1 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,000 We've been saying all season long that we've been looking 2 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,480 forward to the ending. Not that we were in a hurry to 3 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,920 get there, but because we know it's a strong ending. 4 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,920 We know that a strong ending was handed to the showrunners and 5 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,320 that's something nice to look forward to. 6 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:13,160 It's a nice reassurance and in given how bad a lot of endings 7 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,480 are throughout the the world of television, we just don't get a 8 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,840 lot of quality endings in general. 9 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,560 And as the season went on, we gained confidence in their 10 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,440 ability to pull it off pretty quickly, to be honest, given how 11 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,800 well the early episodes went. And, you know, overall, the 12 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,680 Hedge Night is a story with powerful themes that we were 13 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:33,160 introduced to in A Song of Ice and Fire somewhat. 14 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,560 And they're intrinsically tied to a whole new set of 15 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,600 characters. I mean new, as opposed to A Song 16 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,400 of Ice and Fire, some of whom we're somewhat familiar with 17 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,040 given their families and other aspects of Westeros that are 18 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,640 familiar as well. Those themes culminate here in 19 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,360 the final episode, just as they do in the final pages of the 20 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,960 novel. The choices made here are the 21 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,480 anchor for the rest of Duncan Egg's lives. 22 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,640 This is how it's all established here. 23 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,280 We get the groundwork for future conflict, future adventures, 24 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,040 future fun. We know what Dunc's values are. 25 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,400 And then living up to those values comes a great personal 26 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,080 cost, but also with the deep personal satisfaction and the 27 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,520 admiration of many like Egg and us. 28 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Dunk was told by Rafe to go out and find a family, and Dunk and 29 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Egg chose each other. Dunk never knew his, and Egg is 30 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,240 better off not knowing his birth family. 31 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:26,640 It's a moving episode with some new scenes featuring a variety 32 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:30,440 of tones, the resolution of some themes, as well as most of the 33 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,600 dialogue being carried over from the novella. 34 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,800 As per usual, we dunk our eggs into all that and more on this 35 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,320 episode of History of Westeros Podcast. 36 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Hello and welcome back everybody. 37 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,800 It's not our final episode of Duncan Egg season. 38 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,480 We certainly have at least a wrap up episode next week at the 39 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,800 usual time, but we will be pretty soon shifting back to our 40 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,520 Sunday time slot at 3:00 and we will still have our game streams 41 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,160 at six on Fridays. Sean, how's it going? 42 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,680 You got a a end of season beverage, some sort of 43 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,440 culmination drink. But nothing too special. 44 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,720 It's the green machine with the magic mine and Mountain Dew. 45 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,480 I've it's a pretty good mix. I've experimented a lot and I'm 46 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,680 kind of settling on this so you can call. 47 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,360 That a call that a green apple phosphate. 48 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,000 There's probably not enough Apple in it, but hey there. 49 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,720 You go. I do think the Green Machine has 50 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,080 a lot of apple juice in. It all right Hon. 51 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Cool. I'm excited how they really did 52 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,120 confirm that Dunk was knighted after all. 53 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:32,880 Yeah, it was very clearly done there, wasn't it? 54 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Yes, there's no doubt whatsoever. 55 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,480 They gave us the exact moment there. 56 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,840 It must have happened. If you all have questions for us 57 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,200 or things you want us to discuss, let us know here live 58 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,200 on the episode or send us an e-mail at 59 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,560 westeroshistory@gmail.com or just hit us up on one of our 60 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,200 socials. We're on pretty much every 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,720 social media platform that there is. 62 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,960 Well, most of them. All the big ones for the most 63 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,760 part. At the end of this episode, 64 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,120 we'll mention some others that relate to this one since you 65 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,120 know, you might want to move into other territory. 66 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,840 Now at the end of the season, we have a fun poll for you all. 67 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,000 Now the ending was changed slightly, we're going to discuss 68 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,800 this in more detail. But for now, I think you all 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,560 understand the the ramifications of the change, which is that 70 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,800 well, how are they going to handle Egg having Makar's signet 71 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,920 ring, AKA the boot, the thing that proves his identity? 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,800 To be clear, he doesn't use that until the mystery night. 73 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,640 He mentions it in the Sworn sword, but he doesn't actually 74 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,440 use it. So our question is, are they 75 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,360 going to resolve that by having Egg steel Makar's signet ring? 76 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,960 There's other ways they can resolve it, but this would be a 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,760 nice simple 1. So yes or no? 78 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,840 Did Egg steel make ours signet ring? 79 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,080 That's the poll. We'll reveal what you all think 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,000 percentage wise at the end. I'm kind of a toss up 81 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,640 personally, but we'll I. Can see an argument either way 82 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,240 for how it would be difficult for him to steal it, but I and I 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,560 also see it a really easy way for him to get it before book 3, 84 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,480 so I'm not too worried about this at all. 85 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,640 Yeah, it it's not a hard, it doesn't have a huge butterfly 86 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:58,480 fact. There's no way. 87 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,400 Yeah. So either way, there should be a 88 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,120 clever explanation or a simple one. 89 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,720 We almost did a poll about what would Raymond name his kid. 90 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,600 Raymond and Rowan there. Duncan or not Duncan would have 91 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,600 been the choices. I guess it could have been Dunk, 92 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,880 or that's the same name though anyway. 93 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:16,840 Or is it? What kind of name is Dunk? 94 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,200 Come on, Is it short for Duncan? Yeah, yes. 95 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,240 Short for yes. He can't be named Dunk because 96 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,760 then people will say that's ridiculous like Lionel did. 97 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,840 Corn Emperor sends a super chat, says love. 98 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:29,400 Y'all can't believe this is the last one. 99 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,040 I know right? But we will be back of course 100 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,720 with more TV show coverage later this year and of course our book 101 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,480 coverage. And Duncan Egg is only going to 102 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,640 be a year out, right? We get this every year for, 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,640 well, who knows how long, but it's a bright future. 104 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,720 They didn't ride off into the sunset forever. 105 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,760 They did ride off into the sunset, but not forever. 106 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:48,240 So let's start as we usually do with our favorite performance 107 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,360 and favorite scene. We will say hey Sean, start us 108 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,320 off here. Who did you pick as your 109 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,320 favorite? Now y'all just went before Sean 110 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,520 answers. I want to point out, of course 111 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,680 in our wrap up episode we're going to do some season long 112 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,440 questions like this. If you have questions that you 113 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,320 want to tackle in regards to that kind of thing, let us know. 114 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Now Sean, take it away. Who do you think was your 115 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,960 favorite performance of Episode 6? 116 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,320 You know, I'll, I'll say that I don't. 117 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,800 I didn't really feel like any one person super stood out. 118 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,280 There was like several different good ones. 119 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:20,800 But you know, sometimes 1 character, 1 performance really 120 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,040 nails it or gets more air time or whatever. 121 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,880 I think there's a few that maybe could have taken it here, but 122 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,920 I'm going to give it to Peter Claffey to playing Dunk 123 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,280 specifically. Well, a couple reasons I'll say 124 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,600 1 is he did a good job of kind of taking second seat to a lot 125 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,080 of the other people being featured here. 126 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,880 And two, he did a good job of emoting with all that makeup on 127 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,520 his face. You know, they in the behind the 128 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,760 scenes, they kind of describe the process of getting the 129 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,000 bruising and swelling on his face and that I feel like that's 130 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,920 got to be just uncomfortable on top of everything. 131 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,000 It's hard to know what his face looks like and a feel and still 132 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,080 a Moat properly. So I want to give some credit to 133 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,040 that. I'd like to ask him which was 134 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,880 more difficult, acting with this makeup, all this bruised makeup 135 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,840 or with that helmet. Yeah. 136 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,080 This is probably a tough call, maybe not for him, but I I mean, 137 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,600 I would have a tough call guessing anyway. 138 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,880 What about you, Shay? Who is your favorite performance 139 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,840 of the Morrow? I'm going to go with Dexter 140 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Solancell as egg. I thought he again, got a quite 141 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:25,120 a range of of emotions to show and I found it very 142 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,640 heartbreaking with really no dialogue in that whole sequence 143 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:35,880 with him going to Aryan's room with the knife and the resonance 144 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,880 with, you know, childhood trauma and abuse and breaking this 145 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,920 cycle. And yeah, it was very moving and 146 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,960 I thought he acted it very, very well. 147 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,120 Loved it. So I'm going to give it to him. 148 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,280 I'm also just partial to Lionel and Raymond. 149 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,680 Give them a shout out. They're always just delightful. 150 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,720 They love Dunk. We love Dunk. 151 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,640 I like that they care about Dunk a bit. 152 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,240 We'll talk about that more later, but I'm going to give it 153 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,400 to the real emotional performance here. 154 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,840 And going to do a similar one. I'm going to go with Sam Spruill 155 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,680 as Makar. He was he was very emotional. 156 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,840 I think this is partly like just my expectations because I was 157 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,080 looking forward to the scene all season long before like the 158 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,000 before the season was announced. This is I'm just looking forward 159 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,280 to this part. And they did it really, really 160 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,480 well. Sam Spruill's range of emotion 161 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,000 just within one scene, two different scenes was really well 162 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,840 done. Hit the the tension in his 163 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,280 forehead and in his eyes. Yeah, just really, really well 164 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,120 done. I was super happy with it. 165 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,840 It really had high expectations for it and and they were met. 166 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,039 Also, I want to shout out to Andy Webb. 167 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,640 He's in he's in every episode, but in small amounts as a as a 168 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,799 whole. I think we'll spend some time 169 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:43,799 talking about him more perhaps in our wrap up. 170 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:45,720 But just looking at his performance as a whole, 171 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,600 definitely got to give the guy a shout out. 172 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,160 He was really strong in general. And this was last episode had 173 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,040 some particularly good moments. Well, one in particular, but 174 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,240 also some other good moments in general. 175 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,120 So favorite scene? How about you, Sean? 176 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,160 I see you're you've got a related moment here. 177 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Why not want to give a general shout out to the lingering 178 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,120 injuries of the combatants in the Trial 7? 179 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,080 I really appreciate it. They all had groaned and grimace 180 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,480 when they stood up and had limps and, you know, injuries and 181 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,640 damage on her face and hands and everything. 182 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,120 I thought. I just really appreciate that 183 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,760 they did that. But my favorite scene was easy, 184 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,040 hands down. Like I was surprised at how much 185 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,360 it moved me in that little moment. 186 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,840 She has gotten a screen when Dunk and Egg and Arlen were 187 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,760 writing off. It was like, I don't even know 188 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,520 how to describe. I I like you know when they when 189 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,120 they, you know, they kind of did was presented to us. 190 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,000 You see the the two horses and Dunk and Egg and it's you start 191 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,280 to realize there's a third horse and like, oh, that's weird. 192 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,320 I thought he gave sweet. But wait, if someone's on it, 193 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,840 who Oh, it's Arlen and you know, all that happened in like one 194 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,840 second in my brain. And then suddenly I just felt my 195 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,960 chest lock up and my eyes start to water in a little whimper 196 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,280 came out and like what's happening to me? 197 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Like I could not believe how emotional and how suddenly 198 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,760 emotional I became in that moment. 199 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,040 I was. It's a it's an example of 200 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,640 something. It's like I, I think there's a 201 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,720 lot of times when I think about like it's especially the thing 202 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,360 about your favorite episode of ATV show your favorite season. 203 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,840 It's sometimes it's not fair because, you know, the, the 204 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,360 season finale of the third season, it's built on everything 205 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,360 that happened before and on its own, I don't know how good it 206 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,680 is. It's seen on its own, you know, 207 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:29,800 maybe isn't even noteworthy. But in the context of everything 208 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,760 else, it just really hit me emotionally. 209 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,760 I was moved. I mean, I, I think I have to 210 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,480 pick it as my best scene of the whole season, maybe of all the 211 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,040 Game of Thrones material out there. 212 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,040 I was never moved to tears like that before. 213 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,360 Wow, Very good. All right, you. 214 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,880 Weren't moved to tears during Game of Thrones or House of the 215 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,160 Dragon, Sean. Not that I can think of. 216 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,040 I mean I got emotional a few times, but I've never, I mean I 217 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,520 had a tear dripped down my face and I chest locked up and like 218 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,360 had to get my breath back and like it was surprising. 219 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,560 You know how much it hit me. I'm more surprised to learn that 220 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:06,040 it's the only one, but regardless. 221 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,560 But. I loved it. 222 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,600 Too. It was also beautifully filmed, 223 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,040 like the way that you had this dreamy cast to it, the panning 224 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,040 over the the the land. And yeah, I thought it was. 225 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,840 It was filmed very well. Little Field of Dreams, he 226 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,360 almost. I don't want to go around with 227 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,280 that field. I don't want to ramble about it 228 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,560 too much, but I'll tell you I am more often moved to tears at 229 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:30,320 moments of triumph. Yeah, I feel that's usually when 230 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,360 I kind of well up and get emotional is when someone wins 231 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,200 in the end or does the tough thing, for example. 232 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,720 And when Dunk says justice for Glendon Ball, that like, I don't 233 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,560 know, it wasn't as emotional as this, but that might be among 234 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,040 the most emotional moments I've had. 235 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,400 When someone, you know, makes the stand and achieves the good 236 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,280 thing or whatever else, that that tends to make me well, up. 237 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,440 Sometimes even upset at me 'cause it's sometimes it's like 238 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,680 a cheesy ending to a movie, Like oh God, what am I getting 239 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,200 emotional? That's funny. 240 00:11:58,680 --> 00:11:59,560 Yeah, well, you get to hear that. 241 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:01,840 You'll have to compare these two scenes When when that line is 242 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,240 said out loud on screen, you'll have to come back and make this 243 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,840 comparison. OK, what about you? 244 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,680 Pick your favorite. My favorite is a scene that also 245 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:13,160 stirred great emotion in me, but a different sort of emotion, 246 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,640 laughter. I felt that the opening shot of 247 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,640 this episode was one of my favorite moments in any of the 248 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,400 shows ever. I thought it was incredibly 249 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,040 great to just kind of shift the tone and have a kind of a palate 250 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,480 cleanser after how heavy the end of Episode 5 was. 251 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,400 It starts with this kind of jazzy music and a really long 252 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,880 shot of Lionel and his his witch Maester looking down right. 253 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,400 He's a kind of a creepy guy, but like it. 254 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,040 It stays on them for for a minute while this music plays 255 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,920 and then he holds out the wine. It cuts to dunk and it goes to 256 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,200 the title credits. That's it. 257 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:58,800 It's two shots and I found it to be so effective and it made me 258 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,920 laugh so much. And I think it's what the 259 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,760 audience really needed to just kind of shift the tone again. 260 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:10,080 And yeah, just brilliant music choices all around from the kind 261 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,200 of anachronistic sounding ones like the ending song, of course, 262 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,080 16 Tons, which was just really well done. 263 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,080 But all the music, the original music, it really set this 264 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,920 episode apart. The whole season I think was 265 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,600 outstanding. I think that's something we were 266 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,120 concerned about. Concerned is maybe an extreme 267 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,680 word, but knowing it's not Ramin Jawadi, it is a consideration is 268 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:37,120 what will the music be? Will it hold up to that 269 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,640 standard? And it does for me. 270 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,240 I I love the music in this show. Yeah, Dan Roemer killed it. 271 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,720 I agree. It's really, really good. 272 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,480 And I agree. We were like, we we knew it's 273 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,520 like I like you said, it wasn't like we were worried, but it's 274 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,320 like, well, you're, you're removing someone who's amazing. 275 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,360 So like, it's a big shoes to fill. 276 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,640 In general, I thought this episode had the most powerful 277 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,840 music, just a huge variety of tones and emotions, which fit 278 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,040 perfectly because this episode had that too. 279 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,360 And there's a lot of back and forth. 280 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,880 It shifts from sad to triumphant to happy to uncertain to just as 281 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,320 so many characters had a variety of emotions, the music reflected 282 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,080 that. I think my favorite was Egg's 283 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,880 little bit of pedantry at the end, arguing over the number of 284 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,760 kingdoms. That was just so funny and and 285 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,800 just the kind of thing that us in the fandom that love the 286 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,080 details and like getting things right, you know, the nerdy 287 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,840 details. Yeah, technically correct. 288 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,440 He's the best kind of correct right there. 289 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,200 And I love how just flummoxed Dunk was like seven. 290 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,560 He's so he's just like, can't believe it. 291 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,880 He's like what? No, he just cannot accept it. 292 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,400 But it's he just counted them. Like you can't deny that was 9 293 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,040 kingdoms he just named and they're all real kingdoms and 294 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,960 they're all part of what he's like, yeah, what do I do? 295 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,680 How do I I can't argue against that. 296 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,440 But everyone really is wrong. They're like, whoa. 297 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,200 But also shouting out what a Shia named as the centerpiece of 298 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,080 Egg's performance. I would note that scene as one I 299 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,200 wanted to highlight as well. That was just really, really 300 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,120 well done. Not just because of how well 301 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,800 acted it was, the music added a huge amount to this scene as 302 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,760 well. Just while he's looking at the 303 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,760 mirror and while he's approaching Aryan and then when 304 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,440 Makar comes in. Yeah, just all of it. 305 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,120 Yeah, it's really, really good. The soundtrack is out now, as I 306 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:17,840 think. Did you say that? 307 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,080 If not, the soundtrack is out now and we'll talk about it a 308 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,680 little more during the wrap up next week. 309 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,360 Goldilocks plus two Bears says Dunk shows the ring to Rohan and 310 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:26,480 the Sworn Sword. Oh, OK. 311 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,000 I forgot. I haven't reread The Sworn Sword 312 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,640 recently. Certainly will soon. 313 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,400 I'm looking forward to rereading both of them again. 314 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,000 But yeah, I guess I forgot that. Cool. 315 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,400 So that still doesn't change too much. 316 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,200 It gives them a little less time to resolve it, but it's still 317 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,680 over a year before the next story begins or about a year 318 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,760 anyway. Lionel's recruitment pitch. 319 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,040 Let's talk about that. It's as a Shaya said, it's 320 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,280 pretty funny how the scene starts. 321 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,160 No dialogue, kind of like several other moments in this 322 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,360 episode is dialogue free. Just the end as well as as we 323 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,400 just talked about. So these are it's bookending. 324 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,320 And as a Shay also said, it's very valuable to start this off 325 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,360 with a little bit of humor because the episode has a lot of 326 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,520 sadness and it's kind of you're kind of expecting it to end with 327 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,600 begin with sadness because it was just how the last episode 328 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,520 ended. You would not expect some joking 329 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,800 at the beginning, but it was done in a way that is just was 330 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,240 really effective. Yeah. 331 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,440 And of course he's a terrible maester begone, which that's 332 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,400 really funny. But yeah, noticed. 333 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,360 And we tried to do some zooming in and and analyzing here of his 334 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,960 chain. It's very cool. 335 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,040 The chain isn't just a bunch of metals. 336 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,520 They're shaped in certain ways that give away what they are in 337 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,760 in addition to using the colors as clues. 338 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,840 So. So we've got a little quick deep 339 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,280 dive here into the Maestros chain. 340 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,000 I notice he doesn't have the hemorrhoid link. 341 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,400 But no, we've, we've always been a little bit really into the 342 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,960 Maester's chains. The links, the links. 343 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,840 We know what a lot of the links stand for. 344 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,040 We don't know what they, what probably half the links could 345 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,240 stand for. I want to pull up on the screen 346 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,680 as reference. This is from Game of Thrones. 347 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,560 This is what their Maester links look like in that show. 348 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,960 And it also has a very handily a visual of what they are 349 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,560 associated with. You see, we get black iron for 350 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:13,319 ravenry, copper for history, iron for Warcraft, silver for 351 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:17,319 medicine, Valyrian steel for magic, gold for like economics 352 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,560 money, bronze for astronomy, right? 353 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,359 They add steel for construction that isn't in the books. 354 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,880 They added that for the show. We don't know what steel is. 355 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,359 So I thought that was kind of interesting. 356 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,200 That makes a lot of sense, adding steel for that. 357 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,160 We know steel was one of the one, one of the links. 358 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,400 We just didn't know which one it was for. 359 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,920 So that that's a good, good choice, I'd say, yeah. 360 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,680 I think it's a very good choice. So to go on from that, I would 361 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,880 say that, OK, well, we see that as a comparison. 362 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,680 Well, what do we see here? We see this is an iron. 363 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,680 We're guessing that this is for Warcraft. 364 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:46,880 That's definitely an anvil, yeah. 365 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,080 Yeah, exactly. See. 366 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,720 And then we see here, it's funny because it kind of looks like a 367 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,040 money symbol. And I don't know that it would 368 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,760 look like our currency symbols, but I think it looks very much 369 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,560 like that's the yellow gold for economics. 370 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,360 To me. It's hard to say what we think 371 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:02,760 this one is. So if you have guesses, I'd love 372 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,000 to hear them. We don't get a good shot at 373 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,200 them. And I'm going to say this 374 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,440 maester doesn't have his silver medicine chain. 375 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,880 That's, that's my, that's my big joke here is that that's why 376 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,080 he's so incompetent. He's got Warcraft and money, but 377 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,440 he does not know how to heal him because he's wrong. 378 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,640 He's wrong. He tells him he's mortified and 379 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,400 going to die and he doesn't. He doesn't, Yeah. 380 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,160 So. The maester was clearly wrong. 381 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,000 You know, silver does have AI. Don't know, like an 382 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,480 antimicrobial. It does. 383 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,640 Yeah. Yeah. 384 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,600 Yeah, that's why it's silver, exactly, which I think we talk 385 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,160 about What is it like in an old The Citadel episode, we. 386 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,520 We talked about it once or twice. 387 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,920 Yeah. We even had a sponsor that put 388 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,160 silver in their in their clothes to make them have less sweat and 389 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,520 odor. Yeah, yeah. 390 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,120 You could put silver in like water to disinfect it or to 391 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:53,760 decontaminate it, for example. So Dunk gets a little upset at 392 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,720 Lionel's disrespect towards Baylor, but Lionel is not 393 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,160 abashed at all. He pushes back even harder. 394 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,920 It's a bad sign for House Targaryen when even Baylor is 395 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,000 disliked. Not that most people dislike 396 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,480 Baylor. I think that Lionel doesn't like 397 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,400 the Targaryens and maybe Baylor wasn't so bad or but he alone 398 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,560 doesn't make up for the rest of them. 399 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:13,760 It may be another way to look at it. 400 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,160 He he makes an interesting point about Baylor risking the least 401 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,320 by far of any of them. He's definitely goes too far by 402 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,680 saying he risked nothing. He clearly was something or he 403 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,920 wouldn't have ended up dead. But it he he does make a good 404 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,320 point that you know, the all those other people fought for 405 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,720 him and they had more to lose and they were risking more than 406 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,720 than Baylor was. Even though Baylor got maybe 407 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,200 unlucky, he was only risking danger from half the people on 408 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,080 the field or less, whereas the rest of them were risking it 409 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,320 from all seven of the well, let's you can eliminate Deron 6 410 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,440 of the others. So and he says the gods do not 411 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,320 favor of fraud. So he appeals to the higher 412 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,560 authority to it's a way to put an A period on that argument. 413 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,320 We ought we discussed earlier how maybe one of the guys in 414 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,320 Dunk 7 was out for glory and the others all had good reasons 415 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,840 besides that maybe friendship or or justice. 416 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,480 Lionel might have been the exception. 417 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,680 He might have just been there because he wanted some glory and 418 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,720 then Baylor goes and dies and steals all the attention. 419 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,240 So I don't know, maybe a little of that going on here or there. 420 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,520 What did y'all think about his his speech or his take on 421 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,800 Baylor? I was a little surprised. 422 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,600 What about you, Sean? Yeah, I was a little surprised. 423 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,600 I think he makes interesting points, but still, he's being a 424 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,200 little unfair and and you can see dunk doesn't quite buy it 425 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,400 either. You know what I mean? 426 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,040 Talks like, look, I get what you're saying, but Baylor just 427 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,680 died for me, you know, like maybe in theory he's risking 428 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,800 less, but that doesn't mean he's risking nothing. 429 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,720 And also he's risking less and that maybe he, you could, you 430 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,160 know, reasonably are you he's facing less danger, but there's 431 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,520 other things he's risking there, like his reputation, his family. 432 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,120 And you know, it's, I just think that Lionel brings up things 433 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:56,600 that you might not have thought of, but when you do think of 434 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,440 them and analyze them, I think in the end that he's being a 435 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,080 little unfair about it. Yeah, I thought that it was also 436 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,560 interesting. You know, he says only good 437 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,160 dragon is a dead dragon, right? Which is even beyond speaking to 438 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,440 Baylor and him being a fraud or anything like that to Dunk in 439 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,880 his head. He's like, well, I know and love 440 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Egg and he's a Targaryen and maybe he's hasn't had a good 441 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,200 record with Aryan or with Deron, but he does know and care about 442 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,920 two Targaryens in Baylor's memory and an Egg now. 443 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,520 And so I think it's just a non starter for Dunk. 444 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,640 Like even if maybe it would be smart for him to go with some 445 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,840 some big Lord and get taken care of and learn and all of these 446 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,160 things that makes sense. But he's just he's disillusioned 447 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,440 as it is. And then he's specifically 448 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,520 critical of this, this really harsh statement, I think. 449 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,360 It would be a similar unfairness, a prejudice, for for 450 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:56,160 Lionel to say all Targaryens are bad As for Dunk to say all 451 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,520 nobles are bad. Right. 452 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,840 Like he's had some experience, like he's got a new perspective 453 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,480 on the world and he's seen the nobles. 454 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,360 Knights aren't necessarily as good as you would think or hope 455 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,560 or, you know, his world view is coming into question, but that 456 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,680 doesn't mean they're all bad. He thinks Lionel is at least OK. 457 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,160 And Baylor, you know that there's you know, even if there 458 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,440 is this general belief or opinion or truth, that doesn't 459 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,440 mean there aren't exceptions. And Lionel is not allowing for 460 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,240 those and not allowing for them to dunk in this moment when 461 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,040 dunk, it's a particularly important to dunk. 462 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,760 It's it's slightly unwise. Even the way Lionel's presenting 463 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,200 this, even even if he was more correct, he's still being unwise 464 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,080 in this moment. Yeah, it's not, it's not the 465 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,200 best recruitment pitch. He's not reading the room or 466 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,160 which the room is one person. But yeah, he, he, he's also, I 467 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,920 don't think Lionel is fully aware of just how close he is to 468 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,120 Egg. I think that's, that's kind of 469 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,840 went under the radar for a lot of the, the combatants in the 470 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,680 trial. I think maybe Raymond clocked 471 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,600 it, but that might be about it. And he don't want, he doesn't 472 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,600 want to immediately sign up for someone that's saying he's going 473 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,800 to oppose the Targaryens because Egg is on that side. 474 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,200 It it becomes a warning. But almost like a less than a 475 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,600 warning in a sense. It's more of a threat almost. 476 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,600 I'm going to quote one of our Facebook group members here, 477 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,880 Dicky Whiteside, who said about the Baratheans. 478 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,120 These guys are built like human siege engines. 479 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,200 Give them peace too long and they start twitching. 480 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,120 Lionel's basically sitting there post trial of seven still 481 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,480 buzzing from the fight, patching up dunk like a bro. 482 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,120 And then he drops that line about a war on the horizon where 483 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:24,600 they could team up and be unstoppable. 484 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,200 But he's not predicting the future so much as manifesting 485 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,320 it. And I agree with that. 486 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:33,640 We know from the histories that there isn't a war coming anytime 487 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,560 soon, so if he's thinking of 1 then it might be him thinking of 488 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,040 starting it. However, I will say two things 489 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,120 about that that maybe makes Sir Lionel's prediction a little 490 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:48,600 more accurate or at least reasonable. 1 is that all 491 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,760 throughout the episode and throughout the season, we see a 492 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,720 lot of disappointment, if not outright hatred of the 493 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,920 Targaryens. It manifested a lot of different 494 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,080 places. Right here is 1. 495 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Raymonds takes the The number of people at the funeral is kind of 496 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,720 conspicuously small. There's a lot of little hints 497 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,680 and big hints about how the Targaryens are losing their 498 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,920 grip. It also speaks to why Aryan was 499 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,400 so, like, intent on pushing back against that. 500 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,720 He feels that and he won't. He hates it. 501 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,200 So that's a big part of this. And yeah, so you can see that 502 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,200 Lionel is he's he's rousing a little bit. 503 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,240 He's trying to aiming for a fight rather than preparing for 504 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,080 one. I thought there was a little bit 505 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,280 of a subtle hint that Lionel's using Dunk a little bit. 506 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,480 When he when he stood up, he used Dunk's leg to help him 507 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,040 stand up. It was like, I think it's a 508 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,880 subtle he's like, you're using him a little bit, aren't you? 509 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,920 Maybe he's using him a lot. Yeah, I think Dunk would have 510 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,880 been unwise to actually take Lionel up on it. 511 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,240 I think he would be wise to be under the umbrella of someone 512 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,360 with more power of a Lord or something like that. 513 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:52,680 But Lionel is capricious. He could turn on you on a dime. 514 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,200 He could just pick up and leave and you're just left at the 515 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,160 castle and you don't know when he's going to come back. 516 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,480 I just think it's, it's, it's not really a good lifestyle to 517 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,080 to live underneath him. Yeah, I was going to say, even 518 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,760 if he's not necessarily using him, he was being inconsiderate 519 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,880 when he uses injured leg to push off of, to stand up and the same 520 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,360 way he's been inconsiderate of talking bad about Baylor when he 521 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,320 just died for him. Yeah, there's a couple of like, 522 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,360 maybe not red flags, but orange flags at the least. 523 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,960 They might be red flags. So there's a that that line. 524 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,600 There's a war coming is also, I believe it's meant to be an 525 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Easter egg. It's a throwback to Robert 526 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,600 Baratheon saying that same thing. 527 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,840 And I think the second episode of Game of Thrones, he says 528 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,760 there's a war coming, Ned. I don't know who it is or who 529 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,720 will be fighting, but, you know, it's like it's kind of a weird 530 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,000 thing to say. I don't know who it is where 531 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,560 we'll be fighting, but yeah. But anyway. 532 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,520 But he wasn't wrong, Robert. And this is the same kind of 533 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,640 energy, like there's a war coming. 534 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,080 Yeah, there's always kind of a war coming. 535 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,080 So the second Black Fire Rebellion, as we all know deep 536 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,680 in the fandom, is not really a war. 537 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,200 It's also three years away. The actual next significant war 538 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,320 is a decade away, and that's the Black Flyer 3, which, 539 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,760 interestingly enough, might be. I would have a hard time 540 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,480 guessing which season of Duncan Egg Black Flyer 3 would be, but 541 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,040 it should be a season that's extremely important for us, 542 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,800 seeing characters that we haven't seen in a while. 543 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,160 We're not going to see Raymond in Season 2 or three. 544 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,920 Maybe we'll see him in Season 4. That doesn't seem very likely 545 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,120 either, but by the time of the third Black Fire, there's a lot 546 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,520 of characters that'll be back. Aryan will be back by then. 547 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,320 For example, we we probably won't see Aryan again until 548 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,120 then, but that's a good chance we see him then. 549 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,360 So I think that's kind of neat. He also makes that little a 550 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,800 joke, not a joke, but Easter egg remark. 551 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,920 Have you ever been to Tarth? Like, oh, Oh well, he will be. 552 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,560 He will be. Oh yes, he will be to Tarth. 553 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,680 I think there's a chance that Raymond and maybe some others 554 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,800 can make a cameo in the third story. 555 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,200 I, I, you know, they wouldn't have to really change anything 556 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,480 too much just to have them pop up. 557 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,280 And aside from that, they could have them pop up in flashbacks 558 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,600 too. They seem to set a strong 559 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,480 precedent of that. And that could be a way that 560 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,920 even when they're doing one thing, Duncan, remember when we 561 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,720 went and visited Raymond at his new cider house or whatever, 562 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,760 there's ways that could work it in reasonable ways. 563 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,480 Yeah. I mean, I think we'll see that 564 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,440 when we see Amen in Old Town or if we see Dorn that that would 565 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,960 be be a flash. So in that type of montage of 566 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,840 their travels, you could see them at do barrel with the baby, 567 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,240 you know, like as you see a bunch of dads. 568 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,160 Baby named Duncan. Yeah, baby Duncan, but yeah, I, 569 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,720 I. I think we. 570 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,680 Will get montage flashbacks in Season 2 that will cover some of 571 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,040 these things. And yeah, maybe we'll see 572 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,960 Raymond. That would be nice. 573 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,240 So we would love to see Raymond. Yeah. 574 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,640 So Raymond is the exception or one of the few exceptions. 575 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,280 Baylor is another one that yes, you met, you brought this up, 576 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,600 Sean, bitter disappointment, disillusionment might be a 577 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,640 better word for Dunk's experience of the of the 578 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,320 nobility and knighthood. He's just I'm done with Princess 579 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,200 is related to that. He he pushed so hard against. 580 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,920 He's so disappointed, so disillusioned that he had that 581 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,960 hard line stance that of course he loosens up on by the end 582 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,840 because he realizes that, you know, EG needs him. 583 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,480 We'll we'll go into more detail on that later. 584 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,720 But yeah, he still feels, you know, guilty. 585 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,920 Baylor is a good guy. He feels guilty about that. 586 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,920 He has survivor's guilt. He feels bad about the 587 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,360 Humphreys, and then Lionel just keeps going, calls Baylor's 588 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:08,520 funeral, the roast. Like, whoa, the roast, man, come 589 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,280 on, that's something else. So, yeah. 590 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,120 And that just isn't helping, right? 591 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,760 Like is if Dunk is disappointed with the nobility and how they 592 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,280 behave, this is not the worst thing compared to his prior 593 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,440 experiences throughout the tournament. 594 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,560 But this isn't helping. Talking about Peter Clappy's 595 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,680 performance and then, you know, Shay, you talked a lot about 596 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,880 that intra moment with the music, which I also loved and 597 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,480 how it was sort of a tonal shift. 598 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,880 But kind of what you're saying right now is he said that Dunk 599 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,440 isn't Dunk is still feeling miserable both physically and 600 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,440 emotionally, psychologically. And it you know, that we get the 601 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,960 scene. It's kind of light with Lionel 602 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,320 and the maestro looking over him. 603 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,480 But we cut the dunk and he's got that $1000 stare or a Yeah 1 604 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,360 yard scare. Yeah, one eye. 605 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,880 That was an eye and one Oh yeah, he Ravian, he slipped. 606 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,320 He. Hands him the drink and he 607 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,240 doesn't drink it. He just hands him the his. 608 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,640 Yeah, he doesn't even take a sip. 609 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,120 Yeah, yeah, Donk is still and and through the course of the 610 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,600 episode is still somewhat morose and he's trying to bring himself 611 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,480 up to some of the other people's, I don't know, 612 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,400 positivity, if you will. But he's he is still kind of 613 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,560 lost. I mean, he's talking about how 614 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,840 he brings pain and suffering to everyone, right? 615 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,160 Like he's speaking in such hyperbole, you know? 616 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,920 Right. And so, yeah, that speaks to his 617 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,720 state of mind. Yeah, like he's probably still 618 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,840 thinking. He's probably thinking about 619 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,200 Rafe as well. And yeah, just. 620 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,720 Yeah, maybe Tanzel too. Yeah, exactly. 621 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:34,760 It's very meaningful. You're right. 622 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,640 He's he's probably in as much emotional pain as he is physical 623 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,520 pain. That's certainly how it's 624 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,120 suggested in the book. He thinks about how Baylor saved 625 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,400 him twice because he also the advice about the wine and he he 626 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,720 thinks about how he looks at his scar. 627 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,000 He's always going to think of Baylor, the funeral. 628 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,400 Who are those people? We had a little excitement about 629 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,920 who these people are. And honestly, it was a little 630 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,200 bit of a disappointment. We don't really know still, to 631 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,000 be honest, but we do know that it's mostly or if not entirely 632 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,520 not who we hoped. At first I thought the person on 633 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,680 the end might actually be Mataris, which is Valar's 634 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,960 younger brother, Baylor's other son. 635 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,520 But no, that's the septon. Again, shout out to young Septon 636 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,440 who, but we talked about this a lot before so let's not get into 637 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,200 it, But I remain charmed by their decision to give us a 638 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,200 young Septan, a role that is normally cast as an old man, You 639 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,120 know, just just a cool choice. And I think that old man next to 640 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,560 Makar, the silver haired Gray hair guy, is a septan as well. 641 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,560 We weren't sure about him. I guess that he might even be 642 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,920 Prince Aries, but I really don't think so. 643 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,280 I think they I. Have a different guest. 644 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,520 I think they did away with the idea that this time a lot of 645 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,160 time passed that they'd corresponded back and forth 646 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,440 significantly with the king about how he was going to be 647 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,280 dressed. And thus they were just more 648 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,640 less time passed. There wasn't more people 649 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,400 attending. The reason I also think that 650 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,320 guy's a septon is he's referred to at the end or a septon is 651 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,680 referred to in the final epilogue scene and that guy 652 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,880 sitting there walking along with him, he's not riding. 653 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,600 So that that puts him on a lower rank. 654 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,080 But I mean, why? Why? 655 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,840 Why not just be the Ashford septon that they're referring 656 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:05,880 to? That's the septon. 657 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,200 No, he's that. No, he said the SEPTA, he's 658 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840 talking about their septon because I will ask the septon. 659 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,120 He didn't say one of the septons. 660 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,960 I don't think the Ashford Septon is who they could be referring 661 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,920 to. I think he's talking about one 662 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,720 they were traveling with in the show. 663 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,160 Why would the Ashford septon know where AG is That has no, 664 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,520 that doesn't. There's no connection there. 665 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,920 Regardless, my guess is because the woman is crying there. 666 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,760 I think we think that's that could be Elena Targaryen and she 667 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,600 married into House Plum. His necklace looks just like the 668 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,960 plum sigil. Yeah, that's a great guess. 669 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,600 I like that a lot. I would I would be more 670 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,560 satisfied if that's what it is, then if it's accepted. 671 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,760 But he's pretty richly dressed though. 672 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,680 Yeah, I mean, but he's. Not dressed like the other 673 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,920 septon at all. Like when he's not dressed. 674 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,600 Dressed like a septon. He is. 675 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,840 That does look like a septon to me. 676 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,440 He's dressed like a royal septon. 677 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,720 He's not. Dressed like a day-to-day 678 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,160 septon. He's dressed like a Targaryen 679 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,960 Septon would be, but that doesn't mean that's what he is. 680 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,240 Definitely doesn't mean that's what he is. 681 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,240 Yeah, I don't. I do want to say I don't think 682 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,040 he is Targaryen specifically because there's no red. 683 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240 The other Targaryen is all that black and red and he doesn't 684 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,720 have the red, but he might be like from the Red Keep and be 685 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,320 more royally dressed in the other septon. 686 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,240 But yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure. 687 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,080 Yeah. I think there's a good chance 688 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,000 we'll be able to find out who they meant that character to be. 689 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,360 We we had a great time discussing who might be there 690 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,520 with Sir Manfred because Manfred Dondarian is sitting there. 691 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,840 Of course, it's likely to be some other Dondarians. 692 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,560 But why are they both silver haired and young? 693 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,880 Our best guess is that, well, he he liked to have redheaded sex 694 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,760 workers during the trial. Now he he's just color 695 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,600 coordinating his sex workers. You know, the guy had some 696 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,360 silver haired ones for this funeral, you know. 697 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,520 Yeah. So I, I do like that Elena 698 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,320 Targaryen guest quite a bit. I, I favor that one. 699 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,400 I would prefer to be that even if I'm, you know, it's, it's not 700 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,520 a whole lot to go on here. I agree that the crying means 701 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,560 something, but people just cry at funerals. 702 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,480 Yeah, I mean, she's the only one that's visibly crying. 703 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,280 So I like to think that she's an old lady who grew up with him 704 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,080 and, you know, had him on her knee as a kid and all that. 705 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,680 That's my head cannon. I don't know that we'll find out 706 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,960 unless the actor is post on Instagram. 707 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,960 And at that age, I don't know that they're most likely to be 708 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,320 posting this old lady, you know, But like, but for example, Kiera 709 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,640 of Tie Rush has been posting a lot of BTS of her, but she does 710 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720 have that beautiful pink hair. You also see her at the ending 711 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,280 scene, which we'll talk about when we get there. 712 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,240 But you see her a couple times. We do know that you know she she 713 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,840 has a a a longer history with the Targaryen dynasty than just 714 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,880 this. Absolutely. 715 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,640 Yeah, sure. She's got a a future that's not 716 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,560 so great in in front of her with them. 717 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,240 So it was a great call for the camera to focus on Makar. 718 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,400 We got to see Egg. I like your theory, Ishaya, that 719 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,040 Egg is wearing a hat because Makar didn't want his bald head 720 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,600 shown off. He wanted to like, cover that 721 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,320 up. And I think that's a very 722 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,920 sensible guess for that I don't have. 723 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,640 A He's Taylor. Immediately. 724 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,400 He's like, I need you to make a matching hat for my son. 725 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000 He has to serve. He has to serve. 726 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,280 He must serve, yes. Makar may not be a great father, 727 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,680 but he is. He loves his children Despite 728 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,240 that. And he's a fashionista. 729 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,680 He's a fashion he's proud of. They have to look good, right? 730 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,840 Yeah. So that was his once again, Sam 731 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,320 Spruill did a great job here with his. 732 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,080 His expression was a perfect mix of of strength and pain and 733 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,719 guilt and just that combination is pretty hard to pull off. 734 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120 And like you said, Sean, I appreciate the injuries. 735 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,520 You can see the injury on his face and later he's limping. 736 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,320 However, you know, probably didn't get injured as those two 737 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,159 Kings guard. They look like they were just 738 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,920 totally fine. You can now we don't get a close 739 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,560 up of them, so we don't know for sure, but we see them in the 740 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,159 background in the at the burial and they are, they're both 741 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,320 walking around normally. So neither of them are limping 742 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,120 at the very least. But there was 3 Kings guard and 743 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,320 he the third one's not there anymore. 744 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,840 So I think he got badly hurt. And that that does track with 745 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,360 the novella. There was one of them that that 746 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,840 at least one of them who got badly hurt. 747 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,280 So they. Got some black eyes here. 748 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,000 You can see I zoomed in on them. Oh, really? 749 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,920 Yeah, they, I got some. I got some bruises. 750 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,159 Look at his his brow. Very good. 751 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,239 Yeah. Yeah, those Kings guard, one of 752 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,360 them never lost his horse. That was impressive. 753 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,040 Like, you could see near the end when Dunk is dragging, there's 754 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,200 still a Kings guard on his horse. 755 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,720 And I was like, good Dang, no wonder that guy's a Kingsguard. 756 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,640 He took Baylor's advice. That's right, keep keep your 757 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,040 horse like, Oh yeah, just simple as that. 758 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,280 Just don't fall off your showers. 759 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,800 Then there's the the scene with Valar, which was very well done. 760 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,680 I thought mostly straight from the book, except for the dyed in 761 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,680 my armor line, which was that was a really good line. 762 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,680 I thought they extended the scene slightly, which was 763 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,800 probably a good idea to it would have been really quick 764 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,640 otherwise. And that was a very deep I 765 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,280 thought line to add. One, I do want to say I did 766 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200 appreciate that line and that scene. 767 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,520 That's another example of someone who maybe could have 768 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,400 been picked for best performance, but it was just so 769 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,560 short. But Valor did, the actor did 770 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,760 really well in that moment with that scene. 771 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,800 But I, I want to point out one of my nitpicks, maybe my only 772 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,120 real nitpick, but also connected to another thought I had about 773 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,160 the nature of the funeral. So there might have been so few 774 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960 people there, at least partly because the Targaryens didn't 775 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,080 want other people there. Think about where it was. 776 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,280 It was up high on that plateau. It wasn't super accessible. 777 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,160 They didn't do it in the middle of the Ashford tourney or the 778 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,960 Ashford Castle. It was kind of removed and 779 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,680 difficult to get to, right? Remember, Dunk looked up and saw 780 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,720 the smoke coming and, you know, kind of decided to go up there. 781 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:17,840 They remember this scene was kind of split between gathering 782 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,000 around the pirate and Dunk showing up with LAR. 783 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,960 Well, Sean, can I point out what I have on the screen right now? 784 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,480 I don't know if you remember this, but in the BTS, which 785 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,720 we'll get way more into the BTS next week in our wrap up, But in 786 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:33,240 the BTS they do show the concept art originally has a line of 787 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,800 people up along like the cliffside watching and as they 788 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,960 they they, they pared it down quite a lot, but I think they 789 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,760 they. I don't think it's the 790 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,800 accessibility, Sean. I think it's the the 791 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,400 overwhelming theme of people don't like the Targaryens. 792 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,200 Like even remember what was the first thing Raymond says to 793 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,400 Dunk? Because I'm surprised you went 794 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,280 to the funeral. It's like, even even though he 795 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,480 was crying over Baylor, why would he be surprised? 796 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,240 You know what I mean? So I think that's just like this 797 00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,400 really pervasive theme. Well, it it could be he was 798 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,040 surprised because Dunk might not be welcome there. 799 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,000 Like, you're the one that calls this, what are you doing here? 800 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,040 It might have been. I mean, just think about the 801 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,080 moment whenever they're all standing around mourning Baylor 802 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,520 and and dunk walks up is everyone like, oh, Don come up. 803 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,600 We're so glad they'd be like, what are you doing here? 804 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600 I think would have been now that doesn't necessarily explain Lord 805 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,800 Ashford or many other people. I wonder too for based on a 806 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,640 concept or it might have just been like a filming a production 807 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,840 cost decision of how to get the people and where they stand and. 808 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,760 I seriously like that. That's that's that's we're not 809 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,200 talking. We're talking small money for 810 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,360 just a few more people in the shot. 811 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,640 Like I don't, I really doubt that they could also just use 812 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,040 CGI for that, like, you know what I mean? 813 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,160 Like, I don't, I mean. That concept art looks like a 814 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,600 real shot. It doesn't look like that. 815 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,440 Exactly. Yeah. 816 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,880 So I doubt, I really doubt that's it. 817 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,360 One or the other. My nitpick is Dunk was so beaten 818 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,760 up and bruised and stabbed in his legs, how did he walk up 819 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,840 that freaking mountain? How did he get out there? 820 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,560 He would have. Been a sheer determination that 821 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,520 crunch his armpit must have hurt a lot. 822 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,320 I know that's it. No, my connected little nitpick 823 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,120 is it several times he kind of put his hand up under it to kind 824 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,800 of support it because it's not like a modern technology cushion 825 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,360 crutch. It's just a piece of wood. 826 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,480 And so he would put his hand there to kind of create 827 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,800 cushioning between the wood and his arm. 828 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,560 But that's the hand that got a knife step through it like 829 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,200 anyway. Well, you can. 830 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,720 Doesn't mean you can't still use it a little bit. 831 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:27,360 You know, it was wrapped up really big. 832 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,160 Yeah. Anyway, I, I think we, we 833 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,600 shouldn't get into the assumption to the assumption 834 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,640 game on of injuries. We always argue when that 835 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,440 happens because we do. We just don't know how bad they 836 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,320 are. Yeah, I just wanted to talk 837 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,600 about Oscar Morgan here real quick. 838 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:46,120 Who played Velar? He didn't get the script until 839 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,400 the table read. And so he said in the BTS that 840 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,440 it was it was quite a different tone that he because he only got 841 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,440 his his stuff, which is really serious. 842 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,200 And so then he reads it there and he only then finds out he's 843 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,720 like, what show am I on? Like it was so different, which 844 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:01,960 I think is a funny. Thing. 845 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,200 But yeah, very, very limited role. 846 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,760 But he did a very good job. And I also really liked that he 847 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,600 had the same kind of soft spoken voice as his father thought that 848 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,080 that was a cool. Whether they cast it like that 849 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,000 or whether he he, I, I don't know, his normal speaking voice 850 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,520 is my point. I don't know if he put that 851 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,080 voice on or if he just talks like that. 852 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,560 They used that nice transition technique for him saying be 853 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,160 gone. Sir Duncan, you don't see him 854 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,840 say that. It's a voice over as Dunk is be 855 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,560 gone already. He's in the in the camp after 856 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,960 the funeral limping around there. 857 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,000 So let's move to that scene. We get the delightful end for 858 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,560 Raymond and Rowan. It's a few there's a few people 859 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,200 staring at him, but not too much. 860 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,160 It's not, you know, it's not overwhelming, but he still feels 861 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,880 like everyone blames him for Baylor's death, which, you know, 862 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,360 connects to what you were saying Sean about maybe he's wouldn't 863 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,240 be welcome there, which I think that's a good theory. 864 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,640 And, and even Raymond, who's very nice to dunk is like he's 865 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,040 like just feels like everybody blames me for Baylor's death. 866 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,840 And Raymond's like, I can't really say you're wrong, but I 867 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,760 don't blame you for Baylor's death because he. 868 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,720 Thanks him for Baylor's death. Yeah, it's true. 869 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,000 And this is a little bit of a set up for when Makar opines on 870 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,280 the subject later when he's like, yeah, people are going to 871 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,080 say that for the rest of your life, they're going to say it 872 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,640 about me, etcetera. So I, I really like this because 873 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,400 sure, they, they not only did they develop Raymond Moore going 874 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,240 into the the final scene, but given that and given the way the 875 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,000 novella ends kind of abruptly in terms of these other characters, 876 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,680 I appreciated them giving an ending, especially given what we 877 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,800 said before that we might not see Raymond for quite some time, 878 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,800 except for the possibility of flashbacks, which I, I do hold 879 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,960 out some hope for that. That sounds good. 880 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,560 So there's a lot of drops here, a lot of a lot of Easter eggs 881 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,800 and lines from the book. Basically several lines he says 882 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,120 in the book before the trial, come here or just after the 883 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,120 trial, come here. Basically the line about, you 884 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,800 know, better unripe green apple than a wormy one. 885 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,440 That's actually before the trial here. 886 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,680 It's after small change that comment about I think I broke 887 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,720 one of his ribs pretty much straight from the book as well. 888 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,360 That's really good. He says my father wants to start 889 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,400 a new barreling operation. What's the name of the castle? 890 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,200 He's going to found a new barrel. 891 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,800 Another actually, another thing that ties into y'all's idea 892 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,600 about the flashback is what do they they go to drink that 893 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,520 fearsomely strong cider at the Quill and Tanker? 894 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,720 Well, they could, you know, make a comparison. 895 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,240 He's like, well, we drank Raymond cider. 896 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,120 We can compare it to the Quill and Tanker Cider. 897 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,960 Her real name is Rowan Robinson, right? 898 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,120 So that's cool that she's Lady Rowan in the. 899 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560 She was so good. They're like, let's just, let's 900 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,160 just name your character after you, which I love. 901 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,680 Did you guys get the vibe that she he doesn't know like who she 902 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,760 was? He doesn't know that she was a 903 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,920 sex worker. OK, I there's a lot of debate 904 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,280 about this in the chat and I want to say there's a few 905 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,440 arguments for it. One, she's a very beautiful 906 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,720 woman. She's been up. 907 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,080 She's she's been up in the stands like in the noble stands, 908 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:57,640 the Manfred most recently, but that's again and when when 909 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,280 Raymond was was down on the field. 910 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,920 So he wasn't up there. We don't know that she was up on 911 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,360 the stands at any moment prior to that. 912 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,440 You do think that through partying and stuff that Raymond 913 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,040 would have seen Manfred with all of these red haired women and 914 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,720 you think Raymond might have noticed this beautiful woman and 915 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,080 said recognized her. It's very possible. 916 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,800 It's also just as possible that he simply has not seen them 917 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,320 together and he doesn't know this woman. 918 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,480 Like it is totally impossible. You can't say it's impossible as 919 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,680 I guess is my point. Absolutely. 920 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,600 Yeah, Yeah. So you could tell me either way. 921 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,600 I I don't think he knows. I think he's clueless. 922 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,160 And that's and Dunk sees that he's clueless and is not his 923 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,760 place to tell him right there. I. 924 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,520 Mean he. I think it's that Red Rowan 925 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,920 didn't stop Dunk's upward movement, his upward momentum 926 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,720 in, in society, in in the class system, right? 927 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,480 And he can't do that to her. This is her making a lying about 928 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,040 something, her one shot. Just like Dunk lied about being 929 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,880 a knight, she's lying about having Raymond's baby. 930 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,080 And this is how they're going to raise their cast in life. 931 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,000 And Dunk can't blow her spot up. Yeah. 932 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,680 She's like, yeah, she's like a sister in in, in, in terms of 933 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,280 their social position, their hierarchy. 934 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,960 Yeah. That's my read also, by the way, 935 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,120 that that even that look you had on screen a second ago, she's 936 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,080 looking at like I did it too, huh? 937 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,320 Good job, right? She acts like she's never met 938 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,000 him. Remember that. 939 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,760 That's great. She's like, I'm pleased to meet 940 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,520 you, Sir. Duncan. 941 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,120 He's. Like which? 942 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,680 Points. To the fact that that she's 943 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,640 saying that the party line here is I'm a lady named Rowan and 944 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,200 you don't know me and I was never with Manfred and all of 945 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,680 these things, right? Which again says that Raymond 946 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,560 has no idea. It's crazy the idea that like he 947 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,440 might interact with Manfred. I know they're not the closest, 948 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,480 but I probably she talked to Manfred and said hey. 949 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,960 Yeah. I think so I. 950 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,120 Can also imagine Manford doesn't remember her from any girl, 951 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,560 she's just some other, you know what I mean? 952 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,280 He knows her well enough. He was the girl. 953 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,560 She was the girl he brought up to the stands. 954 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,600 I, I, I think he, he knows her. I, I don't think we, we have 955 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,640 that supported that. He just has no memory for women. 956 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,280 So I love her. Her line of feels like a boy. 957 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,360 And she he's like he just, he totally swallows. 958 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,320 It's like, yeah, it feels like a boy. 959 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,640 That's women can tell that right? 960 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,280 He's just sure that that makes sense. 961 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:26,480 I love too that dunk is your dunk is not normally the guy you 962 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,920 want to try to do a wink nod type thing with. 963 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,400 He'd be like, what? You know, like, I don't get it. 964 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,480 But no, he got this one. Yeah, 'cause it's like you said 965 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,280 of Shea, it's because of their prior conversation about social 966 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,160 mobility and, and how they're risking their they have to risk 967 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,280 their bodies to for the entertainment of others. 968 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,760 And unless they get another choice and a chance like this 969 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,800 and. And yeah, and it is a chance of 970 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,240 a lifetime. But it is controversial among a 971 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,520 lot of people. It is Dunk lying to. 972 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,000 Maybe like his best friend, one of his closest friends, he does 973 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,120 just have to to keep this lie up to him and shows that Dunk can 974 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,920 lie. Yeah, that's true. 975 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,480 So the scene ends with Makar's guards arriving and it's not the 976 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,120 end for Raymond. But again, I really appreciate 977 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,520 that he gets an ending because he didn't really get one in the 978 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,440 novella. And the giving the character 979 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,640 extra development makes the the loss of an ending even bigger. 980 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,320 So it's a slight change from the book because in the book he's 981 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,400 just sitting by the Elm tree and the guards come and then Makar's 982 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,880 with them. But otherwise it's the same 983 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,760 conversation, it just takes place at the castle. 984 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,680 I kind of get that it's like Makar's injured too, so he makes 985 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,360 Dunk be the one to travel there. Also, they get to have a few 986 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,240 other scenes in the castle that couldn't happen out by the Elm 987 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:38,800 tree. You know, something about these 988 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,520 scenes with Makar 1? He has a book open. 989 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,560 We were wondering, like, we can't really see what he's 990 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,520 reading. I'm thinking it's Baylord left 991 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,800 the book open. It's the pages. 992 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,280 That Baylor left open, right and that it's still just been no 993 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,800 one's gone in there and touched the books. 994 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,760 And that's my guess on what Makar has open. 995 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,720 Is it stuff about trial by combat that Baylor was reading? 996 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,840 And I also want to point out how different the the ambiance and 997 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,720 the warmth is that they talk about that again in the BTS. 998 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,800 But it really was palpable, just like the cold light. 999 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,400 There's no not a lot of warm candles glowing and it just you 1000 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,640 feel that at all. The warmth has been SAP out of 1001 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,000 the castle, out of Makar. I mean, not that he had much 1002 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,720 warmth in general, but out of this room for sure, which is 1003 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,920 where Baylor was was set up. Y'all, this is a great time to 1004 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,160 reread the Hedge Night or to pick up The Sworn Sword or, and 1005 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,000 or the Mystery Night. If you haven't, go ahead and go 1006 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,360 to our website, get the get the book via Amazon or in the 1007 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,800 sidebar or at the merch hub. There's a couple different ways 1008 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,680 to do that. And while you're at our website, 1009 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,000 you can find other ways to support the show. 1010 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,560 Yeah, let's talk about Duncan Makar. 1011 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,120 Certainly Maikar's most powerful scene, as predicted and as it 1012 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,040 actually played out. He was humble and proud and hurt 1013 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,280 and vulnerable and bitter, but also determined. 1014 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,400 He furrowed his brow about 5 different ways. 1015 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,240 Expert Brow, a master class in brow furrowing. 1016 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:03,240 Or as one of our listeners pointed out, who Janine Stanley 1017 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,000 it was who called a Maester class. 1018 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,320 Yes, that's a better phrase for this Maester class in brow 1019 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,320 furrowing. As I said, the conversation 1020 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,440 takes place by the Elm, but otherwise the dialogue in the 1021 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,680 book. But otherwise the dialogue is 1022 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,720 nearly identical, except for the fact that they resolve 1023 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,160 everything in two conversations with some stuff in between, 1024 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,800 rather than one very succinct quick conversation. 1025 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,520 Here's what's on Dunk's mind in the novella when Makar makes the 1026 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,280 offer for him to be a household knight and to get trained at 1027 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,480 Summerhall. Quote What shall it be, Dunk, He 1028 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,560 asked himself. Dragonflies or Dragons? 1029 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,960 A few days ago he would have answered it once. 1030 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,640 It was all he had ever dreamed. But now that the prospect was at 1031 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,400 hand, it frightened him. Yeah, he's no longer interested 1032 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,320 in in signing up with the nobility and and, you know, 1033 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,920 really early, he's like, what if I can even House Targaryen, I 1034 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,480 could get a job with them, you know. 1035 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,200 And now he's like, I don't want a job with House Targaryen. 1036 00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,640 I don't even, I don't want Baratheon. 1037 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,160 I don't, yeah, I don't want any of these people. 1038 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,360 So that's a a big reversal and it is reflected in both book and 1039 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,360 show here. So he makes in the novel, he 1040 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,320 makes his pitch about taking egg on the road. 1041 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,720 It begins in the same way. I swore to be his man. 1042 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,360 And what of it? A lot of the very similar 1043 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,520 dialogue in in both cases, Dunk just rejects outright the 1044 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,800 concept of living with the nobility. 1045 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,960 He's he's witnessed the corrupting influence. 1046 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,800 He was brutally disabused of what he thought before. 1047 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,280 Yeah. So many people disappointed, so 1048 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,400 many families, most of the Targaryens, even Lionel bit 1049 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,080 Stephen Fosseway, the brute of Bracken, the, the farting guy. 1050 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,520 I mean, come on. They all laughed at him 1051 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:36,360 laughing, laughing at true knighthood, laughing at justice. 1052 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,000 Like, oof. It's also a redemptive moment 1053 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,520 for Sir Arlen. Behind the scenes here, between 1054 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,200 the lines, Dunk had been defending Sir Arlen's memory all 1055 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,440 along. But throughout the season, he 1056 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,440 was also coming to terms with maybe he wasn't so great, but 1057 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,480 now he it's a bit of a reversal, starts to go back in the other 1058 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,760 direction of actually, I get why Sir Arlen lived on the road. 1059 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,200 I get why he avoided the nobility. 1060 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,000 I get why he lived an uncorruptible lifestyle or a 1061 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:08,080 difficult, corrupt lifestyle, because it's keeps you, keeps 1062 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,800 you honest. Living the way Sir Arlen lived 1063 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,520 keeps you honest in the ways that are most important in in 1064 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,960 terms of nobility, nobility of the spirit, nobility of the 1065 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,760 soul, honor, just things like that. 1066 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,360 It's Dunk understands now why he shouldn't be trying to rise 1067 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,840 above the station of a hedge night. 1068 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,960 It's where he belongs. And that's a quite a thing to a 1069 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,840 land on. After the events of the trial, 1070 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,760 listener Christopher Stevens points out that the offer is a 1071 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,200 place in Summerhall. Oh, yeah? 1072 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:41,520 Well, he's going to have a place in Summerhall later, too. 1073 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,200 Dunk's instincts were right to avoid that place, right? 1074 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,440 For more reasons than he knew. This is also the scene where we 1075 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,200 get the title line right. You know, it's, it's a pretty. 1076 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,080 I think it's word for word, Sir Arlen. 1077 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,480 Everyday, even fall, he'd say, I wonder what the marrow will 1078 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,720 bring. And he suggests the possibility 1079 00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,240 of maybe the realm will need his foot. 1080 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,680 We know it's true. But of course. 1081 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,160 And if Makar, you know, had dreams, prophetic dreams, maybe 1082 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,680 he could agree. But of course he doesn't. 1083 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,680 He says not bloody likely. The realm has as many hedge 1084 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,200 nights as it has hedges in both book and show. 1085 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,440 Yeah, so that's a, it's a great set up for the rest of the 1086 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,960 conversation that comes later. A a great first part of it. 1087 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,160 And I was appreciated once again how much it sticks to the 1088 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,960 novel's dialogue and how well they delivered it. 1089 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,880 Sean, what are you? What are your takes on this 1090 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,960 scene? Yeah, I thought it was good. 1091 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,680 I as you pointed out, it's the other way around make our comes 1092 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,360 to dunk in the book, but for several reasons good reasons. 1093 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,160 I think they have it the other way around here because it 1094 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,720 allows the more back and forth with the characters in the 1095 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,800 castle and it the. Book thing like a share pointed 1096 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,840 out wouldn't have been possible. Yeah, showing the difference, 1097 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,680 the book thing, seeing him with the book open, seeing the 1098 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,400 difference in the room later with the castle. 1099 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,160 Like you're saying you wouldn't have interacted with Gwen 1100 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,560 Ashford right it? Was a eavesdropping and all 1101 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,600 those things it set up, which I knew they were somehow going to 1102 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,440 have to fill because because where Baylor dies in a book, 1103 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,480 there's only like, I don't know, 10 more pages in the whole rest 1104 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,880 of the story. And like how they can make a 1105 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,200 whole episode out of this. And they've been doing it 1106 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,360 throughout, giving us other little perspectives and fillers 1107 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,160 and scenes and stuff. And it, you know, and doing a 1108 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,000 great job with it. So, you know, no complaints. 1109 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,960 I think it was clever writing to to piece it together like this. 1110 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,440 Right on continuing with the scene in the stairs moment when 1111 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,400 AG was listening so he knew where to go. 1112 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,000 He knew that the dunk was leaving and he put himself in 1113 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,840 Dunk's path to confront him but didn't make it confrontational. 1114 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,400 Dunk is like, do you listening? Were you spying? 1115 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,720 He's like, no, he says it in the most guilty voice possible. 1116 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,080 I I got to point out, by the way, that I, I thought that was 1117 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,480 interesting because that's the closest thing to a direct lie I 1118 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,200 can think of Egg having told like maybe he can in his mind at 1119 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,240 least justify like, I just happened to be there. 1120 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,760 I was going to talk to my dad like I wasn't, this is my, I'm 1121 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,760 supposed to be here. Like I can see ways he might 1122 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,440 justify that, but I think it's the IT got similar like when 1123 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,360 Dunk kind of allows the thing with Rowan and Raymond, Dunk 1124 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,120 doesn't tell a direct lie there. I don't think Dunk has told any 1125 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,600 direct lies. But. 1126 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:24,520 He maybe, you know, a lie of omission or allowing someone 1127 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,440 else to lie or, you know, a kind of a passive dishonesty or 1128 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,000 something. But but that was I felt like a 1129 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,000 direct lie, but I don't. Know, I think I could told one 1130 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,360 other direct lie at least before, which was he said Meg 1131 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,960 asked him if he knew his father and he said no, not really, he 1132 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,560 knows his father. But he doesn't know him, really 1133 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,200 not. Really just said not really. 1134 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,200 It wouldn't have been a direct lie. 1135 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,440 He said no, not really. So I mean, I think that the. 1136 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,120 Engine the no to Not really. To me the no I think. 1137 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,120 It's also kind of like the omen, when they're like all who know 1138 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,600 you will rejoice and you're not. Well, what do you mean by 1139 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,200 knowing someone you know? I know who he is. 1140 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:00,960 I guess you. Could say that it's weasel wordy 1141 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,640 and not direct, but yeah I. Think it's yeah, it's weasel 1142 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,680 wordy and I think it you there. He has an out to where he says 1143 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,800 no, I don't really know my father. 1144 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,280 Yeah. And so I I think it's fine. 1145 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:15,680 If here, if Egget said no, not really, I'm just in a hallway, 1146 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,360 that would have been less of a direct lie, Maybe still slightly 1147 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,640 dishonest, but he just said no. And I and I almost feel like 1148 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,920 Dunk, you know, some people think the Dunk is lying about 1149 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,880 being a knight. And if that were the case, Dunk 1150 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,760 might understand this lie here. It's something that like you 1151 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,920 can't really prove Egg wrong, right? 1152 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,600 And it makes sense he would tell this lie that that that he's 1153 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,280 scared of getting in trouble or being in disappointment. 1154 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,440 And so I think Duck understands it, which is why he follows up 1155 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,880 with I can't do it now. He he assumes that Egg did here. 1156 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,840 He already knows what it means. Yeah. 1157 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,000 Yeah. So Speaking of his knighthood, 1158 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,280 the line, maybe you're not the knight I thought you were. 1159 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,000 Is is has a double meaning there in that sense. 1160 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,280 But Egg is basically saying something that Dunk hasn't 1161 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,160 gotten yet. He's going to get it in a few 1162 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,640 scenes. I know, like two or three 1163 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,000 scenes. But Egg is saying, look, I'm the 1164 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,320 weak in this case, yes, I'm a Prince. 1165 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,680 And maybe that's why you don't get it, because I'm a royal and 1166 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,960 it's hard for you to perceive me as weak because I'm so 1167 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,240 privileged. But honestly, in the face of my 1168 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:18,520 own family, I'm the weak. I'm helpless to stop the 1169 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,000 upbringing that I'm currently faced with. 1170 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,440 And this gets done thinking. And that's what happens right in 1171 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,040 the scene. He gets thinking and we 1172 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:31,960 transition to memory to Sir Arlen and the one of the very 1173 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,920 saddest scenes. I I grant you, Sean, the ending 1174 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,680 is possibly sadder, but this was really moving. 1175 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,960 It goes right to the opening shot, right where the season 1176 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,240 begins and with the voice over. Have you heard the story before? 1177 00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:46,560 And then it ceases to be a voice over because we're seeing Sir 1178 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,760 Arlen Frontal. And again, shout out to Danny 1179 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,520 Webb again here. He tells the story really well. 1180 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,040 It's like it's it's perfect. Careful about saying seeing 1181 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,160 Danny Webb frontal. OK, well said. 1182 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,440 Well said. He tells the penny tree penis 1183 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,960 tree story wonderfully. And it's. 1184 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,040 Yeah. So when they leave, each boy 1185 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,560 hammers their penis to the tree. No, they're Yikes. 1186 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,880 And we know this is where he dies. 1187 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,840 That's what makes the scene so interesting. 1188 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,960 This is where he dies. We don't know if this is the 1189 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,800 moment. His actual moment of death is 1190 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,960 ambiguous. They play with it a little bit 1191 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,200 when he looks like he's he's dead. 1192 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,480 Then he wakes back up. A true knight always finishes 1193 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,840 his story, dunks already crying. He's like, wait, I shouldn't be 1194 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:25,960 crying. You're not actually dead. 1195 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,920 But we know he dies at some point in this, like a couple 1196 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,960 hours later, maybe the in the evening. 1197 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,000 You know, it's just very close to that. 1198 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,880 And the story and he's telling, it's the story reflects on 1199 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,480 himself. He's never going back to Penny 1200 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,840 Tree. You know, he wasn't called to 1201 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,440 war, but still, he's never going back to Penny Tree. 1202 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,720 He's never returning and his his Squire Rodger. 1203 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,800 Maybe Rodger had his penny. Penny tree. 1204 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,320 I wonder if maybe we'll get that one day they'll go to Penny Tree 1205 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,360 and they'll and dunk. Will wonder which one is Rogers. 1206 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,360 That's a good call. Yeah, and of course, skipping 1207 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,520 ahead, the penny gets a full circle. 1208 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,320 Remember, the penny being in the hilt is a show edition, but it 1209 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,800 comes full circle because Dunk takes the penny out at the in 1210 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,280 that in one of those final scenes and puts it in the tree. 1211 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,440 And that was a really nice moment too. 1212 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,440 So now the sword is penniless in both cannons that lines up. 1213 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,000 And the reason I think this is part dreamscape and you know, I 1214 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,560 want to get y'all's take on this is the way is the tense. 1215 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,240 He's he's speaking to a ghost, I think. 1216 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,760 And that's how you can tell because of the tense. 1217 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,160 He says. He doesn't say why haven't 1218 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,200 united me. He says why didn't you ever 1219 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,320 night me? And then and then to Claire. 1220 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,440 And then for further clarification, he doesn't say 1221 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,560 were you afraid I'd leave you? He says he doesn't say, are you 1222 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,480 afraid I'll leave you. He says, were you afraid? 1223 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,240 Past tense. As if it's already a decision. 1224 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,480 It's already too late. So, but it doesn't, of course, 1225 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,760 that's not the point of the scene. 1226 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,960 The scene is it's it's more about Sir Arlen and and Dunk 1227 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,880 carrying on his legacy and I'm sure other things too. 1228 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,160 But yeah, that was a definitely part of it and. 1229 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,040 Yeah, I, I think you make a very convincing case. 1230 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,720 And it's something they've done before, 'cause like I said, I, I 1231 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:04,240 said during the shot of him, of Arlen shrugging his shoulder at 1232 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,400 nighting him, that was obviously a false memory. 1233 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,280 It was a, it was a, you know, fantasy. 1234 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,360 And so I, I think there is a strong argument that this could 1235 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,480 be that because of the tense, I think it is possible to talk to 1236 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,480 someone and ask these questions and use the past tense. 1237 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,520 And for that to be how you phrase it, I don't think that is 1238 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,360 illogical or nonsensical for him to say it with that tense, but I 1239 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,320 think it is good, a good clue for your interpretation. 1240 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,840 I don't think that either. I don't think it matters 1241 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,080 ultimately whether this is how it went down or how it didn't go 1242 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,000 down and this is just dunks kind of amalgamation of experiences 1243 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,800 he's had with Arlen, things he wished he'd asked him. 1244 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,320 What matters, you know, is that is that Arlen made this impact 1245 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,240 on him, right? Maybe we will never know the 1246 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,840 answer. I don't know that I need to know 1247 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,880 the answer. I think I like it because I like 1248 00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:03,040 the the show playing with kind of fantastical and non reality. 1249 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,120 I like that a lot. So I I would like it if you're 1250 00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,800 right. Or, or at least unreliable 1251 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,920 narrators. You know exactly how Dunk 1252 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,840 remembers this might not be. Completely accurate, yeah. 1253 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,520 And I would like to see more unreliable narration in Season 1254 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,960 2. I think there's a lot of room 1255 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,560 for that type of thing for great comedy, in fact. 1256 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,400 Right. Yeah. 1257 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,880 And I do, even though it kind of works against the case I want to 1258 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,520 make, I do appreciate that that catch Aziz because and kind of 1259 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,880 Deshaya's point, if they had switched the tense, I do think 1260 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,520 it works either way. But you know, if they had 1261 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,400 switched it the other way, we wouldn't be confused why about 1262 00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,920 what he meant or thought it was proof that Dunk had been 1263 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,040 knighted or anything like that. But they did choose that tense. 1264 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,200 They did choose that tense. It is noteworthy. 1265 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,960 But that it was so brilliant that they really strongly hinted 1266 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,920 that Dunk was never knighted, but gave everyone like you, 1267 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,680 Sean, who wants to keep, you know, arguing that he was 1268 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,080 knighted. You have there's enough 1269 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,440 ambiguity that you can still say that. 1270 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,760 And it's not explicit. Some people might say, oh, it's, 1271 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,320 it's proof, it's, it's not explicit. 1272 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,160 So I, I, I'm glad it's still ambiguous. 1273 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,280 I was, I wouldn't want it to not be ambiguous at this point in 1274 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,560 the story. I think it will be unambiguous 1275 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,360 eventually in the story going way further, but not at this 1276 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,960 point. But that split moment when Arlen 1277 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,040 seemed to be dead and don't get asked that question. 1278 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,440 I, I, I spent that split moment thinking, what? 1279 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,800 No way. I can't believe they're like 1280 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,840 creating this Canon like it's oh, oh, they're not OK. 1281 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,000 Yeah, that was that was a nice little trick. 1282 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,320 Yeah, I was like, I was stunned and all I was, I was ready to be 1283 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,000 even angry or, or for George to be angry, you know what I mean? 1284 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,360 Like, because, you know, I you know, I, I'm half joking, you 1285 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,480 know, about all this. But the fact is that I I do 1286 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,360 think this scene and all the other evidence everyone points 1287 00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,560 to about Dunk not being knighted, the whole thing is 1288 01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,080 that it's ambiguous that the George has gone to great lengths 1289 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:09,320 and the show also to make it clear that it is ambiguous, even 1290 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,480 if there's a lot of evidence on one side. 1291 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,720 That that they could have made it clear. 1292 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,880 It would have been easier to make it clear. 1293 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,080 It could have made it a lot clearer, but. 1294 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,720 All they had to do was end it where it was, but they added 1295 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,440 extra. There was more time and more 1296 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,840 dialogue and da da da. If they just didn't do that, 1297 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,520 they make a give you a clear answer. 1298 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,800 It was set up for a clear answer. 1299 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,760 It would've been easier to give the clear answer, but they 1300 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,400 didn't give the clear answer. They. 1301 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,800 Got closer to the truth without revealing it, right. 1302 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,400 They got like they zoomed in on it, but still didn't give you 1303 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,360 the. Yeah, yeah. 1304 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,480 That's, that's, that's, that's very well said, Sean. 1305 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,360 One from L AM J in the chat somebody noticed that color 1306 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,760 grading was different here than another flashback, so I did feel 1307 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,480 like it had kind of a dreamier tone to it than some of the 1308 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,160 other ones. I'd be curious to do a closer 1309 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:56,560 comparison, but also I wanted to give a mention to Arlen's line. 1310 01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,880 A true knight always finishes his story. 1311 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,800 A screenshot all of us will see for so long to George RR Martin. 1312 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,080 Unfortunately, I like I. Kind of rolled. 1313 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,160 My eyes when that was in there because I instantly knew how 1314 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:15,760 often I would see that quote and that screenshot applied to A 1315 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,000 Song of Ice and Fire. But you know, George is 1316 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,000 hopefully a true night. George is not a true night. 1317 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,960 Yeah, yeah. I wondered if that was a digging 1318 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,160 George or if it might turn out to be that way, or what George 1319 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,080 thought when he said. And they didn't realize that it 1320 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,160 would be so pointed and that people would take it that way. 1321 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,040 I think it was an accident. I do. 1322 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,480 But maybe it was George telling Ira Parker I'm almost done. 1323 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,320 That's a positive. Thing that's what you're saying 1324 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,120 he met on that line. No, I don't think so. 1325 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,840 I think it was a it was an accident and maybe an unhappy 1326 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,360 accident for me and a happy accident for many people on 1327 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,360 social media. Speaking of writing, you know, 1328 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,880 as we're sitting here, I just got a a text from T Mikkel, who 1329 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,160 is, you know, one of the writers and producers of both House of 1330 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,240 the Dragon and Night of the Seven Kingdoms. 1331 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,360 And she was in the BTS this time. 1332 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,800 That's right, actually showed her for once. 1333 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:09,080 So we were talking about how this show is bringing in a lot 1334 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,960 of people that did not watch either of the other two shows. 1335 01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,600 We've had friends that fall into that category that have watched. 1336 01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,960 It's their first experience with any sort of Game of Thrones TV 1337 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,720 show. You sell 'cause you're like, 1338 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,400 well, it's 1/2 hour, it's more comedic, right? 1339 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,440 That's not quite as violent. They still had to get warned 1340 01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,480 about some violence and hoarse death and stuff like that, but 1341 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,160 regardless they were more on. Board not a. 1342 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,840 Sexual either. It's a great point. 1343 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,800 Yeah, so she was agreeing. She's like, yeah, we're seeing 1344 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,440 people who are just not into Thrones at all getting into it. 1345 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,600 And that that'll just keep helping bring new people in. 1346 01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,840 And some of those people will also get deeper into the fandom, 1347 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,960 too. So yay, more books, we'll sell 1348 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,560 more readers, all that good stuff. 1349 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,080 Thanks to those of you on Patreon who have supported us 1350 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,040 all season long. We won't be slowing down. 1351 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,360 Of course, we have topic Smoot 2026 coming soon, the return of 1352 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,120 book and historical influence topics. 1353 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,840 And then, you know, come May, June, we'll already be getting 1354 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,960 into Hot D. So, you know, it's a, it's a big 1355 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,920 year for us, a big year for you, a big year for the fandom. 1356 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,560 If you want to join us and support directly, you can go to 1357 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,280 patreon.com/history of Westeros, but just go to going to our 1358 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,160 website. Historyofwesteros.com provides 1359 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,640 you with a lot of ways to help and a Shay has got a a thing to 1360 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,080 mention here as well. Yeah, I do. 1361 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,840 I'm always making different updates to our website, some of 1362 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,640 which lit don't always are, aren't actually like listed on 1363 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,560 our website proper anyways. So one of those is a merch hub, 1364 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,760 a Song of Ice and Fire merch that we like or have or think 1365 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,240 you might like or stuff like that. 1366 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,000 Some of it's on Amazon. So we do get affiliate stuff. 1367 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,360 Some of it's not I just like it and I want to link to official 1368 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,600 merch or stuff on Shire postman. I you know what I mean? 1369 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,920 Like I it's not all going to benefit us, but it's a 1370 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,800 assortment of different things. I've added some a Night of the 1371 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,920 Seven Kingdoms merch that's out now. 1372 01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:01,040 For example, there are now Funko pops up for pre-order of Dunk, 1373 01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,360 Egg, Lionel Baratheon and Tansel Tutal. 1374 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,040 So if you want to pre-order those you can find the link to 1375 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:12,080 them at historyofwesteros.com/merch Dash 1376 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,280 hub. I also have a page that's 1377 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,400 history of westeros.com/timeline and it's a thing I've been 1378 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,360 working on and it would show all a timeline of all the events and 1379 01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,720 it would embed. I'll put a preview of it here. 1380 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,880 It'll embed. And This is why it's still in 1381 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,560 the works is because there's a lot of episodes I'd like to 1382 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,120 embed in the timeline, but it embeds our episodes. 1383 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,920 So when you see prehistory, you see when giants roamed. 1384 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,040 When I Scroll down to the Roinar migration, you see all the 1385 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,320 Nymeria episodes and it links to them. 1386 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,320 And so that's a really big project, but you can get, you 1387 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,400 can see it a little earlier than most people if you're listening 1388 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,760 to our little here. That's right, folks. 1389 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,680 So yeah, check that out. I'd be scared to see Baylor's 1390 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,240 bobble head. There's pieces would fly out the 1391 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,200 back when it's bobbling. Like it. 1392 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,240 If they made that actually, that would be pretty great. 1393 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,840 So during the wrap up episode, quick preview things we'll we'll 1394 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,160 talk about some season long topics, things that are better 1395 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,920 discussed as a whole, things that build up, taking a step 1396 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,840 back to look at it like that. More about the trials, some more 1397 01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,800 additional background details. We'll look more about Sir Arlen 1398 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,360 as a whole, kind of everything they put together throughout the 1399 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,240 season. Maybe a few corrections, things 1400 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,520 we got wrong, things we've reconsidered, maybe a few 1401 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,480 opinions that have changed. We'll talk about the how well it 1402 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,080 it did certain things and how well it made us care about the 1403 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,280 characters, music, themes, things like that. 1404 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,000 If you have questions or things you want us to discuss during 1405 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,240 the wrap up episode, definitely let us know. 1406 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,400 You all are very good at making suggestions for us to talk 1407 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,480 about, so I would love to get some feedback in that regard. 1408 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:52,680 The Reverie, The ghost seen here, whatever you want to call 1409 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,880 it with Dunk we were, is revealed. 1410 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,600 That he's at a funeral or awake perhaps is more accurate. 1411 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,240 It's not somber. There's toasting and kids 1412 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,680 playing and I call it a bee's burial. 1413 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,680 It's actually a burial for both Beesbury and Harding, but the 1414 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:14,440 Harding coffin is very outshine by the Beesbury coffin. 1415 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,200 It looks like the Beesbury coffin is really cool. 1416 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:21,080 The bee thing was a really nice touch, and the joke about bee 1417 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,120 magic just topped it all off. And it's another really good 1418 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,520 example of the mixing somber and sad with some humor. 1419 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,160 And it's a good effect, I think. It makes a lot more sense what 1420 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,320 Ira Parker mentioned. Beesbury is his favorite minor 1421 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,040 house now. And the Reddit AMA because they 1422 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,000 have a lot of neat little details he's added. 1423 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,120 There's other cool things about Beesbury beyond this, but I can 1424 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,080 see why they stood out to him a lot. 1425 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,120 Not to mention Humphrey Beesbury with his honeycombed mustache 1426 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,320 and that the fact that he was the one of the people dancing in 1427 01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,960 the first episode in Lionel's tent that he really knows how to 1428 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,560 party. I'm not surprised everyone came 1429 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,480 out to to support both Humphreys, but especially 1430 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,840 Humphrey Beesbury. Rest in bees. 1431 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,840 Rest in bees. So it's not made super clear, 1432 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,000 and you all may have, it may have slipped your mind that that 1433 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,800 one scene where we see Humphrey Beesbury and Humphrey Harding 1434 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,880 have one tilt and that's the end of the jousting until Aryan gets 1435 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,920 involved. That's when the Battle of 1436 01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,560 Humphrey, we don't it's not made explicit, but that is what 1437 01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,160 happened. Remember, they broke something 1438 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,760 like 10 or 11 or 14 lances against each other until one of 1439 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:33,520 them finally won. We. 1440 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,880 Debated whether it was Beesbury or Peak. 1441 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,320 If you recall, if you're listening, that was that was 1442 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,040 that. Totally going to change my mind. 1443 01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,160 It was not Pete. I really. 1444 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,960 Don't think so, the guy said. Beesbury. 1445 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:44,920 It's. Beesbury. 1446 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,560 Still shocked that neither of us noticed the the the yellow 1447 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,960 mustache on the dancer in episode 1. 1448 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,600 Seriously. Ages later, but you know. 1449 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,120 So Harding beat his brother-in-law, Beesbury, in the 1450 01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,920 jousting. But Beesbury definitely won the 1451 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:01,800 funeral games, or at least his house did. 1452 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,920 Those are look kids there. I wonder. 1453 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,040 I'm wondering about those kids. I assume those are are at least 1454 01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,760 one of them. The one in yellow is a Beesbury 1455 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:13,280 child, maybe Humphrey's kid, and that would thus be Humphrey 1456 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,080 Harding's niece or nephew. Is that a girl? 1457 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,600 I'm not sure either way because. I think it's 2 little girls. 2 1458 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,800 little girls because I think a Harding Harding's sister married 1459 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,160 Beesbury. That's their connection. 1460 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,319 It could be the other way around, but look at this seems 1461 01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:30,920 to point to Harding being the OR to Beesbury being the one who 1462 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,640 married Harding's sister, rather than the other way around. 1463 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,080 And there's also two other kids playing, but we don't get as 1464 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,160 quite as good to look at them or we don't get words from them 1465 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:39,680 because you hear the. Kids, no, we do get words. 1466 01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:40,640 We do get words. From them, no. 1467 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,600 We get hard captions. We get words from two kids, but 1468 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,240 not all four kids. Is what I'm saying? 1469 01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:45,640 Yes. And it's very telling. 1470 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,000 Even those kids are mocking the Targaryens. 1471 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,200 So that's a really big deal to yet again, an example of anti 1472 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,040 Targaryen. They're all happy, they're all 1473 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,000 at this funeral, but they might not have gone to the other one. 1474 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,520 Blue Gravel was right to be spying on everyone. 1475 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,439 He's suspicious. Yeah, Yeah, you're right. 1476 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,520 So we get it gets a little more serious, right? 1477 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,200 Just. For a minute, you're going to be 1478 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:10,840 just just real. Can they? 1479 01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:14,200 The Kingsguard are actually visible in the background, the 1480 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,640 two that probably are responsible for killing Beesbury 1481 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,200 and Harding. So I guess they're coming to pay 1482 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,120 their respects and maybe there's no hard feelings. 1483 01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:21,800 The Kingsguard is like, yeah, I mean, what are you? 1484 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,279 What are we going to do? It's our duty. 1485 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,640 We, you know, what choice did we have still? 1486 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,880 It's kind of injury, but But who? 1487 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:33,319 But another presence that's more important catches Dunk's eye. 1488 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:35,359 It's Daron yelling out for a drink. 1489 01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,200 And Dunk is like, these people are dead because of you. 1490 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,439 And Daron just kind of like, does the shrug, like, yeah. 1491 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:47,760 And you know, And he then it goes to discussion about Egg. 1492 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,920 Dunk is just disgusted and ready to walk away. 1493 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:55,080 But Daron brings up Egg. Clearly, Makar or Egg. 1494 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,320 Someone discussed it with him. He found out somehow that this 1495 01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,520 was a thing, and Daron makes a comment about his little brother 1496 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,320 being a monster. Dunk thinks he means egg, but of 1497 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,400 course he means Aryan. Now this gets me. 1498 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,080 This is this is a subtle moment here. 1499 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,760 They they could have chosen any mundane activity for Aryan to 1500 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,520 have been fond of as a child, to show that he wasn't always 1501 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,840 cruel, sadistic, cold, whatever you want to call him. 1502 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,680 It could have been woodworking, or art, or models of Valyria. 1503 01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,120 You know, like the saris, or he could have been into horses, he 1504 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,880 could have collected miniatures, who knows? 1505 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,320 But they chose fishing and that's the same thing. 1506 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,160 Egg said he liked when he point when the scene about Donald 1507 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,720 Duskindale's rich crabbing family. 1508 01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:35,560 I was like, how do you know that? 1509 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,480 He's like, I like fishing. Maybe that was just a thing that 1510 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,560 he said, but I really don't think they wrote it that way to 1511 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,560 create that coincidence and didn't and weren't aware of it. 1512 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,320 So I think. This was like he'd also caught a 1513 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,000 fish when Dunk showed up at camp. 1514 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,280 Good point. Good point. 1515 01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,760 He did have a fish. You're right. 1516 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,960 It's episode one. Yeah, totally Good catch. 1517 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,040 So this is an ominous hint as to Egg's future, a suggestion that 1518 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,080 he's kind of on that same path or could be on that same path. 1519 01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,320 And that's something that gets to dunk. 1520 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,840 He's like, oh, this is what makes him finally realize that 1521 01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,000 he's miscasting Egg. This is what I was saying before 1522 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,320 about he didn't realize that Egg is a victim, That Egg is the 1523 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,680 weak here, that he's a victim of his family. 1524 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,080 Look at him here with this hat. This fit. 1525 01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:21,280 This is Mega Egg Nega. I don't know and he is a little 1526 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,360 tyrant dictator in the making. Doesn't he look like it? 1527 01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:28,000 How can you see him as weak? He looks powerful as make our 1528 01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,000 intended. You're right. 1529 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,160 Yeah, How could you? So you can see why. 1530 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,080 Those trappings of of Targaryen power right here. 1531 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,280 So Darren is not shy about saying, hey, look, you 1532 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,240 disrespect me, you don't like me. 1533 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,760 You're right to. That's exactly my point, man. 1534 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,200 If you leave Egg with me and Aryan and our father, what do 1535 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,680 you think's going to happen, man? 1536 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,320 And Dunk's like, oh, good point, good point. 1537 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,920 So he changes my, spins him on his heels. 1538 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,480 He realizes, oh, damn, I'm wrong. 1539 01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:59,120 I need to heat Dunk is I'm a true knight. 1540 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,920 And the way I can protect the weak is by making Egg my Squire. 1541 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,600 He's the ad. He's the only one that can do it 1542 01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:06,760 right? Because he's already said Egg 1543 01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,680 has already said that he will serve no other knight, which 1544 01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,320 means he's not going to be squired out elsewhere, you know? 1545 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,480 So at least in Dunk's mind. So he changed his mind. 1546 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,840 He was squired out elsewhere, they wouldn't take him on the 1547 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,200 road and teacher be a true knight. 1548 01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,720 They would do it in a castle with servants and conflicted 1549 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,200 loyalties and all the other stuff. 1550 01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:27,320 Well said. Yeah, it's it's very, it's a 1551 01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,000 very good culmination of everything Dunk's been thinking 1552 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,000 about and realizing that yes, he but he's framed it a little bit 1553 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,040 wrong. He's kind of misunderstood Egg's 1554 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:40,640 situation and that really gets him on a different path now. 1 1555 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,040 little criticism I have here. I get why they didn't do it. 1556 01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:46,680 The scene was perfect and succinct the way it was. 1557 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,080 But I kind of wanted them to talk about the prophecy, maybe 1558 01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,160 just a line or two to resolve that. 1559 01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:53,000 They didn't really do it in the book either. 1560 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,960 I mean, he doesn't talk to Deron again, so, you know, there's 1561 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,120 nothing like this scene in the book. 1562 01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,640 So I. Think it that gets to be a 1563 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,080 little on the nose to like. I mean, yeah, I agree. 1564 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,440 I think it might have slowed down the scene. 1565 01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,000 It was very lean the way it was. I agree that that that I 1566 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,640 definitely would agree with that it. 1567 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,440 It might have been nice for him to reference. 1568 01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,600 I guess it was Baylor that I saw in my dream. 1569 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,400 And then they start talking about Egg or whatever. 1570 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:18,080 Yeah. Like they could. 1571 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,320 They start with that. They have to they have to finish 1572 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,680 with the Egg thing for sure. Yeah. 1573 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,160 The pacing continues really tightly here. 1574 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,600 We have, if we back up just a little bit, we have make our 1575 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,360 telling Dunk, you know, or Dunk saying no and then Dunk meeting 1576 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,000 Egg in the hallway and then transitioning to Dunk thinking 1577 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,800 about Sir Arlen to transition to the funeral where he's, you 1578 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,360 know, in having this silent reverie to seeing all the 1579 01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:46,840 activity at the funeral to back to Egg with the fish and a knife 1580 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,960 stuck in the fish and there's flies buzzing around. 1581 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,120 It's pretty gross. And the knife is very 1582 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,080 conspicuous, like I said. So the music is really, really 1583 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,280 powerful. The the scene of Egg looking at 1584 01:13:58,280 --> 01:13:59,840 his hair, looking and feeling it. 1585 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,080 He's seeing himself in the mirror and he's touching it. 1586 01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:04,880 And it's something that he's very personally fixated on as a 1587 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,600 sign of his connection to his brother and to the rest of his 1588 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:08,840 family as well. And he just hates. 1589 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:10,720 I don't think he's seeing himself in the mirror. 1590 01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,520 I think he's seeing Aryan in Remember, he's dead. 1591 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,640 Yeah, I should cut mine off 'cause I didn't want to look 1592 01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,840 like you, brother. And now he's starting to look 1593 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,600 like his brother again. He doesn't like it. 1594 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,200 He might as well go go do to Aryan what Aryan would threaten 1595 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,200 to him to do to him right at that point. 1596 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,040 Sneaking into his room while he's asleep. 1597 01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,520 Put the knife between his legs. Yeah, he had to be thinking 1598 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,400 about what Aryan used to do to him there. 1599 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,920 And as y'all pointed out earlier, this is great visual 1600 01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,160 storytelling. There isn't a single word spoken 1601 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,320 until May. There's a knock on the door and 1602 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,720 Makar's like what you know, and it's it's Dunk again with 1603 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,840 amazing pacing. We're right back in it with Dunk 1604 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,120 because he's just there waiting outside with his final message. 1605 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,280 Egg's face changes a whole bunch of different ways. 1606 01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,520 Brilliant acting. As we said before, Makar also 1607 01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,080 really, really well done. I love how Makar's just in the 1608 01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,600 darkness and you, you get so lulled into not knowing what's 1609 01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,920 going to happen and then he's just there. 1610 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,760 It was actually, despite how sad and upsetting it was a light bit 1611 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,160 of comedy. It made me chuckle amidst being 1612 01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,920 very sad about this scene and upset about it, you know? 1613 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:17,880 Yeah, I had AI don't know, a thought, a question, maybe when 1614 01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:22,080 Egg dropped the knife, that was like a decision, you know what I 1615 01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:23,880 mean? That they didn't have to have 1616 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,240 that happen. And so it made me wonder why. 1617 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,720 Why did they decide that? What was that representing? 1618 01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,280 Was that egg like being caught? So like, all right, I'm not 1619 01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:33,480 going to do it now because I'm caught. 1620 01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:38,480 Or was that maybe egg dropping this, you know, violent thought 1621 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,920 because now the support of his father was there, you know, I 1622 01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:42,960 think. It is him betting. 1623 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:43,840 Though. Yeah. 1624 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,840 For now, he doesn't drop it until his father touches him, I 1625 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,400 think. I think until he puts his arms 1626 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:49,680 on hands on him. I think so. 1627 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,280 I think that you're right. I think it's that contact alone 1628 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,160 is pulls him out of the the darkness maybe a little bit. 1629 01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,280 And I really liked how he he leans like he, he he takes a 1630 01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,400 beat of, of, of him standing there and he leans against his 1631 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,240 father. Yeah. 1632 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,360 You know, it's moving. Yeah. 1633 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:12,520 And they both just kind of, I mean, Eggs crying and Makar has 1634 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,920 to be sad in this moment, knowing that he loves his sons. 1635 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,720 He loves Aryan just like, just like he loves Egg. 1636 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,280 I mean, and then she loves him differently. 1637 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:26,200 But he he does love Aryan and he doesn't want his sons to be 1638 01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,320 violent towards each other. It's really heartbreaking for 1639 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:30,960 him. Which, by the way, is part of 1640 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,800 why I push back against the idea that he was, that that was a lie 1641 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,880 or not, when he said I don't really know my father because it 1642 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,720 seems like at this moment he's like, you don't know this guy. 1643 01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,640 I mean, I can kind of believe it, but anyway, I'm not trying 1644 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,360 to bring that back up. That was just I, I forgot to 1645 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,680 mention that as part of my thinking for that point. 1646 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:48,920 I don't know if that changes the bottom line, but I think. 1647 01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:53,240 There's A to me, the fact that Makar would have been through so 1648 01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:57,440 much grief throughout so much of Egg's childhood would show that 1649 01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,920 I think Makar was probably pretty closed off about a lot of 1650 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,320 things. And maybe that's why I think 1651 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,680 that Egg doesn't not doesn't really know him. 1652 01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,760 Is is Makar has gone through a lot of grief and I doubt he 1653 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,640 really shared a lot of that with his son. 1654 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,680 This is not standard Makar. He hasn't been standard Makar 1655 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,680 the entire tournament. First he's pissed off about his 1656 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,600 sons and or worried and now this like yeah, so we haven't seen 1657 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,480 him like normal, you know? I do think it's interesting here 1658 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:29,360 and, you know, could go back and forth on what it might mean as 1659 01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,320 far as like, does Egg know him? But I don't think it would have 1660 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,360 been crazy either for it to happen or for Egg to expect to 1661 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,200 happen here. It's for Makar to grab him and 1662 01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,800 yell him and drag him out of there and slap his face. 1663 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,880 Like, what are you going to do? Kill your brother? 1664 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,680 Woody who? But he didn't do any of that. 1665 01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,960 He didn't have a mean, violent, angry reaction. 1666 01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,000 It was a calm, supportive reaction. 1667 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,760 And I think that's interesting on many levels. 1668 01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,640 Whether that means Egg knows him or not, or whether he's changed 1669 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:57,160 from what Egg might have known, I don't know. 1670 01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,520 So while he's waiting outside to speak to Makar, Glynn comes up, 1671 01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,680 apologizes and takes his side. And I think this is exactly 1672 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,600 where they were standing when she first approached him. 1673 01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,480 This time, the doors are closed, so it looks a little different, 1674 01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,960 but it's pretty satisfying. It's a bump in the opposite 1675 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,360 race, yet another one more noble that he's not disappointed with 1676 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:19,960 at least one more person of the very few who wasn't a 1677 01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:21,040 disappointment. Yeah. 1678 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,920 Like, she's really, really been crying. 1679 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,440 Like really hard. I mean, it's very traumatic. 1680 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:30,800 I mean, imagine being a 13 year old girl and not only is it your 1681 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,320 birthday, which is kind of irrelevant, but you are like the 1682 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,240 centerpiece of everything. And you're watching this 1683 01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:41,280 terrible fight to the death. And the the Crown Prince, who 1684 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,960 you probably thought was, was gallant, chivalrous. 1685 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,200 You liked you. You liked him more than than 1686 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:49,600 most, you know, other people probably. 1687 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,040 And and he's killed. I don't know. 1688 01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:53,240 Yeah. It's it's got a. 1689 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,920 How excited would she be? Like Ashford, they're not a big 1690 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,600 house. And like, all these Targaryens 1691 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:58,920 are coming. Yeah, she would have been like 1692 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,400 over the moon, like this is all these Princess are coming like. 1693 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,480 And then it just went so badly. Yeah, good little actress. 1694 01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,600 It's almost like a Sansa moment, right? 1695 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:12,120 She's she cut somewhat a dunk is kind of seeing a reality, right 1696 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,880 of all this royal pomp and circumstance you kind of 1697 01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,880 idolize, but seeing the reality of it is not what you thought. 1698 01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,720 And it's not good. She probably wouldn't have 1699 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,560 expected what Aryan did either. That might have been a real 1700 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,160 shock for her. Like, I wouldn't have expected 1701 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:25,800 someone like that to do that, you know? 1702 01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,440 And then she probably after seeing what Aryan did, she 1703 01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:31,760 probably would have been rooting against Aryan or expecting him 1704 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,920 to to be killed or lose. And instead it goes the other 1705 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,240 way. The good guy is is killed and 1706 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,600 yeah, everyone's talking trash about Duncan and you know that 1707 01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,520 he's a decent guy. You know, like, she probably 1708 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,440 hears lots of gossip and she probably does hear people talk 1709 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:48,000 trash about Duncan. You're probably right, you know? 1710 01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,960 Yeah, she might have wanted to cheer like Red did for Dunk, but 1711 01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,040 she's just. That's just not what a noble 1712 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,880 girl would do there. It's just not in her behavior 1713 01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,400 range. It's not not allowed. 1714 01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,880 It's not done. It's not proper, you know. 1715 01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:02,840 So Makar is pretty gruff, as is often the case. 1716 01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,720 He's just, like, impatient. Look at his face. 1717 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:06,520 Yeah, look at that face that. Is like so funny. 1718 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,120 Spit it out, man face. Like I have no time. 1719 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,160 Face right there. He's like, what do you want, 1720 01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:11,840 man? Face. 1721 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,720 Yeah. Every second I'm away from my 1722 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,480 two sons, they could kill each other. 1723 01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,120 And it very nicely picks up exactly where the conversation 1724 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,520 in the book is divided. So they they, they don't really 1725 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,240 miss a beat, even though there's several scenes in between the 1726 01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,240 conversation as it pertains to the book. 1727 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,240 Dunk makes his pitch and can come live with me on the road. 1728 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,360 Makar says, Get him away from his family. 1729 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,360 And Makar, you know, that's a bit pointed because Makar just 1730 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,000 saw what happened. He's like, well, maybe it should 1731 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,840 be good for him to be away from his family that he was just 1732 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,880 trying to kill. But he knows he's like he. 1733 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,040 Knows he's setting Aryan away though, right? 1734 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,480 Yeah, he knows he's sending Aryan to lease. 1735 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,440 Matter if Aryan's going to be gone, he just has to keep them 1736 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,160 away from each other for a little while. 1737 01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,360 Yeah, this is this is the spirit from the novel. 1738 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,720 The novel sells it like this, but it's more in between the 1739 01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,200 lines here. They're a little more 1740 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,920 straightforward with it, which generally makes sense for TV. 1741 01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,520 Yes. I mean Dunk, it's, it's not that 1742 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,560 Dunk is diplomatic about it and it's all, but it's true that 1743 01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:14,520 it's not just getting away from his family. 1744 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,120 Getting away from his family is is a positive, but it's not just 1745 01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,280 removing the bad influences. It's also achieving the good 1746 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,080 influences. It's, it's not just one or the 1747 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,760 other. There's the good, which is 1748 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,520 living on the road, living humbly, being honorable, that 1749 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,120 that's good. But it's so it's, it's achieving 1750 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,600 that and getting rid of the bad. You know, there's not just so 1751 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,520 Duncan's trying to focus on the, the good part rather than the, 1752 01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,120 the part that insults his family. 1753 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:42,000 And that's that's wise. But make our as proud as he is, 1754 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:44,680 you know is going to push back in that same way. 1755 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,280 Makar says it's his last son and he said he's so broken up about 1756 01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,080 it. But like, it's dangerous to send 1757 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,040 him out on the road with Jung. You know, like a lot of things 1758 01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,640 could take your son out. He could just get sick and they 1759 01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,000 don't have the easy ability to take care of his well, like when 1760 01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,840 he says he's my last son, it's not only like he's his last 1761 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,680 chance to shape like an honorable Targaryen, but also 1762 01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,640 like he's he's his like baby. He's his his littlest child. 1763 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,240 And it's dangerous. It's a dangerous world. 1764 01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,920 Make our sending egg with Dunk has always been a little 1765 01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:23,960 precarious for me, just in the sheer danger of living as a 1766 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,840 hedge knight, right? Sure, Yeah, and. 1767 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,280 The the the signet ring is is meant to defuse if anything dire 1768 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,240 happens. Egg is able to, you know, get 1769 01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:34,920 help. Right. 1770 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,200 And that's the fall. Back yeah, his his emergency 1771 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:43,080 like call 911. So he has that, but that's still 1772 01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,360 you have to hope that someone is honourable enough to to listen 1773 01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:47,600 to that. You have to hope that it's 1774 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,840 something that can be helped. I yeah, it's it's scary. 1775 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:55,640 I mean, he's like not even 10. Yeah, Makar, he's he's a little 1776 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,040 bit, All that sets you up here, Sean. 1777 01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,680 There's a little bit of conflict here for Makar. 1778 01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,520 Well, a lot of conflict, really. But in this particular thing I 1779 01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,480 want to point to, he wants his son to be noble, chivalrous and 1780 01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:09,480 honorable, a good representative of House Targaryen because 1781 01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:12,360 that's what he grew up with. He actually had positive 1782 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,080 Targaryen influences growing up, and that's unusual. 1783 01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:16,640 But Makar was one of those people. 1784 01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,120 His own older brother was Baylor. 1785 01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:19,520 His father was there on the goods. 1786 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,560 So he had a rarer experience. And he wants that. 1787 01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,400 He wants to continue that chain. He doesn't want to be the guy 1788 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,800 where that line of nobility and honor stopped. 1789 01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,360 Like he's like, oh, Makar couldn't carry that forward. 1790 01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:36,840 He takes it personally. It's a huge failure for him to 1791 01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:41,320 say I can't raise a good son so I have to pass this kid off to 1792 01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,600 someone else to do it right. He he it's a really hard thing 1793 01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,520 to admit that I'm a failure as a father. 1794 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:48,720 This is the proof in the pudding. 1795 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,920 And I have three of my sons aren't what I wanted. 1796 01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:54,480 And now the 4th 1 you know is. Fine, OK, he's not. 1797 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,120 He's a warrior, but he's not. It doesn't seem like he is 1798 01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,320 dysfunctional. We also agree with that, right? 1799 01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:01,480 Yes, yes, we. Don't know, probably it. 1800 01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,040 Might still be disappointed it's. 1801 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,360 It is possible that during Eamon's younger years, he was a 1802 01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,280 little wild and he, you know, even as a maester, you know, 1803 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:14,280 that he was had some drinking issues like Aaron, like there 1804 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,760 there might have been things that he had that were character 1805 01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:18,800 flaws. He was a child and a teen. 1806 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,200 Yeah, he was sent to the Citadel very young, so I kind of doubt 1807 01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,400 he was too wild because he was sent there when he was like 11. 1808 01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,000 But but Aaron sent him. So yeah, Makar did not like it. 1809 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,640 Makar didn't want it. So this is what he means by 1810 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,000 losing his son. I don't think he's not proud of 1811 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,680 his son, but lost him means that it was taken away from him who 1812 01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:38,240 sent away to the Citadel and he doesn't see him So either way. 1813 01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,440 But you're right, Amy, he's, I doubt he's disappointed with 1814 01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:43,680 Amon, even though he wanted a warrior son, you know? 1815 01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,960 Depending on how you define disappointed, you know, he might 1816 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,680 be disappointed and he's not this ideal hard charging 1817 01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:55,360 warrior, but there's but he might you might be disappointed 1818 01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,640 in that, but he's not disappointed in that he's a 1819 01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,800 psychopath like Aryan or drunk like Darren, right. 1820 01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,440 Yeah, I think it's interesting. A couple of things I want to say 1821 01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:07,640 here, and it's kind of to your point as he's about the the the 1822 01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,160 challenge of acting here. That maker is torn in so many 1823 01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:15,120 ways because it's a little hypocritical when he cuts in, 1824 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,640 he's like, oh, and his family, because he, you know, Dunk 1825 01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,520 wasn't going to say that, even though Dunk probably was 1826 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,960 thinking it. Many people are thinking it make 1827 01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,800 our nose. People are thinking he's 1828 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:29,400 thinking it himself. He just saw his boy go to with a 1829 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:33,200 knife to his brother. Like so he does know the family 1830 01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,440 has these problematic elements, but he still has his pride. 1831 01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:39,520 Like you better not say it. Well, what are you going to 1832 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,520 challenge my effect? You know, like he kind of knows 1833 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,960 it is an issue, but he he's daring Dunk to say that. 1834 01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,000 But Dunk can make points otherwise. 1835 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:51,640 Anyway, just a slight bit of hypocrisy from Makar. 1836 01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,680 But I appreciate that he isn't a complete hypocrite because he 1837 01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,120 does kind of acknowledge he does kind of he's my last boy. 1838 01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,400 Like he got it lets a little bit of his real self through the 1839 01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,160 facade he feels he needs to put up. 1840 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:07,640 And on the other side, one difference for better, worse 1841 01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:12,440 this makes in the book, from the book that Dunk goes to Makar is 1842 01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:18,000 a Dunk is a lot more bold here. It's different for Makar to come 1843 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,760 to Dunk and say, hey, what do you think about this? 1844 01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,920 And Dunk say, I don't know, maybe, but I want to do it my 1845 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,040 own way. It's a different thing for Dunk 1846 01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,680 to go to Makar and say this is how I want to do it. 1847 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,760 It's my way or the highway. It's a little bit bolder for him 1848 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,480 to go to Makar with this demand, if you will. 1849 01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:41,320 A&B in the book. Dunk hesitates about that line 1850 01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,800 where he's like, you know, Darren never slept in a ditch 1851 01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:47,320 and Aaron had some, you know, nice beef cuts and look how they 1852 01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,360 turned out. Dunk doesn't want to say that. 1853 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,760 Maker has to kind of pull him out. 1854 01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,000 Maker can tell that Dunk is hesitating. 1855 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:53,960 Well, that's a good. Point, he says. 1856 01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:55,440 Say what you want. Good call. 1857 01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:57,360 Yeah, good catch. Yeah, we're here. 1858 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,600 Dunk just offers it right up. And so I don't know if it's 1859 01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,320 that's good or bad, but an interesting difference that I 1860 01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,600 think has been inconsistent in the show. 1861 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,840 That dunk is a little more bull. I remember I talked earlier 1862 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,440 about, like his conversation with Baylor, he was a little bit 1863 01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:13,480 more lawyerly, like he's trying to prove that he's correct, 1864 01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,960 whereas in a book he was more resigned to have him messed up, 1865 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:18,640 you know? Well said. 1866 01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,320 This is some really good takes. Yeah. 1867 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,040 Make our He's just too proud, ultimately. 1868 01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,440 That's a big part of him, a big pervasive aspect of him. 1869 01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:28,320 He just can't allow his son to live like a peasant. 1870 01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:30,680 But as you say, Shay, there's probably some other things going 1871 01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,640 on there. It's not just that that's that's 1872 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,960 sort of an excuse. It does. 1873 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,400 I I believe he's sincere when he says that, but I don't think 1874 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:38,920 it's the line. I don't think it's the thing 1875 01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,360 that most bothers him. I think it's what he says a 1876 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,480 second later. He is my last son and the whole 1877 01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:46,360 thing about pride and raising his own son rather than handing 1878 01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,840 him off to somebody else. Now he is my last son is a show 1879 01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,760 only line. Pretty powerful one. 1880 01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,880 I also appreciate the book version where Makar just kind of 1881 01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,720 looks at him and walks off and it it's it's it's it does a lot 1882 01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,080 of work there, but that comes with narration. 1883 01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,400 So it's not actually nothing. It's it's narrating you saying 1884 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,480 he's walking off. So it's that's the difference in 1885 01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:08,360 the the mediums here. I think it's telling in a way 1886 01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,360 that doesn't take place in the book because there's no series 1887 01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,120 of long flashbacks in the book, of course. 1888 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:20,800 But one of the things that was a really important theme of Dunk's 1889 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,600 young life was it's not the location, it's not King's 1890 01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,840 Landing, it's society, it's humans. 1891 01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,600 Like, no matter where we go, we're going to be, you know, 1892 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,000 lowborn peasants or something worse. 1893 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:38,720 And so when he hears Aryan is going to the east, maybe the 1894 01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,560 Free Cities will make him a better man. 1895 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,240 Dunk's like, Nah, dah, no, a little chance of that, Sir. 1896 01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,080 But he doesn't say. He, of course, isn't going to 1897 01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,200 say that either. That's another bit of diplomacy 1898 01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:51,960 that he's like, well, yeah, maybe I shouldn't. 1899 01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,720 I'm so glad you mentioned that because I, I really, I, I, I 1900 01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,320 feel like that must have been such a jolt to Dunk in that 1901 01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:02,400 moment to hear that, you know, he had just thought about Rafe 1902 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,080 recently and must have stuck with him. 1903 01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:09,600 And yeah, I, I thought that was a, a really nice beat for them 1904 01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,160 to hit. And I wonder, I mean, they're 1905 01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,120 going to see that, right? They're going to travel around 1906 01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,400 and see the things are similar all over the place like that, 1907 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,000 that Dunk is going to see the whole, all the kingdoms, right? 1908 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,120 He's going to see all over and he's going to see people are 1909 01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,760 messed up, they have problems. People are honorable and nice 1910 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,080 there. There's a a huge variety of 1911 01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,240 people. There's no difference between 1912 01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,960 when he's up in the North and he sees the Northerners and when 1913 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,000 he's down in Dorne. Right from Dorne to the TO to 1914 01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,840 Winterfell, he sees that people are are basically the same. 1915 01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:40,960 Yeah, I agree. That's, that's a good point. 1916 01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,760 Yeah. He he's that's going to be a big 1917 01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,360 part of his education when he learned that. 1918 01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:45,840 And he's going to learn that it's true everywhere. 1919 01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,440 And he already kind of suspects that. 1920 01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,160 So it's just going to, he's going to, you know, prove that 1921 01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:51,760 to himself, I suppose, through experience. 1922 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,400 And Egg's going to endeavour to make it different nationwide 1923 01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,120 with the power of his hats. So here's a question. 1924 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,720 How did Egg learn that Dunk had changed his mind? 1925 01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:04,720 It's not hard to figure out. There's a few possibilities. 1926 01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,520 I think it's kind of fun to think about briefly, but he has 1927 01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,400 to have figured it out. Or he was told. 1928 01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:11,800 He could have guessed. I was like, why else is Dunk 1929 01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:13,120 coming back to talk to my father? 1930 01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,000 There must be some reason. He could have been kind of 1931 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,040 hopeful about it. Makar could have been muttering 1932 01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,960 about it afterwards, like that hedge night, blah, blah, blah. 1933 01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,800 You know, like he wanted you to come along with him on the road. 1934 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,600 I'd put a stop to that. He could have. 1935 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,280 He could have been. Hey, Father, what did Sir Duncan 1936 01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,600 want, you know? And he would have told him so. 1937 01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:30,240 But something had to happen there. 1938 01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,200 Egg either had to figure it out or overhear it again. 1939 01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,600 He could have spied again, you know? 1940 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,760 I have a thought, but I'll talk about it when we get to the end. 1941 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,600 OK, cool. So that's that's curious. 1942 01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,440 I wonder about that. But either way, it's not hard to 1943 01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:44,760 figure out something there that would fit to wonder how good of 1944 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,400 a father Daron was. King Daron, that is. 1945 01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,520 We know Jahari says a great king, bad dad. 1946 01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,560 Same with Daron, Maybe. Yeah, it's possible. 1947 01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,720 We can't assume Daron the good was a good father. 1948 01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:56,200 He was a good king. But there is no way that I would 1949 01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,760 consider those two things to have a whole lot of overlap. 1950 01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,320 Yeah. I think you can often say that 1951 01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,600 if someone's a good king, they're probably not as good of 1952 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,480 a father as they could. Have been because they just have 1953 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:06,840 to neglect a lot of things to be a good king. 1954 01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,800 Yeah, that's true. So, yeah, it's absolutely 1955 01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,240 possible that Darren was not a great father. 1956 01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:12,840 He was. He was definitely a good man, 1957 01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,240 though. So that's so my, I think my 1958 01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:17,280 point still has some merit, even if Darren wasn't a great father, 1959 01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,840 because he was still someone to look up to. 1960 01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,680 He's still someone who accomplished a lot, still 1961 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,840 someone who was respected. So in that sense, yeah, that 1962 01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,800 works. But I could see him, you know, 1963 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,680 being a disappointment in terms of, yeah, an actual dad, 1964 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,120 Jillsville says. Why was Eamon sent away? 1965 01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:33,920 Who decided that? Well, it was King Darren. 1966 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,800 It was this same. He was his grandfather, and he 1967 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:41,600 said too many Dragons are as dangerous as too few. 1968 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,120 But he also recognized the kind of person Eamon was. 1969 01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,400 He recognized early on that Eamon was Eamon was bookish. 1970 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,160 It wasn't. This wasn't random. 1971 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,520 So he's like, well, that's the solution. 1972 01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,040 We got a bookish kid, we got to reduce the number of Dragons. 1973 01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,400 Here's an easy Here's an easy call, at least from Darren's 1974 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,400 perspective. Maybe it seemed easy, but Makar 1975 01:31:58,440 --> 01:31:59,920 was against it. Let's be very clear. 1976 01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:01,680 Makar argued to get with his father about that. 1977 01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,120 He did not want it to happen. Yes, even more reason for him to 1978 01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:05,480 go. He's my last son. 1979 01:32:05,480 --> 01:32:07,320 He's already like had one taken from. 1980 01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,240 Him forcibly that he did not want to give up. 1981 01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,640 Yeah, Anthony Vasquez 7050 says. Interesting that Makar is 1982 01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,040 grieving. The loss of his brother 1983 01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,440 accidentally killing him, and Aegon is contemplating killing 1984 01:32:18,440 --> 01:32:19,960 his brother intentionally. Oh, good cats. 1985 01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,760 Yeah, yeah. That's a strong, like potent 1986 01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,000 parallel there, or reverse parallel inversion, perhaps you 1987 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,480 call it. Good catch there, Anthony 1988 01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:32,320 Vasquez, a sweet footnote we got. 1989 01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,680 That's right, sweet footnote. Dunk says. 1990 01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,360 I don't know, Chestnut. Stop asking me because we love 1991 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,000 when you talk to his horses, and that's a good one. 1992 01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:40,800 And then Sweet Foot comes running up. 1993 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,600 It's it's nicely done. Raymond continues to be the 1994 01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,680 absolute best friend a person could hope for. 1995 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:49,000 I mean, honestly, buying someone a horse is pretty small compared 1996 01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,640 to joining you in a fight to the death against the Kingsguard. 1997 01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:57,240 But this guy did both. So hey, it's like, wow, man, he 1998 01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,960 did this after his his money, his coffers are probably a 1999 01:32:59,960 --> 01:33:02,120 little bit tighter than they were because he's had. 2000 01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,160 To support more. He's not sharing his hand with 2001 01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:08,680 Stefan, you know, he's clearly has some amount of of resources 2002 01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,520 available to him still, but it's still a little bit more of a of 2003 01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,880 a purchase than it would have been a couple weeks ago. 2004 01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,960 Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong. And in Dunk's perspective, a 2005 01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,880 horse is the difference. In his life or. 2006 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,920 Not right. Like if Dunk loses his horse, 2007 01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,880 like that was his fear. If he lost in your child, it's 2008 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,000 like, well, that's it. I can't even be a knight now. 2009 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,400 I have to go be a criminal or something. 2010 01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:35,600 I don't even know. Like a horse is such a swing for 2011 01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,600 Dunk, at least for most people in the world. 2012 01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:41,360 Maybe not quite as much as Raymond, but like it. 2013 01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,720 It's, it's kind of like buying someone a car, you know what I 2014 01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,520 mean? And, you know, if, especially if 2015 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:49,080 you're like, in a relatively destitute situation and someone 2016 01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,200 just gives you a car, even if they're a millionaire, you don't 2017 01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,640 think that was nothing for you? You think, wow, that just 2018 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,080 changed my life, you know? Yeah, absolutely. 2019 01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,200 Yeah. I will say two things here. 2020 01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,920 One do you think this? Is now Rowan's horse? 2021 01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:06,160 Is she going to ride Sweet foot? Good catch. 2022 01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,080 I bet man. I also I totally. 2023 01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:10,720 Thought. Raymond was going to try to 2024 01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,040 convince Dunk to. Go. 2025 01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:15,120 To to his New Castle, to new Barrel and come to the reach 2026 01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,760 with him. And no, he's just supporting him 2027 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,320 going to live with Lionel, which I thought was a funny little 2028 01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,600 little thing. He's kind of assumed he would 2029 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,760 accept that offer. He assumed he would accept it. 2030 01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,160 He did. Well, I I. 2031 01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,600 Guess it's to be fair Raymond hasn't really set up. 2032 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,320 That he doesn't have the operation to invite. 2033 01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,160 Him to yet maybe he's like thinking of later. 2034 01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:34,840 But yeah it's still you're you're still right. 2035 01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,280 I like how Dunk just continuously shows his 2036 01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,840 tenderness towards animals. It's a recurring theme 2037 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,640 throughout the entire season. He makes the decision that he 2038 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,880 thinks is best for the horse, not for himself. 2039 01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:48,280 And Sweet Foot is a fitting name for an orchard horse that you 2040 01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,000 know. I love this little note here 2041 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,400 too. This little this little tidbit. 2042 01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:56,760 What did Raymond say after Dunk gets released by Baylor? 2043 01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,760 And he goes back to his horses in the rain and he's talking to 2044 01:34:58,760 --> 01:34:59,720 his horse. And Raymond says, were you 2045 01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:01,720 talking to your horses? That's mad. 2046 01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:03,880 And now Raymond's talking to Sweet Foot. 2047 01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:05,160 It's great. He's like, you know what, Dunk? 2048 01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:06,760 I'm going to start talking to horses, too. 2049 01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,000 You had the right idea. Gives them a green apple. 2050 01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:13,560 All right. Yeah, I saw multiple people on 2051 01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:17,280 social media ahead of this. Episode concerned for sweet foot 2052 01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,320 and the weather. We would get a resolution 2053 01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:23,560 closure for sweet foot. OK, I saw this many times and I 2054 01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:27,880 didn't expect to see this. And many people in the replies 2055 01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,560 were like, no, in the book we don't you don't see sweet foot 2056 01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,120 again, like everyone looked downplayed it. 2057 01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,320 You know, I was like, oh, we do. We do though. 2058 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,040 We do. And so I hope whoever those 2059 01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,960 people were who posted on threads or tweeted or wherever 2060 01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:44,840 you posted, I hope you feel so happy right now that we did get 2061 01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,880 sweet foot closure. It was very sweet, sweet 2062 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,120 footnote indeed. So, yeah. 2063 01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,720 So Raymond continues to be. One of the perhaps the biggest 2064 01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:56,280 exception along with Baylor, that, yeah, while the nobility 2065 01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:58,320 or something to in general, as he said about Lionel, I could 2066 01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,880 run the opposite direction from there are some exceptions. 2067 01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:05,840 I mean, no doubt Raymond is the top of his list in terms of in 2068 01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,440 terms of the living. He ponders his hand and his foot 2069 01:36:08,440 --> 01:36:11,360 and whether their lives were not worth that. 2070 01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:12,520 You know, he should have accepted it. 2071 01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,560 And it's guilt. You know, this is Dunk. 2072 01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,320 He's he feels responsible. He takes responsibility. 2073 01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,080 That's that's it. That's the kind of guy he is. 2074 01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,880 I hope that when we see a montage of flashbacks of Dunk 2075 01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,280 visiting Raymond and. Rowan and little baby dunk that 2076 01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,480 we see sweet foot in the in the orchard. 2077 01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:33,160 I would like that too. By the way, what did Rowan joke 2078 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,360 about with at the beginning of the first episode? 2079 01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,280 Ray Dondarian wanted to turn the whole world red. 2080 01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,000 Yeah, she's going to do it. She's going to. 2081 01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,600 She's facilitating that. I mean, it really makes like, 2082 01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:43,800 you know, fossil. Ways the reach. 2083 01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,160 There's a lot of red. Haired people there it. 2084 01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:51,400 Makes sense. So that is the the dunk kind of 2085 01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:52,680 after. He gives up sweet foot. 2086 01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:55,400 They don't actually say goodbye. He just kind of goes back to 2087 01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,040 thinking. He leans on the wall and is 2088 01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,000 thinking and then it kind of transitions to him making making 2089 01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,800 ready to leave. It was a beautiful shot how it 2090 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,920 it starts focused out on on the tree above him. 2091 01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,280 While you're like, what is he doing? 2092 01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,120 You know, you kind of wonder. I don't think I probably no one 2093 01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,600 guessed instantly. And so they gave everyone just 2094 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:17,320 like a beat to, to, to think about Dunk and, and, and what he 2095 01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:19,560 was doing. And I thought, I like, I think I 2096 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:24,400 always like it when they let you wander and let your mind just 2097 01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,840 wander and think about all the possibilities. 2098 01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,080 And I think you yelled out, Aziz. 2099 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,360 It's the penny. I think. 2100 01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,200 Like there was like a moment where it clicked because he's 2101 01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,600 like scratching around and like his sword, right? 2102 01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:38,680 So yeah, it was exciting to reel at 1st. 2103 01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,280 And they had shown Arlen. Yes, I thought he was whittling 2104 01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,280 because we'd seen one. We'd seen we'd seen egg 2105 01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,480 whittling. And then we'd seen young dunk 2106 01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:49,200 Whittle with Arlen and so like, oh, I guess he's whittling 2107 01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:51,160 because he's his mind's. I don't know, that's where my 2108 01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:52,840 mind was going. He's got a small knife. 2109 01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,080 So that would that's a seems like a good guess, yeah. 2110 01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:58,040 Gee, this is a. Great scene that we talked about 2111 01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:01,080 it already, but it's it's another example of several 2112 01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,880 scenes in this episode that have no dialogue at all and they 2113 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:09,880 really make use of the best parts of the visual medium, 2114 01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,120 especially as compared to what books can't do. 2115 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:16,320 This is a very entirely visual scene and it continues with him 2116 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,400 packing shield. He looks at the shield. 2117 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,840 He that's a nice show. Only touch he kept the shield 2118 01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,120 and it's it's broken in a way that the art isn't damaged. 2119 01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,440 So that's convenient. But hey, nice. 2120 01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,320 I like that the art isn't ruined. 2121 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,440 So he gets to keep that. He takes some time looking at 2122 01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:31,920 it. He's he's reflecting on it. 2123 01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,520 Then he puts it in his saddlebags and and shortly after 2124 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,280 egg shows up and says the book. Only the book line. 2125 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:40,200 My Lord father says I am to serve you. 2126 01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,280 Dunk probably doesn't even consider the possibility that 2127 01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,720 egg is lying, even though he knows egg is capable of that. 2128 01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,320 He wants to believe he also knows it's better for Egg, or at 2129 01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,200 least strongly considers that. Did any of you ever consider 2130 01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,160 this in the book? Because obviously we don't know 2131 01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:57,520 about the ring until the next book the the boot. 2132 01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:01,800 So I suspect maybe a few of you readers out there guessed that 2133 01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,360 maybe that's what happened. On the other hand, it's just so 2134 01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,640 quick. It's just like Makar walks off 2135 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,720 silently, doesn't respond to the comment about bloody beef and 2136 01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,480 sleeping in ditches. One paragraph later, Egg shows 2137 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:15,240 up. So it's like it's hard to maybe 2138 01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,800 have time to think about the possibility rather than taking 2139 01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,360 it on face value. And then if you just go read the 2140 01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:24,240 Sworn Sword, then that's it. You know that there's almost 2141 01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:25,920 certainly that make our gay permission. 2142 01:39:26,440 --> 01:39:30,600 But I can see how they were able to fit this different ending in. 2143 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,600 I don't think George intended it that way, but it's he might have 2144 01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,960 left it open for himself. George might have left that 2145 01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:37,840 open-ended so he could decide later. 2146 01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,120 And then between writing this book and the Sworn Sword, he's 2147 01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,120 like, OK, I'm going to go with that ring in the boot idea that 2148 01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,480 I was toying with. I yeah, I think Ira Parker saw 2149 01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:49,720 an opportunity and he seized it. And I think he seemed a. 2150 01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,800 Little sheepish in the BTS the making of about the decision 2151 01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:57,120 like little maybe concerned about the reaction, but his tone 2152 01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,000 in it was that him and many of the writers just were tickled by 2153 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,920 it and the fact that he was it was possible without flouting 2154 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,680 Canon right like that is a valid interpretation. 2155 01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:11,360 It is possible. It is regarding our poll. 2156 01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:17,200 I we, we ask in the poll in the show, did he steal make our 2157 01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:20,760 signet ring right? I think even if he didn't steal 2158 01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:24,640 it, there's easy, easily ways for them to interact with Makar 2159 01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:28,560 and get this ring, including in this, this series of flashbacks 2160 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:32,360 or montages between, you know, the start proper of season 2. 2161 01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:36,400 So I think he can actually get it from his father without 2162 01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,320 stealing it, and it can all fit together perfectly. 2163 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,320 Yeah, like if he puts out the APB, which stands for, you know, 2164 01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,520 Aegon Points Bulletin. And they just some castle, they 2165 01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,360 wander by and the guy's like, hey, you know, make our has been 2166 01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:51,600 looking for you, you know, then they have to, you know, resolve 2167 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:52,680 that. So yeah, you're right. 2168 01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:54,240 There's it's not hard. There's there's not. 2169 01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,560 I really don't think there's a butterfly effect here of any 2170 01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,120 significance. So I'll go ahead and say the 2171 01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:01,280 point that I was going to make earlier. 2172 01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:04,400 It might get into some stuff we're going to talk about later, 2173 01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,000 but it just fits right now there when we're talking about that. 2174 01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:12,080 I think you can have both. I don't think this is a OR. 2175 01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,000 It doesn't have to necessarily be. 2176 01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:19,600 Egg is straight up lying and ran off without Makar's approval. 2177 01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,960 Makar could have said something along the lines if you guys can 2178 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:24,440 imagine a million different. Scenarios. 2179 01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:27,520 They will all fall in the realm of fine. 2180 01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,080 You could go with that hedge night. 2181 01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:33,320 We'll summon him at the next tournament or I'll escort you 2182 01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:38,120 over there tomorrow morning or make sure he comes to see me so 2183 01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,600 I can give him the signet ring or there's all kinds of he would 2184 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:42,800 have. We wouldn't have said where the 2185 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,000 fuck is Egg got? You know he would have even like 2186 01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:47,080 he went. To that headshot, you know, he 2187 01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:48,240 would have known. He would know. 2188 01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:49,600 He would know where he went. He should go. 2189 01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:51,600 You know what I mean? Like, he kind of does know. 2190 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,680 So I might, I might. Exactly, he might figure. 2191 01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,960 It out like literally egg and dunk riding down the road 2. 2192 01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,520 Minutes later, 2 Kings guards might ride up next to him, say 2193 01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,360 hey, hey, where you guys going? Egg come back now? 2194 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,920 We got to do that. You know, it could be that 2195 01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,480 they're gone for two months and finally get discovered. 2196 01:42:07,480 --> 01:42:10,160 Or Egg admits to Dunk that he lied and it go back. 2197 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,320 There's a million scenarios, all of which make it easier for him 2198 01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:17,960 to get the signet ring, but at least one of them is that Makar. 2199 01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:20,040 And that was a question earlier. Is it? 2200 01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:22,640 How did Egg even know that? Don't talk to him again. 2201 01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:23,880 And maybe because Makar told him. 2202 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,160 Makar said, look, that night came back and I think he 2203 01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,080 convinced me. Oh, he knew he forgot the plans, 2204 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:30,480 but you can go with him. He know he knows he came back. 2205 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:32,840 Remember, like they're they're hugging and then dunk. 2206 01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,760 He said that the announcer. Says or the guard says Sir 2207 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,680 Duncan is here to talk to you, so he knows he came back. 2208 01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,200 Yeah, but anyway. But I grew you. 2209 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,360 I grew you overall. Point out that right. 2210 01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:43,760 Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so. 2211 01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,880 It is a joyous moment, it's got. Some call back to Episode 1. 2212 01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,320 He's just like in episode 1, when Dunk is telling Egg how 2213 01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:54,400 difficult their life will be. Egg's face just gradually lights 2214 01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:55,880 up more and more. He's like, oh, I like this. 2215 01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:57,480 Like sleep by the sleeping ditches. 2216 01:42:57,480 --> 01:42:58,800 Yeah. Salt beef. 2217 01:42:58,800 --> 01:42:59,560 Bring it on. You know? 2218 01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:01,240 Well, actually, he doesn't really like the salt beef that 2219 01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:05,400 much, but he likes the idea in general, the, the, the living on 2220 01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,160 the road. And so it makes him smile being 2221 01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,000 told that, you know, being given orders by Dunk. 2222 01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:13,760 He's like, serve you, Sir. And he's like, he smiles at that 2223 01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,800 correction. Also, That's straight from the 2224 01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,480 novel, word for word. I've never been so happy to 2225 01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:21,480 repeat a phrase so many times throughout a group of several 2226 01:43:21,480 --> 01:43:22,520 weeks. So that's straight from the 2227 01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,040 novel. Said it so many times. 2228 01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:26,360 Yeah. These two love each other. 2229 01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:30,200 I mean, in the show and in real life, between the scene, behind 2230 01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,280 the scenes content, these two aren't acting about how much 2231 01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:34,400 they like each other. They have a legitimate real life 2232 01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,280 bond. I mean, not hard to believe, 2233 01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:37,640 right? They work together so much. 2234 01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:40,200 They're both seemly, you know, cool people. 2235 01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:43,400 So it's a good example of this final scene of combining some 2236 01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,880 pretty heavy emotions with great humor, like they're joking about 2237 01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:49,560 stuff. And, you know, we know that Egg 2238 01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,320 is, you know, fibbing, if not outright lying. 2239 01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,800 And that gives it a little out of additive humor. 2240 01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:58,960 Now, personally, I, I do know that in this moment, right, Egg 2241 01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,240 does no, no. Well, I'm saying no. 2242 01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:03,120 You're right, we don't know that he is lied. 2243 01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:04,160 You're right, we don't know that he's lied. 2244 01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:05,120 At this moment, that's. True. 2245 01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:06,200 Yeah, you're right. So. 2246 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,080 I do. Want to say that I, I do prefer 2247 01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,240 the book ending. I, I don't like this change. 2248 01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,680 I do think it's good. I think it's a good ending, but 2249 01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,360 I just think it's like a nine out of 10, whereas I think 2250 01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,440 George is a 10 out of 10. I I prefer the weight of make 2251 01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,960 car realizing dunk is right. Yeah, I think a a lot of people 2252 01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,080 in the chat feel that there's more poignancies to to make 2253 01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:27,240 ours. Arc and to make ours character 2254 01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:30,680 and I agree with that but I think this is funnier. 2255 01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,240 Oh, absolutely. And so I want the funny. 2256 01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:36,160 And I think there's room for. Makar to hit. 2257 01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:38,840 That character beat and it gives a little bit more room and he 2258 01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:42,720 can see Makar now again in Season 2 for him to get that 2259 01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:45,600 moment right. So I, the jury's out for me. 2260 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:49,320 I feel like if Makar gets there and he gets some level of 2261 01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:54,120 acceptance with this, it doesn't undercut that as much to me. 2262 01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,080 But if he never gets there and he's always like bristling, I, I 2263 01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:59,720 don't know, I don't like it as much, then yeah, that's why I'm 2264 01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,880 taking the line that I am. Or you know, two things you just 2265 01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,800 mentioned to share 1 is. That Ira Parker seemed to be 2266 01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:07,960 saying it's funny, it's just a joke, you know, like they just 2267 01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:11,320 had this neat idea. I think he said we had a thread 2268 01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:13,440 of justification and ran with it. 2269 01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:19,280 So combine that with the fact that I, I like the idea that the 2270 01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,600 book, by the way, in the book, it's not clear. 2271 01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,200 You don't know. And like you said, it just 2272 01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:25,120 happens pretty quick. So you don't have time to 2273 01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:26,920 contemplate. You just sort of sort of make 2274 01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:29,760 this assumption because it's just a paragraph later, but it 2275 01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:33,160 was the next day, which would have been enough time for, you 2276 01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,040 know, whatever kind of conversations or plans to 2277 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,920 happen. But that's why I am kind of 2278 01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,320 choosing my head cannon. Is it? 2279 01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:43,400 Maker did see that Dunk was right, did decide the egg could 2280 01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:47,040 go with him, but just hadn't hammered out the details yet. 2281 01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,040 And Egg took off. And that's why maker is mad. 2282 01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,680 Like, wait, I didn't give him the signet. 2283 01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,120 Wait, where are they going first? 2284 01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:55,600 Wait, I got to make, you know, there's this thing he wanted to 2285 01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,720 communicate to Dunk and or Egg. He had a plan and Egg just ran 2286 01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,680 off. And remember also in the book, 2287 01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:04,560 Maker knows where Dunk is, and the show he doesn't. 2288 01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:08,280 So that's another reason he's like, he can't necessarily go to 2289 01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,240 where Dunk was because he was out of nowhere. 2290 01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:12,400 Dunk was where the Elm tree is. Yeah, that's a good point. 2291 01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:16,560 Yeah, he still could track him. Down there's only so many roads 2292 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:17,960 out of town, you know what I mean? 2293 01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:19,320 It can only. Move so fast. 2294 01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:20,920 They've got a bunch of guards that like. 2295 01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:24,080 I think realistically they just find him probably in a few 2296 01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:25,800 hours. I don't know about that because 2297 01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:27,800 it's not clear when Makar's leaving. 2298 01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:29,200 This could be this could be the next day. 2299 01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,400 Yeah, yeah, it's this epilogue. It's not going to be like a week 2300 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,680 later because Makar's like I want to get out of here as soon 2301 01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,280 as possible. We can't assume this is like 2302 01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:40,000 just immediately after, but although he would be, he would, 2303 01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:41,800 it couldn't be a lot that long after because he would have 2304 01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,400 discovered. It wasn't a hurry to get out of 2305 01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:45,080 there. He was just couldn't have been 2306 01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:46,120 missing for that. That's what I get. 2307 01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:47,640 That's what I was going. To say he he would, he would 2308 01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:50,200 have learned it sooner. Yeah, I am real curious. 2309 01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,400 Whether Egg will communicate with his? 2310 01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:57,560 Father before or after door, whether that would happen before 2311 01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:00,280 or after they actually get to door, that that's what I would 2312 01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:03,360 hope to see in the first episode of Season 2. 2313 01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:07,520 Make another poll. I'd say before Dorn, I think 2314 01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,160 within a few. Weeks one way or the other. 2315 01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,200 We'll have that be our poll for the wrap up episode then. 2316 01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:12,000 How about that? Sure. 2317 01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,000 Yeah. OK, so this this next. 2318 01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,840 Little second to last scene. It's the last scene for Duncan 2319 01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:18,200 Egg. It starts with where should we 2320 01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:21,240 go? Anywhere in the 2nd 9 kingdoms. 2321 01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:23,680 That was so funny. He's technically correct. 2322 01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,360 The best kind of correct. Picture perfect pedantry. 2323 01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:30,080 And then they actually show the title screen and Night of the 9 2324 01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,040 Kingdoms. That just cherry on top 2325 01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:34,480 hilarious. And then it sets us up with this 2326 01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:38,840 really poignant final scene with no dialogue, great music and 2327 01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:40,960 sadness. Well, it's actually that you get 2328 01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:44,000 the poignant scene before you get. 2329 01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:47,480 The the punchline of the 9 Kingdoms thing, Like it kind of 2330 01:47:47,480 --> 01:47:49,360 like you have this sad if you're Shawn, you're sitting there 2331 01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,480 bawling and then you see 9 Kingdoms. 2332 01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:54,840 Or maybe he didn't even notice because he's crying so hard. 2333 01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:56,680 I didn't even notice. Didn't even notice. 2334 01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,440 Yeah, I figured. I figured that might be the 2335 01:47:58,440 --> 01:48:01,600 case, but yeah. It is a night of the 9 kingdoms. 2336 01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,560 After the write off. OK I got that wrong. 2337 01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:05,920 OK, cool. That is for Maycar. 2338 01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,600 Which is why like, it's not a post credit scenes, it's a post 2339 01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:10,560 title card. Scene, you know, it's like a 2340 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,160 little bumper, it's an epilogue, right? 2341 01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:17,480 But yeah, I thought the title card there was so effective 2342 01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:20,960 because it was so like poignant and meaningful and sad. 2343 01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:25,040 The moment with Arlen and and then you get this this this 2344 01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:29,680 really funny visual gag. I very much approve as well of 2345 01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:33,280 of Egg's choice of Dorne also I. Just I also just love how 2346 01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,040 flummoxed Dunk was. I think I said that at the 2347 01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:36,960 beginning there, so no need to no need to repeat that. 2348 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,560 I was just so funny. I appreciate that Egg is the one 2349 01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:41,080 to suggest Dorne instead of Dunk. 2350 01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:45,800 It works really well because 1. Egg has already been shown that 2351 01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:49,800 he's very good at anticipating Dunk's needs, wants, etcetera. 2352 01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:55,080 This is a more more insightful than most, but he's already he 2353 01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:59,280 caught dunks interest in Tanzel right away, like he clocked it 2354 01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,840 immediately. So there's that. 2355 01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:05,520 But also egg had a Dornish mother and a Dornish 2356 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,520 grandmother. So a day in a Martel, which are 2357 01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,760 the extreme ends of western and eastern Dorn. 2358 01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,240 So he having curiosity about Dorn makes a ton of sense. 2359 01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:16,840 I mean there's just you don't need a reason to be curious 2360 01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,120 about Dorn. It's interesting, but this 2361 01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:21,200 really is quite fitting. I think I really liked the Nine 2362 01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,840 Kingdoms thing because like, yeah, you're right, it's 2363 01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,040 technically correct, but. It's technically incorrect too, 2364 01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:29,280 because there's also been way more than 9 kingdoms. 2365 01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:32,000 You know what I mean? Like the over over the years 2366 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,120 there's been 100 kingdoms because history is long and 2367 01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:35,920 there have been many different borders. 2368 01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:38,440 And so, yeah, there've been 9 kingdoms and there's been, 2369 01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,600 there's 9 main regions, but there's been many times that 2370 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,360 those kingdoms have been combined. 2371 01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,880 So all you can say many different numbers here, it'd be 2372 01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:50,680 correct as we've gone through during many different episodes 2373 01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:52,840 about the long history of Westeros. 2374 01:49:53,480 --> 01:49:55,440 You know, the like, I mean, there's like the petty kingdoms 2375 01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:57,520 period where there was like hundreds. 2376 01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,560 There were so many kingdoms, right? 2377 01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:01,280 There used to be so many. It's true. 2378 01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,400 At one point there was only 5 in fact, like. 2379 01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,040 When Aegon. To conquer came I. 2380 01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:08,640 Think there were only 5 because the Iron Islands had taken over 2381 01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,360 the No, there were seven. That's why it's seven. 2382 01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:12,680 That's why it's named 7, because there were seven at the time. 2383 01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:14,960 Yeah, there were 7. At the time, but more regions 2384 01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,480 than that and they also kind of like splintered. 2385 01:50:17,480 --> 01:50:20,560 Off some of them became 9 Sean because they added the crown 2386 01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,120 lands and then split and then they split. 2387 01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,800 The one that was combined, that's how it went from 7:00 to 2388 01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,000 9:00. OK, Yeah, well, then they also 2389 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,720 had a Dorn. No, they just agon. 2390 01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,280 Claimed Dorn without conquering it. 2391 01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:36,800 He was just being arrogant. Yeah, or or getting ahead of 2392 01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:37,760 himself. Either one. 2393 01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:40,200 But he he he considered. Himself the rule Dorn, even 2394 01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:44,080 though he clearly didn't. One quick minor note it it 2395 01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,080 doesn't really take away or change anything. 2396 01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:50,480 But Dark was about to say Dorn in the subtitles. 2397 01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:53,360 It like cuts off the word Dorn. Oh really? 2398 01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,560 So they were when Egg says 9 Kingdoms. 2399 01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:58,080 Dunk was about to say Dorn. And egg says 9. 2400 01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:01,520 Kingdoms and Dunk's like what? And they go on the whole tangent 2401 01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:05,160 but he was going to say it on his own catch. 2402 01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:06,560 Good catch, definitely didn't see that. 2403 01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,520 So as they ride off into the sunset, it's like a proper. 2404 01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:13,000 Western, this is had a western vibe all along and the ending 2405 01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:16,480 really reflects out even more. Like it's not literally the 2406 01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:19,200 sunset, but the Sky's bright off to the right there. 2407 01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:22,360 You sort of see the sun. So Arlen is with them. 2408 01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:24,840 That's we talked about that. It's really poignant, really, 2409 01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,680 really great way to show it. But it's fantastical elements 2410 01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,920 and the level of unreality that they have in the show. 2411 01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:32,600 Right. That they do do this, that they 2412 01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:35,200 have. There's no ghost of Arlen right 2413 01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:36,440 there. We all know that. 2414 01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,760 Yeah. It's all like imagery. 2415 01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:40,280 Yeah, They. They. 2416 01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:43,680 They play with that in this show. 2417 01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:44,360 When? They. 2418 01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:46,240 Hadn't done that in the previous. 2419 01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:49,720 Two shows at all really, other than a prophecy. 2420 01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:53,800 Like in a prophecy or a dream? Damon's dreams is yeah, but 2421 01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,160 that's. Again, still with a prophecy or 2422 01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:59,360 a dream, It's not just your imagination. 2423 01:51:59,480 --> 01:52:03,080 Those are two very different like implementations of it. 2424 01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:07,760 I get I I worth mentioning, but I still think seeing something 2425 01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:11,240 in a prophecy or a dream is very different than like imagining 2426 01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:15,480 Arlen shrugging at you, right? Yeah, yeah, I agree. 2427 01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:18,560 And so he's he's basically he's riding off with Arlen. 2428 01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,640 Arlen is is still his heritage, so to speak. 2429 01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,560 Egg is his future. Dunk is but but Sir Arlen is his 2430 01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:25,800 past. That's where he came from. 2431 01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:28,880 That's the man he intends to live for, to live up to. 2432 01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:32,200 But also Baylor. He has to, in his mind, he has 2433 01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:36,400 to replace or make up for the loss of Baylor. 2434 01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:40,120 Like he's responsible for that. So it's his job to make Westeros 2435 01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:44,160 a better place because it's his fault that Baylor is is no 2436 01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:47,880 longer part of it. And Sir Arlen's upbringing 2437 01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:50,360 prepares him for that. So it's a really nice combo 2438 01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:53,360 there kind of between the lines. All right, let's talk about the 2439 01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:55,440 epilogue, the Targaryen epilogue. 2440 01:52:55,880 --> 01:53:01,320 There's a few kind of tidbits you can see visually as Makar is 2441 01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,840 riding around, like looking and where's Aegon Dare. 2442 01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,440 You can see Dare on drinking. He's just tilting back his cut 2443 01:53:06,440 --> 01:53:08,920 his his his wineskin or whatever. 2444 01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:11,400 And I kind of think like he was waiting for Makar to look away 2445 01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:13,600 before he took a drink. I'm not sure about that, but 2446 01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:17,160 kind of gave that vibe. You can also see Aryan looking 2447 01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:21,200 very rough and Valor riding all. The all the Princess, all the 2448 01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,320 men are riding up front. Yeah. 2449 01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:26,160 And Kiara's walking, which is that's kind of suggestive about 2450 01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:29,360 the the. Their marriage being very 2451 01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:32,720 political, not so warm is she's walking way back there and he's 2452 01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:34,400 riding to get her steps. Disease. 2453 01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,560 She's gotta get her steps every day. 2454 01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:37,880 Her Fitbit? Yeah. 2455 01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,680 I was telling her that she didn't have enough steps but she 2456 01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:42,840 is near some. Other like silver and blonde 2457 01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,200 haired individuals. It's interesting. 2458 01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:47,520 I would have expected these these people to be in a 2459 01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:49,440 carriage. And I think the only reason 2460 01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:52,760 they're not in a carriage is for the visual impact for us rather 2461 01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:56,080 than hiding them all away, like show the people they cast. 2462 01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:58,240 I don't know. I would assume they would not be 2463 01:53:58,240 --> 01:53:59,840 walking. That's probably true. 2464 01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:00,720 Yeah. Yeah. 2465 01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,160 I also appreciate this moment. Another one. 2466 01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,080 I was going. To mention, you know, after. 2467 01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:09,760 Dunk puts the penny in a tree and he's jumping over that stone 2468 01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:13,440 fence or whatever. I, I was even in my mind, I was 2469 01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:15,240 ready. Like if he just hurdles over 2470 01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:17,240 this like it's nothing. But he didn't. 2471 01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:20,120 He like, grimaced and groaned and slowly climbed over because 2472 01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:23,440 he's still so beat up. And same thing here with Aryan. 2473 01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:25,200 I'm glad he's not riding a horse. 2474 01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,480 He got his inner thigh ripped open. 2475 01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:29,240 How could he sit a saddle? Right now? 2476 01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:33,480 He's sitting in a carriage. I appreciate that continuity, if 2477 01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:35,160 you will. He looks so rough. 2478 01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:37,720 And grumpy. It's such a comical image to me, 2479 01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:40,240 just like. For that to be what they start 2480 01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:44,800 with is him beat up. Finn Bennett was talking about 2481 01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,720 how he's like. However, from now on, when 2482 01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:49,000 people do. Fan art of Aryan. 2483 01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,440 It's going to be me. And then he goes, I want a thing 2484 01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:53,720 to say. It's like very Aryan. 2485 01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:55,800 It's a very Aryan type thing to say. 2486 01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:57,920 Unfortunately for him, but it's. Cute. 2487 01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:01,840 I like it when the actor is just genuinely appreciate having 2488 01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,200 fans, having a fan base and having such like an engaged, 2489 01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:09,480 artistic, creative fan base. It's it's a bummer when people 2490 01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:13,240 are just kind of turned off by it and can't appreciate it 2491 01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:14,840 because it is unnerving, I'm sure. 2492 01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:19,200 But there is a real joy, I think, to getting people tagging 2493 01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:22,680 you and you like, I mean, you I've seen of Aryan specifically, 2494 01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:26,480 I've seen some of the most beautiful, like, you know, like 2495 01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:31,400 Renaissance type paintings, you know, like beautiful elaborate 2496 01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:34,240 paintings of him. And yeah, that's lovely. 2497 01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:39,080 Yeah. And it's, it's also just, you 2498 01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:40,240 know. Like you said, it's better to be 2499 01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:42,720 like that than I don't like a Stephen Dillane who just like 2500 01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:45,240 didn't get it, you know, He's like, I don't get the. 2501 01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:47,280 I didn't enjoy my time on Game of Thrones. 2502 01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:50,560 I didn't understand it or my character is like, yeah, that's 2503 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:52,120 kind of. I mean, he wasn't being negative 2504 01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:53,520 about it. He was making it about himself. 2505 01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:55,360 He's like, I didn't get it. You know, it's not like there's 2506 01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,000 something wrong with it. He just just. 2507 01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:59,480 Yeah, but it's still kind of negative, obviously. 2508 01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,360 And the. But then whereas Finn Bennett's 2509 01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:04,920 like, yeah, all of it. Give me all the I'm give me 2510 01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:06,360 everything. I'm in the fandom. 2511 01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,800 I love who I my character. I love doing this. 2512 01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:11,560 I love being a part of this. Yeah, it's really bad energy is 2513 01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:15,960 certainly easier to appreciate. I think, as you were saying 2514 01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:20,680 before Shaya, you know, or hinting at this is even if we 2515 01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:23,160 prefer the bookend and you can see why they might have made a 2516 01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,600 an ending that's more about the main characters. 2517 01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:29,760 So yeah, yeah, I think that's, I think that's fair. 2518 01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:32,160 Yeah. I mean, Makar's character arc 2519 01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:35,080 isn't the most important character beat. 2520 01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:38,280 In this story, for them, right, for them to stick that landing. 2521 01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:42,200 And I think they still can. And it's it, it is just 2522 01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:44,600 hysterical. And we watched it with a lot of 2523 01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:49,360 people many times. And they all really laughed a 2524 01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,480 lot. I think it was like a, a crowd 2525 01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:54,400 pleaser of a scene. Two different people we watched 2526 01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:57,240 it with who didn't know anything about it were like, oh, I saw, I 2527 01:56:57,240 --> 01:56:59,120 I. Was suspicious about that. 2528 01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,760 They kind of saw it coming. So not saw it coming, but 2529 01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:07,080 suspected it might be coming. So that tells you the picture of 2530 01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:10,080 egg that's painted by the show version of the character who 2531 01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:14,160 was, you know, well, they they get him as the when when make 2532 01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:16,920 our calls him an unruly boy and both book and show, it's like, 2533 01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,320 yeah, this is the unrulyness they're talking about. 2534 01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,560 So I think show audience might be a little more actually a 2535 01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:24,920 little more keyed into that because they're not thinking 2536 01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:27,360 about egg's whole life like we are trying to put it all 2537 01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:28,720 together. They're like, oh, this is that 2538 01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,600 little Rascal Egg. He's a mischievous boy and he 2539 01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:34,680 he, you know, makes little. Lies of a mission and and all of 2540 01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:37,640 that right yeah, they're more maybe a little more in touch 2541 01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:40,840 with just the the basic aspects of this character the other. 2542 01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:44,000 Thing I think that this does for the maybe more of the casual 2543 01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:46,280 viewer, but also even. For us who've read the books is 2544 01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:51,640 it adds this unknown that we, you know, wonder about this like 2545 01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:54,680 fire underneath them, right? Like they're they might be 2546 01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:56,120 chased. You've brought it up multiple 2547 01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,120 times, Sean, that like the Kingsguard could just chase them 2548 01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:00,400 down. That's something that for people 2549 01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:04,400 to speculate about going to Season 2 and for them then to 2550 01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:08,200 anticipate that it might start with some kind of element of 2551 01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:10,720 like they are being haunted down. 2552 01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:13,320 You know, it's an extreme word, but that is what's what's what's 2553 01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:15,400 going to happen. Like Makar is going to send 2554 01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:16,920 people after them. Probably, yeah. 2555 01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:19,040 And maybe you say, yeah, like you said, maybe he'd sent those 2556 01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:21,000 two Kings card there. Maybe they both ran off in. 2557 01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,000 Different directions to look and they just didn't choose the 2558 01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:26,640 right direction because there's a lot of there's a lot of ways 2559 01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:30,160 to go. You know, it's the Reach did say 2560 01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:33,200 a couple things. Like you, it's noteworthy. 2561 01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:36,280 We talked a bit early on about the idea of like the POV we 2562 01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:40,920 would get and whether it be all Dunk or all non nobles and it 2563 01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:44,640 they kind of broke the rule with this by giving us APO view if it 2564 01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:47,680 was of nobles, it didn't even include Dunk or whatever else. 2565 01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:50,960 That's why it's an epilogue. It's not part of the story 2566 01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,120 proper like he was justifying. Oh, this is. 2567 01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,400 Post you know he wanted that night. 2568 01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:59,520 Night of the 9 Kingdoms to be like a dividing moment of the 2569 01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:02,040 real show and what they're doing afterwards. 2570 01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,520 But he did clarify in there that he had promised George that he 2571 01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:10,160 wouldn't change story. He would like embellish on the 2572 01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:11,840 story that's there. You know what I mean? 2573 01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:13,200 But he wouldn't change the story. 2574 01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:17,960 And so I think this, however significant this or, or featured 2575 01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:22,080 or whatever this is, I like it because they can do it without 2576 01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,600 changing the story. If they, if we do see Kingsguard 2577 01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:28,120 hunt egg and dunk down, whether it's two hours later or two 2578 01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:31,800 months later, they hunt him down, maybe he gets chastised, 2579 01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,760 they give him a signet and then they go on to Dorn and wherever 2580 01:59:34,760 --> 01:59:35,520 else. You know what I mean? 2581 01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,320 It they can do it all. Yeah. 2582 01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:39,240 It's just hard to. I need to add to being 2583 01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:41,120 mischievous and not changing plot. 2584 01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:42,480 Yeah. I agree totally. 2585 01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:44,400 All right, let's have some final thoughts. 2586 01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:45,840 Do you have any? Oh, first. 2587 01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,080 Stannis Baratheon, 3356, says Lionel. 2588 01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:51,600 Since the Super chats is Lionel, I've come not to praise Baylor. 2589 01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:53,360 We were just talking about you, Stannis. 2590 01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:58,320 Yeah, we were. So Sean and Ashaya? 2591 01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:01,640 Do you have any final thoughts? We actually will be able to give 2592 02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:03,840 more final thoughts during our wrap up, so we don't have to get 2593 02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:05,680 it all out here. But if you have some things 2594 02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:08,160 you're inspired to say now, this is a good time for it. 2595 02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:11,800 I will just say that I'm a huge comedy fan. 2596 02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:14,880 I I really. Am it's more my genre than 2597 02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:17,240 drama. I like comedies more. 2598 02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:21,440 I watch more comedies. I rewatch more comedies for 2599 02:00:21,480 --> 02:00:26,120 unsurprisingly, right. So for me personally, this hits 2600 02:00:26,120 --> 02:00:30,640 my interest perfectly. It hits I love A song of Ice and 2601 02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:34,080 Fire, my favorite fandom. I love comedy, my favorite type 2602 02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:37,640 of story, I suppose I could say and fantasy as well. 2603 02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:43,720 So of fantasy comedy is just perfect and I think I anyone 2604 02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:45,920 who's listened to us for a long time has known that I've always 2605 02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:49,480 wanted this to be animated. They proved me wrong. 2606 02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:55,320 I do think Dexter Soul and cell blept off the page as egg. 2607 02:00:55,320 --> 02:00:59,160 I think he's perfect. I'm eager to see how the arc of 2608 02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:02,320 the show goes as he ages up and, you know, eager and and slightly 2609 02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:06,320 nervous, but but I think he will still capture the essence of the 2610 02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:08,800 character, even if he's older than you know, he would have 2611 02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,520 been right. Dunk. 2612 02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:15,880 I still wish he was younger because I really felt his his 2613 02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:20,040 his youth in the book. And it was part of what and even 2614 02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:23,120 more endeared me to him was that he was like a child raising a 2615 02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:25,960 child. And I don't know, I feel Peter 2616 02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:30,560 Clappy captures that vulnerability and that cultish 2617 02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:34,960 kind of growing up quality. So overall, the things I was 2618 02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:38,520 worried about or leery of, I was mostly proven wrong. 2619 02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:40,840 I, I think I just really, really like the show. 2620 02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:44,280 I think it is my favorite of the three shows, but we'll see how 2621 02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:46,800 season 2 goes. But my favorite of the three 2622 02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:51,080 books is the second one, The Sworn Sword, so I have a good 2623 02:01:51,080 --> 02:01:56,320 feeling about that one too. Sean, I think that similar to 2624 02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:58,760 Shaya. It it the show? 2625 02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:02,960 Surprised me how good it was. Like I and you know, I that said 2626 02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:06,960 I even had high expectations, you know, I was with the Shaya 2627 02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:08,480 as far as wanting to be animated. 2628 02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:11,320 I thought a lot of the problems a show would have that making 2629 02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:16,920 the anime solve those, but a combination of how how so well 2630 02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:21,600 they cast it and how even as we discussed, Dunk being aged up a 2631 02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:26,400 little isn't isn't bad at all. And they've got the budget for 2632 02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:29,000 it, you know, being animated makes it a a cheaper budget. 2633 02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:32,560 But that I'm happy if HBO or Warner Brothers, whoever it is, 2634 02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:35,600 is finding the right budget and ostensibly probably finds a 2635 02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:37,880 bigger audience too. But being animated probably 2636 02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:39,240 would have given a more niche audience. 2637 02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:44,480 So there are a few things about it that, you know, I was worried 2638 02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:47,760 about, if you will, that they maybe didn't do as perfect as I 2639 02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:50,400 would want, but no one does as perfect as as I want. 2640 02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,520 So I can't complain much. And they did better than I 2641 02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:55,280 thought they would. As I mentioned, lingering 2642 02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:58,360 injuries after the joust, you know, the the relatively 2643 02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:01,480 realistic fight itself. You know, there's a couple 2644 02:03:01,480 --> 02:03:03,480 things in there that bother me a little bit. 2645 02:03:03,640 --> 02:03:06,360 Whereas usually it's like flipped around. 2646 02:03:06,360 --> 02:03:10,240 Usually a fight scene like that, there will be 10% I like and 90% 2647 02:03:10,240 --> 02:03:11,440 I'm rolling in my eyes. Yeah. 2648 02:03:11,560 --> 02:03:14,480 And this was 90% I like and only 10% rolling my eyes at. 2649 02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:19,960 So I do like dramas more, but I do also like comedies, just kind 2650 02:03:19,960 --> 02:03:24,640 of a on the same lines of share. And I don't know, you know, if I 2651 02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:28,400 would call this a comedy. I think that this is a adventure 2652 02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:32,080 drama with some comedy in it. And I'm fine with that because I 2653 02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:36,760 think most of my favorite shows are ostensibly my very top shows 2654 02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:41,080 are usually dramas, but most of my favorite shows like my top 2655 02:03:41,080 --> 02:03:43,920 ten shows, probably 8 of them are dramas. 2656 02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:48,120 What are my top 100 shows? 80 of them are ostensibly 2657 02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:50,560 comedies that end up having some serious parts. 2658 02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:52,960 And that's kind of what this was, you know what I mean? 2659 02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:56,280 It had it was light and had a lot of comedic moments, but 2660 02:03:56,280 --> 02:03:59,040 really what it's about was some serious stuff. 2661 02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:02,280 Comedies are all rage. Comedies are all the rage, 2662 02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:03,800 right? Well, I. 2663 02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:05,480 Guess where? Where will they enter it? 2664 02:04:05,480 --> 02:04:07,920 It's a. Half hour show, which is often. 2665 02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:10,360 Pushes it towards the comedy category. 2666 02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:11,560 True. Yeah. 2667 02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:14,600 Like for award season, Yeah. Where will they come shit for 2668 02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:16,880 them? And my other question, Will 2669 02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:18,760 Dexter? Solancel get the Emmy nom 2670 02:04:18,760 --> 02:04:19,640 because I. Really hope. 2671 02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:21,560 He does. I really want this show to get 2672 02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:24,040 recognized. Yeah, it would be awesome. 2673 02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:26,600 It would be awesome. So yeah, I got to say I'm. 2674 02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:29,480 Dubious. I think it might get a couple 2675 02:04:29,480 --> 02:04:34,040 nominations, but I was pretty well Sean. 2676 02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:37,560 Like the timing of the year of when it aired is pretty. 2677 02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:39,680 Decent because the. Emmy noms end. 2678 02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:43,000 May 31st. So it's relatively critical. 2679 02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:44,600 Reaction's been really strong too. 2680 02:04:44,600 --> 02:04:47,280 So yeah, you know, I think people might want to the. 2681 02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:49,040 Past Game of Thrones shows did pretty well at the awards I 2682 02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:50,440 think. Maybe Peter? 2683 02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:52,760 Doesn't actually get the nom. But I think maybe they'll want 2684 02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:55,600 to shout out a. A, you know, very good young 2685 02:04:55,600 --> 02:04:57,800 actor in Dexter. We will. 2686 02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:00,320 We'll see, I guess June. We'll find out. 2687 02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:02,760 We'll see. So nothing is perfect, but this 2688 02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:04,920 was better quality than we dared hope. 2689 02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:07,640 For I think, as Shawn and Shaya both hinted at or said 2690 02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:11,200 straightforwardly, and it's definitely a huge success by any 2691 02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:13,920 objective measure. I'm thankful for that and for 2692 02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:15,520 the ripple effect it will have on the fandom. 2693 02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:16,480 Some of that we're already seeing. 2694 02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:19,480 We already talked about how people that never watched a Game 2695 02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:21,440 of Thrones show at all are liking this one. 2696 02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:23,920 More people are going to read The Hedge Night now and then, 2697 02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:26,120 The Sword and Sword and the Mystery Night, and that might 2698 02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:27,800 even bring them into A Song of Ice and Fire. 2699 02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,960 And a few people that are into A Song of Ice and Fire that 2700 02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:31,640 haven't read the novellas will do that. 2701 02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:35,600 They will at least many of them will get it, so to speak, and 2702 02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:39,200 they'll become one of us. So in Season 2 hits, by the time 2703 02:05:39,200 --> 02:05:42,920 that happens, they'll be quite a few more people that have you're 2704 02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:46,920 caught up, so to speak. They'll be more educated on the 2705 02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:49,240 world and George's world building and all the stories. 2706 02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:51,160 And they'll maybe have read things two or three times 2707 02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:53,360 instead of just once. And then you'll be one of us, 2708 02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:56,080 one of us, one of us. And perhaps the best possible 2709 02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:59,440 inspiration would be George, the great success of this, One of 2710 02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:02,440 the things that made it hard for us to temper our expectations 2711 02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:05,240 was that George said it was really good and that, like, as 2712 02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:08,680 he says, you know, I'm very reasonable about these things. 2713 02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:12,640 So yeah, like the fact that George liked it so much was 2714 02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:14,880 like, it's really hard to think this is going to be bad if 2715 02:06:14,880 --> 02:06:15,800 George liked. It. 2716 02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:18,720 And I think this is good for George's writing because it 2717 02:06:18,720 --> 02:06:19,520 helps. It makes help. 2718 02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:22,720 It makes him feel good. Makes him feel inspired. 2719 02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:26,880 I do wonder how much he's going to be unable to resist working 2720 02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:30,160 on more Dunkin Egg stuff just by his his claims otherwise. 2721 02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:33,720 And I think he should be free to do that even if he's not 2722 02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:37,160 publishing it. Like I if it helps you to write 2723 02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:40,080 something to take like a break and write something that you 2724 02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:43,560 enjoy more or that's easier or that's more simple or whatever 2725 02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:46,960 you want to say that's good for your writing and it's hurting 2726 02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:49,640 your writing. If you like, put these these 2727 02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:52,680 rules on yourself that stop you. And that's he got a lot of 2728 02:06:52,680 --> 02:06:55,120 writing done when he worked on Fire and Blood because it got 2729 02:06:55,160 --> 02:06:57,800 the juices flowing, you know, and he probably didn't get a 2730 02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:01,360 whole rod wasn't helping that when he was having the problems 2731 02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:03,000 with. House of the Dragon, you know, 2732 02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:05,000 on the arguing and the negativity and all that, that's 2733 02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:06,200 not going to make your writing better. 2734 02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:08,320 It's not going to translate into more inspiration. 2735 02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:11,800 So yeah, this is the opposite effect. 2736 02:07:11,800 --> 02:07:15,000 So hopefully that has a lot of positivity. 2737 02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:17,160 So yeah, our poll. What do you what did you get 2738 02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:19,400 there, Shay? What do we what's our result in 2739 02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:22,560 the show? Did egg steal make our signet 2740 02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:27,600 ring? Yes. 64%, no 36% and at the 2741 02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:31,560 beginning it was a lot more guest favored and it slowly 2742 02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:35,320 became more even still slightly favored to yes, he stole it. 2743 02:07:35,600 --> 02:07:39,360 But definitely, I mean, I think the strongest argument for him 2744 02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:43,240 not stealing it is does Makar wear this ring all the time? 2745 02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:46,480 And does Makar just not notice that he's not wearing his ring? 2746 02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:47,960 That's why I don't think he stole it. 2747 02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:50,400 Yeah, that's it is a hard thing to steal. 2748 02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:51,600 It's something he would be wearing a lot of. 2749 02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:53,000 It wouldn't be quite as hard to steal as like a. 2750 02:07:53,000 --> 02:07:54,880 Wedding band but yeah it's not the thing kind of thing you take 2751 02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:57,960 off very much and not a lot of time had passed it's like he's 2752 02:07:57,960 --> 02:08:00,000 like waiting for him to go to sleep and stealing it off of his 2753 02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,960 bedside table but that could have been what happened Two 2754 02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:06,080 other I think solidarity mints against him stealing it or one 2755 02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:08,200 that I think maker just. Gives it to him whether you 2756 02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:11,480 already did or ends up doing it. 1-2 maybe. 2757 02:08:11,480 --> 02:08:13,800 More importantly, I don't think he's a thief. 2758 02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,680 He might be mischievous, maybe even a little dishonest. 2759 02:08:16,680 --> 02:08:18,560 I don't think it's a thief. Oh, yeah, Yeah. 2760 02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:19,520 No, that's possible. Yeah. 2761 02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:22,320 So that's it for this episode y'all. 2762 02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:24,720 Thank you for participating. Thank you for being with us all 2763 02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:26,920 season long, but we're going to keep keep on going. 2764 02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:31,640 Of course, join us next week for the wrap up episode and make 2765 02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:34,960 sure to check out our other related episodes. 2766 02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:37,760 We have done full reviews of the Hedge, Night sworn Sword, the 2767 02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:42,320 mystery Night, 2 episodes on Baylor breaks beer like 9 2768 02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:45,000 episodes on the black fire rebellions, maybe an episode on 2769 02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:47,320 Sir one of the mirror shield. We have a fun episode called the 2770 02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:49,840 future of Duncan Egg. There you go. 2771 02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:54,840 Palma Shelby said for 4/20 says what if he stole Baylor's? 2772 02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,720 That's really funny to me. I actually think that's 2773 02:08:57,720 --> 02:08:59,400 hilarious. So if he's not a thief, you 2774 02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:03,120 think he's. A grave robber, The ashes after 2775 02:09:03,120 --> 02:09:04,640 the fact. What did that guy say? 2776 02:09:04,640 --> 02:09:05,480 It's not stealing. It's not. 2777 02:09:05,480 --> 02:09:07,120 Stealing from dead nobles, right? 2778 02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:09,840 That's not stealing. That was already referenced in 2779 02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:13,480 the show. He will say when, when, Doug's 2780 02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:14,600 like, where did you get this from? 2781 02:09:14,600 --> 02:09:16,480 From Bay Horse. Body and then you'll say. 2782 02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:21,480 That imagine you'd be horrified. Be like what? 2783 02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:24,800 Heck, you did what you. Had the same Baphomet that he 2784 02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:31,720 had at 9 kingdoms. All right, folks, on behalf of 2785 02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:34,120 Shawn and Shaya, thanks for I'm Aziz. 2786 02:09:34,120 --> 02:09:35,360 Thanks. For hanging out with us and 2787 02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:38,280 enjoying the season, we got a lot more to come. 2788 02:09:38,720 --> 02:09:41,920 And thanks to Bran the Builder for his excellent intro that a 2789 02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:44,240 lot of people are watching and commenting on and saying it's 2790 02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:45,200 great. We agree. 2791 02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,120 It's got captures the vibe of the show so well. 2792 02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:50,520 What's that? I do see one comment from 2793 02:09:50,520 --> 02:09:53,280 someone that said from Bourbon Wolfswood. 2794 02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:56,960 In the last scene Makar did not have the ring on when we see his 2795 02:09:56,960 --> 02:10:00,240 hands. Seems like a a good clue whether 2796 02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:01,600 he wears it. Does he wear? 2797 02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:03,680 Yeah Does he have it? Does he always wear it? 2798 02:10:03,680 --> 02:10:06,400 I will have to do some research. And come back to you in the wrap 2799 02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:07,680 up. We will have to do some zoom and 2800 02:10:07,680 --> 02:10:10,880 enhance to look for that ring. The Baker's signet ring. 2801 02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:14,400 Mystery is upon us, my friends, so you all know. 2802 02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:17,960 Now that the show is over, you have a little extra time, so 2803 02:10:18,520 --> 02:11:06,390 Valar reread us. The.