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Fire. 
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Queen, a novella in a collection
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It's quite good, actually. 
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I highly recommend it. 
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But it goes to show that Rainier
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heart of the dance ever since 
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They were the first framing 
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The TV show made changes to them
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details, but it kept their 
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to the show, with Olivia Cook 
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an ensemble cast. 
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journey today. 
Their characters as they 

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intersect with one another, 
parallels, hidden stuff, stuff 

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you've noticed but needs more 
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thing to talk about. 
And we've got a special guest to

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help us through this effort 
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So we've got all that and more 
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Westeros Podcast. 
Hello and welcome back 

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everybody. 
It's another Wednesday deep 

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We do these most Wednesdays 

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that we choose that we feel like
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getting in a little deeper with 
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Westeros. 
Welcome back to the show Kim 

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Renfro of A Cast of Kings. 
And you are, you've been in this

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game for quite a while and we 
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So it's great having you here. 
Thanks so much for having me 

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back. 
You're welcome, and you have had

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a a big life event recently too,
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I had a baby. 

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Yeah, baby. 
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That is my two-month old son. 
It was not named Agon. 

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He's named Amond right now. 
That's right. 

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Well, congratulations. 
That's great. 

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We're very happy for you. 
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that's coming in case you are as
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aside for that at the end. 
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you're catching a show later. 
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Tracy McMillan sends a super 
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So can't watch live. 
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So yeah, it is a bit late over 

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there. 
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show as best friends. 
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characters in season one and 
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season 2. 
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three main characters with 
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and who isn't. 
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important. 
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and as well Damon are top 3IN 
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And of course Damon has a lot to
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He'll come up, but we're 
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Allison Rainier. 
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sometimes that's OK. 
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from being Maine, but I do think
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or the central characters. 
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on that Allison shirt, you 
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Rainiera show, but you gave me 
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Allison. 
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over, You put these folks 
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to usurp the other, like so if 
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later, it might be Allison and 
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Allison. 
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Allison Show. 
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charges. 
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one because so many years are 
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again or they the actors change 
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From from the start, we see that
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kind of continues all the way 
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their personality have have been
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the years and this is in part 
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has her head in Allison's lap. 
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is this 10,000 ships book. 
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Allison Rainier's relationship? 
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back on it, it it's a what's 
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some of what you initially 
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Bisexual, Reneira confirmed. 
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look or two, that was like 
totally, but it wasn't 100% 

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confirmed. 
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romantic undertones to their 
friendship were something that I

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picked up on early, like early 
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I don't I think that HBO might 
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a time ahead of the premiere. 
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the time to to be invited to 
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Emily Carey and Millie Alcock. 
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because I was like, am I, am I, 
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like what's going on? 
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confident that like, yes, like 
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intentionality behind their 
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there were overlaps of like the 
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way that we see a lot of just 
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teenagers kind of not knowing 
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intimacy with one another. 
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romantic or not or like a sign 
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But they were like, yeah, the 
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And I was like, OK, cool. 
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season, we didn't have a lot of 
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like an explicit part of the 
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I thought it added so much more 
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these two young women were both,
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that tumultuous point of their 
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And it just made it all the more
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way that they did, mostly 
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older men who should have known 
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women in their lives like that. 
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they were each sort of 
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roles. 
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separated them from one another 
in ways that we're, we're still 

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seeing the fallout, I think of 
the of the fact that they were 

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no longer able to actually like 
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other's lives beyond their 
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It's really hard to keep friends
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at that age in general, let 
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Or. 
Whatever and like all these 

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civil civil war things like 
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It's pretty hard to they had 
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maintaining their friendship 
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Sean, what about this book 
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This was pretty important. 
It kind of framed a lot of their

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relationship in a way like it's 
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come back to and refer to. 
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they it's, it's an important 
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setting. 
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could say they kind of bonded 
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different aspects of the story 
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Like, Nymeria appeals to them 
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You know, it's so important. 
In fact, I went and checked on 

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something just before we started
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there's a scene early on where 
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book. 
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Is it kind of like a indication 
of the difference in her 

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characters? 
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but Reneira's the rebel, you 
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And that's kind of like they're,
they're characters mostly 

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through their youth anyway, 
maybe a little bit different 

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now. 
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terms right after the Greens 
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know, game is not having at all,
Reneira seems open and he pulls 

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that he he brings the Maester 
Orwell forward with this paper, 

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unfolds it and you know, it, it,
it gets Renera clearly. 

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She I, I feel like she's keeping
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make a deal with Otto because 
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Damon's, you know, a loudmouth. 
But if you remember a couple 

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episodes ago, she decides to get
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At one point we we hear Allison 
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she tells Renee, tells Rainey's 
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hasn't even bothered to read it.
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She opens up that. 
Scroll. 

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Treasure box and then scroll is 
in there along with a couple 

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other. 
Treasures. 

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Including, yes, heartfelt 
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A folded up piece of parchment 
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guarantee is that same piece of 
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Where? 
She kept her children's, a 

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children's toy in there. 
Things that have great meaning 

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to her, absolutely. 
That's a good catch. 

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I didn't notice the letter, the 
page in there that's. 

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Really good. 
I went back to double check I 

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and it, you know, again, I'm 
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heck else? 
Was that's a good assumption. 

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In there, you know? 
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I'll take that as head cannon 
for sure. 

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Yeah. 
And I and it also leaves it open

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for it to get pulled back out at
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You know, it, it seems like 
they're past the point of 

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reconciliation. 
I want to, I want to say that I 

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think there was another moment, 
not take away from all the other

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facts going on, including the 
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their lives and then the war 
breaking out and all this other 

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stuff. 
But I do think there was a key 

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moment when the relationship was
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was when Raniera lied to 
Allison, when Allison heard this

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rumor, you know, when the spy 
told Otto and the spy was a 

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little off, right? 
Like Damon Raniera made out in 

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public, they didn't quite have 
sex, but she did have sex with 

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Kristen. 
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Raniera about it and she 
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And Allison believes her and 
goes to confront her dad over 

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this even then finds out for 
Kristen that they didn't have 

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sex. 
I think that betrayal to Allison

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is what I want to say ended 
their friendship. 

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But I still think in that moment
that was emotionally charged. 

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It might have ended it. 
But as time passed, it's, as you

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can see, I think they still have
a bond. 

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They still have. 
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They. 
They. 

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Made-up after that. 
Yeah, I, I have, I have a few 

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friends in my life that I've had
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some pretty bad fights with them
17 years ago and now we're still

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friends Despite that bad fight. 
Now we're not involved in wars 

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and. 
We're not. 

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It's not as heavy, but, but I do
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it's fair to put a little bit of
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for both her indiscretion and 
her dishonesty about Allison's. 

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I agree. 
I agree. 

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the fact that Rainier has shared
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really supposed to only be 
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and their heir, right it, but 
she chose to like, talk to 

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Allison about that, which speaks
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trusts her, cares about her, 
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her. 
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lives, maybe even relates more 
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probably some of the rebellious 
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of natural. 
But also they're both living 

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this live of trying to be 
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I think that they can relate to 
that. 

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And I think that's what that 
whole scene. 

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I'm sure we'll talk about it 
more. 

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We're getting ahead of ourselves
here. 

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Yeah, we're going. 
We're going chronologically. 

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Let's not jump too far ahead. 
Let's back that up a little bit.

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That's a great point from Sean 
about like the that moment where

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Rainier fails to like truly 
confide in Allison about what 

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happened, I think is absolutely 
like probably one of the bigger 

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regrets maybe of Rainier's 
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from like what we've been shown 
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And yet I'm also I was also like
watching that was like painful 

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of like, oh, like, just like 
just tell it. 

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Like I'm sure Allison would like
not necessarily judge Rainiera 

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wholly. 
Like I feel like if Rainier had 

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told her the whole truth of like
how that how everything with 

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Damon had gone down that night, 
things might have gone 

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differently. 
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moment, like Rainiera acting out
of like shame and being like, I,

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I don't, I don't want to talk 
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me and Damon because like, like 
specifically the way she says 

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like Damon never touched me. 
Like I feel like she's trying to

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convince herself. 
Like that was so like weird and 

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embarrassing and left me feeling
so strange. 

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And I certainly can't tell her 
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That's like a secret. 
And like, I know that that was 

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like really, really bad. 
But like, specifically the Damon

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thing, I just feel like I 
understood that Rainier was like

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feeling a lot of shame in that 
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herself to to really confide in 
Allison in that moment. 

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Because at that point their 
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strained. 
Because now Allison is her queen

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and like she sometimes has to 
like behave in different courtly

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ways around her. 
And it's like, OK, am I talking 

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to my bestie here? 
Or am I talking to my queen and 

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also the wife of my father, who 
like definitely from my nearest 

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point of view, like couldn't 
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happened. 
So like, I think that the show 

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has done a really good job of 
adding so many like 

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understandable and like 
sympathetic reasons for the 

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various chips in their 
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dynamic over the. 
Yeah, most of what happens to 

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them is, is not their own making
of their own doing. 

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Like you said, there's these 
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forcing them into marriages, 
giving, making them air or not 

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making them air. 
They're expecting to get married

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'cause that's how women of their
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of their culture, etcetera. 
So and then things don't quite 

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go as according to a lot of 
those expectations, which is 

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interesting. 
Now the the concept of secrets, 

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I think is super interesting 
Between these two, there's two 

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things I want to focus on with 
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One is just their general 
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secrets they keep now as as at 
the beginning, you get the sense

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that they would tell each other 
anything. 

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You know, they're close, they 
have their best friends. 

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It's not very complicated. 
Their life hasn't gotten hasn't 

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had all these influences that 
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would encourage them to maybe 
keep things from each other. 

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But honestly, the first thing 
that comes up between them that 

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isn't that isn't spoken of is 
that prophecy, because that 

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happens in episode one and that 
becomes the thing. 

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Like we say, the IT it does come
up later. 

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They do talk about it, and it's 
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Rainier confides in anyone 
regarding it, partly because 

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it's related to circumstances 
like Allison brings it up first.

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Yeah, I would. 
I would say I misspoke. 

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She doesn't truly confide all 
the way. 

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She kind of refers to it, but 
she doesn't really say. 

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Here, let me lay it out for you.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

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But it still comes up. 
But that's so interesting. 

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Is this maybe the first secret 
she got in her life that she 

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couldn't share with Allison now?
She couldn't share with anyone, 

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really, but she But Allison is 
the one she would have shared it

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with if it weren't like this 
big, great, grand family secret.

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And maybe that is the first 
little trickle of the trust 

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breaking down because she has a 
state secret that, yeah, you 

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understand why she doesn't tell.
But it's the first time that 

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burden's been put on her. 
And they both lost their mothers

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early in life. 
That's a big factor and a very 

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relevant point was made 
recently, in fact, in the last 

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episode when Gwaine and Allison 
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This was a huge fodder for 
looking back on these these 

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earlier scenes and having more 
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what they're talking about. 
Gwaine talks about being raised 

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at Old Town. 
Allison's like I was raised at 

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the Red Keep. 
They both dad liked you best. 

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But then they talk about how 
being raised at the Red Keep 

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isn't good, right? 
What does he say? 

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The Red Keep, for all its 
privileges, may not be the most 

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salubrious environment for 
raising children. 

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Good vocab words happening this 
season. 

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All right, he was raised near 
the Citadel. 

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Maybe. 
I'll learn words like that at 

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the red key. 
Allison was like. 

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She didn't understand that word.
She just like context. 

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She's like, that means bad, 
right? 

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So, and that's Allison Raniera. 
These two children, the first 

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two kids we see being raised at 
the Red Keep, when we have this,

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you know, 16 episodes later, 
it's like, you know, the Red 

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Keep's a bad place to raise 
children. 

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Now that she's been a child and 
a mother at the Red Keep, she 

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really has she has that 
perspective, but it's not like 

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she can compare it to anything 
else unless she's talking to 

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someone she trusts that has a 
perspective that's different, 

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which her brother is exactly 
that, so. 

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I love the shot too of Allison 
walking out to the courtyard on 

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that scene. 
Her silhouette looked exactly 

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like her younger self to me. 
Like something about like the 

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like the shape of the dress and 
like the hair that they had her 

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and in that. 
Moment Emily Carey's Allison 

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would wear a lot. 
Yeah. 

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And I was like, oh, they're 
like, there was just a lot of 

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echoes of like, oh, we are 
absolutely supposed to be 

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recalling exactly the way that 
her own upbringing has now LED 

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her to this point in a lot of 
really tragic ways. 

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I also think it's really 
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difference of even within the 
Red Keep and even with all the 

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similarities in their upbringing
that they had, the difference 

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that it seems being a lady 
versus a Princess bears. 

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Like, you know, it reminds me a 
lot of like, you know, being a 

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first born son versus the second
son and like. 

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Yes, you're both still in like 
an immense place of privilege 

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within the Westerosi society, 
but like, you have different 

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chips on your shoulders. 
And I think that that 

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contributes a little bit to the 
way that Allison was so much 

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more of like a rule follower and
like very, you know, manners and

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customs and all these things are
very important in a way that 

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Rainier, because she was a 
Princess and because 

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particularly I think like a 
Targaryen Princess and being 

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like, you know, I'm special. 
We can break the rules 

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sometimes. 
Like we can be a little more 

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brash and, and do whatever we 
want. 

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And Allison clearly resents 
that, resents not feeling like 

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she had that same path to tread.
I'm glad you said that 'cause I 

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didn't think about that before. 
Think of how much of A rebel 

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problem child, if you will, 
Damon, Whoever can be the second

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son. 
Almost expected to just be a 

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problem, right? 
But. 

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The second daughter better keep 
herself in line, yeah? 

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Else she won't have a good man 
to marry, right? 

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Yeah. 
Exactly. 

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She needs to be marriage 
marriageable. 

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Marriageable. 
Yeah, that's a word, right? 

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Marable. 
Yeah. 

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Now this last topic you brought 
up also has an interesting 

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connection to things that were 
discussed more recently on the 

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show. 
For example, we have the let's 

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talk about the Sept. 
The Sept, of course, is a very 

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important location for them, and
it relates to the loss of 

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Allison's mother and which is we
later learned as Alery Florent. 

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Now, Rainier wasn't raised 
deeply in the Seven. 

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They're prominent in Old Town 
and house out here. 

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That's like the most prominent 
location for them. 

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So you say Allison was raised to
be a rule follower. 

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She lived, she was born in the 
place where the rules emanate 

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from, like the the heart of 
those rules. 

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They're rooted in worship of the
Seven. 

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And that's where the Citadel and
the Sept, the Great Sept are. 

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So. 
Yeah. 

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And the high towers are 
obviously very powerful as well.

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Old Town's a huge population 
center. 

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But to get back to what y'all 
were just saying, that's another

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early conversation that's had 
been fleshed out in a very 

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recent episode. 
Yeah. 

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Allison's like, I was kind of 
jealous of Rainier's ability to 

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be free. 
In this last episode, episode, 

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episode 6, Rainier is 
complaining to Missouri that 

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David got to do whatever he 
wanted. 

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He was the free one. 
Right. 

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So it's like, this is like, 
well, he she's jealous of her 

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for being too free, and she's 
jealous of him for being. 

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It's like this escalating 
jealousy thing. 

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And it does. 
They do kind of go down that 

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ladder. 
It's like, OK, well, one is this

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the first born daughter of a 
very conservative house. 

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The 2nd is first born daughter 
of the royal house, which means 

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she has more privileges and is 
probably expects to not inherit.

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Damon also doesn't inherit, but 
is a man taught to be more 

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aggressive and all these other 
things. 

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So yeah, it's kind of like a 
like a level one, level 2, Level

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3, you know? 
Yeah. 

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And like, how do they each try 
to get as much power and agency 

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as possible? 
Like they each have a very 

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different approach to how they 
do that. 

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And I think Rainera of the three
of them, is probably the one 

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least interested in that. 
You know, she says early on, 

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like, I wish I could just be a 
knight and fly around on my 

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dragon. 
And like, she's the one kind of 

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burdened a little bit more. 
And I think that that that 

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contributes, I think, to the way
that she, the way that we see 

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her act now as an adult a lot 
more. 

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And her, her, her attempts at 
adhering to duty while still 

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being, yeah, like now, resentful
of losing that freedom and 

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losing the ability to truly do 
whatever she wanted. 

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I wonder if we could let me get 
you all's take on this. 

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This is something I just now 
kind of realized. 

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That opening scene where Rainier
comes back from Cyrax and 

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Allison's talking to her and 
they meet and and Rainier kind 

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of talks about, well, wouldn't 
you want to fly? 

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And she's like, Nah, no thanks. 
That's a really good statement 

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on the kind of person they are 
and how they've been raised. 

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Like Allison here, you're 
offered the freedom. 

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And she's like, no, I don't want
it. 

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Like it isn't just that she's 
restricted. 

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It's like she believes she 
doesn't. 

452
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,680
Maybe she really doesn't because
it scares the hell out of her. 

453
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,720
But I think that's meant to, 
like, tell us a little something

454
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,240
about she doesn't have. 
She doesn't feel like it's her 

455
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,360
place to explore like that, or 
to be free like that, Maybe. 

456
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:05,800
And some of it could be fear, 
too. 

457
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,640
It's probably not just. 
Right, like it's just not her 

458
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,800
preference to live A to live a 
risky life like that. 

459
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,760
But there's a difference between
like not being risk averse or 

460
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,600
like not wanting to be on dragon
back and being confined entirely

461
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,280
the way that the way that she 
is. 

462
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,280
So yeah, I love the more that I 
rewatch those early episodes, 

463
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,800
like I really appreciate how 
much groundwork the writers were

464
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,720
doing in terms of like all these
little like show, don't tell 

465
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,520
moments of the differences 
between them and the ways that 

466
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,280
they relate to one another that 
just keep building up on each 

467
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,600
other as we get further and 
further into the story here. 

468
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,080
Yeah, totally. 
And in terms of the Sept being, 

469
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,880
you know, one of their places 
and, and, and Allison lighting 

470
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,560
candles right for, for her 
mother and stuff like that. 

471
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,840
I found one of the interviews 
that Olivia Cook gave a while 

472
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,800
back really interesting. 
Actually, I think it was Sarah 

473
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,000
Hess maybe quoting Olivia Cook. 
But in an interview, they said 

474
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,280
that Olivia told Sarah Hess that
she believes it's her head 

475
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,080
cannon that at some point 
Allison and Rainier kissed or 

476
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,480
made out or had some kind of 
physical interaction that 

477
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,600
Allison's mother found out about
and forbade. 

478
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,320
And so in in Olivia Cook's head 
cannon, it's like, oh, I can't 

479
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,320
do that. 
That's not right. 

480
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,600
And that's her the background 
that she orients herself with. 

481
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,320
So when you think about this 
scene of her like this idea of 

482
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,280
her in the Sept and she's like 
atoning for these kind of, you 

483
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,200
know, latent homosexual 
tendencies that she's kind of 

484
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,400
trying to stifle. 
And she's thinking about her 

485
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,560
mother telling her this is wrong
and all of that. 

486
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,720
It's it's so rich. 
Totally. 

487
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:49,080
I the the way that I think, like
their shared grief over losing 

488
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,520
their mothers, like again, 
should have been such a strong, 

489
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,160
like should have made their bond
even stronger. 

490
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,480
And the way that like Otto 
immediately redirects Allison 

491
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,720
towards comforting Viserys as 
opposed to being there for right

492
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,000
near it in the aftermath of that
was again, like so consequential

493
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,600
to what we're now seeing in 
their adult dynamics. 

494
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,440
And that's sort of like, you 
know, like the generational 

495
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,240
trauma cycle, like, you know, 
could have stopped with the two 

496
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,880
of them potentially if they had 
been able to kind of like stick 

497
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,360
together and support one 
another. 

498
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:26,280
But the fact that, like, Otto 
was like, Nope, like, you know, 

499
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,960
we're not going to go ahead and 
like, help Rainier through this 

500
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,880
awful situation, like focuses on
Viserys and, you know, 

501
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,400
furthering the cause of House 
Hightower here and maintaining 

502
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,680
the status quo in the realm. 
You know, I think there's a 

503
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,520
decent chance that she did 
actually come from Rainiera. 

504
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,840
They may have still been friends
and bonded through that. 

505
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,080
We just didn't see it on screen.
I'm not sure about this, but I 

506
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,560
can see that they continued 
their relationship similar to 

507
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,120
what we knew. 
Knew already or have been seen. 

508
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,480
But then additionally Allison 
was meeting with the saris all 

509
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,560
the time. 
Let's say I'm right about that. 

510
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,480
That might make it worse. 
When all of a sudden Allison and

511
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,040
Becerra are getting married. 
That means it information. 

512
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,800
Adds to the betrayal. 
Right. 

513
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,320
Adds to the betrayal, right? 
So. 

514
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,800
Yeah, that's another great point
is like if if the Song of Ice 

515
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,120
and Fire prophecy was sort of 
the first burden and wait and 

516
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:24,480
like secret that Rainier had to 
keep from Allison, the fact that

517
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,120
Allison is specifically kind of 
old by Viserys. 

518
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,720
Like you don't talk, you don't 
tell Raniero about like these 

519
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,320
little meetings, right? 
Like was that was the first 

520
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,240
thing put that was the first 
thing put on Allison of like, 

521
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,480
oh, shit. 
And, and the fact that they're 

522
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,400
both coming from Viserys, like 
Viserys kind of like brought 

523
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,640
down these two again as king, 
not only as like one of their 

524
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,400
elders and a father, but like as
king, you know, created these 

525
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,120
two secrets that then just, you 
know, build up and up and up 

526
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,280
until the the hurt, the hurt 
comes to the fore. 

527
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,120
And and any sort of bonding or 
support or whatever Allison may 

528
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:08,200
have had Raniera in that time 
might have been discounted by 

529
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,200
what feels like a betrayal from 
Raniera for her to be hooking up

530
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,280
with her dad. 
So. 

531
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,440
Yeah, right. 
Like, oh, were you just, were 

532
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,920
you trying to get him good with 
the family? 

533
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,880
All goes all along, yeah? 
Throws everything into question,

534
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,840
which is I think it's it's 
fascinating at the show, kind of

535
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,400
like, does such a significant 
time jump right after that 

536
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,760
reveal? 
Like we don't see at like 

537
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,920
Allison and Rainier talk about 
the fact that she's marrying 

538
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560
Viserys. 
We jump straight from like the 

539
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,000
sort of wordless hurt. 
They're looking at each other 

540
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,960
from either side of the small 
council table again, like loaded

541
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,120
imagery of like them being on 
opposite sides of this very 

542
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,480
significant space that we now 
see them always having to kind 

543
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,720
of Duke it out with men in their
various like in their various 

544
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,800
castles. 
But the fact that we, we jump 

545
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,320
forward to like, oh, Allison has
already had a child and is now 

546
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360
pregnant with another. 
Like, you know, we, we lost a 

547
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,320
couple years there of, of what 
their types of interactions were

548
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,640
like. 
And we sort of jumped straight 

549
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,680
to them being just very frosty 
with one another and Rainier 

550
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,680
being like, are you commanding 
me as your queen? 

551
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,520
Like, cool, fine. 
And like. 

552
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,520
And you can tell that Allison 
just like so lonely. 

553
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,920
It it is really sad. 
It's like, I believe that that's

554
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,040
around the same time too, that 
Damon like, returns to the 

555
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,080
castle and Damon and Viserys 
both like pick on Allison a 

556
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,840
little bit for trying to be like
the queenly like, oh, OK, let's 

557
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,120
show you the tapestries. 
And they're in the tapestries. 

558
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,960
And I was like, sisters, don't 
bully your teenage pregnant 

559
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,240
wife. 
That's really mean. 

560
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,480
Yeah. 
She was being very polite, Yeah.

561
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,520
Yeah, and like you, that was 
again like adds to the to to me 

562
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,040
to the tragedy of the fact that 
Rainier then has that that break

563
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,120
of of lying to her and leads to 
that. 

564
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,880
Because you absolutely can sense
that there was a window there 

565
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,560
where Allison was like desperate
for a friend again. 

566
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,240
And like Rainier, could have 
probably slipped back in there 

567
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,280
and repaired it. 
But. 

568
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,160
And in that scene, they did kind
of have that reparation a bit. 

569
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,880
They, you know, Rainier 
accidentally says, I would hate 

570
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,800
to be, you know, pinned down and
just having babies living in it.

571
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Oh, my bad. 
Sorry. 

572
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,800
That's what you're doing right 
now. 

573
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Yeah. 
But it's. 

574
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,160
It's so awkward, the position 
they're in. 

575
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,320
Like she just wants to talk to 
her best friend and say the 

576
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,960
things that a best friend would 
do after being named Air, which 

577
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,880
she, you know, Rainier is not 
sure about this. 

578
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,320
Like, am I really going to be 
the Air if there's a boy born? 

579
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,720
And if there's a boy born, it's 
going to come from her best 

580
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,800
friend. 
Her best friend's child could 

581
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,040
usurp her. 
What a strange position to be 

582
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,080
in. 
And then her father's insisting 

583
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,640
that he's not going to do that. 
But meanwhile, everyone's 

584
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,480
pressuring her father to undo 
that. 

585
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,920
So is she really gonna sit there
and think, oh, sure, dad, he's 

586
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,200
not a pushover, He'll hold on. 
Like, obviously Viserys is kind 

587
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,680
of a pushover. 
So she has reason to believe 

588
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,160
that this won't hold. 
This scenario won't last. 

589
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,200
Yeah, plus, like the jump to 
like seeing that, OK, she's been

590
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,520
named heir, but she's still 
serving as just like cup bearer 

591
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,960
at the small council meetings. 
Like she's not really being. 

592
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,720
And again, we got some great 
dialogue from adult Rainier and 

593
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,080
the the recent episodes where 
she's saying like, my dad didn't

594
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,800
actually train me the way that a
boy would have been trained in 

595
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,480
my place. 
And it is now to my detriment 

596
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,320
that the men around me don't see
me as having had the same level 

597
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,040
of experience and guidance that 
Viserys would have given a son, 

598
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,200
or should have given a son, 
because he also didn't give it 

599
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:38,040
to his actual sons either. 
I was going to say another thing

600
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,120
that might put doubt in her mind
about this is she's not really 

601
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,480
being prepared for it. 
Even as the cupbearer, which may

602
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,200
be ostensibly as a sort of 
preparation, but she gets shut 

603
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,960
down. 
She tries to give some advice 

604
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,520
and get shut down. 
And as much as I want to give 

605
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,640
credit to Viserys for being more
diplomatic and avoiding war, I 

606
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,080
appreciate that. 
But he just did a terrible job 

607
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,480
as a father and I think mostly 
as a leader. 

608
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,480
He, because he even in private 
Renira tried to bring it up at 

609
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,040
dinner, shut down again. 
I mean she, I don't know what he

610
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,560
was thinking. 
Like I've said this a million 

611
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,760
times, I think he should have 
been traveling with her on 

612
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,920
dragon back to each main castle,
reminding everyone this is my 

613
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,360
air. 
These are our Dragons, don't 

614
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,360
forget. 
But instead she was a silent 

615
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,720
cupbearer, like she wasn't 
really prepared and the realm 

616
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,240
wasn't prepared for her to take 
over. 

617
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,040
Yeah, that was a total failure 
on Viserys's part that he 

618
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:38,200
clearly like thinks he did a 
fine job of like, like the not 

619
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,560
to jump too far ahead. 
But like, you know, when he's 

620
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,360
like looking over at the the 
various children being like, 

621
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,960
like, this is how boy, I'm like,
what world do you live in, dude?

622
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:48,880
I'm. 
Like. 

623
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,120
Your children are not friendly 
with one another and like 

624
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,400
they're more fragile than you 
think it is. 

625
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,480
He had a lot of blindness about 
that. 

626
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,000
Yeah. 
So when when Aegon is 2, this is

627
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,960
a part that maybe some of y'all 
forgot about. 

628
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Allison hears Viserys talk about
his dream and other Targaryen 

629
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,520
dreamers in front of that giant 
bonfire while he's drunk and 

630
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280
sad. 
And perhaps most importantly, he

631
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,640
questions his decision to name 
Ranira as the heir. 

632
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Allison. 
That's a planting a seed in her 

633
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200
mind that's going to. 
That's part of why when he says 

634
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,760
that thing on his deathbed that 
seeds already planted that he 

635
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,240
was. 
He did express doubt about her 

636
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,680
rule way before that in private 
to his wife and she would take 

637
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,120
that maybe as as something being
said in confidence, confidence 

638
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,920
which it kind of was. 
But it was also kind of he was 

639
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,160
really drunk, which as 1/5 as a 
what, 18 year old at the time. 

640
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,320
She may not have parched the two
as cleanly as a as an older 

641
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,120
person might have. 
And very pregnant now. 

642
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,480
Now that I've been that pregnant
I'm like no one asked me to do 

643
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,760
anything or think about anything
please. 

644
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,760
Super chat from Bogsy, by the 
way. 

645
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:04,320
Who says Congrats Kim? 
Yeah, so pressures start coming 

646
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,480
from more places. 
Sean correctly mentioned how 

647
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Viserys wasn't preparing 
Rainier, which didn't help her 

648
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,920
feeling of maybe eventually 
being set aside. 

649
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,360
I'm sure Meanwhile, Allison is 
getting all sorts of pressure 

650
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,040
from Otto to help pressure 
Viserys to name Aegon his heir. 

651
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,080
So it's a you daughter go ahead 
and do this. 

652
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,440
And he's doing it directly as 
well. 

653
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920
So they're trying to like double
team him and other people are 

654
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,679
doing this as well. 
Of course it never happens, but 

655
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,280
he eventually pivots or adds to 
his strategy, imparting this 

656
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,360
idea to Allison that Rainier 
will kill his her children one 

657
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,239
day. 
Like, which isn't out completely

658
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,639
out of the question, but he's 
very much exaggerating this 

659
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,480
claim, right? 
It's not by any means an 

660
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,800
automatic, but he kind of made 
it seem like it would be. 

661
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,080
So this is. 
Certainly it's like a self 

662
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,840
fulfilling prophecy in in some 
ways or or however you want to 

663
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,400
phrase it, like if you try to. 
Overthrow them. 

664
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,920
They certainly are going to 
maybe try to kill. 

665
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,920
Them right like by being so 
insistent that that's how this 

666
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,360
is going to play out, you all 
but guaranteed that that's how 

667
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,280
it's going to play out as 
opposed to taking this time when

668
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,320
everyone's still young to like 
let's let's bring everyone 

669
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,600
together. 
Let's make sure that there isn't

670
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,880
children being put to the sword 
upon anyone's ascension here. 

671
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,200
But no. 
It is a a sort of projection 

672
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,840
too, because that was Otto's 
plan. 

673
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480
When he's thrown, he's going to 
kill Renera's kids. 

674
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,440
So however much it he could or 
should believe that that would 

675
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,440
happen it, I don't think he was 
just trying to scare Allison. 

676
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,000
I think he did believe it, you 
know? 

677
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,360
Yeah, and Allison was just 
trying to convey what she 

678
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,440
thought was the truth at any 
given point. 

679
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,920
And like, again, for Otto to 
like, sure, like, yeah, I would 

680
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,760
be upset if my kid got me fired 
from, you know, my dream job. 

681
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,240
But. 
Don't. 

682
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,240
You know, you don't have to 
traumatize them in the process 

683
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:04,360
as. 
You leave. 

684
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,160
It's true. 
Yeah, that that's right. 

685
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,680
He did say that when he was 
leaving, didn't he? 

686
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,680
It was kind of like a little bit
of like a parting shot, almost 

687
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,520
like, well, she's going to kill 
all your children, so. 

688
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,440
And it was almost like he was 
like going to like leave without

689
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,680
actually like saying them. 
Like I feel like she approached 

690
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,680
him like when he was like about 
to just ride his horse right out

691
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,240
of there. 
He. 

692
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,960
Was bitter. 
Right. 

693
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,120
Yeah, a lot of dad failure 
across the board here. 

694
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,080
So to recap how some of that 
happened, just in case some of 

695
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,200
y'all forgot, as Sean pointed 
out, the whole Damon going out 

696
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,960
with Rainier thing came to a 
head in part because Damon just 

697
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,400
told Viserys what happened. 
Like Rainier said one thing, but

698
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,200
Damon just kind of admitted it 
all, you know? 

699
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,080
And, and not to mention Mazaria 
reporting some things. 

700
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,840
So Allison at first believes 
Rainier, but then starts to have

701
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,280
doubts because of these other 
alternate versions that come 

702
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,600
through. 
And, and of course, so she goes 

703
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,960
to do her own digging and goes 
to ask Kristen's like what do 

704
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,680
you know about? 
Oh, I yeah, I slept with her. 

705
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Wait, wait, you slept with her? 
He just drops that right off. 

706
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,600
Like he's so burdened with this 
guilt. 

707
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,080
He couldn't wait. 
Like he just needed to be like 

708
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,760
nudged to have that. 
He was like, Dupa, I'll tell you

709
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,400
anything. 
It's almost like blood when when

710
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,680
all Lars had to do was just like
unwrap the torture devices. 

711
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,720
He's like, you don't have to use
that. 

712
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,560
I'll tell you everything you 
know, I'll just tell you. 

713
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,240
So obviously Chris and Cole 
becomes a huge factor in their 

714
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,720
relationship. 
They notice him at the 

715
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:36,120
tournament, he's named to the 
Kingsguard, he's path Dornish, 

716
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,480
which I think they added that 
just purely to make him a 

717
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,600
slightly more conflicting 
character for a Hightower. 

718
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,160
Then there's the seduction, 
right? 

719
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,040
She she gets all hot and 
bothered with Damon, who just 

720
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,520
leaves her there 'cause he's got
erectile dysfunction and I guess

721
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,680
that's. 
What happened? 

722
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,160
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's kind of that's 

723
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,680
that's how some people describe 
it. 

724
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,560
It's it works for. 
Me. 

725
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,520
I don't know. 
Yeah, he couldn't perform right 

726
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,280
like he he couldn't. 
He couldn't. 

727
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,120
He just left. 
Yeah. 

728
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,320
And when we since we saw that 
before, it seems like a good 

729
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,920
theory, but there's other 
possibilities. 

730
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,520
Yeah, why he couldn't perform is
more arguable. 

731
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,080
But I think the fact that he if 
I think if he, if he could have,

732
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,200
he would have. 
And I think we see him other 

733
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,000
times having issues with that, 
with Mazaria and like things, 

734
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,320
things get on his mind and he's 
like, I don't want to have sex. 

735
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Huh. 
I for some reason always 

736
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,320
interpreted it as like as soon 
as she showed any enthusiasm, he

737
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,520
like I, I saw it as like a much 
more like sinister, like 

738
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,360
emotional manipulation abuse 
thing where like he didn't. 

739
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,160
Well, of course, of course, but 
like I think, I think that's. 

740
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,640
Why he can't get it up is that 
he feels guilt and we see in 

741
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,960
this season he does feel guilt 
over this whole. 

742
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,040
Good point. 
The guilt comes back now, yeah. 

743
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,320
That's why he felt guilty and he
couldn't go go through with it 

744
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,760
in that moment. 
And yeah, she was all, all, all 

745
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,800
into it, Yeah. 
That's why it's Millie Alcock 

746
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,320
and not Emma Darcy in those 
scenes, because it was young 

747
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,440
Rainier. 
This is that actress he those 

748
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,000
scenes. 
Happened. 

749
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200
Yeah. 
He feels, Yeah, he feels the 

750
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,040
guilt and the shame around that 
for sure. 

751
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,880
Yeah. 
That's so fascinating. 

752
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Also, just quick note that I 
remembered too, of like, why 

753
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,000
Allison? 
Why Allison kind of like flips 

754
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,640
in in that moment too, is like 
Laris is the one who tells her 

755
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,880
about Moon T being sent to her 
room. 

756
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:22,440
I am still like who actually did
that? 

757
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,960
Like, do we think Viserys was 
the one who ordered it or like, 

758
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,080
do we think it's possible that 
Laris, like, made sure that that

759
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,000
happened so that then he had a 
good report to send? 

760
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,800
The wiki save Viserys did it, 
I'm pretty sure that's how I 

761
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,960
interpreted it when it happened,
but I'm I guess there's some 

762
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,240
room for. 
That's what the maester says, 

763
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,360
But I I was always like, for 
whatever reason, I was always 

764
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,760
like, hmm, if that's like a 
pretty good, that's just like a 

765
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,160
pretty good clue for anyone to 
have. 

766
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,480
Like a servant would potentially
be able to be aware of it. 

767
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,720
Like Laris obviously knows that 
it happened. 

768
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,920
And like that's another that's 
part of what leads Allison to be

769
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,960
like, huh, Rainier's not telling
me the whole truth. 

770
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,680
If she got a, you know, midnight
delivery of moon team. 

771
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,280
So schemes were potentially 
afoot. 

772
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,280
But yes. 
That all led to to the bigs for 

773
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,360
Kristen reveal. 
The big reveal. 

774
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,320
So he eventually tries to run 
off with Rainier. 

775
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,400
That doesn't work out. 
And then he goes to kill himself

776
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,840
and Allison saves him, which is 
huge because he becomes indebted

777
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,920
to her. 
And then they become inseparable

778
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,640
for a long time. 
They don't start their 

779
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,240
relationship for quite a while. 
We'll come back to that later 

780
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,400
because it's quite a while 
before it starts. 

781
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,560
He becomes Lord Commander of the
Kingsguard, but doesn't really 

782
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,800
change how he behaves still kind
of like her personal sworn 

783
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,760
shield. 
Like he continues to behave like

784
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,840
that's his main role. 
And but in the context of our 

785
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,800
discussion today as this 
pertains to Rainier and Allison,

786
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,960
he's like Otto is the constant 
like, oh, she's your enemy 

787
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,680
presence, the Angel, the devil 
on her, her shoulder. 

788
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,400
Kristen is the she's a bad 
person devil on her shoulder. 

789
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,720
We're constantly saying Rainier 
is a bad person. 

790
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,800
Rainier is disloyal. 
She's he's, you know, uses much 

791
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,520
worse words, like she calls her 
a spider, calls her the C word. 

792
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,240
And Anna's just as protective 
about Allison when if someone 

793
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,080
says something bad about her, 
he's like, oh, no, it's 

794
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,880
Rainier's fault that Allison 
would do that. 

795
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,840
You know, I said that to Eamon. 
So this is part of reinforcing 

796
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,400
Allison's beliefs. 
It's certainly an influence. 

797
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,880
Like you have her own takes 
wouldn't be nearly as negative 

798
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,280
if this person she's around all 
the time, just constantly 

799
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,760
negative about Rainier and 
constantly in her ear about 

800
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,520
she's bad, she's on immoral, 
she's etcetera. 

801
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,040
Yeah, she's a spider. 
Yeah, like, again, for for 

802
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,520
Allison to be the one who has 
always wanted to adhere the most

803
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,320
to custom and like norms. 
The fact that Cole is sitting 

804
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,600
there as being like, you know, 
right near as the reason why I 

805
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,160
have sullied my white cloak and 
like I'm I practically wanted I 

806
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,080
was going to kill myself. 
Plus, you know, we can't forget 

807
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,960
that he beat someone to death 
simply because they dare. 

808
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,720
Just kidding. 
Like, you know, Kristen Cole was

809
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,400
racking up a lot of his own 
guilt and shame of of his 

810
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,480
behavior and his inability to 
kind of hold multiple truths at 

811
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,200
once, which might be like, I can
have a complex relationship with

812
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,240
the Princess and also be an 
honorable knight. 

813
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,640
No. 
OK. 

814
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,560
And so. 
I, I do want to point out at 

815
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,800
least once when Cole talked bad 
about Raniera, Allison snapped 

816
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,760
back at him. 
She's like, hey, watch your 

817
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,640
language. 
Like, we're, we're supposed to 

818
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,600
be the, the side of, you know, 
honor. 

819
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,920
And that wasn't a very honorable
thing to say. 

820
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,800
And he kind of feels bad. 
And in the meantime, whatever 

821
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,360
Cole or Otto, whoever's saying 
Allison is cheating on her 

822
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,040
husband. 
Allison is having children with 

823
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,240
another like and it's oh. 
No, you've been reading, you 

824
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,680
said Allison. 
I was so confused. 

825
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,800
I was like, whoa, Sean, it's the
crackpot theory. 

826
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,080
OK? 
No, no, no, right here. 

827
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,080
Right. 
Yeah, fair enough. 

828
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,760
Right, like Allison did her duty
and freaking diseased, falling 

829
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,240
apart Viscera. 
She's still having sex with him 

830
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,800
and Renera, who had this 
marriage to bring about this 

831
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,680
alliance to a kind. 
Of attractive man. 

832
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,320
Attractive man. 
Yeah, like she. 

833
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,080
Got a good deal and that's not 
good enough. 

834
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,760
She's still going to have sex 
with another guy and it's clear 

835
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,680
to everyone like this is very 
disruptive to politics. 

836
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,280
Morales, I don't know the the 
alliance itself, on and on and 

837
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,520
on. 
True, these people are in 

838
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Allison's ear about what a 
problem or near is, but she 

839
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,200
doesn't really need them in her 
ear about it. 

840
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,240
It's she's Rene is creating the 
problem. 

841
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,480
Everyone is seeing it. 
I also feel like we have to talk

842
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,720
about or at least briefly talk 
about like the the whole scene 

843
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:48,880
while Rainier is having her 
escapade out in the city with 

844
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,200
Damon, you know, exploring her 
life, getting to do the whole 

845
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,600
like we're free and we get to 
break the rules kind of attitude

846
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,960
that Viserys summoning her to 
his room. 

847
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,680
Like after we see that shot of 
her just like sadly, almost like

848
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,440
disassociating, comforting her 
baby in the middle of the night.

849
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,480
And then like tells her servant 
like it's pretty late. 

850
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,200
And the servants like, yeah, I 
know, but like he's called you. 

851
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,960
And then just like that, however
many second shot of her just 

852
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,440
like laying there while the 
Sarah's has sex with her is like

853
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:27,720
was such a deliberate and stark 
contrast of like what her sexual

854
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:31,560
experiences have been like and 
how sort of coercive they have 

855
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:37,520
been and completely without any 
type of pleasure and like barely

856
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,440
with her consent. 
I would argue like was just 

857
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,880
really brutal. 
And I think, of course, adds to 

858
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,760
the way that she feels 
resentment over Rainier seeming 

859
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,640
to have like get her cake and 
eat it too in a way. 

860
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,960
And like, you know, Kristen 
Cole, you know, Allison was the 

861
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,520
one who said like, God, he's 
Dornish. 

862
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,560
And then it's like, oh, Rainier 
gets to like, lose her virginity

863
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,960
with the sexy night, like in the
comfort of her own bedroom, 

864
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,480
where is like Allison just being
called in the middle of the 

865
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,760
night to this old man's room 
while he has sex with her in a 

866
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,120
way that she clearly isn't 
enjoying. 

867
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,440
Like just, you know. 
'Cause she was probably 

868
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,520
attracted to Damon a little bit,
if not a lot and and and Kristen

869
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,880
Cole, 'cause that came later. 
So she was clearly She was 

870
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,320
almost certainly attracted to 
him back then too, before their 

871
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,520
relationship began. 
Yeah. 

872
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,920
Add that to the repression of 
potential feelings she may have 

873
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,120
had by Rainier, and she's just 
like just a ball of like, I 

874
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,000
can't do anything. 
So you kind of understand now 

875
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,800
it's on. 
It's unfair to put all of that 

876
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,520
on to Rainiera, but yeah, it 
makes sense that it makes sense 

877
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,480
that it would be. 
It's kind of human to feel that.

878
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,880
Way. 
Yeah, it's understandable 

879
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,600
character development. 
Yeah, yeah. 

880
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,800
So we're getting to our halfway 
point. 

881
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,520
One last question before that 
though. 

882
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,440
Did would you say, Kim, that 
when she came out in the green 

883
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,840
dress at the wedding and called 
her stepdaughter, was that like 

884
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,320
kind of the official first 
ending of their friendship or 

885
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,760
was that maybe just one of the 
bumps in the road? 

886
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,760
I don't know, maybe would make 
too big a deal out of that, but 

887
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,960
it was. 
So it's so famous. 

888
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,440
It's in the intro weave now. 
I think it was certainly like a 

889
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,400
line in the sand, like, you 
know, like a green line. 

890
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,400
Yeah. 
Like I think that as we've, as 

891
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,760
we've discussed, like all of 
branches were maybe being 

892
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,320
extended before that attempts 
were being made to continue 

893
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,360
communicating. 
And that was, I think, her being

894
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,840
like, I am no longer going to 
trust anything you tell me. 

895
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,680
And I'm going to act in like, 
not only, I think, was she 

896
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,920
drawing a line against Reinira, 
but against Viserys, too, Pretty

897
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,160
clearly, right? 
Like, no, I'm not going to show 

898
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,320
up and be, like, your perfect 
little wife. 

899
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,240
Like, I am officially, like, 
crafting my own agenda here and 

900
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,360
doing what I can to, like, 
regain some sense of agency. 

901
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,200
And yeah, that meant, I think, 
putting a pretty definitive end 

902
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,360
to the type of relationship that
she had had with Reinira and 

903
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Viserys up until that point, 
perhaps. 

904
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,320
My question about that moment 
is, did Ranira realize that 

905
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,840
Allison knew? 
That's the thing that I always 

906
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,640
wondered. 
She might. 

907
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,200
I think she should feel like 
yeah. 

908
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,800
I'm also like, she was kind of 
busy, you know? 

909
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,560
That's true. 
Dancing with Sir Harlan. 

910
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,840
She wants to start with Damon 
like. 

911
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,880
Checking out those hot more 
other hot Valerians in there and

912
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,080
all the other people. 
Yeah. 

913
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,400
Maybe she was looking at Lena. 
You know, that that was a book 

914
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,200
relationship they had, right. 
And she was she was there too. 

915
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,000
Yeah. 
All right. 

916
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,240
So moving past this early phase,
we have the the funeral and 

917
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,240
Eamon claiming Vegar, he loses 
his eye. 

918
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:39,520
Allison slashes Rainier in 
response. 

919
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:42,640
In that dramatic moment where 
they both just unleash on each 

920
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,960
other with some of their 
frustrations, the very things 

921
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,240
that they really wanted to say 
to each other that they had been

922
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,320
holding back what have duty, 
what have sacrificed or now we 

923
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,520
see who you really are. 
Those these lines that were 

924
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,280
shown to us in the earliest of 
trailers, some of the first 

925
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,600
lines we ever heard about the 
show. 

926
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,920
Nothing on nothing like 
unleashing on your best friend 

927
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,440
because of perceived harm to 
your children or especially if 

928
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,080
there's an implication that 
there will be more. 

929
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,080
So then they're separated and 
basically don't see each other 

930
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,560
very much for almost six years. 
And with that, it's a good time 

931
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,920
for us to take a short break and
come back to discuss the rest. 

932
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,600
We are big fans of Magic Mind 
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933
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934
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,720
putting out like 4 episodes a 
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935
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,120
season. 
And you know, it's hard to stay 

936
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,800
focused and and be full of 
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937
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,760
that much talking and writing. 
But you know, as much as fun as 

938
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939
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941
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942
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944
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945
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946
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947
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948
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949
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950
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951
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952
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That's a good call. 
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953
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954
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955
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956
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,560
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957
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958
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,840
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959
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,680
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960
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,440
And it's pretty tasty. 
I like it. 

961
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,880
You know, I. 
Actually really like the taste a

962
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,640
lot. 
I love adding it to my drinks 

963
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,400
just to make it taste better. 
Like to make to make the drink. 

964
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,680
Taste better to be clear, not 
the magic like I think the magic

965
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,760
mind makes my drink taste 
better. 

966
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,160
I agree it's really good. 
It's you'd think like a a drink 

967
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,640
that has all these like things 
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968
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,720
might not taste good. 
It's like those things don't 

969
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:06,640
always align. 
Very. 

970
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Well. 
But it's good. 

971
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,040
It's like kind of lemony, a 
little bit fruity. 

972
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,640
Well, how would you describe the
taste, Sean? 

973
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,200
I I don't like it straight up as
much as you guys might. 

974
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,680
It's it's, I think it's a little
bitter and a little sour. 

975
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,200
It's a little strong. 
I mean, it's just kind of a 

976
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,320
concentrated thing. 
It's not like disgusting. 

977
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,200
I just don't, it's not as good 
as like a sweet soda or 

978
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,520
something like that. 
But I mix it with the the naked 

979
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:32,760
green machine and and it's, it's
flavor becomes very minor mixed 

980
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,080
in with all that. 
But but I, I love it and I threw

981
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,840
out working out because it has 
helped me. 

982
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,120
I you know, when I hurt my knee 
last year, I've had to do. 

983
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,320
You have major surgeries you 
were working out. 

984
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,640
And I've had from yeah, for a 
long time and it's I feel like I

985
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,560
just have less energy or sorry, 
more energy. 

986
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,800
I feel like whoops, I'm able to 
work out longer without getting 

987
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,240
exhausted or burnt out or 
whatever. 

988
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,840
Right on. 
What about you, Shay? 

989
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,480
You mix it with your fruit 
drinks too, right? 

990
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Yeah, I like to mix it with a 
cran watermelon. 

991
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,360
I think it matches really well. 
It's kind of like a matcha 

992
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,720
flavor. 
But I mix it with other things, 

993
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:04,640
other juices. 
I sometimes I'm like excited. 

994
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,400
I'm like, oh, I wonder how this 
will pair with my juice today, 

995
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,400
you know? 
And I am not a caffeine drinker.

996
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,920
Traditionally. 
I don't drink. 

997
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,720
I've never been a coffee or 
energy drink drinker or anything

998
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,880
like that. 
So for me, it's my my first 

999
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,280
experience with kind of a drink 
that gives me a little bit of a 

1000
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,480
pep both, you know, somewhat 
psychologically a placebo 

1001
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,720
effect, but also just I think it
does work, but I've never had 

1002
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,400
any experience with any of that.
And I think it makes me feel 

1003
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:32,720
more productive at the very 
least. 

1004
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,880
Yep. 
So they both drink it different 

1005
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,040
ways with the mixers. 
I drink it straight. 

1006
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,360
Who knows how you will prefer 
it, but give it a try. 

1007
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,720
VIP how? 
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1008
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,720
Again, you can cancel with no 
further commitment after you 

1009
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,240
tried it or if you like it. 
Well, we're going to have more 

1010
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,240
deals coming forward in the 
future months for those of you 

1011
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:51,360
who do like it. 
So yeah, we're there now a long,

1012
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,760
we have a long term commitment 
from them. 

1013
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,120
We're going to be talking about 
them every once in awhile and 

1014
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,000
that's great. 
We love having, we love having 

1015
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,800
that part of our show. 
It helps us, helps us work 

1016
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,320
better. 
So that's that. 

1017
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Let's let's move on. 
You know, the Princess and the 

1018
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,800
Queen, as I mentioned in the 
beginning, was the novella that 

1019
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,840
introduced us to these 
characters before the World of 

1020
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,840
Ice and Power came out. 
There's an audio book version of

1021
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,240
that read by Ian Glenn. 
If you all recall, that's Jorah 

1022
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:20,080
Mormont, right, who were Jorah's
two biggest associations, a 

1023
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,720
Hightower and a Targaryen, when 
this Hightower, Daenerys 

1024
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,880
Targaryen boom. 
So it's all connected, my 

1025
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,800
friends. 
That's right, love it. 

1026
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,880
So before they we jump all the 
way to season 2, right, we have 

1027
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,920
the the dinner where they 
actually do have a reprieve. 

1028
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,120
This is kind of helps heal some 
of their relationship. 

1029
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,240
They toast each other. 
It goes pretty well. 

1030
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:45,120
In fact, it goes extremely well 
all around, minus the kerfuffle 

1031
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,440
at the end with Amond and and 
Luke and and Jace and all that. 

1032
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,200
But considering how well they 
those folks usually get along, 

1033
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,160
this is better than maybe could 
have hoped for, you know? 

1034
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,720
Who ordered Pig for that? 
They should have just not had 

1035
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,480
that on the menu. 
That should have just been like,

1036
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,320
no pig allowed. 
Yeah, another just more just not

1037
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,360
paying attention. 
Viseris like, well, probably not

1038
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,760
Viseris's fault. 
We shouldn't put it on Viseris 

1039
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,080
when he was in that state. 
But yeah, someone should have 

1040
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,360
checked the menu. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1041
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,760
Rainier And Allison comes out 
and says Rainier will be a fine 

1042
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,960
queen right in front of her 
family. 

1043
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Right. 
But it's also that night that 

1044
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,120
Viserys babbles about the 
prophecy in his sleep and 

1045
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,480
Allison misunderstands. 
And as we pointed out before, 

1046
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,080
she was a little bit primed for 
this, even though she just said 

1047
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,240
Rainier is a going to be a great
queen. 

1048
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:32,440
Well, it's not her call. 
It's Viserys call who who's 

1049
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,240
going to be queen or not or 
king. 

1050
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,320
And she, you know, I know it's 
pretty easy from where we're 

1051
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,320
sitting to say how could she 
possibly have interpreted that 

1052
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,840
way? 
But again, this isn't her first 

1053
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,880
exposure to this concept. 
The the night at the fire with 

1054
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,480
drinking and all that, and it 
must have been pretty hard for 

1055
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,840
her. 
But at the same time, you know, 

1056
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,280
it's not her call. 
And, and Vasara said what he 

1057
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,320
said. 
I think it's also made very 

1058
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,680
clear that like even if that had
not happened, like Otto 

1059
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,480
etcetera, like they all had the 
plans in place anyways, like the

1060
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,880
coup would have happened 
regardless. 

1061
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,800
It just was a smoother process I
think in that small council room

1062
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,360
because Allison also happened to
believe that that's what Vasaris

1063
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,920
wanted. 
So she she fought the let's go 

1064
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,840
kill them right away scheme, but
she was on board more. 

1065
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,240
But, you know, it's not hard to 
believe that had she had that 

1066
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,120
final, you know, exchange not 
happen between her and Viscera 

1067
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,640
slash. 
I was barely even like an 

1068
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,600
exchange. 
You know, it was more of a a 

1069
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,040
receiving of final words. 
You know, I think that things 

1070
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,960
probably would have played out 
similarly, but just with 

1071
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,360
Allison's in a much more 
disadvantaged position. 

1072
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,480
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think Tyler and 

1073
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,960
Lannister even said 
specifically, oh, so we can 

1074
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,360
proceed with our long laid plans
with more confidence now, like 

1075
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,040
they were doing it one or the 
other. 

1076
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,760
I even think that if Allison 
hadn't heard those final words 

1077
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,240
and went to that council, she 
might have put up more of a 

1078
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,440
fight and might have ended up 
like Rainies. 

1079
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,760
Just find her quarters like I, 
I. 

1080
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,000
Don't. 
Not bees buried, No. 

1081
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,080
I don't think she would be 
buried like Otto is not going to

1082
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,280
allow his daughter, but I don't 
might lock her daughter up, you 

1083
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,080
know? 
Yeah, for her own good or 

1084
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,120
whatever. 
For sure. 

1085
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,880
She clearly those final words 
did not actually cause the the 

1086
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,240
seizing of the throne by the 
Greens to happen. 

1087
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:24,040
No, it just it just threw a a 
monkey wrench in Allison 

1088
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,600
Raniera's relationship as well, 
because from Raniera's 

1089
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,640
perspective, she doesn't know 
about the prophecy 

1090
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,560
misunderstanding. 
This looks extremely this looks 

1091
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,800
extremely two faced. 
Like you just said, I'd be a 

1092
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,520
great queen. 
And then like a day later, 

1093
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,640
you're pushing your son like, 
did you lie ball to my face? 

1094
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,920
And of course, they, they do 
talk about this a bit later when

1095
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,560
they have their Sept meeting and
they both have to get over 

1096
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,400
these, you know, or get past 
these things that really look 

1097
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,800
bad, like from where the other 
one is sitting if they don't 

1098
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,840
have the context as to why the 
the other one made the decision 

1099
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,360
that they did. 
Yeah, and, and and it like 

1100
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,600
allows Allison to be much more 
like, to feel much more 

1101
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,280
righteous about what's 
happening, even though she 

1102
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,160
understands that it's like bad 
and awful. 

1103
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,920
But like, she does truly think 
that she's carrying out her 

1104
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,320
husband's dying wish until she 
doesn't. 

1105
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,640
Which is another reason why I 
just love that stepped scene 

1106
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,240
because it you watch the gears 
change in her head of being 

1107
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,000
like, Oh no, like I have to 
actually confront what I've done

1108
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
here in a way that I didn't 
before. 

1109
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,080
You know, there's another 
interesting little thing that 

1110
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,360
happened in that council 
meeting. 

1111
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,440
We're talking about Cole's 
relationship earlier, if you 

1112
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,680
remember, he he slams bees. 
Berry's head ends up killing him

1113
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:40,640
and Westland, the Lord Commander
like draws his sword like he's 

1114
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,200
going to fire Cole from the he's
like, you know, tells him drop 

1115
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,920
your sword and Cole turns the 
sword on him and won't do it. 

1116
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,160
And Allison says, you know, 
there's no need for this. 

1117
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,160
I I wasn't offended. 
Lower your sword. 

1118
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,200
OK. 
And Cole Ensemble over here, I 

1119
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,760
think is acting as sworn 
protector to Queen Allison, more

1120
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,160
so than, you know, Knight 
Kingsguard. 

1121
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,040
Yeah, so he wasn't Lord 
Commander yet at least. 

1122
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,160
But you're right, I still agree 
with you. 

1123
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,720
In the in the context there, 
Otto is effectively ordering 

1124
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,520
Westerling to go execute Runner 
and her family, right? 

1125
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,680
Yeah. 
But when he refuses to do it 

1126
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,120
now, obviously this is something
Allison specifically doesn't 

1127
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,400
want. 
It's like, whatever, you guys, 

1128
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,360
whoever should be on the throne,
there's no chance Viserys wanted

1129
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,680
his daughter to be murdered, 
right? 

1130
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,560
That that's not what we're 
supposed to do here. 

1131
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,840
So after Westlink's fired or or 
quits or whatever, Otto now 

1132
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,520
can't really give that command 
anymore. 

1133
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,840
Who can he now tell to go 
execute like Cole? 

1134
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,400
No way Cole's doing it. 
Which probably means no one else

1135
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,800
in a Kingsguard. 
Like I think Cole's relationship

1136
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:48,040
with Allison there stopped the 
arrest and execution of the 

1137
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,800
blacks. 
He didn't think of sending Arik 

1138
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,760
like Cole did later. 
That wouldn't have. 

1139
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,800
That wouldn't have worked. 
Then Eric hadn't defected, But 

1140
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,800
still, yeah, you're right. 
That's that's all very 

1141
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,280
interesting the way that played 
out between those kings card and

1142
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,120
and like, if Cole had actually 
fought Westerling, he probably 

1143
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,360
would have won. 
But if he had lost, and maybe 

1144
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,040
maybe that's not, you know, the 
most likely scenario, most 

1145
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,080
likely Cole wins that fight, but
it's not a sure thing. 

1146
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,120
And if they lose, then all of a 
sudden they're Cole's dead and 

1147
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,200
the only guy with a sword in 
that room is Westerling. 

1148
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,160
He can just do it. 
He's like you're all you're all 

1149
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,480
under arrest or they don't want 
to take that risk. 

1150
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,880
So Kristen Cole of course is is 
becomes up huge again and right 

1151
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,920
again at the beginning of season
2, though season 2 is not 

1152
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,360
chronologically very far after 
season one. 

1153
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,920
They had been growing apart 
Rainier and Allison while trying

1154
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,360
to restart their friendship and 
at least finding some common 

1155
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,480
ground if not respect before it 
all fell apart again after 

1156
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Viserys death. 
And another misunderstanding 

1157
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,480
that, as you all pointed out, 
wasn't crucial to the events 

1158
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,240
playing out the way they did, 
but definitely affected their 

1159
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,880
view of each other. 
Now, Season 2 has their roles 

1160
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,560
reversing somewhat. 
Allison starts gradually losing 

1161
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,680
power until we get to the point 
where we're at when we're 

1162
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,160
recording this at Episode 6, 
where she just lost her council 

1163
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,680
seat. 
Eamon doesn't really have 

1164
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,320
anything to do with her anymore.
She's Kristen Cole's in the 

1165
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,800
field, Gwen Hightower's in the 
field. 

1166
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,240
Otto's not there. 
She has very little power, 

1167
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,160
probably the least power she's 
had since she was Emily Carey, 

1168
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,680
you know, And then and Rainier, 
I meanwhile, is gaining more 

1169
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,680
power, but also kind of 
struggling to wield her 

1170
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,760
authority in in ways that 
Allison was struggling with when

1171
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,840
she had that similar level of 
authority. 

1172
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,280
Not quite as high, but so we 
have them going in opposite 

1173
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,720
directions. 
I'd say Allison's is softening 

1174
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,200
as her proximity to power goes 
away. 

1175
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,040
She could focus more on being a 
mother. 

1176
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,280
It's not necessarily what she 
wanted. 

1177
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,480
It's not necessarily what her 
life prepared her for, but it's 

1178
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,960
where she's at. 
Rainier, on the other hand, is 

1179
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,240
having to be more of a queen. 
And as we've seen in this recent

1180
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:48,560
episode, she's turning to 
certain tools to inform her 

1181
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,160
authority and make people fear 
her a bit more. 

1182
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,920
That's something that maybe 
Allison never quite had, but 

1183
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,560
sort of did because one of the 
reasons Allison had so much 

1184
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,960
power is because Kristen Cole 
was always by her side. 

1185
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,000
And it was kind of like Cersei 
having the Mountain at her side.

1186
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,480
It was people would think twice 
about not doing what she wanted.

1187
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,240
So we start one of the earliest 
things in Season 2 is seeing 

1188
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,080
that, oh, now Allison and 
Kristen Cole are sleeping 

1189
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,280
together. 
And it's full of just. 

1190
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,560
Weird subtext and vibes like 
they're doing it in the bed 

1191
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,160
Rainier used to sleep in. 
The bed Rainier lost from 

1192
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,800
Virginia to Kristen Cole in 
Yeah, exactly like what is. 

1193
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,000
In either, like Rainier doesn't 
know this is even happening, so 

1194
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,600
we can set her aside briefly, 
But a what? 

1195
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,800
What is in Allison's head? 
She knows that was Rainier's 

1196
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,680
bed. 
She knows Al Rainier slept with 

1197
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,440
Cole. 
Time in there with her, you 

1198
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,960
know, right? 
Like, more time than Cole's even

1199
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,680
spent with with Rainier. 
She has more memories in that 

1200
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,480
room than Cole does, right? 
For sure. 

1201
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,120
Like what is in Allison's head 
when she's like, am I? 

1202
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,680
Is this me getting the life that
I wanted, living life like 

1203
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,280
Ryneiro would? 
Or is this just, is it something

1204
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,240
else? 
What do you think about this 

1205
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,880
dynamic in general, Kim? 
This is super kind of hard to to

1206
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,920
get at, but very interesting. 
It was, yeah, it, it kind of 

1207
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,120
caught me off guard. 
And I was also like, wait a 

1208
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,400
second, how long has this been 
happening? 

1209
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,480
Like, I my, my assumption was 
like, oh, this has been going on

1210
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,880
and we're just now seeing it for
whatever reason. 

1211
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,160
But apparently, like, I believe 
actors or director, maybe Ryan 

1212
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,600
Condill himself have confirmed 
that. 

1213
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:29,120
No, like, this is something that
started up after Viserys died, 

1214
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,720
which I think is also 
interesting. 

1215
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,800
And yeah, so then it reads to me
more like Allison is attempting 

1216
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,400
to have her own little side 
quest of I get to do whatever I 

1217
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,160
want. 
I get to experience sex for 

1218
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,120
pleasure like I finally get to 
have. 

1219
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,280
It's not as. 
Immoral in her eyes, like it's 

1220
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,320
still not righteous, but she's 
not cheating on her husband, the

1221
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,680
king. 
You know, like she. 

1222
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,760
I don't. 
I think it would have been far 

1223
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,040
more unreasonable for me to 
imagine Allison doing this while

1224
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,840
Viserys was alive. 
Yeah, it's still like breaks 

1225
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,960
the. 
Kingsguard role and all that. 

1226
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,640
It's still just like, you know, 
seducing someone that shouldn't 

1227
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:06,440
be seduced. 
But you're right. 

1228
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,800
It's not cheating on the king. 
It's a big difference like this.

1229
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,880
It's not it's, it's, it's not 
treason anymore. 

1230
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,640
It's still bad, but not treason.
And it's like this is perhaps 

1231
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,560
the first time that she has felt
since she was a teenager that 

1232
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,760
her body is no longer meant to 
be solely of service to the 

1233
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,960
realm. 
Like, she has already produced 

1234
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,920
the heirs. 
One of her children is now king 

1235
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,320
like that part of her life of, 
like, you know, I need to be The

1236
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,080
Good Wife who lets my husband 
have sex with me when I feel 

1237
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,800
like it. 
And pops out kids whenever I'm 

1238
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,600
supposed to like that. 
That's gone. 

1239
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,840
So now she is, yeah. 
Experiencing sex on her own 

1240
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,440
terms, perhaps. 
And yeah, it it is a little bit 

1241
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,000
hypocritical or just going 
against, I think some of the 

1242
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,600
reasons why Allison and Cole 
have, you know, held so much 

1243
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,000
fury or whatever you want to 
call it against Rainier. 

1244
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,920
But I'm all you know, Allison 
deserves to explore her life on 

1245
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:07,640
her own terms. 
Did. 

1246
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,600
You make a good point too, about
it being kind of more on 

1247
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,480
Allisons terms here, because the
sex act we see are Allison being

1248
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,160
pleasured, right? 
Like Kristen going down on her. 

1249
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,000
We don't see Allison going down 
on him. 

1250
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,000
That's not what this is about, 
right? 

1251
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,280
Yeah, I don't know. 
She's on top, Yeah, the end 

1252
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,160
there, even though that's 
probably more traumatic maybe 

1253
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,920
for Elena to walk in on a view 
of. 

1254
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,080
But like, right. 
Like she's it. 

1255
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,240
They are. 
Of all the sex scenes that we've

1256
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,600
seen in House the Dragon so far,
they're the most female 

1257
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,040
centered. 
You know, I have agency here. 

1258
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,760
I'm doing something that is I'm 
I'm deriving pleasure first. 

1259
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:45,840
Yeah. 
You get much. 

1260
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,320
More that like, she's like, I'm 
going to get off right? 

1261
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,200
Then you then you see that it's 
about Kristen's pleasure. 

1262
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,600
I mean, even when it comes down 
to her like abusing him, like 

1263
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,680
physically assaulting him, 
right? 

1264
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,960
Like getting a little a little 
rough like it. 

1265
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,600
It's much more her, you know, 
leading things. 

1266
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,520
Yeah, she's clearly higher on 
the authority totem there, and 

1267
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,560
he's been subordinate to her 
since the beginning. 

1268
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,320
And then she's higher born. 
She's, you know, he's a knight, 

1269
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:10,600
he's supposed to protect women, 
etcetera. 

1270
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,160
There's just so many cultural 
elements that that set it up 

1271
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,840
this way. 
Which is also like Christian 

1272
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,960
just can't seem to escape these 
power dynamic like romance, sex 

1273
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,080
things where like I I it's. 
Just too hot. 

1274
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,920
Yeah, but I mean, I do kind of 
feel for ice skating. 

1275
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,480
Thank goodness I escaped all 
that. 

1276
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,440
Too hot for celibacy? 
But no, you feel for, I don't 

1277
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,240
know, maybe most people don't 
feel for Christian. 

1278
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,440
I feel for Kristen. 
I'm like, if I'm in his shoes, 

1279
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,920
we don't see how this got 
started and if I'm Kristen and 

1280
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,320
the the queen like it. 
Was the same. 

1281
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,120
It would be really hard for him 
to say no. 

1282
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,400
Yeah, you know. 
He's knocking the Yeah, he 

1283
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,920
enjoys it. 
He likes Allison, all of these. 

1284
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,120
Things he's not being. 
Coerced, forced or anything but 

1285
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:55,040
he's not able to just like. 
She saved his life like he feels

1286
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,560
like he owes her his life like 
she can't say no to her in like 

1287
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,320
anything like. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1288
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,360
And like the fact that Rainier 
was the one who elevated him to 

1289
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,680
the Kingsguard position in the 
1st place, I think is also so 

1290
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,880
fascinating. 
Like part of the subtext, part 

1291
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,600
of the subtext, like a that it 
was like seen as a great honor. 

1292
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,760
But also even Rainier doing that
was Rainier going against the 

1293
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,720
custom of the time. 
Like he was not the favored 

1294
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,680
person for the Kingsguard, but 
she selected him specifically 

1295
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,600
because he had battle experience
in a way that no one else did. 

1296
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,880
Which again, now we see we get 
the full impact of that in 

1297
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,600
Season 2 here, now that he's 
actually the one leading all of 

1298
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,760
the battle strategy as war 
breaks out entirely. 

1299
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,800
Yeah. 
I just, there's there's a lot 

1300
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,280
going on there with Cole. 
And I find him incredibly 

1301
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,720
frustrating as like the 
malleability I think of his 

1302
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:52,520
morals to sort of suit his ego 
or to like to affirm what he 

1303
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,680
thinks is right in the moment 
versus like, actually taking 

1304
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,280
into account complexity in the 
world and like what? 

1305
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,720
I don't know, other other 
options. 

1306
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,920
Like, I'm like, OK, Like, you 
know, he jumped straight from 

1307
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,760
like, I, I absolutely think that
the, the dynamic between Rainier

1308
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:18,200
and Cole and their sex scene was
much more to me, like, coercive 

1309
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,760
and like, he really was trying 
to say no. 

1310
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,800
And Rainier really pushed him 
beyond his comfort. 

1311
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,360
Whereas Yeah. 
And like the end, while we don't

1312
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,680
see how it starts with Allison, 
I do think that it's fascinating

1313
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,680
to see like, the difference 
between like, God, like the slow

1314
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,880
scene of him removing his white 
cloak before he had sex. 

1315
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:43,120
With me and. 
Like how like they did the 

1316
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,040
reverse where like he's, he's 
just like, all right, that was 

1317
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,040
like, all right, put my cloak 
back on. 

1318
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,360
Like he seemed so much more LAX 
about the fact that like his 

1319
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,280
cloak was being sullied by that 
behavior. 

1320
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:58,480
And then again he like does the 
mega projection with Eric when 

1321
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:59,160
he. 
Oh yeah. 

1322
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,840
Dirty clothes, yeah. 
You've dirty dirt cloak. 

1323
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,720
It's physically dirty. 
It's actual dirt. 

1324
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,520
Yeah, like this is metaphorical 
dirt aside. 

1325
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,720
That's why I'm so curious, like 
you said, Kim, to know how it 

1326
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,560
got started. 
I was dying to know who, like 

1327
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,520
how it was initiated and what 
circumstances. 

1328
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:17,720
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1329
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,040
So curious. 
What would Rainiera think if she

1330
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,160
knew? 
This is a big what if? 

1331
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,200
Like if Rainier found out 
somehow and it is possible that 

1332
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,840
at some point in the story it 
comes up, she she learns that 

1333
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,880
Rainiera that Allison and and 
Kristen Cole had a relationship.

1334
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,560
Would it be like what? 
What any idea? 

1335
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,040
Like I'm not even sure how she 
would react. 

1336
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:38,120
She'd be maybe confused, be 
like, huh, that's interesting. 

1337
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,640
Like really Allison sleeping 
with the Kingsguard? 

1338
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,960
Like she's really. 
Yeah, I think she'd just be 

1339
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,000
surprised that Allison was 
sleeping with anyone, you know, 

1340
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,960
like, I think that's what would 
surprise her more than anything.

1341
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,920
And I think she'd I think she'd 
be bothered and then not kind of

1342
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,280
like know why she feels 
bothered. 

1343
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,200
And she thinks she felt she 
feels bothered because of 

1344
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,960
Kristen. 
And she kind of realizes she's 

1345
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,120
more bothered about, like, 
someone slept with Allison. 

1346
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,840
You know, I think she would not 
realize why she was bristling 

1347
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,400
about it. 
But then, and maybe she would 

1348
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,800
have, maybe now that she's with 
Mazaria, she would have clarity 

1349
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,680
about why she is so bothered by 
this, right? 

1350
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,880
Yeah, like if you're going to 
break the rules, I'm right. 

1351
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,520
I'm right over here. 
Like if we're, if we're throwing

1352
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,439
everything to the wind, let's, 
let's revive this here. 

1353
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,319
I think we've put more thought 
into it than she would. 

1354
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:25,960
He's got a weird. 
Concerns. 

1355
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,640
He's got bigger. 
He might not care. 

1356
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,439
Yeah. 
I feel like if anything she 

1357
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:33,200
would just be like freaking fine
good for her but like we're 

1358
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,760
still all fucked. 
So a very interesting parallel 

1359
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,279
emerges with the deaths of their
close family members. 

1360
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,359
Of course, I mean, Jaharis and 
Luke. 

1361
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,160
And both of them feel guilty 
about it because they both take 

1362
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,800
partial responsibility for how 
some of it plays out. 

1363
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,200
Rainier takes responsibility for
just saying, I want Eamon and 

1364
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,279
not realizing that it's someone 
might actually kill somebody 

1365
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,000
over that comment and kill the 
wrong person. 

1366
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,279
She didn't realize what her had 
the effect of her words. 

1367
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:03,240
And it's like, obviously it's 
Damon's fault really. 

1368
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,040
But Rainier being a very 
conscientious person is like, 

1369
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,120
well, I need to understand how 
my orders can be perceived to be

1370
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,920
more cautious with my words. 
Allison's guilt is a little 

1371
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,920
different. 
It's just her daughter caught 

1372
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,359
her on the same night she was 
just like, I'm sorry for piling 

1373
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:21,279
the trauma on doing something 
that's sinful at the time. 

1374
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,240
You know, she that certainly 
adds to it. 

1375
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,040
But they also in part get to 
blame each other for these 

1376
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,000
things. 
Like Allison says, OK, well, 

1377
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,080
Raniera has sent this assassin 
or it was sent under her 

1378
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,560
authority and vice versa. 
Luke's death as well. 

1379
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,920
And it's not really true, but 
you can see why they depended on

1380
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,399
the. 
I mean, it kind of happened 

1381
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:44,160
under your watch, right? 
There's a lot to be said about 

1382
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:49,000
their respective relationships 
with their children and like the

1383
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,840
rivalry and the way that they've
tried to manage that. 

1384
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,200
And I think that that certainly 
adds to like was aimed in the 

1385
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:04,640
I'm going to bully Luke on 
Vergar mindset because like his 

1386
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,480
parents had failed to like help 
him reconcile the bullying that 

1387
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:11,720
he himself had experienced when 
he was younger. 

1388
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,520
And the fact that like, you 
know, and again, we see Allison 

1389
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,320
even say that a little bit more 
directly here in the in the 

1390
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,760
latest episode where she says 
like, you know, have the how 

1391
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,240
does I don't I forgot how she 
phrases it like, have the 

1392
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,760
misfortunes of your childhood 
like not been indignity of your 

1393
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,080
youth, of your child, of your 
youth, like not been, you know. 

1394
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,520
Efficiently or whatever. 
Yeah. 

1395
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,000
And like, and also just the fact
that the way that they act in 

1396
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,040
private with their children, I 
think is also like a very 

1397
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:46,160
interesting contrast. 
Like Allison hits her kids, hits

1398
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,840
the boys at least. 
Like she's she's obviously much 

1399
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:53,840
softer with Helena, but like, 
you know, she physically 

1400
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,680
reprimands them, she verbally 
abuses them and like, you know, 

1401
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,680
doesn't do a whole lot to like 
bolster their self-confidence or

1402
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:03,760
court. 
Like she specifically, I think 

1403
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,480
even tells Aegon like you can do
whatever you want to aim and in 

1404
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:11,400
private, but in public and like 
around the other children, you 

1405
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,160
like, you need to show him 
deference. 

1406
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,360
And it's like, well, we can see 
we can see the result of that, 

1407
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:22,080
you know, behind closed doors, 
like free reign to beat up on 

1408
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,400
one another. 
Abuse has now gotten like nearly

1409
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,440
gotten Aegon killed. 
And I think that she's only just

1410
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:31,880
now coming to terms with the 
idea that again, like, not only 

1411
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,480
was she a child raised in the 
Red Keep, but she raised her 

1412
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,360
children in the Red Keep and she
might have accidentally passed 

1413
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,800
along all of the the traumatic 
upbringing to them. 

1414
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:46,280
And she's she's like watching 
the consequences unfold in front

1415
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:50,960
of her in a way that Rainiera, I
think like, has such a softer 

1416
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,080
relationship with Jace. 
And like, yes, like they butt 

1417
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,680
heads, but they do it in a way 
that feels like there's like, 

1418
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,480
mutual respect there. 
And you don't get the sense that

1419
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:03,760
Rainier would ever, like, lift a
hand to her kids in the way that

1420
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,640
we saw Allison do. 
Absolutely, yeah. 

1421
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,280
I think the the criticism of 
Rainiera is just the how she 

1422
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:11,160
created her children in the 1st 
place. 

1423
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,040
She created, she created risk 
for them by who their father 

1424
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,160
was. 
You know, that's by them not 

1425
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,480
looking Targaryen the way that 
everyone would expect them to. 

1426
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:21,040
So it wasn't how she raised 
them. 

1427
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,160
It was who she chose their 
father, you know, So it was like

1428
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:28,640
a which is a very like incisive 
way of looking at their 

1429
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,680
personalities, like a one was 
free and loose with her choice 

1430
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,880
of husband, but a good mother. 
The other was had a very 

1431
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,560
specific husband, but you know, 
wasn't as good of a mother 

1432
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,160
preparing them for the world in 
a different way. 

1433
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,840
So that's an interesting. 
Yeah, and the the blame also 

1434
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,640
like I do not mean to wholly be 
like Allison is the reason her 

1435
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,800
children are the way they are 
because certainly Viserys is 

1436
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,160
neglect is a huge part of why 
Aegon and Eamon to act the way 

1437
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,320
that they do. 
And also for Rainier as part 

1438
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:01,760
like staging Leonor's death and 
marrying Damon was again like a 

1439
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,440
very bold choice, to put it 
gently, of like. 

1440
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:10,480
Old and unusual, yes. 
Right like Damon is also a very 

1441
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:15,880
unstable stepfather to those 
boys and like also not great at 

1442
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,840
setting examples or creating 
stability within the family, 

1443
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,200
which then trickles out to 
instability within their their 

1444
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,240
attempt at ruling here. 
You can sense that and and Jace 

1445
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,040
calling for Damon, they're like,
yeah, he's being like 

1446
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:29,520
politically minded, sensible, 
whatever. 

1447
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,360
But I think, you know, there's 
this root core with this is, you

1448
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,200
know, his third father figure 
and he he wants to have a father

1449
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,880
figure around. 
And I I think Rainier is kind of

1450
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,160
blind to that aspect of it. 
Or maybe she knows and it it 

1451
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,240
hurts her in her core to think 
that that, that she's not enough

1452
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,120
of a parent for her sons. 
I don't know. 

1453
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:51,040
But yeah, I think I think that's
why Jake Bring keeps bringing up

1454
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,800
Damon. 
I think he he kind of admires 

1455
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,360
him in a lot of ways. 
Yeah, and like wants and like 

1456
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,760
the fact, again, not right near 
his fault that Damon behaves 

1457
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,560
abusively towards her. 
But like you also kind of see 

1458
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,160
Jace trying to have to be 
protective of his mother against

1459
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,000
Damon, which is also like not a 
great position for your children

1460
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,160
to be in. 
Of like him needing to try and 

1461
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,200
take on that protector role 
while he himself needs 

1462
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,840
protecting. 
And then, you know, Luke dies 

1463
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,320
and it's everyone's, you know, 
everyone's in shambles. 

1464
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:29,320
And again, the generational 
trauma is just a, you know, a 

1465
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:34,800
real, real gut punch here. 
It's worth noting and, and I 

1466
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,520
want to be clear here, I think 
Allison and Raniera are my two 

1467
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,120
favorite characters, you know, 
and both of them have flaws and 

1468
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,680
virtues. 
But when Raniera and Damon were 

1469
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:50,600
coming up with this plan to kill
her son's ostensible father, it 

1470
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,280
wasn't a consideration how it 
might affect their kids. 

1471
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,240
Like, kill them off the sons 
might be. 

1472
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,720
I mean, that's, that's a sort of
abuse, you know? 

1473
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,080
Maybe they glossed over he's not
their real. 

1474
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,320
Father but. 
I was always very bothered by 

1475
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,320
the fact that Rainier just keeps
to the party line with her sons 

1476
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,120
privately. 
Like, they give her many 

1477
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,440
opportunities to just, like, 
come clean and have an honest 

1478
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:14,880
moment with us, and she still 
just doesn't. 

1479
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,120
And yeah, I agree, I don't think
it's it's, it's not good 

1480
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,520
parenting. 
It's the it's, it's going to 

1481
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,720
traumatize these kids for the 
rest of their life. 

1482
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,080
I mean, Luke case very short 
life. 

1483
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,440
But either way, it's not going 
to lead to, it's going to 

1484
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:30,920
continue this generational 
trauma that we're talking about.

1485
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:36,400
On the flip side, while Renera, 
her kids get 2 dads to help 

1486
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,360
raise them and she has, as far 
as I could tell, pretty much no 

1487
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,160
other responsibilities. 
So hey, well turns out she was a

1488
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,240
good mom. 
Allison is trying to be the 

1489
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,840
queen in a man's world. 
Like she doesn't have a star as 

1490
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,320
helping and in fact is helping 
him with the kingly duties. 

1491
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,720
Yeah, so wow, she didn't have 
enough time for her kids. 

1492
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,200
I'm not saying that makes it OK,
but I am. 

1493
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,920
I just do want to point out it's
not as simple as Allison did a 

1494
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,400
bad job, Reneer did a good job. 
I also had more demands on here 

1495
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,680
and Raniera made some big 
mistakes. 

1496
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:06,600
Too. 
Yeah, Raniera's in this like 

1497
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:09,760
blended household, right? 
Like she has, she has more 

1498
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,040
parents in the household to take
care of the kids, spend time 

1499
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,240
with them for a period of time 
then she knows what to do with, 

1500
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,520
right And. 
And now we've got Masaria 

1501
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,680
Stepmom you. 
Know yeah yeah Jace is used to 

1502
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,160
this he's used to having beards 
and and just. 

1503
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:29,640
Got a fourth, a fourth parent, 
you know. 2-3 dads, two moms, 

1504
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,120
it's all, it's just Targaryen. 
You know, that's how they go, 

1505
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,600
Yeah. 
It is it is so interesting, 

1506
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,560
though, because like certainly 
Rainier is choice. 

1507
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,080
I mean, right, like obviously 
she chose to have children with 

1508
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:46,200
Sir Harbins wrong, but I am it's
like what alternative was there 

1509
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,320
at least within the show? 
Like I feel like they went out 

1510
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,680
of their way to have her have 
that conversation with Lenore 

1511
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,640
and be like, we tried having 
children and it didn't work. 

1512
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:01,240
And if she is heir, like she has
to produce a child in order to 

1513
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,520
continue the line of succession.
So like maybe after the first 

1514
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,200
one, she should have tried to 
pick someone who would have 

1515
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:08,800
silver hair. 
But I'm also like. 

1516
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,520
That's that's pretty shady on 
its. 

1517
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,160
Own. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1518
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,120
Or just try harder with Lane or 
like series like bring a man 

1519
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,760
into the bedroom. 
I don't know like. 

1520
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,760
I. 
I think it's important enough to

1521
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,520
maybe. 
We don't know what they tried. 

1522
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,240
Yeah, we don't. 
Know we don't actually know what

1523
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:29,560
they tried, but did they try 
fermented crab? 

1524
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,800
That's what Davos says would 
work. 

1525
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,600
I don't know. 
I'm I'm just saying like I don't

1526
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,840
think they tried. 
Everything right, right and 

1527
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,600
exactly to to your point, like 
she didn't pull a Marjorie 

1528
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,520
Tyrell from what we know of and 
be like. 

1529
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:45,840
I doubt it. 
Yeah, I doubt it. 

1530
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,040
She did that. 
But some of the maesters 

1531
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,280
believed all sorts of things, 
all sorts of depraved sexual 

1532
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,280
acts happened. 
But who knows? 

1533
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,520
So the SAP comes up kind of 
twice in a row for the next two 

1534
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,200
interactions. 
We have the letter that Rainier 

1535
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,080
eventually reads that we talked 
about earlier, and she goes, 

1536
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,200
take this one last chance, even 
though it really there really 

1537
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,360
wasn't a chance here. 
It was a way for them to have a 

1538
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:16,240
conversation and to settle a few
things and to just just talk a 

1539
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,800
few things out, admit to each 
other what really happened with 

1540
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,120
those deaths. 
Like, yeah, I didn't order that,

1541
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:23,480
you know, I didn't order that, 
etcetera. 

1542
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:26,120
They have that heart to heart. 
And then the prophecy discussion

1543
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,840
comes up again. 
And this is something that I 

1544
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:33,000
want to consider moving forward 
because there is a decent bit of

1545
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,640
evidence that Allison is still 
researching. 

1546
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,040
She's curious about her end of 
it, and this might be something 

1547
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,080
that comes up later if she digs 
deeper and discovers something. 

1548
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,480
I'm not this again, this is not 
a book plot. 

1549
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:47,160
So we really have. 
I'm not like dancing around what

1550
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:48,640
might happen. 
I really have no idea. 

1551
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,480
So I do think that's potential 
groundwork for another, maybe 

1552
01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:55,320
parallels between them or 
connection between them. 

1553
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,240
Just something that seems kind 
of interesting. 

1554
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,840
Do you agree with that, Kim? 
Is that did you catch that as 

1555
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,000
well or something you're 
expecting or just what do you 

1556
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,000
think about this? 
Yeah, it, it is a super 

1557
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,400
interesting layer, I think, to, 
to what they're trying to do 

1558
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:16,280
with them going forward. 
I I do just, I really love that 

1559
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:20,440
they were able to add in that 
conversation to give us 

1560
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:24,440
Allison's ability to, yeah, have
to really kind of contend with 

1561
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:27,840
the fact that she was wrong. 
And then I love the fact that 

1562
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,680
she's now like digging around 
for written evidence of this 

1563
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,320
prophecy and like, oh, is she 
actually going to stumble upon 

1564
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,160
something? 
Is she going to give up that 

1565
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:40,720
quest pretty soon? 
But like the way that she had to

1566
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,120
almost convince herself or like 
trying to say like, oh, it 

1567
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,520
doesn't it doesn't actually 
matter. 

1568
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,640
Like it doesn't matter, you 
know, the the wheels in motion. 

1569
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:49,960
There's nothing we can do about 
it now. 

1570
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,440
But you can tell that she 
doesn't actually believe that 

1571
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:54,880
deep down yet. 
And she's like still trying to 

1572
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,720
kind of either justify what 
happened or get more information

1573
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,640
as to like what Raniro was 
talking about and what Viserys 

1574
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,600
is last words like really truly 
were like. 

1575
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:09,800
That seems to be her big. 
Sort of the the thread that 

1576
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,320
she's going to pull on, I think 
as we as we move forward with 

1577
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,880
her. 
She knows the phrase the Prince 

1578
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,920
that was promised that. 
That's the phrase that Reneira 

1579
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,800
reacted to. 
So if she's looking for that 

1580
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,080
phrase specifically in books or 
the Song of Ice and Fire or any 

1581
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,720
sort of dreams written by any 
Targaryens, especially Aegon, 

1582
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,040
Yeah, could get really 
interesting there. 

1583
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,880
And it could, it could get 
really dark. 

1584
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,280
Like Allison could feel even 
more guilt. 

1585
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:34,040
She'd be like, oh, I see. 
Like now I get why Rainier? 

1586
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,800
And like, now she's like, oh, 
I'm on the wrong side. 

1587
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,440
Like my I want my family to win,
but I don't want my family to 

1588
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:39,800
win because what if this 
prophecy is true? 

1589
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,080
It could just create an enormous
amount of conflict for her. 

1590
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:44,600
And that could be very 
interesting, very dark. 

1591
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,880
And the fact that they that the 
show created like, you know, 

1592
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,040
that this cat spa blade that had
its own significance within Game

1593
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,680
of Thrones, that that now has 
the prophecy inscribed on it, 

1594
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,240
that Amond now has that dagger 
in his possession. 

1595
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,560
He seems to be the only one who 
might be able to translate like 

1596
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,160
High Valyrian, Like they've 
added so many like little like 

1597
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,920
tidbits here that could get 
could continue to kind of get 

1598
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:08,640
teased out here. 
I agree. 

1599
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,800
So the other moment at the Sep 
that's relevant that Allison 

1600
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,880
doesn't know Raniero was 
involved in and Raniero doesn't 

1601
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,320
know the impact it had on 
Allison yet is the riot now? 

1602
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:23,000
What's interesting about it is 
Allison gets a wound on her left

1603
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,600
arm in the exact same spot she 
cut Rainiera. 

1604
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,360
So that's part of what makes 
this interesting is if it comes 

1605
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,320
back around, she finds out that 
it was Rainiera slash Missouri 

1606
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,240
that started this riot, she'll 
be like, this wound came from 

1607
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,320
Rainiera. 
It was like it was like a 

1608
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,800
balancing or a getting even. 
Even though it wasn't fully 

1609
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,160
intentional that way. 
I thought that was pretty cool. 

1610
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,280
I'm not sure there's a lot to 
say about it other than to point

1611
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,920
to it, but if either of y'all or
any of y'all have something to 

1612
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,160
to add to that the the riot and 
how this is kind of rebalancing 

1613
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:51,560
things. 
Was the Lord of the tides of the

1614
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,800
episode where this happened in 
episode 8 in season one? 

1615
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,400
Well then they're written by the
same woman, Eileen Shamrock. 

1616
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,680
This episode and episode 8 
switch all adds mass to its 

1617
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:05,800
intentionality of of this. 
Boom nice very good I love it. 

1618
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:10,720
I also it, it just reminds me of
the notion that Allison's 

1619
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,480
because of her, her faith and 
her connection to, to the faith 

1620
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:17,280
of the seven. 
And like how religious she is 

1621
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,560
that she I think has more of a 
sense that like gods are 

1622
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,760
punishing her at any given point
or that like there is a little 

1623
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,560
bit more weight behind things 
that happened to her as if it's 

1624
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,800
retribution for her misbehaving.
I think that not only was she 

1625
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,680
feeling personally guilty that 
like Helena came in and saw her 

1626
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,800
having sex with Christian Cole 
that night, but she seemed to 

1627
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,600
think that like Jaharis death 
might have been punishment from 

1628
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,760
the gods for for her sins. 
Yeah, I think she did think 

1629
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,360
that. 
Yeah, I think that's what she 

1630
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,040
thinks. 
Cuz I think I mean a lot just 

1631
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:50,360
kind of the way it goes with 
that type of mentality, right. 

1632
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,080
Like, yeah, as as as illogical 
as it seems to me, I'm like, 

1633
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,200
well, it sure hurt Helena a lot 
more than it hurt you, Allison, 

1634
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,920
but that's how it goes. 
I I very much believe that 

1635
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,120
Allison feels that it was her 
punishment, her punishment. 

1636
01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:06,560
Yep. 
Even if it isn't some sort of 

1637
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:13,440
Mystic karmic justice, she still
and Kristen play a role in 

1638
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:16,120
protecting the royal family. 
And instead of doing that, they 

1639
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,400
were having a sexual affair. 
So there's maybe a specific 

1640
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:21,760
reason for the guilt beyond a 
mystical one, you know? 

1641
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,080
Yeah, it's. 
It's sin and just regular old 

1642
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,000
responsibility. 
Like where were you when the bad

1643
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,280
things were happening to your 
family? 

1644
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,800
You know, like I was having 
pleasure, which you're not. 

1645
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,640
Which she's already conditioned 
to, but very low on her list of 

1646
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,720
what's important. 
You know, she's kind of denied. 

1647
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,600
To her or feel or just feel 
shame about. 

1648
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:38,600
Yeah, right. 
Right. 

1649
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,600
Yeah, shame is, is almost 
certainly what she's feeling. 

1650
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,640
Yeah, among other things, but 
probably that number one. 

1651
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,240
All right, this is our our last 
non spoilery question, which is 

1652
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,680
the potential impact of Mazaria 
on this whole scenario, which we

1653
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:56,040
have Kristen Cole's impact, 
which is started long ago, but 

1654
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,400
Mazaria is the newest sort of 
wrinkle and that could affect 

1655
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,320
both of them and the a couple. 
Here's a couple reasons why. 

1656
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,600
First of all, just like I wonder
what Raniera would think of 

1657
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,640
Allison and Cole together, like 
what reaction she would have. 

1658
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,280
It may not be a big deal, but I 
would be curious. 

1659
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,960
I also wonder what Allison would
think if she knew Raniera in 

1660
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,000
Missouri had a relationship. 
She might feel that it's another

1661
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,120
version of her like jealousy. 
You know, like that Raniera can 

1662
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,240
be free and do these things that
she couldn't. 

1663
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,800
It's also maybe like it's not 
like our real world where a lot 

1664
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,640
of religions frown on same sex 
relationships, but the faith 

1665
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,720
isn't exactly pro to women 
hooking up either. 

1666
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,400
You know, they're not as it's 
not the same as the modern 

1667
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,200
world, but they're not, they're 
not big on that either. 

1668
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:38,480
Have you seen on Olivia Cook's 
story? 

1669
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:42,720
She shared some great fan art of
Allison's reaction where she's 

1670
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,880
just like oh God oh damn it oh 
fuck the drinking she's upset. 

1671
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,120
I highly recommend looking at 
her Instagram story or Twitter 

1672
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,320
or whatever. 
That's great. 

1673
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,960
Do we talk about the preview? 
No, not yet. 

1674
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,080
I'm talking. 
About that we can. 

1675
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:57,400
Do that during the spoiler 
section. 

1676
01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:59,280
As soon as Shawn's gone. 
Wait, we don't do it for the 

1677
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,800
part, but yes. 
One last little bit on this 

1678
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:02,840
then. 
Oh yeah, Go ahead, Shawn, Go 

1679
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,920
ahead. 
I wanted to say that I think 

1680
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,680
similarly, we've probably 
thought more about it than 

1681
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,320
Allison had she? 
I think she's got bigger stuff 

1682
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:14,120
in her mind, maybe the one. 
I don't think she even knows who

1683
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:15,880
Masari is. 
Maybe not. 

1684
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,640
Yeah, she. 
Might but but but the idea of a 

1685
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,160
lesbian affair still might 
intrigue her, make her jealous 

1686
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:23,640
or something. 
Or just give her some 

1687
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:27,840
realizations being like, oh, 
that's what these feelings are. 

1688
01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:30,640
Oh, you can do that. 
Wait, two women can? 

1689
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,120
Whoa, I never thought of that. 
Raniero was trying to kiss me 

1690
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,240
when? 
We were child. 

1691
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,480
Aside from that affair, though, 
something about Missouri, I 

1692
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:43,280
wanted to bring up something 
from your last Cast of Kings 

1693
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:47,040
episode. 
Kim is something that we we 

1694
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,000
didn't catch. 
There was a particular 

1695
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:53,480
importance to that food being 
shipped from Ranira to King's 

1696
01:25:53,480 --> 01:25:58,120
Landing because remember, part 
of the fear of the populace 

1697
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,640
after that Dragon's head was 
brought through was Ranira's 

1698
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,600
going to want to want 
retribution. 

1699
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,520
We're in danger of how we're 
coming and burning our city now.

1700
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,600
No, no, actually she's sending 
us food. 

1701
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,640
Like they said, even now she 
thinks of us even now, like they

1702
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,280
made sure to put that. 
Spin like she loves a good 

1703
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,600
catch. 
Really good catch. 

1704
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:20,360
So another little dynamic little
wrinkle to the Mazaria Rainier 

1705
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:24,680
relationship is Mazaria's stated
goal of she wants to get back 

1706
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,880
the Hightowers. 
What she doesn't yet know is it 

1707
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,480
wasn't Otto that burned her 
establishment. 

1708
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,200
It was Laurie's getting the go 
ahead from Allison's. 

1709
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,080
Allison gave the like, she 
didn't know who was being 

1710
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,480
targeted. 
She didn't know who she was 

1711
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:42,680
giving the go ahead to target, 
but she was like, I can I know 

1712
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,160
who the head of the snake is? 
Well, you take care of that for 

1713
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:46,080
me. 
And he's like, yes. 

1714
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:51,440
So if Mazaria ever finds out 
that Allison did this, it could 

1715
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:54,720
put Rainier in a weird position 
where the person she's empowered

1716
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,640
to be, her Master of spies 
specifically wants to use this 

1717
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,480
position to revenge herself on 
the Hightowers. 

1718
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,160
Does that include Allison? 
Would Rainier be OK with that? 

1719
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,120
It's a wrinkle. 
I don't know. 

1720
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:07,760
I'm not saying maybe she'd be. 
Go ahead, kill her. 

1721
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,480
I don't care, you know, but but 
I kind of doubt it. 

1722
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:11,840
I kind of doubt she'd just be 
that cold towards Allison. 

1723
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,440
So that's a that's an 
interesting little wrinkle. 

1724
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:16,840
Don't think you thought about, 
has that come up at all with 

1725
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,800
y'all Kim or is that something 
you thought about? 

1726
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,520
I hadn't thought about that 
until just now, but that is a 

1727
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,600
really good point. 
And it's also interesting that 

1728
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,760
like even Allison's and Laris 
don't have quite the same firm 

1729
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,120
relationship that they did at 
the time that that order was 

1730
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,400
made. 
So it's like there's more 

1731
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,440
wrinkles there, like. 
Loris would be more likely to 

1732
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:35,280
throw her under the bus right 
now, right? 

1733
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:39,000
Yeah, like there's so much more 
finger pointing that that can 

1734
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,880
unfold here and now there's 
layers to to the relationships 

1735
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,840
that everybody has within that 
too. 

1736
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,280
Well I don't disagree with you 
Oshea that Loris might throw 

1737
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,440
Alison under the bus. 
I also think that Loris might re

1738
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:55,120
up his relationship with Alison 
because he's got to find new 

1739
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,120
allies because Aymonds is 
clearly Aymond is clearly 

1740
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,720
against him. 
I think even if he did that, it 

1741
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,960
would be a facade. 
I don't think his, his. 

1742
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,640
He's really thrown his lot in 
with Allison to as the, like, 

1743
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,320
future of, of, of his, you know?
Yeah. 

1744
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,200
To be fair, everything he does 
is a facade, so not really 

1745
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:14,840
throwing his lot with Aegon 
either, right? 

1746
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,840
He just. 
I think he genuinely sees Aegon 

1747
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:21,960
as his route to to secret power.
I think he sees it as his best 

1748
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:25,240
mechanism is he just rules 
through Aegon and he's a puppet 

1749
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,800
figurehead. 
I, I, I don't know that I think 

1750
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,120
Laurie's has a, a goal past 
that. 

1751
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,880
Like, I think that's pretty much
the pinnacle of what he could 

1752
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,480
hope for, right? 
If if a relationship with 

1753
01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:37,840
Allison would help him control 
Aegon more, which it very well 

1754
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,360
might, then I could see that 
angle. 

1755
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,600
But I think otherwise, yeah, 
'cause she doesn't have that 

1756
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,720
much power anymore, and that's 
part of what he cares about. 

1757
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,040
Well she doesn't have that much 
power then. 

1758
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,960
She's not that valuable to him, 
but she might have leverage over

1759
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,640
his over her son, which that is 
a form of power. 

1760
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,240
Especially considering where. 
Exactly. 

1761
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,360
She might have leverage over the
grandkids eventually, especially

1762
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:59,480
if the longer term Loris thinks 
and Allison doesn't have 

1763
01:28:59,480 --> 01:29:03,000
official power, but she still 
has some effective power, She 

1764
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,360
has contact, she knows people, 
etcetera. 

1765
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:06,720
It's a massive reduction of her 
power. 

1766
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,520
It's not a complete obliteration
of it. 

1767
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,240
It's not zero for any by any 
means. 

1768
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:12,440
Yeah, it's just it's just a lot 
less than she had. 

1769
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,360
OK, so Sean, we'll we'll go 
ahead and excuse you now. 

1770
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,480
Get out, we don't want to spoil 
you my friend, but we got a 

1771
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:21,080
couple things to talk about with
Kim spoiler wise. 

1772
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,080
Thank you, Sean. 
If you're if you're unsullied or

1773
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,200
if you're avoiding the preview 
for next week, which I know some

1774
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,000
of you book readers are avoiding
the preview. 

1775
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,880
So now is your your chance to 
get out of here. 

1776
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:35,760
Spoiler warning. 
So nice talking to you again, 

1777
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:36,680
Sean. 
Bye, Sean. 

1778
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,200
See you next Monday, Sean. 
Great takes today as usual. 

1779
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,960
OK. 
Oh, you got so much larger. 

1780
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:48,720
You have that. 
Such a great background there. 

1781
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:49,920
The great. 
I love your foresty. 

1782
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:56,240
Zoom me out. 
So, OK, so the you had a thing 

1783
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:57,440
from the trailer you wanted to 
talk about. 

1784
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,520
Let's start with that, since 
that's been kind of queued up. 

1785
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,680
Oh, I just, I thought about the 
fact there's like a shot of like

1786
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,560
Allison's like walking into 
somebody of water. 

1787
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,840
It's live Allison's reaction. 
Yeah, it's the Lady in the Light

1788
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:10,200
vibes, right? 
Yeah, we've been seeing that 

1789
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,440
since the beginning of the. 
Season to learning about Mazaria

1790
01:30:12,440 --> 01:30:14,320
and and Rainier. 
Yeah, I've been seeing it a 

1791
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,040
bunch. 
Kevin. 

1792
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:19,280
I agree she psychically has like
sensed like right here. 

1793
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,040
I kissed another woman. 
I must. 

1794
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,160
There's been a disturbance in 
the full. 

1795
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:27,960
Time to go drown myself. 
Yes, I yeah, that's all. 

1796
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,200
That was my big spoilery 
previously. 

1797
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,200
But we've been seeing that shot 
for a long time. 

1798
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,040
And we wondered at the beginning
of the season whether it was 

1799
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:37,600
going to be about blood and 
cheese. 

1800
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,760
And now it seems like it's just 
about her powerlessness, right? 

1801
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,400
Like it's that she's she doesn't
have. 

1802
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,520
Anything new like may as well 
take a walk, yeah? 

1803
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,160
I think, yeah. 
Maybe she's depressed, maybe 

1804
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:48,920
she's suicidal, but. 
I don't know. 

1805
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,880
I don't know what to think of it
if it, if we're, I don't know if

1806
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,480
we're reading something darker 
into it than there is. 

1807
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:57,640
And it is just like a meaningful
moment out there. 

1808
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:00,000
Or if it is dark I I'm not sure 
really. 

1809
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,360
My best guess is that it there, 
it's gonna, it's gonna have some

1810
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,440
sort of like religious symbolism
to it or something, a little bit

1811
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:09,480
of like a cleansing vibe. 
She's done that before in the 

1812
01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:11,760
season where she like, seems to 
like bathe herself with like, 

1813
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,080
intensity. 
And she's, she's scouring 

1814
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,120
herself, right? 
Yeah. 

1815
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,360
Yeah, when she was trying to rub
the sins off just the way like 

1816
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,000
Cole was trying to rub the blood
off his sword. 

1817
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,920
Yeah, that was that was very 
good symbolism there. 

1818
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,640
So another big question we have 
here that that I think is really

1819
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,680
fun is we we know one thing 
that's coming in the book, 

1820
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,120
probably maybe even the season, 
the taking of King's Landing, 

1821
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,800
which means Rainier will have 
Allison as a prisoner, which is 

1822
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:37,600
like, whoa, what's going to 
happen there? 

1823
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,680
Especially if you got Mazar in 
the mix, as I brought up before.

1824
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:41,240
That might be a little wrinkle, 
if you might be. 

1825
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:44,680
Remember what Mazaria suggests. 
It's awful in the book, she's 

1826
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,000
like, make them all horrors. 
Like make them all like, just 

1827
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:49,720
any man can have them. 
It's like. 

1828
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,560
And they're so there's a love 
talking about bastards. 

1829
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,720
Get some bastards on the beach, 
is what she says. 

1830
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,480
Right. 
So I think this is what they've 

1831
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:57,920
set up. 
This is why Mazar is going to be

1832
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,600
so nasty. 
If that's the way they go, it's 

1833
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,000
because she specifically has it 
in for the Hightowers. 

1834
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,760
Retribution. 
Yeah, for sure. 

1835
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,760
And I wanted to talk about, so 
people keep asking, like, what? 

1836
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,760
What at all evidence would there
be for this, for this connection

1837
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,840
in the book? 
And I think if you reread the 

1838
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,840
book, yeah, it's thin. 
But why does Rainiera take 

1839
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,600
Mazaria's word for it for so 
many things? 

1840
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,600
Why does she trust her so 
closely? 

1841
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,000
About Damon. 
About Allison. 

1842
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,400
Metals. 
About Adam, about all these 

1843
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,720
people that you might think she 
had a closer connection to. 

1844
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,640
Yeah, you could say she respects
her skills. 

1845
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,640
She she just trusts her, 
whatever. 

1846
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,320
But a queer reading of the text 
says they had an intimate 

1847
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,600
relationship, and I don't think 
that is. 

1848
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,080
I don't think that can pass to 
fly in the face of Canon. 

1849
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,560
I think it is totally reasonable
for her to just respect Mazaria 

1850
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:46,120
though. 
That might be the way they go, 

1851
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:47,160
and that could have been the way
they go. 

1852
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:48,760
But yeah, it's certainly 
suggested that there's a 

1853
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:52,280
personal reason for her to trust
her so much, and for and for 

1854
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:55,120
Rainier or, and for Mazaria to 
push Damon away. 

1855
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,960
Yeah. 
And here's what I want to say is

1856
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,720
that even even when Damon comes 
back, like in the book, we hear 

1857
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,320
the Damon keeps sleeping with 
Mazaria, right? 

1858
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,720
Well, I don't know if I think 
that would happen in the show 

1859
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,920
because it really doesn't seem 
like Mazaria would get back with

1860
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:11,160
Damon. 
It doesn't seem like Damon would

1861
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:12,840
get back with Mazaria all 
around. 

1862
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:17,320
I take it as that's the beard. 
That's the cover story for them 

1863
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,240
sleeping together. 
Like, you know what? 

1864
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:20,400
I. 
Mean they're all in a room 

1865
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,200
together. 
Yeah, like you, you say like, 

1866
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,680
oh, Damon's with Mazaria, but 
really what's happening is 

1867
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,440
Mazaria's with Rainier and I, I 
think that they won't have Damon

1868
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:31,400
and Mazaria get back together in
the show, is my take. 

1869
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,560
Yeah, I didn't think that they 
would either. 

1870
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,680
I read that as like that they 
they had just like lifted the 

1871
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,520
Damon Massaria relationship and 
inserted it into the season one 

1872
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:45,080
timeline to like seat her in as 
a character early and that like 

1873
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:49,400
that that chapter is close. 
OK, Yeah, yeah, they. 

1874
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,400
Kind of moved it around like he 
had the relationship with her 

1875
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,960
that early in the book, but it 
wasn't like, right. 

1876
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,080
It wasn't that big of a, it 
wasn't the same depth or 

1877
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,440
intensity that. 
It had to show cause like in 

1878
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,320
fire and blood. 
Don't they say like, you know, 

1879
01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:05,400
like Rainier knew about it and 
didn't care that like Damon and 

1880
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,560
Massari? 
Yeah, let him slake his his, his

1881
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,360
thirst where he will, and I'll 
slake mine. 

1882
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,120
And then the maester makes a 
little snarky remark about oh, 

1883
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,200
Rainier just wants to eat food 
or whatever. 

1884
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,640
But another another impression 
of that could be he can do what 

1885
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,080
he wants. 
I'm sleeping with other people 

1886
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,160
too, you know, like you could 
also look at it as that. 

1887
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,600
That's how I read it, yes. 
Yes, the Maestra's being snarky 

1888
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:25,960
about food, but she's not taking
us. 

1889
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:28,600
What? 
She just doesn't care about sex 

1890
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,120
at all? 
That seems unlikely. 

1891
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:31,880
She's sleeping with other people
and she doesn't care if he 

1892
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,920
sleeps with someone else. 
Too, That's that's been like 

1893
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,080
part of their their character 
that this is the part of them 

1894
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,280
that they feel free about that 
they don't, they are too 

1895
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:40,640
privileged to let go of. 
They don't. 

1896
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:44,960
They refuse to give give that up
in in based on the need of the 

1897
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,520
state. 
Like they're like, oh, I can't 

1898
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:50,120
do these things because the 
state requires me to have true 

1899
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:51,920
born children. 
That's the sort of rules 

1900
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,160
flaunting that Allison's been 
upset with since the beginning 

1901
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:56,800
that is consistent with their 
characters. 

1902
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:58,960
OK, Can I address them in the 
chat right now? 

1903
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:00,680
And I see it a lot. 
We've talked about it already, 

1904
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:01,680
but I'm just going to say it 
again. 

1905
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,800
No Tom Bombadil, it's a funny 
that that's your name. 

1906
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,840
It is not improvised. 
The kiss was not improvised. 

1907
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:10,120
This was planned since preseason
1. 

1908
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:14,480
Sonoya Mizuna was cast with the 
knowledge that it could be a 

1909
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:17,640
potential romance between 
Mazaria and Rainiera. 

1910
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:22,400
The execution of it is what was 
unscripted or improvised. 

1911
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:26,200
The fact that this was going to 
escalate to this point, it was 

1912
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,200
all it. 
It's crazy that that would be 

1913
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:30,920
completely improvised. 
Y'all like that was very much 

1914
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,040
planned. 
Yeah, it would be so weird for 

1915
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:33,840
them. 
Just like, you know what, they 

1916
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,680
had a good kiss there. 
Let's throw that in, you know? 

1917
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,560
No, no, that was they added it 
because they knew it was coming 

1918
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,280
and it felt right. 
And they kept that take. 

1919
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,040
They did a lot of takes that 
didn't have a kiss. 

1920
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,720
And they decided since it was 
going to be added eventually and

1921
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,520
this seemed like it, it felt 
right for them. 

1922
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,280
Like, wait, let's do it now. 
If it hadn't been that moment, 

1923
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,680
it would have been Episode 7-8 
or early next season. 

1924
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:54,680
Exactly. 
It wouldn't. 

1925
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,440
It was going to happen. 
It was going to happen either 

1926
01:35:56,440 --> 01:35:56,840
way. 
Yeah. 

1927
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,800
So, so you're right, it was 
improvised, but that's that's 

1928
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,720
that's a very incomplete version
of it because it was planned 

1929
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,720
since before the show even 
started. 

1930
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,320
Yeah. 
And so I want to bring up 

1931
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,440
connect this to a theory that I 
have about this Mazaria Rainier 

1932
01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:14,400
plotline intersecting with the 
Moon of the Three Kings plotline

1933
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:19,200
intersecting with Sylvana, Sand 
and SE OK, so facts are we know 

1934
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:23,680
we have a lesbian relationship 
of Essie and Sylvana with their 

1935
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,640
figurehead of game and pale 
hair, right? 

1936
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:29,480
We know we have a character, 
Sylvie, who is associated with 

1937
01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:32,040
Mazaria. 
We know Mazaria is queer. 

1938
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:36,600
I think it stands to reason that
Mazaria will leave Rainera and 

1939
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:40,200
be folded into this plot line of
having a figurehead. 

1940
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,760
And I think it'll be add to this
tragedy of them splitting and 

1941
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,040
Mazaria throwing her lot in with
someone else. 

1942
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:49,800
That's my theory at this point, 
whether Sylvie is the other 

1943
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,520
person or Diana has anything to 
do with whoever else is this 

1944
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,160
other. 
I think Mazaria will be the 

1945
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,160
queer populist. 
Yeah, that we see 100. 

1946
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:00,200
Percent because the law of 
conservation of characters one 

1947
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,080
Also two, that if Rainier turns 
darker and darker, that's why 

1948
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:06,680
Mazaria would reject her because
of she's no longer good to the 

1949
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,160
population. 
She doesn't want right. 

1950
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,040
She's OK with darkness, but not 
when. 

1951
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,520
It's if it's towards the common 
people, if she's tax overtaxing 

1952
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,400
them, which is like a big part 
of the book or, or just, you 

1953
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:17,720
know, Meg or with teats, 
whatever. 

1954
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:22,920
However the show portrays that 
that is a very like groundwork 

1955
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:25,640
laid reason for them to split. 
Yeah. 

1956
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:29,160
Yeah, yeah, I think that's 
totally dead on. 

1957
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:31,120
I wouldn't be surprised if 
that's how that unfolds. 

1958
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:35,280
You've been right so far. 
It'll be so tragic, so painful, 

1959
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,440
right? 
Well, we know that, yeah. 

1960
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,480
Especially is actually with 
another woman, it's part of it 

1961
01:37:41,480 --> 01:37:44,280
'cause I like she has another 
relationship like even more. 

1962
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:50,040
I know I, I hope that we get 
some, some brief interlude of 

1963
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:54,040
like at least one more pleasant 
scene between them or at least 

1964
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:58,760
some little some stage of like 
stability in that dynamic 

1965
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:00,880
between them. 
But I'm not super optimistic 

1966
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,640
that. 
I'm curious, do you, I mean, 

1967
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,600
obviously one of the other 
theories in the book is that 

1968
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:09,400
Mazaria is the influence that 
leads Helena to be extra 

1969
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:11,440
depressed, hear about mailor, 
etcetera. 

1970
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,960
Do we think Mazaria would be so 
cruel as to be petty with 

1971
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,520
Helena? 
Do we think that's spin? 

1972
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,680
I think these yeah. 
Yeah. 

1973
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,640
I still think I lean towards 
it's lorries that is more at. 

1974
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:22,720
Fault. 
I think it's more likely. 

1975
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:26,480
Than Mazaria. 
But I still wonder what could 

1976
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:30,200
happen in there. 
Like to make Mazaria be cruel to

1977
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:31,840
Helena. 
Just because she's a Hightower? 

1978
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,400
Yeah, because she's highborn. 
I don't know. 

1979
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,680
She sees her as privileged. 
Helena puts her foot in her 

1980
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:36,400
mouth. 
I don't know. 

1981
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,720
I don't know. 
But I can also like Rainiera has

1982
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,880
already show Rainiera has 
already been so protective and 

1983
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:45,960
like defensive of Helena that 
yeah, like I I feel like the the

1984
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,120
Rainiera Masara relationship 
would have to significantly sour

1985
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,280
before or it would. 
Or it could be why it's sours. 

1986
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:53,840
This could be you. 
Know why it's sour? 

1987
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,560
Hightower revenge thing that 
she's may not be on board with, 

1988
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,560
Yeah. 
She's like focused on this, 

1989
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,400
like, get over it. 
But you know, like we have 

1990
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:03,240
different things to focus on 
than your revenge here maybe. 

1991
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,840
I'm kind of assuming Missouri 
will go like really for the 

1992
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,040
revenge angle against the 
Hightowers, but that may not be 

1993
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,360
it may not be as intense as I'm 
saying, but that's certainly it 

1994
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,840
would create a lot of conflict. 
It would be a reason for them to

1995
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:18,720
split up or consider splitting 
up or to maybe for Missouri to 

1996
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:20,320
start poisoning her mind about 
Damon. 

1997
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,600
Just all that wrapped in there 
somewhere, one way or the other.

1998
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:27,560
Yeah, so much tragedy to come. 
I want to say one thing long in 

1999
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,480
the fandom, in queer parts of 
the fandom, there's been a 

2000
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:34,800
refrain of Rainier and Allison 
hooking up in the dungeon. 

2001
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,760
I just want to say we've gotten 
one step closer, whether that's 

2002
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,200
a kiss, whether that's actually 
hooking up, it's it's a meme 

2003
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,360
within this fandom to say 
dungeon sex. 

2004
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:48,440
And frankly, that was not even 
remotely, I think on the table 

2005
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:52,440
up until the Mazaria case. 
And now I it becomes less 

2006
01:39:52,440 --> 01:39:55,480
crackpot to me all the time. 
So I just want to throw it out 

2007
01:39:55,480 --> 01:39:56,600
there. 
I believe it. 

2008
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:58,080
I've. 
Probably been. 

2009
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,520
Through that. 
But yeah, clearly people are 

2010
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,960
talking about it. 
We'll see. 

2011
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,920
It's certainly going to be an 
industry, but if having them 

2012
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,520
back together. 
In a strange, you know, in a 

2013
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:13,800
very reduced and uneven power 
dynamic like that could get just

2014
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,080
there's a lot of potential 
there. 

2015
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:18,800
And with all the other 
influences like Larry's Aegon, 

2016
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,760
Mazaria in particular, and 
Damon. 

2017
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:24,240
Damon, Yeah. 
And by then, maybe Kristen Cole 

2018
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:27,000
will be dead too, which might be
like, certainly affect how 

2019
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:28,960
Allison feels. 
I don't know if I won't affect 

2020
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,960
Rainier all that much. 
He's like who again? 

2021
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,920
Oh yeah, that guy. 
I forgot about him. 

2022
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:34,880
It's been a long time. 
The. 

2023
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,480
Fact that the fact that he's so 
hung up on the grievances 

2024
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:42,280
against her and she's just like.
He has no idea she hasn't said 

2025
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:46,480
his name or heard of. 
Yeah, like total run one of 

2026
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:49,040
those rent free situations. 
It's the like, you know, Don 

2027
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:50,920
Draper, I don't think of you at 
all like. 

2028
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,880
Yes, I made that meme, Kim. 
I did. 

2029
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:58,520
That's exactly what I I, I 
someone else made the the Thanos

2030
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,880
meme variant on it. 
There was like a few. 

2031
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,400
All right. 
Any, any last parting thoughts 

2032
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,120
about Rainier and Allison that 
we didn't get to any any 

2033
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,200
expectations or just anything 
else you want to say about the 

2034
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:12,400
characters or their their 
connection or anything like 

2035
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:13,960
that? 
One thing I would say, which 

2036
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:18,160
maybe it's just maybe it's just 
me in my corners of the Internet

2037
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:19,880
where that are popping up in 
front of me. 

2038
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:23,120
But like, I feel like I I keep 
kind of seeing people say that 

2039
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:27,560
they think House of the Dragon 
is doing a disservice to Rainier

2040
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:31,880
and Allison by making them more 
like soft in some of their 

2041
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:37,160
decisions or more magnanimous, 
to use another word, are. 

2042
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:44,880
They more dragon cock in there. 
But like, I just I, I'm, I'm not

2043
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,560
getting that aspect. 
Like I don't think that they've 

2044
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:52,640
been reduced simply to like 
women don't like war stereotype 

2045
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,600
like I think. 
Are the stereotype in the book, 

2046
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,160
They're the they're the 
character in the book, right? 

2047
01:41:57,440 --> 01:41:59,000
Yeah. 
Written the way a minister would

2048
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,520
write read the yeah Also, if 
Rainier gets darker, she has 

2049
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:03,840
it's more interesting if she 
turns dark rather than just is 

2050
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,920
that way the whole time you. 
Know yeah, I just I do I I think

2051
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:13,720
that like I was not expecting to
enjoy seeing their characters 

2052
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,040
fleshed out the way they happen 
on the show. 

2053
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:19,280
And I just I think that both 
like all the actors and the 

2054
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:22,440
writers are doing a phenomenal 
job and the directors like, I, I

2055
01:42:22,440 --> 01:42:24,880
think that people are really 
bringing their A game with just 

2056
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:30,320
giving us like such like dynamic
and and like deep, deep stories 

2057
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,120
for these women that I really 
appreciate. 

2058
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,280
So and I love heading to have 
chatted about them so 

2059
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:39,000
extensively with you too. 
I liked how much that the they 

2060
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:44,080
have room to add depth to their 
character or like the show has 

2061
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,520
given them, you know, it's not 
like they get to improvise a 

2062
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,480
whole lot clearly a little bit 
they do, but they don't like it 

2063
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:52,360
to improvise a lot of lines and 
things like that. 

2064
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:56,520
But they get to add a lot of 
facial expressions and body 

2065
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,920
language and things like that, 
that that's where some of the 

2066
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:03,920
like Ray Millie Alcock looking 
and Millie Carey up and down. 

2067
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,600
I don't know that that was 
scripted, but a lot of people 

2068
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:08,880
noticed that she was like, that 
was definitely a look you get 

2069
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,960
when you're like, well, you're 
checking them out, you know. 

2070
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:16,680
So that might be, you know, a 
good example of just the actors 

2071
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:19,120
adding something to it that they
decided to. 

2072
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,160
So I like that a lot. 
That's neat. 

2073
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,080
Cause 'cause these characters, 
we, we pay so much attention to 

2074
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:23,120
them. 
Those, those things really come 

2075
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:25,600
out. 
Thank you so much for coming on,

2076
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,480
Ken. 
This was a fantastic discussion 

2077
01:43:27,480 --> 01:43:30,320
about two of the most important 
characters on the show. 

2078
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,840
Please tell everyone where they 
can find you. 

2079
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,160
They've they've heard it, but it
bears repeating. 

2080
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:39,600
Yeah, I'm doing a weekly House 
of the Dragon recap podcast over

2081
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,480
on Decoding TV with David Chen 
and Jesse Earle. 

2082
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:45,000
So a cast of kings slash 
decoding TV. 

2083
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,720
And then of course, my 
unofficial guide to Game of 

2084
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:50,640
Thrones book is still out there 
in the universe. 

2085
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:55,160
So if you want more more from me
on this, on this subject, that's

2086
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,640
where that's where you get my 
brain thoughts. 

2087
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:01,080
I believe that was was that the 
first episode you came on with 

2088
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:03,000
us was when we talked about your
unofficial, I think. 

2089
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:06,080
So yeah, you guys were. 
Great, the first time we hadn't 

2090
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:09,040
had her on before. 
Maybe we had but I'm not sure. 

2091
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,080
It might have been the 2nd. 
Thing and so that's why I felt 

2092
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,280
like we've done my big into the 
panel, I'm thinking. 

2093
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,680
Of con con hangs. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

2094
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,000
That's surprising. 
I'll never forget introducing 

2095
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,760
you to alt shift X. 
That was so fun. 

2096
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,560
I didn't know it wasn't like 
this. 

2097
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:26,240
Is alt shift X like hello boys. 
I waited till y'all were shaking

2098
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:28,640
hands to say this is also known 
as alt shift X. 

2099
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:30,240
You were like, what? 
And he? 

2100
01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:32,760
He totally back footed you too. 
He was like, oh I've read all 

2101
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:34,600
your articles and this and that.
You were like you have. 

2102
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:39,560
Thank you, Sir. 
Yeah, I'm sorry. 

2103
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:40,240
Yeah. 
He's a great guy. 

2104
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:40,880
Great. 
Memory. 

2105
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,920
He's a. 
Great memory, kind of Thrones 

2106
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,360
one of those years. 
I don't remember which one. 

2107
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:47,560
Yeah. 
It's a blur. 

2108
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:48,920
But we'll pre. 
COVID. 

2109
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,040
Yeah, it was. 
It's a whole nother lifetime, 

2110
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,120
but really. 
But we have so much more to go. 

2111
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,000
We have more shows, more 
seasons, more books. 

2112
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,840
So we'll we'll be, we'll have 
you again. 

2113
01:44:58,880 --> 01:44:59,480
What? 
What's up? 

2114
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,560
I did some research in our 
episode Database, which if 

2115
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:03,840
you're a patron you get access 
to. 

2116
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:08,880
The database is very useful, but
I, I checked our there's A tag 

2117
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,120
for Kim Renfro. 
You're in there. 

2118
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:14,160
I can look at every episode 
you've been on and you were in 

2119
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,880
our House of the Dragons season 
one episode 10 preview. 

2120
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,680
So we had you on as a guest for 
House of the Dragons season one,

2121
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:24,120
episode 10 in October 2022. 
And then we had you for the 

2122
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:27,720
first time was the unofficial 
Unofficial Guide to Game of 

2123
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:29,360
Thrones, your book. 
So that was the first time, but 

2124
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:30,760
this is your third appearance. 
Nice. 

2125
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:33,640
On our show. 
And there will be more to come, 

2126
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,320
I'm sure. 
Yeah, Hell yeah. 

2127
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:38,480
Thank you so much for having me.
Yes, thanks for coming. 

2128
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:42,440
Thanks to Bran the Builder for 
our amazing intro. 

2129
01:45:42,440 --> 01:45:46,400
We sure do love that video of 
blood and fire and cool stuff. 

2130
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,600
We love that it gives people 
time to come into our show as 

2131
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,760
it's beginning. 
You know, all the drums beat, 

2132
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:56,160
the fire burns, the Dragons fly,
and y'all come in prepared to 

2133
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,920
hear us talk about House of the 
Dragon or whatever we're talking

2134
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:02,080
about that day. 
We will be back, of course, on 

2135
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:06,480
Saturday with our preview 
episode for episode 7 as usual, 

2136
01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:10,080
and we will continue the 
contents after the season as we 

2137
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,520
always do as well. 
Thanks again to Kim and on 

2138
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:14,800
behalf of Ashea and Sean, we'll 
see you next time. 

2139
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,160
Valar, reread us.