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Hello my fellow Westorians, 
welcome to Valariritas for 

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Dunkin Egg. 
Let's see what today brings us a

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my fellow Westorians and a 
dancing Sean of House Beard. 

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What are you drinking today, my 
friend? 

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This Rita actually said I should
bring drink something bright red

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for Aryan Bright flames. 
This is a mango juice mixed with

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the naked strawberry banana 
drink mixed with the watermelon 

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Mountain Dew and it's delicious.
It is really good. 

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I would try that if I was still 
drinking soda. 

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Well, let's see, today we've got
a lot of fun stuff. 

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Last time we talked about a 
variety of topics. 

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This time we're going to be 
moving on to the challenge, the 

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sigil, the shield, the quote UN 
quote accident that was not an 

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accident. 
Lots more comparisons, a few 

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house histories. 
As usual, there's a lot to cover

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and we're going to have a lot of
fun along the way. 

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Thanks to Nina. 
Good Queen Alley with 

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1l.tumblr.com. 
Her thoughts are throughout this

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We've got a lot of great takes 

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from her mixed in with ours. 
Together we create a lot of 

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interesting concepts to discuss 
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this or other episodes, other 
topics, anything you want 

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really. 
Aziz, I have a question. 

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OK, let's get right to it. 
What is your question? 

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What is your shirt? 
2 Suns, 2 moons. 

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This is the quartered. 
This is the sigil of House 

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Tarth. 
This is Brienne's. 

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Yeah. 
I thought that was appropriate. 

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Huh. 
I can't see your shirt. 

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What do you What do you have on?
This is a mash up of The 

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Beatles, the Abbey Road, and of 
the Cowboy Bebop characters. 

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Nice. 
Very, very cool. 

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What's the Shay? 
Got going on over there. 

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I'm wearing a Jackie Daytona 
regular human bartender shirt. 

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If you don't. 
Get that reference. 

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That's from What We Do in the 
Shadows, which is a hilarious 

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show slash movie. 
It started as a movie and became

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a show. 
You made a show out of it. 

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Yeah, when you met when, when a 
movie is good enough to to spin 

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off into a show that that says a
lot. 

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So yeah. 
Well, let's start with the 

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rejection and the acceptance. 
And at the end of the acceptance

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is when Dunk goes back to his 
pavilion and we'll talk about 

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Egg and the sigil. 
So we'll start with Makar 

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saying, why would you deign the 
joust with a hedge knife? 

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And so it's it's immediately 
taking us back to this place of 

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how much separation, how much 
classism is in place. 

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Like, why would you deign the 
joust with the head knife? 

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It's not kind of an odd 
question, right? 

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I mean, it's a tournament. 
Like you get. 

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Paired up against him, what's he
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joust this man? 
Maybe it's that known that you 

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manipulate the pairings that you
like, make sure you don't face 

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anyone unworthy in the first 
round or whatever, you know, 

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make are just assumed that 
Baylor would do. 

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That, you know, you never 
thought through it. 

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He's like, why wait? 
Why were you fighting it? 

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Like that's that never happens. 
What's what? 

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What's? 
Strange set of circumstances LED

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you to be facing a hegemet, But 
Baylor, of course, is plays it 

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off as he seems to do somewhat 
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Obviously we don't have a lot of
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throughout this story anyway, 
he's pretty chivalrous. 

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He takes the comment and stride 
doesn't be like what a strange 

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comment, brother. 
You know, he just says, well, I 

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want to learn about all my foes 
and you know, he he gets it. 

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We we talk about how Makar is so
much like Stannis, but in this 

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moment, it's almost like the 
opposite because it's like maker

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Stannis would be the one you 
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sword is sharp in whoever's 
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It's, it's wielded like, you 
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Like his, his birth doesn't 
determine how sharp his sword is

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or how skilled he is. 
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matters. 
Absolutely. 

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Like some of these Knights have 
been training since they were 

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kids because they could afford 
to and that matters. 

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Let me ask a question here real 
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How old is approximately? 
Could you guess how old Baylor 

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Makar are at this point? 
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We don't have to guess. 
We have precise numbers on them.

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Let's see. 
Makar was, if I remember, I 

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don't have it in front of me, 
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the Blackfyre Rebellion at the 
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He might. 
Maybe he was 21. 

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He was either 18 or 20. 
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I think Makar was 18. 
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now. 
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say early 30s right now. 
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Stannis at the time of Game of 
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That's also about his age. 
A little about the same age A. 

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Little bit older I think like 
early. 

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Mid 30s. 
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was 24 and Stannis was 39 and 
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experience in life might have 
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But if they're about the same 
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I, I don't think that, I'm 
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never quite got to this level 
where they were throwing, people

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were throwing matches to them in
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that, right? 
Like not, I guess the 

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circumstances may not even come 
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I mean, Renly did some jousting,
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already like, no, you shouldn't 
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saw what happened. 
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to enter the melee. 
Cersei tried to con him through 

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reverse psychology into doing 
exactly that. 

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I mean, we already see everyone 
throwing it to Lionel Baratheon.

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That's funny. 
I like Lionel is a a, a a great 

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pivot here because he's 
obviously so similar to to his 

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ancestor or his descendant 
Robert. 

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But it's the same kind of thing 
where you think even this guy 

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isn't really that chivalrous. 
Like he's not unchivalrous, but 

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is it really chivalrous to laugh
at your opponent? 

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Like. 
Like before you're like, you're 

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just like, like this guy 
challenged me. 

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Bah, he's just laughing the 
whole time. 

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I mean, and then he get then we 
get to that part where he's 

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knocking their like fancy hood 
ornaments off their helmets and 

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throwing it into the crowd. 
Like, I mean, I I like that it's

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he's basically Robin Hooding 
their helmets, but I don't know 

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if that counts as chivalrous 
like looting them during the 

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tournament. 
A lot of the things he's doing 

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is making him more popular or 
famous, even even if they're not

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as chivalrous necessarily. 
He's not doing anything 

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specifically not chivalrous. 
Like a lot of times you sort of 

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associate a level of maybe 
professionalism or stoicism with

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chivalry. 
Is that necessarily part of it, 

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right. 
Yeah, that's true. 

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So, but so. 
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why someone might not think 
Lionel is chivalrous, but he 

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isn't necessarily not 
chivalrous, but one or the 

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other. 
He's making himself more 

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popular. 
So one of the things that Dunk 

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brings up when he's trying to 
convince them, if we if we recap

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real quickly, he bring he talks 
to man for Don Darien 1st and 

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talks about how he squired for 
Sir Arlen and Arlen was part of 

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the army that went to go into 
Dorne to fight the Vulture King.

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Well, there's been a couple of 
Vulture kings, but this was a 

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particularly notable example. 
This wasn't that long ago, only 

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a few years ago, he says three 
years past. 

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And well, that might not have 
been the best thing to bring up.

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Like it worked like you'd think 
it was like I like in a vacuum 

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in a nutshell, you would be 
like, yeah, this is a smart 

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thing to bring up a connection, 
but this, there's a lot of ill 

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will around this whole thing. 
the Vulture King was a pretty 

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substantial rebellion. 
It's very hard to believe that 

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he didn't have support from some
of the other Lords who didn't 

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support him openly, right? 
They didn't openly back him 

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because that would make them 
rebels too. 

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But he did so well and had so 
many men and wasn't contained 

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like it's it's the local Dornish
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It fell to the Iron Throne, even
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So there's a lot of ill will 
over this. 

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It's kind of suspicious that he 
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And there's they had to go into 
Dorn and and fight in the red 

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bounds, which is a really 
horrible place to to have a 

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campaign. 
So I don't know. 

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He may have lost some some 
people. 

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He may not like thinking about 
it. 

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He may like, yeah, that was a 
whole big cluster, FA lot of 

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negativity around that event. 
And it may remind him of of the 

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unease that still exists between
Dorn and the rest of the realm. 

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Because as we've been over 
several times, this is in that 

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interim period where there's 
still a lot of ill will on both 

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sides. 
And it's just coming like it's 

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going to take a generation or 
two before these things kind of 

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smooth out. 
Aziz is cluster F kind of like 

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control F. 
It is, yeah. 

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You're kind of like just trying 
to trying to find. 

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It's maybe like the opposite of 
control F cluster F, yeah. 

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It's control Z, yeah, cluster Z,
But also this is another like 

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speaking on on terms of like 
chivalry and the feudal 

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responsibility of a Lord to 
their vassals. 

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Like this is pretty crappy what 
Manfred does here. 

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Like, it's not strict here. 
Like Dunk isn't his business. 

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It's not his responsibility. 
But usually when you're like, 

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hey, my master fought for you. 
Usually that's supposed to be a 

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thing to to say, hey, OK, good 
job. 

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You know, like, I appreciate 
that you're supposed to at least

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be nice to the guy, right. 
So this is kind of it's it's 

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kind of odd or it's just more of
this classism, like just get 

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away from me rope belt, man, you
know? 

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Yeah, I was gonna say it 
probably if Dunk had shining 

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armor on, you know, he might 
have like, oh, yes, come join 

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me. 
Of course I remember Arlene. 

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Yeah, but when he present, the 
way he's presenting himself, the

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same guy, if he had seen Dunk, 
well, I was going to say the 

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same guy if he had seen Dunk 
perform in the tournament, might

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have been like, actually Dunk 
keeps losing right away. 

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It's pretty unfortunate. 
It's kind of sad. 

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It's like, yeah, this guy was, 
these are the kind of men that 

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you rely on to, to fill out your
armies and to to go when things 

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get tough. 
You add hedge nights and free 

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riders. 
And these other guys, they 

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they're an important part of the
army. 

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Maybe not the core of it, but 
they, they certainly bleed and 

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sweat and and die alongside your
regular men. 

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So yeah, this is lack of respect
is really notable. 

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And this is one of the things I 
really want to focus on this 

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episode, the Brienne 
connections. 

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Now, when you compare Dunk to 
Brienne, and of course, there's 

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just the infinite connections we
can make. 

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They both have social issues to 
overcome. 

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For Brienne, it's her gender, 
quite obviously. 

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She's accepted quote, UN quote, 
accepted in quotes, not fully 

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accepted, but because of her 
birth, because she's noble, they

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can't outright reject her. 
They don't tell her to leave. 

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They just make it miserable for 
her so that she'll want to leave

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on her own. 
But she's just so tough and and 

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determined that it doesn't work.
She's like, yeah, make fun of me

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all you want. 
I'm not going anywhere for Dunk.

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It's obviously not his gender, 
it's his birth. 

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It's the opposite. 
It's the gender is is, is the 

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issue that gets thrown in 
Brienne's face and Dunk. 

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No one's making fun of him for 
being a man. 

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being poor and for being 

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uneducated and, and lowborn and 
all that. 

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So it's a different flavor of 
rejection, but it, you know, you

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can make a lot of draw a lot of 
comparisons between those two. 

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I was just thinking a minute ago
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Baratheons and Chivalry, how 
there's similar, like one has 

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one and the other has the other 
and they end up facing similar 

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dilemmas or being judged 
similarly or whatever. 

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I was thinking about Robert and 
Stannis, how Robert is not very 

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chivalrous. 
Right. 

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But kind of like Lionel, he's 
popular. 

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He does things to make him play.
He's a great warrior. 

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He's kind of boisterous. 
He he even like pardons enemies.

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You know, he does a lot of 
things to make him popular. 

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But in the meantime, he's 
cheating on his wife. 

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He's drunk. 
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chivalrous. 
I think he's pretty adherent to 

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the code of chivalry, but he's 
terse. 

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He's mean and cold. 
So he's not popular even though 

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he is chivalrous. 
It's and I think Martin is likes

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to play around with like having 
2 characters with with certain 

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elements that are opposed to 
each other but but still 

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creating a parallel at the same 
time and. 

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I would say like, obviously 
there's some things that Robert 

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is chivalrous about something 
Stannis isn't. 

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Like Stannis is like the 
tarseness, I think, like being 

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polite is a function of 
chivalry, I think, and and being

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kind to your beaten foe. 
I think that's chivalrous too. 

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But you're right. 
But you're right. 

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But you're absolutely right. 
The examples. 

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It's not like Robert has no 
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epitome of it, but generally 
speaking I think Stannis has 

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more than Robert, but Robert is 
more popular than Stannis. 

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Right. 
And these aren't these aren't 

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like distinct concepts. 
I don't like there's some book 

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of chivalry that clearly defines
what is and isn't chivalry. 

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It's very much in the eye of the
beholder and the the way we rate

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them within that framework. 
Like some people might really 

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value the politeness as a 
function of chivalry, but some 

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people might think that's, ah, 
that's lower down on the the 

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most important thing is to 
protect, you know, peoples to 

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be, you know, stand up for 
what's right. 

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like Dunk perhaps did the most 
important nightly thing there is

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here, standing up for someone 
who couldn't stand up for 

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themselves against someone that 
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like Brienne does. 
And perhaps if we could try to 

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get at what makes chivalry, 
what's the most bullseye concept

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amongst that group of ideas, it 
might be that what would you, 

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what would you think? 
Is there something else come to 

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mind for you or did you kind of 
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I, I kind of agree with that. 
I was going to say it's very 

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easy to be chivalrous among a 
bunch of other chivalrous 

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people, OK, right. 
When everyone is nice and kind 

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and helpful and they're hanging 
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But when all of a sudden you 
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right? 
It's, it's tougher to be 

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chivalrous in some situations 
than other. 

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And those are the truly 
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You know when you do it, when 
you're really being tested and 

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do it anyway, I think that's. 
That's a great point because, 

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yeah, when it's just times of 
peace, it's real easy to be, to 

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be all polite and friendly and 
just like, yeah, we get, we all 

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get along. 
Yeah, look how you know. 

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But yeah, when something goes 
wrong, that's when the real test

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comes. 
And yeah, like Dunk, the real 

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test came to Dunk. 
And, well, I guess you'd have to

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say he passed. 
I mean, he was lucky to survive 

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it. 
This is a a little abstract 

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maybe, but if all of the Knights
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they would probably all be 
closer to Dunk. 

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They'd be closer to hedge 
Knights. 

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They would be like, I don't 
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Salvation Army. 
They wouldn't be like running 

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tournaments, seeing who can 
attack each other with sticks 

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better. 
They'd be out with poor people, 

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helping them plow their farms 
and teaching them how to read, 

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you know? 
Yeah, boughs of poverty are 

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absolutely a thing that a lot of
religious folk think is not just

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not just religious folk, but 
that's certainly is associated 

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with a lot of religious monks. 
It's a really big common thing 

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with, with monks of all sorts of
systems to yeah, to to live in 

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virtual poverty or complete 
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that. 
One of my and you don't have to.

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Necessarily be in complete 
poverty, but you also don't have

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to have every outfit be worth 
the entire possessions of of of 

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a poor of you know, of a local 
farmer or whatever. 

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You know, you could put some of 
at least your time into helping 

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those people, if not some of 
your wealth. 

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You know what? 
That's a. 

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Really, that's something that 
that was a really good line in 

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the show was when the High 
Sparrow points out like how 

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expensive Marjorie's dress was, 
Like how many thousands of hours

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did someone spend making that? 
Like how many hours of Labor? 

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I thought that was a really 
poignant way to do it. 

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That was a good line. 
And it's here. 

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You're right. 
Like that really comes up here. 

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Like how many how much wealth 
goes into just one of those, 

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like, helmets that got like, how
many people could be fed for 

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like, the silver on just one 
fancy helmet like that? 

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Yeah. 
So. 

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Yeah, the, the income inequality
in Westeros is really just off 

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the charts, but that's, it's a 
that's reflective of several 

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different periods in real 
history throughout the world, 

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not just including modern. 
Times, you know, Absolutely, 

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yeah. 
Absolutely. 

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No doubt. 
No doubt. 

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Yeah, it it's funny too. 
Just as a side note here, 

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Baylor, he's got more ability to
be a peacemaker. 

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He outranks everybody except his
father. 

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So like, if he's like, hey, 
y'all chill, they're going to be

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like, OK, we'll chill, but not 
just because he's making a good 

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point, but because of who he is.
Like yeah, the Prince is telling

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us to chill. 
I guess we should chill. 

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If if someone like dunk would be
like, hey yo, chill, it'd be 

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like shut up hedge night, you 
know, like it just he. 

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Could make the. 
Exact same points, the exact 

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same truth. 
Cite the exact same evidence and

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they'd still be like, shut up, 
hedge knight. 

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It's easy to blow it. 
Off. 

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Yeah, they would. 
Stop listening before the 1st 

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sentence is done right. 
Like they would. 

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They're hackles are raised. 
They're already resisting it 

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right there are like only thing 
they've been taught about class 

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starts to come before he's even 
done speaking right? 

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Looks like this reaction. 
Yeah. 

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So it's neat that Baylor is the 
peacemaker, though in another 

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sense, because that was his. 
That was like the point of his 

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marriage, the parent, his 
parents marriage, not his 

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marriage. 
Like he's the product of 

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Targaryen marrying Dorn and he 
really is embodying it in a lot 

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of ways instead of the 
interesting. 

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Thing you got to think about is 
how much was Baylor raised to 

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play this role versus Makar? 
That's a good point 'cause. 

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He's the first, maybe, 
naturally. 

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They were just better and worse 
people. 

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But but you got to imagine some 
amount of Baylor's whole life 

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was preparing him for this 
roles. 

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Yeah, that's a really good. 
Point after all, like we we've 

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seen the first born son is very 
often like given not just the 

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responsibility of carrying the 
family name, but carrying on the

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the family ideals like you 
complete my work son you know 

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that kind of thing. 
A carry on house tasks or 

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whatever, carry on my legacy, 
that sort of thing. 

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And, and yeah, and, and Daron, 
right. 

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Baylor's father was carrying on 
Baylor the Blessed's legacy. 

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And that's an extreme legacy of 
peace. 

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I mean, talk about a, a peaceful
guy there. 

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You really can't get any more 
peaceful than Baylor the 

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Blessed. 
His attitude towards peace was 

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arguably a little insane, but 
still you you kind of appreciate

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it anyway. 
I was just thinking about the 

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idea of like carrying on legacy,
how Egg's mother, she was 

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Danish. 
Right. 

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Yeah, she was from Danish. 
Yeah, she was from House Dane, 

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Yes, and. 
Egg recommends Dunk put the the 

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falling star on his shield. 
Yeah, yeah, you're. 

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Right. 
So actually that's a good segue 

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because if you recall someone in
the books, I can't remember who 

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it was mocked. 
I think Tom. 

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O sevens for rhyming carry on 
with Don Darian and you just 

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said carry on the legacy. 
So and our our next topic is the

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Don Darian sigil, which is a 
segue to dunk sigil and the 

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falling star with House Dane and
all that. 

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So well played, Sean. 
You've done well. 

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Yeah. 
This story of House Dandarian is

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like a lot of founding myths. 
It's kind of hard to believe 

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that it really happened like 
that. 

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But I don't know that the point 
isn't whether it really happened

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or not. 
The point is, I think, to 

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provide us with some symbolic 
resonance. 

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I mean, you can take from it 
what you want, but there's this 

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very similar aspect to the 
Shooting Star and this lightning

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kind of out of nowhere because 
like this lightning, it saved 

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this. 
This messenger, right? 

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It was hugely important. 
It saved House Bandarian as 

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well, or saved this, the Storm 
King. 

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Likewise, you wrote later in the
document that this arguably this

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is the luckiest thing. 
Like meeting Egg was the 

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luckiest thing Dunk could have 
happened, and he's realizing it 

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right as he is. 
Yeah, seeing. 

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The the shooting star, so it's a
real similar, you know, like a 

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bolt to purple, like purple 
lightning a bolt from the blue, 

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it's like bolt from the purple a
message. 

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From the sky, yeah. 
So it's. 

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Really neat because that there's
so much about the sigils here 

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that George just adds this this 
extra character that he's kind 

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of a jerk. 
We love his ancestor. 

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His ancestor Berrick is great. 
Like, he's a great character and

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he's very nightly, right? 
Like Berrick, extremely nightly.

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Like one of the best examples of
someone that has nightly ideals 

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in the main series that is also 
like highborn, you know, that's,

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you know, Brienne's obviously 
top example, I would think, or 

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one of the top examples. 
But Barack Dondarian, right? 

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He's a really good example of 
he's like, Nope, we got to fight

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for these people. 
These common folk need our help.

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Yeah, he his. 
I don't know loyalty to or 

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instructions from some higher 
report some higher. 

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Lord or power or whatever. 
Are less relevant to him to the 

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fundamental duties of an act 
yeah, and but it but. 

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For him it's both too, because 
Robert, they're like carrying on

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the orders from their king, 
right? 

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And the king were well, but like
even when the king. 

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'S gone. 
It doesn't matter. 

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I'm still doing. 
The king told me to do the right

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thing. 
I'm still doing it whether he's 

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there or not. 
Yeah, the King is more like. 

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That's supporting their argument
rather than necessarily the main

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thing that they're about. 
You're right. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
You know this. 

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Is a little tangent too, but I 
just can't help but thinking 

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about like the lightning bolt 
and the shooting star and, and 

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even early we talked about like 
how in this world as an Ivanhoe,

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there's this legitimate belief 
in the power of God and, and in 

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in this world that we are more 
certain of the reality of 

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mystical happenings than in our 
world. 

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But even in our world, all our 
religions are full of stories of

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people walking on water and 
lightning bolts from the sky and

446
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320
stuff like that. 
Carl Sagan talked about the idea

447
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,800
just kind of like imagining 
early humankind. 

448
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,840
It kind of makes sense that we 
would come up with the idea of 

449
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,160
God's being in the sky because 
think of how mystifying once we 

450
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,320
can start to understand 
eventually after thousands of 

451
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,640
years, how weather and 
electricity and the circulation 

452
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,160
of the sun and everything make 
we can make sense of it all. 

453
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,520
But it must have been just 
completely baffling and what's 

454
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,280
happening in the heavens, you 
know, and how it comes down and 

455
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,160
affects us. 
It makes sense that we came up 

456
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,760
with the idea of gods up in the 
sky controlling our destinies 

457
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,320
and such. 
And even as society gets more 

458
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,840
evolved and develops culture and
certain understanding, we still 

459
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,520
look to messages from the sky of
lightning bolts and shooting 

460
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,000
stars to our luck or our omens 
for when what we should do with 

461
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,120
crops, etcetera, etcetera. 
Yeah, you're right. 

462
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:27,840
Yeah, it's true. 
It is. 

463
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:32,280
If you really try to sit back 
and think about it is like try 

464
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,720
to put yourself in the place of 
ancient mankind, ancient 

465
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,840
humankind, ancient people. 
Yeah. 

466
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,440
What's what's going on up there?
How do you? 

467
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,080
How do you? 
See lightning and not think 

468
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,880
that's magic? 
Yeah, like what? 

469
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,160
The hell is that? 
Yeah, like, you got to call it 

470
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,920
something. 
And yeah, like, well, gods, 

471
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,920
sure, why not? 
Yeah, one point, Carl. 

472
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,280
Sagan made He was like, imagine 
if you're sitting at your 

473
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,720
campfire, you're a little. 
Tribe. 

474
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,680
Off in a distance, miles away, 
there's some other tribe sitting

475
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,040
at their campfire. 
It would look like just a little

476
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,360
speck of light in a distance 
when you look up in the sky. 

477
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,320
So contraspects of light in a 
distance, those must be 

478
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,720
campfires of some magical beings
that just can float in the air, 

479
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,400
you know? 
And you know, just like a lot of

480
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,320
these things, they came. 
Someone invented a reason long 

481
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,560
ago and and that got passed down
from father and mother to son 

482
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,120
and daughter and just kept on 
going. 

483
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,680
And you know, a lot of and even 
some. 

484
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,760
Suspicious, skeptical young kid.
Like, what argument do you have 

485
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,760
against him? 
Like, I guess there are gods up 

486
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,480
in the sky. 
Yeah. 

487
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:35,040
You could like the. 
Idea of like proving it you know

488
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,560
evidence first is didn't 
necessarily. 

489
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,520
So when? 
He goes back to his camp. 

490
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,880
Of course he's got eggs sitting 
there and like eggs just being a

491
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,040
Squire. 
He's like, look, I'm going to be

492
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,320
a Squire. 
I'm your Squire and I'm going to

493
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,200
prove it to you. 
And look, man, you need a 

494
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,280
Squire. 
Look at you. 

495
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,840
Come on, you need me. 
It's pretty. 

496
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,880
Effective. 
It's like this combination of 

497
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,680
pointing to the obvious and just
being stubborn. 

498
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,600
Just kind of knowing that you 
know he's going to win this 

499
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,240
argument like he's going to 
convince this guy like he's his 

500
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,480
points are too strong. 
Also, he's just, he's got this 

501
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,880
attitude because he's a Prince 
himself who never forget AG is a

502
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520
Prince and it's one of the, you 
know, recurring things that 

503
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,040
happens. 
He says what's on his mind. 

504
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,920
He says blunt truths partly 
because he's the. 4th. 

505
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,440
Son of a king like this is, it's
like Jerry and Lannister, if you

506
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,040
remember him, that he's the the 
the youngest of Tywin's 

507
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,680
brothers. 
He's the one that just was 

508
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,560
sarcastic and just commented on 
everything because like he's the

509
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,640
youngest. 
There's all these, everyone's 

510
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,160
taking all the good jobs. 
You know, Tywin just looms over 

511
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,520
everyone Say he's just like sits
back and comments on everything.

512
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,760
We've seen this trope before. 
The rich kid who's like not the 

513
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,720
first born, He's like big 
family. 

514
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,800
And he just is like kind of 
aloof and just, you know, says 

515
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,120
the what's really happening 
because why not? 

516
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,920
No one's going to stop him. 
He's got this sort of 

517
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,240
interesting perch to look down 
on everyone and really see 

518
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,200
what's happening, but without 
the day-to-day constant like 

519
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,360
you're going to be the next this
or that. 

520
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,240
You know, it's like this kind of
in between state. 

521
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,320
They're like thinking about egg 
that way. 

522
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,160
He has enough. 
Power in position to not be too 

523
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,000
worried about getting in 
trouble, but not enough power in

524
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,640
position to feel responsible 
for, right? 

525
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,440
Like if. 
Baylor out here, you know, 

526
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,600
insulting people, it's a bigger 
problem than Makar or even 

527
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,320
Aryan. 
Like, like what Aryan gets away 

528
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,920
with is wild compared to what 
Baylor doesn't, just the way he 

529
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,280
behaves. 
So like, he doesn't try to get 

530
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,440
away with much at all 
apparently. 

531
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,120
But if Aryan was the first born,
you'd be sure that there would 

532
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,920
be some consternation. 
So here's a. 

533
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,840
Quote What's your? 
Name Dunk, he said. 

534
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,720
The wretched boy laughed aloud, 
as if that was the funniest 

535
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,560
thing he'd ever heard. 
Dunk, he said. 

536
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,160
Sir Dunk, That's the name for a 
knight, Is it? 

537
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,960
Short for Duncan, was it? 
The old man had called him Dunk 

538
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,760
for as long as he could recall 
and do not remember much of his 

539
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,440
life before. 
Isn't that wild? 

540
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,360
To think about like he doesn't 
know his own name. 

541
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,680
I mean, it's one thing to be 
like he doesn't know exactly how

542
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,440
old he is. 
You can kind of get that because

543
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,760
like, hey, Westeros doesn't have
birth certificates and oh, they 

544
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,960
do have dates, but they don't 
have a Census Bureau or a place 

545
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,880
that keeps all this information.
Most families just they they 

546
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,200
might have dates, but. 
They don't have days of the 

547
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,800
week, do they? 
They have hours. 

548
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,400
It's. 
Something I saw someone point 

549
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,280
out that I that ever since I 
realized I don't think they ever

550
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,400
say Tuesday or Monday they. 
Don't. 

551
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,200
Yeah, sometimes. 
They'll say a week from now or 

552
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,200
or a fortnight, but I don't 
think they have days of the 

553
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,960
week. 
Yeah, I don't think they do 

554
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,360
either. 
So Theon of course would be very

555
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,200
disappointed. 
You have to know your name, 

556
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,400
right? 
You know so. 

557
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,640
Don't but the only person who'd.
Be more disappointed is Rick I 

558
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,400
but I think. 
One of the ways they do it is 

559
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,040
just by moons. 
Yeah. 

560
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,400
The moon? 
Sort of, yeah. 5. 

561
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,800
Of of moon 5, you know, more of 
a moon, yeah. 

562
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,120
More of a monthly cycle rather 
than a weekly cycle I guess. 

563
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,960
They may not even think of week 
like a week may not. 

564
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Do they even have that 
designation of week? 

565
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,680
It may not. 
Yeah, I don't. 

566
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,520
Know week is. 
Like that, that's not 

567
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,560
necessarily even a category of 
they have that. 

568
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,640
Yeah, they have. 
Like Fortnite and weeks and 

569
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,440
Moon's turn and, you know, 
tomorrow. 

570
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,800
Yeah, clearly it's not something
I've. 

571
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,520
Ever looked into specifically 
Dunk? 

572
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,440
It's just another irony, another
reversal. 

573
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,800
Dunk is trying to distinguish 
himself. 

574
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Egg is trying to undistinguish 
himself. 

575
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,400
He's like, no, I want to be less
like that. 

576
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,640
You want to be more like that? 
I want to be less like that. 

577
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,080
Junk is a strong, healthy near 
adult, you know, young man. 

578
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,320
Yeah, I got. 
To find some work. 

579
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,440
Egg is like a little kid, a rich
little kid. 

580
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,360
He's like, I got a job. 
Yeah, yeah, that's true. 

581
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:08,960
Now here comes my favorite quote
of the whole book. 

582
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,440
Whole novella, I think. 
Oh wow. 

583
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,680
Yeah, I love this. 
Quote. 

584
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Egg soon fell asleep beside the 
dying fire. 

585
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,760
Dunklin is back nearby, his big 
hands behind his head, gazing up

586
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,440
at the night sky. 
He could hear distant music from

587
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,120
the turning grounds half a mile 
away. 

588
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200
The stars were everywhere, 
thousands and thousands of them.

589
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,120
One fellas. 
He was watching bright green 

590
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,200
streak that flashed across the 
black, then was gone. 

591
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,720
Falling Star brings luck to him.
Who sees it, Dunk thought. 

592
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,200
But the rest of them are all in 
their pavilions by now, staring 

593
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,360
up at silk instead of sky, so 
that like, it's mine alone. 

594
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Yeah, I, I. 
Just love it in part because 

595
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,240
this is part of his emotional 
intelligence that we talked 

596
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,720
about last time that he finds 
ways to get confident. 

597
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,640
You know, this is this of 
confidence is a form of 

598
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,400
emotional intelligence and he's 
looking for he's he's using like

599
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,040
creative thinking to give 
himself a mental edge, right? 

600
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,320
And he believes it. 
He's not just like working 

601
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,800
himself up. 
This is something he feels, it's

602
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,880
something that he trusts, this 
instinct. 

603
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600
It's not like telling yourself 
something that you don't really 

604
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,720
believe, you know, like I'm, I'm
brave, you know, I'm, you know, 

605
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,960
I'm ready for this, you know, 
like psyching yourself up. 

606
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,360
This. 
He seems to sincerely believe 

607
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,400
this, at least the way it's 
written. 

608
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,560
That's how I took it. 
I love this. 

609
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,400
Just this attitude of showing 
reasons why his situation is 

610
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,760
better than someone who's rich 
and and potentially corrupted by

611
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,720
that wealth. 
He's like, look, he's looking on

612
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,720
the bright side, right? 
And you can't see the bright 

613
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,000
side when you're in a tent. 
Like the brightness of that star

614
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,760
is only visible to him because 
of his scenario. 

615
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,200
So like it's the epitome of 
looking on the bright side, 

616
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,560
right? 
He's like, well, I don't have 

617
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,680
these things they have, but I. 
Have. 

618
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,280
This instead, and it's a really 
great thing, so I'm really happy

619
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,680
with that. 
Yeah, I also like the idea that 

620
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,160
Dunk is. 
It's like giving some value to 

621
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,000
his lack of wealth or whatever, 
right? 

622
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,880
He's out under the stars. 
Everyone else has their fancy 

623
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,840
tents, but they're missing out 
on real experience that the 

624
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,160
potential for luck or whatever. 
Also, I see a note here that 

625
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,120
I've got it backwards that Dunk 
wanted the falling star Egg 

626
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760
pointed out the Elm tree. 
I guess that's a note that Nina 

627
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,120
made. 
So yeah, I think and. 

628
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,920
That's I guess that's important 
because egg. 

629
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,200
As we talked. 
About he doesn't have a huge 

630
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,600
connection to his his Dane 
family. 

631
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,120
Given his mother died young, he 
may not have. 

632
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,440
He may have known her very 
little at all like he. 

633
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,320
Maybe she died when he was like 
2. 

634
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,160
Maybe. 
Even younger than that. 

635
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,880
Not much younger obviously, I 
just. 

636
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,440
Wanted to take note of Aryan, 
how hateful he is to the Dornish

637
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,160
there despite his mother being 
Dornish. 

638
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,280
Which also made me wonder how 
well he knew her. 

639
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,160
You know he wouldn't have been 
that old. 

640
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,840
Maybe when she died. 
That's a good point. 

641
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,440
I wonder if maybe he wants to 
distance himself from the dorm. 

642
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760
Like maybe he's, like, 
frustrated that his mother was 

643
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,760
dormant. 
Yeah, I think he maybe. 

644
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Could have some self hatred 
there as well I'm sure. 

645
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,320
It's possible he'd got made fun 
of or teased for it perhaps, but

646
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,200
there had been a, you know, some
Dornish intermarriage at that 

647
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,800
point. 
I feel like the Targaryens 

648
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,880
wouldn't have been too mean to 
each other about Dornish love. 

649
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,480
It's yeah, it. 
Is interesting. 

650
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Yeah. 
Like it might be more painful in

651
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,000
some ways because it depends. 
It just really depends. 

652
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,720
We just don't know. 
It might be less painful. 

653
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,320
I'll use myself as an example. 
I have, I have half siblings 

654
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,160
because my mother and father had
me when I when they were young 

655
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,000
and then they, they split up and
he when my father had kids with 

656
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,720
another woman. 
I don't really have a lot of ill

657
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,880
will towards my father because I
never knew him. 

658
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,920
I have no memory of him at all. 
I've never met him. 

659
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,280
He was gone when I was six 
months old. 

660
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,360
My siblings who are three of 
them and in particular have the 

661
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,400
same mother and he left them 
also, but they were of an age to

662
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,560
remember it. 
So they have, you know, much 

663
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,520
stronger feelings on the matter 
because they remember it 

664
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,240
happening. 
And the age at which that 

665
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,240
happens is the age at which you 
have to process it. 

666
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,240
You don't, obviously you can't 
just like, I'm going to think 

667
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,240
about this five years from now. 
No, you think about it when your

668
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200
mom or dad leaves, that's when 
that's when it hits you. 

669
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,800
So the age you're at is like, 
what formative stage are you at 

670
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,480
when this hugely impactful event
in your life happens? 

671
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,520
And that's, yeah, that's a 
problem for us here because we 

672
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,880
just don't know. 
With egg, we can estimate 

673
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,080
because he's only a certain age.
It had to be within this certain

674
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,320
time frame. 
But we so we can be very sure 

675
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,920
that his brothers had more time 
with their mother and may have 

676
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,160
known them and and and would 
have had potentially much 

677
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,520
stronger bonds with her. 
And yeah. 

678
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,360
And we also just don't know what
kind of person she was. 

679
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,760
For all we know, she sucked. 
You know she may have been 

680
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,360
asked. 
Like I assume. 

681
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,160
She was decent, but I think 
that's just because I have a 

682
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,400
Dane bias for like, there's no 
reason to. 

683
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Yeah, she was more like. 
Dark Star, That's where Aryan 

684
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,640
got all of this. 
Like that is, it's also it's. 

685
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Also possible that maybe she 
wasn't necessarily terrible, but

686
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,720
she might not have been excited 
about this marriage. 

687
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,360
She might have been forced into 
this marriage, she might have 

688
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,120
loved someone else. 
This marriage is arranged by her

689
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,560
parents. 
She's doing what she has to do, 

690
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,199
but she doesn't like it. 
Maybe turn to alcohol in that 

691
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,120
Cersei if she's kind of scenario
or something, you know that is. 

692
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,719
What happened with the prior 
generation? 

693
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,920
In fact, Aegon the unlikely, 
Aegon the 4th, right? 

694
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,760
He's the one that had all the 
bastards, all the great 

695
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,719
bastards, Damon Blackfyre being 
one of them. 

696
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,199
So he basically is responsible 
for the Blackfyre rebellions 

697
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,360
because he legitimize Damon and 
all that. 

698
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,639
His. 
Mother is left when they were 

699
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,000
really young. 
She was from lease and she did 

700
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,400
not like Westeros and Westeros 
didn't really like her. 

701
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,000
There was some stuff early in 
her life where they tried to, 

702
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,600
you know, she was part of the 
secret siege. 

703
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,520
She was trapped in the Red Keep 
when there was a coup attempt 

704
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,400
and all this other stuff, and 
she left and her kids didn't 

705
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,840
like that as you wouldn't think,
right? 

706
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,680
Like Amon, Amon the Dragon 
Knight and Aegon the Unlikely, 

707
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,520
or Aegon the Aegon the Unworthy.
Like that had to have a huge 

708
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,160
impact on them too. 
And it may be part of why Aegon 

709
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,960
the the Unworthy was such a bad 
king. 

710
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,720
You can't pin it all on his 
mother, obviously. 

711
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,320
That's a bit much. 
OK, let's move on. 

712
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,920
That was a pretty good little 
diversion, but so the actual 

713
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,680
decision of the shield, like the
she, he goes to get the shield 

714
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,040
painted. 
Baylor tells Dunk that you can't

715
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,560
inherit Arlen's arms because 
you're not his son. 

716
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Now, actually, Baylor is 
probably exaggerating what's law

717
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,440
and what's custom. 
But when Baylor directly tells 

718
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,600
you this, you're not going to. 
You can't. 

719
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

720
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,760
He's like, Oh well, he it's sort
of all an ass. 

721
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,400
It's like, OK, you. 
Just told me what how it works 

722
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160
so. 
So he basically has been told 

723
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,440
you can't use that signal and so
he has to choose something the 

724
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,760
color of sunset because Arlen 
likes sunsets. 

725
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,280
That's just that gets you in the
fields there. 

726
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,320
He's trying to maintain, 
preserve some of who Sir Arlen 

727
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,600
was. 
He wants to commemorate. 

728
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,320
I think commemorate is probably 
the right word here. 

729
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,520
So he is sort of taking this 
rule of not using this previous 

730
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,280
sigil, but we see like it'd be 
inspiring. 

731
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,760
It's inspired by the previous 
sigil. 

732
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,240
That's the kind of thing we see 
all over. 

733
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,640
We've seen like people take on 
new sigils based on something 

734
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,360
that happened, like Raleigh 
Duckfield, who is a great 

735
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,960
example because he's apparel to 
duck in so many ways. 

736
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,440
His thing as well. 
I was in a field and I looked up

737
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,800
and there were ducks. 
So Ducks. 

738
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,240
Feel like. 
It's you. 

739
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,080
It's. 
Sometimes it's more creative 

740
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,120
than that. 
Oh, actually, it's usually. 

741
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,080
More. 
Creative than that, because 

742
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,200
that's about as you can at least
be more. 

743
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,840
Embellished than that it could 
have been Hawkfield or something

744
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,640
it. 
Doesn't have to be a. 

745
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,280
Compound word man, you can do 
it. 

746
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Could be a little. 
More basically. 

747
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,480
The epitome of the the trope and
TV where someone can't come up 

748
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,760
with their name so they just 
like their eyes. 

749
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,320
Go look around the room and 
they're like my name is a Shan 

750
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,600
guitar light. 
What's the name of your dentist?

751
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Doctor Krentice sounds a lot 
like. 

752
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,880
Maybe that's why he became a. 
Dentist, Yeah. 

753
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,560
So, yeah, totally. 
So this, this really, this fits 

754
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,800
really well. 
You feel that like this is this 

755
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,520
is sort of chivalrous. 
He's carrying on the tradition 

756
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,000
of the man who taught him. 
He's paying homage to the guy 

757
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,440
that made him what he is, the 
guy that pulled him out of the 

758
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000
gutters and maybe didn't enrich 
him, but gave him enough to work

759
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,640
with, right? 
The man that taught him pretty 

760
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,120
much everything he knows, the 
guy that gave him a chance in 

761
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,480
life. 
So of course you want to, you 

762
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,040
know, remember that and be 
inspired by that and, and trying

763
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400
to remember the man that that 
was basically his father, you 

764
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,560
know. 
And that's what all these. 

765
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Houses do all these famous 
houses. 

766
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,160
That's a big thing is like we're
carrying on the traditions of 

767
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,840
our ancestors. 
Dunk is he's capturing the soul 

768
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,280
of that by remembering the 
person instead of this this 

769
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,520
house that contains these 
people, right. 

770
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,680
And As for the Elm tree itself, 
it's pretty, pretty perfect as a

771
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,520
symbol as well for the sigil. 
After all, he's sleeping under 

772
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,320
this tree. 
It it really says hedge knight. 

773
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,520
I mean, it's not a hedge, it's a
tree, but it's it's just one 

774
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,840
step up. 
I guess you know, it's one of 

775
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,040
the nicer trees, you know? 
There's also maybe. 

776
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,400
Some allusion to the idea of 
being rooted. 

777
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,680
That it, it it's, you know, the 
core's fundamental dunks. 

778
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Fundamental values are very 
strong and rooted Earthly, yeah.

779
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:51,280
Yeah, that's a good way to put 
it. 

780
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,160
A man of the earth to the. 
Ground and the earth more so 

781
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,040
than to some castle or some 
weapon or whatever else. 

782
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,600
Yeah, that's a good. 
Point it's it reminds us of 

783
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,480
what's his name, Septon 
Maribald, who just lived off the

784
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,480
land. 
In fact, he didn't. 

785
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,840
Like literally didn't even wear 
shoes. 

786
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,560
So like talk? 
About close to the earth, that 

787
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,280
guy was taking it to another 
level. 

788
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,280
But you know, just much as we 
respect Septon Maribald, it's 

789
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,880
some of these same things are 
here with Dunk. 

790
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,640
It's like, obviously Maribald's 
been doing his thing for decades

791
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,800
and dunks just getting started, 
but you see some of the same 

792
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,360
sort of elements in that or 
maybe a better example be elder 

793
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,360
brother the the because he used 
to be a knight, the one that's 

794
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,440
and Brienne meets elder brother 
and and Sandor, of course. 

795
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,480
So that's also pretty fitting, I
think, to bring him up because 

796
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,720
he's a really big guy. 
Like Brienne looks at him and 

797
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:42,640
he's like, well, this guy used 
to be a warrior and then he just

798
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,320
goes on and makes some points 
back exactly like that. 

799
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,680
And Maribald was a warrior too. 
He has that describes that story

800
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,080
where he his friends were all 
under equipped, but they were 

801
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,280
excited about battle and it all 
went terrible and he was 

802
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,720
basically the only one that 
survived. 

803
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,920
And yeah. 
That's. 

804
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,840
The other side of living close 
to the earth is. 

805
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,720
Getting. 
Forced to fight for a 'cause you

806
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:11,280
don't understand or believe in 
or even have all the information

807
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,600
on and then all of a sudden 
you're which donk also. 

808
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,800
Experiences, you're right. 
And then all of a sudden. 

809
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,560
You're on someone else's side. 
You're like, Nope, now you're on

810
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,720
my side because I said so. 
And yeah, more of that in the 

811
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,160
next story of Duncan Egg that 
gets brought up a little more 

812
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,520
with those peasants who are 
like, wait, who are we fighting?

813
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,160
What? 
What is going on here? 

814
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Yeah. 
Really that that concept really 

815
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,040
gets brought out even more there
now and and another great point 

816
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,280
here from Nina by including the 
shooting star, Dunk 

817
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,200
distinguishes himself from other
hedge Knights. 

818
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,120
There must there might be 
thousands of hedge Knights 

819
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,000
roaming the seven kingdoms, but 
only he had received its luck. 

820
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,120
This tourney would fundamentally
change Dunk's life. 

821
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,920
Like he did get lucky. 
It looked bad, like bad luck, 

822
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,680
but a number of lucky things 
that totally set his career 

823
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,920
going forward happened within 
this like 24 hour span here 

824
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,320
Baylor should. 
Have been sleeping outside. 

825
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:01,720
He did need a little. 
More luck I think. 

826
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,200
Yep, it was. 
Definitely not his. 

827
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,520
Good luck. 
But on Brienne's. 

828
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,760
Side, let's talk about Brienne 
for a second. 

829
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,520
We know that this is how we 
know. 

830
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,320
Let's let's go through the 
connection here. 

831
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,560
So in case some of you all 
aren't familiar with why 

832
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,320
Brienne's shield scene is so 
important. 

833
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:26,160
So first of all, Brienne is 
confronted by Sir Ellifer, who 

834
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,320
has been part of our cast of 
characters in this discussion. 

835
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,280
In our first episode. 
We brought him up because he is 

836
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,800
an actual hedge knight, Sir. 
Ellifer crooked a Bony finger at

837
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,840
her shield. 
There was paint was cracked and 

838
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,040
peeling. 
The device wore. 

839
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,320
It showed plain black bat on a 
field divided bend, bend wise 

840
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,720
silver and gold. 
You bear a liar shield to which 

841
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,080
you have no right. 
My grandfather's grandfather 

842
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,000
helped kill the last of Loston. 
None since has dared show that 

843
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Bat Black is the deeds of them 
that bore it. 

844
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Well, first of all. 
Ella, first grandfather's 

845
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,960
grandfather should be around 
around this time if he if he 

846
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,640
helped put the Lostons down. 
That's only about that's only 

847
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,120
about 20 years from from this 
point, about 2324 years. 

848
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,960
So that dude was probably 
already alive. 

849
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,720
Maybe he was just born or 
something like that. 

850
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,200
But yeah, that's just drawing a 
little connecting dot here. 

851
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,400
So what happens is Jamie gets 
this shield, this this shield of

852
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,160
house lofsten, which is hard to 
say, and gives it to Brienne. 

853
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,800
Then Brienne carries it to 
Maiden Pool where she's told, 

854
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,440
you know, that's sigil's, you 
know, that's a bad sigil. 

855
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,640
And this is, of course, Sir 
Illifer says the same thing 

856
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,520
before she gets there. 
So she's like, I'm going to get 

857
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,680
it painted. 
And that's a really important 

858
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,280
moment because she says, I want 
to get it painted. 

859
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,040
And the person at the gate is 
like, oh, really. 

860
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,600
Well, my sister does painting. 
So that was a good thing for her

861
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,080
to say because this guy can now 
do his sister a solid and send 

862
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,040
her some business, which is 
exactly what happens. 

863
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,920
And so she remembers. 
And here's the moment, Here's 

864
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,440
the quote where she has this 
thought. 

865
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,880
The arms. 
Of charts were quartered rose 

866
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,640
and Azure and bore a yellow sun 
and Crescent moon. 

867
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,080
But so long as men believes her 
to be a murderous Rin dare not 

868
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,160
carry them. 
Rodor reminds me of an old 

869
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,160
shield I once saw in my father's
Armory. 

870
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,320
She described the arms as best 
she could recall them. 

871
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,080
It was. 
More a picture than a proper 

872
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,000
coat of arms, and the side of it
took her back through the long 

873
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,120
years to the cool dark of her 
father's Armory. 

874
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,120
She remembered how she'd run her
fingertips across the cracked 

875
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,480
and fading paint, over the green
leaves of the tree, and along 

876
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,680
the path of the falling *. 
They really spoke. 

877
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,800
To her, she was really into this
shield, she really liked it. 

878
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:45,560
And we're supposed to linger on 
it as readers, to maybe let it 

879
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,400
sink in or have it realize, have
us realize one day that this is 

880
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,360
the exact same shield that we 
were just described by Dung 

881
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,760
Sigil here. 
Interesting in. 

882
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,600
The next book, Lady Rohan does 
the same thing. 

883
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,880
She kind of flirting with Dunk, 
rubs her fingers across the the 

884
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,040
sigil on his chest. 
And also interesting convenience

885
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,040
of someone for both of them 
being right there. 

886
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,240
Oh, I can paint a shield. 
You know, like both of them, 

887
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,440
Dunk and Brienne both had that 
convenient artist on hand. 

888
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,480
Yeah, true. 
Like it it forced in a city like

889
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,200
in a town like Mayden Pool, of 
course there would be 1, but it 

890
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,640
the coincidence of being the 
gate guard's sisters that's. 

891
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,800
That's where that comes. 
Up and then you put and then 

892
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,400
like here at a tournament, 
there's going to be some 

893
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,280
painters, but you know, 
apparently. 

894
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,800
Women. 
Yeah, I. 

895
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,120
Guess so seem to do this. 
Painting a lot. 

896
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,920
It's not a manly. 
Job. 

897
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,080
The world. 
Needs more painters. 

898
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,520
My grandmother was a painter. 
Our house is folded with her 

899
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:50,080
fold filled with her art. 
Speaking of Brienne, another 

900
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,200
thing that they have in common, 
Brienne's big. 

901
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,680
She's people say big for a 
woman, but no, she's just big 

902
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,600
period, right? 
She's larger than most men and 

903
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,960
which does make her big for a 
woman, but let's put it in 

904
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,800
perspective. 
She's just big period. 

905
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,920
Dunk is also just big period. 
But also for a man this big, 

906
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,920
almost everyone is smaller than 
Dunk. 

907
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,800
What's interesting is to me as 
well is that we don't have that 

908
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,600
POV in A Song of Ice and Fire. 
When you think of A Song of Ice 

909
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,840
and Fire, who's the largest 
person that we have Apov from? 

910
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,200
It's probably Brienne. 
Like that. 

911
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,160
Yeah. 
Like, like, physically the 

912
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,760
largest person is her. 
Which doesn't exactly tell us 

913
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,040
what it's like to be a large man
in this setting, because a large

914
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,640
man gets respected, whereas 
Brienne gets looked down on for 

915
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,880
being a freak of nature. 
Now, we readers don't look at 

916
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,880
her that way. 
At least I hope we don't, But in

917
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,560
world she's not her size doesn't
make people don't. 

918
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,280
It's the totally different 
reaction. 

919
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,320
People look at tongue like, oh, 
this guy is big and strong, like

920
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,840
we can make use of him. 
Where for Brienne it's like 

921
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,160
what's wrong with her? 
Like it's so backwards, but it 

922
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,360
still comes out in actual 
fighting the the advantages they

923
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,720
have. 
One of Brienne's advantages is 

924
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,640
that she's taught to play 
defence because these guys will 

925
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,480
tire themselves out trying to 
beat her quickly because it'll 

926
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,600
they don't want it. 
Sad that a woman tested them. 

927
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,800
Now of course that's not a thing
for Dunk at all, although it is 

928
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,040
a little bit because they don't 
want it. 

929
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,080
Said that a hedge knife tested 
someone like Baylor doesn't 

930
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,440
care. 
Although he was clear to point 

931
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,760
out no, it was 4 lances, not 7. 
So there's still a. 

932
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,160
Little bit of pride in there, 
but of course that's also just 

933
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,880
truth, apparently. 
Just truth, but there is still 

934
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,240
like that same attitude, like 
you don't want it said that a 

935
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,720
hedge knight tested you. 
Perhaps the best example of this

936
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,360
that I can think of, Ron, not a 
hedge knight, but may as well 

937
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,000
be. 
When he goes up, he's like a 

938
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,080
step down. 
He's a cell source, so when? 

939
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,920
He goes up against Sir Vardis 
Egan. 

940
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,400
Think about. 
How confident all the Knights 

941
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,600
were. 
They're like, oh, this is going 

942
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,440
to be easy. 
Serve artists no problem. 

943
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Like Bron, this this Bron 
character, he's doomed. 

944
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,680
Like he's just a cell sword. 
You know when there's a bunch of

945
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,720
them and they can gang up on 
you, then they're dangerous. 

946
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,160
But one-on-one off. 
Please. 

947
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Please like their prejudice is 
over is so over the top it's 

948
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,240
wild how much it distorts their 
view of reality. 

949
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,200
Like no, this guy's sword is 
just as sharp. 

950
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,120
I mean, he might be better at 
fighting. 

951
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,440
Like how why is he better at 
fighting? 

952
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,360
Because the he's he's not as 
rich. 

953
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,280
Like it just doesn't make any 
damn sense. 

954
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,320
He's had to do more. 
Of it, yeah. 

955
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,800
You're right, it's almost the 
opposite. 

956
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,080
Yeah, wish we brought this up. 
When I had my bron shirt on last

957
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,760
Bron just. 
Has brains and Bron. 

958
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,080
Nice. 
Nice. 

959
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Imagine if he also had Bran 
brains. 

960
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:52,480
Bran and Bran. 
Triple threat, but this? 

961
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,320
Ignores some of the advantages 
these characters have. 

962
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,240
Like, right, yeah, Braun has the
advantage of knowing how to 

963
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,680
fight dirty. 
These Knights look down on them.

964
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,840
Quote UN quote. 
Dirty, right? 

965
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,960
They look down. 
On it, even though it's an 

966
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,280
advantage, it's like it's a 
strange. 

967
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,360
Distortion. 
Of reality. 

968
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,280
Like it's it's really hard to 
you really illuminate these 

969
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,440
blind spots. 
They look really silly, right? 

970
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,520
But it's not unrealistic because
this seems to be reflected by a 

971
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,560
lots of things in the real world
that people just look down on 

972
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,080
for no good reason, just because
of what it's it's in the package

973
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,120
it's wrapped up in. 
You know, it's not quite this 

974
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,040
simple, but our friend Rudy one 
time pointed out you know who 

975
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,720
wins a fight? 
The person who? 

976
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,480
Realizes it's a fight first. 
Like when you really. 

977
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,760
With the person realizes, they 
call it we're going to kill each

978
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,720
other. 
The person who realizes that 

979
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:43,960
first, that's who's going to 
win. 

980
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,240
Now obviously if if one person's
7 foot 280 lbs and the other 

981
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:52,040
one's 5 foot 120 lbs, maybe 
that's not true, but assuming 

982
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,760
it's a near close match 
otherwise. 

983
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,920
And also think about the idea of
like fighting dirty, how Knights

984
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:03,920
might look down like they have 
to be hypocritical to not no one

985
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,400
did anything dirtier than Aryan,
right? 

986
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,440
That's like by far the dirtiest 
thing I could think of that 

987
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,960
anyone did like maybe some 
dirtiness. 

988
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,960
I can we see in the future, you 
know Thor, what's his under leaf

989
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,600
or whatever, fixing the rounds 
and stuff. 

990
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,240
Maybe that's as dirty as killing
the horse, but I don't even 

991
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,400
think so. 
Yeah, I agree with you. 

992
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,200
Even Loris. 
Even Loris. 

993
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,840
Is it? 
Is that a dirty trick using that

994
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,440
the Marin heats? 
You know, like I have that as 

995
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,240
an. 
Item to talk about. 

996
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,320
We'll come back to that. 
So I think, yeah, I think it is.

997
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,080
I mean, it is a trick. 
It's it's not as bad as killing 

998
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,160
the horse, although it did 
result in the horse being killed

999
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,040
indirectly. 
Thanks to Gregor. 

1000
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,880
But I don't blame Loris for. 
That and some of these maybe are

1001
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,880
a little different in the 
tournament, right, when there's 

1002
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,160
sort of it's a sort of a 
different set of rules than when

1003
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,600
you get to like the fight to the
death, the trial by combat, you 

1004
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,640
know, maybe it's a little bit 
certain rules are out the window

1005
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,000
or whatever, but. 
Yeah, I mean. 

1006
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,600
Dunk himself thinks about how 
he's fighting dirty in that that

1007
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,320
trial by combat, that trial by 
7, right? 

1008
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,280
But like you say, that is a 
fight to the death. 

1009
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,560
I don't really think it's that 
dirty. 

1010
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,480
Yeah, yeah. 
Like, except that they were 

1011
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:17,080
they. 
Were dirty. 

1012
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,600
And alive. 
Yeah, they were. 

1013
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,520
Dirty from rolling around, Yeah,
yeah. 

1014
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,680
Exactly. 
So there's another sort of, 

1015
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,960
there's a, a couple of bits of 
history in here. 

1016
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,840
Obviously we, we talked about 
the sigil stuff, but there's 

1017
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,120
also this Florian and John Keel 
story. 

1018
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:38,920
This is important setup because,
well, this central conflict 

1019
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:46,080
really starts because of Tansel 
being attacked by Aryan and the 

1020
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,920
Florian Junkil story is has a 
lot of parallels to this. 

1021
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,480
Now, the Florian Junkil story 
isn't super well understood. 

1022
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,640
It's the details of it aren't. 
It's more of the gist of it is 

1023
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,920
what people respond to rather 
than the details, right. 

1024
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,040
Florian is a lowborn, maybe a 
knight. 

1025
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,600
He's called a knight, but it's a
good example of where it's it's 

1026
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,520
probably historical revisionism 
because the Florian Junkil story

1027
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,920
is way predates knighthood. 
So it's, it's like, it's not 

1028
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,080
even like you can, maybe you 
can, maybe the, the timelines 

1029
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,800
are off of it now. 
It's they'd have to be way off 

1030
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,680
for him to be a knight. 
But that's just how it reflects 

1031
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,160
how stories change with the 
time. 

1032
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,480
Great example, the actual Iliad,
Homer's Iliad. 

1033
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,880
There's obvious anachronisms in 
Homer's version of the story, 

1034
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,160
which is a pretty strong 
evidence is pretty strong 

1035
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,240
evidence that he changed the 
story to suit his audience. 

1036
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,400
Like a specific example is I 
think I'd even cited this before

1037
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,040
is the burials like the way they
do burials like his he the way 

1038
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,440
he cited burials was 
anachronistic to the way to the 

1039
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,960
Greeks of the era of the Trojan 
War, but he was describing 

1040
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,280
current birth practice or 
current funeral practices. 

1041
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,080
So just one example of many 
historical revisionism is the 

1042
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,240
point being very common details 
like that are added on the Sir. 

1043
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,920
All you have to do is add a Sir 
to to change, you know, to 

1044
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,640
really just like tweak the story
here. 

1045
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,280
But but the central line of the 
story is all men are fools and 

1046
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,600
all men are nights where women 
are concerned. 

1047
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,120
And. 
That's a way to say, you know, 

1048
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,360
in this case, he's can be her 
rescuer, but he can also be, you

1049
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,640
know, her idiot or be like Aryan
or there's a lot of ways to 

1050
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,000
interpret that. 
I think there's it's so, so wide

1051
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,440
open that I'm not trying to say 
this is the only way to 

1052
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,480
interpret it. 
Did you have an interpretation 

1053
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,160
of that line, Sean, or anything 
that that brings out you? 

1054
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,920
Maybe the idea that sometimes 
there's a fine line, you know, 

1055
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,080
between being chivalrous and 
being foolish. 

1056
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,680
You know, that you sometimes 
some higher ideal can lose sight

1057
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,440
of the, the needs of reality or 
something like that. 

1058
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,200
But, and, and, and you can, 
like, put yourself in harm's 

1059
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,840
way, you know, for the sake of a
woman or some higher cause, or 

1060
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,400
whether it's foolish or 
chivalrous. 

1061
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,280
Sometimes it's hard to say. 
It's also important to remember 

1062
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,320
that the Florian and John Keel 
story, it takes place, the 

1063
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,680
legendary event of their meeting
takes place at Maidenpool, which

1064
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,120
of course we've brought up 
Maidenpool several times. 

1065
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,400
Brienne goes to Maidenpool. 
It's one of the reasons George 

1066
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,680
has her go there, probably to 
make all this work nicely or to 

1067
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,360
make it work even more. 
Of course, that's not crucial to

1068
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,160
any of this, but it's, it's 
nice. 

1069
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,160
It's it's a nice dot connecting.
And it's part of. 

1070
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,560
You know, Brienne's journey sort
of being like a hedge knife. 

1071
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,440
You know, she's on the trail 
without exactly knowing where 

1072
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,080
the trail is. 
A few other historical notes 

1073
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,560
here. 
So we're about to see Abelar 

1074
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,080
Hightower. 
Abelar Hightower is going to be 

1075
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,640
one of the guys that loses to 
Valar, quite possibly on 

1076
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,120
purpose. 
Abelar could either be the 

1077
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,760
father or grandfather maybe. 
Of course he could be. 

1078
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,600
You never know when a Lord dies 
without sons and it passes to a 

1079
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,880
brother or something like that. 
But we have a historical note 

1080
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,560
from around this time. 
Not long after, the Gray Plague 

1081
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,320
is going to hit Old Town. 
When? 

1082
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:13,960
Paisel is a boy at the Citadel, 
which is probably only about 10,

1083
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,920
maybe 20 years from now that 
Paisel was born in 216. 

1084
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,480
So Paisel's born 7 years from 
this, from this, where we're at 

1085
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,960
now, and this Quentin Hightower,
who would be either this maybe 

1086
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,280
the grandson or son of this 
Abelar, is the one who burned 

1087
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,840
all the ships at port, closed 
the gates, wouldn't let anyone 

1088
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,240
leave, which was the right thing
to do. 

1089
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,880
It was quarantine, right? 
If he had let people leave, this

1090
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,400
plague could have spread all 
over. 

1091
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,280
But he was killed for this. 
He did the right thing and was 

1092
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,760
killed for it. 
This is a. 

1093
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,640
Great example of. 
Sort of high. 

1094
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,880
Level chivalry, even though it's
caused a lot of suffering, it 

1095
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,920
prevented more suffering. 
Dunk is a is a parallel here, 

1096
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,560
right? 
He did the right thing and it 

1097
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:03,960
all, and it almost got him 
killed. 

1098
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,600
He was. 
He got lucky and was saved by 

1099
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,080
it. 
Quentin, not so much. 

1100
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,520
He was murdered. 
Of course, you're named Quentin 

1101
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,080
in this story. 
You tend to have you tend to 

1102
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,920
have bad luck whether you do the
right. 

1103
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,520
Yeah. 
So you're on. 

1104
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:18,000
And this is a different. 
Spelling of Quentin too. 

1105
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,120
This is Quentan rather than 
Quentin, but Oh well, doesn't. 

1106
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,920
You can't fool the gods with 
little things like that. 

1107
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,120
Yeah, that's one of. 
Those things the Reach and the 

1108
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,040
Dornish fight about. 
Where the Y belongs? 

1109
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,320
Yeah. 
Why do they fight over that? 

1110
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,040
Why the where belongs? 
So the reason we bring up John 

1111
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,040
Keel and Florian, of course, is 
that's one of the not only does 

1112
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,760
it have a bunch of parallels 
here, but it's one of the puppet

1113
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,960
shows that Tansel is throwing. 
She also has of course Nymeria 

1114
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,080
and the 10,000 ships now. 
Nina suggests. 

1115
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,680
Nymeria is maybe a bit of a 
Dornish nationalist tale but 

1116
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,480
it's not anti. 
It's not anti 7 kingdoms because

1117
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,480
Nymeria didn't tussle with. 
The rest of. 

1118
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,360
Westeros, that we know of. 
She was too busy uniting Dorn 

1119
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:10,600
and that's pretty cool that she 
did that, but there wasn't any a

1120
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,880
lot of infighting with with the 
Seven Kingdoms. 

1121
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,800
I guess it mostly would have 
been conflicts with the Reach 

1122
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,480
and the Storm Lands as as it had
been for so long. 

1123
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,920
So. 
That's maybe interesting too, 

1124
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,000
but it's maybe even despite the 
fact that it's not that Nymeria 

1125
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:32,760
was an antagonistic or a foe to 
the Reach, it's still probably 

1126
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,160
not the kind of character 
that's. 

1127
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,880
That people from the Reach. 
Are interested in you know what 

1128
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,920
I mean? 
Like maybe this isn't. 

1129
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,600
The right. 
Show for this audience, not that

1130
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,800
it's offensive, the target, the 
the one that gets Aryan, that 

1131
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,040
one, you know, maybe that one 
is, but this is still this. 

1132
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,120
I don't know this this. 
Maybe she didn't maybe consider 

1133
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,240
her audience she was playing 
with. 

1134
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:01,920
Fire, Yeah. 
So let's take. 

1135
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,000
A few more examples from the 
joust itself. 

1136
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,720
So there is this great like 
interplay of of we've, we've 

1137
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:09,400
talked about it a few times 
here, we've touched on it where 

1138
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,440
chivalry doesn't always look 
like chivalry. 

1139
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,280
Sometimes it looks chivalrous 
when it's not. 

1140
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,960
And. 
Loris, you brought up Loris and 

1141
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,880
that's a great example. 
Like Sansa? 

1142
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,000
Came out of that. 
Thinking Loris was even more 

1143
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:28,120
noble than he was before, even 
though he used a trick because 

1144
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,600
he came out looking great, he 
surrendered to the guy that 

1145
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,440
saved his life He looked 
horrible right he was riding 

1146
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,520
really well and then the guy 
saves his life and he's like, 

1147
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,600
you win. 
You know like I'm not going to I

1148
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,280
can't challenge you you're the 
winner. 

1149
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,400
So it's it looks really noble, 
but it's also like you might 

1150
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,320
have just lost I mean like 
Sandor might have just beaten 

1151
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,680
you anyway like you just took a 
sword to the chest. 

1152
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,760
You're probably not at 100% 
anymore. 

1153
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:58,720
Like it, it's gracious, but it's
also strategic, you know, and 

1154
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,320
it's like, I'm going to look 
really good here. 

1155
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,960
Like I'm going to look super 
chivalrous here. 

1156
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,480
My trick's not going to work 
again because it's, you know, 

1157
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,520
like these other. 
It's a win, win. 

1158
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,960
Yeah, it looks great. 
It like being he comes out 

1159
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,480
looking great, doesn't have to 
fight another match. 

1160
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,400
Yeah, like arguably he comes out
looking better than Sandor 

1161
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,600
because he's he's Loris, he's 
pretty and and fancy and Sandor 

1162
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,880
is Sandor already. 
Has a couple strikes against him

1163
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,080
Loris already has a couple 
notches on the plus side, so it 

1164
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,280
reinforces the the what people 
already kind of think you know 

1165
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,560
now think about what. 
Sandor said to. 

1166
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:43,080
I guess it was to to, I'm not 
sure, but he said Gregor's Lance

1167
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:48,280
goes where Gregor wants it to. 
He is sure sure that the killing

1168
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,960
of Sir Hugh of the Veil was not 
an accident. 

1169
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,680
Of course, this is part of 
feeding the plot to thinking it 

1170
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,480
was a conspiracy that someone 
ordered Gregor to kill Sir Hugh.

1171
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,720
Now we that turns out to be red 
herring. 

1172
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,760
Gregor saw an opportunity to 
kill someone and did it. 

1173
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,640
That seems to be really the end 
of it. 

1174
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,880
He saw loose gorget, saw a 
little spot he could get, and 

1175
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,440
did it. 
Now consider that. 

1176
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,200
Consider how accurate these 
lances can be in in someone's 

1177
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,160
skilled hands. 
And think about what Leo 

1178
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,600
Longthorne, the ancestor of 
Loris, who is mentioned a couple

1179
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,480
of times in the main series, 
specifically knocks the helmet 

1180
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,400
off of the Gray lion, right? 
And the Gray lions, like, all 

1181
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,600
right, I'm not fighting anymore 
because I don't have a helmet. 

1182
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,240
And that's dangerous as hell to 
be flying around with these 

1183
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,320
lances that are designed to 
splinter, right? 

1184
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:41,680
These lances are designed to 
break. 

1185
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,640
Nina writes that Henry the 
Second of France died the same 

1186
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,200
way. 
Like a splinter from a Lance 

1187
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,400
entering his eye, right? 
Going into his brain, there was 

1188
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,520
apparently a man in 2007 who 
died from in a jousting 

1189
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,960
reenactment because of a Lance 
splinter. 

1190
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,920
And and Nina also writes, there 
was a Hungarian knight named 

1191
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,160
Gregor Baci who Sir, apparently 
survived for a year after taking

1192
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,080
a Lance through the eye and out 
the back of his head. 

1193
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,760
Oh. 
My his name is. 

1194
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,520
Gregor of course, that's fitting
that this a guy that took a 

1195
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,360
wound that should kill him and 
it's still alive. 

1196
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:21,160
That seems to fit here. 
So that's so. 

1197
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,880
You've got all these examples of
these guys like, oh, it wasn't 

1198
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,880
an accident like multiple cases 
where these guys are just very 

1199
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,200
accurate with where they stick 
their Lance. 

1200
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,160
Well, that sounded euphemistic, 
but. 

1201
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,040
So. 
When we have this example of 

1202
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:40,000
Robin Ristling, he had, he's the
guy that had lost an eye and 

1203
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,040
he's up here like not giving up 
because he maybe understands 

1204
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,320
what's happening. 
He understands, perhaps, that 

1205
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,520
Leo Longthorne is doing this to 
get people to surrender to him. 

1206
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,240
He's not. 
It's not chivalrous at all. 

1207
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,280
They're like he's making this 
dangerous for them so that they 

1208
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,640
have to quit. 
It's like a. 

1209
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:00,960
Dirty trick. 
Man. 

1210
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,840
Yeah, like this. 
We're supposed to believe this. 

1211
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,560
Like amazing jouster is 
repeatedly accidentally knocking

1212
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,600
their helmets off like. 
'Cause he knocks off. 

1213
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:13,680
Like what A. 
Coincidence. 

1214
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,240
Yeah, it happens like. 
Two or three times so. 

1215
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,120
You know, it, it reminds me a 
little bit it, it seems like 

1216
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,360
it's so wild galloping on a 
horse against someone else, 

1217
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,480
galloping on a horse this long 
lands. 

1218
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,200
You're trying to aim to be able 
to be that precise. 

1219
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,680
But if you work hard enough at 
it, I mean, it seems crazy to me

1220
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,240
how accurate baseball pitchers 
can be and batters for that 

1221
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,800
matter, that they're like, you 
know, trying to get in like a 

1222
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,760
within centimeters with a 
certain spin, at a certain 

1223
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,760
moment, with a curve, all these 
things, it, it seems just 

1224
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,080
impossible. 
But it's actually almost 

1225
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,760
scientific, you know, and, and 
if you, if you become 

1226
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,160
professional, if you work hard 
and long enough, it's something.

1227
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,920
And and that by the same token, 
it kind of makes me feel like 

1228
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:58,600
the. 
Powers of being a. 

1229
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,160
Baseball should know when 
someone hit someone with a ball,

1230
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,920
they know what they're doing. 
That wasn't an accident. 

1231
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,360
You should get in big trouble 
for that. 

1232
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,560
Tournaments may be the same 
thing. 

1233
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,920
Yeah, you should. 
I feel like it should be like. 

1234
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,720
Someone gets their night. 
Helmet knocked off and feel like

1235
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,520
the other person should be 
getting disqualified, you know 

1236
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,200
what I mean as it is, sometimes 
they. 

1237
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,880
Do you're right, but and, and 
it's it's the the thing that 

1238
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,760
happens is we, we brought this 
up with archery before that some

1239
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,200
of the best Archers in the 
ancient world were in their 40s.

1240
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,440
They weren't the young men. 
Sure, the younger guys and 

1241
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,680
occasionally women have more 
stamina because they're younger,

1242
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,200
right? 
But that accuracy that like 

1243
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,120
doing something really, really, 
really hard, like moving and 

1244
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:42,120
shooting a bow at a moving 
target, like the level of 

1245
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,120
practice you need to do that 
well is you just never stop. 

1246
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,040
You never master it. 
You never truly master it. 

1247
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,680
Like your, your physical 
capacity diminishes before you 

1248
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,600
can ever truly master it. 
But you can become so good at it

1249
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,680
that you're a human level 
master, you know what I mean? 

1250
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,800
Yeah, that's a bit of a tangent.
But you're right, like these, 

1251
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,120
these nights, the ones who can 
afford it, which is a difference

1252
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,520
between heads, Knights and some 
others, They're like Loris. 

1253
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,840
He says it. 
In the. 

1254
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,920
Show it's another one where he 
has a pretty good line there. 

1255
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,280
He's talking to talking to 
Renley and Renley's like you're 

1256
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,560
so talented. 
He's like yeah, I'm talented but

1257
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,120
I practice every damn day. 
I got on that horse every day 

1258
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,680
and I rode every day and I put 
that Lance in my hand every day.

1259
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,320
Yes, I'm talented. 
Yes, I'm rich, but I practice 

1260
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,840
hard. 
I also worked my ass. 

1261
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,520
I didn't just get lucky. 
Yeah. 

1262
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,480
He's a conflict. 
Influence of those things. 

1263
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,320
He's not a lazy overachiever. 
He worked hard, definitely has a

1264
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,680
ton of privilege, but he also 
didn't squander it, right? 

1265
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,280
Yeah. 
If he hadn't been born into that

1266
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:50,520
privilege but had the same 
drive, he might be an expert, or

1267
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,320
still maybe a great. 
Jobster, but not. 

1268
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,000
Probably not and Renly and 
other. 

1269
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,880
People were born into just as 
much privilege. 

1270
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,000
They're not as good as Loris's, 
right? 

1271
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,080
Yeah, if Renly. 
Had practiced as hard as Loris, 

1272
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,000
he still might not have been as 
good, but he'd have been a lot 

1273
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,160
better. 
Yeah, he probably didn't. 

1274
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,520
Have it's probably true that he 
doesn't have Loris's talent, but

1275
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,120
he definitely also didn't work 
as hard. 

1276
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,600
So yeah, so good, good points 
there. 

1277
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,080
Let's take a few questions here 
in the middle and then get back 

1278
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,680
to the next topic. 
TK OK Podcast Network says 

1279
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,840
having Sean and his E back 
together these last three weeks 

1280
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,280
has been sublime. 
X Well, thank you very much, 

1281
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,480
Tommy. 
We appreciate that. 

1282
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,320
You did an appearance on TK OK 
recently, didn't you, Sean? 

1283
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,920
Yeah, we covered the graduates 
pretty deep dive into that 

1284
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,280
classic film. 
That was good. 

1285
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,320
And Tommy was recently on 
History of Westeros talking 

1286
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,400
about Valerian steel, right? 
Yes. 

1287
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,120
That's right, we've been very 
incestuous lately. 

1288
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,960
All of all, we all go on. 
Each other's shows, yeah, that 

1289
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,640
was a really fun episode. 
It was a little different sort 

1290
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,960
of style from some of the more 
recent ones. 

1291
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,520
Julie A. 
Says I wonder if Egg would have 

1292
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,920
been more tortured by Arian had 
he stayed. 

1293
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,880
Arian had already threatened to 
cut off his manhood. 

1294
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,000
Yeah, maybe he would have. 
I mean, the dude's unhinged. 

1295
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,640
He may have just gone through 
with it or done something awful.

1296
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,480
And if your egg, are you going 
to stick around to find out? 

1297
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,760
Like, is he one day just going 
to just go a little farther and 

1298
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,960
or that knife is going to slip? 
I mean, you don't want to. 

1299
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,120
You don't want to find out. 
Yeah. 

1300
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,200
And. 
I pointed out in the chat that 

1301
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,520
it was probably good for Egg's 
sisters that Aryan was sent 

1302
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,240
away. 
Yes, that's true. 

1303
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,520
Oh man. 
And Dornish. 

1304
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,840
Dame brought up. 
It makes them wonder if the 

1305
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,520
reference the love potion in the
Sworn Sword was about Ray 

1306
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,840
looking to marriage with Egg as 
a means of protection from 

1307
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,080
Aryan. 
Oh. 

1308
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,680
Yeah. 
Oh wow, that's really. 

1309
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,240
Good. 
Yeah, really good idea. 

1310
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,080
Wow, I'm kind of surprised I 
never thought of that because 

1311
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,040
yeah, like Aryan, Yeah, we we 
think about how bad he was to 

1312
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,480
egg, but yeah, he probably was 
awful towards his sisters too. 

1313
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,200
Yeah. 
And he probably. 

1314
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:54,640
Expected he would have one as a 
wife I mean he brings up to egg 

1315
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,360
that he he thinks he's going to 
marry him yeah and I. 

1316
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,000
Like I've been thinking of, I've
been really, I guess my head's 

1317
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,200
been too deep in this comparison
to Euron and Euron, like lucky 

1318
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,880
for his family that he didn't 
have sisters well. 

1319
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,200
It didn't really matter. 
Yeah, like it. 

1320
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,840
Would have been he probably 
would have done awful things to 

1321
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,680
them if he had them so good. 
Good for them for not existing 

1322
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,840
but but yeah, wow that's a great
point. 

1323
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:21,720
I want to bring up a similar 
point. 

1324
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:25,840
May as well talk about it now, 
since it's as an exercise in 

1325
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,360
perception to put yourself in 
someone else's shoes. 

1326
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,360
These stories really provide us 
a lot of opportunities because 

1327
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,960
there's so many characters, and 
George does a good job of at 

1328
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:38,000
least highlighting the side 
characters a little more than is

1329
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,520
average for books. 
Maybe in some cases a lot more 

1330
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,560
than average. 
A lot more. 

1331
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:45,960
A lot more, as I'm guessing. 
You're right. 

1332
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,080
Yeah. 
My head's too deep in this 

1333
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,600
fandom for me to to make that 
perspective. 

1334
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,760
It's probably a lot more anyway.
Point. 

1335
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,440
Being the Lord. 
Ashford's daughter put yourself 

1336
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,320
in her place for all this. 
She's excited. 

1337
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,360
Think about Sansa. 
She's going to her first 

1338
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,000
tournament. 
Like so excited, like the 

1339
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,480
pageantry, the excitement. 
But unlike Sansa, this. 

1340
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,920
One's like. 
About her this is like she is 

1341
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,480
the center of attention. 
She's like Lord Ashford's like 

1342
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,360
highlighting his daughter like 
wants to show her off as a 

1343
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,600
marriage option for these fancy 
houses, wants to make Valar look

1344
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:18,760
good. 
Not only does that backfire, 

1345
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,160
that part backfire horribly, but
is she? 

1346
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,280
Traumatized. 
By all this, like, you know, 

1347
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,440
Westerosi misogyny is going to 
be like, oh, she's cursed. 

1348
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,120
Like she's the one that like 
they held a tournament for her 

1349
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,400
and Baylor died. 
Like, yeah, I don't know. 

1350
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,360
It seems like put yourself in 
her perspective and it it's 

1351
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,200
dark. 
It's like, man, this poor girl, 

1352
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,040
you know? 
Yeah, it's like someone having a

1353
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,520
birthday on the same day as some
shooting or some tragedy or 

1354
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,400
something like that. 
Yeah, that actually. 

1355
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,000
Exact that exact thing happened 
to a Co worker of mine. 

1356
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,400
I was working in an office 
environment for September 11th 

1357
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,200
911 and you know none of us went
to work that day because they 

1358
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,040
were just like yeah don't come 
in today just watch the news. 

1359
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,800
And so we'd come into work the 
next day and and one of my Co 

1360
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,280
workers Scott's like yesterday 
was my birthday. 

1361
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,200
We're like. 
Man, oh. 

1362
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,000
Man, he's like. 
Yeah, my birthday is ruined 

1363
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,040
forever. 
I had. 

1364
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:16,279
I was in elementary school and 
we all went into to class right 

1365
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,800
and it was a girl's birthday and
so like she had brought in 

1366
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,240
cupcakes it. 
Was. 

1367
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:25,040
Like, very memorable to me, man,
Yeah. 

1368
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,120
That's terrible. 
That's too bad. 

1369
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,680
Like, yeah, I would just 
celebrate my birthday a 

1370
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,399
different day. 
I mean, definitely it's not as 

1371
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:34,479
bad 20 years from now. 
It's not the sting isn't as as 

1372
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,640
you know, like even if you lived
through it or whatever or were 

1373
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,560
there, it's you can you can 
separate it more after time 

1374
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,160
passes. 
I I feel. 

1375
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:46,040
Like, though, she has to be 
somewhat traumatized by this. 

1376
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:50,840
Even if she didn't see the 
horrible gore, which she 

1377
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:56,279
probably saw Baylor's brain fall
out, she probably definitely saw

1378
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,640
the horse screaming like a human
in pain. 

1379
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:01,880
That alone had to have been 
awful. 

1380
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,359
Yeah, poor girl. 
Yeah, even because. 

1381
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:05,680
That's the part you can compare 
to Santa. 

1382
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,319
Santa saw like Gregor's horse 
and all that and and the 

1383
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,000
fighting that. 
So she saw some of those things.

1384
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,279
But ultimately that's kind of 
why I pointed out Loris came out

1385
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,600
looking really good. 
So like in the end, yes, the 

1386
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,479
tournament went pretty well for 
Santa, even though there was 

1387
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,479
some it was a roller coaster. 
But other than that, like Loris 

1388
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,560
didn't kind of ignored her, you 
know, and ignores her later, 

1389
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,479
like who are you again? 
And she was that that didn't 

1390
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,439
that didn't make her happy. 
But I was like, do I know you? 

1391
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,160
I was like, you gave me the 
right special rose, Like, oh, 

1392
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:32,600
yeah, yeah. 
You're just some girl. 

1393
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,319
I don't remember. 
I don't pay attention to girls. 

1394
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,279
Jonathan Hagee says Danes don't 
look Dornish. 

1395
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,120
Aryan may see them as superior 
Dornish. 

1396
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,920
Yeah, that's a that's a really 
important point. 

1397
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,920
Yeah. 
The Danes, they look sort of 

1398
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,080
Dornish, but MO they their their
their look isn't fully 

1399
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,880
established let's put it that 
way. 

1400
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,960
They often have purple eyes. 
It's not established that they 

1401
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,720
always have them. 
For example, we don't know what 

1402
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,680
color eyes Arthur had. 
We do know that Ashara had 

1403
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,600
striking purple, haunting purple
eyes, which. 

1404
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,480
Also is a. 
Reason for the the Targaryens to

1405
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:08,440
choose them as a marriage 
option. 

1406
01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:09,880
It's it's a pretty perfect 
choice. 

1407
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,960
It's like, oh, they're Dornish. 
So and we want Dornish marriages

1408
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,200
to bring the realm together, but
they look like us. 

1409
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:17,120
They look like Targaryens a lot 
of times. 

1410
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,960
So that's a just kind of an 
obvious like let's this is a 

1411
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,760
great things line up sort of 
situation. 

1412
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,480
That's a good point with 
Jonathan saying maybe that 

1413
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:30,440
because of their look, so, so 
much of it comes down to that he

1414
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,040
may, yeah, not look down on them
as much. 

1415
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:34,480
Good call. 
Good call. 

1416
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,920
Also, like another comment from 
Juliet, the striking size, like 

1417
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,160
Brienne, right? 
We, we, we talk about how she 

1418
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,440
turns heads wherever she goes, 
Although a lot of them are like 

1419
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:46,840
looking down on her. 
Well, metaphorically obviously, 

1420
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,200
because she's bigger than they 
are. 

1421
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,120
And Dunk's the same thing. 
But with Dunk, we, we think of 

1422
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,600
other characters like like 
Hodor, right? 

1423
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,400
Like, Hodor's a big character, 
big guy, and maybe even maybe 

1424
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:02,240
even Dunk's ancestor descendant.
But we're not. 

1425
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,680
Really. 
Ever in his head Brienne. 

1426
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:09,280
So we don't really have a POV 
that is respected for their size

1427
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,280
because from Brienne's case, 
it's it's the reverse. 

1428
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,800
It's like so this this is a new 
perspective for us. 

1429
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,440
Not only do we have a a low born
character hedge night, something

1430
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:20,720
we don't get in the song like 
fire. 

1431
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,880
We have someone who's big who 
doesn't necessarily realize 

1432
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,640
they're big right. 
They don't. 

1433
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,280
He doesn't go around looking 
like, wow, look how big I am. 

1434
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,440
It's. 
Through his eyes, people react 

1435
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:33,800
to his size. 
I'm like, Oh yeah, look how 

1436
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,520
people are constantly looking up
at him. 

1437
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,640
And that's why the Laughing 
Storm is a little interesting to

1438
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,840
me because that's one of the few
characters that's also really 

1439
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,520
big. 
And you can kind of get up like,

1440
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,600
oh, that guy's as big as me. 
Someone that doesn't look up me 

1441
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,520
as a huge man, right? 
I have my own personal 

1442
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,160
experience with this, not being 
7 foot tall or whatever. 

1443
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:59,720
I'm indirectly by going to 
Thailand with our mutual friend.

1444
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:04,080
Chris is 6 foot 7 and has a 
large facial scar from his time 

1445
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:08,720
in the military. 
So he doesn't look at all like a

1446
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,360
Thai person, like a marble Thai 
person. 

1447
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,240
So walking down the crowded 
streets of Bangkok with him was 

1448
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,160
very interesting because I would
stand behind him so I could see 

1449
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,000
the reactions to other other 
people would be like double 

1450
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,560
taking like, whoa, look at that 
guy. 

1451
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,080
That's what their eyes would be 
saying. 

1452
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,840
Like they'd turn, like they'd 
look and they'd look away, then 

1453
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,000
they'd look back with their 
eyebrows raised. 

1454
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,240
And it's a real trip for me, 
just watching like, like dozens 

1455
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,200
of people having this reaction, 
like constantly because it's 

1456
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,280
super like this. 
Bangkok is like 11 million 

1457
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,520
people. 
It's one of the largest cities 

1458
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,960
in the world. 
So you're walking in like a Main

1459
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,600
Street downtown where there's 
just so many people. 

1460
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,280
This effect is magnified. 
It's like if you had a drone 

1461
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,960
like looking down on this, you 
could just like measure all the 

1462
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,400
head turns. 
The top of their heads are going

1463
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,240
to be a dark colored because 
most high people have like a 

1464
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,240
dark colored hair. 
But as their heads turn to look 

1465
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,920
up, you would then see the light
of their faces and their eyes 

1466
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:02,920
instead. 
And it's just like this pattern 

1467
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,320
of all these faces turning at 
the same moment as this large 

1468
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,160
object passes between them. 
So I think it's, I remember one 

1469
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,280
time. 
I was walking, this is long ago 

1470
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,840
enough to, but when Rudy was 
still, you know, I mean, he's 

1471
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,320
still tall, but he's lost a lot 
of weight. 

1472
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,280
But when he was still big and 
with Chris Honan, I was walking 

1473
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,680
with the two of them and we were
coming up toward like a 

1474
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,640
reflective, you know, a building
where we could see our 

1475
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,640
reflection. 
I was like, geez, my friends are

1476
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,160
my friend's Hulk. 
We're going. 

1477
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,680
To cross your books. 
This little old me and they're 

1478
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:38,240
like towering above me like 
holy, very striking image to see

1479
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:42,120
our reflection Yeah, I also. 
Can relate just to big people 

1480
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,560
when dunk is described, for 
example, because my brother is 6

1481
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,440
foot 8 and so I was, I was like 
a little egg and he could just 

1482
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:52,880
toss me all around. 
I just have a very clear image 

1483
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,800
of that disparity. 
This is a lot older than you 

1484
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,120
too, right? 
Yeah, he's 11. 

1485
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,920
Years older than you, so it 
would be basically exactly like 

1486
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:04,800
egg and Dunk because dunk egg is
more like 6-7 years old. 

1487
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,520
Younger than dung, so when he 
was 20. 

1488
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,360
One, he would have been fully 
grown and you would have been 

1489
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,560
like 10 and you still been like 
4 feet at most, yes. 

1490
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:21,080
Exactly. 
Yeah, yeah, Dunk and ash it. 

1491
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:21,520
Was. 
It was. 

1492
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,920
It was actually ash and ash. 
Yeah, Ash and Ash. 

1493
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:24,920
Ashton in the shade? 
Yep. 

1494
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,920
Also I want. 
To shout out our Discord 

1495
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,480
channels for a specific reason, 
we're doing an Expanse reread 

1496
01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:33,080
over there. 
Just a few of us are just 

1497
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,360
talking about The Expanse and 
we've just started. 

1498
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:36,880
We've just started the short 
stories. 

1499
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,160
Only the first 3 short stories 
have been scheduled or have been

1500
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,840
reached on the schedule. 
We're about to start the first 

1501
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,920
book, so if you want to get 
involved, it's definitely not 

1502
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,000
too late as of it's July 11th as
of this recording. 

1503
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,480
So by the time you hear this, we
probably haven't gone that much 

1504
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:53,120
farther. 
Really fun. 

1505
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,760
Expanse is great. 
There's a lot of Expanse 

1506
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,600
connections to The Song of Ice 
and Fire. 

1507
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,080
Well, really on the the meta 
level, George R Martin is 

1508
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,960
connected to those authors in a 
number of ways. 

1509
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,120
So that's cool. 
Also, it's just a fantastic 

1510
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,280
story and world. 
So there's that. 

1511
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,240
So if you want to get involved, 
head over to our Discord and hit

1512
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,840
The Expanse Reread channel. 
We've talked a little. 

1513
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:19,560
Bit about dubbing this aspect of
it is another subtopic under 

1514
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,480
that umbrella, the plumber, the 
steward says any night can make 

1515
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:24,920
a night. 
It's more customary to stand a 

1516
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,520
vigil and be annoyed by a septon
for taking your vows. 

1517
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:32,120
Now he says more customary. 
Obviously he doesn't say it's a 

1518
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:36,000
rule and that's important. 
There's a lot of work done by it

1519
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,680
not being a requirement. 
But it's also kind of ironic 

1520
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:44,160
because as Nina points out, 
Raymond Fossaway doesn't have 

1521
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,840
any Vigil or any Saptun or 
anything. 

1522
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,440
It's a lot. 
You know what it reminds me of 

1523
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,880
Sean is like, like a battlefield
promotion. 

1524
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,120
Like obviously in the real world
military, most promotions are 

1525
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,400
done with some signed paperwork 
and some back and forth, a 

1526
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,840
little bit of time approvals and
stuff like that. 

1527
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:06,160
But sometimes the officers are 
all dead in the real war 

1528
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:10,320
situation and someone has to be 
like sometimes it's temporary 

1529
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,680
promotion, but sometimes it a 
lot of times it sticks right. 

1530
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,640
Am I, is that pretty accurate? 
Am I, am I off there? 

1531
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,120
It's very. 
Regimented the process to for 

1532
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,000
getting promoted there's there's
a certain minimum time in grade 

1533
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,040
and then you have to take 
certain classes you have to get 

1534
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,720
a recommendation from your 
officer and at certain levels 

1535
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,320
you have to you know stand in 
front of a board at at higher 

1536
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,560
rank like generals have to be 
approved by Congress. 

1537
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,840
But on the battlefield, yeah, a 
lot of times when sometimes 

1538
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,560
tragically, a lot of people can 
get killed all at once and 

1539
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,080
someone's got to be in charge, 
you know? 

1540
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,720
And also, not to mention, 
usually there's sort of a chain 

1541
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,240
of command in addition to, like,
the ranks. 

1542
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,280
Like, ostensibly any captain can
tell any Lieutenant or any 

1543
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,360
Sergeant what to do, but usually
you would only tell someone in 

1544
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,840
your own unit what to do, you 
know, a captain telling a 

1545
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,360
private from some other unit, 
technically they're allowed to, 

1546
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,680
but it's, they might even get in
trouble for it, you know? 

1547
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,760
But on the battlefield, people 
might just get thrust together. 

1548
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,200
They're on a plane. 
They jump in, they're scattered,

1549
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,520
Someone dies. 
All right, we need someone to be

1550
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,720
in charge of this squad. 
Taken that hill, Private. 

1551
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,720
You're the Sergeant in command. 
Now. 

1552
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,040
Go do it. 
Usually, after the battle, 

1553
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,960
they're way more likely to get 
promoted to Sergeant. 

1554
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,400
Usually it's temporary till 
afterwards. 

1555
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,120
But once you've actually been in
battle, acting as a Sergeant, 

1556
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,520
you're probably going to get 
that promotion, you know, now, 

1557
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,720
of course. 
Caveat, what Sean's describing 

1558
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,800
is the US military. 
Now Sean was a soldier, so he 

1559
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,600
knows a lot of this pretty well,
but obviously there's other 

1560
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,600
militaries throughout history 
and currently that would not 

1561
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,640
have all the same rules. 
Some of them would be pretty 

1562
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,760
similar. 
But there's also examples in 

1563
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,840
world of say, Lord Commanders of
the Kingsguard becoming Lord 

1564
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,040
Commander in the battle. 
Like Lord Commander dies, you 

1565
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:49,960
guys named Lord Commander. 
There's one Lord Commander who 

1566
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,920
was only Lord Commander for like
an hour. 

1567
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:56,920
He got a battlefield promotion, 
died within that hour and well 

1568
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:02,480
makes for a good story. 
So it's really important we we 

1569
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:07,600
see that there's a lot of amidst
this pastiche of of class and 

1570
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,320
honor amongst the concept of 
knighthood, the knight that dubs

1571
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:12,120
you. 
It is important. 

1572
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,680
It's not just this standing 
vigil and whether a septon does 

1573
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,600
the oils and whether you say the
right words. 

1574
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,320
More importantly probably is 
because this is remembered going

1575
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,440
forward a lot more than where 
you stood your vigil and that 

1576
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:28,120
stuff gets forgotten. 
No one's going to even know, but

1577
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,640
if you but who dubbed you that 
is a little more likely to be 

1578
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,480
remembered, that's more likely 
to stick around and more likely 

1579
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,400
to be important, more likely to 
be brought up at parties, you 

1580
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,720
know? 
So this is a quote The question 

1581
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,960
is, And why did Lord Frey ask 
Rob to see about Oliver's 

1582
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,000
knighting when he had more than 
enough anointed nights at his 

1583
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,840
disposal to attend to the 
matter? 

1584
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,040
So why should someone go to 
Harvard when they can get a 

1585
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,720
degree from their local 
Community College? 

1586
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,240
There's great prestige in 
receiving your knighthood from a

1587
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:00,320
king, a Prince, one of the kings
guard or other celebrated 

1588
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,800
legendary Knights getting 
knighted by brothers. 

1589
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,200
Like kissing her sister. 
We'll leave Jaime Lannister and 

1590
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:06,680
the Targaryens out of that 
comparison. 

1591
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,760
And getting dubbed. 
By the local hedge knight is 

1592
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,560
like graduating from Barber 
college. 

1593
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,480
You get a sheepskin maybe, but 
don't try applying to law 

1594
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:15,440
school. 
Yeah, and of course. 

1595
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:18,040
Charge isn't denigrating those 
institutions, he's just pointing

1596
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,680
out how society tends to look at
them. 

1597
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:21,960
Yeah, A. 
Lot of times later in your life 

1598
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:23,680
and later in your career that 
matters less. 

1599
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,800
Yes, right. 
Like you, maybe you just went to

1600
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,840
your local Community College, 
but after you've been in your 

1601
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,560
career for 14 years and you've 
got success and built a business

1602
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,960
or won your cases or whatever it
is it it starts to matter a 

1603
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,640
little bit less. 
Probably the same for a night 

1604
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,520
right. 
Like in fact, Dunk of 

1605
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,240
questionable whether or not he 
was even dubbed a knight by 

1606
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,480
Arlen, who is a knight that 
hardly anyone even knows. 

1607
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,240
But eventually he's the Lord 
Commander, right. 

1608
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:52,160
So eventually your actions of 
your life can overcome your 

1609
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,480
start point. 
But your start point can 

1610
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:57,880
certainly give you a a a jump 
start and Dunk is an exception 

1611
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,160
to the rules. 
Yeah, and. 

1612
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,680
You wonder if like. 
Raymond was like, I mean, you 

1613
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,920
can't be that unhappy because 
the Laughing Storm knighted him.

1614
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,920
And that guy, you know, is 
pretty famous. 

1615
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,400
Although he did have a 
rebellion, he did come back and 

1616
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,080
surrender and it all worked out.
So for the most part. 

1617
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,360
So yeah, that's pretty good. 
Like getting knighted by the 

1618
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,720
lapping storm, that worked out. 
The Lord of the eventual Lord of

1619
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,800
Storms End. 
But had he been knighted by Sir 

1620
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:23,000
Duncan the tall famous knight of
the Kingsguard? 

1621
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,360
Oh man, He's like Dunk was like,
no, you don't want to united. 

1622
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,360
I mean like actually in retro, 
you know? 

1623
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:34,400
Another example to that point is
Barristan thinks about knighting

1624
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,720
his Squires, but he's but he 
knows he's about to lead a coup.

1625
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,480
He's like, maybe let's. 
Make sure this works out. 

1626
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:44,200
First, because I might be 
dooming them, you know that 

1627
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:48,080
being knighted by me, if I get 
executed after starting a coup 

1628
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:52,000
might get them executed, but if 
the coup's successful, then 

1629
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,000
maybe I'll do it and it'll be 
more honorable. 

1630
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,080
Yeah, Now that he's. 
Apparently LED this very 

1631
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:01,160
successful sortie with his 
leading his troops out now being

1632
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,640
knighted by him definitely gains
some prestige. 

1633
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,920
Of course, if, you know, we have
to wait to see how he's actually

1634
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:08,800
received, you know, but yeah, we
think we'll. 

1635
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,280
Potentially see a battlefield 
knighting. 

1636
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,000
I mean if. 
We're if we're concerned about 

1637
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,360
Barristan's survival. 
Good point, good question. 

1638
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,040
I really like. 
Bringing this Barristan example 

1639
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,960
into this, this is really 
getting me to think, well we'll 

1640
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,240
have to keep that one on the 
shelf. 

1641
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:27,680
We have some ideas, we'll we'll 
throw them out. 

1642
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,800
Y'all in the chat do the same. 
Please give us your thoughts. 

1643
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,200
Martin has. 
Thousands of pages coming in a 

1644
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,080
story that's enough for one of 
these young troops to to take 

1645
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,480
over Barristan, you know, for 
Barristan to die in battle, but 

1646
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:42,920
someone he knighted become a 
more central character, loyal to

1647
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,120
Danny or whatever. 
Yeah. 

1648
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:45,960
And that. 
And that would be, in some ways 

1649
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:47,960
that would be really 
interestingly fitting because 

1650
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,600
you'd have Knights, which is a W
Rossi distinction, but they 

1651
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:55,560
would be like Tumko Low, who's 
from the Basilisk Isles. 

1652
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:56,560
Yeah. 
And I mean. 

1653
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,120
That would help with something 
we've just been dying for. 

1654
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,520
We complain about it all the 
time, which is just, we want 

1655
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,360
more time with these SoC. 
I mean, we talk about the the 

1656
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,360
Dothraki, obviously, most 
particularly, but just period. 

1657
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,240
I would love to see the red 
lamb. 

1658
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,800
Yeah. 
It's neat too. 

1659
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,720
Nina writes this parallel 
between Dunk and Egg and Raymond

1660
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,200
Fossaway. 
They're boys from very different

1661
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,400
backgrounds, but they all want 
to be nice. 

1662
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,240
Throw Bran in the mix if you 
want to bring the first 

1663
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,280
character we're introduced to in
a Song of Ice and fire. 

1664
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,560
Like that's a he starts off like
one of the actual first lines is

1665
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,880
in it's an entire arc is 
thinking about the Kingsguard, 

1666
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,640
like how he wants to be in the 
Kingsguard. 

1667
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,160
I mean, it's not in his first. 
I think it's in his 2nd chapter 

1668
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,280
and then his 3rd chapter is his 
fall. 

1669
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,960
So or no, he follows the end of 
the second chapter. 

1670
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:40,880
That's right. 
It's the end of that. 

1671
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,920
It's a very much a recurring 
theme. 

1672
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:45,920
Boys wanted to be nice. 
I mean. 

1673
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:48,800
I don't. 
Know about you, but for a while,

1674
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,760
when I was a kid, I wanted to 
be, I don't know, a cowboy. 

1675
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:55,600
It's kind of the same thing my 
dad. 

1676
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,800
When he was a kid, he wanted 
times are a little bit different

1677
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,680
now, but when he was a kid, he 
wanted to be one of two things a

1678
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,880
garbage man or a fireman because
it got to ride in the outside of

1679
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:10,520
the truck that's. 
Fantastic. 

1680
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,840
So yeah, so they. 
Each have these other like they 

1681
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,840
have these ways of getting to 
it. 

1682
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:23,120
And like Hague is with Deron, 
you know, his drunk older 

1683
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,520
brother. 
And he's like, well, how am I 

1684
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:27,760
ever going to become a knight 
through this method, right? 

1685
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,760
Like, how am I ever going to get
there through this? 

1686
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:34,200
And meanwhile, Raymond Fosseway 
kind of the same like his, his, 

1687
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:35,720
his cousin's kind of holding it 
over him. 

1688
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,920
He's like, yeah, you're not 
ready. 

1689
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,480
Like he, he wasn't being very 
good about it. 

1690
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:44,560
So Raymond, by breaking free, 
all three of these guys broke 

1691
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:49,440
free of their main influence and
it worked out for them. 

1692
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:52,720
Now in in Dunk's case, Sir Arlen
wasn't like bad to him. 

1693
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,520
But still. 
To become a knight he had to, 

1694
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,160
you know. 
It was kicked off by Sir Arlen's

1695
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:04,240
death, whereas Egg's journey is 
kicked off by leaving Deron and 

1696
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,680
Raymond's journey is really 
kicked off by finally getting 

1697
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,840
away from Stefan. 
That's a nice little 

1698
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,400
triangulation. 3 characters. 
The knight must have three 

1699
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:19,320
swords, I guess you could say. 
So let's talk about the apples. 

1700
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,480
Let's talk about Fossa ways. 
This is a good lead in to their 

1701
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:24,280
family. 
The the last time we had queer 

1702
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:25,960
foreign fruits. 
This time we have straight 

1703
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,280
native fruits. 
They are definitely one of the 

1704
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,000
houses that when you add up 
their appearances, they're 

1705
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,720
pretty prominent. 
The Fossaways first appear in a 

1706
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,160
clash of kings. 
So this is yet another example 

1707
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:40,320
on the meta level of like George
wrote this story alongside the 

1708
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,520
clash of Kings and these world 
building details sort of came 

1709
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,880
out at the same time. 
They're one of the say, 15 ish 

1710
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,240
houses. 
There's not an exact number on 

1711
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,720
that, but it's in the mid teens 
that claim direct descent from 

1712
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,360
Garth Greenhand. 
Their their claim is accepted. 

1713
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,520
There's some other claims out 
there that are as, to use 

1714
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:03,680
Olenna's term, a bit dodgy, but 
it's really hard to dispute 

1715
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,720
theirs because there's a famous 
figure named Foss, the Archer 

1716
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,360
who was one of Garth Greenhand's
sons. 

1717
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,640
And so they are Foss away. 
Like, you know, like the name, 

1718
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,120
it's right there, right? 
It's in the name. 

1719
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:15,560
There's a notable. 
Lord Owen Fosseway during the 

1720
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,320
Dance of the Dragons, who was 
one of the caltrops so we might 

1721
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,360
see him on TV. 
Sir John Fosseway is of the 

1722
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,920
green apple Fosseways. 
So he's an ancestor or God. 

1723
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,880
I keep doing that a descendant 
of. 

1724
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,440
Of the cadet branch. 
We see formed here in this very 

1725
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:33,880
novella, the green apple. 
Fosseways, of course, didn't 

1726
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,800
exist prior to this novella. 
And Fosseway. 

1727
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,040
John Fosseway shows up at 
Storm's End in Catlin and 

1728
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,840
Davos's chapters in A Clash of 
Kings. 

1729
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,920
And then? 
Sir Garland Tyrell Garland the 

1730
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,840
gallant is married to Leonette 
Fossaway and you've met her. 

1731
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,640
We've all met her. 
She sat next to Tyrion and Sans 

1732
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,520
at the purple wedding. 
She's the one that had that sort

1733
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,040
of quip of about when Tyrion 
finished that line. 

1734
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,680
He's like N cut off poor 
Tyrion's nose. 

1735
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,240
She's the one who's like, you're
a better singer than this 

1736
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,800
Galleon of Chi, You know? 
They were both like very 

1737
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,400
conspicuously nice to Tyrion, 
which so nice that it's like. 

1738
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,840
But returning. 
To a question that is bearing a 

1739
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,960
lot of fruit. 
Thanks again, Javi Marcos, for 

1740
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,240
your question about where Black 
Fire references might have 

1741
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:29,240
appeared had they been fully 
developed by the time the story 

1742
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,600
was written. 
And I have to think this is a 

1743
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:36,640
huge bullseye A bullseye a. 
William. 

1744
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:42,520
Tell Bullseye with an apple on, 
you know someone's head, because

1745
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,400
how great a fit would it be to 
talk about a cadet branch of 

1746
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,800
House Targaryen amidst the 
formation of a cadet branch of 

1747
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:55,000
this apple family? 
You have the red dragon cadet 

1748
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,680
branch turning into the black 
dragon. 

1749
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,720
You have the red apple turning 
into the green. 

1750
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,760
Whereas of course, in the Dance 
of the Dragons, it was the green

1751
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,040
versus the black. 
So you got red, green, black. 

1752
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,320
It's the three main colors of 
apples and Dragons. 

1753
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:12,720
And. 
Brown, frankly, rather Franklin,

1754
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:18,320
not Frank Lee Franklin Flowers 
quotes the Prince acknowledging.

1755
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,800
With the nod Flowers is a 
bastard name or from the Reach. 

1756
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:23,800
I. 
My mother. 

1757
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,400
Was a washerwoman at cider Till 
at cider hall till one of my 

1758
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,080
Lords sons raped her. 
Makes you sort of brown apple 

1759
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,400
fast way the way I see it. 
So this is a great. 

1760
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,440
Thread to follow. 
Franklin is part of the Golden 

1761
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:36,680
Company, which is of course a 
product of the Blackfyre 

1762
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,320
Rebellions via better Steel. 
So. 

1763
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,800
How about that? 
This is a deep levels 

1764
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,360
connections of both themes and 
direct plotting here, not just 

1765
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:49,000
like behind the scenes 
connecting dots, but this is a 

1766
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,040
pretty direct through line to 
the Golden Company appearing 

1767
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,680
into the story as you know, 
championing a guy who may be a 

1768
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,080
low key Blackfire. 
And Nina also writes. 

1769
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:00,240
It's a wonderful bit of irony 
here. 

1770
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,240
Stefan abandons Dunk to back 
Aryan because Aryan promises to 

1771
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:08,000
make him a Lord. 
But Raymond, he's gonna found a 

1772
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,240
new house and get his own get 
lands as well. 

1773
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:17,840
The the cider hall is the seat 
of the red apple fossil ways. 

1774
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,200
But now there's this new barrel.
George really leans into these 

1775
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:26,120
his names new barrel. 
So Raymond fossil ways probably 

1776
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:31,560
the first night of new barrel 
and best guess these lands are 

1777
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:33,960
established after the black 
fire. 

1778
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,960
The third black fire rebellion 
which would be the next time 

1779
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,080
there's actual fighting because 
the second black fire rebellion 

1780
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:42,000
is is barely a war. 
Great guess. 

1781
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,600
I agree with this guess that 
these the lands of New Barrel 

1782
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,040
were established after the third
black fire abound when you would

1783
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,640
have a time that rebellious 
Lords would have lands taken 

1784
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,640
away from them and those who 
stayed loyal would have these 

1785
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,240
lands given to them. 
We see this right after the 

1786
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:03,760
Battle of Blackwater, right? 
So, and I think maybe we're 

1787
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,040
being set up to see that again. 
Franklin Flowers. 

1788
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,240
Fossaway, bastard. 
Brown apple. 

1789
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,440
Fossaway, as he says it. 
What? 

1790
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:14,040
Are the odds. 
That that's the land he wants, 

1791
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,800
not not New Barrel, but Cider 
Hall 'cause it's probably a 

1792
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:21,720
fancier spot. 
And that's, you know, where he 

1793
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,800
was from his, his mother was the
washer woman at Cider Hall, not 

1794
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,640
at New Barrel. 
So that's who he would want, 

1795
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,800
that's who he has descent from, 
that's who he would want revenge

1796
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:33,160
against. 
So if we see Young Griff grant 

1797
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,360
this title to Franklin Flowers 
because he's a captain in the 

1798
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,360
Golden Company, well, or 
Sergeant in the Golden Company, 

1799
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:43,120
I guess he is a captain. 
Anyway, you have already had the

1800
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,680
groundwork laid out for you, so 
you will know why it's a 

1801
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,680
momentous land giveaway and not 
just another random person 

1802
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,200
getting some land. 
There you go. 

1803
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,680
And that would make him perhaps 
similar to his distant ancestor 

1804
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:59,560
Sir Derek Fossaway, who was an 
exiled mite infamous enough to 

1805
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:04,040
have been one of the Band of 
Nine, AKA the 9 Penny Kings. 

1806
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,600
He probably wanted Cider Hall 
too, among other things. 

1807
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:10,480
For more on him, check out our 
episodes on 9 Penny Kings. 

1808
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:12,560
There's two of them. 
And this. 

1809
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:17,680
Derek and Franklin as members of
the Fossaway family, They remind

1810
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,240
us of what happens when 
claimants lurk across the sea, 

1811
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,720
just like it was with the black 
Fires. 

1812
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:28,480
Speaking of, let's not forget 
the promise of sorts that 

1813
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:32,160
Franklin Flowers makes in A 
Dance with Dragons. 

1814
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,480
Rivas was smiling in approval of
those traded thoughtful looks 

1815
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,720
and Peak said I would sooner die
in Westeros than on a Demon Rd. 

1816
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,440
and Mark Mandrake chuckled and 
responded me I'd sooner live 

1817
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,960
wind lands at some great cast, 
some great castle and Franklin 

1818
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,480
flowers slapped to Sword Hill 
and said so long as I can kill 

1819
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:52,920
some Fossaways, I'm for it. 
It's much. 

1820
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,240
More believable than this 
promise made back in A Clash of 

1821
01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:00,040
Kings Catlin 2 by another 
Fossaway. 

1822
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,440
Sir Mark. 
Mullindor brought a black and 

1823
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:06,520
white monkey, fed him morsels 
from his own plate, while Sir 

1824
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,640
Tanton of the Rad Apple Fossil 
Ways climbed on the table, swore

1825
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:11,880
to slay Sandor Clegane in single
combat. 

1826
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,040
The valve might have been taken 
more solemnly if Sir Tanton had 

1827
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,720
not had one foot in a gravy boat
when he made it. 

1828
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,880
First of all. 
Shout out to our good friend 

1829
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:28,040
Sanrixian who drew the best ever
fan drawing of a fantasy monkey 

1830
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,840
of all time. 
She drew Mullendorf's monkey 

1831
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:34,240
with armor 'cause he did have a 
little suit of chainmail. 

1832
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:38,960
According to the text Sir 
Tanton, Gravy Boat man did 

1833
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,120
survive the Battle of the 
Blackwater. 

1834
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,680
No word of whether it was 
because he kept the gravy boat 

1835
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,600
on. 
Gravy boats are better than 

1836
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,080
other boats when wildfires 
flying around because all those 

1837
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,560
other boats were burned and 
well, the gravy boat probably 

1838
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,240
did fine. 
Really, though, the man the 

1839
01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:00,080
Fossaways should want to kill 
isn't Sandor Clegane. 

1840
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,920
It should be. 
Lothor Brune. 

1841
01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:07,000
Why Lothor Brune? 
And well, he's not exactly easy 

1842
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,280
to get at right now. 
Lothor Brune is in the veil with

1843
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,400
Sansa and Elaine. 
Well, both of them. 

1844
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:14,360
Sansa and Elaine, he's 1 of 
Littlefinger. 

1845
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:18,080
'S top men during the Battle of 
the Blackwater, Sir Loathor 

1846
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:23,640
Brune killed Sir Brian Fossaway 
and Sir Edwid Fossaway and then 

1847
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,240
captured the aforementioned Sir 
John Fossaway. 

1848
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,320
He didn't bother with gravy boat
guy. 

1849
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,720
Probably cuz like. 
Who needs So you don't need to 

1850
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,560
worry about that guy, but he. 
Was given the. 

1851
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,560
Nickname Lothor Apple Eater Like
these families with their proud 

1852
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,360
heritages? 
You have a guy walking around 

1853
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,120
named Lothor, Apple Eater who 
got that name because he killed 

1854
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,040
multiple Fossaways. 
That should be your. 

1855
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:48,200
Arch nemesis, right? 
Like seriously. 

1856
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:50,720
Your apple. 
Nemesis, which is a. 

1857
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,360
Segue to to the format of this 
tournament, the challenging 

1858
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:58,040
right that you set up you get to
challenge whoever you want and 

1859
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:01,840
it's really interesting the way 
that fits into the the style of 

1860
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,920
corruption that they that's 
being run around here, right. 

1861
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:10,520
We've got this example of, well,
you have to pick who you want to

1862
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,360
pick. 
Do you dare challenge this guy? 

1863
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:18,440
Do you dare have the social, do 
you have the social currency to 

1864
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:19,960
challenge someone this far ahead
of you? 

1865
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,200
When it's just a bracket system,
when the randomness determines 

1866
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,560
it, it's not. 
You're not jumping up socially 

1867
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,760
by challenging something. 
The challenge happens for you. 

1868
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,000
You're not making a decision. 
But here, it's almost like they 

1869
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:34,560
know that like this is going to 
keep. 

1870
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,680
Even Aryan. 
Doesn't challenge Valar right? 

1871
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:41,480
Like of all the even he isn't 
doing it. 

1872
01:33:41,480 --> 01:33:45,640
But who does he challenge? 
He challenges the lowest born 

1873
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:49,720
champion, Harold Harding, who 
distinguished himself like that 

1874
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:54,480
guy was kicked butt, right? 
But he was the clearly the 

1875
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:57,280
lowest born of the Champions. 
Like obviously Dunk isn't a 

1876
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:58,920
champion. 
Dunk is lower born, but he 

1877
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:00,200
wasn't a champion at that 
moment. 

1878
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:01,960
I mean, that's a big deal, 
right? 

1879
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:06,080
Like he's he's showing teaching 
this upstart a lesson. 

1880
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,640
It's like you beat all these 
people, you're low, boring. 

1881
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,960
I'm going to embarrass you. 
But of course it backfires. 

1882
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,640
Kazarian's concept of. 
Of what's embarrassing. 

1883
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:17,240
And what it isn't is is pretty 
off. 

1884
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:21,600
Yeah, he ends up buricing 
himself. 

1885
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,320
Dunk does think at one point 
that Harding, if he had to 

1886
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,200
choose, would be the true winner
the the attorney, because he, I 

1887
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,720
think won 14 joust more than 
anyone else, which is crazy. 

1888
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:32,680
Yeah, he was the most 
impressive. 

1889
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,520
Yeah, but. 
That you. 

1890
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,240
Could see all the more reason 
why Aryan would want to like put

1891
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:40,760
a stop to it, you know like. 
Yeah, and why and. 

1892
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,480
No one's and the very people 
stood up to that. 

1893
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:45,440
They're like, yeah, it's so 
obvious that Aryan has done a 

1894
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:49,920
bad thing here, but like almost 
no one was willing to back him 

1895
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,320
up. 
Are there neutral Knights along 

1896
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:56,240
among Well when we speak of how 
beautifully George has managed 

1897
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,760
to tie Dung's story to his 
likely ancestor Brienne, This 

1898
01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:01,840
biggest examples is coming along
here. 

1899
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,280
One of the very few things we 
very first things we learned 

1900
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,680
about Brienne. 
Apart from her. 

1901
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,640
Physical prowess like her size 
is the obvious details that you 

1902
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,960
see from the outside is her 
naive view of knighthood and 

1903
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,720
chivalry. 
A big part of her arc is, is 

1904
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,960
that falling off like her 
learning the truth of what not 

1905
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:22,120
of what real Knights are like, 
but sticking to it anyway. 

1906
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,480
It's beautiful, right? 
She stays like she's like, oh 

1907
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:28,040
wow, very few nights actually 
uphold these nightly ideals. 

1908
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:30,800
All the more important. 
That I do so then she's not 

1909
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,680
like, Oh well then rather than 
just going with the crowd she's 

1910
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,320
like, oh, that makes it even 
more important that I do it and 

1911
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,400
Dunk is of the same attitude 
with just a couple of buddies. 

1912
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,840
That's that's really beautiful 
to me that this is a central 

1913
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:47,000
theme of this and it really 
spins the name Brienne, the 

1914
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,200
beauty on it's, it's on its 
meaning. 

1915
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,760
Like they're mocking her, but 
she has the. 

1916
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,400
She really is. 
Beautiful in this sense in her 

1917
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:58,600
attitude and very few nights 
have this attitude that she has 

1918
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,720
and it's. 
You know, it's really. 

1919
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,800
Stand out. 
So Duncan's learning that too. 

1920
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,880
It's it's different because he's
learning it not quite as much 

1921
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,680
out in the world in war, not by,
you know, losing half of his 

1922
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,160
face and these other awful 
things that happened to Brienne.

1923
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:17,760
But he's confronted by a bunch 
of examples of nights not acting

1924
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,320
like nights at all, like 
blatantly. 

1925
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,800
There's cheating, there's 
favoritism, there's exclusion, 

1926
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:26,440
and there's a few bright spots. 
Glad, of course he dies at the 

1927
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:29,400
end. 
Bright spot so. 

1928
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:33,400
These twin concepts like I, we 
talked about Leo Tyrell's trick 

1929
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,560
and Loris Tyrell's trick. 
That's another example of, of 

1930
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,280
privilege and wealth. 
It's insider knowledge, right? 

1931
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,960
Loris knew this trick about 
horsemanship, about a stallion 

1932
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,520
and heat because he's been 
around horses and wealth his 

1933
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:47,320
whole life. 
Like you. 

1934
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,640
You're not, you can't be around 
horses without having money 

1935
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,080
unless you're like a stable boy 
or something like that. 

1936
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:56,840
You're either employed with 
horses or you're rich and own 

1937
01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:58,560
horses. 
There's not a lot of in between 

1938
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,520
there, even in this world. 
I mean, in our world, that's 

1939
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,360
even more true. 
Of course, horse knowledge isn't

1940
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,800
nearly as valuable in our world,
but so I think that's touches 

1941
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,880
back on what we were saying 
about Loris and and Gregor and 

1942
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,400
all that. 
It's like that trick would Dunk 

1943
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,160
have even conceived. 
I'm not saying he would have 

1944
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:14,440
used it even if he thought of 
it, but it's not. 

1945
01:37:14,440 --> 01:37:17,560
It wouldn't have even occurred 
to him like but a long the 

1946
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,160
Tyrells have been jousting for 
centuries like this is something

1947
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,280
that they just know it's another
thing. 

1948
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,880
That Loris might have an extra 
awareness of, as we pointed out 

1949
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,320
how much he practices. 
He probably at one point wrote a

1950
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,520
mirror that was in he and 
realized, oh, I can't do this, 

1951
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,760
but I got to be careful about 
which horse I'm picking in the 

1952
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,720
1st place, you know, part and 
trunk. 

1953
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:41,160
But still some value of his 
experience, you know, and it's 

1954
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:42,440
like the. 
People who are watching who knew

1955
01:37:42,440 --> 01:37:44,920
horses like they got, they 
understood Loris's trick, but 

1956
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,000
it's not out in the open. 
It's not like, oh, Loris was 

1957
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:49,960
cheating because it was subtle 
enough that most people don't 

1958
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,480
even notice, right? 
It the reason it even got 

1959
01:37:53,480 --> 01:37:55,600
noticed was because Gregor cut 
his horse's head off. 

1960
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,200
That kind of made Sansa like, oh
what the hell? 

1961
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:00,720
And then someone explains it to 
her. 

1962
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:05,200
But if Gregor just like grumbles
and marches off, it might not 

1963
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:07,920
even get brought up that Loris 
was cheating, right? 

1964
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,240
And here it's even more subtle. 
It's not obvious that they're 

1965
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:14,160
throwing it for Valar, right? 
It's it's not obvious at all, 

1966
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:17,680
but it is there like once you're
once you're clued into it, it 

1967
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,400
becomes obvious once you're once
the concept is raised. 

1968
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,560
I think like George RR Martin 
here, he says one of his quotes 

1969
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,200
is it's pretty plain in the 
hedge tonight. 

1970
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:28,200
If you read between the lines 
that everyone was bending over 

1971
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,880
backwards to make Valar look 
good, you know, and he doesn't 

1972
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,080
say cheating. 
Well, a quote. 

1973
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,040
He had won nine victories, but 
it seemed to dunk that everyone 

1974
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,600
was hollow. 
He's beating old men in upjunk 

1975
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:43,320
Squires and a few Lords of high 
birth and low skill. 

1976
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,080
The truly dangerous men are 
riding past the shield as if 

1977
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,600
they do not see it. 
That line right? 

1978
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,360
There the truly dangerous men 
are riding past the shield as if

1979
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,160
they do not see it. 
That's the one that I think is 

1980
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:54,840
the biggest clue of all. 
Yeah, George loves irony. 

1981
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:56,760
So it's it's funny how this all 
works out. 

1982
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:01,520
We talked about how backwards it
all goes like nothing like 

1983
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,760
wanting to show off for the 
Targaryens only for the Prince 

1984
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:07,920
to die bitter steal, though, 
over the cross and air seas. 

1985
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,640
Like, yeah, all right, good 
tournament. 

1986
01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:14,480
And it's an interesting too. 
The difference between Baylor. 

1987
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:16,120
Baylor is nothing isn't like 
Valor. 

1988
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:18,080
Like you wonder what's in 
Valor's head. 

1989
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,320
Does Valor realize that 
everyone's throwing it for him? 

1990
01:39:20,440 --> 01:39:22,640
Does he get it? 
Does he does he is he clued into

1991
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:24,880
this like we don't know much 
about valor, whether he's a 

1992
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,960
smart kid or the only moment we 
really get with him is he's 

1993
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:29,800
like, man, don't get away from 
me. 

1994
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:31,680
You're the reason my father's 
dead, which I get it. 

1995
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:34,520
Like he's he's bitter. 
It doesn't mean he's a bad guy. 

1996
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:36,840
I, I, I don't hold that against 
he's dealing with. 

1997
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:41,280
Like 3 weeks later he might have
been kinder to dunk, 2 days 

1998
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,040
prior he might have been kinder 
to dunk. 

1999
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,000
It's hard to know. 
And I, I, I also wondered if 

2000
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,480
maybe Velar even maybe he does 
know it and he's frustrated by 

2001
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:52,400
it. 
You know, maybe he wants a real 

2002
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,840
challenge. 
It's all the old the the crappy 

2003
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:57,560
nights, you know, like he. 
Get he understands he's being 

2004
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,840
coddled maybe, but that and 
that's the question. 

2005
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:02,000
I wonder if he realizes that it 
it would be. 

2006
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:05,640
It's hard because from in on in 
some ways it's really obvious. 

2007
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,360
But in some ways, like when 
you're the recipient of it, you 

2008
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,440
know, when you're in the middle,
when you're raised, like it's 

2009
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:13,400
he's not that old, you know, 
he's kind of, you know, I don't 

2010
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,120
know. 
I wouldn't assume he knows. 

2011
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:16,840
So. 
Yeah. 

2012
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:20,000
It's also, if I remember right, 
just the first day. 

2013
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,160
Maybe he thinks, well, tomorrow,
tomorrow someone will challenge 

2014
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:24,360
me, you know? 
But yeah. 

2015
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,400
I. 
Maybe I want to paint him in a 

2016
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:31,880
brighter light since he's 
Baylor's son, but but maybe, 

2017
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,960
maybe he asked to make sure it 
happened that way, you know, it 

2018
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:36,440
could be the other end of the 
spectrum. 

2019
01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:38,400
You never know. 
You know, like Baylor might have

2020
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,520
put his thumb on the scale just 
a little bit because it's a few 

2021
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,360
a little like one sentence from 
him says a lot, right? 

2022
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,680
Because of who he is. 
Can I just? 

2023
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:51,440
Bring up real quick how fitting 
it is that the Targaryen that 

2024
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:55,280
this is happening to is Valor 
Targaryen, which is the exact 

2025
01:40:55,520 --> 01:41:02,400
opposite of valor. 
Yeah, that's funny. 

2026
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:06,440
Yeah, And it just, it is once 
again reinforces the classism in

2027
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:08,320
place here. 
Valor is getting all these, 

2028
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,320
like, advantages and, like 
helping him win. 

2029
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,000
Yet when someone like Harold 
Harding comes in and just does 

2030
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:17,200
really well on Merritt alone, 
Darian kills his horse and. 

2031
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:19,120
Breaks his. 
Leg, it's so awful. 

2032
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:22,320
It's like this is this sort of 
stuff happens in regular society

2033
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:23,600
all the time. 
We just don't see it. 

2034
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,480
You said Harold, It's Humphrey. 
Oh, Humphrey. 

2035
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:28,080
I'm sorry. 
Yeah, of course the 2 Humphreys 

2036
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:32,160
Harold is of course the current 
character that Sansa's going to 

2037
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,080
marry Harry the heir, getting 
Harry the Heir confused with, I 

2038
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,200
mean, Humphrey. 
The dead, yeah. 

2039
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:38,480
And this happens. 
Again, in the in the misery. 

2040
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:39,400
Now we'll be coming back to 
this. 

2041
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,400
It's like the Knights who lose 
on purpose are rewarded. 

2042
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:45,000
The Knights who refuse to lose 
on purpose get a Lance in the 

2043
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,760
face and false charges of Grand 
Theft Dragon Egg, right? 

2044
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,840
And the plants. 
In the Face comes up from a 

2045
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:56,400
professional tourney knight who 
cheats regularly and talks about

2046
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:57,600
how common it is. 
Right. 

2047
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:02,280
Like it's just, oh man. 
So The Dirty underbelly to 

2048
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:04,840
tournament night, tournaments 
nights and tournaments in 

2049
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:09,400
general is like such a contrast 
to what Sansa sees from our 

2050
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:12,200
first tournament we ever get in 
these books. 

2051
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:16,840
So yeah, what's we have saved 
up? 

2052
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:20,440
Some sort of funny moments? 
Here's one that I think. 

2053
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:22,920
Is kind of funny, but also just 
under the radar. 

2054
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,520
Kind of. 
Well, refer a little tongue in 

2055
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:26,320
cheek, shall we say? 
Or maybe something else in 

2056
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,400
cheek. 
Here's a quote. 

2057
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,640
Lord Karen Harper and singer and
knight of renown touched the 

2058
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:34,080
point of his Lance to Lord 
Tyrell's rose. 

2059
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:36,640
So there's some Leona Rhaegar 
vibes there. 

2060
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:40,320
You know Harper, a guy who's 
both a Harper and a singer and a

2061
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:41,880
rose, right? 
The blue rose. 

2062
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:43,280
It's a gold rose, sort of a blue
rose. 

2063
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,200
But I mostly that line is just 
really gay. 

2064
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,400
Especially if you consider. 
The next line in the same 

2065
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:52,280
context, Sir Jothis, Sir, I 
can't say it. 

2066
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:56,520
Sir Joseph thumped on Sir 
Humphrey Harding's diamonds. 

2067
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:58,840
I. 
Think I'm exaggerating? 

2068
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:01,560
Well, the next line is well, 
shortly. 

2069
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,800
I don't have the next line, but 
shortly after we have the Harp 

2070
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,440
Lord and the Rose Lord. 
We're going at each other 

2071
01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:09,760
lustily with blunted long axes, 
to the delight of the roaring 

2072
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:10,480
crowd. 
So. 

2073
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:13,160
Dunk. 
Certainly doesn't notice what's 

2074
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:16,160
between the lines there. 
But he's not going to notice it 

2075
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,400
when Sir John the Fiddler flirts
with him and says I'd like to 

2076
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:23,720
try my Lance on you. 
So really this is a regular 

2077
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:27,520
feature of the Duncan Ignovelas.
This people, you know, a little 

2078
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,920
bit of mostly it's directed at 
Dunc cuz he's barely pretty hot.

2079
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:34,960
I mean, he's a huge man. 
So that that tracks. 

2080
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:40,040
So that's pretty funny. 
It's also like a connection to 

2081
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:42,840
Brienne. 
Again, Brienne not from maybe 

2082
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,320
getting that Renly was into men 
or just not not mattering to 

2083
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,600
her, but she also, you know, 
Renly had a favorite Tyrell rose

2084
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:56,480
also, who involved some Lance 
point touching staying on the 

2085
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,560
subject of. 
Non. 

2086
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:04,680
CIS relationships we have horses
won't charge a spear wall. 

2087
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,040
OK. 
Well, where are you going with 

2088
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:07,880
this, Aziz? 
What? 

2089
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:11,560
Well, Shay and. 
I had noticed something on video

2090
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:13,240
the other day that was that was 
very amusing. 

2091
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:17,440
Yeah. 
There is a video of, you know, 

2092
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:19,920
how streets they'll do the 
crosswalks, they'll, you know, 

2093
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,760
paint them rainbow for Pride 
month or whatever or, or just in

2094
01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:24,040
general. 
Yeah, we're just in general. 

2095
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,360
Sure. 
So anyways, it was some horses 

2096
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:30,120
with the some of those cop, the 
police horses walking down the 

2097
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:33,120
road and they they, they come 
across one of those rainbow 

2098
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,560
crosswalks and they just would 
not cross it. 

2099
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:38,760
They were, they looked so 
freaked out. 

2100
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:42,800
They were like going around 
like, like sidling around, 

2101
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,800
getting on the sidewalks, doing 
everything they could to avoid 

2102
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,360
it. 
And I don't think it's that they

2103
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,240
aren't comfortable around 
rainbows. 

2104
01:44:50,440 --> 01:44:52,960
I believe it's that they. 
Yeah. 

2105
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,760
Yeah. 
Homophobic horses. 

2106
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,760
No, I don't think it's that. 
I think it was just really 

2107
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:58,920
unusual to them. 
They. 

2108
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,200
They aren't used to that sort of
thing on the ground. 

2109
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:03,080
And the horses got spooked by 
it. 

2110
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:06,400
And then the other horses kind 
of followed suit with the first 

2111
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:07,240
horse. 
Yeah. 

2112
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:07,800
It's really neat. 
They're. 

2113
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:09,760
Just like really afraid of this 
rainbow crosswalk. 

2114
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,400
But I, I think it's color cause 
horses don't see the same colors

2115
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:13,640
as we do. 
And it might look black. 

2116
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:18,800
Like we one time put our cat's 
food dish on this red Matt and 

2117
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,400
he didn't, he was freaked out. 
He was like, what the hell is 

2118
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:23,320
this 'cause I think it looked 
like a black hole to him, 'cause

2119
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:25,800
cats don't see red that well, 
'cause he was like, he was like 

2120
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,080
touching with the tip of his 
pawlik. 

2121
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:28,960
What is that like? 
Oh my God. 

2122
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:30,560
So yeah, it was probably 
something like this where it 

2123
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,440
just looked like a pit, probably
like, like, Oh my God. 

2124
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:35,840
So, yeah, horses don't charge a 
spear wall. 

2125
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:37,720
And this is this is historically
interesting. 

2126
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:42,800
Horses, like a trick in ancient 
warfare was to open a gap in the

2127
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,560
infantry lines, not just so you 
could have like a physical space

2128
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,840
to charge through and and 
disrupt their cohesion. 

2129
01:45:50,440 --> 01:45:52,960
But physically the horses 
wouldn't charge unless that was 

2130
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,960
there. 
They needed to see that or they 

2131
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:59,160
just wouldn't do it because, you
know, horses aren't most 

2132
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:01,280
intelligent animals, but they're
not suicidal. 

2133
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:05,160
They're not like yay, like they 
they're not completely blind to 

2134
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:09,200
the danger of running into what 
looks like a wall of people. 

2135
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:11,840
They may not realize the Spears 
are dangerous, but it's still 

2136
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,720
like animals don't run into 
walls. 

2137
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,920
Like at high. 
Speeds like on the regular. 

2138
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:23,640
So there's just some basic 
common sense here, you know? 

2139
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:27,560
That reminds me of the, the, the
horses and the rainbows and 

2140
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:29,200
such. 
It reminds me of a video I saw. 

2141
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,880
I think it was an Aussie man 
reviews you know how you like 

2142
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,920
and it's it's two horses coming 
down a trail and there's a 

2143
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,600
little Bunny rabbit on the trail
and he's just freeze. 

2144
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,360
They like step forward and step 
back and like the human's trying

2145
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:48,160
to coax them and they're like 
and Elzamine's like doing the 

2146
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:50,360
horse's thoughts about like you 
go first. 

2147
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:51,760
I'm not doing it. 
That thing could get us. 

2148
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,880
Have you seen them? 
It was hilarious. 

2149
01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:55,440
I. 
Think I've seen that one. 

2150
01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:57,840
He also does one where there's 
that one where the geese, the 

2151
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,920
geese and the cows and there's 
or one goose and there's all 

2152
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:02,760
these cows that are like 
charging the goose. 

2153
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:07,000
And the goose does not back down
like a, a cow comes full speed 

2154
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:08,680
at the goose and it doesn't 
flinch at all. 

2155
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,840
Like it doesn't even take one 
step back and the, and the cow 

2156
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:12,920
stops. 
The cow's like it. 

2157
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,240
It breaks its charge because 
it's like it's so thrown by the 

2158
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:20,160
goose's insane courage. 
It wasn't. 

2159
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:23,320
It might be a stone goose and a 
cow doesn't want to hurt itself.

2160
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,120
It's like rambling over. 
Which brings us. 

2161
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:29,320
Back to the point, animals don't
charge stationary objects. 

2162
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,600
Very. 
Often, unless you make them, 

2163
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:36,400
really. 
Mad real quick as well, Nina did

2164
01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:39,320
us the favor of of doing a 
rundown of what happens to the 

2165
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,880
challengers and the Champions. 
It's not it's mostly not good. 

2166
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,600
Humphrey Harding of course, dies
by the end of the tournament. 

2167
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,280
He's killed during the trial of 
seven. 

2168
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,680
Medgar Tully dies within two 
years the tourney. 

2169
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:53,560
We don't know why he's succeeded
by an 8 year old and that 

2170
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:56,280
becomes you know, that's brought
up during the mystery night. 

2171
01:47:57,480 --> 01:48:01,520
Damon Lancher, the Gray Lion, 
dies of the Spring Sickness next

2172
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,200
year. 
Tybalt Lannister, who we see as 

2173
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,920
a challenger, dies under 
suspicious circumstances in 212 

2174
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:13,480
AC, and Sorrell becomes Lady of 
Cashley Rock, but she dies less 

2175
01:48:13,480 --> 01:48:16,480
than a year later as well, which
also perhaps suspicious. 

2176
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:20,320
Valar dies of the Great Spring 
Sickness as well, so he doesn't 

2177
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:21,880
even last a full year after 
this. 

2178
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:24,280
Leo Tyrell? 
Leo Longthorne? 

2179
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:28,400
No idea, but he's already 
considered older here and he's 

2180
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,600
said to be ailing by 2:12, so 
yeah, he probably just doesn't 

2181
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,200
doesn't last much longer. 
Lionel lasts for a while. 

2182
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:38,800
He lives at least till the two 
40s, so he's around for quite a 

2183
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:40,720
while. 
He does have a rebellion. 

2184
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:47,400
It's his daughter that was 
supposed to marry Duncan, the 

2185
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,960
Prince of Dragonflies, who 
because he goes and marries 

2186
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:52,800
Jenny of old Stones instead, you
know, Jenny's song. 

2187
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:58,640
So that results in a rebellion 
and a trial by combat. 

2188
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:00,520
This one you might not know 
about. 

2189
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:04,800
Sean, did you know that that 
that much later that Lionel 

2190
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:07,880
Baratheon will fight a trial by 
combat against Duncan the Tall? 

2191
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:09,680
No, really. 
Yeah. 

2192
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,760
If there's a really famous piece
of artwork in the World of Ice 

2193
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,200
and Fire, it's huge. 
Full page of the two of them in 

2194
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,480
their full armor. 
The Laughing Storm with his big 

2195
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:20,600
antlers and and his big. 
I guess it's a big. 

2196
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:22,080
Hammer. 
Does he have a hammer or an axe 

2197
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,400
or something and then dunk and 
his full kingsguard? 

2198
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:26,800
You'll have to. 
Read The World of Ice and Fire 

2199
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,600
to see how that goes. 
It is cool. 

2200
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:31,200
Yeah, it's very cool and it has 
an interesting resolution. 

2201
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:33,720
I'll leave it there. 
We'll leave it unresolved for 

2202
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:38,320
you so you can experience it the
way it was intended or close to 

2203
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:39,720
it. 
Now the. 

2204
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:42,520
Ashford brothers. 
This probably wasn't very good 

2205
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:43,240
for any of them. 
This. 

2206
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:46,840
The family probably took a hit 
prestige wise after this 

2207
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:49,080
happened under their watch, even
though it really wasn't their 

2208
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:51,200
fault. 
And of course, the Hightowers, 

2209
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:54,640
we talk about how they're about 
to have a big old plague, not 

2210
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:57,320
about to it's, you know, maybe a
decade or two, but that's 

2211
01:49:57,320 --> 01:50:00,480
obviously going to definitely 
Abelar will be gone by then. 

2212
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,240
The accident, the quote UN quote
accident, not an accident at 

2213
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:07,400
all. 
Of course, we we saw what 

2214
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:11,720
happens. 
There's Dunk because he's still 

2215
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:15,760
has the wool over his eyes about
chivalry and naivete, about 

2216
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,440
knighthood offers the 
possibility there was an 

2217
01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:22,280
accident. 
But Egg is like, without saying 

2218
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:25,080
he knows that guy. 
He's like, I know that guy, that

2219
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:28,080
wasn't an accident. 
And yeah, no one. 

2220
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:29,280
There's really no argument 
there. 

2221
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:30,840
It was definitely on purpose, 
especially after we. 

2222
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:34,080
Just talked earlier about how 
the the Knights can be very 

2223
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,120
adapted, what they're adept at, 
what they're doing. 

2224
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:40,400
And it this wasn't even like 
the, you know, 6 inches 

2225
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:43,960
difference between like the the 
helm and the shield. 

2226
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,920
This is like the 2 foot 
difference between the neck of 

2227
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:50,000
the horse and the shield. 
So by the way, another. 

2228
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,680
Reason to another piece of art 
to check out shared in our 

2229
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:56,160
Facebook group by Shaya was 
carrying bright flames like 

2230
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,440
tournament regalia, his armor 
and his like, flaming Cape. 

2231
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:02,120
And it looks awesome like you 
would be. 

2232
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:06,760
I mean that it's hard to imagine
a more intimidating set of 

2233
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:08,640
armor. 
Now of course these Knights are 

2234
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:11,400
not going to be intimidated by 
just, you know, the shape of 

2235
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:15,640
someone's armor. 
But the idea might be the reason

2236
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,840
Aryan in one chose to fight the 
lowest born guy there would be. 

2237
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:23,080
Perhaps to get him to go easy 
on. 

2238
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:25,440
Maybe he thinks that they won't 
try as hard against him because 

2239
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:27,960
he's a Prince and this guy's so 
low born he might think class 

2240
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:30,080
protects him a little bit. 
Of course, he doesn't even let 

2241
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:31,640
it get that far. 
He just Spears the guy's horse 

2242
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,400
right away before there's. 
Anything else? 

2243
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:39,320
Could even happen. 
Interestingly, of all the people

2244
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:43,480
to have their horse killed under
them during the Hands tournament

2245
01:51:43,480 --> 01:51:46,280
early in A Game of Thrones is 
Barack Dandarian's horse was 

2246
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:49,000
killed by a hedge knight in a 
checkered cloak. 

2247
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,000
A checkered cloak. 
That checkered cloak that's 

2248
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:57,520
Humphrey Harding has checkered 
has red and white diamond. 

2249
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,640
He's got a checkered cloak. 
So of course this is not 

2250
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,400
obviously not the same guy or 
even the same family, but it 

2251
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,160
might be George having a little 
fun with the reversal there. 

2252
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:08,920
Because it's a low, the lowborn 
knight kills the highborn 

2253
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:13,040
instead of the other way around.
And of course. 

2254
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:17,480
Very famously, Willis Tyrell 
fought Oberyn Martel in a 

2255
01:52:17,480 --> 01:52:20,680
tournament and that's what cost 
him his leg. 

2256
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:24,600
Now, that, of course, according 
to Oberyn, wasn't really his 

2257
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,800
fault, and Oberyn makes a decent
case that Willis wasn't ready to

2258
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:32,720
be fighting in such company. 
But there's still an element of 

2259
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:35,440
chivalry to that, right? 
Like, well, Barris and the Bold 

2260
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:37,200
shouldn't have been fighting in 
that tournament either. 

2261
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:40,480
But that doesn't mean you have 
to, like, treat him like he's 

2262
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:43,240
not a boy, like he's a 
competitor in the tournament. 

2263
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:47,080
I'm not going to go light on him
even though he's 10 so. 

2264
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:49,600
Clearly. 
Duncan the Prince of 

2265
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,840
Dragonflies, has a different 
attitude than Oberyn Martel, but

2266
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:57,880
we knew that already. 
This moment, Sean, how did this 

2267
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:00,120
moment hit strike you when 
you're reading the story the 

2268
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:05,280
first time? 
I think we're all dunk when you 

2269
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:09,520
know, he didn't believe he was 
really going to snap her finger,

2270
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,640
even though like there's no 
reason not to believe it because

2271
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:14,040
of who he is. 
Like ah, it's so visceral. 

2272
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:17,320
It's like you get the horse 
being speared and that's like 

2273
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:19,840
way bloodier and gorier and it's
probably a lot louder. 

2274
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:23,400
But this is like, this is so 
human and like, ah, finger I I'm

2275
01:53:23,400 --> 01:53:26,480
I'm always a little like little 
weaker kneed when it comes to 

2276
01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:28,760
hand injuries because my mother 
is a musician and she's real 

2277
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:32,760
cautious with her fingers. 
And that that that was imparted 

2278
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:36,600
to me by osmosis. 
So I don't know, maybe that's 

2279
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:38,400
just a little bit of me. 
But that's just something that 

2280
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:42,160
this is so just man. 
It just brings back memories of 

2281
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:45,920
like childhood bullies and just 
people picking on people they 

2282
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:48,320
can't help. 
Just like you hate it so much. 

2283
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:49,480
It really, it's really well 
done. 

2284
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:50,960
Really. 
Like in terms of writing. 

2285
01:53:51,480 --> 01:53:53,600
Yeah, even. 
The second time reading it, when

2286
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:58,200
I, I kind of knew it was coming,
I was like, oh, oh, I had to put

2287
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:00,200
the book down for just a second.
It's exactly. 

2288
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:03,680
It's really hard to sometimes 
like on TV or movies or I guess 

2289
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:08,840
some books or whatever when. 14.
People are gutted by chainsaws 

2290
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:10,560
and blood splattered on the 
wall. 

2291
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:13,640
You know, some hyper violent 
something out of the Boys or 

2292
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:17,520
Quentin Tarantino movie. 
It's not as bad as when sewing. 

2293
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:21,040
It's their finger broke. 
Something a little more simple 

2294
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:24,880
and realistic, more relatable. 
It's like how Oh geez. 

2295
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:28,200
And another thing I can't help 
but think, oh, Casanova 

2296
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:30,400
sighting. 
Another thing I can't help but 

2297
01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,880
think about too, is the 
implications. 

2298
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:36,280
Not just like the pain of that 
moment, but she's a puppeteer. 

2299
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:39,120
How's she going to do her job 
anymore with a broken finger? 

2300
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,080
You know it's and not just. 
That they've destroyed. 

2301
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:43,640
All her. 
Puppets like everything they 

2302
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:44,920
burned. 
Exactly. 

2303
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:48,120
Yeah. 
It's ruining someone's. 

2304
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,400
Life it's it's a real. 
Parallel to what Dunk is worried

2305
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:52,440
about, like Dunk is worried that
if he doesn't win his first 

2306
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,520
match, he loses his armor, his 
horse, his livelihood. 

2307
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,560
It's the same thing. 
She just lost that. 

2308
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,760
Now we've come to find out she 
has an uncle that made the 

2309
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:03,560
puppet so she could, she 
probably has, you know, a way to

2310
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:07,040
get going again. 
But still Aryan doesn't know 

2311
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:08,440
that. 
He doesn't think of that at all.

2312
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,080
He's just just pure 
authoritarian, pure cruelty, 

2313
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:13,080
just. 
They're in. 

2314
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:13,720
He doesn't. 
Care. 

2315
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:17,080
You know, like. 
The punishment fitting a crime 

2316
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:19,480
is a key part of modern justice,
you know. 

2317
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:23,520
And this just not yeah, it's 
like we like we assuming it was.

2318
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:25,960
Even a crime she was committing,
you know, that's what I was 

2319
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:27,320
going to say. 
It's like, this isn't even a 

2320
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:30,400
crime like this in in America 
anyway. 

2321
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:32,840
And plenty of other places 
around the world we really like 

2322
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:35,920
harp on the fact that we're 
allowed to say almost anything 

2323
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:37,920
we want. 
Like it's a pretty important 

2324
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:42,480
part of of American culture. 
This is not in this society you 

2325
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,520
can't. 
Like this is proof, like it's 

2326
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:50,240
not against the law what she 
did, but it's unwise, right? 

2327
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:53,680
Because there's people like 
Aryan walking around who can do 

2328
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:55,400
this and probably get away with 
it. 

2329
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:58,800
Like it's it's very unlikely 
that Aryan didn't get away with 

2330
01:55:58,800 --> 01:55:59,920
this. 
Like the fact that he didn't get

2331
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:01,960
away with this was was the upset
here. 

2332
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:04,920
Like he's probably done similar 
things and gotten away with it. 

2333
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:06,560
The exception. 
Yeah, you're right. 

2334
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:08,280
This is the exception rather 
than the rule. 

2335
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,000
Is Aryan doing this kind of 
thing to someone? 

2336
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,920
And that's it. 
No consequences for him, lots of

2337
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,480
consequences for his victim. 
And that's the end of it. 

2338
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:18,800
Well, not for them, but for him.
He he won't. 

2339
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:20,280
He probably doesn't even think 
about it again. 

2340
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,520
Now, we've alerted you all to 
countless times that George 

2341
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:27,800
loves to give answers to riddles
before giving the Riddle itself.

2342
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:31,160
He has a kind of a micro version
of that here. 

2343
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,200
Here's an egg. 
Easter egg. 

2344
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,880
The King's 4th. 
Son, said Raymond, not quite as 

2345
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:40,920
bold as Prince Balor, nor as 
clever as Prince Aries, nor as 

2346
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:44,240
gentle as Prince Regal. 
Now he must suffer seeing his 

2347
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:46,320
own sons overshadowed by his 
brothers. 

2348
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:49,240
Daron is a sought, Aaron is vain
and cruel. 

2349
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:52,320
Third Son was so unpromising 
they gave him to the Citadel to 

2350
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,600
make a maestro of them and the 
youngest Sir, Sir. 

2351
01:56:55,600 --> 01:57:02,200
Duncan Egg burst in, panting. 
Yeah, this is I I really 

2352
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:06,840
appreciate this foreshadowing. 
I knew reading this that that 

2353
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:08,840
egg was, you know who, who his 
identity was. 

2354
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:11,240
But like my dad, for example, I 
don't think he knew. 

2355
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:14,320
I don't think I told him. 
I, I don't know if my dad pieced

2356
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:17,080
it together at that point. 
Maybe it's more obvious than I 

2357
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:20,320
realize. 
I wonder how many readers I I, I

2358
01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:24,760
sort of assume most not just but
the 1%, probably like 90% of 

2359
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:28,400
readers starting these books 
already know that I didn't. 

2360
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:30,320
But of course, I read them, you 
know, a long time ago. 

2361
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:32,840
And that was neat. 
I was like, oh, that's so cool. 

2362
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:34,600
Yeah, it was. 
It was a nice legit surprise for

2363
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:36,280
me. 
I definitely didn't catch this 

2364
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:39,320
this moment where Egg jumps in 
just as they're saying and the 

2365
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:42,400
youngest. 
There is. 

2366
01:57:42,440 --> 01:57:45,520
Oh, speak of the devil. 
Egg and you. 

2367
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:49,520
Might say the timing of this is 
quite unlikely and you know, can

2368
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:53,040
I just point out that you. 
Said speak of the devil beg. 

2369
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:56,680
I think we, I think we all move 
past that a little too quick. 

2370
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,960
That's all you have to do it 
when you're me and you make lots

2371
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:02,800
of puns and you're not sure 
which ones are going to be 

2372
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:04,000
funny. 
When no one reacts, you just 

2373
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:05,840
have to keep going because it's 
like, oh, I guess they just 

2374
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:06,640
didn't. 
Like that one? 

2375
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:09,040
You know, it's just, it's just. 
Part of the game, right? 

2376
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:14,200
Some eggs don't hatch, you know.
Yeah, so. 

2377
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,200
It's, it's pretty cool. 
It's only, it's only a few. 

2378
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:19,800
You, you can piece it together. 
Like you can see it like it says

2379
01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:24,280
a few moments earlier. 
He says there's only one brother

2380
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:25,680
unaccounted for. 
It says there's the Bain and 

2381
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:29,000
Crew 1, the SOT and then the 
Citadel. 

2382
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:31,160
The one who went to the he's a 
maester, so he's clearing out 

2383
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:32,040
there. 
And then there's. 

2384
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:35,080
So yeah. 
And then Egg refers to Aryan as 

2385
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:36,640
brother. 
He's like, I didn't want to look

2386
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:38,960
like you brother, you know? 
Yeah. 

2387
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:43,200
And we knew already the 2 
Targaryens were missing, you 

2388
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:45,160
know, there. 
There's so many clues along the 

2389
01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:48,680
way that I agree. 
I think George does a great job 

2390
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:52,720
of giving us a bunch of clues, 
but still hard to even know, 

2391
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:54,680
like you said, what the clues 
are for. 

2392
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:58,520
But then once you realize you're
like, oh, it was right there the

2393
01:58:58,520 --> 01:59:00,640
whole time. 
He's a master of that. 

2394
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,000
It's like a layer. 
It's a whole layer of items. 

2395
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,800
And if you find a part of any 
part of the layer, you, the 

2396
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,960
whole, potentially the whole 
layer is there, but you have to 

2397
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:11,040
see the layer to find any of the
layer. 

2398
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,800
You have to find one, one part 
of it, any one part of it leads 

2399
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:15,600
to the rest of it. 
But if you don't catch any one 

2400
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:17,840
part of it, you won't get there.
It's like R + L equals J. 

2401
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,440
There's a ton of clues for it, 
but if you don't start off on 

2402
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:23,920
that track, you might, you'd be 
like, and then it's just like a 

2403
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:26,240
flood, you know? 
Realization. 

2404
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:30,200
By the way. 
The third son was so unpromising

2405
01:59:30,200 --> 01:59:32,520
they gave him to the Citadel. 
How dare they? 

2406
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:37,120
How dare you? 
1st I have several questions. 

2407
01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:42,320
First of all, how dare you? 
Yeah, you know, I. 

2408
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:47,280
I tend to think of of Raymond 
not that poorly, but that's not 

2409
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,360
a great comment. 
Yeah, I guess he just doesn't. 

2410
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,840
Know he's just it's all rumor he
he he doesn't know him 

2411
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,520
personally but. 
Still, it's also maybe. 

2412
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:56,640
More from the warrior 
perspective, right? 

2413
01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:59,760
This is someone who wants to be 
a knight at a tournament. 

2414
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,240
You know, they they have a 
different standard of what makes

2415
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:04,480
someone. 
You know, good or a good leader 

2416
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:05,560
or whatever. 
Yeah. 

2417
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:07,320
That's funny too, because for 
better or worse. 

2418
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,200
And and Raymond. 
Says poor Makar because of all 

2419
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:12,000
his kids, but that's going to 
change because of how you know 

2420
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:15,760
so many Targaryens die and then 
Makar actually becomes king and 

2421
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:18,800
the other things happened the 
the the sons do quite well in 

2422
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,960
the third Blackfyre rebellion. 
Even though Aryan sucks, he 

2423
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:26,360
apparently was a capable warrior
and was useful at least in that 

2424
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:27,840
regard during the during the 
war. 

2425
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:31,000
And Egg was also a very good 
warrior, so that turned out 

2426
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:33,440
well. 
Also, I guess the lack of 

2427
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:37,240
Makar's reputation as the hanvil
in the Hammer in the Anvil 

2428
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:40,520
scenario that happened during 
the Battle of the Red Grass 

2429
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:44,040
Field, that would make him look 
better because he was definitely

2430
02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:47,440
a war hero. 
So of course, because of this, 

2431
02:00:47,480 --> 02:00:53,200
Dunk rushes off to save Tanzel. 
Now, this reminds us of, we've 

2432
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:56,800
compared Joffrey to Aryan, but 
it's Joffrey's mother that is 

2433
02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:00,680
has a parallel here. 
And or you can maybe you can 

2434
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:03,600
maybe throw a little Kyburn into
this because, you know, Kyburn 

2435
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:08,880
is the one that asks for these 
prisoners to experiment on. 

2436
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:11,480
So he's the worst of all, 
perhaps. 

2437
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:14,360
But you know, take your pick. 
They're all terrible. 

2438
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:18,280
Here's the line of that when 
Kyburn is telling Cersei the 

2439
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:21,480
equivalent example of what Aryan
reacts to here. 

2440
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:25,160
In 209 AC at Ashford, he gave 
her an. 

2441
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:27,840
Apologetic smile and told her of
a puppet show that had recently 

2442
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:31,680
become popular amongst city 
small folk puppet show where in 

2443
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:34,400
the Kingdom of the Beast was 
ruled by a pride of halting 

2444
02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:36,680
lions. 
Puppet lions grow greedy and 

2445
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:41,040
arrogant and as this treasonous 
tale proceeds until they until 

2446
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:42,920
they begin to devour their own 
subjects. 

2447
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:46,560
When the noble stag makes 
objection the lions devour him 

2448
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,840
as well and roar that it is 
their right is the mightiest of 

2449
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:52,080
beasts. 
And is that the end of it? 

2450
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:54,680
Cersei asks, amused. 
Looking at it. 

2451
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:57,960
Looked at in the right light, it
could be seen as a salutary 

2452
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,560
lesson. 
Know, your grace, at the end a 

2453
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,760
dragon hatches from an egg and 
devours all of the lions. 

2454
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:06,480
The end. 
He took the puppet show from 

2455
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:08,760
civil insolence to treason. 
Yeah, so that's Cersei's. 

2456
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:11,000
Inner thought there. 
Cersei is the one declaring that

2457
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:15,160
it's treason and of course as I 
just said, she gives the puppet 

2458
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:19,600
puppeteers to Kyber so. 
That's as far as being. 

2459
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:21,200
Punished for treason? 
It's even worse than the 

2460
02:02:21,200 --> 02:02:23,640
standard punishment for treason.
Normally you're executed or sent

2461
02:02:23,640 --> 02:02:26,040
to the wall, but they're given 
to Kybren is worse than either 

2462
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:30,680
of those things by far, and kind
of a ironic twist of sorts. 

2463
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:33,880
Obviously it's not on an 
obviously wasn't intended by 

2464
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:38,640
Aryan, but Dunk was probably 
going to lose everything by 

2465
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:41,520
entering this tournament. 
He was probably going to fail in

2466
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:44,120
his first joust, get beat, lose 
all his stuff. 

2467
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:50,320
So in a very indirect way, Aryan
going and doing his bad thing to

2468
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:54,360
Tanzel saved him not only from 
losing everything but propelled 

2469
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:56,920
him more towards his trajectory 
of becoming Lord Commander of 

2470
02:02:56,920 --> 02:02:58,960
the Kingsguard and being Eve 
Little. 

2471
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:01,360
Faith, You don't think he was 
going to beat the Lord? 

2472
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:04,560
Yeah. 
That's it. 

2473
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:07,920
Yeah, Yeah. 
We'll never. 

2474
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:15,440
Know we'll never know. 
OK, well, that's a good stopping

2475
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:17,280
point. 
We're right at the point where 

2476
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:22,160
the Duncan is accosted and beat 
up by Aryan's men. 

2477
02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:25,520
So next time we'll get to the 
climax of the story itself and 

2478
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,440
probably be able to finish it. 
We'll be able to discuss the 

2479
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:32,640
death of Baylor directly, the 
similarities to things like 

2480
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:35,560
Makar and Stannis killing their 
own brother and and not taking 

2481
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:37,760
responsibility, full 
responsibility for it. 

2482
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:40,520
Lots of other parallels, lots of
other fun stuff. 

2483
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:45,000
And we've got a few things that 
we've saved up, such as the 

2484
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:48,360
aforementioned parallels, but 
also a bunch of funny lines. 

2485
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:50,920
Sean and I have taken a note of 
some good quotes. 

2486
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:53,560
A few of them we've already, 
we've already cited, as you 

2487
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:56,400
know, but we've got several more
that'll be fun. 

2488
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:58,880
That'll be one of the last 
things we do, kind of a nice way

2489
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:00,880
to. 
Do our send. 

2490
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:04,160
Off in between stories. 
And then of course, we'll be 

2491
02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:08,240
getting to The Sworn Sword the 
week after we finished the Hedge

2492
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:09,640
Night. 
We'll see how that goes. 

2493
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:13,880
So folks, if you have questions 
that you want answered, since 

2494
02:04:13,880 --> 02:04:16,160
we'll probably be moving on from
the Hedge night, this is the 

2495
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:18,480
best time to get them in. 
If you have questions relating 

2496
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:20,640
direct to the Hedge night, if 
they're just relating overall to

2497
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,880
Duncan Egg, well, they can be 
fit in pretty much anytime 

2498
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:26,280
during this run through of three
stories. 

2499
02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:28,920
But we do appreciate any 
questions you send. 

2500
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:32,720
We enjoy answering your 
questions, but if you don't send

2501
02:04:32,720 --> 02:04:34,840
them, we'll be just fine. 
We have plenty to say without 

2502
02:04:34,840 --> 02:04:38,080
them too. 
Yeah, thanks everyone for coming

2503
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:40,560
today. 
Appreciate if you came live and 

2504
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,280
asked questions and hang out in 
the chat that is awesome. 

2505
02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:45,800
But if you also catch it 
afterwards, that is also 

2506
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:48,760
awesome. 
We appreciate you listening and 

2507
02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:52,800
or watching and or participating
in all the different many ways 

2508
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,440
we have available to participate
or not. 

2509
02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:57,000
If you choose to just be a 
listener, that is fine too. 

2510
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:58,800
We are cool with. 
All. 

2511
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:00,920
Shapes and sizes of 
participation. 

2512
02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:03,800
You do what is best for you, 
what is most comfortable for 

2513
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:06,200
you, and we'll just keep putting
episodes out. 

2514
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:11,240
Thanks as well to our all of our
people who keeping our social 

2515
02:05:11,240 --> 02:05:15,440
media sites running and healthy 
history Westeros mods, our 

2516
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:19,960
Discord mods, everybody on 
Facebook, everybody doing all 

2517
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:22,760
the things helping keep our 
discussions extra cool. 

2518
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:26,840
Thanks again to Nina. 
Thanks again to Michael Klarfeld

2519
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:29,640
for the maps and our video 
intro. 

2520
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:32,160
Thanks to Kevin McLeod for the 
Valeritas music. 

2521
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:34,880
Thanks to Joey Townsend and 
Jesse Koval for the regular 

2522
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:37,320
History of Westeros intro outro 
music. 

2523
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:41,160
Thanks to our Ben Genier for 
editing and sound quality 

2524
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:46,040
assistance. 
I do the, you know, editing as 

2525
02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:48,400
far as what gets cut and what 
doesn't, but then works on the 

2526
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:51,040
sound quality. 
We want a shout out, of course, 

2527
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:53,920
as we often do our friends at 
Hereby Dragons, they are 

2528
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:56,680
discussing the Clone Wars again.
They've done the Clone Wars 

2529
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:58,280
before, but now they're up to 
Season 6. 

2530
02:05:58,280 --> 02:05:59,960
There's a lot of Clone Wars to 
discuss. 

2531
02:06:00,280 --> 02:06:05,200
It's one of the biggest series 
of Star Wars material outside of

2532
02:06:05,200 --> 02:06:06,360
the movies. 
Probably the biggest. 

2533
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:10,240
While we're bringing up. 
Star Wars Everybody should read 

2534
02:06:10,240 --> 02:06:12,640
the High Republic books. 
They are quite. 

2535
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:15,360
Bad I. 
Really was actually blown away 

2536
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:17,560
by the most recent book. 
It was really good. 

2537
02:06:17,640 --> 02:06:21,840
So there's my my recommendation 
of the week the word first was 

2538
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:23,160
called. 
Light of the Jedi second was 

2539
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:26,440
called the Rising Storm. 
They're set like say I shed in 

2540
02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:28,640
the High Republics. 
There's quite a while ago. 

2541
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:29,960
There's not a lot of familiar 
characters. 

2542
02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:32,560
There's only one character 
you've heard of Yoda. 

2543
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:34,280
Yoda, he's. 
Not really in it, he just. 

2544
02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:37,760
Mentioned. 
But that's the cool thing. 

2545
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:40,520
You have all these Jedi and 
they, a lot of them get full 

2546
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:42,160
introductions and a little bit 
of back story. 

2547
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:44,480
You have no idea which ones are 
going to die and which ones are.

2548
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:48,480
So the conflict is pretty legit,
the tension pretty legit. 

2549
02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:50,000
They're all page turners. 
They're not. 

2550
02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:51,960
It's not high literature. 
It is the High Republic. 

2551
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:53,680
But it's good. 
It's very solid. 

2552
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:57,480
It's well written, page turning,
good action adventure. 

2553
02:06:57,640 --> 02:06:59,800
Star Wars is fun if you like 
Star Wars. 

2554
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:02,200
Interesting. 
Themes that you would imagine, 

2555
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:05,040
you know, about the 
militarization of the Republic 

2556
02:07:05,080 --> 02:07:09,520
and the the fall of the Jedi and
just how they get to the kind of

2557
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:13,840
inferior version that they are 
during the prequels. 

2558
02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:15,400
Yeah, it's really good. 
Very. 

2559
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:17,640
Good. 
We have. 

2560
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:19,240
Given a rousing rendition of 
that. 

2561
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:21,920
And with that, we'll say 
goodbye, everyone. 

2562
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:26,720
Thanks again and until next week
for more Bella Reece.