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Just from hearing, Prince aemon.
The dragonknight, you know, he's

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a big deal. 
I completely Fanboy doubt on 

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that name. 
The first time I saw it and it 

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appears very early on and then 
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And again, his name is badass 
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flashy at least in my opinion. 
But will As we'll see, badass is

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pretty accurate for him, and it 
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too much though, but I think 
it's kind of character that if 

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you were to make 12 of him, it 
would be unrealistic. 

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But if you have one, you know, 
ever and that's fine, you know, 

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it's like the, the Wayne Gretzky
of Knighthood or the LeBron 

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James of Knighthood or 
something, I don't know. 

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And the name suggests he's a 
great warrior just from the 

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sound of it which of course that
is accurate and prints that 

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sells you he's a Targaryen given
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least it implies that very 
strongly but not a king right? 

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It says vague but strongly 
positive things about his 

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personality to given one of the 
most beloved characters in A 

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Song of Ice and Fire maester 
aemon is named after him and 

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indeed though, maester aemon was
no Warrior will see that. 

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Did have a lot in common with 
his namesake in the personality 

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Department, Integrity skill and 
being dutiful. 

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Perhaps, most of all, this was a
Peerless Warrior who fought with

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a famous sword and will Regale. 
You with Tales of his duels 

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battles acts of Bravery of 
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compelling is, what happened 
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some of you fit may find his 
doomed, love for narrates in the

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shadow of their brother, aegon 
the Unworthy to be some of the 

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best stuff. 
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Targaryen and Westeros in 
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post draconic world and 
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they're dancing and dying had 
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But there was quite a lot of 
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well. 
And that is nothing new for 

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House Targaryen. 
All this and more on today's 

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episode of history of Westeros 
podcast. 

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Hello and welcome everyone back 
for another episode. 

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How's it going? 
Shawn you Are in Targaryen red 

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and black as Mi indeed. 
You know, let me this isn't 

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going to be a big topic. 
I don't know. 

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I don't think I mentioned. 
Yeah, but this is going to be 

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end up being two episodes, 
right? 

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Like this enough going on here. 
So given that and given my 

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relatively unsullied 
perspective, I'm going to ask a 

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couple upfront questioner I 
better one. 

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I imagine some of the folks out 
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they'll be a good place to start
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The time line is, I don't know, 
it's somewhere somewhere halfway

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between dance of dragons and 
Robert's Rebellion that know 

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it's about Closer to the dance. 
Here's where I can put it. 

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He's in every book, even Fire 
and Blood because he was born 

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right at the end of it. 
Like, he's barely an okay. 

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So he was born a few years after
the dance. 

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If I was like a generation after
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Several Generations. 
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Okay. 
So Robert everybody started and 

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about 282, 283. 
A man was born in 136 with dance

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end of the day, I'm 31. 
So yeah, it's a lot closer than 

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the blackfyre Rebellion. 
If you want another like time, 

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like point, First one was in 
196. 

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So that's more about the halfway
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Actually, we're still closer to 
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would be the third blackfyre 
Rebellion. 

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Maybe is more than halfway point
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My follow-up is, I don't know if
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beats to describe this 
character. 

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Why are we interested in him? 
Why is it big deal? 

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What are we going to talk about?
Like, I don't know. 

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He his expedition to Adorn his 
youthful success as a warrior. 

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He one of the youngest 
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Stir, those are all good. 
Also there another thing 

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highlight of his life that we're
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worth noting up front. 
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his the parallels to a lot of 
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or one of the big grabs here. 
He is compared tourist and Jamie

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absolutely Loris. 
Jamie or probably the best 

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comparisons, probably the best 
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like barristan maybe a little 
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Just all the Peerless Warriors 
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also a few other targaryens. 
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connection that Has makes a most
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Sister Sister? 
Is was it romantic? 

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Was it not? 
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What? 
I we just don't really know what

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was going on there and so it's 
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of fill in the gaps. 
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interesting to me. 
I think and it's something that 

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George introduces very early. 
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thoros of myr, we discussed a 
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bolted on later, which isn't a 
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I mean, the story grows in the 
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stuff. 
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that, but it's Maybe a little 
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character that was part of the 
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Haman. 
Clearly was so yeah, as Sean 

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We intended this to be one 
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the High Teens, this one was 
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Pretty clearly got outside the 
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see why there is so much talk 
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story feel because we can cover 
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Yes, there are gaps there 
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But they aren't large gaps. 
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but they aren't like large gaps 
of time where we just have no 

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idea. 
And that's great. 

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So shout out to our good friend,
you know, her blog. 

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Good. 
Queen Ali tumblr.com is an 

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excellent source. 
Of fun material and Analysis. 

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The latest blog post, she has 
over there is hey, on Prince 

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aemon, the dragonknight maester 
aemon, talking to John, about 

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the difference of Duty and love 
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It's a major theme of John story
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in general and well maester 
aemon is the guy that really 

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levels John up there teaches him
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and love is and how he knows 
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Targaryen and well All know that
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tested. 
So it's very relevant to today's

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story. 
A lot of Nina's thoughts are 

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already in the episode, but if 
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good. 
Queen Alia Bhatt tumblr.com, 

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this one was voted on by patrons
but it's 80. 

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T, git, T episode, which is the 
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It's such a long thing. 
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So to to get TT games next week 
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So the episode that folks voted 
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be in two weeks and I'll tell 
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the end. 
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some suggestions. 
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you're having a great time in 
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well, we'll give you some 
suggestions on how to jump to a 

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related topic and have fun with 
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And of course, you'll want to 
tune in next week for part 2 

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trivia question. 
Prince Edmund was one of the 

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youngest ever to wear the white 
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The same is true of loras 
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Lannister because Jamie was the 
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Ever to wear the white cloak. 
But who was the youngest, who 

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was even younger than Jamie to 
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younger than lorrison Damon as 
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Are you going to make people 
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The answer to the trivia 
questions and we'll have another

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trivia question next week who 
maester aemon is mentioned in 

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the prologue. 
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it's mainstream and not print 
aemon, the dragonknight, but his

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namesake does come brand to A 
Game of Thrones. 

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Here's the quote. 
The brand was going to be a 

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knight himself someday. 
One of the King's Guard old man,

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said they were the finest swords
in all the realm. 

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There were only seven of them 
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had no wives or children, but 
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brand new. 
All the stories, their names 

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were like music to him. 
Cerwyn of the mirror Shield, 

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sir, I am wed one, Prince aemon,
the dragonknight the twins are 

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arak and Sir, Eric when brother 
fought so Sir, in the war, the 

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singers called the dance of the 
Dragons. 

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The white bull Gerold, Hightower
Ser Arthur, Dayne. 

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The sword of the morning. 
Barristan the Bold, some of you 

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astute readers will note that, 
that quote was edited to remove 

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a spoiler from a stuffed Dragon 
for John's benefit. 

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Appreciate that. 
And we've had many reasons many 

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times to call for that. 
Quote to be read it, such a 

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great coat. 
Over the years, it's become one 

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of my favorite early quotes it 
Just in capulets so much about 

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Song of Ice and Fire. 
It's got Brands love for the 

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stories, it refers to it in 
song. 

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He says, their names are like 
music to him. 

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The names themselves are 
awesome. 

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I already told you how much the 
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made me Fanboy out, but some of 
these other names here, do the 

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same thing. 
I mean, the sword of the 

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morning, that's cool. 
I mean, man, that twit like, 

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yeah, these are just a really 
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and tragic and over every over 
time, one of the reasons the 

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quote is, I love even more. 
Is because By reading all the 

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books, you get back story and 
all these characters, you learn 

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who every single one of these 
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that gets thrown out and then 
forgotten forever, which in a 

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lot of fantasy series, that is 
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You'd hear this name once or 
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cool. 
But that's all you'd ever get, 

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you know, and that's fine isn't 
wrong with doing that. 

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But I like this more, I like 
being able to find out who those

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guys were. 
And I like knowing that I 

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probably will like. 
Now when I read the next book of

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George, there's another name out
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I'm like okay I gotta Good 
chance to learn who that's going

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to be. 
And that just makes me more 

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excited. 
When I have that sense of I know

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I'm going to learn more about 
these characters. 

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There are something that I can 
think about and I know will be 

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pay off like when Ned thinks 
about Arthur, Dayne later. 

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Like, that's a big deal. 
It be turns into a huge deal and

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you don't meet Arthur Dayne. 
But the way people talk about 

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him and think about him, and 
with on the respect, I mean you 

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that bleeds over you get it, 
you're like, okay, well, 

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everybody respected this guy. 
He was really special. 

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He warned me and doing research 
to avoid brand and Game of 

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Thrones at something might spoil
me there, but so I did. 

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But aside from that, I noticed, 
almost literally every other 

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mission of him is among other 
great names in history. 

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It's almost always like, you 
know, those Heroes Amman and 

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just lift off, you know, he's 
the one that comes to mind your 

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barristan, selmy, or whoever 
else, you know, maybe other 

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people have been listed, 
alongside him, maybe he's even a

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better way to yeah. 
Bad. 

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That's true. 
That's true because he has the 

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benefit of being more recent 
than some of them and also from 

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the more famous family, which 
like helps promote his Legend 

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little more not that he didn't 
deserve it but that does help 

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being a Targaryen getting big. 
A little you get a little more 

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in the history books that way I 
think and you know you mentioned

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Eric and Arc and how their story
is Still Still Point where we're

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still learning more about them. 
Yeah right but I want to say, I 

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don't know who to be more upset 
with their parents or George 

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Martin for naming. 
The Arrogant are with the heck. 

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Yeah, that's totally Valerian 
Volare. 

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I'm like it's the same thing. 
Like when you receive it it's 

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you could clearly tell them 
apart but set out loud. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
George wasn't thinking about 

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outside of book. 
By the way, this stuff when you 

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Like they They could be wrong. 
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story has a she alluded to this 
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caught by bran hooking up at the
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believe they're mining that for 
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good point. 
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Elena more. 
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platonic even right now. 
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Just like how. 
Amen. 

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lot and it is the serious kind 
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aegon the fourth doesn't become 
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Fire and Blood. 
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then them catching him catching 
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really changes. 
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Arc is appears to be headed from
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Brands name if he had joined the
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the first Stark to ever join. 
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been a pretty big deal and just 
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Targaryen ever to join the 
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I think the only one and Stark. 
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that, be cool. 
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Sure. 
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like that. 
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I like that. 
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now. 
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It should be in games. 
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You know, I prefer honest 
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same token prints, a man's 
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course, marks him as legendary, 
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Yes. 
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you know, nepotism or anything 
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I think Nina says, indeed, brand
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the First eight people, he 
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kingsguard as an institution and
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the time of targaryens Irwin, 
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thousands of years before but 
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allowed to mix this stuff up a 
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centuries but which ostensibly 
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best of the best of westerosi 
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chivalry more than a century 
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especially impressive, Damon 
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child with clear recency bias 
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like a lot of the living ones 
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on certain ones. 
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on is going to be different than
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on the things that matter to a 
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many big names. 
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especially with the character we
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anchors ourselves to the story. 
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sandbox of a world. 
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we're still trying to stick to 
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As much as possible. 
It's still important to us. 

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And this is a character with a 
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most Central not to mention a 
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legendary, parallel or two as 
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But, yeah, he is mentioned over 
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novels, and the world of Ice and
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No, joke. 
That's not like an estimate. 

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estimate. 
It's above 90 shortly after 

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this, quote, that we read from 
Brand Santa thinks of Prince 

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Haman as well, in her first 
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the stories and he's a star of 
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He's a favorite. 
He stands out not just for his 

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martial Deeds but she thinks of 
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sister so it's the romance. 
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but also his Valor and bravery 
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the swordplay, you know, Santa 
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Well, a man is part of both. 
He's part of the so-called 

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kissing stories, even if he 
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maybe but maybe he did and he's 
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So now Sansa will at one point 
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Joffrey. 
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her. 
His prints Amon and Ted's like 

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woah. 
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Trust me daughter, Joffrey is no
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And that, of course, we learned 
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That is completely right there. 
Sad, so would cringe at that 

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compared? 
Listen, we're she to remember 

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having made it so long ago. 
Maybe she'll just not think of 

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that good for her. 
That's a good. 

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That's a thing you can forget 
since we don't need you to 

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remember that as also a good 
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intended, this tall to be a 
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were more important to the story
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going to be less of it. 
He was getting more bang for his

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buck out of bows lure, B, 
because there was going to be so

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fewer of them. 
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going to Huge role and even 
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So we obviously love these 
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historical figure included early
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dare on. 
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see mentioned that if I remember
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Kings, a man's going to serve 
under him, the Dragon Knight. 

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And we did an episode on admin 
or on Damon on dare. 

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I'm right before one of those 
one of those names. 

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Yeah, right before seasoned. 
And the only other Targaryen 

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King mentioned before 
Emissaries. 

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But Ares was one who just died, 
but Darren's parallel is to Robb

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Stark. 
That's his main analog. 

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And Robb, Stark story is 
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suggested, an influence by 
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though Amon maester aemon is 
passed. 

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Yeah. 
Jamie and Laura's and these 

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other characters are still 
around. 

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Their stories are still playing 
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Maester aemon was born in the 
year 1998 which was roughly 20 

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years after the Dragon Knight 
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So we know how they're a g'nite 
died and most of the 

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circumstances. 
They're not the exact year. 

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It's narrowed down to about 
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So it's not a not a big mystery 
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his brother King. 
Aegon, the fourth be unworthy, 

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and that too, is a name that 
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much else, most of you do know a
lot about him, we did a whole 

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series on the blackfyre, 
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aegon the Unworthy because he's 
the father of all those black 

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fires or grandfather, or 
great-grandfather would have 

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you, their stories are all woven
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of view as best as we can clean.
Then, again, Perhaps his other 

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name, sake has not asked if you 
believe Jon Snow's name was 

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meant to be Amon. 
Then there is a name in debt has

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a lot in common with him in the 
dragon. 

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I still out there. 
But if you believe he was aegon 

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or Jerry sore, you know John 
then that's not as relevant. 

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But still, John does have things
in common with him in the Dragon

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Knight without his name. 
Actually being aiming but it 

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might be from TK. 
Okay, podcast Network. 

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Work, what kind of current real 
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The dragonknight, listen to, and
in my head, who a couple ways, I

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think he could be real 
mainstream with it, or he could 

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be real emo with it, to me. 
He would listen to Jars of Clay 

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Action, Rock. 
And I think you're right. 

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I did you really write songs 
about like, wanting to be with 

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someone. 
You can't be with her, but you 

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have Jesus. 
I don't know if you'd be that on

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the Note. 
Yeah, I don't know either but he

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be like things to deal with it. 
He wouldn't he wouldn't wallow 

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in his own. 
He would just like, try to push 

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forward. 
I don't know. 

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I've kind of like the question 
now is shout out to TK. 

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Okay podcast, what do you think 
Sean at Santa Cruz? 

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Say that I don't think he would 
be into music enough to be 

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listening to some weird, Indie 
band or something? 

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You know, I think he would 
listen to something standard. 

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Good popular. 
You know I do and I don't know 

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how to define modern. 
I don't know if AC/DC's modern 

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Maybe that's to partyish for 
him. 

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He wouldn't be to wear 
earphones. 

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Like you can't be a kingsguard 
and have any buds and you got to

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be paying attention. 
He would listen to what the king

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listens. 
Got these just 

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like the, the glam rock, where 
it's really about exercising 

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crew. 
Yeah, just like, Yeah, but 

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remember a aemon the 
dragonknight served under five 

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Kings. 
So, yes, aegon was the one 

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that's the most noteworthy but 
he came later and he served 

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under Ford are on the young 
dragon. 

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The Conqueror of Dorne that 
would do what? 

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That dude listen to like metal 
like he's in town yeah Fire and 

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Blood music made for the 
intensity and he does have his 

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headphones on. 
Well he's on the battlefield. 

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He's like Alright for it. 
He was born in 136 the same year

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that egg on the Thirds Regency 
ended. 

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So they're either year, egg on 
the third became old enough to 

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rule on his own was the same 
here aiming the Dragon Knight 

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was born. 
Now we said that a man, the 

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Dragon Knight was probably the 
network. 

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Rather maester aemon was named 
framing the Dragon Knight and 

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aemon. 
The dragonknight was probably 

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named for the prince. 
A man who had been Jerry's and 

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Alice Sands are for so long. 
He had been handed a king, the 

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uncle of the saris, Damon, 
father, of rainey's to clean. 

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And never, was that a man, of 
course, have been groomed to be 

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hand and had died 45 years 
earlier to the marish crossbow 

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man, that was aiming for Lord 
Tarth Nina, right? 

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By naming his second son, after 
Amon, Prince of Dragonstone 

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viserys could further, 
underlined, the Targaryen this 

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of his family, despite their 
lice, any maternal Heritage, as 

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00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,700
we discussed in our episode on 
lice or lease, however, you want

446
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:53,600
to say it. 
I go back and forth. 

447
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,300
Amen. 
And aegon in Aries, his mother 

448
00:22:56,300 --> 00:23:00,400
was Lara, Rogue re who was lice 
any, they have the Valerian 

449
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,500
look, but the culture is pretty 
different and that became a 

450
00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:06,000
problem, especially for Lara, 
which, of course, if it's 

451
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,500
problem for the mother, it's a 
problem for the whole family. 

452
00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,400
Let's be honest. 
That's It's there's no way to 

453
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,100
not have some kind of trickle 
down effect. 

454
00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:16,900
The problem is big enough while 
the name of his own father. 

455
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:21,100
Damon might have been a little 
too divisive, because Damon was 

456
00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:25,100
such a polarizing figure and 
we're not that far past his era 

457
00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:28,400
when this is all happening, a 
similar name. 

458
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,300
Yeah. 
Amon, a guy who was well-loved 

459
00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:34,900
rather than Damon, who was 
violent and yeah. 

460
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:39,300
Like I said, someone who you 
don't have mild opinions about 

461
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:41,200
Especially if you're in that 
world. 

462
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:44,900
So that was a may be a clever 
way to have a name that sounded 

463
00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:48,300
like that but was referring to 
someone who was more universally

464
00:23:48,300 --> 00:23:51,600
loved more, noble more neutral 
name at the time. 

465
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:58,900
Egg on his brother. 
In a symbolic moment is found 

466
00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:02,400
hitting his younger infant 
brother with a dragon egg. 

467
00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:06,300
This is really wild because egg 
on was born in early 135. 

468
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:10,500
So he's less than two years old 
doing just like, whoa, It's 

469
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:13,700
really getting ahead on being a 
jerk. 

470
00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:19,000
It's like user of a prodigy of 
jerkiness he got started as soon

471
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,900
as you can walk. 
I believe there's some amount of

472
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:22,300
exaggeration. 
Yeah. 

473
00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:24,600
Or interpretation is something 
here because two year olds can 

474
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,800
barely like drink from a cup. 
I mean I don't see how heavy is 

475
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,000
a dragon egg pick it and handle 
it, but I can't imagine you as 

476
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,100
like laying in the crib with the
next to him. 

477
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,500
He was like rolling it into him 
or something like that, a 

478
00:24:38,508 --> 00:24:41,300
servants exaggerator. 
So the still it's makes for 

479
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:45,300
ironic symbolism where you have 
this is how he's going to be 

480
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:49,200
treated by his older brother 
with disdain, with violence or 

481
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,300
disregard with contempt. 
I think is a good word for it. 

482
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:57,300
Probably because a man was just 
better at everything. 

483
00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:00,200
A man was just a better person 
and he was closer to their 

484
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,800
sister even though egg on got to
marry her like just it was just 

485
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,700
a better dude. 
Maybe that's some irony to maybe

486
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:09,800
aegon toughened aim on up. 
Maybe yeah. 

487
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,400
Older brother like this would ya
see they're going to break you 

488
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,800
or make you stronger. 
It's definitely going to have an

489
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,800
impact of some sort. 
Yeah. 

490
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,300
It could have been pretty 
horrifying to the red. 

491
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:21,800
Keep and House Targaryen because
they do. 

492
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:23,400
I just survived the dance, 
right? 

493
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,300
It's all fresh. 
On their minds is only been a 

494
00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:27,200
few years ago. 
He have a two-year-old Targaryen

495
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,100
going to beat up his brother 
with a dragon egg. 

496
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:34,400
Like, that's really symbolic 
like oh, let's not do that 

497
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,700
again. 
Come on, come on. 

498
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,200
Let's like they're already 
getting started. 

499
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,800
Like, you can't be jealous of 
his brother yet. 

500
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,300
Kenny, like, I guess he can. 
It's like they were born to 

501
00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:45,900
fight, but a man didn't really 
fight aegon, except with words 

502
00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:48,300
occasionally, you might have 
argued with him, but it's more 

503
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,400
like a gan was born to 
antagonize. 

504
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,000
Amen. 
Because It wouldn't be long 

505
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,900
before fighting his brother 
would have been a really stupid 

506
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:59,800
idea or ticket to Quick 
embarrassment because very early

507
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,300
in life. 
A man could out dual aegon but 

508
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:07,300
obviously not as an infant. 
He was defenseless against 

509
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,300
aegon's egg or maybe it was his 
egg. 

510
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:12,300
I don't know which egg it was 
but egg on his head. 

511
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,400
Egg on his brother. 
Yeah. 

512
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:17,700
Then Aires was born. 
Two years later when the year 

513
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:21,300
138 she was frail and sweet and 
gentle. 

514
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:26,700
And sadly that made her an easy 
target for older brother aegon 

515
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:32,000
who was not sweet or gentle or 
frail, he was closer to the 

516
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,900
opposite of all those things. 
So as far as mother and father 

517
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:40,900
when aegon was born in 135, 
viserys was like 12 or 13. 

518
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,600
Lara was 19 or 20, so Lara being
19 or 20. 

519
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,200
That's that's not that old, 
especially by westerosi 

520
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,800
standards for having a child. 
But 12 year old and even in 

521
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,900
Westeros, 12 is very young NG to
be a father even in Westeros 

522
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:56,600
even by Noble standards where 
they sometimes go a little 

523
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,700
early, you know, they're called 
all the money taken care of, you

524
00:26:59,700 --> 00:27:01,300
know. 
They called him for Sarah is. 

525
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,900
So they were both anointed by 
the faith and that's important 

526
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:15,400
to know because in this era 
things were getting less and 

527
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,600
less dragony and more and more 
70 because the dragons were gone

528
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:23,800
and so they couldn't be We have 
our dragons, don't mess with us 

529
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,900
now we're like well we don't 
have so many dragons and early 

530
00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:31,200
on they would have none at all 
so they had to play a little 

531
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,200
nicer and that led to more and 
more closeness to the faith, 

532
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,300
more taking up some of the 
tenants both in House Targaryen 

533
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,700
and without, but not every 
Targaryen went along with it. 

534
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:46,200
So that's an in really important
sort of division of sorts not 

535
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,600
that they were against the faith
but they didn't embrace it to 

536
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,500
the level of some of the others 
and some of the Targaryen Kings 

537
00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:56,000
in the future especially like 
think pale or the Blessed number

538
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,800
one of all embracing the faith, 
right? 

539
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,400
But after that as well dare on 
the second there on the good 

540
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,200
very very Pious and over time 
they started to move away from 

541
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,500
some of the incest Traditions as
well. 

542
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,500
Because well why? 
Why be incestuous when you 

543
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:14,400
aren't keeping the blood pure 
for Dragon riding? 

544
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800
It's the first no dragons. 
What's the point of that? 

545
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,400
So these are things that will 
come up, these are things that 

546
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,500
are changing for House 
Targaryen. 

547
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,100
Early on in this era. 
So, eamon's born right at the 

548
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:29,800
cusp of a new time. 
A new world for House Targaryen 

549
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,700
and for Westeros. 
Laura also wanted them anointed 

550
00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,400
in a lysine ceremony. 
She wasn't against them being 

551
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,300
anointed in the faith, but she 
wanted them like dubli anointed,

552
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:43,900
which is pretty normal in the 
real world too. 

553
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,700
But not, this particular 
situation wasn't so normal 

554
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,500
because people didn't like, the 
lysine religions. 

555
00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:53,200
They didn't like her to hurt two
people around Westeros. 

556
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200
They were strange, and they 
didn't understand it. 

557
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,100
It was it's strange to them. 
They think it's black magic, and

558
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,100
it was a little made a little 
worse by the fact that Lara They

559
00:29:01,100 --> 00:29:04,500
never learn to speak, comment on
any conversation, be her. 

560
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,200
And her children would have been
in lysine or one of our other 

561
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,000
languages of valerian. 
Life sentence is a dialect of 

562
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,700
valerian anyway. 
Which by the way, it tells us 

563
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:16,300
that her children learn to speak
those languages, but they may 

564
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:22,200
not have kept it in practice 
because she left in 139 return 

565
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,800
to lease and never came back. 
She didn't feel welcome and part

566
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,100
because there were aggression it
was aggression against her 

567
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:30,900
family, her side of the family 
and her family. 

568
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Had that big collapse. 
The regard family had their big 

569
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,100
Power. 
Play that fell apart, and there 

570
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,800
was Civil War, and members of 
her family were killed and all 

571
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,000
sorts of stuff happened. 
That's a little outside, the 

572
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,600
scope of this episode, a lot of 
what we covered in the lysine 

573
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,200
episode so it's kind of 
understandable that you left on 

574
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,900
the other hand. 
There's people out there who 

575
00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:52,900
really can't fathom leaving 
their children behind but If we 

576
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:54,900
try to put yourself in her 
shoes, maybe a little makes a 

577
00:29:54,908 --> 00:29:56,700
little more sense. 
Nina says, I do feel bad for 

578
00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:58,800
Laura because I can imagine what
sort of unhappiness she might 

579
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,400
have been feeling at this point.
She'd already been violently 

580
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,600
reminded during the lysine 
spring that are foreign this 

581
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,000
code and would be used against 
her. 

582
00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:08,600
And there are definitely a lot 
of westerosi that would have 

583
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,000
preferred viserys to marry 
someone from Westeros. 

584
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,200
And not a rogue re especially 
because he was basically forced 

585
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,400
into it. 
Even though he liked it, he was 

586
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,700
happy with the arrangement. 
Viserys was, it was still forced

587
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:21,200
on him. 
That's what other Nobles and 

588
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000
folks out there. 
I'm like that and didn't like 

589
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,300
the lice, any encroachment on 
their culture and the power they

590
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:31,300
were trying to achieve and all 
that, not to mention one of the 

591
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:36,700
Regents Lord, manderley flat out
openly gave a larger sentence to

592
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:38,900
one of her family members 
because of his race because they

593
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:42,500
bi you're a thrice-damned lice 
any, you know and gave him was 

594
00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:45,800
like openly said that. 
So that doesn't really help dial

595
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,900
back. 
The racial animosity when you 

596
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,100
have one of the highest ranking 
people in the Kingdom just 

597
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:55,000
saying that out loud to people. 
Like basically endorsing that 

598
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,700
prejudice. 
If you feel - towards Lara, for 

599
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:01,200
leaving her children, at least 
balance it out with, with this 

600
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,500
stuff, because it's pretty 
heavy, pretty heavy, pretty 

601
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:05,000
severe. 
She was very unwanted there. 

602
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,800
I think, another thing that Nina
says here to is it, she might 

603
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,500
not have really been given the 
opportunity to be a mother. 

604
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,700
Yeah, like true. 
Like, she might be leaving these

605
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:17,000
children that she's not even 
allowed to see ya? 

606
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400
Like, are they do, they don't 
want her to raise them as lice 

607
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,300
any so they're trying to take a 
pic, her away. 

608
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,500
Yeah, I see that. 
Trying to keep her out of the 

609
00:31:23,508 --> 00:31:26,700
public eye, trying to prevent 
the kids, we're trying to make 

610
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:29,700
sure the kids learn westerosi 
Customs, Customs not lice any 

611
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:32,300
Customs. 
So like if she's a borderline 

612
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,400
prisoner her, children are 
borderline. 

613
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,900
Prisoners are kept apart from 
each other. 

614
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,600
There's prejudices against her 
like at some point in general. 

615
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,000
I understand the idea. 
Like you said, it's hard to 

616
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,200
Fathom leaving her children but 
I can fathom it. 

617
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,000
I can't come up with a scenario 
where you would and I think this

618
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,400
might be the scenario, and 
here's another example. 

619
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Or the dimensions here is 
mollari own or Voss. 

620
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:01,500
That's the mother of Aryan and 
Quentin and the other one 

621
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:05,200
Tristan after saying the other 
other one. 

622
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:08,900
Yeah, I forgot land. 
Sell the other day. 

623
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,800
Yeah. 
I'm the middle of a reread 

624
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,100
because like, yeah, I'm like, I 
gotta shake that rust off as 

625
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:15,800
he's, and yes, I'm Larry. 
Of course, she also left. 

626
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,100
She left to go back to nor vas, 
she was unhappy and Dorn, and 

627
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:24,600
Doran didn't really give her I 
say in some important decisions,

628
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,500
like he gave their children away
as hostages, she complained and 

629
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,900
was like, what kind of father 
gives her kids will give their 

630
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:36,000
kids with a koala princely sort.
Was like, who's really giving 

631
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,400
the kids away? 
Like who's really leaving the 

632
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,100
children in this scenario, 
right? 

633
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:41,600
So that as a fair argument to be
made, there is like you sent 

634
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,100
them away, I left, but you sent 
them away. 

635
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:44,900
I didn't leave the children. 
You had already sent them away. 

636
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:50,100
Anyway, coming back to Amon, 
it's very traumatic nerys. 

637
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,000
I mean, there's Trauma from just
never meet Your mother in the 

638
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,500
first place. 
I don't want to downplay that. 

639
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:59,300
I never met my father and that 
mattered but Amon and egg on it 

640
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:01,300
probably been worse because they
were four and three and they 

641
00:33:01,300 --> 00:33:03,800
would have a memory of her and 
they would remember her leaving.

642
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800
So that's probably more 
powerful. 

643
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,900
Probably bigger level of trauma.
And for viserys it was a big 

644
00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:11,400
deal to. 
This is his only wife, he 

645
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,300
doesn't remarry. 
He was only 17 and he was very 

646
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:18,500
into her. 
He liked her a lot, and Well, he

647
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:21,700
kind of went Tywin, viserys is 
kind of a Tywin without the 

648
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,200
cruelty and Evil. 
Evil but but yes, the coldness 

649
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,300
and the becomes Stern after his 
wife. 

650
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:30,100
Well in this case left and 
tywin's case died and had three 

651
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:35,000
children, two boys, one girl and
one joins the kingsguard. 

652
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,100
Yeah, there's all these very 
similar things not to mention 

653
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:40,400
viserys as hand of the king for 
20 years, just like Tywin was. 

654
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,200
So there's a lot of very strong 
parallels here. 

655
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,600
So you think of Tywin very think
of viserys very simply as Tywin 

656
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,100
without the cruelty and evil. 
You be pretty close. 

657
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:50,700
So competent capable 
intelligent. 

658
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:53,800
Good administrator. 
Not a great parent. 

659
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,600
You know, we see a mass 
murderer. 

660
00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:00,300
Okay, you're pretty big juicy. 
What I sent without the evil. 

661
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:05,500
Be another really fascinating 
thing about this time periods 

662
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:09,100
because the dance wiped out so 
many targaryens and just people 

663
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:13,199
in general, not just targaryens,
obviously, viserys at age, 17 

664
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,400
was the second oldest Targaryen 
at the time. 

665
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,600
The only older one was the King 
aegon, which his older brother 

666
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,900
who's only a couple of years 
old. 

667
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:24,900
So, who would just as He said in
136 reaches age of maturity. 

668
00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:27,300
So this is a very young 
Bachelor. 

669
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:29,900
It's like a not only, is it a 
new era, culturally because of 

670
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:33,000
the changes in loss of dragons 
and all these other things, but 

671
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,500
it's like a reset within the 
family on a personal level. 

672
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:38,699
Like they don't have the Elder 
Statesman to learn from her to 

673
00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:40,600
teach them stories of the old 
days. 

674
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,699
They have that in the form of 
non-family members, maesters and

675
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,199
other people who may be close 
by, maybe Volare and cousin here

676
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:52,100
or there, the sea snake was gone
by now to, there's just there's 

677
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:54,800
not a Of people, they could talk
to you about what things used to

678
00:34:54,808 --> 00:34:58,000
be like, so they had to make 
their own way and that's doubly.

679
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,300
So for this family who didn't 
even have a mother and you had a

680
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:05,400
father who was too young to be a
good dad and was handed the 

681
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,500
king, so he was rather busy 
besides. 

682
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:12,900
So she say Amon became strong 
because his brother beat on him.

683
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,700
We had a lot of other factors 
that made him strong. 

684
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:17,700
Yeah, he was privileged, no, 
let's not forget that. 

685
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,600
Sure he had money and wealth and
education. 

686
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:23,500
But in terms of parenting and a 
Port group around him. 

687
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,500
Not that much, not that much. 
I wouldn't call him privileged 

688
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,200
in that regard, certainly not, 
I'd say. 

689
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,100
Oh, maybe even almost 
underprivileged in that. 

690
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,100
In that regard, Nina says it's 
interesting to speculate on the 

691
00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,500
political implications as well. 
Lara would have been something 

692
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:40,300
like the second lady in Westeros
after the queen queen dinero? 

693
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,900
And so, her flight might have 
caused quite a bit of comment as

694
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,900
even though she wasn't well, 
loved by a lot of people. 

695
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,000
It just goes to show that big 
reset at court. 

696
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,900
You don't have these older 
cousins or the former the, that 

697
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:55,500
was your queen. 
Nothing like that. 

698
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:58,600
So who'd you who to go talk to, 
who do you ask advice for? 

699
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,000
It's a really really different 
time even though it's not that 

700
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,200
long after the dance. 
Water pressure a lot of change. 

701
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:08,500
Another reason viserys might 
have been under pressure to 

702
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:09,700
remarry though. 
He might have been under 

703
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:13,200
pressure to remarry after Laura 
left is that his older brother? 

704
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,400
The king didn't have any kids 
yet, so Hague on Amon and Nares.

705
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:21,700
Were the only young targaryens 
it's time so that all the are 

706
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:25,200
the future of the Kingdom. 
Looked like it might pass 

707
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,100
through there might King was 
still young and his Queen was 

708
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:31,000
too young to have kids. 
So there was no there wasn't 

709
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,700
like doubt that they would ever 
have kids but it Until it 

710
00:36:33,707 --> 00:36:35,400
happens, you don't know that 
it's going to happen. 

711
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:40,100
And it's important to note that 
it isn't just a man, an egg on 

712
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:42,300
an Aries, the lack of mother 
figure. 

713
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:46,800
I mean, egg on the king himself,
didn't have a mother around now 

714
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,200
that neither did viserys his 
mother. 

715
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,400
Their mother was gone and queen 
Daenerys, and her mother was 

716
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,000
gone too. 
So none of these kids had their 

717
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,700
parents around and they're 
having to like Rule the Kingdom 

718
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,300
and rebuild the kingdom. 
After this giant Civil War, I a 

719
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:03,400
few years had passed a lot of 
the rebuilding it happened, but 

720
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,800
still there were worried about 
it happening again. 

721
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,000
And There's just a lot going on.
It's a lot for teenagers to have

722
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,300
to handle, even Royal teenagers,
even with their upbringing and 

723
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:18,600
all that unadulterated. 
It's the word, unadulterated, 

724
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:22,900
unadulterated children. 
I could see the targaryens being

725
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:27,100
heavily protected to like 
mothered and fathered by people 

726
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:29,200
who aren't their mother and 
father, like, burying overly 

727
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,600
protective of the very few 
Targaryen who were left, because

728
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,800
if the targaryens die out, then 
you got to figure out who's 

729
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,400
going to rule and that's 
probably gonna go bloody No one 

730
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,600
wants that. 
That's not something that you 

731
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,700
aim for unless you're I do 
you're on or something like that

732
00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:45,700
or little finger maybe it's not 
many people would want that if 

733
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,800
anyone. 
So not only is a child going to 

734
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,600
feel major loss from the 
departure of their mother and 

735
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,700
lots of protection just feeling 
of having your mother around. 

736
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:58,500
But presumably The Fearsome sand
off the shadow would have left 

737
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,200
also he would have been a 
monstrous protector that even as

738
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,300
a kid you like hold my God. 
That dude is just way bigger 

739
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:08,700
than everyone else. 
But he's on your side, he plays 

740
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:10,700
nice music. 
He's there always protecting 

741
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,700
your mother. 
You'd probably recognize him as 

742
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:15,600
a protective influence and then 
he's gone to and you're like 

743
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,500
dang, he was like a bodyguard. 
Yeah, Laura, yeah, he was a 

744
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:26,300
former pit fighter. 
That was freed and made her 

745
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:29,700
sworn shield and he's like a 
huge man like sort of Gregor 

746
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:34,900
Clegane sized not as tall but 
wider and not you know, Undead 

747
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,200
by very dark skin. 
In. 

748
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,800
So, to unfamiliar looking to a 
lot of restaurants, which meant 

749
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,600
may have made him more 
intimidating, and his face was 

750
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,900
like, scarred up and his lips 
were missing and he didn't talk,

751
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,300
but he played music. 
Yeah, he could play at the harp 

752
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:50,000
really well. 
He beautiful music. 

753
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,300
Very interesting characters they
may have missed his music as 

754
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:54,000
well. 
You know I didn't think of that 

755
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,700
until now. 
Yeah Sean has whoa. 

756
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,800
Lips were missing. 
Yeah yeah. 

757
00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:02,700
He was different, a drink. 
Yeah. 

758
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:16,200
With this Vibe around Court of 
lots of lice any, and this big 

759
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,700
Burly protector, who could 
spring for that any moment? 

760
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:22,100
Is it? 
Maybe it's natural that Amon 

761
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,800
took to Knighthood because they 
didn't have the adults around as

762
00:39:26,808 --> 00:39:29,300
much as they would other 
generation to protect them. 

763
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,300
And so with the nightly sense of
Duty and thus, the faith of the 

764
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:37,600
seven is becoming more and more 
part of the Royal Court. 

765
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:39,700
You could see why Someone would 
step forward me. 

766
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:44,600
Like I'm going to be the one to 
take on this Duty and be a 

767
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,400
protector. 
It's needed. 

768
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,900
I have the skills I'm going to 
do it and that person was aimin 

769
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:53,100
even at a young age it seems 
like he started to take on that 

770
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:54,900
Duty. 
Seems like he was a very serious

771
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:59,600
child didn't didn't play a lot. 
Probably it also makes sense 

772
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,700
that if we think that as a young
child, he would make this 

773
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:05,800
realization that he needs to 
step up and take on this role 

774
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,100
and be prepared. 
They're probably a lot of adults

775
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:09,100
around. 
And they have the same 

776
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:11,700
realization. 
They probably there's probably 

777
00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,100
some amount of pushing them into
it, you know like hey don't you 

778
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:15,500
want to learn how to fight with 
this sword? 

779
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:18,900
You know, I'm sure plenty of 
other nights and masters of arms

780
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:20,600
and so on. 
That would have been eager to 

781
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,600
teach him and put him in. 
These videos are shown aptitude 

782
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,100
for which would have made them 
pushing ago. 

783
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,100
This kids, good, let's see. 
Yeah, we should work on. 

784
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:30,600
Yeah, let's develop his talent. 
He's so good, that he almost 

785
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,300
certainly was good, right away. 
Like Talent showed itself. 

786
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,600
He was strong and fast. 
It's also was inflamed by the 

787
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,900
fact that yeah the king himself 
was kind of a depressed kid. 

788
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:44,800
He got he came out of it, 
somewhat marriage changed him. 

789
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,300
Having kids changed him but he 
was still very depressed, very 

790
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:51,700
dark mooted for understandable 
reasons, given how things have 

791
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:53,800
gone for him, earlier in life, 
but he clearly wasn't going to 

792
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,300
step up and be this fearsome 
protector of the family, even 

793
00:40:56,308 --> 00:40:58,500
though he was the king and 
neither was his own brother 

794
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,400
aegon going to step up and do 
that because he was clearly lazy

795
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,700
and more like egg on the second 
interested in girls and drinking

796
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:06,100
and stuff. 
Like, Like that. 

797
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:09,800
So Amon, maybe one day realize 
that, hey, I'm the one. 

798
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:11,700
I'm the one that's capable of 
doing this. 

799
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,800
It's my duty to actually do 
that. 

800
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,200
And yeah, I like your idea Shawn
that they may be noticed that 

801
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,300
right away. 
And some of the master-at-arms 

802
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:23,600
people who were took it upon 
themselves to be foster parents 

803
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,500
for these targaryens who quite 
clearly didn't have their own 

804
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:27,600
parents around as much or at 
all. 

805
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,000
And I think that would have 
garnered some sympathy around 

806
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,300
some of the other Nobles at 
court and some people would have

807
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:38,200
really liked young age. 
Because of his nature because of

808
00:41:38,207 --> 00:41:41,300
being dutiful. 
You're like, really you feel bad

809
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:43,400
for a kid, you can't be a kid, 
right? 

810
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:45,000
Yeah. 
You'd also be proud of someone 

811
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,800
that shows such talent and works
hard. 

812
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,000
Something we've seen a few 
times. 

813
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,800
Is it the kingsguard often have 
certain responsibilities often 

814
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,100
like a certain person that 
they're more specifically 

815
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:58,800
responsible for? 
Yeah, right. 

816
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:01,600
And I don't know how much of 
this is definitive or 

817
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,300
institutionalized versus how it 
turns out to be but Was there a 

818
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:09,900
kingsguard that was more 
assigned to a mon when we know 

819
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:11,700
this, don't know? 
Yeah, the kingsguard in this 

820
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,200
area is a little bit on a little
bit, unofficially. 

821
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,700
There's so few targaryens, it 
seems like you might have like, 

822
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,200
I don't know. 
One kingsguard might be 

823
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,800
responsible for Joffrey he had 
sand or basically right? 

824
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,300
Yeah. 
And then there might be another 

825
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,500
kingsguard. 
It's like the other kids in a 

826
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,500
one is Cersei and in one is, I 
don't know the courtroom. 

827
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:30,600
Yeah. 
There's some other person but 

828
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,300
there's preferences and sort of 
the way it falls out like 

829
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:37,700
certain Things happen like 
rhaegar certain ones, got close 

830
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:40,200
with rhaegar, and that almost 
became a problem. 

831
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,700
But there's no, like, set rule 
for it. 

832
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:45,200
It's really more about just 
human relationships and how they

833
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,300
tend to just work out. 
I'm going to say though, we may 

834
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:51,300
never know, but I'm going to say
there was probably a kingsguard,

835
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,600
it was close to aim on the 
probably taught him a thing or 

836
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,400
two. 
I think you're right. 

837
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,900
I think you're very probably 
right about that. 

838
00:42:56,900 --> 00:42:59,900
He joined the King's Garden 
early age as we'll see pretty 

839
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:03,200
soon, and if he's surrounded by 
nightly virtue, protect the 

840
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,000
weak. 
Join the scene of the faith of 

841
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,900
the seven. 
And these virtues would be all 

842
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:09,300
around him and he would see the 
need for them. 

843
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:13,100
And unlike someone like sandor, 
Clegane who is disabused of the 

844
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:17,700
notion very early on that 
Knighthood is a load of BS, a 

845
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:20,100
man would not have been 
disabused of that notion. 

846
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,100
He might he would have been 
disabused of certain other 

847
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:25,900
things like maybe certain things
about growing up and your 

848
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:28,100
parents your family like. 
Yeah. 

849
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:31,600
It's your family's not always 
great which might be all the 

850
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,400
more reason why he sought solace
in these institutions. 

851
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:38,700
And in being a royal, he 
wouldn't have nay seen the Dark 

852
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:40,800
Side of some of the institutions
until he was much older. 

853
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,600
Unlike a sandor Clegane, who was
exposed to that at eight years 

854
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,100
old. 
Where is it again? 

855
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,500
They give my brother a 
Knighthood, then this whole 

856
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:49,600
thing is worthless that never 
happened for Raymond. 

857
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,200
Do we know who the Lord 
Commander was at that time? 

858
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,300
No, we don't. 
Yeah, we don't know much about 

859
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:58,200
the kingsguard this super early 
time, and even later, we don't 

860
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,000
know that much about it. 
We just know that several of 

861
00:44:00,008 --> 00:44:02,300
them died in Dorne, but we'll 
get to that later. 

862
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,900
So Laura dies in 145 cause is 
unknown So again, even though he

863
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:10,500
was a Targaryen and had a lot of
privilege, his life was marked 

864
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,900
by pain and loss. 
She was 30 only when she died. 

865
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,500
So they may have still had like 
letters back and forth and 

866
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,300
haven't heard from her from time
to time but that obviously 

867
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:19,700
stopped. 
And we don't know what happened.

868
00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:21,000
So may have even been worse than
it sounds. 

869
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,600
Because it may have been tragic.
It may have been like, she may 

870
00:44:22,607 --> 00:44:25,000
have been murdered or something 
and that would have just made it

871
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,500
worse. 
I wouldn't be unreasonable at 

872
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:30,600
all for someone to murder the 
Queen. 

873
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,600
The wife of the king leaving the
King open to remarry. 

874
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,400
Like that's very possible. 
I know it's far, but like that's

875
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,000
a good Target. 
If you think you have an 

876
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,500
eligible daughter, because he 
might have just always been miss

877
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:43,200
are a part of a serous might 
have hoped she would come back 

878
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,600
one day, but if she's dead and 
he's not going to hold on to 

879
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,900
that hope as it turned out, he'd
never did remarry, so that was 

880
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:53,200
their plan, a didn't work. 
So we can't know at this point 

881
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,400
is to really interesting open. 
Question is, was there, lice any

882
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,500
Heritage severed? 
At this point they still have 

883
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:00,500
connection to any of their 
life's, any family. 

884
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:03,100
They may have still had some 
Rogue RI cousins out there. 

885
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:04,900
I mean, they're all Gary family 
had their fall but it wasn't a 

886
00:45:04,908 --> 00:45:06,900
total. 
I'll collapse, it wasn't like 

887
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:10,400
they were wiped out, as we saw, 
which one of the Ruger? 

888
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,500
I forget which one came back and
got to bury Lisandro properly. 

889
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,800
And so they had a comeback. 
So, yeah. 

890
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,600
A man's grandfather, Lisandro 
the Magnificent died in 135 a 

891
00:45:21,607 --> 00:45:25,600
year before a man was born, but 
lissandra's wife, haman's. 

892
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Grandmother is an unknown to us.
We don't know her name. 

893
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,600
She might have still been alive 
especially because she might 

894
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,200
have been lying or than lasondra
that's not uncommon at all. 

895
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:35,300
And even if she was around his 
age, he wasn't. 

896
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,200
Old he/she could easily just be 
in her 50s. 

897
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:41,300
She might only be in like her 
forties, so she could easily 

898
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,700
have been alive. 
Nina says, I tend to imagine 

899
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:45,800
that viserys is not want. 
Anything do not want to 

900
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,900
reinforce anything to do with 
the lice, any side of his 

901
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:50,300
family, following large 
departure, he had himself 

902
00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:53,200
experienced the zena phobic 
backlash against the regards 

903
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,100
during Life's, a nice spring. 
So he might have been wary of 

904
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:59,500
reminding Westeros about all 
that especially with her being 

905
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:01,100
gone. 
There's not as much reason to 

906
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:06,200
defend her and yeah, she's not 
on his side as Much anymore. 

907
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,700
What is he really pulling for at
this point? 

908
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,800
He may have just resented her. 
At that point you may have 

909
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,700
resented her leaving. 
We know we hear he grew stern 

910
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:18,100
was part of the Tywin connection
there and he may have resented 

911
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:19,900
anything to do with her at that 
point. 

912
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:23,200
Even if he was also 
simultaneously still in love 

913
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,300
with her, may have been one of 
those like I hate you, I love 

914
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:27,300
you kind of things, so that's 
all very believable. 

915
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,300
But we're really just guessing 
at this point. 

916
00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:34,600
Well, egg on the third wasn't 
fondly remembered as a king. 

917
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,300
He had a quality shared by 
viserys the first that we lauded

918
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,400
that is semi Priceless. 
In a person with absolute power.

919
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,400
He didn't abuse his office. 
Yeah, he wasn't a great king but

920
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,800
he didn't go around throwing his
weight around. 

921
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,800
He didn't like force people to 
do things that were 

922
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:57,500
dishonorable, he wasn't cruel. 
Like if I feel like if he forced

923
00:46:57,500 --> 00:46:59,700
anyone to do anything, it would 
just be like crying session. 

924
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:03,100
Yeah. 
Listen to his Emo music catalog 

925
00:47:03,100 --> 00:47:05,900
were like, yeah, he was, he's 
like Cash Kings making me, love 

926
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:09,800
this music again. 
In fact, a man might have found 

927
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,500
things in common with King aegon
more so than with egg on his 

928
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:15,800
brother because think of aegon 
the third serious, humble 

929
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,600
dutiful unmarked by lost and 
vice, maybe a little sad because

930
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,000
of the things that happened to 
his family. 

931
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,100
Pretty close in age to how close
in age where they okay, well, 

932
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,400
aegon became e. 
Not super close in age but 

933
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,900
pretty close to egg on the 
third. 

934
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,500
We came 16 the year that a man 
was born. 

935
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:39,000
So, 16 years of Arkansas, a 
close, but close enough that he 

936
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,000
could look up to him a little 
once a and CMS, any of the 

937
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000
targaryens around, we're like 
him, and he wanted someone to 

938
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,100
look up to, and his own family 
would probably be him. 

939
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:50,000
And, of course, Hague on the 
third. 

940
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,800
It did start having children 
eventually, maybe it was more 

941
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,200
out of Duty than how to love, 
although it five children. 

942
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,700
So kind of implies he was, may 
be enjoying himself a little bit

943
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:01,500
if Lottie Mae became around on 
it. 

944
00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:07,700
No pun intended in 143. 
Okay? 

945
00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:11,500
Fine, intended and 143. 
When the Dragon Knight, who was 

946
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:15,600
not yet called, that was seven, 
the Future King daeron the first

947
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,700
was born. 
So he's closer in age to this 

948
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,600
guy. 
Followed a year later by 

949
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Darren's younger brother, the 
Future King bail or followed in 

950
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:30,500
succession by princesses Dana, 
Rayna and Elena in the year. 50,

951
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:34,100
when Amon was 14. 
So while a man was never all 

952
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:36,600
that close to inheriting the 
throne in the first place, he 

953
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,300
fell even further behind and so,
did his brother. 

954
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:40,800
We don't know what a gun was 
thinking. 

955
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,800
He may have thought he was 
closed and he fell really far 

956
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,900
behind which made eamon's 
development or sense of Duty 

957
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,300
even clearer given traditions 
and the family conditions at 

958
00:48:52,308 --> 00:48:54,600
this point, the Targaryen family
was regrowing itself. 

959
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:57,500
All the more reason for him to 
be like that, have the attitude 

960
00:48:57,500 --> 00:48:59,700
of a loris or something was 
like, yeah, I'm the Third. 

961
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,100
'The Fifth wind down as no need 
for me to marry and have kids. 

962
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,600
I should be a warrior, I should 
be that this and that. 

963
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,400
So the standard westerosi 
Traditions were clear here, like

964
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,500
his duty was pretty 
straightforward in that, in that

965
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:15,000
sense. 
So, let's talk about his 

966
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,600
siblings because this is the 
meat of it obviously. 

967
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,200
Most of his parents aren't a big
part of the story. 

968
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,100
One of them is already dead at 
this point. 

969
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,600
At least, technically, she isn't
dead yet, but we fast forwarded 

970
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,500
to her death because it's not 
going to have much to do with 

971
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:27,800
anything and viserys is going to
be too busy. 

972
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,000
Being hand to be much of a 
father. 

973
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,800
Again, we're going to see them 
raise each other. 

974
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,700
So it's these three siblings so 
they're going to be the focus 

975
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:38,500
for a lot of this. 
Now, egg on, had a lot of 

976
00:49:38,508 --> 00:49:40,500
terrible qualities. 
You think of the young versions 

977
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:43,300
of him like egg on the second, 
you'd not be too far off. 

978
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:48,400
Off though, this egg on was more
capable with the sword and maybe

979
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,400
even maybe a little Cruller to 
that wouldn't last as we'll see.

980
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,100
He also took after viserys the 
first and that he really 

981
00:49:55,100 --> 00:49:58,500
declined as he aged partly due 
to lots of partying, but while 

982
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:01,200
the saris, the First Health 
declined, his personality didn't

983
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,400
really change. 
Hague on, on the other hand, it 

984
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,200
was both his health and his 
personality decline. 

985
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:13,300
He became a jerk, he became more
cruel, more hateful. 

986
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:18,100
More vindictive more, all the 
bad things but this was very 

987
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:22,700
slow build-up and again, he's 
not King not yet so it was less 

988
00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:25,100
of a problem than it could have 
been but still it was bad feel 

989
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:28,100
like rubber is almost yeah, egg 
on light. 

990
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,500
Robert is the best comparison 
for aegon the Unworthy 

991
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:32,700
especially because of all the 
bastards will be not specially 

992
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:34,400
cousin but that's one of the 
major things they have been 

993
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:35,600
adding to it. 
Yeah. 

994
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,300
And they very slow decline. 
You and Robert also not as bad 

995
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:41,600
as aegon. 
But yeah, similar cloth. 

996
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,000
Cut from the similar mold. 
Yeah, sure. 

997
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:49,500
And at the time it probably 
didn't seem that bad though 

998
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:51,700
because it's like I said it was 
so gradual, it was a slow 

999
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:55,900
process and his father or their 
father, kind of kept him in. 

1000
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:59,600
Check the saris made egg on 
behave better like he 

1001
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,800
disciplined him somewhat so that
helps I'm not as much as could 

1002
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,400
have. 
Maybe if he had a mom around, it

1003
00:51:05,408 --> 00:51:08,200
would help even more. 
It's also possible Nina writes 

1004
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,500
that a gun developed his 
resentment towards a man, very 

1005
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:14,100
early indeed. 
He could see that Two brothers, 

1006
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:15,900
the older brother is worse at 
everything. 

1007
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:17,800
The younger brother excels at 
everything and the older 

1008
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,600
brothers already, kind of a jerk
already kind of a narcissist. 

1009
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:24,200
He's going to take out his 
frustrations on the person 

1010
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,100
that's besting him not look 
Inward and feel depressed. 

1011
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,900
He's not good enough or just 
shrug it off because he's good 

1012
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:32,400
at other things or just who 
knows how he could have reacted 

1013
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,400
but it went about as bad as it 
could. 

1014
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:37,500
And from what we know that aegon
took his brother being better 

1015
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:41,100
than him poorly and he wasn't 
just better than him. 

1016
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,400
He's one of the best ever. 
It's early. 

1017
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,100
If that feeling existed and it 
probably did it would have been 

1018
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:50,700
pretty intense for egg on to be 
like, wow, I'm really, I'm the 

1019
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:54,500
older one, but my younger 
brother is just best at the 

1020
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:57,000
thing that everyone in this 
country values. 

1021
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,500
Most being good with a sword, 
it's like he would have gotten 

1022
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:04,100
so much Acclaim, so much praise 
and aegon's is damn it. 

1023
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:07,100
You know, I'm gonna go drink 
some more and at this excuse is 

1024
00:52:07,100 --> 00:52:08,800
eventual Behavior. 
But you know, if he hadn't 

1025
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,100
turned out so bad, I would feel 
more sympathetic for him. 

1026
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:13,300
Literally don't even care about 
skills with this. 

1027
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,700
Sword. 
His jealousy may have grown 

1028
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:20,800
because Amon and Nares. 
Grew close a meant that the 

1029
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,500
brother and sister had a lot in 
common. 

1030
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:25,100
Whereas the older brother, the 
one who's actually going to 

1031
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:28,800
marry, this sister has less to 
do with them, they don't have as

1032
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,900
much in common. 
So this is another little point 

1033
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,000
of division between a close 
little group here. 

1034
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,700
And egg on would be the one that
would remember. 

1035
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,600
Their mother, the most he'd be 
the one that would feel that her

1036
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,900
loss probably the most and may 
have even been like her the most

1037
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,900
Lots of jealousy, lots of 
animosity, lots of unevenness 

1038
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,000
and lots of lack of parenting, 
all very early on creates kind 

1039
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,400
of a mess. 
George also said, by the way, 

1040
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,700
the Nares turned out to look 
like Daenerys as in narus Mother

1041
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:04,000
of Dragons. 
And she would have a daughter 

1042
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,600
named Daenerys as well. 
That's the Water Gardens 

1043
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,700
Daenerys. 
So like Amon nerys was dutiful 

1044
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:16,100
and Pious and their Duty was 
clear especially in the shadow 

1045
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:18,400
of the dance of the Dragons. 
Doing whatever they could to 

1046
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,800
avoid another civil war would 
have been Paramount to be a lot 

1047
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,500
of pressure too bad. 
They didn't have Alice Ann as a 

1048
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:25,700
mother. 
When young Daenerys a different 

1049
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:27,600
Daenerys died. 
Their plan was to married an 

1050
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,900
heiress to the first Amon and 
then jaehaerys is like, well 

1051
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:32,800
there's die. 
Let's marry a man to the next 

1052
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,000
youngest kid. 
That's young Alyssa, and 

1053
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:39,500
Allison's like no bail. 
On and Alyssa are separate, are 

1054
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:42,000
like attached at the hip. 
We were going to marry the two 

1055
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,500
of them, let that continue. 
Why? 

1056
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:46,500
You don't need to break all the 
previous arrangements to make 

1057
00:53:46,500 --> 00:53:49,300
the oldest to marry. 
That's it's really not that 

1058
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:52,500
important to do that. 
It's too bad because a game in 

1059
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:55,300
an Aries would have been a great
couple probably and they got 

1060
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:58,500
along really well, but that 
consideration didn't exist and 

1061
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,000
especially its tragic here 
because they weren't in line for

1062
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,600
the throne, right? 
They that wasn't the thing was 

1063
00:54:03,607 --> 00:54:07,400
like, well, maybe we need to be 
a little strict about it when 

1064
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,000
it's the king. 
And queen were talking about, 

1065
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,500
but it wasn't even that they 
really could have just had egg 

1066
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:12,900
on. 
Marry someone else and have a 

1067
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:14,400
man in Mary's marriage. 
That's too bad. 

1068
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,700
But of course we wouldn't have 
gotten all this great story if 

1069
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:20,800
it had gone that way. 
It's also easy to think of the 

1070
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,300
best case scenario but that 
might have also gone sour right 

1071
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:26,400
here because what if that made 
egg on even more upset and 

1072
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,800
jealous of a mantra and he ended
up killing him or punishing him 

1073
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,600
in some more specific way. 
Or, you know, either way, it 

1074
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,900
seems likely, they knew what 
would happen, they knew the 

1075
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:36,400
score, they knew the writing on 
the wall. 

1076
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,000
They knew Nares is going to 
marry a And there was no 

1077
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
indication things would go other
ways. 

1078
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,600
I would go, the standard 
traditional route, he would be a

1079
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,900
warrior because that's what was 
needed and I might be 

1080
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:52,000
projecting. 
But I really picture aemon. 

1081
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,000
The dragonknight as a guy who 
has that I can never be good 

1082
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,500
enough attitude. 
He just tries so hard to make up

1083
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,400
for that even though he's 
amazing. 

1084
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:04,400
And that when it comes comes 
from people that are under 

1085
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,600
parented or abandoned when 
they're young by the parent or 

1086
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,000
feel abandons. 
It's Up For Debate. 

1087
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,000
What abandonment means, I think 
it's pretty clearly fair to call

1088
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,900
it the case here. 
So what that does in a person is

1089
00:55:17,908 --> 00:55:19,100
you have someone that works 
really hard. 

1090
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:24,600
Who's also really talented in 
his case that never satisfied 

1091
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,700
with their own level of success,
or like, yeah, everyone around. 

1092
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:29,300
You is telling you, You're great
and a part of you doesn't ever 

1093
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:32,400
accept it because, you know, 
that they were pumping you up as

1094
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,800
a kid to make up for your mom 
and dad being gone and to make 

1095
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,800
up for the unusual nature of Our
upbringing, and you may be as an

1096
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,300
adult, you still feel like there
are pandering to you that way. 

1097
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,800
And it just sticks with you 
forever. 

1098
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,200
You're just always trying to be 
better because you never think 

1099
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,700
you can be good enough and that 
leads to you being amazing at 

1100
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:55,100
the things you're good at, 
because you work so hard at it 

1101
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:58,300
and you're so constantly 
motivated and then your Pious on

1102
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:01,300
top of that with this Duty angle
throwing it at you. 

1103
00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:03,300
I mean this is no wonder. 
This guy is so good. 

1104
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:07,300
He had the talent but I got the 
impression he worked really hard

1105
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:11,200
at it too. 
A lot of times in that scenario,

1106
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,800
it's the type of thing where 
someone looks so successful but 

1107
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,700
they're not happy. 
Yeah, there are successful 

1108
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:18,700
because they work so hard, they 
try so hard. 

1109
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,800
So they gain these skills and 
and these accolades but they're 

1110
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,500
not happy. 
They're doing all this trying to

1111
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:26,000
find happiness and not. 
Yeah. 

1112
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,700
So and I think these were the 
piety comes in again. 

1113
00:56:28,700 --> 00:56:30,500
Is he would also be taught to be
humble. 

1114
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:34,000
He wouldn't be like even if he 
did recognize his own greatness,

1115
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,400
he would downplay it. 
He would never be like the I am 

1116
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,100
the greatest type of guy. 
Guy. 

1117
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:40,500
No, you wouldn't see him doing 
that. 

1118
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:44,700
Sort of, he would be the I what 
picture football, when someone 

1119
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:46,800
spikes the football and then 
they score a touchdown. 

1120
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,200
They're excited because they 
scored. 

1121
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,200
There was a player Barry 
Sanders. 

1122
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,200
You would just set the football 
down when he score. 

1123
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,300
He would make this amazing run 
Dodge like 12 people and it 

1124
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:56,000
would go and highlight film for 
the next 20 years. 

1125
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,700
And he would just set the ball 
down and go back ready for the 

1126
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:00,900
next play. 
Like super humble that that same

1127
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:03,800
in the dragonknight in my mind. 
He's the berries that we've 

1128
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,200
already made him Wayne Gretzky. 
Now, he's Barry Sanders, I feel 

1129
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,200
sorry for y'all who don't know 
anything about these Sports. 

1130
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,000
I'm very sorry, but just 
understand these were great 

1131
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,800
players. 
I think of Wayne Gretzky is a 

1132
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,400
famous quote man from the my 
quota. 

1133
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,500
Yeah. 
If you don't know the office or 

1134
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,100
Sports. 
Really, why are you even 

1135
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:23,300
watching this pie? 
Yeah. 

1136
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,800
Thrones y'all hello. 
So what you guys can talk about 

1137
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,200
Game of Thrones guess that later
reason. 

1138
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:32,700
So this is humility works for me
as a character trait for a man, 

1139
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,700
because happiness and joy. 
I don't know if those would work

1140
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:37,700
for him but humility, that's 
that already fits with the 

1141
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:40,000
piety. 
This is a boy to me who did a 

1142
00:57:40,008 --> 00:57:41,500
lot of growing up in his own 
mind. 

1143
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,000
A lot of the blood of his own, 
son of the growing up. 

1144
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,900
He did in his own head because 
he didn't have his parents 

1145
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:48,300
around to do that for him. 
And the one person he shared it 

1146
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,500
with though would have been his 
sister and she probably shared 

1147
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,600
it with him because they had so 
much in common. 

1148
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,400
They had that Bond. 
They were just close. 

1149
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:58,100
There's no other no better way 
to put it. 

1150
00:57:58,100 --> 00:57:59,600
They were closed, they shared 
things. 

1151
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,000
I get the feeling they prayed 
together a lot, and I don't mean

1152
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,600
that the euphemistic way. 
Like, when Renly a slore has to 

1153
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,700
stay behind and pray. 
I mean, like, they legitimately 

1154
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:08,500
prayed together. 
You guys gotta see this. 

1155
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:10,600
Save woman's. 
Anyone has seen the pay woman's?

1156
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,600
Yeah. 
If you have seen it, you know 

1157
00:58:12,607 --> 00:58:14,800
what I'm talking about? 
And this is exactly one of the 

1158
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,800
doomed aspects of their love. 
That's a, that's a fixates on 

1159
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,100
because the singers like to say 
that there was romance between 

1160
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:23,400
them or implies that they wanted
it to be the, we don't actually 

1161
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,100
know that for all we know 
narration Amon, never even 

1162
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:30,300
considered hooking up. 
They just had this, they were 

1163
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:32,600
Pious. 
They felt brotherly sisterly 

1164
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,100
about each other because that is
how most people would think of a

1165
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:36,500
brother. 
And sister, it's only because 

1166
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:40,200
they're targaryens that worry. 
In considering the opposite but 

1167
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,400
because they're targaryens, it's
not just a consideration. 

1168
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,800
It's not unlikely. 
And so many of the rumors are in

1169
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,900
that direction. 
But to be clear, there's no 

1170
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:53,000
evidence at all that they ever 
so much as kissed, it's purely 

1171
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,400
rumor. 
And a lot of those rumors were 

1172
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,200
started by their brother later 
in life for his own ends. 

1173
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:01,200
But also those stories caught 
on, because they catch the 

1174
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:06,600
attention of the romance novel 
minded, youngster, like Sansa 

1175
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,300
and the singers and storytellers
know that, So they write the 

1176
00:59:09,308 --> 00:59:14,200
story that way to catch the eye 
of a Sansa or a brand or whoever

1177
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,900
is reading these stories like or
an us or in the shade over Shawn

1178
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,700
and his he's you know, from that
brings us to again to love 

1179
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:23,900
versus Duty. 
One of the ultimate, A Song of 

1180
00:59:23,900 --> 00:59:26,400
Ice and Fire dichotomies one, 
shared by mainstream and, of 

1181
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,700
course, because he's the one, 
introduces its John. 

1182
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:32,100
Now, maester aemon and John are,
of course, both descendants of 

1183
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:35,200
aegon, the Unworthy unless you 
believe some of the rumors that 

1184
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,900
we shall discuss. 
Prince aemon, the dragonknight 

1185
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:41,400
had no And install unless you 
believe those very same rumors, 

1186
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:45,000
which case he's he is their 
ancestor directly. 

1187
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,800
But here's a quote from maester 
aemon. 

1188
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,500
Describing this very thing. 
My father was make our the first

1189
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:55,000
of his name and my brother aegon
reigned after him in my stead. 

1190
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,200
My grandfather named me for 
Prince, aemond the Dragon Knight

1191
00:59:58,300 --> 01:00:01,300
who was his uncle or his father 
depending on which tell you 

1192
01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:04,700
believe Amon, he called me. 
And that's a John, says 

1193
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,300
Targaryen. 
And, of course later you can be 

1194
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:11,800
like John Targaryen. 
Yeah, I like you too. 

1195
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,800
But this is this is a lot of 
irony here in need of points 

1196
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,600
out. 
Because a man says, what would 

1197
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,000
your father do? 
Like, my father, do the 

1198
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,000
honorable thing, no matter what 
and humans like, well, then your

1199
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,300
father is the rare one in 10,000
person that would choose duty at

1200
01:00:24,300 --> 01:00:26,800
Baba. 
You know, he should realize John

1201
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,100
that your father if he really is
that honorable is an extreme 

1202
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:32,300
exception. 
He's not normal, not saying you 

1203
01:00:32,308 --> 01:00:35,400
shouldn't think that's a good 
thing, but don't act like it's 

1204
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:42,400
normal and that's So ironic here
because aemon, the dragonknight 

1205
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:45,600
might be one of those other rare
occasions of one in 10,000 where

1206
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,800
they really are that honorable 
to like maybe a Ned Stark but 

1207
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,900
even a Ned Stark had its flaws 
and things. 

1208
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:52,900
He did that word. 
You could call dishonourable or 

1209
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:56,200
mistakes or what have you same 
as same for Raymond that Amon? 

1210
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:01,000
Loved Aries is very clear but 
again, Nina agrees that Can't go

1211
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,900
so far as to be sure that there 
was a romance. 

1212
01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:04,500
He was the only one that could 
make her laugh. 

1213
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,600
There was things that they 
shared that no one else would 

1214
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,000
understand the treatment by 
their brother made them made 

1215
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,000
them Bond because he treated 
them equally awful. 

1216
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,600
And no one else quite so 
uniquely that way because they 

1217
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,200
weren't his siblings. 
So, just a lot of things they 

1218
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,400
had common that no one else 
possibly could. 

1219
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:24,900
Let's talk about him becoming 
the Dragon Knight. 

1220
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:27,600
I've referred to him as that so 
far but of course he didn't have

1221
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,100
that nickname and so a little 
later we're not exactly sure 

1222
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:33,500
when he got the nickname but 
probably pretty early probably 

1223
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:36,600
as a teenager thinking about the
honor thing and dead. 

1224
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,400
And he's other characters that, 
you know, if honor is defined by

1225
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,200
how well you serve your king or 
how well you follow your vowels,

1226
01:01:45,500 --> 01:01:51,200
then I guess, net or a mon or 
maybe Jamie or whoever are 

1227
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:53,300
honorable. 
But like is it Which any of you 

1228
01:01:53,308 --> 01:01:55,300
thought I was more. 
Honorable, if you didn't kill 

1229
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,100
Ares, if you let Ares kill a 
bunch of innocent people then he

1230
01:01:58,100 --> 01:02:00,700
would have been more honorable 
people and to some people. 

1231
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:04,000
Yeah, some people know it. 
There's no one answer. 

1232
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,800
I think it's a nailed it it's in
the eye of the beholder. 

1233
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:11,200
You there is no, like Universal 
honor guide to refer to and I 

1234
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,600
think Heyman struggled with that
to, he probably very, very 

1235
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,000
honestly in his mind was like, 
what's the more which of my 

1236
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,300
duties takes precedence over the
others. 

1237
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:21,500
That's the thing that Jamie just
kind of edge. 

1238
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:23,700
Threw his hands up like, well, 
who I have all these duties. 

1239
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:26,100
I took all these those, which 
they contradict each other. 

1240
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,300
What am I supposed to do? 
Yeah. 

1241
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:28,900
Hey man. 
Primary you guys why this is 

1242
01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:31,900
interesting. 
I think George acknowledges that

1243
01:02:31,900 --> 01:02:35,300
and uses that constantly to tug 
Us in different ways and our 

1244
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:38,500
opinions in these characters and
a man had a different set of 

1245
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,700
Difficult to rank duties and 
loyalties that were different 

1246
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:44,900
from Jamie's different set of 
problems of different structure 

1247
01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:47,100
is similar, another piece of the
parallel. 

1248
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:51,000
We're talking about earlier to 
if we see, Jamie sees robber, 

1249
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:56,400
abusing Cersei a mans, he's egg 
on abusing their yes right? 

1250
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,400
Yes. 
What's honorable thing to do 

1251
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,500
here, protect my sister or 
follow the king's orders, or 

1252
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:04,900
wishes or whatever. 
Yeah, and for a egg on it you 

1253
01:03:04,908 --> 01:03:07,300
can see my wife might be even 
harder in some way or em and my 

1254
01:03:07,308 --> 01:03:10,100
people harder, some ways because
with Circe Yeah, it's Jamie's. 

1255
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:12,400
Sister Roberts, not his brother 
though. 

1256
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:14,800
So there's like what he has 
this, yes to be loyal to him 

1257
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,800
because he's the King's Guard 
and that's the Kings, that's 

1258
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,600
still really strong. 
I still really powerful to a 

1259
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,900
night especially Knight of the 
kingsguard, but for a man, it 

1260
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:23,400
would be tougher because that's 
also his family. 

1261
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,700
It's yes, it's the king and the 
King's Guard and his older 

1262
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:27,800
brother, which Westeros tells 
you have a duty to your older 

1263
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,600
brother and Jamie has his strike
against them that he's got to 

1264
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,400
make up for two. 
Yeah, right. 

1265
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,300
Like so if he hadn't killed are,
he's already think Larry's, they

1266
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:40,100
might all be dead anyway. 
But if he hadn't And maybe he 

1267
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:42,700
has some more leeway to stand up
to Robert, right? 

1268
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:45,200
Yeah. 
But since he's like barely being

1269
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,400
left alive, right? 
Like it. 

1270
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:49,900
There's like plenty of 
justification to had him 

1271
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:52,800
executed already and he wasn't. 
So I guess I just have to do 

1272
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,000
what the king says now. 
Yeah. 

1273
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:58,700
But I wonder frame on if maybe 
he had and who knows? 

1274
01:03:58,700 --> 01:04:00,500
Maybe he did. 
Maybe it going would have been 

1275
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:02,600
worse if not for him. 
I may be a mon, did put him in 

1276
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,100
check a couple times, maybe 
didn't quite make the history. 

1277
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,400
But I think that definitely did 
happen because there's a lot of 

1278
01:04:07,408 --> 01:04:09,300
evidence that a gun was worse 
after it. 

1279
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,700
And died because they gone 
outlived his brother very good. 

1280
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:14,300
Yeah, it was, he was looser with
his tongue and his accusations 

1281
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:17,400
after his brother died but we 
that won't come up to part two, 

1282
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,400
we're just now getting to his 
team's, his late teens. 

1283
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,200
This section is called the 
Dragon Knight and it starts with

1284
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,900
a quote, he was as robust as 
aegon as an infant and it's 

1285
01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:31,100
beautiful to look upon but his 
brothers, faults were not in 

1286
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:34,500
him, he proved the greatest 
jouster and swordsman of his 

1287
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:37,000
age. 
A night worthy to Bear dark 

1288
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,300
sister, he became known as the 
Good night for the three-headed 

1289
01:04:41,300 --> 01:04:46,600
dragon Crest rot and white gold 
Pawn, his Helm to this very day,

1290
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:51,000
some call him the noblest Knight
who ever lived and one of the 

1291
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,400
most storied names to ever serve
in the kingsguard. 

1292
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,900
So that gives us a clue. 
How when the nickname came about

1293
01:04:57,900 --> 01:05:01,100
it was after he joined the 
kingsguard because that Helm is 

1294
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:04,100
white gold. 
It sounds like his kingsguard 

1295
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:06,000
helmet helmet made for joining 
the king's guards. 

1296
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,100
That's probably where that 
happens. 

1297
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,600
The kingsguard. 
I'm supposed to be all flashy, 

1298
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,700
but this guy's a dragon. 
He'll he did the same thing, he 

1299
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:16,300
had the Lannister stuff, most of
them are supposed to be Pure 

1300
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:18,500
White without the with only a 
little bit of heraldry. 

1301
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:21,100
Like a lot of them have the 
cloak, the the clasp that gives 

1302
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:23,900
him a lot of subtle to me, but a
few other said, it like Oswald 

1303
01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:26,700
went apparently had this bat 
home, so maybe it's not as 

1304
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:30,000
uncommon as I'm saying, still 
it's a cool helmet. 

1305
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,800
It does, by the way, help place 
the time. 

1306
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,100
I guess I go like, when I, when 
we were first doing this 

1307
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:39,900
episode, I assumed he was the 
dragon eye because he Dragon. 

1308
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,900
Oh yeah, this time there are no 
dragons, right? 

1309
01:05:42,900 --> 01:05:45,800
So extensive, yeah. 
And in fact, that's a great 

1310
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,100
segue because what I've just 
written here in this part is a 

1311
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:50,800
man was growing up in a new era,
no longer could the targaryens 

1312
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,900
rely on their dragons? 
They may not have fully come to 

1313
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:57,100
grips with that. 
When a man was a young teenager 

1314
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:58,400
because they weren't all gone 
yet. 

1315
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,900
They were still a few dragons 
left but throughout a man's 

1316
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:02,900
youth. 
Those remaining few died at some

1317
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:07,300
point in the year 153, when a 
man was 17 the last one died 

1318
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:09,600
that year was really symbolic. 
Ali. 

1319
01:06:09,700 --> 01:06:13,100
The Last Dragon dying is 
momentous enough, but the family

1320
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:17,500
added several Milestones as well
in line with the new era which 

1321
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:21,600
was with the dragons dying out. 
The need to practice. 

1322
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,900
Incest took a big hit will see a
push back against that only to 

1323
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:27,700
have it returned. 
Only to have you push back 

1324
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:30,500
against only to have it returned
again, not all won't be covering

1325
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:32,400
this episode. 
That's like a long-term thing 

1326
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,300
like all the way up to the time 
of the Aires where it just kind 

1327
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:36,600
of goes back and forth with 
certain targaryens getting rid 

1328
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,000
of it and then others bringing 
it back. 

1329
01:06:38,100 --> 01:06:42,100
I thought Nia had a Good point 
here when she said that she was 

1330
01:06:42,100 --> 01:06:44,900
fascinated, by the way, the 
decline and gradual extinction 

1331
01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:48,700
of the Dragons during nerys in 
Damon's childhood, their 

1332
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:52,900
formative years might have 
influenced their own deep piety 

1333
01:06:52,900 --> 01:06:57,400
if you think about the doctrine 
of exceptionalism that hinges on

1334
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,800
their Mastery of dragons, and if
they don't have the dragons, why

1335
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,600
would they marry their siblings?
And why you just makes sense to 

1336
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,900
me that if they see the 
Targaryen power falling away 

1337
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:10,300
that they would grip onto pie? 
Petit and the Seven. 

1338
01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:12,500
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
You're totally right. 

1339
01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:16,000
And yeah, they don't have the 
dragons to say, this is the 

1340
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,500
proof from the powers-that-be, 
the deities, the gods that we 

1341
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:22,400
deserve to be in front. 
Well, if we don't have this Boon

1342
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,100
from the gods anymore, this huge
point of Separation. 

1343
01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:28,600
This things that elevates us. 
Well, we better get in line with

1344
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,300
the gods to the gods aren't 
blessing us thing on the 

1345
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:35,100
Conqueror was already doing that
but now they just goes it to 

1346
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:37,600
another level now that they 
don't have the dragons. 

1347
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,200
Yeah, good. 
Yeah, another thing. 

1348
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:44,000
Imagine it might have been 
risky, but some bold steps, 

1349
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,400
symbol religious leaders. 
Might have said private, at 

1350
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,600
least. 
Well, that's what you get for 

1351
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,300
being incestuous. 
Yes, your dragons are dying off 

1352
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:55,700
like that. 
You can see them like publicly 

1353
01:07:55,700 --> 01:08:00,900
or privately and maybe over time
or publicly blaming bad, things 

1354
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:04,500
the targaryens did for why your 
dragons are falling apart and 

1355
01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:08,100
even if they give their tongues 
chopped out for saying it, if 

1356
01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:11,600
aegon and heard it a couple, 
Times, you might wonder my get 

1357
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,600
in is to be a worm in his brain,
it takes over some of his 

1358
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,800
decision-making, this, you know,
which is why there's a, that's a

1359
01:08:17,808 --> 01:08:19,399
great point. 
And this is why there's a very 

1360
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:23,399
strong chance that Nares and 
Amon, never even considered 

1361
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:27,399
hooking up because this would be
against this new version of 

1362
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:31,300
Targaryen piety that was 
appropriate for this new era. 

1363
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:36,399
So for them to flaunt that would
be more than just two 

1364
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:37,899
targaryens. 
Hooking up which in the past 

1365
01:08:37,899 --> 01:08:39,200
would have been like they do 
that. 

1366
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:40,700
At, but this is. 
Yeah. 

1367
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:44,500
So there's a lot more against 
them doing it despite even 

1368
01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:50,100
beyond the lack of been proof, 
which is myself quite a bit Hey,

1369
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:52,899
got an Aries married early in 
the year, early, in the year 

1370
01:08:52,899 --> 01:08:55,300
153, she became pregnant around 
the third month of the year. 

1371
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:57,500
That's how you can be. 
Pretty sure that happened early 

1372
01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:59,399
in the year and less ice up 
together before the wedding, 

1373
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,899
which is pretty unlikely. 
Despite what kind of man egg on 

1374
01:09:02,899 --> 01:09:05,600
was we're given conflicting 
reports of what happened at the 

1375
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,000
wedding. 
Singers say both a man and 

1376
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,800
Nares. 
Cried historians, say nerys. 

1377
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,899
Cried during the bedding and 
Amon argued, with egg on during 

1378
01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:16,399
the feast, I would guess putting
two and two together. 

1379
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:19,000
The thing they argued about was 
the bedding. 

1380
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,500
Bedding is is awful for a lot of
people. 

1381
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:23,700
I mean there's some women that 
actually kind of like it because

1382
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:25,700
they get they get into the whole
party Spirit of it. 

1383
01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:29,700
But you can easily see why 
someone wouldn't an Aries is a 

1384
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:31,500
straight. 
Like I would bet a lot. 

1385
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:35,000
She would be in squarely in the 
no thanks category for this 

1386
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,700
tradition and a man would back 
her on that an egg on. 

1387
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:40,200
We like, nope, I'm doing it. 
This is the way I want to do it.

1388
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,399
This is my wedding, I'm doing 
what I want to do, and he 

1389
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:47,200
probably got very drunk. 
Because remember folks, that's 

1390
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,800
the order of things, the feast 
then, The bedding guarantee a 

1391
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,000
vague on was drunk. 
There was a feast before that. 

1392
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,400
So another thing for egg on and 
argue with his brother about 

1393
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,300
like don't be a jerk to our 
sister, be gentle and he's like,

1394
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,700
shut up brother. 
I'm gonna do what I want, you 

1395
01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:05,300
know, like, I could easily 
picture something like that 

1396
01:10:05,300 --> 01:10:09,000
happening and being like, Oh, 
There weren't any like blades 

1397
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,900
drawn type of fighting with an 
argument, nothing like that type

1398
01:10:11,900 --> 01:10:15,800
of level of dispute, but a man 
was showing the kind of man. 

1399
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,600
He was here standing up for 
those who couldn't help 

1400
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,700
themselves, even when there 
wasn't much you could do about 

1401
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:24,100
it, he still stood up. 
And if all he can do is argue, 

1402
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:26,500
he's going to argue if they can 
draws sword and fight, he's 

1403
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:28,600
gonna do that. 
So this is another reason Santa 

1404
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,900
liked him so much. 
He did. 

1405
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:33,300
What was right? 
According to the stories he did.

1406
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:36,500
What was right? 
He always kept his sister in 

1407
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,400
mind. 
He cherished her and protected 

1408
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,900
her and is sassa reading the 
story. 

1409
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:44,300
Santa's going to probably put 
herself in snare, Isa shoot us 

1410
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:46,400
when she's gonna have the most 
in common, with, in a scenario 

1411
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,000
like this, when she reads 
fluorine, and John Keel, she's 

1412
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,400
not picturing herself as 
Florian. 

1413
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,700
She's picturing herself as 
chunky heel, right? 

1414
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:55,900
So she's fixing herself is Nares
here, probably, and so, and 

1415
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:58,100
she's not picturing Joffrey as a
girl. 

1416
01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:00,400
She should Joffrey is a Monster.
Yeah. 

1417
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:02,400
That was like no you got that 
wrong. 

1418
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,700
And at the time, like, we 
weren't sure about Joffrey when 

1419
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:08,600
that line was spoken, either the
red flags were there but he 

1420
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,100
hadn't gone nearly off the deep 
end yet. 

1421
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,600
It's one thing to not be a great
hero. 

1422
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,500
It's another thing to be a 
terrible villain. 

1423
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:17,600
You don't assume some. 
There's something in the middle 

1424
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,600
that Joffrey could have been. 
Yeah, he looked bad but he 

1425
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,700
didn't look murderous and 
Psychopathic traits that point. 

1426
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:27,800
Yeah, but oops, he was yeah, 
which is also fairly true for 

1427
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:32,100
aegon though. 
Probably not true in this era 

1428
01:11:32,100 --> 01:11:34,100
aegon's murderer. 
This seemed to come out more 

1429
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:37,800
gradually, you just less and 
less restrained, especially as 

1430
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,400
more power, went to him. 
And of course this point, he was

1431
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,500
pretty far from the throne. 
All right, let's take a break 

1432
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:47,700
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1434
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,000
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It's kind of an interesting 

1435
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,800
thought. 
There's a lot of ways to improve

1436
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,400
the way. 
You look to look better. 

1437
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,800
Beauty standards though are 
different around the world. 

1438
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,300
What's considered handsome or 
beautiful, or good looking at 

1439
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:09,700
changes in some ways, depending 
on where you are, who you are, 

1440
01:12:09,700 --> 01:12:12,800
who you're with your culture, 
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1441
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:19,100
But I've never heard of a 
culture or Trend or a country 

1442
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:23,200
where white teeth were bad, 
where that's a negative, it 

1443
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,000
might not always be the best 
possible thing but it's pretty 

1444
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,800
much always a good thing. 
It's maybe the most universal 

1445
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,800
positive, maybe them should come
up with some other ones that are

1446
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,200
just as good. 
But in terms of basic things 

1447
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,000
like that, I really can't think 
of anything. 

1448
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,000
That's quite so simple. 
As white teeth equals good. 

1449
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,200
I mean certain Not even like 
muscle. 

1450
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,500
So you know certain cultures 
don't even want you know like 

1451
01:12:45,700 --> 01:12:49,600
bald looks good in some cultures
it looks bad and others and or 

1452
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,500
in halfway between is a lot of 
versions here, but really white 

1453
01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:54,000
teeth. 
It's just good. 

1454
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,500
Period Universal, simple. 
Here's interesting disease and 

1455
01:12:57,500 --> 01:12:59,800
medieval Japan. 
White teeth were considered 

1456
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,100
ugly, and women used to use 
routes and inks to stay in their

1457
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:06,200
teeth. 
Well, slap me blind and call me.

1458
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:11,200
So unless your medieval, yeah, 
there's always like beards 

1459
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,100
either. 
Well, look the history of 

1460
01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:19,800
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1461
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,800
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1462
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,500
obscure to find a counterexample
white teeth. 

1463
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:28,500
Almost always a good thing 99.9%
of the time. 

1464
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:34,000
So smile, brilliant has a lot of
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1465
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,300
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1466
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:39,500
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Now, I've been a little shy 

1467
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:42,800
about showing my pictures but 
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1469
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1472
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1473
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1474
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:01,500
But because if you do it, 
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1475
01:14:01,508 --> 01:14:03,300
notice that smile. 
Don't notice those white teeth. 

1476
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:05,400
And say, hey, look at that. 
That's cool. 

1477
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,000
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That person looks extra good 

1478
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,000
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1482
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Get it. 
You have a couple things for the

1483
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,500
chat last week. 
Sean, you want to do a dress 

1484
01:14:24,500 --> 01:14:27,500
cool? 
Yeah, for it devoted to Mariah, 

1485
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,800
she pointed out the idea that 
maybe weirwood trees or Undead 

1486
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:39,100
trees, that's kind of cool. 
Like fed blood have read, you 

1487
01:14:39,108 --> 01:14:43,000
know, faces that are kind of 
like the Hi early accurate. 

1488
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,200
It's a great way to conceive of 
it's like it works. 

1489
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,500
I like that's great. 
Paul pointed out Saturday 

1490
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:49,500
episode was on blood magic and 
something we just didn't even 

1491
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:53,300
touch on was The Faceless Men. 
Is that blood magic cutting off 

1492
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:55,100
faces and reusing them? 
I don't know. 

1493
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,200
Yeah, because like when re 
attach has the face to her it's 

1494
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,700
there's blood but it's 
disturbing would like they have 

1495
01:15:01,700 --> 01:15:03,700
to shift to cut her own face and
then emerges. 

1496
01:15:03,700 --> 01:15:07,900
So yeah, I think you could argue
that could be blood magic G 

1497
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,400
suggested that my drinks. 
Each week be called R is fizz. 

1498
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:15,500
Get that in. 
Well like it. 

1499
01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:19,000
Yes, yes, correct. 
And finally, another thought. 

1500
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,900
I think this also came from 
devoted former Activision's K. 

1501
01:15:21,900 --> 01:15:24,800
So, like, I don't know exactly. 
If I'm not going to say I could 

1502
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,800
quote her and I might have liked
taking them own Direction, 

1503
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,900
whatever. 
But just the idea that I made a 

1504
01:15:28,907 --> 01:15:31,800
joke about like hair matted like
what you're sacrificing things 

1505
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,200
for the sake of magic so it 
might be blood or if you burn 

1506
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,500
someone alive does that count 
and I joke that you know Danny 

1507
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,500
and the pyre hatch, the eggs 
might have been you know 60% 

1508
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:44,500
Fire magic. 30% blood magic and 
10% pyramids. 

1509
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:48,100
Yeah, she sacrificed her hair 
but the fact is it, she would 

1510
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:51,800
have looked bald and as a young 
girl, and my even in a blurry 

1511
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:57,000
vision, not been clearly. 
A girl, in fact, a vision of her

1512
01:15:57,300 --> 01:15:59,500
might have been mistaken for 
egg. 

1513
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,400
Someone having a vision of Danny
Hawk knows dragons, might have 

1514
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,500
thought, they were seeing egg 
and his shaved head as a young 

1515
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:09,600
boy, if they're on or someone 
else misinterpreted or Miss saw 

1516
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,300
with these units an object and 
that might have led to a egg 

1517
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:15,700
trying to set things on fire. 
That's right now that's 

1518
01:16:15,700 --> 01:16:17,800
fantastic. 
Fantastic idea because we've 

1519
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:22,700
definitely the idea of Prior 
targaryens dreaming of the egg 

1520
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:25,200
hatching ceremonial thing. 
It's them but really seeing 

1521
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,500
Danny that is, that idea has 
been around. 

1522
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:30,500
And I love that idea. 
They dreamt of something else. 

1523
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:32,200
They dreamt of Danny, and 
thought it was them. 

1524
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,300
And so they tried to fulfill 
what she did. 

1525
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,700
I never thought about how the 
missing hair would really add to

1526
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:40,400
the genderless or difficulty in.
Determining the gender, the 

1527
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,100
person but you Did that by 
throwing and how it does look 

1528
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:46,400
like egg who shaved his head. 
Maybe he'd shave his head when 

1529
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,800
he was King. 
That might be a flaw in it, but 

1530
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,800
still, but so I might have had 
the vision when he was young. 

1531
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:53,200
Okay. 
Are ya to win? 

1532
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,900
Egg was even if it grows up to 
have his hair in his mind, 

1533
01:16:56,900 --> 01:16:58,400
that's how his vision of a gap 
here. 

1534
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,600
Maybe eggs has the vision of 
vision himself and sees. 

1535
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,900
Okay, well that's still he sees 
himself even though the hair 

1536
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:06,000
thing might confuse him but he's
like well that's clearly me 

1537
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,600
because there's no hair and 
like, who else? 

1538
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:08,800
But other Targaryen could that 
be. 

1539
01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:12,000
So, yeah, even know if egg kept 
shaving. 

1540
01:17:12,100 --> 01:17:14,800
His head, I can imagine, no, we 
don't, he might have kept 

1541
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,800
shaving it. 
Well, if you did for fun, but I 

1542
01:17:16,808 --> 01:17:20,800
don't have a mux artwork of egg 
on the fifth shows him with hair

1543
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,200
and that was that was created in
consultation and has 

1544
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,000
descriptions from George for all
of them. 

1545
01:17:25,100 --> 01:17:28,000
So I'm pretty sure if I went to 
a mux notes that he's published 

1546
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,100
for it for that, for those 
characters that might have said,

1547
01:17:30,100 --> 01:17:31,900
that something be idea works out
as we said, no. 

1548
01:17:31,900 --> 01:17:36,900
But it doesn't. 
Yeah, white working Darren's. 

1549
01:17:36,900 --> 01:17:39,100
Yeah, for sure. 
But dinner and still could have 

1550
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:42,000
the vision because he's by the 
vision in his Youth and eggs. 

1551
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:43,400
I think that's a really good 
idea. 

1552
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,100
Very good catch. 
I like that a lot. 

1553
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:47,300
It's a detail. 
I hadn't considered bring this a

1554
01:17:47,308 --> 01:17:50,000
little closer to that. 
You say, you haven't considered 

1555
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,500
that theory. 
And I feel confident that if I 

1556
01:17:52,508 --> 01:17:56,200
went through the hundreds of 
hours of content, we have, you 

1557
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:00,500
have okay, honestly, thank you 
have, but I still like being 

1558
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:02,500
reminded because I think it's a 
brilliant idea. 

1559
01:18:02,500 --> 01:18:10,100
But I'm just like, you know, 
maybe you're right though, she 

1560
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:10,900
had that has happened a couple 
times. 

1561
01:18:10,900 --> 01:18:12,800
Are like someone says, I'm like,
well, that's A really good idea 

1562
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,200
and then I go back to one of our
old episodes. 

1563
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,000
Like I said that I didn't think 
of that too. 

1564
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,700
What has happened sometimes it 
takes a couple of considerations

1565
01:18:21,700 --> 01:18:24,900
to congeal. 
Yeah headcanon even. 

1566
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:27,400
Yeah, absolutely. 
I got knighting and kingsguard. 

1567
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,000
We know we don't know when he 
was knighted and we do and we 

1568
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,400
but we do know when he joined 
the king, joined the kingsguard.

1569
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:35,900
And it was all still and this 
same here of 153, well, not the 

1570
01:18:35,907 --> 01:18:38,300
knighting, but the King's Guard 
since he excelled at all forms 

1571
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:40,600
of nightly combat. 
From an early age, he was 

1572
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:45,100
winning tournaments as a Are we 
don't have any specifics but he 

1573
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:49,200
was probably knighted at like 15
or 16 very young, but not not, 

1574
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:53,400
the youngest ever which was 
Daemon blackfyre at age 12. 

1575
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,800
We do know that egg on the third
was big on, keeping the commons 

1576
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,300
occupied. 
You very famously, canceled, his

1577
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,400
coming-of-age party. 
When he turned 16, that they're 

1578
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,500
going to throw for him and told 
them to just give all the food 

1579
01:19:04,500 --> 01:19:05,700
to the commoners. 
He's like, I don't want this 

1580
01:19:05,700 --> 01:19:07,500
party, give it all to the 
comments. 

1581
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,800
That's going to be my rain bread
and so, did he go in the third? 

1582
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:14,200
You gonna dirty can't be knocked
up in my. 

1583
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:15,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1584
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,900
She sounds like a good job. 
Egg on the third. 

1585
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,400
Yeah. 
So decent chance. 

1586
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,700
You had a lot of tournaments 
because he was big on giving 

1587
01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:25,900
entertainment and spending on 
the commons, which would have 

1588
01:19:25,900 --> 01:19:30,300
given Amon, a lot of opportunity
to build his reputation, show 

1589
01:19:30,300 --> 01:19:33,400
off his skills, joust in front 
of people, which would, of 

1590
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:36,600
course also make egg on his 
brother a little Surly, perhaps 

1591
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,400
we know that he probably got 
dark sister before he joined the

1592
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,300
kingsguard. 
Daemon Targaryen Prince Damon 

1593
01:19:44,300 --> 01:19:46,100
from house. 
The dragon got dark sister at 

1594
01:19:46,100 --> 01:19:50,400
age 16 from Jerry's. 
The Old King I'm guessing it was

1595
01:19:50,407 --> 01:19:54,300
a very similar thing for Amon. 
A man turned 16 in the year 150 

1596
01:19:54,300 --> 01:19:56,400
to make could have been around 
men. 

1597
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:01,500
Maybe maybe your earlier, but 
his father's hand of the king, 

1598
01:20:01,700 --> 01:20:03,800
this King that he has some 
things in common with is in 

1599
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,300
charge. 
Hang on the third party, signed 

1600
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:08,700
off on it. 
But my head Canon is that it was

1601
01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:11,500
his dad's ideas. 
Like my son is a really good 

1602
01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:12,800
warrior. 
He's He's earned our sister. 

1603
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,000
Don't you think King and Kings 
like? 

1604
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:20,200
Yeah sure I can easily see him 
just shrugging and be like yeah 

1605
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:21,000
give it to him. 
Sure. 

1606
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:21,700
Yeah. 
He's earned it. 

1607
01:20:21,700 --> 01:20:23,500
Fine. 
What's next? 

1608
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,200
Moving on? 
You know I like that idea a lot 

1609
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,900
and viserys is the son of Damon.
So is his own dad that wielded 

1610
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:32,200
extra to so he would be even 
maybe more cognizant of this 

1611
01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:36,800
parallel between father and 
grandfather and Grand child here

1612
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:40,300
with him being in between little
bit of shades of Jaime and 

1613
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:43,500
Cersei here though, huh? 
You've got Jamie joined the 

1614
01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:46,200
King's Garden Parts. 
He could be near Cersei circe's 

1615
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:47,900
idea, but Jamie was like, oh 
yeah, good idea. 

1616
01:20:47,900 --> 01:20:49,700
And then it backfired because 
they're she had to go back to 

1617
01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:51,300
casterly rock, where Jamie would
have been. 

1618
01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:53,100
If he hadn't joined the King's 
Guard and Jamie had to stay in 

1619
01:20:53,100 --> 01:20:57,200
King's Landing was like, whoops,
and now you're stuck because you

1620
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:58,600
don't leave the kingsguard, 
right? 

1621
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,500
Even though Tywin wanted you to 
Bonita points out that it's even

1622
01:21:02,500 --> 01:21:07,600
closer to loras and Marjorie. 
Yes, the twin thing The Sibling 

1623
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,900
connection and rumors about 
romance, fits, Jaime and Cersei.

1624
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,800
Better. 
But Marjorie, entire Marjorie. 

1625
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,000
And loras may be closer to the 
actual truth because I believe a

1626
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,200
man in there, he's never hooked 
up and there's a good chance 

1627
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,400
they never even considered it 
Flores and Marjorie certainly 

1628
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:25,900
didn't either. 
Another factor is Loris, was had

1629
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:27,100
a little more choice about 
touring. 

1630
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:29,300
The kingsguard that's true. 
Jamie didn't really have a lot 

1631
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:31,200
of choice. 
That's, that's true as well. 

1632
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,500
Yeah, he was too naive to 
realize it or to think 

1633
01:21:33,500 --> 01:21:36,600
otherwise, but if you have been 
like not I want to I between 

1634
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,800
Tywin and the king. 
I don't know if I would have 

1635
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,400
felt, I would have been like 
yeah, I don't join the 

1636
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,800
kingsguard but yeah, they Right?
And Jamie was all stars in his 

1637
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,700
eyes. 
Like, yes, kingsguard! 

1638
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:46,300
Yes. 
That's what. 

1639
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:48,800
All the great Knights do I want 
to be, like, Arthur, Dayne and 

1640
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,100
aemon? 
The dragonknight, and this is 

1641
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:52,400
deaf. 
He, he almost certainly thought 

1642
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,000
about a man when he when he 
joined, especially, because of 

1643
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:59,200
the parallels here to Cersei in 
fact starts, you might have even

1644
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,100
brought his name up knowing that
her brother was saw that man as 

1645
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:07,300
a particular Idol or as a figure
to admire. 

1646
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:10,600
By the way, I think that was 
another note to another time 

1647
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,100
that he appeared was Jamie. 
Reading through the book, with 

1648
01:22:13,100 --> 01:22:15,000
the book of Deeds, is that what 
it's called? 

1649
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,800
The white book him. 
Yeah. 

1650
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,900
And he's like, I can't believe 
I'm in the same book as a mon, 

1651
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:23,700
the Dragon Knight. 
Yeah, I thought he had, yeah, he

1652
01:22:23,700 --> 01:22:26,500
really wants to second part of 
his life to be worthy of that 

1653
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:29,500
level of Knighthood. 
He's really come around on it. 

1654
01:22:29,900 --> 01:22:33,800
Jamie's went from naive to 
disillusioned to back into it. 

1655
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,700
He's like, well no I really 
should be a good night. 

1656
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:37,400
Like I really can be a good 
night. 

1657
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,600
Actually I'm inspired by brand. 
Yeah, totally and Amon but a 

1658
01:22:41,608 --> 01:22:43,700
name Is part of that 
inspiration, because a man is 

1659
01:22:43,700 --> 01:22:47,400
the one that provides that 
historic inspiration. 

1660
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,700
Like brienne's probably inspired
by him to maybe, not though. 

1661
01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:52,200
Maybe, I don't know what she 
thinks of him. 

1662
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:56,000
Like probably though because we 
found like nobody. 

1663
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,700
That doesn't think he's crazy 
either. 

1664
01:22:58,700 --> 01:23:00,500
They haven't weighed in or they 
think he's great. 

1665
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:04,200
Like I can't think of someone 
saying, actually, a man was that

1666
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,500
great, he was just an 
exaggeration, but back to loras 

1667
01:23:07,500 --> 01:23:10,200
and Marjorie Nina rights Loris. 
It's not just during the 

1668
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,900
kingsguard because the tyrol And
wanted Marjorie to have a 

1669
01:23:12,907 --> 01:23:15,700
protector against Joffrey which 
is part of the aspect. 

1670
01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:18,900
He Raymond, protecting his 
sister against their brother on 

1671
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,500
a personal level Loris was very 
much traumatized by the murder 

1672
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:23,500
of Renly. 
It's easy to imagine. 

1673
01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:25,800
Laura's is famous comment when 
the sun sets. 

1674
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,000
No, candle could replace which 
by the way we will be reading 

1675
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,500
shortly because he's saying that
there's never anyone who's going

1676
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:34,600
to love as much as that. 
So he's not giving up anything, 

1677
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,700
he's not giving up a future 
romance because to him that door

1678
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:41,500
is closed, the sun has set on 
that. 

1679
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,400
Maybe if Laura's were a little 
older, he wouldn't feel so 

1680
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,000
dramatic about it. 
He might be like, okay was my 

1681
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:53,800
first love I'm only 17 maybe you
know, but who am I to judge, who

1682
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,200
might say? 
That's how loras would feel 

1683
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:56,300
later. 
I don't know that. 

1684
01:23:56,300 --> 01:23:59,200
I think think about how Robert 
felt later, he was still hung up

1685
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,200
on Liana right? 
Good boy, good boy in a Min. 

1686
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,200
Probably never. 
I don't know if he was in love 

1687
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,300
with Mary's, but he certainly 
loved her and he may have been 

1688
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:10,800
in love with her and if that's 
the case, then yeah, he's not 

1689
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:11,800
going to ever. 
No one's ever. 

1690
01:24:11,900 --> 01:24:15,300
I'm going to hold a candle to 
that, so he's just going to be 

1691
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:19,800
with her in whatever way he can 
be rather than half-assing it 

1692
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,100
with some candle when the sun is
still shining, even if he can't 

1693
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:27,100
be this close to, with that son,
as he wants here, is that quote 

1694
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:31,900
from A Storm of Swords, this is 
loras and Tyrion 17 and 

1695
01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:35,700
beautiful and already a Legend, 
half the girls in the Seven 

1696
01:24:35,700 --> 01:24:40,000
Kingdoms, want to bet him and 
all the boys want to be him if 

1697
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,600
you will pardon my asking sir 
why would anyone choose to join 

1698
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,100
the Kings guard at 17 from same 
on the dragon? 

1699
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:50,200
I took his vows is 17. 
So Laura said and your brother 

1700
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,300
Jamie was younger still. 
I know their reasons what are 

1701
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:57,700
yours, the honor of serving 
besides such Paragons is Meryn 

1702
01:24:57,700 --> 01:25:02,400
Trant and Burrows, Blount. 
He gave the Mocking grin to 

1703
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,400
guard the King's life, you 
surrender your own. 

1704
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,900
You give up your lands and 
titles give up. 

1705
01:25:07,900 --> 01:25:11,900
Hope of marriage children house.
Tyrell continues through my 

1706
01:25:11,900 --> 01:25:15,600
brother's for Laura said, is not
necessary for third son to wed 

1707
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:19,500
or breed well necessary but some
find it Pleasant. 

1708
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,600
What of love. 
The sun has said no candle can 

1709
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,300
replace it, mmm, powerful stuff.
There syrians is truly trying to

1710
01:25:27,308 --> 01:25:30,600
get a reaction out of Loris, but
loras will not do. 

1711
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:34,200
Oh, anything to dishonor renly's
memory by speaking in anything, 

1712
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,100
but a grave tone. 
Speaking with severe severity, 

1713
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,800
only hold him in high regard. 
And I nerys didn't die, like 

1714
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,200
Renly. 
Well, she did but not like Renly

1715
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,600
and not till after Amon. 
But any chance they had a 

1716
01:25:45,608 --> 01:25:48,700
romance romance was dead. 
If it ever existed so that sun 

1717
01:25:48,700 --> 01:25:52,100
setting, this is very much a 
model for what a man, an Aries 

1718
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:54,500
might have been feeling. 
As you can see, there are huge 

1719
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:56,700
elements of both, these 
familiar, brother, sister queen 

1720
01:25:56,700 --> 01:25:59,600
kingsguard stuff going on, 
especially as you mentioned 

1721
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,400
before Sean with the A common 
element of Robert and aegon the 

1722
01:26:03,407 --> 01:26:07,600
fourth being so similar. 
So the king, although they gone 

1723
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,800
is a king yet, it's still the 
same. 

1724
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,600
It still works because he will 
be king with all these things. 

1725
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,300
People still around all these 
elements still in place that 

1726
01:26:14,300 --> 01:26:16,900
were sure about this but in my 
mind I'm kind of with you, I 

1727
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:21,200
don't think that you don't think
that same on and Nares had an 

1728
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,200
affair or whatever, but I'm not 
even sure they had romantic 

1729
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,200
love. 
Ya, I hear ya, I think that but 

1730
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:30,600
I do think that he might have 
joined the King's Guard or felt 

1731
01:26:30,700 --> 01:26:33,400
He needed to be on the kingsroad
whatever to keep his brother and

1732
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,400
check. 
The thing is, brother, ding 

1733
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,300
become king for quite a while 
after that. 

1734
01:26:38,300 --> 01:26:40,400
They're like, when we drew on 
the kingsguard, he wouldn't have

1735
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,100
been thinking, like, I need to 
stay close to aegon to keep him 

1736
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:44,300
in. 
Check that correct. 

1737
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:46,400
Oh, you're right. 
I'm re-evaluating my thoughts 

1738
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,700
right now that I think on wasn't
in the line of succession it 

1739
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:50,900
didn't look like he would ever 
be king so you're right so being

1740
01:26:50,900 --> 01:26:54,400
in the kingsguard would not what
might have in the short term it 

1741
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,900
would have done the opposite of 
the Jaime Cersei thing where 

1742
01:26:56,900 --> 01:26:59,800
would take him away. 
Take him away from his sister 

1743
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,800
because he would be going. 
Guard the king and the King's 

1744
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:06,800
children, not the Kings nephews 
and nieces, which they are 

1745
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,500
important too, but they're far 
less importance. 

1746
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:10,100
Oh yeah. 
His duties would be more about 

1747
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,900
an egg on the third, and then 
young Darren and young bail or 

1748
01:27:14,500 --> 01:27:18,700
where we're physically would aim
on and Nares and aegon have been

1749
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:20,400
living. 
What they were thinking Landing 

1750
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,600
or Dragonstone her. 
Yeah, right. 

1751
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,400
Keep okay. 
Their father was the prince of 

1752
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:25,600
Dragonstone because he was for a
while. 

1753
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:30,100
He was the air until Hague on 
the third had his own kids but 

1754
01:27:30,100 --> 01:27:31,900
viserys was Hand. 
So he didn't live at 

1755
01:27:31,900 --> 01:27:33,500
Dragonstone, he was had to live 
with the red. 

1756
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:35,700
Keeps his kids, probably live to
the red keep to, and we know 

1757
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:38,600
they train together, so it's a 
good question, but it seems like

1758
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,500
Dragonstone was kind of empty in
this era because they're just 

1759
01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:44,500
there was no Targaryen residing 
there and Dragons. 

1760
01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:47,200
Yeah, I mean, there were a 
couple of dragons but by 153 

1761
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:48,700
there, weren't by the time of 
this wedding. 

1762
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:50,500
Like I said, the last dragon 
died the same year. 

1763
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:53,400
This wedding symbolic way to 
kick off this new era, even more

1764
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:57,000
by having Dragon died, a man 
joins the kingsguard egg on an 

1765
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:58,000
Aries. 
Get married. 

1766
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,100
He did join the Kings guard 
before they got married. 

1767
01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:00,600
No. 
Right? 

1768
01:28:01,300 --> 01:28:04,500
Right after they got married, 
pretty clearly connected by. 

1769
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:07,300
Okay, these two were married. 
There's no other sibling for you

1770
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:09,000
to marry. 
You could join the kingsguard. 

1771
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,100
They could have had it marry one
of his cousin's though. 

1772
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,600
Because remember, by this time, 
they were all born. 

1773
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:18,700
They had had Elena Reina and 
Dana had all been born. 

1774
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,600
So there were three Target. 
Every single girls to we're 

1775
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,400
still young though, right? 
Yeah, but not out of not the 

1776
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,500
kind of young that I mean. 
Thank you, Sylvia betroth. 

1777
01:28:26,500 --> 01:28:29,100
Even if they were, like 10 years
younger than a man, like, that's

1778
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:31,000
not a like to them. 
That's A big deal. 

1779
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,900
They would just wait until he 
they were older or something 

1780
01:28:32,900 --> 01:28:35,000
especially cuz they were so many
kids coming around. 

1781
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:39,300
They wouldn't have been in a 
rush but he was dutiful and so 

1782
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:41,900
good with the sword I guess. 
Yeah. 

1783
01:28:41,900 --> 01:28:44,200
They we don't know which 
specific numbers encouraged him 

1784
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,400
towards this. 
And another hero how much he was

1785
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,500
from earlier that there was a 
formative kingsguard that helped

1786
01:28:50,500 --> 01:28:51,600
raise. 
Amen. 

1787
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,400
And he was in fire figure lying 
because of a father figure. 

1788
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,300
I gave you some know that 
kingsguard was, but I think that

1789
01:28:57,300 --> 01:29:00,600
seems like what I believe. 
I like that idea a lot. 

1790
01:29:00,700 --> 01:29:03,000
It's definitely like nothing we 
can point to as a certainty 

1791
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:04,600
because there's just no names 
given here. 

1792
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,400
But it's it works so well. 
And it's a good idea. 

1793
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,700
I think about like in House of 
the Dragon seeing criston Cole, 

1794
01:29:10,700 --> 01:29:14,700
fill that role for those young 
boys and like, yeah, I just see 

1795
01:29:14,700 --> 01:29:17,300
it play out and like, yeah, of 
course these people that are 

1796
01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:18,500
gonna be around them all the 
time. 

1797
01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:21,500
We're going to play nursemaid 
fact Nanny at some point and 

1798
01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:24,300
train them and later, Pike, 
they're gonna be so close to 

1799
01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:25,600
them. 
It just makes sense. 

1800
01:29:26,300 --> 01:29:28,600
Yeah, I like that idea a lot. 
That's not one of the ideas that

1801
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,700
either Nina, or I had I love. 
I love that y'all and started 

1802
01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:35,700
this year, it's really well 
headcanon until I hear otherwise

1803
01:29:36,100 --> 01:29:37,500
George. 
If you're listening put that in 

1804
01:29:37,500 --> 01:29:42,200
Fire and Blood, you know, he's 
not listening he even gets the 

1805
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,400
name of the Lord Commander. 
I'm gonna be like, that's 

1806
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,600
clearly that's the guy. 
One name is like will latch 

1807
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,300
onto. 
Yeah, not there won't be more 

1808
01:29:51,300 --> 01:29:54,200
comparisons between Jamie 
Morrison Damon, but just to 

1809
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,300
round up I got extremely high 
Barn. 

1810
01:29:56,500 --> 01:29:58,400
All three of them are really 
handsome and super talented, 

1811
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,400
like generationally, talented 
night 8:00, Really young. 

1812
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,700
Join the kingsguard extremely 
young like teenagers and all 

1813
01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:08,100
three cases. 
Joining the kingsguard went 

1814
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:11,100
beyond simply being a great 
warrior, there was a other 

1815
01:30:11,100 --> 01:30:14,200
reasons generally to do with 
their family, right? 

1816
01:30:14,300 --> 01:30:16,700
So family and or political 
reasons. 

1817
01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:19,200
Yeah. 
On fighting prowess or loyalty 

1818
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,800
which also is maybe more of a 
standard than fighting prowess. 

1819
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,000
True. 
So lots of stuff there there and

1820
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:29,000
like you said, all Three 
Brothers suit was a sister 

1821
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,200
Queen, even if again a man 
Didn't join when she was Queen 

1822
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,600
yet but still. 
Yep, they all had that 

1823
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,400
experience. 
Yeah, it's pretty different like

1824
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,500
different different versions of 
a similar song. 

1825
01:30:40,500 --> 01:30:42,300
Like These Are cover cover 
songs. 

1826
01:30:42,900 --> 01:30:44,200
Different makes three different 
bands. 

1827
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,400
Yeah, Nina right. 
Same as choice to join the 

1828
01:30:46,407 --> 01:30:48,400
kingsguard. 
Probably also had viserys is 

1829
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,300
full approval by 153 egg on the 
third had secured the 

1830
01:30:51,300 --> 01:30:54,100
succession, the two sons, and 
there was no reason to believe 

1831
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:56,600
that. 
Neither of those Sons would have

1832
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,500
sons of their own. 
As it turns out, neither of 

1833
01:30:59,500 --> 01:31:02,100
those Sons had sons of there. 
But there was no reason to think

1834
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:04,800
that at the time especially when
there were also three daughters 

1835
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,000
to marry them to which that 
didn't happen either. 

1836
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:10,200
But hey, they couldn't have seen
that coming. 

1837
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,400
Viserys had lived through the 
dance and he had every reason to

1838
01:31:13,407 --> 01:31:16,200
know that overly large Royal 
dynasties could bring dissension

1839
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,900
and disaster like this idea. 
A lot mean is basically 

1840
01:31:18,900 --> 01:31:23,200
suggesting the powers-that-be 
maiming, the Sarah's hand maybe 

1841
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,500
egg on the third King agreeing 
to this. 

1842
01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:28,100
Maybe it was even his idea. 
They were like we got to make 

1843
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:30,100
sure there aren't too many 
Targaryen pairings here. 

1844
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:35,000
That's Why they didn't marry a 
man to Elena or Dana or Rana is 

1845
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:38,500
because they didn't want to 
create the conditions for 

1846
01:31:38,508 --> 01:31:40,200
another dance of dragons where 
they're just too many 

1847
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:41,800
targaryens. 
Who many Targaryen children? 

1848
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:44,800
Yes, there'll be no dragons this
time and that's a severe 

1849
01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:47,900
detriment to the war happening, 
which that's a good thing, but 

1850
01:31:47,900 --> 01:31:49,700
still, they're not gonna take 
any chances. 

1851
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:53,700
These are young young people who
lived through a traumatic War. 

1852
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:57,800
They're not necessarily going to
look at it is with hard ruthless

1853
01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:59,100
logic. 
There's gonna be a lot of 

1854
01:31:59,100 --> 01:32:01,400
emotion behind it not going to 
Don't want to get themselves in 

1855
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,300
any situation. 
That feels like it's heading 

1856
01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:07,900
towards another civil war, so 
there's going to be intelligence

1857
01:32:07,900 --> 01:32:10,600
but also trauma Behind these 
decisions. 

1858
01:32:10,700 --> 01:32:13,200
So viserys might have looked at 
it and been like, hmm. 

1859
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:16,900
Three, different Targaryen 
male-female, pairings. 

1860
01:32:17,100 --> 01:32:19,700
That's too much. 
Let's cut that down to two and 

1861
01:32:19,700 --> 01:32:24,400
have him join the kingsguard. 
You could see why this was very 

1862
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:29,200
engineered, very carefully 
suggested to the different 

1863
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,300
Targaryen children, like they 
were pushed in a certain 

1864
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:33,700
direction. 
May be incentivized certain 

1865
01:32:33,700 --> 01:32:38,200
ways, maybe goaded maybe, who 
knows, but I don't think it was 

1866
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,300
taken lightly Castle it. 
Yeah. 

1867
01:32:40,300 --> 01:32:42,900
Yeah, I written here. 
It's a topic that's worth a 

1868
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:44,200
deeper look. 
Some other time that the 

1869
01:32:44,208 --> 01:32:46,700
targaryens were looking to avoid
the conditions that led to 

1870
01:32:46,700 --> 01:32:48,600
dance. 
And that, what did they do to 

1871
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,000
prevent it a second time? 
They didn't because there was a 

1872
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,000
large fire rebellions so they 
really whatever they did. 

1873
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,900
Well, they got aegon the 
Unworthy in charge and they just

1874
01:32:56,900 --> 01:32:59,400
couldn't stop whatever things 
they would have tried to do to 

1875
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,500
prevent it. 
He just At the opposite, he 

1876
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,700
specifically did the things that
you would want to do if you 

1877
01:33:04,700 --> 01:33:07,300
wanted to make another dance. 
You do one egg on the Unworthy 

1878
01:33:07,300 --> 01:33:09,400
did. 
So yeah, that didn't work out. 

1879
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:12,100
So great. 
When other X Factor we have to 

1880
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,100
account for, and all this. 
Now is the potential of 

1881
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,100
decisions being driven by 
prophecies by Dreams. 

1882
01:33:18,100 --> 01:33:20,300
Yeah, very good morning. 
Hmm. 

1883
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,100
So am I just had some Vision 
that am on is going to save the 

1884
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:25,400
king. 
All right. 

1885
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:29,300
Well, he better be on a 
kingsguard, you know, like and 

1886
01:33:29,300 --> 01:33:32,800
he ends up saving bail or ever. 
So, yeah, I could go on and on, 

1887
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,200
do you? 
But you could see the types of 

1888
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:36,400
things that someone might have 
had in a vision that made them 

1889
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,000
believe that this couple needed 
to get married or this person 

1890
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,400
needs to be on the kingsguard or
whatever else. 

1891
01:33:41,500 --> 01:33:45,700
And you can also see if you look
at the viserys Damon rhaenyra 

1892
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,900
Triad that caused so much 
conflict within itself. 

1893
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,900
A lot of it driven by Damon some
people on the outside. 

1894
01:33:52,900 --> 01:33:57,000
Might look at Hague on nari 
Saint Damon and be like all the 

1895
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,200
parallels between Amon and Amon 
and be like a, he's a Young 

1896
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,400
Band. 
Last night with dark sister, we 

1897
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,900
don't want that to happen again.
Like a man is nothing like Damon

1898
01:34:05,900 --> 01:34:09,300
personality-wise skill-wise. 
There's some comparisons, but 

1899
01:34:09,300 --> 01:34:11,500
temperament wise not too much, 
but that, but they didn't 

1900
01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:15,000
necessarily know that when he's 
a five-year-old like, well, 

1901
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,100
maybe he'll get more violent, 
they can't again, they don't 

1902
01:34:18,100 --> 01:34:21,200
take chances. 
You can't back out of a marriage

1903
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,500
when they've already got kids 
look like, oh well actually. 

1904
01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:26,900
This marriage was a mistake, so 
we're going to undo it, send 

1905
01:34:26,900 --> 01:34:29,200
your children to the wall, you 
know, in their babies at, you 

1906
01:34:29,208 --> 01:34:31,900
know, they can't do that. 
Here's what we got to flip it a 

1907
01:34:31,900 --> 01:34:37,500
little bit though. 
We as detailed thorough readers 

1908
01:34:37,500 --> 01:34:41,400
of A Song of Ice and Fire have 
had plenty of criticisms of the 

1909
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:45,300
institution of the kingsguard 
and how its shelters some of the

1910
01:34:45,308 --> 01:34:47,900
worst behavior. 
Because when the king is great 

1911
01:34:48,300 --> 01:34:50,200
kingsguard, Protecting them. 
That's a great thing. 

1912
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,400
When the king is awful, they're 
protecting an awful person in 

1913
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,700
the hell and enabling this awful
Behavior King. 

1914
01:34:55,700 --> 01:34:58,800
Aerys best example, we have 
because of how close in history 

1915
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:02,900
it is, but later in history, in 
this story, it's going to become

1916
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:07,300
nearly the same problem with a 
different type of villain with 

1917
01:35:07,300 --> 01:35:08,900
when aegon the Unworthy becomes 
king. 

1918
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,100
So, how much are we going to put
that on a man? 

1919
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:16,200
At this point, he's naive like 
Jamie was. 

1920
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,500
It's hard to like blame him for 
it. 

1921
01:35:17,500 --> 01:35:20,400
But later in life, thing to keep
in mind, are we gonna hold him 

1922
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,700
responsible for not standing up 
to his brother more? 

1923
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:25,900
Are we going to say like we hold
Jamie in regard. 

1924
01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:27,100
We say Jamie did the right 
thing. 

1925
01:35:27,100 --> 01:35:29,000
I think most of us, think Jamie 
did the right thing by killing 

1926
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:30,800
Ares. 
If not the overwhelming majority

1927
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,200
of us thinking Jamie did the 
right thing, Westeros is not. 

1928
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,700
So sure about that though. 
So the pressures are very 

1929
01:35:36,700 --> 01:35:38,600
different the social pressures 
very different name is in a 

1930
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,400
similar spot. 
He's a kingsguard. 

1931
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,900
That Val that. 
Oh, that means so much and it's 

1932
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:45,700
not just a nose for the king, 
it's an oath to the gods. 

1933
01:35:45,900 --> 01:35:48,800
These things are all wrapped up 
in the religion and the piety as

1934
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:50,900
well. 
Like Knighthood isn't your 

1935
01:35:50,900 --> 01:35:55,200
anointed in the oils. 
You do your vigil to the faith? 

1936
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,100
It's all very religious. 
Is he going against the gods? 

1937
01:35:59,500 --> 01:36:03,200
It's not just the same as well. 
What's being a good human here? 

1938
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:07,700
So we struggle with this because
vows in this era are nothing 

1939
01:36:07,700 --> 01:36:10,400
like boughs in our area. 
They take them. 

1940
01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:14,100
I'm way more seriously and 
people feel more bound to them. 

1941
01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:17,100
For most things, you know, I'm 
of course making averages here, 

1942
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:19,900
there are still people who take 
vows very seriously in modern 

1943
01:36:19,900 --> 01:36:23,000
times, but I think it's safe to 
safe and fair to say that 

1944
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,200
Westeros they were more 
meaningful. 

1945
01:36:25,900 --> 01:36:30,200
There's other little factors to 
like the King's Guard or maybe a

1946
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:34,500
little closer to the king and 
the happenings of the government

1947
01:36:34,500 --> 01:36:37,300
and also, the Kings can 
potentially do worse things. 

1948
01:36:37,300 --> 01:36:39,300
I'm just in my mind, I'm 
wondering about like the Secret 

1949
01:36:39,300 --> 01:36:40,400
Service. 
Do we hold? 

1950
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,300
Secret Service responsible 
because the president went to 

1951
01:36:43,300 --> 01:36:45,900
war or some policy here that we 
don't like or something like 

1952
01:36:45,900 --> 01:36:47,800
that. 
Is it a secret services for were

1953
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:51,200
they supposed to assassinate him
or like lock him in his room so 

1954
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,300
he couldn't sign that bill or 
whatever. 

1955
01:36:53,300 --> 01:36:55,000
I don't know. 
I feel like the Secret Service 

1956
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,900
isn't institution this 
protecting the president and the

1957
01:36:57,900 --> 01:37:00,800
things the president does are 
hurtful not ticket services for 

1958
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:05,000
a little bit but I already 
curious. 

1959
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,700
If they're what situations have 
been. 

1960
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:09,700
We're like a president beat his 
wife in front of the freaking 

1961
01:37:09,700 --> 01:37:11,600
Secret. 
Isis or if it said brother was 

1962
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,600
going to push a button that 
would blow up a city here like 

1963
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,800
launch nuclear winter. 
Like especially if you didn't 

1964
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,700
have a congress's approval and 
that I think like in maybe you 

1965
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:23,100
should bring in the circuits, 
there was laying the Secret 

1966
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:24,700
Service. 
You remember the movie Hunt for 

1967
01:37:24,708 --> 01:37:26,900
Red October, right? 
That was Loosely based on 

1968
01:37:26,900 --> 01:37:29,000
something that really happened. 
There was a Russian sub 

1969
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:32,200
Commander that refused nuclear 
orders to launch has nukes. 

1970
01:37:32,900 --> 01:37:35,500
If he had interviews that order,
the world we live in right now, 

1971
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:38,600
be very different. 
So there is almost a modern and 

1972
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,000
that's me. 
That's about a supposed to be. 

1973
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,400
Yeah, he did. 
He didn't kill whoever. 

1974
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,400
The Russian Premier was ordering
to do that at the time. 

1975
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:47,300
Obviously, he's in a sub, he 
couldn't have but he reveals 

1976
01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:50,400
like not we got to be sure. 
He's like we gotta be really, 

1977
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:51,900
absolutely 100% sure and we're 
not. 

1978
01:37:51,900 --> 01:37:55,100
So now I'm not launching nukes 
and good-for-nothing today and 

1979
01:37:55,100 --> 01:37:58,400
thank you that in the military 
even like at a low level like 

1980
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,800
Sergeant or, you know, Captain 
tell him privates to, you know, 

1981
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,200
attack some Hill or execute 
prisoners or something like 

1982
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,900
that. 
Soldiers are expected to do the 

1983
01:38:06,900 --> 01:38:08,900
morally, correct thing. 
Yeah, they're giving him or 

1984
01:38:08,900 --> 01:38:10,300
orders. 
They're expected to not fall. 

1985
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,800
Gue follow orders, but not 
immoral orders. 

1986
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:13,900
Yeah, yeah, Jeremy. 
I know. 

1987
01:38:13,900 --> 01:38:16,100
Germany went through a lot of 
that after WWII. 

1988
01:38:16,100 --> 01:38:17,100
Yeah particular. 
Yeah. 

1989
01:38:17,700 --> 01:38:22,500
It could also are you and this 
world that what the king does is

1990
01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:26,200
moral that he defines morality 
that God's our sister, who's 

1991
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:26,800
him? 
Yeah. 

1992
01:38:26,900 --> 01:38:29,100
And he can again sometimes 
president is trying to claim 

1993
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:32,100
that to that like I can't do 
something illegal because under 

1994
01:38:32,100 --> 01:38:33,700
President. 
Yeah I don't buy that Orion. 

1995
01:38:33,700 --> 01:38:37,400
Yes, sir from Kings or president
but a king is closer to being 

1996
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,800
right than a president on that 
argument there boss. 

1997
01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:42,600
Wrong. 
But never people under a king or

1998
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,300
more likely to look at it that 
way. 

1999
01:38:44,300 --> 01:38:46,800
Yes, yes, absolutely. 
So, it's true. 

2000
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,600
Like I agree with the they were 
too naive to know what they were

2001
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:50,600
doing. 
When they join the kingsguard 

2002
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,500
argument. 
Specially, considering the three

2003
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:55,300
people were most talking about 
were so young, Jamie Loris. 

2004
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:58,000
And Amon yet. 
Jamie yuccas Army are probably 

2005
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,300
too naive to know what they're 
doing this. 

2006
01:38:59,300 --> 01:39:02,000
And Jamie was like, 50. 
So it's like glue. 

2007
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,400
Yeah, even even more. 
So they think they're joining to

2008
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:07,100
help. 
What they're actually signing up

2009
01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:10,300
to do is they're taking a vow to
not interfere. 

2010
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,300
Here, with the very thing, they 
most wanted to stop because 

2011
01:39:13,300 --> 01:39:18,200
they've signed away their rights
to be a heroic, a hero when the 

2012
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,100
realm most needs it Jamie 
decided to do it anyway. 

2013
01:39:21,100 --> 01:39:23,100
He's like, yeah, no, I'm gonna 
still, he didn't think of 

2014
01:39:23,108 --> 01:39:26,800
himself as a hero in the realm 
certainly didn't but we do, I 

2015
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,300
think most of us like that, even
if Jamie isn't hero, that act 

2016
01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:33,000
was heroic? 
Yeah, I think most of us will 

2017
01:39:33,008 --> 01:39:36,700
ya. 
And so you're doomed to you've 

2018
01:39:36,700 --> 01:39:42,400
doomed yourself with a vow. 
To defend and justices that you 

2019
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,900
thought you were signing up to 
stop. 

2020
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,500
It's like the soldier can't be 
sign up to be a soldier and you 

2021
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:50,900
think you're going to go out in 
the world and kill bad guys, but

2022
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:52,700
you are ordered to kill good 
guys. 

2023
01:39:52,700 --> 01:39:54,500
And you're like, wait, are we 
the baddies? 

2024
01:39:54,500 --> 01:39:59,200
And yeah, yes, I P. 
Yeah, I peep showed for you 

2025
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:03,300
there. 
So here's the quote, from A 

2026
01:40:03,308 --> 01:40:08,800
Storm of Swords where Jamie 
really realizes that. 

2027
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,800
What he signed up for is that 
and dilemma, dilemma that 

2028
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:17,200
conundrum that suffering. 
A king has no secrets from his 

2029
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:20,900
kingsguard relations, between 
Aires and his Queen had been 

2030
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:23,500
strange during the last years of
his Reign. 

2031
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,400
They slept apart and did their 
best to avoid each other during 

2032
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,700
the waking hours. 
But whenever Aires gave a man to

2033
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:32,500
the Flames. 
Queen rhaella, would have a 

2034
01:40:32,500 --> 01:40:35,900
visitor in the night. 
The day, he burned his Mason 

2035
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:40,300
dagger hand, Jamie and John 
Derry had stood at guard outside

2036
01:40:40,300 --> 01:40:43,900
her bedchamber whilst the king 
took his pleasure. 

2037
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:46,800
You're hurting me. 
They had heard rela cry through 

2038
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,200
the open door. 
You're hurting me in some queer 

2039
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:53,700
way that had been worse than 
Lord shall stood screaming. 

2040
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:56,000
We are sworn to protect her as 
well. 

2041
01:40:56,100 --> 01:41:00,900
Jamie had finally been driven to
say we are dairy allowed but not

2042
01:41:00,900 --> 01:41:04,800
from him roof, and that makes 
Dairy sound really cold but 

2043
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,800
dairies probably had the same 
moment of realization, 20, 30 

2044
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:11,700
years before and he's just like 
had to switch his heart off to 

2045
01:41:11,700 --> 01:41:14,400
deal with it or he is that crew.
I don't know. 

2046
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,500
I'm just saying like I don't And
I'll make any assumptions about 

2047
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:17,900
Barry there. 
Yeah. 

2048
01:41:17,900 --> 01:41:20,300
He may have been Jamie 20 years 
before and then same thing like 

2049
01:41:20,300 --> 01:41:23,700
wait, not realizing what he'd 
gotten into and you see the 

2050
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:25,200
Nobles, I just joined this 
institution. 

2051
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:28,000
Hey, all these guys who were 
considered the the most noble, 

2052
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,700
the best, they join this 
institution. 

2053
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:32,400
So why would they ever even 
question it? 

2054
01:41:32,500 --> 01:41:36,400
Until it's too late. 
Yeah, I do Wonder though. 

2055
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,200
You say they don't have any 
choice like the choice, they 

2056
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,800
have might require sacrificing 
their own life. 

2057
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:47,000
Yeah but I think they do like 
Jamie could have busted in that 

2058
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:51,300
bed chamber instead areas in the
back, while he's in the middle 

2059
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:55,100
of having sex, he could have 
done any good and he almost 

2060
01:41:55,100 --> 01:41:57,800
certainly gets executed for that
John Derry might come in and 

2061
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:02,200
fight him and maybe Jamie like 
beat Oklahoma City and is on the

2062
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:05,700
run. 
But I don't know if that is a 

2063
01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:09,200
better way to serve Justice, or 
honor his vows, or where he 

2064
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,000
would have gone as a hero, but 
he does have that choice and 

2065
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,200
maybe even a better choice would
be to lay out the accusation in.

2066
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:18,000
Where again, he might get 
executed for it, but at least 

2067
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,800
more people are suddenly aware 
of it or more likely to stand up

2068
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:24,300
like he did, I'm not sure. 
And I don't necessarily 

2069
01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:27,900
condemned Jamie or whoever for 
this but I also I just want to 

2070
01:42:28,300 --> 01:42:30,800
point out that angle that it's 
not completely true. 

2071
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:32,000
They had no choice. 
Okay. 

2072
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:32,700
Yeah. 
That's true. 

2073
01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:34,900
Algorithm Korean no choice, no 
chance. 

2074
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:38,700
Yeah, might he has no chance of 
surviving standing up to areas 

2075
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:41,900
for this Injustice. 
Neither were Korean and Brianna 

2076
01:42:41,900 --> 01:42:43,600
would have done it anyway. 
Yeah, maybe that's what the 

2077
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,100
laughter. 
Maybe that's the lesson that 

2078
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:46,700
Jamie should have taken then. 
Yeah. 

2079
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:49,900
Jamie learning that extremely 
rotten. 

2080
01:42:49,900 --> 01:42:52,900
Truth is very likely applies to 
a man in some way. 

2081
01:42:52,900 --> 01:42:56,100
Like some point, he may have had
similar realizations about what 

2082
01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:59,100
he'd really signed up for about 
what this really means it 

2083
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:03,600
wouldn't have been early on 
perhaps because of unlike Jamie 

2084
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:08,300
he wasn't kingsguard to a rotten
King right away that came later 

2085
01:43:08,300 --> 01:43:11,100
or for Jamie that was pretty 
much where he started and 

2086
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:13,900
continued because Robert was 
pretty rotten and he took over 

2087
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:16,500
after Ares. 
Cuz ya frame in the 

2088
01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:19,100
circumstances were more gradual.
His brother was going in that 

2089
01:43:19,108 --> 01:43:21,300
direction, but his brother 
wasn't king and didn't look like

2090
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:23,400
he would be. 
So he went from being may be 

2091
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:27,800
naive about Knighthood to 
joining the King's Guard and his

2092
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,300
disillusionment a little harder 
to track than Jamie's, but I'm 

2093
01:43:30,300 --> 01:43:33,600
guessing it was similar and 
maybe even come back around. 

2094
01:43:33,700 --> 01:43:35,500
Like it did with Jamie, where he
starts taking it seriously 

2095
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:38,300
again, and that's ends up being 
everything. 

2096
01:43:38,300 --> 01:43:40,200
He's about ends up being his 
whole life. 

2097
01:43:40,700 --> 01:43:42,900
So his duties might have kept 
him away from his siblings in 

2098
01:43:42,907 --> 01:43:44,700
the early going, but later 
brings him. 

2099
01:43:44,900 --> 01:43:48,300
Back to him once once they're 
closer to the top and the drama 

2100
01:43:48,300 --> 01:43:53,300
would intensify majorly in the 
20 years before egg on becomes 

2101
01:43:53,300 --> 01:43:58,200
king, the parade of bastards 
begins as he gets older and 

2102
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,900
especially after becomes king 
and more, often it becomes 

2103
01:44:01,100 --> 01:44:04,500
noblewomen. 
But early on it's more random 

2104
01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:06,800
people. 
Their rank goes up as he gets 

2105
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,000
closer to the throne. 
Basically, He has a bastard in 

2106
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:18,800
155 and 156 157, 158 cetera. 
Each one of these was an inside 

2107
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,000
out. 
Now I want you to think about 

2108
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,300
this beforehand so where's the 
next one? 

2109
01:44:21,300 --> 01:44:27,200
Yeah 159 and maybe 16 yeah 
probably each one of these was 

2110
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:31,900
an insult to Daenerys which Amon
likely felt as well but there's 

2111
01:44:31,900 --> 01:44:33,700
just no stopping at what are 
they gonna do was going to kill 

2112
01:44:33,700 --> 01:44:35,900
his own brother? 
I mean he I guess he had that 

2113
01:44:35,900 --> 01:44:37,300
choice. 
This another one we could have 

2114
01:44:37,300 --> 01:44:40,100
yes he could have done that but 
I don't think that's a good 

2115
01:44:40,100 --> 01:44:43,600
answer to the problem in 157, 
the king, who would be called 

2116
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,100
egg on the dragonbane died of 
consumption AKA tuberculosis, 

2117
01:44:47,500 --> 01:44:49,200
it's always a big deal when it 
came guys. 

2118
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,200
But with that disease, the 
Silver Lining is, there's no 

2119
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,800
question that it was Foul Play. 
It was miraculous pretty 

2120
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:57,500
straightforward. 
Prince Haman would serve under 

2121
01:44:57,500 --> 01:45:00,100
five Kings. 
This was the first none of the 

2122
01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:02,500
recipe is so simple. 
All the others there would be 

2123
01:45:02,500 --> 01:45:06,000
questions and with a guy who 
takes his job, too seriously 

2124
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:08,800
you're going to find yourself 
maybe in a cerbera sister. 

2125
01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:11,300
Situation where barristers 
blames himself for Robert being 

2126
01:45:11,300 --> 01:45:14,100
killed by a boar and barristan 
blames himself for maybe even 

2127
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:16,000
are, he's dying. 
And he's like, all these Kings 

2128
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,200
have died under my watch, like 
I'm a kingsguard like what kind 

2129
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:19,800
of a kingsguard? 
Am I the sort of 

2130
01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:22,300
self-questioning like you're 
actually really good at this, 

2131
01:45:22,300 --> 01:45:24,400
man, but part of the reason 
they're so good at is that 

2132
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:27,900
they're constantly trying to be 
better and questioning whether 

2133
01:45:27,900 --> 01:45:29,500
whether their best is good 
enough. 

2134
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,800
For Better or Worse. 
Some people take responsibility 

2135
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,800
for things that aren't their 
responsibilities. 

2136
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:38,100
Yeah, and you know, sometimes 
you work yourself too hard or 

2137
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:40,700
get taken advantage for that but
sometimes you make everyone's 

2138
01:45:40,700 --> 01:45:42,900
lives better for ya. 
Making sure things are done, 

2139
01:45:42,900 --> 01:45:44,400
right. 
You name it seems like that kind

2140
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:47,900
of person again, may be 
projecting, but that's what I, 

2141
01:45:47,907 --> 01:45:51,500
that's how I envisioned him, 
that's where my version of his 

2142
01:45:51,500 --> 01:45:54,200
character Falls in my mind. 
So darn, let's talk about the 

2143
01:45:54,208 --> 01:45:58,200
conquest of doing and we dealt 
with the conquest separately in 

2144
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,200
the episode on King garon 
specifically. 

2145
01:46:00,900 --> 01:46:04,200
So we won't rehash too much, but
duels, and minor conflicts here.

2146
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:06,400
And there can mean a lot of even
tourneys especially if you 

2147
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,200
dominate them. 
Like, we're told a man did, but 

2148
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:10,900
be to be a truly legendary where
to be an Alzheimer. 

2149
01:46:10,900 --> 01:46:15,700
You have to actually fight in a 
war or to a man may not have 

2150
01:46:15,700 --> 01:46:19,400
seen much or any action against 
enemies actually, trying to kill

2151
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:24,400
him prior to Dorne, but that 
certainly changed when the same 

2152
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:28,500
year he ascended, they invaded a
man was 21. 

2153
01:46:28,700 --> 01:46:32,500
The King was 14. 
Darren likely trained with Amon 

2154
01:46:32,500 --> 01:46:35,900
being the best. 
Swordsman at court, Darren being

2155
01:46:35,900 --> 01:46:38,600
a swordsman himself, he bought 
with black fire, they maybe even

2156
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,400
trained Valyrian steel on blurry
and steel do. 

2157
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,000
Maybe more likely, they trained 
with tourney blades so they 

2158
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,300
wouldn't cut each other with 
those dangerously sharp weapons,

2159
01:46:46,300 --> 01:46:48,600
but hey, I don't know, I don't 
know what they did. 

2160
01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:52,200
What the Dragon Knight thought 
of the invasion personally is 

2161
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,100
hard to say. 
He may have thought it better 

2162
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:56,800
for Dorne to submit. 
I don't know what he thought of 

2163
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,900
like the song of ice and fire if
that was relevant to him or 

2164
01:46:59,900 --> 01:47:02,600
maybe he thought I was just it 
was unconscionable to attack 

2165
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:04,700
another country unprovoked like 
this. 

2166
01:47:04,700 --> 01:47:09,500
Maybe that was very, uh, nightly
being a devotee to duty, makes 

2167
01:47:09,500 --> 01:47:12,200
it difficult to Divine, his 
feelings on the matter. 

2168
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:15,600
He might just be like, the king 
says, it's the thing to do. 

2169
01:47:15,700 --> 01:47:18,300
We're doing it. 
Prince Baal or the Future, King 

2170
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:21,500
baelor, The Blessed almost 
certainly spoke against it, but 

2171
01:47:21,500 --> 01:47:23,300
he was only 13. 
So he may not have been super 

2172
01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:26,200
articulate about it, and 
certainly his objections were 

2173
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:28,900
ignored if Amon thinking about 
that. 

2174
01:47:28,900 --> 01:47:31,200
Like, how would Amon given his 
personality? 

2175
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:32,900
How would he disagree with the 
King will? 

2176
01:47:32,900 --> 01:47:35,700
Or would he like, barristan was 
willing to disagree with Robert 

2177
01:47:35,700 --> 01:47:39,500
at Council when his opinion was?
Has asked for but I would think 

2178
01:47:39,500 --> 01:47:42,800
it's the kind of thing that 
would be reluctant to do what 

2179
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,500
you usually put. 
The back, the King barristan was

2180
01:47:45,500 --> 01:47:49,000
already a legend and the Lord 
Commander. 

2181
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:53,500
Yeah it's not a teenager that 
just got on the kingsguard and 

2182
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,800
yeah so I think he did but I 
think that he did not do in 

2183
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,200
public. 
I think you do in private. 

2184
01:47:58,200 --> 01:47:59,800
Okay. 
Yeah, I said to me where I fall 

2185
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,100
as well. 
Now maybe with his brother, he 

2186
01:48:02,100 --> 01:48:04,700
may have lost his temper once or
twice and they may have been 

2187
01:48:04,700 --> 01:48:07,400
disagreements in public. 
But even that I think, And he 

2188
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,500
would have tried to keep that 
behind closed doors to keep the 

2189
01:48:09,500 --> 01:48:10,700
drama down. 
Because I think that because 

2190
01:48:10,700 --> 01:48:12,700
that would also be more what 
nerys wanted. 

2191
01:48:12,700 --> 01:48:14,800
I don't think Mary's would want 
these big public fights, and a 

2192
01:48:14,808 --> 01:48:17,900
lot of their fights would be on 
her behalf that keeps the drama 

2193
01:48:17,900 --> 01:48:20,100
down and keeps the gossip down. 
She doesn't want people 

2194
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:22,100
gossiping about her. 
Probably, I don't know. 

2195
01:48:23,400 --> 01:48:26,400
But he did fight with egg, on 
publicly at their wedding. 

2196
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,500
That's one thing to keep in mind
though, he wasn't in the 

2197
01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:31,100
kingsguard yet, so his maybe his
sense of Duty might have been 

2198
01:48:31,100 --> 01:48:34,800
different, then his duty would 
have been all to his sister and 

2199
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,500
less to his brothers. 
Not even the king yet. 

2200
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:39,500
And there's old course. 
There's always more to the 

2201
01:48:39,508 --> 01:48:42,400
story. 
Here's a Twist that may not be a

2202
01:48:42,407 --> 01:48:44,200
Twist, but it might be a huge 
twist. 

2203
01:48:44,500 --> 01:48:48,400
One, very interesting, possible 
piece of drama, is Dres, enco 

2204
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:52,000
regard to a had married, 
Princess, a LeAndre Martell of 

2205
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,800
Dorne dress. 
Zanko was Li Sondra, the 

2206
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:59,700
magnificence brother Lara was 
lysandros daughter. 

2207
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:05,100
Sodra zenko is great. 
Uncle to a mandate on an Aries. 

2208
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:10,200
We don't know if dress anko and 
a Leandra had kids, and if they 

2209
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:13,700
continued house, Martell those 
children did, if they did, which

2210
01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:17,200
is entirely possible, they're 
invading their cousins, which 

2211
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:21,200
would most likely push it 
towards a man thinking this was 

2212
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:22,800
unjust. 
This is, they're invading their 

2213
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:23,400
own. 
Wait. 

2214
01:49:23,500 --> 01:49:25,800
Because those would be his aunts
and uncles if they were just 

2215
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,500
drew zenko and Ali Andrews kids,
or if another generation passed 

2216
01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:29,500
would be their cousins either 
way. 

2217
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:31,800
They would be kin. 
You know, I wonder if that's 

2218
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,300
even a reason why they might 
have thought there was something

2219
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:39,300
to this and they might they 
might have thought, we make this

2220
01:49:39,500 --> 01:49:43,100
military success and then just 
make peace with our family. 

2221
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:45,800
That's already there. 
Maybe that would is it was an 

2222
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,100
angle that they thought would 
help us be successful in the 

2223
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:49,800
end. 
Yeah, it's entirely possible. 

2224
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:53,200
I'd sort of tend to lean towards
them not being family because As

2225
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:57,000
they had to submit to Darren and
there's no mention of kin or 

2226
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,100
family or the family connection 
between the Memphis and that or 

2227
01:50:00,108 --> 01:50:03,900
whatever, but it's possible 
enough that it's Bears mentioned

2228
01:50:04,100 --> 01:50:05,200
now egg. 
On the other hand, I think he 

2229
01:50:05,208 --> 01:50:06,600
cared he did fight in the war 
two. 

2230
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:08,400
He didn't distinguish himself, 
he just know. 

2231
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:11,900
I'm sure he drew his sword and 
fought but my dad, he cared 

2232
01:50:11,900 --> 01:50:14,200
about the whole family angle 
stuff, he didn't care about how 

2233
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:16,300
he treated his sister. 
He certainly wasn't gonna care 

2234
01:50:16,300 --> 01:50:18,700
how he treated his cousins. 
Also, he invaded or later when 

2235
01:50:18,708 --> 01:50:21,300
he was getting Corner invaded in
quotes. 

2236
01:50:22,700 --> 01:50:23,900
Yeah. 
Get to that later. 

2237
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:28,000
So how do the actual Conquest? 
Go began in 157 didn't last 

2238
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:29,600
long. 
The Dragon Knights Deeds were 

2239
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,100
plentiful though. 
Even though short. 

2240
01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:34,500
While his brothers most notable 
deed was, he was the one to 

2241
01:50:34,500 --> 01:50:37,300
escort the dornish noble 
hostages back to King's Landing 

2242
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,400
after they surrendered. 
And of course, he proceeded to 

2243
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:42,400
sleep with one of them. 
So there were three assault 

2244
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,100
groups to invade Dorn. 
One Army for each of the two 

2245
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:48,000
mountain passes, princess pass 
for Lionel, Tyrell bone way for 

2246
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,500
king daeron and a Navy led by 
Oaken fist. 

2247
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,200
Head up the green blood. 
We're going to assume he was As 

2248
01:50:53,300 --> 01:50:54,600
with King daeron unless we 
learn. 

2249
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,800
Otherwise, he'd be conspicuous 
because of his Helm, he wasn't 

2250
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,400
like sandor, Clegane size but he
was Big. 

2251
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:02,800
And of course he had his 
kingsguard a tire hit dark 

2252
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,400
sister. 
He was always near the king who 

2253
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:07,600
also would have been very 
conspicuous with his golden gold

2254
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:10,100
and black dragon armor and black
fire. 

2255
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:12,000
And he was also a kind of a big 
guy. 

2256
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:16,100
It's probably the first time 
ever that those two swords were 

2257
01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:19,000
wielded in close proximity to 
each other in real Combat 

2258
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:22,100
because yes visenya and aegon 
wielded those two swords 

2259
01:51:22,100 --> 01:51:24,800
respectively but they were 
Dragon back, they weren't like 

2260
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,900
in the trenches fighting 
side-by-side, it stored. 

2261
01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:31,000
So a little notable in the 
history of these Valyrian steel 

2262
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,800
blades. 
There would have been many who 

2263
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:39,000
faced him in the Dragon Knight 
wanting the glory of slaying the

2264
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:43,300
famed legend that he was and of 
course killing the King in 

2265
01:51:43,300 --> 01:51:46,200
battle would have been pretty 
epic to, but of course to get to

2266
01:51:46,208 --> 01:51:48,500
the king, you have to get 
through the Dragon Knight first.

2267
01:51:49,900 --> 01:51:53,300
I got to think that they're 
defending their country, there's

2268
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:58,200
all this motivation to be a hero
this motivation, to protect your

2269
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,000
family and your friends and your
country. 

2270
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:04,000
But still when you come face to 
face with a legend with his 

2271
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:08,500
Dragon Helm and his size and his
reputation and that leering 

2272
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:12,200
steel blade dripping, blood you 
might lose your nerve. 

2273
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:14,700
You might like actually never 
mind. 

2274
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:18,500
Yeah they would have heard the 
stories even in Dorne. 

2275
01:52:18,500 --> 01:52:22,000
I'm I mean for sure because he 
was legendary, not just for his 

2276
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,700
skill, but for his 
righteousness, like he was a 

2277
01:52:24,708 --> 01:52:28,100
true Knight, some would have not
have believed they were like, 

2278
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:31,000
Ah, that's targaryens. 
That's they're just blowing hot 

2279
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,400
air, they do that with even 
without dragons, they do that 

2280
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:40,000
these days but still the truth 
would have met the legend there 

2281
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:43,300
in the past that day or those 
days. 

2282
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:47,000
As the king's Army Advanced with
the Dragon Knight at the front, 

2283
01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:48,700
they fought all their way to 
sunspear. 

2284
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:53,400
Beer and one there as well, but 
rickon Stark heir to Winterfell 

2285
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:55,200
was killed in one of the final 
battles. 

2286
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,400
Remember that for later? 
It's going to come up again. 

2287
01:52:59,500 --> 01:53:02,100
There was an assassination 
attempt on Dara on shortly after

2288
01:53:02,100 --> 01:53:05,900
the submission, this is wild 
even after Sons to sunspear 

2289
01:53:05,900 --> 01:53:09,300
submitted because the door and 
his Rebels, don't always follow 

2290
01:53:09,300 --> 01:53:11,800
the lead of their prince or 
princess. 

2291
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:17,300
So an Archer tried to snipe King
daeron poisoned, Arrow took a 

2292
01:53:17,300 --> 01:53:21,100
shot at him. 
A man saw it saw the Archer did 

2293
01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:23,700
something somehow he noticed it 
and jumped in front of the 

2294
01:53:23,700 --> 01:53:26,000
arrow. 
He probably wasn't holding his 

2295
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,100
shield. 
He probably would have done 

2296
01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:29,100
that, which means they were, 
maybe it's some form of rest, 

2297
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:31,200
maybe they were camped or 
something like that. 

2298
01:53:31,700 --> 01:53:36,100
Still, really Brave shows, the 
kind of man, he was like 

2299
01:53:36,100 --> 01:53:38,400
unthinking jumps in front of an 
arrow. 

2300
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,500
That is what kingsguard are 
supposed to do. 

2301
01:53:40,500 --> 01:53:43,800
I mean talk about setting the 
standard for what kingsguard are

2302
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:48,300
supposed to do and it's a little
similar to his namesake being 

2303
01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:50,700
killed by that crossbow bolt, of
course, no one even saw that 

2304
01:53:50,700 --> 01:53:52,800
bolt coming. 
That was a completely out of 

2305
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,800
nowhere. 
Hit that wasn't even intended 

2306
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:57,800
for a man, but it does remind us
of that need two points out. 

2307
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:01,200
And in fact, that crossbow bolt 
may have been poisoned, we don't

2308
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,100
know because it went through a 
man's neck, would have killed 

2309
01:54:03,100 --> 01:54:05,600
him. 
Anyway, so this Arrow, even 

2310
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:08,900
though it was also poison didn't
kill him and every time I 

2311
01:54:08,900 --> 01:54:12,400
poisoned my crossbow bolt I get 
a death kill anywhere. 

2312
01:54:12,900 --> 01:54:16,700
What a waste of poison so he 
needed Advanced Care. 

2313
01:54:16,700 --> 01:54:19,900
They if it had been In the era 
of dragons, you probably have 

2314
01:54:19,900 --> 01:54:23,000
been airlifted out. 
They had to ship him back to 

2315
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:25,800
King's Landing, where the war 
while the rest of the war was 

2316
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:28,800
wrapped up in flared up again, 
less than three years later. 

2317
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:33,500
And the famous example of the 
100 scorpions in the bed killed,

2318
01:54:33,500 --> 01:54:37,100
Lord Tyrell happened. 
The war immediately flared, back

2319
01:54:37,100 --> 01:54:40,100
up by then, Prince Haman had 
recovered from the poisoning, so

2320
01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:43,200
he was by the Kings side again. 
Presumably, he wasn't just 

2321
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:46,500
redefining Targaryen Knighthood,
he was redefining Knighthood all

2322
01:54:46,500 --> 01:54:50,400
over Westeros with his bravery 
with His skill with his Devotion

2323
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:54,000
to his duty. 
This time, a famous unnamed, 

2324
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,500
Darkness Champion came face to 
face with him. 

2325
01:54:56,500 --> 01:54:58,800
In one of the battles. 
It was apparently a big enough 

2326
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:00,800
deal that it was worth 
mentioning but not a big enough 

2327
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,300
deal for us to get the name of 
this person. 

2328
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,000
I presume we will get the name 
and Fire and Blood to George 

2329
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:10,400
won't leave him unnamed when the
detailed accounting of this 

2330
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:13,200
engagement comes and you wonder 
what that person was thinking. 

2331
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:16,100
They're thinking, well, I'm 
great, I can beat this guy, 

2332
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:20,600
it'll be glorious For Me Maybe. 
Damaged by that poison arrow and

2333
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,300
he's a little weaker than he 
would have been. 

2334
01:55:22,300 --> 01:55:24,400
Even though here to his past, 
maybe did permanent damage to 

2335
01:55:24,407 --> 01:55:28,000
him that's entirely possible. 
Perhaps it was a nullor the 

2336
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:30,800
Oilers had killed Queen rainy 
summer acts he's and maybe they 

2337
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:32,700
were like yeah let's get another
Targaryen. 

2338
01:55:32,700 --> 01:55:34,400
Maybe it was a Dane wielding 
Dawn though. 

2339
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:38,100
That would be quite a detail to 
leave out for that same reason. 

2340
01:55:38,100 --> 01:55:41,000
It may not have been like a 
Martell either or particularly 

2341
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,200
famous house but maybe it could 
have been an iron wood or a 

2342
01:55:43,208 --> 01:55:46,500
Fowler or a will so much from 
house will is possible given 

2343
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:48,500
what's going to happen a little 
bit later. 

2344
01:55:48,500 --> 01:55:51,300
The wills, maybe have a grudge 
against him or all the 

2345
01:55:51,300 --> 01:55:53,900
targaryens for reasons that you 
may already know. 

2346
01:55:53,900 --> 01:55:55,500
But I'll explain when we get to 
that section. 

2347
01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:58,100
I like the Idea. 
That it was just a commoner who 

2348
01:55:58,100 --> 01:56:00,700
was a great warrior, maybe call.
You would someone like that? 

2349
01:56:00,700 --> 01:56:04,100
Yeah, maybe even someone who 
served in what do you call it 

2350
01:56:04,100 --> 01:56:07,900
and mercenary companies and SOS 
to travel the world or not 

2351
01:56:07,900 --> 01:56:12,200
necessarily someone with the age
old Grudge, or a standard night.

2352
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:14,800
I thought, I like the idea of it
being a more common person who 

2353
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,900
just Rose through the ranks as a
warrior Champion, that's cool. 

2354
01:56:17,900 --> 01:56:20,300
Yeah I like that idea. 
Either way when you have a 

2355
01:56:20,308 --> 01:56:22,800
scenario like that, it's almost 
like a Highlander situation 

2356
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:25,800
where two people with great 
reputations. 

2357
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:28,300
Come together only One of them 
is going to survive and that, 

2358
01:56:28,300 --> 01:56:30,800
but that survivors reputation is
going to be even greater 

2359
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:33,500
afterwards. 
And there was his reputation, 

2360
01:56:33,700 --> 01:56:38,900
their name is lost at this guy. 
Yeah, that's for sure. 

2361
01:56:39,300 --> 01:56:41,900
However, big a Target that 
Dragon Helm and white cloak and 

2362
01:56:41,900 --> 01:56:43,900
Valyrian steel blade. 
Put on him, he defeated all 

2363
01:56:43,900 --> 01:56:46,200
Challengers the battlefield, 
that is. 

2364
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:49,300
Now when it comes from sorts of 
Swords, clashing he had no peer,

2365
01:56:49,500 --> 01:56:53,300
but his skill at detecting 
intrigued poisoned Arrow. 

2366
01:56:53,300 --> 01:56:57,200
Jumping in front of a side. 
We don't know how How skilled he

2367
01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:01,300
was at cloak-and-dagger, type 
stuff at enter, that's entry, 

2368
01:57:01,300 --> 01:57:04,500
get backroom dealing and stuff 
like that or how Savvy he wasn't

2369
01:57:04,500 --> 01:57:05,800
that regard. 
Maybe not very. 

2370
01:57:05,900 --> 01:57:08,500
Hey, you know, very just seems 
like a cup daddy wouldn't think 

2371
01:57:08,500 --> 01:57:10,900
along those lines that much. 
So, be hard for him to put 

2372
01:57:10,900 --> 01:57:13,300
himself in the shoes of that 
type of thinker and thus 

2373
01:57:13,300 --> 01:57:16,200
anticipate their moves though, 
that is what a kingsguard is 

2374
01:57:16,208 --> 01:57:18,600
supposed to be able to do. 
That doesn't mean it was, his 

2375
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:22,600
particular skill set, but he was
elected Lord Commander at some 

2376
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:24,200
point. 
I don't think he was yet. 

2377
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:29,000
But he may have had that skill 
which was what enabled him to be

2378
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:33,000
Lord Commander or he was Lord 
Commander because he was just so

2379
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:37,000
trusted and he was a Targaryen 
and that was why either way we 

2380
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:40,600
discussed again like a lot of 
the daeron the young dragon and 

2381
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:42,400
stuff. 
There's more detail in that 

2382
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:46,400
episode but the short version is
in the year 161 after the flare 

2383
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:49,900
up of hostilities and after 
those went the targaryens way 

2384
01:57:49,900 --> 01:57:53,400
again, darn, apparently was 
ready to talk peace again, 

2385
01:57:54,100 --> 01:57:57,000
apparently. 
But the dornish, use the parley 

2386
01:57:57,000 --> 01:58:00,600
to Spring an ambush and killed 
the king and several kingsguard.

2387
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:04,000
But Prince Haman was captured 
alive after apparently, killing 

2388
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:08,200
two of the photos that were 
engaged in this Ambush. 

2389
01:58:08,500 --> 01:58:12,200
Since he wound up in the hands 
of house, will probably who 

2390
01:58:12,300 --> 01:58:13,600
captured him during the 
engagement. 

2391
01:58:13,600 --> 01:58:15,400
They probably got to hold on to 
their prisoner. 

2392
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:18,500
But no matter who captured him, 
it's intrigued that it happened 

2393
01:58:18,500 --> 01:58:20,600
at all, not just because of how 
difficult it must have been but 

2394
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,900
because what do you think about 
this Sean and show you way into,

2395
01:58:22,900 --> 01:58:25,700
if you want to? 
It seems a little peculiar like 

2396
01:58:26,300 --> 01:58:28,700
it's almost like they wanted to 
capture him because it's like I 

2397
01:58:28,700 --> 01:58:32,600
said that's harsh The Carter to 
capture a guy then to kill him 

2398
01:58:32,700 --> 01:58:34,700
in a spot like this. 
I think when he's willing to 

2399
01:58:34,708 --> 01:58:38,500
fight to the death to save his 
King and they would know that 

2400
01:58:38,500 --> 01:58:40,800
about him. 
It's almost like they wanted a 

2401
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:43,400
hostage and he'd be the only 
other Targaryen around like they

2402
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:46,600
want to kill the king. 
So they need a hostage to maybe 

2403
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:50,700
prevent the blowback and to say,
okay now, you won't be attacking

2404
01:58:50,700 --> 01:58:53,400
us anymore because we have the 
Dragon Knight in captivity. 

2405
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:56,400
Does that ring true to you or 
because or am I missing 

2406
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,300
something? 
Because the capturing part seems

2407
01:58:58,300 --> 01:59:00,100
a little odd like what would 
caught like he wouldn't 

2408
01:59:00,100 --> 01:59:04,400
surrender. 
Well, maybe this bottom, right, 

2409
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,300
someone did surrender like one 
of the King's Guard did 

2410
01:59:06,300 --> 01:59:09,700
surrender, mercy of the people 
who follow, you know, that 

2411
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:12,600
right? 
I think I don't know if it was 

2412
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:15,000
necessarily a plan in the first 
place. 

2413
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:18,300
It might have been a convenient 
thing to happen but the way I 

2414
01:59:18,308 --> 01:59:20,500
can see it happening because I 
also can't imagine from a 

2415
01:59:20,500 --> 01:59:24,000
distance. 
So am I thinking oh you live. 

2416
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:26,100
But the king died. 
You live with the other two. 

2417
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:28,300
Like how pretty convenient for 
you? 

2418
01:59:28,300 --> 01:59:31,900
You might look like something 
was set up or he didn't fight 

2419
01:59:31,900 --> 01:59:33,400
hard enough. 
That's why I pointed out one of 

2420
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:35,900
them did surrender and three of 
the others right killed. 

2421
01:59:35,900 --> 01:59:39,400
I think he was good enough at 
fighting that they weren't able 

2422
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:41,700
to kill him if they're 
outnumbered and an ambush of 

2423
01:59:41,700 --> 01:59:43,100
this sort. 
They might have literally been 

2424
01:59:43,100 --> 01:59:45,300
outnumbered, 10 to 1, right? 
It might have been like a 

2425
01:59:45,308 --> 01:59:48,100
hundred people attacking a 
dozen, but eventually, he's the 

2426
01:59:48,100 --> 01:59:52,600
last one fighting and here's 50 
people around him in a circle at

2427
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:56,600
that point, even if he doesn't 
surrender, it might be possible 

2428
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:59,600
or more likely, they might 
realize, like, hold on, he's a 

2429
01:59:59,608 --> 02:00:03,400
Targaryen that salmon. 
I don't kill him and he might 

2430
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:05,800
still swing a sword and they 
might back off. 

2431
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:09,200
But eventually like he just 
collapsed in heat exhaustion or 

2432
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:11,400
they just won't guys engaging 
with his sword. 

2433
02:00:11,400 --> 02:00:13,700
Someone tackles a bum from 
behind and six people sit on 

2434
02:00:13,700 --> 02:00:15,500
them and I'm like, okay, we got 
you finally. 

2435
02:00:15,500 --> 02:00:19,300
Yeah, okay I think the I think 
that he could have just fought 

2436
02:00:19,300 --> 02:00:21,600
them off and told he was so 
extremely out number. 

2437
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:24,200
There's no way he could be 
passed out from blood loss but 

2438
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:25,900
didn't die. 
Yeah, okay, yeah there's a lot 

2439
02:00:25,900 --> 02:00:26,600
of scenario. 
You're right. 

2440
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:28,200
It doesn't have to be. 
They went into the idea of cash 

2441
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:30,000
but I think maybe but I think 
they would have made if they 

2442
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,100
didn't go into the Ambush with 
the plan of capturing him. 

2443
02:00:33,100 --> 02:00:37,200
They I like your idea that they 
had that it developed and they 

2444
02:00:37,208 --> 02:00:38,800
were like, maybe we should 
capture him. 

2445
02:00:39,100 --> 02:00:42,600
Yeah, Nina attends to take your 
side that she's a little iffy on

2446
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:45,300
the idea of them planning, to 
capture the Dragon II. 

2447
02:00:45,300 --> 02:00:47,300
Still hold onto the ideas as 
possible because I think as I 

2448
02:00:47,308 --> 02:00:49,200
definitely value in having a 
hostage they had to know that 

2449
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:52,700
this would be a really big deal,
it just killed the king, you 

2450
02:00:52,700 --> 02:00:56,600
know, and the whole of Westeros 
would rise for that potentially 

2451
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:58,600
and they would want a way to 
push back against that or to 

2452
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,600
stop it and something just to 
curb that To curb their 

2453
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:05,200
enthusiasm about revenge, so 
that other kings guard who 

2454
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:07,100
surrendered was also captured. 
We don't know what happened to 

2455
02:01:07,100 --> 02:01:09,400
him. 
I guess he just another big 

2456
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:13,000
Westeros was like, we don't want
him back like send him to the 

2457
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:14,400
wall. 
If you give him back to us, 

2458
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:15,600
we're just gonna send him to the
wall. 

2459
02:01:15,700 --> 02:01:20,400
So we're not paying his family 
pay for him but their crowns, 

2460
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:22,700
not paying for him. 
Like you said, it's shades of 

2461
02:01:22,700 --> 02:01:25,400
Arthur Dayne at the tower of 
Joy, like he may have been 

2462
02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:28,400
vastly outnumbered but he's 
gonna go down fighting that 

2463
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:32,200
doesn't mean he didn't pass out 
first or Throw a net on him or 

2464
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:35,000
something, you know, the ropes 
still it must have been 

2465
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:36,300
difficult. 
However he was captured, it 

2466
02:01:36,308 --> 02:01:39,500
couldn't have been like easy 
because he did kill people in 

2467
02:01:39,500 --> 02:01:42,400
the process and also has, it's 
not, it's also important not to 

2468
02:01:42,407 --> 02:01:45,300
forget the huge psychological 
impacts event may have had on a 

2469
02:01:45,300 --> 02:01:47,900
man himself, while Amon had 
served for a few years. 

2470
02:01:47,900 --> 02:01:50,000
In the kingsguard, under his 
uncle leg on the third. 

2471
02:01:50,100 --> 02:01:52,800
There's not much a man was like,
doing in the way of actively 

2472
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:54,600
defending the King's life or 
fighting Wars for him. 

2473
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:57,700
Egg on the third's Reign was 
peaceful, even though it was 

2474
02:01:57,700 --> 02:02:00,800
troubled on a personal level, 
there wasn't like the threat of 

2475
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,000
War. 
Or or anything like that going 

2476
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:05,700
on. 
So it was a peaceful time in 

2477
02:02:05,700 --> 02:02:08,500
terms of terms of that under 
dare on the first though, just 

2478
02:02:08,500 --> 02:02:13,100
immediately that the stability 
is tossed aside in favor of 

2479
02:02:13,100 --> 02:02:16,000
starting a war. 
So this is maybe when he's 

2480
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:18,400
really tested. 
Well, yeah, Amon was a 

2481
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:21,100
kingsguard for a long time, but 
his job might have been kind of 

2482
02:02:21,200 --> 02:02:23,300
easy. 
Not that he didn't take it very 

2483
02:02:23,300 --> 02:02:26,600
seriously and I thought he 
didn't probably go beyond a go, 

2484
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:29,900
the extra mile, but there just 
wasn't that many threats when 

2485
02:02:29,900 --> 02:02:32,100
you get down to it, but here and
The battlefield. 

2486
02:02:32,100 --> 02:02:36,000
I mean, and assassination 
attempts poison arrows, like, 

2487
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,500
constant threats, constant 
things going on. 

2488
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:41,900
You wonder if maybe a man felt 
more alive. 

2489
02:02:41,900 --> 02:02:46,400
More useful until this, until 
his King is killed in front of 

2490
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:47,600
him. 
That may have. 

2491
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:52,500
It all comes crashing down and 
his failure is emphasized. 

2492
02:02:52,500 --> 02:02:54,100
And yeah, like you said, Sean 
people would be talking like, 

2493
02:02:54,100 --> 02:02:56,900
how did you live? 
He'd probably yeah, I should be 

2494
02:02:56,900 --> 02:02:59,000
dead. 
I should have died with my king.

2495
02:02:59,100 --> 02:03:01,500
You're not you're not wrong like
I didn't, he wouldn't Agree with

2496
02:03:01,500 --> 02:03:04,500
the treason part, but he would 
agree with the he would feel 

2497
02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:06,900
some guilt or Shame about having
not done enough. 

2498
02:03:06,900 --> 02:03:09,800
Yeah, whatever responsibility 
was his and he and he failed. 

2499
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:12,700
And remember that egg on him to 
send you created the kingsguard 

2500
02:03:13,100 --> 02:03:17,200
because of dornish Assassins, 
that was like, the first impetus

2501
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:21,300
for it because he had his 
personal guard and visenya was 

2502
02:03:21,300 --> 02:03:24,300
just realizing how they were not
sufficient, and it was dornish 

2503
02:03:24,300 --> 02:03:29,100
assassins that were the threat 
at the time because of all the 

2504
02:03:29,100 --> 02:03:31,400
damage they had done to door. 
And I mean, the darkness Since 

2505
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:37,800
we're fairly Justified but still
that's beside the point and a 

2506
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:40,500
man might have been aware of 
that been like oh I should have 

2507
02:03:40,500 --> 02:03:44,700
been more aware or weary of this
type of warfare from the dornish

2508
02:03:44,700 --> 02:03:47,100
and maybe was kicking himself 
for not seeing it coming, maybe 

2509
02:03:47,100 --> 02:03:50,700
not speaking up. 
But again, he probably wasn't in

2510
02:03:50,700 --> 02:03:51,900
charge, he wasn't the Lord 
Commander. 

2511
02:03:52,100 --> 02:03:55,300
But also again this is a guy who
probably took more 

2512
02:03:55,300 --> 02:03:58,600
responsibility on and most 
people would he would blame 

2513
02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:00,700
himself for things like you said
earlier, shum that wouldn't 

2514
02:04:00,700 --> 02:04:04,000
necessarily be EB other people 
wouldn't blame him for now. 

2515
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,800
I think he did enough here. 
I think this is just the 

2516
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:09,300
dornish, outplayed them and are 
on. 

2517
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:11,100
Shouldn't have invaded, do it in
the first place. 

2518
02:04:12,500 --> 02:04:14,500
As we said before beerus, it 
considers it. 

2519
02:04:14,500 --> 02:04:18,500
A failure that rhaegar and 
Robert and aerosol died under 

2520
02:04:18,500 --> 02:04:23,200
his watch even know there was 
almost a other than some like, 

2521
02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:27,300
political maneuvering behind the
scenes to prevent scenarios from

2522
02:04:27,300 --> 02:04:30,200
coming up in the first place. 
Which one, you can't be sure 

2523
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:33,300
what have worked and Aren't 
really in the realm of. 

2524
02:04:34,300 --> 02:04:36,600
Is that of the time to do? 
Egg Harrison, you're supposed to

2525
02:04:36,608 --> 02:04:37,900
be a guard outside, the kings 
door. 

2526
02:04:37,900 --> 02:04:39,700
Hold on, I'm plotting with 
little finger right now. 

2527
02:04:40,700 --> 02:04:43,800
Don't worry, I'm trying to say 
the King's life, like, hold on, 

2528
02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:47,200
I'm plotting with little thing 
that's great. 

2529
02:04:48,100 --> 02:04:52,000
Now, house will of all the 
houses to get captured by, you 

2530
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,700
would not pick house will. 
If you were a man, you would 

2531
02:04:54,700 --> 02:04:56,700
have chosen a different Darkness
Shadows, none of them, probably 

2532
02:04:56,700 --> 02:04:58,600
all that good. 
But this will be one of the 

2533
02:04:58,600 --> 02:05:00,500
least, one of the last four 
choices because of that 

2534
02:05:00,500 --> 02:05:02,300
reputation there. 
Close to the border the 

2535
02:05:02,300 --> 02:05:04,900
stormlands which is a very 
violent area rating back and 

2536
02:05:04,900 --> 02:05:09,300
forth for centuries Generations.
It was, they who chopped off the

2537
02:05:09,300 --> 02:05:11,600
hand of orys Baratheon? 
Who was aegon the conquerors. 

2538
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:15,400
Half-brother during that first 
dornish war which was followed 

2539
02:05:15,400 --> 02:05:16,800
by a guns. 
Hmm. 

2540
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:20,500
Where there's a will, there's a 
way, was there ever a? 

2541
02:05:20,500 --> 02:05:23,900
We'll wait. 
Orys, Baratheon was also hand. 

2542
02:05:23,900 --> 02:05:27,200
Yeah, the first-ever aegon the 
Conqueror. 

2543
02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:30,900
Tried to avenge his half-brother
by sending. 

2544
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:33,700
By writing balerion to torch 
their Castle. 

2545
02:05:33,900 --> 02:05:36,900
But their Castle is sort of 
embedded or close to some caves.

2546
02:05:36,900 --> 02:05:40,200
So they pulled a Crag, a scrap 
feeder from the TV show where 

2547
02:05:40,200 --> 02:05:42,100
they just hid in the cave and 
ever the dragon was around. 

2548
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:44,000
They just went into caves and 
the dragon couldn't do much of 

2549
02:05:44,008 --> 02:05:45,800
the K. 
The castle got screwed up pretty

2550
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:48,500
bad, but it didn't really affect
the people didn't really affect 

2551
02:05:48,500 --> 02:05:51,200
the soldiers or house Wills well
to live. 

2552
02:05:51,300 --> 02:05:54,000
Yeah, well Selangor. 
There are the members of the 

2553
02:05:54,008 --> 02:05:58,200
family and then later there was 
another war and or he's got his 

2554
02:05:58,200 --> 02:06:02,500
revenge or he's chopped the 
hands and And feet off of that. 

2555
02:06:02,500 --> 02:06:04,300
Lord Wills son, who is the new 
Lord? 

2556
02:06:04,300 --> 02:06:11,100
Will he called it Usery? 
You know, interest rates lucky 

2557
02:06:11,100 --> 02:06:13,700
for Amon. 
Perhaps the current Lord will 

2558
02:06:13,700 --> 02:06:17,100
wasn't quite so nasty, but he 
could have gotten away with it. 

2559
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:22,400
He absolutely could have chopped
off a limb and still and and had

2560
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:26,200
no punishment come for him. 
Because baelor the Blessed was 

2561
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:28,400
so determined to make peace with
Dorn. 

2562
02:06:28,500 --> 02:06:31,900
He was willing to forgive a lot 
because his Is the aggressor. 

2563
02:06:31,900 --> 02:06:36,900
So with that in mind bail or 
walked Barefoot from King's 

2564
02:06:36,900 --> 02:06:41,800
Landing to sunspear to apologize
and to make peace, it's not 

2565
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:43,500
clear that aemon. 
The dragonknight knew this was 

2566
02:06:43,500 --> 02:06:45,200
happening when it was happening 
because he's in house Wheels, 

2567
02:06:45,200 --> 02:06:48,100
captivity and honestly gonna 
tell him that this is happening.

2568
02:06:49,100 --> 02:06:50,800
They might not even know it's 
happening. 

2569
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:52,600
They probably know they would 
have because he would have 

2570
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:56,000
passed by their rent, 
eventually, I guess. 

2571
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:59,900
But yeah, I don't know when he 
left probably took months to 

2572
02:06:59,900 --> 02:07:00,400
walk. 
Yes. 

2573
02:07:01,900 --> 02:07:03,500
It was a big deal. 
And here's the thing, the 

2574
02:07:03,500 --> 02:07:05,600
sentiment is real interesting 
sentiment that would've been 

2575
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:08,000
going around Dorn, those people 
who really thought about it, the

2576
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:11,000
really pragmatic ones. 
We've been like, leave him 

2577
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:14,200
alone. 
Don't kill him. 

2578
02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:17,800
This is exactly the king we want
on the Iron Throne the guy 

2579
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:21,600
that's yes, that to make peace. 
We want this guy on the throne 

2580
02:07:21,700 --> 02:07:24,700
as long as possible. 
He's the best neighbor we went 

2581
02:07:24,700 --> 02:07:29,000
from murderous conquering 
neighbor and forget all the 

2582
02:07:29,100 --> 02:07:30,900
Targaryen who came before that 
maybe Becerra. 

2583
02:07:31,100 --> 02:07:32,900
And so bad. 
But there's plenty of bad ones, 

2584
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:36,100
egg on Meg or like, you know 
what you really want to roll the

2585
02:07:36,100 --> 02:07:38,400
dice again? 
No, keep this guy. 

2586
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:42,100
This is the guy you want pass 
offense looking for forgiveness 

2587
02:07:42,100 --> 02:07:44,400
as yeah. 
It's so obvious when you frame 

2588
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:47,000
it like that, but some of these 
darkish men there, they don't 

2589
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:48,400
think like that. 
They're like, what are the 

2590
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:51,200
ironborn? 
Say, no Cravens, peace and house

2591
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:54,000
will probably amongst the most 
aggressive because they're 

2592
02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:56,700
garnish Marchers there on the 
border because successful and 

2593
02:07:56,700 --> 02:08:05,100
admired the ironborn Who knows 
what a man knew, who knows what 

2594
02:08:05,100 --> 02:08:07,300
the wheels were telling him. 
It may have been lying to him 

2595
02:08:07,300 --> 02:08:08,100
about how we're going to do 
this. 

2596
02:08:08,100 --> 02:08:10,000
We're going to kill you. 
We're going to just one more 

2597
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:11,000
day. 
We're going to torture you, and 

2598
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:12,800
then is wouldn't happen. 
I don't know what probably a lot

2599
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:15,400
of psychological torment. 
Probably didn't treat him great,

2600
02:08:15,700 --> 02:08:17,200
but they didn't cut his limbs 
off. 

2601
02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:19,200
They could have been worse. 
It would have been an 

2602
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:21,900
interesting time for him. 
We have talked about doing an 

2603
02:08:21,900 --> 02:08:25,000
episode on prisoners and one day
we will because it's such an 

2604
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:29,700
interesting setup for a chapter,
you can't do anything, you're in

2605
02:08:29,700 --> 02:08:31,900
prison. 
So you all you can do is think 

2606
02:08:32,100 --> 02:08:34,900
Reflect and that can make for 
some really interesting stuff, 

2607
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:39,700
memories history, conflict, just
characters think about to get it

2608
02:08:39,700 --> 02:08:41,700
done differently. 
Dabo spends some great time in 

2609
02:08:41,708 --> 02:08:44,300
prison Tyrion, net. 
I mean, there's some really good

2610
02:08:44,300 --> 02:08:45,900
ones. 
I've thought about this quite a 

2611
02:08:45,900 --> 02:08:48,100
lot. 
By the way, it's harder to think

2612
02:08:48,100 --> 02:08:51,900
of a character who hasn't been 
imprisoned character the have, 

2613
02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:56,100
especially when you consider 
people like in caps on scenario 

2614
02:08:56,100 --> 02:08:58,600
who might not have like been in 
a jail cell but they really they

2615
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:00,800
were pretty a brand was also 
like with the on took 

2616
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:03,900
Winterfell, right? 
Rick and with him Ed Jamie, some

2617
02:09:03,900 --> 02:09:08,400
people multiple times Brianne. 
Even Joshua was locked up John 

2618
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:11,600
when he drew a sword at tried to
go after Al Sur. 

2619
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:12,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

2620
02:09:12,700 --> 02:09:15,000
You're totally right. 
And he was a prisoner of the 

2621
02:09:15,008 --> 02:09:17,300
wildlings when he twice, you're 
right. 

2622
02:09:17,300 --> 02:09:21,000
Yeah, I'm in telling on and on 
almost every character has been 

2623
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:23,600
prisoner and most of them 
prisoners multiple times or may 

2624
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:25,700
not most put a bunch, a lot of 
point out of the central 

2625
02:09:25,700 --> 02:09:27,600
characters, don't know. 
Just like you could argue that 

2626
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:29,700
they're basically prisoner. 
Yeah, exactly. 

2627
02:09:29,700 --> 02:09:32,400
There's times when you like Aria
is just what she's After the 

2628
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:33,600
mountain. 
Yes, she's a prisoner. 

2629
02:09:33,600 --> 02:09:36,600
And then we should capture the 
hound still a prisoner later 

2630
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:38,400
when he doesn't care about her 
running away. 

2631
02:09:38,500 --> 02:09:40,400
Maybe not. 
But yeah, but that's part of 

2632
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:42,800
what makes it so interesting. 
By the way, it Danny, yes. 

2633
02:09:43,000 --> 02:09:46,400
Actively a prisoner and multiple
scenarios and like start start. 

2634
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:49,500
Start thinking about it. 
Yeah, if you just start 

2635
02:09:49,500 --> 02:09:52,700
listening out characters, your 
prisoner, or no, like, there are

2636
02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:55,300
way less nose. 
And yes, that's a great Point. 

2637
02:09:55,300 --> 02:09:56,900
John, you're very good, very, 
very true. 

2638
02:09:57,400 --> 02:10:00,500
So Heyman, think about this, 
like we don't know, there's a 

2639
02:10:00,508 --> 02:10:01,900
lot of holes in what we think 
about his person. 

2640
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,700
A lot of stuff we projected on 
his personality, but this would 

2641
02:10:04,708 --> 02:10:07,800
Analyze, This would come out if 
this ever is on TB or gets 

2642
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:11,500
written to be a really powerful 
scene or multiple scenes. 

2643
02:10:11,500 --> 02:10:15,000
Potentially and you already see 
why this would make for a pretty

2644
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,600
good TV. 
A lot of this stuff just you got

2645
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:19,200
everything. 
You got great family drama, 

2646
02:10:19,200 --> 02:10:21,100
you've got a great world. 
We already know you got a great 

2647
02:10:21,100 --> 02:10:23,700
world and so many great 
characters. 

2648
02:10:23,700 --> 02:10:25,700
Yeah. 
And you got we've got war and 

2649
02:10:25,700 --> 02:10:27,300
drama. 
You've got all of, you got all 

2650
02:10:27,300 --> 02:10:29,200
the stuff. 
It's all the stuff, the Game of 

2651
02:10:29,200 --> 02:10:32,700
Thrones does well, maybe some 
people in house I actually had a

2652
02:10:32,708 --> 02:10:34,400
different attitude, like 
something, I can picture them, 

2653
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:37,600
tormenting him or teasing him, 
but maybe some of them. 

2654
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:40,200
This is a legendary Targaryen 
Warrior. 

2655
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:43,300
Prince, whose thought of, as a 
good person, like you might 

2656
02:10:43,300 --> 02:10:46,000
cease like some kid coming to 
talk to him and being curious 

2657
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:49,000
about him, like, like Davos and 
Shireen, right? 

2658
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:51,900
Like that kind of thing where 
they're connecting in a 

2659
02:10:51,907 --> 02:10:54,900
scenario, where the person in 
jail isn't really in jail for 

2660
02:10:54,900 --> 02:10:57,900
being a bad person, you know, 
and they're making connection 

2661
02:10:57,900 --> 02:11:01,400
with a kid who isn't fully 
understanding everything that's 

2662
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:03,500
happened, you know. 
Fully grasp politics and the 

2663
02:11:03,500 --> 02:11:06,500
family drama and all the other 
stuff that's going on, which 

2664
02:11:06,500 --> 02:11:10,500
enables a connection to be made.
Lots of room for said, I'm 

2665
02:11:10,500 --> 02:11:11,900
really turning. 
I've all the moments for me to 

2666
02:11:11,900 --> 02:11:14,500
turn into a TV scene. 
It's the the jail scene. 

2667
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:19,100
Yep man. 
You had the Battle of stuff in. 

2668
02:11:19,100 --> 02:11:22,200
Don't like you have him in the 
dornish past taken a narrow but 

2669
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:26,200
this is yeah that's easy to 
imagine being cinematic like an 

2670
02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:28,900
ambush scene and all that so I 
don't have to describe that. 

2671
02:11:29,700 --> 02:11:33,800
Regardless of what was happening
in the wills dungeon regardless 

2672
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:36,600
of what Amon knew about, the 
what the peace walk, the peace 

2673
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:41,300
walk was happening and it would 
have come to a head when one day

2674
02:11:41,700 --> 02:11:46,800
they pulled him out of his cell 
but am in another cell outside. 

2675
02:11:47,900 --> 02:11:51,200
In a cage, hanging over a pit of
vipers. 

2676
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:56,900
What comes into his head? 
At this point, he's like, What 

2677
02:11:56,900 --> 02:12:00,200
are they doing? 
Why don't they just kill me like

2678
02:12:00,500 --> 02:12:02,800
this supposed to frighten me? 
I was I'm not any more 

2679
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:06,200
frightened than I already was. 
I'm already in jail, like I'm at

2680
02:12:06,200 --> 02:12:08,400
your mercy. 
This doesn't really change 

2681
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:11,000
anything. 
It's less comfortable out here 

2682
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:13,400
in the hot sun. 
Maybe are you torturing me, why 

2683
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:15,200
the Viper so, like, what's the 
point? 

2684
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:17,600
I can't get out of this cage. 
Anyway like what's the deal 

2685
02:12:17,600 --> 02:12:21,100
here, if he knew Baylor was on 
his walk, he might figure out 

2686
02:12:21,100 --> 02:12:24,200
that he's bait. 
Yeah, he might figure that out. 

2687
02:12:24,200 --> 02:12:26,200
And then he would start to word 
out a side. 

2688
02:12:26,300 --> 02:12:29,100
He might even aside for knowing 
Bayless on a walk realizing he's

2689
02:12:29,100 --> 02:12:31,400
baby, may not realize who he's 
made for, you're right, he might

2690
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:34,000
not realize yesterday lower, but
he would realize that he's bait.

2691
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:35,200
Yeah. 
And I think that he would 

2692
02:12:35,200 --> 02:12:37,600
realize that this isn't to 
intimidate him, it's for someone

2693
02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:40,300
else he's being made into a 
spectacle for someone else's 

2694
02:12:40,300 --> 02:12:42,900
benefit at first that benefit 
would be house will. 

2695
02:12:42,900 --> 02:12:45,900
We're told that they laughed and
sat there and watched, and just 

2696
02:12:45,900 --> 02:12:49,500
joked about it because they were
ordered to let a man. 

2697
02:12:49,500 --> 02:12:54,200
Go, presumably by the martel's 
after bail or walk to Dorne. 

2698
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:57,500
He didn't just say, hey, peace. 
And Gee, he arranged the 

2699
02:12:57,500 --> 02:13:01,800
marriage of the future. 
Dare on the second Hague on. 

2700
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:07,100
In Aries, his child to Mariah 
Martell who was the daughter of 

2701
02:13:07,100 --> 02:13:09,500
the prince of Dorne at the time.
So they also had a marriage 

2702
02:13:09,500 --> 02:13:11,300
arrangement in place at that 
point. 

2703
02:13:11,300 --> 02:13:13,700
So that's part of my house will 
had limited. 

2704
02:13:13,700 --> 02:13:15,700
They couldn't just kill a man 
because that would throw off the

2705
02:13:15,700 --> 02:13:19,400
piece and they would really be 
in trouble with sunspear if they

2706
02:13:19,400 --> 02:13:22,900
just violated this peace deal 
that they're overloaded made. 

2707
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:24,900
But they had some wiggle room, 
and this is what they did. 

2708
02:13:24,900 --> 02:13:27,100
They said, okay, well, we're 
going Will be jerks about, 

2709
02:13:27,100 --> 02:13:28,500
that's why they could have 
gotten away with cutting a 

2710
02:13:28,500 --> 02:13:30,200
handoff, right? 
Taylor? 

2711
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:32,900
Wouldn't have thrown the whole 
peace deal away off of for that 

2712
02:13:32,900 --> 02:13:34,000
reason. 
It would have just been 

2713
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:38,400
upsetting but they absolutely 
had that room to maneuver to 

2714
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:41,000
maim. 
So when Baylor comes walking up,

2715
02:13:41,200 --> 02:13:43,700
the will start laughing and 
Eamonn starts to realize what's 

2716
02:13:43,700 --> 02:13:45,100
going on. 
He's like my king. 

2717
02:13:45,100 --> 02:13:48,000
Leave me. 
Don't just go, just keep going, 

2718
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:51,100
your life is more important and 
the rules will be laughing 

2719
02:13:51,100 --> 02:13:53,100
because a man's right there. 
Like yeah, his life is more 

2720
02:13:53,100 --> 02:13:56,000
important if this guy dies, we 
all go back to work again. 

2721
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:59,300
And Maybe with the wheels want 
but a man doesn't want it. 

2722
02:13:59,300 --> 02:14:01,600
So he's totally totally willing 
to die. 

2723
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:04,300
We've already seen jump in front
of a poisoned arrow and it's 

2724
02:14:04,300 --> 02:14:07,300
sort of his duty as a kingsguard
to it that his way of protecting

2725
02:14:07,300 --> 02:14:10,200
him at this moment is keeping 
himself from being saved. 

2726
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:13,300
Yes, not only, is it his duty 
but he knows what's at stake. 

2727
02:14:13,300 --> 02:14:15,200
Probably probably have enough 
time to think about it. 

2728
02:14:15,200 --> 02:14:17,800
He knows that if Baal or dies 
here. 

2729
02:14:18,300 --> 02:14:20,800
So many more people will die. 
It's not the same. 

2730
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:24,600
With with Darren with arguments 
were a little different saving. 

2731
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:26,200
Darren's life might not have 
saved. 

2732
02:14:26,300 --> 02:14:29,000
A bunch of other people's lives,
maybe it would have because of 

2733
02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:32,900
the Revenge Factor but this is a
lot clearer. 

2734
02:14:33,100 --> 02:14:36,700
Having the guy at the top who 
was a pacifist, a lot of people 

2735
02:14:36,700 --> 02:14:38,800
in Dorne wanted that. 
So did a lot OS, Taurasi, 

2736
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:41,000
probably and Prince Haman was 
probably one of them. 

2737
02:14:41,300 --> 02:14:43,900
It's probably like, yeah, the 
pious guy. 

2738
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:48,000
I'm the I'm a Pious guy. 
He probably liked bail or you 

2739
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:50,000
may have like Darren to because 
he was good at fighting but I'm 

2740
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:53,300
guessing of the two, he probably
side and more with bail or on 

2741
02:14:53,300 --> 02:14:58,000
like how to rule and other stuff
which See in our next episode 

2742
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,100
because the reign of Baal or is 
where we're going to be starting

2743
02:15:00,300 --> 02:15:04,300
where we're leaving things now 
is kind of a cliffhanger, a cage

2744
02:15:04,300 --> 02:15:07,800
hanger, some of you already, 
kind of know what happens but as

2745
02:15:07,800 --> 02:15:12,200
we're leaving things bail, or is
approaching bare feet, hot, 

2746
02:15:12,300 --> 02:15:15,600
probably very sunburned which 
would look kind of funny because

2747
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:17,600
I always picture the targaryens 
is very pale skinned. 

2748
02:15:18,500 --> 02:15:20,200
It's get my to toughen up at 
this point. 

2749
02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:22,700
You can walk around the Sun for 
months and months and months. 

2750
02:15:22,700 --> 02:15:24,900
You're right. 
This is on the way home son. 

2751
02:15:25,400 --> 02:15:29,200
Yeah, I do. 
I remembered all this from 

2752
02:15:29,200 --> 02:15:31,700
Baylor. 
I got I remember being inspired 

2753
02:15:31,700 --> 02:15:33,400
by this. 
That's one of my favorite little

2754
02:15:33,400 --> 02:15:34,700
bit. 
The other thing I'll be very 

2755
02:15:34,700 --> 02:15:36,800
cinematic, right? 
This Seen On TV would be just 

2756
02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:39,700
like Baal or like the wills 
laughing and joking and being 

2757
02:15:39,700 --> 02:15:43,700
cruel bail or being like 
determined and Amon just being 

2758
02:15:43,700 --> 02:15:45,800
desperate to get bail or to not 
die. 

2759
02:15:45,800 --> 02:15:49,500
Like no, don't die man. 
If you died hundreds of 

2760
02:15:49,500 --> 02:15:51,500
thousands more people will die 
or tens of that, something like 

2761
02:15:51,500 --> 02:15:53,500
that. 
So it went from him being may be

2762
02:15:53,500 --> 02:15:56,100
confused to like why are they 
doing this? 

2763
02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:01,000
Like, oh my God, Baal or stay 
away, just great drama. 

2764
02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:05,000
Great intensity, what a moment, 
George r.r., Martin, you did it 

2765
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:07,700
again. 
So, yeah, this was only halfway 

2766
02:16:07,700 --> 02:16:10,700
through, I guess being 
mentioned. 90 times means you 

2767
02:16:10,708 --> 02:16:14,200
can't fit into one episode, go 
figure. 

2768
02:16:15,300 --> 02:16:18,600
So we will be back next week 
with the continuing Saga of 

2769
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:20,400
Prince aemon. 
The dragonknight, we haven't 

2770
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:22,300
even gotten to the reign of egg 
on yet. 

2771
02:16:22,300 --> 02:16:25,300
We have a whole range of bail or
a brief reign of viserys the 

2772
02:16:25,300 --> 02:16:29,700
second House, twine, we've got 
the birth of a bunch of black 

2773
02:16:29,700 --> 02:16:32,000
fires. 
We've got all sorts of cool 

2774
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:35,600
stuff next time, around stuff 
that you have some familiarity 

2775
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:37,200
with. 
But this is from a totally 

2776
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:39,200
different angle from a totally 
different lens. 

2777
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:41,600
A character whose view on these 
things would be very different 

2778
02:16:41,600 --> 02:16:44,700
than a average view or the view 
from say, aegon, the Unworthy, 

2779
02:16:44,700 --> 02:16:47,600
these respective or one of the 
Blackfriars, so should be 

2780
02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:49,100
awesome. 
We're really looking forward to 

2781
02:16:49,100 --> 02:16:50,600
it. 
I had so much fun writing this 

2782
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:55,299
episode Nina did as well. 
That's why we wrote so much Sean

2783
02:16:55,299 --> 02:16:57,900
and she had some great Takes 
great comments stuff that we 

2784
02:16:57,900 --> 02:17:01,000
didn't think of until I'm fired 
up even though we're wrapping it

2785
02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:03,200
up here. 
Haha let's record part to right 

2786
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:07,200
now it's great to actually have 
some more to write for it. 

2787
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:11,500
I once I when I realized it was 
to stop focusing on the second 

2788
02:17:11,500 --> 02:17:14,600
half as much and just put the 
rest of my effort into part 1 

2789
02:17:14,700 --> 02:17:17,700
but it is mostly done. 
Trivia question. 

2790
02:17:17,700 --> 02:17:21,799
The question again was Loris 
Jamie and aemon. 

2791
02:17:21,799 --> 02:17:25,299
The dragonknight were among the 
youngest ever to join the 

2792
02:17:25,299 --> 02:17:29,600
kingsguard. 
The youngest ever was Roland 

2793
02:17:29,600 --> 02:17:31,600
darkling. 
Oh yeah. 

2794
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,600
How's darkling. 
Who is the house that has 

2795
02:17:34,600 --> 02:17:37,200
supplied the most ever Knight of
the kingsguard? 

2796
02:17:37,299 --> 02:17:41,500
I think it's seven which is way 
the most we did get someone who 

2797
02:17:41,500 --> 02:17:44,299
correctly, guessed that great, 
who is the good guesser? 

2798
02:17:44,299 --> 02:17:46,900
I'll shout them out. 
Can I scroll to talk to? 

2799
02:17:46,900 --> 02:17:49,600
I think it was whereas the 
person who guessed it was Thomas

2800
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:53,200
doll guests first and then 
Krieger damn wrongs that they 

2801
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:54,799
agreed. 
There was a shortly after but it

2802
02:17:54,799 --> 02:17:57,500
was Thomas Delk with us. 
The Queue at the end. 

2803
02:17:57,700 --> 02:17:59,400
Very nice. 
Good job y'all. 

2804
02:17:59,700 --> 02:18:02,100
Yeah, they're as usual. 
I like to make the trivia 

2805
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:04,700
question, pretty hard one. 
That's sometimes a trivia 

2806
02:18:04,700 --> 02:18:06,600
question. 
How many Starks have been on the

2807
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:08,600
kingsguard? 
Big fat? 

2808
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:11,400
Zero zero? 
Yeah, 0 partly. 

2809
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:14,100
Cuz of the Knighthood thing, I 
think like sand or members felt 

2810
02:18:14,100 --> 02:18:17,400
that was the one I thought but I
don't know who I stand or broke 

2811
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:19,799
that tradition of being the 
first one to not be a night. 

2812
02:18:19,799 --> 02:18:22,299
There may have been waiting for 
the but I don't think so and not

2813
02:18:22,299 --> 02:18:25,000
that Stark can't be Knights. 
It's just not very common. 

2814
02:18:25,299 --> 02:18:28,299
I can't name. 
Mmmmm a Stark that was knighted,

2815
02:18:29,100 --> 02:18:31,700
there's probably been a few. 
There's definitely Northerners a

2816
02:18:31,708 --> 02:18:34,100
good night, it occasionally, but
usually they worship your God. 

2817
02:18:34,100 --> 02:18:36,500
So they just, it's just a title.
They don't take on there. 

2818
02:18:36,500 --> 02:18:38,400
They can be just as chicken 
fight just as well as nice 

2819
02:18:38,400 --> 02:18:39,799
whatever brand have being 
obsessed with that. 

2820
02:18:39,799 --> 02:18:41,900
He's like, yeah. 
But how many of them nights and 

2821
02:18:41,900 --> 02:18:45,299
Luann's like there's no 
difference like the northern 

2822
02:18:45,400 --> 02:18:48,200
northern warriors on Horseback 
or the same. 

2823
02:18:48,200 --> 02:18:50,299
They just aren't called that 
he's like yeah. 

2824
02:18:50,299 --> 02:18:55,600
But how many nights brand was 
very obsessed with the grandma? 

2825
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:59,600
If bran He had gotten what he 
wanted the way he wanted been 

2826
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:01,100
the first. 
Yeah, he might have been the 

2827
02:19:01,100 --> 02:19:03,700
first Northern King start 
kingsguard. 

2828
02:19:03,700 --> 02:19:05,400
Yeah, that's what that's what 
that quote said he's. 

2829
02:19:05,400 --> 02:19:08,500
He wanted to be a kingsguard he 
and his father wasn't certainly 

2830
02:19:08,500 --> 02:19:11,400
wasn't saying no to him. 
At that point it we all know it.

2831
02:19:11,400 --> 02:19:15,000
Ned thought of that Duty and 
it's probably probably fought 

2832
02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:16,500
pretty probably would have 
thought highly of it. 

2833
02:19:16,500 --> 02:19:18,600
You know it's not like he needed
not like Ned was expecting him 

2834
02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:23,200
to inherit at the time with with
Rob around So next week of 

2835
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:26,500
course, is part 2 and we already
had our Poll for the episode 

2836
02:19:26,500 --> 02:19:28,600
that would normally have been 
next week, but has been bumped a

2837
02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:30,799
week. 
I titled, the pole Judgement Day

2838
02:19:30,799 --> 02:19:35,600
/ night, / Dawn, / dusk because 
it's more of an investigative 

2839
02:19:35,799 --> 02:19:40,100
questioning episode of the 
topics were, was it murder which

2840
02:19:40,100 --> 02:19:44,299
is reviewing suspicious deaths 
throughout history and in the 

2841
02:19:44,299 --> 02:19:47,500
main story and weighing in on 
whether with murder not hidden 

2842
02:19:47,500 --> 02:19:50,200
identities which is a delving 
into certain characters whose 

2843
02:19:50,200 --> 02:19:52,000
appearances? 
We don't know who they were 

2844
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:53,800
necessarily like the hooded man 
in Winterfell. 

2845
02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:57,800
For example, and who lives who 
dies are guesses on who's going 

2846
02:19:57,800 --> 02:20:01,000
to make it through the series, 
but the winner was trial by 

2847
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:05,400
Theory. 
We're going to review series 

2848
02:20:05,400 --> 02:20:09,600
that are out there in the fandom
both of the crazy and not so 

2849
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:11,500
crazy variety will have fun with
a little Bose. 

2850
02:20:11,500 --> 02:20:13,500
Many of them will come suggested
by y'all. 

2851
02:20:13,500 --> 02:20:16,700
So if you have theories you want
us to talk about start letting 

2852
02:20:16,700 --> 02:20:19,900
us know and we'll weigh in on 
them will judge them for their 

2853
02:20:19,900 --> 02:20:22,600
quality their likelihood to Be 
true and stuff like that. 

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It'll be a lot of fun, little 
bit different style episode, but

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that'll be in two weeks. 
And there's other topics will 

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have a chance to get made one 
day. 

2857
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If you sign up for patreon and 
vote for them, you can push them

2858
02:20:33,800 --> 02:20:36,700
in the direction you like that 
is how that works. 

2859
02:20:36,700 --> 02:20:38,000
We have a poll almost every 
week. 

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We also occasionally have all's 
for the scripted episodes that 

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are available to the 
higher-level patrons. 

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We mentioned quite a few of our 
other episodes in this one a 

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daeron the young Dragon Dark 
sister. 

2864
02:20:49,800 --> 02:20:53,300
The Lost Valyrian steel. 
Aegon the Unworthy and her black

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02:20:53,300 --> 02:20:56,100
Fire series the free city of 
lists probably some others 

2866
02:20:56,500 --> 02:20:58,900
that's a good place to start. 
If you want to check those out, 

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02:20:58,900 --> 02:21:01,700
if want to stay immersed, if you
were feeling sad that this 

2868
02:21:01,700 --> 02:21:04,200
episode is over and you want to 
stay in Westeros. 

2869
02:21:04,200 --> 02:21:06,200
Well, those are some great 
choices for you. 

2870
02:21:06,400 --> 02:21:08,500
A lot of them even deal with the
same time. 

2871
02:21:10,300 --> 02:21:13,600
Thanks to everyone who came and 
check this out, live, appreciate

2872
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:16,200
the thoughts from Nina. 
Appreciate the live comments and

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02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:18,800
questions. 
Thanks as always to Shawna seye.

2874
02:21:19,900 --> 02:21:23,500
If you joined us on patreon or 
through a Spotify subscription, 

2875
02:21:23,700 --> 02:21:25,900
we thank you very much for the 
financial support. 

2876
02:21:25,900 --> 02:21:28,100
One of the most important things
going on. 

2877
02:21:28,100 --> 02:21:31,800
Keep the show going, we do have 
sponsors, but it is patreon and 

2878
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:35,600
the Spotify subscriptions that 
matter the most because that is 

2879
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:38,200
the consistent, every month 
thing that we can count on 

2880
02:21:38,200 --> 02:21:42,700
whereas sponsors are Are here 
and there sometimes as we don't 

2881
02:21:42,700 --> 02:21:44,400
Can't rely on that, it's all 
great. 

2882
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:49,100
So you guys are the anchor, the 
core thing that matters the 

2883
02:21:49,100 --> 02:21:51,600
most, we appreciate that 
support, whatever. 

2884
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:54,400
Form it comes, whichever site 
you choose to support us on 

2885
02:21:54,400 --> 02:21:56,800
whether it's a one-time 
donation, through our website or

2886
02:21:56,800 --> 02:22:01,100
recurring sponsorship through 
patreon or Spotify. 

2887
02:22:01,100 --> 02:22:03,700
Honestly, the other great way to
support, as if you don't feel 

2888
02:22:03,700 --> 02:22:07,400
that you have the money to 
donate, I think it's just as 

2889
02:22:07,400 --> 02:22:12,300
valuable to to Us to share the 
word, you know, not just like on

2890
02:22:12,400 --> 02:22:14,500
social media. 
But if you have people in your 

2891
02:22:14,500 --> 02:22:16,800
life, that would be interested. 
I think that is also just as 

2892
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:18,900
valuable to us. 
I agree where your history 

2893
02:22:18,900 --> 02:22:20,900
Westeros shirt. 
True. 

2894
02:22:20,900 --> 02:22:23,100
Get history. 
I think like yeah. 

2895
02:22:23,100 --> 02:22:27,400
If you ain't which also costs 
money, but the point is, I also 

2896
02:22:27,400 --> 02:22:30,000
appreciate the support and 
sharing the show. 

2897
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:32,400
I suppose, just as much as I 
appreciate it in the monetary 

2898
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:34,500
value, I agree that I think 
there's something a little more 

2899
02:22:34,500 --> 02:22:37,100
special about someone being 
genuinely enthusiastic enough to

2900
02:22:37,100 --> 02:22:39,600
tell their friends about us. 
That that something Out that 

2901
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:43,400
just makes me feel that's more 
about what it's about, we need 

2902
02:22:43,400 --> 02:22:48,900
the money to live, you know? 
But I've care about the respect 

2903
02:22:48,900 --> 02:22:51,300
and regard more, you know, on an
emotional level. 

2904
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:58,500
So yeah, that does mean thanks 
as well to Joey, Jesse and brand

2905
02:22:58,500 --> 02:23:01,500
for our Music. 
Our intros are various intros 

2906
02:23:01,500 --> 02:23:04,500
and things that we use depending
on which format we're going with

2907
02:23:04,500 --> 02:23:08,800
On Any Given Sunday or even 
occasionally other days. 

2908
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:11,900
Thanks a lot to Michael Clara. 
Felled for the maps in our 

2909
02:23:11,900 --> 02:23:15,900
original video intro, we love 
you Michael and we'll see you 

2910
02:23:15,900 --> 02:23:20,000
all. again, next week for part 2
and more, you know, what to do 

2911
02:23:20,008 --> 02:23:23,700
in the meantime, Valar reread it