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The very night Daenerys 
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worst storms in living memory 
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This earned her the nickname 
Stormborn, a moniker that has 

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spread far and wide alongside 
news of her deeds. 

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And it's when she's carried 
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uses it. 
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It's a potent name, a portentous
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of weight and meaning. 
Also, it just sounds cool. 

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Storms, like other extreme 
weather, are fairly common 

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literary devices to indicate 
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something deeper with Danny. 
There's a lot to say about that.

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Storms represent emotional 
turmoil, AKA conflict and 

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madness, and change the trope. 
It Was a Dark and stormy Night 

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stands out as such a classic 
overused example that it's the 

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example of overused examples for
an opening sentence. 

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Now, George doesn't actually 
write it that way, of course, 

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but Danny was born on a dark and
stormy night. 

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He still wanted to use that 
vibe, just without the the basic

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version of it. 
He did a much more advanced 

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version. 
It's loaded with symbolism and 

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meaning and foreshadowing. 
Much of that we've already seen 

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unfold, right? 
Danny's adventures have gone 

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quite a bit. 
We've seen a lot of what she's 

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done and and she's living up to 
that nickname, but much is yet 

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to come still. 
So these are all fitting things 

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to say about Daenerys, or to 
speak of in reference to her. 

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They're all part of her. 
The pastiche of her character. 

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All the people she's encountered
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whether follower or foe, could 
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She has that presence, she has 
that strength. 

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One example of each, a friend 
and a foe, comes in Kingsguard 

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POV 4, Barristan and Jamie, and 
they're a big part of today's 

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story 'cause they're witnesses 
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And so is most importantly and 
least known Queen Rae Ella, who 

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gave birth to Rhaegar during 
Summer Hall and then to Daenerys

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during the storm, where she 
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Danny's mother is a compelling 
and highly tragic figure, deeply

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intertwined with House 
Targaryen, supernatural, and 

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final days on the Iron Throne. 
We've got all that and more on 

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this episode of History of 
Westeros podcast. 

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She had a lot to say about this 
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Today we discussed Rayella quite
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That's a topic she's considered 
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siblings marriages work in the 
Seven Kingdoms? 

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That's it's a little odd, right?
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frankly, one I hadn't thought 
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At the end of this episode, I 
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this one over topics that 
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different things that we touched
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That is a regular feature at the
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So is the answer to the trivia 
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for Crows prologue, which 
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all the Targaryens are dead? 
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we're discussing today that is 
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this episode. 
We have the following sections. 

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Let me read those to you. 
We have Rayella, the last queen.

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We have Ascent and Reign. 
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We have Flight to Dragonstone. 
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Stormborn. 
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Let's kick it off with Daenerys 
at the start of A Storm of 

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Swords with a nice long quote. 
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forecastle, watching her Dragons
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cloudless blue sky, Daenerys 
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could ever remember being. 
Her Dothraki called the sea the 

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poison water, distrusting any 
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not drink. 
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lifted anchor at Karth, you 
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sailing to hell instead of 
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Her brave young blood riders had
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coastline with huge white eyes, 
each of the three determined to 

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show No Fear before the other 
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While her handmaids, Eerie and 
Jeeky, clutched the rail 

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desperately and retched over the
side at every little swell, the 

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rest of Danny's tiny callisar 
remained below decks, preferring

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the company of their nervous 
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landless world about the ships. 
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enveloped them six days into the
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the hatches, the horses kicking 
and screaming, the riders 

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praying in thin quavery voices 
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swayed. 
No squaw could frighten Danny 

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though. 
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called, for. 
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world on distant Dragonstone as 
the greatest storm in the memory

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of Westeros howled outside, a 
storm so fierce that it ripped 

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gargoyles from the castle walls 
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to kindling. 
It becomes part of her identity.

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The storm borne herself is at 
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Even the storms themselves don't
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It's a milder version of what 
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when she jumped into it two 
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reflection of how even from the 
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literally and figuratively faced
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the physical devastation of the 
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The storm symbolically wrecked 
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house for either defense or 
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obviously didn't know about 
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She wasn't there for it. 
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She was there for it, but she 
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you know, functioning adult or 
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She was just an infant, but she 
would have grown up knowing that

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it was, this is the moment of 
her birth, all that happened. 

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Now, of course, she's 
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It may not be the greatest storm
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It may not have ripped Gargles 
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It did smash the fleet, but only
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So you know, but the the tale 
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that's kind of the point here. 
Danny is using the story to pump

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herself up. 
She's getting drawing confidence

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from this this her birth from 
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And it teaches her to not be 
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or whatever. 
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her own identity and her own 
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It's it's anchored, perhaps most
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dragon eggs. 
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before she became the Unburnt, 
she had a lot of confidence, a 

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lot of belief in herself as a 
child of destiny. 

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It it was a part of it before 
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She was Stormborn before she 
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It was like like a Tyrion makes 
that joke. 

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You know, my greatest 
accomplishment when being called

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the sister, the the brother of 
the Queen, like Storm board 

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isn't something Danny earned, 
but it's absolutely part of her,

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right? 
The other titles that we'll get 

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to later. 
She earned that. 

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second-half. 
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episode, we're mostly going to 
focus on the circumstances 

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leading up to that famous and 
auspicious birth, mostly 

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centered around the woman who 
bore her, and that's Raela, the 

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last queen. 
It's a bit of a dramatic title 

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I've given her, to be sure, but 
unless slash until Danny 

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reclaims the throne, it's 100% 
true that her mother was the 

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last queen of House Targaryen. 
If Danny learns more about her 

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family, she'll have to face what
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She hasn't come to terms with 
that. 

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She's heard bits and pieces, but
it hasn't really been something 

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that she's been confronted with.
But her mother, that would not 

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be difficult for her, other than
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faced, which there's a lot of 
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and learn what her mother lived 
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But she's not going to have to 
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terrible psychopath like her 
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anything. 
While. 

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And when I say that, I mean that

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when while Aries burned people 
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death. 
No, I'm just kidding. 

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She didn't kill anyone, as far 
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That. 
Rae. 

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Ella Rail is often overshadowed 
by her mad husband and her 

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famous children, but her death 
came amidst so many other 

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deaths, and her story is as sad 
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It's sadder than anyone. 
It's just about really. 

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And in writing all this, when 
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of realized that it really does 
have the making of a full 

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episode someday, perhaps. 
Daenerys began her life on the 

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run, but the running began 
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Like, she was on the run when 
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when she was a fetus, right by 
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Her mother was running. 
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run with Daenerys. 
So like, her mother ran and then

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stopped running, and then she 
died, and then Daenerys had to 

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start running. 
But a detail many of you might 

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not know is that Raela gave 
Daenerys her name. 

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Now, it could be that Raela had 
an angle here. 

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She's thinking of the Daenerys 
who lived in Dorn, the same 

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Daenerys who the Water gardens 
were built for, the same water 

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gardens that Doran Martel loves.
So Doran might have been an 

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option for them to flee there. 
They might have thought, OK, 

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well, Dragon Stone's going to 
fall. 

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We have to leave. 
Maybe we can go to Doran now. 

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That's not what ended up 
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But at the time, she may have 
been considering that 

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possibility. 
And naming her child Daenerys 

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may have been like a a little 
way to sweeten things, to remind

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Doran Martel of that connection.
But as the news got worse from 

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the rebellion, plans changed. 
Or as they would have called, 

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they wouldn't have called it the
rebellion, they would have 

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called it the War of the 
Usurper. 

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Nina is the one who gave me this
thought, that she thinks that 

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there's a good chance that was 
why the name Daenerys was 

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chosen, maybe as a last ditch 
effort for asylum. 

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And yeah, she didn't have many 
options. 

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Rae Ella. 
She also didn't have a lot of 

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necessarily experience being in 
charge. 

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Aries was not really, as far as 
we know, didn't include her in 

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councils or anything like that. 
So she was kind of put to the 

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side, but once Aries was out of 
the picture, she was the de 

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facto royal. 
She was the head of the house 

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for, you know, about a year from
the time she fled Dragonstone, I

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guess about nine months. 
This is about the time Danny's 

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Danny was, she was pregnant with
Danny the. 

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But about the minute she left. 
So yeah, you can almost nail it 

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down to exactly 9 months. 
But anyway, this is just a 

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sample of the underlying story 
we're looking at today for her. 

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Let's go back and look at some 
key aspects of Ray Ella's life 

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because she's where it starts. 
She was born somewhere in the 

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2:45 to 2:47 range, give or 
take, right? 

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That's that's it. 
It's somewhere in that 

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three-year range. 
It's actually not outside of 

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that range, but Aries was born 
in 244. 

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So they were pretty close in 
age, at most three years apart 

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and they had no other siblings. 
And that's really important 

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because it means that Ray all 
has no one else to turn to, no 

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one else who might have 
understood her position or 

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experienced what she 
experienced. 

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Even though Aries was awful, he 
wasn't awful at the beginning. 

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Remember, he wasn't awful as a 
young man. 

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He might have been great, but he
wasn't a violent psychopath 

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either. 
So even though he's terrible, 

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she's still in a strange 
position where her brother and 

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future husband was one of the 
only people in this world, if 

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not the only person in this 
world that could understand a 

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lot of her life and her 
circumstances. 

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And well, that's, that's its own
form of tragedy that the only 

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person that can you can trust or
rely on or who understands at 

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least what you've been through 
becomes what Aries became. 

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So she lost even that. 
And that was being married to 

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him. 
But long before that, when they 

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first got married, it was under 
the auspices of prophecy, right?

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Rae Ella married Aries because 
of Woods, which which was 

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probably the ghost of high heart
who was brought to court by 

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Jenny of old stones said the 
Prince of the the Prince that 

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was promised is going to be born
of your line, Jairus the second.

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Of course, he wasn't actually 
Jairus the second yet he was 

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still Prince. 
But whatever, he made the call, 

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he said yes, this marriage is 
going to happen. 

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He believed the prophecy. 
So Rael is married under the 

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auspices of prophecy, married 
because of one. 

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It might have happened anyway 
'cause you're thinking, hey, 

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Targaryens, they get married all
the time. 

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But no, this was past that era. 
King Egg on the fifth was on the

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Iron Throne at this point. 
He did not like the incest 

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marriages. 
He was against them for the most

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part, but he was also pro 
allowing his children to choose.

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He was allowed to choose. 
He married Black Betha Blackwood

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and you know that normally 
Royals aren't allowed to pick 

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their brides like that. 
And so he kind of didn't want to

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be a hypocrite. 
So he allowed it to happen. 

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He was frustrated, though. 
He didn't like that Jaharius had

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arranged this marriage and 
Jaharius had already married his

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sister because they were in 
love. 

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And so it was kind of continuing
this pattern that they thought 

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they were getting rid of. 
Like God, he's we're trying to 

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get rid of the incest and here 
you go. 

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You all are just carrying it 
forward again. 

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And of course, that pair is the 
ones who ended up being king. 

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But thanks to Duncan the Spall, 
you know, forgoing the throne 

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because he chose his bride, 
right? 

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Jenny of old Stones, the 
aforementioned. 

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So Barristan, again, an 
important witness to a lot of 

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this, claims that Aries and 
Braella weren't that fond of 

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each other, the wedding wasn't 
loving or what have you. 

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Now, Barristan's not necessarily
the best judge of things, isn't 

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a guy that's had, you know, any 
relationships in his life, but 

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he can probably tell the 
difference Despite that. 

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After all, he was there for 
Aegon the 5th and Betha to a 

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couple that really genuinely 
loved each other. 

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And Jerry Sanchera even more 
recently, the the couple that 

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put this pairing together is 
their children. 

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So I think we can trust him on 
this one. 

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And later evidence seems to 
corroborate what Barristan says 

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here. 
Now, she meaning Rayela was 

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briefly into Sir Bonifer Hastie,
the guy who's currently in 

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charge of Harrenhal. 
He's a very he's leading the 

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holy 100, right? 
A very devout guy. 

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So that's just Jamie kind of 
thinks how that's an appropriate

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sarcastic response to Harrenhal.
Well, we got this cursed place, 

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send a holy guy there. 
Like, yeah, sure, that'll work. 

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Anyway, that's not here. 
We're not going to talk about 

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Harrenhal. 
We're here to talk about this 

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little connection. 
It was a brief 1, Sir Bonifer, 

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Hastie and Riella. 
I doubt they actually hooked up.

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You know, he's a religious guy. 
She seems very dutiful. 

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That's a big scandal. 
So I don't think it was a true 

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relationship in that they, it 
was consummated or anything like

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that. 
But her interest in him gives us

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a clue maybe about her 
personality, the kind of man she

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was into. 
Like he thought it was serious 

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enough that she never, he never 
pursued another woman. 

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He never loved another person. 
He just gave himself to the 

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faith entirely and real well, 
she had to give herself to her 

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family entirely. 
And but first that was Aries, 

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later that was her children. 
So it's unlikely, though, that 

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you go that devout out of 
nowhere. 

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He was probably devout before, 
maybe just, you know, he wasn't 

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fully committed to the faith, 
but he was already likely a very

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Worshipful guy, which suggests 
that maybe that's what Raeela 

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liked about him, that he she 
liked that he was a man of the 

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faith. 
Or maybe that was something that

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they shared. 
Maybe she was a very big on 

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piety. 
It's maybe like a micro version 

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of Prince Amon and Prince Narius
here, a queen in love with a 

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devout knight. 
That love was returned, but 

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there's no way for them to 
pursue it because she's married 

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to her older brother, the king. 
Now, of course, in this case, 

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it's not an incest pairing with 
Prince Narius and Prince or 

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Princess Narius and Princess 
Amon. 

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Obviously Sir Bonifer Hastie's 
not related to Raela, but still,

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the parallel holds. 
And it's another example of how 

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little agency or experience 
Raela had in life. 

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Yes, this is this is at this 
point, she's already living in a

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gilded cage like a lot of Queens
do. 

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But over time it gets a lot 
worse. 

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It almost becomes a gilded 
torture chamber. 

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The closest example Barrison can
think of is this. 

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For her, having a relationship 
anything like that, it's pretty 

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sad. 
It's pretty sad. 

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She had ladies in waiting, Doran
slash Oberon slash Elia's 

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mother, the unnamed Princess of 
Dorne, and it was one of them. 

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And so is Joanna Lannister. 
Now we don't know how the 

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relationship was with the 
Princess of Dorne, the eventual 

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Princess of Dorne, but she would
have had to leave, presumably 

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because she became the Princess 
of Dorne. 

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She certainly wasn't the lady in
waiting while holding the title 

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Princess of Dorne, maybe the 
heir or maybe it's another step 

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down. 
But once she ascended to that 

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title, I don't think she's the 
lady and lady anymore. 

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And even these so even these 
friendships, if they were 

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friendships, maybe they were 
just companions. 

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Even a lot of these ended 
prematurely or ended badly, like

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her friendship with Joanna 
Lannister. 

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If if that was a friendship, 
they're such strife happened 

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between Aries and Tywin in the 
long run and Aries, his flirting

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or attachment to Joanna, 
whatever that was, that wouldn't

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have made Rayela happy either. 
And Rayela was, Joanna was 

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dismissed, you know, as part of 
that. 

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But long before that happened, 
she famously gave birth to 

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Rhaegar during the conflagration
at Summerhall. 

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Now, this obviously had a big 
impact on Rhaegar himself in 

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thinking that he himself is the 
Prince that was promised. 

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So what impact did it have on 
her? 

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Well, how does she view 
prophecies and issues like this 

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based on how deeply she was 
intertwined in them? 

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And not just intertwined as the 
mother of Rhaegar and the 

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eventual mother of Danny, but 
her son, this very person, 

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Rhaegar, who believed that for a
while that he was the Prince 

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that was promised and then who 
moved on to believing it was his

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own son instead of himself. 
Did that stick with her? 

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Did she believe that? 
Is this like, did she support 

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her son in these endeavors? 
Did she say yes, son, you should

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research this more, you know, 
dig, dig deeper into these 

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prophecies or did she say? 
Pursuit of prophecy is what 

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screwed our family up in the 1st
place. 

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Look at what happened at Summer 
Hall. 

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You could easily see her having 
a strong opinion one way or 

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another. 
Or somewhere in the middle. 

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It's it's hard to know, but 
either way it would have had to 

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be very traumatic. 
There's no doubt about that. 

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Giving birth at a very young age
is bad. 

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She might have been as young as 
13, but also seeing her great 

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grandfather's palace burned down
and various family members 

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burned to death and, and just 
other people. 

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It's not just her family that 
died there a lot of just regular

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folk, Kingsguard. 
And I'm sure that was extremely 

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unpleasant. 
None of this was anything she 

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wanted or chose for herself. 
And it almost killed her. 

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You know, maybe the childbirth 
and the fire. 

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So terrible, terrifying. 
And if Danny knew about this, it

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would be a connection, the way 
that she lost Rago and all the 

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supernatural elements around 
that, all the dreams she was 

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having, just a supernatural 
charged birth while her husband 

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is dying, right? 
Like just all this other stuff 

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is going on. 
So is that what Rails thinking? 

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She knew she had to marry Aries 
because of the prophecy, or at 

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least that's what she was told. 
Again, we don't know what she's 

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actually thinking here, but you 
might wonder if she thinks it's 

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all worth it. 
Like, if this is what it takes 

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to make a Prince that was 
promised. 

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My God, I mean, she had to go 
through so much 'cause we're 

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just getting started on all the 
suffering she went through. 

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Like, that's enough right there.
But there's so much more to 

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come. 
And she would later face 

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Rhaegar's change of heart. 
Like, well, Rhaegar thought he 

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was the Prince that was 
promised, that he thinks it's 

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his son. 
Well, what does she think about 

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that? 
Does she think, well, maybe it's

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someone he hasn't even 
identified yet. 

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Maybe the Prince that was 
promised is somebody else 

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entirely. 
Or maybe she just, you know, 

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constantly supported Rhaegar. 
If you say it's him, it's him, 

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right? 
That kind of thing. 

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There's a lot of lot of room 
here. 

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And that's that's a problem we 
face with a character that we 

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don't know super well. 
She's super interesting, super 

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compelling, but her personality 
is largely a mystery. 

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So we have to, you know, cast a 
wide net with our guesses. 

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That's part of the fun, 
imagining all the possibilities.

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During King Jerry's the Second's
reign, the War of the 9 Penny 

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Kings took place. 
Aries fought in it, so did 

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Tywin. 
Aries knighted Tywin. 

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They were close then, They were 
friends then. 

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This is also when Barristan 
became more of a great story 

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about a bold boy at A tournament
and actually became a living 

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legend by cutting through the 
Golden Company to kill Maelys 

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the Monstrous in single combat. 
Shortly after, Barristan joined 

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the Kingsguard and in turn 
became a key witness for us. 

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Of course, because he's a POV 
character and because he was 

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around for all of Aries and 
Rayela's reign, and a little 

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before it. 
Now he wasn't at Summerhall, but

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he did see the the wedding as we
saw, so that was before he was a

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Kingsguard, but after this, he's
there all the time, he's 

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constantly around the Royals and
well, his POV probably still has

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some more to reveal in that 
regard, but we have quite a bit 

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in this episode already. 
So Ascent and Rain, let's talk 

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about that. 
Her father and mother only 

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reigned for about 3 years, and 
it was during the time the 9 

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Penny Kings attacked. 
So in 262, Rae Ella became queen

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as perhaps as young as 15, maybe
17 at most. 

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So that's pretty young. 
She's already had a kid, she's 

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already gone through Summer 
Hall, and now she's queen. 

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She's already seen so much of 
her family die, both through 

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tragedy and just through 
whatever killed Jerry. 

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Second. 
He had ill health, but he didn't

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even make it to age 40. 
So like, that's really young to 

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lose your father. 
And there was an expectation 

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placed on her because she was 
one of the few living female 

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Targaryens. 
They needed children. 

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They needed more Targaryens. 
A lot of them had died and that 

446
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,960
was the expectation. 
And that's her duty. 

447
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,160
Make more Targaryens. 
And Real is said to be dutiful, 

448
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,720
so she probably took that upon 
herself and then took it 

449
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,280
seriously. 
Aries declared he'd be the best 

450
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,800
king ever. 
Well, he got close to being the 

451
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,440
opposite of that, if not nailed 
it. 

452
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,000
You know, I wonder if she 
believed that though. 

453
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,680
Before he was mad when he said 
something like that. 

454
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,400
He might, if she might have 
think, felt hopeful about that, 

455
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,960
but you may have already been 
mature enough to realize that 

456
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:17,360
this dude's all talk like she'd 
been around him enough to know 

457
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,360
that he might have already said 
a lot of things that didn't, 

458
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:21,560
that he wasn't willing to back 
up. 

459
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,160
That may have already been a 
feature of Aries at a younger 

460
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,080
age. 
What she thought of his reign 

461
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,040
early on is maybe immaterial 
because she was doing so much 

462
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,360
with so much on her own, you 
know, his policies and all that.

463
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,840
I doubt she had a lot of concern
there because she had a 

464
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,760
miscarriage the following year 
and then another in 264. 

465
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,040
So she's queen of 262 and has 
one miscarriage per year the 

466
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,840
first two years. 267, she has a 
still birth, a girl named Shana,

467
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,680
269, a Prince Darren who lived 
six months. 

468
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,360
In 270 she has another still 
birth. 

469
00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,880
We're not told the gender or 
name doesn't exactly matter. 

470
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,080
Around this time, Aries turned 
on her. 

471
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,960
It shows the toll that it was 
taking on both of them. 

472
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,800
She apparently handled it 
better. 

473
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:10,160
It's hard to take it worse than 
Aries did. 

474
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,400
He accused her of being 
unfaithful. 

475
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,080
At first he was kind to her 
about it. 

476
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,400
He was he comforted her 
throughout their their shared 

477
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,520
losses. 
But eventually, as the problems 

478
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,680
and tragedies mounted and his 
madness worsened, perhaps a bit 

479
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,840
of a self fulfilling thing here.
The the trauma was probably 

480
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,000
fueling the madness to some 
degree, if not to a very extreme

481
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,960
degree. 
So in this year 270, after they 

482
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,000
had already lost five children 
to miscarriage and still birth, 

483
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,520
she turned on Rael or he turned 
on Raela and accused her of 

484
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,520
being unfaithful. 
He couldn't believe that these 

485
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,480
still bursts were of his body. 
He confined her to Magor's hold 

486
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,160
fast with two septas in her bed 
every night, which is not unlike

487
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,360
what Cersei had put on her two 
septas in her bed every night. 

488
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,280
This was followed by another 
miscarriage in 271 and there was

489
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,680
a Prince Agon born in 272, born 
two months premature, died the 

490
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,960
following year. 
There was a Jeharis born in 274,

491
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,400
died the same year, and Aries 
just kept getting madder and 

492
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,160
madder in both senses of the 
word. 

493
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,440
He was getting madder in terms 
of insanity and madder in terms 

494
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,600
of anger. 
For him, this was the last 

495
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,760
straw. 
He had her wet nurse beheaded 

496
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,800
after this Prince Jairis died. 
Think about this from her 

497
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,080
perspective. 
Not only does each pregnancy 

498
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,480
result in escalating grief 
because of so many bad results, 

499
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,440
it starts to get innocent people
killed, right? 

500
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,960
You're supposed to feel good 
about getting pregnant. 

501
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,040
If assuming you want to be 
pregnant, instead of joy from 

502
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,000
that, there's just terror and 
death. 

503
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,240
It's not at all what you're 
supposed to look forward to when

504
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,760
you get pregnant. 
Pregnant, you're like, hey, I'm 

505
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,360
going to have a baby. 
We're going to have, I'm going 

506
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,280
to be a mother. 
It's going to be great, but no 

507
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,720
death. 
And then innocent people killed 

508
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,360
because of that death. 
It's horrible. 

509
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,440
You just can't possibly fathom 
what that's like. 

510
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,720
It would have been so stressful 
and traumatic. 

511
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,920
And it probably just made like, 
how's that going to help her 

512
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,120
have children when she's that 
stressed out about what happens 

513
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,840
when she's pregnant? 
Like the stress is absolutely 

514
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,320
going to be passed on to the 
baby. 

515
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,240
And yeah, it all all together, 
it adds up to 9 pregnancies in 

516
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,200
15 years, six of which were went
to term or close to it. 

517
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,320
Just in terms of how physically 
taxing it was. 

518
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,800
It would be insane. 
But the, the grief, 

519
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,160
unbelievable. 
And then having her husband, you

520
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,600
know, pile on her on top of 
that. 

521
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,000
Like, it's just, there's there's
no way I can put myself in those

522
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,800
shoes. 
I don't suspect many of us can 

523
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,680
or any of us can. 
So Aries, just being who he was 

524
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,880
flipped around to some other 
ideas. 

525
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Eventually he decided it was 
own. 

526
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,520
It was his own mistress's fault 
his mistress killed the child or

527
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,280
did something and he had her 
killed too. 

528
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:45,360
Then he decided it was his own 
fault for being unfaithful. 

529
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,040
So he fasted for a fortnight and
did a walk of penance to the 

530
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,000
Great Sept. 
Also a bit like Cersei, but he 

531
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,560
wasn't naked. 
He declared he would only sleep 

532
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,520
with Queen Rayella from then on.
I'm not sure that was a relief 

533
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,440
to her, and though the 
miscarriages and stillbirths 

534
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:08,240
were not his fault, it's better 
than him taking responsibility 

535
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,920
is better than him murdering 
servants. 

536
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,560
So it's like the bar was really 
low for the situation to 

537
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,440
improve. 
And it did a little bit, because

538
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,880
at least he stopped killing 
servants for things they had 

539
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,000
nothing to do with. 
Things got even better though, a

540
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,840
little bit more improvement. 
In 276 Viserys was born and he 

541
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,360
actually survived. 
As we know, Viserys didn't have 

542
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,480
a great life, but he outlived 
his mother and she didn't have 

543
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,160
to see another child of hers 
die. 

544
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Aries was so paranoid about 
Viserys that he had him guarded 

545
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,880
constantly, wouldn't even allow 
Rae Ella herself to be alone 

546
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,080
with the boy, which just 
continues to show him just how 

547
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,320
paranoid he was. 
Like Rae Ella was no danger to 

548
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,240
the boy, but Aries's paranoid 
mind thought that. 

549
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440
Then things got worse again, 
because the following year was 

550
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,520
the defiance of Duskindale. 
When Barristan Selmy ponders 

551
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120
whether or not the realm would 
have been better off if he had 

552
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,680
failed at Dusk and Dale or just 
not tried, well, I suspect 

553
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,680
Rayela would affirm him in that 
one. 

554
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,160
So yes, if Aries had died there,
Rhaegar would have ascended. 

555
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Rhaegar could have been free of 
Aries forever, and before the 

556
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,800
worst of his madness took hold, 
I might add. 

557
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,880
Because the next several years 
will be the worst of them. 

558
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,680
Well, the worst for Aries, maybe
not the worst for reality, 

559
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,160
because it's hard to be worse 
than losing all those children 

560
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,120
and and at least that's not 
going to she's done with the the

561
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,080
still burst at least. 
So she could have been free of 

562
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,800
her brother before the worst of 
that and had her son take over, 

563
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480
which would have been great. 
She could kind of retire as a, 

564
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,120
you know, a not have to be a 
sitting queen anymore. 

565
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,120
She could raise Viserys in 
peace, That would have been such

566
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,080
a better outcome for her. 
Not to be fair, not nearly as 

567
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,200
exciting or entertaining as a 
story, but hey, right. 

568
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,280
So instead of never seeing Aries
again, instead of him being 

569
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,640
dead, she was stuck in the same 
castle with him because he 

570
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,720
became so paranoid. 
His paranoia went even higher. 

571
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,240
He didn't leave the Red Keep for
four years, which probably means

572
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,480
she didn't either thanks to his 
paranoia. 

573
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,880
She wouldn't. 
He wouldn't want her going off 

574
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,240
to plot against him, right? 
And she might he might have also

575
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,240
worried what other people might 
do to her, like it's a double 

576
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,000
parent. 
He's worried that she will turn 

577
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,920
on him and she's worried that 
other people will do something 

578
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,920
to her like the the the mind of 
a madman. 

579
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,400
It's hard to it's hard to 
figure. 

580
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,880
And she also probably didn't 
want to leave because she 

581
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,160
probably didn't want to leave 
Viserys alone with him because 

582
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,360
she we're told that as Viserys 
as Viserys got older and Aries's

583
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,200
madness got worse, she placed 
herself between them, like tried

584
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,640
to shield Viserys from the worst
of what Aries was. 

585
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,960
And around this time also a 
little bit after Duskindale was 

586
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,560
when Varis came into the 
picture. 

587
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,720
I doubt she was a fan, but who 
knows, maybe Varis she liked how

588
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,800
he talked. 
Maybe he was good to her for 

589
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,160
some reason, who knows. 
I I really no clue what 

590
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800
whatsoever, but a lot of people 
don't like Varis. 

591
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,440
So it it I would guess that she 
wasn't a fan if she was a 

592
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,480
dutiful person that's probably 
into the faith than the the the 

593
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,120
seven maybe a pious woman that's
not someone that's probably 

594
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,280
going to be a fan of varies. 
This is also unfortunately when 

595
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,560
Aries started having a sexual 
reaction to burning people alive

596
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,240
and he was grossly abusive to 
her after each victim. 

597
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,880
This is why I'm like I don't 
know what's worse the losing all

598
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,280
the children or every time Aries
burns someone he comes and and 

599
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080
sleeps with her and is abusive 
and and and forces himself on 

600
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,240
her. 
So every time he has a burning 

601
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,040
victim, she's the second victim.
In that case, the first victim 

602
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,960
changes with each burning, but 
every time she's victim #2 so 

603
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,920
not only did each pregnancy 
become fraught with peril, but 

604
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,120
her marriage bed became violent 
and abusive. 

605
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,320
So many aspects of motherhood 
and so many privileges that come

606
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,760
with being queen weren't just 
lacking for Rayella, they were 

607
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,200
entirely flipped and reversed. 
Again, I say not just a gilded 

608
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,960
cage, a gilded torture chamber. 
And as an aside, how could this 

609
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,880
not have affected Viserys? 
Yes, Raela shielded Viserys from

610
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,440
a lot of Aries's worst aspects, 
but how much could she have 

611
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,440
possibly kept him from there's? 
There's only so much she can do.

612
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,880
It's a monumental task. 
Selmy confirms this without 

613
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,720
details. 
But yeah. 

614
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,800
Now we're not all created equal 
in the real world or in 

615
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,360
Westeros, but Rhaegar was raised
by Aries and and Raela when 

616
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,880
things were much better. 
Before he had gone mad, before 

617
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,680
Aries had gone mad. 
Not that Rhaegar's life was some

618
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,360
cakewalk, right? 
His his father hadn't gone mad 

619
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,000
yet, but he would have been 
deeply affected by his mother 

620
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560
losing all those would be 
siblings for him. 

621
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,920
By the time he was 15, he'd lost
8 potential siblings. 

622
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Wow. 
And at a pretty early age he 

623
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,360
decided, quote, he must be a 
warrior. 

624
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,560
Remember all that? 
So he was a very serious, 

625
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,200
dutiful boy. 
Again, this is a clue that 

626
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,160
Rayella was a similar type of 
figure, that maybe she had some 

627
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,680
of that impact on him. 
And Danny and Viserys didn't 

628
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,600
have to live through all those 
tragedies, didn't have to live 

629
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,920
through all those stillborns and
miscarriages and didn't have to 

630
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,320
live through and Danny's case, 
didn't have to live through her 

631
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,000
father's madness. 
It's pretty interesting. 

632
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,640
There's significant differences 
in the upbringing of all three 

633
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,200
of those siblings of Rael's 
children, like Rhaegar's 

634
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,640
upbringing compared to Viserys's
upbringing, compared to Danny's 

635
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,800
upbringing. 
All three super different from 

636
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,680
each other, unprecedented 
political and supernatural 

637
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,560
conditions, how much exposure 
they had to Ares was all very 

638
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,880
different and lots of other 
things you could name really. 

639
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,960
But just in terms of their 
family life, massive 

640
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,600
differences. 
Two major facets of Rhaegar's 

641
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,840
life we really have to consider 
for Rae, Ella herself, which, 

642
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,560
for example, what did she think 
of her son's interest in 

643
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,160
prophecy? 
We brought that up earlier when 

644
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,160
he was born and in in Summer 
Hall, and then he started to 

645
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,680
start to take an interest in 
that and the ghost that was high

646
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,400
hard and he play, he would play 
his harp in the ruins of Summer 

647
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Hall. 
As he got older, his interest in

648
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,480
prophecy would have grown and 
that would have increased 

649
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Raela's chance of being 
interested or her involvement in

650
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,440
it potentially as he learned 
more. 

651
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,880
Well, he wasn't going to talk to
his father about it. 

652
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,280
I don't think so. 
I mean, I kind of doubt he's 

653
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,280
talking to Aries about these 
things. 

654
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
We know he's sending letters to 
Maester Eamonn, but it's 

655
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,239
entirely possible he spoke to 
his mother about it a little bit

656
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,639
or or a lot. 
She might have been very 

657
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,280
supportive, she might have been 
very interested, but she might 

658
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,239
have just had her mind shut to a
lot of it. 

659
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,120
She was heavily traumatized. 
If she she had her ears closed, 

660
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,560
eyes and ears closed to what 
Aries was doing and her shutdown

661
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,480
may have been more total. 
It may have been just a complete

662
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,920
shutdown just focused on Viserys
and that's it. 

663
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,040
She just keep her son safe, not 
worried about much else. 

664
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,800
The second question is whether 
or not she was included or 

665
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:58,680
involved in any of Rhaegar's 
dealings with replacing his 

666
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,560
father. 
Plenty of evidence that Rhaegar 

667
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080
was thinking of replacing his 
father, of forcing his father to

668
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,840
abdicate, and he didn't get 
around. 

669
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,920
Do it soon enough. 
Maybe, but Raela might have been

670
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,520
involved. 
She might have been all for it. 

671
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,000
She might have been against it. 
I kind of doubt that given what 

672
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,120
a king Arias was. 
But maybe she just was had that 

673
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,160
strong a sense of duty. 
Maybe she just thought tearing 

674
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,280
the family apart like that was 
too even more risky. 

675
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,960
Normally you'd need a lot of 
evidence to suggest a queen 

676
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,560
would go against her own 
husband, the king, and in this 

677
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,440
case, her brother also. 
But I think we've made the case 

678
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,520
pretty clear here that this is 
not one of those situations 

679
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,040
where you think, oh, she's going
to be loyal to her husband, But 

680
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,560
even with the abuse, she might 
because that's a realistic 

681
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,640
thing. 
I would believe she favors 

682
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,440
Rhaegar over Aries, if I had to 
guess. 

683
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,520
Well, hey, I can guess. 
I don't have to, but I'm going 

684
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,480
to. 
I would guess she favors Rhaegar

685
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,800
over Aries. 
And and that may extend to his 

686
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,040
his delving into the 
supernatural, but but not 

687
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,840
necessarily. 
I mean, she's her mother. 

688
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,880
That's his, that's that's a 
mother, right? 

689
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,520
Like many mothers would choose 
their son over their husband, 

690
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,600
even when their husband is a 
decent or good person. 

691
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,880
And Aries was a terrible 
husband, a horrible husband. 

692
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,160
And to be fair as well, Aries 
suspected her. 

693
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,720
She, he suspected Rhaegar, he 
suspected a lot of people. 

694
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,960
And she was included in that. 
I mean his paranoia extended to 

695
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,280
everyone except the Kingsguard, 
which is a peculiarity that we 

696
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,360
delve into in our Summer Hall 
series that I think relates to 

697
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,000
perhaps the the Kingsguard being
the reason that Aries survived 

698
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,320
Summer Hall that that works for 
me as a theory. 

699
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,160
Now Varys as well could be a 
source on a lot of this. 

700
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,920
He was around after Duskindale 
and and would have been a 

701
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,800
witness to some of this. 
He would have listening through 

702
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,880
the walls, his whispers, would 
have heard some things. 

703
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,320
Problem is with Varys as in all 
things, can we trust what he 

704
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,400
says? 
Well, we'll have to see when the

705
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,120
time comes if he tells us things
about this. 

706
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,320
We'll have to judge what he says
based on context, circumstance 

707
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:56,920
and other clues. 
Now, Aries didn't even go to the

708
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,360
Sept when his son got married. 
Rhaegar that is of course, and 

709
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,840
didn't even allow Viserys to go.
He's like no, I'm not going. 

710
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,360
Viserys isn't going either. 
But I think, but apparently Rae 

711
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,400
Ella was allowed to go. 
There's nothing. 

712
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,320
We're not told that she was 
prevented from going. 

713
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,120
We're told that Viserys was 
prevented from going. 

714
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,280
So we can assume Rae Ella would 
attend her son's wedding. 

715
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,200
You know, unless Arie stopped 
her and there's nothing that 

716
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,120
says that she did. 
So that would have been one of 

717
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,920
the high points of her life 
then, seeing her son get married

718
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,640
because she would not see any of
her other kids get married or 

719
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,040
have children, which Rhaegar 
would do both. 

720
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,480
War of the Usurper. 
Aries finally left the Red Keep 

721
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,880
to attend the tournament at 
Harrenhal, which was perhaps the

722
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,160
first time in years that Rayella
herself had any respite from 

723
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,240
him. 
Right. 

724
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:53,600
Like they were stuck in the Red 
Keep together and who knows what

725
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,240
their day-to-day life was like. 
Obviously he would abuse her 

726
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,080
when he burned somebody, but we 
don't know how often that was. 

727
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,520
Maybe there were weeks at a time
where he just ignored her. 

728
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,680
I mean, he's a madman. 
His fingernails were longer than

729
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,520
his forearms and his hair was 
like, guys, it's crazy. 

730
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,840
Who knows what he was doing, but
it still would be maybe a relief

731
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,400
to her to know that he was miles
away for a few weeks or 

732
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,000
something. 
And we'd still love to know by 

733
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,560
this point. 
This is much later and things 

734
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,720
would have come to a head 
because at the tournament, 

735
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,520
Rhaegar's supernatural delvings 
reached a new milestone right 

736
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,960
after the tournament. 
He tells Elia that his son is 

737
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,320
the Prince that was Promised and
Danny has that dream where we 

738
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,920
see this now. 
He was wrong about that, as it 

739
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,840
turns out, just like he was 
wrong about himself being the 

740
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,760
Prince that was promised. 
Do we? 

741
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,560
Did Ray all hear about this? 
He also tell tell his mother 

742
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,800
about any of this? 
It's quite possible. 

743
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,160
The conditions for the war, of 
course, were laid during the 

744
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,760
tournament as well. 
Leona and Rhaegar happened, 

745
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,240
right? 
And then of course, Rhaegar went

746
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:57,280
back to King's Landing and then 
left again to meet with her. 

747
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,280
Now, if he didn't discuss the 
prophecy with his mother or any 

748
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,920
of the supernatural stuff, did 
he at least discuss Leona, this 

749
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,640
girl that he maybe fell for? 
And what did she have to say 

750
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,520
about that? 
If so, was she encouraging? 

751
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,040
Was she worried that it would 
what their father would say or 

752
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,960
what his father would say, what 
her husband would say? 

753
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,400
Well, he should have been 'cause
that was a problem. 

754
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,240
But who knows, Rael? 
On the other hand, you might be 

755
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,440
unhappy that he cheated on Elia.
I mean, Elia's grandmother was 

756
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,320
her lady in waiting, the 
Princess of Dorn. 

757
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,240
And being a woman of duty, she 
might not look too kindly on 

758
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,320
relationships out of wedlock, 
right? 

759
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,000
On the other hand, maybe she was
convinced of how important it 

760
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,040
was. 
Maybe she supported her son 

761
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:41,080
because bigger things were in 
play and she had been forced to 

762
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:46,560
tolerate worse from Aries. 
Aries had mistresses, not that 

763
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,680
that means she accepted it. 
You mean mother, not 

764
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,120
Grandmother, Elia's mother. 
Oh yeah, you're right. 

765
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,720
Elia's mother, not not 
grandmother. 

766
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:53,760
Good catch. 
Good correction. 

767
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,040
You're totally right. 
Not grandmother. 

768
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,960
So either. 
Either way, a point stands 

769
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,160
though with that correction that
that she would have had a 

770
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,200
relationship with that woman and
it might have affected how she 

771
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,160
saw this. 
A closer relationship could be 

772
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,320
more like Elia was more like a a
a daughter to her than anything.

773
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,680
That's true, which is why I I 
wonder about. 

774
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,480
Maybe she would have looked 
unkindly on cheating on her or 

775
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,280
but maybe, you know, she was 
convinced, like Rhaegar was, 

776
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,680
that Elia can't have another 
child and they needed to have 

777
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,600
more children. 
And maybe she was sympathetic to

778
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,840
the notion of creating more 
Targaryens, right, Because that 

779
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,640
was a duty put on her as well. 
I was like, OK, well, we haven't

780
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,720
been successful in creating more
Targaryens. 

781
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,160
And now you are married to a 
woman that is not capable of 

782
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,520
bearing lots of children. 
So yeah, it it's a again, we 

783
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,160
have to cast a wide net here 
without knowing what Rayla was 

784
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,280
was like. 
Now, Bereson was at the 

785
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,280
tournament, of course, he 
famously lost to Rhaegar. 

786
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,720
And here we get a reverse 
situation with him at Dusk and 

787
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,560
Dale. 
He wondered how things would 

788
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,520
have been if he had failed this 
time. 

789
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,560
He wonders how it would have 
been if he had succeeded, 

790
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,960
because if he had beaten 
Rhaegar, then he would have 

791
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,280
given the queen of love and 
beauty Laurel to well, a Chara 

792
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,800
Dane is what he says he would 
have done. 

793
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
So we even know who his choice 
would have been. 

794
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,760
But instead it was Rhaegar and 
Liana. 

795
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,200
So this is like when a victory 
is a loss and when a loss is a 

796
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,680
victory. 
So Barristan's like what is 

797
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,720
winning? 
Actually? 

798
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,640
He's must be very confused. 
Like I win here and it's 

799
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,040
terrible. 
I lose here and that's terrible.

800
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,440
Like, I don't life is confusing,
man. 

801
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,840
Meanwhile, of course, Jamie 
showed up for the tournament, 

802
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,680
was given his white cloak and 
then sent back to the Red Keep, 

803
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,360
not allowed to participate. 
So that's him guarding Ray Ella 

804
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,440
and Prince Viserys, something 
that he has a few takes on more 

805
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,640
about Ray Ella than Viserys. 
Jamie doesn't really comment on 

806
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,560
Viserys very much. 
He was just a little boy. 

807
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,960
Wouldn't it be a whole lot to 
say? 

808
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,920
But I, you know, I am curious 
what Jamie thinks of Viserys at 

809
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,840
idly, you know, not a big plot 
point, but it comes up here. 

810
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,920
We we always like to speculate 
on such things. 

811
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,040
We also speculate on Ares 
continuing to trust the 

812
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,000
Kingsguard again because of 
their heroism. 

813
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,240
And that would be why they he 
continues to have this weird 

814
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,240
sense that the white cloak puts 
them on his side, even Jamie, 

815
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,440
like that's the son of the man 
that you're paranoid about. 

816
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,120
And all of a sudden, this white 
cloak makes him. 

817
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,440
Yeah, Well, that's madness for 
you. 

818
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,480
Raela was probably not in the 
throne room, you know, a year 

819
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,760
later or whenever it was. 
Or several months later. 

820
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,440
Yeah, it wouldn't have been a 
full year, just a few months 

821
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:24,600
later when Rickard and Brandon 
were burned and strangled in the

822
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,240
throne room. 
But she would have suffered soon

823
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,080
after because we know what 
happens when someone is given to

824
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,280
the flames. 
Aries would have gone to his bed

825
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:37,040
chamber and Raela would suffer 
for it, so she was aware of it 

826
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,960
in that sense for sure and may 
have seen it coming like all the

827
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,920
other times, Like oh boy, he's 
burning someone again. 

828
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Hell, the war broke out 
relatively soon afterwards. 

829
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,920
Of course after this, after the 
burning of of Rick Hart and the 

830
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,600
strangler Brandon, that things 
escalated quickly. 

831
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,840
The rebels were far more 
successful than many expected 

832
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,760
though, and because of that 
prejudice, because of they were 

833
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,760
slow to take the rebels 
seriously. 

834
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,760
Aries had a council of yes men, 
so because of this they got 

835
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,520
behind right the the rebels 
gained even more steam and that 

836
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,760
proved fatal. 
Maybe they would have lost 

837
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,280
anyway, but if they had to do it
all over again they would 

838
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,800
definitely have acted sooner. 
So first Aries fired Lord 

839
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,600
Merriweather for his dallying, 
then he fired John Connington 

840
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,520
for his failures. 
Then he promoted Lord Carlton 

841
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,080
Chelstad, who had been master of
coin and which that I don't know

842
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,000
why he thought that would work. 
Again, madness. 

843
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,240
Not a bright man. 
He already had a council full of

844
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,720
yes men. 
So he just hires another yes 

845
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,840
man. 
Yeah, this is gone were the days

846
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,480
of relative competence under 
Tywin Lannister, Right, Tywin. 

847
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:44,440
When Tywin was Hand, he wasn't a
a good meaning ethical hand, but

848
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,080
he was competent. 
And he certainly didn't just 

849
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,880
tell Aries what he wanted to 
hear. 

850
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,040
And yeah, like, he was a lot 
better than than this group of 

851
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,120
guys, even even with all the 
complaints they have about 

852
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,640
Tywin. 
And Jamie would have been there 

853
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,920
for a lot of that. 
He would have been there to 

854
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:06,600
witness some of the yes mannery,
some of the back and forth, some

855
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,600
of the poor decision making, and
he would just have to sit there 

856
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,280
and listen and inwardly shake 
his head about how crazy and 

857
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,920
stupid this all was. 
Now in terms of when the actual 

858
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,920
battle, the Trident happened, 
Barristan was at the Trident and

859
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,360
Jamie was still at King's 
Landing, right? 

860
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Remember, he kills Aries, right?
The whole Kingslayer business. 

861
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,600
But before that, it happened 
before Jamie kills Aries. 

862
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,240
Raela and Viserys fled after 
Rhaegar's death. 

863
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,240
Aries named Viserys his heir 
over Rhaegar's baby Aegon. 

864
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:44,280
I think a lot of people didn't 
know that no one objected to 

865
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,640
this. 
I mean you got a you're naming 

866
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,560
an 8 year old the heir instead 
of a baby. 

867
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,360
So that on its surface makes a 
lot of sense. 

868
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,960
But then came the wildfire plot.
Maybe this was even the next 

869
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,800
item up for business at 
discussion. 

870
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,080
So as we said before, Raela was 
apparently blind to the wildfire

871
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,280
plot. 
She had enough going on. 

872
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,400
What would she have even done 
about it anyway? 

873
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,760
Like, she can't stop the man 
from abusing her. 

874
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,680
What's she going to stop him 
abusing other people? 

875
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,520
How's she supposed to do that? 
But Aries did discuss the 

876
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,400
wildfire plot with his counsel. 
Again. 

877
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,560
He's so crazy that he thinks 
this is a thing that people will

878
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,240
go for. 
Even even his yes men didn't, 

879
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:22,440
though at least some of them 
didn't. 

880
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,640
And and most importantly, this 
new Hand Lord Chelstead stood up

881
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,760
to Aries when it came to burning
the city. 

882
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,600
He finally found his courage, as
Jamie describes it anyway, he's 

883
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,640
like that was a weak man who was
brave in that moment and was 

884
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,920
burned alive for it. 
Wisdom Rossart the pyromancer 

885
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,240
was named Han next. 
Jamie managed to kill him too, 

886
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:51,080
but much later. 
But as expected, after burning 

887
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,640
Lord Chelstead, Eris went to 
visit Riella. 

888
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,280
Jamie remembers it and overheard
it. 

889
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,960
And it's a horrible moment for 
him, obviously way worse for 

890
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,000
Raela. 
But we're experiencing it 

891
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,680
through his perspective. 
And at the time, he says, aren't

892
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,400
we supposed to protect her? 
Like, what the hell? 

893
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,320
He says this to his fellow 
Kingsguard, Jonathorderi, who's 

894
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,320
far more experienced. 
He's been around a lot longer. 

895
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,360
And he, Jonathorderi answers 
grossly but truthfully that by 

896
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,640
law, by oath, their protection 
of her doesn't extend to him. 

897
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,120
His abuses are the only abuses 
that are acceptable, but they're

898
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,680
so awful. 
And it really starts that 

899
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,920
ticking clock on Jamie. 
It's it had already started 

900
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,760
ticking. 
But his whole like questioning 

901
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,840
oaths and what's good and and 
right moments like this really 

902
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,680
stuck with him, I think, when it
came to just thinking oaths are 

903
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,040
a bunch of crap. 
This brings us to her exit from 

904
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,200
the Red Keep for the last time. 
Quote. 

905
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,240
Jamie had only seen Raela once 
after that, the morning of the 

906
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:59,400
day she left for Dragonstone. 
The Queen had been cloaked and 

907
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,440
hooded as she climbed inside the
royal wheelhouse that would take

908
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,880
her down Aegon's High Hill to 
the waiting ship, but he heard 

909
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,480
her maids whispering after she 
was gone. 

910
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,000
They said the Queen looked as if
some beast had savaged her. 

911
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,920
Clearly, this wasn't that long 
afterwards if her wounds were 

912
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,680
still pretty fresh. 
And it makes sense that because 

913
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,680
of what happened, the news was 
was had come that Rhaegar had 

914
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,000
died. 
That was all happened in a short

915
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,240
amount of time. 
Now, remember that one sentence 

916
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:31,760
in this light and in this quote 
for later, her maids whispering 

917
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,040
after she was gone. 
Because one thing we're trying 

918
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,240
to keep track of, one thing I 
worked on with this episode is 

919
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,080
who else might be witnessing 
some of these things. 

920
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,360
We'll come back to that later. 
So this would have been the last

921
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,600
time that Rael ever had to deal 
with Aries. 

922
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,120
Now. 
Still, she couldn't feel safe. 

923
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,760
The they're losing the war. 
I mean, being separated from in 

924
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,280
a vacuum would be good, but she 
had to understand that she was 

925
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,760
being sent to Dragonstone 
because the danger posed by the 

926
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,600
war was very real. 
That they were again, that they 

927
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,200
were losing. 
She had to know that maybe she 

928
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,720
didn't allow herself to think of
that way, but probably did. 

929
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:10,360
It was a bit of an inescapable 
conclusion, and she was very 

930
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,600
sad. 
Of course, she had just lost 

931
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,720
Rhaegar. 
They went from maybe plotting to

932
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:19,360
replace Aries with Rhaegar, and 
now not only did they lose him, 

933
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,640
but they're probably going to 
lose the war. 

934
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,360
And if she believed in his 
prophecy and any of that stuff, 

935
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,320
that's a huge loss as well. 
Not just for her son, for as a 

936
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,120
mother, but for humanity. 
Perhaps, though, she still had 

937
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,800
hope in both regards. 
As usual, making educated 

938
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,080
guesses. 
Again, we have to keep this 

939
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,800
this, keep our guesses wide 
open. 

940
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,960
The range must be wide, so lots 
of options there. 

941
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,200
Also consider Barristan much 
later. 

942
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,920
This is kind of a side topic but
much, much later picture the 

943
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,200
arguments that may happen in 
front of Daenerys. 

944
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,480
Barristan is not going to be a 
fan of Tyrion giving her advice 

945
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,120
and if it comes to argument it 
comes to like you are guilty of 

946
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,880
this Tyrion. 
You did this Tyrion you did 

947
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,720
that. 
Well what will Tyrion fire back 

948
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:05,280
with? 
What did you do when Queen 

949
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Rayela, Danny's mother, was 
being raped repeatedly? 

950
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,000
What did you do? 
You stood there and did nothing 

951
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,720
right, Mr. Brave man? 
I'm not saying I agree with 

952
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,720
this, but this is a thing. 
Tyrion can say. 

953
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,560
I kind of do agree with it, but 
you know. 

954
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,080
But that's not the point, isn't 
what I think. 

955
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,080
It's Darian and Barristan going 
at it and what Danny will think 

956
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,920
if she hears these points made. 
And Tyrion is much smoother 

957
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,000
arguer than Barrison is. 
So the truth is one thing. 

958
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,720
The compelling argument will 
more likely come from Tyrion. 

959
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:35,000
This is a scene that may never 
even happen, but you can imagine

960
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,520
it. 
Now. 

961
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,720
Danny has some some thoughts on 
this as well. 

962
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,520
Not on what Aries did to Rae 
Ella, she's not really aware of 

963
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,520
that, but she is aware of some 
of the details of the flight to 

964
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Dragonstone about their escape. 
And here's the quote. 

965
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,880
The saris had been a boy of 
eight when they fled King's 

966
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,640
Landing to escape the advancing 
armies of the Usurper, but 

967
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Daenerys had been only a 
quickening in their mother's 

968
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,960
womb. 
Yet sometimes Danny would 

969
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,720
picture the way it had been. 
So often had her brother told 

970
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,320
her the stories. 
The midnight flight to 

971
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,800
Dragonstone, moonlight 
shimmering on the ship's Black 

972
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,800
Sails. 
Her brother Rhaegar, battling 

973
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,920
the Usurper in the bloody waters
of the Trident and dying for the

974
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,320
woman he loved. 
The Sack of King's Landing by 

975
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,400
the ones Viserys called the 
Usurper's dogs. 

976
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,440
The Lord's Lannister and Stark 
Princess Elia of Dorn, pleading 

977
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,320
for mercy as Rhaegar's air was 
ripped from her breast and 

978
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,720
murdered before her eyes. 
The polished skulls of the last 

979
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:45,480
Dragons staring down sightlessly
from the walls of the throne 

980
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,360
room while the Kingslayer opened
Father's throat with a golden 

981
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,880
sword. 
Note that Jamie remembers her 

982
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,680
leaving in the morning and Danny
was told it was a midnight 

983
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,000
flight. 
A little unreliable narrator in 

984
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,600
here, probably on Viserys side 
and after all he was eight. 

985
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,280
Maybe it was midnight when they 
arrived, they took ship in the 

986
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,000
day and got there at night. 
Who knows. 

987
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,320
Rhaegar dying for the woman he 
loved quote UN quote isn't 

988
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,400
particularly true either. 
I mean, he probably did love 

989
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,160
Lyanna, but he didn't die for 
her. 

990
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,080
Stark didn't really have much to
do with the sack either, and 

991
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Jamie's sword wasn't golden. 
So there's a lot of little 

992
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,040
details here that aren't quite 
accurate. 

993
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,840
I'm not sure he he cut her. 
That Jamie cut Aries's throat 

994
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,520
either doesn't really matter, 
but the point is that the 

995
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,240
unreliable narrator is probably 
Viserys. 

996
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,240
Jamie was more of a true witness
here as to some of these things,

997
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,440
but it doesn't matter. 
The the rest is pretty accurate 

998
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,720
as far as what Danny remembers, 
but it's very lacking in 

999
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,840
context, not just from the 
usurper side of things. 

1000
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,440
Obviously they were treated very
poorly by Aries. 

1001
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,920
Their side of the story contains
a lot of justice. 

1002
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,720
Not 100%, but Danny doesn't know
all that stuff. 

1003
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,080
And she also doesn't know very 
much about the personalities of 

1004
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,800
her mother and her brother, who 
again may have been actively 

1005
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,880
plotting to replace their her 
father. 

1006
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,160
So for all she knows, what 
happened to Aries was a great 

1007
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,880
injustice, but she might find 
out that her own family was 

1008
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,640
conspiring against her father 
and that might change her mind 

1009
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,360
quite a bit. 
It wasn't just Robert and 

1010
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,360
company that were trying to take
Aries out her, her own family 

1011
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,560
was considering it, if not 
planning on it actively so, and 

1012
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,680
for good reason. 
So she has a lot of romanticized

1013
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,680
notions here. 
And to be fair, they came from 

1014
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,040
Viserys, who experienced all 
this as a child, so it makes 

1015
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,760
sense. 
So it turns out if we think 

1016
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,560
about that, that awful quote and
think about Jamie in that 

1017
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,080
moment, he probably overheard 
Danny's conception, that moment 

1018
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,440
where he's complaining to 
Jonathan Derry about Aries 

1019
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,000
abusing Rayella. 
That was probably when she was 

1020
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,040
conceived. 
It's an uncomfortable detail 

1021
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:45,560
that doesn't exactly add shine 
to her legend, right? 

1022
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,040
She's she's like, yeah, I'm 
Stormborn, but yeah, that other 

1023
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,760
stuff the the, the night of your
conception. 

1024
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,400
Storm born, but like rape, 
conceived, right? 

1025
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, That's that's not 

1026
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,880
pleasant. 
There's nothing wrong with it in

1027
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,240
terms of like, it doesn't make 
you a bad person, like, but it 

1028
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,000
isn't something you go and tell 
people as to make you sound 

1029
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:06,720
great. 
Right. 

1030
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,160
And Danny is big on titles. 
It's an important part of her 

1031
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,440
presenting herself. 
So if bastards are tainted by 

1032
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,200
Westerosi society because 
they're conceived via dishonesty

1033
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,720
and lust and outside of 
marriage, you know this one was 

1034
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:23,920
at least marriage. 
But what does that say about how

1035
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,120
Danny was conceived of 
dishonesty and lust as well? 

1036
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,240
This is abuse and violence and 
celebrating the burning of a 

1037
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,760
human. 
I mean, this is this is worse by

1038
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,760
a lot. 
I don't think it would keep 

1039
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,120
Danny from thinking of herself 
as a child of destiny. 

1040
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,760
After all, she births Dragons. 
That's not going anywhere, but 

1041
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,000
it would take maybe a little of 
the righteousness out of her 

1042
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,040
'cause to know I just, my family
deserves the Iron Throne. 

1043
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,400
If she were to find out how bad 
her father was, like, well, OK, 

1044
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,440
maybe we did deserve those. 
Actually, the rebellion actually

1045
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,680
had a lot of justice behind it. 
The the rebels had some good 

1046
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:02,080
reasons, actually. 
So, yeah, we know why Viserys 

1047
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,080
was sent to Dragonstone. 
It makes sense he was the new 

1048
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,040
heir, right? 
But why not send Aegon and 

1049
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,880
Rainis as well, right? 
That just because they weren't 

1050
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,360
the heirs, they would be next. 
They would be second and third 

1051
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,480
in line. 
They were the only other 

1052
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,120
Targaryens other than the 
adults. 

1053
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,520
Maybe they didn't want to put 
all their eggs in one basket, 

1054
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,920
but leaving them in King's 
Landing seems foolish. 

1055
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,520
Send them somewhere else. 
Send them to, I don't know, the 

1056
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Celtigars or the Dorn or 
something. 

1057
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,040
Or overseas, but again, Aries in
charge. 

1058
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,800
Bad decisions make sense from 
him. 

1059
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,080
If he was making lots of smart 
moves, he'd be like, isn't this 

1060
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,680
the insane guy? 
Why is he making such clever 

1061
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,840
moves? 
And why wasn't he making these 

1062
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,840
clever moves before? 
No, so now bad moves by a bad 

1063
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,520
thinker. 
I wonder what Raela thought when

1064
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,760
she realized she was pregnant 
because she didn't know when she

1065
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,120
left for Dragonstone. 
The conception would have been, 

1066
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,920
you know, a matter of hours or 
maybe hours away, so she 

1067
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,720
wouldn't have known for a few 
weeks at least. 

1068
00:54:57,240 --> 00:55:00,880
I don't think she would have 
been eager to inform Aries or 

1069
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,560
anyone outside of the castle 
really. 

1070
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,800
She couldn't keep it from the 
people in the castle. 

1071
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,720
It would be showing, but she 
would know her unborn child was 

1072
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,320
in danger. 
But then word arrived at the SAC

1073
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,640
of King's Landing, the deaths of
not just Rhaegar's children, but

1074
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,280
Elia, which I suspect Raela 
would guess she could divine 

1075
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,320
that that was Tywin Lannister 
doing that. 

1076
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,400
And she would also understand 
that Eris's death was also, 

1077
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,520
well, she would understand a lot
of that. 

1078
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,720
She would understand why, and it
would increase her fears on top 

1079
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:38,280
of everything, understanding it 
perhaps is secondary, tertiary 

1080
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,440
to the fear of what would be 
next. 

1081
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,480
And again, mixed feelings. 
Her husband's death, her 

1082
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,920
brother's death. 
Of course, she had grown to 

1083
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:55,320
loathe him, if not just despise 
his presence, but we still have 

1084
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,040
to think back to the beginning 
when we talked about how he 

1085
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,160
would have been the only person 
that understood a lot of the 

1086
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,840
things she had gone through. 
Of course not counting the 

1087
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,280
things that he inflicted on her.
But again, when they were 

1088
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,120
younger, the stuff about their 
father and about Aegon the 5th 

1089
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,760
and Summerhall and all that 
early stuff in life that they 

1090
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,800
would have shared, most likely 
that no one else could have 

1091
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,480
shared it with them. 
Again, they weren't necessarily 

1092
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,280
loving, but Aries wasn't mad 
back then, so the death of of 

1093
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,560
Arias would have been a strange 
combination of relief and fear. 

1094
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,440
And I don't even know, just 
again, it's super hard to put 

1095
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,560
yourself in the shoes of a 
person like this, especially 

1096
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,040
without knowing what kind of 
person they were fully. 

1097
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,320
And there wouldn't have been 
much time for her to get swept 

1098
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,800
up in that. 
The past, the fear, everything, 

1099
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,960
things were happening. 
She doesn't have time to linger 

1100
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,720
on any of that. 
Their lives are in danger. 

1101
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,840
Despite all that, she took 
charge. 

1102
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:57,840
Viserys had been named the heir,
and so now he was crowned right 

1103
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,240
rail crowned Viserys just as 
Robert was being crowned in 

1104
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,120
King's Landing. 
Viserys likely remembers this. 

1105
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,040
This is part of why he considers
himself king. 

1106
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,760
He's Viserys the Third 'cause 
he's already been crowned it, it

1107
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,280
likely added a little bit of 
that petulance and intensity to 

1108
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,000
his obsession with getting the 
throne back. 

1109
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,440
And Danny doesn't experience 
that directly. 

1110
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,040
She experiences it through 
Viserys memory, which is 

1111
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,240
filtered through this very lens 
of obsession and and trauma and 

1112
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,000
and all that. 
So yeah, a lot of a lot of it's 

1113
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,680
informed by that, which is not 
the most accurate retelling 

1114
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,680
Viserys. 
That is the new Baratheon regime

1115
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,960
planned to take on Dragonstone, 
but they didn't have the ships 

1116
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,600
for it so that there was a 
delay. 

1117
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,480
They can't take Dragonstone 
until they have new ships. 

1118
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,560
Dragonstone is, as Damon says 
during the Dance of the Dragons,

1119
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,080
the Dragonstone is a great 
defensive spot, but it's not a 

1120
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,200
great instrument of conquest. 
So they, they were able to 

1121
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,680
hunker down for a while, knowing
that the these ships wouldn't be

1122
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,000
ready for a bit. 
Takes a while to build ships, 

1123
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,360
but they, they knew their time 
was limited. 

1124
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,240
Maybe there were messages 
exchanging back and forth, you 

1125
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,840
know, Ravens. 
But why would they surrender? 

1126
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,920
They saw what happened to Elia 
and her children. 

1127
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,280
They saw what happened to Ares. 
Why would they expect to be 

1128
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,680
treated well upon surrendering? 
So it's like, no, we can't do 

1129
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,080
that. 
We have to flee, you know, and, 

1130
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,440
and what else could they do? 
You know, Rael had a few men, an

1131
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,280
8 year old son and a baby on the
way. 

1132
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,280
She's pregnant. 
I mean, no Kingsguard. 

1133
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,760
Did she know anything about 
Liana? 

1134
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,480
Did she know that that Rhaegar 
had spent that time with her? 

1135
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,440
That that Rhaegar had been off 
in the Tower of Joy with her? 

1136
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,040
What did she know about that? 
Did she, would she have 

1137
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,120
suspected that there might have 
been another child out there? 

1138
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,400
Interesting. 
Not that you can do anything 

1139
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,520
about it, but she may have 
wondered, as we do, and if she 

1140
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,160
understood that Rhaegar's 
connection to Liana was related 

1141
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,800
to the Song of Ice and Fire, as 
we discussed earlier, well, that

1142
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,600
may have bolstered her 
determination even more. 

1143
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,040
She's like, I got to hold on. 
My sense of duty is really 

1144
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,440
kicking into high gear here, 
despite all my trauma. 

1145
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,080
Because humanity, it might be 
resting on all this. 

1146
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,080
Something much larger than 
herself, right? 

1147
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,840
She's filled with trauma and 
sadness. 

1148
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,000
But the world needed her, and 
her child would need her. 

1149
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,880
Both her children, her unborn 
child, and young Prince Viceris.

1150
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,760
The months passed, Danny's birth
got closer and so did the 

1151
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,480
completion of Stannis's fleet 
and so did the the paranoia, the

1152
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:21,840
fear, and the what would happen 
next? 

1153
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,520
Well, what happens next for us? 
I've been trying Magic Mind 

1154
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,320
Sleep Elixir. 
We talked about it last week as 

1155
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,880
a new thing, and we've actually 
gotten our package and gotten to

1156
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,240
try it this week. 
I've tried it three Times Now. 

1157
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,120
I'm a person that when I was 
younger I had trouble falling 

1158
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,040
asleep. 
I don't have that trouble 

1159
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,080
anymore. 
I don't have trouble falling 

1160
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,560
asleep. 
I have trouble staying asleep. 

1161
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,920
I think a lot of people can 
probably sympathize with that or

1162
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,680
have the exact same problem, so 
that's what I'm interested in 

1163
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,960
this for. 
I'm not interested in help 

1164
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,960
falling asleep. 
I don't need that. 

1165
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,520
I need help staying asleep. 
I'm the. 

1166
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,240
Inverse. 
Ashea is the inverse. 

1167
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,520
So we are, but we're kind of a 
micro test here where, you know,

1168
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,040
it's just two people where 
everyone's experience is 

1169
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,920
different With any sort of 
elixir, which is this is called 

1170
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,960
or any sort of any sort of 
chemicals of any kind, anything 

1171
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,000
you drink, anything you put in 
your body, whether it's water, 

1172
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,840
water is a chemical. 
Impacts you differently. 

1173
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,800
You know, things like water, 
there's not a big, wide range of

1174
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,680
outcomes. 
But something like this, yeah. 

1175
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,120
Ashea has a different use for 
it. 

1176
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,760
I have a different use for it. 
But we're going to continue to 

1177
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,280
report on how it works for us. 
Ashea, how's it been for you? 

1178
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,800
I think I've fallen asleep 
really quickly every night I've 

1179
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,920
taken it. 
It's been under a week of taking

1180
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:31,520
it, but I've also just been 
working hard and I to me, jury's

1181
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,440
still out. 
I like the taste, I like mixing 

1182
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,400
it with some other stuff. 
It's kind of a lemon drink. 

1183
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,160
And so far, thumbs up. 
But I am eager to report back 

1184
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,360
after a few weeks. 
I'm the same way. 

1185
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,480
This is just as I've, like I 
said, I have three times. 

1186
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,160
It's good. 
My sleep was very good last 

1187
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,320
week. 
I can't say for sure Magic Mind 

1188
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,560
is the main reason why, but it's
certainly a good, good start, 

1189
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,560
very positive start. 
I feel pretty confident about 

1190
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,000
it, very optimistic and I'm 
going to keep going with it and 

1191
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,920
and continue to report to you 
all how it is. 

1192
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,120
If you want to try it out, you 
can get both their mental 

1193
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,640
performance shot and the sleep 
elixir in a bundle for 45% off. 

1194
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,720
So nearly half off. 
That's pretty great. 

1195
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:18,160
New nice new year discount 
magicmind.com/VIP How Jan VIP 

1196
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,840
How Jan? 
That's VIP history of Westeros, 

1197
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,080
Jan, like January. 
There's a lot of great 

1198
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,040
ingredients in it. 
Doesn't have melatonin. 

1199
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,560
I'm not a big fan of melatonin. 
I like the lighter stuff. 

1200
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,120
I like heavy stuff during the 
day, light stuff to go to sleep.

1201
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,240
I wake up in the night a lot to 
use the bathroom. 

1202
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,960
So I'm hoping that maybe this 
cuts me down to just a couple of

1203
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,880
wake UPS instead of like 5 often
some seriously, sometimes I wake

1204
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,880
up five times a night to use the
bathroom. 

1205
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,040
Not very restful. 
I hope I can cut that down to to

1206
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,240
maybe three, maybe 2. 
We'll let you know how that 

1207
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,880
goes. 
Continue to report. 

1208
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:55,200
Once again, that's VIP Hal Jan 
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1209
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,840
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Now, Danny's birth is one of the

1210
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,240
first things we hear about her. 
It's a major part of her 

1211
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,040
identity. 
It's something that George wants

1212
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,680
us to associate with her right 
away. 

1213
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,200
Well, this is her first chapter 
quote. 

1214
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,320
She had been born on 
Dragonstone, 9 moons after their

1215
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,640
flight, while a raging summer 
storm threatened to RIP the 

1216
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,360
island fastness apart. 
They said that storm was 

1217
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,640
terrible. 
The Targaryen fleet was smashed 

1218
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,000
while it lay at anchor, and huge
stone blocks were ripped from 

1219
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,720
the parapets and sent hurtling 
into the wild waters of the 

1220
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,920
Narrow Sea. 
Her mother had died birthing 

1221
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,400
her, and for that her brother 
Viserys had never forgiven her. 

1222
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,080
A storm that smashes ships is 
not the most surprising thing 

1223
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,240
ever. 
Even ships at anchor. 

1224
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,440
But stones torn from the 
parapets? 

1225
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,080
Maybe Gargles ripped down. 
As Danny put it earlier, I think

1226
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,200
that's an exaggeration. 
The stones torn down might have 

1227
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,200
happened, but I don't know 
that's that's so hard to 

1228
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,800
believe. 
This is Dragon Stone. 

1229
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,600
Might not be like all of the 
gargoyles got ripped down, but a

1230
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,720
gargoyle did fall. 
Off that might exaggerate to 5 

1231
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,760
or 10. 
Yeah, but like I, I believe that

1232
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,640
one happened. 
It's I, I believe it, it's just 

1233
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,560
wow, 'cause it's a, this is a 
fused stone fortress. 

1234
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,640
This is, this is a really 
powerful well made castle. 

1235
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,200
And the wind is tearing things 
off like, yeah, that is really 

1236
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,800
strong. 
So that really must have been 

1237
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,200
something to live through that 
storm, to experience it even 

1238
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,880
from, you know, indoors. 
If you're outdoors, well, you're

1239
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,440
probably screwed. 
You might not have lived to tell

1240
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,360
the story. 
This is the kind of story you 

1241
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,520
tell your children and 
grandchildren and they tell 

1242
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,200
theirs. 
Jenner's like, yeah, you know, 

1243
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,160
your ancestor was in that storm,
the storm of the storm born, 

1244
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,200
right. 
Rhaegar was born at Summerhall. 

1245
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,240
He was like fire born, wildfire 
born or smoking salt born. 

1246
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,160
And again, as a child of 
prophecy, it it drove him. 

1247
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,320
He thought he was a child of 
prophecy. 

1248
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,400
Anyway, now, Danny, during the 
worst storm ever. 

1249
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,600
What a terrifying and powerful 
omen. 

1250
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,880
I wonder if the maester who 
helped deliver Danny thought 

1251
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,280
about that at all. 
Right. 

1252
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,200
We don't know. 
It wasn't Crescent. 

1253
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,600
So we we don't know who this 
maester was, but this is the 

1254
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,280
Dragonstone Maester. 
But yeah, it wasn't Crescent. 

1255
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,640
So. 
Or if anyone else, not 

1256
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,760
necessarily the maester, but 
other people are going to be 

1257
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,640
thinking, I mean, this is a 
world of superstition, right? 

1258
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,520
The storm like that is a person 
being born. 

1259
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,280
Like people are going to notice 
that and think about it and be 

1260
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,960
like, Oh my gosh, this is this 
is crazy. 

1261
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,080
So Raela didn't die during 
childbirth, but she died maybe a

1262
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,880
few days later. 
Roughly speaking, she survived 

1263
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,280
the childbirth but didn't make 
it much longer after that. 

1264
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,640
And again, as we said at the 
beginning, Raela gave her the 

1265
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,560
name Daenerys. 
George weighed in on this at one

1266
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:34,760
point. 
That's why we know it isn't in 

1267
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,560
the text. 
It's something that George said.

1268
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,040
And it's a very interesting, 
slightly off topic note. 

1269
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,240
So let's let's engage with this 
just for a SEC here. 

1270
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,640
What he said was Danny was named
by her mother, Tyrion by his 

1271
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,920
father, John by Ned. 
Notice the wording John by Ned 

1272
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,040
not by his father, Tyrion by his
father, Danny by her mother, 

1273
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:02,920
John by Ned, and in the inverse 
of that, Tyrion by his father. 

1274
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:10,440
Aries didn't name Tyrion, right?
So Tyrion Targaryen fans, that's

1275
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,440
a strike right there. 
That looks like Tyrion was named

1276
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,680
by Tywin. 
Who George is saying his father 

1277
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,440
is Tywin in this case. 
So that's, that's the 

1278
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,280
implication. 
It's possible Raela herself 

1279
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:27,240
coined the nickname Stormborn. 
We don't know who actually 1st 

1280
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,800
called her that. 
I'm sure once it started, it 

1281
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,120
continued because again, it's 
such a good name. 

1282
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,360
It sounds so cool. 
It rhymes more on more on just 

1283
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,600
how cool the name is a little 
bit. 

1284
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,920
But yeah, that's that's that's a
factor here. 

1285
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,560
And did she wonder in that 
moment, was Rayela thinking 

1286
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:44,920
about the Prince that was 
promised? 

1287
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,280
Was she thinking, oh, this omen,
just like when Rhaegar was born,

1288
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,000
this might be it. 
Or when she realized was it was 

1289
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,800
a girl, She's like, well, maybe 
not then, because I thought it 

1290
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,680
was going to be a boy. 
Is the Prince that was promised.

1291
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,720
She doesn't know that the the 
gender thing is squirrely that 

1292
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,000
it could be the Princess that 
was promised. 

1293
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,240
The the gender of that 
translation is off. 

1294
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,720
She she doesn't know that even 
Amy Strayman didn't figure that 

1295
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,400
out till later. 
So she's not going to know that.

1296
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,280
So with all that happening, did 
it SAP her will to live? 

1297
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,360
Was she dying? 
And that just fired her up even 

1298
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,800
more? 
Did she realize that, Oh my 

1299
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,800
gosh, I'm not having a boy? 
Rhaegar and Aegon are dead. 

1300
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:24,560
That's it. 
Humanity's doomed. 

1301
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,240
Or did the storm inform her that
actually your daughter is 

1302
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,680
important? 
You know, it doesn't matter the 

1303
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,920
gender of this baby. 
Look at the storm, the auspices,

1304
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,480
the hints. 
This is what you should be 

1305
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,600
paying attention to. 
And she has something to to 

1306
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,000
think about, you know, and in in
her mind, she can say, well, 

1307
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,080
Rhaegar was wrong about him self
being the Prince. 

1308
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:43,840
And then he thought it was his 
son. 

1309
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,280
And, and it looks like he was 
wrong about that. 

1310
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,120
So maybe if he was wrong a 
couple times, that gives Rael a 

1311
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,600
little wiggle room to say, well,
maybe it's this child instead. 

1312
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,800
Well, one way or another, 
whatever she believed, she did 

1313
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,640
in fact birth a child of 
enormous destiny. 

1314
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:03,960
Daenerys, of course, is the most
important Targaryen born ever. 

1315
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,080
I don't know. 
We're we're kind of rank those 

1316
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,840
things. 
But clearly she was a child of 

1317
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,720
prophecy, a child of destiny, 
however you rank them. 

1318
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,400
And it's easy to forget because 
of how much tragedy endures 

1319
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,520
during her early life that look 
at all this. 

1320
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,080
This is so tragic. 
Like Danny carries the banner of

1321
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,520
Stormborn. 
Not literally doesn't. 

1322
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,560
There's not a big flag that said
Stormborn on her, but she it's 

1323
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,320
part of her titles, her string 
of titles. 

1324
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,400
She always says that. 
People always says it, say it 

1325
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,080
for her. 
They announce her as the nearest

1326
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:35,360
Stormborn, right? 
So she uses it like that, like a

1327
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:40,240
banner, without full awareness 
of just how sad it all is. 

1328
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,480
She knew it was touch and go, 
that her family was on the run. 

1329
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,680
She knows a lot of it. 
But she doesn't know like how 

1330
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,640
people felt and how much build 
up trauma they had and how much 

1331
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,840
it took for them to get to that 
point. 

1332
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,120
And are the auspices actually 
good here? 

1333
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,120
Yes, Stormborn, the storm. 
It means Danny's important, but 

1334
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,560
that doesn't mean it's good or 
positive. 

1335
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,840
It it probably does. 
But we should consider other 

1336
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,720
options here. 
The storm damages the Targaryen 

1337
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,360
ancestral home in much of their 
fleet. 

1338
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,160
That's a sign that it's bad for 
House Targaryen. 

1339
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,960
Maybe it's violent towards the 
Targaryens. 

1340
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,160
It's not helping them. 
And maybe that's symbolic of 

1341
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,960
Danny herself in some way. 
I mean, she is kind of a storm 

1342
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,680
of her own. 
She's Stormborn and she is in 

1343
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,840
many ways the manifestation of a
storm. 

1344
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,800
So she uses the name, but the 
truth behind it has a lot of 

1345
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,200
ugliness and tragedy to it. 
And she it could have easily 

1346
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,000
gone the other way. 
She might have had horrible 

1347
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,399
associations with her own birth,
like it's the death of her 

1348
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,760
mother and her brother made her 
feel bad about it, made her 

1349
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,040
blamed her for it. 
But she didn't take that to 

1350
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,680
heart. 
She learned to use it. 

1351
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,439
She learned to be the Stormborn 
to to revel in that and to use 

1352
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,880
the power of that name, but only
after others learned to use it 

1353
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,880
first. 
Because but while she was still 

1354
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,560
a young person, when she was 
2345, well before she's capable 

1355
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,760
of speaking for herself or 
leading or anything, other 

1356
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,000
people are like Stormborn. 
We can call her that. 

1357
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:16,160
And it's so cool sounding and 
fancy and gives her more value, 

1358
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,640
which is what they're concerned 
with. 

1359
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,479
Value. 
They're trying to pump up 

1360
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,960
Daenerys's value very early in 
the story. 

1361
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,279
More on that in a minute. 
Couple of questions here. 

1362
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,960
Dornish Dame asks or says I kind
of find it interesting that both

1363
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,319
Cersei and Viserys, who blame 
their younger siblings for the 

1364
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:33,960
loss of a mother, both lost 
their mother and child bed at 

1365
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,800
the same age 8. 
Oh yeah, that's a good point. 

1366
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,520
Yeah, there's a lot of 
interesting parallels between 

1367
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,359
the Lannister family, Tyrion, 
not just Tyrion, but Cersei and 

1368
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:45,760
Jamie as well. 
And and the circumstances of of 

1369
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,359
the the Targaryens and to a 
lesser extent some of the other 

1370
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,600
families like the Starks, like 
John in in particular, who is 

1371
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,200
Stark and Targaryen. 
So I could see the overlap 

1372
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,880
there. 
Guilty undertaker, says Raela 

1373
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,280
realizing her daughter was the 
chosen one but not living long 

1374
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,200
enough to tell her is a very 
George twist. 

1375
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,520
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, she may have realized 

1376
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,640
it, but what's she going to do, 
tell the infant? 

1377
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,600
Yeah, she's lying there slowly 
dying. 

1378
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,600
She's. 
Was she going to chew to tell 

1379
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,760
Viserys who? 
Could she tell Willem Derry? 

1380
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,400
Yeah, maybe Willem Derry. 
Maybe. 

1381
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,000
Didn't live long enough to tell 
her either. 

1382
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,760
Yeah, Willem Derry didn't last 
when Derry died when Danny was. 

1383
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,560
Probably about the age Viserys 
was at this point. 

1384
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,720
So too soon to be telling a kid 
about prophecy, if he even knew.

1385
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,600
So next was the flight to Essos.
Right after her mother's death. 

1386
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,600
Things moved very quickly. 
King's Landing was sacked. 

1387
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,280
Of course that had already 
happened and and the fleet had 

1388
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:39,760
taken all that damage from the 
storm. 

1389
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:43,160
This kind of began a new chapter
of her life, her her mother's 

1390
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,360
tragic tale. 
It ended on Dragonstone, which 

1391
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,840
in story terms is like Danny's 
prologue. 

1392
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:53,040
Her entry to life is for her 
mother's exit is is like Danny's

1393
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,160
prologue here. 
So let's listen to this quote. 

1394
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,160
She did not remember Dragonstone
either. 

1395
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:04,280
They had run again just before 
the Usurper's brother set sail 

1396
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,440
with his new built fleet. 
By then, only Dragonstone 

1397
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:13,360
itself, the ancient seat of 
their house, had remained of the

1398
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,560
Seven kingdoms that had once 
been theirs. 

1399
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,080
It would not remain for long. 
The Garrison had been prepared 

1400
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:24,640
to sell them to the Usurper, but
one night Sir Willem Derry and 

1401
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:29,120
four loyal men had broken into 
the nursery and stolen them 

1402
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:33,640
both, along with her wet nurse, 
and set sail undercover of 

1403
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,640
darkness for the safety of the 
Bravosian coast. 

1404
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,360
An ironic aspect of the title 
Stormborn is that she doesn't 

1405
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,160
actually know much about it 
personally. 

1406
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,880
It's something we all, it's true
for everyone. 

1407
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,320
We're all there for our own 
birth, but none of us can 

1408
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,400
remember it. 
We're not technically we're 

1409
01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:52,600
maybe you call that a witness to
your own birth. 

1410
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,320
You're present for it but can't 
remember it. 

1411
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,760
And for most of us, there's not 
much of a story to it. 

1412
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,680
You go to the hospital, you're 
delivered and you go home, 

1413
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:02,960
right? 
That's that's how it is for most

1414
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,200
of us. 
And whatever details there 

1415
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,880
happen to be, if there's 
anything interesting are where 

1416
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,120
our relatives tell us about 
that, our mother or father or 

1417
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,080
both or who knows. 
But Danny only had Viserys to 

1418
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,880
tell her, and he was only 8 and 
not the most mentally strong 

1419
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,360
person. 
So his version of events are, as

1420
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:23,440
we said, very off, very lacking 
in context, very misremembered, 

1421
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:24,760
just lots of lots of flaws 
there. 

1422
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,720
So things were getting bad at 
Dragonstone, with the Garrison 

1423
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,440
likely to sell them out, as she 
points out in that memory. 

1424
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,480
And you can understand why the 
Targaryens were beaten. 

1425
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,440
Robert had been named king. 
Dragonstone would eventually 

1426
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:37,760
fall. 
They knew it was nothing they 

1427
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,120
could do about it. 
Why die for them? 

1428
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,600
Why die for this? 
What's the point? 

1429
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,840
Well, Willem, Derry and those 
four loyal men answered that 

1430
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,200
question for us. 
They took an oath or they stayed

1431
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,360
loyal. 
Whatever their thinking was, 

1432
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,400
they held to it. 
And so it looks like Aries at 

1433
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,960
least made one good decision, 
which was choosing Sir Willem 

1434
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,160
for this duty. 
He definitely was a ride or die,

1435
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:02,280
but he did die. 
So let's recap the order of 

1436
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,920
events. 
This is we've gotten to 

1437
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,480
Stormborn in terms of the naming
of her, acquiring the nickname 

1438
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:10,000
of the events that give her that
title, the death of Rae Ella, 

1439
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,000
the storm that raged that night.
So let's recap a little. 

1440
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,000
First we have the conception of 
Danny, probably after the 

1441
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,120
burning of Lord Chelstead. 
Well, almost certainly after the

1442
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,560
burning of Lord Chelstead. 
Then we have news of Rhaegar's 

1443
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,200
death arriving and Viserys has 
made air over Aegon. 

1444
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,840
Then Raella, Viserys, William, 
Derry are sent to Dragonstone. 

1445
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,600
Then the sack of King's Landing 
and Viserys is crowned by Raella

1446
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:33,880
nine months after sailing to 
Dragonstone. 

1447
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,560
Danny is born during the massive
storm and Raella dies shortly 

1448
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:44,360
after after naming her Daenerys.
Then not long after that Willem 

1449
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,240
Derry flees with Danny and 
Viserys and Rae Ella's crown 

1450
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,120
just before Stannis's fleet 
arrives. 

1451
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,680
So next would be the Sea Lord's 
palace where Danny develops the 

1452
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,560
memory of the red door. 
Because she's too young to 

1453
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,360
remember Dragonstone. 
This is her. 

1454
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,160
Her first memories are are at 
Bravos. 

1455
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,800
Now of course there's a lot of 
other story in there, but that's

1456
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,720
not our focus for today. 
The power of her name is 

1457
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,240
something her elders pick up on 
1st. 

1458
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:08,880
That's something I was saying 
before the break. 

1459
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:13,680
Not only does it sound cool and 
fancy, it's just it's, it's it's

1460
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,760
an elevating factor to be born 
during a massive storm, right? 

1461
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,480
People just think that's cool. 
I think that's that's bad ass. 

1462
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,040
Euron can't claim to be born 
during a storm. 

1463
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,240
So he claims that he is the 
storm, right? 

1464
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,520
Like I am the storm, like 
Danny's like get out of here 

1465
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:28,360
with that. 
I was born in a storm. 

1466
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,080
You're just taking it over. 
You can't do that. 

1467
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,200
You can't conquer the storm. 
So let's talk about what's in a 

1468
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,120
name. 
One of the reasons Danny learns 

1469
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,000
the power of being called 
Stormborn and how much gravitas 

1470
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,680
that gives her is how other 
influential people wield that 

1471
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,480
name for her to make her sound 
special when she's young. 

1472
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:47,960
I love to quote The Wire. 
I think it's been a while. 

1473
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,720
Doesn't matter if it has, I'm 
going to do it again. 

1474
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,960
The name Stormborn rings out. 
That's a phrase you hear. 

1475
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,440
Like certain names ring out like
you hear them. 

1476
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:58,960
They mean something. 
It's like a form of glory. 

1477
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,560
You could almost say if you've 
seen the Guardians of the Galaxy

1478
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:06,000
franchise, names matter. 
If you knew nothing about them, 

1479
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,600
about Guardians of the Galaxy or
House Targaryen, you would 

1480
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,840
probably follow Stormborn over 
Taserface, right? 

1481
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,240
Taserface got laughed at for his
name. 

1482
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,000
Stormborn. 
People were like Stormborn, you 

1483
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,080
say? 
That sounds awesome. 

1484
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,440
Shay and I have this joke that 
she found on Twitter a long time

1485
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:30,360
ago that's just really funny and
really shows us the situation. 

1486
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,120
It really draws this comparison 
super well. 

1487
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,280
Credit to Danny Zucker. 
Danny Zucker? 

1488
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,280
I'm constantly amazed at how 
different my twin daughters are.

1489
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,760
Lisa is so much more positive 
and confident than her sister. 

1490
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,360
Hog Face. 
Yeah, right. 

1491
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:44,760
Right. 
You get it. 

1492
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,160
Right. 
If people are calling you 

1493
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,760
Stormborn, that's awesome. 
But in A Song of Ice and Fire, 

1494
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,880
what was viscera? 
It's called Beggar King. 

1495
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:56,640
Like 1 is great and one is 
diminutive, 1 is an insult, and 

1496
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,080
1 is awesome. 
We could say I'm constantly 

1497
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,320
amazed at how different my 
children are. 

1498
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,560
Stormborn is so much more 
positive and confident than her 

1499
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,520
brother, the Beggar King. 
Like, yeah, yeah. 

1500
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,640
You get it right. 
It's just yeah. 

1501
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,240
Or the cart king, the Dothraki 
called him Sore foot king or 

1502
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,280
cart king. 
It's one is mocking and yeah, 

1503
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,080
the other is just awesome. 
So in terms of similar 

1504
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:24,120
nicknames, well, outside of A 
Song of Ice and Fire, Conan the 

1505
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,600
Barbarian was born in battle. 
He was battleborn. 

1506
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,320
He was born during a battle. 
Yeah. 

1507
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,240
And Eamon Battleborn, we have 
that parallel here in the Song 

1508
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,600
of Ice and Fire. 
That's the child of Dalla and 

1509
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,520
Mance Ryder, who is of course, 
masquerading as Sam and Gilly's 

1510
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,560
child after the baby swap, but 
still, his nickname was Eamon 

1511
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,000
Battleborn. 
All the Ironborn have that 

1512
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,480
nickname. 
They're all something born. 

1513
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:49,280
It sounds pretty cool. 
Ironborn sounds pretty cool. 

1514
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,560
The Skagosi call themselves 
Stoneborn, That's cool sounding 

1515
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,000
too. 
The Stormlanders don't call 

1516
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,600
themselves Stormborn, but I bet 
when they hear Daenerys's 

1517
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,440
nickname they they probably have
already heard it. 

1518
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:03,040
They're probably like hey damn, 
we should have said that. 

1519
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,440
Why don't we call ourselves 
that? 

1520
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:06,200
Damn, what? 
We missed an opportunity there. 

1521
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,280
There's a lot more just willing 
to be taken, right? 

1522
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:15,160
Snowborn, Sandborn. 
Caveborn, Treeborn, Waveborn. 

1523
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,880
We joked about Shipborn during 
the Nymeria series, right? 

1524
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,840
You could be born on a ship 
during that odyssey. 

1525
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,560
Sunborn. 
Most people are just hovel born 

1526
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,760
or Manger born right? 
Or I was re watching the show 

1527
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,720
Russian Doll recently where a 
character's born in the subway. 

1528
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,840
Is she train born, subway born, 
you know, something like that? 

1529
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,400
I like Train Born, though it 
does have kind of a weird 

1530
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,840
connotation. 
It's like, who's the father? 

1531
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,960
God, you're right. 
Let's not do Trainworn, perhaps.

1532
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,200
Anyway, also there's the phrase 
bastard born or base born, which

1533
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:55,760
is the same thing and that 
appears often, though it's less 

1534
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,280
of a nickname and more of a 
designation. 

1535
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,880
But bastard born is the title of
Alan Valerian Oakenfest's 

1536
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,440
biography, so names and titles 
can really stick. 

1537
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,760
And Tyrion, one of the best 
examples. 

1538
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,880
People should embrace what they 
are because the world won't let 

1539
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,360
you forget. 
He doesn't like being called 

1540
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,240
Imp, but he refuses to be 
triggered by it. 

1541
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,040
Now, it's easy to do when the 
world gives you a cool name like

1542
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,720
Stormborn. 
Danny doesn't have to be told, 

1543
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,760
hey, lean into that. 
She's like, I, I want to lean 

1544
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:25,600
in. 
This is great. 

1545
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,080
Like, people were leaning into 
it when I was eight or seven or 

1546
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,720
whatever. 
Because, yeah, when she's young,

1547
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,760
before she's even accomplished 
anything, they're already 

1548
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,040
decorating her with that name. 
Consider that she's a prize to 

1549
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:41,160
be offered to Khal Drogo. 
They want to enhance her value. 

1550
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,040
They want to exaggerate or make 
her seem as fancy and cool as 

1551
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,360
possible. 
And that means all her titles. 

1552
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,840
So here we go, Danny's first 
chapter again, a Game of Thrones

1553
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,600
quote. 
They were escorted across the 

1554
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,360
entry hall, where a mosaic of 
colored glass depicted the Doom 

1555
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,720
of Valyria. 
Oil burned in black iron 

1556
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:07,480
lanterns all along the walls 
beneath an arc of twining stone 

1557
01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:10,320
leaves. 
A eunuch saying they're coming. 

1558
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,400
The series of the House 
Targaryen, the third of his 

1559
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,720
name. 
He called in a high, sweet 

1560
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,320
voice. 
King of the Andals and the 

1561
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:24,240
Rhinar, and the First Man, Lord 
of the Seven Kingdoms and 

1562
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:28,280
Protector of the Realm. 
His sister Daenerys Stormborn, 

1563
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,440
Princess of Dragonstone. 
His honorable host Hilario 

1564
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:36,240
Mopatus, Magister of the Free 
City of Pentos, So. 

1565
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,800
Can I tell you when it said a 
eunuch saying they're coming? 

1566
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,680
I asked Aziz to to sing it for 
me. 

1567
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,360
So I'd like to hear. 
I'd like to hear it now, Aziz. 

1568
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,160
The series of the House 
Targaryen of his name. 

1569
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,080
I like the song version you did.
What was that you did? 

1570
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,200
Oh, I did a song version. 
I didn't Isaac, the series of 

1571
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,280
the House Targaryen the Third, I
love his name actually did it. 

1572
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,280
It's a different song that time,
but you could fit it to any 

1573
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,600
rhythm. 
King of the Andals and the 

1574
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,400
Royner, and the First Man Lord 
of the Seven Kingdoms. 

1575
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:09,640
Yeah, that's how you should sing
it. 

1576
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,480
Or we could do it like the fala 
la or because that's what Roy 

1577
01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:16,680
Dotris loves to do. 
It was like this saris of the 

1578
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:21,400
House Targaryen, the third of 
his name, King of the End, Dolls

1579
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,360
and the Rhinar. 
I like that. 

1580
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:24,360
Keep going, it's too fun. 
I like. 

1581
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,040
That one or are you? 
What was the metal voice for me?

1582
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:31,560
Oh yeah, the saris of the House 
Targaryen, Third of his name. 

1583
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,000
Gotta have the heavy drums going
right for that one. 

1584
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,320
The End Dolls and the Ruinar and
the 1st Man. 

1585
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,560
Perfect, perfect. 
That's right. 

1586
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,440
Stormborn isn't just meant to be
said, it's meant to be sang in a

1587
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:47,600
variety of ways, whether a high,
sweet voice or a harsh, intense 

1588
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,920
1. 
So yeah, the moment we meet her,

1589
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,160
she already has that nickname. 
It's already a part of who she 

1590
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,320
is, even though at this point 
she's still kind of meek. 

1591
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,080
It's early A Game of Thrones 
Danny, not yet possessed of 

1592
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,680
world sweeping thoughts and the 
power to pursue them. 

1593
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,760
It doesn't take her very long to
get there. 

1594
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,440
But this is Chapter 1. 
So yeah, at this point, she's a 

1595
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:07,320
bargaining chip. 
They're trying to buy the 

1596
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:08,840
Dothraki. 
So yeah, they want to make her 

1597
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,320
sound as fancy as possible, 
embellish that name, add those 

1598
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:15,320
titles, and she catches that she
understands that she's like, 

1599
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,240
they, they were propping me up 
by giving me big titles and all 

1600
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,840
the little accoutrement in my 
name they could do. 

1601
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,960
I'm going to do that same thing.
So there's all this, there's the

1602
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,920
Stormborn, there's the Targaryen
mystique. 

1603
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,040
And we pointed out that Ray 
Ella's crown was something that 

1604
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,520
they ran off with, but they had 
to sell it to survive. 

1605
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,080
But if it hadn't been sold, 
Danny would have been wearing it

1606
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,360
right in this moment. 
I bet as just to make her seem 

1607
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,840
even fancier, to wear the crown 
of her mother, the Targaryen 

1608
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:42,560
queen. 
That would be. 

1609
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,240
Yeah. 
That that'll fancify her an 

1610
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:49,120
extra point or two. 
So, yeah, she's not really seen 

1611
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,400
as a person here. 
She is an object of value. 

1612
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,480
Drogo kind of sees her like a 
high end horse and the Illyrio 

1613
01:21:57,480 --> 01:22:01,240
and sees her as a, as a, you 
know, part of his overarching 

1614
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,760
plan with Varis and a Sarah 
Caesar is a bargaining chip to 

1615
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,280
get an army. 
He obviously says horrible 

1616
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:07,520
things to her about what he's 
willing to do. 

1617
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,840
He's like, I would let them all,
you know, sleep with you to have

1618
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,080
my Kingdom back. 
It's terrible. 

1619
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,800
But yeah, it just goes to show 
what we're saying here that they

1620
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,600
aren't seeing her as a person. 
They're seeing her as, as a, as 

1621
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,760
an object, a valuable object, an
exotic valuable object. 

1622
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,480
And this is a a great inversion 
of that idea by George. 

1623
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,760
They actually undersold it. 
She's way more valuable than 

1624
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:33,280
they than they realized and way 
more powerful and intelligent on

1625
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:34,760
top of that. 
That's the part that is more 

1626
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,840
straightforward, like they have 
no idea what she's capable of. 

1627
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,440
But no, she's far more than even
know what she knew. 

1628
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:42,200
She was capable of doing things 
that no one could have 

1629
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,360
predicted, like hatching 
Dragons, right? 

1630
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:49,040
No one saw that coming. 
But Danny's supreme confidence, 

1631
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:53,440
as we'll see in a moment here, 
came before the birth of the 

1632
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:55,120
Dragons. 
Obviously, that's the thing that

1633
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,920
you, you've proven to the world 
and to yourself that you are a 

1634
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,840
child of destiny. 
You perform a gosh darn miracle 

1635
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,720
and act of faith enabled that 
miracle, and she was very 

1636
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,400
confident about doing it though,
as we'll see. 

1637
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:08,920
Like I said, we're going to 
quote that and you'll see. 

1638
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,880
So let's discuss how Stormborn 
is a part of Daenerys, how the 

1639
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:17,240
event itself impacts her psyche,
how it informs her confidence 

1640
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,760
and herself as that person of 
destiny and how it is spread 

1641
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:26,160
before herself. 
A fulfilling prophecy is what 

1642
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,400
this part's called. 
Given how often it's flaunted by

1643
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,960
others and how amazing it 
sounds, it's no surprise Danny 

1644
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,840
takes strength from her birth 
circumstances. 

1645
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:37,400
She thinks herself as Stormborn 
as part of psyching herself up 

1646
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,440
in front of the pyre several 
times a day. 

1647
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:41,360
We've quoted Danny's first 
chapter. 

1648
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,480
It's been a lot of that 
introduction stuff has been 

1649
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:45,600
really relevant for us here. 
Right now. 

1650
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,240
We're going to quote her last A 
Game of Thrones chapter right 

1651
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,160
here. 
The fire is mine. 

1652
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:53,760
I am Daenerys Stormborn, 
Daughter of Dragons, Bride of 

1653
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,680
Dragons, Mother of Dragons. 
Don't you see? 

1654
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,880
Don't you see? 
With a belch of flame and smoke 

1655
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:05,600
that reached 30 feet into the 
sky, the pyre collapsed and came

1656
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:10,120
down around her. 
Unafraid, Danny stepped forward 

1657
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,560
into the firestorm, calling to 
her children. 

1658
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,680
Clever of George to use the word
firestorm there. 

1659
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,720
And that is the only time the 
word firestorm appears in A Song

1660
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,560
of Ice and Fire. 
It does appear three other times

1661
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,520
in histories, but not in a song 
by fire proper. 

1662
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,840
One of those times it's Vergar 
creating a firestorm. 

1663
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:35,840
Another one is the Dragon's 
crushing Lorath with a variety 

1664
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,960
of Dragons all at once. 
So it's a firestorm of many 

1665
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:39,360
Dragons. 
So yeah, it's a very powerful 

1666
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,960
word. 
And George was careful to use 

1667
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,080
Daenerys Stormborn with 
firestorm here, born in a storm,

1668
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,440
so she can enter the firestorm, 
Right. 

1669
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:52,200
So it's arguably, in my opinion,
the most climactic moment of the

1670
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:53,760
first book. 
It's the end of the book. 

1671
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,960
It's an amazing thing that you 
don't necessarily see coming or 

1672
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,760
understand how it's going to 
happen until you see it. 

1673
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:03,000
She is filled with this 
undeniable sense of destiny to 

1674
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,720
bolster herself, to do something
that seems otherwise utterly 

1675
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,640
absurd. 
Yeah, Danny, just jump into the 

1676
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,600
fire. 
Surely that's a good idea. 

1677
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,720
She lists off her series of 
titles. 

1678
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,240
It's a burgeoning series of 
titles. 

1679
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:15,520
She doesn't have most of them 
yet. 

1680
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,880
She isn't yet Mother of Dragon. 
She's about to be other. 

1681
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,880
She actually does say Mother of 
Dragons in this quote. 

1682
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:22,560
No one else has called her that 
yet. 

1683
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,440
She's already feeling it. 
It's already in her. 

1684
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:27,800
The supernatural, the prophecy, 
whatever's driving it, it's 

1685
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,520
there. 
And like I said, she doesn't 

1686
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,080
have the noble and royal titles 
yet. 

1687
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,440
She doesn't have any castles 
yet. 

1688
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:35,160
She isn't the Breaker of Chains 
yet. 

1689
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,360
She isn't Queen of Marine yet. 
She doesn't even mention the 

1690
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:38,960
Iron Throne. 
She does start calling herself 

1691
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,760
Queen of the End Alls, but not 
at this point. 

1692
01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:44,760
Stormborn is is the first of 
these many titles she has. 

1693
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,600
It's the first one and it's 
important. 

1694
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,720
It's basically her last name. 
She's she typically goes by 

1695
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,120
Daenerys Stormborn of House 
Targaryen, not Daenerys 

1696
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,760
Targaryen. 
The fandom calls her Daenerys 

1697
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,960
Targaryen a lot, but in the 
books, she's called Stormborn or

1698
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,000
Daenerys Stormborn about as 
often, if not more. 

1699
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:08,320
And yeah, she trusts in these 
indicators, the signs the 

1700
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:12,560
portents say she's special 
following and believing that 

1701
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,360
those leaps of faith have worked
for her. 

1702
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,120
So she's just going to be more 
confident in that going forward.

1703
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,120
And she's a very young person, 
so she hasn't learned otherwise.

1704
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,040
The name is as old as she is. 
It's always been part of her, 

1705
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,600
and it continues to prove true 
from a symbolic perspective. 

1706
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,080
It's something we raised during 
the intro here and haven't 

1707
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,840
really spoken of too much yet. 
Storms are destructive, right? 

1708
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,200
The storm she was born under was
particularly destructive. 

1709
01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:41,200
Now she brought a metaphorical 
storm to Slaver's Bay and will 

1710
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,040
probably bring another one to 
Westeros. 

1711
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:46,400
And the Others are bringing a 
storm to Westeros as well. 

1712
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,800
So you could see Danny as a 
storm to fight a storm, a 

1713
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,960
firestorm to fight an ice storm 
perhaps. 

1714
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,560
But storms also allow growth. 
Not during, but in the wake of a

1715
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,960
storm, life blooms again. 
The old is washed away, the new 

1716
01:26:59,960 --> 01:27:05,040
grows up, the weaker trees are 
smashed, the life forms that 

1717
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,560
don't survive are replaced by 
new ones, etcetera. 

1718
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,520
Especially if evil is washed 
away. 

1719
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:10,800
That can be part of the 
metaphor, you know. 

1720
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,560
The storm comes, the rain washes
away all the bad, and then life 

1721
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,720
can begin a new again. 
Storms are anger and death and 

1722
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,960
violence and madness. 
But yeah, they're also change. 

1723
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,240
Sudden change. 
Storms often come quickly and 

1724
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:26,440
pass quickly and and devastate 
during that quick moment. 

1725
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,040
So yeah, they don't linger. 
Storms usually don't they. 

1726
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,200
They pave the way, but they 
aren't around. 

1727
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,040
They don't live long by their 
nature, which is maybe an 

1728
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,720
ominous aspect to Daenerys 
Targaryen's arc, is that the 

1729
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,280
Stormborn isn't meant to have a 
long life. 

1730
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,120
She's a storm. 
Storms don't live long. 

1731
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,800
They they, they crush, they 
destroy, they change, and then 

1732
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,400
they're gone to be remembered 
forever. 

1733
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,000
But it's brief their time on 
this earth. 

1734
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,040
Now storm gods, that's a little 
different, right? 

1735
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,760
Storm gods live well forever, I 
suppose. 

1736
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,440
You know, that's a that's a bit 
of a difference here. 

1737
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:01,080
But you know, gods are kind of 
eternal. 

1738
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,760
Think of the storm gods of 
mythology like Thor and Zeus and

1739
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,760
Indra and Horus and the like. 
They're temperamental, they're 

1740
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:11,120
dangerous, but they are very 
much these other things we've 

1741
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,560
said creators and and through 
chain, not necessarily direct 

1742
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,560
creation, but by changing the 
environment, they allow change 

1743
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,320
to occur. 
Storms can be punishments, 

1744
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:22,840
right? 
They can be the divine wrath of 

1745
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,920
the God or like they can be the 
divine wrath of God, like the 

1746
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,040
God of the Bible can manifest as
a storm, the great flood 

1747
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,520
navigated by Noah. 
That's a biblical storm, right? 

1748
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,400
Jesus can calm the storm on the 
other hand, which is proof of 

1749
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,000
the other hand. 
You know, Jesus as the Son of 

1750
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,760
God can HAMP the the works of 
his Father, however you want to 

1751
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:43,720
put it. 
I'm not sure if that's the right

1752
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,440
word choice, but I think the 
point is clear. 

1753
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:49,680
The calmness and protection from
chaos that comes through faith, 

1754
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,400
that's what's kind of being 
translated or transmitted by 

1755
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,440
those notions. 
Even the storm God of the 

1756
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,760
Ironborn kind of fits with this,
but he's more of a straight 

1757
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,000
devil. 
I mean, the Ironborn hate 

1758
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,120
change. 
So they don't want you, the 

1759
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,640
change part of storms. 
They don't like that they're 

1760
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:09,720
obsessed with the old ways. 
That's why the storm God is, is 

1761
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:13,320
the, the, the most antithetical 
figure because he brings change 

1762
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,120
and they hate, they don't like 
change. 

1763
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,320
Keep things the way they are, 
keep things the way they were, 

1764
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:18,840
right. 
A famous example from 

1765
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:20,800
Shakespeare is King Lear. 
And of course, it makes sense to

1766
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,640
bring up Shakespeare when you're
talking to George RR Martin, 

1767
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,920
who's heavily influenced by him.
During King Lear, there's a 

1768
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,120
famous storm. 
It it shows the turmoil in 

1769
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,400
Lear's mind, and it serves as a 
catalyst for his eventual change

1770
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,200
and redemption. 
He becomes redeemed in the long 

1771
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,320
run, or at least partly 
redeemed. 

1772
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,320
And you can't fight a storm. 
A storm isn't something you can 

1773
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:38,960
battle. 
It's something you take shelter 

1774
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,880
from and wait for it to be over,
knowing that it will probably be

1775
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:42,880
short. 
So that's the thing. 

1776
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,960
You can, you can manage that. 
You think, OK, well, this won't 

1777
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:46,360
be here forever. 
We can manage this. 

1778
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,640
So much of that applies to 
Danny, right? 

1779
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:53,880
The the coming in and changing 
and then leaving the the 

1780
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,040
conflict, the storm inside her. 
She does have a Targaryen 

1781
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,440
temper. 
She is very driven and she has a

1782
01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:03,840
lot of, you know, a lot, a lot 
of her origin was in tumult and 

1783
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:08,720
and chaos and trauma over time. 
She adds to her title, adds 

1784
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,440
deeds to her doing things that 
she's done rather than things 

1785
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:13,120
she was born with, like the 
Stormborn thing. 

1786
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,880
It's a part of who she is, not a
part of who what she's done. 

1787
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,640
It's more intrinsic than than 
earned. 

1788
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,240
Everyone is in part of product 
of their environment and Danny 

1789
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,040
was born during an epic storm 
that happened. 

1790
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,640
But she doesn't get credit for 
it, right? 

1791
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,040
She doesn't It wasn't earned. 
She didn't make the storm 

1792
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,440
happened, although some people 
believe that she did because 

1793
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:34,760
that's how superstition and and 
poor tents work, right? 

1794
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:39,040
Just before Danny marries his 
Darzo Lorac, she comes to hear 

1795
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,160
petitioners and she is 
announced. 

1796
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,520
Like this quote? 
All kneel for Daenerys 

1797
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:49,360
Stormborn, the Unburnt, Queen of
Marine, Queen of the and Dolls 

1798
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:53,080
and the Roynar and the First 
Men, Khaleesi of Great Grass, 

1799
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:57,440
Sea Breaker of Shackles and 
Mother of Dragons, Misande 

1800
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,120
called. 
That's what her title looks like

1801
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:00,920
these days. 
That's basically the updated 

1802
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,000
version of it. 
Stormborn still right there in 

1803
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,720
the front, still the most 
important part. 

1804
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,080
It will only have additions. 
Obviously. 

1805
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,560
That's going to stay. 
Even after she dies, the name 

1806
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:11,040
will remain. 
People are going to forget that 

1807
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,080
name and the tale will probably 
grow in the telling. 

1808
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,200
The epic storm will probably be 
even worse. 

1809
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,080
Be like oh the storm leveled 
Dragonstone. 

1810
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,200
If she dies in a storm will they
say stormborn and storm dead? 

1811
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,600
I guess so, yeah. 
She could die during die in a 

1812
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,480
winter storm, you know, fighting
the others or something like 

1813
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:26,960
that. 
Yeah. 

1814
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,600
So I point out that the name 
Stormborn isn't earned, but it's

1815
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,200
also inextricable. 
You can't take it away from her.

1816
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,880
She was born in a storm, period.
That is a That's a fact. 

1817
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,840
And when this quote happens, 
it's deep into a Dance of 

1818
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,520
Dragons, Right? 
This is, like I said, right 

1819
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,040
before she marries his Darzo 
Lorac. 

1820
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:45,720
The tales have made the rounds 
elsewhere prior to this, outside

1821
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,360
of her control, outside of her 
knowing people have been talking

1822
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,040
about her. 
Right, Because her legend has 

1823
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:51,320
spread. 
That's what we're calling this 

1824
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:55,440
next section. 
The legend since the end of A 

1825
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:58,280
Game of Thrones. 
Yeah, her tale of birthing 

1826
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,920
Dragons, even though it happened
way the heck out on the Dusraki 

1827
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,000
Sea, it's had time to spread. 
She went to Karth. 

1828
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,000
She's gone to Slaver's Bay. 
It's people have heard about 

1829
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,360
her. 
People have carried news. 

1830
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,520
And not just powerful people, 
they knew of her. 

1831
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,720
The powerful people knew about 
her quickly because, well, 

1832
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,440
relatively quickly, because, 
well, they keep track of such 

1833
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:19,280
things. 
But now it's just people in 

1834
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:20,880
bars. 
You know, she's just out there. 

1835
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,560
She's just a name people are 
aware of. 

1836
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,040
It comes up a lot in Westeros 
from what we're given. 

1837
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:29,560
And given that we can assume it 
happens a lot more in places off

1838
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,440
page that George isn't going to 
show us every bar in every city 

1839
01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:36,160
and every place, but especially 
if you live in a city like Old 

1840
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,240
Town. 
Well, here's A Feast for Crows, 

1841
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,360
the prologue at the Quill and 
Tankard. 

1842
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,040
No dragon has ever had three 
heads except on Shields and 

1843
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,200
banners. 
Armand, the acolyte, said 

1844
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,920
firmly. 
That was a heraldic charge, no 

1845
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:50,960
more. 
Furthermore, the Targaryens are 

1846
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,840
all dead. 
Not all, said Alaris. 

1847
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,360
The Beggar King had a sister. 
I thought her head was smashed 

1848
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,200
against the wall. 
Said Rune. 

1849
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:03,280
No, said Alaris. 
It was Prince Rhaegar's young 

1850
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:07,840
son Agon, whose head was dashed 
against the Wall by the Lion of 

1851
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:12,800
Lannister's brave men. 
We speak of Rhaegar's sister, 

1852
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:17,160
born on Dragonstone before its 
fall, the one they called 

1853
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:20,760
Daenerys. 
The Stormborn, I recall her now.

1854
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,720
So yeah, I mean, that's the 
thing that triggers the memory. 

1855
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,200
That cool name. 
Let's be honest, it's a it's 

1856
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,960
high quality marketing. 
I mean, that's a great brand 

1857
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,840
name, Stormborn. 
Like, I bet you could sell, I 

1858
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:32,960
don't know, storm gear, you 
know? 

1859
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,600
Something or a shirt that you're
wearing, right? 

1860
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:36,640
Now I'm literally wearing a 
short that's a shirt that's a 

1861
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,440
storm board, but it is a 
Daenerys shirt. 

1862
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,080
But you could make like, I don't
know, tents, something designed 

1863
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,520
to handle extreme weather. 
I don't know. 

1864
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:47,600
I'm not a I'm not a guy who 
makes storm gear, but you see my

1865
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,600
point? 
It's great marketing. 

1866
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,520
It rolls off the tongue. 
It kind of rhymes even. 

1867
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,880
It's very memorable. 
Rune had forgotten about her in 

1868
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,440
this chapter here, this 
discussion. 

1869
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:59,000
But when Alaris mentions the 
details, she's like, oh, yeah, 

1870
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,600
Stormborn, because that's such a
memorable name. 

1871
01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:06,320
Even a peasant could hear that 
name and think of auspice and 

1872
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,400
destiny. 
It just has that ring to it. 

1873
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:10,480
And these are folks studying to 
be maesters. 

1874
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:13,320
These are learned people, Rune 
and and Alaris Sorella, of 

1875
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:17,640
course, and Armand the Acolyte. 
So yeah. 

1876
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,960
And of course they throw 
Viserys's name pops in. 

1877
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:21,680
The two know the Beggar King and
Stormborn. 

1878
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,320
It's there again. 
It's the dichotomy. 

1879
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:25,360
It's like, Yep, Beggar King and 
the Stormborn. 

1880
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,720
Which one sounds cooler? 
It's going to be 10 out of 10. 

1881
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:30,600
Agree that Stormborn sounds 
cooler. 

1882
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,680
And it's. 
It's a name that makes you want 

1883
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,000
to know more, too. 
It's like, why is she called 

1884
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,200
that? 
If you didn't know already, 

1885
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,360
you'd be like, tell me more 
about that. 

1886
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,240
Tell me more about this Daenerys
Stormborn. 

1887
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:44,760
What's the deal with the storm? 
What's the. 

1888
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,960
Yeah, tell me. 
And so it carries those 

1889
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,080
associations no matter what the 
truth actually is. 

1890
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,280
Star Born is not a soft, squishy
name. 

1891
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,400
It's it carries weight, it's 
powerful. 

1892
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,960
Just as she is mentioned in the 
1st chapter of A Feast for Crows

1893
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,440
in Old Town, she's also 
mentioned in the final chapter 

1894
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:02,400
of A Dance with Dragons in 
King's Landing. 

1895
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,760
Quote. 
We have these tales coming from 

1896
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:11,320
the east as well, a second 
Targaryen and one whose blood no

1897
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,600
man can question, Daenerys 
Stormborn. 

1898
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:18,560
As mad as her father. 
Declared Lord Mace Tyrell. 

1899
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,600
That would be the same father 
that Highgarden and House Tyrell

1900
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,760
supported to the bitter end and 
well beyond. 

1901
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,640
Mad she may be, Sarah, Kevin 
said. 

1902
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:33,640
But with so much smoke drifting 
W, surely there must be some 

1903
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:37,680
fire burning in the east. 
Even in council setting, even 

1904
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,120
with these high Lords discussing
matters of the realm, they still

1905
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,920
call her Stormborn. 
The first example was just 

1906
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,320
people drinking in a Tavern. 
Those aren't people with control

1907
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,880
over any events, they're just 
friends at a bar. 

1908
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:51,800
This is the Red Keep, the small 
council, the Iron Throne, and 

1909
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:55,160
they're calling her Stormborn. 
Yeah, in the back of their 

1910
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:58,280
minds, well, some of them, some 
of them are thinking about other

1911
01:35:58,280 --> 01:35:59,560
things. 
But the thought must be 

1912
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,800
something like her birth seemed 
portentous at the time and how? 

1913
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,280
And now she is here doing big 
things just as a portentous 

1914
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,200
figure would. 
The name Stormborn happened 17 

1915
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:12,160
ish years before and here she is
doing storm borny things, 

1916
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:16,320
destroying King's, I mean 
destroying Slaver's Bay from 

1917
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,000
their perspective she killed her
own brother and killed Khal 

1918
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,480
Drogo and all this other stuff. 
It was like wow she really is 

1919
01:36:21,480 --> 01:36:23,960
impressive. 
So there's multiple things that 

1920
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:28,520
are funny about Mace Tyrell 
saying as mad as her father. 

1921
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:30,400
He's saying it does to denigrate
her. 

1922
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,760
But Kevin's sarcastic thoughts 
on it is pretty funny. 

1923
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:34,920
It's like, well, you supported 
your house, supported that 

1924
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,960
madman until the end. 
And Eris was mad, that's true, 

1925
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,680
but he was extremely dangerous. 
He almost succeeded in blowing 

1926
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,800
up King's Landing. 
I mean, as mad as her father is,

1927
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:45,080
he's like, we don't have to 
worry about her. 

1928
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,760
She's as mad as mad as the guy 
that almost blew up King's 

1929
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:49,760
Landing. 
That's super villain stuff. 

1930
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,440
That's not bumbling fool type 
stuff. 

1931
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:53,200
Pay attention Mace, because 
you're more of the latter. 

1932
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,800
Right, so this isn't an argument
to not take him take her 

1933
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:58,760
seriously. 
It's maybe an argument to take 

1934
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,640
her more seriously. 
Eris never had real Dragons. 

1935
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,440
A mad king or queen with Dragons
is quite a threat actually. 

1936
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:09,400
Mace Tyrell, of course, from our
perspective, Danny is not, in 

1937
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:14,520
fact mad, but she has done 
things that might qualify as mad

1938
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,280
and might do more. 
And certainly the perspective on

1939
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:17,480
her is what we're discussing 
here. 

1940
01:37:17,480 --> 01:37:19,800
This is the people's view of 
Daenerys, not the truth about 

1941
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,200
Daenerys. 
So put all that together. 

1942
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:27,920
Stormborn, Mad King's daughter. 
That's dangerous, that's scary 

1943
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:29,560
to them. 
They should be very concerned. 

1944
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:36,400
So Kevin wisely just chooses to 
evade the awkward utterance of 

1945
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,480
Mace Tyrell there and says, 
look, yeah, maybe she's the Mad 

1946
01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:41,040
King's daughter, blah, blah, 
blah. 

1947
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,440
But surely there's fire behind 
that smoke. 

1948
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:46,320
The the metaphor is well used 
here. 

1949
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:47,520
Where there's smoke, there's 
fire. 

1950
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,160
And yeah, he's not wrong. 
She he believes she could be a 

1951
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,440
real threat. 
And again, yeah, he's not wrong.

1952
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:56,760
Which of course, is a big part 
of why Varis kills him in this 

1953
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:58,920
very chapter. 
He's like, that guy knows what's

1954
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,600
up, better kill him. 
And we need people. 

1955
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,080
We need more people like this 
Mace Tyrell in charge, this dumb

1956
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,240
person here that's get him more 
power. 

1957
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:08,960
That'll set things up for us 
very nicely, says Varis. 

1958
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,240
So yeah, Storm board is coming. 
She's coming. 

1959
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,480
They don't know when or where or
how. 

1960
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,160
And you wonder what the other 
council numbers think. 

1961
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,880
Obviously Mace is like, she's 
welcome to Slaver's Bay, let her

1962
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,680
stay there. 
And like, well, is that is she 

1963
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,440
going to? 
Why would you assume that? 

1964
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:29,600
So Mesa aside, the other members
of the council would probably be

1965
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:31,120
like, I would have their 
concerns. 

1966
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:32,960
Some of them might think about 
it and be like, yeah, I remember

1967
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,280
when she was born. 
I remember this. 

1968
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:36,240
I remember that. 
Like this is we should take this

1969
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,840
seriously And and the name 
Stormborn might actually add 

1970
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,360
some gravitas. 
That's a word we've used a lot 

1971
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,560
today to to those thoughts be 
like, yeah, it might make her 

1972
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,760
sound even more dangerous. 
On the other hand, we have Euron

1973
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:51,120
who's going to sue her because 
he is the storm. 

1974
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,720
He didn't birth her like a 
Stormborn. 

1975
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,880
I'm the storm, I'm not your 
father. 

1976
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:01,000
I do want to be your lover, 
however, So you know, now he 

1977
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:03,080
does want to control her. 
So that makes a lot of sense. 

1978
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,880
It is a thematic connection, and
there's a lot of thematic 

1979
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,280
connections between Euron and 
Danny. 

1980
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,960
Not the sort that indicates that
they will be allies, of course, 

1981
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,200
but certainly the sort that 
tells us their paths will cross,

1982
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,840
that Danny will have to deal 
with him and that she, he wants 

1983
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,760
to deal with her. 
Now, that of course, became 

1984
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,760
obvious when he told the King's 
movement that he was 

1985
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,960
specifically targeting her and 
her Dragons directly. 

1986
01:39:24,440 --> 01:39:28,640
But the signs for Euron and 
Danny's overlap or intersection 

1987
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:30,920
were there long before that, 
right? 

1988
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,920
Quaith told Danny that Crow and 
Kraken are coming. 

1989
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,320
She is the red dragon on black 
coloring. 

1990
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,360
He is black on red. 
And of course, there's that 

1991
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:41,920
line. 
I am the storm, my Lord. 

1992
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,680
The first storm and the last. 
He says that and she's storm 

1993
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,160
born. 
So there's the the storm 

1994
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:47,760
connotation is something they 
have in common. 

1995
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,760
So we already brought up how her
storm will be dealing with the 

1996
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:52,640
storm of the others, but she has
to deal with this one too. 

1997
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:55,440
And his storm might be more 
connected directly to the 

1998
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:58,360
others. 
He might have more of a pairing 

1999
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,440
there as the Super villains than
than with Danny, although that's

2000
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:04,680
not what he wants. 
So he's a compelling character, 

2001
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:07,240
but not someone I wish happiness
upon, right? 

2002
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:12,000
So it's sad to think about the 
storm aspect of this in terms of

2003
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:17,360
something temporary, powerful 
and fleeting for Danny, because,

2004
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,320
yeah, I mean, I think a lot of 
us. 

2005
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:21,880
Probably don't think she's going
to survive the series. 

2006
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:23,640
Some of us do. 
Some people think that. 

2007
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:31,120
I don't think she will, but I do
think it will be after she saves

2008
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:34,280
humanity. 
Her storm will be the storm that

2009
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:38,960
enables that renewal, that 
prevents the others from their 

2010
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:43,160
storm taking hold, which would 
wipe out humanity and would not 

2011
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:45,080
allow renewal. 
Their storm would be the real 

2012
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:48,280
last storm, the one that doesn't
actually cause renewal, that 

2013
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:52,000
doesn't allow new life to grow. 
That storm is truly death. 

2014
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:56,520
Danny's is the destructive storm
that prevents the larger death. 

2015
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,680
So they both apply in different 
degrees. 

2016
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:06,560
The story of Danny's birth and 
the events just before is one 

2017
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,040
that should eventually have more
detail. 

2018
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:12,640
There's Jamie and Barristan as 
witnesses with more to tell, and

2019
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,680
Danny does want to know more 
about her family. 

2020
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,920
When she goes back to 
Dragonstone might open some 

2021
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,840
possibilities. 
She might learn about Rhaegar. 

2022
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:22,240
She might learn about her 
father, Aries. 

2023
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,440
She may learn about her mother, 
the one that she may have had 

2024
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:27,880
the most in common with. 
She might find more in common 

2025
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,640
with Rhaegar. 
I don't know, but I think if he 

2026
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:34,040
learns about her mother, she'll 
find that they had a lot in 

2027
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:35,640
common. 
She might lament not getting to 

2028
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:38,120
meet her because they would have
been able to share a lot. 

2029
01:41:39,440 --> 01:41:41,480
And again, who else could know 
some things here? 

2030
01:41:41,480 --> 01:41:44,520
Who else has detail? 
Who else knows about Rayella? 

2031
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,400
Who else could tell Danny more 
about her birth and us more 

2032
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:49,240
about her birth? 
There's always Bran, obviously. 

2033
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,120
Bran can see everything, 
basically, or as far as we can 

2034
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,960
tell. 
But I don't know that Bran and 

2035
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:56,600
Danny will ever even have a 
conversation. 

2036
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:01,720
So John, not John directly, but 
John's circumstances may be 

2037
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,200
telling. 
We brought this up much earlier 

2038
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:05,520
in the episode, and here we 
bring it back. 

2039
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,880
The Tower of Joy had to have 
servants, other potential 

2040
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,000
witnesses to John's birth, like 
say, Willa, right? 

2041
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,120
Just so there are others who 
were Dragonstone when the storm 

2042
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,440
raged that night. 
And Jamie says her maids were 

2043
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:21,600
whispering about what had been 
done to Aiella. 

2044
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:26,200
So there's a lot of, you know, 
nameless individuals who were 

2045
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,800
around for that. 
And this isn't that long ago. 

2046
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,440
This is Danny isn't even 20. 
So we we're, we're talking 

2047
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:33,640
servants who might have been 
around for that, that are still 

2048
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:35,440
around now. 
They could you could have a Red 

2049
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:38,280
Keep employee who was 20 when 
that happened or 30 when that 

2050
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:39,440
happened. 
They're 50 now. 

2051
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:41,960
I could have several people like
that. 

2052
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:43,600
It might take a lot of 
corroboration, a lot of 

2053
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:44,920
different names, a lot of 
different people. 

2054
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,360
But there's more, too. 
There's those who knew Willem 

2055
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,080
Derry. 
There's the captains of that 

2056
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:51,960
Targaryen fleet destroyed at 
anchor. 

2057
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:53,520
They didn't go down with those 
ships. 

2058
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,800
The ships were at anchor. 
The peasants who witnessed the 

2059
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,080
storm from outside the walls of 
Dragonstone. 

2060
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,080
Just hearing about the storm 
would be interesting. 

2061
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,040
Just more more detail, more 
like, wow, wow. 

2062
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,880
How did your hovel survive that?
Did you have to flee to some 

2063
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:07,640
caves? 
What did people do? 

2064
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:12,240
They were the servants who lived
at the castle inside, right? 

2065
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:14,040
We talked about those outside, 
but what about the ones on 

2066
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:15,280
inside? 
Like we, we talked about the 

2067
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,160
ones in King's Landing, but they
would have been Dragonstone as 

2068
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:18,320
well. 
The ones who were around, the 

2069
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:20,880
ones who assisted with the 
birth, who? 

2070
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:22,680
The nameless maester that 
delivered Daenerys. 

2071
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:24,120
There must have been other 
people to help. 

2072
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:26,960
It wasn't just a maester and 
Queen Rayela and nobody else, 

2073
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:28,080
right? 
There had to be other people 

2074
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,280
there. 
Maybe Prince Doran was told 

2075
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:35,720
things about Rayella or just 
other things about through his 

2076
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,480
mother, the Princess of Dorne, 
who was Rayela's lady in 

2077
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:41,640
waiting. 
And of course, Varys. 

2078
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:45,520
Varys knows all kinds of things,
perhaps. 

2079
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,160
Obviously, again, we have to 
repeat the the warning with him 

2080
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:50,720
that what he tells us may not be
accurate. 

2081
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:53,320
But if George wants to give us 
some truths, Varys is a 

2082
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:55,760
possibility for delivering that.
And he's an interesting 

2083
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:58,000
possibility because, yeah, we 
might doubt some of the things 

2084
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,680
he say, which will help us 
contain some of the mystery, 

2085
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:04,640
maintain some of the mystery, 
while simultaneously perhaps 

2086
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:06,680
giving us some answers. 
The house with the red door 

2087
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:10,200
might might be where she wants 
to go, but it seems her destiny 

2088
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:14,480
passes through Dragonstone. 
The House of the red door 

2089
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:17,280
represents the other path, the 
path not taken the the the 

2090
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,920
simple life, the non storm born 
version of her. 

2091
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,640
To go forward you must go back, 
Quaithe told her. 

2092
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,720
Going back in this case is 
Dragonstone the place of her 

2093
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:30,320
birth, the place she became 
Stormborn? 

2094
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,640
Doris Dame asks could Danny deal
first with Euron and gain 

2095
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:36,280
support by doing so, echoing 
Egon the First, who started his 

2096
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,600
conquest by riding the realm of 
Hair in the Black, another Iron 

2097
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,720
born king. 
Great idea. 

2098
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,640
Yes, rather than dealing with 
the Others and then Euron, she 

2099
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:46,720
could deal with Euron and then 
the Others, which if she dealt 

2100
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:50,160
with such an important threat, a
key villain that's menacing the 

2101
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,600
Seven Kingdoms, that would win 
her a lot of support, especially

2102
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:57,000
perhaps the Reach, which they're
somewhat predisposed to follow 

2103
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:01,600
her anyway, friends in the 
Reach, Young Griff stuff aside. 

2104
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,520
Like, he might be dead by then 
too, I don't know. 

2105
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:04,760
But yeah, that's a great 
thought. 

2106
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:05,960
Yeah. 
Like, that would be a cool 

2107
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:10,480
parallel and it's a way to it 
worked great for Aegon. 

2108
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:12,680
Like I took, I take on the 
biggest, baddest guy. 

2109
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,680
Not only does it win me respect,
not only does it not make me 

2110
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:17,840
enemies because he doesn't have 
friends, but it proves how 

2111
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:19,920
strong I am. 
Because you're defeating a 

2112
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,480
serious badass, a seriously 
dangerous fellow. 

2113
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,400
Absolutely. 
All that applies to Euron. 

2114
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,640
Huge, super villainous guy. 
No one doesn't have a lot of 

2115
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,960
friends. 
Beating him doesn't mean you 

2116
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,560
have to deal with all his allies
afterwards. 

2117
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,400
Stop him and you've probably 
just put the Ironborn in check 

2118
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:41,640
completely for a while. 
And that's that is what happened

2119
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,040
pretty much when Aegon took down
Heron. 

2120
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,160
So yeah, I like that a lot. 
That's a great idea to be 

2121
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:48,640
honest. 
Hadn't considered the order of 

2122
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:52,200
operations like that. 
And it fits in in some ways. 

2123
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,440
It does make a lot more sense 
from a literary perspective to 

2124
01:45:54,440 --> 01:45:58,360
have the others be more final 
than Euron. 

2125
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:01,400
Neuron hasn't been the villain 
all along. 

2126
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:05,560
He's he is 1/3 act villain but 
he has He wasn't barely 

2127
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:08,080
introduced early on. 
He was technically introduced as

2128
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:11,200
early as book two, maybe even 
the end of book one, I forget. 

2129
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:14,480
But he obviously isn't a big 
part of the story and until 

2130
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:18,880
starting book three book 4. 
The trivia question we had this 

2131
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,920
one was in the If he's for grows
prologue, which character points

2132
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:23,800
out that not all the Targaryens 
are dead? 

2133
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:28,200
If you guessed Alaris AKA 
Sorella, you are correct. 

2134
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:30,440
Yes, the person there who with 
the most knowledge of House 

2135
01:46:30,440 --> 01:46:33,760
Targaryen because they are her 
family. 

2136
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:38,840
Alaris is related to Oberon, not
you know, not directly related 

2137
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:44,840
to because of you know it was 
Elia, Elia who married not and 

2138
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,600
Oberon is her brother. 
But there might still be 

2139
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,320
Targaryen blood from the prior 
Daenerys in them. 

2140
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:50,840
So she might be related directly
to this. 

2141
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:55,520
Daenerys probably is. 
So that's neat little connection

2142
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:57,960
there. 
Our next episode is going to be 

2143
01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,800
Stark Skin Changer. 
That's our next live stream. 

2144
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:02,880
We always have other episodes in
the works as well. 

2145
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,320
I mentioned quite a few topics 
in this one that relate to other

2146
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,360
episodes. 
We've done Tragedy of Summer 

2147
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:09,840
Hall and The Shadow of Summer 
Hall. 

2148
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:13,040
Those are very related. 
Of course, the those are more 

2149
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,520
focused on Aries and Radar. 
There's a good bit of Rayela in 

2150
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:17,880
there and we certainly cast the 
light forward in that one as 

2151
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:19,880
well. 
We touched briefly on The War of

2152
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:23,080
9, Penny Kings, Embarriston and 
Meili's The Monstrous. 

2153
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:25,960
It's the last Black Fire 
rebellion by a lot of people's 

2154
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,880
reckoning, including ours. 
That's an episode out there for 

2155
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:29,880
us. 
We've got that one in our 

2156
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:31,240
catalog. 
We have an episode on 

2157
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,800
Dragonstone. 
That's a pretty important one 

2158
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,200
here as well. 
We have an episode on that Kevin

2159
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:39,880
epilogue, I believe that's a 
patrons only episode if I recall

2160
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:43,320
correctly. 
It's a thorough undertaking of A

2161
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:46,520
Dance with Dragons as epilogue, 
which is an amazing chapter that

2162
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:52,440
somehow manages to touch on 
almost every plot point that's 

2163
01:47:52,440 --> 01:47:54,960
active in all of A Song of Ice 
and Fire gets brought up in that

2164
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:56,640
Kevin epilogue. 
It's one of the most impressive 

2165
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,000
chapters for that reason to me. 
Plus it's also just amazing with

2166
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:03,560
the the the the murder of Kevin,
the reveal of Virus's connection

2167
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:05,600
to Young Griff, which we already
knew there was a connection 

2168
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,520
there but him having him stated 
aloud is great. 

2169
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,560
I think impressive not just that
he he interweaves those plot 

2170
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:13,560
lines, but that he does it in an
organic way that doesn't feel 

2171
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:17,120
just like exposition and ham 
fisted and all of that, you 

2172
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:20,800
know, just speaks to how complex
and interwoven everything is and

2173
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,040
how well he does it that it 
feels so natural. 

2174
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:27,360
Yeah, it's some of his best 
writing and it's a great way to 

2175
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:29,160
leave things, even though we've 
been waiting a long time for 

2176
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:31,800
more. 
The last chapter he wrote was 

2177
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:36,560
just what a way to keep us to to
let it go for now to what a way 

2178
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:40,440
to to bridge that gap for us. 
So yeah, a lot of other episodes

2179
01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:44,680
you can get deep into and then 
continue to enjoy these topics 

2180
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:48,080
or related ones. 
We will be back with more next 

2181
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:51,320
time. 
Thanks to our good friends Nina 

2182
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:56,640
Good queenalley.tumblr.com. 
Joey Townsend, the composer of 

2183
01:48:56,640 --> 01:48:59,640
our theme song, our original 
theme song we love so much. 

2184
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:02,160
We've been playing that for 12 
years plus now. 

2185
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:06,880
And thanks to Michael Klarfeld, 
who created our video intro that

2186
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,160
incorporates that song by Joey 
Townsend. 

2187
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:12,800
And we're going to be seeing 
Michael in person next month, so

2188
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:15,120
that'll be a lot of fun. 
Michael's going to visit America

2189
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:19,720
for the first time and we're 
going to show him all the fun 

2190
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,640
stuff that he can do over here. 
Worth noting he'll be here in 

2191
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:27,080
the Atlanta area at the, I think
it'll be like February 22nd ish.

2192
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,240
So if you're in the area and 
would like us to have a meet up,

2193
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:34,920
send us an e-mail or message us 
on Discord or what have you. 

2194
01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:40,000
But also we're going to drive 
him up to Chicago to and we're 

2195
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:45,040
going to go see friend of the 
show Tommy and take Michael to 

2196
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,920
Bucky's and just kind of road 
trip with him because that's a 

2197
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:50,800
nice American experience that 
you don't usually get if you fly

2198
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,800
from city to city. 
So if you're in the Chicago 

2199
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:57,320
area, we might also do some sort
of hanging there. 

2200
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,400
He flies out March 1st. 
That's right. 

2201
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:02,560
So yeah, just contact us if you 
want more info or want us want 

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to be included, or if you just 
want to say hey to Michael. 

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Either way, we'd be happy to 
hear from you. 

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And so would he. 
Until next time you know what to

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do.