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Welcome to Valerie Ritas For 
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Our approach will be different 
than it was for A Song of Ice 

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and Fire. 
Rather than setting out a 

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specific number of chapters for 
each week, we'll aim to spend 2 

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hours per episode, covering as 
much as we can each time. 

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We'll cover the setting, the 
parallels, the plot connections 

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to A Song of Ice and Fire, the 
plot within the story itself, 

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and almost everything else you 
can imagine. 

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And I know you can imagine quite
a bit, so this should be a lot 

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of fun. 
Yeah, we're changing the the 

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format a little bit, but the 
discussions, the humor, 

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analytical style should all be 
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But there is, it's hard to do 
this by a chapter because the 

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chapters are so much shorter, 
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Yeah, yeah, In some ways they're
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Like you could, you could look 
at them that way, but I don't. 

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So I, I, I wanted to come up 
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manage this. 
And I think this is going to be 

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pretty fun. 
So you've already heard him 

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speaking, but we should 
reintroduce our friend, our long

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time Co host who hasn't been 
here in a little while. 

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But the return of dancing Sean 
of How's Beard? 

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How you doing my friend? 
It's. 

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Great to have you back. 
I'm doing great. 

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I'm doing super awesome. 
It's great to be back. 

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I'm pumped about this. 
I've become way more solid since

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when I used to be here for the 
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I've read all the books, still 
have a couple more wins chapters

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to read, but I've I've read all 
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and I just in the past couple 
weeks I've double read the hedge

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night. 
So where? 

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Are you? 
With the fire and blood in the 

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world of ice and fire, I haven't
asked that. 

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I have not even looked at those 
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I think maybe even when a show 
was still on, I like poured over

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some family lines at the 
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was just too overwhelming. 
I didn't have a way to connect 

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these characters any story or 
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There's so many repeating names 
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I'm starting to get it better 
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Is more of the advanced class. 
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So we have that to look forward 
to in the future. 

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Are your fresh insights great? 
Absolutely, Yeah. 

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So you've been doing a little 
something on your own over 

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there. 
You started a YouTube channel. 

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We should definitely mention 
that before we get into our our 

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hedge knife coverage. 
Yeah, Dancing Sean on YouTube 

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and I was sparked to action by 
the TV show The Boys, which is, 

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you know, Simply put, it's like 
a superhero show. 

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But the reason I like it is 
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It's way more about sort of a 
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would react to the existence of 
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But how do politicians manage 
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Are they do they have PR agents 
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not to fight crime in New York 
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Some some it's not all about 
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and all the characters aren't 
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There's a lot of grave that the 
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like sexism. 
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remember when I first saw 
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it's Tony Soprano's mom. 
You know, what's my attitude 

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about it, baby? 
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Kind of, but I walked in on an 
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didn't even look like it was 
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It was like the serious 
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It wasn't even didn't even seem 
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And I so anyway, I covered all 
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I did it kind of in a rush 
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coming out. 
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first season and then caught up 
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And then since then, I tried to 
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nominees for best picture for 
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And I just want to kind of grow 
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things that right now what I'm 
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videos where I can do sort of 
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Just give you an idea what 
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who stars in it, when did it 
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spoiling a plot, give me an idea
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kind of tone, director, things 
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Now this, this is interesting to
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what you used to do when I first
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Now, Sean and I have known each 
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than 20 years. 
And when? 

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More than 20 minutes. 
Yes also more than 20 minutes 

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and you managed A blockbuster 
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maybe do any still exist that 
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how I. 
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thought, I thought I saw a news 
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It was like the final 
blockbuster is closing, so maybe

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that one's gone, too. 
So this to me, it's like you 

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would have done this, tried to 
briefly explain movies to 

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customers who come in and ask 
like what's this about or 

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something like that. 
So it's kind of like it's come 

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full circle a bit. 
You have, you've already had 

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this experience, you've long 
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So it's a really good place for 
you to have put your energies. 

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The Boys was a deep dive. 
I I thought that I would do like

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15 minutes per episode, two 
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You know, it was a little 
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We got longer and longer 
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But for the movies, at least 
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do quick, succinct analysis. 
But like you said, a skill that 

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I've owned. 
There's so many movies out. 

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There, that's I was going to say
that to watch all of them 

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exactly like it was valuable to 
me because I don't pay attention

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to what's out there like I 
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I pay way more attention to TV 
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like that. 
Movies people talk about popular

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movies and a lot of times I'm 
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So I I watched a bunch of yours 
to and it really helped me catch

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up on. 
Even among good movies, some 

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appeal to some people more than 
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You like certain styles or 
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So yeah, that's my idea, is to 
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something's going to be, and you
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What? 
I'm trying to just do good 

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movies. 
Maybe one day in the far future 

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when there's 2000 Game of 
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only on recommending those to 
people like, well, you like 

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adventure and sea travel, so I'm
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show and the Sea Shade show. 
I know those were some of the 

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earliest ones, but they're still
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Don't know if that'll happen in 
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our lifetimes will be extended. 
That's right, I'll be a frozen 

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brain, a Futurama head. 
I was going. 

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To say that, yeah. 
So thanks also to Nina Freel, 

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her, she's been invaluable 
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that is continuing here. 
We've already had a bunch of 

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great discussions on a lot of 
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Hedge Night and within the 
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So that's something about this 
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rabbit holes, but there's also 
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We have spent enormous amounts 
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around the world as it stands in
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universe with the timeline in 
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We're, we're, we want to know 
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There's a ton of dates and 
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And this isn't that far back 
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but it's 90 years. 
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So yeah, there's still Castely 
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Yeah, there's still House 
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Yeah, there's still House Stark.
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but the first names have all 
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Instead, well, there's still 
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know what I mean? 
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characters, even if so many 
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So there's a lot to to talk 
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And with so many characters, 
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be made, like is this one, is 
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someone's grandfather, is this, 
you know, lots of fun questions 

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like that. 
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it the way we are without trying
to put barriers on how much time

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we spend on each portion. 
We just want to let the material

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take us where it takes us. 
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is a really appropriate book or 
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approach. 
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sent questions ahead of time. 
If you're a patron, you've seen 

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these posts ahead of time. 
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send in some questions and we 
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you. 
Caveat with that because we're 

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covering things in a different 
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You may ask a question that we 
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We may save it for a future week
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for when some of these topics 
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There's a lot of subtopics. 
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Some of them I've set aside to 
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For example, we got a lot of 
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character parallels. 
I'm going to point them out at 

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the beginning just as an 
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do the deep dives there until 
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consumed all the material. 
So I think that's going to fit a

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little better. 
Dom Tartaglia sends a super chat

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and says Sean is my favorite 
Cryptid. 

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Which is great. 
I have a question here though. 

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What? 
Dom is my favorite Cryptid. 

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So Sean, what are you drinking 
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People want to know. 
Good question. 

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This is a mix of the Naked 
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flavor along with Mountain Dew. 
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It's very creamy. 
Let me say that the the someone 

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guessed that it was cold brew 
with cream and it was about the 

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opposite of that. 
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listening, what that looked 
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This is both terrifying and 
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of Sean. 
So this has been a long time 

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coming, The Hedge Night. 
Rather, people have wanted us to

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cover it for a long time. 
We've wanted to cover it for a 

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long time ourselves. 
But hey, there's so many topics.

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We have a rather infinite 
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history of Westeros, and that 
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that's how Infinity works. 
It doesn't get smaller. 

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But this is one of the biggest 
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Fire Extended Universe that 
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We've of course used the Hedge 
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rest of Duncan Egg novellas as 
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I mean, quite a quite a few 
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There's a lot of things we can 
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close, relatively speaking, in 
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Waste of Fire. 
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about connections, that's part 
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But there's a lot of other 
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The the history of the Targaryen
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least parts of it. 
The Hedge Knight is particularly

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beloved in the fandom too. 
I mean, I love Fire and Blood in

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the World of Ice and Fire, 
obviously, but those books don't

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have apov character. 
The World of Ice and Fire is a 

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history book. 
Fire and Blood is a history book

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with a lot of story added in, 
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But The Hedge Knight is a story.
It's an actual story, right? 

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It's not some hybrid thing, 
which I like the hybrid things. 

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But as we were just saying when 
you brought it up, Sean, this is

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easier to read. 
It's more familiar in terms of 

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what you expect to pick up when 
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Right at the end of our 
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We'll we'll probably talk about 
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group, the way maybe they chain,
maybe decide which one of ours 

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is favorite, which one and maybe
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that. 
But that's a ways away. 

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That's at the end of all three 
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You know, another thing I wanted
to put in here is that it's just

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an indication of how amazing 
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Like he has this whole world, 
like he has a whole world in his

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Like even thinking about stuff, 
there might be as much knowledge

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about Westeros right as there is
Greece. 

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You know, like that's probably 
not quite true, but but it 

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probably is true of certain, 
like ancient cultures that 

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George has created a fuller 
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Especially when you like not 
just know like these names and 

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dates and places, but you know, 
like not just characters, but 

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their opinions about the names 
and dates and their perspectives

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and their, their, their life 
stories and everything. 

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And you, you just, I feel like 
reading through all the books, 

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you got to understand it. 
We're only getting the tip of 

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the iceberg. 
He has like the entirety of this

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world and he's revealing pieces 
of it to us through different 

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characters, perspectives. 
And you just know how much more 

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of this world he has in his 
brain, how much more of the 

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iceberg we're going to get, 
hopefully get eventually, you 

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know? 
Yeah, we just, well, we just, we

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really need his to tap his brain
and, you know, just like squeeze

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out all the juice. 
You're right about that, for 

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sure. 
Well said. 

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I totally agree with that. 
And he's been building it for so

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long. 
It's it's a long time coming. 

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It's true too, what you say 
about how sometimes fictional 

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universes can be more detailed 
in the real world because we're 

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allowed to invent the details. 
Well, we the royal, we are 

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allowed to invent the details 
that in the real world they 

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would elude us. 
I'm pretty sure Darth Vader's 

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Wikipedia page is longer than 
like George Washington's, for 

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example. 
And I mean, well, there's been 

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more people have invented Darth 
Vader. 

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So you like all the details 
there. 

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It's like anytime George Lucas 
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he's like, well, yes, Darth 
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He was troubled by, you know, 
like just any kind of deep, like

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if George Washington had such. 
He was just really plagued by 

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hangnails, I guess, right? 
And that's what turned him to 

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the dark side, was all those 
hangnails, right? 

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Yes, he he mastered the force as
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issues. 
He also really loved the produce

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aisle at the grocery store. 
Guilty pleasure of the sound of 

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that misty spray on the lettuce.
You know, George Washington 

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might have, but we can never 
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We'll never know. 
If he's exactly you've perfectly

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captured the type of lack of 
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that I was going for. 
Like, how how does George 

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Washington feel about the 
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We'll never know. 
We'll never know. 

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And that's a tragedy. 
This was released in 1998, part 

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of the Legends anthology, 
roughly the length of five A 

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Dance with Dragons chapters. 
We talked about, you know, 

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chapters. 
We don't. 

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It doesn't really have that. 
But if we were to give it a 

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length, yeah, that's about it. 
5A Dance with Dragons chapters 

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which which if you recall the 
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chapter was roughly 40 minutes. 
5 is actually a little less. 

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I'd say 5 plus for this it's a 
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anyway it's roughly in that 
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This was actually published 
before A Clash of Kings. 

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I think a lot of people don't 
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month before. 
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ran the Clash of Kings first. 
You know, the fandom wasn't so 

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huge back then. 
It wasn't a big release. 

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Like nowadays, if something with
George RR Martin's name is 

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released to the public, everyone
knows about it right away. 

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But this wasn't the case in 
1998. 

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Things were a little different 
back then, 23 years ago. 

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It was eventually made into a 
graphic novel as well. 

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It's quite good and it's really 
fun to see that because you get 

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to see a lot of these banners 
and these sigils and characters.

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Like you see Targaryens and 
things like that. 

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That's pretty fun. 
Plus there's memories and those 

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memories are put on the pages, 
so you get to see things like in

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the second one there's you get 
to see Damon Blackfire, for 

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example. 
So cool stuff like that. 

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And given that it was written 
alongside A Clash of Kings, 

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there were some ideas George 
hadn't fully fleshed out. 

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Sean, one thing we went over in 
Valerie Ritas was pointing out 

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when something's mentioned for 
the first time, or when a 

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character or historical note is 
is note hated for the first 

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time. 
As you noticed yourself, the 

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Black Fires are not mentioned in
this story at all. 

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They're sort of referred to 
obliquely, but not by name, and 

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that's because George hadn't 
given them a name yet. 

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The first time the name Black 
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Swords. 
It doesn't appear in The Clash 

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of Kings either. 
It's not a problem, but it's, 

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you know, it's a little piece of
trivia, something to take note 

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of, something for us to think 
about going forward. 

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Especially when he consider the 
three books together. 

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One thing that he definitely 
seems to do all along is lay all

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this stuff out, which on the 
surface is both entertaining and

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overwhelming. 
So many characters and places 

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and images, all the different 
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everything. 
It's almost impossible to, like,

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really absorb it the first time.
Through That's what we're here 

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for. 
But then by the end, every 

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little detail that ever came up 
starts to come together and be 

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important. 
You start to think, oh wait, 

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that was a thing. 
He mentioned that, but I need to

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read this again. 
You know what I mean? 

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You start to realize how much 
subtlety and, and foreshadowing 

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and, and symbolism and 
everything was just there from 

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the beginning and throughout, 
you know? 

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I feel like if I was an author, 
that would be pretty much the 

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ultimate compliment. 
Someone's like, I need to read 

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this again or, or if they say I 
want to read this again, maybe 

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that's slightly better. 
But that like, that's, that's 

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that would be very satisfying. 
Very. 

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Yeah. 
Like, I did my job. 

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My work is done. 
Well, no, George, actually your 

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work is not done. 
But let's not get into that. 

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Well said, by the way. 
I, I agree with you. 

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I think the style isn't super 
different, but what's different 

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is the presentation. 
I mean, we've got a different 

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type of character. 
That's that's the thing that's 

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really different. 
He still sees the world in a lot

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of ways that are similar ish in 
in terms of tone. 

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And like you said, a lot of 
things are very well described. 

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I've been reading a lot of 
different books lately and 

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having a lot of fun reading lots
of different books, But just 

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something I noticed that a lot 
of times a different author will

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spend two or three sentences 
describing what is in front of 

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the characters, like describing 
the horizon or the setting, 

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whereas George would tend to go 
about twice as much on something

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like that. 
And that's not better or worse, 

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but it is notable. 
And I think you're right that 

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that's that that is very much 
present here as much as it is in

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the main novels. 
He might, even more than you 

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realize, use it as a tool for 
pacing. 

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When you spend a long time 
describing this visual, 

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describing that visual, someone 
going to their memories, just 

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crying this visual all of a 
sudden he pulled the sword just 

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happens to the nook and was. 
Like Oh my God, what? 

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Just. 
Happened, you know, like 

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sometimes things can like 
suddenly happen really fast when

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he's been taking his time with 
the the pacing and the 

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descriptions. 
And he's also using those 

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descriptions to add layers of 
meaning and symbolism and 

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everything, not just to let you 
know what the sunset looked 

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like. 
You know he's mentioning the 

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sunset 'cause it's a reference 
to Dorn or whatever. 

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Yeah, very well said. 
You're right. 

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Yeah, he's, he's packing those 
meanings in there. 

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We maybe we've missed a layer 
here and there. 

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That's always possible instead 
of something that keeps us on 

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our toes. 
The Song of Ice and Fire starts 

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in 298. 
The prologue might be 297, but, 

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you know, not a big difference 
either way. 

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It is the year 209 here in the 
hedge night, so about 8990 years

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before. 
It's been 80 years since the 

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Dance of the Dragons. 
So we're almost like at the 

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sandwich point between the Dance
and the current time, which is 

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that's kind of an interesting 
thing. 

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And the Targaryen family, of 
course, was really reduced in 

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size during the Dance of the 
Dragons, and it took several 

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generations to sort of grow 
back, right? 

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And they are pretty large again 
as a family. 

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The Dragons, of course, have 
not. 

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The Dragons are gone. 
That's another thing we'll talk 

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about. 
But for the most part, it is a 

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time of peace. 
Right now. 

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King Dare on the second is 
called Dare on the Good, and 

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he's in his 25th year of rule. 
By the end of his reign, he will

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have sat the Iron Throne for 25 
years. 

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So oh. 
Uh oh. 

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So yes. 
It's only going to be a few 

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months after the end of the 
story that he passes. 

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And of course, given, you know, 
Baylor breaks beer, dies here, 

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who's the heir? 
Well, this is basically the end 

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of a good time. 
Like, this is a nice time in the

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realm, relatively speaking. 
There's always problems. 

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It is Westeros, after all, the 
bar. 

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So the bar is kind of low for 
times apiece. 

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This is one of them. 
At the point being, it's about 

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to not be, and there's about to 
be lots of other things 

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happening. 
There's about to be turmoil, 

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rebellion, and all sorts of 
things. 

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That's part of the setting that 
we can keep in mind when we're 

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approaching this. 
On reread, we know that, yes, 

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this tragedy is part of the 
story. 

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Tragedy is coming to the realm, 
and quite frankly, tragedy is 

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coming at the end of Dunkin Egg 
altogether. 

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A lot of these characters you 
see in this, in this story, 

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Valar, we see Valar, who I 
really want to call Valaritis. 

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It's 2 Rs. 
You know, it's like, it's like 

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I'm starting to write that. 
But that's. 

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Break spear. 
'S son, Valar's son, and Mataris

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is his other son. 
You may. 

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Be aware. 
That there was never a King 

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Valar nor a King Mataris. 
So those two clearly, Yeah, part

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of the oncoming tragedies now, 
Egg. 

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Is eventually going to be. 
Aegon the 5th, AKA Aegon the 

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Unlikely, and he's called that 
because he's the fourth son of a

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fourth son. 
What does that mean besides a 

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lot of Targaryens dying for him 
to become king? 

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Well, we're going to see a lot 
of them. 

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The Targaryens that actually die
so he could become king are a 

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lot of them are going to appear 
in these stories. 

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And we're also going to talk 
about his immediate family, 

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right? 
His brother, Maester Eamonn. 

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That's the one Targaryen who 
comes before him in the line of 

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succession but didn't die 
because, you know, he got to 

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become a maester instead. 
So you know that he kind of 

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dodged that bullet, so to speak.
It might be semantics. 

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Actually, to say that the 
Targaryens of this era didn't 

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all kill each other, because 
that is kind of what happened in

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the Dance, right? 
But because we were talking 

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about the Black Fire rebellions,
which only one of them has 

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happened so far, right? 
Only the first one, which 

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arguably was the biggest one. 
They're all are. 

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Arguably Targaryens in a sense. 
Like they're cadet branch of the

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Targaryens. 
They're not technically 

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Targaryens, but they all have 
Targaryen blood. 

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They all emanate from the same 
bloodline. 

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So you could arguably say 
they've been killing each other 

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a bit. 
But as things stand at the start

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page. 1. 13 as many as 19 living
Targaryens, not counting black 

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fires, not counting Valerians 
who married Targaryens. 

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None of that if their last name 
is Targaryen. 

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That's what I'm talking about. 
Somewhere between 13 and 19. 

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That's a lot black. 
Fires would argue that the 

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Targaryens were killing even. 
The Targaryens. 

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Might not. 
Good point. 

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Yes, it's all in where. 
You're standing. 

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00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,600
That's a recurring overarching 
aspect to A Song of Ice and Fire

450
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,560
is perspective, and you just 
gave us a good example of that. 

451
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,680
So 16 or sorry, six of those 13 
to 19 are at. 

452
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,560
This. 
Tournament Baylor Makar Aryan, 

453
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,360
Deron Egg and Valar Guinevere 
Greenstone says What do we know 

454
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,080
about Egg's life at Summerhall 
and his motivation to leave 

455
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,640
home? 
Are there likely to be 

456
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,840
Targaryens from outside Mecar's 
immediate family living or 

457
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,760
visiting there? 
And how much separation was 

458
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,560
there from King's Landing at 
that time? 

459
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,560
In other words, how much did the
King's Landing Targaryens hang 

460
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,080
out with the Summerhall 
Targaryens? 

461
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,080
Let me just do a little set up 
and then let me get an answer 

462
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,520
from Sean. 
First of all, it's a. 

463
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,760
Great question because it allows
us to remind folks that Summer 

464
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,640
Hall isn't yet a ruin. 
Wildfire hasn't come for it just

465
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:18,880
yet. 
So it's sort of like the 

466
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,480
Targaryens have 3 castles it it 
of. 

467
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,040
Course this is. 
Not like a defensible castle, 

468
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,280
this is more like a summer home.
It's more of a palace than a 

469
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:32,040
castle like the name indicates, 
but the way it was, the reason 

470
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,360
it was built, it kind of changed
its purpose pretty quickly. 

471
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,400
The king basically gets the Red 
Keep the air, which at this time

472
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,440
was Prince Baylor gets 
Dragonstone, kind of like how 

473
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,600
Stannis got Dragonstone and 
Makar that he's the fourth son 

474
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,160
got Summerhall. 
Now why is that? 

475
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Why did the fourth son get it? 
Well, basically because nobody 

476
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,720
else wanted it. 
Aries is next, Aries the first, 

477
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,240
not the Mad King. 
That's later. 

478
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,280
Aries preferred to stay at 
court, probably 'cause he liked 

479
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,760
the library. 
He our best comparison for 

480
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,080
Aries. 
The first is the reader 

481
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,000
Roderick, the reader of the 
Ironborn. 

482
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,760
So Summerhall probably didn't 
have as good of a library. 

483
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,360
Next brother is Regal. 
We don't know why he wanted to 

484
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,440
stay at court, but he was 
mentally deficient. 

485
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,520
He had issues, not undefined. 
I don't know what what the 

486
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,480
diagnosis is. 
He was Targaryen. 

487
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,800
So he just whatever. 
So the point is, he who knows? 

488
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,720
We don't know why he didn't want
to go to Summerhall, but he 

489
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,760
didn't make our it's a silly 
place, right? 

490
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,640
Multiple reasons. 
Why Makar would want to go, he's

491
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,120
a, he's just not a courtly guy. 
He's more like Stannis. 

492
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:36,560
That's something we'll get into 
later, is he's very similar to 

493
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,840
Stannis in a lot of ways. 
Stannis wasn't a big fan of 

494
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,120
court either. 
Stannis went to Dragonstone and 

495
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,080
preferred to be over there. 
He doesn't like courtliness. 

496
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,960
He doesn't like all the flattery
and the pageantry. 

497
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,760
That's not for him. 
The dude's also a war hero and 

498
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,120
he had a big family. 
He had a bigger family than any 

499
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,600
of his siblings, so he needed. 
More room. 

500
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,360
He probably didn't want them 
becoming all courtly either, 

501
00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,720
which we absolutely see that 
play out at the end here. 

502
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,040
Though maybe he isn't fully sold
on the idea until Dunk presents 

503
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,800
it to him. 
Still, that's a pretty big deal.

504
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,360
But of course, one of the 
biggest things is Egg refers to 

505
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,920
being tormented by his brother. 
That right there is a good 

506
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,960
reason to leave home, right? 
Basically my question for you 

507
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,240
would be what do you think from 
what can you gather from from 

508
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,800
all this and say like, why would
what, what's your opinion on why

509
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,240
egg would want to stay away from
all that? 

510
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,800
It's probably a. 
Few things I I was thinking, by 

511
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,800
the way, like along the lines of
this, remember on the second 

512
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,320
book how much of Rohan's 
gathered family is around, 

513
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,280
right? 
So you can imagine there family,

514
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,120
you don't always necessarily get
along with family, but you kind 

515
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,520
of have to, especially when 
you're like at court putting on 

516
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840
errors, especially when you're 
like the little kid. 

517
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,480
I can just imagine like everyone
wanted him to do something and 

518
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,720
probably none of it was what he 
wanted to do. 

519
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,440
Imagine all the different people
like or in fact probably don't 

520
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,720
do this, don't do that, put that
down. 

521
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,280
Just stay out of there. 
You know what I mean? 

522
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,880
He just wanted to do his own 
thing. 

523
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,200
He wanted to explore and have 
fun and be a kid. 

524
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,880
And you could probably draw some
parallels to Arya, maybe. 

525
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,960
You know, I can imagine him not 
getting much attention and most 

526
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,800
of the attention he getting 
being negative attention. 

527
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,960
That's a very good point, yeah. 
Never. 

528
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,800
Mind, Aryan. 
Just that one thing by itself. 

529
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,480
You know that thing? 
By itself does say a lot too. 

530
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,400
It's like clearly the rest of 
the family isn't stepping up to 

531
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,520
deal with Aryan's abuse of his 
brother. 

532
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,080
Like there's no mention of that 
Makar, no mention of Egg going 

533
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,680
to tell his father, no mention 
of his other brother Stephanie. 

534
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,440
Because you think, like, given 
this family, there would be 

535
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,000
maybe someone that would do 
something not not Deron because 

536
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,120
he's, you know, worthless in 
that sense. 

537
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,680
But maybe Makar himself or but I
guess he's just you can't be 

538
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,480
bothered with that. 
There's a a pretty. 

539
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Big age difference between the 
other brothers too, right? 

540
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000
One of them was like one or two 
years older. 

541
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,360
They might hang out and play 
together, but they're all like, 

542
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,440
I don't know, 5, at least years 
older. 

543
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,920
They're like he's not too far 
from Eamon. 

544
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,400
'S age, but Eamon went off to be
a maester pretty early so yeah 

545
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,360
that they may have had that time
together but Eamon also. 

546
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,720
Maybe is more likely to be 
reading books rather than 

547
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,880
running around playing in a 
wood, and they were clearly the.

548
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,600
Closest, yeah, like the 
friendliest to each other that 

549
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,040
may have been part of. 
What drove him to leave? 

550
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,320
Now that his favorite brother is
gone and it's only him and 

551
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,480
Aryan, he's like, get the heck 
out of here. 

552
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,560
It may not be. 
It may be pretty straightforward

553
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,960
actually. 
During his day, Mads. 

554
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,400
On says I wonder how much 
contact Egg had with the Dane 

555
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,680
side of his family. 
And Guinevere Greenstones, who 

556
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,200
asked the original question, 
says maybe they're close. 

557
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,800
Maybe it's partly because 
Summerhall is so close to Dorn, 

558
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,360
right? 
Summerhall is much farther S 

559
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,320
from King's Landing. 
It is near the border of Dorn. 

560
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,080
It's in fact considered to be 
built on the Tri border. 

561
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:05,880
King Garon had it built it. 
It was meant to be the marker of

562
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,560
the Stormlands, the Reach and 
Dorn, like right, where the 

563
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,440
three regions come together. 
And it's sort of a symbol of 

564
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,680
unity in that sense, which as a 
ruin, it doesn't really work so 

565
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,360
well anymore. 
What does that say? 

566
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,880
Symbolism, symbolism. 
But what we're getting ahead of 

567
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,240
ourselves though that's a great 
point by Guinevere greenstones 

568
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,040
there that the proximity. 
It also allows them to be closer

569
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,920
to Dorn, which they have Dane 
heritage. 

570
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:37,400
Now that is yet another example 
of the Danes just teasing us 

571
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920
with what we want to know, what 
we don't know. 

572
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,680
As in, the Danes are a really 
mysterious family. 

573
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,200
There's a lot more we want to 
know about them. 

574
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,560
George had plans for them. 
He may have changed some of 

575
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,080
those plans, but he still 
clearly has more plans for them.

576
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,160
So anytime that the name Dane 
gets mentioned, a lot of times 

577
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,440
people perk up a little and go, 
huh. 

578
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,920
So to be clear, Egg's mother was
Diana Dane. 

579
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,080
She died very young, so Egg 
doesn't really have memories of 

580
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,040
her, so he's not able to speak 
of her very much. 

581
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,520
Possibly some trauma wrapped up 
in that. 

582
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,480
Like not a lot of people don't 
want to talk about their mother 

583
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,160
who passed when they were young.
That's understandable. 

584
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,400
It's not like Dunk is going to 
press him on that, for example. 

585
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,680
So I was. 
Going to ask by the way. 

586
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,720
That we don't really know 
anything about Egg's mom and 

587
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,280
that might be largely just 
'cause he doesn't know that much

588
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,000
and stories coming from Dunk's 
perspective. 

589
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,240
So even if Egg thought about 
her, we wouldn't get it. 

590
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,880
But it is something that might 
answer some of these questions 

591
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,920
and it's. 
Disappointed to not. 

592
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,480
Know more about? 
Yeah, it's there is. 

593
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,960
Disappointment. 
We, you know, it's, it's a 

594
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,360
little, it's too often we find 
ourselves wondering about a 

595
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,200
motherly character and like, 
what happened to that mother? 

596
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,040
What's the deal with that 
mother? 

597
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,840
It's not unusual for history to 
leave mothers out. 

598
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,360
Of course, this is a story we 
could have more info here. 

599
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,320
But it does make sense given the
setup that Egg wouldn't have 

600
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,240
much to say about her 'cause he 
probably doesn't know her. 

601
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,520
Guilty. 
Undertaker points out Egg seems 

602
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,000
to have been closest in age to 
his sisters. 

603
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,720
Yes, absolutely. 
Ray and Dale are on either side 

604
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,520
of him age wise and to be fair. 
They. 

605
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,680
Could have helped defend him a 
little and they could have been 

606
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,040
picking on him as well. 
I mean, Egg expresses some like,

607
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,400
unpleasantness that he he 
doesn't like them for their love

608
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,920
potions. 
It doesn't seem like they're 

609
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,360
terribly close. 
Yeah. 

610
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,400
So yeah, that's that's unclear, 
but that may have been one of 

611
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,720
the other things you're trying 
to get away from. 

612
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,200
He's like, yeah, my brother puts
his knife to my balls at night, 

613
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,400
which I really hate. 
But I'm not so excited about the

614
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,440
love potions my sister give me 
either because it's like Jojen 

615
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,880
Pace. 
I don't know what's in there. 

616
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,840
I'm not sure I want to know. 
Definitely don't want to drink. 

617
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,280
Probably a naked drinking. 
Mountain Dew mixed in. 

618
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,000
Yeah, she should have put some. 
Some sparkling ice in there for 

619
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,240
carbonation. 
Make that bubbly love potion. 

620
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,840
It's better that way. 
So that's a that's a great point

621
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,480
pacing this all together as far 
as where that is and the 

622
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960
location and the proximity to 
Doran. 

623
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,480
There could be some some in laws
that were that are relevant 

624
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,560
here. 
But it's also interesting to 

625
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,280
point out this connection that a
lot of to to seal the piece. 

626
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,240
King Garon married a lot of his 
family to people in the reach, 

627
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,840
people on the rather people on 
the marches, which is still part

628
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,800
of the reach. 
Some of it is and people in 

629
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,440
Doran to bring them into the 
fold, for example, Baylor 

630
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,000
Brakespear's wife, Jenna 
Donderi. 

631
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,520
That's part of why we find him 
hanging out with Manfred 

632
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,280
Dondering later their in laws. 
That's a good summary. 

633
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,400
I think of why Egg might have 
wanted to leave Summer Hall. 

634
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,160
You you, you mentioned he may 
have been kind of forgotten 

635
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,560
about. 
He's not the first born. 

636
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,880
It's the ones who were higher up
in the line of succession, the 

637
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,240
ones who are going to get more 
attention. 

638
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Like you said, Ari is a great 
example of that. 

639
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,280
Jon Snow. 
I mean, obviously Egg's not a 

640
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920
bastard, but Jon was, you know, 
the farther down in the line of 

641
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,880
succession you are, the more you
sort of get treated similarly to

642
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,960
that, right? 
The, the, that distinction loses

643
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,440
some of its sharpness the 
farther down you go like that. 

644
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Different details that come 
together really nicely. 

645
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,040
So let's keep all that in mind 
as we move on. 

646
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Let's talk about a few of the 
other regions, King's Landing 

647
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,760
and Doran. 
We're going to talk about plenty

648
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,280
during, but let's talk real 
briefly about what's happening 

649
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,000
elsewhere, just for the fun of 
it. 

650
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,760
In the North, we've got Lord 
Baron Stark, most likely because

651
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,280
we know he's going to die within
a couple of years here. 

652
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,880
So seems likely enough that he's
the one in charge. 

653
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Now, whether he is or isn't, the
next most likely would be 

654
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Rodwell, which what a great 
name. 

655
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,360
Rodwell sounds like a porn star,
and he would have been Baron's 

656
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,760
older brother. 
He never had kids. 

657
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,280
Baron was married to Laura 
Royce. 

658
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,360
This is a very important 
marriage. 

659
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,280
The Stark branches, as most of 
you know, were reunited. 

660
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,160
There were two major Stark 
branches united by Rickard, 

661
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,400
Ned's father, marrying his own 
first cousin, Liara. 

662
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Both of those branches emerged 
from this Baron Laura Royce 

663
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,560
marriage. 
So pretty crucial timeline point

664
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,880
in the timeline for the Starks 
here as far as starting off of a

665
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,200
a big group of family members 
that we're all very familiar 

666
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,800
with. 
There may have just been a 

667
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Skagosi rebellion sometime in 
the 20 years roughly around 

668
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,360
there was a nasty Skagosi 
rebellion that claimed the life 

669
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,840
of Barth Blacksword. 
It would have been cool name. 

670
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,680
We've got Medgar Tully who is 
seen in this story. 

671
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,840
But by the time we have another 
story, meaning the mystery 

672
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,520
night, we're going to find out 
that Medgar is gone. 

673
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,720
There is no more Medgar, and 
there's a boy in charge of of 

674
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,920
the Riverlands. 
So clearly Medgar Tully is not 

675
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,720
long for this world. 
There's perhaps some lingering 

676
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,760
resentment from the Black Fire 
rebellions in the Riverlands and

677
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,680
damage, you know, there's a lot 
of, that's where a lot of the 

678
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,560
fighting was. 
So could still be recovering 

679
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,240
from that. 
And of course, the Blackwood 

680
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,880
bracket issue is raised here as 
well. 

681
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,920
That's going to become 
important. 

682
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,760
We're going to have plenty to 
say about that over the course 

683
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,680
of our coverage because Egg, of 
course, marries a Blackwood. 

684
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,240
In the West. 
We have Damon Lannister, AKA the

685
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Greek Gray Lion, almost called 
him the Green Lion. 

686
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,200
He's Tywin's great grandfather, 
right? 

687
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,000
Tywin's father. 
Tito's hasn't been born yet, but

688
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560
his grandfather Gerald is about 
13. 

689
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,120
And I know big stories from out 
of this time right at the 

690
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,239
moment. 
But Dunk was in Lannisport the 

691
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,719
year before. 
We know that much. 

692
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,520
And that occurs to me that Dunk 
might be more comfortable in a 

693
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,199
place like Lannisport than in a 
lot of other places because he's

694
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,480
from King's Landing. 
You know, he's from. 

695
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,199
He's a city boy now. 
He spent a lot of time in the 

696
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,800
hedges, but, you know, he's from
the city. 

697
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,560
What? 
What would you think about that?

698
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,760
Like, if you were a hedge Dunk, 
do you think you would hang out 

699
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,080
near the cities, you know, 
looking for work there, or would

700
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,800
you hit the road more like 
setting aside, not knowing 

701
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,679
exactly what would work best. 
Yeah. 

702
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:50,320
I don't know. 
I was. 

703
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,000
Thinking about that, if Dunk 
would rather be you know, this 

704
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,120
is like a a broad statement, but
I in my mind the more. 

705
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Into. 
The countryside and the Maybe 

706
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:08,000
the more into the north you get 
the more honorable things, the 

707
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,200
more Spartan I guess. 
I don't know how to say it. 

708
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Whereas in the city, where a 
Dunk might feel like a big, 

709
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,080
strong, honorable warrior, might
feel better in the North than in

710
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,000
a city, but Dunk being from the 
city might be more comfortable 

711
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,920
in the busy streets and the. 
But maybe his perspective will 

712
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,080
have changed from having left 
that. 

713
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,440
And yeah, he doesn't seem to 
think of it too fondly. 

714
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,000
You know, maybe. 
No, you're right to be done with

715
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:31,920
it. 
I mean he was from Flea. 

716
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,840
Bottom that's not exactly the 
best part of the city. 

717
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,200
In fact, it's the worst part of 
the city. 

718
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,080
So he not might not like he may 
have the familiarity, but that 

719
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,280
doesn't mean he's like it's 
where he wants to be. 

720
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,400
So those two and even if he got 
into. 

721
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,960
Quote UN quote better parts of 
the city. 

722
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,800
He might be quickly disenchanted
when you realize that everyone's

723
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,240
angling against each other. 
You know what I mean? 

724
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:52,600
There's not really that much 
honor. 

725
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,720
Most of the nights are just 
being, are just being paid to 

726
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,800
guard someone's merchant shop. 
And not that that isn't even 

727
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,600
valuable, but it's just isn't 
like his idealistic vision of 

728
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,560
what a night is, you know? 
Yeah, good point. 

729
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,160
Maybe. 
Yeah, maybe it's, it's hard to 

730
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,320
be a night in the city, you 
could say. 

731
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,560
Maybe at least his his style of 
night. 

732
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,920
Good point. 
Good point. 

733
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,720
So in the Stormlands, Lionel 
Bratton, of course, the laughing

734
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:18,400
Storm, he's not the Lord of 
Storms End in this story. 

735
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,680
He is the heir, but he is going 
to be the Lord of Storms End and

736
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,520
he's going to be a big figure in
history. 

737
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,800
There's some really famous art 
of him in the world of ice and 

738
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,640
fire, Iron Islets. 
They're not much a part of this 

739
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,400
story at all. 
I don't even think it mentioned.

740
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,200
They certainly are going to come
up in the next one indirectly. 

741
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,120
The guy who's running things 
when they do make their moves 

742
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,360
shortly here in about a year or 
so is Lord Dagon. 

743
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,880
So when you're named after an 
ancient undersea deity or 

744
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,640
monster from the Hulu mythos, 
you know you're pretty serious. 

745
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,520
So he's. 
Probably in charge, or he's 

746
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,080
about to, maybe his father's 
about to die and that's going to

747
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,440
enable him to take over and he's
immediately going to start doing

748
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,880
stuff. 
The veil is, well, we don't 

749
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,560
know, No Lord Aaron, no House 
Royce here. 

750
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,480
And we do have Humphrey Harding,
that important character in this

751
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,680
story. 
He is from the Vale. 

752
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,920
He apparently beat Lord Aaron in
a melee the year before. 

753
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,880
It is pretty far. 
That might be why. 

754
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,640
I mean, we know northerners 
don't go to tournaments much 

755
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,480
anyway, but even if they did, 
this tournament is super, super 

756
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,360
far away. 
Let's go ahead and discuss where

757
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,520
it is. 
If you, if you look at the map, 

758
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,880
go to Highgarden, find 
Highgarden on the map, then just

759
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,720
go straight east or right and 
you'll find Ashford almost right

760
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,360
away. 
So you you just follow the 

761
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,800
mandor up. 
It's tributary. 

762
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,080
The cockles went, which is a 
great word. 

763
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,680
Cockles went and there you go 
Ashford. 

764
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,480
So it's it's pretty easy to find
on the map. 

765
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,920
Most of the maps have it because
it's it's a notable location. 

766
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Even though it's not a super 
important location. 

767
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,320
It's it's important because it's
been a part of stories like 

768
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,480
this, by the way. 
What with Lady went, I'm just 

769
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:16,120
picturing her like cockles went.
That is a great word. 

770
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Chickens. 
Went hens, went Roosters, Yeah. 

771
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Of. 
Course last but not. 

772
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,840
Least we have the Reach. 
Leo Tyrell, AKA Leo Longthorne. 

773
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,280
Now Leo Tyrell, he pulled a 
Walder Frey in the Blackfyre 

774
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,280
Rebellions. 
He was like, oh, you know, I was

775
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,000
getting my army together to show
up and fight. 

776
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,800
You know, it was all over by the
time I did that. 

777
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,440
They're like, yeah, but who are 
you going to fight for? 

778
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,040
Oh, you know, I was. 
But loyal. 

779
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,760
I was going to be loyal, yeah. 
I was going to be on the winning

780
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,480
side. 
This guy's a highly successful 

781
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,440
tournament knight, but is he a 
good fighter? 

782
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,280
I don't know. 
We that's that's two things 

783
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,000
don't necessarily go together as
we have been introduced to very 

784
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,200
early in The Song of Ice and 
Fire. 

785
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,600
Now here's a. 
Little Easter egg or a little 

786
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,720
dot connecting? 
Tyrion tries to get a rise out 

787
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,560
of Oberon in A Storm of Swords 
by bringing up Willis Tyrell, 

788
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,440
the Dornish. 
Men did not react as expected. 

789
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,840
I had a letter from Willis not 
half a year past. 

790
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,720
We share an interest in fine 
horse flesh. 

791
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,360
He has never borne me, Sean. 
He made me laugh sounds. 

792
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,160
Like they're talking about. 
Eating it, you're like, yeah, we

793
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,120
love to eat fine horse flesh. 
Medium rare. 

794
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,960
It's my favorite. 
OK, I'm going to not. 

795
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,000
Look at Sean now. 
We share an. 

796
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,920
Interesting fine horse flesh. 
He has never borne me any ill 

797
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,680
will for what happened in the 
lists. 

798
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,280
I struck his breastplate clean, 
but his foot caught in a stirrup

799
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,560
as he fell, and his horse came 
down on top of him. 

800
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,760
I sent a maester to him 
afterward, but it was all he 

801
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,160
could do to save the boy's leg. 
The knee was far past mending. 

802
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,320
If anywhere to blame, it was his
full of a father. 

803
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,200
Willis Tyrell was green as his 
Sir coat and had no business 

804
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,000
riding in such. 
The fat flower thrust him into 

805
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,880
attorneys at too tender an age, 
just as he did with the other 

806
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,680
two. 
He wanted another Leo Longthorn 

807
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,560
and made himself a cripple. 
There are. 

808
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Those that say Sir Loris is 
better than Leo Longthorn ever 

809
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,960
was, said Tyrion. 
Renly's little rose. 

810
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,960
I doubt that couple. 
Things funny about. 

811
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
This really. 
I was going to say one thing 

812
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,600
funny, but this was actually 
several things funny. 

813
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,720
A horse flesh aside, first of 
all, Obra just has a mocking 

814
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,200
name for everyone. 
Kind of like Stannis. 

815
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,760
Remember, the Hedge Knight was 
written before this. 

816
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,720
So George wrote this dot to 
connect to the Hedge knight, not

817
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,880
the other way around, right? 
The Hedge Knight was written 

818
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,160
first. 
We also see a. 

819
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:51,280
Similar example here we have 
Harding, who gets his leg badly 

820
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,760
wounded because of Aryans. 
Well, dishonor, putting it 

821
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,200
mildly. 
Just yeah, I'm going to just 

822
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,720
stab your horse instead. 
And of course, that wasn't your 

823
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:01,760
foot getting caught in a 
stirrup. 

824
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680
That was your horse getting 
impaled and it falling on top of

825
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,840
you. 
So a little different in terms 

826
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,320
of the cause, but it is similar 
injury. 

827
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:13,080
And I guess this Harding fellow 
just a little little tougher. 

828
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,400
He he's like, I, I can't, my leg
is worthless, but get me on that

829
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,520
horse. 
I can still joust. 

830
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,040
That is that's a tough man. 
But unfortunately, he didn't 

831
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,840
drink some milk of the. 
Poppy Yeah. 

832
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,760
And then he gets. 
Then he gets. 

833
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,760
A Lance in the groin and dies. 
So you know that's no fun. 

834
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,800
So as I said, the first Black 
Fire rebellion's already 

835
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,160
occurred. 
It's been a while 13 years. 

836
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,760
So of course Damon and his 
eldest sons are dead. 

837
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,480
Of the other 3 great bastards, 
Bitter Steel has yet to form the

838
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,400
Golden Company. 
That's coming in about 3 years 

839
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,960
and he's probably in the second 
sons at this point. 

840
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,560
That's kind of fun to hear about
right Sean? 

841
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,200
That, that the Second Sons were 
around back then and we got 

842
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,320
someone like Bitter Steel in 
there. 

843
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,320
And I don't know if you remember
that chapter from Dance Dragons 

844
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,760
where that gets mentioned. 
Even Oberyn was in there and 

845
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,840
some other people like that. 
Yeah. 

846
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,800
Yeah, it's pretty cool, huh? 
I I just like the. 

847
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,960
Idea of a company called The 
Second Son. 

848
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,400
That's a neat idea to me. 
Yeah, right. 

849
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,040
And they all. 
Really are like Oberyn is the 

850
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,480
second son and better steel was.
Not really second. 

851
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,360
Son, but it's it's. 
And not not a first son doesn't 

852
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,040
roll off the tongue as well as. 
But not a first. 

853
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,640
Son. 
Brendan. 

854
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,680
Rivers at this point AKA 
Bloodrape, most likely master of

855
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,960
whispers to King Deron. 
He's going to be Hand to King 

856
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,440
Aerys and King Makar. 
But he wasn't hand for Deron, he

857
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,680
was trusted. 
Deron is the one who gave him 

858
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,280
Dark Sister apparent and Sierra 
Seastar is probably there as 

859
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,200
well. 
She's still probably turning 

860
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,400
lots of heads up. 
Of course, it sounds like she 

861
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,800
did that her whole life and but 
Bittersteel's gones is no longer

862
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,440
like some fight over her, but 
maybe other people are fighting 

863
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,880
over her. 
Any in any case, she's probably 

864
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,720
still around now of key 
importance, of course, it's that

865
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,280
Dornish connection. 
I already brought up some of the

866
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,560
connections, but there is the 
sister of King Garon Daenerys. 

867
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,680
It's the original Daenerys, the 
one that not the first Daenerys,

868
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,840
but the first one that's 
mentioned in the story. 

869
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,280
There's actually a another 
Daenerys that comes along in 

870
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,800
fire in fire and blood, but she 
dies really young. 

871
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,000
So this is the one who the Water
Gardens are made for. 

872
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,240
Yet another dot connecting to 
the latter books, A Beast for 

873
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:18,960
Prose, is when we're introduced 
to the Water Gardens. 

874
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,560
And of course, Darren himself is
married to Maron's sister, 

875
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,160
Mariah Martel. 
So you have Darren married to 

876
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,000
Mariah Martel and Maron Martel 
married to Daenerys Targaryen. 

877
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,760
This double marriage is the 
foundation for the new peace 

878
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,120
that seeks to make Doran a 
permanent part of the Kingdom of

879
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,040
the Iron Throne. 
Had the Black Fire Rebellion 

880
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,840
been lost, that peace may have 
been shattered, but this double 

881
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,320
marriage has been in place for 
for decades now. 

882
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,920
There's these unions have 
produced heirs and these heirs 

883
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,640
are set to take over soonish. 
Yeah. 

884
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,560
Doesn't that sound awfully 
familiar? 

885
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,320
Weren't we just on the cusp of 
that in Song of Ice and Fire, 10

886
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,360
years before Robert's Rebellion?
Anyway, 1/2 Dornish, half 

887
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,480
Targaryen. 
Dornish Targaryen marriage had 

888
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,440
been sealed and they already had
kids. 

889
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,280
And there was a Prince Aegon who
was half Dornish, half 

890
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,960
Targaryen, was going to take 
throne eventually. 

891
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,280
And now all of a sudden, you 
have a possibly real, possibly 

892
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,040
not. 
Yeah, it just all got. 

893
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,840
Blown up. 
Nice. 

894
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,160
So this is the same like 
basically a son of Rhaegar and 

895
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Elia Martel. 
Setting aside the likelihood 

896
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,360
that he's fake, ostensibly has 
the same heritage as Baylor 

897
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,920
breaks, period. 
Did that did that occur to you? 

898
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,720
Did you notice that when you 
were reading this, this, this 

899
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,400
Dornish Targaryen connection? 
Or did I don't know if. 

900
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,000
I specifically thought about 
that connection or parallel, but

901
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,840
I I have noted a sort of a theme
of trying to keep Dorn in the 

902
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,680
fold. 
Dorn was like the last to join 

903
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,400
and several different marriages 
between Targaryens and Dornish. 

904
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,960
Yeah, never attacking them. 
Never worked. 

905
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,880
They never worked out. 
But marriages, well, that didn't

906
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,160
work out either, but it worked 
out better. 

907
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,600
So yeah, that's that's really 
important. 

908
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,040
You wonder what if George is 
making a statement there like no

909
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,160
these, you know, they kept 
trying to conquer them and they 

910
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,800
just kept fighting back. 
But when they tried to make it 

911
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,200
more on even footing, make make 
them, you know, bring them into 

912
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,840
the fold as equals, well, that 
had a lot better results, but it

913
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,920
still didn't truly. 
Work. 

914
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,960
It still didn't truly work 
because. 

915
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,360
Yeah, but they're part of the 
realm. 

916
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,520
So it it did the what it needed 
to do, it didn't self destruct. 

917
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,320
We'll put it that way. 
Other people messed it up. 

918
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,280
There's. 
Also I. 

919
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,240
Find this sort of an irony that 
I maybe even can make some sense

920
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:36,520
of, but that there's like this 
drive to get Dorn to be part of 

921
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,560
the Seven Kingdoms, and maybe 
there's some skirmish from Dorn 

922
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,240
into the Reach. 
I don't know how much of that 

923
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,040
there was, but it seemed to me 
like there's a lot more of 

924
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,120
attacking into Dorn to try to 
make them submit, right? 

925
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,880
Well, let me jump. 
In for his arms of large scale 

926
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,920
invasions. 
You're right. 

927
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,880
In terms of small scale 
invasions it would be the 

928
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,720
Dornish invade attacking the 
Reach because the the huge 

929
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:03,840
mountain passes protect Dorn 
from invasion and and provide a 

930
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,360
quick escape route for Raiders. 
But in terms of large scale 

931
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,680
invasions, absolutely you're 
right. 

932
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,040
Yeah, like holy big armies on 
the flip. 

933
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,320
Side it seems like the iron, 
iron, iron, iron, iron. 

934
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,840
Constantly. 
Are attacking the North and the 

935
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:22,560
West and maybe others too. 
But the Targaryens are almost 

936
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,720
oblivious to it, right? 
They, I don't think there was 

937
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,520
ever this concerted effort to go
put them in their place or 

938
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,080
defend Casterly Rock from them 
or whatever else they're like, 

939
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,840
They're gonna do what they're 
gonna do. 

940
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,480
But we got to get Dorn. 
We got to get Dorn. 

941
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,920
You know there's not. 
Really. 

942
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:42,440
An effort from the Lannisters or
the Starks, you know, who are on

943
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,080
the border with the Iron 
Islands, You might think that 

944
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,560
they would want to broker a 
piece. 

945
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,320
You're right, they did. 
Somewhat look east and South a 

946
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,040
lot more than they look West 
because it's they're. 

947
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,440
Borders. 
It's what's closer to them, it's

948
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,920
what it's affecting them more 
often. 

949
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,160
You know, right, King's land is 
on the other. 

950
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,360
Side yes, yeah, it's like I'll 
let our vassals deal with that. 

951
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,680
You guys are you're great 
houses. 

952
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,840
You can't deal with some 
Ironborn. 

953
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,920
Come on after the hedge night 
we're going to see people say 

954
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,880
blood Raven is focused too much 
on the east. 

955
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,840
He's too worried about the 
return of the blackfires. 

956
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Meanwhile, the Ironborn are, you
know, ravaging the western 

957
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,960
shores. 
So you're absolutely right that 

958
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:22,040
this is kind of a long standing 
issue of focus where the a lot 

959
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,880
of different kings have been 
more focused on adding to the 

960
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,960
realm than stabilizing and 
solving the problems that are 

961
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,640
already there. 
They'd rather be remembered as 

962
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,000
conquerors than people who made 
peace Yeah. 

963
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,240
And you know. 
Even though they want to 

964
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:44,080
seemingly own everything on the 
continent, they don't care about

965
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,480
what's way up north because it's
useless to them. 

966
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,320
I don't know, it's just. 
It's poor. 

967
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,600
It's a great point. 
Yeah. 

968
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,880
Like that. 
That's a fantastic point there. 

969
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,760
There's less value in settling 
that north of the wall. 

970
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,560
Is also like. 
Doesn't count, you know they're 

971
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,160
not as interested in. 
That you're totally right. 

972
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,160
So that's an important thing to 
keep in mind. 

973
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,960
Now in current time, this 
fusion, this attempted 

974
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,400
peacemaking, we have one of the 
exception. 

975
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,840
Daron the good is one of those 
exceptions who does not want to 

976
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,280
be remembered for conquest. 
He apologized. 

977
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,800
He he continued the apology tour
started by Baylor Brakespear. 

978
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,840
I'm sorry. 
Baylor the blessed, which is 

979
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,080
part of why he named his first 
born Baylor 'cause he loved 

980
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,920
Baylor the blessed so much. 
Baylor was very dedicated to 

981
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,160
peace. 
Baylor apologized for his older 

982
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,800
brother Daron, the first 
invasion of Dorn. 

983
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,720
And here we have Daron the 
second also carrying that on 

984
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:36,440
saying, yes, we don't want to 
invade you, we want to be your 

985
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,120
friends, we do this double 
marriage, etcetera, etcetera. 

986
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,600
There's a lot of resentment over
that. 

987
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,720
As we said, maybe you can make a
case that Rhaegar really did 

988
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,200
self destruct some of that. 
But setting that aside, they 

989
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,760
people, a lot of people wanted 
these marriages to work because 

990
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,000
it would be peace. 
But a lot of people wanted to 

991
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,840
the former status quo to return,
which was enemies. 

992
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
You want to be enemies with Dorn
because that's how you make a 

993
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,400
name for yourself. 
You need to have someone to 

994
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,520
fight. 
They have this long martial 

995
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,800
tradition of being warriors of 
the marches, Knights of the 

996
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,080
Marches, defending the this 
region against Dornish Raiders. 

997
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,240
This has been the state of 
affairs for literally thousands 

998
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,160
of years. 
It's the modern. 

999
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,520
World too. 
You know what I mean? 

1000
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,440
Who do we study in history? 
We study the conquerors, the, 

1001
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,520
the, the, the rulers, the 
murderers, you know, those are 

1002
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,840
the people that for better 
worse, get known and remembered 

1003
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,160
and have statues built. 
I think we're finally starting 

1004
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,120
to come around to a more 
civilized mindset in society. 

1005
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,160
But it is a a disappointing 
piece of humanity that we, yeah,

1006
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,080
that we celebrate. 
The the Congress celebrate war 

1007
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,080
and war leaders, you know. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1008
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,800
That's it's certainly consistent
with how a lot of the real world

1009
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,480
operates. 
So that's a good thing to bring 

1010
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,760
up there, Sean. 
So there's a lot of resentment. 

1011
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,200
That's part of why you don't 
see. 

1012
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,080
But was this tournament is 
Ashford Meadow? 

1013
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,760
It's not that far from Dorn, 
right? 

1014
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,480
We just established that. 
But how many Dornish are here? 

1015
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,080
Tanzel the puppeteer, that's her
and her people, right? 

1016
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,040
That's pretty much it. 
There's not a lot of the Dornish

1017
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,040
folk aren't like, yeah, let's go
to that tournament in Ashford. 

1018
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,040
They're not they're not close 
enough yet. 

1019
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,560
The the cultural barriers 
haven't been torn down yet. 

1020
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,280
The too many of the people who 
are still alive were raised to 

1021
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,040
hate the Dornish. 
Too many of the Dornish who 

1022
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,560
were, you know, who were still 
alive in these days, they were 

1023
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,640
raised to hate the rich men and 
the Stormlanders and their 

1024
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,480
fathers, like many of them 
fought and died against them. 

1025
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,040
So you go from a generation that
that had forever fought them and

1026
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,880
did fight them to another, the 
next generation that was told to

1027
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,200
hate them but didn't actually 
fight them very much. 

1028
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,760
And now you have a generation 
that's just got this distant 

1029
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,000
memory of they just don't like 
them. 

1030
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,480
You know, I was like, but 
eventually it's going to turn 

1031
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,200
into just sort of a sort of a 
low simmering prejudice rather 

1032
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,280
than a these are our ancestral 
enemies that we must kill, you 

1033
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,800
know, but it that's the kind of 
thing that doesn't just fall 

1034
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,560
off. 
A great example in the current 

1035
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,760
story of that is the extreme 
difficulty the Night's Watch 

1036
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,160
brothers have in accepting the 
wildlings as allies. 

1037
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,160
Similar parallel John struggling
to get them. 

1038
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,200
John Jamie Dare on the good 
here, trying to get the realm to

1039
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,120
accept this, but he doesn't have
as many tools to make it happen.

1040
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,240
There's not as many marriages to
make, but he did make one, 

1041
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,400
right? 
The Magnar of Femme and Alice 

1042
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Karstar I suppose there. 
Is a parallel there, but I don't

1043
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,760
feel like it's as strong or as 
focused on, you know, like there

1044
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,960
is like they're not as clearly 
divided by a a massive wall, you

1045
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,240
know what I mean? 
And they they don't have like a 

1046
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,080
different language in it. 
I mean there are differences in 

1047
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,680
their culture, but they still 
have like a a king and Knights 

1048
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,760
and you know, they still have a 
a similar foundation for their 

1049
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,640
the free folk are like. 
Hundreds of different small 

1050
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,960
cultural groups. 
Where Darwin is has a lot of 

1051
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,240
different cultural groups, but 
they're not nearly that 

1052
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,480
desperate. 
They've been more. 

1053
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,320
Separated from more time and 
more geographically and and and 

1054
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,880
more at odds with the people on 
the other side too. 

1055
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,640
You know more. 
You see some of the. 

1056
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,800
Some of those connections like 
Stannis is trying to bring them 

1057
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,080
in the realm. 
Stannis is like, look, you guys 

1058
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,840
can be subjects of the realm, 
but it's happening under very 

1059
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,600
extreme circumstances. 
Like if Stannis was king in in a

1060
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,200
time of peace, would he do this?
You know, he, he just needs more

1061
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,120
men. 
He's kind of desperate. 

1062
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:25,920
He might, he might do it. 
I'm not, I don't know for sure, 

1063
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,160
but he's definitely doing this 
and it's kind of questionable. 

1064
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,000
Stannis is being I I want to say
Stannis is being questioned as 

1065
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,160
much as John, and that's not 
quite true, but that's probably 

1066
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,240
because Stannis will burn you to
death if you don't. 

1067
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,280
Yeah, John's not forcing. 
Anyone to change their religion 

1068
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,200
nor which is also an important 
thing here. 

1069
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,040
This is something that helps 
Dorn and reunite with the rest 

1070
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,360
of the realm as they share same 
religion. 

1071
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,200
That's a huge connection with 
like, I don't know if Baylor or 

1072
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,200
the blessed, who you know, is 
the Septon King would have been 

1073
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,640
quite as excited about merging 
the realms if they worship 

1074
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,600
Weywoods or something, right, or
if they worship relore. 

1075
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,240
So that's a very important thing
to keep in mind as well. 

1076
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,480
These cultural you're you're 
very right to bring the 

1077
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,200
differences in culture as 
something that is not the same. 

1078
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,680
Some of those things are the 
same. 

1079
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,560
Like there's some northern 
cultural traditions that that 

1080
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,200
free folk would agree with. 
You know, more of like making 

1081
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,480
your own decisions that he who 
swings this passes the sentence 

1082
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,200
belief in the old gods. 
But you're right. 

1083
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,680
The differences are much larger.
Like there happens. 

1084
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,920
To be this natural barrier 
between Dorn and the Reach or 

1085
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,000
the rest of the realm or 
whatever. 

1086
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,680
But there was a wall built to 
keep out the northern, the the 

1087
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,240
wildlings or whatever. 
So yeah. 

1088
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,280
I've. 
I've I've worked. 

1089
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,360
Out a long list of scenes and so
we're going to kind of go 

1090
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,920
through these scenes. 
They're like micro scenes. 

1091
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,360
Like a scene could for example 
would be him burying Sir Arlen, 

1092
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,440
then next scene is him meeting 
AG and then they see the 

1093
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,440
banners. 
Then there's the pavilions, the 

1094
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,480
puppet show, etcetera. 
So lots of little micro scenes 

1095
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,320
here. 
Scott had his. 

1096
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,440
Facebook poll in the group that 
was asking whether we think Junk

1097
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,800
was actually knighted or not, 
and the answers are quite 

1098
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:17,080
resounding. 69 people say he 
wasn't knighted, 4 people say he

1099
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,040
was knighted. 
So you 4 people keep on believe 

1100
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,120
5. 
Is that you Sean? 

1101
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,600
Make that 5. 
Make that 5 Sean's going to. 

1102
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,360
Hold that candle. 
Yeah, that's a great question. 

1103
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,040
Like Scott, I remember he 
messaged me this not too long 

1104
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,560
ago. 
So the poll wasn't up very long.

1105
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,120
That's why there's only 73 
votes. 

1106
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,400
But still, you know, it doesn't 
need to be up very long. 

1107
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,680
We can see the the huge 
disparity there, right? 

1108
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,080
Yeah, we're just going. 
To get a flood of of pro night 

1109
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,120
in there? 
I don't think so. 

1110
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,480
Probably start talking. 
For that and go a whole hour. 

1111
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,280
Right now, I don't know if I'm 
going to put that off for 

1112
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,120
another topic or touch on it 
slightly. 

1113
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,400
Right now I think let's not, but
what we'll do is we'll let 

1114
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,480
people know that it's what we 
want. 

1115
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,920
To talk about. 
So folks, get your arguments 

1116
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,760
ready for next time. 
We'll talk about whether Dunk 

1117
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,280
was really knighted. 
The scene where he declines 

1118
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,800
tonight, Raymond, where he 
hesitates. 

1119
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,680
Maybe that's when the best time 
for it will be. 

1120
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,000
But we'll, we'll allow a little 
more set up time first. 

1121
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,440
So folks, send in your thoughts 
on why you think he was or 

1122
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,000
wasn't knighted and give us your
details. 

1123
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,280
Give us your logic, give us your
reasoning, and give us your 

1124
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,240
guests. 
I will say on my third reread. 

1125
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,680
That was like the focus of my 
read was like looking for 

1126
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,560
evidence and I found lots of 
evidence on both sides. 

1127
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,240
I think I mentioned to you Aziz 
that I think like a pro con 

1128
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:32,200
list. 
I found a few more indicators 

1129
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,400
that he was, but maybe the ones 
that he aren't are a little 

1130
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,760
stronger. 
And I'm not even like adamant 

1131
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,600
one way or the other. 
I just think it's Paul. 

1132
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,920
I don't think it's a shut and 
close case. 

1133
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,920
There's a lot of ways that maybe
he could have been, but it 

1134
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,440
didn't count or the he isn't 
necessarily lying about it. 

1135
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,720
Even if he wasn't really or in a
different we again, we could 

1136
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:54,160
talk about it forever. 
But yeah, good comment by. 

1137
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,840
Palavan here says the the puppet
show by the two Dornish women 

1138
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,960
with the knight killing the 
dragon could be a very popular 

1139
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:03,280
story in Dorn from the decades 
of fighting with Targaryens and 

1140
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,120
driving them away and somewhat 
winning. 

1141
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,560
Yeah, actually resisting the 
Targaryens. 

1142
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,480
You think Dorn would be proud of
that, given no one else resisted

1143
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,320
the Targaryens for so long? 
No one else resisted the Dragons

1144
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,920
because even when they were 
brought to heal temporarily by 

1145
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,680
Deron the First, there were no 
Dragons, no literal Dragons 

1146
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,960
involved. 
So that's a great point. 

1147
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,680
Yeah. 
You would think that they would 

1148
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,560
be. 
You know, that would be a 

1149
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,600
national point of pride. 
We know that the. 

1150
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,400
What is it? 
House Tolland has a dragon sigil

1151
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,440
that was designed after the 
Conquest in honor of their 

1152
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,840
encounter with Aegon the 
Conqueror himself. 

1153
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,800
Yeah, with Rainey's most 
particularly. 

1154
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,200
And then Rainey. 
'S as well. 

1155
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,520
They shot her down. 
That's. 

1156
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,000
You know, they'd think of that 
one too. 

1157
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,080
And thinking of their successes 
brings us to this other 

1158
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,800
question. 
From JT Lambeau Gaming Do we 

1159
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,040
think the puppet show is a 
depiction of Dorn taking out the

1160
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,560
dragon with a scorpion? 
I do not. 

1161
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,680
I think that's too on the nose. 
It would upset a lot of people. 

1162
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,480
I think what that that it would 
still hearten Dornish, but that 

1163
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,080
it was a tale from many yeah, 
many yards ago. 

1164
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,920
I wonder if indorn they're a 
little. 

1165
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,520
More aggressive with the 
depiction, But I think you're 

1166
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,880
right that given how Aryan 
reacted, you got to figure it 

1167
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,880
could provoke. 
If it was more provocative, it 

1168
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,120
might provoke someone less 
easily provoked than Aryan, and 

1169
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,360
that would be a big risk to 
take. 

1170
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,800
So it's possible, but I think 
maybe they're just trying to 

1171
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,480
conjure that image. 
Like a Dornish person's going to

1172
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,560
see this and it's going to make 
them think of barracksies. 

1173
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,480
But you don't want to be that 
blatant with it. 

1174
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,760
There might be some who would 
put that puppet. 

1175
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,080
Show on less innocently, you 
know, they not maybe Tansel and 

1176
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,120
her troop might not have been 
doing it, but there might be 

1177
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,600
some who would. 
It would be a jab, you know, at 

1178
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,480
the Targaryens to put that show 
on. 

1179
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,320
But if they put it up a notch or
two, then other Targaryens might

1180
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,920
also. 
They might have been arrested, 

1181
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,760
you know. 
Well, sad. 

1182
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,440
Yeah. 
And of course, we'll come back 

1183
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,480
to this point A. 
Little later we have parallel to

1184
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,720
discuss in modern times with 
puppet shows and how things go 

1185
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:17,440
for people that aren't careful 
with who they might offend 

1186
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,960
amongst the powerful. 
I want to read this off real 

1187
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:21,520
quick. 
Just a. 

1188
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,960
Quick list of. 
Characters who were going to get

1189
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,520
into deeper detail before, but I
wanted to set it up now so y'all

1190
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,360
can start thinking about it. 
If you want start letting it 

1191
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,840
percolate in your mind, Let it 
marinate on this for a while. 

1192
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,680
Mostly parallel characters, but 
also a few parallel situations 

1193
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,400
and also some inversions. 
Starting off with Deron the 

1194
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,040
Drunken and Tyrion. 
Huge group of parallels there. 

1195
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:45,080
Dunk. 
And. 

1196
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,120
Brienne, I think a lot of you 
were well aware of that one 

1197
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,160
already, but you may not have 
caught all the different 

1198
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,840
examples. 
Then Dunk and Duck. 

1199
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,760
Then likewise Egg and Young 
Griff, Aegon and Fagon. 

1200
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:00,320
You could say Arian and Euron, 
then Arian and Joffrey and 

1201
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,120
Viserys, that they, those 
similarities are very similar to

1202
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,640
each other. 
So it's almost like a triangle 

1203
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,480
of awful Princess Makar and 
Stannis. 

1204
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,720
I mentioned that one already, 
but we'll get deeper in that one

1205
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,000
later. 
Baylor, Brakespeare and Rhaegar 

1206
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,120
Targaryen as well. 
So there's a lot of good 

1207
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,000
examples there, a lot of 
parallels, a lot of things to 

1208
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,920
think about as far as inversions
and comparisons. 

1209
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:27,120
Dunk and the Mountain, Dunk and 
Sandor, Dunk and Jamie, and then

1210
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,760
Manfred Dondarian and Barrick. 
Dondarian has a much smaller 

1211
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,760
parallel, but that's one I 
wanted to highlight as well. 

1212
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,120
Then also we're gonna have 
things like Brienne versus Loris

1213
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,960
and Dunk versus Aryan, how the 
duels are similar ran versus the

1214
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,960
Brave Companion that it. 
Was sort of a a a no chance, no 

1215
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,200
choice. 
You know, Dunk knows he can't 

1216
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,320
just go the a Prince and all his
guards and the whole Targaryen 

1217
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,880
family, but he just does it 
anyway. 

1218
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,040
He just charges in like this is 
just what I have to do. 

1219
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,800
Just like Bran knew she was 
outnumbered, out armed and well,

1220
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,240
I still have to do the right 
thing. 

1221
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,680
Got to love it, got to love it, 
respect. 

1222
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,000
And then Nina. 
Also points out that this is 

1223
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,120
also somewhat similar to to 
before. 

1224
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,320
The no chance, no choice scene 
is also the scene outside the 

1225
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,600
gate, a maiden pool where the 
soldiers are basically having 

1226
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,520
their way with these farmers. 
And they're about to do much 

1227
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,320
worse than that. 
And it's, I think it's a 

1228
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,600
deliberate reference because 
what is the food that they're 

1229
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,200
bringing in? 
Eggs. 

1230
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,160
Dunks. 
Yeah, dunks they're bringing. 

1231
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:34,800
In dunks, keep an eye out all. 
That for that. 

1232
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,200
Folks, when you're reading, if 
you're doing more rereading, 

1233
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,800
keep all those parallels in 
mind. 

1234
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,720
You might catch one that we 
haven't caught. 

1235
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,400
I've already caught a few going 
through here that I hadn't 

1236
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,480
noticed before that I'll be 
sharing with you as we get 

1237
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,200
farther in. 
Our first quote is. 

1238
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,640
The actual first. 
Couple of lines. 

1239
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,560
The spring rains had softened 
the ground, so Dunk had. 

1240
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,440
No trouble digging the grave. 
We chose a spot on the western 

1241
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,200
slope of a low hill, but the old
man had always loved to watch 

1242
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,720
the sunset. 
Another day done, he would sigh.

1243
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,720
And who knows what the Morrow 
will bring us. 

1244
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,000
Hey, Dunk. 
Yeah, it's kind of an 

1245
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,240
interesting mix of. 
Sad and you know that but that 

1246
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,280
last line is is so optimistic so
it's a real mix of but it also 

1247
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,280
really sets up the whole Duncan 
egg, right. 

1248
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,720
That is really the. 
You could say that's a thesis 

1249
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,720
statement of Duncan egg. 
Who knows what the marrow will 

1250
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,600
bring us? 
Hey, Duncan. 

1251
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,200
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's definitely you. 

1252
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,360
You get the. 
Idea that Sir Arlen was a a 

1253
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,040
really good mentor, father 
figure, you know, for Dhaka, 

1254
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,080
among other things, included. 
He, he seemed to have a positive

1255
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,760
outlook on life despite probably
living kind of a tough life. 

1256
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,200
You know, Sir Rowland seemed 
like he was usually, I don't 

1257
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,280
know, in modern terms, living 
paycheck to paycheck, right. 

1258
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,960
But he still was happy with his 
life and had a sense of honor, a

1259
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,840
code that he lived by and that 
that fulfilled him as much as 

1260
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,640
money or a castle or whatever 
else would have, you know. 

1261
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,880
Yeah, one quick tangent I want 
to point out just on my mind as 

1262
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,960
I'm like reading one of these 
quotes, I will never do as well 

1263
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,440
as Harry Lloyd. 
Oh man. 

1264
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,120
One of my reads was the audio 
book and. 

1265
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:15,640
I. 
Highly recommend it. 

1266
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,280
Even if you read the actual 
book, listen to the audio book. 

1267
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:23,880
It's so he is so good. 
I, I, I even went on on Audible,

1268
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,520
I guess to see what else he's 
done. 

1269
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,200
I'm going to listen to Great 
Expectations next. 

1270
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,560
He's done Great Expectations. 
Really. 

1271
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,080
You're right. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1272
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,800
Yeah, he is. 
Really good, you're right about 

1273
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:32,720
that. 
Just in case people have 

1274
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,000
forgotten that. 
That name's familiar, but you 

1275
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,560
can't quite place it. 
That's the actor who played 

1276
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,600
Viserys, who was, who was 
amazing. 

1277
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,320
I mean, as Viserys. 
Like it's hard to imagine having

1278
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:47,240
a positive thought about. 
That individual, but his role as

1279
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,480
the. 
Reader of. 

1280
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,520
Of Duncan Egg has totally 
supplanted for me his role is 

1281
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,720
Viserys, right? 
There's some people that really,

1282
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,480
it seems like. 
Maybe a long shot, but there's 

1283
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:03,040
some hope that he could be one 
of or a or the reader for the 

1284
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,720
wins a winner because obviously 
Roy Datrice has passed, so it 

1285
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,120
won't be him. 
I would love it if you did got 

1286
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:13,160
to find somebody very early on. 
We have a couple of recurring 

1287
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,880
themes that permeate both the 
story and perhaps the quite a 

1288
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,560
bit of Dunk's life and Egg's 
life as well. 

1289
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,800
In part, both main characters 
start with false pretenses 

1290
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,880
regarding their rank. 
Egg, like dramatically 

1291
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,200
undersells his, of course, 
because he's the Prince of the 

1292
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,920
blood. 
A Dunk is just a little fib, 

1293
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,560
like, yeah, he was going to 
knight me. 

1294
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,080
He changes, He changes. 
He was going to knight me until 

1295
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,040
he did knight me or he really 
was knighted. 

1296
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,560
And he's not exaggerating 
anything real. 

1297
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,360
So there's that possibility as 
well. 

1298
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,480
Couple of great notes from Nina 
here. 

1299
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,440
For one, this opening reminds 
the reader of Dunk's own 

1300
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,840
eventual death. 
Let's not forget this is all 

1301
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,080
going to end in tragedy. 
Maybe you don't want to call it 

1302
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,680
a tragedy 'cause they have full 
lives, like during that. 

1303
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,080
You know, just because your life
ends badly doesn't make your 

1304
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,120
whole life a tragedy. 
So let me put that caveat out 

1305
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,120
there. 
I'm not. 

1306
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,720
I'm not trying to bring the 
whole room down here, but yeah, 

1307
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,000
Summerhall 259, fifty years from
now, it's two O 9 here. 

1308
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,080
So 259 is when that happens. 50 
years long way. 50 years is a 

1309
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,200
long time. 
Dunc's going to be in his 60s. 

1310
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,200
But it is a reminder that that 
is the only way this can end. 

1311
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,200
The only way any life ends is in
death. 

1312
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,560
That's as The Onion would would 
tell you from its statistics 

1313
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,520
department. 
World death rate holding steady 

1314
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:37,960
at 100%. 
The author is is, and he's 

1315
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,160
reminding. 
Us that that's just how it. 

1316
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,560
Goes like George doesn't fold 
those kind of punches, George 

1317
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,040
to, you know, I want people to 
have the realism of war, the 

1318
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,600
realism of life and death, all 
that. 

1319
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,560
And that's part of this. 
She also writes in one way, 

1320
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,080
Dunk's death couldn't be more 
different than Arlen's. 

1321
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:56,560
Instead of heavy rains and damp 
winds, we've got flames that 

1322
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,680
grew out of control that burned 
so hot. 

1323
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,320
We don't know exactly the the 
specific details and 

1324
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,640
circumstances, but yeah, 
wildfire burning, conflagration,

1325
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,160
castle collapse, whatever. 
It's, yeah, very much very 

1326
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,960
different than outdoors in the 
rain, right? 

1327
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,320
This is indoors in the fire. 
So George is nothing if not very

1328
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,880
consistent with crossing off all
the connecting points here. 

1329
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,480
And it's really quite impressive
how he covers so many bases. 

1330
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,680
But also age wise, I think Dunk 
is probably going to out. 

1331
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,120
Dunk is certainly going to 
outlive or. 

1332
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,760
That's an interesting. 
Little tidbit because he looks 

1333
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,640
like Arlen is closer to 60 than 
50, but we know Dunk is going to

1334
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,960
live is going to get closer to 
760. 

1335
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,600
It also foreshadows the end of 
this story, right? 

1336
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,960
This it begins with a funeral. 
It ends with a funeral. 

1337
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,880
And also the two characters are 
very different, which is another

1338
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,920
important point of the story. 
Comparing the life of a hedge 

1339
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:59,200
knight or just his foot as he 
thinks about it at the end to a 

1340
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,960
Prince of the blood to the hand 
of the King, to the future king.

1341
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,600
Like how do you make this 
comparison? 

1342
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,240
And this this same comparison is
wrought in these funerals. 

1343
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:13,040
Baylor Brakespear has this 
burned, wearing a black velvet 

1344
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,600
tunic with tunic with the three 
headed dragon picked out in 

1345
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,160
scarlet thread upon his breast 
in a heavy gold chain with his 

1346
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,200
sword sheath by his side. 
A thin golden helm on his head 

1347
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,160
is committed to the flames like 
all members of the hallowed 

1348
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,800
House Targaryen. 
Meanwhile this dude is like 

1349
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,360
thrown in a mud hole and Dunk 
can't even afford to bury him 

1350
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,960
with his stuff. 
Like he's like, no, I can't, I 

1351
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,800
can't put this sword in here 
with you, man. 

1352
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,600
I need this to live. 
And no one and no one looks 

1353
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,120
like, yeah, I feel bad for him. 
This doesn't fit, but I'll keep 

1354
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,120
it anyway. 
The Targaryens are like those. 

1355
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,080
Are treasures on the fire? 
Yeah, right. 

1356
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,600
What an incredible dichotomy. 
And this is one of the. 

1357
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,160
Things that I think that is 
pretty clear. 

1358
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,440
If you're reading it for the 
second time, you may not notice 

1359
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,720
it's the first time because 
you're you're overwhelmed with 

1360
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,000
detail and story and newness. 
It it bookends the story very 

1361
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,640
well, very effective. 
It's one of the. 

1362
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,720
Reasons why I think maybe. 
This is the best of the three 

1363
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,240
stories, even though it's 
lacking in some of the fully 

1364
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,240
fleshed out world building. 
One thing I I thought about when

1365
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,240
I read Nina's notes. 
Though was that I don't know how

1366
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,840
much he intended that in the 1st
place. 

1367
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,440
He very well may have knowing 
how big a picture he seems to 

1368
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,000
have of this whole story. 
But when his book was written, 

1369
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,840
we didn't know anything about 
how Dunk was going to die. 

1370
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:29,240
And some people, for example my 
dad, just read the Dunkin Egg 

1371
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,520
series but hasn't read or seen, 
doesn't know anything else about

1372
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,000
any of Martin's varieties. 
I mean, he's aware like Game of 

1373
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,160
Thrones exists or whatever, but 
so to him there was there's no 

1374
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,880
sort of parallel foreshadowing 
to how Dunk is going to end up. 

1375
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,800
In fact, I'm only superficially 
aware of something happened in 

1376
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,440
Summer Hall and they died in a 
fire. 

1377
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,120
I don't know if you tilt that 
well, you probably by the end of

1378
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,640
the podcast will have it all, 
But no, no, you're. 

1379
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,760
You're actually right there with
like. 

1380
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,560
That's that is about it. 
We know that. 

1381
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,560
Some sort of conflagration that 
involved wildfire, maybe like 

1382
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,680
why it started is that's a whole
another topic. 

1383
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,840
But as far as the trigger, what 
killed them? 

1384
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,040
Yeah, that's it. 
It it's, it's shadowed in some 

1385
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,200
mystery, but so you've got the 
gist of it for sure. 

1386
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,280
OK. 
But yeah, I definitely like the 

1387
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,440
book. 
Ending and the the the the 

1388
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,040
contrast of the nature of the 
the funerals. 

1389
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,560
It is outstanding question is 
these just said that he thinks 

1390
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,439
the hedge night is the best? 
Is do you agree, Sean? 

1391
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:24,880
You don't want to get into it 
right now. 

1392
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:25,800
Wait until. 
How about this? 

1393
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:27,920
Maybe pick your best now and 
then we'll ask you again. 

1394
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,680
Wait at the end when? 
We're done with all three books.

1395
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:30,760
We'll see if your opinions 
change. 

1396
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,640
It'd be a good that's we'll 
bookend the books and I just 

1397
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:35,720
can't pick one. 
I can. 

1398
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,880
I'll try to. 
Briefly explain thoughts for 

1399
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,640
each right one is the 2nd and 
3rd. 

1400
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,040
It's almost fair because they're
building on the 1st right? 

1401
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,840
Like if you just pick one, but 
like if you just read The Sworn 

1402
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,760
Sword without the knowledge of 
the one before, I don't know if 

1403
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,200
it would seem as good. 
Maybe it would, but it's hard to

1404
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,479
know because I didn't do that, 
you know? 

1405
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,520
And another factor is that the 
third one is just longer, so 

1406
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,680
there's more material too. 
It's significant. 

1407
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,920
The second one's a little bit 
longer. 

1408
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,200
The third one's significantly 
longer. 

1409
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,560
I do feel like in the third one 
I had this feeling of like, Oh 

1410
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,160
my God, this is genius, the way 
everything came together. 

1411
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,880
But some of that needed the 
first two books to happen. 

1412
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,240
Another factor is the second 
book. 

1413
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,760
I appreciate the female 
perspective that we get there. 

1414
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,800
I mean, it wasn't actually a 
POB, but it was a significant 

1415
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,600
female character involved, which
stands out from a lot of other 

1416
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,399
knighthood type medieval stories
that are just about warrior, 

1417
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,120
which obviously you're still 
good and Martin does a good job 

1418
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,439
with representational role, but 
I think the middle one does it 

1419
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,359
best. 
And I, I think just my 

1420
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,200
prediction is that you probably 
like the second. 

1421
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:43,439
One for its for, you know, it 
being kind of more mundane, more

1422
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,560
lower stakes, you know, just 
more of a day in the life of 

1423
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,120
this area. 
Yeah, even when it did get to 

1424
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,520
the bigger stakes. 
It was. 

1425
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,600
Still, just the stakes were 
still just like 7 commoners, you

1426
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,680
know what I mean? 
And egg was worried about them 

1427
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,880
and I really liked the egg kind 
of pieced together. 

1428
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,520
These people are probably going 
to die and not for a good 

1429
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,760
reason. 
And, and I I really did like 

1430
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,760
that moment. 
I the fact is, they're all so 

1431
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,400
good. 
Like even if I pick a favorite, 

1432
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:16,440
it's one is 9.821 is 9.81 and 
one is 9.8. 

1433
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:18,600
You know, they're really good. 
Cool. 

1434
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,760
Well, I'm glad you feel that 
way. 

1435
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,240
And one last point from Nina 
here. 

1436
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,520
Dunk buries Arlen on a western 
hill because he loved to watch 

1437
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,960
the sunset. 
It's a nice representation of 

1438
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,000
the end of this stage of Dunk's 
journey. 

1439
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,040
Sun is set on his time as a 
Squire. 

1440
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,640
It's time for a new day for Dunk
as Sir Duncan. 

1441
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,200
The tall edge night. 
You know, I can't believe I 

1442
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,360
didn't think of this joke 
before, but he buries Arlen on a

1443
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,120
hill. 
King of the hill, anyone? 

1444
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,600
Oh, that's right, if you don't. 
Realize. 

1445
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,080
The town that they live. 
In is Arlen, Texas. 

1446
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,520
Arlen, Texas. 
Yeah, so. 

1447
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,000
By the way, I want to give a 
shout. 

1448
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:02,080
Out to patron who goes by the 
name Sir Zach of House wild. 

1449
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,560
He asked for a little assistance
with his nickname, which is 

1450
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,680
normal for us to do with with 
patrons. 

1451
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,720
We help with nickname. 
Sometimes we make them up for 

1452
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,760
you and he wanted something to 
do with shredding because Zach 

1453
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:16,840
Wild's a famous guitarist and so
I was looking it up I was like 

1454
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,840
looking up for reasons and I was
looking at Zack Wylde's 

1455
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,680
Wikipedia page and I see that 
he's he's known for his spiral 

1456
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,640
imagery on his guitars He's so 
many of his guitars have 

1457
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,360
spirals. 
So I was like, OK, let's call 

1458
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,920
let's call this let's put the 
word spiral in this title. 

1459
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,600
Then I'm like, wait a minute, 
this spelling of Wild. 

1460
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,800
There's a house wild in the song
of ice and fire right there. 

1461
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,960
It was spelled the same way, 
which is Wylde. 

1462
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,480
So it's a very unusual spelling 
of wild. 

1463
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,680
So I'm looking it up I'm looking
at Wikipedia. 

1464
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,640
I'm like, whoa, house wild in A 
Song of Ice and fire. 

1465
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,120
Their sigil is a spiral. 
It no way. 

1466
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,480
So I'm like, wait a minute, is 
George putting an Easter egg 

1467
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:53,320
for? 
Zach Wylde in. 

1468
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:54,960
Here. 
So I'm like, I need more 

1469
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,320
supporting evidence. 
We've got the weird wet name 

1470
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,400
spelling and we've got the 
spiral that's pretty strong, but

1471
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,520
that's not enough. 
So I go look at more into Zach 

1472
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,040
Wylde's Wikipedia page. 
Where is Zach Wylde born Buy on 

1473
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,920
New Jersey Where is George R 
Martin born buy on New Jersey? 

1474
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:12,680
OK, that kind of seals the deal 
for me. 

1475
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,240
Now I'm like we got 3. 
Unusual, very specific details. 

1476
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,000
So House Wild, I'm calling it 
right here, y'all. 

1477
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,640
House Wild is a reference to Zak
Wild, guitarist for Zak Sabbath,

1478
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,040
Black Label Society, Ozzy 
Osbourne, all these fans, pretty

1479
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,680
famous dude. 
I think we saw him. 

1480
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,000
We saw him. 
We did. 

1481
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,680
We saw. 
We saw Zach Sabbath. 

1482
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,840
Which is his Black Sabbath. 
Cover band. 

1483
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,840
It was fantastic. 
He just was noodling. 

1484
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,200
Guitar through everything, like 
he like, was like behind his 

1485
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,760
head under the leg, jumped into 
the audience. 

1486
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,440
He was still playing the whole 
time, no matter what. 

1487
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:50,200
It was great. 
Yeah. 

1488
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,400
And those Black Sabbath songs 
really lend themselves to that 

1489
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,440
kind of. 
Just going off and grooving and 

1490
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:56,720
soloing. 
So yeah, that was really fun. 

1491
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:04,160
Anyway, one of the. 
Real big, big reasons, folks. 

1492
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:08,320
Like Duncan Egg sometimes even 
more than A song of ice and fire

1493
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,560
is that we get the perspective 
of non nobles right? 

1494
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,760
The only small folk slash noble 
commoner characters we get in A 

1495
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,880
song of Ice and fire are 
prologue characters and of 

1496
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,240
course they all die pretty 
quickly. 

1497
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,960
And Davos, who's like was a 
commoner, right? 

1498
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,400
He still has that background. 
He thinks on it. 

1499
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,400
But he's now operating amongst 
nobles, doing noble stuff, doing

1500
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,000
the duties of a noble. 
That's the the region he 

1501
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,440
operates in. 
This is 2 dudes on the road. 

1502
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,560
One guy has a rope belt. 
I mean, they're, it's so 

1503
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,520
different, right? 
And it's expressed partly in 

1504
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:50,320
this quote when he tries to say 
words for Arlen. 

1505
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,040
His heart is in the right place.
His heart, his heart's totally 

1506
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,080
in it. 
But, well, the quote says it 

1507
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,200
all. 
There ought to be a septon here 

1508
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,920
to say some prayers over him. 
But he only has me. 

1509
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,160
The old man had taught Donk all 
he knew of swords and Shields 

1510
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,800
and lances, but had never been 
much good at teaching him words.

1511
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,920
I'd leave your sword, but it 
would rust in the ground. 

1512
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:12,960
He. 
Said last. 

1513
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,720
Apologetic gods will give you a 
new one, I guess. 

1514
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:20,240
I wish you didn't die, Sir. 
He paused, uncertain what else 

1515
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,120
needed to be said. 
He didn't know any prayers, not 

1516
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,880
all the way through. 
The old man had never been much 

1517
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,080
for praying. 
Right? 

1518
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,920
Like the dichotomy comes pretty 
quickly not long after Egg. 

1519
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,480
Knows how to ride a horse, knows
how to ride it well, knows a lot

1520
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,000
about horses. 
He's just an 8 year old kid or 9

1521
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,360
year old, whatever he is, he's 
well educated already. 

1522
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:43,280
He's already far beyond Dunk in 
education, and that's just how 

1523
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,400
it is like when Dunk's education
is entirely at the hands of Sir 

1524
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,640
Arlen and his life experiences. 
Yeah. 

1525
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,160
No septum. 
That's what there would have 

1526
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,200
been. 
There would be a septum. 

1527
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,760
He's he's exactly right. 
That is what you would normally 

1528
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,200
have at a funeral. 
And that is when we see Baylor's

1529
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:58,680
funeral. 
It's, as we've already said, 

1530
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:00,680
it's super fancy. 
There's a bunch of people there,

1531
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,200
mourners. 
It's super different. 

1532
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,320
You know one thing, it's 
actually from the second book, 

1533
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,960
but it. 
Was interesting that Dunk 

1534
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,520
pointed out to Egg. 
He's like, look, you know a lot 

1535
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:15,560
about stuff you've been taught 
about heraldry and history, but 

1536
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,640
these villagers, they know stuff
you don't know. 

1537
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,840
You don't know which you know. 
Berries are poisonous. 

1538
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,080
You don't know how to plow the 
the field for beans. 

1539
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,200
So don't don't judge them too 
hard. 

1540
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:26,840
You can learn from them and they
can learn from you. 

1541
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,640
He might not be good with words,
right? 

1542
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,960
He didn't learn to read. 
He doesn't know all the prayers,

1543
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,880
but he's still he's he's street 
smart, if you will. 

1544
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,960
Yeah, that's a really good 
point. 

1545
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,440
Yeah. 
And so they do. 

1546
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:38,680
Have a lot so they can teach 
each other. 

1547
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,320
He's head smart. 
Oh my God, Sean I. 

1548
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,240
Reached over to unmute. 
Myself. 

1549
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,320
To make that joke. 
And I was like, I'm not going to

1550
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,560
make it. 
That's great. 

1551
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,560
Leave it to me. 
I'll make any joke that's really

1552
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,760
good. 
And you know, there's this 

1553
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,480
Deron, you know, he meets Deron 
the drunk. 

1554
01:15:57,480 --> 01:15:58,800
We'll talk about him a little 
more later. 

1555
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,920
He meets him real briefly in 
this early, you know, early on 

1556
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,120
with meeting Egg. 
But his his presence is more 

1557
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,920
felt when he comes in and admits
who he is and all that and gives

1558
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,920
them the warning. 
But he's clearly a Lord of some 

1559
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,240
kind, even though he he doesn't 
wear like his Targaryen 

1560
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,320
heraldry. 
He is going to be around the 

1561
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,240
throne in about 12 years, but 
he's also pretty far down the 

1562
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:17,440
line in succession at this 
point. 

1563
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,560
It's about to change 
dramatically for him in that 

1564
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,440
regard. 
But people just leave him alone,

1565
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,640
right? 
They like if he was some poor 

1566
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,480
drunk guy, they'd kick him out. 
But this is a drunk rich guy. 

1567
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:32,840
He's he can pay for his drinks. 
They don't care what he does. 

1568
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,120
He can sit there and and ruin 
his life if they want. 

1569
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,480
No one cares. 
He also if they kick him out he 

1570
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:39,440
might come back the next day and
have him arrested or. 

1571
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:42,240
Something Yeah, so. 
So yeah, it's like he has the 

1572
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,920
privilege. 
It's not really a it's it's an 

1573
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,200
awkward way to use your 
privilege to be to drink 

1574
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,600
yourself to death, but it is an 
example of that in a very 

1575
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,400
oblique manner that no one's 
gonna He can safely be drunk in 

1576
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:59,320
public, just pass out on a table
and can be reasonably sure 

1577
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:00,920
privilege uses privilege the 
same way. 

1578
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,160
That's part of what makes. 
These two so similar, Yeah. 

1579
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,360
Like, there's plenty of things 
that make them. 

1580
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,960
Different, but this is a huge 
point of comparison they yeah, 

1581
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,120
he can do that and know that 
they can probably just no one's 

1582
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,680
going to mess with him. 
He can be like insensate on the 

1583
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,440
lying on the road and people 
will just walk around him. 

1584
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,880
But if he was some nobody they 
might like step on his face or 

1585
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,840
steal his boots or something. 
But I mean that still might 

1586
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,400
happen, but it's way less likely
to happen because they know who 

1587
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:29,000
he is and no one wants he's good
enough at it to not be quite in 

1588
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,320
the middle of the road He. 
He's an expert at lying, he said

1589
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,480
it. 
I'm no one's also very Tyrion 

1590
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:36,640
like, right? 
Like that kind of. 

1591
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,280
Comments sort of a a pride in 
his his faults. 

1592
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,000
Right. 
It's like what? 

1593
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,240
John? 
He's well, he tells John. 

1594
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:43,760
Right? 
He's like. 

1595
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,280
You know, if you're, you know, 
you're a bastard, don't let 

1596
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,320
anyone forget it, you know, or 
they're not going to forget it. 

1597
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:49,880
So you shouldn't either. 
Just be what? 

1598
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,080
Be what they want you to be. 
He's like, yeah, I'm, I'm a 

1599
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,360
drunk. 
OK, then we go. 

1600
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,440
Keep that in mind when you want 
me to ride into tilts. 

1601
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:02,840
Here's another really important 
subtopic I want to get into 

1602
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,800
which. 
Is the the attitude, the 

1603
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:10,000
lifestyle, the pride and the 
philosophy of a hedge night. 

1604
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,320
It sounds like something that a 
lot of nobles would look down 

1605
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,600
on. 
In fact, it's not something that

1606
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,480
sounds like it. 
They definitely would look down.

1607
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:20,120
A lot of them would. 
It's rare that someone like 

1608
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,560
Baylor breaks beer, comes along 
and has the generosity of spirit

1609
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:30,400
to not hold himself so far above
other people, even though he's 

1610
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,680
so great. 
That's part of what makes it so 

1611
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,120
meaningful is that he is so 
great, yet he still holds 

1612
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,320
himself to a high standard and 
and doesn't put himself above 

1613
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,000
too many other people in terms 
of things like that. 

1614
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,600
So one thing we we get is that 
that's apparent about the way 

1615
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,720
Arlen treated Dunk is that he 
praised him a lot. 

1616
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,680
He was nice to him. 
He taught, he was motivating. 

1617
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,000
He didn't use a lot of negative 
reinforcement. 

1618
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,080
He didn't. 
There wasn't a lot of physical 

1619
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:55,920
abuse. 
There was apparently some, but. 

1620
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,360
Dunk. 
Doesn't think of it as out of 

1621
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:00,800
line. 
He thinks, well, only only that 

1622
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,720
one time. 
I didn't steal that pie. 

1623
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,360
But other than that, it's a 
really nice way to summarize 

1624
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:07,560
like, Except for that it's like 
there's. 

1625
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,040
Only one. 
Time that you punish me 

1626
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,840
unjustly. 
And it's a it's kind of a cute 

1627
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,360
way to to Ben. 
It's like it's only one time 

1628
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:17,120
that every other time, every 
other time he beat. 

1629
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:17,760
Me. 
It was it. 

1630
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:22,320
Was OK yeah I deserved it this 
other time yeah it it's. 

1631
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,080
Also he. 
He thinks of being called Duncan

1632
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,920
Lunk is as praise. 
You know what I mean? 

1633
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,200
Praise isn't the word I'm going 
to use, but but it remember that

1634
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,400
he he's like it sounded 
different coming from Venice, 

1635
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:36,640
you know, or, you know, other 
people that would call him out 

1636
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,000
like they're not being they're 
not being like fondly of me when

1637
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,120
they say it. 
You would you know that is a 

1638
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,760
straight parallel to Gran. 
Remember, Gran and Sam's 

1639
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,600
conversation was like, they 
called me Sam the Slayer. 

1640
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,920
They're mocking me. 
They're like, yeah, but you 

1641
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,840
really did kill that other. 
And when I say it, I'm not 

1642
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,200
mocking you. 
When Sir Alister says it that 

1643
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,160
way, he is same like they call 
me Orox. 

1644
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,360
Like he gave me that name to 
mock me. 

1645
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:09,400
But quite frankly, an Orox is 
big and strong and can go miles 

1646
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,640
and miles without tiring. 
So he chooses to his Gren has 

1647
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,600
the Zen Gren. 
Zen Zen Gren has this attitude 

1648
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,240
of well, I'm looking on the 
bright side. 

1649
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,800
Yeah, he's calling me stupid. 
But at the same time, he's 

1650
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,840
calling me big and strong and 
and tough. 

1651
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,080
So that's the part I'm going to 
focus on. 

1652
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:28,880
And that's really what's going 
on here. 

1653
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:29,760
Right. 
Like Dunk the lung. 

1654
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,160
He's like, yeah, he's he's 
saying I'm not that bright. 

1655
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,640
He's also saying I think it's a 
castle wolf. 

1656
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:36,600
Like that's a good thing to be 
in a realm. 

1657
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,800
Of castles and swords. 
Right. 

1658
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,880
So, yeah, it's not. 
Sometimes people can use it as 

1659
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,520
an insult, but if you really 
break it down, it's a darn good 

1660
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,160
thing to be to to have that 
toughness and we see it. 

1661
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,240
I mean, we're pretty far away 
from the actual event, but man, 

1662
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,480
we just talked about how 
relatable he is. 

1663
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:55,880
That's a big deal here. 
He's less relatable when you get

1664
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,320
3 feet of Lance sticking out his
side. 

1665
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,440
He Yanks it out and keeps going 
Like that. 

1666
01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:04,320
I can't relate to, but I can 
relate. 

1667
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,160
To a lot of this other stuff. 
Not knowing if I have enough 

1668
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,920
money for a room, you know, 
things like that, Like that's, 

1669
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,760
that's pretty realistic. 
And that's part of what I think 

1670
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,920
brings people closer to these 
stories is like, his struggles 

1671
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:21,280
are a lot more familiar than the
struggles of Sansa and Jon Snow.

1672
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,560
And I mean, these are characters
we can, we can, there's things 

1673
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,040
we can find in common with those
characters too. 

1674
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,080
But like, they're dealing with 
like, inheritance and crowns and

1675
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:31,920
arranging weddings for 1000 
people. 

1676
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,760
Like I've, I've done none of 
those things ever and probably 

1677
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,480
never will. 
But I will decide if I have 

1678
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:40,880
enough. 
Money to afford things. 

1679
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,080
Right. 
You know, I will wonder where my

1680
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,400
next meal is coming from 
sometime. 

1681
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,800
You know, servings. 
Aren't just going to bring it to

1682
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,840
me at meal time like where is 
that dinner? 

1683
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,520
I expected it to be brought here
by now. 

1684
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,760
Like we don't live like that. 
And also at this stage in. 

1685
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,920
Our lives, maybe. 
Not everyone listening, but you 

1686
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,000
eventually get to a state in 
your life where things a little 

1687
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,280
more stable. 
But when I was younger, there 

1688
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,720
were times when I was skipping 
meals and trying to decide if I 

1689
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,400
was going to, you know, pay for 
this food or pay for this bill 

1690
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,800
or whatever. 
So yeah, ramen noodles are salt 

1691
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,120
beef. 
It's like, just think of it that

1692
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,800
way. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1693
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:18,600
Oh yeah. 
I was saying I could. 

1694
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,120
Relate to dunk 'cause one time I
got a three inch splinter under 

1695
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,840
my fingernail. 
Some people, eventually you, 

1696
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,960
most people, eventually you get 
to a point in your life where 

1697
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,400
you're not struggling for food 
anymore. 

1698
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,720
Not that we don't still have to 
make budgets, but in our youth, 

1699
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,080
you know, a lot of times when 
you're 20 ish, you know, you are

1700
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,960
struggling to figure out which 
bill to pay, But how you're 

1701
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,400
paying for your, you know, the 
grocery store, you're like 

1702
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,680
looking at the like cost per oz 
or whatever different things 

1703
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,280
you're buying just ramen noodle 
meals and stuff like that. 

1704
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:51,120
So I I think a bit of the movie 
rounders. 

1705
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:55,080
Or or any number of other movies
where you've got a main 

1706
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,240
character who is pretty talented
at something and thinks they can

1707
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,480
beat all the current experts at 
it. 

1708
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,840
They're a little naive, but also
quite good at it. 

1709
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,600
It's like a mix of naivete, but 
also a lot of talent because in 

1710
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:10,040
that movie rounders like he's a 
he's a wannabe poker star and he

1711
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,200
wants to just take his entire 
bankroll and spend it on one 

1712
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,760
tournament, which is exactly 
what Dunk is doing here. 

1713
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,840
He's like, I'm going to risk 
everything I have on just my 

1714
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,480
first fight. 
And if he if he busts out, he's 

1715
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:25,120
got nothing, which would have 
been that's the case for Mikey 

1716
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,560
and rounders. 
If he busts out, he's got no 

1717
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,840
money anymore. 
And well, of course, in his 

1718
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,760
situation, he's it's modern 
times, you could go borrow money

1719
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:36,920
from his family or something. 
Whereas here Dunk doesn't even 

1720
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,560
know who his parents are. 
So that's a huge difference. 

1721
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,960
The life of an orphan in 
Westeros really tough. 

1722
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,920
I mean Dunk only one of the few 
reasons Dunk. 

1723
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,960
Survived. 
Orphan Hood, other than some 

1724
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,880
luck, was his great size. 
Like Arlen pulled him out of the

1725
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,400
gutter in part because of Wow. 
Look at how big you are. 

1726
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,360
You know, like all the other 
kids weren't pulled out of the 

1727
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:02,360
gutter. 
They didn't. 

1728
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,960
They weren't gifted with this 
great size. 

1729
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:07,920
So something else to keep in 
mind there too. 

1730
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,640
OK, let's move on to a little 
bit about the life of a hedge 

1731
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:14,680
knight specifically. 
And what makes a hedge knight 

1732
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,640
different. 
What important point, for 

1733
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,800
example, what separates a hedge 
knight from a cell sort? 

1734
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,960
Here's another quote. 
The only life he knew was the 

1735
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,840
life of a hedge knight riding 
from keep to. 

1736
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,640
Keep taking service with this 
Lord and that Lord, fighting in 

1737
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,280
their battles, eating in their 
halls until the war was done and

1738
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,200
moving on. 
There were tourneys from time to

1739
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,720
time as well, though less often.
And you knew that some hedge 

1740
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,920
Knights turned to robber during 
leaner winters, though the old 

1741
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,040
man never had. 
Yeah, So that's a pretty, pretty

1742
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,200
important point here. 
Let's. 

1743
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,600
Let's. 
Say here they don't get very 

1744
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,960
well educated, but Nina reminds 
us that they do get educated to 

1745
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,480
heraldry. 
You got to know heraldry because

1746
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,000
those are going to be your 
bosses. 

1747
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,720
It's like not knowing the 
difference between a couple 

1748
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,320
different Fortune 500 companies.
Like, in particular industry, 

1749
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:01,880
like you got to know the 
difference between McDonald's 

1750
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,480
and Burger King, or you got to 
know the difference between 

1751
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:06,000
McDonald's and Starbucks. 
If you're going to go get hired 

1752
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,360
by one of these companies, you 
don't go go to McDonald's and 

1753
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,480
ask to be, you know, a barista. 
That's not going to work out. 

1754
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,920
Nor do you go to Starbucks and 
offer to work the fry machine. 

1755
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,480
So you got to know what's what. 
You got to know the people's 

1756
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:18,920
names. 
It helps to like have some 

1757
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,240
understanding of of their lands,
what type of business they might

1758
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,760
need you for. 
Little things like that. 

1759
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,040
Coffee and French fries. 
That's it. 

1760
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:32,000
It's the wedding wedding combo 
I'll. 

1761
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:38,360
Be back. 
This is a another important 

1762
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,000
point, yeah, the the risk of it.
Right. 

1763
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,400
This is what makes the focus of 
the story. 

1764
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:43,320
I'll say I take some of Nina's 
words here literally. 

1765
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:44,440
The hedge knight, so 
fascinating. 

1766
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:47,600
The hedge knight, as a Westerosi
institution, constantly 

1767
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,680
straddles the line between 
peasant and noble, poverty and 

1768
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,200
gentility, right? 
They're poor, but they're always

1769
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:56,960
working with and for the 
nobility. 

1770
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,440
So they're constantly around the
nobility and constantly 

1771
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:05,600
struggling to live up to, you 
know, looking the parts 

1772
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,080
constantly. 
Yeah, putting on air is just 

1773
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,160
having to know. 
How to handle that and? 

1774
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,400
That's it's difficult when you 
hedge nights can't eat cat food.

1775
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,040
When you don't have an A strong 
education. 

1776
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:20,880
When you're not good at talking.
Dunk really has to get by on his

1777
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,200
side. 
He's like, look at me, you can 

1778
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,160
tell I'd be good, right? 
Because I'm not going to explain

1779
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:30,360
myself very well. 
It's really interesting about 

1780
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,920
the idea. 
Of a hedge knight in general 

1781
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:36,640
like maybe the code or whatever 
of a hedge knight and then 

1782
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,280
especially when you start 
thinking about the difference 

1783
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,680
between a hedge knight and a 
sell sword and how close hedge 

1784
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:45,880
Knights are turning into just 
you know thieves even but the 

1785
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,120
fact is that that the different 
1 doesn't even have that code 

1786
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,720
right Think again you kind of 
got to look to the next book, 

1787
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,680
but think about how different 
Venice is from Dunk right. 

1788
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,800
They're both hedge nights, but 
they have completely different 

1789
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,880
mentalities, completely 
different levels of honor and 

1790
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:04,280
that you can also see why so 
many people might be suspicious 

1791
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:08,040
of head nights because so many 
of them do turn to crime or 

1792
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,280
because they don't all stick to 
the honor that they have. 

1793
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,640
Fact is, Landon nights, they 
don't know I'll have the same 

1794
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,840
code either. 
They're not always I mean we're 

1795
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,040
so I'm sure we can talk about 
parallels between Dunk and the 

1796
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,120
mountain or whatever. 
You know that that the a 

1797
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,000
constant theme that we were. 
Going to probably. 

1798
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,200
Going to come up over and over 
again is just because you're a 

1799
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:29,880
knight doesn't mean you're 
honorable. 

1800
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,400
Just because you're honorable 
doesn't mean you're a knight or 

1801
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,160
just because you're not a knight
doesn't mean you are the all the

1802
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,560
different permutations of the 
characters like Sandor and 

1803
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,160
Brianne. 
Yeah, like it just comes up so 

1804
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:40,720
much. 
Totally. 

1805
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,480
Right. 
And and that's one thing I think

1806
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,640
that is kind of unique about 
Dunk. 

1807
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:49,920
Is that he doesn't even think of
knighthood as not that he 

1808
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,280
doesn't think of it as a rank, 
but to many people knighthood is

1809
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,400
just a rank. 
It's just a pass It's just a 

1810
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,240
level to get to so that I, you 
know, can order people around 

1811
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,120
and I don't know, maybe have 
nice armor food wire. 

1812
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,640
But to him, it's a social 
responsibility. 

1813
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,640
Yes. 
To him, it means you have to 

1814
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,640
help people out and do the 
honorable thing. 

1815
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,760
And and he's just going to do 
that whether or not he has the 

1816
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,080
official title of knighthood or 
not. 

1817
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,600
Whereas other people who had the
official title of knighthood 

1818
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,000
there may or may not do the 
honorable thing. 

1819
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,480
And I think that Baylor maybe 
has enough experience in the 

1820
01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:26,680
world to understand that all 
head Knights aren't the same and

1821
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,520
sees in Dunk that he is a good 
one. 

1822
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,960
Yeah, that's a really, really 
well said, Sean. 

1823
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,080
Because also it it. 
Brings home like, I think a 

1824
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,560
central theme of this story, 
which is that, yeah, it isn't 

1825
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,000
that title that matters. 
Whether or not Dunk was actually

1826
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,000
knighted is a fun thing for us 
to think about and maybe debate 

1827
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,040
a little bit. 
But ultimately, I think what 

1828
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,360
George telling us that his 
behavior is what matters the 

1829
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,080
most. 
And in terms of behavior, 

1830
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,400
there's no question he's a 
knight. 

1831
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,880
There's no question that Brienne
is a knight based on that same 

1832
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,200
standard. 
Because of her behavior, we see 

1833
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:56,120
inside her head, we see the 
decision she makes, very similar

1834
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:59,040
to what we see with Dunk. 
We see them do good. 

1835
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,920
They want to do good. 
They want to do the right thing,

1836
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,400
as you put it, and the right 
thing. 

1837
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,560
Sometimes it's challenging to 
figure out what the right thing 

1838
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:09,000
is, but sometimes it's not. 
But sometimes it's difficult to 

1839
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:10,600
do the right thing. 
It's not the it's not the 

1840
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,040
figuring out what's right. 
It's the actually making 

1841
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,920
yourself get involved because of
the the sacrifice you have to 

1842
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,360
make for it or the risk you have
to take or whatever. 

1843
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:21,120
Yeah, very well said. 
So I I have this point here 

1844
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,080
written. 
Knighthood versus hedge 

1845
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,800
knighthood and there is a 
difference like you said with a 

1846
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:29,200
regular knight, a non hedge 
knight you would the things to 

1847
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,600
worry about would be well what 
are they really motivated by? 

1848
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,800
Is it greed? 
Is it glory or are they one of 

1849
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,800
the good ones with a hedge 
knight? 

1850
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,120
Well, they're probably not 
terribly motivated by greed or 

1851
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,200
glory because they don't have 
access to much, but they might 

1852
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:42,720
be desperate. 
That that's the thing you're 

1853
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,280
saying is like, why some of them
are you like, oh, I'm I'm scared

1854
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,440
of hedge nights because anyone 
at the edge of poverty might do 

1855
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:52,480
something desperate. 
Desperation does drive people to

1856
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,200
do things they might not 
normally do. 

1857
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,560
But if you have this powerfully 
held philosophy, even through 

1858
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,920
tough times, you won't go beyond
the limits you've set for 

1859
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,480
yourself of honor and, and, and 
such. 

1860
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,920
There's this very quick quote. 
A hedge knight must hold tight 

1861
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,000
to his pride. 
Without it, he was no more than 

1862
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,920
a cell sword. 
I, I really thought about this 

1863
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:18,240
one a lot because he's mostly 
unbothered by his signs of 

1864
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,000
poverty. 
It's, it's his attitudes to 

1865
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,160
philosophy. 
It's a code. 

1866
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,880
And it made me think of Sir 
Illifer and Sir Creighton from A

1867
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,080
Feast for Crows. 
Some farm boy on a piebald horse

1868
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,920
went by and an hour. 
Later, half a dozen men a foot 

1869
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,640
with staves and sides, they 
caught sight of our fire, 

1870
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,360
stopped for a long look at our 
horses, but I showed them a 

1871
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,560
glimpse of my steel and told 
them to be along their way. 

1872
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,720
Bro fellows, by the look of 
them, and desperate too, but 

1873
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:44,360
narrow. 
So desperate to trifle with Sir 

1874
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,960
Preyton Long Ball. 
No, Brian thought, not so 

1875
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,480
desperate as that. 
She turned. 

1876
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:51,400
Away to hide her smile 
thankfully Sir Creighton was too

1877
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,960
intent on the tale of his epic 
battle with the knight of the 

1878
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,120
red chicken to make note of the 
maiden's mirth. 

1879
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,960
It felt good to have companions 
on the road, even such 

1880
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,840
companions as these two, right, 
Like those two were ridiculous. 

1881
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,720
But in a way that makes sense, 
especially with this to round it

1882
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,280
out. 
The pride is really that's why 

1883
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,800
this guy is telling all these 
tall tales. 

1884
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,920
It's important for him to hold 
on to his pride because, well, 

1885
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,960
at the time we were like, well, 
it's just otherwise he's 

1886
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:17,520
embarrassed. 
But no, it's not that It's not 

1887
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,160
just about your outlook and how 
people see you. 

1888
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:26,280
It's to keep yourself personally
from turning to desperation to 

1889
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:29,640
turning dark, the turning to to 
to jumping the line from hedge 

1890
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,600
knight to cell sword. 
That's it's amazing to me that 

1891
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:36,280
that scene with Creighton and 
Illifer with their silliness is 

1892
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,520
actually hits a lot harder when 
you think about it this way. 

1893
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:39,920
And it's like, no, that's not 
just silly. 

1894
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,800
George added some comedy to it, 
no doubt. 

1895
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,800
Like even Brienne smiles. 
And Brienne isn't exactly a big 

1896
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,520
jokester, right? 
So she doesn't like mockery. 

1897
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,840
It's almost like Victoria now. 
She doesn't really trust it 

1898
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:52,960
because it's always aimed at her
or she's had too much of it 

1899
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,720
aimed at her for her to 
appreciate it. 

1900
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,360
But this puts a whole nother 
spin on it that it's a little 

1901
01:31:58,360 --> 01:31:59,080
silly. 
Yes. 

1902
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:04,600
But behind that is an very 
important line that they just 

1903
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,080
can't cross. 
Because once you cross that 

1904
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,640
line, you probably, you may not 
ever uncross it. 

1905
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,240
You become Sir Venice. 
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 

1906
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,400
Dennis really, is he? 
Probably has jumped in. 

1907
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,920
He calls himself a hedge knight,
but he does seem more like a 

1908
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,440
salsa, right? 
Yeah, the way we think. 

1909
01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:22,760
You know, that's another 
difference too between the hedge

1910
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,320
knight, something I seem. 
To remember that that Dunk 

1911
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,240
thought about was that they kind
of choose their Lord. 

1912
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,800
A lot of Knights. 
It's just because of their land 

1913
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,400
or their their inheritance, 
their family, that they are 

1914
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,480
bound to some Lord. 
That Lord isn't necessarily a 

1915
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:42,520
good person, right? 
But a hedge knight, they choose 

1916
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:43,240
their Lord. 
You. 

1917
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:45,720
I'm not going to be, I'm not 
going to be a knight for you 

1918
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,760
because I don't think you're 
doing the right thing, You know?

1919
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:52,000
So at least ostensibly, a knight
that does have a even a hedge 

1920
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,800
knight that has a true code of 
honor might be more trustworthy 

1921
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,840
than a Landon knight because the
Landon knight is subject 

1922
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,280
whatever the Lord wants, not 
necessarily to whatever the 

1923
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,160
right thing is or protecting 
innocent. 

1924
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,080
The Lord wants go kill those 
peasants. 

1925
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,480
Well, the knight has to go kill 
those peasants if he's loyal to 

1926
01:33:09,480 --> 01:33:11,200
that Lord. 
You know, that's a great point. 

1927
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:13,880
Again, we see a million examples
of Knights. 

1928
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:15,680
Who are? 
Not doing the right thing 

1929
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,720
because their Lords are telling 
them to do something that's not 

1930
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,360
the right thing. 
So his dunks first loyalty is to

1931
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:23,240
his bows to his knighthood. 
That's where he's for. 

1932
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:24,160
You're right. 
It's a great point. 

1933
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,040
Now the problem, of course, is 
you can't just look at someone 

1934
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,360
and tell whether they're one of 
the Dunk types or whether 

1935
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,680
they're Sir Venice. 
Other than, you know, looking at

1936
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,360
their teeth maybe. 
But maybe you can smell them 

1937
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,840
out. 
Also. 

1938
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,640
Staying briefly on the topic of.
Ilifer. 

1939
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,600
And Sir Creighton, that scene 
has a familiar feel to this one 

1940
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,280
in that we're about to be. 
At the point. 

1941
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,400
Where Dunk just doesn't want Egg
to come with him. 

1942
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,280
He's like, Nah, I don't want you
around, you know, don't stay. 

1943
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,800
I don't want to be with you. 
But Egg insists, and eventually 

1944
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,760
Dunk is happy. 
He's like, I'm glad, actually, 

1945
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,520
this has worked out pretty well.
And this is the same thing that 

1946
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,040
happened here, Brianna. 
First is like, I don't want to 

1947
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:03,320
be around you guys. 
My horse is too fast. 

1948
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,400
I travel alone. 
And they're like, Nope, we're 

1949
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,880
Knights. 
And we just can't not escort 

1950
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,880
you, you know, that's just how 
it is. 

1951
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,920
And he's she's like, all right, 
fine. 

1952
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,840
And then eventually she's like, 
it felt good to have companions 

1953
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:18,440
on the road, even such 
companions used to. 

1954
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:20,080
So it's very. 
Yeah, I like, I like that a lot.

1955
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:25,440
Yet one of the many, many 
connecting points between Duncan

1956
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:28,760
Brienne that'll love it there's 
I I I'm eager to discover new 

1957
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:30,760
ones because I'm sure there's 
going to be when we take such a 

1958
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:34,080
close look at it, that's when we
find even more real quick. 

1959
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,320
Let's also take a look at this 
awesome shirt that. 

1960
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:37,720
Rita got for me. 
Oh hell yeah. 

1961
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,280
If you're listening, it's 
Duncan, the tallest shield. 

1962
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,440
Exactly. 
The shield, of course, will be 

1963
01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:46,440
one of the many other. 
Things we have to talk. 

1964
01:34:46,440 --> 01:34:48,640
About going forward with our 
coverage, but that will not be 

1965
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,320
today as we're about to wrap 
things up. 

1966
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:52,840
Comment from Sophia on our Flick
group. 

1967
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,920
Shout out to our commenters over
on Flick. 

1968
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,920
You guys have provided us with 
many excellent discussion points

1969
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,760
and comments and topics and 
questions for us to enhance our 

1970
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,800
listening experience and 
podcasting experience. 

1971
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:08,960
Sophia says eggs snarkiness 
reminds her of Aria, which is a 

1972
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,040
wonderful touchback to what we 
were saying about being sort of 

1973
01:35:12,440 --> 01:35:15,280
pretty far down. 
You know, you're the 4th or 5th 

1974
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:19,200
or 6th child and the other older
ones are getting, you know, more

1975
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:24,160
attention, more education, more 
prepared for ruling and farther 

1976
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:25,480
from your age. 
Yeah. 

1977
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,400
So you still have this? 
Like rank but. 

1978
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,480
Without as many privileges and 
without as much like front and 

1979
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:33,360
center. 
So you can see where some of 

1980
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,880
that started as many 
expectations and 

1981
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:39,520
responsibilities I think. 
Particularly, most importantly 

1982
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:43,800
that he just is kind of been 
able to to do whatever. 

1983
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,160
That's a great point, yeah, 
especially. 

1984
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,080
When we compare it to some of 
the other, like farther down the

1985
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:53,640
line of succession type 
characters, like ones who the 

1986
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,640
farther down you go when there's
a big family, the more out. 

1987
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:58,840
I think you're likely to see 
George characterize these 

1988
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,720
character these these farther 
down the line of succession 

1989
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:07,920
characters as of this type, you 
see him make more sarcasm and 

1990
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,360
attitude and snark amongst these
characters that are not amongst 

1991
01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:14,320
the first and second porn, for 
example. 

1992
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:19,320
The good one would be Jerian 
Lannister, who Tyrion portrays 

1993
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,960
as He just didn't. 
He just stayed away from 

1994
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,680
everything. 
He just didn't play the game 

1995
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,080
like the three older brothers 
were. 

1996
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,960
Two of them were always trying 
to just win Tywin's attention 

1997
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:33,760
and Tywin was just dominant. 
And Jerian's like, I'm just not 

1998
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,560
going to be a part of any of 
this because, well, we don't 

1999
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,600
exactly know why, but he was 
very sarcastic and snarky and 

2000
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,280
had some of the same attitude 
and that's why he got along with

2001
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:46,400
Tyrion pretty well. 
While we're at on the subject of

2002
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,000
comparisons to some of the early
characters in A Game of Thrones,

2003
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,880
since the Stark children are the
ones we know the best of, we 

2004
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:55,240
obviously don't get PO VS from 
other children. 

2005
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,000
Like there's other I could think
of other people who might would 

2006
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,200
fit this. 
But we didn't get enough of 

2007
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:01,720
them. 
Like there's probably some frays

2008
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:03,280
that are pretty down the line, 
you know? 

2009
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,440
Yeah, that's for sure how funny 
that we're going to actually 

2010
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:08,360
see. 
Walder Fray in the third story. 

2011
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,480
Yes, indeed. 
Little, little Walder, I I know 

2012
01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:14,320
this is taking us forward to the
third book because he said. 

2013
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:16,560
Did you realize that was Walter 
Frey? 

2014
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,960
Did it stick out? 
I don't remember. 

2015
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,280
I don't remember. 
Yeah, there's a strong. 

2016
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:24,240
Chance that I didn't piece. 
That together. 

2017
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,680
There and also there's a chance 
that I did but then lost the 

2018
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,800
memory with everything else. 
I I I remember reading the 

2019
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,680
second time the hedge night 
thinking like, what's with that 

2020
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:37,240
drunk? 
What's with that drunk Lord in 

2021
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:39,680
his dream? 
And then I was like, oh, Oh 

2022
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,240
yeah, I just forgot. 
I just had like, I had to re 

2023
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,840
remember, you know, he was there
on, you know, yeah. 

2024
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:49,520
Speaking of wine, Sophie. 
Also writes that Raymond's offer

2025
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:53,680
of Arbor wine had, you know, the
eyebrow raising moment there 

2026
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:57,440
because we've talked about how 
Arbor wine is often a sign of 

2027
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,200
dishonesty. 
There's going to be some lies 

2028
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:04,840
told, but this might predate 
that team because Raymond 

2029
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:06,560
certainly does not turn out to 
be dishonest. 

2030
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,080
He turns out to be, as Sophia 
says, he's more like Sam, where 

2031
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,880
it's like John's election where 
he's going around trying to get 

2032
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:17,560
votes for, for for John. 
And even though even as John 

2033
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:20,600
himself is like, I don't know if
we can get this to work, but his

2034
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:22,960
friend is backing him up. 
I don't know, you could say 

2035
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,120
maybe because Raymond is going 
around. 

2036
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,720
Trying to get people on board 
that relates to it. 

2037
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,320
And that dunk is lying in that 
conversation. 

2038
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:33,040
The dishonesty of him being a 
knight, Yeah. 

2039
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:34,720
I don't know. 
OK. 

2040
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,400
OK, that's a good. 
Call. 

2041
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:37,720
Very good call. 
There is, there is some. 

2042
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,720
Implied dishonesty in there, 
maybe not from Raymond himself, 

2043
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,480
but but but also maybe maybe 
he's like exaggerating the 

2044
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:46,840
circumstances to get people to 
fight on Dunk side or something 

2045
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:47,680
like that. 
Yeah, maybe. 

2046
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:51,480
Maybe it is something I thought 
about earlier when you were in. 

2047
01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:53,680
The beginning we were talking 
about a couple different things 

2048
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,520
like George's style and how it 
might have changed over the 

2049
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,200
years. 
Something that's distinct about 

2050
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:01,280
this story is we're only getting
one POV and also just thinking 

2051
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:07,160
about the equivalent number of 
chapters that think how longer 

2052
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,000
and or fuller this story would 
be if we had different 

2053
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:11,960
perspectives. 
Like what if we got this story 

2054
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:18,440
from the perspective of of 
Raymond and or just three POV? 

2055
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:19,400
Yeah. 
What if we had three POV? 

2056
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,920
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, that would be sort of like

2057
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:23,720
more similar to A Song of Ice 
and Fire. 

2058
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,880
So that is a great point because
it reminds us of another 

2059
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,240
difference in the way this is 
written. 

2060
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:31,120
It's it's unique in that sense. 
Yes, we've we've talked about 

2061
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:33,800
how it's different than Fire and
Blood and World of Ice and Fire 

2062
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:37,520
because those are less story 
like and more history like, one 

2063
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,440
more so than the other. 
But both along those lines and A

2064
01:39:40,440 --> 01:39:43,520
Song of Ice and Fire is this 
vast multi POV story where this 

2065
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,640
is, well, it's still vast in its
own way because it's in the same

2066
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:50,200
world, but the story isn't as 
big and there's only one POV. 

2067
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,760
So yeah, it's a good like little
way to look at it. 

2068
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:57,000
Think where we were in the story
of Game of Thrones. 5 chapters 

2069
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,000
in hadn't even started, you know
what I mean? 

2070
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,880
Like but it's already like 
reached a climax and finished in

2071
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:07,080
this Dunk story so but also Game
of Thrones is so much more in 

2072
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,240
depth because you have so many 
different storylines and 

2073
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,800
characters involved. 
So pros and cons to it all. 

2074
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,280
Definitely, definitely. 
Well said. 

2075
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,080
OK, a couple of quick. 
Wrap UPS, Dunk's sense of 

2076
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,880
unworthiness reminding us of 
John. 

2077
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,680
That's another one that's pretty
good. 

2078
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,120
Compare the phrase thick as a 
castle wall to, you know, 

2079
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:24,600
nothing, John. 
You know, both of them just kind

2080
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,480
of like, oh, that's good, Yeah. 
Kind of self aggrandizement. 

2081
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:30,960
Internally like. 
Being like, I'm not worthy of 

2082
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,880
this, I'm not good enough. 
But yeah, you know, nothing 

2083
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,640
thick as a castle wall. 
That's very good. 

2084
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:36,720
I like that catch a lot. 
We'll consider that one going 

2085
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,720
forward. 
I think we maybe need to explore

2086
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,720
that one more. 
We'll have to keep our eyes open

2087
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:45,040
for more. 
John to Duncan unworthiness 

2088
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:46,760
connections. 
Very good catch. 

2089
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:50,320
Sophia Guinevere Greenstones. 
Good question to leave ourselves

2090
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:51,360
off with. 
Are there any History of 

2091
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,200
Westeros episodes you would 
recommend watching before next 

2092
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:56,160
week? 
Well, certainly if you want to 

2093
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,320
get yourself really well settled
with the Black Fire Rebellions, 

2094
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:01,840
we've got a lot of Black Fire 
Rebellion episodes. 

2095
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,840
You could start with, if you 
want to start with episode 2, if

2096
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,880
you if, if it's a re listen for 
you, episode 2 is Deron. 

2097
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:13,240
So that's kind of useful to have
Deron in mind and all that. 

2098
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,440
And the episode right after that
would take you a little farther 

2099
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:17,880
down the timeline. 
Our two Summer Hall episodes are

2100
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,840
pretty relevant, although you 
could of course do those after 

2101
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:25,920
or at some other point. 
Can I point out the irony that 

2102
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:27,400
when? 
I bring up Summerhall. 

2103
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:29,920
You're like. 
Yeah, it's you're a superficial 

2104
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,040
understanding. 
It's pretty much it. 

2105
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,600
There's not that much known, by 
the way. 

2106
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:36,880
We have two episodes, probably 
at least two hours each. 

2107
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:38,240
Right. 
Yeah, we know a lot. 

2108
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:39,000
About what? 
Leads. 

2109
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:40,400
We know a lot about more leads 
to it. 

2110
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:44,360
Who's there but the actual like 
what went wrong and what they 

2111
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:46,040
were doing? 
The other thing we know a lot 

2112
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,240
about is the fallout, the effect
that it. 

2113
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:51,640
Has on characters like Aries, so
that's a lot to talk about. 

2114
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,840
In Radar for example, one of the
main topics is is Aries is just.

2115
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:59,840
Obsession with wildfire rooted 
in part in trauma that he 

2116
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:01,560
witnessed Summer Hall when he 
was about 15. 

2117
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:03,760
Like, he's almost his whole 
family was killed by wildfire. 

2118
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:07,720
So see, that might have an 
impact on his psyche. 

2119
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,600
That's just an amazing thing 
about this world that George has

2120
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,480
created the community. 
Built up around it. 

2121
01:42:13,480 --> 01:42:17,720
This podcast is it we're we're 
talking about Dunkin Egg, right 

2122
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,080
and we just went for two hours 
and I think we're on the second 

2123
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:24,560
scene of the first book, you 
know, like we get a lot of a lot

2124
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:26,080
of material. 
There's a lot to say. 

2125
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:29,640
There's a lot of you're. 
So right now we probably will 

2126
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,520
make, we probably get farther 
next. 

2127
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,720
Week because we won't have done 
as we won't be doing as much set

2128
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:36,800
up must introduction you know 
talking about bringing you back 

2129
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:39,560
in here and all that stuff. 
So we should be able to get 

2130
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:41,480
farther into the story but 
that's that's not to say we 

2131
01:42:41,480 --> 01:42:44,480
didn't do a lot today in terms 
of story progress. 

2132
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:46,560
There wasn't a lot but we talked
about a lot of really 

2133
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,400
interesting fun stuff there's a 
lot more to it than plot. 

2134
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:50,440
Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

2135
01:42:50,440 --> 01:42:52,560
I mean. 
You're not into this series if 

2136
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:53,960
you're not. 
Into setup and world building. 

2137
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:55,880
I mean, you're just not you're 
not into this podcast if these 

2138
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:57,520
things don't resonate with you 
at least a little bit. 

2139
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,480
So I'm. 
I'm preaching to the choir by 

2140
01:42:59,480 --> 01:43:01,320
saying no, it's as good as 
covering the story. 

2141
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,920
Like, yeah, Aziz, we know that's
why we're listening. 

2142
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,200
Yeah. 
Jonathan Hagee, by the way, good

2143
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:07,760
comment here. 
He. 

2144
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,000
Says Radioestros. 
Has an episode on the hedge 

2145
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,240
night so that would be you want 
to round out you're not as a 

2146
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:14,720
great place to start. 
Go check out Radioestros. 

2147
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:16,480
We of course, always endorse all
their episodes. 

2148
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:20,480
Someone who's put some thought 
into this ahead of ahead of us. 

2149
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:23,560
They might get you to think 
about some things you hadn't 

2150
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,080
considered, maybe bring some 
questions over to ask us that 

2151
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:28,800
they inspired. 
So either way though, that's a 

2152
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,840
great suggestion. 
So let's hit. 

2153
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,400
On our outro. 
We'll pick up where we left off 

2154
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:36,920
next time. 
That's how we're doing things, 

2155
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,800
so no need to say what comes 
next week. 

2156
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:41,920
We're just going to pick right 
up. 

2157
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,200
Where? 
This was, I guess, all the 

2158
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:45,640
secret good stuff comes next 
week. 

2159
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:46,800
Better be there. 
That's right. 

2160
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:51,320
So thanks to. 
Everyone who came and watched 

2161
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:56,160
live, thanks to A Shaya for all 
the amazing management behind 

2162
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,280
the scenes and commentary 
alongside it. 

2163
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,480
Thanks to Sean. 
I'm glad you're back my man. 

2164
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:03,960
Yeah, it's awesome. 
Can I also share? 

2165
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:07,880
Sean got three kittens. 
And Sean, you really should 

2166
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,160
tweet your kittens more. 
Just saying. 

2167
01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:13,480
So then I can tell everyone, 
Yeah, everybody go follow 

2168
01:44:13,480 --> 01:44:16,120
dancing. 
Sean, who has to have posted 

2169
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:20,600
pictures of his three kittens. 
Is it worth grabbing them right 

2170
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:21,640
now? 
Is that too much? 

2171
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,280
I'm going. 
To keep I'm going to keep 

2172
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,040
talking, so come. 
Back people love it. 

2173
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,080
The risk is that. 
They jump on a keyboard to mess 

2174
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:30,440
everything up. 
Well, that's fine. 

2175
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:33,000
It's a risk we'll have to take, 
so yeah. 

2176
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,080
Thanks to our. 
History of Westeros mods 

2177
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,640
Particular shout out to Scott 
Wortman for making sure the 

2178
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,520
episode gets posted in the group
each week. 

2179
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:43,440
Thanks to our commenters over on
Flick and Facebook and Slack and

2180
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:45,200
Discord. 
Lots of different things 

2181
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:47,360
happening, lots of discussions 
happening on those groups. 

2182
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,400
You can sort of pick which 
version of social media you like

2183
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,920
best, find the type of 
discussion format that you like 

2184
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,240
best, and join us for that. 
You might get your name 

2185
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:58,320
mentioned out loud. 
You might read aloud one of your

2186
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:00,320
questions. 
You might do that several times,

2187
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:04,720
as several of you may know from 
being regular commenters. 

2188
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,360
Thanks as well to Michael 
Klarfeld. 

2189
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:10,720
AKA. 
Clairdox.de. 

2190
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,800
That's his website. 
His maps are what you see behind

2191
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:15,320
us. 
He also is responsible for our 

2192
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:19,240
video intro. 
Thanks to Kevin McLeod for the 

2193
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:23,480
Valar Rivitas intro music. 
Thanks to Joey Townsend and 

2194
01:45:23,480 --> 01:45:26,160
Jessica Wall for our regular 
History of Westeros intro outro 

2195
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:29,120
music. 
Thanks to the Engineer for audio

2196
01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:30,600
engineering sound quality 
assistance. 

2197
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,040
And it sounds like we have cats.
We do have a cat. 

2198
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:39,120
Which cat is this, Sean? 
This is Cora her name. 

2199
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:45,080
Partly inspired. 
Mokoro lame tattoo on her face. 

2200
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,240
It's so cute. 
But mashed up with Cora the 

2201
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:49,160
Avatar. 
Her. 

2202
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,000
She's her in a storm right now. 
She knows she's a *. 

2203
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,080
Yeah, she's like I'm on. 
I'm on a live stream a. 

2204
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,880
Rat. 
It's so cute. 

2205
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:01,600
She's on his. 
Shoulder. 

2206
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,520
Nice, a great way to wrap things
up I wish I could get. 

2207
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:07,800
Her to turn toward. 
The camera, I know she's going 

2208
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,760
to do what she's. 
Going to do, she knows she. 

2209
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:11,160
Knows she's got a good. 
Butt. 

2210
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,400
That's what all the other cats. 
Want to see any cat watching 

2211
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,360
this? 
Mother cats are like first 

2212
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:23,560
shame. 
Oh there, that's a good picture.

2213
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:28,520
Poor, poor Aziz can't see this, 
but it's I. 

2214
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,720
Can't see any of this. 
I can look at it. 

2215
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:31,720
I can look at it. 
In a minute. 

2216
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:34,560
OK, you should. 
I don't have a live shot but 

2217
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,040
anyway thanks again everyone. 
Check out Hereby Dragons. 

2218
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,400
Our friends over there are are 
covering the first 3 episodes of

2219
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:41,160
Loki. 
I haven't watched Loki myself 

2220
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:42,600
yet but I'm going to. 
I did the same with One 

2221
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:44,040
Division. 
I just wait for it to all be out

2222
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:45,880
and watch it all at once. 
That's cool. 

2223
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:47,680
So it sounds like it's going 
pretty well. 

2224
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:51,960
Most reviews are pretty good so 
I I'm curious what HBD has to 

2225
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:53,360
say. 
No boys, but. 

2226
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:56,840
Cool. 
All right, everybody. 

2227
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,160
We'll be back next week. 
Same. 

2228
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:02,600
Time, same place picking up 
where we left off, more of the 

2229
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:04,880
hedge night and you know what to
do in between now and then. 

2230
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:07,640
Bellar beat reefs.