that restore 
some of your faith. 

1261
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,700
What do you think? 
You think like we're Laura's 

1262
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:09,900
watching over like all these 
people dying around him and he 

1263
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:12,700
makes through what do you think?
Like am I reading too much into 

1264
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:17,400
it or My, but it might also add 
to, I don't know if I'm quite 

1265
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,600
the right phrase, but I might 
add to his death, wish it might 

1266
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,300
add to his, it doesn't matter. 
Anyway, mentality like might as 

1267
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:24,200
well. 
Like, I don't know. 

1268
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,500
I live last time. 
I'll try it again, I could see 

1269
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:29,000
it. 
Being is nihilistic as faithful.

1270
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,000
Hmm. 
Yeah, okay, yeah. 

1271
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,200
All right. 
Yeah, I'm not sure that's the 

1272
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,200
case but I could see I could see
that. 

1273
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:38,000
Also, he was praised lot for it.
Mike like he would have been 

1274
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,600
more his personal regard, other 
people's regard for him, would 

1275
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,900
have been higher after the 
greater billing, he rather than 

1276
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:46,000
the guy that just hangs out. 
Robert maybe wins a melee here 

1277
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,800
and there he's actually proved 
himself in the field and in a 

1278
00:58:48,808 --> 00:58:51,200
culture like this, that's 
everything right? 

1279
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,300
Like now he's a warrior that's 
proven himself the way in first 

1280
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:56,400
at the bravest thing. 
You can imagine live to tell 

1281
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,400
another day fight, another day 
that might make him feel better 

1282
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,500
about himself. 
Right? 

1283
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:04,000
With now people recognize him 
when he's walking around be like

1284
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,700
hey Sorrows, what's up, man? 
You know, like they're wood from

1285
00:59:06,700 --> 00:59:08,800
then on he's just a more popular
figure. 

1286
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:12,400
So, maybe that would just raise 
his self-esteem, if that's 

1287
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,800
something. 
He had any issues with it. 

1288
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,700
Don't know. 
There's also just honest, normal

1289
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:19,300
human behavior. 
Like the stimulus response, you 

1290
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:21,700
know, you you do something. 
You get rewarded for. 

1291
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:23,000
Oh, you do it again. 
You get rewarded. 

1292
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,200
You know? 
Well, okay, you're going to keep

1293
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,300
doing that thing. 
So, yeah, maybe I made her some 

1294
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:28,800
amount of that. 
Maybe he thought that it went. 

1295
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,800
Well, maybe this is, this is 
where we're Lord wants me. 

1296
00:59:30,808 --> 00:59:33,000
This is what we're Lord wants me
to be doing stuff like this. 

1297
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,100
Like he felt alive, you know, 
things like that. 

1298
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:36,800
Mmm. 
Yeah. 

1299
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,800
Robert love tourneys, thoris, 
had a great record in them. 

1300
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,100
What are the odds that 
thoreau's? 

1301
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,700
As his drinking buddy was 
encouraging Robert in his habit 

1302
00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:49,000
of holding lots of tournaments. 
I never thought about that 

1303
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,100
before this episode is like, 
yeah, they're ours could talking

1304
00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:52,500
in his ear. 
He's like yeah Robert, we could 

1305
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:54,200
do this, we could that they both
just love tournament. 

1306
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,900
So like it seems like he would 
be part of the team in 

1307
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:01,200
encouraging Robert to do it, we 
can imagine good old boys, 

1308
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,000
reliving their Glory Days. 
And and when you can like just 

1309
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,800
do it again and Roberts, it 
doesn't care about the cost 

1310
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,800
doesn't have any is intended to 
any of the responsibilities. 

1311
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,300
Yeah, mine We'll have another 
tournament. 

1312
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:16,200
There was even a thoris isn't 
actively intentionally doing it.

1313
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,200
He might incidentally be 
encouraging causing Robert to do

1314
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,200
it more often than you would 
have. 

1315
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,000
Yep. 
He's apparently beats and or 

1316
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,800
three times with his wild fire 
sword in a melee. 

1317
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,600
Robert loved it every time. 
Here's one time where he lost we

1318
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,100
see Geoffrey's named a 
tournament in a Clash of Kings. 

1319
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,200
It's a tournament of nats 
because the war is happening. 

1320
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,100
It's the one where Sanders. 
Like I'm not even going to get 

1321
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:40,600
in, I'm not even gonna bother 
someone where tommen has his 

1322
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,800
great line about Out where we 
are. 

1323
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,700
We're supposed to be children, 
we're childish. 

1324
01:00:43,700 --> 01:00:46,200
And we're still has all that, 
but the year before, they had 

1325
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,900
the same name, day tournament 
and Davos was there. 

1326
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:51,600
And he saw it and here is his 
recollection. 

1327
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,100
He remembered the Red Priest, 
throw Sameer and the Flaming 

1328
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:57,100
sword. 
He wielded in the mail, a man 

1329
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:59,700
had made for a colorful 
spectacle, his red robes 

1330
01:00:59,700 --> 01:01:03,800
flapping was Blade writhed with 
pale green Flames, but everyone 

1331
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,400
knew there was no true magic to 
it. 

1332
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,400
And in the end, his fire had 
guttered out and bronzy on 

1333
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,300
Royce's, brained him with a 
common mace. 

1334
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:12,600
That's one of the examples. 
The fire going out. 

1335
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,300
He's having his thoughts Davos 
is because he's just been told 

1336
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:18,600
the story of his Aura high and 
Nissa Nissa and lightbringer 

1337
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,300
about a flaming sword. 
And he's like I don't want to be

1338
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:23,900
that kind of hero and then it 
makes him think of the other 

1339
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:26,700
flaming sword. 
He's seen, which is a really 

1340
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,500
excellent piece of writing there
because, yeah, of course, a 

1341
01:01:29,508 --> 01:01:31,400
person is going to think of 
other flaming swords. 

1342
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,300
That's a rare thing even in 
Fantasy Realm like this because 

1343
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:38,000
it makes Davos think about the 
difference between Mel and 

1344
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,300
Thoreau, switch, character 
characters that have a lot in 

1345
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:44,700
common that are on screen at the
same time yet and he doesn't 

1346
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:47,300
have her depth of belief or 
depth of pretension. 

1347
01:01:47,300 --> 01:01:49,600
Perhaps however you want to look
at it for certain things. 

1348
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,700
So she brings a fake 
lightbringer which male creates 

1349
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:55,400
for Stannis throws does 
something. 

1350
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:58,100
That is obviously not magic. 
Everybody knows what there is is

1351
01:01:58,107 --> 01:02:01,900
doing is not MediCal by knows 
it's Wildfire until later when 

1352
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:05,200
it is Magic, but we're not quite
there yet. 

1353
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:07,200
The Wildfire might seem kind of 
mystical. 

1354
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,200
It still might have a similar 
impact, you know. 

1355
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Yeah. 
We know what? 

1356
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,100
See a magician might do some 
card trick and pull the Ace of 

1357
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:17,700
Spades out of your back pocket. 
Like you know there's not really

1358
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:20,200
magic in a row but you're still 
impressed with how do you do 

1359
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:20,700
that? 
Yeah. 

1360
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:23,900
Still like you learned a little 
bit of your respect and Intrigue

1361
01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:26,700
you know, definitely. 
And there's yeah like wielding a

1362
01:02:26,707 --> 01:02:29,600
flat fire sword. 
Can't be just as simple as like 

1363
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,200
wielding, a regular sword but 
it's on fire. 

1364
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,200
It's got to be more to it and 
certain things that work better 

1365
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,800
in certain things. 
Adult and things get to watch 

1366
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,200
out for like catching your own 
hair on fire and training your 

1367
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,900
own horse. 
Certain Talent involved. 

1368
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:42,200
Yeah. 
Yeah definitely. 

1369
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,800
Yeah, so that it's not as simple
as it. 

1370
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,800
Don't try this at home kids so 
something that really got me 

1371
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,200
thinking about just like right 
before we were about to start 

1372
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:56,800
this Stannis would have known 
Soros at least known who he was,

1373
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,900
if not had some interactions 
with him, he would have very 

1374
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:00,400
aware of him. 
I wonder that. 

1375
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:05,300
How that impacted melisandre's 
arrival, how did he perceive her

1376
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:08,100
with having? 
Knowing his preconceived notion 

1377
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:11,200
of a rare piece is throws. 
How different mismo. 

1378
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,300
Sandra would he have been more 
suspicious of her more receptive

1379
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:17,300
to her because of the world's 
that's a great point, you 

1380
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:18,600
wonder? 
Yeah, maybe that would have been

1381
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,100
his preconceived notion, 
remember that part of the way 

1382
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:23,000
Melisandre. 
Got close to Stannis was through

1383
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,200
Solis, Melisandre, targeted her 
first. 

1384
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,900
And then when she was converted,
then it was like they were as 

1385
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:30,800
like a two-pronged assault. 
That was both of them so that 

1386
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,400
that probably helped. 
That was, that was smooth of 

1387
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,800
Melisandre and you may be right 
as to one of the reasons why she

1388
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,900
needed to be smooth with it. 
Like that was because he may 

1389
01:03:37,900 --> 01:03:40,200
have, she may have had, he may 
have had preconceived note even 

1390
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,500
if melts under do Don't know who
the preconceived notion was 

1391
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:46,500
formed based off. 
Like even though she may not 

1392
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:48,200
have known Santa's new 
thoreau's, but she's like, well 

1393
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,000
then if he's known any Red 
Priest before. 

1394
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,900
Well I'm gonna reset his beliefs
here on what that means. 

1395
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:59,200
Incidentally how long ago at 
what point in Melisandre arrived

1396
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:02,100
stand up a couple of years 
before the books. 

1397
01:04:02,100 --> 01:04:05,800
Not not super villain so she 
would be aware of thoreau's 

1398
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,200
also. 
Yeah, she wrote about this Red 

1399
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,800
Priest. 
Well, maybe he's melees. 

1400
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,200
Had this play me something cute.
Have you think she would you 

1401
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,500
write like be aware if she 
didn't know about him right 

1402
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:15,400
away? 
She would have heard about it 

1403
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,600
probably because there's plenty 
of these always Stannis never 

1404
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,100
brought him up to her like 
somebody maybe I don't know but 

1405
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:22,800
he's excited. 
I got him. 

1406
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,300
Yeah and with the rose, be aware
Melisandre how where would he 

1407
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:28,100
be? 
He might not be as aware of her 

1408
01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:29,200
time. 
Yeah, he might not be. 

1409
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,500
He might not be as aware of it. 
Probably is can imagine. 

1410
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:33,600
He probably has no pay me now 
but he was thread. 

1411
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,600
Keep when she arrived and people
talked about her. 

1412
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,400
Yeah. 
It never gets mentioned. 

1413
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:42,100
But I feel like they've got to 
be at least Somewhat aware of 

1414
01:04:42,100 --> 01:04:43,000
each other. 
Yes. 

1415
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,300
Somewhat influencing other 
people's perspective of each 

1416
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:48,400
other and real orange. 
And I think it falls in the 

1417
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,000
category of Ned. 
Never thinking about directly 

1418
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,700
about John's parentage or Aria 
not thinking about the iron bank

1419
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:57,500
while in Bravos. 
It's one of those things where 

1420
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,100
George just kind of like he 
doesn't want people to think too

1421
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:04,600
much about Melisandre and thoros
until later until they met our 

1422
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,400
together or until those plot 
points. 

1423
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,400
He hasn't decided what the 
relationship is or will be or 

1424
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,000
what people would. 
Think of them when it right. 

1425
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,400
Maybe he doesn't want us to 
know. 

1426
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:14,800
Yeah, but absolutely, but it's 
something. 

1427
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,400
I my mind started spending on 
that. 

1428
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,600
I haven't fully processed yet, 
but welcome anyone in the 

1429
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,800
audience thoughts, another 
interesting lack from Thoreau, 

1430
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,500
says that he was not on the 
Royal hunt that Robert was 

1431
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,500
received his mortal wound. 
As friends is drinking buddies, 

1432
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,300
not unlikely that he would have 
been there. 

1433
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:33,900
That's not strange, it's not 
suspicious, but it's of no, it's

1434
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:36,100
like, oh, he wasn't there. 
They had, he been there. 

1435
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:37,100
Maybe it would have been a 
little different. 

1436
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:39,100
I don't know Tywin. 
Then, you know, we have the 

1437
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:43,200
incident with Tyrion being 
Captured by Catlin which sets 

1438
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,900
off Tywin. 
But remember what his plan was 

1439
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:49,100
his plan was capture Ned. 
He thought he was going to 

1440
01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:52,100
capture Ned because he thought 
that's an Arthur Hill. 

1441
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:55,400
Go dispense, Justice personally.
Not the worst idea Tywin was 

1442
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,200
probably right about that but 
Jamie screws the plan up by 

1443
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,800
breaking Ned's leg. 
If it wasn't for those pesky 

1444
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,400
kids. 
Yeah, just that one pesky kid. 

1445
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,800
Yeah, I mean Tyrion and Cersei 
ruin tywin's plans. 

1446
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:08,700
Plenty. 
All that's true. 

1447
01:06:08,700 --> 01:06:10,600
Yeah. 
Offeri offering, yeah, you're 

1448
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,600
right. 
Ned. 

1449
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:15,300
This is an important Point here.
Ned shoes is Thoreau, says, one 

1450
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:19,500
of the flick five Captain's of 
this squad to go. 

1451
01:06:19,500 --> 01:06:22,200
I can't, I can't stop thinking 
to the Lannisters this. 

1452
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:30,400
That's the Scooby-Doo game. 
Those 120 men, go out and as 

1453
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,700
they're getting ready. 
Varis goals Ned for not sending.

1454
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:34,700
Laura says, like look, if you 
were going to go against the 

1455
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:37,300
Lannisters, you might want to 
put the tire rolls on your side 

1456
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:40,100
so that the tyrells are against 
the Lannisters. 

1457
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:43,900
And then That's better for you 
which is a fair point. 

1458
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,300
But Ned's argument is well I 
don't want this to be a this is 

1459
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:49,600
supposed to be Justice not 
revenge and if I send Loris it's

1460
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,900
going to be that and also loras 
is Young and maybe isn't going 

1461
01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:54,700
to be thinking about all the 
things that need to be thought 

1462
01:06:54,700 --> 01:06:57,400
about or might not follow the 
instructions of these other 

1463
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,900
people who you might think he 
has a higher station. 

1464
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:01,500
Then. 
Exactly also a great Point. 

1465
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:04,200
Yeah, he may not listen to Beric
Dondarrion even though it 

1466
01:07:04,207 --> 01:07:06,900
Barracks a full Lord and is 
outranks. 

1467
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:09,300
Him loras Tyrell might not 
listen to me like yeah well I 

1468
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:10,600
don't have to listen to you. 
What you gonna do? 

1469
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,300
When you gonna do to me, if I 
ignore your orders it's one of 

1470
01:07:13,300 --> 01:07:14,400
those things. 
Like what you going to do about 

1471
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,100
it? 
Like I don't know. 

1472
01:07:15,100 --> 01:07:16,300
I don't know what Barrack what 
do about it? 

1473
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:18,100
Probably not much. 
They don't want to set the 

1474
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:20,800
tyrells here. 
Need to think through those 

1475
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,700
different perspectives. 
You know, Ned takes a lot of 

1476
01:07:22,707 --> 01:07:26,800
flack for not being smart or 
getting the political game, but 

1477
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,400
he knows something there that 
beerus doesn't Varys is thinking

1478
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,400
about the big picture politics 
of how this going to play out - 

1479
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,000
thinking about the actual 
Battlefield role. 

1480
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,600
Yes, I'm going to play you know,
true that and so far as has a 

1481
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,700
point but not does too and he 
also knows that Taiwan's main 

1482
01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:45,300
weapons is bribery you know as 
the Lannister gold is used as a 

1483
01:07:45,308 --> 01:07:48,200
weapon, there's no chance. 
You're going to bribe thoris of 

1484
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,300
mirror, especially to be a 
Lannister, he hates the 

1485
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:53,700
Lannisters and Ned knows. 
That Ned was in the throne room 

1486
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:56,400
with thoreau's when those bodies
were laid at the throne room, at

1487
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,500
the Targaryen children were laid
at the feet of Robert and Doris 

1488
01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:02,200
hated it. 
So he's already predisposed to 

1489
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,900
be against the Lannisters and 
this is the man. 

1490
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:06,800
He's being sent against is 
Gregor the one who specifically 

1491
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,400
killed one of those children and
other people and killed a Leah 

1492
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,800
as well. 
Doris already knows who he's up 

1493
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,800
against and Ned knows that 
thorough snows and Ned knows 

1494
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,600
that throws charge through the 
breach at pyke. 

1495
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:22,200
He's like, this guy is Battle 
tested, real battle where the 

1496
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,899
Knight of flowers like he joust.
Well, but like to be fair, 

1497
01:08:25,899 --> 01:08:28,899
Laura's does prove himself later
but that doesn't know that at 

1498
01:08:28,907 --> 01:08:30,800
this point, he's like he's not 
tested yet. 

1499
01:08:30,899 --> 01:08:33,399
You know, his rank works against
him, is like he was just 

1500
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,399
another, she was a highly 
talented lowborn night. 

1501
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:37,700
Sure. 
Send him along. 

1502
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:41,500
They could use another sword, 
but Laura said his, his Actually

1503
01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:44,100
throws things off a little bit. 
Even though from viruses 

1504
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:47,000
perspective, is rank is a huge 
benefit because of the bigger 

1505
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,300
picture. 
So yeah, it is a really 

1506
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:49,800
interesting point that gets 
called stupid. 

1507
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,500
They're like you say Shawn but 
Ned's got some very intelligent 

1508
01:08:53,500 --> 01:08:57,300
angles on this actually yeah. 
Also if this was a jousting 

1509
01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:00,700
competition sure send Morris but
this is going to be a battle and

1510
01:09:00,700 --> 01:09:03,300
a field against the animal 
Gregor like he's not going to 

1511
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,600
follow the rules and blind up 
with his jousting stick. 

1512
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,700
You know he's this is look and 
if he sends lures and get some 

1513
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:13,399
killed then maybe the that might
turn pie Garden against you 

1514
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:16,200
right rather than they might be 
upset with you for getting 

1515
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:17,300
Laura's killed, you know. 
Yeah. 

1516
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:19,500
So another aspect here need a 
reminds us today. 

1517
01:09:19,500 --> 01:09:22,600
And also Roberts friendship with
roses key here to like Ned 

1518
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,700
sending someone who's a friend 
of Robert and their speak sent 

1519
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:27,300
in the name of King Robert. 
So that's a big deal and we 

1520
01:09:27,308 --> 01:09:30,300
decide how thoris is cares about
Justice, a little bitty cares 

1521
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:32,600
about things being, right? 
Here's about righteousness a bit

1522
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,700
even though he's lazy maybe and 
sloppy, whatever, he does have 

1523
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:37,399
things that matter to him, and 
this is one of them. 

1524
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:40,200
So yet again, another thing it's
just thoris was not involved in 

1525
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:41,899
the politics of the realm as 
much either. 

1526
01:09:41,899 --> 01:09:44,100
So, there's just been a 
political actor. 

1527
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:47,500
Here is a good person to send 
someone who has a personal 

1528
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:48,899
stake. 
Would not a political steak is 

1529
01:09:48,899 --> 01:09:52,300
actually a pretty astute choice.
So one of the pieces is some 

1530
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:55,200
super curious about when Ned 
instructs, those different 

1531
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,700
people to assemble, 20 men to go
on this Mission, they're all 

1532
01:09:58,700 --> 01:10:02,800
Lords with Bannerman, people 
kind of under their command if 

1533
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,700
you will the army soldiers sir, 
they're surrounded by them and 

1534
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:09,400
in charge of them. 
Where is there a supposed to get

1535
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,200
you 20? 
Man. 

1536
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,200
Who's this 20? 
Good men. 

1537
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:13,000
Yeah, that's a great guy. 
I wonder if they're just 

1538
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,300
drinking buddies. 
Does he have act lights as you 

1539
01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:19,200
made some attempt to establish 
it just sort of Robert give them

1540
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,200
personal guards, you know? 
I yeah, it's it may be mentors 

1541
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,200
that he teaches how to fight 
young nights and you I don't 

1542
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,100
know. 
Maybe he just fail and bring 20 

1543
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:33,200
men like was he told to bring 20
men and did he actually go find 

1544
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,400
the 20 men, maybe just Barak 
brought 40. 

1545
01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:48,100
People. 
Yeah, right over there. 

1546
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:49,300
That's this is a whole different
thing. 

1547
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:51,200
This is like giving up like 
months of your life. 

1548
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,100
You know, what are your life for
whatever? 

1549
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:55,200
Like, that's a big ask to come 
to someone about. 

1550
01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:00,800
Hey, Drinking Buddies. 
Let's go to war against 

1551
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,100
Gregoire. 
Yeah. 

1552
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:03,700
Do you hate Gregor? 
So, go fight him. 

1553
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:05,600
We're like, wait, I hate him. 
I don't know. 

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01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:11,700
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questions from folks here, 
Richard Seymour, says Theory 

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01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,600
mokoro could be from a shy, the 
not eating thing. 

1602
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,700
And other magic stuff has 
nothing to do with red priests 

1603
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:31,000
and everything you do Shadow 
body. 

1604
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,600
Yeah. 
See that is part of why it's a 

1605
01:13:32,608 --> 01:13:35,600
weird question because these red
priests refused to put 

1606
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,800
themselves in a Apple category 
where they only use the magic of

1607
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:40,900
real. 
Or they're always, they're 

1608
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:42,200
always learning other 
disciplines. 

1609
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,700
Like, Indy Indy where people 
like I'm an Illusionist but I 

1610
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:47,000
also have a little bit of a 
vocation and little bit of 

1611
01:13:47,008 --> 01:13:48,900
conjuring. 
A little bit of necromancy has 

1612
01:13:48,900 --> 01:13:52,200
two similar kind of thing here. 
George doesn't have them put in 

1613
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,200
these little neat corners or 
categories. 

1614
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,300
So yeah, I can see that. 
I feel like mokoro is from 

1615
01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:03,400
volantis because if that's where
he operates, what a shy is 

1616
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,700
certainly possible. 
Technically he could be not from

1617
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:10,100
a shy but he could Have studied 
in a shy and be a shadow binder 

1618
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:13,000
and still be from volantis and 
be a both of those things would 

1619
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:13,800
be true. 
That's true. 

1620
01:14:13,900 --> 01:14:16,600
Well, it said Melisandre of a 
shy but she may not be from a 

1621
01:14:16,608 --> 01:14:18,700
shot because she was sold as a 
slave is to try a. 

1622
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:21,800
So she even in your example, 
earlier when you said o Buzzy's 

1623
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,000
of Atlanta and Joe of Atlanta, 
you're not as easy of Atlanta, 

1624
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,000
really? 
Because your came from 

1625
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,200
elsewhere, you you applied, you 
said, I was a shadow of Hawaii 

1626
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,900
and I'm like, I'm of Atlanta 
right now. 

1627
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:33,600
I would say of Atlanta, not of 
Hawaii, I don't think someone 

1628
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,000
has to necessarily have been 
born somewhere or even have 

1629
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,900
lived the first childhood Years 
somewhere to be of somewhere, 

1630
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:43,400
like, life is long and you 
could, you could be of somewhere

1631
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:47,800
after 10, 20 years somewhere. 
Mmm, that's a good sign, that's 

1632
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,400
a good point. 
Like that, take donors Dame 

1633
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,200
says, what is this? 
A is though, they were both sent

1634
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,100
off to priest from different 
associate religions. 

1635
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,600
I do think Areo hotah and thoros
are interesting characters to 

1636
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,100
compare. 
Oh yes dedicated. 

1637
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:06,400
You know to a different faith 
and kind of isolated from their 

1638
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,900
Homeland. 
Yes around People power, you 

1639
01:15:08,907 --> 01:15:12,100
know, Sandra life. 
Ultimately having a lot like 

1640
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:14,800
being very, observant being 
large guys being Warriors. 

1641
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,900
Yeah, that's true. 
Yeah, I thought of that. 

1642
01:15:16,900 --> 01:15:20,200
A great catch during this game. 
Look, give leave it to dornish. 

1643
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,300
Name to bring the dornish. 
A true connection there. 

1644
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,000
George game also says, net is 
quite smart with his choices 

1645
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,000
Thoreau says, close to Robert 
wild and Dondarrion, our storm 

1646
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,000
land houses, which are all 
should also be somewhat loyal to

1647
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,100
Robert. 
And Malorie has Mallory's from 

1648
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:40,100
Crown lands, not just avoiding 
Pro Lannister houses but picking

1649
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,800
storm Landers and Crown Landers 
who should be Pro Roberts? 

1650
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,800
Oh yeah. 
Ned was not thinking like bars 

1651
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,200
but he wasn't just picking 
people around him. 

1652
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,600
Either. 
He had he had a plan. 

1653
01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:50,900
It's true because he could have 
done that group and you just put

1654
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:54,200
one like Lannisters loyalists in
there and that person just blows

1655
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,900
the whole thing up, it portrays 
everyone or it just takes one 

1656
01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:00,800
bad choice for that that group 
to be terrible. 

1657
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,400
You're totally right. 
And that's probably what 

1658
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,900
happened to anyway because some 
Pro Lannister person probably 

1659
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:09,000
did run off from that bet scene 
and tells When because Tywin was

1660
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,100
prepared for this Tywin, new 
because I would have to plan to,

1661
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:15,100
I said, Ned had a plan Tywin. 
Had a plan to, they seemed well 

1662
01:16:15,100 --> 01:16:17,300
prepared, right? 
They had 120 men. 

1663
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:18,700
They're just going after one 
guy, right? 

1664
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:21,600
I just Gregor Clegane even 
though he's a big man, but 

1665
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,500
here's Harlan's account, is sold
to Aria a nice long quote. 

1666
01:16:24,900 --> 01:16:28,000
Your father's leg was broken 
when his horse fell on him. 

1667
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,700
So Lord, eddard couldn't go 
west, he sent Lord Beric. 

1668
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:36,100
Instead with 20 of his own men 
and 20 from Winterfell, me among

1669
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:37,700
them. 
There were others. 

1670
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,000
Sides thorough since their 
Raymond Dairy and their men sir,

1671
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,200
glad and wild a Lord named 
lothar Mallory. 

1672
01:16:44,700 --> 01:16:48,300
But Gregor was waiting for us at
the mummer's Ford, with men, 

1673
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:53,100
concealed, on both Banks, as we 
crossed he fell upon us from 

1674
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:57,700
front and rear I saw the 
mountains, lay Raymond Dairy, 

1675
01:16:57,900 --> 01:17:02,200
with a single blow, so terrible,
that it took, dairies arm off at

1676
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,900
the elbow and killed the horse 
beneath him to sure glad in 

1677
01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:08,600
Wilde died. 
There with him. 

1678
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:11,400
And Lord. 
Mallory was written down, and 

1679
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,800
drowned, we had Lions on every 
side and I thought I was doomed 

1680
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,700
with the rest, but Alan shouted,
commands, and restored order to 

1681
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:24,000
our ranks and those still a 
horse, rallied around thoreau's 

1682
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:29,200
and cut our way free six score. 
We'd been that morning by dark. 

1683
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,600
No more than to score were left 
and Lord, Beric was Gravely 

1684
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,200
wounded for us leads the 
retreat. 

1685
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,700
That's pretty important. 
It makes sense again. 

1686
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,000
Again, rally around the guy. 
That's the most visible on the 

1687
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,100
battlefield. 
That's a very useful thing. 

1688
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:46,400
Like yeah, the huge guy in red 
with the Flaming sword, go to 

1689
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:50,000
him a lot easier than to go to 
the guy in Black which guy with 

1690
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,100
who, which one is that another 
reason why he's really valuable 

1691
01:17:53,100 --> 01:17:55,500
in the battlefield is also loud.
Like Robert has a big loud 

1692
01:17:55,500 --> 01:17:58,600
voice, which was very useful on 
the battlefield, when it's chaos

1693
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,100
and everything is at high 
volume. 

1694
01:18:00,700 --> 01:18:03,200
Lot of the great qualities. 
There are shown the Flaming 

1695
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,300
sword scatters enemies. 
So having him in the front is 

1696
01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:10,000
really effective as well. 
You want the guy that throws off

1697
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,100
the enemy on the initial charge 
when like Greg or someone who 

1698
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:16,800
throws formations off and for 
the retreat? 

1699
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,200
So he's going to clear a path. 
Yeah. 

1700
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,900
Right. 
His flaming sword might get 

1701
01:18:19,900 --> 01:18:22,000
people steering, clear of behind
them. 

1702
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,500
Yeah. 
They don't want to face that the

1703
01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:25,700
horses, especially don't want to
face that. 

1704
01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:29,000
And the horses that are on your 
side, maybe are used to it 

1705
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,800
because they've seen it a few 
times. 

1706
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,500
Whereas the horses on the enemy 
side or like a flaming sword 

1707
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:38,300
scary and not too scary cuz I 
mean horses are used to Torches 

1708
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:39,400
and stuff. 
That's not like they haven't 

1709
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,300
seen fire on a regular basis. 
But still something scary about 

1710
01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:45,300
that big green, flaming sword. 
Because lots of horses, throw 

1711
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:48,300
their Riders we've seen that and
not to mention, he's just big 

1712
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:51,400
and ferocious and strong. 
I mean, that's, you know what? 

1713
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:56,200
That is Tough Enough To Face 
this battle really nasty and 

1714
01:18:56,900 --> 01:18:59,300
this leads to directly to the 
Brotherhood without banners. 

1715
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:02,900
This super important thing 
about, they left, the keep on 

1716
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:06,400
the mission from the King and 
they're like, wait a minute, 

1717
01:19:06,900 --> 01:19:11,600
now, we're ready. 
It's so backwards so strange. 

1718
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,700
And so unlike the experience of 
almost all the rest of the 

1719
01:19:14,708 --> 01:19:16,800
characters in the series, and 
it's not just throws. 

1720
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,400
Here, we have another nice, 
lengthy, quote to describe the 

1721
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,000
experience for the group, you 
are. 

1722
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,300
So few that all we could do was 
Harry their rear. 

1723
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,900
But we told each other that we 
join up with King Robert, when 

1724
01:19:27,900 --> 01:19:31,000
he marks west across Lord, 
tywin's Rebellion, only, then we

1725
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,400
heard that Robert was dead and 
Lord eddard as well and Cersei 

1726
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,900
Lannister as well. 
Pedis ended the Iron Throne that

1727
01:19:36,900 --> 01:19:39,600
turned the whole world. 
Hold on its head, we'd been sent

1728
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,800
out by the Kings hand, to deal 
with Outlaws. 

1729
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,300
You see. 
Now we were the Outlaws and 

1730
01:19:44,300 --> 01:19:47,800
Lord, Tywin was handed the king.
There was some wanted to yield 

1731
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,200
then, but for Derek wouldn't 
hear of it. 

1732
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,800
We were still Kingsman. 
He said, and these were the 

1733
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,100
Kings people, the lions were 
Scavenging, if we could not 

1734
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:56,800
fight for Robert, we would fight
for them. 

1735
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,300
So, every man of us was dead and
so we did. 

1736
01:19:59,700 --> 01:20:02,000
But as we fought something queer
happened. 

1737
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,100
Every man, we lost two showed up
to take his place, a few more 

1738
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:08,000
nights or Squires of gentle. 
Birth. 

1739
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,700
But most were common field hands
and Fiddler's an innkeepers 

1740
01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:14,900
servants and shoemakers. 
Even to substance men of all 

1741
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:17,600
sorts and women to Children 
dogs. 

1742
01:20:18,700 --> 01:20:21,200
Gregor's. 
Ambush party was just the 

1743
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:25,800
advance of tywin's entire Army. 
But yourself in thoros of 

1744
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,500
mirrors perspective, here, 
they're going out to do King's 

1745
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:30,400
Justice in the name of his good 
friend. 

1746
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:34,900
Robert all of a sudden they're 
ambushed two thirds of their men

1747
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:37,000
are killed. 
A lot of thoris is Friends 

1748
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,600
probably in that group. 
So it's personal at this point, 

1749
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,900
but they're still about King 
Justice, right? 

1750
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,900
And they're like, oh my God, 
this isn't just an ambush. 

1751
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,700
This is a full-blown Rebellion 
because Casey tywin's whole 

1752
01:20:48,700 --> 01:20:51,400
Army, go by the like, holy crap.
This is a big deal. 

1753
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,400
This isn't just a small 
Excursion here, we're in the 

1754
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,700
midst of outbreak of Civil War. 
And so, as I says, well, we 

1755
01:20:57,700 --> 01:20:59,600
couldn't do much about all we 
can do is like attack their 

1756
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,400
foraging parties. 
There's only 40 of us. 

1757
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,600
And, you know, even though they 
were growing, that growth took 

1758
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,600
time, we're talk about the 
immediate aftermath of the 

1759
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,300
battle. 
The mummer's Ford before, this 

1760
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:12,000
recruitment Drive started, 
before they started to grow and 

1761
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:15,100
into a real force to be reckoned
with the stuff with Tywin 

1762
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:18,200
happened really early on. 
So they were Bye. 

1763
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,600
Ned hand to the king and while 
they're out in the field, Tywin 

1764
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,100
becomes hand of the king, like 
what what are they supposed to 

1765
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:26,000
do? 
Robert, the guy that they're 

1766
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:30,800
honorably fighting for dies. 
It's like Tywin did rebelled but

1767
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,400
one it's like he won his little 
Rebellion there and Joffrey is 

1768
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,400
on the throne. 
Now they're like, now we're 

1769
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:43,300
Outlaws what Santa at court is 
hearing all this and here's 

1770
01:21:43,300 --> 01:21:46,400
pycelle, read all this list of 
traitors people. 

1771
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,400
Who if they don't come and bend 
the Any and throws. 

1772
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,500
His name is listed among some 
big names. 

1773
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:56,100
Stannis Renly the Royce's, the 
tyrells the martel's bar Sameer,

1774
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,900
you know, like like okay so he's
it's a notable figure. 

1775
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,600
Nina says, this is a radical 
shift in the Paradigm for 

1776
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,300
thoreau's in the rest of that 
original band, as Harwin would 

1777
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:07,900
go on, to explain to Aria 
Hartman, of course, was amongst 

1778
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:11,500
the men that Ned sent from his 
group, he was the master. 

1779
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:14,400
He was the son of the master of 
Horse Holland, who are a finds 

1780
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,700
dying during the coup against 
Ned and his family and all that.

1781
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:21,200
Music continues bad. 
Not only experienced firsthand 

1782
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,300
the mummer's Ford. 
The downfall of aristocratic 

1783
01:22:23,300 --> 01:22:25,800
leadership the mountains, slew 
Raymond Dairy, while Gladden 

1784
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,200
wild and Lord mayor were also 
killed but saw its failure 

1785
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,800
second hand as well while still 
in the field essentially, 

1786
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,300
against Tywin. 
They face the Paradox that we 

1787
01:22:34,300 --> 01:22:37,900
were sent by the Kings hand, but
now to go after an outlaw. 

1788
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:40,900
But now that Outlaw is the hand 
of the king, the whole world 

1789
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:43,100
turned on its head, it was an 
actual quote from them, Beric 

1790
01:22:43,100 --> 01:22:46,500
Dondarrion, provided an answer, 
he was the only Lord left of 

1791
01:22:46,500 --> 01:22:50,200
them all The other, like, 
high-ranking guys were killed, 

1792
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:51,700
but Barak said. 
Okay. 

1793
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:54,900
We'll just keep following our 
directive which is eerily 

1794
01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:57,900
similar to what Catelyn does 
when she's resurrected, she's 

1795
01:22:57,900 --> 01:23:00,300
like just continues on doing 
what she was doing like but with

1796
01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:04,300
more focus, more intent, more 
single-mindedness about. 

1797
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:07,000
He's like, well we were sent out
to work for the king, king Robb,

1798
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,200
we're going to keep working for 
King Robert, but that's 

1799
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,700
interesting because all the 
other Lords and high-ranking 

1800
01:23:11,700 --> 01:23:14,100
people were dead. 
So only this Undead night is 

1801
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:17,200
around for them. 
But of course, this point there 

1802
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,800
are describing They've jumped 
past his resurrection and her 

1803
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,500
talking about other things, but 
we have to go back. 

1804
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:25,400
It's these Innocents who suffer 
when the high Lords play their 

1805
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,400
Game of Thrones that quote 
always comes back because it's 

1806
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,300
so Central to the story to what 
George is trying to tell us. 

1807
01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:36,900
And this group perfect example 
of that they're like, hey, hi 

1808
01:23:36,900 --> 01:23:42,100
Lord, send them out to do a job.
The entire job flips halfway 

1809
01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:44,800
through because of the Game of 
Thrones being played their 

1810
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,700
pieces on the board. 
While the game is being played. 

1811
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,500
Add the board. 
He said the world flipped on its

1812
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:53,300
head while the board with 
flipped on the table on the 

1813
01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:57,100
floor you know, like when egg on
the 6th when young Griff throws 

1814
01:23:57,100 --> 01:23:59,300
the board on the ground playing 
with Tyrion and it's kind of 

1815
01:23:59,308 --> 01:24:03,700
like that sigh bass board worth 
noting its flipped on its head 

1816
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:06,600
from the perspective of these 
Lords, playing your games where 

1817
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,900
the Innocents suffer. 
Yeah, but from their perspective

1818
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:13,600
of rather than we're going to 
like represent Ned to defeat the

1819
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,700
Lannisters. 
We're going to protect these 

1820
01:24:15,700 --> 01:24:17,700
innocent people. 
Hmm that didn't change. 

1821
01:24:17,900 --> 01:24:20,100
That's true based. 
Yeah they cook they stuck to 

1822
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:21,600
what they were going to do. 
You're right even though the 

1823
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,600
world around them flip their 
Duty stayed the same. 

1824
01:24:24,700 --> 01:24:26,700
They're like, well, this is what
we're about and it was great. 

1825
01:24:26,700 --> 01:24:28,100
Yeah, that's it's really, it's 
wonderful. 

1826
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:30,100
Beautiful. 
And that's also in line with 

1827
01:24:30,100 --> 01:24:32,600
another thing that Martin is 
constantly pushing is this idea 

1828
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,800
of torn loyalties like what if 
the king tells you to do one 

1829
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,400
thing and a queen tells you to 
do something different and what 

1830
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,500
if the king tells you to do 
something that's bad for the 

1831
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:43,600
people, the point of the king is
to help the people. 

1832
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,400
But so anyway, this is thinking 
they're casting off there. 

1833
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:49,400
Loyalties. 
Yeah. 

1834
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:52,000
Oath. 
That Jamie is so torn between 

1835
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,100
and just doing what they think 
is fundamentally, right? 

1836
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:56,400
They start off that way. 
At least well said. 

1837
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,800
His purpose in coming to 
Westeros was to convert people 

1838
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,700
to real, or pretty simple. 
Start with Aries trickle, down 

1839
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:05,100
from there. 
When that failed try with 

1840
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:06,600
Robert, then really work, 
either. 

1841
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,000
He got close to Robert, but the 
religion part didn't didn't kick

1842
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,600
off, but it was soon as he 
starts doing things in King. 

1843
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,400
Robert's name out in the field 
for the common folk, all sorts 

1844
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,400
of results. 
Great example of religious 

1845
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:23,600
syncretism, real Orest nights 
all the brother without banners 

1846
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,100
get knighted under the light of 
the seven, but With the flame of

1847
01:25:28,100 --> 01:25:31,200
the lore. 
So thoris, is it last succeeding

1848
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,100
in winning people to real, or 
after 20 to 25 years of trying 

1849
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:35,400
to trickle down through the 
king? 

1850
01:25:35,900 --> 01:25:37,300
He does. 
The opposite reproach, the 

1851
01:25:37,300 --> 01:25:40,600
Grassroots approach and it's 
working great, they sent him to 

1852
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,800
the king didn't work. 
Grassroots approach. 

1853
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,000
Working great worth noting that 
if he had resurrected Robert 

1854
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:50,400
trickle down approach might as 
well get in there where Robert 

1855
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,600
got gored by the boar and 
brought him back alive. 

1856
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,200
There might have been some other
ripples. 

1857
01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:57,900
I'll be a very different story. 
You're right, man. 

1858
01:25:57,900 --> 01:26:01,200
What a, what a what if that 
would be and to be fair as well,

1859
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,000
the trickle-down effect is 
working pretty well for 

1860
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,800
Melisandre. 
She went after Stannis tan is 

1861
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,800
bought in and people are getting
converted. 

1862
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,600
Now a lot of it's still pretty 
forcible. 

1863
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,700
Like at the wall, it's not all 
that necessarily holding but 

1864
01:26:11,700 --> 01:26:14,200
this is Georgia is just a great 
and wonderful dichotomy of 

1865
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,100
George r.r. 
Martin, like doesn't all work 

1866
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:18,000
the same way, different 
scenarios, different people 

1867
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,500
different stuff, different 
results. 

1868
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:21,800
Do you think it would have 
worked if you tried on Robert? 

1869
01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:25,700
Oh no, it was. 
I don't I really don't know. 

1870
01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:29,100
I think maybe our Barrack that 
that where that was the 

1871
01:26:29,100 --> 01:26:31,900
important part I guess is my 
point barek just passed it on to

1872
01:26:31,900 --> 01:26:33,600
Catelyn. 
What's what makes Catlin so 

1873
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,300
special in that room? 
That's kind of my thought. 

1874
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:36,800
Is that like it? 
Well I mean there could be 

1875
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,900
significance to like why role or
could want Catelyn alive and we 

1876
01:26:41,900 --> 01:26:45,300
seriously unlike things that 
Catelyn could do, that could be 

1877
01:26:45,300 --> 01:26:49,400
significant and a plot sense. 
And yeah, I mean, I think that 

1878
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,300
it could have been that it would
not have worked on Robert. 

1879
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:55,200
It works in Barrack, I worked on
Catelyn and it wouldn't have 

1880
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,300
worked on like sand or or it 
would have worked on Sand, or 

1881
01:26:58,300 --> 01:27:00,000
you know what I mean? 
I don't think it would work with

1882
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,300
Robert simply because the 
dragons had been born yet. 

1883
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:06,900
Like, the official starts 
working hadn't quite happened 

1884
01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:08,200
yet. 
Like, if Robert dies at the 

1885
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,500
beginning, Clash of Kings, when 
some of these things are 

1886
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:12,700
starting to kick off. 
And then do you think it could 

1887
01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:15,400
work as it should me? 
I there's a part of me thinks 

1888
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,900
maybe if there is I go back and 
forth. 

1889
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:23,000
I have to think that there's a 
chance that there is some Some 

1890
01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:27,000
thought behind it that it isn't 
just totally random magic. 

1891
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:28,900
The people Channel I got to 
agree with you there because 

1892
01:27:28,900 --> 01:27:31,900
like otherwise, like, why aren't
there a lot more resurrections 

1893
01:27:31,900 --> 01:27:34,000
but he just just resurrects. 
Beric is like, what about the 

1894
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,000
other people? 
I don't even resurrect. 

1895
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,500
Anyone else only Barrack 
repeatedly. 

1896
01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:40,900
As you never tried is known as 
no said, my brother is dead. 

1897
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:44,100
Please throw save. 
It was like, no, not even try 

1898
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:48,300
exact because they asked about 
Catelyn, like, do it on her. 

1899
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:50,000
He's like, nah, she's been dead 
too long. 

1900
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,000
But what about like all the 
other members of the 

1901
01:27:52,008 --> 01:27:53,700
Brotherhood? 
That just died in the Battle 

1902
01:27:53,700 --> 01:27:57,000
like well, what about him. 
Yeah, so there are yeah I'm kind

1903
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,000
of with you. 
I think that it's Barrack. 

1904
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:02,100
Yeah. 
And Caitlin, I don't think, I 

1905
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:04,500
don't think it. 
Well, I'm not to say there's no 

1906
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:06,900
way it would have worked on 
Robert but I don't think it just

1907
01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:09,800
works on anyone. 
He tries whether whether or not 

1908
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:11,800
it worked on Roberts, still 
might be a question. 

1909
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:15,400
Yeah, you have an undead Robert.
We had to have an immunity have 

1910
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,400
an undead Robert, Robert strong 
much larger and even more 

1911
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,200
formidable, but there can only 
be one Gonna Leave You 

1912
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,300
wondering. 
Another question is like someone

1913
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:27,700
who's not significant like any 
other great or like, like 

1914
01:28:27,700 --> 01:28:28,400
there's a milli. 
I got. 

1915
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,300
I'm just like, I don't think 
that it would have just worked. 

1916
01:28:31,300 --> 01:28:33,500
Oh yeah, I think you're right. 
Which, and that's how thorough 

1917
01:28:33,500 --> 01:28:36,400
sees it too, because he's like, 
this is the will of real or he's

1918
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,100
like, I don't know why he wants 
Barrack back but he wants some, 

1919
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:41,800
but clearly the Lord of Light, 
once barek walking around doing 

1920
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:43,700
stuff everything. 
That's just the way a religious 

1921
01:28:43,700 --> 01:28:46,400
person operates like well if 
it's happening we don't have an 

1922
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,300
explanation for it. 
It's just the will of the gods. 

1923
01:28:48,300 --> 01:28:50,200
They have a reason. 
We don't, we can't perceive what

1924
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,000
that reason is. 
Except that, except that you're 

1925
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,200
not going to know what these 
higher beings are doing. 

1926
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:56,500
Like, why would you know what 
they're doing? 

1927
01:28:56,500 --> 01:28:59,400
You can't even see them, you 
know, they're so far above us. 

1928
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,400
We're ants to them. 
You know, why would we know? 

1929
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,100
And he's a little bit more, 
honest about it to other people 

1930
01:29:05,100 --> 01:29:08,300
outwardly, right? 
Like, I don't do this, it's the 

1931
01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:10,400
red God. 
Is there with, you know, my 

1932
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,400
prayers being answered. 
I'm not doing it. 

1933
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,500
We're Melisandre. 
Seems internally to know that 

1934
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:18,100
it's not really her. 
But externally once everyone to 

1935
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:20,700
believe that it is, yeah, I have
this power. 

1936
01:29:20,700 --> 01:29:23,000
Listen to what I'm telling, On 
you and insides like, man, I 

1937
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,000
hope my Powers right. 
Yeah. 

1938
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:26,800
Yeah, that's true. 
And that's another little 

1939
01:29:26,900 --> 01:29:28,200
interesting comparison between 
the two. 

1940
01:29:28,300 --> 01:29:31,200
They have the same religion, 
they've basically the same rank 

1941
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,800
I guess Melisandre and thoros 
do, but they have such a 

1942
01:29:34,808 --> 01:29:37,200
different approach. 
Melisandre's directly in the 

1943
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,200
spotlight. 
She's out there. 

1944
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,300
Talking big prophecies in front 
of people moving Stannis around 

1945
01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:45,700
make encouraging to make big 
decisions sleeping with him to 

1946
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:47,700
encourage them even more. 
Making Shadow babies, all this 

1947
01:29:47,700 --> 01:29:51,000
other stuff actually wielding. 
Majuro this approach was not to 

1948
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:57,000
sleep with Throw a drink with 
the difference between. 

1949
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,800
Yeah he was hoping they'd get 
drunk enough and experiment. 

1950
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:03,800
Yeah maybe they did it might 
have convinced. 

1951
01:30:06,100 --> 01:30:07,800
I mean Robert can never remember
what he had done. 

1952
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,500
Was thirsty. 
The next days you know it's not 

1953
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:12,400
sexy but was able to get away 
with not actually having his 

1954
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,000
children in and was like Robert 
won't remember. 

1955
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,200
Anyway, let's just two Bros 
being broke. 

1956
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,400
Just two Bros being Bros be like
Creed. 

1957
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,400
He was in a bunch of orgies. 
If it's a guy, Man, my to get in

1958
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:28,000
there, who can know if you 
don't, there's literally no way.

1959
01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:33,800
Literally no need a rights, 
Doris Melisandre form. 

1960
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,400
Very interesting contrast to 
each other. 

1961
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,700
They start from roughly the same
place but the rest is the 

1962
01:30:37,700 --> 01:30:40,700
official representative sent to 
convert Aries, and then Robert 

1963
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:43,600
Melisandre is the on authorized 
representative whose mission is 

1964
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:48,000
to Enlighten status on what she 
sees as his apocalyptic Destiny.

1965
01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:51,000
Each of them also stands at the 
opposite ends of the spectrum of

1966
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,600
religious, Integration in the 
story for Melisandre. 

1967
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,000
Nothing Else Matters, except the
fate of the world and that's 

1968
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,800
understandable. 
I mean, you can understand 

1969
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:00,400
putting that first, right? 
It's a big deal and if you don't

1970
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,600
take care of the apocalyptic 
crisis, then what else is there?

1971
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,100
There's nothing left, right? 
There is no life, there is no 

1972
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,500
happiness. 
Like happiness is a small thing 

1973
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:12,000
to say when you have no living 
humans, but for thoreau's, it's 

1974
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,300
not so much about the apocalypse
as about the Here. 

1975
01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:17,000
And Now relora is a daily 
presence in the lives of 

1976
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,700
humanity. 
And it's his throws, his job to 

1977
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:23,200
make his will manifest by The 
lives of his people, neither 

1978
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,600
side is totally, right or wrong.
And that's great conflict. 

1979
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,500
Yeah, he's more like a septon 
marable in a lot of ways. 

1980
01:31:28,500 --> 01:31:30,800
And when in fact, they encounter
each other and sipped, a 

1981
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,600
brother, like you people are 
dressed as Lannisters. 

1982
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,400
I got a problem with you Heil 
and Podrick and Brienne, but 

1983
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,500
user have Tamara ball. 
You're cool, you can go and that

1984
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:41,000
was brand, was concerned. 
She's like, what did you do? 

1985
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,200
Mad some, oh, we let him go. 
He's cool. 

1986
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,000
You know, like, oh, all right. 
So it's really neat to compare 

1987
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,200
these. 
There's so many interesting 

1988
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,300
religious figures all throughout
this story. 

1989
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,900
Re Doris personally I find him 
one of the most interesting 

1990
01:31:54,900 --> 01:31:58,900
because he combines a lot of 
what I feel like religious 

1991
01:31:58,900 --> 01:32:03,100
people should be like like help 
actually helping people go and 

1992
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:04,900
putting themselves. 
Not necessarily putting yourself

1993
01:32:04,900 --> 01:32:09,200
at risk though, he does that but
like spending your life if you 

1994
01:32:09,300 --> 01:32:12,300
say, this is what you are, what 
you're all about about making 

1995
01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:14,600
lives of people, better than you
should do it. 

1996
01:32:14,900 --> 01:32:18,000
And a lot of them just rely too 
much on the quote-unquote 

1997
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,200
trickle-down effect rather than 
getting out there getting your 

1998
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,300
hands dirty with the grass. 
It's getting in there in the 

1999
01:32:22,300 --> 01:32:24,500
dirt and actually planting the 
seeds yourself which is what 

2000
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:25,800
kind of more of the thoreau's 
approach. 

2001
01:32:25,900 --> 01:32:27,600
And to me I have a little more 
respect for that. 

2002
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,500
I guess not that I don't have 
respect for the Melisandre 

2003
01:32:30,500 --> 01:32:33,000
approach. 
I do think leaders causes great 

2004
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,000
change. 
It absolutely does whether you 

2005
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,100
like it or not whether you like 
that the world works that way or

2006
01:32:37,100 --> 01:32:39,800
not. 
It does so much. 

2007
01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:43,300
That happens in politics is 
rooted in relationships and 

2008
01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:46,700
personal things that we don't 
always see who's the Melisandre 

2009
01:32:46,700 --> 01:32:51,200
that I have to play for the 
political landscape woman. 

2010
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,600
Bye. 
Behind every great man or 

2011
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,900
whatever. 
So the actual Resurrection. 

2012
01:32:57,900 --> 01:33:01,900
So this is when thoreau's his 
life flipped upside down. 

2013
01:33:01,900 --> 01:33:04,900
Sure hit flipped upside down 
because of the political 

2014
01:33:04,900 --> 01:33:08,900
situation, the Robert losing his
best friend lose it, having all 

2015
01:33:08,900 --> 01:33:10,900
these other things happen or one
of his best friends having, oh, 

2016
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:13,700
that's a big huge deal in his 
life and everything changed. 

2017
01:33:13,700 --> 01:33:16,100
Obviously, he went from sitting 
around drinking to being an 

2018
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:21,300
outlaw in just a few days. 
But then on top of that, this 

2019
01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:25,900
That first time his lordship had
a hole right through him and 

2020
01:33:25,900 --> 01:33:29,100
blood in his mouth. 
I knew there was no hope so when

2021
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:33,600
his poor toward chest stopped 
moving, I gave him the good 

2022
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,400
God's Own kiss to send him on 
his way. 

2023
01:33:36,700 --> 01:33:40,800
I filled my mouth with fire and 
breathe the Flames inside him 

2024
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,100
down his throat to lungs, and 
heart and soul. 

2025
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:47,800
The last kiss, it is called and 
many a time. 

2026
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:51,300
I saw the old priests bestow it 
on the Lord's. 

2027
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,800
Ants as they died. 
I had given it a time or two 

2028
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:59,400
myself as all priests must. 
But never before had, I felt a 

2029
01:33:59,407 --> 01:34:04,700
dead man shudder as the fire 
filled him nor seen his eyes 

2030
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:06,800
come open. 
It was not me. 

2031
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:11,100
Who raised him, my lady. 
It was the Lord real or is not 

2032
01:34:11,100 --> 01:34:15,200
done with him yet. 
Life is warmth and warmth is 

2033
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,600
Fire and Fire is gods and gods 
alone. 

2034
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:21,300
This was a man that had the 
capacity. 

2035
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:25,800
A pasta t for deep Faith, but it
was dormant because he just 

2036
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,400
didn't see enough in the world 
to justify it. 

2037
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,300
To back it up to make it seem 
real. 

2038
01:34:30,700 --> 01:34:33,600
He never truly embraced it. 
He says himself, he wasn't that 

2039
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,100
good of a priest early on. 
And this is why he wasn't 

2040
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:37,800
jealous. 
He didn't believe his much heed,

2041
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,600
his faith wasn't as Intense or 
strong as most of the people 

2042
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:45,900
around him in the priesthood. 
And then it got less and less as

2043
01:34:45,900 --> 01:34:47,900
he spent more time. 
Like we said, he's he's not 

2044
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:49,700
around other Red Priest, he's 
just in Westeros. 

2045
01:34:49,700 --> 01:34:51,800
You not even around other 
mirrors people, he's around 

2046
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:53,600
Robert, he's around, are he's 
around. 

2047
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,000
Whoever else is around people 
who worship the seven and 

2048
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:00,600
occasionally worship of the old 
gods, And so this just his 

2049
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:01,900
faith, probably decrease even 
more. 

2050
01:35:01,900 --> 01:35:04,900
And then just boom, bam. 
Holy crap. 

2051
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:09,300
Resurrection like wow, talk 
about flipping the world on his 

2052
01:35:09,300 --> 01:35:12,700
head. 
Again, he just found himself in 

2053
01:35:12,700 --> 01:35:16,000
the Civil War with his friend 
dead completely, the world 

2054
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:17,600
looked around. 
And now, his faith is flipped 

2055
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:18,800
to. 
There's right very few 

2056
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:23,300
characters in the entire story. 
We can say had such a huge 

2057
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:25,700
change of perspective in such a 
short period of time and lived 

2058
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:28,100
to tell about it and kept going,
right? 

2059
01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:29,700
That's there. 
This is few people that had this

2060
01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:31,500
much happen so quickly all at 
once. 

2061
01:35:32,900 --> 01:35:35,800
Another clone are by the way, 
share that he had performed that

2062
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,700
ceremony on people before 
himself. 

2063
01:35:37,700 --> 01:35:39,500
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And come back alive. 

2064
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:42,800
So he probably would have tried 
to do that with Robert. 

2065
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:43,400
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2066
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,300
I used to write you might have 
you write and I Christina K 

2067
01:35:46,300 --> 01:35:51,100
brings up that line filled my 
mouth with fire is so odd. 

2068
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:52,100
What does like what does that 
mean? 

2069
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:54,500
Which is a you know true like 
what does it do? 

2070
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,300
Is there an actual fire? 
Like I don't doubt it. 

2071
01:35:57,300 --> 01:35:59,900
I'm like, I picture it kind of 
like, you know, like if you can 

2072
01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:03,900
make yourself burp Nike There's 
like a sensation. 

2073
01:36:03,900 --> 01:36:06,400
It can be hard to describe to 
someone how you like fill your 

2074
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,500
lungs with air and then like 
fill your mouth like maybe there

2075
01:36:09,500 --> 01:36:12,000
is like a real thing that 
ascends that he TAPS in. 

2076
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,500
We're like he feels that but I 
don't I'm someone else in the 

2077
01:36:15,500 --> 01:36:18,100
shower guilty. 
Undertaker said maybe it helps 

2078
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:20,000
take a mouthful of hard liquor 
first. 

2079
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:26,400
Yeah yeah brief by little 
Fireball but yeah, it's hard for

2080
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,500
them to put into words but he 
knows it when he does it. 

2081
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,000
Yeah, is not the filing. 
He it's a sensation that he 

2082
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,200
does. 
He is doing a thing and Nina 

2083
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,400
writes it and it occurs at a 
moment of empathy on the part of

2084
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,000
thoreau's, the miracle happens 
not because he's trying to make 

2085
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:42,900
a miracle, he's not like let's 
aim for a miracle. 

2086
01:36:42,900 --> 01:36:45,400
He's just doing the last nice 
thing. 

2087
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,100
He can for his friend for his 
dying friend or his just 

2088
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:50,800
deceased friend. 
It's he's he wants him to go to 

2089
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,800
real or heaven or would have you
or to be in a better place. 

2090
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,600
It is empathy, it is kindness. 
This is the heart and soul of 

2091
01:36:57,900 --> 01:37:02,100
what priest quote-unquote should
be priestesses to a that's that 

2092
01:37:02,100 --> 01:37:06,000
was an 8. 
A gender phrase, ha ha, but the 

2093
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,900
mat, but it worked. 
I mean, yeah, like he could not,

2094
01:37:07,900 --> 01:37:09,300
he didn't see it coming. 
He had no idea. 

2095
01:37:09,300 --> 01:37:11,100
It was coming. 
He had didn't have hope of that 

2096
01:37:11,100 --> 01:37:12,800
happening. 
It was completely off the table.

2097
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:14,400
It wasn't like. 
Well, let's take our chance 

2098
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,500
here, like, completely 
completely unexpected. 

2099
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,300
As the inner rights, DeRosa 
small Act of sympathy results in

2100
01:37:21,300 --> 01:37:23,700
a wondrous, Resurrection, 
wondrous, indeed. 

2101
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:26,900
It's hard to know exactly what 
went on in throws his mind, 

2102
01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:28,600
through all that. 
He expresses, some of it, we've 

2103
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,800
got several quotes, I actually, 
in this throughout this episode,

2104
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,700
I have most of everything for 
Rose has ever said not 

2105
01:37:33,700 --> 01:37:36,200
everything. 
He talks a lot, a lot of scenes 

2106
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,400
with him, especially the Storm 
of Swords, but also quite a bit 

2107
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,800
in the Feast for Crows, but most
of the meaningful things he 

2108
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,900
says, we have in this episode. 
There's not so many that we 

2109
01:37:43,907 --> 01:37:47,000
can't get most of them. 
So one of the best quotes we can

2110
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:51,100
get from him that applies to, 
this is right here in response 

2111
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:54,400
to being told, yeah. 
He's, you know, you were not 

2112
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:58,400
such a great priest. 
Yet, I am not the false priest. 

2113
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:02,700
You knew the Lord of Light has 
woken in my heart, many Powers 

2114
01:38:02,700 --> 01:38:06,800
long asleep or Waking and there 
are forces moving in the land. 

2115
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:11,700
I have seen them in my Flames. 
Yeah, his and his flame reading 

2116
01:38:11,700 --> 01:38:13,500
is one of the things that's 
stronger. 

2117
01:38:13,500 --> 01:38:17,400
Now, his ability to see things 
there is has grown greenbeard 

2118
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:20,000
claims thoris is going to find 
Jamie in the Flames, when he 

2119
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,700
hears that Jamie's escape from 
riverrun look well for us to 

2120
01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:24,800
find him, you know, through 
flame reading like all. 

2121
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:27,400
Then there's More and more 
resurrections. 

2122
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:31,300
He resurrects Beric six times 
and he's uncomfortable with 

2123
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:33,600
their both uncomfortable with 
the Barrack asked him about it. 

2124
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,500
He's like, he doesn't, he 
doesn't want to name the number 

2125
01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:41,800
Barrack insist, he's like 6. 
And then later when thoreau's is

2126
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:45,600
expressing his amazement at the 
miraculousness of it all and and

2127
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,700
and talk about how great flame 
is Barak jumps in. 

2128
01:38:48,700 --> 01:38:50,600
Kind of angle. 
He's like fire consumes 

2129
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,300
everything. 
Everything and thoris was like 

2130
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:54,700
what's the matter? 
My friend? 

2131
01:38:54,700 --> 01:38:58,000
Because of my, he calls in my 
Eep friend and Barak just walks 

2132
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,300
away abruptly. 
The idea that in the afterlife, 

2133
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,600
it's just nothing. 
There's nothing at all or if 

2134
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,600
least if you go through the 
Flames for that, there's 

2135
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,100
nothing. 
This is a man who's died six 

2136
01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:08,700
times. 
And doesn't it remembers less? 

2137
01:39:08,700 --> 01:39:10,400
Every time he comes back, 
certainly does remember what 

2138
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,000
it's like to be dead? 
He says are You My Mother 

2139
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,600
Thoreau? 
So at one point it's 

2140
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:16,800
heart-rending. 
It's almost as bad as egg. 

2141
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:21,400
I dreamt, I was young, which is 
yeah, let's not dwell on that. 

2142
01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:25,900
By the way, I can't help but 
notice the dancing around the 

2143
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:30,300
Are again his six times hasn't 
got to the seventh yet and as if

2144
01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:32,700
he's his mother. 
Yeah, the seven. 

2145
01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:34,900
And there isn't a 7, there isn't
a seventh, right? 

2146
01:39:34,900 --> 01:39:38,400
Because the, what the he passes 
the flame to stoneheart before 

2147
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:39,900
they could have been won. 
She's the sub. 

2148
01:39:39,900 --> 01:39:43,000
Yeah, the stranger. 
Oh, I can't say the mother, but 

2149
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,800
a stranger. 
Yeah, she's a little of both I 

2150
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,800
suppose, but it's interesting 
that how some of the other 

2151
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:51,100
brothers don't necessarily fully
perceive what's happening. 

2152
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:53,800
It's like, instead of embracing 
The Awakening of all powers. 

2153
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:55,900
The saying, well, thoris is 
really magical and Powerful. 

2154
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,100
For people like Lem to say, no, 
he's the greatest healer, he 

2155
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:03,200
sees it as healing Barracks when
time response to that, by just 

2156
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:07,400
kind of staring at them. 
Like I don't I can't explain to 

2157
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:09,800
you my just gonna let him being 
I'm not gonna say anything, just

2158
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:11,300
let this go hon. 
Just go ahead and believe that. 

2159
01:40:11,300 --> 01:40:14,000
Yeah, no greater healer, he 
pauses and just as yeah, no 

2160
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,100
greater healer, sure. 
They sure. 

2161
01:40:16,100 --> 01:40:17,800
But that's kind of in my mind 
that was implied. 

2162
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:20,600
Let him hold on to his balilla, 
if it makes him feel better. 

2163
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,100
He can think that way. 
You know, don't disabuse him of 

2164
01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:25,900
that, but there are o star us 
accuses bear. 

2165
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,700
Work of being unconscious. 
He's like you just keep getting 

2166
01:40:28,700 --> 01:40:32,800
yourself killed and varro's no I
mean this is stauros a guy who 

2167
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,400
charges through the breach who 
leads from the front. 

2168
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:39,900
He's like no, you are being too.
You're being too on cautious. 

2169
01:40:39,900 --> 01:40:44,000
This isn't like a person is like
nervous at seeing people put 

2170
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,100
themselves in danger in general.
Now, this is a guy who's quite 

2171
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:50,600
comfortable bleeding from the 
front being brave and fearless. 

2172
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:52,700
And he's telling this guy. 
You're being too brave and 

2173
01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:54,500
fearless. 
Yeah. 

2174
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:59,500
That's really something in terms
of like their war effort, 

2175
01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:02,100
they're constantly rating supply
lines, attacking Lannister 

2176
01:41:02,100 --> 01:41:05,900
foragers, his Legend starts to 
grow in other circles. 

2177
01:41:05,900 --> 01:41:09,500
It's sometimes exaggerated 
because you game of telephone, 

2178
01:41:09,500 --> 01:41:11,800
you know, thoreau's is here and 
there and everywhere. 

2179
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:16,200
And but it's important that it's
not Barrack, it's Barrack and 

2180
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,200
thoros whenever they get 
mentioned, it's Barrack and 

2181
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:20,900
thoros, it's the the Red Priest 
in the lightning Lord. 

2182
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,500
Even though Barrack is 
technically in charge, throws 

2183
01:41:23,500 --> 01:41:26,500
takes a subordinate role to him 
because Azam, my Lord recognizes

2184
01:41:26,500 --> 01:41:30,200
his rank, they're pretty much 
the co-leaders of the group and 

2185
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,700
recognize that way. 
So both of their stories grow 

2186
01:41:33,700 --> 01:41:36,200
especially Barracks because 
everybody's like, I can't be 

2187
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,800
killed, but there is is going to
keep bringing him back even 

2188
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:41,100
though he credits the Lord of 
Light. 

2189
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:43,100
Well, none of the other people 
could do that. 

2190
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:45,900
None of the other members of the
Brotherhood could have the Lord 

2191
01:41:45,900 --> 01:41:47,800
light. 
Do that for them then I can 

2192
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,700
respond to their prayers only 
throws. 

2193
01:41:49,700 --> 01:41:52,000
His prayers is a little bit of 
downplaying. 

2194
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,800
The Resurrection to yes right 
there a couple of times. 

2195
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:59,500
Mention a oh hey barek was 
nearly dead but not like he was 

2196
01:41:59,500 --> 01:42:03,100
killed and I brought him back. 
Like he's slowly reveals it to 

2197
01:42:03,100 --> 01:42:05,200
Aria. 
Yeah, he's uncomfortable with it

2198
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,800
to a little bit. 
I for example yeah here's 

2199
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,900
another example or relevant side
bit here when Jaime and Brienne 

2200
01:42:11,900 --> 01:42:15,100
and kleos are trying to sneak 
from River on the King's Landing

2201
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:17,000
after Catlin sets Jamie free, 
right? 

2202
01:42:17,100 --> 01:42:21,100
They encounter an inn where the 
owners try to steer them into a 

2203
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:22,400
Brotherhood without banners 
Ambush. 

2204
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:23,500
Right? 
Remember this? 

2205
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,500
They warn them off. 
Other routes to try to get them 

2206
01:42:26,500 --> 01:42:28,100
to take the route they want. 
No, I know. 

2207
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:30,000
You don't wanna go down that 
route, you don't wanna go that 

2208
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,500
way because the bubble and one 
of them is talking about thoris 

2209
01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:36,700
and Barracks, as he mentions, 
how deadly Lord Beric is, and 

2210
01:42:36,700 --> 01:42:40,500
Jamie response. 
Does thoros of myr still ride 

2211
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:42,900
with him. 
I have, the red wizard. 

2212
01:42:43,100 --> 01:42:45,300
I've heard tale. 
He has strange Powers. 

2213
01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:48,500
Well, he had the power to match.
Robert Baratheon, drink for 

2214
01:42:48,500 --> 01:42:52,100
drink, and there were few enough
who could say that Jamie had 

2215
01:42:52,100 --> 01:42:54,800
once heard of thoreau's, tell 
the king that he became. 

2216
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,500
A red Breeze because the robes 
hid the wine stain. 

2217
01:42:58,500 --> 01:43:03,200
So well Robert had laughed so 
hard, he'd spit ale all over a 

2218
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:06,100
cersei's, silken mantle to Silk 
and mantle. 

2219
01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:10,800
Hi Dale stains. 
Can you imagine Searcy? 

2220
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:16,000
She was there just like ice-cold
stalked out like you and 

2221
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,100
rightfully? 
So, that's a terrible thing to 

2222
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:21,400
do. 
So rude, this is a guy who works

2223
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:23,000
for Thoreau saying, oh, the Red 
Priest. 

2224
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:24,800
You don't want to encounter him,
he is strange. 

2225
01:43:24,900 --> 01:43:26,500
Powers. 
He's talking him up to 

2226
01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:29,000
discourage Jaime and Brienne and
playoffs from going that route, 

2227
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:32,200
you know, how or else is 
probably or at least possibly 

2228
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,100
the one waiting to Ambush them, 
you know, Lisa or some people 

2229
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:37,500
that he works with. 
So that's funny. 

2230
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:42,400
And remember some Outlaws kill 
kleos and shoot arrows at Damien

2231
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:43,700
Brianna. 
That might have even been those.

2232
01:43:43,700 --> 01:43:46,400
Same people are not the same 
people, but a different group of

2233
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,200
Brotherhood without banners that
hunt there. 

2234
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,800
They have course do want to 
capture Jamie and do much later 

2235
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:54,800
much later which is, you know 
where things are. 

2236
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,500
Where the books are now. 
But also they go around feeding 

2237
01:43:57,500 --> 01:44:00,900
the common people winning their 
trust, but it's a little like 

2238
01:44:00,900 --> 01:44:04,800
communism with the, the pluses, 
and minuses, where they're also 

2239
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,100
taking from people, to give to 
others. 

2240
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:10,400
And that not Everyone likes 
that, of course, here's another 

2241
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:14,200
quote to describe that scenario 
from Maria, are is listening 

2242
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:17,400
here. 
She heard one wizened old woman 

2243
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:21,000
complained to another, when they
had bedded down for the night, 

2244
01:44:21,300 --> 01:44:24,600
we never did no treason the 
others come in and took what 

2245
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,600
they wanted. 
Wanted same as this Bunch or a 

2246
01:44:27,608 --> 01:44:29,300
Barrack. 
Did us no hurt though. 

2247
01:44:29,300 --> 01:44:32,300
Her friend whispered and I read 
priest with him, he paid for all

2248
01:44:32,300 --> 01:44:35,100
they took paid. 
He took two of my chickens and 

2249
01:44:35,108 --> 01:44:37,300
gave me a bit of paper with a 
mark on it. 

2250
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:39,300
Can I eat a bit of raggy Old 
Paper? 

2251
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:41,700
I ask you will it? 
Give me eggs. 

2252
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:45,600
She looked about to see that. 
No guards were near and spat 

2253
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,300
three times. 
I'm not going to make the 

2254
01:44:48,300 --> 01:44:53,400
spitting sound for your benefit.
There's for the Tully's and 

2255
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:56,600
there's for the Lannisters. 
And there's for the Starks. 

2256
01:44:56,600 --> 01:45:03,500
Thanks for the great old lady, 
actually hold say something just

2257
01:45:03,500 --> 01:45:05,900
a little something here, that's 
gonna speak some people's 

2258
01:45:05,900 --> 01:45:08,200
interest. 
Okay, there's a lot, I want you 

2259
01:45:08,208 --> 01:45:11,500
to think about this scene of 
these and think about a certain 

2260
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:15,000
Winds of Winter character that 
we've heard about that Aziz. 

2261
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:17,500
And I have heard about that is 
not a character we can talk 

2262
01:45:17,500 --> 01:45:18,900
about. 
But there's a little. 

2263
01:45:18,900 --> 01:45:22,000
Can you think about that about 
pieces of paper and they're 

2264
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,100
valuing their value? 
Oh, good guys. 

2265
01:45:24,100 --> 01:45:26,700
Just that just a little It's a 
good for y'all one day we'll 

2266
01:45:26,700 --> 01:45:28,900
tell you what this inside. 
What this was about will tell 

2267
01:45:28,900 --> 01:45:31,700
you what this was about but I 
think there's a certain 

2268
01:45:31,700 --> 01:45:34,700
character that we haven't met 
yet who's gonna be like there's 

2269
01:45:34,700 --> 01:45:37,000
some value to paper. 
Someone who knows what the value

2270
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:40,500
of paper, is that paper is paper
might indeed, get you some eggs,

2271
01:45:40,500 --> 01:45:43,300
you some eggs or something? 
Yeah you give it to the right 

2272
01:45:43,300 --> 01:45:46,900
person but yeah seriously given 
the supposedly good guys are 

2273
01:45:46,900 --> 01:45:48,600
stealing food from people who 
are already poor. 

2274
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:50,900
That's not a great look but 
they're not keeping it for 

2275
01:45:50,900 --> 01:45:54,300
themselves entirely like they're
giving it to other poor people 

2276
01:45:54,300 --> 01:45:57,900
and Yeah. 
But they do get worse and worse 

2277
01:45:57,900 --> 01:46:01,300
than this regard they do start 
just looking more like brigands 

2278
01:46:01,300 --> 01:46:04,600
and less like helpers under 
Barrack they seem to do their 

2279
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:09,600
best note. 
How this one describes both 

2280
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,600
aspects of this? 
The giving and the taking here's

2281
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:14,900
another cool conversation. 
They were here, not a fortnight 

2282
01:46:14,900 --> 01:46:18,000
passed them and a dozen more 
driving sheep. 

2283
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:21,600
I could scarcely believe my 
eyes, Saros gave me three as 

2284
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,700
thanks. 
You eaten one tonight, Thoreau. 

2285
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,400
Those herding sheep and go ahead
laugh out loud. 

2286
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:30,800
I grant you it was an odd sight.
But Thor has claimed that as a 

2287
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,400
priest, he knew how to tend a 
flop. 

2288
01:46:33,700 --> 01:46:36,200
I insure them to juggle them and
yeah. 

2289
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:39,500
So cheering them to was like the
ones he took the chickens from 

2290
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:42,800
and gave a paper that's that 
attending a flock about Shear 

2291
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:43,200
them. 
Yeah. 

2292
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:47,300
So that's a really clever way to
summarize the situation, they're

2293
01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:49,000
in this conversation in our area
over here. 

2294
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,800
So I like that a lot to more 
excellent writing from George. 

2295
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,700
We never get sick of that. 
He never stops hitting us. 

2296
01:46:54,900 --> 01:46:56,500
Over the head with his 
Excellence. 

2297
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,800
We don't even always realize how
excellent it is when we discover

2298
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:01,600
it. 
Sometimes it takes us the 20th. 

2299
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:05,800
Time to realize some of the 
levels, the ghost of high heart.

2300
01:47:05,900 --> 01:47:09,500
OK, this is super interesting. 
Here, are you goes there twice 

2301
01:47:09,500 --> 01:47:13,400
with the Brotherhood but clearly
they've been there before they 

2302
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,400
know where she is. 
So they have experienced her and

2303
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,600
talk to her before Aria sees 
this. 

2304
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:22,100
So, thoreau's has been going 
there for a while, he realized 

2305
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:24,700
his powers don't work at her 
Grove, or maybe he knew that 

2306
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:28,300
Already either one way or the 
other, this is more magic 

2307
01:47:28,300 --> 01:47:31,500
verification than magic in the 
gods are real and to him, it 

2308
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:36,100
justifies or verifies Powers 
outside his own religion, which 

2309
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:39,600
I think is pretty important. 
He's seeing proof of other 

2310
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,800
Supernatural powers that have 
nothing to do with real. 

2311
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:44,700
Or even says that one point 
like, yeah, like the with their 

2312
01:47:44,700 --> 01:47:47,800
Woods whisper into her sleep at 
night, I don't know what he 

2313
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:50,500
doesn't his understand it, but 
he recognized clearly separate 

2314
01:47:50,500 --> 01:47:54,700
from real or And of course, he's
gotten plenty of proof by this 

2315
01:47:54,700 --> 01:47:56,000
point. 
He's resurrected Barrack many 

2316
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,000
times, his flame readings 
working better than the other 

2317
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:59,900
ever have. 
You may have heard stories from 

2318
01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:02,100
elsewhere heard rumors. 
They may not even be true, but 

2319
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:05,900
we know there are facts of 
Greater magic happening around 

2320
01:48:05,900 --> 01:48:09,400
the world. 
I want to say, apparently 

2321
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:11,600
separate from real or not 
clearly. 

2322
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,700
Okay. 
Yeah, we don't know if he would 

2323
01:48:13,700 --> 01:48:16,900
perceive it. 
That way, for example, the ghost

2324
01:48:16,900 --> 01:48:20,300
of high heart has more powerful 
prophetic Powers than thoreau's,

2325
01:48:20,300 --> 01:48:24,700
but he does have them. 
And that's evidence of this is, 

2326
01:48:24,700 --> 01:48:27,000
well, they keep going to her. 
If he was able to see all the 

2327
01:48:27,008 --> 01:48:28,800
things they needed to see. 
They would, why would they keep 

2328
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:30,000
talking around? 
They keep going to her for 

2329
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,600
information. 
Why would they travel all that 

2330
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,700
way to a place that's not super 
defensible either? 

2331
01:48:34,700 --> 01:48:36,900
It's the hill kind of standing 
alone by itself. 

2332
01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:39,900
It's looks almost dangerous to 
be there except it's a bit 

2333
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:42,200
remote, but it's similar in a 
sense. 

2334
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:45,000
The picture thoreau's, like 
trying to perceive a certain 

2335
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,900
person looking into the flame 
and looking for Barak. 

2336
01:48:47,900 --> 01:48:51,700
We're looking for Jamie are 
looking for someone Melisandre. 

2337
01:48:51,700 --> 01:48:54,000
We've seen. 
This firsthand when she's trying

2338
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:59,000
to find Stannis and the Lord of 
Light only shows her snow 

2339
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:02,300
capital S, right? 
That we come back to that she'll

2340
01:49:02,300 --> 01:49:05,000
your and interesting and 
intriguing moment got to figure 

2341
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:08,500
their same things with 
thoreau's, except that he's less

2342
01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:10,100
confident. 
What he sees he doesn't have her

2343
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:12,900
zealotry doesn't have her like 
confidence in what? 

2344
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:15,100
He's seeing. 
He's more likely to downplay it 

2345
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:18,300
or to take it with a grain of 
salt or to blame himself for 

2346
01:49:18,300 --> 01:49:20,000
misinterpreting where his 
Melisandre. 

2347
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,100
She sees it, she believes it, 
you know. 

2348
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:25,000
No, she admits she seen things 
wrong but usually that's an 

2349
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:28,200
after-the-fact thing. 
So he does later. 

2350
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:31,900
See the siege of riverrun, he 
tries to see it or he's rather 

2351
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:33,700
he tries to see River on and 
sees The Siege. 

2352
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,400
He tries to see it while he's 
near the coast a high heart and 

2353
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,600
indeed, it doesn't work which he
expected like. 

2354
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,400
Yeah, it's pretty not going to 
work here and she emphasizes 

2355
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:42,800
that. 
Yeah, look into your fires. 

2356
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,700
Pink priest, you'll see. 
But not here, it won't work 

2357
01:49:45,700 --> 01:49:47,800
here. 
So here's the quote. 

2358
01:49:47,900 --> 01:49:50,300
What he does? 
See when he finally gets a view,

2359
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:54,100
the Lord granted me a view of 
riverrun Island in a Sea of 

2360
01:49:54,100 --> 01:49:55,800
Fire. 
It seemed the Flames. 

2361
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,100
Were leaping lions with long, 
Crimson Claws and how they 

2362
01:49:59,100 --> 01:50:02,300
roared. 
Steve Lannisters Milady River 

2363
01:50:02,300 --> 01:50:04,300
Run. 
Will soon come under attack but 

2364
01:50:04,300 --> 01:50:05,200
it does. 
It does. 

2365
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:07,100
It does come under attack The 
Siege happens. 

2366
01:50:07,100 --> 01:50:10,500
Similar enough language to the 
way it's written a sea of 

2367
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:15,700
Lannisters island in the Sea of 
Fire similar verbiage similar 

2368
01:50:15,700 --> 01:50:18,000
style to How to go stuff. 
My heart sees thing, you know, a

2369
01:50:18,008 --> 01:50:21,900
serpent with purple fangs and 
her hair, whatever. 

2370
01:50:21,900 --> 01:50:24,800
The I don't have them written 
out here for me to quote, but 

2371
01:50:24,900 --> 01:50:28,800
similar language and he maybe 
isn't as good as mellor mokoro. 

2372
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,500
I'm not sure Nina points out. 
It's hard to say because we 

2373
01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:34,700
don't get enough time with him 
less of him. 

2374
01:50:34,700 --> 01:50:37,800
Giving Visions mean we've had 
more Visions from mokoro then 

2375
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,800
thoreau's, even though we've 
seen a lot less of McCory, it's 

2376
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:43,200
implied that Thoreau says had 
visions, that have worked out 

2377
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:46,000
for the Brotherhood that they be
used it to find each other. 

2378
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,900
Like, when, Catharsis separate 
that's happened. 

2379
01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:52,100
They show faith in his ability 
to do that even if it doesn't 

2380
01:50:52,100 --> 01:50:53,500
work always. 
So it's implied, it's work. 

2381
01:50:53,500 --> 01:50:56,700
But again that's tell us just 
how well it works. 

2382
01:50:56,700 --> 01:51:00,400
You know it's reminding me of 
vision of Winterfell. 

2383
01:51:00,700 --> 01:51:05,300
Ding oh yeah, totally a the sea 
rising or Walter fell. 

2384
01:51:05,500 --> 01:51:09,200
Yeah. 
It's yours of Winterfell high 

2385
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:15,300
tide at what I'm guessing, Soros
is not great with faces with 

2386
01:51:15,300 --> 01:51:18,400
looking at faces and Igniting 
people because Brienne when 

2387
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,700
Brienne sees Gendry, she's like 
Renly. 

2388
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:22,900
And then she's like, wait, okay.
You just look like her and and 

2389
01:51:22,900 --> 01:51:26,700
Ned when he sees gendry's like 
that, looks like Robert best 

2390
01:51:26,700 --> 01:51:29,600
friends with Robert but there's 
no hint that there has 

2391
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:31,900
recognized is Gendry is someone 
who looks like Robert, he's 

2392
01:51:31,900 --> 01:51:33,900
like, yeah, whatever you're 
here. 

2393
01:51:33,900 --> 01:51:36,900
You're a blacksmith care. 
Are you or are you that's true? 

2394
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:41,300
Is there any chance to thoreau's
recognizes or nose and just as 

2395
01:51:41,300 --> 01:51:44,200
not found it to be a thing, he 
needs to bring up or call him 

2396
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,300
out for question? 
Yes. 

2397
01:51:46,500 --> 01:51:48,800
You know there's a chance there 
is a chance like yeah my just 

2398
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:51,200
known intimately because Robert 
had talked to him about all 

2399
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:52,000
these bastards. 
Yeah. 

2400
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:55,500
He wanted is actually known 
about Gendry and so they might 

2401
01:51:55,500 --> 01:51:58,100
have a private conversations 
like Gendry might know that 

2402
01:51:58,100 --> 01:52:00,100
Soros know, I don't know. 
Yeah. 

2403
01:52:00,100 --> 01:52:01,800
I just thought interesting 
point. 

2404
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:04,500
Yeah, if we're not in his POV 
and his head for all we know 

2405
01:52:04,500 --> 01:52:08,300
he's like that's Roberts boy, 
but he's not about to say it 

2406
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:11,400
evidence for this potential 
comes from the fact that of all 

2407
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:13,600
the shops throws goes to buy his
swords. 

2408
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:15,800
At it, just happens to be the 
one we're Gendry works. 

2409
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:21,200
Yeah. 
Yeah, no that's on keeping tabs 

2410
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:25,400
on him but I don't know any for 
us and how much effort it throws

2411
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:27,500
put into getting injury to join 
them. 

2412
01:52:27,500 --> 01:52:31,300
You know. 
Like or at least not stopping 

2413
01:52:31,300 --> 01:52:34,300
other people like a he had 
probably on some level he could 

2414
01:52:34,300 --> 01:52:36,200
be looking out for him. 
Yeah interesting. 

2415
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:38,200
Yeah. 
So it's a good question we have 

2416
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:40,500
Robert's Rebellion but we also 
have Roberts resemblance. 

2417
01:52:40,500 --> 01:52:44,200
Ha ha ha. 
Next let's talk about examples 

2418
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:48,800
that I'm rebelling against that 
remark. 

2419
01:52:49,900 --> 01:52:51,700
Let's talk about the Battle 
except tree. 

2420
01:52:51,700 --> 01:52:54,300
This is one of the few examples 
of that we actually get to see 

2421
01:52:54,300 --> 01:52:56,900
most of a lot of what we see 
from throws is actually just 

2422
01:52:56,900 --> 01:53:00,400
told to us like, of course, the 
Greyjoy Rebellion, a lot of 

2423
01:53:00,407 --> 01:53:02,800
their other stuff. 
It's rating supply lines. 

2424
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:04,500
We don't actually see that. 
But we actually see through 

2425
01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:09,200
Arias point of view when they 
track down and kill a group of 

2426
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,100
the bloody Mummers. 
The brave companions, this is 

2427
01:53:12,100 --> 01:53:14,900
back when they really were about
Justice and doing good, for the 

2428
01:53:14,900 --> 01:53:17,300
people around because these 
people The bloody Mummers were 

2429
01:53:17,300 --> 01:53:20,400
just doing horrible things to 
the civilians, all around the 

2430
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:24,900
riverlands and they'd already 
suffered from Gregor and Amory 

2431
01:53:24,900 --> 01:53:27,400
lorch and well, hotz been a part
of it along. 

2432
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:31,100
So he's hot, they're hunting 
these criminals down because no 

2433
01:53:31,100 --> 01:53:36,400
one else will and our is 
watching and it starts off with 

2434
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:39,900
a few arrows and a little bit of
an ambush. 

2435
01:53:39,900 --> 01:53:43,000
And then the Warriors come 
charging out of the sap that 

2436
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:46,200
they had sacked. 
They were setting up at having 

2437
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,800
Fun with priest, torturing them 
and drinking their wine and 

2438
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,500
eating their food and the battle
breaks out. 

2439
01:53:52,500 --> 01:53:55,900
And here's what our area sees, 
ferocious and Lord Beric were 

2440
01:53:55,900 --> 01:53:58,900
everywhere. 
There's sword, swirling fire, 

2441
01:53:59,100 --> 01:54:03,100
the Red Priest hacked at a hide 
Shield, until it flew to Pieces.

2442
01:54:03,300 --> 01:54:06,300
While his horse. 
Kicked the man in the face. 

2443
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:09,900
That'll do it and his Battle Cry
starts its throws. 

2444
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:11,800
His Battle Cry. 
That gets them going again. 

2445
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:13,600
He's allowed guy, that's very 
useful. 

2446
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,200
As we've said, he's fighting 
with a flaming sword. 

2447
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,600
He definitely doesn't have 
Wildfire anymore at this point. 

2448
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:22,000
There's no way out in the woods.
He's got us, he's isn't even 

2449
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:23,900
have a razor. 
Didn't even have food. 

2450
01:54:23,900 --> 01:54:25,600
Where is he cared? 
Where is he getting Wildfire 

2451
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:26,600
from? 
There's no chance. 

2452
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:30,100
He has Wildfire anymore. 
So this is evidence that he can 

2453
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:31,800
do. 
The fire sword thing. 

2454
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:33,600
Do you have invite a sword on 
fire? 

2455
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:35,700
You think it was the horse of 
mirror? 

2456
01:54:37,700 --> 01:54:39,300
Erupts of mirin is horse of 
mirror. 

2457
01:54:39,300 --> 01:54:43,500
Yeah. 
After the battle. 

2458
01:54:43,500 --> 01:54:50,200
He goes to a brothel for Ha ha 
ha auro severe. 

2459
01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:55,200
He's got that magic. 
Now we can set a sword on fire, 

2460
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:57,800
so then they hang the survivors 
and give them a trial. 

2461
01:54:57,800 --> 01:54:59,000
And this is one of those times 
where it's like, yeah, the 

2462
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:01,600
trials, not going to go well for
them because they're members of 

2463
01:55:01,608 --> 01:55:03,700
the bloody Mummers. 
There are as employers the Lord 

2464
01:55:03,700 --> 01:55:06,500
of Light to roast their souls 
until the end of time. 

2465
01:55:06,500 --> 01:55:09,400
So it really doesn't have much 
sympathy for these guys, even 

2466
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,600
has sympathy for sand or a 
little bit, the little bit who, 

2467
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:15,200
and he hates the Lannisters and 
hates Gregor and sees them as so

2468
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:17,700
violent evil. 
But even his preside is like, 

2469
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:20,700
like got to see the good in him 
or at least got to see where the

2470
01:55:20,700 --> 01:55:23,400
source of fall his hatred and 
anger comes from. 

2471
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:25,700
But there's nothing. 
Not much hope for these guys so 

2472
01:55:25,700 --> 01:55:27,300
much over the bloody Mummers 
interesting Lee. 

2473
01:55:27,300 --> 01:55:30,900
One of the one of those who gets
hanged is a mirrors crossbow, 

2474
01:55:30,900 --> 01:55:33,700
man, and he's trying to speak in
broken English, broken common. 

2475
01:55:33,700 --> 01:55:37,200
Like I Soldier either thoris of 
mirror could have spoken to him 

2476
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:41,400
in his native dialect and just 
chose not to he's like nah we're

2477
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:44,600
hanging you and I'm not giving 
you the time of day here. 

2478
01:55:45,700 --> 01:55:49,300
Sandor at that trial reminds me 
a little bit of Jaime Lannister.

2479
01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:53,200
Like he doesn't feel the need to
justify himself to these people.

2480
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:54,800
Like you guys are a bunch of 
Hypocrites. 

2481
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,900
I don't need you kill me if you 
want, but I'm not going to 

2482
01:55:57,900 --> 01:55:59,700
explain myself to you. 
Yeah. 

2483
01:55:59,700 --> 01:56:01,900
Yeah. 
Which is our next topic. 

2484
01:56:01,900 --> 01:56:04,600
Here gets and, or getting 
captured remember, the way they 

2485
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:07,000
find sand or is dogs sniff him 
out. 

2486
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:10,200
And here we see store has a 
sense of humor, quote, betrayed 

2487
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,900
by his own kind, throw us turn 
to the prisoner and yanked his 

2488
01:56:12,900 --> 01:56:15,300
hood off. 
Welcome to our humble Hall, dog.

2489
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:17,700
It is not so Grand as Roberts 
throne room. 

2490
01:56:17,700 --> 01:56:20,800
But company is better Santa 
recognizes immediately and 

2491
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:23,000
that's when they have a 
conversation of about. 

2492
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,600
Yeah, I beat you. 
I overthrew you three times with

2493
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:30,000
my fire source and then things 
start to get heated Sandra calls

2494
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:34,800
them out, insults them a little 
bit and he says, this next line.

2495
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:37,600
Do you deny that house? 
Clegane was built upon dead 

2496
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,000
children. 
I saw them lay prince, aegon and

2497
01:56:40,008 --> 01:56:42,800
princess rhaenys before the Iron
Throne by rights. 

2498
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:45,700
Your arms should bear to bloody 
infants in places those Oh, ugly

2499
01:56:45,700 --> 01:56:47,700
dogs. 
Yeah, yikes. 

2500
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:51,600
Quite a quite a line are at 
sense of justice coming out, you

2501
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:54,400
know, but and thoros doesn't 
fully trust him. 

2502
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:56,500
He's like, before he hands him. 
His sword for the trial by 

2503
01:56:56,500 --> 01:56:58,400
combat. 
Make sure you hang guys. 

2504
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,200
Got an arrow pointed out. 
You two other guys have the 

2505
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:03,000
arrows point at UK. 
Now he has some sort and Barak 

2506
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,400
lights his sword for this. 
One Thor Barrack lights, his own

2507
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:07,200
sword with his drawers at across
his hand. 

2508
01:57:07,300 --> 01:57:10,900
The one time we actually see the
mechanics behind that. 

2509
01:57:11,900 --> 01:57:14,400
So this is where I want to like 
wrap up, not the whole episode. 

2510
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,800
We've got a little more to go, 
but just the power stuff. 

2511
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,700
What other powers does he have? 
We've seen the resurrection. 

2512
01:57:19,700 --> 01:57:21,900
So I was, you can do that. 
Although, as we've discussed 

2513
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:25,500
this limitations to it, or maybe
he just doesn't want to do it to

2514
01:57:25,500 --> 01:57:28,200
everyone, we don't know exactly 
flame reading clearly. 

2515
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:31,700
You can do that and his powers 
grown in that regard, but it's 

2516
01:57:31,700 --> 01:57:34,500
also limited fire swords. 
You can do that. 

2517
01:57:34,500 --> 01:57:36,300
Although it's not like he's 
lighting. 

2518
01:57:36,300 --> 01:57:38,700
Everyone swords on fire. 
It's just him and Barak doing 

2519
01:57:38,700 --> 01:57:40,000
his own. 
No Barracks gone. 

2520
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:44,300
So maybe it's just him. 
Does he have cold resistance 

2521
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:47,700
like Melisandre Melisandre? 
Go in the north has no trouble 

2522
01:57:47,700 --> 01:57:51,200
being in the snow and ice 
doesn't bother her a whit mokoro

2523
01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:54,300
sits in the sea for like two 
weeks just float in there, 

2524
01:57:54,700 --> 01:57:57,200
doesn't seem to need to eat. 
So we talked about the food 

2525
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,900
thing before you get pruney. 
Yeah. 

2526
01:57:59,900 --> 01:58:02,400
And does he have resistance to 
the elements? 

2527
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,100
Is that part of where he's 
developed? 

2528
01:58:04,300 --> 01:58:08,400
Maybe Melisandre has that 
because she's way older than she

2529
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,400
seems and that's affected her 
and she's just yeah, I mean was 

2530
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:13,200
meh. 
Lissandra out of the question, 

2531
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:16,100
like she's resistant to the cold
but like what we would? 

2532
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:19,300
She also just flourish and or I 
would she get would she have to 

2533
01:58:19,300 --> 01:58:21,400
deal with? 
Like what would you get sunburn?

2534
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:24,000
If she was out in the desert? 
And, you know, and the sun 

2535
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:25,400
beating down her. 
I don't think so. 

2536
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:26,700
I don't think she would get 
sunburned. 

2537
01:58:26,700 --> 01:58:28,400
So I think it's an element 
thing. 

2538
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:31,500
Not just resistance to the cold 
I guess is my point point, 

2539
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:33,900
people are jealous of her having
pale skin and never getting 

2540
01:58:33,900 --> 01:58:37,600
sunburned. 
Yeah, I think she would or I 

2541
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:41,400
wonder if maybe it's not a 
natural permanent automatic 

2542
01:58:41,800 --> 01:58:44,200
Maybe she's doing something to 
give herself. 

2543
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:46,900
Imperviousness to the cold. 
She's taking some certain potion

2544
01:58:46,900 --> 01:58:48,700
or something like that. 
Maybe if you knew, she would 

2545
01:58:48,700 --> 01:58:51,600
have to be prepared for prayers 
or whatever, what she calls. 

2546
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,700
Magic. 
But he calls a yeah, yeah. 

2547
01:58:53,700 --> 01:58:55,200
There's like, really, it's 
really interesting like, looking

2548
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:57,800
at her chapter and thinking to 
store us do this kind of thing 

2549
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:01,600
where he's just in pain and then
gazing into the flame and black 

2550
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:05,600
blood dripping from her like 
well, his name is looking good 

2551
01:59:05,700 --> 01:59:08,100
but he didn't commit himself to 
it. 

2552
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:10,900
He didn't have ambition. 
Like she does, he didn't study 

2553
01:59:10,900 --> 01:59:13,700
those certain Spells. 
Yes, kind of thing that you get 

2554
01:59:13,700 --> 01:59:16,800
to, after you've been doing it 
for 80 years, like, you have to,

2555
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,600
like, really practice got to be 
super into it and she he's just 

2556
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,100
only in his 40s, so he couldn't 
be to that stage yet. 

2557
01:59:22,100 --> 01:59:23,300
Yeah. 
There might be a. 

2558
01:59:23,300 --> 01:59:26,400
And also even into his 40s he 
hasn't spent it all at a temple,

2559
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:28,100
right? 
He went to another continent and

2560
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:31,000
kind of abandoned his faith. 
And, but if he had stayed at the

2561
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:33,700
temple for 20 more years, maybe 
he would have learned some of 

2562
01:59:33,700 --> 01:59:36,000
the stuff Melisandre. 
Yeah, I'm of Korra. 

2563
01:59:36,500 --> 01:59:39,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Absolutely totally, right? 

2564
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:41,400
Or maybe he could go back there 
now, and they would have new 

2565
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:43,300
things. 
Teach him because he's old 

2566
01:59:43,300 --> 01:59:45,000
enough. 
He's the master level or 

2567
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:46,600
what-have-you. 
Yeah, I mean we hear about these

2568
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:48,800
things in real world for other 
disciplines like they're things 

2569
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:51,200
that you have been doing it for 
30 years and you're still 

2570
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:53,100
learning, you're still getting 
banned and actively getting 

2571
01:59:53,100 --> 01:59:54,400
better at. 
It's not like you're still 

2572
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,500
trying but like the people who 
were doing a 30 years or better 

2573
01:59:56,500 --> 01:59:57,900
than people who didn't get for 
10 years, you know? 

2574
01:59:57,900 --> 02:00:01,300
Even though they're much older 
like archery or certain musical 

2575
02:00:01,300 --> 02:00:03,300
instruments are just lots of 
crafts. 

2576
02:00:03,300 --> 02:00:05,300
Lots of just a bajillion 
examples of that. 

2577
02:00:05,500 --> 02:00:09,600
So it fit with majesty and all 
is, he's not a lot of sense is 

2578
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:13,700
required, you know do doctors 
say Typically have Refreshers if

2579
02:00:13,700 --> 02:00:16,400
you will have to keep up-to-date
on new information. 

2580
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:18,400
Yeah. 
Well you're a lot of especially 

2581
02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:20,800
licensed professionals. 
Usually have some upkeep 

2582
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:25,600
stoneheart, things, get pretty 
severe and dark here, not just 

2583
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:28,000
for the general topic. 
But for thoreau's personally, 

2584
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:31,600
let's start with a quote, 
describing the first Rising, 

2585
02:00:32,300 --> 02:00:36,200
lady stoneheart, the phrase 
slashed, her throat from ear to 

2586
02:00:36,200 --> 02:00:38,500
ear. 
When we found her by the river, 

2587
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:43,600
she was three days, dead Harwin?
Me to give her the kiss of life,

2588
02:00:43,700 --> 02:00:46,700
but it had been too long, I 
would not do it. 

2589
02:00:46,700 --> 02:00:50,800
So Lord Beric, put his lips to 
hers instead and the flame of 

2590
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:57,000
Life passed from him to her. 
And she Rose may the Lord of 

2591
02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:01,200
Light protect us. 
She Rose super weird how like 

2592
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:03,200
this talking about before. 
Like, how do you do the kiss of 

2593
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:05,700
life? 
Well, he just naturally, like 

2594
02:01:05,700 --> 02:01:07,900
he'd received it enough times, 
he knew how to give it. 

2595
02:01:07,900 --> 02:01:09,800
I don't know how to fill his 
mouth with fire. 

2596
02:01:09,800 --> 02:01:11,400
Yeah and pass that on, It's 
Supernatural. 

2597
02:01:11,500 --> 02:01:15,200
Super interesting and curious. 
And and I guess maybe it's 

2598
02:01:15,200 --> 02:01:19,800
because she had been Barak, she 
had his flame or because she's a

2599
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:22,500
lady and they're all just 
westerosi and they follow the 

2600
02:01:22,700 --> 02:01:27,100
highest ranking person around. 
Either way, despite being dead 

2601
02:01:27,100 --> 02:01:29,500
like Barak was she outrank them 
and they followed her. 

2602
02:01:29,500 --> 02:01:31,600
I just how these things work 
Authority. 

2603
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:34,300
The way Authority Works in 
Westeros like picturing, like 

2604
02:01:34,300 --> 02:01:37,000
some people in the brotherhood 
like looking at each other. 

2605
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:41,100
Like we just we really following
because she can't speak too 

2606
02:01:41,100 --> 02:01:43,200
soon. 
Barely can really understand 

2607
02:01:43,500 --> 02:01:46,400
really good joke in our flag 
means death, where someone like 

2608
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:49,500
suggest the mute character to be
the like new captain. 

2609
02:01:49,700 --> 02:01:53,500
And someone goes, Jim doesn't, 
they don't speak, I'll call me 

2610
02:01:53,500 --> 02:01:56,900
like, if like if I'm wrong but I
think a good quality in a leader

2611
02:01:56,900 --> 02:02:00,600
is if they can speak any case, 
this pretty important to look 

2612
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:01,800
at. 
I can tell you some other way 

2613
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,800
how to do your job then fine. 
But yeah, it's the opposite of 

2614
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:07,200
having a big Battlefield voice 
is having no voice at all. 

2615
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:10,900
It makes it difficult so but 
that's important to bring up. 

2616
02:02:10,900 --> 02:02:12,700
That's that. 
They followed her because not 

2617
02:02:12,700 --> 02:02:14,300
everyone followed her. 
Some of them just left. 

2618
02:02:14,300 --> 02:02:16,600
I mean, not right away, but some
of them just as frittered off. 

2619
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:18,600
I'm like, yeah, I'm not about 
this anymore. 

2620
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:21,400
Yeah, I wouldn't be about that 
anymore, but Thoreau stayed. 

2621
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:24,400
So why I really want to know why
he stayed as he just seeing it 

2622
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:28,500
throws it because he cares if 
he's part of this, he pledged to

2623
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:30,800
be part of this group, you can't
leave the Brotherhood even 

2624
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:34,400
though they've fallen so far. 
I don't know, I don't know what,

2625
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:37,800
like, he could go elsewhere and 
do good, but he just, he's 

2626
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:40,100
committed, you know? 
I mean, there is something to be

2627
02:02:40,100 --> 02:02:44,200
said for. 
Through mystical power whether 

2628
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:46,800
you should or not. 
It makes sense to believe that 

2629
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:49,500
they're worthy. 
If someone has a true mystical 

2630
02:02:49,500 --> 02:02:52,800
power that maybe I should pay 
attention to them. 

2631
02:02:52,900 --> 02:02:55,000
You know, I mean in the real 
world people follow so it's 

2632
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:59,100
because I'm big biceps him. 
Like this is a better reason. 

2633
02:02:59,100 --> 02:03:02,500
Yeah I mean and he sees the hand
of real or here so he wouldn't 

2634
02:03:02,500 --> 02:03:06,100
leave the presence of the head 
of what's of real or guiding 

2635
02:03:06,100 --> 02:03:08,900
things. 
I guess if he devoutly believes 

2636
02:03:08,900 --> 02:03:11,400
that real or is steering events 
here and why would he go? 

2637
02:03:11,500 --> 02:03:14,800
Somewhere else, he would stay, 
where we're Lord's hand is where

2638
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:16,700
real or is flame is burning, 
right? 

2639
02:03:16,900 --> 02:03:19,500
So, and that sense, you can see 
it from a religious person's 

2640
02:03:19,500 --> 02:03:22,200
perspective is like, well, I'm 
miserable here, but this is 

2641
02:03:22,200 --> 02:03:25,600
where God wants me to be. 
So I'm doing it now, Barak, 

2642
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:27,200
probably wouldn't have hang 
Podrick. 

2643
02:03:28,500 --> 02:03:32,700
I don't think he's young, but 
stoneheart. 

2644
02:03:33,700 --> 02:03:38,200
Let's have a quotes, a boy. 
She said, again, have pity my 

2645
02:03:38,208 --> 02:03:41,500
lady Thoreau said, I do not 
doubt the kindness, and mercy, 

2646
02:03:41,500 --> 02:03:44,000
and forgiveness can still be 
found somewhere in these Seven 

2647
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,100
Kingdoms. 
That do not look for them here. 

2648
02:03:46,500 --> 02:03:48,000
This is the cave. 
Not a temple. 

2649
02:03:48,300 --> 02:03:51,400
When men must live like rats and
the dark beneath the Earth they 

2650
02:03:51,400 --> 02:03:53,900
soon. 
Run out of pity as they do have 

2651
02:03:53,900 --> 02:03:55,800
milk. 
And honey and Justice. 

2652
02:03:55,900 --> 02:04:01,100
Can that be found in caves? 
Justice, throw smiled. 

2653
02:04:01,100 --> 02:04:03,300
Wanly. 
I remember Justice had a 

2654
02:04:03,300 --> 02:04:06,100
pleasant taste Justice. 
Is what we were about when 

2655
02:04:06,100 --> 02:04:09,900
Barrack lettuce or so we told 
ourselves, we were kings men 

2656
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:13,200
nights and heroes but some 
nights are dark and full of 

2657
02:04:13,200 --> 02:04:16,300
Terror nights with AK, by the 
way up hon thoreau's. 

2658
02:04:16,300 --> 02:04:20,700
Fun, some nights are dark and 
full of Terror Milady or makes 

2659
02:04:20,700 --> 02:04:23,300
Monsters of us. 
All are you saying you are 

2660
02:04:23,300 --> 02:04:26,700
monsters? 
I'm saying we are human, you're 

2661
02:04:26,700 --> 02:04:28,100
not the only one with wounds 
lady. 

2662
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:31,200
Bring in so, my brothers were 
good men when this began 

2663
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:34,700
somewhere less good? 
Shall we say though? 

2664
02:04:35,100 --> 02:04:38,200
There are those who say it does 
not matter how a man begins but 

2665
02:04:38,300 --> 02:04:41,700
only how he ends, suppose it 
could be the same for women. 

2666
02:04:42,100 --> 02:04:43,800
So Barak seems to have become 
his best friend. 

2667
02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:45,400
So he lost him and Robert 
before. 

2668
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:47,700
So those are two of his many 
wounds of people. 

2669
02:04:47,700 --> 02:04:49,700
He lost not to mention the 20 
men. 

2670
02:04:49,700 --> 02:04:51,500
He brought. 
Most of them are probably dead. 

2671
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:54,100
Some of his lack of pity. 
Here is his hate of the 

2672
02:04:54,100 --> 02:04:55,700
Lannisters though. 
Like, this isn't all. 

2673
02:04:55,700 --> 02:04:58,100
Just yeah. 
This is how it is now. 

2674
02:04:58,700 --> 02:05:01,900
But this is Podrick and Brienne 
decked out in Lannister. 

2675
02:05:01,900 --> 02:05:05,700
Gear and sir, I'll hunt a 
Bannerman of house tarly, who is

2676
02:05:05,900 --> 02:05:09,100
allied with the Lannisters, the 
specific part of the quote, 

2677
02:05:09,100 --> 02:05:12,100
that's really significant to me 
is when he says it does not 

2678
02:05:12,100 --> 02:05:15,700
matter how a man begins, but 
only how he ends, right? 

2679
02:05:15,900 --> 02:05:17,400
He's projecting a little 
protecting. 

2680
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:20,200
There's a lot of levels there 
because I guess I think about 

2681
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:23,600
one Catlin like he was a good 
character but how is her ends 

2682
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:26,100
that more important than all? 
The good she did over time. 

2683
02:05:26,100 --> 02:05:27,300
That's why I think about 
Thoreau. 

2684
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:31,200
Yeah, I think of course of Berea
and who is one of the most good 

2685
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:34,400
characters and who could be 
sullied by the end of the books 

2686
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:36,900
in a certain way? 
It's just it's a really good 

2687
02:05:36,900 --> 02:05:39,700
line that those that one 
sentence has a very good to me. 

2688
02:05:39,800 --> 02:05:43,700
Yeah, this is such a amazing 
conversation between the two 

2689
02:05:43,700 --> 02:05:46,900
because he's also saying look 
even Brienne whose great and 

2690
02:05:46,900 --> 02:05:50,200
understands the suffering and 
the like has pity and empathy. 

2691
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:52,500
She doesn't get how bad it can 
be. 

2692
02:05:52,500 --> 02:05:55,200
Even she sees some of these 
things through a bit of a lens 

2693
02:05:55,200 --> 02:05:58,000
of privilege even though she's 
excluded from so much even 

2694
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:00,900
though She's not allowed to be 
night even though she's a woman 

2695
02:06:00,900 --> 02:06:03,400
in a man's world, she still 
comes from a wealthy family, she

2696
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:07,100
still has money. 
And means, whereas thoris is 

2697
02:06:07,100 --> 02:06:10,700
like the way he describes just 
as she acts, like justice is a, 

2698
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:13,400
should always happen. 
No matter what endorsed like, 

2699
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:17,400
look at a certain point, just 
even Justice is a luxury when 

2700
02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:20,500
you have so little. 
Do you think cavemen back in the

2701
02:06:20,508 --> 02:06:24,800
day had blood justice for all 
the ills and we don't have 

2702
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:26,100
Justice. 
Now, plenty of think people get 

2703
02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:28,000
away with stuff all the time, 
Justice. 

2704
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:30,900
Is done, but it's also not done 
sometimes. 

2705
02:06:30,900 --> 02:06:33,500
So how's it going to be found in
caves? 

2706
02:06:33,500 --> 02:06:34,500
Right? 
Like how is it going to be 

2707
02:06:34,508 --> 02:06:36,800
people who are barely eating 
barely surviving. 

2708
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:39,000
Barely all their friends have 
been killed. 

2709
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:42,000
They're constantly worried about
whether their survive another 

2710
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:45,300
day. 
They have very little hope for 

2711
02:06:45,300 --> 02:06:48,100
anything in the future right 
now. 

2712
02:06:48,100 --> 02:06:51,100
Like they have very little 
optimism for their life ever 

2713
02:06:51,100 --> 02:06:53,900
being good. 
Again, even someone who wants 

2714
02:06:53,900 --> 02:06:57,100
Justice, like, it doesn't matter
if you have Justice, if you 

2715
02:06:57,100 --> 02:06:58,000
starve to death. 
Yeah. 

2716
02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:01,100
The nature of Justice or 
morality, you might shift when 

2717
02:07:01,100 --> 02:07:04,100
there are less resources. 
Okay, if it makes sense. 

2718
02:07:04,200 --> 02:07:09,000
Some heroic Martyrs might starve
to death rather than steal food,

2719
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:11,700
but it makes sense to me to 
steal food, not starve to death 

2720
02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:14,300
in and pay the food back later. 
That's a better sort of Justice,

2721
02:07:14,300 --> 02:07:16,100
you know? 
And that's what that fits with 

2722
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:18,300
what Thoreau said about, it 
matters, how you n, not how you 

2723
02:07:18,300 --> 02:07:20,600
became like you began with 
stealing food, but you end by 

2724
02:07:20,600 --> 02:07:23,900
giving it back and repaying it 
tenfold or helping other people 

2725
02:07:23,900 --> 02:07:25,800
who need it. 
I think most people would be 

2726
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:29,100
okay with that. 
If not Than okay with it, like 

2727
02:07:29,100 --> 02:07:30,800
praise that, given the 
circumstances. 

2728
02:07:31,400 --> 02:07:34,600
So you really wonder what he 
thinks of stoneheart. 

2729
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:37,800
Like he's staying with this 
person that he thinks is ended 

2730
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:41,900
may be ending Darkly or is 
leading them down a darker path.

2731
02:07:42,100 --> 02:07:45,000
Taking them away from things, 
like justice towards things, 

2732
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:47,800
like Revenge, what's his view of
this? 

2733
02:07:47,800 --> 02:07:50,200
It's all part of God's plan. 
Is that his attitude? 

2734
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:51,800
Or does he have hope for the 
future? 

2735
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:54,100
Does he have optimism? 
Maybe, they can turn around. 

2736
02:07:54,500 --> 02:07:56,300
I really do. 
I think it said he thinks it was

2737
02:07:56,300 --> 02:07:57,600
rulers. 
Well, yeah. 

2738
02:07:57,600 --> 02:08:00,700
He has to Follow along with with
her as a leader. 

2739
02:08:01,400 --> 02:08:05,500
You also might have not not 
fully realized or processed 

2740
02:08:05,500 --> 02:08:07,700
what's going on like he might 
have started with this 

2741
02:08:07,700 --> 02:08:10,500
assumption it she's a new 
leader, she'll lead us to dress 

2742
02:08:10,500 --> 02:08:14,100
this just like Barrack and he's 
like doesn't seem just that 

2743
02:08:14,100 --> 02:08:16,800
doesn't seem right maybe I don't
know maybe he's about to leave 

2744
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:19,400
next week, you know? 
Yeah I understand I can maybe he

2745
02:08:19,400 --> 02:08:20,500
understands some of what you 
want. 

2746
02:08:20,500 --> 02:08:24,100
Maybe he feels like if she finds
Aria or kills enough Lannisters 

2747
02:08:24,100 --> 02:08:26,800
and phrase that she'll start to 
do other things. 

2748
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:30,600
She'll move on to Noble. 
Or tasks or maybe maybe he sees 

2749
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:34,200
it as well, we had Barrack for 
leader for a while that flame 

2750
02:08:34,200 --> 02:08:37,000
pass to another dead person. 
It'll eventually pass to someone

2751
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:39,400
else, I won't be stoneheart. 
Yeah, somebody else. 

2752
02:08:39,900 --> 02:08:42,100
And maybe this is another 
parallel George, the drawing to 

2753
02:08:42,100 --> 02:08:47,000
like Stannis and Melisandre. 
Like, how much will throw us put

2754
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:49,300
up with, from Lady stoneheart? 
How much will stand us? 

2755
02:08:49,300 --> 02:08:51,400
Put up with from lso muscle 
1919? 

2756
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:53,200
He's are doing person. 
Yeah. 

2757
02:08:53,500 --> 02:08:55,400
Yeah, there you go. 
That's a good call to. 

2758
02:08:55,400 --> 02:08:56,800
Yeah. 
That is really good. 

2759
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:59,500
I like your idea to do because 
it's Reverses it like the Red 

2760
02:08:59,500 --> 02:09:02,000
Priest is the one that's realize
they have done the wrong thing 

2761
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:04,500
there with the wrong person 
rather than the king with the 

2762
02:09:04,500 --> 02:09:05,800
Red. 
Praetor Queen with the red for 

2763
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:08,900
lady stoneheart. 
Here's another quote from him 

2764
02:09:09,300 --> 02:09:13,400
about this scenario. 
Here minding comes and goes and 

2765
02:09:13,400 --> 02:09:16,500
then it sea no more. 
So too with men or Barracks. 

2766
02:09:16,500 --> 02:09:20,600
Fire has gone out this world, I 
fear a Grimmer Shadow leads us 

2767
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:22,800
in his place. 
It's kind of neat that Don Dairy

2768
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:26,000
is the lightning Lord when we 
have the Lord of Light and then 

2769
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:29,600
we have law. 
A fire has gone out. 

2770
02:09:30,100 --> 02:09:32,000
Etc. 
So he thought thought thought 

2771
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:34,200
was fitting lightning comes and 
goes and a scene. 

2772
02:09:34,200 --> 02:09:37,600
No more a grammar. 
Shadow leads us in his place so 

2773
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:40,100
she obviously obviously that's 
pretty accurate. 

2774
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:43,800
She's pretty Grim Shadow and the
Brotherhood without banners is 

2775
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:46,800
surely given that they only 
operate in the riverlands and 

2776
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,000
maybe the Northern parts of the 
reach and maybe a little bit and

2777
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:51,800
the crown has mostly they're 
stomping grounds is the 

2778
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:54,300
riverlands. 
They have to be aware of the 

2779
02:09:54,300 --> 02:09:58,700
giant wolf pack roaming around 
led by a Dire Wolf, like 

2780
02:09:58,700 --> 02:10:00,000
everyone seems to have heard 
about it. 

2781
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,900
That's in the area. 
Surely, they know a thing or two

2782
02:10:01,900 --> 02:10:03,600
about your leaving. 
Countered it, maybe not 

2783
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:07,100
directly, but you wonder what 
the deal with that is and what 

2784
02:10:07,100 --> 02:10:11,700
he thinks of that, especially 
because stone hearts looking for

2785
02:10:11,700 --> 02:10:14,500
Aria thoreau's. 
Had are they had already for a 

2786
02:10:14,508 --> 02:10:17,300
while until she got away. 
So they've talked about that 

2787
02:10:17,500 --> 02:10:19,600
throws knows that she wants her 
daughter back. 

2788
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:23,100
And who knows what conversations
have happened behind the scenes 

2789
02:10:23,100 --> 02:10:25,500
on that conversations would be 
very difficult with lady 

2790
02:10:25,500 --> 02:10:28,300
stoneheart with her. 
Barely able to talk and all 

2791
02:10:28,900 --> 02:10:31,200
picture. 
That just hear her sitting there

2792
02:10:31,200 --> 02:10:35,000
with her Cal and her barely 
Audible Voice just like 

2793
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:38,300
scratching out questions for him
about Aria and him being like, 

2794
02:10:38,300 --> 02:10:40,900
yeah, we had her. 
We were trying to take her to 

2795
02:10:40,900 --> 02:10:43,900
you. 
We were born. 

2796
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:47,800
I was saying. 
But of course, they're still 

2797
02:10:48,100 --> 02:10:53,700
there still rating and Romping 
around and we're jumping back a 

2798
02:10:53,700 --> 02:10:56,200
little for this quote, just to 
remind ourselves of what he had 

2799
02:10:56,200 --> 02:10:58,800
looked like and what he looks 
like. 

2800
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:01,000
Now this is from Arias point of 
view. 

2801
02:11:01,100 --> 02:11:03,600
She had seen him before and is 
just surprised at what he looks 

2802
02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:05,100
like after being in the 
wilderness for so long. 

2803
02:11:05,500 --> 02:11:08,800
He pointed toward the fire or 
Tom seven strings. 

2804
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:13,700
Stood talking to a tall thin man
with oddments of old armor 

2805
02:11:13,700 --> 02:11:16,700
buckled. 
On over his ratty pink robes 

2806
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:18,800
that can't be thorough. 
So of mere. 

2807
02:11:19,100 --> 02:11:21,600
Are you remember? 
The Red Priest is fat with a 

2808
02:11:21,608 --> 02:11:24,500
smooth face and a shiny bald 
head. 

2809
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:30,200
This man had a droopy face and a
full head of Shaggy gray hair. 

2810
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:33,700
It would have been funny to see 
older thoreau's or our prior 

2811
02:11:33,700 --> 02:11:35,600
Thoreau standing next to virus. 
They would have been less. 

2812
02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:39,000
Like be like no hair at all. 
Yeah. 

2813
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:45,100
Robes. 
We're purple. 

2814
02:11:45,100 --> 02:11:46,400
Robes and red. 
Robes. 

2815
02:11:46,900 --> 02:11:49,700
And the shorter one when they're
really tall wants to eat KitKat.

2816
02:11:49,900 --> 02:11:54,200
It's just, it's been scared, a 
hairless cat. 

2817
02:11:54,500 --> 02:11:57,700
Yeah, so he goes from fat with 
tall thin, man. 

2818
02:11:57,700 --> 02:11:59,700
So he's thin now. 
He's not just lost weight but 

2819
02:11:59,700 --> 02:12:02,300
he's thin. 
So very, very different. 

2820
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:05,800
And he goes from not hit from no
hair at all, to lots of hair, 

2821
02:12:06,300 --> 02:12:08,600
Sabri end seeing a similar thing
when she sees him. 

2822
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:10,700
But she didn't really have a 
prior version of him to compare.

2823
02:12:10,700 --> 02:12:12,600
She'd only heard about him. 
I don't know that she had seen 

2824
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:15,500
him much at all or even ever. 
So this isn't all that Stacks 

2825
02:12:15,500 --> 02:12:16,500
up. 
Pretty interesting lie. 

2826
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:21,200
And we know that after our he 
got away Snatched by sand or 

2827
02:12:21,500 --> 02:12:25,600
they tracked them, as far as the
fairy, the fairy that's and or 

2828
02:12:25,600 --> 02:12:27,600
ripped off. 
And then they were unable to 

2829
02:12:27,900 --> 02:12:31,400
pursue them any farther, which 
kind of worked out for them 

2830
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:33,700
because going to riverrun 
wouldn't have been great going 

2831
02:12:33,700 --> 02:12:34,300
to. 
The twins. 

2832
02:12:34,300 --> 02:12:35,900
Would have been really bad 
because that's where the Red 

2833
02:12:35,900 --> 02:12:38,200
Wedding was are in Sandra. 
Barely got away going there. 

2834
02:12:38,200 --> 02:12:40,400
So brave companion are the 
Brotherhood that banners 

2835
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:43,300
wouldn't want to go show up 
there where the we're all that 

2836
02:12:43,300 --> 02:12:45,300
was going down. 
I just want to point out this is

2837
02:12:45,500 --> 02:12:48,800
not directly related to 
thoreau's, but when Jamie had 

2838
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:52,900
Brienne on his side, I'd like 
sneaking through the woods, they

2839
02:12:52,900 --> 02:12:56,400
evaded capture for a time until 
he attacked her and they got 

2840
02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:59,100
caught because they were dueling
in the woods and everybody 

2841
02:12:59,100 --> 02:13:01,000
noticed that people who are out 
there. 

2842
02:13:01,300 --> 02:13:03,500
But when the Brotherhood without
banners had Brienne on their 

2843
02:13:03,500 --> 02:13:08,100
side, they captured gamey using 
her to help. 

2844
02:13:08,100 --> 02:13:10,200
So yeah. 
Jamie should just pay attention 

2845
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:14,000
to that. 
Let's talk about what's next. 

2846
02:13:14,100 --> 02:13:18,000
We saw the in that the brave 
companion showed up that Brienne

2847
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:21,500
had her no chance, no choice. 
Moment, the Brotherhood had 

2848
02:13:21,500 --> 02:13:23,300
already. 
Well, infiltrated that that was 

2849
02:13:23,300 --> 02:13:24,700
one of their bases of 
operations. 

2850
02:13:24,700 --> 02:13:26,500
So that was part of why they 
were all over that. 

2851
02:13:26,500 --> 02:13:30,000
When Brienne was wounded, they 
were able to easily capture her 

2852
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:33,700
and take her away. 
Here's what Sorrows thinks 

2853
02:13:33,700 --> 02:13:36,400
about. 
What's next direct from his 

2854
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:39,300
mouth. 
We were kings men when we began 

2855
02:13:39,500 --> 02:13:43,100
man told her but King's Men Must
Have a kink and we have none. 

2856
02:13:43,200 --> 02:13:45,800
We were brothers soon but now 
our Brotherhood is broken. 

2857
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:48,600
I do not know who we are. 
If truth be told Nora where we 

2858
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:51,500
might be going. 
I only know, the road is dark 

2859
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:56,000
fires, had not shown me what 
lies at its end, he has no idea 

2860
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,000
where it's going. 
He knows he's on the road, he's 

2861
02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:59,800
on it yet. 
Saul he thinks is, I'm on the 

2862
02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:02,500
road, and the fires aren't 
bright enough to show me where 

2863
02:14:02,500 --> 02:14:05,100
it's going, but he knows he's 
going to stay on that path. 

2864
02:14:05,100 --> 02:14:07,400
He doesn't seem to have any 
indication. 

2865
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:10,000
He's going to leave the path. 
He doesn't give us any clue 

2866
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:14,500
directly to this point. 
He's really been a Survivor, he 

2867
02:14:14,500 --> 02:14:18,000
survived a pike, he survived the
Ambush where two-thirds of the 

2868
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:21,600
men were killed even though he's
of the most visible people on 

2869
02:14:21,608 --> 02:14:24,200
the battlefield. 
No one could take him down, he 

2870
02:14:24,200 --> 02:14:26,400
survived countless skirmishes 
and battles amongst the 

2871
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:29,500
Brotherhood without banners one 
that we saw 4chan through Aria 

2872
02:14:29,500 --> 02:14:30,800
with at the Battle of the 
century. 

2873
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:34,300
The burning step tree has been 
so many others, he continues to 

2874
02:14:34,300 --> 02:14:37,100
lead from the front, we can 
guess and to arrange things. 

2875
02:14:37,100 --> 02:14:41,900
So this may not that his faith 
isn't as big as it's ever been. 

2876
02:14:41,900 --> 02:14:47,200
Given the proof of magic and old
Powers Awakening and him 

2877
02:14:47,200 --> 02:14:49,300
believing he's on the path floor
set for him. 

2878
02:14:49,800 --> 02:14:51,500
Well surviving all these 
battles. 

2879
02:14:51,500 --> 02:14:54,500
Probably makes him feel like 
that to he's like well the Lord 

2880
02:14:54,500 --> 02:14:56,800
of Light isn't done with Barrack
or the or light isn't done with 

2881
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:58,400
lady stoneheart. 
Well the Lord of Light isn't 

2882
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:01,700
done with you either thoreau's 
clearly you keep surviving. 

2883
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:03,900
Keep getting out of these things
where almost everybody else 

2884
02:15:03,900 --> 02:15:07,900
dies. 
So yeah that's got to be 

2885
02:15:07,900 --> 02:15:11,300
boosting his faith a little bit.
You guys brought up maybe. 

2886
02:15:11,300 --> 02:15:13,000
Yeah maybe he'll just leave 
stoneheart. 

2887
02:15:13,200 --> 02:15:16,700
He seems to be pretty committed 
but there are hints that he may 

2888
02:15:16,700 --> 02:15:19,500
be leaching. 
His end of his Road. 

2889
02:15:19,700 --> 02:15:24,100
Road or the end of his Wick is 
he was a fire metaphor. 

2890
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:26,900
He's an outlaw but yeah, things 
keep getting worse. 

2891
02:15:26,900 --> 02:15:28,400
Does he really want to be that 
way? 

2892
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:32,300
I mean what if the Lannisters 
are overthrown he has a shot to 

2893
02:15:32,300 --> 02:15:34,700
not be an outlaw anymore. 
He's an out, he's an outlaw to 

2894
02:15:34,700 --> 02:15:40,500
them but if like someone from a 
different family sits the throne

2895
02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:43,500
he might be to get a pardon 
right? 

2896
02:15:43,500 --> 02:15:47,600
That could change things. 
What if Blackfish joins the 

2897
02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:49,600
Brotherhood, what if they, he 
joins the mix? 

2898
02:15:49,700 --> 02:15:51,700
All of a sudden, they have 
another really capable leader in

2899
02:15:51,700 --> 02:15:52,700
there. 
That might encourage him to 

2900
02:15:52,700 --> 02:15:54,700
stay. 
I don't think he's quite as 

2901
02:15:54,700 --> 02:15:57,400
motivated by a whether or not 
someone pardons him. 

2902
02:15:57,400 --> 02:15:59,200
Okay. 
I would get along the same line 

2903
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:00,900
might be for the rest of his 
brother, he might care about 

2904
02:16:00,900 --> 02:16:02,300
that for them. 
Yeah. 

2905
02:16:02,300 --> 02:16:06,400
Maybe it's maybe not like the 
caves anymore, not any kind of 

2906
02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:10,000
consideration or factor but I 
think he is more fundamentally 

2907
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:14,400
worried about some combination 
of quote, the right thing and 

2908
02:16:14,500 --> 02:16:17,300
what we're Laura wants, okay? 
And, and even think about like 

2909
02:16:17,300 --> 02:16:19,500
Blackfish showing up if 
Blackfish. 

2910
02:16:19,700 --> 02:16:23,000
Showed up, would he want to join
their ranks if there were just 

2911
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:25,400
let indiscriminately murder 
people and stealing food all 

2912
02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:28,300
these other negative things. 
I mean, this cat is nice Catlin,

2913
02:16:28,300 --> 02:16:30,100
but she's Undead. 
And, yeah, so it's like, it's 

2914
02:16:30,100 --> 02:16:30,900
really tough question. 
Yeah. 

2915
02:16:30,900 --> 02:16:32,299
Like we don't have a good answer
there. 

2916
02:16:32,299 --> 02:16:34,500
So, throwing throws in the mix 
of that just makes it even more 

2917
02:16:34,500 --> 02:16:37,400
confusing handling. 
Well, he might make her want to 

2918
02:16:37,407 --> 02:16:39,900
join, or he might want to go 
with black fish instead if she's

2919
02:16:39,900 --> 02:16:43,400
he's doing stuff or yeah, like, 
he doesn't want his people to 

2920
02:16:43,400 --> 02:16:45,100
suffer. 
He doesn't want them to how he 

2921
02:16:45,100 --> 02:16:47,400
wants them to have a way out. 
I think he wants their broken 

2922
02:16:47,400 --> 02:16:50,900
men that are stuck and He's 
himself, says he doesn't see the

2923
02:16:50,900 --> 02:16:53,000
road ahead. 
Well, maybe the road ahead will 

2924
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:54,799
come visit. 
Maybe he finds out what's going 

2925
02:16:54,799 --> 02:16:56,700
on in the north and that gives 
him purpose. 

2926
02:16:56,700 --> 02:17:00,900
He's like, oh, great battle in 
the north, you say the spirits 

2927
02:17:00,900 --> 02:17:04,299
of darkness and cold that maybe 
that's where I should be. 

2928
02:17:04,799 --> 02:17:07,500
You know, I went to think it ran
is going to give him purpose. 

2929
02:17:07,500 --> 02:17:10,400
That would be nice and Brienne 
still, there may be Brie end 

2930
02:17:10,400 --> 02:17:12,100
showing him. 
Something like maybe the way the

2931
02:17:12,100 --> 02:17:14,100
Brienne Jamie situation 
resolved. 

2932
02:17:14,100 --> 02:17:15,900
A stone. 
Maybe maybe that changes throws 

2933
02:17:15,900 --> 02:17:20,299
his mind. 
Here's a clue that he's the 

2934
02:17:20,299 --> 02:17:23,000
things are even worse than even,
he thought he just he's tells 

2935
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:25,299
Jamie or he tells Brian, all 
those things about how Justice 

2936
02:17:25,299 --> 02:17:28,100
is gone, how it would be nice to
have that? 

2937
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:32,799
We don't even it's a luxury Etc.
After that, this moment happens 

2938
02:17:32,900 --> 02:17:35,600
after that, it's really 
important to get your order of 

2939
02:17:35,608 --> 02:17:38,400
effects here because he's he's 
talked about how far down 

2940
02:17:38,400 --> 02:17:41,400
they've gone. 
But apparently, even he is 

2941
02:17:41,400 --> 02:17:44,400
shocked at how far they really 
have gone down this Rabbit Hole 

2942
02:17:44,400 --> 02:17:47,900
of Darkness, quote, or Respect 
his breath. 

2943
02:17:47,900 --> 02:17:51,200
In dismay this? 
True, a dead man's home. 

2944
02:17:51,400 --> 02:17:54,700
Have we Fallen that low? 
The big man scowled at him. 

2945
02:17:54,799 --> 02:17:57,900
It's good steel. 
There's nothing good about that.

2946
02:17:57,900 --> 02:18:00,400
Hell, nor the men who wore it 
said, the Red Priest. 

2947
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:02,700
Sandor. 
Clegane was a man in torment and

2948
02:18:02,700 --> 02:18:05,500
words of beasts in human skin. 
I'm not them. 

2949
02:18:06,200 --> 02:18:08,000
Then why show the world? 
Their face? 

2950
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:12,500
Savage snarling Twisted, Zach 
who you would be Lim beside of 

2951
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:15,500
it will make my foes afraid. 
Side of it. 

2952
02:18:15,508 --> 02:18:19,000
Makes me afraid and nothing 
makes thoreau's afraid. 

2953
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:20,900
We know that there is is 
fearless and lamb should know 

2954
02:18:20,900 --> 02:18:24,200
that, so it means a lot lamb, 
just kind of snarkily as well. 

2955
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:26,299
Then they'll look, you know, 
like it's not a very good 

2956
02:18:26,299 --> 02:18:28,400
answer. 
It's not really a resolution 

2957
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:31,900
there. 
The point is, this is like why 

2958
02:18:31,900 --> 02:18:35,600
you're wearing the like the flag
of the Brave Companions and 

2959
02:18:35,600 --> 02:18:37,600
sandor Clegane. 
It's evil. 

2960
02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:40,400
Is that the next line Lim says 
don't look. 

2961
02:18:40,400 --> 02:18:41,000
Yeah. 
Right? 

2962
02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:42,500
Yeah, yeah. 
Because that's so telling 

2963
02:18:42,500 --> 02:18:45,700
because it's not so much he's 
afraid like Oh my God, here 

2964
02:18:45,700 --> 02:18:49,000
dangerous worthy might kill me, 
it's more like, oh my God, look 

2965
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:51,900
at what we've become become as 
bad as braces. 

2966
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:53,900
Don't look here. 
Don't think about what we 

2967
02:18:53,900 --> 02:18:55,100
become. 
I'm not working. 

2968
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:58,000
You know? 
Like a, it is an example of 

2969
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:59,600
becoming what you're fighting 
against. 

2970
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:01,299
Yeah. 
It's also a Lannister. 

2971
02:19:01,299 --> 02:19:03,000
Hell neighing. 
It's not, he hates the 

2972
02:19:03,008 --> 02:19:04,900
Lannisters. 
Was that to, it's like a double 

2973
02:19:04,900 --> 02:19:06,299
him. 
He's like Cheese's. 

2974
02:19:06,299 --> 02:19:10,100
Like I'm on the side of, I'm 
part of this, like hoof. 

2975
02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:11,600
Like he tries to not make it 
about himself. 

2976
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:14,000
He tries. 
That's what like ideally he's 

2977
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:16,900
making it about the Group. 
He's making about the lowborn 

2978
02:19:16,900 --> 02:19:20,700
people, the commoners just 
Justice goals ideals, not 

2979
02:19:20,700 --> 02:19:23,000
personal stuff. 
But this, this is personal for 

2980
02:19:23,008 --> 02:19:26,100
him as well as violating their 
ideals and these things. 

2981
02:19:26,299 --> 02:19:28,600
So that's really bad. 
Like, he's like lemon lens, 

2982
02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:30,600
answer sucks. 
He's like, yeah, who cares? 

2983
02:19:30,600 --> 02:19:33,799
You know, and lamb has a lot of 
hate in him to the Lannisters 

2984
02:19:33,799 --> 02:19:37,299
killed, his wife, and kids. 
So like, and he's been living 

2985
02:19:37,299 --> 02:19:38,799
like this to, and he doesn't 
have thoros. 

2986
02:19:38,799 --> 02:19:41,700
His faith background to, like 
maybe boost him up. 

2987
02:19:41,700 --> 02:19:43,900
We'll give him a different 
Outlook to give him a different 

2988
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:45,799
attitude. 
Something to hold onto. 

2989
02:19:45,799 --> 02:19:47,600
He throws, has some meaning 
still in his life. 

2990
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:51,200
Something to cling to and where 
guys, like lamb it kind of all 

2991
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:52,600
about revenge. 
They're kind of all about the 

2992
02:19:52,600 --> 02:19:54,600
same thing. 
Stone hearts about their dark. 

2993
02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:56,600
So yeah. 
Well, he go North to Winterfell 

2994
02:19:56,600 --> 02:19:59,100
and or the wall, you figure, if 
he goes to one, will go to the 

2995
02:19:59,100 --> 02:20:02,500
other unless he dies at one. 
I mean, Maybe not, maybe the 

2996
02:20:02,500 --> 02:20:04,700
won't be there by the time he 
gets the winner of else that 

2997
02:20:04,700 --> 02:20:07,200
would be a possibility and again
Melisandre. 

2998
02:20:07,900 --> 02:20:11,000
So many things could happen that
is just a series of great apes 

2999
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:12,100
waiting to happen. 
If they were able to have 

3000
02:20:12,100 --> 02:20:15,700
conversations, I would man. 
It would be amazing. 

3001
02:20:15,700 --> 02:20:17,600
I have no idea what George could
have in store for us there. 

3002
02:20:17,900 --> 02:20:20,800
But wow, I buy that book and 
read it who you know what me to 

3003
02:20:21,100 --> 02:20:24,000
more than once because it's such
a different Journey but it might

3004
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:26,300
end them in the same place in 
terms of location where they 

3005
02:20:26,300 --> 02:20:29,800
could maybe rub off on each 
other a little bit. 

3006
02:20:29,800 --> 02:20:32,500
You know, therosis more devout 
than he's ever been. 

3007
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:36,800
He knows what's at stake that 
don't like Plex Arena. 

3008
02:20:38,500 --> 02:20:43,500
Yay. 
And but he doesn't think it's 

3009
02:20:43,500 --> 02:20:45,800
correct to burn. 
Then he might think it's okay to

3010
02:20:45,800 --> 02:20:48,000
hang them if they're wearing 
Lannister, Garb or at least go 

3011
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:50,400
along with it. 
But he doesn't just as you say 

3012
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:52,800
Shawn, he might go along with it
if he thinks it's for the 

3013
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:55,400
greater good. 
Yeah, if burning a kid saves 

3014
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:57,200
Humanity. 
Then he'd be like, well, that's 

3015
02:20:57,200 --> 02:20:59,400
awful. 
But better than Humanity ending.

3016
02:20:59,700 --> 02:21:03,100
I've burned kids for Worse sort 
of seeing kids burned for Worse.

3017
02:21:03,100 --> 02:21:06,600
Yeah, it stinks to think of your
hero is being open to that. 

3018
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:09,500
But yeah, I mean, this is a 
great story where, you know, 

3019
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:15,000
Will he meet sand? 
Or again, that's an interesting 

3020
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:17,000
one. 
The Manny has so much somebody 

3021
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:21,100
takes on so much built-up angst 
towards, but also somebody has a

3022
02:21:21,108 --> 02:21:25,100
little sympathy for someone who 
ran off with Aria, and if he 

3023
02:21:25,300 --> 02:21:27,000
meets him again, he'd want to 
know what happened. 

3024
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:29,200
There is a lot of things that 
could happen in between that 

3025
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:32,200
too, but it's a good question. 
Not one to answer. 

3026
02:21:32,300 --> 02:21:34,800
Just want to think about what 
happens if they talk again, will

3027
02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:36,900
they will? 
They crack jokes at each other? 

3028
02:21:37,000 --> 02:21:40,300
They fight beside each other. 
Will they fight each other? 

3029
02:21:40,700 --> 02:21:44,400
Probably not that one probably 
won't fight each other but hey, 

3030
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:48,400
it is possible beyond the wall. 
Going Beyond the Wall would be 

3031
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:50,100
interesting and a Barrack is 
gone. 

3032
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:52,300
So that's the little, you know, 
the different possibilities 

3033
02:21:52,300 --> 02:21:53,300
there. 
I don't know what you would, go 

3034
02:21:53,300 --> 02:21:56,200
beyond the wall, that's little 
less likely, but going to the 

3035
02:21:56,200 --> 02:22:01,100
wall, or to Winterfell those, 
both seem fairly likely and I 

3036
02:22:01,108 --> 02:22:03,900
don't know, you know, there was 
one line when I was researching 

3037
02:22:03,900 --> 02:22:07,900
for this where I still can't 
quite tell how it applied, but 

3038
02:22:08,100 --> 02:22:11,700
it was that with the Ghost of 
high heart and she was talking a

3039
02:22:11,700 --> 02:22:14,300
Barrack but she called him the 
Lord of corpses and he is like I

3040
02:22:14,308 --> 02:22:16,800
ask you don't call me that. 
Don't don't do that, it made me 

3041
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:20,500
wonder if if Barrack has any 
visions that thoris has if this 

3042
02:22:20,500 --> 02:22:24,300
Breath of Fire gives him any 
Supernatural knowledge or 

3043
02:22:24,300 --> 02:22:27,900
visions himself and if May or 
and even if not active or 

3044
02:22:27,900 --> 02:22:31,200
detailed if it just this feeling
that the Lord of court if that's

3045
02:22:31,200 --> 02:22:33,900
the night king or whatever. 
Like now I'm not that I don't 

3046
02:22:33,900 --> 02:22:37,700
want to be that don't call me 
that you know hmm yeah yeah it 

3047
02:22:37,700 --> 02:22:39,500
is interesting. 
Like what how what You seeing 

3048
02:22:39,500 --> 02:22:41,500
like what does he see when he 
closes his eyes like because you

3049
02:22:41,500 --> 02:22:44,400
have dreams? 
Yeah super interesting and 

3050
02:22:44,400 --> 02:22:47,500
because if he does it does 
relate a lot to throws because 

3051
02:22:47,800 --> 02:22:50,300
Eric was his best friend and 
they talk about these things. 

3052
02:22:50,300 --> 02:22:54,500
Sometimes talks about losing his
memories and talks about what he

3053
02:22:54,500 --> 02:22:57,500
sees and I think they probably 
had some conversations off page 

3054
02:22:57,500 --> 02:23:02,700
about the meaning of it all and 
how it works and what's behind 

3055
02:23:02,700 --> 02:23:05,500
the veil and thoris would have 
questions Barrack with maybe 

3056
02:23:05,500 --> 02:23:09,900
need to talk it through. 
Maybe is like a It kind of thing

3057
02:23:10,300 --> 02:23:12,600
and Dorothy. 
Just out of curiosity to. 

3058
02:23:12,700 --> 02:23:14,700
If I had a friend who got 
resurrected, I be asking all 

3059
02:23:14,700 --> 02:23:18,000
kinds of questions. 
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, get an 

3060
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:20,700
erection. 
Yeah, that's my first. 

3061
02:23:24,700 --> 02:23:28,300
Okay, folks I that is we have 
reached the end of our notes. 

3062
02:23:28,300 --> 02:23:31,100
There's a few questions here. 
Last few moments to get in a 

3063
02:23:31,108 --> 02:23:34,200
question or comment. 
We talked a lot about thoreau's.

3064
02:23:34,500 --> 02:23:35,800
I was really happy with this 
episode. 

3065
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:37,700
I thought of the our discussion 
with particularly good was very 

3066
02:23:37,700 --> 02:23:40,900
deep and was a good. 
Combination of world-building of

3067
02:23:40,900 --> 02:23:43,900
theorizing of magic and 
character work. 

3068
02:23:43,900 --> 02:23:46,200
Lot of good character work. 
Doris is a really good 

3069
02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:49,800
character. 
A great example of the level of 

3070
02:23:49,800 --> 02:23:52,600
depth that non-primary 
characters can have because he's

3071
02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:55,300
not a primary character, but 
this much, you would think he's 

3072
02:23:55,300 --> 02:23:57,200
a primary character. 
If this, if you didn't know A 

3073
02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:59,200
Song of Ice and Fire given all 
this, you would think like, oh, 

3074
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:02,100
that guy must be important. 
Well, he is important but he's 

3075
02:24:02,100 --> 02:24:05,900
not primary. 
He's not even that sees tertiary

3076
02:24:05,900 --> 02:24:08,500
might not be secondary. 
I would argue he is, but, but 

3077
02:24:08,500 --> 02:24:10,100
it's close. 
Cause I wouldn't argue 

3078
02:24:10,100 --> 02:24:14,900
strenuously if he is in, there 
are 40 or 50 secondary character

3079
02:24:14,900 --> 02:24:17,100
or maybe even more than that. 
But yeah, you're right. 

3080
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:20,200
Maybe maybe, maybe, maybe there 
should be a 2A and 2B. 

3081
02:24:20,900 --> 02:24:22,100
Yeah, there you are. 
You to be? 

3082
02:24:22,100 --> 02:24:24,100
I would I would be more if I 
would, are also say to be 

3083
02:24:24,100 --> 02:24:32,800
probably, but but he may rise to
2A, 2B or not. 2B may rise to a 

3084
02:24:32,900 --> 02:24:37,900
higher level. 
If the rest of his Arc is more 

3085
02:24:37,900 --> 02:24:42,200
primary, you know, 52 in Canada,
you can see them being more 

3086
02:24:42,200 --> 02:24:44,500
important down the stretch 
given, you know, the Red Priest,

3087
02:24:44,500 --> 02:24:48,600
the prophecy, the darkness, the 
others, the Zora high, like, you

3088
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:51,800
can see that and taking more. 
So, yeah, at the end of this 

3089
02:24:51,800 --> 02:24:54,000
story, he might be clearly 
secondary, or? 

3090
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:56,000
Yeah. 
Or, you know, primary, maybe I'm

3091
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:59,100
not, I guess a drawer just said 
he doesn't plan on introducing 

3092
02:24:59,100 --> 02:25:01,700
any new POV so that. 
Yeah, it makes you think, 

3093
02:25:01,700 --> 02:25:03,500
probably not, but I would love 
to see. 

3094
02:25:03,500 --> 02:25:06,200
Here's one, here's one that I 
hope we got, since we are going 

3095
02:25:06,200 --> 02:25:08,500
to get another POV, probably. 
Assuming he sticks to that. 

3096
02:25:08,900 --> 02:25:11,300
Unless there is a prologue 
character which we like no, he's

3097
02:25:11,300 --> 02:25:18,300
gonna die, but melisandre's POV 
while she interacts with thoris 

3098
02:25:18,400 --> 02:25:21,100
would be super, that would be. 
Yeah, give us that George or at 

3099
02:25:21,100 --> 02:25:23,200
least, thinking about it 
afterwards, if they interact. 

3100
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:25,400
Yeah, would love to hear her 
thoughts on him. 

3101
02:25:25,500 --> 02:25:28,800
So we probably won't get his 
thoughts on her, at least not in

3102
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:31,400
his head. 
He may speak them which that I 

3103
02:25:31,400 --> 02:25:34,100
want that too. 
But yeah, we'll see. 

3104
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:35,600
Cool. 
All right. 

3105
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:37,800
Dom tortelli a shout-out to folk
wise. 

3106
02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:40,100
What's up Dom? 
He says I love how ferocious is.

3107
02:25:40,100 --> 02:25:42,900
Like what if Robert evolved into
Stannis? 

3108
02:25:42,900 --> 02:25:49,000
Right about like justice and 
like stuff like that? 

3109
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:54,700
Anyways I love it. 
Yeah been down yeah just like 

3110
02:25:54,700 --> 02:25:56,600
time is ravaging. 
He looks older than he is. 

3111
02:25:56,600 --> 02:25:58,200
You went from looking younger to
older. 

3112
02:25:58,200 --> 02:26:01,800
Yea tall thin that's a great 
take a good one. 

3113
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:04,700
Sarah Jane Williams says, maybe 
Ari. 

3114
02:26:04,900 --> 02:26:07,300
Will kill lady stoneheart 
already spent a while in the 

3115
02:26:07,300 --> 02:26:10,000
house of black and white and 
with jock in their doctrines, 

3116
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:11,900
rubbed off on her. 
A debt is owed, because 

3117
02:26:11,900 --> 02:26:14,900
stoneheart, has cheated death, 
it might be seen as a mercy. 

3118
02:26:15,500 --> 02:26:18,600
Yeah, that would be something. 
If Aria is the one to put her 

3119
02:26:18,600 --> 02:26:22,200
own mother out of out of her, 
won't give her mercy murmuring. 

3120
02:26:22,200 --> 02:26:24,300
Are you? 
His nickname is currently mercy.

3121
02:26:24,400 --> 02:26:26,900
So that even more fits. 
Yeah. 

3122
02:26:27,300 --> 02:26:28,400
Yeah. 
I could see it. 

3123
02:26:28,400 --> 02:26:30,300
I could see it. 
She might need to be, she might 

3124
02:26:30,300 --> 02:26:34,000
need to be put down, so to speak
to if she just gets more and 

3125
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:37,300
more evil. 
I've LED I'll say let her murder

3126
02:26:37,300 --> 02:26:39,900
a few more phrase and Lannisters
first, and then and turn the 

3127
02:26:39,908 --> 02:26:42,100
flip that switch, but your 
mileage may vary. 

3128
02:26:42,100 --> 02:26:44,700
I like it on one level. 
But when I think of the reality 

3129
02:26:44,700 --> 02:26:46,500
of how old is that timeline 
work? 

3130
02:26:46,500 --> 02:26:49,300
How long for our daily, the 
house and black away into the 

3131
02:26:49,300 --> 02:26:51,400
riverlands fine. 
Ladies don't like sheep 

3132
02:26:51,400 --> 02:26:53,800
traipsing around the river. 
Maybe Stone are ghosts North to,

3133
02:26:53,800 --> 02:26:55,800
and I don't know. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

3134
02:26:56,500 --> 02:26:58,500
It is true. 
It is a little tricky to figure 

3135
02:26:58,500 --> 02:27:00,800
that out, so to imagine the 
logistics of them coming 

3136
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:02,800
together, but it's George, he 
could do it. 

3137
02:27:02,808 --> 02:27:05,700
He could pull it off if he 
wanted to, but II That's a small

3138
02:27:05,700 --> 02:27:08,700
strike against that idea. 
Darkness Dame says. 

3139
02:27:08,700 --> 02:27:11,000
Yeah there's already been a 
split in the BWB with some 

3140
02:27:11,000 --> 02:27:13,300
people like edric leaving. 
Do wonder if they'll be another.

3141
02:27:13,300 --> 02:27:17,900
Yeah, edric Dane left and Guy 
the Archer left few others, it's

3142
02:27:17,900 --> 02:27:20,200
hard to tell. 
I like edrick so much. 

3143
02:27:20,300 --> 02:27:24,400
Yeah, good I would leave too. 
Yeah, I mean, it was he was 

3144
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:27,100
partly saying because Barak was 
his Lord. 

3145
02:27:27,400 --> 02:27:29,900
So he was a squire was like, 
well, that's my Lord is gone. 

3146
02:27:29,900 --> 02:27:31,400
I have no one to Squire for may 
as well leave. 

3147
02:27:31,400 --> 02:27:34,800
Yeah, but also, because of were 
led by of revenant now, Oh, 

3148
02:27:34,808 --> 02:27:38,500
that's a good reason. 
It directly if you had a good 

3149
02:27:38,500 --> 02:27:41,700
Revenant leader, maybe you stay 
driven and leaders like 

3150
02:27:41,700 --> 02:27:44,600
hell-bent on Revenge and 
violence and Barak was a good 

3151
02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:46,000
Revenant leader. 
I suppose when he was really 

3152
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:47,500
around. 
Yeah, it was really a rabbit. 

3153
02:27:47,500 --> 02:27:51,100
As much as just Undead ravenous 
more like implies the revenge on

3154
02:27:51,100 --> 02:27:53,500
down. 
Has the Revenant is Undead being

3155
02:27:53,500 --> 02:27:56,900
bent on Revenge for or bent, on 
finishing the task, it was 

3156
02:27:56,900 --> 02:27:59,100
completing which in that sense, 
it would be better. 

3157
02:27:59,100 --> 02:28:01,400
Because Barak is told by trying 
to finish the job. 

3158
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:03,300
Yeah. 
So I sort of was a revenues, 

3159
02:28:03,300 --> 02:28:06,200
kind of a loose term, you know. 
And entertain is Lord of 

3160
02:28:06,208 --> 02:28:08,500
Starfall. 
He's not like are to Starfall, 

3161
02:28:08,500 --> 02:28:10,600
he's Lord of Starfall. 
So yet another reason to lead 

3162
02:28:10,600 --> 02:28:13,400
was to go ahead and go be Lord 
of Starfall. 

3163
02:28:13,400 --> 02:28:15,400
I got, why am I hanging around 
in caves? 

3164
02:28:15,400 --> 02:28:18,100
When I could go? 
Man, this is a bad. 

3165
02:28:18,100 --> 02:28:21,000
Like, I could go home and tell 
the servants to make me 

3166
02:28:21,000 --> 02:28:23,600
breakfast. 
All day long. 

3167
02:28:24,700 --> 02:28:26,800
Mmm. 
All day breakfast? 

3168
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:29,300
Yeah. 
All day breakfast. 

3169
02:28:29,300 --> 02:28:31,700
After this? 
Yeah, it's been three hour 

3170
02:28:31,700 --> 02:28:32,700
episode. 
We've just done. 

3171
02:28:32,700 --> 02:28:35,500
Yeah. 
So the trivial Via quite the 

3172
02:28:35,508 --> 02:28:39,600
question again was mere makes 
weapons that into in particular 

3173
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:44,200
that they're famous for 
crossbows and stilettos. 

3174
02:28:45,100 --> 02:28:47,800
Mirror stiletto has been 
mentioned, Dario is the bonus 

3175
02:28:47,800 --> 02:28:49,300
question. 
I know there is the quick bonus 

3176
02:28:49,300 --> 02:28:51,000
question. 
He has, he wields a stiletto is 

3177
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:54,500
to blaze with the naked ladies, 
a sword in a mirror stiletto. 

3178
02:28:54,900 --> 02:28:57,500
I'm pretty sure Tyrion seize 
land cells, attempt to grow a 

3179
02:28:57,500 --> 02:28:59,900
mustache. 
And says, it's like, as thin as 

3180
02:28:59,900 --> 02:29:03,500
a mirror stiletto, because it's 
barely a mustache because 

3181
02:29:03,500 --> 02:29:04,700
there's yeah, the worst level 
one comes. 

3182
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:09,700
Six times in the entire series 
did get share a sea star guest, 

3183
02:29:09,700 --> 02:29:12,200
both of the Stiletto and the 
Daria. 

3184
02:29:12,200 --> 02:29:15,300
Nice job, Sierra C star. 
Shout out to you forgetting the 

3185
02:29:15,300 --> 02:29:16,400
questions, right? 
Good job. 

3186
02:29:16,400 --> 02:29:17,900
Hope. 
Sean had a cat, but she ran 

3187
02:29:17,900 --> 02:29:23,400
away, jumped out of his lapis 
immediately lost it recommended.

3188
02:29:23,400 --> 02:29:27,600
Further episode listening, our 
recent Valerie has on real or 

3189
02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:29,600
which came before House of the 
Dragon season. 

3190
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:32,500
Not too long before was just a 
few episodes before. 

3191
02:29:32,900 --> 02:29:35,600
Also, the summerhall episodes 
were Pretty important. 

3192
02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:38,400
We mentioned that deal with 
Aries and rhaegar. 

3193
02:29:38,400 --> 02:29:40,700
So we have to summerhall 
episodes that are pretty far 

3194
02:29:40,700 --> 02:29:43,400
back in our catalog. 
There's probably some others 

3195
02:29:43,400 --> 02:29:46,500
that relate as well but I'm not 
sure who Sean's got the cat. 

3196
02:29:46,500 --> 02:29:49,700
Again, we go look at her store 
cat. 

3197
02:29:49,700 --> 02:29:51,600
That's a cute one. 
Oh, yeah. 

3198
02:29:53,800 --> 02:29:56,800
Thanks to all of you all Who 
Came live. 

3199
02:29:56,800 --> 02:30:00,600
Thanks to an includes the kitty 
cats and the other cats out 

3200
02:30:00,600 --> 02:30:03,600
there that watch the stream with
their owners, even if just for a

3201
02:30:03,608 --> 02:30:07,400
minute or two, we Appreciate 
that yours and the cat's 

3202
02:30:07,400 --> 02:30:09,500
presences. 
Thanks to Nina for. 

3203
02:30:09,500 --> 02:30:11,100
The excellent takes of read a 
lot of her texts. 

3204
02:30:11,100 --> 02:30:14,500
Today, I often do they were 
particularly good today. 

3205
02:30:14,500 --> 02:30:18,300
I thought thank you. 
If you were a supporter of us 

3206
02:30:18,300 --> 02:30:21,400
through patreon or Spotify, 
those are two. 

3207
02:30:21,500 --> 02:30:24,100
Those are two best ways to sign 
up to support us financially to 

3208
02:30:24,108 --> 02:30:27,700
become a voluntary subscriber. 
You can also do that through our

3209
02:30:27,700 --> 02:30:29,700
website, you can send a one-time
donation. 

3210
02:30:29,700 --> 02:30:32,800
We will respond by sending you a
batch of our bonus episodes. 

3211
02:30:33,400 --> 02:30:34,800
And yeah. 
So there's a lot. 

3212
02:30:34,900 --> 02:30:37,200
Out of ways to support you can 
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3213
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:39,900
course, whether it's any of the 
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3214
02:30:39,900 --> 02:30:42,200
you're using our one of our 
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3215
02:30:42,200 --> 02:30:44,800
supports the show course, 
leaving a review is nice as well

3216
02:30:44,800 --> 02:30:47,500
and telling your friends. 
That course, one of the best 

3217
02:30:47,500 --> 02:30:52,700
things about, in terms of ways 
of spreading podcasts is Word of

3218
02:30:52,700 --> 02:30:54,100
Mouth. 
That works better than anything.

3219
02:30:54,100 --> 02:30:58,300
Nothing sells entertainment to 
friends like other friends, we 

3220
02:30:58,300 --> 02:31:00,400
trust each other. 
I trust my friends 

3221
02:31:00,400 --> 02:31:04,000
recommendations, you your 
friends, probably trust yours as

3222
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:07,500
well. 
Thanks to Joey and Jesse and 

3223
02:31:07,500 --> 02:31:11,100
bran for our Music. 
We have lots of music on our 

3224
02:31:11,100 --> 02:31:14,400
various forms of episodes and 
those guys take care of it for 

3225
02:31:14,400 --> 02:31:15,700
us. 
Thanks also to Michael car 

3226
02:31:15,700 --> 02:31:19,100
failed for his maps and video 
intro. 

3227
02:31:19,100 --> 02:31:22,800
Michael has put out a movie 
recently, we will be sharing it 

3228
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:26,000
around, once it gets through the
pre pre, the post-production 

3229
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:28,400
phase, it's very close. 
So that's exciting. 

3230
02:31:28,400 --> 02:31:31,700
Michael is a creative Dynamo, 
he's always working on some 

3231
02:31:31,700 --> 02:31:34,300
project or other, you're right, 
creative dynamos. 

3232
02:31:35,700 --> 02:31:37,600
He is Taipei. 
He does. 

3233
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:41,900
He does not mean yes. 
He sure, you know, Jimmy Graham 

3234
02:31:41,900 --> 02:31:45,000
is a teacher and he great makes 
movies. 

3235
02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:47,700
And makes those maps that are 
behind disease and makes our 

3236
02:31:47,700 --> 02:31:51,900
intro and sends us like custom 
cards that he cut himself. 

3237
02:31:51,900 --> 02:31:54,700
They like making like a pop-out 
version of Winterfell or the 

3238
02:31:54,700 --> 02:31:58,000
wall or he makes like Cassandra 
is always doing creative 

3239
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:00,500
projects. 
I'm too full creative energy. 

3240
02:32:00,500 --> 02:32:04,100
This man and an effort. 
Yes yeah he works hard. 

3241
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:09,000
He fulfills that funny to you 
also flies in the face of the, 

3242
02:32:09,000 --> 02:32:13,400
the non funny German stereotype 
because I'm like, I know, I'm, I

3243
02:32:13,400 --> 02:32:15,800
see that trophy on my wall. 
I know of one of the funniest 

3244
02:32:15,800 --> 02:32:17,200
people. 
I know it's turbines. 

3245
02:32:17,900 --> 02:32:20,000
Yeah, he does. 
Fulfill the productive 

3246
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:27,600
stereotype hard-working are. 
Yeah, that wouldn't be that one 

3247
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:29,400
Germans don't mind something. 
Yeah, I don't mind. 

3248
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:33,900
So cool. 
Yeah, next week is blood-magic 

3249
02:32:33,900 --> 02:32:36,500
and will be Hitting that hard 
with lots of fun stuff. 

3250
02:32:36,500 --> 02:32:40,200
Get to go Supernatural in the 
meantime, natural are super 

3251
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:42,100
super natural. 
Super, super natural. 

3252
02:32:42,100 --> 02:32:44,100
Yeah, I like your take better. 
We're gonna shake. 

3253
02:32:45,900 --> 02:32:49,200
Thanks again to both of y'all. 
Share and Sean, and we'll see 

3254
02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:50,800
you all next week. 
And, you know, what to do in the

3255
02:32:50,808 --> 02:32:54,700
meantime. 
Well, Aria Reedus.