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Part 1 ended with Baylor 
defeating Damon Blackfire during

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the famous joust at the wedding 
tourney that saw Princess 

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Daenerys Targaryen's sister to 
King Daron the Second, the Good 

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marry Prince Maron Martel, ruler
of Dorn and earning him the name

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Brakespeare. 
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disappointing moment for those 
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to see them join the realm, as 
well As for fans of Damon 

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Blackfyre who didn't want to see
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Had Damon won, it might have 
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anti Dornish sentiments. 
He was sort of the champion of 

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that attitude as well as other 
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As it turned out, for Baylor 
himself, it was a huge win. 

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Daenerys was his aunt, Maron 
Martel his uncle, His very 

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person represented the new 
peace. 

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The Seven Kingdoms at last 
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in his bloodlines. 
His father Daron and grandfather

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slash namesake Baylor the 
Blessed forged the peace, but 

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Daylor Break Spear was the 
physical embodiment of it. 

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He was the produce of those 
marriages, those arrangements. 

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In many ways he was the future. 
A new look for House Targaryen, 

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one that physically actually 
looks more Westerosi, seems 

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appropriate in a sense for a 
newly united 7 kingdoms. 

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All the more perfect then that. 
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Blackfyre, was, to the eyes of 
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despite not technically being 
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Despite that technicality, 
though, he represented the old 

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ways in many ways, hearkening 
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Dragons, when Dorn was an enemy,
a state of affairs that had 

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lasted much longer than the time
of Dragons in Westeros, if we're

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counting. 
By beating Damon in front of so 

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many, he showed that future 
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dust, like the dreams of those 
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quo. 
They saw that slipping away. 

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I wonder how much Baylor felt 
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Did he feel that pressure while 
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Was his victory more than 
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And did he realize that at the 
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Did he think to himself, I can't
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weak, that we aren't capable of 
manifesting the stream of peace.

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It's a lot of weight to have on 
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But he carried it, assuming he 
felt it in the first place. 

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There's a certain irony in a 
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keep peace. 
Don't get violent, or so will 

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we. 
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Earth and Westeros history has 
played out, if we're being 

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honest. 
Sometimes you can only keep the 

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bad guys in line by convincing 
them that they'll lose if they 

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try it. 
And sometimes you have to join a

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trial of Seven to defend a hedge
knight because you think it's 

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the right thing to do, even when
your nephew is the bad guy. 

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But that's of course, much 
later, the end of this episode, 

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we'll deal with that incident. 
It's long after he had convinced

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everyone he was the real deal. 
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established. 
At this point, he's just getting

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there. 
Earlier on, those who might have

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thought him weak because he was 
half Dornish, son of the very 

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non Marshall, bear on the good. 
Those who thought maybe Baylor's

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reputation was undeserved, a 
product of royal propaganda 

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rather than true ability, well, 
they learned how wrong they were

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when they saw that joust, or at 
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it. 
A lot of witnesses to the 

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tourney would have left with a 
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Some of those who plotted 
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this might be harder than we 
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Not that it stopped them. 
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peaceful pro Dornish regime and 
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Baylor breaks spear. 
In Part 1 we covered the 1st 17 

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years of his life here. 
In Part 2 we got the 

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second-half, which spans another
22 years. 

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It should be a bit longer. 
It's a larger document, but hey,

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people often do more things in 
their adult life than their 

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youth. 
Those years coincide as well 

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with some of the most compelling
times in Westeros history. 

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So we've got all that and more 
on this episode of History of 

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Westeros podcast. 
Hello and welcome everyone. 

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It's time for Part 2 of a very 
compelling and interesting and 

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heartfelt story of Baylor Breaks
Beer. 

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Sean, you've got a little 
something in common with or at 

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least you could be, you could 
have something in common with 

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Baylor here and you have 
something in common with one of 

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the important nights, Humphrey 
Harding who fought after 

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breaking his leg. 
Sean had leg surgery, knee 

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surgery on his birthday this 
week, this past week, yet he's 

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here four days ago despite all 
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So we we praise your toughness 
there Sean and hope your 

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recovery is, is going smoothly. 
Mostly here. 

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Bear with me if I blank out or 
fidget or something. 

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You're on the IT got a little 
painkiller than you there. 

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Yeah, so it's the mix of pain 
and painkillers has got me a 

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little uneasy. 
Well. 

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Like Greg worked gain today 
then. 

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Yeah. 
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could be like one of the 
characters is 'cause right now 

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you're not dancing, Sean. 
Dancing is difficult on one leg,

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but if you were wielding, if 
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an injured leg, you could be 
Lancing Sean. 

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Oh, it's like one letter off a. 
Lancing Sean. 

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I can't believe I never thought 
about all these jokes. 

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I know I just, it just came to 
me like an hour ago. 

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All the rest of you should feel 
a failure for not thinking of 

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that first. 
Also, we're all failures. 

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Chat liked your shirt too, Sean.
Denver Yeah, that's right. 

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First time ever national 
champion Denver Nuggets. 

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Nuggets is I don't follow 
basketball. 

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I'm I'm glad your team won, but 
Nuggets is a particularly great 

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name for a team. 
I notice it's like something 

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like some some animal, some 
statuesque powerful animal or 

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something like that, but no 
Nuggets. 

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I love it. 
I don't want to diverge too much

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into basketball, but for you, 
Aziz, or anyone else who doesn't

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follow basketball, particularly 
the Nuggets, have this player 

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Jokic, they call him the Joker 
and he's breaking 50 year old 

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records, Magic Johnson said. 
He's on par with LeBron and 

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Michael Jordan for changing the 
game. 

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Like to give you an idea of how 
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to see him win the championship 
that. 

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Explains why the chat also said 
Joker gang, Joker, gang joker. 

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Gang, I didn't. 
See the connection. 

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By the way, the name Magic 
Johnson is also just. 

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It says a lot, doesn't it? 
Like this guy has a high opinion

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of his junk. 
My Johnson is magical. 

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Yes, that's right. 
Shout out to our good friend 

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Nina, who is a particular fan of
this character in this time 

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period, as am I. 
She added a lot of great notes 

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to this one, as she so often 
does, and I want to point you, 

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as I so often do, to her blog. 
She takes a lot of great 

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questions on A Song of Ice and 
Fire, pointed out that many 

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times, but she also takes 
questions on certain historical 

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periods, in this case, Henry the
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You got a question about Anna 
Pleaves because Henry the Eighth

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is a favorite of hers, so she 
knows a lot about him. 

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Henry the Eighth is the number 
one parallel to Aegon the 

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Unworthy, so you would recognize
a lot of his attitudes and 

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character in Aegon if you 
weren't too familiar with Henry 

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the Eighth. 
So check that out. 

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Good Queen Alley with 
1l.tumblr.com and check out what

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she has to say there. 
I'm way behind. 

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I apologize to everybody, but 
I'm way behind and going through

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the, the chats from our past few
episodes. 

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But I did look at last week's 
Baylor episode and misses Sir 

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Duncan the tall asked who my 
favorite Targaryen was or, or, 

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or where are Baylor ranked among
my Targaryen sections. 

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OK, and so let's think about 
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My, my instinct was like #1 I'm 
pretty sure number one was like,

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well, egg, maybe Amon egg, John.
Wait, which? 

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Amon. 
Amon. 

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Maester Amon, You mean, right? 
Yes. 

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Yes. 
Yeah, I could have been. 

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The he might be #1 Baylor might 
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That's what I think. 
Right on it. 

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OK, I like it. 
I I haven't picked a favorite 

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myself. 
I'll think about that. 

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This episode was voted on by 
patrons. 

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Of course they voted for it a 
couple weeks ago. 

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I did turn into two, two 
episodes as we well, at least as

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at least one person predicted 
correctly. 

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Next week, the voters have 
chosen Pentos. 

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Stay tuned till the end to hear 
what Pentos defeated in the poll

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to make its way into our episode
queue, as well as I'll have 

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suggestions for more episodes 
that are related to this current

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topic and the answer to this 
trivia question, which is 

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forthcoming right now. 
The Lord of Black Tide in the 

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Iron Islands was also a Baylor. 
I say was because Euron cut him 

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into seven pieces. 
Kind of an interesting guy. 

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He was raised as a hostage at 
the Hightower, which is why he 

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turned to the Faith of the 
Seven, which is why Euron cut 

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him into seven pieces 
specifically. 

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The question is, though, what's 
the name of his ship? 

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Hint. 
It's a reference to one of 

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George R Martin's other works 
That might ring a bell for some 

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of you. 
It may enable you to guess 

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otherwise, but the answer at the
end. 

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So Baylor from age 17 to 25. 
That is the ages from the 

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tournament where he earned his 
nickname until the Blackfyre 

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Rebellion. 
It was of course, the major 

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event of the end of the 2nd 
century AC, the Blackfyre 

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Rebellion, but it was a full 8 
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attorney before it actually 
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In that time, of course, the 
groundwork was laid while his 

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father's reign continued to 
reshape the realm, which 

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continued to upset those who 
didn't like the way these 

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changes were progressing, 
especially because they just 

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kept coming. 
Maybe some thought the pace of 

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change would slow down, or 
things would maybe settle, but 

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no change kept happening. 
Here's a quick quote from Sir 

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Eustace Osgre from Sworn Sword, 
our go to Bitter Black Fire. 

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Deron bore the same name as the 
young dragon, but when his 

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Dornish wife gave him a son, he 
named the child Baylor after the

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feeblest king, whoever sat the 
Iron Throne. 

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You can see the anti Dornish. 
You wouldn't mention the race of

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the queen or the wife if it 
wasn't a problem. 

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But he's like Dorn. 
You almost hear him like 

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sneering as his Dornish wife 
gave him a son. 

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He named the child Baylor after 
the feeblest king. 

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I was like, oof, you are bitter,
aren't you? 

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That feeble king who walked 
across the desert barefoot, 

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that. 
Feeble. 

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The one that like went into this
snake pit and came out like OK 

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doesn't. 
Sound so feeble does he. 

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Peaceful, Yeah. 
But feeble? 

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No. 
No, not feeble. 

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Yeah, but his name, you could. 
But that's the point, though. 

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His name said a lot like it 
actually mattered. 

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Even his name was offensive to 
some people. 

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They found everything to, like, 
pick at the things they didn't 

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like about the other side. 
And it's just, yeah, it really 

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stuck in his craw. 
Even your name is offensive to 

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me, damn it. 
So just as he physically 

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represented the realm and his 
look and his bloodlines, also 

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his name. 
Let's talk more about the 

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appearance, because that is 
maybe even more notable the 

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thing that that stands out. 
We talked about the Dornish 

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Targaryen connection, how that's
embodied within him. 

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But it's not just that he looked
Dornish, it's that he looked 

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different than literally every 
other Targaryen king who would 

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actually sat the throne to this 
point and most Targaryens 

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period. 
So it wasn't just looking 

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Dornish. 
It wasn't, it was not looking 

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Targaryen. 
So there's this kind of a double

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whammy in that sense. 
Of course he never actually 

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ascended the throne, but it it 
really looked like he would for 

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a variety of reasons. 
He didn't really look Targaryen 

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even a little bit and he was 
clean shaven. 

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Not super unusual but not 
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More Targaryens and just 
Westerosi general men would have

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beard than not. 
Makar his younger brother had a 

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silver hair and full beard 
silver beard thing going so even

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his younger brother looked like 
that. 

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Now Darren the second was also 
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Second, and so was Darren the 
first. 

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Darren, the first was, you know,
14 to 18. 

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So maybe he didn't, maybe he 
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I'm not sure about that. 
Nina says also that he was very 

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fastidious. 
You know, he was a military 

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efficient military commander. 
So it may have been more of a, 

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an intentional thing. 
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kings had beards. 
Even Baylor the Blessed had a 

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beard. 
Agon the Unworthy had a beard. 

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Nina says Agon the Unworthy's 
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were trying to look different 
because Agon grew his beard to 

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conceal his his jowls is over. 
He was so overweight that the 

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beard was actually like a way to
conceal some of that. 

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So Nina suggests it's kind of a 
metaphor for his reign. 

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And they were trying to distance
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attitude, that look and just 
that everything, anything that 

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reminds them of them. 
So they went the opposite. 

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They didn't use his crown, they 
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didn't have his attitudes of 
excess and lots of other things,

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lots of things to be different. 
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another complaint against 
Baylor, as we said there that in

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that quote. 
Meanwhile, Damon had a warrior's

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name, right? 
He's related to Damon Rider of 

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Craxies and Damon Valarian, who 
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master of ships who died in 
battle. 

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Like there's been several famous
warrior Damons. 

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Whereas the only Baylor we've 
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peaceful king, as we, as we say,
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which some people associate with
weakness. 

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But he looked like a warrior. 
That helped a lot. 

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He had that twice broken nose, 
which, you know, that's the 

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thing that we don't know when he
got the, his nose broken, but it

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was fighting, right? 
It was in tournaments or, or 

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battle or something. 
But you know, you don't that 

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that helps make you look like a 
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You have some battle scars. 
It's a type of scar, basically. 

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It might have been a knitting 
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Knitting accident. 
He was always knitting while 

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climbing stairs, and he was not 
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going, you know? 
So this next section is called 

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the United Kingdom of Westeros, 
the UK of Westeros. 

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That's right. 
In part because Westeros is 

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shaped like the UK turned 
around. 

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Yeah. 
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called the Seven Kingdoms, even 
with Dorne added to it. 

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That's a topic for another time,
why the number didn't change and

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why it really wasn't Seven in 
the first place. 

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But yeah, like I said, story for
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it, meaning everything not north
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authority of the Iron Throne. 
This is a gigantic change, 

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right? 
It's a huge difference. 

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Darn had been an independent 
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Nymeria's conquest. 
Prior to her coming had been a 

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massive shifting independent 
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Westeros was or had been at 
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Now this was later in that era, 
so it wasn't like 100 kingdoms 

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the more powerful houses had 
established themselves. 

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There's more like 6 kingdoms. 
Maybe if if we go by how many 

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kings Nymeria sent to the wall 
in Golden Fetters. 

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Anyway, it was 6. 
So that's a a good number to to 

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rest on. 
And as an aside, we've never 

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really focused on how Dorn felt 
that being bought, brought into 

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the realm. 
But they've talked about it from

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the Lesterosi perspective and 
how all these marcher Lords 

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hated it. 
And some of them were for it. 

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But we never talked about like 
how the Dornish felt about it as

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well as we do with Westeros. 
It wouldn't be a monolith. 

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Some of them would be cool with 
it, some of them would be very 

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happy with it, some of them 
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Same ones. 
You could look at some of the 

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same circumstances to decide and
figure out who who hated it. 

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The ones on the border probably 
hated it. 

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They're the ones that had their 
identity was so established via 

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warring with the people on the 
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Just like the Marcher Lords 
didn't like seeing Dorn as an 

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ally. 
Well, the Dornish people on that

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side probably felt similar, but 
not all of them. 

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Some of them were probably like,
finally we're done with this 

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crap. 
We can, we can like I can farm 

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now and not worry as much about 
someone coming in and burning my

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farm. 
At least if they do, it'll be a 

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Dornish person. 
And which isn't better, but you 

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know, it's less likely to 
happen. 

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So like for example, the 
Ironwoods, good chance the 

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Ironwoods didn't like it. 
The Ironwoods are on the border 

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there. 
They've, they already resent the

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Martells for being more powerful
than them, and this was a step 

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up for the Martels to be even 
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So the distance between the two 
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A lot of potential resentment 
there. 

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The the iron would still call 
themselves the blood royal. 

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It's like their, their Lord is 
called the blood Royal. 

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Like that's, that's pretty, 
pretty bold. 

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You know, it made me pretty 
bold, but it also reminds me of 

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the, oh, is that a Tywin quote? 
It's like if you have to tell 

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people that you're the king, 
yeah. 

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And so we're not positive, but 
the Ironwood's probably fought 

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for the black fires in the first
black fires. 

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They definitely fought for them 
in some of the others, but 

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probably the first as well. 
Of course, a big problem here 

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would be prejudice on both 
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It's not just losing their place
in the world saying our identity

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was in as as warriors on the 
border, but after so long being 

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worried in the border, yeah, 
they have hatred towards that 

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other side. 
So it's not a thing you can 

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erase overnight having this like
we hate the Dornish or we hate 

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the marchers. 
So that's the problem. 

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But it's a worthy problem to 
tackle, one that if if tackled 

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well in the long term, creates a
lot of peace. 

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And we can Fast forward to song 
by some fire, the marchers in 

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the Ironwoods. 
And they said these houses don't

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love each other. 
But it's, no, it's nowhere near 

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as bitter as it used to be. 
So there has been a lot of 

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progress, even though it's maybe
not quick progress. 

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But hey, thousands of years of 
history takes a long time to 

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undo. 
So. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, that type of thing. 

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You're talking generations, you 
know, like, I think about that a

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lot. 
In the real world, it doesn't 

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matter what 2 politicians in 
some of the country got together

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and decided, OK, we're at peace 
now. 

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You killed my uncle last week. 
You know what I mean? 

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The person on the ground in that
village wants revenge for the 

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the the actual violence exacted 
on them in recent time. 

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That doesn't go away 'cause some
politicians steal. 

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Yeah, you're right. 
It gives them a reason to not do

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it. 
It gives them a penalty for 

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continuing the violence. 
It doesn't make them stop hating

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the other side though. 
That's that it takes longer. 

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That is a you're right. 
A lot of times it takes multiple

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generations for them to get over
people who didn't have didn't 

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directly suffer at the hands of 
those that they're now told to 

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be peaceful with. 
Yeah, but there wasn't it, it. 

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It would be wrong to say that 
racism, prejudice, things like 

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that are the only reasons for 
animosity here. 

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Dorne, as part of the peace 
deal, wasn't given the same laws

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and restrictions imposed on them
like the rest Feroz. 

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So the Starks, the Baratheons, 
the Tullys, they had stricter 

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rules, more taxes, things like 
that than Dorn and that of 

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course, you can see why that 
would be a thing that makes them

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chafe and say, well, why do they
have to pay less? 

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Why? 
And and they get to still be 

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called the Prince of Dorn. 
You know they're it's not a they

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didn't lose their title, right. 
A Darnish person might be able 

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to say, look, doll, the reason 
we get these so-called 

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concessions is because Aegon and
his sisters conquered. 

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You failed to conquer us. 
In fact, you people failed to 

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conquer us repeatedly. 
Yeah, we don't have to give up 

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as much as you did. 
We were invited to join and we 

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accepted. 
We weren't forced. 

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We didn't lose. 
You know, that's not maybe not 

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the nicest thing to say. 
Why not make them feel better? 

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But sitting back like we can do 
and and we're not involved 

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personally, he was like, yeah, 
that is kind of true, isn't it? 

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But you could also see why that 
would maybe not be great to have

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this imbalance of laws. 
Nina also points out dare on the

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second didn't get full buy in 
from his vassals making this 

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arrangement. 
It was kind of a we're doing 

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this and you're going to like 
it. 

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Of course it started before him,
Baylor and etcetera. 

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But there was plenty that just 
didn't like it. 

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And these are powerful people 
who didn't like it. 

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And that's part of where we get 
to the Blackfyre Rebellion, you 

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know, eight years later or so 
now. 

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Not to mention, though, there's 
even more favors. 

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First of all, you get the, the 
lead, the tax write offs, the 

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the title gets to be kept in 
place. 

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But also there's just more 
favors implied. 

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You're married to the king. 
You just, you got to figure the 

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King's going to give some favors
to his own family. 

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So they that's just implied that
they're going to get even more. 

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Benefits from this arrangement, 
ones that aren't necessarily 

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written down or quantified, but 
it's clearly there because this 

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is your your in laws, right? 
Some might have even seen it as 

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more of a dual monarchy rather 
than one Kingdom subject to 

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another. 
And that would have enhanced the

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bad feelings. 
And hard to say they're entirely

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wrong. 
Like Doran was allowed to 

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operate independently in a lot 
of in a lot of ways. 

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So throughout all this, what did
Daylord do? 

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Baylor's got a lot of new 
responsibilities. 

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He sees this as part him. 
He's part Dornish. 

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He's the bridge for a lot of 
this. 

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I would think, given the way we 
see him act, given the way we 

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see him behave later, he 
wouldn't descend into 

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factionalism. 
In fact, he would probably try 

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to do the opposite. 
He would probably try to avoid 

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factionalizing and try to 
constantly reach out to the 

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other side. 
He would obviously still be 

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associated with the dormer side.
I think that's his family and 

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his in laws were Dondarians who 
were marcher house. 

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Maybe the only marcher house in 
his corner. 

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Though the others might have 
still been upset with the 

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arrangement. 
Maybe they looked down on the 

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Dondarians as well. 
A lot of unanswered questions in

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terms of who felt what about 
who, but it's, it's a really 

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excellent setup. 
Another thing Deron did to 

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denote the peace, to try to 
enshrine it, to make it more 

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physical, to make it more 
permanent, was the building of 

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Summer Hall. 
The site was chosen with a lot 

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of intent. 
It's right near the border of 

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Dorne, the Stormlands and the 
Reach. 

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There's actually a little area 
where the the Realms actually 

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come together and it makes it a 
little of a unique spot. 

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Now, of course, it's in ruins, 
which is which is symbolic in 

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another way, but it's a it's a 
sensible place to to meet and 

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we'll see later how that comes 
into play. 

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The peace was a great 
achievement. 

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So commemorating it is makes 
sense to do that. 

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It also said signals that this 
is something he expected to 

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last, something semi permanent, 
if not actual permanent. 

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And it's not a castle, it's not 
a what's really important is 

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it's not a fortress. 
That's intentional and 

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important, not a military 
installment, because if you're 

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building a base here, that 
doesn't scream peace, does it? 

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That sounds like, sounds like 
the opposite, really. 

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But this is a palace. 
It's called Summer Hall, right? 

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00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,000
It's the opposite of winter. 
It's a nice place. 

448
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,520
It's not a it's not defensible 
hardly at all. 

449
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,120
You wouldn't expect it to be 
used as a military place. 

450
00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:35,360
The location is important 
strategically, but it's not a 

451
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:37,400
Fort. 
So he almost intentionally took 

452
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,280
a military location and made it 
peaceful as part of the symbol. 

453
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,400
Which I think is pretty cool and
clever for George as writing as 

454
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,120
well. 
It kind of like how Castle Black

455
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,440
is in. 
You can't defend Castle Black 

456
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,840
from the South. 
Like if the Starks attack Castle

457
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,160
Black, it's doomed. 
It's built to defend from 

458
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,320
something coming from the north.
Summer halls like that except 

459
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,560
all directions. 
The no direction is well 

460
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,360
fortified there. 
It definitely I, I, I also like 

461
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,440
that idea. 
It's a on multiple levels. 

462
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,640
It's really good. 
You get to have a much more 

463
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,200
efficient and maybe cheap palace
built when you're not worried 

464
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,920
about military fortifications, 
right. 

465
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,280
You don't have to have this 
extra staff and food and 

466
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,000
armaments and stuff. 
And then once you establish a 

467
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,280
being that way, it's also this 
signal, like, why would you 

468
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,360
attack this? 
Like, clearly this is here for 

469
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:26,960
peace's sake. 
Yeah, it's something we can 

470
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,760
share, something we can grow 
around. 

471
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,200
And yeah, it is extra symbolic 
for it to burn down. 

472
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,360
That would maybe be why they 
would attack it, not as a 

473
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:36,760
military target, but they just 
to show their contempt for the 

474
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,080
peace or for what it stands for,
not because it has a yeah, not 

475
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,000
as a military. 
But for them to do that, it's 

476
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,720
extra symbolic too. 
It's sort of like the clan war. 

477
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,520
You can't, you know, It's like, 
it's no small thing if you 

478
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,760
attack this. 
Yeah, you're right. 

479
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,160
Everyone would would understand 
what's being attacked. 

480
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,760
It's not Summer Hall so much as 
it is the peace. 

481
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,160
So technically the Prince of the
Crown Prince is always the 

482
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,080
Prince of Dragonstone. 
That's been a tradition for a 

483
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,400
long time. 
Still is. 

484
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,480
And Baylor was Prince of 
Dragonstone. 

485
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,080
But with Summer Hall out there, 
the Targaryen said options. 

486
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,600
At least one Prince of 
Dragonstone preferred Summer 

487
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,960
Hall. 
We don't know how Baylor was 

488
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,000
with it. 
Makar spent a lot of time there 

489
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,440
even before he was Prince of 
Dragonstone. 

490
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,360
And Daron the Drunkard is the 
one I'm referring to, Makar's 

491
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,800
son, who was Prince of 
Dragonstone for a long time, but

492
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,440
he preferred Summerhall. 
And Rhaegar preferred the ruins 

493
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,200
of Summerhall to Dragonstone. 
So that's another Crown Prince. 

494
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,880
He preferred Summerhall, but not
quite the same context. 

495
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,720
We mentioned last time that at 
some point Baylor got betrothed 

496
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,720
to Jenna Dondarian. 
Within a couple of years of 

497
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,480
being married, Valar would have 
been born Valar Targaryen, the 

498
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,480
young Prince who looked a little
more Targaryen than his father. 

499
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,200
He had a silver streak in his 
hair. 

500
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,080
He had light blonde hair or 
light brown hair with a silver 

501
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,880
streak, a little like Dark Star.
Maybe Dark Star's hair is more 

502
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,920
black with the silver streak, if
I if I remember correctly, but 

503
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280
he's the only other person I I 
can think of that has that 

504
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,960
silver streak. 
That's not true. 

505
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,360
There's one of the Raina Elena. 
That's right. 

506
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,560
Elena was the other one with the
streak, but it is silver and 

507
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,680
gold, not not silver and black 
or brown. 

508
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,000
Right. 
Two different colors. 

509
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,800
Cool and Valar also has blue 
eyes, which is not necessarily 

510
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,160
Targaryen, but it's closer to 
the purple than Baylor's brown 

511
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,160
eyes. 
It just like Aegon in the main 

512
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:36,680
novels has blue eyes and the 
blue hair makes his eyes pop 

513
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,360
more, which is maybe a way to 
make them look less purple or. 

514
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,120
But it's what it said is it's a 
way to honor his Thai Rashi 

515
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,960
mother, his Thai, which is maybe
an in joke fact that all black 

516
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,480
fires were mothered by Rohan of 
Thai Rash. 

517
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,600
Yeah, Yeah. 
It's kind of interesting that he

518
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,960
looks more Targaryen than his 
father. 

519
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,120
You wonder if that was like they
saw that as a good thing, like 

520
00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,760
eventually the realm will be in 
his hands. 

521
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,560
Someone who kind of is the 
physical embodiment of both 

522
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,800
sides. 
Maybe not really clear and then 

523
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,720
Mataris would have been born. 
We have no idea when Mataris was

524
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,360
born. 
Valar's age is a little clearer,

525
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,320
but it seems like Mataris was 
pretty close and to Valar's age.

526
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,040
His nickname was the even 
younger Prince. 

527
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,920
So the young Prince and the even
younger Prince. 

528
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,920
He also may have had a similar 
look, but we don't know what he 

529
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,880
looked like at all. 
We don't know if he had streak 

530
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,560
or brown hair or silver hair. 
Completely unknown. 

531
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,680
But these names, Valar and 
Mataris never had names like 

532
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:31,600
that before. 
Completely new. 

533
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,120
These are different styles. 
So not only do we have this new 

534
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,920
world of Targaryen, Dornish 
merging, it comes with new 

535
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,400
names. 
I I think that's a sign of the 

536
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,480
new culture, Nina says. 
Mataris is similar to the 

537
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,520
Valyrian city, Mantaris. 
It's just one and away, and 

538
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,840
there's a Valerian named 
Montaris, which is also kind of 

539
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,160
close, but definitely not the 
same. 

540
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,880
You can kind of maybe see the 
origin there. 

541
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840
It's a little bit Valyrian, but 
it's clearly not Targaryen. 

542
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,720
So they may have been trying to 
pick something that sounds 

543
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:09,000
Valyrian but is distinctly not 
Targaryen as a way to denote the

544
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,800
change within the dynasty, which
is really great detail. 

545
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,760
I love that this is part of it. 
And Valar, by the way, if you're

546
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,280
not clear, it's not spelled like
Valar, Doheris or Valar. 

547
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,840
Reread us. 
It's 2 Rs in the Valar, which 

548
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,760
is, yeah, a little interesting. 
Kind of like the name Becerra, 

549
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,640
which has two Rs, which is a 
little uncommon to see the 

550
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,440
Targaryen names not end in like 
an S, so many of them end in S 

551
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,760
or N, you know, especially S 
Rhaegar is a little different. 

552
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,080
So I would have really liked to 
see it and we'd never actually 

553
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,840
seen it. 
But consider how a lot of houses

554
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,480
match their two sigils up when 
they're showing their heritage. 

555
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,040
Sometimes they quarter it, 
sometimes they make a 

556
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,520
combination sigil. 
Like Bitter Steel's is so cool 

557
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,960
with the horse breathing fire 
and having wings. 

558
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,160
That one's one of my favorites. 
Imagine this. 

559
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,800
Stannis's is pretty cool. 
Stannis is really cool too. 

560
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,960
I agree, but imagine the sweet 
dual heritage you get from 

561
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Dondarian's purple lightning and
a dragon. 

562
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,040
Like that's awesome. 
You could have the purple 

563
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800
lightning behind it, like 
framing it or like shooting out 

564
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,360
of their eyes, eyes or out of 
their mouth. 

565
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,240
Like which dragon is it in D&D? 
The blue Dragons, the breathe 

566
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,760
lightning, Right? 
That's their Yeah, it's the blue

567
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,640
Dragons, the breathe lightning. 
And so it just reminds me of 

568
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,640
stuff like that. 
And purple. 

569
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,240
It's purple lightning too. 
It's purple for Targaryens. 

570
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,880
It fits so well. 
Someone draw that. 

571
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,080
So as we get closer to the 
rebellion and the timeline, it 

572
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,360
becomes all the more important 
to check in with where things 

573
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,120
stood with regard to loyalties 
within the House of the Dragon. 

574
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,480
I'm, I'm glad I could use that 
phrase, House of the Dragon to 

575
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,680
represent multiple families 
under one umbrella, because it's

576
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,320
not just Targaryen we're talking
about anymore. 

577
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,040
In other words, who seemed to 
stand where as the divisions 

578
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,280
grew early on. 
Of course the Reds faction it 

579
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,160
wouldn't have been called that 
yet but they're on of course 

580
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Baylor, Aries, Regal, Makar and 
Bloodraven. 

581
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Now Paris and Regal weren't 
around a whole lot they were 

582
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,600
Regal wasn't all there mentally.
Aries was reading books but 

583
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,880
Makar and Baylor were warriors. 
Blood Raven was a hard liner and

584
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,680
a warrior and and hyper loyal. 
He at some point got Ravens 

585
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,240
teeth and dark sister. 
More on that in a minute. 

586
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,120
Nina points out of course Queen 
Mariah Martel as well and maybe 

587
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,800
some other Dornish nobility that
would have been around at her 

588
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,480
court. 
She would have maybe had ladies 

589
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,880
in waiting from amongst the 
nobility and their families 

590
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,960
would be on the red side. 
Certainly you wouldn't have 

591
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,720
ladies in waiting from families 
whose loyalty is not very solid.

592
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,120
So there's a lot of room for 
just some, some some unknowns 

593
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,080
that would have been around that
aren't named by the history 

594
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,760
books, but that still could have
been pretty important. 

595
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,880
And even if they weren't 
important, just their presence 

596
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,400
would tell us a lot about who 
stood where on the Black Side. 

597
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,200
Damon and Agor, of course. 
Dana, the Defiant, if she was 

598
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,640
still around, that's a big open 
question as to when she was, 

599
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,240
when she died. 
But by this time, let's not 

600
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,760
forget young Aegon and Eamon, 
the Damon's twins, and then 

601
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,280
Damon the Second, who of course 
wouldn't have been called Damon 

602
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,280
the Second. 
He would have been, I don't 

603
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,360
know, Damon Junior, they don't 
use that term in Westeros. 

604
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,440
But young Damian, little Damon, 
little Damon. 

605
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,640
Plenty of gold chains for their 
Valyrian steel chains. 

606
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,240
What's that? 
Damon? 

607
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,040
Damon. 
IN. 

608
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,920
MIN. 
He's Bill Damon. 

609
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Danax and Damon. 
Yeah, Damon. 

610
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,880
He was born in 189, two years 
after the wedding tournament. 

611
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,000
So he would have been nine years
old when the Black Fire man 

612
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,240
broke out. 
So old enough to have been aware

613
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,480
of a lot of goings on and maybe 
started to have dreams as well. 

614
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,680
More on that later, too. 
Little Damon is a much better 

615
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,520
nickname than even younger 
Prince. 

616
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,680
Even younger Prince is not the 
most creative nickname, although

617
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,120
it is funny. 
It doesn't roll off the tongue 

618
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,120
very well. 
I mean it's. 

619
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,960
EYP, even that's, like, hard to 
say properly. 

620
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,240
Even the acronym isn't great. 
Damon also had four other sons 

621
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,600
and at least two daughters, most
of whom had to have been born 

622
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,680
before 196 or or maybe, if not 
all of them, because Bitter 

623
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,280
Steel grabbed them all and fled 
overseas with them after the 

624
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,480
war, after the Red Grass Field. 
And of course, Damon wasn't 

625
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,000
having more kids after he died 
unless Rohan was pregnant, so at

626
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,640
most one more child could have 
been born. 

627
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:27,400
So she was probably at court as 
well, if not back at their keep 

628
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,280
constantly popping out children 
because that was quite a 

629
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,080
schedule of having children, 
nine children in between their 

630
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,320
marriage in the year, like 186 
or 185. 

631
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,680
So it's a lot of kids. 
And, and even if Damon hadn't 

632
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,000
been planning on rebelling, 
because we, we we hear he was, 

633
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,200
you know, gradually convinced to
do it, it wasn't something that 

634
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,120
he just like, wanted to do, but 
held back for a long time. 

635
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,480
So early on, you might have been
hearing comparisons, though, 

636
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,800
like comparing the family of 
Baylor to the family of Damon 

637
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,960
and like, oh, Damon's got more 
sons. 

638
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,200
He's more of a man, you know, 
this kind of silliness that it 

639
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,000
comes out sometimes, but it 
probably happened, right? 

640
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,120
Because we know that is a thing 
that that Westerosi men judge 

641
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,920
themselves by, even though it's 
really has a lot more to do with

642
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,480
the woman, you know. 
But regardless, that sort of 

643
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,520
talk probably happened. 
Elena Reyna as well. 

644
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,320
We wonder about them. 
Reyna would have probably been 

645
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,400
for peace. 
That seems pretty 

646
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,640
straightforward. 
She was a SEPTA. 

647
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,240
She was very pious. 
So I don't know about taking 

648
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,360
sides in terms of factions. 
She would take sides with the 

649
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,800
idea of peace. 
I think that's one of the safer 

650
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,400
bets we have here. 
But there's a chance she 

651
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,520
preferred her trueborn family 
because the seven teaches that 

652
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,240
bastards are, you know, bad news
and teaches they're born of lust

653
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,520
and envy and things like that. 
So she may have believed in that

654
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,240
instead of, you know, 7 rooted 
propaganda. 

655
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,120
Elena is, well, not pious, but 
she was master of coin for Daron

656
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,680
the second later and she married
adornishment for love later. 

657
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,440
So she wasn't later. 
There's nothing that indicates 

658
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,040
she was ever on that side of 
things and plenty to indicate 

659
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,800
she was on her family's side. 
Also used as Osprey. 

660
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,760
Nina points out complaints about
women whispering and and Daron's

661
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,240
ear. 
This is very probably one of the

662
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,240
women he was referring to 
because she was a power behind 

663
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,760
the throne, a very influential 
woman who didn't officially have

664
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,680
a seat at counsel, but was, as 
we said, basically the master of

665
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,760
point. 
De facto master of point, made 

666
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,280
the decisions but didn't have 
the title. 

667
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Now, how old was Valar? 
We guessed about how old Damon 

668
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Junior was Damon, but Valar was 
probably around 20 in the hedge 

669
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,880
night. 
Maybe a couple years older, but 

670
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,000
he couldn't have been too much 
older. 

671
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,360
So he could have been old enough
to be a Squire during the red 

672
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,160
grass field. 
So he could have been he might 

673
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,360
have even be at his father's 
side. 

674
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,680
It wouldn't necessarily have 
been mentioned. 

675
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,920
Like Squires don't get a lot of 
attention necessarily, 

676
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,480
especially if nothing happens to
them, but very possible. 

677
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,840
And someone like Baylor, like 
Jamie, think about Jamie having 

678
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,199
like he's like, I got more 
Squires than I can shake a stick

679
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,080
at. 
Like what do I? 

680
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,000
This is just a thing. 
You just nobles who are good at 

681
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,120
fighting as a point of alliance,
as a point of pride. 

682
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,040
You just get Squires thrown at 
you and and Baylor breaks beer. 

683
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,440
Being who he was, he had to have
just gotten a ton of offers to 

684
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,159
Squire youngsters. 
But his own son, his own heir, 

685
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,600
obviously, he's got the inside 
track. 

686
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,000
You know, they might have 
thought it better to have him 

687
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,239
learn from somebody else. 
But surely he, you know, from 

688
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,360
his father seems very likely and
which would be interesting 

689
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,639
putting him around the same age 
as maybe as as twins Aegon and 

690
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,600
Amon, maybe a little younger 
than them, which means he may 

691
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,120
have trained with them, which is
a normal thing to do as well 

692
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,280
because Baylor and Damon trained
together. 

693
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,640
Maybe it's a way to make them be
friends and keep them from 

694
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,040
having animosity later the same 
thing we see the Dance of the 

695
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,520
Dragons. 
It didn't work out there. 

696
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,040
The the children of Rainiera and
the children of Allison had to 

697
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,800
be kept separate. 
But that's why you try to put 

698
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,400
them together. 
That's why you try to make that 

699
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,880
work so that it doesn't descend 
into that level of animosity 

700
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,200
that eventually leads to war. 
And of course there's people 

701
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,520
outside the family that we 
should keep stock of other 

702
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,440
people around the Red Keep like 
we said, maybe whereas ladies 

703
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,560
and waiting would be a good 
example. 

704
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,200
But also fireball, the red keeps
master at arms. 

705
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,040
We mentioned him a few times. 
The Kingsguard. 

706
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,040
The Kingsguard would be buddy 
buddy with guys like Baylor and 

707
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Damon and they also have their 
duties to attend to. 

708
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,120
They would have their personal 
loyalties and preferences, but 

709
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,000
they all about be waiting 
against their duties. 

710
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,440
Which of course is a Kingsguard 
is a really interesting sub 

711
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,680
topic. 
And if some of these guys may 

712
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,400
have had real qualms based on 
how the rebellion broke out and 

713
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,160
who took what side. 
As far as we know, all the 

714
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,160
Kingsguards stayed loyal. 
None of them went to Damon, but 

715
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,400
they may have felt bad about 
that. 

716
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,840
You know, they may have. 
Well, I'm sure they didn't feel 

717
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,760
good about it. 
You know, think about Rhaegar 

718
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,440
and how he was really close with
some of the Kingsguard. 

719
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,760
They were really tight with him.
Now, part of that is because 

720
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,320
there was real animosity between
him and his father, and there 

721
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,400
was a need to take sides well 
before anything happened, 

722
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,080
whereas that may not have been 
the case here. 

723
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,680
We don't know how much 
factionalizing happened ahead of

724
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,720
time, but it seems likely some 
of the Kings guard would have 

725
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,840
thought Damon was the better man
even though Baylor was so great.

726
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,840
Do we know who the different 
Small Council members were at 

727
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,320
that time? 
We only know one or two. 

728
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,920
One of them was Lord Butterwell.
The same Lord Butterwell from 

729
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,960
the mystery night. 
The one who tried to run the 

730
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,440
Black Fire wedding. 
Not rebellion, but. 

731
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,000
The brown which? 
Is interesting because we know 

732
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,040
that Daron, when he took over, 
he fired all his father's small 

733
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,880
counselors and one of them was 
this Butterwell. 

734
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,720
Butterwell was master coin. 
So for some reason he was he 

735
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,560
undid that and brought him back 
at a higher rank as hand of the 

736
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,640
king. 
So it was Nina's suggestion is 

737
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,320
that this was like a concession 
for balance within these 

738
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,880
political factions that were 
emerging. 

739
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,720
OK, well, we need to show a 
little bit of give a little bit 

740
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,440
of power to someone here who's 
kind of on the other side of 

741
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,160
things and show that we can all 
work together. 

742
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,600
That's where it didn't work out,
but we have. 

743
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,120
It's a big curiosity why it even
happened in the 1st place given 

744
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,480
that he fired all his father, 
fathers, counsellors for being 

745
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,880
so corrupt. 
So for some reason he brought 

746
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,960
this guy back. 
Bloodraven though is the biggest

747
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,880
question mark I have here. 
In the second-half we really 

748
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,880
wondered how much how well Damon
and Baylor got along and I still

749
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,240
wonder about that. 
But in the second-half, 

750
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,720
Bloodravens, the one I wonder 
about because in terms of his 

751
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:42,240
relationship with Baylor, 
Brendan had the opposite sort of

752
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,080
reputation, Like he was a 
hardliner and not considered 

753
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,000
chivalrous and not considered 
like a good man. 

754
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
He was someone to fear, someone 
to respect for his capabilities 

755
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,880
and capacities. 
But everyone was afraid of him. 

756
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,240
He was a rule through fear, not 
through love kind of guy, as 

757
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,120
much as we like him. 
Yeah, there's a lot of aspects 

758
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,520
about him that were problematic,
and Daylor probably would have 

759
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,520
seen it. 
Some of those things that way. 

760
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,760
He's like, you know, I don't 
really like all the way you do 

761
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,920
do some of these things here 
uncle, because Brendan was his 

762
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,040
uncle, but he had to respect 
just how loyal he was to his 

763
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,600
father. 
One thing Bloodraven was not was

764
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,680
disloyal to the crown. 
So Baylor had to he could count 

765
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,560
on that had to respect that 
much. 

766
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,960
And I wonder here we go with the
Ravens teeth. 

767
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,080
Like what happened with this? 
The Ravens teeth existed before 

768
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,120
the battle of the red grass 
field. 

769
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,000
Of course they were critical 
during it. 

770
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:35,000
How did this come to be that he 
had this large private guard of 

771
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,600
like 300 dudes with bows and 
well, like the money for that 

772
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,400
had to come from the crown. 
Bloodraven didn't have lands of 

773
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,760
his own. 
So Bloodraven must have done 

774
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,200
some very important things to 
show his loyalty. 

775
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,120
And what did Baylor think about 
his uncle having such a large 

776
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,720
private guard? 
He must have, I assume he was 

777
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,320
cool with it, that he weighed in
on it and he trusted his trusted

778
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,920
his uncle just as much as his 
father did. 

779
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,000
And and that trust was rewarded,
at least in terms of what side 

780
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,520
he stayed on. 
Maybe not in terms of all of his

781
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,040
actions. 
For example, at the red grass 

782
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:14,720
field, what would he think of 
Bloodraven shooting down Damon 

783
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:19,360
and his sons with arrows? 
Damon, you know, I mean, that's 

784
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,800
fair, I guess. 
He's a warrior. 

785
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,520
He's an adult, you know. 
But shooting down the 2 twin 

786
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,840
sons, I don't know about that. 
He might have had real qualms, 

787
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,160
but that's not chivalrous, 
right? 

788
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,760
You know, And maybe he would 
have preferred even Damon to 

789
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,360
have been beaten 
straightforwardly. 

790
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,680
So you could see that his cause 
was defeated. 

791
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,560
You know, people that would 
Damon became like a folk hero 

792
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,720
afterwards for the manner of his
death and for the promise that 

793
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:43,200
would have been if he had been 
defeated properly, you know, in 

794
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,600
in nightly combat instead of 
from afar, That might have been 

795
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,160
more emphatic. 
It might have staunched the 

796
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,280
enthusiasm for future 
rebellions. 

797
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,360
Like people who said it was the 
will of the gods. 

798
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,360
You can't say it's the will of 
the gods when this old gods 

799
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,840
oriented sorceress guy did it 
like you. 

800
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,320
It's hard to like. 
You can't argue that the gods 

801
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,280
will. 
The Damon Blackfire should fall 

802
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,200
when it doesn't look like the 
Seven did that. 

803
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,880
It looks like the old gods or 
sorcery did it right. 

804
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,600
So the manner of his defeat is 
problematic for a chivalrous, 

805
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,720
honorable guy. 
Ted said he might not have been 

806
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:20,880
defeated otherwise. 
Yeah. 

807
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,320
Oh yeah, absolutely. 
Ravens, like, sure, it wasn't 

808
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,720
chivalry, but we did it, yeah. 
Like, this is like, you want the

809
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:27,760
best possible result. 
This might have been the best 

810
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,360
possible result. 
Did you want another Wayne 

811
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,840
Korbray getting his face caved 
in by fighting Damon Blackmire? 

812
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Like, what did you want? 
Did you? 

813
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,520
I didn't see you rushing to 
fight him, you know. 

814
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,360
Are we going to decommission all
The Archers in our army now so 

815
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,600
we can be chivalry all the time?
There's a reason we have The 

816
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,600
Archers, right? 
Exactly so. 

817
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,280
I wonder if you it would go so 
far as Baylor appreciating 

818
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,720
Bloodraven but not really liking
him. 

819
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,440
You know, like, I don't really 
like you, but I respect you. 

820
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,200
I'm glad you're on our side. 
You know, that kind of thing. 

821
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,320
Now I'm just guessing this is, 
this is all very much pulled out

822
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,160
of nowhere just kind of guessing
based on their personalities. 

823
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,680
For all we know, Baylor had 
nothing whatsoever to say about 

824
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,560
the manner of of Aegon and 
Amon's deaths via Arrow. 

825
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,360
Maybe he was like, yeah, good 
job. 

826
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,000
You know, probably not, right? 
Given what we know about him, I 

827
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,240
think we can I think we can take
a make a educated guess here. 

828
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,480
We also just don't know how much
power and influence blood Raven 

829
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,320
had in general, whether this was
a problem. 

830
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,320
Like, oh, now he's done this, 
his hard line attitudes are 

831
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,240
going to carry more weight at 
court because he's now the 

832
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,920
killer of Damon Blackfire. 
He's his esteem has risen. 

833
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,280
I don't know if I like that. 
And dark sister talk about that.

834
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,560
He got dark sister and it was 
before the battle of the red 

835
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,760
grass field also. 
So he had done something to earn

836
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,120
it, maybe before getting the the
Raven's teeth or at the same 

837
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,120
time. 
Interesting potentials here. 

838
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,840
I mean, this is the Blade of the
Dragon. 

839
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,720
The blade of Queen Visenya 
didn't have the standing of 

840
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,760
Blackfire, but it was literally 
smaller. 

841
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,320
But still, I really find it hard
to believe that Deron just gave 

842
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,480
it to Bloodraven without 
consulting with his son and heir

843
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,720
first. 
Like, hey, son, do you want Dark

844
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,720
Sister? 
Or should I give it to someone 

845
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,960
else to give it to Brendan? 
And here's the reasons why they 

846
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,120
maybe talk it out. 
Baylor would be like, yeah. 

847
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,520
And the way Baylor is about 
always wanting other people to 

848
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,480
get the acclaim, like, no, you 
did this. 

849
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,600
No, you did that. 
No, it seems almost 

850
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,640
straightforward that he'd be 
like, yeah, let's use the sword 

851
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,960
to bind the rest of the field. 
Like we've got better uses for 

852
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,840
the sword than giving it to me, 
you know? 

853
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,840
Especially because I feel 
strongly and Nina feel strongly 

854
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,960
that part of the reason to give 
Dark Sister away in the 1st 

855
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,080
place was to devalue the gift of
black fire to Damon to show that

856
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,360
it's not such an important sword
after all. 

857
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,080
It's not a kingly sword. 
Yes it was wielded by a king, 

858
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,280
but the king is not the crown. 
Stop associating the two y'all. 

859
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,160
So by giving away Dark Sister 
away, it kind of show it kind of

860
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,560
shows their attitude towards the
swords. 

861
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,960
I. 
Think it's pretty cool. 

862
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,600
By giving away to someone other 
than the Prince further devalues

863
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,440
it. 
Yeah, exactly. 

864
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,200
It's just the sword. 
It's a a family treasure. 

865
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,600
It's it's for good warriors not 
connected to the line of 

866
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,360
succession. 
Yeah. 

867
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,680
Absolutely. 
So I think that was if that was 

868
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,400
their thinking, and I do. 
It's a, it's a strong level of 

869
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,160
head cannon. 
It's pretty darn clever. 

870
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160
It shows the kind of moves Daron
was likely to make. 

871
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,440
Daron's really good at these 
political moves and symbolic 

872
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,320
moves that are non violent that 
carry a lot of weight to them. 

873
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,320
And I think Baylor learned from 
that. 

874
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,440
I think he saw this and he had 
the ability to see it because he

875
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,240
was close to his father for so 
long. 

876
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:26,480
They worked together really 
well. 

877
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,920
And as we'll see after the 
Blackfyre Rebellion, he works 

878
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,720
with him even closer as hand in 
the king. 

879
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,120
So if you see like when you're a
king and you know that your son 

880
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,480
is going to inherit one day, of 
course, it's like we see Ned 

881
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,200
work with Rob and countless 
other Lords work closest with 

882
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,400
their eldest son, the one they 
want to see inherit. 

883
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Like when's Kendall Tarley 
worked with Sam, even though he 

884
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,400
didn't like him, but once he was
like, I got a air I like better,

885
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,320
he started working with that one
instead. 

886
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,240
He started working with Dickon 
instead. 

887
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,640
Was like Dickon was by his side 
for every decision at council, 

888
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,560
at court, all these things. 
So Baylor and Aaron together, 

889
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,840
believe it. 
The actual war, Black fire 

890
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,560
rebellion, the famous moment 
came in the order to arrest 

891
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,440
Damon was sent. 
Blood Raven reported on 

892
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,880
intrigues going on. 
He said, look, y'all, they're 

893
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,200
going to announce a claim within
the moon's turn. 

894
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,880
Well, there's some suspicion 
here whether that's actually 

895
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,400
true. 
Blood Raven may have kicked it 

896
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,880
off and like, we need to take 
care of this now. 

897
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,040
They're not listening to me. 
We should get the jump on it. 

898
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,200
So I'm going to fudge the 
details a little bit, but maybe 

899
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,160
not. 
Maybe it's exactly what 

900
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,480
happened. 
Maybe it's entirely true. 

901
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,920
Either way, what did Baylor 
think? 

902
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,760
He probably had knowledge of 
this order being sent to arrest 

903
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,160
Damon and he would have weighed 
in. 

904
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,360
He would have maybe been like, I
think this is a mistake or yes, 

905
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,520
let's do it. 
I'm I'm all for it. 

906
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,440
We, you know, it's a tough 
choice, but we got to do it. 

907
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,240
I mean, again, this is a guy 
who's close to all the 

908
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,800
decisions, the guy who's going 
to be appointed hand to the 

909
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,760
king. 
So he's at least witness to his 

910
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,920
father's decision, most likely, 
if not part of the decision. 

911
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,360
And Baylor likes to hear people 
out. 

912
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,720
Like, Baylor was a big believer 
in justice. 

913
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:03,240
We see this in the hedge night. 
He wanted to hear people's. 

914
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,000
He wanted to hear both sides of 
of an argument. 

915
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,920
That might be something. 
He's like, well, we should hear 

916
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,000
from Damon. 
We should. 

917
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,760
OK, yeah, seize him. 
But, like, let him make a 

918
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,120
statement. 
I want to hear the evidence. 

919
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,080
Let's have a trial. 
That may have been what he 

920
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,400
called for. 
Of course, we don't know what 

921
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,680
would have happened because 
Damon was warned and got away. 

922
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Is it possible Baylor is the one
who warned him it it? 

923
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,280
Well, yes, it's possible. 
I, I don't, I don't have any 

924
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,120
direct evidence of it or even a 
suggestion of it. 

925
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,120
But you know, it would be quite 
a twist if Baylor did it. 

926
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,720
I don't really, I think there's 
a low percentage chance, but but

927
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:39,280
I wouldn't say it's like a super
unlikely, maybe like a 10% 

928
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,400
chance. 
More likely it was what We're 

929
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,160
told it was Fireball who helped 
him escape. 

930
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,520
So Fireball somehow found out 
about it. 

931
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,320
Maybe Fireball overheard the 
decision and ran away tell them.

932
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,720
Maybe it was one of the other 
Kingsguard. 

933
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,760
We talked about some of the 
Kingsguard maybe liking Damon 

934
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,240
more. 
If that's the case, they didn't 

935
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:55,760
fight for him, though maybe 
that's not a great theory. 

936
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,760
Either way, someone told and we 
don't know who. 

937
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,280
It could have actually been 
Daylor himself, which is really 

938
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,320
interesting. 
And again, what did he think we 

939
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,120
have to come back to? 
What did he think of Damon? 

940
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,760
Was he like, well, this guy's my
friend, He's my my kin. 

941
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:15,520
Oh that small fries next to 
throwing the realm into civil 

942
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,840
war. 
So I think he would do its best 

943
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,000
for the realm but it would have 
been a real like human heart and

944
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,720
conflict with itself moment if 
he was actually friends with 

945
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,720
Damon and respected him or 
wanted them to like have a 

946
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:31,120
future together as friends. 
Which you can see that just 

947
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,000
falling apart right before his 
eyes with this evidence which 

948
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,680
may not have been evidence. 
It probably was though, Lord 

949
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,840
Ambrose Butterwell again, the 
one that that held the second 

950
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,520
Blackfyre party. 
He was handed a king. 

951
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,680
And he may have been glad to see
Baylor preach leniency because 

952
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,640
Baylor, that's the first thing 
he did, was he preached leniency

953
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,920
towards Damon, which is part of 
why I wonder if he was the one 

954
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,840
that told or if he was friends 
with him or is like, or if it's 

955
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,400
just his. 
Let's exhaust all avenues of 

956
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,440
peace first before we go to war.
That to me sounds like the most 

957
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,000
likely possibility. 
But it doesn't have to be just 

958
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,920
one answer. 
There's a lot of, I mean, 

959
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,120
multiple reasons here. 
He did such a bad job of 

960
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,320
containing the rebels, Lord 
Ambrose Butterwell, that is, 

961
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,920
that he was fired. 
Some people later suspected him 

962
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,920
of being too friendly with the 
Blacks. 

963
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,840
Of course, he did try to start 
the second Black fire rebellion.

964
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,640
And when the rebellion started, 
he sent one son to fight on each

965
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,320
side. 
He was one of those guys like, 

966
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,640
oh, I'm not taking sides. 
I'm not taking sides. 

967
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,960
That seems more likely than he 
then, because he lost his land 

968
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,440
and other stuff. 
That's why he sided with the 

969
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,240
blacks eventually. 
But either way, he was fired and

970
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,920
replaced by Lord Hayford. 
Now Hayford was a hardcore 

971
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,720
loyalist. 
There's no question about him. 

972
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,920
And I think maybe King Darren 
maybe felt like, oops, you know,

973
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,640
I screwed up. 
You know, I because we just a 

974
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,680
minute ago we were like, why did
he even rehire this guy? 

975
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,320
Why did he bring Lord Butterwell
back as hand to the king if you 

976
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,360
fired all his father's counsel 
for being so corrupt? 

977
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:55,840
So he probably was like, whoops,
that didn't work out so well. 

978
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,200
This this guy I brought in 
failed to contain the Black Fire

979
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,720
rebellion. 
What if he had like, he was just

980
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,040
really confident. 
He was just really good at 

981
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:07,080
setting up relationships and 
keeping track of the books. 

982
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,760
And they do. 
When they let him go, they 

983
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,360
realize like, crap, no one else 
is that good at this job. 

984
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,800
And he wasn't that corrupt. 
OK, Yeah, that makes sense. 

985
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,080
Like a guy who's good at books 
and numbers but isn't good at 

986
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,320
war like that. 
That's not a tough sell at all. 

987
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,560
There's plenty of people like 
that. 

988
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,120
You know, he'd be a good 
peacetime hand and a bad war 

989
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,600
time hand. 
Yeah, that would make sense. 

990
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,560
I can see that. 
I can see that. 

991
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,120
So the attempted arrest of Damon
had the effect that outrage 

992
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,000
often does, especially if it's 
sold properly to people, which 

993
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,480
is that it creates sympathy for 
someone who's actually probably 

994
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,680
guilty. 
And that may have been part of 

995
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,960
Baylor's concern. 
If he's arguing a counsel for 

996
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,120
leniency, he might be like, we 
got to play this carefully or 

997
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,920
else Damon could gain sympathy. 
We got to make sure that we're 

998
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,200
not the bad guys here. 
We don't because the last thing 

999
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,480
we want to do is send more 
troops into his arms, more 

1000
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,480
people that support him because 
he was treated unjustly by this 

1001
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,040
Dornish king or this Dornish 
Prince, you know, and whatever. 

1002
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,520
And think about men like against
Sir Eustace Osgrey, our bitter 

1003
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:15,040
black fire, He comes back. 
He seemed to genuinely believe 

1004
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,240
that Deron was a bastard. 
And it's like, it's hard for us 

1005
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,480
maybe to process that because 
from where we're sitting, it's, 

1006
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,720
it's kind of a crazy idea. 
But look what happens with 

1007
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,840
Stannis and the rumors about 
Cersei and Joffrey and then they

1008
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,800
turn around and send rumors 
about him and and Felice 

1009
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,000
sleeping with Moon boy or Solis 
not Felice sleeping with Moon 

1010
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,120
Boy. 
These rumors get somewhat 

1011
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,680
accepted, right? 
Because people don't know about 

1012
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,560
her. 
They don't have the Internet, 

1013
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,040
they don't have DNA tests. 
They're just everything is a 

1014
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,480
rumor to them. 
Nothing is truth. 

1015
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,360
When you live in that system, 
you just have to believe what 

1016
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,040
you can. 
There's no way to know. 

1017
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,960
The king said this guy's a 
bastard. 

1018
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,360
Are we supposed to not believe 
the king? 

1019
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,160
Well, this king. 
Yeah. 

1020
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:00,960
Because he lies all the time. 
Well, then people don't 

1021
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,040
necessarily know that. 
Like, look what we saw in the 

1022
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,520
Riverlands. 
There were people that were 

1023
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,400
like, there wasn't like this 
under King Aries. 

1024
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Like the. 
You mean the mad king? 

1025
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,440
You're like, you want him back? 
Like, well, he wasn't hurting 

1026
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,640
us, you know, So just, there's a
lot of different shoes you have 

1027
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,280
to put yourself in to, like, 
frame the perspectives here 

1028
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,280
properly and just. 
Yeah. 

1029
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,360
Because from where we're 
sitting. 

1030
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,360
Yeah. 
Joffrey Juice, Juice. 

1031
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Joffrey, Luke and Jase Juice. 
Juice and. 

1032
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,640
Lace, Joffrey, Luke and Jace are
obviously bastards from where 

1033
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,360
we're sitting, but it's a little
less obvious in in world, 

1034
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,440
Marcella, Tom and Joffrey, the 
other Joffrey, right? 

1035
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,240
Obviously bastards to us, but in
world, not so obvious, right? 

1036
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:43,760
Same thing here. 
It's not obvious that Daron's 

1037
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,320
not a bastard. 
It's not obvious that he's not 

1038
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,000
the son of aiming the Dragon 
Knight. 

1039
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,200
So yeah, it's tricky. 
Now again, this wouldn't make 

1040
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,520
Baylor or Break Spear a bastard,
but it would put his claim below

1041
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,960
Damon Blackfires if his if his 
father Daron was a bastard and 

1042
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Damon's also a bastard, but 
Damon's actually a bastard of 

1043
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,280
the king and Daron isn't well 
then Damon comes first, So 

1044
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,680
they're from their logic. 
It's not it's not really 

1045
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,320
convoluted at all. 
It just takes this one truth so 

1046
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,400
well. 
Daron's a bastard, thus Damon 

1047
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,920
comes before him. 
It's actually quite simple when 

1048
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,720
you put it that way. 
And looking Dornish, Baylor 

1049
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,880
looking Dornish wouldn't help, 
even though we know that's 

1050
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,520
irrelevant. 
But like, if you're if you have 

1051
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,480
anti Dornish sentiment, that 
just pushes you even farther 

1052
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,760
into Damon's camp. 
And these are the people. 

1053
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,080
This is one thing I love about 
Baylor. 

1054
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,640
These are the people Baylor is 
saying we should go easy on. 

1055
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:38,080
Yes, they believe lies. 
Yes, they are against us, but we

1056
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,160
shouldn't feel bitter towards 
them. 

1057
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,040
We should still hold out an open
hand towards them. 

1058
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,040
We should still try to bring 
them back into the fold 

1059
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,040
peacefully. 
He's logical and magnanimous, 

1060
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,200
Nina says about rumors like yes,
he doesn't turn bitter. 

1061
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,720
He doesn't hate the people for 
believing this nonsense about 

1062
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,320
his father and his family is 
like, well, this is how it is. 

1063
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,520
We got to deal with it. 
You know, I'm the Prince. 

1064
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,920
I got to handle this maturely 
with forward thinking capacity 

1065
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,360
and without taking it 
personally. 

1066
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,760
This is one of the reasons 
people like him so much, because

1067
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,320
that yeah, that's a great, 
that's a very virtuous way to 

1068
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,080
handle it. 
It's a vulnerable way to handle 

1069
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,400
it. 
It's a way it's. 

1070
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,720
We could all learn from that, 
right? 

1071
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,360
But the war broke out like he 
preached leniency to Damon. 

1072
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,080
But as things progressed, it was
clear that that was not going to

1073
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,320
do any good. 
That leniency was 

1074
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:30,120
counterproductive because this 
is now a real rebellion. 

1075
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,000
It's not going to stop through 
peace. 

1076
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,920
It's only going to be stopped 
through force of arms. 

1077
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,120
And Baylor was deployed S to 
collect an army of Dornish and 

1078
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,680
Stormlanders. 
Now you can understand why he 

1079
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,920
was sent to collect the Dornish 
arm. 

1080
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,960
He's Dornish. 
His mother's Dornish. 

1081
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:51,960
I mean, his wife is a marcher 
that they may not love that 

1082
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,040
part, but still, he's the right 
call. 

1083
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,800
And of course, going to the 
stormlands. 

1084
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,600
Well, his wife's a marcher Lord,
that's the Stormlands and the 

1085
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,080
Stormlands are in the hands of 
the Baratheons. 

1086
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:06,440
Laughing storm fought at 
Baylor's side at Dunks side in 

1087
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,680
the hedge night. 
That's the storm. 

1088
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,360
Let's the Lord of Storms end. 
He probably wasn't Lord of 

1089
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,120
Storms end at this point but his
father probably was and probably

1090
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,320
his father. 
We don't actually know that. 

1091
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,120
But either way this is close kin
like the Baratheons and 

1092
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,520
Targaryens. 
They're you know they're still 

1093
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,560
pretty close relationship wise. 
We also know none of the high 

1094
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,240
Lord supported Damon, it was 
only lesser houses that 

1095
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,840
supported Damon. 
So either way, the Baratheons 

1096
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,280
were Reds in the in the upcoming
war since the marchers sided 

1097
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,480
with Damon, most of them or at 
all but the Dundarians maybe, we

1098
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,200
don't know. 
There was probably battles to be

1099
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,400
fought in the Stormlands too to 
settle things to be like OK well

1100
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,160
who's loyal who's not. 
Once the Stormland was settled 

1101
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,840
they can gather the army and 
start marching. 

1102
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,200
And this may have been part of 
the delay. 

1103
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,400
As we know Baylor barely made it
to the battle on time and this 

1104
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,200
is probably why these battles 
that he had to fight. 

1105
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:02,120
Smaller skirmishes getting 
people loyal. 

1106
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,000
And Nina says I wouldn't be 
surprised at all if Baylor acted

1107
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,320
a bit like his eventual great 
great great nephew Robert 

1108
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,440
Baratheon in using both his 
battlefield prowess and his 

1109
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,800
charm to win people over to win 
over especially Storm Lords. 

1110
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,520
In this case, while Baylor would
almost certainly have had the 

1111
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,600
support of the Dondarians, it's 
entirely possible other marcher 

1112
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,600
houses were opposed via ambition
or ideology. 

1113
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,920
So Baylor's charm and charisma 
might have come up big here in 

1114
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,200
bringing over, but we're kind of
on the fence. 

1115
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,760
There might have been some 
people that were like, well, 

1116
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,520
yeah, we we hate the Dornish, 
but we also are rebels. 

1117
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,320
We don't want to just turn on 
the king. 

1118
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,440
Like that's a big deal too. 
SAS have done an easily made 

1119
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,680
decision. 
So he might have won some people

1120
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,280
over who were on the on the 
fence, which is a really 

1121
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,920
powerful thing to be able to do.
Like if you got someone who's on

1122
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,080
a coin flip, might be your enemy
and you through charm and 

1123
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,680
charisma and just your presence 
and bearing are able to bring 

1124
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,680
them to your side. 
And that's just a huge thing. 

1125
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,960
It's possible Baylor went to 
Dorn first, though, because he 

1126
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,920
might have expected a better 
welcome there. 

1127
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,560
Like you. 
Sure, the Ironwoods would have 

1128
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,560
been against him and maybe some 
others, but the majority of the 

1129
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,120
Dornes should probably be on his
side for ethnic reasons for 

1130
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,160
wanting to fight against anti 
Dornist. 

1131
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,240
And what they're saying we're 
not good enough to be a queen 

1132
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,400
for our people to be queen like 
outrageous. 

1133
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,160
Let's fight them. 
You know, of course some were 

1134
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,600
like, yeah, we don't want to be 
a part of that realm, so let's 

1135
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:31,880
join the rebels. 
But as I said, more of the pro 

1136
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,680
Iron Throne people on the 
Dornist side most certainly 

1137
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,840
because of the esteem and their 
leaders, Sun Spear, all that. 

1138
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,200
But have to remind ourselves not
to treat Dorne as a monolith. 

1139
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,040
There would have been certainly 
plenty of houses that bought for

1140
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,720
Damon and the Ironwoods. 
That might be another reason to 

1141
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,640
go there, because they're not a 
monolith. 

1142
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,320
You can't be sure of how they're
going to respond. 

1143
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,120
We need to, we know what the 
North's going to do. 

1144
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,400
We know what the you know, the 
other territories and leaders 

1145
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,680
are more established, right? 
But Dorn is, like you said, a 

1146
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,520
coin flip. 
We got to make sure this coin 

1147
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,800
flip's the right way. 
Yeah, and then and before they 

1148
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,360
take sides, like do it get help 
them decide which side of the 

1149
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,400
fence to be on before someone 
else makes that decision for 

1150
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,720
them, before they decide on 
their own. 

1151
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,440
Which begs the question, did he 
go to Dorn first for the 

1152
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,480
Stormlands first? 
Like if he goes to Dorn first, 

1153
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,840
he can maybe get more help to 
help in the Stormlands. 

1154
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,920
And I don't know about marching 
about Stormlanders into Dorn. 

1155
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,800
That sounds a little more 
precarious, you know, although 

1156
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:26,960
it might be necessary. 
I don't know. 

1157
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:29,160
The third possibility is he 
didn't do either. 

1158
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,240
He went to Summerhall and was 
like, hey everybody meet me 

1159
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:32,720
here. 
You know, like it's a good 

1160
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,000
border spot for people to meet 
and gather. 

1161
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,880
And they fought their battles on
their own, like the Dornish 

1162
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,880
fought the Ironwoods. 
And once that was settled, they 

1163
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,480
brought their army N same thing 
happened in the Stormlands. 

1164
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,560
They meet Baylorate at 
Summerhall and March from there.

1165
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,280
That's the third possibility. 
I almost think that's the most 

1166
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,720
sensible one, but it may have 
been necessary for optics 

1167
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,680
reasons, for potential for 
violence, reasons for Baylor to 

1168
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,080
go in person to some of these 
places. 

1169
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,960
Yeah. 
Like Lord Martel himself, like 

1170
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,800
Morris Martel wasn't super old 
at this point. 

1171
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,400
We know his father's the one who
arranged for the marriages with 

1172
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,840
Bear, with Baylor. 
So he's not a like, probably not

1173
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,160
an old man. 
He may have marched with the 

1174
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,280
troops. 
He may have been at the Battle 

1175
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,240
of Red Grassfield. 
I'm guessing no, but it's 

1176
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,160
possible. 
And his son, he his his first 

1177
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,960
born was a son with Daenerys, 
who if he was born relatively 

1178
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,640
soon after the marriage, which 
is entirely possible, he would 

1179
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,800
have been a similar age to say 
Valar and could have been a 

1180
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,880
Squire in the battle too. 
So there may have been a little 

1181
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,360
a young Martel Prince at 
Baylor's side for this, and 

1182
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,240
maybe even both a Martel Prince 
and his own young Valar, which 

1183
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,400
would have been neat. 
One of the reasons I saw, 

1184
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,960
another reason Summerhall is is 
notable as a possible gathering 

1185
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,000
spot for troops is Robert 
Baratheon did the same. 

1186
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,600
He gathered an army at 
Summerhall, ended having to 

1187
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,960
fight a battle there against 
Randall Tarley, which was the 

1188
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,280
only battle he lost. 
But still the point is it 

1189
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,280
happened got that big army 
together one way or another. 

1190
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,640
Whether it was through marching 
S personally, whether calling 

1191
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,320
the banners and letting them 
deal with it themselves and and 

1192
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,320
bringing forth their troops, we 
don't know. 

1193
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,000
But one way or another it 
happened. 

1194
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,600
A large army of maybe of 10,000 
or so. 

1195
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,800
Maybe similar to the army that 
Prince Lewin Martel LED out of 

1196
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:23,680
Dorn during Robert's Rebellion, 
except those men were raised to 

1197
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,000
lose. 
And these ones were raised and 

1198
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,680
came out ahead, came out to 
Victor. 

1199
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,880
They were rushing to get to the 
battle on time. 

1200
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,760
They were hoping that by the 
time they got there, they didn't

1201
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,200
find a new king already sitting 
on the throne. 

1202
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,360
That would be a problem. 
Like, yeah, we showed up. 

1203
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,880
But then we'd like, ah, do we 
bend the knee? 

1204
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,880
I mean, what do we do? 
Do we bend the knee to Damon 

1205
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,400
instead of bite him if he's 
already defeated? 

1206
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,440
They're on by the time we get 
there. 

1207
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,600
Crap. 
I'm like, what's in the head of 

1208
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:51,800
the common soldier there? 
We don't know. 

1209
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,520
They don't know what they're 
going to get, What's going to 

1210
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:54,480
happen by the time they get 
there? 

1211
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,520
It may already be over. 
Put a strange, strange headspace

1212
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,640
to be in. 
Like we're marching force to a 

1213
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,280
great battle or for nothing. 
It might already be over. 

1214
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,880
You might be hoping for that. 
You might be like, I don't 

1215
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,200
really want to get revenge on 
these Swast Rossi, but I kind of

1216
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,440
want to not fight at all. 
I kind of want to just not die, 

1217
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,240
you know? 
I just want to go home, yeah. 

1218
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,440
Can we go back now? 
Yeah, my. 

1219
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,680
Family and my farm, that was a 
lot nicer. 

1220
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,160
Yeah, I feel like that would be 
perhaps the most common 

1221
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,960
sentiment, but there'd be plenty
of hardliners, plenty of people 

1222
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,080
ready to fight, plenty of people
driven, whipped into a frenzy. 

1223
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,400
You know, outrage can take 
people to pretty nasty places in

1224
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,880
their mind, makes make you do 
things you wouldn't normally do,

1225
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,760
especially when there's mob 
mentality added to the mix. 

1226
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,680
You know, like, well, all my 
other neighbors are mad. 

1227
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,440
I guess I should be mad too. 
Yeah, let's get them, I guess. 

1228
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,560
And then a few days later, 
you're fully bought in. 

1229
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,200
All right, let's take a quick 
break here and then get back to 

1230
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,320
it with the actual Battle of the
Red Grass. 

1231
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:58,160
Feel guilty, Undertaker says. 
I do wonder if the Ironwoods 

1232
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,480
were actually Damon supporters 
or if they were Dornish 

1233
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,600
separatists who saw Damon as a 
path to bring back the old way 

1234
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,120
of Vulture kings and other such.
Business within Dorn, good 

1235
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,440
mention of the Vulture King or a
Vulture King because we're going

1236
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,200
to have that as part of the 
second-half, one of them. 

1237
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,120
But yeah, I mean, I think that's
a great good way of looking at 

1238
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:16,120
it. 
Guilty Undertaker. 

1239
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,200
Because whether they actually 
cared about Damon is is 

1240
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,320
definitely questionable. 
But they definitely cared about 

1241
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,160
Martel supremacy and Dornish 
independence. 

1242
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,680
That seems. 
Yeah. 

1243
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,760
So Damon's cause aligned with 
theirs rather than them being 

1244
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,040
specifically aligned with Damon.
Damon would give them what they 

1245
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:38,160
want, but he's not necessarily 
someone that they would have 

1246
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,640
picked under other 
circumstances. 

1247
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,640
So yeah, I, I, I agree with that
interpretation in terms of what 

1248
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,200
actually motivated them, Nina 
says as well. 

1249
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,600
Even though George's intention 
was to parallel Henry the Eighth

1250
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,200
with Aegon the Unworthy, she 
doesn't think it was that 

1251
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,600
effective and doesn't really 
think the parallel is that 

1252
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,160
strong. 
Yeah. 

1253
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,480
In fact, when you said when you 
said that, she and the chat went

1254
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,720
no, no. 
OK. 

1255
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,440
Yeah, she doesn't. 
Agree she doesn't agree with. 

1256
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,160
That the comparison is made 
often. 

1257
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,080
Yeah, yeah, George himself makes
the has made the comparison and 

1258
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,080
lots of people when reading it 
naturally make the comparison. 

1259
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,040
Whether that is accurate to the 
true history. 

1260
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,480
I agree with her. 
It is not. 

1261
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,680
But when you can look at popular
history, popular perception, 

1262
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,720
what he's playing with, I just 
think, of course people see 

1263
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,320
that. 
Yeah, when you dig into it, 

1264
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,240
you're right though, some of 
those comparisons fall off, but 

1265
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,200
there are some service level 
comparisons are definitely 

1266
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,160
there, so. 
That's what he's doing. 

1267
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,080
You know, he's it's intentional 
to have those surface level 

1268
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,680
comparisons. 
You know, there's that. 

1269
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,960
But no, do not, do not think 
that because you said Nina's 

1270
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,720
name within a sentence of saying
that, that she. 

1271
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,840
She doesn't agree. 
On that, yeah. 

1272
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,880
Cool. 
All right well we good 

1273
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:47,960
clarification. 
Thanks for that. 

1274
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,920
Also, our Patreon Dr. continues.
There is about a month and a 

1275
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,160
half left before we do away with
our $2.00 level. 

1276
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,400
But if you sign up now, you can 
have that $2.00 level. 

1277
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,280
As long as you keep it, you'll 
be grandfathered in. 

1278
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,280
A lot of people have signed up. 
We have a lot of new 

1279
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,080
grandfathers. 
A lot of new grandfathers are 

1280
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,160
signing up. 
Join that group. 

1281
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Don't you want to be a 
grandfather too? 

1282
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,880
This isn't the best seller. 
I don't. 

1283
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:11,640
Know whoever want to be your 
grandpa. 

1284
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,560
Yeah, well. 
Respected. 

1285
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,160
You all turn into a granddad 
overnight. 

1286
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:21,600
Also, if you are a patron or a 
member through our Spotify 

1287
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,080
subscriptions or a donator 
through our website, which is 

1288
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,320
also a way to support History of
Westeros, we are hosting our 

1289
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:33,040
first Quiplash session this 
Wednesday, June 21st. 

1290
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,560
If you're a patron, you can be a
direct participant. 

1291
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,120
If you are someone else, you can
watch and vote on the results. 

1292
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,440
You can still play and have a 
good time, You just won't be one

1293
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:42,920
of the people filling in the 
answers. 

1294
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,760
You can still vote on the 
answers and the votes are 

1295
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,800
tabulated with every answer, so 
votes actually drive the game. 

1296
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,960
It's a very audience. 
Participation is a big part of 

1297
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,120
this, so even if you're not a 
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1298
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,800
participate and have a great 
time. 

1299
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,360
We love quick flash, we've done 
it at Ice and Fire Con and it is

1300
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,320
super fun. 
It's Mad Libs basically, but 

1301
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,400
multiplayer Mad Libs fill in the
blank with funny stuff and 

1302
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,080
they're all A Song of Ice and 
Fire, Game of Thrones, House of 

1303
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,160
the Dragon themed questions or 
prompts rather, not questions. 

1304
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,800
Some like that, so you can go to
the History of Westeros Discord 

1305
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,840
server and join, and when you 
join there, there are 

1306
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,080
instructions in the main channel
on how to get the patron role, 

1307
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,920
or you can just tag me or do it 
what have you, A lot of you 

1308
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,000
already in there, but once you 
have that role assigned to you, 

1309
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,760
you'll be able to see this 
channel. 

1310
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:42,080
In other gaming news that 
reminds me of Lansing Sean, we 

1311
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,000
have been playing our CK3 
campaigns on Twitch. 

1312
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,920
Now we moved from YouTube to 
Twitch. 

1313
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,600
The videos are still available 
on YouTube. 

1314
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,440
They are in the playlist. 
CK2CK2 CK 3 playlist folder. 

1315
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,080
Not folder, rather there's 
playlist on YouTube so you can 

1316
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,680
see them all there. 
They all get put there. 

1317
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,040
They're also viewable on Twitch,
which is where we do them live. 

1318
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,440
But if you want to catch the 
replays, you can still see them 

1319
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,360
on YouTube. 
Yeah, and they should still show

1320
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,280
the chat even though the on 
YouTube the chat won't be 

1321
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,000
embedded anymore, but on the 
screen it shows up on the 

1322
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,760
screen, so you should be able to
follow along with the 

1323
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,600
conversation when relevant. 
And the reason I made the 

1324
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,480
Lansing Sean joke just now is 
that I'm currently playing Jaime

1325
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,720
Lannister as Lord of Casting the
Rock and like, well, how did 

1326
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:22,960
that happen? 
Well, he got kicked out of the 

1327
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,160
Kingsguard because he lost a leg
and he still enters tournaments 

1328
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,560
and jousts. 
Sean, yeah, you should still be 

1329
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,120
entering tournaments. 
Yeah, you. 

1330
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,200
Should that's? 
Right. 

1331
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,480
Don't you want to be like Jamie?
All right, all right, I will. 

1332
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,640
Yeah, whenever there's a 
jousting tournament around, 

1333
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,440
he'll enter it. 
Yeah, he'll enter all the 

1334
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,600
jousting tournaments in Denver. 
He hasn't missed a single 1 yet,

1335
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,680
so that's really fun. 
The graphics on CK3 are amazing.

1336
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,440
Casterly Rock and Atlanta Sport 
look fantastic. 

1337
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,160
It's really fun playing Jamie. 
We're married to a young woman 

1338
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,560
who looks like Brienne, 
including her size, and we're 

1339
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:03,560
trying to have large, handsome, 
gigantic warrior children and we

1340
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,600
have succeeded. 
We have 4 large children, one of

1341
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,280
them who is has the beautiful 
trait and the Amazonian trait. 

1342
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,760
So she's large and beautiful. 
And our eventual goal is to 

1343
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,080
usurp the Iron Throne from 
Robert, who is still king. 

1344
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,960
He's still married to Cersei and
yeah, even even 20 years after 

1345
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,720
he would have died in cannon. 
So we're having a great time 

1346
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,200
with that. 
Better watch out, you're going 

1347
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,840
to have some death by snooze 
snow. 

1348
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,840
Death by snooze, Snoo. 
Amazonian Women. 

1349
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,360
That's right, we love our 
Futurama references here on 

1350
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,800
History of Westeros podcast. 
I hope you do too, because 

1351
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,320
otherwise you're like, I don't 
know what the hell they're 

1352
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,480
talking. 
About that's to be a whole lot 

1353
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,120
more drama references when the 
new season starts. 

1354
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,000
It's like the fifth time 
Futurama has returned from the 

1355
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,040
grave, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

1356
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:46,920
No, it is. 
It's about a movie theatre. 

1357
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,640
And it is. 
It won't die because it's great.

1358
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,240
That's why it won't die. 
Because it's the future. 

1359
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,040
We keep getting closer. 
To you can't. 

1360
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,240
You can't totally. 
You can never get to the future.

1361
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,400
The Red Grass feels. 
Talk about that. 

1362
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,120
So Bailor didn't fight, let 
alone win a famous duel like 

1363
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,160
Damon did versus Dwayne Corbray.
There was no clash of bleary and

1364
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,080
steel for him. 
He didn't have any to clash 

1365
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,880
with, right? 
There was no mad charge to 

1366
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,760
snatch an ancestral sword while 
maiming an arch enemy before 

1367
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,560
escaping overseas to fight 
again, either. 

1368
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:20,800
He he didn't have the epic story
of Bitter Steel, nor Bloodraven,

1369
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:26,080
nor Damon Blackfire, but he did 
nevertheless come out of it a 

1370
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,120
hero. 
He led his soldiers well-being a

1371
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,000
good leader, winning men to your
cause, getting them to fight for

1372
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,800
you, having their morale being 
as good as it could be, those 

1373
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,160
are hugely important qualities. 
You don't have to, you know, 

1374
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,120
kill a bunch of people with your
sword to be an effective leader 

1375
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,360
in medieval style times. 
It's a quality that will 

1376
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:46,840
continue to matter after the 
fighting was over. 

1377
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,080
I mean skill with a sword is 
crucial in times like this, it 

1378
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,520
helps a lot. 
But in day-to-day ruling of the 

1379
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,200
Kingdom, it doesn't do you 
anything except for maybe 

1380
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,440
framing your reputation a bit, 
maybe helping back up your 

1381
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,840
authority. 
So there is a little of that. 

1382
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,680
But still the qualities he 
showed on the red grass field as

1383
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,440
a leader, those are the 
qualities that would continue 

1384
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:06,680
for him. 
These are the qualities that 

1385
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,280
Westeros would end up relying 
on. 

1386
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,840
And they it was the better for 
it. 

1387
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,200
You know, I, I don't know how it
would have gone if Damon had 

1388
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,800
won, but I don't think it would 
have been better. 

1389
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,560
I don't think Damon, Damon 
probably would have better been 

1390
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:19,880
a better king than Robert 
Baratheon. 

1391
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,440
But he had a lot of those 
qualities of warrior first 

1392
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,200
administrator. 
Well, not seconds. 

1393
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,560
It's this far down the list. 
Like he also wasn't a womanizer 

1394
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,760
or a drinker, although maybe he 
would have become one. 

1395
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,680
I don't know. 
I mean, who knows? 

1396
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,120
Like Robert wasn't necessarily 
known to be a big alcoholic 

1397
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,520
except for people close around 
him in those early days. 

1398
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,560
So who knows about Damon now? 
While Sir Eustis isn't the most 

1399
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,720
unbiased observer, in fact, he's
very biased. 

1400
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,760
There's this impossible to have 
an unbiased observer here. 

1401
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,480
So we we work with what we have.
Even when Damon Blackfyre fails,

1402
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,200
it's framed as a good thing. 
It's like, oh, he was too 

1403
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:02,240
honorable when he defeated 
Gwaine Corbra, he dismounted and

1404
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,760
ordered him tended to by his 
maester. 

1405
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,480
And Eustace says, oh, that was 
the difference quote. 

1406
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,280
So close a thing. 
If Damon had ridden over Gwaine 

1407
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,680
Corbrae and left him to his 
fate, he might have broke and 

1408
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,800
made cars left before Blood 
Raven could have taken the 

1409
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,520
Ridge. 
The day would have belonged to 

1410
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,960
the Black Dragons then, the Hand
slain and the road to King's 

1411
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,640
Landing open before them. 
Damon might have been sitting on

1412
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,160
the Iron Throne by the time 
Prince Baylor could come up with

1413
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,040
his Storm Lords and his Vornish 
men. 

1414
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,560
The singers can go on about 
their hammer and their amble, 

1415
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,880
Sir, but it was the Ken Slayer 
who turned the tide. 

1416
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,760
The white arrow black spell. 
He's basically saying if it 

1417
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,920
wasn't for Damon being so 
honorable, Baylor wouldn't have 

1418
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,399
had a chance. 
He wouldn't have even gotten 

1419
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:46,120
there on time. 
He's saying the hammer and the 

1420
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,520
anvil, well, basically 
irrelevant. 

1421
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,880
The battle was decided before 
that. 

1422
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,640
It was decided when Damon was 
killed, and the hammer in the 

1423
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,600
anvil came after that. 
He's basically saying the 

1424
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,840
singers are making a big deal 
out of a mop up operation. 

1425
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,040
It's to be expected from 
Eustace's bitterness, but he's 

1426
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,240
got a point, you know? 
Like, yeah, Damon was already 

1427
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,040
dead by the time Baylor got 
there. 

1428
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,160
Like that's pretty big. 
Not only that, but blood. 

1429
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,040
Raven had already lost his eye. 
Bittershield already recovered 

1430
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,600
the sword, had his mad charge, 
and took out blood. 

1431
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,720
All that happened before Baylor 
got there. 

1432
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,760
So, yeah, Eustis has a little 
bit of a point. 

1433
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:27,319
Like Baylor maybe did get too 
much praise for what he did. 

1434
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:30,520
Like, he was remembered as a 
hero nonetheless, though, for 

1435
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,080
leadership and for that timing, 
that timing was was pretty 

1436
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,439
perfect. 
Yeah, he missed most of the 

1437
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,920
famous last battle. 
But hey, I can kind of 

1438
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,760
understand why he got such a 
claim. 

1439
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,960
When it comes to battles, for 
many reasons, if not the most 

1440
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,560
important reason of all, it's 
better to be the guy that 

1441
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,760
finishes the battle than the one
that starts it. 

1442
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,400
Because, you know, if you're not
the one that finishes it, you 

1443
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,080
probably lost. 
And Daylor breaks. 

1444
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,360
Beer was remembered as exactly 
that man. 

1445
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:01,800
Here's a quote from The World of
Ice and Fire. 

1446
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,440
The battle came to an end when 
Prince Baylor Breaks beer 

1447
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:11,200
appeared with the host of Storm 
Lords and Dornish men falling on

1448
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:15,200
the rebel rear, while the young 
Prince Makar rallied what 

1449
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:20,560
remained of Lord Aaron's van and
made an implacable anvil against

1450
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,600
which the rebels were hammered 
and destroyed. 10,000 men had 

1451
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:30,120
died for Damon Blackfyre's 
vanity and many more were 

1452
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,960
wounded and maimed. 
King Daron's efforts at peace 

1453
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,560
had been shattered through no 
fault of his own, save perhaps 

1454
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,160
too much mercy for his envious 
half brother. 

1455
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,280
Are you proud of me as he's? 
I said that without laughing. 

1456
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,920
Nice, good job. 
It's not over yet. 

1457
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,160
So to recap the action real 
briefly, Damon led his army 

1458
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,360
towards King's Landing, leading 
the vanguard himself was blocked

1459
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:04,240
by the loyalist host, which was 
led by the Aaron's Lord Aaron 

1460
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,240
and Wayne Corbray there. 
Then he was shot down by 

1461
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,200
Bloodraven. 
The rebels started to flee when 

1462
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:12,960
Bloodraven shot down the twin 
sons. 

1463
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,560
Bittersteel, who commanded the 
rear, turned the route into 

1464
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,320
another charge. 
He let he restored the the route

1465
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,040
and turned it into a charge 
which he led towards where Damon

1466
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,200
fell. 
He recovered blackfire and then 

1467
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,000
charged Bloodraven who they 
dueled. 

1468
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,880
Bittersteel got the better the 
duel and it's possible he would 

1469
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,080
have even finished Bloodraven 
off. 

1470
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:32,720
We're not sure. 
This may have been when Baylor 

1471
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:37,160
arrived and when Baylor arrived,
the smash into the rebel rear 

1472
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:39,400
and that basically ended the 
battle. 

1473
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:41,400
Now that's the part you were 
going to laugh at. 

1474
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,000
How the Rebel rear. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1475
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,400
Bitter Steel, if you think about
this from a strategic 

1476
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,800
perspective, Bitter Steel's job,
he was leading the rear. 

1477
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,520
So his job is to prevent 
something like what Baylord did.

1478
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,680
His job is to watch out for 
another army approaching. 

1479
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,480
He was. 
His job is to protect the rear 

1480
01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:01,920
of the army from being smashed 
into from behind like Baylord 

1481
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,920
did. 
But because the battle was over 

1482
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,840
losing and they were, he had to 
do something to recover the 

1483
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,120
sword and this other stuff. 
So had things gone a little 

1484
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,640
differently as well? 
Baylor arrives and finds himself

1485
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,240
facing Bitter Steel and is going
to be delayed. 

1486
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,840
He'll have to fight his way 
through that in order to get to 

1487
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,400
the main army. 
So it really could have gone a 

1488
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,800
lot differently because this was
a like these things all happen 

1489
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,160
together so closely in a matter 
of like minutes, not not even 

1490
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:32,080
not hours, let alone days for. 
What it's worth, there's other 

1491
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,880
ways it could have gone 
differently that would have made

1492
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,600
it more clear, like we're we're 
looking at ways like it was so 

1493
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,120
close and it could have gone the
other way. 

1494
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,000
Well, it may be it was so close 
and it could have been more 

1495
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,280
clear that it was going the way 
it was. 

1496
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,040
What if Baylor got there a day 
early? 

1497
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:47,560
Yeah. 
What if we just got there a day?

1498
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:47,920
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1499
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,080
All these close things would 
have been pretty close, yeah. 

1500
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,840
Yeah, that's true. 
Damon may have just had to back 

1501
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:54,920
off. 
Battle may not have happened. 

1502
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,960
They'd be like, Sir, they've got
40,000 men, we've got 20. 

1503
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,880
Should we not do this right now?
Like, Oh yeah, you're probably 

1504
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:06,320
right. 
And who knows what a monumental 

1505
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,840
effort it may have been on 
Baylor's point to get his 

1506
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,480
soldiers there on time. 
You know, yeah, I think of the 

1507
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,920
logistical and political 
coordinations that would have 

1508
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,920
taken to do all that. 
It's easy to blow all that off 

1509
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,680
because one guy was better with 
the sword. 

1510
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,160
But hey, man, that guy was 
better with the sword. 

1511
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,280
Bring 40,000 troops to the 
battlefield. 

1512
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,440
I mean, yeah, you're right. 
Like he may a a a weaker 

1513
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:30,000
commander, a less charismatic, 
less capable commander may have 

1514
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,040
may have been completely late. 
He may have showed up. 

1515
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:34,480
Yeah. 
Three hours later, which would 

1516
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:37,600
have been too late. 
So three days later, which went 

1517
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,840
way too late. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1518
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,880
And you notice that that quote 
was a lot less harsh. 

1519
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,960
It wasn't as biased as your Sir 
Eustis because it's it's from a 

1520
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,600
maestro's point of view. 
It's still it it caused Damon 

1521
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,720
Blackfyre's vanity. 
And it also says King Deron 

1522
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:57,520
maybe gave too much leeway to 
his half brother, but so kind of

1523
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,840
leaves both sides open there a 
bit. 

1524
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:03,160
I would be a little harder on 
Deron, but not like super hard 

1525
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,160
like he was trying for peace. 
I got to. 

1526
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,480
I respect that. 
But he may have learned a lesson

1527
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:10,640
about trusting too much or 
keeping people too close or or 

1528
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,800
being a little too lenient, as 
the quote suggests. 

1529
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,360
He also saw how well his son 
acquitted himself in combat as a

1530
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,280
leader, which was that had to 
make him very proud, had to make

1531
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,280
him feel good about the future. 
And it also made him more of a 

1532
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,720
candidate for office, which 
we'll see here in a minute. 

1533
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,760
Like that had to give a lot of 
people confidence in his 

1534
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,400
abilities. 
Like they knew he had it in him 

1535
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,760
probably like everybody was, Oh,
the bright shining Prince. 

1536
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:33,680
He's great. 
He's great. 

1537
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,240
But until he actually performs 
when it matters, you can't know 

1538
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:38,520
how he's going to handle it. 
And he did. 

1539
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,280
He handled it really well. 
He handled it so well. 

1540
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,360
Arguably, he got too much 
credit, I think. 

1541
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,720
And we talked about this in our 
episode on the red grass field 

1542
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:51,160
made seven years ago, that Makar
deserves more credit than Daylor

1543
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,960
Makar's the one who had to step 
in and take over for the slain 

1544
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,840
Lord Hayford, the commander, the
Lord, the hand that took over 

1545
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,200
for Lord Butterwell was killed 
in the red grass field. 

1546
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,800
And Makar sort of stepped up to 
reform the lines. 

1547
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,160
And he's the one who, it's, as 
it says, gathered the shattered 

1548
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,560
lines into an anvil that Daylor 
hammered against. 

1549
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,160
Well, Baylor got to sneak in and
attack from behind, right? 

1550
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,240
Whereas Makar was there the 
whole time, fighting and holding

1551
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,040
people off and resisting Damon's
initial charge. 

1552
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:20,160
It sounds like he had a harder 
job. 

1553
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,160
Baylor kind of came in and saved
the day, but Makar's job was 

1554
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:24,480
more difficult and more 
challenging. 

1555
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:26,720
He acquitted himself just as 
well, if not better. 

1556
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,680
But afterwards, it was Baylor 
who got all the credit. 

1557
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,520
Who or most of the credit? 
I mean, it was the hammer and 

1558
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,400
the anvil. 
Like they they that was the the 

1559
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,520
song. 
But more credit goes to the 

1560
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,400
Hammer. 
Like Hammer's just a cooler 

1561
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,320
name, right? 
Like how many Hammer? 

1562
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,120
Like it's one of the most common
nicknames there is. 

1563
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,600
Like right now any of you out 
there could name like 5 people 

1564
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,720
who have the nickname Hammer MC 
Hammer. 

1565
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,320
MC Hammer. 
Yeah, MC Hammer. 

1566
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,360
There's that Hammer who won the 
second Magic the Gathering Pro 

1567
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,160
Tour. 
Hammer Rainier was his name 

1568
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:56,920
Hammer and Hank, Hank Aaron for 
baseball. 

1569
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:59,720
You know, there's even within a 
Song of Ice and fire, the Hammer

1570
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,000
of the waters, the hammer of the
Dornish hard hew hammer. 

1571
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,920
There's just a lot of hammers. 
Y'all hammer and nail in the in 

1572
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,480
the second sons or whatever. 
You know, there's just a lot of 

1573
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:10,640
hammers. 
It's popular. 

1574
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,120
Hammer hardly know her. 
Exactly. 

1575
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,680
So break spear, he gets another 
nickname because when you're 

1576
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,080
cool, you can get multiple 
nicknames. 

1577
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,520
So he's break spear and the 
hammer. 

1578
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:25,320
He breaks the spear with hammers
and now make our being in his 

1579
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:26,520
brother's shadow is a pretty big
deal. 

1580
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,440
But that's probably more of a 
story for Makar. 

1581
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:31,000
Being in someone's shadow is 
it's more appropriate to discuss

1582
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,680
that when you're the guy in the 
shadow rather than the one past 

1583
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,480
the shadow. 
So we'll we'll talk about this 

1584
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:37,840
more when we do an episode of 
Makar because Makar does deserve

1585
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,560
his own episode one day. 
TK OK Podcast Network. 

1586
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,920
Shout out to our good friend 
Tommy and the new Dad show. 

1587
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,600
You know, Yeah, super chat says 
love on Father's Day from the 

1588
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,680
thigh Sparrow. 
Not the High Sparrow, but the 

1589
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,480
thigh Sparrow. 
Right on named that because of 

1590
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,800
his creamy thighs, which are 
well tattooed. 

1591
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:01,640
Yes, yes, but he has a tattoo of
of Winterfell on one thigh 

1592
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,920
currently. 
Also, I will note that part of 

1593
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:10,280
the TK OK podcast network is the
new Dad podcast, which I'm not 

1594
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,920
such a new dad right now. 
Experienced dad, I'd say, but 

1595
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,640
relevant on Father's Day, yes. 
Yeah, Happy Father's Day to all 

1596
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:26,080
fathers out there except mine. 
Screw that. 

1597
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:26,680
Screw that guy. 
Yeah. 

1598
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,600
Or yours if your father's like 
mine. 

1599
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:33,800
Yeah, screw him. 
Screw them too. 

1600
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:37,960
All right? 
So hand to the king. 

1601
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,640
So not everyone has a father 
like Deron the Second? 

1602
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,600
Yeah. 
Some people have a father like 

1603
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,280
Aegon the Unworthy. 
That's right. 

1604
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,880
Like Deron the second. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1605
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,920
So he was hand from nears 196 up
until his death in the year 2 O 

1606
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,640
9. 
So a good solid 13 plus years is

1607
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,400
hand to the king. 
It was a good thirteen years. 

1608
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,760
And here's a quote to represent 
those good times. 

1609
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,400
With his half brothers dealt 
with and the strength of his 

1610
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:13,160
sons and heirs supporting him, 
many thought that King Daron had

1611
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:17,200
now ensured that the realm would
be under Targaryen rule for 

1612
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,960
centuries to come. 
Few could doubt that Baylor 

1613
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,600
Breaks Spear would be a great 
king, for he was the heart of 

1614
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:29,280
chivalry and the soul of wisdom,
and came to serve his father 

1615
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,360
most ably as Hand. 
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't. 

1616
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,080
It says first centuries to come.
It didn't even last one more 

1617
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,360
century. 
Robert Baratheon became king in 

1618
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,000
about 283 or 282. 
That's less than 100 years from 

1619
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:46,080
this this point. 
This is the year 196. 

1620
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,160
It's possible Deron wanted 
Baylor to be hand before this. 

1621
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,200
I mean, he worked with him so 
closely, but maybe he just 

1622
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:56,200
didn't have the political clout 
to promote his son at such an 

1623
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,320
early age. 
It's so little experience being 

1624
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:03,320
so unproven, but boom, clearly 
he's proven now he's the one of 

1625
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,120
the big heroes of the red grass 
field of the rebellion. 

1626
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,200
He successfully showed his 
leadership abilities and it 

1627
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:14,560
played out in a way that that 
made him maybe get even more 

1628
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,960
acclaimed than he deserved. 
Though he clearly deserved a lot

1629
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,480
of acclaim. 
So the question of experience 

1630
01:19:19,480 --> 01:19:21,640
and capability was thoroughly 
answered. 

1631
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,200
So I'm guessing if he was a 
questionable choice before he 

1632
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,800
went to a popular one, 
especially because a lot of the 

1633
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,600
people who would have been 
opposed to it were just killed 

1634
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,840
or lost and had to bend the knee
and were no and in no place to 

1635
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:39,080
demand anything as he had when 
the war preached broke out. 

1636
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,680
He may have preached mercy for 
the rebel to bring them back in 

1637
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,880
peacefully. 
Let's invite them back so, you 

1638
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,000
know, let make them sure 
concessions. 

1639
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,560
Maybe they have to give up 
hostages here and there, but 

1640
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:54,880
let's not be too hard on right 
Blood Raven and others argued 

1641
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,440
for severe punishments and blood
Raven's esteem at court would 

1642
01:19:57,440 --> 01:19:59,760
have also gone up. 
He's the guy that actually 

1643
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,840
killed Damon. 
He showed himself very capable 

1644
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,120
as well. 
He also lost an eye so he would,

1645
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,320
you know, have I don't know if 
that gives him any sympathy but 

1646
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,520
they'd be like look proof I I 
lost this on the red grass field

1647
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,880
y'all. 
He could maybe intimidate people

1648
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,000
with his opinions based on. 
He would look intimidating. 

1649
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:21,520
Hell, I mean, there's that too. 
But just his authority for 

1650
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,280
having been there and faced that
and been there, done that, all 

1651
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,080
that. 
Yeah, no one can blow him off. 

1652
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,720
Like when's the last time you 
were on a battlefield or 

1653
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,080
something like that? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1654
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,240
Yeah, so whatever any any anti 
blood Raven sentiment would have

1655
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,240
would have been lessened given 
his participation and just the 

1656
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,960
fact that whoa, he's he's even 
more dangerous than we thought. 

1657
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,520
Like the rumors of him using 
sorcery to kill Damon and his 

1658
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,360
willingness to be a kinslayer 
and all of this stuff. 

1659
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,920
Like, man, this guy is ruthless.
Do not cross him. 

1660
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,400
So what you have is a court at 
which a lot of people's esteem 

1661
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,360
is raised. 
Daron wins the war. 

1662
01:20:53,480 --> 01:20:54,960
Even though he didn't send any, 
even though he didn't 

1663
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,440
participate directly, he sent 
the right people to do it. 

1664
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:01,440
He still gets a lot of credit. 
Baylor and Bloodraven get a ton 

1665
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:06,160
of credit too. 
So they have honors and favors 

1666
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,880
and standing at court with which
to argue their positions. 

1667
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:14,720
King Darren was surprisingly, 
somewhat surprisingly harsh with

1668
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:15,760
the rebels. 
It wasn't. 

1669
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,040
I don't know what that means 
because we don't get a lot of 

1670
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,840
details, but but it people were 
surprised given the way he had 

1671
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,160
handled things like this before,
he went farther than they 

1672
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,680
thought he would. 
And this, I got to think, is 

1673
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,280
partly Blood Raven's influence. 
Maybe Baylor wasn't happy about 

1674
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:31,760
that. 
Maybe he pushed for a little 

1675
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,800
more leniency, but evidence 
suggested perhaps that leniency 

1676
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,280
backfired, so they might not 
want to be so lenient. 

1677
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:41,840
There might be a lot of other 
people that would agree with 

1678
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,400
that. 
But like, yeah, look, Baylor, 

1679
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,920
like I appreciate your 
chivalrous take here, but I got 

1680
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:51,760
to side with Brendan because 
leniency did backfire or 

1681
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,760
blackfire pretty badly. 
So we got to be harsher. 

1682
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,520
We got to demand hostages. 
We got to take land away. 

1683
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:04,760
We got to do that stuff, which 
of course had it's you never 

1684
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,800
could tell. 
Like we, we only have one data 

1685
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,080
point here. 
We don't know how it could have 

1686
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,880
gone if they were more lenient 
or or even harsher. 

1687
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,520
We do know that some people were
very dissatisfied and it did 

1688
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:19,160
maybe stoke the next rebellion 
of the the wedding rather the 

1689
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,440
wedding party. 
If you're going to stoke her a 

1690
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:23,760
billion, that's the best one. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1. 

1691
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,240
That actually like 3 people died
or something, you know, and one 

1692
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:31,160
of them was just bragging about 
being a an informer, you know. 

1693
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,840
So one of them was Lord Gorman 
Peak. 

1694
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,280
Like, yeah, good riddance to 
that guy, you know, Black Tom 

1695
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,040
Heddle also good riddance. 
Yeah. 

1696
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:45,320
So yeah, that went pretty well. 
But for Daron, he grew up, and 

1697
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,320
we got to put ourselves in his 
shoes for a minute, too, because

1698
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,440
Baylor would know this. 
Baylor would know where his 

1699
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:53,040
father's coming from. 
Granddad Aegon, who he grew up 

1700
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,600
with, let's not forget, Baylor 
was around for his grandfather, 

1701
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,720
trying to undermine his side of 
the family, constantly 

1702
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,800
humiliating, trying to remove 
them from the line of 

1703
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,000
succession, all this stuff. 
So there is that as well. 

1704
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,680
To balance out any leniency on 
Baylor's part might be like, 

1705
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,040
well, yeah, even the leniency 
can come within our own family. 

1706
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,640
So maybe maybe I should be a 
little stricter about these 

1707
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:18,440
things. 
Maybe he changed his tune a 

1708
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:19,320
little bit. 
Maybe. 

1709
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,360
Meaning we're talking about a 
young man transitioning to 

1710
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,160
adulthood. 
He may have been disabused of 

1711
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:26,720
some notions. 
If he had been friends with 

1712
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,360
Damon, which we speculated on 
off and on throughout this this 

1713
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,760
pair of episodes, it would wake 
him up to like, well, I got to 

1714
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,960
be careful about who I make 
friends with and I got to. 

1715
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:42,080
I can't allow my prejudices to, 
for my friendship with people 

1716
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,000
distract me from my greater duty
to the realm here. 

1717
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:47,000
No. 
And he seems like a very serious

1718
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,880
person. 
Yeah, I wonder that. 

1719
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,760
And that would be a primary 
goal, not having another civil 

1720
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:57,720
war, two major civil wars in the
2nd century of Targaryen rule, 

1721
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,160
the Dance and the Black Fire 
Rebellion. 

1722
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,440
Now, of course, as we know, 
there would be more Black Fire 

1723
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:06,440
rebellions, not just the wedding
in the next turn, not next 

1724
01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:08,000
century. 
But by that time, Baylor would 

1725
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,440
be long dead. 
So during his time, maybe it was

1726
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:15,800
easy, maybe it was just because 
it took Bitter Steel so long to 

1727
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,160
get the Golden Company set up 
and other things. 

1728
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:23,600
But they kept it on lockdown 
like they kept it in in a good 

1729
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,600
place. 
They may have even done clever 

1730
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:29,680
things to slow Bitter Steel 
down. 

1731
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,680
They may have made moves 
overseas. 

1732
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:37,600
We know they remarried, make our
son Daron to Kiara of Thai Rosh 

1733
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,600
much later. 
Now that would be after Baylor's

1734
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,720
death. 
But the first marriage of Kiara 

1735
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:47,920
of Thai Rosh to Baylor's son was
very political because, you 

1736
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:50,400
know, Damon's strength lies in 
Thai Rosh. 

1737
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,600
They may have been trying to 
like undermine some of his Thai 

1738
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,040
Roshi strength. 
So yeah, like I said, I was a 

1739
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,600
little harsher on Deron about 
stopping the Blackfire 

1740
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,480
Rebellions in the 1st place. 
They didn't clearly didn't learn

1741
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:03,880
enough of the lessons from the 
Dance to stop this one from 

1742
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:05,680
happening. 
But of course, to be fair, Aegon

1743
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:09,440
the 4th, I mean, that dude did 
so much to make it to set the 

1744
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,600
plants of seeds for the 
Blackfire Rebellion in the 1st 

1745
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,280
place. 
Like he's the reason more than 

1746
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,400
anything. 
But you know, I mean, Deron did 

1747
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:17,840
appoint Lord Butterwell. 
There's this. 

1748
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,400
This kind of that was probably a
mistake, even though he may have

1749
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,640
been a good peacetime hand. 
Let's say he didn't appoint Lord

1750
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:24,960
Butterwell. 
Does that mean it wouldn't have 

1751
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,800
happened? 
You know, he was really set up 

1752
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,000
for failure. 
Like he maybe he didn't handle 

1753
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,160
it perfectly, but he probably 
handled it way better than 

1754
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,080
average. 
And even if he had handled it 

1755
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,680
perfectly, it might have still 
happened. 

1756
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,640
And. 
I think from a like a greater 

1757
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:43,480
karmic angle, George is saying 
talking about reality and we 

1758
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:45,920
like just because you make the 
right moves, because you do you 

1759
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,080
have the right attitudes and 
your your goals are noble, 

1760
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,920
doesn't mean it's going to work 
out doesn't guarantee the best 

1761
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,040
results. 
That's the world. 

1762
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,000
You know, there's always going 
to be bad people trying to 

1763
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,680
undermine you. 
A random chance can undermine 

1764
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,040
you Mother Nature. 
I mean, there's random things 

1765
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,280
like the tornado comes and 
you're blamed for it because 

1766
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,440
everybody's superstitious like 
you do, you know? 

1767
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,200
I will say, though, I don't feel
like George has a nihilistic, 

1768
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,800
no, he's not. 
I, I don't think he, it's not 

1769
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,600
like you shouldn't try to do the
right thing. 

1770
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,240
Even when you do the right 
thing, it doesn't always work 

1771
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:16,480
out. 
But you shouldn't still try to 

1772
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:17,400
do the right thing. 
I agree. 

1773
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:18,800
I totally agree. 
I totally agree with that 

1774
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,880
interpretation too, because a 
lot of people do think George is

1775
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,040
a nihilist and it's just like 
this. 

1776
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,760
I don't see that. 
He absolutely makes it clear 

1777
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,240
that that the trying is hard, 
but he doesn't say he never 

1778
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,040
makes it seem like pointless. 
He I totally agree with the 

1779
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,680
interpretation that he makes it.
He shows that it's worthwhile. 

1780
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:34,560
It's worthwhile to try. 
Ren is a hero. 

1781
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:35,920
Rihanna is a hero. 
Yes. 

1782
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:37,480
Rihanna is a hero. 
Dunk is a hero. 

1783
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,240
Yeah, Dad Stark is heroic. 
He's a hero too, in a much 

1784
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,240
different way, you know, for 
sticking up for children and, 

1785
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,680
and for peace and things like 
that. 

1786
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,760
And all the heroes might not be 
perfect, but I think we we 

1787
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,240
jumped to Brienne because she is
close to perfect. 

1788
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:53,600
I don't know a moral standpoint 
it. 

1789
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,320
Is close as we got. 
Yeah, it's perfect. 

1790
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:56,440
Yeah. 
And we don't. 

1791
01:26:56,440 --> 01:27:00,360
And we don't feel like she's 
wasting her time with her silly 

1792
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,600
integrity, you know? 
No, yeah, no one reads that and 

1793
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,760
going like, what a dumb ass. 
And no one reads that and goes, 

1794
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,000
that's stupid Brienne. 
Well, maybe someone does, but no

1795
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,120
one I know I would disagree with
anyone who thinks that way. 

1796
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:12,880
The complaints would continue 
though. 

1797
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,520
Even though the black fires 
lost, there would still be 

1798
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,520
people saying, look, this court 
is too Dornish, or why do the 

1799
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,240
Dornish get these concessions 
that the other highlighters 

1800
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,800
don't? 
That was that would still happen

1801
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,920
in court with petitions instead 
of with swords and insults, 

1802
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,040
right? 
That would still be going on. 

1803
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:28,920
It wouldn't just die out with 
the black fires. 

1804
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,560
And Baylor's hand to the King 
would be in charge of handling a

1805
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,800
lot of it. 
I mean, as we know, the hand is 

1806
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,640
the frontline for a lot of these
things. 

1807
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,760
The King dreams, the Hand 
builds, that sort of thing. 

1808
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,000
And this King and Hand worked 
together better than most. 

1809
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,920
They they were of one mind, more
so than a lot of others, because

1810
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,240
a lot of times where the King 
and the Hand were contentious, 

1811
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,320
Tywin and Aries being one of the
most. 

1812
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,400
But Tywin and Aries worked 
really well early on. 

1813
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:57,680
So even they were an example of 
King and Hand getting along 

1814
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:02,440
until until they weren't. 
So there'd be still people 

1815
01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:05,120
saying, you know, mocking him 
for being Dornish and whispering

1816
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,320
about that. 
And but he would probably have 

1817
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,240
handled it with grace because 
that seems to be how he handles 

1818
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,120
most things. 
I mean, maybe he would have his 

1819
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,520
moments where chafed at him and 
he got frustrated. 

1820
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,800
But I, you know, I feel like he 
would have kept that under 

1821
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,720
wraps, done that behind closed 
doors. 

1822
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:25,440
But maybe I'm making too much of
his goodness. 

1823
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,880
One other weird question we have
is what would he have thought 

1824
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:36,240
about Daenerys and Damon? 
Whether Damon wanted to marry 

1825
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,120
twice, whether that was 
something that was just young, 

1826
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:40,800
something that happened when he 
was younger. 

1827
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:42,320
It's always been a little 
puzzling. 

1828
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,000
Did Damon really think he could 
marry twice? 

1829
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,920
I kind of doubt that. 
Maybe when he was, maybe when 

1830
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,040
Aegon was still king, he could 
have thought that. 

1831
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,160
But I mean, Baylor probably 
wouldn't have been cool with 

1832
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:53,600
that. 
I mean, Daron definitely wasn't 

1833
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,160
either. 
Like polygamy under this new in 

1834
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:57,720
my salad. 
Yeah. 

1835
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,360
Like a me under infronted by 
salad. 

1836
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,440
Yeah, no way. 
So I don't think so. 

1837
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,240
But it's it's even weird that he
could have thought that he was 

1838
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,960
enabled to do that or allowed to
do that given all this. 

1839
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:15,520
So one thing might be a 
conflation of old rumor. 

1840
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,120
Like Barristan brings this point
up. 

1841
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,200
He's like, oh, he rose when he 
was denied the hand of Nair's. 

1842
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:21,720
Like, no, that happened eight 
years later, you know, And it's 

1843
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:23,760
like, it definitely wasn't the. 
Yeah, I think maybe some of this

1844
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,920
is just exaggerated by the 
historians because it sounds 

1845
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,840
romantic and it's the kind of 
thing in the world people would 

1846
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,400
latch onto as a reason while it 
being not very accurate. 

1847
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,160
And he may have believed, like 
Nina writes, that it's. 

1848
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:43,560
Possible that when Damon was 
like. 14 years old he could have

1849
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,800
thought he could also marry 
someone else because he thought 

1850
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,800
of himself as another Aegon the 
Conqueror and his father Aegon 

1851
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,120
was had 9 mistresses and all of 
those. 

1852
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:58,560
So it's not that far from maybe 
believing this stuff naively 

1853
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,720
because of his age And and you 
know, Rhaegar will later be with

1854
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,480
Lyanna while he's married, so 
it's not The idea isn't going 

1855
01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:08,680
completely crazy even though it 
seems culturally unacceptable. 

1856
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,280
Arguably it was more culturally 
acceptable when. 

1857
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,640
Rhaegar did it even though it 
was less. 

1858
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,920
Acceptable from some of the high
Lords, like the faith were more 

1859
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:24,480
powerful in in Deron's day, in 
Baylor's day as well too. 

1860
01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:27,640
Like how did that go with the 
with the marchers? 

1861
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,120
As things proceeded, did the 
marchers start to calm down over

1862
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,120
time? 
Like, all right, one realm fine,

1863
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,360
we're not at war with Dornish, 
but there may have been more 

1864
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,320
just Dornish incursions. 
They may have still been sending

1865
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,280
Raiders into Dorn just to 
petulantly continue the old ways

1866
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:46,280
under wraps, you know, send 
raids here and there regardless 

1867
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:48,520
of what was happening, 
regardless of what ill will 

1868
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,640
still was out there. 
A key goal for any monarch and 

1869
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:58,240
his son in hand would be to curb
these bad feelings, these flare 

1870
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,760
ups from turning into another 
war to turning into some big 

1871
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,760
problem. 
They would recognize that it's 

1872
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,960
going to take generations to fix
these problems for good. 

1873
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,720
The best they can do is just 
keep it from flaring up too big 

1874
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,440
into another full scale 
rebellion. 

1875
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:15,960
Let's talk about outside 
threats, because it's one thing 

1876
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:17,840
to. 
See problems within. 

1877
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,960
The family or within the realm. 
It's another to to stop things 

1878
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,200
that aren't even in Westeros. 
Like they have a limited ability

1879
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,560
to interfere with things that 
are happening outside their own 

1880
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,240
borders. 
Like a lot of things that 

1881
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,400
happened happened within the 
family, right? 

1882
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,960
Like it wasn't like the Dornish 
didn't start a war and attack, 

1883
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,000
you know, the Ironborn didn't do
that. 

1884
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,760
It was a civil war, 2 Targaryen 
factions going against each 

1885
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,480
other. 
So these things start from 

1886
01:31:45,480 --> 01:31:49,240
within. 
That's why I put a little bit 

1887
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,600
more blame on most the Deron, on
Deron the most, because it 

1888
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,840
started within his family. 
Like this is these are your 

1889
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,280
relatives. 
Your job was to prevent this 

1890
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,560
from happening. 
I think he did a good job in 

1891
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:03,440
general as a king. 
I think he earned the name The 

1892
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:06,320
Good, but I'm still critical of 
this, you know. 

1893
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,240
But as I alluded to before, 
there may have been some clever 

1894
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:15,560
moves they did to undermine 
whatever Bitter Steel was trying

1895
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:20,120
to do in Essos. 
He had black fire. 

1896
01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:22,760
But the Golden Company wasn't 
formed till about the year 212. 

1897
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,560
And I wonder if they are the 
reason it took so long. 

1898
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:31,040
Nonviolent interference, bribing
offerings, like, hey, you know 

1899
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,120
what certain key commander of 
bitter stills like, you know 

1900
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:35,800
what, bro, just come back over 
to Westeros. 

1901
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,240
We'll promise you safe passage. 
We'll let you have some of your 

1902
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:39,880
land back. 
Just come on back. 

1903
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:41,400
That's what you want anyway, 
right? 

1904
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,040
So just like buy off a few of 
his of his top guys and that 

1905
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,880
just like sets him back a lot. 
You know, just bring him back in

1906
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,920
like you don't want to live in 
Essos as a cell sword. 

1907
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:54,160
Come back here, bro. 
We'll give you your you know, I 

1908
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:55,440
could see that working on a few 
of them. 

1909
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,280
Yeah, a couple sabotage ships. 
A couple. 

1910
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:04,240
Red tape at the port and give a 
trade deal to Thai Rosh in 

1911
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,000
exchange for not backing them 
in. 

1912
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,320
Something else, like just 
something, just little 

1913
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:13,600
nonviolent ways of slowing them 
down, of blocking their moves. 

1914
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,880
Yeah. 
And Thai, Thai Rosh isn't a 

1915
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,400
monarch. 
We got to, we got to remember 

1916
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,080
that there. 
And they have Archons, which are

1917
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,880
elected officials. 
So we got to figure Rohan of 

1918
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,680
Thai Rosh, Damon Blackbird's 
wife, she was connected. 

1919
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,760
She was part of some big family.
And so with Kiera of Thai Rosh 

1920
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:33,680
marries Balar Baylor's son. 
This, as I alluded to before, 

1921
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,720
was likely to curb Thai Roshi 
influence, to give them a a 

1922
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:42,560
counterbalance within Thai Roshi
society against any using them 

1923
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:46,160
against Westeros. 
Now. 

1924
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,480
Kiara, like I said, is. 
Going to remarry to Darren the 

1925
01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:52,080
Drunkard later. 
After Valor dies in the Great 

1926
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,080
Spring Sickness, which shows how
important this marriage was to 

1927
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,280
them. 
They thought it was so important

1928
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,280
that they remarried her to 
another Targaryen Prince, to 

1929
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:04,320
another Crown Prince. 
And that says a lot about what 

1930
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,960
their. 
Their continued worries. 

1931
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:10,560
About future Blackfyre 
incursions, even though at this 

1932
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,400
point, nothing. 
Nothing of that sort has 

1933
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,800
happened yet. 
By the time they remarry Kiera 

1934
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,640
Daron, there'll have been second
Black Fire incursion and the 

1935
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,920
third Black Fire rebellion, 
which was a close run thing. 

1936
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,680
Nina thinks this marriage was 
probably arranged. 

1937
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,360
And occurred after the first 
black fire. 

1938
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,360
Rebellion. 
That is Kiera to Valar. 

1939
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:36,320
Now, Kiera and Valar never had 
any children, so that's 

1940
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:40,920
unfortunate. 
But had they had children, it 

1941
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:42,920
would have been pretty 
interesting to for people to 

1942
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:47,240
compare Damon's still living 
sons to those of the red Dragons

1943
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,520
who are still around. 
And you know, this all this 

1944
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,080
stuff. 
And then as well, later it 

1945
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,360
becomes very interesting to 
consider as part of his legacy. 

1946
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,520
Consider the preacher. 
Remember the preacher That's 

1947
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,680
like, oh, you know, the when 
Damon's the holier 1, you know, 

1948
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:06,080
the the gods favored him. 
You know, Blood Ravens with his 

1949
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:15,480
spell and his sorceries evil and
the deaths of these children are

1950
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,440
of of Baylor's children, Valar 
and Mataris. 

1951
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:22,360
It's kind of like you could 
frame that as the death of Aegon

1952
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:26,120
and Amon at the red grass field.
So the two first sons of Damon 

1953
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,000
verse the two only sons of 
Baylor. 

1954
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:30,520
It's like, well, the gods have 
spoken. 

1955
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,840
Baylor's line is ending. 
Damon's is still going. 

1956
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:38,440
So you wonder if that was a 
superstitious call out by 

1957
01:35:38,440 --> 01:35:40,960
adherents of Damon or people who
wanted to see the black fires 

1958
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,040
continue. 
Of course, this is much later, 

1959
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:47,040
but it would be the same. 
People would have been preaching

1960
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,240
this and that during Baylor's 
life, would have been able to 

1961
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,720
pivot to this later. 
Like, see, see, we we've been 

1962
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:55,560
saying this for decades now. 
The gods finally had their due. 

1963
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:56,920
You know, it took a while, but 
they did it. 

1964
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:58,960
You know, they showed the gods 
can't be cheated. 

1965
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:03,360
Very results oriented, yes, 
very, but that's a lot of people

1966
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:09,400
are that yes, yes, we sure are. 
Nina says Kira of Tyros is a 

1967
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:14,040
very is has a lot of parallels 
to Catherine of Aragon and more 

1968
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,560
more potential connections there
for real world stuff there. 

1969
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,880
So that's a that's a discussion 
for another time, but wanted to 

1970
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:24,760
throw that out. 
So if Maron and Daenerys's. 

1971
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,600
Eldest son wasn't at the. 
Red grass field because he 

1972
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,400
wasn't old enough to Squire for 
Baylor. 

1973
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:33,040
We only need to look a few years
later for when this is a lot 

1974
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,840
more likely because we don't 
know when this kid was born, but

1975
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:40,240
whenever he was born, at some 
point he turned old enough to be

1976
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,040
a Squire. 
And I mean, it's super 

1977
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,960
straightforward. 
This is Baylor Brakespeare, the 

1978
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,400
Crown Prince, the heart of soul 
and soul of nobility and 

1979
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,720
chivalry in the 17. 
Of course you want your son 

1980
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:56,360
Squire to be to be a Squire to 
him, especially when he's like 

1981
01:36:56,360 --> 01:37:00,200
your your nephew, you know, or 
or I guess he would actually be.

1982
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,000
Yeah, he would be cousin because
he'd be a lot older. 

1983
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:08,600
But Daenerys is his aunt, so 
yeah, Anyway, close relation and

1984
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,640
a pretty ideal choice. 
So yeah, maybe this son of Maron

1985
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,200
Martel was raised inside Baylor,
at least for a little while. 

1986
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,840
Briefly, let's check back in on 
magic and prophecy because 

1987
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,480
that's always worth talking 
about. 

1988
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:23,480
Here and there we talk about 
Blood Ravens. 

1989
01:37:23,480 --> 01:37:26,880
Increase increase role because 
of his being so effective during

1990
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,000
the Blackfyre rebellion and his 
promotion. 

1991
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,000
He may have been not officially 
Master Whispers, but we think he

1992
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:33,680
was. 
He was called Master Whispers, 

1993
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,440
we just don't know when 
officially he achieved that 

1994
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:41,680
title with his enhanced clout 
with Chiara in the picture now 

1995
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,720
and Darren's own son Aries, who 
was bookish. 

1996
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:49,280
You've got this cadre at court, 
this group that we discussed in 

1997
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,160
the Shirazi Star episode in 
particular, as well as other 

1998
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,360
places that are very, very 
interested in researching the 

1999
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:59,400
occult and the arcane. 
And again, ERISA is the one who 

2000
01:37:59,960 --> 01:38:04,920
found the prophecy of the 
Dragons returning and throw that

2001
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,120
mix in. 
They're on the drunkard's 

2002
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:11,480
dreams, who were not he, he 
would have maybe started having 

2003
01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:13,360
dreams at a young age. 
We're not clear on that, but. 

2004
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,360
He was born. 
Before, certainly well before 

2005
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,200
Baylor died. 
Obviously Baylor died and Darren

2006
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,080
the drunkard was right there at 
the trial 7 with him. 

2007
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:26,640
So he would have been Privy 
perhaps to his nephew's dreams, 

2008
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,080
maybe not the contents of them, 
but he would know that his 

2009
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,800
nephew was a dream most likely. 
And Damon, and we mentioned 

2010
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,280
Damon the second who was 
probably at court till he was 

2011
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,400
around 8 or 9 or at least would 
have been in and out of court. 

2012
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,680
His dreams might have been 
something people talked about as

2013
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,400
well if they were aware of them,
which in his case they might not

2014
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,520
have been. 
But it's impossible for Baylor 

2015
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:48,680
not to be aware that Targaryens 
have dreamed that Targaryens 

2016
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,640
want to bring Dragons back. 
Even Baylor the blessed prayed 

2017
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:54,280
over his Dragons. 
So it wasn't even off the table 

2018
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:57,040
for for the the pious 
Targaryens. 

2019
01:38:58,440 --> 01:39:00,640
So what did he think of it? 
We have no idea, but it's it's 

2020
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,840
he had to have had opinions. 
He had to have had thoughts on. 

2021
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:04,760
It what did he think of magical 
pursuits? 

2022
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,000
The fact that it was a time of 
peace enabled more magical 

2023
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,800
pursuits. 
Like this is something you don't

2024
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,000
have time for when you're in 
civil war. 

2025
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,440
You know, maybe Shiera does 
because she wasn't fighting in 

2026
01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:16,040
the war. 
But Bloodraven, he was a little 

2027
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:18,600
busy. 
Eris the first, not a warrior. 

2028
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,480
Maybe he was still just in the 
library during the war, but 

2029
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,840
still, you got to figure there's
more time for the stuff when the

2030
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:28,000
realm isn't at war. 
More ability to for academic 

2031
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,920
pursuits, more time for that, 
more appropriate for that. 

2032
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:34,880
From what we can tell. 
When Aries became king, I picked

2033
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:36,600
up even more. 
Because we've got the bookish 

2034
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:37,840
dude. 
Who's actually in charge? 

2035
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,720
And no one's going to tell him 
to do other stuff. 

2036
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:42,600
He's like, no, I want to read my
books. 

2037
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,640
That's you. 
Take care of the realm. 

2038
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:48,920
I'm going to keep reading. 
Super interesting to wonder what

2039
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:52,360
Baylor thought of that, whether 
it was one of the things that 

2040
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,080
some of the hardliners didn't 
like people who were black 

2041
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,440
fires. 
Did they associate this stuff 

2042
01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:00,960
with blood Raven before he was 
big into it? 

2043
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,520
Or was it something they or a 
reason they turned on it because

2044
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,400
he was associated with like, oh,
this is the stuff Blood Ravens 

2045
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,240
into. 
We don't we don't like that or 

2046
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:11,280
or what you know, it's it's 
always a big open question as to

2047
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:15,480
what people think about magic. 
I feel like from what we know of

2048
01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:18,200
Baylor. 
He would have at least accounted

2049
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:19,760
for. 
These things I don't think he 

2050
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,960
would have just like completely 
dismissed it. 

2051
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:26,600
I think he's, he's been 
described specifically as wise, 

2052
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:30,720
you know, and I think that he 
would have seen enough to be 

2053
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,040
aware of the reality of the, you
know, he. 

2054
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:36,200
May even have sort. 
Of I don't know how to say it's 

2055
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,000
like Davos or Stannis 
suspicions. 

2056
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,960
Like I don't know about this 
magic stuff, but it's real. 

2057
01:40:41,480 --> 01:40:44,960
Like he might, you know, and he 
might even be more accepted of 

2058
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:49,440
like dreams from his relatives, 
you know, like he he might not 

2059
01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:51,080
get obsessed with it like some 
might. 

2060
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:52,760
Yeah. 
But I don't think that he. 

2061
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:54,600
Would have been. 
Ignorant to it or dismissive of?

2062
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:56,640
Yeah, I think you're right 
because it would be weird to be 

2063
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:58,200
dismissive of something that's 
clearly effective. 

2064
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,480
Doesn't sound like something. 
He would do you also wonder like

2065
01:41:01,480 --> 01:41:04,880
we hear that Bloodraven and 
maybe Shiera or with Shiera's 

2066
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:09,160
help was using magic to ferret 
out secrets as part of being a 

2067
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:12,280
master whisperers. 
If if Baylor was aware of any 

2068
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:16,000
specifics or details that might 
be interesting or cause for 

2069
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,960
concern or just something they'd
spoke on or like, don't go too 

2070
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:20,920
far with that, you know, keep 
that under wraps. 

2071
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,160
You know, I don't know. 
But is there there are good 

2072
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:28,200
questions that we can't answer. 
If this ever hits TV, those 

2073
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:29,320
questions might have to be 
answered. 

2074
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:30,800
They're going to have to fill in
some of those blanks. 

2075
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:36,280
They can't just ignore it. 
The Vulture King in the year 2 O

2076
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:40,360
6 after Baylor had been handed 
for a good ten years, helping 

2077
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,720
rule, managing the realm after 
the Black fire rebellions, 

2078
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,880
helping his father do good 
things, keep the peace. 

2079
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:49,360
This was a new Vulture King, 
wasn't the first one. 

2080
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,120
This was at least the 4th 
Vulture King. 

2081
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,680
We don't know how many total. 
There were kind of a microcosm 

2082
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:57,120
of the Black Fire Kings and that
they just kept coming by the way

2083
01:41:57,400 --> 01:41:59,680
by and so it is showing. 
I didn't know there were 

2084
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:04,000
multiple vulture Kings. 
Is there a certain time frame 

2085
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:07,240
and or geographical location 
that they were limited to? 

2086
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:08,560
They're always in the Red 
Mountains. 

2087
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:10,080
The Red Mountains is the key 
here. 

2088
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:11,640
They're all pretty much Dornish 
and. 

2089
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:12,560
They're all pretty. 
Yeah. 

2090
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:13,760
It's it's like the shrouded 
Lord. 

2091
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,600
So the Dread Pirate Roberts 
thing, there's been multiple 

2092
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:18,040
people call themselves out there
aren't necessarily related 

2093
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:21,680
family wise, but they're 
basically outlaw kings that 

2094
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,400
emerge in the Red Mountains. 
And because the Red Mountains is

2095
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:29,160
is difficult to penetrate. 
So it's a really hard place to 

2096
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,920
root out an outlaw king. 
Is it? 

2097
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,840
Is it something that's emerged, 
you know, like four or five 

2098
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,560
times over the past 10? 
1000 years, or four or five 

2099
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:40,040
times over the past 100 years. 
More of the latter. 

2100
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:42,280
Yeah, it wasn't. 
It wasn't a thing from way back 

2101
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,280
the first Vulture. 
King was during the time of 

2102
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:49,480
Jerry's, I believe the old king.
So not so only about so like in 

2103
01:42:49,480 --> 01:42:51,480
the year like 60 or 70, 
something like that. 

2104
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:52,520
So yeah. 
And there. 

2105
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:58,240
And this was the 4th, about 120 
years later, 130 years later, 

2106
01:42:58,240 --> 01:42:59,880
150 years later, something like 
that. 

2107
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:02,720
Yeah. 
So it's like a combination of 

2108
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,520
the black fires and the dread 
pirate robbers. 

2109
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,320
And yes, it's an outlaw 
tradition. 

2110
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:13,920
And this may have had political 
or ideological ties to the 

2111
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:18,320
Ironwoods because this is kind 
of in their region, the northern

2112
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:20,840
part of the Red Mountains, the 
ones that have borders with the 

2113
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,720
rest of the Seven Kingdoms. 
So the Vulture King can spill 

2114
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:28,160
out through secret valleys and 
passes known only to Dornish, 

2115
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,680
into Dorn or into the Marcher 
lands. 

2116
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,000
Or, you know, they have various 
place they can come in and out 

2117
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:35,880
of the mountains and which is 
what makes them difficult, sort 

2118
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,040
of like Ironborn. 
They can attack suddenly and get

2119
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,200
away suddenly. 
And then when they retreat, you 

2120
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,240
can't really follow them because
they go into their mountains 

2121
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:44,840
where it's very dangerous to 
follow them. 

2122
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,680
You might be chasing them and 
all of a sudden a bunch of 

2123
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,760
boulders are dropped on your 
head, you know, and you're 

2124
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:51,640
ambushed. 
It's like you're chasing them, 

2125
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:53,320
but now they're chasing you 
because you've entered their 

2126
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:55,160
turf. 
So, yeah, very daily, like the 

2127
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:58,040
Cranigan, you don't want to 
follow them into their turf. the

2128
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,160
Vulture Kings, there's lots of 
suspicions about them. 

2129
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:04,280
It's a topic we'll cover 
specifically one day, that they 

2130
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:09,880
might be proxy, like a proxy 
king, someone paying them to 

2131
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:12,560
cause trouble that they can 
exploit. 

2132
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,280
The Ironwoods would be a good 
potential example of this 

2133
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:19,440
because the Ironwoods have often
tried to undermine the Martells.

2134
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:22,120
Of course, keep in mind a lot of
the Vulture Kings emerged before

2135
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:24,760
the Seven Kingdoms was united. 
This is, I think this is the 

2136
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:28,760
last Vulture King and the only 
one that emerges when the seven 

2137
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,280
kingdoms is whole because all 
the others come on door and it's

2138
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,480
independent because it's always 
been like, well, the Vulture 

2139
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:36,800
King comes out and does stuff 
and the sun Spears like we got 

2140
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,120
nothing to do with this. 
This is an outlaw king and 

2141
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:42,720
people are like, is it now or is
it just a way for you to absolve

2142
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:44,880
yourself and have plausible 
deniability? 

2143
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,960
And we don't know which is true.
There could be 11 Vulture king 

2144
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:49,440
could be a yes, one could be a 
no. 

2145
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,120
So a Baylor would be faced with 
this. 

2146
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:53,640
And this is very interesting as 
hand to the king. 

2147
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:57,040
It would be his job to take this
on even more because look what's

2148
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,200
happening. 
This is the when when he was 

2149
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,960
sent to participate in the 
Blackfyre Rebellions, it was to 

2150
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:04,720
recruit Stormlanders. 
And dornishment. 

2151
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:08,600
Well, the Vulture King is smack 
dab in that territory, those two

2152
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:10,440
territories, as well as maybe a 
little bit in the Reach. 

2153
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:15,000
So there's potential blood ties 
to former rebels. 

2154
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:18,320
And who united to stop this 
Vulture King, Lord Karen and 

2155
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:22,040
Lord Dondarian? 
This is only three years before 

2156
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:24,280
the hedge night. 
So it's very likely the same 

2157
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:27,120
Lord Dondarian that we see in 
the hedge night. 

2158
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,040
The one that kind of tells Dunk 
to go away. 

2159
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:32,760
But Baylor is is kind to him. 
He's like, oh, yeah, I jousted 

2160
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,520
against your master, you know, 
and he's like, no, you couldn't 

2161
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:36,880
have. 
That was the the Prince. 

2162
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:45,320
Oh, you this would be. 
And remember that's we don't 

2163
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:48,720
know what Baylor's wife, Jenna, 
what his relation to Lord 

2164
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,280
Darndarian or what her relation 
to John Lord Darndarian is, but 

2165
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:53,480
he's a chance it's his sister or
daughter. 

2166
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:58,080
So very likely a close relation,
which is why we see Baylor and 

2167
01:45:58,080 --> 01:45:59,640
him chatting. 
They're in laws. 

2168
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:04,680
And you would really hope they 
would be particularly interested

2169
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:06,880
in these results. 
They would really want to equip 

2170
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:11,520
themselves well and reprove that
they are capable. 

2171
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:13,680
Like I said, it had been 10 
years since the Blackfyre 

2172
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:15,960
Rebellion. 
Maybe some people were still 

2173
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,400
chafing at things and had been a
long time since Baylor's 

2174
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,400
victory, and maybe they thought 
thing he'd gotten soft or weak 

2175
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,400
or who knows. 
But ten years is a long time for

2176
01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:30,040
grievances to be refreshed. 
And well, they did a good job. 

2177
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:36,080
They put down this new threat 
pretty thoroughly, and it may 

2178
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:39,840
have if it was a test. 
Well, they passed. 

2179
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,480
The new marchers arrangement 
worked out pretty well. 

2180
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:44,400
The Karen's and the Dondarians 
worked together. 

2181
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:48,520
Whatever enmity may have existed
from before. 

2182
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:50,760
The Carons were probably on the 
black side. 

2183
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:53,280
Dondarians were on the Reds, 
given they were married into the

2184
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,680
royal family, so that seems to 
have been set aside. 

2185
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:00,320
That's good evidence of them 
working together is a sign of 

2186
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,160
things to come. 
If there had been a split over 

2187
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:05,160
anything before this, this 
mended that. 

2188
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:09,640
Speaking of that moment was 
Duncan and Baylor and the joust.

2189
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,960
In the hedge night, we learned. 
That dunks former master Sir 

2190
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:16,720
Arlen, once ousted against 
Baylor and broke 4 lances. 

2191
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,080
Arlen says 7. 
Baylor's like, no, it's 4. 

2192
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:22,000
But don't feel bad, you know, 
you're mad. 

2193
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:25,800
He's just, again, just phrases 
the other guy says no, I don't 

2194
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:27,760
think less of him. 
You know, maybe it was just his 

2195
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,040
memory. 
You know, everyone exaggerates 

2196
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,920
here and there. 
Always being like that, being a 

2197
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:35,360
friendly, being gentle, being 
graceful. 

2198
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:38,320
Sir Arlen had nothing but a good
thing to say about Baylor. 

2199
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:42,200
It seems to be a widespread 
opinion, not just from him. 

2200
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,120
Dunk learned it directly from 
someone who had met him. 

2201
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:46,560
But just the realm, I mean 
everywhere. 

2202
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,040
People just respect him, love 
him. 

2203
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,360
Like expect great things from 
him. 

2204
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:54,640
His charm and his understanding 
of people, his way to handle 

2205
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,000
people, way to talk to people. 
Everyone feels like they're in 

2206
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,320
good hands with him, feel like 
he's going to make respectful, 

2207
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,240
well considered decisions. 
If he makes a decision you don't

2208
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:05,960
agree with, well, it's a lot 
easier coming from someone you 

2209
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:08,560
respect, someone you think, 
well, he's probably not doing it

2210
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:11,240
for underhanded political 
reasons, probably not doing it 

2211
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:13,600
for personal gain. 
You can at least take stock in 

2212
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,240
that when you disagree, that 
means a lot. 

2213
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:19,160
It's hard to accept decisions 
you don't agree with from 

2214
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,960
someone you hate because you 
just, it's hard to not have your

2215
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:25,200
mind go to think the worst about
them and think, well, they're 

2216
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:28,080
doing it for underhanded 
reasons, unethical reasons. 

2217
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,480
But if it's someone you respect,
you can kind of sit back and go,

2218
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:32,320
all right, I don't like that 
decision. 

2219
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,920
I disagree with him, but I 
respect the man who made it. 

2220
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:37,040
I respect the woman who made it,
whoever the person is that we're

2221
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:39,720
discussing. 
And it just makes it a lot 

2222
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:41,040
easier. 
And Baylor and that's that's 

2223
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:44,960
that's something that's part of 
why having such a respected, 

2224
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:48,480
even handed person at the top 
can have such a trickle down 

2225
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:51,800
effect is that it's harder to 
argue with what happens. 

2226
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:53,160
It's harder to argue with their 
decisions. 

2227
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:56,120
You just have more respect for 
what comes down from that. 

2228
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:59,360
Like it's really hard for anyone
to have authority over us. 

2229
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,360
Like we all, we don't want 
people making decisions for us. 

2230
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:04,320
But when those decisions come 
from people who are at least 

2231
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:10,200
wise, at least seem decent, it's
so much easier to accept that, 

2232
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:11,440
especially when you disagree 
with it. 

2233
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:14,360
So it's it's really important to
see that that's what the realm 

2234
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:17,480
is looking forward to. 
Sometimes you'll disagree with 

2235
01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:20,000
something that you wouldn't have
otherwise just. 

2236
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,040
Because you dislike the person 
deciding it so much. 

2237
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:25,000
Yeah, you're right, and you 
might even learn, especially if 

2238
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:28,200
it's close in any way then. 
It's becomes really easy to like

2239
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:30,480
become against. 
Something that maybe you didn't 

2240
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:33,240
care that much about, but you 
care about the person deciding 

2241
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:35,040
and it's hard for you to come 
back around on that. 

2242
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,200
Be like, OK, I was wrong. 
That person I hated, their 

2243
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:38,360
decision was. 
Actually good. 

2244
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,600
But if you but if you turn that,
invert that and say, OK, I 

2245
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,680
didn't agree with this decision 
from this person I respected 

2246
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:46,760
five years later, you know what?
That was a good call on their 

2247
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:47,720
part. 
Like they were right. 

2248
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,280
You know, it's hard. 
It's a lot harder to admit that 

2249
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,440
with someone you hate. 
But if you respect the person, 

2250
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:53,440
it's it's a lot easier. 
Like, OK, they were right about 

2251
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:55,720
that. 
Or maybe maybe you, maybe you 

2252
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:58,120
throw in a caveat. 
OK, they may have been right. 

2253
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:00,120
Like you don't fully admit that 
you were wrong. 

2254
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,160
Some people just hate admitting 
they're wrong so much that they 

2255
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:03,640
won't do it. 
But but but it's a lot more 

2256
01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:07,440
likely to come when the person 
you're admitting that to is 

2257
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,080
someone you respect, especially 
since you're not saying it to 

2258
01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:10,120
their face. 
You're admitting it to your 

2259
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:13,480
friends. 
You know, I know they're maybe a

2260
01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:15,600
more positive angle to look at 
that too. 

2261
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,800
Is it? 
You might be more gung ho about 

2262
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,520
a decision than maybe you're on 
an offensive ballot. 

2263
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:23,560
If you respect the person that 
made it right, you win people 

2264
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:26,720
over more easily If it's close 
or they might change your mind. 

2265
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:27,560
Yeah, they might. 
Actually. 

2266
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:30,040
You might respect them enough 
that their point. 

2267
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,920
Flips your opinion entirely, 
which is, yeah, that's hard to 

2268
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:36,240
do. 
So another reason for Arlen to 

2269
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:37,640
just have praised Baylor so 
much. 

2270
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:39,120
This is kind of an under the 
radar thing. 

2271
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:40,640
Look, you know what happens at a
joust? 

2272
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:43,560
You lose a joust, you lose your 
stuff, they get your arms and 

2273
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,240
armor. 
Baylor was like, Nah, you can 

2274
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:47,160
keep your stuff, you have it 
back. 

2275
01:50:47,160 --> 01:50:50,000
I'm the Crown Prince. 
I've got all the suits of armor 

2276
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,640
and coin I need. 
Just have it be enough. 

2277
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,360
You got this far. 
Take that, You know, So that 

2278
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,840
would be something that Arlen 
would have probably brought up, 

2279
01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:59,800
one of many things he praised 
Baylor over. 

2280
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,160
And other people too, by the 
way. 

2281
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:04,800
Yeah, other people would have 
been aware he did that for. 

2282
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:06,120
Arlen. 
Arlen is probably not the only 

2283
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:07,720
one he did that for. 
It would have added more and 

2284
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:11,600
more to his his clout, his 
honor, his generosity or 

2285
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:12,440
persona. 
Yeah. 

2286
01:51:12,440 --> 01:51:14,120
You know, like, yeah, it's like 
a snowball effect. 

2287
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:16,080
The system. 
The more good things, the more 

2288
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,160
these good things pile. 
On and the more you expect more 

2289
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:23,120
good things as well yeah, like 
the more unknowns you frame 

2290
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,680
positively because all the 
things you do know are so 

2291
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:27,920
positive. 
Stands to reason that the other 

2292
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:31,200
things I don't know about this 
person are also good yeah. 

2293
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:33,480
And it would help it come from 
different angles too, because 

2294
01:51:33,480 --> 01:51:35,640
probably other Lords, other 
people. 

2295
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:39,360
The wealthy Lords, it might be 
in court with Baylor, they might

2296
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,800
not know or chair if you let 
some knight have his armor back,

2297
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:44,840
but all the Knights would know, 
all the Squires would know all 

2298
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:47,520
the hedge Knights, all the all 
the commoners, all the people 

2299
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,040
running a food booths, whatever.
He would get, you know, 

2300
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:51,760
appreciation from the common 
people. 

2301
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:53,680
They like the snail Knight for 
sure would know. 

2302
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:55,800
He's like, well, that guy, he 
goes to every tournament, you 

2303
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:58,640
know? 
Oh yeah, Baylor always gives the

2304
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:00,400
armor back. 
You know, he never takes the 

2305
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,240
ransoms. 
Yeah, that would spread. 

2306
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:04,360
And that's an interesting thing.
And this was brought up my next 

2307
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:07,600
point, which is it's interesting
that he was still jousting while

2308
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,640
he was handed to King. 
It's not we It's not like 

2309
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:12,760
unheard of, but it's a little 
unusual. 

2310
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,880
Ena says it's a really good way 
to continue to undermine the 

2311
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:18,600
idea that Damon Blackfyre's 
faction was the heart and soul 

2312
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:20,600
of chivalry. 
This guy constantly reminding 

2313
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,480
people of what a good guy he is 
and how capable he's like. 

2314
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:26,280
He keeps winning and he keeps 
giving the stuff back. 

2315
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:28,000
It's a constant reminder of 
that. 

2316
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:29,280
Yeah, that's. 
That's a really good way to just

2317
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,480
keep that going. 
Like, people won't forget what a

2318
01:52:31,480 --> 01:52:35,440
good man this is. 
And he wasn't, but he didn't 

2319
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:36,760
show up to joust at Ashford 
Beto. 

2320
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:40,400
So maybe he he he'd maybe 
retired from it by that point. 

2321
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:42,320
Because we don't know in this 
thing what Sir Arlen was. 

2322
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,840
It may have been 20 years prior 
to the hedge night. 

2323
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:46,400
It was. 
We have no idea. 

2324
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:48,840
Yeah. 
All we know is that had to have 

2325
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:53,480
been before Dunk was born, 
because it was before Dunk was 

2326
01:52:53,480 --> 01:52:55,480
because of Dunk. 
No, Arlen's dead now and all 

2327
01:52:55,480 --> 01:52:58,160
that. 
All right, so our last section 

2328
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,200
is the actual hedge night. 
The the only time we really get 

2329
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:04,680
to see Baylor up close. 
And this is something that we 

2330
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:08,200
that sets him apart as well. 
Not just his look, not just his 

2331
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:10,440
character. 
We've seen egg. 

2332
01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:14,440
We've seen dare on the drunkard.
We've seen Aryan, Makar, Eamon 

2333
01:53:14,440 --> 01:53:17,360
as well, although Eamon we see 
in a song of Ice and Fire, not 

2334
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:19,840
these older stories that we 
probably will at some point. 

2335
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:23,520
And Bloodraven, we've seen all 
those characters in the three 

2336
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,600
Hedge Night novels or the three 
Sword Night and seven King of 

2337
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:28,240
novels. 
We never see better steel. 

2338
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:30,800
We never see Damon Blackfire, we
never see Chiara, we never see 

2339
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:33,560
Fireball Dare on the second Egg 
on the 4th. 

2340
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:37,880
Elena Dana Reyna Baylor is not 
only on screen, he's on screen 

2341
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:41,600
quite a bit more than any of 
those listed except Egg. 

2342
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:45,200
Egg's the only one of those guys
that's on screen more than 

2343
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:46,600
Baylor. 
And even though Baylor's only in

2344
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,000
this one store, I mean, 
obviously Dunk is on more, but 

2345
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:51,680
he's on a Targaryen only. 
Maester Eamon maybe is more 

2346
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:54,240
because he's in the Song of Ice 
and Fire, but that's much later 

2347
01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:59,040
and detached from this timeline.
So this is our best sorceress 

2348
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:02,120
personality. 
It really shows why he's so 

2349
01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:05,000
Shiv. 
I mean, he displays it front and

2350
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:08,720
center, but he's also clever, 
almost underhanded, like he does

2351
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:10,520
sneaky things, which I think 
that's cool. 

2352
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:15,320
I really like that because he 
uses his he uses underhanded 

2353
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,480
tricky things, but for good, 
right? 

2354
01:54:17,480 --> 01:54:21,440
He uses it to to win in a trial 
that he thinks he's on the right

2355
01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:23,680
side of like it's the just side 
that he's championing. 

2356
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:27,400
And I wonder if he just, he 
really wanted to beat Aryan 

2357
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,200
because Aryan sucks. 
And he's like, I want to sit 

2358
01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:33,000
this kid back, you know, it's 
like, Aryan sucks. 

2359
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:34,440
We need to teach this kid a 
lesson. 

2360
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:35,880
I need to teach my brother's 
son. 

2361
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,520
This is a good way to do it. 
I can't, like, tell him what to 

2362
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:40,760
do. 
But if I can embarrass him in 

2363
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:42,640
front of a lot of people, like 
he's doing it. 

2364
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:45,800
He says he's doing it to be 
because it's deserved. 

2365
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:47,000
It's justice. 
It's all this. 

2366
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,000
And I believe that. 
But there's also a chance to 

2367
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:52,040
knock Arian down a peg. 
Really needs that. 

2368
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:54,720
He's super arrogant, right? 
And I can see with Baylor seeing

2369
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:58,200
that, perceiving this as a way 
to do that in a way that might 

2370
01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:59,880
not otherwise be available to 
him. 

2371
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,080
You can have, I don't know, I 
said. 

2372
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:06,800
True, genuine. 
Positive goals for a decision 

2373
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:11,600
that also have some benefits to 
you incidentally, you know, or 

2374
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,440
some then that's maybe even more
cynical than what we're 

2375
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:17,080
describing this decision with, 
you know, trying to teach Arian 

2376
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:19,160
a lesson also. 
And so the and with the trick 

2377
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:21,760
with the lances, he says, let's 
use tournament lances because 

2378
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,400
they're. 
Longer and we can hit our our 

2379
01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,800
hit them before they hit us. 
It's dangerous. 

2380
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:30,560
And and the laugh laughing 
storms like is that chivalrous, 

2381
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:31,960
my Lord? 
And he's like, the gods will let

2382
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,600
us know. 
I guess they maybe they did. 

2383
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:38,160
But that's one of my favorite 
lines in the whole works 

2384
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:38,880
through. 
George Martin. 

2385
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:39,480
Yeah. 
And he? 

2386
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,000
Not that I don't think Baylor 
was good. 

2387
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,080
Obviously I've been sick going 
on and I like this whole 

2388
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:43,640
episode. 
I'm talking. 

2389
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:45,280
About how good he was, but I 
appreciate it. 

2390
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:48,800
He's not a goody 2 shoes like 
he's he's virtuous, but he's not

2391
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:52,680
like, oh, we can't do anything 
remotely underhanded. 

2392
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,840
No, we can do underhanded things
if it's in the cause of good. 

2393
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:58,040
So yeah, he he's a little 
willing to get his hands dirty. 

2394
01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:01,000
He just a little careful about 
when he does it, who he tells, 

2395
01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:08,000
how public it is. 
I mean, he accepted Dunk. 

2396
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,560
He's like, I accept you as a 
knight. 

2397
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:12,120
Like he took him at his word as 
well. 

2398
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:15,480
Like you can enter the lists. 
I'd vouch for you, right when no

2399
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:18,160
one else would. 
And there's no proof you were 

2400
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:20,560
knighted. 
But I believe I know who your 

2401
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,440
master was. 
He seemed like a good guy. 

2402
01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:24,720
He, you know, I he's 
representing what a knight 

2403
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:27,760
should be. 
Yes, and that's more important 

2404
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:29,120
to Baylor. 
And maybe should be more 

2405
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:31,000
important to everyone. 
Than the details. 

2406
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:34,160
Of some ceremony, yeah, Nina 
suggests. 

2407
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,240
It's quite possible that you 
know Makar offers to take dunk. 

2408
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:39,800
On after the tourney because his
son is like really into him and 

2409
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:42,240
he's like you acquitted yourself
well, my son wants you to be his

2410
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:44,520
his teeter, his teeter, his 
teacher. 

2411
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:47,440
And I was trying to combine the 
word tutor and teacher there. 

2412
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:50,520
But if Baylor hadn't died, maybe
he would have brought dunk on. 

2413
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:52,480
He's like you are a good man. 
You're a good knight. 

2414
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,680
You're the kind of night I went 
on my side. 

2415
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:57,680
You and I have same virtues. 
I think that's an entirely 

2416
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,080
possible. 
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. 

2417
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:00,480
I'm. 
Although more likely he would 

2418
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:02,440
have stuck with Egg, and Egg 
would stick with his father. 

2419
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,200
But still, Daylor would have 
offered, I think, to bring him 

2420
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:06,400
in. 
And like, you're you're a good 

2421
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,080
guy. 
We could use more men like you. 

2422
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:14,840
So as of this recording, it's 
June. 2023 it's still a long way

2423
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:17,520
away from. 
HB OS version of the Hedge 

2424
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,400
Night. 
But this has a lot of potential 

2425
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:22,280
to jerk some tears, especially 
Baylor's part of the story, 

2426
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:23,840
right? 
I mean seriously. 

2427
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:27,200
And one thing nice about Baylor 
is there probably won't be any 

2428
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:30,640
complaint about Targaryen wigs 
in his case because people 

2429
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:33,640
always complain about the wigs. 
Although Aryan and Makar, 

2430
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:35,920
they'll they'll be able to focus
on those two instead. 

2431
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:39,040
Those guys will be there. 
Not Egg though. 

2432
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:41,560
No wig for him. 
Maybe a bald cap. 

2433
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:44,680
No, they'll shave his head. 
The actor who plays Baylor can 

2434
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:46,520
use his real hair. 
Is is my point. 

2435
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:49,200
Probably. 
They might as well give him a 

2436
01:57:49,200 --> 01:57:52,560
wig anyway, but you never know. 
Yeah, you really do never know. 

2437
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:55,760
Just look at Jace Valarian and 
his. 

2438
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,480
Awful, awful wig. 
Yeah, that is not his real hair.

2439
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:01,960
Yeah, so he has Gray hair, but 
it looks more real because. 

2440
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:03,680
It's brown like you're like, 
that's. 

2441
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:05,080
Clearly can't be your. 
Real hair. 

2442
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:06,600
It looks silvery like that, you 
know. 

2443
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:12,480
OK, so let's have Baylor's 
epitaph such that it is well 

2444
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:17,080
written and glorious. 
Baylor of House Targaryen, 

2445
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:20,960
Prince of Dragonstone, Hand. 
Of the King, Protector of the 

2446
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:25,480
Realm and heir apparent to the 
Iron Throne of the Seven Kings. 

2447
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:30,760
Westeros went to the fire in the
yard of Ashford Castle on the 

2448
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:36,280
north Bank of River Cockleswent.
Other great houses might choose 

2449
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:40,480
to bury their dead in the dark 
earth or sink them in the cold 

2450
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:45,240
green sea, but the Targaryens 
were the blood of the dragon, 

2451
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:48,480
and their ends were writ in 
flame. 

2452
01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:53,600
He had been the finest knight of
his age, and some argued that he

2453
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:57,720
should have gone to face the 
dark Plaid in nail and plate, a 

2454
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:01,480
sword in his hand. 
In the end, though, his royal 

2455
01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:05,760
father's wishes prevailed, and 
Daron too had a peaceable 

2456
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:07,720
nature. 
Had a peaceable nature. 

2457
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:14,000
When Dunk shuffled past Baylor's
beer, the Prince wore a black 

2458
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:18,320
velvet tunic with the three 
headed dragon picked out in 

2459
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:23,760
scarlet bread upon his breast. 
Around his throat was a heavy 

2460
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:27,040
gold chain. 
His sword was sheathed by his 

2461
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:32,240
side, but he did wear a helm, a 
thin golden helm with an open 

2462
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:38,680
visor so men could see his face.
Yeah, that's a great quote, 

2463
01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:40,880
great epitaph. 
Few characters have. 

2464
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:43,680
Epitaphs like that in The Song 
of Ice and Fire, because we 

2465
01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:46,160
don't see their funerals that 
die in battle and stuff happens 

2466
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:48,960
off screen or whatever. 
You know, even Ned Stark didn't 

2467
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:51,600
get something like that, 
although he would have been a 

2468
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:53,160
candidate to deserve something 
like that. 

2469
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:57,520
There's a few people that remind
me of Baylor Rainey's daughter 

2470
01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:00,520
of Elia and Rhaegar, who was 
also murdered well before her 

2471
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:04,200
time, well before Baylor's time 
as well, but well at Baylor's 

2472
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:07,600
age, I mean, well after Baylor's
time, because she also looked 

2473
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,800
Dornish. 
She was a Targaryen Princess who

2474
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:13,240
looked more Dornish and out of 
one of each in terms of their 

2475
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:16,320
parents, Elia and Rhaegar. 
And she loved cats. 

2476
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,760
Maybe Baylor loved cats too. 
Maybe they had that in common as

2477
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:20,440
well. 
Not of course. 

2478
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:22,080
Maybe. 
What do you mean of course? 

2479
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:24,480
Not to mention Rhaegar. 
Himself. 

2480
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:26,360
There's parallels there, Rhaegar
looked. 

2481
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:30,400
Targaryen, but he was considered
like a great Prince. 

2482
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,360
A lot of people liked him. 
People look forward to him 

2483
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:35,520
ruling. 
And he was also, you know, he's 

2484
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:39,040
not Dornish himself, but he had 
Dornish marriage. 

2485
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:40,880
So maybe he's a, he's a little 
more, maybe in some ways a 

2486
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,720
little more similar to Deron 
Baylor's father, but in a lot of

2487
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:47,000
ways similar to Baylor himself. 
Couple of real life comparisons,

2488
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:51,640
Edward the Black Prince who is 
the eldest son of a king who's 

2489
02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:53,120
I'm forgetting who his father 
was. 

2490
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:55,520
Which father was that anyway 
someone remind me in the chat 

2491
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:58,640
there he was this He was a much 
the son of a long reigning king 

2492
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:01,160
and was very admired himself. 
He was very looked for. 

2493
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:03,560
People really look forward to 
Edward the Black Prince ruling. 

2494
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:05,840
Despite his name he was well 
regarded. 

2495
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:09,120
I was like whoa that guy sounds 
dangerous now. 

2496
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:11,200
He was a Great War. 
That was part of why he had that

2497
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:13,800
nickname. 
He was also considered the model

2498
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:17,320
of chivalry. 
He adapted the badge of the 

2499
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:18,840
Prince of Wales. 
Have your answer. 

2500
02:01:19,000 --> 02:01:20,560
Edward 3, Edward the 3rd. 
That's right. 

2501
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:22,520
OK, I was like Edward. 
I can't remember the number. 

2502
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:24,200
I thought it was the 1st or the 
4th so. 

2503
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:29,240
I was way off, well off by one 
or two and he also died right 

2504
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:31,720
before his fought. 
So it was kind of like which is 

2505
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:32,800
exactly what happened with 
Baylor. 

2506
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,240
Baylor died like months before 
or dare on the second. 

2507
02:01:36,360 --> 02:01:39,360
A lot of parallels there. 
As we discussed in our Dunkin 

2508
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:42,640
Egg series in the Hedge Night, 
we discussed how Baylor also has

2509
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:47,000
a lot in common with JFK, who 
died when George was around 15. 

2510
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:48,800
So it would have been a very 
important living in a Roman 

2511
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:52,200
Catholic household in New 
England where JFK would have 

2512
02:01:52,200 --> 02:01:54,720
been very popular. 
His death was untimely and 

2513
02:01:55,480 --> 02:01:59,160
similar entry wound back of the 
head where's where they're both.

2514
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:01,360
So we talked about that in a 
little more detail in the Hedge 

2515
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:03,320
Night series. 
So I recommend that as well, 

2516
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:06,400
amongst other episodes that 
relate to this one. 

2517
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:09,680
His legacy is substantial, in 
part because he died with so 

2518
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:12,200
much promise, and that's part of
what makes it so painful. 

2519
02:02:12,200 --> 02:02:13,760
That's a promise that can never 
be fulfilled. 

2520
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:17,200
But what if questions will never
be answered, and you can only 

2521
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:22,200
wonder at what might have been? 
This quote really speaks to 

2522
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:24,400
that. 
Perhaps he should have hated 

2523
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,280
Makar, but instead he felt a 
queer sympathy for the man. 

2524
02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:30,200
You swung the Mace, my Lord, but
it was for me. 

2525
02:02:30,200 --> 02:02:32,600
Prince Baillor died, so I killed
him too. 

2526
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:34,600
As much as you. 
Yes. 

2527
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:37,480
The Prince admitted. 
You'll hear them whisper as 

2528
02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:40,680
well. 
The king is old when he died. 

2529
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:44,360
Valar will climb the Iron Throne
in place of his father. 

2530
02:02:44,680 --> 02:02:48,320
Each time a battle is lost or a 
crop fails. 

2531
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:52,640
The fools will say Baylor would 
not have let it happen, but the 

2532
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:55,720
hedge knight killed him. 
Dunk could see the truth in 

2533
02:02:55,720 --> 02:02:58,440
that. 
And indeed though Valar never. 

2534
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:00,880
Climbed the throne. 
The realm did suffer. 

2535
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:04,440
Many woes, the great spring 
sickness, A drought. 

2536
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:09,080
And from what we know, many did 
wonder or exclaim their lamented

2537
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:11,120
Baylor's death, especially 
during some of those things. 

2538
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,360
And that's the problem with if 
so and so hadn't died. 

2539
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:16,280
You can never prove it right? 
It's the same kind of the same 

2540
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:17,920
thing. 
I was just saying, entering the 

2541
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:20,280
section where that promise can 
never be known. 

2542
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:21,560
Those questions can never be 
answered. 

2543
02:03:21,560 --> 02:03:22,680
You don't know. 
You can still know. 

2544
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:24,680
It would have been better, 
Probably would have. 

2545
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:26,360
He probably would have been a 
good king. 

2546
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:28,120
But who knows? 
He might have been the best King

2547
02:03:28,120 --> 02:03:30,080
Lesteros ever saw, but how could
he? 

2548
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:33,200
But he can't stop the drought, 
probably like he couldn't have 

2549
02:03:33,200 --> 02:03:34,680
stopped the Great Spring 
Sickness. 

2550
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:36,160
Maybe he would have managed it a
little better. 

2551
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:39,400
Maybe the casualties would have 
been reduced by 5 or 10% under 

2552
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:42,600
his reign. 
But maybe he would have just 

2553
02:03:42,600 --> 02:03:47,320
died against Dagan Greyjoy's 
Reavers instead of dying of an 

2554
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:49,440
tournament mishap. 
It's, you know, there's this. 

2555
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:53,200
The What If just launches so 
many other what ifs, but I still

2556
02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:55,120
find it compelling. 
It's still a worthy question, 

2557
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:57,720
but we have to acknowledge how 
unanswerable it is. 

2558
02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:01,080
But it's still also relevant to 
see just how big a question it 

2559
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:02,920
was. 
In Westeros we can say that. 

2560
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:07,760
But in Westeros at the time, the
laments, the tears would have 

2561
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:10,920
been big and many and and would 
have continued. 

2562
02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:13,760
Some would have seen his death 
as will of the gods, though 

2563
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:17,000
maybe as finally the gods have 
their will. 

2564
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:19,440
You know, like the gods will 
show us if this is chivalrous or

2565
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:22,120
not. 
You know, maybe finally, Damon's

2566
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:27,880
revenge from beyond the grave. 
Chiara and Valar's twin sons 

2567
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:30,160
were stillborn. 
I forgot to mention that and 

2568
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:32,480
that may have been. 
Further judgement of the gods as

2569
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:36,360
seen by the Commons. 
And then of course the spring 

2570
02:04:36,360 --> 02:04:40,520
sickness, killing Deron and 
Valar and Mataris but sparing 

2571
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:44,360
Chiara somehow. 
So it does seem very specific. 

2572
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:48,160
The the disease did hit an awful
lot of Targaryens, a lot of 

2573
02:04:48,160 --> 02:04:50,320
crucial Targaryens. 
So if you're a Black Fire 

2574
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:53,240
loyalist who blame the 
Targaryens for slaying Damon, 

2575
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:55,880
doing against the will of the 
gods with that evil blood Raven,

2576
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:59,720
using sorcery, and using things 
outside of the purview of the 

2577
02:04:59,720 --> 02:05:02,720
Seven, no wonder they're getting
their just desserts now. 

2578
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:05,440
Pretty easy to see how 
superstitious people could frame

2579
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:07,760
that to their within their own 
worldview. 

2580
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:11,480
I mean, four more Black Fire 
rebellions did occur later after

2581
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:14,800
all, whether the gods or not had
anything to do with it. 

2582
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:17,040
The death of Baylor did open the
door for that. 

2583
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:19,680
Like if he had survived, I 
wonder like he does the second 

2584
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:22,080
black fire brilliant even get 
started If Baylor breaks, Pier 

2585
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:24,800
is still handed to King. 
I don't know, maybe not. 

2586
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:26,120
They might have been more wary 
of that. 

2587
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:28,480
They still tried it under 
Bloodraven and he's obviously 

2588
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:31,360
capable and and formidable, so 
it quite possibly still would 

2589
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:34,960
have gone the same way. 
Now, Makar wasn't just marked as

2590
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:37,960
a kinslayer, but as a. 
Kinslayer of such a beloved. 

2591
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:40,680
Figure, it's one thing to kill 
like your evil twin brother or 

2592
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:43,280
your evil brother, you know, 
especially via accident. 

2593
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:44,840
But this was just such a beloved
figure. 

2594
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:48,720
And yeah, as that quote said, 
Makar knew he would carry it for

2595
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,520
the rest of his life and 
realized it's so a dunk. 

2596
02:05:52,040 --> 02:05:54,000
Now I'm, I'm a little less 
concerned with Makar at the 

2597
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:56,720
moment. 
But when we talk about Makar, 

2598
02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:59,120
we'll, we'll wonder about that 
and wonder, like, how did that 

2599
02:05:59,120 --> 02:06:00,520
weigh on him throughout his 
life? 

2600
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:02,200
And how often did he think of 
Baylor? 

2601
02:06:03,080 --> 02:06:06,720
Dunk will be seeing in his head 
for sure in future stories. 

2602
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:09,720
So we may never get a lot as 
much in more insight on Makar, 

2603
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:12,520
but Dunk we will. 
How motivating will it be for 

2604
02:06:12,520 --> 02:06:18,520
him in the future to do right by
the realm because he was left 

2605
02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:19,680
alive? 
He he thinks about that. 

2606
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:22,440
He's like, well, maybe there 
will be a day when the realm 

2607
02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:26,520
needs me for something. 
Maybe that's why Baylor is dead 

2608
02:06:26,520 --> 02:06:27,800
and I'm alive, you know? 
And he want. 

2609
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:28,920
But he wants to be worthy of 
that. 

2610
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:30,640
He wants to. 
He wants that to come true. 

2611
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:32,800
He wants for that outcome to be 
correct. 

2612
02:06:33,080 --> 02:06:37,800
He doesn't want to have cost the
realm such a great person for no

2613
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:39,880
good reason at all. 
He's like, just so I could live 

2614
02:06:39,880 --> 02:06:42,280
that that's empty for him. 
He's like, no, it has to be for 

2615
02:06:42,280 --> 02:06:45,720
some greater purpose. 
Nina writes him saving baby 

2616
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:48,480
Rhaegar at Summerhall. 
Yeah, well, he was probably 

2617
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:50,200
thinking about it then. 
Although that might have just as

2618
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:52,400
easily been like, I'm trying to 
save a baby from the fire. 

2619
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:55,600
Targaryens and Princess may not 
have entered in it that much, 

2620
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:59,200
but it very likely would have. 
I mean, like during his whole 

2621
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:02,200
career, like his whole life, How
often is he thinking of Baylor? 

2622
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:06,120
Like, well, I should do right 
here to make up for Baylor, you 

2623
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:09,200
know, Baylor's death. 
If Baylor was here, I like, I'm 

2624
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:13,160
the reason he's dead. 
I should carry his that chivalry

2625
02:07:13,160 --> 02:07:16,120
form if he's living his whole 
life that way, of course. 

2626
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:19,440
Some of the things he does are 
going to be, you know, minor 

2627
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:21,840
acts of kindness at A 
tournaments, but some of them 

2628
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:24,120
are going to be save the Prince.
You know, he's just if he's 

2629
02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:28,880
always trying to do these grand 
and generous and brave things, 

2630
02:07:29,200 --> 02:07:30,960
Nina says he needs to. 
He's trying to earn it, which I 

2631
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:32,400
think a threat to trying to earn
that. 

2632
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:34,480
Yeah, whatever the. 
The gods did this. 

2633
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:35,800
He's trying to live up to it, 
earn it. 

2634
02:07:35,800 --> 02:07:37,200
Yeah, that's that's a good way 
to put it. 

2635
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:41,000
And one of the last lines in the
hedge nut is Dunk reminding 

2636
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:43,800
Makar, quote, just before Prince
Baylor died. 

2637
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:47,040
I swore to be his man. 
Yeah. 

2638
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:50,160
He's not going to forget the 
promise he made to a dying 

2639
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:53,120
noble, chivalrous Prince, the 
greatest knight in the realm, 

2640
02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:55,120
the one that he's going to. 
I mean, he's going to be the 

2641
02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:56,520
greatest knight in the realm at 
some point. 

2642
02:07:56,520 --> 02:08:00,200
So he's going to think of that. 
He's like, oh, I, I took I got 

2643
02:08:00,200 --> 02:08:02,960
this title, the title that 
Baylor once he's told he's going

2644
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:05,400
to make him really proud and 
maybe a little unworthy of it. 

2645
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:07,280
Be like, like, have I lived up 
to this? 

2646
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:09,280
I got to keep keep earning this.
I got to. 

2647
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:12,640
I can't rest on my laurels. 
He also says he can't look at 

2648
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:15,040
the scar he got from Aryan's 
Lance without thinking of 

2649
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:16,800
Baylor. 
That scar's not going anywhere, 

2650
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:18,600
y'all. 
He'll have that scar the rest of

2651
02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:20,000
his life. 
Every time he looks out to see 

2652
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:21,120
that scar, he's going to see 
Baylor. 

2653
02:08:21,120 --> 02:08:23,240
He's going to think about it and
think of what a great man he was

2654
02:08:23,240 --> 02:08:26,760
and how he's there instead of 
him and remember maybe the 

2655
02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:29,880
finest moment what happens? 
Dunk is standing before the 

2656
02:08:29,880 --> 02:08:32,880
crowd, trying to get that 
seventh person to join him for 

2657
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:34,880
the trial by combat. 
If he doesn't get a 7th person, 

2658
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:38,840
he's judged guilty. 
What does he say in all caps in 

2659
02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:41,240
front of that crowd? 
Are there no true Knights among 

2660
02:08:41,240 --> 02:08:42,840
you? 
Powerful moment, right? 

2661
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:47,440
Baylor emerges from the mist. 
He didn't answer the call then. 

2662
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:49,440
He'd already answered it. 
He was already dressed. 

2663
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:52,200
He didn't just instantly put his
armor on in three seconds. 

2664
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:54,040
No, he had already answered that
call. 

2665
02:08:54,280 --> 02:08:57,240
He was already doing what a true
knight should do before Dunk 

2666
02:08:57,240 --> 02:09:00,520
asked for it. 
He just made his entrance in a 

2667
02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:03,440
very he understands how to make 
an entrance like this guy. 

2668
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:06,000
You know, he's like, well, may 
as well have a little fanfare 

2669
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:07,720
with it. 
Like I know I'll maximize this 

2670
02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:11,440
moment. 
Without that moment, there's no 

2671
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:14,440
Dunk living his life by these 
values, right? 

2672
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:17,080
It doesn't come. 
It never happens. 

2673
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:18,920
So that means there's no Brienne
either, by the way. 

2674
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:22,880
So like this moment, Baylor 
birthed Dunk, birthed Brienne 

2675
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:26,520
and whatever other children Dunk
has out there or descendants, 

2676
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:29,400
all those kids, Baylor is their 
patron. 

2677
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:31,960
He's their true. 
He's their uncle, He's their 

2678
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:34,760
godfather. 
Yeah. 

2679
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:39,040
OK. 
Guilty, Undertaker says. 

2680
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,480
I could see people seeing the 
still birth of Valars and 

2681
02:09:41,480 --> 02:09:44,120
Chiara's twin sons as divine 
retribution for the death of 

2682
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:45,400
Damon Blackbar's sons on the 
record. 

2683
02:09:45,400 --> 02:09:47,880
Yes, absolutely. 
Nina said a similar thing. 

2684
02:09:48,360 --> 02:09:49,600
Totally see that. 
Yeah. 

2685
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:52,040
Like there, there are people who
would spin it that way and 

2686
02:09:52,040 --> 02:09:54,040
people would seize on that 
because they it wouldn't have 

2687
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:56,400
occurred to them necessarily. 
But once, once some St. preacher

2688
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:58,720
points it out, they're like 
that. 

2689
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:02,520
That's a good point right there.
Head cannon, you know, whatever.

2690
02:10:03,080 --> 02:10:06,280
Head cannon, Real world head 
cannon for what the gods think. 

2691
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:12,360
What is that? 
Karma cannon, God cannon, Heaven

2692
02:10:12,360 --> 02:10:14,960
cannon. 
Heaven cannon. 

2693
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:15,880
That's pretty close to head 
cannon. 

2694
02:10:18,160 --> 02:10:20,480
Next week we have the episode on
Pentas it Beat. 

2695
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:25,320
Out in the vote on Patreon. 
Asha Greyjoy A bestiary episode 

2696
02:10:25,320 --> 02:10:28,120
and House Ironwood. 
So it was pretty well contested.

2697
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:30,720
Asha Greyjoy I know I was a 
little surprised at that. 

2698
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:32,800
It was close. 
It was close they. 

2699
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:34,880
Got pentas, only got like 30. 2%
of the vote. 

2700
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,920
So yeah, it wasn't it wasn't 
quite as overwhelming as 

2701
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:41,440
Baylor's win. 
If that result outraged you, 

2702
02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,160
well then you should join 
Patreon. 

2703
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:46,520
And vote. 
That is, I think the argument 

2704
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:49,320
there if you don't like the 
outcome of our. 

2705
02:10:49,320 --> 02:10:52,520
Polls then. 
You should vote, I think only 

2706
02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:53,640
five. 
I think it would have only taken

2707
02:10:53,640 --> 02:10:57,440
about 5 or 6 votes to change. 
The poll to a different result 

2708
02:10:57,560 --> 02:11:02,080
so you Asha Greatjoy Stan that 
I'm talking to in the. 

2709
02:11:02,080 --> 02:11:05,840
Audience You could have signed 
up six times over, buy a 

2710
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:10,680
membership for yourself and five
friends and vote in the Asha 

2711
02:11:10,680 --> 02:11:12,840
block. 
The polls usually have a theme. 

2712
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:15,480
There's no theme there though. 
I was just like let's do 4 

2713
02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:17,440
random. 
Topics and completely 

2714
02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:21,320
unconnected to each other and 
that's what we did yeah. 

2715
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:24,800
So the trivia question the 
answer the the question was 

2716
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:31,040
about Baylor Black Tide Ironborn
Lord and worshipper of the seven

2717
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:33,520
cut into that many pieces by 
Euron. 

2718
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:38,640
What is the name of his ship? 
Answer is night flyer. 

2719
02:11:39,200 --> 02:11:42,360
Multiple people got that one and
you would guess people who were 

2720
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:45,880
able to guess it. 
Because, well, they know germs, 

2721
02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:48,920
other works, and Night Flyer was
a well known one because it was 

2722
02:11:48,920 --> 02:11:52,320
adapted to the screen. 
Yes, it was indeed adapted for 

2723
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:53,880
the screen. 
Only went one season and 

2724
02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:56,760
apparently wasn't very much. 
Like the book but the short 

2725
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:59,760
story is really good. 
I love George's like cosmic 

2726
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:01,440
world building is really on 
display. 

2727
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:04,640
I highly recommend Night Flyer 
or Night Flyers. 

2728
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:07,200
Yeah, plural. 
The short story the ship is is 

2729
02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:10,760
just a singular, but yeah, I 
wonder whose ship that is now 

2730
02:12:10,760 --> 02:12:12,160
because it's no longer Baylor 
Black Tie. 

2731
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:19,240
It's probably his son, but maybe
not other episodes that you 

2732
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:22,560
might want to peruse or re. 
Listen to if you've heard them. 

2733
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:24,640
Before that were related to 
topics we brought up here. 

2734
02:12:24,640 --> 02:12:26,840
Nymeria of course was brought 
up. 

2735
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:29,560
The Red Grass Field episode in 
particular, but all the other 

2736
02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:32,080
Black Fire rebellion episodes. 
Deron the Second would be a good

2737
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:34,840
one. 
Summer Hall of course, came up. 

2738
02:12:34,840 --> 02:12:37,360
Here we talk about Summer Hall 
in greater detail. 

2739
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:41,200
It's a double episode. 
Kriegan Stark is a very recent 

2740
02:12:41,200 --> 02:12:43,680
episode that that comes up in 
relation to Dorn and the 

2741
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:46,480
rebellions there. 
I would wondered if the North 

2742
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:49,520
would care about Dorn joining 
the realm. 

2743
02:12:49,960 --> 02:12:53,760
Well, they might because the war
with Dorn is where Kriegan's 

2744
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:57,560
heir was killed, so they might 
have some bad feeling over that 

2745
02:12:57,560 --> 02:12:59,080
too. 
Like we tried to conquer it, you

2746
02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:00,720
killed my son, and now we're 
just bringing them into the 

2747
02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:04,240
realm with better law, laws that
favor them over us. 

2748
02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:07,840
They might not care. 
Doran's so far away, but that 

2749
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:10,080
might bother them quite a bit. 
Some Northerners more than 

2750
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:11,760
others. 
Creagan was probably still alive

2751
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:13,960
when this happened, too. 
Very old guy that's still 

2752
02:13:13,960 --> 02:13:17,680
around, most likely. 
I in my mind, I'd like to think 

2753
02:13:17,680 --> 02:13:20,200
that, you know, there there's 
going to be a lot of different 

2754
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:21,440
people, a lot of different. 
Opinions. 

2755
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:25,240
But the couple of wise people 
who are most in charge, I hope 

2756
02:13:25,240 --> 02:13:28,120
they would recognize this is 
just like a bargaining chip. 

2757
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:30,400
We don't really care, but we're 
going to. 

2758
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:31,920
We're going to get what we can 
out of this. 

2759
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:34,080
We have some justifiable 
grievances. 

2760
02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:34,920
Morning. 
Good point. 

2761
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:37,720
Yeah, like false outrage to to 
gain something out of it. 

2762
02:13:37,720 --> 02:13:39,880
You can see the opportunity. 
To get a concession out of the 

2763
02:13:39,880 --> 02:13:42,680
Iron Throne over this grievance.
That's a good point. 

2764
02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:44,720
That's how a lot of how politics
works too. 

2765
02:13:44,720 --> 02:13:47,200
Yes. 
Also the episode of Dare on the 

2766
02:13:47,200 --> 02:13:48,840
1st and of course aiming the 
Dragon night. 

2767
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:51,800
Those were both referred to here
and are relevant, so you might 

2768
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:53,520
want to check those out if you 
haven't already. 

2769
02:13:54,200 --> 02:13:56,840
Thank you for attending live. 
If you did, thank you for 

2770
02:13:56,840 --> 02:13:59,320
listening later. 
If you're catching the edited 

2771
02:13:59,320 --> 02:14:02,160
version and if you're not 
listening, then screw you and 

2772
02:14:02,160 --> 02:14:04,160
I'm safe to say that 'cause 
you're not listening, you. 

2773
02:14:05,080 --> 02:14:06,560
Don't know what if they're 
watching? 

2774
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:10,320
Oh my gosh. 
Well, I'm they're also listening

2775
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:10,840
if they're. 
Watching. 

2776
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:12,560
If they're watching and not 
listening, they didn't hear you 

2777
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:13,720
say that. 
Yeah, exactly. 

2778
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:16,000
Also, that's weird. 
Why would you watch and not 

2779
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:19,000
listen? 
We're just really to see our 

2780
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:19,880
faces. 
We're not. 

2781
02:14:19,880 --> 02:14:21,400
I don't think we're handsome 
enough. 

2782
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:25,000
They're here for the T-shirts. 
That's right, Dragonstone 

2783
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:26,880
shirts. 
And you're Denver. 

2784
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:28,280
Denver. 
Dragonstone. 

2785
02:14:29,480 --> 02:14:31,200
What's your shirt? 
Shaya Dragonstone? 

2786
02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:35,080
Oh, I'm wearing a Tom Anderson 
shirt from King of. 

2787
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:37,080
Not. 
From Beavis and Butt Head. 

2788
02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:39,280
That's appropriate because of 
Sir Arlen. 

2789
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:42,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Tom. 
Anderson anyways. 

2790
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:43,920
Yeah. 
Arlen, Harlan. 

2791
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:47,640
But yeah, it's like a kind of 
trippy shirt with him. 

2792
02:14:47,640 --> 02:14:49,920
I wish I could show y'all, but 
yeah, it's got his face on it 

2793
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:52,120
three times. 
I got it at San Diego Comet. 

2794
02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:56,840
Yeah, I think Arlen, Texas and 
Arlen Sir Arlen are spelled. 

2795
02:14:56,840 --> 02:14:59,120
Differently ones AN and ones yen
that I'm not sure about. 

2796
02:14:59,120 --> 02:15:00,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Either way, whatever, it's close

2797
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:01,880
enough. 
They're they're different. 

2798
02:15:01,880 --> 02:15:03,320
They are different. 
King of the Hill. 

2799
02:15:03,320 --> 02:15:04,240
The Hill. 
West, Arlen. 

2800
02:15:04,240 --> 02:15:06,880
Isn't even Arlen. 
Mealy, it should be Harlot. 

2801
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:10,080
Town, as we all know. 
That's the correct real name of 

2802
02:15:10,200 --> 02:15:14,240
of Arlen, Texas harlot town. 
They they got rid of that 

2803
02:15:14,240 --> 02:15:17,120
influence or they tried too, but
we. 

2804
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:19,680
Know better. 
All right, folks, thanks again. 

2805
02:15:19,680 --> 02:15:22,480
Thanks to Nina for her 
invaluable notes, a lot of great

2806
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:26,360
takes, and that clarification on
Henry the Eighth, of course. 

2807
02:15:27,080 --> 02:15:30,840
Thanks to Joey, Jesse and Brand 
for the help with our theme 

2808
02:15:30,840 --> 02:15:35,400
music and our video intros and 
our music outro as well. 

2809
02:15:35,400 --> 02:15:39,240
Thanks to Michael Klarfeld for 
our also other video intro and 

2810
02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:42,800
the maps you see on display. 
Many episodes of Mystery 

2811
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:45,200
Westeros podcast. 
Check out claradox.de. 

2812
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:49,880
That's with AK to shop Michael's
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2813
02:15:50,360 --> 02:15:51,960
Lots of great. 
Things over there you can get. 

2814
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:55,120
Maps and other things and thanks
to our engineer. 

2815
02:15:55,120 --> 02:15:59,200
Shout out to him for our sound 
quality assistance and I love 

2816
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:00,960
shouting out him because his 
name is so good. 

2817
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:04,640
Engineer. 
Yes, his name is Ben and he is 

2818
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:08,680
an engineer, as you probably 
guessed, or you've heard me 

2819
02:16:08,680 --> 02:16:12,160
explain that before. 
Either way, I'm telling you 

2820
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:16,960
again and we'll see you next 
time for more. 

2821
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:18,640
You know what to do. 
In the meantime. 

2822
02:16:19,400 --> 02:16:21,400
Valar Reritus.