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A Song of Ice and Fire is a 
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prophecy is 100% real and 110% 
dangerous. 

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But in Danis the Dreamer, 
perhaps the most famous prophet 

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in all the history of Westeros, 
we have a rare example of 

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someone whose prophecies or one 
particular prophecy that we know

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of was listened to by the people
in power or person in power, her

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father, and it had a positive 
effect. 

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Most of the time it doesn't go 
quite so well, right? 

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Even if people actually listen 
to the prophecy in the 1st 

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place, which they often don't. 
But beyond that, take Jairus the

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Second for example, listen to 
the Ghost of High Heart when it 

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comes to the Prince slash 
Princess that was promised. 

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Didn't go so well. 
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Targaryen dynasty being saved by
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actually a good thing, but for 
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For how Targaryen it was, it was
certainly a benefit to them. 

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And it might have been a good 
thing for humanity as a whole. 

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Because maybe without Danis the 
Dreamer, the Others might be 

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primed for a big win right now 
because, well, they would be 

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able to make their plans for 
Westeros without having to worry

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about Dragons. 
There have been a lot of 

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Targaryen dreamers, but she 
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None of the Others are 
particularly celebrated within 

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the their own family, even. 
We don't see histories written 

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about them. 
They get mentioned in their 

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dreams or mentioned kind of 
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I mean, how many times have we 
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Targaryen dreamer or otherwise, 
or their dreams? 

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A lot, right? 
We've done quite a bit of that 

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over the years. 
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mystery around it, and often a 
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willingness to share. 
Right? 

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Like Darren the drunkard. 
Again, he's not super excited 

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about telling people what his 
dreams are, and you can see why.

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Danis, though, is arguably 
explicitly the opposite. 

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Though again, there's a lot of 
mystery not just about the 

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prophecies here, but about her 
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We don't really have a a clear 
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But Danis the Dreamer wasn't 
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That certainly impacts our full 
picture of her. 

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She was the Lady of Dragonstone,
married to the most powerful 

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Targaryen Lord of the Century of
Blood era, and he was, of 

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course, her brother. 
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their line continued unbroken 
after them, every Targaryen we 

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know of after them is related to
her. 

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They're all her descendants. 
That, of course, includes Black 

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Fires and a few others. 
What about her dragon? 

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What about the rest of her 
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What was it like being right 
about the Doom? 

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I like I one of the things where
you're like, I hope I'm wrong, 

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but yeah, well, you weren't 
wrong, were you, Danis? 

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And what was it like to live in 
that era after the Doom, The 

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thing you were right about, that
you saw coming more than a 

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decade in advance. 
What a strange existence that 

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is. 
It's really hard to fathom that.

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And how did other Targaryens of 
that era and later, how do they 

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look upon her? 
Is she an object of worship, 

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like a sacred figure in their 
history that without her they 

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wouldn't exist? 
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That doesn't mean they look upon
her with that sort of gratitude.

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But I could assume probably some
of them. 

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Would you? 
You'd just think that feeling 

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would be around there somewhere.
That's just a sample of the 

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questions we have. 
We have a lot of questions about

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her, and no, we can't answer 
them all. 

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As usual, there's too many and 
so many mysteries, we never have

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all the answers. 
But the questions themselves, as

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always, are often very 
entertaining, even without 

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answers, right? 
They lead to other thought 

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provoking questions about the 
nature of prophecy, the history 

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of Westeros, Essos and House 
Targaryen, and forms the Song of

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Ice and Fire. 
It's a lot of related topics 

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here, so we'll compare her to 
other prophets, especially other

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dreamers, especially other 
Targaryens, and to Daenerys with

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whom she has many parallels. 
We also have real life examples 

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of prophecy in the how it works 
in the real world and how it's 

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been viewed. 
Lots of other examples like 

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that. 
Lots of other fun stuff. 

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All that and more in this 
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this one, as she so often does. 
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Viserys the First says the 
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Dragons. 
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Trivia question at the end, of 

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I'll give you the answer to this

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one. 
What book did Archmaester Marwin

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write? 
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other books, but we only know of
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So yeah, that's the question. 
What book did Archmaester Marwin

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write? 
The answer is in the episode, so

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if you pay close attention, 
you'll hear it. 

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Or you might know it already. 
Here's what we have for you 

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today. 
Here's the different sections 

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for this episode. 
We'll start with our first 

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mention, as we so often do, 
Danis's dragon divining the Doom

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both before and after. 
Then we have the Century of 

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Blood game in the glorious Aegon
and Elena, who are their 

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children, signs and portents. 
That's Danis's book of visions. 

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Possible prophecies. 
Why lost? 

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As in, why is that book lost? 
Prophetess tropes. 

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We've got some TV tropes work 
for you. 

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The end is nigh, Cassandra, one 
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all time in in fiction and 
ancient times. 

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We have our quote of the week. 
Then we have death and legacy 

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for Danis, and then a brief 
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And that's our episode. 
Let's get to it with that first 

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mention, shall we? 
It's slightly debatable which is

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the first mention of Danny's, so
we'll have both quotes for you. 

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Here's the first one, it's from 
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It's Asha speaking to one of the
best named characters in all of 

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the series. 
That's The Reader, AKA Rodrick 

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the Reader quote. 
What reading was so urgent that 

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you leave your guests without a 
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Archmaester Marwin's Book of 
Lost books. 

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He lifted his gaze from the page
to study her. 

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Hotho brought me a copy from Old
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He as a daughter he would have 
me wed. 

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Lord Rodrick tapped the book 
with a long nail. 

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See here. 
Marwin claims to have found 3 

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pages of signs and portents 
visions written down by the 

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maiden daughter of Ainar 
Targaryen before the Doom came 

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to Valyria. 
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that this doesn't count as the 
first mention of Danis is, well,

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did he say the word Danis? 
He didn't actually say her name,

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did he? 
Said maiden daughter of Anar. 

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But that's who it is. 
I mean, there's no other maiden 

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daughter of Anar who wrote signs
and portents. 

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So it's like what? 
No, both of his daughters wrote 

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signs and portents. 
It was like a warring. 

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Yeah, of course, there's just 
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So it actually doesn't say here 
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It just says written down by the
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Targaryen before the Doom came 
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But that of course is clarified 
very thoroughly later. 

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Now here's the first time her 
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the texts, and it's not A Song 
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of Ice and Fire. 
Which is interesting in and of 

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itself, because as I pointed out
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for this type of prophecy, or 
any type of prophecy, to be a 

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matter of historical record. 
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hard to ignore. 
Too big. 

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This is what happened just after
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Valyrian traders over the era 
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Quote. 
Two centuries passed, centuries 

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in which the coveted Valyrian 
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Seven Kingdoms more swiftly than
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enough for all the Lords and 
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And although the sight of a 
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Blackwater Bay was not unknown, 
it occurred more frequently as 

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secured, and the dragonlords 
thus continued their schemes and

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intrigues on their native 
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And then, unexpected to all save
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maiden daughter Danis the 
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Valyria. 
Yeah, that's really important. 

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And as an aside, one day we'll 
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thoroughly. 
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possibility that because the 
Targaryens lost all their 

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incomes, they certainly had a 
lot of stored wealth and jewelry

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and, you know, stuff that they'd
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They lost a lot of their income,
if not most of their income when

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they moved to Dragonstone. 
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the uptick in Valyrian steel was
because of the Targaryen selling

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off some of it because they 
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Now, As for the first mention 
aspect of this, it doesn't 

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really matter, does it? 
This is something we do for fun 

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to introduce the topic. 
So whichever 1 counts as the 

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first, I don't care. 
They're both really good, 

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excellent introductions to the 
subject. 

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They both belong at the 
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And interestingly, both of the 
quotes refer to her as Maiden 

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Daughter, which is important. 
Now, one of the first things to 

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come to mind when you hear young
woman with power in a fantasy 

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setting. 
I mean, magical power, not like 

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noble power, not like royal 
power or political power. 

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You think of the what would be 
classified as the virgin power 

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trope, which is a really common 
trope in fiction, which is you 

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have powers that you lose if you
lose your virginity. 

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It's it's a lot of these 
versions of this out there. 

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It's an ancient trope. 
It's super old. 

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The most common subtrope of this
probably is the unicorns prefer 

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virgins trope. 
This is a really really old 

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trope. 
It's traceable to Mahabharata, 

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an Indian epic which is part of 
ancient Hindu mythology. 

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There was a war between branches
of the Kuru dynasty. 

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You guessed it, that's a royal 
dynasty that went to war against

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itself. 
So figures, right? 

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It's actually traceable farther 
than this, but through like 

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iconography, you know, you know,
drawn carvings and stuff like 

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that. 
But in terms of written version,

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the Mahabharata was the first. 
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4th century BC or something like
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But the twist here is that the 
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person. 
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horn. 
And the original myth is about a

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guy named Asgarngar. 
I don't know how to say it. 

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I which a name which I 
absolutely didn't pronounce 

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correctly. 
He's an ascetic and in ancient 

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Hindu mythology, ascetics who 
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and for mastered it got to were 
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And to stop this particular 
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king of the of the region had 
him sent his daughter or someone

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to seduce the ascetic. 
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together, well, you're not an 
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You just gave in to worldly 
pleasure. 

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So that's how she stopped him so
that there you go. 

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So then, then he lost his power 
for that. 

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So there you go. 
That's that's the actual like 

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scholarly original source for 
the unicorns prefer virgin's 

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trope, which is part of the 
virginity and power trope. 

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That is really, as I said, very 
ubiquitous. 

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And I probably didn't need to 
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encountered it throughout, you 
know, our our days as readers 

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and of fiction and fantasy. 
So does Danny's belong on that 

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list? 
We don't think so, but maybe 

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because there's no indication 
that she lost her power after 

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losing her virginity after 
getting married, right? 

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And that isn't really a thing in
A Song of Ice and Fire. 

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We don't have other examples of 
that. 

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Still, it's odd, isn't it, that 
that these mentions of her are 

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maiden daughter. 
That is a detail that gets 

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included in multiple times, so 
we shouldn't just ignore it. 

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That said, we it isn't obvious 
what it means. 

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It's also said in that quote 
that she that signs in portents 

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was of visions written down 
before the Doom. 

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Well, what about her visions 
after the Doom? 

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Did she stop having visions? 
That seems unlikely. 

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There's no other Targaryen 
dreamer we've ever heard that 

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about. 
Like they had dreams and then 

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they just stopped. 
I don't think we have an example

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like that. 
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plenty of Targaryens that could 
have happened with and it just 

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wasn't documented, but it's hard
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likely concept because we have 
no other examples of it. 

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Did she stop having visions when
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Maybe that was it. 
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maybe the the loss of magic, 
Valyria collapsing and did a lot

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of the magic in the world, a lot
of the Dragons dying out. 

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Maybe just the magical forces 
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to attune to them anymore. 
A lot of answers there. 

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It's it's there's some good 
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too sure, right. 
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may be George is toying with it 
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fully engaging with it because 
it's just he doesn't bring it up

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anywhere else. 
You know, it doesn't come up 

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elsewhere. 
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wrote it this way with the 
phrase maiden daughter. 

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And then there's no follow up. 
There's no adult Danis visions. 

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Like we don't know what happened
to signs and portents. 

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It's a lost book. 
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talk about today. 
Before all we know, there was a 

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Signs in Portents 2 Electric 
Boogaloo, but no copies of that 

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ever survived. 
Signs in Portents 3 Revenge of 

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the Unicorns. 
Yeah. 

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She wrote all these books, but 
the hell got destroyed. 

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We never heard about it. 
No. 

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Yeah, it's true. 
Actually, the Targaryens were 

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going to make that a franchise. 
That's how they were going to 

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make money in Westeros, the 
Signs in Portents franchise. 

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But no, it didn't work out for 
them. 

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Nina has a great take here on 
this. 

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She says it's less a literal 
connection between her 

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maidenhood and her prophetic 
powers and more a thematic 1. 

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Danny's, as Ainar's maiden 
daughter, was likely the least 

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power, powerful person in her 
family, in a very powerful 

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family. 
She's not the son that's going 

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to inherit. 
She's not a married woman who 

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can exercise power through her 
husband. 

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It's not some great Lord or 
lady. 

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Yeah, it was a teenager, a 
preteen girl. 

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That was the salvation of the 
entire family. 

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That's maybe the inversion 
George is working with here, 

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that it was a the least powerful
member of the family that saved 

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them all. 
And I mean them all, right? 

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Not just the current family, but
everyone that came after she 

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saved them all. 
So that's kind of what Danny is.

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Danny in a sense, is the savior 
of the Targaryen. 

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She's bringing them back. 
She's the one who brings the 

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Dragons back. 
She's the one that's restoring a

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lot of what they were, making 
them a power again. 

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And she's a teenager. 
She's young like Danis was. 

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And the name is similar, right? 
Danis Daenerys, right? 

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I mean, there's a lot of these 
like Rainey's other type 

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parallels or Daenerys is like 
kind of like Aries, you know, 

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Dan Aries. 
It's spelled a little 

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differently, but you can see 
that still Danny's Daenerys is 

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pretty close. 
Like of all the other Targaryen 

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names, Danny's is probably the 
closest one to Daenerys, right? 

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That's if I was like, what's the
most similar one? 

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It's that, right? 
And and the other probably works

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vice versa too. 
I. 

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Say, The funny thing is every 
time you try to Google Danny's 

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Targaryen and Google will be 
like, do you mean Daenerys 

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somehow? 
Like no I didn't. 

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I didn't. 
No. 

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That's really funny. 
Yeah. 

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It's like there's a raineries, 
you know, there is a Rainy's, 

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which might be, you could argue 
that's just as close to Danny's.

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But for Daenerys, there isn't 
anything else really that close.

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So I think Nina nails that. 
It's a really good take. 

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She comes into her power when 
she's unimportant. 

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Like everyone had made her an 
afterthought. 

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Illyrio and and Virus were using
her as a pawn there. 

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You know, she was just a way to 
get Khal Drogo to be connected 

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to Viserys, to set up their 
whole bait plan to make Aegon 

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the hero. 
Yeah, she was nothing to them. 

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But then she rose to be the most
important of all. 

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And that's that's also a strong 
parallel and great take, Nina. 

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Yeah. 
So. 

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And with the names and 
everything, it just really fits.

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And both of them are taking 
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Right, Danny? 
Daenerys starts in Essos and 

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wants to migrate West. 
Danny's does too, for different 

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reasons, but it's to bring the 
Dragons over there. 

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It's to go to Dragonstone. 
They're going to end up in the 

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same place. 
Danny. 

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Danny went into the fire, the 
pyre. 

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Danny's fled before the fire. 
Stay away from the doom. 

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So he has a lot of strong 
parallels here. 

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And of course. 
Daenerys goes by Danny. 

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Yeah, Danny, Danny's. 
Yeah, good point. 

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Yeah, that's really close. 
And yeah, so this is just rife 

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with parallels here. 
We wanted to do a little bit of 

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research because I just couldn't
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before the World of Ice and 
Fire, what did we think 

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happened? 
What did we, how did we think 

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the Targaryen survived? 
What was it? 

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I think we just thought they 
moved. 

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You know, it might have been, we
might have thought there was 

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some political upheaval. 
And then they fled from they, 

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they came out on the wrong side 
of a, of a political contest and

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they fled so that they wouldn't 
get wiped out or something like 

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that. 
And they later invented this 

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story of a prophecy to, like, 
cover. 

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There's, like, everybody. 
The doom blew up Valyria. 

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No one's going to tell the truth
version of our story. 

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No one's going to call out our 
lies here. 

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No. 
Danny set up. 

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Yeah. 
Prophecy. 

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Yeah, sure. 
One of our daughters from way 

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back when predicted all this. 
Yeah. 

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That's what happened. 
Sure. 

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No. 
There. 

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It probably did happen. 
But you can see. 

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And we'll touch on that on and 
off with this episode, that 

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maybe some of these details were
exaggerated by the Targaryens to

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make themselves look a little 
better. 

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I wouldn't go quite so far as to
say the whole thing is made-up, 

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but that should be considered 
too. 

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Winners write history, and when 
everybody who knew the winners 

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is dead, you can't corroborate 
their story. 

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Nina found that the first time 
Danny's was name dropped in real

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life was Worldcon 2012, when he 
was reading unpublished excerpts

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from The World of Ice and Fire. 
Shay and I attended one of 

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those, not the World Con 2012. 
But we did hear some of those 

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early World of Ice and Fire 
readings and. 

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In 2014. 
Yeah, we heard one in 2014 was 

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the Lannister one, the western 
first time the Westerlands was 

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red. 
And I remember that because 

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there were some stuff in there 
that that he changed, remember, 

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like the the hooded man of the 
hooded necromancer of Bain Ford,

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things like that. 
It was cool. 

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But didn't all stay. 
Let's talk about Danice's 

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dragon. 
We have every reason to believe 

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she had one They brought 5 from 
Valyria to Dragonstone and she 

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only had the one brother So 
where who else could have owned 

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these Dragons besides her right 
and and her her one brother and 

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you know her mother maybe 
probably I guess should say. 

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Now Anar had siblings. 
We're told he also had multiple 

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wives, so that could have 
accounted for some of the other 

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Dragons. 
But the children of Anar would 

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take precedence because they 
were going to be married. 

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They were going to be Lord and 
Lady next, so you'd think they'd

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sort of have. 
They'd be first in line for 

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Dragons. 
And now Gaiman would come before

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her. 
He was older and he was the boy.

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I guess that matters. 
But either way, they were 

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expected to marry each other and
rule together. 

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So let's refresh ourselves on 
this corner of Targaryen history

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quote. 
Veigar and Meraxis had hatched 

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on Dragonstone. 
Valerian alone had come to the 

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island with Ainar the Exile and 
Danis the Dreamer, the youngest 

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of the five Dragons they brought
with them. 

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The older Dragons had died 
during the intervening years, 

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but Valerian lived on, growing 
ever larger, fiercer, and more 

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willful. 
If we discount the tales of 

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certain sorcerers and mount 
banks as we should, he is 

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mayhaps the only living creature
in the world that knew Valyria 

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before the Doom. 
We can safely ignore Veigar and 

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Meraxis when considering who 
Danis had as a mount because 

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they were born significantly 
later and because Blaring was 

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the youngest of the Dragons that
Anar brought over. 

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Well, he's the least likely to 
be ridden by the head of the 

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household. 
He was. 

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Aynard probably had already had 
a dragon by the time Valerian 

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was born, and he wouldn't have 
picked a hatchling anyway. 

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This isn't the Egg in the Cradle
era. 

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That tradition began in Westeros
as far as we know. 

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Unless it was a revived 
tradition, but that was started 

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by Reyna, as in daughter of Anis
and and Alyssa, so that's not 

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likely to be the case here. 
They didn't do the egg in the 

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cradle thing. 
So we can't use that as as as a 

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way of thinking about who how 
things would have gone. 

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So we're used to thinking 
Dragons in terms of how powerful

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they are versus armies, right? 
Like dragon with an army with a 

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dragon is almost always going to
be 1 without. 

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But here in the heart of 
Illyria, you have 39 other 

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families with Dragons. 
It's a different environment. 

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The calculus is a lot different.
Like what they're considering, 

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what they're, what that, what 
kind of advantages it gives 

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them. 
It doesn't give them advantages 

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over the other dragonlord 
families. 

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It gives them perhaps equal 
footing at best. 

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Especially because we know the 
Targaryens weren't as powerful 

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as those other families. 
So it really fits that Valerian 

449
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,400
was Danis's dragon. 
Add up all this evidence, the 

450
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,760
smallest dragon at the time. 
She probably gets a dragon 

451
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,720
because she's going to be the 
Lady of Dragonstone, the Lady of

452
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,000
House Targaryen in Valyria 
before they decided to move. 

453
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,040
So she would be in line for an 
important dragon, but not the 

454
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,720
biggest one. 
And since this was the youngest 

455
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,640
one they had at the time, it 
just fits really well. 

456
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,440
There's only 5 Dragons, Three or
four of them were probably 

457
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,080
already claimed, blah blah. 
There's not a lot of other 

458
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,560
wiggle room here. 
It's certainly not a sure thing,

459
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:32,480
but we have long theorized that 
Valerium was written by Danis. 

460
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,080
Because of that, Gaiman, as the 
future head of the household, 

461
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,920
would have probably claimed a 
larger dragon, A big one. 

462
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,000
One that was a full adult rather
than one that's only 15 to 20 

463
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,760
years old at most, right? 
So Danny's was probably the 

464
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,720
youngest that was queued up for 
a dragon as well. 

465
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,280
So it just all lines up pretty 
well. 

466
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,560
Now. 
House of the Dragon full on was 

467
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,080
like, yeah, we're going with 
that. 

468
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,760
They had some text that I think 
we talked about at the time, but

469
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,320
y'all may have missed it on 
screen as Shea has this little 

470
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,600
book that was visible in a in a 
scene or two as sort of a 

471
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,360
background material. 
And we know who wrote this. 

472
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:17,440
This was written by T T Mikkel, 
who is the only person in the 

473
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,560
world that has the resume of 
being George R Martin's writing 

474
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,880
assistant and a writer for House
of the Dragon. 

475
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,000
Nobody in the world has both 
those credits. 

476
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,760
No one worked really close with 
George for years and is a writer

477
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,680
on the show, so she has a 
different level of credibility 

478
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,760
and knowledge than the vast 
majority of other. 

479
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,160
No shade on the other writers, 
I'm just saying she has this leg

480
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,880
up in terms of lore. 
She knows it better than anybody

481
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,560
on in that writing room. 
So we were super happy to see 

482
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,840
this. 
And I immediately texted her. 

483
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,280
I was like, T, did you write 
this stuff? 

484
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,840
And she said yes. 
And she told me at the time 

485
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,400
she's like, you feel free to 
share this. 

486
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,560
This was months ago. 
We haven't had time. 

487
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,440
We haven't had a occasion to 
share it until now. 

488
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,240
But she said jokingly, I would 
much rather be associated with 

489
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,120
this than that shrubbery stuff, 
which she wrote that too. 

490
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,080
All that stuff about the singing
shrubbery and the Valyrian 

491
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,560
dragon Lord who was really into 
plants and all that. 

492
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,640
That was from another book that 
you could see and translate and 

493
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,160
all that. 
Anyway, So shout out to T She 

494
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,080
did a great job with this. 
We're very happy to see. 

495
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,800
She did some song lyrics. 
T did write some song lyrics, 

496
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,920
yeah. 
She wrote the Nymerius song. 

497
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,880
Yeah, that was really good. 
So she's sure her fingerprints 

498
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,800
are all over a lot of the stuff.
Her names and the credits, of 

499
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,560
course, for House of the Dragon.
And she went a little farther 

500
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,240
with this. 
What she did was she had Danis 

501
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,000
claim Valerian the night before 
she dreamt of the Doom. 

502
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,400
So she claims Valerian, who is 
listed to be about only about 

503
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,480
the size of a horse at that 
time, and that very night she 

504
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,880
dreams of the Doom. 
That's pretty cool. 

505
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:55,960
And they also invented a mother 
for Gaiman and Danis. 

506
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080
So that would be Anar's wife 
because we don't know her name, 

507
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,040
and T named her Elena, which 
makes a lot of sense because 

508
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,560
Elaine is also one of the 
daughters of Danis and Game, and

509
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,120
so it kind of makes sense that 
they would name one of their 

510
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,800
daughters after their mother. 
It's also a recurring Targaryen 

511
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,600
name, so it just fits. 
More on her later because T 

512
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,600
fleshed out a bit of her 
personality in ways that I think

513
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,120
is a good template for us to 
consider how a lot of the 

514
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,160
Targaryens felt about living in 
Dragonstone after having moved 

515
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,400
away from Valyria. 
So more on that later. 

516
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,400
Lady Sophia Valerian sends a 
super chat, says hello from the 

517
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,600
DMV area. 
Have a great holiday weekend, 

518
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,160
you as well, lady Sophia 
Valerian. 

519
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Glad we could be doing a topic 
here that relates to your 

520
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,280
household indirectly and to the 
rest of you out there as well. 

521
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Have a great holiday weekend. 
We hope you're doing well. 

522
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,040
Hope you're safe and happy 
enjoying this podcast in a in a 

523
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,840
good place. 
Divining the doom. 

524
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,640
We've said plenty of times that 
there's basically no way Aynar 

525
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,200
would have listened to his 
maiden daughter about such a big

526
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,600
prophecy, such a thing that 
would cause them to move to 

527
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,360
another continent, if she hadn't
proven herself with other 

528
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:05,560
prophecy first. 
Like there's no way this was the

529
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,640
first thing they gambled on. 
Like, well, looks like our 

530
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,400
daughter's a dreamer. 
She hasn't proven it yet, we 

531
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,200
haven't had a single one of her 
prophecies come true. 

532
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,480
But let's uproot our entire 
family and move to Westeros 

533
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,280
because of this, right? 
That doesn't make any sense, 

534
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,840
does it? 
It's either it could be the 

535
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,880
thing we said before that they 
made it all up to justify like 

536
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,040
fleeing from some political 
thing. 

537
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,920
They lost, you know, they were 
in danger and then they made-up 

538
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,000
this prophecy stuff later. 
There's enough evidence to 

539
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,160
suggest that it probably really 
did happen. 

540
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,600
But again, I like entertaining 
these deconstructions of of 

541
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,960
legends and and looking at how 
the winners would exaggerate 

542
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,560
their their past to make 
themselves look better. 

543
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,880
It's also kind of hard to 
imagine, though. 

544
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,400
She was the only one, right? 
There's lots of prophecy, 

545
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,400
there's lots of magic to predict
the future in this world. 

546
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,040
And Valyria was extremely 
steeped in sorcery, right? 

547
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,880
And they were very open. 
Valyria was as a freehold to a 

548
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,040
variety of religions, a variety 
of religions, many of which had 

549
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,240
their own versions of prophecy, 
like the Red priests. 

550
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:16,800
So do we, I suppose believe that
a lot of them saw it, but it 

551
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,240
just they didn't believe it. 
They didn't understand it or 

552
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,120
they weren't willing to move to 
another continent to avoid it. 

553
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,640
They just couldn't get 
themselves to accept it. 

554
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,680
Maybe there was a lot of denial 
going on. 

555
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,640
I tend to believe that some 
other people moved, some others 

556
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,920
left, but not in a not on a 
scale that would have been 

557
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,840
noticed historically, like some 
small sect, some small cult 

558
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,560
leaves, you know, this other 
group with this followers is 

559
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,080
maybe the some popular street 
prophet that they're listening 

560
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,400
to him. 
So they go, they leave too, 

561
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,200
because they hear that he is 
having dreams of, of this 

562
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,560
violent destruction of the 
entire continent or of the city 

563
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,280
or however the dreams manifest. 
It's just kind of hard to 

564
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,160
believe the Danis was the only 
one, right? 

565
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,440
Like that's, that's pretty 
tough. 

566
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,480
It's also going to get really 
deep into theory. 

567
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,480
There's always the idea that the
weirwood network is responsible.

568
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,440
We'd be like, what? 
How is that possible? 

569
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,920
Aziz Well, if the Werewood 
network is, is preparing itself 

570
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,400
for a distant long term future 
battle against the others and 

571
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,800
they know they're going to need 
the power of Dragons for that. 

572
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,400
Well, they need to prepare for 
that was like, well, if they can

573
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,720
foresee the doom, they might 
They got to go. 

574
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,520
Well, we need at least one of 
these dragonlord families to to 

575
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,560
leave that place so that their 
Dragons survive, so that 102 

576
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,000
hundred, 304 hundred, however 
many years from now, those 

577
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,600
Dragons can help us defeat the 
others. 

578
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,360
Now, of course, the Dragons died
out anyway and then came back. 

579
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,280
But but if those eggs and 
Dragons hadn't been rescued from

580
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,640
Valyria before the Doom, then 
the I don't even think that the 

581
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Dragons could have come back 
later, because even the eggs 

582
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,520
would have all been destroyed, 
probably there may not have even

583
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,720
clutches left. 
So it's a thin theory. 

584
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,400
It's very out there, but it's 
it's worth mentioning that, you 

585
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,440
know, if you've got people that 
can see the future and they know

586
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,360
they're going to need Dragons, 
well then they would take steps 

587
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,640
to that would explain why only 
one person or one family had 

588
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,680
these dreams that they listen to
because they were targeted. 

589
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,640
The Werewood Nets, like let's 
target this young girl, give her

590
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,920
these dreams, make them real, 
make her believe them. 

591
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,960
You know, do it in a way that 
her father is convinced because 

592
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,200
she's been right about other 
things. 

593
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,000
See, you see, when you stack it 
all up, it does kind of become a

594
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,560
little far fetched, but it's 
it's possible. 

595
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,960
Nina adds that yeah, there's 
it's possible that people for 

596
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,920
the most part, saw what they 
wanted to see when they're 

597
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,440
looking for visions of the 
future. 

598
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,600
Think of Melisandre. 
Melisandre just basically just 

599
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,600
fills in the blanks, like, yeah,
it's probably right. 

600
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,120
And then tells people it's 
right. 

601
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Like she did with Eastwatch when
she's envisioning the girl in 

602
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Gray on a dying horse. 
She's like, yeah, got to be 

603
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,080
Arya. 
She just jumps to a lot of 

604
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,640
conclusions there. 
It's a great example, a classic 

605
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,600
example of someone seeing what 
they want and then being 

606
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,040
confident without deserving it, 
right? 

607
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Like the it's unearned 
confidence. 

608
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360
But Melisandre is a very 
confident person. 

609
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,840
She delivers these things with 
charisma and, you know, puts 

610
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,680
them in a way that makes you 
believe them, right? 

611
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,480
She's really convincing so that 
we could have a lot of that 

612
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,040
going on. 
People don't want to go out 

613
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,520
there and say everybody's going 
to die. 

614
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,240
Like you sound like a crazy St. 
preacher. 

615
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,040
Like the doom, the doom is 
coming. 

616
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,800
Like we we've all probably seen 
a dude or it's usually a dude, 

617
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,160
but a person on the street 
corner going, you know, the end 

618
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,240
is nigh, you know, repent. 
Like nobody listens to that guy.

619
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,840
That's probably true in ancient 
times too. 

620
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:48,720
Like who's going to listen to 
that? 

621
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,720
No one wants to hear that, even 
if it's true. 

622
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,600
Yeah, we're all, as a species, 
we're good at denial, especially

623
00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,400
on a especially on a mass level.
So, yeah, it's also, Nina also 

624
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800
has these Valyrian freeholders. 
There's they've been doing what 

625
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,120
they've been doing for thousands
of years. 

626
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,680
And they probably just don't 
believe it. 

627
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,400
They just, they're just maybe a 
little arrogant. 

628
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,600
They're like, Nah, we got this. 
We we're so powerful. 

629
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,640
We, we've got sorceress energy. 
We can control these volcanoes. 

630
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,040
We rule the world. 
You know, we're not worried 

631
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,640
about this. 
So, yeah, arrogance, you know, 

632
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,320
arrogance paired with denial. 
And Yandel of all people does 

633
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,040
allude to the faith of the lore,
possibly being responsible or 

634
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,440
partly responsible. 
He he says that others speak of 

635
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,200
the priests of the Lord calling 
down the fire of their God and 

636
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,840
queer rituals. 
Probably not. 

637
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,600
But it goes to show how people 
just make these connections 

638
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,400
because they don't have answers.
And not having answers is an 

639
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,840
unsatisfactory place to land for
a lot of people. 

640
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,480
A lot of us are very 
uncomfortable not landing on 

641
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,400
something. 
We have to have reasons, even if

642
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,200
they aren't supported by 
evidence. 

643
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,520
We hate mysteries, Not 
everybody, but that's the common

644
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,840
thing for people. 
It's like, we got to have an 

645
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,040
answer here, you know, give me 
an answer so I can at least 

646
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,560
think about something else. 
So did the red priest see the 

647
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,400
dragonlords as favored by 
Rellore or? 

648
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,679
Yeah, it is a whole nother 
subtopic here, but it's 

649
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,719
interesting to consider. 
Like, how do Dragons figure into

650
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,560
the whole Rellorism angle? 
It's not, it's not exactly 

651
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,520
explained to this point. 
Or was it the other way around? 

652
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,440
Is it the doom was divine 
punishment by Rellore? 

653
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,639
Like this is the ultimate power 
of fire being unleashed on a 

654
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,120
civilization. 
They weren't Rellore 

655
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,880
worshippers. 
You could easily see why they 

656
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,400
deserve to be destroyed. 
They do all this manipulation of

657
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,199
fire and and all that and they 
don't give due to Rellore, the 

658
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,960
God of all that. 
Like that's blasphemous. 

659
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,760
You know, they should be 
thankful and we should give Anar

660
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,760
a little credit here. 
Probably going against the grain

661
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,800
would have been difficult. 
We saw how his family became a 

662
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,920
laughingstock, which is, by the 
way, part of why the theory that

663
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,120
this was made-up to cover up 
some embarrassing political 

664
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,640
failure is has a little bit of 
legs as an idea. 

665
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,160
But again, I think this was 
something he had proof of. 

666
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,160
His daughter had been right 
about several things. 

667
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,280
She was already writing a book, 
Signs and Portents as a child. 

668
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,560
So this isn't faith, This is 
evidence based, I think. 

669
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,000
But there might have been a 
little faith mixed in there too.

670
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,840
But mostly I think it's evidence
based, but there wasn't a lot of

671
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,200
time for this. 
Like how much could she have 

672
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,920
proven if she was a child? 
Like how many possible? 

673
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,920
There's no long term when you're
what, 12 or 10 or something like

674
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,240
that. 
How many prophecies could she 

675
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,760
possibly have been right about 
over just a decade or less? 

676
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,240
Like she's not delivering 
prophecies when she's 2. 

677
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,080
She can't even speak yet. 
So maybe she's four and she 

678
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,440
starts delivering prophecies. 
That's kind of stretching it, 

679
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,440
right? 
What a creepy kid, you know, 

680
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,920
like what is she Alia from doom 
the dark, the speaking like an 

681
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,720
adult the minute she pops out of
the womb. 

682
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,520
Like I don't think so. 
And she would go on to marry her

683
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,200
brother. 
So, you know, maiden daughter 

684
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
couldn't have lasted that long. 
They probably got married 

685
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,120
relatively early in life 
because, well, it was a it was a

686
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,400
foregone conclusion that they 
would and it's not like there 

687
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,760
were a lot of them. 
They need to, they need to breed

688
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,240
to keep the the family alive. 
It's also possible that Aynar 

689
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,400
may have been more ready to 
accept the idea of voluntary 

690
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,640
exile if he knew it was going to
happen, if he felt confident 

691
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,800
that his daughter was right. 
And they're all laughing at him.

692
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,280
He's like, I can take the 
laughter. 

693
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,760
I can take the shame and the 
shunning, because they're all 

694
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,280
going to explode. 
And then who's going to have the

695
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,080
last laugh? 
I'm going to have to be patient 

696
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,760
about it. 
It might suck. 

697
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,920
It might suck for a long time, 
and it would be 12 years. 

698
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,720
So it was a long time. 
We're not 100% sure Anr even 

699
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,480
lasted all the 12 of those 
years. 

700
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,040
But if he did, he would have it 
would have been maybe bitter. 

701
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,440
So he's like, yeah, I'm not 
happy that Valyria exploded. 

702
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,080
But those jerks that laughed at 
me and I showed them, you know, 

703
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,440
really don't know what was in 
his mind at that point. 

704
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,720
But, you know, I could see how 
it would all be very distracting

705
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,680
to when the when the tidal waves
showed up, it was like, oh, 

706
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,560
what's that smoke in the 
distance? 

707
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,880
Did it? 
Did it really happen? 

708
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,120
Oh my God, the doom happened. 
Holy crap. 

709
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,840
Well, they wouldn't have called 
it the Doom yet, but that's when

710
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,920
they would have maybe started 
kicking around names for it. 

711
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,760
So none of this undermines the 
point of Danny's being a Seer, 

712
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,800
but you know, because we know a 
lot of it, like a lot of 

713
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,640
Valyrian houses employed, like 
sorcerer Princess and they 

714
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,000
controlled the the flames of the
14 volcanoes and all that. 

715
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440
So there's a lot of magic 
already implied here. 

716
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:34,720
So yeah, the willingness to 
believe is somewhat preloaded 

717
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,680
here, but I think what's even 
more interested or interesting 

718
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:43,280
is how much the Targaryens rely 
on prophecy after this. 

719
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,720
And you can see why they're only
alive today because their 

720
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,600
ancestor Anar listened to Danis 
in the 1st place. 

721
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:57,080
So that's going to tilt you as a
whole as a family unit towards 

722
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,040
believing in prophecies given 
one saved your whole family from

723
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,280
exploding. 
The ball sends a super chat says

724
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,320
yay made it glad y'all guys are 
still going yeah, I'm glad you 

725
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,440
made it too poof ball. 
We we always appreciate when 

726
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,840
y'all show up live it it's it's 
great when y'all consume our 

727
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,320
content. 
You know anytime whether you 

728
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,480
watch it afterwards or during 
before it's all great for us. 

729
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,320
We love that. 
But when you come live and hang 

730
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,920
out and and chat with the other 
commenters and and join the 

731
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,960
community like that it is it's 
special for us. 

732
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,320
So we appreciate that. 
Let's talk about before the span

733
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,800
of time, just before the doom. 
Say, let's say after the 

734
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,000
prophecy was delivered, but 
before it actually happened. 

735
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,880
After they moved, but before the
doom actually happened. 

736
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:46,320
Here is a brief quote. 12 years 
before the Doom of Valyria, 114 

737
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,040
BC, Aynar Targaryen sold his 
holdings in the Freehold and the

738
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,720
lands of the Long Summer and 
moved with all his wives, 

739
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:03,840
wealth, slaves, Dragons, 
siblings, kin and children to 

740
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,520
Dragonstone, a bleak island 
citadel beneath a smoking 

741
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,800
mountain in the Narrow Sea. 
Really sounds like the setup to 

742
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,560
a sitcom. 
It is, in fact, there. 

743
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,400
We've got more tropes for you 
here. 

744
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,760
Given this topic is low on 
direct detail, we're able to 

745
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,520
play with some of the the 
vagueness in our own way, which 

746
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,480
is its own kind of fun. 
But just before that, let me set

747
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,040
it up a little. 
This is a simple statement, 

748
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,320
right? 
He moved everybody but that list

749
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,760
wives, wealths, slaves, Dragons,
siblings, kin. 

750
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,800
And there's a lot, there's a lot
of people implied there, but we 

751
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,360
don't hear about any of them 
really, except for the children 

752
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,560
and the Dragons, the other kin, 
the cousins. 

753
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Like who are these people? 
Is this House Koharis and House 

754
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,440
Baratheon right? 
Is this who we're talking about?

755
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,480
Probably like lesser lordlings, 
kind of the equivalent of a 

756
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,120
House Cassell or a House pool. 
Houses that don't have land but 

757
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:09,560
are deeply entwined with House 
Stark and have been holding, you

758
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,080
know, hereditary titles like 
Master at arms or the household 

759
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,200
steward for generations. 
So the Targaryens probably had 

760
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,760
things like that. 
We don't know who those houses 

761
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,560
are necessarily, but yes, 
Koharis would have been one of 

762
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,200
them and then Baratheon another 
one. 

763
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,040
But yeah, who are those other 
people? 

764
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,840
What happened to the other 
siblings and the kin? 

765
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,440
And we don't really know, but 
it's something that maybe gets 

766
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,960
developed a little bit later. 
So the word bleak is important 

767
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,000
here, really important, right? 
The Bleak Island Citadel beneath

768
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,520
the Smoking mountain in the 
Narrow Sea. 

769
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,560
Imagine living at the heart of 
the most powerful civilization 

770
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,880
ever known, wielding immense 
wealth and control for Eon, and 

771
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,640
then leaving to live in a Bleak 
Island Citadel. 

772
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,200
And yeah, if the story of this 
flight in their early years that

773
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,480
Dragonstone were written, if 
this was like a a separate story

774
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,360
or ATV show being made, it would
absolutely be the fish out of 

775
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,800
water trope or the from New York
to nowhere trope. 

776
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,560
It's like Schitt's Creek. 
If you all know the show 

777
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Schitt's Creek, it's a family 
that loses everything except 

778
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,080
they oops. 
We also have we happen to not 

779
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,000
lose this one small town we own 
and we'll go live there. 

780
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,040
This is kind of like that. 
They didn't lose it all. 

781
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,960
They gave it all up. 
In this case, they they they 

782
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,680
still had a bunch of money. 
Except for that small island 

783
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,440
they own, yeah. 
Except for that small island, 

784
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,360
it's the same. 
Thing it really is like that 

785
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,600
show, yeah. 
And so this is where the TV show

786
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,960
added some extra background 
detail. 

787
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,400
We pointed out that they gave a 
name to 1 of Aynar's wives, the 

788
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,920
one who's Danny's mother. 
That's again, Elena and Hot Dee 

789
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,280
portrays her as sort of trying 
to live the lifestyle as if she 

790
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,800
was still in Valyria, just kind 
of stubbornly behaving that way 

791
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,840
and still spending money as if 
they had the incomes they used 

792
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,000
to have, which is that's a fish 
out of water trope right there. 

793
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,840
You get the rich family that 
still acts like they're rich and

794
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,600
powerful, but they're they're 
living around a bunch of people 

795
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,440
who don't even care that they're
rich or it's not are not 

796
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,880
impressed by it or, you know, 
variety of different shenanigans

797
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,200
pop up. 
So there you go. 

798
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,720
Here is another quote to fill 
out the picture a bit more. 

799
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,880
Here it is quote. 
At its apex, Valyria was the 

800
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,680
greatest city in the known 
world, the center of 

801
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,960
civilization. 
Within its shining walls, 2 

802
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:36,440
score Rival houses vied for 
power and glory in court and 

803
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:42,640
council, rising and falling in 
an endless, subtle, OFT savage 

804
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,320
struggle for dominance. 
The Targaryens were far from the

805
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,720
most powerful of the 
dragonlords, and their rivals 

806
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,960
saw their flight to Dragonstone 
as an act of surrender, as 

807
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,320
cowardice. 
But Lord Anar's maiden daughter 

808
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,760
Danis, known forever afterward 
as Danis the Dreamer, had 

809
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,320
foreseen the destruction of 
Valyria by fire, and when the 

810
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:17,200
Doom came 12 years later, the 
Targaryens were the only dragon 

811
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,760
Lords to survive. 
Again, the mention of maiden 

812
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,600
daughter Danis. 
It's almost always included here

813
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,720
as an important detail or as a 
detail, so we assume it's 

814
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,320
important or notable because of 
that. 

815
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,240
Ena has another good theory 
here. 

816
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,320
The mockery from the other 
dragonlords might imply that 

817
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,480
Aynar didn't tell them he got 
the prophecy from his daughter. 

818
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,000
He believed it, but then made-up
some other reason why he was 

819
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,800
leaving. 
Didn't say we're leaving because

820
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000
we know the doom or a doom is 
coming. 

821
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000
We we, we believe this entire 
continent's going to explode, so

822
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,280
we're leaving. 
That's another angle to this. 

823
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,720
That is a a very worthy thought 
That explains a lot. 

824
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,520
That explains why they didn't 
leave. 

825
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,240
Because they didn't know about 
it. 

826
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,400
Ainar was the only one to learn,
or the only important, 

827
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,280
historically notable person to 
to hear about it, and he didn't 

828
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,640
tell anyone else other than, you
know, his allies, the ones who 

829
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,680
were going to leave with him. 
Do you think he didn't tell 

830
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,400
anyone else because he wanted 
profit gain or because he didn't

831
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,560
want to be further made fun of? 
Maybe a little of both, yeah. 

832
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,880
Like, he may have seen the long 
term advantage of being the only

833
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,120
dragonlords to survive, which is
what happened. 

834
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,480
But in order to pull that off, 
he would have to suffer. 

835
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,520
He'd have to do pull, do the 
John Connington kind of thing, 

836
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,840
like pretend that the shame was 
earned. 

837
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,360
Like, yeah, I drank myself to 
death in exile. 

838
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,440
And then. 
But he's all just waiting for, 

839
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,440
you know, 15 years later, 17 
years later are going to come 

840
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,400
back and we'll you, we'll show 
you. 

841
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,240
Well, they won't actually get 
shown. 

842
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,000
They'll just be exploded. 
Everybody's be gone. 

843
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,440
But either way, it's a long term
play that it did work. 

844
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,800
You got to say it. 
It worked. 

845
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,440
If that's what he was aiming 
for, it played out brilliantly. 

846
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,760
And and of course they're not 
going to like look for reason. 

847
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,480
They're like, why is he really 
leaving? 

848
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,480
You know, is there? 
Does he know about something we 

849
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,480
don't like? 
No, they're just going to be 

850
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,440
glad that in one of these forty 
families is leaving. 

851
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,840
They're going to laugh at them 
for being weak, but they're also

852
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,000
going to be happy that that's 
just one less seat at the table 

853
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,400
to fight over. 
All right. 

854
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,840
So some other smaller family 
might be able to move up and 

855
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,560
take their place amongst the 40 
families. 

856
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,680
Not that it's literally 40 at 
all times. 

857
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,080
Probably. 
That's just an estimate, but 

858
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,800
still, it does create an 
opening. 

859
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,280
There's a small power vacuum 
that could be filled for about 

860
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,240
12 years until they're all gone.
The bigger power vacuum came 

861
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:38,000
afterwards. 
But 12 years is a long time. 

862
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,800
Like, did doubt start to creep 
in? 

863
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,480
Was Aynor like, Nope, it's going
to happen, be patient, y'all? 

864
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,640
Or were some of his vassals like
this was a mistake, I'm going 

865
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,120
back. 
Like some of them returned to 

866
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,200
Valyria. 
Like, yeah, I got antsy, you 

867
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,920
know? 
Can you imagine if someone's 

868
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,120
like, I'm just going to go back 
for a quick visit and like, and 

869
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,640
it was that week. 
It was that week. 

870
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Whoops. 
Like bro, I would not go. 

871
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,600
It could happen anytime. 
It's like a ticking time bomb. 

872
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,720
Yeah, it could be tomorrow, it 
could be 5 years from now. 

873
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,920
But like, who takes that risk? 
Yeah, you've been told that for 

874
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,680
10 years and you're like, I I'm 
going, OK, I'm going and then. 

875
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,480
You're like, Oh no, Oh no. 
Like did she have more visions? 

876
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,520
Did she have follow-ups? 
It's like, yo, I have not had 

877
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,640
another vision about this. 
It's been five years and I 

878
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,880
haven't had another one. 
They'd be like, were you wrong 

879
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,400
or is this like, 50 years in the
future? 

880
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,960
You know, Yeah. 
There's no timeline for these 

881
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,600
visions. 
These things aren't, like, 

882
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,240
notated with time stamps, you 
know? 

883
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:35,680
She's not like, oh, yeah. 
In the dream, there were, like, 

884
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,920
numbers. 
There was, like a chart. 

885
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,280
Yeah, I got it all. 
Don't worry. 

886
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,600
I have a photographic memory. 
Nah, of course not. 

887
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,560
How would she have any sort of 
sense of when, You know what I 

888
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,560
mean? 
Like I have an image of the of 

889
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,840
Valyria exploding, but I what's 
going to tell her the timeline 

890
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,400
of that? 
You know, I mean, she could have

891
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,120
a sense of it, like, oh, it's 
soon, It's soon, but maybe not, 

892
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,160
might just be like, Yep, at some
point in the future this will 

893
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,400
happen. 
But but we also like that's a 

894
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,320
general question about how this 
all works. 

895
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,000
Like what triggers her vision? 
Does she know when they're 

896
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,280
coming? 
Can she sit there and 

897
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,000
concentrate, you know, or is it 
just kind of random? 

898
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Like Red priest can gaze into 
the flames. 

899
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,720
That's a trigger for them. 
The Ghost of High Heart, I don't

900
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,200
even know. 
She can just seem to do it at 

901
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,160
will. 
So we really don't know how it 

902
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,560
works for Danis. 
If we go by other Targaryen 

903
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,520
dreamers, it is sort of out of 
their control, just kind of 

904
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,040
happens. 
But she is kind of unique in a 

905
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,120
lot of ways. 
So maybe it's a little more 

906
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,480
straightforward. 
Maybe it's a little more like 

907
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,360
Macoro or the Ghost of High 
Heart where she can just kind of

908
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,320
rattle off facts about the 
world, you know, just by 

909
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,560
thinking about it, like just 
kind of like the go goes to 

910
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,760
higher. 
I just will tell them where 

911
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,120
Barrick was like, well, you came
to me to find Barrick. 

912
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,520
He's there. 
He's over here. 

913
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,200
You know, there's a wedding at 
the twins coming up. 

914
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,920
She just knows these things. 
So Danny's that's not usually 

915
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,200
how Targaryen dreamers are 
portrayed, but it we don't 

916
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,680
exactly have a lot of bases here
for what it's supposed to be 

917
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,160
like. 
So yeah, it's it's very much an 

918
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,000
open line here. 
Here's another little tidbit I 

919
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,040
like. 
It's this is more of this is 

920
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,280
show cannon but it it's a good 
little take that I enjoy. 

921
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,240
This line is given to given to 
us by the animated History of 

922
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,520
the Seven Kingdoms. 
Imagine Harry Lloyd's voice 

923
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,760
saying this because he's a 
narrator for this line. 

924
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,080
Legends claim that his daughter 
foresaw the destruction of the 

925
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,880
city in a dream. 
More likely, Ahnar met with some

926
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,520
mishap at court and chose exile 
over execution. 

927
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,800
So even the show extra bonus 
material is like entertaining 

928
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,640
the idea that ain't our made it 
up to to save face. 

929
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,520
Which is cool because we love 
the deconstruction of myths and 

930
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,160
legends. 
George does a lot of that. 

931
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,520
So I appreciate the show having 
Viserys of all people scoff at 

932
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,920
it because Viserys is the, you 
know, he's the experiencing the 

933
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,000
end of the Targaryen dynasty. 
So he a part of him might resent

934
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,360
the notion that they were that 
powerful in the past. 

935
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,280
Like, yeah, we wasn't that big. 
He loves the idea of them having

936
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,280
Dragons and all that stuff. 
He can't deny that. 

937
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,640
But the idea of this is like 
he's cynical about it. 

938
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,120
But that's what it is. 
I think. 

939
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,120
It's not history. 
This is Viserys opinion, but 

940
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,760
it's a valid opinion. 
It's it's, you know, considering

941
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,840
deconstruction of myths and 
legends is a valid way to 

942
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,680
approach the material. 
So yeah, let's see how this 

943
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,680
fits. 
Is it, Is this a possibility for

944
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,800
a made-up thing or not? 
And then go from there. 

945
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,760
So what about after? 
What about after the dune? 

946
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,280
What my life must have been 
like? 

947
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,960
It must have be just like, wow. 
And it's hard to imagine, but we

948
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,040
can at least give it a shot. 
There's another line from Harry 

949
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,600
Lloyd's Viserys quote. 
Then Anar's descendant settled 

950
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,920
into it like a tomb for their 
lost homeland. 

951
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,200
So again, he's just denigrating 
his ancestors, saying they were 

952
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,840
all pining for the glory days of
speak. 

953
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,360
What a hypocrite. 
Pining for the glory days. 

954
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,080
Ava Saris. 
Doesn't sound like you at all, 

955
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,360
does it? 
So, yeah, so he's, he's 

956
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,520
imagined, he's projecting, I 
think, because they must have 

957
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,800
been sad over their lost glory, 
like I am. 

958
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,440
Those yeah, those histories and 
lores are good for like 

959
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,400
capturing the character psyche a
lot of the time very well. 

960
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,400
Yeah, they're, they're 
surprisingly solid for, I mean, 

961
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,440
even their show Canon differs. 
Yeah, they are. 

962
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,560
They're surprisingly good. 
Even though they're they differ.

963
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,080
You have to keep your Canon 
straight. 

964
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,120
When we're dealing with Canon 
like this. 

965
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,120
So, so little of it is settled, 
which is why we have more time 

966
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,560
for TV show content today, even 
though this is still 

967
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,600
overwhelmingly book content. 
You know, the TV show stuff gets

968
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,720
a mention. 
It wouldn't take long for them 

969
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,200
to know that the doom had 
happened, right? 

970
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,040
There would be like visual 
signs. 

971
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,320
You could look out the window of
Dragonstone and probably see the

972
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,440
smoke in the distance, and there
would be waves and stuff. 

973
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,320
And it wouldn't be long before 
merchant ships arrived with news

974
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:54,000
like, yo, that continent's gone.
There were some people that were

975
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,040
close enough to it that 
survived, like maybe in 

976
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,160
Volantis, which is, you know, 
just outside the the continent 

977
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,440
that it didn't sink. 
But maybe 10 miles, 20 miles, 30

978
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,520
miles West or east, it did. 
So there might have been some 

979
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,040
incredible visual, like 
witnesses, people who saw it 

980
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,480
happen. 
And their stories would be 

981
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,640
sought after by people in power.
They'd want to know what 

982
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,720
happened. 
And just the immediate 

983
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,280
aftermath, people writing down 
their reasons, the rumors, the 

984
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,520
stories, just there's nothing 
like it in the real world for us

985
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,320
to point to. 
Like, remember that day that 

986
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,200
that entire continent vanished? 
What? 

987
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,120
What's the modern equivalent? 
Like China's sinking into the 

988
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,480
sea? 
I mean, China's not Valyria, 

989
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,560
like the US, maybe the entire 
East Coast of the US, like New 

990
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,840
York and the Eastern Seaboard 
sinking into the sea. 

991
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,360
Is that the closest thing we can
think of? 

992
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,800
Well, yeah. 
Nothing like that's ever 

993
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,440
happened. 
Atlantis. 

994
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,480
That didn't really happen. 
Atlantis is a myth, but the idea

995
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,280
of it is as close as we can get.
Maybe. 

996
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,600
And that's only one city, not a 
whole, like, civilization. 

997
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,680
So weird. 
Yeah, I did like did Aynar like 

998
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,320
hop on his dragon and fly over 
there to take a look for 

999
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,240
himself, which is like a 
reasonable thing to do. 

1000
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:08,600
Like he would have an unique way
to go see for himself. 

1001
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,640
Maybe Gaiman went with him, 
maybe Danis went, you know, 

1002
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,720
they. 
Couldn't get very close. 

1003
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,160
No, they probably couldn't get 
very close. 

1004
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,360
The air would be toxic, but they
could at least get close enough 

1005
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,200
to be like, whoa, this is really
bad. 

1006
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,640
Like, we're not even close and 
we can't go any farther. 

1007
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,600
That alone would be stunning, 
you know, wow and she might have

1008
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,920
follow up visions like she would
see the blasted landscape of 

1009
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,880
Valyria and then she could go 
fly out and see it and be like, 

1010
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,480
Yep, confirmed. 
I dreamed of this crazy thing. 

1011
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,320
Just it's it's again. 
I use this example in the intro.

1012
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,800
I hope I'm wrong, but I think 
the hope of Valyria is going to 

1013
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,920
explode and then it happened. 
That's not satisfying to be 

1014
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,440
right about that. 
You go you. 

1015
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,600
She would spend that whole 
decade going, I hope I'm wrong, 

1016
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,120
I hope I'm wrong, I hope I'm 
wrong. 

1017
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,960
And then it actually happens. 
Like that would make any dream 

1018
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,200
you ever have of something bad 
just frightening. 

1019
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,960
Like, oh, God, there's another 
one. 

1020
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,400
Of course, nothing else would 
probably ever be this bad, but 

1021
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,360
maybe it maybe it would be. 
In the second-half of the 

1022
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,840
episode, we're going to discuss 
all the potential things she 

1023
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,000
could have seen in other dreams.
Like, did she see Valerian's 

1024
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,800
future? 
Did she see the Dance of the 

1025
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,400
Dragons? 
There's a lot of examples like 

1026
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,240
that that we got to consider. 
And it may have kicked off a 

1027
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,520
whole new wave of dreams for 
her. 

1028
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,000
This is a new world now. 
Valyria's gone. 

1029
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,000
The world is vastly changed in a
second. 

1030
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,120
The full extent of those changes
takes a while to play out, but 

1031
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,440
she might have dreams of that, 
of the new world, of what's 

1032
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,480
going to happen. 
Maybe she dreamt of Gagasos's 

1033
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,960
rise and then death to, well, 
the Red Death, the plague that 

1034
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,440
wiped them out. 
These are just massive world 

1035
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,640
events that could have popped up
in her mind. 

1036
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,920
Maybe not because they don't 
have anything to do with her 

1037
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,520
directly, but we don't know how 
these things work. 

1038
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,120
What is the nature of prophecy? 
Do you see things that are 

1039
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,520
irrelevant to you entirely that 
you have no perspective for? 

1040
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,960
Maybe you do, maybe you don't. 
Maybe you just don't write those

1041
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,200
down because you don't know what
to say. 

1042
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,880
More of the after after. 
You know, you're talking about 

1043
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,800
her mother Elena and and and TS 
concept for her or whatever, and

1044
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,680
her being kind of, I don't know,
a fashionista. 

1045
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,560
She likes to spend money or 
whatever, right? 

1046
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,760
Well, anyways, the idea just 
that Danis might have had a 

1047
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,840
conflict with her mother the 
whole time they're there where 

1048
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,080
her mother's resenting her for 
making them come there. 

1049
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:30,400
So there would be moments where 
Danis was like, man, I hope I'm 

1050
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,480
right. 
Oh God, I'm I'm messed up in the

1051
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,200
head for thinking a whole 
continent. 

1052
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,280
But like she, she would have had
to have had moments where she 

1053
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,880
was like, I'm tired of 
justifying myself. 

1054
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,120
I've all these people like not 
just her mother, but probably 

1055
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,920
many people resented her for 
making them all calm. 

1056
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,520
And so I, I, she has to have had
moments where she was like. 

1057
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,320
A pariah. 
I'm right, yeah. 

1058
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,480
And then she felt bad for hoping
she was right. 

1059
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,120
Yeah, I was like, if I'm right, 
all these people die. 

1060
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,200
If I'm wrong, then all these 
people are correct to label me 

1061
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,800
like an outcast or a pariah. 
At least her father was on her 

1062
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,520
side, you know, so that helps. 
At least he seemed to be on her 

1063
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,040
side. 
Maybe he even started to waffle 

1064
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:07,880
a bit. 
You never know. 

1065
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,480
Yeah. 
Exactly, like anytime anyone 

1066
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,920
doubts her, she would have these
moments. 

1067
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,400
But she's like, oh I hope I'm 
wrong, I'm right, but she 

1068
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,360
doesn't want to be right 
anyways. 

1069
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,400
It's just really complex. 
It had to have been very 

1070
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,720
troubling to her. 
It really would like this is the

1071
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:22,880
thing. 
Like in any media, in any story,

1072
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,680
in any fantasy element, sci-fi 
will you name it. 

1073
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,080
If there's anyone who can 
predict the future, they are 

1074
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,040
unhappy. 
There is. 

1075
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,720
It's almost 99.9%. 
Like it's super hard to think of

1076
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,760
an example of a character who 
can predict the future or who 

1077
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,240
has accessed the future and it 
goes well for them. 

1078
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,360
Like what are the exceptions? 
Like, I don't know, Back to the 

1079
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:48,880
future when not even really like
Biff stole the the the sport 

1080
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,040
Almanac book so he could win 
bets and that ruined the future.

1081
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,480
So like, at least everything's 
bad. 

1082
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,240
It's universally bad and George 
isn't that's not a trope. 

1083
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,800
George reverse. 
Like, yeah, we're going to stick

1084
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,680
with prophecy equals bad because
it's it causes conflict. 

1085
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,040
Like it's too easy to look at 
and see how that would screw you

1086
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,520
up. 
It's hard to look at that and be

1087
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,640
like, yeah, this is a benefit, 
you know, seeing what's going to

1088
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,320
happen. 
It takes the saver out of life. 

1089
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,160
You, you just know everything 
that's going to happen. 

1090
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,880
There's so many reasons why it's
bad. 

1091
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,840
Very few reasons why it's good, 
Although there are some. 

1092
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,640
This is the drought era right 
now with the news that the 

1093
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,960
night, Night of Seven Kingdom 
show is pushed to January or 

1094
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,040
February. 
It's going to be quite a while 

1095
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,320
between show seasons. 
House of the Dragons, obviously 

1096
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,560
really far between seasons. 
It's a lot of production effort 

1097
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,560
to get that done. 
So this is kind of like a a low 

1098
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,200
point for the fandom. 
There's always still a we never 

1099
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,400
run out of things to talk about.
We have a list of topics that's 

1100
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,320
never going to run out, like 
literally, but definitely fewer 

1101
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,880
people are interested in Game of
Thrones content right now than 

1102
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,080
let's say they will be in a 
year. 

1103
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,360
That's just how it is. 
It waxes, it wanes. 

1104
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,000
There's ups and downs. 
The fandom is always very 

1105
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,280
strong, but it it, it can be 
more or less from a certain 

1106
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,720
baseline. 
So that's why we really rely on 

1107
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:10,560
you all this time of when we're 
in these low points, when the 

1108
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:14,000
fandom's in a bit of a drought 
era, because there's just not as

1109
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,640
many people around that are 
interested. 

1110
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,120
So we rely on you, the hardcore 
fans, to keep us going. 

1111
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,200
And the best way to do that is 
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1125
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,120
Several questions from you all 
today, which I think is great. 

1126
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,360
I love getting questions from 
you all. 

1127
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,680
This is an interesting topic and
one that's fraught with mystery 

1128
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,440
and difficult questions to 
answer, Desal says. 

1129
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,680
Is it mentioned how old of a 
religion Rellore is? 

1130
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,400
Like does it predate Valyrian 
religion? 

1131
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,200
We don't know now. 
We don't know how old it is, but

1132
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,880
I believe it's extremely old. 
Like it's older than we know. 

1133
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,280
I some of the records may have 
been lost when the doom 

1134
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,920
happened, like there may have 
been ancient records of how it's

1135
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,800
of how it began, because we're 
pretty sure it got its start in 

1136
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,920
Valyria. 
It became monotheistic, which is

1137
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,480
when it became kind of hostile 
to the other religions there. 

1138
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,240
So they left because they wanted
to be in a place that wasn't 

1139
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,200
open to other religions. 
They wanted to establish 

1140
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,840
themselves as the only religion.
And well, in the long term that 

1141
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,440
kind of happened. 
I mean, they, they aren't the 

1142
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,600
only religion, but they are the 
most powerful and numerous of an

1143
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,240
Essos. 
So yeah, that's kind of hard to 

1144
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,880
say. 
Now, a couple of y'all, Sir 

1145
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:59,760
Rogar and Pyramidion, for 
example, are totally on the 

1146
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:05,000
Valerian having a connection to 
the dreams here, like whether 

1147
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,600
it's Valerian directly giving 
Danis the dream, like the the 

1148
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,000
power of the dragon contains 
some of this prophetic energy 

1149
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,680
that Danis can tap into and see 
like see through the Dragon's 

1150
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,040
eyes. 
We've seen little bits of 

1151
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,600
supernatural connectivity 
between Targaryens and their 

1152
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,960
Dragons. 
Well, you know, it's not as 

1153
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,040
powerful as the skin changer 
bond, but there's a little 

1154
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:27,920
something there that goes beyond
just, you know, pet and human 

1155
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,360
right. 
There's definitely a little more

1156
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,520
to it than that. 
And you know, there's there's 

1157
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:37,840
things like Valerian will go 
back to Valyria under with area 

1158
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,600
riding him and we'll see the 
doom, the effect of the doom, 

1159
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,040
which may be that's something 
that Danny saw was Valerian's 

1160
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:51,400
future vision up close, like 
with his own eyes of what 

1161
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,440
Valyria turned into. 
So a vision of the future 

1162
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,880
through her Dragon's eyes. 
That's fitting that that could 

1163
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,040
work, right? 
That's not stretching the way 

1164
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,680
the supernatural powers seem to 
work in this world. 

1165
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,120
Here's an old tweet from Glidus.
Shout out to Glidus. 

1166
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,000
Big fan of Glidus. 
We had him and Alt shift X 

1167
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,400
hanging out at our house last 
year. 

1168
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,000
That was good times. 
I wish I could do this in his 

1169
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,200
voice, yeah. 
Me too. 

1170
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,320
Valerian really was the main 
character, wasn't he? 

1171
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,600
Foresaw the doom, cyclically 
warned his rider Danny's, forged

1172
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,120
the Seven Kingdoms in his 
flames, ruled over it for 

1173
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,200
decades, took a kid on a deadly 
joyride so he could see home one

1174
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,160
last time, and died due to his 
saris's cringe. 

1175
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,360
That's Gladys is hilarious. 
That is a great take. 

1176
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,680
And and where is the lie? 
Where what what's wrong about 

1177
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:37,360
all that? 
You could. 

1178
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,040
This is a valid interpretation 
too. 

1179
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,440
It's not it's a little comical, 
but it's also like, yeah, that 

1180
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,960
all adds up. 
That all aligns. 

1181
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,160
You go to our Valerian the Black
Tread episode for main character

1182
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,160
Valerian action. 
Yeah, we, we were on that tip as

1183
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,480
well. 
Here's a here's an A possible 

1184
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,160
ancestor of Valerian Cannibal, 
the dragon says. 

1185
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,840
Are the Dragons sending the 
dreams or someone else sending 

1186
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,120
them to get things they want, 
like the Children of Forest 

1187
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,080
maybe. 
Maybe they're just like 

1188
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,440
subconscious projectors of 
dreams. 

1189
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,640
Like they're too, I feel like 
they're too beastly and 

1190
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,840
animalistic to be like, you 
know, like the intelligent 

1191
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,960
Dragons of some stories like 
Smaug or whatever. 

1192
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,520
They're not, They're not that. 
But yeah, they, but they are 

1193
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,480
magical beings that could, you 
know, project energies that 

1194
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,240
humans could pick up on like a 
radar. 

1195
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,040
You meant descendant, not 
ancestor. 

1196
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,360
Oops. 
Yeah, descendant. 

1197
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,600
Yeah, not ancestor. 
Yes, the cannibal was descendant

1198
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,280
of Valerian, not ancestor of Yes
much later Valerian older, 

1199
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,640
probably there is some doubt, 
but yes, Blair and probably 

1200
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,240
older. 
Christina Kay says fun thing I 

1201
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,600
noticed about Targaryen names. 
A lot of the ray named women 

1202
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,160
were or should have been Queens 
and it sounds a lot like Reina. 

1203
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,320
Reina, which means queen. 
Oh, that's cool. 

1204
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,120
Yeah. 
I wonder if charge did that on 

1205
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,520
purpose. 
That's interesting. 

1206
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,040
Huh. 
Have maybe maybe further 

1207
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,840
research is is called for in 
this case. 

1208
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,560
Christina Kay. 
Good one, Magister 343 says. 

1209
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,000
Do we know that Danis and Gaiman
had the same mother? 

1210
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,480
Valyrians tended to be 
polygamist. 

1211
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,360
Actually, that's a good call. 
We don't we the family tree. 

1212
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,360
We kind of do though, because 
the family tree says they both 

1213
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,960
come from the same pairing, even
though we know that there were 

1214
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,440
multiple wives for Anar but and 
George did do that family tree. 

1215
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,240
So probably. 
But if George, I think he gave 

1216
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,440
himself room to maybe change 
that. 

1217
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,560
But I would suspect it's the 
same mother. 

1218
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,920
That's a very good, very good 
call of Magic 343 that it's not 

1219
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,120
a sure thing. 
Bryson Chung says. 

1220
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,120
The only happy future series I 
could think of are the second 

1221
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,040
Foundation. 
In the Foundation series, they 

1222
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,760
seem pretty OK with being 
entirely a secret as the Galaxy 

1223
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,720
collapsed around them. 
Yeah. 

1224
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,760
Yeah. 
So even then they'll even in 

1225
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,120
this positive future vision, 
they're still amidst just 

1226
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,000
everything going horribly like a
human civilization collapsing 

1227
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,400
into a dark age in this sci-fi 
setting, which is a big part of 

1228
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,440
Foundation. 
Shout out to that show, which is

1229
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,960
coming back in July. 
Yeah. 

1230
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,040
That's true. 
Yes it is. 

1231
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,120
Poof, Ball says says another 
super chat says Danny's had a 

1232
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,000
weirwood tree bed. 
Just kidding. 

1233
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,880
It's possible. 
The the Valyrians, the 

1234
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,280
Targaryens, they brought in all 
sorts of fancy things from 

1235
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,240
Westeros and they wanted the 
rare woods. 

1236
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,320
And it's possible. 
It's possible. 

1237
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,760
Actually. 
Let's talk about the Century of 

1238
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,680
Blood. 
Given all these mentions of her 

1239
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,880
being a maiden before the Doom, 
most of her life was probably 

1240
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,000
during the Century of Blood. 
After it, she was probably in 

1241
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,760
her mid 20s when the Doom 
happened, maybe even a little 

1242
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,840
younger. 
And unless she died young, which

1243
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,760
is possible, then we got to 
figure she lived probably 20-30,

1244
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,240
maybe 40-50 even years on 
Dragonstone after the Doom. 

1245
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:52,200
Here's a relevant quote for us. 
Yet Even so, for the best part 

1246
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,160
of 100 years after the Doom of 
Valyria, the rightly named 

1247
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,960
Century of Blood, House 
Targaryen looked E not West and 

1248
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,200
took little interest in the 
affairs of Westeros. 

1249
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:11,280
Gaiman Targaryen, brother and 
husband to Danis the Dreamer, 

1250
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:17,160
followed Anar the Exile as Lord 
of Dragonstone and became known 

1251
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:23,080
as Gaiman the Glorious. 
Gaiman's son Aegon and his 

1252
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,240
daughter Elena ruled together 
after his death. 

1253
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,880
We don't know how long Eynar 
lived, but he was probably still

1254
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,120
Lord when the doom occurred, 
which would have given him that 

1255
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,680
grim satisfaction. 
And knowing he made the right 

1256
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,040
call, and knowing that his 
family was now the only family 

1257
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,160
of dragonlords in the world, 
that's pretty huge, right? 

1258
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,720
But again, this these 
intervening years might have 

1259
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,160
been very difficult. 
We already have this this take 

1260
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,760
on Danny's mother, Elena, and 
her still trying to live like a 

1261
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,800
socialite in a in a backwater. 
What she would have seen as a 

1262
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,840
backwater. 
And they're just the kind of 

1263
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,720
people she would hang around 
with just literally don't exist 

1264
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,640
anymore. 
And if there were otherwise, 

1265
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,760
there could have been 
unhappiness as they just had 

1266
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,880
nothing to do. 
None of their old friends, none 

1267
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,040
of their old society. 
Just this is this place that 

1268
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,480
they shunned forever. 
They didn't care about Westeros.

1269
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,200
They looked on it as a 
backwater. 

1270
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,080
Now they have to live there. 
Yeah. 

1271
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,400
Like, it wouldn't have been 
pretty. 

1272
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,400
It wouldn't have been happy, 
wouldn't have been a happy 

1273
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,920
environment, especially with 
what some of these theories 

1274
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,680
about. 
Yeah, maybe Danis herself was 

1275
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:32,080
looked down on or they resented 
her for that. 

1276
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,640
Even after the doom happened, 
even after she was right. 

1277
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,200
They they wouldn't. 
They're too proud, a lot of 

1278
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,560
these people probably to 
apologize that OK, you were 

1279
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:42,480
right. 
Maybe one or two of them did. 

1280
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,640
But a lot of them was still 12 
years of resentment. 

1281
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,560
They just can't undo that. 
They're still they're still 

1282
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,400
resentful. 
It's it's, it's set by that 

1283
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,960
point. 
That's just a pattern. 

1284
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,400
It's a habit at that point. 
It isn't, it's no longer 

1285
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,800
governed by a logical outcome. 
It's like, no, I've resented you

1286
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,120
for 12 years, even though you 
don't deserve it anymore because

1287
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,240
you were right. 
I still resent you, you know, 

1288
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,240
and, and again with this bring 
and it comes back to this point 

1289
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,520
of when are profits ever happy? 
So you've got probably unhappy 

1290
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,160
Danis, probably unhappy 
household, probably unhappy 

1291
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,240
everything. 
Probably, you know, the world 

1292
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,800
they live in now, the doom that 
like everybody they knew was 

1293
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,840
dead. 
It just there's a lot to look at

1294
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,200
here and think, yeah, they were 
probably kind of miserable. 

1295
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,880
You know, maybe they made the 
most of it. 

1296
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,880
But there's a lot to a lot of 
evidence, or at least 

1297
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,360
circumstantial evidence that 
would lead to to a conclusion of

1298
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,640
they were unhappy. 
They were unhappy. 

1299
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,680
And this also has a bit of an 
aside. 

1300
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,240
This is partly why the 
Targaryens didn't exercise their

1301
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,200
power in Westeros sooner. 
Why Aegon when and his sisters 

1302
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,680
when they did the conquest. 
This was a big change of policy 

1303
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,840
or a a big change of perspective
because they were still stuck in

1304
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,360
Essos. 
Even though they moved to to 

1305
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,840
Westeros. 
All their interests, their 

1306
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,240
lifestyle, their thousands of 
years of history were still set 

1307
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,120
in Essos. 
All their business connections 

1308
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,240
that might still exist. 
They might still have trade with

1309
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,160
Volantis and lease and Pentos 
and all that. 

1310
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,840
They would have maybe some 
distant relatives there. 

1311
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,000
They might have some land in 
some of those other places, you 

1312
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,040
know, so they still have 
connections to all these places,

1313
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,760
connections that they wouldn't 
yet have in Westeros and weren't

1314
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,000
trying to establish because they
looked down on it. 

1315
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,760
Even though they lived there, 
they were still kind of, they're

1316
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,960
still like a little bit of 
separation. 

1317
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,840
It was like, yeah, we're not 
like these other Westeros. 

1318
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,160
We're still Valyrians. 
You know, they wanted to hold on

1319
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,560
to that identity even though it 
was a dead identity. 

1320
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,040
And I guess this is when she got
her nickname, right? 

1321
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,360
They. 
It said there in one of those 

1322
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,040
quotes we read. 
It said thereafter she was known

1323
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,960
as Danny's the Dreamer. 
So, yeah, once the doom came and

1324
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,160
word got out that she had 
predicted it, if it hadn't 

1325
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:53,040
already been out there, then 
yeah, like, oh, that's the girl 

1326
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,040
that predicted this. 
Whoa. 

1327
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,800
In a land where, you know, half 
of people get nicknames. 

1328
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,080
Yeah, of course she got one 
there. 

1329
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,200
You know, like people, you would
think, like, some people would 

1330
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,440
be in awe of her, like some of 
the servants of Dragonstone that

1331
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,920
knew she had predicted they'd be
like, oh, my God, like she 

1332
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,160
predicted that. 
Wow, what are the what are the 

1333
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,040
winning lottery numbers? 
Danis, let's check out her 

1334
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,960
brother husband a bit. 
Gaman the Glorious. 

1335
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,880
What a pair those names together
Gaman the Glorious and Danis the

1336
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,520
Dreamer, Lord and Lady of 
Dragonstone ruling over 

1337
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,200
Blackwater Bay. 
Lord and Lady of alliteration. 

1338
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:39,000
That's right, So before assuming
AR was still alive during the 

1339
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,319
Doom, Gaiman would have been 
heir along with his sister, but 

1340
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:47,880
he would be the the primary to 
the only Dragon Lord family in 

1341
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,560
the world if he wasn't already 
that. 

1342
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,319
Because it's possible that Anar 
died and he was already Lord 

1343
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:56,279
when the Doom came. 
What made him glorious though? 

1344
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,600
Why was he so glorious? 
An interesting time to earn that

1345
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,040
nickname right? 
The Century of Blood. 

1346
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,520
We know why Danny's had her 
nickname. 

1347
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,760
It's extremely straightforward, 
but glorious is like, that's 

1348
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,479
kind of not very specific, is 
it? 

1349
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,080
It's certainly makes him sound 
like he was big successful, 

1350
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,760
right? 
If you called him Fire and Blood

1351
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,920
says he was the greatest 
Targaryen Lord of the century of

1352
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,520
blood. 
What if that doesn't tell us 

1353
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,040
anything? 
What greatest is about as 

1354
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,479
specific as glorious, right? 
It's he was successful, 

1355
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,680
competent, powerful. 
I guess you could at least say 

1356
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,040
he probably wouldn't have gotten
that nickname if he had been 

1357
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,800
short lived, if he'd only ruled 
for a few years. 

1358
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,080
It's not a lot of time to 
acquire such a big name like 

1359
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,080
that glorious. 
Like you got to earn that one. 

1360
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:42,279
Like a lot of most Targaryens 
didn't have names that were so, 

1361
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:44,359
you know, unabashedly positive 
like that. 

1362
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:46,960
Even Aegon the Conqueror is 
like, that's an intimidating, 

1363
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,000
respectable name. 
But Conqueror isn't like 

1364
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,320
necessarily like a compliment. 
I mean, in most circles it is in

1365
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,720
Westeros, but it's it's not as 
straightforward as great or 

1366
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,880
glorious, you know? 
You know, his mother and father.

1367
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:04,680
We don't know how well Aynar 
adapted. 

1368
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,800
We know from Shokan that his 
mother didn't, assuming that was

1369
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,240
his mother, Elena. 
Maybe Gaiman adapted better. 

1370
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,120
You know, he moved there as a 
younger man. 

1371
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,160
So did Danis as a younger woman.
So maybe they were able to make 

1372
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,320
the most of it, adapt better 
because they didn't miss Valyria

1373
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,920
as much. 
They weren't as attached to it, 

1374
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,000
right? 
Maybe they even embraced their 

1375
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,800
new, their new life. 
They they found a way to like 

1376
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:33,760
it, you know, but because of 
that focus E rather than W, 

1377
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:38,160
there is this sort of clinging 
to the past idea that shadows 

1378
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,520
over the whole thing, right. 
And if they're looking E well, 

1379
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,920
what does that mean? 
It must be dealing with the free

1380
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,520
cities. 
Those are the that's the power 

1381
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,360
that still exists there. 
That's who filled the power 

1382
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,440
vacuum of Valyria being gone, at
least on this side of Essos. 

1383
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:54,040
On the other side of Slavers 
Bay, Obviously the Ghiscari were

1384
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,720
on the rise again. 
And as we mentioned before, 

1385
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:03,000
Gagasos was emerging as a power 
in the Basilisk Isles, and some 

1386
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,920
of these may have been people 
that Dragonstone had dealings 

1387
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,960
with, but we're guessing it was 
the more regional players they 

1388
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,480
were involved with. 
And it's interesting to consider

1389
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:14,200
now, yes, Dragonstone had been 
built. 

1390
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,560
The castle was there, but was it
fully built? 

1391
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:20,960
Was it in its final form? 
Did the Targaryens add to it? 

1392
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,400
They certainly developed the 
island more, more like building 

1393
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:30,760
of small towns and smaller hold 
fast and maybe expanding the 

1394
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,400
agriculture. 
Ditto drift mark. 

1395
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:36,120
So we can't just think, we can't
just assume and we shouldn't 

1396
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,560
think of it as they move to 
Dragonstone and it's the 

1397
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,600
Dragonstone of today. 
No, definitely not. 

1398
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,960
It was held by petty Lords back 
in those days and they wouldn't 

1399
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,120
have had the money to fully 
develop it into the way it is 

1400
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,720
now. 
Ditto drift mark. 

1401
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,080
As I said, like drift Mark, 
building all its ports, building

1402
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,840
Hull and Spice Town, these other
things. 

1403
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,680
This popped up later. 
Right now, Dennis, if she was 

1404
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:07,000
the type of dreamer that could 
just rattle things off, that 

1405
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,720
just could be like the ghost of 
high Heart and be like, yeah, 

1406
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,400
they're just going to be ships 
over here. 

1407
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,560
This Lord's going to go on this 
day to this place. 

1408
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,400
If she just knows things, then 
that could explain part of why 

1409
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:22,160
gaming was game in the glorious.
If he just like had this Direct 

1410
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:26,080
Line to future events, right, 
that would give you a big leg up

1411
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,760
right now. 
We got to ask the question 

1412
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,320
though, is that really how 
George uses prophecy or 

1413
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:32,920
foretelling in the song of ice 
and fire? 

1414
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,320
It's debatable. 
Again, Melisandre makes a lot of

1415
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,400
errors, but the ghosts are 
higher. 

1416
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,280
We come back coming back to her 
as an example. 

1417
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,880
She just like knows where people
are on on a on a with a snap of 

1418
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,240
the fingers. 
So yeah, I'd say yes, it does 

1419
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,880
work that way sometimes. 
Macoro as well make some very 

1420
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,560
specific mundane predictions. 
He says, yeah, I'll tell you, 

1421
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,600
Victorian, where some of your 
lost ships are. 

1422
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,400
And he's right. 
Victorian separated from a bunch

1423
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,920
of ships and they find some and 
he tells them where they can 

1424
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,200
find prey. 
He's like, you're going to go 

1425
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,120
over here and there's going to 
be some merchant ships. 

1426
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,040
He's very specific about it, and
he's right. 

1427
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:10,880
So this begs a question of like,
different types, different 

1428
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,080
categories of profits, 
visionaries, dreamers, they 

1429
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,840
don't all work the same. 
Some of them just have constant 

1430
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:21,120
flood of visions. 
Some of them only do because of 

1431
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,920
where they are. 
Like it goes to high heart if 

1432
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,280
she left the Weywood stump spot 
she lives in. 

1433
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,800
If she left high heart, would 
her vision still work so well? 

1434
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:36,240
Probably not, because explicitly
her Thoros's visions don't work 

1435
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,000
well there because it's a magic 
that he can't tap into that 

1436
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,800
maybe interferes with other 
magics, like a signal 

1437
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,000
interfering with another signal.
So we don't really know how to 

1438
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,760
categorize Danis as as a as a 
prophet. 

1439
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,440
What category of of visionary is
she? 

1440
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,280
So I don't think she was this 
kind, but maybe she was. 

1441
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,960
It would explain a lot about why
gaming was gaming the glorious. 

1442
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,840
But it it may be more likely 
it's just he was just competent,

1443
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,280
intelligent, took advantage of 
his circumstances effectively. 

1444
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,160
So they're they're children, 
Aegon and Elena, plus another 

1445
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,960
daughter. 
There's a third child from them 

1446
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,840
who's unnamed. 
Her descendants will pop up 

1447
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,760
later, so hold on to that 
thought for now. 

1448
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,160
But just to focus on Aegon and 
Elena for a minute, just as 

1449
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:24,680
Gayman and Danis married, so did
these two. 

1450
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,920
So they continued the sort of at
this point unbroken line of 

1451
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:33,000
Targaryens marrying their 
marrying brother to sister. 

1452
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:38,440
So 4 generations later is Aegon 
Rainey's and Visenya. 

1453
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:44,280
So this Aegon was the great 
great grandfather of Aegon, 

1454
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,520
Renis and Visenya, and Elena of 
course was their great great 

1455
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,480
grandmother. 
Now that other unnamed daughter,

1456
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,160
she married a petty Lord that's 
probably not Valarian since 

1457
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,240
Valarian's not petty. 
Petty usually means like they 

1458
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,480
have the title of Lord, but they
don't actually have land. 

1459
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:04,120
Again, the Cassells, the pools 
of Stark fame. 

1460
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,400
So again, this could be Coharis 
or Baratheon, something like 

1461
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,160
that. 
Or it could be a vassal of the 

1462
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:13,040
Valarians, like one of their one
of the other smaller families on

1463
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,680
Driftmark. 
Like for example, the tollets 

1464
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,760
are sworn to the Royces and the 
bees berries are sworn to the 

1465
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,120
Hightowers, and then the 
Hightowers in turn are sworn to 

1466
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,440
Highgarden. 
So yeah, could be one of these 

1467
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,480
relationships. 
And some of these houses are so 

1468
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,000
small that we don't even know 
all their names. 

1469
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,600
Like there's lesser houses that 
would be part of that that 

1470
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,680
George could name tomorrow in A 
Song of Ice and Fire. 

1471
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,480
And it wouldn't be weird because
they're just so tiny. 

1472
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:36,560
Maybe they've got 50 fighters to
their name or two ships. 

1473
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:41,760
You know, some of Stannis's 
extremely lesser noble houses of

1474
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,440
the Narrow Sea. 
Would it, would it be hard for 

1475
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:48,600
Aegon and Elaine to be the, the 
child of, of this, of, of a 

1476
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,240
woman who was a prophet like 
that? 

1477
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,000
Because if we take what we've 
said about how difficult it is 

1478
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,480
to be a prophetess and to have 
be burdened with this 

1479
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:01,320
foreknowledge, that might not 
make you a great mother. 

1480
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,800
Like you're too burdened by all 
this, the weight of everything 

1481
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,960
you know and everything that you
know that's going to happen. 

1482
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,760
All these things we've said 
about how unhappy it might make 

1483
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:13,680
you, like that doesn't exactly 
make for a good picture as a 

1484
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,800
parent, does it? 
Like it'd be hard to be 

1485
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,840
positive. 
It'd be hard to like be happy 

1486
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,600
all the time, which is what you 
want for your children. 

1487
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,320
You want to present a positive 
image. 

1488
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:26,120
You want, you know, pump them up
and be happy and, and provide 

1489
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,400
that environment, but be 
difficult living in the shadow 

1490
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,680
of the doom, living in the 
shadow of the century of blood, 

1491
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,160
living in the the death of their
entire culture. 

1492
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,360
Like what a strange, unique 
scenario. 

1493
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,080
So it's really hard to put 
ourselves in their shoes. 

1494
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,040
But all you can see how a lot of
it would be kind of negative, 

1495
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,480
but there will be positives too.
They're the only Dragonlord 

1496
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,600
family in the in the world. 
That would be a point of pride. 

1497
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,440
The future might still be bright
despite the past. 

1498
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:53,640
There might be things to look 
forward to. 

1499
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,600
A lot of it's just kind of 
attitude, I guess, you know, 

1500
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,920
like you're some people would 
look down on all this and it 

1501
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,160
would be it would bring them 
down and make them depressed. 

1502
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,600
But others could see the the 
Silver Linings to their 

1503
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:09,240
scenario, their situation. 
And these kids, well, they can't

1504
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,880
miss Valyria. 
They didn't know it. 

1505
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,880
It's definitely different for 
Danis and Gaiman and even more 

1506
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,240
so for their parents who spent 
most of their lives in Valyria. 

1507
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,800
Had to give that up. 
This Aegon and Elena, they're 

1508
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:24,680
the first generation of 
Targaryens born in Westeros. 

1509
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,120
That's a huge deal. 
So they don't miss Valyria. 

1510
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,040
They only have stories of it, 
right? 

1511
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:30,920
They don't know anything about 
it. 

1512
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,960
It's kind of like Danny only 
getting stories of the Seven 

1513
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,440
Kingdoms from her brother, 
except it Aegon and Elena 

1514
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:40,040
probably got more accurate 
stories than what Viserys told 

1515
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,800
Danny. 
But everything she knows about 

1516
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,960
her family and and Westeros and 
the usurper comes from Viserys. 

1517
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,840
So like that's kind of be going 
to be the same here. 

1518
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,960
They're going to learn about 
their family and Valyria and the

1519
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,280
Doom from just these elder 
members of their family. 

1520
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,040
Because everybody else who knew 
these things is dead, right? 

1521
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,880
Only maybe, maybe only a few 
other members of their extended 

1522
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,880
family whose names we don't have
would be the only other people 

1523
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:05,960
that they could talk to about 
this. 

1524
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,360
What a strange thing, right? 
Bryson Chung says glorious. 

1525
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,520
Could simply man mean the man 
was a Peacock? 

1526
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:17,400
Like he dressed really fancy, 
like, as a way to overcompensate

1527
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:19,600
or something like that. 
A satire. 

1528
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,240
It could be a mocking name. 
Probably not, because it 

1529
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,320
actually says he was the 
greatest Lord of that generation

1530
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,680
of the Targaryens. 
That's what the World of Ice and

1531
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,240
Fire set, or Fire and Blood says
that. 

1532
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:32,600
And I doubt they would call him 
that just because he dressed 

1533
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,560
well. 
But you never know. 

1534
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,320
Again, a lot of these histories 
are written for, you know, with 

1535
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,280
the Targaryens made to look 
good. 

1536
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,520
You know, they kind of put a 
spin on it, put a little silver 

1537
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,440
lining on it, you know, spruce 
it up a bit. 

1538
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:47,680
So it's possible. 
And I like the thought process 

1539
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:52,400
regardless. 
Good one, Bryson, Let's talk 

1540
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:56,400
about Signs and portents. 
The book itself, we don't have 

1541
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:00,600
any of her other prophecies. 
The only one we know for sure is

1542
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:02,800
the Doom. 
But we do know for sure that 

1543
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,200
there were others because she 
wrote a whole book, right? 

1544
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,200
How could it not be? 
Yeah, like 3. 

1545
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,280
There's 3 pages of this book are
all that survive, apparently. 

1546
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,080
And if it's a book, it's not a 
novella, it's not a booklet, 

1547
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,120
it's not a pamphlet, It's a 
book. 

1548
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,280
So we don't know if it's a big 
book or a skinny book, but it 

1549
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,080
it's, there's a little, you 
know, it had some oomph to it. 

1550
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,520
Let's say some of the prophecies
were really mundane. 

1551
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,360
She's like, I predicted my 
daughter would break my favorite

1552
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,000
face. 
You know, that kind of thing. 

1553
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,280
As she's writing it, she hears 
the crashing sound like and I, 

1554
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:42,120
and I think these 3 pages are a 
place where maybe the story 

1555
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,800
could expand a little bit 
because Marwyn is the one that 

1556
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,280
found those 3 pages allegedly. 
And Marwyn's on his way right 

1557
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,520
now, allegedly to go see Danny. 
He might tell her about it. 

1558
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,400
He might be Look, look, yo, I'm 
your connection to these figures

1559
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,560
like Danis the dreamer and your 
ancient ancestors and these 

1560
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,880
prophecies that are associated 
with your house. 

1561
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,440
So we first mentioned Signs and 
Portents in the first mentioned 

1562
01:20:06,440 --> 01:20:10,360
section. 
Roderick the reader has the Book

1563
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:15,040
of Lost books, which is a book 
of lost books, a book that 

1564
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,040
describes books that don't exist
anymore. 

1565
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,360
And Signs and Portents is one of
those books featured in the book

1566
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:21,880
of lost Books. 
So. 

1567
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:24,720
Signs and Portents would be 
about 400 years old because she 

1568
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,680
wrote it just before the Doom, 
12 years before the Doom, right?

1569
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:32,040
She wrote it before, presumably 
before they went to Westeros, 

1570
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,920
but maybe during that time, 
maybe she was writing those 

1571
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,760
things down. 
She didn't have as much to do 

1572
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:37,960
when she got to Westeros. 
Like, I'm bored. 

1573
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:39,480
I'm going to write down more of 
my visions. 

1574
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,760
But it's a curious name, right? 
Signs and Portents, like it is 

1575
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,680
not dreams and visions, you 
know, it's not the dragon like 

1576
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:52,560
Confessions of a dragon dreamer,
you know, signs and portents. 

1577
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:53,560
It's interesting. 
Yeah. 

1578
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,160
So I wonder where do you, where 
do we suppose Marwin found those

1579
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,560
3 pages? 
I think the obvious guess is Ash

1580
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,520
eye, but that's not by any means
the definitive answer. 

1581
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:06,720
For sure. 
We shouldn't be like, oh, well, 

1582
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,880
that has to be it. 
No, there's Marwin's a a man 

1583
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,280
who's gone all over looking for 
obscure knowledge. 

1584
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:18,040
He goes to who knows where else 
he's been in in his quest for 

1585
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,160
lost Arcana. 
Ash Eye's just a great theory, 

1586
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,320
but we really have no idea He's 
he's been everywhere. 

1587
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,920
It's also possible 3 pages were 
copied down in another book, 

1588
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:32,080
like some other book used signs 
and portents as a source and 

1589
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,640
copied a little of that over. 
And it's like here I'm quoting 

1590
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,240
this book in my book. 
And that's why we have that. 

1591
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,640
That's actually a a fairly 
common way in the in the real 

1592
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,600
world where we learn about books
that we don't have any more 

1593
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,040
because they get referred to as 
a source in a book that does 

1594
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,360
survive. 
I'm going to use as an example 

1595
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:55,960
of Beowulf is only around today 
because a single version was 

1596
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,880
copied into a surviving 
manuscript that contains some 

1597
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,280
other things. 
If not that we would have lost 

1598
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,120
that story forever. 
Amazing, right? 

1599
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,560
And just on the other side of 
that is the think of all the 

1600
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:12,480
stories that we could have 
today, if not for, you know, a 

1601
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:15,600
cork here too, like a random 
event of history that caused a 

1602
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,400
certain library to burn down or 
who knows? 

1603
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:21,720
So signs and portents will be a 
valuable book, though. 

1604
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,240
And that might be why it wasn't 
copied because the Targaryens 

1605
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,400
might have seen it as something 
that they wanted to keep to 

1606
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,360
themselves, especially if they 
given how they benefited from 

1607
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,440
the doom being the only 
dragonlord family. 

1608
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:37,760
Like there's there was immense 
profit in that profit in that 

1609
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,480
prophecy, the prophecy of 
prophets and they could, they 

1610
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:46,080
could see that a certain game in
the glorious or a or Aegon after

1611
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,720
him might this sign's 
importance. 

1612
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,720
It's kind of like trade secrets.
We're not sharing this, which 

1613
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:55,600
would explain why it was would 
help explain why the book 

1614
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,400
doesn't exist anymore. 
We've seen Targaryens, multiple 

1615
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,240
Targaryens who find things in 
books that change their outlook 

1616
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,240
on prophecy. 
We don't always know why they 

1617
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,400
were looking in the 1st place. 
Rhaegar is a good example, Aries

1618
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,960
the first, right? 
These are other examples. 

1619
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,440
Any Targaryen who has dream, 
Let's say you're a Targaryen and

1620
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:16,960
you start to have dreams, 
prophetic dreams. 

1621
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:20,440
You're probably aware that 
you're not the first one in your

1622
01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:22,440
family to have that. 
So what are you going to do? 

1623
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:27,360
You're going to go look at books
written by your ancestors about 

1624
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,040
their dreams. 
So signs and portents, if other 

1625
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,280
Targaryens had access to it, you
got to think even the ones who 

1626
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,440
didn't have dreams would 
probably be some curious about 

1627
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:36,360
it. 
But the ones who did would be 

1628
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:39,640
particularly curious because 
they would be like, yeah, I the 

1629
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,080
way she's writing about it, 
that's kind of how it works in 

1630
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,840
my brain. 
Like the the way these images 

1631
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,400
are described, the way she has 
these dreams, just the way they 

1632
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,920
manifest, the way she puts it 
into words that that that lands 

1633
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,840
with me, whoever, me being 
whatever random Targaryen we're 

1634
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaking of here. 
Like, was Aries the first? 

1635
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,800
Was he looking for evidence that
the Dragons were would return or

1636
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,960
was he just like really into old
books and he stumbled on that? 

1637
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,760
Was it, was it something he 
looked for or is it something he

1638
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:09,680
found? 
Right? 

1639
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:10,680
That's a that's an open 
question. 

1640
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,200
And same with Rhaegar. 
Was Rhaegar just bookish and he 

1641
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,880
landed on that or was he like 
looking for answers? 

1642
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,160
Because if you're looking for 
answers, sometimes you you see 

1643
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,400
what you want to see. 
And that's that's a big part of 

1644
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,320
how George writes a lot of 
people, especially when it comes

1645
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,760
to prophecy. 
And Rhaegar was certainly a man 

1646
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,920
that seems to have fallen into 
that bucket of people that maybe

1647
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,640
believed a little too much in 
their own destiny. 

1648
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,440
And yeah, like, like Ashea has 
suggested before, like dreamers 

1649
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:44,720
can be of there's a large scale 
here. 

1650
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,920
If Danny says maybe at the top 
of the scale where she just had 

1651
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,200
lots of them, you could have 
like, someone that just, like, 

1652
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,800
every few months has a vague 
prophetic dream that's minor, 

1653
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:57,200
you know, a glimpse into the 
future that isn't fire and 

1654
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,520
brimstone doom stuff. 
But, yeah. 

1655
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,200
Of Oz getting broken, you know, 
like Ashea's example, You know, 

1656
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:03,960
it's like, hey, I I had a dream 
of that. 

1657
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,760
Is it just a coincidence that I 
dreamt of that and then it 

1658
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,320
happened? 
Or you might think it's just a 

1659
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,040
coincidence, but if you were 
some other family. 

1660
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,320
But if you're a come from a 
family that has a a history of 

1661
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,960
prophetic dreamers, like Danny's
a famous 1, you know, I'd be 

1662
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,400
like, yeah, I'm a descendant of 
her. 

1663
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,600
I'm a descendant of that woman 
who had very powerful prophetic 

1664
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:24,840
dreams. 
You might start to believe your 

1665
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,840
in yourself like Rhaegar did or 
maybe an Aries, Sir. 

1666
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,320
And that explains a lot, doesn't
it? 

1667
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,520
Some of these Targaryens, some 
of their own beliefs and their 

1668
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,920
own dreams and their own magic 
is goes a little far, but if you

1669
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:40,200
add this angle in it starts to 
make a lot more sense that they 

1670
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:44,120
are just believers because their
whole family is predisposed to 

1671
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,120
believe 'cause they only exist 
because of a dreamer. 

1672
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,080
Jerry's the second he listened 
to the ghost of High Heart when 

1673
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:54,360
she said the Princess rather the
Prince that was promised would 

1674
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,240
be born of their line. 
A wood switch that was weird. 

1675
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,960
When Danny hears about this, 
she's like, what? 

1676
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,920
That's crazy. 
My, my family listened to a wood

1677
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,920
switch about a prophecy. 
That's bizarre. 

1678
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,800
But if you pair it with this 
knowledge that they're 

1679
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,800
believers, it's been such a part
of their history, it makes so 

1680
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,680
much more sense. 
He was primed. 

1681
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,600
Jairus the Second was primed to 
believe in such things because 

1682
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,280
his family exists only because 
of they believed in prophecy. 

1683
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,080
They took that leap of faith. 
It might seem like a leap of 

1684
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,720
faith to them now. 
Maybe it wasn't because like we 

1685
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,120
said, Danny's probably proved 
herself, but they can imagine it

1686
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,520
in a lot of different ways 200 
years later, 300 years later, 

1687
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,480
right? 
It's the the exact details of 

1688
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:42,080
what happened back then won't 
always won't be carried forward 

1689
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,240
necessarily. 
And and the Targaryens of now 

1690
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,960
and of recent generations would 
have different interpretations. 

1691
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:50,960
They might get a little 
imaginative with what really 

1692
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,080
happened there because they 
don't have all the details. 

1693
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,080
So yeah, compared to the ghost 
of high heart, Melisandre, 

1694
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:01,160
Macoro, other Targaryen 
dreamers, hers is different in 

1695
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:06,240
that it's considered historical.
Bloodraven was hand to the king 

1696
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,400
and master of whispers. 
He was in the spotlight 

1697
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,040
historically for a long time. 
We witness him use a glamour in 

1698
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,800
the mystery night and of course 
later he merges with the 

1699
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,800
weirwood. 
Of course, that's none of that's

1700
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,000
in the histories, though. 
There's just like in the 

1701
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,920
histories they whisp, there's 
mention of him whispering, being

1702
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:25,360
involved with sorcery, but 
there's no corroborating 

1703
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,600
evidence. 
There's no like, and we know 

1704
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,880
this because no, it's just 
they're presenting it as history

1705
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,200
in that the history of this 
person, Blood Raven, was that 

1706
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,080
people believed this about him. 
They're not willing to say it's 

1707
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,320
true, even though we as readers 
know it is. 

1708
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:40,920
He definitely had magical 
powers. 

1709
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,320
He's using them now. 
But yeah, they're on the 

1710
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,480
drunken. 
He was troubled by dreams. 

1711
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:48,680
That's about as far as the 
histories go. 

1712
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,320
They're not willing to confirm 
that they were prophetic, 

1713
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,120
though. 
We know they are, though. 

1714
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,320
Ditto John the Fiddler slash 
Damon the Second. 

1715
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,640
These are not the matters of 
historical record. 

1716
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,640
The maesters and their 
hostility. 

1717
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,920
Maybe I'm using a word that's a 
little too strong, but denial 

1718
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,040
maybe? 
Or wish to get rid of magic in 

1719
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:11,680
the world. 
This fits in with some of that, 

1720
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,960
either whether it's a concerted 
effort to get rid of magic or 

1721
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:18,880
just their level of denial 
towards it, or their downplaying

1722
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,680
of it, or a combination of the 
above. 

1723
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:27,720
Prophets usually aren't famous 
or remembered or given lots of 

1724
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:33,680
ink by maesters right now. 
That the way we shouldn't be. 

1725
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,720
We shouldn't close the book, pun
intended, on all that, because 

1726
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,920
not all the books that exist in 
the Citadel and elsewhere were 

1727
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:41,480
written by maesters. 
Just a lot of them are. 

1728
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:45,040
There's definitely books that 
predate the the Seven Kingdoms. 

1729
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,520
There's ancient books from who 
knows where that George is going

1730
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,360
to decide exist in the Citadel 
or elsewhere. 

1731
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,760
So yeah, not all these fall into
that auspice where there's 

1732
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:55,880
they're problematic in that 
sense. 

1733
01:28:55,880 --> 01:29:02,120
There's there's other options. 
Since we don't know any of our 

1734
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:06,000
other prophecies, what we did 
here was just kind of compile a 

1735
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:12,440
short list of major events that 
followed her life that she might

1736
01:29:12,440 --> 01:29:16,760
have foretold or seen coming. 
Mostly we're keeping this to the

1737
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:18,840
events that affected the 
Targaryen dynasty because if we 

1738
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,600
get too big with it, well, I 
mean, what is she just like a 

1739
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,280
picking up all world events. 
We got to narrow it down 

1740
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:30,440
somewhat in other words. 
So here please, if you have, if 

1741
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:33,680
you have ideas, this is a 
wonderful time to share with us.

1742
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:38,520
Tell us what visions you think 
Danis might have had based on 

1743
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,640
their importance to Targaryen 
history or just the fact that 

1744
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,320
they could be particularly vivid
or interesting or whatever you 

1745
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:45,600
think. 
It's valid. 

1746
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,400
Probably at least worth 
entertaining. 

1747
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,080
We're we're working with very 
little here other than, well, 

1748
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,560
big events tend to be the things
that prophets see. 

1749
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,280
So she might have seen some of 
these things, especially since 

1750
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:57,600
they're associated with her 
family. 

1751
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,680
So, yeah, the births and deaths 
of famous Targaryens and 

1752
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,200
Dragons, you know, maybe she 
foresaw the the birth of Vergar,

1753
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,920
a dragon that had such a huge 
impact on the Seven Kingdoms. 

1754
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:11,640
Maybe she saw some of Vergar's 
deeds, Less likely than 

1755
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,480
Valerian's though, because she's
got the association with and and

1756
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:17,800
bond with Valerian. 
So, with that in mind, the birth

1757
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,000
of Aegon the First, the rider of
Valerian or Viseris the First, 

1758
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,120
the one who oversaw the the 
beginning of the Dance. 

1759
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,040
What about the conquest? 
Speaking of seeing through 

1760
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,640
Valerian's eyes the burning of 
Harrenhalm? 

1761
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,200
That's a big one, right? 
She could foresee that. 

1762
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:36,880
The field of fire, arguably just
as big momentous. 

1763
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,440
I mean, yeah, like very 
historically important, 

1764
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,840
memorable, visually stunning 
Aegon's death. 

1765
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,720
That's not that was he just died
of old age, but it triggered 

1766
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,880
rebellions, many rebellions 
throughout the seven kingdoms 

1767
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,000
his death. 
So maybe she saw that and maybe 

1768
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,880
she saw flashes of images of the
various rebellions sigils. 

1769
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,400
She could see sigils in her 
mind. 

1770
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,760
Westeros is big with preloaded 
symbolism because of the the 

1771
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,120
sigils. 
Like remember the the three 

1772
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,880
headed dragon was not a a sigil 
of House Targaryen until they 

1773
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,720
came to Westeros. 
Maybe she dreamt of that before 

1774
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,440
it happened. 
That's a cool one. 

1775
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:14,480
Very memorable, very symbolic, 
very distinct visually. 

1776
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:17,400
What about the song of ice and 
fire? 

1777
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:21,680
Is she aware of the Princess 
slash Prince that was promised 

1778
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,320
prophecy? 
Is she aware of Azora High? 

1779
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,920
That one predates her so she's 
probably aware of it. 

1780
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,240
But did she have her own visions
and dreams of it? 

1781
01:31:30,440 --> 01:31:32,080
That's a tempting thought, isn't
it? 

1782
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:36,280
Obviously in show cannon, Aegon 
had a dream about this, the Song

1783
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,760
of Ice and fire. 
But book cannon, we don't have 

1784
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:39,800
to. 
We don't have to go with that. 

1785
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,280
Yes, George has mentioned it as 
a possibility for book cannon 

1786
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,600
that Aegon had these dreams 
doesn't mean Danis didn't have 

1787
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,400
them first. 
Doesn't mean he like we could 

1788
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,080
certainly be faced with a 
situation where Aegon had these 

1789
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,760
dreams similar to his ancestors,
similar to his great, great 

1790
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,800
great grandmother Danis and went
and referenced her book and was 

1791
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,760
like signs in portents. 
He's looking at her book and 

1792
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,520
he's like, I had that same 
dream. 

1793
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,400
I had this, I saw this, I saw 
this too. 

1794
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,120
Holy crap. 
Right. 

1795
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,120
That's a big possibility that 
that she is a maybe even the 

1796
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,400
progenitor of the idea, maybe 
the first one to have these 

1797
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,000
visions, or at least the first 
ones to write it down. 

1798
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,920
Magor's wars versus the Faith. 
Imagine the symbolism there, the

1799
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,200
faith clashing with Dragons, 
like the images in her head of 

1800
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,880
the black dragon Valerian, her 
dragon again. 

1801
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:25,160
Again. 
That's another another reason 

1802
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:29,360
this fits really well with 
Magor, a figure who rings loud 

1803
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:32,040
in Targaryen history. 
And her from her perspective, it

1804
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:35,600
would be in the future. 
And just so many people burned 

1805
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,800
all the all these faithful, all 
these. 

1806
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,080
She could have images of the 
father, the mother, the crown on

1807
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:43,880
fire, you know? 
Yeah. 

1808
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,200
Or hacking the wings off a 
dragon. 

1809
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,440
I don't know. 
Just symbolic ways that the his 

1810
01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:51,840
war with the Seven undercut the 
dynasty. 

1811
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,520
What about Arrea's flight? 
We mentioned that one earlier. 

1812
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,720
That's a big one, seeing that 
vision through Valerian's eyes. 

1813
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,960
150 a 180 years ahead of time. 
That's crazy, right? 

1814
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,160
Seeing the blasted landscape, 
images of that, knowing what 

1815
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,920
she's seeing is like, yeah, this
is this is this is Valyria after

1816
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,160
the doom. 
What about something a little 

1817
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:14,720
more mundane but really in terms
of visual imagery, but huge in 

1818
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,480
Targaryen history, like the 
doctrine of exceptionalism. 

1819
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,400
Isn't that kind of fun to in a 
weird way to imagine the 

1820
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,960
prophecy of important documents?
That's weird, right? 

1821
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:28,720
She's like, I keep having dreams
of paper, but it's important 

1822
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,040
paper for some reason. 
Yeah, 'cause that is hugely 

1823
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,320
important, right. 
The doctrine of exceptionalism 

1824
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:37,480
was massive in changing how 
Westeros viewed House Targaryen 

1825
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:39,520
going forward. 
It, it, it kind of allowed, it 

1826
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,640
was sort of the grease of the 
wheels that enabled this them 

1827
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:48,160
all to get along 'cause so much 
of Targaryen culture really did 

1828
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,840
not work with how the sevens pre
predisposition towards things 

1829
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:56,080
like ants, incest, Dragons and 
even things like polygamy. 

1830
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,880
So and then Joe Harris and 
Allison, what if there's a dream

1831
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:04,320
of these, this pair of rulers 
who and that's a familiar sight,

1832
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:08,040
a Targaryen brother and sister 
ruling together, picturing them 

1833
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,240
with their crowns. 
That's a big vision of the 

1834
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,520
future, right? 
Like a king and queen ruling in 

1835
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,240
the Red Keep. 
There's a lot of things you 

1836
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:20,240
could picture, right? 
And imagine this era of peace, a

1837
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,680
golden age, right? 
That's that's something that's a

1838
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,800
a good example, a rare example 
of a positive future that you 

1839
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,640
could see, but shortly after 
that, only 30 years later after 

1840
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,880
the death of Jairus, you've got 
even less really by a little bit

1841
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:35,000
less. 
You got the dance of the 

1842
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,960
Dragons, a lot of imagery 
possible there. 

1843
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:41,400
Dragons in the storm, Veigar and
Arax right? 

1844
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:46,000
Veigar burning the Riverlands 
with Amond A1 eyed Targaryen 

1845
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,560
causing massive devastation. 
Swirling green and black colors 

1846
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,520
right? 
Imagery of of the two factions 

1847
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,760
going against each other. 
Lot of visual possibilities 

1848
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:56,320
here. 
Then of course the death of the 

1849
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:57,960
Dragons not long after the 
dance. 

1850
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,120
Most of the Dragons die during 
the dance and they they're 

1851
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,440
completely gone less than 20 
years later. 

1852
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:03,960
That could be something she 
pictured. 

1853
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,280
Maybe the image in her mind of 
that last stunted dragon 

1854
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:12,720
unhealthy and and struggling to 
live and with that with nobody 

1855
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,280
understanding why. 
What about even farther down the

1856
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:16,720
line? 
The great bastards, The black 

1857
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,240
Fire rebellions. 
If we imagine swirling greens 

1858
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:21,040
and blacks, what about blacks 
and Reds? 

1859
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,840
What about all the various 
sigils of the important great 

1860
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,280
bastards? 
Bitter Steel's sigil, The 

1861
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,880
inverted arms of Damon? 
What about she era Sea star, 

1862
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,560
just because she's a 
fascinating, interesting figure?

1863
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,560
What about Summerhall? 
The death of so many Targaryens 

1864
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,640
amidst green fire? 
What's that all about? 

1865
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:39,840
Right? 
She'd be seeing that like 

1866
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,760
wildfire. 
What are they doing? 

1867
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,200
Comets. 
What about the red comet? 

1868
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,240
What about the comet that came 
during Rhaegar's life? 

1869
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:48,760
There's been other red comets 
too. 

1870
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,160
What about the actual end of the
dynasty? 

1871
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:55,040
What about Ares dead at the foot
of the throne? 

1872
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:58,640
Did she picture that? 
Does she picture the futures 

1873
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,360
that didn't come to pass? 
Wildfire blowing up King's 

1874
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,000
Landing, which might be a future
that does come to pass, you 

1875
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,600
know? 
And by the end of the books, 

1876
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,880
maybe she sees that. 
Maybe she sees the return of the

1877
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,280
Dragons. 
Another one that to her might 

1878
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,280
seem positive, and it's a big 
one. 

1879
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:17,840
It's a so many post draconic 
Targaryens dreamt of the return 

1880
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,840
of Dragons that it's very 
compelling to imagine Danny's 

1881
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,360
did as well. 
Although it's a it's getting a 

1882
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,600
bit of ahead of herself there 
that comes so much later after 

1883
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,040
her life. 
But that's a rare one. 

1884
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:29,480
That's good. 
And that's a that's that's I 

1885
01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:33,360
want to repeat that most of 
these major events are bad, you 

1886
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,560
know, like we could, if we 
thought harder about it, imagine

1887
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,320
some positive ones. 
And maybe those are there. 

1888
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,480
Maybe Danny's had some. 
Maybe I'm being a little too 

1889
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:42,880
negative here, but where? 
But there could be, yeah, there 

1890
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,800
could be prophecies of summer. 
Maybe Danny saw the end of the 

1891
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:48,600
others. 
If she saw the beginning of it, 

1892
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:50,680
why not the end of it? 
Maybe maybe she sees times of 

1893
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,440
peace like the again I mentioned
the golden age under Jairus and 

1894
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:54,720
Allison. 
Maybe she sees some of the other

1895
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,680
ones too. 
Visions of a post others world 

1896
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,200
is maybe even too far ahead, but
even that's possible. 

1897
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:04,560
Visions of Jon Snow, visions of 
things happening beyond the 

1898
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,560
wall, you know, visions that 
other people have had. 

1899
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,800
Like this isn't a great example,
but it's it is an example. 

1900
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:16,160
Mother Mole had the visions of 
the of the free folk getting 

1901
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,760
picked up and taken away to 
happier places. 

1902
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,040
There's a lot of problems with 
that vision because some of the 

1903
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,000
people picked up by the ships 
were taken away into slavery. 

1904
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,560
Some of them did get away. 
So it's a good example of 

1905
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:27,760
prophecy is a hilt without a 
sword. 

1906
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,560
It's the sword without a hilt. 
Prophecy is the sword without a 

1907
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:33,280
hilt. 
Hey, either way, either way, 

1908
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:34,680
it's a hilt without a sword. 
It's sword without a hilt. 

1909
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,000
It's incomplete. 
It's half of the picture. 

1910
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,400
You need both to wield wield it 
effectively. 

1911
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:43,080
So, yeah, that that's that's a 
another way to look at it. 

1912
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:48,000
And maybe she sees really 
there's just no end to the the 

1913
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:51,000
momentous parts of A Song of Ice
and Fire that you can imagine 

1914
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,320
someone hundreds of years before
who was a particular sensitivity

1915
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,080
to future vision seeing these 
things. 

1916
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,400
Why lost? 
Why was the book lost? 

1917
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:07,760
OK, well, we, we already pointed
out that probably there weren't 

1918
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,520
many copies of it because they 
kept it as a trade secret. 

1919
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:13,720
You know, they wanted to keep 
these secrets to themselves. 

1920
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,720
They wanted to use this 
information in the future for 

1921
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:17,440
their own benefit and not for 
other people's. 

1922
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:19,920
So yeah, why would they share it
unless there was an advantage to

1923
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:21,720
sharing it? 
And what advantage would there 

1924
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,560
be to sharing it? 
I don't really know. 

1925
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:27,560
So one of the best examples, one
of the best possibilities is you

1926
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,080
take that, you take that 
situation where you probably 

1927
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:31,200
don't have a lot of copies of 
it. 

1928
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,480
And then Baylor, the Blessed 
Burner of books comes along. 

1929
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:37,680
There's the flaw in that plan of
not having a lot of copies of 

1930
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,000
it. 
Now, we don't have to assume it 

1931
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,680
was because of Baylor, but if 
the book survived at Baylor's 

1932
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:45,760
time, then there's a very good 
chance that it was burned, 

1933
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:47,960
right? 
If it wasn't lost before Baylor,

1934
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,000
then he probably took care of 
it. 

1935
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,800
Unfortunately, the definite bad 
sign of the bad, The downside of

1936
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:59,160
Baylor there, You know, there 
was a 1994 episode of the show, 

1937
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:04,000
Babylon Five Season 1 Episode 13
called Signs and Portents. 

1938
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,120
It did involve prophecy and an 
ancient artifact. 

1939
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:09,040
I don't really know much more I 
I've never really watched 

1940
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:11,720
Babylon 5, but I happened to 
stumble on this when doing 

1941
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,600
research for this episode. 
I was like oh how about that? 

1942
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,280
There was also a magazine called
Signs and Portents that I think 

1943
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,840
is now defunct, but it was a RPG
slash wargaming magazine so it's

1944
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:24,320
possible George stumbled on that
magazine and decided to borrow 

1945
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:26,800
that title for for Danny's book.
Who knows? 

1946
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:32,080
Prophetess Tropes The doom 
itself is like a straightforward

1947
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:36,120
variation of the local area 
version of the end of the world 

1948
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:38,280
as We know it tropes. 
So instead of the entire world, 

1949
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:42,200
it's just Valyria, which is a 
lot, but not the whole world. 

1950
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,320
And then the Century of blood, 
which we went on to discuss and 

1951
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:48,320
we discussed the virgin power 
tropes earlier and some related 

1952
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:49,520
ones. 
Let's go a little farther than 

1953
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:52,320
that. 
The end is Nye trope is a big 

1954
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:56,760
one, as I just said, which is 
you probably already understand 

1955
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,320
what it is without hearing a 
description. 

1956
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,360
The end is not, it's just a 
trope that says in this story is

1957
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,120
the idea that the world's going 
to end or that something big is 

1958
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:06,320
going to happen very 
destructive. 

1959
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:07,840
Maybe not the whole world, but 
yeah. 

1960
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,280
Anyway, in the real world 
ancient times, prophecy was 

1961
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:16,160
often very political and you can
see why it was it was dishonest.

1962
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,640
People were just making things 
up to get a political result. 

1963
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:20,960
And very often it was the 
opposite. 

1964
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,840
Though it's often real world 
prophecy in quotes prophecy. 

1965
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,920
Was not about the end, was not 
about big bad things happening. 

1966
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:34,480
It's about bright futures after 
calamity, like something bad is 

1967
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:36,680
going to happen, but after that 
everything is going to be great.

1968
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:40,080
It's the change that will bring 
on the good times. 

1969
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,800
We got to suffer a little to get
to the promised land. 

1970
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,920
The promised land concept is the
one you should think of here 

1971
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:48,360
when you're thinking of these 
type of prophecies. 

1972
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:50,880
Prophecy is huge in the Bible, 
right? 

1973
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:54,560
It was big in the ancient world 
in Israel, Babylonia, other 

1974
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:58,480
places, you know, now scholars 
aren't entirely sure why 

1975
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:03,440
prophecy sort of mostly died out
in the ancient world. 

1976
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:08,200
But but they think mostly it's 
because, well, it's all BS, 

1977
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,000
right? 
Like people just learned that 

1978
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,400
this is mostly people got more 
savvy. 

1979
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,280
It's like this is all just 
politicians just pretending this

1980
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,840
stuff is true, then justifying 
it post facto. 

1981
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,800
And we're not going to. 
We're not that stupid anymore. 

1982
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,040
We've figured out we've gotten a
little more sophisticated on 

1983
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:27,680
that as a society, as a culture,
as a civilization, depending on 

1984
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:29,000
which civilization we're talking
about. 

1985
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,000
All humanity, maybe. 
So, yeah, people just figured 

1986
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,840
that out. 
Like this isn't real. 

1987
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,600
This is just something made-up 
to get a result, to get people 

1988
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:38,840
fired up, to get them to behave 
a certain way. 

1989
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,000
And we're not falling for that 
anymore. 

1990
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,720
Well, that's not true. 
People still fall for it. 

1991
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,800
Nostradamus. 
He wasn't thousands of years 

1992
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,920
ago. 
He was 500 years ago the the 

1993
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:52,360
Israeli profits from the Bible, 
or that's that is thousands of 

1994
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,760
years old now. 
If you remember our necromancy 

1995
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:57,760
episode from earlier this year, 
you'll have learned that 

1996
01:41:57,760 --> 01:42:00,520
prophecy and necromancy are very
connected in the real life 

1997
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:04,920
ancient world. 
In fact, specifically you use 

1998
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,480
necromancy to speak to dead 
spirits who will tell you the 

1999
01:42:07,480 --> 01:42:10,360
future. 
So that's very straightforward 

2000
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:12,320
in that sense. 
And of course, that's very 

2001
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,800
against God's law according to 
the Bible. 

2002
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,640
God's like, Nope, only I can do 
that sort of stuff. 

2003
01:42:18,440 --> 01:42:23,440
So this is a little bit off the 
topic, but Nostradamus work was 

2004
01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:27,920
not against Catholic teachings 
of the time, even though the 

2005
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,880
Inquisition was around. 
Like what? 

2006
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:35,320
Yeah, they are against magic, 
but they weren't against 

2007
01:42:35,320 --> 01:42:38,360
prophecy or astrology. 
Which is weird, right? 

2008
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,800
Like how can you say prophecy 
isn't magic? 

2009
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:44,760
Well, you can because it's bull.
That's how you can say it's a 

2010
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,400
clever way of just looking down 
on it. 

2011
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:48,440
Like, yeah, that stuff isn't 
real. 

2012
01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:50,040
That's why we don't call it 
magic, because it's fake. 

2013
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:52,320
Of course, they're calling other
things magic. 

2014
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:57,040
So they're still sort of in a 
way admitting that magic is 

2015
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,800
real, but not including prophecy
in that category. 

2016
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:02,720
It's all very strange. 
But anyway, most prophets 

2017
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,960
though, in fiction, in 
literature, they, it comes back 

2018
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,960
to that image I put in your mind
before of the the street 

2019
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,760
preacher with the sign going, 
you know, repent. 

2020
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:15,960
So you see madness very often 
associated with this and it's, 

2021
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,640
you can see why. 
It's like a person that has 

2022
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:22,000
inside information into the end 
of the world. 

2023
01:43:22,440 --> 01:43:24,600
That's not a very happy place to
be, is it? 

2024
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:26,160
Especially when no one's 
listening to you. 

2025
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:29,920
Now, in this case, Danis is the 
exception. 

2026
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,200
People listen to her. 
They did listen to her. 

2027
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:34,640
And it it worked out pretty 
well, at least in the short 

2028
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:37,840
term. 
And dragon dreams as well are 

2029
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:42,400
associated with madness, right? 
Not, not necessarily everyone 

2030
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,640
who has dragon dreams is mad, 
but they, it wears on your 

2031
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,360
sanity, it rubs on you. 
It's a difficult thing. 

2032
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:50,200
It's a burden to see the future,
right? 

2033
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,760
This is a recurring theme, not 
just in A Song of Ice and Fire, 

2034
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:56,800
but not in, not just in the real
world, not just another fantasy,

2035
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:01,600
but especially with Targaryen 
madness because, well, there's 

2036
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:04,920
already an association with 
Targaryens and madness, and 

2037
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:06,840
there's already an association 
with Targaryens and dreaming. 

2038
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,920
And there's a lot of overlap 
between those two things. 

2039
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:13,960
Yes, the Targaryen madness 
concept is overstated, but the 

2040
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:18,880
Targaryen dreamer stuff is not. 
And that is associated with some

2041
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:21,880
maybe not madness, but mental 
health issues. 

2042
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:25,720
Daron the drunken, for example, 
he wasn't mad, but he had severe

2043
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,800
mental health problems, right? 
Because of what the prophecies 

2044
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,040
were doing to him that these 
visions messed him up. 

2045
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,880
And again, these properties are 
rarely about good things, right?

2046
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:38,680
If, if Daron is just like 
constantly having visions of, of

2047
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,400
awesome things, of a happy 
future, he's probably not 

2048
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:43,720
drinking himself into a stupor. 
He's probably like, this is 

2049
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,720
great. 
It's like my mind is full of 

2050
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,160
happiness all the time. 
I'm all seeing visions of good 

2051
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:50,840
things. 
So these St. 

2052
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:53,280
Preacher types in A Song of Ice 
and Fire. 

2053
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:55,680
What's the equivalent? 
The ghost of high heart, kinda. 

2054
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,960
She's right. 
She's got the kind of crazy vibe

2055
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:03,720
about her that she's weird and 
and a little off, But George 

2056
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:07,000
inverts that a bit by having her
be like, nearly unerringly 

2057
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,160
accurate Maggie the Frog. 
Just she's a woods witch that's 

2058
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,080
shunned that people are like, 
oh, that's this creepy old ugly 

2059
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:15,960
woman. 
But let's go, let's go be brave 

2060
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:18,760
and see what she has to say. 
She's got blood magic, right? 

2061
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:22,040
This is, you know, brave Cersei 
and her friends as children. 

2062
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:28,080
So but these are not people that
are have high places in society.

2063
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,320
These are not respected 
individuals. 

2064
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:35,560
Even those who are otherwise 
very well learned men like 

2065
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:40,560
Marwin and Amon are outcasts 
within academic circles because 

2066
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:44,640
of their belief in prophecy and 
in the supernatural. 

2067
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:46,680
And they're right to believe in 
those things. 

2068
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:52,240
They're the the voices of reason
within a mass of people who are 

2069
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:56,400
in who are disbelieving, right 
And dare on the drunken to keep 

2070
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,720
him, keep on him, because he's 
such a great example of this. 

2071
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,080
He shuns a lot of the Targaryen 
lifestyle. 

2072
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:02,800
He doesn't live like a high born
man. 

2073
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:05,320
He he goes to like the 
equivalent of dive bars. 

2074
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:07,400
That's where Dunk meets him, 
right? 

2075
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:11,360
He's not in fancy Inns. 
He's not hanging out at like 

2076
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:13,320
the, you know, the street of 
silk. 

2077
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,280
I mean, maybe he does when he's 
in King's Landing, but like he 

2078
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,000
just wants a drink to forget. 
He doesn't really care. 

2079
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,720
He's kind of trying to hide from
the other nobility. 

2080
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:25,720
He doesn't want to be 
recognized, you know, So it's a 

2081
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:29,520
little bit of an inversion. 
Here we have Danny's being not 

2082
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:33,000
just really highborn, but being 
the Lady of Dragonstone, being 

2083
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:36,840
the about as powerful as it gets
within the family, other than 

2084
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,600
being, you know, the Lord or 
King, which is a huge inversion 

2085
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,920
from street Preacher or ghost of
High heart or Maggie the Frog. 

2086
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,200
And again, I come back to the 
visions, like the mechanism of 

2087
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:51,080
these visions is she just is 
when she's asleep? 

2088
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,440
Is it random? 
Is she just in the middle of the

2089
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:54,640
day? 
She starts having visions. 

2090
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:56,680
She's like, get my pen. 
I need to write this down right 

2091
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:58,600
now. 
Is there anything she can do to 

2092
01:46:58,640 --> 01:47:01,360
to make it happen? 
Could she try to enter a trance?

2093
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:03,960
Can she take some mushrooms or 
something? 

2094
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:13,000
The most famous prophet or 
prophetess trope in all of the 

2095
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:17,880
world probably is Cassandra, at 
least in Western civilization. 

2096
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:22,240
Apollo, the Greek God wanted her
as a lover and there's a few 

2097
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:25,440
different version to this. 
He gave her the gift of prophecy

2098
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:29,160
and then she turned on him. 
Or he gave her the gift of 

2099
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:32,600
prophecy but was unsatisfied 
even though she did everything 

2100
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:36,680
with his ass of her typical 
unattainable deity standards. 

2101
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:43,000
She was thus cursed by him for 
whatever his whatever the logic 

2102
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,680
behind Apollo doing this was, 
whether he was just, you know, 

2103
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:50,520
being a jerk, or whether she was
genuinely broke the deal. 

2104
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:53,800
The curse he put on her was he 
can't, apparently couldn't 

2105
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,080
revoke the divine power he gave 
her. 

2106
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:57,920
He gave her the power of 
prophecy and couldn't take that 

2107
01:47:57,920 --> 01:47:59,280
back. 
That's just not how it works. 

2108
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:02,760
But he could give her an add 
something on top of it, which 

2109
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:07,240
would curse her, which was that 
no one would believe her. 

2110
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:09,920
So she would be right. 
She could see visions of the 

2111
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,640
future, but the curse would be 
that no one would believe her, 

2112
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:15,560
which honestly sounds like more 
of a curse on everybody else 

2113
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:20,400
because she's like, Hey, I can I
have this vision of doom that we

2114
01:48:20,400 --> 01:48:22,440
could all avert if you listen to
me. 

2115
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,200
So they can't listen to her 
because of the curse. 

2116
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:27,680
Sounds like they all suffered 
because of that too. 

2117
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:31,040
Because she and she's not an 
example of the lowborn prophet 

2118
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:32,960
trope. 
She's a Princess of Troy. 

2119
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,800
She was the daughter of Priam 
and Hecuba and was the most 

2120
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,000
beautiful of Priam's 50 some 
daughter. 

2121
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:41,200
That's pretty outstanding, 
right? 

2122
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:44,240
You got 50 royal daughters and 
she's the most good looking of 

2123
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:45,960
all of them. 
That's that's saying something. 

2124
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:49,720
And that right there tells you 
what the prophecies were 

2125
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,080
associated with. 
Of course, they're associated 

2126
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,720
with the doom of Troy, the fall 
of Troy at the end of a very 

2127
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:57,800
long Trojan War and the Trojan 
War. 

2128
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,280
The, the beginning of the Trojan
War to the end of the Trojan War

2129
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,680
was longer than the period where
they waited for the doom after 

2130
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:05,480
the visions, which was like 12 
years. 

2131
01:49:05,480 --> 01:49:07,280
Right Now, the Trojan War was 
like 20 years. 

2132
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,080
But her prophecies started 
before the war started. 

2133
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:14,440
She warned against Helen. 
She's like, don't go, I see 

2134
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:16,320
you're going to Greece. 
Don't bring back Helen. 

2135
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,040
They're like, but of course, 
they don't listen to her. 

2136
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:22,680
She even argues that they kill 
Paris when he's born. 

2137
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:25,120
And some of the versions, not 
all the versions of there's a 

2138
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:28,280
bajillion versions of this 
Cassandra story, but she 

2139
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,480
actually argues to kill Paris as
an infant because, like, he's 

2140
01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:33,440
the one that's going to bring us
all the harm on us. 

2141
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:37,200
And yeah, well, whoops. 
She also warns about the Trojan 

2142
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:41,000
horse. 
Like, how lazy are you, Trojans?

2143
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:44,520
Like, check, Just check just to 
see if she's right. 

2144
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:46,240
You don't have just check the 
horse. 

2145
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:48,960
How hard is that? 
They didn't want to check the 

2146
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,480
horse, but that's and that's why
I say the curse was really on 

2147
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:55,760
Troy and not just on Cassandra. 
In one version she actually like

2148
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,160
takes an axe and a torch and is 
like if you aren't going to 

2149
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:02,480
check, I'm going to check and 
they stop her. 

2150
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:09,600
Damn it. 
She even predicted Eneus escape 

2151
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:15,240
from Troy, predicted that Eneus 
would escape and and found Rome,

2152
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:16,600
which is, of course, isn't what 
happened. 

2153
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:18,400
That's a that is a version of 
the myth. 

2154
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:22,000
But yeah, she, she also 
predicted the Odyssey. 

2155
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,360
She predicted that that Odysseus
would would have this happen to 

2156
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,480
him. 
She also predicted her own death

2157
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:29,560
if she went back to Greece with 
Agamemnon. 

2158
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:33,240
Agamemnon took her as a as a 
slave, a concubine, basically. 

2159
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,240
She predicted his death and hers
and that happened. 

2160
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:39,680
Yeah. 
So this is rough because, yeah, 

2161
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:42,160
it's a curse to be given 
knowledge of the future and no 

2162
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:44,360
one will listen to you. 
But we've already gone over how 

2163
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:48,600
it's awful even when they do 
listen to you just to having 

2164
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:50,480
knowledge of the future is bad 
regardless. 

2165
01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:54,120
But yeah, this, this does sound 
worse, a lot worse. 

2166
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:57,840
So Even so, yeah, even in the 
real, even in real world fiction

2167
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:02,840
and myths, prophecy is a curse. 
The the gift of prophecy is not 

2168
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,600
a gift at all. 
A lot, in a lot of cases, they 

2169
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,880
they read almost like a 
sacrificial victim, like a the, 

2170
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:12,880
the prophet is the, the person 
born with this knowledge that is

2171
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:16,120
horrible for them to live with, 
but everyone else can benefit 

2172
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,280
from it. 
So they're like they are like we

2173
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:20,720
sacrifice this person's life. 
They have to live a horrible 

2174
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:23,200
life because they're burdened 
with this, but we can all 

2175
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:24,880
benefit from it if we listen to 
them. 

2176
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,800
In Cassandra's case, they don't.
So it's kind of like their whole

2177
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:30,200
life is, is dedicated to others 
because they suffer. 

2178
01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:33,160
But if people listen to their 
prophecies, then humanity, or at

2179
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,600
least the city, the civilization
can, can come out ahead. 

2180
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:39,920
So with Danny's, we have like 
opposites or inversions of the 

2181
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:43,560
Cassandra trope. 
And they we, they did listen to 

2182
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:45,760
her, right? 
They listened to her when it was

2183
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:47,880
most important, although only 
her family. 

2184
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:49,920
So you still have kind of have, 
it's still kind of the same 

2185
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,160
trope because no one else 
listened to her. 

2186
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:56,440
Although if we go back to Nina's
theory, Hainar didn't tell 

2187
01:51:56,440 --> 01:51:59,400
anybody else. 
That's part of why did no one 

2188
01:51:59,400 --> 01:52:01,200
else listen? 
They didn't even hear there. 

2189
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:02,560
It wasn't that they weren't 
listening. 

2190
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:04,080
They didn't even know what to 
listen to. 

2191
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:06,600
But yeah, as we've said 
throughout this episode, it's 

2192
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,960
entirely possible Danny's LED 
kind of a tormented life. 

2193
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:13,480
So yeah, living post doom would 
put a damper on everything, even

2194
01:52:13,480 --> 01:52:17,480
besides the prophecies. 
In one version of the Cassandra 

2195
01:52:17,480 --> 01:52:20,120
myths, she and one of her 
brothers are left overnight in 

2196
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,840
the temple of Apollo. 
And that's kind of how they get 

2197
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:24,440
their powers. 
Or she gets her powers. 

2198
01:52:24,440 --> 01:52:28,040
They're found in the morning 
with snakes licking their ears. 

2199
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:31,240
And the snakes are associated 
with knowledge in Greek 

2200
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:33,360
mythology. 
And for our purposes, it's it's 

2201
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:37,240
really just kind of a a step to 
go from snakes to Dragons, 

2202
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,160
right? 
It's not too not too far of a 

2203
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:40,920
leap there. 
Cassandra does go mad. 

2204
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,800
In some versions of the story. 
The curse becomes too much to 

2205
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,840
bear overtime. 
She sees her own death coming, 

2206
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:50,280
which is something we should 
consider Targaryen madness and 

2207
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,560
unwanted dreams, right? 
If you get what if you're 

2208
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:56,160
dreaming of your own death? 
What if Denis keeps dreaming of 

2209
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:57,440
her own death? 
What a horrible thing to see. 

2210
01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:58,600
Like she doesn't know when it's 
coming. 

2211
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:02,360
Like if she knew it was 20 years
in the future, then OK, that's 

2212
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:04,960
not so bad. 
It still would be kind of bad. 

2213
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:06,800
But at least you know you're not
going to die soon. 

2214
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:11,080
But like, if you don't know, 
it's just one of these days I'm 

2215
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:14,520
going to die, you know, like, 
well, I mean, welcome to the 

2216
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:16,360
rest of us. 
But if she knows the exact 

2217
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:18,840
manner of it and has some sense 
of it being soon, that's 

2218
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,200
terrible. 
Now here's a description that's 

2219
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:22,960
a little off topic, but just 
hilarious. 

2220
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,520
I couldn't resist. 
It's it's it's it's a 

2221
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:27,640
description of Cassandra from a 
chronicler. 

2222
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:33,320
This just about killed me quote.
Shortish, round faced, white 

2223
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:40,840
Manish figure, good nose, good 
eyes, dark pupils, blondish, 

2224
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:49,440
curly, good neck, bulky breasts,
small feet, calm, noble, 

2225
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:53,280
priestly. 
An accurate profit for seeing 

2226
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:57,640
everything practicing hard 
virgin. 

2227
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,960
How do you just sneak that in 
there? 

2228
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:02,760
First of all, those descriptions
are crazy. 

2229
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:07,880
Bulky breasts, this good neck. 
I mean, this is weird, but then 

2230
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:10,280
just an accurate profit for 
seeing everything. 

2231
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:12,680
Just throw that in there. 
Like, wait, that seems like the 

2232
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:16,520
only thing that matters, you 
know? 

2233
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:19,000
But virgin's in there, right? 
That actually is kind of an 

2234
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:22,680
important detail. 
So this was from John Malalas. 

2235
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:27,480
He was a Syrian living in 
Antioch under the Byzantines. 

2236
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:34,000
He lived to be 87, actually. 
He died in 578 AD, So Jon Milaus

2237
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:37,280
is really important because he's
the oldest surviving example of 

2238
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:41,920
a guy who wrote history for 
common people, for monks, rather

2239
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:45,400
than the nobility. 
And this simple style and its 

2240
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:49,440
aim, the fact that it was aimed 
at a wide variety of people, is 

2241
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,240
why it survived. 
It was copied a lot. 

2242
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:53,160
It was effective because of its 
simple style. 

2243
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:56,120
A lot of people can understand 
it, and that's why it propagated

2244
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:58,400
kind of the opposite of science 
importance. 

2245
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,520
Science importance was not meant
for the common population. 

2246
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,000
It was not meant to be 
widespread. 

2247
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:07,680
And like the Book of Lost Books,
Malalas cites a ton of sources 

2248
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,000
in his book. 
He has like, 'cause he's not a 

2249
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,120
contemporary of Cassandra, like 
the Trojan War would have been 

2250
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:17,560
almost 2000 years, maybe more 
like 1800 before he was born. 

2251
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:19,440
And yeah, the Trojan War did 
happen. 

2252
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:20,760
You all. 
It's, it's, it used to be a 

2253
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:23,440
thought to be a myth. 
But no, we have in the modern 

2254
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:27,000
world, semi modern world, we've 
discovered enough archaeology to

2255
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:30,400
be sure that something like the 
Trojan War happened. 

2256
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:32,240
Obviously not with all the 
specific details that were 

2257
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:34,960
given. 
So, yeah, Milalis, in his book, 

2258
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:37,240
he cites sources that that we 
don't have. 

2259
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:41,760
And so that's a perfect example 
of that concept of, well, he's 

2260
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:44,800
citing authors that those books 
don't exist anymore. 

2261
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:46,600
So we must, we know those books 
existed. 

2262
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,120
We just don't have anything 
about them other than these 

2263
01:55:49,120 --> 01:55:50,040
citations. 
Yeah. 

2264
01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:53,000
So that virgin part's kind of 
important because Cassandra's 

2265
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:55,960
almost never married and any of 
them miss like, she's just, even

2266
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:58,440
though she's the most beautiful 
of of Prime and Hecuba's 

2267
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:01,120
daughters, she's kept separate 
like that. 

2268
01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:02,680
They don't arrange a husband for
her. 

2269
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:05,640
But you can't really be a virgin
if she was sleeping with Apollo,

2270
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:08,240
right? 
Like, that part doesn't exactly 

2271
01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:11,760
fit. 
You can't say sex with gods 

2272
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,680
doesn't count, because of course
it does, right? 

2273
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:17,880
Why would that not count? 
Anyway, that's your little 

2274
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:23,360
that's our little foray into the
real world Cassandra and the 

2275
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:26,000
Cassandra trope, which is you 
will hear that thrown around 

2276
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:30,080
here and there. 
Time for our quote of the week. 

2277
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:33,880
Here's a passage that when I 
read it, it immediately jumped 

2278
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:37,640
out to me as the space version 
of a certain castle in Westeros 

2279
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:42,320
that you will know immediately. 
You will grasp, certainly as I 

2280
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,760
read this, you'll know exactly 
what castle I'm talking about. 

2281
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:48,280
Here we go. 
Carved into IO's highest 

2282
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:52,840
mountain, the 18 kilometer high 
Buhasal Sungrave is a city of 

2283
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:56,400
Blackstone obelisks and Spires 
that rides the shoulders of the 

2284
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:59,200
mountain range. 
Centuries ago, after the use of 

2285
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:02,120
Lovelock engines was deemed 
inefficient for IO, great 

2286
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:05,200
mirrored lasers carved much of 
the mountain and part of its 

2287
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:09,560
attending 540 kilometer long 
range into a city of jagged 

2288
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:11,920
towers. 
The builders followed the 

2289
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:15,720
draconic predilections of their 
great progenitor Akari, bringing

2290
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:18,960
creatures of childhood fables 
and ancient campfire stories to 

2291
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,600
life in the stone. 
A necropolis of animalistic 

2292
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:26,200
Spires flecked with Topaz, 
zircon, and a myriad 

2293
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:30,440
nilosilicate rocks looms above 
us, blocking the sky like the 

2294
01:57:30,440 --> 01:57:32,960
petrified remains of a great 
dragon host. 

2295
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:37,240
They perch rank upon rank along 
the buhsal's Crest, some of them

2296
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:41,080
encompassing whole peaks, legs 
straddling frosted valleys, 

2297
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:43,800
their wide wings buttressing 
their great heights as they 

2298
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:48,000
crane their stone necks up as if
to drink the gases of marbled 

2299
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,320
Jupiter. 
Duroglass windows glitter with 

2300
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:53,800
internal light like scales. 
And deeper in the heart of the 

2301
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:57,720
mountain, where long ago red 
drill crews dugout the interior 

2302
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:03,080
lies the city itself. 
That's from Iron Gold book 4 of 

2303
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:09,080
Red Rising by Pierce Brown. 
That's my favorite series of the

2304
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:11,240
last 10 years that I've read. 
So you gotta go back to the 

2305
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:14,120
Expanse to find a series that I 
enjoyed as much as Red Rising. 

2306
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:19,080
And obviously this is space 
Dragonstone description. 

2307
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:23,000
I mean that is space like 
mirrored lasers. 

2308
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,680
Carving the mountain into 
Dragons is very much like the 

2309
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:30,640
Valyrian sorcerer's carving 
gargoyles and Dragons into the 

2310
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,520
black fused stone of 
Dragonstone. 

2311
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:37,120
Very cool carving directly into 
the mountain, which is also what

2312
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:40,400
Dragonstone has done. 
Also you can see there the 

2313
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:44,280
influence here. 
Red Rising has a lot of little 

2314
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:47,040
nods to Game of Thrones and A 
Song of Ice and Fire. 

2315
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,640
Even the name here is maybe an 
is a nod. 

2316
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:54,480
Sun Grave is the city, and 
King's Grave is in A Song of Ice

2317
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:56,880
and Fire as well. 
Red Rising also has a Deep 

2318
01:58:56,880 --> 01:59:01,440
grave, which is a mobile 
undersea prison for the worst of

2319
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,160
humanity, so that's kind of 
cool. 

2320
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:06,400
Anyway, I hope I've inspired you
to pick up Red Rising. 

2321
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,280
Maybe we'll do some coverage of 
it at some later date if enough 

2322
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:13,640
of y'all read it. 
Let's talk about the death and 

2323
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:20,440
legacy of Danisa Dreamer, how 
she is viewed now, and how her 

2324
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,880
character might still pop up as 
relevant in the story. 

2325
01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:26,720
Now, we don't know how she died,
we don't know how long she 

2326
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:29,720
lived, but it would have been a 
big deal no matter when it 

2327
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:33,440
happened given the status she 
probably had within the family 

2328
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:37,240
as the one who saved them all. 
It's also kind of important 

2329
01:59:37,240 --> 01:59:39,000
whether she outlived her husband
or not. 

2330
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:42,280
Like if she outlived her 
husband, then she would be like 

2331
01:59:42,280 --> 01:59:46,560
a Regent advisory figure to her 
own children ruling Dragonstone.

2332
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:49,000
If she died before him, then 
well, then that just didn't 

2333
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,960
happen and she wouldn't have 
seen her children ruling. 

2334
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:54,840
And it's a little bit less 
interesting of a possibility. 

2335
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:58,680
And if she was Valerian's rider,
then that's a big deal because 

2336
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:02,480
Valerian needs a new rider. 
And that would be a large 

2337
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:05,240
opening, literally, for some 
Targaryen. 

2338
02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:08,760
And it wouldn't be Aegon yet, 
because I don't the intervening 

2339
02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:10,320
years. 
There's just too much time. 

2340
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:13,600
So someone would have ridden at 
least one rider of Valerian 

2341
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:17,640
between her and him, assuming it
was even her that Rid rode 

2342
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:20,080
Valerian again. 
Would she have seen any of it 

2343
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:20,960
coming? 
Would she have seen her own 

2344
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:23,440
death coming? 
Would she have seen Aegon? 

2345
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:26,480
Would she have seen any of 
Valerian's future? 

2346
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:29,480
Seen maybe future riders of 
Valerian? 

2347
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:30,840
You know, that's another 
possible thing. 

2348
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:34,480
Now her other daughter, her 
unnamed other daughter, remember

2349
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:37,720
she had Aegon, Elena and a third
child who is unnamed. 

2350
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:42,400
That daughter's descendant 
showed up at the Great Council 

2351
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:46,320
of 101 making a claim. 
Now, there's no extra value to 

2352
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,520
this child in terms of her 
heritage. 

2353
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:51,160
She can't say, oh, I'm descended
from Danish to Dreamer. 

2354
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:53,440
Like, you know, they're all 
descended from Danish to 

2355
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:54,600
Dreamer. 
So that doesn't, that's not a 

2356
02:00:54,600 --> 02:00:57,120
leg up for her or him. 
We don't, I think it was a him 

2357
02:00:57,120 --> 02:01:01,640
actually, But in this case they 
certainly didn't get very far in

2358
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:03,440
the Great Council because they 
didn't even have their name 

2359
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:06,640
mentioned. 
I choose to believe that Danis 

2360
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:10,160
is somewhat revered by the 
Targaryens, but they're such AI 

2361
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:12,040
was they're kind of a spoiled 
family. 

2362
02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:14,040
They don't necessarily Revere 
their ancestors. 

2363
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:18,000
We don't see them like over 
praising Egon the Conqueror that

2364
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:18,960
much. 
You know, they're not. 

2365
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:20,520
They don't have like shrines to 
him. 

2366
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:22,960
So I'm not sure that they do a 
whole lot of ancestor worship or

2367
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:25,920
they're all that grateful. 
Well, they can't. 

2368
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:28,840
They don't seem to name a lot of
people directly after her. 

2369
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:30,280
Yeah, right. 
Good point. 

2370
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:32,600
They have Dana. 
They have Daenerys. 

2371
02:01:32,600 --> 02:01:34,360
But why are there no other 
Danes? 

2372
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:36,400
Great point. 
Yeah, maybe they don't really 

2373
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:38,640
love that name. 
And there's no other gay man's 

2374
02:01:38,640 --> 02:01:39,960
really either game in the 
glorious. 

2375
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:43,200
I mean, yeah, a lot of the 
Targaryen Dragonstone names 

2376
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:45,360
weren't repeated. 
Like there's an Alix and a 

2377
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:47,600
Megon. 
These are archaic, you know, 

2378
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:50,560
They sound old. 
They sound like Gertrude and 

2379
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:53,920
Ruth to us, you know. 
Yeah, maybe that's it. 

2380
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:55,680
There's like these names have 
fallen out of fashion, you know,

2381
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:57,680
they were like, yeah, we need 
new names for a new era. 

2382
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,880
Something that Hot D pushed 
conceptually that I find fitting

2383
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,880
for the books is the notion that
the Targaryens were very pro 

2384
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:07,200
dreamers and visionaries because
they owed their existence to 

2385
02:02:07,200 --> 02:02:12,400
Danes, which is why they're 
maybe more open to the Song of 

2386
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:16,720
Ice and Fire, why Aegon was, you
know, took that seriously and 

2387
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:18,960
why the dagger was made and all 
that. 

2388
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:21,800
We've talked about Aries, the 
1st and Rhaegar and these other 

2389
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:26,160
characters who later found books
and that put them, you know, 

2390
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:28,800
started them off on a new 
journey and maybe changed the 

2391
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:30,680
way they viewed the world and 
their own family. 

2392
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:34,280
They came along after Baylor the
Blessed. 

2393
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:36,560
So they may not have been able 
to read signs and portents, but 

2394
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,320
they would still know of her. 
They would still be aware of her

2395
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:39,640
existence. 
It's not like the people, it's 

2396
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:41,080
not like the family forgot about
her. 

2397
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:45,440
So she likely instilled a 
healthy belief in many 

2398
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:50,000
Targaryens in the utility, if 
not value of listening or at 

2399
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:53,720
least being aware of signs and 
portents. 

2400
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:59,080
But that could have very mixed 
results if we remember what 

2401
02:02:59,080 --> 02:03:01,920
Marwin said and, you know, the 
sword without a hilt thing. 

2402
02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:05,440
So we've seen George fill in 
this material after A Dance with

2403
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:07,880
Dragons, right? 
Like most of what we know about 

2404
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:10,760
Danis and the details of the 
Targaryen flight from 

2405
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:13,040
Dragonstone, of which there's 
still a lot more to be revealed.

2406
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:17,000
I think more of that back story 
could come as a lot of these 

2407
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:20,560
plot lines come to a head. 
I mean, Danny's going to learn 

2408
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:24,920
more about her family history, 
whether through Sam, Marwin, 

2409
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:31,600
Tyrion, other people, who knows?
George is really good at writing

2410
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:34,800
in back story and creative ways 
and finding ways to sneak it in 

2411
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:39,240
there and not always in the POV 
it most relates to, right? 

2412
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:43,120
Obviously, for example, Eamon 
figures out some very important 

2413
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:46,200
prints, prints that was promised
stuff that he right before his 

2414
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:49,800
death, he tells it to Sam and 
straight up tells Sam to tell 

2415
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:51,960
Danny. 
And then Sam tells some of this 

2416
02:03:51,960 --> 02:03:54,280
to Martin and Martin's like, 
well, I'm going to go to Danny. 

2417
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:58,760
So these conversations have yet 
to happen, but they seem likely 

2418
02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:01,120
to. 
Marwin could meet Danny and 

2419
02:04:01,120 --> 02:04:04,200
argue with Tyrion about some of 
these things, kind of like how 

2420
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:08,280
Tyrion argued with Haldem. 
They could cite sources during 

2421
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:10,160
their arguments. 
And that would be a really good 

2422
02:04:10,160 --> 02:04:12,400
way for George to sneak some of 
this in there and wouldn't even 

2423
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:14,040
be sneaky. 
He'd be get it out there. 

2424
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:15,600
Just drop it right in front of 
us. 

2425
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:18,240
And again, Marwin is not some 
naive guy. 

2426
02:04:18,240 --> 02:04:20,040
He's the one. 
He's the one that said prophecy 

2427
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,560
is dangerous. 
So he, he, even though he's open

2428
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:26,120
to it, he's not naive about it. 
So that's very interesting too. 

2429
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:29,880
And as the guy that wrote the 
book of lost books, he's perhaps

2430
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:32,400
the foremost expert on this 
stuff. 

2431
02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:36,160
So I do think that some of this 
is really just beginning. 

2432
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:40,320
George didn't develop it earlier
because he didn't have to, but 

2433
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:41,800
now is the time where he needs 
to. 

2434
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:46,280
And well, it's been another 1213
years since a lot of that stuff,

2435
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:48,520
so he's had a lot more time to 
think about it. 

2436
02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:50,880
And I imagine the Winds of 
Winners has already got some 

2437
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:52,960
more detail in there. 
We just haven't seen it yet. 

2438
02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:57,640
Trivia. 
What book did Archmaester Marwin

2439
02:04:57,640 --> 02:05:00,000
write? 
As we said, it's possible he 

2440
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,440
wrote other books, but we only 
know the one the Book of Lost 

2441
02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:04,920
books. 
Yes, that's right. 

2442
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:06,640
We that came up a few times this
episode. 

2443
02:05:07,160 --> 02:05:10,440
Book of Lost books is certainly 
the a great concept for a book. 

2444
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:14,480
I bet there's some real world 
books of lost books, you know, I

2445
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,560
mean, like we said, there's tons
of examples of real world books 

2446
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:21,840
that refer to other books as 
sources that don't exist 

2447
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:23,240
anymore. 
So someone's probably compiled a

2448
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:26,760
lot of that and some someone out
there, I bet someone listening 

2449
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:30,920
right now has an answer for me. 
So let me know, tell us where we

2450
02:05:30,920 --> 02:05:33,960
can find examples of real life 
books, of lost books. 

2451
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:38,080
We mentioned a lot of episodes 
day that relate to this one 

2452
02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:42,120
episode, the deal with prophecy,
Targaryens, magic, Dragons, 

2453
02:05:42,440 --> 02:05:45,040
Dragonstone is one such. 
We have an episode on the doom 

2454
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:47,400
of Valyria. 
We have an episode dedicated 

2455
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:49,960
entirely to Valerian. 
We have an episode dedicated to 

2456
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:52,440
the century of blood. 
We of course refer to the ghost 

2457
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:54,720
of High heart, a different type 
of prophet, different type of 

2458
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:57,600
prophecies, Summerhall, a big 
one. 

2459
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:01,080
And later this year we will have
an episode called Who Knows the 

2460
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:05,080
Song of Ice and Fire where we 
trace the that particular 

2461
02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:07,760
prophecy through the Targaryen 
dynasty and talk about who else 

2462
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:10,440
might know of it and who might 
learn of it. 

2463
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:13,240
So that one isn't out yet, but 
by the time you hear this 

2464
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:18,600
episode, maybe it is. 
Thanks to Nina for her great 

2465
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:19,720
takes. 
A lot of great notes. 

2466
02:06:19,720 --> 02:06:22,680
And don't forget to check out 
good queenalley.tumblr.com. 

2467
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:25,960
Thanks to Joey Townsend for our 
amazing music. 

2468
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:28,800
Thanks to Michael Klarfeld for 
our video intro. 

2469
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:33,040
You can see the map behind me as
an example of Michael's great 

2470
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:35,280
work. 
And you can buy a copy yourself 

2471
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:40,160
or a file and then go have it 
printed yourself from KLARADO 

2472
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:43,400
x.de. 
That's claradox.de. 

2473
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:48,080
And until next time, on behalf 
of Ishaya, I'm Aziz. 

2474
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:51,960
You know what to do, Valar 
Riridis.