1 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,040 A sun for a sun. A loaded title with some clear 2 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,760 meanings and some not so clear. One of those references is the 3 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,200 old biblical line An eye for an eye, which is fitting since that 4 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,360 is what Amon wanted. The actual lesson, though, is 5 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,000 not to engage in eye for an eye behavior. 6 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,120 That's the lesson of what you're not supposed to do. 7 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,840 You're supposed to turn the other cheek, forgive and forget. 8 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,720 But that's obviously not going to happen here. 9 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,240 Very little of either forgetting or forgiving seems to be on tap 10 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,520 for the near future. Mercy is in short order. 11 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,160 All must choose and even neutrality might be dangerous. 12 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,600 If you're not with us, you're against us that the war hasn't 13 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,200 progressed to that stage yet. But you can see it kind of going 14 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,920 that way. You know, it's, it's already the 15 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:33,040 signs of, of, of it becoming a very hated, hateful, angry, 16 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,760 bitter engagement are are there already and you can guess 17 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,600 they'll be more. But this episode also had a ton 18 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,320 of callbacks and Easter eggs, especially to Game of Thrones 19 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,000 season one, episode one, but also to House of the Dragons 20 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,680 season one, episode one. There's also quite a few direct 21 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,680 lines from the books and a few other references as well. 22 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,320 In short, they're probably quite a few things you missed. 23 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,000 We've got explanations on all that lore and of course, good 24 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,600 times. It's the beginning of a new 25 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,040 season. Let's have fun with it. 26 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:07,240 All that and more on this episode of History of Westeros 27 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:13,840 Podcast. Hello and welcome everybody. 28 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,000 It's time for Season 2, House of the Dragon. 29 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,720 Let me very briefly explain what we're all about in case you're 30 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,880 new here or in case you're catching up with this and want 31 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,440 to know what our schedule is going to be like for the season. 32 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,320 We're doing breakdowns of every episode, short ones that'll be 33 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,360 about 10 to 15 minutes. Those will be published within 34 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,720 24 to 36 hours of the episode roughly. 35 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,840 We also have these live streams, this first one that you may be 36 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,400 watching right now or listening to later. 37 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,280 Those will be at 6:00 Eastern on Mondays. 38 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,480 They'll be spoiler free. We're only going to talk about 39 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,640 what happened, very little about what will happen. 40 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,160 Certainly no references to things that haven't happened yet 41 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,160 that we know about. No leaks, of course, no spoilers 42 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,160 like that, Only book stuff that's already very public. 43 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,000 Nothing that that's going to tell you what's happening. 44 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,960 Wednesdays at 7:00, we're going to go deeper dives with 45 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,280 spoilers. A lot of times the topics will 46 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,040 vary. It's going to depend on what 47 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,560 happened in the most recent episode, what topics have our 48 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,680 attention, what topics have your attention. 49 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,200 And then on Saturdays at three, we do our prediction episodes, 50 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,560 which is when we guess what's going to happen next, mostly in 51 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,800 the next episode, but also maybe for the rest of the season. 52 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,840 Because sometimes when you guess something's going to happen, you 53 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:26,040 don't always know when it's going to happen, just that you 54 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,040 think it might happen at some point in the future. 55 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,440 It might be worth noting. I'll make some guesses, but I 56 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,920 don't actually know anything. I my role is to kind of be on, 57 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,880 on the to, to give the, the feel of people who haven't read the 58 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,000 books and don't know where it's going. 59 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,960 You're just watching the show. So, you know, I've read the Game 60 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,920 of Thrones books and I've read a portion of Fire and Blood, but I 61 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,040 stopped before I got to this dance section. 62 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,120 So I may have some vague knowledge like, you know, maybe 63 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,720 you know, that King's Landing doesn't get burned to the 64 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,120 ground. We kind of know that, right? 65 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,080 Well, I, I guess maybe it gets mostly burned or rebuilt. 66 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,600 I guess that's a possibility. Yeah, I guess so from your 67 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,080 perspective. I am hoping to have some good 68 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,040 predictions, but they will be unsullied predictions. 69 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,120 And one of the values of unsullied predictions too is you 70 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,440 aren't basing your predictions on what you know from the book. 71 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,520 You don't expect certain things and that gives you kind of a 72 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,920 fresher perspective. A lot of times. 73 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,520 It's been valuable for us over the years having an unsullied 74 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,240 person cover the show along with us, who are very sullied. 75 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,040 That might already come into play a little bit here 'cause I 76 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,840 get the feel from a few other people that that's it is the 77 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,000 take from, you know, blood and cheese. 78 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,480 Like it was even darker or it's in my mind like that was, I 79 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:34,960 don't know how you can make it much darker. 80 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,080 That was pretty. Bad, right? 81 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Well, just in case you don't know who we are, I'm Aziz. 82 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,240 That's Sean. We have Ashea as well, running 83 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,720 things from behind the keyboard. She's our technical wizard and 84 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,480 does pipe in with some thoughts here and there. 85 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,280 If you have questions for us, any of us, specifically for the 86 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,320 whole crew, just in general, you can ask them live. 87 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,840 Ashea will send a lot of them directly to us for us to answer 88 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:59,480 live. Others we might handle later. 89 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,320 You can also send them to westeroshistory@gmail.com if you 90 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,640 aren't listening live. Maybe we'll read your answer in 91 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,120 a future episode. Tell us what you liked most, 92 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,400 what you didn't like, your favorite performances, Easter 93 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,960 eggs and callbacks, things that that you noticed that we might 94 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,120 not have. There's so many. 95 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,120 I'm I'm quite sure I had to have missed a few things. 96 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,800 And Sean, looks like we've got our matching shirts today. 97 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,360 We have our Dance of the Dragons tour shirts. 98 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,440 They look pretty cool. They're designed by a Chea. 99 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,920 You got the twin Dragons here on the front. 100 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,560 You got black and green and the tour dates are on the back. 101 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,120 Sure. I'm just going to put the image 102 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,040 up here 'cause I can't turn around so easily to show you the 103 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,520 back of that, and neither can Sean. 104 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,360 I should have worn my shirt backwards. 105 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,720 That would have been fun. That would have done the trick, 106 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,280 that's for sure. Now, there was a new intro, not 107 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:50,120 just for us, for House of the Dragons. 108 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,440 So let's talk about both of those very briefly. 109 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,480 Our new intro is awesome. Thanks to Brand the Builder for 110 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,840 making that. It's basically the same music, 111 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:01,200 though it did get an upgrade similar to the House of the 112 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,560 Dragon intro. Same music, slightly, actually 113 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,560 slightly different, but the same basic tune but with a whole new 114 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:08,960 set of images. So that's cool. 115 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,480 But we're going to talk about that separately. 116 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,680 Requires its own breakdown, and frankly, we haven't had time to 117 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,600 fully study it given how short a time we've had since the episode 118 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,840 dropped and all that. Let's go right to the north. 119 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,680 Sean, what did you think of this northern, this northern bed? 120 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,160 It was, it was pretty cool, huh? It was short, but it really 121 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,080 delivered. I thought for for considering it 122 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,480 was only about 3 minutes. That whole little thing was only 123 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,680 about 3 minutes. Yeah, I was thinking that every 124 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,920 image I could remember from the trailers, I think we got 125 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,640 already. And I'm, I'm wondering, is that 126 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,880 all we're gonna get from the North? 127 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,440 I I I'm kind of guessing that it is. 128 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,480 And I'm impressed they went through so much production 129 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,080 effort for just that short little bit. 130 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,920 But I'm glad that they did. I'm glad they have a budget. 131 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,720 And if they think it's important and they've got the budget for 132 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,400 it, man, I I think that shows like HBO believes in his show 133 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,680 and it shows how good the show is and how popular it is. 134 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,080 It's all positive stuff, you know? 135 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:09,080 And one thing I took particular note of was there's there's one 136 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,800 shot from behind when Cregan and Jace are looking out off the 137 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,520 wall. And out of context you would 138 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,760 just think that's Ned and John. Yeah. 139 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,920 There's no way they weren't actively trying to make it look 140 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,520 like Ned and. John, you know, yeah, there's 141 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,680 some, there's some Benjen vibes in there too. 142 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,680 I thought a little bit. But you're right, mostly Ned and 143 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,000 John, even the way even down to the way they talked. 144 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,400 I mean, Tom Taylor really sound. He said he was trying to channel 145 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:36,960 Sean Bean. I'd say he nailed it. 146 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,480 It technically starts with the Raven and our first set of 147 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,919 callbacks. This is very similar to how 148 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,800 Winterfell was introduced in season one, episode one of Game 149 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,680 of Thrones. Even the music is from that 150 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,200 episode, though it's not the same music from the first scene. 151 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,480 The first Game of Thrones scene is actually happy music. 152 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,480 Yay, we're meeting the Starks. It's all happy because it's 153 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,480 going to get dark. So they started off happy. 154 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,760 That actually has a cold open. Before, you know, this is just 155 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,120 cold. It's not a cold open. 156 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,040 That song, though, is called Goodbye Brother. 157 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,240 Which man, that makes it hit so much harder when you know that 158 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,320 it's already a really sad song. Several of you wrote and said it 159 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,040 brought tears to your eyes. Same. 160 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:24,040 I'm with y'all The it's of course refers to Jon Snow 161 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,880 parting from Robb Stark. They expect to see each other 162 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,440 again. It's just a temporary party. 163 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,760 Sad look good in black. Black was always your color. 164 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:37,440 And that's obviously very sad because Craig and gets the news 165 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,840 from the South while he's talking to Jace that Jace won't 166 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,520 ever see his brother again. And goodbye brother is a very 167 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:43,840 appropriate song to have been there. 168 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,760 And of course, we see this scene playing out. 169 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,240 It's not entirely clear if this is something that just happened 170 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,320 or it happened like right when when Jace got there and Kragan 171 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,080 was escorting these men to the wall because they've just taken 172 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,720 the the vows and Jace just happens to be there at this time 173 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,640 where they've decided winter is coming and they're they're going 174 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,480 through this choosing a ceremony. 175 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,720 And that's a convenient time for him to be there. 176 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,240 But that's cool. You know, that's, that's the 177 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,560 kind of thing TV shows do a lot. And there's so many other 178 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:22,000 callbacks in this. There's a callback to seeing the 179 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,480 wall beyond the wall. Rather, he looks beyond. 180 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,040 He's like, oh, he has his his voice kind of quiets as he's 181 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,200 talking. Very similar to Tyrion's initial 182 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,720 reaction to it, or John's reaction to seeing the wall for 183 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,200 the first time when he's walking towards it is very similar to 184 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:39,760 this unnamed Stark who has just drawn the Blackstone the first 185 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,120 time he sees the Wall now. It's a little too bad. 186 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Yeah, but Kragen lost a brother also. 187 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,560 So there there really is a lot that could could have done here. 188 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,880 But Jace grieves with his mother later. 189 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,080 I mean, how much grieving do we need in one episode? 190 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,240 I can kind of understand why they didn't want to just give us 191 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,760 all this good grief. You know, that's a lot of grief 192 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:00,800 right here. It's full of grief. 193 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,120 There's plenty of grief in the episode. 194 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,720 They didn't need to have Jace breakdown twice. 195 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,520 So I kind of understand that. But we do want we. 196 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,520 That doesn't mean we couldn't have had other things in the 197 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,440 North. But, hey, you know, I I'll give 198 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,040 him, I'll give him a little bit of a pass there. 199 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,920 Now, this Raven was in the trailers, and we kind of guessed 200 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,400 what it might be. One of those guesses was this, 201 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,480 that it was news of Luke. I won't point out my other 202 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,240 guesses, which weren't right because they're a little 203 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,320 spoilery, but it wasn't. I'm not entirely sure I'm right, 204 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,160 though. Is that the same Raven 'cause 205 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,640 that Raven passes through the courtyard when they're all 206 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,280 standing there before, when the choosing is happening, and then 207 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,360 the Raven arrives at the wall. They've already walked there. 208 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,560 So I think it's two different Ravens, but whatever. 209 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,320 There's a lot of Stark vibes in that scene that shows the 210 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,800 choosing when they show through the arch of Winterfell. 211 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,080 There's children running with a dog, and that dog looks like one 212 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,720 of the Stark direwolves. There's a pair of girls standing 213 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,160 side by side and one of them has long red hair. 214 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,680 It's very much vibes of the first time we see Winterfell in 215 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,280 episode one, season one of Game of Thrones. 216 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,440 And I do actually appreciate that Tom Taylor is beardless 217 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,200 because he's young and his father was beardless when we saw 218 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,320 him in season one, episode one of House of the Dragon bending 219 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:22,760 the knee to Viserys and Renera. Now Starks, don't forget their 220 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,400 OS is a big part of this conversation. 221 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,760 Winter is Coming is mentioned and it's a beautiful speech by 222 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,400 Craig. And it it kicks off what I think 223 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,760 is a particularly excellent dialogue in the steps. 224 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,320 There's a lot of really good, I'd say, prose for the words 225 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,320 they've been given. There's a lot of cleverness, a 226 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,080 lot of double meanings. There's a lot of cutting 227 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,240 insight. There's a lot of diplomacy, 228 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,880 people who are trying to chastise someone while also 229 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:53,920 praise them, you know, So this new bit of lore about Turin, I 230 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,480 actually like this a lot. It's they could have easily 231 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,200 messed this up. They could have easily said this 232 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,760 wrong and I would not have liked it. 233 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,800 But the fact that Craigen describes that this policy of 234 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,760 selecting one out of every 10 men to take go to the wall 235 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,840 started after the conquest, That's why it works for me. 236 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,440 If it started some other time, I would complain. 237 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,600 I'd be like, why? You know, why haven't we heard 238 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,040 of this? Why did they do that? 239 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,280 People were volunteering to to go to the watch before. 240 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,440 It didn't seem necessary. They had so many people there. 241 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,120 But we know already it's well established and has been for a 242 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,160 long time, more than a decade. Like since well before even the 243 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,120 world of Ice and Fire, let alone fire and blood, came out. 244 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,440 That Aegon's Conquest severely depleted the Watch because there 245 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,160 was no longer war between the different kingdoms that would 246 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,040 result in large numbers of people sent to the wall. 247 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,800 Those stopped happening. Of course that's a good thing 248 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,080 that those wars stopped happening, but this was one of 249 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,640 the very few downsides. Less people at the Watch. 250 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:52,440 So Turin, who also in our own analysis seems like a guy that 251 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,120 was very forward thinking, very conscientious, The rest of the 252 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,840 reason he bent the knee instead of fighting a losing war. 253 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,280 At least that's part of the evidence is that, well, he could 254 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,720 see that this would result in fewer men for the wall. 255 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,120 And it's his job, perhaps more than anyone else, to make sure 256 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,840 that doesn't happen. So he institutes this draft. 257 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,960 One in 10 men go to the wall. Yeah. 258 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,680 Were you aware that was a a show invention, Sean? 259 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,720 Or what did you think of that that choosing bit? 260 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,680 I had not heard, I, I didn't remember ever hearing anything 261 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,440 about that before. I remember thinking that's 262 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,920 interesting and wondering like I think they said one in 10 Stark 263 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:31,760 men, so like. Well, how? 264 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,520 One in 10 from the household not not one in 10 Stark men, just 265 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,160 one in 10 people from the household which which could 266 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,640 which could be a Stark, but not necessarily the guy chosen was a 267 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,600 Stark, Ryan Condall clarified. That was a Stark who was chosen, 268 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,960 but it didn't have to be 'cause there's there's not usually got 269 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,320 AB10 Starks, you know? From the household of 270 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,640 Winterfell, I guess so like of all the different servants and 271 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,600 stable everyone maintaining it, I guess that that open one, it 272 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,120 means they'll be sending more than one 'cause they're that I 273 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,120 think would be scores or hundreds of people. 274 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,920 Which makes sense that that that procession N was a lot of 275 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,480 people. It wasn't just the one guy. 276 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,080 Yeah. And maybe it's they even had 277 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,560 that little bit about the the sacrifice of duty. 278 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,640 So it might be. Yeah. 279 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,160 You, we appreciate you serving Winterfell. 280 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,560 We appreciate you being a bannerman to the North. 281 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,920 But there is a specific catch to this. 282 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,560 Keep in mind you. Might have to suddenly. 283 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,680 Give up. And maybe one about other 284 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,400 logistical details about what if someone is already married with 285 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,560 kids, they got up and leave their families behind, and would 286 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,600 that deter people from wanting to serve? 287 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,160 Well, you can see what. I think that probably sometimes 288 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,320 someone would volunteer to take someone's place. 289 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,680 I think there are certainly exceptions where you would go 290 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,440 across and logical sense would be made like this man has a 291 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,800 pregnant wife right now, you're not sending him to the wall. 292 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,680 I I think they are not completely without some 293 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,400 rationality and logic here. And I think that might also be 294 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,920 why the practice was discontinued. 295 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,840 It's no longer a thing by the time we get to the time of Ned 296 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,680 Stark. So these flaws are not bad 297 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,480 writing. They're a reason why this 298 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,760 practice was discontinued because it wasn't pay perhaps 299 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,640 fully considered. Maybe there were some flaws with 300 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,320 the Tauren comes up with this idea and then like, actually, 301 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,840 this isn't so great. This doesn't work, you know, And 302 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,880 and that's why it's at this point it's only been going for 303 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,880 100 years or so. And so it hasn't, they haven't 304 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,960 had a time where it's like, actually, this is a terrible 305 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,280 idea. Actually. 306 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,800 You just chose someone that is too vital. 307 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,760 Like you said, there's lots of things that could go wrong here 308 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,440 and that would be why it stops, which is why I accept it. 309 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,840 If it's something thousands of years old, these flaws would be 310 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,840 like they would have had to deal with this. 311 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,640 This needs more explanation, you know. 312 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,800 But a short term come up in the lores or whatnot, we've never 313 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,920 heard about it before. I didn't think it was a good 314 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,640 touch too, that the stones they were drawing, they're, they're, 315 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,080 it seemed like they're mostly white or grayish Winterfell, you 316 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,520 know, Northern color. What's the word Stark, you know? 317 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,640 But then the one going to the wall gets the black one. 318 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,040 They're going to join the black brothers. 319 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,960 And aesthetically, it made sense in a lot of different ways. 320 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,520 So that Blackstone choosing is one of many parallels I have 321 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,760 hold that I'm holding on to to discuss later. 322 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,599 We've got a bunch of parallels, Easter eggs and and stuff like 323 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:18,440 that. So we'll either get to that this 324 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,520 episode or if we run out of time, we'll get to it another 325 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,800 time 'cause I love those parallels. 326 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,119 Let's talk about Dragonstone Real. 327 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,560 Quick, I wanted to say that I thought it was noteworthy that 328 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,240 we didn't see exactly how it came about, but Kriegen said he 329 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,360 appreciated that Jace didn't use Dragon to threaten him. 330 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,280 Yeah. Like Amon did with What's the 331 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,640 Baratheon Lord? Boros, Lord Boros, Yeah. 332 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,840 Boros no, yeah. And, and Luke attempted to, I 333 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,760 guess, like I, I wonder some of how that logistics worked out 334 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,440 too. As you were saying like it, I 335 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,520 was kind of supposing that he went to Winterfell to meet 336 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,160 Kriegen, but Kriegen wasn't there 'cause he was escorting 337 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,400 this, these new Weitzman new. Weitzman. 338 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:05,320 The Wall, so that let them show us from from like a a TV 339 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,760 standpoint, we get to see both Winterfell and the Wall. 340 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,520 Good point. Yeah, I think that does make 341 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,040 sense. Actually. 342 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,800 I think it's a very good theory that he shows up at the 343 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,000 Winterfell like, oh, now he's up at the Wall, just go there. 344 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,400 He's like, Oh yeah, OK, I'll go there. 345 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,200 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Another thing I asserted to 346 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:21,360 keeping track of how often we saw the Dragons, just something 347 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:22,760 I was kind of curious about. Yeah. 348 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,520 And about one in four scenes had a dragon in it. 349 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,440 Sometimes harder to find exactly what a scene is, but like I 350 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,960 counted that whole sequence at the end is just one scene. 351 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,160 Right on. But at 20 ish scenes and there 352 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,960 are four or five, you know, dragon appearances but only one 353 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,280 of them was the greens. We saw Vega one time, all the 354 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,200 other times were black Dragons, so. 355 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,600 Yeah, well, they, they keep theirs in the dragon pit, so 356 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,160 they're not as out as much I guess. 357 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,560 But that's also because they're not the Gullet and all this 358 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,680 other stuff. Yeah. 359 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,480 Anyway, there's. Reasons for it, but it's still 360 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,960 interesting. I wanted to think about how are 361 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,200 they presenting the Dragons here? 362 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,880 How are we gonna start this off, you know? 363 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,680 Right, right. One of the very quick note for 364 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,080 your intro thing. This probably doesn't matter 365 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,960 very much, but I just can't not express this information. 366 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,760 The eye for an eye thing. It's not that it is like this 367 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,640 shift in, you know, biblical lore or whatever that eventually 368 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,080 Jesus is saying turn the other cheek, but the eye for eye. 369 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,840 Originally what they were trying to say is if someone steals 370 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,520 something, you don't put them to death, they take your. 371 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,240 Punishment should fit the crime back. 372 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,520 It's even punishment, right? Exactly. 373 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,240 So. So to that end, on some level, 374 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,760 maybe Amon or daemon or someone is trying to do the right thing. 375 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,600 You know on that. End it's, you know, too innocent 376 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,800 dying and I've read a son for a son. 377 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,240 Yeah. Yeah, that part's not so great. 378 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,800 That's not so fair or, or whatever. 379 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,600 Yeah. So Rainey's returns from holding 380 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,560 the blockade, which is not fully formed yet. 381 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,840 The blockade is going to come up several times this episode. 382 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,160 It's very relevant to both plot lines, but both locations 383 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,920 Rather, Damon is increasingly impatient and worried. 384 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,960 He was already kind of like a caged animal wanting to go out 385 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,200 and start the war. He wants to go to Harrenhal, He 386 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,560 wants to take action. He's worried that they're taking 387 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,720 action while he's just sitting there. 388 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,840 He's also paranoid at Rain era, just going out on her own in 389 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,960 this state of mind when she's vulnerable. 390 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:20,360 We predicted that just like. Damon telling Ranira and blaming 391 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,000 the death of his brother on the Greens, Like yeah, they murdered 392 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,480 my brother, which that didn't happen. 393 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,840 He died slowly over this long period of time. 394 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,520 But given he blamed them for it, what are the odds that he 395 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,200 doesn't blame Amond for that? Like of course he's pinning that 396 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,760 directly on and of course it's his fault. 397 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,240 He doesn't have a nuanced view of this at all and isn't 398 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,360 particularly willing to entertain nuance about it. 399 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,000 He even says, look, when she's out there looking for evidence 400 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,400 of her son, Eamon could just pounce on her. 401 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,080 And then Randy says that clever answer. 402 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,800 Well, I I would feel bad for Eamon in that case. 403 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,240 Now she's just joking and down and down playing his anger, 404 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,280 trying to deflect 'cause I don't think Rainy Hero would win that 405 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,280 engagement, but she'd do better than she might on any other day 406 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,480 now. So they're arguing about one of 407 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,600 the central themes of this episode, duty. 408 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,960 The first word of the episode, duty is sacrifice. 409 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,400 All men must pay. You know what? 410 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,360 It comes before everything, except it comes before blood. 411 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,560 At the Tullys would disagree, but he says it. 412 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,280 You know all men of honor must pay its price. 413 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,040 I was gonna say it is an interesting distinction. 414 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,400 All men of honor. Yeah, he's like, well, I can't 415 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,840 expect. Honor, you might get away with 416 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,080 not paying a price. You can't expect men of dishonor 417 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:39,240 to pay any price they steal. And yeah, so he's wants to take 418 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,240 action. He's ready. 419 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,200 He's champing at the bit, chomping at the bit. 420 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,760 Which is it again? Champing, chomping. 421 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,040 Don't. Ask Julia Louis Dreyfus so. 422 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,320 They're so they're arguing over what their duty is in this 423 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,320 moment. Rainier is Rainies is like 424 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,080 deferring to the fact that Rainier hasn't given them any 425 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,600 orders and and Damon's like she's the queen. 426 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,960 The queen shirks as the mother shirks her duties as the mother 427 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,080 grieves. And that's really bothering him. 428 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,160 Now. Damon should remember the line 429 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,800 he gave in season one, episode one of House of the Dragon when 430 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,680 he's confronted with the line. Did you say it air for a day? 431 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,480 Did you say it? He says we all grieve in our own 432 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,560 way, your grace, So maybe he should remember that. 433 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,600 But he's pretty angry right now. And you know, like I said, 434 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,040 doesn't have a lot of nuance. So, but Rainey's handles him 435 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,120 pretty well. She's like, yeah, you can't 436 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:32,840 order me around and I'm tired, so bye. 437 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,320 But he's not wrong in that if they are to take, if they can 438 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:43,400 take out Veigar, it's a humongous advantage that they've 439 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,040 gained because Veigar is pretty much the reason why they can't 440 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,880 do a lot of things that they would otherwise do. 441 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,560 The Greens are realizing that too, that Veigar is so powerful 442 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,760 and, and it's where Veigar is, is where you can't be. 443 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:59,080 And Damon is struggling to accept that he wants to go 444 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,040 challenge Veigar and and Eamon's. 445 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,600 Some of that power is going to his head. 446 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,680 But more on Amon later. Let's stick with Dragonstone 447 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,280 here. Damon blames Rainey's for not 448 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,000 killing the Greens when she had the chance. 449 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,840 Something he's also going to say to Eric and Mazaria. 450 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,400 He's going to blame all these people for not doing this when 451 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,320 they had the chance. He's blaming that on them. 452 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,160 It's part of his just wild animal. 453 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,200 Like I got to do something. I got to fight. 454 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,680 I got to make I got to make this right in his mind. 455 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,840 Rainey's in turn says Damon is being too vindictive. 456 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,000 He's not lost to she's not lost to vengeance, meaning Rainiera 457 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,800 like he is. But Rainiera is kind of 458 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,840 vindictive. She is. 459 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:42,720 She's once Ayman Targaryen. So by the way, Emma Darcy says 460 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,120 themselves that this is a darkness in Rainiera that is 461 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,640 shared with Damon more so than they'd like to admit. 462 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:54,680 And if there's two actors in this show who are the most worth 463 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,480 listening to about their characters, it's Emma Darcy and 464 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,360 Matthew Needham, who of course plays Lauris. 465 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,480 The, the words they use to describe their characters, the 466 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,880 insight, it's like, it's like hearing prose. 467 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,160 They're so eloquent in describing their characters. 468 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,960 I, I think Emma might be #1 in that the way they talk about 469 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,720 Rainiera is and the choices that she makes. 470 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,920 It's really, it's really interesting, really insightful, 471 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,120 and I can't do it justice with my own words 'cause I'm not as 472 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,880 eloquent as either of them are, at least not when describing 473 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,920 their characters. So we get a brief jaunt to 474 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,800 Storm's End before returning to Dragonstone. 475 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,240 It's beautiful and haunting. There's an amazing shot of 476 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,480 Storm's End in the background. This is Emma's acting being top 477 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,960 notch. Just lots of different grief. 478 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,160 She has one line the entire episode. 479 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,000 I'm not sure if y'all realize that she says one sentence the 480 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,280 whole episode. It's hard to do that. 481 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,360 Sean, I, I, I remember you and I noticed that maybe one time in 482 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,320 the show Vikings really long ago, there was an episode of 483 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,440 Ragnar only said like one line the whole episode and we thought 484 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,760 that was pretty cool. Now it's not nearly as artful as 485 00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,960 this one. It certainly doesn't have the 486 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,480 grief. The challenge for the acting 487 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,160 isn't quite as as intense, but it still was a really difficult 488 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,040 thing to do and he had to do a lot of things with just his 489 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,920 face. And I think this is this is 490 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,600 that, but maybe boosted a few levels. 491 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,720 Filmmaking is a collaborative effort too. 492 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,040 It required good writing and editing and directing and 493 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,680 everything. And, and they had a different 494 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,920 angle to this too. Cyrax does a lot of the emoting 495 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,920 for Rain era because there's the mournful roaring and the the 496 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,160 anger and a few of the things that can be expressed through 497 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,240 the dragon instead, which I think is pretty clever. 498 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,600 And although to be fair, it's something they've done before. 499 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,960 It's always good. That's what people think. 500 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,680 Maybe a lot like Cyrax and it makes sense. 501 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,040 I I think I like to choose that interpretation, yes. 502 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,000 But we don't. I thought about this too, that 503 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,680 even if it is her egg, she might not necessarily even realize 504 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,000 that. As far as I know the Dragons 505 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000 don't like hatch and raise their own babies. 506 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,040 So she might not necessarily have an emotional connection. 507 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,840 It might just be the reflection of the dragon and dragon rider, 508 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,200 but it could be another layer that was in her also. 509 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320 Absolutely, absolutely. I'm, I'm totally down for that, 510 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560 that theory. So part of what Damon and 511 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,000 Rainier, I'm sorry, Damon and Rainey's talked about was how 512 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,520 it's painful for a mother to receive news of their child's 513 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,520 death via Raven and they need to go seek proof of it being real 514 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,120 because it's too not. Easy is the wrong word, but your 515 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,960 mind apparently will refuse to accept it given it's such a 516 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:35,320 tragic thing to have to accept. And Rainey's knows this from 517 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,400 experience. And it's one of the few things 518 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,440 that gets Damon to back down a little in this moment. 519 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,320 Because the mention of Lena definitely like brings him up a 520 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,440 little short. He's not takes away a little of 521 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,200 his anger, remembering her and her bravery, especially 'cause 522 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,640 this was Veigar's previous rider. 523 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,000 So it's he's got a whole lot of feelings about this 'cause he's 524 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,120 like, I'm going to go kill Veigar. 525 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,000 He doesn't even say Ayman's name in that moment. 526 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,000 He says if we kill Veigar and her rider, like he doesn't even 527 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,200 want to say the guy's name. So this whole bit about Ravens 528 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,880 and and delivering news is a big part of the episode as well 529 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,880 'cause obviously it's it's how news gets to the north as well. 530 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,320 So when she finds the there's the moment where Rainier lands 531 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,400 Cyrax on the beach and rips everything apart. 532 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,560 And not rips everything apart, but pulls the net out and gets 533 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,360 the cloak and then heads home. When she does return, Damon 534 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,440 immediately just asks if she found what she was looking for. 535 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,800 Like, again, his impatience is there. 536 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,400 He's like, you were looking for Rainey's told me you were 537 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,080 looking for physical proof. Did you find it? 538 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,480 You know, he doesn't say quite like that, but that's basically 539 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,760 what he's saying. And yeah. 540 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,320 And she nods. She's like, yes, I found the 541 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,200 cloak. And then, of course, a little 542 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,360 bit later is when they have the funeral scene, which we'll get 543 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,440 to in a, in a, in a moment. And this is when she does utter 544 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320 that one single line. I want Ayman Targaryen. 545 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,480 Everyone's like updating her with plans, like we're ready to 546 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,720 attack. We're ready to do this, We're 547 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,960 ready to do that. She just ignores it all, says 548 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,400 the one line, pauses briefly, kind of then walks away. 549 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,200 And they're like, well, at least we have a command now. 550 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,720 We it's not what we expected. It's not what we wanted. 551 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,080 We have these other things kind of up in the air. 552 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,760 But at least we have something we can go do. 553 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,280 Although really, that's just Damon. 554 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,440 There's no one that's not. It's not a call to action for 555 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,400 anyone else. Instantly, that's one way they 556 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,160 manage. This is when he asked her that. 557 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,760 She just nodded. She didn't say anything. 558 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,400 Yeah, she just nodded. Yeah, just tearful and. 559 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,320 She came around, you know, he was kind of cut her off as she 560 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,400 entered the, the council room, the painted table. 561 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,680 And then everyone's kind of given these reports. 562 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,320 And then it's almost like none of that mattered to her. 563 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,240 Just get aiming. Like, I'm not even thinking 564 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,520 about the war or the crown or the whatever else. 565 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,800 And it was I, I think when Damon was asking her, did you find 566 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,600 what you need? On some level he's asking, you 567 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,600 know, did you find proof? Did you find about whatever 568 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,560 else? But I think really what he wants 569 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,280 to know is did you find justification for me to go be 570 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,240 fine right now? Yeah. 571 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,200 You're right, yeah. Please do what I've been wanting 572 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,400 to do this whole time. Take me off the leash now, 573 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,600 please. Uncage me. 574 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,040 Unchain me. Yeah, that's what he wants. 575 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,280 And it wasn't quite the unchaining he wanted, but it was 576 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,600 something he could go do. And it involved killing and the 577 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520 action. So super chat from Dom. 578 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,080 Hey Dom, shout out to folk wise YouTube channel. 579 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,960 He says Aziz and Altchift X did the same. 580 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,880 Champing, chomping at the bit thing today. 581 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,800 It's a big question. Everybody knows whether in the 582 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,040 US or Australia, they want to know if it's champing or 583 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,360 chomping. Let's go to drift. 584 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,200 Mark Corley's limps to the dock with help of his cane. 585 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,800 He's still, you know, recovering, may be permanently 586 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,360 injured from his ordeal. And we meet the man that saved 587 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,320 him, a burly sailor named Allen. This guy's clearly in some kind 588 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760 of command role because he's updating Corleiss on the status 589 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,000 of the blockade. He says them seven more ships 590 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,960 were sent out to reinforce the blockade. 591 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,640 He says he doesn't think it's enough. 592 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,080 Corleiss is impressed, though, that his own ship has even been 593 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,360 recovered and that it's going to be repaired. 594 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,480 He says I want this ship to lead the blockade. 595 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,280 Yes, it's going to be difficult to to to hold this blockade, but 596 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,960 with my ship out there, that will help a lot. 597 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,840 Alan tells if it's going to be weeks. 598 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,240 There was a vibe in this scene, wasn't there? 599 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,000 Sean? This is where you being 600 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,720 unsullied or is really valuable because we obviously could say 601 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,280 some more about this, but we're not gonna. 602 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,760 And so I really want to hear what you have to say about this. 603 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,640 Like, what did you. There was something, there was 604 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,600 some unspoken things here, weren't there? 605 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,120 Like some stuff between the lines, Like how do you how do 606 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,240 you. Yeah, tell me what you think. 607 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,320 One of my first thoughts was, OK, here's a new character. 608 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,000 It seemed like they spent enough time to this incident, just a 609 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,720 throwaway scene. This guy's coming back. 610 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760 And it seemed like Corliss was, you know, expressing gratitude. 611 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,880 This guy saved his life, but everything, it didn't seem 612 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,240 cordial or or warm between them, you know? 613 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,680 So like, I don't know if there's some other past and it Allen 614 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:04,480 saving his life might have been begrudging or yeah, maybe it was 615 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,480 Allen's fault that Corlos got injured in the 1st place and I'm 616 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,960 not sure. And it that all that tension, 617 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:18,000 for lack of a better word, between them was also disrupted 618 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,040 by the presentation of this knife that was meant for Jace or 619 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,200 for for Luke, who's dead now. So like, there's, there was a 620 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,760 lot going on there that these seemingly stoic men were not 621 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,400 letting seep through to me as an audience yet anyway. 622 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,400 So yeah, I am intrigued. Yeah. 623 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,720 One, one thing I noticed was that, yeah, when Allen mentions, 624 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,320 he's saying I'll speak to my brother about what the 625 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,080 shipwrights can do, which implies his brother's a 626 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,040 shipwright. And that gives Corley's kind of 627 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,120 pauses a little at that line, but he pauses much longer when 628 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,800 the dagger is brought in. He's like, oh, and Alan 629 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,760 apologizes. He's like, yeah, that's I'm 630 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,640 sorry for the loss of your heir. And he, you know, he calls him 631 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,240 his heir, notably, by the way, not like your grandson or 632 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,360 whatever. And so is Joffrey the heir now, 633 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,960 the drift mark that hasn't been settled. 634 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,320 But that's a that's kind of an open question at this point. 635 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,240 So obviously the when one heir is gone, you got to that's a 636 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,360 big, obviously that's a big question in general for the 637 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,720 throne, but in places like Drift Mark too. 638 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,840 Do they re? I feel bad I I I lose track of 639 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:29,280 the names, but was it Lena who was betrothed to to Luceros? 640 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,240 Reyna. Reyna would she now give 641 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,680 betrothed to Joffrey? Because that was, but it it, 642 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,040 it's happened, but I I mean. It's a pretty big age gaps and 643 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,840 it and it seems key that the true valerian line continue 644 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,400 right which. Was that marriage was part of 645 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960 making sure that was done under the under wraps. 646 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,240 So you're right, good call. So yeah, this is all developing 647 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,360 situation. As you said, they wouldn't 648 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,840 expect answers necessarily for it right away. 649 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,080 But you, you really did point out several of the important 650 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080 bits here that are, that are crucial. 651 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,280 And yeah, there's something else going on. 652 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,320 They'll definitely explore it further. 653 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,720 That hesitation that that like you said, lack of warmth or for, 654 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,040 for better, maybe for lack of better words is, is there is 655 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,480 something there. You you picked up on it 656 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:15,520 correctly. I'm glad you did. 657 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,360 But we got a lot of talk about. So we'll come back to this 658 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,160 because it's like you said, it's just now getting started. 659 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,040 Mizar. Yeah, it's, it's just, I want to 660 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,120 say real quick, it's just like, hey, thanks for saving my life. 661 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,000 You're welcome. I got to get back to work. 662 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,520 Oh, actually, I'm glad you I'm glad you said that because what 663 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,800 he says it was only my duty, which again, big theme of the 664 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,440 episode. He said he did his duty and 665 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,040 unlike all the other duty in this episode, all the other duty 666 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,240 in this episode. That sounds funny. 667 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,560 There's duty comes up so many times in this episode. 668 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,640 This is the only time where the duty isn't isn't given blatant 669 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,920 conflict thrown in the midst of it here. 670 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,280 You can tell there's some conflict. 671 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,640 It just isn't clear what it is. So you know, there's something 672 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,280 it just isn't. You know you haven't been told 673 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560 yet. You know, the one place where 674 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,200 you would have thought more duty would come up is in the sewers. 675 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,280 Yes, right. There's hardly any duty down 676 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,960 there. There were two very, very bad 677 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,360 men, very duty headed men. But they weren't, they weren't. 678 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,040 They were doing their duty too, I guess. 679 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,920 Anyway, let's talk about Mazario. 680 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,920 Yeah. Can I add something here as we 681 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,719 segue to course? Because of course, I rewatched 682 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,920 last season leading into this and I remember something that it 683 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,040 clicked in my head that if we know when when it originally 684 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,280 came out and we covered it, if we talked about this, I just 685 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,520 don't remember. When Messaria meets with Otto 686 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,639 to, you know, he's going to pay her to find out where, where 687 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,800 Aegon is, right. And she has this demand. 688 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,000 She's like, look, I'll tell you, I'll help you here. 689 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,159 You're paying me money. But also, I want you to stop the 690 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,960 the the abuse of children in the city, you know, and he's like, 691 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,320 OK, sure, I'll look into that. And she says, and I want you to 692 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,440 remember how powerful I am. I could have just killed Aegon 693 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,880 like a wasp on a fruit. Don't forget you know where. 694 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,440 Don't forget who put him on the throne. 695 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,520 Right. And, and Otto's like I won't 696 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,880 forget. And that's on one hand that say 697 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,680 I won't forget, I'm indebted to you, but the other hand was that 698 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,200 I won't forget. I'm going to take care of you 699 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,720 'cause I can't have this problem coming after me, you know? 700 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,560 That's exactly what I wrote in the synopsis. 701 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,760 In our breakdown, I wrote, his way of remembering her was 702 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,760 burning her establishment down. Although he didn't do that. 703 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,760 That was Larry who did it. Exactly right. 704 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,560 I think she thinks Otto did it though. 705 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,240 Exactly. She's going to blame Otto for 706 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,640 that. Yeah, that's what I was going 707 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,200 through on my rewatch. OK, Yeah. 708 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,440 Whether or not that occurred to me, we talked about it a couple 709 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,760 years ago, I don't remember, but on my rewatch, I was like, I 710 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,360 wonder if she's going to hold auto responsible for what 711 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,640 Larry's did, and if so, what will the impact of that be? 712 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,480 And sure enough, we see, at least on some level, that seemed 713 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,080 to motivate her to help Damon out. 714 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,640 Right? Yeah, a little bit, yeah. 715 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,120 So we get started with her because I, I, I put this right 716 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,920 here because of the blockade and she's the one we talked about 717 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,320 Allen and and core lease and then there it's their blockade 718 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,480 that captures her. Where do we suppose she was 719 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,800 running to? I I guess Essos like she wasn't 720 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,720 going to Dragonstone on purpose. I don't think maybe she won. 721 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:14,560 Maybe she was going there to talk to Rainier because I don't 722 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,360 think she wanted to see Damon, though. 723 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,160 I don't think she wanted to be seen by him again, given the way 724 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,120 he confronted her and outed her for some of her things. 725 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,920 She talked her way out of much worse. 726 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,680 Like you said, she was guilty of a lot of the things he said she 727 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,160 was guilty of. He's like, she's like, I 728 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,880 couldn't have killed him even though she said he could. 729 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680 She could have killed him. And then she says, I all I did 730 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,120 was profit from it. And even though she tells Otto, 731 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,040 remember who put him on the throne, like like he's Damon's 732 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,760 like you put him on the throne, he's like, no, I didn't. 733 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,920 I just profited for his. Like, no, you did, you really 734 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,760 did. So but she's going to talk and 735 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,640 she kind of, you know, White wormed her way out of it and she 736 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,320 did kind of go too far there. She did overplay her hand with 737 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,200 Otto, even though, like you said, it was Allison's order to 738 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,880 Lars. Upon Lars's suggestion, Lars was 739 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,360 brought Allison the idea and got the OK in the same brief like 3 740 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,920 sentences there. And yeah, so she's despondent. 741 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,720 You can see why. She's just kind of at a loss. 742 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,120 She's lost everything. She lost her establishment, she 743 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,040 lost her connections. Cheese thinks she's dead. 744 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,840 So that's one silver lining for her is that probably no one's 745 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,680 after her anymore because they think she's dead. 746 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,160 But now that she's on Dragonstone, maybe her star will 747 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,600 rise again. I don't know. 748 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,160 There's a conversation she had she was having in the. 749 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,560 Trailer cheese thinks he's dead, thinks she's dead. 750 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,360 Yeah, Cheese thought she was dead. 751 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,680 He he, Damon brings her up to cheese and she says we thought 752 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,480 she was dead. He says her ghost talked to me. 753 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,600 He just plays it off and says her ghost told me that you were 754 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,320 gambling dead cheese. OK, yeah, I do remember that 755 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,800 moment. I just mixed up which one was 756 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,600 which one. Yeah. 757 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,560 So, yeah, so she's a very good liar. 758 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,000 And you know, she has, she did have some positive things she 759 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,360 wanted from her position of power, unlike most people, but 760 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,400 like a lot of. But whether you want good things 761 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,360 from your power or bad things from it, power can go to your 762 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,560 head and you can go too far. You can get loose with it, you 763 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,520 can get arrogant with it. You can think yourself safe when 764 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,200 you're not, which is very much as the theme of this episode. 765 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,720 The arrogance of the Greens and thinking the only threat is from 766 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,880 Dragons and there's no threat at all because they have Vagar, 767 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,400 leads them to not think that this kind of thing could ever 768 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,120 happen, which also happened to Mazar. 769 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,960 She didn't think this kind of thing would ever happen either, 770 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,120 I suppose if. Or she wouldn't have, you know, 771 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,480 gone so deep in with Otto. This may be a a little too. 772 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,240 I might be stretching my judgement on the the characters 773 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:47,960 a little too much, but typically people expect things of other 774 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,080 people that they would do themselves, right? 775 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,480 A liar is always suspicious that other people are lying to them, 776 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,760 whereas an honest person, it might be very naive to the fact 777 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,440 that someone is lying to them because that does that make 778 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,360 sense? So Damon would do something 779 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,800 underhanded and murderous. We've seen him do it multiple 780 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,120 times. The Greens, maybe not so much. 781 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,080 Maybe that's why they weren't expecting this. 782 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,000 They they didn't. They are more honorable in their 783 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160 approach to this war. You know, maybe I'm giving him 784 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,560 too much credit, but. Well, it's not. 785 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,960 Maybe not. Honorable isn't the right word. 786 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,520 They don't have this particular brand of cunning. 787 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,680 I think their cunning comes in different forms. 788 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680 Like Otto was trying to. Yeah, yeah, Otto's Remember, 789 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,440 Otto ordered Harold Westerling to go to King's Land to go to 790 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,280 Dragon Stone and kill Rainier and her children gave that 791 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,960 order. Well, it wasn't subterfuge, but 792 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,480 what's the difference? It's still in order to kill a 793 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,320 bunch of children and like, so what's the difference? 794 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,480 He ordered him to go arrest them. 795 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,680 No, he ordered him to kill them. No, no, he didn't. 796 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,760 He he ordered him them to kill them. 797 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,480 It was like order to kill them. Yeah, he specifically said kill 798 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:45,920 them. That's why. 799 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,640 That's why he took his cloak off and said no, I'm done, I'm out. 800 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,680 I'm not doing that. I thought that was in the wake 801 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,600 of Allison saying, you know they won't bend the knee. 802 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,960 If you go tell them to bend the knee, they're not going to do 803 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,520 it. And then he orders Westland go 804 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,680 arrest them, which is in the context. 805 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,120 He specifically says kill them. OK, Yeah. 806 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:11,000 Also, I want to give a shout out to our boy Eric Cargill, Sarah, 807 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,560 Eric with an E who says it's a matter of honor that he defend 808 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,360 Mazzaria right there. And I just want to want to say I 809 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,720 appreciate the Cargills in general and and Eric for 810 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,520 speaking on her behalf. I agree, that was a really good 811 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,960 scene. Yeah, he kind of stood up to 812 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,200 Damon a little bit there. He could have just put his tail 813 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,640 between his legs and, OK, I'm in trouble with the Prince, you 814 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,120 know, I better just do what I'm told. 815 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,760 But he said no. Like, he still believes he's 816 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,720 doing the right thing. And on some level, I think he 817 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,880 might respect brother, too 'cause that was also part of the 818 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,880 point he made when Damon further challenged. 819 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,720 He was like, look, we joined the Kingsguard when we were 18, and 820 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,520 we're supposed to protect the royal family, and then royal 821 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,800 family turns on itself, like, so we don't know who we're supposed 822 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,280 to protect anymore. I think he made very It was a 823 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,080 cool argument for his attempts to be moral. 824 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,440 It was on multiple levels. It was very much the same Jaime 825 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,360 Lannister argument with that he presented to Brienne. 826 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,960 He's like, look, what are you supposed to do when your oaths 827 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,480 conflict? He's like, well, to protect the 828 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,800 weak, defend this the the women. You know, the king is always 829 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,240 right, but the king is the one killing the kids and the women. 830 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:17,360 Like what are you supposed to do? 831 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,720 It's the same dilemma. I mean, he's even a Kingsguard, 832 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,320 right? What side are like he said they 833 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,880 this has been their vow, their oath the whole time. 834 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,560 What's he supposed to do? Just drop it on a whim? 835 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,000 And for who for which side? How is he supposed to be? 836 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,560 He's he's just a he's basically a cop. 837 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,000 Cops aren't supposed to like make Supreme Court Justice 838 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,600 decisions, you know, like who's in charge is not his call. 839 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,120 So it's usually simpler, but it wasn't. 840 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,160 So that's again to the duty theme of this episode and the 841 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,000 conflict they're in. Yeah, I think that Eric does not 842 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,600 think his brother Arek is evil at all. 843 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,000 I don't, I don't think he thinks that. 844 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000 I think he he as he points out to Damon, Damon tries to call 845 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,480 him out on he's like, no man, I made a really hard decision. 846 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,920 So yeah, I don't think, I don't. I just don't think that he has 847 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,160 hatred in his heart for his brother at all right now. 848 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,200 Even if he thinks Aegon is not the righteous king, he he could 849 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,960 see how his brother was torn. Well set. 850 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,800 So let's let's move on. Let's talk about the twin flame 851 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,800 scene as I'm calling it, which or you could really call it 852 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,960 three flames because it was 3 candles and three things dropped 853 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,160 in the funeral pyre. It's Luke's funeral interspersed 854 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,960 with Allison at the Great Sept. It's a really very well done 855 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,200 scene. A tear jerker right up there 856 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,560 with several of the other scenes in this episode. 857 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,400 Very tear jerkish in this one. First Jason Raniera are reunited 858 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,000 and he attempts to do his duty by delivering the results of his 859 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,320 mission but he just can't get through it. 860 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,720 Like he just starts crying before he can even finish saying 861 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,640 what he's got to say. And Raniera again says nothing, 862 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,320 just embraces him. Soon after they have the full 863 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,040 funeral. There's some interesting older 864 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,480 cow old man in this funeral who's like the only non family 865 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,400 member there. It's just a few of them and this 866 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,320 one dude, and maybe a couple of guards too. 867 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,760 I guess now that I'm seeing images on screen. 868 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,760 Oh well. They had a different maister 869 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,960 there and he's young, so I don't think this can't be the maister. 870 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,120 Maybe the Castellan of Dragonstone? 871 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,120 I'll just say the thing. I I've I noticed was when Jace 872 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,320 comes in to to see Rainiera, Bayla walks him in like like and 873 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,680 and gives him a little like squeeze on the shoulder. 874 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,600 Yeah, a little escorting him in as he's. 875 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:28,520 Yeah, I I appreciated that too. So it it's just like I said, 876 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,640 small ceremony. Balin Rainer there, Jason 877 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,760 Joffrey and Rainier. I don't think Damon was there. 878 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,120 Did Damon not attend now as I was writing this? 879 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,200 So, like, was Damon not there? I don't see him there. 880 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,760 He's still. Oh, had he already left? 881 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,720 But yeah, he already left. You're right. 882 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:44,640 He'd already left to go execute his plans. 883 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,680 He's already sailing to King's Landing. 884 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,320 Good point. OK. 885 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,760 It wasn't his son. He doesn't care. 886 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,320 I appreciated them giving that the beat to Reyna there, who 887 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,440 again, this is the death of her potential future. 888 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,160 This was her betrothed, as Sean rightfully pointed out a minute 889 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,440 ago a little bit ago, but I knows what the future holds for 890 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,720 her right now, right? Like she she doesn't have a 891 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:11,840 betrothed right now. She doesn't have a dragon. 892 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,040 She, yeah, I think she's a big question mark for a lot of 893 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,640 people right now. I don't know if you have a 894 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,720 thought, Sean, on where you, what you'd like to see for 895 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:20,240 Reyna. Yeah. 896 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,160 Where do you think? What's your thoughts on her 897 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,600 right now? It is a weird spot that she's 898 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,840 in, like Ashea said. Yeah, her, she's got a lot of 899 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,680 personal struggle, but her house too, if on some level, it seems 900 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:36,120 like a lot of these characters do share the importance of the 901 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,920 legacy of their families, if that makes sense. 902 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,800 So that's maybe just one small piece of the puzzle, but I'm 903 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,840 thinking about that specifically because if she does get 904 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:50,160 betrothed to Joffrey, that seems like from the, you know, big 905 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:55,960 picture political view. You know, even Lionel Strong, 906 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,440 who is kind of presented as like a a protagonistic wise 907 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,800 character, still wanted to marry the 30 year old to 12 year old. 908 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,280 You know what I mean? I guess he just knows like this 909 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,360 is just the right political move for the land. 910 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,480 Sorry about your personal relationships, whether or not 911 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,720 you love each other or whatever you care about the age 912 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,080 difference. This is just what you need for 913 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:19,360 stability in the politics. And I think I personally screw 914 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,160 the politics. Just step down for the throne. 915 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,160 Let someone else. All this nonsense for being. 916 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,520 King or who's gonna be is not as important as like a basic 917 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,520 morality. You don't sacrifice morality on 918 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,280 it anyway. But but I do see the importance 919 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,120 to how the the lineage of the valerian going to continue and 920 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,080 the inheritance of Drift Mark and it it just makes sense. 921 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,680 Okay, just marry her to Joffrey and that that solves all these 922 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,080 problems except that it's so messed up to marry. 923 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,840 They wouldn't be able to start having each. 924 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,480 Year old to a 7 year old or whatever. 925 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,280 Yeah, if the, if the, if they're trying to make sure there's the 926 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,120 line continues. Marrying like a 5 year old to a 927 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,280 16 year old isn't the best way to make sure they have children. 928 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,800 It's not that out of whack. But it's definitely like you're 929 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,840 setting yourself up for, for it not working out. 930 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,280 Yeah. So like there's one thing like 931 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,680 are they even going to be into each other? 932 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,280 It's, it's much harder to accomplish that for you to do 933 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,080 your husbandly and wifely duties when there's these things like 934 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,520 big age gaps that lead to you maybe not being so into each 935 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,000 other. But yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a 936 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,560 developing situation for sure. Drift. 937 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,720 Let's not forget about Driftmark when the Iron Throne is in play. 938 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,880 As you can see on the screen, I wanted to point out that 939 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,840 Joffrey's little, little 5 year old Joffrey's submission to the 940 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,280 pyre and you can see is Luke's toy he had clearly inherited 941 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,000 like he, you know, he had like maybe he'd be playing with them 942 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,200 because Luke obviously wasn't really too was, was too old to 943 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,400 play with his old toys. But you remember that toy was 944 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,560 the one that that he had as, as, as a as a young boy at the as 945 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,360 his old actor. Yeah. 946 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,160 We remember, I think we remember seeing it in episode seven or 947 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,040 something like that. Yeah. 948 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,520 It's a, it's, it's a definite call back. 949 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,680 Good catch there. I missed that one. 950 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,960 I, I totally forgot about it. I recognized it as Luke's toy 951 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,880 cause of course it's Luke's toy. They're throwing Luke's stuff in 952 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,240 there. But I forgot that we'd seen it 953 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,240 before. So as each item is consigned to 954 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:09,720 the flames, there's three items, one from each of Rainier, Jason, 955 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,200 Joffrey. Allison lights a candle. 956 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,840 So it's part of the paralleling going on here. 957 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,680 And and Allison, each candle represents a recently deceased 958 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,600 person in her mind, someone that's she's thinking of the 959 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,480 first being her mother, Allery Florent, then Viserys Targaryen, 960 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,440 her recently deceased husband, the king. 961 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,560 And then after hesitation and build up and you know it's 962 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,240 coming, she says Luceris. But you what you don't know is 963 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,000 coming is how she's going to say it. 964 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,000 Like you can tell she's about to say Luceris. 965 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,880 At least that's how I read it. But I was really wondering 966 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,400 whether she would say just Luceris. 967 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,680 Would she say Luceris strong? Would she say Luceris Valerian, 968 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,840 which she's? I don't know, but. 969 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,320 On edge just about whether she would bring herself to to say 970 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,520 Luceris. Thought she might just not do 971 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,160 it. At all. 972 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,760 And I was like, where's she act going to to to say his name? 973 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,680 I wasn't really on edge about how she would say it, I think. 974 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,400 I think I always assumed she would say just like how he's 975 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,960 he's referred to in world she would say it properly. 976 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:14,480 And that that moment got sort of addressed again later in the 977 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,960 episode when I'm pretty sure it was Amon said something to the 978 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,880 fact of she has love for our enemy, right? 979 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,480 She. Yeah. 980 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,720 Which makes her a fool, He. Was like on on her as the queen 981 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,680 or as the decision maker or whatever if she's sympathetic 982 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,720 with the bad guys. Yeah, definitely. 983 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:33,800 More on that later. There's definitely power 984 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,600 struggles going on in both factions, questions of 985 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,000 leadership in both factions. And that is another of many 986 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,600 parallels sticking here a bit longer. 987 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,120 This scene with the funeral and the lighting of candles is 988 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,280 another throwback to season one episode one of House of the 989 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,520 Dragon which had a funeral scene for Emma and Baylon with Cyrax 990 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,880 being mournful just like she is in this episode under similar 991 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,920 ish circumstances. I'd say this twit, this, this 992 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,160 three flames or twin flames scene, Twin funerals 3 flames 993 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,440 scene was the most obviously set up to be a parallel, but there's 994 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,560 so many of them. This episode in general I 995 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,680 thought was extremely well connected to itself. 996 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,360 The way the threads flowed from one plot line to another while 997 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:23,080 also connecting to other parts that would pop up later, just 998 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,200 like a tapestry, like the new intro. 999 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,120 I thought it really lived up to that. 1000 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,720 And I hope the rest of the season continues that well, 1001 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,560 because, you know, there's, there's always things we can 1002 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,000 criticize. But in terms of the way the 1003 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,320 episode flowed together and the way the different plot threads 1004 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,560 aligned with each other, I thought that was quite well 1005 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,560 done. What about you, Sean? 1006 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,920 You have any thoughts on the flow of the episode or anything 1007 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,440 along those lines? Episode Construction. 1008 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,040 Yeah, I definitely have several parallels to other episodes that 1009 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,520 I'm champion, champion at the bit to. 1010 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,000 Well, we'll talk about the parallels later. 1011 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,320 I just mean like your your thoughts on the how it was. 1012 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,400 But yeah, just recognizing how well they did that. 1013 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,040 I mean, it's just, it's just amazing writing. 1014 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,720 It's so well, so well done. I did want to point out though, 1015 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:09,000 one thing, that Elyria Florent. Alary. 1016 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,120 Alary Florent I I in my mind, I was just in the context. 1017 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,200 OK, that's got to be your mom, but that's that's kind of like 1018 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,320 just now made-up, right? Yeah, we did not know who his 1019 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,760 mother's name was or her mother's name was. 1020 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,440 That's. That ahead of the season, 1021 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,880 actually, Ryan Condall mentioned it in an interview ahead of the 1022 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,040 season and we were like, ooh, and now I see why he mentioned 1023 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,520 it because it was just prominently mentioned in 1024 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,240 episode. One, they had already written 1025 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,320 the name. And I'd like to point out that 1026 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,240 Alary is a is a particularly resonant name. 1027 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaking of parallels for her to have is her mother's name 1028 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,800 because the mother of the Tyrells in the main series is 1029 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,880 Alary Hightower. So Alary is traditionally, you 1030 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,000 know, a rich man, a rich woman name has been a Florent married 1031 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,200 into the Hightowers and then a Hightower was later named after 1032 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,960 it and then some Marjorie's mother is Allery Hightower. 1033 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,080 And so anyways, I, I, I think it's a brilliant name choice. 1034 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,040 Applause to them for the choice. Yeah, that was a good one. 1035 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,520 I agree with the Shaya. So let's let's take a minute 1036 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,760 here and say in addition to these cool shirts that we've 1037 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,640 got, that is a way to for you to support History of West Rust 1038 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,320 podcast. You can also join us over on 1039 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,520 Patreon. We will be doing some bonus 1040 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,560 material this season. 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Well, fox head symbol, right? 1069 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,600 OK, so also on Fridays I'm continuing with my Twitch game 1070 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,800 streams. twitch.tv History of Westeros. 1071 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,160 It's the game Crusader Kings 3, but it's modded to be Westeros. 1072 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,440 It's extremely well detailed and the game works like this. 1073 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:15,440 I play Lord, a lady, a king or a queen, and when I die I become 1074 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,920 my heir. That's how the game works. 1075 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,520 It's not just how I do it. That's how the game works. 1076 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,880 And you role play the character based on the personality traits 1077 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,320 they acquire during the game. If they're a fool, they're they 1078 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,360 act foolishly. If they're intelligent, they act 1079 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,320 intelligently. If they're a drinker like Aegon 1080 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,840 the Second, they drink a lot. If they're a psycho like 1081 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,080 Joffrey, I do psychopathic things with them. 1082 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,520 Yeah, it just depends on the character. 1083 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,520 And y'all, the people who attend always give me good advice on 1084 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,240 what decisions to make, who to ally with, who to marry, what to 1085 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,040 name our children, lots of fun stuff like that. 1086 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,080 So check it out. Fridays at six, twitch.tv 1087 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,000 History Westeros. A big question I have is what 1088 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,400 was Elena whispering? There's I think we're just 1089 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,400 getting to the tip of the spear with Elena. 1090 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,840 We might see her family start to figure out that she's been 1091 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,800 having visions and dreams. Maybe not. 1092 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,800 But we asked Ryan Condall in our interview with him if if anyone 1093 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,960 had noticed that she predicts the future sometimes. 1094 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,120 And he didn't give a straight answer, but basically he said 1095 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,640 yes. He didn't say who, he said some. 1096 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,680 People are paying attention I think is how he worded. 1097 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,480 It right? Yeah, it was a very diplomatic 1098 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,680 answer, but it wasn't a no. It was not a no. 1099 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,760 It wasn't a negative either. It wasn't a like he wasn't 1100 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,480 trying to steer us away from that and what we've seen. 1101 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,080 So let me let me get back to this original question. 1102 00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,600 She was whispering something when Aegon comes into the room. 1103 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:38,200 And the, in retrospect, sad foreshadowing for which child is 1104 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,120 which. Even Aegon can't recognize which 1105 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,720 kid is which his own son. He's like looking for his son. 1106 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:43,640 He's like, oh, that's my daughter. 1107 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,920 Where's Aegon? You know, and I. 1108 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,400 Actually had to rewind that and like what? 1109 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,640 Why did he walk? Oh, it's hard to tell the twins 1110 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,440 apart, you know, even his own dad or. 1111 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,480 Yeah, so, but when he comes in the room, Helene is stitching 1112 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,000 something which some some people's theory is that it's 1113 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,120 already a funeral shroud. She was already stitching a 1114 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,200 funeral shroud for her son. I don't know if that's the case. 1115 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,800 Maybe we'll figure that out later. 1116 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,960 No, it was it was green and gold. 1117 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,720 It was like their house color. So I kind of. 1118 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:10,880 Yeah, I'm not so sure about that. 1119 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,040 But it's a it's a good theory, at least worth considering. 1120 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,760 And but yeah, she's whispering something and the first thing 1121 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,080 she says is the only one or the only ones, and then I can't make 1122 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,240 out the rest. It's not on the subtitles. 1123 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,040 So before you say what did the subtitle say? 1124 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,880 The answer is nothing, because we always watch the subtitles on 1125 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,520 anyway. So I don't know what she's 1126 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,440 saying, but it just adds to the mystery of her as a dreamer, as 1127 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:37,040 a predictor, as a prophet. And we're going to do a lot more 1128 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,560 studying on her. And the show has given us a, a 1129 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,960 treasure trove. There's photos, there's images 1130 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:49,200 of her drawings and sketches on the walls on in a book. 1131 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,880 Yeah, she's got a lot. It's got some deep rich stuff 1132 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,000 that we can't get into now because it would be spoilery, 1133 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,040 because some of it's, of course, these are prophecies, some of 1134 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,440 them. And some of them, for example, 1135 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,200 there's a rat in there, which you already kind of know what 1136 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,440 that's about, but there's others that we shouldn't talk about. 1137 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,200 So if you figure out what Elaine is saying, please let me know. 1138 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,000 And yeah, or if you just have a guess, I bet a lot of you didn't 1139 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,520 even catch that 'cause I didn't catch it on my first watch. 1140 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:20,320 So yeah, it's pretty easy to miss. 1141 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,640 I took note because in one of the behind the scenes bits that 1142 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,400 they make for this, they pointed out I was like, oh, and I looked 1143 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,840 at it kind of superficially and decided, you know, I'm not, I'm 1144 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,160 not sure I want to figure this out. 1145 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,120 I want to ask you questions and spoil myself. 1146 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,560 Also interesting by the way, the subtitles you pointed out that 1147 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,880 you can't, it doesn't say what she said in the subtitles. 1148 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,600 There's other interesting things too about the subtitles that I 1149 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,560 think one time Carlos called Alan Allen, but in the subtitles 1150 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,640 it said Allen of whole. It gave his full name when he 1151 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,200 was speaking off screen and same thing. 1152 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,920 I don't I don't remember. I think it maybe eventually 1153 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,080 someone might have called those guys Blood and Cheese. 1154 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,920 Yeah, they are. They're in the, in the in the. 1155 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,440 Note from the subtitles is where they gave it in. 1156 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,200 The subtitles, yeah. Yeah. 1157 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:10,720 Can I say a fun fact about Blood and Cheese that in the rehearsal 1158 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:14,600 scripts they were not referred to as Blood and Cheese. 1159 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,720 They were referred to as Boris and Charlie, which is very funny 1160 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:26,400 to me because of Charlie Kelly from It's Always Sunny in 1161 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,520 Philadelphia. Who? 1162 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,520 Being a rat catcher. Yeah, he's always bashing rats. 1163 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,000 He looks kind of like him. He's always eating cheese. 1164 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,440 And now they call him Charlie. I'm just very tickled. 1165 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,440 I made some edits for our breakdown video of that. 1166 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,520 The parallels are overwhelming between Charlie and cheese. 1167 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,040 Other than the murder, you know, and the gambling debts, I guess. 1168 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,640 But and the violence. But Charlie's a little violent. 1169 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,080 But yeah, the cheese part, even he's they're both obsessed with 1170 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,360 cheese. It's great. 1171 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,800 It's so my other. OK, so there's another go. 1172 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,000 Go ahead. We know those It's Always Sunny 1173 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,160 guys are fans of Yeah writings in general. 1174 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,640 They even got little cameos in Game of Thrones. 1175 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,080 Right, they did, and David and Dan had cameos and It's Always 1176 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,080 Sunny. Maybe Ryan Condall will as well. 1177 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,520 So that brings me to another of my favorite parallels. 1178 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,480 Since the Shaya mentioned the It's Always Sunny crossover, I'm 1179 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,520 going to mention the Office crossover. 1180 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,080 There was an Office crossover. Aegon the Second said a line 1181 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,040 worthy of Michael Scott, which was one of his drinking buddies 1182 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,200 asked him would you rather be loved or feared? 1183 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,680 And he goes, it's got to be both. 1184 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,920 Michael Scott's for said goes farther and says, I want them to 1185 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,800 be fear how much they love me, which would have been perfect 1186 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,800 for Aegon to say. And I really wonder if that was 1187 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,640 just something they didn't. I don't know if they I wonder if 1188 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,480 they realized they were basically channeling the office 1189 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,880 there. But either way, I love it 1190 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,200 whether it was intentional or not. 1191 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,120 How good is this casting by the way? 1192 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,640 Like Blood and Cheese were great. 1193 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,120 Like that guys voice was just so intimidating and terrifying. 1194 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,000 Like I tell you, if that guy was 10 years older, he could have 1195 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,880 given Rory McCann a run for his money trying out for the Hounds 1196 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,640 role. I don't think he would have won, 1197 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,080 but he would have been made the cut to the finals there. 1198 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,160 That voice is great. I think he should have a voice 1199 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,840 off with Christian Bale's Batman. 1200 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,320 Who can go deeper? Yeah. 1201 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,040 It's like, well, yeah, they should have like a little screen 1202 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,600 that's like, shows their decibels, like how low, like how 1203 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,160 low, like what pitch they had, like, like who can get lower 1204 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,520 instead of like, yeah, like, who can hit the lower bass notes? 1205 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,680 Like, yeah, yeah. Thea was amazing as Elena. 1206 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,360 Like she's playing someone that's a little or a lot 1207 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,880 neurodivergent. I I I'm not capable of making a 1208 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,920 diagnosis and we're not supposed to know exactly. 1209 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,200 But she's clearly neurodivergent in some way. 1210 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:48,040 And this shows up in her reactions and in her plea to her 1211 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,280 husband that she's afraid of the rats. 1212 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,400 And to his And his reaction is just, it's almost comical. 1213 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,560 It's just tragic but comical because if you know what's going 1214 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:57,880 to happen, it's tragic and funny. 1215 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,760 If you don't know what's going to happen, it's probably just 1216 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,160 funny. But maybe, you know, Helena 1217 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,400 predicts things, so maybe, you know, something bad's gonna 1218 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,720 happen. But like, the nursemaids just 1219 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,720 kind of like, look around on the floor like rats, like they're, 1220 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,520 you know, And Aegon has that humorous line. 1221 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,840 He's like, the Queen is an enduring mystery, is she not? 1222 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,160 It's just that he delivers it so well. 1223 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:22,760 And it's like, how do you add so much levity to this very dark 1224 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,400 moment? Well, by great acting, that's 1225 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,120 how you do it. You know, I, I'm glad you 1226 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,800 brought that up because that moment and a couple other 1227 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,720 moments, I feel like Agons had a little growth here. 1228 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,960 Like that was a very tactful thing. 1229 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,760 I think Aegon a year ago would have said something much meaner. 1230 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,280 He would have ridiculed her, or scoffed at her, or taking one of 1231 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,800 the maids in a room off with him, but instead he gave her 1232 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,600 respect it. Was a little, yeah, a little bit 1233 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,920 of diplomacy, Yeah, just a little bit. 1234 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,000 Yeah, he was confused. He knows that. 1235 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,080 He knows everyone's a little weirded out, but he's like, hey, 1236 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,400 we respect you still. That was basically what he was 1237 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,440 saying, you know. Yeah, like she come when she, 1238 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,080 when she said what if he doesn't? 1239 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,880 You know, you must not disturb him at his custom. 1240 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,680 You know, he's like, you know, where is he? 1241 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,800 She she says, what if he doesn't want to be king? 1242 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,640 Aegon could have easily said something snarky. 1243 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,600 I expected him to. I was ready for the retort. 1244 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,880 Like me, I didn't want to be king and they made me to do it. 1245 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,320 But I'm happy with it now. Although he probably isn't going 1246 01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,240 to be, you know, next episode already. 1247 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,440 He's probably, it's already going to turn quickly. 1248 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,760 But yeah. And the reason I think he's so 1249 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,080 magnanimous right now, and that was one of the suggestions for 1250 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,440 his name, that he was like a magnanimous is because he's high 1251 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,720 on validation. He just went in front of that 1252 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,640 crowd and everyone screamed for him and they were all so happy. 1253 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,280 And he's raising the sword in the air. 1254 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,320 And they're like, they cheered even louder. 1255 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,920 He's like, all right, I'm going to do more of this. 1256 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,240 He's like, hey, how about this? They love me. 1257 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,080 Wow, this is unexpected. So he wants to return the love. 1258 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,440 They love him and he wants to return it. 1259 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,920 So he's like, yeah, I'm going to be a good, good to the 1260 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,840 commoners. Let's see how long that lasts 1261 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,720 now that a commoner has killed his son. 1262 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:59,920 But, you know, we'll we'll see. But but yeah, I'm very impressed 1263 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,120 by the acting. And apparently he, like the buzz 1264 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,280 from the set was that a lot of people were impressed by him, 1265 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,440 too, just the way he brought that kind of humor to places 1266 01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,240 where it wasn't planned to be. And they're like, well, that 1267 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,360 worked. Let's keep that. 1268 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,120 That's really good. Can I say an acting thing I 1269 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,920 really appreciated about him? Yeah, his humor, he's really 1270 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,080 funny. But like there's also a certain 1271 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:27,680 a certain element of uncertainty of uncertainty that he has like 1272 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,000 you, the image I have on the screen right now, the way that 1273 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,600 IA lot of the actors show and in the books, they even reference 1274 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,480 it do this. The people who fidget with their 1275 01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,360 hands in different ways. You see it from Allison. 1276 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,800 You see it from Ranira and an Aegon here in the scene when he 1277 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,000 he was so confident at first to to just tell people what they 1278 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,720 wanted to hear. But as soon as he learned like, 1279 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,560 oh, I don't just get to tell everyone. 1280 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,760 He's like his acting. He becomes so much more like 1281 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,880 uncertain in himself. And you see it in his whole 1282 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,560 dynamic and his whole demeanor here. 1283 01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,680 And I just, I think Tom Glen Carney is a very good actor. 1284 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,920 Yeah, very well chosen. And it's very similar to Damon. 1285 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,360 Not, not the way that they're acting, but the fact that they 1286 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,480 are showing uncertainty where they didn't before. 1287 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,640 They're they're not sure how things are going to go There 1288 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,120 aren't things aren't going the way they expected. 1289 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,960 They don't have the power they thought they did. 1290 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,520 And he's he's he's not as cocky and confident as he was. 1291 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,800 He's got nerves and anxiety and and impatience probably more 1292 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,480 than anything else Damon does. So you're seeing a little bit of 1293 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,680 a different angle to Matt Smith as well, and I appreciate. 1294 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,720 That and as much as I agree so much with everything you're 1295 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,160 saying and my next comment, I don't want it to take away from 1296 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,240 it. But I do also want to point out 1297 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,320 that I feel like, like I was saying it, he's grown and 1298 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,840 growing because he does start off with the all right, yeah, 1299 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,040 let's give you the sheet back. And Otto's like, look, there's 1300 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,560 going to be a problem with that. And he's like, he he sees Otto's 1301 01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,480 point. He's not he wasn't just like, 1302 01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,120 screw you, I'm the king. I can do. 1303 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,160 He wasn't Joffrey there, right? He's like, OK, yeah, I guess we 1304 01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,720 can't sorry, we can't give you the sheet back. 1305 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,200 And so then the next guy he kind of puts down too, like he gets 1306 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,720 to be confident. Like, I'm going to burn that 1307 01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,680 stupid. Blockade, right? 1308 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,000 That's a nice complaint. But the next one comes and he's 1309 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,520 learned here his demeanor changed a little. 1310 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,800 I didn't have quite the confidence he had before, but 1311 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,960 he's learned because what he wants to do is reward the 1312 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,920 blacksmith. But he knows Otto's not going to 1313 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,120 let him. So he makes it hard for Otto to 1314 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,080 stop by saying, like, we owe so much to the common people. 1315 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,960 So now you know what I mean. He he's understanding how he 1316 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,760 just was taught that when the king speaks, everybody hears it. 1317 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,200 So he's like, oh, I'm going to do that right away. 1318 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,240 He's like, once I say it, yeah. He's realizing it, you know, 1319 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,920 people were going to listen to him, but he also doesn't want to 1320 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,240 create problems for himself. Like he's learning a lot. 1321 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,960 And I think that's part of what this scene was showing. 1322 01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,000 Same thing when Larris comes up to him in a moment, I start. 1323 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,840 If I'm jumping to your head, no. It's a perfect. 1324 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:52,560 Document but but he he doesn't. He easily could have a Joffrey 1325 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,000 or many other characters could have. 1326 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,840 He sort of saw through what Loris was doing right. 1327 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,040 He knew that there was something more to what Loris was 1328 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,160 proposing, but he didn't snap at him. 1329 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,160 He didn't take offense. He's like, tell me how. 1330 01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,040 Yeah. Like, he's like, let me learn 1331 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,360 from you. I'm learning a lot. 1332 01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,160 I'm figuring it out. Learning on the job. 1333 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,080 Taking advantage of like my dad. Tell me how to not be, you know 1334 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,920 so. Yeah, and that was a perfect 1335 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,200 example because Loris is just so creepy and his dialogue is so 1336 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,280 well written and he cuts to the chase just right. 1337 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,720 He knows exactly the leverage point to that you're anxious 1338 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,400 about the thing that will get you to move. 1339 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,880 He knows exactly what to say. And it was. 1340 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,040 It was. Perfect in. 1341 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,920 A diplomatic. It's diplomatic, yeah. 1342 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,160 He can't he, he gives himself an out like, oh, I just meant blah, 1343 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,360 blah blah, you know? He's like, oh, not me. 1344 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,560 He's not, he's, he's not saying name me hand. 1345 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:46,560 He's not saying any of that. He's just saying, you know, if 1346 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:51,400 you might want to consider that. Like he was your father's hand, 1347 01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,960 not your hand. You know, like you don't have. 1348 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,920 He's not your hand, he's the implication, is there? 1349 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,320 The implication of. Someone challenged him on that 1350 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:00,760 like, wow, wow. Just because it's your dad's 1351 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:01,960 hand doesn't mean you'd be yours too. 1352 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,800 I'm all behind. Yeah, you could keep him if you 1353 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,280 want. But yeah, you can keep him if 1354 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,280 you want as your hand. But you know, has anyone just 1355 01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,640 pointed out to you that you actually have that choice? 1356 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,640 And he's like he he kind of his eyes kind of go back like he's 1357 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,480 like thinking about it, like he never considered it. 1358 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,160 And in a in a few in a scene not too long after this, Allison 1359 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,600 basically tells Otto, they look up to you, all my sons look up 1360 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,440 to you, which was true, but not realizing that it's just been 1361 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,160 undermined, like just got undermined right before that 1362 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,120 moment, which is really good. Again, how shows how well the 1363 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,200 episode flows and connects and it's it makes these things 1364 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,760 easier to catch. Because it's extra ironic did 1365 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,200 that conversation Otto and Allison were having was about 1366 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,080 how he was undermining her. Yes. 1367 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,800 There's just another layer happening that neither of them 1368 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,480 are even aware of. Yeah, it's so well. 1369 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,400 Done it is really good yeah just excellent yeah and and Otto as 1370 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,840 well His his his way of approaching Aymond later was 1371 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:56,320 like super diplomatic super like he's like you got to learn 1372 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,680 discipline but then he which is like unlike your brother who we 1373 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,400 both know you're much more disciplined than him. 1374 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:06,280 It's like, which Eamon's about to like, say something and then 1375 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,440 he's like, OK, you just assuaged my ego. 1376 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,360 And we know that's true. We know that Eamon thinks 1377 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,000 himself superior to his brother. That came up plenty of times 1378 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,280 last season. And like, he's like, if they 1379 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,200 come, if they come to use me for the king. 1380 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:25,280 Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, So I love how they broach 1381 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:30,680 these topics and, and managed to like, drop negatives and praise 1382 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,680 at the same time and do it in the right order. 1383 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,960 Like, you know, the, the, the good cop, bad cop. 1384 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,960 But there's just one person there, there. 1385 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,600 He's a good cop and bad cop at once. 1386 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,040 Like Larry's and Otto both do it. 1387 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,040 And yeah, we may as well talk about it now 'cause you brought 1388 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,800 it up. That Allison conversation with 1389 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,720 Otto where they have their private moment. 1390 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,320 That was a great scene, too. First of all, again, great 1391 01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,400 dialogue, great writing for the for the words that they chose. 1392 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,400 I had a moment, actually had a moment of respect for Otto. 1393 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,440 Those are rare where she points outlook. 1394 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,920 If we're you and I are trying to keep my sons in line, how's that 1395 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,880 going to work? If you undermine my authority, 1396 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,080 you give credibility to this guy and this guy. 1397 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,320 But when it comes to me, I mean, she doesn't say it, but it's 1398 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,880 basically misogyny. He's like, well, you do it for 1399 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,279 the men, but not for me, you know, And that's not the word 1400 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,200 they choose, but that's basically what's happening. 1401 01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,279 And he agrees. He's like, I hadn't thought of 1402 01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:24,880 it that way. And it's like, look, we need to 1403 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,800 work together. We made this guy king. 1404 01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,359 And this is when, and this is when they start to make a 1405 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:31,720 mistake. This is when they realize this 1406 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,399 is when they're maybe not arrogance or maybe they've the 1407 01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,040 ship has sailed and they don't realize it yet. 1408 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,600 They think these still are still children. 1409 01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,479 They're not children anymore. They're like, oh, Aegon will get 1410 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,080 bored with ruling and then we'll take over. 1411 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,200 Aegon is just angry. He's just mad that he lost his 1412 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:47,640 eye. It's the, it's, oh, it's the 1413 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,960 Caprice of youth, you know, like, no, Aegon is fully ready 1414 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,279 to go to war and has a battle plan and all this other stuff. 1415 01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,000 And he doesn't, he's, it's not about his eye. 1416 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,840 He's got grander ambitions than that or something else He just 1417 01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:00,720 wants to prove. Who knows? 1418 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,760 But it's, it's bigger than they think. 1419 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,680 And of course, the idea that they can steer Aegon away from 1420 01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,560 ruling after all this is maybe not going to happen, but we'll 1421 01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,359 see. There's another irony to this, 1422 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:18,600 too, is that Amon might be thinking the same thing as Otto 1423 01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,920 and Allison. Because remember when he and 1424 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:28,600 Kristen got Amon when he ran away right when he was missing 1425 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,279 and Visaras had died? So everyone's trying to find him 1426 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,840 and they get him and Aegon is trying to like he's like, no, I 1427 01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,560 don't want to do it. Let me go. 1428 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,800 Like look, let me go and I'll I'll take a boat to Essos. 1429 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,920 You'll never see me again. Like and, and, and Eamon was 1430 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,479 kind of tempted. He's like, can I make this work? 1431 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,399 You know, like Chris sounds like. 1432 01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:51,720 OK, let's go now. Like I. 1433 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,800 Guess not, but. But Eamon might be thinking the 1434 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,600 same thing that Otto and Allison are. 1435 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,400 It's just a matter of time before this irresponsible kid 1436 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,880 gets bored and we can just give him money and girls and I can 1437 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,800 actually be in charge. Yeah. 1438 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,840 Yeah, I I agree that is probably that is that is basically what 1439 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,160 you're thinking. You're right to think that maybe 1440 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:11,800 Eamon think is thinking along similar line. 1441 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,360 Maybe he hasn't quite thought that far ahead, but maybe he has 1442 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:20,720 It's it's absolutely possible. So I like the King's Landing 1443 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,040 getting back to the blacksmith moment and tying that into the 1444 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,200 scene where Veigar arrives at King's Landing. 1445 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,560 Mostly I just want to point to the status of King's Landing and 1446 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,240 how they're on alert for dragon attacks, which is ironic given 1447 01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,040 where the danger actually comes from that they're not seem to 1448 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,560 seeming seemingly aware of now it might have seemed funny at 1449 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:42,640 first. It's like why do they just have 1450 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,200 the one scorpion? You know, like that's explained 1451 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,560 later when Hugh Hammer is sitting there saying scorpion 1452 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,440 takes weeks to build and we don't have proper iron thanks to 1453 01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:55,000 the blockade. So that's why they only have the 1454 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,960 one scorpion. It's actually explained. 1455 01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,040 And that makes sense. Why wouldn't they have had a lot 1456 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,400 of scorpions before? Well, that's an easy answer. 1457 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,320 Why would the Targaryens put those up? 1458 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,000 That's the only thing that kills Dragons. 1459 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,760 They don't want those dragon killing things you know out 1460 01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,760 there. They want none of them to exist. 1461 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,440 This is the only time they want them when the one time they've 1462 01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:16,600 turned on each other. So you would never see those 1463 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,200 things built in anywhere in the seven kingdoms cause the only 1464 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,280 reason to build those is to shoot Dragons, at least in this 1465 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,040 setting. There there are other reasons to 1466 01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:26,600 use them, but in this setting they're pretty much dragon 1467 01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,800 killers or would be seen as that you know to to the by the 1468 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,160 Targaryens. So so I thought that was cool. 1469 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:37,760 It's a small thing, but notice how even Loris makes this 1470 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,640 mistake. We're talking about when Loris 1471 01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,240 approaches Allison. So let's back up a little bit. 1472 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,560 We have him doing the same sort of open-ended question. 1473 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,360 He says I tried to see you before the small council 1474 01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,000 meeting, but your maid said you were indisposed. 1475 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,080 And of course she was hooking up with Kristen Cole and according 1476 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,160 to her it will be the last time, but obviously it wasn't. 1477 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,080 And then he says, I fired everyone in your household, 1478 01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,960 killed all the traitors and replaced everyone with my own 1479 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,960 people, which might include the handmade he just mentioned. 1480 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,400 And Allison immediately is like, great, she we already talked 1481 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,240 last year about how she was getting herself trapped by this 1482 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,920 guy. Now she's just like even more 1483 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,760 trapped by him. And you see her, she's taking a 1484 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,960 bath and she just doesn't want any, any of them around. 1485 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,080 She just like, she's like, no, get away, get away, get away. 1486 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,200 Everybody leave me. You're sparking so many thoughts 1487 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,480 in my brain disease. I want to point out that I think 1488 01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:37,200 that scene in a bath, not only does she not want those people 1489 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,760 around her, but she couldn't get herself clean. 1490 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:41,880 I think that's part of what's going. 1491 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,400 On Oh yeah, 100% yes, she there's no no amount of 1492 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,840 scrubbing is gonna scrub away the shame, the hypocrisy and and 1493 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,960 I'm glad she's getting some she deserves it. 1494 01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,040 But that doesn't mean she's not feeling shame in hypocrisy. 1495 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,520 Yeah, and she might not deserve it in this particular way 1496 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,960 because that was another scene from last season when her and 1497 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,440 Kristen were walking together talking about plans or the 1498 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:06,280 frustration were Minera and I can't remember what else, but he 1499 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,480 called her some awful name, you know, And Allison stopped in her 1500 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:15,040 tracks and she's like, so Kristen, like we're supposed to 1501 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:19,440 the the reason we are right is because the decency and honor 1502 01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,520 and that we have to stay decent and honorable if we're going to 1503 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,560 stay right. And he's like, you're right. 1504 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:25,880 That was beneath me. I'm sorry. 1505 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,640 But now that's gone. Like they don't have their 1506 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,360 pretense of righteousness anymore. 1507 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:31,760 Power corrupting them. Yeah. 1508 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,440 Good cats. That's a good, very good catch. 1509 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:38,760 I didn't think of that one. And also, I wonder if she, on 1510 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:43,720 some level at least, suspects that Laureus might know that 1511 01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:44,480 she's having an. Affair. 1512 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,720 Oh yeah, she. Wasn't specifically telling her 1513 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,760 that that she's got to be worried about it and Otto was 1514 01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,080 suspicious too. Otto gave them both looks. 1515 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,280 Yep. He gave them both a look. 1516 01:13:56,440 --> 01:14:00,640 And I think all of that is one, maybe to let us know as an 1517 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,640 audience that they're on to her, but also to let us know that 1518 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,720 probably wasn't a one time thing that just happened in a moment 1519 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,160 of passion. It's a routine they've got 1520 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,880 going, yes. And it was full of the symbolism 1521 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,720 of her putting the the white cloak back on him, which is 1522 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,840 like, they're like so paralleled. 1523 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:20,080 Kristen Cole when when he slept with Ranira. 1524 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,680 Parallels more than that, Sean. It parallels when when Allison 1525 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,960 dressed Ranira in that very room, like with a lot more 1526 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:32,360 lovingly before her. Yeah, before she was great 1527 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:36,200 catch, it was that same room and she she, you know, got her 1528 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,440 dressed for that. So yeah, I think it was a few 1529 01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:40,760 things. Also, the room that that Allison 1530 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,040 and Cole are in at the end of the episode is the same same 1531 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,920 room Cole and Rainiera hook up in the first time. 1532 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,560 Yeah, Allison is living in Rainiera's bedroom now. 1533 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,800 Like Allison has moved bedrooms to Rainiera's old room, Helena 1534 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:58,120 is in Allison's old room, Aegon is in Viserys room, and who 1535 01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,440 knows who else has moved around. And, you know, I'm going to open 1536 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:05,480 a minor can of worms here, but in the past, I've made, you 1537 01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:09,200 know, maybe have had a tendency to defend the gorgeous Kristen 1538 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:10,800 Cole. And. 1539 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:15,040 I have lost some respect for him so some of my reasoning behind 1540 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,960 and it wasn't so much that I wanted to defend him, it's just 1541 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,320 that it felt weird to me how much he hate he got relative to 1542 01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,000 how much hate Damon got it. It seemed like Damon did more of 1543 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,200 villainous stuff, but I didn't know where the story was going. 1544 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:31,960 And so, but I, I, I definitely like Kristen Cole took a notch 1545 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,800 down here in my so the Damon. Damon got worse. 1546 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,440 Also. David did get worse, yeah. 1547 01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,760 But on some level, hey, can we give credit to the player 1548 01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,560 Kristen Cole, who has slept with two Queens? 1549 01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,600 Who else just slept with two Queens? 1550 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,600 Oh yeah. Viserys Targaryen, I don't think 1551 01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:51,560 anyone says. He's. 1552 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:53,200 But he's a king. He's. 1553 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,600 Not Viserys. Right up there with the king, 1554 01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:01,800 the king level Riz. There's probably a few other 1555 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,600 people that slept with multiple Queens and they were all kings 1556 01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:05,720 so. There's a bunch of Kings and 1557 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,000 Kristen are. Part of one group, yeah. 1558 01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,200 That's pretty good. So let's see. 1559 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,840 Moving on to let's talk about the the small rest of the small 1560 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,800 council scene. So yeah, we have a lot of 1561 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,320 threads come back here that we've already talked partially 1562 01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:23,680 on. We have Aegon bringing Jerry's 1563 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,960 to the small council and this is both setting us up to grieve for 1564 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,400 the child and great character work for Aegon. 1565 01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,560 Again, he wasn't taught to rule and he was under parented. 1566 01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:34,840 So he's kind of overdoing it here. 1567 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,720 He's like going too far by Jerry. 1568 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,120 This is this is too young to be a council, but he's got the 1569 01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:41,960 right idea. We appreciate that he wants to 1570 01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,880 educate his son, the heir for the crown, heir to the throne 1571 01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,040 should be well educated, but he's not doing it quite right 1572 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,560 because, well, he wasn't taught quite right. 1573 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,400 And you can kind of understand why he's overdoing it a little 1574 01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,320 bit. And I just want to point out 1575 01:16:55,320 --> 01:17:00,840 that it's really easy to compare him to Joffrey, but it's also 1576 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,840 easy to contrast him to Joffrey because he's doing this sort of 1577 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,680 he's kind of taking abuse of his power. 1578 01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,160 He's making light of this whole serious meeting. 1579 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,720 He's manipulating and embarrassing someone. 1580 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,960 But when he goes a step too far and someone calls him out, he 1581 01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,440 steps back, and that's it. Yeah, right. 1582 01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:19,240 Like, Joffrey would have pushed farther. 1583 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,160 He would have made his mom leave the room. 1584 01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:22,960 Like, if you're gonna tell me what to do, you can leave. 1585 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,120 And he would have made sure that Thailand was Thailand. 1586 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,960 That's the. Yeah, Sir, Thailand. 1587 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:28,680 Yeah, yeah. Lannister. 1588 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,160 Yeah. So yeah, that's right, Sir. 1589 01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,840 Thailand. Yeah, where's Jason Lannister? 1590 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,880 He's the Lord of Castle Rock. He's still back in the West, OK. 1591 01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,720 And they're twins, so that's might be why you have the 1592 01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,160 confused. Yeah, but they're not twins in 1593 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,480 real life. It's one actor playing both 1594 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:45,520 roles, unlike Eric Ark. And I don't know about these 1595 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,760 Jahara. Jahara. 1596 01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,200 I think that's two, but I don't know. 1597 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,440 Probably. Yeah, it is 2, I'm pretty sure. 1598 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:50,880 Yeah, it's definitely two actors. 1599 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,920 As Allison and Kristen Cole enter the chambers, we we 1600 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,960 pointed out that Otto gave them a look individually. 1601 01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:01,120 Cheese is there with his dog and some dead rats and no one even 1602 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,520 looks at him. This is very reminiscent of how 1603 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,160 Ari was taught to behave like a commoner and reek as well. 1604 01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,360 Just keep your head down, don't make eye contact. 1605 01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,920 They won't even look at you the show and or actually has one of 1606 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,760 the best lines that speaks to this concept. 1607 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,880 He says like he's someone's asking how did you get steal 1608 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:23,040 this imperial like technology and he's like they're so fat and 1609 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,800 satisfied. They don't even suspect. 1610 01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,640 Suspect what? They can't believe that someone 1611 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,880 like Meek would ever get inside their house, walk their floors, 1612 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:32,720 spit in their food, take their gear. 1613 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,280 They just can't believe it would happen. 1614 01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,720 And that's basically the arrogance that the Greens have 1615 01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,600 here. Not just towards cheese, not 1616 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,840 just towards the servants that they ignore on a daily basis, 1617 01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:47,760 but the methods in which they are vulnerable to those people. 1618 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,040 They don't see that as a danger when it clearly is. 1619 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,520 A human being with a knife can kill any other human being given 1620 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,400 the right circumstances. And that's basically what 1621 01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,280 happened, so. And I think, I think that was 1622 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:03,080 another good moment of writing, editing, directing, because it 1623 01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,160 makes it more believable later when he just walks across the 1624 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,520 throne room with Aegon there, because he is just around all 1625 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,960 the time anyway. He is his presence is accepted. 1626 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,440 So. Yeah, rats are everywhere. 1627 01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:15,640 Like they it would make sense that he would be there like no 1628 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,920 one questions. It's like, yeah, rats, yes, of 1629 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,040 course. And there's just so many other 1630 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,320 servants walking around delivering drinks or who knows 1631 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,280 what. Yeah. 1632 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,760 So it just makes it just makes sense in that in that light. 1633 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,280 Now, Speaking of people looking at each other, there's several 1634 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,640 looks in this in this council scene. 1635 01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,640 Iron Rod has a snarky comment for Allison. 1636 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:35,920 Allison's like, did we get any word back from Rainier? 1637 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,440 And Iron Rod's like, yeah, the. You mean the apology for her 1638 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:41,880 dead son? And she Allison gives him a hard 1639 01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,000 look. Remember, she had it out with 1640 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,360 him during the coup. He's like, well, you know, we 1641 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,240 got to do this. And and he's like, if you make 1642 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,080 if you open your mouth one more time, I'm just cutting your 1643 01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:53,600 tongue out and sending you to the wall. 1644 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,600 And he's like, OK, so she doesn't he doesn't like her and 1645 01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,160 I don't think she likes him. But our Orwell grandma, Sir 1646 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,360 Orwell diffuses it by saying, you know, I do believe it's like 1647 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,200 this is indication that war is inevitable. 1648 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,080 Like he says it much more diplomatically. 1649 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,840 And then, of course, we have Aegon almost embarrassing Sir 1650 01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,080 Thailand. And again, Allison deftly 1651 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,240 diffuses this situation by blaming Sir. 1652 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,600 She puts the blame on him even though it's clearly not on him. 1653 01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,120 But she does that because that's. 1654 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,760 Who Aegon is upset with and she has to play along. 1655 01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,480 This is exactly like season one episode one of House of the 1656 01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:34,760 Dragon where Damon is just being a total jerk to Otto and Otto 1657 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,320 stands up 'cause he's like, he makes he brings up his dead wife 1658 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,280 he brings up Allary, who wasn't named at the time. 1659 01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,600 He brings up Allary Floren and Otto stands up 'cause he's like, 1660 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,200 you just insulted my dead wife and Viserys is like Otto, you 1661 01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,800 got to stop letting Damon bait you like that you got to stop 1662 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,080 letting him do you do that. He's like, I'm sorry, your 1663 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,960 Grace, it's the same thing. He's like, he's diffusing it by 1664 01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,360 the the there's one person that just will not behave. 1665 01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,400 So the the mature person in the room has to take the brunt of it 1666 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,440 and just be like, Yep, just sit down and let it pass. 1667 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:09,040 And yeah, yeah. So when they get back to the 1668 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,560 business of the council, rather than the distraction of of young 1669 01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,800 Jeharis, Thailand says his brother's leading troops from 1670 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,760 the West. And Otto points out that his 1671 01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,120 nephew Lord Ormond is leading troops from Old Town. 1672 01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:25,120 Easy to miss that, he said. Lord Ormond, which means Hobert 1673 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:29,560 has died. No Hobert, no Hobert. 1674 01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,040 We barely knew ye. That's Hobert Hightower for 1675 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,840 those new we like to call him Aubert. 1676 01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,240 Very French, but now we'll say Ormond. 1677 01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:45,320 Ormond And remember, this was the guy, the dead Hobert is the 1678 01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,600 guy who said hail, hail Aegon the Conqueror babe or whatever. 1679 01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,000 That dude, that's the dude who said that. 1680 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,280 Yeah, he did. He did now. 1681 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,280 So the way a lot of this proceeds is Aegon wants to 1682 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:56,960 intimidate other Hows into following them. 1683 01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,880 And it's straightforward. Like, look, we have Dragons. 1684 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,040 Why? Like it would be so easy, we go 1685 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,840 there, they would definitely say yes, 'cause otherwise we burn 1686 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,880 them. So why is this a bad idea? 1687 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,200 And Otto's like, well, you've already demonstrated your power. 1688 01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,800 You've already shown what Vagar can do. 1689 01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,040 Here we have talk of troops already mustering. 1690 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,120 We don't have to make any more demonstrations. 1691 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:20,720 We don't need to rub their faces in it. 1692 01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,040 We can just say, look, we demonstrated our power, let them 1693 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,360 join us. Let's send out our our letters. 1694 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,360 Otto's probably right under most circumstances. 1695 01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,280 Kragen was annoyed about over the memory of egg on the 1696 01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,560 Conqueror threatening enforcing obedience through draconic 1697 01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,560 threats and approved of Kragen being more diplomatic and 1698 01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,200 speaking to common goals like unity, which remember that was 1699 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,640 actually very diplomatic of Jace too. 1700 01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,600 He says torn Stark would never have bent the knee he was so 1701 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,000 strong and mighty unless he believed in Egons message. 1702 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,880 He didn't do it because he was afraid. 1703 01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,880 Like that's the unspoken part. And, and Craig's like, yeah, 1704 01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:04,120 that's right, that's true. So in this case, I I side with 1705 01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,160 Otto on this one. Look at Burrows Baratheon. 1706 01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,120 He his loyalty was taken for granted by the blacks and he got 1707 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,720 real mad about that. So, yeah, you got to be careful 1708 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,520 with these Lords. They're proud people. 1709 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,320 And if you force them into something, they might go against 1710 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,120 their own best interests and be like, no, I'd rather be violent 1711 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,360 and proud than on the winning side, you know? 1712 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:30,520 So it is a real tight woke walk. And Aegon and Amond and these 1713 01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,200 guys, some of them don't really see it that way. 1714 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:33,920 They, they just feel like, hey, we're powerful. 1715 01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,640 Everyone needs to fall in line. And yeah, it doesn't work so 1716 01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,080 well. I remember again on the the 1717 01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:44,240 rewatch, you know when Luke went to Boris Baratheon that he was 1718 01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,240 gone with a stick and not a carrot that Ayman went with with 1719 01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,160 a big stick. But also, I'll marry one of your 1720 01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,520 daughters. A stick and a carrot. 1721 01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:53,920 They couldn't. Offer that up right. 1722 01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,560 And, and we see a lot of other people. 1723 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:57,960 I'm. I'm actually going to segue into 1724 01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:58,840 another thing I want to point out. 1725 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,600 We see some other people planning to use a stick. 1726 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:06,040 And as far as we know, without a carrot, Damon wants to go to 1727 01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:10,160 Harrenhall and he and and Aegon wanted to go to River Run, 1728 01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,400 right. Yeah, and they're like, I'm 1729 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,040 going to show up. My dragon are going to do what I 1730 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,120 say they don't have. They're not bringing carrots 1731 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,480 with them. And so maybe for a minute with 1732 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:20,000 the dragon in her face, it might go along. 1733 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,920 But I don't know if you're really going to win the loyalty. 1734 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,880 But I want to point out they are also they, you know, the, the 1735 01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,560 the greens are now also deciding to go to Harrenhal, right When 1736 01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,120 you're looking at that war map, right. 1737 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,720 So we have the Blacks and the Greens both planning to go to 1738 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,680 Harrenhal. Who's the Lord of Harrenhal now? 1739 01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,560 It's still Lars Strong. Yeah, Yeah. 1740 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:44,840 His character's even more integral, maybe. 1741 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,320 I don't know. He's not there, so I'm not sure 1742 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,120 how it's gonna matter. They've been talking about his 1743 01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,360 castle without him in the room. I know that's a little like 1744 01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,280 that's partly why he might want to know what they're saying. 1745 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,800 Yeah. Will Aegon need to go there? 1746 01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,440 Can they just go to Larry's and say, hey, your castle's behind 1747 01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:01,320 us, right? Like it's, I'm not sure how it's 1748 01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:02,560 gonna play out, but it's something I'm. 1749 01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,520 Yeah, he would have to send an order and maybe they would obey 1750 01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,400 it or not. Yeah, they're this is this is 1751 01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,200 going to be explained. You're right to question these 1752 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:11,720 things, but yeah, it's it's common. 1753 01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:15,440 I know you love how Aymond, just the first thing he says, he 1754 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,080 comes into the council room and they're like, wait, what are you 1755 01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:18,800 doing here, Alice? It's like you don't belong here. 1756 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,720 And he doesn't want her here or she doesn't want him there 1757 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,320 'cause she wants. They want to isolate Aegon and 1758 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,440 and convince him of the things that they think are right 1759 01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:28,200 without the influence of their this aggressive younger brother 1760 01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,240 who clearly has some violent intentions. 1761 01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,000 And but Aegon like wanting Jaharis there. 1762 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,520 He wants his brother there. He trusts his brother and and 1763 01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:42,080 relies on him and and Eamon immediately walks to the map and 1764 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:46,400 says we got to go for Harrenhal. And it's like, this isn't a 1765 01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,280 coincidence. This isn't random. 1766 01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,280 This is because, yeah, it's these are two military minded 1767 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,280 men who made the same strategic decision, the same strategic 1768 01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:56,520 realization. Yeah. 1769 01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,640 And they're right. I mean, it does run like that's 1770 01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,200 the reason so many other things have happened around Heron Hall 1771 01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,280 and in other parts of the story and other timelines. 1772 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,640 And it's probably why Heron Hall was built where it is. 1773 01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,240 That's why Heron. Oh yeah, that is the strategic 1774 01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,640 spot. Yes, you are correct, Sir. 1775 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:17,000 So they also Rainey's and Rainey's, yes. 1776 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,240 And Otto and Allison on their side do not want it to become a 1777 01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,040 war of Dragons. They want it to be just keep it 1778 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,280 a war of men. And then, you know, they're 1779 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,720 they're still trying to have some restraint like yes, 1780 01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,720 children have been killed. Yes, this is the throne has been 1781 01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,400 stolen. There's different levels of this 1782 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,920 where someone like Amon wants to go straight to Dragons, Damon 1783 01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:36,360 wants to go straight to Dragons. But some of the other folks here 1784 01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,080 are just like, okay, we could there's there's levels to this. 1785 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:45,480 You know, it's DEFCON 12345. It isn't just war or not war and 1786 01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:48,000 but too many people, just not enough people see it that way I 1787 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,600 guess. Super chat from Fernando Corona. 1788 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,840 Love how Team Black is still somehow more likable than the 1789 01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,680 Greens after having a child's head sawed off. 1790 01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,960 Cole and Allison are just awful. Yeah, we all have our opinions, 1791 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,480 don't we? I think a lot of opinions will 1792 01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:03,800 change over the course of the season, but maybe not maybe not. 1793 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:07,000 I mean, like, like Fernando's almost certainly read the book 1794 01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,480 already. So these these opinions aren't 1795 01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:10,800 likely to shift a whole lot, but maybe they will for the the the 1796 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,920 show versions and not. I don't think Allison is awful 1797 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,320 in in the in the show. I do think she's pretty awful in 1798 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,400 the book, but. However awful she is, I I could 1799 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,520 even entertain the argument that she's awful. 1800 01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:24,280 She's not as awful as Damon. Yeah. 1801 01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,320 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no question there. 1802 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,080 I think power struggles. Let's talk about some of the 1803 01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,480 various power struggles. They play out in a lot of ways 1804 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:35,000 and in many places all over, mostly in the Red Keep for the 1805 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,040 Greens, also for the Blacks. We'll get back to that. 1806 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,240 Aegon's friends are where I'll start. 1807 01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:44,160 They're not really political actors, but they are absolutely 1808 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,080 influencing him. They are egging him on to use 1809 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,720 his power, which I suppose fits for a man named Aegon. 1810 01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,640 And they are drunk. They're almost as drunk on 1811 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,120 strong Line as they are on power. 1812 01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,200 Like, these are his buddies and their buddy just got made king. 1813 01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:58,840 And they're all like, oh, how can this benefit me? 1814 01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:00,440 We can party, we can do this, we can do that. 1815 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,480 These aren't like decent man. I don't know that they're bad 1816 01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:04,680 guys. They might be though, 1817 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:09,600 considering who their friend is. The the Aegon's rap sheet is bad 1818 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,600 enough that I imagine the people he chooses his friends are 1819 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,160 probably not the most moral guys, but. 1820 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:16,920 Take a moment and say who they are. 1821 01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:18,480 Yeah, go ahead and say who they are. 1822 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,200 We've got his little homies, little friends here. 1823 01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:27,040 He's got Martin Rain. We'd wondered before who that 1824 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:27,800 is. It's a rain. 1825 01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,080 It's now an extinct house. You're the blonde kind of red, 1826 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,280 I'd say red hair kind of honestly. 1827 01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:37,640 But Leon Estermont, one of George's favorite houses, cause 1828 01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,400 the turtle sigils. That's kind of fun. 1829 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,000 And red. Ned Waters. 1830 01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,520 Eddard Waters. He's a bastard. 1831 01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,120 Eddard Waters. OK, cool. 1832 01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:47,640 Waters. That's the one whose name I 1833 01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,120 didn't know, 'cause they gave away Martin and Leon ahead of 1834 01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,080 time I didn't know about. I was wondering what that guy's 1835 01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,000 name was, 'cause he, he's the one who said you're the king, 1836 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,880 you can do whatever you want. Which is exactly the kind of 1837 01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,200 line I wanted to point to. That's showing the influence of 1838 01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:00,840 his friends. And it's just make maybe 1839 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,080 corrupting him or pushing power to go to his head sooner than 1840 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:09,640 might have otherwise. And these this also reminds me 1841 01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,360 of season one episode. Rainey's speaking during the 1842 01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:15,800 tournament when people just start killing each other. 1843 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,920 She's like these young men, these summer children, they just 1844 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,880 got sent here with their balls full of seed and they just 1845 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,800 looking for a fight and looking for glory or whatever. 1846 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,280 And this are the these are the kind of people that are 1847 01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,320 encouraging Aegon to do the things he's doing. 1848 01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:33,560 These are who he's this is the kind of person he's listening to 1849 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,520 younger men who have no experience, who have never 1850 01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:41,160 fought in a war, who lack the wisdom to avoid such things, who 1851 01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,120 thinks that war is a good thing. Which, you know, again, this 1852 01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:48,040 this brings up a clash of kings. Catlin visiting the tournament 1853 01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,920 of the of of Renly and where Brienne talks about were the 1854 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,320 Knights of summer and Callan's like, yeah, you are, you know, 1855 01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,160 you sure are nights of summer. But I don't think we interpret 1856 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,400 that phrase the same way. You think it's a good thing? 1857 01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,160 I do not. I think it's it's a sign of 1858 01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:10,040 naivete and of hard lessons that need to be learned. 1859 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,840 And so this is a regime filled with uncertainty. 1860 01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,520 Got all sorts of people power jockeying for position, whether 1861 01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,240 it's the King's ear, 'cause they're his friend and want to 1862 01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,480 drink with him and just their advice is bad. 1863 01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:23,960 They're just, you know, bad company. 1864 01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:25,120 They're just a bad influence on them. 1865 01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,120 Or whether there's people with political aims, like Larry or 1866 01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,800 Otto or or even his mother. I'm going to try to have maybe 1867 01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,440 naive myself, but a a positive spin here. 1868 01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:39,040 Is it like you said, they were completely drunk on alcohol 1869 01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,720 there? Maybe power too, but maybe some 1870 01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:45,120 of the things they say in doing that moment, they rein in when 1871 01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,200 they're more sober and in public, you know? 1872 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:48,800 OK, yeah, maybe. Yeah. 1873 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,800 Like, I mean, yeah. Like when they walk through the 1874 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,360 the counselors like Aegon the Magnanimous all like they were 1875 01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,640 reasonably well spoken there. You know, that was it wasn't 1876 01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,640 like clown show. It was a little weird, the name 1877 01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,000 just being pulled out of nowhere, but it was given some 1878 01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,760 comedic delivery. But it wasn't like they weren't 1879 01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,240 looking like idiots in that moment. 1880 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,000 To the to the general public, maybe to us they do, but not to 1881 01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,400 not to the public. They looked normal. 1882 01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,840 I think they look kingly, I guess like a new king might 1883 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:14,320 look. I don't know. 1884 01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:16,960 How to say I don't know if any of you all watch the show The 1885 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:22,720 great To me, I saw a lot of shades of Peter and his his 1886 01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:27,560 friends, his entourage and and all of their activities. 1887 01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,680 I don't know if you were reminded of that at all, Aziz. 1888 01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,480 Absolutely. Especially on the eve of of 1889 01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:37,040 Freddie Fox being in the show. Who is also in the great And he 1890 01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,840 was kind of of that ilk. He was in his entourage. 1891 01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,400 Higher rank, but. And there's there's even like a 1892 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,920 black eye arcadie in that crew as well, who was always kind of 1893 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,280 jostling about as well. Hey, I love great. 1894 01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,000 Highly recommend it. And if you like the scenes with 1895 01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,360 Aegon here, I think you'll probably really like The Great. 1896 01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,600 And Elle Fanning, who is the star of the show, would make a 1897 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,760 perfectly cromulent Targaryen. So let's talk about these 1898 01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,000 various power struggles that mostly play out between a few 1899 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,320 different characters at a time. We got Aegon and Otto and Laris. 1900 01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:12,600 So I remember that Otto is trying to tone Aegon down, 1901 01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,080 confronts him during the petitioner session. 1902 01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,440 As we already discussed, he gets him to back down on the sheep, 1903 01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:19,120 but not the blacksmiths, right? Laris was watching the whole 1904 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,720 time. Let's not forget he was watching 1905 01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:24,800 from the gallery, from high up. And this is immediately after 1906 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,080 the scene is when he suggests changing hands. 1907 01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:31,160 Recall that it isn't just, this isn't just random and out of 1908 01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:32,680 nowhere. This isn't just Larry's currying 1909 01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,520 favor with Aegon, though that's probably part of it. 1910 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,960 Otto started putting pressure on Larry's at the end of last 1911 01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,200 season, and Larry's was flipped it. 1912 01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,720 He's like, yeah, but look how useful I can be to you. 1913 01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:44,800 He's like, yes, I've been talking to your daughter. 1914 01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,880 What do you want me to tell her? What do you want me to tell you 1915 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,440 about her? Like, I can give you all that 1916 01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:50,160 information right now if you want. 1917 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,600 You know, just don't he. This is the kind of thing we 1918 01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:56,520 would we would expect Varys to do his, his, you know, 1919 01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,800 counterpart in the future. There is a lot of difference 1920 01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,440 between these characters, but this is one thing they have in 1921 01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:05,400 common, which is taking someone that's mad at them and flipping 1922 01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,920 that into weight. I'm useful like I'm more useful 1923 01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:10,760 to you alive. And and let me let me tell you 1924 01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,320 exactly why. Here's some things that I wasn't 1925 01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,520 useful to you about before, but I can do that now. 1926 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,640 And that's kind of what lies like they don't give you 1927 01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:18,440 everything at once. Like, let me be useful to you in 1928 01:33:18,440 --> 01:33:24,040 spurts, otherwise my usefulness may cease entirely and then I'm 1929 01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,080 screwed. They don't say this, and 1930 01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,040 hopefully the other person doesn't roll for their sake. 1931 01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:29,400 Hope the other person doesn't realize it. 1932 01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:32,800 But what they're doing is rather than becoming a pawn, they're 1933 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,640 making you the pawn. Yes, yes, exactly. 1934 01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:36,560 That's a very good way to put it. 1935 01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,760 Yeah, 'cause Otto, if I remember right, Otto confronted Laurie's 1936 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,680 and said you've been spending a lot of time with my daughter. 1937 01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,360 And he's like, yeah, wouldn't you like for that time to be to 1938 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,240 your advantage? Yeah, it was really well set. 1939 01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:47,600 Yeah. Yeah. 1940 01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,040 It was like, don't you want the benefit of all that? 1941 01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:51,800 And he's like, oh, actually, yes, I do. 1942 01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,000 I was. Like, OK, OK, yeah. 1943 01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:55,680 Like, good, good point, actually. 1944 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,440 Yeah, maybe that's what I should have asked for in the 1st place, 1945 01:33:58,440 --> 01:34:01,520 you know, or something. So we already talked about Otto 1946 01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,480 and Allison's conversation, which I praised that that was 1947 01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:07,040 really well done. But let's not forget that that's 1948 01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:09,760 part of the power struggle, them trying to figure out how to 1949 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,240 control her children, his grandchildren. 1950 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,960 Meanwhile, Cole and Aymond are scheming two. 1951 01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,000 They want to convince Aegon privately to go to war. 1952 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,480 At least that's what they realize they'll have to do 1953 01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:20,360 'cause they know that Otto and Allison won't allow it. 1954 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,720 Aymond is really tough on Allison in the scene. 1955 01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,720 He calls her two tongue. He's like, she blames the war on 1956 01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,200 me when she plotted to steal the throne. 1957 01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:32,640 It's a good point by his by his that he's making there. 1958 01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,520 He's like, yeah, it's not that he's not blame has takes blame 1959 01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,920 for it, but he's saying I'm not the one who started it. 1960 01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,520 It's a fairpoint. It's a fairpoint. 1961 01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:42,920 It's debatable. I wanted to say something about 1962 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:44,760 Ayman here. There's something that we did 1963 01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,800 speculate last season about when he kills Luke. 1964 01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:54,280 Well, when he is present for Luke's death. 1965 01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,160 I don't know how to phrase it because it seemed like it was 1966 01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:00,480 kind of out of his. He might have been tempting 1967 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:03,160 fate, right? Like chasing him down with 1968 01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:05,600 Veigar, like, you know, man, what did you think was going to 1969 01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,720 happen? But it and it was also something 1970 01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,040 that we kind of took note of that the dragon riders maybe 1971 01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,840 don't always have complete control over their drags, at 1972 01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:14,440 least not when they're kids, you know, right. 1973 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,760 And so the look, I thought it was a really good moment of 1974 01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,920 acting and editing. When you kind of see the look on 1975 01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:28,000 Eamon's face after Luke has been killed, he seems kind of 1976 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,240 mortified. He's like, you know, what have I 1977 01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,040 done? Like on multiple levels. 1978 01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,080 Maybe he feels guilty about killing his. 1979 01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:37,920 Would it be his cousin? His nephew. 1980 01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,680 Nephew, nephew. Yeah, it might be cousin and 1981 01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:47,680 nephew with these weird Targaryen, but but anyway, he, 1982 01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,880 you know, might feel some guilt over that they were childhood 1983 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:55,040 friends, but he also might realize the implications, right? 1984 01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,320 Like how, Oh my God, how this is going to be interpreted. 1985 01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,080 What's this going to mean? Then on and on there was there's 1986 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,960 there was a lot there. And I remember us wondering 1987 01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,400 maybe me more so than you guys, because you know, what's going 1988 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,080 to happen in the books. But is he going to go back like 1989 01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,400 with remorse and regret and and but? 1990 01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:13,960 He didn't. He clearly didn't. 1991 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,080 Yeah, he clearly did. Not right? 1992 01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,600 Or is he going to double down? Like, yeah, killed him, I'll 1993 01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,960 kill him again, Who's next? And that seems to be what's 1994 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,960 going on. But I still believe that there's 1995 01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,600 some amount of denial in him. There's some amount of him that 1996 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,600 just has to decide to be the badass. 1997 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,480 Even if he knows he was wrong or feels guilty about it. 1998 01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,640 He just can't let that come through. 1999 01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,120 He just has to be like, I'm the warrior. 2000 01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,680 Yep, I'll kick your butt too. My mom doesn't know what she's 2001 01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,520 doing. It's it's just like his coping 2002 01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,320 mechanism for the murder that he committed. 2003 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,760 Yeah, yeah. And he's very determined. 2004 01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,800 He he calls his mother a fool. And he calls his mother Allison, 2005 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,720 by the way. He tells her by her first name 2006 01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,080 and but. So he called Penninette. 2007 01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:56,080 Remember that later. I want to talk about it later 2008 01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,760 when we get to the Helena and Blood and Cheese stuff. 2009 01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,640 Yeah, so he he calls her two tongued and a fool, but Coal 2010 01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,000 defends her of course, because they're lovers and he just 2011 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,240 blames Rainier for everything Allison does wrong. 2012 01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:07,120 He says like no, she's not at fault, it's Rainier's fault. 2013 01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:10,320 And he repeats a line he said in season one, episode one, I think 2014 01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,520 no, not episode one, episode 6, I think he calls Rainier a 2015 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,840 spider again. That's like a term he likes for 2016 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,840 her. So skipping ahead to we're 2017 01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,680 skipping, we're skipping around the blood and cheese stuff for 2018 01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,000 now. We'll cover all that at once. 2019 01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:26,840 But Otto discovers their plotting later and it's a a 2020 01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:28,920 blood and cheese fake out because we know they're in the 2021 01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,120 building, we know they're coming and they're coming for Ayman or 2022 01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:34,120 trying to. And as Kristen and and Otto are 2023 01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:37,320 sitting there, or rather Kristen and Ayman are sitting there, 2024 01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,360 footsteps come and he reaches for his sword and then it's just 2025 01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:41,640 Otto. So like, oh, OK, nothing. 2026 01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:44,280 So just a little fake out there, Shast. 2027 01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,240 He sends Cole away. He sees what they're doing. 2028 01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,920 First of all, he sees the map, there's coins on the map. 2029 01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:50,720 He could tell they're planning a campaign. 2030 01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,160 He looks at the books. It's pretty straightforward. 2031 01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,080 Just sends Kristen away 'cause he knows he can tell Kristen 2032 01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:57,760 what to do. He's got nothing, nothing 2033 01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,520 special needs to happen there. But with Ayman, it's again the 2034 01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,440 the discipline thing. He's like you're, you're more 2035 01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:06,400 disciplined than your brother. You know, the whole like comp 2036 01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:07,760 good cop, bad cop within himself. 2037 01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,760 So that that happens. But what I want to come back to 2038 01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:12,200 here is we don't see how the conversation ends. 2039 01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,040 It clearly does. His blood and Cheese later enter 2040 01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,080 that room and they're not there anymore. 2041 01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,520 I don't know where they went, and neither did Cheese because 2042 01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,120 he doesn't know where everybody's apartment 2043 01:38:22,120 --> 01:38:25,160 specifically are. But it's important to note here 2044 01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,360 that wherever they went, Kristen probably didn't go back where he 2045 01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:29,800 was told. He was told to go back to his 2046 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,840 post. I don't think he went to his 2047 01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,880 post because I don't think his post was inside Allison's 2048 01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:36,440 bedroom. I think he did go back to his 2049 01:38:36,440 --> 01:38:39,440 post outside Allison's bedroom. He's probably supposed to guard 2050 01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:41,480 her door, I doubt it. And then went into the bedroom 2051 01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:43,080 after he went back there. I doubt it. 2052 01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:44,840 I doubt. I bet his job was to guard the 2053 01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:49,160 Queen and the children. Which guard is guarding Allison? 2054 01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,280 If not Christian, is there another King's Guard that then 2055 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,160 isn't aware? They would have sent that guard 2056 01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,400 away so they could bang because it doesn't make that there's a 2057 01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,600 hole one way or the other and this makes this is a much 2058 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,520 smaller hole. Either you explain it as they 2059 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:05,240 didn't have a guard on Helena at all, or it was supposed to be 2060 01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,720 Kristen and then Kristen went away and sent the other guard 2061 01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:09,800 that was guarding Allison's away. 2062 01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:14,400 Which is just a really major mess up on Kristen's part as the 2063 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:18,600 Lord Commander, right? Because yes, you would say that 2064 01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,760 he should simply if he knows he's going to screw the Queen, 2065 01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,120 then give yourself the Queen's guard duty. 2066 01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,520 But if he's in denial about the fact that they're going to do 2067 01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:32,280 it, he would try to do anything to keep them OK from doing it, 2068 01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,880 right? He's trying to stop himself from 2069 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:38,640 doing it, so he's not giving himself Allison's guard duty. 2070 01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:42,320 Does that make sense to you? I don't know that he's doing 2071 01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:43,680 that. We just said we know Allison was 2072 01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,200 hesitating, but I don't know if he is. 2073 01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,960 It seems to me like he is hesitating, and it seems to me 2074 01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:52,240 like that explains why the guard situation is funky. 2075 01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,520 It's because he chose. To not. 2076 01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:55,600 Assign. Himself. 2077 01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,200 I see. Yeah, that wouldn't make sense. 2078 01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:58,240 OK. He just owned it. 2079 01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,200 If he just knew that, like I'm going to sleep with Allison, 2080 01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,720 then he would just give himself her guard duty and he would have 2081 01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,000 assigned someone to Helena. But he was trying to stop it. 2082 01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:09,840 I like that idea. That is very plausible. 2083 01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:11,920 It would explain. It would definitely help explain 2084 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:16,120 that that bit of of of arrangement there and yeah. 2085 01:40:16,440 --> 01:40:18,480 There's there's more explanation, potential 2086 01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:23,720 explanation too. Point A They're down 3 guards, 2087 01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,280 right? Three of the the King's Guard 2088 01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,960 are on Dragonstone with Ranira, right? 2089 01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,600 Well, that doesn't mean they can't use just other people. 2090 01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,000 They have guards. They don't have to be King's 2091 01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:34,680 Guard. Yeah. 2092 01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:36,800 That that's very true. There should have been some 2093 01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:38,640 guard I. Suppose in in the book it's just 2094 01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,280 two regular guards. It's not King's Guard 'cause 2095 01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,440 it's not King and some of the other circumstances are slightly 2096 01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,920 different. But yeah, so like to me there's 2097 01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,120 not much difference than two non Kingsguard and one should have 2098 01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:52,320 been Kristen Cole, who's such a bad ass, but he just wasn't at 2099 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:53,840 his post. Whichever, whatever his post was 2100 01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,760 supposed to be, he wasn't at any post. 2101 01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:00,280 So we know that much. Like one thought that I had is 2102 01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,920 it after, but when when they went and they were both missing 2103 01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,040 that Amon maybe went to find Kristen so they could continue 2104 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,560 their discussion. He's like, yeah, yeah, Otto, I'm 2105 01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:14,600 still making this plan. But but yeah, may Amon might not 2106 01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:15,720 have found him because he went there. 2107 01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:17,840 Yeah, there, there's, there's lots of, there's also just 2108 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:19,600 there's plenty of potential explanations. 2109 01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,480 There's also just a general arrogance that we spoke to 2110 01:41:21,480 --> 01:41:23,440 earlier that they just aren't worried about this. 2111 01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:26,640 They just this is this does not occur to them as a means of of 2112 01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:28,640 danger. And you can easily, there's a 2113 01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,760 million reasons why that would lead to them not having as many 2114 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,600 guards as they should and or why they just haven't handled it 2115 01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:36,120 yet. Why it's like, like you said, 2116 01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,520 like we pointed out last season, Otto mentioned that there were 2117 01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:41,680 two gold cloak commanders that needed to be replaced and they 2118 01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,440 needed to get around to that. That might have been blood, 2119 01:41:44,440 --> 01:41:46,680 might have been one of those too, 'cause that guy was clearly 2120 01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,400 loyal to Damon and hated the Hightowers. 2121 01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,120 That guy clearly needed replacing and wasn't. 2122 01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:53,360 So it just shows that they're they're they're a little sloppy, 2123 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,200 that they've they've been sloppy for a while. 2124 01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:59,560 And like Laurie says, I got rid of everyone in the household 2125 01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,360 that was a threat. Not, yeah, not cheese. 2126 01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,160 That's the kind of thing that would come up on a modern 2127 01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:06,760 security screening. A guy with huge gambling debts 2128 01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:10,080 would never get hired on a job that has access to sensitive 2129 01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,200 information or sensitive people. But of course they don't have 2130 01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:16,200 such things in this setting or era or whatever. 2131 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,440 Yeah, it it could be that they that Helena has guards but they 2132 01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:24,880 have to sleep at some point or that Lars disrupted the schedule 2133 01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:28,240 by getting rid of those people. You know, one of the pieces is 2134 01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,160 that's still not sure. It's something that could easily 2135 01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:34,480 be dismissed also. But Kristen is not only the the 2136 01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:37,960 Kings Guard, the Lord Commander, but also he was he was Allison's 2137 01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,280 swarm protector like that. That's how he started. 2138 01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,160 So maybe that just isn't the case anymore, but that would be 2139 01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,280 a potential reason why he would still be her guard. 2140 01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,560 There's less reason to protect her like she's no longer the 2141 01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:50,600 queen. You know what I'm saying? 2142 01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:52,960 Like she's not a she's not a target in that sense. 2143 01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,240 She's not part of she's part of the dynasty, but nothing flows 2144 01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:56,480 through her anymore like she doesn't. 2145 01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,840 So, so that's another reason why it's of course the heir to the 2146 01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:03,800 throne is more important. That's the one who you expect to 2147 01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,680 have protection and there's three of them just rather than 2148 01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:09,680 one of them, but also. And Aegon himself was just in 2149 01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:11,640 the throne room hanging out. I don't remember there being a 2150 01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:12,840 King's guard there. Maybe there was. 2151 01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:14,360 They didn't notice and there's probably all the guards. 2152 01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:15,720 There, there were other. Yeah, there were guards there. 2153 01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:16,920 There definitely were. Yeah, they walked. 2154 01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,520 They didn't. You could see how the guards 2155 01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,560 might have a hard time. There's so many freaking people. 2156 01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,320 They're supposed to watch Aegon's up at all hours, Chris 2157 01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,520 Don's with Allison and changing the guard duties, and this 2158 01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,800 Lara's guy just fired everyone. Like, sorry, we didn't have a 2159 01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,840 guard on. There, I think too many 2160 01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:36,160 Kingsguard Knights rise, too many guards are with Aegon right 2161 01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:38,360 now. Frankly, I think one should have 2162 01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:42,920 been with the children is is clearly, and again, I think that 2163 01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:44,920 comes down to Kristen as Lord Commander. 2164 01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:47,760 I think you're right. Else is really in charge other 2165 01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,200 than Kristen on that level. Yeah, Also in the book, they 2166 01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:51,800 said that they, the king was off the table. 2167 01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:53,560 They didn't even go try to go for him because they knew the 2168 01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:55,280 Kingsguard would have insurance Like, well, that's not even an 2169 01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,920 option. Let's not even try that here. 2170 01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:59,960 They're like, but the others, yeah, they're, they're, that's a 2171 01:43:59,960 --> 01:44:01,320 possibility. It's like 7 Kingsguard. 2172 01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:03,280 And as you pointed out, Sean, there aren't even 7 at this 2173 01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:07,200 point. So what's the reason I wanted to 2174 01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:08,120 talk about these things together? 2175 01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:09,800 We still have a lot of Blood and Cheese content to cover 2176 01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,160 separately. We mostly just talk around it. 2177 01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,800 And we we planned on talking about it separately. 2178 01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,880 And I think we're going to do that on Wednesday almost 2179 01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,960 entirely separately. But I wanted to talk about how 2180 01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:22,880 Blood and Cheese is clearly going to shake up this power 2181 01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:24,520 struggle. All this power struggle stuff is 2182 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:28,840 happening is going to be just thrown into a loop or thrown, 2183 01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:30,520 like thrown into the fire or whatever. 2184 01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,280 Just completely shaken up by this failure. 2185 01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,640 Aegon's got to blame people. It won't only be J Harris's head 2186 01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:39,880 that rolls, hey, and people will be blamed. 2187 01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:44,760 All these slack factors that we pointed out, all the laziness, 2188 01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:48,200 all the like, lack of security, all the not following through on 2189 01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:51,520 things, that's going to be a reason to change things. 2190 01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,640 A shake up is needed when people are making this many mistakes. 2191 01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,600 You're not going to fire the king, so the King's got to fire 2192 01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:00,760 the people that are beneath him. Whether that means he's going to 2193 01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:05,200 take autos or take Larus's advice and choose a new hand or 2194 01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:11,080 fire Laris or stop listening to his mother or promote Ned 2195 01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,480 Waters, you know, or something like that. 2196 01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:16,600 There's a lot of options he has. He could listen to Martin 2197 01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:22,800 Rainmore or make make the other guy the Leon Estremont. 2198 01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:26,080 He could make him his captain of the guards or something crazy. 2199 01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:29,200 Like there's all sorts of weird things he could do once he 2200 01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,560 decides he doesn't, you know, if he decides he doesn't like 2201 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,720 what's going on or the decisions being made around him as but 2202 01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:37,640 it's also probably going to shake up the blacks because it's 2203 01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:39,240 going to, there's already a power struggle there. 2204 01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:43,880 And as you said, Sean earlier, like Ray, Nira is not going to 2205 01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:48,320 be happy with this decision. She's not going, she's going to 2206 01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:52,040 be probably very upset. I, I'm very curious to see how 2207 01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,200 she's going to react, because I think it's going to be a 2208 01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:57,560 different mode than mostly silent grieving. 2209 01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:01,000 I think there's going to be a lot more anger and, and talking. 2210 01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,400 And this might push some of Damon and Rainier do a head 2211 01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:08,040 because I mean, it's not really what Damon wanted either, right? 2212 01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:12,720 He didn't ask for he, he didn't target J Harris, but I assume he 2213 01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,200 said it was an acceptable fall back option, right? 2214 01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:20,280 Because the way it's played out as he says, well, what if we 2215 01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:23,360 can't find him? And then it just cuts away. 2216 01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:28,040 But but Blood uses the phrase the sun for a sun, which was not 2217 01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:31,880 spoken in those other moments. So he clearly used the phrase 2218 01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:36,160 the sun for a sun in. Once he cut away, said he said a 2219 01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:37,480 sun for a. Sun, he said. 2220 01:46:37,480 --> 01:46:38,360 A sun? Yes, you're right. 2221 01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:41,920 He did no head, no gold like he. These are different things that 2222 01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:46,240 they're recounting. So how fairly or accurately the 2223 01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,960 recounting it to how much they have their own motivations or 2224 01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,240 whatever might be hard to say. But I feel like there's a 2225 01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:56,680 definite implication that Damon A, didn't fully think this out. 2226 01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:00,800 And B, when they bring up to him the problems, he says we'll just 2227 01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,760 kill one of the boys. You know, maybe he didn't think 2228 01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,400 that was realistically going to happen, but one way or the 2229 01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:09,160 other, it was very reckless and irresponsible what Damon set up 2230 01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:09,800 here. Yeah, it was. 2231 01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:11,080 It was sloppy. It was sloppy. 2232 01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:15,400 It was rushed and it was it's a partly because he was just 2233 01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:18,440 champing at the bed to do something and he finally got a 2234 01:47:18,440 --> 01:47:21,040 chance to do something and he rushed into it and he, he he saw 2235 01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:22,840 the opportunity. He was like, oh, wow, Mazaria, 2236 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,120 he did all the pieces just like fell into place in his head. 2237 01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:26,240 He's like, oh, yeah, I can do this. 2238 01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:30,240 I got the I got a rat catcher. It's easy to find some violent 2239 01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:31,080 guy. That part's easy. 2240 01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:33,240 You know, I can sneak him in. Boom, done. 2241 01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:35,320 That's really all he thought through there. 2242 01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:38,840 He's like, sneak a guy into the Red Keep tunnels, kill someone. 2243 01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:41,920 Yeah. He didn't really think it 2244 01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:43,480 through much more than that. So, yeah, this is what I meant 2245 01:47:43,480 --> 01:47:46,880 when I said we're seeing another side of Damon who's a little bit 2246 01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:50,160 less controlled. He's a little less. 2247 01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:53,960 He's more anxious. He's more uncertain. 2248 01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,600 Whereas before Damon was just so like, sure of everything, this 2249 01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:00,360 ultra confident, even when things wouldn't weren't going 2250 01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:03,600 his way, he would get mad. But he was still pretty sure he 2251 01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,280 had. He knew what he would do next. 2252 01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,960 Now he's like, this is he's out of sorts in this. 2253 01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:12,760 This is not what he's used to. Even he is is thrown off by all 2254 01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:15,120 this. He has to be worried about 2255 01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:17,640 consequences. He's never been in that 2256 01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,560 situation before. He never cared about the 2257 01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:21,640 consequences. His brother would bail him out, 2258 01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,920 whatever it was. But now he's in a position where 2259 01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:28,720 he he needs, he's part of a team, right? 2260 01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:31,560 Like there's more on the line and he should be worried. 2261 01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:34,080 He's still isn't though. He's still like in the past, 2262 01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,960 when he wasn't worried about consequences, he could still 2263 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:40,000 just be the badass that he is and his brother would bail him 2264 01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:41,760 out. But now he's in a situation 2265 01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:45,360 where people were counting on him and lives and war and his 2266 01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,720 family are all at stake, but he still isn't thinking about the 2267 01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:52,160 consequences. Yeah, OK, well, we're going to 2268 01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:56,080 talk about Blood and Cheese as a whole on Wednesday. 2269 01:48:56,440 --> 01:48:59,920 For the rest of this episode, we're going to go through the 2270 01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:02,320 theme of duty and conflict and all the different Easter eggs 2271 01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:04,320 that I alluded to at the beginning, and that'll wrap up 2272 01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,560 our episode. We can focus on Blood and Cheese 2273 01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,360 at another time, and that was kind of the plan going in. 2274 01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,720 I wasn't sure how much time we would have, but we're going to 2275 01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,560 add to it because we're going to also tie in some stuff from A 2276 01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:17,680 Song of Ice and Fire to Blood and Cheese, The Long Term Effect 2277 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,720 in a way that's not spoilery. So that should be a lot of fun. 2278 01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,000 Guy, I wanted to point out one little snippet I meant to 2279 01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,600 mention earlier when Otto and Amon were talking. 2280 01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,960 Yeah. And, you know, Amon's or Otto's 2281 01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:31,440 building him up. It's like, oh, you know, you're 2282 01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:34,040 obviously the most powerful force and all the Westeros da, 2283 01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,720 da, da. But he says there are a lot of 2284 01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,960 pieces in play, some of which you can't see yet. 2285 01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:44,400 And at that moment, I thought that Otto had some secret plan, 2286 01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,760 or maybe he still does. But now I'm thinking maybe that 2287 01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:51,760 was foreshadowing for them not seeing Blood and Cheese or 2288 01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:55,080 similar things coming. Yeah, maybe, but I don't, I 2289 01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,960 mean, that's not what I what I was referring to, but yeah, but 2290 01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:59,280 I mean. Because I think Otto's referring 2291 01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:00,160 to. I don't know. 2292 01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:02,080 I mean just. Just unforeseen things in the 2293 01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:03,800 future. I mean, he just just other plan. 2294 01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:06,560 He's just, he's just, it's just his way of saying I'm planning 2295 01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,360 lots of things. We'll see which ones work out. 2296 01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:11,720 Like he's he's trying to get allies and he's trying to get 2297 01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,760 power for their side and he's not sure what will happen and 2298 01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:16,200 what won't. But. 2299 01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,080 I want. To it just sounds. 2300 01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:20,240 It just sounds cooler to to present it to the king. 2301 01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:22,360 Now he's like, I'm doing so much you don't even know. 2302 01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:26,560 Yeah. I also wanted to point out like 2303 01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:30,600 a a little thought process or emotion I went through as I was 2304 01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:32,960 watching a show. Maybe you're somewhere around 2305 01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:36,640 the halfway point in my mind. I was thinking, what is I wonder 2306 01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:38,920 where is this episode going? What is going to happen here? 2307 01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:43,000 Because usually episode one is a lot of sort of set up stuff, 2308 01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,120 right? And you're not going to have 2309 01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:51,040 some crazy moments in episode one, but one, the whole first 2310 01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:53,360 season was kind of the setup and this is it. 2311 01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:55,120 Now is the time for the crazy stuff. 2312 01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,960 So maybe there is something. There is so much talk of Damon. 2313 01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:01,960 You know, we're near once Amon and like, would they really kill 2314 01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,240 Amon in this very first episode with that? 2315 01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,480 That'd be crazy. Like, it'd be kind of 2316 01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:08,040 disappointing for. Eamon. 2317 01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,400 He's such a cool character, but no one would see that coming. 2318 01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:13,520 I mean, that would be a shock maybe that when I in my mind, 2319 01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:15,560 like that's what I thought started to think was going to 2320 01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:17,520 happen eventually, like, oh, it's going to be a little kid. 2321 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:19,840 That's it. But also I realized, and I want 2322 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,000 to point out, this is one of the parallels that I was seeing it. 2323 01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:26,280 Episode one of Game of Thrones had Jaime Lannister push Bran 2324 01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:29,400 out the door after seeing him have sex with his sister Like 2325 01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:31,960 that. Not only do we have an innocent 2326 01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,360 kid get killed, turn out Bran didn't die, but in that moment. 2327 01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,080 It looked like he would. Yeah, it looked like he. 2328 01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,960 Would it seemed like Bran was dead and you also had the 2329 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:40,240 Kingsguard having sex with the queen? 2330 01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,840 Like that's straight out of season one episode one. 2331 01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:44,560 Game of Thrones is exactly. What happened? 2332 01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:47,960 Oh yeah, Dragon 100% yes, definitely. 2333 01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:49,840 I'm glad you caught that. So did I I was like, this is 2334 01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:51,400 like super sill. That's why I said at the 2335 01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:53,880 beginning I was like, there's so many callbacks, the game of 2336 01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:57,120 Throne, not just Hot D episode one, but actual Game of Thrones. 2337 01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,360 And I wasn't just talking about Winterfell. 2338 01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:00,560 Yeah, that was a really good one. 2339 01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:03,360 Yeah, 'cause it is Bran's cliffhanger virtue. 2340 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:04,880 Harris, you have all this, a lot of these similar albums. 2341 01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:08,040 You even have a follow up to that when when Joffrey tries to 2342 01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:12,360 have Bran finished off by hiring just random dude, which is a lot 2343 01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:14,600 like hiring Blood or Cheese, like someone who's not really 2344 01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:17,320 that competent and just not really having a good plan here. 2345 01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:19,480 And like, you were supposed no one was supposed to be here. 2346 01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:20,640 Remember, that's what the guards. 2347 01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:22,040 That guy says. He's like, no one's supposed to 2348 01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:23,080 be here. And Catelyn's in the room. 2349 01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,040 It's like Blood Cheese at the opposite. 2350 01:52:26,040 --> 01:52:27,640 Like, where is everybody? No one's here. 2351 01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:31,320 Started putting it on the spot, but am I going to be on that 2352 01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:33,240 episode on Wednesday? Yes, Talking about blood and 2353 01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:34,680 cheese. OK 'cause there was a thought 2354 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:36,040 that I had specifically about that. 2355 01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:37,600 Remember, I said. Yeah, let's say let's, let's 2356 01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:38,960 save it for them. Let's save it for let's, let's 2357 01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,640 talk about, let's talk about the the rest of the the parallels 2358 01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,560 and connections and themes. So like I said earlier, Jaime 2359 01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,640 Lannister would approve of this episode for multiple reasons 2360 01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:50,880 because of all the conflicting duty and multiple oaths. 2361 01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,240 Click all that. Let me just run through them 2362 01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:55,160 just to see how many there are. These are. 2363 01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:57,480 This isn't necessarily for discussion, it's just to see the 2364 01:52:57,480 --> 01:53:00,120 sheer weight of how much this episode delivered in that on 2365 01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,120 that theme. OK, so we have the Starks with 2366 01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:03,680 their duty to the wall and the South. 2367 01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:06,440 The first line of the episode is duty is sacrifice. 2368 01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,200 It eclipses all things, even blood. 2369 01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,960 All men of honor must pay its price, etcetera, etcetera. 2370 01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:13,680 Eamon and Cole believe they have a duty to talk the king into 2371 01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,520 accepting their plan because they think it's the right way to 2372 01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:18,240 proceed. They think that Otto and Allison 2373 01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:19,600 are too soft. They're not. 2374 01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:21,720 They don't realize they're already at war. 2375 01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,000 Remember, Sean, you said this before about the person. 2376 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,120 The first one to win a fight is the first one to realize he's in 2377 01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:28,720 a fight. Aymond and Cole are the ones, 2378 01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,320 especially Aymond most of all, and maybe Damon are the ones who 2379 01:53:31,320 --> 01:53:35,560 most realized we are in a fight. It's why are you pulling 2380 01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:36,760 punches? Why are you putting on boxing 2381 01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:38,480 gloves? No, it's time for knives and 2382 01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:40,680 Dragons. And yeah, this is this is full 2383 01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:41,760 on. I don't know why you guys are 2384 01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:43,320 waiting. And meanwhile, Otto and Allison 2385 01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:45,800 believe the opposite, that they have a duty to not let it get to 2386 01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:48,040 that point. They believe that they can stop 2387 01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:50,680 it from getting that far and can and should try. 2388 01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,560 And when Otto confronts Eamond about their secret plotting, 2389 01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,720 what does Eamon say? He's like, I'm just trying to do 2390 01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:00,840 the right thing for my house and my my family. 2391 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:02,640 It's basically saying I'm just trying to do my duty. 2392 01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,960 It's it's the same phrase said otherwise. 2393 01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:07,520 Eric decries the uncertainty of his duty. 2394 01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,560 His oath was defend the whole royal family. 2395 01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:11,840 What it is to do when they turn? What's he supposed to do when 2396 01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:13,960 they turn on each other? Of course, this is a call back 2397 01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:16,880 to the first episode in Reiner's voice over for the old king when 2398 01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:21,240 she says because he knew the only thing that could turn the 2399 01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:23,160 house that could end the House of the dragon was itself or 2400 01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:24,400 bring down the House of the Dragons itself. 2401 01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,760 And then Alan Valarian or Alan of Hall rather saying he says 2402 01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:30,760 it's his just his duty to save his Lord, which that's the one 2403 01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,560 we said must have some conflict, but it isn't explained yet. 2404 01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:37,080 So all of those were duty with heavy doses of conflict it. 2405 01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:39,840 Wasn't in this episode, but it was coming off the end of last 2406 01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:42,600 season that Renera also believed she had a duty to stop this from 2407 01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:43,600 coming to war. That's true. 2408 01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:47,080 Yeah, that's true. Otto came with these demands and 2409 01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:48,720 Damon wanted to chop his head off right there. 2410 01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:50,600 She's like, no, you'll have my answer tomorrow. 2411 01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:54,680 And, and in the council, you know, she was like, you know, 2412 01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:58,160 I'm, I'm, I'm trying to stop this war, that my, my duty isn't 2413 01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:00,200 to make sure I'm queen no matter what. 2414 01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:02,720 My duty is to protect the people of the realm and. 2415 01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:06,160 That's been a carried forward a little bit, but she's not really 2416 01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,640 expressing what her. That now, yeah. 2417 01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,640 We're not entirely. Happening here, but. 2418 01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:12,440 Yeah, we're not entirely sure where her head is at at the 2419 01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:14,600 moment, like what exactly? She's processing, what she's 2420 01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,640 feeling a lot of grief, obviously, But there's there's 2421 01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:19,960 got to be more than just grief. The more lighthearted pattern 2422 01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:21,920 common in all kinds of books and shows and movies is the 2423 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,680 interruption device. George uses it a lot, 2424 01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:25,760 specifically when discussing lore. 2425 01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,520 That's his way of using it. It's interrupting lore. 2426 01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:31,200 But it happens a lot on TV and other things too. 2427 01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:32,880 And it happens several times here. 2428 01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,840 You got Eric speaking to Damon. He makes a good point. 2429 01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:38,640 Damon's not sure what to say. But then Cyrax comes back. 2430 01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:40,120 Oh, well, I got to go see you later. 2431 01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,480 And Amon's arrival at the council interrupts a discussion 2432 01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,040 that they were just having about who should be the new master of 2433 01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:50,520 ships, and someone suggests the young Lord Dalton Greyjoy. 2434 01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:52,400 And then that conversation is interrupted. 2435 01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,360 It's the second time a conversation about the Iron 2436 01:55:55,360 --> 01:56:00,880 Islands is interrupted during a council session at early it like 2437 01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,200 it happened in Hot Day. I think it might even been 2438 01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:03,720 episode one where they were talking about something like 2439 01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:06,000 blah blah blah Iron Islands and Viserys is coming in and blah 2440 01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:06,960 blah blah. They just, they start talking 2441 01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:10,360 about other things so little. Like they're trying to remind us 2442 01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:12,360 that the Iron Islands exist even though they haven't done 2443 01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:15,240 anything yet. Cragan and Jace's conversation. 2444 01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:16,280 Yeah. Don't remind me. 2445 01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:18,480 Yeah. Cragan and Jace's conversation 2446 01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,080 is interrupted by a Raven as well. 2447 01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:23,280 So yeah, the Ravens are a big part of this episode. 2448 01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:26,800 The phrase dark wings, dark words is never spoken, which is 2449 01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:30,920 surprising given given how many other phrases from the past that 2450 01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:34,560 are repeated phrases come up in this episode, which is going to 2451 01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:38,120 be next it. But it's implied several times, 2452 01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:38,640 obviously. Jace. 2453 01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,240 Cragan. Again, that's dark wings, dark 2454 01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:41,760 words. And the North is probably where 2455 01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:45,000 they say that even more, but also Rainier and Luke getting 2456 01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,440 the news and and Rainey's explaining that to Damon and 2457 01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:50,760 bringing up her own memory of getting that from Lena. 2458 01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:54,720 And then Otto complaints that the North and the Vale have not 2459 01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:58,640 responded to their Ravens. And again, the Raven to young 2460 01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:01,760 Dalton Greyjoy is discussed. So these things really work 2461 01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:06,800 together, the the uncertainty of duty and the interruption device 2462 01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:08,640 and the Ravens. The Ravens are the interruption 2463 01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:10,600 device sometimes. Sometimes it's the Dragons. 2464 01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:14,080 Here's some other callbacks and references. 2465 01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:18,080 The episode title A Son for a Son has spoken quite a few 2466 01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:22,080 times, but probably the most meaningful of those times is the 2467 01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:25,280 time it said off screen. Given that conversation we just 2468 01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:28,080 had about how blood clearly knew the phrase, even though we don't 2469 01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:32,160 hear it said to him, it was, it was, it clearly happened, and 2470 01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:35,760 winter is coming. Perhaps the most stated of all 2471 01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:37,720 the house words except fire and blood. 2472 01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:40,360 That phrase was said and at a very poignant moment. 2473 01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:42,640 It was after that, right at the end of his speech. 2474 01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:46,400 And then it cuts to being light hearted where he's like winter 2475 01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:48,160 is coming. What is this then? 2476 01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:51,800 That chills my bones. And that's very similar to some 2477 01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:56,280 some conversations in a dance with Dragons, meaning the 5th 2478 01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:59,120 book of a song of ice and fire, where they're like, oh, this is 2479 01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:03,000 just a this is just a summer snow, which he also says this is 2480 01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:06,280 just the the the summer. What is it? 2481 01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:08,240 A brief summer snow, something like that. 2482 01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:10,680 This is only a late summer snow, my Prince, he says. 2483 01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:14,080 Yeah, that's it. You know, Allison told Kristen 2484 01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,720 Cole one of those scenes that there was a chill in the. 2485 01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:19,240 Air, yes. And in the petitioner scene he 2486 01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:22,840 says I'm I had to give up 10% of my herds because of winter, 2487 01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,960 which he didn't have time prepare for because they don't 2488 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:26,000 know when winter is going to come. 2489 01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:28,480 So yeah, three different references to winter is coming 2490 01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:31,320 and yeah, that's that's a pretty big deal. 2491 01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:34,800 So we also have that a line that we've heard before. 2492 01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:37,400 Do you think we built a 700 foot wall to keep out snow and 2493 01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:39,800 savages? That that sentiment, not those 2494 01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:43,200 exact words have been expressed, but both in A Song of Ice and 2495 01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:44,760 Fire and Game of Thrones that's been expressed. 2496 01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:48,800 I told you at the beginning that the drawing of the Blackstone is 2497 01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:50,760 a pair is something that has been done before. 2498 01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:55,800 It's done in I think Astapore, when Astapore is starving and 2499 01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,280 the different pyramid families are eating each other, 2500 01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:01,160 literally, and the one who draws the Blackstone gets eaten. 2501 01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:04,920 So it's not quite the same thing, but it is. 2502 01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:07,120 It is still drawing. The Blackstone was used in the 2503 01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:11,160 Song of Ice and Fire already. Of course, we talked about the 2504 01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:14,640 Aegon and Tauren changes. We thought that was pretty cool. 2505 01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,200 And Jaris and Alexander's Dragons not passing the Wall was 2506 01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:20,320 an interesting tidbit. In Fire and Blood, it's only 2507 01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:21,800 Aliceander's dragon then won't pass. 2508 01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:24,640 So they kind of emphasized it by saying Jaris's wouldn't either. 2509 01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:26,840 That's Vermothor, by the way. Vermothor and Silverwing. 2510 01:59:27,160 --> 01:59:29,320 I'm not sure how we're supposed to reconcile this with Danny's 2511 01:59:29,320 --> 01:59:32,080 Dragons crossing the Wall during regular Game of Thrones, but 2512 01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:35,280 it's all magic, so some magical rule changed. 2513 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,200 I don't know, Like the the bread comet flipped a switch. 2514 01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:40,240 I don't know the others appearing allows them. 2515 01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:43,720 I don't know it's it's got to be a supernatural explanation 2516 01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:46,280 because there's no rational regular explanation. 2517 01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:49,400 I don't think I. Figured just the Dragons back 2518 01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:52,000 then didn't have a reason to push up against it. 2519 01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:53,840 It was enough to discourage them. 2520 01:59:54,160 --> 01:59:56,920 And the Dragons in Game of Thrones did have the reason to 2521 01:59:57,120 --> 02:00:00,040 put them past that. Like, they might have balked a 2522 02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:01,800 little bit, but they still had to. 2523 02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:05,200 Yeah, I mean that works. Gone and Danny or whatever was 2524 02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:09,160 enough to strengthen their ability or resolve or whatever. 2525 02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:11,440 I don't know why I wouldn't work with Harris and Allison, but 2526 02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:13,080 yeah, I know. But it's it doesn't have to. 2527 02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:15,000 Like I said, it doesn't have to. Magical explanation doesn't have 2528 02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:16,280 to. That's why. 2529 02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:19,040 There you go, There you go. That's that actually is a pretty 2530 02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:20,280 good reason. I just think Harris and Allison 2531 02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:22,360 weren't trying that hard to get him to move past it. 2532 02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:24,720 I don't think they were like, we need to do this to save the 2533 02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:26,240 realm or anything. They were just like, oh, I guess 2534 02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:27,920 you don't want to. Go it was just more of a 2535 02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:29,520 curiosity right. They were just kind of flying 2536 02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:30,400 beyond the wall for the heck of it. 2537 02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,480 Although Allison does say in fire and blood she tried three 2538 02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:36,080 times and he wouldn't go so anyway it's it's interesting. 2539 02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:37,480 We'll see if there's any more of that, Craig. 2540 02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:39,760 And also says the line when summer first. 2541 02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:41,160 Yeah. When, when he's describing what 2542 02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:43,040 winter will be like, he's like. Yeah. 2543 02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:45,200 And all memories of warmth will be forgotten. 2544 02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:48,320 Which brings us to our one book quote of the episode. 2545 02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:53,360 Because that line is in Bran's coma dream quote. 2546 02:00:54,120 --> 02:00:59,000 Finally he looked N he saw the wall shining like blue crystal, 2547 02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:03,280 and his bastard brother John sleeping alone in a cold bed, 2548 02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:08,840 his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled 2549 02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:11,360 from him. And he looked past the wall, 2550 02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:16,800 past endless forests cloaked in snow, past the frozen shore and 2551 02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:21,080 the great blue white rivers of ice and the dead where nothing 2552 02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:26,600 grew or lived, north and north and N he looked to the curtain 2553 02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,240 of light at the end of the world. 2554 02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:33,240 And then, beyond that curtain, he looked into the heart of 2555 02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:37,880 winter. Then he cried out, afraid, and 2556 02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:41,000 the heat of his tears burned on his cheeks. 2557 02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:43,520 So that's death. The same thing Kragen says is 2558 02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:44,880 death is beyond there. He doesn't have a straight 2559 02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:48,520 answer to give to to Jason. He might not exactly know what 2560 02:01:48,520 --> 02:01:52,600 it is himself, but when Bran peers deep into that heart of 2561 02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:54,840 winter, it's basically death that he sees. 2562 02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:59,120 And that's when Three Eyed Crow says now you know why you have 2563 02:01:59,120 --> 02:02:02,920 to live and why you have to fly and do all these other things, 2564 02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:06,440 'cause that's coming. You know, I wonder if or when 2565 02:02:06,440 --> 02:02:11,360 Ranira will tell her kids about the song of Ice and Fire like. 2566 02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:13,800 Yeah, I definitely wanted to. Just got killed. 2567 02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:15,520 She needs to tell Jayce quick, right? 2568 02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:18,680 Yeah, or before she gets killed and no one knows it. 2569 02:02:18,680 --> 02:02:20,080 Yeah, exactly right. Like it's a bit. 2570 02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:24,400 Of a shared collective misremembrance about that going 2571 02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,840 on in the fandom and that I've been there too. 2572 02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:31,560 I'm not the only person who kind of felt like Raynira would have 2573 02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:35,640 or should have told Jace in that final ending scene when she tell 2574 02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:38,080 when she sends Jason Luke off. Before he goes. 2575 02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:42,680 Yeah, like I've seen multiple people say they thought she told 2576 02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:45,320 him there but they went back and re watched it and she does. 2577 02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:48,960 And it's just like a Baron stain bears type B, you know where 2578 02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,480 people are. Like I kind of felt like yeah 2579 02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:53,680 she should have told him there but she doesn't. 2580 02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:56,280 She just doesn't. If you think she did, we don't 2581 02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:58,480 see it. And that is part of why we 2582 02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:02,600 didn't expect, you know, some of the other expanding on that 2583 02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:05,280 story in the North, because he wouldn't know what to talk 2584 02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:07,040 about. He wouldn't know about like if 2585 02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:10,440 if Rainier had told him about the dream and then Craig and 2586 02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:12,440 tells him that stuff. He's like, oh, that sounds like 2587 02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:15,280 the stuff from the dream. But they just didn't want to do 2588 02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:16,360 that. It's too bad. 2589 02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:17,440 I don't think they didn't want to. 2590 02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:19,640 I think they realized they didn't have time for it or they 2591 02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:22,640 may have other reasons for it, but I doubt it just flew over 2592 02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:24,880 their heads as a possibility. It's just too it's pretty 2593 02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:27,920 straightforward, which is explains why so many people just 2594 02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,120 kind of remembered it happening when it didn't because it is 2595 02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:31,560 that straightforward. So I really doubt the 2596 02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:33,840 showrunners just didn't catch that. 2597 02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:36,360 I'm sure they have their reasons. 2598 02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:38,760 Perhaps we'll disagree with those reasons, but for now we 2599 02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:40,640 don't know what they are, so we'll have to leave it. 2600 02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:44,280 A lot of familiar phrases were used. 2601 02:03:44,280 --> 02:03:47,760 The phrase words or wind was used by Aymond phrase little and 2602 02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:50,800 less by Mazaria the phrase much and more. 2603 02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:55,320 I forget who said that one. Actually there's we'll have more 2604 02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:58,520 to say about Arya's connections to all the stuff there with 2605 02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:02,640 Blood and Cheese. In our Wednesday episode we also 2606 02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:06,480 have the phrase hoary old bitch used to be like what? 2607 02:04:06,480 --> 02:04:08,840 What's that about? Yes, Damon called Veigar a hoary 2608 02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:11,640 old bitch in the book. Jayce calls Veigar the hoary old 2609 02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:12,400 bitch. So there you go. 2610 02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:15,000 Pretty similar. Aegon. 2611 02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:19,520 The 2nd petitioner scene with the sheep had some vibes to 2612 02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:24,960 Danny's, a sheep bones scene where, you know, he had to kind 2613 02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:28,360 of, she had to kind of back down after what she was told and she, 2614 02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:31,480 she wanted to be nicer about it. And then was told, look, if you 2615 02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:35,240 just give back the sheep to every person, people are just 2616 02:04:35,240 --> 02:04:40,000 going to have sheep go missing because they know you're going 2617 02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:41,960 to repay them for sheep. Even if that didn't actually 2618 02:04:41,960 --> 02:04:42,920 happen. They're just going to make up 2619 02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:45,400 and get lost sheep. But then this person turns out 2620 02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:47,120 to have child bones. And that's where it's very 2621 02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:50,280 different than the Aegon scene. It doesn't go that dark, but 2622 02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:52,600 still, we're still dealing with Dragons here. 2623 02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:54,440 And that kind of thing could happen if they wanted to have a 2624 02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:55,560 scene like that. And how's the dragon? 2625 02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:58,960 They could where like, the Sunfire killed a child or Cyrax 2626 02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:02,400 killed a child or, like, you know, that could happen. 2627 02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:05,040 So, yeah, Mother, that's nice parallel there. 2628 02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:09,040 Both sides blame their allies for not killing more people when 2629 02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:10,760 they had the chance to stop the war from escalating. 2630 02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:13,000 Mostly Otto and Damon, Like I said, Otto's like, looks at 2631 02:05:13,120 --> 02:05:17,320 Allison's like, yeah, we lost the element of surprise to do 2632 02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:20,040 certain things ahead of time. And Damon blames everybody for 2633 02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:21,520 not killing people when they didn't. 2634 02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:23,800 He's like, you could have killed Aegon, You could have killed. 2635 02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:26,720 You could have killed Aegon. You could have killed Aegon. 2636 02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:28,120 You could have all these different. 2637 02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:29,160 Yeah. So. 2638 02:05:30,200 --> 02:05:35,760 And the most tiniest of weird observations I made in in terms 2639 02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:39,440 of parallels was the army size reduction parallel that 2640 02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:41,400 parallels season one of Game of Thrones. 2641 02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:46,800 In the book, what Rob splits his army and sends his horse to 2642 02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:51,000 fight at River Run and his foot to fight at the Battle of the 2643 02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,720 Green Fork. In the show, they change it so 2644 02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:57,120 it's just a diversionary army of 2000 men. 2645 02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:01,800 In the book, it's like 8000 men in Fire and Blood. 2646 02:06:02,040 --> 02:06:06,880 The number of Gray beards sent South by Craig and Stark is 8000 2647 02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:08,920 men. In the show, it's 2000 men. 2648 02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:11,720 It's the exact same, reduced by four times. 2649 02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:16,760 Cut that into, cut that by 75%. We don't want to have 8000 men. 2650 02:06:16,760 --> 02:06:19,680 We got smaller numbers. Please, let's do 2000. 2651 02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:21,480 So. You know, I wonder if that's 2652 02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:25,440 like an if they need to show it on screen, that's a number they 2653 02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:27,440 can show more easily. But they never showed it on 2654 02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:29,600 screen in Game of Thrones. They never showed that army at 2655 02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:31,320 all. So and it doesn't seem like 2656 02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:32,720 they're gonna show it here either. 2657 02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:35,120 Maybe down the line these guys will get into a battle. 2658 02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:37,400 But it's, I feel like we're done in the North, you know? 2659 02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:37,920 Yeah. Oh, yeah. 2660 02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:39,480 Yeah, I think so too. I think we'll see those 2661 02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:41,320 soldiers, those graveyards, but not in the North. 2662 02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:43,680 We'll see them when they, like, arrive, wherever it is they're 2663 02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:46,600 gonna arrive. Presumably the Riverlands first, 2664 02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:48,800 'cause that's on the way. Like has been pointed out, 2665 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,680 that's on when you're walking S from the north, you end up in 2666 02:06:52,680 --> 02:06:54,800 the Riverlands. There's not no other way to go 2667 02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:58,880 unless you take ship. OK, folks, that is basically it 2668 02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:01,040 for our first episode. We got lots more coverage this 2669 02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:03,040 season, obviously. We'll be coming back on 2670 02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:06,440 Wednesday with a more complete discussion of Blood and Cheese, 2671 02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:09,800 like I said. And we will be back on Saturday 2672 02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:12,680 with our first preview episode with a guest. 2673 02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:15,280 We've had a preview episode, but not with a guest, and it will be 2674 02:07:15,480 --> 02:07:17,920 Maister Merry, so we're pretty excited for that. 2675 02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:19,920 We'll talk about Episode 2 on Saturday at 3:00. 2676 02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:24,400 Wednesday at 7:00 Eastern is the Blood and Cheese and Rats and 2677 02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:30,000 Cats and Aria discussion. And we'll be back Monday with 2678 02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:34,120 another one of these with Sean and Happy Hot D Season 2. 2679 02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:37,600 Everybody. Thanks to Brand for our awesome 2680 02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:40,200 new intro. We love it and we're excited to 2681 02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:43,920 see it evolve just like the actual shows intro is going to 2682 02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:45,280 evolve. That's a really cool thing we 2683 02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:49,560 have to do in parallel there. Thanks as well to Michael 2684 02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:52,480 Clarkfeld. And thanks as well for the maps 2685 02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:55,280 behind me here and all the other great things he does. 2686 02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:59,160 Check out Clara docks.de. That's KLARADO x.de. 2687 02:07:59,160 --> 02:08:01,560 You can buy the map files from him, have them printed. 2688 02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:03,440 It's a great way to decorate your house. 2689 02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:06,800 But yeah, can't wait to talk more folks. 2690 02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:10,680 We're just getting started. Any final words Sean or Shaya? 2691 02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:14,960 I'll say I think we should have a segment next time where we 2692 02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:18,440 talk about what we thought about we liked it or didn't like 2693 02:08:18,440 --> 02:08:21,120 things in general. I don't feel that I get a, I 2694 02:08:21,120 --> 02:08:25,440 don't think I have a sense of whether Sean or you, Aziz found 2695 02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:28,520 it effective, good, anything. Just the episode as a whole, 2696 02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:30,800 yeah, we can finish with that. Yeah, let's finish with that. 2697 02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:35,400 OK, what people thought our tone, like for example, I think 2698 02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:39,000 that you really felt the lack of two episodes. 2699 02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,120 They didn't choose to make it 8 episodes. 2700 02:08:41,120 --> 02:08:44,880 That was a budgetary choice, but I think there were multiple 2701 02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:50,080 beats where I would have preferred to see them sit with 2702 02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:53,120 it for a moment or I would have liked to see how how people 2703 02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:55,760 reacted. And I think because of the time 2704 02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,200 constraint, I understand why they had to skip it. 2705 02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:02,520 But I felt that lack a bit. And that's my complaint. 2706 02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:05,320 I still give it a great score and loved it and found it 2707 02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:08,800 effective. But I I would mourn that briefly 2708 02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:10,720 with all of you. I think a lot of you feel that, 2709 02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:14,640 but I would like to say it was not Ryan Condall's choice. 2710 02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:16,680 Like he, he. Wanted HBO said yeah eight 2711 02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:18,520 episodes their call yeah you're right yeah. 2712 02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:20,400 We can't blame the show Earnest for that absolutely. 2713 02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:22,840 There's a lot of things you can you can put on them but not that 2714 02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:26,560 and I mean not that I you have to put things on them but you 2715 02:09:26,640 --> 02:09:29,520 shouldn't put that one 'cause it's not their call yeah so I I, 2716 02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:32,480 I take a Shaya's lead here. I I did really like the episode 2717 02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:34,160 but now that you're pointing to that I think you're right and 2718 02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:35,880 it's like we need to be wary of going forward. 2719 02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:38,920 We were already kind of conditioned to not expect some 2720 02:09:38,920 --> 02:09:42,720 things like us meaning here like we had already kind of come to 2721 02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:45,320 terms with the fact that there's not going to be the packed of 2722 02:09:45,320 --> 02:09:48,120 ice and fire Sarah snow and all that stuff seems very unlikely. 2723 02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:53,280 So we already knew some things were cut and I didn't fully 2724 02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:58,040 address that as a matter of the season being two episodes 2725 02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:59,600 shorter. And that might explain some 2726 02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:02,200 other things that we come come up on later and be like, oh, 2727 02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:03,680 that was a little shorter than we wanted to. 2728 02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:06,640 And it's almost certainly, again, we can pin it on this if 2729 02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:08,240 that's if that if that does happen. 2730 02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:10,200 But hopefully there's a lot of things that they're able to give 2731 02:10:10,200 --> 02:10:14,720 the full attention to and and we we find ourselves keep having 2732 02:10:14,720 --> 02:10:19,400 this feeling very minimally. I'll say generally, I thought 2733 02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:22,080 the episode was awesome. I thought that the writing and 2734 02:10:22,080 --> 02:10:25,800 the performances were great. I'm happy that they're not like 2735 02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:27,800 shoving too many Dragons in our face. 2736 02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:30,400 I appreciate the drama and the intrigue more so than the 2737 02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:35,400 action. And I don't think that's like I, 2738 02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:38,800 I wonder if on some level there's things you guys are 2739 02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:43,680 hoping for or expecting because it happened in the book that I'm 2740 02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:45,880 not, because I didn't necessarily feel like something 2741 02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:48,520 was missing here. When you do mention it, I can 2742 02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:56,240 see how maybe they could have given more time to Rainier AS or 2743 02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:58,320 just more. In the north for example. 2744 02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:00,880 For the body or right, more time in the North. 2745 02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:04,560 But I also feel like it could have been a little of a 2746 02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:08,160 distraction that I think that, you know, maybe they were forced 2747 02:11:08,160 --> 02:11:10,160 to do it in a way that was subpar. 2748 02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:12,280 But the way they did do it, I thought was outstanding. 2749 02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:14,760 Only given Rainier, that one line might have been their 2750 02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:17,720 solution to having to condense the time they have for her to 2751 02:11:17,720 --> 02:11:23,360 mourn. And maybe, you know, if they 2752 02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:26,680 spend too much time in North and we might expect that to be more 2753 02:11:26,680 --> 02:11:28,880 of a plot line. And, and maybe the fact that I'm 2754 02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:30,800 not expecting to be more of a plot line, maybe that's 2755 02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:32,840 negative. Maybe I should be expecting 2756 02:11:32,840 --> 02:11:35,360 that, I don't know. Anyway, overall, totally two 2757 02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:37,000 thumbs up. I loved it, I was happy with it. 2758 02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:38,520 I'm excited. Can't wait for the next episode. 2759 02:11:38,760 --> 02:11:40,680 Hell yeah. Well, thanks y'all. 2760 02:11:40,680 --> 02:11:42,960 Good call, Cher on throwing that in there at the end. 2761 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:44,320 Maybe we'll do that at the beginning next time. 2762 02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:46,200 That sounds like a better place for it. 2763 02:11:46,200 --> 02:11:48,880 But wherever it gets in, as long as we do it, it's good. 2764 02:11:49,240 --> 02:11:51,040 We'd like to hear from you all again on that as well. 2765 02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:52,800 On that, please tell us what you thought. 2766 02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:54,400 Whether you agree with the Shay or just have some other 2767 02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:56,160 completely different takes, we want to know. 2768 02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:58,880 I think it's good to do at the end sometimes because it takes 2769 02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:01,400 the whole length of us discussing it for me to really 2770 02:12:01,400 --> 02:12:03,600 get clarity on where I land. Good. 2771 02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:04,840 Point. Good point, Very good point. 2772 02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:08,200 Before, but I don't know, I, I, I feel that it it there's, 2773 02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:10,200 there's pros and cons. Yeah. 2774 02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:11,640 It's like we're making our case for it. 2775 02:12:11,640 --> 02:12:12,760 And then you're like, you know what? 2776 02:12:12,760 --> 02:12:14,160 Yeah, that was better than I remember. 2777 02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:16,000 You know, some of these things, now that we pieced it together, 2778 02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,520 I liked it more or I liked it less. 2779 02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:18,280 Yeah. OK. 2780 02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:19,600 All right. Maybe we should keep it at the 2781 02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:22,080 end. It's been less than 24 hours 2782 02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:24,080 since I saw the episode. Do you know what I mean? 2783 02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:26,320 So like, and I had somewhere in there I slept. 2784 02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:29,960 And I'm sure people in general, there's always like some 2785 02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:31,640 immediate hot takes that people have. 2786 02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:35,080 But I think in a couple days, sometimes you realize new things 2787 02:12:35,080 --> 02:12:36,520 or think of something a different way. 2788 02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:38,520 Yeah. And, you know, now that you 2789 02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:39,240 bring it up, a Shay, I've seen it. 2790 02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:41,440 Remember the last time we might have done a little like a 2791 02:12:42,120 --> 02:12:45,800 favorite part of the episode? We did favorite, we did favorite 2792 02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:48,320 actors, we did the favorite acting performances and that was 2793 02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:50,600 it. But it I've I decided it was fun 2794 02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:53,400 to do that, but I've decided now that we are more familiar with 2795 02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:56,480 the characters, there's fewer new characters and we just, we 2796 02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:58,120 were already doing more episodes per week. 2797 02:12:58,120 --> 02:12:59,360 It's like we have to cut something out. 2798 02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:01,200 We got, we got, we got so much to talk about. 2799 02:13:01,200 --> 02:13:02,640 But. I was going to say, and there's 2800 02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:04,680 plenty to talk about. We're a whole hunk of this show 2801 02:13:04,680 --> 02:13:06,040 we're setting aside. So yeah. 2802 02:13:06,360 --> 02:13:08,280 All right, folks, that's it for now. 2803 02:13:08,280 --> 02:13:11,480 Valar reread us, but also especially in show season. 2804 02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:14,120 Valar, rewatch us everybody, and we'll see you next time. 2805 02:14:36,100 --> 02:14:36,220 None.