1 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:39,510 None. A crown hits the floor at the 2 00:01:39,510 --> 00:01:44,470 start and another one hits the floor at the end, and a bunch of 3 00:01:44,470 --> 00:01:46,390 bodies at the floor along with it. 4 00:01:46,390 --> 00:01:49,070 And not all the bodies are people. 5 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:52,760 That's right. This war arguably started before 6 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,600 this episode, if not well before. 7 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,560 But this is the first time that the Dragons danced. 8 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,520 The red dragon and the gold, this one is called. 9 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,680 It's a bit of a play on the blacks and the greens that 10 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,240 represent their factions. You know, the greens are 11 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,759 represented by a green dragon. Veigar is the biggest one. 12 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:10,400 The blacks don't have a big black dragon, though. 13 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,880 So yeah, just. Yeah. 14 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,200 What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? 15 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,640 It just doesn't always line up this well. 16 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,480 This episode is interesting because for many reasons, But 17 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,400 before it aired, we thought it was called A Dance of Dragons. 18 00:02:21,640 --> 00:02:24,360 For some reason, that title was released and posted on IMDb. 19 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,120 We've been going the whole season expecting that whatever. 20 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,720 This is not the actual title, but it certainly does describe 21 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,640 it. Because the Dragons did dance 22 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:39,400 and it's a Dance of Dragons, not the Dance of Dragons 'cause 23 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,160 there's quite a bit of dancing left and as spectacular as 24 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,840 episode 4 of season 2 is, boy, they set the bar high for future 25 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,240 dragon dancing. It's already one of the most 26 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,960 production intensive dragon scenes of all time in any media, 27 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,800 right? So just let that sit with you as 28 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,360 you're considering the episode. It isn't just a feat. 29 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,280 Big moment of the story, a huge pivotal change the the moment 30 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,360 when the action starts, the Dragons finally get into war. 31 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,800 But it's also a pretty watermark moment in television. 32 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,440 Right? But sticking to the story for 33 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,360 now and continuing with my intro spiel, leadership is a big theme 34 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,280 today. The lack of direction in the 35 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,400 Black Council and the Riverlands is a major plot thread, while a 36 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,080 crisis of leadership impacts the Greens as well. 37 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,440 Amond and Cole have a plan, but their goals aren't perfectly 38 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:31,880 aligned. Not to mention their view of 39 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,240 King Aegon, which maybe is more in alignment. 40 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,280 They want to keep him out of it. Cole circumvents him, Eamon 41 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,000 embarrasses him, and his mother tells him directly that the best 42 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,880 thing he can do is nothing at all. 43 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,080 Which, of course kind of goads him into proving them. 44 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,880 Well, he proves them exactly right. 45 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Cole's plan was pretty clever, actually. 46 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,760 He's certainly one step ahead of Ranira, who thought her side 47 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,480 would have the element of surprise. 48 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,320 But neither of them really realized what they were 49 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,520 unleashing. They had an idea, a picture and 50 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,280 imagination and Cole in particular. 51 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,280 This is a man with plenty of experience in war, but only wars 52 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,280 of men. When he fell unconscious early 53 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,680 in the battle, he awoke into a new world. 54 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,120 His brutal treatment of the crown lands, houses, especially 55 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Duskendale that played out over weeks and it but it's quickly 56 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,959 overshadowed by one afternoon of dragon warfare. 57 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,279 It was far more destructive and devastating and chaotic and even 58 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,520 and it was too much for even him, an experienced warrior, a 59 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,200 brutal guy like this. It's it really says a lot. 60 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,560 So no one's plans are going according to plan the battle, 61 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,440 but we've got it all. The battle details, the 62 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,640 confusion, the chaos, the dream details, the horror, the 63 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,920 harrowing, the Dragons, the drinking, the blacks, the green, 64 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,960 the red and the gold. All that and more on this 65 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,160 episode of History of Westeros podcast. 66 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,480 Hello and welcome everybody. What a great time it is to be 67 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,960 discussing House of the Dragon. What an amazing episode that 68 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,240 was. Whether you loved it or maybe it 69 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,720 didn't quite uplift up to your expectations, it certainly was 70 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,040 spectacular and we're glad to be talking about it here with you 71 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,640 all. Our spoiler free breakdowns Yes, 72 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,680 this is a spoiler free breakdown as all of our Monday episodes 73 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,840 are 6:00 Eastern on Mondays and we do deep dives on many 74 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:15,000 Wednesdays. That's seven Saturdays at 3. 75 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,400 The Saturday episodes are full of spoilers, preview stuff, 76 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,000 stuff from the trailers, stuff from casting notes, stuff from 77 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,480 the books, but never leaks. And we do have game streams on 78 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,680 at 6:00 on Fridays over on twitch.tv. 79 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,640 History of Westeros. I've got my cool Dance of the 80 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,040 Dragons shirt designed by a Shaya. 81 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,160 You can't see the back, but you can see the Dragons on the front 82 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,840 and the back actually has tour dates like all which has all the 83 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:43,560 battles or where the Dance of the Dragons. 84 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,840 It's almost slightly spoilery actually, but. 85 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,440 But you can get them at our Threadless shop at the History 86 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,840 of westeros.com site. That's right. 87 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,720 Why wait? Get one now. 88 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,040 Like I said, episode title changed on us, or maybe that was 89 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,240 never really the title in the 1st place. 90 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:00,920 Not sure what happened there. Maybe we'll figure that out 91 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,000 later, but not very important. I want to start, as we often do 92 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,560 with our impressions and see what we thought. 93 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,920 Sean, you first, what did you think of the episode? 94 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,040 Hit us. I loved it. 95 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,480 This is it's I think last week I said that was my favorite 96 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,200 episode. Now this is my favorite episode. 97 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,400 A lot of times it's like a recency bias. 98 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,600 But The thing is that I, I, I know there's like this, even 99 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,480 talking to other people, a lot of people have this mentality 100 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,280 like, come on, get on with it. I want to see the Dragons fight. 101 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:34,040 You know, I, I get there's this slice of the population that 102 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,040 wants action and adventure and Dragons and all this kind of 103 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,520 stuff. And it's not like I don't want 104 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,280 that, but a a lot of times it actiony stuff is handled in ways 105 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:44,720 that made me kind of roll my eyes. 106 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,480 I don't buy it. Some of the physics are off or 107 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,760 whatever. And BI don't care about the 108 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,880 action at all if I don't care about the characters that 109 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,280 involved the implications of the action and so on. 110 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,160 And you get that from conversation, character 111 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,040 developed nuance. And this episode I both, I don't 112 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,960 feel like they sacrificed one for the other. 113 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,760 I feel like there was just as much of these sort of like 114 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,640 meaningful, tough, nuanced conversations between characters 115 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,920 as there are in other episodes. They didn't. 116 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,320 They still had that here. They had some other quasi 117 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,360 fantasy elements that weren't necessary action here with 118 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Damon's dream, the haunting of Heron Hall and stuff like that. 119 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,480 But also they had action and the most spectacular action that 120 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,520 maybe has ever been on TVI mean, I've said a couple times that I 121 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,320 they really make the Dragons feel real, and they were really 122 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,960 doing that here. And it may be my, my, my biggest 123 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,200 complaint that when I'm stretching for something to 124 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,480 complain about, it's maybe I'm thinking about the timing of how 125 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Veigar could have got on the other side of the castle and 126 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,680 come up just right. If, if, if Rainey's can't see 127 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,400 Veigar, how can Veigar see her coming? 128 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,880 Like how did the, the timing? Maybe his little luck. 129 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,360 But but again, I feel like I'm, I'm nitpicking one element of 130 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,880 this massive action scene. Overall, I was impressed and I 131 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,080 have take on almost every freaking scene and the whole 132 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,920 show. I can't wait to talk about it. 133 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,000 I thought it was so awesome. Awesome. 134 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,880 Yeah, well, I've got all the all the different takes to queue you 135 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,040 up and get your responses on, but let's hear what a shaya 136 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,040 thought. Yeah, I absolutely loved it as 137 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,280 well. It was my favorite episode of 138 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:24,160 the season so far, so far. I'm also like you, Sean, action 139 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,960 isn't what I'm in it for. But when it comes to action, 140 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,520 this was really meaningful action That and in, in the the 141 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,720 action moments, I felt that there were strong character 142 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,080 beats where they like with Aegon, like the fact that he was 143 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,960 involved in this fight in the 1st place was, was like just 144 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,560 weighted heavy with the sadness of the fact that he shouldn't 145 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:47,240 have been there. With Rainey's choosing to turn 146 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,000 back and kind of sacrifice or so I felt like the action had so 147 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,320 much weight to it. Yeah, I, I, I loved it in that 148 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,000 respect. And I'll say we watched the 149 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,920 episode early as we often do. And I was so excited that I 150 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,280 organized a whole watch party with 20 people this weekend 151 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,120 'cause I was like, this is, this is the episode for it. 152 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Like this is spectacular. I need to watch this with as 153 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:11,000 many people as I can. I feel the need to clarify I'm 154 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,080 not part of that Wii. I didn't see it early so I'm 155 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,360 still processing. Like 5 minutes ago I was still 156 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,960 like writing notes down. Yeah, to add to what you all 157 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,640 said, I don't have a whole lot of different things to say. 158 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,240 I've really loved it too. It was a fantastic episode. 159 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,600 I had high expectations and I was not disappointed. 160 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,520 I agree with you, Sean, about how they were. 161 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,960 Still had a lot of character work in there. 162 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,920 And I agree with you, Shay, how that character work came out 163 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,080 during the battle like you could. 164 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,480 Eamon's personality was there. Raines's personality was there. 165 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:43,320 Aegon's personality was there. All his all the chip on his 166 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,000 shoulder, all his feeling of worthlessness, all his, you 167 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,840 know, like trying to make himself prove that he's worthy 168 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,640 of being the king. And Glenn Hightower arguing with 169 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Cole on the ground. Cole, like realizing it's all 170 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,560 going wrong and his his great plan is, is falling apart for a 171 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:00,120 reason that's out of his control. 172 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,400 And what can he do about. Yeah, you just felt all that it 173 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,160 was and and I felt for the soldiers, like just those guys, 174 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,360 like have what are they doing? Like they, they it's like 175 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,360 helpless, like they're caught between a a Rook and a hard 176 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,560 place. Say hey, yeah, we'll discuss 177 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:16,800 like the episode itself. We'll discuss things in the 178 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,000 order they played out. So we'll start with Harrenhal 179 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,080 and then move our way on to the battle of Rick's rest itself. 180 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,200 Yeah. You know, it's funny. 181 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,480 We we always do our our voting for character for the best actor 182 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,120 of each episode. And when I was writing our poll, 183 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,440 which is always in our Facebook group, by the way, and I put the 184 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,800 poll up this time, I was thinking to myself, some of them 185 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,000 besides Emma Darcy has a chance to win this time. 186 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,440 This is the first time they weren't like the really 187 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,760 prominent person there. You know, they're always center 188 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,880 stage, but but little off to the side, still pretty prominent, 189 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,760 but not as prominent as usual. I was like, yeah, you're for 190 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,760 once, Emma's like, somewhat secondary while still being, you 191 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,040 know, a main character, of course. 192 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,760 I think if you had the name a main character this episode it 193 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,600 was Rainy's and so they're just screen time. 194 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,480 Might give a little bias to her as far as picking my favorite 195 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,680 but. Yeah, and that's that is how the 196 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:11,680 poll is going. It's still in progress right 197 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:15,400 now, but Rainy's is winning. I'll say slide aside to this, 198 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,280 but she has been growing as my favorite character overall. 199 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,560 Her and Ranira both this season especially, 'cause I feel like 200 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,560 they've been the ones really trying to find peace, trying to 201 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,880 avoid the, the tragedy that's coming. 202 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,040 And I, I, I, I liked her quite a bit the first season 2, but I 203 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,440 was like marred by when she blew up through the dragon pit. 204 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,560 I'm like, oh, she just killed a bunch of innocent people and 205 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:44,520 it's like the one bad thing she did, but that didn't even happen 206 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,880 in the books. I know now, right, right. 207 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,520 So it makes me a little easier to like dismiss that. 208 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,440 I don't know if it's fair for me to do that or not. 209 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,520 Trying to meshing cherry picking show parts and book parts for 210 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,360 but. She's an entirely different 211 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,280 character in the book, Sean. She has black hair. 212 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,640 Like, totally different. Yeah. 213 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,080 No actually no, she's mostly the same actually. 214 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,480 But anyway, well that's that's the topic for another time. 215 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,200 Stannis Baratheon says the Super chat says. 216 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,800 How has Ashaya's opinion of Damon as a literary character 217 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,080 changed from the World of Ice and Fire, Fire and Blood now hot 218 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,320 DI know before Fire and blood you didn't think much of him at 219 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,160 all. I forgot you had that opinion. 220 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,600 So I'm curious what you have to say here, Ashaya. 221 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,560 I do think he has a lot more depth than he's written with In 222 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:26,040 Fire and Blood. I think if you'd asked me this 223 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,800 at some point last season in season one, I would have said 224 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,760 I'd warmed up to him in some respects. 225 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:36,160 And I found I, I, I found some stuff to relate to him on and, 226 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,400 and all that. But by this point in the season, 227 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,160 frankly, it's gone the other way. 228 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,120 It's swung back in the other direction. 229 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,600 And then I find him less likeable than ever. 230 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,800 He's saying he's suggesting some pretty awful things to little 231 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,800 Oscar Tully. He's like clearly tempted by the 232 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,240 idea of abusing Rain era in that moment and in the beginning of 233 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,000 the season. And he holds himself back in 234 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,760 that moment and just leaves. But like you, you, the weight of 235 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,880 him having choked her in season one is there. 236 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,880 And I don't know personally, I had warmed and then cooled off 237 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,400 on him. To be fair, I think what they're 238 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,840 asking, maybe I'm wrong, is they thought that your opinion was 239 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,640 that he wasn't, he was kind of one-dimensional, like from Yeah, 240 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,800 he was whether you like him or dislike him, you have like, 241 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,320 yeah, that gives him more dimension dislike or like. 242 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,280 So yeah, sometimes. Sometimes you got to separate 243 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:29,200 the difference between do you like the character of this 244 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,080 character versus do you like the entertainment of this character, 245 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,320 right? Yeah, I think he's a good 246 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,360 character. I think he's an interesting 247 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,080 character and I like seeing what he's going to do, which is more 248 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,080 than I could say for Fire and Blood. 249 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,960 But you think he has a lot of moral? 250 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,200 Like he's obviously got moral issues, character flaws, 251 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,760 etcetera. I think Aymond has moral issues, 252 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,960 but I like Aymond a hell of a lot more than I like Damon, and 253 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,360 that's my bias there. I don't know what what to say 254 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,840 about that, but I just feel that. 255 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,680 I think I like Damon more than Aymond, but we have, well, let's 256 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,760 save that actually, 'cause we have a Damon Damon parallel 257 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,400 conversation coming up really shortly here. 258 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:04,720 This will give us an opportunity to talk about. 259 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:09,080 That I, I will say that I was thinking about comparing Aegon 260 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:15,120 to Damon and that because I think there's this, it's easy at 261 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,320 this moment to kind of feel bad for Aegon, But don't forget, 262 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:21,200 he's a rapist. He didn't give a crap about his 263 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,880 kids until he, after he became key. 264 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Like there's all kinds of things in this moment. 265 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,800 Oh, that's kind of sad. But I, I have a hard time 266 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,080 feeling pity for him. But but I bring this up because 267 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,360 I feel kind of that way about Damon too. 268 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,040 Like whatever struggles he might have, I don't think. 269 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,080 But The thing is that Aegon's mistake doesn't make it OK, but 270 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,920 it's a little easier, you know, if I have to compare and 271 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,520 contrast them, I'm it's easier for me to forgive a mistake that 272 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,000 Aegon has made as a teenager than Damon has made as an adult. 273 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Sure. Does that make sense? 274 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,200 Absolutely. So we started at Heron Hall. 275 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,040 It's funny that we started at Heron Hall, but it's really the 276 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,080 Red Keep 'cause it's a dream in Heron Hall of the Red Keep. 277 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,040 Matt Smith said this is the very first thing they filmed in 278 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,160 Season 2 because Millie Alcock had somewhere else to be. 279 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,320 You know, like, I, I can't be here, y'all, I got other stuff 280 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,240 to do, right? No, it's a scene we've been 281 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,040 seeing since the first trailers. Damon in night clothes entering 282 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,200 this empty throne room. Except we don't see the Millie 283 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,960 Alcock on the throne wearing a crown in the trailers. 284 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,760 Of course, this is a throwback. It's in a complete reversal of 285 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,280 the very, one of the very first scenes of the show, Damon's very 286 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,440 first scene, not, not Rainier's very first scene, but one of her 287 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,520 first scenes. It's it. 288 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,400 He comes, she comes into the throne room and he's sitting on 289 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,800 the throne. This time he comes into the 290 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,520 throne and it's her. And in both of those scenes, 291 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,760 they speak High Valyrian to each other and there's a little bit 292 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,440 of a talk and then they switch to common. 293 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:50,480 And here there's accusations and guilt even in the dream, Damon 294 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,440 is fighting back like he doesn't he's he's in both of his dreams 295 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,640 when he had last episode of this one. 296 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,640 He's not accepting what his subconscious seems to be telling 297 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,440 him. He's like, and it's similar. 298 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,160 It's more about what he did to this girl, like grooming her for 299 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,760 rule, but with his control and etcetera. 300 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,640 And you might have missed it at the time because it was episode 301 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,640 one. You know, we're not sure what's 302 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,360 happening yet, but, and this isn't, you know, grooming in the 303 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,480 sense that a, an old man is, is trying to get have sex with a 304 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,760 younger woman. He's this is about power like 305 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:25,960 that. Although there was, that too 306 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,840 there was. That too, but that's secondary 307 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,960 here. If it was just that, I don't 308 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,600 think he would care. I think he'd, like you, wouldn't 309 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,000 be interested in her like that. I think if she was older than 310 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,200 him and she had the power dynamic, he would be interested 311 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:37,040 her. You know what I mean? 312 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,800 It would be harder for him to manipulate her 'cause she 313 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,400 wouldn't be young, but still. Yeah, it's the the sexual intent 314 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,760 is very low on the list here. So there are, We've gotten some 315 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,400 translations. This is pretty sweet. 316 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,320 David Peterson put the translations of what was being 317 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,360 said there because it's not made clear what's being said. 318 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,760 And we have. It's been said that Targaryens 319 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,160 are closer to gods than to men. And he's walking closer. 320 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:00,360 He doesn't understand what she's saying. 321 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,240 In my eyes, you were a God. Damon Targaryen, the Prince of 322 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,800 the city, the Lord of Flea Bottom, still can't understand. 323 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,800 I was an innocent. You exploited me and abandoned 324 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,760 me. You sullied my name at court. 325 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,880 You empowered my rivals. You tried to make my ruin. 326 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,960 You put me on that throne, and you love me and you hate me for 327 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,240 it. You created me, Damon, yet you 328 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,280 are now set on destroying me. So yeah, like, that's pretty 329 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,400 straightforward once you hear those translations, right? 330 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,520 It's very much a building on what we had at the Harrenhal 331 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,200 scene last episode. So there's guilt. 332 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,160 There's a little bit of a parallel there too, to when 333 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,000 Amond is speaking to Aegon and Aegon doesn't fully understand. 334 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,800 He doesn't know what to say back. 335 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,680 He's kind of, you know, I think Damon understands High Valerian. 336 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,960 It's it's a different point being made, but it still is this 337 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,440 sort of parallel, someone's sort of being put in their place. 338 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,080 Yes, with High Valerian. Yes, and I totally agree that is 339 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:01,360 a very similar message here and High Valerian is just a big part 340 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,160 of this episode general the Speaking of it comes up a lot 341 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,160 and it's part of what part isn't even part of the character 342 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,600 building for the episode. You have them using Valyrian in 343 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,320 combat and that's even that is part of the character work 344 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,480 setting that all up. So it's it's even a little 345 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,800 smaller clue here or hint or another parallel. 346 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,120 In that first scene of season one, he he puts a necklace 347 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:23,280 around her, gives her Valyrian steel necklace and says now you 348 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,400 have a part of your now we both own a part of our heritage. 349 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,640 He's referring to dark sister in this scene. 350 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,880 He cuts her neck off with Dark Sister instead of putting a 351 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,680 necklace on it, and then the crown hits the ground and 352 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,920 clatters. That's where we have that 353 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,880 trailer scene that we've seen a bunch of times. 354 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,920 It's a bit of an inverse to him placing it on her head, which he 355 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,640 refers to when he's arguing with her before he leaves for 356 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,960 Harrenhal. But it's perhaps even more so of 357 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,040 a parallel of his brother dropping the crown right at the 358 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,200 foot of the throne as he's trying to mount it that last 359 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,800 time, which he picks back up for him and puts it on his head. 360 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,040 So there's just all this like duality is present here, both 361 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,560 sides of it, Damon being at his best and at his worst. 362 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,680 The, the, the bad stuff is more focused on, but the parallels 363 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,160 to, to when he's been a good guy sort of or behaving better in 364 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,080 these things. That's, that's there too. 365 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,240 It's, it's, it's, it's shadowed, but it's really well done, I 366 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,840 think. And and then it continues by 367 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,560 merging with reality. And, but hold off here. 368 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,960 Let's see what you have to say about this so far, Sean. 369 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,480 A couple thoughts. One is I remember when the 370 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,480 trailers were first released months ago and we were, you 371 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,320 know, trying to pick them apart and there were a couple images 372 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,840 that look like the throne room, but we couldn't quite make sense 373 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,880 of what was going on. And we kind of decided it must 374 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,880 be some sort of dream sequence a little more clear. 375 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,880 That is what was going on. Why it was hard for us to 376 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,440 decipher those trailers imagery. Also, I think this is the third 377 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,240 or fourth time damage beheaded someone in that that scene in 378 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,360 the in the beginning. I think it was also season one, 379 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:57,680 episode one when he like took the city watch just trial or 380 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,320 anything. Just rounded up whoever you 381 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,760 thought was a criminal. And he that scene ended with him 382 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,600 beheading someone that was accused of murder. 383 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,640 It's true. And then he beheaded the the 384 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,120 crab king along with his arm. He got the head and shoulder all 385 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,480 together. Veyman Valarian, Yeah. 386 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,760 Yeah, and Valarian, and so now it's a dream, but maybe he 387 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,200 dreams about it 'cause he does it so much. 388 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,400 And he's somewhat responsible, if not mostly responsible, for 389 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,320 the beheading of young Jaharis, too, 'cause he ordered a head. 390 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,360 He was like, give me the head. So that was his command. 391 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:31,200 Like, bring that head that got to decapitate him for that. 392 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Yeah. The dream starts to merge with 393 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,600 reality as he's waking up, which seems to be something they build 394 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,680 on here. The more more into the episode 395 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,600 we get, the harder it is to tell for him what's dream and what's 396 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,520 reality, and somewhat for us as well. 397 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:54,080 So he, he, Millie Alcock's head is says there's a Raven and he 398 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,640 kind of wakes up, there's blood on his hand and he's looking at 399 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,600 the blood. And of course that's a like one 400 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,120 of the more obvious symbols, literary symbolism of your hands 401 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:05,640 are bloody. That means you're guilty, right? 402 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,240 So of course it's only one hand, but still. 403 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,080 And it's interesting too, because his hand didn't get 404 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,160 bloody during the dream. He didn't do anything to touch, 405 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,440 but he cuts her head off very cleanly and smoothly and never 406 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,800 touches any blood. So it's very much about the 407 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,320 guilt, I think, the symbolism there. 408 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,720 But as he's looking at his hand, the blood fades. 409 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,440 It's so cool. He's like, where did that blood 410 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,120 go? It's just gone. 411 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:29,640 Also really interesting there, remember last episode he had 412 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,720 barred the door to his room shut with two swords? 413 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,000 Yeah, but this episode he's waking up to people in his room 414 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,440 talking about a Raven and pulled the curtain aside. 415 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,320 So like, was it a dream for those? 416 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,520 No, I think he's, I think he just has been there several 417 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,840 weeks now and it would be silly for him to still think they're 418 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,560 going to kill him else. Like if they were going to kill 419 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,640 him by now, they could have done it in 100 different ways and 420 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,920 they haven't. So I think he's just like, all 421 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,160 right, you know? I'll more relaxed and more out 422 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,320 of it. Surely he's eaten by now, you 423 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,040 know, right? He's like, now. 424 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,800 I'm still worried you're going to poison me, you know? 425 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,360 Yeah, he certainly isn't worried about being fed poison. 426 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,440 You just drink that Alice Rivers right away. 427 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,240 So as Simon leads him to the hall to speak with young Oscar 428 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,400 Tully, he sees a black goat, which is like, is that really 429 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,120 there? And Sarah has teased before the 430 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,600 season that there would be a haunted goat. 431 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,000 And I guess there it is. There's a haunted goat. 432 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,600 It makes me think. We're going to see it again. 433 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,680 Yeah, I think we might see it again. 434 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,280 You're right. By the way, one thought I had 435 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,320 when they first showed this is it's just another indication of 436 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,120 the sort of rundownness of Harrenhal. 437 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,600 This isn't like a really royal castle that's got its stuff 438 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,120 together, you know. But then later on they show 439 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,720 three dogs laying there. Have you guys seen this? 440 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:50,160 Of course, this, this it's a parallel to people who get Yeah, 441 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,280 we. Have. 442 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,680 A section on it in the document. Yeah, we've got, we've got. 443 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,200 OK, I didn't mean to jump ahead. Yeah, so in world you the black 444 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,760 goat is associated with cohor, though it's might be the meaning 445 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,560 here because that is the sigil to the the Brave Companions, 446 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,440 which would be connected to Vargo Ho if it's supposed to 447 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,680 represent future sigils at Harrenhal. 448 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,560 But black goats are an old piece of symbolism in literary, a 449 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,560 literary world which they they represent the unseen elements of 450 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,720 life, the need to confront one's fears or unresolved issues. 451 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,280 It's a bullseye for what Damon is dealing with. 452 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,840 So it doesn't have to be one thing, but it's definitely that 453 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,400 among probably other things too. So he meets a very nervous Oscar 454 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,400 Tully, grandson of Grover. It's a bit of a call back to 455 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,400 Hoster Tully, also infirm at the start of the War of the Five 456 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,680 Kings. But it's mostly a service level 457 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,360 similarity because not much else is similar here. 458 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,480 Edmure was an adult and he was allowed to give orders in 459 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,360 Hofstra's name, which this kid is not. 460 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,320 He's also too young to do it even if he did have permission, 461 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,880 which he doesn't. So Damon's rude to him. 462 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,800 But he's right that what's the point of you even coming here if 463 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,360 you have no authority to give any commands at all? 464 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:04,120 It was. It was kind of a waste of time 465 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,720 from his perspective. He wanted to meet Damon. 466 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,080 He's like, I want to meet the king or yeah, he's like, yeah, 467 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,440 he may have. That may have been all there is 468 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,440 to it, you know, He's like, oh, I just wanted to meet you, you 469 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,080 know, like you're the king. I'm just, I'm coming to hang 470 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,880 out, meet, you know, it seems like the thing to do, you know? 471 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,280 Yeah, he's a famous fighter and a dragon rider. 472 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,440 If I was a young teen boy, I would want to meet Damon 473 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,040 Targaryen. Yeah, yeah, I probably would 474 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:22,920 too. That's a good point. 475 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,640 I, I, I did think it was interesting how this played out 476 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,160 because I, you know what, you know, did Damon really think 477 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,320 he's like, well, you need to go, you know, murder your 478 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,880 grandfather so you can take charge? 479 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,880 Did Damon really think this kid was going to do that? 480 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,640 At the same. Time did this kid think that he 481 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,320 that Damon's gonna be like, oh, well, we'll just wait for him to 482 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,280 get better? Like, I don't think anyone was 483 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,240 thinking realistically about how this is going. 484 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,920 And, you know, maybe Damon had this hope because the fact is 485 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,680 Damon doesn't really quite have the authority to do what he's 486 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,080 doing right now. He's just doing it. 487 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,720 This kid maybe could have said, all right, fine, yeah, we'll do 488 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,880 it. Fly me back on your dragon, and 489 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,720 now the armies will follow you. I promise. 490 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,920 You know, like he maybe could have taken charge. 491 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,440 Whether you should have, I don't know. 492 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840 But I could see what Damon's hope was, you know? 493 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,280 Yeah. And of course, yeah, I agree 494 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,200 with you. He wasn't really being serious 495 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,720 with this suggestion. He's just like, OK, this is all 496 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,120 a waste. So I'm just he's just being 497 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,640 snarky because he immediately realized this whole thing has 498 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,000 been a waste of time. And that scene, I want to give 499 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 credit to the direction of framing that scene. 500 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,320 It was so perfect, the way Damon was just too close to him and 501 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,000 sat in the seat that he had been sitting in and the kids sword 502 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,080 was a little too big. He had to stumbled back into his 503 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,080 chair. It was like it was perfectly 504 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,120 portrayed. When Damon declares the 505 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,760 Riverlands are leaderless, like the fish without a head, he's 506 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,600 kind of right so and near. And this is reflected elsewhere 507 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,160 by other people's takes elsewhere in the story or 508 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,800 elsewhere in the in Westeros. Like Lord Massey says the 509 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,480 Riverlands are deeply are deeply entangled, like the end of a 510 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,200 lesseni orgy. And Eamon says Heron Hall is a 511 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,560 useful morass. And Lara says it is beyond his 512 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,560 faculties and jokes that it's more crippled than he is. 513 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,440 So. And Sir Simon, of course, is 514 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,440 like repair, you say, like, what are you going to do here? 515 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,280 Like, yeah, he's even, he's a little confused there. 516 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,560 So real quick side note, they made some changes to the Muppet 517 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,840 Tully family tree here. We guess that the main reason is 518 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,680 to avoid using the name Kermit Tully in the show, but we'll 519 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,480 talk about that separately. It's a a part of the book to 520 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,640 show changes thing that we'll do in one single episode after the 521 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,720 season. Aymond and Damon meaning the 522 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,640 dream here. He goes back to sleep, has 523 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,840 another dream similar to his first night where he sees feet 524 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,240 at the door and sound of marching. 525 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,720 That's kind of a rehash there and it's quite a lot of noise. 526 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,680 He again follows and sees a Valyrian figure in black with 527 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,680 long hair. And my first instinct was, is 528 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,000 that his brother Is that Viserys? 529 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,080 And then as it goes a little farther on, you're like, oh, 530 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,840 that looks like Eamon, the way he's stalking with his arms held 531 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320 wide outside of his body. And then when you get even 532 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,080 closer, there's you can see the strap of the eye patch, which is 533 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,440 like, OK, that's definitely Aymond. 534 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,320 But then he turns around and it's Damon wearing his clothes 535 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,960 and it's like, whoa, that's pretty cool. 536 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,320 It's kind of a horror movie trope to do that. 537 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,480 But it was done really well. Like, it's not a when I say 538 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,200 trope, I don't mean bad thing. There's a reason tropes are used 539 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,440 a lot. Because they work, you know? 540 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,080 Yeah, I, I thought it was, I didn't take note quite of the 541 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,800 eye patch one or the other, but I felt like the gate was aim and 542 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,280 I it, it seemed pretty clearly off the bat that to me, there 543 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,200 might have been a flash of a moment when I thought it might 544 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,680 be for serious or some other person. 545 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,360 But. But I bet they had Ewan, what's 546 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,400 the name? Ewan Mitchell. 547 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,480 And Mitchell, yeah, might have been the actor that was pacing 548 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,880 there, you know? The parallels to Damon and Emond 549 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520 are really powerful. Obviously Damon is being shown 550 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,080 that he might not like seeing how similar he is to his nephew, 551 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,880 how he's this is a younger him, he might not like that. 552 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,360 And Amon may not like being seen as an older or younger version 553 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,120 of Damon, but it's true. Like they're not identical. 554 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:43,560 There's obviously many differences. 555 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,760 I think Amon likes it, Damon doesn't. 556 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,840 Amon might like it. Yeah, 'cause one is being, he's 557 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,720 being compared to and established a guy who's already 558 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,080 a veteran and has risen high and is a dragon writer that's 559 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,040 actually proven himself. Whereas Damon's dealing with the 560 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,640 younger, more beautiful queen type beat, you know what I mean? 561 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,320 That's. True, and upstart, who has not. 562 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,720 He has a bigger dragon, sure, but what has he actually done? 563 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,480 You know what besides kill a smaller dragon? 564 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,320 After this episode, he's got a bigger claim to fame, but prior 565 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,560 to, you know, still hasn't. Perhaps still doesn't have 566 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,240 Damon's resume probably, but but gotten closer, that's for sure. 567 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,360 So yeah, like for example, if we look at their power dynamics of 568 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,040 the brother, Damon undermined Viserys as kind of like he's 569 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,560 undermining Ranira, but he never like went directly against him. 570 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,560 There's still I'd say there's more loyalty. 571 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,400 Like Damon would stand up for his brother. 572 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,440 If anyone tried to attack Viserys, Damon would jump in 573 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,920 front of them and fight them. I don't know if Amon would do 574 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,800 that for Egon. Like because Aegon was mean to 575 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,000 him he bullied him, Viserys didn't bully Damon. 576 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000 So like their their dynamic has been different since they were 577 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,080 children. That is, a similarity is that 578 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,680 they both feel like they should be king. 579 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,880 But that is. Amon maybe, Amon maybe has 580 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,200 earned it a little bit more. Like he's done what he's 581 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,160 supposed to do. He just happens to be the 582 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,440 younger brother. Damon has been petulant because 583 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,280 he's the younger brother, right? And so that that's it, I think 584 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,880 you're right. And we maybe even kind of saw 585 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,040 that here, that not only would Ayman not step in to protect 586 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,520 Aegon like Damon would have done for Thesaurus, Ayman might 587 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,720 purposefully put Aegon in harm's way and stand back and watch him 588 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,760 play out. Yeah. 589 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,160 And I don't think Damon would have done that particular thing, 590 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,760 which is not necessary defense of Damon, but more of like 591 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600 showing the ways that these two are different in some ways, even 592 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,680 though they do have a lot in common. 593 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,400 I'll talk about Alice River. She's super cool, very 594 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,000 interesting character. One of the characters we've been 595 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,440 most looking forward to because her story is so deeply personal. 596 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,400 Meaning it's it plays out on a one to one level, which is the 597 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,760 kind of thing the maesters and historians are not going to have 598 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,560 any idea about. And she's a bastard and a woman 599 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,920 and a possible practitioner of magic. 600 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,600 Also things they have no idea about. 601 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,840 So this is a character that is most going to be misrepresented 602 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,760 in the histories. That's the one that has amongst 603 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,160 the most potential to be made into something interesting into 604 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,800 drawn out and make, which is already quite interesting just 605 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,080 from the bits in the book. But this is there's so much room 606 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 to make her more and it's a great start to that. 607 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,920 We we joked about her accent having only heard, you know, 5 608 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,840 words from the one line. It's a lot Scott. 609 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,400 It's very Scottish. I mean, she is Scottish. 610 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,600 Still think there is a tone to her voice that she is doing some 611 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,880 muted thing that gives some words a quality that is not your 612 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,600 standard Scottish. There was a certain word she 613 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,240 said that sounded off to me and I'm I feel that I've seen other 614 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,840 people talk about it on on Twitter and whatnot so I'm 615 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,560 curious if anyone agrees. We'll get more clarification 616 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,800 later, probably, she might say. Scottish, to be clear, and I 617 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,200 knew it was Scottish at the time. 618 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,520 I'm saying that it just has a certain tone to it, like she is 619 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,960 slightly. It makes her seem like she's not 620 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,400 from around. No one has that accent in 621 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,040 Westeros. Either way, that's a unique 622 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,640 accent for Westeros. Yeah, 'cause the other Scottish 623 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,040 actors that we've had didn't sound like this. 624 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,040 They didn't sound like the accent was thicker, like Graham 625 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,320 Mctavish has a thicker Scottish accent that he allows to come 626 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,600 through and it fits. So it's a great scene. 627 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,320 Damon just doesn't know what to do with her. 628 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,200 He's a little back footed 'cause he's used to people just kind of 629 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,120 wilting under his authority and his reputation and she is kind 630 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,000 of above him in a way. She's like one step ahead of him 631 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,360 the whole way, if not three steps ahead and he just doesn't. 632 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,760 He's like, well, you're weird. I hate to say. 633 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,280 He's not sure what to say. It's awesome. 634 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,440 Like one of the, and that's one of the things that puts him off 635 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,720 is she's not treating him like royalty. 636 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,640 She's just treating him like some guy, like who's having 637 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,120 sleeping problems, Like he's, he treats her like just anyone 638 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,880 else. And that's to him, that's 639 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,960 unusual. Like no one treats me like a 640 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,480 normal person. What's going on here? 641 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680 Everyone's like scared of me. She's not scared of me. 642 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,520 Should I be scared of her? I don't know. 643 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,480 You know, it's like he's like all these thoughts, but he's 644 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,680 also just sleepy and confused and has been sleepy and confused 645 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,120 for a while now. So that's also she knows she's 646 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,440 got the edge on him. There is that he's a sleepy guy 647 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,600 that's like disoriented. So she can use that to her 648 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,080 advantage, and she does. Not just sleepy, by the way. 649 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Haunted, discombobulated, you know? 650 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,040 It's however, where she is of his state. 651 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,360 It seems like he's encountering her at these moments of 652 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,480 weakness, abnormality, whatever, you know? 653 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,040 Really good dialogue here. He says you are Alice Strong 654 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,360 Rivers, a bastard. Not so bad once you get to know 655 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,600 me. Which is meant as a joke, but 656 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120 it's also true. Like bastards get treated badly. 657 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,400 And when they get people assume that bastards are like, petty 658 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,320 and and jealous and ruled by their passions 'cause that's how 659 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,040 they were created. You know, it's, it's very silly, 660 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280 but that's how they believe, yeah. 661 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,720 I like all these trueborn people who aren't ruled by their. 662 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,440 Passions. No, he's, he's very, you know, 663 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,640 he's just ice cold and stoic all the time, right? 664 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680 Yeah. So she refer, she knows what's 665 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,600 going on so much. She's like, I've seen the look 666 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,200 of bad sleep before. It's such a common experience in 667 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,640 Harrenhal. Anyway, it's gonna be the first 668 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,520 thing she thinks of and she blames it on the curse of black. 669 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,800 Heron points out the cut down weirwood Groves and that's all 670 00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,640 that's all book cannon for the basically. 671 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,200 And she even says his bed is made from one of those trees 672 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,760 which is that's a big one. And you could see how that fits 673 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,520 into prior A Song of Ice and Fire lore with weirwood items 674 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,760 sometimes being associated with dreams. 675 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,560 Like Theon also had powerful dreams while sleeping in Ned and 676 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,400 Kat's bed, which isn't stated to be a weirwood bed but I wouldn't 677 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,080 be surprised if it is. It would explain a lot. 678 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,920 And Jamie has a weirwood dream when he puts his head on a on a 679 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,240 stump, you know? So these things happen, right? 680 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,320 Not to mention Bran at the center of all the weirwood stuff 681 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,600 being fed. Weirwood paste, possibly Jojen 682 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,000 paste, possibly that's the same thing of which there are echoes 683 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,680 here. She has weirwood leaves on her 684 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,120 apron. She speaks of dead spirits in 685 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,680 the weirwoods that were cut down. 686 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,960 Pretty consistent book with book cannon on there on that She 687 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,320 talks about, you know, the ghosts and and being inheritable 688 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,000 and the ghosts, you know, if we're looking at it from their 689 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,080 perspective, the ghosts might dislike Targaryens given Aegon 690 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,520 Valerian. But but if she calls herself a 691 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,320 barn owl, which is like, is that meant to just be silly or is she 692 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,200 like a skin changer? Is that what she's saying here? 693 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,840 Sometimes you can, when the truth is something really 694 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,480 fantastic. You could just tell people and 695 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,719 they don't believe you, you know so. 696 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,080 That was my first thought there and the behind the scenes 697 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,360 suggests she might be like way older than she says than she 698 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,040 looks, which it's already you're already supposed to not be able 699 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,239 to tell how old she is by looking. 700 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,040 That's that's like her. The way she's described in the 701 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,199 books. It's like that woman could be in 702 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:29,920 her 20s. That woman could be in her 50s. 703 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,639 I don't really know, but it's hinted at that she might be even 704 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,320 older than that. It's not she's not in her 20s 705 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,159 that that's definitely wrong. But but the point is she could 706 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:44,080 she could pass for that. Now book version doesn't know. 707 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,719 But here it suggested she might be even centuries old, which 708 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,239 would mean she lived somewhere else before. 709 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,480 Cause Haranol isn't is 130 years old. 710 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,280 It is not centuries plural old. Even if you count the 711 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,720 construction phase, it's 170 years old from the day it 712 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,320 started construction. So anyway. 713 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,240 But the red coloring of this concoction that she makes for 714 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:10,920 Damon's dreams, that's the same color it would be if it was 715 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,720 where it would pay. So they were very being very 716 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,480 intentional there. And she licks her fingers the 717 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,120 red off of there that gives me series of Euron vibes when Euron 718 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,400 is licking up that extra shade of the evening when his brother 719 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,800 spits it back out onto his face. And he's like, oh, we don't want 720 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,680 to waste that. It's like, yeah, really cool. 721 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,600 Yeah. And you're, you're right, Sean. 722 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,360 He's just like, OK, I guess I'll drink this. 723 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,080 You know, she, like, got so far ahead of him in their 724 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,360 conversation. He was back footed so much. 725 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,920 And clearly he's established some level of trust there, you 726 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,800 know, and he does want to sleep really badly. 727 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,560 He's like, yeah, I really do need sleep. 728 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,680 You know, I, I have a a few thoughts that are maybe like 729 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:55,960 approaching tinfoil territory, but you, you know, like half 730 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,640 joking but half wondering what happened to that old maester, 731 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,560 like here to the night he wasn't fitting in. 732 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,200 Like is she feeding him? Is she using his blood for this 733 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,440 pace? You know, but slightly more 734 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,280 serious thought is how aware or trusting or whatever is Simon 735 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,880 Strong of Alice Rivers. Do you think do? 736 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:23,360 You think Simon understands that Damon is having visions and not 737 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,080 sleeping well? Does he know that it's a 738 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,280 weirwood bed? Has Simon slept in that bed? 739 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,880 Did he have visions? I have those same questions. 740 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,080 Yeah. Could. 741 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,840 He know or could Alice have told him or trust what Alice tells 742 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,080 him if they have had some vision 'cause he seems so calm and 743 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,720 prepared. When Damon showed up, did he 744 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:44,920 know that was coming somehow? You know, maybe it's just a 745 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,160 prediction you can make. The Lords are at war. 746 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,120 We're in a key spot. Someone's coming here, you know? 747 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,000 Just like she susses out her his problems with Rainier. 748 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,920 You didn't send a Raven back, so there must be a quarrel going on 749 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,960 here. Yeah, kind of like that. 750 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,120 So some of it there's some explanation for her, but I can't 751 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,440 help but wonder, like she they're featuring her character. 752 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,480 She seems to have rain. She walks through the corridors, 753 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,320 she's up at night. It's not like she's, it's not 754 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,560 like Simon doesn't know who she is or doesn't think she should 755 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,520 belong. So. 756 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,480 She didn't eat with them. I think she is at least looked 757 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,720 at a second class. Or they just thought it would 758 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,480 raise questions with Damon. Like maybe when Damon's not 759 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,080 there she eats at table with them. 760 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:33,960 But to me that indicates that she is not warmly fondly loved 761 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,480 by the fellow Strong's. Exactly and kept close. 762 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,480 She might be accepted almost as a maester, but like she doesn't 763 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,920 have a chain, so it's not official and she might have done 764 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,560 some valuable work and have some healing properties and knowledge 765 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,280 da, da, da. But still, she's a bastard. 766 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,360 There's all kinds of reasons why they might limit her ability to 767 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,760 sit with the boys, you know, But but he, they, that doesn't mean 768 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,040 that they don't listen or trust or respect her. 769 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,760 And and so I wonder how much they know, what she knows, if 770 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,520 she seems to have this insight taken Damon, has she shared that 771 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,120 with them? Do they? 772 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,560 Anyway, we'll see how it plays out. 773 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,000 I'm very curious. Yeah, those are those are very 774 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,120 good questions. Yeah. 775 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,680 And we and not particularly questions that are given to us 776 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,360 in the book, answers that are given. 777 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,240 So I'm, I'm like, I don't mean that. 778 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,360 Like I wonder too. No, I really do wonder too. 779 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,160 There aren't answers from the books there. 780 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,200 So we we'll see what the show does super sat from Anthony de 781 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,480 Palma, who says fellow Westorian Diana Dunlap. 782 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,600 Hey Diana and I talked earlier about how Alice and Melisandre 783 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,520 use opposing gods to deliver visions. 784 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,520 Alice equals Jojen pace melodic valor. 785 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,840 Yeah that's that's really cool. That's been that fits into our 786 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,240 long standing theory of magical overlap, which is that different 787 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:48,720 forms of magic allow you or sources of magic allow you to 788 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,640 tap into the same powers. Whether it's the prophecy powers 789 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,760 that maybe you are referring to here that come from, yes, fire 790 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,320 from allure. They've gazed into the flames or 791 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,120 they have dragon dreams. If they're, if they have this 792 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,720 Targaryen blood, maybe that's fire in their blood already. 793 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,840 Yeah. And Alice, the complimentary or 794 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,400 perhaps opposing ice magic versus fire magic here is being 795 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,760 perhaps explored. I I love that concept. 796 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,000 Or blood magic. Alice is maybe feeding Damon 797 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,200 blood whereas Melisandre was drawing blood, leeching blood 798 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,560 away. That's cool. 799 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,600 That's a good interpreter. Yeah. 800 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,800 The leeches. That's a That's a good way to 801 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,400 think of it. Yeah. 802 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,200 Sandy Hartcorn says Helena had an owl in her drawings near a 803 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,440 drawing of Harrenhal. That. 804 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,680 Yeah, I did see people pointing to that on Twitter. 805 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,120 I saw maybe just like 30 minutes before this episode went live. 806 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,960 So I have not had a chance to think about that. 807 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,800 And I need to go look back at Helena's drawings again. 808 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,040 You need to refer to those just about every time ever. 809 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,240 That's to be a standard thing on my like list of things to do 810 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,920 after every episode. Look at Helena's drawings. 811 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,520 We can't look. At. 812 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,360 Helena Helena's the biggest spoiler of all. 813 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,760 She's a she's a walking spoiler. So. 814 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,000 So Damon drinks that beverage and then wakes up. 815 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,760 It's a neat cut. Where is this? 816 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,360 Does he really just wake up here? 817 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,840 Or is it just this how the show is showing us the next scene or. 818 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,680 Like it's unclear just how disoriented he is here. 819 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,320 Do you know some drooling in this shot? 820 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,960 Like the drool just drips out of his mouth. 821 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,920 He's literally just like sitting there drooling. 822 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,400 I did not know I have it on the. Screen right now you can just 823 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,520 see like a. Droplet. 824 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,400 Yeah, it's so embarrassing for him. 825 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,040 There is wow, that is one of the most embarrassing things he 826 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,880 could do. Like as a guy, like with his 827 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,480 reputation, with his he's like some badass word and he's just 828 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,560 drooling it like wow, I did not see that. 829 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,000 Yeah. So it's a pretty neat cut that 830 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,920 he's raises the drink, the Alice rivers his drink to his mouth 831 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,840 and then it cuts and he's lowering this drink and he's so 832 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,320 disoriented. So she says it will help with 833 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,040 his sleep, but I don't know what help means. 834 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,080 Like maybe it helps actually she says help with your dreams, 835 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,840 which it's certainly making. It seems like it gave him more 836 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,800 of them. I don't know if that's kind of 837 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,400 help he wanted. So more on that. 838 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,560 We'll have to just keep looking at that 'cause I don't know, 839 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,720 Like this clearly isn't all day. Long. 840 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,520 Well, it seems like we he was black out. 841 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,560 He wasn't dreaming, he was just passed out. 842 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,760 Like maybe he had some really intense visions during that. 843 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,600 But like, it's like when you you, if you're like on an acid 844 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,360 trip, you know, like maybe you had some like spectacular things 845 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,160 you experienced and then like they just fly out of your mind 846 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,800 and you're like, you basically could have blacked out for all 847 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,680 the good it did to you if you tripped too hard, right? 848 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,400 Yeah, now I'm going to be real honest with you all. 849 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,440 I have tried psychedelic drugs before. 850 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,360 Wow. But here's what I'm going to go 851 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,120 with that I've never seen anything on them. 852 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,760 I've never hallucinated anything on a psychedelic drug. 853 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,280 But I have hallucinated on lack of sleep, both audio and visual 854 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,240 hallucinations on lack of sleep. So I think this is very this is 855 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:48,560 the most realistic way to make it unclear if this is 856 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,880 supernatural or not. I mean, surely some of it is, 857 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,920 but where the real and the supernatural split, where they 858 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,160 come together is very unclear. Cause yeah, you would be, you'd 859 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,440 see things when you're sleep deprived. 860 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,080 You really do. That is a thing. 861 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,880 Again, I like how well this is merged here and he's sitting at 862 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,200 table, he's talking to the Blackwood guy. 863 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,000 He has to reintroduce himself and like I just told you his 864 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,400 name a second ago, he's like who are Oh yeah, nice to meet you. 865 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,320 He's like, you probably did that already too, man. 866 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,280 So. This is Willem Blackwood. 867 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,760 And The funny thing to me is that if y'all remember, in our 868 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,400 interview with Ryan Condall, we asked him about the names of the 869 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,880 Blackwoods and why they went with Willem and Jarrell. 870 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,440 And he said, oh, sometimes marketing other people name it 871 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,600 and we didn't name them. And he kind of played coy with 872 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,960 us about it. Well, Willem Blackwood is in 873 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,880 episode 4. And The funny thing is when he 874 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,680 he came to the interview and he said, I just came from sound 875 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,840 mixing episode 4. So like, he literally had just 876 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,800 been looking at Willem Blackwood. 877 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,440 And maybe they were still named by someone else. 878 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,840 Or maybe he was more referring to Jerrell being named Jerrell, 879 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,200 which is a really weird name in the world. 880 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,480 Willem makes sense. Jerrell is not common. 881 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,240 Yeah, that's the first time I've ever heard Jarrell at any 882 00:42:59,240 --> 00:42:59,920 setting. Yeah. 883 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,680 So maybe. It was more casting shade on 884 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,640 Jarrell and not Willem cause Willem is very much real. 885 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:10,480 Willem is real, yeah, and maybe he hadn't decided at that point. 886 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,160 They're like, yeah, we'll just use that name. 887 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,400 We maybe at that point he just said we, they, they got stuck 888 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,080 with using the name 'cause it had already been settled for 889 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,560 them. I don't know Anyway it. 890 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,360 Makes sense. Willem is the brother of Lord 891 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,680 Samwell, and so of course it makes a lot of sense that a 892 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,120 second son would be the one vying for Rainier's hand in that 893 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,400 case. Can I make a a quick aside here 894 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,240 by the way? Absolutely. 895 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,240 Usually I've been drinking my a Magic Mine green drink, but 896 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,840 today I tried to recreate the the red paste. 897 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,720 Very nice. The diamond drink. 898 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,160 I actually did this originally in in honor of Melee's The Red 899 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,200 Queen. Is the the red the the the 900 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,560 maester paste? Yeah, so another one of the big 901 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,760 moments happens here in terms of the dream stuff, which is Lena 902 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,960 appears as a in place of a serving girl. 903 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,120 It's not a blonde L, which is interesting. 904 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,680 It's not a it's adult Lena and not younger Lena, which it is 905 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,240 for Rainiera, but it's a different thing. 906 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,520 He didn't. It's not quite the same. 907 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,560 He wasn't like using her as a leverage for power so early on, 908 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,680 although she was pretty young, I. 909 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,520 Think it's older Lena that he failed more maybe? 910 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,520 You know what I mean? Maybe. 911 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,160 Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah. 912 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:19,840 Older. Yeah. 913 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,200 Older Lane. He failed more. 914 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,920 'Cause she had her, I don't know, dreams, ambitions or 915 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,800 whatever. She wanted to be back with her 916 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,760 home and her family, or at least do something more if they're 917 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,680 going to be in Pintos. But he was just holed up in the 918 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,720 library, didn't want to leave, didn't want to cooperate, did 919 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,080 wasn't being a good father to the kids, etcetera. 920 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,000 Yeah. But I'm sure I wonder how much 921 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,440 they thought went back and forth on which which one of them to 922 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,200 use there. Yeah. 923 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,080 Yeah. So like you said, there's the 924 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,040 hunting dogs there, which was really interesting. 925 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,880 I wondered about those too. And yeah, shout out Joe 926 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,360 Magician, who points out that maybe what we're being shown 927 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,880 here is the houses that are going to rule Heron Hall 928 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,320 afterwards. OK, so we've already had a few 929 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,200 houses rule Heron Hall at this point after how strong whose 930 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,360 banners we were already shown because there's no way to show 931 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,680 their sigil with animals. It's three forks of the Trident. 932 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,840 So after the strongs comes the Loftons we already referred to, 933 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,360 and we pointed out the bats that flew by and the Wentz are after 934 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,800 the Loftons and then also bats, right? 935 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,160 And then comes the War of 5 Kings, where first of all, Tywin 936 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,040 Lannister takes it and then he hands it off to Vargo, or rather 937 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,000 he hands it off to well, it gets lost to Roose Bolton because 938 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,840 Vargahote switched sides and Vargahote's the black coach. 939 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,880 So there's no, you know, there's no Leech Lord or flayed man that 940 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,280 we've seen yet. But that's another one that 941 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,400 might be kind of hard to represent. 942 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,640 They can maybe show a Leech but. It was never like controlled by 943 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,240 the. It was never like a Clegane 944 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,160 castle per SE, but but Gregor, like hell of the castle, right? 945 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,280 Yeah, there's Sigil's three dogs, so. 946 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,440 Right. Well, that's what I'm saying is 947 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,000 that so did Lewis Bolton and his sigil hasn't been seen yet. 948 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,520 So if we do see a bleach, that would be like the final. 949 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,560 And maybe there were leeches in Alice's concoction. 950 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,360 Maybe that's where some of that blood came from. 951 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,480 Either way, it's serious Fear and Loathing and Harrenhal 952 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,520 vibes, right? We've got drug hazes, waking 953 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:24,160 dreams, a lot of uncertainty, some very bad behavior, and it's 954 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,480 most definitely bat country. Yes. 955 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,840 So yeah, Willem, as I say, I said this is the same guy who 956 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,240 killed Gerald back in season one. 957 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,360 He refers to it. He refers to the duel of 958 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,040 fighting for. He's like, I liked Rainier back 959 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,520 then. She I thought she had spirit, 960 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,120 you know, like it's kind of a weird thing to say, but Willem 961 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,360 is Regent to Ben Jacot Blackwood, who's underage. 962 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,760 So, you know, that's bloody Ben Blackwood from the books. 963 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,280 Damon accuses him of putting their grudge with the Brackens 964 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,240 first. And he's right. 965 00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:59,160 Like they're like, he's like, he doesn't say you're right, but 966 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,960 he's like, well, if you help us take down the Brackens, I'll 967 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,080 join you. So yes, that's basically what 968 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,200 we're saying. So Damon's like, all right, 969 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,480 fine. You know, this is what it's 970 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,600 going to take. He says bring the Queen's 971 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,720 justice to Stonehedge and the blackouts will join you. 972 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,880 So I guess that's going to happen. 973 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,560 I mean, we've there's tons of scenes still of Damon outside of 974 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,760 Harrenhal that we haven't seen yet. 975 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,480 So there's there's 100% leaving Harrenhal this season and doing 976 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,040 stuff. So I guess he's going to not get 977 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,080 what he wants because what he wanted was to make them come to 978 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,360 him. And which maybe that's a bigger 979 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,200 sign of authority. It makes him more kingly. 980 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,640 I'm not really sure. But if he had started with the 981 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,080 plan that Aegon wanted to do, which which his counselors also 982 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,480 say, you know, don't we don't want you doing this, but we're 983 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,640 going to do it without, with soldiers and not Dragons, which 984 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,040 is to just go from castle to castle and say you join me or, 985 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,000 or else Damon's waiting, making them come to him. 986 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,480 And it's not working because there's no one leader to make 987 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,000 them like to, to get to make them all come. 988 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,560 So now he's going to have to go to them one by one potentially. 989 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,720 Or at least that might be. At least that seems to be where 990 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,240 it's headed. That's I think why he was 991 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:02,560 pushing so hard to get this Holy Lord, Yes, because otherwise it 992 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,720 takes so much more time for him. He can go to 1 castle with his 993 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,080 dragon, say, all right, give me all your banner men or I'm going 994 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,640 to burn you down So fine. So he gets 300 soldiers and he 995 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,560 goes to the next castle. And so after three weeks, he 996 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,520 might have 3000 soldiers, as many as cold. 997 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,160 But in the meantime, while he's out doing that, Cole might show 998 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,760 up at Heron Hall with 3000 soldiers. 999 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,320 Just take it like if he could just Fast forward the whole 1000 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,920 process. If the Lord, whoever's in charge 1001 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,360 of River Run, sends a Raven to all the bannermen and says 1002 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,720 everyone go follow Damon at Heron Hall, that's. 1003 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,320 Normally how everyone. 'S there all at once? 1004 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,080 Yeah, that's what Damon was expecting, but but you know, the 1005 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,560 the gears are jammed up here. Fish without a head. 1006 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,280 OK, so moving over to the black, moving over to Driftmark, 1007 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,400 floundering. There you go. 1008 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,160 Very good. Yes. 1009 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,600 Flopping around. OK, so Driftmark, let's talk 1010 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,080 about that. Rainey's approaches. 1011 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,920 Allen bringing up saving her husband's life and points out 1012 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,040 how handsome he is since your mother must have been beautiful. 1013 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,080 It's a little awkward and then kind of Corley's interrupts. 1014 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,200 But. It's more than awkward, it's 1015 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,120 really sad. Yeah, yeah, it's really. 1016 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,440 Moving. Actually, I just. 1017 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,360 I yeah. I mean, it's awkward for Alan, 1018 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,920 but like, for Rainey's, it's like what? 1019 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,720 A moment of her imagining what? The woman that Corley's cheated 1020 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,800 on? Yeah, I don't know. 1021 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,800 So is that what you interpreted from this Sean by when he says I 1022 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,960 know what she says, I know who he is, Is that what you did? 1023 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,400 You get that? OK. 1024 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,720 Frankly, if Sean hadn't guessed at this point, these are two 1025 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,520 bastards. I was going to just tell him 1026 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,160 because everyone in the world has guessed this at this point. 1027 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,720 I've seen like people's mothers be like, oh, that's like, yeah, 1028 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,480 like we're not pretending anymore. 1029 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,000 We they're bastards. Yeah, I hadn't guessed before 1030 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,760 this episode at all, but when in this scene it's like, oh, it 1031 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,960 also she even said I've been talking to your captain. 1032 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,560 She probably picked up. Even if the captains don't tell 1033 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,160 directly, she can tell what it is that they're not telling her. 1034 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,640 Does that make? Sense there's a topic they're 1035 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,440 uncomfortable with, Yeah, she susses that. 1036 00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,080 Out and so I'm almost Yeah, this is Alan and with forgotten the 1037 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,640 other character's name Adam, I'm assuming that they are both 1038 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,680 bastards of Corleys by different women. 1039 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,800 Maybe he's done this a bunch of times constantly off at sea for 1040 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,760 years at a time. It it makes sense. 1041 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,480 That's true, and I guess it makes sense that he would try to 1042 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,280 hide it too. And maybe these guys maybe would 1043 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,280 try to hide it. They don't want to I I can 1044 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,320 imagine the drama of their lives. 1045 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,800 You can probably make another series just about them and their 1046 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,520 adventures and everything. If their dad's not going to talk 1047 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,160 about it, then they shouldn't either. 1048 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,520 Like it's it's it's like that's kind of the message. 1049 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,040 Like, well, if he's not going to make it public, then we can't. 1050 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,720 What would he do to us if he doesn't want that? 1051 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:35,960 How? Like what could be the back 1052 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,240 this, the blowback to us could be severe. 1053 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:39,840 Yeah. Like she doesn't know. 1054 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,840 Like it's the very much the like picture, one of the most 1055 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:50,760 important bastard, you know, stepmother relationships we've 1056 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,000 seen, which is Jon Snow and Catelyn, which did not go very 1057 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,680 well. So we have an example of why 1058 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,080 these two might not want to Like, I don't want her to know, 1059 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,360 you know what, what would she do? 1060 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,680 Like they don't know if she's going to be a Catelyn or 1061 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,800 whatever and be like, no, send them away, you know, or 1062 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,520 something worse than Catelyn, which is like have them killed 1063 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,640 or something like that, Like a Cersei which who might do 1064 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,240 something like that, you know? She seemed to be all the way on 1065 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,480 the other side of the spectrum, though. 1066 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,000 She was accepted and supportive even. 1067 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,840 You know which is, which is refreshing. 1068 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,640 Yeah, that's nice. And there's another piece of 1069 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,120 this. It also explains why Corley's 1070 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,440 was so dismissive when Rainey's was pushing him to name an 1071 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,640 error. I was like, I don't want to be 1072 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:34,960 the girl. I don't want to be a little 1073 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,480 baby. I mean, it's got to be someone 1074 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,160 who knows how to sail. I've got a few people in mind 1075 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,440 already, my other sons that you don't know about. 1076 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,600 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 1077 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,880 That's right. Cool. 1078 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,560 Yes, that's that's that's where we're at with this. 1079 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,040 It's very interesting to see where that's going forward and 1080 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,720 who knows? Can I say how much? 1081 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,200 I just absolutely love the choice to have this scene with 1082 00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:00,080 Rainey's and to give Rainey's the the scene where she confirms 1083 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,840 that she knows and she kind of gives her approval to him and 1084 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,080 her, her blessing as it were, to raise him up and make him the 1085 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,040 the heir and the Lord and all that. 1086 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,000 I just, I, I had wondered whether Renice would react in 1087 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,960 anger or, or what. And so I'm just, if I just 1088 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,320 really, I had wanted Corley's to give her the option the same as 1089 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,640 I always wanted Ned Stark to tell Catelyn. 1090 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,640 I really think you should tell your partner in life something 1091 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,400 like this. And especially now again, at the 1092 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,080 moment to tell her, if I could see why he wouldn't have told 1093 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,440 her before, frankly, the moment to tell her I think would have 1094 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,840 been in that scene when that you brought up Sean, when she was 1095 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,000 like, who's going to take over? I think that's that's your 1096 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,760 opportunity. And I want to bring this back to 1097 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,960 like at the end. I have to wonder if that's part 1098 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,800 of the calculus she had in deciding to sacrifice herself. 1099 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,400 She knew that it would be easier for Coralie since him to have 1100 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,600 these errors. She wouldn't be humiliated as 1101 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,080 having him having I, you know, I in terms of if she's weighing 1102 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,000 like is this the time for me to do this? 1103 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,840 I feel like her knowing about Alan and Adam was a significant 1104 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,920 factor. And if you go back to that 1105 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,960 moment, he's like, we'll find a way through. 1106 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,280 He's like, he doesn't have an answer. 1107 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,560 He doesn't give her a straight answer. 1108 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,600 He just kind of puts it off and she's frustrated. 1109 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,400 She's like, what do you you didn't give me an answer. 1110 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,520 Like what is that? Yeah, I like literally pulled 1111 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,920 his hand away from hers to get away and avoid continuing that 1112 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,600 conversation. Which by the way, I noticed that 1113 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,280 in all the previous scenes, Allen's like when he wants to 1114 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,320 leave Coralie, he's like, I have duties to attend to. 1115 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,360 When Coralie wants to leave Reignes, he's like, I have 1116 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,120 matters to attend. No, he says. 1117 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:41,720 I have. No, he does. 1118 00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,160 He says I have duties to attend to and leaves. 1119 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,560 And then in this scene is what you're talking about, He says. 1120 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:46,760 Don't you have duties to attend to? 1121 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,960 And. He goes, so that's what he says. 1122 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,080 To Alan. Exactly. 1123 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,240 It's hilarious. They're always like duty calls, 1124 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,520 you know? What about your duty to your 1125 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,320 child? Yeah. 1126 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,080 Two other little notes on this by the way. 1127 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,560 One is, I think there was a, a parallel of sorts between this 1128 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,560 realization of infidelity, if you will, between Corliss and 1129 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,960 Rainey's and between Allison and Laurie's. 1130 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,080 And I think it was a very next set scene. 1131 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:22,040 We see Alice Allison getting the moon T and then later on 1132 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,240 Laurie's kind of pieces together what's going on. 1133 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,320 I think it's a similar sort of realization. 1134 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,160 And, and also similarly, both of them are like, all right, all 1135 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,120 right, let's just move forward. They're, they're, they're both 1136 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,320 kind of OK with this thing. The other thing is it, it sheds 1137 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:41,120 a new light on the scene when Adam saw sea smoke flying 1138 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,120 around. It sure does. 1139 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,640 I wonder if there's a new I, I because the very next scene 1140 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,200 after that, they showed. Oh, crap. 1141 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,840 I always forget Rayna, the younger daughter. 1142 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,560 I thought that, oh, she's going to get sea smoke now, but the 1143 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,120 fact that she's just leaving makes me think that's less 1144 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,440 likely. So what was that all about? 1145 00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,080 So now I wonder if it might be Adam. 1146 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,360 'S OK, yeah. So yeah, Carly's gets defensive 1147 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,120 about Rainey saying he should be raised up and she just switches 1148 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,880 the topic to the Black Council. And that is our segue to the 1149 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,240 Black Council. Alfred Broom is still making his 1150 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:15,360 accusations. He's still at the forefront of 1151 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,280 the We're scared about the Inaction faction. 1152 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,920 And you know, he's not entirely wrong, but we've been over this 1153 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,520 before. He basically says the same 1154 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,160 things Damon is saying about the Riverlands. 1155 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,560 He's like, we need a leader, we need leadership here. 1156 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,640 Like y'all need a leader, We need a leader, Rainey says. 1157 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,080 You know, I'm handling things, but broom's like, well, why are 1158 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,800 you so important? You know, it's like, well, 1159 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,800 you're not even a land holder, bro. 1160 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,480 You're not a dragon rider or a Lord. 1161 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,440 Are you? Who are you? 1162 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,680 I am Princess Rainey's Targaryen. 1163 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,000 He's like the lowest ranking guy there by far. 1164 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,760 Like, yeah, he's a real upstart. This is honestly really true to 1165 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,000 life. It's like, wow, the worst and 1166 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,880 most incompetent person you know is the loudest in the room. 1167 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:57,720 Surprise. He, the one thing he says that's 1168 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:00,160 right is that, well, it doesn't matter what tongue says it, if 1169 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,000 it's true, well, it doesn't mean what you're saying is true, but 1170 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,440 he is he seems to chafe under the rule of women. 1171 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,400 I think that's the pattern here because he denigrates Bayla. 1172 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,560 He laughs at Rainiera that one time, and he now he's coming 1173 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,360 after Rainey's. But when Corley's walks in the 1174 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,160 room, he's like, oh, I'm so oh. Oh sorry man, I better do what 1175 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:18,840 I'm told now. Yeah. 1176 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,000 So it's like, why is why is Corley so much more intimidating 1177 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,120 than Rainey's? Like they're both intimidating. 1178 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,440 They both have the ability to just like snap their fingers and 1179 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,640 have you executed or do it themselves. 1180 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,520 Like, yeah, so I don't that seems, that seems to be an 1181 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,800 undercurrent here. I I would take note of that. 1182 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,080 Frankly, like it almost is unbelievable to me, like the the 1183 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,400 the amount of disrespect that he has for a Princess of the realm 1184 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,240 and a dragon rider and a lady. And like beyond all of these 1185 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:49,680 things that she is that he is SER Alfred Broom. 1186 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,560 He is like the Castellin if he's at the show, but he he's not 1187 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,960 even a Lord. I think what we're seeing in 1188 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,760 part is that they are a more tolerant group like rain era. 1189 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,880 More value is is more willing to entertain people like yelling at 1190 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,280 her or because she wants to hear other opinions. 1191 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,280 It's part of her the way she conducts business. 1192 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,360 She wants to hear other opinions. 1193 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,880 She wants them to speak up, even if it means being a slight. 1194 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,960 She'd rather than be a little insulting than to not say the 1195 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,840 things that are important. Whereas the green counselor not 1196 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,560 like that. Like you, you watch what you say 1197 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,360 around Egon. Like as you can see, Otto like 1198 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,600 said things and he got kicked off for it. 1199 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,720 Like and Alfred says these things and does not get kicked 1200 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,920 out for it. And that leads to people making 1201 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,400 secret plans behind his back. You know, like it. 1202 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,600 Yeah, they undermine exactly. You're you're absolutely right. 1203 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,280 When they don't conduct their council business openly. 1204 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:45,080 It's it's conducted in secret. Yeah, So you're totally right. 1205 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,520 That's a great take there. So Rainier does eventually show 1206 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,840 up, right? And they harangue her for the 1207 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,080 risk and the absence. But it dies down quickly when 1208 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,520 she's like, look, y'all my bad, but I'm in it now. 1209 00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,240 War. We're going it's go time. 1210 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,880 So like, oh, OK, then, well, what are we doing? 1211 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,920 So instead of arguing about that, they're just like, let's 1212 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,280 argue about who to sender Brooks rest, which is that's the kind 1213 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,320 of argument maybe that they should be that they want to be 1214 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,560 having like, all right, let's let's argue about battle plans, 1215 00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,840 not about whether we can stop the war. 1216 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,160 Still, when you're the only one in the room who thinks that we 1217 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,760 can, you know, so they're all, they're finally on the same page 1218 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,960 about that at least. I will say it was a little 1219 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,960 prizing disappointing to me that even Jace was like, I don't know 1220 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,760 what. Where do you slightly petulant 1221 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,600 towards his mom? You know he like well. 1222 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,040 Think about what position she. Left him in. 1223 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,440 Right. Yeah, I understand his 1224 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,680 frustration. Yeah. 1225 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,760 Yeah, like she should. Have told him he's the heir to 1226 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,600 the throne. He can't know that you went to 1227 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,680 King's land and come on now I'm sorry but like if you can't tell 1228 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,120 your son and heir where you went you real I I just think she 1229 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,120 messed up by not communicating that. 100% cause what if she 1230 00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,800 didn't come back? They would still not and they 1231 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,040 wouldn't know where she was and they'd be like what happened 1232 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,240 Like they just she's just gone. They would never have learned. 1233 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,880 In a sense, it's very similar to Aegon taking matters into his 1234 00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,280 own hands and going to the battle on his own. 1235 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,760 It's just that Ranira suffered, didn't get caught. 1236 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,000 She didn't mean, of course it's a lot worse going into a battle 1237 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,200 that's obviously more dangerous, you know, but it's, it's a bit 1238 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,680 of a parallel. It's just she didn't suffer the 1239 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,120 consequence. The only consequences we're 1240 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,480 getting yelled at when she came back whereas Aegon it. 1241 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,680 Sounds worth noting in. Horrible shape, yeah. 1242 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,840 Not to take it away anything, any of the points you're making, 1243 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,720 but it is worth noting, you know, if you're going to draw a 1244 00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,400 parallel, that the primary contrast is he was excited to go 1245 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,200 kill people. She was trying to go save 1246 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,400 people. You know that too. 1247 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,560 Yeah. That's, well, I think Aegon's 1248 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,120 also is mostly trying to go prove himself. 1249 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,160 He was trying to go attack the help the army and attack the 1250 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,720 Queen's Dragons if they were there or whatever. 1251 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,400 Yeah, but still, you're not you're not wrong. 1252 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,920 I'd say killing wasn't his motivation. 1253 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,400 He was willing to kill to prove himself, which is to, to just, 1254 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,560 you know, to, to distinguish him from a Joffrey who just liked 1255 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,120 killing, you know? But we've already been through 1256 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,360 that. He's not like Joffrey that much 1257 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,880 anyway, so I appreciate that. Rainier, I was willing to go 1258 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,240 into battle, but her son and her council are right. 1259 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,920 It's not a good, not a good idea. 1260 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,160 Don't put her at risk like that. The same reason they don't want 1261 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,320 her sneaking into King's Landing is basically the same reason 1262 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,480 they don't want her flying into battle like you take her claim 1263 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,320 is too important. The same reason the Green 1264 01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,280 Council didn't want Aegon going. Exactly, and this is the same 1265 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,960 point I was making earlier. She takes that disagreement as 1266 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,880 advice, as counsel, whereas Aegon took it as, like, 1267 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,480 disobedience or a challenge, Right. 1268 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,680 He she sees the logic behind their argument. 1269 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,720 Aegon is just like, no, it's just they're just back footed. 1270 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,120 They're just sidelining me. You know, I'm as tough as 1271 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:32,680 anyone. Yeah. 1272 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,040 He just has the wrong, completely wrong approach about 1273 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,240 it. And it's also worth noting 1274 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:42,320 Ranira had the other correct option which is Rainey's like. 1275 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,440 And not that there weren't other correct options for Aegon, too, 1276 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,880 but I I can imagine that she felt it was important, since 1277 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,000 this is about her, to risk it herself. 1278 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,600 You know, like Ned Stark wants to be the one that swings the 1279 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,080 sword or whatever, but Rainey steps up and says I'm the one 1280 01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,600 that should be doing it. It's like, relatively speaking, 1281 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,000 I am more expendable than you. And my dragon is Beijing. 1282 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,120 She had, like, she had all the reasons ready to go. 1283 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,040 And like you said, Renero's like, OK, yeah, that's logical. 1284 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,560 I don't like it, but you're right, you know, it's that kind 1285 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:11,720 of thing. Whereas Aegon's like, I don't 1286 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:12,760 like it, so I'm not going to do it. 1287 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,720 It's the, you know, that's that's the difference between 1288 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,040 them, you know? So, yeah, Rainier is just not 1289 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,120 concerned about other people looking stronger, but she's not 1290 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,360 worried about people overshadowing her. 1291 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,120 She's been through that with Damon. 1292 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,840 She sees that that's a thing that he he deals with. 1293 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,240 And she's like, I'm not like that you. 1294 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,960 Know, you know, it's funny, 'cause Laurie, Laurie says that 1295 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,160 Cole's victories are like to incite Rainier's fury. 1296 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,920 Like, I don't, I don't know. Not really. 1297 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,480 Yeah, not really. You know, just. 1298 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,600 Confusion. She's confused. 1299 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,520 Yeah, it's it's certainly brings a reaction, but not not Fury. 1300 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,880 I'm not sure how much Lawyers really believes that. 1301 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,880 He just knows that we'll keep everyone on on board with this 1302 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,320 plan. Well, he only told that to 1303 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,480 Allison, but we'll let's, let's hold off on that thought. 1304 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,520 We're going to talk about that later anyway. 1305 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,880 So in the meantime, it works as a parallel that they both did 1306 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,040 something extremely dangerous without their counsel agreeing 1307 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,360 to it, right? They wouldn't and wouldn't have 1308 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,360 had it been discussed. Well, it was discussed in 1309 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,560 Aegon's case, and they said no. So there's this cool thing Shane 1310 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:12,880 noticed there. We noticed together. 1311 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,040 There's a pix Cole's marker up off the map, The battle map, 1312 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:21,400 It's a little chunk of coal. When I've noticed it, at first I 1313 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,080 was like, how do they know Cole has a Unicorn horn on his like 1314 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,880 horse? Like I thought it was a horn. 1315 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,840 And then as he's just like, no, look, there's a chunk of coal at 1316 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,160 the top. And I was like, oh, as soon as 1317 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,920 my eyes adjusted, I couldn't Unsee it. 1318 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,800 But yeah, they have a little coal marker for for coal. 1319 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,800 Very nice. Even though it's Cole, you know 1320 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,240 whatever this does have the little blocks of. 1321 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,880 Coal on a sigil The the 9 dots of of coal or whatever. 1322 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,880 Yeah, because he's been a very bad boy. 1323 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,680 I appreciate that Rainier basically said the line, she 1324 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,640 said. Okay, it's it's it's I win my 1325 01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,800 claim or I die. That's those are the options 1326 01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,840 left to me. Although she's not telling the 1327 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,760 council. The third reason, which he goes 1328 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,520 pulls Jace aside. I like how he comes to confront 1329 01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:05,560 her. He's like, I want to fight for 1330 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,400 every. He's been impatient before. 1331 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,720 This is consistent with him. He was he's impatient with Luke 1332 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,520 training. He was impatient with there's a 1333 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,800 couple other impatient things he did anyway. 1334 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,440 So this is in line with how he's been so far, which is, you know, 1335 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,320 typical just a younger man that's like ready to to go for 1336 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,840 it. And so she tells him. 1337 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,640 She pulls him aside and tells him A Song of Ice and Fire and 1338 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,040 says, actually, yeah, there is more than just my claim. 1339 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,200 I wouldn't do all this just for a claim, actually, son. 1340 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,120 And I hope you share these values. 1341 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,280 She says it's something she should have told him before. 1342 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,400 And I bet a lot of the audience were like, yeah. 1343 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,000 And we're like, yes, you shouldn't. 1344 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,840 Yeah, they were like, yeah, you should have. 1345 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,120 So she says the horrors I've just unleashed cannot be for a 1346 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,520 throne alone. Like, OK, yeah, Fairpoint. 1347 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,640 Good call, I guess. And we don't actually see how 1348 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,920 Jase reacts to this, which is interesting. 1349 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,600 I'm sure we will, though. But it's also talked about. 1350 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,880 It's spoken over the start of the battle like he's. 1351 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,600 She's describing the Song of Ice and Fire as the Dance of the 1352 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:14,400 Dragons begins, as if this line of Dragons must stay together to 1353 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,040 fight the war to come. Yet here it's being spoken right 1354 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,960 as they're splitting apart, right as it's the point of no 1355 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,440 return. And it's super cool. 1356 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:29,000 He he asked the questions and she, you know, goes on the spiel 1357 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,080 and we're seeing people get shot down by arrows and trees falling 1358 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,480 and the yells of battle. And it's mostly just arrows 1359 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:35,880 because the Dragons haven't arrived yet. 1360 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,440 Now, before we go to the battle, we've got a before we go to our 1361 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,400 little break here as well, take a look at the skull behind him. 1362 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:47,240 There's a big skull back behind Rainier and Jace that's framing 1363 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,600 their conversation, and I think we've got a couple shots of it 1364 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:55,200 here and it we were wondering what skull that is. 1365 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,560 Maybe our best guess is Miraxi's. 1366 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,760 Maybe Miraxi's is. It was sent back after she was 1367 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,800 shot down over Dorne. If you look at the eye, it looks 1368 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,040 like there's a big bigger hole than there would be if it was 1369 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,600 just an eye socket and she was shot in the eye. 1370 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:11,760 Good call. Yeah. 1371 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,840 We were talking about what that might be right before this 1372 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,160 episode. We had not come up with an 1373 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:16,960 answer, but I think I should have figured it out while we 1374 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,560 were sitting here because the, the the broken eye, I think is 1375 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,360 the tell tale sign there could call because that's where the 1376 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,400 bolt hit her, right in the eyeball. 1377 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,000 Indeed. Folks, we are doing episode 1378 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,320 eight of our prediction series, meaning the Saturday episodes. 1379 01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,040 It it actually won't be a prediction series more than it 1380 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,640 will be a recap of the season, but it's going to be live at 1381 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,640 City Winery in New York City on August 3rd. 1382 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:47,520 If you want to check out the event page, go to bit dot LY 1383 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:54,720 slash HOW live NYC. That's how live NYC bit dot LY 1384 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,560 slash how live NYC. The link is in the description 1385 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,680 or in the in the video description or the podcast 1386 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,960 description, whichever one you happen to be partaking of. 1387 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,360 Right now. We're going to have a costume 1388 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,040 contest, we're going to have bottles of wine with the History 1389 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,880 of Westeros logo on it. We're going to have a great 1390 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,200 time. So if you are in New York City 1391 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,160 or in the area or going to be in the area on August 3rd around 1392 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,200 then get your ticket, Come see us, get your wine bottle signed, 1393 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,280 or just come say hello and hang out with us while we recap House 1394 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,440 of the Dragon Season 8 and prepare ourselves for the 1395 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,600 finale, which will be the. Season eight. 1396 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:31,920 Wow. Season eight, Oh my gosh. 1397 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,400 We're thinking way ahead here. Sorry. 1398 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:34,920 Episode 8, we're thinking way ahead. 1399 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,960 Yes. By the way, folks, yes, House of 1400 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,800 the Dragon is now going to have eight seasons, as per me just 1401 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,080 now. Yeah. 30 episodes per season. 1402 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,640 OK, let's keep it moving. I hope to see you all in New 1403 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,160 York City. But we got a lot more to talk 1404 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,600 about, Anthony De Palma says. I like the idea that Damon and 1405 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,960 Otto both tried to grooming children to inherit the throne 1406 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,480 with the belief that they'd be easy to manipulate. 1407 01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,120 Yeah. And neither of them were. 1408 01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:01,760 That's always the flaw with that problem when you're doing, 1409 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,440 You're trying to manipulate a child before you know what kind 1410 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,920 of person they're going to be as an adult. 1411 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,000 Like, yeah, get them early. I see the logic behind that. 1412 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:08,960 It's. It's evil. 1413 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,000 It's corrupt. But, you know, you also teach 1414 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,920 kids good values as a kid, you know, when they're young with 1415 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,520 the hope that sticks more. So you see the again, that's why 1416 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,240 that logic exists in the 1st place. 1417 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,320 They're more impressionable. Of course, you teach them when 1418 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,600 they're young. And yeah, So yes, it definitely 1419 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,440 happened on both sides. Otto and his own daughter. 1420 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,360 Damon and his own niece manipulated in different ways, 1421 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,600 but for basically the same purpose. 1422 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,920 Yeah, I mean Otto and and and Aegon too, beyond that. 1423 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,960 Yeah, you're right. Aegon is the monarch that's 1424 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:40,680 being rule. Yeah. 1425 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,960 You know, it's really a various Young Griff type beat there with 1426 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,200 trying to like have your figurehead type type king. 1427 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,680 True, very true. Yeah, but the puppet has ideas 1428 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,680 of its own. So let's talk about the Green 1429 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,040 Council, the other side of things. 1430 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,600 Aegon continues to be very reactive of a terrible quality 1431 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,920 and any leader. Eamon calmly explains the logic 1432 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,480 behind their strategic choices. And it sounds like he's making 1433 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,160 sense. But Aegon just wants like, take 1434 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,800 Harrenhal. No, take, tell him to go to 1435 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,320 Harrenhal. I want that back. 1436 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,040 It's it's kind of comedic. And it's also a little, it's a 1437 01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,080 little pathetic, a little comedic. 1438 01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,160 At the same time, he yells at Larry's, he's like, it's your 1439 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,520 castle. You know, he's like, well, 1440 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,720 Larry's response is that clip about it being crippled, which 1441 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,920 is more of an attempt at Fleck than to be genuinely funny, by 1442 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,920 the way, as predicted. And having lorries at council is 1443 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,560 there is a thing now and it makes it interesting. 1444 01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,960 Which by the way, I forgot to mention Mazzaria was overseeing 1445 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,359 the Black Council from above in the same in a similar way to how 1446 01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:46,880 lorries would look down. But she's so far not sitting at 1447 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,200 the Black Council, which I was wondering about South one yes, 1448 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,000 the other no, but it's still early. 1449 01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:56,600 So, yeah, So that that was more of Aegon just acting out at 1450 01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,680 council. And then they have their moment 1451 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,760 there with where he's haranguing different people. 1452 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,600 And it this episode, of course, is very intense and tragic. 1453 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,840 But just like a lot of episodes, just like a lot of episodes this 1454 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,880 season and like them in general, they had their moments of Comic 1455 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,600 Relief. Alice had several funny lines, 1456 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,520 you know, Did you, did you, have you experienced anything of 1457 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,880 note? You know, that's so good. 1458 01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:22,920 And the drinkings guard bumping into each other when they're 1459 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,720 leaving the room with Alice and Aegon or Aegon doing the like, 1460 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,479 you guys are boring, you know, And he makes the face right, 1461 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,000 which by the way, is another Michael Scott moment when he 1462 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,200 does the you guys are boring. Twice now he's been he's acted 1463 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,000 like Michael Scott. And Ashaya pointed out that he 1464 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,720 even gets burned like Michael Scott. 1465 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,760 You know, Rook Rest, Foreman Grill. 1466 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,399 If you're trying to channel a bad leader, it's Michael Scott's 1467 01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:52,359 a great choice. This face made me laugh so hard 1468 01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,640 it was the funniest. Like one like less than a second 1469 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,480 millisecond thing. I can't I I, I still laugh 1470 01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:01,080 thinking about it and he just leaves. 1471 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,640 I can't not see it as Michael Scott now. 1472 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,240 He he has done faces like that, hasn't he? 1473 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,680 Like once you hear it, you're like, yeah, he does do that. 1474 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,800 Totally, totally. Yeah, We need to get a side by 1475 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,120 side. I'm sure there's a bunch of 1476 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,720 people looking like that. I'll find just I'll find a pic 1477 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,600 of Michael Scott looking like that and do it. 1478 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,480 It'll be in our breakdown video that when I do the fun edits and 1479 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,640 stuff, I was already planning on grabbing it. 1480 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,400 It's also true that that many people at the office do make 1481 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,960 plans around Michael Scott without his knowledge, which of 1482 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,280 course is a big part here. Aegon. 1483 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,680 But did that actually comes out during the council? 1484 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,560 That Aegon has been left out of the command process and the 1485 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,360 Green Council has two. But the council being left out 1486 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,440 is one thing since the Hand of the King outranks them and 1487 01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:48,000 they're kind of afraid of Eamon. And you know, it's, it's not 1488 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,120 Eamon's fault that Cole sent the message just to him, but Aegon, 1489 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,600 he's the king and gets mad and embarrassed. 1490 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,640 I think it's more embarrassed by Eamon speaking. 1491 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,440 High Valerian. What a cringe scene this was. 1492 01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:05,040 It was so good. But also just oh man, what an 1493 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,000 embarrassing moment. And the comedic slow turn of the 1494 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,800 Green Council's heads, like turning to look at Aegon, like 1495 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,960 oh man, it was painful and cringe and funny all together. 1496 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,040 And it was just, you know, turnabouts. 1497 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,400 Fair play, right? I mean, Aegon utterly humiliated 1498 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,440 Amon in front of all of all of them. 1499 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:24,840 And so, yeah. Damn sure did. 1500 01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,200 That was absolutely payback. The question is whether the rest 1501 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,760 of the episode is also payback. I think so, but on but it's a 1502 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,280 little it's not so simple as that. 1503 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,960 I. Want to say also, I think this 1504 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,600 was this is layered because in a way, Amond is kind of protecting 1505 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,680 Aegon from greater embarrassment. 1506 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,560 Like he's making sure that he gets his plan to go through 1507 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,440 right, that that one thing is, is what's happening here. 1508 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:52,040 And he does it by basically embarrassing Aegon into 1509 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,080 realizing you don't know what's going on. 1510 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:55,320 You haven't been paying attention. 1511 01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,800 I'm better than you. But he does it in another 1512 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,120 language so everyone can't exactly hear it. 1513 01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:03,920 And when Aegon finally responds, it's like broken. 1514 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,800 It's like a incoherent sentence, right? 1515 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,400 He doesn't, he just doesn't know the language as well as Amon. 1516 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,560 They're just like everything else. 1517 01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,280 He just, he, they both had the same opportunities growing up. 1518 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,440 Amon just took advantage of him and Aegon didn't, right? 1519 01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:19,560 And so now here we are. Amon just qualified and Aegon is 1520 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,560 not. And so because they're talking 1521 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:29,000 another language and Amon puts it back on to Aegon, and Aegon 1522 01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:33,280 says something and Amon's responses, he's like, OK, He 1523 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,800 like, agrees with them. And then back in a common tongue 1524 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,680 says, OK, so we're going forward with my plan now. 1525 01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:42,560 It's like it without quite the embarrassment, what was actually 1526 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,480 said there. He kind of makes everyone, 1527 01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:48,920 including Aegon, realize that his plan is what they're doing. 1528 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,680 You know it was masterfully done by Amon. 1529 01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,520 Yeah, you're right. I think that's a great take. 1530 01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,240 No notes on on that interpretation of the scene. 1531 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:04,280 They yeah, he's doing all those things and and he saved him a 1532 01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,880 little bit of face even though it's still embarrassing and and 1533 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,080 he's breathing heavily at the end. 1534 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,280 Aegon, he's has no response, but he's just like see his body 1535 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,160 language. He's just and there's a lot of 1536 01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,160 that this episode of people breathing heavily because 1537 01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,920 they're frustrated or in battle or whatever. 1538 01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,440 It's interesting recurring thing in this episode. 1539 01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:22,480 They may not have even planned it, but it comes up a lot. 1540 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,840 So so yeah. So they have to plan around 1541 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,920 their own bad leadership here. And that's exactly what Cole and 1542 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,920 Eamon did. And though, as we'll see, even 1543 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,920 Eamon and Cole didn't quite tell each other everything, although 1544 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,280 they made it's more Eamon than Cole. 1545 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,600 I think Cole did tell Eamon to everything, but Eamon maybe left 1546 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,000 a few things. But I think mostly what Eamon 1547 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,680 did was just react situation. I think the plan originally was 1548 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,880 as it was and Eamon didn't have any variation plan, but they 1549 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:49,040 adapted to the arrival of Aegon separately in very different 1550 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,840 ways. But we're not quite there yet. 1551 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,000 Let's talk about Allison had three conversations of note. 1552 01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,520 She wasn't at the council session, which is one of the 1553 01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:57,960 part of one of the conversations. 1554 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,080 So Orwell is the first conversation. 1555 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,480 She drops the stone dragon when Orwell first comes in and that's 1556 01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:06,200 important. Like this is symbolic. 1557 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,440 She she shows she's on edge, lost on thought. 1558 01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:12,080 It's a very simple thing to make her just start and drop the 1559 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,040 dragon and knock on the door. Shouldn't be that startling 1560 01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,840 really normally, but she's clearly lots on her mind. 1561 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,880 This is that same dragon, presumably that she had repaired 1562 01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,600 for Viserys back in season one, which I believe there was 1563 01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,360 episode 2. And now it's broken again. 1564 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,480 Symbolism is even darker because in that scene he like he she 1565 01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:31,120 kind of made it whole for him and it made him whole and it was 1566 01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,200 kind of like, well, maybe this isn't great for you, but it's 1567 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,760 it's still kind of nice. It's wholesome, even if it's 1568 01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:41,720 going to not end well. And this though, it's like, 1569 01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,120 well, the broken Dragons are like, well, we're about to see 1570 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,040 all that. Like the House of the Dragon is 1571 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,400 truly split now. I don't know if it can be 1572 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,400 repaired this time. Yeah, it's foreshadowing for 1573 01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,000 Dragons falling and breaking at the end of this episode. 1574 01:14:54,880 --> 01:15:00,040 Also, I think it might be the last piece of Asaurus's valerian 1575 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,600 setup. Remember, that's where that 1576 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,560 dragon was part of, and Aegon smashed it all, but she still 1577 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,720 had that one dragon. But now that's gone, too. 1578 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:11,160 Yeah, that's a good point. So his shadow, Viserys, that is 1579 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,920 his looms over all this, which plays deeply into the bad 1580 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,640 leadership theme that's here. Like a lot of that is started 1581 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,160 with him and then you can argue started beforehand even. 1582 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,640 He wasn't raised to be a ruler either, you know? 1583 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:29,040 So bat garbage in, garbage out. You know, bad leaders choose bad 1584 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:33,800 counselors bad, and then the next set of leaders following 1585 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,040 those footsteps. So she gets that moon T from 1586 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,440 Orwell. I think a lot of people probably 1587 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:40,320 laughed at this moment because the way they talk about they 1588 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,040 both know, like he knows and she knows he knows, but they have to 1589 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,040 be politic about a diplomatic he's She's setting up plausible 1590 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,720 deniability. I doubt she thinks Orwell is 1591 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,960 fooled, but she has plausible deniability. 1592 01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,400 I will observe the girl carefully. 1593 01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,000 You know, she says. It's great. 1594 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,760 I think that conversation between her and Orwell is very 1595 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,120 similar to the conversation Horror and Laris later where 1596 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,480 they both, it's almost like this check that like we're good, 1597 01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:07,760 right? You know how what we're going to 1598 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,880 say in public, we know how to be tactful. 1599 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,040 We are going to guard each other's secrets. 1600 01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:12,560 Right? Yes. 1601 01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,000 Yeah. OK, let's go. 1602 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,920 Yeah. So perhaps as a way to deflect 1603 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,080 or as a way to set up for the viewers to know what she's 1604 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,880 thinking about, she asks what he thought about Viserys and the 1605 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:24,640 succession. But. 1606 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,520 Or while you don't get to be Grandmaster without 1607 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,000 understanding that you should not answer questions like that. 1608 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:31,720 And he's like, oh, I have no way. 1609 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,840 I wouldn't have any way to know. He never talked to me about it. 1610 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,880 The same tact that he just had with her and her dilemma, he's 1611 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:39,480 going to use it and she asked this question. 1612 01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:40,840 Too right. Yeah, like I will. 1613 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,000 Yeah, exactly like I will ask the other girl about that. 1614 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,320 Yeah. Refer to the third non existent 1615 01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:48,360 third person here. Yeah. 1616 01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,920 So are we meant to think or well, talk to Larry's is maybe 1617 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,280 that well how the next scene gets set up or is just Larry's 1618 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,680 checking in on her on his own is totally believable. 1619 01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,280 But we given that we know Larry's is has spies in her 1620 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,920 household now it's it could be both. 1621 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,800 I don't know. Like he's got, he's got his 1622 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,160 fingers everywhere. If I were lorries, I would want 1623 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,360 one of my informants to be the maester who deals with 1624 01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,560 everyone's, you know, medical ailments like that would be a 1625 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:18,320 very powerful and letter is like of all the all the people he 1626 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,600 could get or while would be the best one. 1627 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,960 That's a good point. He's director of communications 1628 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:24,720 medicine. Yeah, those are two very 1629 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,960 personal things. Even even if he doesn't have 1630 01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,360 actual oral, though, any other maester or any other servant 1631 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,160 could see that Oral just made this potion and then went to 1632 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,840 Allison's room and tell that Dolores, yes, that's enough room 1633 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:37,760 to put it together. So. 1634 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,040 Absolutely. So the now with Laurie's comes 1635 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,200 in. Instead of a stone dragon this 1636 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,120 time she's heating stones by the fire just to uses, you know, hot 1637 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,480 compresses, you know, for aching for her stomach. 1638 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,760 So the conversation with him is as highly charged as it often 1639 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,160 is, though, at least for now, he doesn't seem to be pussing pussy 1640 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,680 pushing for any sexual favors for now. 1641 01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,640 For now, he tries to make everything personal, though, 1642 01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaking to Allison the woman, he's trying to talk to her about 1643 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,160 how she feels about Kristen Cole being in danger. 1644 01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,200 But every answer isn't come from Allison the woman. 1645 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,000 It comes from Allison the queen Dowager. 1646 01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,000 He's trying to speak to her on a personal level, but she answers 1647 01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,680 as as if they're at counsel or as if it's like, well, Kristen 1648 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,720 Cole's the hand of the king. We all should pray for his 1649 01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:17,760 success. Like he won't. 1650 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,400 She won't answer on personal terms. 1651 01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:20,800 I think it's very interesting that dynamic. 1652 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,560 It's happening there. So he kind of moves on from 1653 01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,160 that. He's like, she's like, well, 1654 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,600 what did I what did I miss at council? 1655 01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,560 And this is super interesting. He's like, oh, Aegon's mad about 1656 01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,360 losing Harrenhal. He doesn't talk about anything 1657 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,760 else, doesn't mention the showdown between her sons, the 1658 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,360 argument or any of that. He just leaves that out, which 1659 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,640 is kind of sneaky. And I don't know exactly why 1660 01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,680 he's doing that, but it's just, you know, it's just a control 1661 01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,120 thing. Surely it's all about power and 1662 01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,560 control one way or the other, you know. 1663 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:49,040 It doesn't benefit him for her to know that Aegon might need 1664 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,360 some extra comfort or coddling. It doesn't benefit. 1665 01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:56,120 I can't see a way that it would benefit him for Allison to know 1666 01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:01,360 about that and it but it does make you wonder if he is would 1667 01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,840 throw his lot in with Aymond or if he is in on Aegon. 1668 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,400 Like what does he? Who does he see being powerful 1669 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,240 long term? Because, I mean, he doesn't want 1670 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,120 to bet on the wrong dragon. Good point I think. 1671 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:16,040 He's playing both sides. I think at the moment he's got 1672 01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:20,160 an amount of control over Aegon, but I think he understands that 1673 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,720 Aemon is really doing more than Aegon is a Aemon's the one he 1674 01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,120 needs to have more control or at least be in good with. 1675 01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:27,680 He may not be able to control Aegon. 1676 01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,160 That's the, the the the problem here, that a little from column, 1677 01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,080 a little from column BA Aemon's the one that's maybe the better 1678 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,520 one to back. But Aegon's the one he can 1679 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,080 actually manipulate, which might be better for him personally, 1680 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:39,840 you know, as far as his own power goals. 1681 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,920 But another thing that he says is interesting is he even when 1682 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,200 he seems to be understanding that, he seems to point out that 1683 01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,960 he knows that she and Cole have been hooking up. 1684 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,760 He's like, yeah, but it's OK. It's a sin to deny your desires. 1685 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,080 He's like, yeah, I know, but I don't have a problem with that. 1686 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,960 Doesn't mean he won't use it as leverage against her. 1687 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,200 It also doesn't mean he wants her to stop because, well, if 1688 01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,120 she stops sleeping with Cole, then he can't use that as 1689 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,000 leverage against her. Like, what good is the secret? 1690 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,600 That's what's good is a dirty secret that doesn't isn't taking 1691 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,520 place anymore. Like it you can't prove it, then 1692 01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,080 you know. Yeah, I think Laurie's benefits 1693 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,000 from every person who is corrupt. 1694 01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:13,680 Good point. Good way to say it, yeah. 1695 01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,120 I think it's also another example of him trying to 1696 01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,640 communicate with her on a personal level because he he 1697 01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,720 doesn't want to think it's a sin to have indulged his his 1698 01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,080 fantasies or whatever. Right, so. 1699 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,640 So the next topic is Viserys his intentions and how he can see 1700 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,360 from her books and maybe because of the question to Orwell. 1701 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,560 That's why I was wondering about that if if she's, he thinks 1702 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,800 she's wondering about that and if that means she's not as 1703 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,600 committed to the war as she had seemed. 1704 01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,080 I'm not entirely sure why he's concerned about that, but I 1705 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,560 think that's why 'cause look, he, he wants her to admit that 1706 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,520 we're at war now and then who wins is all that matters. 1707 01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,880 It doesn't the significance of Viserys intentions died with 1708 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:50,200 him. That's a line from a trailer. 1709 01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:51,680 We've been waiting for that one for a while. 1710 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,840 And it's it's true at this point it doesn't matter what Viserys 1711 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,400 wanted and she he wants to hear her say that because he's like, 1712 01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:03,320 look, we're fully committed now. You can't be Hemming and hawing 1713 01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,120 now that the war is on. Like the time to hem and Haw is 1714 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,960 long past. We need you committed. 1715 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,120 We're committed. Our lives are at stake. 1716 01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,240 You just said yourself, someone's going to, you know 1717 01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:14,480 they're going to. A bunch of people are going to 1718 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,320 die. The winner's going to climb over 1719 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:17,840 all those bodies to ascend the throne. 1720 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,680 We don't want to be those bodies. 1721 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,360 We don't want them climbing over us. 1722 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,520 So you better be in this lady. That's what he's saying here, 1723 01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:29,280 but very diplomatically, very politic instead of the way I 1724 01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,360 just said it. And she agrees. 1725 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:35,000 She knows he's doing this. She says he he's like, yeah. 1726 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,360 And she, he closes the book like, the topic is over, right? 1727 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,200 He close like, OK, that topic is over. 1728 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,120 Closes the book on that. It's like the bloody hands 1729 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:44,120 thing. It's one of the most obvious 1730 01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,480 forms of visual symbolism. Bloody hands means you're 1731 01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,040 guilty. Closing the book means that 1732 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:51,200 topic's over. But it clearly isn't because 1733 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,960 later in the episode, she's like, egg on where are your 1734 01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:55,440 father's books? You know? 1735 01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:56,800 And he's like, oh, I had them removed. 1736 01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,440 And she at first is like, why did you get rid? 1737 01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:02,520 He's like, I didn't burn them. So those books are still there 1738 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,200 somewhere. She might, just the very next 1739 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,640 episode she might be looking at those books. 1740 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,200 So I, I wonder what it is she's looking for. 1741 01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,800 The books in her chamber I think were history books at least 1742 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,160 cause at least that's how Laris was referring to them. 1743 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,240 But I think she now might she might be looking at prophecy 1744 01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,880 books. Yeah, I think she's expanding 1745 01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,600 the scope of her research, but I think, yeah, that's clear, 1746 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,760 'cause she's looked at the history books and now she's 1747 01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:27,160 looking for even more books that were in Viserys room now or 1748 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,200 elsewhere, wherever Aegon removed them. 1749 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,560 And thank you to Aegon for calling Allison out, for being 1750 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,720 so like rude and extreme to him. He's like, I didn't burn them. 1751 01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,440 You don't have to call me like an idiot over this. 1752 01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:38,960 Like I just removed them from my room. 1753 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,280 Removed doesn't mean incinerated. 1754 01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:42,560 Like, why? Where did you get like? 1755 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,160 That's quite a leap, mom. Don't, don't assume the worst me 1756 01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:53,480 mom, just 'cause I'm a rapist. So that's the third conversation 1757 01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:55,560 is between these two. So Allison's already obsessed 1758 01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,560 part of why she rounds on him like that. 1759 01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,240 She's already upset, but she rarely has any patience for him 1760 01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,160 anyway. She's already she's very 1761 01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,920 commonly speaks to him harshly. And she and there's another 1762 01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:06,600 another scene where someone is breathing heavily. 1763 01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,800 She's like visibly like 'cause she's mad and it's it's showing 1764 01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,440 in her body language. And it was kind of like that 1765 01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:16,760 before he even started talking. So he Joffrey's a bit here, you 1766 01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,760 know, he's like I'm the king, they should listen to me. 1767 01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,880 That's what I mean by Joffering saying I'm the king. 1768 01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:26,560 But she reminds him again that just being king doesn't, like, 1769 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,680 mean you're suddenly smarter. The crown doesn't give you new 1770 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,800 powers. Well, it does, but not new 1771 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,240 thinking powers. It gives you new authority, not 1772 01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:35,080 new. Yeah. 1773 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,640 And so she's like, look, you weren't taught. 1774 01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,200 She didn't say it this way. She's like, look, you weren't 1775 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,400 taught how to be a king. So the only way for you to not 1776 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,960 screw up is to do nothing 'cause we didn't, we didn't prepare you 1777 01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,000 for this. And you're not a natural at it. 1778 01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,920 So I sympathize with Allison's points, but it's another example 1779 01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,200 of her coming up short as a mother. 1780 01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,560 This is an example. This is another person trying to 1781 01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,840 talk to her on the personal level, but she just goes at it 1782 01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,680 as a queen Dowager and not as a mother. 1783 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,480 And he's trying to talk to her as a mother. 1784 01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:03,200 And this is your son, not the master of whispers who's tried 1785 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,600 to get feet picks from you. So I, I think she should have 1786 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,480 been a little more compassionate here. 1787 01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:11,080 And she may regret it even more after, you know, once she sees 1788 01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,400 what happened. Yeah, you're right. 1789 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,960 I think she's going to really, I guess that's like really beat 1790 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,880 herself up for for him going to do that. 1791 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,200 I can't see how she wouldn't partially blame herself, even 1792 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,280 though I don't think she really should. 1793 01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:24,080 But regardless, I think Allison, like I had such big feelings on 1794 01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:25,960 her here because, yeah, she's really cruel. 1795 01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,840 She's really mean. But I also think she's make some 1796 01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:33,640 very good points that like show her as a, you know, I, I 1797 01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:36,800 appreciated her saying, no, the crown does not imbue you with 1798 01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,240 wisdom. The I, the people on this 1799 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,960 council are learning people like they're, they're competent 1800 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,560 people and all that. I will say a lot of those people 1801 01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,520 on that council got to that position through, you know, 1802 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,400 nepotism and then there and and the aristocracy and all of that. 1803 01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,800 But still, they're generally more competent than Aegon is. 1804 01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,520 Her point remains, and I appreciated her pointing that 1805 01:24:58,520 --> 01:24:59,760 out. But like you said, Aziz, it just 1806 01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,400 isn't the time for that. And I think the other thing here 1807 01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,120 is that she just took her moon tea recently. 1808 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,200 And I think she's extra like emotional, grouchy, like 1809 01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:12,040 sensitive. She's she's willing to snap at 1810 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,480 him more than she would have otherwise. 1811 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,440 Especially getting called. Actually, she's just at that 1812 01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:18,800 scene with Laura. She's like, God, this guy's so 1813 01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:20,360 you know. Yeah, exactly. 1814 01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,600 She's extra irritable. She's just irritable right now. 1815 01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,040 And it's like, that makes sense to me. 1816 01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,200 But she also doesn't know what a rough time Aegon actually has, 1817 01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,880 cause Laurie's didn't tell her. She doesn't know that Aegon was 1818 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,920 just completely humiliated and yeah, he does not need to be 1819 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,800 more humiliated by her. Lawyers didn't tell her, but 1820 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,120 also she wasn't at that council meeting. 1821 01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:43,040 That is a duty that she has, that because of other ways she's 1822 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,920 been shirking her duties, she missed out on. 1823 01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,120 That's kind of a fairpoint. Yeah, yeah. 1824 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,040 I think that this is a strong parallel to Otto's last 1825 01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,400 interaction with Aegon, that she's just emotional and on edge 1826 01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,560 and fed up, and she just said a bunch of things she shouldn't 1827 01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,480 have said. Even if she's right, everything 1828 01:25:59,480 --> 01:26:03,120 Otto told Aegon, it was pretty much right, but it didn't stop 1829 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,640 Aegon from firing him his hand. You, you know, like it's 1830 01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,440 understandable that they're losing control of their emotions 1831 01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:12,560 in these moments, but it doesn't mean just 'cause we understand 1832 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,080 that you're losing control, that it's OK with Aegon. 1833 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,440 Yeah. And they're dealing with the guy 1834 01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:18,680 who has even less control than them, by far. 1835 01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,480 Like, don't set this guy off. This guy with all this power. 1836 01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:22,400 Like, don't do that. Yeah. 1837 01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,920 The worst part about it is that even though she was sort of 1838 01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,600 being snippy and saying things that were mean and she could 1839 01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,360 have handled it all better, she still had his attention. 1840 01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,880 The last moment he said, OK, mom, what do I do? 1841 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,400 And she could have, in that moment, she could have said 1842 01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:43,800 like, just listen to the other counselors go back and and have, 1843 01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,280 you know, have court and let the commoners cut. 1844 01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,800 You did a good job last time. When the people were coming to 1845 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,600 you with problems, you helped them find solutions. 1846 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,760 Go have a speech, throw a feast, a tournament, do some PR. 1847 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,280 She could have given him something to do, even if it's 1848 01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:02,240 busy work or beneath him or whatever, but to say nothing 1849 01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,240 guarantees he will do something. Yes, absolutely. 1850 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,680 She finally actually he was ready to listen to her and her 1851 01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,600 advice was nothing. And it if she had told him 1852 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,160 anything, I think he would have done it. 1853 01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,040 And even if it was busy work, even if it just delays his 1854 01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,240 boredom for three days or something, that's all it she 1855 01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,000 needed to do with Delay his boarding for three days because. 1856 01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,840 Instead he sits there and keeps drinking. 1857 01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,440 And if you notice that pitcher was full when he sat down at 1858 01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:33,080 that table and then eventually did to make sure we know it's 1859 01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:33,760 empty. He smacked. 1860 01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,520 He pushes it slowly off the table like a cat. 1861 01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,640 And he was drinking before he got to that room and he's 1862 01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,080 drinking while he's putting his armor on. 1863 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,080 So he is just like mad drunk. And he's it's the boy in Aegon 1864 01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:48,080 who makes this decision to fly off, not the king, a very, very 1865 01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,400 drunk boy. And it's it's just like rain 1866 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,360 era. It was the mother in her that 1867 01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,560 flew off to find her son's body. But it's the queen making the 1868 01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,640 decision to send Rainey's to Rook's Rest. 1869 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:04,000 And it's Aegon, the boy who is going off to Rook's rest. 1870 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,520 It's no point. Is Aegon the king and play here. 1871 01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,760 He's just he's trying to be but but the boy and the king aren't 1872 01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,200 separate with him. He he hasn't separated them at 1873 01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,520 any point. So the duality of roles is 1874 01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,920 really big in this episode. It's always big in the show 1875 01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,000 because everyone, all these Royals and nobles have these 1876 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,440 dual roles. They they are mothers and Lords 1877 01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:26,680 or mothers and both mother and grandmother in some cases. 1878 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,600 Or mother and Queen. Right, Mother and queen or king 1879 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,320 and father for Aegon, Hand and father for Otto, Lord commander 1880 01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,920 in Hand for Kristen Cole, which actually comes up pretty big 1881 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,400 too. The difference there in the in 1882 01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,360 the battle that we're getting to and Damon has more than one 1883 01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,120 role, like he's king, consort, uncle, husband and father. 1884 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:44,640 Which part of that's Targaryen incest. 1885 01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,560 Yeah. And some like Amon maybe he's 1886 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,560 mostly only about power. He doesn't have that much family 1887 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,440 loyalty. He has shown loyalty to Helena 1888 01:28:56,440 --> 01:29:00,680 in the past, but not not as he's called his mother 2 tongued and 1889 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,840 obviously has all sorts of problems with Aegon. 1890 01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,200 So anyway, it's they're not all the same. 1891 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:07,840 All right, let's talk about the battle. 1892 01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,040 Let's talk about it. It's an interesting name. 1893 01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:11,200 Rooks Rest. What battle? 1894 01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,560 Oh, you know the one at the end, that little thing that happened, 1895 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,280 you know? Oh, I didn't finish the episode. 1896 01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,000 I didn't know it was going to be battle. 1897 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,880 So it does not refer to Rook as in the piece in chess, even 1898 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,440 though that's would be kind of fitting cause a Rook is a castle 1899 01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,680 in chess. But it's not. 1900 01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,840 There's no chess in Westeros or Essos. 1901 01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,880 Rooks are a type of bird. They're in the corvid family. 1902 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,120 So they're very similar to crows and Ravens and such. 1903 01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:39,960 They have white beaks instead of black beaks. 1904 01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:43,080 They don't live in America or in South America or in Africa. 1905 01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,080 They're they only live in Europe and and Asia. 1906 01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,680 They only breed in Asia. So a lot of us aren't as 1907 01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,960 familiar with them. You might recognize the scene of 1908 01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,800 this battle from Gladiator. This is the same site that they 1909 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,200 filmed that bat early, that scene in early bat Gladiator 1910 01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,520 where the they're fighting against those German Germanic 1911 01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:02,760 armies, I believe. And it's because of that just 1912 01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:07,400 very distinct tree line that very that it goes from flat 1913 01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,280 ground to tree line and and very quickly. 1914 01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:13,320 And that's really important for having their shelter and their 1915 01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,160 army can emerge pretty close from the castle. 1916 01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,760 So it's really good. Now before we say it starts 1917 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,960 simply with just some felling of trees, the castles like, oh boy, 1918 01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,800 there they are. We need to get some help and 1919 01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,080 then we go away to set do some more set up. 1920 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,480 The Green Council is very pleased with Kristen Cole's 1921 01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:33,080 progress. We hear he's sending back loot 1922 01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,000 from the castles they've taken. And money is becoming an issue. 1923 01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,680 They're feeding the Dragons. It's getting harder. 1924 01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,680 The blockade is is pinching them. 1925 01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:42,280 So they're it's a it's it's a problem. 1926 01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:47,320 In fact, talking about how well Kristen Cole is doing is is one 1927 01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,480 of the things that gets Aegon a little upset. 1928 01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:52,720 The thing that really sets him off is when Jasper Iron Rod goes 1929 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,640 and Heyman Veigar is here to protect us, you know, we're 1930 01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,480 doing, you know, and then he's like, yeah, you are boring me, 1931 01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:00,040 your boy. Like that's the last thing that 1932 01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,880 sets him off. So the blacks, on the, on the 1933 01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:05,040 other hand, are worried about Cole's. 1934 01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,200 While the greens are praising Kristen Cole, the blacks are 1935 01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,240 like, Yikes, that's the biggest boogeyman for them. 1936 01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,120 And Harrenhal is also worried about Kristen Cole. 1937 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,960 And Sir Simon Says to Damon, he's like, you know, Kristen 1938 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,840 Cole's target is probably here. His eventual target is probably 1939 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,400 here and he hasn't gone. And even Gwain expected Kristen 1940 01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,200 Cole to turn West for Heron Hall and made that joke about it. 1941 01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,320 And he's like, no, we're not. We're not ready to do that just 1942 01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,120 yet. I, I couldn't help but think of 1943 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,600 in our Facebook group, Michael Clarfeld had had a post where he 1944 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,720 was like, it looks like they're going out the wrong way from 1945 01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,520 King's Landing to go to Heron Hall, blah, blah. 1946 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,600 And he's like, you know, he's, that's the map maker and did a 1947 01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,520 map behind us. He's right now Clara Docks 1948 01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,920 Michael Clarfeld. So he like had a map post and a 1949 01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,640 bunch of us called him to be like, they're not going to Heron 1950 01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,960 Hall. They're not going there, you're 1951 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:53,880 right, but they're. Going the long way. 1952 01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,120 They're going all the way around the globe, coming back around. 1953 01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,240 They'll never see that coming. Yeah. 1954 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:00,040 So Cole. Yeah. 1955 01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,360 So Michael Clarkfeld and Glen Hightower had the same reaction 1956 01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:07,080 there as a lot of people. So now Cole knows Cole. 1957 01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,720 This is why I say Cole's plan was pretty clever, even though 1958 01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:12,800 it didn't quite work the way he wanted to. 1959 01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,640 He knew they know that he knows. They know they're watching him. 1960 01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,160 So he used that to their advantage. 1961 01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:22,080 He's like, they know I don't have a dragon, they'll send one. 1962 01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:26,680 Hence the trap, right? Aegon calls Rooks Rest a 1963 01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,120 pathetic a prize during council, but it's explained why it has 1964 01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,240 strategic value even without the trap. 1965 01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,880 He doesn't mention the trap as to why it has strategic value. 1966 01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:40,560 And those reasons are it forces smaller castles to take a side 1967 01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,480 like nobody's too small for this war. 1968 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:45,400 You have to choose like the marketing for the show, all must 1969 01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:48,160 choose. This is a council member on the 1970 01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:51,160 Black Council so they want to punish the Rainier's closest 1971 01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:56,080 supporters to make to punish other would be joiners to say to 1972 01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:57,760 to cut that off before it even happens. 1973 01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,960 And it might split, it might split motivations on the council 1974 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,000 if those other council, 'cause they might go to my castle next. 1975 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,600 We need to defend that, yes. And Ranira wants to go to 1976 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,600 Harrenhal or whatever the thing. And then suddenly they'll have 1977 01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,480 their personal motivation to get mixed up and stuff. 1978 01:33:09,480 --> 01:33:11,480 Very good point. You're that's a great point. 1979 01:33:11,480 --> 01:33:13,440 Yeah. So and then the final point made 1980 01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:17,280 by Aymond is that it cuts it's the last available port to them. 1981 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:21,640 So if they will try to stop us from taking it because then they 1982 01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,480 won't have a place to land troops anymore unless they take 1983 01:33:23,480 --> 01:33:26,480 one of these other castles back. So it's a pretty, pretty solid 1984 01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:29,920 logic all the way around, even without the trap included, which 1985 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,120 makes it an even better plan. Backing up a little farther 1986 01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,880 though, we have Duskendale and this is where we get the why 1987 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:39,280 aren't we marching W bit. Everything about this Dusk and 1988 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,640 Dale scene is grim. It's super well done. 1989 01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,960 It's like a two-minute scene, but the vibe is overwhelmingly 1990 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:46,240 dark. Hey, appropriate. 1991 01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,480 It's house Darkland, but they're the ones suffering. 1992 01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:52,280 The darkness here, the music, the setting, overcast weather, 1993 01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,320 the overall vibe, the way Kristen just walks along the 1994 01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:58,200 line of men as they slowly kneel after he cuts their Lord's head 1995 01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,200 off. It's so ominous and it just 1996 01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:04,760 shows how caught between, again, a, a Rook and a hard place these 1997 01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:06,200 men are. They really have no choice. 1998 01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:11,720 It's like die now or suffer a lot and probably die later. 1999 01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:13,600 You know, like what a great choice. 2000 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,640 There's a really like a certain way that Kristen walks away 2001 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,960 from, from that beheading. They like the the, the acting 2002 01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:23,480 from him, like the way his body language and how he walks away. 2003 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,520 He does it with such a smooth motion. 2004 01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,440 You know what I mean? Like it's like he chops the head 2005 01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:31,000 off and like, normally you would expect someone to like chop a 2006 01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,120 head off and like, wait a beat. It's like he chops it and by the 2007 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,040 time he's finished swinging, he's already walking away and on 2008 01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:37,560 to the next beat. You know what I mean? 2009 01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:39,360 Yeah, it is. You're right that that adds to 2010 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:39,720 it. You're right. 2011 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,040 I I have, I kind of struggle putting it into words. 2012 01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,880 What about this scene? Because it's so many different 2013 01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:47,520 little things that make it so dark and, and, and, but that is 2014 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,920 a good point. Like his, his body language, 2015 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,960 just his swagger. It's a dark swagger. 2016 01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,560 You know, it's something I've been thinking about for a lot of 2017 01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,280 these characters. It was something that was like 2018 01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:02,160 really congealing last episode that Ranira was finally 2019 01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:03,760 accepting. OK, that's it. 2020 01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,280 We're going to war. And, you know, once you make 2021 01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:11,680 that realization, you change your attitude about it, right? 2022 01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:13,920 And it's kind of what Lars was checking for with Allison. 2023 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,680 And I think in a way she had, I think I said that last week when 2024 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:20,160 she said that there was no mistake, you know, about like 2025 01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,080 how she interpreted Aegon's dream or whatever. 2026 01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,960 In that moment, I was like, there's no mistake because we're 2027 01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,520 doing everything on purpose. We have to. 2028 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,680 We're at war. We can't like question our 2029 01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:34,240 decisions or feel bad about it. Everything we decide has to be 2030 01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:35,160 correct. It can't. 2031 01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,160 Full mistake that. Makes sense, right? 2032 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,240 And I think that Rener is at that point now and I think 2033 01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:44,680 Cole's been at that point on the battlefield for weeks and he is 2034 01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,440 just a cold blooded robot killer now. 2035 01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:50,800 And it changed him, but when he but then after the rook's rest 2036 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,880 that's going to that maybe has changed him even more because 2037 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,680 it's not what he expected. But we'll we'll get to that in a 2038 01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,640 minute. But I think this that was 2039 01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:57,920 really, really good point there, Sean. 2040 01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,480 Really good take. One of the other things that's 2041 01:35:59,480 --> 01:36:01,960 ominous about this is Gwane Hightower has blood on his face 2042 01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,080 and he says nothing. He jokes always like the only 2043 01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,000 time he hasn't joked or needled called. 2044 01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:08,600 I mean, he did needle him about which direction they're 2045 01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:10,000 marching, but that was a little later, you know? 2046 01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,480 So it's just like some of that night of summer vibe is falling 2047 01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:16,000 off of Glenn Hightower here. He's getting hard and fast by 2048 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,640 having it. Being in a real war and seeing 2049 01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:21,960 some nasty, bloody brutality like this is worse than it 2050 01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,200 looks. This is a thriving port town. 2051 01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:28,160 If it's one of the closest population centers to being a 2052 01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,480 city that isn't quite a city and it was sacked. 2053 01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:32,240 You can see the smoke billowing up. 2054 01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:35,960 Not only does this imply innocent people were robbed, if 2055 01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,880 not killed, Lord Darkland just says that's what happened. 2056 01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,640 He's like, you're sacking, you know, he calls it one of your 2057 01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,520 queen cities. He's still stubborn about who's 2058 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,440 actually in charge here. He's like, he still says the 2059 01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:50,880 queen and he's like, no, you're, you're, no, that's the king. 2060 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,440 You're lucky. You're lucky for this death as a 2061 01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:55,040 traitor. That's what Cole tells him, 2062 01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:55,720 right? Yeah. 2063 01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:00,240 Can I say I really liked it being a Darkland who insults 2064 01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,040 Kristen and and calls him Kingmaker again here and all 2065 01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,400 that, right, because dark House Darkland is known for being a 2066 01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,440 house that has provided the most Kingsguard Knights, including, 2067 01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:11,120 of course, Stephen Darkland himself. 2068 01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:13,360 So of course he's all in on Rainier right now. 2069 01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:18,080 But in traditionally they're a Kingsguard house and for him to 2070 01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,600 insult him as and the Kingsguard was very meaningful. 2071 01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,400 Good point. There's really no one that could 2072 01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:24,600 say you're not worthy of the white cloak. 2073 01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,400 And this is a guy who was just complaining about like their 2074 01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,520 purity and like talking to Eric and how he got him to to go to 2075 01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:34,360 the Dragonstone. So he cuts off his head in 2076 01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:37,600 response to, you know, like he executes him, spits at his foot, 2077 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,520 calls him kingmaker. Kingmaker, by the way, that's 2078 01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,520 how he's remembered. And that's his nickname that's 2079 01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:42,760 carried forward. He's called a king. 2080 01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,440 He's called Kingmaker in A Song of Ice and Fire. 2081 01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,400 And you mentioned Stefan Darkland and the Kingsguard. 2082 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,440 Yes, they do have the most Kingsguard Knights of all time 2083 01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,840 That that hadn't necessarily been established at this point, 2084 01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:52,920 but they'd already had three at this point. 2085 01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:54,640 They've already had three Knights in the Kingsguard at 2086 01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:55,760 this era. I don't think anyone else has 2087 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,280 had two. And they end up with having 2088 01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,480 seven by the time of modern time. 2089 01:37:59,480 --> 01:38:03,800 So before actually then Aries wipes out the whole house so 2090 01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,840 there are no more Darklands. But so they're not going to get 2091 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,080 a snake. But anyway. 2092 01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,520 Appropriate 7's the the full number. 2093 01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,880 Even Visenya didn't sack Duskendale when during the 2094 01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,160 conquest she let she let them, she took their money, but she 2095 01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:19,880 didn't sack it. She's just like, you give me the 2096 01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,720 money. To be fair, it wasn't civil war, 2097 01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,600 it was the conquest. So there was still, you know, 2098 01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:29,280 Anyway, so that's that really dark, really grim, really well 2099 01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:33,000 done scene. And most of the men who haven't 2100 01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,120 been killed, Yeah, they see their Lord executed and they're 2101 01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:36,760 like, well, join or die, I guess we'll join. 2102 01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:41,360 So Stefan Darkland learns of the fate of his birthplace and his 2103 01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,840 father, right when Rainier and him return from their little 2104 01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,360 commando mission there. But the moment is lie. 2105 01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,000 He's like, he puts his hands on the table. 2106 01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,720 He's like overcome, but Jace immediately is like, where have 2107 01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,280 you been, you know? And so that gets kind of pushed 2108 01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:55,640 to the side. Yeah, it was a little 2109 01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,560 inappropriate how he did it, but it really was how he's like, I, 2110 01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,320 I need to know. I can't wait any longer. 2111 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,080 He is impatient. That was a that's, yeah. 2112 01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:03,760 There's another example. That's a perfect example of the 2113 01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:04,400 impatience. Yeah. 2114 01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,280 So yes, like, yeah, you should have maybe given that man a 2115 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,240 minute, you know, like. Or even 30 seconds. 2116 01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,480 Yeah, more than. Yeah, more than two seconds, 2117 01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:14,120 which is. Yeah. 2118 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,800 So Rainiera thinks to surprise them, she's like, all right. 2119 01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,360 They think I'm slow and sluggish and afraid to send a dragon 2120 01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,400 watch this. But that's Cole knew she would 2121 01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:24,640 do that. So This is why I'm like, yeah, 2122 01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,560 it's a pretty good plan by Cole. He knew. 2123 01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,680 And he also figured out probably which dragon they would send 2124 01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,560 because the same process of elimination that arrived at them 2125 01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,640 sending meilees, he could figure that out. 2126 01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,800 Like, they're not going to send Jace, they're not going to send 2127 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,360 Rainiera, and they're not going to send Little Moon Dancer. 2128 01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,240 And who else is there? That's literally it. 2129 01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:46,120 You know, you reminded me of a point that I wanted to make. 2130 01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,760 I'm pretty sure it was last week when it went back and forth 2131 01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,720 between the councils. There were several times when 2132 01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,600 someone said they will come to the same conclusion. 2133 01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:59,040 Do you remember that? Yes, each council said that of 2134 01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,480 the other council. I, I think, I think, I think 2135 01:40:01,480 --> 01:40:05,000 Aegon said it when they're, when he was like, it's war and like 2136 01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:06,800 they're feuding anyway. This isn't war. 2137 01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,600 And he goes like, no, I it's, I'm calling it war, and they're 2138 01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,360 going to call it war too. Yeah, that was one of the few 2139 01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,080 times he was right. Yeah, he was right about that, 2140 01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,960 Yeah. And shoot, I wish I remember it, 2141 01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:20,200 but Renera did, you know, made oh, she was like, we can't send 2142 01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,120 dragon on dragon. It's going to be too 2143 01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:23,400 destructive. We can't do that. 2144 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,160 And they'll come to the same conclusion. 2145 01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,960 And and they sort of had, they did not expect it to be dragon. 2146 01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:34,880 Well, I guess they did. They expected Rainier to finally 2147 01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:37,400 break that because they that was their only choice. 2148 01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,960 Like there's there's no land army for them to assault with 2149 01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:41,920 and a sea army that'd be crazy sending ships. 2150 01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,560 Like not only would that break their blockade because they they 2151 01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:47,120 already don't have enough ships for the blockade, but that just 2152 01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:50,040 makes it vulnerable to a dragon. So like, ships are the worst 2153 01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,600 thing to send against a dragon? Even expecting it quote UN quote 2154 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:57,280 to be dragon and dragon, they still wanted it to be a surprise 2155 01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,080 at dragon attack on dragon, right? 2156 01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:01,520 They still hid Veigar. You know, even when they 2157 01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,720 decided, all right, we're going to have to use a dragon to fight 2158 01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,680 a dragon, they still were careful and sneaky about how 2159 01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,360 they did it. Yeah, and they're and they can 2160 01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:09,560 be sure like, and this is the thing. 2161 01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:13,320 It's a it's a win win. If they're wrong and they send 2162 01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:16,080 no Dragons, OK, no big deal. They win Rook's Rest, they 2163 01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,120 punish the Black Council, they accomplish all those other 2164 01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,360 goals. They just don't accomplish goal 2165 01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:22,440 4 ambush and kill one of the Queen's Dragons. 2166 01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,240 If they get really lucky, Rainier actually does come. 2167 01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:27,640 They're like, holy crap, she actually came. 2168 01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,520 They kill her and then they're like, yay. 2169 01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:33,240 If they send two Dragons, well, Veigar might could take two 2170 01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:37,760 Dragons, cause malice and you know, like it would be dangerous 2171 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:41,000 if it was malice and Cyrax that would be But then they could 2172 01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,480 just maybe just go, OK, you can have Rook's rest back. 2173 01:41:43,480 --> 01:41:45,600 We'll back off and fight another day. 2174 01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,360 I don't know if they would have, they would at least have that 2175 01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,000 option. So that's why the plan is good 2176 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,520 because like almost every outcome, even if some things go 2177 01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:56,160 wrong, they can still book a victory. 2178 01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:59,960 The problem was they baited a trap for a dragon and Sunfire 2179 01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:02,320 came. A gun was the bait. 2180 01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:03,960 Gun took the bait. It's like, oh shoot, I'll. 2181 01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,560 Tell you we've long talked about like, well, do we think 2 2182 01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:10,720 smaller Dragons fight a big dragon in different context, not 2183 01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:12,400 just in the Dance of the Dragons, but just like we talk 2184 01:42:12,440 --> 01:42:15,400 about like something attack Valerian or whatever, right? 2185 01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,440 We're talking about make or in the past, having seen this 2186 01:42:18,440 --> 01:42:21,320 fight, my money would be on Veigar. 2187 01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,960 Even with Cyrax and Malies versus Veigar. 2188 01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:27,120 I I, I don't know, like I having seen it. 2189 01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,840 I, I, I if I'm betting, I'm betting on the biggest dragon. 2190 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:34,240 I disagree and This is why why I'll tell you because this was 2191 01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:41,760 sort of like Veigar and Sunfire versus Malies, right? 2192 01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,320 This wasn't like this was this was the biggest dragon and 2193 01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:49,360 another dragon versus one dragon, not not two versus the 2194 01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:50,840 one big dragon. Does that make sense? 2195 01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,800 Like Malee's was injured and distracted already when she 2196 01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:58,200 started fighting Veigar. So if she had been full up, it 2197 01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:00,960 might have been a closer match. And if she had a second dragon 2198 01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,960 there helping her, I I still think it's at least close. 2199 01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:07,040 I don't think she really damaged Veigar very much. 2200 01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:11,120 I think if Veigar had it been trying to like let Sunfire get 2201 01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:12,960 messed up, it would have been very different. 2202 01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,600 There's a few things in here that you all need to take into 2203 01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:16,320 account. I think that that affect this 2204 01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,720 discussion. One is Rainey specifically 2205 01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:22,000 wasn't trying to kill the riders. 2206 01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:24,600 That is stated behind the scenes. 2207 01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:26,560 She didn't want to. She still didn't want to kill 2208 01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:29,040 her nephews if he was trying to kill the Riders. 2209 01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,520 She was avoiding fire in general. 2210 01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:32,960 Right, because she didn't want to kill innocent. 2211 01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,040 People on the ground. Well, no, she 'cause she shot a 2212 01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:36,040 lot of fire on the ground. You. 2213 01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,120 Know she doesn't care about the small folk we've. 2214 01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:42,640 All that's established anyway, let me continue the so she she 2215 01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:46,600 wasn't trying to kill her nephews and but if they were if 2216 01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:48,720 the dragon, if the dragon riders are actually trying to kill each 2217 01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:50,960 other and not the Dragons, it changes the game. 2218 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,640 Because if you do have a small dragon that's maneuverable, it's 2219 01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,640 entirely possible that you could kill the rider without getting 2220 01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:01,400 close to the big dragon. It's risk, but that is what she 2221 01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,440 tried to do. May least that is how she tried 2222 01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:05,560 to win by outmaneuvering Veigar. It didn't work. 2223 01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,440 Let me explain it further. So let's get a little deeper 2224 01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:11,000 into the battle because we skipped over a few things. 2225 01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:14,840 So first of all, Cole's like all excited about his plan. 2226 01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:19,160 He's like can't wait, you know, and Gwane Hightower's like, why 2227 01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:22,600 are we attacking in daylight? Like the Blackwater Bay is right 2228 01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:25,280 there, bro, they dragon control, but any second we wouldn't be 2229 01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:28,480 able to do anything about he's like they won't expect it. 2230 01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:30,760 He's like they won't expect it because it's insane, you know, 2231 01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:31,760 and he's like, what are you afraid? 2232 01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,720 And he does. He uses that same line that we 2233 01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,760 always love to say works so well in Westeros. 2234 01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,680 What are you afraid? But Gwen has the best response 2235 01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:41,640 ever worse. I'm rational. 2236 01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:43,320 I love that. I was like, yes, more people 2237 01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:46,680 should say that to what are you scared that response, But not 2238 01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:50,160 everyone is as quippy and and ready with response as Gwen 2239 01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,040 Hightower. So Rainey shows up and he's like 2240 01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,240 send the signal and Gwen Hightower's like what signal? 2241 01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:58,480 This is a great way of making the audience know. 2242 01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:00,240 It's like emphasizing what's happening. 2243 01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:02,960 Glenn Hightower is the audience. He asks all the questions the 2244 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,720 audience would want. Like, so this was your plan. 2245 01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,920 Have Aegon. He's like, no, it's not my plan. 2246 01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,320 And that's the moment at which Kristen Cole switches from Hand 2247 01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:16,160 of the King to Lord Commander, the Kingsguard. 2248 01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,680 He ceases to care about the battle and only cares about 2249 01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,800 Aegon's life because a he's like, oh crap, this guy has no 2250 01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:26,120 idea what he's doing. He knows Aegon is incompetent. 2251 01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,120 He's probably already guessed these drunk if he thought about 2252 01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:30,560 it for a second. It's like that kids probably 2253 01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,200 drunk, you know, 'cause he's always drunk. 2254 01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:36,320 But what can he do? Like, owl right up there and 2255 01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:41,280 like, he can't do anything. So, yeah. 2256 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:45,480 And if we back up even farther to build the sadness for all 2257 01:45:45,480 --> 01:45:49,640 this yeah, you've got them the preparation when they get ready 2258 01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:54,480 to launch like Rainy's looking at Mae lease with her cool like 2259 01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:59,640 tiara thing that I feel like is some piece of old Valyrian 2260 01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,640 jewelry it got got it's got to be. 2261 01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,120 I think it's Baratheon. It has antlers on it. 2262 01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:05,040 Oh, doesn't really. It's. 2263 01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:08,520 A new piece of headwear that's meant to, like, represent her, 2264 01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,800 her, her, her Targaryen and Baratheon. 2265 01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:15,160 Well, color be wrong then. That sounds that you're probably 2266 01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:15,480 right. Yeah. 2267 01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:16,840 Oh, you know what now? Her hair there is black. 2268 01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:18,160 She's got a little black thing on it, right? 2269 01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,160 I know. That's cool. 2270 01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:20,800 I know. I like that. 2271 01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,680 Appreciate her showing her breathy and heritage there. 2272 01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,040 And then Aegon, of course, is got his dragon. 2273 01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,120 Sunfire boops him. It's another little way to 2274 01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:31,600 humanize the dragon right before they wreck it, you know, to make 2275 01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:36,920 us sad. So both of the Dragons are shown 2276 01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,160 to kind of love their riders and vice versa. 2277 01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,480 Vagar, we don't see the preparation there. 2278 01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:46,040 We just see him see her hiding in the trees, you know, maybe a 2279 01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:48,520 mile or two away. I saw some people complaining 2280 01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:50,000 about this, like, how could you conceal the dragon? 2281 01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,960 It's like forest is like massive. 2282 01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,840 It's like square miles. Like yes this is a big big ass 2283 01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,160 dragon but do you have any idea how large forests are? 2284 01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,360 All those shots of the Dragons in the air flying, swooping 2285 01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:04,800 down, there's just like, sea of tree to the horizon, like, And 2286 01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:05,680 she's green. I don't. 2287 01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,480 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I don't see that's 2288 01:47:09,480 --> 01:47:11,360 not far fetched in the slightest to me. 2289 01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,160 Like for this is. Like it might be hard to hide 2290 01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:17,920 from satellite imagery, but it's not hard to hide from sold in a 2291 01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,400 castle 2 miles. Away they aren't, it's who are 2292 01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:23,480 all hiding in the castle. They're terrified of this army, 2293 01:47:23,480 --> 01:47:25,880 so they're not going anywhere. But yeah, they're all hiding and 2294 01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:27,160 there's no way they'd see this dragon. 2295 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,840 So why didn't the Black send multiple Dragons? 2296 01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:32,160 Why didn't the Greens do that? Possibility? 2297 01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:34,440 We we covered that. I think they both know each 2298 01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:36,360 other's capabilities. Like they don't. 2299 01:47:36,440 --> 01:47:38,680 Neither side has a lot of Dragons, even though there's a 2300 01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,240 lot of riderless Dragons. But as far as the Dragons and 2301 01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,960 dragon dragonards, both sides know exactly what the other 2302 01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,320 side's arsenal looks like, and it can can put out a reasonable 2303 01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,320 guess as to who they're willing to risk and not. 2304 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,920 So yeah, they're not likely to send Rainier. 2305 01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:55,760 They're not likely to send Jay. It's just like we're not likely 2306 01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,040 to send Egon. Oops. 2307 01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:01,280 You know, So yeah, they're not going to send Moondancer. 2308 01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,520 Like, she's tiny. And they saw her. 2309 01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,280 They saw how tiny she was. Like that would have been enough 2310 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,200 to kill them on their. There were six guys on their 2311 01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:09,080 horses. But they're not going to. 2312 01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,120 They've already established not wanting to send her into battle 2313 01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:13,160 either, basically. So, yeah. 2314 01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,040 All right, the battle begins. I love how it's done. 2315 01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:20,160 It gets very thick very quickly with the Song of Ice and Fire 2316 01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,560 voice over, and it gets worse really fast. 2317 01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:25,840 Those poor soldiers. There's just like nothing we can 2318 01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,840 do here. We're just back, forward, up, 2319 01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:30,560 down. Everything is killing us. 2320 01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,440 And just as Eamon is about to join the battle and spring the 2321 01:48:34,440 --> 01:48:40,160 trap, Sunfire flies overhead. And Eamon is like, idiot. 2322 01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,520 He says it in High Valyrian though, because, you know. 2323 01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:45,680 I really liked that he said it in High Valyrian. 2324 01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:47,840 I'm like, I'm picturing like Eamon's inner monologue is all 2325 01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,880 in High Valyrian or whatever. Or I like it even more the idea 2326 01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:53,680 that he said it in High Valyrian so Veigar would understand him. 2327 01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:57,040 Because Veigar doesn't know English, you know, and like I 2328 01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:59,800 also have seen a lot of talk from you and Mitchell talking 2329 01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:04,160 about calling Veigar this older she dragon and comparing it to, 2330 01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:07,320 you know, Aymond, you know, having some like, like for older 2331 01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:10,040 women and mommy, she's like, he's like he finds it very 2332 01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:10,880 resonant. That's funny. 2333 01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:12,280 Yeah. He thinks it's very resonant 2334 01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:15,840 that, that his, his dragon is an older she dragon, as he calls 2335 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:17,400 it. And the closest like person like 2336 01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:21,000 closest connection he has. Sylvie Yeah. 2337 01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,720 Well, yeah, he's saying the closest connection he has is to 2338 01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,840 this older she dragon Veigar and this older woman, Sylvie. 2339 01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:31,000 And yeah, yeah, mommy issues. That's hilarious. 2340 01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,520 So he tells Veigar to sit back down. 2341 01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:37,120 And I love the exhale from her nose. 2342 01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:40,480 It just shoots all the the plants downward and her the 2343 01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:43,520 force of her neck hitting the ground just when she just lops, 2344 01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:47,840 which sets up just how much, how much the wings beating and the 2345 01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:51,000 landing later, how much of A concussive force that creates, 2346 01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:52,960 which is just great. Now, I think there is some 2347 01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:58,120 intentional ambiguity through this, but it's worth noting that 2348 01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:02,080 he saw the signal already. Cole already sent the signal. 2349 01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:03,960 He's supposed to be coming, helping in a battle. 2350 01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:09,080 Then he sees Aegon and then tells Veigar to hold on, wait a 2351 01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:10,840 minute, let's not go yet. Oh, I agree. 2352 01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:12,200 He he's suggesting that he he did. 2353 01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:13,920 He wasn't delaying this. I don't, I don't think I agree 2354 01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,240 that he was delaying the signal. He started moving right away and 2355 01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,120 then he saw Sunfire and stop and backed. 2356 01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:20,600 Off right, exactly which I think he is. 2357 01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,400 He giving Aegon a chance to get killed on his own? 2358 01:50:23,480 --> 01:50:26,880 Absolutely. 100%. Yeah, 100%. 2359 01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,080 I don't see any other possible interpretation 'cause if he 2360 01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,000 wants to stop his brother from getting killed, he takes off 2361 01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:32,400 right away. He's like, oh, I better not let 2362 01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:35,000 this happen. So I don't think he's like, oh, 2363 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,560 I'll stand aside and let him have the glory, you know, I, I 2364 01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,360 don't think that's it, you know? There is another possibility, 2365 01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,560 but if he takes off immediately, Rainey's might have just left. 2366 01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:46,120 If she immediately saw two Dragons are coming for her, she 2367 01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:47,600 might have left. He wanted to make. 2368 01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,560 Sure to get Rainey's he wanted to make sure, so he's got to get 2369 01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:52,560 her engaged first. Aegon might die. 2370 01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,440 Hey, that's his stupid fall. That's a very good point. 2371 01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:57,840 OK, yeah, she might leave. He doesn't know that she's 2372 01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,800 willing to stand fight like. As it turns out, that wasn't 2373 01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:02,600 something he could predict. Yeah, I think it's a little 2374 01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:04,440 bullshot. I think he went it's it's like, 2375 01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:06,760 you know, he's like, OK, the clearly the the best option for 2376 01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:11,160 me is either I get lucky and my stupid brother dies and I become 2377 01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:15,400 the king potentially, right, or he lures Braney's and gets her 2378 01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:17,960 locked in combat and then I take her like it's just it's clearly 2379 01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:19,840 the right choice for a few reasons. 2380 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:21,760 He's not he's willing to lose his brother. 2381 01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:26,040 In fact, may be happy and looking to lose his brother and 2382 01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:27,400 the. Only way it's not the right 2383 01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:29,720 choice is if he cared about saving his brother's life. 2384 01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:32,240 Yeah, a very good, very good breakdown there. 2385 01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:35,960 Aegon arrives at the battlefield. 2386 01:51:35,960 --> 01:51:38,160 He can see Melis in the distance, and he's. 2387 01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,320 You can't say he's not brave. That's why he's like so. 2388 01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:43,400 Scared though. He does look a little scared. 2389 01:51:43,400 --> 01:51:45,000 He does Look at that face. He does. 2390 01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:46,840 You're right. Yeah. 2391 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:52,320 He had liquid courage. And his lack of High Valyrian 2392 01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,640 arrives with him. It's it's funny how even his 2393 01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:56,240 dragon doesn't have a Valyrian name. 2394 01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:58,080 And there's Melis and Veigar and. 2395 01:51:58,360 --> 01:51:59,840 And Sunfire. Sunfire. 2396 01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:01,880 There's another Spanglish ass name, right? 2397 01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:04,560 Like. To be fair, Aymond and Rainies 2398 01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:07,080 didn't name Malieson Vegar, but still, the point stands. 2399 01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:10,840 So yeah, they're giving these cool, sexy commands like Ungos, 2400 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:14,560 Malieson, you know, Umbas, Veigar, you know what? 2401 01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:17,400 They're rolling Rs and their cool, sexy accent. 2402 01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:20,760 He's like forward Sunfire faster. 2403 01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:24,400 I love the consistency there and then. 2404 01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,400 And then he's just like, it's how he responds to everything. 2405 01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:30,160 He just wants to run straight at it and smash it. 2406 01:52:30,440 --> 01:52:32,400 That's how he responds to problems and things he doesn't 2407 01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,320 like or disagrees with. But he just. 2408 01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:36,320 And this is the one Valyrian command. 2409 01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:39,760 He knows Drakaris, but he does it too soon. 2410 01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:45,040 He unleashes a gout of flame too soon, like I said, and Meilies 2411 01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:49,160 dives below it. And then when the flame clears 2412 01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,880 up, he's like, where'd she go? That's why you don't do that. 2413 01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:54,760 That's why you don't just run right at it and shoot flame. 2414 01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,520 Because they'll just, they now know you can't see them and 2415 01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,720 they'll take advantage of that. So it's unclear whether Rainey's 2416 01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:05,160 immediately took advantage of that, steered the dragon below 2417 01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:08,800 the flame and then came around and into his blind spot to to 2418 01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:11,960 attack from below 'cause he's like looking around afterwards 2419 01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:14,520 and he's like, you know, and she comes right in the one spot he's 2420 01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:16,920 not looking. So I feel like this is basic 2421 01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:21,800 dragon rider maneuvering and she knows he's got no experience. 2422 01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:25,760 Now book Rainey's doesn't actually have any battle 2423 01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:30,280 experience, Meili's does. So maybe show Rainey's actually 2424 01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:33,160 does have some battle experience 'cause she looks like she knew 2425 01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:37,880 what she was doing and had a plan and and choices that she 2426 01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,360 had made ahead of time, moral choices about who to kill and 2427 01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:43,680 what to do and what she was willing to do and et cetera. 2428 01:53:44,240 --> 01:53:47,160 I imagine she, like Amon and some of the other characters, 2429 01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:50,480 even if they don't have actual experience, still read the 2430 01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:53,240 books, made the studies, paid attention to their teachers. 2431 01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:55,640 Aegon did not right? And she might have got probably 2432 01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,440 not against another dragon, but some experience. 2433 01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:00,960 Maybe on the patrolling the blockade there, there might have 2434 01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,680 been some moments where arrows were fired or she's kind of burn 2435 01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:07,800 a sure a ship or something. I can see some some sort of 2436 01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:09,960 experience coming there. Yeah, this is almost certainly 2437 01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:14,000 the first sort of action egg on a scene at all, right? 2438 01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:16,240 Like on by contrast. So, yeah, I, I totally agree 2439 01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,840 with you there. And also she's not drunk, so. 2440 01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:23,080 But I think just letting her Dragon's instincts take over 2441 01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:25,520 might be a big part of it here. The dragon knows like it's these 2442 01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:28,040 are animals that live in the skies. 2443 01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:30,640 They have a better sense of the 3D environment that they're in 2444 01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:33,360 than a than a human does. So yeah, attack better than 2445 01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,400 fire. Yes, yes. 2446 01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:36,040 Right. Yeah. 2447 01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:38,280 Let it do it. Make its own choices rather than 2448 01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:42,360 just shoot flames straight ahead, you know, which it can go 2449 01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:44,880 in any direction to avoid that Up, down, left, right. 2450 01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:46,560 You know, it's really not a good idea. 2451 01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:47,840 Again. But again, though, that's not 2452 01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:49,800 just his experience. He's afraid, right? 2453 01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:52,920 Like you said, he's forced himself to be there because he 2454 01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,480 thinks he should be, not because it's a good idea. 2455 01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:58,600 And he's just. Yeah, I I agree with you, Shay. 2456 01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:00,200 It's like, and I agree with you too, Sean. 2457 01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:02,880 Like, he's a horrible rapist, but I still feel bad for him, 2458 01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:05,600 you know? I'm with you there. 2459 01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:07,800 I think some people might call me like an apologist or 2460 01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:11,280 whatever, but I do think like he was a young boy raised in a 2461 01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:15,440 certain type of culture. And yeah, I, I, I don't think 2462 01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:17,200 he's a good guy. I don't think any of these 2463 01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:19,360 people are frankly good. I don't think Rainey's is that 2464 01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,520 good either. I think she just killed a whole 2465 01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,640 bunch of people, right? Yeah, she may be better, but 2466 01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:25,320 that doesn't make. Her kill, like she's not raping 2467 01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:28,440 people, but I still think she still kills people. 2468 01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:31,400 So like, I don't, I don't know, like what your morals are, 2469 01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:34,480 whatever. But like he was a young boy and 2470 01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,520 taught that it was he was able to do whatever he wanted. 2471 01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:41,240 So like, I do feel for him and that he was raised a certain 2472 01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,200 kind of way and was made that way. 2473 01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:46,120 I don't think that Aegon was born evil and bad, you know, 2474 01:55:46,120 --> 01:55:47,760 like so that's where I feel for him. 2475 01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,560 And he does still have a close connection with a creature, 2476 01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:54,320 which I think any all, all of us humans find that to be something 2477 01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:58,040 that makes our heart hurt when we see like this animal human 2478 01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:01,280 connection and we see that like split and we see their 2479 01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:03,720 commitment to one another and it really hits US hard. 2480 01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:05,840 And it worked for me. Yeah, yeah. 2481 01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,400 I mean, you feel bad for the Dragons, Yeah. 2482 01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:10,720 I, I, I want it. Part of me wants to feel bad for 2483 01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:12,680 him, but you know, part of me does a little bit. 2484 01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:14,800 But keep in mind, he's not just a rapist. 2485 01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,640 He also just hung all those rat catchers, right? 2486 01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,680 He's a murderer. He's he's so irresponsible, so 2487 01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:23,800 many ways and a lot of it, maybe you can chalk it up to, you 2488 01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:26,840 know, his, his poor upbringing. Maybe he wasn't born evil, but 2489 01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:29,440 Eamon isn't doing that stuff. Helena's not doing that stuff. 2490 01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:31,080 None of those kids got a good upbringing. 2491 01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:34,160 Well, to be fair, Helena was not I, I don't, I don't think it's 2492 01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,600 fair to to make the male female dichotomy here 'cause men in 2493 01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,680 Westeros are taught to be violent and aggressive, women 2494 01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:43,320 are taught to be the opposite. So it's specifically not her 2495 01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:45,240 upbringing because her she was taught the opposite. 2496 01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:48,240 Maybe she's a bad example, but there's still Amon is still 2497 01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:48,680 there. He. 2498 01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,640 Has all sorts of other problems. Amon's more likely to reach to 2499 01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:54,400 kill someone right? Like and maybe more more likely 2500 01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:56,320 than Aegon, but as likely as Aegon. 2501 01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:00,080 But what I'll follow up was saying is I do feel bad for the 2502 01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,360 Dragons. I don't care if you're a kind, 2503 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,560 noble, generous person or an evil, murderous rapist. 2504 01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,960 If you capture a tiger and make it fight another tiger, I feel 2505 01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:11,520 bad for the tigers. Yeah, that's on. 2506 01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:13,240 That's not on the tiger. That's on the humans. 2507 01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:14,600 Absolutely. That's the humans, yeah. 2508 01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:17,240 Oh, a person is probably not capturing tigers and make them 2509 01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:19,040 fight each other either so. Probably not. 2510 01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:21,000 I feel bad. For these Dragons that are being 2511 01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:26,560 forced into killing each other because of these selfish, 2512 01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:29,600 greedy, immoral whatever dragon riders. 2513 01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:32,880 Yeah, absolutely. So another thing to keep in mind 2514 01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:36,160 here is that even with the commands that they're issuing, 2515 01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:38,720 Ongo, Strakaris, etcetera, they can't be too precise. 2516 01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:40,960 Like when you say attack to a dragon, you're not. 2517 01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:45,680 How does it know if there's like in the case of Veigar, which 2518 01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:49,160 dragon is he attacking? When you say like attack that 2519 01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:51,120 one, he can't tell him which dragon to attack. 2520 01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:54,120 You say attack in a direction that it's already pointed and it 2521 01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:55,400 attacks the thing that it's seeing. 2522 01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:58,320 If there's two Dragons, which dragon will attack will attack 2523 01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:00,760 them both. So that's just something to keep 2524 01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:03,240 in mind here. So when he's he's looking around 2525 01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:08,520 for Meili's Sunfire is and emerges from behind and grabs on 2526 01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:11,920 and and it's brutal. The damage they do to each 2527 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,680 other, the ripping of flesh and screaming and bellowing. 2528 01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:17,160 In these moments, the riders become almost irrelevant. 2529 01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:19,000 Can you imagine a command being issued at this point? 2530 01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:20,360 What would it do? Like the Dragons are stuck 2531 01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:22,120 together because they might not even be able to hear it. 2532 01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:24,240 So sunfire almost hits the ground. 2533 01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:27,240 You can see the power of their wings is creates a rush on the 2534 01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:31,200 ground and the acidic black blood falls from these huge 2535 01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:34,920 gaping wounds from Malice's talons and burns a soldier. 2536 01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:35,800 It's. Terrifying. 2537 01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:38,480 Boiling blood even, right? Yeah, it's hot, boiling, acidic 2538 01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:41,160 blood. 200°, yeah. Yeah, that dude's screwed. 2539 01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:45,360 So they re engage, though malice attacks again, clearly superior 2540 01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:47,400 to Sunfire. Again, not trying to burn the 2541 01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:50,480 rider off the back, trying to kill the dragon, very crucial 2542 01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:53,320 here. And as they're still locked in, 2543 01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:58,640 where Sunfire is clearly losing badly, Aegon sees Vagar approach 2544 01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:00,840 and thinks he's been saved. It's this great ominous moment 2545 01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:03,280 that they've done with Vagar a few times where she slowly 2546 01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:06,680 emerges above whatever she's behind, whether it's Storm's End 2547 01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:09,760 or a cloud or the tree line here. 2548 01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:13,480 And he's like, oh, I've been saved, thank the gods. 2549 01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:17,640 And but then there's the slow build of Vegar's open maw and 2550 01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:20,800 the flames billowing inside. He realizes, uh oh. 2551 01:59:21,720 --> 01:59:23,040 And he screams. He's like, no. 2552 01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:25,440 And you can see that Ashay has this moment print perfectly 2553 01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:28,280 captured when he's screaming. So Eamon can't be precise here, 2554 01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:30,960 but he's clearly not worried about what happens with, like, 2555 01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:35,080 whatever happens, happens, bro. You know, like, I got to get 2556 01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:36,800 this. I got to get Rainey's here, you 2557 01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:39,920 know? Now Rainey Melis is older so her 2558 01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,640 scales are more impervious to flames, so maybe they took an 2559 01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:46,560 equal brunt of it and it just she just came off easier because 2560 01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:49,680 she's more resistant to it. Yeah, I would think she's more 2561 01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:52,600 resistant, and I would say that obviously Veigar's flame is 2562 01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:54,360 hotter than the hottest of the dragon. 2563 01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:57,920 Flame, yeah. And probably has the longest 2564 01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,640 range too. He can probably farther away and 2565 02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:02,720 hit. Like if they do do the head on 2566 02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:05,600 rush, Veigar is gonna win that because the blast will get there 2567 02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:06,720 first. Probably they won't do that 2568 02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:08,240 'cause they're smart enough, like you said, to dive 2569 02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:10,520 underneath or whatever. Yeah, one other. 2570 02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,800 No, I want to make it. If you were going to defend Amon 2571 02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:17,840 here is it. Aegon might just be dead either 2572 02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:21,520 way right? Like the if he just ignores this 2573 02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:25,120 and lets him just keep falling, Aegon might just be dead anyway, 2574 02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:28,400 so he might as well take out Rainey's and Melee's while he 2575 02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,280 can. And if that kills my brother 2576 02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:32,400 too, Oh well. But he's dead anyway. 2577 02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:34,480 That's kind of the point I was making with the precision of 2578 02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:36,360 commands. If he just says attack, what 2579 02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:37,680 does Veigar do? Does he attack? 2580 02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:40,320 How does he know who who Veigar's going to attack there? 2581 02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:41,880 There's two Dragons balled together. 2582 02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:44,480 Like how does Veigar know which one is friend and which one is 2583 02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:45,440 foe? She doesn't I. 2584 02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:49,200 I have a, a sort of a counterpoint to that cause they 2585 02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:52,360 have some sort of psychological bond and I don't know if it's 2586 02:00:52,360 --> 02:00:55,880 purely a word that said that they understand and follow. 2587 02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:58,040 I think there's some amount of emotional connection there. 2588 02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:00,320 Martin in this world has been very vague with it. 2589 02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:06,000 But remember when Emma died in season one and they had the 2590 02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:11,400 funeral and was it Cyrax burned the pyre? 2591 02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:13,560 But there was this people all over that's. 2592 02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:17,080 A good ceremony. And, and Renera was like 2593 02:01:17,080 --> 02:01:19,840 Dracaris and it walked over and burned just the pyre. 2594 02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:22,040 So it's some understanding of the command. 2595 02:01:22,040 --> 02:01:24,800 Maybe that's like our traditional routine had gone 2596 02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:27,000 through before that Cyrax somehow knew. 2597 02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:28,680 But how many times could that have happened? 2598 02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:31,360 I don't know how many Targaryens die so. 2599 02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:34,880 It's definitely a Gray area as to what the where the precision 2600 02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:35,880 the line lies. Yeah. 2601 02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:40,320 Even if Veigar did exactly specifically understand attack 2602 02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:44,440 Meilees, he is not able to. They're all intertwined, staying 2603 02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:46,240 around and fallen. So yeah. 2604 02:01:46,280 --> 02:01:50,280 Yeah, good point. So Sunfire gets the worst of it 2605 02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:54,080 whether or not the our bit about flames and resistance to the 2606 02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:55,960 flames is accurate. Think it probably is. 2607 02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,680 Either way, Sunfire's wings are burning, can't stay aloft, 2608 02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:02,600 plunges to the earth into the tree line, crashes down. 2609 02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:06,000 It's basically it's kind of an explosion, which says to me, and 2610 02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:08,320 when same thing happens to melees, it says to me that 2611 02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:10,920 there's fire like combusting inside them, getting ready to be 2612 02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:13,960 unleashed and when they. I also thought that there was 2613 02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:18,760 some sort of internal interaction of gases that got 2614 02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:20,560 released. That's how I see it. 2615 02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:25,240 But when they fall and it's all pushed out of their ripped neck 2616 02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:28,280 and their mouth and. So, so I think what I think is 2617 02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:30,800 happening is like you're like you're saying the flames were 2618 02:02:30,920 --> 02:02:32,120 already, some of the flames were already there. 2619 02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:34,440 But what I think is happening is the oxygen is what causes the 2620 02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:35,720 flames to burst in the 1st place. 2621 02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:39,240 There's some sort of chemical composition inside them that 2622 02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:41,800 when it meets oxygen, that's what causes the combustion 2623 02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:43,680 because fire is fueled by oxygen in the 1st place. 2624 02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:46,720 So that hey, we don't have to try to explain fantasy dragon 2625 02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:48,320 fire. But that's, that's how I attempt 2626 02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,600 to explain it anyway. It's not super important. 2627 02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:53,040 So Sunfire crashed into the trees. 2628 02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:55,320 Kristen Cole goes running in that direction. 2629 02:02:55,320 --> 02:02:57,840 Because remember, like I said, he has now become Lord Commander 2630 02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:01,120 of the Kingsguard again and is no longer thinking about the 2631 02:03:01,120 --> 02:03:03,800 battle all that much. He's kind of stopped paying 2632 02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:05,840 attention to it. He's just really concerned about 2633 02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:08,240 Aegon. I I want to make a point though, 2634 02:03:08,240 --> 02:03:10,160 but before that moment I think you're right. 2635 02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:13,720 He he has realized I got to protect Aegon, but he didn't 2636 02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:16,560 abandoned everything else because first he did make this 2637 02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:20,000 impassioned speech. He called all the troops forward 2638 02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:22,880 like your king is here, the seven are with us. 2639 02:03:23,160 --> 02:03:27,880 Everyone advanced it like changed the strategy and and he 2640 02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:30,680 kind of wanted to put everyone into motion maybe so that he 2641 02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:34,120 could then leave that leadership role and go find Aegon. 2642 02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:37,240 And also maybe on some level to protect Aegon because the 2643 02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:39,960 Dragons got it. If then some level they're there 2644 02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:41,480 to. More distraction. 2645 02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:43,080 Battle. They got to pay attention to the 2646 02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:45,040 soldiers in the castle, not just the dragon and da da da. 2647 02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:47,960 But I, I want to give him some credit as a leader. 2648 02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:50,800 Admittedly, I'm a Cole apologist. 2649 02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:53,600 You're, I'm on your side here, Cole. 2650 02:03:54,280 --> 02:03:56,000 I mean, I'm not defending his, I'm never defending his 2651 02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:57,480 personality, but he had a good plan here. 2652 02:03:57,480 --> 02:03:59,880 It just got bollocksed up by his own king. 2653 02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:04,280 And I think that he did a good job in the heat of a awful 2654 02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:07,600 moment, juggling his different priorities and responsibilities. 2655 02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:10,200 I think he handled it all very well with an incredible. 2656 02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:12,600 Yeah, I'm not complaining that he switched from hand to Lord 2657 02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:14,560 Commander. It's just it's just clearly his 2658 02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:18,160 priority shifted when he realized his very drunk, very 2659 02:04:18,720 --> 02:04:22,640 silly minded King is is on is in the area and is that's that's 2660 02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:25,800 becomes the priority. And I agree his priority 2661 02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:27,880 shifted, but I just want to give him some credit for not 2662 02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:30,680 immediately abandoning one responsibility for the. 2663 02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:32,600 Well, to be fair, he couldn't have. 2664 02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:34,880 Like again, we pointed out, What could he have done? 2665 02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:36,760 Like Aegon's up in the air, What can he possibly do? 2666 02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:37,760 Anyway, right. Yeah. 2667 02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:40,600 So he crashed into the trees and he goes rushing towards that. 2668 02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:45,440 And in the meantime, Melis and Veigar come together. 2669 02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:49,120 And since Cole, like you said, he announced he makes the 2670 02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:50,960 charge, the impassioned speaks, yells at Van. 2671 02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:53,960 I love how he said it, Van. So it's really like, whoa, he 2672 02:04:53,960 --> 02:04:57,040 practiced that one technically. He comes to after Melees is 2673 02:04:57,080 --> 02:04:58,760 dead. Yeah, he wakes up, Yeah. 2674 02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:01,320 Because this battle knocks him unconscious and he wakes up. 2675 02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:04,920 He's like, Oh my God. So he everyone kind of stops to 2676 02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:07,000 watch. Like, no one's even battling 2677 02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:08,800 anymore. No troops are trying to reach 2678 02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:11,400 the castle wall anymore, as far as I can tell. 2679 02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:16,360 They've all kind of run back and other troops on the wall are 2680 02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:19,960 like transfixed by the Dragons. And since there's no troops the 2681 02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:22,160 the the assault on the castle has abated. 2682 02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:23,840 There's nothing for much for them to do. 2683 02:05:24,000 --> 02:05:25,880 They're the soldiers. There's not very many soldiers 2684 02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:28,920 in in bowshot anymore. Did you get the impression that 2685 02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:31,920 Eamon was looking for Aega? He was like, oh, obviously 2686 02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,640 Rainey's will immediately leave now that she's seen this. 2687 02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:37,840 And like any smart person would leave, right? 2688 02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:41,480 So he goes immediately to go look for Aegon, I think, to go 2689 02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:44,200 handle that loose end. And then he turns around and 2690 02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:47,440 he's like, what an idiot. He's like, she's coming back. 2691 02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:49,560 OK, I'll go do. This she was. 2692 02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:50,880 Yeah, I think you're right. I think that's a very good 2693 02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:52,960 point, a very good take. And then very likely because, 2694 02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:54,800 yeah, I think he's like, this is 'cause that was part of why he 2695 02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,640 was like, God, this is all being screwed up. 2696 02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:58,240 We're not going to get to kill her after all. 2697 02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:00,760 Yeah. And she does she like, it does 2698 02:06:00,760 --> 02:06:03,200 look like she's leaving and she kind of like breathes in. 2699 02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:04,720 She's like, Nope, I gotta go back. 2700 02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:08,280 She kind of has that like, you know, this is it kind of look 2701 02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:10,120 on. Her face and I think really 2702 02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:11,960 powerful. It was really powerful. 2703 02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:14,440 Yeah, I felt like one of the major factors there was she 2704 02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:18,440 realizes what a menace Aymond on Veigar is. 2705 02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:21,120 And she's like, if I have any chance at stopping this in its 2706 02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:24,480 tracks, I should sacrifice myself again. 2707 02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:26,160 I think like I mentioned earlier, I think she did the 2708 02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:30,800 calculus of seeing how it simplifies things for Corley's 2709 02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:35,080 mainly and hopefully clears the path for Rain era. 2710 02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:36,920 If Veigar and Amond are out of the way. 2711 02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:40,080 It's it's worth it to her right? Like I don't think it's stupid, 2712 02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:43,240 I think she knows she's very likely to die, but if she at 2713 02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:45,200 least takes out Veigar it's worth it. 2714 02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:47,240 Yeah, I totally agree. I don't think it's stupid at 2715 02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:48,600 all. I mean, like we said, like she 2716 02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:51,960 did have a chance to win there. It wasn't like a Fort was by no 2717 02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:56,120 means a foregone conclusion. She was the underdog, but by no 2718 02:06:56,120 --> 02:06:58,400 means like you said, it could have resulted in both Dragons 2719 02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,920 dying, which is not an uncommon result when two Dragons clash. 2720 02:07:00,920 --> 02:07:04,240 Like yeah, she could have. Even if she didn't kill Veigar, 2721 02:07:04,240 --> 02:07:07,960 she might have crippled Veigar. Yeah, even if she could just 2722 02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:11,320 take a wing out and he can't fly anymore, he can still be a 2723 02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:13,920 significant battlefield peace. But he has to walk there. 2724 02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:15,600 He can't just. Fly Veigar's a she? 2725 02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:18,880 Yeah. She sorry, Veigar can't just in 2726 02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:21,480 one day be anywhere in Westeros. Somos you? 2727 02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:23,400 Know that's a huge deal like. Slowly with the holes. 2728 02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:26,040 She really would just be stuck at King's land and guarding it 2729 02:07:26,040 --> 02:07:28,560 in that sense. But but that would be a very 2730 02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:31,640 effective deterrent, as it was when she had wings or had wings. 2731 02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:34,200 I mean, she does still have wings, but in this scenario 2732 02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:36,400 where she doesn't anyway. So yeah, everyone's like with 2733 02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:38,440 everyone stopping to watch, you get to see the great overhead 2734 02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:39,680 shot of the Dragons coming together. 2735 02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:44,080 So I think what happens here is Meili's slash Rainey's is 2736 02:07:44,080 --> 02:07:46,480 baiting Veigar into a headlong charge. 2737 02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:48,120 Like, I'm going to do this. And Veigar's like, all right, 2738 02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:49,400 we're going straight at each other. 2739 02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:51,560 And then she tries to dive below. 2740 02:07:52,080 --> 02:07:54,400 And what I think she's going to try to do is circle around and 2741 02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:58,120 attack before Veigar can turn, hoping that Veigar is going to 2742 02:07:58,120 --> 02:08:00,280 not be able to turn as quickly, which is a reasonable guess. 2743 02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:03,720 Veigar is going to turn slower, but it doesn't work. 2744 02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:09,720 It looks like Veigar either anticipates this or just Malee's 2745 02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:13,040 just doesn't realize how long Vegar's reaches like those claws 2746 02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:16,840 shoot way out and grab them from the BTS. 2747 02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:21,080 They say that they were they they were trying to emulate real 2748 02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:23,800 life birds of prey who when they fight, they look like this. 2749 02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:27,000 They lock their talons and do the circle of death, spiraling 2750 02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:29,600 down until it's almost like a game of chicken, which is 2751 02:08:29,600 --> 02:08:31,760 appropriate since chickens are birds, but. 2752 02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:33,640 They don't fly the game of. Eagle, yeah. 2753 02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:35,400 They don't fly very well, so the eagle's better. 2754 02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:39,400 And so that makes sense for the strategy for for Melees to take 2755 02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:41,000 to try to go. They they might, she might like, 2756 02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:44,320 oh, she's going to expect me to go high because that well, I can 2757 02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:46,840 come back down and get the rider and the rider's vulnerable. 2758 02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:49,240 So she's like, oh, I'll go under instead and they won't see that 2759 02:08:49,240 --> 02:08:51,000 coming. But I don't know, Veigar was 2760 02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:53,720 just old and wise or I'm not sure. 2761 02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:56,920 It just didn't work either way. So they locked talons. 2762 02:08:56,920 --> 02:09:01,640 Melees gets the worst of it being smaller, but she gets in a 2763 02:09:01,640 --> 02:09:04,760 few good licks there, like the flames are going back and forth 2764 02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:07,200 and neither one is doing a whole lot of damage with the fire 2765 02:09:07,200 --> 02:09:10,320 things. But the the ripping of the neck 2766 02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:13,600 and the tearing of the belly happens, and Veigar is clearly 2767 02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:16,520 severely wounded, but not enough to stop flying or anything like 2768 02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:18,800 that. So they almost hit the ground. 2769 02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:22,200 Malice's greater maneuverability seems to come up big here, and 2770 02:09:22,200 --> 02:09:25,520 she's able to, like, pull up right at that moment, 2771 02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:28,680 appropriate moment in the spiral that causes Veigar to come 2772 02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:33,120 crashing down, hits the ground. The piece of luck for Veigar and 2773 02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:37,320 Amond is that it kicks up an enormous dust cloud, which is 2774 02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:38,720 that's not luck. That's going to happen no matter 2775 02:09:38,720 --> 02:09:40,320 what. That's been well established. 2776 02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:44,680 But she's facing the Cliff face, so that's why she just 2777 02:09:44,680 --> 02:09:47,400 immediately starts running. And of course, we get this in a 2778 02:09:47,400 --> 02:09:49,400 very interesting piece of filmmaking with Kristen Cole 2779 02:09:49,400 --> 02:09:52,040 getting knocked unconscious. It's black for a second. 2780 02:09:52,080 --> 02:09:57,800 He wakes up and it's slo MO Veigar stomping, crushes a few 2781 02:09:57,800 --> 02:09:59,960 soldiers, maybe a little bit of a call back to Korax. 2782 02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,800 He's crushing one of Damon's own men back in episode 3 season 2783 02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:04,240 one. It's like, oh, you thought that 2784 02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:08,000 was a big a big dragon? Foot, there's two people crushed 2785 02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,840 under this foot and you definitely could have fit 2786 02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:14,840 another couple under that. And so that's why she's able to 2787 02:10:14,840 --> 02:10:17,520 get aloft again so quickly, which Rainey's was not expecting 2788 02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:19,960 because she's she just jumps right off that Cliff face. 2789 02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:22,880 She runs towards the Cliff face, dives off of it, which is more 2790 02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:26,760 than enough to get aloft again. And then she stays below the 2791 02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:30,280 Cliff face out of sight. And that's when Rainey's is 2792 02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:33,080 searching around and looking. And then yeah, it's it's maybe 2793 02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:35,160 slightly contrived. It's a little perfect, but I 2794 02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:39,600 don't I buy it because of she can't see beyond the Cliff face. 2795 02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:41,280 She can't see down there, Amon and. 2796 02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:45,120 Veigar have one move and it's the surprise, surprise. 2797 02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:49,360 The giant surprise, Yeah. By the way, take note of the I 2798 02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:52,440 switched my posters out. I've got the Crouching Tiger 2799 02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:54,320 Hidden Dragon. Hidden dragon? 2800 02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:57,600 You even talked about a tiger today too though. 2801 02:10:58,320 --> 02:10:59,600 That's right. And you did, you know, you're, 2802 02:10:59,680 --> 02:11:01,600 you're covering all your bases Next you got to mention a Jimi 2803 02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:03,640 Hendrix somehow 'cause that's the other poster we have like, I 2804 02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:05,920 don't know how Jimi Hendrix fits into this conversation, but 2805 02:11:06,240 --> 02:11:07,640 you're up to the challenge, Sean. 2806 02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:09,840 So these. Dragons were kissing the sky. 2807 02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:12,520 Hey, you did it. That took you 2 seconds. 2808 02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:17,360 So she's, she comes shortly after she's searching around. 2809 02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:19,320 Veigar emerges. It's it's pretty clever, pretty 2810 02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:21,120 good ambush. You know, I'm, I'm cool with it. 2811 02:11:21,120 --> 02:11:22,640 Like I said, I think it works pretty well. 2812 02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:25,720 Vicious, just brutal. Like, Oh no. 2813 02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:29,200 And then the way she's got her jaws clamped on Melisse's neck 2814 02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:31,360 and the light slowly goes out of her eyes. 2815 02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:34,680 It's just heartbreaking. Great way to show the Dragon's 2816 02:11:34,680 --> 02:11:37,160 last moments. Just like, And then Rainy's just 2817 02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:43,200 gives herself up to the void. Let's go and falls and crashes 2818 02:11:43,200 --> 02:11:45,000 upside down. It's pretty clear that she's 2819 02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:46,400 gone. She was under it. 2820 02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:49,880 I appreciated that she attached herself. 2821 02:11:49,880 --> 02:11:51,960 She latched herself to melee, she said. 2822 02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:54,400 You know she was like, I'm going to be with my dragon until the 2823 02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:56,640 very end, right? Yeah, I thought that was 2824 02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:57,920 indicative. Yeah. 2825 02:11:57,920 --> 02:11:59,680 She's all in on this. Yeah. 2826 02:12:00,600 --> 02:12:02,880 And I was more sad watching it the second time because the 2827 02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:07,240 first time, it's so much to take in, like just the visual 2828 02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:10,320 spectacle of it all. Just, you know, my mind often 2829 02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:12,640 thinks about like the the filmmaking efforts to make all 2830 02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:16,480 this happen and, you know, the implications of this battle and 2831 02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:19,160 on and on and on. But then the second time I was 2832 02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:22,000 like, oh, I kind of like realized that she was like 2833 02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:27,680 looking back, that maybe she was looking back at Rainey's and as 2834 02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:32,880 she's dying her neck and oh man, I just, it was so sad. 2835 02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:35,720 Peter H Clock says why couldn't Rainey's and Maley's die 2836 02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:38,200 heroically defending the castle instead of implausibly not 2837 02:12:38,200 --> 02:12:41,360 noticing Veigar can drive. Contrived deaths are for GOT 2838 02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:43,040 season sport. I'm sorry Peter, I just don't 2839 02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:46,040 agree with you there she was. She did die heroically defending 2840 02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:49,600 the castle and she and I do not think that was contrived. 2841 02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,680 I think that maybe it was lucky that Veigar was coming back up 2842 02:12:54,680 --> 02:12:57,680 around the Cliff or waiting for that, but contrived Nah Nah. 2843 02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:01,320 Peter Edquac added another super chat and said there's no reason 2844 02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:03,880 not to check that Veigar's dead. That's exactly what she was 2845 02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:04,200 doing. She. 2846 02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:06,280 Was trying to scout. She's trying to look around. 2847 02:13:06,280 --> 02:13:09,800 I, I don't, you know, I don't know that there was a better 2848 02:13:09,800 --> 02:13:13,200 strategy she could have done here, you know what I mean? 2849 02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:15,480 Like I don't know that there's a place she could have gone to to 2850 02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:17,400 find Veigar without Veigar finding her. 2851 02:13:17,800 --> 02:13:18,920 But she was definitely looking for him. 2852 02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:20,720 They show her scanning the ground. 2853 02:13:20,840 --> 02:13:23,160 They show her looking at the ground, like looking, she sees 2854 02:13:23,160 --> 02:13:25,920 the impact site. Yeah, she's looking everywhere. 2855 02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:27,800 She's looking at the impact site, looking around. 2856 02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:30,480 And she doesn't, I guess, doesn't consider that he could 2857 02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:32,600 have jumped off like could have taken off off the Cliff and come 2858 02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:35,080 back around that way. She she might have even 2859 02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:37,440 considered that here. Here's a couple thoughts I have. 2860 02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:41,800 Is it 1 quote UN quote? Smarter things she could have 2861 02:13:41,800 --> 02:13:44,800 done was not have been so low to the ground when she crossed 2862 02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:46,520 over. Oh yeah, I do agree with that, 2863 02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:48,840 yes. However, the reason she was so 2864 02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:50,960 low to the ground because she was checking to see if Veigar 2865 02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:52,720 was dead. She had to be low enough to see 2866 02:13:52,720 --> 02:13:56,840 him on the ground. And even when she did cross over 2867 02:13:57,080 --> 02:14:01,440 the the castle in a Cliff, he could have been 100 yards left 2868 02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:02,440 or right. You didn't. 2869 02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:05,080 She didn't expect him yet. Now maybe that was lucky or 2870 02:14:05,080 --> 02:14:07,840 contrived for Veigar to have come up right there, but it's 2871 02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:13,400 also possible that Veigar farther out saw like got got got 2872 02:14:13,400 --> 02:14:17,360 over the Cliff, was turning, and could see the trajectory that 2873 02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:22,080 Rainey's was on dipped back down below out of her sight and timed 2874 02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:25,480 it to come up as she crossed. Over that is one guy definitely 2875 02:14:25,480 --> 02:14:28,720 considered that same exact idea and I think it's very plausible. 2876 02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:30,720 So there's a multiple explanations here. 2877 02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:33,680 We don't necessarily know which one is right, but with multiple 2878 02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:36,240 explanations, I just don't see how we can call it contrived. 2879 02:14:36,240 --> 02:14:39,000 Maybe a little, maybe a little implausible, but what do we know 2880 02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:41,320 about dragon warfare and aerial combat anyway? 2881 02:14:41,320 --> 02:14:42,920 None of us really know what we're talking about here. 2882 02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:44,960 Yeah, Here's something that we like to say on our show 2883 02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:47,760 sometimes, which is when you're trying to think about what 2884 02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,160 everything is a plot hole, whether it's contrived. 2885 02:14:50,160 --> 02:14:53,840 Can you take a moment and think about an explanation for how 2886 02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,880 that could have happened? If you can think of one, maybe, 2887 02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:59,880 maybe there's more than one even, right? 2888 02:14:59,880 --> 02:15:03,240 Like I I just I encourage everyone, anytime you think 2889 02:15:03,240 --> 02:15:06,360 something is a plot hole, you might just not like it. 2890 02:15:06,640 --> 02:15:09,560 If you actually think about it for a beat, you probably can 2891 02:15:09,560 --> 02:15:12,600 think of some explanations. Well said and you're right. 2892 02:15:12,600 --> 02:15:16,360 And to add to that, not liking it is 100% valid. 2893 02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:20,440 You don't need any reason. No one ever needs to defend 2894 02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:22,360 their choice not to like something. 2895 02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:24,720 Just say I don't like it, period. 2896 02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:28,280 You, not you, can explain why, but it is not necessary. 2897 02:15:28,280 --> 02:15:31,320 Your opinion is valid about whether you like something, 2898 02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:34,840 whether you give reasons or one reason. 100 reasons or zero 2899 02:15:34,840 --> 02:15:38,120 reasons? Another sometimes I'm able to, I 2900 02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:40,560 don't know, justify a plot hole if you will. 2901 02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:44,520 When I think about the idea of this is what they needed to 2902 02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:49,080 happen and the way they did it might have had some flaw that 2903 02:15:49,080 --> 02:15:51,800 bothers me. But is there some other way it 2904 02:15:51,800 --> 02:15:54,920 could have happened? Especially if that other way 2905 02:15:55,400 --> 02:15:58,080 would have cost more money or taken more time, right? 2906 02:15:58,160 --> 02:16:00,000 Like I could see why they did it this way. 2907 02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:03,400 Like sure, maybe she could have flown over and he dives up and 2908 02:16:03,400 --> 02:16:06,120 misses and so then they wrap up in the sky and they fall and 2909 02:16:06,120 --> 02:16:08,720 they shoot flames and you spend 7 more minutes to drag a battle. 2910 02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:11,400 But I think that makes the whole thing less exciting if you keep 2911 02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:14,400 dragging it on. Veigar needs to win. 2912 02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:17,480 Veigar won. Rainey's put up a good fight. 2913 02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:19,400 Etcetera. And Veigar winning is, of 2914 02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:22,960 course, the basic idea of Veigar winning is more than plausible, 2915 02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:27,240 you know, just in general, you know, anyway, aftermath, it's 2916 02:16:27,240 --> 02:16:29,720 kind of brief. And I think that's on purpose 2917 02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:33,040 because they wanted to really focus on the tragedy and the 2918 02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:36,440 fact that we are now in a world of dragon warfare, no longer a 2919 02:16:36,440 --> 02:16:38,600 world of human warfare. So I think it was pretty clever 2920 02:16:38,760 --> 02:16:42,639 to focus on Kristen Cole, the most important war leader in 2921 02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:47,280 this entire war, who isn't a dragon rider, right? 2922 02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:49,920 He is the number one war leader that doesn't ride a dragon. 2923 02:16:50,400 --> 02:16:53,040 He's arguably the number one war leader even among the dragon 2924 02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:55,879 riders because he's also handed the king right? 2925 02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:57,559 Like he's also. Sure, he has a. 2926 02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:01,040 Lot of other roles. Like, yeah, so it's a huge 2927 02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:03,440 parallel to the other Queen Rainey's. 2928 02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:06,840 So the the rather than the Queen who never was the actual Queen 2929 02:17:06,840 --> 02:17:10,000 who was Rainey's on Meraxes. Even a similar name, Dragon 2930 02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:14,920 Rainey's on Meraxes we. Saw it in this episode perhaps, 2931 02:17:14,920 --> 02:17:17,120 it seems. Yeah, that may, that might have 2932 02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:18,840 been why they showed Miraxis you're. 2933 02:17:18,959 --> 02:17:22,520 That's a very good point. And when Miraxis died with a 2934 02:17:22,520 --> 02:17:26,600 bolt through the eye, like we said, she fell on the hellhole 2935 02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:29,360 and broke its wall open, which is exactly what happens here. 2936 02:17:29,719 --> 02:17:33,040 So in Kristen Cole's case, he's unconscious when the wall 2937 02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:34,320 breaks. He was knocked out by the 2938 02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,480 concussion of Veigar hitting the ground, only wakes up after 2939 02:17:37,480 --> 02:17:41,040 Miraxis hits the ground. But when he wakes up, you can 2940 02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,320 hear that Gwane Hightower is taking charge. 2941 02:17:44,200 --> 02:17:46,480 You could he he he's ordering troops in the background. 2942 02:17:46,480 --> 02:17:48,440 He says in with me into the breach. 2943 02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:49,879 You can hear him give that order. 2944 02:17:50,320 --> 02:17:52,520 And I'm pretty sure there's some deleted scenes here because when 2945 02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:56,040 we watch the BTS, there's they are filming Gwane Hightower like 2946 02:17:56,040 --> 02:17:58,040 on his horse charging in that direction. 2947 02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:01,480 And we saw none of that. So be on the lookout for those 2948 02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:03,200 in the future because oh. Can you point out what you 2949 02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:04,840 noticed on Gwane and the other shot? 2950 02:18:04,920 --> 02:18:07,680 Oh yeah. Awesome little detail on Gwain 2951 02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:11,240 when he's arguing with Kristen Cole about plan. 2952 02:18:11,559 --> 02:18:15,240 He's not wearing his armor yet, and he's got a couple of 2953 02:18:15,240 --> 02:18:17,360 necklaces. One's a ring, which could mean 2954 02:18:17,360 --> 02:18:18,639 anything. It could be a wedding band, 2955 02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:20,959 maybe. But he's also got a Little Axe, 2956 02:18:21,320 --> 02:18:22,559 which is the sign of the warrior. 2957 02:18:23,320 --> 02:18:24,959 That is the end all symbol of the warrior. 2958 02:18:24,959 --> 02:18:26,959 So that's pretty cool. Nice little detail. 2959 02:18:26,959 --> 02:18:28,600 Love those little details, y'all. 2960 02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:33,000 So, and of course, as we said about the fire thing, there's so 2961 02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:35,120 much fire after Mellie's crashes into the ground. 2962 02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:39,200 It's a pretty substantial amount there, quite a bit all over. 2963 02:18:39,879 --> 02:18:46,120 So more importantly than Glenn Hightower's initiative to lead 2964 02:18:46,120 --> 02:18:48,080 the troops through the wall is Christian Colt's reaction. 2965 02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:50,600 And we follow him throughout this whole aftermath. 2966 02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:53,879 It's there's smoke and it's hard to see everything. 2967 02:18:53,879 --> 02:18:56,480 He's disoriented. He's like breathing heavily. 2968 02:18:56,480 --> 02:19:00,760 I, I think this is his best episode as an actor. 2969 02:19:00,760 --> 02:19:04,080 Like he's full of range, his darkness, his concern for his 2970 02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:05,840 king and his just reaction to the battle. 2971 02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:08,959 And this is just physical like, and the way you said he carries 2972 02:19:08,959 --> 02:19:12,200 himself in armor, like no wonder they cast this guy and he has a 2973 02:19:12,200 --> 02:19:13,559 little. Bit of a smugness to him when 2974 02:19:13,559 --> 02:19:15,360 he's talking to Gwane. And he's like, I do have a 2975 02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:18,200 point, you know, like he has a little bit of a of a humor and, 2976 02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:21,719 yeah, a little an element. He, we often don't see for him 2977 02:19:21,719 --> 02:19:23,920 because he often is lesser to other people, not really 2978 02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:25,840 superior to them. That's a great point. 2979 02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:27,160 Yeah. He really, he really shined in 2980 02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:29,080 this one. I've really like, you know, you 2981 02:19:29,080 --> 02:19:30,520 and me. I've argued about Kristen Cole 2982 02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:33,719 before, Sean, but I've never, I would never argue about Fabian 2983 02:19:33,719 --> 02:19:37,120 Frankel. Yeah, I was going to say, let's 2984 02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:41,160 not forget how handsome it is. That's another thing they 2985 02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:43,959 decided to keep true from the books, you know, Of course they. 2986 02:19:43,959 --> 02:19:45,000 Always. What about this guy? 2987 02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:49,120 Really handsome too, huh? Oh, man, So wow, this was crazy. 2988 02:19:49,160 --> 02:19:51,480 So yeah, it is, like I said, it is symbolic to his his 2989 02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:54,560 disorientation is mixed with this determination, but also 2990 02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:57,040 helplessness. He wakes up into a new world, 2991 02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:59,080 like he's unconscious. When he wakes up, it's it's a 2992 02:19:59,720 --> 02:20:01,720 everything has changed. It wasn't what he thought it 2993 02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:02,760 would be. Like I said, this is an 2994 02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:06,280 experienced warrior. That has had to deal with a lot. 2995 02:20:06,280 --> 02:20:08,720 He's not only deal dealt with battle, but he's had to deal 2996 02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:11,640 with insubordination based on his birth and ethnicity. 2997 02:20:11,640 --> 02:20:14,160 Like he's had to face that he's dealing with a royal family 2998 02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:17,360 that's highly dysfunctional. That dysfunction ruined his plan 2999 02:20:17,360 --> 02:20:20,360 here, like directly. And now he's going to look bad 3000 02:20:20,360 --> 02:20:22,160 for it. You know, in some ways it won't 3001 02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:23,760 be all his fault, but it's not going to look good. 3002 02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:26,120 This, this completely incinerated Bannerbearer guy 3003 02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:27,560 that Shay had on the screen a minute ago. 3004 02:20:27,560 --> 02:20:30,240 Like whoa. Like that hits him hard. 3005 02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:32,200 Like that's not something he could have ever seen on a 3006 02:20:32,200 --> 02:20:34,360 battlefield before. He couldn't have fathomed that 3007 02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:37,760 was even possible. I want to say a couple things 3008 02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:41,880 here. That scene actually bothered me 3009 02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:45,560 a little bit more than the contriveness or whatever, or 3010 02:20:45,560 --> 02:20:47,640 Veigar coming up and catching Meili's. 3011 02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:52,680 And again, I'm nitpicking here, but that guy's body, like the 3012 02:20:52,680 --> 02:20:56,680 flesh and bone of his body, how was that completely incinerated 3013 02:20:56,680 --> 02:20:59,280 when the wooden banner he was carrying wasn't that? 3014 02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:00,160 That doesn't. Make sense? 3015 02:21:00,160 --> 02:21:01,880 Is that a wooden? It might be a metal thing, the 3016 02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:03,640 dog. Cloth on the banner. 3017 02:21:03,640 --> 02:21:04,760 Yeah, there is cloth on the banner. 3018 02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:07,560 I don't have a shot of it, but it bothered me too shot. 3019 02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:09,160 And I was like, I was gonna roll my eyes. 3020 02:21:09,160 --> 02:21:10,400 That's exactly the kind of thing we're like. 3021 02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:13,280 But that that though, I think is like in an right. 3022 02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:16,040 It doesn't affect the plot, it's just an inaccuracy. 3023 02:21:16,040 --> 02:21:18,800 Yeah, it's just over the top or some kind, but yeah, over the 3024 02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:21,480 top. Yeah, but the other thing, and I 3025 02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:24,880 might be jumping ahead a little, but I just want we're just, you 3026 02:21:24,880 --> 02:21:27,400 know, giving props to Bobbing Franco that. 3027 02:21:27,720 --> 02:21:29,800 Frankel. Fabian Frankel. 3028 02:21:30,440 --> 02:21:34,040 Frankel, Frankel the when? When he kind of drops to his 3029 02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:36,240 knees there in front of Aegon. I'm just imagining all the 3030 02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:37,760 things going through his head, right? 3031 02:21:37,760 --> 02:21:41,960 Like he, he's got to be torn in so many directions. 3032 02:21:41,960 --> 02:21:45,120 Like we talked about like his, his role like sort of as a 3033 02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:47,840 battlefield commander. Like, I guess they won, you 3034 02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:48,280 know? Yeah. 3035 02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:49,960 Do they call this a victory? Yeah, like. 3036 02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:52,720 Yeah. And but remember they said that 3037 02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:54,560 about the about the. Battle of Burning Mill. 3038 02:21:55,360 --> 02:21:58,040 Rack and Blackwood battle too, like I don't know if we can 3039 02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:01,680 count that as a victory. And I think, I think you know, 3040 02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:04,760 what did someone else say that it it would be a Pyrrhic victory 3041 02:22:04,760 --> 02:22:06,680 was that? Yes, well, they didn't. 3042 02:22:06,680 --> 02:22:08,400 He didn't use the word pyrrhic, but. 3043 02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:11,640 OK, 'cause I I realized like there wouldn't be a pure victory 3044 02:22:11,640 --> 02:22:16,240 in Westeros. Ryan Condall used the the phrase 3045 02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:18,000 in the behind the scenes. They would, yeah. 3046 02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,280 They would never use it in the world, but he could use it, 3047 02:22:20,400 --> 02:22:22,560 yeah. Yeah, just like those dogs were 3048 02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:25,360 apparently Irish wolfhounds, those three dogs at Harrenhall, 3049 02:22:25,360 --> 02:22:28,120 but they clearly aren't Irish wolfhounds in world. 3050 02:22:28,120 --> 02:22:29,440 Isn't that right? Yeah. 3051 02:22:30,760 --> 02:22:34,200 But yeah, just see, he's got to feel like, you know, he failed 3052 02:22:34,200 --> 02:22:37,400 the king. You know, he's got to maybe is 3053 02:22:37,400 --> 02:22:40,280 he going to lose his position as Lord Commander or should he 3054 02:22:40,280 --> 02:22:43,720 resign a position should how is he, how is the rest of the king 3055 02:22:43,720 --> 02:22:46,600 going to react to this is the war you're going to keep going? 3056 02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:50,360 Like he's got to be have so many concerns both on like a big 3057 02:22:50,360 --> 02:22:54,640 picture strategy level, A tactics of the battle level, a 3058 02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:58,320 personal emotional level responsibility. 3059 02:22:58,360 --> 02:23:01,760 Like Allison? Yeah, What's he gonna tell 3060 02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:02,720 Allison? Oh my. 3061 02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:06,080 Oh, boy. Yeah. 3062 02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:08,800 And I, I forgot about this too. Like his range of acting, like 3063 02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:12,320 his shock and horror here at. Yeah, like does he? 3064 02:23:12,400 --> 02:23:15,000 And it's it's also worth noting that I, I think it was also Ryan 3065 02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:17,280 Condell or someone who wanted behind the scenes things where 3066 02:23:17,320 --> 02:23:19,320 they were trying to make the point that what they wanted to 3067 02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:24,080 see here from the POV of Kristen Cole is representing the 3068 02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:27,000 difference in the world now that the Dragons have been unleashed. 3069 02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:29,840 You know, not a world he thought he'd be in, not a world he, he, 3070 02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:31,760 he imagined it, but he didn't know it would be like this. 3071 02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:34,160 No one could like even the dragon riders don't didn't 3072 02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:35,400 haven't lived through this before. 3073 02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:40,800 So when he first walks up, when we first saw the scene, we 3074 02:23:40,800 --> 02:23:43,920 thought Eamon had his sword out getting ready to finish Aegon. 3075 02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:46,320 But on rewatch, like no that's definitely not the case because 3076 02:23:46,320 --> 02:23:51,800 he's putting his sword away before Cole yells anything. 3077 02:23:51,800 --> 02:23:53,200 OK, I have something I noticed here. 3078 02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:57,120 I want to say real quick. So I you notice that after this 3079 02:23:57,120 --> 02:23:58,920 he picks up the cat spaw dagger, right? 3080 02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:02,240 My question is, OK, he's clearly sheathing his sword. 3081 02:24:02,440 --> 02:24:04,480 And which made me think, oh, he's like, oh, I'm not going to 3082 02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:06,600 kill Aegon. He's doomed or he's not going to 3083 02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:09,160 have any more kids or whatever. Whatever he's thinking, he's 3084 02:24:09,160 --> 02:24:12,280 thinking he's as good as done. I'm going to rule, OK? 3085 02:24:12,400 --> 02:24:15,440 I don't need to fully kill him. I had a second thought though, 3086 02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:18,760 is that he sees the cat spaw dagger there in that moment. 3087 02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:21,680 So was he sheathing his sword because he thought it would be a 3088 02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:24,000 more meaningful death if he killed him with the cat spaw 3089 02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:27,040 dagger 'cause he sees that on the ground right after, like in 3090 02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:29,040 that moment. That would be an explanation for 3091 02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:30,080 why he would cheat it. I. 3092 02:24:30,080 --> 02:24:32,680 Can't say it's impossible, but I don't know. 3093 02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:35,480 Yeah, I don't know that it's true either. 3094 02:24:35,480 --> 02:24:37,040 You know what I mean? Like, it's certainly possible, 3095 02:24:37,400 --> 02:24:40,480 but 'cause you would wonder why does he even have his sword out 3096 02:24:40,480 --> 02:24:42,600 in the first place? There should not be any foes 3097 02:24:42,600 --> 02:24:44,720 around. There's no enemies. 3098 02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:46,520 There's no enemies outside the castle. 3099 02:24:46,520 --> 02:24:48,840 That's why I think he would have it out 'cause he was going to 3100 02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:52,840 put them out of their misery or take them out for to clear the 3101 02:24:52,840 --> 02:24:54,800 way for him. Either interpretation, kind of 3102 02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:56,440 different. Kind of the same, but a little 3103 02:24:56,800 --> 02:24:58,840 shades of difference. Yeah, so it is a little open to 3104 02:24:58,840 --> 02:25:00,720 interpretation. So like what I mean when I say 3105 02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:04,600 that we our initial impression was wrong, all I mean is that he 3106 02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:06,320 definitely wasn't about to stab him with a sword. 3107 02:25:06,320 --> 02:25:08,680 That doesn't mean his intent wasn't to kill him or that he 3108 02:25:08,680 --> 02:25:10,280 hadn't like a Shaya said. Maybe he just was like, oh I'll 3109 02:25:10,280 --> 02:25:13,960 just use dagger instead. My next point for y'all here is 3110 02:25:13,960 --> 02:25:16,680 that whether he was thinking he'd kill him with the dagger 3111 02:25:16,680 --> 02:25:20,160 instead or not, we know Ayman knows Valyrian well. 3112 02:25:20,320 --> 02:25:22,800 We know the prophecy is on this dagger written. 3113 02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:24,200 He might be reading it right now. 3114 02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:26,080 He might read the prophecy and know the prophecy. 3115 02:25:26,520 --> 02:25:28,080 And if he isn't right now, he might later. 3116 02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:29,840 Yeah. And of course, the prophecy is 3117 02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:31,560 incomplete. It does not have the whole thing 3118 02:25:31,560 --> 02:25:32,800 on there. There's just, like, one line of 3119 02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:34,720 it. So who knows what that could 3120 02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:37,400 mean if he just reads this one line, maybe it throws him off in 3121 02:25:37,400 --> 02:25:40,000 a entirely different direction. Maybe it encourages him to read 3122 02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:41,200 more. I don't know. 3123 02:25:41,440 --> 02:25:42,480 What do you think, Sean, about WE? 3124 02:25:42,600 --> 02:25:45,920 Love the idea of reading more. Val, reread it. 3125 02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:50,280 Yeah, I think it depends on what you mean by about Was he about 3126 02:25:50,280 --> 02:25:51,840 to kill him? Was he about to kill him in the 3127 02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:55,160 next one or two seconds? Definitely not. 3128 02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:59,480 No chance He was, I don't know, several steps away from Aegon's 3129 02:25:59,480 --> 02:26:03,880 body and he was lifting it up to sheath it before Cole called his 3130 02:26:03,880 --> 02:26:05,000 name. Like he. 3131 02:26:05,080 --> 02:26:07,280 Because like I said. Remember my voice. 3132 02:26:07,480 --> 02:26:08,200 The same. Thing. 3133 02:26:08,320 --> 02:26:10,560 He's sheathing it. He's sheathing it with a 3134 02:26:10,560 --> 02:26:12,600 weather, another weapon right in front of him. 3135 02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:14,760 Exactly. He might have been sheathing it 3136 02:26:14,840 --> 02:26:17,920 just so that he could bend down and pick up the other weapon. 3137 02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:20,200 Whether or not he meant to use that weapon to kill him also 3138 02:26:20,200 --> 02:26:22,280 might be a question, but it is weird that he had it out in the 3139 02:26:22,280 --> 02:26:25,360 first place. Maybe he's being cautious, you 3140 02:26:25,360 --> 02:26:28,080 know, It's a chaotic battlefield situation, who knows what could 3141 02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:30,160 happen out there. But it is weird that he had his 3142 02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:31,320 sword out in the first. Place. 3143 02:26:31,320 --> 02:26:33,360 Yeah, that's very telling. The fact that his sword is out 3144 02:26:33,360 --> 02:26:36,960 of laws. But I'm confident that he wasn't 3145 02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:41,360 a quote UN quote about to kill Aegon like in that stroke or in 3146 02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:44,400 that second. But he might have been about to 3147 02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:47,920 kill him like in the next few moments, depending on what he 3148 02:26:48,040 --> 02:26:50,840 saw or whatever. And that kill y'all like it 3149 02:26:50,840 --> 02:26:54,480 might have been a a mercy kill like if he was coming up to him 3150 02:26:54,480 --> 02:26:57,040 being like the the like this dragon and this like he might 3151 02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:58,640 have been about to kill Sunfire, right. 3152 02:26:58,640 --> 02:27:02,120 And hang on, like the idea, yes, it could be for his benefit, but 3153 02:27:02,120 --> 02:27:05,360 it also might be like, no one should live through this. 3154 02:27:05,480 --> 02:27:07,400 They're dying. They're in pain. 3155 02:27:07,440 --> 02:27:09,600 I, you know, like it isn't. And it can be both. 3156 02:27:10,040 --> 02:27:11,160 Yeah. Absolutely. 3157 02:27:11,320 --> 02:27:15,280 And maybe in modern times when you could like, medevac someone 3158 02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:19,120 on a helicopter to the the highest quality da da da, but 3159 02:27:19,120 --> 02:27:20,760 they're just in the middle of the freaking woods. 3160 02:27:20,760 --> 02:27:22,760 And well, no, they're going to take him into Rick's Rest. 3161 02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:24,920 Clearly that's where they're going to get the Rook's Rest 3162 02:27:24,920 --> 02:27:26,640 Maester is. That's his job now. 3163 02:27:26,840 --> 02:27:29,240 Then they'll maybe go back to King's Landing, but they're the 3164 02:27:29,240 --> 02:27:31,600 nearest maester is going to be conscripted into this role. 3165 02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:32,960 And that's the guy inside Rook's Rest. 3166 02:27:33,200 --> 02:27:34,960 Unless he somehow died, which isn't likely, but. 3167 02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:38,880 I like slow MO, pause, pause, play, pause, play trying to 3168 02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:43,840 there's just like one second of barely seeing the image of him 3169 02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:48,000 it and it's not clear if he's moving or breathing or anything. 3170 02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:50,360 It's hard to say. And so I think if they wanted 3171 02:27:50,360 --> 02:27:52,680 him to be dead, they would have made it clear to us that he was 3172 02:27:52,680 --> 02:27:54,480 dead. So that makes me guess he's not 3173 02:27:54,480 --> 02:27:56,520 dead yet, at least so. Yeah. 3174 02:27:56,520 --> 02:27:58,840 And having it having the uncertainty, can you can see why 3175 02:27:58,840 --> 02:28:01,760 that would create even heighten the conflict even more or make 3176 02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:07,080 some new plot threads possible? And him being even if he's not 3177 02:28:07,080 --> 02:28:09,760 dead, he's not about to like jump up and run into battle. 3178 02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:12,560 He's probably right. Probably burned and broke back. 3179 02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:15,640 And whoever know concussions, unconscious, coma like. 3180 02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:17,000 All sorts. Of any speaker. 3181 02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:19,800 Potential health problems. So he might he might become like 3182 02:28:19,800 --> 02:28:22,720 Grover Tully, right? Or someone else. 3183 02:28:23,080 --> 02:28:25,920 Eamon is probably effectively going to ruin his place. 3184 02:28:26,040 --> 02:28:28,880 Yep, he's becoming more like his father than he wanted to be in a 3185 02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:31,680 lot younger age, if that's indeed how it goes. 3186 02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:33,720 Think of that. Yeah, I like think about the 3187 02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:36,040 possibility that he could be wearing that mask of his, his 3188 02:28:36,040 --> 02:28:38,840 father's face mask with his to cover his burns or something 3189 02:28:38,840 --> 02:28:40,360 like that. All sorts of little maybe walk 3190 02:28:40,360 --> 02:28:41,880 in with his cane. I made that. 3191 02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:44,440 I made that guess a while ago. We'll see if it comes true. 3192 02:28:44,440 --> 02:28:45,600 It's not in the book, I'll say that. 3193 02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:47,720 It's just a guess that I might that have for the future of the 3194 02:28:47,720 --> 02:28:50,320 show. So, yeah, as we discussed, they 3195 02:28:50,320 --> 02:28:51,720 can't. Can they call this a victory? 3196 02:28:51,720 --> 02:28:53,560 How they spin this, how people will react? 3197 02:28:53,720 --> 02:28:55,440 So many reactions are going to come. 3198 02:28:55,600 --> 02:28:58,760 Blacks, greens, regular folk, people in between. 3199 02:28:59,320 --> 02:29:00,120 Wow. Yeah. 3200 02:29:00,560 --> 02:29:04,760 It's going to drive the rest of the season, among other things. 3201 02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:08,120 And we're looking forward to that. 3202 02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:12,400 RIP Rainey's. Rainey's in World was born on 3203 02:29:12,400 --> 02:29:15,680 the 7th day of the 7th month. The episode aired on the 7th day 3204 02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:17,400 of the 7th month. What the hell? 3205 02:29:17,400 --> 02:29:19,320 What kind of crazy coincidence is that? 3206 02:29:19,320 --> 02:29:21,160 There's obviously no way they planned that. 3207 02:29:21,880 --> 02:29:25,320 They couldn't have like, oh, we got to put it on Randy's cannon 3208 02:29:25,320 --> 02:29:26,680 birthday. We got to make sure that 3209 02:29:26,680 --> 02:29:28,720 happens. Like no, no way to do that. 3210 02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:31,600 So we will miss Eve Best. What a great performance. 3211 02:29:31,800 --> 02:29:35,320 She had a great like interview take on. 3212 02:29:35,320 --> 02:29:37,400 You know, you don't want to die, but if you're going to die, it 3213 02:29:37,400 --> 02:29:41,080 may as well be on the biggest, you know, on a big bad dragon in 3214 02:29:41,080 --> 02:29:42,760 one of the biggest battles of all time. 3215 02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:44,240 You know, it's like that's if you're going to go, that's the 3216 02:29:44,240 --> 02:29:46,680 way to go. Like, Yep, that's a great take. 3217 02:29:46,680 --> 02:29:49,080 Just like her takes in life. It's a great take in death. 3218 02:29:49,080 --> 02:29:51,680 And I hope to see Eve best in other shows. 3219 02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:54,920 And hey, maybe, maybe, maybe she'll be in a dream sequence or 3220 02:29:54,920 --> 02:29:56,680 something. At least at least we know those 3221 02:29:56,680 --> 02:29:59,000 are happening in the show. So it could happen. 3222 02:29:59,000 --> 02:30:01,120 You know, it's, it's one thing to to hope for a dream sequence 3223 02:30:01,120 --> 02:30:03,640 in a show that doesn't have those, you know, But hey, 3224 02:30:03,640 --> 02:30:07,240 they've shown it something, so maybe we'll get it over anyway. 3225 02:30:07,240 --> 02:30:10,200 It's an all timer of an episode. It's going to be interesting to 3226 02:30:10,200 --> 02:30:16,200 see how this one sits in the all timer battles category when 3227 02:30:16,200 --> 02:30:19,000 people do their ratings of the best Game of Thrones battles of 3228 02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:21,520 all time and things like that. This one will certainly be in 3229 02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:22,920 the discussion. I'm sure it's not everyone's 3230 02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:23,960 favorite. Where do you guys put? 3231 02:30:24,680 --> 02:30:27,000 It, I don't know yet. I have always have a hard time 3232 02:30:27,000 --> 02:30:30,000 picking favorites. So it's difficult, but I do it's 3233 02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:32,200 up there. I think I, I kind of, I think I 3234 02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:34,760 probably like it more than any of the Game of Thrones battles 3235 02:30:34,760 --> 02:30:36,800 because dragon battles are just so cool. 3236 02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:40,520 And I never, yeah, I've never, I never felt so much tension over 3237 02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:42,440 something that I pretty much knew what was going to happen 3238 02:30:42,440 --> 02:30:43,840 in. And that's really hard to do. 3239 02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:44,960 And I've heard that from a lot of people. 3240 02:30:44,960 --> 02:30:46,760 A lot of people have been like, yeah, I knew it was pretty much 3241 02:30:46,760 --> 02:30:49,440 exactly what was going to happen and it was still riveting and, 3242 02:30:49,440 --> 02:30:52,200 and maybe still the edge of my seat and still had me like 3243 02:30:52,200 --> 02:30:54,240 gripping my chair and. Had me yelling. 3244 02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:56,560 Tearing up and yelling. Yeah, we were yelling and 3245 02:30:56,560 --> 02:30:57,600 screaming at my. Heart. 3246 02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:00,720 I felt my heart just pounding here multiple times. 3247 02:31:00,720 --> 02:31:04,960 I was like, oh, anxious and physically, I don't know, alert 3248 02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:08,080 and pumped up. Yeah, I think, I think I'm going 3249 02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:11,080 to put it top three. I think I'm sure Hardhome is my 3250 02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:11,680 favorite. That's a. 3251 02:31:12,000 --> 02:31:16,000 Good one. And after that, I, I, I, I, I I 3252 02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:18,040 don't like Battle of the Bastards as much as some other 3253 02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:19,600 people did. I didn't like the battle, the 3254 02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:22,480 Battle of the Wall, maybe Blackwater Bay, all those like, 3255 02:31:22,760 --> 02:31:24,960 yeah, I guess Hardhome is my definitive favorite. 3256 02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:27,400 After that I'm not sure. Blackwater is so good because of 3257 02:31:27,400 --> 02:31:29,440 all the POV's involved and how many, how well it. 3258 02:31:29,880 --> 02:31:30,640 Pulls out of. Itself. 3259 02:31:31,240 --> 02:31:34,280 It is not as good as the dialogue between like when, when 3260 02:31:34,920 --> 02:31:38,000 like one of my favorite moments of all the Game of Thrones is 3261 02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:42,080 when the ships have been blown up and Stannis is like, let's go 3262 02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:43,720 anyway. And one of this, one of his 3263 02:31:43,720 --> 02:31:47,000 lieutenants is like hundreds of men will die and he's like 3264 02:31:47,400 --> 02:31:50,120 thousands like that. One of my favorite moments of 3265 02:31:50,120 --> 02:31:53,080 the whole show. It wasn't exactly battle, I 3266 02:31:53,120 --> 02:31:54,160 guess. I don't know it was it 3267 02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:57,920 Blackwater was kind of split up battle and other stuff was split 3268 02:31:57,920 --> 02:31:58,600 up a lot. But. 3269 02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:01,480 I'll say. This anyway come down I'm going 3270 02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:04,520 to say #2 for me after hard on. Yes, my favorite battle by a 3271 02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:06,320 long shot. I don't think any of the Game of 3272 02:32:06,320 --> 02:32:10,640 Thrones battles for me have ever hit as hard as this battle hit. 3273 02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:14,200 And it goes down to the sound design and the Dragons and like 3274 02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:16,880 the production team for that. Not like the performances, the 3275 02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:20,360 writing act, all of that, but it really, I think like the the 3276 02:32:20,360 --> 02:32:24,880 sounds of the Dragons being just just killed and the shrieking 3277 02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:28,440 and, and all and, and just whatever the sound design team 3278 02:32:28,440 --> 02:32:31,240 did, whatever they sampled, it really cut to the core of a lot 3279 02:32:31,240 --> 02:32:33,720 of people's hearts, I think and made us really hurt for them. 3280 02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:37,360 Even though again, I am team small folks, so I really should 3281 02:32:37,360 --> 02:32:41,240 be anti dragon and I kind of am like I logical part of me is 3282 02:32:41,240 --> 02:32:43,520 like people are going to use them like this. 3283 02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:47,880 They should be gone. But yet, Despite that, I was so 3284 02:32:47,880 --> 02:32:52,200 upset in this moment for Sunfire and Mailee's I, I was just just 3285 02:32:52,200 --> 02:32:54,000 heartbroken. Utterly and completely 3286 02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:56,960 heartbroken. So I don't think any battle in 3287 02:32:56,960 --> 02:33:00,000 Game of Thrones has left me feeling as heartbroken and as 3288 02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:03,840 yelling as much. And yeah, other moments in Game 3289 02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:07,080 of Thrones have left me feeling as upset and crying, but not one 3290 02:33:07,080 --> 02:33:10,200 of the battles. Yeah, that's a good way to put 3291 02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:12,920 it. And I think if you are, if it 3292 02:33:12,920 --> 02:33:16,440 makes you like something just going against your values, that 3293 02:33:16,440 --> 02:33:18,520 really says something. They really did a good job. 3294 02:33:18,520 --> 02:33:22,160 Like if they can convince you to like to feel bad for these 3295 02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:24,640 Dragons or for me to feel bad for Aegon, who I, you know, I 3296 02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:27,160 acknowledge terrible person was like, well, it really, it really 3297 02:33:27,160 --> 02:33:30,040 pulled something off. If you've feeling sympathy for 3298 02:33:30,040 --> 02:33:32,000 someone, you know, you don't usually feel sympathy for 3299 02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:35,160 feeling sympathy for violent, deadly animals that are used to 3300 02:33:35,160 --> 02:33:36,240 tyrannize people. Yeah. 3301 02:33:36,560 --> 02:33:39,400 That it's it's an accomplishment to pull that off, not to mention 3302 02:33:39,400 --> 02:33:40,960 just the visual spectacle of it all. 3303 02:33:41,880 --> 02:33:44,480 Mick Floyd sends a super chat, says I think Cole thought he was 3304 02:33:44,480 --> 02:33:46,160 going to kill him. That scream said it all. 3305 02:33:46,160 --> 02:33:47,120 Yeah. He was like, Amen. 3306 02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:49,800 Yeah, like he was, it was, it wasn't a hey, Amen. 3307 02:33:49,800 --> 02:33:52,560 Yo, you know, it was a what? It was a hey. 3308 02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:56,280 It had a it did have a hey stop kind of vibe to it. 3309 02:33:56,280 --> 02:33:59,240 Right, I think what whatever Eamon's intentions were, I think 3310 02:33:59,240 --> 02:34:01,680 we know what Cole thought of him in that moment. 3311 02:34:01,960 --> 02:34:04,880 And again, makes me wonder how much we don't see Cole's 3312 02:34:04,880 --> 02:34:08,600 reaction to what he, if he looked up in the moment and saw 3313 02:34:08,600 --> 02:34:13,640 the Veigar Meili Sunfire deal. We don't know what people saw. 3314 02:34:13,640 --> 02:34:17,760 We don't know what Cole saw. I think based on like, honestly, 3315 02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:19,960 like when you're that far away and the way like depth 3316 02:34:19,960 --> 02:34:22,400 perception works, I don't know that it would be damning. 3317 02:34:22,400 --> 02:34:25,160 Like, I don't know that from the ground it looked obviously like 3318 02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:28,360 he took out Sunfire. But it might have Cole might 3319 02:34:28,360 --> 02:34:29,920 have. Cole might know that he did 3320 02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:33,600 that. He also has the why didn't he 3321 02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:36,840 come when the signal was called? He let he saw his brother and 3322 02:34:36,840 --> 02:34:39,080 was late. Like that's, that's, that's 3323 02:34:39,080 --> 02:34:42,680 evidence for him thinking he's going to kill him. 3324 02:34:42,680 --> 02:34:44,320 Like from Cole's perspective, that's sketchy. 3325 02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:45,800 Like, oh, is he, is he going to kill his brother here? 3326 02:34:45,800 --> 02:34:49,600 So yeah, I, I, I can see that. So clearly they made it 3327 02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:52,960 ambiguous because we aren't sure we can see both sides of it. 3328 02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:55,960 Like that's the answer. They deliberately made it 3329 02:34:55,960 --> 02:34:58,040 confusing. Like, we're not supposed to 3330 02:34:58,040 --> 02:35:00,000 know, I think, but it's fun to talk about. 3331 02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:01,640 So. But yeah, I don't think we're 3332 02:35:01,640 --> 02:35:04,040 supposed to be able to figure it out purely from what happened. 3333 02:35:04,040 --> 02:35:06,520 I think that maybe will come later when we see how Amon's 3334 02:35:06,520 --> 02:35:08,560 reaction is and what else happens next. 3335 02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:11,240 And well, we're halfway through the season. 3336 02:35:11,240 --> 02:35:13,320 There's been a lot so far. It's been great. 3337 02:35:13,320 --> 02:35:15,640 We'll have a lot more to talk about, a lot more topics to 3338 02:35:15,640 --> 02:35:19,480 cover, and not to mention more episodes to cover. 3339 02:35:19,480 --> 02:35:23,440 So stay with us, friends. We are having a fun time. 3340 02:35:23,440 --> 02:35:25,960 I hope you are too. We'll keep the discussions 3341 02:35:25,960 --> 02:35:28,760 coming and keep our notes flowing. 3342 02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:32,040 Try to keep track of all these details, all these takes, all 3343 02:35:32,040 --> 02:35:36,760 these topics. And thanks to Brand the Builder 3344 02:35:36,760 --> 02:35:40,080 for our awesome video intro. We sure do like that. 3345 02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:44,240 Don't forget to check out our the link in the description 3346 02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:46,600 about City Winery. If you're in the New York area. 3347 02:35:46,600 --> 02:35:49,960 We would love to see you on August 3rd for the Episode 8 3348 02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:55,760 preview slash recap of the season and we will see you all 3349 02:35:56,280 --> 02:35:59,120 soon for the next episode. Oh, Sean, you have something to 3350 02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:00,800 add. Just one last clip. 3351 02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:04,560 However old Alice Rivers might be, I think she's voodoo child. 3352 02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:06,800 Hey, there it is. There's that Jimi Hendrix. 3353 02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:09,360 You got it. And you snuck it in right under 3354 02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:11,120 the wire. Well played, my friend. 3355 02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:16,560 All right, everybody, until next time, Valar re Ritis. 3356 02:36:53,130 --> 02:37:39,160 None. None.