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Music. 
Just as Sir Duncan and those he 

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stood for deserve justice, so 
did the climax of this all time 

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great short story, and the 
consensus is pretty overwhelming

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that the trial of Seven and the 
tragedy therein did indeed 

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receive justice on screen. 
Put more simply, we knew it was 

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coming, but it still hit so 
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It was. 
They did such a great job with 

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it. 
It's it's a joy, despite all the

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sadness, How emotional it is to 
have something so legendary 

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enshrined this way in our 
fandom, permanently or semi 

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permanently. 
Again, It's just done such a 

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great job of keeping to the 
novel, which is done so well in 

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the 1st place, and that's a 
recipe for success. 

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Lines like this. 
A tall knight stood above him in

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black armor, dented and scarred 
by many blows. 

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Prince Bailor, the scarlet 
dragon on his helm had lost a 

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head, both wings, and most of 
its tail. 

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Your Grace, Dunk said. 
I am your man. 

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Please, your man, my man. 
Black Knight put a hand on 

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Raymond's shoulder to steady 
himself. 

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I need good man, Sir Duncan the 
realm. 

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His voice sounded oddly slurred.
Perhaps he bit his tongue. 

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Yeah, it's works so well as a 
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screen or vice versa. 
What we see on screen work so 

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well as companion to what we 
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They can they can work as the 
inner thoughts of these 

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characters as those moments are 
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So we've got a lot to talk 
about, so let's do that all that

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more on this episode of History 
of Westeros podcast. 

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Hello and welcome back 
everybody. 

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Episode 5 is in the books and 
people are already talking about

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it as if it's one of the best 
episodes of a Game of Thrones 

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show of all time. 
I can see why we were hoping it 

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would play out this way. 
I couldn't have actually 

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predicted it would have gone 
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So expectations have been 
exceeded, I'd say, and that's a 

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great thing. 
You can catch our last two 

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breakdowns at 6:00 on Monday, 
just like these other ones are 

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Episode 6 breakdown. 
And then we'll have a season a 

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wrap up type episode. 
We of course still have our 

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review episodes on 5:30 or at 
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We've got one more of those. 
So catch us this Friday for a 

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review preview stream of the 
upcoming final episode. 

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And then after that, stay tuned 
for a game of Dunkin Egg on 

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Twitch over at twitch.tv/history
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Sean, are you drinking some sort
of mournful beverage today or 

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some sort of violent beverage 
today? 

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You know, I did put AV8 juice 
into here, but still with the 

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green Magic Mind and also a Baja
Blast Mountain Dew. 

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So the red and green is giving 
it more of a the Reds coming 

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through, but it's kind of 
brownish. 

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That is pretty. 
Violent. 

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Much tastier than what was ever 
at Alistair's wine bag that. 

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Was a sour hell there. 
Yeah, good. 

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Point the Queen's Witch's brew. 
That's right, that's right. 

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And you got red and green. 
You got the Fossaways clamoring 

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together in your club there. 
If you have questions or 

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comments, hit us up live here in
the stream or emails at 

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westeroshistory@gmail.com or on 
any of the other social media 

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platforms. 
We're pretty much everywhere. 

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We've got a trivia question for 
you today. 

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We'll give you the answer at the
end to this question. 

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Against which foe did Baylor 
earn the nickname Break Spear? 

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I will give you the answer at 
the end along with the context. 

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We also have a poll. 
This is a very violent poll. 

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Speaking of violence, which 
injury of dunks did you feel the

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most like? 
Which one did he make you cringe

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or shudder the most like? 
And there's actually more than I

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could we could fit here because 
there's more than four. 

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We're pretty nasty. 
But I've tried to pick the four 

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that I thought were appropriate.
The Lance in the side to start 

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it off. 
Then the Morning Star directly 

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to the face that knocked him off
his horse. 

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Then we have the knife through 
the hand that he had to pull 

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out. 
I'm gonna go ahead and say 

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that's mine. 
And then the double stab in the 

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thigh, like he stabbed him, 
twisted it, pulled it out and 

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then stabbed him in the same 
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A man that's painful. 
Yeah, they're like I said, 

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there's others. 
There's the whole, he throws his

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knife into his leg and then 
pulls it out and tries to hit 

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him in the eye with it. 
And he almost kind of, yeah, 

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kind of almost does. 
Anyway, There's, there's lots. 

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It's very brutal. 
But it was supposed to be, you 

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know, it was supposed to be 
gritty like that. 

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So, yeah, we'll get into the 
details here. 

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Corn Emperor into super chat 
support for my favorite 

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Westerosi. 
Well, thank you. 

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And we've enjoyed having you all
with us all season long. 

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It's been, as I said in the 
intro, better than we could have

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hoped for. 
I'm I'm very pleased and I know 

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a lot of you are as well. 
This was the second longest 

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episode of the season. 
Maybe wouldn't have predicted it

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that way, given the action 
episodes often have less time 

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because it's just so much to 
every second of action is more 

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production and training and 
effort than it is for the other 

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ones. 
Not that the other stuff isn't 

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hard, but this stuff's on 
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Let's start with our favorite 
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Let's get to that. 
We can all pretty much I mean, 

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we kind of talked about this 
ahead of time, Peter Claffy just

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like we're he's was the best in 
this one. 

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This was amazing performance by 
him. 

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He has been on great all season 
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So we decided to just pick our 
second favorite and we all kind 

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of just acknowledging that we 
would all pick him, but we're 

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going to pick our second 
favorites while acknowledging 

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that that Peter was the best. 
So, Sean? 

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You are. 
I am OK. 

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I don't. 
I don't have to speak for 

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everybody. 
We're just saying his. 

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We'll just say we all agree that
his performance was absolutely 

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outstanding and noteworthy. 
Maybe not 100% favorite for 

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everybody though. 
Sean, take it away. 

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I'd say egg, I think that, you 
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times someone's performance, 
it's not just them, right. 

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There's the context and the 
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stuff. 
But he seemed so he did so well 

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that two real outstanding 
moments when Dunk tells him, you

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know, don't, don't rob me or 
I'll hunt you down. 

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He responds with a wolf, you 
know, and it was a good captured

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this sort of gravity about 
what's to happen. 

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But Dunk is still trying to, you
know, be light with him, you 

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know, and it kind of gets it, 
but still it kind of knows, man.

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This is, you know, I'm trying to
play along with his little jest 

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here, but this is scary, you 
know? 

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And, and he looks so small, all 
these huge men with huge armor 

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on huge horses and his scrawny 
little boy. 

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But still, I don't know, he's 
integral to the whole thing. 

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And then later on when, you 
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Aryan's like, all right, call 
it, that's it. 

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And Egg's like, wait, that blood
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Those are both really 
outstanding moments to me. 

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Yeah, I agree, Sean. 
He was really excellent. 

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His his range was really good 
too, that way. 

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It was really something he 
really did. 

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Yeah. 
He kind of like LED us in our 

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like we were him cheering and 
rooting for Dunk there, you 

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know, like he was our avatar, as
if we were all there with him. 

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Sherry, what about you? 
I just want to say Peter 

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Claffey, I think he deserves it.
I want to give him his applause 

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like in my section here, which 
is that he showed the 

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desperation, the the rage, his 
body language. 

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Like the way he kind of Lombard 
about when he describes later, 

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he's like 1 moment I felt like I
was drunk, another moment I felt

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like I was dying. 
He looked like that, like the 

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way he held himself. 
It was just it was just so well 

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done. 
But my other answer is the other

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dunk Bamber Todd, who I also 
thought was really, really 

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phenomenal. 
I think he had this this 

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sweetness and vulnerability and 
this wide eyed quality that 

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really, really captivated me and
made me think of egg made me 

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think of Duncan eggs 
relationship. 

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And yeah, I I just thought it 
was really beautifully done with

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very little dialogue really. 
So giving it to both dunks. 

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Double dunk. 
Can't argue with that myself. 

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Yeah, certainly. 
As far as my favorite dunk 

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moment, I guess I could say the 
grief at the end, like favorite,

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it's hard to call it that. 
He just did such a good job. 

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It was just so heart rending and
it's such an important moment. 

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But as far as my supporting cast
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suggested Baylor on the notes 
here in case someone else picked

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him first. 
But I'm gonna go ahead and say 

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Aryan, just his exhaustion and 
just how much he had to put into

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that. 
I imagined, like I said a minute

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ago, the effort to train and and
do all that. 

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I I wrote in the notes that I 
don't think they had to act 

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quite as much when they were 
trying to pretend they were 

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exhausted. 
I bet they actually were 

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exhausted, you know? 
So that's one thing they didn't 

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have to fake so much. 
The rest is just pure acting. 

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But like, there's no way they 
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doing all that over and over 
'cause, you know, they had to do

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it repeatedly. 
That's how these things work. 

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Yeah. 
So let's talk about favorite 

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scene or part of a scene and 
interpret that how you will. 

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Sean, go for it. 
I want to give a general my my 

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my first instinct is the 
appreciation of the shots to the

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visor. 
I thought that was a key part of

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the presentation in the book is 
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And it was neat to see it here. 
Like, you know, not just that or

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not so much the outside shots of
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his visor where the screen is, 
you know, 3/4 blocked out to us 

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and we're just seeing this 
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And he did a good job with the 
audio, making it sound kind of 

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muffled and distant from the 
rest of the world. 

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And, you know, I want to stay 
generally positive, but I was, 

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you know, connected to that. 
I really like how even the mud, 

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when he hits the ground, mud 
gets up into the visor in his 

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face way that was captured on 
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I was a little disappointed when
he cut to the next scene and I 

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was no mud in his helmet. 
Where did it go? 

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Like even if he tried to wipe it
off with his metal head with I 

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don't know well. 
The next scene shows the mud 

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coming out like they do Address 
that. 

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Yeah, but I, you know, I'm 
nitpicking a little bit and, you

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know, this is the action he's 
seen, which I attended nitpack. 

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And even if I am nitpicking at 
it, overall, it it was really 

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well done. 
But I, I as much as I appreciate

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all that, there is one other 
scene that you've flickered up 

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or moments a quick image and 
gets up and yells and he holds 

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himself to his feet and at the 
last second of that, that 

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imagery, if he's barely able to 
stand, but right, he's his 

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sword. 
That was so outstanding. 

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I thought that, yes, right 
there. 

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And Aryan's like, sigh, like, 
oh, I got to keep the dog gone. 

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Haven't I done enough for it? 
This guy's too big. 

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I can't stop him. 
Like it was a great image and a 

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great moment. 
Well said. 

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Well said. 
You know, Shay, you had that 

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Morning Star flashing through 
his visor. 

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It didn't occur to me until just
now how much that's like the 

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shooting star overhead as he's 
lying on the ground looking up. 

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And George sort of wrote it like
that in the novel. 

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But yeah, I didn't really think 
about it till now. 

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What about you, Sherry? 
What is your favorite scene, 

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slash, subplot or etcetera? 
However you want to do it? 

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Mine was the sequence with Dung 
following Arlen is what I'm 

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going to say. 
And I also completely agree with

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you, Sean, that all of the the 
film work showing it from inside

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Dung's helm like helped you like
feel so kind of claustrophobic 

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and overwhelmed and all of these
things, right. 

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But I think they did that as 
well in the flashbacks with 

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framing. 
Like you see, like Arlen, the 

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way he looked when he sees Dunk 
through the window, you know, 

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like you're seeing it from his 
POV of Dunk biting Alistair's 

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neck, you know, And then he 
comes out and in the name of the

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mother, unhand that boy, which 
is really very much like when 

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Dunk is putting on the persona 
of knighthood and he's like, 

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stop raping Sarah. 
That's very much what Arlen just

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did. 
Exactly there on hands, you 

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know, stop accosting that boy. 
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because you see Dunk looking 
through the bars right of of his

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his room, which is very cell 
like, you know, in a way. 

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And so I thought that was 
beautifully filmed, but then 

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just the whole long sequence 
that's just kind of narrated by 

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Arlen's Dothraki morning song, 
where you see young Dunk 

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following him and the music, and
there's so much meaning behind. 

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Like him looking at Roger's helm
between like seeing them leave 

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King's Landing when he was 
scared to leave King's Landing 

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before he was reticent to do so.
But he just follows after Arlen.

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I don't know. 
I thought it was really 

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beautiful and moving. 
And it, it just, it made me 

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really sad for Dunk that, that 
he's in this this desperate 

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state. 
He almost dies, you know, just 

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following him and he's not 
willing to kind of show himself 

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to him, right. 
And so, I don't know, I found it

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so beautiful, so beautiful. 
In that moment when Dunk was 

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kind of envisioning himself, you
know, stop raping, Sir. 

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That was, if I remember right, 
at that moment, he was like, oh,

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maybe I could be a gold cloak. 
How ironic that the gold cloak 

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was such an awful person and 
then yet Dunk maybe is inspired 

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to be a better person, you know?
Right on. 

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Yeah, I really love that stuff 
too, Cher. 

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I'll have my thoughts on it 
later. 

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I have a few other pieces of 
context to fill in and some 

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other notes, but my favorite was
a very, very small character 

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note that they added that wasn't
in the book. 

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Or maybe it was in the book, but
it was more implied and this 

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they brought it out and that's 
Makar's desperation. 

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And that's just him yelling out 
Aryan when he when Aryan is 

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actually injured, because 
Aryan's either either breaking 

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even or winning throughout most 
of the early part of the fight. 

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And then Dunk starts to come 
back and he gets in that nasty 

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cut into his groin or upper 
thigh, whatever. 

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And Aryan screams out and, and 
Makar is trying to get to him 

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and he's yelling my boy, my boy.
And that puts a lot more context

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into him later, forgetting, not 
remembering the blow that killed

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his brother and 'cause he's just
desperate and trying to get to 

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his son and not thinking about 
anything else. 

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And it's like, it kind of 
reminds me of Cersei. 

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Now, Makar is no Cersei, but 
when Joffrey dies and Cersei is 

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holding him in her arms and 
she's she's crying and 

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screaming, my boy, it's like, 
well, even as awful as Cersei 

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is, you can still kind of feel 
for her there. 

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And that's and, and Joffrey's 
Joffrey was still a mother. 

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And it's like, that's what's 
happening here. 

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Whether or not you would feel 
that way about a child like 

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this, you can you can understand
why this particular man and so 

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many other parents would, no 
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So I thought that was great. 
And Makar's personality came out

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more there, and it's going to be
very useful for the story going 

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forward to have that conflict 
within him and in general. 

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So Aziz, a quick question about 
that. 

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At one point he kind of like 
tries to move toward his son in 

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two nights, kind of grab him and
stop him. 

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Baylor and Lionel. 
Baylor and Lionel. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I was almost certain one was 

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Baylor, but I did not know who 
the other one was, so yeah. 

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I definitely have some more to 
say about that as well later. 

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You can tell that we'll go into 
later detail, but real quickly, 

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most of them weren't trying to 
kill each other throughout, like

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the entire seven on Seven. 
More on that later. 

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Yeah, so it starts really 
quickly, even though it kind of 

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quickly shifts into flashback 
for quite a long time. 

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There's probably that whole, 
that flashback is easily longer 

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than all the flashbacks from the
previous episodes combined. 

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Baylor gives a quick strategy 
pep talk. 

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It's somewhat similar to the 
novel. 

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Change a little bit. 
They get rid of the whole, we'll

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use Tourney Lance's thing. 
I never really liked that in the

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1st place. 
It's also got done weirdly in 

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the book because Baylor is still
a horse, still knocks someone 

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off, knocks one of the kings 
guard off his their horse with 

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the Lance and it still doesn't 
break. 

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And this is after the initial 
charge. 

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He like takes two people out 
without breaking the Lance 

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that's designed to break. 
So it's like what? 

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And his name is brake spear. 
It should break. 

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No anyway, so I didn't mind them
getting rid of that. 

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It's just a little it's a little
extra thing that takes long. 

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It's kind of can probably be 
confusing to some a lot of 

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audiences. 
It's a small thing to let go. 

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They kept the important lines 
like is that chivalrous? 

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The gods will let us know that 
was changed from Lionel's line 

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to Robin Rizling's line. 
And you know, that's cool with 

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that too. 
Taylor's response to Robin 

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Rizling makes more sense, too, 
if he understands that he's 

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motivated by his, you know, 
belief in the Seven. 

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Yes, that's a very good point. 
And there's that line. 

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He says these men will fight 
savagely. 

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And I believe it's Harold 
Harding that says so will meet. 

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So will we, my Lord. 
And then Beesbury gets his one 

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line. 
You know what if the Kingsguard,

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he says, don't take heart 
Beastbury, I'll handle the 

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Kingsguard. 
Proceeds to get killed in the 

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first charge against the 
Kingsguard. 

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Whoops, so poor Beastbury. 
And of course Harding did as 

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well, but which is slightly 
different in the book, but only 

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the only difference is when he 
dies, not how he dies. 

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So well then Baylor says, don't 
die. 

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You know, that's the important 
thing. 

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You're Dunk. 
It's all, it's kind of about you

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be vigilant and all that. 
So and then we have, you know, a

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little back and forth of comedic
and seriousness and confusing. 

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Raymond and Dunk are vomiting. 
Humphrey Harding laughs at them,

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calls them green boys. 
Then Lionel. 

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Four times in this episode. 
Right, and Lionel makes that 

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comment about ah, mother loved 
you best, huh? 

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Too bad men fight harder when 
their mothers don't love them. 

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And Baylor's kind of like, OK, 
Humphrey Harding is this very 

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confused. 
Look at Humphrey's face. 

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He said you went from laughing 
about the green boys to like 

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what? 
What are you? 

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What? 
It's very confusing. 

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I love that face. 
That should be meme to that 

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face, that confused face. 
Let's let's make sure that 

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happens. 
Y'all Internet do your job. 

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So I don't quite understand 
either, though I'm a little 

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confused as to why he said that 
then like, it's I I kind of 

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agree with him. 
It's kind of true, but it's a 

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weird time to bring that up. 
I think he just thought he felt 

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overconfident, right? 
Maybe. 

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Yeah, maybe. 
You know, I mean, he's he's he's

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making a little bit of light of 
it, but I think he's really 

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being like, that's his real 
feeling is like, I think you're 

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overconfident here. 
And I think I'm psychoanalyzing 

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you, and it's because of this. 
And he's, and Lionel's right, 

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like you were taking the 
Kingsguard too light, like you 

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can't necessarily handle all 
three of them. 

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You might be able to handle 1 or
even 2 of them, but not all 

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three at once, that kind of 
thing. 

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So I, I like if, if you're 
thinking of it that way, I 

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totally could agree with that. 
That makes some sense. 

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You know, I'm not 100% sure why 
they chose to have Lionel say 

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it, but it does. 
I don't know clue in a motif, I 

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guess, because think about how 
many characters here did had you

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know, I don't know. 
I think he said whose mother 

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neglects them. 
I think he said, and you know, 

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depending on how you define 
neglect, but Dunk didn't have a 

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mother. 
Aryan doesn't have a mother, Egg

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doesn't have a mother. 
Like lots of these characters 

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don't have mothers. 
Which of these fight the 

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hardest? 
I'm not sure, but it's it's 

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seemed like a a theme of sorts 
that they're bringing out here. 

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It made me really wonder about 
Lionel. 

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I'm guessing he has some other 
problems himself if he's saying 

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this. 
Either that or he noticed it in 

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his younger brothers. 
He's like, oh hey, mom loved me 

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best and I can see it in my 
younger brothers. 

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They fight harder because she 
didn't. 

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Either way, I he's he's observed
it, I think personally in one 

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way or another, whether it's 
he's the victim or not, I agree.

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It's too bad we didn't get 
Raymond's green apple moment, 

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but he does have the green apple
shield. 

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So it's it's there. 
It's just a part of the story 

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without being spoken to. 
So we we do can't at least say 

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that much. 
As you say, Sean, the I'll hunt 

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you down with dogs moment. 
That was great. 

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The way eggs face goes from 
smiling like he's like, yeah, 

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I'm with you, Sir. 
You know, till like when Dunk 

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turns away, his face just he 
becomes really serious and grave

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and yeah, that's some good 
acting. 

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Yeah, and it really was 
beautiful staging that they did 

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to make the the size disparity 
between them so clear. 

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You know, the shots like you 
were mentioning, Sean, where you

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kind of see Egg from, from 
looking up to to dunk there. 

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I just thought, yeah, the the 
directing was particularly good 

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in this episode. 
Dunk even still had to kind of 

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reach down a little to get the 
the Lance from him, you know? 

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Yeah, that's funny. 
So the prayer is also in the 

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book. 
It's LJ Bennion playing the role

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as the septon in the book. 
It's it goes Lord Ashford Septon

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had come to the front of the 
viewing stand and raised his 

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crystal to call the throng to 
prayer. 

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So here we actually get the 
prayer and the in the book, it's

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just kind of happening in the 
background while they're talking

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about other stuff. 
And then it transitions quite 

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quickly to the fight. 
They're like the dunk puts his 

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helm on the horses are really 
rearing. 

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It's a different vibe than the 
five on five because that's a 

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pageantry. 
Even though it's dangerous, this

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is the horses can sense the mood
of their riders and they know 

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this is real on some level. 
Even at COM, I was going to talk

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about your prior comment, but 
that one now still kind of 

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relates to it. 
I appreciate that Septon was so 

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young, that this is new to them,
this is new to everyone. 

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This hasn't happened in 100 
years. 

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Everyone's a little green about 
this, you know, some people have

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seen battle whatever, but The 
thing is it that Septon was 

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just, you know, basically a kid 
and it, you know, so was Dunk 

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and so is Egg and swords 
Raymond. 

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And like a, you know, even some 
of these people who are maybe 30

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or whatever, it's still kind of 
relatively naive. 

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They're all a little green. 
Maybe, you know, a handful of 

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these people aren't totally 
green, you know, but but most of

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the people in the audience and 
the Ashford and all these people

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seeing this real grave violence 
in this ancient tradition play 

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out, I don't know. 
I think having an accept and be 

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young kind of reminds us these 
are like regular people and that

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this is kind of new and 
surprising and uncertain for all

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of them, you know? 
That's a good point cause 

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usually you kind of default 
expect someone older to be in 

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that role, you know, and that's 
definitely not what they want 

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with the. 
Guy with the beard and white 

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hair. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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There we go again. 
That's the extreme archetype 

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version or stereotype version. 
Yeah, and like you said, Sean, 

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like I picture Baylor was 
looking at those old law books 

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trying to like find a solution. 
They the septon was probably 

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like, what's the prayer? 
You never you've seen this trope

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in in bunch of different TV 
shows where a character who's a 

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priest is like automatic my 
sermon about this week. 

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I got to need a topic for this 
week. 

445
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,880
And like, what do you say at 
this? 

446
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,080
I've never done this before. 
It's like a Doctor Who's never 

447
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,240
done a certain operation. 
They've never done before and 

448
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,080
they have to do that. 
Yeah. 

449
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,800
So a lot of great shots here. 
There's so many good shots of 

450
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,040
armor of the the different 
riders getting ready. 

451
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,080
Some of them happen so quickly, 
it's hard to tell. 

452
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:04,560
But just real quick, the order 
of the jousters here, or the 

453
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,560
fighters. 
Robin, then Raymond, then 

454
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,000
Lionel, then Baylor, then Dunk, 
then Harold Harding. 

455
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,520
Humphrey Harding. 
I did it again. 

456
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,560
Humphrey Harding, then Humphrey 
Beesbury On the other side. 

457
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:23,560
Daron Stephon, Sir Donald Makar 
Aryan William Wilde and Roland 

458
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Crake Hall. 
So that's a slight change, I 

459
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,360
believe because Sir Donald's 
facing Sir Lionel, which is not 

460
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,920
in the book, I believe because 
Sir Donald kills Beesbury in the

461
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,560
book in the first charge. 
So they're not facing each other

462
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,960
this time. 
So that can't have happened. 

463
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,600
And the only reason I know 
that's Sir Donald is for a 

464
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,680
second there, his helm is off 
before they're getting started 

465
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,640
and he's that's well, that's Sir
Donald. 

466
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,280
Stefan is facing Raymond, 
Adairon is facing Robin, Makar 

467
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,640
is facing Baylor. 
So right away they're like this 

468
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,640
trial's kind of set up for some 
kinslaying. 

469
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,840
But and it does happen, though 
not during the joust. 

470
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,120
Aryan versus Dunk Will and Wilde
versus Harold Harding, who 

471
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:03,440
apparently kills him. 
You can see pretty quickly in 

472
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,680
the joust, right? 
Like almost right away before 

473
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,600
Dunk is knocked from his horse 
that Harold Harding has been 

474
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,720
bashed to the ground by one of 
the kings card. 

475
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,320
Now in the novel, he dies of his
wounds a few days after the 

476
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,200
trial. 
In this, he dies during it. 

477
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,840
So like, that's hardly a change 
at all. 

478
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,680
But yeah, she had it on screen 
there. 

479
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,000
You can see this is the some 
Kingsguard finishing him off 

480
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,680
probably, probably wild or Cray 
call because Serdano was facing 

481
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,240
Lionel. 
But there's no way to tell which

482
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,480
one's wild and which one's Cray 
call. 

483
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,720
Either way, they both killed 
Harding and Beesbury 

484
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,440
respectively, quickly turning it
into a six on five, not seven on

485
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,800
five, because Daron also just 
kind of flops. 

486
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,800
So it goes from 7 on seven to 
six on five very quickly. 

487
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,000
And then it goes very quickly to
the flashbacks after Dunk gets 

488
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,760
lanced brutally and then Morning
Star to the face. 

489
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,120
Before we move on to that, I 
want to point out this one 

490
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:59,280
moment in shot with Aryan here 
where he rears up his horse 

491
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,640
after he like had comes in and 
and and stabs dunk in the in the

492
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,440
stomach. 
You know, I just thought that 

493
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,360
was a really powerful, cool 
moment, you know? 

494
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,520
The way he threw his Lance down,
yes, it was very sinister and 

495
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,680
triumphant. 
It was like, oh man, he should 

496
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,560
feel triumphant. 
He just broke his Lance off in 

497
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,320
the guy's side. 
Like he should feel like he's 

498
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,000
winning, but let's go like the 
show does to the flashbacks and 

499
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440
then return to the action. 
When it returns to the action, 

500
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,040
we'll follow along nicely. 
It's easy with an episode like 

501
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,000
this. 
It doesn't jump around a whole 

502
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,400
lot. 
We're going to go right to the 

503
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,480
Flea Bottom here. 
It doesn't matter. 

504
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,960
We can move fluidly. 
So this is a little surprising. 

505
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,240
We have apparently the red grass
field has just happened. 

506
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,640
That is not the book timeline 
for this. 

507
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,440
It's not quite clear to me what 
whether they changed the 

508
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,640
timeline or just made Dunk 
older. 

509
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,000
Hopefully it's just they made 
Dunk older because that is the 

510
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,400
lightest change that's possible 
from the the suggestions I'm 

511
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,200
making here as from what I can 
interpret as the possibilities 

512
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,480
I. 
Think that just makes the most 

513
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,760
sense to me, right? 
He it seems very elegant that 

514
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,200
Dunk is simply older and that 
would place him at the around 

515
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,400
Battle of Red Grass Field if you
age him up that much, right? 

516
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,280
Yeah, it needs to where we're 
talking about aging him up maybe

517
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,760
pretty good amount, like maybe 
six to seven years. 

518
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,880
Like Bambert Todd is was 14 and 
that was filmed and just like 

519
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,680
Peter Claffey is not is 30 and 
he's playing someone much 

520
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,120
younger. 
So in that way it makes sense 

521
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:27,280
you got a older person, you 
know, playing Peter Claffey is 

522
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,720
already older than Dunk should 
be. 

523
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,360
So aging Dunk up fits in that 
sense and it doesn't really hurt

524
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,680
anything to make him a little 
bit older and then. 

525
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,560
I could also read Dunk like 
grown Dunk that we're watching. 

526
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,680
Even though the actor might be 
30, he could be 26. 

527
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,440
Like he, you know, it's not like
he doesn't look like some 

528
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,480
grizzled 30 year old you guy. 
He could be in his mid 20s, 

529
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,480
which means that the younger 
Dunk could be 10 or 11 and he 

530
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040
might be a little big for that, 
but Dunk is a little big for his

531
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,920
age. 
And it it would help parallel 

532
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,080
him to egg and to egg being 
small for age and Dunk being big

533
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,880
for his age. 
So and then with the simple age 

534
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,560
up, which doesn't really disrupt
too much, it also doesn't 

535
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,920
require any disruptor the 
timeline or affect anything that

536
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,640
plays out in the future or 
whatever else. 

537
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,960
So yeah, I think it's all fine. 
I think it's better for Dunk to 

538
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,600
be older when Arlen adopts him, 
frankly. 

539
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,160
I think it's better in that we 
see it here. 

540
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Dunk has like thinks about how 
Dunk of Flea Bottom was 

541
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,120
scrappier and is able to do 
these things and you see a 5 or 

542
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,720
6 year old really internalized 
that that deeply. 

543
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,720
I think it makes way more sense 
to me for it to be someone who's

544
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,680
10 to 14, which is the range 
we're guessing. 

545
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,680
I wouldn't guess he is older 
than 14. 

546
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,760
I wouldn't guess he's younger 
than 10, right. 

547
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,920
And so I think it, his trials 
and tribulations, living as like

548
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,800
a street rat is more significant
to me if he made it all the way 

549
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,800
to his preteen years than if he 
was 5 or 6. 

550
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000
So I like that they changed 
this. 

551
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,440
I also think it makes it so that
he's even more reminiscent of 

552
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,680
Arlen's nephew Rodger of Penny 
Tree. 

553
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,560
If he's a little bit older, it 
would make him think of Rodger a

554
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,360
little bit more, probably. 
I don't know. 

555
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,360
I think it makes a lot of sense 
in addition to what we talked 

556
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,080
about last week was, which is 
that it just makes filming 

557
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,760
easier for them. 
Yeah, having actual 6 or 7 year 

558
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,320
old, they wouldn't use a six 
year old, but they would have to

559
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,520
use someone like 9 year old. 
And that's already a huge 

560
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,360
challenge. 
And let's be honest, I think 

561
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,800
maybe there's a case to be made 
that George made Dunk too young,

562
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,320
like you said, not because it's 
a bad age, but he was running 

563
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,000
around with a group like 
throwing heads into pots. 

564
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,720
And so that doesn't sound like a
sounds like a little older than 

565
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,000
six. 
Yes, he was big for his age. 

566
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,960
But anyway, we're just. 
Does this like he does this for 

567
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,840
A Song of Ice and Fire. 
He he he regularly makes 

568
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,440
characters younger than he 
really needed to. 

569
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,680
Yeah, yeah. 
So just to be clear on what 

570
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,000
these numbers were talking about
is the Black Fire Rebellion is 

571
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,200
13 years prior to at Ashford 
Meadow. 

572
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,960
So if Dunk is about 11 or 12 
here, which is my preferred 

573
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:04,000
guess, then he's 24 or 25 at 
Ashford Meadow, which is 

574
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,760
reasonable. 
That totally fits. 

575
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Like he looks that he could be 
that it's fine that he's been a 

576
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,600
Squire to Sir Arlen for that 
long. 

577
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,240
Yeah, it all, it all works. 
And like you all said, we seem 

578
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,720
to agree that it doesn't seem to
have any butterfly effect beyond

579
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,080
that it won't affect the any 
other timelines. 

580
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,760
So yeah, we have scavenging on 
the battlefield. 

581
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,280
That's a pretty clever way to 
cut it, even though it's 

582
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,480
jarring. 
Maybe. 

583
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,560
And the pacing I can. 
I won't argue with anyone who 

584
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,320
had a problem with the pacing as
far as this goes, but I didn't 

585
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,600
have a big problem with it. 
I preferred it more the second 

586
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,360
time. 
If I was going to complain about

587
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,640
the pacing, I'd say it's you 
get, it's so intense prior to 

588
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,240
this moment and I want to be 
thinking on a subtle thematic 

589
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,160
level for scenes like this. 
And it's so quick that I'm I'm 

590
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,480
missing things because I'm in 
the intense mode. 

591
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,480
But on the other hand, I'm going
to watch it multiple times and a

592
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,160
lot of us are going to do that 
because it's that good. 

593
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,640
So we're going to catch this 
stuff eventually. 

594
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,160
If you don't catch it the first 
time, who cares? 

595
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,760
That's maybe a critique for, you
know, how good it is as a piece 

596
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,120
of art standing on its own. 
But as far as fan fans go, that 

597
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640
to me is fine. 
Piece of art standing on its own

598
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,560
should be looked at multiple 
times if it's really worthwhile,

599
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,680
you know what I mean? 
Like, you can't expect to always

600
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,200
get everything immediately upon 
viewing it, you know? 

601
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,720
That's fair. 
And I found great meaning in 

602
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,400
dunk his when he gets knocked 
out, him flashing back 

603
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,680
immediately to kind of seeing 
the horrors of war and fighting.

604
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,840
And like the his probably his 
his one of his closest 

605
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,160
experiences with seeing that 
with with killing a man. 

606
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,840
You know, because that is they 
did have part of of his his 

607
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,840
killing there, this Hightower 
man. 

608
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,200
So I don't know that that's what
I took from it. 

609
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,200
But that's the moment that he 
goes to and then it follows us 

610
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,160
through like the other great 
death that he saw, which is 

611
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,040
holding Rafe in his arms. 
And then it parallels at the end

612
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,280
him holding Baylor. 
So I thought it was effective. 

613
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,320
I get a lot of people were 
bothered because they felt that 

614
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,600
him having a connection with 
Rafe was meant to parallel him 

615
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,320
saving Tan Cell. 
I don't really think so. 

616
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,440
I kind of think they're 
unrelated and kind of a happy 

617
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,160
accident of a parallel. 
I think there was other things 

618
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,360
that they wanted to show in 
terms of Dunks family that he 

619
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,840
lost, you know, his yearning for
a family. 

620
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,840
I saw all of that more than I 
saw him wanting to save Rafe 

621
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,160
when he saved Chancel. 
But that's that's a valid 

622
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,120
reading of it. 
I felt like Grape wanted to save

623
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,680
him more than he wanted to save 
her. 

624
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,280
I, I tend to agree that she was 
the one pushing for to be saved.

625
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,680
On the other hand, he was, he 
had a cogent argument that he 

626
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,200
wasn't able to put into words 
very well, which is that it's 

627
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,840
not going to be better 
elsewhere. 

628
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,880
You know, it's the problem is 
that we're broke and lowborn, 

629
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,600
not that it's King's Landing, 
you know, and that was a good 

630
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,840
point, even though he phrased it
as one of my, he made it about 

631
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,440
his mother, which was not a good
point. 

632
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,800
She seized on that. 
It's, you know, it's sad that, 

633
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,240
that he's saying that. 
I don't, you know, I'm not 

634
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,840
ragging him for it, but in terms
of best outcomes for him, I, I 

635
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,080
kind of understand that. 
I also appreciate it like when 

636
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,800
you, when they go back to Flea 
Bottom, you're still seeing the 

637
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,760
ravages of warps. 
You're seeing like people 

638
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,240
cauterizing like legs and stuff.
It's pretty rough. 

639
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,640
And I, I also like seeing that 
this is the environment that he 

640
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,680
he was coming of age and growing
up in. 

641
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,040
You said it well with the I'm 
saris there. 

642
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,000
He said I'm sorry to the 
Hightower man as he's holding 

643
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,600
his windpipe blocked, blocking 
his windpipe, taking away his 

644
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,440
oxygen and he says I'm sorry to 
rape, but she's dying and I'm 

645
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,920
sorry to Baylor. 
In all three cases, it's not his

646
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,880
fault, but he's saying he's 
sorry. 

647
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,920
That's just the kind of guy he 
is. 

648
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,960
I thought Bamber tied, like you 
said, Ashea caught dunks 

649
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,400
kindness really well. 
A recurring theme was dunking 

650
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,880
nice to animals. 
We saw that here. 

651
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,880
He's nice to a goat. 
He's petting a goat, you know, 

652
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,160
just on the road. 
He pet the rat when he was in 

653
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,240
prison. 
And of course he's very kind to 

654
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,360
the horses. 
The whole bit about the 

655
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,840
Hightower, they have to do a 
prayer for the Hightower man or 

656
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,920
he'll go to hell with the rest 
of us. 

657
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,360
And he says I don't have any 
words. 

658
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Obviously that's a call back to 
the first scene of the whole 

659
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,360
show with Sir Arlen, him not 
knowing the words for Sir Arlen 

660
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,680
either. 
And a call, a call back to him 

661
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,240
not knowing the words tonight, 
Raymond, he had no words. 

662
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,000
He had no words there either, or
not all of them anyway. 

663
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,880
On the on their way out, 
returning from their jaunt to do

664
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,160
some looting, they see a stoke 
worth minute. 

665
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,120
Not a caravan, it's just a 
couple of horses and there's a 

666
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,520
dead body there. 
I guess. 

667
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,760
I don't know if this is like 
someone collecting A bounty or 

668
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,760
taking it. 
Doesn't seem to be. 

669
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Could be a a funeral, but I 
don't know why they'd be taking 

670
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,800
their a body to King's Landing 
if it was their own. 

671
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,160
Yeah, they'd be going to 
Stokeworth. 

672
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Yeah, if there was some 
Stokeworth character that died 

673
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,760
in the Black Fire rebellions, it
may be this could be said 

674
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,360
someone and we should recognize 
some story, maybe something or 

675
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,080
setting up, I don't know. 
Yeah, the. 

676
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,560
The Stokeworth lands are just 
north of King's Landing too, so 

677
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,880
he could just be passing this 
direction. 

678
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,040
But yeah, I don't recall a 
Stokeworth, a particular 

679
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,600
Stokeworth knight. 
You know, there were the the 

680
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,880
Lord Stokeworth was involved, 
but this wouldn't be him. 

681
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,199
I'm glad. 
To see this digital closer, we 

682
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,520
debated about it for a while 
before we knew what it was a 

683
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,360
couple weeks ago. 
And we can see that they the 

684
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,520
goblet has like gems and stuff 
on it. 

685
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,920
I think it's such an interesting
decision that they made it 

686
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,840
instead of a lamb holding a 
goblet, they made it a goblet 

687
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,360
holding a lamb. 
And I think it's a better image.

688
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,280
But I have questions about why 
they wanted to change it for 

689
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,440
this era and I. 
Don't you just misread it and? 

690
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,520
Went on with. 
Their work and no one called him

691
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,360
out. 
Said that this was one of his 

692
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,199
favorite sigils in the series. 
Even so I, I, I, I don't know. 

693
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,440
I think it's nice. 
It kind of looks like a a bird 

694
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,400
with its tail from afar, you 
know, So it's kind of an optical

695
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,320
illusion almost. 
It's it is wacky and kind of 

696
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,000
hard to figure. 
So yeah, they're trying to buy. 

697
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,080
Miniature. 
Is that a miniature lamb or a 

698
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,880
huge chalice? 
Both. 

699
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,880
Both. 
No, it's a huge chalice and a 

700
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,960
huge lamb. 
It's gigantic. 

701
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,920
So trying to bypasses to the 
free cities, which is always 

702
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,880
like a kind of a sign that they 
don't know what they're doing 

703
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,640
exactly, because like that's 
nine different free cities and 

704
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,560
they're really not close to each
other at all. 

705
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Which one are you going to? 
In in geography or or society, 

706
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,160
right. 
Yeah, like you could Bravos. 

707
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,400
OK, I would say that's a fine 
choice, but do not go to one of 

708
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
those cities that they have a 
lot of slavery because you'll 

709
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,760
end up amongst that. 
And it's one of them like do not

710
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,120
go to Volantis. 
Do not go to to lease. 

711
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Yeah. 
So I appreciated some of the 

712
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,680
small character touches here 
too, like very much like Dunk. 

713
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,360
He doesn't react angrily at 
someone getting mad at him when 

714
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,520
Rafe flares up and he's like, 
well, we'll at least we you're 

715
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,600
probably happy that we get to 
stay here and wait for your dead

716
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,880
mother. 
And he just like doesn't he just

717
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,240
kind of looks down. 
He's like, and then she 

718
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,720
apologizes. 
He's like, he doesn't even say 

719
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:07,840
anything. 
He's just like, I get it, you're

720
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,280
upset, you're lashing out like 
that's a very mature reaction. 

721
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,480
But that is dunk like that is 
how he is. 

722
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,080
He's he doesn't take things 
personally like that. 

723
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,480
It's about right and wrong on a 
different level for him. 

724
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,680
This is to them. 
That's nothing. 

725
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,760
That's just those are just some 
words. 

726
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Words are wins, right? 
It's the deeds that matter. 

727
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,240
And he is more concerned with 
those things throughout these 

728
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,680
scenes when this Alistair 
character and the other bully 

729
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,480
whose name isn't given, they're 
gold cloaks. 

730
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,760
And you can tell the gold cloaks
are in a particularly sorry 

731
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,200
state given how disheveled they 
are. 

732
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,720
His gold cloak is messy as heck.
The other guy's cloak isn't even

733
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,200
gold. 
He may not even be a gold cloak.

734
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,240
They look so bad to me that I 
was doubtful when we first 

735
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,840
watched it that they were 
actually Gold cloaks in City 

736
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Watch. 
I thought like, oh, maybe they 

737
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,480
killed 1 and took his clothes 
and they're kind of faking it. 

738
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,480
But no, he's credited as 
Alistair City Watch and the and 

739
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,000
the actor referred to him that 
way as well. 

740
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,440
So I do think that they really 
do show that the sorry state 

741
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,320
they're in. 
A former thief. 

742
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,280
He pointed out that he lost a 
hand for thieving. 

743
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,960
So he's they they hired a 
former. 

744
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,800
Yeah. 
I mean, really. 

745
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,200
I mean, I'm all for 
rehabilitation, but I think 

746
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,200
they're making a point here that
this is not that because this 

747
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,560
guy clearly isn't rehabilitated.
It's not a good dude. 

748
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,080
Yeah, I think, I think there was
a lot of I think we were 

749
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,240
supposed to get the idea that, 
you know, if not the Gold Cloaks

750
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,720
in general aren't the most 
upstanding or in the best of 

751
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,720
times, the ones that flee 
bottom, you can imagine they 

752
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,360
might care a little. 
Sure, whatever. 

753
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,520
You can go be a gold cloak and 
flee bottom, you know, and and 

754
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,000
he may even have a bad 
reputation if he goes out of his

755
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,160
area, the gold cloaks in other 
areas. 

756
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,840
My like you, you shouldn't be 
one of us. 

757
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Get back to your, you know, I I 
can imagine it being a oh, a 

758
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,440
range of quality of character 
and interactions between 

759
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,880
different neighborhoods, if you 
will, in King's Landing. 

760
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,320
But one way or the other, this 
guy in this scenario is not 

761
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,240
good. 
Yeah, 100 percent, 100%. 

762
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,800
It's a very much like a lower 
scale Aryan. 

763
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,960
This is like the bully of his 
youth, where Aryan is a like 

764
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,240
peak bully, you know, 'cause 
he's the highest ranking bully. 

765
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:14,760
You can basically imagine he and
Rafe, the those two were both in

766
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,280
the Dune prophecy show, Alistair
and Leah, Chloe, Leah, he was a 

767
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,880
Harkonnen and she was a young 
Benny Jesuit. 

768
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,240
So they weren't even on the same
timeline. 

769
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,360
They probably didn't. 
They may not have even met on 

770
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,320
set. 
They weren't in the same scenes 

771
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400
at all, but still, that's cool. 
At different points she refers 

772
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,320
to Pudding and Ferret a 
different as using examples as 

773
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,040
they're discussing things. 
And those are both characters 

774
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,520
mentioned from books. 
Dunks memories. 

775
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,720
One of them in particular. 
A story that she mentions is how

776
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,240
people don't forget. 
People don't forget how they 

777
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,920
made you feel. 
And that's why she says, yeah, 

778
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,960
this Blackfyre rebellion isn't 
over. 

779
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,960
People are still mad at each 
other over the things that 

780
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,640
happened during the war. 
Even though the war is over and 

781
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,120
she's 100% right. 
Then she for kind of forgets her

782
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,280
own lesson when she provokes 
this guy that she knows she's 

783
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,240
going to see again. 
You know, she just steals from 

784
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,320
him twice, I guess. 
She obviously didn't think it 

785
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,200
would go that far. 
I. 

786
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,840
Mean. 
She looks so proud of herself. 

787
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,200
She looked so smug, her face. 
There. 

788
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,840
And she was so mad that he stole
their money. 

789
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,440
That was they worked so hard for
that money. 

790
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,360
So, like, she was kind of 
desperate, yeah. 

791
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,560
You know, I, I've thought about 
that quite a bit, how the, the 

792
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,360
irony that she's trying to tell 
Dunk, you know, if you hurt 

793
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,360
someone, they're going to hurt 
you back. 

794
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,040
And then she goes and hurts 
someone, although they did hurt 

795
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,520
her too. 
And, and I, I, I thought a lot 

796
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,320
about the idea that it's a self 
fulfilling prophecy that like 

797
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,520
that people who think that 
because people have this idea, 

798
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,120
if you get hurt, you hurt 
someone back, well, then when 

799
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,240
they get hurt, they hurt someone
back when I that person got 

800
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,080
hurt, so they hurt. 
So it's like they, they make 

801
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,640
sure that it stays that way. 
You know what I mean? 

802
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,080
And the cycle if. 
Everyone stops thinking that 

803
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,960
way. 
The whole that wouldn't be the 

804
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,240
way that it is anymore. 
Now you know, it's, it's human 

805
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,440
nature, or at least some human 
sometimes. 

806
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,920
So it makes sense. 
But it, I don't know, it's sad. 

807
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,360
It's sad to see and sad. 
To realize how hopeless I'm, she

808
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,760
said Flea Bottom is full of 
people who have been hurt. 

809
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,680
It's a tinderbox, you know, like
all these people have been hurt 

810
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,840
or waiting to hurt someone back.
And sure enough, it happens. 

811
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,880
And I was even thinking a little
bit about the idea of, you know,

812
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,160
Dunk being there versus Ghost 
going somewhere else. 

813
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,800
Maybe everywhere is crappy. 
That would be really sad, Sean. 

814
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,640
Right? 
Yeah. 

815
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,000
I love that line. 
It was good line, yeah. 

816
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,080
And, you know, in King's 
Landing, in a way, in maybe big 

817
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,320
cities both in and out, maybe, I
guess, I don't know. 

818
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680
There's more. 
There's more wealth around, so 

819
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,440
there's more opportunity, 
especially if we want to be a 

820
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,800
thief. 
But if they get out into just 

821
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,680
some farm somewhere, there will 
be more opportunity for work, I 

822
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,280
think. 
Right. 

823
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,600
Like in that city, what what can
these kids do? 

824
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,040
They're out scrounging scraps 
from a battlefield. 

825
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,280
There's just more people, 
there's more disparity in 

826
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,680
wealth, which encourages the the
the thievery and less 

827
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,040
opportunities for people to work
so that more need for the. 

828
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,960
But if he just went out in a 
countryside or found a farm, he 

829
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,680
could just work in a farm and 
wouldn't feel the wrath of gold 

830
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,000
cloaks trying to take his at 
least not as often, not as 

831
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,160
likely. 
And that's kind of what happens 

832
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,000
right when he gets out of the 
King's land. 

833
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,160
He just wandering on the road. 
No one's harassing him anymore, 

834
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,640
you know, to man, and you find 
someone who will have him work, 

835
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,280
and he does work and he does 
well. 

836
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,400
And I don't know, it's an 
interesting microcosm, I think 

837
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,760
of at least certain elements of 
the world, both in both this 

838
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,720
fantasy world in time and the 
real world. 

839
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,440
I like that line from the guy 
they were selling scraps to. 

840
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,360
We'll all be plundering that 
tomb for a Dragon's age. 

841
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,600
And it feels like the kind of 
language that could be in the 

842
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,560
world. 
You know, Dragons live so long. 

843
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,840
So it's a good way to express, 
you know, a long period of time.

844
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,080
And it also is a good way to 
express just how big and bloody 

845
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,880
the battle was. 
That that implies a lot of 

846
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,520
people died there. 
There's a lot of things left 

847
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880
behind, a lot of pieces of 
armor, a lot of horseshoes, a 

848
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,160
lot of daggers, a lot of random 
things. 

849
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,080
This sets up a little bit what 
happens in the mystery night 

850
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,960
when the snail knight gets mad 
at his Squire for accepting a 

851
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,320
Damon Blackfyre coin, but he 
doesn't give the coin back. 

852
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,360
He's like, I'm going to have to 
melt this down. 

853
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,920
You can't meltdown leather. 
So like with metal, there's a 

854
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,000
way around a leather. 
Yeah. 

855
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,720
You can't do anything with that.
So you can understand why it's 

856
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,440
bad to be caught with that. 
They might think you're 

857
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,040
especially under, you know, the 
the regime that emerges a bit 

858
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,520
later under Bloodraven and all 
that. 

859
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,960
They're pretty strict about 
black fire imagery. 

860
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,240
They're not allowed to sing 
black fire songs. 

861
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,080
You're not allowed to. 
Yeah. 

862
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,360
So it becomes a pretty big deal.
This guy's a little bit ahead of

863
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,080
himself. 
He kind of knows that that's 

864
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,160
going to go, that's going to go 
that way probably for the same 

865
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,240
reason Rafe understands it. 
Like, people are still going to 

866
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,680
be mad. 
People are taking this very 

867
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,840
seriously and the violence isn't
done yet. 

868
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,720
When they go to get fair to, you
know, a free city, it is kind of

869
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,840
generic and the and the guy's 
like prices double. 

870
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,160
A lot of people have the same 
idea. 

871
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,440
I think what's behind that is 
that now that the Black Fire 

872
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,120
rebellion is over, anyone who 
was a supporter of the Black 

873
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Fires in any way, they're in 
danger and they need to get 

874
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,480
away. 
And there will be a number of 

875
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,240
them. 
And that would increase the 

876
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:14,280
demand for spots on ships and 
the price would double and so on

877
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,360
that. 
That makes sense, right? 

878
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,520
It definitely does make sense. 
Yes, and a lot of their ships 

879
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,840
would be wary about taking 
obvious black fires on, so they 

880
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,320
would have to take more money to
do it, things like that. 

881
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,760
Yeah, so you're right. 
This is a whole domino effect 

882
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,520
going on here. 
So getting back to the the 

883
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,440
pivotal moment here, Rafe is 
killed by Alistair and Dunk 

884
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,000
finally has something that makes
him lose his temper. 

885
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,680
It takes a lot because he's only
going to react as more serious 

886
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,960
things. 
You know, words are win and all 

887
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,760
that. 
He wasn't nearly as upset about 

888
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,560
the fair not being enough 
because he's more optimistic. 

889
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,400
He's like, look, we'll just keep
looting the battlefield. 

890
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,640
We'll get there. 
Obviously not after this. 

891
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,160
He's thrown off and speared in 
the leg and Sir Arlen's 

892
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,760
drunkenly saves him. 
So there's some missing context 

893
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,560
here you have to think back on. 
We all know Sir Arlen's a 

894
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,840
drinker. 
That's been clear from the 

895
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,600
beginning, but he's particularly
drunk here. 

896
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,240
And that's almost certainly 
because he just lost his nephew 

897
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,400
and Squire in that battle, the 
red grass field. 

898
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,080
He died in that battle. 
So this is like a day or two 

899
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,680
ago, like literally that recent.
And we know it's that recent 

900
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,200
because that dude wouldn't have 
been alive under the horse. 

901
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,400
If this would been like a week 
or two ago, that guy would have 

902
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,400
been dead quite a while to it. 
That's how we know it's very 

903
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,240
recent. 
So he's mourning, He's in 

904
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,960
mourning. 
And maybe even Dunk looks a 

905
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,320
little like Rodger. 
I'm going to guess that's A at 

906
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,800
least a 50% chance they run with
that as as a connecting point. 

907
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,040
But it's the lesson. 
It's the opposite of this bully 

908
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,040
lesson. 
He saw a kid being picked on, 

909
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,720
doesn't know the kid, doesn't 
even talk to the kid afterwards,

910
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,160
just steps in and saves him and 
then moves on. 

911
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,920
Like that's what a true knight 
does kind of when they're drunk 

912
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,440
anyway and moving on is wise too
because he just killed 2 gold 

913
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,400
cloaks, which that's yeah, that 
that might be a problem for you 

914
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,520
a little later there if anyone 
points it out, but he's. 

915
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,240
Defending the week. 
Even when it was the 40 figure 

916
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,800
like Dunk going after Aryan. 
Oh, sorry, I took your line. 

917
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,800
But anyway, that's that's what I
have to say about that moment. 

918
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,480
I'll go ahead and Sean, we'll 
transition to you for the scene.

919
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,360
Just that just I just wanted to 
point out that the fact that it 

920
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,440
was, you know, an, an official 
of some sort, some of authority 

921
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,680
or whatever that didn't, he 
didn't hesitate, didn't they had

922
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,240
no factor in the, the decision 
that he made, the action that he

923
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:32,200
took. 
It didn't matter. 

924
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,600
That really struck dunk, too. 
Even mattered extra, maybe even 

925
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,520
made him more motivated. 
Like, yeah. 

926
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,600
So he's still thinking about and
we had these lines a little 

927
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,920
before having a family, Rafe 
said. 

928
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,240
No, you can't wait for your 
family. 

929
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,720
You got to go make one. 
And that's hard to disagree with

930
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,280
that when they're in the state 
they're in, you know, orphans 

931
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
living in a this is a sewer that
we're seeing the grade to a 

932
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,560
sewer, like actually about as 
bad as it gets. 

933
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,680
So I was going to say Sir, he 
hears he sees Sir Arlen, but he 

934
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,360
actually hears Sir Arlen first 
and then sees him and he's 

935
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,400
knocks over some apples. 
He's still drunk, still drunk. 

936
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,720
So again, on a a grief Bender, a
guy who already drinks a lot, 

937
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,880
going on a Bender is really a 
quite a lot of drinking. 

938
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,800
And this brings us to what we 
were waiting for. 

939
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,400
Now, Shia mentioned it earlier. 
We weren't sure how they would 

940
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,240
splice in these shots into the 
trial. 

941
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,440
We thought it might be some back
and forth instead of we did not 

942
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,760
guess. 
At least I didn't guess. 

943
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,560
I don't remember us guessing all
one all in one. 

944
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,200
That was not really on my radar 
as a possibility. 

945
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,440
There was 1 brief other shot of 
art when he goes get up. 

946
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,760
Oh, get up, you're right there. 
I mean, it's just a repeat. 

947
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,120
I just want to just 
semantically, technically 

948
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,720
totally. 
Right, the best kind of correct,

949
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,040
technically correct. 
So that that brings us to a lot 

950
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,360
of the missing trailer shots. 
Once we've been waiting for all 

951
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,400
seasons, like when is Sir Arlen?
When are we going to see this 

952
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,680
one? 
And they're all like all of them

953
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,240
were here. 
I I don't think there's any 

954
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:05,320
missing Sir Arlen trailer shots 
left and I don't know that we'll

955
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,200
see Sir Arlen again this season.
Well, and maybe maybe not ever 

956
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,440
again. 
I kind of think we will, but 

957
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,000
I'm. 
Rooting for some flashback and 

958
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,560
maybe not of Sir Arlen but I 
still want them to keep up a 

959
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,280
flashback in every episode and I
would like to see one in episode

960
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,280
6. 
But you're right that we will 

961
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,600
absolutely see more of Arlen in 
future seasons. 

962
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,640
I kind of think and hope and 
expect that we will cause Dunk 

963
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,200
keeps thinking about him in the 
future books, you know what I 

964
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,280
mean? 
Yeah, you're right, You're 

965
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,240
right. 
Being an influence on him there,

966
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,480
he has more memories with him 
and so on, I think. 

967
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,080
It's part of how the show frames
things like, I think it's part 

968
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,800
of the foundational DNA of this 
show to to use flashbacks. 

969
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,720
He's the ancestor of House Dunk.
Yeah, not just far gone 

970
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:47,680
flashbacks, but recent 
flashbacks. 

971
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,240
They I think that's a thing that
they will continue always using.

972
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,800
You're right, they established 
that it's the thing they're 

973
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,640
going to do. 
Yeah. 

974
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,960
And and they cast a pretty solid
actor for this role too. 

975
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Danny Webb. 
He's a he's a dude. 

976
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,840
Arlen leaves. 
As I said, that's maybe partly 

977
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,840
related to the fact that he's 
killed some gold cloaks, but 

978
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,400
also related to the fact that 
he's a hedge knight. 

979
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,120
He lives on the road. 
He also wants to go back to the 

980
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,080
grave where where Roger is 
buried. 

981
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,360
And that's his nephew and Squire
again to repeat that whose helm 

982
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,960
was sitting on the grave. 
And we're we were all pretty 

983
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,520
confused about what this song 
was. 

984
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,400
It's a Dothraki song, per David 
J Peterson, and he's the 

985
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,800
Dothraki guy. 
And we have built the translated

986
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,280
list. 
He's the Dothraki guy. 

987
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,480
He invented Dothraki. 
Yeah. 

988
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,960
It's just. 
A funny way to put it. 

989
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,920
So. 
We got the. 

990
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:35,840
Lyrics. 
We got the lyrics. 

991
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,320
Yeah, he has an AO3 that's 
Archive of Our Own, the fan 

992
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,280
fiction site. 
He uses that under Dead Elves 

993
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,600
DEDALVS and I'm putting the link
in the chat again for y'all, but

994
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,560
Aziz is going to read it right? 
The ropes of death enwrapped me.

995
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:57,720
Ungodly men have made me afraid.
The ropes of hell abound me. 

996
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,000
The sorrows of death prevented 
me. 

997
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,880
In my distress I called upon 
you, the great stallion who was 

998
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,680
worthy to be praised. 
So shall I be saved from my 

999
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,640
strong enemy. 
Beat them small as the dust 

1000
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,360
before the wind. 
I will cast the evil out as the 

1001
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,240
dirt in the streets. 
Courage is my salvation, Mercy 

1002
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,720
is my light. 
Make my feet like Hinds, feet 

1003
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,640
that my step would not blunder. 
Gird me with might that I 

1004
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:30,640
destroy them that hate me. 
I will cast the evil out as the 

1005
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,720
dirt in the streets. 
Courage is my salvation, mercy 

1006
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,400
is my light. 
That's pretty good. 

1007
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,080
Now, I'm definitely confused as 
to why Sir Arlen knows the 

1008
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,920
Dothraki song, but there could 
be some clever explanation. 

1009
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,200
It's too obscure for me to guess
that, but I'm sure there's a 

1010
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,520
there's a way to come up with a 
reason for. 

1011
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,680
It I imagine fighting in war, 
there's very good likelihood 

1012
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,120
that they hired self swords 
right? 

1013
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,960
And that Arlen fought alongside 
some Dothraki. 

1014
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,600
And that that's my personal 
explanation is that it happened 

1015
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,400
during the war and not earlier. 
Because that's the most likely 

1016
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,200
time that I think he would have 
interfaced with Dothraki and 

1017
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,920
that they would have mourned 
people, they would have lost 

1018
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,280
people in a previous fight, and 
that Dothraki might have taught 

1019
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,160
it to him and other people then.
I could see it. 

1020
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,800
Yeah, I could see it. 
So it's. 

1021
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,680
Interesting, by the way, not 
just that he knows this Dothraki

1022
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,840
song, but he knows it in 
Dothraki seemingly pretty well. 

1023
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,800
Like he's got to like, memorize 
and he's singing. 

1024
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,160
It you're not like, you're not a
native. 

1025
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,360
Dothraki. 
Speaker Sean, for all you know, 

1026
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,960
he's mangling every single word 
we don't know. 

1027
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,080
He's speaking it with a common 
accent, he said. 

1028
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,760
He's pronouncing everything 
wrong. 

1029
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,920
I would like to know actually if
he, if I asked David J Peterson 

1030
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,440
if he had good slippery or if he
was on purpose, like slurring 

1031
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,720
and messing words up, right, 
because he's drunk. 

1032
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,560
So you would expect that. 
It's not spot on. 

1033
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,680
So it gets lost in the shuffle 
because there was so much 

1034
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,520
amazing action in this episode. 
But that flop, that drunken flop

1035
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,840
he did when he fell on his back,
that was really good. 

1036
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,120
That was a really a plus drunken
flop there, Sir Arlen. 

1037
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,200
So when Dunk sneaks up on the 
passed out Sir Arlen, he gets 

1038
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,400
that. 
We get that scene that we talked

1039
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,800
about a little earlier when he 
he talks to Sweet Foot, which is

1040
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,760
call back to Egg talking to 
Thunder and meeting Sweet Foot 

1041
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,160
and then Dunk having to sell 
Sweet Foot later. 

1042
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,040
Dunk is about to put the helm 
on. 

1043
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,520
They played with this in the 
trailer. 

1044
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,880
They showed it as if he was 
putting it on, and then Dunk's 

1045
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,440
putting his helm on during the 
trial. 

1046
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,440
We guessed that that might be 
back-to-back, but we also 

1047
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,840
suggested it might be a trailer 
edit. 

1048
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,880
It was a trailer edit. 
In fact, he doesn't put the helm

1049
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,040
on. 
He plays with the sword, he 

1050
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,880
talks to the horse, but he 
doesn't put the helm on because 

1051
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,880
once again, Dunk has this innate
goodness and it's wrong to put 

1052
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,640
on a dead person's helm. 
Yeah, you can tell it's a grave.

1053
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,080
It's very obvious, obviously, 
that. 

1054
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,960
It's a grave. 
He's a child who doesn't first 

1055
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,160
realize that. 
He wouldn't realize it 

1056
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,200
immediately, but but as a child,
he's just got to go through that

1057
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,440
process of thinking that 
through. 

1058
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,040
I thought there were two shots 
that I love the way they 

1059
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,240
paralleled and they're going to 
be in a million fan edits on 

1060
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,040
TikTok and the YouTube and the 
like. 

1061
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,960
And it 1 is this one of him 
holding the helm and almost 

1062
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,400
putting it on the other is when 
he's curled up on the ground, 

1063
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,720
you know, close to mere death, 
right? 

1064
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,000
And that's obviously the exact 
same pose that he's in with a 

1065
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,080
shot that kind of is Dolly out 
and zooms in on him at the at 

1066
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,520
the very end. 
It'll show in a minute. 

1067
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,040
Yeah, those were like exactly 
the same. 

1068
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:29,040
I think it's also an interesting
parallel to Egg where Dunk kind 

1069
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:34,480
of holds back and he he starts 
to pick up the helmet, but Egg 

1070
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,400
just puts on Dunk's armor, jumps
on the horse like Egg. 

1071
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,680
I don't know if he's more brash 
or has faced less consequences 

1072
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,520
or has a different moral system 
or maybe that's why Dunk is more

1073
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,000
upset with the Egg. 
He's like, who do you think you 

1074
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,120
like it? 
Doug have more for whatever 

1075
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,960
reasons reservation about 
getting into Arlen's mix where 

1076
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,520
Egg just takes his stuff and 
gets on his horse. 

1077
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,080
You know, like it's a. 
Well, there's a there's a noble 

1078
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,760
for you. 
There's a Prince for you, right?

1079
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,880
Oh. 
Yeah, definitely. 

1080
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,480
They like they both they both 
have the same quality that they 

1081
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,200
both were. 
They grew up around awful 

1082
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,560
influences and bad circumstance.
Well, eggs weren't as bad 

1083
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,200
circumstances so much as just a 
really bad family, whereas Dunk 

1084
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,920
had no family and really bad 
circumstances. 

1085
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,560
In either case, they came out as
good people anyway. 

1086
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,240
And but they also see the have a
grass is greener kind of thing 

1087
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,840
going on where for Dunk, it's 
more obvious, like he's broken 

1088
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,760
family was of course the grass 
is greener. 

1089
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,720
But for AG, it's more like the 
grass is greener because his 

1090
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:36,000
family sucks. 
Like if his family didn't stink,

1091
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,880
he might appreciate his 
privilege and make use of it a 

1092
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,560
lot more instead of trying to 
get away from it because it's 

1093
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,840
associated with horrible people.
But yeah, this is kind of 

1094
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,200
there's a little bit of like a 
drunken master kind of vibe here

1095
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,720
where the student has to follow 
and suffer and prove their 

1096
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:56,000
dedication. 
But it's not quite like that. 

1097
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,360
Also because Sir Arlen is 
mourning and probably isn't 

1098
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,320
ready to have another Squire. 
Like literally, as we said that 

1099
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,320
his Squire died like a few days 
before, if if not like no more 

1100
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,640
than a few days. 
So it really seems to me like 

1101
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,040
they're both Darlin's aware of 
Dunk following him. 

1102
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,120
Dunk isn't trying to hide. 
He at one point he's just 

1103
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,760
sitting there whittling and and 
looking at him doing swords 

1104
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,720
lately. 
They they both know of aware, 

1105
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:21,160
aware of the other like very 
clearly. 

1106
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,600
And, and I don't, I think Dunk 
knows Sir Ellen knows he's 

1107
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,280
there. 
I don't agree actually, I don't 

1108
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,200
think that I think that's it 
speaks to how checked out Arlen 

1109
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,880
is that and how like he's 
numbing himself that I, I 

1110
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,920
thought that Dunk was observing 
him. 

1111
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,880
He was whittling, which mirrored
Egg and Arlen still did not see 

1112
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,240
him even though I always see it 
from our perspective, you can 

1113
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,480
see it, but Arlen never turns 
his head to him. 

1114
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,400
He never looks at him until that
scene where he sees him collapse

1115
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,360
following him. 
And so I, I, I don't think he 

1116
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,520
will. 
OK, well, let's see all y'all 

1117
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,440
weigh in. 
What do you think? 

1118
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,160
Whether he noticed him or not, 
certainly I I would like to add 

1119
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,200
one other point that I think 
that point you'll see that's a 

1120
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,000
pun. 
I think Arlene kind of realizes 

1121
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,640
he's hit rock bottom when he 
sleeps on his own knife. 

1122
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,400
And it's to me that fits with 
what I'm saying, that he that's 

1123
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,960
just when he's like, all right, 
I guess I, I can't do this 

1124
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,160
alone. 
I should let you know, softens 

1125
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,360
him up a little bit because he 
realizes he's just is so deep in

1126
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,800
this. 
What do you think, Sean? 

1127
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,680
I'm really, I'm really back and 
forth on it. 

1128
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,160
I, I, I think it could go either
way because I, I thought the 

1129
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,040
same thing with a knife. 
Well, I, I think in the end, I 

1130
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,120
think that I agree with you, But
for example, with a knife, I 

1131
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,520
think that that could go to 
Shay's ornament. 

1132
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,760
He's still out of it. 
He stabbed himself in his sleep 

1133
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,960
and maybe maybe he's still out 
of me doesn't notice the boy. 

1134
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,160
But also there was a moment when
Dunk was puking, like he drank 

1135
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,160
the muddy water and him puked. 
And it's hard to imagine Arlen 

1136
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,400
didn't hear that. 
But they also show Arlen in that

1137
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,800
moment by the crackling fire 
whittling. 

1138
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,520
And I don't maybe did drown it 
out. 

1139
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,320
And when you are super drunk, 
it's kind of dissociative. 

1140
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,600
You kind of become less aware, 
even things that maybe you're 

1141
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,480
kind of subconsciously aware. 
If you don't care about you kind

1142
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,160
of block it out or forget about 
it. 

1143
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,200
That being blackout drunk, 
literally you forget things that

1144
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,880
happened. 
Did you notice them when they 

1145
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,640
did happen? 
It's. 

1146
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,720
A several day long Bender? 
Yeah, you could. 

1147
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,920
I can see it. 
Yeah. 

1148
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,720
There were several moments where
I felt like Dunk was too close. 

1149
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,400
He when he was, there's one 
moment they were kind of going 

1150
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,800
up a little hill and Dunk was 
maybe 2 horse lengths behind 

1151
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,600
him. 
But if Arlen slumped over half 

1152
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,200
drunk, looking forward, he still
might not not you know, I, I'm 

1153
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,280
really back and forth like I 
could not decide. 

1154
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,960
I I think in the end I decided 
it was too obvious and Arlen was

1155
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,320
quasi aware but just didn't 
care. 

1156
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,640
He's too drunk to care about 
anything, even his own 

1157
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,800
well-being, and finally was 
forced to acknowledge this kid 

1158
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,840
following him, but I can. 
I think there were multiple 

1159
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,600
times where Arlen would have 
acknowledged him if he noticed 

1160
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,320
one. 
And it's this is after the 

1161
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,080
whittling is it's when Dunk is 
really cold. 

1162
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,600
It's so freezing and he's 
shivering like he could die from

1163
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,880
it. 
And then he's puking. 

1164
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,120
And I think Arlen would have 
said something if he had 

1165
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,640
actually noticed him puking. 
To the scene here that I'm now 

1166
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,600
on when Dunk is curled up 
because he's been so cold there 

1167
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,480
and he hasn't even gotten up 
when Arlen has gotten up, you 

1168
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,880
know, and Arlen, I paid. 
Arlen never turns his head to 

1169
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,040
look at him once as he walked, 
goes past him. 

1170
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,600
I think he did not see a little 
boy curled up there. 

1171
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,600
And I think it's not until 
because of the next sequence is 

1172
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,680
him. 
He's so drunk that he stabbed 

1173
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,920
himself, right? 
That's the next shot. 

1174
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,640
And then the next scene is 
finally he sees this boy 

1175
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,400
following him and collapses. 
And he goes right to him as soon

1176
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,240
as he actually sees him and he 
sees him collapse. 

1177
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,160
So that's why I don't think he 
did, because I think there were 

1178
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,880
two moments where Dunk needed 
his help and he didn't help. 

1179
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,560
All right, Maybe there'll be 
some commentary from the 

1180
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,600
showrunner on that or when we're
to clarify it. 

1181
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,680
What one kind of point to Shia 
is that they seem to be kind of 

1182
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,280
walking the line between whether
or not Arlen was really a good 

1183
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,760
person or not. 
And it might be the Arlen, even 

1184
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,280
if he is a good person and would
should could help, Dunk might 

1185
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,520
have been so drunk and out of it
that he barely acknowledged or 

1186
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,520
remembered that he was there. 
And maybe that makes him a bad 

1187
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,240
person that you can get yourself
so drunk that you're not doing 

1188
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,520
the right thing, you know? 
But. 

1189
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,640
Anyway, anyway, let's move on 
from that topic, y'all. 

1190
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,080
So what? 
Certainly there's no 

1191
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,600
disagreement on how it ends. 
He sees him there, and he 

1192
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,120
decides whether he's been 
noticed him there all along or 

1193
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,480
not. 
He definitely decides to help at

1194
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,080
that moment. 
And it's helping the weak one 

1195
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,440
way or the other. 
Whether he should have done it 

1196
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,440
sooner or not, he definitely 
does it here. 

1197
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,600
And it's the exact moment where 
it goes back to the action. 

1198
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,160
And it's pretty cool because in 
on one sense, I could see the 

1199
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,000
earlier argument at the pacing. 
On another sense, this lasts so 

1200
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,720
long that you almost kind of 
forget yours. 

1201
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,840
You've been sucked into this so 
long that it is kind of like, 

1202
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,760
oh, back to the action. 
Wow, that was pretty smooth. 

1203
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,960
You're out because you're the 
first few minutes you're like, 

1204
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,280
when is it going to transition 
back? 

1205
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,360
But then it's been several 
minutes and you kind of stop 

1206
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,360
thinking about. 
That lulls you into kind of a, 

1207
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,520
a, a sense of security or you 
forget completely. 

1208
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,720
At least I I did as well. 
Yeah, for me, absolutely. 

1209
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,280
I, I actually particular 
specifically like the pacing. 

1210
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,320
I remember one time, I mean, 
this has been like 20 years, I 

1211
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,480
read an analysis of like 
screenplay writing and pacing 

1212
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,640
and whatever. 
And it was based off a script 

1213
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,200
that Tim Burton had written for 
Superman that ended up not 

1214
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,960
getting made. 
But he started it off with this 

1215
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,160
action sequence. 
He started off with this fight 

1216
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,400
between General Zod and 
Superman. 

1217
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,760
And then you get from this, 
think of action, cut back to 

1218
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,880
whatever Superman's on the farm,
more dramatic, slow paced kind 

1219
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,120
of stuff. 
And then eventually it goes back

1220
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,360
up to action again. 
And I, I, I think that is a 

1221
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,240
method modern film makers have 
taken on pretty well. 

1222
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,720
Start off getting people's 
attention and action does that 

1223
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,920
pretty well and then smooth it 
out. 

1224
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,120
Get to a low flashback to what 
got you to the point of action 

1225
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,800
or whatever. 
I think that it is a common and 

1226
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,560
effective. 
Pacing, if you will, for screen 

1227
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,560
writing. 
You might be wondering how I got

1228
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,840
here. 
That kind of beat. 

1229
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,680
I don't think that's it's a 
screen writing thing. 

1230
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,760
I just think it's a storytelling
thing quite often. 

1231
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,800
Like I think you very often 
start off with something. 

1232
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,480
It's not going to be like 
visceral start, but it is you 

1233
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,040
can. 
You often have action or 

1234
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,600
something intensed then you turn
to. 

1235
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,520
Dial It Back has been doing that
since long before film was a was

1236
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,760
a medium. 
Yeah, certainly so, but it is 

1237
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,080
different in that sense. 
But, but it's a similar device. 

1238
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,320
Yeah. 
All right. 

1239
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,360
So Karina Strick sends a super 
chat and we appreciate that all 

1240
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,840
y'all's support. 
Let's take a second and then get

1241
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,720
back to the action, literally 
the action. 

1242
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,960
But first, let us discuss 
something that's we've been 

1243
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,080
bringing up every so often to 
you all. 

1244
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,080
It's a time for some action. 
For those of you who joined the 

1245
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,080
World Science Fiction Society 
upon our call to action or on 

1246
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,480
your own, you are now able to 
nominate. 

1247
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,040
You should have an e-mail with 
your ballot information. 

1248
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,240
You should nominate all the 
works you enjoyed. 

1249
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,680
Sure, you read and watched quite
a few of them. 

1250
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,840
Hopefully you did. 
If not, get on that good stuff. 

1251
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,640
Things eligible are things that 
came out in 2025 SA Night of the

1252
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,680
Seven Kingdoms would not be 
eligible. 

1253
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,400
Just to be clear for y'all 
right? 

1254
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,480
But plenty of things came out 
last year that I'm sure you 

1255
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,920
enjoyed. 
That's books, TV, movies, 

1256
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,040
comics, you know, video games. 
There's a lot of great 

1257
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:33,200
categories in the Hugo Awards. 
We personally are not eligible 

1258
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,400
in Best fan cast. 
Don't nominate us there. 

1259
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,120
We are eligible in the category 
Best related work. 

1260
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,640
We are suggesting our episode 
Ragnarok versus the Long Night 

1261
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,440
by History of Westeros to make 
it easier for y'all. 

1262
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,880
If you disagree and you just 
have an episode you'd rather 

1263
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,560
nominate, please, by all means 
do. 

1264
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,880
We will have the best shot if we
all choose one episode because 

1265
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,280
we have so many episodes. 
But you know, nominate other 

1266
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,840
best related works you like, 
nominate, you know, anything you

1267
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,200
like that's relevant. 
Check the eligibility rules if 

1268
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,480
you're in doubt, e-mail us if 
you're in doubt and want to know

1269
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,280
more about it. 
I like talking about the Hugo 

1270
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,840
Awards. 
I think it's a really awesome 

1271
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,760
award show. 
I like that they give you the, 

1272
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,840
the nominating all the 
nominations in a packet. 

1273
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,000
I think that's really cool. 
So you're going to get some 

1274
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,040
awesome stuff from it. 
Can I ask real quick is these I 

1275
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,920
understand, I guess I in my mind
Hugo words was for literature, 

1276
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,280
it was for written works. 
But you said TV shows also. 

1277
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:34,040
TV shows, movies, video games, 
comics, podcasts, you know that 

1278
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,920
yeah, the year that we went in 
Ireland. 

1279
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,360
Archive of our own Speaking of 
it as we talked about it 

1280
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,480
earlier, that's what won and 
best related work. 

1281
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,240
That's a website, that's a fan 
fiction website. 

1282
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:50,240
And in 2018, yeah, that was 29 
in 2019, that's what won the 

1283
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,240
best related work was a fan 
fiction website. 

1284
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,040
So no, it's it's quite varied 
actually. 

1285
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,800
And they gave and they owe a 
couple episodes of The Good 

1286
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,720
Place won awards there. 
So just to give you an idea of. 

1287
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,400
The. 
The scope goes from well known 

1288
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,040
things to independent stuff, 
yeah. 

1289
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,400
Can I go mention a couple quick 
things? 

1290
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,480
I'm wearing a Pluribus shirt 
right now. 

1291
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,400
Would that be eligible for a 
Hugo Award? 

1292
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,800
I hope so. 
I believe so. 

1293
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,440
Made in 20/20/2020. 
Five. 

1294
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:19,880
Yeah, I bet it's going to be 
nominated. 

1295
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,000
It would be nominated and you 
can nominate the whole I think 

1296
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,400
they they you can nominate 
something in long form as like 

1297
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,400
the whole season or short form 
as a single episode. 

1298
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,000
They have a little bit of 
flexibility. 

1299
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,720
So there could be ATV series 
that's nominated along with a 

1300
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,320
movie, actually, I believe, but 
you'd have to dig more into the 

1301
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,080
the rules to see what you can 
nominate. 

1302
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,960
But that is often the case is 
it's sometimes of course, people

1303
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,040
split the vote. 
They vote, they don't know what 

1304
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,200
episode to vote for of Pluribus.
So people vote for three 

1305
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,720
different episodes and none of 
them get nominated. 

1306
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,680
But you know, maybe there's an 
obvious one. 

1307
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,760
But yeah, you nominate it. 
Yeah. 

1308
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,080
Another minor thing, if I can 
throw this out, just a personal 

1309
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,400
thing. 
I've been working on a script 

1310
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:04,840
for a couple years at for ATV 
show and pilot is a entry for 

1311
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,880
the Atlanta Film Festival that 
we submitted to. 

1312
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,520
Me and a couple of my friends 
are working this together and 

1313
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,720
they told us that they've 
narrowed it down from 600 some 

1314
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,080
applicants to 32. 
I think they're going to pick 

1315
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,840
five to be actually nominated, 
but I feel good that we can put 

1316
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,280
in a target. 
And you'll find out pretty soon,

1317
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,000
right? 
Yeah, imminently I. 

1318
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,720
Think amazing. 
Hopefully next week we have 

1319
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,720
great news for you all. 
I like how well we've been 

1320
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,480
discussing this, this great 
opportunity for Sean. 

1321
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,200
We've just had Dunk lying there 
in the mud. 

1322
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,960
I this is one of my. 
Favorite shots in the whole show

1323
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,040
is why it's there. 
I think it's just like this 

1324
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,280
striking shot from the graphic. 
Novel too, right? 

1325
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,320
It's also. 
It is. 

1326
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,880
It is ripped straight from the 
graphic novels, truly, really, 

1327
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,960
the way he's kind of crumpled, 
but he still looks so big and so

1328
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,080
small at the same time, you know
what I mean? 

1329
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,520
Because his legs are all folded,
but his chest is. 

1330
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:54,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1331
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,280
I I do think I I left it on the 
shot for a reason because I like

1332
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,200
it so much. 
Also don't forget to pick up 1 

1333
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,360
of Ashea's tour shirts for 
Duncan Egg. 

1334
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,480
The I think it's a castle wall 
tour. 

1335
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,040
It's got every destination that 
we know of for Duncan Egg listed

1336
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,680
as tour dates. 
You can get it front and back or

1337
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,280
just just front and it looks 
awesome. 

1338
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,000
You see me wearing it in past 
streams. 

1339
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,880
The link is in the description. 
Now let's move on. 

1340
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,240
We've got a question from John 
Colorado. 

1341
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,400
Says given that the Dunk of the 
novellas is consistently treated

1342
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,680
by others, including Egg as a 
fully grown, physically imposing

1343
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,120
man rather than a boy, and the 
Dunk himself use Egg with a 

1344
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,720
mixture of adult responsibility,
protectiveness and occasional 

1345
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,160
exasperation, isn't the HBO 
castig actually more faithful to

1346
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,560
how their dynamic is written 
rather than the fan expectation 

1347
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:41,920
that Dunk should look like a 
teenager? 

1348
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,480
Yeah, that's a great point. 
Like Dunk is written as if he's 

1349
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,400
older than. 
So it's kind of like, actually 

1350
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,200
he's about 17. 
People are like, oh, wow, he 

1351
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:50,480
that's a good. 
You're right. 

1352
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,120
He is about. 
But he's he doesn't act that way

1353
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,120
partly because he's an orphan. 
He had to grow up quicker, which

1354
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,040
is a well established thing, not
only in in the real world, but 

1355
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,480
George makes a point of that to 
point that out in many places 

1356
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,040
that that people in his 
situation would have to grow up 

1357
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,440
quicker. 
So yeah, that's a very good 

1358
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:05,640
point. 
This is, you know, this is 

1359
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,800
basically the same character, 
even though the age has changed.

1360
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,120
Let's talk about the trial, the 
actual combat. 

1361
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:20,080
We as Sir Arlen says, get up, he
gets up, we're back inside 

1362
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,200
Dunke's helm. 
I, I appreciate what y'all were 

1363
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,200
saying before about the how much
that was a part of the intense 

1364
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,600
experience being in Dunke's 
helmet. 

1365
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,040
Y'all talk about the, the 
visuals there a bit, the sound 

1366
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,560
of his breathing, the muffled 
breathing. 

1367
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,400
I thought that was had a real 
effect on me just cuz he's the 

1368
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,640
desperation, the shortness of 
his breath and just to 

1369
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,320
claustrophobia of it all. 
You know how hard it is to see 

1370
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,560
what's going on and knowing that
he has no experience with this. 

1371
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:51,080
He's only ever trained this. 
He's never had a real fight in 

1372
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,720
nightly combat with a great helm
on. 

1373
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,720
This is the first time he's worn
this helm that he just bought. 

1374
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,760
So a repeating thing they show 
that I thought was very 

1375
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,240
effective was the scared dunk 
eyes where you just see his eyes

1376
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,200
and they're big and scared and 
he doesn't know what to do. 

1377
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,560
You see that several times. 
Eventually it becomes just dunk 

1378
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,840
eye because one of them is 
swollen shut, but it still 

1379
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,280
works. 
They're like write this one she 

1380
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,160
has on screen right now. 
Like he looks terrified. 

1381
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,800
That's and he should. 
It's scary. 

1382
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,400
Like, once again, we have a 
book. 

1383
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,240
It's a screen transition that's 
so precise and or nearly 

1384
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,800
identical that we can just read 
the novel scene to describe what

1385
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,000
happens in the show. 
Here it is. 

1386
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,920
Quote. 
The spiked ball whirled round 

1387
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:36,200
and round the sky and fell 
toward his head as fast as a 

1388
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:41,760
shooting star dunk rolled. 
Where he found the strength he 

1389
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,920
did not know, but he found it. 
He rolled into Aryan's legs, 

1390
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:52,080
threw a steel clad arm around 
his thigh, dragged him cursing 

1391
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,880
into the mud and rolled on top 
of him. 

1392
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,120
Let him swing his bloody Morning
Star now. 

1393
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,760
Yeah, Dunk gets some confidence 
there in that moment in his mind

1394
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,840
and in the show. 
I, I, it's, it's unclear in the 

1395
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,360
book whether he completely 
dodges or takes a glancing blow.

1396
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,480
He definitely takes a glancing 
blow here, but it's not enough 

1397
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,640
to slow him down. 
He's able to get close to Arian 

1398
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,760
and tackle him. 
Arian even gets in a few more 

1399
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,080
like one or two more shots with 
the Morningstar before Duncan 

1400
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,080
tackle him like hits him in like
the arm and. 

1401
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,439
Maycard tries to get involved 
and and and Baylor comes after 

1402
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,520
valor. 
He's at his armor is. 

1403
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,399
Putting Makar knocks him down 
once with his Mace, You're 

1404
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:27,800
right. 
Takes him out like flat in the 

1405
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,760
face. 
And then Baylor takes Makar off 

1406
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,359
his horse. 
Yeah, that was a really 

1407
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:34,319
exciting. 
I think there were a couple 

1408
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:39,319
moments in there where Dunk and 
Aaron took hits from some other.

1409
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:42,160
Passerby Oh yes, I I have a list
of that in a second. 

1410
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:43,640
Let's let's hold that off just 
for a second. 

1411
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,399
So a, a significant difference 
overall is there is more combat 

1412
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,080
in the book. 
Once Dunk gets the upper hand, 

1413
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,920
he doesn't lose it. 
He he gets it. 

1414
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,399
That's and it ends shortly 
afterwards. 

1415
01:08:55,399 --> 01:09:00,319
Here, Aaron's able to regain 
some parity and it's becomes a 

1416
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,359
close fight again for a little 
while until Dunk does eventually

1417
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,279
get the upper hand. 
But that's after he, you know, 

1418
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,040
looks like he's done and gets 
back up. 

1419
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:12,520
I think that's my one complaint 
is that I feel like Dunk took 

1420
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:17,600
too many blows, had too many 
injuries in this version that I 

1421
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,920
I was hard for me to suspend my 
disbelief a little bit. 

1422
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,000
It felt too much like plot armor
and I didn't feel like that in 

1423
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,279
the book version as much. 
I don't think he quite had so 

1424
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:30,080
many. 
I can sort of see where you're 

1425
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,720
coming from. 
I just, there's, I've just read 

1426
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,680
too many real world stories of 
people being shot like 12 times 

1427
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,000
in war and surviving. 
And people can survive 

1428
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,399
surprisingly often these things.
And a lot of people would die 

1429
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,560
from their wounds after this. 
So there is that. 

1430
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,960
But obviously he doesn't. 
But I'm not arguing with you, 

1431
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,000
but just I don't have a problem 
with it. 

1432
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,760
But I see what you're saying. 
I'm a little on the Shea side 

1433
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:57,080
here that I feel like probably 
what put it over the top for me 

1434
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,640
was when he threw the sword and 
it jammed into his thigh. 

1435
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,760
Like I it's hard for me to 
believe that that would happen 

1436
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,200
and. 
That's the least believable part

1437
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,880
I think too, yeah. 
The other one that bothered me 

1438
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,600
was and you named it as your 
most crunchy wound and for the 

1439
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,880
pole sake was when he got 
stabbed with the hand, because 

1440
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,480
that's something that like it 
it. 

1441
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,520
The thing is that I don't know, 
it's just the nature of these 

1442
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:23,720
actions scenes that it hurts 
like we want to see or we want. 

1443
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,640
I don't know what's the right 
word, but you know, the, the 

1444
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,400
presenters of the action want us
to see that the hero is hurt. 

1445
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,360
And we go, we cringe with them 
and we're scared for them and it

1446
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,920
makes them seem extra brave and 
tough to overcome it all. 

1447
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:40,440
But it's not just that it hurts,
it's it, it injuries you in the 

1448
01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:43,440
long term like that knife 
through the hand. 

1449
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,880
There's a strong chance did it 
cut the tendons to his fingers 

1450
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,680
and he can never use that hand 
again. 

1451
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,000
He can't bend his fingers in and
we don't. 

1452
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,000
Have to assume that it does, 
like, you know what I mean? 

1453
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,640
But it is clear there's an 
obvious chance that it doesn't. 

1454
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,160
So like. 
Bothers disease? 

1455
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,560
Is that like you have to suspend
your disbelief? 

1456
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,480
Don't, because there's a good 
chance it doesn't happen. 

1457
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:02,920
That's not like it's not an 
automatic. 

1458
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:03,960
This is. 
What we're saying, what we're 

1459
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,760
saying is that when it happens 
10 times, you have to, you have 

1460
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,760
to do that exactly. 
OK, zero times did it 

1461
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,600
permanently crippled it, right? 
Maybe the knife his hands don't 

1462
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,720
cut the tendons and maybe the 
Lance and his side doesn't 

1463
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,760
puncture his lung and maybe the 
cut that don't gets on Aaron's 

1464
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,280
inner thigh doesn't cut an 
artery but like 1 after another.

1465
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,440
None of these things have to 
cause a permanent serious wound 

1466
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:30,280
that cripples him for. 
Life OK, well we've kind of 

1467
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,120
moved the goal posts here we're 
talking about whether it would 

1468
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,040
kill him or not like whether 
he's permanent crippling 

1469
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,160
injuries is is different and I 
can kind of see that maybe he 

1470
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,600
would that doesn't mean he can't
function or go throughout his 

1471
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,040
life well. 
I'm talking about about that it 

1472
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,760
would kill him. 
That it is that I have to 

1473
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,200
suspend my disbelief about how 
he functions and not only just 

1474
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,520
that it doesn't kill him, but 
that he isn't, that he is able 

1475
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,040
to pull himself together and 
continue moving and fighting and

1476
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:55,440
all of those things. 
This is where I go back to the 

1477
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:58,120
argument about adrenaline. 
Like mothers who have, who are, 

1478
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,480
you know, no upper body strength
at all can lift the car off 

1479
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:03,440
their child in a moment of 
extreme adrenaline. 

1480
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,480
So I think people are really 
capable of what they're much 

1481
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,880
more beyond what they're 
normally capable of when life 

1482
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,160
and death is at stake, 
especially when there's more 

1483
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,600
than life and death. 
That's taken in terms of Dunk's.

1484
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,080
Position here. 
My only point is that I would be

1485
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:19,120
just as on the edge of my seat 
and and stomach in my throat if 

1486
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,080
it had been half the number of 
times I would have found it just

1487
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,160
as exciting. 
Sure, sure. 

1488
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,080
That's it. 
That's all. 

1489
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,240
I don't argue with that, but I 
don't. 

1490
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:27,320
I don't. 
Yeah. 

1491
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,400
I'm just quibbling with the idea
that you have to suspend 

1492
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:30,240
disbelief. 
Not that you. 

1493
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:31,520
I mean, it's your choice to do 
that. 

1494
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,600
I just, I feel like this is all 
within the realm of someone 

1495
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,760
could survive and not have 
permanent injuries that are 

1496
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,120
crippling. 
Maybe permanent injuries but not

1497
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,120
crippling injuries. 
Anyway, let's move on from that.

1498
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,680
There's this interesting yield 
edit when Dunk is losing 

1499
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:45,960
consciousness. 
I thought one thing they did 

1500
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,720
really well was show that he's 
quite clearly taken a 

1501
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,520
concussion. 
Like, his head is is ringing. 

1502
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:58,280
He's wobbly and doesn't know 
where things are. 

1503
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,080
You know, he's confused. 
That's very signs of a 

1504
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,040
concussion. 
Now, in the novel. 

1505
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,520
Yeah, in the novel, there's 
signs of a concussion, too, but 

1506
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,040
no one knows that word. 
He's just, like, confused. 

1507
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,280
He can't remember everything. 
He has to have some things 

1508
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,320
explained to him. 
Some of it gets skipped over 

1509
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,560
because it's his internal 
monologue. 

1510
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,520
Anyway. 
Yeah, I think that's pretty, 

1511
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:23,200
pretty clear that he has. 
His head's not quite right there

1512
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,200
anymore. 
Yeah, I thought it was very well

1513
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,080
acted. 
That's really what put me over 

1514
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:32,920
the edge with is just like the 
the body language and the the 

1515
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,680
way he was. 
He was like he said he felt like

1516
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:41,120
he was dying or drunk and he was
like moving as if he was drunk, 

1517
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,800
you know. 
And I I thought that was well 

1518
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,160
done. 
Yeah, I, I want to give credit 

1519
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,760
to, to not just the acting with 
the music and the editing and 

1520
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:51,120
everything. 
It kind of that the sound 

1521
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,040
effects, you know, where things 
are sort of muffled and ringing 

1522
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,560
and did a really good job of 
showing he's like barely 

1523
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,560
conscious, barely standing, but 
still has this focus. 

1524
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,560
It is, you know, the, the fight,
if the fight or fight or flight 

1525
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,960
is still keeping him focused on 
not dying because that that is 

1526
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,600
The thing is that his life is on
the line. 

1527
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,680
Aryan is no joke. 
You know, we've talked in the 

1528
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,680
past about what his competence 
level or courage might have been

1529
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:18,880
way. 
He is a formidable, well 

1530
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:23,520
trained, aggressive, quick, 
tough opponent and Dunc is lucky

1531
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,080
to be in this at all. 
Look at how he looks in this 

1532
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,440
shot from Dunc's visor. 
How like, scary and demonic and 

1533
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,400
like, intense. 
Like, you just see, like, his 

1534
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,200
eyes. 
And this is when he's trying to 

1535
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,720
gouge out one of Dunc's eyes and
he doesn't quite, you know, he 

1536
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,760
just kind of hits him a little 
bit, but he doesn't really get 

1537
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,480
him. 
But it's really was terrifying. 

1538
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,440
This was like a reversal of of 
the book because in the book 

1539
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:46,160
Dunc's thinks about how the 
visor is the weak point and he's

1540
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,720
going to try to aim for of that,
but Aryan and here is the one 

1541
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:50,440
that gets to the the visor 
twice. 

1542
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,440
You know, it it almost possibly 
would have been better off if he

1543
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:59,040
could have punctured because 
Dunk had so much swelling in his

1544
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,920
eye. 
Like this reminded me this whole

1545
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,280
thing reminded me a lot of 
Rocky. 

1546
01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:05,160
You know, they're just like 
wailing on each other to 

1547
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,320
exhaustion. 
It starts off Apollo Creed is 

1548
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,720
the more skill, but Rocky's more
tough and they just won't stop 

1549
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:15,280
and neither can believe the 
other still going and and, you 

1550
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,680
know, but in a boxing match when
their eyes swell like that, they

1551
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,360
have trainers, modern medicine, 
you know, even for whatever 1975

1552
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,760
compared to this time period, 
you know, they know that to cut 

1553
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,560
that open to relieve the blood 
and the swelling and a patch it 

1554
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,160
back up. 
But Dunk's eye was just swollen 

1555
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,240
shut. 
And if Arian had been able to 

1556
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,200
puncture his eyelid, it might 
have been a relief to Dunk, 

1557
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,760
honestly. 
Little puncture slightly. 

1558
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,960
Yeah, absolutely. 
And then he takes his helmet off

1559
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,880
and I think it's part of what 
you're part of because of that 

1560
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,040
swelling perhaps, and maybe some
other swelling because he he'd 

1561
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,960
taken several blows to the head 
at that point. 

1562
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,560
Because he he remember with the 
visor it's hard to see already 

1563
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,240
and now with his eyes swollen 
shut he just he can't keep 

1564
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,240
fighting. 
He's effectively blind and in a 

1565
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,760
book if I remember his mud in 
his eye too, he had to take it 

1566
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,280
off to clear the mud out of his 
eyes. 

1567
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,920
I liked Dunk going for Aryan's 
crotch because it made me think 

1568
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,000
of Aryan just talking to Eggs 
going to make a sister out of 

1569
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,800
him that Dunk was going to make 
a sister. 

1570
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,040
That's hilarious you. 
Know I was really like, I wish 

1571
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,400
that he could just, you know, 
castrate him right there and I 

1572
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,320
would never have kids. 
We know it obviously doesn't 

1573
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,760
really do that, but I was 
rooting for it. 

1574
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,680
So, yeah, you can imagine that 
Aryan is like bleeding inside 

1575
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,120
his armor there, just like Dunk 
even more clearly is. 

1576
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,920
We have scattered shots here and
there. 

1577
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,400
There's not much, not much else 
you can see that's going on. 

1578
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,480
Every once in a while you can 
see a few things. 

1579
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:38,600
But just like the novel, Dunk 
can't see much of what else is 

1580
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,640
going on because the helmet, the
fog, the fact that he's focused 

1581
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,080
on Aryan, and the fact that the 
story is mostly through his 

1582
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,400
point of view, we see. 
That great moment that you 

1583
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,920
brought up Aziz with Makar, I 
have it on screen right now 

1584
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:55,240
where he, he, he tries to run 
and save Aryan, you know, my boy

1585
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:59,840
and and Baylor and Lionel, you 
can see his, his broken antler 

1586
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:04,080
helm up there and he's got 
yellow clothing. 

1587
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,960
And if you see the immediate 
shots beforehand, you see him 

1588
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,320
rear up because it's a part of 
that. 

1589
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,880
He's tries to stop him. 
Make our steps his horse and he 

1590
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,440
falls over and his helm breaks. 
Yeah. 

1591
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,320
I I even trying to figure it 
out, I was like, well, I know 

1592
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,280
that's not Lionel because he 
doesn't have the antlers. 

1593
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:22,480
But and I, I thought that little
kind of cross hook thing, which 

1594
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:25,640
is clearly now I see the the 
remnants of the broken off 

1595
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,920
panel. 
I thought that was just some 

1596
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,920
debris or something in the 
background or something. 

1597
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,680
But yeah, I see. 
A horse who flying by, a 

1598
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,120
horseshoe flying by. 
Yeah, I I thought that was 

1599
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,680
really well done in part, too, 
because it's a reminder, as what

1600
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,360
I said earlier, that I wanted to
speak to more. 

1601
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,080
Now there's they're not trying 
to kill each other. 

1602
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,240
Most of them, Baylor and Makar 
are not trying to kill each 

1603
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,360
other. 
The Kingsguard are maybe trying 

1604
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,480
to kill the people that come at 
them in the joust because 

1605
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:53,720
otherwise they will get killed. 
But other than that, their role 

1606
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,560
is different. 
Baylor points out that hey, 

1607
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,480
they, my brother screwed up by 
adding the Kingsguard because 

1608
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,000
they'll have to fight me and 
they can't fight me. 

1609
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,160
But that's not the best 
explanation. 

1610
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,480
It's partly true, but the missed
thing that Baylor doesn't 

1611
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:10,040
explain there is that the 
Kingsguards role there is not to

1612
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,880
win the trial. 
Their goal is not to win the 

1613
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,120
trial. 
They'd like that they're but if 

1614
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,280
their primary goal is to protect
the Targaryens and there's four 

1615
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,800
Targaryens on the field, one of 
them's on the other side and 

1616
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,080
there's only three of them, it's
a really hard task they have. 

1617
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,880
So like, it's hard for them to 
care about Aryan because even 

1618
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,200
though he's the trial, he's the 
4th most important of those 

1619
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,560
Targaryens, He's the 4th in the 
line of succession. 

1620
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,120
So there's only three of them 
and there's 4 Targaryens and 

1621
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,800
Aryan's the least important. 
So you can, if you were 

1622
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,480
wondering why the Kingsguard 
don't ever get involved with 

1623
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:46,160
Duncan Aryan, that's why. 
They also probably think he's 

1624
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:47,520
the most safe. 
They're like, oh, he's fighting 

1625
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:48,680
a hedge knight, he's probably 
fine. 

1626
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,920
Right, He's he's facing the 
least renowned opponent, right. 

1627
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,760
I guess maybe we're fighting 
there the. 

1628
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,960
Kingsguard also low key hate 
Aryan and so they're like you 

1629
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,360
know, it works out. 
Like it does make sense. 

1630
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,680
They have the excuse, but they 
probably aren't too bothered. 

1631
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,320
You can imagine that make makers
when you ordered them to fight. 

1632
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,560
He's probably like my stupid ass
son brought us into this. 

1633
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,760
You know he already called him 
an idiot in front of you know, 

1634
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,400
like the Kingsguard probably 
aren't ignorant of that. 

1635
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,240
They're probably aren't like, 
OK, yeah, we're nothing out of 

1636
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,120
the ordinary here. 
We're fighting in a trial by 7, 

1637
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,960
you know, that's never happened 
since 150 years ago, blah, blah,

1638
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:25,640
blah. 
Yeah. 

1639
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:31,240
One of my favorite shots and 
sounds in the episode moments is

1640
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,920
Arian here when he when they 
with like the kind of dreamy 

1641
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:40,160
haziness of when Arian yells, 
yields, you know, and he he 

1642
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,360
roars it. 
He sounds like it sounds like a 

1643
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,440
Dragon's roar is like mixed in 
with his voice, like the element

1644
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:48,680
it has to it. 
It also reminds me, Speaking of 

1645
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:53,600
Dune, of the voice in Dune. 
It sounds a lot like it to me 

1646
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,040
that he's trying to do that. 
Wow. 

1647
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:56,720
If he had voice dude, Dunk would
have yielded. 

1648
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,080
Yeah, yeah. 
It didn't occur to me, by the 

1649
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,640
way, that. 
Probably Makar and Baylor gave 

1650
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,840
the Kingsguard some sort of 
instructions about this, right? 

1651
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:08,560
And. 
Maybe, although they wouldn't 

1652
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:09,960
have needed much instructions 
anyway. 

1653
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,800
But yeah, you're probably right.
But as far as like who to guard 

1654
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,600
or what this is really about or 
you don't need to kill anyone. 

1655
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,760
Or you know, I can imagine him 
giving some. 

1656
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:22,200
I can also even imagine Makar 
having told the Kingsguard, Let 

1657
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,920
Aryan fight his own fight, you 
know, don't let he know he he 

1658
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,880
started this. 
He needs to be his own man. 

1659
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,480
He's trying to get out of having
a face dunk on his own. 

1660
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,680
And then maybe when and and 
Maker probably also is assuming 

1661
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,040
Aaron will win. 
Like, why would you be a coward?

1662
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,320
You can beat this nameless guy. 
Yeah, he he's win. 

1663
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:40,960
Expecting A1 on one Yeah, 
suddenly he's. 

1664
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,520
Struggling maker's like crap, my
son, no. 

1665
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,760
Yeah, so, well, I, I agree with 
you about Makar instructing the 

1666
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,120
Kings guard. 
I'm not sure about Baylor, 

1667
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,120
though, because Baylor shows up,
joins the trial and then it 

1668
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:53,920
starts. 
There's no moment for him to go 

1669
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,160
talk to them. 
Well, he might have done it like

1670
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,720
the night before or something. 
I'm not confident about this, 

1671
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,880
but I can imagine it. 
Yeah, I don't know about that, 

1672
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,600
but you're right. 
It's it's not impossible, but I 

1673
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,000
I'm I'm guessing, I would guess 
no on that but either. 

1674
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,400
Way they might have even come to
him saying are we really doing 

1675
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:08,520
this? 
How should we handle it? 

1676
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,680
You know, I guess. 
It's like while Raymond's 

1677
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,520
painting his shield or 
something, sure, there's there's

1678
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,480
some moments we don't see. 
It's definitely possible. 

1679
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,560
Yeah. 
Overall, I just appreciate how 

1680
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:22,600
desperate and exhaustive and 
ungraceful and this whole thing 

1681
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,000
was. 
And we, we're so used to 

1682
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,000
graceful combat, you know, 
flowing, athletic, acrobatic 

1683
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:32,320
maneuvers, a lot more things 
like that thrown sword moment, 

1684
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,560
you know, that was the, where it
kind of maybe jumped the shark 

1685
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,320
slightly. 
But other than that, it was just

1686
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,480
very gritty. 
And like I, I, that's not even a

1687
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:40,840
complaint. 
It's, it was so good. 

1688
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:45,120
The only kind of TV fight I can 
think of that's similar is the 

1689
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,840
Season 3 of Deadwood has a 
street fight that's really 

1690
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,520
similarly brutal and just two 
people going at it and it's 

1691
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,600
just, they're not trying to be 
glamorous at all. 

1692
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,400
It's really nasty. 
And that's, that's what happens.

1693
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,320
Season 3, yeah. 
Also, really we talked about at 

1694
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,920
the beginning, Sean did a bit 
talking about Dexter Sol 

1695
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,960
Ansela's egg, but he did a great
job here. 

1696
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:10,240
His reactions all throughout it 
that we see where he you know, 

1697
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:15,280
his his his upset face, his 
large projecting voice. 

1698
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:16,560
He'll be good on the 
battlefield. 

1699
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,360
He's very he was very good at 
that. 

1700
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,480
And I thought Dexter nailed it. 
And also shout out to Rowan 

1701
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:30,320
Robinson as Red, who's up there.
And I'll note that she's in the 

1702
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,840
same side of the sands as egg 
because she's there as man for 

1703
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,640
Dondarians guest. 
And that's the like extended 

1704
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,400
family of the Targaryens. 
You could tell because man for 

1705
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,840
is related to them eggs related 
to them too. 

1706
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,520
Anyways, So it's kind of 
adjacent to royalty, but she's 

1707
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,440
up there and she goes. 
Come on that. 

1708
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,640
Was one of my favorite. 
Moments that's going to be memed

1709
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,920
Also, I think the one person 
standing up like me at whatever 

1710
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,840
people are going to say that use
that as like me as the one 

1711
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,600
person at the convention or 
whatever, I don't know. 

1712
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:02,720
Can I say another thing? 
I I kept waiting for Egg to say 

1713
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:04,760
get him, he's right there. 
Get. 

1714
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:05,720
Him. 
We didn't get that. 

1715
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,360
That's too bad. 
He didn't say it there, though. 

1716
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:12,280
I I checked, I went back. 
He said it when Aaron was in the

1717
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:15,720
joules against Humphrey Harding.
Well, that's that's when he says

1718
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,800
kill him. 
And in the show he says kill 

1719
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,840
him. 
Right in the book he said get 

1720
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,640
him, but he just said get him. 
He didn't say he's right there 

1721
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,600
in the show. 
He said kill him and in this 

1722
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,520
battle at the end he never said 
that. 

1723
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,880
He says it in in future books 
and he said the get them part in

1724
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,000
the beginning. 
But I would at first I was upset

1725
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,120
that they didn't include that, 
but I went back and checked. 

1726
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,520
They didn't miss it. 
He didn't actually say it there.

1727
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,840
So it's mostly Season 2 and 3, 
then? 

1728
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,040
Yeah. 
OK. 

1729
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,840
I I I guess I must remember that
too. 

1730
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:42,520
Cool. 
All right. 

1731
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,000
Well that's good then. 
Yeah, the bar is really low for 

1732
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,320
realistic combat, so I just 
really appreciate the effort to 

1733
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,240
make it more that type, even 
though we don't know. 

1734
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:53,600
Like, no, but literally nobody 
knows what medieval or pseudo 

1735
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,000
medieval combat really looks 
like. 

1736
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:59,560
Let's always remember that 
nobody has ever seen it, only 

1737
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,280
reenactments, movies and the 
best we can do. 

1738
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:03,880
And a lot of times it's not the 
best we can do. 

1739
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:05,600
But yeah. 
So I want to say something about

1740
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,280
about Aryan that I thought was 
really well done. 

1741
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,840
He he thinks it's over. 
He yells, it's over. 

1742
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,360
He's dead. 
OK, So what happens to you in 

1743
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,000
that moment? 
If you're Aryan in that moment, 

1744
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,880
all you think you've won. 
Your adrenaline fades. 

1745
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,560
It's over as he's yelling. 
It's over. 

1746
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,920
And then Dunk gets back up and 
like, your body physically is 

1747
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,760
like, I have to. 
So his exhaustion really showed.

1748
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:30,360
He really would be that 
exhausted. 

1749
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,880
And that just, I can't even 
barely pick my sword up off the 

1750
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,440
ground. 
I, I was just like, I'm done. 

1751
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:36,320
It's over. 
I won. 

1752
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,000
And then this guy gets back up 
and he can't. 

1753
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,240
Like, how do you get your 
adrenaline going again, you 

1754
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,760
know? 
Yeah, I thought they really 

1755
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,640
showed that on his face right 
here in his body language, in 

1756
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,360
the way that they kind of limped
and kind of Lombard over to each

1757
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,360
other. 
And yeah, you could see it in 

1758
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,240
both of them. 
But Ariad really was like. 

1759
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,040
He looked like human, not like a
villain for a split second, you 

1760
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,520
know? 
He struggled to even just like 

1761
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,680
bend back down and pick his 
sword up. 

1762
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,240
He you. 
I think he literally even 

1763
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,880
stumbled and fell to his knee 
and had to push himself back up 

1764
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,240
up. 
And remember, he's also lost 

1765
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,880
blood. 
He, you know, at probably 

1766
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,520
whatever adrenaline is still 
going and probably still 

1767
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,920
adrenaline is going in them, but
it's probably just keeping them 

1768
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:19,320
breathing and standing. 
Remember that the armor itself 

1769
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,760
they're wearing, just putting 
that on and walking around, it's

1770
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,360
probably near their own body 
weight, right? 

1771
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:29,080
It's probably 100 lbs of metal, 
like modern times. 

1772
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:33,440
In this TV show, it would be 
plastic and fiberglass and, you 

1773
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:37,360
know, perfectly formed and fit 
and, you know, maybe, you know, 

1774
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,680
the Royals can get it 
blacksmiths and whatever to fit 

1775
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,920
them just right, but they can't 
make it out of plastic 

1776
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,280
fiberglass. 
It's still going to weigh a. 100

1777
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,600
lbs, I think 60 is the 60 is 
more accurate, Sean like a 

1778
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,720
hundreds whatever, just we're 
just estimating, but sixty I 

1779
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,440
think is the actual close like a
full suit of late mail. 

1780
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,240
I know that's a ton. 
It's also the people back then 

1781
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:58,960
were a little small and not this
is not back then. 

1782
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,800
I hate when people say that and 
apply it to Game of Thrones. 

1783
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,480
It's not back then, but in the 
equivalent of back then, yes, 

1784
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,280
people were smaller too. 
So. 

1785
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,480
And there's that. 
Like nutritionists and workout 

1786
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:11,240
guys or. 
Especially not for hedge nights.

1787
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:14,600
So, yeah. 
So I really thought. 

1788
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,640
So hats off to Finn Bennett here
for his his role here. 

1789
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,280
Also, like in the final moment, 
you can see, like you said, he 

1790
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:21,800
was exhausted. 
He has to pick his sword up. 

1791
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,000
And he's like, you come at me, 
I'm not going to come at you, 

1792
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,520
come at me. 
And you can see what he's doing.

1793
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,480
He's got a strategy. 
He's waiting for Dunk to miss so

1794
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,200
he can strike him on the head 
because he doesn't have his 

1795
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,640
helmet anymore. 
And Dunk leans into that and and

1796
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,560
turns his head to catch his 
strike on the gorge. 

1797
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,920
It right here, which is a great 
spot to catch it because it's a 

1798
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,800
it's just pure thick steel. 
And then he's able to wrestle 

1799
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,760
him again and that's it. 
Then it gets back to the book 

1800
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,840
scene where he's smashing his 
helm and finishes very similarly

1801
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,040
from. 
There, that's dunk strategy too,

1802
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,760
is he doesn't want to spar 
swords, he wants to wrestle. 

1803
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,360
He wants him to get in close and
take him down to the ground. 

1804
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,920
Yeah, so early. 
When in this shot I have here, 

1805
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:03,040
when he's beating Aaron with the
Shields, you know, also really 

1806
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,880
good acting by Finn Bennett 
because there's like this moment

1807
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,960
where he looks away, like he 
looks to the side, like out to 

1808
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,200
like everyone who's watching 
him, where he like I think he he

1809
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:16,720
really thinks like do I do I 
humiliate myself here by 

1810
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,600
yielding or do I let him kill 
me? 

1811
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,960
Like, I think you can see that 
he is wrestling with that shame 

1812
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,400
that he's about to face, and he 
ultimately is a coward who wants

1813
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,160
to live. 
Yeah, yeah, I agree. 

1814
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,920
Also I want to. 
Point out two things that I 

1815
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,520
think are are very interesting 
here from both the writing and 

1816
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:39,760
acting perspective, He says. 
He doesn't say I yield. 

1817
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:43,120
He can't bring himself to yield.
He says I withdraw my 

1818
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,280
accusation. 
It's like, I guess maybe he 

1819
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,480
didn't do what I said, but I 
don't yield. 

1820
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,880
He's not better than me. 
I'm just going to withdraw my 

1821
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,040
accusation. 
Powerful to me like he says I 

1822
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,760
yield to dunk privately, but 
then publicly, not just I yield,

1823
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:03,400
I withdraw my accusation, which 
has so much more meaning and so 

1824
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:10,320
much more like effect about like
no, I was a liar I I I was wrong

1825
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:11,960
right like that, that. 
Implies. 

1826
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,280
But in a way, I agree. 
But I still think it's more 

1827
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,280
embarrassing him for him to 
admit that guy's a better 

1828
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:20,840
knight, that guy's a better 
fighter. 

1829
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,560
I've lost him in combat. 
I think he's trying to avoid 

1830
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,080
that admission by saying, all 
right, I withdraw my accusation.

1831
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:28,000
There's an element of that, I 
think. 

1832
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,000
Yeah, it's it's, I think. 
So I could see this. 

1833
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,080
The other thing I want to add is
that he just got smashed in the 

1834
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,320
face over and over again. 
He says it. 

1835
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,200
It's like he's working around 
swollen lips. 

1836
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,240
He says, oh, who are my 
accusation? 

1837
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,520
You know what I mean? 
Like, I think he doesn't quite 

1838
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,000
speak clearly because his mouth 
is smashed up. 

1839
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,680
And I thought that was a really 
good touch too. 

1840
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:52,760
So earlier we talked about some 
moments where other people got 

1841
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:54,880
involved in their combat. 
It's mostly just those two 

1842
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,560
fighting each other, but there 
are a few moments where people 

1843
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,240
interfere. 
We still, we talked about the 

1844
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:03,680
one where Makar gets him in the 
face riding by and you can kind 

1845
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,360
of see the damage on Dunk's 
helmet later. 

1846
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,120
He's got like a big chunk 
missing. 

1847
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,240
It might be from the Morning 
Star, but it might be from 

1848
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,480
Makar's Mace. 
That's not from the book. 

1849
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:13,200
No one interferes at all in the 
book. 

1850
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:14,800
There's only minor interference 
here. 

1851
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,400
Meanwhile, Aryan gets knocked 
off Dunk when they're on the 

1852
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,920
ground and I'm pretty sure 
that's Raymond that knocks Aryan

1853
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,240
off. 
And then that person who I think

1854
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,360
is Raymond is immediately 
unhorsed by Stefan, who I'm sure

1855
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,240
it was Stefan, which that's why 
it kind of makes sense that it 

1856
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,960
would be Raymond, not just 
partly because Raymond of almost

1857
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:36,040
everybody would be the one most 
concerned about Dunk and because

1858
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:37,800
he would be facing off against 
Stefan. 

1859
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:42,800
So that all makes sense. 
So even though the tragedy 

1860
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,040
happens, oh, here's a shot of 
it. 

1861
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,080
Here's we can see the green 
apple. 

1862
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:45,880
There it is. 
Look at that. 

1863
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,280
You can quite clearly see 
Raymond's armor, very 

1864
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,920
distinctive Gendry like armor. 
Sorry Podrick like armor and. 

1865
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,840
And Stefan's fancy apple. 
Armor. 

1866
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,480
Very fancy Apple armor. 
Yeah. 

1867
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,920
And again, as I said before, 
people don't want to kill each 

1868
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:00,160
other. 
And this is another example. 

1869
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,360
Yeah. 
Stefan Raymond doesn't want to 

1870
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,080
kill Stefan. 
He wants to beat him and hurt 

1871
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:04,800
him. 
In the book. 

1872
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,440
He's like, I hope I broke some 
of his ribs. 

1873
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,000
And Stefan does not want to kill
Raymond as much as a villain as 

1874
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,360
he is. 
That was made it clear very 

1875
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,600
early on, and it doesn't even 
need to be made clear. 

1876
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,240
Westeros is very strict about 
Kinsling. 

1877
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,200
And it's been been pointed out 
that this is going to be a 

1878
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:20,920
famous thing no matter what 
happens. 

1879
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:22,560
This trial 7 is going to be 
famous. 

1880
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,440
Is that what you want, to be 
made famous at a trial where you

1881
01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:29,040
killed your own family? 
That is not what you want. 

1882
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,520
If you're a Westerosi. 
No, you don't want that at all. 

1883
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,160
So Stefan is not trying to kill 
Raymond. 

1884
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,080
Raymond's not country Stefan. 
They're just trying to take each

1885
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,200
other out. 
So that very much tracks. 

1886
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,400
And it's fits in with the whole 
thing of so many of them aren't 

1887
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,160
trying to kill each other for 
the same reason the Kingsguard 

1888
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,000
aren't trying to kill the 
Targaryens, Targaryens aren't 

1889
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,000
trying to kill the Kingsguard. 
The Targaryens aren't trying to 

1890
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,440
kill each other. 
And for the most part, dunks 

1891
01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:54,760
other side aren't trying to kill
Makar and Deron's just lying 

1892
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,720
there on the ground like they 
don't really want to kill each 

1893
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,520
other. 
So that's, you know, getting 

1894
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,800
back to that a little bit. 
Let's talk about the crowd a 

1895
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,880
little bit with the the moment 
where dunks getting back up. 

1896
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,160
We talked about that from, you 
know, we get more Sir Arlen, but

1897
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:10,240
and and eggs epic, you know, get
up, Sir, get up. 

1898
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,280
But the crowd was saying up, up,
up as you start to do it. 

1899
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:18,320
And that was nice because some 
of you all may know if, unless 

1900
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,800
if you listen to our preview 
episode for this one, that Ira 

1901
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,120
Parker just straight up 
admitted, y'all, I screwed up. 

1902
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:26,320
I didn't include the line about 
who are they to me? 

1903
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,720
Who who am I to them? 
A knight who remembered his 

1904
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,120
vows. 
He just didn't include that he 

1905
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:31,680
meant to include it. 
He said it was an earlier 

1906
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,400
version of the script. 
So this is sort of like that. 

1907
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,920
This is the crowd getting into 
it for Dunk, the whole crowd. 

1908
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,000
It kind of replaces Dunk saying 
that the Thunder in the book, 

1909
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,920
but we also got that moment of 
Egg getting Thunder to charge 

1910
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,560
initially when Thunder is when 
Dunk freezes up at the 

1911
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,040
beginning. 
And that kind of calls back to 

1912
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,720
Episode 3 where AG is training 
with Thunder in the morning. 

1913
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,040
So yeah, like that. 
Let's see. 

1914
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,920
People were asking about whether
we saw the moment and I do have 

1915
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:02,800
it on screen. 
Yeah, so there's two moments. 

1916
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,360
One is less important, but Shay 
is bringing the important one up

1917
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:05,880
on screen. 
You can. 

1918
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,440
You can also see the moment 
where make our breaks the front 

1919
01:32:10,440 --> 01:32:13,960
of Baylor's helm because his 
visor is cracked from the front 

1920
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,480
and from the back. 
So the back, of course, you can 

1921
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:18,760
see the back blow, right? 
I guess Shay is putting it up 

1922
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:19,280
right now. 
Yeah. 

1923
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,480
And this was actually visible in
the trailer. 

1924
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,800
So if you knew what to look for,
you could see this moment. 

1925
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,720
You know what makes this moment 
extra sad? 

1926
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:28,840
This is not made clear in the 
book. 

1927
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:32,720
It's not made not clear either. 
But see how he's dragonary and 

1928
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,920
across the ground? 
It's over. 

1929
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,600
That's when Baylor takes the 
blow to his head. 

1930
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,640
It's already over. 
It's just nobody knows it yet 

1931
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,960
except the two main guys. 
So that's like just a little 

1932
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,480
extra note of really did not 
have to happen, which just 

1933
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:50,520
becomes the a big part of 
episode 6 dunk like why did this

1934
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,280
happen? 
Why why you know? 

1935
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,680
So this makes it hit a little 
harder. 

1936
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,120
The fact that it was done, it 
was over. 

1937
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,400
Yeah, it makes it so much more 
tragic, but boy, what a great 

1938
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:01,880
shot. 
What great imagery. 

1939
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:06,320
So satisfying of Dunk dragging 
Aryan through the mud there, 

1940
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,720
just still just able to just 
pull him. 

1941
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,080
Also reminded me of Damon and 
and the crab feeder. 

1942
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:14,160
Right on? 
He asked. 

1943
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,640
The dragon. 
And of course that is what 

1944
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,200
happens in the book. 
He does drag him to the viewing 

1945
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:18,400
stand. 
Very similar. 

1946
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:23,400
Here's a line from the book also
that is ominous in retrospect. 

1947
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,720
When he's looking around as he's
dragging Aryan, or just before 

1948
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,880
he starts dragging, he takes 
stock of what's happening around

1949
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:29,920
him. 
It's one of the few times he's 

1950
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,280
able to look at the other action
on the field. 

1951
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:36,160
It says Mace, battle axe and 
longsword clashed and clanged, 

1952
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:38,960
ringing against helm and shield.
Yeah. 

1953
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:39,760
Helm. 
All right. 

1954
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:45,480
Yeah. 
The dragon was dead, but you 

1955
01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:48,160
were alive. 
Our last section, the the death 

1956
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:51,720
of Baylor, it was well done. 
It stuck extremely close to the 

1957
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:55,200
source material, as so much else
of the season did, while taking 

1958
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:59,280
full advantage of what TV can do
that books can't Visceral grief,

1959
01:33:59,480 --> 01:34:03,880
anguished words, crying, and our
own attachment to the 

1960
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:05,840
performances building up through
the season. 

1961
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,000
You know, like we get a little 
more personal with the 

1962
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,200
characters when we learn about 
them in a different way, when we

1963
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,760
see them in a different way, 
when we visualize them, when we 

1964
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,920
hear the sound of their voices. 
They become more human because, 

1965
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:19,600
well, they literally are instead
of imagine people on a book. 

1966
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,000
They really are. 
They're not really the 

1967
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,760
characters they're portraying, 
but we really see them. 

1968
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,320
They're real people, and that 
means something. 

1969
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:27,920
As we said earlier, Dunk is 
concussed. 

1970
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,360
It's the clues are there in the 
in the book. 

1971
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,120
It's a little more obvious here,
which makes sense because you 

1972
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,800
can't hear his inner thoughts, 
which are also very jumbled. 

1973
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:39,600
But in the book he's in 
horrible, horrible pain and 

1974
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,800
desperation. 
But you know, the narration, the

1975
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,720
narrator isn't like slipping and
crying or whatever. 

1976
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,840
It's so it's still like the the 
level of visceral is different. 

1977
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,640
Now you all know I don't have to
explain the difference between 

1978
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:56,960
audio and and visual, but or, or
or book and and show. 

1979
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:00,400
But it's interesting to take 
note of how it was used here and

1980
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,200
so effectively, in addition to 
how well it stuck to what was 

1981
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:05,640
already a perfectly written 
scene. 

1982
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,920
As usual, Dunk is firstly 
concerned about everybody else, 

1983
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,160
even though he's in massive 
pain. 

1984
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,200
And everybody else is like, oh 
man, look at the rings jammed in

1985
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,040
here by the Lance, which is 
straight from the book. 

1986
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,960
They tell. 
He asks who else is dead. 

1987
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,280
Like we, like we said before, 
it's very similar. 

1988
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,680
He's told that Beesbury and 
Humphrey and Harding are killed,

1989
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,600
and the book Harding just dies a
few days later. 

1990
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,280
He finds in the book, he asks 
about Deron here. 

1991
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,600
He does not ask about Deron. 
They just skip over that, partly

1992
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:33,800
because it's an internal 
narrative. 

1993
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,760
These happen. 
He's like a dragon must have 

1994
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:38,720
died, right, because of the 
prophecy. 

1995
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,440
Is Daron dead? 
And they're like, no, Daron's 

1996
01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:42,080
fine. 
He's like, well, then the 

1997
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,160
prophecy was wrong unless 
Aryan's dead. 

1998
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,600
I didn't wait, did I kill Aryan?
He's so confused. 

1999
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:47,800
He's like has to think for a 
second. 

2000
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,360
Did I kill Aryan? 
He says it out loud in the book 

2001
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,920
and egg says, no, you didn't 
kill Aryan. 

2002
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:55,160
Don't you remember? 
But that's why he's thinking 

2003
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:58,360
about he's like the prophecy so 
that you can't quite do it here 

2004
01:35:58,360 --> 01:35:59,840
because it's a it's thoughts 
he's having. 

2005
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:04,400
So instead, you know, they just 
rely on some some visual cues 

2006
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,880
and the intonation and and the 
brilliant acting, which really 

2007
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:13,080
just carries it. 
The way Bertie Carville handles 

2008
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,840
a scene is so perfect. 
It's it's so much like it's 

2009
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:17,520
ripped from the page. 
The lines are the same. 

2010
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,880
The way he stutters. 
It's written almost identically 

2011
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,360
to what George wrote. 
Let's have a quick quote before 

2012
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:25,040
we get to breaking it down. 
I'll get everybody should weigh 

2013
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,840
in here because it's it's so, so
well done there. 

2014
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,880
It's in the book. 
Dunk is confused and concussed 

2015
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,360
and that's why it helps. 
It helps conceal what's really 

2016
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,040
going on here. 
His confusion masks the the 

2017
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:37,920
horror that's about to be 
unleashed. 

2018
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:42,040
Get him drunk and pour some 
boiling oil into it. 

2019
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:45,400
Someone suggested that's how the
maesters do it. 

2020
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:50,240
Wine. 
The voice had a hollow metallic 

2021
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:53,960
ring to it. 
Not oil that will kill him 

2022
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:57,720
boiling wine. 
I'll send Maestro Yarmwell to 

2023
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:00,360
have a look at him when he's 
done tending my brother. 

2024
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:04,400
So with all these clues here 
mixed in with the chivalry of a 

2025
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,200
tenders, he's. 
You clearly need tending more 

2026
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:10,720
than your brother, my friend. 
But the hollow metallic ring 

2027
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,320
thing where something's wrong 
with his voice. 

2028
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:17,200
And then just after that 
passage, Duncan notices that his

2029
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:20,360
voice sounded oddly slurred. 
Perhaps he bit his tongue. 

2030
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:24,400
You know, he's trying to like 
understand, and Bertie just 

2031
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,760
captured it so perfectly. 
Dunk is in the book, Dunk is 

2032
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:31,200
confused about who's speaking. 
In fact, he's it turns out to be

2033
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:34,800
steely pay who makes has that 
line about the the boiling oil. 

2034
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:36,640
But in the book he doesn't even 
know who says that. 

2035
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:39,640
The way here it becomes clear 
something isn't right. 

2036
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:43,480
You know, he says, my fingers, 
fingers feel like wood, exactly 

2037
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:46,080
like the book. 
The way he's kind of stutters 

2038
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,440
and the same thing he does when 
his visor is cracked. 

2039
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,240
The way he looks at Raymond and 
says brothers Mace most like 

2040
01:37:52,440 --> 01:37:55,280
he's strong. 
That would just killed me. 

2041
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:58,800
It's just like he's just like 
leaning in like, you know what I

2042
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,600
mean, man, You know, like my 
brother sure is strong. 

2043
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:05,160
Like he's chivalrous to the end.
There's a moment at the end. 

2044
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:06,600
You can't. 
I don't know if a Shaya caught 

2045
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,680
it on the screen. 
I, I, I caught it near the end 

2046
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:12,640
here where he just when the horn
blows, Baylor's like shaking his

2047
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,080
reaches out to shake his 
brother's hand. 

2048
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,960
That's what it looks like to me.
Or or is it like bracing him? 

2049
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,920
Like even though his leg head is
caved in here. 

2050
01:38:20,440 --> 01:38:22,240
It's crazy. 
So here's the book version of 

2051
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:24,520
that. 
As Dunk is saying, I'm sorry, 

2052
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,680
I'm sorry. 
And as he does for Rafe and the 

2053
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,440
higher Tower Man, this is this 
is how it sets up book version. 

2054
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:35,120
A queer, troubled look passed 
across Baylor break Spear's face

2055
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,840
like a cloud passing before a 
sun. 

2056
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,880
He raised his hand and touched 
the back of his head with two 

2057
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:46,560
fingers, oh so lightly, and then
he fell. 

2058
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:51,520
Dunk caught him up, they say, he
said, just as he had with 

2059
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,080
Thunder and the melee. 
Up, up. 

2060
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,840
But he never remembered that 
afterward. 

2061
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:01,400
And the Prince did not rise. 
It's an effective way to do it 

2062
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,320
in terms of the book here, of 
course, they're not going to 

2063
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:05,480
skip that. 
We're going to go straight to 

2064
01:39:05,480 --> 01:39:07,640
the funeral next episode. 
But it cuts off here very 

2065
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,560
effectively mid grief, very much
mimicking how it handles in the 

2066
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,120
book. 
Sean, I've gone through the 

2067
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,200
scene. 
Tell us what you think. 

2068
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,080
How did it make you feel? 
What have you to say about in 

2069
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:20,960
general? 
Yeah, it was. 

2070
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:23,720
I don't know how to say it's 
bittersweet. 

2071
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:28,640
Like the a large percent of this
episode was so tough and violent

2072
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,320
and dark and oh, and it's kind 
of like, I think we've talked 

2073
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:35,240
before about how I know what's 
going to happen, but maybe this 

2074
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:37,040
time it'll go different, you 
know, like. 

2075
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,000
Zigzag. 
Yeah, it's like just just kind 

2076
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:45,040
of dreading it and, you know, 
but both his death and, you 

2077
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:48,080
know, the sort of violence, the 
realization, the sadness, the 

2078
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,920
people around him are going to 
face, everything. 

2079
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:52,200
Yeah, it was. 
It was done really well. 

2080
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:56,480
I wonder how people who hadn't 
read the book, you know, maybe 

2081
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,320
weren't quite anticipating it. 
I just felt kind of sick to my 

2082
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,760
stomach knowing what was about 
to come. 

2083
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:05,480
But I wonder if you didn't know 
that, if you might have been 

2084
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:08,800
distracted by dunks, injuries or
all the other guys that got 

2085
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:09,560
killed. 
And. 

2086
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,560
I don't know, I should talk to 
my. 

2087
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,400
My sister's watching and she 
hasn't read the book, so I'll 

2088
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,560
see what she says. 
But another thought I want to 

2089
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:22,880
say is it it's something that 
George does so well and is that 

2090
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,360
there is like something that's, 
I don't know how to say this 

2091
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:29,360
unanswered or mysterious. 
Sometimes you don't even realize

2092
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,800
that it's a mystery. 
And George is just like 

2093
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:34,560
delivering the answer. 
It's like, here's the answer 

2094
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,720
right in front of your face and 
you don't get it. 

2095
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,560
You know what I mean? 
Kind of like when Raymond's 

2096
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:43,760
telling Dunk about Maker's kids 
and they're doing well, kid and 

2097
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,960
this kid and this kid and the 
fourth one and Egg comes running

2098
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,240
in and like, oh, Egg is the 4th 
1, you know, like and in that 

2099
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:53,240
one, pretty quick after that 
moment, you get the reveal. 

2100
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:56,000
Same thing here, dunks going 
through his mind. 

2101
01:40:56,440 --> 01:41:00,600
Well, Aaron's fine and I don't 
think I killed Arian like which 

2102
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:04,200
Targaryen could have been. 
And here comes Baylor walking in

2103
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,120
and it's like, oh, you know, 
pretty quick after you get the 

2104
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,720
answer. 
But it is still a great 

2105
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:13,880
technique George has of 
delivering the answer with the 

2106
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:17,640
question, sometimes not even 
knowing that it is a question 

2107
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:19,720
you. 
Know yeah, I would also like to 

2108
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:23,720
point out how well it was filmed
in terms of the horror on the 

2109
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:28,560
faces that you see Raymond's 
reaction, steely Pates reaction.

2110
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:31,400
You see egg, you see all of 
these things to really ramp up 

2111
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,520
your your dread until you 
actually do see it. 

2112
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,720
And it's like wondering what's 
wrong is just as scary as 

2113
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,760
actually seeing his like caved 
in brain, right? 

2114
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:44,600
Yeah, totally agree. 
They, they had, they dialed down

2115
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,680
Steely Pait's reaction to build 
at the moment a little more 

2116
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,040
gradually, because in the in the
book, Steely Pait just starts 

2117
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,600
basically yelling, you're like, 
gods be good, Gods be good Here.

2118
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,200
He's like, gods be good. 
It's a lot more muted. 

2119
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,720
And Raymond, I thought Raymond 
was the most effective. 

2120
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:02,840
He he inches around, takes very 
small steps, like he doesn't 

2121
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:04,600
want to see it, but he's got to 
look. 

2122
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:07,760
So he doesn't just like peer 
around, he just like inches 

2123
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,520
around. 
And then he slowly his eyes 

2124
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:12,600
widen and then like you said, 
then it cuts to egg and then it 

2125
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:16,360
goes to dunk and he falls and 
the prophecy is fulfilled. 

2126
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,640
And it's a really great way to 
do it because the prophecy is 

2127
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,280
such a minor part of this. 
You could take the whole 

2128
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,040
prophecy out and it would still 
hit really hard, but it's a good

2129
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:27,160
way to, like, mix in some of the
mystical as part of the story 

2130
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:32,080
without it really driving it. 
Or no one made choices based on 

2131
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,080
it really, other than maybe 
Daron himself. 

2132
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,000
But Daron still probably would 
have made the same choices 

2133
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:39,440
because he's not a fighter and 
isn't going to be pushed around 

2134
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:41,040
by his father. 
Not in that sense anyway. 

2135
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:45,040
So yeah, just a really, really 
well done thing. 

2136
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,280
By the way, I meant to point 
this out earlier. 

2137
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,880
This is kind of a non sequitur, 
but remember what Stefon said. 

2138
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,800
He's like, oh, lots of men will 
will want to fight in this on 

2139
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:55,000
your side because of glory. 
No one did that. 

2140
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,480
No one fought on dunk side for 
glory. 

2141
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,600
Lionel did. 
Technically, Lionel mine. 

2142
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,160
He's the closest one. 
Yeah, Lionel. 

2143
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:03,280
There's a case to be made for 
Lion. 

2144
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:06,760
Yeah, like, I guess it's glory. 
He he doesn't like couch it in 

2145
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:09,120
those terms, but he just thought
it sounded fun. 

2146
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,440
But he also wanted to. 
Like he wanted the thrill of the

2147
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:12,480
fight, right? 
Yeah, exactly. 

2148
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:16,880
But he also wanted to look good.
Yeah, Yeah. 

2149
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,440
So he's the closest to that. 
Maybe you can make that for him.

2150
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:21,720
But for like for obvious, for 
both of the Humphreys, it was 

2151
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,080
personal or personal for one and
personal in law for the other, 

2152
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,160
personal by marriage. 
For Robin Riesling it was 

2153
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:32,640
religious and for Raymond it was
well, that's my friend. 

2154
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:34,720
So that's kind of personal for 
Riesling. 

2155
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,040
It was for the glory of the 
seven. 

2156
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,920
Yeah, if madness is bid is 
madness delivered. 

2157
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,400
Yeah. 
So yeah, just really wonderfully

2158
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,600
done. 
I'm so glad they treated it 

2159
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:47,680
well. 
Reading. 

2160
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:51,360
We'll we'll talk in our wrap up 
episode, which will be two weeks

2161
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:52,400
from now. 
We'll also talk a little more 

2162
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,400
about Birdie Carville's takes on
this. 

2163
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:59,080
He has some interesting things 
that he thought about in his own

2164
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:02,160
background, learning about the 
world and and knowing how 

2165
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:05,040
important this was. 
But I wonder if how he know how,

2166
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:08,880
if he knows just how important 
this was to us existing fans. 

2167
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:11,840
And yeah, what? 
It's funny, I pointed this out 

2168
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,680
like we were all expecting. 
I was really curious about your 

2169
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,520
friends and family's reactions. 
But honestly, it's the people 

2170
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,440
who've already read it that are 
reacting the strongest because 

2171
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,080
there was just so well done. 
And that's amazing, right? 

2172
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,760
Like we knew it. 
We knew it was going to come. 

2173
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:29,120
And still it's just, I watched 
it five times and I was hard to 

2174
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,120
watch it some of those extra 
times because it's so intense. 

2175
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:35,800
And every time it got me like 
every single time, you know, 

2176
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,440
like the 5th watch, I'm still 
like, God, this is painful. 

2177
01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:41,720
This is emotional like. 
It's hard to go about your day 

2178
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,400
or night after that. 
You're just kind of feel so 

2179
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:48,600
dejected, so like all the wind 
out of your sails. 

2180
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:54,120
Like even knowing I still it's 
just feel so so disappointing 

2181
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:55,960
for the Realms. 
For the world. 

2182
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:57,280
Right. 
Yeah. 

2183
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:01,440
I don't want this to to be too, 
too negative because again, I'm 

2184
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:04,240
generally very positive about us
all about all of this. 

2185
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:08,520
But I I wonder if one reason why
people who read the books maybe 

2186
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:12,320
or you know, and this is kind of
anecdotal, but why people read 

2187
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,360
the books might be hit harder 
than people who haven't is 

2188
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:17,000
because I do think one thing I 
think the show has slightly 

2189
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,520
failed at is building Baylor up 
so much. 

2190
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:25,000
I feel like in the books he was 
built up to be more more of a 

2191
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:28,480
great fighter, more of a great 
hero, more of a Chrismatic 

2192
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:30,800
leader. 
And and it's not like this show 

2193
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,640
didn't make him Chrismatic or 
whatever, but the book just did 

2194
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:36,960
more so. 
And so I think it hit harder 

2195
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,440
when he was killed you. 
Can see that because Dunk has 

2196
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:42,440
this awe in his mind that's hard
to for the man that's hard to 

2197
01:45:42,440 --> 01:45:45,520
replicate through other people's
actions, and his deeds are 

2198
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,400
written more explicitly as to 
what he did. 

2199
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:51,040
So yeah, I can kind of see that.
But I do think from my anecdotal

2200
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:56,200
experience, the non existing 
fandom reacted extremely 

2201
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,720
positively to Baylor. 
So I think it still hit pretty 

2202
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:00,760
darn hard. 
But I I mean, I see what you're 

2203
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,520
saying that it hit harder maybe 
for the in terms of why it hit 

2204
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,600
harder for the fandom, I can 
completely see that. 

2205
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:09,560
Yeah. 
OK, so Cher wants to show off 

2206
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,600
some of the armor here, which 
I'm all for. 

2207
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:14,440
We got some really cool shots. 
We all we commented earlier as 

2208
01:46:14,440 --> 01:46:18,360
bears repeating that it looks 
it's well done that Baylor's 

2209
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,480
armor doesn't quite fit right 
because it's not his armor. 

2210
01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:24,040
So well done there. 
And Lionel's helm looks quite 

2211
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,840
sweet. 
I I like the fact that the horns

2212
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,840
broke, the antlers broke because
that makes it more realistic. 

2213
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,080
Like people said, like, wow, 
that must be really tough on the

2214
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:33,320
neck. 
It must be really heavy. 

2215
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:36,160
Well, it doesn't have to be. 
They could be made really light 

2216
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:37,640
to break. 
It could just be purely 

2217
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:39,120
ornamental. 
They don't have to We don't have

2218
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,640
to assume that it's just over 
the top. 

2219
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:45,240
You know, he could, there could 
be some concession to 

2220
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,760
functionality in that 
ornamentation. 

2221
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,400
You know, it's like, ah, just 
let it break easily, then it 

2222
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:51,160
won't be a problem. 
You know, it's not the same as 

2223
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,320
horned helmets for a Viking. 
You know that silliness. 

2224
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:58,720
Yeah, it would be much better 
for them to snap off easily 

2225
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,680
because if someone could hit 
those with their sword. 

2226
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:02,960
Like hook it or something. 
Don't. 

2227
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,520
Break. 
It would yank your whole head 

2228
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,360
and neck and you would lose your
sight or maybe break or twist 

2229
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,040
something. 
But if they'd hit it with a 

2230
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,680
sword, just snaps right off it. 
It's just unfazed by it. 

2231
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:16,800
And I don't know. 
You got to keep in mind, I wish 

2232
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,520
I knew a little better how much 
they weigh. 

2233
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,800
But, you know, deer really have 
them on their head and they run 

2234
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,560
at 30 miles an hour or 50 miles 
an hour, like, you know, I don't

2235
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,640
know and like. 
True, true. 

2236
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:28,360
What's the next one, Shay? 
What do you guys? 

2237
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:30,680
I love Deron's fear here. 
We only got like a second of 

2238
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,120
Deron, but it's him just going. 
He's like, OK, and we survived. 

2239
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,800
Deron's armor, which is what I 
thought was cool here, is that 

2240
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,520
you see one his armor and then 
his helm that he has, which is 

2241
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:42,240
the Dragon Wing helm. 
It's a little bit different from

2242
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,320
the others, so we don't see much
of it. 

2243
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,920
A little flash of like, I don't 
know, a green plume or something

2244
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:51,640
on his helmet as he put it on at
the image doesn't catch it, but 

2245
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:52,920
did you notice that when you're 
watching? 

2246
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:54,960
No, I did not. 
I would love to see it. 

2247
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:58,840
I'm hoping that we get the 
making of today and we get to 

2248
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,720
see a whole bunch of non color 
graded shots of all this armor 

2249
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:04,440
and on all that. 
That's another thing we'll be 

2250
01:48:04,440 --> 01:48:06,400
able to talk about in the wrap 
up episode because they have 

2251
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:10,200
been a little tardy with those 
making of which often have a lot

2252
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:14,680
of detail and extra information 
and images of these armor and 

2253
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:17,040
swords and castles and things 
that we really like to have 

2254
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,960
extra nerdy detail for. 
Yeah, they had those. 

2255
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:22,600
So they had one for the first 
episode, I think, pretty much 

2256
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:25,040
right away. 
And then they didn't have one 

2257
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,840
for the second, but then after 
the third they had one which was

2258
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,960
second and third combined. 
Yeah, that's why they they did 

2259
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:33,160
that is that they combined them 
because it was too, too, too 

2260
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,840
related that they didn't want to
split it because of the spoilers

2261
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,000
of it all. 
And then it made sense. 

2262
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:41,200
OK, so then they'll do four and 
five combined and then but. 

2263
01:48:41,480 --> 01:48:43,560
How are they? 
But are they, if they? 

2264
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,600
Are they haven't put it out? 
Yet I know exactly I'm like oh 

2265
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:48,720
I'm checking YouTube constantly 
for this. 

2266
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:50,880
But this is my other favorite 
armor. 

2267
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:55,160
It is Stefan's apple armor. 
I do think it's very beautiful 

2268
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:58,240
and and cool and unique. 
I've never seen apples look so 

2269
01:48:58,240 --> 01:48:59,760
cool. 
No one has ever made apples look

2270
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:00,760
so good. 
I swear. 

2271
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:04,040
Stefan Fosman may be a jerk, but
he's got swag. 

2272
01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:08,640
That should be his middle name. 
Stefan Swag Fossaway, the apple 

2273
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,400
of swag. 
All right, so anymore armor. 

2274
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,360
Are we ready to move on, you 
guys? 

2275
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:15,600
Oh, look at that. 
I like, I like, I like the side 

2276
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:16,760
view there. 
We looked at that one earlier, 

2277
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:18,760
but it's really good. 
This is partly how I was able to

2278
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:22,680
tell what the order was of the 
of the combatants seeing this 

2279
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:24,360
line up. 
It's also very similar to the to

2280
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:26,840
book version, perhaps identical,
but the book version isn't 

2281
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:29,120
explicit, so we don't know what 
the exact one was. 

2282
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,960
As we pointed out in the review 
episode, the graphic novel has 

2283
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:35,640
its own set of pairings which do
not match the books in some 

2284
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:37,160
ways. 
And then the show has its own 

2285
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:39,520
versions, like 3 or 4 different 
versions of the pairings, which 

2286
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:43,800
in some ways tells you it's not 
super important, but it's still 

2287
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:45,320
kind of fun to get into those 
details. 

2288
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:47,800
I. 
Wanted to say real quick instead

2289
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:53,400
of crabapple swagapple. 
That's nice. 

2290
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:57,520
So Corn Ember Super Chat says 
jumping the Mace, but waiting 

2291
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,400
for egg and straw hat. 
Oh yeah, jumping the Mace. 

2292
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,520
They said jumping the gun. 
Nice. 

2293
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:04,120
Very good. 
Yeah, we'll see. 

2294
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:06,400
Hopefully get some egg and straw
hat next episode. 

2295
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:08,800
Is that Was that in the trailer?
Egg and straw hat. 

2296
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:12,640
Well, I don't want to say that 
much about the trailer, but we 

2297
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:17,000
see Egg in a little a different 
hat, which shows us that Egg 

2298
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:19,800
likes to wear hats. 
So I think it's it's, it's 

2299
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,280
foreshadowing for for his straw 
hat. 

2300
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,720
But we do see him in a cute 
little hat and you'll you'll see

2301
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:27,200
that next week. 
Right on. 

2302
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:32,520
So friends and folks and fellow 
W orians, definitely send us 

2303
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:37,560
your thoughts, your impressions,
your grief, your tears, what 

2304
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:39,720
your how your friends and family
experienced it as well. 

2305
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:43,960
And we will certainly be back 
next week for the wrap up or for

2306
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,560
the season 6 or season episode 6
rather and the wrap up episode 

2307
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:50,680
after that. 
And if you don't, check out our 

2308
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:53,280
preview episodes. 
Our last week's one had a good a

2309
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:55,120
couple of good segments that 
y'all might like. 

2310
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:59,960
One talked about an interview 
where Dexter, Sol and Sell 

2311
01:50:59,960 --> 01:51:02,280
potentially spoiled some stuff 
about Dunk. 

2312
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,800
So check out the preview for 
that talk a little bit. 

2313
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,320
Summer Hall related. 
Yeah, Summer Hall related, but 

2314
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:11,720
we also talked about Ira 
Parker's AMA, which we briefly 

2315
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:14,200
touched on here, but we talked 
about it in a much more more 

2316
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:18,640
length there, including some of 
his favorite houses, favorite 

2317
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:22,080
sigils, mistakes he's made, 
flashbacks. 

2318
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,000
We almost had flashbacks. 
We could have that. 

2319
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:27,640
That episode's about 30 minutes.
It's on our feed. 

2320
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:31,480
We will certainly talk about 
that again in our wrap up, but 

2321
01:51:31,480 --> 01:51:33,640
if you're raring to hear about 
it, check that episode out. 

2322
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:38,560
We also talk about how Ira says 
that he has 10 to 12 stories 

2323
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,040
beyond these first three, like 
the outlines. 

2324
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,400
So that's 15 seasons he could 
do, which is pretty crazy. 

2325
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,040
Wild. 
Hopefully we could. 

2326
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:47,960
We couldn't. 
Could we possibly be that lucky?

2327
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:49,920
We'll see, we'll see. 
Time will tell. 

2328
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:53,760
Time will in detail. 
Our trivia question was against 

2329
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,280
which foe did Baylor earn the 
nickname Break Spear? 

2330
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:00,240
The answer is Damon Blackfyre at
the wedding tournament for 

2331
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,640
Baylor's aunt Daenerys marrying 
Maron Martel. 

2332
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:07,000
So that was pretty epic. 
Baylor and Damon when they were 

2333
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:11,720
both teenagers already prodigies
and showing what a little 

2334
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:15,880
preview of what would be two of 
the main leaders in the 

2335
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:19,480
Blackfyre rebellion some eight 
years after that. 

2336
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,760
Paul results which injury of 
dunks did you file find the most

2337
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:28,000
cringe or shuddery or whatever? 
10% said Morningstar to the 

2338
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:34,240
head, 14% said double stab 30% 
Lance on the side and 46% said 

2339
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:35,600
knife through the hand. 
Yeah, the knife through the hand

2340
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,920
is hard, hard to top because he 
he pulled the knife through the 

2341
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,440
hand. 
Lance is pulling through like he

2342
01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:40,920
pulls it out, like both of those
are. 

2343
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,040
Yeah, he pulls the Lance out 
too. 

2344
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:47,040
But the hand, I mean, your hand 
is so crippling. 

2345
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:48,800
Yeah, that was a little more 
like real. 

2346
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,280
Like that's more likely to 
really happen in real life, some

2347
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,440
sort of hand injury like that, 
maybe not a knife going. 

2348
01:52:53,480 --> 01:52:57,360
Through it, but have a knife go 
through your hand in our Yeah, 

2349
01:52:57,640 --> 01:52:59,440
you're unlikely to ever have a 
Lance. 

2350
01:52:59,480 --> 01:53:01,280
Yeah, Lances aren't involved in 
anything. 

2351
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:05,200
Like when you deal with lances, 
you know, like, oh, you work at 

2352
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:06,400
medieval times. 
OK. 

2353
01:53:06,440 --> 01:53:09,160
Yeah, like that's about it. 
Maybe cycling? 

2354
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:14,280
Yeah, Lance, Yeah, you got 
Armstrongs and all sorts of yes.

2355
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:17,120
Good one, Good one, Sean. 
I wouldn't pay for to see that, 

2356
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:20,320
though. 
Lance's on bicyclists. 

2357
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:24,960
Yeah, just like get those guys, 
like modern jousting on country 

2358
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:26,240
bikes. 
What are those bikes called? 

2359
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:30,080
There's a touring bike. 
Anyway, if you all are 

2360
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:33,600
interested in staying immersed, 
definitely check out our hedge 

2361
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,440
Night coverage. 
We did, the three of us did some

2362
01:53:36,440 --> 01:53:39,400
Hedge night a whole read through
years ago and we put it back on 

2363
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:42,920
our feedback to the front. 
We also have reviews of The 

2364
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,320
Sworn Sword and The Mystery 
Night that are also 4 episodes 

2365
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:47,040
long each plus a wrap up at the 
end. 

2366
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:49,560
And we have two episodes on 
Baylor Breaks Pier so. 

2367
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:51,640
We have a lot going to come out 
this week, right? 

2368
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,800
You'll be releasing the Baylor 
episode Baylor Breaks Pier this 

2369
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:56,880
this Thursday and next Thursday.
That's right, they've been 

2370
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,800
remastered or will be by the 
time they're re released and 

2371
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:02,160
they sound a lot better, a 
little cleaner than they were 

2372
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:04,840
when they originally released. 
That's nice, and it's probably 

2373
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:06,840
been a while since y'all listen 
to those if you ever did, 

2374
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:08,480
because those were many years 
ago. 

2375
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:12,320
That's 2019. 2019, yeah. 7:00 
Whole years, just like a trial 

2376
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:15,960
of seven. 
See, the gods arranged it that 

2377
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,240
way. 
As Sir Robin would say, if it's 

2378
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:21,840
seven-year gap delivered or gap 
bid, it's seven-year gap 

2379
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:22,800
delivered. 
That's right. 

2380
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:29,000
Any final thoughts, Sean or 
Ashea on this epic episode that 

2381
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:31,920
is now enshrined in the Hall of 
Fame of Game of Thrones 

2382
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:34,520
episodes? 
Worst birthday party ever. 

2383
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:39,240
Poor Gwen. 
Yeah, yeah, but she'll be 

2384
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,280
complaining about that. 
So she's like, you remember I'm.

2385
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:42,840
She's 50 years old. 
She's like, do you remember my 

2386
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:45,520
13th birthday? 
No, let me tell you. 

2387
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:51,080
How could you not? 
Yeah, I, I, I had, you know, 

2388
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:55,000
kind of a big overarching 
thought that, I don't know, 

2389
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,520
interesting. 
The tone shift. 

2390
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:03,560
The first 3 episodes were very 
much lighter, you know what I 

2391
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:05,720
mean? 
Lots more comedic and light. 

2392
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:10,200
And in the fourth one, it wasn't
as clear at that moment, but it 

2393
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,160
did start to shift, you know 
what I mean? 

2394
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:16,400
Or weren't as many jokes, you 
know, but a little heavier. 

2395
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:20,120
But this one, which is almost 
non-stop dark. 

2396
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:23,120
Terrible, heavy, tragic. 
One bit after another, they made

2397
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:26,520
one little attempt at lightness.
Maybe I'll give you what. 

2398
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:28,520
Would you say which one? 
Which one would you say is that?

2399
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:33,360
I I was going to say the the 
telling egg, not the Robin egg 

2400
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:35,320
wolf back, but also the puking, 
you know. 

2401
01:55:35,320 --> 01:55:38,400
Yeah, and the green fucking boy 
that that made me laugh. 

2402
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:40,880
Yeah, the way he said it, he was
just like, he was so funny, so 

2403
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:43,200
boisterous. 
Green knocking boys. 

2404
01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:49,240
Also, Humphrey Peasbury's 
mustache is always innately 

2405
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:51,640
comedic. 
The fact that he does that and I

2406
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:56,360
will repeat your joke, how does 
he get that mustache Honeycomb? 

2407
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:59,080
We got to share that. 
I got to, we got to post that, 

2408
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:00,880
that that joke. 
It makes me laugh a lot. 

2409
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:03,280
That's right. 
I agree with you about the tone 

2410
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:04,360
shift, Sean. 
That's very true. 

2411
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:07,400
And that's the kind of topic 
we'll delve deeper on and 

2412
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:09,360
similar topic we'll delve deeper
on when we get to the wrap up. 

2413
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:13,800
But yeah, that's I'm very, very,
very intentional it seems. 

2414
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:17,480
It makes me wonder about the 
next episode because the next 

2415
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episode we're dealing with these
deaths. 

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It'll be Baylor's funeral. 
Like, you know, a part of me 

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01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:27,840
wants to feel like this is a 
wholesome, lighthearted story, 

2418
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:29,440
man. 
It's also pretty dark and 

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01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,520
gruesome. 
And I don't feel they would or 

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01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:36,840
I'm not sure I want them to 
leave it on such a dark, sad 

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01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:38,680
ending. 
I think that we wanted to be 

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hopeful and excited about the 
adventures that Duncan Egg go on

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01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,280
next, but also I don't want them
to neglect the sorrow and 

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01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:48,320
tragedy of what happened. 
So I think they've got a 

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01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:50,880
challenge set for them in this 
this final episode. 

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01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:54,280
We're curious how they handle 
it, you know, tone wise as much 

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01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:56,720
as anything. 100% agree. 
That's something we should think

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01:56:56,720 --> 01:57:00,120
about and we could maybe think 
on and guess in our preview 

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01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:01,880
episode. 
What do we think the last shot 

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of the season will be? 
I think Dunkin Egg walking 

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01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,360
together with the horses. 
Riding off into the. 

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01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:10,440
Sunset like to walking together 
like a simple shop is maybe an 

2433
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:12,400
easy guess, but that's I'm going
to go out on. 

2434
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,520
A yeah, that's kind of what I 
was picturing too, because it is

2435
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:16,800
kind of what the book does. 
So maybe something similar. 

2436
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:18,640
It's not, It's not. 
You're probably not going to 

2437
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:21,480
miss too often guessing that the
show is going to do what the 

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01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:24,800
book did because that that 
tracker so far is pretty strong 

2439
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,960
in that regard. 
But yeah, I, I think this has a 

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01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:28,760
really strong ending. 
I think you all would agree that

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01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:30,320
it's one of the great things 
about this story. 

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Is it just how much it makes you
feel. 

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01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:36,200
But it has a good ending, a 
strong ending, you know, a solid

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01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:37,400
ending, which is just hard to 
do. 

2445
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:40,240
As we know, endings are hard. 
So I appreciate that this one is

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01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,800
it. 
Just a little speculation that I

2447
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:46,320
wonder I I'm not sure what I'd 
put the odds at, but if we might

2448
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,320
get a Blood Raven appearance at,
at, you know, I don't know how 

2449
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:53,240
quickly the funeral will happen.
How you know, long it'll take 

2450
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,320
Dunk to even be able to stand up
and walk. 

2451
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:59,280
If word would have gone to 
King's Landing about the the 

2452
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:01,040
fact that this trial of seven 
was happening. 

2453
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:02,240
Oh, it definitely. 
Did that part? 

2454
01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:04,000
Definitely did. 
Because remember in the book 

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01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:07,720
it's King Garon that decides 
what Baylor wears to his 

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01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:09,240
funeral. 
Garon doesn't. 

2457
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:11,760
Go. 
But he instructs them to put not

2458
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:13,280
put him in armor. 
They're like, no, he should be 

2459
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,080
wearing his like court clothes 
or whatever. 

2460
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:18,040
Yeah, so there. 
And, and we see from the trailer

2461
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:20,280
that there's some people there 
that probably weren't there at 

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01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:21,760
the tournament, so there 
probably is. 

2463
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:24,600
And of course, Dunk so badly 
wounded, he's not. 

2464
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:27,280
He's got to sit around for a 
while to convalesce. 

2465
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:28,680
There's that too, kind of 
implied. 

2466
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:33,080
There's just a lot of demand, I 
think from the fandom and a lot 

2467
01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:37,280
of motivation to set future 
setting series up to, to have 

2468
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:40,160
him make some sort of 
appearance, even if it's no 

2469
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:43,600
dialogue, just standing there in
a crowd of Targaryens at the 

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01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:46,840
funeral. 
But I, I I bet greater than 50% 

2471
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:48,960
chance, I I kind of expected to 
have it. 

2472
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,680
So I was going to say one we 
have two super chats to address 

2473
01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:56,440
here from Jillsville from 
Jillsville, who gives us a 

2474
01:58:56,440 --> 01:59:00,080
thanks sticker and from corn 
emperor who says burn the break 

2475
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:02,040
spear in dragon fire. 
Yeah, we do think we will be 

2476
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:07,080
seeing a Targaryen funeral 
complete with not dragon fire, 

2477
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:09,640
but fire, right. 
They don't have a dragon with 

2478
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,280
which to to burn them. 
But so I think we'll see a a 

2479
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:15,280
change a new era of a Targaryen 
funeral. 

2480
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:16,640
We know we will. 
In fact, they. 

2481
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:21,520
Use a flamethrower instead. 
Yeah, the other thing I wanted 

2482
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:25,400
to say was that if you don't 
follow us on TikTok or 

2483
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:31,400
Instagram, we release edits and 
buying the scene stuff from from

2484
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:33,280
the shows. 
That's what we use our Instagram

2485
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:38,720
and TikTok reels for. 
This week I made a fan edit to 

2486
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:42,520
house by Charli XCX, which is a 
TikTok sound that's been going 

2487
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:47,000
around lately, and I did. 
I think I'm going to die in this

2488
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,200
joust and I would love it if you
checked it out because I think 

2489
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:52,880
it's funny and heartbreaking all
at the same time. 

2490
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:58,240
All right everybody, on behalf 
of Sean and Ashea, we will see 

2491
01:59:58,240 --> 02:00:01,840
you all again soon. 
Thanks to Bran the Builder for 

2492
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:05,520
our awesome fun intro and you 
know what to do. 

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02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:10,880
This is a good time, as ever, 
for a Valar ri rias. 

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02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:46,760
The.