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you were there during the live 
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a little wonky, well, that's 
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Other than that, it should be a 
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The sewing has occurred, and it 
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That's of course a line written 
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appearance from Crescent's point
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Clash of Kings, but it clearly 
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Relore is the God of fire and 
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Vermithrillor played that role 
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you watched it. 
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epic, an achievement. 
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looking more like a series of 
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I guess that line is starting to
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still, it looked like it 
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I would love to see it on the 
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Maybe we'll all get that chance.
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Blacks to this point was 
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Getting around her, dealing with
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They can match her, outnumber 
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The tables of turn. 
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Dragons did so in a variety of 
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It's quite a power to invest in 
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It's quite a power to receive as
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Faith in the gods. 
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setting, But they aren't the 
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The Seven are omnipresent, and 
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a Werewood. 
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Vermithor, not also a form of 
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a God like being. 
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that way. 
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the gods provide, and how the 
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When you speak for or go against
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dragon keepers as it does 
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Along with those higher powers. 
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the plotting, the Dragons, the 
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of the season. 
So we've got all that and more 

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on this episode of History of 
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Hello and welcome back to our 
review of episode seven. 

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We will not have any spoilers 
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little better, but I think I got
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And every Saturday we do preview
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from the books, from trailers 
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And well, we'll be doing that 
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If you're in the New York area, 
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where our episode will be live. 
And of course, we'll be back 

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this time as well next week for 
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How's it going, Sean? 
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You enjoyed that episode, I'm 
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I did it was great. 
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but even the one I like least I 
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So that's not too negative. 
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it's the episode versus the 
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I'm I'm I'm frustrated. 
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people to their deaths. 
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handled differently but. 
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talk about today for sure. 
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So we are basically turning into
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end and we want to see like 
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beginning to end and and look at
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of more things to come. 
Pita chick says I love how 

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Silverwing said if my husband 
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looks at all Well you're here. 
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owner and Shay and I are cat 
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just some animals just pick what
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accounting for it. 
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specifically trying to keep it 
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What or if there are rules for 
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behind the scenes content that 
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Wanted to give you some ideas, 
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think about. 
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maybe this is but. 
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reveal the whole answer, just 
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It's supposed to be an object of
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object of mystery. 
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quote whole answer, like right, 
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dog? 
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general guidelines, but every 
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I don't think so, right? 
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is, what breed it is, what the 
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Dragons. 
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were gods, I mean, the name of 
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right? 
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the episode. 
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Dragons Built, which is a 
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detail about production and 
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House that Dragons Built a shot 
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about the technical side of 
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about like Eamon thought this, 
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minute ish behind the scenes one
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processes, right. 
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and how they let people on fire,
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Edgers important questions. 

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expensive to make, but you might
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weirwood was actually quite a 
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tree. 
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Harrenhal weirwood is George RR 
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have realized that they used his
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really sweet. 
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one. 
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Well, just a face tree model. 
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You gave your basic take on the 
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Let's talk about that. 
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picking out a favorite 
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I'll tell you my My favorite 
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Lords, and based on that, I'm 
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even Oscar. 
That I think that kid stood out.

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He reminded me of Liana Mormont 
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series, so it had that energy. 
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That's that's a great take. 
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because I'm I'm currently 
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asked somebody else about about 
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young Oscar. 
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That was you. 
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it to you too, because I've seen
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We're not alone. 
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know, leader of their house that
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know, someone older and more 
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coached, you hear? 
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she did, you know, if the 
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vibe when they put it in the 
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Well, we did our usual weekly 
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Facebook group, and currently 
the winner is the SFX team for 

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the Dragons, but Oscar Archie 
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So yeah, he's doing really well 
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argue with that. 
He's certainly up there for me 

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as well. 
But as Shea, what were your 

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I would say I really loved this 
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I did vote for Archie Barnes. 
I am somewhat biased. 

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I don't think I've said this on 
the podcast yet. 

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I don't think I've actually 
announced it or said anything 

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about it. 
But at Dragon Con this year, I'm

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gonna be wearing Oscar Tully. 
Muppet costume listener and 

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friend Chuck has made Kermit 
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and Oscar Tully, so I was really
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performance. 
I liked the layers of how they 

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were kind of playing up the 
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Damon. 
I thought you could really tell 

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that layer, which was good 
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really liked you and ulf I, I 
think that they did a good job 

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throughout the season of 
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I was really invested by the 
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And like when I saw them in the 
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he is. 
You know, there's the ones we 

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I just loved it. 
I'm I'm really excited to see 

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more of our dragon seeds. 
Heck, yeah. 

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I have a similar take. 
I really, really liked Archie 

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Barnes. 
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ulf I had AI had a hard time. 
Like you, Sean, it's really 

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difficult to pick a single best 
performance. 

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I've only been able to like, 
clearly do that once or twice. 

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I'm like, OK, this time. 
I know this isn't one of those 

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times. 
Although I think I would pick 

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ulf just so many good 
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A lot of characters that only 
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line, and still some of those 
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So yeah, just another, another 
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Overall. 
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though, I think I would say it's
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season in terms of that. 
The the just the all the 

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roaring, the flames, the 
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that we've had in the past with 
different takes on it, like 

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modified versions of that with 
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executing Willem, which might 
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It was like a disassociative 
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So that was really good. 
So just elements beyond acting 

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and story, I thought were among 
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I I. 
Do want to say that I feel like 

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whenever Emma Darcy is featured,
they're my favorite. 

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They just haven't been as 

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featured as much as these past 
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time deciding. 
But whenever Raniera has more of

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a focal point to the episode 
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that's been my favorite each 
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Olf. 
Yeah, that olf was, I don't 

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know, I was dismissive of him, 
frustrated with him early on. 

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But I, I like him a little bit 
more this episode because I feel

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like he kind of had to face 
himself, his lies, his his 

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integrity or whatever it came 
into question. 

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And he had a little growth here 
and they got a little humor out 

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of it too. 
But I'm sure we'll talk about 

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that more as we get through 
here. 

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Yeah. 
I just really appreciate the 

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range of emotions he expresses, 
like the just different. 

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His face just says so much. 
Yeah, I just love that. 

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We'll talk about it more later, 
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that I think it's growth for ulf
to fake it till he makes it, you

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know? 
Like, is that really great? 

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Is that learning your lesson 
about being a liar? 

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Not really. 
That's saying, yeah, keep 

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guessing everyone. 
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enjoying him, so, you know. 
Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll see. 

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OK. 
Yeah, We'll talk about him more 

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later. 
So Jenny P sends a super chat. 

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No question. 
Thank you, Jenny. 

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I appreciate that. 
We'll start where the episode 

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starts, with Dragonstone on the 
beach. 

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Not a vacation, but it goes 
pretty well for Rainier. 

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Clinton Liberty pointed out 
that's Adam pointed out this 

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shot, the scene was shot the day
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bonding scenes. 
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weather changed a lot, which 
worked out really well for them.

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Like it was this a nice sunny 
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this day it's stormy. 
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the scene cause Rainier is wary 
at first. 

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He's no idea what the Hell's 
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Like who the heck is this guy? 
Why does he have my husband's, 

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my ex husband's dragon, You 
know, And she's really used to 

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people using her power as 
leverage for their own power. 

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She's been betrayed a lot, 
people talking down to her. 

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She hasn't had a lot of people 
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and obey. 
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it happens, like, wait, you're 
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he's so convincing and earnest. 
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And and he has a line that just 
spells out a lot of what the 

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episode has, which is he says, 
if the gods have called me to 

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greater things, then who am I to
deny them? 

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That becomes like a touchstone 
of this episode, letting the 

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gods decide whether the gods are
Dragons or just fate or destiny.

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And a lot of the actions taken 
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should be seen through that 
light, whether they're a dragon 

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seed thinking I've got a chance,
maybe I'm chosen by the gods, or

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whether it's Reyna out there 
thinking why the heck else is a 

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dragon here? 
I'm the only Targaryen here. 

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Like, doesn't this seem like the
gods have sort of intervened? 

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It it can be interpreted that 
way in a world that has more 

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belief in the the the gods above
and deities and the 

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supernatural. 
Yeah, I don't believe in that 

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sort of thing. 
And I can't help but see how how

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you would make that jump, right?
Like, it seems so wild for there

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to be a dragon with Raina in the
Veil when she needs a dragon. 

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I, I Yeah. 
This just like this the dragon 

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just chose like Rainier had 
never heard of such a thing. 

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Like maybe. 
Yeah. 

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So it just seems like, like 
Missouri said, something has 

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changed. 
You know, Rainier I can see 

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being a little quicker to jump 
to the I don't know, destiny 

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conclusion because she knows 
there's this fire and ice 

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prophecy, right? 
Good point. 

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But it it reminds me that she 
should have freaking told that 

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to Bayla. 
It's Raina, Raina. 

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Raina, sorry I get the mixed up.
It's so funny because I made it.

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We were making jokes after the 
episode about like when they 

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when all the kids looked around 
for Raina, you know that they 

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were like, where's Bayla? 
But anyway, it seems like 

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Raniera should have given her 
the prophecy too, before she 

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sent her off with these eggs. 
And they're like. 

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Oh, 'cause she has the. 
I can see that. 

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So that's a pretty good point. 
That's a good. 

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Argument, I think. 
Rayna. 

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She has the egg, she has the 
children. 

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She should have the prophecy, I 
think. 

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She has all that. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

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That's a good call, Sean. 
So I like how the Dragon's 

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attitude is present here, like 
when Rainiera is upset and wary 

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of who this guy with the dragon 
is before he introduces himself 

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and all that. 
Cyrax is yelling and screaming 

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and making a lot of noise and is
angry but and Sea Smoke is 

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probably picking up on that too 
and is reacting because Adam's a

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little calmer, I think maybe. 
I mean, he's probably a little 

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scared too, but he's calmer than
Rainier. 

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He's not like aggressive feeling
towards her. 

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He's not like, about to get her.
Roar at each other. 

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Yeah, but this is just how I 
interpret it. 

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This is, I could be wrong, but 
this is just how I see it. 

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And so when Rainiera calms down 
because she realizes this guy's 

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not a threat, Cyrax calms down 
and so does Sea smoke. 

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All the Dragons calm down when 
the humans calm down. 

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I'm sure Adam had a lot of 
emotions going on too, and Sea 

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Smoke probably picking up on 
that. 

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But I don't think he was mad or 
aggressive, which I think maybe 

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Rainiera did have some of that 
in her, at least the the the 

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stirrings of that, because she 
was wary. 

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Isn't it interesting, Sean, that
he doesn't say who his father 

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is, and neither does Corley's 
tell her that she's in the dark 

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about who he really is? 
Isn't that interesting? 

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It is very interesting and I can
see why he might not want to do 

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it. 
He's got maybe he doesn't want 

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to embarrass Corlis or he wants 
to have done this on his known 

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and not be in his father's 
shadow. 

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I could see the different 
motivations he might have that 

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that make a lot of sense. 
Corlis maybe also doesn't want 

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to be embarrassed or 
embarrassed. 

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Rainey's legacy. 
I can see the reasons he might, 

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but I don't know if they realize
how valuable it would be for 

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Raniero to know. 
She's trying to track down how 

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do we get a dragon rider who has
this blood? 

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Why did this happen? 
It would be such a revelation 

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for her and might have saved 
some lives. 

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If they had known, they might 
have approached it a little bit 

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differently. 
One of the little note I want to

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make here is I really loved that
they really had to raise their 

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voice to communicate that they 
were staying in a quite a 

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distance. 
Because it was stormy outside. 

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Yeah, the actual wind. 
That's a A level of it's, it's 

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minor, it's a nuance, but it's a
level of realism. 

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Sometimes it isn't there that I 
roll my eyes at. 

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Sometimes it takes me out a 
little bit. 

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But I was rather further 
engaged. 

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I further believed this scene 
with two Dragons. 

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You know what I mean? 
Harder to make that look real, 

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right? 
But it does look so real 

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because, man, they move. 
So, like, realistically, the way

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they just pad along the beach 
and Cyrax's tail, like flopping 

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in the sand. 
Yeah, it was really good. 

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And one thing I don't fully 
agree with you on is maybe they 

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could have done it differently. 
I think this example is what got

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her to do it the way she did. 
Seeing that the dragon is 

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capable of choosing is why she 
did it that way. 

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So I don't know that learning 
who he was would have actually 

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changed anything, because those 
other folk are just as similarly

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related. 
Just because they don't have a 

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connection to Coralie's doesn't 
really matter. 

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It's hard to say, but it might 
have led her to keep digging 

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down the. 
Well. 

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Mazari is the one who's told her
not to do that because hey, 

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look, I know where all these 
bastards are. 

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There is a more direct 
connection, but that causes 

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trouble with Jace. 
And right, it would have sent 

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her in the wrong direction 
because as Corley says, we're 

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not actually like he was 
confused. 

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So she would have been like, she
would have been distracted by 

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the misdirect of like Corley's 
being related to the reason and 

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not focused on the fact that 
it's very possibly their mother.

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Also, there's more to it than 
this, which is that the the 

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Annals, the books will not 
reveal people who are only one 

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generation removed. 
These are direct bastards of 

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Targaryens. 
You're not going to find that in

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the Annals. 
So you're not going to find that

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going back. 
Yeah, which will be less. 

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And that's, that was what she 
was down on that because it's 

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like, well, Stefan Darkin was so
distantly related. 

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If we find someone that's just a
grandfather, grandmother, that 

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might not be good enough either.
But we have direct descendants 

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and that's what Mazar I was 
giving her. 

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So I think they they still would
have gone with that probably 

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because those are the closest 
descendants they can find and 

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they're and they know where they
are immediately. 

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Whereas this this research might
not have dug up much at all. 

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Anyway, we're getting a little 
ahead of ourselves here. 

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Let's bring it back to the 
scene. 

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So she says, it's something I 
feared impossible and I'm 

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pleased by it. 
So it gets her a dragon rider 

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and it reveals to her how she 
might get more. 

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As flawed as the idea is, it's 
certainly workable, certainly 

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has success despite all the 
casualties. 

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So the council is relieved that 
Rainier is OK. 

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They were a little worried about
that, but they're upset, 

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understandably. 
It's again, she's run off 

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without telling anyone, and this
time they know she's going to 

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confront a dragon rider. 
It's not that she just 

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disappeared and like, well, 
where did she go? 

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She specifically went to 
confront another dragon, which 

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is like, wait, what? 
That, that sounds very 

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dangerous. 
So then she upsets them even 

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more by just not meeting with 
them afterwards and not treating

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Adam like a thief, like they 
expect this person to be given 

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justice rather than dinner and, 
you know, a seat at the table. 

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So this is when we get into the 
prejudice against the low born. 

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It comes up pretty big here and 
it's something that permeates 

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the entire episode. 
You have and probably will 

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continue going forward. 
I mean, you can imagine there's 

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some nobles out there that are 
going to look real Askew at a 

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bastard on a dragon. 
They are not. 

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I mean, they already do with 
Jace and which is part of his 

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issues that we'll discuss 
shortly. 

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So and trust is not a permanent 
state, right? 

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You can, you may trust somebody 
now, that doesn't mean you'll 

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trust them later. 
Like what? 

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What are they going to do? 
I really think this was such a 

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misstep for Rainiera to just go 
right to meeting with Mazaria, 

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not go to her council. 
Like they're all here waiting 

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for her. 
I really, really didn't like 

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that she did this. 
I found it to be short sighted. 

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Like go to the meeting of like, 
Can you imagine a work meeting 

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where the person who's supposed 
to lead the meeting just doesn't

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show up? 
I'm sorry, I don't know. 

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It bothered me. 
And you can see why Jace is 

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extra bothered. 
He's like, where is the queen? 

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She's not coming. 
And even like when he when he 

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hears about what they're doing, 
the way that Baylor looks over 

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00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,520
is Jace. 
You can tell they've had private

451
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,560
conversations where she knows 
that this is going to make Jace 

452
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,200
like extra mad. 
And he's not wrong, I just don't

453
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,720
think he's. 
Wrong. 

454
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,680
Yeah, I agree with you. 
I do agree with you, don't get 

455
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,840
me wrong, I completely agree 
with you. 

456
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,840
I've been frustrated multiple 
times in the past when she's 

457
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,200
like not let the council know 
what's going on, but I can see 

458
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,760
how she might justify this time 
more so than the others because 

459
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,400
she has a hand now. 
Corliss is there, that is his 

460
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,320
role to lead in her stead. 
So I still don't think it makes 

461
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,560
it OK, but I could see how she 
might be justifying it. 

462
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,080
And he says the right thing. 
He says we'll reserve judgement 

463
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,160
until we actually talk to this 
person and meet them and see 

464
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,880
what she what the queen says. 
But I'll. 

465
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,960
But yeah, it's frustrating that 
that she's not there. 

466
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,000
It's frustrating that she 
doesn't explain herself. 

467
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:43,680
I do kind of understand as well 
why she doesn't go, not again. 

468
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,520
I, I wouldn't necessarily agree 
with this logic, but she knows 

469
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,160
they're it's going to be really 
hard to convince them that this 

470
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,800
is the right way. 
So I think she may be trying to 

471
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,840
prove something before 
convincing or letting the proof 

472
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,280
do the convincing. 
But again, that's that's there's

473
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,520
a lot of flaws with that idea. 
So she starts looking, she 

474
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,560
starts digging into the annals 
right away. 

475
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,480
She's like goes right for it. 
She's like, I'm going to start 

476
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,680
looking for more candidates. 
Mazari comes in and says, do you

477
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,880
trust this guy? 
And she's like, what choice do I

478
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,560
have? 
He's a dragon rider now either, 

479
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,360
which is basically saying I can 
either trust him or I can have 

480
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,040
him killed. 
Like what else is there? 

481
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,560
I'm not going to let him go, you
know? 

482
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,560
Then he might join the other 
side or something like that, 

483
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,920
which she would be less worried 
about if she knew he was 

484
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,920
Corliss's son. 
But she doesn't know that. 

485
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,760
So he's just some guy. 
And so yeah, she doesn't really 

486
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,560
have a choice. 
He either has to make use of him

487
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,600
or have him killed, which is 
kind of crazy considering she's 

488
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,320
he's controlling a dragon that 
they really need. 

489
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,880
So Mazari giggles at her. 
She's like, look, yo, you want 

490
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,680
to look for Targaryens? 
I got that covered. 

491
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,560
She knows where to find a whole 
lot of them. 

492
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,880
This is a woman that not only 
has worked in brothels, she's 

493
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,480
owned one. 
She's been keeping tabs on 

494
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,760
Targaryen bastards for years, 
kind of like maybe how virus was

495
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,880
keeping tabs on different 
Roberts bastards. 

496
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,880
And it's a, it's a sensible 
thing to do when you're a person

497
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,000
in power. 
These these potential these are 

498
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,880
potential claimants to the 
throne if something crazy 

499
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,720
happens. 
And in this case, it's coming up

500
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,240
for a different use. 
It's not just claimants to the 

501
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,760
throne. 
This is for dragon claiming and 

502
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,680
her. 
So her past work is really 

503
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,320
paying off big here. 
Shout out to lady Gwen, by the 

504
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,240
way, who we had on this Saturday
for our preview episode. 

505
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,400
She predicted the use of 
mushrooms line here under the 

506
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,520
sheets, under the wood piles. 
And yes, that is a line for 

507
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,640
mushroom in fire and blood. 
So a good taste by Mazaria there

508
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Mushroom Mazaria. 
I think I joke that Mazaria is 

509
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,040
High Valyrian for mushroom. 
Yeah. 

510
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,400
And so, yeah. 
So she knows exactly. 

511
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,400
She knows how all these people 
are. 

512
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,360
And she also says this was, this
is an easy line to miss. 

513
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,680
She says there's got to be some 
bastards here on Dragonstone, 

514
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,120
too. 
In the book, they pretty much 

515
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,320
all come from Dragonstone. 
Same difference. 

516
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,280
I mean, I think that was a 
little bit of an oversight on 

517
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,600
the on the book's part to say to
not have any from King's Land 

518
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,440
because, yes, there's been 
Targaryens living there for over

519
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,440
100 years. 
And of course, some of them go 

520
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,880
to the brothels, like, duh. 
Yeah, of course they do. 

521
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,360
And that's been said in the 
show, right? 

522
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,160
Damon and Vasaris talked about 
it. 

523
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,560
Vasaris joked about all the time
the Street of Silk when we were 

524
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,760
16, you know? 
And there you go. 

525
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,280
We saw Amon, Aegon going. 
Yeah, we saw Amon go. 

526
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,160
You're right, he is Sylvie as. 
A. 

527
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,840
He goes all the time. 
We've even seen saw one of 

528
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,600
Aegon's bastards in season one 
in those fighting pits. 

529
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,720
So, yeah, so Rainier has got a 
little bit of, you know, royal 

530
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,640
prejudice that's very common 
among the nobility and is going 

531
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,680
to be probably worse amongst 
royalty rather than just 

532
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,480
regular, regular nobility. 
They have such a distance 

533
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,680
between themselves and the low 
born in their day-to-day life or

534
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,160
their entire lives that and 
they've been taught to not trust

535
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,320
them. 
The fact that they're they 

536
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,400
aren't trustworthy because they 
don't have honor, because they 

537
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,480
don't belong to a house that 
gives teaches them things That's

538
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,600
she's right to be wary, but 
that's not the right reason to 

539
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,160
be wary. 
It's just you should be wary of 

540
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,120
giving any unvetted person a lot
of power, regardless of what 

541
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,160
family they come from. 
Power can go to anyone's head. 

542
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,520
So yeah, it it unfortunately, 
the let the Dragons choose their

543
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,520
riders method doesn't include 
any personality vetting. 

544
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,840
It's just the Dragons just 
choose who they like. 

545
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,840
So how is that any better? 
Right. 

546
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,360
Like you know, but. 
You could do like a a couple of 

547
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,760
levels of phasing people out. 
Like I think it would've been 

548
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,360
smarter to do like some 
interviews, just get like a 

549
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:27,440
personality sense and just make 
sure someone isn't just like 

550
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,920
despicable. 
I think you probably could have 

551
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,280
ruled out a dozen people easily,
right? 

552
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,440
Quite possible, yeah. 
You would hope that Mazari took 

553
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,000
that into account. 
If she knows these people, maybe

554
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,760
she'd just like, well, don't, 
don't bring that. 

555
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Guy don't, he's a rapist. 
Still don't bring. 

556
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,480
Him don't bring that one. 
Yeah, there's a couple she just 

557
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,440
left off her list. 
So maybe that was accounted for,

558
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,760
but it wasn't in the book 
either. 

559
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,040
So we're just they're just going
with what was there in that 

560
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,000
case, But I I could see why you 
that's a sensible suggestion 

561
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,040
that that no one thought of 
like, you know, maybe we should 

562
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,320
vet these people a little more. 
So moving on from there. 

563
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,360
Well, obviously you have plenty 
to say about this topic in 

564
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,800
general, but moving on to 
Corlise and Adam, quite the 

565
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:08,880
surprise how he turns around 
like, oh, hi, dad, you know, but

566
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,200
he does. 
He keeps it professional, like 

567
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,000
you said, Sean, and he he it's 
not his place to be the one to 

568
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,600
break that to to break the spell
of silence on what's really 

569
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,840
going on here. 
So he's like he's so duty bound.

570
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,880
He's like, I request leave from 
my duties. 

571
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,440
It's so it's almost absurd, like
you're a dragon rider now. 

572
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:32,080
There's no way he's going to 
make you stay as a shipwright. 

573
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,480
That's just insane, right. 
But he's and and I can. 

574
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,400
Imagine if he did. 
He shows up. 

575
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,520
The work on his dragon hammer is
the word. 

576
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,280
He has the lunch. 
That's like, yeah, that's like a

577
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,320
get through the dragon. 
Can you imagine the guy at the 

578
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200
construction site and he's like,
everybody pulls up in their work

579
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,920
cars in the morning and one guy 
just pulls up in a stretch 

580
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,080
Hummer, you know, and was like, 
you work at the construction 

581
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,680
site, you know, as a day 
laborer. 

582
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,240
That's strays. 
That's that's a little your car 

583
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,440
is a little out of place there, 
man. 

584
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,120
You know, so Carly's kind of 
struggles to find the right 

585
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,720
words to say. 
You can see him like start to 

586
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,760
form a sentence or two and then 
he just says, well done. 

587
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,680
And it actually meant a lot to 
Adam. 

588
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,520
And I'm not projecting. 
This is what Clinton Liberty 

589
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,680
said in the behind the scenes. 
It's just two words. 

590
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,280
And Corley owes him so much more
than that. 

591
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920
He hasn't parented him at all 
yet. 

592
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,200
It's just this is a this is a 
man that's like in the desert 

593
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,440
that hasn't had a drink of water
and this drink of water. 

594
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,440
This is that drink of water. 
He's wanted his whole life, his 

595
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,400
father, to acknowledge him, even
though it's just those two words

596
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,360
that they mean a lot, you know, 
from the sidelines, we could 

597
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,480
say, man, you owe him so much 
more. 

598
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,920
But to Adam, in that moment, it 
was it was a very big deal. 

599
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,360
And it could be the start of 
what he owes him. 

600
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,720
It's that the ice has been 
broken, you know? 

601
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,800
Yeah, that's a good point. 
So Carly's then goes to Allen. 

602
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:55,560
After getting the mission set up
by Mazaria and Rainier and to 

603
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,400
how to collect the dragon seeds,
he goes to Allen. 

604
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,440
Allen's a pretty stoic fellow, 
doesn't show a lot of emotions 

605
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,040
on his face. 
But this news, he can't help but

606
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,200
look a little astonished. 
Like what? 

607
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,880
There is very like. 
It's hard to imagine a thing 

608
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,280
that he could say that would be 
true. 

609
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,960
But more, far less, more far 
fetched than that. 

610
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,760
You know, like how like my 
brother did what now? 

611
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,360
Like how is this? 
Your brother's the king now? 

612
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Yeah. 
Wait, what? 

613
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,600
That would be a little crazier. 
Yeah. 

614
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,000
So I was. 
That's just really great. 

615
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,800
And then so Crawlers is 
basically like, look, you know, 

616
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,280
I don't know. 
I don't know who, you know, I 

617
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,960
didn't look that much into your 
mother's history. 

618
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,400
But if he claimed a dragon in 
Rainiers, but not a call for 

619
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
more, what do you say? 
And he's like, Nah, I don't. 

620
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,640
I don't want to do that. 
I don't want to go try for a 

621
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,600
dragon. 
I'm salt and sea. 

622
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,720
Nice phrasing there, right, 
Sean? 

623
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,680
I'm salt and sea. 
Yeah, I think this is a a follow

624
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520
up for sure to when his daughter
he offered his daughter. 

625
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,280
Granddaughter. 
The seat of a granddaughter? 

626
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,080
Yeah, of drift Mark. 
And she's like, I'm firing 

627
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,280
blood. 
You need salt and sea. 

628
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,120
And here's Alan saying I'm salt 
and sea. 

629
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,280
And this is also in the wake of 
the the the plot line with Damon

630
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,160
and his vision of his Sarah 
saying, you know, the person who

631
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,960
seeks the power is probably not 
the right person for it. 

632
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,120
Alan is like, I just want to be 
a sailor. 

633
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,800
I don't have, I'm not not 
lusting for something greater. 

634
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,200
I, I hope Corliss takes that as 
you'll be a good reader, you a 

635
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,040
good leader. 
You're not ambitious, right? 

636
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,320
You're not going to. 
Or he has the right kind of 

637
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,680
ambition. 
You'll accept it as a duty, you 

638
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,680
know. 
Yeah, his ambition might be to 

639
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,720
be a good leader, you know, for 
example, which is. 

640
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,320
That's a good ambition. 
Yeah. 

641
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,360
So he goes and delivers the 
message to Alinda, which 

642
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,280
presumably contained 
instructions and names, though 

643
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,160
he didn't deliver it directly to
Alinda. 

644
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440
He gave it to some agent who 
took it to another agent who 

645
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:49,560
took it to there, took it to 
several go betweens here. 

646
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,760
There's a lot of agents in 
Kingsland. 

647
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Missouri's got a web right, And 
Linda's just near the center of 

648
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,320
that web, but not quite at the 
actual center like Missouri is. 

649
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,280
Stannis Baratheon says the way 
Rainier sets aside Jace is a 

650
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,800
huge mistake. 
He's the Crown Prince and is 

651
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,320
being dismissed by Rainier in 
the same way. 

652
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,160
He, he, he, he. 
She dismisses her counsel. 

653
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:10,760
Yeah. 
Strong. 

654
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,320
Words from Stannis Baratheon, 
yeah. 

655
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,760
Stannis would know a thing or 
two about how to treat your 

656
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,240
counsel and being a second born 
son and all that. 

657
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,800
So yeah, no, I I agree. 
I think that they're the tension

658
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,440
between Rainier and Jace is, is 
real. 

659
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,160
He's not. 
We'll get to it a little more in

660
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,360
a little more detail, but his 
concerns are fairly legitimate, 

661
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,320
and I don't think she really 
addressed them all that well. 

662
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,920
Well, yeah. 
Let's come back to that, though.

663
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
For my people, says Rainier, 
giving her best Lord Farquaad. 

664
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,840
Some of you may die, but that is
a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

665
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400
Yeah, It's true. 
It's true. 

666
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Very much true. 
So here we go. 

667
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,520
Jason Rainier, This is the next 
section. 

668
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,160
He's livid, like so many people,
or like people, like a lot of 

669
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,400
counselors and stuff. 
Just the idea of lowborn having 

670
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,640
Dragons is just. 
He hates it. 

671
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:02,120
And this is where we see this 
behavior that makes us not like 

672
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,880
them as much. 
We see we see they're mongrels. 

673
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,120
It's like, oh, Jace, don't. 
The audience didn't like that. 

674
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,840
None of us wanted to hear him 
say that. 

675
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,600
He's definitely projecting a 
little bit, but he's got a point

676
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,760
despite the the prejudice there.
And to be fair, he was taught 

677
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,400
this prejudice. 
This is given to him. 

678
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,560
It wasn't something he was just 
born. 

679
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,480
He wasn't just like I decided 
that common people are terrible.

680
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,720
But it is still, that doesn't 
make him not responsible for it.

681
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,840
Still, he's concerned about his 
place in the succession, which 

682
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,880
is a problem unique to him, like
people always have. 

683
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,440
There's always succession issues
here and there. 

684
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,640
Rainier doesn't fully understand
it though. 

685
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,800
It seems like she doesn't grasp 
exactly what he's saying. 

686
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,320
He's still the heir. 
She's like, what do you mean 

687
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,440
you're still the heir? 
What is that? 

688
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,040
What does that matter? 
Like, well, first of all, you 

689
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,640
saw how much shit people gave 
you when you were the named heir

690
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,360
because they challenged who you 
really were, whether you were 

691
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,040
were deserving of it. 
In my case, it's not just about 

692
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,800
me whether I deserve it. 
It's whether I am who I say I 

693
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,040
am. 
And everybody knows who I am. 

694
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Really. 
Like, it's an open secret. 

695
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,120
Come on, Mom. 
I know who I am. 

696
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,080
I know I'm Harwin's strong son. 
You really think this is a a 

697
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,440
secret? 
You really think people are 

698
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,760
going along with it? 
No. 

699
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,880
If if I can, I can easily be 
kicked out. 

700
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,760
I can lose my claim because of 
the truth of who I am. 

701
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,320
The thing that made me, the 
thing that proved I am who I am,

702
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,600
despite my dark hair, is the 
fact that I claimed a dragon. 

703
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,199
That's what proved it. 
Now if other people have Dragons

704
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,560
and they also have like blonde 
hair and all these things, well,

705
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,520
what's gonna stop if they have a
bigger dragon than him, what's 

706
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,760
gonna stop them from saying, 
hey, I come before you. 

707
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,520
What if one of them really is 
Viserys son? 

708
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,159
That is actually would could be 
considered higher in the line of

709
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,600
succession, you know, things 
like that. 

710
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,199
So it's a it's a real concern. 
I loved this scene. 

711
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,080
I really liked the arc they'd 
given Jace here. 

712
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,719
I think it is is very 
believable. 

713
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,840
Like it makes sense that he 
would be very disturbed by this 

714
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,440
and and shake him to his core. 
I think as much as it hurts to 

715
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,600
hear him call it people 
mongrels, I'm sure he heard 

716
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,400
someone say that about him, 
thought it about himself. 

717
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,920
He's projecting, he's feeling 
anything he negative he says 

718
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,800
about any of these dragon seeds.
You got to realize he's thinking

719
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080
it about himself. 
And it's really painful to me to

720
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,320
think about just. 
Yeah, just the way that he's 

721
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,200
self hating, I guess. 
And I think Harry Collette did a

722
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:25,280
really good job at showing this 
like pain that he has deep down 

723
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,920
that he's. 
Betrayal from his mother. 

724
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,000
Yeah, and but like, I'm glad 
he's expressing it to Rainiera. 

725
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
He's being emotional with her. 
He's not purely bottling it up, 

726
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,920
but he's also not blowing up at 
her in the front of everyone 

727
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,520
else. 
I think he's Jace is is doing 

728
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,760
pretty good at at dealing with a
hard situation. 

729
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,480
Hopefully he's not, it's not a 
he's doing good till he isn't 

730
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,280
thing like Aymond, you know. 
I kind of think so. 

731
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,200
I think he's going to snap. 
I think it's going to be too 

732
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,120
much. 
I think these dragon seeds are 

733
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,200
going to do something. 
I think he's going to be very 

734
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,720
sensitive to any little snark 
from any of the dragon seeds, 

735
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,520
you know? 
A couple comments here, I I felt

736
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,800
in that moment when he said 
they're mongrels, the look she 

737
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,640
gave him was you're a mongrel 
like you. 

738
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,680
How can you say that you're a 
mongrel? 

739
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,320
And but, but the thing I do 
agree, another thing I think 

740
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:19,240
she's not getting is it like you
were saying she was the heir 

741
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:23,240
because Viscera said so, but it 
was still kind of questioned. 

742
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,680
But it was still at least 
ostensibly upheld until Viserys 

743
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,920
died. 
After that, he wasn't there to 

744
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,920
enforce it anymore. 
And that's what Jason's worried 

745
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,880
about right now. 
She's saying you're my heir, but

746
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,760
when she dies now who's saying 
it now? 

747
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,920
He he can't necessarily stand up
for himself, especially if 

748
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,360
there's other people with 
Dragons claiming that they are 

749
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,760
the error, or could or should 
be. 

750
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,280
Bigger dragon. 
Bigger dragon. 

751
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,640
Yeah, true, Yeah. 
Yeah, it's not like a lot of 

752
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,720
other people are just like 
Jace's defender. 

753
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,640
He doesn't have like some 
retinue of, of friends. 

754
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,760
He doesn't have a drinking's 
guard that's like, there to back

755
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,160
him up. 
Like, yo, when the time comes, 

756
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,120
we got your back, you know? 
Yeah, he's got bail, which is 

757
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,160
something that's something 
that's a big deal, but that's 

758
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,720
still just one person. 
Now I do think, by the way, that

759
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,360
there is at least a potential 
answer here that might be hard 

760
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,880
for them to address in this time
of war and are kind of removed 

761
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,360
from the continent and all this 
other stuff. 

762
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,560
But I think Jace and Renera need
to do the same thing. 

763
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,080
The thesaurus and Renera should 
have done is prop him up as the 

764
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,480
heir. 
Visit all the Lords in the land 

765
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,880
with your Dragons and remind 
them like become a good leader, 

766
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,160
meet with the other leaders, 
have a good tax policy. 

767
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,520
To be fair, they did do. 
That every tower people might 

768
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,080
not accept. 
It to be fair, they have done 

769
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,080
that though, like he did go all 
these diplomatic missions by 

770
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,680
itself, which is so that is the 
you're right, like that's a good

771
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,960
way to do it and it was his idea
to do that and he wanted to and 

772
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,800
he was that was part of his 
thinking at the time He's like, 

773
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,040
look, this will prove, you know,
we have Dragons. 

774
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,360
This will prove that we're who 
we are and we can show them and.

775
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,360
Yeah, it was also his idea to do
this with the dragon seeds. 

776
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Yeah, maybe not. 
He liked the nobles, the idea of

777
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,200
nobles, but yeah, he doesn't 
like these lowborn. 

778
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,800
Yeah, yeah, you're right that 
that was the the tipping point 

779
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,520
for him. 
One last thing, I gotta tell you

780
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,920
that someone made a post about 
how, uh, Jace, they, they put 

781
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,240
Jace and uh, Ben Stiller from 
Zoo Lander next to each other 

782
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,840
doing Blue steel. 
I can't get that out of my head.

783
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,960
It's been in our breakdown 
video, Sean. 

784
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,120
Yeah, I have had it in there. 
Yes. 

785
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,960
Jace is always serving face in 
Blue Steel, yes. 

786
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,400
Well, I think now at least 
sometimes it's blue seed. 

787
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,760
Blue Seed. 
Oh, I like that. 

788
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,720
He's Jace the face, right? 
Yeah. 

789
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,240
So yeah, Rainiera ends this 
conversation basically saying, 

790
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,320
like, I don't, we don't really 
have a choice here. 

791
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,560
And Jace sort of made the same 
point himself. 

792
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,400
It's like, hey, it's better than
defeat and death. 

793
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,400
But to him losing his spot in 
the in the succession is is 

794
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,840
defeat and perhaps death because
of you know, if you're a rival 

795
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,720
claimant, you usually end up 
dead if you don't win. 

796
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,280
It's the Game of Thrones, right?
You win or you die. 

797
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,320
That's the scenario he's 
imagining. 

798
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,520
So she's developing. 
Maybe this is the beginning of 

799
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,320
maybe a little bit of a God 
complex here for her or she's 

800
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,360
getting a little above the 
decisions and not listening, 

801
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,520
maybe a little bit less. 
And that's familiar to us 

802
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,480
regarding, you know, someone 
like Daenerys who also had a lot

803
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,200
of bad counselors around her and
didn't give great advice. 

804
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,640
There were some that were very 
good too. 

805
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,560
But even the ones who were had 
some flaws and some 

806
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,640
shortcomings. 
Just maybe like Barristan, just 

807
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,120
there are certain things he just
didn't know about. 

808
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,640
You know, Barristan's not a a 
cunning man, you know, and she's

809
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,240
shown the best temperament. 
A lot of us would look at at 

810
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,360
Rainier and be like, she's 
probably the the best leader, 

811
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,200
you know, in terms of the one 
that we would want to see sit 

812
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,960
the throne in terms of taking 
care of the realm properly. 

813
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,720
But that doesn't mean she's 
anywhere near perfect. 

814
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,480
And that doesn't mean she can't 
become corrupted by her own view

815
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:53,160
of herself and her own power. 
So let's continue to the 

816
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,440
bringing of the dragon seeds. 
Alan goes with that message and 

817
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,440
the the the go betweens are 
utilized and Linda receives the 

818
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,840
message. 
Word spreads. 

819
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,160
Posters are put up. 
You even see Elinda, it's like a

820
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,200
montage. 
Elinda is seen speaking to a lot

821
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,480
of different people. 
And one thing that's important 

822
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,640
to notice that throughout all 
the Elinda scenes in this 

823
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,600
episode and prior scenes, she 
has free run of the city when it

824
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,320
comes to the gold Cloaks. 
That's supposed to be very we're

825
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,480
supposed to notice that and be 
like, OK, well, the gold cloaks 

826
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,840
are clearly on their side, which
makes sense, right? 

827
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,120
Damon was their commander, and 
we already saw blood just refers

828
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,880
like, oh commander, you know 
she's not. 

829
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Exactly being that sneaky, she's
literally in the Massey sigil on

830
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960
her dress and like a bright red 
dress. 

831
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,400
I just like she's the opposite 
of sneaky. 

832
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,320
Yeah, yeah, I guess she does. 
She knows she doesn't have to be

833
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,360
sneaky because. 
Be suspicious. 

834
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,880
Yeah, this. 
All the cops are on her side. 

835
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,760
She doesn't have to hide. 
Yeah, it's funny, but you wonder

836
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,800
like how much is Laris really 
aware of this? 

837
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,960
I mean, some of this happened so
quickly. 

838
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,240
Like I get I can buy Laris not 
knowing about the the call for 

839
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,760
dragon seeds because it happens 
really fast. 

840
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,560
Like they deliver the message, 
she starts gathering them up and

841
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,520
it's like a day or two that they
leave. 

842
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,320
So like, I don't know if Laris 
could have reacted anything that

843
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,520
quickly, but the very idea that 
these bastards existed in the 

844
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,080
1st place. 
And maybe some of the other 

845
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,120
stuff like is he keeping this 
from Amon? 

846
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,080
Like the sea smoke news, 
something to think about before 

847
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,600
we get to that second. 
Let's not talk about that. 

848
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,360
No, I just wanted to set it up 
by laying this out. 

849
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,360
Now that's a big deal. 
The the town is on alert. 

850
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,720
A lot of the people are hearing 
about this gathering of dragon 

851
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:33,040
seeds and ulf is afraid he's 
like, well, I would go, but you 

852
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,640
know, my leg so funny. 
I love that. 

853
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,200
He's like, you know, it's a once
in a lifetime opportunity, but 

854
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,200
you know, I just, I'm not 
feeling right. 

855
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,640
You know, I'm just got out of 
the bed on the wrong side today,

856
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:50,440
you know, So he started backing 
off his whole like life story a 

857
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,440
little bit, isn't he? 
And then but his friends are 

858
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,120
like, Nah, Nah, this is you got 
to get it. 

859
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,080
You got to get back at Eamond. 
And this is like you. 

860
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,120
You can't let everybody know 
that you've been lying all this 

861
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,600
time, you know, And he's like, I
just the. 

862
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,360
I love how his face just goes 
through so many emotions. 

863
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,480
He's like, should I? 
No, I can't. 

864
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,080
Well, maybe. 
Well, what if I Yeah, you could 

865
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,560
just, like, feel all the 
different. 

866
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,760
The ticker going across his 
brain. 

867
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,120
You can understand why he at 
first doesn't even believe it to

868
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,080
be real and why he's not eager 
to try to ride a dragon. 

869
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,200
It seems like a very dangerous 
thing to do. 

870
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,760
But of course, he's reminded if 
they could stick it to Amon, 

871
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,880
which is important to them after
the rumors that had been spread 

872
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,000
through the city before. 
And his friends just pump him 

873
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,240
up. 
They're like Olf, the dragon 

874
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,960
Lord Olf Olf. 
They shout him up. 

875
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,400
You know, he's like, he's pumped
up by their support and how 

876
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,680
could he say no at this point? 
Can I just tell you how excited 

877
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:55,600
I am to see, oh, stroll back 
through his bar, an actual 

878
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,640
dragon Lord? 
We're going to see Samson Ko 

879
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,320
there. 
Allawande from our flag means 

880
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,360
Death is going to hopefully be 
part of his drinking's guard. 

881
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,880
Like he's gonna have a little 
crew of friends. 

882
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:04,320
I don't know. 
That's. 

883
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,080
Right. 
They might be his retinue going 

884
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,160
forward. 
Yeah, his entourage, like you 

885
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,840
said. 
I think his name is Maja, and 

886
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,320
the other guy's name is Clay, by
the way. 

887
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,520
Oh. 
Very cool. 

888
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,320
Thanks. 
Yeah. 

889
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,800
MAJJAI think it is, and Hugh and
Kat on the other hand, their 

890
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,360
discussion is much more somber. 
We learned that their child has 

891
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,320
passed, and he admits that he's 
been lying to her about his 

892
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,840
heritage because he's been 
ashamed of it. 

893
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,120
He says he's the son of Bailon's
sister. 

894
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:35,840
This should be Sarah Targaryen, 
the 9th child of Alison and 

895
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,280
Jairus. 
It's a very interesting 

896
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,760
character, a very unusual 
Targaryen. 

897
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,200
You might, you might have 
gathered that like, wait, this 

898
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,640
Targaryen with the name 
Targaryen was working in a 

899
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,920
brothel? 
Yeah, Yeah, that happened. 

900
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,520
Yeah, that really. 
Also might explain why she had 

901
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,520
all these bastards. 
I saw someone in the live stream

902
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,480
chat asked about that. 
Like wouldn't if that was your 

903
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,640
job wouldn't you take moon to? 
Wouldn't you take steps to make 

904
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,720
sure you don't have kids? 
Well, if you're privileged and 

905
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,040
you make lots of money, you 
might be like, I want to have 

906
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,520
kids. 
I want to keep a few of them. 

907
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Yeah, she maybe she liked the 
dad. 

908
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400
That particular guy, like I want
his son, would be fine to have. 

909
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Or like he said, she had she it 
was afforded more, you know, 

910
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,280
rights than than most because of
who she was. 

911
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,800
Right. 
And what she wanted as a 

912
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,640
Targaryen and Prince, this is a 
person who is defined as someone

913
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,480
who always got what they wanted 
and what they wanted changed 

914
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,040
constantly. 
So this is this is just a real 

915
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:31,200
chaotic person full of desires 
and no shame about getting what 

916
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,240
they want and just a very 
selfish individual. 

917
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Hugh is real conflicted about 
it. 

918
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,280
You have to wonder how old he 
was when he struck out from his 

919
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,040
mother's. 
You know, like how long he lived

920
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,760
with her before he was like, I 
can't be with around my mom, my 

921
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,920
hot mom. 
Yeah. 

922
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,920
And his anger over these 
failures is and the anger that 

923
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,200
his own place in life caused him
when he was young, the shame 

924
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,520
that he felt is what caused him 
to work so hard. 

925
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,560
And now he's at the place in 
life where all that hard work 

926
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,000
is. 
He's got nothing to show for. 

927
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,280
He's got his wife and that's 
good. 

928
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,200
But they lost their child and 
they're they're disagreeing on 

929
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,480
their future. 
And actually, as it works out, 

930
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,160
the anger is part of what makes 
him a good match for Verbithor, 

931
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,160
AKA the bronze fury. 
And that might be something that

932
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,160
they have a little mind melding 
over something they have in 

933
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,160
common, something the dragon 
recognized in him. 

934
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,360
But Kat's still against it. 
She's even with that reveal. 

935
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,080
He's still like, still sounds 
really, really dangerous. 

936
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,920
And I don't want to be a widow. 
I, I, I want to be a, a lady 

937
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,280
less than I want to be a widow. 
You know, more than you know, 

938
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,960
you know what I mean? 
So she's but he's I got to do 

939
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,600
it. 
He just, he's compelled from his

940
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,440
mind. 
He doesn't have a choice. 

941
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,360
He thinks he has to go do it and
he does. 

942
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,480
So I also wonder about her as 
much as we wonder about what 

943
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,600
about ulf's friends and how 
they're going to react. 

944
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,800
It's going to be great. 
It'll be hilarious. 

945
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,360
What what's Kat's reacting going
to be? 

946
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,240
Is she just going to be troubled
or actually, oh, actually OK, 

947
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:52,800
you did it. 
Well, now that's good. 

948
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,240
I don't know, like any any 
thoughts on this, Sean? 

949
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:56,440
It's hard to know. 
We don't know this character 

950
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,000
super well, but it's very 
different than the ulf right, 

951
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,120
right. 
Like this is night and day the 

952
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,760
the the vibes here pre and post.
Yeah, I can. 

953
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,440
I can see her still being mad. 
Like a a lot of times people are

954
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,440
results oriented and she might 
be like, well, what's done is 

955
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,880
done, let's make the best of it.
But sometimes people are like, 

956
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,600
hey, it happened to work out, 
but it wasn't what I wanted. 

957
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,080
I'm mad that you took this 
chance. 

958
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,960
I don't want you to do it again.
And it's not over. 

959
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,960
Why you want this dragon to go 
fight other people on Dragons? 

960
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,480
Like it's not over, you know, I 
still don't want to be a widow. 

961
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,840
So good. 
Point yeah. 

962
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,720
And it might go. 
He might change him, who he is 

963
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:35,880
like this is, how would that not
change you as a person? 

964
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,080
So like, is this still the 
person that she fell in love 

965
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,880
with and is he still going to be
interested in? 

966
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,080
Her even said that it changes 
you right? 

967
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,120
Good, very good point. 
You're right, She did say that. 

968
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,520
So again, I'm I wonder about 
Laris and learning about stuff 

969
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,760
like this. 
Did he know? 

970
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,040
Like it's one thing for him to 
know that the dragon seeds thing

971
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,320
was happening because that was 
really fast. 

972
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,760
Like I said, I got to understand
him missing that. 

973
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:02,120
But all the like the stuff about
Amon going against Amon and and 

974
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,200
the stories being passed amongst
the commoners, like that's the 

975
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,720
kind of stuff I think he might 
know about and I wonder if he's 

976
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,920
just keeping it from him. 
Is that is that being hidden? 

977
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,560
It's what did you get that vibe,
Sean or shed? 

978
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,480
Is that how you saw it? 
Yes, absolutely. 

979
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,760
I don't think Laurice is just 
incompetent. 

980
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,920
I think there's two things going
on here, right? 

981
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:27,400
One is Laurice does not support 
Aymond. 

982
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,720
Truly, he is backing Aegon and 
it's better for himself, right? 

983
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,920
That's 1-2. 
Eamon has proven to his counsel 

984
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,040
that you have to be careful 
sharing information with him or 

985
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,200
you get in trouble, right? 
And so Eamon both isn't 

986
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,240
receiving information because 
not everyone supports him, but 

987
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:52,080
also because he hasn't given a a
very conducive environment to 

988
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,280
people sharing with him. 
So that's why Iron Rod isn't 

989
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,800
sharing this with him. 
Yeah, that and that's an 

990
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,360
interesting way to look at 
leadership. 

991
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,480
If you are if you are bad to 
your own subordinates and that 

992
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,680
that causes to them to treat you
a certain way that doesn't give 

993
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,840
you the information you need to 
lead, then you're you're in big 

994
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,880
trouble. 
A little a little tangent here, 

995
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,720
but that is a trope that I just 
can't stand. 

996
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,520
It happens in movies and TV 
shows all the time. 

997
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,720
Do you have some sort of mob 
boss or whatever and he treats 

998
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:23,520
his subordinates like imbeciles?
Now, maybe there are imbeciles, 

999
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,120
but why does this mob boss has 
imbeciles as his as his close 

1000
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,400
counsel? 
Or, you know, maybe they're not 

1001
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,920
imbeciles, but he treats them 
that way. 

1002
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,880
Well, how did someone who treats
their counselors, their close 

1003
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,520
confidants, like imbeciles get 
to this position? 

1004
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,280
It just doesn't make sense. 
You just can't be a successful 

1005
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,840
leader. 
You can't get to this level of 

1006
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,880
this menacing villain with this 
type of behavior. 

1007
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,040
It just doesn't make sense. 
He doesn't know that. 

1008
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,200
Yeah, right. 
Well, but the way you might get 

1009
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,560
there is if you're someone's son
and you suddenly get put in this

1010
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,080
position, which is what's 
happening here, and we're seeing

1011
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,240
the repercussions of of treating
your subordinates. 

1012
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,000
People were supposed to be 
helping you poorly. 

1013
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,720
They get scared to help you. 
All that said, I still think 

1014
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,760
it's possible that Dolores 
doesn't know. 

1015
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,080
I don't think that he's 
necessarily incompetent or 

1016
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,760
withholding it. 
He might be overwhelmed. 

1017
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,640
He might be spending all his 
time on agents outside the city.

1018
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,080
He's trying to find information 
about the movement of troops or 

1019
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,560
Dragons and stuff that's going 
on. 

1020
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,560
And he and he may even have 
heard whispers of it, but it 

1021
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,080
might be now again, maybe a 
problem because Eamon is so it's

1022
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,080
scary to bring stuff to him. 
But remember when he asked Iron 

1023
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,800
Rod's like, how do you know 
about this by the way? 

1024
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:37,760
Oh, my Squires brother's dad's 
friend said so like you're 

1025
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,840
stretched. 
Loris might have heard some 

1026
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,600
whispers of Reniero's looking 
for dragon riders in the city, 

1027
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,000
but it might be too new and too 
awkward for him to trust it 

1028
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,040
enough to report to Amon. 
So I can see how he isn't. 

1029
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,280
He may or may not be holding it 
back, we'll get to in a minute, 

1030
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,360
but I think what he think he is 
holding back is Aegon's 

1031
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,640
progress. 
I think he doesn't want Amon to 

1032
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,160
know how far Aegon is long. 
That's possible. 

1033
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,640
And that would be why they had 
the door locked or whatever. 

1034
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,040
Why he's like, you know, give me
a minute. 

1035
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Because they, they had, they 
didn't want people to see. 

1036
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,520
However, I, I tend to side with 
the Shay on this. 

1037
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,680
I think I, I seriously doubt 
Laris isn't aware of what's 

1038
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,400
going on in the city. 
He's the one that told Amon 

1039
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,760
about the food shortages and how
that had to be handled because 

1040
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,760
it's kind of hard for him to be 
aware of that and not some of 

1041
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,680
these other things. 
And it's not like the same 

1042
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,160
agents he has are the ones in 
the city are the ones that he 

1043
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,000
would send elsewhere to do other
things. 

1044
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,680
These are people that are 
already in positions that have, 

1045
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,240
that can't really move around 
that much. 

1046
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:34,520
It's like I, I've, I have, I, I 
have bribed the shipmaster. 

1047
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,400
That's I can't send this guy 
over to scout the reach. 

1048
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,400
It's, you know, the spies are in
invested in where they're 

1049
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,440
invested. 
Counterpoint, these are agents 

1050
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,000
of Massaria who might not tell 
Loris or his. 

1051
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,120
Well, I'm not saying they have 
the same agents. 

1052
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,840
I mean, some of them might be 
working for both, but I'm 

1053
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,960
assuming they each have their 
own set of agents, but some of 

1054
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,920
them are probably double. 
That's that's a good point. 

1055
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,800
And so Iron Rod and Larios, 
let's talk about this 

1056
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,480
conversation they have. 
It's Eamon just dispensing 

1057
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,400
justice of his own at the time. 
It's a bit like Damon and 

1058
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,080
Harrenhal, but the roles are 
reversed. 

1059
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,320
Damon doesn't actually want to 
execute Will and Blackwood, but 

1060
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,000
as we'll discuss, he kind of has
to in this case. 

1061
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,280
Eamon never liked Aegon's drink 
Kingsguard, and they weren't 

1062
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,000
qualified to be Kingsguard in 
the 1st place, but I kind of 

1063
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,400
feel like he ginned these 
charges up a little bit. 

1064
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,320
I don't recall the other two, 
these two that got sent to the 

1065
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,320
wall, I don't recall them 
drawing their swords. 

1066
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,040
I think it was just the one, the
one guy that did that, and he's 

1067
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,120
the one who got stomped to death
and killed by the mob. 

1068
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,480
So I think he's to blame. 
And these others who just are 

1069
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,080
guilt by association and Eamon, 
just like, well, this is my, 

1070
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:40,560
this is an easy chance to get 
rid of them. 

1071
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,680
And so he's pinning pinning the 
riot on them a bit like they're 

1072
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,040
the scapegoats. 
I mean, he's kind of right 

1073
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,480
though. 
They they already were talking 

1074
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,880
about how they're going to break
their vows and stuff like they 

1075
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:51,440
should. 
They were. 

1076
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,280
Agree they're bad at their job, 
they didn't deserve to be there 

1077
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,440
but he the riot was not their. 
Fault my point well, my point is

1078
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,560
I think he did a great thing 
here and that these were not two

1079
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,520
people that should be in the 
kingsguard. 

1080
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,200
He didn't just kill them, which 
he could have and instead he 

1081
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,360
sent them to the wall and now 
the wall has two more able 

1082
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,920
bodied men. 
So like I, I kind of. 

1083
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,120
It was a good choice. 
Yeah, I. 

1084
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,800
Respect Eamon for this call. 
Like he could have killed them. 

1085
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:12,440
He didn't. 
I't. 

1086
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,280
I'm glad. 
I think executing them would 

1087
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,240
have been a bit much and I the 
setting of the wall is better, 

1088
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,120
but yeah, I'm just saying that 
they did they aren't to blame 

1089
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,760
for the riot. 
I think that was, this is where 

1090
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,160
ginned up charged. 
But yeah, they didn't deserve to

1091
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,200
be Kingsguard in the 1st place. 
There's no doubt they sucked at 

1092
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,360
it. 
They're terrible. 

1093
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,240
And yeah, not just because they 
were going to break their vows. 

1094
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,000
They're just not just not 
competent in other ways. 

1095
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,720
So yeah, Lars calls it merciful 
that they're going to be sent to

1096
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,520
the wall. 
Like, yeah, yeah 'cause they, 

1097
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,200
they deserve death according to 
that take. 

1098
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,680
So. 
But Iron Rod then pauses. 

1099
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,560
He kind of looks at Lars for a 
minute and he's like kind of 

1100
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,160
decide how he's going to say it 
and kind of stares for a minute.

1101
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,320
And like I bring to you a matter
of great importance. 

1102
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,200
You know, it's like this, this 
look right here. 

1103
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,200
Thanks for having that Shaya. 
Perfect right at the ready. 

1104
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,080
So it's it is kind of difficult 
to parse exactly what's 

1105
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,760
happening here because there's a
lot of subtext like is Iron Rod 

1106
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,200
like setting Lars up for some 
news that he's not sure, but 

1107
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,760
he's like, I don't know if this 
is true, So you should tell him.

1108
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,040
They're both kind of afraid of 
amons and neither of them really

1109
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,600
want to approach him in general,
especially Lars. 

1110
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Lars probably more so than Iron 
Rod and but neither of them 

1111
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,160
could know this. 
Like even if Lars is whispers 

1112
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,920
even his network is extremely 
good, he probably is being 

1113
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,720
truthful when he's talking to 
Iron Rod. 

1114
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,000
Like who else could this rider 
be? 

1115
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,680
Like Reyna tried to claim a 
dragon sea smoke when she was 14

1116
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,600
and it didn't work. 
I saw the funniest meme about 

1117
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,480
this. 
It was like, man if I was Reyna 

1118
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,480
and the whole realm knew I had 
failed that hard I would be so 

1119
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,520
embarrassed I'd leave for Pentos
right then. 

1120
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,120
I was like, that's so true that 
like everyone's just gossiping, 

1121
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,920
like she just failed. 
Why can't you claim a dragon? 

1122
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,640
All these other Targaryens like 
first cry like she just can't do

1123
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,120
it. 
She's synonymous with failure. 

1124
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,120
So, yeah, so they are perplexed 
at the whole idea. 

1125
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,360
So it's not just an intelligence
because it's, you wonder, like 

1126
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,160
the intelligence could be right 
or wrong, but it's hard to to 

1127
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,560
figure out why it would be 
accurate because they're both 

1128
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,360
aware of this small pool of 
dragon riders that they can't 

1129
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,080
conceive of how this pool has 
gotten larger suddenly as it as 

1130
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,680
it has. 
So yeah, it is a little tricky 

1131
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,280
to interpret the scene because 
you can't tell. 

1132
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,240
It's hard to tell if they're 
just like one of them is trying 

1133
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,200
to sell the other one out or if 
they're genuinely not sure. 

1134
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,040
I think it's all of the above. 
I don't think, I think all these

1135
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,640
things are in play. 
Yeah, I think on on one hand, 

1136
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Iron Rod, maybe there's like a 
lot of win win here, right? 

1137
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,960
Like if I give Lars this 
information and Aegon receives 

1138
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,840
it well and it turns out to be 
true, da da da. 

1139
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,120
OK, well now Loris owes me a 
favor. 

1140
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,600
If I give this Loris information
and he gets it Aegon, it doesn't

1141
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,480
go oh hey that's on Loris, not 
me. 

1142
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,480
Exactly. 
Yes, you're so right. 

1143
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,600
And he gets to feel Loris out 
either way. 

1144
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:03,840
Also, you know, Loris can even 
if Loris is clever enough to 

1145
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,760
figure out what Iron Rod's 
doing, Iron Rod still. 

1146
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,120
Yeah, that's sure. 
You figured me out. 

1147
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,600
It's still up to you if you want
to give me information or not. 

1148
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,000
Like he's still, even if Laura 
is suspicious of him, he still 

1149
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,840
has a hard time losing here. 
And another factor, too, because

1150
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,400
he probably knew the thing that 
Laura said that it, you know, 

1151
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,800
maybe keep this to yourself. 
That's kind of weak evidence. 

1152
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,240
You heard from someone, heard 
from someone. 

1153
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,680
It's especially when you 
consider that it could just be 

1154
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,080
like the telephone game. 
Someone just misunderstood or 

1155
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,640
saw the wrong thing. 
Every random fisherman knows 

1156
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,560
exactly what every dragon looks 
like. 

1157
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,680
Like they maybe they just saw 
bail on her dragon. 

1158
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,680
Or is it you know? 
Who knows if the information was

1159
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,320
even correct, even if it was 
honestly told. 

1160
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,600
And here you have Silverwing 
showing up at the end, which is 

1161
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,040
like, is that the dragon they 
saw? 

1162
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,360
You know, like maybe that's 
maybe they thought it was sea 

1163
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,080
smoke, but it was it was 
Silverwing instead. 

1164
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,680
I mean, it's harder to it's a 
little easier to make that 

1165
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,760
mistake, especially from a 
distance, like when Vegar at the

1166
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,920
end is flying towards Eamon. 
Like is Eamon know which dragon 

1167
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,560
that is? 
CC It's clearly a dragon because

1168
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,880
he can make the color out. 
Vegar flying towards Eamon. 

1169
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,640
Sorry, Vegar playing towards 
King's Landing. 

1170
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,600
Like, can you tell what dragon 
that is? 

1171
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,400
Probably not. 
He may have been able to tell 

1172
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,040
before he even got out there, 
but it's never been. 

1173
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,160
It wasn't clear at any point if 
he knew what dragon that was. 

1174
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,320
It was just something he had to 
do something about. 

1175
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,120
But we'll, we'll discuss that 
scene at the end because that's 

1176
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,360
at the end. 
Yeah, I feel like specifically 

1177
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,920
sea smoke and silver ring could 
be confused with one another 

1178
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,160
because both the kind of blue, 
grey, silver color, you know, I.

1179
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,800
I similar size. 
Similar size. 

1180
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,800
Yeah, exactly. 
And that's us. 

1181
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,880
We might confuse him knowing 
exactly what they look like and 

1182
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,400
what their names are. 
Every random person in a realm 

1183
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:38,840
doesn't know that information, 
so. 

1184
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,440
Now Larry's egg on in our while.
So like you said, Sean, there 

1185
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,360
may be some, you notice some 
evidence or some hints that 

1186
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,920
maybe he's trying to conceal 
Aegon's progress and the 

1187
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,720
progress, you know, I'm sure 
Lars is trying to pump him up a 

1188
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,000
little bit, but he said your 
progress is impressive and you 

1189
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,320
know, he's walking. 
Now, something important to keep

1190
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,040
in mind here, we're doing these 
scenes in a different order. 

1191
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,200
But when the scene starts, it's 
right after we see the dream of 

1192
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,600
Viserys. 
So the Damon's dream with 

1193
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,880
Viserys ends. 
And then it cuts to this scene, 

1194
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,040
which is Aegon walking with a 
cane. 

1195
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,040
He's completely channelling the 
father he didn't want to be 

1196
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:15,960
like. 
In his room. 

1197
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,000
In the same room. 
Yeah. 

1198
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:17,560
Good point. 
Yeah. 

1199
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,080
Yeah. 
So why is there the rush? 

1200
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,400
I think that's pretty 
straightforward, right? 

1201
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,800
He's a Aymond. 
That's the thing that's already 

1202
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,080
been established. 
But also, now there's new dragon

1203
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,240
riders to be concerned about. 
Like, oh, oh, like, maybe the 

1204
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,720
not only are are your, is your 
own side a threat to you, your 

1205
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,840
own brother, but the other side 
is gaining some steam with their

1206
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,160
military strength. 
And you might. 

1207
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,360
There's various reasons why you 
might need to be mobile now. 

1208
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,320
Two big reasons. 
I, I think this is, I think this

1209
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,840
rush is coming from Loris. 
I think I'm more confident when 

1210
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,600
I watched it over again, when I 
started, when I had this idea. 

1211
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,400
The moment that the door opens 
and Orwell's Orwell sees that 

1212
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,960
it's Loris, he's like. 
Yeah, he knows it's somebody 

1213
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,960
else. 
Across his face, he was worried 

1214
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,280
that damn Amon or someone else 
was going to see that. 

1215
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,360
He's pushing Aegon to recover 
faster. 

1216
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,880
He wants Amon to think the Aegon
is laid up in bed and it's just 

1217
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,560
going to be there indefinitely. 
But Loris I think wants to 

1218
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,600
suddenly present Aegon. 
Almost like when Visaris walked 

1219
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,760
back into the throne that day. 
Like I'll, I'll, I'll handle 

1220
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:18,800
court today. 
Otto, you. 

1221
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,680
Know I will sit the throne this.
Time I'll. 

1222
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,360
Sit the throne, right? 
I think we're going to get a 

1223
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,840
moment like that with Aegon. 
And I think that's also why it 

1224
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,280
it seemed confusing at first 
because Loris is telling Orwell 

1225
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,160
you should be more careful. 
But then he says, keep pushing 

1226
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,160
him like, well, I'm confused. 
What he means is when you're 

1227
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,600
pushing him, be careful about 
who might come in. 

1228
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,440
He even says, I'll have this 
sentry give you more warning. 

1229
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,400
He'll give you a a bigger head 
start if someone's coming to get

1230
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,920
him back into bed to hide what 
we're doing here. 

1231
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,880
Yeah, he says you shouldn't do 
that alone also just like well 

1232
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,440
who's supposed to be helping me 
here but yeah, I agree. 

1233
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,560
I agree. 
That's a good that's a great 

1234
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,280
point about the idea of of 
presenting him as healthy all of

1235
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,680
a sudden. 
But I do think that the the 

1236
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,480
reasons for him to be concerned 
are part of this. 

1237
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,400
Like he also, that is part of 
why he has to hurry. 

1238
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,880
But I think he's hard because 
he's worried he's going to get 

1239
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,160
in trouble with Eamon. 
He's worried. 

1240
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,840
All the things, yeah, getting 
caught, the greens and the 

1241
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:12,800
blacks, yeah, all those. 
Things. 

1242
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,240
And I think that you shouldn't 
be doing this by yourself. 

1243
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,600
I think that might have been for
the guard's sake, that he might 

1244
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,400
have wanted the guard to hear 
that statement. 

1245
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,040
Maybe he doesn't think. 
Yeah. 

1246
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:22,840
Well, he's. 
Happening all the time or 

1247
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,040
whatever, yeah. 
Tom was really good in the scene

1248
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,240
too. 
His his pain acting just so, so 

1249
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,520
good, very authentic and it's 
his one scene of the episode, 

1250
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:36,000
but he really really took really
took a lot of attention with 

1251
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,160
that. 
It really, really caught note of

1252
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,760
that is really. 
Heart rending Amon had his own 

1253
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,320
orb at council. 
Now whether I don't think he 

1254
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,640
took it back from Aegon. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1255
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,720
I don't think he took it back. 
Yeah, that would be that would 

1256
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,000
be strange for him to take it 
back. 

1257
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,880
So yeah, let's take a short 
break here. 

1258
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,760
I hope to see a lot of y'all in 
New York. 

1259
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,360
The time is growing short. 
It's next Saturday, Saturday the

1260
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,360
3rd, we're going to be live at 
City Winery in Chelsea. 

1261
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,480
That's Manhattan. 
You should come out and wear a 

1262
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,760
costume because we will give you
prizes and if you have the 

1263
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,920
coolest costume, we'll give you 
more prizes. 

1264
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,800
But either way, you can hang out
with us. 

1265
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,600
In a relatively intimate 
setting, there won't be a whole 

1266
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,200
lot of people there and we'll 
get to talk about the season. 

1267
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,160
Look forward to Episode 8 and 
just hang out like y'all. 

1268
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,240
A lot of y'all have never met us
and we probably haven't met you 

1269
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,440
with a few exceptions, and we 
would like to do that. 

1270
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,640
So Michelle, please tell them 
where to find the link. 

1271
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,960
Bit dot LY slash how live NYC? 
Hell yeah. 

1272
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,800
We hope to see you there this 
Saturday, August 3rd. 

1273
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,720
City Winery, NYC. 
OK, Lee Hughes says, calling it 

1274
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,360
now. 
Adam's mother is a daughter of 

1275
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,720
Sarah. 
I like to think Sarah had a lot 

1276
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,240
of kids and Lee said sent them 
to live near Dragonstone in the 

1277
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,000
hopes of some of her descendants
would claim Dragons. 

1278
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,520
Well, it's certainly possible. 
Book version of Sarah had did 

1279
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:56,640
have multiple bastards. 
They could have tweaked who they

1280
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,000
were for the show because, for 
example, in the book, all three 

1281
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,080
of those bastards are sent to 
the Great Council to make claim.

1282
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,720
And here, that's not what 
happened. 

1283
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,200
I don't think any of them showed
up to make claims with Grain 

1284
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,080
Council on the show version. 
One of those bastards should be 

1285
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,760
Hugh. 
So he, he obviously wasn't 

1286
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:19,120
there. 
So yeah, that's, that's entirely

1287
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,200
possible. 
And I wonder if they will fill 

1288
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,760
some of this out more and 
they'll explore it. 

1289
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,400
It would need for Hugh and ulf 
to have a conversation about 

1290
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,840
their parentage or or Adam and 
Alf, for Adam and Hugh or the 

1291
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,360
three of them to just dinner 
with dragon seeds, you know, see

1292
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,760
what kind of conversations come 
up, talk about their past 

1293
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,080
drinking contest ulf would win. 
You know, that kind of thing. 

1294
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,240
Divine Miss the Z. 
They referred to mothers at one 

1295
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,960
point in the episode. 
Was that Sylvie's brothel? 

1296
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,600
Yes, I think so for sure. 
Yeah, 2 girls from the mothers. 

1297
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,600
There was like a barmaid from 
the seven maesters. 

1298
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,040
I just threw out some names 
there. 

1299
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,640
Yeah, that's pretty cool. 
Yeah, I think Madame Sylvia's 

1300
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,840
mother. 
Yeah, that, that's the, that's 

1301
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,840
the there. 
Yeah, I think you're right. 

1302
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,320
So you look up the orb. 
Looks the same, huh? 

1303
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,040
You have it on screen, Doesn't 
it look like the exact same as 

1304
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,080
as what Aegon's orb look like to
you? 

1305
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,720
Kind of hard to tell. 
It does look similar. 

1306
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:07,680
I don't know if it's the it's 
hard. 

1307
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,920
It would be too difficult for me
to say it's the exact same but. 

1308
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,280
It's the same color. 
It definitely looks very 

1309
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,360
similar. 
It does look similar. 

1310
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,920
Yeah, that's kind of odd. 
Bogsy sends a super chat and 

1311
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,040
says the look he gave Vermithor 
was in Hue, man. 

1312
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,880
Oh, I see what you did there. 
Very good, Very good. 

1313
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,560
Oscar and Damon, let's talk 
about Harrenhal. 

1314
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,200
Let's go there. 
That was this was a great scene,

1315
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,600
Sean. 
You said it was probably your 

1316
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,200
favorite. 
We get the relentless dripping 

1317
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,560
to start this, this whole 
sequence of scenes here of the 

1318
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,760
the dripping from the ceiling. 
It's enhancing Damon's 

1319
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,720
irritability, his impatience, 
and it's kind of like the 

1320
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,880
ticking of a clock. 
Does that all those things for 

1321
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:51,520
us, Damon, kind of like Corley's
when meeting with Oscar, he 

1322
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,520
congratulates him on something 
that he really didn't have much 

1323
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,000
role in. 
He's like, you're you're the 

1324
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,280
head of your household now. 
Well done. 

1325
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,800
He's like, well, I didn't do 
anything. 

1326
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,440
It's the exact same thing that 
Corley says. 

1327
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,880
Well done. 
You know, it's like, yeah, so 

1328
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,400
this kid has a real spine, but 
also keeps his cool and manages 

1329
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,880
to to walk a tightrope here. 
He's he's it's a difficult spot 

1330
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,880
he's in, but he handles it super
well. 

1331
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,560
I love that he says you've made 
rather a mess of of this. 

1332
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,080
You know, he's like, yeah, 
that's that is putting it 

1333
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,280
mildly. 
And I'm green in this matter. 

1334
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,840
That's a great little. 
It's like green, you say. 

1335
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,600
What kind of green? 
Green, yeah. 

1336
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,760
Oscar Green or the Greens? 
Like I'm siding with the greens.

1337
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,760
Yeah, Yeah, that's true. 
Too. 

1338
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,360
But I will say in the book, 
there's a great line where 

1339
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,360
they're referring to his brother
Kermit, who's cut from the show,

1340
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,080
who they call him Green as 
Summer grass and say his brother

1341
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:49,160
Oscar was still greener and had 
a prickly pride common in second

1342
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,240
Sons. 
So yeah, it's a nice little 

1343
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,360
Easter egg. 
Love it. 

1344
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,800
That is really good. 
So he ultimately decides, and 

1345
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,880
this is before going outside to 
say that he's basically telling 

1346
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,840
Damon, yeah, I'm with you 
because, you know, our oath is 

1347
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,960
more important than anything 
else. 

1348
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,800
But justice also matters. 
And that part he doesn't say to 

1349
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,360
Damon. 
He waits till they're outside 

1350
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,880
and then kind of drops that part
on him. 

1351
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,760
So Oscar says he's not sure the 
river Lords will follow him, 

1352
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,480
though, before they go out 
because he's so young. 

1353
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,160
He's like, I can't just tell 
them what to do. 

1354
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,000
In other words, I'm too young. 
I don't know if they'll obey me 

1355
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,400
yet. 
Like my authority has yet to be 

1356
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:22,920
tested. 
This will be the first time I 

1357
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,480
tell them what to do at all. 
And it's a really big thing to 

1358
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,280
be telling them what to do in 
the midst of this, this other 

1359
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,480
drama. 
So it's a reasonable thing for 

1360
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,120
him to say. 
And it also kind of gives him, 

1361
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,400
allows him a little more leeway.
He's like, well, Damon, I can't 

1362
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,720
just go out in there and and 
order them around, you know? 

1363
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,560
So I'm going to have to play 
both sides a little. 

1364
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,680
David doesn't fully get it. 
I think he gets it, but I don't 

1365
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,240
think he understands just how 
far Oscar's going to go with 

1366
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:46,640
this. 
Like, he definitely doesn't 

1367
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,920
expect to execute Willem. 
He didn't see that coming. 

1368
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,640
Yeah, I don't. 
Yeah, I think that's correct. 

1369
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,920
He didn't expect to execute him,
but I think he knew that he was 

1370
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,440
going to get roasted. 
He was, yeah. 

1371
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,600
He knew that he was going to get
talked down to a little bit. 

1372
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,400
I don't, I, I think some of it 
was he was playing it up like 

1373
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,400
you suggested. 
I'm open to that. 

1374
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,760
Some of it he maybe still his 
pride is so overwhelming that he

1375
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,760
had to rein it back in even in 
the moment when he knew he had 

1376
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,080
to on his be on his best 
behavior. 

1377
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,080
And he says, yeah, you know, I 
may have been a little too 

1378
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,920
enthusiastic in pursuing my 
aims. 

1379
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,160
That's that's about as much of 
an apology as you'll get from 

1380
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,560
him. 
You know, he's a king in this, 

1381
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,200
you know, I think. 
Damon knows he has to let Oscar 

1382
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,000
look like he got the best. 
Yes he does. 

1383
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,200
He has to. 
You're right. 

1384
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,720
Yeah, I, I even suspect that 
Oscar might have been counseled 

1385
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,360
by a couple of these other 
lures, but before he went there,

1386
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,840
they're like, look, we're not 
going to do XYZ unless you and, 

1387
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,720
or Damon do XYZ. 
Like, you know, we're going to 

1388
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,320
commit our troops and our our 
our safety drags might burn our 

1389
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,720
homes. 
Like, we got to really believe 

1390
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,680
in this. 
And I think that Oscar knew that

1391
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,440
he was going to have to publicly
put Damon in his place to win 

1392
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,200
these people over. 
And I think Damon realized that 

1393
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,440
he Damon realized I'm just going
to have to suck this up, aren't 

1394
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,320
I? 
He for him to be the leader. 

1395
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,640
I can't snap back at him for me 
to win these. 

1396
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,960
I want their army. 
Like he even said, I don't want 

1397
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,760
their love. 
I want their swords. 

1398
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,680
So all right, well, I'll go out 
there and be the the punching 

1399
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,160
bag for a minute, as long as I 
get the swords in the end. 

1400
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,320
And I do think that was maybe 
the the one up he didn't 

1401
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,520
anticipate was having to execute
Willem there. 

1402
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,400
But I think that was something 
that the other Lords let Oscar 

1403
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,520
knew they needed to have happen.
Yeah, I don't even think Oscar 

1404
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,880
went out there knowing for sure 
he was going to have to. 

1405
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,320
Willem would have to be 
executed, but it may have been 

1406
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:28,760
on his mind. 
And he probably knew it was a 

1407
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,200
possibility. 
I mean, maybe Willem Blackwood 

1408
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,840
might have just said, I renounce
you, Oscar Tully. 

1409
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,720
And then, well, he doesn't 
dispense justice on him at all, 

1410
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,440
right? 
Like, he doesn't know how Willem

1411
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,160
was going to react in that 
moment. 

1412
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,920
Even that was he was kind of a 
wild card. 

1413
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,920
Yeah, and it played really well.
He waited once. 

1414
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,920
Willem knelt to him. 
He's like, OK, now I've got him.

1415
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,160
You know, like now you're, 
you've submitted to me now that 

1416
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,600
means you've submitted to my 
authority and my judgement here.

1417
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,440
I like your idea that he may 
have been coached. 

1418
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,440
It makes sense that a young man 
would ask for some advice, 

1419
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,760
especially a guy like this who 
doesn't seem arrogant. 

1420
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,520
He seems like he would ask for 
advice. 

1421
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,120
And that's, he also plays it 
really smooth. 

1422
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,840
He's like, look, I'm too young 
to, to just go off in some other

1423
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:05,440
direction. 
So the best thing I can do is 

1424
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,520
just carry forward my 
grandfather's oath. 

1425
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,560
That was so smooth. 
It was perfect. 

1426
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,520
Yeah, exactly like that. 
I'm torn here. 

1427
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,680
You guys are torn, too. 
So when you can't figure out 

1428
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,840
what the right answer, it seems 
like I should default to what my

1429
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,000
father wanted. 
The oath that we all made. 

1430
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,920
That's if we can't figure the 
rest out. 

1431
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,400
Let's go to that baseline. 
Right? 

1432
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:25,720
Yeah. 
And it's hard to argue against 

1433
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,760
that. 
But the one already made against

1434
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,080
that might be the terrible 
things that Damon Slash Willem 

1435
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,440
did. 
OK, well, let's address that too

1436
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,160
then. 
And they addressed it, so now 

1437
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,200
everyone's all on board. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1438
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,280
I like the idea that coaching. 
Also, I wrote in our notes that 

1439
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,720
if maybe it was Alice of all 
people that did the coaching. 

1440
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,960
But it wasn't present in this 
episode. 

1441
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,440
Or not she was not, by the way. 
But we get this great overhead 

1442
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,640
shot of the Lords and the Heart 
tree, which could be kind of 

1443
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,320
like her view of the event, like
the bird's eye view, the owl's 

1444
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:56,080
eye view. 
Yeah, Owls I. 

1445
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,840
Think I feel strongly that she 
was observing. 

1446
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,480
Yeah, yeah. 
How would she miss this? 

1447
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,520
Like, yeah, she has to. 
This is the culmination of 

1448
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,480
events that she's been partly 
guiding. 

1449
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,920
And it's such a a striking image
because it's, it's from amidst 

1450
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,000
the branches, you know, like 
it's, it's, it's from a perch 

1451
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,240
type place. 
It's. 

1452
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:14,960
A good point. 
It really just looked like right

1453
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:21,040
where a bird would be standing. 
So Oscar is introduced, right? 

1454
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,680
He says his business. 
He says, I'll defer to my 

1455
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,479
grandfather's oath. 
Enter tradition. 

1456
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,880
But this is what Damon's not 
expecting. 

1457
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:29,640
Justice is part of that 
tradition. 

1458
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,120
Like Lady Mallister points out 
Will and Blackwood kind of gets 

1459
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,680
the vibe. 
And he's like, uh oh. 

1460
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,560
And he says, look, justice was 
done. 

1461
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,359
The Brackens were traitors. 
They needed to be punished. 

1462
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,279
He's not entirely wrong about 
that. 

1463
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:46,000
The Brackens did go to the other
side and that deserves 

1464
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,640
punishment. 
But yeah. 

1465
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,800
That all the all the wives and 
children of the Brackens decided

1466
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,279
to support the other side. 
And so you had to go to Spence 

1467
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:55,040
Justice. 
Yeah. 

1468
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,840
So exactly, Sean. 
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly 

1469
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,279
that. 
And Oscar points out this wasn't

1470
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,160
really your motivation. 
We all know better than that. 

1471
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,960
You did it because you wanted 
to, because these were Brackens.

1472
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:08,720
If it was the Vances and you 
were tasked with putting the 

1473
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,680
vances down and getting them in 
line, you wouldn't have done 

1474
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,399
this. 
You would have done it a 

1475
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:13,439
different way. 
You would have done a more 

1476
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,080
straightforward war manner, like
go out there, keep with an army 

1477
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,760
and put them under siege or 
something like that. 

1478
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,840
It would, it wouldn't have been.
You would not have treated any 

1479
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,600
other Riverlands house like 
this. 

1480
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,560
It's because they're the 
Brackens that you did it this 

1481
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,240
specific way. 
Yes, Damon told you to do your 

1482
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:32,080
worse, but you did even more 
because you wanted to. 

1483
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:36,760
Yeah, if if someone had told 
whatever the pipers to go do 

1484
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,160
this to the Blackwoods, would 
Willem have expected this to be 

1485
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,279
done? 
And this is also a little bit of

1486
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:47,319
a a message to the Lord. 
So like, just because someone 

1487
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,640
above me tells you to do 
something, that doesn't mean 

1488
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,279
I'll be OK with it, right. 
Like, I I guess if you think you

1489
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:55,600
have to do it because the king 
told you, go ahead. 

1490
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,400
But that doesn't mean you'll get
off Scott free. 

1491
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,680
You'll still have to pay the 
consequences if it's the wrong 

1492
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,160
thing. 
And furthermore, this is a 

1493
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:03,360
little bit of a message to 
Damon. 

1494
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,680
Like, hey, you can't ask us to 
do the wrong thing. 

1495
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,600
We just won't do it. 
This guy did it because he's 

1496
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,920
crappy, and we cut his head off,
and now everyone knows they'll 

1497
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,160
get their head cut off. 
You can't ask us to do the wrong

1498
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,520
thing anymore. 
We're held together by an oath. 

1499
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,600
You have an oath too, right? 
Well said. 

1500
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,360
That's very good. 
Yeah, Damon is kind of put on 

1501
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,280
notice, like, you know, and that
they're also basically saying, 

1502
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,040
yeah, we're pledging to the 
queen here. 

1503
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,800
They refer to Damon as her 
representative. 

1504
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,920
You know, it's like, just 
because there was representative

1505
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,800
is so reprehensible, you know, 
So my feelings on him shouldn't 

1506
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,280
make me deny my oath and the 
oath that we all took. 

1507
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,520
Yeah. 
It's really, really well done. 

1508
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,600
I love the excellent dialogue. 
It all just was like so smooth 

1509
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,720
and people saying the perfect 
things to support their 

1510
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,480
position. 
Part of why I think he was 

1511
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:49,360
coached a little because it was 
too perfect for. 

1512
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:50,800
An 11 year. 
Old or whatever. 

1513
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,240
All right. 
Yeah, I can see that. 

1514
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,400
Much older than 11. 
Is he like 13? 

1515
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,520
Maybe 14? 
I would guess this kid is like 

1516
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,640
1516 and 17. 
Think so. 

1517
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,280
That old? 
Yeah, totally. 

1518
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,560
OK, well, still pretty young. 
And he's a Sarah, too. 

1519
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,920
He was. 
He was called Sarah Oscar. 

1520
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,760
They called him Sir Oscar. 
In the show. 

1521
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:08,440
You sure? 
Yeah. 

1522
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,920
OK, then he's definitely older 
than 14 or 15 if he's a Sir. 

1523
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,760
Yeah, he just. 
He looks younger than that, but 

1524
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,400
whatever. 
You know, that doesn't mean 

1525
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,760
anything what he looks like. 
I wonder if they have actually 

1526
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,560
listed his age. 
We'll have to do a little 

1527
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,720
digging. 
In any case, Damon is backfooted

1528
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,720
by the realization that, yeah, 
Willem's execution is required 

1529
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:31,480
of him, not just on the table. 
But if he doesn't do it, this 

1530
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:34,640
whole thing might fall apart and
you might think, OK, no big 

1531
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,200
deal. 
Damon has no trouble killing 

1532
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,240
this guy. 
It's just one guy Ray Damon's 

1533
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:43,960
willing to kill, you know? 
But Damon is has this sense of 

1534
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,600
loyalty. 
He employed this man. 

1535
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,040
They had like, a a deal. 
And he's betraying Willem here. 

1536
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:55,320
Damon, you know, it's a Willem's
a scoundrel, but it's like Ryan 

1537
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,080
console describes it as like a 
mafia code. 

1538
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,080
Like we, you know, you scratch 
my back, I scratch yours. 

1539
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,240
I'll do a dirty deed for you. 
You do a dirty deed for me. 

1540
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,480
We both get what we want. 
So this is a real betrayal. 

1541
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:07,840
Even though they were up to no 
good, even though they were in 

1542
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,120
cahoots with the wrong kind of 
people. 

1543
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,040
It's not a case of, oh, you 
served your purpose. 

1544
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,800
I can just take you out. 
He feels bad about it. 

1545
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,480
He really does. 
Whether he should feel about it,

1546
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,320
he should feel bad about Reya 
and doesn't feel bad about that 

1547
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,120
and does feel bad about this, 
that's beside the point. 

1548
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,760
Damon feels bad it, he really 
does. 

1549
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,200
And this is relevant to his 
whole arc in this place. 

1550
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,600
The fact that the man really 
does have guilt over things like

1551
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,760
this, over betrayals. 
Whether it's this dude that he 

1552
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:37,840
went into villainy with, or 
whether it's someone that 

1553
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,440
actually matters a lot more to 
him, like his brother, who is of

1554
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:44,560
course waiting for him right 
after this execution in his 

1555
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:45,920
room. 
You know, there could be a 

1556
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,120
little bit of like, OK, if this 
guy's a scoundrel, he deserves 

1557
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:51,680
to die. 
Wait, I'm a scoundrel. 

1558
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,480
Do I deserve to do something to 
come? 

1559
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:56,880
Out right totally. 
So I think it might be that 

1560
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,200
Damon swore to himself that he 
wouldn't cut more than 4 heads 

1561
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:06,080
off and now here we go with #5. 
It's so great seeing Simon 

1562
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,880
Strong out in the daylight. 
It was like surreal. 

1563
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,760
It's like he's this figure I 
associate with the dark inside 

1564
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,960
of Harrenhal and here we are 
seeing like his vibrant purple 

1565
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,680
coat and. 
Whatnot serious fit that looks 

1566
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,360
good. 
That purple and gold. 

1567
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,800
Yeah, this. 
Is where all the money is gone 

1568
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,320
too. 
That's where all it's gone. 

1569
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,040
It's the real curse of Harrenhal
is their is their fashion 

1570
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,520
budget. 
But also Blue Floor, Blue Floor 

1571
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:33,720
points out if Oscar were under 
16, he would have a Regent. 

1572
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,280
He doesn't seem to have a 
Regent. 

1573
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:36,800
That's that's not a universal 
though. 

1574
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,240
They don't always have. 
Regent indication. 

1575
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:39,560
Also, I looked at the actor and 
he's 18. 

1576
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:40,360
Actor is 18. 
OK, cool. 

1577
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,240
You can remember like even Deron
didn't have a region. 

1578
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:44,720
There's there's times where 
people don't have regions, but 

1579
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,800
you're right that that would at 
least be a very common thing for

1580
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,800
someone in his spot. 
So it's really an indictment of 

1581
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,560
monarchy, the fact that Willem 
takes all the blame. 

1582
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,560
And I mean, people blame Damon. 
It's not like he's not blamed 

1583
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:58,680
for it. 
It's just that he has to take 

1584
01:13:58,680 --> 01:13:59,880
very little of the punishment 
here. 

1585
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,400
All he has to do is feel bad 
about killing this man. 

1586
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,400
And again, like I was pointing 
out at the beginning, there 

1587
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,880
seemed to be like the distant 
sound of of a cacophony of 

1588
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,000
Ravens as Damon is approaching 
him. 

1589
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:16,240
And then he swings his sword, 
kills him, kind of disassociates

1590
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:20,240
a little bit. 
Next thing you see, he's walking

1591
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:21,640
down the hall. 
But that might have been like a 

1592
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,800
blood sacrifice, like the old 
gods drank that blood. 

1593
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:28,000
It was a, a, a man of who 
follows the old gods too, the 

1594
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,720
Blackwoods. 
So a little bit of that vibe, 

1595
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,480
you know, if, if, if you're 
thinking on the tinfoil level, 

1596
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:37,360
then this was maybe something 
Alice was, was was arranging 

1597
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,200
from a very high level to get 
some power for the, for the 

1598
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,280
weirwood network. 
You know that that AL's eye view

1599
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,280
might have been a Blood Ravens 
eye view. 

1600
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,280
Well, he's not alive with you, 
but there would be. 

1601
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,920
People within the technically 
within the weirwood. 

1602
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,640
So it would really be a view 
from the face of the weirwood, 

1603
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,120
you would think, right, Like 
from from much lower if if Bran 

1604
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:02,640
or Bloodraven or anyone who is 
tapped into that network saw it,

1605
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,280
which I do like to think about 
all the things that anyone in 

1606
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,040
the network could have seen 
Recently. 

1607
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,800
I was thinking about how the 
weirwood in King's Landing and 

1608
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,800
the Red Keep, how it was in the 
scene where Viserys and Damon 

1609
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,280
are talking about like their 
mother and stuff like that. 

1610
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:21,840
And the idea that if Alice is 
tapped in, like all the 

1611
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,520
conversations that she witnessed
in that Grove, you know, in that

1612
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:26,360
little. 
Yeah. 

1613
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,760
Anyway, so I like thinking about
what people would see, so you're

1614
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,440
not wrong. 
The idea that like, just picture

1615
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,560
Bran or Bloodraven or someone in
the weirwood watching this 

1616
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,240
scene, like that's cool to 
witness, but not from that 

1617
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,040
perspective. 
Alice might have seen the when 

1618
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,800
Cole came to Allison after he 
beat Joffrey to death. 

1619
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,840
OK, Yeah, that happened in front
of that, and he almost killed 

1620
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,320
himself in front of that 
weirwood, Yeah. 

1621
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,160
Yeah, I love thinking about all 
the scenes that have been in 

1622
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,800
front of a weirwood over the 
years and seasons. 

1623
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,400
It would be neat to have the 
camera view from the face of the

1624
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,200
weirwood, like the lower level, 
and it would be explicitly from 

1625
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,960
the the tree eye view rather 
from the the base rather than 

1626
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:03,480
from the branches. 
So yeah, let's talk more about 

1627
01:16:03,480 --> 01:16:06,920
the the dream cycle here. 
After the execution, he's back 

1628
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,960
in his fugue state of sorts. 
Or maybe he's just always in it.

1629
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,320
You just never know when he's 
going to see something. 

1630
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:14,320
So he walks back to his 
chambers. 

1631
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,720
The black goat is there. 
Question, do you think Alice has

1632
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,800
a skin changer only skin changes
into an owl or do you think she 

1633
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,520
also is in this goat? 
Probably in multiple animals. 

1634
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,440
She seems too powerful to be 
limited to one animal because it

1635
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:28,720
seems like the the powerful skin
changers can use multiple 

1636
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:30,880
animals. 
Yeah, so I think this is Alice. 

1637
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,720
We do see her in this episode 
then, for sure. 

1638
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,560
Because she's the goat. 
She is the goat, right? 

1639
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,120
Greatest of. 
All the black goat, she's got 

1640
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,440
black hair. 
Alice of all. 

1641
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:45,800
Greatest Alice? 
Greatest owl Alice time after so

1642
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:48,320
also this could be symbolic in 
other ways. 

1643
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,680
Well that's not symbolic, that's
just trying to identify who the 

1644
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,160
goat is, which I like a lot like
this theory. 

1645
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,560
So when he passes the goat the 
first time, it's the 1st morning

1646
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,080
where he's having 
hallucinations. 

1647
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,480
Now he had hallucinations that 
night where he saw the the his 

1648
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:05,440
first night in Harrenhal where 
there was like people marching 

1649
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:08,120
past his door or what have you. 
But when he wakes in the morning

1650
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,960
that first time with blood on 
his hands and he walks to the 

1651
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,520
council chamber and he sees the 
goat and then he sees the dogs 

1652
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:21,000
after the chamber session. 
So maybe this is the bookend. 

1653
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,480
He the that was kind of the 
beginning of his dreams dream 

1654
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:26,360
arc when he sees that goat for 
the first time. 

1655
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,560
And here he's going back to his 
bedroom and he finds his 

1656
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,760
brother, the person that's sort 
of a culmination of all these 

1657
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,760
dreams. 
So I wonder if that's maybe a 

1658
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,080
hint that the dream cycle's 
over. 

1659
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,480
We sort of thought it might have
been over last episode, but we 

1660
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:43,600
also knew that this scene was in
the trailer because you can. 

1661
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,800
There's a trailer shot of 
someone handing game in the 

1662
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,080
crown, and you could see Ashea 
had noticed that the Hand was 

1663
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:50,800
really old. 
So we're like, OK, yeah, that's 

1664
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,160
that's a dream. 
So we knew that'd be at least 

1665
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,080
one more dream, but this might 
be the last dream. 

1666
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,480
One more thing Sean before I get
your take on this. 

1667
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,640
Viserys says all who wear it are
crushed by it and it's 

1668
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,560
definitely true for him just by 
looking at him. 

1669
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,720
Technically the throne gave him 
that horrible disease, but he's 

1670
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,720
not just talking about the 
disease, he's just talking about

1671
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,360
the sheer weight and 
responsibility and all the other

1672
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,120
stuff. 
And he asked do you want it 

1673
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,760
still? 
Damon doesn't give an answer, 

1674
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,040
but it feels like after 
everything he's been through he 

1675
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,160
might still say yes, but it 
wouldn't be a quick yes and it 

1676
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,920
more likely it might be a no. 
How did you interpret that, 

1677
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,560
Sean? 
I kind of think so too. 

1678
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,560
I think that's the the growth 
that we're supposed to be seeing

1679
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,880
here that is getting past his 
own personal ambitions and 

1680
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,240
realizing that he's got to be 
able to work with people, that 

1681
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,600
he is a servant to the Queen and
these people the servants to him

1682
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,360
and you can't just do whatever 
you want and etcetera, etcetera.

1683
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,840
Yeah. 
So we see it kind of similarly, 

1684
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,200
yeah. 
I want to point out another 

1685
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,680
thing here though, that can you 
go back a couple images a share 

1686
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,680
to when they're when Visaris is 
holding the crown out sitting 

1687
01:18:55,680 --> 01:19:01,760
next to Damon there that and 
remember we talked about how the

1688
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,760
different imagery represented 
different people that held Heron

1689
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,680
Hall during certain times, like 
the three dogs or like the 

1690
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,920
Cleganes and the goat is like 
Vargo Haute and the bats are 

1691
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,520
like the Lawson's. 
And we were wondering if we 

1692
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,920
might see a flayed man 
representing the Bolton's 

1693
01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:21,560
thesaurus is missing some face 
on his, some skin in his face 

1694
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:26,320
and the Red Cross on his robe 
there is kind of reminiscent of 

1695
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,680
the, the red body, upside down 
body of a flayed man. 

1696
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,760
I'm saying it it, it Harkins to 
that image to me a little bit. 

1697
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,280
Right on. 
So these are definitely 

1698
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,000
questions for us to consider. 
Meaning, is this what the Old 

1699
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,920
Gods wanted for him to see? 
What is Damon's answer to this 

1700
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,680
question? 
Was Alice guiding this? 

1701
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,480
Is this the end of the dreams? 
That question will be answered 

1702
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:50,760
by future episodes more 
directly. 

1703
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,360
The rest we may not get answers 
on. 

1704
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,520
And it seems like he has his 
army now and he will be leaving 

1705
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,480
Harrenhal. 
So just from that perspective, 

1706
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:02,280
the fact that he won't be at 
Harrenhal, at least not for a 

1707
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,560
while, he might go back, but in 
the immediate future he's 

1708
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:07,360
leaving. 
Will he have dreams when he's 

1709
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:12,160
out there in the field? 
I'm guessing no, but it's not a 

1710
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,760
confident no. 
What do you think, Sean? 

1711
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,640
Are you thinking maybe, maybe 
still still see some dreams when

1712
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,720
he's like? 
Elsewhere. 

1713
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,600
I doubt it. 
They don't have much more time 

1714
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,280
for it in this episode. 
Maybe it continues in the 

1715
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,280
future, but I I feel like this 
is a Harrenhal thing and we're 

1716
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:28,880
moving on from here. 
Yeah, I tend to agree. 

1717
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,480
You feel similar, Asia? 
I cannot imagine a world where 

1718
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,920
Damon is not in Harrenhal and is
having these dreams. 

1719
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:39,320
Right on. 
Someone else, but I don't know I

1720
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:40,560
expect. 
Someone else to go to? 

1721
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,600
Harrenhal. 
Yes, I would like to see someone

1722
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,160
else haunted in Harrenhal. 
Whoever comes to Harrenhal, I 

1723
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,760
would like them to face this as 
well. 

1724
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,000
I know other people might be 
like rolling their eyes, they 

1725
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,320
don't want it from anyone else, 
but I would like that. 

1726
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,240
I like the dreams, yeah. 
I saw a really funny meme that 

1727
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,200
was joking about the idea of 
Gwain and Gwain Hightower in 

1728
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:03,080
Harrenhal and it was like, what?
What is haunting Wayne? 

1729
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,080
He's like, oh, a spider, you 
know? 

1730
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,880
Mom always liked you best, you 
know, like, what is that? 

1731
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,320
So. 
And Speaking of, let's talk 

1732
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,320
about Allison. 
She gets sewn up by Orwell while

1733
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,800
lamenting her fall from power. 
We were wondering who she was 

1734
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,120
talking to before this episode 
was like, oh, yeah, Orwell, of 

1735
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,200
course. 
And he's not really. 

1736
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,120
He's like the psychiatrist. 
He's just listening. 

1737
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,240
He doesn't really have anything 
to say. 

1738
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:26,400
He's like, yeah, go ahead and 
talk. 

1739
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,920
I'm not. 
I don't. 

1740
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,640
I don't really have much to say 
in response here. 

1741
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,320
I feel like the thing he said 
was very symbolic. 

1742
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,240
You'll have a scar, but it'll be
easy to hide. 

1743
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,600
Yeah. 
There's a lot of that action in 

1744
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,560
this show in general. 
And of course, as we've said 

1745
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,240
before, that's the exact same 
spot Rainier's scar is that she 

1746
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,120
gave her from the dagger. 
And in a way, Rainier gave her 

1747
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,960
this one 'cause she, you know, 
the riot was kind of her 

1748
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,520
business. 
Aegon's scars are not going to 

1749
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,400
be so easy to hide. 
Amon's scar is not so easy to 

1750
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:55,080
hide. 
It's true. 

1751
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,440
Allison and Raniera's scars are 
easy to hide. 

1752
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,760
I just wanted to say Olivia Cook
said that this scar and Allison 

1753
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,040
realizing that this is the exact
same thing that she did to 

1754
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,800
Ramira is what led her to leave 
to go out of King's Landing. 

1755
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,680
Olivia Cook said that she like 
this, this puts into perspective

1756
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,680
the absurdity of it all. 
And we're just doing the same 

1757
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,320
thing to one another and all 
that. 

1758
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,520
And so that's this, this. 
Not just are we as as viewers 

1759
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,840
cottoning on to the parallel, 
Allison herself has cottoned on 

1760
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,680
to the parallel. 
She needs to be able to skin 

1761
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,160
change into an owl, owl ascent 
and then she could go flying off

1762
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:34,880
and do whatever she leaves with 
Sir Ricard Thorne, another 

1763
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,720
member of the Kings Guard. 
This is actor Vincent Regan. 

1764
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,800
You might recognize this guy. 
He was in the movie 300 and the 

1765
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,360
movie Troy in in Troy, he was 
Achilles is second in command. 

1766
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,640
He he frequently had shocked 
face like what have you done? 

1767
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,000
You've flaunted in the face of 
the gods or whatever. 

1768
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,680
So and he's a little has a has a
minor version of that here. 

1769
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:56,600
When Allison's like, I don't 
know if I want to go back and he

1770
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:02,760
just kind of like, oh, oh. 
I assume this guy is related to 

1771
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,120
Alistair Thorne. 
Same house or whatever? 

1772
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,880
Same house. 
So she gets in the she starts 

1773
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:12,840
floating around in the lake 
there and what we're it's not 

1774
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,080
clear, but another time where 
the behind the scenes helps 

1775
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,600
clarify what's going on here. 
The reason she doesn't just keep

1776
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,320
floating, the reason she starts 
to swim back to shore. 

1777
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,480
It's not even clear that she's 
swimming to shore is because 

1778
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:30,800
she's had a realization exactly 
what we don't know, but she's 

1779
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,280
got a new sense of 
determination. 

1780
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,040
So this this was a good reset 
for her. 

1781
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,040
She went out into the into the 
wilderness. 

1782
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,480
Great music, great 
cinematography, and a pretty 

1783
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:41,720
short scene all together. 
It's just probably the least 

1784
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:46,600
Allison's been in an episode, 
maybe at all, but very, they did

1785
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,560
a lot with that 2 minutes and 
showing her kind of baptizing 

1786
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:55,920
herself, which is a very 
consistent symbol of renewal. 

1787
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,520
And then she actually has that 
renewal, even though we're not 

1788
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,880
entirely sure what clicked in 
her mind to make her go all 

1789
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,680
right, I have new sense of 
purpose now or something like 

1790
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,440
that. 
But that was clarified in the 

1791
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:08,480
behind the scenes. 
Yeah, I felt like the other 

1792
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:14,880
times when we saw submersed in 
water, they were trying to clean

1793
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,560
herself, whereas this time I 
felt like it was more of a 

1794
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:21,240
baptism, Rita pointed out. 
This is very reminiscent of a 

1795
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,720
famous painting of Philia, a 
character in Hamlet who was 

1796
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,640
driven insane by her the 
manipulative older men in her 

1797
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:29,960
life. 
Hey and he. 

1798
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,920
Ended up drowning, yeah. 
I was saying we talked about 

1799
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,800
this a little bit with Lady 
Gwynn last Saturday. 

1800
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,560
I was also comparing it to Lady 
of the Lake in addition to 

1801
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,560
Ophelia. 
Yeah, good catch, y'all. 

1802
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:40,680
And Ophelia, that's a great 
catch. 

1803
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,120
And yeah, I like the Lady of the
Lake thing. 

1804
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,640
Just like real life John William
Waterhouse painting type vibes 

1805
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,120
when she's standing there. 
Like it's just a real life 

1806
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,120
painting, you know? 
Bogsy says says a super chat and

1807
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,360
says Orwell says I don't have a 
therapy link. 

1808
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,680
Allison, that's a good point. 
What color would the therapy 

1809
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:58,960
link be? 
What? 

1810
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,720
What metal is that? 
I don't know. 

1811
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,160
Brass. 
No, that's that's been used 

1812
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,200
already. 
What is the therapy metal? 

1813
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,120
Silver. 
Silver is healing already. 

1814
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,240
That's what I was thinking. 
But yeah, what to think about 

1815
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,120
that a little more. 
OK, the red sewing. 

1816
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,960
Let's talk about the the prime 
event. 

1817
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,000
Oh wait, Sean, you have one more
take. 

1818
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,600
Well, about the Red Sewing I I 
was a little perplexed by that 

1819
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,480
title at first, and I realized 
I'm pretty sure it's a play on 

1820
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:26,840
the Red Wedding. 
No, it's a play on the the 

1821
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,800
sewing of because they're dragon
seeds. 

1822
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:30,960
What what? 
I think they were going to sew 

1823
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,600
these seeds, but instead a bunch
of them died. 

1824
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,160
I think they were instead of a 
marriage a bunch of people died 

1825
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,640
like. 
I think red is a is a color 

1826
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,000
attached to anything that's 
bloody. 

1827
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,320
I don't think it's a reference 
to the Red Wedding. 

1828
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,360
I think they both refer to the 
same concept. 

1829
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,680
But you're not wrong to connect 
them in a way like just it's not

1830
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,080
quite as direct, I think. 
But that, yeah, you could also 

1831
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,880
call this the worst Targaryen 
family reunion imaginable. 

1832
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,200
A Targaryen family reunion 
without at least 30 burnings is 

1833
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,960
considered a dull affair, right?
So Rainier faces one last 

1834
01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:01,480
obstacle before the choosing. 
You see all these people 

1835
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:05,040
arriving, She's watching them 
come up and there's a variety of

1836
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,920
types. 
They're not all silver haired, 

1837
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,240
There's some brown haired people
in there is this little variety,

1838
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,520
men and women of course. 
I like you can see her see an 

1839
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,800
oaf walk up right here, Yeah. 
That's right. 

1840
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,400
Yeah. 
I love seeing the recognizable 

1841
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:17,280
ones. 
That's my only tiniest, tiniest 

1842
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:18,840
complaint. 
I wish we had gotten to know 

1843
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,000
some of the ones that didn't 
survive so we wouldn't be quite 

1844
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,960
so clear who, yes, the key 
characters are. 

1845
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:26,800
Like, I wish we had gotten to 
know a little bit of Silver 

1846
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,320
Dennis or like this this girl 
that worked at the at the seven 

1847
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,080
maesters or whatever. 
Yeah, that would have been cool.

1848
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,760
One of the girls, some of the 
girls who worked at mothers, for

1849
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:39,240
example, the girl that Hugh, you
know, saves, that gets away. 

1850
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,080
Right. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, That girl did 

1851
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:42,880
get away, didn't she? 
Yeah, like we could see her 

1852
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,760
again. 
So, but Oh well, you know, it's 

1853
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,000
very small. 
Like I said, very small 

1854
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,400
complaint. 
It would have been cool, but you

1855
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,000
know, I understand that would 
have setting up other characters

1856
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,760
is difficult to do. 
There's so many people would 

1857
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,280
like you're using setting up 
silver Dennis instead of more 

1858
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:57,760
scenes with Bayla. 
Like people would have 

1859
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,920
absolutely complained about 
that. 

1860
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:02,400
So the dragon keepers are 
pissed. 

1861
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,360
The dragon keepers are like a 
monastic order. 

1862
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:09,400
They're very religious and they 
hated the idea of Stefan 

1863
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,840
Darkland trying and the fact 
that it didn't work was kind of 

1864
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,440
proof to them that it shouldn't 
have been done and it shouldn't 

1865
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:16,520
be done again. 
And one of their own died during

1866
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:17,840
that. 
That's that's that's definitely 

1867
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,880
coloring their opinion here. 
Like one of one of their people 

1868
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,000
died. 
Look at these guys, they they 

1869
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,120
always have ash on them. 
They're always like just proud 

1870
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,560
to be covered in soot, which. 
I didn't expect a dragon keeper 

1871
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:34,760
like walk out strike, it makes a
lot of sense, but I I wasn't 

1872
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,440
expecting them to kind of have 
solidarity with one another and 

1873
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:41,120
stand up against Rainier. 
Oh yeah, real labor strike, huh?

1874
01:27:42,440 --> 01:27:44,480
Yeah, the the Dragon Keepers 
Union is. 

1875
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,280
Yeah, they were inspired, you 
could say. 

1876
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:46,960
The writers. 
Yeah. 

1877
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,040
Right. 
Yeah, the writers strike 

1878
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:50,800
inspired the dragon keepers 
strike the. 

1879
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:57,880
Anti writers strike. 
You sees what see, you see what 

1880
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,640
happens when you go and do all 
this without the dragon keepers 

1881
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,520
help, all this. 
It's it's, it's chaos and a 

1882
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,680
death. 
And anyway, one of them says the

1883
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,720
only magic. 
Well, the, the one who speaks 

1884
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,080
says the only magic of old 
Valyria left in the sad world, 

1885
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:15,760
which is just such a powerful 
statement on their worldview. 

1886
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:22,080
Like we are the the keepers of 
this fallen empire, this fallen 

1887
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,920
everything, not just their 
magic, but this little shred of 

1888
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:27,480
what remains. 
And they called it an 

1889
01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:30,720
abomination. 
And yeah, the the the Dragons, 

1890
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,760
they see more than anyone see 
the Dragons as gods. 

1891
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:37,920
They're named after gods, the 
Melis, Cyrax, Viserion, you 

1892
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:43,240
know, these are these are gods 
of Valyria, Valyrian, all these 

1893
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,960
ones. 
So but they're a respect 

1894
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,280
doesn't. 
Stopper, you see. 

1895
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,640
Smoke in your storm. 
Those are your second. 

1896
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,960
Generation, you know dragon 
name. 

1897
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,120
Yep, there is a bit of a mix 
there. 

1898
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,960
That's right. 
So she gives a speech to the 

1899
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,920
assembled. 
Can I point something out real 

1900
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:02,560
quick? 
Yeah. 

1901
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,640
But she, she shares a look with 
Mazari where she, like, they, 

1902
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:09,080
they walk out on her and she 
like, looks up at Mazari like, 

1903
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,600
oh, I guess we're doing this, 
you know? 

1904
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:11,880
Yeah, Yeah. 
See. 

1905
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:16,400
Yeah. 
And it was Emma Darcy's idea to 

1906
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,840
walk amongst the dragon, the 
dragon seeds to give the speech.

1907
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:24,800
And it was Patty's idea to be in
the decrepit version of himself 

1908
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:29,560
rather than his regular, just 
normal kingly Raymond, which 

1909
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,800
probably added, you know, 
another few $1000 to the budget.

1910
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,200
But he thought it was more 
appropriate. 

1911
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,320
He's like, I'll do that scene, 
but only if I'm in my decrepit 

1912
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:36,760
version. 
And they're like, all right, 

1913
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,960
fine, go ahead, Patty, You get 
what you want. 

1914
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,880
So, yeah, same thing here. 
It was Emma's idea to do that. 

1915
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:43,960
I thought that was pretty 
effective. 

1916
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,400
Does Rainier believe what she 
tells them here? 

1917
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,600
Is she is she being naive when 
she says we get all these 

1918
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,560
Dragons and the greens will just
they'll just be overwhelmed and 

1919
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,680
they'll have to bend the knee 
like did you bend the knee when 

1920
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,200
the greens were overwhelming 
you? 

1921
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,200
No. 
So I don't know, does she 

1922
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,400
actually believe it or is she 
naive? 

1923
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,240
I'm not sure if she's just 
telling them that to pump them 

1924
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:06,520
up, like look, you all are going
to help create peace here. 

1925
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:09,800
Or does what do you think, Sean?
Did you Do you think she 

1926
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:13,040
actually believes that? 
She did at least say, you know, 

1927
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,000
God's willing. 
She said, you know, if we do 

1928
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,960
this, we could end the war 
without shedding any blood. 

1929
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,200
God's willing. 
So there at least she was 

1930
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:26,240
attaching a sort of hope to it. 
But I'll, I'll, I'll wait. 

1931
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,680
I have some more thoughts, but 
I'll wait till we get a little 

1932
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,240
deeper. 
But you know, you had a minor 

1933
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,240
complaint about this. 
I have a big complaint about 

1934
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:32,680
this. 
Okay. 

1935
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:36,480
We'll get to that, I guess. 
So yeah, one line I really like 

1936
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:38,120
is it must be the dragon who 
speaks. 

1937
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:42,120
It also kind of sums up the let 
the gods decide vibe of this 

1938
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:43,840
episode. 
Just follow the with the path 

1939
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,800
the gods have laid out for you, 
whatever that may be, whatever 

1940
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,960
your interpretation of that may 
be, which is the problem with 

1941
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,080
that, but it still is consistent
throughout the episode. 

1942
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,280
April May sends a message and 
says the red sewing is also the 

1943
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,080
red sewing. 
Dragons of thread sewing Dragons

1944
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,080
of flesh. 
Oh, very good. 

1945
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:04,960
That's what Elena said back in 
episode 7, younger Elena, when 

1946
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:09,480
she was cupping the spider over 
the shell. 

1947
01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:11,880
And Aegon was like, you're 
weird. 

1948
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,800
And Amon was like, don't say 
that about your, you know. 

1949
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,720
And that's what her line was. 
Dragons of seat thread sewing. 

1950
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,880
Dragons of flesh. 
Yeah, very good. 

1951
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,480
The red sewing. 
Good catch. 

1952
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,200
So I love the awe and danger 
that comes into Rainier's voice 

1953
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,760
when she begins to speak 
specifically of Vermithor. 

1954
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,480
The music changes to add 
gravitas to this. 

1955
01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:33,800
She's like, he's called the 
Bronze Fury. 

1956
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:38,240
We shall go to him now. 
I was like, whoa. 

1957
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,240
And then she calls to him and 
stands before them like a God 

1958
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,880
herself, just facing them as the
dragon emerges behind her. 

1959
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,000
A little bit like Daenerys with 
the with Drogon taking off 

1960
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,000
behind her but without the like 
demonic overtones. 

1961
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,520
But it is still pretty dark. 
And like the poster from season 

1962
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,760
one, as they said, right? 
So Rainier says he's not quite 

1963
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,640
as big as Vergar, but he's 
probably angrier, more 

1964
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:04,400
ferocious. 
She also says that, so that's 

1965
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:08,160
notable. 
She communes with him by putting

1966
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:12,720
her hand on his snout, which we 
saw Damon do back in season one 

1967
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,720
after singing the song to summon
him. 

1968
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,680
And she closes her eyes and it's
like a little bit of communion. 

1969
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,720
She she has this feeling of 
great power while touching him, 

1970
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,400
like as if something passes back
and forth between them. 

1971
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,400
Non verbal communication. 
It's confirmed in the BTS that 

1972
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,800
this happens and that's why 
Rainier has this like look when 

1973
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,240
she takes her hand off. 
Like she just felt this power 

1974
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:39,040
through him and is sort of 
exalting in it for a few moments

1975
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,160
before she turns back to face 
the dragon seeds again. 

1976
01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:46,560
We also see Jon Snow do this 
with Drogon in in season seven 

1977
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,080
or eight with Daenerys is 
actually on Drogon's back and 

1978
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:53,240
Drogon's like, And then Jon just
like very, you know, holds his 

1979
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,920
hand out slowly and cautiously, 
but bravely. 

1980
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,680
And the dragon, that kind of 
submits a little bit. 

1981
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,480
And yeah, definitely some 
familiar elements here that 

1982
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,440
we've seen before, but slightly 
different variations on them. 

1983
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,320
I like how she once she says, 
you know, OK, it's time, let the

1984
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,240
dragon, the dragon must speak. 
And then she just gets the hell 

1985
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,360
out of there, walks back up and 
goes up on the balcony. 

1986
01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:16,560
It's like, all right now 
watching people die impassively 

1987
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,360
is a little new for her. 
And it's a little like a little 

1988
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:19,840
disconcerting. 
And it's a part of this whole 

1989
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,080
like elevating herself to God 
like status vibe that we've been

1990
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,640
discussing on and off throughout
this episode. 

1991
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,320
Let me let me go ahead and bring
up my complaint here because it 

1992
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:33,400
appears very much to me as 
though she didn't just like walk

1993
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,560
off and observe them dying 
passively. 

1994
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:41,160
They were blocked in as she 
passed by, the guards closed in 

1995
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:43,280
behind her. 
And when people started to run 

1996
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,320
out, they were stopping him from
running out. 

1997
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:50,240
And I don't know if that was her
plan or intention or what her 

1998
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:54,440
plan was, but, and maybe even on
some level she felt like she 

1999
01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:57,520
needed to force this to happen. 
Even if a bunch of them die. 

2000
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,120
And even if that's the case, 
which is kind of dark, I don't 

2001
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,000
like it. 
But it still seems like an 

2002
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:07,840
unwise way to do this. 
Why not send in a dozen at a 

2003
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,080
time? 
Why risk I didn't get in them 

2004
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:13,400
all burned up and all at once 
Send a dozen in. 

2005
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:17,080
It seems like she's at least 
maybe willing to mislead them 

2006
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:18,840
the way she says we could end 
this war. 

2007
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,200
If one of you just drives a 
dragon and she kind of walks up,

2008
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,720
look, see I touched them, now 
you go do it. 

2009
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,720
She knows this dragon could open
fire and burn them. 

2010
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,560
I feel like she's giving them 
some false confidence about this

2011
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,120
whole process. 
Yeah. 

2012
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,360
I mean, I, I have a lot to say 
about this, Sean. 

2013
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:37,640
Yes. 
So why not bring 12 in? 

2014
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:40,440
Don't let the other people even 
know. 

2015
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,840
And if the dragon goes crazy and
burns them all, like, all right,

2016
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:47,800
next 12, you know, maybe there's
this fear that if they see the 

2017
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:49,960
other people get burned, then 
they'll be too scared to go try 

2018
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:51,680
it. 
I'm not even sure that's true. 

2019
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:53,240
But if it is, don't let them 
see. 

2020
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,640
It well, she did say that she 
definitely expressed that fear 

2021
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:56,960
before. 
Like she said, no one will try 

2022
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,160
again after hearing what 
happened to to Stefan Darklin, 

2023
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:00,760
so I think that at least is 
consistent. 

2024
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,640
So don't let them know, keep 
them in that's. 

2025
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,560
Dishonest too though. 
Like wouldn't you have a problem

2026
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:07,360
with that too? 
Like if they're, if you're 

2027
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,800
hiding the consequences, like, 
isn't that just as bad, right? 

2028
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,080
Well, I, I think they're both, I
don't know, immoral. 

2029
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,840
But this is immoral and unwise. 
They all could have randomly 

2030
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,240
been killed. 
She needs to save a few and 

2031
01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:22,560
let's just say for example only 
14 people had showed up. 

2032
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,240
Would they have waited till they
had 45 to stick out there? 

2033
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:28,440
Say 200 showed up, would they 
have crammed all 200 all the 

2034
01:35:28,440 --> 01:35:29,800
way? 
Clearly they could have been 

2035
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,800
broken into smaller groups. 
I'm not. 

2036
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,120
So OK, let me let me interject. 
Just let me just interject 

2037
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,240
briefly here. 
I'm not sure that the outcome 

2038
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:41,400
was that predictable, that 
Vermithor would just go crazy 

2039
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,440
and kill everyone. 
I don't think that was that 

2040
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:46,240
predictable of an outcome, and I
don't know that Rainier could 

2041
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:47,520
have guessed that it would. 
Right. 

2042
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,840
I don't know if it's 
predictable, but it's certainly 

2043
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:50,880
a chance. 
Why? 

2044
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,560
I'm not sure it is. 
I'm not sure she should expect 

2045
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,640
that to go to for it all to go 
that badly. 

2046
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:58,440
Like he smoked left, he didn't 
go in berserk. 

2047
01:35:58,440 --> 01:36:00,160
He killed the people that were 
right in front of him, then he 

2048
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,440
left. 
Yeah, but that same flame, if 

2049
01:36:02,440 --> 01:36:04,400
fourteen people have been 
standing behind those people 

2050
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,440
would have been hit by it like 
they were here. 

2051
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,880
And again. 
I'm not arguing it's also. 

2052
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,680
Possible it's also possible that
the dragon the the, the, the 

2053
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,960
dragon keepers, if they have 
been there, they might have 

2054
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,360
known better said this is too 
many people. 

2055
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,040
The Dragon's going to freak out,
right? 

2056
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,640
They they may have had some 
counsel that she lost. 

2057
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,800
Maybe she's not wise because 
she's not educated in this whole

2058
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,800
process. 
But it still seemed like those 

2059
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,920
guards were people keeping 
people in, and that's seems 

2060
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,840
unforgivable. 
I think you're right, Sean. 

2061
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,320
That's the point. 
She messed up. 

2062
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:33,640
Like that's that's the point 
here. 

2063
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,240
She didn't take her time. 
She didn't have the approval of 

2064
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:40,200
the administration, the 
organization to make this go 

2065
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,840
properly. 
She specifically had a moment 

2066
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,680
with Vermithor to make sure that
like they would, you know, feel 

2067
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,080
gassed up. 
I think it was a manipulation, 

2068
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,760
but I think it was effective. 
That was the right thing to do 

2069
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,720
is to make them see, oh, it is 
possible to bond with this 

2070
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:58,600
dragon. 
And yeah, you're right, she 

2071
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,040
should have split it into 
smaller groups, like slightly 

2072
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,840
smaller groups, just do groups 
of five, do whatever, whatever, 

2073
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,120
Split it in half. 
She knows she still has Silver 

2074
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,160
Wing to go. 
I think you're right that she 

2075
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,760
messed up, but I don't think the
show is is portraying it as she 

2076
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,600
did the right thing. 
I think they're showing that she

2077
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,040
was rushed. 
She was pushing this and a lot 

2078
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:20,320
of people are unhappy with how 
she did it. 

2079
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,960
If she had talked to Jason, the 
dragon keepers and all these 

2080
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,280
people and had it out and they'd
taken some time, they might have

2081
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:27,640
been like, well, here's a 
compromise. 

2082
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:30,280
Let's do this, let's do that. 
That that's not what happened. 

2083
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:34,080
I, I don't think we're meant to 
admire Raniera for how she 

2084
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,520
handled this. 
We see that they're she's making

2085
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,480
them stay there. 
It's very dark. 

2086
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:41,560
Like I, I don't think this is 
admirable of her. 

2087
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:43,480
Like you're right. 
I don't necessarily think 

2088
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:47,040
they're trying to make her make 
us admire her for it, but I do 

2089
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,800
feel like it worked out like at 
the end of this. 

2090
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:52,920
Episode for now. 
For now jar. 

2091
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,000
Is in trouble. 
I don't think we're like aha 

2092
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,120
Raniro was bad to the small for 
now. 

2093
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,520
The last episode was small folk.
I don't think she's gonna face 

2094
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,200
repercussions for this. 
I think you're wrong. 

2095
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:03,960
I think you're wrong. 
You're just plain wrong. 

2096
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:07,040
Like, just think about it Like 
she has opened herself up to 

2097
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,440
three new dragon riders in this 
episode. 

2098
01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:14,560
You think all three of those 
dragon riders are gonna you 

2099
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,360
think Jace is wrong? 
I don't think so. 

2100
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,520
Everyone was against her on 
this. 

2101
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:20,120
She's going to. 
I don't think she's going to 

2102
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,560
face the repercussions for 
having endangered and sacrificed

2103
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:25,360
those innocence. 
Oh, I mean, you think the small 

2104
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,560
folk are going to take revenge 
on her then maybe not. 

2105
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,200
But like, of course they aren't.
They're powerless. 

2106
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:30,960
Like why would she? 
Why would she face repercussions

2107
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:31,520
for that? 
That's like. 

2108
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:33,560
That's like going to either, I 
don't think. 

2109
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,080
Why would they? 
Why would they? 

2110
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,640
Why would? 
Why would Damon face 

2111
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:38,760
repercussions for what he did to
the bracken peasants? 

2112
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:40,800
It's the same thing. 
Like Royals don't face 

2113
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:42,640
consequences for what they do to
lowborn. 

2114
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:47,160
I guess I just find it ironic or
maybe frustrating to me that but

2115
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,400
we're seeing the some of the 
stories, the eyes of the small 

2116
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,080
folk. 
Massaria Hugh of, you know, in 

2117
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,280
the last episode was named small
folk. 

2118
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,480
And it seems like we're they're 
trying to show us the effects 

2119
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:03,840
that the wars, these angry 
Princess or whatever have how it

2120
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,400
affects the average person. 
But this is like a specific 

2121
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,960
mistake. 
Know whether it's irresponsible 

2122
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:15,640
or rushed or greedy or you know,
whatever it is or Rinera did 

2123
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,400
here that caused a bunch of 
innocent people to die. 

2124
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,960
And I, I feel like there should 
be a repercussion not not so 

2125
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,800
much for her like giving Dragons
to people who aren't ready for 

2126
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:27,840
it, but for her endangering 
these people's lives. 

2127
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,600
I feel like I'm sorry. 
I should be upset with her or 

2128
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:33,080
maybe oof himself or you know, 
you or whoever be like, you 

2129
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:34,880
could have got us killed. 
Why didn't you tell us? 

2130
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:36,920
You know, well, she did tell 
them like that was very clear. 

2131
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,080
She told them they could die. 
Like I think every single one of

2132
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:40,400
them knew there was a very good 
chance they would die. 

2133
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,480
I don't. 
I I agree with you that like 

2134
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:45,640
Anna Shaya pointed the same 
thing out that locking them in 

2135
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:50,200
was bad, but they all knew that 
they were not unlikely if not 

2136
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:54,960
likely to die. 
So I don't agree with that 

2137
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,160
second part because I think they
all knew what they were getting 

2138
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:58,600
into. 
No one was forced to be there. 

2139
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,960
Anyone who like Alan didn't go 
and he he had the choice. 

2140
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:04,960
There are a lot of people. 
That are forced to stay in 

2141
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:06,640
there. 
Well, yeah, but they were told 

2142
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:09,240
they could die before they were 
forced to stay in there. 

2143
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,480
And again, I we're not arguing 
about being forced to stay in 

2144
01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:12,680
there. 
We but we all agree on that 

2145
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:13,800
part. 
That was not cool. 

2146
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,640
They should have had the chance 
to change their mind. 

2147
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,320
She took the she took their 
ability. 

2148
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:19,800
She took them. 
She took away their ability to 

2149
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:23,000
to back out, not their but she 
didn't mislead them in the 1st 

2150
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,200
place. 
I that's the part I guess I 

2151
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:26,840
disagree with. 
But yeah. 

2152
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,360
And about the names of the the 
episodes, yeah, I kind of see 

2153
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,560
what you're saying. 
But like the last episode was 

2154
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:32,840
really focused on the small folk
too. 

2155
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:34,840
They could have called this one 
small folk too. 

2156
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:39,000
Electric Boogaloo. 
But but it is more about the red

2157
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,600
sewing. 
And I think this one is less 

2158
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:44,440
about the small folk because we 
only see it's really ulf and 

2159
01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:47,320
Hugh, but mostly it's Rainier 
watching them. 

2160
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:51,320
Like that's the kind of like the
OR Vermithor's point of view, 

2161
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,000
you know what I mean? 
Like, I don't think we really 

2162
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:54,720
saw, we didn't get to know any 
of these characters. 

2163
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,760
We didn't hear their names. 
You know it was. 

2164
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,800
About the using of the small 
folk, like it wasn't really 

2165
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:06,200
truly about like them, it was 
about how the nobility uses them

2166
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,480
and how they're they're. 
They're like acceptable losses. 

2167
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,760
Yeah, yeah. 
That's that's that sounds. 

2168
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,280
Right complaint about last 
season and Rainey's too. 

2169
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,560
Like in a lot of ways, Rainey's 
would be my favorite character, 

2170
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:20,480
except she bust up through the 
dragon pane, killed the game, 

2171
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,720
who knows how many people. 
And if you could just remove 

2172
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:25,640
that one thing, she might be my 
favorite character. 

2173
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:27,320
But I can't, I can't just remove
that thing. 

2174
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,200
And up to this point this 
season, Rainier has been my 

2175
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:31,920
favorite character. 
But all of a sudden now I'm 

2176
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,680
like, well crap, she can't be my
favorite character of this, you 

2177
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:36,200
know? 
Who is it now, then? 

2178
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:39,400
Allison. 
Maybe he's. 

2179
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,480
Done some tough stuff too, but 
nothing this bad. 

2180
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,120
So maybe she has. 
I'm not sure if she has. 

2181
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,080
Like anything this bad? 
Yeah. 

2182
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,840
Well how bad is this though? 
Like every single person that 

2183
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,920
signed up for it knew they were 
going not unlikely to die. 

2184
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,800
Like I, I, I don't go as far as 
you all in in the darkness. 

2185
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,680
The thing is, even if they knew,
I still think she could have 

2186
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:00,680
done more to protect them. 
Send less at a time or have them

2187
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:01,960
not. 
Be well again, again. 

2188
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:04,600
I'm out or I'm repeating myself 
a little. 

2189
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,720
But yeah, she did not know this 
would happen. 

2190
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:10,240
She she had no clue Verma Thor 
would do this. 

2191
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:11,600
She's never seen anything like 
it. 

2192
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,040
No ones ever seen anything like 
this. 

2193
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,920
So I don't I don't agree that 
she should have guessed this was

2194
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,400
a possible outcome. 
Maybe she should have, but it's 

2195
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,640
I don't call it irresponsible. 
I think like wow. 

2196
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:23,840
To tell the guards to keep them 
in there. 

2197
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:25,760
Like if she said she might have 
said don't let it. 

2198
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,400
Maybe she just said don't let 
anyone leave in. 

2199
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,640
The guards didn't realize that. 
Yeah, they didn't know exactly 

2200
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,640
how bad it would get. 
Maybe she didn't give him a 

2201
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,800
contingency or something. 
Yeah, which I agree with. 

2202
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:36,000
That's part of the 
irresponsibility. 

2203
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,400
But still, I don't think that 
anyone could have expected what 

2204
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,560
happened to happen. 
Well, that that's the point. 

2205
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,040
That's where I would disagree. 
She has seen something like this

2206
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,880
when sea smoke burned. 
That's. 

2207
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:46,560
Dragon. 
Keeper. 

2208
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,800
That's not what happened though.
That's not what happened. 

2209
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,320
Sea smoke killed the the one guy
and then left or and caught 

2210
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,360
caught one other dragon keeper 
in the flight, did not go 

2211
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:55,760
berserk and try to kill everyone
there. 

2212
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:57,000
That's what I'm talking about. 
That's the. 

2213
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,080
Difference. 
This did go farther. 

2214
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:00,720
That, well, that's what 
specifically what I'm referring.

2215
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:04,560
To flames blasting onto that 
platform as she just put 

2216
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:06,040
everyone out there in harm's way
so. 

2217
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:06,560
Sure. 
Yeah. 

2218
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,800
No, I agree with that part that 
they should have maybe been 

2219
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:11,120
standing farther back. 
But here's another angle to this

2220
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,520
is that everyone wants to be 
there. 

2221
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,640
They want this risk. 
They want to become a dragon 

2222
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:19,600
rider like Kieran Beau who plays
Hugh. 

2223
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,120
When the other guy stepped 
forward first, his he said in 

2224
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,240
the interview, he's like, at 
that point he realizes he's made

2225
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:27,880
a mistake. 
What if someone else claims the 

2226
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:32,000
dragon before him? 
It's then his chance is gone. 

2227
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:35,440
So there is, there's a lot more 
to this than just they were 

2228
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:37,200
trapped in there and they didn't
have a choice. 

2229
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:38,840
And there's a lot of danger. 
I mean, yeah, they knew that. 

2230
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:40,240
Everybody knew there was a ton 
of danger. 

2231
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:43,640
The danger probably went before,
probably went beyond more than 

2232
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:47,000
what anyone expected. 
And maybe she could have guessed

2233
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,640
at something like that, but she 
definitely didn't see it coming.

2234
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:53,280
That I guess that speaks again 
though, to the maybe mishandling

2235
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:56,080
of how how it was executed, 
which I don't think any of us 

2236
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,000
are saying that it was handled 
perfectly. 

2237
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,720
Yeah. 
Which is that like he was there 

2238
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:02,120
like thinking like man, I should
go for like he doesn't really 

2239
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,760
have a good chance. 
It like just you just say who's 

2240
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:06,920
going to go first. 
It's just a. 

2241
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:08,720
It's just a weird way of 
handling. 

2242
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:10,800
It the other thing is she does, 
yeah, she doesn't know what 

2243
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:12,840
she's doing. 
She's like, well, and even if 

2244
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:14,520
the dragon keepers have been 
there, I agree with what you 

2245
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:16,400
said before, Sean, that if the 
dragon keepers have been there, 

2246
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,400
they might have been like, wait,
this this could get a lot worse 

2247
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:21,720
than you think. 
But maybe even they wouldn't 

2248
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,040
know that because maybe they 
don't even know still, let's 

2249
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,520
assume they do. 
So their lack is a big problem. 

2250
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:31,280
Their their, you know, strike is
a big problem that Rainier went 

2251
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:34,560
on to the site without OSHA 
regulations. 

2252
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,360
The people that know what the 
regulation should be. 

2253
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:38,000
So yeah, that's a definitely a 
strike against her. 

2254
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:42,000
I just can't help but think 
about how much she should have 

2255
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,840
just done two groups. 
She knows she has silver wing I.

2256
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,480
I think if if she had just split
them in groups of two IA lot of 

2257
01:44:49,480 --> 01:44:51,200
my issues would have been 
solved. 

2258
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:54,880
You know, that's a good point. 
I think that having and maybe 

2259
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,560
she should have done Silver Wing
first, but she was more 

2260
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,600
concerned about finding her 
right for Vermithor. 

2261
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:02,240
So yeah, there's definitely some
mistakes made here and I 

2262
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:03,880
wouldn't say. 
Why she wants a rider for 

2263
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:05,440
Vermithor. 
She wants the dragon. 

2264
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:08,360
That's the best shot. 
Oh, yeah, that's easy that. 

2265
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,360
But she's. 
But if she goes with the more 

2266
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,080
docile dragon first, then she 
has a chance of. 

2267
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:14,760
Yeah. 
But again, I don't know that she

2268
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,240
expected so many people to die. 
Like, the scope of death was 

2269
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:21,040
beyond what anyone expected. 
And the other thing is that 

2270
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,800
they're doing it differently. 
This is not the way Targaryens 

2271
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:25,840
mount Dragons. 
You go in by like, that's what 

2272
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,560
they tried before with Stefan 
Darkland. 

2273
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:29,560
It didn't work partly because 
he's not Targaryen. 

2274
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,960
This was her new way of like, 
wow, this is something that can 

2275
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:34,920
happen. 
Adam was chosen by the dragon, 

2276
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:37,960
so that's why putting everyone 
in the room does make sense. 

2277
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,800
It's not necessarily the best 
idea, but it's not just random. 

2278
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,800
It's because you want the dragon
to select from all the available

2279
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,840
candidates. 
And yeah, of course, what went 

2280
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:50,600
wrong did go wrong. 
And then maybe she's seen that 

2281
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:53,440
coming, but. 
I go back to what I was saying 

2282
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:56,600
before about like what if only 
22 people have showed up? 

2283
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,520
They wouldn't have felt like we 
need to wait till we have 

2284
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:02,120
exactly 45. 
Like I think that you the idea 

2285
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:06,000
of the dragon choosing is a 
reason to have more people in 

2286
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,520
there, but not everyone in 
there. 

2287
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,280
That's my concern is that you 
could have. 

2288
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:12,520
But how do you make? 
Yeah, she could have. 

2289
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:14,240
She could have just been told 
some of them to say she would 

2290
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:15,840
have to order something to stay 
back, you know? 

2291
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:19,560
And it said we have two Dragons,
we have Vermithor and we have 

2292
01:46:19,560 --> 01:46:22,200
Silverwing. 
Describe the two Dragons. 

2293
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,480
Half of the people will want the
biggest and baddest dragon, 

2294
01:46:25,480 --> 01:46:28,920
Vermithor, or they'll feel some 
sort of kinship, or some people 

2295
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,120
will choose one and some people 
will choose the other. 

2296
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,800
I think you should give people 
the option and then you again, 

2297
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,720
you don't have all your dragon 
eggs in one basket as it were, 

2298
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,520
you know? 
And there may also be some 

2299
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:44,520
factor along the lines of the 
Dragons more likely to accept 

2300
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,960
the braver person or something 
along that line, right, so. 

2301
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,880
And they just don't know for. 
For the first 10 volunteers, you

2302
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:55,080
might have a higher shot of one 
of those people making it, since

2303
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:56,920
they are ostensibly more brave, 
I guess. 

2304
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:59,640
But if they don't, if something 
crazy happens, the dragon 

2305
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:01,480
rejects them or burns them all 
alive or something. 

2306
01:47:01,480 --> 01:47:04,920
OK, we got 30 some more people 
to still try it with, so yeah. 

2307
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:07,560
Yeah. 
Anyway, all this, I don't think 

2308
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:09,400
anyone's arguing it. 
She did it perfectly. 

2309
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:14,200
How bad it was, how immoral or 
misleading or organized or the 

2310
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:17,240
dragon keepers could have done 
better or all things to wonder 

2311
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:18,920
about it. 
It's it's interesting. 

2312
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:23,120
It's it generates discussion for
us, but it just frustrates me. 

2313
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:27,000
I just feel like someone else in
the same way that maybe some 

2314
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,400
people are afraid to stand up to
Amon or Joffrey, whoever, 

2315
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:30,680
because you might get in 
trouble. 

2316
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:34,040
I feel like someone should have 
said, Hey, Raniera, maybe, you 

2317
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:35,760
know, someone should have spoken
up. 

2318
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:37,960
And she doesn't seem like a 
leader who wouldn't listen to 

2319
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,080
her advice. 
But she's really rushing through

2320
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:41,840
this. 
She feels like this is ordained 

2321
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:45,920
by the gods and I. 
I wonder how many other mistakes

2322
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:47,160
like this you might end up 
making. 

2323
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:50,040
Sean, someone does stand up to 
her at the Dragon Keepers and 

2324
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,480
Jace we see two by not that you 
know, Jace kind of doesn't want 

2325
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:54,800
to happen at all. 
But they're not, they're not 

2326
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:58,480
standing up to her for the for 
the I how to do it better. 

2327
01:47:58,480 --> 01:47:59,680
They don't want her to do it at 
all. 

2328
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:02,040
This specific moment of putting 
everyone out there. 

2329
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,040
Yeah, Sean meant like how to do 
it better not to do it at all. 

2330
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,400
You know what I mean? 
Like he could have. 

2331
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:08,720
Yeah, but she didn't ask her 
counsel. 

2332
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:09,840
And. 
And I don't think that, but I 

2333
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:10,960
don't think that would have 
mattered. 

2334
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,160
I don't think they would have. 
I mean, I agree with you. 

2335
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,640
Like seeking out advice might 
have been smart, but like, what 

2336
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:18,680
advice would they have had? 
Like they don't, No one knows 

2337
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,240
what's going on here. 
No one knows what they're doing.

2338
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:22,480
Like why is she going to take 
advice about Dragons from people

2339
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:23,760
that don't know anything about 
Dragons? 

2340
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:27,320
Hopefully, just as she is Vice 
save half the people for the 

2341
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:29,640
other dragon. 
That's it. 

2342
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,080
I don't. 
I don't know about you both, but

2343
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:34,920
I don't think this is a mistake 
on the writer's part I. 

2344
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:38,120
Think it's a mistake. 
On Rainier's part, personally I 

2345
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:41,040
think it was intentional for her
to be sloppy. 

2346
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,520
So the other aspect of this 
thing that's interesting is the 

2347
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,600
guards blocked the door. 
That happened, but I'm not sure 

2348
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:52,080
they would have continued to, 
given how bad it was. 

2349
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:54,120
But then they all got torched 
too. 

2350
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:56,040
And then no one could leave 
because they were there was 

2351
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:57,680
burning bodies blocking the 
exit. 

2352
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:00,960
That's why people started 
running down the stairs because 

2353
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:03,760
there was nowhere else to go. 
And that's when Alf gets knocked

2354
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,240
off the wall. 
And that turned out to be pretty

2355
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:08,880
fortunate for him, though not as
much As for some other people. 

2356
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:13,200
And this is like they're putting
a very tough spot. 

2357
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:14,840
Like I said, they run down the 
stairs even though that puts 

2358
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:17,840
them into the Dragon's cave. 
But the platform is a complete 

2359
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:19,840
death trap. 
It's turned into like worst spot

2360
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:21,640
possible. 
Like you said, Sean, it's so 

2361
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:24,320
many people there that made it 
worse that no one could run. 

2362
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:27,120
And then the bodies themselves 
became obstacles, burning 

2363
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:28,920
bodies. 
So Hugh becomes kind of the 

2364
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:33,760
focus in the chaos and darkness.
It's a, it's a classic movie and

2365
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,520
TV show thing to do. 
You have chaos and you have 

2366
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:40,160
follow someone that way you have
some guide through the chaos, 

2367
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:42,480
something that you can stick 
with and at least have a sense 

2368
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:44,600
of what's happening. 
So it's not too chaotic. 

2369
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:46,840
You still have a, it's still a 
movie or ATV show. 

2370
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:48,800
You still have to be able to 
follow the action and it's 

2371
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,360
really insane, right? 
Vermithor is very God like in 

2372
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:54,480
the scene, a very dark God 
making a banquet of all the 

2373
01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:56,640
seeds. 
Like I said at the beginning of 

2374
01:49:56,640 --> 01:50:00,880
the intro, it was like reward a 
God of fire and shadow and 

2375
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,120
eating them was one, one by one.
It's spectacular and terrifying 

2376
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:07,040
at the same time. 
Hugh finds himself behind this, 

2377
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,000
behind a rock, next to this 
woman. 

2378
01:50:09,120 --> 01:50:13,560
They're both kind of panicking a
little, and they make a run for 

2379
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:16,280
it. 
Vermithor notices. 

2380
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:19,440
They separate. 
Hugh pushes her out of the way 

2381
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:21,920
as the maw is closing on them, 
and they both dodge. 

2382
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:26,160
Basically, he shoves her to the 
side and then dives out of the 

2383
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:28,400
way, and then they make a run 
for it. 

2384
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:33,040
But she's faster than him, and 
then he distracts Vermithor. 

2385
01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:37,520
And this is a point where Ryan 
Condall says that, yeah, we're 

2386
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,840
not trying to get too deep into 
explaining the mystery, but 

2387
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:47,320
absolutely, there is behavior 
and qualities and things that 

2388
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,880
the character and the dragon are
connecting on. 

2389
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:51,520
We're not meant to know what all
they are. 

2390
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:54,520
But it's easy to come up with a 
few guesses here, in my opinion.

2391
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:58,520
Like, Hugh is not afraid. 
He's, he rages back at the 

2392
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,160
dragon, which Firmathor has 
probably not seen that sort of 

2393
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:03,280
thing. 
Like, wow, this dude is, well, 

2394
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,920
he's different. 
Maybe I won't snack on him. 

2395
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,120
You know, that's something. 
It's like when you meow back at 

2396
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:12,120
your cat. 
Or bark back at a dog that's 

2397
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:13,000
barking at you. 
Yeah. 

2398
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:19,800
You know, I, I feel like we have
seen in the story, in the show, 

2399
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:23,880
in the story in general, 
different methods and different 

2400
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:27,840
degrees of dragon blood. 
And, and it makes sense that 

2401
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:32,120
Martin and Condole would not 
want there to be designated 

2402
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:34,920
rules and that there wouldn't be
designated rules at different, 

2403
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:36,760
as we said earlier, like 
different Dragons would have 

2404
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,000
different personalities. 
The point in their life, their 

2405
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,240
temperament at the moment, how 
hungry they are, All these 

2406
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:44,000
things could play into it. 
And so it might play out a 

2407
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:47,880
little differently each time, 
but a friend we were watching 

2408
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:49,280
with Adrian, you guys know 
Adrian? 

2409
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:53,200
She pointed out a commonality, 
at least in these two, was they 

2410
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:57,680
both seem prepared to die. 
They seem ready. 

2411
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,400
They had accepted their fate. 
They're like, well, here it is. 

2412
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,520
I'm in front of the dragon if it
wants to. 

2413
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:06,880
And it that maybe on some level 
calmed the dragon or gave the 

2414
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:09,120
dragon acceptance of them or 
something, I don't know. 

2415
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:11,760
I like that take, and I agree. 
I wrote a similar thing about 

2416
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,080
Ulph. 
I didn't write it the same way, 

2417
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:15,800
but I wrote that Ulph didn't 
panic, that he gave in to the 

2418
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:17,720
moment. 
And so that's it's, it's a not 

2419
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,480
quite the same as what Adrian 
was saying, but I, I, I, I think

2420
01:52:20,480 --> 01:52:23,080
I like the way Adrian put it 
even better, which is the yeah, 

2421
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:24,440
it is. 
And it fits really well with the

2422
01:52:24,440 --> 01:52:27,400
theme of the episode of gods 
and, and being chosen and just 

2423
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:31,240
submitting, just faith. 
Like what happens happens, you 

2424
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:36,640
know, it's the will of the gods.
And also just he was saving this

2425
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:38,360
woman here, this moment of 
selflessness. 

2426
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:39,720
I think that might have 
mattered. 

2427
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,920
I mean, this was the the, the 
Jaharius dragon. 

2428
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:45,640
Jaharius was the good, the old 
king, the conciliator. 

2429
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:50,080
He was perhaps the best king 
that's ever lived in Westeros as

2430
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:52,960
far as the Targaryens, and made 
life better for a lot of people,

2431
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:55,880
including the common folk. 
Not as much perhaps as his wife,

2432
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,400
good Queen Alice Anne, which 
we'll talk about in a minute, 

2433
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,400
but maybe that matters. 
And as far as the fear thing, 

2434
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:03,560
the submitting thing, also 
remember when Stefan went up 

2435
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:05,720
there, the dragon keepers like 
don't show any fear, don't show 

2436
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:07,720
any fear. 
That's level one. 

2437
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:11,120
Maybe like don't show the fear. 
Actually not having it would be 

2438
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:13,920
level 2 and Level 3 would be 
like just full submission to 

2439
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:17,160
whatever happens, you know? 
Or, you know, there's always the

2440
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:19,640
famous. 
You know, you, you have to be 

2441
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,320
scared in order to be brave. 
You know that. 

2442
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:28,600
However afraid Stefan or Olfa, 
whoever were Stefan, I don't 

2443
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:30,840
know if he was prepared to die, 
right? 

2444
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:34,240
He was maybe scared at first and
then gain confidence, but I 

2445
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:36,360
don't think he was really ready 
to die. 

2446
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:41,520
But I think OLF and Hugh were 
ready to maybe because of all 

2447
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:42,920
the carnage they had just 
witnessed. 

2448
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,440
Like, well, I there's nothing I 
can do about this. 

2449
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,200
I guess I just have to be ready 
to die. 

2450
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:50,520
That maybe is a way to 
distinguish them from Stephen's 

2451
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:52,080
failure. 
You know, so clearly Sean, if 

2452
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:55,080
you were to redo the scene, you 
would put Notorious BI GS Ready 

2453
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:59,160
to Die album on in the 
background to properly psych up 

2454
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:04,080
the Dragon Keeper Dragon's seat.
Hugh is a grandson of Jaharis, 

2455
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,800
right? 
Who he might just remind 

2456
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:10,400
Vermithor of Jaharis. 
Looks like Jaharis, smells like 

2457
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:11,800
Jaharis. 
That's exactly what I'm getting 

2458
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:12,640
at. 
There's a lot of things that 

2459
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:16,120
would make him think about his 
his previous writers only 

2460
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:20,680
writer. 
Whatever. 1/2 It's very, very 

2461
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:24,920
funny for the writer of 
Vermithor to be the son of 

2462
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:28,760
Sarah, who Jaharis just 
basically disowned and and and 

2463
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,200
did away with and then was real 
mad at. 

2464
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:35,080
The child of his that he got 
along with the least best by far

2465
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:37,200
out of 13 children. 
Yeah, and. 

2466
01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:40,800
In an interview with Kieran 
Butte, it was really good about 

2467
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:42,600
this. 
He talked about what 

2468
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:46,680
similarities he felt. 
Jaharis and Vermithor and you 

2469
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:51,000
shared and all of these things 
and he, he spoke to Jaharis 

2470
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:55,240
having a, a need to control 
things that he couldn't always 

2471
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:56,960
control. 
And that he felt that was 

2472
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:00,920
mirrored in Hugh, which we see 
with him like the the sense of 

2473
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:04,760
powerlessness that he has about 
the deaf daughter, which is also

2474
01:55:04,760 --> 01:55:06,760
something that Jaharis would 
have experienced because he 

2475
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:08,480
would have lost a lot of 
children. 

2476
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:11,000
Yeah, Anyway, he was. 
Just with Sarah too, like he 

2477
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:13,640
just couldn't, just could not 
control her and she wouldn't 

2478
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:16,160
behave and they couldn't reach a
cord and he was so mad at her 

2479
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:17,160
and all that. 
Yeah, you're right. 

2480
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,560
That's a great. 
Yeah, so clearly the actor 

2481
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:23,440
playing he was put a lot of 
thought into his character, the 

2482
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:26,880
meaning of his character being a
son of Sarah, a grandson of 

2483
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,480
Jaharis. 
And it's a great interview. 

2484
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,320
I recommend looking it up. 
He read all of Fire and Blood 

2485
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:34,040
too, so that's he's one of 
those. 

2486
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,200
Scoured it for like any hint 
about things that would have to 

2487
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:41,760
do with Sarah and his his story 
and yeah, it was really cool. 

2488
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:44,120
Yeah. 
And so just to be clear, in Fire

2489
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:48,400
and Blood, Sarah is said to have
had three bastard children, one 

2490
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,760
of whom what looked like 
Jaharius when he was young. 

2491
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,560
So I had Canon. 
I think a lot of people said 

2492
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:56,960
Canon is that's the one right 
there that meets that last 

2493
01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:01,480
description. 
So yeah, great fit, great scene.

2494
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:05,560
Great moment all around and it's
something though, to add to 

2495
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:09,000
bring it back to Rainier. 
We she clearly moved closer 

2496
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:11,160
during all this. 
She was up on that balcony and 

2497
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:14,320
then as things progressed, she 
got closer and and wanted to see

2498
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:15,800
what was happening and got on 
the platform. 

2499
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:18,160
And if you look closely, even in
this moment, she's there. 

2500
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:20,080
She is standing up on that 
plumber. 

2501
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:23,040
You can see her on the platform 
even in these shots where it's 

2502
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:25,360
just Hugh and Vermithor. 
It's not just Hugh and 

2503
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:27,600
Vermithor. 
Rainier is standing up there and

2504
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:30,160
you can see her. 
Yeah, it's pretty cool. 

2505
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:34,480
And a little adds a little more 
to the ominousness of Rainier's 

2506
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:36,480
vibe here. 
Like she's just watching it 

2507
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:37,920
happen. 
She's a little impassive. 

2508
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:39,480
People are dying. 
You know, we already talked 

2509
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,080
about some of the other issues 
there. 

2510
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:44,840
Can I ask you, Sean, what's your
opinion on Hugh after his 

2511
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:47,480
comportment to use Oscar Tully's
word? 

2512
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:52,760
What's your view on Hugh during 
this chaos? 

2513
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:55,640
You know, like, I feel that you 
might have expected him to be 

2514
01:56:55,640 --> 01:56:58,760
real cut throat or awful to 
other people after punching 

2515
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:03,040
someone for food, but I don't 
feel that he did show himself to

2516
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:06,400
be heartless. 
No, I don't think so. 

2517
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:09,720
It seemed like he was trying to 
save that girl there and. 

2518
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:12,120
She gets away, he saves her 
life. 

2519
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:14,080
He does more than like. 
He saves her life. 

2520
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:17,040
She got away, and as much as. 
He punched someone in the face. 

2521
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,160
He also saved a woman's life. 
Yeah. 

2522
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:23,640
Yeah, it's they, I feel like 
they're presenting him as a 

2523
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:26,160
protagonist. 
I I don't think he's going to be

2524
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:29,480
a villain. 
He now he might not be, I don't 

2525
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:34,520
know, say this qualified for the
protagonist role he gets right. 

2526
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:37,400
He still might screw up with the
dragon or something, but I have 

2527
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:39,320
hopes for him. 
I, I was frustrated that he 

2528
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:42,120
punched that guy in the face and
took his food, but I was 

2529
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:44,720
frustrated because I thought he 
was a good guy and that wasn't a

2530
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:48,520
good guy thing to do. 
So now he's back to seeming like

2531
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:50,720
a good guy for the most part of 
these. 

2532
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:53,240
This is all maybe a little 
inconsiderate of his wife. 

2533
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:57,360
Yeah, yeah, he shook a little of
that good off, but yeah, he, he 

2534
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,160
took a little bad by doing that.
Shades of Grey, of course, as, 

2535
01:58:00,200 --> 01:58:02,320
as, as humans tend to be very 
interesting. 

2536
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:03,000
Yeah. 
And I agree with you. 

2537
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:05,120
Like he's a different person 
now, Rainier said So. 

2538
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:09,000
And that look he gave, he looked
up like it was a little dark. 

2539
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:12,160
I think the way he he looked 
after realizing he had 

2540
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:14,400
succeeded, you know, he. 
Has an intensity to. 

2541
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:16,680
Him. 
Yeah, yeah, it's part of the the

2542
01:58:16,680 --> 01:58:20,160
rage, but also like, he just. 
He thought he was going to die a

2543
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:23,360
minute ago. 
And it's an unusual situation to

2544
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:26,920
find yourself in, so it's hard 
to exactly read the emotions 

2545
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:28,480
there. 
But it looked a little dark, 

2546
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:32,680
just like Rainier's look was. 
Elizabeth sends a super chat, 

2547
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,360
says there's a parallel between 
Damon killing Willem and Rainier

2548
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,400
letting these people died and 
justify the means. 

2549
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:39,760
Yeah, it isn't about in this 
case. 

2550
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:41,560
This isn't a point about being 
good or bad. 

2551
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:43,440
This is a point about getting 
things done. 

2552
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:46,920
And yeah, Rainier is trying to 
get dragon riders and she is 

2553
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:49,640
willing to sacrifice people to 
do it. 

2554
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:51,480
And Damon needs to get these 
river Lords. 

2555
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:53,720
Damon is willing. 
Yeah, I think it's a great 

2556
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:56,200
parallel there. 
And again, what points to me 

2557
01:58:56,200 --> 01:59:00,320
saying that we're not meant to 
think fondly of Rainier's 

2558
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:02,960
choices here, and we're not 
meant to really think fondly of 

2559
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:06,080
Damon's choices here either? 
Nope, Nope. 

2560
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:07,080
I agree. 
Yeah. 

2561
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:09,360
And and it's not a modern 
reading. 

2562
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:12,480
I think people in the story 
would would have like people 

2563
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:14,560
living in the setting would, 
would judge them for some of 

2564
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,880
these actions too. 
Some of it's modern. 

2565
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:19,840
We can't help divorce ourselves 
from our modern viewpoints. 

2566
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:23,760
But it's the exercise of trying 
to put ourselves in that world 

2567
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:26,880
and and judging based on the 
values of that world, I think is

2568
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:28,440
interesting. 
And I think you make a good 

2569
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:30,560
point when you did bring up 
earlier, what would, what did, 

2570
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,960
what did Mazaria think of this? 
And that is not only is she a 

2571
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:37,560
small folk, a member of the 
small folk, but she has 

2572
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:41,000
Raniera's ear quite closely. 
And, and, and you know, they're 

2573
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:42,560
intimately acquainted and all 
that. 

2574
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:46,480
So I it is a salient point 
whether Mazaria would be like we

2575
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:51,000
went too far or Mazaria herself 
is like it was worth it if we're

2576
01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:54,880
going to help all small folk to 
to sacrifice 40 small folk. 

2577
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:57,160
Don't. 
Yeah, don't forget that Mazaria 

2578
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:02,200
was is the one that encouraged 
her to to go this route and said

2579
02:00:02,200 --> 02:00:07,040
with Stefan the that it it was a
good idea no matter the result. 

2580
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:09,640
When she's like, even after he 
got burned and the other dragon 

2581
02:00:09,640 --> 02:00:11,760
keepers burned and sea smoke ran
away, she's like, it was still 

2582
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:13,760
worth it. 
So I think, yeah, I think Mazar 

2583
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:17,400
Mazar was willing to let people 
die for the for the riot too. 

2584
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:20,880
Yeah, and and that's right, 
These are slippery slopes, you 

2585
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:23,400
know what I mean? 
When you start to justify things

2586
02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:28,000
that I, I This might be even 
isn't even the best analogy, but

2587
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:32,000
one might argue it was a good 
idea for Aegon to fly into 

2588
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:33,760
battle. 
Never what the result, never 

2589
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:37,440
mind the result. 
Yeah, it may be. 

2590
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:38,520
Maybe. 
Yeah, you're right. 

2591
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:40,920
It's it's these are very hard 
things to judge. 

2592
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:42,560
Yeah. 
Like it's civil war. 

2593
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:47,400
And that right, that by itself 
causes us, as we've said to you 

2594
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:53,920
have to reduce your ethical 
barrier like you're the the bar 

2595
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:57,800
for what's good and and 
acceptable changes when it's a 

2596
02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:00,400
life or death struggle. 
But of course it's not always 

2597
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:02,760
that simple and labeling it a 
life or death struggle in the 

2598
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:04,040
1st place. 
So but. 

2599
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:07,720
You know, like sometimes you 
could argue maybe in a time of 

2600
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:12,320
war, maybe different ethics 
apply, but you could also argue 

2601
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:14,720
in a time of war it's more 
important than effort to 

2602
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:16,840
maintain your ethic. 
You got to hold on to that. 

2603
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:18,760
Yeah, that's a good point. 
Yeah. 

2604
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,200
So let's talk about Silver Wing.
It's a little. 

2605
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:24,160
Can I talk about Alf real quick?
Absolutely talking about Alf 

2606
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:25,160
Real. 
Quick, Silver Wing. 

2607
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:28,000
I just want to say two things. 
He's probably drunk. 

2608
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:30,400
Right. 
He's always drunk. 

2609
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:34,120
He's at Dragonstone. 
I'm sure he's wine is available 

2610
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:34,640
to them. 
He. 

2611
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:37,200
Never gets to drink it. 
The 4th time I watched the 

2612
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:40,200
episode when they were when she 
was in the room giving the 

2613
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:42,440
speech, I was looking for 
refreshment. 

2614
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:43,680
Like where they served 
refreshment. 

2615
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:45,480
They probably were like, she's 
not going to have all those 

2616
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:47,920
people there and and not give 
them something to eat. 

2617
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:51,000
So yeah. 
Of course he's going to take 

2618
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:52,240
part of that. 
So he's drunk. 

2619
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:56,440
First of all, he doesn't want to
be the one to have to, you know,

2620
02:01:56,440 --> 02:01:58,440
tame Vermithor. 
So he's hanging back. 

2621
02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:00,400
We see lots of shots of him 
being scared and then he gets 

2622
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:02,400
knocked off as we saw. 
I just want to point out this 

2623
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:05,480
really funny character beat for 
him where he gets knocked off 

2624
02:02:05,480 --> 02:02:08,040
and he got comes to and he's 
like probably again, still 

2625
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:10,480
probably drunk and out of it and
discombobulated. 

2626
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:14,680
And he he is next to a torch and
he sees it in his peripheral and

2627
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:18,280
he just like jumps like huh. 
But he he thinks it suggests a 

2628
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:20,640
dragon flame or something. 
It's such a funny. 

2629
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:22,480
Little so funny. 
Small beat. 

2630
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:25,000
But like, I don't know, I just 
really loved it. 

2631
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:27,400
And it's, it's true because it 
also speaks to like the kind of 

2632
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:30,560
of terror and trauma that he's 
gone through. 

2633
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:33,800
And it's kind of interesting to 
me because what is it 

2634
02:02:33,800 --> 02:02:36,160
theoretically possible? 
I don't think they'll go there, 

2635
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:40,440
but I could see ulf or Hugh 
having like real trauma about 

2636
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:42,680
this experience that they just 
went through and being a little 

2637
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:45,480
scared of track and play. 
Ulf maybe not because he was 

2638
02:02:45,480 --> 02:02:47,160
drunk through the whole thing. 
He's like, I don't even remember

2639
02:02:47,160 --> 02:02:49,880
it very well, but Hugh, he was 
going to have nightmares. 

2640
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:52,760
But then yes ulf runs away and 
you can lead off there. 

2641
02:02:52,760 --> 02:02:54,720
But I just want to. 
It's underrated little moment 

2642
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:58,000
where he literally goes oh fuck.
He's his. 

2643
02:02:58,240 --> 02:03:00,560
This is another reason I like 
the character so much is I'm 

2644
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:04,520
always drawn to people to act 
that can pull off drunk acting 

2645
02:03:04,520 --> 02:03:06,000
really well. 
It's just one of my favorite 

2646
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:09,360
like genres of of of acting is 
drunk acting. 

2647
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:11,960
I don't know why I'm not even 
like a drinker myself. 

2648
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:14,680
I don't get it. 
So but his hand gestures too 

2649
02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:17,120
like they really like it's like 
Jack Sparrow. 

2650
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:18,960
His hands are just going in 
weird. 

2651
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:22,080
Like he's pointing a finger and 
he's just like doing all these 

2652
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:24,960
weird things with his hands. 
Like, like when he falls down in

2653
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:26,920
front of Silver Ring, he's got 
his hand like this. 

2654
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:29,800
It's just like, and even right 
here is he's just his fingers 

2655
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:31,840
are pointing out. 
They're just like, splayed in 

2656
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:34,400
unnatural ways. 
Like, it's it, it reads drunk to

2657
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:34,800
me. 
Yeah. 

2658
02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:38,040
Like his body isn't completely 
under control. 

2659
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:43,120
Which also brings us to Like the
Dragon writer connection. 

2660
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:45,720
And if he's drunk, his 
Silverwing feeling the 

2661
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:48,520
intoxication. 
And I think Silverwing looks a 

2662
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:54,960
little tipsy as she flies. 
And Alf isn't a like super 

2663
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,720
aggressive guy, you know? 
Which might be relevant because 

2664
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,160
Silverwing is one of the least 
aggressive Dragons in the book. 

2665
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:03,560
Silverwing kills nobody during 
the sewing, just like here. 

2666
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:08,680
So, you know, Vermithor's anger 
might reflect Joharis in some 

2667
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:11,360
ways, like Kieran Beau said, 
like his his desire to control 

2668
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:12,720
things. 
And, you know, even though he's 

2669
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:14,880
a benevolent, he's still, that's
still a thing. 

2670
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:16,360
You know, you get they can get 
angry about. 

2671
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:19,160
In Alison's case, yeah, 
definitely a woman of peace. 

2672
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:22,520
She endeavored to change laws 
and make things more equitable. 

2673
02:04:22,520 --> 02:04:25,520
For example, she got rid of 
First Night. 

2674
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:27,120
Well, she didn't get rid of it. 
She made it illegal. 

2675
02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:29,760
It's still, it's still happened 
in some places because some 

2676
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:32,360
people still do it now, like 
Roose Bolton says the Umbers 

2677
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:34,000
still do it. 
I mean, he basically did it 

2678
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:37,880
himself to make Ramsay. 
And First Night is really 

2679
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:41,160
relevant because it's where some
of these dragon seeds came from,

2680
02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:43,760
not the recent ones that were 
born in brothels. 

2681
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:48,120
But the whole concept of it, you
know, goes back quite a ways and

2682
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:52,360
includes Dragonstone. 
Alf doesn't panic, like we said 

2683
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:53,840
before he did. 
He just kind of gives into it. 

2684
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:58,360
He's like, like maybe the being 
drunk is part of it, but I love 

2685
02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:01,160
how much he was just stumbling 
around and then he just steps on

2686
02:05:01,160 --> 02:05:03,640
her eggs. 
Like it doesn't seem like he 

2687
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:06,200
actually damaged an egg because 
we've seen these sacks once or 

2688
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:08,720
twice before and it looks like 
he just broke the sack open and 

2689
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:11,800
didn't actually damage the egg. 
But how does the dragon know 

2690
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:13,080
that? 
How does he know that in the 

2691
02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:15,200
moment? 
For all he knows, he's like, 

2692
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:17,960
it's like Jurassic Park or one 
of those moments where you hear 

2693
02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:21,520
the dinosaur behind you. 
You know, you can't get away and

2694
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:24,000
you know, and and worse, he's 
just stepped on her eggs. 

2695
02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:26,520
Like what is? 
You have no hope here, man. 

2696
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:30,240
I can tell you a few theories 
here about Olf and Silver Ring. 

2697
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:33,600
One, he stepped in the egg 
sacking and now he smells like 

2698
02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:35,680
her eggs and so she thinks he's 
her baby. 

2699
02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:41,720
And that's how it happened. 
OK, 1-2 Alison was notably a 

2700
02:05:41,720 --> 02:05:44,440
public speaker. 
She was a talker. 

2701
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:47,360
Olf is a yapper. 
He is the gift of gab. 

2702
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:51,680
I love it. 
Senses that three Theoretically,

2703
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:54,880
Alison was a secret wino. 
She secretly liked to drink a 

2704
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:58,680
little bit and Silverman could 
smell the booze on ulf and was 

2705
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:01,400
was into that. 
Those are my my 3 theories. 

2706
02:06:01,400 --> 02:06:05,520
My favorite vintage even. 
And I shared it with Tom Bennett

2707
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,200
on on Twitter and he liked it 
along with some memes I had 

2708
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:11,720
shared. 
He, he is definitely living his 

2709
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:13,840
best life. 
Tom Bennett, him in the BTS, he 

2710
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:16,400
is just having such a good time 
on set and he's like the guy 

2711
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:19,320
that they can, they can count on
to like have a smile when the 

2712
02:06:19,320 --> 02:06:20,800
camera's on him and say 
something witty. 

2713
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:24,520
And yeah, he's, he's loving it. 
He's a he's a great, great cast 

2714
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:27,440
member. 
I wanted to say that Jurassic 

2715
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:30,640
Park for sure, but I also think 
this had a lot of alien vibe, 

2716
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:32,560
this whole. 
Especially. 

2717
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:36,560
The egg and the goop and that 
the monster coming over and. 

2718
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:39,720
Remember in season one, they 
brought that up when Damon took 

2719
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:41,680
the eggs out? 
They specifically said they were

2720
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:44,680
using that as the the model. 
And it's the sad that's 

2721
02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:46,520
obviously they they were just 
riffing on like they were 

2722
02:06:46,520 --> 02:06:48,840
continuing what Damon It's 
that's Damon scene. 

2723
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:51,760
It's set up that they're gooey 
sack filled, you know. 

2724
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:55,960
So yes, you're correct. 
That was the original intention 

2725
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:59,200
and it continued to resonate in 
this scene. 

2726
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:03,320
You don't have to agree with the
way they did all the dragon 

2727
02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:07,840
bonds, but I do love the choice 
to do them differently, to have 

2728
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:09,720
each one have a pretty 
significant vibe. 

2729
02:07:09,960 --> 02:07:11,560
Right. 
Ulp's vibe, even though it 

2730
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:14,760
happens like one cave over from 
Vermithor, was very different. 

2731
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:18,760
Even though there was darkness 
and Dragons and you know, the 

2732
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:21,920
fear and all that stuff. 
And sea smoke was extremely 

2733
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:24,720
different too. 
And we'll have to see what 

2734
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:29,800
happens with Reyna, who is our 
next potential dragon seeker. 

2735
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:31,800
Not a dragon siege, He's an 
actual Targaryen. 

2736
02:07:31,800 --> 02:07:35,280
So there is a difference here. 
Matt Hatter says, intrigued by 

2737
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:37,160
Reyna foreshadowing wild 
Dragons. 

2738
02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:42,280
Well, yeah, a, A scene that says
a lot without a single line of 

2739
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:44,680
dialogue. 
I didn't really realize that. 

2740
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:46,560
And it's like, oh, yeah, no one 
says anything in this whole 

2741
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:48,560
scene, do they? 
Now, there isn't much to be 

2742
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:50,320
seen. 
No one's even standing next to 

2743
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:52,440
each other. 
We have Lady Jane standing here 

2744
02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:54,640
looking like Maan Mothma. 
I totally love it. 

2745
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:57,280
But no one's actually standing 
near each other that just could 

2746
02:07:57,280 --> 02:07:59,720
have a conversation. 
Reyna's just like already like 

2747
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:04,160
working her way out of this 
crowd so she can run off and and

2748
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:06,160
as soon as the gates close, 
she's off. 

2749
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:09,520
You know, we were all predicting
this would be sheep Steeler. 

2750
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:11,560
She was turning around to look 
at and like Nope, it was just 

2751
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:13,560
the eerie. 
I wanted to point out we see 

2752
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:18,560
from behind in the episode this 
like cloak that this gold cloak 

2753
02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:21,640
that Jane Aaron is in. 
That's gorgeous. 

2754
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:26,120
And then like, we just see like 
the very top of her gown. 

2755
02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:29,720
They never give us a good look 
in the episode of this beautiful

2756
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:32,280
costume. 
They like sure, give us the 

2757
02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:35,200
rest. 
In the stills, they give it to 

2758
02:08:35,200 --> 02:08:37,080
us finally. 
And if you're like me and you 

2759
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:39,560
were like, give me the whole 
like, let me see this dress. 

2760
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:42,920
Here it is for you. 
I'm zooming in that is Aaron 

2761
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:44,360
we're about. 
To see in a second as it 

2762
02:08:44,360 --> 02:08:48,080
clarifies, it even has her sigil
up on the chest. 

2763
02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:49,600
She's serving Aaron Realness, 
right? 

2764
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:51,920
Yes. 
She is, She is. 

2765
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:55,240
That is, with the, with the two 
guards, with the very prominent 

2766
02:08:55,240 --> 02:08:57,000
Aaron Sigils there. 
Yeah, it's so cool. 

2767
02:08:57,040 --> 02:09:00,120
It's wild to do so much 
costuming work and have such a 

2768
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:03,280
beautiful gown and never give a 
shot in the episode. 

2769
02:09:03,720 --> 02:09:05,520
I guess they just kind of didn't
realize they did that. 

2770
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:08,000
Like, you're like, oh, whoops, 
we didn't show that, did we? 

2771
02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:11,200
I know it's amazing to have 
something like that and then to 

2772
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:16,960
barely show it, you know? 
So this subplot fits extremely 

2773
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:18,680
well with the overall episode 
theme. 

2774
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:22,200
A Targaryen isolated in the veil
and a dragon just shows up 

2775
02:09:22,200 --> 02:09:24,840
there. 
Like does this not seem ordained

2776
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:27,280
by the gods? 
Like like she's the only 

2777
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:31,120
Targaryen there and it's kind of
unheard of that a, that a dragon

2778
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:34,480
would even go there. 
Like that seems like the the 

2779
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:38,040
heavens are arranging things for
you And like, and since she's 

2780
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:40,920
the only Targaryen there who 
like, it has to be her. 

2781
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:42,440
Like who else can she imagine 
it's for? 

2782
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:44,120
So it's, it's the same line as 
before. 

2783
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:46,520
If the gods have called her to 
greater things, who is she to 

2784
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:48,560
gain say that which is laid 
before her? 

2785
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:52,680
It's not quite as clear because 
the dragon isn't like right 

2786
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:57,360
there but not too far away. 
And part of her wants it to be 

2787
02:09:57,360 --> 02:09:59,480
true, right? 
She wants to have a real part to

2788
02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:01,440
play in the war, as she said she
wants to. 

2789
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:04,520
She would love to have a dragon 
bigger than her sister, I think 

2790
02:10:04,520 --> 02:10:07,080
as well, you know, and bigger 
than a lot of other people's 

2791
02:10:07,080 --> 02:10:09,320
too. 
We don't know how big it is, but

2792
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,000
Bale's dragon is small. 
Jace's dragon is small. 

2793
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:13,720
It would definitely be bigger 
than those two at the very 

2794
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:15,880
least. 
Beyond that, don't know. 

2795
02:10:16,080 --> 02:10:18,040
I think she needs to be careful 
what she wishes for. 

2796
02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:20,080
Yeah, yeah. 
This doesn't have to go. 

2797
02:10:20,080 --> 02:10:21,800
Well, you're right. 
You're absolutely right to be 

2798
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:25,200
suspicious as to just she could,
this could be a tragic tale of 

2799
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:28,080
her trying too hard. 
You know, that would absolutely 

2800
02:10:28,080 --> 02:10:30,840
bit. 
It would not be pleasant, but 

2801
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:34,760
you could see it happening. 
You make me think of something 

2802
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,440
just considering that, you know,
this young, I'm, I don't know, 

2803
02:10:38,440 --> 02:10:42,520
relatively innocent girl who is 
charged with the care of these 

2804
02:10:42,520 --> 02:10:46,640
baby Dragons and baby humans and
is going off to safety. 

2805
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:49,760
But say she gets this dragon, 
what's she going to do? 

2806
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:53,440
People alive, right? 
Like, that's the thing. 

2807
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:56,120
And like, what kind of person 
does that change her into? 

2808
02:10:56,640 --> 02:10:59,520
And I'm thinking about the 
parallel that we see with 

2809
02:10:59,880 --> 02:11:03,200
Allison, who on some level, 
Kristen Cole is trying to 

2810
02:11:03,200 --> 02:11:06,080
protect her from having to make 
decisions about who lives and 

2811
02:11:06,080 --> 02:11:09,120
dies. 
And she's swimming in a pool, 

2812
02:11:09,120 --> 02:11:11,800
you know, trying to find some 
relief from the stress of her 

2813
02:11:11,800 --> 02:11:15,040
life. 
And then here's Renira sending 

2814
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:17,600
people to their burning deaths, 
right? 

2815
02:11:17,600 --> 02:11:19,880
Like, they're living very 
different lives now. 

2816
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:22,800
And I'm not sure which one I 
would rather be in. 

2817
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:25,960
One person has more control, but
one person has worse nightmares.

2818
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:28,040
It's water and fire instead of 
ice and fire. 

2819
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:35,440
Yeah, White gown versus black 
and red, Yeah, or air and 

2820
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:39,280
realness in this case. 
But well, another thing about 

2821
02:11:39,280 --> 02:11:44,520
Reyna is that she might have a 
little extra confidence because 

2822
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:49,320
she's apparently tried 
Silverwing, Vermithor, and Sea 

2823
02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:52,520
Smoke and none of them killed 
her, although apparently it was 

2824
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:54,360
it was close. 
Close, yeah. 

2825
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:58,400
So she has survived these 
before. 

2826
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:01,000
She has at least some reason to 
think, well, you know, I got 

2827
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:02,760
through it once I can, maybe I 
can survive this one. 

2828
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:04,640
Even though this is a wild 
dragon, a dragon, which means 

2829
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:08,520
it's never been ridden before. 
So it's not the hasn't been kept

2830
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:11,920
by the dragon keepers. 
Yeah, a lot more danger in a 

2831
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:13,800
dragon like this. 
No saddle. 

2832
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:16,120
But. 
Danny never had a saddle in. 

2833
02:12:16,240 --> 02:12:18,000
Game I didn't think of the no 
saddle yeah, but like. 

2834
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:20,040
Danny didn't have a saddle in 
her on Game of Thrones and she 

2835
02:12:20,040 --> 02:12:21,640
got around it, so you know it's 
true. 

2836
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:23,960
It can be it. 
Was able it. 

2837
02:12:23,960 --> 02:12:27,200
You can fly the dragon without a
saddle, but can you fight 

2838
02:12:27,200 --> 02:12:29,600
another dragon without a saddle?
Danny didn't do that. 

2839
02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:32,960
Yeah, well, she sort of did with
that was different. 

2840
02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:34,560
She wasn't flying her. 
They weren't flying around. 

2841
02:12:36,600 --> 02:12:42,080
One other thought on this scene 
here is I wonder quite how this 

2842
02:12:42,080 --> 02:12:43,960
plays out. 
I think the important thing is 

2843
02:12:43,960 --> 02:12:46,280
that she's going to settle on a 
dragon bomb with it, da da da 

2844
02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:48,280
da. 
But I just want to know how the 

2845
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:52,480
next 5 minutes go when the rest 
of the party realizes wait, 

2846
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:53,320
yeah. 
Where did it? 

2847
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:56,160
Go the Princess were supposed to
be protecting like do they start

2848
02:12:56,160 --> 02:12:58,080
a search party? 
They go back to the veil. 

2849
02:12:58,080 --> 02:13:01,000
Does Jane let them in like play 
out exactly? 

2850
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:02,800
I think they just go. 
I miss Bayla. 

2851
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:04,440
Yeah. 
Like, where's Bayla? 

2852
02:13:04,720 --> 02:13:05,680
Yeah. 
That's it. 

2853
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:08,200
I don't care. 
No one cares. 

2854
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:11,440
It's like Home Alone. 
No one notices Kevin McAllister 

2855
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:14,320
or whatever is is not with them.
They just don't even notice, no.

2856
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:15,640
One looking out for Rayna. 
Really. 

2857
02:13:15,640 --> 02:13:16,840
Wait, wasn't there another 
person here? 

2858
02:13:16,840 --> 02:13:21,080
Wasn't there an older Targaryen 
with wasn't there different 

2859
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:22,920
longer hair? 
You know, wasn't there a girl? 

2860
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:27,360
Like we had a girl here, right? 
Realistically, Rayna is also, 

2861
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:30,000
like, in charge enough that she 
could have just told the people,

2862
02:13:30,160 --> 02:13:32,600
I was told to do this other 
thing, go on ahead, and they 

2863
02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:34,840
would have to listen to her. 
I don't think that anyone would 

2864
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:38,000
would say Boo to her, right? 
Yeah, I don't think she did 

2865
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:39,440
that, but I think she could have
just said that. 

2866
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:43,800
He could have Yeah. 
OK, let's talk about the final 

2867
02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:46,880
scene, which takes place in a in
a few different places. 

2868
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:50,120
Really. 
In council starting iron rod 

2869
02:13:50,120 --> 02:13:53,520
tells Eamon that the Hightower 
army has been slowed down by the

2870
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:55,400
bees berries. 
Or if you talked about that 

2871
02:13:55,400 --> 02:13:58,600
already in the past episode, the
bees berries are upset because 

2872
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:01,880
Kristen Cole killed their Lord. 
Understandable. 

2873
02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:04,400
That's the kind of thing you you
revolt over, because this is 

2874
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:09,040
yeah, the the, the he kicked the
hive, but Tasare and has taken 

2875
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:14,080
wing, which is Daron's dragon. 
The Blue Queen is her nickname. 

2876
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:17,120
I think Eamon looked so 
displeased at that. 

2877
02:14:17,120 --> 02:14:19,200
Like he didn't look happy about.
It like they thought he was 

2878
02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:21,360
going to be pleased for some 
reason and he just is 

2879
02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:24,280
threatened. 
But he probably is pleased or at

2880
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:28,120
least understands the value of 
that after the scene, because 

2881
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:31,280
before the scene, he didn't know
what he was up against and he 

2882
02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:33,680
wouldn't maybe wouldn't be 
excited about having other 

2883
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:35,600
Dragons on his side. 
But after the scene and he 

2884
02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:38,800
discovers that, oh, actually the
blacks now have several more 

2885
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:42,080
Dragons, he might be glad of, of
Tassarian, his brother. 

2886
02:14:43,080 --> 02:14:45,560
But we'll see about that. 
Well, it's Eamon's reactions in 

2887
02:14:45,560 --> 02:14:47,480
general will be very interesting
to see about this. 

2888
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:52,040
And I, I do love that Tassarian 
has taken wing in the just as 

2889
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:53,720
the dragon seeds are being 
sowed. 

2890
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,760
And it's somewhat similar in the
book too now as they're talking 

2891
02:14:58,200 --> 02:15:02,080
as Iron Rod is giving the good 
news and saying, you know, this 

2892
02:15:02,080 --> 02:15:04,680
high tower army's going to be 
unstoppable with a dragon, you 

2893
02:15:04,680 --> 02:15:08,640
know, flying out in front of it 
and all that, which we'll see 

2894
02:15:08,640 --> 02:15:10,320
about that. 
But it's certainly a lot more 

2895
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:13,880
formidable, especially given you
can assume that the armies that 

2896
02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:17,040
the high tower army is facing do
not have Dragons of their own. 

2897
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:19,440
So. 
Cesarian is a small dragon 

2898
02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:22,600
right? 
Like smaller than faces even now

2899
02:15:22,720 --> 02:15:24,720
so. 
Well, maybe about the same size,

2900
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:26,440
roughly, maybe a little bigger, 
maybe a little smaller. 

2901
02:15:26,440 --> 02:15:27,280
It's not. 
It's not clear. 

2902
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:31,960
It like I don't, I don't want to
diminish it too much because 

2903
02:15:31,960 --> 02:15:33,880
they can still fly and breathe 
fire. 

2904
02:15:33,880 --> 02:15:36,560
So that's huge for the sake of 
like intelligence gathering, 

2905
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:40,120
just seeing how far away are the
troops and maybe an ambush at 

2906
02:15:40,120 --> 02:15:44,440
night or it's just the threat of
it is a significant multiplier 

2907
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:46,960
to the force of an army. 
But it's vulnerable, right? 

2908
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:50,160
It's not unstoppable like these 
other huge Dragons. 

2909
02:15:50,160 --> 02:15:51,720
It's. 
It's you're absolutely right. 

2910
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:55,040
Scales harden over time like 
Valerian. 

2911
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:57,600
Like an arrow would never Pierce
Valerian scales. 

2912
02:15:57,600 --> 02:16:00,400
An arrow would probably never 
piece Pierce Vegar's scales. 

2913
02:16:00,640 --> 02:16:04,200
The younger you get though, like
Meili's also probably pretty 

2914
02:16:04,200 --> 02:16:06,880
immune. 
But yeah, you get to those 

2915
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:10,120
younger Dragons, like you say. 
Yeah, their scales are not super

2916
02:16:10,120 --> 02:16:12,360
hard yet, and they could be 
pierced by arrows, bolts and 

2917
02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:15,000
other things. 
And not just the the Dragons 

2918
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:18,280
themselves, but the rider. 
A bigger dragon is more of a 

2919
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:21,200
shield for the rider on its 
back, but a smaller dragon is a 

2920
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:22,920
more vulnerable target. 
If the writer. 

2921
02:16:22,920 --> 02:16:25,480
Is a more vulnerable target too.
Absolutely true. 

2922
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:29,720
So as they're talking, this 
commotion occurs. 

2923
02:16:29,720 --> 02:16:32,240
They're kind of like trying to 
ignore it as Iron Rod is 

2924
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:36,320
finishing his relation of the 
news, but there's cries of 

2925
02:16:36,320 --> 02:16:38,440
dragon dragon and they're like 
uh oh. 

2926
02:16:38,440 --> 02:16:41,719
And Eamon goes and looks on the 
balcony and Laurice and Iron Rod

2927
02:16:41,719 --> 02:16:43,680
share a look like uh oh, is it 
sea smoke? 

2928
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:45,559
Did we screw up? 
Did we? 

2929
02:16:45,559 --> 02:16:47,799
Well, I don't know what they're 
thinking, but I'm sure that's 

2930
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:50,600
the what the look between them 
had something to do with that. 

2931
02:16:50,639 --> 02:16:52,959
I would also like to see the 5 
minutes after this scene like 

2932
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:54,959
Sean said, like what does Iron 
Rod and Laurie say? 

2933
02:16:54,959 --> 02:16:56,920
Eamon goes and rides off and we 
follow him. 

2934
02:16:57,080 --> 02:17:00,440
But Laurice and Eamon or Laurice
and Iron Rod could be like oh 

2935
02:17:00,440 --> 02:17:03,920
that's not sea smoke. 
That's what dragon is that they 

2936
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:06,320
might not have seen Silverwing. 
Silverwing hasn't flown, maybe 

2937
02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:10,600
even during their lifetimes, so 
it's entirely possible they've 

2938
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:12,719
never seen this dragon before 
and they but they would know 

2939
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:15,680
that it's not sea smoke if they 
got a good enough look at it. 

2940
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:18,520
Although I will point out, I 
think I said it earlier too, 

2941
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:22,120
that they're both kind of a 
blue, grey, silver dragon. 

2942
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:25,840
So I feel that if there were two
Dragons to get confused, it 

2943
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:28,120
would be these two, right? 
Oh yeah, yeah, I agree. 

2944
02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:30,400
Or maybe 2 red ones or something
like that. 

2945
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:32,120
Like Melees and Karaxis from a 
distance maybe. 

2946
02:17:32,120 --> 02:17:33,920
Yeah, maybe those. 
Sounds you see the neck, but 

2947
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:35,480
then you're like, oh. 
It depends. 

2948
02:17:35,480 --> 02:17:38,040
Like Lauris, I would expect to 
know the Dragons fairly well 

2949
02:17:38,040 --> 02:17:39,719
because it's intelligence, you 
know. 

2950
02:17:39,719 --> 02:17:43,200
But but you're not wrong that 
there could still be a mistake 

2951
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:47,080
here by yeah. 
He doesn't have good long 

2952
02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:48,600
distance vision. 
He doesn't wear glasses. 

2953
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:51,000
How strong is his eyesight? 
Yeah. 

2954
02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:54,400
So Eamon runs off to go get 
Vegar. 

2955
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:56,160
He's ready to fight. 
He's ready to go. 

2956
02:17:56,639 --> 02:17:57,879
It takes him a minute to get 
there, though. 

2957
02:17:57,879 --> 02:17:59,160
He's got a ride outside the 
city. 

2958
02:17:59,719 --> 02:18:03,840
And by the time he gets to Vegar
and gets her aloft, Silverwing's

2959
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:06,280
already headed back. 
So let's talk about this for a 

2960
02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:08,120
minute, because Silverwing 
flying over the city, this is 

2961
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:10,080
just fun, right? 
He's just like, Woo, you know, 

2962
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,280
It's flying around. 
He's like, hey, this is very 

2963
02:18:12,280 --> 02:18:15,080
relatable. 
Like if you get a dragon, your 

2964
02:18:15,080 --> 02:18:17,879
first day is probably what you 
do. 

2965
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,120
Just have just go out and take 
it for a spin like you would 

2966
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:21,400
your new car. 
Just have a great time. 

2967
02:18:21,400 --> 02:18:23,320
Here's some weird hand gestures 
again, by the way. 

2968
02:18:23,320 --> 02:18:24,680
Look at that. 
He's just so like, it's not. 

2969
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:28,520
He's like one finger is down. 
Like this isn't earth where this

2970
02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:31,440
he's this is hanging loose. 
Yeah, he's saying rock on, 

2971
02:18:31,440 --> 02:18:34,240
right. 
It's so funny. 

2972
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:37,760
I love this guy. 
So yeah, he's just having a good

2973
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:39,240
time. 
But you know, babe, hoping his 

2974
02:18:39,240 --> 02:18:41,920
friends see him maybe. 
You know, I don't think this was

2975
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:45,080
some plan, but Eamon doesn't 
know that. 

2976
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:47,760
Eamon probably Eamon's very 
suspicious. 

2977
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:50,799
He's a battle planner and might 
even look like what he did with 

2978
02:18:50,799 --> 02:18:55,600
Rooks Rest, like send a dragon 
out his bait, lure him and then 

2979
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:57,799
ambush him. 
And I think that's what's on his

2980
02:18:57,799 --> 02:19:02,040
mind, among other things, as he 
chases this dragon back to 

2981
02:19:02,040 --> 02:19:04,400
Dragonstone and says, OK, well, 
I don't know if I want to go any

2982
02:19:04,400 --> 02:19:06,520
farther. 
And then it's he probably sees 

2983
02:19:06,520 --> 02:19:09,320
those other Dragons there and 
he's like, OK, I'm definitely 

2984
02:19:09,320 --> 02:19:12,360
not going now. 
This is the funniest scene to 

2985
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:15,440
me, by the way. 
Like the very concept of it. 

2986
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:21,719
You know, the idea that say, OLF
has no idea how badly he just 

2987
02:19:21,719 --> 02:19:26,760
taunted, how badly he just 
taunted Amon and pissed him off 

2988
02:19:26,760 --> 02:19:27,959
right there. 
He's just clueless. 

2989
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:31,160
I kind of don't. 
I wonder if OLF even conceives 

2990
02:19:31,160 --> 02:19:34,160
like, perceives of the fact that
he was chased away. 

2991
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:35,719
Like, did he even see Veigar 
behind him? 

2992
02:19:35,719 --> 02:19:39,760
I don't know, right? 
And like Amon is like so mad 

2993
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:43,120
right here and Olf is just 
having the time of his life. 

2994
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:46,639
I love it. 
I love love it so much. 

2995
02:19:46,760 --> 02:19:50,600
And I I, I do wonder, do you 
think he sees more than two? 

2996
02:19:50,600 --> 02:19:53,080
No. 
Do you think Amon sees more than

2997
02:19:53,240 --> 02:19:55,120
than Silverwing? 
Yeah, that's why he turns 

2998
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:56,080
around. 
Yeah, yeah. 

2999
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,680
I I disagree. 
I don't think so and for a 

3000
02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:01,920
couple reasons. 
I I thought he did it first but 

3001
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:05,760
just watching it back I could 
not see another dragon at all. 

3002
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:11,040
It's far away and and I'm like 
pausing the screen and slow 

3003
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:12,320
fast. 
He he said he could. 

3004
02:20:12,320 --> 02:20:14,280
See in the. 
BTS they say he can see it. 

3005
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:16,280
Yeah, OK. 
I agree with you. 

3006
02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:17,880
You. 
You can't tell that he sees it, 

3007
02:20:17,880 --> 02:20:19,440
but he does. 
That's why he backs off. 

3008
02:20:19,440 --> 02:20:22,320
Yeah. 
Even if he couldn't though, I 

3009
02:20:22,320 --> 02:20:24,160
still can see why he would turn 
away. 

3010
02:20:24,360 --> 02:20:25,720
There's a number of reasons, in 
fact. 

3011
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:28,640
One, King's Landing has 
scorpions. 

3012
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:30,240
Do you think Dragonstone 
doesn't? 

3013
02:20:30,760 --> 02:20:34,440
And how Vegar successfully took 
out two other Dragons was 

3014
02:20:34,440 --> 02:20:36,840
popping up behind a Cliff. 
Well, the whole island is a 

3015
02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:38,760
Cliff. 
Like, this could easily be a 

3016
02:20:38,760 --> 02:20:43,320
trap in a million different 
ways, including just a 

3017
02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:44,880
distraction to get away from 
King's Landing. 

3018
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:45,920
And there's another dragon there
now. 

3019
02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:48,960
Like he's, there's a million 
reasons he's got to go back and 

3020
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:52,600
regroup and get more information
and not just thrust himself into

3021
02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:55,520
what could be a trap or, or be 
running away from what could be 

3022
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:57,080
a trap. 
And he's just got all this new 

3023
02:20:57,080 --> 02:20:58,760
information. 
He's like, whoa, this whole our 

3024
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:00,640
whole war strategy maybe has to 
change now. 

3025
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:02,320
Like, yeah, he needs to tell his
counsel. 

3026
02:21:02,320 --> 02:21:05,040
Even though that's maybe not the
way he acts, he's still, it's 

3027
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:07,120
still a a consideration, you 
know? 

3028
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:11,080
I, I also, I don't know if OLF 
necessarily even decided to go 

3029
02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:13,840
to King's Landing. 
So he might have just done that.

3030
02:21:13,880 --> 02:21:17,800
Or maybe so when we did it 
because OLF, so we could feel 

3031
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:19,840
that OLF wanted that. 
Maybe, yeah, I think that you're

3032
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:21,000
right. 
I think there's no, I don't 

3033
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:23,880
think OLF was able to tell 
Silverwing what to do or where 

3034
02:21:23,880 --> 02:21:26,520
to go at all. 
And they just have that Bond 

3035
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:29,400
knew where he was from, and 
Silver Wing has been there and 

3036
02:21:29,400 --> 02:21:30,480
knows it. 
Yeah. 

3037
02:21:30,600 --> 02:21:33,680
I I thought at 1st that it might
have been a plan that Ranira 

3038
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:37,920
might have said are you fly 
there, lure him back wolf fly. 

3039
02:21:38,520 --> 02:21:42,440
But I noticed that Ranira still 
had soot on her face and the 

3040
02:21:42,440 --> 02:21:45,480
same dress that she was wearing 
and all still has he's 

3041
02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:47,760
disheveled with soot. 
So I think this is just. 

3042
02:21:48,160 --> 02:21:50,120
Right after. 
Yeah, totally agree. 

3043
02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:52,800
Maybe an hour or two or 
something, but not long enough 

3044
02:21:52,800 --> 02:21:56,760
that they met up and formed a 
plan and he took off and I don't

3045
02:21:56,760 --> 02:21:59,440
think he has any control. 
This is those proverbial 5 

3046
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:01,160
minutes after Yeah for that 
scene you. 

3047
02:22:01,440 --> 02:22:04,720
Know I don't think she's spoken 
to Olf Olf has spoken to no one 

3048
02:22:04,760 --> 02:22:06,960
since he's he's bonded with the.
Good point. 

3049
02:22:06,960 --> 02:22:08,760
Yeah, OLF has just been flying 
around ever since he claimed 

3050
02:22:08,760 --> 02:22:10,920
Silverwing, and now he's gonna 
land there and now they're gonna

3051
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:13,400
have a conversation. 
No one has told OLF that you're 

3052
02:22:13,400 --> 02:22:17,560
not supposed to land on 
Dragonstone itself and like. 

3053
02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:20,760
The Fuse Blackstone is stronger.
It's stronger. 

3054
02:22:21,480 --> 02:22:26,320
Here's here's one other thing 
Olf might have, you know, not 

3055
02:22:26,320 --> 02:22:28,640
that he, again, I don't even 
think he had much control over 

3056
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:30,640
it, but he might have made 
things a little bit worse 

3057
02:22:30,680 --> 02:22:32,800
because they've lost some 
surprise values. 

3058
02:22:32,880 --> 02:22:35,360
Yeah. 
The idea that they would send a 

3059
02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:38,320
dragon in to Laura Vegaar away 
and other Dragons come behind or

3060
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:40,320
something like that. 
Well, now they can't do that. 

3061
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:43,280
Aymond is aware. 
Of this they're on notice, 

3062
02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:45,200
right? 
They know they've lost their 

3063
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:47,440
huge edge. 
They're like, oh God, we had the

3064
02:22:47,480 --> 02:22:48,560
edge. 
Now we we don't. 

3065
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:52,720
So what do we do? 
And that's a big thing that, you

3066
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:57,360
know, is presumably something 
that will come up in episode 8 

3067
02:22:57,640 --> 02:23:00,400
and and probably going into 
season three as well. 

3068
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:02,720
I doubt it'll all be resolved in
one episode, right. 

3069
02:23:04,040 --> 02:23:08,720
And the, the episode ends with 
them kind of facing down, you 

3070
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:11,680
know, like Rainiera can 
recognize what dragon that is 

3071
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:13,120
probably. 
It's pretty easy to tell. 

3072
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:15,400
Like, what other big old dragon 
could that be? 

3073
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:17,720
Almost certainly Vegar with the 
holes in its wings. 

3074
02:23:17,720 --> 02:23:19,040
Like, yeah. 
She could think it was 

3075
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:21,360
Vermithor, but she has Vermithor
with her, you know? 

3076
02:23:21,440 --> 02:23:24,240
She's like, that's right behind 
me and the Dragons are roaring. 

3077
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:27,240
It's like a big dragon chorus, 
big dragon song. 

3078
02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:28,560
They're they're not really 
harmonizing. 

3079
02:23:28,640 --> 02:23:33,240
I, I, I I would criticize the 
tuning of their knob scare this 

3080
02:23:33,240 --> 02:23:34,520
track. 
They need, they need a little 

3081
02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:35,920
work together a little more. 
Huh. 

3082
02:23:35,960 --> 02:23:38,280
And that's a book quote, right? 
Yes, the Dragons roared 

3083
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:40,440
together. 
All the Dragons roared as one. 

3084
02:23:40,440 --> 02:23:41,480
Yeah, all the Dragons roared as 
one. 

3085
02:23:41,480 --> 02:23:43,280
That's right. 
Yeah, quote. 

3086
02:23:43,400 --> 02:23:44,680
And the episode started that 
way, right? 

3087
02:23:44,760 --> 02:23:47,280
Yeah, it started with Cyrax 
roaring and ends with Cyrax 

3088
02:23:47,360 --> 02:23:48,880
roaring and two. 
So yeah, A. 

3089
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:52,600
Little book ending there. 
Which is funny, but also we 

3090
02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:54,440
don't see sea smoke in this 
shot. 

3091
02:23:54,440 --> 02:23:57,440
So we see the gold, the bronze 
and the silver. 

3092
02:23:57,440 --> 02:23:59,880
Yeah, those are the three 
Dragons that are on display. 

3093
02:23:59,880 --> 02:24:01,320
They're in reverse order of 
size. 

3094
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:03,680
The bronze Dragon's the biggest 
one, the silver is the medium 

3095
02:24:03,680 --> 02:24:05,000
one. 
And the gold is the small. 

3096
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:08,080
That's funny right? 
But also I saw a really funny 

3097
02:24:08,080 --> 02:24:10,840
meme that was like this is 
basically the Dragons yelling 

3098
02:24:10,840 --> 02:24:14,160
slurs at Veigar. 
Yeah, you're bitch grandma. 

3099
02:24:14,760 --> 02:24:16,280
Yeah, it's. 
Now my nose on you. 

3100
02:24:16,320 --> 02:24:18,920
Yeah. 
I will talk to you a second 

3101
02:24:18,920 --> 02:24:21,400
time. 
I can't see this image and not 

3102
02:24:21,400 --> 02:24:24,840
just be really really amused. 
The idea of Cyrax yelling. 

3103
02:24:25,720 --> 02:24:28,080
Speaking of that, Speaking of 
Dragons talking, that was 

3104
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,040
definitely a joke that popped in
my mind. 

3105
02:24:30,040 --> 02:24:33,480
When Rainier says it must be the
dragon who speaks. 

3106
02:24:33,480 --> 02:24:35,160
It's like, well, hey, I'm 
Vermithor. 

3107
02:24:35,160 --> 02:24:36,600
Thanks for the introduction 
there, Rainier. 

3108
02:24:36,600 --> 02:24:41,680
Now, what I want to get into is 
eating about 75% of y'all, and I

3109
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:43,840
like my meat cooked, so get 
ready. 

3110
02:24:43,880 --> 02:24:45,960
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

3111
02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:48,520
Which dragon would have the 
French accent there from Monty 

3112
02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:51,640
Python? 
Would it be Silver Wing? 

3113
02:24:52,320 --> 02:24:55,920
That's it, I. 
Don't know what it sounds like 

3114
02:24:57,640 --> 02:25:01,280
it it comes from George's 
favorite on screen dragon that 

3115
02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:03,640
wasn't made by him. 
It's he made a he, he loves the 

3116
02:25:03,640 --> 02:25:07,200
dragon Vermithrax pejorative 
from the movie Dragon Slayer in 

3117
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:10,360
the early 80s. 
So we're pretty sure Vermithrax 

3118
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:14,240
is he borrowed that name and 
chopped it in two and made 

3119
02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:18,160
Vermithor and Vermax, which is, 
you know, Jace's dragon. 

3120
02:25:18,360 --> 02:25:20,400
He liked, he loves the dragon so
much he made two of them. 

3121
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:26,040
We've gone over what we expect a
lot of the reactions to be, or 

3122
02:25:26,040 --> 02:25:28,680
at least we've asked the 
question, what will the reaction

3123
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:32,600
be to characters like Kat and 
ulf's friends and Eamond? 

3124
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:36,520
And we're wondering about Reyna,
and we're wondering about 

3125
02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:39,560
Corliss, Adam, and Allen and 
whether their connection will be

3126
02:25:39,560 --> 02:25:41,000
revealed or when it will be 
revealed. 

3127
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:43,320
It seems like it's unlikely to 
be concealed forever, but you 

3128
02:25:43,320 --> 02:25:45,600
never know, I guess. 
But I also want to know about 

3129
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:48,240
the dragon keepers and how 
they'll react to seeing these 

3130
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,600
these characters on these 
Dragons that to them are so 

3131
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,560
sacred, and whether this rift 
with Rainier could get larger. 

3132
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:57,600
If you have questions for this 
episode or for the season in 

3133
02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:01,160
general, as always, send them to
us and we may answer them live. 

3134
02:26:01,320 --> 02:26:03,600
Thanks to everyone for 
supporting us. 

3135
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:05,360
Thanks to everyone who listened 
and watched. 

3136
02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:08,640
Sean, you had another take. 
There's dragon keepers of King's

3137
02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:10,120
Landing, too. 
You're right. 

3138
02:26:10,120 --> 02:26:11,840
I wonder. 
How they will feel about this? 

3139
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:14,040
Well, Eamon, try to find more 
dragon riders. 

3140
02:26:14,040 --> 02:26:17,000
Are there any Dragons or dragon 
eggs at King's Landing that 

3141
02:26:17,000 --> 02:26:18,120
don't have riders? 
I don't. 

3142
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:19,280
I don't think there are. 
Are there? 

3143
02:26:19,400 --> 02:26:21,760
There's a dragon in King's 
Landing that has a rider. 

3144
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,880
She when all when they departed 
from Drift mark, all three of 

3145
02:26:25,160 --> 02:26:27,440
Aegon, Aymond and Helena were on
their Dragons. 

3146
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:31,000
Yeah, you can only see her 
silhouette flying away. 

3147
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:32,520
It's not a close up. 
It's pretty weird. 

3148
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:35,440
But technically we have seen her
on it. 

3149
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:38,000
But just just so we know that 
it's it happened, you know, just

3150
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:39,960
so we know that it won't be the 
first time like it. 

3151
02:26:39,960 --> 02:26:41,320
She has ridden her dragon 
before. 

3152
02:26:41,560 --> 02:26:44,000
But yeah, it's it's, it's rare 
on the show. 

3153
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:49,000
What I'm really asking though, 
is it this isn't something that 

3154
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:51,480
Eamon can follow suit with? 
Like, oh, find my own dragon 

3155
02:26:51,480 --> 02:26:53,240
writers for all the wild 
Dragon's a key. 

3156
02:26:53,240 --> 02:26:54,880
Oh shoot, we don't have that 
option. 

3157
02:26:55,080 --> 02:26:56,640
Yeah, you're right. 
They don't have like the big 

3158
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:58,960
stash of eggs and yeah, they do 
have the dragon pit. 

3159
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:01,240
But you're right, there's as far
unless the show has changed 

3160
02:27:01,240 --> 02:27:03,280
something, we don't we're not 
aware of anything from the books

3161
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:05,440
other than what Ashaya said 
about Dreamfire being there, 

3162
02:27:05,440 --> 02:27:10,200
which is a significantly sized 
dragon and could matter, but 

3163
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:13,760
maybe won't, maybe won't. 
So and of course the sorry and 

3164
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:19,280
we mentioned and yeah, there's 
maybe more Dragons out there, 

3165
02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:22,600
we'll have to see, but there's 
quite a bit of dragon action 

3166
02:27:22,600 --> 02:27:23,640
going on. 
I'm pretty sure this. 

3167
02:27:23,640 --> 02:27:26,760
Was the most wild Dragons. 
They're just not necessarily 

3168
02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:29,680
easily accessible to Amon. 
Yeah, and of course with the 

3169
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:32,120
show, you don't know whether 
they'll want to abuse budget on 

3170
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:33,760
them or not. 
You know, that's always a thing 

3171
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:36,440
that's they're very expensive. 
So we'll just have to wait and 

3172
02:27:36,440 --> 02:27:38,840
see. 
But I do think this was probably

3173
02:27:38,840 --> 02:27:43,360
the episode with the most dragon
screen time so far, like 

3174
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:46,440
Rooksrest had perhaps the most 
exciting dragon action. 

3175
02:27:46,560 --> 02:27:49,040
That's that's debatable. 
Certainly Dragons fighting each 

3176
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:51,400
other is a very rare thing. 
They didn't do that here. 

3177
02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:57,040
But just the number of Dragons, 
Cyrax, Vermithor, Sea Smoke, 

3178
02:27:57,160 --> 02:28:01,120
Vergar, and I'm missing 1 
Silverwing. 

3179
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:04,120
We've rarely had this much 
action for that many Dragons. 

3180
02:28:04,120 --> 02:28:06,680
I didn't count the screen time, 
but I think that's something and

3181
02:28:06,680 --> 02:28:08,080
and I hope we get a lot more of 
that. 

3182
02:28:08,280 --> 02:28:10,960
As expensive as it is, we 
certainly want as much as we can

3183
02:28:10,960 --> 02:28:14,080
get. 
All right, thanks, everybody. 

3184
02:28:14,480 --> 02:28:18,280
Thanks, Ashea and Sean, as 
always, thanks Joey, Jesse and 

3185
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:21,120
Bran for the music and intro for
our show. 

3186
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:23,800
And thanks Michael Klarfeld for 
the maps. 

3187
02:28:24,040 --> 02:28:28,080
You can check out Michael's work
at KLARADO x.de. 

3188
02:28:28,200 --> 02:28:32,800
That's Clare dox.de and until 
next time, we will see you later

3189
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:35,640
and Valar Riridis.