1
00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:13,600
Hello, my fellow West dorian's, 
Welcome Back, its Sunday blood 

2
00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,000
magic Sunday in this episode, we
will look at all the examples of

3
00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,000
blood magic and those who use 
it, what types of spells and 

4
00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,800
effects. 
It has both in general, and on 

5
00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,000
the story will talk about its 
Origins. 

6
00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,800
The societies and cities known 
for it famous examples. 

7
00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,100
From history, Legends and lore 
that sort of thing. 

8
00:00:32,500 --> 00:00:35,000
Feel Free as well to give us 
your favorite examples because 

9
00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,400
it's not always easy to tell. 
What counts is blood-magic and 

10
00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,500
what doesn't, that's something 
we'll be discussing as well. 

11
00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:42,900
There will be a little bit of 
House of the Dragon info mixed 

12
00:00:42,900 --> 00:00:45,900
in here, when I wrote this, I 
said a few bits, but as it turns

13
00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:50,800
out, there's really just one and
it came straight from George 

14
00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:53,100
through Ryan condal. 
So that's cool. 

15
00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,200
Game of Thrones, on the other 
hand, it cut out a lot of what 

16
00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,100
we call. 
Blood medical really just magic 

17
00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:00,700
in general and when its own way,
and if Spots. 

18
00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,400
And sometimes it's stuck to the 
book. 

19
00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,500
So there's not a lot to add 
there. 

20
00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:07,300
So we, there's no discussion 
from the first TV show in this 

21
00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:09,700
one as well. 
We shall include a few examples 

22
00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:11,800
of blood magic. 
We might expect to see down the 

23
00:01:11,808 --> 00:01:15,300
road or people who we might 
expect to use it if even if we 

24
00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:19,300
don't know what precisely 
they're going to do, magic is 

25
00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:22,700
fun in part because it's used 
sparingly in this world. 

26
00:01:22,700 --> 00:01:26,100
And as with most things it has 
George's care and Brilliance 

27
00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:28,300
behind it. 
Plus the influence of the genre.

28
00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,400
In this case we're dealing with 
One of, if not the most evil 

29
00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,800
forms of magic, it certainly 
feels that way. 

30
00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:36,700
Generally throughout the story, 
characters, react to it with 

31
00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:40,200
revulsion and extreme prejudice 
from a variety of different 

32
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,500
cultures. 
This isn't just westerosi the 

33
00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:44,600
react this way and in their 
world, it is and just 

34
00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,000
Superstition. 
It's as real as it gets and 

35
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,700
there's quite a lot of it out 
there for us to discuss indeed. 

36
00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:53,200
You might be surprised at what 
we consider blood magic, what we

37
00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,300
don't that'll lead us to talk 
about sacrifice a lot. 

38
00:01:56,500 --> 00:02:00,400
Most of the cases were blood. 
And/or death are involved, The 

39
00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,200
sorceries, those who cast them 
and why the price they paid or 

40
00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,100
the price that someone else paid
phrases of note. 

41
00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:12,200
Like there is power in King's 
blood and only death May pay for

42
00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,200
life all that and more on this 
episode of history, of Westeros 

43
00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,500
podcast. 
How's it going? 

44
00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:21,100
Shawn? 
Welcome. 

45
00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:22,100
What you got? 
You got a little? 

46
00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:24,000
Yeah, I hope you have a red 
drink for us today. 

47
00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,300
That would be appropriate. 
I do indeed, this is pretty 

48
00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:29,500
blood-red looking. 
I think I would matches my 

49
00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:33,900
shirt, the rainbow Naked, drink 
mixed with watermelon Mountain 

50
00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:37,200
Dew and a bang. 
But I forgot what flavor might 

51
00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,000
have been peach mango but the 
bangs are clear. 

52
00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,500
Anyway, the blood-red is coming 
from the rainbow naked dream. 

53
00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:43,400
Heck yeah. 
So we end up blood and the 

54
00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,400
blood. 
Yes, Shawn, but actual bucket 

55
00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,400
Dimension. 
Yeah, you always put blood in 

56
00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,000
there. 
It's easy to forget it's Sunday.

57
00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:54,400
Blood magic Sunday for us this 
Sunday blood magic Sunday for 

58
00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,800
YouTube. 
I hope so. 

59
00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,000
I hope so. 
Shout out to our good friend 

60
00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,500
Nina, her blog is good, Queen a 
lead on tumblr.com, there's one 

61
00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:07,900
L in a lie and latest blog post 
on her site. 

62
00:03:07,900 --> 00:03:13,800
Is a question about Isabella of 
France and parallels with her 

63
00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,900
and Alyssa Volare. 
A list of Lauren super 

64
00:03:15,900 --> 00:03:18,600
interesting character. 
You're going to want to find out

65
00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:21,100
where some of this inspiration 
came from because Nina agrees 

66
00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:23,600
that there is some part 
inspiration there, at least 

67
00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,500
part, maybe even more than that.
Get out good clean LED 

68
00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,700
tumblr.com this episode was 
voted on by patrons. 

69
00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:33,100
Will tell you what's coming 
next. 

70
00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:37,000
The end of the episode. 
Did you know that Martin's world

71
00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,900
is so robust that covering the 
one topic often teased has 

72
00:03:39,900 --> 00:03:44,900
several others. 
This one in particular, so many 

73
00:03:44,900 --> 00:03:48,300
other episodes, the end I'm 
going to read y'all like 10 or 

74
00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:53,000
12 episodes that we pop up here 
because well blood magic pops up

75
00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,200
in a lot of places. 
So it's a very big list. 

76
00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:59,000
Just look at this time also at 
the end of the episode there's a

77
00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,200
trivia question. 
Well an answer the question is 

78
00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:08,400
here at the beginning and it is 
Melisandre Solis Daenerys and 

79
00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,300
mirri. 
Maz duur all say the phrase only

80
00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:16,200
deaf May or can or could pay for
life at some point who is the 

81
00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,300
only male to use that phrase in 
the series? 

82
00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:24,300
Only one answer at the end, you 
said in the intro that we might 

83
00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:27,300
surprise you on what I think it 
is or isn't play Magic. 

84
00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:30,600
We might not be on the same 
page, okay, is everybody your 

85
00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,000
rights and debatable point? 
I think we'll talk about that. 

86
00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,600
Some there's no ultimate 
Authority on this. 

87
00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,100
So it's all just our own 
personal opinion, none of us are

88
00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:38,900
actual blood magic 
practitioners. 

89
00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:42,300
So we are not experts giving 
advice you that you know, of 

90
00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,100
that, you know, I wouldn't let 
you know. 

91
00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:47,000
I find interesting line prepping
for this. 

92
00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:54,600
I use the search of iron Feist 
any results. 

93
00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:10,000
So anyway, I got no results. 
I think there were some results 

94
00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,100
where, like the word wood and 
Magic were using the same three 

95
00:05:13,100 --> 00:05:16,400
paragraphs fan, but I also 
realize in some of those 

96
00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,700
results. 
Wait, what? 

97
00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:19,500
Magic is like one word George 
uses it? 

98
00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:21,200
A one word? 
Yeah, that's really. 

99
00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,200
It's okay. 
Even still there are pretty 

100
00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,500
limited results of blood magic. 
Coming up together and sometimes

101
00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:30,500
if you blood Mage is one word 
and the word Magi. 

102
00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:33,700
Got used a lot for marrying, my 
store, a lot of the results came

103
00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:36,600
from that segment with Danny. 
Her Danny remembering back to 

104
00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,000
that. 
Jess and major. 

105
00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,800
I comes up a few times too but 
it's still pretty limited for 

106
00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,200
how much we have to talk and 
think about this. 

107
00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,000
That's not specifically 
reference very often but almost 

108
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,500
every time it is it's like 
Pandora's box of thought about 

109
00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:52,700
absolutely. 
It's a hits hard when it pops up

110
00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:55,100
at all and you're right that it 
isn't mentioned straight out. 

111
00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,500
Out which doesn't mean the 
president isn't there? 

112
00:05:57,500 --> 00:06:00,000
Because it isn't always called 
blood magic isn't always someone

113
00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,400
standing there, narrating going 
bats, blood magic, you know, 

114
00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:07,300
rarely is learned blood maggots 
in my youth and now I'm going to

115
00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:10,600
execute it right way to specific
manner under the power of this 

116
00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,400
God, and these materials. 
Like, no, it's all just, like, 

117
00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,100
big references that we have to 
kind of, like, imagine up for 

118
00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:20,200
construe from, you know, which 
is part of why we don't always 

119
00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,900
know what is and what isn't, 
what counts? 

120
00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:24,100
What doesn't count? 
But that's part of the fun. 

121
00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,300
So you let's get a start. 
Your quote from qyburn and 

122
00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:30,300
Cersei blood magic is the 
darkest kind of sorcery. 

123
00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,500
Some say it is the most powerful
as well. 

124
00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:34,800
Cersei did not want to hear 
that. 

125
00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,100
This Mage, I made certain 
prophecies, I laughed at them at

126
00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:44,600
first but she foretold the death
of one of my best mates at the 

127
00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,100
time. 
She made the prophecy, the girl 

128
00:06:47,100 --> 00:06:50,900
was one and ten healthy is a 
little hoarse and safe within 

129
00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:55,100
the rock yet. 
She soon fell down a well. 

130
00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,600
And drown fell melara had begged
her never to speak of the 

131
00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,200
things. 
They heard that night in the 

132
00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,200
Mesa is tent. 
If we never talked about it will

133
00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,300
soon forget and then it will be 
just a bad dream. 

134
00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:11,600
We had malaria had said, bad 
dreams, never come true. 

135
00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:17,000
The both of them had been so 
young that almost sounded wise. 

136
00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,900
Damn Cersei fell down the. 
Well, yeah, okay. 

137
00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:25,500
That's what happened. 
But really it, but still Get the

138
00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:28,100
point here. 
This is even Cersei is chilled 

139
00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:32,000
by this, and qyburn is, you 
know, he knows some things about

140
00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,400
magic. 
This of course, is Maggy the 

141
00:07:34,407 --> 00:07:36,600
Frog. 
They're talking about and the 

142
00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:40,000
prophecy coming. 
True of for friend being killed 

143
00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000
and then more prophecy is 
coming, true about how many 

144
00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,600
children Robert would have and 
how many children she would have

145
00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,900
and all these other things. 
So magic tends to function 

146
00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,400
function in quotes by drawing on
a source. 

147
00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,100
That's usually how its expressed
in a variety. 

148
00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,200
These of fantasy worlds. 
George's world seems to be 

149
00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,600
similar in that regard. 
Even if it's a little less 

150
00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,300
distinct or a lot less distinct.
Maybe it's usually a natural 

151
00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:06,900
element like Earth, Wind Fire 
and do you remember. 

152
00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:10,000
It works in any month not just 
September though, it does appear

153
00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,900
to be seasonal or at least some 
Magics to. 

154
00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,700
I wasn't just randomly making 
that joke, it does appear to be 

155
00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:18,800
seasonal, right leg magic seems 
to ebb and flow in its power and

156
00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,700
in certain places around the 
world Elemental Magics may be 

157
00:08:22,700 --> 00:08:25,100
more dependent on weather and 
climate. 

158
00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:29,300
Lime it then say something like 
blood magic, which maybe just 

159
00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:33,100
depends on the blood of the 
person Which is less 

160
00:08:33,299 --> 00:08:34,600
temperamental. 
I suppose. 

161
00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:39,100
Simply put blood magic is Magic 
that uses blood as a source if 

162
00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:41,900
that quote from qyburn and 
Cersei is truthful. 

163
00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:45,200
Then blood is perhaps the most 
powerful of all the sources more

164
00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,900
powerful than Earth than Wind 
and Fire and all that. 

165
00:08:47,900 --> 00:08:51,700
And qyburn is more of an 
authority than most you get 

166
00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:55,500
magical street cred, when you 
successfully pull off, He's he's

167
00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:57,900
so I'd think he knows more than 
most people. 

168
00:08:57,900 --> 00:09:02,200
Still necromancy is not blood 
magic and what magic is not 

169
00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,800
glamour's glamour's is not skin.
Changing skin. 

170
00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,800
Changing is not prophecy. 
There's lots of different types 

171
00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,000
of magic being knowledgeable in 
one. 

172
00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,800
Doesn't mean you know the other.
It's like that old Mitch Hedberg

173
00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,400
joke. 
Oh, you're a chef. 

174
00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,700
Can you farm like? 
No, you know, I guess they're 

175
00:09:17,700 --> 00:09:21,600
both food related but they're 
entirely different skills of the

176
00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,800
Magics. 
We see which are and are not 

177
00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:24,700
blood magic. 
Yeah. 

178
00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:27,200
Like we Somewhat up to the 
individual, sometimes it's 

179
00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,800
pretty clear but times it's not.
So we'll try to get some 

180
00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,100
understanding and maybe learn a 
few spells of our own do. 

181
00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:37,400
Try this at home? 
Yes, please do. 

182
00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,300
I want to point out. 
There's also, some crossover, 

183
00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,100
not just between different types
of magic, but between magic and 

184
00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:46,800
science. 
What some of what car Burns 

185
00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,000
doing? 
Might be magical, but some of it

186
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,300
might just be scientific. 
You might just understand some 

187
00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:53,800
elements of biology Gregor 
wasn't totally dead. 

188
00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,000
His heart was still beating 
Maybe. 

189
00:09:55,100 --> 00:09:57,600
Brain-dead, but maybe he's got 
something to work with 

190
00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,700
scientifically. 
But also, if you throw in some 

191
00:09:59,700 --> 00:10:03,000
magic, yeah, the heart of 
science is reproducing 

192
00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,200
repeatable results, right? 
And if you can produce 

193
00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,700
repeatable results with magic, 
then you can categorize it 

194
00:10:08,708 --> 00:10:11,100
scientifically. 
Even if you can't, categorize 

195
00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:13,100
like every part of it, I mean, 
which is true for reality. 

196
00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:15,100
We can't categorize everything 
that exists. 

197
00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:17,500
Some magic has to be involved. 
If you want to call it blood 

198
00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:20,600
magic, that should be obvious on
some levels for example, simply 

199
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,300
sacrificing someone while 
cutting their throat. 

200
00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:25,000
You know, that's not necessarily
blood magic. 

201
00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:28,400
Unless it produces some magical 
effect then you could arguably 

202
00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,500
say that. 
Well, that's that's what magic 

203
00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:35,500
It produced, an effect. 
I also do think I'm not 100% in 

204
00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:40,100
this, but I think that blood 
magic doesn't necessarily have 

205
00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:43,300
to be actual blood. 
I think blood could mean life 

206
00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,500
and it's burning someone at the 
stake. 

207
00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:48,100
At least potentially is 
blood-magic. 

208
00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:50,800
It's at least in the same room. 
I think it's a debatable point. 

209
00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,200
I'm not sure about this but I 
think it's a reasonable point 

210
00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,600
to. 
I think that's a that's the D 

211
00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,000
perfect. 
Example, actually showing I 

212
00:10:56,008 --> 00:10:57,400
think is burning someone to 
stake. 

213
00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,400
Is whether that counts is 
blood-magic whether that like, 

214
00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,200
if Melisandre does that to 
Shireen later is that blood 

215
00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,800
magic or is that fire magic? 
Or is it both? 

216
00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:07,600
It's a little bit of semantics. 
It's not super important to 

217
00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,000
figure that out but it is fun to
discuss and maybe gets closer to

218
00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000
the answer. 
So fun to discuss. 

219
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,700
So girls being, yes, so fun the 
best freely. 

220
00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:20,000
We love our. 
That's what Sundays are for ya. 

221
00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,800
One example, I think we have 
here. 

222
00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,000
That is seems pretty likely to 
not be blood magic. 

223
00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,600
Expressed as if it is the 
ghiscari and their gladiatorial 

224
00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,700
games here is hizdahr zo, loraq 
actually do. 

225
00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:35,000
This is Danny repeating hizdahr,
zo loraq, the fighting pits have

226
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,800
been a part of marine since the 
city was founded. 

227
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,600
The combats are profoundly 
religious in nature. 

228
00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,500
A blood sacrifice to the gods of
geese. 

229
00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:47,800
The mortal art of yeast is Not 
Mere Butchery, but a display of 

230
00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:53,500
Courage, skill and strength, 
most pleasing to your Gods, 

231
00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:54,900
right? 
And his dark. 

232
00:11:55,100 --> 00:11:57,900
Course, being the funny guy that
has he's like oh you've quite 

233
00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:01,900
convinced me. 
She's just like I've heard your 

234
00:12:01,900 --> 00:12:03,800
argument so many times. 
I could say it myself. 

235
00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,100
And then there it is. 
I do see how it could be blood 

236
00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:10,100
Magic, by the way, say it's 
something. 

237
00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:13,800
It could evolve, let's say that 
you knew on some scientific 

238
00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,700
level, some magical level, maybe
it's just a customer, there's no

239
00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,200
magic to it all. 
But for whatever reason, they 

240
00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,200
know where they believe that, if
they kill someone, maybe on some

241
00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,500
certain date, or sun ground that
the crops The next year up. 

242
00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:31,800
Well might as well make a 
contest out of right, like might

243
00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,100
as well sell tickets. 
It still could be blood magic, 

244
00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:38,500
even though it has become a game
where to the average person, 

245
00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:41,600
they think it's a gladiatori 
fighter, or show courage, but 

246
00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,800
the people who originated it or 
behind the organization, they 

247
00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,000
might understand it. 
We need this Blood to be 

248
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:48,900
spilled. 
Yeah. 

249
00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:50,700
Right. 
Like if there are God's sitting 

250
00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:54,500
up there and they are pleased, 
how would we know you know if 

251
00:12:54,500 --> 00:12:57,900
they are Angry, he knows I mean 
I think his DARS just saying 

252
00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:02,200
stuff but I can't be 100% sure. 
You know, maybe the gods of 

253
00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,700
guess really are there and maybe
they really do care about what's

254
00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:09,400
the gladiatorial games also, 
even if his are doesn't believe 

255
00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,000
it and he's just being 
manipulative. 

256
00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,100
What matters is if his people. 
Yeah. 

257
00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:15,100
I just people do, it was him to 
do seem to believe that's true. 

258
00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:16,700
That's very good point. 
What's real and what people 

259
00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:19,900
believe are important 
dichotomies, especially with, 

260
00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:23,500
with magic and Superstition? 
Especially when magic is real. 

261
00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,200
Whether or not Examples cited 
are examples of magic. 

262
00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,400
Some of them are. 
So whether or not this 

263
00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:34,700
gladiatorial games is a example 
of blood magic. 

264
00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:38,500
It is a good example showing. 
Some of it is probably not blood

265
00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:41,000
magic and a form of sacrifice. 
That's probably not blood. 

266
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,400
Magic, it sets the example. 
Anyway, human bodies are fragile

267
00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,500
enough that blood just gets 
spilled. 

268
00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:50,000
When things are happening, we 
get scraped, if I'm cut. 

269
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,000
Do I not bleed? 
Yes. 

270
00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:52,400
That doesn't make it blood 
magic. 

271
00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,900
It isn't like vase dothe. 
Rack where If a Blog can be 

272
00:13:55,900 --> 00:13:58,700
spilled and if it is then boom, 
that's blood magic. 

273
00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:03,400
But speaking of the Dothraki and
based oath rack Laz, you said, 

274
00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,800
Sean, a lot of our best examples
come in book one with Danny and 

275
00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,900
Mary Mass door. 
That's when you actually hear 

276
00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:13,200
the phrase, blood magic, uttered
a few times and there's, it's 

277
00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,200
almost as straightforward as we 
ever get. 

278
00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:17,600
So, here we go. 
Quote, right before she hatches,

279
00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,300
dragon eggs from the pyre by 
itself. 

280
00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:23,100
The blood is nothing. 
You do not have the words to 

281
00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:26,100
make a spell nor the wisdom. 
Find them. 

282
00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:29,500
Do you think blood magic is a 
game for children? 

283
00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,100
Well, Danny played the game in 
one, she's arguably a child in 

284
00:14:34,100 --> 00:14:36,200
that moment. 
But Mary died, thinking it 

285
00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,000
wouldn't work, which is pretty 
ironic. 

286
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,600
She turned out to be quite 
mistaken. 

287
00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:43,500
Mary pointed out Danny, didn't 
know anything about blood magic,

288
00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:46,600
but while Mary herself as a 
practitioner, as we said she's 

289
00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,600
probably no expert. 
There's such a wide open topic 

290
00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,100
of magic, where there's the 
Shirley things that have not 

291
00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,000
been discovered or discovered by
very few. 

292
00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,300
She wouldn't know it all. 
All. 

293
00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:57,800
But this was really a miracle 
according to George anyway. 

294
00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,800
So spell probably isn't the 
right word, which is also why I 

295
00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,500
marry Maz duur. 
Couldn't have seen it coming. 

296
00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,000
And why Danny was compelled to 
do. 

297
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,700
It was partly because of dream. 
She was having and other things 

298
00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:11,900
that are almost, certainly not 
blood magic, but probably magic.

299
00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,600
It could be a miracle and be 
blood magic. 

300
00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,000
Yeah, that's it. 
For example, let's say that 

301
00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:20,900
every morning, the blood Mage 
Cuts their daughters finger and 

302
00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:23,900
drips blood on corn. 
And the next day, the corn is 

303
00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:26,800
gold. 
So let's say that's blood magic 

304
00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,000
but say, one day you do the same
thing and the next day you're a 

305
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,100
whole crop is gold. 
Instead of just the corn on the 

306
00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:36,800
table like well that was what 
magic but also a miracle. 

307
00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,500
The blood magic user doesn't 
work like that. 

308
00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:40,400
You got a miraculous result this
one time. 

309
00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:42,500
Yeah. 
And if you did you would like 

310
00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:44,900
try to maybe do that again. 
Like oh that we Bruce Lee we 

311
00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:45,800
cute? 
Yeah. 

312
00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,300
That's right. 
Okay. 

313
00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:49,400
Why did not Sai exactly? 
Did you do? 

314
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,200
Yeah. 
Exactly. 

315
00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:54,900
That's document this process. 
Did you have? 

316
00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,700
The camera running when you did 
that. 

317
00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,300
Also, to be fair, though, Mary 
master was trying to save her 

318
00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:03,800
own life, so she may have been 
willing to say, whatever just to

319
00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,600
do anything to get unstrapped 
from that pyre, is she could 

320
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:08,900
clearly see what was about to 
happen. 

321
00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:11,800
Also, she seemed to think it was
blood magic. 

322
00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,700
She didn't your row. 
There are being burned. 

323
00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:15,700
But damn may be bloated. 
Also been drawn. 

324
00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:18,000
Maybe she doesn't know or 
distinguish. 

325
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,400
Yeah, you told her you told me 
only death can pay for life. 

326
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,000
She's like you can't just throw 
the stuff in a pot and Stir It 

327
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,900
Up and expected to work. 
Like what are you doing? 

328
00:16:25,300 --> 00:16:28,200
Well, it, but it did works. 
Yeah, Nana says, for what, it's 

329
00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,300
worth, Mary might not have been 
wrong for what she thought 

330
00:16:30,300 --> 00:16:32,300
Daenerys was doing. 
If she believed Danny was trying

331
00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:36,900
to resurrect Drogo because Mary 
didn't know what this pyre and 

332
00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:38,400
all that. 
What she was actually trying to 

333
00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,700
accomplish there and she didn't 
ask she's doing so sure. 

334
00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:43,200
Danny knew either. 
No, she did. 

335
00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,600
She probably didn't exactly 
know. 

336
00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,000
You're, right. 
She was having the dreams and 

337
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,600
right in between losing her, 
child and hatching, the pyre. 

338
00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,900
She had those fever dreams and 
before that she was having 

339
00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,600
dreams that were less intense, 
but building up to this. 

340
00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,100
So, yeah, there's all sorts of 
stuff going on, lots of 

341
00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:02,800
additional context to this 
moment. 

342
00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,200
Maybe that's the key to hashing.
Dragon eggs, you can't realize 

343
00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,300
you're doing it. 
You can't have that intention, 

344
00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:11,200
but Danny was trying to hide. 
But again, he probably was 

345
00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,599
trying to hatch dragons even if 
she wasn't fully conscious of 

346
00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,599
it, but Mary didn't know that 
I'd which is an important 

347
00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:17,400
distinction. 
Nina continues. 

348
00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,400
This was a spell. 
No one could know the words to 

349
00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,000
probably if there are any words 
to it in the first place and 

350
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,900
because the last dragons died, 
almost two centuries. 

351
00:17:25,099 --> 00:17:30,300
Fire & Dragons, probably didn't 
need rituals to hatch before. 

352
00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:33,600
That isn't, I mean, not the ones
during like the dance. 

353
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,500
Not during the house of the 
Dragon era. 

354
00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:38,500
We never is no hint of anything 
like that. 

355
00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,300
Dragons, just hatched like 
animals do like eggs hatch 

356
00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:44,100
occasionally, they don't because
there's something wrong but 

357
00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:48,600
that's how regular eggs. 
Work and Miriam as Dewar was 

358
00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,900
called blood Mage and Meiji Magi
Maggie especially when casting 

359
00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:56,600
the spell for Drogo. 
Go, which involved the sacrifice

360
00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,400
of his favorite horse. 
She was cursed for her having 

361
00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,400
the aspect of a spellcaster 
before that though the blood 

362
00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,700
Riders other distract, you were 
just like shunning her like no, 

363
00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:11,000
don't let her do anything. 
They had a very predisposed 

364
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,100
against anything, she might do. 
And that was just for offering 

365
00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:17,700
to heal him, right? 
But when it was too late to go, 

366
00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:22,100
farther Danny turned to the 
Forbidden quote, there is a 

367
00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:25,500
price God's wife, warned her, 
you'll have gold, Horses, 

368
00:18:25,500 --> 00:18:27,900
whatever. 
You like not a matter of gold 

369
00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:30,600
and horses. 
This is blood-magic lady, only 

370
00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,400
death can pay for Life, hmm. 
Yes, interesting, too, is it 

371
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:39,000
kind of peculiar that this 
humble peaceful woman that lived

372
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,100
in like obscurity and simplicity
learn blood magic in the first 

373
00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:45,500
place. 
Like, yeah, she went to a shy 

374
00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,800
and you can see that some of the
things she learned make sense. 

375
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,800
Like she learned all these 
birthing spells and fertility 

376
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,100
spells for crops, but blood 
magic and that's kind of We 

377
00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:58,400
talked about Sean like yeah 
that's maybe it's one of those 

378
00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,600
things that's sounds evil often 
used for things that were 

379
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,500
revolted by the process. 
Is it doesn't make it look any 

380
00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:09,300
better. 
But if you're only using it for 

381
00:19:09,300 --> 00:19:13,500
like growing crops for helping 
people deliver children healthy 

382
00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:18,100
than that's fine, that's good. 
But maybe she wasn't using blood

383
00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:20,200
magic for that. 
Maybe she was using other 

384
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,400
spells, but also she knew blood 
measure. 

385
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,200
I've been, why wouldn't she have
learned it in the first place? 

386
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:24,800
Like it doesn't. 
Yeah. 

387
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,200
I don't know, it's not something
you just like pick up at the 

388
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,600
corner like oh, I accidentally 
picked up. 

389
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,600
I picked up a little Blood 
Moons. 

390
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,500
Like you live in Thailand for a 
while, you may pick up some 

391
00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:34,600
ties, you might learn the 
language a little. 

392
00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:37,500
I don't know if you just pick up
blood Magic by being around, 

393
00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:39,400
being around blood, Mages I can 
paint on what? 

394
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,200
Courtney a hangout on. 
Yeah, exactly. 

395
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:45,200
That's peculiar to me. 
Need a rights for what? 

396
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,500
It's worth. 
We pretty much know nothing with

397
00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:48,600
the lazzarini culture. 
Other than that, they get called

398
00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,600
peaceful a lot. 
So what they do with blood magic

399
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,500
might be, well, they're peaceful
culture, maybe they have Found. 

400
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,000
Peaceful uses for it. 
You know, if you're just 

401
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,700
sacrificing an animal and it 
really works and grows a lot of 

402
00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:03,100
crops, that might be a little 
gross. 

403
00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:06,000
But like what who are we to look
down on that? 

404
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,700
I mean, we meet, well, you don't
Shawn but most of us do a lot of

405
00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:11,000
you all listening. 
Don't, but similar thing, you 

406
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,500
know, what's the difference, all
they said some words and the 

407
00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:17,100
blood fell into the Earth. 
That's so much worse than a 

408
00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:19,200
slaughterhouse. 
No actually, it's probably 

409
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,400
slaughterhouse is probably 
worse, actually, so anyway, 

410
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,500
let's yeah. 
So consider the burning of Mary 

411
00:20:25,500 --> 00:20:29,300
Master herself. as part of the 
hatching of the eggs, This is 

412
00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:31,500
where you talk about Sean is 
this is that blood magic is 

413
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:33,900
that, I mean it's a miracle so 
it's a whole nother thing thrown

414
00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:38,600
in here that just it's hard to 
categorize a miracle while. 

415
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,000
Also trying to figure out what 
sort type of magic it is. 

416
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:44,800
It could be a mix. 
Also, you know, that converter, 

417
00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:47,900
clutter things, if you will, I 
think about this constantly 

418
00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:52,500
throughout this thread. 
To me there is a supernatural 

419
00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:54,700
power. 
And a lot of times, for example,

420
00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:56,900
like Andy Andy, we're in a lot 
of fantasy worlds. 

421
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:59,800
There's magic if you will, but 
this also like the power of the 

422
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,400
Gods, like there's many 
different types of mystical 

423
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,800
Powers which a lot of times get 
broken down into magic Elemental

424
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,400
type stuff in a mystical 
Supernatural type stuff, you 

425
00:21:09,408 --> 00:21:10,700
know. 
But they're that doesn't mean 

426
00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:12,700
they can't be crossed. 
Voiceover the gorgeous. 

427
00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:16,100
Martin's World works that way, 
but I, in my mind, I still feel 

428
00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:19,500
like there's different ways to 
tap into these Supernatural 

429
00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:22,200
Powers. 
Yeah, and one way is Green 

430
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,300
Scene. 
One way is blood-magic one way 

431
00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:27,300
is priest of real or, but a 
pre-civil or my. 

432
00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:29,400
Also, tap into blood match, 
certain someone, you know. 

433
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,800
So I totally agree. 
And I think in Melisandre and 

434
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,600
and what we know about valyria, 
it seems to be explicitly. 

435
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,900
True what you're saying? 
It's not, I think it's beyond 

436
00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:39,500
Theory at this point, like they 
say all blur and sorceries 

437
00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:43,600
rooted in Blood and Fire. 
Melisandre doing things. 

438
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,100
That clearly other Red Priest 
can't do or pretty. 

439
00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,100
Clearly are the Red Priest can 
do but they all have other like 

440
00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:49,700
fire magic. 
That they seem to all have in 

441
00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:51,400
common, so yeah, I totally 
agree. 

442
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,700
It's like you can cross the 
streams like Ghostbusters 

443
00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:56,800
reference there. 
And a lot of times, there's this

444
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,600
idea of like, which religion is 
real or who the one true God is.

445
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,400
Even if there is only one that's
real or one, true God, which I 

446
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,400
suspect in the first place? 
It still doesn't mean there 

447
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,200
can't be different beliefs or 
factions that tap into. 

448
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:14,800
To the magic differently, right?
Have different rituals or 

449
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,200
understand. 
He's behind it for that one. 

450
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,500
God is the real true God? 
But some other, God could still 

451
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,400
truly exist and have power. 
And if you know they're not, 

452
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,000
they don't have to be mutually 
exclusive. 

453
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,900
And maybe if you are more 
honorable, to one guide, you'll 

454
00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:29,900
get printed more powerful. 
Yeah. 

455
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:33,300
Maybe Melisandre gets more from 
real or because she's more 

456
00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:36,200
devout, but it still doesn't 
mean she can't also get 

457
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,700
something from Shadow binding or
whatever. 

458
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:40,100
Absolutely, totally agree. 
Yeah, well said on top of all 

459
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:42,400
that, there's also Chance and 
coincidence. 

460
00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:46,500
Yeah, one might be, might just 
happen or be misunderstood or be

461
00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:50,500
manipulated, like Melisandre. 
It's not a stretch of a guest 

462
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,600
that draw for he's gonna die, 
right? 

463
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,600
Wreck her predicting. 
Joffrey's, death is not that, 

464
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,600
you know, like she could just 
get lucky on that, he's predict 

465
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,100
a bunch of stuff that's probably
going to happen. 

466
00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:02,000
Anyway. 
And then, once that happens, you

467
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,000
claim you for the class right 
fortune-teller trick. 

468
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,500
Yeah, yeah that's a good we know
Melisandre, has that type of 

469
00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:09,300
thing. 
Other people might also whether 

470
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:11,100
they even realize it or not, 
they might. 

471
00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:15,100
Just be you have a passionate 
feeling that they call a 

472
00:23:15,108 --> 00:23:18,300
prediction but it's really 
because their subconscious 

473
00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:21,100
understands it is true. 
Yeah, we're likely or whatever. 

474
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:23,900
Yeah, and to make matters more 
complicated Melisandre says, 

475
00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:26,200
there's power in King's, blood 
will discuss that more in detail

476
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,500
later in the episode. 
But just to introduce that 

477
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:31,600
concept and say, well she 
implying or saying the different

478
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,100
types of blood produced 
different magical results like 

479
00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:35,500
well you need Kings blood for 
this one. 

480
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:39,500
But for that spell, you need the
blood of a cobbler, you know? 

481
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:42,700
Or Man or something. 
I don't know. 

482
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:46,500
Or a child or a virgin. 
Yeah, there's like we've all 

483
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:50,400
heard the stories like already. 
There's an assumption right? 

484
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,300
That human blood is going to be 
more powerful than goats blood. 

485
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:54,000
Yeah. 
Whatever. 

486
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,200
Absolutely Tango Tango. 
Yeah. 

487
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,300
So, what else should try this? 
Yeah. 

488
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:03,900
A normal human more powerful 
than the king of all goes to 

489
00:24:03,908 --> 00:24:05,800
make an even more complicated 
here. 

490
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,500
Thanks. 
So we have examples from the 

491
00:24:10,508 --> 00:24:12,800
distant past. 
Past when sacrifices involved, 

492
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,600
where we just don't know. 
Whether there was a magical 

493
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,900
result, right? 
Like, there's all these stories 

494
00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:21,300
of hundreds of captives were 
sacrificed like, well, the me 

495
00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:22,500
there was magic as a result of 
that. 

496
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:25,800
We don't know, like how would 
the Citadel know thousand years 

497
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,600
later. 
They may have said magical 

498
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,700
things happen, but the Citadel 
may not believe it, they just 

499
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:31,000
write it down as they. 
Well, that's what they said 

500
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,100
happened. 
I don't know. 

501
00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:35,300
I'm not here to challenge it, 
but so that's kind of our 

502
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:37,800
groundwork for this in World 
explanation. 

503
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,700
It's all, it's a partial anyway,
and the readers World building 

504
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:43,700
perspective is It works. 
It serves as both of those but 

505
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:46,700
on a story level for the again 
World characters and how they 

506
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:51,300
view it and for how it serves. 
The story blood magic is a form 

507
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,800
of power in a story that has a 
lot to do with power themes of 

508
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,500
control on both the Grand and 
personal scale are abundant. 

509
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:02,300
It certainly comes up a lot in 
Valerie, Reedus as a theme, we 

510
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:05,100
discussed that. 
I feel like one out of every 

511
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:10,000
three or four episodes, it comes
up in detail and in passing the 

512
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,400
rest of the time, you're not. 
An unlikely to have encountered 

513
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,500
discussions on Power and Game of
Thrones A Song of Ice and Fire. 

514
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:19,300
Well, before you ever found us 
not to mention, you may have 

515
00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,200
just noticed that on your own 
and thought about it quite a 

516
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,600
bit. 
It has so many consequences, 

517
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:26,200
human consequences. 
And I don't just mean the 

518
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,700
sacrificial victims, though. 
Shout out to them, too. 

519
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:33,300
I mean, that blood magic is 
known and shown throughout the 

520
00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:36,000
story to have side effects on 
the user. 

521
00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:40,200
If not those around them, this 
is true for real power to and a 

522
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,800
fictional world. 
Or the real one, the pursuit of 

523
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,700
power can come at the cost of 
more fulfilling, Pursuits of 

524
00:25:47,708 --> 00:25:51,400
family of health, and happiness 
is often phrased as you sold 

525
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,800
your soul for power blood. 
Magic, is that sort of more 

526
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,000
literal, he's expressed but it's
a very similar concept. 

527
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,200
It's this the same. 
It's the bad version in a 

528
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,200
fantasy world. 
Those who achieve their power 

529
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,200
Centric goals. 
Are often unsatisfied, alienated

530
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,100
distracted by the need to 
maintain what they have, which 

531
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:12,500
often leads to a Nude pursuit of
power. 

532
00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:18,100
IE, the cycle begins Anew begins
again blood magic serves as a 

533
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:21,300
great metaphor for all this, a 
dark great metaphor for all 

534
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:22,900
this. 
It's more straightforward and 

535
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:25,800
brutal version of it. 
Where people and the occasional 

536
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,200
animal are sacrificed instead of
things, like trust, kindness, 

537
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,300
empathy joy, peace of mind, 
everything else you lose on the 

538
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,500
cyclical road to power, I 
decided like that speech from 

539
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:41,100
and or didn't I whether it's 
your Humanity. 

540
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,600
He or literal humans being 
sacrificed the costs are 

541
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,400
revolting to us. 
We know it's wrong to do it yet.

542
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,900
The payoffs are huge in terms of
defying the possible, not in 

543
00:26:51,908 --> 00:26:54,900
terms of things like wealth, or 
power, regular power, although 

544
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,000
those two may be, but in terms 
of just doing things that 

545
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,800
shouldn't be possible, defying 
reality, that's what makes it. 

546
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,900
So that's that's the big payoff 
with magic and in blood magic, 

547
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:05,500
in particular. 
Yeah, I was gonna say blood 

548
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:09,400
magic in particular because I 
think that in general magic 

549
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,400
should, like, for a good ride. 
You for good fantasy writing or 

550
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,900
whatever magic need to cost ya. 
If everyone could just do it 

551
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,900
willy-nilly it's not special. 
And they're also start to be 

552
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:21,700
like implications on how the 
world would work, they are hard 

553
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:25,500
to be realistic about, right? 
But when it requires a cost, it 

554
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:29,800
makes it more difficult to do 
more risky to do and to get a 

555
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,400
greater effect, it requires a 
greater cost like when that 

556
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,400
that's to me like the cross over
to blood magic. 

557
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,200
It's one thing if for magic you 
need to like Wait for the third 

558
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,600
full moon of the Year and have 
some Sagebrush or whatever. 

559
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,400
Yeah, but is that thing to have 
like kill your son or yeah, like

560
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,200
those are much different. 
I was sad, you familiar at all, 

561
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,900
Sean with Brandon Sanderson, 
three laws of magic. 

562
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,000
No, I know that Brandon 
Sanderson and I know the magic 

563
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,900
is part of his world where I 
would like to know. 

564
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:04,700
His really interesting is the 
second law is what is directly 

565
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,500
related to what you're saying. 
The second law is limitations 

566
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:10,400
greater. 
Powers just a simple equation. 

567
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,000
Just limitations greater than 
the powers themselves, but the 

568
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,900
first law and authors ability to
solve conflict with magic is 

569
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,900
directly proportional to how 
well, the reader understands 

570
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:24,600
said magic. 
Oh, that's and so, he's like 

571
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,800
metal rules for writing. 
Not so much my kids. 

572
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,300
Okay. 
Yes, the third law is and it's 

573
00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:30,600
just three simple laws with the 
third. 

574
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,100
One is expand what you already 
have. 

575
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:36,300
Before you add something new. 
Hmm. 

576
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:39,400
Yeah, it's just a little bit of 
Thing, but the I might have my 

577
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,800
point was the second law is I 
think maybe the one that George 

578
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800
leans on the most. 
The limitations being a point of

579
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,900
conflict because I think he 
surely has added he has added 

580
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,400
more new things and not expand 
in what he already has. 

581
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:57,100
I don't know. 
The third law also is ironic 

582
00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:01,300
that Brandon Sanderson performed
blood magic to learn. 

583
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:07,400
Those three rules to be From 
Another Dimension to give him 

584
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,900
that. 
Forbidden Knowledge. 

585
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:14,900
So it's also adjust the level of
defiance of reality that I think

586
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:17,400
matters. 
It's one thing to just conjure, 

587
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,200
a miniature burst of flame for 
nothing. 

588
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,100
That would be magic. 
If it came from nowhere without 

589
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:25,800
spark or anything compare that 
to like seeing the future, both 

590
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,800
are impossible, but one is, I 
do. 

591
00:29:29,808 --> 00:29:34,000
It just seems more impossible. 
You know, are just yeah, a lot 

592
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,300
more powerful either way. 
So both are impossible but one 

593
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,900
just seems A lot more useful and
Grand. 

594
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:44,000
And so when one there's starting
a fire in her hand out of 

595
00:29:44,008 --> 00:29:47,800
nothing, it seems like there's a
way to reproduce that even if 

596
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,000
it's not magic I could have some
like chemical that reacts 

597
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:51,800
shrimp. 
Yeah. 

598
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:54,000
Like shit. 
Yeah, I can cut but there's not 

599
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,400
like a trick. 
There's not some way to 

600
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:03,300
alternatively, predict a future 
in his chemical or you can use 

601
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,200
magic. 
You can do it with this weather 

602
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,000
is not some way to predict the 
future, other than that. 

603
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,300
Yeah, it's just My three simple 
Jack's to predict the yeah, I'm 

604
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:11,700
actually yeah actually. 
Right. 

605
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:14,700
Because I when I think about 
something like as a lot of 

606
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:17,900
Science Fiction and all that 
where it extrapolates, the 

607
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:21,300
natural step of being able to 
predict the future using 

608
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:23,100
science. 
And so yeah. 

609
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:25,300
They're actually, there 
definitely are, like a Sci-Fi 

610
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:27,800
world where even if there are 
like, theoretical ways to go 

611
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,500
about that, they're still hard 
to comprehend. 

612
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:32,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 
exactly. 

613
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Just like blows your mind as to 
what's possible. 

614
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:36,300
It's a great way to phrase it, 
Sean. 

615
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,800
So another way to think about 
this. 

616
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Stu literally speaking for 
comparing political power to 

617
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,800
blood, but to magical power. 
Blood magic is impossible. 

618
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,100
While political power is not, 
but in the real world in terms 

619
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:50,500
of achievability than that, any 
functional difference for you or

620
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:55,000
me or most of us, I'm not going 
to be wielding any great sort of

621
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,000
political power at any point in 
my life or any sort of blood me,

622
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,400
they're both completely out of 
tude. 

623
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,000
Yeah, not with that attitude. 
You're right. 

624
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,700
I've given up already. 
I still think I could be a great

625
00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:10,800
source. 
Some political power don't count

626
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,800
me out and that's part of why it
works. 

627
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:19,000
So well, in story format with my
blood because casting spells is 

628
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,400
unbelievable to me, but so is 
sitting the throne and ruling an

629
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,200
entire land and controlling the 
entire economy and whether they 

630
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,500
go to war and all the just and 
everything, like that's also 

631
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,600
just pretty unbelievable to me. 
So it fits really well in a 

632
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,000
story with grand elements like 
that even ones that are 

633
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,800
technically possible. 
People in the real world. 

634
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,300
And I again, I'm talking about a
real throne, not the iron 

635
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,200
throne, but throw that in there 
and gets all the cooler and 

636
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Grandeur. 
Again, I use the word Grand a 

637
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,400
lot today, but it works G. 
Yes, it's a grand topic. 

638
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,500
We're dealing with Darkly Grand.
And of course, those parallels 

639
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:58,800
are not the whole story, let's 
do as we, so often do go back 

640
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:00,700
quickly. 
We could do any back in time, 

641
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,400
examples, from myth, and Legend,
the story of his Aura, high and 

642
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,900
Nissa Nissa as has been 
expressed many times. 

643
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,800
On this show and elsewhere 
sounds a lot like blood magic 

644
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,500
does it? 
You're gonna first. 

645
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:14,700
It was just water. 
That wasn't blood magic trying 

646
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,100
to stop the, you know, cool to 
sort off with water. 

647
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:19,300
That's not blood magic, but then
cooling it off in the Heart of a

648
00:32:19,308 --> 00:32:21,600
Lion. 
It's getting pretty blood, magic

649
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,900
e and of course, you wonder how 
you made that leap? 

650
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:25,600
Like water didn't work. 
Let's try My Heart of a Lion. 

651
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,000
That's that's the natural next 
step in the progression. 

652
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000
Third step in the progression. 
Clearly is your lover. 

653
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,400
You go from water to Lion to 
lover. 

654
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,500
Everybody knows that's the 123 
process for forging just 

655
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:41,200
hallways. 
Skipped over hamster too. 

656
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,400
Hard of a snake that doesn't 
seem to us. 

657
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,700
They couldn't get the job done. 
Even though he can deconstructed

658
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:52,300
this story many times in many 
different ways as Laura. 

659
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,900
Hi, we don't go too far with 
that as our high. 

660
00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:59,200
Even if it was an evil deed as 
or a high wasn't an evil person,

661
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:02,400
I don't think I think as or 
higher was it wasn't doing this 

662
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,700
for malice or personal gain. 
They were doing it to save the 

663
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,300
world they just did it wrong. 
Or maybe they didn't do it 

664
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:09,800
wrong. 
I don't know. 

665
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,100
It just it seems wrong to us. 
Nina says the story of his Aura.

666
00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:15,500
High raises the fundamental 
question with any sacrificial 

667
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:18,400
Magic, including blood magic 
when if ever is it okay to 

668
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,000
sacrifice? 
Another person. 

669
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:23,400
For the sake of specific magical
ends, if Davos may be the 

670
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,600
closest thing, the books have to
have moral Center is horrified 

671
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,700
and disgusted by the story of 
his Aura, High sacrifice of his 

672
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:31,600
wife. 
It suggests to me, the author 

673
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,600
disagrees with the morality of 
his oratory as well. 

674
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:36,800
Like George is kind of 
telegraphing that, yes, he 

675
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,400
doesn't agree with this. 
The goodness of this either. 

676
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:41,300
It's not. 
Okay to sacrifice someone else. 

677
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,600
Even to save the world is, 
perhaps the message that he's 

678
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,600
putting forth here or at least 
he recognizes, it's a conundrum.

679
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Yes, right. 
Yes, because a lot of times even

680
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,400
like the most quote-unquote, 
noble, or good characters, 

681
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,700
they're still flawed, there may 
be still making a mistake that 

682
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:00,200
people might suffer from in 
their attempts to be good. 

683
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,900
That's something that George 
does, right? 

684
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:04,100
And I've death round this 
before. 

685
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:07,300
When we talked about, the idea 
of this world is just different 

686
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:09,900
and armor. 
Morality not might not apply if 

687
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,600
you really could sacrifice 
someone to cure cancer or 

688
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,100
whatever, you know, but I 
thought of this is another way 

689
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,699
to express it. 
Let's say that if someone could 

690
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:23,100
kill an innocent person and it 
would save cancer a cancer. 

691
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:24,300
No, no, we're trying to get rid 
of it. 

692
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,800
Let's say that. 
That is wrong or bad, but 

693
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,800
someone feels like it's worth 
it, even though it's wrong or 

694
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,600
bad. 
Then I think that person if I 

695
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,500
think it's worth killing, this 
innocent person to save 

696
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,600
everyone. 
Well, I should also think it's 

697
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,199
worth sacrificing myself. 
Yeah, they've ever. 

698
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,600
Yes, exactly. 
So I should be willing to face 

699
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000
the death penalty. 
I kill this innocent person. 

700
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,000
Everyone's cure to cancer, then 
I'm put to death for murder. 

701
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:05,700
That's Yeah, what happened? 
Yeah, right. 

702
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:08,400
Yeah, I think I mean the person 
who was killed on willingly for 

703
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,700
saved to cure cancer might not 
be the most happy person there 

704
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:17,100
but maybe that person was also a
willing participant in the 

705
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,600
activity and said yeah hey kill 
me to save ever you know, it's 

706
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,300
called exactly that's why I'm 
saying that's the case but I you

707
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,800
know I do think there's an 
argument where yeah, even if 

708
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,200
that person was unwilling to 
curing cancer. 

709
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:32,800
Yeah. 
Part of the store to is how is 

710
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,900
Freddie? 
There was like, well, damn. 

711
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:37,900
And did this, maybe they will. 
Maybe she brought the idea to 

712
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:41,700
him in the first place. 
You know, maybe she said, hey do

713
00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:43,000
it on me. 
This will save the world, you 

714
00:35:43,008 --> 00:35:44,700
know, and he's like no I can't 
do that. 

715
00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:47,600
So yeah, it s still being evil 
deed but if she's just like 

716
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,000
you're just as he just swung the
sword, you know, like is that we

717
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,300
don't call the hangman a 
murderer when they're doing 

718
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,100
Justice, right? 
And if not that this was 

719
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,700
necessarily justice. 
But again it's a it adds another

720
00:35:58,700 --> 00:36:00,500
angle to the conundrum aspect, 
to it all. 

721
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,000
But we're also getting a little 
bit away from blood magic with 

722
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,700
that. 
The Bloodstone Emperor. 

723
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,800
We go to the great Empire of the
Dawn stuff that's apparently 

724
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,400
necromancy is what he was 
accused of and dark arts, which 

725
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,700
could include blood magic. 
I would given the overlap and 

726
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,100
difficulty of categorization, 
probably some blood magic going 

727
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:22,200
on. 
But it's interesting to think 

728
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,700
about that dead bodies. 
If they've been dead long enough

729
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,700
don't have blood in the middle, 
right? 

730
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:28,900
Or is that? 
I don't know how that would be 

731
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:30,800
classified scientifically. 
There be Trace. 

732
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,300
When does it stop being below, 
like cold hands? 

733
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:36,600
It's all congealed. 
Holden Frozen and yeah, I don't 

734
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800
know that. 
Maybe, maybe I'm speaking out of

735
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,900
turn with that. 
We gotta ask, we got to ask 

736
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:46,900
throws into have a line for 
Barak versus lady stoneheart. 

737
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,600
True, that's true. 
There's a Tales of Garth 

738
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,700
greenhand demanding blood 
sacrifice. 

739
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:55,700
It's another take on the old 
stories because there and this 

740
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,900
gets into with the whole like 
crops and fertility versus 

741
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:01,100
sacrifice and whether that's 
forms of blood magic because 

742
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:03,900
that's all that is wrapped up in
the legend of Guardians. 

743
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,200
In the myth of Garth greenhand 
of everywhere. 

744
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,200
He goes fertility. 
Happens is like well, is he how 

745
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,600
exactly is it happening? 
Is it just he's walking around 

746
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,400
and wherever he goes my like 
lower more like Garth red hand. 

747
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,900
Now, it's actually grosser than 
that, it's Garth Brown. 

748
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:23,800
And yes, think about what helps 
crop do. 

749
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,700
So I'll talk about soil, get 
your head, your head out this 

750
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:37,300
way. 
Connecting Garth greenhand with 

751
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:41,900
Legends of the old gods which 
maybe there's a more of a 

752
00:37:41,908 --> 00:37:44,600
connection there than is 
generally expressed. 

753
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,400
Yeah. 
Is it blood magic to offer 

754
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:53,500
sacrifice to a weirwood? 
If the trees hunger for blood is

755
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:56,300
that just is that magic? 
Or is that just they're hungry? 

756
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,600
That's a sustenance. 
This is our magical. 

757
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:03,100
The trees are already magical is
giving them food more magic or 

758
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:06,200
that's just food magic when 
vampires eat. 

759
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,500
That's exactly the question. 
I'm asking, is it blood magic 

760
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:10,900
when vampires eat? 
I would say no. 

761
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:14,800
That's just eating the magic 
came about in creating them in 

762
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,600
the first place but not just 
it's not magic to sit down to 

763
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,400
breakfast. 
Although breakfast can be pretty

764
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,400
darned. 
Magical but you maybe you could 

765
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,600
argue. 
It's Magic to keep the undead 

766
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,900
alive and way you do that is by 
feeding them blood interesting 

767
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:29,600
environment. 
Yeah, and yeah. 

768
00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,800
And again you see why this is 
Tricky by the way. 

769
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,000
So folks I didn't include it in 
the episode but there's like a 

770
00:38:35,008 --> 00:38:37,400
page and a half at the end of 
this episode document which is 

771
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,200
about 18 pages long today. 
I think where I just tried to 

772
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,900
write out all the forms of magic
that exists in this world, of 

773
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:46,700
really took me back to my 
Dungeons and Dragons days. 

774
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,800
Yeah, we're just like everything
is classified also. 

775
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:54,200
It's Anderson with his magic 
systems as well as you include 

776
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,800
the magic of reading of 
imagination. 

777
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,300
No. 
But I should have greatest magic

778
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:01,400
of the mall. 
Big oversight on my part. 

779
00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,700
Yeah, there's some cool ones. 
Like, Shadow Magic is Umbra 

780
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:07,800
Mansi. 
But George just thought Shadow 

781
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,000
binding sounds cooler. 
Yeah, I think he's drunk. 

782
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,300
He's right data. 
Mining does sound. 

783
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,100
Yeah, but yeah, there's a lot of
them, a lot of forms, like, 

784
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:16,700
things that he mentions that 
never, we don't actually see 

785
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:19,500
anywhere like arrow man. 
See, although, maybe when the 

786
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,800
red Priest control, the wind for
that. 

787
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Could be arrow, man. 
See it weather control? 

788
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,900
Maybe that's what are romancey 
or, yeah. 

789
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,200
All sorts of cool stuff like 
that. 

790
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,100
So fun fun. 
There's more magic in Planet 

791
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:33,700
toast than a lot of people 
credit. 

792
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,000
There's just a lot of it just as
an inclusion, the story. 

793
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,300
I think bran could taste the 
blood in that Vision that he was

794
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,900
having and he was put there 
after drinking the weirwood 

795
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,000
paste, which may have had blood 
in it, more on that later, but 

796
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,800
he was already in the vision 
when he tasted. 

797
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:52,300
The Bloods was the magic already
in play and he's just, and 

798
00:39:52,308 --> 00:39:54,600
again, that's just tasting it. 
That doesn't necessarily imply 

799
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,800
magic. 
Although, the magic might be why

800
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,100
he's tasting it. 
Or maybe it's just 

801
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,500
psychosomatic. 
I'd probably not say might imply

802
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:03,600
that it is blood-magic. 
Yes, that's what I think. 

803
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,100
Yeah. 
So I kind of lean towards. 

804
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:08,600
No, I'm not being blood magic, 
but if jojen pays, if that 

805
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,500
theory turns out true and that's
jojen in there, then that's 

806
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,300
pretty clearly a form of blood 
magic. 

807
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,800
He drank that. 
And he started seeing the past, 

808
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,200
like that's divination. 
Action. 

809
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:23,000
Which is divination is just 
seeing things that you should be

810
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,400
able to see surge what Cersei 
expressed from Magic Maggie 

811
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,700
frog, that was divination. 
She took a blood drop of blood 

812
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:30,600
from her finger, told your 
future. 

813
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:37,700
So this sounds similar drink 
jojen, see the past and drink, 

814
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,100
you know, Maggie drinks your 
finger and sees the future. 

815
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:43,200
It's yeah. 
Mmm, Nina does not believe in 

816
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,200
jojen Pay. 
She thinks it's just meant to be

817
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,100
chilling and scary, but he's not
literally eating his friend 

818
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:54,500
there, which yeah, I mean, 
Boring Anita says, but still 

819
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:57,000
that could come down to a 
philosophical Point me. 

820
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,700
Semantics whether or not that's 
blood magic or not, if the trees

821
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:03,100
exist because of blood in the 
first place, it's the same thing

822
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:05,100
like chicken or the egg kind of 
question. 

823
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:10,100
There's also these stories like 
of The Pact era that it requires

824
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,600
blood sacrifice to Open the Eyes
of a Heart Tree or wear 

825
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,200
anywhere. 
Wood. 

826
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,400
That's got a face carved into it
and has to have a sacrifice 

827
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,100
accompanied with it. 
This is a vague Legend. 

828
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,400
We don't know if it's true. 
We don't know if they just do 

829
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,900
that, they're like, well, the 
eyes are going to open anyway, 

830
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:25,800
but we also would like to kick 
it off with a sacrifice as well.

831
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,400
You know, the magic isn't 
actually happening, there is an 

832
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,500
actually magical result, but 
they do blood sacrifice because 

833
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:34,800
they do blood sacrifice. 
They've always done it and they 

834
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,700
just keep doing it. 
It and that is a really 

835
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:40,100
important distinction, whether 
it's just a sacrifice because 

836
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,600
that's something they believe in
or whether there's actually a 

837
00:41:42,607 --> 00:41:45,300
magical result from that 
sacrifice and the, where was 

838
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:47,700
presented with a conundrum 
because we get into questions of

839
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:50,400
whether they're just eating 
whether there's actual magic 

840
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,800
going on. 
Whether there would just be a 

841
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,200
dormant tree without that blood,
we don't know. 

842
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:59,800
But definitely touches on the 
subject definitely includes 

843
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,600
itself. 
Definitely might be more overlap

844
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,400
than we've got old greenseers 
dead and Living in those trees. 

845
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,600
Maybe that wouldn't work without
blood probably still would but 

846
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,000
maybe the blood spilt hundreds 
of years ago and he's rituals is

847
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,200
still powering it to this day, 
right? 

848
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,100
Lasted forever or so long that 
it feels like forever. 

849
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:26,600
So maybe I mean magic has worn 
off like at some point the north

850
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,300
stop sacrificing bodies to the 
trees and at some point it seems

851
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:35,500
like magic and North was 
stronger than it is now Man, 

852
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,300
what you get for? 
Not sacrificing any more. 

853
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:43,900
Yeah, so let's go to valyria 
where it's a lot more explicit 

854
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:47,200
and it's this guesswork as to 
whether they were using it. 

855
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,200
In more about guesswork into 
what specific ways, they were 

856
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,700
using. 
It Melisandre seems to reveal in

857
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:55,000
her chapter that certain places 
give off more magical energy 

858
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,700
than others one would presume 
that applies to blood magic as 

859
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:00,200
well. 
It seems like likely to apply to

860
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,000
all forms of magic but until we 
know otherwise That's How we'll 

861
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Conceived it fourteen Flames, 
probably a place like that 

862
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,500
probably or maybe some areas 
around them. 

863
00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:14,400
Some volcanoes may have that 
inherently pyromancy and blood 

864
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,700
magic combine. 
This is Marwan seems to confirm.

865
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,800
Now he flat out says all blurry 
and sorcery is rooted in Blood 

866
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,800
and fire straight up, just 
utters that sentence. 

867
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,100
All learn sorcery is rooted in 
blood or fire. 

868
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,400
Similar to real orgasm in some 
cases, but there's more of the 

869
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,200
Ombre man. 
See the Shadow Magic involved 

870
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,200
with them. 
It's maybe more pyromancy and 

871
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,900
Shadow Magic with a little bit 
of little bit of blood mixed in 

872
00:43:35,908 --> 00:43:38,000
here. 
And there, perhaps in has the 

873
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,100
dragon viserys points out, the 
inaugural on, which is a 

874
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:45,700
sorceress edifice, which was a 
blood magic headquarters of 

875
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:49,700
sorts and had proximity to one 
of the Fourteen Flames whichever

876
00:43:49,700 --> 00:43:53,800
of the Fourteen Flames, the 
capital was built around or 

877
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,100
attached to Perhaps it's also 
gave them proximity to the 

878
00:43:58,100 --> 00:44:02,600
burrowing fireworms that maybe 
the genetic seed for Dragons or 

879
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,700
half of the genetic component 
for dragons. 

880
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,500
We also know as we've talked 
about in other places, they've 

881
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:12,000
created new species. 
This seems to be very distinctly

882
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,400
form of blood magic, connecting 
DNA and tissue and things. 

883
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,500
That shouldn't be possible. 
Again, that's the heart of magic

884
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:24,300
is making the impossible 
possible making a dragon to a 

885
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:29,100
lion shouldn't be possible. 
Even with modern DNA techniques,

886
00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:32,300
that kind of thing is not 
impossible but only on a very 

887
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,800
small scale like on the cellular
level very thing or not are not 

888
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,900
attaching Liz. 
Heard Tales to Lions again yet 

889
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:39,700
yet. 
Yeah. 

890
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,700
That's where you lizard line 
from by the way. 

891
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:47,700
And they supposedly made it 
humans to animals, such as like,

892
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,200
those aren't walking around to 
this day that we know of. 

893
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,400
Hey like what what yes it's your
clothes mind is just because you

894
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:00,700
haven't seen it. 
Let's recall this great quote 

895
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:04,600
from our good friend, septon 
Barth and septum barthes dragons

896
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,700
worms and wyverns He speculated 
that the blood Mages have 

897
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:11,000
buleria used wyvern stock to 
create dragons though. 

898
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,800
The blood Mages were alleged to 
have experiments in mightily 

899
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,400
with their unnatural Arts. 
This claim is considered 

900
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,800
far-fetched by most, by most 
maesters. 

901
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,700
Not just by most by most 
maesters an important 

902
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:25,200
distinction there. 
We don't find it, far-fetched at

903
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,600
all. 
And I think most readers that 

904
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,100
have looked into this. 
Don't find it far-fetched septon

905
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:33,000
bars record on such things as 
extremely good so it's another 

906
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,000
reason to trust him over the 
maesters, he Study dragons way 

907
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,800
more than the maesters have to 
in our interview with George 

908
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,100
r.r. 
Martin, he suggested that 

909
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:45,100
practitioners of blood magic 
were like the dragonlords in 

910
00:45:45,100 --> 00:45:50,500
that they used incest to keep 
certain traits active which 

911
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:53,800
means they passed rates down to 
their Descendants, the same 

912
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,800
Source or E could be at the root
of both whatever sorcery allows 

913
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,600
dragons to continue to bond with
dragonlords and has they have a 

914
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,700
predisposition towards bonding 
with them and etcetera? 

915
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:11,300
That could be some ancient 
rituals ancient magic that 

916
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,800
affected someone's DNA. 
And has been passed down to 

917
00:46:14,808 --> 00:46:17,900
their descendants ever since 
perhaps it needs renewal every 

918
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,700
once in a while, or perhaps. 
It's just semi-permanent. 

919
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:24,000
One example, is the Targaryen 
enhanced to disease, resistance,

920
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:26,300
quote, there was fire in the 
blood of the Dragon. 

921
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:29,200
It was reasoned a purifying fire
that burned out all such 

922
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,400
plagues. 
This one even the maesters 

923
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,700
attest to and of course we see 
in Daniel 2, says it as well. 

924
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,500
I think it's a storm storage 
where she's not worried about 

925
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,300
getting the bloody flux or the 
pale mayor. 

926
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:41,100
Because of what she's been told 
about targaryens. 

927
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:43,000
He is that she isn't 
particularly believe in 

928
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,100
Targaryen disease resistance. 
It might be the case that 

929
00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:47,100
Valyrian descendants, like the 
targaryens have a higher 

930
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:49,500
immunity than other people's in 
that universe. 

931
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:53,200
But there's other targaryens. 
You have died from earner 

932
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,100
ordinary diseases later on. 
So, maybe maybe either it was 

933
00:46:57,100 --> 00:46:59,000
just lots of health, their 
Royals. 

934
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,300
And so they have great 
sanitation and other things that

935
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:02,900
maybe give them a better 
outcome. 

936
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:05,600
But I don't know. 
I'm not sure I agree with you on

937
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,200
this one. 
I feel like there's Not evidence

938
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,200
to suggest there is some magic 
but she's right to cast some 

939
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,900
doubt on it because it's 
certainly not a sure thing. 

940
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,200
If you think of magic as wrapped
up in DNA, like if you could 

941
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,000
have magic passed on genetically
it could still be like many 

942
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,800
other genetic traits. 
Your hair color height or 

943
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,300
something like that, where it's 
in your genes and you may have 

944
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:32,500
it or maybe more likely to have 
it or may have more of it but 

945
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:34,000
you don't always have a 
completely. 

946
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000
Yeah. 
Okay. 

947
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,200
Yeah. 
If someone in your Your history 

948
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,900
is someone in your genetic line 
had one here you might go two or

949
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:44,800
three generations of brunettes 
mating and still not having a 

950
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,500
blond child. 
But then one time you do and 

951
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,700
it's because that trait were 
just in there but recessive. 

952
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:51,100
Yeah. 
So you could have something 

953
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,500
because the valyrians, they're 
not all pure blood. 

954
00:47:54,500 --> 00:48:00,200
They have Bloodlines mixed with 
bratton's and dornish, and who 

955
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,400
knows whatever all let the 
random mutation Beast. 

956
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,000
Yeah, that too. 
Right? 

957
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,100
So it could just be stronger and
Danny and Lucky. 

958
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,400
This is making this assumption 
even though it's not a given, 

959
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,100
but other people other 
targaryens have fallen. 

960
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:14,800
Like, Nina has said that, you 
know, it could be killed, could 

961
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,300
be magical and their tendency, 
but they're so exceptions. 

962
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:19,000
Yeah, I like that take. 
Yeah. 

963
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,700
So it sounds like an ear. 
Sure thing at the ruler in 

964
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:24,100
Freehold, not only promoted and 
encourage the use of blood 

965
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:25,600
magic, but became very Advanced 
at it. 

966
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,600
Like you don't have this. 
Of course, it's just how the 

967
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,400
dragon, maybe George didn't see 
it this way, but you probably 

968
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,400
dead because of how much 
coordination you had with Ryan 

969
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,900
condal in those guys that they 
were up there at the top of 

970
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:38,100
society. 
They weren't like a corner of 

971
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:40,100
society doing their own thing. 
They were kind of shunned and 

972
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:42,900
just left alone. 
Know, they were they'd Social 

973
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:44,800
Hour. 
They had their elevated, right? 

974
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,000
They were considered top 
citizens. 

975
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,200
Apparently not as top as the 
dragonlords I suppose. 

976
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,400
But there's some overlap there. 
They're probably dragonlords. 

977
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,400
You use blood magic because we 
definitely have some of the 

978
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,700
dragonlords using magic directly
themselves. 

979
00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:59,700
It wasn't just a matter of like 
their underlings did all the 

980
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,700
magic that some of them have the
abilities themselves. 

981
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:04,700
Maybe some of the maybe that's 
why the targaryens were near the

982
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:06,200
bottom. 
Is that some of the other 

983
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,700
families A lot more going on in 
their bloodlines than just 

984
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:11,900
Dragon bonding. 
They could also greater 

985
00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:16,000
proximity and aptitude for 
certain forms of magic like this

986
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,800
one particularly this one 
surveillance or reading and 

987
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,200
future. 
Maybe not that one. 

988
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,300
Since their targaryens, the only
ones who got out of there on 

989
00:49:23,300 --> 00:49:28,500
time but still still, I your 
right to throw names out there 

990
00:49:28,500 --> 00:49:31,200
and some of those would probably
stick if we knew better, the 

991
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,100
Valyrian steel. 
Perfect example. 

992
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:37,400
Lots of evidence that sacrifice 
is involved in It directly 

993
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,600
sacrificing people to create 
whatever effect enables the 

994
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,200
steel to function the way it 
does to be so light to bees, 

995
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:47,100
keep its Edge, so well to cut. 
So well to have fire in it. 

996
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:49,500
Do whatever, magical properties,
Valyrian steel has, might be as 

997
00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,700
a result of this. 
Blood Magic Ritual, that is 

998
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,800
attached to these murders and 
there is likely a very dark 

999
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,500
concept here. 
Very troubling, is that? 

1000
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:04,900
Yeah, the valyrians had kind of 
unlimited numbers of animal and 

1001
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:07,900
human subjects to force these 
It's on which is part of why 

1002
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:10,600
they got so good at it. 
They could just do whatever they

1003
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,600
wanted and eventually it have 
reproducible results. 

1004
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,000
Horriffic, reproducible results 
on animal and human subjects 

1005
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,600
that which they could then build
on and learn even more and go 

1006
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,700
even farther. 
It's a good thing this country 

1007
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:31,200
exploded and and it's probably 
why the exploded State this 

1008
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,600
country found itself in is still
magically toxic things like a 

1009
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,100
Rhea happen. 
Inning and all are such a weird 

1010
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:41,400
things that still go on there. 
There's still like rituals that 

1011
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,200
were in progress that were left 
undone. 

1012
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,000
So there's magical fall out, 
like it's kind of like, 

1013
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
radiation. 
I love that metaphor for it, 

1014
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,200
which, by the way, creates more 
mutations in genetics mutations 

1015
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,000
radioactivity, so that would be 
another thing that maybe that 

1016
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,400
would be why there's so many 
strange results in valyria, not 

1017
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,800
just the magical 
experimentation, but proximity 

1018
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,500
to the results of these 
experiments and other forms of 

1019
00:51:06,508 --> 00:51:10,100
Of magic might have a side 
effect like drinking the water 

1020
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:13,300
if you live in a drink water 
from a certain Lake that has 

1021
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:16,300
certain elements in it, it might
have been a long-term effect on 

1022
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:17,500
you. 
Same thing, you live near a 

1023
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:19,100
volcano, you live near blood 
magic. 

1024
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,000
You live near these things. 
Well what does that do to you 

1025
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,800
Melisandre has changed over time
viral or by her following her 

1026
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,400
lore. 
But also by being, you know, way

1027
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,300
older than a person is supposed 
to be, you get the feeling 

1028
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:31,900
that's happening. 
People like Thoreau says, well, 

1029
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:38,200
just the use of magic changes 
you maybe mutates, you Now, the 

1030
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,800
inheritors of this tradition, of
course, valyria blew up, but 

1031
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,300
there are still a lot of cities 
around the world that have some 

1032
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:48,300
of that knowledge and still use 
it. 

1033
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,800
Kogasa toes. 
I've outright called that 

1034
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,900
episode that we did on gases, 
good Gatos the city of blood 

1035
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,300
magic because it's such an 
explicit part of what happened 

1036
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:58,200
there. 
It was, it was a function of the

1037
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,100
city for quite a while. 
And then, once they were 

1038
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:04,300
independent, they took it to 
another level. 

1039
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:06,600
I have suspicions about the city
of mantar. 

1040
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,800
He's given its validity. 
Korean Heritage and the fact 

1041
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,200
that there's two headed people 
there and all sorts of weirdness

1042
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,600
that sounds like radioactive 
magical fall out and they're 

1043
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,100
right on the edge of the 
Valyrian Doom Zone. 

1044
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:21,900
The city was just far away 
enough to not quite be swallowed

1045
00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:26,500
up, but close enough to have 
been affected its blood magic or

1046
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:29,300
certain results of it can be 
passed down genetically. 

1047
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,000
And there's a lot of potential 
ramifications for now because 

1048
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,400
the valyrians would have spread 
those genetics all over the 

1049
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,000
world. 
We spoke in a few times about 

1050
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,600
the Persistence of genetic 
traits in West, Rossi families, 

1051
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,300
right? 
Maybe this is a similar, some 

1052
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,500
form of Magic. 
The dragon lord families have 

1053
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:47,400
their purple hair or purple 
hair, purple eyes and silver 

1054
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,200
gold hairs and all that. 
That could be magic. 

1055
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,800
That could be like magically 
altered genetics, that stayed in

1056
00:52:52,808 --> 00:52:54,900
place. 
I don't think we ever called 

1057
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:56,900
that blood match. 
We talked about it before but it

1058
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,600
I would think that's what you 
would call it. 

1059
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Something that permanently 
resides in the DNA and affects 

1060
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:07,200
how your genetic expression 
Works Magic on that levels. 

1061
00:53:07,500 --> 00:53:09,100
Kind of cool. 
Think about like this, the 

1062
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,400
fusion of Science and Magic 
because you have to understand 

1063
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,600
science to write it that way I 
think and some level And it's 

1064
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,000
possible to borrow. 
I some of these cities still 

1065
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,300
practice blood magic is in part 
because certain families have 

1066
00:53:22,500 --> 00:53:24,600
certain protected. 
Incestuous Bloodlines like you 

1067
00:53:24,607 --> 00:53:28,700
said Sean maybe just record 
after 100 years or 200 years a 

1068
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:33,100
very random rare very recessive 
trait popped up like the 

1069
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:35,500
dragonlords of valyria some of 
these blood magic traits may 

1070
00:53:35,500 --> 00:53:38,200
have popped up here and there 
maybe the fact that the 

1071
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,700
Lannisters have had green eyes 
and golden hair for thousands of

1072
00:53:41,707 --> 00:53:45,400
years is of ancient blood magic 
or the fact that the Stark's 

1073
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,300
kind of have had a look for so 
long that doesn't jive with 

1074
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,400
real-world genetics at all. 
Now sometimes we just hand wave 

1075
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,800
and say well George wrote his 
the next differently, it's not 

1076
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,200
earth. 
They can, he can do how we once 

1077
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,600
it's not that different but 
maybe there's a magical 

1078
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,200
explanation for it. 
Could be, could be absolutely 

1079
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,200
could be one of the best 
examples for a city that still 

1080
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:11,000
has these Traditions cohort or 
quote in folklore. 

1081
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,900
Even as far as Westeros cohort, 
is sometimes known as the city 

1082
00:54:15,900 --> 00:54:18,500
of sorcerers for. 
It is widely believed that the 

1083
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:22,700
dark arts are practiced here, 
even to this day, divination, 

1084
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:26,900
blood, magic and necromancy. 
Are whispered of though, such 

1085
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:32,000
reports can seldom be proved One
truth remains Undisputed. 

1086
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,700
However, the dark God of cohort,
the deity known as the black 

1087
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:41,400
goat demands, daily, blood 
sacrifice, Cavs, Bullock's and 

1088
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,500
horses are the animals most 
often brought for the black 

1089
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:49,600
goats altars, but on holy days, 
condemned criminals. 

1090
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:53,700
Go beneath the knives of his 
cowled priests and in times of 

1091
00:54:53,700 --> 00:54:57,600
danger and crisis, it is written
that the high Nobles of the city

1092
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,100
offer up their own children. 
To placate the God that he might

1093
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:06,000
defend the city, the real-world 
version of that story, I think 

1094
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,300
comes from ancient Carthage. 
The Romans claim the 

1095
00:55:08,308 --> 00:55:11,200
carthaginians did these things 
course, Romans also destroyed 

1096
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,000
all the carthaginian histories, 
so we don't know for sure, 

1097
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,400
whether that's just what they 
believed about the carthaginians

1098
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,400
or what was actually going on. 
Anyway, it's a good example of 

1099
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,200
the blurry line between regular 
old superstitious Human 

1100
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,800
Sacrifice. 
The kind that has happened in 

1101
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,900
the real world and magically 
functional blood sorcery. 

1102
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,100
Very similar to sacrificing to 
the trees are the gods 

1103
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:33,900
demanding. 
These sacrifices are they truly 

1104
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:36,300
sated by them? 
Maybe maybe they are. 

1105
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:39,100
Maybe there's people who are 
having dreams of the black goat 

1106
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,100
and it's so compelling that they
feel it's real. 

1107
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,600
Maybe it is real Beyond the Wall
during the Great ranging. 

1108
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,400
They see evidence of child 
sacrifice to the where Woods, as

1109
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,100
well, even in current times, not
to mention what craster's doing 

1110
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:52,700
which is very explicitly. 
Child sacrifice giving his 

1111
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:55,000
children was male children to 
the others. 

1112
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,500
Is that blood magic or is that 
something? 

1113
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:00,500
I think it's definitely child 
sacrifice but does that count as

1114
00:56:00,508 --> 00:56:03,800
blood magic? 
I don't know, I don't know. 

1115
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,500
This is where Valyrian steel can
be reworked cohort some claim. 

1116
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:12,400
The secrets of Valyrian steel 
are still known and if that's 

1117
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,000
not fully true it's where the 
most of the secrets are held 

1118
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,900
apparently cohort knows the most
about that table home 'at the 

1119
00:56:17,908 --> 00:56:23,200
one who reforged ice is co horik
for example and here's a quote 

1120
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,100
from the world of Ice and Fire 
that takes a little closer 

1121
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,200
Meister. 
Paul's Treatise on cork 

1122
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,700
metalworking written during 
several years of residence in 

1123
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:35,400
the free City reveals just how 
Jealously the secrets are 

1124
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,700
guarded, he was Thrice publicly 
whipped and cast out from the 

1125
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:42,200
city for making too many 
inquiries. 

1126
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:48,100
The final time his hand was also
removed following the allegation

1127
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,800
that he stole a Valyrian steel 
blade. 

1128
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,200
According to Paul, the true 
reason for his final Exile was 

1129
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,500
his discovery of blood 
sacrifices including the killing

1130
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:03,900
of slaves as young as infants, 
which the caloric Smith's used 

1131
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:08,600
in Efforts to produce a steel to
equal that of the freeholds, 

1132
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,500
this confirms things. 
We pretty much already knew 

1133
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:14,800
tells us the caloric or trying 
to recover his lost learn 

1134
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,500
Secrets, it shows that they 
don't know, all of it, they know

1135
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:19,500
it's possible but they don't 
know like the ingredients, you 

1136
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,600
know, the proportions or right 
words for the Spells or 

1137
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,400
whatever. 
There's something for multiple 

1138
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,000
something's missing. 
They just know it's possible 

1139
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,400
because it's clearly used to 
happen. 

1140
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,200
Clearly Valyrian steel exists. 
The trying to ReDiscover that 

1141
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,500
technology. 
Nina says in really, how far is 

1142
00:57:32,508 --> 00:57:35,300
this from the story of his art? 
Hi, Any given Valyrian steel 

1143
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:37,100
sword. 
May not literally be the 

1144
00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:40,000
lightbringer, but Valyrian steel
swords, generally May well be 

1145
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:42,000
necessary tools. 
In the looming, apocalyptic 

1146
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,400
crisis against the others. 
Assuming they're actually good 

1147
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,700
against the others. 
They probably are. 

1148
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,900
We haven't seen it yet but they 
probably are. 

1149
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:52,400
So this is just really similar. 
You got killing someone when the

1150
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,200
blade is at a certain point 
crucial Point its construction 

1151
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,800
or its foraging to empower with 
magic as very. 

1152
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,000
Yeah, it does sound really 
similar, doesn't it Sean? 

1153
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,800
Definitely, you know, one thing 
I thought that's turning on me 

1154
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:09,400
is the mixing up cause and 
effect. 

1155
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,500
I'm just thinking about the idea
especially when it kind of 

1156
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:13,600
sometimes you have to question 
whether it's really blood magic 

1157
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,000
or some of the thing, or if it's
a coincidence or how, or why the

1158
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,300
blood magic Works. 
Something like Valyrian steel 

1159
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:22,300
was just physically is different
than the other steals a little 

1160
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:24,600
more clear. 
That something probably magical 

1161
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,200
probably blood magic going on 
there, but sometimes, especially

1162
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,400
with like prophecy type things. 
Like if you told someone, if you

1163
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:35,800
sacrifice your dog, Order child,
or if this community sacrifices,

1164
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,100
an innocent virgin or whatever, 
then the crops will succeed. 

1165
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,200
Once you do that, the community 
might take it a little bit more.

1166
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,300
Seriously, they might make sure 
to get that irrigation going, 

1167
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:48,400
they're gonna get up early in 
the morning and so was it really

1168
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,700
the sacrifice? 
Was it, the determination you 

1169
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:53,700
got from everyone after the 
sacrifice and you can see 

1170
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:56,800
leaders using that to to get 
their people motivated and they 

1171
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,500
might not even realize 
themselves. 

1172
00:58:58,500 --> 00:59:01,200
The difference in calls on stram
I realy believe this sacrifice 

1173
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,600
work. 
We better do it again ever see 

1174
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:04,400
Season, you know. 
Yeah, like I mean that's that's 

1175
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,300
what happens with lirio 
describes the pentoshi 

1176
00:59:07,300 --> 00:59:09,800
Traditions that way that they 
have, the prince of the fields, 

1177
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,400
and the prince of the sea and 
all that, and they cut their 

1178
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,400
throat. 
If things don't go well, it's 

1179
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,900
like that's why I what's his 
name. 

1180
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:18,000
The tattered Prince was like, 
nope. 

1181
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,300
I'm not going. 
I'm not going up for that 

1182
00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:22,300
system. 
Thank you very much. 

1183
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,600
Yeah. 
And like, it just in a past, 

1184
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,200
we've talked about that, in my 
mind. 

1185
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,300
I was like, man. 
What an unfair system. 

1186
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,100
Hopefully that Prince doesn't 
get unlucky, but I do now I'm 

1187
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:32,600
thinking, like, what a good 
sister. 

1188
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,300
To motivate the princes to use 
their power to ensure. 

1189
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:37,800
The crops that is sacrificing 
like some random innocent like 

1190
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,800
yeah, at least it's the person 
responsible still, not a great 

1191
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,900
system but it's an improvement 
on the prince. 

1192
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:44,200
The right guy. 
He's got a bunch of resources 

1193
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,000
that he could like take baths 
and pots of gold if you want. 

1194
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,000
But he could use the gold to buy
more seed and to fund irrigation

1195
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,200
and hire someone to educate the 
Farmers on how to use fertilizer

1196
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,600
and as all kinds of things he 
can do to make sure they don't 

1197
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,700
put him to death for the crop 
fails funny, how these 

1198
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:03,800
superstitions are leading. 
Our Are in this example, are 

1199
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,800
pushing people to try to learn 
more about, like I should learn 

1200
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,900
more about the science. 
Thanks to this Superstition, 

1201
01:00:10,300 --> 01:00:12,700
that's ironic. 
It is also some of this is 

1202
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:16,100
Mercantile, secret ISM, though. 
Like the caloric if they really,

1203
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:18,000
really were concerned about the 
ethics, they would have killed 

1204
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:18,900
him. 
So, the secret wouldn't get out 

1205
01:00:18,908 --> 01:00:21,600
at all, but they just kept 
punishing him which implies 

1206
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,700
that, they don't care that much 
about people, knowing what 

1207
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:25,600
they're doing. 
They don't the recipe to get 

1208
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,000
out. 
Not the fact they're trying to 

1209
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,100
find the recipe. 
That's that's kind of what I'm 

1210
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:31,700
reading between the lines. 
There is that register with you 

1211
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:34,600
or It does it. 
Interesting today wouldn't kill 

1212
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,800
him. 
I it makes you wonder? 

1213
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,300
What else there is to? 
The story does? 

1214
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,400
Yeah, they need him for some 
reason. 

1215
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,200
It has some certain respect for 
him or how is this guy kids? 

1216
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,800
How is he not exiled from the 
city? 

1217
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,800
Like three whippings. 
And it's like jeez, like just 

1218
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,300
kick him out already. 
Like, oh mr. 

1219
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:54,300
Paul again that you mr. 
Paul is, how did he get in here 

1220
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:56,900
again? 
Maybe he was like a popular guy 

1221
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:58,900
with a strong following him. 
He become a martyr. 

1222
01:00:58,900 --> 01:00:59,800
If they killed. 
Okay. 

1223
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,600
Head would be trouble with baby 
trouble with Westeros. 

1224
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:04,100
Us. 
If we kill this mystery. 

1225
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:07,900
No, it's so far away. 
One day, we'll do it just like 

1226
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:09,800
we did for some of the other 
three cities will do an episode 

1227
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,900
on cohort but maybe get a little
deeper into some of these things

1228
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:15,600
are to learn, think about some 
new topics, a shy, we have 

1229
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,700
already done an episode on so 
check that out if you're so 

1230
01:01:18,700 --> 01:01:22,500
inclined or haven't seen it 
already because a shy seems to 

1231
01:01:22,508 --> 01:01:24,900
be the most source for city in 
the world, it certainly includes

1232
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:28,200
blood magic when there's lists 
like every form of magic. 

1233
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,400
If you ever want to see a list 
of magic, go to the ice, the a 

1234
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,000
shot, I entry in the world of 
Ice and Fire is the biggest list

1235
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,200
of types of magic you'll see in 
the series. 

1236
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:42,500
You know, it's cohort kind of 
like when George was explaining 

1237
01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:54,500
the co-producer thing that's 
when you pay for a threesome or 

1238
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:57,900
more blood magic and Shadow 
binding and red priests are all 

1239
01:01:57,900 --> 01:02:00,500
listed separately in that quote 
for about a shy and all the 

1240
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,100
magic. 
So I just more evidence that 

1241
01:02:02,107 --> 01:02:04,300
these things were separate or at
least some people see them as 

1242
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:06,300
separate. 
Maybe certain categorization, 

1243
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:09,500
attempts would link them more 
closely. 

1244
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:13,700
The magic does what it does and 
we try to fit it into our 

1245
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:15,500
systems. 
It doesn't conform. 

1246
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:19,300
We have to express it. 
It's a one-way system. 

1247
01:02:19,300 --> 01:02:22,000
Not we don't what we decide 
doesn't make it true. 

1248
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,300
Now marwan's presence there and 
a shy doesn't mean he learned 

1249
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:28,500
blood magic on his own but he 
certainly learned some things 

1250
01:02:28,500 --> 01:02:30,700
about it. 
He certainly has some ideas and 

1251
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:32,100
Concepts. 
I don't know that he knows how 

1252
01:02:32,107 --> 01:02:34,700
to cast any spells specifically 
but maybe he does. 

1253
01:02:34,700 --> 01:02:40,400
I mean he traded his knowledge 
of the body to marry Master. 

1254
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,300
He taught her like the West 
Rossi secrets of medicine that 

1255
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:47,300
they have. 
What did she teach him? 

1256
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:48,900
The door died, did he? 
I kind of doubt. 

1257
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:52,700
He just loves ya, baby, that was
it. 

1258
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:57,700
Yeah, she traded sexual favors 
for secrets of the body secured 

1259
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,000
to the body for secret of the 
body. 

1260
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,800
Okay, there you go. 
What's an even exchange Mars at 

1261
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,500
the nicest looking man. 
So maybe it was his route there 

1262
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,200
but it is opening quote, open 
question like a shy. 

1263
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,800
It sounds like people do that 
sort of thing. 

1264
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,500
They trade secrets with each 
other. 

1265
01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:14,700
Like the anarchists paradise for
magic users and the fact that 

1266
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:17,000
the place is all messed up, his 
part of that is like, yeah, 

1267
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,500
well, there's no Central 
authority to keep things clean 

1268
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:21,600
or to say no that kind of magic 
is bad, because it could ruin 

1269
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,000
the whole city that. 
Ship has sailed there. 

1270
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,200
The shadow is nearby. 
That whole realm is magically 

1271
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,500
messed up. 
Yeah. 

1272
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:31,400
What if they, if they, if rules 
could have stopped that from 

1273
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,400
happening, it's way too late. 
Of course, there's Melisandre of

1274
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,800
a shy. 
She calls herself that she 

1275
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,500
clearly has knowledge of some 
things. 

1276
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:42,000
If we get more chapters from 
her, might get some more inside.

1277
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,200
Her looks at what blood magic 
looks like, though, we may have 

1278
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,900
to parse it from real orgasm and
other things that she's doing 

1279
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:53,600
like Shadow binding. 
A shy of course, is ripe for 

1280
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,400
possibility there, but for more 
check out the episode on that or

1281
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,900
send us your thoughts because 
it's also very vague. 

1282
01:03:59,900 --> 01:04:01,700
We know that blood magic happens
there. 

1283
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:04,300
But being specific is completely
impossible. 

1284
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,700
Does that show? 
I have an export. 

1285
01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:11,300
Yes it does. 
It has Cheap wealth, Gold and 

1286
01:04:11,300 --> 01:04:14,500
Gems are plentiful there and 
food is not. 

1287
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:19,600
So if you are willing to make 
the voyage and bring food, you 

1288
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,300
can get a huge prices for 
regular food stuffs. 

1289
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:26,900
There, the fish that that grow 
in their rivers or not to be 

1290
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:30,600
eaten the crops don't. 
Okay, animals pack animals, 

1291
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,800
don't survive their children. 
Don't live their children 

1292
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,200
aren't, are, rarely born there 
or just aren't there. 

1293
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,100
Yeah, there's just no children 
in a shy apparently. 

1294
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,100
Maybe not literally zero 
children, but something's wrong,

1295
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:43,900
I'll get sacrificed. 
Yeah, hey, infants. 

1296
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:45,200
Something's wrong with that 
place. 

1297
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,600
Multiple something's wrong with 
that place. 

1298
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:49,500
So, that's another thing we 
could, hopefully get a little 

1299
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:52,500
more of those animals Andres 
been there more than been there.

1300
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,100
If we get in her head, a little 
more, will get, maybe some more 

1301
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,600
insight to what's there, but 
George probably keep a lot of 

1302
01:04:57,607 --> 01:05:02,000
that. 
Pretty shadowy uses of blood 

1303
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,200
magic. 
Just a couple of examples here 

1304
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:08,300
that popped up here that follow 
different. 

1305
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,100
Categories. 
If you imagine it's blood. 

1306
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:13,300
Magic is the source and the 
Spells, the results are the 

1307
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:15,500
types of magic you can get from 
that Source. 

1308
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:21,500
Communion is one of them, vah 
reefs, and the voice that being 

1309
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:24,300
from Beyond the communicated, 
with the sorcerer that cut him. 

1310
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,200
His involuntary. 
Sacrifice of his body part. 

1311
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,400
What the hell, is that thing 
that the voice came from? 

1312
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:36,900
It could have been virus 
themselves as he was drugged, he

1313
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:38,800
was young. 
He doesn't have a clear memory 

1314
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,300
of it, but it's pretty hard for 
it to not be magical mentions. 

1315
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:45,600
The possibly of glass candles, 
like, the voice came through a 

1316
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,400
glass candle, rather than just 
us. 

1317
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,100
Imagine it'd be a demon. 
You know, the voice coming 

1318
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:51,900
through a glass candle, it gets 
muddy. 

1319
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:54,800
Didn't the audio quality isn't 
great glass candle. 

1320
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,300
See, you know, it's like it's 
just you know like a zoom call 

1321
01:05:58,300 --> 01:05:59,800
from a remote location, you 
know? 

1322
01:06:00,700 --> 01:06:04,600
Because we work very well. 
I always default look for the 

1323
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,100
scientific explanation for us 
was having some sort of 

1324
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:12,000
hallucination some sort of chirp
superimposed memory after the 

1325
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,800
fact or whatever. 
You know, and I appreciate that 

1326
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,100
George allows this to me. 
It's to me. 

1327
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:19,800
It's way more interesting when 
it's ambiguous when they're 

1328
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,500
cool. 
When it could be a coincidence 

1329
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,600
or Melisandre, really did make 
the prediction when it could be 

1330
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,300
blood magic, or it was just 
going to happen anyway. 

1331
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,300
I liked it more. 
When there's mystery 

1332
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:31,000
surrounding. 
Yeah, George anyone, it will 

1333
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,800
fill it out and Here. 
And I think it makes it more 

1334
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,700
exciting when once in a blue 
moon it is Photon, good 

1335
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:41,000
Melisandre. 
Bursts Shadow baby in Davos is a

1336
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,300
witness to it and he's a 
trustworthy narrator then also 

1337
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:46,600
like whoa it's just it's so much
harder. 

1338
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:50,500
Yeah, the the other ambiguous 
ones always talking up chance of

1339
01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:52,700
coarseness. 
I have to re-evaluate them now 

1340
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:55,900
but maybe they were so chassis. 
Question is, but I gotta it 

1341
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:59,000
makes you rethink things. 
It adds more levity to a come in

1342
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,600
and future, but I think it works
so much better the way. 

1343
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,000
He does it, whereas few and far 
between, when it's clear and 

1344
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,300
definitive match. 
Yeah, I totally agree and it 

1345
01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:08,700
Sparks these discussions as 
well. 

1346
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:12,000
It allows a, you know that's 
part of the ambiguity gives us 

1347
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,900
things to talk about and that 
leads to other topics. 

1348
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:17,900
Just makes it more discussable 
overall, so it could have been a

1349
01:07:17,908 --> 01:07:20,200
supernatural being could have 
been a human speaking from afar 

1350
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,600
through a candle, who knows? 
There's lots of possibilities 

1351
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,200
there and it's all just a story.
That's the other thing. 

1352
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,200
We didn't see this happen, far 
as could be making the whole 

1353
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,700
thing up. 
He could have the story where he

1354
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:34,100
became a unit could be entirely 
different, it could be entirely 

1355
01:07:34,100 --> 01:07:38,000
unmagical entirely just straight
up, he's being completely honest

1356
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,300
in every other scenario. 
Why would he be dishonest this 

1357
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:43,300
time? 
Good point, Sean. 

1358
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:47,300
I have no reason to believe bars
as long about anything now 

1359
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:49,800
recall, the guy not only cut 
viruses parts off and he burned 

1360
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,400
them on a Brazier as part of the
spell casting which needed 

1361
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,600
points out. 
That's also what the the 

1362
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,300
worshippers of the unsullied. 
Worshippers how they discuss it 

1363
01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:00,300
when they have their parts 
burned on her Altar and learn 

1364
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:02,400
her secret name as a result, 
that's how they phrase it. 

1365
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,700
So, that might be a little more 
of a little magical overlap 

1366
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:10,200
stuff that we've noted. 
So many times in this world or a

1367
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,400
story from varis drawn when he 
tells his fantastic life. 

1368
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,399
Yeah, that's right. 
Nina says, it's a neat about 

1369
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:19,200
these viruses story. 
But like, you, Sean, she thinks 

1370
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:24,000
the Magical elements are sketchy
hazy and should be taken with 

1371
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,800
too much granularity. 
Should be vague. 

1372
01:08:25,899 --> 01:08:30,600
They're more about viruses story
that whole anecdote, is more 

1373
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,000
about who versus a character 
then trying to get out like the 

1374
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,300
nature of magic in this world 
but it works as both, I suppose 

1375
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:38,399
even if he's just totally making
all that stuff up. 

1376
01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:40,800
That's still says something 
about his character that that's 

1377
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,300
the story that he would make up.
Yeah, you're totally right. 

1378
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:47,200
It's the sort of the mat. 
It's a multi-level example of 

1379
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,500
magic should serve the story. 
It's really serving, sorry for 

1380
01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:54,100
the scare in multiple ways. 
Just about this, something else 

1381
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:57,100
occurred to me, keeping it 
ambiguous like that even to the 

1382
01:08:57,100 --> 01:09:00,200
author even when we know certain
things are real magic. 

1383
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,700
It keeps us from thinking of 
other characters in the story 

1384
01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:07,200
who don't believe it as being 
foolish because there's good 

1385
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,899
reason to not believe it. 
Yeah yeah. 

1386
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,399
Even if it's true we understand 
why they might not believe it's 

1387
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:14,899
true. 
We can see how his chance and 

1388
01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:17,600
coincidence. 
Even the real magic we see is 

1389
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,200
few and far between and hard for
anyone to prove happened and so 

1390
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,300
on right on A nation. 
We've mentioned a couple times 

1391
01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:26,100
here. 
That's just prophecy / for 

1392
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:28,600
telling or seeing into the past 
Maggy the Frog. 

1393
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,399
Obviously was our first example.
There's a Nina, a one-eyed sex 

1394
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:34,300
worker at the happy part in 
Bravos. 

1395
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:39,500
That Aria is aware of not under.
The name argue though, by the 

1396
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:42,000
way, I gotta say. 
We brought up - frog several 

1397
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,200
times. 
It's something that occurred to 

1398
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,200
me. 
When I was going through my 

1399
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,600
research. 
I was like, wait a minute, 

1400
01:09:45,899 --> 01:09:51,300
Maggie Magi, that's probably 
like an evolved word. 

1401
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:52,500
That's probably a missile. 
Yeah. 

1402
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,900
It's pretty much, it's almost 
explicitly sad because when 

1403
01:09:55,900 --> 01:09:59,600
qyburn inserts, you're talking 
about it and he says Meiji. 

1404
01:09:59,700 --> 01:10:01,300
She says, oh, is that how you 
pronounce it? 

1405
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,200
So she's implying. 
The chyron said it differently 

1406
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,200
than she says it and that can 
lead you to Maggie. 

1407
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,200
Yeah. 
So you're totally right. 

1408
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:08,400
Yeah. 
Mag I'm age. 

1409
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:14,100
I met yeah let me even further 
to wonder if frog is similarly 

1410
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:16,300
an evolved word. 
If that meant something wrong 

1411
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:18,700
part. 
Yeah I'm not quite sure what it 

1412
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:22,600
could be. 
It's not a frog. 

1413
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,700
Okay rogar. 
Yeah Frozen sure. 

1414
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:28,500
I'm not sure. 
I'll think about it more. 

1415
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:31,200
If someone has an idea. 
Yeah something between a chat is

1416
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,500
warty know. 
Yeah, that's more of a toad 

1417
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:38,400
Maggie, the toad magi, the 
something like imagine her in 

1418
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,500
her youth. 
At her height with respected 

1419
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:43,800
power from blood magic. 
What her title might have been? 

1420
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,900
Yeah, no, wait, what point, it 
became the frog with that could 

1421
01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:49,400
if the front is a weird 
nickname, the Frog like what's 

1422
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:50,100
from? 
Yeah. 

1423
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:54,100
That anyway, maybe she uses 
frogs blue, but maybe that's a 

1424
01:10:54,108 --> 01:10:56,300
simple answer. 
If she eats got a permit, she 

1425
01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:59,000
used to pray. 
A runaway Kermit go far from 

1426
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,400
lannisport. 
Melisandre and the leeches. 

1427
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:07,400
This is ones curious as you 
said, Sean burning the leeches 

1428
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,700
on the fire did not cause the 
death Joffrey and Renly and the 

1429
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:13,500
Robb Stark. 
Yeah, like you said Mouse under 

1430
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:15,200
just you can see where it's 
going. 

1431
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,900
It's a Civil War and most young 
kings, get killed, you know, 

1432
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:21,800
like they don't do very well and
it's not hard to predict that. 

1433
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,800
So I think more likely because 
she can see the future, she can 

1434
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,900
foretell the future. 
She saw that coming like, well 

1435
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:30,300
they're gonna die. 
I'm gonna act like I'm gonna set

1436
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:31,000
it up. 
So, Him. 

1437
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,900
He's part of it. 
He thinks he participated or 

1438
01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:37,300
that I have more power than it 
seems like I have And she's also

1439
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:39,300
setting up this notion. 
There's a power in King's blood 

1440
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,100
which is why the leeches have 
specifically have Kings blood in

1441
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:44,900
them, which I think is Paving 
the way to burn Shireen. 

1442
01:11:44,900 --> 01:11:46,700
She's setting that idea for this
could be necessary. 

1443
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:47,900
She had just spring it on him 
later. 

1444
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:51,500
He's like, well, you know, would
solve this problem is burning a 

1445
01:11:51,508 --> 01:11:54,000
child. 
She's already paved its road 

1446
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,400
with Cedric, but a lot of us 
think it's still going to 

1447
01:11:56,407 --> 01:11:58,700
happen. 
That was set up, not a diversion

1448
01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:00,200
From the Path. 
Permanently was a temporary 

1449
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,100
diversion from that path. 
Not a permanent one and yes, a 

1450
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:08,500
melisandre's Dishonesty is a 
part of what's leading Stannis 

1451
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:11,200
to make these decisions? 
It's ultimately going to be. 

1452
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,400
His call will be his. 
It will be on him if he does it 

1453
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,700
on his shoulders, but on hers as
well. 

1454
01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:18,700
Yeah. 
So this is, this is yet another 

1455
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:21,500
layer of conundrum here. 
When we have blue, what's what 

1456
01:12:21,500 --> 01:12:23,700
is and what isn't blood magic? 
What is Magic, and what is it? 

1457
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:26,700
And what are the magical effects
here? 

1458
01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:30,900
When we have someone lying about
them in order to in her mind? 

1459
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:32,600
She's trying to save the world. 
So it's again, it's like an 

1460
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,000
Azure High thing where she's 
not. 

1461
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:35,500
It's not out of malice, it's 
not. 

1462
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:37,400
Of gain. 
She's not trying to make herself

1463
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,800
seem great. 
She is trying to save the world.

1464
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,700
What's a few Lies when you're 
trying to save the world? 

1465
01:12:41,700 --> 01:12:44,400
You know, if you look at it that
way and sound level, I think 

1466
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,500
she's trying to make herself 
seem great but and with this 

1467
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:49,700
greater goal in order to the 
world and thought. 

1468
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:53,600
Yeah and there's a lot of ways. 
Like she this this magic quote 

1469
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,000
unquote, right? 
Could be either making it look 

1470
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,700
like she's able to predict that 
they died or that she caused 

1471
01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:02,400
their deaths. 
Maybe she is able to predict 

1472
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,300
they died, but she already did 
it with some other magic. 

1473
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,300
Now needs to make everyone 
believe in the show of it right 

1474
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:12,300
and believe in her power but 
maybe she just predicted it just

1475
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:14,900
because it seems like it's a 
likely thing to happen and it 

1476
01:13:14,900 --> 01:13:18,700
wasn't necessarily a magical 
vision and fire and any of those

1477
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:21,700
scenarios. 
It still adds out my thought I 

1478
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:24,800
had earlier about the idea of 
like you become more committed. 

1479
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,600
When you make this great 
sacrifice, whether Melisandre 

1480
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,600
even realizes it or intends it 
if Stannis sacrifices his 

1481
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,900
daughter, there's no going back.
There's no way he Could be 

1482
01:13:35,900 --> 01:13:37,600
convinced that he's not doing it
right. 

1483
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,000
Like even if there was clear, 
logical proof, he will just be 

1484
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,600
insane to the end. 
Yeah. 

1485
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,200
That makes sense admit what he 
did. 

1486
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,100
Yeah, right. 
He just would not be able to 

1487
01:13:45,108 --> 01:13:49,300
admit that to himself and would 
continue on insanely on this 

1488
01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:52,400
Quest even if Melisandre 
realized it was wrong and try to

1489
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,600
tell him different, you know, I 
don't know if that's an angle or

1490
01:13:54,608 --> 01:13:57,900
Direction they might go or how 
much Melisandre even realizes 

1491
01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:00,000
that but she might, she might 
have done it herself. 

1492
01:14:00,300 --> 01:14:03,500
They knew she might have 
sacrificed in her past to get on

1493
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:05,900
this Quest. 
She's now on and just Can't 

1494
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:09,000
allow ourselves to abandon it 
because the sacrifice she made, 

1495
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:12,300
maybe, maybe I like that. 
I we, we do tend to think that 

1496
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:14,500
way about Stannis, but thinking 
about Melisandre in that room, 

1497
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:16,700
light is. 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

1498
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:21,100
Is her Shadow baby form of blood
magic, or is that shadow 

1499
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:23,000
binding? 
I think we're both. 

1500
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,500
It's pretty arguably is both. 
I don't know. 

1501
01:14:24,508 --> 01:14:27,200
I mean like there's there's a 
womb and there's blood but then 

1502
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,100
but it's it comes out as a shot.
Oh, I don't know if there's any 

1503
01:14:30,700 --> 01:14:33,900
wasn't a sacrifice made that we 
saw but she did take some 

1504
01:14:33,900 --> 01:14:37,900
stannis's, like Life Energy. 
To create that feels blood, 

1505
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:41,300
magic ish. 
Yeah, bone magic magic. 

1506
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:43,000
Sex Magic? 
Yeah, bone Mets. 

1507
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,400
Boning magic. 
All right, let's take a moment 

1508
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,700
here. 
Word from our sponsor smile, 

1509
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:51,700
brilliant my teeth. 
Have been getting gradually, 

1510
01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:55,300
wider, I'm excited for the final
finished product, my teeth being

1511
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:59,200
the product, some of the drinks,
a lot of coffee, you know, I 

1512
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,900
definitely do have a need for a 
little extra here, but today I 

1513
01:15:02,907 --> 01:15:04,800
want to talk a little more about
teeth grinding. 

1514
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,800
Something that's a little 
Automatic for some people 

1515
01:15:06,900 --> 01:15:10,600
because it's say it can cause 
headaches and neck tension and 

1516
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,100
problems with your teeth later 
in life or sooner in life. 

1517
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:19,500
Hundred two hundred seventy 
dollars is what smile Bryant has

1518
01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:22,700
these packages for now you can 
have expected in the past who 

1519
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:26,600
paid as much as 450, 2754 these 
way more. 

1520
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,500
That's quick math. 
Five times more in some or 

1521
01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:32,400
little less than five times more
four and a half times more. 

1522
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:34,600
They have three levels of 
packaging here. 

1523
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:41,700
The A package is $127 versus 550
through most other retailers or 

1524
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:45,700
sources that comes with two 
night guards, free shipping and 

1525
01:15:45,700 --> 01:15:47,900
free impression kit. 
Impression of, who the 

1526
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:51,500
impression who, freshener stone 
with good teeth. 

1527
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,500
Nice, it's Sean should be 
writing these ads. 

1528
01:15:56,500 --> 01:16:00,200
Apparently, You Can Get It 
lifetime reorder on your night 

1529
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:01,100
guard. 
Cause if you're grinding your 

1530
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:04,900
teeth, then I Carl get worn out 
like a toothbrush with wears out

1531
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:07,300
or anything. 
You use a lot, especially when 

1532
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:09,500
it goes in your mouth. 
And things that go in your 

1533
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:12,400
mouth, tend to wear out like 
your teeth, which is why they 

1534
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,000
need to be taken care of teeth 
and gums. 

1535
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,400
Like it's use that much, 
something that gets that many 

1536
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,200
different chemicals, and 
irritants, and things just going

1537
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,700
in there all the time. 
Gotta keep it clean y'all, 

1538
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:26,000
right? 
But with grinding, that's a 

1539
01:16:26,008 --> 01:16:28,700
different problem because that's
something that's happening 

1540
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:30,300
during the day saying it's on 
your mind. 

1541
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:33,400
You have stresses, you have 
something on your mind. 

1542
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:34,600
I'm not a psychologist. 
I don't know. 

1543
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,100
All the reasons people grind 
their Our teeth but ask Stannis.

1544
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:40,100
Yeah, ask said it's like you 
said something that he just 

1545
01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:43,800
won't admit some sort of 
unresolved trauma, something he,

1546
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,300
keeping hidden that he won't 
talk about, let it out, man. 

1547
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:48,400
Let it out. 
Maybe you weren't crying your 

1548
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,800
teeth so much, but until you 
solve, whatever issues are 

1549
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,000
causing you to grind your teeth.
In the meantime, you got to want

1550
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,400
to protect those teeth because 
you only get one set. 

1551
01:16:59,500 --> 01:17:01,000
It's really expensive to replace
them. 

1552
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:04,000
So head over to smile 
brilliant.com and get custom 

1553
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,500
fitted teeth, whitening trays, 
Or the night guards. 

1554
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:08,800
I just described and while 
you're at it they have a whole 

1555
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,500
Suite of professional oral care.
Products like electric, 

1556
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:15,700
toothbrushes probiotics, you 
name it. 

1557
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,900
So freshen your breath and your 
look with smile. 

1558
01:17:18,900 --> 01:17:23,700
Brilliant, get 20% off with the 
code Westeros. 

1559
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,700
That's 20% off. 
With the code. 

1560
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:29,200
Westeros at smile brilliant.com.
Start taking better care of your

1561
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,800
teeth today. 
Call Nicki says, is killing the 

1562
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,500
prince of pentos. 
Blood magic and aegon Targaryen 

1563
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,700
has I always wondered if that 
was why Penta sacrificed their 

1564
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:41,700
princes. 
Yeah, I think it's an open 

1565
01:17:41,700 --> 01:17:43,700
question. 
I think it, I would guess. 

1566
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:47,300
No, but like I said, Sean, maybe
it used to work and they kept 

1567
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:49,200
doing it because it used to 
remember. 

1568
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,400
They used to have the right 
words and used to actually be 

1569
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,100
spells and it was functional 
magically functional and 

1570
01:17:55,700 --> 01:17:58,600
somewhere along the line. 
They lost his the words but they

1571
01:17:58,608 --> 01:18:01,800
kept doing it because people 
Freak out if they stopped. 

1572
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,900
Yeah, maybe they don't need to 
do it. 

1573
01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:06,400
As long as crops don't fail but 
when the crops fail, all right, 

1574
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,700
it's time to sacrifice somebody.
It's so funny trying to make 

1575
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:12,100
these things into like frame. 
These things into the real 

1576
01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:13,700
world, like no. 
But this is a world where magic 

1577
01:18:13,700 --> 01:18:15,400
actually happens. 
Like, so many things would be 

1578
01:18:15,407 --> 01:18:19,500
different any calls. 
Russell says, to song, / singing

1579
01:18:19,500 --> 01:18:20,800
have something to do with it as 
well. 

1580
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,500
Mary Maz duur sings and screams 
before she dies Melisandre. 

1581
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:26,400
Sings A Prayer. 
I think even in the house was a 

1582
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,700
dragon, Damon sings. 
Yeah, there is a lot of singing 

1583
01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:32,800
involved in magic. 
In this world Song of Ice and 

1584
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,600
Fire, it is the Song of Ice and 
Fire. 

1585
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,200
Great Point, great point. 
I think it's a great way to do 

1586
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:43,400
it because the right words, is a
neat concept for magic, but I 

1587
01:18:43,407 --> 01:18:46,700
think it's even cooler if it's 
more intricate, it has to be the

1588
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:49,300
right inflection. 
Like think of think of the evil 

1589
01:18:49,300 --> 01:18:51,600
dead when Ash doesn't quite get 
there. 

1590
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,900
Like I said, the words kind of, 
you know, and the Necronomicon 

1591
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:58,600
if you don't say it just right, 
it doesn't work or Purdue or it 

1592
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,100
works some horrible other way. 
Similar concept. 

1593
01:19:02,100 --> 01:19:04,900
You're just there just extending
that concept instead of certain 

1594
01:19:04,900 --> 01:19:09,800
inflections certain tones you go
straight into song which is what

1595
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,300
a song is Justice. 
Got more explicit tones and 

1596
01:19:12,308 --> 01:19:15,400
inflections and that takes you 
to things like tonal languages 

1597
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:20,000
like Chinese where the way you 
say the word matters. 

1598
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,400
Way more than like an English. 
The change is the definition of 

1599
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,000
the word. 
Not just emphasis. 

1600
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,600
I mean, like, literally, like 
one means brick. 

1601
01:19:27,700 --> 01:19:31,900
The other means Battleship. 
It's not even just like Slightly

1602
01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:34,300
similar now it's not even 
remotely similar you know. 

1603
01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:37,000
It's easy to relate to that when
you think about an English we 

1604
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,200
use the tones to change the 
meaning of a sentence. 

1605
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,600
Not a word but like you went to 
the store. 

1606
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,700
You went to the store. 
Yeah. 

1607
01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:47,400
I like those are very different 
question. 

1608
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1609
01:19:48,700 --> 01:19:51,400
You're not quite changing me the
word but you significantly 

1610
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,000
changed meaning of the sentence.
Yeah. 

1611
01:19:53,100 --> 01:19:54,500
By where you put the emphasis. 
Yeah. 

1612
01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:56,800
So this with tonal languages 
it's just you're taking the 

1613
01:19:56,808 --> 01:19:59,900
entire definition and you would 
have these same emphasis 

1614
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:03,300
consider. 
And as well, I like that magic 

1615
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:05,900
systems can include that because
it adds a level of difficulty 

1616
01:20:05,900 --> 01:20:09,100
and complexity and skill to the 
whole thing. 

1617
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:10,300
Plus it just makes it a little 
creepier. 

1618
01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:13,100
We have someone singing and 
Magic is happening and it gets 

1619
01:20:13,100 --> 01:20:16,200
more intense in the song builds.
It's like it's very cinematic on

1620
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:17,700
the page. 
When that, when that happens, 

1621
01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:19,900
the a trickle. 
There you go very great. 

1622
01:20:19,900 --> 01:20:22,800
However, the magic, however, 
wield the magic is, you can 

1623
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,500
imagine the magic user wanting 
it to be theatrical. 

1624
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:27,600
Sometimes they might like Yelp 
Bill Melisandre. 

1625
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,400
Slasher on trick they add to it.
I owe me a little throw song in 

1626
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,400
here. 
Here make it seem even more. 

1627
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:36,200
Give us some gravitas, like song
doesn't actually matter but I 

1628
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:37,900
like she just wants. 
She's one of the captive 

1629
01:20:37,900 --> 01:20:41,500
audience to sing in front of 
like, okay, actually, all this 

1630
01:20:41,500 --> 01:20:44,300
blood magic is just so I can 
sing my song for y'all. 

1631
01:20:44,500 --> 01:20:46,900
Christina K says with regard to 
Target immunity. 

1632
01:20:46,900 --> 01:20:49,100
If I recall correctly, there was
only one Targaryen who died of 

1633
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:51,900
disease, who bonded a dragon and
it was bail on and his burst 

1634
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:53,600
belly, which might have been 
poisoned. 

1635
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,800
So, maybe it isn't targaryens, 
but the dragon bond. 

1636
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,900
That gives them. 
The enhanced immunity jaehaerys 

1637
01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:00,600
seem to think that bonding 
dragons makestar. 

1638
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,800
Healthier plus rhaenys and 
Amy's. 

1639
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,600
Both got healthier, once they 
bond a dream fire. 

1640
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,300
And Quicksilver respectively. 
That is true. 

1641
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,800
I mean, not necessarily her 
conclusion, but those details I 

1642
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,600
believe those details that she 
relator all accurate which does 

1643
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,500
maybe tell a story. 
Yeah. 

1644
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:19,600
Yeah, church because yeah, 
definitely a good parallel to 

1645
01:21:19,608 --> 01:21:22,000
draw. 
Like maybe not conclusive proof 

1646
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,400
but a strong Theory. 
Yeah. 

1647
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,000
Like if you divided the health 
of the targaryens pre and post 

1648
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,000
Dragon era, I think she's got a 
point. 

1649
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,700
I think you might find more 
deaths to disease in the A 

1650
01:21:30,708 --> 01:21:33,900
poster. 
Kana Cara, viserys did not have 

1651
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:36,900
a dragon that he was bonded to. 
Is he decayed away and died? 

1652
01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:39,200
That's true. 
That is more show only, but 

1653
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,000
you're right, because he didn't 
his Decay was more, didn't have 

1654
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,700
that, he didn't have the leprosy
in the book version. 

1655
01:21:43,700 --> 01:21:46,900
He just standard, you know, ate 
too much drank too much. 

1656
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:50,100
And that went went downhill, but
he did, you know, he did have 

1657
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:52,700
solved the hand injury in the 
book and lost his fingers and 

1658
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,500
had an infection. 
So there was the infection is 

1659
01:21:55,700 --> 01:21:57,500
that matters? 
That's the part that I think 

1660
01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:59,900
really ties the two together. 
So yeah, that's a great Theory, 

1661
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:02,800
Christina. 
Kay Like it more more research 

1662
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,600
perhaps is required or is, would
be granted, yeah, warranted. 

1663
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,900
That's the word I wanted chatty 
Lumpkin, great name, chatty 

1664
01:22:09,900 --> 01:22:12,800
Lumpkin you're on is getting 
ready to sacrifice priests 

1665
01:22:12,900 --> 01:22:16,200
Sorcerers etc for a holy blood 
sacrifice in The Forsaken 

1666
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,700
chapter Mary master was a God's 
wife was she a Holy Blood 

1667
01:22:19,700 --> 01:22:21,300
Sacrifice, interesting. 
Yeah. 

1668
01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:25,200
Like what blood, what kind of 
value did Mary Masters? 

1669
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,200
Blood have is a practitioner of 
multiple types of magic, 

1670
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,900
whatever that effect had on her.
And her Blood being part of a 

1671
01:22:31,907 --> 01:22:34,400
ritual as a sacrifice that 
change. 

1672
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,600
That's actually something we're 
gonna talk about a little later.

1673
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,600
Like, in the episode is the type
of blood matter, it building on 

1674
01:22:39,608 --> 01:22:41,700
the topic of Kings blood. 
Well, what about other types of 

1675
01:22:41,708 --> 01:22:43,900
blood? 
So more on this later chatty, 

1676
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,200
hey, it's their name chatty 
loved and, you know, so we'll 

1677
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,000
come back to this topic in 
Chattanooga. 

1678
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,300
Tennessee. 
Yeah, it's I think it's the last

1679
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:53,500
section. 
We haven't documented a, so, 

1680
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:56,200
yeah, stay tuned more to come on
that and Christina K again. 

1681
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:57,900
Another comment. 
Says, honestly ashtrays method 

1682
01:22:57,900 --> 01:22:59,800
of eating, isn't all that 
different than most major modern

1683
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:01,600
cities. 
City isn't out there growing, 

1684
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,800
its own food, good point, very 
good point. 

1685
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,900
And they are and food is really 
expensive. 

1686
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:09,200
In Downtown Manhattan. 
At all, funny is very prevalent 

1687
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,800
and they do have a lot of money,
right? 

1688
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,000
They have lots of money, lots of
the financial district, and 

1689
01:23:13,008 --> 01:23:16,100
fashion districts Manhattan, a 
wealthy Place. 

1690
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:19,600
Jamie also think about just Cost
of Living stuff like that, you 

1691
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,600
make a lot more money when you 
live in New York City with 

1692
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:22,900
doesn't mean that you're rich. 
So I guess. 

1693
01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:25,200
Oh I agree, you're right. 
I mean, the money is there, it 

1694
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,800
doesn't mean you have extra 
because there's so much of its 

1695
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,900
being sucked up by living there 
a shy maybe doesn't have Have 

1696
01:23:30,900 --> 01:23:33,100
the like real estate costs 
because it doesn't have a big 

1697
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:35,800
population but the importing 
cost would be even greater. 

1698
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,800
Yep, guilty. 
Undertaker. 

1699
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,500
Isn't the Frog, just what Cersei
calls her? 

1700
01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:42,900
I figure. 
She just thought she looked like

1701
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:44,500
a frog. 
Oh yeah, maybe that was like I 

1702
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:44,800
do. 
Yeah. 

1703
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,300
Maybe that wasn't the nickname, 
like everyone. 

1704
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:47,500
Yeah. 
That's a good point. 

1705
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:49,000
I was like, I don't know that 
we've ever seen. 

1706
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:53,600
Anyone else, call that woman the
Frog besides Cersei, and Cersei 

1707
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,800
is just kind of an insulting 
kind of person and she was a 

1708
01:23:55,808 --> 01:23:58,700
child who might have just like 
called her the Frog. 

1709
01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:02,200
I think the only person who even
vaguely He refers to Maggie is 

1710
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,200
Kevin. 
Kevin cats of her briefly for a 

1711
01:24:04,208 --> 01:24:06,000
second. 
Yeah, I don't think he uses the 

1712
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,200
Frog either though. 
So yeah. 

1713
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,000
Maybe just what she looked like.
Yeah. 

1714
01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:11,800
And your first, the only thing 
you know, and she thinks back 

1715
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,200
about it, no one else would know
if she heard of the Frog people 

1716
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:16,400
back. 
Who are you talking about? 

1717
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,800
Yeah, like remember that woman. 
Yeah. 

1718
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:27,300
Anyway, so we've been doing this
podcast since 2012 back in 2015,

1719
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,900
we received this email related 
to the topic hand. 

1720
01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:33,200
The desha will not fit on screen
and read for those of you who 

1721
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:38,600
can't see it here is this email 
from hot blue. 

1722
01:24:38,700 --> 01:24:42,900
Hot blue. 
I want to make a blood sacrifice

1723
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:48,000
rituals but I do not know how to
do. 

1724
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:53,100
Is there a book to do that? 
Or can you help me or you? 

1725
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:56,800
Can you help me? 
Sorry, to put words in their 

1726
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,200
mouth, take them out. 
Yes, I didn't even block out the

1727
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:01,000
email. 
There. 

1728
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,500
Because I don't think this 
person really needs care about 

1729
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:06,000
their privacy. 
Oh yeah, there's those are email

1730
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,300
from 2015 and I definitely say 
that one. 

1731
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,900
I don't know if they ever 
figured that out. 

1732
01:25:11,900 --> 01:25:14,900
Yeah, so if you're out there, 
hot blue, let us know if you 

1733
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:16,800
ever had any success with your 
blood Magic Ritual. 

1734
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,400
We did not respond to this 
email. 

1735
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,300
How cruel and callous of us? 
Yeah, I mean we didn't have it, 

1736
01:25:22,308 --> 01:25:25,300
we don't have what s. 
We don't actually have any help 

1737
01:25:25,300 --> 01:25:30,400
for them so Continuing on with 
the different uses of blood 

1738
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,100
magic. 
Here's an interesting funerary 

1739
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:37,600
practice quote and horselord 
dies. 

1740
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,700
His horse to slang with him so 
he might ride proud into the 

1741
01:25:40,700 --> 01:25:42,700
night lands. 
Bodies are burned beneath the 

1742
01:25:42,700 --> 01:25:46,100
Open Sky and the call Rises on 
his fiery Steed to take his 

1743
01:25:46,100 --> 01:25:49,200
place Among the Stars. 
The more fiercely, the man 

1744
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,600
burned and life brighter. 
His star will shine in the 

1745
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,700
darkness blood and fire but 
probably not blood magic. 

1746
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,000
It could. 
Be that seems more like, just a 

1747
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,200
belief. 
On the other hand, Danny seems 

1748
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,900
to see, Khal Drogo Spirit 
Rising, when she's doing the 

1749
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:09,200
dragon pyre, think, or, she's 
seeing and thinking, all sorts 

1750
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,400
of weird things in that moment, 
maybe she's seeing what she 

1751
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,100
wants to see. 
But there's a chance it's real. 

1752
01:26:14,100 --> 01:26:15,700
This was maybe fall under 
astro-man. 

1753
01:26:15,700 --> 01:26:18,900
See and blood magic. 
You know, Astro, man. 

1754
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:20,600
That's a cool word. 
I just wanted to make sure I got

1755
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,500
the chance to say, astro-man, 
see at least one episode. 

1756
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,000
Is that when you use the Astros?
Yes, The baseball Mighty magic. 

1757
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,400
It's how they keep winning. 
Good pictures, you're coming out

1758
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,200
of nowhere, like I suck now. 
He's amazing, Astro man. 

1759
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:37,700
See ya remind me of I thought 
that I had about the idea of 

1760
01:26:37,700 --> 01:26:41,500
blood magic, if you sacrifice 
someone, I guess. 

1761
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:44,400
What I'm asking is, it doesn't 
matter that you believe that it 

1762
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,700
is like what if you truly 
believe that killing us, go is 

1763
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:50,900
the reason your crops, are you 
performing blood magic, even 

1764
01:26:50,900 --> 01:26:52,900
though it's just a coincidence 
that you have say, no. 

1765
01:26:52,900 --> 01:26:55,000
But you, what is it? 
You are yeah. 

1766
01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:57,900
What if it partly works like 
Like what if you think, I'm 

1767
01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:03,300
gonna sacrifice my child to 
bring my wife back to life and 

1768
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:06,400
give me a new child and it 
brings your wife back to life, 

1769
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,300
but she's a zombie and can't 
give you a new child. 

1770
01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:11,900
Well, it's hard work. 
Wheatley does that mean? 

1771
01:27:11,900 --> 01:27:14,900
It wasn't what magic you like? 
Yikes. 

1772
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,100
That's a good lead into some of 
these next Parts where we get 

1773
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:26,200
into the may be disputes or get 
into the weeds as to what even 

1774
01:27:26,300 --> 01:27:28,500
the Dothraki sea is blood-magic 
some of the things they do. 

1775
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:31,100
Kind of seem like pretty similar
yet they're really disgusted. 

1776
01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:35,300
By even the idea of some of the 
things that Mary Master suggest 

1777
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:37,700
Drogo did technically get burned
on a pyre. 

1778
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:40,300
So he may have. 
That still may have happened for

1779
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:42,400
him. 
If his belief, the beliefs were 

1780
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,400
still sort of carried through 
like was part of, maybe that's 

1781
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:49,000
part of why her bloodrider stuck
with her throughout all this. 

1782
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,000
Because they didn't want to, 
they were really disgusted by 

1783
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,200
what happened. 
They did not want her to do any 

1784
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:59,700
of this stuff. 
And Drago's blood Riders were 

1785
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:02,100
HonorBound to make sure he was 
burned on his pyre. 

1786
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:06,800
Had they survived, they might 
have made sure that happened but

1787
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,900
they weren't said killed during 
the ritual of his resurrection 

1788
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,900
and here is a quote, getting us 
into the resurrection. 

1789
01:28:16,900 --> 01:28:22,000
Kill her and you kill your call.
Danny said, this is blood-magic.

1790
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,000
He said it is forbidden. 
I am Khaleesi and I say it is 

1791
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,400
not Not forbidden in vaes 
dothrak called rogo. 

1792
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:34,000
Slew a stallion and I ate his 
heart to give our son strength 

1793
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,100
and courage. 
This is the same, the same. 

1794
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,700
That is Joe go, and he's not 
demanding, he's not telling he's

1795
01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:42,500
begging, he's begging her, not 
to do this. 

1796
01:28:42,500 --> 01:28:46,400
He's like, please don't do this.
And let me kill her, let me kill

1797
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,000
this magic, I don't use her 
spells. 

1798
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,500
Let's kill her and he's begging 
for it. 

1799
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,200
It's an interesting arguments, 
pretty compelling if you're a 

1800
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:55,700
Dothraki, it's a pretty good 
argument. 

1801
01:28:55,700 --> 01:28:58,600
I mean, I don't believe eating 
that horse heart. 

1802
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:03,000
Put the strength of the stallion
in her body and in her son's 

1803
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,700
heart or her cousins getting 
give her son, courage, not 

1804
01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:09,400
magically, but the Dothraki 
really do believe that they 

1805
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,800
really do believe that that 
stallions heart, that she ate 

1806
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,200
during that ceremony that she 
didn't choke back up that she 

1807
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:15,800
went through all that work for 
weird. 

1808
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,800
Bloody as hell was gross? 
How is that? 

1809
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,400
Okay magic, right? 
How is that? 

1810
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:24,600
Okay, how and then sacrificing a
horse to give the strength to 

1811
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:25,700
Drogo? 
That's what she said. 

1812
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:27,400
She's a ghost. 
Strength of the horse, going to 

1813
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,000
the rider. 
I mean, it's like, literally the

1814
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,000
phrase, she's uttering. 
And here's name is Tag. 

1815
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,900
I guess it's easy to rationalize
a Khaleesi eating horse hard for

1816
01:29:34,900 --> 01:29:36,900
the Dothraki because they 
themselves even worse is simply 

1817
01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:41,300
for food on a regular basis. 
If it is considered permissible 

1818
01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:43,300
need horseflesh for any given 
meal than it's not. 

1819
01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:46,200
So strange for calls wife to eat
another part of the horse even 

1820
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,000
while attaching the symbolism to
that meal. 

1821
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,500
Even if implying there's magic 
going on in the ceremony but 

1822
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:54,800
what Mary was proposing to do, 
was kill a calls horse, the most

1823
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,900
important and when the khalasar 
Is already kind of a No-No. 

1824
01:29:58,100 --> 01:30:02,300
The Possession is so sacred. 
That remember how this takes a 

1825
01:30:02,308 --> 01:30:03,600
little bit for a key lesson 
here? 

1826
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,000
Calls will share their Khaleesi 
with their blood Riders but they

1827
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,900
don't share their horse. 
It's gross, but just from their 

1828
01:30:11,900 --> 01:30:16,100
perspective, that's a big deal. 
So killing the horse as part of 

1829
01:30:16,108 --> 01:30:20,600
the ritual, it was a huge moment
that one that we perhaps 

1830
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,300
overlooked a little bit because 
that's to us. 

1831
01:30:22,300 --> 01:30:24,400
This is a goddess. 
This whole thing is creepy and 

1832
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:28,100
weird, but the significance of 
this because horse is probably 

1833
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:29,700
dust. 
This is the gross part of 

1834
01:30:29,900 --> 01:30:31,900
animals being killed. 
It's a sacrifice like we can 

1835
01:30:31,900 --> 01:30:33,900
Overlook that part. 
I'm not saying it. 

1836
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,600
The Dothraki exactly have things
figured out but so my argument 

1837
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:42,500
about blood magic. 
Like I want to say that burning 

1838
01:30:42,500 --> 01:30:45,100
someone at the stake. 
So counts is blood-magic because

1839
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:47,500
I think blood means more 
sacrifices. 

1840
01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:52,300
Oh yeah, it's a bigger sacrifice
to kill the calls whore horse 

1841
01:30:52,300 --> 01:30:57,100
than to eat the part of some 
random horse bloodiness aside. 

1842
01:30:57,100 --> 01:30:59,300
It's about the sacrifice to the 
dog barking. 

1843
01:30:59,300 --> 01:31:01,400
Yeah, so like, when Danny a the 
horse Hearts me. 

1844
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,900
That's, I don't believe. 
That's what magic, the You may 

1845
01:31:04,900 --> 01:31:07,100
be or believe that it's magical 
or maybe not blood magic, but 

1846
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:09,300
they believe it's for me, they 
don't, but they probably should,

1847
01:31:09,300 --> 01:31:10,800
if they weren't being hypocrite,
right? 

1848
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,100
You can see why an outsider 
would look at the seeing things 

1849
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:15,300
and be like, this is really 
similar in terms of the way, 

1850
01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:16,100
it's presented. 
Its. 

1851
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:18,300
But yeah, yeah, it's me. 
That's not blood magic. 

1852
01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:21,100
It's just bloody, it's just 
blood, right? 

1853
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,600
But but since the Dothraki do 
believe it, we have to kind of 

1854
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,000
look at it from their 
perspective. 

1855
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,900
Here's the actual spell which 
gives us a look at what she's 

1856
01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:31,500
saying and a few other things, 
few other details that I want to

1857
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:33,900
discuss quote. 
It's Diane kick. 

1858
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,500
And reared is for Caro, Caro, 
and I'll go hold him. 

1859
01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:40,800
Close to the tub where the call?
Floated like one already dead 

1860
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,000
puss blood seeping from his 
wound to stay in the bath 

1861
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,900
Waters, Mary Masjid or chanted 
words, in a tongue that Danny 

1862
01:31:47,900 --> 01:31:50,900
did not know and a knife 
appeared in her hand and he 

1863
01:31:50,900 --> 01:31:54,600
never saw where it came from. 
It looked old hammered red, 

1864
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,800
bronze leaf-shaped. 
Its blade covered with ancient. 

1865
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,800
Glyphs the Magi drew it across 
the stallions throat, under the 

1866
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:03,700
noble head and the horse 
screamed. 

1867
01:32:03,700 --> 01:32:06,700
And Ordered is a blood poured 
out of him in a red Rush. 

1868
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,700
He would have collapsed the men 
of her cos held him up. 

1869
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:15,000
Strength of the mounts, go into 
the writer Mary saying is horse 

1870
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,500
blood swirled into the Waters of
jogos bath strength is the 

1871
01:32:18,500 --> 01:32:21,700
Beast? 
Go into the man right on. 

1872
01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:25,200
Yeah, so it's a very similar 
phrase like they're trying to 

1873
01:32:25,208 --> 01:32:28,600
put the horse heart strength of 
the horse into the baby strength

1874
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,100
of the Beast into the man. 
It really does seem similar 

1875
01:32:31,100 --> 01:32:33,200
right. 
She's chanting a knife with 

1876
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,400
glyphs Drogo floating in the 
bath blood of the stallion added

1877
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,100
to that bass. 
Nina says, compare the, the 

1878
01:32:39,100 --> 01:32:43,200
woman brand season is Test which
means earliest Vision in the 

1879
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,100
weirwood tree, where they're 
also killing an old man for 

1880
01:32:46,100 --> 01:32:49,100
killing a man with a bronze 
sickle on a weirwood tree, and 

1881
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:51,400
he Taste the Blood and their, 
she's chanting. 

1882
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,100
And I believe that blade has 
ruins, as well. 

1883
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:56,500
Maybe not, but definitely 
bronze. 

1884
01:32:57,100 --> 01:32:58,600
But it doesn't really work out 
this way. 

1885
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,900
Does it the strength of the 
rider did not go into the man or

1886
01:33:01,900 --> 01:33:04,000
the strength of the Beast? 
Did not go into the rider Drogo?

1887
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,600
Doesn't seem very strong and 
after this does he he was in 

1888
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,700
fact, severely handicapped but 
barely walking symbol of Mary's 

1889
01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:12,600
expression. 
That what is what good is life. 

1890
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:16,700
When all you love is lost Drogo 
is alive, but he's not really 

1891
01:33:16,700 --> 01:33:19,100
Drogo, right? 
Not, not in the strictest sense 

1892
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:21,400
of his personality and his 
behavior. 

1893
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,500
He's just a breathing cadaver 
almost. 

1894
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,600
Now was that in part because the
spell was interrupted or 

1895
01:33:27,608 --> 01:33:31,800
interfered with or because Mary 
was just taking her ass was an 

1896
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,800
aspect of her revenge not clear 
on is that really what we're 

1897
01:33:35,808 --> 01:33:37,800
here to discuss today, but I 
wanted to throw that question 

1898
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,600
out there. 
I want to focus more on whether 

1899
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,100
it was an accident, whether the 
interfering, whether drug 

1900
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:46,100
whether Jorah walking into the 
10th, through it off, certainly 

1901
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:48,900
she says that later she's 
certainly Danny seems to believe

1902
01:33:48,900 --> 01:33:51,300
that later, so let's continue. 
Here's the here's more of the 

1903
01:33:51,308 --> 01:33:52,900
spell-casting. 
Here's the continuing, the 

1904
01:33:52,900 --> 01:33:58,100
quote, very much doors voice 
Rose to a high ululating whale. 

1905
01:33:58,100 --> 01:34:02,100
This sent a shiver down Danish 
back, some of the Dothraki began

1906
01:34:02,100 --> 01:34:04,900
to mutter back away. 
The tent was aglow with the 

1907
01:34:04,900 --> 01:34:08,500
lighter braziers within through 
the blood, splattered sand still

1908
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,200
chic. 
Thumps Shadows moving Miriam has

1909
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:15,900
door was dancing, and not alone.
Danny saw naked fear on the 

1910
01:34:15,900 --> 01:34:20,000
faces of the Dothraki. 
This must not be crossed though.

1911
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,800
Thundered that's when the fight 
breaks out, skipping the 

1912
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,300
details. 
We come to this as if we ignored

1913
01:34:27,300 --> 01:34:30,600
the killing and watch the tent. 
The whole time, quote inside the

1914
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:34,300
tent, the shapes were dancing 
circling the Brazier, and the 

1915
01:34:34,300 --> 01:34:36,900
Bloody bath dark against the 
sand silt. 

1916
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:40,900
And some did not look human. 
She glimpsed the shadow of a 

1917
01:34:40,907 --> 01:34:45,400
Great Wolf and another like a 
man wreathed in Flames. 

1918
01:34:45,500 --> 01:34:47,600
So yeah, the Spells don't always
involve mere words. 

1919
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,600
This is the singing going on. 
That we talked about earlier 

1920
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,400
really works. 
Add so much to the effects to 

1921
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:56,200
the creepiness of it, shadows 
and Fire, and Blood or happening

1922
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:57,800
there. 
The Wolves presence is a bit 

1923
01:34:57,800 --> 01:34:58,900
puzzling. 
On the surface. 

1924
01:34:58,900 --> 01:35:01,900
It sounds a bit like Jon Snow. 
Like a wolf to represent John 

1925
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,600
Starks. 
I'd wreathed in flame to 

1926
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,100
represent his Targaryen side, 
but but why now it is, it seems 

1927
01:35:06,100 --> 01:35:08,100
kind of out of place in this 
moment, but maybe it's just 

1928
01:35:08,300 --> 01:35:10,200
general. 
Or Shadow member the series used

1929
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:12,300
to be set to be three books. 
Maybe George is trying to be 

1930
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:15,500
more economical but anyway, it 
isn't. 

1931
01:35:15,500 --> 01:35:17,400
We know, this is a blood magic 
thing happening. 

1932
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:19,900
We don't have to worry too much 
about exactly what that wolf is 

1933
01:35:19,900 --> 01:35:21,200
doing there. 
Maybe that's a discussion for 

1934
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:24,700
some other time, Nina says Mary 
also suggests that the dead will

1935
01:35:24,700 --> 01:35:27,300
be coming to dance in the tent. 
So is it possible that these 

1936
01:35:27,300 --> 01:35:30,400
Shadows represent past debt 
Rickard Stark was burned to 

1937
01:35:30,407 --> 01:35:33,500
death and Brandon killed at the 
same time on the orders or 

1938
01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:35,000
Danny's? 
Father, that could be it. 

1939
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,800
Yeah. 
Are these Spirits like Mary 

1940
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,300
looking for vengeance against 
Ares? 

1941
01:35:38,300 --> 01:35:41,500
His daughter. 
Who cool idea or are these 

1942
01:35:41,500 --> 01:35:44,100
representations of real orgasm 
in the old God's Divine 

1943
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:46,300
witnesses? 
To a magical Ritual from Mary's 

1944
01:35:46,300 --> 01:35:48,900
eclectic, magical education, 
nice phrasing. 

1945
01:35:48,900 --> 01:35:51,500
Their Nina Mary's eclectic 
little magic education because 

1946
01:35:51,500 --> 01:35:55,300
she has, he does no magic from a
variety of sources and perhaps 

1947
01:35:55,300 --> 01:35:59,200
wove them together to create 
this spell. 

1948
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,300
Danny is terrified. 
What's going on? 

1949
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,300
The chill goes down her spine, 
of course it is terrifying. 

1950
01:36:05,300 --> 01:36:07,900
So nothing's too surprising, 
they're accepted before Danny. 

1951
01:36:08,900 --> 01:36:11,700
And the fear powder that Mary 
through that affected her. 

1952
01:36:11,700 --> 01:36:13,600
Handmaids. 
So Dan, and Dan, he's afraid of 

1953
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,300
something. 
Take note because Danny is quite

1954
01:36:16,300 --> 01:36:20,500
Brave notably brave. 
But this is throwing her off 

1955
01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:23,100
because this is real, Cosmic 
horror stuff. 

1956
01:36:23,100 --> 01:36:26,800
She's confused as to why they 
would take her inside the tent 

1957
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,200
there, she's hazy, she's not all
there, she's been struck, she's 

1958
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,100
bleeding. 
So she's her mind isn't 

1959
01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:34,500
functioning normally but she's 
like, why are you taking me in 

1960
01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:36,400
there? 
Why the shapes the dancers, why 

1961
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,800
are you taking me in there and 
she realize she's being carried?

1962
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:41,600
That's why I call it Cosmic or 
so because she realizes, she's 

1963
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:45,000
being carried by seeing the 
night sky above her, and it's 

1964
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,900
black and empty. 
And that's what makes her 

1965
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:50,500
realize that she's being carried
into the tent and she freaks out

1966
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,200
understandably. 
The starless void is kind of 

1967
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:57,000
what throws her off there and 
the sunset during the ritual, it

1968
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,000
was dusk. 
It was the sun was out when the 

1969
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,000
ritual began, which makes you 
wonder couple questions here is 

1970
01:37:02,008 --> 01:37:03,900
a lot of questions, really? 
But two in particular, stands 

1971
01:37:03,900 --> 01:37:06,000
out to me here. 
Is it possible? 

1972
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,100
Other people weren't seeing what
Danny saw? 

1973
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,300
She's like, why are they 
carrying me into this tent with 

1974
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:11,900
the Shadows? 
Why the heck, would you do that?

1975
01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:14,400
On the other hand, people were 
staring at the tent and freaked 

1976
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,400
out, but there's plenty of other
things to be freaked out about 

1977
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,700
the singing. 
The fact that they know a spell 

1978
01:37:18,700 --> 01:37:21,700
has been cast in there, all 
these other things, just other 

1979
01:37:21,700 --> 01:37:23,900
people looking scared. 
When you see someone staring at 

1980
01:37:23,900 --> 01:37:26,600
something and they look scared, 
you might get concerned too. 

1981
01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:30,000
We humans tend to work that way,
you're like well if they're 

1982
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,400
scared, I might have, I might 
should be scared too. 

1983
01:37:32,900 --> 01:37:35,200
I mean, kofo new blood magic was
happening when he walked into 

1984
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:38,800
this, must not be like he knew 
that a spell was being cast. 

1985
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:41,800
What do you think about that? 
Shawn is it's just a weird thing

1986
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,300
that like only Danny could see 
the Shadows. 

1987
01:37:44,700 --> 01:37:47,000
It's possible. 
But I don't know. 

1988
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:49,100
That's a bit of a stretch. 
I wonder if even if other people

1989
01:37:49,100 --> 01:37:52,500
could see the Shadows if they 
would see the same Shadows like 

1990
01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:55,200
a Roy saw some other. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1991
01:37:57,500 --> 01:37:59,400
Do we know who carried her in 
there? 

1992
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:02,000
Jorah sure. 
Yeah, on his own. 

1993
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:05,000
Yeah, he blamed himself for 
later because they her baby 

1994
01:38:05,100 --> 01:38:07,700
being dead. 
Was partly blamed on that. 

1995
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:09,000
Like you said, this is more than
two. 

1996
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:10,700
Questions. 
And I'm sure has been a lot of 

1997
01:38:10,700 --> 01:38:14,800
speculation on this, but I can't
decide if I think that Mary 

1998
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:19,300
mazdoor was a doing something, 
she knew wouldn't have the 

1999
01:38:19,300 --> 01:38:23,000
outcome. 
She promised she was trying to 

2000
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,400
put drug, go into some sort of 
coma or be. 

2001
01:38:26,500 --> 01:38:29,200
She really thought this was 
going to resurrect them or hoped

2002
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:31,300
but didn't know how to do it, 
right? 

2003
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:35,100
Messed it up somehow or if she 
really did everything, right? 

2004
01:38:35,100 --> 01:38:37,000
And it would have worked but 
drawer and Danny ruined it. 

2005
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,100
Like, there's so many ways that 
this could be. 

2006
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:43,500
It's hard to really know what 
she hoped for intended. 

2007
01:38:43,500 --> 01:38:46,200
Yeah, it's an open question. 
We've discussed in Valerie. 

2008
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:48,800
This, we don't need to really 
rehash it, but just to restate, 

2009
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:53,500
what the question is, whether 
it's whether or not merely 

2010
01:38:53,500 --> 01:38:57,100
adapted on the Fly because Danny
came into the tent and because 

2011
01:38:57,100 --> 01:38:59,100
of the extra death happening 
around her that she couldn't 

2012
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:01,400
have seen coming. 
Like the drug was blood Riders 

2013
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:02,500
being killed just outside of the
tent. 

2014
01:39:02,500 --> 01:39:06,100
May have souped up the magic 
like all this death happier or 

2015
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:09,700
interfere with it somehow just 
clouded The Waters who knows So 

2016
01:39:09,700 --> 01:39:12,800
she may be changed or tactics 
based on the what was happening 

2017
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,700
or going on around her and mid 
spell, or maybe she always 

2018
01:39:15,700 --> 01:39:17,700
intended on murdering Rago as 
well. 

2019
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,400
That was always part of it, or I
seem to lean towards, she 

2020
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,300
pivoted towards that option, and
she certainly claims credit for 

2021
01:39:23,300 --> 01:39:24,800
it later, she's like, yeah, now 
the stallion who mounts. 

2022
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,900
The world will never destroy all
the cities Etc. 

2023
01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:31,000
Well, I think she still will 
because it's probably Danny not 

2024
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,800
Rigo. 
Anyway, wasn't just three of 

2025
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,100
drugs, blood rush killed one of 
Danny's was cold as well, so 

2026
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:38,500
therefore, bloodrider deaths, 
right? 

2027
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:40,400
Outside the tent. 
None of these things. 

2028
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:41,600
Mary could have expect that. 
I don't think. 

2029
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,400
I mean, yes, we have people that
can see into the future, maybe 

2030
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:46,800
she saw in the Flames somehow, 
but that seems a little much. 

2031
01:39:46,900 --> 01:39:49,500
It was Jesse. 
I did wonder if maybe long ago 

2032
01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:53,500
and her youth, she had some 
vision of a blond woman kept 

2033
01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:57,000
hearing who's pregnant, and she 
supposed somehow she's going to 

2034
01:39:57,008 --> 01:40:00,000
end up killing her. 
She might have had weird Visions

2035
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:02,800
in the past that she didn't 
fully understand. 

2036
01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:05,100
But we're starting to see come 
to fruition. 

2037
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,100
I thought she had to do this for
some reason, but, whatever had 

2038
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:11,300
to do, this is I to save the 
baby try to not save the baby, 

2039
01:40:11,300 --> 01:40:13,900
you know, whatever. 
Yeah, neither thinks that she 

2040
01:40:13,900 --> 01:40:16,400
aimed for both of these things. 
He wanted to disable Drogo so 

2041
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:18,700
that her his khalasar would 
break apart because he knows, 

2042
01:40:18,700 --> 01:40:21,200
she knows how their leadership 
style works and no one would 

2043
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:24,800
follow him in that state, and it
would cause chaos. 

2044
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,900
And that would be revenge 
against that callous are and him

2045
01:40:27,900 --> 01:40:31,200
for leading them to her Village 
and it would also, of course, 

2046
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:32,300
killing me. 
Sighing, that's a world. 

2047
01:40:32,300 --> 01:40:34,200
That's a little more. 
Obviously, you don't want that. 

2048
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,200
She didn't want all these other 
cities to get burned either in 

2049
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,600
that prophecy to come true. 
So that does make sense. 

2050
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,600
I'm Not understand convinced. 
But I get why some people are 

2051
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,600
and either way because it seemed
like poisoning Drogo, basically,

2052
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,200
she either did or had the 
opportunity to do and it 

2053
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,600
basically worked right. 
Well, I don't think she poisoned

2054
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,300
him though because he it didn't.
It didn't go bad for him until 

2055
01:40:55,300 --> 01:40:57,300
he chained. 
He till he refused her first 

2056
01:40:57,300 --> 01:40:59,200
attempt of healing and then and 
then it got bad. 

2057
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,100
Yeah. 
So anyway, let's not rehash that

2058
01:41:01,100 --> 01:41:02,400
that's, that's outside of this. 
Yeah. 

2059
01:41:02,500 --> 01:41:04,100
So let's talk. 
Let's go back to the spell. 

2060
01:41:04,100 --> 01:41:07,200
This is what Mary says, right 
before we're going to get into 

2061
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:10,300
some more details here once. 
I begin to sing. 

2062
01:41:10,300 --> 01:41:14,700
No one must enter this tent. 
My song will wake Powers old and

2063
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:17,100
dark. 
The dead will dance here this 

2064
01:41:17,100 --> 01:41:19,900
night. 
No living, man must look on 

2065
01:41:19,900 --> 01:41:22,500
them. 
Whether it's intentional or not,

2066
01:41:22,900 --> 01:41:26,700
either way, it left, Rego 
doubly, troubling like I think 

2067
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:29,200
there's another example here. 
Two things are going on. 

2068
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:33,500
He the dragony aspect of him. 
The fact that he had a stubby 

2069
01:41:33,500 --> 01:41:37,000
tail and scales that's more of a
Targaryen thing. 

2070
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:40,500
Maybe it was made more likely to
Been because of all the magic 

2071
01:41:40,500 --> 01:41:44,700
flying around but skipping the 
dragon description. 

2072
01:41:44,700 --> 01:41:48,100
Here's the part that doesn't fit
with the Targaryen incest aspect

2073
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:51,700
when I touched him. 
The flesh, Slough It Off the 

2074
01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:55,700
Bone and inside he was full of 
graveworms and the stink of 

2075
01:41:55,700 --> 01:41:58,800
corruption. 
He had been dead for years, dead

2076
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,000
for years, it's such a peculiar 
phrase and Danny says she could 

2077
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,100
feel him kicking inside her when
she went into the tent. 

2078
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:06,800
So he was alive when she entered
the tent. 

2079
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,000
It's almost as if the ancient 
powers. 

2080
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:13,500
She's summoned old Ray go to 
them, rather than her pulling 

2081
01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:15,100
like a spirit to Drogo or some 
like that. 

2082
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:19,300
Like they took him because he's 
weak and, and young life, like 

2083
01:42:19,300 --> 01:42:23,600
the others will like the others 
lust after young life, more than

2084
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:28,000
older lives, a similar kind of 
bookend magical thing here, 

2085
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:33,200
where these beings from, 
whatever they are, want this 

2086
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:34,900
energy in the younger, the 
energy, the better. 

2087
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:37,500
It is kind of like the undying, 
how they wanted, Danny for her 

2088
01:42:37,500 --> 01:42:40,700
Youth and and all that. 
Living in Mortal for so long but

2089
01:42:40,700 --> 01:42:43,300
they need to renew themselves 
and I wonder too if this the 

2090
01:42:43,300 --> 01:42:46,500
timing of the spell mattered 
transition from day to night, 

2091
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:48,800
while the spell has been cast 
and there's a lot of ancient 

2092
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,500
Traditions fantasy and real 
world. 

2093
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:54,200
Where they people say yeah when 
night day transitions tonight 

2094
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,600
and the opposite is when the 
dimensional barriers are at 

2095
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,000
their lusus between this world 
and other dimensions. 

2096
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,400
Other Realms is when they 
transition to night, that's when

2097
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,000
that's when magic works the 
best. 

2098
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,500
So in addition to the concept of
magic working better in certain 

2099
01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:10,600
places, maybe in certain 
seasons, Ian's also certain 

2100
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,700
times a day might be more like 
the midnight, you know, right. 

2101
01:43:13,700 --> 01:43:15,800
When the clock strikes midnight 
or when the sun is a designer. 

2102
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:19,200
When there's a Clips it all fits
pretty well with that whole like

2103
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:24,500
genre of magical timing and 
conditions have to be just 

2104
01:43:24,500 --> 01:43:26,000
right? 
And Mary manager says, the grave

2105
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,500
casts Long, Shadows long, and 
dark. 

2106
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:31,200
And in the end no light can hold
them back. 

2107
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:35,100
Danny claims those Shadows 
touched Jorah to and perhaps 

2108
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:38,800
herself and whatever and it had 
you will touch me room as do. 

2109
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,500
I as Said, she wielded it. 
It passed through her, she 

2110
01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:43,800
brought it out. 
She was there in the tent by 

2111
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,600
herself until other people came.
In one reason, she might not 

2112
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:47,700
have won. 
Anyone else in the ten was 

2113
01:43:47,700 --> 01:43:49,900
because she would be worried 
that someone would just come in 

2114
01:43:49,900 --> 01:43:51,600
and chop her head off. 
And that would be the end of it.

2115
01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:55,200
She was like, he tells the story
of oh, it'll, it'll go really 

2116
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,000
bad. 
If something is a tent-like, try

2117
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:59,900
to express it in a way that that
puts the danger on them to 

2118
01:43:59,900 --> 01:44:02,700
rather than just on her lots of 
different ways to interpret. 

2119
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:06,100
That the magic though is 
something that we when we talk 

2120
01:44:06,100 --> 01:44:08,000
about that seen a lot, we 
usually focus on the story 

2121
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:11,000
aspect or just Just the Revenge 
part of it. 

2122
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:15,000
Like the people like Mary is 
justifiably angry at what was 

2123
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:20,200
done to her and her people Danni
has her business and she's mad 

2124
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:23,300
about Drogo, the that's usually 
where the discussions go. 

2125
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:28,000
So trying to get into the magic.
Here is really interesting but 

2126
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:31,800
also pretty difficult, you know,
another Trope I guess I want to 

2127
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:34,600
say like no living man must look
on them. 

2128
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:38,000
So one like maybe it would have 
been okay if Danny just went in 

2129
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,900
there on her own but If someone 
else, if a man drawer, whoever 

2130
01:44:41,900 --> 01:44:45,000
else, they ruined it. 
But also to your point, maybe 

2131
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,500
that didn't really matter. 
But she wasn't worried about 

2132
01:44:47,500 --> 01:44:50,000
Danny coming in and chop her 
head off, but one of the mud 

2133
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,700
Riders might that's why. 
Anyway they were the big threat.

2134
01:44:52,700 --> 01:44:54,600
Yeah, the blood Riders have been
threatening her the whole time 

2135
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,500
like both sets of blood Riders. 
So that's a good point. 

2136
01:44:57,500 --> 01:45:00,700
And I think more about the 
phrase of being dead for years. 

2137
01:45:00,700 --> 01:45:03,400
She says pow, Awakening Powers 
old and dark. 

2138
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:05,600
You know, statistic ancient 
powers are kind of makes sense 

2139
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:09,000
that the link as much as magic 
and ever makes sense. 

2140
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:12,600
The link between Between old 
powers and a body that's been 

2141
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:14,400
dead for years. 
And that thing, transpose, by 

2142
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,600
the way, part of where the 
tyrian time-traveling fetus idea

2143
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,000
comes from? 
Yeah, you gotta inject humor 

2144
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:24,000
every few minutes here to give 
this light is such a dark topic.

2145
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:30,900
Is there any evidence that Jorah
has its touched him in some way 

2146
01:45:30,900 --> 01:45:32,800
mean didn't seem like he's 
behaved any differently before 

2147
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,500
or after he's always been 
losting after Danny and doing 

2148
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:38,500
his thing and depressed for 
being an exile. 

2149
01:45:38,500 --> 01:45:40,600
I don't know that there's any 
Notable change in him. 

2150
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,000
He just keeps being himself, he 
has a little guilt over it, but 

2151
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,100
There are things about him. 
You might be able to point out 

2152
01:45:47,100 --> 01:45:50,200
as change, but there are many 
other sources for that change 

2153
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:53,300
other than its didn't seem to be
some shift happen, right? 

2154
01:45:53,300 --> 01:45:54,300
At this moment. 
You're right. 

2155
01:45:54,300 --> 01:45:57,600
It's hard to narrow it down. 
And pin it on, just this, this 

2156
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:02,500
scene is, well, is a bookend in 
the first book in that. 

2157
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:06,000
It's not unlike the prologue 
where the others appear and it's

2158
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,900
one of our best looks at them, 
powerful and particular, and 

2159
01:46:09,900 --> 01:46:13,300
detailed old Supernatural 
element introduced. 

2160
01:46:13,500 --> 01:46:16,300
And then kind of Old behind the 
curtain from then on like 

2161
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:17,500
waiting for us to get more of 
it. 

2162
01:46:17,500 --> 01:46:20,300
Like we want more of that but 
it's also kind of cool that we 

2163
01:46:20,300 --> 01:46:23,100
get very little of it because 
that makes it interesting and 

2164
01:46:23,108 --> 01:46:26,900
enticing and keeps us wanting 
mysterious intriguing. 

2165
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,400
Just like we haven't seen much 
like that at the much like the 

2166
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:32,800
prologue. 
We haven't really seen much like

2167
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,400
the end of book one for Danny 
with the blood magic and the egg

2168
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:38,300
hatching, although I think we 
will I think we're clearly going

2169
01:46:38,300 --> 01:46:40,400
to see more of the others. 
And we are clearly going to see 

2170
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:42,300
more rituals and more blood 
magic. 

2171
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:44,900
And if you count say, shireen's 
burning What magic? 

2172
01:46:44,900 --> 01:46:48,200
That's one of the most clear 
examples I think will get. 

2173
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:51,900
But there's more to another 
possible example of blood magic.

2174
01:46:51,900 --> 01:46:54,100
When we get back to the genetic 
ideas, remember the Bloodstone 

2175
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:55,300
Emperor? 
We talked about that briefly, 

2176
01:46:55,300 --> 01:46:57,300
the amethyst empress, and the 
great Empire. 

2177
01:46:57,300 --> 01:47:01,100
The dawn in between the 
resurrection chapter, that's 

2178
01:47:01,100 --> 01:47:04,300
chapter 84 Danny. 
In chapter 10, is the pyre and 

2179
01:47:04,300 --> 01:47:06,000
the hatching. 
The dragon chapter 9, as I said 

2180
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,600
with the fever dream chapter. 
And that's when she has the 

2181
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:12,500
famous or inFAMOUS fever dream 
of her ancient ancestors. 

2182
01:47:12,500 --> 01:47:15,400
The Valerian, perhaps the 
Chester's evolve Larry and 

2183
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:18,200
dragonlords, who had their 
colored eyes and their silver 

2184
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:22,200
gold hair and they're telling 
her to wake the dragon, and do 

2185
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:26,300
all these other things that push
her to perform the ritual that 

2186
01:47:26,300 --> 01:47:29,300
could be blood magic. 
Ancient blood magic that ties 

2187
01:47:29,300 --> 01:47:32,000
them together. 
The whatever ritual made them 

2188
01:47:32,300 --> 01:47:35,400
permanently purple. 
I'd and silver-haired or close 

2189
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,900
to that. 
That's why Danny is dreaming of 

2190
01:47:37,900 --> 01:47:41,200
them specifically because they 
are her ancestors specifically. 

2191
01:47:41,300 --> 01:47:44,300
She looks like them and they're 
telling her to do something. 

2192
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:48,000
That they did or that empowered 
them. 

2193
01:47:48,300 --> 01:47:50,400
Having dragons bringing dragons 
back into the world. 

2194
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,700
May not be good for everyone. 
Maybe it is because it's 

2195
01:47:52,700 --> 01:47:55,800
necessary to save the world. 
Either way, she's the conduit 

2196
01:47:55,800 --> 01:47:57,900
for this and it changes her 
forever. 

2197
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:03,100
Other examples, whether whether 
something that happens, it comes

2198
01:48:03,100 --> 01:48:05,800
up, blood magic, it steals a 
little ironborn angle to this. 

2199
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,100
You're on. 
Certainly what he's doing or 

2200
01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:12,100
planning to do with a bunch of 
free strapped to the prowess of 

2201
01:48:12,100 --> 01:48:14,800
ships. 
That's got a lot of us, quite 

2202
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,800
morbidly curious, and it could 
definitely be magical, but could

2203
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:22,200
also just be a way to look magic
was like, oh, I got Priest Blood

2204
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,400
In The Water. 
If is it bait or blood matching,

2205
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,800
right? 
Is it blood magic or bow mesh or

2206
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:30,300
is it? 
Yeah. 

2207
01:48:30,700 --> 01:48:31,700
Yeah. 
Good question. 

2208
01:48:31,700 --> 01:48:36,700
And any and when jojen dreams of
the shores of Winterfell and and

2209
01:48:36,700 --> 01:48:40,300
though the water flowing over 
the walls of Winterfell, is that

2210
01:48:40,500 --> 01:48:45,500
flood magic or blunt but that 
could just be bait, right? 

2211
01:48:45,500 --> 01:48:49,400
Like, the blood summons Krakens,
we're told they're like, it's 

2212
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:54,000
Sharks can smell blood to an 
absurd degree. 

2213
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,900
Something like 1 1, millionth 
part and a drop like and smell. 

2214
01:48:56,900 --> 01:49:01,200
It's a Get Ridiculous. 
So it's not magical to think 

2215
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,400
that a kraken could smell blood 
and Georgia's world. 

2216
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,400
And that would what he's, that's
what he's aiming for. 

2217
01:49:06,700 --> 01:49:09,700
It could be both, I think it's 
one of those things ambiguous. 

2218
01:49:09,700 --> 01:49:13,600
Yes, you know, another thought I
have to someone again, different

2219
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,100
levels of intent and realization
when they do it. 

2220
01:49:16,100 --> 01:49:18,900
But, you know, it's someone 
who's willing to make sacrifices

2221
01:49:18,900 --> 01:49:21,200
someone who doesn't I'm rallied 
in the first place. 

2222
01:49:21,300 --> 01:49:23,900
So when he was want to play on 
other people's superstitions but

2223
01:49:23,900 --> 01:49:27,900
urine fits all those, you know, 
he could say, if he puts all 

2224
01:49:27,900 --> 01:49:31,100
these people on his ships and 
sacrifices them, anything 

2225
01:49:31,100 --> 01:49:34,600
positive that comes like that. 
See it worked. 

2226
01:49:34,700 --> 01:49:38,700
Listen to me, my sacrifices, my 
special knowledge. 

2227
01:49:38,700 --> 01:49:43,000
What if it doesn't work, we 
didn't sacrifice enough premium 

2228
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:44,500
accessories were totally 
annoyed. 

2229
01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:46,200
You better not mess up, you 
know? 

2230
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:48,500
Yeah, that's yeah. 
It's certainly that seem that 

2231
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:51,300
that's pretty similar to Where I
fall on it, I think that it 

2232
01:49:51,300 --> 01:49:53,100
might be magical but he 
definitely wants it to look 

2233
01:49:53,100 --> 01:49:56,000
magical. 
Whether it is or not the car and

2234
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,400
mokoros talk about them, briefly
the case, especially mokoro, I 

2235
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,700
suppose another example of the 
Curious nature of the magic of 

2236
01:50:01,700 --> 01:50:06,500
real or which overlaps Fire and 
Blood and Shadow, which reminds 

2237
01:50:06,500 --> 01:50:12,200
us again of valyria and also all
this just timing, right? 

2238
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:14,500
Yeah. 
I was going to say it also might

2239
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:17,800
just overlap with science. 
He might just under read the 

2240
01:50:17,808 --> 01:50:20,300
clouds better. 
He might also, Sailor and 

2241
01:50:20,300 --> 01:50:24,000
understand the storms come in, 
you know, like the boy, this kid

2242
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:28,900
gets to use what he knows is a 
good prediction, any way to add 

2243
01:50:28,900 --> 01:50:32,200
to the perception of his power, 
his knee starts hurting so he 

2244
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:34,500
knows it's going to rain. 
So he builds a fire looks at it 

2245
01:50:34,500 --> 01:50:37,200
and goes, oh, I can see rain 
coming in the Flames. 

2246
01:50:37,300 --> 01:50:40,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
That doesn't mean. 

2247
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,100
He doesn't also have real magic.
He floated the sea for two 

2248
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:46,000
weeks, that's my like, there's 
nothing but magic that can 

2249
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000
account for that, I think. 
So, you're right. 

2250
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:52,200
So like yeah, there's a lot. 
Of this playing off and blurry 

2251
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:54,800
distinction between the two 
blood magic is at the heart of 

2252
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:57,400
that because it's maybe even 
more so than any other form of 

2253
01:50:57,400 --> 01:50:59,100
magic because of the 
preponderance of things. 

2254
01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:02,500
Like blood sacrifice, which are 
probably just rituals and not 

2255
01:51:02,500 --> 01:51:04,500
magic but some of them probably 
are. 

2256
01:51:04,700 --> 01:51:07,200
I doubt. 100% of them are non 
magic, you know? 

2257
01:51:08,500 --> 01:51:13,800
So with his idea, the horn the 
hell horn mokoros set flat out 

2258
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:17,200
says the horn must be claimed 
with blood which again being 

2259
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:20,900
Valyrian sorcery and rooted in 
Blood and fire. 

2260
01:51:20,900 --> 01:51:24,300
It all fits pretty well, it's 
also very vague but it sounds 

2261
01:51:24,300 --> 01:51:26,400
like, what I mean? 
You must claim the horn with 

2262
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:27,600
blood doesn't, it doesn't 
matter. 

2263
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,300
He says, doesn't matter who 
blows the horn matters, who 

2264
01:51:30,300 --> 01:51:34,200
claims it matters, who owns it 
and the guy who blow it, Craig 

2265
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:35,900
are no new blood at the 
kingsmoot. 

2266
01:51:36,300 --> 01:51:40,200
He had a hawk tattoo, And it 
bled when he blew and everyone 

2267
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:44,300
felt like their ears were 
burning and yeah, focused sound 

2268
01:51:44,700 --> 01:51:46,700
more playing with sound and 
Magic together through the 

2269
01:51:46,700 --> 01:51:48,600
audio. 
Magic audio magic. 

2270
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:53,400
That's what our Benja near pulls
off audio magic guys like bran 

2271
01:51:53,500 --> 01:51:56,400
the Builder. 
I mean, our friend brand, not 

2272
01:51:56,400 --> 01:52:03,100
the Stark territory. 
The firearm mokoro. 

2273
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:07,400
Giving Victorian a firearm in 
that very peculiar very creepy 

2274
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:09,900
ritual. 
Blood magic Fire magic. 

2275
01:52:09,900 --> 01:52:13,400
Both is another one. 
Seems like both very uniquely 

2276
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:14,700
presented to us. 
Also. 

2277
01:52:14,700 --> 01:52:17,800
Yeah, we got with the way the 
POV shifts briefly. 

2278
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:23,000
Now he emerges with a burned 
hand and blood up to his arm and

2279
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:24,400
then later it seems like his 
whole arm. 

2280
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,900
His arm is burned all the way up
which is maybe it's creeping up 

2281
01:52:27,900 --> 01:52:29,900
his arm. 
He doesn't say that. 

2282
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:32,800
You think he would maybe take 
note of that, but it feels like 

2283
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:35,000
from descriptions that it's 
growing. 

2284
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:38,300
But the burned aspect is, is 
creeping up his arm, which would

2285
01:52:38,300 --> 01:52:41,500
make sense, fire consumes 
Barracks saying, fire consumes 

2286
01:52:41,500 --> 01:52:44,200
everything entirely, and he's 
like, well, slowly, but surely 

2287
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:46,600
you're being consumed. 
Maybe he's becoming like what 

2288
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,100
mokoro is, but without the 
Priestly training. 

2289
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:53,000
So, in Universe wise, I wonder 
how people view it as they see 

2290
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,200
that as well. 
I see it as real magic, for 

2291
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:57,500
sure. 
They're not fooled by that. 

2292
01:52:57,500 --> 01:53:00,000
There's no way to describe. 
This is just a trick. 

2293
01:53:01,900 --> 01:53:04,100
Now, one thing that happens in 
that moment with the weather 

2294
01:53:04,100 --> 01:53:05,500
magic is it's a little 
confusing. 

2295
01:53:05,500 --> 01:53:08,600
He emerges from that from his 
cabin, and is like, cut the 

2296
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:10,700
maesters throw him overboard, 
and then he says, we'll have 

2297
01:53:10,700 --> 01:53:14,400
great wins, but he says that the
priest saw that in this Flames, 

2298
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,600
not to cutting the guys throat 
will cause this. 

2299
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:18,300
He's just like I'm done with 
this Meister. 

2300
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:20,700
So kill him and throw him 
overboard. 

2301
01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:24,200
And because the major failed to 
heal his hand, over over these 

2302
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:26,100
months, and months, and months. 
And mokoro just did it just like

2303
01:53:26,100 --> 01:53:28,000
that and so he's like, what do I
need? 

2304
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,500
This guy for healed. 
He'll yeah healed. 

2305
01:53:30,500 --> 01:53:31,800
Yeah. 
View. 

2306
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:33,600
Is that he's a kilt. 
It's better than healed, it's 

2307
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:36,300
stronger than it was surely. 
There's no side effects here. 

2308
01:53:36,300 --> 01:53:40,400
It's just it's just pure profit.
The coral also used. 

2309
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,400
He said he wanted a silver 
knife, but iron would be fine. 

2310
01:53:43,900 --> 01:53:48,500
And also, there was singing and 
laughing and screaming from 

2311
01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:51,300
outside the door. 
Some of the similar elements. 

2312
01:53:51,300 --> 01:53:53,100
If there were Shadows dancing, 
we couldn't see it because it 

2313
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:54,500
wasn't a tent. 
It was a cabin. 

2314
01:53:54,500 --> 01:53:59,500
So there would be no way to see 
that but yeah, it's a serious 

2315
01:53:59,500 --> 01:54:03,100
overlap there, huh? 
Pretty creepy stuff. 

2316
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:05,800
He also by the way, Victorian 
also, mistrust at the major in 

2317
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:08,900
the first place because measure 
was given to him by your on even

2318
01:54:08,900 --> 01:54:11,100
though you're on, just took the 
master from one of the castles 

2319
01:54:11,100 --> 01:54:14,600
at that they had taken it wasn't
someone that connected to your 

2320
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:16,600
own anyway. 
Meanwhile the Dusky woman is 

2321
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:19,100
connected to your on in some way
and he just kept her but that's 

2322
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:23,500
just that's more of a Victorian 
Centric topic than a blood 

2323
01:54:23,500 --> 01:54:28,300
match. 
And yeah so I certainly would 

2324
01:54:28,300 --> 01:54:32,500
look to the ironborn and mokoro 
Especially because they're 

2325
01:54:32,500 --> 01:54:35,500
getting more and more connected 
to Danny as a source of future 

2326
01:54:35,500 --> 01:54:39,600
blood magic related subplots or 
plots that have blood magic 

2327
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:42,000
wrapped up in them. 
Mokoro may occurred Danny to do 

2328
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:43,900
things. 
Kind of like Stannis is being 

2329
01:54:43,900 --> 01:54:46,700
encouraged by Melisandre. 
These things could definitely 

2330
01:54:46,700 --> 01:54:49,900
Verge or virgin to blood magic 
territory. 

2331
01:54:49,900 --> 01:54:54,000
If not head straight down that 
path headlong I think maybe 

2332
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,400
someone like Tyrion would be the
one. 

2333
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:58,200
Be like, hmm. 
Are we sure we want to do this, 

2334
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,500
even though he's pretty cynical?
I don't know if he wants to get 

2335
01:55:00,500 --> 01:55:03,300
involved in blood magic. 
Might be the kind of thing that 

2336
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,900
someone like barristan becomes 
extremely uncomfortable with. 

2337
01:55:07,100 --> 01:55:10,600
There's a lot of things that 
when I see what Danny's future 

2338
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:12,700
Court will look like in the 
people that will be surrounding 

2339
01:55:12,700 --> 01:55:15,700
her. 
I see conflicts between some of 

2340
01:55:15,700 --> 01:55:17,700
those individuals. 
And this is potentially one of 

2341
01:55:17,700 --> 01:55:19,600
those conflicts. 
Like you have blood magic 

2342
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:23,000
practitioners in your inner 
circle, Danny that looks 

2343
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:27,500
terrible to westerosi who sure 
Co whores fine with blood magic.

2344
01:55:27,500 --> 01:55:31,200
Valeriya was fine with blood 
magic but your own Dothraki hate

2345
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:32,900
it. 
Who are on your side and 

2346
01:55:32,900 --> 01:55:35,000
westerosi hate it. 
They think it's, you know, the 

2347
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,800
seven think it's Blasphemous or 
whatever word they would use. 

2348
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:42,500
So as accepted as it may be, in 
other places is devil not 

2349
01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:45,000
accepted in the culture. 
You're trying to be a part of 

2350
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:47,100
and the other culture you're 
going to try to be a part of 

2351
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:49,700
from Danny's perspective, so 
that could be a real problem. 

2352
01:55:49,700 --> 01:55:52,400
One of many things that doesn't 
look good. 

2353
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,500
On Danny's resume, 2's Taurasi 
in terms of cultural background 

2354
01:55:55,500 --> 01:55:57,100
and what she's bringing to the 
table. 

2355
01:55:57,900 --> 01:56:01,600
Whoo! 
Blood types like about blood 

2356
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:05,900
types in the real world, we 
have, you know, ABO negative 

2357
01:56:05,900 --> 01:56:08,400
positive. 
All That Type O Negative being 

2358
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:12,600
my favorite because it's a band 
and they're cool, knowledge of 

2359
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:15,900
that kind of like the equivalent
of blood magic and the real 

2360
01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:20,500
world genetic manipulation gene.
Splicing is probably even closer

2361
01:56:20,500 --> 01:56:23,100
to the equivalent of blood magic
in the real world. 

2362
01:56:24,100 --> 01:56:28,000
Except that and right up there 
with people being really creeped

2363
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,900
out by it. 
Like, people are very creeped 

2364
01:56:30,900 --> 01:56:34,300
out by some elements of genetic 
modification modification is 

2365
01:56:34,300 --> 01:56:36,000
where people really sometimes 
draw. 

2366
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,100
The line Gene editing. 
People seem to be a lot more. 

2367
01:56:38,100 --> 01:56:41,000
Okay. 
With anyway, I feel like, for 

2368
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,900
the most part, there's not a lot
of sacrifice involved and that's

2369
01:56:43,900 --> 01:56:46,800
true. 
The real world is Schweddy magic

2370
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,100
examples, which I think is a 
distinguishing factor. 

2371
01:56:49,100 --> 01:56:51,700
I think, I think what people say
is being sacrificed is like, 

2372
01:56:51,700 --> 01:56:54,700
decency or health, like you do. 
say they're glad this is going 

2373
01:56:54,700 --> 01:56:58,400
to lead to bad Health outcomes 
like whether that's true or not,

2374
01:56:58,500 --> 01:57:00,700
it's a belief people have. 
That's the point, like, 

2375
01:57:00,700 --> 01:57:02,800
examining the blood magic, 
whether it's really blood magic,

2376
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:06,600
or whether it's just a belief 
people, react to it, whether in 

2377
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:10,400
ways that they think it's real 
and same thing here, like they 

2378
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:14,900
believe these stories about Gene
editing in the real world that 

2379
01:57:14,900 --> 01:57:17,800
may or may not be true. 
You know, I guess another point 

2380
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:20,100
to make about it, it's something
I thought maybe distinguishes 

2381
01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:24,100
blood magic from other magic to 
is, it's sort of like cheating 

2382
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:26,800
or a shortcut. 
Something, it may be regular. 

2383
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:32,300
You could do over more time with
more resources, to poor regular 

2384
01:57:32,300 --> 01:57:35,300
people without magic at all. 
Could do over more time with 

2385
01:57:35,300 --> 01:57:38,800
more, but if you're short on 
time, Stannis has to win this 

2386
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,800
battle. 
Now, you can't wait to raise an 

2387
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:43,400
Army's Renly already on numbers 
them. 

2388
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:47,500
Well, add magic, Shadow binding,
whatever, is it's a cheat. 

2389
01:57:47,500 --> 01:57:50,500
He's cutting Corners to make 
something happen more quickly, 

2390
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:53,000
and he's sacrificing something 
important. 

2391
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:56,800
Yeah, get the result quicker or 
more powerful. 

2392
01:57:56,900 --> 01:57:58,800
Degree of it or etcetera, 
etcetera. 

2393
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:02,800
Right on, let's return to 
Melisandre the leeches to 

2394
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:05,800
discuss Kings blood and let's 
take Nina's lead on this one. 

2395
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:08,000
She says, I have a hard time 
believing the Kings blood works 

2396
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:10,500
as simply as Melisandre. 
Seems to suggest that simply due

2397
01:58:10,500 --> 01:58:12,700
to the nature of political 
power, in this universe, and the

2398
01:58:12,708 --> 01:58:15,900
nature of genetics and 
Bloodlines kings are made, as 

2399
01:58:15,900 --> 01:58:18,300
much as kings are born. 
This is largely a hereditary 

2400
01:58:18,300 --> 01:58:20,700
Monarch or coal, mine article 
and aristocratic system. 

2401
01:58:20,900 --> 01:58:24,200
A dynasties can and do change 
through Extinction or Rebellion 

2402
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:26,600
or outright usurpation. 
Anyone could call himself a 

2403
01:58:26,608 --> 01:58:29,100
king, So when kings blood 
supposedly, when does it start 

2404
01:58:29,100 --> 01:58:31,600
like what makes you in the crown
sits touches your head, your 

2405
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:35,000
blood changes is it a 
metaphysical thing we're not 

2406
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:37,300
supposed to look at it in terms 
of strict reality. 

2407
01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:39,500
This is the moment you call 
yourself a king. 

2408
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:40,400
Are you? 
Is it? 

2409
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:42,700
Because you really do have 
Kings, like, your 

2410
01:58:42,700 --> 01:58:45,000
great-great-great-great 
great-great-great-great. 

2411
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,300
Great-great-grandfather was a 
king you have Kings but like 

2412
01:58:47,300 --> 01:58:51,600
where you draw the line? 
When Robert Mugabe Kings blood? 

2413
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2414
01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:56,400
Would Geoffrey's Joffrey like he
was, he was a king but he's not 

2415
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:59,700
Roberts ascendant. 
Like yeah it is if it's just 

2416
01:58:59,700 --> 01:59:01,700
literally anyone descended from 
a king then there's just 

2417
01:59:01,700 --> 01:59:04,100
billions of billions. 
There's hundreds of thousands of

2418
01:59:04,100 --> 01:59:05,300
Kings. 
Bloods running around like 

2419
01:59:05,300 --> 01:59:07,500
almost every baby. 
It's like, maybe it's like Santa

2420
01:59:07,500 --> 01:59:09,100
Claus magic. 
Depends on how many people 

2421
01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:11,500
believe it and more people 
believe their King, the more 

2422
01:59:11,500 --> 01:59:14,600
powerful. 
The politics Tinkerbell magic? 

2423
01:59:14,600 --> 01:59:16,700
Yes, that's right. 
All right. 

2424
01:59:16,700 --> 01:59:18,300
We're on to something. 
I think we figured it out. 

2425
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:19,900
Alright. 
Episodes over Crack the Code, 

2426
01:59:19,900 --> 01:59:23,200
blood magic song, boom, change 
the title, this one blood magic,

2427
01:59:23,500 --> 01:59:26,300
so it's like one of those cold 
cases. 

2428
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:32,000
We're now A True Crime podcast 
blood magic solves No one sets, 

2429
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:35,800
this example better than rent, a
furlong Waters, the abhorrent 

2430
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:39,000
Jailer that Jamie has the 
encounter with when trying to 

2431
01:59:39,008 --> 01:59:42,100
track down, how Terry an escape,
the guy who says calls himself, 

2432
01:59:42,100 --> 01:59:45,800
a tad of a lad, the claims 
descent from John Waters is like

2433
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:49,400
yes, I have Royal Blood and it's
a great scene because let's 

2434
01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:52,200
Jamie be sarcastic in his head 
and tells all these jokes. 

2435
01:59:52,500 --> 01:59:55,700
And also, it's just funny to 
think about this as kings. 

2436
01:59:55,700 --> 01:59:58,000
Blood is the my favorite 
example, for shutting down the 

2437
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:02,600
notion of Kings blood, Nina. 
I teamed up on that one there. 

2438
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:05,100
I think pretty well. 
Remember the funny humorous 

2439
02:00:05,100 --> 02:00:06,800
example. 
I'm just the straight-up. 

2440
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:08,500
How could it possibly work this 
way? 

2441
02:00:08,500 --> 02:00:10,400
If you know the way she 
explained? 

2442
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:13,600
I don't need to repeat it but 
still have the question. 

2443
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:15,600
Sure. 
If we had some animals and we 

2444
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:19,000
decided if we declared one of 
them is the king animal with 

2445
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,800
their blood. 
Be worth more like a king snake 

2446
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:22,700
or King. 
Yeah. 

2447
02:00:22,700 --> 02:00:27,200
If I like magic, I declared 
can't jaqen our cat. 

2448
02:00:27,200 --> 02:00:30,200
To be the king of our household 
and I said all the other cats 

2449
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:32,500
are going to Jake and like he's 
a kid, I would have doing fun 

2450
02:00:32,500 --> 02:00:33,900
things. 
I'm gonna treat him with the 

2451
02:00:33,900 --> 02:00:37,300
trappings of power. 
Does it count or does it only 

2452
02:00:37,300 --> 02:00:39,800
count of my cats? 
See him as he gets the Tropics 

2453
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:42,900
of poorer? 
I think it counts to the degree 

2454
02:00:42,900 --> 02:00:46,700
that people believe it. 
I believe it. 

2455
02:00:46,700 --> 02:00:50,700
If you believe it, then the more
belief, the more Power in the 

2456
02:00:50,708 --> 02:00:53,400
Blood. 
Yeah, the more time that passes,

2457
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:55,400
the more followers you need to 
get more cats. 

2458
02:00:57,700 --> 02:01:04,300
I say that every day, Moving 
forward a little bit to the 

2459
02:01:04,300 --> 02:01:08,300
Kings blood ritual, like waking 
dragons from Stone Melisandre 

2460
02:01:08,300 --> 02:01:10,800
claims that you need the king's 
blood to wake, the dragon from 

2461
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:12,200
Stone. 
And some of the other examples 

2462
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:15,400
from history of people trying to
do that. 

2463
02:01:15,700 --> 02:01:16,900
And some that didn't make the 
book. 

2464
02:01:16,900 --> 02:01:21,100
Like the one I mentioned 
recently that needed, rude Maya,

2465
02:01:21,100 --> 02:01:23,800
Drew my attention to, we were 
chatting about the one of 

2466
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:27,200
meili's blackfyre supposedly 
burning his own four-year-old 

2467
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:30,100
son on the Flames to hatch 
dragon eggs. 

2468
02:01:30,100 --> 02:01:32,800
Now that's Not Cannon because 
George took that out of A Dance 

2469
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,500
with Dragons, but he may have 
taken it out because it's didn't

2470
02:01:35,500 --> 02:01:37,800
fit, not because it's not 
necessarily true, so it might be

2471
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:39,800
semi Cannon. 
Anyway, he certainly 

2472
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:42,800
entertaining. 
That idea is this blood magic 

2473
02:01:43,100 --> 02:01:45,600
like the others Fire magic 
sacrifices. 

2474
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:50,000
Probably maybe you could say 
it's 60% Fire magic for x 

2475
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,500
amount. 
We don't need to bring it down 

2476
02:01:51,500 --> 02:01:55,200
to percentages but It's pretty 
anything with like this kind of 

2477
02:01:55,200 --> 02:02:00,300
sacrifice to generate a Rizal 
multiple magic powering it. 

2478
02:02:00,300 --> 02:02:04,700
Yeah, I think there's an element
of blood magic in there and Mary

2479
02:02:04,700 --> 02:02:06,200
Masters is the blood alone is 
not enough. 

2480
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:11,400
You need the right words or 
songs or both and well in the 

2481
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:13,600
case of Danny Reagan Dragons 
Were stoned. 

2482
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:16,300
They were like no words at all. 
She just knew there were 

2483
02:02:16,300 --> 02:02:19,900
thoughts but there was also the 
real sacrifice should see what 

2484
02:02:19,900 --> 02:02:24,200
she was willing to do, which 
Nina He has a great take on, but

2485
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:25,700
Shawn, you said, you have 
something to say, first 

2486
02:02:25,700 --> 02:02:28,000
suggested that might be part of 
being a miracle. 

2487
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:29,800
She thought it was true 
sacrifice. 

2488
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,400
Oh that's, you know. 
Okay, yeah, or that memorized or

2489
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:35,500
isn't being totally honest 
record, right? 

2490
02:02:35,500 --> 02:02:37,800
That's always possible. 
We have two very strong to keep 

2491
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:40,100
that idea of mine. 
Is there whatever Mary manager 

2492
02:02:40,100 --> 02:02:42,700
says, the Danny is going on. 
There's Radha reasons for her to

2493
02:02:42,700 --> 02:02:46,100
be not telling the whole truth 
because I personally believe 

2494
02:02:46,100 --> 02:02:48,100
that the dragon hatching work 
because Daenerys was willing to 

2495
02:02:48,108 --> 02:02:50,600
give herself as a sacrifice that
she was personally willing to 

2496
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:52,000
stand her ground In the Heat of 
the fire. 

2497
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,200
And ultimately, Step into the 
fire storm. 

2498
02:02:54,300 --> 02:02:56,700
I don't think it's coincidental 
that the key phrase repeated for

2499
02:02:56,700 --> 02:02:59,800
Mary Daenerys and from any 
respect to marry only death can 

2500
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:01,800
pay for life, stands stone or 
stands. 

2501
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:04,800
I'll Stand Stone stands alone in
the passage where she Hatches 

2502
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,400
the dragons, nor the third 
hatching happened. 

2503
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:11,100
Only after Daenerys gave herself
over to the fire, she didn't 

2504
02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:12,400
die. 
But she stood before. 

2505
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:15,400
And ultimately offered herself 
to a fire, that should have 

2506
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:17,400
killed her. 
Like, she couldn't have expected

2507
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:21,700
to live under normal 
circumstances, only perhaps the 

2508
02:03:21,700 --> 02:03:24,500
voices in her head, Maybe. 
Maybe led her to believe 

2509
02:03:24,500 --> 02:03:26,200
otherwise but it's not really 
written that way. 

2510
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:30,800
She just does it right. 
So that feels fitting Nina says,

2511
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:33,100
for a series were great magic. 
Always comes with a great 

2512
02:03:33,100 --> 02:03:35,400
personal cost that she was 
willing to dive fact that she 

2513
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:38,100
didn't is perhaps the miracle 
more so than anything else. 

2514
02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:41,300
Even more, even more miraculous 
than the dragons being hatched. 

2515
02:03:41,700 --> 02:03:45,700
Either way, that is the is the 
crucial difference in say what 

2516
02:03:45,700 --> 02:03:47,700
Stannis is willing to do. 
Perhaps least this point or 

2517
02:03:47,700 --> 02:03:49,600
realize other people are willing
to do is that they're actually 

2518
02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:52,100
willing to themselves be in the 
sacrifice. 

2519
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:55,600
And that factors into our 
concept of belief. 

2520
02:03:57,100 --> 02:04:00,200
She didn't sacrifice herself. 
She didn't technically 

2521
02:04:00,200 --> 02:04:02,000
sacrificed her, but she was 
willing to. 

2522
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:09,600
And if her intent was required, 
if spells require pure intent to

2523
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:12,800
work that she had that whereas 
almost anyone else maybe 

2524
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:15,300
wouldn't because they aren't 
willing to give themselves up. 

2525
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:19,400
She also might not have fully 
sacrificed her life, but she 

2526
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:22,000
still made a sacrifice. 
I was even thinking when you're 

2527
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:24,300
saying, no, we don't necessarily
need to break down a percentage.

2528
02:04:24,300 --> 02:04:29,500
Exactly. 
But Say that it was 60% Fire 

2529
02:04:29,500 --> 02:04:33,000
magic 30%. 
Blood magic 10% hair magic. 

2530
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:34,600
A magic. 
That's right. 

2531
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:37,000
You did murder. 
Silver Targaryen are off like 

2532
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:40,500
mmmm. 
You need that this says a lot 

2533
02:04:40,500 --> 02:04:43,500
about blood magic itself to in 
that. 

2534
02:04:43,700 --> 02:04:47,600
As awful as is portrayed as 
shunned as it is, it won't and 

2535
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:49,400
arguably shouldn't be entirely 
shunned. 

2536
02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:54,300
If it has Humanity, saving 
upside, if it can save the world

2537
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:57,900
then. 
Can't entirely write it off. 

2538
02:04:58,100 --> 02:05:01,600
Especially if that threat. 
Is there like every well, What's

2539
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:04,000
It Gonna Save the World from is 
the kind of threat that could 

2540
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:07,200
never realistically happen? 
Well, in this case, the threat 

2541
02:05:07,200 --> 02:05:10,300
is realistically happening, 
Anita says, like, I feel like, 

2542
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:12,200
with any form of sacrifice in 
this universe, the consistent 

2543
02:05:12,200 --> 02:05:14,400
message has been that. 
It has to be yourself. 

2544
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:16,800
Can't sacrifice other people to 
work. 

2545
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:19,900
The hero isn't the guy willing 
to murder his wife or child to 

2546
02:05:19,900 --> 02:05:22,400
get a magic sword. 
It's the person who will stand 

2547
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:24,300
up for everyone. 
No matter the odds and fight for

2548
02:05:24,300 --> 02:05:27,200
what's right? 
Why does Eric, get a true sword 

2549
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:30,100
of light bringer in Santa's 
dozen Barrack really was willing

2550
02:05:30,100 --> 02:05:32,300
to die. 
He was really willing to die to 

2551
02:05:32,300 --> 02:05:34,700
give his life where he did it. 
I mean actually passed his life 

2552
02:05:34,700 --> 02:05:37,600
force on when it came. 
He didn't hem and haw question 

2553
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:38,900
it. 
He just did it and he was 

2554
02:05:38,900 --> 02:05:40,800
constantly putting himself at 
risk for others. 

2555
02:05:41,200 --> 02:05:45,200
That's real sacrifice Daenerys. 
Got the dragons for her exact 

2556
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:47,900
willingness to sacrifice that 
was her quote unquote reward 

2557
02:05:48,500 --> 02:05:53,200
from the gods or from the fates,
or from Destiny, or man, from 

2558
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:57,200
George r.r., Martin, What about 
regular folks? 

2559
02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:58,400
Oh yeah, it was Mary's, blood 
special. 

2560
02:05:58,400 --> 02:06:00,400
I keep coming back to this. 
I have no way to answer that, 

2561
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:03,100
but it feels like she was 
permanently Changed by a long 

2562
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:05,900
career of using magic, and 
whatever that does to you, 

2563
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:08,800
especially if the valyrians made
it, a genetic thing is, we've 

2564
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:13,900
touched on, in this episode, 
Supposedly he didn't L lost him,

2565
02:06:14,200 --> 02:06:17,800
she are a sea star and maybe 
some others have bathed in blood

2566
02:06:17,800 --> 02:06:22,500
just like, wow melisandre's done
this with glamour, she just uses

2567
02:06:22,500 --> 02:06:24,900
illusion to do that. 
Say the same thing about me. 

2568
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,400
Yeah, red hair. 
The prevailing theory is that 

2569
02:06:29,400 --> 02:06:32,300
it's red hair dye that you can 
see and think it's blood. 

2570
02:06:32,500 --> 02:06:35,600
I literally do go through this 
when I die my hair, every few 

2571
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:39,800
months, I found my hair red and 
I go take a shower and I look at

2572
02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:43,600
my stats of blood running down. 
And I'm Like wow, I really I get

2573
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:45,700
it. 
So yeah, I can relate this 

2574
02:06:45,700 --> 02:06:50,200
really explains to know Lawson 
who had shiny red hair red hair 

2575
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:51,700
though. 
So that doesn't really explain 

2576
02:06:51,700 --> 02:06:53,000
why she had Targaryen looking 
hair. 

2577
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:55,000
Our Valerian hair same 
difference in this case. 

2578
02:06:55,600 --> 02:07:13,400
So it was something else. 
Used here but probably not. 

2579
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:14,700
Royal Blood. 
Like, where are they getting? 

2580
02:07:14,700 --> 02:07:17,100
Royal Blood for these rituals? 
You can't just find that 

2581
02:07:17,100 --> 02:07:19,900
anywhere. 
What we're supposed to eat old 

2582
02:07:19,900 --> 02:07:23,400
is kind of a fairytale style 
reference is that Danelle was 

2583
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,300
rumored to send giant bats out 
to kidnap children. 

2584
02:07:27,100 --> 02:07:29,800
That's probably an exaggeration.
But if you were to imagine to 

2585
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:30,800
look, what does that ritual 
sound? 

2586
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,800
Like I said, of strength of the 
horse, going to the rider its 

2587
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:36,100
skin of the child. 
Go into the woman. 

2588
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:39,900
Yeah. 
What is the child going to the 

2589
02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:41,700
hair? 
Yes. 

2590
02:07:42,500 --> 02:07:45,500
Yeah. 
So I thought I heard her say 

2591
02:07:45,500 --> 02:07:48,100
that Echoes here and harrenhal 
though it's kind of hard to hear

2592
02:07:48,100 --> 02:07:50,500
exactly what was being said. 
Yeah, the way I just want to say

2593
02:07:50,500 --> 02:07:53,200
the idea of a giant bats going 
to kidnap children. 

2594
02:07:53,500 --> 02:07:55,900
It probably is exaggerated their
regular size bed. 

2595
02:07:55,900 --> 02:07:59,900
Yeah, giant bats. 
Yeah. 

2596
02:08:00,100 --> 02:08:02,100
Yes. 
It's a little small batch will 

2597
02:08:02,100 --> 02:08:04,200
suffice for children. 
So yeah. 

2598
02:08:04,900 --> 02:08:06,200
If you can do that with regular 
folk. 

2599
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:07,500
I mean, we're not even sure it's
happening. 

2600
02:08:07,500 --> 02:08:11,600
These are rumors but then L lost
and she liked her house the 

2601
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:14,400
Lost. 
Were put down and expunged, 

2602
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:18,900
basically because she turned to 
Black Magic or the Black Arts or

2603
02:08:18,900 --> 02:08:21,400
would have. 
You is kind of put vaguely but 

2604
02:08:21,700 --> 02:08:24,100
she may be really did do blood 
magic or maybe that was all 

2605
02:08:24,100 --> 02:08:27,000
rumor. 
The problem with with with 

2606
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:30,500
pinning it on entirely on rumor.
Is that you would think that if 

2607
02:08:30,500 --> 02:08:35,200
someone was voicing a rumor 
about the now Austin in order to

2608
02:08:35,200 --> 02:08:37,700
get her taken away from 
harrenhal, they would do it. 

2609
02:08:37,700 --> 02:08:41,200
So they could have here at all 
but harrenhal just sat empty or 

2610
02:08:41,200 --> 02:08:42,200
was given to that too. 
We're not. 

2611
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:45,900
So empty was given to the Wentz 
who were like, nobody's they 

2612
02:08:45,900 --> 02:08:48,200
couldn't have been them. 
I don't think they were too 

2613
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:51,100
small scale to have a 
re-engineered this as much, 

2614
02:08:51,100 --> 02:08:55,700
because the rumor about her was 
something that it perpetuated 

2615
02:08:55,700 --> 02:08:58,400
for, like over a decade. 
Like she had stories, were told 

2616
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:01,000
about her during the third, 
blackfyre rebellion in before 

2617
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:04,300
that. 
And she wasn't put down for lack

2618
02:09:04,300 --> 02:09:07,700
of a better word. 
And so, like the year 230 231, 

2619
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:10,800
she's like 12 years later. 
That's when the winds finally 

2620
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:15,500
caught them. 
Maybe they came and red-handed 

2621
02:09:15,500 --> 02:09:20,500
came and went. 
Yeah, yes, no. 

2622
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:22,400
It's the power of animals. 
We talked about the strength of 

2623
02:09:22,407 --> 02:09:25,400
the horse, going to the rider. 
It seemed like a gay from the 

2624
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:27,500
brain of the horse to brain of 
the Beast. 

2625
02:09:27,500 --> 02:09:31,100
Go into the call walking around 
like a horse donkey braying 

2626
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:32,700
donkey brayed. 
Yes, he did not have a 

2627
02:09:32,700 --> 02:09:35,700
certificate but he's pretty 
donkey braying there. 

2628
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:39,600
What about Sammy in the bowl. 
There's Sammy the bull gravano, 

2629
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:41,800
the mobster, but there's Sam 
tarly. 

2630
02:09:41,900 --> 02:09:46,900
Lee who his dad hired, warlocks,
the made him bathe in Bulls 

2631
02:09:46,900 --> 02:09:49,900
blood, to make him Brave 
strength of the bull, go into 

2632
02:09:49,900 --> 02:09:52,700
the tarly. 
You know, it's the worst, both 

2633
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:58,400
things that he could have bathed
in a just can't stop with this 

2634
02:10:01,700 --> 02:10:06,500
Bowls two balls. 
Perhaps there's more to come 

2635
02:10:06,500 --> 02:10:08,300
here. 
I mean we haven't seen the we 

2636
02:10:08,300 --> 02:10:10,700
haven't seen the extent of the 
strength of the elephant. 

2637
02:10:10,700 --> 02:10:14,800
Go into the Tyrion into the 
dwarf story about. 

2638
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:16,900
Randall, taller is perplexing to
me. 

2639
02:10:16,900 --> 02:10:18,900
It seems weird. 
That that's something he would 

2640
02:10:18,900 --> 02:10:19,700
do. 
Yeah. 

2641
02:10:19,700 --> 02:10:24,300
That like, you can be kind of a 
conservative, man, but still 

2642
02:10:24,300 --> 02:10:29,100
have a lot of suspicions and 
hold stock and some real flurry 

2643
02:10:29,100 --> 02:10:29,900
there. 
I don't know. 

2644
02:10:30,300 --> 02:10:35,900
It's like this is like stayed or
someone who wouldn't be down 

2645
02:10:35,900 --> 02:10:39,000
with magical practices, but he's
willing to put it all aside for 

2646
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:41,300
his own game, you know? 
I don't know, I think it's very 

2647
02:10:41,300 --> 02:10:44,800
telling about About Randall that
he would be willing to entertain

2648
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:47,100
warlocks. 
And it's part of was perplexing 

2649
02:10:47,100 --> 02:10:50,700
to me, is it? 
I don't feel like if this he's I

2650
02:10:50,700 --> 02:10:52,200
would say is a major Lord. 
I don't know. 

2651
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:58,100
Maybe that's pretty major. 
Yeah, I mean he and his son s 

2652
02:10:58,100 --> 02:11:00,800
tired warlocks for this Blood 
Magic Ritual. 

2653
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:04,800
Like some other people had to 
know about this right now. 

2654
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:07,400
Are there any rumors stirring 
about him? 

2655
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:10,200
What would have happened? 
Yeah, I mean I want to know 

2656
02:11:10,200 --> 02:11:13,300
what's up with this guy? 
Maybe not him because they're 

2657
02:11:13,300 --> 02:11:15,700
saying this blood magic. 
Yeah. 

2658
02:11:15,700 --> 02:11:17,600
What did his wife think? 
Yeah, she was like, no, don't do

2659
02:11:17,600 --> 02:11:19,500
that. 
Sam just said, Ellen of the 

2660
02:11:19,500 --> 02:11:23,900
castle is interesting, but I 
would guess that there was some 

2661
02:11:23,900 --> 02:11:27,600
people are like, oh, this guy 
can be taken in as a fool, how 

2662
02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:30,500
to scam him. 
And some people who are like, oh

2663
02:11:30,500 --> 02:11:33,800
he's really dedicated and then 
they see him, send his son to 

2664
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:36,000
the wall and they're like, oh 
yeah, he was real dedicated. 

2665
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:39,400
He was, you know, but then any 
thought of scamming him ended 

2666
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:44,100
because he had those Warlocks 
scourged for their failure. 

2667
02:11:45,900 --> 02:11:48,100
Is not someone that I can just 
scam. 

2668
02:11:48,200 --> 02:11:50,200
Yeah, you're right. 
Maybe he heard the whisper. 

2669
02:11:50,200 --> 02:11:52,200
Maybe he heard people. 
Like he just got scammed. 

2670
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:53,600
I like to call my here for 
terra. 

2671
02:11:53,900 --> 02:11:57,500
Terra incognita, says, the only 
ethical blood magic is my plus 

2672
02:11:57,500 --> 02:12:05,400
back and all that if I do it. 
Yeah Randall. 

2673
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:07,700
Terry does seem like the kind of
guy that would be like it's only

2674
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:11,800
I don't think Randall would have
really felt betrayed. 

2675
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:16,600
Up our felt torn of up about his
entertaining of the warlocks, 

2676
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:18,300
right? 
Like, I don't think Randall felt

2677
02:12:18,300 --> 02:12:20,800
was wracked with guilt over 
like, oh, I'm betraying the 

2678
02:12:20,800 --> 02:12:23,500
faith of the seven, really, you 
know, know he was just like, oh,

2679
02:12:23,500 --> 02:12:25,700
this is this might work. 
He's like, I got to be loyal to 

2680
02:12:25,700 --> 02:12:27,400
my house. 
This is what's necessary to get 

2681
02:12:27,400 --> 02:12:29,600
a house going. 
I can't pass this. 

2682
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:33,100
Can't pass the seat to Mize week
son and we'll lose it all, you 

2683
02:12:33,100 --> 02:12:35,600
know. 
Yeah I do feel like he would be 

2684
02:12:35,600 --> 02:12:38,200
suspicious if he found out some 
of the Lord did that though. 

2685
02:12:43,200 --> 02:12:47,700
Blood magic on his son Willis. 
He'd be talking to the king to 

2686
02:12:47,700 --> 02:12:49,800
say, hey, I don't think Mace 
Tyrell should be word, 

2687
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:51,500
Paramount. 
Anyone who would do anything, it

2688
02:12:51,500 --> 02:12:52,700
would be a way to rise. 
Yeah. 

2689
02:12:53,200 --> 02:12:56,300
Ledge issue for power gain 
rather than like the truth or an

2690
02:12:56,300 --> 02:12:58,400
ethical thing to be like, yeah. 
This is just an I could use. 

2691
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:00,500
Yeah, it's all about. 
Yeah, Power games. 

2692
02:13:00,500 --> 02:13:02,000
Not true. 
It's not Justice. 

2693
02:13:02,200 --> 02:13:04,800
What can I get out of this 
brandalynn price says, hey, it 

2694
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:06,700
worked Sam. 
The Slayer he is. 

2695
02:13:11,900 --> 02:13:14,400
Randall, just wasn't patient 
enough rotation. 

2696
02:13:16,200 --> 02:13:18,000
Yeah. 
And he finally hooked up with a 

2697
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:20,600
girl to up there to remember, he
said, he's like, my father would

2698
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:22,300
actually be proud that I 
fathered a son. 

2699
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:27,100
Who's like? 
Yeah, all because of the 

2700
02:13:27,100 --> 02:13:33,200
warlocks, of course, as well as 
get a bad rap and tell you. 

2701
02:13:33,700 --> 02:13:35,800
Yeah. 
Like what if a dragon is killed,

2702
02:13:35,800 --> 02:13:38,300
what if is a dragon is 
sacrificed or strength of the 

2703
02:13:38,300 --> 02:13:41,600
crack tentacles of the crack and
go into the Greyjoy? 

2704
02:13:41,900 --> 02:13:46,700
Yeah, if the draganovic king, 
exactly, there's so many things,

2705
02:13:46,700 --> 02:13:50,500
like the options here are Kings 
Dragon Blood, like, what else is

2706
02:13:50,500 --> 02:13:53,400
your on gonna try? 
Like, what other options is he 

2707
02:13:53,400 --> 02:13:54,500
got Nila? 
What is he else's? 

2708
02:13:54,500 --> 02:13:58,700
You got up that Eldritch sleeve 
of his that Bloody sleeve. 

2709
02:13:58,700 --> 02:14:00,500
What's he hiding behind that eye
patch? 

2710
02:14:00,700 --> 02:14:04,400
Hmm, some more blood magic I 
think and what more will brand 

2711
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:06,600
discover up north like what more
will he discover about the 

2712
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:08,800
history and lore and the past 
the greens. 

2713
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:11,600
Here's that involves some blood 
soaked. 

2714
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:16,300
Topics or to which we might if 
not calling them blood magic, we

2715
02:14:16,300 --> 02:14:20,600
might relate to them use it as a
another point of connection 

2716
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:22,500
between the various types of 
magic and say look here's 

2717
02:14:22,500 --> 02:14:27,000
another similarity between the 
magic system systems in air 

2718
02:14:27,000 --> 02:14:30,200
quotes here because I don't 
think George is defined at that 

2719
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:32,300
way. 
This is our effort to Define it 

2720
02:14:32,300 --> 02:14:35,300
a little bit, but as I said 
before, we won't go too far and 

2721
02:14:35,300 --> 02:14:37,200
over categorizing because that's
not really. 

2722
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:39,100
The point, the point is to get 
closer to it. 

2723
02:14:39,300 --> 02:14:41,700
We can't get all the way there. 
So why set that expectation? 

2724
02:14:41,800 --> 02:14:44,400
Ation the old powers are rising,
as we know. 

2725
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:46,900
Well that surely includes Blood 
match. 

2726
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:51,900
Informs we have yet to imagine. 
So just cast your imagination 

2727
02:14:51,900 --> 02:14:53,900
forward. 
If you have any other ideas or 

2728
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:56,200
characters, you think might be 
involved in blood mr. 

2729
02:14:56,200 --> 02:14:59,400
You could see their plot lines 
veering into that. 

2730
02:14:59,600 --> 02:15:02,900
Let us know. 
In addition to the places we've 

2731
02:15:02,900 --> 02:15:06,000
mentioned surely, there's blood 
magic and other parts of the 

2732
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:10,000
world, like the elemental forms 
of magical sourcing, it seems 

2733
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:13,300
somewhat ubiquitous, if you can.
Discover Magic Fire magic if in 

2734
02:15:13,300 --> 02:15:17,600
the long-gone days of early 
humanity and perhaps whatever 

2735
02:15:17,600 --> 02:15:20,000
came before Humanity, seems like
it would have come up. 

2736
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,500
People would have figured out 
but blood magic was a thing. 

2737
02:15:22,500 --> 02:15:24,100
The same way, they figured those
other ones out. 

2738
02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:29,100
However that was whatever LED 
them to these truths these 

2739
02:15:29,100 --> 02:15:32,700
secrets in the first place. 
Well, they would have probably 

2740
02:15:32,700 --> 02:15:34,200
kept walking down those paths 
released. 

2741
02:15:34,200 --> 02:15:36,300
Some people would have, some 
would have gotten off the path 

2742
02:15:36,300 --> 02:15:38,300
when they saw how dark it was 
and where it was leading. 

2743
02:15:38,700 --> 02:15:41,700
Others might have tried to wield
that sword with no. 

2744
02:15:41,800 --> 02:15:45,300
Built for good like to use for 
fertility and for justice. 

2745
02:15:45,300 --> 02:15:49,600
But for the most part it looks 
like it's been used for Evil 

2746
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:51,900
things and things that are 
banned for a good reason. 

2747
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:56,700
The cost is perhaps not worth 
the results. 

2748
02:15:57,100 --> 02:16:00,000
Nine times out of ten, if not 
more ET seems like a place, 

2749
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:02,100
there would be some blood magic 
is a very sorceress place. 

2750
02:16:02,100 --> 02:16:05,200
Maybe if we ever get aut show, 
we'll get into that. 

2751
02:16:05,200 --> 02:16:07,800
A kingdom of Sorrow nor is a 
place gone now, but it was 

2752
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:10,500
pretty magical and it's time 
there was probably some blood 

2753
02:16:10,500 --> 02:16:13,100
magic there. 
Maybe it was restricted or 

2754
02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:14,700
encourage, we don't know. 
I don't, I don't believe we 

2755
02:16:14,700 --> 02:16:16,600
touched on blood match. 
Specifically when we did our 

2756
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:20,600
Tsar nor episode, but we Did 
touch on how sorceress to place 

2757
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:23,700
was and how ancient some of the 
Magic's involved there were. 

2758
02:16:23,700 --> 02:16:26,300
So it makes sense fits in with 
those other Elemental Magics in 

2759
02:16:26,300 --> 02:16:31,600
that sense. 
Tom Tarr, Talia says Rago is 

2760
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:34,700
dead for years, D plus d equals,
T confirm yet the old 

2761
02:16:34,700 --> 02:16:36,900
time-traveling fetus. 
We got there. 

2762
02:16:36,900 --> 02:16:38,900
For anyone who doesn't know what
that is. 

2763
02:16:38,900 --> 02:16:43,900
That's Drogo plus Danny equals 
curious and I think Tom knew 

2764
02:16:43,900 --> 02:16:47,100
well, that the only way I was 
going to grab that comment was 

2765
02:16:47,100 --> 02:16:52,200
if he did a super Chad, you 
gotta pay for us to say that one

2766
02:16:55,900 --> 02:16:58,200
over there in all of our other 
Friends who were working on 

2767
02:16:58,200 --> 02:16:59,700
focalize? 
Hmm. 

2768
02:17:00,700 --> 02:17:03,799
Every Tuesday at 7:00 eastern. 
They have their streams. 

2769
02:17:03,799 --> 02:17:05,200
Yeah. 
Where they don't talk about 

2770
02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:07,900
time-traveling fetuses, but, 
about folklore. 

2771
02:17:07,900 --> 02:17:12,400
And if there was a folklore 
angle, that included 

2772
02:17:12,400 --> 02:17:15,200
time-traveling fetuses, though 
they would talk about, okay, 

2773
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,700
well, they sure what may be 
there is, there probably is some

2774
02:17:18,299 --> 02:17:21,200
more about time-traveling 
pieces, somewhere in some 

2775
02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:23,299
culture. 
I guess there is now in our 

2776
02:17:23,299 --> 02:17:28,200
culture. 
You're right. 

2777
02:17:28,200 --> 02:17:31,400
I don't know. 
Maybe I should better learn the 

2778
02:17:31,400 --> 02:17:33,200
exact definition of folklore. 
I don't know. 

2779
02:17:33,208 --> 02:17:37,000
I just watch the fuck why stream
was one Tuesday then you'll 

2780
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:41,000
learn be loose. 
And supercharged says, thank you

2781
02:17:41,008 --> 02:17:42,900
guys for what you do and for 
helping me become more educated 

2782
02:17:42,900 --> 02:17:45,400
and delve deeper into this. 
Lure will be joining the 

2783
02:17:45,400 --> 02:17:48,200
Patriots for. 
Oh, well, thank you Bilu is in 

2784
02:17:48,200 --> 02:17:51,600
the chat asking questions about 
the best way to start our 

2785
02:17:51,600 --> 02:17:56,000
catalog and I gave them 
directions on and told them, I 

2786
02:17:56,000 --> 02:17:59,600
think they could start from from
A Game of Thrones in ballerinas 

2787
02:17:59,600 --> 02:18:02,600
or they could start from the 
world of Ice and Fire Valor 

2788
02:18:02,600 --> 02:18:05,200
Rita's, depending on if they 
wanted the main series or if 

2789
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:08,200
they wanted history. 
And so if you had that question 

2790
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:11,799
about about, you know what, how 
to recommend it to someone else 

2791
02:18:11,799 --> 02:18:14,200
and where to start, I think 
those are two good starting 

2792
02:18:14,200 --> 02:18:16,799
points but there's maybe others 
and we have the same thought, 

2793
02:18:16,799 --> 02:18:20,200
but hopefully Bilu that gets you
going and you can just keep 

2794
02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:23,500
going on one playlist and figure
it out from there, very 

2795
02:18:23,500 --> 02:18:25,000
important and related to our 
Patron. 

2796
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:27,900
We have a new feature that is 
Shay has been working on We 

2797
02:18:27,900 --> 02:18:30,500
announced it a long time ago but
it has the added a lot more to 

2798
02:18:30,500 --> 02:18:32,600
it. 
It's a way for people to get 

2799
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:37,000
access to all of our episodes 
because our catalog has grown so

2800
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:41,200
big and both YouTube and all the
podcast platforms are kind of 

2801
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:43,200
struggling with this, but they 
haven't given us any options for

2802
02:18:43,208 --> 02:18:48,000
better ways to find out what a 
creator has to offer. 

2803
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:51,400
Like just a podcast, scroll, you
just scroll through our list of 

2804
02:18:51,407 --> 02:18:52,700
episodes, that's really all we 
have. 

2805
02:18:52,700 --> 02:18:57,200
It is not the most efficient way
to see what we have to offer to 

2806
02:18:57,400 --> 02:19:00,299
Now's our episodes. 
There's no like categorization 

2807
02:19:00,299 --> 02:19:03,799
or tagging and we're not alone 
in this is just how pretty much 

2808
02:19:03,799 --> 02:19:05,900
every YouTube channel, every 
podcast operates. 

2809
02:19:05,900 --> 02:19:10,299
Some have most shows have this 
problem lesser because, well, 

2810
02:19:10,299 --> 02:19:12,400
they have been around as long as
many episodes, but some have the

2811
02:19:12,400 --> 02:19:14,299
problem larger because they have
even more episodes. 

2812
02:19:14,299 --> 02:19:16,299
And how do you know where to 
start? 

2813
02:19:16,299 --> 02:19:18,000
And how do you know where to go?
If you're looking for a specific

2814
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:21,400
topic? 
So something that's rolling out 

2815
02:19:21,400 --> 02:19:25,500
for subscribers patrons, or 
those of you who subscribe to us

2816
02:19:25,500 --> 02:19:28,500
on Spotify, you're going to need
email us and we'll send you 

2817
02:19:28,500 --> 02:19:30,500
manual access to this. 
But if you're on patreon, you'll

2818
02:19:30,500 --> 02:19:35,000
have a link there already and 
it's a categorize eyes full list

2819
02:19:35,100 --> 02:19:38,400
with tags every episode of ever 
done, what platform it's on 

2820
02:19:38,500 --> 02:19:42,100
who's in it, whether it's guests
or whether Sean's in it, whether

2821
02:19:42,100 --> 02:19:44,700
Shay is in it there's a few 
without me that's notated. 

2822
02:19:44,700 --> 02:19:46,500
Just all the little details like
that. 

2823
02:19:46,500 --> 02:19:51,300
We're expanding what details are
included, but it's already got a

2824
02:19:51,308 --> 02:19:54,700
lot. 
It's really useful way to Sort 

2825
02:19:54,700 --> 02:19:57,900
through our back catalogue. 
Yeah, no I am working on that 

2826
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,200
right now. 
It's an episode database, but I 

2827
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:03,000
would like it to be even more 
thorough and I'm working. 

2828
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:04,900
It's a good way for me to learn 
some skills. 

2829
02:20:04,900 --> 02:20:08,100
I'd like to learn about how to 
code this differently but yeah. 

2830
02:20:08,100 --> 02:20:12,000
Anyway, so if you are interested
in databases or anything like 

2831
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:14,500
that and want to talk to me 
about this please reach out to 

2832
02:20:14,500 --> 02:20:16,100
me. 
Yeah it's amazing. 

2833
02:20:16,100 --> 02:20:21,000
What a resource a search of Ice 
and Fire is yeah and fire kind 

2834
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:23,800
of thing but for our podcast 
yeah, which every day. 

2835
02:20:24,200 --> 02:20:25,900
Right. 
Yeah, so it's and I imagine 

2836
02:20:25,900 --> 02:20:27,800
something like that. 
Might become immensely more 

2837
02:20:27,800 --> 02:20:29,500
valuable in the next book comes 
out. 

2838
02:20:29,500 --> 02:20:34,100
Oh yeah I'm or yes, very well. 
Get you guys thinking about one 

2839
02:20:34,100 --> 02:20:36,700
of the things I one of the 
things that will be coming from 

2840
02:20:36,700 --> 02:20:41,300
this is that conceivably we have
all these quotes in our 

2841
02:20:41,300 --> 02:20:45,500
episodes, right? 
It's pretty relatively simple if

2842
02:20:45,500 --> 02:20:50,500
to code in a way that I could 
make it so that you could search

2843
02:20:50,700 --> 02:20:53,200
ever and you can see you could 
search and see every time in an 

2844
02:20:53,200 --> 02:20:56,800
episode of our We mentioned 
Catlin quote just every time a 

2845
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:59,500
certain Catlin quote came up 
across all of our episodes if 

2846
02:20:59,500 --> 02:21:00,900
you were looking for that, for 
example. 

2847
02:21:00,900 --> 02:21:03,300
So I think that's pretty 
exciting that in terms of the 

2848
02:21:03,300 --> 02:21:05,300
search of Ice and Fire Element 
to it because we have 

2849
02:21:05,300 --> 02:21:07,700
transcripts and we have episode 
documents. 

2850
02:21:07,900 --> 02:21:09,400
This is something that'll be 
coming long time. 

2851
02:21:09,400 --> 02:21:12,000
But for now, you can check that 
out on patreon and see the 

2852
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:15,100
database part, but I want to 
make it so that it searches are 

2853
02:21:15,100 --> 02:21:17,400
transcripts in our episode talks
essentially. 

2854
02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:19,300
Yeah. 
So more to come on that we're, 

2855
02:21:19,300 --> 02:21:21,300
this is just the beginning of 
us, rolling it out. 

2856
02:21:21,300 --> 02:21:23,300
We'll be talking more about it 
and making a little more 

2857
02:21:23,300 --> 02:21:25,100
prominent later. 
But if you're already a patron, 

2858
02:21:25,100 --> 02:21:26,500
you can go ahead and start using
it. 

2859
02:21:26,500 --> 02:21:30,000
And if you have sent us a 
donation or our subscriber on 

2860
02:21:30,008 --> 02:21:32,800
Spotify email us and we'll give 
you the link. 

2861
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:35,200
Yes, we don't have a we don't 
have a way to get it to you any 

2862
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:37,500
other way at this time. 
But if something becomes 

2863
02:21:37,500 --> 02:21:39,200
available that way, we'll make 
that thing. 

2864
02:21:39,300 --> 02:21:41,700
So for now, we do it manually, 
pretty simple, send us an email,

2865
02:21:41,700 --> 02:21:43,400
we'll respond quickly and give 
you that. 

2866
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:45,300
Let's complete our wrap-up 
today. 

2867
02:21:45,500 --> 02:21:50,000
Trivia question for different 
women have used the phrase, only

2868
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:53,000
death May pay for Life. 
Those four women are Melisandre 

2869
02:21:53,100 --> 02:21:56,100
Solis. 
Mary Mass door and Daenerys. 

2870
02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:59,800
Only one male does. 
Who is it jock? 

2871
02:21:59,800 --> 02:22:02,500
I might miss talking to God. 
Who are you, where you going to?

2872
02:22:02,508 --> 02:22:04,700
Who's your guest? 
This Keri qyburn. 

2873
02:22:05,100 --> 02:22:07,300
Oh God. 
But with minimal confidence you 

2874
02:22:07,300 --> 02:22:10,000
people guessed him and not cover
and guess jaken. 

2875
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:13,500
You notice I said male not man 
because he's a shapeshifter, 

2876
02:22:13,500 --> 02:22:16,200
he's probably a man but anytime 
you have a shape-shifter, you 

2877
02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:18,200
can be entirely sure of their 
actual gender. 

2878
02:22:18,900 --> 02:22:21,000
Some people sad or some people 
gasp shaking but then on the 

2879
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:22,600
someone else was like, well I 
don't know if we could say Jake 

2880
02:22:22,600 --> 02:22:25,200
because he's a faceless man. 
So we Really know if he's a man 

2881
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:28,700
etcetera. 
Yeah, he said it, he was a male 

2882
02:22:28,700 --> 02:22:32,600
when he was a male when you say 
yes, anyway, and he said in the 

2883
02:22:32,608 --> 02:22:36,200
context was that he saved, our 
area, saved him, and roared, and

2884
02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:40,100
biter from burning to death. 
And so he says, well, I owe you 

2885
02:22:40,100 --> 02:22:41,000
three lives. 
Red. 

2886
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:43,000
God must have his do. 
We're still three lives from 

2887
02:22:43,000 --> 02:22:45,400
real or whedon's, a real, or 
he's at the red God, same thing.

2888
02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:49,000
Got to get him back, only death 
must pay for life. 

2889
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:52,800
So that's a different take on. 
Only death must pay for life. 

2890
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:56,100
That's like the Kids will have 
their do, it's different than a 

2891
02:22:56,100 --> 02:22:59,100
ritual or, you know, you kill 
someone in a meeting, someone 

2892
02:22:59,100 --> 02:23:01,800
else comes back to life. 
This is more metaphysical. 

2893
02:23:01,800 --> 02:23:03,900
Like the gods are not going to 
forget about this debt. 

2894
02:23:03,900 --> 02:23:06,700
You owe them differently. 
Different different approach but

2895
02:23:06,900 --> 02:23:10,700
still result is still kind of 
hinges around orbits around a 

2896
02:23:10,700 --> 02:23:14,200
higher Powers acceptance of 
what's happening or permission 

2897
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:15,900
again. 
Could just be the difference in 

2898
02:23:15,900 --> 02:23:20,900
how a magician from one land 
interpreted differently than a 

2899
02:23:20,900 --> 02:23:23,900
priest from another land. 
It's so fundamental power. 

2900
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:27,300
Our is it work that their ritual
or their understanding of it 

2901
02:23:27,308 --> 02:23:29,300
might be different but it's 
still the same thing. 

2902
02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:33,200
Another reason to sign up for 
our patreon is to join the 

2903
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:36,100
voting processes that happen 
frequently. 

2904
02:23:36,100 --> 02:23:38,000
Next week we're going back to 
characters. 

2905
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:39,900
We had fun with Toros, we're 
gonna do a historical character 

2906
02:23:39,900 --> 02:23:44,100
this time the pole was Hartman 
strong aemon, the dragonknight 

2907
02:23:44,100 --> 02:23:47,700
Margaery Tyrell and Elia Martell
the winner was aemon. 

2908
02:23:47,700 --> 02:23:50,600
The dragonknight are only ever 
Targaryen Kings guard. 

2909
02:23:50,600 --> 02:23:53,900
One of the greatest warriors who
ever lived in Westeros great. 

2910
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:59,500
Story, lots of parallels to 
Jamie and Lancelot in the real 

2911
02:23:59,500 --> 02:24:04,400
world, real world stories. 
Anyway, so those characters will

2912
02:24:04,400 --> 02:24:07,000
get other chances to get an 
episode made about them. 

2913
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:09,400
And if you want to see that 
happen, well, sign up for 

2914
02:24:09,400 --> 02:24:11,300
patreon and give them a vote. 
When that rolls around. 

2915
02:24:11,800 --> 02:24:16,100
In this episode, we mentioned a 
lot of our other episodes, you 

2916
02:24:16,100 --> 02:24:19,900
can use a shade as sorter to 
find them or just scroll and 

2917
02:24:19,900 --> 02:24:23,600
find them yourself. 
Valyrian steel episode would be 

2918
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:25,300
lost. 
Learn steel with Thomas, Pappas 

2919
02:24:25,300 --> 02:24:28,800
are septon Barth episode. 
Of course, the a Shia episode, 

2920
02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:30,700
The Great Empire of the Dawn 
episode which was sort of 

2921
02:24:30,708 --> 02:24:33,300
Companions of each other and I 
recommend the a shy one first 

2922
02:24:33,300 --> 02:24:36,400
and then the great a lead on 
Valerie Rita's chapters, 

2923
02:24:36,600 --> 02:24:40,400
especially the Danny ones, those
in particular are available 

2924
02:24:40,400 --> 02:24:43,600
separately from the rest of 
Valley Rita's so you can check 

2925
02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:45,200
those out. 
That's another patreon /. 

2926
02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:48,300
Spotify subscriber perk are 
Valerie Rita's episodes on 

2927
02:24:48,300 --> 02:24:52,000
valyria are very relevant. 
Our patrons only upside down 

2928
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:54,700
could go sews house manually, 
part Where we talk about some of

2929
02:24:54,708 --> 02:24:58,100
the ancient blood magic 
tangential related stuff, that 

2930
02:24:58,200 --> 02:25:00,300
happened in the ancient North. 
And of course, I mentioned our 

2931
02:25:00,300 --> 02:25:01,400
interview with George r.r. 
Martin. 

2932
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:04,000
There isn't that much in there 
about blood magic, but if you 

2933
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:06,400
wanted to hear the exact wording
of what he said, and when he 

2934
02:25:06,400 --> 02:25:09,400
brought about brought up blood 
magic and incest and want to 

2935
02:25:09,400 --> 02:25:11,300
check that out. 
Plus it's just a really good 

2936
02:25:11,300 --> 02:25:14,400
interview, George is George, and
we got an hour almost an hour 

2937
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:17,300
and half of him and it was a 
great times and worth say that 

2938
02:25:17,300 --> 02:25:20,100
you're trying to sort through 
all of our episodes and you 

2939
02:25:20,100 --> 02:25:22,200
don't have access to that 
episode database yet, or 

2940
02:25:22,208 --> 02:25:23,800
whatever. 
There's two options. 

2941
02:25:23,900 --> 02:25:26,500
For you that I think are useful 
to trying to get through 

2942
02:25:26,500 --> 02:25:30,000
episodes one is our website, 
there is a search bar, it is 

2943
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:33,300
infallible, but it is a help. 
There is that we have a Valor 

2944
02:25:33,300 --> 02:25:36,900
Rita, you know, set of pages 
that go through the timestamps 

2945
02:25:36,900 --> 02:25:39,100
to each chapter on the website 
as well. 

2946
02:25:39,400 --> 02:25:42,600
And on our YouTube channel, 
there's playlist there we can't 

2947
02:25:42,600 --> 02:25:46,600
do playlists on easily for the 
podcast side, but we can do 

2948
02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:49,400
YouTube playlists and you could 
just, you know, kind of use that

2949
02:25:49,400 --> 02:25:51,800
if you were if you want to 
listen to the podcast version, 

2950
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:53,800
you could still go to like our 
man. 

2951
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:57,600
Like playlist on YouTube and be 
like, oh, here's the list of all

2952
02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:00,400
the Magic episodes. 
Let me go find them on podcast, 

2953
02:26:00,500 --> 02:26:03,000
but we're trying to find a 
better long-term solution for 

2954
02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:04,900
this. 
Would fit very squarely into our

2955
02:26:04,900 --> 02:26:07,500
religion Magic series, we don't 
calling it religion and Magic 

2956
02:26:07,500 --> 02:26:08,600
Club magic. 
Yeah. 

2957
02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:12,900
Clearly a part of that playlist 
and so, yeah, you could, then 

2958
02:26:12,900 --> 02:26:15,100
look at all that whole anyways. 
So yeah, YouTube does have 

2959
02:26:15,100 --> 02:26:17,600
playlist for you to look. 
There is kind of a fun thing to 

2960
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:18,800
see how we categorize things. 
I. 

2961
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:22,300
Yeah, and certainly, y'all are 
welcome to suggest new playlist 

2962
02:26:22,300 --> 02:26:23,800
ideas. 
We just whatever works. 

2963
02:26:23,900 --> 02:26:26,900
This was House history and all 
the other stuff. 

2964
02:26:27,100 --> 02:26:31,600
So yeah, whatever we can do 
we're happy to expand on. 

2965
02:26:32,900 --> 02:26:35,100
Thank you to, those of you came 
live. 

2966
02:26:35,100 --> 02:26:37,500
We really appreciate your 
presence, a lot of really good 

2967
02:26:37,500 --> 02:26:40,800
comments and questions. 
The participation was 

2968
02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:44,300
particularly strong today. 
That is blood-magic, got people 

2969
02:26:44,600 --> 02:26:48,200
feeling it, we're in the mood 
for for this topic, I think. 

2970
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:52,100
Yeah, it's job for voting, it 
did win the pole, it was in it 

2971
02:26:52,100 --> 02:26:54,200
won pretty handily, even though,
something even though it was an 

2972
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:57,700
entirely Supernatural topics 
pull, this one was beat out some

2973
02:26:57,700 --> 02:27:01,100
other ones like the undead and 
dream the passing down of 

2974
02:27:01,100 --> 02:27:02,900
aegon's dream. 
And I forget what the other and 

2975
02:27:02,900 --> 02:27:04,700
was so dire wolves. 
Yeah, that was the only one. 

2976
02:27:04,900 --> 02:27:08,300
So those topics as well will 
have another shot at the Apple. 

2977
02:27:08,300 --> 02:27:11,600
Another bite at the Apple chance
to get made into full episodes. 

2978
02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:16,400
So let me also thank Nina for 
her great notes. 

2979
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:20,500
Lot of great takes on the 
conception of blood magic and 

2980
02:27:20,500 --> 02:27:23,700
how it plays a role in the story
and keeping us grounded on some 

2981
02:27:23,700 --> 02:27:25,400
things. 
But also keeping the magic 

2982
02:27:25,400 --> 02:27:28,300
included where it belongs. 
Thanks as well. 

2983
02:27:28,300 --> 02:27:32,800
To Joey Townsend. 
Jesse Koval bran the Builder for

2984
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:37,000
music and video assistance, 
music production video 

2985
02:27:37,000 --> 02:27:39,000
production. 
Y'all have best, Michael are 

2986
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:42,200
found as well. 
Can't forget him, he made. 

2987
02:27:42,300 --> 02:27:43,800
Made these Maps you see behind 
us. 

2988
02:27:43,800 --> 02:27:47,000
You made our original video 
intro and he just finished 

2989
02:27:47,000 --> 02:27:53,000
another movie, a 35 minute film.
What, what is it called, again? 

2990
02:27:54,100 --> 02:27:57,500
Something-something for like 
Wayward Cristo, yeah, but girls 

2991
02:27:57,500 --> 02:28:00,100
Miss st. 
Something say Lucy's and Lucy's 

2992
02:28:00,100 --> 02:28:03,000
home for Wayward girls? 
Lycanthrope equates a grave 

2993
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:05,400
without. 
Yeah, title is tricky. 

2994
02:28:07,200 --> 02:28:09,300
These home for girls Raised by 
Wolves. 

2995
02:28:09,300 --> 02:28:10,500
Yes, there it is. 
There it is. 

2996
02:28:10,500 --> 02:28:12,200
It's based on a short story by 
care. 

2997
02:28:12,400 --> 02:28:15,100
I saw an American author and 
it's a really funny really. 

2998
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:17,700
It has really good like, sound 
mixing and sound effects. 

2999
02:28:17,700 --> 02:28:20,700
Good acting from the kids 
involved Cycles in it. 

3000
02:28:20,700 --> 02:28:24,100
Michael is in it. 
It's got like I mean it was so 

3001
02:28:24,100 --> 02:28:26,400
moving and parts like I, yeah, I
don't know. 

3002
02:28:26,400 --> 02:28:29,000
I would, I thought it was very 
good in Russia on Monday. 

3003
02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:31,200
I could talk to me to say 
because like, it was it's in 

3004
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:33,500
German with like English 
captions. 

3005
02:28:33,500 --> 02:28:37,000
So I can't say if the acting was
good or if I just can't tell bad

3006
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:41,300
acting in German seem good. 
Yeah, I guess all like Michael 

3007
02:28:41,300 --> 02:28:43,800
students and stuff. 
Like they were good like that 

3008
02:28:43,800 --> 02:28:46,900
for regularly forgot that they 
were not werewolf. 

3009
02:28:46,900 --> 02:28:48,500
Girls. 
Good. 

3010
02:28:48,900 --> 02:28:51,200
I was so impressed that kitty 
Shawn's got. 

3011
02:28:51,400 --> 02:28:52,700
Oh yeah. 
Sweet boy. 

3012
02:28:52,700 --> 02:28:56,200
It's like part of his shirt is 
your shirt has eyes. 

3013
02:28:56,200 --> 02:28:59,100
Sean. 
Anyway. 

3014
02:28:59,300 --> 02:29:01,600
So thanks everyone. 
You know what to do? 

3015
02:29:01,700 --> 02:29:04,100
We will see you next week for 
Prince aemon. 

3016
02:29:04,100 --> 02:29:06,900
The dragonknight and soul, then 
bail. 

3017
02:29:06,900 --> 02:29:08,200
Are we beat us?