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It is almost literally 
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to think of the Kingsguard 
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Red Wine Bran, who dreams about 
joining the white cloak someday,

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names Rhyme Red Wine along with 
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Knights, but also legendary 
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Nearly every time outstanding 
alumni of the Kingsguard are 

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named Rhyme Red Wine is one of 
the Knights sighted. 

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He's openly referred to as the 
greatest night of his day, the 

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subject of songs, a paragon of 
chivalry that every other night 

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or would be Night of Westeros 
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So what do we know about Ryan 
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Can we separate fact from 
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When it comes to one of the most
celebrated Knights in Kingsguard

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of all time? 
It's hard not to exaggerate, 

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right? 
What was it that made Ryan so 

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famous, not just in his own 
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his death in current times? 
And does Ryan actually deserve 

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this golden reputation that he's
enjoyed in Westerosi memory? 

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What impact has Ryan Redwine had
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him and has that always been a 
positive legacy? 

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All that and more including our 
favorite and best contributor as

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returning guests on this episode
of History of Westeros Podcast. 

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Hello and welcome everybody. 
This is a pre recorded episode 

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Hey, we have. 
Nina Krusling back. 

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She is the main writer of this 
episode and you can find her, as

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always, at Good Queen Alley with
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How's it going, Nina? 
It's going good. 

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Well, I was, I was very 
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was your favorite contributor, 
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favorite regular guest and 
contributor 'cause you, you have

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literally interviewed George 
Armour. 

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So I feel like I can't really. 
I can't really. 

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Contain. 
There. 

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All right. 
So I'm, I'm doing very well. 

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I'm very excited to talk about 
Ryan. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
Yeah, we are too. 

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And we're on all of them as 
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I would like to start with the 
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each part we're going to talk 
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to it. 
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mention, and as we often do with
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and then for him knighthood, 
Kingsguard as a new brother, a 

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lusty brother later troubles, 
Lord Commander Hand to the King,

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Unhand of the King, last year's 
Last of the Red Wine legacy, and

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then outro and hot D. 
So let's do it. 

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Here is a famous quote from Bran
2A Game of Thrones. 

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Bran was going to be a knight 
himself someday. 

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One of the Kingsguard old man 
said they were the finest swords

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in all the realm. 
There were only seven of them 

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and they wore white armor and 
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lived only to serve the king 
brand new. 

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All the stories, their names 
were like music to him. 

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Serwin of the Mirror Shield, Sir
Ryan, Red wine, Prince Amon the 

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Dragon Knight, The twins Sir 
Eric and Sir Arek, who had died 

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on one another's swords hundreds
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sister in the war. 
The singer is called the Dance 

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of the Dragons, The White Bull, 
Gerald Hightower, Sir Arthur 

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Dayne, The Sword of the Morning,
Barristan the Bold. 

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As we said in the intro, he's 
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historical figure, often 
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well as legends and myths, so 
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He first appears, as far as 
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and Blood, his mention there in 
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remade, which is the beginning 
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It's when Ryan and his brothers 
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go to the Red Keep at a pretty 
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stage for his early life. 
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was born, but we can make some 
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Nina, what do you think? 
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it down to a fairly identifiable
window and then sort of pick an 

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age that makes sense to you 
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Really all we have to go on in 
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knighted by 58 AC because this 
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anniversary tourney. 
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younger than his late teens at 
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that at this tourney, or when 
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say Gildain refers to him as a 
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We don't really hear that phrase
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Fire. 
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gets mentioned is Aryan teasing 
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young Gallant. 
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of teasing, so I don't know how 
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that. 
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Gallant together sometimes. 
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to the 20 something Edmure as 
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when he's Rainier sworn shield 
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he's in his 20s. 
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say that Ryan was somewhere in 
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to early to mid 20s in 58 AC. 
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the late 30s or maybe very early
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So he was the third son of Lord 
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Lord of the Arbor. 
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tier, prominent in A Song of Ice
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They're very rich and powerful. 
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navies in Westeros. 
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on for several centuries at the 
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And you hit the nail on the head
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not just in the context of the 
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oldest and proudest and richest 
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the entire realm. 
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little bit amusing in this 
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his wife clearly like our names 
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Rickard and Ryan Rickard, three 
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Got a sign of his? 
Red wine. 

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But no, they they are an an 
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aristocratic family, and so I 
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is being born with the 
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mouth. 
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might call him sort of a Ryan 
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heir and he's not the spare. 
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who's gonna inherit the Arbor. 
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Ricard, who 7 forbid anything 
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inherit and is probably in any 
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right hand man. 
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identifiable career for Ryan, so
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open in terms of what Ryan's 
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that he's got this extremely 
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status. 
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discuss his legacy in full, 
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we'll go through his life before
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He's cited often in the books as
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he's made legendary by how often
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all time. 
So we could ask who his major 

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influences have been, whose 
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Now to put that in context, the 
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nearly as long. 
Obviously chivalry in the Reach 

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is ancient, but the Kingsguard 
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years old, so by the time he's 
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matter of decades. 
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influences of his would have 
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the conquest, probably because a
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at the Field of Fire. 
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to emulate in that sense, but 
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fair to say he's the opposite of
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Saddle and Lance were available 
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using them, and as you said, the
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All the wealth, every advantage,
but he also seemed to have all 

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the talent, right, so. 
No, absolutely. 

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And I think that it's so 
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As you mentioned, chivalry is 
ancient, in the reach, and it is

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a region that I don't think it's
an exaggeration to say reveres 

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chivalry or at least the idea of
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It's literally baked into their 
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The Reeks tells the story of 
John the Oak, the son of Garth 

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Greenhand, who is supposedly the
first knight in Westeros, who 

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creates the first tourney. 
And at this first tourney, who's

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the prize? 
But John's sister or half 

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sister, Maris the maid. 
So this is a region where the 

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idea of chivalry is coming from 
its earliest foundational myths,

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Although obviously knighthood 
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until much later. 
And even though the red wines 

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don't actually claimed dissent 
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that's not their sort of heroic 
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This is still something they're 
growing up with and something 

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that Ryan would have been 
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This idea that in the Reach, 
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And we see that in a very 
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What happens when Dunk goes to 
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He's literally not allowed to 
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the game says I don't believe 
you're a knight, and only 

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Knights are competing here. 
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that's very different from 
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of the Hand, where we have free 
riders, we have members of Ned's

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households who are allowed to 
compete even though they're not 

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anointed Knights, because Robert
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seriously. 
But in the Reach, the forms of 

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chivalry are very strict and 
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If you can't perform of the 
night and you are not knighted, 

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you are not allowed to take part
in the honor and glory of being 

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a knight. 
Yeah, that that scene with Dunk 

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certainly wouldn't have happened
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They'd be like, hey, red wines, 
how's it going? 

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We have your table waiting right
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Yeah. 
And they they they'd be really 

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proud to reach with that the 
legendary hero of this age, 

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which, of course, at this point 
in our timeline, he hasn't 

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gotten to that status yet, but 
he would be a talented youngster

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and up and Comer. 
Maybe people would be talking 

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about him a little bit. 
They'd be very proud that that 

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he was one of theirs. 
And the Arbor being so rich and 

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powerful, it's interesting that 
they have this long tradition of

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such and they being an island, 
would be relatively untouched by

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a lot of the wars directly. 
And that, I think, is just a 

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little cork that's interesting 
to point out about a house that 

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spawned such an important hero. 
There's a greater discussion to 

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have there about the turfs 
versus the red lines in terms of

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their devotion to chivalry and 
being island nations. 

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I don't have an idea of that. 
I just think it's interesting to

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point out. 
But we are perhaps selling this 

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short in fact, because the red 
wines had even more advantages 

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than what we've described at 
this and this era. 

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They had royal connections and 
ambitions. 

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No, absolutely. 
I mean, we're not talking about 

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just a family that's resting on 
its aristocratic credentials. 

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We're talking about a family 
that certainly for Lord Manfred,

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has ambition and wants to get 
ahead and wants to get ahead in 

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the royal government. 
Because what we see at the end 

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of Magor's reign, the red wines 
flip, they go to Jaharis, and 

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they abandoned Magor. 
And that's, I think, crucial for

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their political development in 
this era, because Jaharis seems 

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to recognize that when his uncle
Damon Valerian is promoted to 

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hand the king, Jaharis makes 
Manfred his master of ships. 

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And that's a really important 
development for the 50 odd years

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of Targaryen government up to 
this point, there had never been

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someone, you know, Lord Admiral 
or Master of ships, who had not 

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been a Valerian. 
It's so much identified as an 

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office with the Valerians that 
Yandel will go on to say that in

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some eras, it's almost literally
considered a hereditary office 

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for the Valerians. 
And yet in this era, Jaharis is 

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saying, no, I'm actually 
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this. 
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the red wines just flipped on 
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huge Navy rivaled only by the 
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So if, and they, they obviously 
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But if they chose to, they could
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making you an integral part of 
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to pay off again and again as 
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Yeah, it's a, a really a golden 
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in a golden age. 
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Ryan come together so nicely. 
He's got the freedom to devote 

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himself to knighthood as the not
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Usually that's not an advantage,
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advantage. 
I you could say, and obviously 

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as we've been describing, he's 
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privilege and, and opportunity 
here and he's absolutely didn't 

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let that slide. 
He here. 

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Did we get some early accounts 
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at court early on? 
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their father when Manfred is 
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court, Although it seems like 
Robert is pretty quickly 

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knighted because he ends up 
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attorney that his own father 
suggests the king undertake. 

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When the dragon pit is 
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Jeharis, I think it would be a 
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tourney to celebrate it. 
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And this isn't just a tourney in
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This is attorney at which 
directly or indirectly and maybe

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consciously on the part of 
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come off looking very good. 
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Robert. 
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He does eventually lose. 
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but he does quite well. 
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brother Rickard, who actually 
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Jaharis Knights him himself. 
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And to be knighted by the king 
is huge. 

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It's something that Rickard can 
take with him and trade on that 

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sort of cache and name for 
virtually the rest of his life 

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and the rest of his career in 
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So this is an era in which the 
red wines are very early on 

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getting not just a taste of 
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knighthood, but are being almost
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the heroes of chivalry in the 
capital. 

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Yeah, it's so perfect for them. 
There's a lot of pages in Fire 

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and Blood devoted to to Harris 
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So we have a lot to work with in
terms of context and what was 

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going on in the realm. 
So and what court was like at 

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the time. 
So, given these factors, what 

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can we estimate or imagine 
Ryan's life to have been like at

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court during this era? 
Well, I think it's a good 

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question. 
It's not something that gets 

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hugely detailed, but I think 
there are some things that we 

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can take away. 
Again, Ryan is coming to court 

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as a Squire now. 
We don't know who he might have 

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been squiring for on the Arbor, 
and we don't know what his 

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squiring life looks like at 
King's Landing. 

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But I don't think it's 
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say that he may have been 
squiring for one of the Knights 

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of the Kingsguard. 
After all, his father is a major

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governmental figure on the 
King's small council, so the 

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idea that his son, who is 
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would then be squiring for the 
Kingsguard not that far off the 

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mark. 
And this is not just in any age.

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I think it would be a big deal 
for someone to Squire for a 

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Knight of the Kingsguard, but 
we're talking about an age that 

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Gildane will describe as perhaps
the most illustrious of any age 

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of Kingsguard. 
Gildane says that never did any 

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Targaryen possess a Kingsguard 
who could equal to Harris's 

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first seven. 
So now imagine you're a young 

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Squire like Ryan and you are 
interacting with these Knights 

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on a daily basis, maybe even 
squiring for them. 

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That's gotta be hugely 
influential on his idea of 

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chivalry, that he's quite 
literally growing up and growing

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as a knight by being trained by 
men who are considered the 

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greatest Knights of their age 
and arguably, according to 

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Gildain, of any age of 
Kingsguard. 

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Yeah, that's a a very 
interesting point too, because 

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looking at what Gildain says, 
it's definitely somewhat a 

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matter of perspective on what 
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great. 
And the dichotomy comes down to 

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two things from what we've been 
shown, which is loyalty and to 

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the king, willingness to die for
the king and just straight up 

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skill at arms. 
The the two big dichotomies 

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there. 
So what Gildane is saying that 

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because this was an event where 
it was a tournament of an actual

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challenge at arms to be members 
of the Kingsguard, which Visenya

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was against this being this 
method being used by the way, 

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this So Geldain is basically 
saying, well, This is why 

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they're the best because they 
fought for it and that's why we 

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know. 
But that isn't necessarily what 

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makes the great Kings guard. 
So that's a question we have to 

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ask about Ryan as well as he he 
clearly has the Marshall side, 

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but is he also really known for 
being super loyal, being devoted

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in that sense? 
That's less clear, I guess, but 

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what do you think? 
Well, I think it's an 

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interesting question and it goes
to perhaps what what is Ryan's 

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take on what makes a good 
Kingsguard? 

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What is he developing as he's 
eventually becoming a 

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Kingsguard? 
What he's seeing is Knights who 

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I don't think we have any reason
to doubt, at least for these 

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initial Kingsguard that they 
were probably pretty loyalty to 

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Harris and they certainly at 
least a few of them stand with 

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him when Rogar tries to separate
him and Alison. 

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So I think it's fair to say that
they're probably pretty loyal to

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Jay Harris. 
Some do end up dying for him or 

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at least on missions for him. 
So I I think it's it is part 

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loyalty. 
I think it is absolutely skill 

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at arms, but I think it's also 
and we'll and we'll talk about 

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this as as we continue. 
They're also operating in an age

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of at least apparent chivalry. 
This is operating in the age 

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where there aren't major 
conflicts to deal with, 

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certainly major conflicts to 
deal with with respect to the 

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king. 
This is not an era, in other 

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words, comparable to say, 
Heiress the Second's reign, or 

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Aegon the 4th, or someone like 
that. 

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Not to say that I don't have 
problems with Jairus, that's a 

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different topic, but this is a 
little bit of a different age to

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compare. 
And So what Rhyme is growing up 

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with is a king who is, at least 
outwardly and for members of his

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Kingsguard, very easy to serve 
and someone who they could show 

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both devotion and skillet arms 
to. 

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Yeah, right on. 
Now this is something we 

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occasionally see from time to 
time in in the real life, in 

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stories, etcetera. 
Brothers, siblings really, but 

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in this case brothers relatively
close in age who are all on the 

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same track, in this case 
knighthood. 

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They have similar values and 
day-to-day lives. 

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They had a very similar 
upbringing in terms of what's 

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what values and goals and 
attainable things that you're 

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supposed to do in your life, all
that stuff. 

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These young red wine brothers 
are dreaming of their future 

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with in that life, in that 
lifestyle, with that profession.

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And they might also be imagining
something like the War of the 

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White or the War for the White, 
rather another tournament to be 

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in the Kingsguard or something 
similar to that. 

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That isn't a way for them to 
show off their prowess. 

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Maybe even an actual war. 
I don't know if they were hoping

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for that. 
That's an odd thing to hope for.

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But you know, one of the things,
well, if there is a war, I'm 

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going to go prove myself. 
So but tournaments are such a 

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big part of their lifestyle in 
the Reach, as we said, it's such

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a long standing. 
It's like the number one sport. 

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It's like the football of, of, 
of Westeros. 

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The the, the by far the most 
popular thing. 

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So shining in that is the the 
biggest thing you can do in your

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life. 
So yeah, that's, that's really 

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interesting that, that this is 
probably already at a very young

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age. 
It's the main focus of their 

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entire life. 
No, absolutely. 

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And I think when you print out 
the the war for the white 

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Cloaks, it is a really 
interesting event, not only 

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because it leads to the choosing
of these teams guard, but also 

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because this would still have 
been very recent news when the 

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young red wine brothers are 
getting into court. 

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This is happening the year 
before they get there. 

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So I don't think everyone 
suddenly forgot that this was a 

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thing that happened. 
I think this is something that 

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was still famous and still 
talked about and still marvelled

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at as to how many nights 
competed and how well the 

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winners did and how they got 
chosen. 

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And so if you're the young red 
wine brothers, especially Ryan, 

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who are growing up at this 
point, it's like you almost 

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literally had this front row 
seat to the best of, as far as I

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could tell, the best of what 
chivalry had to offer. 

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That this is an era where, 
perhaps for the first time in 

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the 50 odd years of Targaryen 
monarchy, the King's Guard is 

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something to aspire to. 
The King's Guard is something 

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that's famous in its own right. 
The King's Guard is something 

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that a young boy can dream of 
joining. 

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They may be in in the first or 
second generation of boys who 

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are growing up wanting to wear 
that white cloak. 

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And now they've got this example
where, yeah, you can, if you are

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skilled enough at arms and you 
do show enough loyalty to the 

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king, you too can dream of 
wearing that white cloak and 

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being one of the most famous and
illustrious Knights of your age.

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Yeah, this is of course all 
sparked by Bran's early dreams 

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of of being a knight of the 
Kingsguard. 

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And he's a Stark of Winterfell. 
Can you imagine how different 

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and how much more intense and 
frequent this some? 

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A boy in in the Arbor or 
elsewhere in the Reach really 

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would follow a similar path or 
have similar dreams. 

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And as you say, it's a 
relatively new path. 

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Not knighthood, obviously, but 
the Kingsguard. 

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And it makes. 
So much sense that Knights of 

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the Reach and the other nightly 
regions, Stormlands, the Vale, 

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the the West and the Riverlands.
Of course, they are, of course, 

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aspiring to this because they're
all Knights. 

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It's a very nightly thing. 
It's a nightly order they love. 

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Like in the upcoming book, we 
know that they're making up this

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new order of winged Knights and 
everybody's so excited. 

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They all love the idea. 
They all want to be one of these

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new things. 
So it's a similar vibe, but in 

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this case, it's a lot more regal
than that. 

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It's a little bit more 
established and it's built on 

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that anchor of of long, long 
tradition. 

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Look, think of the Manderleys. 
They've been gone from the Reach

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for 1000 years, and yet what is 
one of their titles that they're

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still clinging to? 
Knights of the Order of the 

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Green Hood. 
It's still matters to them 

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because it's got that cachet, 
it's got that prestige to it. 

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And I think you're right, this 
is something that they can they 

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can dream of growing up. 
And I don't think it's well, I 

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should say I think it's worth 
considering as well. 

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The it's not just the kings 
guard themselves, although that 

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is very important. 
It's also the king himself. 

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We already mentioned the fact 
that Ricard was literally 

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knighted by Jaharis, which is a 
huge, huge, huge deal. 

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George Martin compares gang a 
knighthood from a king or a 

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Prince or a famous knight to 
like getting a degree from 

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Harvard. 
No, it doesn't mean that you 

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have any more of a college 
degree than someone else, but it

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carries a name. 
It carries A cachet and similar 

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year pure knighted by a king. 
Well, that's a big deal. 

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That's something that you can 
carry. 

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And this isn't just any king. 
This is a king who remember, 

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he's not the old king yet. 
He's in his mid 20s. 

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At this point he's like King 
who's. 

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Training every day with his 
Kingsguard, who takes personal 

444
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,320
martial training extremely 
seriously. 

445
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,960
He's a he's a dowdy fighter in 
his own right. 

446
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,640
And so for young Ryan and and 
his brothers too, I think 

447
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,840
there's a way in which they may 
have felt like they were sort of

448
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,000
growing up in, and I'll use a, a
real world sort of comparison 

449
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,400
here, kind of growing up in 
Westerosi, Camelot. 

450
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,600
You've got this illustrious 
king, you've got his great 

451
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,480
Kingsguard, you've got the 
Knights around him. 

452
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,320
It seems like this palace of 
chivalry where everyone is noble

453
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,440
and great and knighthood is 
celebrated. 

454
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,520
Of course, as a young as a young
man and growing up to to be a 

455
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,400
knight, Ryan is gonna dream of 
joining the Kingsguard. 

456
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,600
Cause who wouldn't in that 
context? 

457
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,680
Yeah, you're right. 
It's so it's it's a very well 

458
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,840
trodden path and he was in the 
the VIP lane and both because of

459
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,680
his birth and his skill set and 
as you said, just his his 

460
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,080
younger brother or older 
brothers. 

461
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,400
That's a a long standing thing 
in families siblings, we get the

462
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,120
youngest sibling, especially if 
the elder siblings are all 

463
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,120
following the same path. 
They have a bar to exceed. 

464
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,320
It isn't just their father and 
grandfather who set that bar. 

465
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,320
The bar set by their own 
siblings seems to be more of 

466
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,720
what you aim for, the thing 
that's more in your lane. 

467
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,000
Personally. 
So that I love that how this 

468
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,680
fits into this so well, the way 
George has crafted the the 

469
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,520
context for this character. 
So, yeah, he didn't just grow up

470
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,440
on the Arbor. 
He grew up in the Arbor and at 

471
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,320
court around this Westerosi, 
Camelot, which I think is a 

472
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,400
fantastic way to put it. 
It is. 

473
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,360
It is just so perfect. 
You've got the, like you said, 

474
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,040
the Kingsguard practicing with 
the king. 

475
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,600
Yeah, of course you wouldn't be 
part of that. 

476
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,680
That's the the best. 
It's it ever was probably the 

477
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,720
golden. 
You don't know when you're 

478
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,440
living in the golden years, when
you're living in the golden 

479
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,280
years. 
But they were living in the 

480
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,680
golden years. 
And we want to wonder later when

481
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,160
he's older if he's going to look
back on that and be like, yeah, 

482
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,240
those were the golden years, 
weren't they? 

483
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,960
But we're not there yet. 
Knighthood. 

484
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,680
We don't know exactly when Ryan 
was knighted, but he was 

485
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,640
knighted by 58 AC because as you
said earlier, he was in Joe 

486
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,840
Harris's 10th year anniversary 
tournament and that meant he was

487
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,160
a knight by that. 
So in other words, we can narrow

488
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,040
it down. 
But of more interest than that, 

489
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,240
of course, is how well he did 
and and what that led to. 

490
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,840
I think that this is probably, 
if not the first, one of the 

491
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,440
first major events that he's 
showing off in front of the 

492
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,000
royal couple. 
I guess there may have been 

493
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,800
small tourneys or, you know, 
some of the Knights who were 

494
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,600
practicing may have the royal 
couple, may have been walking 

495
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,720
them. 
But this is the first time that 

496
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,160
we hear about a big tourney that
the royal couple is stating that

497
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,360
Ryan is competing in. 
And what a showing to come out 

498
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,000
for his first big tourney 
because in his successive tilt, 

499
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,040
he beats Ronald Baratheon, he 
beats Arthur Oakhart, he beats 

500
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Simon Dondarian, he beats Harris
Hogg, he beats Lawrence Roxton, 

501
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,080
and he beats Lukamore Strong. 
And that's a lot of names. 

502
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,920
And these are not slouches. 
Simon Dondarian just won the 

503
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,000
Dragon Pit tourney. 
He probably beat Robert Redwine 

504
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,240
to win it. 
Lawrence Roxton had been one of 

505
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,120
the victors in the War for the 
White Cloaks. 

506
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,480
Harris Hogg and Lukamore Strong 
had competed in the melee of the

507
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,240
Dragon Pit tourney, and Lukamore
actually won that. 

508
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,600
So these are not your local 
yokels that Ryum is beating. 

509
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,360
These are very talented Knights 
in their own right. 

510
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:32,360
So the idea that this late 
teens, maybe early mid 20s Ryum 

511
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:36,280
is besting all of them, I think 
that's showing a lot of talent 

512
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,120
on his part. 
And yeah, I think the obvious 

513
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,800
comparison here is Loris in A 
Game of Thrones, when he's doing

514
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,000
so spectacularly well in the 
Tourney of the Hand, even though

515
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,440
he's quite young as well. 
He's beating night after night 

516
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,080
and he's winning very easily, 
both because he's very talented 

517
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,120
but also because he's using very
clever tactics. 

518
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,000
And they're both third sons. 
We'll, we'll come back to the 

519
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,880
we'll come back to this Lawrence
comparison. 

520
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,040
He's very rich. 
But we're we'll stick to our 

521
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,080
timeline for now. 
So I think it's obvious he's Got

522
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,480
Talent, but he doesn't just have
gousting talent. 

523
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,600
I think Ryan also had what we 
might call showmanship. 

524
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,200
He knows how to work the crowd. 
He knows how to play on how 

525
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,880
talented he is because not only 
does he win, but what does he do

526
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,480
to name of Queen of Love and 
Beauty? 

527
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,240
Why, of course, he names the 
queen herself Queen Alison. 

528
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,640
Now, to be clear, naming a Queen
of Love and beauty doesn't 

529
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,120
automatically mean that the 
night in question has some sort 

530
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,280
of romantic or sexual interest 
in the woman in question. 

531
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,160
It can, but it doesn't have to. 
I mean, think of Barristan at 

532
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,480
the tourney of Harrenhal. 
What does he think of later? 

533
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,760
Who would he have named had he 
won? 

534
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,040
His first two thoughts are Queen
Raela and Princess Elia. 

535
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,080
Not because he was romantically 
interested in either of them, 

536
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,240
it's because they are literally 
the highest ranking women in the

537
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,480
country. 
So of course, it would be quite 

538
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,080
natural for a Kingsguard to look
to these two most senior royal 

539
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,000
women to honor at this big 
tournament. 

540
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,680
We have other examples of this 
too. 

541
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,760
You know, Simon Dondarian wins 
and he names Princess Daenerys, 

542
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,040
who's a toddler. 
Yet he's not showing romantic 

543
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,680
interest. 
He's honoring the king and 

544
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,640
queen. 
Same thing with Christian Cole. 

545
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,960
When King Deserys first becomes 
king and Raniera is about 7 

546
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,520
years old. 
Christian Cole wins and then he 

547
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,960
gives Raniera the victor's 
Laurel. 

548
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,800
It's not because he's showing 
romantic interest in Raniera, 

549
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,160
certainly not in that moment. 
He's showing honor to the King 

550
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,240
who just came into his throne by
honoring the daughter that he 

551
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,000
clearly loves, as I think Ryan 
is operating in a very similar 

552
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,200
way here. 
I agree. 

553
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,960
And he probably, as you said on 
the matter of showmanship, knew 

554
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,240
what to say, knew how to put it,
came from a kind of family that 

555
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,600
would know how to craft the 
right speech if he wanted help 

556
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,920
with it. 
For example, he may have just 

557
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,800
been naturally charismatic. 
And this is an an interesting 

558
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,440
idea and thing to consider. 
You mentioned Loris and being 

559
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,160
cunning, and there is something 
to be said for self marketing 

560
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,360
when you are a famous hero or at
some point famous hero. 

561
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,280
He's not there yet, obviously. 
And that is something that he 

562
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,920
may have had a talent for. 
Not to say he didn't deserve his

563
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,760
recognition, but he may have 
nudged it a bit forward. 

564
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,400
And that might be why he ended 
up #1 instead of, you know, just

565
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,360
among the best, all right, of 
his era. 

566
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,520
So it's interesting to consider.
We obviously can't know for 

567
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,200
sure, but fun to think. 
About this is Ryom. 

568
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,560
Certainly knowing what the the 
soft power of politics looks 

569
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,280
like and knowing how to work 
that. 

570
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Queen Alison is beloved, she is 
very much loved by the Commons. 

571
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,600
Everyone knows Queen Alison, 
she's well known for her charity

572
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,360
and her love for the people. 
So by giving the crown of the 

573
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,760
Queen of love and beauty to 
Alison, what is Ryom saying? 

574
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,320
I have no romantic interest. 
I have no lover, I have no woman

575
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,520
I want to marry. 
I want to devote my life to my 

576
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,520
most celebrated queen. 
I want to devote my life to the 

577
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,040
crown. 
If he's not literally thinking 

578
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440
of joining the Kings guard up by
this point, although he may 

579
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,120
have, this is a pretty good 
advertisement for him. 

580
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,440
This is saying, look at me, I am
devoting my life to you as the 

581
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,640
royal couple. 
It's so perfect because if they 

582
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,960
look into it, they realize just 
how perfect he is. 

583
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,600
Third son devoted to this comes 
from the chivalric tradition 

584
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,240
that produces the type of people
that they're looking for. 

585
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,680
The Knights who would be devoted
to this, it's not something they

586
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,400
just say. 
They literally do grow up with 

587
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,320
these values. 
It's not just something to pay 

588
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,240
lip service to. 
Maybe some of them do, but it's 

589
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,720
believable that he is genuinely 
focused with all of his being on

590
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,600
this goal of becoming a 
Kingsguard Knights. 

591
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,600
And that's something that they 
would notice and go, yes, this, 

592
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,480
this guy is perhaps a candidate.
Whatever he thought his future 

593
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,640
might be, he had certainly a 
bright future. 

594
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Whatever it was going to turn 
out. 

595
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680
His start to life was good. 
He had been knighted. 

596
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,360
His brothers were doing well. 
And we'll move forward to the 

597
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:18,560
next phase now, Kingsguard, the 
Golden age was interrupted by 

598
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,520
horrible events. 
Even golden ages can have really

599
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,560
terrible moments. 
And this one happened to work 

600
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,440
out in a sense for Ryan because 
it was the Shivers and that 

601
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,960
killed a lot of people, 
including a couple of 

602
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,440
Kingsguards. 
So yeah, let's see what happened

603
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,680
next. 
Take us away, Nina. 

604
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,440
You know, I, I think you put it 
really well to say that this is 

605
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,560
sort of a, a very abrupt end to 
what it might have been. 

606
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,960
This early lineage of Saharis or
apparent will native Saharis's 

607
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,160
reign, the shivers is 
devastating. 

608
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,000
We, we know that this is a 
pandemic that hits Westeros very

609
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,880
hard and hits King's Landing 
very hard. 

610
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,520
Now, we don't know if Ryan was 
actually there or if he left for

611
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,239
the Arbor or somewhere else. 
But we know the people who are 

612
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,159
in King's Landing, they're being
affected very badly by this 

613
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,920
disease. 
And it's not making distinctions

614
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,520
between high and low. 
It's not making distinctions 

615
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,159
between people that Ryan 
wouldn't know and people that he

616
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,040
did. 
In fact, there are definitely 

617
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,320
people that Ryan would have 
known who were dying of this 

618
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,199
disease. 
Princess Daenerys, we mentioned 

619
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,920
to her a little bit before. 
Ryan absolutely would have known

620
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,960
her as a member of the royal 
family. 

621
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,760
He also definitely would have 
known Albin Massey. 

622
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,239
He worked with his father on the
small council. 

623
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,120
And as you say, there are 
Kingsguards who are dying too. 

624
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,600
And although we don't know it, I
wouldn't be surprised if some of

625
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,560
Ryan's friends were dying or 
friends of his brothers or 

626
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,480
friends of his fathers who are 
dying in this. 

627
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,760
Again, this is a devastating 
disease. 

628
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,120
So I think it may have really 
affected Ryan and, and sort of 

629
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,960
perhaps made him question a bit,
you know, what does my future 

630
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:01,440
look like and, and what am I 
doing? 

631
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,600
This is sort of the the first 
big tragedy, so to speak, that 

632
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,960
may have affected his life. 
Absolutely. 

633
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,200
I think the the nights of summer
phrase is perfect for this 

634
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,200
because, as you say, it's 
everything was so great and then

635
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,720
it wasn't and they had to learn 
that life isn't a song. 

636
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Seeing people die of a horrible 
disease is about as sobering as 

637
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,480
it gets in terms of if you think
you're living in a if you 

638
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,680
thought you were living in a 
song, you you might look back on

639
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,000
it and go, I was living in a 
song, you know, seeing all this 

640
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,160
happen. 
I mean, this is not a song that 

641
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,000
anyone wants to hear, not this 
one. 

642
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,320
This would be a terrible song 
And and and death by disease. 

643
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,200
As a person who wants to be a 
knight, it's super unnerving. 

644
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,520
I mean, you want to die in 
battle. 

645
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,640
I mean you don't want to die, 
but you want when you do die to 

646
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,120
be be a brave death, a a noble 
death, which dying in your bed 

647
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,560
with to a disease is that's just
so ignoble. 

648
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,960
And in that sense, it's 
terrifying to them because it 

649
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,640
undermines what they expect to 
be in life. 

650
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,840
It undermines the lifestyle that
their whole life is built on, 

651
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,000
their whole view of of what the 
world is. 

652
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,160
No, I agreed. 
I mean, fundamentally, the job 

653
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,800
of the Kingsguard is to die for 
the king. 

654
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,040
That that is what you sign up 
for when you're a Kingsguard is 

655
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,600
if and when the King's life is 
in danger. 

656
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,280
You're the one who to, to use a 
modern metaphor, takes the 

657
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,280
bullet for the king instead of 
the king himself. 

658
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,120
So the idea that Sir Sam Goode 
and Sir Victor the Valiant are 

659
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,680
dying in their bed, I think it 
would have been shocking both to

660
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,880
them, obviously, but also to 
Ryan, to see these great Knights

661
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,760
who won in the war for the white
Cloaks, who are so apparently, 

662
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,000
you know, brave and militarily 
capable. 

663
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,320
And they're just dying of 
something that they have no 

664
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,920
control over and they have no 
way to die for the king. 

665
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,520
They're dying on their own 
alone. 

666
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,760
I think that would have been 
really unnerving. 

667
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,680
Obviously horrible for them, but
also shocking for Ryan. 

668
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,840
So let's get specific what 
happened here in terms of the 

669
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,760
King's Guard and the shuffling 
around with the shivers. 

670
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,000
Right, so we we mentioned 
Shosham good of Sour Hill and to

671
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,880
Victor the Valiant die from from
the Shivers. 

672
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,880
And so now Jaharis has two open 
slots. 

673
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,320
He obviously has to fill them. 
And So what does he need to do? 

674
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,840
Well, he needs to find Knights. 
Obviously the king and the Lord 

675
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,280
commander can only name Knights 
that they know. 

676
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,120
They can't name Knights the 
Kingsguard that they don't know 

677
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,840
about. 
So they need to look around and 

678
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,040
they need to find replacements. 
And it's doubly hard because now

679
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,920
you're trying to replace what is
a little less than 1/3 of the 

680
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,800
Kingsguard all of a sudden. 
And people that Jaharis knew 

681
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,920
personally and liked personally.
So it's, it's a, it's a doubly 

682
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,440
hard task for him. 
And we know from Gildain that 

683
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,040
it's Giles Morgan who's the Lord
Commander who suggests Riyam 

684
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,520
along with Robin Shaw as these 
replacements. 

685
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,480
It's also notable, and this is 
not related to the Kingsguard, 

686
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,360
but again, as you put it, it's 
a, it's a disease that does have

687
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,600
some, let's say, beneficial 
outcomes for the red wines. 

688
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,520
It's not just Riyam who 
benefits. 

689
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,200
It's also his brother Robert, 
because he's named as commander 

690
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,280
of the City Watch in place of 
Carl Korbray, who also died of 

691
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,440
the Shivers. 
So even though this is a 

692
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,880
devastating disease, I don't 
want to lessen that impact in 

693
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,040
any way, shape or form or how it
might have impacted Ryan or 

694
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Robert for that matter. 
I do think this is also an 

695
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,600
opportunity that for the red 
wines to step into more royal 

696
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:30,920
favor. 
Absolutely. 

697
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Yeah, that's a great point. 
And they're getting the offices 

698
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,720
that they aimed for. 
When they arrived the three 

699
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,720
Squires at court, they knew, of 
course, the eldest would go back

700
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,360
to be Lord of the Arbor someday,
and the other two had all the 

701
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,520
opportunity to make their place.
And now we see that happen 

702
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,840
abruptly. 
They might have worked their way

703
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,920
into that over the long term, 
but the Shivers catapulted them 

704
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,200
forward in the timeline so they 
didn't have to. 

705
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,320
There were the ladder that they 
had to climb got a lot shorter. 

706
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,600
And are we supposed to think 
that Ryan's choice was just? 

707
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,600
Obvious. 
Or is that maybe taking it too 

708
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,480
far? 
No, I I think it was probably 

709
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,680
pretty obvious. 
Again, they're they're choosing 

710
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,200
from probably a relatively small
pool. 

711
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,000
Yes, the Kingsguard is 
officially supposed to be a 

712
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,920
meritocracy. 
You're supposed to get in by 

713
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,320
your merits according to the 
King and Lord Commander. 

714
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,600
But as with any institution in 
Westeros, there are deeply 

715
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,320
classist elements to it, and 
there's also deeply biased 

716
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,720
elements to it. 
And to work quite bluntly, Ryan 

717
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,440
is there and he's got all the 
right credentials. 

718
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,720
Yes, he's young, but he's not so
incredibly young that I think 

719
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,920
that would have been held 
against him, especially by a 

720
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:49,200
king who is himself only in his 
mid to late 20s at this point. 

721
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,120
Someone who's in his late teens 
or early 20s by this time, but 

722
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,160
doesn't seem so incredibly young
that he doesn't belong in the 

723
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Kingsguard, so to speak. 
And again, Gaharis just saw him 

724
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,960
perform so spectacularly at this
anniversary tourney where he's 

725
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,240
not just showing off his skills 
as a dowser, although obviously 

726
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:13,560
that was there, but also his 
very public devotion to the 

727
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,640
crown, Both things that, as you 
point out before, are very 

728
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,000
important to consider for a king
or a Lord commander in a new 

729
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,080
member of the Kingsguard. 
And also, and and you mentioned 

730
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,840
this before, he is the youngest 
of three brothers, so. 

731
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,480
It's not like his appointment is
going to be offensive to Laura 

732
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,760
Manfred. 
In fact, it actually might be 

733
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,680
welcome to him. 
You know, we hear about this in 

734
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,400
a storm of sorts. 
When Littlefinger is explaining 

735
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,960
why he suggested that Loris take
take the White and become a 

736
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,320
Kingsguard. 
He mentions that one of the 

737
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,800
advantages is that Mies Terrell 
doesn't have to find him lands 

738
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,720
or a bride. 
Same thing for Manfred. 

739
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:56,040
He no longer has to find a job 
or a holding or a wife for the 

740
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,080
third son of his if he joins the
Kingsguard while still having 

741
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,200
his heir and his spare. 
So I think all of that made a 

742
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,160
lot of sense to to Harris and to
Sir Giles as they're looking for

743
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,920
a replacement for these two dead
Kingsguard. 

744
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,320
Yeah, they really just fit the 
bill in a number of ways, didn't

745
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,400
they? 
Other examples, real quick, of 

746
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,920
third sons who joined the 
Kingsguard. 

747
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Like she already said, Loris 
Tyrell, that's a perfect one. 

748
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Eric or Arik, good chance one of
them was the third son. 

749
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,320
If they were this, if there was 
two brothers or one brother 

750
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,880
ahead, then one of them was the 
third son. 

751
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,960
Or like say Benjamin Stark, if 
we're using an example from a 

752
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,400
different order where you give 
up your family and claims. 

753
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,800
So that's similar to Kingsguard,
Waymar Royce, another example, 

754
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,360
the the first noble character we
see in the entire series, also a

755
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,120
third son. 
Now let's let's summarize the 

756
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:54,360
sowie put it standing of house 
red wine here now that Ryan is 

757
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,040
in the Kingsguard because it's 
it's a lot. 

758
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,480
It's even stronger than it was 
when we talked about it a little

759
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,720
while ago. 
And I think this is also coming 

760
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:07,800
into that calculus of what makes
Ryan a good choice for being a 

761
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,360
Kingsguard. 
This is a family that's already,

762
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,040
in certainly to Harris's mind, 
proven its loyalty to the crown 

763
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,840
for more than a decade. 
We talked about how they 

764
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,000
declared for Jaharis instead of 
Mangor at the end of Mangor's 

765
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
reign. 
We talk about the fact that 

766
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,080
Manfred was serving apparently 
pretty well as Master of Ships 

767
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,120
for Jaharis. 
Jaharis had personally knighted 

768
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,840
Ryan's brother Rickard during 
the Dragon Pit tourney. 

769
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,240
And again, we talked about how 
Ryan showed off how loyal he was

770
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,000
to Alison and the crown during 
that anniversary tourney. 

771
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,320
So this is a family that Gaheris
has every reason to believe is 

772
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,920
incredibly loyal to him and is 
not going to betray him and is 

773
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,120
going to serve him admirably. 
So why not make its youngest son

774
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,680
one of his Kingsguard? 
There's no reason for Gaheris to

775
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,680
think not to think that Ryan 
wouldn't die for him if and when

776
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,760
the need arose. 
You know, he didn't have a 

777
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,200
nickname that we know of, which 
a lot of these famous guys have 

778
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,120
that not all of them do. 
One reason he might not have had

779
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,880
one is his name already kind of 
rolls off the tongue. 

780
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,920
So rhyme red wine. 
It's already so nice. 

781
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,800
Like again, everything about 
this guy is perfect. 

782
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Like. 
Jeez. 

783
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,880
But if I were to give him a 
nickname, he's a Kingsguard from

784
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:18,480
house. 
Red wine. 

785
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,720
So that would have to be white 
wine, right? 

786
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,440
Arbor Gold. 
Yeah, I know. 

787
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,000
Arbor Gold. 
Want. 

788
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,120
No. 
Yeah. 

789
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,240
How could it be? 
How could it be anyway all? 

790
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,720
Right, let's move on to our next
section. 

791
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,920
This one's called as a new 
brother. 

792
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,360
The year after Ryan became a 
member of the Kingsguard, we had

793
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,920
what is sometimes referred to as
the Third Dornish War. 

794
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,200
It wasn't a full scale civil 
war. 

795
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,880
It was. 
Something, but it was. 

796
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,800
Fair. 
I think we could say no. 

797
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,240
I think that's right and. 
We hear. 

798
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,520
From Gildaine that even though 
officially or maybe academically

799
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,960
it's referred to as the Third 
Dornish War, popularly it's 

800
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,080
remembered as Lord Rogar's War. 
And I I don't agree with 

801
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,640
Gildaine on a lot of things, but
I do agree that's probably a 

802
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,160
more nickname because it wasn't 
really a war between the Iron 

803
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,280
Throne as the Targaryen 
government and Sun Spear as the 

804
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,240
Dornish or Martel government. 
And what is? 

805
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:27,040
It was a war between Rogar 
Baratheon and his outlaw brother

806
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Boris, who just joined up with 
the Vulture King. 

807
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,800
And we know that Rogar took 
about 500 men into the Red 

808
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,720
Mountains and Jaharis flew above
the Monvermithor to try to root 

809
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:40,120
out Boris and also root out the 
Vulture King. 

810
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,520
Now, we don't know if Ryan was 
among those 500 men. 

811
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,400
Gulden doesn't mention any 
King's Guard being part of this.

812
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,480
That doesn't mean they weren't. 
It just means that we don't 

813
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,840
know. 
I do think it would be a little 

814
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,320
strange if the Jaharis is 
personally going to war here and

815
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,000
he doesn't have at least one 
member of his Kingsguard. 

816
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,680
Again, practically, he does have
Firmathor. 

817
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,760
I understand that. 
But also, I, I think the optics 

818
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,840
would have seemed a little 
strange if the King is going off

819
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,000
to war and all seven of his 
sworn Kingsguard who are bound 

820
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,760
to die for him are sitting back 
home in King's Landing. 

821
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,360
Whether or not that means Ryan 
would have gone, that I'm a 

822
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,600
little less certain on because 
at this point he would have been

823
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,240
the newest Kingsguard along with
Robin Shaw. 

824
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,640
He still would have been quite 
young. 

825
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,880
I think it would have made more 
sense if if Saharis did take any

826
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,480
of his Kingsguard with him, to 
take one of the more senior 

827
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,400
Kingsguards, someone that he had
known a little bit longer, 

828
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,840
someone who was a little more 
experienced, someone who would 

829
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,240
know what to do with the king. 
As opposed to the quote UN quote

830
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,040
the new recruit. 
Absolutely there's. 

831
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,320
A lot of sense to the idea that 
he would have gone because of 

832
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,000
take the best warrior, but it's 
not that simple. 

833
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Like you say, there's seniority 
and Jairus would be aware of 

834
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,440
such things. 
He wouldn't necessarily want to 

835
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,720
offend the Knights. 
We've been around for a while. 

836
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,280
It's not like they hadn't earned
their chance to be at his side 

837
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,600
because that is something they 
want to do. 

838
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,640
They want to be there. 
They're going out and wars are 

839
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,640
rare. 
These are brave men. 

840
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,800
They want to do their job, and 
the best job in that moment is 

841
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,880
being at his side, not back at 
the castle. 

842
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,760
They'll do what's job they're 
told, obviously, but the best 

843
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,560
job at that moment was to go 
fight in that war. 

844
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,400
That's the that's the exciting 
one. 

845
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,080
That's the one where you can 
make a name for yourself. 

846
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,880
But in this case, no, Kingsguard
did make a name for themselves 

847
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,400
because there's no mention of of
such. 

848
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,560
Vermithor did a lot, an awful 
lot by himself there. 

849
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,240
And of course, Jahari did spend 
not all of his time in the air, 

850
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,320
but that's as an aside. 
That's an interesting question. 

851
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,160
How did the Kingsguard function 
in the era of when the Dragons 

852
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,360
actually existed versus now? 
Where now it's simple. 

853
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,640
They're just always around the 
king. 

854
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,000
But before they're like, well, I
can't be around him when he's up

855
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,480
there, so I just got to try to 
be where he's going to land and 

856
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,640
then guard him from there. 
So yeah, it must have been a 

857
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,080
little trickier, but at the 
same. 

858
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,760
Time the only one that could. 
Attack the king on a dragon is, 

859
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,720
well, usually another dragon. 
So I guess it does kind of lead 

860
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:13,680
to a strange reminder of the 
division of loyalty, of can you 

861
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,560
defend A Targaryen from another 
Targaryen? 

862
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,360
Yeah. 
That is a tough. 

863
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,280
That's a. 
That's an entire. 

864
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,880
Philosophical. 
Question we don't have time to 

865
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,760
get into? 
Yep. 

866
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,920
So Ryan would have certainly 
been. 

867
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,040
There in the year 62, when the 
king named Amon his eldest son, 

868
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,840
Prince of Dragonstone. 
That's a pretty big ceremony, 

869
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,840
pretty big deal, and it's a 
place that we couldn't assume 

870
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,280
he'd be elsewhere for. 
Absolutely. 

871
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,760
I'm I'm going to assume. 
That all seven members of the 

872
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,080
Kingsguard are here for this. 
This is a really big deal. 

873
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,480
This is a really big celebration
at quarter, not only because 

874
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,200
it's acknowledging Amon as air, 
certainly it is, but I think it 

875
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,360
also may have been the moment 
where Amon is transitioning into

876
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,560
his beginning of his Marshall 
training. 

877
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,560
This is round about the age that
aristocratic Westerosi boys 

878
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,760
start to become pages and 
Squires. 

879
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,840
They're not obviously going to 
be knighted tomorrow, but 

880
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,160
they're starting to learn the 
rudiments of military training 

881
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,920
and also the rudiments of 
chivalry. 

882
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,960
We see this with Bran again in 
in Game of Thrones. 

883
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,880
He's about 7 and he's allowed to
spar, albeit in a, in a very 

884
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,800
formalized and very unmartial 
way with Tom and when the World 

885
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,240
Party comes to to Winterfell. 
So I think it's very possible 

886
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:30,920
that in this moment, Eamon would
have been beginning his Marshall

887
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,440
training. 
And in that sense, I could see 

888
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,120
where if Eamon wasn't literally 
squiring for Ryan, he may have 

889
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,640
been working with Ryan very 
closely in terms of learning 

890
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,080
aspects of knighthood and 
aspects of chivalry from Ryan 

891
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,280
Redwine. 
Think about, for example, again,

892
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:50,000
return to Loris in A Beast for 
Crows. 

893
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,640
What is her CC him doing? 
He's training Tommen. 

894
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,520
He's training Tommen how to 
joust at the very basic steps of

895
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,720
how to joust. 
I think there may have been a 

896
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,760
similar relationship between 
Eamonn and Ryan. 

897
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:09,320
Eamonn's maybe roughly about 15 
years younger than Ryan and give

898
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,280
or take. 
So I think he may have been 

899
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,520
looking to Ryan as sort of an 
older brother figure, someone 

900
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,360
that he can look to this 
illustrious example of. 

901
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,200
Here's what it means to be a 
great knight. 

902
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,400
Here's what it means to be a 
member of the Kingsguard. 

903
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,560
And this is who I can learn from
to become a great knight myself 

904
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,160
one day. 
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

905
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,960
Especially if you consider 
Eamon's personality on top of 

906
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,120
all that because he was a very 
serious, good-natured, well 

907
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,720
mannered Prince and that could 
be the influence of a chivalric 

908
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,480
popular kingsguard who had a big
influence on him and someone 

909
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,920
that he wanted to be like. 
Makes a lot of sense. 

910
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:54,000
So again, we might have been 
back to either a second golden 

911
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,240
age or just back to the original
golden age after that 

912
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:01,160
interruption by the Shivers, 
because the next basically 10 

913
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,000
years, which would be the first 
ten years of Ryan's Kingsguard 

914
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,680
service, things went pretty 
well. 

915
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,280
For quite a. 
While and that may have yeah, 

916
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,320
just felt like another set of 
golden years and it kind of was 

917
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,360
no agreed. 
I mean this. 

918
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,280
Is if you're going to serve as a
Kingsguard at any time, this is 

919
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,400
a pretty good time to serve as a
Kingsguard. 

920
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,160
There's really no major wars. 
There's no really difficult 

921
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,400
challenges for the Kingsguard to
face. 

922
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,720
The Targaryen family is growing,
so there's more and more 

923
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,480
Princess and princesses. 
The realms at peace to Harris is

924
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,960
starting to work on his road 
construction. 

925
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,080
And there's enough security and 
stability and prosperity 

926
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,320
throughout the realm that we see
tourneys being celebrated 

927
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,680
throughout the Kingdom. 
And these are opportunities that

928
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,800
Ryan gets to show off more of 
his dousing skills. 

929
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,960
He gets to attend more of these 
events and really develop in 

930
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,200
that knighthood. 
So we hear, for example, that 

931
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,720
Lord Darkland hosts Attorney in 
72 AC to celebrate his marriage.

932
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,320
Gilding doesn't say that Ryan 
specifically attended, but I 

933
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,880
wouldn't be surprised if he did.
Given that both Eamonn and 

934
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,800
Bailon go and they participate 
in Squires Tourney, I think it 

935
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:20,520
would be very unusual for both 
of the King's male heirs to go 

936
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,200
to Attorney and to not have at 
least one member of the 

937
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,720
Kingsguard with them. 
I mean, again, compare the head 

938
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,040
tonight. 
We've got 6 Targaryen Princess 

939
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,840
going to Ashford and they've got
3 Kingsguard going with them. 

940
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,040
So I have to think at least one 
Kingsguard was going with these 

941
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,040
teenage Princess to Lord 
Darkland's wedding tourney. 

942
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,000
And again, although we don't 
hear of Ryan going, I think it's

943
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,240
very possible that he would have
heard about this great tourney 

944
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,040
and would have thought, I want 
to compete. 

945
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,880
I want to show off my skills. 
I want to keep honing these 

946
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,520
skills and I want to compete 
against the best that Westeros 

947
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,160
has to offer, at least is able 
to go to this tournament. 

948
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:01,160
So he very well may have 
competed. 

949
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,920
We don't hear about it. 
What we do hear about, though, 

950
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,720
is that Eamon is knighted at 
this tourney. 

951
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,200
So I think it's very possible. 
We don't know who Knights Eamon,

952
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,560
but it's very possible that if 
Eamon wasn't at this tourney as 

953
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,160
he was, Ryan would have been the
one to do it. 

954
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,480
And again, why not? 
This is a by this point already 

955
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,120
famous King's Garden knight. 
He's well known. 

956
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,760
He's got those aristocratic 
credentials. 

957
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,720
I don't think anyone would have 
looked astance at Ryom, who is 

958
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:34,800
now probably in his in his 30s, 
knighting this teenage Prince. 

959
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,040
It's very fitting and I would. 
Have. 

960
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,240
A little more confidence in this
estimation than I do about our 

961
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,960
prior guests, because in this 
case, it makes a lot of sense 

962
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,160
for the royal family to send the
Kingsguard who is most likely to

963
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,800
win the tournament. 
Because part of the point of 

964
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,400
sending a Kingsguard, other than
the obvious duty of the 

965
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,880
Kingsguard guarding the the 
Princess in this case, they want

966
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,760
to remind. 
The Realm. 

967
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,440
Of the strength of the 
Kingsguard. 

968
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,480
This is part of the reason to 
let them compete in the 1st 

969
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,120
place, to tell everybody, Oh 
yeah, the King's Kingsguard are 

970
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,040
they're great Knights. 
You know, that needs to be 

971
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,760
pointed out every once in a 
while, especially when there's 

972
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,520
ten years without a war or 
anything like that. 

973
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,000
They bring glory to the royal 
family and that if they're going

974
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,600
to do that, yes, I'm the guy 
who's best. 

975
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,520
So I I like this idea because 
Ryan by this time, not unlikely 

976
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,160
to have established himself as 
the best. 

977
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,440
He wasn't a legend yet, although
maybe he was, but he would have 

978
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,000
certainly been very well known 
by this point. 

979
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,760
His prowess would be known realm
wide. 

980
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,880
I mean in the North. 
They'd already heard of Loris. 

981
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,800
Tyrell in the span of books. 
So if they're hearing of Loris 

982
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,960
Tyrell the night of flowers when
he's 16, guarantee this guy in 

983
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,840
his 30s this in this era when. 
There's. 

984
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,800
Lots of talking and lots of 
tournaments and it's the the 

985
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,160
talk of the the main thing to 
talk about rather. 

986
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,440
Yeah, he's super. 
Famous. 

987
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,320
I can imagine. 
There was another tournament 

988
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,720
worthy of mention here, right? 
We have the tournament of 73 AC 

989
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,400
in Old Oak, which is of course 
the lands of the Oakharts, and 

990
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,040
this one is worthy of mention as
well, I think. 

991
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:14,520
So we hear about this 
tournament. 

992
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,440
This time only Prince Bailon 
goes up with Eamon does not go 

993
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,040
now he does officially go as a 
mystery knight. 

994
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,600
The quote UN quote the silver 
fool. 

995
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,520
So he is a mystery knight. 
It's possible that the king 

996
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,600
wouldn't have sent him with a 
King's guard or that Bailon 

997
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,600
himself didn't want to go with a
King's guard because he didn't 

998
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,320
want to sort of give the game 
away, so to speak. 

999
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,920
That being said, I don't think 
it's impossible that a 

1000
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,080
Kingsguard, and even 
specifically Ryan, may have 

1001
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,200
still gone. 
After all, we can look at 

1002
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,240
something like the mystery night
Duncan Egg Meat, who eventually 

1003
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:47,760
ends up being revealed as a 
demon, the younger Black Fire on

1004
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,040
the road. 
He's pretending to be the humble

1005
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,640
Knights for John Fiddler, and 
he's got Alan Coxshaw with him, 

1006
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,400
who is a de facto member of his 
Kingsguard, so to speak. 

1007
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:03,480
So I think it's possible that 
the King and Orbailon still 

1008
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,600
would have brought one of the 
kings guard with him even if it 

1009
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,880
wasn't going officially. 
Even if he himself was also in 

1010
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,720
disguise. 
Just to make sure that nothing 

1011
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,720
happened to the Prince. 
Just to make sure that he was 

1012
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:17,680
still kept safe even though he 
is in disguise as this mystery 

1013
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,640
knight. 
And again, in that case, I think

1014
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,320
that it's possible that Ryan was
an actual choice because this is

1015
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,320
attorney at Old Oak in the Reek.
Ryan probably knew Lord Oakhart.

1016
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,520
He's probably been to Old Oak 
before. 

1017
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,720
In fact, his brother is there. 
Ricard red wine is the one to 

1018
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,040
unhorse and subsequently Knight 
Bayon. 

1019
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:39,880
So I think it's. 
Very. 

1020
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,280
Possible that Ryan would have 
gone, and I think it's an 

1021
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,920
amusing coincidence. 
If Ryan is the one to knight 

1022
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,600
Eamon and Ricard is the one to 
knight Bayon, that would be 

1023
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,120
funny. 
Yeah, that's, I guess that's. 

1024
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,320
One point against this idea if 
he might be too famous by this 

1025
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,000
point, but that doesn't mean 
they know what he looks like 

1026
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,400
because this is an era where 
people still don't know it. 

1027
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,080
They necessarily know what he 
said it looks like because of 

1028
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,680
the nature of not having, you 
know, phones and cameras and all

1029
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,040
that stuff. 
So I also like this idea because

1030
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,360
it gives us, as another 
comparison to Barris and Selmy, 

1031
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,600
of which there are many here, 
the idea that maybe he had his 

1032
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,760
own little arson Whitebeard 
adventure. 

1033
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,040
You know, not nearly as serious 
as that, but disguising himself 

1034
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,520
to keep an eye on a younger 
member of the royal family. 

1035
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,320
And hijinks ensue, just nightly.
Things. 

1036
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,360
Yeah. 
So again, somewhat of an idyllic

1037
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:36,640
situation he's in. 
This is the most dramatic thing 

1038
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,080
that happens. 
You know, a King's Guard knight,

1039
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,400
maybe in disguise, helping a 
Prince in disguise enter a 

1040
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,880
tournament under an assumed 
name. 

1041
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,320
I mean, that's the big drama of 
the day. 

1042
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,720
It's it's it's pretty fun, but 
it's obviously not the level of,

1043
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,920
you know, the new Long Night or 
an invasion of the Squishers or 

1044
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,240
something like that. 
So let's go to a more 

1045
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,720
uncomfortable topic for the 
Kingsguard because, yeah, it's 

1046
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,560
not going to be as bad as the 
Shivers, but it's important. 

1047
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,640
It's a different kind of 
problem. 

1048
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,840
It's a lusty brother. 
In 70. 

1049
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,040
Three AC later in that year, 
after this tournament in Old 

1050
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Oak, probably Ryan had his first
personal challenge that we know 

1051
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,280
of as a Kingsguard knight, A 
problem that you definitely 

1052
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,560
can't solve with swords. 
Not the traditional kind of 

1053
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,600
enemy, something more personal 
than that. 

1054
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,280
So what happens is that Ryan. 
Redwine discovers that Luca More

1055
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,960
Strong, who is also a member of 
the Kingsguard, one of his sworn

1056
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,600
brothers had secretly quote UN 
quote, married several different

1057
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,840
women. 
We don't need to tell you all 

1058
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:41,960
that's a. 
No, no. 

1059
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,680
So tell us what happened. 
How did Ryan figure it out? 

1060
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,520
And I mean, not that having two 
wives is something that you can 

1061
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,360
really keep under wraps forever.
But yeah, there's there's 

1062
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,200
certain aspects we don't. 
Know of this and it and it leads

1063
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,160
to interesting speculation. 
Obviously we know that despite 

1064
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,240
the official vows of the 
Kingsguard, there are any number

1065
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,680
of Kingsguard Knights throughout
the history of the institution 

1066
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,160
that have taken lovers outside 
of you know, outside of their 

1067
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,040
bows. 
We hear about Barrison, for 

1068
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,160
example, he says Lewin Martel 
kept a paramour and he 

1069
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,480
absolutely knew about it. 
Aris Okar mentions that he knew 

1070
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,360
Preston Greenfield and Boris 
Blau absolutely had women that 

1071
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,400
they were sleeping with and 
obviously Aris himself is 

1072
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,880
sleeping with Arianne. 
So it's probably not something 

1073
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,720
now we don't hear about this 
necessarily before the era of 

1074
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,120
Ryan and Luca Moore. 
So I don't know if this was 

1075
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,240
happening before then, but it's 
very possible that it was. 

1076
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,840
So it probably wouldn't have 
been hard for Ryan to notice if 

1077
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Luca Moore was gone for multiple
nights without explanation or 

1078
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,080
maybe a flimsy sort of 
explanation. 

1079
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,240
After all, they're living 
together. 

1080
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,480
They're going to see each other 
constantly. 

1081
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,520
So if all of a sudden, Luca 
Moore is disappearing at odd 

1082
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,720
hours and he doesn't really have
a good reason for it, well, 

1083
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,200
yeah, Ryan's eyebrow might be 
raised a bit. 

1084
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,640
That being said, to find out 
that he was married to a few 

1085
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,800
different women, I think that 
Ryan probably may have had to 

1086
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,640
tail him a bit. 
So, you know, kind of follow him

1087
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,440
a little bit Private Eye style 
and figure out what he was 

1088
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,200
actually doing. 
But it's also possible, and it's

1089
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,640
not mutually exclusive that 
Lukemore told Ryan directly. 

1090
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,320
And why not? 
Perhaps in Lukemore's mind, this

1091
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,560
is his sworn brother. 
There's no secrets among the 

1092
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,520
sworn brothers. 
You tell each other everything 

1093
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,520
and and maybe it's Lukemore was 
operating under the the 

1094
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,480
assumption that Ryan would keep 
keep a secret. 

1095
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,800
Yeah, he might have thought 
that, obviously. 

1096
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,400
He made a mistake because Ryan 
turned out to be a snitch. 

1097
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,760
I think it's important to know, 
like you said, the. 

1098
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,800
The examples we have besides 
this one, the ones that are in 

1099
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,440
more current times, come after 
the Kingsguard has existed for 

1100
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,000
300 years. 
There's a little maybe a 

1101
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,480
corrosion of their values, but 
in this era, it's all shiny and 

1102
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,800
new and there isn't an 
acceptance of people breaking 

1103
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,000
the rules necessarily. 
And of course, this is a guy 

1104
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,080
that grew up. 
In that shiny Camelot like realm

1105
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,960
where everything's perfect and 
this just doesn't fit with that.

1106
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,240
So, you know, he had to say 
something. 

1107
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,360
So he didn't say he didn't turn 
the other way. 

1108
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,760
He he reported to the Lord 
Commander. 

1109
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,920
No, he did. 
And. 

1110
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,160
To me this is a a really 
decisive moment in terms of 

1111
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,000
looking at Ryom as a character 
and and as a multi dimensional 

1112
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,920
figure because Luca Moore Strong
isn't a stranger. 

1113
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,880
He's not a random person that 
Ryan is turning in for justice. 

1114
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,960
This is someone that Ryan has 
probably known for the better 

1115
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,640
part of 20. 
Years and has been. 

1116
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,760
Serving on the Kingsguard for 
years and years at this point. 

1117
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,240
I mean, Luca Moore came to 
notice in 55 AC at the Dragon 

1118
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,840
Pit tourney. 
That's a good almost 2 decades 

1119
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,080
before this is happening. 
So there's no way that Ryan 

1120
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,920
doesn't know Gamor personally. 
This is someone that he has been

1121
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,440
seeing every single day, 
especially since he's become a 

1122
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,000
Kingsguard. 
And again, Ryan could have said 

1123
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,960
nothing. 
Barristan doesn't seem to have 

1124
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,760
ever said anything in his own 
time to, you know, Hightower or 

1125
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,600
any of the other Kingsguard that
he served with. 

1126
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,320
That Lewin Martel had a had a 
paramour. 

1127
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,040
Aristocart didn't seem to say 
anything to Barrison or anyone 

1128
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,560
else, that Preston Greenfield 
and then Boris Brown were 

1129
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,160
sleeping with other people. 
So Ryan theoretically could have

1130
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,280
said nothing. 
He could have just kept it and 

1131
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,400
let the chips fall where they 
may, so to speak. 

1132
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,800
But he doesn't. 
He chooses to tell Charles 

1133
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,400
Morrigan, maybe guessing that 
nothing good would come of this,

1134
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,680
but doing it anyway. 
I can't imagine. 

1135
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,800
At the very least, Ryan didn't 
think that the king and queen 

1136
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,640
are not going to be pleased to 
hear this and that Lukemore's 

1137
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,440
life is going to change and it's
probably not going to be for the

1138
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,520
better. 
Yeah, it's. 

1139
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,240
A puzzle. 
Because we have to wonder what 

1140
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,320
Ryan was thinking in the moment 
when he decided to turn his 

1141
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,920
brother in. 
Was it just a matter of he felt?

1142
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,560
It was important to keep. 
The institution pure that it was

1143
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,280
his duty as a knight, as a 
knight of the Kingsguard, that 

1144
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,240
his duty to the King and the 
royal family exceeded his duty 

1145
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:15,440
to his brother. 
Or perhaps it was just because 

1146
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,320
he didn't. 
There was no precedent, and he 

1147
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,280
didn't know what the punishment 
would be. 

1148
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,760
And maybe he imagined Sir 
Lukamore would just have. 

1149
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,640
Something lesser happened to 
him. 

1150
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,360
And because the his punishment 
was rather awful. 

1151
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,800
But it my the darkest thought I 
could offer here is that if, if 

1152
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,400
Sir Ryan was secretly a bit more
cunning than we want to think or

1153
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,880
then we're aware of, because if 
he's really cunning, you 

1154
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,880
wouldn't necessarily know it by 
the by the sources, Sir Lukamar 

1155
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,600
was famous. 
He had won the Melee tournament.

1156
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,160
He was handsome and also 
probably did well in the 

1157
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,680
tournaments. 
So, you know, getting a rival 

1158
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,840
out of the way for good is a 
possible. 

1159
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,280
Angle here probably. 
Not, but if you want to think on

1160
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,880
the lowest level here, that 
would be something he could have

1161
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,960
been thinking. 
But what else do you think could

1162
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,160
have been on his mind? 
What, what would have been the 

1163
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,520
the conflict here? 
What's what's going back and 

1164
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,040
forth in his head? 
Well, and I think that. 

1165
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,600
Certainly there's there's a way,
a less harsh way maybe that we 

1166
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,640
can think about it that Ryan may
not have officially known 

1167
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,080
because to your point, there's 
not really a precedent for this 

1168
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,560
sort of thing happening. 
And he was a favorite Lukomora 

1169
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,160
of the king and queen. 
So it's possible that Ryan 

1170
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,360
thought, yeah, well, maybe he'll
be punished, but it won't be too

1171
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,200
severe. 
And the the king and queen will 

1172
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,360
take into account that they 
really like this guy and that 

1173
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,920
this really hasn't happened 
before. 

1174
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,720
So maybe it won't be too much of
A punishment. 

1175
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,600
But he still needs something 
because he did break the rules. 

1176
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:50,920
But again, this is not a world 
where this type of infraction is

1177
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,920
lightly handled. 
And this is not just he has a 

1178
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,040
single lover. 
This is multiple women that he's

1179
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,600
not has taken as lovers, but 
he's obviously unofficially 

1180
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,400
married, which you're definitely
not allowed to do as a 

1181
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,680
Kingsguard. 
And so that may have been a lot 

1182
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,680
harder to to hush up or a 
parted, but you know it. 

1183
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,960
It's interesting you mentioned 
the the darkest thought that you

1184
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,000
have is he's trying to get rid 
of a rival. 

1185
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,320
Because to me, the darkest 
thought is that Ryan knew 

1186
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,200
exactly what would happen and 
was OK with it because he 

1187
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,720
believed that the Kingsguard 
mattered more than this person, 

1188
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,080
that the institution and the 
reputation of the Kingsguard and

1189
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,280
the monarchy mattered more than 
this individual. 

1190
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:32,960
Now, why he believed that, I 
don't know. 

1191
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,120
Maybe he's trying to save his 
own skin because he doesn't want

1192
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,720
to be accused of hiding or 
hushing up an affair. 

1193
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,760
You know, maybe he thinks he's 
going to be rewarded. 

1194
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,280
But maybe, and, and again, I, I 
kind of follow this way and it's

1195
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,840
certainly not a, a generous 
thought to have. 

1196
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:52,080
Maybe Ryan genuinely believed 
the Kingsguard is all important,

1197
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,520
the Crown is all important, and 
someone who has solely the 

1198
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,080
reputation of either or both of 
those institutions, they need to

1199
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,360
be punished and it doesn't 
matter what my relationship is 

1200
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,840
to them. 
The proverbial. 

1201
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,400
True. 
Believer of sorts, Yeah. 

1202
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:11,520
Someone who is just doesn't have
any tolerance for a lessening of

1203
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,360
the rules or any sort of, Yeah, 
any sort of leeway, which might 

1204
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,640
be an important thing for us to 
consider later in his life. 

1205
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,520
We'll keep that thought in mind 
as his career advances. 

1206
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,720
One other idea in terms of just 
getting ahead would be that 

1207
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,240
maybe Lukemore was a competitor 
to be the next Lord Commander. 

1208
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,640
Eventually. 
He might have seen it that way. 

1209
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,160
Either way, Lukemore. 
Kind of dug his. 

1210
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,600
Own grave. 
And before he dug his own grave,

1211
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:43,440
we're told something very awful,
that he was gelded by his own 

1212
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,720
sworn brothers. 
Yikes, right? 

1213
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,400
Yeah, that is that. 
Is an awful. 

1214
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,280
Thought now I will give a little
bit of context. 

1215
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,160
Aris Okhart mentions this to to 
Arianne. 

1216
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,720
This is not something that 
Gildan repeats. 

1217
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,840
I don't mean to suggest that it 
didn't happen, but it's 

1218
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,560
something that we have to take 
into context. 

1219
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,360
It's possible that what Arizo 
Kart meant was that it's either 

1220
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,840
a story that's been exaggerated 
that this happened and now the 

1221
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,160
story that's come down through 
the centuries is that the actual

1222
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,000
Kings Guard brothers did it 
themselves, or that this is 

1223
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,760
supposed to be taken 
metaphorically. 

1224
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,000
In other words, the actions of 
his own brothers led to this 

1225
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,920
happening to him. 
I don't know if either of those 

1226
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,880
are what Ares Oakhart is 
supposed to have meant, but it 

1227
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,920
is important to note that that's
not something that's supported 

1228
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,720
in Fire and Blood. 
That's only coming for A Feast 

1229
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,880
for Crows. 
That being said, if this is 

1230
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:35,600
true. 
And. 

1231
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,040
Again, this is what Ares Oakhart
says happens. 

1232
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,240
This is a really, really awful 
thing to happen. 

1233
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,440
Not just that this is the 
punishment that is happening to 

1234
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,920
Luka Moore, but that his own 
sworn brothers, Ryan Redwine 

1235
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,160
included, are the ones that are 
doing this to him. 

1236
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,600
I mean think about comparison. 
It's not exactly a formal 

1237
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:56,160
comparison or or a tight 
comparison. 

1238
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,520
But think about Cersei in A 
Feast for Crows who has the blue

1239
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,160
Bard tortured or Ramsay who 
practices it's implied that he 

1240
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,280
does a similar torture to to 
Theon. 

1241
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,680
These are awful and even Cersei 
who wants to have the blue Bard 

1242
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,640
tortured thinks that it is so 
awful. 

1243
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,200
Now granted she blames Marjorie 
for this which is definitely not

1244
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,200
fair, but even she thinks it's 
awful. 

1245
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,520
So now imagine you're Ryan 
Redwine, and it's not enough 

1246
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:28,480
that you've accused this person,
but now the knife is literally 

1247
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,320
or figuratively being put in 
your hand. 

1248
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,800
And you're being told now you do
it. 

1249
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,920
Now you mutilate this person 
that you've known for the better

1250
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,840
part of two decades. 
Now you torture them. 

1251
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,240
That's got to be a harrowing 
incident to go through. 

1252
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,200
Yeah. 
And it's why. 

1253
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,920
It's really dark to consider if 
he knew that would happen and a 

1254
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,160
much different idea if he 
didn't. 

1255
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,240
And that's why we brought up the
matter of precedent, because it 

1256
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,080
is very possible he didn't know 
what sort of punishment would be

1257
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,760
inflicted here. 
He might have just thought he'd 

1258
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,000
be sent to the wall, which he 
was sent to the wall, but after 

1259
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,280
the gelding. 
So yeah, it would be horrible to

1260
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,080
witness. 
And it also provides context to 

1261
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,560
these later Kingsguard who don't
turn their brothers in because 

1262
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,760
they don't want to do that. 
Like, I don't want to geld my 

1263
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,480
brother. 
I don't have to do get anything 

1264
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,200
to do with that. 
Yeah, that's a very 

1265
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,960
straightforward thought of 
something. 

1266
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,520
If I turn him in, then I got 
yeah, I no, they'd have to 

1267
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,720
really, you know, unless they 
hate each other, then it's like,

1268
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,120
yeah, I'm getting him, you know,
that's what, And I think it just

1269
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:26,800
it. 
Speaks. 

1270
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,640
To you know, the, and you 
alluded to this a little bit 

1271
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,920
before, but it's sort of the, 
the flip side, the awful and 

1272
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,560
horrible side of the King's 
guard, which is the demand for 

1273
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,279
absolute devotion to the crown. 
Individual lives can't matter. 

1274
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:44,240
Individual relationships can't 
matter when the most important 

1275
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,399
thing is the crown and the 
reputation of the Kingsguard and

1276
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,880
I, I think it's very possible 
that Ryan was one of those 

1277
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,800
people. 
He's sort of that if we can go 

1278
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,880
back to the Maestro Eamon 
comparison, he's that man in 

1279
01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:00,720
10,000 who can put duty above 
love, who can say no, The 

1280
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,200
Kingsguard matters most, the 
Crown matters most. 

1281
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,000
I don't care if I've known you 
for 20 years. 

1282
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,640
I don't care if you're my sworn 
brother. 

1283
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,399
If you've injured those 
reputations, then you deserve 

1284
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,399
the punishment as the King 
demands. 

1285
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:18,439
Yeah, it's a A Stanis. 
Or sometimes a Ned or maybe Rob 

1286
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,439
and Rickard Karstark type 
situation. 

1287
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:24,960
George RR Martin loves to 
introduce and use these themes 

1288
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,560
with his characters and plot 
lines because it creates that 

1289
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,680
sort of interesting conflict 
that the characters have to deal

1290
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:35,479
with the downsides of honor, the
the lack of compromise while 

1291
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,840
also making the ones who suffer 
for their honor. 

1292
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,120
They're still sympathetic even 
though there's all these 

1293
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,080
downsides. 
Like I said, things that they. 

1294
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,800
Wouldn't normally do things that
they get put into between a rock

1295
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,240
and a hard place like Ned having
to choose between his daughter 

1296
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:51,960
and his honor. 
Well, he made the choice easily,

1297
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,160
but his honor was important to 
him unless his the life of his 

1298
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,320
daughter is threatened. 
So this is this is not the same 

1299
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,840
as a daughter, but they do call 
each other brothers. 

1300
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,720
So there is a sense of 
brotherhood here that he has to 

1301
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,560
violate. 
But he but on the other hand, he

1302
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,600
would have to violate his oath 
to the king. 

1303
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,920
And yeah, this guy could have 
just been that hardcore, you 

1304
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,920
know, he he might not have. 
Felt bad about. 

1305
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,520
It like you said, he might have 
well, he broke the law. 

1306
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,320
I can I don't feel bad for him. 
He, he made his own choice, you 

1307
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,280
know, or he might have been 
like, well, and you know, we, we

1308
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,800
talked. 
A a while back, I know there was

1309
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,560
the episode on AIM and the 
Dragon Knight, and this was 

1310
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,680
another point that brought Got 
brought up, you know, was AIM 

1311
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,560
and also that man in 10,000 who 
could put duty above love. 

1312
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,240
I think he was. 
I think he was someone who not 

1313
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:37,080
say he didn't love nearest, but 
clearly he prioritized his duty 

1314
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:41,160
to protect the absolutely awful 
person that Aegon the 4th was 

1315
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:47,040
above the love that he had for 
his sister later troubles. 

1316
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,400
It's possible. 
Ryan Redwine fought for the. 

1317
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,960
Crown and some of the later 
conflicts in Joharis's reign. 

1318
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,720
As usual, some of the 
Kingsguard. 

1319
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,520
Are likely to be part. 
Of these conflicts, we're not 

1320
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,880
always sure which ones, but it's
often sensible to guess that the

1321
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,120
man considered perhaps the best 
fighter amongst the Kingsguard 

1322
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:07,720
would have been one of the ones 
sent. 

1323
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,640
Now of course, this is more 
along the lines of the type of 

1324
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,560
trouble that the average King's 
Guard would want to face rather 

1325
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,200
than the Luca more the Lussy 
situation. 

1326
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,640
So this is the bit more 
straightforward in that sense. 

1327
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,800
The 4th Dornish War. 
We mentioned the third Dornish 

1328
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,800
War earlier. 
Let's talk about the the next 

1329
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:31,880
one in 83 AC now this one in. 
In a strange way, it's a little 

1330
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,040
more formally a, you know, quote
UN quote Dornish war, even 

1331
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:41,560
though it lasts a lot less time.
So we, you know, we hear about 

1332
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,920
the the 4th Dornish war as 
basically a one day war because 

1333
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,520
Morian Martel decides to invade 
the Stormlands. 

1334
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,880
But spoiler alert, it doesn't go
very well when he's bringing the

1335
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,240
Navy and the Targaryens have 
Dragons. 

1336
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:58,480
No, obviously the bulk of the 
the lion's share, Dragon's share

1337
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,200
of the fighting is done by Joe 
Harris and his sons on their 

1338
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,280
Dragons. 
But we do hear about Borman 

1339
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:08,920
Baratheon assembling a land 
force to complement this 

1340
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,360
draconic power, although it 
doesn't end up really being 

1341
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,080
used. 
So whether or not the King 

1342
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,480
decided some of his Kingsguard 
would be part of that, we don't 

1343
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:20,120
know. 
But again, I think it's not 

1344
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:22,320
illogical that that would have 
happened. 

1345
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,280
Number one, again, because of 
optics, I don't think it would 

1346
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,400
have made a lot of sense if the 
king and his two male heirs are 

1347
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:32,080
going to war and his Kingsguard 
are kicking back in King's 

1348
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,960
Landing and sharing a drink 
together. 

1349
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,680
I think there has to be at least
some of them that no, they can't

1350
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,000
literally be in the air with the
king, but symbolically they are 

1351
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,960
going to war with the king. 
And of course, there is 

1352
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,720
precedent for Kingsguard leading
attacks and leading armies 

1353
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,320
during wartime, as we see very 
notably during Robert's 

1354
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,440
Rebellion. 
So I think it's very possible 

1355
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:55,160
that Ryan Redwine was part of 
this army that Borman fought, 

1356
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:59,000
excuse me, formed in order to 
fight the Dornish if there was a

1357
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,760
land in which of course there 
wasn't. 

1358
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,160
And it is worth pointing out, 
Borman is a relative of the 

1359
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,520
royal family. 
He's not a Targaryen, to be 

1360
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,000
clear, but he is a a female 
lying relative. 

1361
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,640
So there is a way in. 
Which the? 

1362
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,560
King could have chosen to sort 
of extend that royal protection 

1363
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,320
to this extended family member, 
so to speak, by having one of 

1364
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,480
his Kingsguard with him, by 
saying I'm recognizing you as a 

1365
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:27,000
member of my extended family and
so I'm going to have my 

1366
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,160
Kingsguard protects you. 
And again, Mayim is in his early

1367
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,600
40s. 
That's certainly not too old to 

1368
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,480
be a warrior in Westeros. 
He's very much an established 

1369
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:37,040
member of the Kingsguard at this
point. 

1370
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,920
He's got that martial talent. 
So I don't think it's illogical 

1371
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,760
to assume he would have been 
with this army. 

1372
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,960
I agree If the Dornish. 
Had landed and started moving 

1373
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,080
through the storm lands. 
It's very forested, almost 

1374
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,720
jungly because it's the 
Rainwood, right? 

1375
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,960
It's so wet. 
They would have made the Dragons

1376
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,560
doing their job, would have been
a lot harder and it would have 

1377
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,480
come down to the ground troops 
and that would have been an 

1378
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:01,960
entirely different matter. 
So yeah, they would have been 

1379
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,120
prepared for that kind of 
occasion, even if it's not what 

1380
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,520
actually played out one place. 
We can. 

1381
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:14,080
Definitely identify Ryam as 
having been was in 89 AC. 

1382
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,200
The end of a very long Royal 
progress by by Joe Harris. 

1383
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,080
It ended in Old Town. 
And of course, what did they do 

1384
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,120
to celebrate? 
Lord Hightower staged a 

1385
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:26,600
tournament. 
Shocking. 

1386
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,160
If you need a celebration in 
Westeros. 

1387
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:35,200
You stage a tournament and of 
course if there's a big 

1388
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,840
tournament and it's in this era,
who's going to show up? 

1389
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,800
Well, it's going to be Ryan red 
wine. 

1390
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,320
Now we don't know everyone who 
competed, but we know that Ryan 

1391
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,160
did because he wins. 
Now I think that this is a 

1392
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,680
pretty big event. 
Obviously the high towers are 

1393
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,880
very wealthy. 
Obviously Old Town is a very 

1394
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,320
important seat. 
So I think and this is a a royal

1395
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,000
visit. 
So I think this would have been 

1396
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,760
a pretty grand event. 
This probably would have bought 

1397
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,320
brought the best and brightest 
who at least could attend to 

1398
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,080
compete and again Ryan. 
'S. 

1399
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,480
Getting up close to 50 probably 
at this point, if not past 50. 

1400
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,560
So it says a lot about his 
talent as a jouster that he's 

1401
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,680
still very easily holding his 
own even into his 50s against 

1402
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,960
presumably much younger 
competitors and still winning at

1403
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,880
this big and impressive 
tournament. 

1404
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,880
You know, there, there's a 
comparison to make in A Game of 

1405
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,680
Thrones. 
Littlefinger has to acknowledge,

1406
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,320
you know, even Littlefinger has 
to acknowledge how impressive it

1407
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,160
is that Barristan won a tourney 
at 57. 

1408
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,960
So if we have Ryan Redwine and 
he's winning attorney in his 

1409
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,160
50s, I think it also would have 
been seen as very impressive. 

1410
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,040
Yeah, it's that. 
Would really get spoken of. 

1411
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,560
And as you said, this was 
probably a huge affair because 

1412
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,680
it's an Old Town. 
We know for sure the crowds 

1413
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,400
would be huge. 
And big crowds means more 

1414
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,280
witnesses. 
More witnesses means more people

1415
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,320
telling their friends, telling 
their friends. 

1416
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,240
And this is a port city, so a 
lot of people that are getting 

1417
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,800
on ships within the next few 
weeks would tell that story to 

1418
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,440
whatever people they encountered
in the next port. 

1419
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:14,800
And the fame of Ryan Red wine 
would spread ever further the 

1420
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,440
next. 
Event that he. 

1421
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:20,160
May have been a part of there's 
another royal event here, the 

1422
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,360
Mirish Bloodbath. 
He may have accompanied the 2 

1423
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,600
Princess. 
Both Eamon and Bailon were a 

1424
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,760
part of this one and it didn't 
have a great ending, so it's a 

1425
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,000
bit sad. 
And that is something that a 

1426
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,560
King's guard has to face from 
time to time, the loss of a 

1427
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,120
royal. 
So this may be. 

1428
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,360
Another opportunity that Ryan 
may have had to go to war, even 

1429
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,000
though to Harris's reign is 
largely one of peace, there are 

1430
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,040
these individual conflicts and 
these smaller wars, and it's 

1431
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,440
very possible that Ryan would 
have fought in this. 

1432
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:54,080
Again, there are land armies, 
even though obviously Eamon and 

1433
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,560
then later Bailon are taking 
part and they've got their 

1434
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,040
Dragons, there are still land 
armies with Borman, Baratheon, 

1435
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,920
with Cameron, Tarth, with 
Corliss Valerian. 

1436
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,360
So there is definitely 
opportunity for someone who 

1437
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,120
doesn't have a dragon, like a 
member of the Kingsguard to join

1438
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,880
in the fray. 
And again, as we mentioned in 

1439
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,000
the context of the tourneys, I 
think it would be very difficult

1440
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:17,200
for the king to justify sending 
one or both of his sons to war 

1441
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,880
and not having at least one 
member of the Kingsguard with 

1442
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,720
them. 
So again, you're sending off a 

1443
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,760
member of the royal family 
without the obvious official 

1444
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,720
protection that the royal family
is supposed to have. 

1445
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:31,600
Absolutely. 
And how are you going? 

1446
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,120
To do anything about a crossbow 
bolt like sniper type situation,

1447
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:39,720
that was very unlikely, very 
unusual, not something that they

1448
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,160
may have prepared for, but it 
might have been something that 

1449
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,360
they considered in terms of how 
their operational security plan 

1450
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,160
worked. 
From that from that point on, 

1451
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,800
they may have considered 
crossbow. 

1452
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,560
Men and where one. 
Could be hidden anytime they're 

1453
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,560
standing around like, well, 
where am I to crossbow men? 

1454
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:57,960
Where's the. 
If I could take a shot from you,

1455
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,720
it may have changed how they, 
you know, thought about guarding

1456
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,280
the Princess from that point on.
Yeah, it would have been. 

1457
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,440
Really bad, right? 
They would have felt. 

1458
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:09,600
Guilty. 
And yeah, I mean, I think. 

1459
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,440
Of and I've probably. 
Mentioned this before, but 

1460
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,120
Barristan in A Dance with 
Dragons he thinks about how 

1461
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:19,840
disappointed in himself he is 
that so many kings died while he

1462
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,840
was a member of the Kingsguard 
and Princess died and he 

1463
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:26,120
couldn't see them again. 
Not because he practically could

1464
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,640
have done anything about it. 
He can't make the Harris a 

1465
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,640
second not sick, He can't make 
Eris a second not assassinated. 

1466
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,600
If he wasn't there he couldn't 
have stopped Rhaegar from being 

1467
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,200
killed by robber. 
There's nothing practically he 

1468
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,160
could have done. 
But he still feels guilty 

1469
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:46,560
because, again, the fundamental 
job of the Kingsguard is to die 

1470
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,120
for the king or the member of 
the royal family. 

1471
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,680
You're supposed to be able to 
take that bullet or in this 

1472
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,800
case, that crossbow. 
So I think that there may have 

1473
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,440
been a lot of guilt for Ryan to 
say, why is Eamon, this 

1474
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:02,040
illustrious Prince, this great 
Prince who should have been a 

1475
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,600
great king? 
Why is he dead and I'm still 

1476
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,960
alive? 
That that doesn't make any 

1477
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,000
sense. 
The the Civil Rick math isn't 

1478
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,640
mathing on that one, it's true. 
They. 

1479
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,120
Are going to. 
Hold themselves to a high 

1480
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,640
standard and if we consider 
maybe that there's some vanity 

1481
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:19,160
here a Kingsguard wouldn't want 
that on their record a stain 

1482
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:23,360
that you know a king died or a 
Prince either died while they 

1483
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,480
were there you know so that 
would be it wouldn't look good 

1484
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,080
you know and that's someone like
Ryan might really care about 

1485
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:33,360
that No I mean remember the. 
I forget the context, but 

1486
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,120
thinking about the Kingsguard 
when Daron the young dragon was 

1487
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:41,600
attacked and one of them, to his
eternal shame, surrendered while

1488
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,040
Daron died. 
That's how it's feeling is if 

1489
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,920
the king is dead and you're not 
as a member of the Kingsguard, 

1490
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,600
something is fundamentally wrong
with you in the eyes of 

1491
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,520
Westerosi. 
There may have been a second. 

1492
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,600
Shame here as well, which is 
that Prince Baelon was so 

1493
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:05,000
angered and traumatized by his 
brother's death that he. 

1494
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,480
Basically dismounted his dragon 
and went down on the ground and 

1495
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:11,680
slaughtered a lot of these 
mirror soldiers. 

1496
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,160
Didn't allow them to surrender, 
gave them no quarter. 

1497
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:17,080
If he's going down into the 
trenches like that fighting with

1498
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,960
Dark sister, which is probably 
what he did, he probably picked 

1499
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,560
up his brother's sword because 
Eamonn had Dark sister at that 

1500
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,040
point. 
He would also have probably been

1501
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,280
the heir. 
That actually ended up being 

1502
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,800
controversial. 
But in the moment that 

1503
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,600
distinction is irrelevant. 
He's the eldest Targaryen there.

1504
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,200
He's holding a sword, charging 
into battle. 

1505
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,800
If Ryan red wine is there and 
there's going to be some 

1506
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,560
Kingsguard there, and I would 
guess Ryan would is very likely 

1507
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,480
to have been one of them. 
He's got to be right beside him.

1508
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:47,400
And it that's not very honorable
to kill man in this situation. 

1509
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,960
And if he was genuinely 
honorable for honor's sake or 

1510
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,800
honor honorable for vanity's 
sake. 

1511
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:57,200
Well, think about Quentin's 
experience killing conscripts 

1512
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:02,640
beneath the walls of of Mirin or
no Youngkai and how horrible 

1513
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,120
that was for him. 
Or what's it Astiport? 

1514
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,480
I don't remember what slaver 
city it was, but it doesn't 

1515
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:07,640
matter. 
They the point is the 

1516
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,240
experience. 
He's traumatized by just killing

1517
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,200
people who basically couldn't 
fight back, and that's kind of 

1518
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:15,160
the vibe we get. 
From. 

1519
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:16,920
This event here, don't you 
think? 

1520
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,200
No, and and I think. 
That but. 

1521
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,640
Again, I, I think it's worth 
keeping in mind what is, what is

1522
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,400
Ryan's personality here? 
If he's someone who takes being 

1523
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,640
a Kingsguard so incredibly 
seriously, And I think that he 

1524
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,200
was, then it's very possible 
that he's also trying to sort of

1525
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:34,960
expiate these feelings, so to 
speak. 

1526
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,640
He's also trying to wrestle with
Bailon. 

1527
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:41,600
Lost a brother, but I lost my 
Prince, I lost my future king. 

1528
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,960
So I have to make up for that as
much as Bailon has to make up 

1529
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,720
for that. 
So it's very possible that Brian

1530
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,040
also didn't want to give any 
quarter because he feels that 

1531
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,800
loss and that shame and that 
hurt in his mind. 

1532
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,360
And so he's going to take it out
on the attackers here that he's 

1533
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:02,200
going to say, now all of you 
must be punished and must be 

1534
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:06,640
punished violently because you 
have shamed me, because you have

1535
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,520
put me in this position where 
I've lost my Prince and my 

1536
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,520
future king. 
And it's a very. 

1537
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:16,920
Loud message as well that 
everyone hears the this mirrors 

1538
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,160
bloodbath is what that's why 
it's called. 

1539
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:23,240
That is recorded. 
And at the time it must have 

1540
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:24,560
really spread the news of what 
happened. 

1541
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:29,160
And so you know, what happens if
if a Targaryen Prince is killed,

1542
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,080
this, this might be what happens
to you. 

1543
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,200
You might not have had anything 
to do with it. 

1544
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,520
But if someone in your army or 
your nationality does it 'cause,

1545
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,560
you know, these were just mirish
cell swords basically, or, or 

1546
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,480
just men paid to do this, this 
invasion. 

1547
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:48,120
Yeah, they didn't know what they
were getting into with this. 

1548
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,280
So yeah, that might have been 
part of it. 

1549
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,400
It might have been like, yeah, 
we have to make a loud response 

1550
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,360
that that people hear and fear 
us for. 

1551
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,960
Again, they got lucky. 
We have to make sure they. 

1552
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:02,280
Know that. 
We. 

1553
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,880
Every Friday were. 
Rather we meaning I gather on 

1554
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,440
Twitch with a lot of you all who
hang out with me and we play the

1555
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:14,720
game Crusader Kings 3, which is 
modified, modded for A Song of 

1556
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,760
Ice and Fire. 
It's extremely well detailed and

1557
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,600
the way it basically works is we
play a house, the Lord or lady 

1558
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,960
or king or queen, and you play 
their whole life playing. 

1559
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,880
They have personality traits, 
battle skills, intrigue skills 

1560
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,600
or lack thereof. 
They might like traveling, they 

1561
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,080
might be really religious, they 
might be gay, they might be a 

1562
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,240
dwarf, they might be a genius, 
they might be. 

1563
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,000
There's a variety of 
possibilities here. 

1564
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,560
And some of these traits can run
in the family. 

1565
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,680
And when you die, your 
character, you take over as your

1566
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,720
heir. 
So you just keep playing as the 

1567
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,000
next in line. 
And right now, as of this 

1568
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,800
recording, we're playing House 
Ozgre during the time of the 

1569
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,080
Century of Blood. 
So we also get to play in a 

1570
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,280
variety of timelines, Dragons or
no Dragons, current timeline 

1571
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,880
past. 
I definitely want to do a red 

1572
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:03,720
wine play through sometime 
because the Arbor would be a 

1573
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,280
very unique starting place, a 
spot that is hard to attack, but

1574
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,280
easy to perhaps attack from. 
And that could be fun. 

1575
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,320
Never, never done that. 
Being an extreme corner of the 

1576
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,080
map would be would be 
interesting. 

1577
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:18,200
You know what the You're the 
only. 

1578
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,120
Contribution I ever made to one 
of your game streams was and 

1579
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,880
it's the only one because I I 
could never do better than this.

1580
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,080
You're playing House house 
Valerian. 

1581
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,240
And so I decided that and Jordan
Martin in the unlikely that 

1582
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:30,840
you're watching this. 
Absolutely feel free to use this

1583
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:32,320
name. 
I thought that you had his name 

1584
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,200
one of your characters. 
Hilarion Valerian. 

1585
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,680
Oh yeah. 
That is part of the fun we have 

1586
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:42,040
to have our pun names some Some 
houses are better than others 

1587
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,200
for puns. 
Like how was he not? 

1588
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,240
He should have done that if you 
got. 

1589
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,480
Three brothers with. 
R names for house red wine. 

1590
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:54,120
How have you not named one 
Hilarian Valerian that it's it's

1591
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,680
right? 
There come. 

1592
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,920
On George we we. 
Had so much fun with Manderly. 

1593
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:03,440
It was, you know, garbage 
Manderly, Iron Manderly, magic 

1594
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:06,480
Manderly, all that. 
Some yeah rain, of course. 

1595
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:09,120
Also just infinite puns with 
House Rain. 

1596
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,720
Yeah, I remember that rhymes. 
Too you. 

1597
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:12,800
Can do the rhyme, you can do 
punting. 

1598
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,040
Rhymes or everything? 
Yeah. 

1599
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:18,280
So it's a great time at 
twitch.tv/history of Westeros 

1600
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:23,680
every Friday at 6:00 Eastern. 
Lord. 

1601
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,560
Commander A Song of Ice and Fire
gives us a lot of perspective on

1602
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:32,600
this, almost literally, because 
we have two POV's from Lord 

1603
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,800
Commanders, sort of. 
I mean, Barristan's no longer 

1604
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,680
Lord Commander when he's got 
APOV, but he kind of is, again 

1605
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,840
as Danny's. 
But he doesn't really. 

1606
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,120
There's not really a Kingsguard.
He's still called a Queen's 

1607
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,160
Guard. 
It's we'll, we'll count it. 

1608
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,080
So yeah, it's, it's works. 
It works. 

1609
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:52,800
He's still. 
And Jamie, of course, is the 

1610
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,200
other one that's more 
straightforward. 

1611
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:58,760
So while Barristan is the one 
compared to Ryan the most, it is

1612
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,280
Jamie who actually puts us in 
Ryan's boots, so to speak, 

1613
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:06,200
holding the office he held, 
literally writing in the same 

1614
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,040
white book his Lannister 
posterior placed in the same 

1615
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,480
seat. 
Quote the chair behind the. 

1616
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:15,880
Table. 
Was old black oak with cushions 

1617
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:21,560
of blanched cowhide, the leather
worn thin, worn by the Bony arse

1618
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,560
embarrassed in the bold and Sir 
Gerald Hightower Before him by 

1619
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,720
Prince Amon, the Dragon Knight, 
Sir Ryan, Red Wine and the Demon

1620
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:34,640
of Dairy, by Sir Duncan the Tall
and the pale Griffin Allen 

1621
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:38,920
Connington. 
How could the Kingslayer belong 

1622
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,800
in such exalted company? 
Yet here he was. 

1623
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,920
So it's it's reminiscent of the.
Brand quote the this list of 

1624
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:52,480
famous Knights there's no you 
know, immortal characters like 

1625
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:54,440
legendary heroes who may never 
have existed in this list. 

1626
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:59,520
It's actual Kingsguard for sure,
but it's still a wow list and 

1627
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:05,360
Jamie feels kinda unworthy. 
You know he calls them exalted. 

1628
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,600
He's not idolizing or glorifying
him like Bran did, but he still 

1629
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,440
knows he's lesser. 
I mean, he knows he he's right 

1630
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:15,720
too. 
Well, it it sort of goes back to

1631
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,400
the. 
To the the Baylor episode, the 

1632
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,000
last of the Baylor episodes 
where Ryan Redwine has by and 

1633
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,480
we'll get to this a little bit 
more in the legacy. 

1634
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:25,560
But by the time of the main 
novels, he's become this figure 

1635
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,440
that you almost can't live up 
to, that no one can really equal

1636
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:32,640
because he has reached legendary
status, even though he didn't 

1637
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,120
live that long ago, relatively 
speaking, in the history of 

1638
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,080
Westeros. 
Hey, there's the name there. 

1639
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,320
He didn't live that long ago, 
but he is a legend. 

1640
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,000
He's someone that you can't 
really equal. 

1641
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,680
You can only recognize that he 
was better than you. 

1642
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:48,560
Yeah. 
And that. 

1643
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,160
Is. 
Jamie in a nutshell. 

1644
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,000
In this scene, if she was 
younger, Jamie the. 

1645
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,080
Jamie of the. 
Past the the pre maiming Jamie, 

1646
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,800
he wouldn't have had this kind 
of reverence for the past, I 

1647
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,280
don't think. 
He wouldn't have felt the weight

1648
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:04,400
of these long light shadows. 
I think he would have compared 

1649
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,680
himself to them with a lot of 
cynicism. 

1650
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:10,560
He would have instead of 
thinking of Ryan Redwine as some

1651
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,280
great hero, he would have been 
like, yeah, that guy never had 

1652
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,320
to deal with an Aries. 
He lived in an easy time, you 

1653
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,360
know, and and I could have 
beaten him, you know, if it came

1654
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,560
to swords. 
So it would be easy for him to 

1655
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:27,160
rationalize himself as superior,
or at least not worse than, you 

1656
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:28,680
know, like, oh, he's not better 
than me. 

1657
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,960
But this is a different Jamie. 
This is a much more humble 

1658
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,400
Jamie, to be fair. 
Young Jamie. 

1659
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,360
Very young Jamie. 
Was in awe of Arthur, Dane and 

1660
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,880
Blackfish, but it was of their 
deeds in war. 

1661
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:45,280
It wasn't of their honorable 
nature or of their their 

1662
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,800
willingness to sacrifice. 
It was their skill with the 

1663
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,120
sword. 
So yeah, it's a, it's a fair 

1664
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,680
picture here, but it's not the 
total picture. 

1665
01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:00,440
Yeah, it's a golden age. 
But if it's so easy, why did no 

1666
01:29:00,440 --> 01:29:02,240
one else measure up to RYOM, 
right? 

1667
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:03,640
This is this is the standard 
comeback. 

1668
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,120
If it's that easy, then why 
didn't you do it or why did no 

1669
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,800
one else do it? 
So that's a really important 

1670
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,800
factor here as well. 
So I like the scene a lot, 

1671
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,400
especially when we're able to 
compare it to other Kingsguard. 

1672
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,960
But yes, he did become Lord 
Commander at some point. 

1673
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,560
We don't know when he may have 
been Lord Commander some by the 

1674
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,920
time of some of these prior 
events that we just discussed, 

1675
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:31,000
though not before. 
Say the was it the 4th Dornish 

1676
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,480
War, the year 83 'cause it's 84 
is the soonest he could have 

1677
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:36,960
become King Star. 
Isn't that our Lord Commander? 

1678
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,600
Isn't that right? 
That's right, that's right. 

1679
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,120
So yeah, at. 
At some point he was named Lord 

1680
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,560
Commander. 
We don't get official dates on 

1681
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:48,600
this, but worth pointing out 
it's in the roughly last two 

1682
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,160
decades of De Harris's life and 
reign. 

1683
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,600
So by this point, he's probably 
in his 40s. 

1684
01:29:54,600 --> 01:30:00,120
He's maybe in his early 50s. 
So this is not a young teenage 

1685
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,640
Ryan Redwine who's first coming 
on to the scene. 

1686
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,360
This is an older Rent Ryan. 
This is an experienced Ryan. 

1687
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,640
This is someone who has been at 
court not just for the majority 

1688
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:13,080
of his life, but also for a very
long time, just generally 

1689
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,400
speaking. 
And I think that there's a way 

1690
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,200
in which he may have been viewed
by this point as sort of the 

1691
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,600
elder statesman of the 
Kingsguard, someone who had 

1692
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:27,440
spent almost his entire adult 
life wearing a white cloak. 

1693
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:31,040
If he wasn't the longest serving
Kingsguard by this point, he 

1694
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,680
probably was one of the longest.
He was someone who had been 

1695
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,920
around for several decades, who 
had seen a lot in the court of 

1696
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,680
Jaharis the first. 
But he's someone that Jaharis 

1697
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,320
probably trusted quite a bit. 
Again, we talked about the 

1698
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,400
family aspect of that, and 
that's certainly true. 

1699
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:51,400
But also at this time, by this 
time, Ryan has been by Gaheris's

1700
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,160
side quite literally for 
decades. 

1701
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,240
There's no way that you don't 
have that sort of person serving

1702
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:02,080
you day after day, year after 
year, for decade upon decade and

1703
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:07,040
not be close to them, literally 
speaking, someone that you have 

1704
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,040
to trust because that is what 
his role is. 

1705
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,240
So I think in the same way that 
we talked about was very natural

1706
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,360
for Daharis to look to Ryan as a
member of the Kingsguard, I 

1707
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,040
think it may have felt very 
natural for Daharis to then look

1708
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:23,720
to Ryan as his Lord Commander, 
as someone who could serve in 

1709
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,600
this role as the Kingsguard 
because he had this long, long, 

1710
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,720
storied reputation behind him. 
Yeah, it it's very. 

1711
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,840
Fitting, and you wonder if he 
was a legend By this point. 

1712
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,160
You know what it's It's hard to 
pinpoint that in the real world.

1713
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,440
Like when someone is legendary, 
at what point do they achieve 

1714
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:44,520
that status? 
Is it one event that catapults 

1715
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,360
them into that, or is it a 
culmination of factors? 

1716
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:52,040
It's somewhere in between. 
With Ryan, there is a candidate 

1717
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:56,840
here for something that may have
propelled him into that last 

1718
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,560
stratosphere to that highest 
point, just a little higher than

1719
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,720
he was into from super famous 
into legendary. 

1720
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,760
I'm making up a scale here 
because of the legendary scale. 

1721
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:07,800
Yeah, the legendary. 
Scale. 

1722
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:12,160
Yeah, he's he's. 
A 6.2, yeah, but he's jumping. 

1723
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,960
He's trying to get to 7. 
That's the highest the seven. 

1724
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,200
For Kingsguard. 
That's the highest. 

1725
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,040
There you go. 
Yeah, it's a 7 point. 

1726
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,800
Scale Yeah, A7. 
Point scale so. 

1727
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,120
The year. 98 We had a a really 
famous tournament, one of the 

1728
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:27,560
most famous in in Westerosi 
history. 

1729
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,320
Tell us about that. 
No, absolutely. 

1730
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,880
So this is. 
A good candidate for the most 

1731
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:37,160
single, single most famous 
tournament in the entire history

1732
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,080
of Westeros. 
Obviously again, there's 

1733
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:42,640
different opinions on this, but 
this is the 50th anniversary 

1734
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,440
tourney, so this is the 
opportunity for Jaharis to 

1735
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:49,800
celebrate being on the throne 
for 50 years, which is a really 

1736
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:51,760
big deal even for a modern 
monarch. 

1737
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,000
That is a very long range, not 
to mention someone who lives in 

1738
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,480
a world where by your 60s you're
considered an old an old man. 

1739
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:03,120
So Gaharis takes us this 
tournament in 90 AC to celebrate

1740
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,240
being on the throne for 50 
years. 

1741
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:12,080
And Ryan is obviously competing.
And So what happens is he wins 

1742
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,680
against Clement Craig. 
But he doesn't just win in terms

1743
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,960
of a tilt. 
They go against each other 30 

1744
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,240
times. 
They break 30 lances against 

1745
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:24,800
each other before Gaharis 
declares them Co champions. 

1746
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:27,280
That is such a wild. 
Number. 

1747
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:33,520
And the best we can do, because 
we've at times compared jousting

1748
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:37,080
to sports. 
That's our one of our best ways 

1749
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,760
to compare it, I think. 
What is we? 

1750
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,840
We tried to come up. 
With some ideas of what the 

1751
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:46,160
comparison to 30 Lance breakings
in a tournament would be, what's

1752
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,960
the equivalent in, say, 
basketball? 

1753
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,440
What do you think? 
Well it well but. 

1754
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,000
So. 
Context for this, I don't know a

1755
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,720
lot about sports. 
It may or may not surprise you 

1756
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,160
to find that out, but someone 
who does know a lot about sports

1757
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:03,320
is my darling husband. 
So I had asked him, you know, 

1758
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,880
what makes the most sense? 
What is a good comparison here? 

1759
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,400
Not to say, you know, literally 
speaking. 

1760
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,680
So obviously we don't have a 
direct comparison here in terms 

1761
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,080
of what happened, but I, I was 
sort of getting in terms of 

1762
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,800
sentiment, like what would be 
similar in terms of feeling if 

1763
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,240
you're a Westerosi watching this
happen, what's a good modern day

1764
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:26,480
sports comparison? 
So I'm just going to read 

1765
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:30,040
verbatim, literally put this 
what my husband said. 

1766
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,200
And again, this is American 
basketball, So very specific 

1767
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:37,880
reference here, but he'd said 
Jordan's 63 pointers in game one

1768
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:42,440
of the 1992 Finals, the Spurs 
going approximately 18 for 20 in

1769
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:45,040
the first quarter of a 2014 
Finals game. 

1770
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:50,960
And LeBron, LeBron James scoring
around 45 against Detroit in 

1771
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,560
2007 to bring Cleveland to the 
Finals. 

1772
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,680
Again, I'm not a sports expert. 
You may or may not agree with 

1773
01:34:57,680 --> 01:34:59,920
those. 
But I think that's a good way 

1774
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:03,360
just for us to get kind of the 
sentiment here to say what would

1775
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:07,360
have felt like in terms of in 
terms of seeing this happen. 

1776
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:09,200
That's a great point. 
Yeah, a great way to. 

1777
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,520
Compare it, I think like if you 
all, by the way, listening, have

1778
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,360
ideas for what you would compare
this to in a sport that you're 

1779
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:16,840
familiar with or something 
besides sport. 

1780
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,360
And while we're at it, go ahead 
and hit us up, drop a comment, 

1781
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,680
send an e-mail, what have you. 
Boxing comes to mind like a 

1782
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,960
really long boxing match, one 
that just maybe before the era 

1783
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:29,520
where they had time limits and 
you just some 30 rounds and 

1784
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,080
there's like some old time 
boxing match that went 30 rounds

1785
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:33,120
or something like that. 
I don't know. 

1786
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:37,320
We're gonna have to look deeper 
into this one, but for now and 

1787
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:42,000
turning in terms of opponent, 
this guy, Clement Kreb, he stood

1788
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:45,080
toe to toe with Ryan Redwine. 
What do we know about this guy? 

1789
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:48,200
Obviously, he's someone that. 
Nimble the crab in A Feast for 

1790
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,400
Crows, thinks is is a big hero 
of his. 

1791
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:51,960
Obviously, they're from the same
family. 

1792
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:56,600
We don't know very much about 
Clement's reputation as a King's

1793
01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:00,800
guard, but I think it's probably
fair to say that he was younger 

1794
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,560
than Ryan. 
We certainly don't hear about 

1795
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,200
him beforehand. 
We don't hear about him with 

1796
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:09,520
Robin Shaw, you know, joining 
the Kingsguard with Ryan Redwin.

1797
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,200
So I think it's probably fair to
say that he's younger, maybe 

1798
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:17,280
even substantially younger. 
So this is even more impressive.

1799
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:22,440
Ryan is probably in his 60s at 
this point and yet he is going 

1800
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:28,200
not just well against Clement 
Crab, he's going spectacularly 

1801
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,800
well for. 
For part of comparison, Jamie 

1802
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,800
Laster and Jorah Mormont 
normally break 9 lances against 

1803
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,280
each other before Robert says 
you know I'm going to give the 

1804
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,600
victory to to Jorah. 
Barristan thinks that Rhaegar 

1805
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:45,560
did exceptionally well because 
he broke 12 lances against 

1806
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,720
Arthur Dean. 
Now imagine seeing double or 

1807
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:54,080
triple that against someone or 
by someone who is considered old

1808
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:58,320
by western Aussie standards. 
In a very dangerous sport, I 

1809
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,560
think this would have been 
nothing short of amazing. 

1810
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,200
Just the most amazing athletics 
you've ever seen. 

1811
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,560
Yeah, I agree. 
The the crowd. 

1812
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:12,920
Must have been unable to tell 
the story in a way that people 

1813
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,320
wouldn't have thought they were 
exaggerating. 

1814
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,040
It's one of those times where 
you don't have to exaggerate. 

1815
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,400
Well, maybe maybe this is an 
exaggeration actually, but this 

1816
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,960
is recorded by the maestro, so 
it probably is accurate. 

1817
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,000
But it's the kind of story when 
you hear it you'd be like, 

1818
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:26,760
surely you're exaggerating. 
Surely, which is an example we 

1819
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:31,040
get in the hedge night, right? 
We have the dunk with with Sir. 

1820
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:32,840
Arlen, you know. 
The story that Sir Arlen always 

1821
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,240
tells is, well, I broke 7 lances
against the Prince of 

1822
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:37,760
Dragonstone and that's pretty 
amazing. 

1823
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,680
And Dunk says this and it's, 
it's Baylor saying look, but the

1824
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,720
and, and The thing is, Baylor 
says, look, it's nothing to be 

1825
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:48,200
to sneeze at or to be ashamed of
that you broke 4 lances against 

1826
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:49,680
me. 
That's really good. 

1827
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:54,040
Arlen is a, a little headset 
from nowhere and I'm, I'm a 

1828
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:55,760
Prince. 
I'm, I'm really good. 

1829
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,640
So the fact that he still broke 
4 lances, that's something to be

1830
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,560
proud of. 
Here we've got someone who is 

1831
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:06,720
doing that 30 times. 
So we. 

1832
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,880
Acknowledge. 
That it's an amazing feat to do 

1833
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,240
at this at this age. 
But he might have been thinking 

1834
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:16,920
about how this was the beginning
of the twilight of his career, 

1835
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,600
of even even he would have to 
slow down eventually. 

1836
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,560
And absolutely. 
And I think. 

1837
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:27,720
That, you know, there's a way in
which Ryan may have seen this as

1838
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,000
kind of his last hurrah. 
You know, whether or not he knew

1839
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:33,880
how long he was going to live. 
We know in reality he's got 

1840
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:38,080
about 7 years left to live. 
He may not have known exactly 

1841
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,520
how much time he had, but he 
certainly probably would have 

1842
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:44,160
felt that he was older again. 
60s is considered an. 

1843
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:46,160
Old age. 
In Westeros, not to say people 

1844
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,960
can't live longer than that, 
obviously someone like Walter 

1845
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:52,400
Frey has lived long past that. 
But for someone like Ryan 

1846
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,600
Redwine, he may have felt this 
is this is sort of it. 

1847
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:59,640
I don't have much longer to go. 
So let me go out with a bang, 

1848
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:01,600
Let me go out with a blaze of 
glory. 

1849
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:06,360
I'm going to do my best possible
job because this is probably 

1850
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:07,840
going to be my last big 
tournament. 

1851
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:11,080
This is my last hurrah. 
This is my last great showing. 

1852
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:14,720
Let me go off on a high note 
rather than sort of fall into 

1853
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,800
obscurity. 
There was one more. 

1854
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:21,760
Chapter of his career here that 
was less about being a knight, 

1855
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:26,080
but in ways was still about 
being a knight because he did 

1856
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:29,040
this job like a knight and it's 
a job that you shouldn't do like

1857
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:32,280
a knight, and that is Hand of 
the King. 

1858
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:39,200
His fame wasn't quite complete, 
His legend. 

1859
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:41,760
Wasn't quite complete. 
Neither was his story. 

1860
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:46,440
Most of all, he had one big 
thing left after the tournament.

1861
01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:50,280
Only two weeks later, 
Septenbarth died, and King 

1862
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,440
Jairus immediately turned to Sir
Ryan to be his new hand. 

1863
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,000
He's an older man. 
Had they had been around each 

1864
01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:00,760
other a long time, The idea of a
Kingsguard, well, Lord Commander

1865
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:04,000
being Hand isn't new to us as 
readers of the books, but we've 

1866
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,760
seen several examples of it. 
But this was 200 years prior to 

1867
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,560
the books, and it was new then. 
It it is an interesting 

1868
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:15,800
question. 
As to why Jairus turn to Ryom of

1869
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,880
all people to serve to serve as 
his hand, yeah we don't hear 

1870
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,960
about Ryom holding any other 
post into Harris's government 

1871
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:27,080
other than a King's Guard and 
then eventually Lord Commander. 

1872
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:32,840
It's not like he was in a semi 
political or openly political or

1873
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:37,200
diplomatic role before. 
He's suddenly elevated to the 

1874
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:41,120
highest office that the not 
anyone who's not the King can 

1875
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,000
have in Westeros. 
It's also interesting because 

1876
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,440
Jaharis doesn't look to his son 
Bailon. 

1877
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:52,760
Even though Bailon is about 40. 
He's obviously Jaharis's 

1878
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:56,120
preferred heir so it's it's a 
little strange that he would 

1879
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:59,640
look to Ryom and not someone 
that is going to take over for 

1880
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:01,960
him. 
Now to be fair, maybe he's 

1881
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,640
thinking well the last time 
there was a Targaryen who named 

1882
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:08,760
another Targaryen Hand it was my
father Amis who named Mangor and

1883
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:12,560
that went very poorly. 
It's also possible that Jaharis 

1884
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:17,480
didn't want to be reminded that 
his own time was probably not 

1885
01:41:17,480 --> 01:41:21,320
very long. 
Bailon is obviously of a younger

1886
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:23,280
generation than the king 
himself. 

1887
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,040
So if he names Bailon, it's not 
that Bailon is an incredible 

1888
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,520
young man, but he's young for 
Jeharis. 

1889
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,880
And that might have made the 
king feel that his end was even 

1890
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:37,520
sooner, that he's not so much 
appointing a new hand as he is 

1891
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,160
almost giving up some of his 
authority, almost stepping back 

1892
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,880
a step from the role as king. 
Yeah. 

1893
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:46,400
I mean this is. 
A man who would definitely prove

1894
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,920
it, his loyalty for decades on 
the Kingsguard, but also his 

1895
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,640
family's service before that, 
that counts among Westerosi. 

1896
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:58,160
You know, the the recent deeds 
of house red wine kind of all 

1897
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:01,640
count for all the members of it.
You know, that's the kind of the

1898
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,440
way Westeros works. 
So it's it's a lot that was 

1899
01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:08,280
going for him, but that isn't 
necessarily enough, right? 

1900
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,120
That doesn't mean you're going 
to be a good hand of the King. 

1901
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:13,600
It's an entirely different job, 
so. 

1902
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,120
What do you what? 
Was Jairus thinking, did he just

1903
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:21,040
not see perceive the issue here 
properly, not maybe he just 

1904
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:24,600
misread the situation or maybe 
he was just overvaluing other 

1905
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,720
qualities that Ryan had. 
What do we think? 

1906
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:28,840
I think there may have been 
several factors going. 

1907
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:33,080
Into it and maybe sort of a 
perfect storm of of sorts of of 

1908
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,160
factors going into the choice of
Ryan. 

1909
01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:38,920
Number one, again, we've, we've 
said this several times and it's

1910
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:42,080
worth repeating. 
Ryan had been at court basically

1911
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:45,280
from the moment Jaharis started 
to rule in his own right. 

1912
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:50,680
And he's probably by this time 
one of the few people left at 

1913
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:54,800
court who can remember young 
Jaharis, who can remember 

1914
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:59,400
teenager, young adult Jaharis. 
And I think Jaharis may have set

1915
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,400
a store by that. 
This is someone that has known 

1916
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,040
him, has known him for a very 
long time. 

1917
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,080
It's an obvious. 
Point but worth. 

1918
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,400
Repeating that, the role of the 
Kingsguard is to be around the 

1919
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:16,480
king and the royal family 24/7. 
So you're with the king at his 

1920
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:19,400
most intimate moments. 
You're with the king every 

1921
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:24,880
single hour of every single day.
There's no way for Ryan not to 

1922
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:28,560
learn about Jeharis the person 
as much as Jeharis the monarch 

1923
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:33,240
over the course of, you know, 
almost 40 years on the 

1924
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,800
Kingsguard by the time he's 
being named hand the king. 

1925
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:39,240
So maybe Jaharis is thinking, 
this is someone I can trust. 

1926
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:43,120
This is someone who knows me. 
This is someone who can make me 

1927
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:48,000
be like that Barth, someone like
my friend Barth who gets me, who

1928
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,160
can sort of read my mind and 
knows what I want to happen and 

1929
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:54,760
can make it happen. 
And I think that Jaharis may 

1930
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:57,560
have also felt Ryan's seen a 
lot. 

1931
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:59,680
He's not has seen a Luca more 
strong incident. 

1932
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:03,720
He's also seen, you know, the 
the Serra incident, he's seen 

1933
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,880
the viscera incident, he's seen 
all this. 

1934
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:07,800
And he's not turned away from 
the royal family. 

1935
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,400
He's not conspired against the 
royal family. 

1936
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:13,240
He's remained devotedly loyal. 
So maybe Cajaris is thinking, 

1937
01:44:13,480 --> 01:44:16,360
this is who I need. 
This is someone who has seen it 

1938
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:20,200
all with House Targaryen, has 
been with us for years and years

1939
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,320
and years. 
He has the stellar reputation as

1940
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,280
a knight. 
This is somebody I can trust to 

1941
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:28,640
help me do my job and his 
popularity. 

1942
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:29,960
Probably. 
Mattered a bit here too, right? 

1943
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:33,960
That that might be something 
Jaharis overvalued or thought 

1944
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:36,280
would lend more credibility to 
the office. 

1945
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,680
Maybe he thought a lot of the 
decisions would still come from 

1946
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,560
him or maybe he just thought 
Ryan would be a better decision 

1947
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:43,520
maker. 
Either way, that seems to be a 

1948
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,960
big factor his popularity. 
Wouldn't you agree? 

1949
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,680
I I I do I think that. 
You know, it's not like Jaharis 

1950
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,640
was just thinking, oh, who's the
best jouster yet? 

1951
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,080
They're going to be a good hand.
So I should pick Ryan Redwine. 

1952
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:58,920
I think it's, it's more going to
Ryan being seen as a model of 

1953
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,160
chivalry. 
He's a model of the, the quote 

1954
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:04,560
UN quote, the perfect knight. 
This, the, this hero of chivalry

1955
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,560
that can be trusted. 
And and so maybe Jairus is 

1956
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:11,560
thinking, well, he's got the 
love of the people. 

1957
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,200
Everyone likes him. 
He's been around for a long 

1958
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,640
time. 
So of course he's going to be a 

1959
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:20,880
capable leader because he's got 
this base of popularity, but 

1960
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,040
he's not himself, got personal 
ambition. 

1961
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:26,520
He's got nothing to work for 
because, well, he's a 

1962
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,800
Kingsguard. 
So he has no lands or fortunes 

1963
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:33,200
or family that he's gonna be 
able to promote in this office. 

1964
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:36,440
So maybe Taharis is thinking 
he's kind of the the best of all

1965
01:45:36,440 --> 01:45:39,280
worlds. 
He's officially neutral, but he 

1966
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:42,240
knows me so well. 
Yeah, I can see that. 

1967
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:49,040
Absolutely on hand of the King, 
whatever the reason. 

1968
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,400
That Jaharis. 
Chose Ryan to be hand. 

1969
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,720
It would be a short lived 
tenure. 

1970
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:55,680
It was. 
Yeah. 

1971
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:57,920
Didn't last very long at all. 
Tell us what happened there. 

1972
01:45:58,440 --> 01:45:59,720
Yeah. 
So I mean. 

1973
01:45:59,960 --> 01:46:06,000
Literally, it's barely a year in
office and Jaharis, not just 

1974
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,480
Ryan, doesn't quit. 
Jaharis removes him and in fact 

1975
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:12,560
puts in Prince Bailon. 
You know, as as he he might have

1976
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:15,680
done, but like we talked about 
didn't when he first named Ryan.

1977
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,240
Here's a really curious thing 
and it was one of the 

1978
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,280
frustrating aspects for me of 
Fire and Blood. 

1979
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:26,320
We get no details as to why Ryan
Redwine is such a bad hand. 

1980
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:31,360
He's just told that he's bad. 
The most that we can get is 

1981
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:34,800
Grand Maester Allar's review of 
him, which is to say some 

1982
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,000
problems could not be solved by 
hitting them with a stick. 

1983
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:39,720
But we don't know what that 
means practically. 

1984
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,480
What? 
What did Ryan Redwine do as hand

1985
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,920
that made the Grand Maester have
that opinion of him? 

1986
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,160
Unfortunately, we just really 
don't know. 

1987
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,160
I mean, it sounds like he. 
Walked around hitting things 

1988
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:55,920
with sticks. 
That that would get you removed 

1989
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,080
from office. 
Quickly, like what happened to 

1990
01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:59,920
this guy, he seemed to have lost
it. 

1991
01:46:59,960 --> 01:47:01,480
Teddy. 
He took the Teddy Roosevelt. 

1992
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:04,960
Advice, you know, but he just. 
But he doesn't literally carried

1993
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,480
a big stick. 
Yeah, he just whacked people. 

1994
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,280
Council meetings are like, well,
I'm not sure if we can 

1995
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,840
accomplish whack, you know, like
like. 

1996
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:13,880
I'd like to. 
Challenge you? 

1997
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,480
Whack. 
Yeah, So the King's, he was like

1998
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:18,040
you, we can't do business like 
that. 

1999
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,680
It it it seriously, though, it 
does kind of imply a lack of 

2000
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,160
subtlety, a man who maybe 
doesn't understand nuance. 

2001
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:26,760
Maybe he was rigid. 
If the Lukamar, the lusty 

2002
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:32,040
situation is an example, Maybe 
he just yeah, he just couldn't 

2003
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,640
bend like a Stannis, like 
politics requires flexibility. 

2004
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:38,480
And maybe he wasn't. 
And that can be good for a 

2005
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:40,880
Kingsguard, but it's not good 
for this office. 

2006
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:42,160
So. 
Yeah. 

2007
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,240
So what happened next? 
Well, so I you know. 

2008
01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,400
Start thinking what could have 
happened. 

2009
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,160
Obviously we don't have details 
of what he was exactly doing 

2010
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:54,400
wrong, but I think there's a few
factors to Ryan Redwine that may

2011
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:57,560
hint at what was going on or 
what he was doing wrong. 

2012
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:01,440
The opposite hand of the King is
not an easy office. 

2013
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:06,000
You are king in all but name. 
You are there to rule literally 

2014
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:09,080
in the King's name. 
You are the first executive 

2015
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,400
officer after the king. 
You are there to make sure that 

2016
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:15,880
what the king wants gets done. 
It's not an easy role even for 

2017
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:19,040
highborn W Rossi aristocrats 
trained for political 

2018
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:21,040
leadership. 
Think of Ned. 

2019
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:24,160
Ned is a very capable Lord of 
Winterfell. 

2020
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:27,920
Ned is not doing anything wrong 
as Lord of Winterfell, but he 

2021
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:31,040
fails as Hand of the King in 
almost every way. 

2022
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:34,800
Some notable exceptions, but he 
fails because he fundamentally 

2023
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,600
misunderstands the office. 
It's not because he's stupid or 

2024
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:42,640
he's a bad Lord, he just doesn't
get what it means to be Hand of 

2025
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,920
the King in most of what he 
does. 

2026
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:47,720
And now think of someone like 
Ryan Redwine. 

2027
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,600
He's coming into this office 
with way less experience than 

2028
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:55,040
Ned at the very least. 
No, Ned is not raised to rule, 

2029
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:58,120
but he is raised to be his 
brother's right hand man. 

2030
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:01,520
He is getting a political 
education right alongside Robert

2031
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:06,240
from John Aaron Ryan. 
He's probably not getting that. 

2032
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:08,880
Again, we mentioned this, he's 
the third son. 

2033
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,440
He's not the heir and he's not 
the spare. 

2034
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:15,440
So there's no universe probably 
in which he's being raised to 

2035
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:19,880
have much of A political role. 
And even if he had even whatever

2036
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:23,440
education he might have had as a
young man, as a young scion of 

2037
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:27,880
house red wine, he's been in the
Kingsguard since he was maybe in

2038
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:31,560
his early 20s. 
So he's been dedicating himself 

2039
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:36,960
to this role as royal guard much
longer than he's had any kind of

2040
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,920
formal education or training. 
The doubt of the Kingsguard, and

2041
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,240
I've said this many times in 
this episode, and I'm going to 

2042
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:46,680
keep saying it, the fundamental 
job of the Kingsguard is to 

2043
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:50,000
defend the king, to obey the 
king, to serve the king, and to 

2044
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:53,320
die for the king. 
The job of the Kingsguard is 

2045
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,440
not, at least in the job 
description, to get a political 

2046
01:49:56,440 --> 01:49:59,480
education, to serve as the 
King's counselor, to be one of 

2047
01:49:59,480 --> 01:50:03,280
his officers of state. 
For better or worse, your job is

2048
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:08,680
to obey and die, not to think. 
And so the same qualifications, 

2049
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:13,880
I think that may have made Ryom 
so natural, so as a choice, as a

2050
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:18,040
King's guard, so neutral, so 
independent of factionalism, may

2051
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:22,120
have made him a very unsavvy 
individual, someone who's not 

2052
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:25,080
really aware of how he needs to 
operate as hand. 

2053
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,240
Yeah, it's a good theory. 
It's it's definitely the way I 

2054
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,280
lean there. 
I like your point about Ned just

2055
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:34,200
fundamentally misunderstanding 
the way Hand of the King works 

2056
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:35,680
and and what what it's supposed 
to be. 

2057
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:37,440
And that fits really well here 
too. 

2058
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:41,160
I I wonder if Jahari's maybe 
didn't think. 

2059
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:44,680
Well, he's observed the office 
of Hand of the King for so long,

2060
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:46,040
it may be some of it rubbed off 
on him. 

2061
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:48,880
But yeah, it didn't. 
No, I mean you can. 

2062
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:51,560
Compare him maybe? 
To someone like Ariohota, you 

2063
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:53,480
know, the the popular joke in 
the Phantom is to call him the 

2064
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:55,040
camera that rides. 
And I do think there's more 

2065
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:59,000
interesting aspects to him. 
But fundamentally, what is 

2066
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:03,880
Ario's creed to himself? 
It's to serve, protect, obey. 

2067
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,080
That's what he thinks he should 
be doing. 

2068
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:09,800
It's not to think for Doran, 
it's not to advise Doran what to

2069
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:11,960
do. 
It's not to say, well, actually 

2070
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:15,000
I read over these memos and 
here's where I think here's my 

2071
01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:17,440
analysis of it. 
It's sur protecto Bay. 

2072
01:51:17,480 --> 01:51:20,080
That's what Ryan is also being 
raised to do as a King's Guard. 

2073
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,880
Hotot was like 1/6. 
Son, wasn't he some some absurd 

2074
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,200
number really up there? 
Yeah, that's a good comparison, 

2075
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:28,000
though. 
And the royal family was 

2076
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,880
different at this point, like 
when we started this episode or 

2077
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,160
when Jerry became king. 
Basically, this is the era where

2078
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:36,240
Ryan was coming up. 
That's when he was a Squire. 

2079
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:40,920
Now there's been scandals, 
there's been Alison has passed, 

2080
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,040
a lot of the children are are 
gone, a lot of them are dead. 

2081
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:46,480
It's just a different realm. 
At this point. 

2082
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:51,640
Joharis has lost Septon Barth. 
His health is down, so we should

2083
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,320
maybe reconsider that. 
This is not the same realm 

2084
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:55,280
anymore. 
This is not the same royal 

2085
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:56,920
family. 
It's it's a lot different. 

2086
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:02,360
No, it's it's not I. 
Mean to Harris will be bedridden

2087
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:05,400
for the last years of his life. 
We don't know if that started at

2088
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:07,640
this point. 
We don't know the exact moment 

2089
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:10,000
where that started. 
But I think it's probably fair 

2090
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,800
to say that he was at least in 
declining health by this time. 

2091
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:19,040
So it's very possible that he 
may have anticipated relying 

2092
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,440
more on Ryom. 
Not in a selfish way that we see

2093
01:52:22,440 --> 01:52:24,680
with Robert in the main novels 
where he says, well, I'm going 

2094
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:28,000
to go off and do whatever I want
and you can figure out the 

2095
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,680
office for me. 
But more in the way of I 

2096
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:33,520
physically can't. 
I don't have the energy anymore.

2097
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:35,840
I don't have the capability 
anymore. 

2098
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,480
You've got to take over because 
I simply can. 

2099
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:42,840
And so on top of the pressure of
understanding the offspand of 

2100
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:46,240
the king, there may have been 
this added pressure to perform 

2101
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:49,760
as king and all but name. 
And again, we're talking about 

2102
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:52,320
someone who's not raised to do 
this. 

2103
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:56,800
He's not being educated to do 
this, and nor is he himself 

2104
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,080
young. 
Again, he's not ancient by 

2105
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:02,480
Westerosi standards, but he's 
certainly old by Westerosi 

2106
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:04,640
standards. 
So he himself is not the young, 

2107
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:08,240
vigorous man he once was. 
Yeah, it's a bit. 

2108
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:10,480
Old for a career change, you 
could say. 

2109
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:13,560
It's a very interesting 
perspective because we have, 

2110
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:18,280
even though we have limited 
information on what made him an 

2111
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:21,960
ineffective hand, we have a lot 
of examples of hands of the 

2112
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,800
King, hands of the Queen. 
We just talked about Ned Stark. 

2113
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:27,280
Tyrion is acting Hand for a 
while. 

2114
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,240
We have Davos, who we'll mention
in a minute. 

2115
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:35,480
Again, I'm forgetting some 
others, but the most obvious is 

2116
01:53:35,480 --> 01:53:37,360
Barristan Selmy in A Dance with 
Dragons, right? 

2117
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:39,480
No, absolutely. 
I mean they. 

2118
01:53:39,480 --> 01:53:40,800
Are. 
Very direct parallels. 

2119
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,760
Not only because they're 
probably of an age, Yeah. 

2120
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:47,360
In other words, Ryan is probably
about the age Barristan is in 

2121
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,200
the in the main novels and in 
Dance Dragons. 

2122
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:53,600
But also, once Danny flies off 
on Drogon and his star is 

2123
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:57,840
deposed by Barristan, Barristan 
appoints himself Hand of the 

2124
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:00,320
Queen. 
But he's not doing it because 

2125
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,000
he's always been super 
ambitious. 

2126
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,400
And now I get to have all the 
political power to myself. 

2127
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:07,800
No, in fact, he thinks to 
himself, I am no Hand. 

2128
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:10,560
I am only a simple knight, the 
Queen's protector. 

2129
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,600
I never wanted this. 
He approves himself Hand 

2130
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,920
because, as he fully admits, 
there's no one else for the job.

2131
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,320
No one else can do that role 
except him. 

2132
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:21,960
He's the last one left, so to 
speak. 

2133
01:54:22,360 --> 01:54:26,200
No granted he has a little bit 
of advantage that Ryan probably 

2134
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:29,680
didn't in that he's got 
Missandei who is very clever and

2135
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:33,760
is able to advise him. 
And his rule is probably not 

2136
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,480
going to be very long. 
And it's certainly going to be 

2137
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,680
dominated by the one thing 
Barrison can do very well, which

2138
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:42,160
is war. 
He's going to go out and fight 

2139
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:47,200
against the young IE. 
So in in a strange way, the fact

2140
01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:50,240
that there's so much peace in 
Jairus reign, it's actually a 

2141
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:53,640
bit of a drawback for Ryan 
Redwine because he can't do the 

2142
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:56,560
one thing that he may have been 
capable of doing with his 

2143
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:59,840
leading men in war. 
That's. 

2144
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:02,640
True now. 
Unless he just outright 

2145
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:06,800
embarrassed himself in a very 
public way, maybe they were able

2146
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:10,920
to just slide out of this 
situation because the role was 

2147
01:55:10,920 --> 01:55:11,840
handed. 
Over to Prince. 

2148
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:16,720
Balon and that's and that's not 
shameful to have the heir to the

2149
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:20,600
throne, which he was by that 
time named in your place. 

2150
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:24,560
I mean, that's the one person 
that's above you rank wise, 

2151
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,160
basically. 
So it's a good way for him to be

2152
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:31,160
like, yeah, there's no pride 
issue here or minimal pride 

2153
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:32,600
issue. 
He's older. 

2154
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:35,640
You know, there's a lot of it's 
a stepping down, right? 

2155
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:38,800
You can they can paint it in a 
way that's not so bad. 

2156
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,720
He wasn't actively ambitious. 
He wasn't forced out by 

2157
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:44,600
political, you know, 
machinations. 

2158
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:46,520
It's just he's back. 
He gets to go. 

2159
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:48,880
Back home where? 
He's, well, he was home. 

2160
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:50,840
He's already home. 
Red Keep has been his home for 

2161
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:53,240
how long now? 
50 years. 

2162
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:57,920
So he gets to gets to just kind 
of retire in the role that he's 

2163
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:59,680
supposed to retire in. 
Yeah. 

2164
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:03,320
I think of it as sort of like. 
Almost a nicer way of what 

2165
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:07,200
Cersei tried to do with 
Barristan in it and and the Game

2166
01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:10,320
of Thrones where she says, you 
know, well, you're older and 

2167
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:12,800
you've served a very long time 
and it's been very honorable and

2168
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,880
we've loved having you. 
Now we're gonna have you retire.

2169
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:19,520
Now, obviously that does not fly
with Barristan because you don't

2170
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,320
retire from the Kingsguard. 
You serve for life. 

2171
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:25,160
You die when the king is when 
the king dies or the seven 

2172
01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:27,600
decide you die. 
This is a little bit easier, 

2173
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:30,320
though, because you can have a 
hand resign and it's not 

2174
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:35,040
considered a shameful act or a 
crazy act to to witness. 

2175
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:37,560
So I think maybe it may have 
been something along the lines 

2176
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,720
of, well, Ryan, you've served 
very well, even though we all 

2177
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:43,600
know you haven't and we all 
respect what you've. 

2178
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:44,440
Done. 
And you're. 

2179
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:47,400
Such an institution and we've 
really appreciated you having 

2180
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:51,040
you, but we know that you're 
older and we want you to be able

2181
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:54,000
to serve out your years in the 
honorable position that you've 

2182
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:55,920
always had. 
And I think everyone would have 

2183
01:56:55,920 --> 01:57:00,000
been fine with that. 
Last years. 

2184
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:05,440
Ryan actually outlived Jerries. 
He died in one O 3 and that 

2185
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:09,640
would be yet another just big 
milestone, something he lived 

2186
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:11,720
through. 
He's an older man and he's seen 

2187
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:14,600
the entirety of Jairus's career 
basically. 

2188
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:19,160
And that's as we talked about 
the longest reign any king had 

2189
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:21,840
so or will have. 
And I don't know if Ryan 

2190
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,800
realized that at the time, 
probably considered that this 

2191
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:28,280
would be hard to top in general.
It would be a big deal. 

2192
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:29,560
How would he have felt, you 
think? 

2193
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:31,680
Not just personally, but 
professionally? 

2194
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:35,440
I mean, I think it would have. 
Been pretty devastating for him.

2195
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:39,160
You know, we we talked about 
before this idea of the 

2196
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:42,240
Kingsguard and specifically 
embodied embarrassed in of the 

2197
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:46,480
sadness and shame and feeling a 
failure for a Kingsguard to 

2198
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:49,440
outlive his king again. 
There's nothing that Ryan 

2199
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,240
practically could have done to 
stop Saharis from dying. 

2200
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:55,480
Saharis is 69 years old and in 
bad health at the end of his 

2201
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:57,520
life. 
There's not anything Ryan can do

2202
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:01,720
to save him from dying a natural
death, but he's still going to 

2203
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:03,360
feel that. 
He's still going to think, why 

2204
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:06,480
am I alive and the king is dead?
I should have died for the king.

2205
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:09,480
I should not be alive if the 
king is not alive. 

2206
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:14,320
And again, he's not just watch 
the king die, he's also watched 

2207
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:18,920
2 potential kings die. 
He's seen Amon die, maybe even 

2208
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:20,600
in front of his eyes if he was 
on Tarth. 

2209
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,840
And he's also seen Bailon die, 
again, maybe in front of his 

2210
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:25,800
eyes because Bailon died in the 
Red Keep. 

2211
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:29,280
So I think there's this way in 
which Ryan may have been 

2212
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:33,960
thinking, I've seen so many 
kings or would be kings pass and

2213
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:36,880
why am I left? 
Why am I the last Survivor? 

2214
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:40,560
Why am I still here? 
And all of these Royals who 

2215
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:42,160
should be reigning are not 
raining. 

2216
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:46,240
You wonder if he wanted. 
One last last hurrah, one that 

2217
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:50,640
he could have a real fight in 
and maybe that would be where he

2218
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:53,640
fell at last and that would be 
good for his legend perhaps. 

2219
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:56,920
But he did become Lord Commander
for the new King, Viserys the 

2220
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:58,680
1st. 
And this is interesting because 

2221
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,280
we talk about how the Kingsguard
have a lot of interactions with 

2222
01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:04,240
the Princess, but Viserys would 
have been a younger generation 

2223
01:59:04,240 --> 01:59:07,440
and not particularly Marshall as
far as the Targaryen princelings

2224
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,800
go. 
So he might have had a much 

2225
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:15,040
different connection to Viserys.
Not a not a close one at all. 

2226
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:18,200
Which would have been a huge 
contrast from Jaherys if we 

2227
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:22,960
talked at the beginning of. 
The young Riyam watching this 

2228
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:26,400
early adult Jaharis literally 
training with his Kingsguard, 

2229
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:29,080
getting so good that his 
Kingsguard think he even could 

2230
01:59:29,080 --> 01:59:33,120
have beaten Megor in a fight. 
And now he's watching not just 

2231
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:37,360
this much younger man ascend, 
but someone who has no interest 

2232
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:41,000
in jousting or swordplay. 
It's possible, I think that Ryan

2233
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:44,400
is maybe a little disappointed, 
maybe even a way that he 

2234
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,640
wouldn't necessarily admit. 
But thinking, you know, Eamonn 

2235
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:51,360
and Bailon, who were these brave
fighters who were both in war, 

2236
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:54,840
who were both willing to go to 
war, Why are they dead? 

2237
01:59:55,120 --> 01:59:59,200
And Viserys is the king now, 
How, how does that make sense, 

2238
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:03,160
that why are these sort of 
paragons of princely chivalry 

2239
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:05,120
dead? 
And now we've got a king on the 

2240
02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:08,520
Iron Throne who quite simply 
doesn't care, who doesn't want 

2241
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:11,600
to be Grand and Marshall in the 
way that I understand how. 

2242
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:14,840
How does that make sense? 
Well, one thing they might have.

2243
02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:18,480
Agreed on is Viserys really 
liked tournaments, so that's one

2244
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:20,800
little tidbit that might have 
worked out well for them. 

2245
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:24,160
As in their relationship it's 
It's unclear whether Ryan went 

2246
02:00:24,160 --> 02:00:28,040
to this maiden pool tournament 
in one O 4 to celebrate the new 

2247
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:31,280
King's ascension. 
Viserys is sort of I'm the King 

2248
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,440
now tournament, but he probably 
would have been there though, 

2249
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:36,240
right? 
It's it's likely I I think so. 

2250
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:38,600
Whether or not he would have. 
Been competing, I don't know. 

2251
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:40,920
I don't think he would have 
necessarily been too old. 

2252
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:42,840
Again, if we're thinking that 
he's roughly of an age with 

2253
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:45,720
Barristan, Barrison is 
definitely still a formidable 

2254
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:48,000
fighter in the main novels. 
So I don't think that Ryan was 

2255
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,240
necessarily incapable of doing 
it. 

2256
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:52,960
But he also may have thought, 
well, I did so well in the 

2257
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:55,800
anniversary tournament that 
anything I do after this is 

2258
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:58,880
almost an insult to that. 
It's almost less like horrible 

2259
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:02,480
day Numa. 
But I would love to imagine that

2260
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:06,040
he did because this may have 
been the one and only time that 

2261
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:10,120
he interacted with Kristen Cole.
Kristen Cole makes a name for 

2262
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:12,880
himself at this tournament. 
This is really where he comes on

2263
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:17,240
to the scene as a famous knight.
So it's very interesting to 

2264
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:19,720
speculate. 
Did Ryan Redwin interact with 

2265
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:22,680
Kristen at all? 
This sort of almost passing of 

2266
02:01:22,680 --> 02:01:26,320
the torch in a way, or may have 
seemed like that later that the 

2267
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:29,680
older knight of the older 
generation is now interacting 

2268
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:33,480
with the younger knight who is 
spoilers about to take his 

2269
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:34,760
place. 
Yeah. 

2270
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:37,120
And and and. 
A lot of things too, right? 

2271
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:41,080
The best knight in terms of 
martial skill, eventual Lord 

2272
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:43,640
Commander of the Kingsguard, and
also Hand of the King Like this.

2273
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:45,720
Yeah, I didn't mention him 
earlier when we mentioned people

2274
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:46,840
that were Hand. 
He's a good example. 

2275
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:49,440
Of course I was only mentioning 
POV characters before, but 

2276
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:52,960
Christen Cole is an example of a
Hand of the King that is is a 

2277
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:57,560
big parallel here. 
Last of the red. 

2278
02:01:57,560 --> 02:02:00,880
Wine in 105. 
AC He. 

2279
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:05,120
He finally passed. 
Do we have many details there? 

2280
02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:07,000
It's not even a full sentence, 
it's just part. 

2281
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:09,000
Of a sentence that Ryan Redwine 
died. 

2282
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:11,200
I don't think there's any 
suggestion that there was foul 

2283
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:12,920
play here or any sort of 
violence. 

2284
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:16,320
I think it's simply the fact 
that in Westeros you are 

2285
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:19,400
considered old in your mid 60s. 
Obviously, we don't consider 

2286
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:22,280
that, but in Westeros you are 
considered old, in your mid 60s,

2287
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:25,320
and this is a pseudo medieval 
world. 

2288
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:29,760
So it may not have taken much. 
If there's a sudden illness, if 

2289
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:32,800
there's a broken hip, if there 
is, whatever it may have been, 

2290
02:02:33,160 --> 02:02:35,840
that just sort of carries Ryan 
off. 

2291
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:38,320
And I don't think it would have 
surprised anyone that this guy 

2292
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:42,880
who was in his mid 60s is, you 
know, finally passing away. 

2293
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:45,560
Yeah, his death. 
Must have seemed. 

2294
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:48,720
Like the end of an era in 
itself, A living legend 

2295
02:02:49,080 --> 02:02:52,120
transitioning to, well, regular 
legend. 

2296
02:02:52,120 --> 02:02:55,960
I suppose he doesn't. 
Need the qualifier? 

2297
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:57,520
Anymore. 
Yeah, just legend. 

2298
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,240
Regular legend. 
Yeah, well, and and I agree. 

2299
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:02,440
I I think. 
You're right because we 

2300
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:04,920
mentioned this a bit with 
respect to to Harris naming him 

2301
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:09,960
his Hand, but by the time he 
dies, Ryan is probably one of 

2302
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:14,760
the few courtiers who remembered
the early days of Jaharis's 

2303
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:17,000
reign. 
If they if anyone in court wants

2304
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:20,440
stories about what young Jaharis
was like, what this sort of 

2305
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:23,800
golden age or supposed golden 
age of Westeros was like under 

2306
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:27,400
young King Jaharis, Ryan is the 
person to tell those stories. 

2307
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:31,760
Ryan is the one who remembers, 
and by the time of his death, I 

2308
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:34,440
don't think there's any doubt 
he's the most famous Kingsguard 

2309
02:03:34,440 --> 02:03:37,680
who not just of his time, but of
any time. 

2310
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:39,960
This is the 1st century of 
Targaryen. 

2311
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:44,440
Rule has passed and no one 
exceeds Ryan Redwine in terms of

2312
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:46,120
fame as members of the 
Kingsguard. 

2313
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:50,400
And in fact, he may have been 
the first Kingsguard to really 

2314
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:53,960
become a sort of celebrity, 
someone who is celebrated, 

2315
02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:55,640
someone who is very widely 
remembered. 

2316
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:58,920
It's not to say that again, we 
mentioned at the top, Gill Dane 

2317
02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:01,440
certainly thinks of Jaharis's 
first Kingsguard as very 

2318
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:04,280
illustrious and we know the 
names of other Kingsguard, but 

2319
02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:06,760
Ryan Redwine is standing out 
himself. 

2320
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:10,520
He is someone who, again, 
continues to be remembered even 

2321
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:13,040
into the modern age of the main 
novels. 

2322
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,840
So this may have been one of the
first times that a Kingsguard 

2323
02:04:16,840 --> 02:04:20,680
knight transitions into that 
celebrity status, into that 

2324
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:24,040
legendary status. 
I could see a lot of people at 

2325
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:27,480
court when he dies saying, well,
we'll never see his like again, 

2326
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:30,600
or there goes the end of an era 
or there goes a legend. 

2327
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:34,000
But you know, these sort of 
sentiments of when a famous 

2328
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,960
person passes away, when a very 
famous, especially an older 

2329
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,840
famous person passes away, well,
that's the end of the era. 

2330
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:43,720
That's where it's if the book 
has finally closed on Jeharis's 

2331
02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:45,960
era. 
Yeah, that's that's a good way 

2332
02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:47,880
to put. 
It too, because it's not just 

2333
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:52,600
his own era, which by itself is 
an important thing, but because,

2334
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:57,000
as you said, he is unique in so 
many ways and he almost created 

2335
02:04:57,000 --> 02:05:01,320
a template for future instances 
to be recognized. 

2336
02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:03,840
Like he's the key is the 
category that other people are 

2337
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:08,280
now occasionally added to. 
And there's a certain gravitas 

2338
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:11,760
and extra legend status attached
to being the first one to do 

2339
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,160
certain things. 
And yeah, like you said, being 

2340
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:16,680
attached to Jaharius, that's a 
huge one because that's the 

2341
02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:21,680
golden age and he is the last 
real piece of that. 

2342
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:23,640
And yeah, you're right about the
stories. 

2343
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:25,040
He should have had his own 
podcast. 

2344
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:27,040
That would have been a good 
podcast. 

2345
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,080
Maybe he's bad at that. 
Too. 

2346
02:05:29,080 --> 02:05:30,680
He's just like. 
No, the same reason I'm in a bad

2347
02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:32,840
hand to the King. 
I'm just, I'm not a good talker.

2348
02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:36,640
So we don't know where he was 
buried, right? 

2349
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:38,120
That's kind of interesting, 
right? 

2350
02:05:38,120 --> 02:05:40,960
In general, we don't know 
Kingsguard burial practices 

2351
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:43,480
because they can't just all go 
back to their house. 

2352
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:45,280
Some of them don't have a house,
right? 

2353
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:46,600
Like where was Sir Duncan 
buried? 

2354
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:48,760
I'm so intrigued by that, I 
mean. 

2355
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:52,120
Granted, is there anything left 
of of donk because I don't know 

2356
02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:55,000
what if. 
If it was. 

2357
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:58,720
Burned, but also no. 
This is a very minor. 

2358
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:00,960
Point that I don't necessarily. 
Expect the author to ever get 

2359
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:05,480
into, but I am fascinated by 
which is do Kingsguard go back 

2360
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:09,760
to their homes or do they get 
interred with the Targaryens 

2361
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:14,920
because theoretically they are 
giving up their identities to 

2362
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:17,600
join the Kingsgar. 
They are supposed to be totally 

2363
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:21,840
devoted to House Targaryen. 
So there is a way in which maybe

2364
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:23,360
they're buried with the 
Targaryens. 

2365
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,680
Maybe they are interred with the
Targaryens. 

2366
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:30,040
They serve as a reminder that 
these people are eternally 

2367
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:32,680
connected to us. 
Or maybe if they do have a home,

2368
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:35,960
their bones do go back there. 
I I would love to know the 

2369
02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:38,520
answer to this and I I don't 
think we ever will, but I'm 

2370
02:06:38,520 --> 02:06:40,560
fairly intrigued. 
I like that. 

2371
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:44,400
First idea that they are 
eternally guarding the royal 

2372
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:45,760
family that they guarded in 
life. 

2373
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:47,960
That's that's really nice and 
there is a chance we learned 

2374
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:50,280
that if they, you know, maybe 
I'm optimistic they could go 

2375
02:06:50,280 --> 02:06:51,880
down. 
They could go down and you know,

2376
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,000
lower in Dragonstone and maybe 
see that as well. 

2377
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:55,920
For The thing is, I do have a 
vision in. 

2378
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:58,560
Mind, and I don't necessarily 
know that this will happen, but 

2379
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:00,960
I would love it to happen. 
I have a vision in mind that 

2380
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:03,560
when Daenerys comes back to 
esters, obviously she's going to

2381
02:07:03,560 --> 02:07:05,760
land on Dragonstone first. 
That just makes the most sense 

2382
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:08,880
physically, I think, but and 
logistically, but I think he's 

2383
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:11,880
going to have this moment kind 
of similar to Bran in the in the

2384
02:07:11,880 --> 02:07:14,040
Witch of All Crips, where he's 
sort of identifying all of these

2385
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:16,640
past Starks. 
I kind of imagine that Daenerys,

2386
02:07:16,640 --> 02:07:19,400
who has never known any of her 
family except the Sarahs, will 

2387
02:07:19,400 --> 02:07:22,840
go into the Crips on Dragonstone
and kind of walk through and 

2388
02:07:22,840 --> 02:07:26,120
have Oh, and there is to Harris 
and there is Alison, and there 

2389
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:29,280
is Deron the Good and there is, 
you know, whoever else it may 

2390
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,360
be. 
So maybe, maybe we'll see. 

2391
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:34,520
Oh, and by the way, there's the 
there are the bones or the ashes

2392
02:07:34,520 --> 02:07:38,120
of Ryan Redwine, and there are 
the bones or ashes of the White 

2393
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:39,680
Bull or, you know, whoever it 
may be. 

2394
02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:41,440
Yeah, the Starks have a direwolf
by. 

2395
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,560
Them, the kings, the one. 
Why not some Kingsguard by the 

2396
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:49,480
Targaryens? 
Legacy we talked about. 

2397
02:07:49,480 --> 02:07:52,040
How his brief tenure. 
His hand probably didn't harm 

2398
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:57,040
his reputation too much. 
He had so much built up goodwill

2399
02:07:57,040 --> 02:08:01,200
and and legendary status, glory,
etcetera, especially among other

2400
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:02,960
Kingsguard. 
He didn't fail at that. 

2401
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:04,920
The Kingsguard could look up to 
him still 'cause he he never 

2402
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:07,320
failed at that job, right? 
It was, it was like, ah, well, 

2403
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:09,080
who cares if he was bad as a 
hand? 

2404
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:11,520
I don't look up to that anyway. 
I'm trying to be a knight and 

2405
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:12,960
he's the perfect example of 
that. 

2406
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:18,040
So let's consider who was next. 
The the following Lord Commander

2407
02:08:18,040 --> 02:08:20,920
was probably Sir Harold 
Westerling, but there was a a 

2408
02:08:20,920 --> 02:08:23,840
little bit of time between. 
There could have been somebody 

2409
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:26,400
else, Sir. 
Sir Harold only died seven years

2410
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:30,240
after Sir Ryan, so he wouldn't 
have been Lord Commander for 

2411
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:34,480
very long, but he lived in 
Ryan's shadow and as the first 

2412
02:08:34,480 --> 02:08:37,240
guy to be Lord Commander after 
Ryan. 

2413
02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:41,200
Woo, big boots to fill there. 
Oh, a 100? 

2414
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:42,200
Percent. 
I mean those. 

2415
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:44,840
Those are some huge sabotage, so
to speak, in terms of, in terms 

2416
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:47,640
of. 
Filling that, but even. 

2417
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:52,360
Even more so, Christian Cole, I 
think is, is a huge, huge figure

2418
02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:56,880
to talk about here because quite
literally, he is stepping into 

2419
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:59,400
Ryan Redwin's shoes. 
He is the person who was 

2420
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:03,680
appointed after Ryan Redwin dies
to take his place. 

2421
02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:08,680
And I have to imagine that had a
deep emotional and psychological

2422
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:12,360
impact on that especially, and 
this is somewhat head cannon, 

2423
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:13,800
but I do I do like to think 
this. 

2424
02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:17,360
To what extent did Kristen feel 
unworthy? 

2425
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:21,760
Or was he made to feel unworthy 
specifically because he was 

2426
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:26,320
succeeding Sir Ryan? 
After all, Ryan is not just of 

2427
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:29,280
the most the bluest of the blue 
blood aristocrat. 

2428
02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:32,240
He's been on the Kingsguard for 
decades by the time of his 

2429
02:09:32,240 --> 02:09:34,640
death. 
He is a legend in his own right.

2430
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:38,440
He is a legendary figure. 
And who's Kristen Cole? 

2431
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:41,760
He's 23. 
He's the son of a steward. 

2432
02:09:41,960 --> 02:09:45,920
He's a nobody from nowhere, 
relatively speaking at least. 

2433
02:09:46,200 --> 02:09:49,360
And so I think there's a way in 
which either Kristen himself and

2434
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:52,200
or courtiers around him were 
thinking, who's this guy? 

2435
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:55,240
He doesn't deserve to be here. 
He doesn't deserve to be where 

2436
02:09:55,240 --> 02:09:57,880
Ryan Red Wine sat. 
He doesn't deserve to wear the 

2437
02:09:57,880 --> 02:10:02,880
cloak that Ryan red wine wore. 
Who is this nobody from nowhere 

2438
02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:07,040
who presumes to take his place? 
So does that influence him? 

2439
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:10,720
I have to think it does. 
And maybe, like Ryan, maybe 

2440
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:13,560
Kristen Cole thinks I'm going to
be the most Kingsguard of all 

2441
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:16,480
Kingsguard. 
I'm going to take this role so 

2442
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:20,680
incredibly seriously that no one
can doubt. 

2443
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:22,720
That I. 
Deserve to be here, that I 

2444
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:25,760
deserve to be the successor of 
Ryan Redwine, that I deserve to 

2445
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:28,680
sit where he sat and wear the 
cloak that he wore. 

2446
02:10:29,160 --> 02:10:34,240
And obviously that may have come
into play because like Ryan 

2447
02:10:34,240 --> 02:10:38,680
Redwine, who's confronting this 
sort of sexual scandal with Luka

2448
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:43,640
Moore Strong there is whatever 
may have actually happened, this

2449
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:47,640
sexual relationship or sexual 
scandal with Ray Neera. 

2450
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:52,960
So how is that impacting him? 
Is Kristen, you know, is he 

2451
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:57,040
taking Ryan Redwin, Ryan Redwin 
as his model and saying, no, I, 

2452
02:10:57,120 --> 02:11:00,080
I can't be part of this. 
In fact, I'm going to take this 

2453
02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:03,280
so seriously that I'm going to 
turn against you forever because

2454
02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:07,240
I can't countenance any of this,
just like Ryan Redwine couldn't 

2455
02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:10,040
countenance Luca more strong 
having multiple quote UN quote 

2456
02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:14,880
wives and as hand. 
Kristen had a longer tenure, not

2457
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:18,480
much longer, but maybe a few 
months longer. 

2458
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:21,360
He wouldn't be remembered any 
better than Ryan was. 

2459
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:22,720
In fact, he would remember quite
a bit worse. 

2460
02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:25,280
He's infamous for his time in 
the office, but there's still a 

2461
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:29,720
comparison to be made here, 
which is that when Aegon the 

2462
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:31,840
Second named Kristen in his 
hand, he's like, my hand is a 

2463
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:35,200
steel fist that's a little bit 
similar to the hitting thing 

2464
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:39,360
solving problems with a stick 
comment My new hand is a stick. 

2465
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:41,600
You know my new hand holds a. 
Stick it's. 

2466
02:11:41,600 --> 02:11:43,400
Similar to my new hand is a 
steel fist. 

2467
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:47,920
So yeah, I don't suppose they 
were that similar people maybe, 

2468
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:50,960
but they could have been. 
This part seems very similar 

2469
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:55,640
though, and along with the 
quality of their skill at arms, 

2470
02:11:55,640 --> 02:11:56,920
that certainly would have been 
similar. 

2471
02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:00,560
So in the two centuries 
following Ryan's death, he's 

2472
02:12:01,120 --> 02:12:03,480
this legacy is absolutely 
carried forward. 

2473
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:08,560
He's the byword for nightly 
honor and Kingsguard prestige. 

2474
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:12,000
He's kind of the model. 
He's kind of like the the 

2475
02:12:12,040 --> 02:12:13,320
aspirational. 
Figure. 

2476
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:15,160
He's the dictionary definition 
you you. 

2477
02:12:15,160 --> 02:12:17,480
Open the Westerosi dictionary. 
You go to Kingsguard. 

2478
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:20,160
There's his picture right there,
you know. 

2479
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:22,800
This is again. 
We started started the episode 

2480
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:26,000
with that quote from Bran. 
He's the figure you can easily 

2481
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:27,800
name. 
If someone says name a famous 

2482
02:12:27,800 --> 02:12:31,600
Kingsguard, first answer on the 
board is gonna be Ryan Red Wine.

2483
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:35,440
And we see this with, you know, 
John's memories of him sparring 

2484
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:38,640
with Rob when they're boys and 
they're calling out these famous

2485
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:40,160
heroes and they're these 
legendary figures. 

2486
02:12:40,440 --> 02:12:43,520
One of them is Ryan Red Wine. 
They're thinking of this even as

2487
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:48,320
Northern boys, because he is so 
famous, because he is so well 

2488
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:50,920
known as a knight, even someone 
like. 

2489
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:53,080
Dunk. 
Is familiar with Ryan red wine. 

2490
02:12:53,200 --> 02:12:55,360
He's got an aristocrat. 
He doesn't go up with 

2491
02:12:55,360 --> 02:12:58,800
aristocrats, but he knows the 
songs and stories of Ryan 

2492
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:00,560
Redwine. 
He hears about them. 

2493
02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:04,640
This popularity and this 
celebrity status, this legendary

2494
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:08,280
status of Ryan Redwine has 
trickled down from the 

2495
02:13:08,280 --> 02:13:12,240
aristocracy in the highest 
echelon of Westerosi society all

2496
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:13,800
the way down to someone like 
Donk. 

2497
02:13:13,960 --> 02:13:17,880
Everyone knows Ryan Redwine. 
Yeah, every single one. 

2498
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:20,040
It's. 
It's it's ubiquitous. 

2499
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:23,080
He's ubiquitous. 
Songs praising his chivalry are 

2500
02:13:23,080 --> 02:13:25,720
mentioned in A Game of Thrones, 
A Clash of Kings and A Storm of 

2501
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:28,040
Swords. 
Pretty good chance we haven't 

2502
02:13:28,040 --> 02:13:31,000
heard the last of him. 
Here's a comparison to 

2503
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:31,960
Barristan. 
And amon the. 

2504
02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:34,960
Dragon Knight. 
It comes when Ned expects the 

2505
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:37,720
Kingsguard to help Robert. 
What a notion, right? 

2506
02:13:37,720 --> 02:13:41,480
The Kingsguard actually protect 
the King quote. 

2507
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:44,840
The Kingsguard a paper. 
Shield. 

2508
02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:49,440
The eunuch said try not to look 
so shocked, Lord Stark. 

2509
02:13:49,960 --> 02:13:53,080
Jaime Lannister is himself a 
sworn brother of the White 

2510
02:13:53,080 --> 02:13:56,240
Swords, and we all know what his
oath is worth. 

2511
02:13:56,960 --> 02:14:01,760
The days when men like Ryan, red
wine and Prince Eamon the Dragon

2512
02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:06,000
Knight wore the white cloak are 
gone to dust and song. 

2513
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:09,040
So, Ryan. 
Was probably a huge influence. 

2514
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:12,240
On Loris in particular, one 
would think, and we know that 

2515
02:14:13,080 --> 02:14:17,280
this happened because, well, 
we'll, we'll, we'll tell you 

2516
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:19,040
here. 
Like Ryan, Loris was the third 

2517
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:21,520
son. 
Loris even has red one blood. 

2518
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:24,800
Olenna is a red wine now the 
Queen of Thorns. 

2519
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:29,200
His Lawrence's paternal aunt, 
Mina Tyrell was also married to 

2520
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:30,400
Lord Paxter. 
Red wine. 

2521
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:33,320
So they're deeply connected. 
And his maternal aunt, Denise 

2522
02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:34,720
Hightower, married to Sir 
Desmond. 

2523
02:14:34,720 --> 02:14:36,120
Red wine. 
That's wild, right? 

2524
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:38,720
So take it. 
Away here. 

2525
02:14:38,720 --> 02:14:42,640
There's so much going. 
On here and it ends with a very 

2526
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:43,960
unlikely figure getting 
involved. 

2527
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:46,160
No, and you're absolutely. 
Right. 

2528
02:14:46,160 --> 02:14:50,520
I mean I I cannot imagine we're 
not in Loris's head as a POB, 

2529
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:54,960
but if we weren't, I would be 
shocked if he did not mention 

2530
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:58,560
Ryan Redwine as someone who had 
a huge influence on him growing 

2531
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,600
up. 
I can imagine young Loris 

2532
02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:04,360
growing up on the Arbor. 
He probably literally thought of

2533
02:15:04,360 --> 02:15:08,600
himself as a new Ryan Redwine. 
He can see the parallels so 

2534
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:11,280
easily here. 
Excuse me, as he's growing up in

2535
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:14,680
Highgarden, not not the Arbor, 
although he may have visited the

2536
02:15:14,680 --> 02:15:18,240
Arbor because familial 
connections, but he's thinking 

2537
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:21,600
I'm another third son. 
I'm really talented at jousting.

2538
02:15:21,800 --> 02:15:23,480
I've got those aristocratic 
credentials. 

2539
02:15:23,720 --> 02:15:26,640
And even though he's not 
necessarily dreaming of being in

2540
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:29,240
the Kingsguard as a young boy, 
maybe he is. 

2541
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:31,920
And maybe he's thinking, I could
be another Kingsguard the way 

2542
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:34,760
that Ryan was. 
I could be a celebrity knight 

2543
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:37,600
the way that Ryan was. 
I can dream of wearing that 

2544
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:41,080
white cloak because I have that 
example in front of me of 

2545
02:15:41,200 --> 02:15:45,920
someone almost exactly in my 
position who had this glorious 

2546
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:48,680
career as a Kingsguard knight. 
And we see, and we mentioned 

2547
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:53,200
this at the beginning, Loris is 
precociously talented in the way

2548
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:56,000
that Ryan Redwine appears to 
have been as well. 

2549
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:59,320
He's not just performing, but 
winning tournaments. 

2550
02:15:59,320 --> 02:16:02,600
When he's 16 years old, he's 
already knighted. 

2551
02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:07,440
She is no no slouch when it 
comes to the douse and to 

2552
02:16:08,120 --> 02:16:11,040
Marshall sour play. 
In fact, he only really loses 

2553
02:16:11,040 --> 02:16:14,920
the melee at Bitter Bridge 
because Brienne pulled a dunk 

2554
02:16:14,920 --> 02:16:18,840
like move and uses her physical 
strength and stature to to beat 

2555
02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:21,000
him. 
He's not losing because he's bad

2556
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:23,240
at arms or because he can't 
perform jewelry. 

2557
02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:26,480
He's better than virtually 
everyone else there. 

2558
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:29,640
So I think that he really may 
have seen. 

2559
02:16:29,640 --> 02:16:32,160
Himself and May. 
Continue to see himself as a 

2560
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:36,080
Ryan Red Wine like figure and 
other people would be. 

2561
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:38,440
There to point that out too. 
If he didn't notice it himself, 

2562
02:16:38,440 --> 02:16:42,040
there'd be eagerness in his own 
family to see someone of that 

2563
02:16:42,040 --> 02:16:45,680
talent achieve similar status, 
or even a shred of that status. 

2564
02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:49,799
That would be great for the 
Tyrells, great for the red 

2565
02:16:49,799 --> 02:16:54,680
wines. 
But an unlikely man here helped 

2566
02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:56,520
push things along. 
Who's that? 

2567
02:16:56,520 --> 02:16:58,760
It's Littlefinger. 
Littlefinger. 

2568
02:16:58,840 --> 02:17:01,200
Pays. 
Singers in the Tyrell camp to 

2569
02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:06,280
tell the legend of Ryan Redwine 
in order to indirectly convince 

2570
02:17:06,280 --> 02:17:08,440
Loris to join the Kingsguard. 
This is all during the time 

2571
02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:11,879
where they're trying to arrange 
the marriage to the Lannisters. 

2572
02:17:12,040 --> 02:17:17,639
A Littlefinger goes off with all
his new titles of his own and 

2573
02:17:17,639 --> 02:17:22,160
lots of money to bribe people 
and Tyrion wondering what his 

2574
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:25,000
angle is. 
Well, of course it ends up being

2575
02:17:25,160 --> 02:17:27,920
poisoning Joffrey and among 
other things, but that's another

2576
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:31,719
story. 
Loris it and it this this. 

2577
02:17:31,719 --> 02:17:34,520
Is so straightforward. 
Because he's so obvious as a 

2578
02:17:34,520 --> 02:17:38,240
candidate to to be like this. 
And well, Ryan didn't have a 

2579
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:41,879
sister become queen like like 
Marjorie did Loris's sister 

2580
02:17:41,879 --> 02:17:44,680
having becoming queen. 
But he obviously lived at court.

2581
02:17:44,680 --> 02:17:46,360
His family was at court all the 
time. 

2582
02:17:46,600 --> 02:17:50,040
So here's the actual incident 
It's great. 

2583
02:17:50,040 --> 02:17:52,360
I I love this moment. 
So let's let's hear it 

2584
02:17:52,360 --> 02:17:55,280
Littlefinger drop name dropping 
Ryan and some other of the usual

2585
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:59,080
suspects quote I also. 
Planted the notion of. 

2586
02:17:59,080 --> 02:18:03,400
Sir Laura's taking the white. 
Not that I suggested it, that 

2587
02:18:03,400 --> 02:18:07,639
would have been too crude. 
But men in my party supplied 

2588
02:18:07,639 --> 02:18:11,879
grisly tales about how the mob 
had killed Sir Preston 

2589
02:18:11,879 --> 02:18:15,879
Greenfield and raped the Lady 
Lollies and slipped a few 

2590
02:18:15,879 --> 02:18:21,080
silvers to Lord Tyrell's army of
singers to sing of Ryum red 

2591
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:24,879
wine, Sir One of the Mirror 
Shield, and Prince Eamon the 

2592
02:18:24,879 --> 02:18:28,680
Dragon Knight. 
A harp can be as dangerous as a 

2593
02:18:28,680 --> 02:18:33,840
sword in the right hands. 
Mace Tyrell actually thought it 

2594
02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:37,879
was his own idea to make Sir 
Loris's inclusion in the 

2595
02:18:37,879 --> 02:18:40,559
Kingsguard part of the marriage 
contract. 

2596
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:45,040
Who better to protect his 
daughter than her splendid 

2597
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:48,719
nightly brother? 
And it relieved him of the 

2598
02:18:48,719 --> 02:18:53,320
difficult task of trying to find
lands and a bride for a third 

2599
02:18:53,320 --> 02:18:57,240
son. 
Never easy, and doubly difficult

2600
02:18:57,520 --> 02:19:00,760
in Sir Loris's case. 
It's a. 

2601
02:19:00,760 --> 02:19:03,680
Great example of several. 
Of the points we've made the 

2602
02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:07,360
role of a third son, Loris, a 
Tyrell of Highgarden, influenced

2603
02:19:07,360 --> 02:19:13,559
by stories that he would have 
grown up with and are built of a

2604
02:19:13,559 --> 02:19:17,240
person that he's related to 
he's. 

2605
02:19:17,240 --> 02:19:18,680
The most effective of the names 
listed. 

2606
02:19:18,680 --> 02:19:20,879
There, he's not going to be like
Sir one of the Mirror Shield. 

2607
02:19:21,160 --> 02:19:23,040
We don't even really know what 
that guy was like. 

2608
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,840
That's some man who may not even
have assisted it. 

2609
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:28,360
If he did, it was the thousands 
of years ago and Prince Amon was

2610
02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:31,280
a Targaryen. 
That's see he's obviously going 

2611
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:34,040
to connect himself with his 
grandmother's house over the 

2612
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:38,360
Targaryen here so and and Mace, 
the quote about Mace thinking it

2613
02:19:38,360 --> 02:19:41,600
was his idea that's just well, 
that's his little finger for you

2614
02:19:41,639 --> 02:19:44,480
a little finger understanding 
how people will work and this is

2615
02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:49,200
how a legend can be used as a 
weapon and that's. 

2616
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:49,720
Really. 
Some. 

2617
02:19:49,720 --> 02:19:50,720
That's a little. 
Unusual. 

2618
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:54,080
It's a great way to think about 
it, and an interesting play by 

2619
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:57,920
George to have the world 
building, to have the legendary 

2620
02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:01,680
used by a master of intrigue to 
push his plots forward. 

2621
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:03,240
It's just, it's really 
interesting, I think. 

2622
02:20:04,120 --> 02:20:06,360
No agreed. 
And you know, that that makes me

2623
02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:09,080
think of as well when you say 
you sort of a legend as as a 

2624
02:20:09,080 --> 02:20:12,600
weapon. 
It's also a little bit not not 

2625
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:16,040
as a negative weapon, but also a
bit used by by Sansa at the 

2626
02:20:16,040 --> 02:20:18,760
beginning of A Clash of Kings. 
Because what does she do when 

2627
02:20:19,080 --> 02:20:21,880
Dantos is coming out and 
Godfrey's like, oh, you know, we

2628
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:23,920
should, we should kill him. 
What does she do? 

2629
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:27,120
Well, she reaches to the tropes 
of chivalry and she said, oh, 

2630
02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:30,360
well, you know, it's actually 
considered bad luck to kill 

2631
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:33,560
someone, So what you really 
should be doing is making him 

2632
02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:37,320
your fool. 
She's also using sort of legend 

2633
02:20:37,320 --> 02:20:41,440
and stories and tropes to save a
man's life because she's trying 

2634
02:20:41,440 --> 02:20:44,320
to manipulate Joffrey into 
saving a man's life. 

2635
02:20:44,320 --> 02:20:49,800
So indirectly, she is using that
idea of the Chvoric saving of 

2636
02:20:49,800 --> 02:20:53,000
the innocent to save Dantos's 
life, kind of in the way the 

2637
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:55,920
Barristan did, and then it goes 
forward. 

2638
02:20:55,920 --> 02:21:00,080
With Dantos manipulating Sansa, 
knowing exactly what to say, 

2639
02:21:00,440 --> 02:21:02,720
probably because he was coached 
by a Littlefinger. 

2640
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:05,840
Daddy came up with all this on 
his own, but still, here it is. 

2641
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:09,240
Quote your Lord. 
Father was as true. 

2642
02:21:09,240 --> 02:21:11,360
A man as the realm has ever 
known. 

2643
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:14,520
But I stood by and let them slay
him. 

2644
02:21:14,720 --> 02:21:19,480
I said nothing, did nothing. 
And yet when Geoffrey would have

2645
02:21:19,480 --> 02:21:25,520
slain me, you spoke up. 
Lady, I have never been a hero. 

2646
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:29,040
No rhyme, red wine or barrissed 
in the bold. 

2647
02:21:29,360 --> 02:21:32,720
I've won no tourneys, no renown 
in war. 

2648
02:21:33,320 --> 02:21:38,440
But I was a knight once, and you
have helped me remember what 

2649
02:21:38,440 --> 02:21:42,840
that meant. 
My life is a poor thing, but it 

2650
02:21:42,840 --> 02:21:45,560
is yours. 
So again, he. 

2651
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:48,720
He mentions rhyme, red wine, 
embarrassed in the bold, and 

2652
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:51,800
Littlefinger knows that Sansa's 
got her head in the stories and 

2653
02:21:51,800 --> 02:21:55,680
so she mentions or he mentions 
the current legend and the one 

2654
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:59,240
most like him from the songs and
stories, and it's a hook. 

2655
02:21:59,360 --> 02:22:02,680
Sansa's wants to believe it, 
even though she's starting to 

2656
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:05,080
have suspicions, she wants to 
believe it. 

2657
02:22:05,080 --> 02:22:08,040
She perceives this as an oath, 
and that's a big deal too. 

2658
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:11,560
He he suggests she calls him my 
Florian and she does. 

2659
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:15,320
So she's just getting more and 
more bought in and using the 

2660
02:22:15,320 --> 02:22:18,240
thing that's the closest to her 
heart, these songs and stories. 

2661
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:22,120
And it's another another example
of this being used as a weapon. 

2662
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:28,320
Still probably Littlefinger 
doing it, but but this is at an 

2663
02:22:28,320 --> 02:22:30,880
interesting time for her because
right, she says when she's 

2664
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:35,080
losing some of her naivete, 
right, like I said, but like not

2665
02:22:35,080 --> 02:22:37,920
quite there. 
And this is starts to pull her 

2666
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:40,560
back right Well, and it is and 
then. 

2667
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:43,760
You know, I always like to point
out it's, it's not to say that 

2668
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:48,280
Sansa stops believing in songs 
and stories and, and thinks 

2669
02:22:48,280 --> 02:22:51,120
they're they're all dumb or, or,
you know, oh, you, you can't 

2670
02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:53,440
believe that. 
Because in fact, this is also 

2671
02:22:53,480 --> 02:22:58,520
the era in which Sansa is using 
the stories of Eamonn and Naris 

2672
02:22:58,680 --> 02:23:01,040
to challenge Joffrey. 
You know, when when they see 

2673
02:23:01,040 --> 02:23:05,080
Marcella off and you know, 
Tommen is weeping and Joffrey 

2674
02:23:05,080 --> 02:23:08,240
makes fun of him. 
Stanza points out, by the way, 

2675
02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:11,960
the stories say that Eamon wept 
when Anares was married. 

2676
02:23:11,960 --> 02:23:14,080
So you know, it's OK for a 
Prince to weep. 

2677
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:18,960
So he's also aware of how to use
these stories and these legends 

2678
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:22,080
to combat what she's also seeing
as an injustice. 

2679
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:25,600
So it's not to say that she 
stops believing in songs and 

2680
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:29,160
stories and and she'll use them 
in a in a very nice way, in a 

2681
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:32,480
very kind hearted way with 
Robert Aaron in A Feast for 

2682
02:23:32,480 --> 02:23:34,040
Crows when they're coming down 
the mountain. 

2683
02:23:34,320 --> 02:23:37,280
But I think it is a way that to 
this point, specifically with 

2684
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:43,040
Ryan Redwine, Dantos is and 
Littlefinger via Dantos is 

2685
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:45,920
trying to manipulate Sansa 
directly and he's trying to make

2686
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:48,400
sure that she will do what he 
wants. 

2687
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:51,960
And so he. 
Is playing on that idea of the 

2688
02:23:51,960 --> 02:23:55,000
great knightly savior. 
You know, in all the stories and

2689
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:57,640
the songs, the maiden is saved 
by a great knight. 

2690
02:23:57,640 --> 02:24:00,920
And who's the greatest knight in
relatively recent Lester Rossi 

2691
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:03,200
legend? 
Well, it's Ryan red wine. 

2692
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:05,440
It. 
This is a figure that Sansa can 

2693
02:24:05,440 --> 02:24:09,600
believe in will save her because
that's who should be saving her 

2694
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:12,680
according to these stories. 
Yeah, and. 

2695
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:15,360
It might have crossed. 
Her mind. 

2696
02:24:15,360 --> 02:24:18,280
That Ryan deserved much of what 
was said about him. 

2697
02:24:18,280 --> 02:24:21,760
But later, when the songs and 
stories, when she starts to have

2698
02:24:21,760 --> 02:24:24,640
a more mature view of it, she 
might start to realize that some

2699
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:26,920
of that legend was probably 
exaggerated a bit. 

2700
02:24:26,920 --> 02:24:31,440
After all, in that sentence, 
Dontos mentioned rhyme Redwine 

2701
02:24:31,440 --> 02:24:34,440
and Barristan the bold. 
What did Sansa observe 

2702
02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:39,880
Barristan's fate to beat laughed
out of the Red Keep in his 

2703
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:42,600
forced retirement scene. 
That was a she thought about 

2704
02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:44,640
that and she was like, boy, that
must have really hurt. 

2705
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:46,320
She thought that her sworn his 
sworn brothers laugh. 

2706
02:24:46,320 --> 02:24:48,920
She perceived it very well. 
It was very moving, the way she 

2707
02:24:48,920 --> 02:24:52,040
had empathy for him and how 
perceptive she was about what 

2708
02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:55,520
would have hurt there. 
And then come back to Joffrey a 

2709
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:59,440
minute later and you know the. 
Exact opposite here. 

2710
02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:02,080
So of. 
Course, this isn't meant to take

2711
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:03,960
anything. 
Away from Ryan or Barristan, 

2712
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:07,200
this is George's world, and 
George doesn't write perfect 

2713
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:09,320
people. 
Perfection exists only in songs 

2714
02:25:09,320 --> 02:25:12,000
and stories, which is why 
throughout this episode we've 

2715
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:13,920
been really questioning some of 
the greatness. 

2716
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:17,360
We we don't have certainty. 
Maybe he really was that great, 

2717
02:25:17,360 --> 02:25:20,000
but it makes sense that some of 
this is exaggerated. 

2718
02:25:20,360 --> 02:25:24,800
Quote, she shouted for Sir. 
Dantos for her brothers, for her

2719
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:29,040
dead father and her dead wolf, 
for gallant SER Loris who had 

2720
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:33,280
given her a red rose once, but 
none of them came. 

2721
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:37,880
She called for the heroes from 
the songs for Florian and SER 

2722
02:25:37,880 --> 02:25:42,120
Ryan, Red Wine and Prince Eamon 
the Dragon Knight, but no one 

2723
02:25:42,120 --> 02:25:45,720
heard along with. 
The earlier mentions. 

2724
02:25:45,720 --> 02:25:50,880
Of Rob and John Sansa's chapters
remind us that heroism and 

2725
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:54,080
stories can span cultural 
barriers, especially in in 

2726
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:57,800
Westeros, North and South. 
There's a lot of back and forth 

2727
02:25:57,800 --> 02:26:00,480
there, less the other one way 
than the other. 

2728
02:26:00,480 --> 02:26:02,680
You know, there's a lot more 
southern heroes mentioned in the

2729
02:26:02,680 --> 02:26:04,320
North than the other way around.
Like they're not talking about 

2730
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:07,760
Craig and Stark or, you know, 
Brandon the builder up and down 

2731
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:09,920
in the South that much, at least
not in terms of I want to be 

2732
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,560
like them. 
So and of course, in, you know, 

2733
02:26:12,560 --> 02:26:15,680
the Iron born, no one's talking 
about being Ironborn except the 

2734
02:26:15,680 --> 02:26:18,760
Ironborn, right? 
Like imagine some reach lady 

2735
02:26:18,760 --> 02:26:21,760
going why is our son calling 
himself Dagon Drum the Reaver 

2736
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:23,240
and Necromancer? 
That's odd. 

2737
02:26:23,480 --> 02:26:25,400
Why isn't he wanting to be like 
Ryan Redwine? 

2738
02:26:25,480 --> 02:26:27,400
Do you think any Ironborn 
Knights 'cause there's a few, 

2739
02:26:27,400 --> 02:26:28,920
There's a few. 
Do you think any of them care 

2740
02:26:28,920 --> 02:26:31,400
about Ryan Redwine? 
Or honestly, I I would. 

2741
02:26:31,400 --> 02:26:32,080
Be. 
Intrigued. 

2742
02:26:32,120 --> 02:26:34,680
Obviously there are some like 
Harris Harlaw, so I could 

2743
02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:37,400
imagine where he may have 
thought of Ryan Redwine as 

2744
02:26:37,400 --> 02:26:39,520
someone. 
But I also think even if they 

2745
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:43,040
didn't want to be like Ryan 
Redwine, maybe they would have 

2746
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:46,880
had it, especially in his time, 
a thought almost like Victarian 

2747
02:26:46,880 --> 02:26:49,560
where he's thinking, oh, I wish 
I could take that guy on because

2748
02:26:49,560 --> 02:26:53,040
he seems like he's so good. 
So I wish I could fight him. 

2749
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:55,120
You know, he's thinking about 
this with respect to, I think 

2750
02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:56,960
it's Randall Tarley. 
He's thinking, oh, I wish I 

2751
02:26:56,960 --> 02:26:58,240
could fight him with heart 
Spain. 

2752
02:26:58,240 --> 02:26:59,880
That would be a really good 
fight. 

2753
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:03,680
So I can imagine maybe there's 
Ironborn of Ryan's age or after 

2754
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:06,600
where they're thinking, I wish I
could have fought Ryan Red wine.

2755
02:27:06,600 --> 02:27:08,000
That would have been a good 
fight. 

2756
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:10,000
That would have been a really 
good fight. 

2757
02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:11,880
Yeah, that's a good way to think
about. 

2758
02:27:11,880 --> 02:27:13,520
That's how the Iron Board would 
consider it. 

2759
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:17,360
It's like, well, how I would, 
how I would look, how I would 

2760
02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:19,600
come out against him. 
Not I want to be like him. 

2761
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:22,760
I want to, I want to fight him. 
I like that. 

2762
02:27:22,840 --> 02:27:24,440
That's an Iron Board view of 
things. 

2763
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:31,360
Don't be like them, kill them. 
Even in failure, though, he sets

2764
02:27:31,360 --> 02:27:33,240
an. 
Example even his time, his hand 

2765
02:27:33,240 --> 02:27:38,280
to the king comes up during the 
series as a way to Well in this 

2766
02:27:38,280 --> 02:27:42,160
case, Master Pilo's giving Davos
a confidence boost using 

2767
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:45,160
evidence quote Sir rhyme redwine
was the. 

2768
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:50,800
Greatest night of his day and 
one of the worst hands ever to 

2769
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:54,240
serve a king. 
Sept in Murmessen's prayers 

2770
02:27:54,240 --> 02:28:00,000
worked miracles, but as hand he 
soon had the whole realm praying

2771
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:03,680
for his death. 
Lord Butterwell was renowned for

2772
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:09,200
wit, Miles Smallwood for 
courage, SER Otto Hightower for 

2773
02:28:09,200 --> 02:28:16,040
learning, Yet they failed as 
hands everyone As for birth, the

2774
02:28:16,040 --> 02:28:20,280
Dragon Kings OFT chose hands 
from amongst their own blood, 

2775
02:28:20,680 --> 02:28:25,600
with results as various as 
Baylor, Breakspear and Magor the

2776
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:28,360
Cruel. 
Against this you have Septon 

2777
02:28:28,360 --> 02:28:32,240
Barth, the blacksmith's son, the
old king plucked from the Red 

2778
02:28:32,240 --> 02:28:36,720
Keeps Library, who gave the 
realm 40 years of peace and 

2779
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:38,880
plenty. 
Pylos smiled. 

2780
02:28:39,440 --> 02:28:43,480
Read your history, Lord Davos, 
and you will see that your 

2781
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:47,240
doubts are groundless. 
Davos currently is. 

2782
02:28:47,240 --> 02:28:49,440
Still. 
And scared to say he's doing a 

2783
02:28:49,440 --> 02:28:52,280
better job, though it's a much 
harder job. 

2784
02:28:52,280 --> 02:28:53,880
His king is in a precarious 
position. 

2785
02:28:54,120 --> 02:28:57,280
Nothing like Jaharius or Ryan 
Redwine had to face, but really 

2786
02:28:57,280 --> 02:28:59,880
nothing like any Hand has had to
face, if we're being fair. 

2787
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:03,080
Oh, maybe Davos will get to look
back on this quote one day, you 

2788
02:29:03,080 --> 02:29:05,440
know, and then think about what 
Pylos said. 

2789
02:29:05,440 --> 02:29:07,360
And, you know, maybe he'll 
think, did I do a good job? 

2790
02:29:07,360 --> 02:29:10,480
And maybe he'll, well, I did a 
better job than those guys Pylos

2791
02:29:10,480 --> 02:29:11,760
mentioned, at least something 
like that. 

2792
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:14,240
Maybe. 
Well, and I I wonder to what? 

2793
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:18,960
Extent if in my mind Davos and 
Riyam are sort of the extremes 

2794
02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:23,880
of the guy that doesn't want the
job being made Hand of the King.

2795
02:29:23,880 --> 02:29:26,800
Davos is not out there trying to
petition Stannis and say hey, 

2796
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:29,720
make me Hand the King. 
I should be in in fact. 

2797
02:29:29,720 --> 02:29:32,640
Again, as this quote shows. 
He's not trying to be Hand. 

2798
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:35,160
He's like, I don't think that 
I'm capable of doing this. 

2799
02:29:35,160 --> 02:29:37,160
I don't think that this is my 
role. 

2800
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:40,240
I think he's one extreme of 
someone who may actually be a 

2801
02:29:40,240 --> 02:29:43,640
very capable Hand because he's 
willing to do justice in the 

2802
02:29:43,640 --> 02:29:46,600
King's name and he's willing to 
tell the king this is what you 

2803
02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:49,520
need to do in order to be a good
king. 

2804
02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:52,240
I think that's one aspect. 
But I think what Ryan shows is 

2805
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:55,640
the flip side of that. 
In other words, you're not made 

2806
02:29:55,640 --> 02:29:58,000
a good hand just because you're 
not ambitious. 

2807
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:00,600
You're not made a good hand 
because you're neutral and you 

2808
02:30:00,600 --> 02:30:03,800
didn't want it. 
You can still be a bad hand and 

2809
02:30:03,800 --> 02:30:07,320
not be ambitious and be a 
neutral figure if you're just 

2810
02:30:07,320 --> 02:30:10,360
not good at the job. 
And I think that's what Ryan is.

2811
02:30:10,680 --> 02:30:14,320
Yeah, that's fair, Jamie. 
Was offered the job by Cersei of

2812
02:30:14,320 --> 02:30:16,000
Hand to the king. 
He turned it down. 

2813
02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:19,800
He didn't explicitly think of 
Ryan red wine, but it might have

2814
02:30:19,800 --> 02:30:23,120
been in the back of his mind. 
There were just obvious more 

2815
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:26,320
frontal reasons to decline the 
the the invitation there or the 

2816
02:30:26,360 --> 02:30:30,080
the honor in quotes, but it it 
would be fitting. 

2817
02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:31,680
For Jamie to have. 
That in the back of his mind, 

2818
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:33,880
'cause he would have been taught
about that, he would have known,

2819
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:36,280
you know, that Ryan had that 
brief tenure, his hand. 

2820
02:30:36,280 --> 02:30:39,160
That didn't go well. 
And yeah, go ahead also. 

2821
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:42,040
Well, I was going to add too. 
And again, Jamie obviously 

2822
02:30:42,040 --> 02:30:44,240
doesn't think of this, and part 
of this is probably because 

2823
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:45,800
Georgia Martin wasn't writing at
the time. 

2824
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:49,480
But it's possible that in 
Jamie's mind, the character he's

2825
02:30:49,480 --> 02:30:52,040
thinking, well, Ryan Redwine was
a bad hand. 

2826
02:30:52,040 --> 02:30:54,880
Christian Cole was a bad hand, 
Morrison Waters wasn't a 

2827
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:57,880
particularly great hand. 
So I'm not really sure that 

2828
02:30:57,880 --> 02:31:02,040
there is a good precedent of 
making the Kingsguard or the 

2829
02:31:02,040 --> 02:31:04,920
Lord Commander of the Kingsguard
Hand of the King. 

2830
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:08,880
That's not a role that I want to
take even beyond any personal 

2831
02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:11,640
considerations, yet people seem 
to keep. 

2832
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:13,320
Make them making that mistake 
right? 

2833
02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:15,400
Like they're not learning from 
history. 

2834
02:31:15,760 --> 02:31:19,360
Well, I think it goes back to. 
The Kingsguard should be 

2835
02:31:19,360 --> 02:31:23,840
officially neutral. 
So if they don't have a family 

2836
02:31:23,840 --> 02:31:26,040
that they're trying to advance, 
they don't have personal 

2837
02:31:26,040 --> 02:31:27,320
ambitions, they're trying to 
advance. 

2838
02:31:27,320 --> 02:31:30,240
So of course, why shouldn't we 
promote them because they quote 

2839
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:33,840
UN quote, don't want it? 
I don't think that is really a 

2840
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:36,840
logic that applies. 
Maybe it's true again in the 

2841
02:31:36,840 --> 02:31:39,680
case of someone like Davos, but 
maybe it's not in the case like 

2842
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:43,040
Ryan Barristan. 
Selmy in. 

2843
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:49,000
Closing is perhaps our remaining
best chance to have expansion on

2844
02:31:49,000 --> 02:31:50,840
Ryan, given they have so much in
common. 

2845
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:54,560
Barrison would know about him. 
He certainly would have heard 

2846
02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:58,000
the comparisons in his own life.
People would compare him to 

2847
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:00,520
Ryan, and I would love to see 
his own thoughts on that. 

2848
02:32:00,520 --> 02:32:02,760
If he's like, why do people make
that comparison? 

2849
02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:05,600
I'm not, I'm not like that. 
Or maybe he's like, I'm honored 

2850
02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:08,160
by that or just and he would 
maybe have more detail. 

2851
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:11,240
So it's an opportunity for 
George to expand on Ryan. 

2852
02:32:11,240 --> 02:32:13,080
Just one that came to mind. 
I thought I'd throw that out 

2853
02:32:13,080 --> 02:32:14,920
there. 
It's not the only one, but it's 

2854
02:32:14,920 --> 02:32:17,440
a pretty good one. 
No, I I agree and I. 

2855
02:32:17,440 --> 02:32:20,480
Think that, you know, if I can 
and if I can have a final, a 

2856
02:32:20,480 --> 02:32:24,720
final thought on Ryan. 
It's the idea that Ryan is is 

2857
02:32:24,720 --> 02:32:27,320
the best and worst of what makes
someone a Kingsguard. 

2858
02:32:27,320 --> 02:32:30,360
Yes, obviously, he is 
unquestionably martially 

2859
02:32:30,360 --> 02:32:32,520
talented. 
He's unquestionably talented as 

2860
02:32:32,520 --> 02:32:35,040
a Douster. 
He may be the best there ever 

2861
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:39,000
was certainly among them, but 
he's also someone that is 

2862
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:42,000
willing to obey a really 
terrible order. 

2863
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:46,040
He's willing to turn against his
sworn brother himself and also 

2864
02:32:46,040 --> 02:32:49,240
follow the King's orders on it 
because that's what the king 

2865
02:32:49,240 --> 02:32:51,000
ordered. 
And this is something that 

2866
02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:54,400
ultimately Barristan doesn't 
quite follow what, what 

2867
02:32:54,400 --> 02:32:57,280
Barristan's arc, at least for me
in a in A Dance With Dragons is 

2868
02:32:57,680 --> 02:33:01,040
can you be a good Kingsguard and
depose a king? 

2869
02:33:01,040 --> 02:33:04,640
Bearson eventually decides that 
the answer is yes, if it's a, an

2870
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:07,280
illegitimate king or someone who
shouldn't be king, like his 

2871
02:33:07,280 --> 02:33:09,160
star. 
And so he comes to, he comes to 

2872
02:33:09,160 --> 02:33:11,880
the conclusion on that. 
I don't think there's a world in

2873
02:33:11,880 --> 02:33:14,840
which Ryan Redwine would have 
ever deposed the king. 

2874
02:33:14,920 --> 02:33:19,040
I think that he's thought of 
himself as completely loyal to 

2875
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:22,960
the crown and whatever the king 
told him to do, that's what he 

2876
02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:26,280
was going to do, even if he 
himself, maybe he didn't think 

2877
02:33:26,280 --> 02:33:28,800
he would make a good hand, but 
the king told him to do it. 

2878
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:33,360
So that's what he's going to do.
And if the king tells him to 

2879
02:33:33,720 --> 02:33:36,560
mutilate Luca more strong, 
that's what he's going to do. 

2880
02:33:36,560 --> 02:33:38,600
And it doesn't really matter how
long he's known him. 

2881
02:33:38,600 --> 02:33:42,000
So I think I, I remember writing
a post a really long time ago 

2882
02:33:42,000 --> 02:33:45,480
and it was about kind of the way
in which George R Martin turns 

2883
02:33:45,480 --> 02:33:47,040
virtue into a vice with the 
King's guard. 

2884
02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:49,200
The virtue of the King's guard 
is ultimate loyalty. 

2885
02:33:49,240 --> 02:33:52,360
It's the idea that you give up 
everything, that you are solely 

2886
02:33:52,360 --> 02:33:55,040
devoted to the health and 
welfare of the king. 

2887
02:33:55,240 --> 02:33:57,040
And that should be good. 
That should be exactly what you 

2888
02:33:57,040 --> 02:34:00,920
want from a bodyguard. 
But the flip side to that is the

2889
02:34:00,920 --> 02:34:03,960
ultimate loyalty of doing 
whatever the king wants. 

2890
02:34:04,200 --> 02:34:07,400
And if the king is giving you a 
bad order, an unjust order, a 

2891
02:34:07,400 --> 02:34:09,640
terrible order, do you still 
follow that? 

2892
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:16,000
For Ryan, I think the answer was
always yes, Outro and hot D. 

2893
02:34:16,640 --> 02:34:18,160
Ryan Redwine. 
Did appear. 

2894
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:21,600
In House of the Dragon season 1,
he's only in episode 1 in in 

2895
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:24,720
quite a few scenes he's standing
behind the old King Jerry set 

2896
02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:27,600
the great council in that iconic
shot used on magazine covers 

2897
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:29,040
when the show was first being 
promoted. 

2898
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:31,360
And he's at Emma and Balon's 
funeral. 

2899
02:34:31,360 --> 02:34:34,680
He's at Reinera's pre coronation
ceremony. 

2900
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:37,240
He's he escorts her. 
To. 

2901
02:34:37,400 --> 02:34:40,840
Valerian Shrine. 
When her father is about to tell

2902
02:34:40,840 --> 02:34:43,760
her about the Song of Ice and 
Fire, he steps up to Damon. 

2903
02:34:43,960 --> 02:34:46,640
When Damon is exiled and gets 
all uppity and approaches the 

2904
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:50,640
throne, he announces Allicent In
an earlier scene, which I think 

2905
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:53,520
is his only line. 
In episode 2, it's immediately 

2906
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:55,320
announced that he's passed from 
illness. 

2907
02:34:56,080 --> 02:34:57,720
Illness could be what? 
He died of. 

2908
02:34:57,720 --> 02:34:58,840
In the books, we don't know that
for sure. 

2909
02:34:58,840 --> 02:35:01,800
It's a reasonable thing to put 
on him because he died to sleep.

2910
02:35:01,800 --> 02:35:03,680
That's probably the most likely 
thing. 

2911
02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:06,240
The announcement comes, though, 
when the camera is actually 

2912
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:08,760
focused on a glass of red wine 
being poured, which I thought 

2913
02:35:08,760 --> 02:35:12,360
was pretty cool. 
That was nice. 

2914
02:35:12,360 --> 02:35:13,600
I was like, yeah, red. 
Wine. 

2915
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:15,400
Look at that. 
It wasn't white wine. 

2916
02:35:17,800 --> 02:35:19,440
Because of the show's compressed
timeline. 

2917
02:35:19,440 --> 02:35:21,640
His death is in 112 instead of 
105. 

2918
02:35:21,960 --> 02:35:23,840
Whatever. 
Even though there wasn't much 

2919
02:35:23,840 --> 02:35:27,080
opportunity to show us Ryan's 
personality on the TV show, his 

2920
02:35:27,080 --> 02:35:30,840
appearance reminds us, along 
with the possible opportunity 

2921
02:35:30,840 --> 02:35:33,320
with Barristan. 
Is that any character from the 

2922
02:35:33,320 --> 02:35:35,440
past? 
And obviously those who are 

2923
02:35:35,440 --> 02:35:38,720
still living are subject to 
further discoveries, if not 

2924
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:41,600
stories, a further expansion on 
what we know about them or the 

2925
02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:44,360
era they lived in, failing 
specifics about that particular 

2926
02:35:44,360 --> 02:35:46,480
character. 
And this has the potential to 

2927
02:35:46,480 --> 02:35:50,680
make us rethink any character or
many characters entirely, or at 

2928
02:35:50,680 --> 02:35:53,320
least somewhat. 
Maybe Ryme had a dark side. 

2929
02:35:53,320 --> 02:35:56,440
We explored that a little bit, 
but there's so many other ways 

2930
02:35:56,440 --> 02:35:58,920
he could have had a dark side. 
Maybe he was just a jerk in 

2931
02:35:58,920 --> 02:36:01,840
private, you know, that's not so
bad, but it's possible. 

2932
02:36:02,040 --> 02:36:04,360
Maybe he prayed a lot. 
Maybe he was a zealot, kind of, 

2933
02:36:04,360 --> 02:36:06,120
or maybe he didn't pray much at 
all. 

2934
02:36:06,520 --> 02:36:09,200
Maybe he was actually as lusty 
as Lukomor, but never actually 

2935
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:11,320
broke his vows. 
He kept it inside, which would 

2936
02:36:11,320 --> 02:36:13,280
be a big struggle. 
Maybe he was gay. 

2937
02:36:13,440 --> 02:36:16,080
Maybe he was a teetotaler, which
would be really interesting for 

2938
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:17,720
a person from the Arbor to not 
drink. 

2939
02:36:17,720 --> 02:36:20,240
You know, it might be a way to 
get ahead though, like, well, 

2940
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:22,200
everyone here's a drinker and 
you know, I'll be a little bit 

2941
02:36:22,200 --> 02:36:24,640
faster and quicker, stronger. 
And then because I don't drink, 

2942
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:26,440
you know, maybe you never know, 
right? 

2943
02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:29,280
So these are the sort of traits 
that add depth and conflict to a

2944
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:32,600
character that if rhyme red wine
is expanded on, these are the 

2945
02:36:32,600 --> 02:36:35,560
sort of things that someone, 
George or otherwise, will have 

2946
02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:38,000
to decide what how to fill in 
those blanks. 

2947
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:40,320
And that's that's a fun thing 
because that's part of what we 

2948
02:36:40,320 --> 02:36:42,080
just did was try to fill in 
those blanks. 

2949
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:43,080
And it's very entertaining for 
us. 

2950
02:36:43,080 --> 02:36:46,360
So if someone else does it, I 
hope they enjoy that process 

2951
02:36:46,360 --> 02:36:48,400
because it should be fun. 
And that's it. 

2952
02:36:48,400 --> 02:36:50,480
That's our episode for today. 
I hope you enjoyed it. 

2953
02:36:50,560 --> 02:36:52,880
We mentioned some other of our 
episodes that were connected to 

2954
02:36:52,880 --> 02:36:54,840
this one. 
We mentioned our Baylor, the 

2955
02:36:54,840 --> 02:36:56,120
blessed episodes that we did 
with Nina. 

2956
02:36:56,120 --> 02:36:57,280
Those are really good. 
There's three of them. 

2957
02:36:57,760 --> 02:37:01,120
We also mentioned AIM and the 
Dragon Knight, our Jaharius era 

2958
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:04,240
fire and blood episodes. 
The same goes for egg and the 

2959
02:37:04,240 --> 02:37:07,440
Conqueror and early rain 
episodes, which Ryan would have 

2960
02:37:07,440 --> 02:37:10,320
grown up in or just after rather
a white cloak turned is still 

2961
02:37:10,320 --> 02:37:12,320
white embarrassed and Selmy 
focused episode. 

2962
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:16,160
Our Valar rereadis chapters 
chapter read throughs or 

2963
02:37:16,160 --> 02:37:19,240
analysis on Sansa and John. 
Other characters were related to

2964
02:37:19,240 --> 02:37:21,120
this. 
And of course our Barristan 

2965
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:23,280
winds of winner chapter analysis
as well. 

2966
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:26,120
Thanks so much Nina. 
This was fantastic. 

2967
02:37:26,120 --> 02:37:31,720
You gave us such great insight 
and I'm excited for more topics 

2968
02:37:31,720 --> 02:37:34,280
to explore with you because it 
always goes so well. 

2969
02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:36,160
Oh well, thank you. 
I always I. 

2970
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:39,920
Always love doing this. 
I love sort of random niche 

2971
02:37:39,920 --> 02:37:41,880
topics that you can really delve
into. 

2972
02:37:41,880 --> 02:37:43,960
And I think that that really 
works with Ryan Redwine. 

2973
02:37:43,960 --> 02:37:45,880
So I'll take I'll take the other
one. 

2974
02:37:45,880 --> 02:37:47,000
We'll we'll do this again 
sometime. 

2975
02:37:47,280 --> 02:37:48,800
Yeah, absolutely. 
Once. 

2976
02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:50,440
Again, Nina. 
Was the main writer on this 

2977
02:37:50,440 --> 02:37:53,600
episode probably you know 8085% 
of it was written by her, so 

2978
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:56,000
kudos. 
Clap, clap, clap. 

2979
02:37:56,280 --> 02:37:56,920
I'm. 
At I'm. 

2980
02:37:56,920 --> 02:37:58,920
At least a. 6 on the legend 
scale, that's. 

2981
02:38:00,920 --> 02:38:02,280
Right. 
That's right. 

2982
02:38:02,280 --> 02:38:03,600
That's totally right. 
I'm not. 

2983
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:07,920
I'm actually not. 
Well, thanks everybody. 

2984
02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:10,960
We appreciate your. 
Support and tell your friends if

2985
02:38:10,960 --> 02:38:14,000
you're enjoying our episodes, 
share your favorite episodes 

2986
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:16,920
with them and maybe you'll hook 
them too. 

2987
02:38:16,920 --> 02:38:19,080
And you'll be able to talk about
A Song of Ice and Fire with your

2988
02:38:19,080 --> 02:38:21,160
friends even more often like we 
do. 

2989
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:24,440
Thanks once again to Nina on 
behalf of Ashea. 

2990
02:38:24,440 --> 02:38:27,440
I'm Aziz. 
Also thanks to Joey Townsend for

2991
02:38:27,440 --> 02:38:29,880
our music, Michael Klarfeld for 
our video intro. 

2992
02:38:30,120 --> 02:38:31,920
You can get his maps at his 
website. 

2993
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:34,560
Find that in the description and
you know what to do. 

2994
02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:35,160
Till next time.