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The silver and purple of House 
Molester has long been the least

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welcoming sight to an Iron Born 
Raider, and anyone who makes the

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Ironborn think twice about the 
things they do is someone you 

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want on your side in a fight or 
just in general. 

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This is a house as proud as 
houses get, but it's a different

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kind of pride. 
It's the pride of 

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accomplishment, the kind of 
pride you earn. 

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The kind of pride we can look 
back on your family history and 

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say, yeah, we've been doing it 
right. 

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Not the kind where you just feel
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your ancestors were powerful and
or rich. 

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Well, to be fair, there's some 
of that too. 

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But that first part I think is a
big difference maker. 

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Like a lot of houses, we get to 
explain and or consider their 

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position in history throughout a
number of eras, right? 

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And, but unlike a lot of houses,
they're pretty different from 

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the rest in their respective 
region. 

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It's difficult to disrespect 
housemaster. 

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Many accomplishments, few 
scandals, frequent honors, rare 

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failures. 
But I will be drawing a lot of 

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comparisons in this episode 
about how they're really not the

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same. 
They're different than a lot of 

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other river ranch houses and, 
and in a lot of ways they would 

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fit better in a different 
region. 

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Something we'll delve into. 
How did they get this 

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reputation? 
Why are they held in such high 

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regard? 
Why do I think they might fit 

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better elsewhere? 
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that's their motto, and they do 
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So that's going to be a big part
of this. 

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Though their past is rich, we 
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discuss as well. 
This is a house that has managed

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to conserve most of their 
strength throughout the War of 5

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Kings. 
That positions them to do things

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where whereas other houses might
be a bit incapable, they're 

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they're spent. 
There's been no change of 

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lordship with House Mouster 
during the series, and the man 

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in charge is as strong as he is 
capable. 

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Looks to me like George's. 
Yeah, he's got them in mind for 

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some end Game of Thrones action 
or something along those lines. 

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And they're close, very close 
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They've got a problem with Black
Walder right now. 

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He's kind of holding them 
captive in their own castle. 

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Now. 
What do they think of Euron? 

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I mean, that's they're supposed 
to be all about fighting the 

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Ironborn, and they got this kind
of new breed Ironborn that 

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frankly doesn't really care 
about them too much. 

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So what do they think of him? 
And what about Patrick 

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Mallester's friendship with 
Theon? 

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That's a most unusual 
connection. 

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Does that mean anything? 
Is that going to play out some 

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way? 
And the Mousters know who Rob 

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named as heir. 
They were involved in his will. 

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Does that mean they might go 
north at some point to fight an 

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even more dangerous enemy? 
All that and more on this 

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episode of History of Westeros 
Podcast. 

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Hello and welcome. 
It's time to talk about House 

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Maluster, the Silver Eagles with
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the rest, all proud and cool 
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She had some excellent additions
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Happy birthday to Good Queen 
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Good queenalley.tumblr.com is 
where you can find her on the 

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Internet. 
And the current post over on her

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blog is discussing discussion, 
discussing the clans of the 

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veil, what future they might 
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other clans outside of the veil 
to take a, a bigger look at the 

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whole thing. 
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You're gonna want to check that 
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This is Topics Moot 2026, 

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episode number 2. 
Thank you all for voting for 

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this. 
Those of you who participated in

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Topics Moot, we got 12 topics 
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made. 
This is the second one. 

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House Fossaway was #1 and I 
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Maoist or history, just like I 
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Very different experiences, a 
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a lot not so much. 
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You should be able to find us 

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our trivia question for the day.
The answer's going to be at the 

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end as usual. 
The 3rd house mentioned in all 

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of A Song of Ice and Fire in 
book 1 is the Mallester's name. 

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One or both of the two that get 
named before Mallester? 

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That's right, there are two 
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that their prologue. 
What are they? 

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This episode actually has a lot 
of sections, more than usual, 

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partly because there's just a 
lot of different things that Mao

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stores are involved with. 
Most of these are shorter 

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sections, so we'll be doing 
Tidbit here, tidbit there, but 

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they're all linked. 
They're very consistent. 

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That makes for very fun 
comparisons across eras and 

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makes the exceptions all the 
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So we'll get started with first 
dimension and 1st appearance as 

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we so often do. 
Then the Andal Eagles, the Cape 

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of Eagles, Sea Guard, Mallister 
culture, old stones housed, 

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Justman had the Storm Kings, the
phrase in the crossing, the 

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eagles in shame. 
Then we get to Eagles under the 

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Dragons. 
Eagles can dance to the Last 

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Reaver, A tragic friendship, A 
song of ice and Fire and Eagles.

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Jeffrey Mallester, Lord Jason 
Baylon's Rebellion, The 

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Whispering Wood and the Battle 
of the Camps, The Kingdom of the

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North, The Pallbearer, The 
Witness, the Red Wedding, 

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Mallester versus Pike under 
Blackwalder, and finally, where 

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Eagles dare to finish it all 
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Like I said, a lot of short 
sections, a bunch of different 

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things that the Mallester's were
involved with here and now. 

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So let's get to it with that 
first mention. 

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I told you with the trivia 
question. 

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The third ever house mentioned 
in the Song of Ice and Fire is 

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House Malester. 
Obviously that means the 

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prologue, right? 
We're not sitting around waiting

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for several chapters before 
these names get dropped. 

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Let's have that quote where 
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Here it is. 
Will had been a hunter before he

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joined the Night's Watch. 
Well, a poacher in truth. 

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Malester Free riders had caught 
him red handed in the Malester's

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own woods, skinning one of the 
Malester's own bucks, and it had

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been a choice of putting on the 
black or losing a hand. 

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No one could move through the 
woods as silent as Will, and it 

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had not taken the Black brothers
long to discover his talent. 

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This is something you might pick
up on reread. 

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Not all houses slash Lords would
offer the wall as a penalty, 

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that's just that's fallen off. 
Certainly in the North it's 

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common still, if not ubiquitous,
but elsewhere not so much. 

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I mean, there's still a lot of 
Lords that offer the the black. 

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But I mean, look at what 
happened at the end of the Dance

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of the Dragons. 
Until one person thought of it, 

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no one had even brought it up. 
One one of the Kings guards, 

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like I'm going to take the black
and a bunch of other people 

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like, Oh yeah, it actually 
wasn't the Kings guard. 

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It was Perkin the flea. 
I think it was. 

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And I bet all of a sudden when 
the idea was floated, a bunch of

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other people said, Oh yeah, I 
want to take the black. 

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That's a great idea. 
Let's do that. 

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It just goes to show how that's 
kind of falling off. 

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But the Mallester's very 
traditional and Dennis Mallester

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is the commander of the Shadow 
Tower. 

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They they literally have a 
representative in the nearly at 

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the top living there and giving 
an example of a different type 

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of service, different type of 
duty. 

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That's actually something we'll 
get into later. 

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How the wall and fighting 
against Ironborn Raiders. 

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There's a lot they have in 
common there. 

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And of course the Maisters by 
extension, would have a positive

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view of such a thing. 
People whose job it is to defend

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the realm against Raiders. 
Well, that's what they do, 

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right. 
So the nights watch sea guard 

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already. 
You've got something very, very 

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central in common there. 
Duty defense, right. 

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And this sentence passed on will
it would have been passed by 

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Lord Jason Mallister himself. 
You can't have stewards and 

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administrators sentencing people
to the wall that is for the Lord

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and only the Lord or maybe the 
heir, right. 

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You don't have like maesters and
yeah, like imagine Vine Poole or

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Sir Roderick. 
They can't, you can't do that 

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unless you're appointed 
castellan. 

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And even then they're right. 
They wouldn't, they didn't want 

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to execute sentence on on who 
they thought was Reek. 

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It was actually Ramsay, of 
course, but they couldn't hang 

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him because that's for Rob to 
do. 

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It's not their purview. 
They don't have the the 

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authority to pass sentence like 
that. 

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But of course, in this moment, 
Will is only thinking about the 

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Maoisters. 
He's not seeing them or they're 

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not present. 
By the way, nice little joke 

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there he is caught red handed. 
I'm sure his hands were actually

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bloody. 
He was skinning a buck. 

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There you go. 
That's about as red handed as it

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gets. 
Anyway, let's let's move on to 

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their first appearance. 
It's Catlin's point of view when

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we see them. 
It's a good place to start 

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because she is the daughter of 
Hoster Tully. 

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Catlin knows the Maoisters well.
Hoster was the Maoisters Liege 

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Lord for a long time, now it's 
Ed Muir. 

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They would have gone to River 
Run plenty of times. 

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And we know Catlin's been to Sea
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She remembers. 
Well, she doesn't remember being

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there. 
Well, I'm sure she does, but 

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it's not what we hear about. 
The memory we get is her on the 

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way to Sea Guard. 
So we know unless something 

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happened, they went the rest of 
the way. 

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Her memory is actually 
pretending to be Jenny of Old 

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Stones, because they stop at Old
Stones on the way. 

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And of course, young Peter 
Baylis pretends to be Duncan the

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Small. 
How dare he? 

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At least he, at least he was 
small. 

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That part's accurate. 
When we actually meet Lord Jason

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in this Catlin chapter, the 
circumstances are nothing like 

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her going to visit Sea Guard as 
the daughter of the Liege Lord. 

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It's very different. 
Here we go, quote. 

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They followed the sounds around 
a lazy bend of the road and saw 

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them, a column of armed men 
noisily fording a swollen 

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stream. 
Catlin rained up to let them 

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pass the banner. 
In the hand of the foremost 

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rider hung Sawdon in limp, but 
the guardsmen wore indigo 

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cloaks, and on their shoulders 
flew the silver eagle of Sea 

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Guard malicesters. 
Sir Roderick whispered to her as

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if she had not known. 
My Lady, best pull up your hood.

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Catlin made no move. 
Lord Jason Mallister himself 

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rode with them, surrounded by 
his Knights, his son Patrick by 

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his side, and their Squires 
close behind. 

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They were riding for King's 
Landing in the Hands tourney, 

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she knew. 
No word on Patrick, but Lord 

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Jason actually does pretty well 
in the tournament. 

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I don't think Patrick actually 
competed. 

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He's not Sir Patrick. 
So yeah, it's generally maybe 

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he's a couple years away from 
being ready for that, even 

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though he was ready shortly 
after this to be 1 of Rob's 

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personal guard. 
Either way, we don't get a full 

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accounting of how the tournament
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It just sort of skips ahead. 
At some point we know that Lord 

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Jason beats Sir Aaron Santegar, 
and then it's just then it came 

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down to 4, The Hound, the The 
Mountain, Sir Jamie and Loris 

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Tyrell. 
So yeah, at some point Jason 

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loses, but we don't know if 
you're thinking about Ashford 

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Meadow, which a lot of us are, 
because whenever a tournament 

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comes up, that one pops into my 
head. 

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There weren't any malasters at 
Ashford Meadow. 

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They do like tournaments. 
They're they're frequent 

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attendees to tournaments, as 
this example shows us. 

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But interestingly enough, that 
was maybe a wise move on their 

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part to not beat the tournament.
Not that it would have been such

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a big deal to take a few weeks 
off or whatever, but around the 

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time of Ashford Meadow, not long
after is when Dagan Greyjoy gets

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going. 
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of effort for the malasters, 
although it's it's also possible

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Dagan Greyjoy just kind of 
avoided them. 

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We'll see. 
We'll get to that part in good 

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due time here. 
This next paragraph, still 

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sticking with this Catlin 
chapter, is pretty significant 

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as well, because we actually get
a description of Lord Jason, the

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Lord of Sea Guard. 
Here it is quote. 

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She studied Lord Jason boldly. 
The last time she had seen him, 

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he had been jesting with her 
uncle at her wedding feast. 

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The Malicester stood bannerman 
to the Tullys, and his gifts had

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been lavish. 
His brown hair was salted with 

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white now, his face chiseled 
gaunt by time. 

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Yet the years had not touched 
his pride. 

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He rode like a man who feared 
nothing. 

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Catelyn envied him that she had 
come to fear so much. 

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As the writers passed, Lord 
Jason nodded A curt greeting, 

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but it was only a High Lord's 
courtesy to strangers chance met

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on the road. 
There was no recognition in 

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those fierce eyes and his son 
did not even waste a look. 

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This is followed by some 
dialogue where sure, Roderick is

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surprised that they weren't 
recognized, especially Lady 

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Catlin not recognized. 
But she responds that that's 

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just how it is. 
They're not going to bother 

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looking at peasants. 
That's what they saw. 

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They see peasants, they're not 
going to. 

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The last thing in their mind is 
I wonder if that's a a high born

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person in disguise, You know, it
just does not cross their mind. 

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But that's interesting too that 
Jason is the example here. 

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It's not because there's 
something wrong with him. 

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This isn't an an insult to him, 
right? 

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Like I just made the point, you 
know, it would be pretty weird 

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for him to be curious about that
about random peasants on the 

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road. 
There's nothing there's no, 

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there's nothing bad about it, 
right? 

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It's just it's just normal, 
right. 

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And you know, I don't pass 
people on the subway and wonder 

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if there's someone in disguise, 
you know, so, and this is 

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important as early set up 
because there's a lot of 

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characters who go around and 
disguise not just PO VS but 

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other people and including 
Catlin's own daughters, right? 

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We got Cat and Elaine. 
They are Incognito using her 

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half of her name, right? 
Cat and Elaine, Cat of the 

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Canals. 
And this is neat, how she and 

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her daughters are experiencing 
these different things and 

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making use of it in the same 
way, allowing this to work for 

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them, allowing the fact that 
nobles don't bother to look at 

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peasants, using that to their 
advantage. 

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Lord Jason is somewhere between 
older than he looks and has aged

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well, right? 
This is the presentation of a 

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man leading a house with a proud
warrior tradition. 

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George isn't trying to be too 
subtle here. 

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He's he looks like the man he 
is. 

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Like the description sort of 
matches the character here. 

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That's not always the case, but 
in this this time, it is. 

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These are guys who defend 
against the worst of the worst. 

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That's their entire life, their 
entire tradition, their reason 

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to attra why they're there, 
right? 

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To do what you are. 
To be a defender against the 

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Ironborn means constant 
vigilance, toughness, you know, 

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bravery. 
You got to be training. 

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You got to be in shape. 
Yeah, I mean, that's a tough 

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job. 
So this is something I'm going 

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to get out off and on this 
entire episode. 

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This is a house that's very 
proud, but they have a very good

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reason to be proud right there. 
They have a tough job. 

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They've done it well. 
And it's one of the most 

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esteemed things you can be in 
Westeros is a good fighter, but 

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someone who doesn't use that for
evil or for villainy or for for 

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undue gain, Right. 
So Lord Jason, Yeah, he looks 

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like he looks the part, right? 
He's a chip off the old Eagle 

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Block. 
He looks like the avatar of what

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a Lord of Sea Guards should look
like. 

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I'm not as sure about Patrick 
Mallister, though. 

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We'll, we'll come back to him 
again. 

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We're we're trying to go 
chronologically here. 

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This is just our intro. 
But yeah, Patrick, he doesn't 

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quite come off the same as his 
father. 

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I didn't say he's young, so 
maybe he'll change. 

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Maybe he's more of more of a 
chip than I'm saying. 

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But yeah, like I said, we'll 
come back to that now. 

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There may have been First Men 
Mallisters, but they weren't 

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noteworthy. 
If so. 

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Doesn't seem like it though. 
They they really just come off 

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like and all nobility that has 
been and all nobility for a long

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time. 
That is their vibe that's 

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through and through. 
They come off that way. 

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What's a little unusual about 
them is that they were kings. 

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So that gives them a little 
extra measure of pride, maybe a 

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big extra measure of pride. 
But they weren't first men kings

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and they weren't kings right 
away when they and all like 

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that's what happened with the 
and dolls. 

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A lot of and dolls came in, 
became kings, took over a lot of

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these kingdoms. 
The Mousers became kings after 

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that, like a lot of them, and 
dolls have moved in. 

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The Maosters became kings during
that period, after a lot of the 

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other Andal warlords had already
been established. 

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That's a little unusual, but 
also it was because they're good

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at fighting, and it was also 
because they didn't fight 

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against other Andal warlords. 
They fought against the 

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Ironborn, which you know that 
that means they're not getting 

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involved in conflict with their 
own people, so to speak. 

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Now eventually the Maosters 
submitted to Greater Andal 

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Kings, but I'm not sure it was 
through force. 

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They may have just marriage 
alliance style. 

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Like who wants to take on in a 
campaign the house that is made 

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their whole life beating the 
ironborn. 

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Like that's not such a pushover 
house. 

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Of all the houses in the 
Riverlands, the the Maoisters 

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are one of the least ones that 
I'd want to tangle with because 

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if like it's all they do is 
fight ironborn, right? 

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Like these guys are good at 
fighting good against fighting 

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against people who are really 
good against fighting too. 

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The Andal Eagles. 
The idea that the Maoisters 

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began as an Andal house makes a 
lot of sense beyond what I've 

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already said. 
During the intro, I pointed out 

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that they don't necessarily fit 
in the Riverlands in a certain 

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way. 
Like in certain ways they fit 

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perfectly. 
They are crucial to the 

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Riverlands existence the way it 
is like if they without them, I 

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don't know, Ironborn might have 
had a lot more success against 

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the Riverlands and the 
Riverlands might be a much 

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different place today. 
But if I said that they were a 

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Veil house or they originated in
the veil, which they didn't as 

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far as I know, but if they said 
they were a veil house, they 

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would it would fit they would be
perfect fit for that, right? 

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Don't they seem like a a great 
match for like a Bronzeon Royce?

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That kind of value system that 
like proud, upfront, 

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straightforward, not mincing 
words, no intrigue, right, just 

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solid, right. 
And with the all the, the pride 

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and the, there's no lack of, I 
mean, there's no examples of 

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things that normally come from 
the first man Riverlands houses 

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like the Brackens and the 
Blackwoods, their ancient 

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rivalry, right? 
It's just there's the sea guards

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rivalry is against the iron 
board, right? 

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And going back to the Blackwoods
in a different way, the history 

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of first men blood means things 
like skin changing and other 

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supernatural things, connections
to the old gods. 

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Mousers don't have any of that. 
That's just not their bag. 

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They're they're a nightly house,
which again, that's the the veil

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is the heart of nightly houses 
that have no connection to 

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supernatural. 
The reach is where the other 

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seat of chivalry is right, But 
the reach has all these 

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connections to Garth Greenhand 
and these semi legendary, if not

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mythical figures. 
There's a lot of supernatural in

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that background. 
Mouse just don't have that. 

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Eagles were supposedly at the 
command of Sir Artis Aaron. 

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That fits better, right? 
It sounds like they belong 

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there. 
Eagle's nests get made really 

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high. 
They're called eeries, for God's

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sake. 
An eagle's nest is called an 

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eerie. 
Like the eerie. 

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So, yeah, you see where I'm 
going with this? 

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Sea Guard, in a way, could be 
like the bloody gate of the 

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Riverlands. 
It's maritime rather than 

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orogenous. 
Yes. 

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Orogenous meaning to do with 
mountains. 

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Yeah. 
Fancy word there. 

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Cape of Eagles. 
On the other side of Westeros, 

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the eastern side, there's the 
fingers, right? 

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The Cape of Eagles is kind of 
like a thumb or maybe some other

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appendage pointed directly at 
the Iron Isle, as if to say 

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that's who we care about. 
Like this is pointing this way. 

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Well, yeah, see right over here,
pointing at the Ironborn this 

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way and then on the map that 
way, pointing the thumb that 

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way. 
It's a full time job, right? 

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You can't just casually take 
care of the Ironborn. 

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So the, the name Cape of Eagles 
implies that eagles live there 

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probably in good numbers, which 
also implies that there's some 

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hills or mountains there at the 
Cape of Eagles, which is another

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thing that's different, right? 
The Riverlands isn't known for 

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its mountains, but eagles need 
high places. 

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That's where they live. 
So that's another thing that's 

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more feels more germane to the 
veil, right? 

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Again, that comes up hills 
maybe, though also definitely 

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forests. 
We know the Cape of Eagles is 

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forests. 
It's not a highly populated area

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probably, but surely people do 
live there. 

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This is probably where the eagle
sigil came from. 

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This is why it's kind of notable
that, you know, a lot of houses 

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came with a sigil already or 
they adopted a new one. 

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They did house where this is 
just very clearly tied to the 

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area where they were became 
established. 

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I'd be quite a coincidence of 
otherwise like, hey, we're the 

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maesters. 
We've just come over from 

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Angelo's. 
Where do the Eagles live in this

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country? 
Let's go later. 

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We're going to go there wherever
they are. 

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We're going to go meet up with 
our mascots. 

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So these are probably sea 
eagles, by the way, that hunt 

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fish off the Cape there. 
There's a lot of different types

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of eagles. 
It's it's kind of a loose term 

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eagle. 
I doubt Westeros is particularly

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deep on the science there. 
So it's just whatever looks like

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an eagle to them is an eagle, 
but still close enough. 

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And yeah, eagles do fishing 
there. 

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I love a lot of maosters do 
fishing too. 

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And they got to watch out for 
those Ironborn. 

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It was none other than Torgon 
Gray Iron AKA Torgon the late 

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Comer, the one who missed the 
King's moot and then contested 

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the Sea Stone chair because he 
missed the King's moot unfairly.

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He won and was a powerful king 
and his descendants follow him 

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without having to win King's 
moots of their own. 

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But he could not hold the Cape. 
He could not hold the Cape of 

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Eagles despite being capable and
strong ironborn King. 

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It was the Maesters who took it 
from him, and after his reign 

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they claimed the rest. 
They took most of the Cape of 

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Eagles from him during his 
reign, and then the rest, I 

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suppose, in the next rain or 
two. 

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00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,360
And that's when they became 
kings. 

453
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:07,080
And so again, they didn't incur 
any enmity from other Riverlands

454
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,040
houses because they didn't say, 
hey, I want your land. 

455
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,440
Then they said, no, we're going 
to come in here and take land 

456
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,320
from the Ironborn and make a 
Kingdom out of that that's 

457
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,320
respectable. 
A lot of other Riverlords would 

458
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,040
be like, ah, cool. 
Not only when they respect that,

459
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,880
but they'd just be like, hey, 
these guys just set up a 

460
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,440
defensive position between our 
lands and the Ironborn. 

461
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,080
Hell yeah, that's great. 
What a windfall. 

462
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,720
These these guys have just 
decided to set up and fight the 

463
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,320
Ironborn. 
That's great for everyone. 

464
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,160
Why wouldn't you like that if 
you're their neighbors? 

465
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,880
So they came in as the best 
neighbor possible, basically 

466
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,600
like, hey, I'm not going to. 
I'm going to come in here, be 

467
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,560
friendly to you and fight your 
enemies. 

468
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,680
Hell yeah, right. 
That's great. 

469
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,440
So I, I suspect that it was one 
of the more welcome additions to

470
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,480
the Riverlands, if not the most 
welcome, because they weren't 

471
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,520
trying to fight any of the other
first men or and alls. 

472
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,720
They were just trying to fight 
Ironborn. 

473
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,480
Technically Ironborn are first 
Men and and all, but you get 

474
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,560
what I'm saying. 
Different, different religion, 

475
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,800
different culture, it's all 
that. 

476
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,680
So I and I suspect the Cape of 
Eagles and maybe a little more 

477
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,400
to the north was their domains 
when they were kings, because 

478
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,920
South of their domains is where 
there was a lot of established 

479
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,760
power already from talking about
how they were able to expand 

480
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,760
into previously uncivilized or 
ironborn held areas where 

481
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,160
they're not going to expand S 
because that's where old stones 

482
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,520
was. 
That's where king the kings of 

483
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,640
House mud were. 
And of course, to the east, 

484
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,240
there's Bracken and Blackwood 
and Tully to the southeast and a

485
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,040
lot of other very powerful 
Riverlands houses that the 

486
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,600
Maisters apparently never had 
any major long term wars with. 

487
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,840
I'm sure there's been some 
issues. 

488
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,160
I'm sure it wasn't just all 
perfect all the time, but for 

489
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,000
the most part, they're a great 
neighbor and they're not going 

490
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,280
to be picking on you and you 
don't want to mess with them 

491
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,480
because they're so good at 
fighting. 

492
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,680
Like who picks on the Mousers 
other than Ironborn? 

493
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:58,440
Even the Ironborn avoid them a 
lot of times, as we'll see. 

494
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,160
So the Cape of Eagles is a 
perfect example, right? 

495
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,400
It was a real accomplishment 
taking that from the Ironborn, 

496
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,760
but not just taking it, holding 
it, right? 

497
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:13,120
It's not, it's the constant 
depredations and raiding and 

498
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,920
striking as if from nowhere that
make places like this unlivable.

499
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,080
So I suspect the mousters, well 
they just can't defend every 

500
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,280
inch of coastline. 
There's no ports on the Cape of 

501
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,920
Eagles, nothing big anyway, so I
suspect they just just adapted 

502
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,080
and said, hey, y'all, stop 
fishing, go hunting, go inland, 

503
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,920
farm, do things that the 
Ironborn can't get so easily to 

504
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,320
your lands. 
Let's live in like a couple 

505
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,120
miles inland where they have a 
harder time raiding us, you 

506
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:44,120
know, things like that. 
Natural adaptations rather than 

507
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,880
you can't just fight everything,
you know? 

508
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,440
So the Ironborn have their 
advantages and you can't give 

509
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,800
into that. 
You have to set your Kingdom up 

510
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,200
or your region up in a way that 
makes it harder for them. 

511
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,760
Fishing is life for a lot of 
people, so you got to protect 

512
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,680
against that. 
So you have to also defend the 

513
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,400
coasts, but you also have to 
make it that every single 

514
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,640
fishing village, well, you can't
defend them all, so you got to 

515
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,240
do something about that. 
Of course, I mentioned earlier 

516
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,760
hunting instead of fishing. 
Well, don't do that in the 

517
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,040
Mallister only woods or you'll 
end up in the end up like Will. 

518
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,240
Well, probably not as a white, 
but on the wall. 

519
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,640
Yeah. 
Sea Guard itself. 

520
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,160
Let's keep the map in mind here 
as she has got some nice 

521
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,600
different versions of our our 
favorite maps to show you what 

522
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,920
we're looking at here. 
Siguard isn't actually on the 

523
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,240
Cape of Eagles. 
It's like right below. 

524
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,000
It is, if you use my earlier 
example of it, like a thumb. 

525
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,360
It's like the base of the palm, 
like the final knuckle, not that

526
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,600
far from the neck, which is a 
good thing. 

527
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,440
The neck isn't bothering them 
and they're not bothering the 

528
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,840
neck. 
It's like the phrase or the 

529
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,760
phrase or antagonistic towards 
the Kranigman. 

530
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,720
There's no evidence or history 
that we know of where the 

531
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,480
mousters would pick a fight with
the Kranigman or vice versa. 

532
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,720
And why would they? 
It's silly. 

533
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Why would you want to fight them
then? 

534
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,680
Why would the Mausers want to 
fight anybody else when they're 

535
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,760
so busy with the Ironborn? 
So I think they probably just 

536
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,760
left each other alone. 
They may have even been friendly

537
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,600
neighbors. 
But then, you know, nowadays the

538
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,760
phrase have since moved in. 
I mean, that was 600 years ago, 

539
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,800
but in ancient times there was 
there weren't any phrase. 

540
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,120
And it may have been more of a 
Direct Line between Kranigman 

541
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,120
and Malusters, but I don't know 
what that would have looked 

542
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,760
like. 
Still, it's a defensive minded 

543
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,800
castle. 
They're not interested in swamps

544
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,720
and bogs, right? 
It's not probably as extreme as 

545
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,720
Castle Black. 
Sea Guard is where Sea Guard is 

546
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,560
where Castle Black isn't 
defended. 

547
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,360
Defencible from the South, which
was kind of intentionally 

548
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,320
designed that way. 
I'm sure Sea Guard is somewhat 

549
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,680
concerned with their eastern 
neighbors, even though the 

550
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,480
Ironborn are their main thing. 
They this the coastline in 

551
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,520
general South of Sea Guard is 
very fertile. 

552
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,840
I suspect they controlled less 
of it in ancient times, maybe 

553
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,680
even more of it now, because old
stones would have ruled a lot of

554
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,800
that. 
And now there's just nothing 

555
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,400
there. 
Old stones is just a ruin and 

556
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,880
there's no one really has a lot 
of sway over those lands. 

557
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,920
So I think malice or by default 
have a lot of that. 

558
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,720
Now they have something called 
the the booming tower, which is 

559
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,200
the a big, a really tall tower 
like it sounds in in Sea Guard 

560
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,520
that has a huge bronze bell 
within it. 

561
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560
And they ring it whenever long 
ships are sighted. 

562
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,600
It's probably really high up 
because you would want to be 

563
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,840
able to see the ships from as 
far away as possible. 

564
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,840
And you want the sound travel as
far as possible too. 

565
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,160
It's probably pretty high up 
there, right above the rest. 

566
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,040
And this is not a job for random
guardsmen. 

567
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,480
I feel like, yeah, I'm I'm a 
using my imagination here. 

568
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,120
Maybe this is a stretch, but I 
think this is probably close to 

569
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,560
what it looks like. 
It's a job. 

570
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,000
It's a dutiful, important job. 
It's a honor to be a watchman at

571
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,840
the booming tower. 
It's the whole purpose of this 

572
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,840
place's existence, just to guard
against the Ironborn. 

573
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,280
And this is the first line of 
defense. 

574
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,720
This isn't the kind of job where
you fall asleep on watch, for 

575
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040
one thing, because I doubt it's 
just one person. 

576
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,880
I bet it's a group, maybe a 
squad of 12, where you got a 

577
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,600
captain, couple of lieutenants, 
or a second in command, a 

578
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,600
Sergeant, something like that. 
And you got people who are 

579
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,680
constantly just looking out in 
all directions and they're proud

580
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,080
of that job. 
And if someone is not good at 

581
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,480
it, they get sleepy, they become
not, they become they're not 

582
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,240
vigilant enough. 
Well, you get replaced, you 

583
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,640
know, you find someone else 
who's willing to do that job and

584
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840
is good at it. 
And and given the vibe of the 

585
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,120
Malusters, hundreds, if not 
thousands of years of fighting 

586
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,760
the Ironborn, you got young 
people probably signing up for 

587
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,160
that job. 
It's probably a legitimate 

588
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,960
honor. 
You might get a special badge. 

589
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,800
You know, maybe it's like 
something like a lot of nations 

590
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,160
in the real world and or 
whatever or whatever have had 

591
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,080
compulsory military serve. 
I'm not just talking about 

592
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,040
drafts, but that is a version of
that. 

593
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,280
Plenty of countries where you 
have to serve in the military 

594
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,600
for a few years. 
I wouldn't be surprised if 

595
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,880
that's the case with the 
malusters. 

596
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,600
Well, we're a military region. 
We have fighting is our 

597
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,160
business. 
We have to we're defensive 

598
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,280
culture here. 
So I don't know if they're 

599
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,280
forcing people in. 
They might be, but more it's 

600
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320
very likely a lot of people are 
proud to join it, even if even 

601
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,840
if they are forced. 
But I'm guessing that they might

602
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,200
not need to force people that 
people just join because they 

603
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,760
want to, because they want to 
be. 

604
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,520
They want to wear the silver and
purple. 

605
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,040
They want to have that eagle on 
them. 

606
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,480
They want to be part of the 
thing that this culture, this 

607
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,840
local region is most proud of. 
People would sit back in the 

608
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,400
Tavern and reminisce about their
two to three years of duty on 

609
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,640
the Booming Tower, and it's like
they'd all have something in 

610
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,840
common. 
We all did that. 

611
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Two to three to four years of 
service there. 

612
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Maybe there's a lot of other 
bells, like at what? 

613
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,440
What besides the booming tower? 
Is there more, right? 

614
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,000
If the booming tower goes off, 
that probably sends a signal 

615
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,960
elsewhere. 
There's probably other towers, 

616
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,280
lesser bells that ring in 
concordance with that to spread 

617
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,120
the word. 
I don't know if one bell is 

618
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,200
enough, right? 
Let everybody know. 

619
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,160
Not at the entire Malister 
region won't hear this bell. 

620
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Maybe the ones you know farther 
inland don't need to hear it, 

621
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,160
but they probably do. 
You want to rush and defend it, 

622
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,280
right? 
This is something Fred is all 

623
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,080
hands on deck without the deck 
kind of moment. 

624
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,840
So and you they have their 
patrol ships out there too. 

625
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,680
Like these ships would be 
looking for long ships. 

626
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,680
And if they see one, I bet they 
have Ravens. 

627
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Just let a Raven go. 
It goes back to Sea Guard. 

628
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,600
And there's no way the Ironborn 
can stop that message from 

629
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,560
getting there. 
It's a great system of warning. 

630
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,840
I think that sounds like really 
efficient, really effective. 

631
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,480
I'm sure they'd rather use 
eagles than Ravens, but it 

632
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,360
doesn't work that way. 
Now. 

633
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Lord Jason currently says during
the War of 5 Kings, he tells Rob

634
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,760
that he has two warships and six
long ships. 

635
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,680
Not a huge fleet, but I bet 
prior to Aegon's conquest, when 

636
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,560
the Ironborn had free reign, I 
bet the Lords of Seaguard kept 

637
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,760
larger fleets. 
Maybe not huge, nothing like the

638
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,480
Arbor, but more than two 
warships and six long ships. 

639
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,200
Because once Aegon conquered the
Ironborn and the rest of 

640
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,400
Westeros, well, he put an end to
the old way. 

641
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Obviously it wasn't completely 
ended, there's always people 

642
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,680
here and there, but it was no 
longer a state sponsored 

643
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,720
activity and that's a big, big 
drop off in so that Sea Guard 

644
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,840
would have a little bit less to 
do. 

645
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,680
They seem to have a lot of 
longbowmen. 

646
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,960
That's the thing we see. 
We hear of Maostril Bowman a 

647
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,480
couple different times 
throughout the War of 5 Kings 

648
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,480
and that really makes sense. 
If you got ships coming to shore

649
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,040
to attack you and you see them 
come in, well that's one of the 

650
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,680
best things you can do before 
they land is shoot at them. 

651
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,880
You know, longbows are something
you can train maybe people who 

652
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,480
aren't as brave as everybody 
else. 

653
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,840
You know, you're shooting at a 
distance. 

654
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Not everybody is capable of 
charging with a sword and 

655
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,040
fighting Ironborn hand to hand. 
But you can put the bow in the 

656
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,680
hands of a lot of different 
people and they can be effective

657
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,160
without having to come into 
close quarters standing on top 

658
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,800
of a wall shooting down. 
Yeah, you don't need to be super

659
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,440
brave to participate in the 
defense on those terms. 

660
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960
So we don't know what it looks 
like, Seaguard. 

661
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,240
I picture the interior as a 
chronology of Malester heroism. 

662
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,920
Again, a warrior defensive 
minded culture is going to take 

663
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,800
pride in its success in that on 
those terms. 

664
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,720
How many Malester Knights and 
Lords and a few kings personally

665
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,240
slew Ironborn champions? 
Well, we know of one in recent 

666
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,840
times. 
What we'll talk about. 

667
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,360
These are the sorts of stories 
in a place like this that never 

668
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,640
died. 
These are the things you would 

669
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,200
make tapestries of paintings 
that when Lord Blankety Blank 

670
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,160
Mallester killed Bloggity BLOB 
Greyjoy in single combat, that 

671
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,800
would be a day to remember. 
And they would make sure it was 

672
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,160
remembered with poetry, with 
writing, with maybe even 

673
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,280
performances, plays, things like
that. 

674
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,920
Definitely ornaments on the 
wall. 

675
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Like that was his shield. 
That was the sword that slew 

676
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,840
this, this iron borne reaver 
that put an end to this raid or 

677
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,080
the King Greyjoy himself was 
slain by. 

678
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,000
Yeah, there's got, I mean, we're
talking to eon the history. 

679
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,480
There's got to be a substantial 
amount of, well, think about, 

680
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,640
you know, who comes to mind 
here? 

681
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,600
Sir Eustace Osgre, a man who 
lives in the past because he has

682
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,080
no present and no future. 
That's what the Maosters would 

683
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,960
be if they didn't still have a 
purpose. 

684
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,760
Most likely they would be their 
current Lord would just be a sad

685
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,040
man looking at the looking at 
the past, cleaning the Shields 

686
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,120
of warriors who died 300 years 
ago. 

687
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,960
He only he remembers their 
stories. 

688
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,280
Maosters aren't faced with that 
because the iron border still 

689
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,679
threat. 
They're not going anywhere. 

690
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,719
They still have that purpose and
they aren't faded glory. 

691
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,159
They're not a relic of the past.
They still have a purpose. 

692
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,760
And that is huge. 
If you don't have a purpose, 

693
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,320
well, in the real world that's a
big problem too. 

694
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,080
A lot of people are very aimless
or lost or do act out because 

695
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,719
they don't feel like they have a
place in this world. 

696
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:42,719
Mallister's don't have that 
problem. 

697
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,280
Lord Jason Mallister would have 
fought for Hosker Tully and 

698
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,320
Robert Brathian on the Trident. 
3 of Rhaegar's bannermen were 

699
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,440
slain by Lord Jason. 
More on that later. 

700
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,360
So you'd have these kind of 
things, these are the kind of 

701
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,360
things that would be the 
captured banners captured, you 

702
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,800
know, axes, swords, bows, just 
whatever all over the walls of 

703
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,880
Sea Guard. 
And, and by the way, if we're 

704
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,400
looking into the opposite way, 
it would be the thing. 

705
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,400
This would be a thing too. 
And what I mean by that is, you 

706
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,400
know, the Ironborn or even more 
about taking things from people 

707
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,600
and using them, right? 
Like the Maoistor might kill a 

708
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,240
Greyjoy, but they're not going 
to wear his helmet. 

709
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,600
But a Greyjoy might kill a 
maluster and show off that he 

710
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,120
killed a maluster by wearing an 
eagle helm and be like, oh you, 

711
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,040
that's the iron price right 
there. 

712
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,920
A purple maluster club. 
That's probably very prized by 

713
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,720
Ironborn rager because that 
means you beat someone whose 

714
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,040
entire purpose is to defeat you.
That is, that's an 

715
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,640
accomplishment. 
If you're Ironborn, you killed 

716
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,040
some malusters. 
Like we, we literally see a, an 

717
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,080
Ironborn captain under Euron 
wearing a Lannister breastplate 

718
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,640
and everybody's like, look what 
he did. 

719
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,960
That's a that's a captain's 
breastplate. 

720
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,040
That's in terms of a culture 
that respects the iron price. 

721
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,000
That was a high price in iron. 
You paid for that one and 

722
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,280
malusters would be the same 
thing. 

723
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,320
And you're not killing a 
maluster easily. 

724
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,360
That's a good segue for our Next
up subtopic, which is maluster 

725
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,200
culture. 
The malusters, in part because 

726
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,480
of geography, are above the rest
in the Riverlands when it comes 

727
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120
to feuding. 
A look through their a general 

728
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,160
overview of their history shows 
very little getting involved in 

729
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:22,040
politics and intrigue and taking
sides and blood feuds unless 

730
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,360
it's against the Ironborn. 
That's who they focus on and 

731
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,840
they try to stay out of 
everything else. 

732
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120
And that's, that's respectable. 
I got to say, in terms of 

733
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,320
Westerosi standards, they they 
fight, but they fight 

734
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,040
defensively. 
They're tough, but they're not 

735
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,800
tough about pushing other people
around, right. 

736
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,040
There's, like I said earlier, 
there's no Brack into their 

737
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,800
Blackwood, no bolts into their 
Stark. 

738
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,360
They're not associated with 
madness or magic. 

739
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Yeah, the Ironborn, other 
cultures have dedicated 

740
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,280
themselves to fighting the 
Ironborn either out of necessity

741
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,200
or otherwise, like the Mormons. 
But the Mormons in the Mousers, 

742
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,920
like they don't have that much 
in common culturally. 

743
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,240
Again, skin changing is a big 
Mormont thing. 

744
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,440
They have a lot of that going on
their their land. 

745
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880
The Bear Island is so very 
different than sea guards 

746
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,280
territory. 
Bears versus eagles. 

747
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,800
Oh my right. 
And we got first man origin 

748
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,360
versus and all origin. 
It would be pretty sweet to have

749
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,600
a Maoist or eagle skin changer, 
even though I'm down on that 

750
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,800
possibility. 
Iron more would never sneak up 

751
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,840
on that. 
Let me tell you. 

752
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,360
Or El, the eagle on the side of 
the maosters, that kind of 

753
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,680
thing. 
No, that's just not their thing,

754
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,280
though, really. 
Nightly virtues, honors, 

755
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,000
chivalry, fighting attorneys, 
that's their bag. 

756
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,120
And that does not. 
That's that. 

757
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Again, it just sounds like the 
Veil. 

758
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,320
And let's remind ourselves that 
Sea Guard is not far from the 

759
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,680
Veil. 
It might be like, wait, really? 

760
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Yeah. 
The Veil ends right at the tip 

761
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,960
of the Neck there. 
There's like a almost like a 

762
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,240
three-point border where the 
Neck and the North or the North 

763
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,640
and the Veil and the Riverlands 
kind of all come together. 

764
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,400
They're near the Twins. 
So actually there is a 

765
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,480
connection to the Veil in terms 
of nearby geography. 

766
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,360
It's not a well traveled region 
there, but it is. 

767
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,760
It is there. 
Yeah. 

768
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,000
So other houses that have a 
little bit in common elsewhere 

769
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,040
with the Maoesters would be the 
Shield Islands, right? 

770
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,480
They're a Marshall tradition, 
fighting the Ironborn nightly. 

771
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,480
They might be the closest, the 
most similar to the Maoesters in

772
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,320
that regard. 
The Dornish marches would be 

773
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,240
another good example. 
Houses that are very proud, 

774
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520
they've fought the Dornish for a
long time. 

775
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,360
And it's a one way relationship.
What I mean by that is the 

776
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,520
Ironborn raid the Riverlands. 
Maosters don't raid the 

777
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,320
Ironborn. 
The same thing is mostly true 

778
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,040
for the Dornish. 
Dornish marches relationship. 

779
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,760
Yes the the people the marches 
do sometimes attack into Dorn, 

780
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,240
but it's usually Dornish Raiders
invading the Stormlands or the 

781
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,400
Reach or well those places 
really. 

782
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,280
And because you just don't want 
to chase the Dornish back into 

783
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,040
darn, you don't want to fight 
the Dornish in the desert, 

784
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,360
That's a suicide. 
Similar reason why you don't try

785
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,720
to fight the Ironborn at sea. 
The Mousers don't even bother 

786
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,000
with that. 
They know it's giving up the 

787
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,240
advantage. 
Don't fight them on their terms.

788
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:04,800
So let them come and then we'll 
use our defensive advantages 

789
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:06,960
when they're foolish enough to 
fight us. 

790
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,960
When they come and fight us head
on, we'll we'll beat them. 

791
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,560
If they're going, if they're 
going to avoid us, well, so be 

792
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,040
it. 
If they're going to go attack 

793
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,560
the Shield Islands, then well, 
hopefully the good luck to you 

794
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Shield Islanders. 
We're focused on our territory, 

795
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,120
only we're not going elsewhere. 
So it's defense, permanent 

796
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,880
defense. 
There's no end game to this, 

797
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,560
right? 
If the Ironborn keep coming, 

798
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120
they will keep fighting back. 
Now, you might think, as I said,

799
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,720
using the example of sure, 
Eustace Osgre, how they might 

800
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:34,120
have been on the verge of not 
having a purpose anymore, right?

801
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,000
300 years. 
Hang on, the Conqueror ended the

802
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,360
old way. 
They didn't forget, just like a 

803
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,440
lot of the Marcher houses 
haven't forgotten about what 

804
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,960
Dorn is capable of. 
They're still proud and warlike 

805
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,120
and work hard at the business of
knighthood. 

806
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:50,360
Right? 
And as if to remind them or us 

807
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,800
or Westeros that just because 
all that time passed doesn't 

808
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,400
mean the Ironborn have been 
civilized. 

809
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,680
If the Ironborn were gone, it'd 
be something else. 

810
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,200
Like back to Eustace Osgre, 
there just isn't a threat of 

811
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,240
landster invasion in the in the 
in the West or from the West as 

812
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:06,800
there used to be. 
And the border isn't even where 

813
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,280
it used to be. 
And the Osgres aren't powerful 

814
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,600
anymore. 
So even if that border came 

815
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,040
back, would the Osgres even be 
the ones that's in charge? 

816
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,760
I don't know, but this has this 
has not happened to Seaguard. 

817
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,560
They even after all the old way 
being banned. 

818
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,760
Well, what happened 10 years 
before the Song of Ice and Fire 

819
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,320
started? 
Bailon Greyjoy's Rebellion Sea 

820
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,320
Guard was attacked by the 
Ironborn. 

821
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,520
The bell rang. 
It hadn't rung in 300 years, but

822
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,600
they kept that vigilance. 
Bailon probably thought they had

823
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,080
gone LAX. 
She's probably like, ha, ha, 

824
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,360
they haven't. 
They haven't fought us in 300 

825
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,120
years or so. 
They're probably slack, wrong. 

826
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,720
And that just proves to them 
they can remember that they can 

827
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,280
say, look, we didn't really have
to deal with them for a while, 

828
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,960
but they still attacked us 300 
years later. 

829
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,080
That proves that we cannot be 
slack. 

830
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,640
If that happened, it can happen 
again. 

831
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,520
They have strong evidence that 
maintaining vigilance is wise. 

832
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,960
The phrase would argue that the 
Kranigman maybe are in that 

833
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,640
category of Raiders who you 
can't follow back into their own

834
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,360
land. 
But I wouldn't necessarily 

835
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,880
agree, 'cause I feel like the 
phrase kind of started all that.

836
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,080
But I don't know, maybe not. 
Either way, the phrase want that

837
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,600
counted, but I don't count them.
So yeah, that's why their pride 

838
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,760
is maintained for so long. 
That's why it's a confident sort

839
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,480
of pride rather than a toxic 
pride where they just feel like 

840
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,280
they deserve it. 
You know, this is earned, as 

841
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,840
they keep saying and will 
probably keep saying, they stand

842
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,480
for too much. 
They don't have a lot of 

843
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,200
scandals. 
They're good at fighting. 

844
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,400
And that is the bedrock value of
Westerosi society, being stout, 

845
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,520
immovable, defensive, strong, 
and virtuous in a world of Aryan

846
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,800
Targaryens. 
They are the Sir Humphrey 

847
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,920
Harding of houses. 
They just quietly kick ass and 

848
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,720
don't back down, you know, keep,
keep your nose clean. 

849
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,120
If if someone brings you into a 
fight, fight it, but don't be 

850
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,320
the one to start that fight. 
And they don't need to talk 

851
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,360
loudly because their actions 
speak so loudly. 

852
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,240
And they look cooler than House 
Harding. 

853
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:59,080
Honestly, Purple's a royal 
color. 

854
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,920
So is silver. 
They just, they're upscale. 

855
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,640
I mean, diamonds are pretty 
upscale too. 

856
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,800
But you know, I, I prefer the, I
prefer the, the eagle sigil. 

857
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,400
Even their men at arms are 
probably cooler looking than 

858
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,200
most 'cause it's just a Marshall
culture, right? 

859
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,240
You want your, your warriors to 
be proud. 

860
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:16,960
They want to feel, they want to 
be included. 

861
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,400
They want to be part of that 
something that, that proud 

862
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,000
tradition of defense, standing 
for something, standing for 

863
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,520
justice, standing for good, 
standing against depredation, 

864
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,680
standing against evil, right? 
Like that's something to be 

865
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,120
proud of. 
So old stones, let's talk about 

866
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,080
old stones. 
In ancient times, old stones 

867
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,320
ruled over the Riverlands as the
mud Kings. 

868
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,960
Proximity means a lot amongst 
the nobility, right? 

869
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,960
Just being nearby gives you 
FaceTime with Lords. 

870
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,600
And. 
And that's why I bring this up 

871
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,640
because when the Muds ruled the 
Riverlands, the Maoisters were 

872
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,640
their neighbors. 
It's not the same as the 

873
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,000
Maoister when the Tullys rule. 
The Maoisters aren't neighbors. 

874
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,680
Or the Tullys. 
I mean they're not super far 

875
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,600
away but I mean right next door 
the the adjacent sub region 

876
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,240
there. 
I bet there were a lot of 

877
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:10,920
marriages between Mallester and 
Mud Muddister and this cause and

878
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,640
and they would have a a 
relationship. 

879
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,320
You'd think that would function 
pretty well 'cause the 

880
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,360
Mallester's focus West on 
defending that border of the 

881
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,520
Kingdom and the old stones, 
whatever its original name was. 

882
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,880
We don't know what the name of 
the castle was. 

883
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,840
The Muds could focus on 
administering the Riverlands. 

884
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,800
They they turn their focus E 
Mallester's West together. 

885
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,520
That works pretty well. 
You're right, it's aggressive 

886
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,360
defense. 
Offense is not the best defense 

887
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,240
in their minds. 
Just hold it to the it's like 

888
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,520
protection but not the mafia 
style protection. 

889
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:46,120
But they would get reward and 
acclaim and high status and high

890
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,320
standing in this Kingdom of the 
Muds because of their role, 

891
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,680
which in those days was a lot 
more important because the 

892
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Ironborn were their own Kingdom.
You know how they were. 

893
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,080
They would like, that's their 
goal, to inflict this harm, to 

894
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,520
do the old way. 
And the the more powerful the 

895
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,400
foe they defeat, the more proud 
they are. 

896
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,360
And that's, that's the Mausers. 
That's who they want to knock 

897
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,080
off the top. 
So I think that could have been 

898
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,560
a very powerful relationship, a 
very good working relationship 

899
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,880
between the Muds and the 
Mausers. 1 protects the 

900
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,760
shorelines, the other rules the 
rest. 

901
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,640
How's Justman? 
Well, that's who came along 

902
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,000
after the Muds, when the Muds 
fell after the Christopher and 

903
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,760
as we heard from Rob and Catlin 
when they were at his sepulchre,

904
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,240
there was a 30 year campaign by 
Benedict Rivers, who was a 

905
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Westeros's Romeo and Juliet love
child because his mom and dad 

906
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,760
were a Bracken and Blackwood and
they were, he was a bastard. 

907
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,760
They weren't married so, but 
this was a really capable guy. 

908
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,400
He formed a 300 year dynasty 
that ruled over the Riverlands. 

909
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,720
Now, just like under the Muds, 
the Ironborn are going to keep 

910
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,560
doing their thing. 
There's no reason for them to do

911
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,360
ACT differently here. 
They're going to keep raiding 

912
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,040
the coasts up and down and 
trying to carve out holdings or 

913
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,840
conquer more of the mainland or 
not just doing their thing. 

914
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,880
You know, they were there, which
depending on which Ironborn 

915
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,000
King's in charge at that time. 
Either way, the Maosters would 

916
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,480
have to stay focused. 
So if the some sort of internal 

917
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,040
conflict is happening, not only 
can they not afford to get 

918
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,200
involved, not only do they not 
want to get involved because 

919
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,240
these things have a way of 
snowballing and of moving beyond

920
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,280
a single generation. 
Bracken and Black was the most 

921
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,080
extreme example. 
But like they want to do 

922
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,920
anything they can to avoid that 
sort of long term entanglement. 

923
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,920
Because what would they have 
learned after thousands of years

924
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,600
of defending against the 
Ironborn? 

925
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,440
They would know a lot. 
They're rather experienced in 

926
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,520
this. 
They know when the Ironborn like

927
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,200
to attack. 
They know the types of 

928
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,600
opportunities that the Ironborn 
like to seize on, and a very 

929
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,280
obvious one is civil conflict. 
If the Riverlands is fighting 

930
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,280
itself, the Ironborn are like, 
yes, let's do that. 

931
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,280
And that's the time when the 
Maoisters might be most needed 

932
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,320
to join the civil conflict. 
That's the time where they have 

933
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,800
to be strong and firm and say 
no, because if we join this war,

934
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,480
the Ironborn will attack. 
And that's worse than whatever 

935
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,240
the outcome of this war is 
probably going to be. 

936
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,320
So we're going to stay here with
most of our soldiers and you 

937
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,400
guys know, we're not just saying
that you know it's true. 

938
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,760
Like it would be an easy excuse 
to make and maybe a few malice 

939
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,280
or Lords have used that excuse 
when it wasn't really true. 

940
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,080
But for the most part, it's a 
fact that if you send your 

941
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,080
soldiers inland to deal with 
other things happening, the 

942
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,240
Ironborn will take note and 
seize that opportunity and 

943
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:33,120
attack. 
And before you know it, they'll 

944
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,440
have run off with a bunch of 
effectively slaves, right. 

945
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,120
You know, that's not what that. 
And that's what I'm saying. 

946
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,040
These men, these defenders of 
Sea Guard have something to be 

947
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,040
proud of is that's the fate 
they're saving people from. 

948
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,040
It isn't just loss of property. 
And loss of property can be the 

949
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,800
difference between life of life 
and death. 

950
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,440
Like what if they burn your 
fishing boat? 

951
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,000
That's it. 
What do you do for a living Now?

952
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,160
What if? 
But what if they carry off your 

953
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,640
wife or your daughter or both? 
I mean, yeah, these are things 

954
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,720
that people really need, really 
don't want that happening. 

955
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,320
So, and in fact, this is proven 
almost this, this point about 

956
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,000
the malice for saying, no, we're
not getting involved. 

957
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,840
We got to be vigilant here. 
It was the Ironborn who ended 

958
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,680
the Justman line after all that.
Even after this wariness, it was

959
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,640
still the Ironborn who brought 
it all to brought it all to an 

960
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,000
end, a bloody end. 
A large battle between the two 

961
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,080
kingdoms, between the Ironborn 
and the Justman kingdoms 

962
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,360
resulted in defeat for King 
Bernard the 2nd. 

963
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,440
And he had to send his sons, all
of them, to Pike as hostages. 

964
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,320
Yeah, it didn't go well. 
King Cored Horror murdered them 

965
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,560
afterwards. 
And King Bernard launched A 

966
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,120
hopeless like, he was just like 
late with his taxes, like a 

967
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,800
little bit. 
And so he just killed all of us.

968
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,200
It was really like, whoa, that 
is really heavy-handed. 

969
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,400
And King Bernard launched a 
campaign of revenge, which was 

970
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,600
referred to as hopeless. 
And indeed, it was he, but he 

971
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,080
didn't give up. 
He couldn't go. 

972
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,560
He couldn't give up. 
He was just too distraught in 

973
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,040
grief. 
And his Kingdom went with him. 

974
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,040
The maleisters probably saw it 
coming. 

975
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,920
They're like well this guy is 
going to attack the Ironborn on 

976
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,120
their own shores. 
Like or attack them when we're 

977
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,920
under manned. 
They would know as well as 

978
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,680
anyone how hopeless that was. 
But they're also honor bound to 

979
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,480
fight till the end. 
This is what Tywin Lannister 

980
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,520
predicted in the War of 5 Kings 
that the the maleisters wouldn't

981
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:28,440
be a big problem because they 
lack the strength to be of huge 

982
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,840
issue for the Lannisters on 
their own, but they wouldn't 

983
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,200
give up easily because of honor.
So this is the Tywin was is very

984
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,080
good about that, about knowing 
how each Lord is going to react 

985
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,560
to certain. 
One of the few times he was 

986
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,560
wrong was Robb Stark, and he was
wrong several times. 

987
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,680
But in general, he knows these 
Lords quite well and is able to 

988
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,600
predict their actions. 
Sometimes it's very easy like, 

989
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,920
well, Lord Frey is not going to 
join that guy only joins when 

990
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,800
he's winning. 
Easy call Mallister similar. 

991
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,440
It was similar for him. 
Like, yeah, Jason Mallister's 

992
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,840
not going to give up easily, but
he's not stupid either. 

993
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,440
And that was pretty much right. 
So it was a gruesome end to the 

994
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Justman Kingdom, and it became 
gruesome afterwards too, because

995
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,520
the Ironborn, without a 
contiguous solid Kingdom and 

996
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,440
just sort of a bit of anarchy in
the Riverlands, that's exactly 

997
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,520
the state of affairs where the 
Ironborn most thrive. 

998
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,320
Now, what happened 100 years 
later was hell, House Teague 

999
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,360
made themselves kings of the 
river lands. 

1000
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,640
But like I said, it was still 
anarchic because they weren't 

1001
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,600
able to have full control and 
they were constantly putting 

1002
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,880
down rebellions or fighting to 
regain this or that. 

1003
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,200
It was never very well held. 
And that of course, meant plenty

1004
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,840
of Ironborn opportunities. 
As I said, the Mallisters may 

1005
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,120
have just kind of sat back 
through all that because again, 

1006
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,360
well, we're defending against 
the Ironborn and they're rather 

1007
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,520
active. 
And during this time there was a

1008
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,200
final battle called the Battle 
of 6 Kings, which was the end of

1009
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,080
House Teague's pretensions for 
the Kingdom and end of House 

1010
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,120
Teague in general. 
It was also a moment of 

1011
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,400
opportunity for Blackwood to 
regain the high seat. 

1012
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,240
They lost that too. 
The Mauser don't seem to have 

1013
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,000
been involved in any of this, 
which is a good part of my basis

1014
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,560
for the continued strategy of 
them to staying out of things 

1015
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,320
like this, but there was 
certainly a change. 

1016
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,400
Regardless, all this anarchy did
resolve in the Storm Kings 

1017
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,760
moving in. 
Yes, House Durandan were now the

1018
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,440
overlords of all the Riverlands.
At least it wasn't Ironborn. 

1019
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,240
The Mousers would have really 
hated that. 

1020
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,360
In fact, they might not have 
even cared that much that they 

1021
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,080
were ruled from Storm's End 
rather than old stones. 

1022
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,400
Or we don't actually know where 
the Justman Castle was or the 

1023
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,040
Tegues or anything like that. 
It's, I mean, they're nightly, 

1024
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,200
they've worshiped the Seven. 
It might not have been such a 

1025
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,720
bad thing. 
And Sea Guard is really far from

1026
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:47,440
Storm's End. 
It's the extreme West of the 

1027
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,640
Riverlands and Storm's End is in
the extreme east of the 

1028
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,320
Stormland. 
So that might have been a decent

1029
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,920
situation for them. 
They might not have been asked 

1030
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,720
for much. 
They might not have the Storm 

1031
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,800
Kings might not have pushed much
on them because of the 

1032
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,400
difficulty in bringing them to 
heal. 

1033
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,560
If they were a problem. 
Also, they would be like, yeah, 

1034
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,240
you guys just keep taking care 
of this Ironborn. 

1035
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,200
That's just keep doing that. 
We're we're cool with that. 

1036
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,840
The Stormlands would get it too.
I mean, they don't live over 

1037
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,840
there, but they've got their own
coasts. 

1038
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,240
The Narrow Sea is full of 
pirates and slavers. 

1039
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,840
So yeah, they're not, they would
understand even if they don't 

1040
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,920
deal with iron more directly, 
they deal with their ilk. 

1041
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,160
So yeah. 
Now this is something we 

1042
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,800
discussed in the context of our 
Fray history episode as well, 

1043
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,320
because it was during the rain 
of the Storm Kings in the 

1044
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,080
Riverlands when the frays first 
appeared. 

1045
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,560
And the frays are important here
because they are as soon as they

1046
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,000
appeared, they became the 
closest lordly neighbor to the 

1047
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,720
malasters, at least as far as 
major houses go. 

1048
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:43,600
So let's go talk about that. 
The phrase and the crossing. 

1049
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,480
It's a neighbor of consequences,
right? 

1050
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,520
Whereas before the area was kind
of loosely governed, lesser 

1051
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,520
nobility, most, like we said, it
was probably just kind of 

1052
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,280
sometimes the Mousers collected 
taxes from the peasants there, 

1053
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,680
maybe other people dead, but it 
was just kind of far out there, 

1054
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,880
kind of ungoverned. 
I don't know. 

1055
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,600
The phrase took over the area, 
made it into something. 

1056
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,280
Of course, at first it was just 
two wooden tower houses and a 

1057
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,280
wooden bridge. 
No big deal, not they're not 

1058
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,240
very powerful. 
Our at the time, we theorized 

1059
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,120
that maybe the phrase were 
originally a house from the 

1060
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,440
Stormlands because it was a 
storm. 

1061
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,600
Kings were ruling the area at 
the time and they might want to 

1062
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,840
put one of their own in place. 
And Sea Guard might have even 

1063
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,240
liked it because, hey, they put 
a bridge over that. 

1064
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,640
Maybe they use that bridge where
the Sea Guard's like, hey, we 

1065
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,480
get more. 
We get more goods coming 

1066
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,760
through. 
It's easier for us to order 

1067
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,600
supplies. 
And we're we're more connected 

1068
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,160
to the rest of the Kingdom this 
way. 

1069
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,520
That might be that might have 
been a positive. 

1070
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,720
They might have even paid. 
They may have been very willing 

1071
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:36,720
to pay the toll quite often. 
Like, yeah, you guys are doing a

1072
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,600
good job here because, again, 
they're not looking for trouble.

1073
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,280
And the phrase aren't what the 
phrase are now the early, early 

1074
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:42,960
phrase. 
Yeah. 

1075
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,320
OK. 
These guys built a bridge. 

1076
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,480
That's cool, right? 
What's what's wrong with that? 

1077
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,280
Maybe as the phrase gained more 
power and maybe the maybe things

1078
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,600
became more touchy later as they
started to enforce their own 

1079
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,360
borders and maybe border 
disputes between Frey and mouse 

1080
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,240
or started to become a thing. 
I doubt it was ever that bad 

1081
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,080
because again, even the phrase 
aren't dumb enough to pick on 

1082
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,760
the mouse. 
There's like who who fights a 

1083
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,800
house that's all about fighting,
you know? 

1084
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,840
You just don't do that lightly. 
Definitely dummies at the top 

1085
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,280
who make that call, but they 
aren't going to be super common 

1086
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,280
either. 
The eagles in shame. 

1087
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,400
Yeah, I said when the Storm 
Kings ruled the Riverlands. 

1088
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,000
At least it wasn't the Ironborn.
But that did happen afterwards. 

1089
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,960
Right? 
After 300 years of Stormlands 

1090
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,600
rule, Harwin Hard Hand, King of 
the Iron Isles, landed his fleet

1091
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,280
of long ships only 40 leagues 
South of Sea Guard. 

1092
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,840
I wonder if that was just too 
big for them to handle, or maybe

1093
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,840
they had grown slack, or I don't
know. 

1094
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,320
I doubt they could have stopped 
it in any case 'cause this is a 

1095
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,680
whole fleet this isn't. 
I don't think Seaguard could 

1096
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,160
handle that by themselves. 
This is a guy who came in force 

1097
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,520
to conquer the whole Riverlands,
so that does definitely implies 

1098
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,320
a big army. 
He did win. 

1099
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,480
He pushed out Storm King Ark 
Durandan. 

1100
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,360
And how bad is this? 
That's why I say this is the 

1101
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,160
Eagles in shame. 
There's a century of blood 

1102
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,280
right? 
That came the year after the 

1103
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,320
Doom. 
This is a century of shame for 

1104
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,880
the Maosters. 
What's worse than being an anti 

1105
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,160
Ironborn house? 
Your entire existence is built 

1106
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,240
on that and you're ruled by the 
Ironborn. 

1107
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,440
Terrible, right? 
And it was a century long. 

1108
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,760
That's why I call it that. 
So it must have been excessive. 

1109
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,960
The depredations, they probably 
felt, they probably faced all 

1110
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,360
sorts of insults, mockery. 
You can just hear the jeering of

1111
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,080
an Ironborn Lord or a group of 
them below the above the rest, 

1112
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,440
calling them below the rest as 
they were drowned, you know, 

1113
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,800
drowning a mouse holding his 
head underwater, as you say, 

1114
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,760
below the rest. 
Yeah. 

1115
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,160
It writes itself, doesn't it? 
We're told Harwin spent most of 

1116
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,680
his reign putting down 
rebellions. 

1117
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,680
I mean, go figure. 
The Riverlands didn't want to be

1118
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,800
ruled from Pike, and the 
Maoisters were probably a big 

1119
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,480
part of that, both in the rabble
rousing and in the actual 

1120
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,400
fighting. 
They were probably watched. 

1121
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,080
I mean it doesn't doesn't take a
genius to know that the anti 

1122
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,880
ironborn house is probably going
to be a problem for you as an 

1123
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,360
ironborn king. 
It's almost a maybe it's even a 

1124
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,600
miracle that they survived, that
they weren't made extinct. 

1125
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:11,320
Might maybe just because it 
would have been too much of a 

1126
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,120
problem to do that it would have
been too difficult. 

1127
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:15,240
And maybe it would have been 
something they eventually did. 

1128
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,360
Obviously Harwin, not him, 
because his descendants didn't 

1129
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,360
do it either. 
But maybe if Herron the Black 

1130
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,280
hadn't been knocked off the top,
maybe if they had been able to 

1131
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,320
establish themselves after 
Herrenhall, he would have taken 

1132
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,160
a step like that. 
But Nope, the kings of the black

1133
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,040
line, the horror kings, they 
didn't re establish the old way.

1134
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,520
It was kind of a new way, but 
not that different from what the

1135
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,440
Maoisters were fighting against.
It was still it's still being 

1136
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,520
ruled by the very people they 
pledged to defeat. 

1137
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,600
Their entire existence is about 
so it's it's like a permanent 

1138
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,840
state of defeat and shame. 
It also did mean an end to their

1139
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,000
purpose, right? 
They Sir Eustace Osgre example 

1140
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,800
comes back once again. 
Who are you supposed to fight 

1141
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,080
against when you have no enemy 
anymore? 

1142
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,200
It's worse when your enemy is 1 
and rules you though that then 

1143
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,000
they're legally allowed to do 
the things they're doing to you.

1144
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,640
Yeah, legally in quotes, right. 
So, but, and but I'm not, can't 

1145
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,680
go too far with that because, 
well, the Ironborn, not they, 

1146
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,360
they rule you. 
So there is something to fight, 

1147
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,480
right? 
It's it's, they're not gone. 

1148
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,280
Your purpose, in fact, maybe 
even is even higher now. 

1149
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,320
Not just defending against them.
It's getting them out. 

1150
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,960
You lost time to make good on 
that time to reverse that 

1151
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,880
situation. 
Real a real tough timeline for 

1152
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,760
them to stomach a real test of 
their virtues. 

1153
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,840
It's it's, it's good that they 
made it out OK from all that. 

1154
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,760
I bet it's literally the worst 
century in Mao's history. 

1155
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,720
You know, like there might be a 
special section of their records

1156
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:38,080
where like the that's these 
books are locked down. 

1157
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,760
You know, they don't necessarily
want a lot of people reading 

1158
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,240
that stuff, but when the chance 
so when the chance came to end 

1159
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:46,280
it all, when there was finally a
real movement towards 

1160
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,880
overthrowing the black line, 
they were very ready to help. 

1161
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,120
Eagles under the Dragons, the 
Malasters rose with the Tullies 

1162
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,200
to fight against Heron. 
They were second after the 

1163
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,400
Blackwoods in terms of the role 
of houses mentioned. 

1164
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,280
They were ready to help. 
Of course they were very ready 

1165
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,080
to help. 
Now it's just a the order that 

1166
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,080
they're listed doesn't 
necessarily mean anything, but 

1167
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,560
they're still they're mentioned 
prominently. 

1168
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,200
I doubt anyone even had to ask. 
It was like, yeah, the Malusters

1169
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,960
are going to help us for that. 
What for sure, We don't even 

1170
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,880
have to send a message. 
Just let it just tell them we're

1171
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,320
about to go to war with the with
the Ironborn and they'll be 

1172
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,040
ready. 
And Herron was deeply unpopular 

1173
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,080
Despite that. 
Like he could have been from the

1174
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,440
Riverlands and everybody would 
have hated him anyway, but it 

1175
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,880
was worse because he was an 
Ironborn worshipping the Drowned

1176
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,840
God. 
So Egg and the Conqueror shows 

1177
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,920
up, burns Harrenhal. 
Like I said, the Tullys and the 

1178
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,680
Malusters and all the others 
join quickly. 

1179
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,080
And then Aegon went to the Iron 
Isles as well, brought Blairin 

1180
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,640
with him, showed them what they 
were up against, made a 

1181
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,000
demonstration, burned a few 
things that hey, you guys want 

1182
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,040
to cause problems, well, you're 
going to have to deal with this 

1183
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,360
and you can't deal with this. 
Despite the Ironborn penchant 

1184
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,640
for self ruin, they were not 
foolish about this. 

1185
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,640
They saw Blairin and were like, 
yeah, even we aren't stupid 

1186
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,280
enough to go up against that. 
So the old way didn't die, it 

1187
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,840
just became more exclusive. 
It became harder, right? 

1188
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,480
Because to Raven raid and loot 
and gain glory, you could still 

1189
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,520
do that. 
You just couldn't do it in 

1190
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,760
Westeros anymore. 
You had to sail all the way to 

1191
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,080
the Step Stones, or to Sothorios
or the Basilisk Isles, or even 

1192
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,520
farther. 
That's harder to do that. 

1193
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,040
Just the journey alone might 
kill you. 

1194
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,960
So it takes a braver, bolder 
Ironborn. 

1195
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,320
And the ones who do that and 
succeed are all the harder to 

1196
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,200
kill, all the more difficult, 
all the more experienced. 

1197
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,680
And while that's happening, 
whilst this new class of 

1198
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,360
exclusive, more elite Ironborn 
are out there making themselves 

1199
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,120
great at fighting Sea Guard, I 
mean, they're training, they're 

1200
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,520
maintaining their vigilance, but
they're not actually fighting 

1201
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,360
real opponents. 
That's like that's probably made

1202
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,120
some Lords of Sea Guard a little
nervous. 

1203
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,440
It's like our guys aren't being 
tested other than the things we 

1204
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,880
can do with training here. 
Whereas their Ironborn Raiders 

1205
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,080
are going out there and fighting
all over the world and gaining 

1206
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,480
acclaim and confidence. 
And I don't like that, you know,

1207
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,600
they're more seasoned than we 
are as it's not a good state of 

1208
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,400
affairs there. 
Even though the Ironborn were 

1209
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,280
held in check by the Dragons, 
Mallister is looking back. 

1210
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,880
But like, well, this is 
thousands of years we had to 

1211
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,960
fight the Ironborn are is this 
really the end of that? 

1212
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,040
Is it really gone forever? 
Are we really not going to see 

1213
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,600
them as a problem? 
Of course they're not going to 

1214
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,000
think that way. 
They're like, Nah, as long as 

1215
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,520
the Ironborn still exists, they 
could attack. 

1216
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,840
And that's the right attitude. 
That is the right. 

1217
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,400
That is the way the Ironborn 
think. 

1218
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,640
And really, how can they count 
on the Dragons when Dagan 

1219
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,080
Greyjoy came around? 
No, I mean, the Dragons were 

1220
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,120
dead by then, but the Targaryens
didn't even do anything at 

1221
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,840
first. 
So, like, there'd be a lot of 

1222
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,960
reasons to think, yeah, this new
king on the Iron Throne, are 

1223
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,840
they really going to come to our
aid if the Iron Born do their 

1224
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,880
thing? 
I don't think they believed 

1225
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:45,920
that. 
I think they're like, no, we're 

1226
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,120
going to have to continue to do 
what we do. 

1227
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,520
We can't count on the Iron 
Throne. 

1228
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Who knows about these 
Targaryens. 

1229
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,280
Like what? 
Magor the Cruel, when he became 

1230
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,680
king, did they really count on 
that? 

1231
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,000
We're like, Dad, we can count on
him. 

1232
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,800
Amys, maybe even less, right? 
I don't know. 

1233
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,560
Joharis, maybe. 
Yeah. 

1234
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,120
That one they might have felt 
comfortable with. 

1235
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,040
In fact, there's a maester on 
record as complimenting Joharis.

1236
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:09,600
It's like, this guy is going to 
be a good king. 

1237
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,320
But other than that, I don't 
know. 

1238
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,480
Like a lot of just no, we're on 
our own here, and we can't rely 

1239
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,920
on other people. 
That's how they've always been. 

1240
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,760
That's how they're going to keep
it. 

1241
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,320
So tradition carries forward. 
And as much as we talked about 

1242
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,240
civil conflict within Westeros 
or within the Riverlands being a

1243
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,920
reason for the Maoisters to say,
actually, this is the time that 

1244
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,160
we most need to not get involved
because again, when everyone's 

1245
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,680
fighting, the Ironborn take 
their shot. 

1246
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,800
That's just as true when you're 
looking at Westeros as a whole. 

1247
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,240
It doesn't have to be just the 
Riverlands. 

1248
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:44,400
So whenever the Iron Throne has 
civil conflict, the Mousers have

1249
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,600
a tough decision. 
Eagles can dance, too. 

1250
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,360
A certain Lord Lyman Mallester 
defeated Kristen Cole in the 

1251
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,520
same tourney where Kristen beat 
Damon in that famous Maiden pool

1252
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,280
melee. 
So quite a win for Lord Lyman 

1253
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,280
here. 
And of course, war came to the 

1254
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,080
Riverlands during the Dance, as 
it so often does. 

1255
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,040
It's the heart of the river, 
heart of the Westeros. 

1256
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,040
The Riverlands is the center. 
The Mallesters are, as usual, 

1257
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,760
somewhat drawn in. 
But because they're not in the 

1258
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,800
center of the center, they're 
off on the West Coast. 

1259
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,320
There, they can sort of stay out
of it. 

1260
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,600
They. 
They can limited engagement. 

1261
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,600
They did rise for Rainier. 
They were blacks. 

1262
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,720
And of course, who would have 
been less surprised than them 

1263
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,160
that the red Kraken took his 
chance during the Dance of the 

1264
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,160
Dragons? 
They've been like, oh, yeah, 

1265
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,680
obviously that happened. 
Yeah. 

1266
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,400
But what could they do about it?
He wasn't attacking them. 

1267
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,000
He attacked the West. 
He attacked the Lannisters. 

1268
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,640
So they're like, all right, 
well, good luck, y'all. 

1269
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,200
We don't want you to lose, but 
you're our enemy in the Dance. 

1270
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,680
So we kind of do want you to 
lose. 

1271
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,080
Just maybe just you guys hurt 
each other. 

1272
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,720
Maybe no one wins and you'd both
just lose. 

1273
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,840
Yeah. 
So a Lord, a certain Lord Jorah 

1274
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,720
Mallister brought his men, 
probably not all of them, given 

1275
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,640
what we keep talking about, to 
the Riverlands, the center where

1276
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,320
they fought in the final battle 
of the Dance, the Muddy Mess, 

1277
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,000
AKA the Battle of the Kings Rd. 
That's where Lord Boros 

1278
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,440
Baratheon led his men bravely 
despite the odds against them. 

1279
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,600
Despite his forcibly conscripted
Crown lands host turning on him 

1280
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,360
from behind, he didn't give up. 
He decided to go down fighting 

1281
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,920
and before he died he took on 
Lord Jora Mallister and won. 

1282
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,520
Unfortunately for Lord Jora 
Mallister, he was slain by Lord 

1283
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,880
Boros. 
Lord Boros also killed Lord 

1284
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,800
Derry and a bunch of other 
Knights. 

1285
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,440
Probably some of probably some 
Balusters men were among those 

1286
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,880
other Knights. 
I doubt just the Lord of Sea 

1287
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,160
Guard falls and no other men of 
Sea Guard try to do anything 

1288
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:36,880
about it. 
You know, they would be want to 

1289
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,560
get an answer. 
They would want to get Lord 

1290
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,000
Boros for doing that or at least
kill some other Baratheons. 

1291
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,320
So not a lot of detail there, 
but it would have been, well, it

1292
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,200
was a muddy mess. 
Lord Kermit Tully avenged them 

1293
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,080
both in the end, right? 
He's the one who actually killed

1294
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,680
Lord Boros. 
And I guess he would have 

1295
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,920
attended the funerals of of both
Lord Derry and Lord Mallister 

1296
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,240
there, which we'll see the 
reverse of that cause. 

1297
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,240
Lord Jason is one of the seven 
chosen at Hoster Tuller's 

1298
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,760
funeral. 
And Speaking of, I wonder what 

1299
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,840
Maoster funeral customs are 
like. 

1300
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,400
Maybe they're buried up on the 
Cape of Eagles, you know, 

1301
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,440
somewhere up high above the 
rest, right. 

1302
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,640
That would, that would make 
sense. 

1303
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,880
A sky burial of sorts. 
They get, you know, a flock of 

1304
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,160
eagles to pick the body up and 
fly it to the highest peak. 

1305
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:23,320
It's really something to to see.
I pictured a Flock of Seagulls 

1306
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,520
and you said that, you know, 
like with those with those 

1307
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,320
outfits, like the band, a bunch 
of dudes dressed up like that. 

1308
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,200
Carry off the Lord. 
Yes, it's very, it's very 

1309
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,200
upscale, very, very noble. 
Not that it has anything to do 

1310
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,200
with the mousters, but one last 
bit about the Dance of the 

1311
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,760
Dragons. 
The aerial acrobatics of 

1312
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,160
Tessarian and Sea smoke are 
described like the flight of 

1313
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,080
eagles. 
Whereas when the larger Dragons 

1314
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,440
like Vegar are fighting in the 
air, it's it's nothing like 

1315
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,680
that. 
They're not nearly as 

1316
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,520
maneuvable. 
They're like big turn slowly, 

1317
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,880
the last Reaver during the reign
of King Aries the first on the 

1318
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,280
heels of the Great Spring 
Sickness and the drought. 

1319
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,440
And of course, let's not forget 
the continuing lack of Dragons 

1320
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,160
in this era. 
The Ironborn had another 

1321
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,320
opening, particularly large 
opening because of all the above

1322
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,440
that I just listed. 
And the king was kind of LAX in 

1323
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:11,960
Aries the First. 
He was very bookish. 

1324
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,920
And because the Lord Reaper of 
the time was this guy, Dagan 

1325
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,120
Grazer was very capable, very 
smart. 

1326
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,120
We have Bloodraven as hand to 
the king, who's a lot more 

1327
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,000
concerned with the east, what 
bitter steel is doing. 

1328
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,560
And so this problem got left 
undealt with. 

1329
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,000
Now Sea Guard defends its own 
shores. 

1330
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,880
It doesn't. 
As we said, they're too busy 

1331
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,600
with that to go defending other 
people's shores. 

1332
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,760
It strikes me that not all the 
Lords of Pike are dumb enough to

1333
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,120
just go, hey, let's fight Sea 
Guard. 

1334
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,760
Let's go fight the people that 
are designed to fight us. 

1335
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,280
Like that's their whole purpose 
of existing and fight them on 

1336
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,840
their terms. 
Like that's suicidal. 

1337
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,920
That said, it's what a lot of 
Lords of Pike have done. 

1338
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,640
We've got a great example coming
later. 

1339
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,560
Still. 
Dagan was actually successful 

1340
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,600
for a long time. 
So given his success, I have to 

1341
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,120
think that he probably wasn't 
doing the dumb things that 

1342
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,600
Ironborn do sometimes and how 
they pick their targets. 

1343
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,280
So he may have been smart by 
just avoiding Sea Guard 

1344
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,040
altogether. 
Just picking on the Lannisters, 

1345
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,000
maybe the Reach. 
In fact, we're told that the 

1346
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,480
direwolf and lion's tails were 
tied in knots. 

1347
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,040
So he also was a menace to the 
starch. 

1348
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,080
We know that for sure because at
least one Lord Stark died 

1349
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,320
fighting them. 
That's Baron. 

1350
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,720
So this would have been a thing 
the Mallisters were at least 

1351
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,280
concerned with, if not something
they were actively trying to 

1352
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,080
work on. 
Maybe they're maybe they were 

1353
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,120
among those petitioning the 
throne to take a greater 

1354
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,280
interest in this. 
A Mallister represented the Lord

1355
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,880
of Secar may go all the way to 
the Red Keep to be like hey 

1356
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:46,520
Bloodraven, we'll do The Dirty 
work, just send us some extra 

1357
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,760
ships and men, we'll lead the 
assault or whatever needs to be 

1358
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,280
done. 
But this Dagon has got to be 

1359
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,920
stopped now. 
We're not sure how Dagon was 

1360
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,280
actually stopped. 
This is something George has 

1361
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,280
kept close to the chest. 
We believe that Makar likely had

1362
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,640
something to do with it, but the
Maoisters very likely did too. 

1363
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,320
Like if you're going to go fight
the Ironborn near their own 

1364
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,920
territory, doesn't it make like 
1000% chance to involve the 

1365
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,440
House? 
That would be just champing and 

1366
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,960
chomping at the bit to get out. 
Like the bit, whatever beak, 

1367
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,720
whatever bit an eagle wears, 
that's they're chewing through 

1368
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,800
that thing ready. 
I mean, that's why Seaguard 

1369
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,000
exists, to fight against men 
like Dagan Greyjoy. 

1370
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,120
So I think it would be is likely
to assume they were involved. 

1371
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:28,120
And if Makar didn't include 
them, then you're silly. 

1372
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,000
Makar, what you doing now? 
Here's an example from the other

1373
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,080
side of the coin. 
However, as much as Dagan 

1374
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:38,680
Greyjoy was a huge menace, a foe
to all who are not Ironborn, we 

1375
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,280
have a tragic friendship that 
we're not sure when this 

1376
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,200
happened. 
It definitely happened during 

1377
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,360
the Iron Throne era. 
It's not pre Aegon's Conquest 

1378
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,760
because it's Lord Laurent 
Greyjoy called Laurent the Bard,

1379
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,320
not your typical Lord Greyjoy 
the Bard. 

1380
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,600
Yeah. 
I mean they do like their 

1381
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,720
reaving songs, but it's not 
usually like the the Lord who's 

1382
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,880
the guy making the songs, right?
It's some scald or poet or 

1383
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,280
whatever. 
And I know they don't use the 

1384
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,400
term scald, but it's the 
equivalent, right? 

1385
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,520
But we know that they love 
reaving songs like what's his 

1386
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,560
face, cleft jaws, a big fan, for
example. 

1387
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,480
But he was friends. 
And I put the section is a 

1388
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,080
tragic dot dot dot friendship 
because there's maybe some 

1389
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,680
implications here beyond 
friendship. 

1390
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,960
Lauren Greyjoy the Bard friends 
with Sir Desmond Mallester. 

1391
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,800
Huh. 
Now, earlier I mentioned the 

1392
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,400
Romeo and Juliet aspect of 
Benedict Justman's parentage. 

1393
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,320
This sounds similar, possibly 
including the romantic part. 

1394
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:36,640
Obviously it's not a Romeo and 
Juliet. 

1395
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:42,080
I mean more like Romeo and 
Romeo, but great friends, when 

1396
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:46,040
it's in the historical context 
written by academics, is often 

1397
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,200
code for a romantic 
relationship. 

1398
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,720
George knows this. 
That said, it is not a 

1399
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,040
guarantee. 
Would it? 

1400
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,120
That doesn't mean they were 
lovers. 

1401
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,920
It's just on the table is a 
strong possibility. 

1402
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,200
And part of the reason I think 
this way is besides these clues 

1403
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,320
is the subtext is would it 
really be tragic if they were 

1404
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,000
friends? 
I mean, it might be a problem, 

1405
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,040
it might cause friction, but 
tragic. 

1406
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,280
I mean, maybe if they had to 
fight each other I could see it.

1407
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,840
Can be a friendship that is is 
is thrust against each other 

1408
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,399
just like it could be family, 
you know? 

1409
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,200
Yeah, but. 
Why would if he's the Lord, why 

1410
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:24,720
would he have to attack? 
You know what I mean? 

1411
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,160
Yeah, I think it's just more 
fun. 

1412
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,479
It's more interesting, it's more
meaningful for them to have been

1413
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,200
lovers. 
It's different, yeah, but. 

1414
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:34,720
It's still like 2 two friends 
thrust apart from each other. 

1415
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,000
Is is certainly tragic and 
meaningful. 

1416
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Yeah, and exactly what we might 
be faced with when it comes to 

1417
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,160
Theon and Patrick Mauster. 
Theon and Patrick Mauster are 

1418
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,760
buddies. 
There's no there's no romantic 

1419
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,040
relationship there. 
They're not banging. 

1420
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,800
In fact, they go off and sleep 
with women together. 

1421
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,960
So they're not banging yet. 
Yeah, so maybe they would have 

1422
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,680
got they're like, you know, why 
don't we need a woman? 

1423
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,000
Why don't we just we don't need 
a third. 

1424
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,840
Let's just see what's up here. 
Yeah, so, so definitely doesn't 

1425
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:01,279
have to be that. 
Like, there's definitely other 

1426
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,960
things on the table here. 
But yeah, if they were more than

1427
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,640
friends, if they were, if they 
did have a romantic 

1428
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,439
relationship, what they should 
have done is the Carl the maid 

1429
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,120
plan. 
Carl the maid suggested to OSHA 

1430
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,640
like, screw this Westeros. 
We our relationship is a problem

1431
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,880
for other people. 
Let's just leave. 

1432
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,120
Let's go to Essos. 
We can go over there where our 

1433
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,600
our relationship would be 
accepted, if not tolerated at 

1434
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,399
the very least, you know, and 
these are people with means like

1435
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,120
we got Sir Desmond Mallister and
Lord Lauren Greyjoy. 

1436
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,960
These guys aren't broke. 
I guess it just wasn't meant to 

1437
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,080
be. 
But maybe one day we'll hear 

1438
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,640
what the real tragedy behind 
that was. 

1439
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,880
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1466
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1467
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1469
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1470
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,040
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1471
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,640
I listen to a lot of podcasts 
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1472
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,960
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1473
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:07,640
Seems like that's the way it 
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1474
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,080
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1475
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,440
History of westeros.com, that's 
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1476
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,720
Dornish Dave says lots of 
transferable skills. 

1477
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,400
Defending Sea Guard to defending
the Wall. 

1478
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:20,440
Yes, absolutely. 
Maybe part of why Dennis joined.

1479
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,080
Also yes, I I grief completely. 
Equating the Ironborn with 

1480
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,200
wildlings would definitely 
contribute to how Dennis sees 

1481
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,760
Cotter Pike. 
Also yes. 

1482
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,720
And by the way, I agree with 
calling them wildlings when 

1483
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,720
they're Raiders trying to steal.
That's where I've landed. 

1484
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,440
If they're just if we're just 
talking about them as a whole, 

1485
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:37,000
they're the free folk. 
But if we're talking about them 

1486
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,520
in the context of stealing 
people, then they're wild things

1487
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,400
because they're Raiders. 
And I'm not going to give them. 

1488
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,280
I'm going to be nice about that 
group of that subset of them, 

1489
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,320
because those are the bad ones 
anyway, even if that's even if 

1490
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,080
some of them are decent folk. 
Besides that, without behavior, 

1491
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,640
not good. 
Real quick, the name Jason. 

1492
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:57,680
It's worth a very quick 
discussion. 

1493
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,720
George prefers to, you know, one
letter switch, right? 

1494
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,640
It is often how he tweaks a 
name, but some of them he 

1495
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,800
doesn't tweak at all. 
You know, Jason, there's several

1496
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,160
Jason's, Joanna Lannister's 
father, Jason, and the Lord of 

1497
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,760
Castle, the Rock during part of 
the Dance. 

1498
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,080
And yeah, like Joanne is another
example. 

1499
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,680
That name is spelled the same 
way as it's spelled in the real 

1500
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,440
world. 
Obviously there's other examples

1501
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,720
like Joffrey instead of Jeffrey.
I guess Joffrey kind of is a 

1502
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,080
real name too, but maybe that's 
not the best example. 

1503
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,160
But it is an example of one 
that's slightly different. 

1504
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:31,120
I think having him named Jason 
and they're being Lannisters 

1505
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:35,720
named Jason also like emphasizes
the pride and arrogance and 

1506
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,840
status of of the Malnisters. 
Lannister and Malister, very 

1507
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,160
similar names. 
Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, Jason

1508
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:45,640
is is a proud and a strong name.
Yeah, absolutely. 

1509
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,160
In our Greek Game of Thrones 
series, there's a very important

1510
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,080
character named Jason Fierai. 
Fierai for the straight guy, as 

1511
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,760
I call him, and. 
And Fierai's in Thessaly and 

1512
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,000
he's named after Jason of 
Argonauts fame, who was also 

1513
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,680
from Thessaly. 
All right, a minute on actual 

1514
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,280
eagles here. 
They are hardcore. 

1515
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,160
Real eagles are really hardcore,
man. 

1516
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,200
A lot of species of eagle just 
lay 1 egg, but some of them lay 

1517
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,840
multiple eggs. 
And what happens is the larger 

1518
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,440
chick just kills the other one 
and the parents watch it. 

1519
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,600
They just let it happen. 
Like, yeah, well, that's how 

1520
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,120
it's got to be. 
We've only got room for one. 

1521
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,360
Also, eagles are the only 
species that has No Fear of 

1522
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:28,280
other avian predators. 
And the way biologists and avian

1523
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,000
avian specialists. 
I don't know, I've noticed this 

1524
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,560
is B is via OK. 
Even birds of prey that strike, 

1525
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,600
they they do their attack, they,
they plummet, fall real fast, 

1526
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,160
hit their target. 
Even birds that do that look 

1527
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,600
behind them. 
They make sure no one's coming. 

1528
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,360
They look back like anyone 
coming to get me as I'm doing 

1529
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,360
this is someone striking me as 
I'm striking them. 

1530
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,640
It's like a instinct. 
Eagles don't do that. 

1531
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:52,680
They're just so not worried 
about it. 

1532
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,000
They're like, no one's going to 
do that. 

1533
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,040
We're the biggest. 
No bird of prey attacks us. 

1534
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,760
We are the, we are the alpha. 
We are above the rest. 

1535
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,880
Danny would like that. 
Eagles don't look back. 

1536
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,840
They might have Dragons. 
We're around Dragons is a world 

1537
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,240
with Dragons. 
They might be like, OK, there is

1538
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:08,680
something out there that's a 
problem. 

1539
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,600
Yeah. 
Apart from that, eagles are 

1540
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,440
rather important in John's 
story, right? 

1541
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:16,840
And John's versus Orrell and 
Orrell hating and John even 

1542
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,520
after he's dead and all that. 
Yeah. 

1543
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,960
Eagles are also associated with 
sphinxes in the story of a song 

1544
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,000
wise. 
And in real life, eagles, eagles

1545
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,960
wings are what tends to be the 
wings on a sphinx rather than 

1546
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,720
even in Westeros, Right. 
You think it might be Dragon's 

1547
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,920
wings, but no, it's eagle's 
wings. 

1548
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:38,920
Which might mean for real that 
Valyrian blood mages included 

1549
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,840
eagles in their experimentation 
with hybrid species, right? 

1550
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:47,760
I mean, if you can combine 
wyverns, wyverns, and fireworms 

1551
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,720
to make Dragons. 
Well, if you're making combining

1552
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,360
Dragons and lions and eagles to 
make sphinxes or what have you. 

1553
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,920
If you've done the first, the 
second doesn't seem like a 

1554
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:00,920
stretch anymore. 
Of course, being eagle wings 

1555
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,480
also points to eagles 
proliferating somewhat in Essos,

1556
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:07,200
right? 
That's true. 

1557
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,600
And and that's, that tracks with
the real world. 

1558
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,440
Eagles are, like I said, eagles 
are very kind of a generic term 

1559
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:15,320
that is sometimes misused. 
It doesn't matter. 

1560
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,360
We're not getting that deep into
it, but it's misused in part 

1561
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,600
because there's so many species 
that get thrown into the eagle 

1562
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,440
category because there's so many
around the world. 

1563
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,520
And arguably bald eagles, the 
symbol of America, aren't 

1564
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,000
actually eagles. 
Some people consider them not 

1565
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,520
true eagles, but we're not 
getting into that. 

1566
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,360
Maybe the maisters would get 
into that sort of thing. 

1567
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,680
What is and isn't a true eagle? 
But we don't have time for that.

1568
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,360
Let's instead delve into the 
Chronicles of A Song of Ice and 

1569
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,840
Fire as they pertain to House 
Malester in order to set up what

1570
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,000
we think is coming. 
First, the character who 

1571
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,280
straddles the line between 
history and A Song of Ice and 

1572
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,200
Fire relevance. 
Jeffrey Malester. 

1573
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,280
Does that name ring a bell to 
y'all? 

1574
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:55,600
Or you're like, wait, who's 
Jeffrey Mills? 

1575
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,200
That was one of Brandon Stark's 
companions who rode to the Red 

1576
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,840
Keep demanding Liana, only to 
beat, well, demanding Rhaegar 

1577
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,040
come out and die, actually, only
to be executed. 

1578
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,400
So this Jeffrey might have been 
Patrick's older brother. 

1579
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,000
Nina and I talked it out. 
We think it's more likely 

1580
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,720
Jason's younger brother than 
Patrick's older brother. 

1581
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,280
And he may have. 
But this Jeffrey may have been 

1582
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,000
heir at the time. 
It may have been before Patrick 

1583
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,120
was born, before Jason had any 
children. 

1584
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,120
And that tracks with who 
Brandon's companions were. 

1585
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,040
They were mostly heirs. 
Like he was the heir. 

1586
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:28,840
Elbert Aaron was the heir to the
Ari, right? 

1587
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,800
So yeah, that was just kind of 
his his gang there. 

1588
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:35,240
So this would have been around 
282 when Jeffrey Malicer was 

1589
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,360
killed by the Mad King. 
And of course, Robert Rebellion 

1590
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,480
broke out shortly afterwards. 
This is a house that might not 

1591
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:43,440
have easily risen against House 
Targaryen, right? 

1592
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:45,400
Because, well, they, they stay 
out of things. 

1593
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,200
As we said, they still probably 
would have because their Liege 

1594
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,240
Lord did. 
And that, that is even more of a

1595
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,520
consideration. 
And in these times maybe there's

1596
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,960
less worry about the Ironborn. 
I don't know if they would have 

1597
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,280
actually made that decision 
because Baylon had tried to 

1598
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,480
rebel 10 years prior. 
And guess what, he did it again.

1599
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,800
They, well no actually back up. 
Baylon hadn't rebelled yet. 

1600
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,720
This is Robert's Rebellion, he 
would be rebelling in about 8 

1601
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,360
years. 
I'm sure the malice were still 

1602
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,480
even wary at that point. 
And of course they he tries 

1603
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:13,760
again during the Song of Ice and
Fire. 

1604
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,320
Anyway, all that aside, it 
doesn't matter what the 

1605
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:20,280
Malusters would have done 
without this provocation. 

1606
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,960
There was this provocation. 
A maluster was murdered. 

1607
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,360
That is not your normal hey we 
can stay out of it type 

1608
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,760
situation. 
Not not to mention Brandon was 

1609
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,720
murdered too like his friend. 
They were buddies. 

1610
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,560
Like this is a big provocation 
and the Malusters were probably 

1611
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,920
among those who believed like 
Brandon did that Rhaegar 

1612
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,120
kidnapped Leona rather than 
enlopement. 

1613
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:43,320
So this is multiple infractions 
by the Iron Throne against them 

1614
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,040
and their closest friends and 
allies. 

1615
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,240
So there's really not much 
question that they're going to 

1616
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,000
get involved, even with their 
attitude of trying to hang back 

1617
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,440
when possible or when it's 
prudent. 

1618
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,080
Lord Jason himself. 
All right, let's focus on him a 

1619
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:57,840
bit. 
He's been quite a part of the 

1620
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,080
episode, but let's take a little
microscope here and take a look.

1621
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,480
He became Lord somewhere around 
the year 278, roughly around the

1622
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:07,200
defiance of Duskindale. 
Just after that, he was at the 

1623
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,680
double wedding of Catlin and 
Lysa when just before the war 

1624
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,720
broke out and when all the 
arrangements were being made for

1625
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,480
who the allies would be. 
He gave Catlin remembers lavish 

1626
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:18,240
gifts from the Malesters from 
Jason specifically. 

1627
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:25,000
She also remembers him Jason 
joking with Blackfish, which 

1628
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,520
should we consider Sea Guard as 
a possible place for Blackfish 

1629
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,320
to go seek refuge? 
More on that in a bit and and 

1630
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,680
the answer in my mind is 
absolutely possible, yes. 

1631
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,080
But going back to this timeline,
right around the rebellion, 

1632
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,080
Robert Trebani and how deeply 
was he connected to the Great 

1633
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,640
Northern Conspiracy, if such a 
thing happened or whatever you 

1634
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,880
want to call it, whatever there 
was some kind of conspiracy. 

1635
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,160
We don't know exactly what it 
involved or what the plans were,

1636
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:54,200
but we do know that there was an
alliance of North and Riverlands

1637
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,480
and other Lords that were 
concerned about what was going 

1638
01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:00,320
on in the Iron Throne. 
So I imagine they were pretty 

1639
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,600
confident in his help and his 
being solid and being who he is.

1640
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,160
But I don't know how deeply he 
was involved in any planning or 

1641
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:07,320
plotting. 
It's more like a guy like, yeah,

1642
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,280
when things break out, we can 
count on him, but let's not 

1643
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:12,400
bring him into the let's not 
bring him into the cellar to 

1644
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,880
discuss the plot because that's 
maybe that's not his bag. 

1645
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,120
So Callan notices how proud and 
fearless and strong he looks and

1646
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:22,480
remembers that he is quite 
accomplished in battle. 

1647
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,320
Imagine when he was in his 
prime, which is around this time

1648
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,960
during the Robert Rebellion. 
He already had tournament wins 

1649
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,600
to his name and a bunch of deep 
runs like he lost to Barristan. 

1650
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,200
It really deep in a tournament 
once he lost to Jora 

1651
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,760
Atlantisport, the one that Jora 
won, the really famous one. 

1652
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:42,880
Jora won when he quote UN quote 
won Lyness Hightower alongside 

1653
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,360
his wreath. 
Yeah, it was Jason was one of 

1654
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,000
the people he beat there and 
that was a notable name amongst 

1655
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,520
the notable names he defeated. 
He was like, oh, he beat Lord 

1656
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,120
Jason Mallister. 
That's a big one. 

1657
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,920
He didn't. 
He'd be a lot of big names, that

1658
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,880
being one of them. 
So except De Bourdain tells 

1659
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:02,080
Sansa that Lord Jason killed 3 
of Rhaegar's bannerman on the 

1660
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,880
Trident, which implies that the 
Battle of the Trident he killed 

1661
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,480
three different. 
Well bannerman has is kind of a 

1662
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:10,040
loose term. 
Like does he mean the Lord of a 

1663
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,160
certain crown of Crownland's 
houses, Lords of the Narrow Sea 

1664
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,880
houses that were sworn to 
Dragonstone, or just Knights 

1665
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,800
that were in Rhaegar's service? 
It's because the term is like I 

1666
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,240
said, it gets to use a little. 
Either way though, that is 

1667
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,560
badass. 
And he he's going to cut a 

1668
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,600
striking figure in the 
battlefield with his eagle 

1669
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,440
winged helm and his purple and 
silver, cutting down whoever's 

1670
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:36,040
in his way. 
This is a dangerous dude. 

1671
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,960
He nothing nothing is speaks 
like skill, and he's clearly 

1672
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,920
that. 
Honestly, I'll be a little 

1673
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,040
disappointed if we don't get to 
see him in action. 

1674
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,960
You know, this is a guy. 
He's he's he's ever since the 

1675
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,760
early parts of the first book, 
it's like this guy's a secret 

1676
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,280
badass. 
This guy has accomplished. 

1677
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:55,800
He's just waiting to unleash his
sword on somebody, you know? 

1678
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,520
Will he fight against one of the
other claimants? 

1679
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,720
Will he fight Lannisters? 
Will he fight Ironborn? 

1680
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,920
Maybe he'll go North. 
Maybe he'll fight at Winterfell.

1681
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,680
That's not the kind of character
I would have been included in 

1682
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,120
the TV version of this. 
But why do we care about that? 

1683
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:09,920
It doesn't tell us anything 
about the book. 

1684
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,960
Not this, anyway. 
Other plot line, maybe not this,

1685
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,560
definitely not Malice were 
pretty much not on the TV show 

1686
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,240
at all. 
So I think that's an entirely 

1687
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,720
possible outcome that he will he
will go north either to go to 

1688
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,160
the wall or to Winterfell to 
help fight the worst invaders of

1689
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,640
all of all. 
Right, something one of the few 

1690
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,320
things that's worse than 
Ironborn is undead. 

1691
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,320
But we're still not there yet. 
Before current times, there was 

1692
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,560
another major event that Sea 
Guard would have been very 

1693
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,600
involved with, which is Bailon's
rebellion. 

1694
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:45,240
Now, earlier I said, hey, a lot 
of Lords of Pike, you're smart 

1695
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,000
enough to just not fight the 
Malusters. 

1696
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,760
Why do that? 
You can gain glory and loot and 

1697
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:55,080
acclaim and the Iron price by 
fighting the Lannisters or just 

1698
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,200
people who aren't literally 
dedicated to fighting you, you 

1699
01:21:58,200 --> 01:21:59,880
know. 
But we also pointed out that 

1700
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,520
some Lords of Pike really did 
want to do that. 

1701
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:03,800
They must really hate the 
Malusters. 

1702
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,240
They want to prove that 
Malusters are weak. 

1703
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,520
They want to strike at them and 
say, hey, look, if if then we 

1704
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,480
can kill the Malusters, we can 
defeat the Malusters. 

1705
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,400
Everyone's going to be afraid of
us because the the house that is

1706
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,320
designed to beat us couldn't 
beat us. 

1707
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,800
Everyone's going to be afraid of
us. 

1708
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,440
I think that may be what was 
what Baylin was thinking because

1709
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:22,480
he did go right at Sea guard. 
Well, he sent his son right at 

1710
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,840
sea guard kind of aiming. 
We'll do what Aegon the 

1711
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:29,120
Conqueror did like a reverse, 
you know, beat up the biggest 

1712
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,200
guy in prison as soon as you get
there kind of thing. 

1713
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:34,320
Aegon didn't pick off the 
smaller king as he went right at

1714
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,000
Heron, the big one, the partly 
because he was also hated and he

1715
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,480
knew people would join him to do
it, which is not the case for 

1716
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:43,120
Baylin. 
Baylin is not going to get help,

1717
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,960
but Baylin did think that others
wouldn't get help. 

1718
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,560
His plan was, hey, I don't think
Robert has a lockdown on this 

1719
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,680
country yet. 
So I've here's my opportunity. 

1720
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,160
He was wrong, but you can kind 
of get the thinking because it's

1721
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:58,680
the kind of things Ironborn look
for. 

1722
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,040
That's the kind of opportunity 
they're looking for. 

1723
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,520
He was a little ahead of himself
on that. 

1724
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:06,720
So Bailon was banking on that 
and he said he burned the iron 

1725
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,240
fleeted anchor. 
That was Euron's idea. 

1726
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:14,160
And then he immediately sent his
heir, Roderick Greyjoy, with a 

1727
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,280
fleet to attack Sea Guard. 
And they tried to storm Sea 

1728
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,160
Guard and they got part of the 
way in. 

1729
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,760
I think that their initial 
efforts were a success. 

1730
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:27,120
They got inside the castle. 
So it it, it had some, it had a 

1731
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,360
chance of succeeding. 
Maybe the bell rang. 

1732
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,200
That was the one time that the 
bell had rang in 300 years. 

1733
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,720
Lord Jason reminded Patrick not 
to get too close to Theon. 

1734
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,600
Remember we talked about that 
and this is that moment. 

1735
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,360
This is then Theon and Patrick 
discussing it afterwards about 

1736
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:48,560
why. 
Hey son, Mallister Greyjoy, this

1737
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,600
isn't a good look for us. 
You being friends with him. 

1738
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,880
I don't know about that man. 
And here, here's Patrick and 

1739
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,760
Theon discussing what Lord Jason
said to him. 

1740
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:00,080
Never mind that the bell has 
been rung just once in 300 

1741
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:05,080
years, Patrick had told Theon 
the day after as he shared his 

1742
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,360
father's cautions and a jug of 
green apple wine. 

1743
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:09,480
Green apple wine. 
Yeah, right. 

1744
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:12,320
Believe that when my brother 
stormed Seaguard. 

1745
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:17,800
Theon said Lord Jason had slain 
Roderick Greyjoy under the walls

1746
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,560
of the castle and thrown the 
Iron Men back into the Bay. 

1747
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,440
If your father supposes I bear 
him some enmity for that, it's 

1748
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:27,880
only because he never knew 
Roderick to the castle. 

1749
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,160
He slew them under the walls of 
the castle. 

1750
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,760
So, yeah, they didn't quite get 
that far. 

1751
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,200
And which reminds us of my 
original point, which this was 

1752
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:37,800
kind of dumb. 
It was bold. 

1753
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,360
I mean, if it had worked, it 
really would have sent a 

1754
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,680
message. 
But I don't think it had a very 

1755
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,160
good chance of succeeding, and 
it doesn't look like it did. 

1756
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:49,200
Jason killed Rodrick personally.
Again, nice. 

1757
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,000
Like, well done. 
Like that's like that's his job,

1758
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,480
it's what they're the Mousers 
are supposed to do. 

1759
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:58,400
He took the lead, he killed 
their leader and that seemed to 

1760
01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:59,920
end it. 
Like as soon as Roderick was 

1761
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:03,920
killed, the attack stopped. 
Apparently they fled back to 

1762
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,040
their ships and back to Pike. 
And with the bad news for Lord 

1763
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,840
Balon. 
Sorry bro, sorry Lord Greyjoy. 

1764
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:12,760
I mean King, if that's what you 
want to call yourself. 

1765
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,400
It's not going so well, but it 
feels like he was getting ahead 

1766
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,680
of himself. 
Why not gain elsewhere, destroy 

1767
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,160
things that are easy and then 
take on Sea Guard? 

1768
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,720
I think he just had a that too. 
He he was thinking of the the 

1769
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,680
reward and not the difficulty, 
which is Baylon's methods, 

1770
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,400
right? 
What was Baylon's long term plan

1771
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,800
for capturing the North? 
Was he going to how was he going

1772
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,600
to hold? 
That wasn't a very good plan, 

1773
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,040
was it? 
Asha had the right of it. 

1774
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:39,040
We're not going to hold on to 
that. 

1775
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,320
We're never going to keep the 
North. 

1776
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,360
It's too bloody full of 
northmen. 

1777
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:44,880
She said correct. 
You might have it for a while, 

1778
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,040
but you're not going to hold it.
So yeah. 

1779
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,360
So this is this is Baylon. 
This is right in line with how 

1780
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,880
he thinks he goes for it all and
bites off more than he can chew.

1781
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:55,720
And and part of why I think it's
a such a bad idea too is because

1782
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,560
Segard wasn't a threat to his 
independence. 

1783
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,120
So he could strike it land as 
poor, strike a little other 

1784
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,200
places. 
Segard's not going to attack 

1785
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:04,760
him. 
Segard's only going to defend 

1786
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,800
against him. 
So he could have just ignored 

1787
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,760
them for a while or entirely. 
But again, that's why they say 

1788
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,560
Bailon is mad. 
You're on is madder. 

1789
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,120
He was. 
There's some of that evidence 

1790
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,080
that Bailon was mad. 
Yeah. 

1791
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,720
A true believer in the old way. 
Like, crush the enemies of the 

1792
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,560
old way, you know? 
So, you know, I think some 

1793
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,280
people, probably on his side, 
probably appreciated that 

1794
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,840
sentiment. 
But just, again, too much. 

1795
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:30,560
He aimed high, but you can't aim
that high when someone who's 

1796
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:31,840
above the rest, they're too 
high. 

1797
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,440
Just too high. 
Repeating an earlier point, he 

1798
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:37,000
probably thought they had grown 
LAX since the bell hadn't rang 

1799
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,120
in almost 300 years. 
But he was wrong. 

1800
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,840
It was a misread. 
Lord Jason was personally very 

1801
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,760
ready. 
Among other things. 

1802
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,520
What a legendary moment, really.
Like I told you earlier about 

1803
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,440
what kind of stories they would 
write down, what kind of Arc, 

1804
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,360
what the archives and the annals
of malisters would have. 

1805
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:58,920
That one got added for sure. 
Lord Jason killing Roderick, 

1806
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,280
that is a classic legendary 
moment. 

1807
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,320
That is one that's gone down for
all time. 

1808
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:07,160
So the glory that Bailon 
intended for himself and his 

1809
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,400
son, he gave it to Lord Jason. 
That's not what he wanted, but 

1810
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,040
that's what happened. 
Yep, and that was the end, 

1811
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,320
effectively of the rebellion, 
that once it started going bad, 

1812
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,440
it went bad, and Baylin was too 
stubborn to give up, so Maron 

1813
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:22,920
died in the collapse of the 
walls. 

1814
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,000
That was Theon's other brother. 
And like, yeah, Baylin should 

1815
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,560
have probably been to me before 
that. 

1816
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:32,400
We know that Robert got things 
together and they invaded Pyke. 

1817
01:27:32,440 --> 01:27:34,640
We don't hear about the 
malisters there, but I would be 

1818
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,920
extremely surprised if they 
weren't part of the invasion. 

1819
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,920
Yeah, maybe Jorah got through 
the Wall 1st and then Thoros 

1820
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,680
Admir, but I bet some malasters 
were right there too. 

1821
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,120
While it's true the entire 
purpose of Sea Guard is to fight

1822
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,840
Ironborn, it's not just the 
whole idea of Patrick and Theon 

1823
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,800
being friends. 
It's it's it's kind of unseemly,

1824
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,880
right? 
Like in terms of noble society, 

1825
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,760
but also like if you're aiming 
high, talk about aiming high. 

1826
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,280
Laura Balon was aiming for the 
ultimate victory there. 

1827
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:05,000
The best thing that could ever 
happen for the world of Westeros

1828
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,840
would be that if there really is
long term peace between the 

1829
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,480
Ironborn and the Malusters, the 
Malusters could some of them 

1830
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:12,760
could rub off on the Iron Born, 
Maybe not the other way around 

1831
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,200
so much, but making them the 
more civilized people. 

1832
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:18,080
And that could start with 
something like this. 

1833
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,480
A friendship between the two 
Lords or the 2, two powerful 

1834
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:23,520
nobles of the two most powerful 
houses there. 

1835
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,160
Yeah, a military wind over 
Seaguard would be big. 

1836
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:30,920
But if we're looking ahead to a 
truly positive future, that's 

1837
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,400
the kind of thing you'd want. 
The rewards of peace, the things

1838
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,240
that Asha talked about like this
isn't something that's 

1839
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,760
completely out of nowhere. 
People in Lesteros have for have

1840
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,760
looked at this possibility. 
It might seem pretty 

1841
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,480
unrealistic, but it isn't so 
unrealistic that it is out of 

1842
01:28:43,480 --> 01:28:45,360
mind because it's like I said, 
Asha brought this up. 

1843
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,200
She's like, yeah, the rewards of
peace, the words of friendship 

1844
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:49,840
with the northerners. 
He she's talking about the 

1845
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,400
Northerners, but it would be 
concept is the same. 

1846
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,160
Friendship with the Riverlanders
is not that different. 

1847
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,600
The point is working together, 
benefiting, you know, everybody,

1848
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,800
your sons grow up and get to 
marry and and have good lives, 

1849
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,200
you know, that kind of thing. 
And your what your daughters get

1850
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:08,560
to have good husbands and and be
are protected and they get to 

1851
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,160
have good lives too, etcetera. 
This is what Asher was pushing. 

1852
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,080
Obviously the Ironborn weren't 
weren't moved by that, but 

1853
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,400
plenty of people would have been
plenty of non ironborn would 

1854
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,760
have like, yeah, that's that 
sounds great, and they would 

1855
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,280
have hoped the Ironborn go in 
that direction. 

1856
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,760
But you can also understand why 
Lord Jason would be very 

1857
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,600
pessimistic about that 
possibility. 

1858
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,600
We're like, bro, it's been like 
this thousands of years. 

1859
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:30,960
You really think it's going to 
change now? 

1860
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,440
Is it really that is this, is 
this moment in time really that 

1861
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:36,600
big of a change? 
The Iron Board are still right 

1862
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,520
there. 
They're still. 

1863
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,320
They're just as many of them. 
They still got their ships. 

1864
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:41,000
Yeah, they got this weird Euron 
guy. 

1865
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,800
But when Euron's gone, they're 
just going to be who they are 

1866
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,320
again. 
He's certainly not leading them 

1867
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:50,400
in a positive direction. 
So, yeah, I guess I hate to say 

1868
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:51,760
it, but I think I'm with Lord 
Jason here. 

1869
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,680
I just don't think that Theon is
not the guy to reform the 

1870
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,640
Ironborn. 
And Patrick isn't necessarily 

1871
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,640
the the maluster that's going to
stand tall on that either. 

1872
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,320
Now, these guys are, Yeah, 
they're Theon and and Patrick, 

1873
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,760
they hang out, they drink and 
they go off chasing women. 

1874
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,760
This is not that's not really 
who you look to for reform. 

1875
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,440
I don't think Theon's different 
now. 

1876
01:30:12,440 --> 01:30:14,840
A lot has happened to him since 
his hanging outs with Patrick. 

1877
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,840
But yeah, honestly, for the the 
we talked earlier about Desmond 

1878
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,440
and Lord Lauren, the Bard, the 
malice or might be the person 

1879
01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:23,480
who doesn't belong in the 
equation. 

1880
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:25,680
If we're looking for a parallel,
it might be Theon's friendship 

1881
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,640
with Rob that was the tragedy 
there. 

1882
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,880
You know, like that was kind of 
a tragedy in a way more more for

1883
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,160
Rob, but also for Theon. 
Theon feels extremely guilty 

1884
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:36,600
about what he did, and he's 
suffering in more ways than 

1885
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,360
guilt, too. 
Theon and Patrick as well. 

1886
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,680
Take us into the War of 5 Kings 
because this is when they were 

1887
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,120
riding together. 
They were fighting together at 

1888
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,400
this point. 
And that makes for some 

1889
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,440
interesting points here. 
The Whispering Wood and the 

1890
01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:51,600
Battle of the Camps. 
After Rob splits his army at the

1891
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,840
Twins, sends his infantry east 
towards the Green Fork and 

1892
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,520
dashes hard S with his cavalry 
to break the siege of River Run,

1893
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,360
Lord Jason joins. 
Jason wasn't at the Twins. 

1894
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:04,720
He rides S to join them as 
they're heading in that 

1895
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,880
direction, and he has an 
immediate impact During the 

1896
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,720
Whispering Wood. 
He captures Lord Gowan 

1897
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:10,760
Westerling. 
Yeah. 

1898
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:15,840
Yeah. 
Rob's wife's dead, he captured 

1899
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,560
Lord Guywin and Patrick 
Mallester is one of Rob's 

1900
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:20,920
personal guard at the Whispering
Wood. 

1901
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:25,040
Now how perfect is that? 
Or how I mean the the house 

1902
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,320
that's known for defense, for 
guarding people. 

1903
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,480
Of course Patrick belongs when 
Rob's personal guard. 

1904
01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:31,040
That's where a Mallester 
belongs, right? 

1905
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,720
I'm not sure where he was when 
Torin and Eddard Karstark was 

1906
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:39,320
slain by Jaime Lannister and the
Hornwood kid, Darren Hornwood 

1907
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,640
was killed there too. 
Theon was there too. 

1908
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,560
And he didn't. 
He said I almost crossed swords 

1909
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,440
with the with the Kingslayer. 
Patrick, I guess he could have 

1910
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:47,680
said the same thing. 
I almost crossed swords. 

1911
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,880
He almost died then, because 
Patrick doesn't really. 

1912
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:51,960
I don't know. 
He doesn't really come off as 

1913
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:55,360
anything special warrior wise. 
Maybe he's better than he seems 

1914
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,120
and he was given this position, 
but I don't know. 

1915
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,240
He just maybe seems like he's 
not quite his father and that's 

1916
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,480
something to think about. 
Maybe Jason dies and if Patrick 

1917
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:06,800
becomes Lord Mallister, that 
could send them in a whole 

1918
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,640
different direction, a whole 
different trajectory. 

1919
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,120
But again, younger man, probably
only like 17 or 18. 

1920
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,920
Theon's age, only a little bit 
older than Rob, who was 16. 

1921
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,600
So the fact that he's not a 
knight, you know, don't read too

1922
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,240
much into that. 
Although Lord Sir Dennis 

1923
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:24,520
Maluster was a knight by 18. 
So Jason also fights in the 

1924
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,840
battle of the camps as well. 
It's a knight attack and they 

1925
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,000
attack and and caused great 
chaos. 

1926
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,480
No word if Lord Jason rode 
through that Lannister camp 

1927
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:34,440
making eagle sounds because that
would have been pretty cool. 

1928
01:32:34,440 --> 01:32:38,240
Like cutting people down, 
yelling like an eagle like a 

1929
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:39,560
madman. 
Doesn't really seem like 

1930
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:40,960
something he would do, but I 
picture it anyway. 

1931
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,400
Let's talk about the Kingdom of 
the North and how the Malusters 

1932
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,960
fit into that. 
After the initial battles and 

1933
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,440
the initial success, Lord Jason 
joined Rob's war council. 

1934
01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:50,200
Seemed like it was a foregone to
the conclusion that he would 

1935
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:51,840
belong there. 
Like, of course, this guy 

1936
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,680
belongs on the there's no 
question of his ability or a 

1937
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,560
seniority. 
He had little hesitation. 

1938
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,280
He was one of the first people 
to say, yeah, crown him crown 

1939
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,920
Rob He and he immediately called
for a defensive posture as a 

1940
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,440
malice or would right. 
He's like, all right, let's 

1941
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,280
let's let's fortify the 
Riverlands, deny Tywin's 

1942
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,160
supplies and make things 
difficult for him that way 

1943
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,040
rather than direct 
confrontation, you know, but 

1944
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,520
that's not what they did. 
But that's that Lord Jason would

1945
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:20,040
say that when it was time to 
send an envoy to Bailin Greyjoy,

1946
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:26,240
Cat was like, send Jason, send 
Jason and Nah, Rob Syntheon 

1947
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:27,960
mistake. 
It would have been would have 

1948
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,240
been pretty interesting if 
that's who showed up. 

1949
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,120
It's like, yeah, the Mallister 
showed up to talk to you Bailin,

1950
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:34,920
Like I don't want to talk to 
him. 

1951
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,880
So Theon actually went to Sea 
Guard with Lord Jason to take 

1952
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:46,560
ship to go to Sea Guard to go to
Pike, which is part of why Lord 

1953
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,480
Jason wasn't there for some 
important things at the Battle 

1954
01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:52,640
of the Fords. 
Lord Jason is back by then and 

1955
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,480
he is the commander of four of 
the defending of four of the 

1956
01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:58,880
Fords and drives back all the 
attacks, kills Lord Fleming 

1957
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,360
Bracks in the process. 
Although arguably Fleming killed

1958
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:05,960
himself by getting on a crappy 
raft in full armor and drowning.

1959
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,400
Yeah, he he gets half credit for
his own death there. 

1960
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,760
Next up, we have Lord Jason as 
one of the pallbearers, meaning 

1961
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,520
he was one of the seven Lords 
chosen to give Lord Hoster his 

1962
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:22,920
Tully River funeral, send off 
great honor for a Lord of the 

1963
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,800
Riverlands. 
And it seems again, like a lot 

1964
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,160
of other things, like of course,
Jason's included in this. 

1965
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,640
There's just not a lot of other 
Lords of the Riverlands that 

1966
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,160
could there aren't 12 Lords in 
the Riverlands that are more 

1967
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:36,040
outstanding than him that have 
higher, more seniority or pride 

1968
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:39,080
or whatever or, or standing. 
They were former kings too. 

1969
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,240
So yeah. 
And let alone, you know, 7. 

1970
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:48,360
So he would have been 
subordinate to Lord Hoster for a

1971
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,200
long time. 
Hoster was Lord of the of River 

1972
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:54,880
Run before Jason was Lord of Sea
Guards. 

1973
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:58,720
So, yeah, this is the guy would 
have been kind of the guy, his 

1974
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,960
leads, Lord, during his father's
time, maybe even his 

1975
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,520
grandfather's time. 
This would have, this is a big 

1976
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:06,320
change at the top. 
He would not have shown any 

1977
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,440
because he's a proud and 
honorable guy. 

1978
01:35:08,440 --> 01:35:13,400
He wouldn't have, like, smirked 
or frowned or grimaced when Ed 

1979
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:14,880
Muir kept missing with his 
shots. 

1980
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,640
He would have probably kept a 
stone face, but he would have 

1981
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,600
felt the shame, probably. 
Yeah. 

1982
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:25,560
The witness Lord Jason is at Sea
Guard when the Miraham returns 

1983
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,160
from the Iron Isles with news of
Balon's death. 

1984
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:32,320
So in in Clash of Kings, Theon 
takes the Miraham from Sea Guard

1985
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:38,360
to Pike, and then months pass, 
Balon dies, and in the chaos of 

1986
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,560
Balon's death, the Miraham 
escapes back to Sea Guard, 

1987
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,480
brings news to Jason. 
Jason immediately brings the 

1988
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:50,840
Captain to Hagsmire, where Rob's
army is, where Rob signs his 

1989
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,920
will. 
Jason's one of the the 

1990
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,600
witnesses. 
Not only is he one of the 

1991
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:59,360
witnesses, but he's part of the 
plan, the plan to deal with, 

1992
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,600
well to deal with the Ironborn 
in the north, which of course 

1993
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:04,040
we're going to include Jason in 
that. 

1994
01:36:04,440 --> 01:36:08,560
So his plan was to send 2 long 
ships into the neck flying Rob's

1995
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,520
banner so that the Craning men 
would know who they are and how 

1996
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,360
and Reid would would know hey 
allies and would, you know, flag

1997
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,560
them down. 
One of those boats would have 

1998
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:20,520
Lady Mage, the other would have 
Lord Glover, Galbra Glover, and 

1999
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,880
the ships are Jason's. 
It's Jason's long ships that are

2000
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,880
doing this. 
And the plan was also for after 

2001
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:29,440
the Red Wedding was for Caitlin 
to spend the rest of the war at 

2002
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:30,480
Sea Guard where she would be 
safe. 

2003
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:33,360
Caitlin did not like that idea. 
Jason was very polite about it. 

2004
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,640
But Canton's like, you're just 
sending me a way to be out of 

2005
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,080
the way and not be a part of 
things. 

2006
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,760
To be fair, Catlin had just, you
know, set Jamie free and people 

2007
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,240
weren't exactly happy with her 
decision making at that point. 

2008
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:47,600
So that was that was part of it.
But of course, none of that 

2009
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,600
ended up happening. 
That's why Jason was not at the 

2010
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,120
Red Wedding because he had to go
to Sea Guard to carry out those 

2011
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,440
orders with the long ships. 
He had to launch their ships, 

2012
01:36:56,440 --> 01:37:02,200
give the give the commands in 
Rob's name and do that sort of 

2013
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,600
do all that. 
So kind of worked out for him. 

2014
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,840
But Patrick still went to the 
Red Wedding. 

2015
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:10,040
But by the time of the Red 
Wedding, since Theon's not 

2016
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,520
around anymore, who's Patrick's 
new drinking buddy? 

2017
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,520
Ed Muir. 
Tully, that makes a little more 

2018
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,440
sense. 
You got these are the air to 

2019
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:19,240
River Run or now the current 
Lord of River Run. 

2020
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,720
The the funeral has already 
happened with the next Lord of 

2021
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,160
Sea Guard. 
Yeah, that's makes a little more

2022
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,440
scenely of a relationship than 
with Theon Greyjoy. 

2023
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,400
And again, it's the same type of
friendship, though Ed Muir is a 

2024
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:34,680
known purveyor of sex workers. 
And of course, Theon and Patrick

2025
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,400
would do similar things. 
They would go out and drink and 

2026
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,920
find women together. 
Yeah, maybe they eat, man, that 

2027
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,040
that kind of thing. 
So on the night of the Red 

2028
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:45,440
Wedding, he wasn't drinking 
because he's one of the guards, 

2029
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,240
right? 
But that hardly mattered. 

2030
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:51,520
I mean, they were the enemy was 
too well prepared for a for some

2031
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,520
not drinking to make a whole lot
of difference. 

2032
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,320
In fact, it backfired. 
And in terms of the Great John, 

2033
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:57,880
his drinking made him harder to 
deal with. 

2034
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,240
But like Great John, Patrick was
on the short list of men they 

2035
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:05,360
had no intention of killing 
because they didn't want Lord 

2036
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:11,480
Jason to be fully unrestrained 
in coming after them with 

2037
01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:13,760
Patrick as a hostage. 
Then Jason's got to sit out and 

2038
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,320
go. 
I can't. 

2039
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,200
Well, yeah, they're going to 
kill my son. 

2040
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:19,320
I want to help. 
But. 

2041
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,760
And of course, the friends knew 
that even a honor bound man like

2042
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,480
Lord Jason's not going to go so 
far as to get his own heir 

2043
01:38:25,480 --> 01:38:26,640
killed. 
It worked. 

2044
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,600
So the, the Maosters had to kind
of sit out for a bit there. 

2045
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:32,920
Now, what was Lord Jason's 
reaction though? 

2046
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:34,520
He wasn't there. 
He'd, I'm sure, he's sure he 

2047
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,760
would have been really mad, 
really distraught, because he 

2048
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,200
wouldn't have known at first 
that Patrick survived until he, 

2049
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,360
he was probably received word 
that, hey, your son's a hostage 

2050
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,080
of ours. 
Do what we say. 

2051
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,000
Or else that would be a very 
mixed message. 

2052
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,440
He'd be like, well, screw you 
and your demands, but sure glad 

2053
01:38:50,440 --> 01:38:53,360
my son's alive and he would 
understand why they were like, 

2054
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,760
yeah, that kept my son as a 
hostage to keep me in check. 

2055
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,280
And well, damn it, it's going to
work for now. 

2056
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:00,360
I'm sure he'd be trying to find 
a way out of that. 

2057
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,480
But in the short term, not much 
you can do about it. 

2058
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:06,960
In fact, while Patrick and Lord 
Jason were fighting for Lord for

2059
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,360
Robb Stark, another Malester was
getting ready to lose an 

2060
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:13,680
election to Rob's heir. 
So let's head north for a 

2061
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,840
Segway, then we'll return to 
these doings in the War of the 

2062
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:22,720
Five Kings and Lord Jason and 
Patrick and the phrase this 

2063
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:24,240
part's called maluster versus 
Pike. 

2064
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:30,240
I I just love how very maluster 
Sir Dennis Maluster is. 

2065
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:37,680
This guy is possibly the most 
extreme example of, you know, 

2066
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,960
old proud guy, but not the kind 
of proud that I dislike. 

2067
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,360
I I like Dennis Maluster and 
we'll we'll go through why. 

2068
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:49,240
Here's Sam approaching him. 
He's fibbing a little bit. 

2069
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:52,800
He's trying to do his magic with
the election, trying to get 

2070
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,640
people to vote for John. 
He's doing his thing. 

2071
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:56,800
It's pretty clever. 
Here he's pretending to 

2072
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:58,880
represent Maester Eamon's 
wishes. 

2073
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:02,720
Quote. 
Sam took a sip of wine and chose

2074
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:06,800
his words with care. 
Maester changed and sworn it 

2075
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:08,720
would not be proper for him to 
be seen as. 

2076
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:12,280
Having influence the choice of 
Lord Commander, the old knight 

2077
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:15,240
smiled. 
Which is why he has not come to 

2078
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:19,520
me himself. 
Yes, I quite understand Samwell.

2079
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:24,320
Eamon and I are both old men and
wise in such matters. 

2080
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,720
Say what you came to say. 
So forward, so up are you. 

2081
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,680
Can't even be subtle about 
intrigue I. 

2082
01:40:31,480 --> 01:40:32,760
Think that you're supposed to be
subtle. 

2083
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,800
Like, yes, I understand we're 
speaking, we're reading between 

2084
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,440
the lines here. 
We're Speaking of things that 

2085
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:38,640
shouldn't be said. 
I get it. 

2086
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:41,880
Do you? 
I love it. 

2087
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,600
He just can't. 
Like, no, this is he has to be 

2088
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:45,920
polite. 
He has to be who he is. 

2089
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,680
He is a master. 
He he's proud about everything. 

2090
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,040
And Sam knows that. 
Sam knows who he's dealing with.

2091
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,560
He knows that pride, this 
particular form of pride, it's 

2092
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,080
not the pride. 
It's not the toxic masculinity 

2093
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:00,640
pride. 
I want to draw that distinction 

2094
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:01,720
here. 
This is the kind of pride that's

2095
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:03,640
earned. 
Maoster has a good reason to be 

2096
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:05,280
proud. 
It's not just because of where 

2097
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,360
the family comes from. 
It's because the family comes 

2098
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:11,040
from has earned who they are 
too, for the most part, right? 

2099
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,960
It's not the unearned confidence
of, hey, I'm a Lannister, you 

2100
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,040
should respect me. 
No, this guy's done things 

2101
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:17,680
right. 
He he's he isn't just a 

2102
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,200
maluster. 
He's a maluster who worked at 

2103
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:23,160
it, who did his duty, who did 
his job, who has defended the 

2104
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:27,880
realm for 50 years or more. 
I mean, let's give the guy some 

2105
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,000
credit, right? 
I mean, yeah, he's a he's a bit 

2106
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,160
of a goofball. 
He's funny in the way he talks 

2107
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:34,680
and he's over the top. 
George is doing that on purpose.

2108
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,000
Like I said, I think he's the 
most extreme example of this 

2109
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:41,200
sort of character. 
The the the over proud older guy

2110
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,080
who's genuinely proud, not just 
he's not just puffed up. 

2111
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:46,160
And I think that's important and
that's part of why I like him. 

2112
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,040
So Sam knows, like I said, Sam 
knows what he's dealing with. 

2113
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,520
He's egging Sir Dennis on a bet.
He knows exactly what he's 

2114
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:52,920
doing. 
He's trying to bring up Cotter 

2115
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:58,760
Pike in order to present Jon 
Snow as a better alternative. 

2116
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,680
He's like, I'll I'll present the
unpalatable option and then hey,

2117
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:05,440
what about this guy? 
So here is I love Sir Dennis's 

2118
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:07,000
next line. 
It's more of the same about him.

2119
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:09,680
Just like, yes, I get it. 
I'm the I'm blah, blah, blah. 

2120
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:11,680
I'm wise and understand here we 
go. 

2121
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:12,880
Let's let him do it. 
Quote. 

2122
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:17,760
We are the sons of great Lords, 
you and I, We. 

2123
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:22,960
Know the importance of birth 
blood and that early training 

2124
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:28,640
that can ne'er be replaced. 
I was a Squire at 12A, knight at

2125
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:34,800
18, a champion at 2 and 20. 
I have been the commander at the

2126
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:41,560
Shadow Tower for 33 years. 
Blood, birth and training have 

2127
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:46,200
fitted me to deal with kings. 
He's not entirely wrong. 

2128
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,200
I mean, again, these are fair. 
These are. 

2129
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,480
Good accomplishments on night 
18, that is. 

2130
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,560
That is impressive. 
Even with his birth, that's 

2131
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,080
impressive. 
A champion at 22, he's even more

2132
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:58,760
impressive, right? 
Like that's legit. 

2133
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:00,560
He really looks like a master 
too. 

2134
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,920
I mean, he's silvery from age. 
He's upright. 

2135
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:04,840
His you know, his spine is 
straight. 

2136
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:06,720
He's correct. 
He's as polite as can be. 

2137
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,960
He changes words to the more 
correct polite version of the 

2138
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,680
word. 
You know, he's repeating 

2139
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:14,320
somebody else. 
He's got arrogance, sure, 

2140
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,840
definitely arrogance, but he's a
good person, right? 

2141
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:18,920
He's a good guy. 
Ultimately, this is a guy that 

2142
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:21,120
would that would die for you. 
He would die to defend the 

2143
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:22,520
realm. 
So like, I'm not going to say 

2144
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,120
too much negative about a person
like that. 

2145
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:26,760
And he's done so for so long, 
dedicated his whole life to it, 

2146
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,680
never complained. 
Dennis probably assumes a lot 

2147
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,640
about Sam that he assumes about 
himself. 

2148
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:35,640
Because, yeah, the Tarly's are a
marcher house. 

2149
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:37,600
They have also a war like 
tradition. 

2150
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:42,160
They are proud Marshall. 
So Dennis is like, yeah, we are.

2151
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:43,480
We are cut from the same cloth. 
He's not. 

2152
01:43:43,480 --> 01:43:45,040
He's right too. 
Like Sam isn't. 

2153
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:47,240
Sam is using that against him to
get a result. 

2154
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:52,920
But he knows what he's doing. 
One of the dragon seeds during 

2155
01:43:53,480 --> 01:43:56,800
the dance was a guy named Silver
Dennis who claimed he was a 

2156
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,160
descendant of Megor. 
To me, this is the real Silver 

2157
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:00,840
Dennis though. 
Or at least Silver and Purple 

2158
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:05,080
Dennis, right? 
This isn't a man who is unsure 

2159
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,280
of himself, so he's saying 
things to make himself seem more

2160
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,520
confident. 
He genuinely is this confident. 

2161
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,280
There's no chip on his shoulder.
He doesn't have things to prove,

2162
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:15,720
which is why when he he is 
willing to yield to Sam, he's 

2163
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:17,280
like, yeah, I like, I don't need
this. 

2164
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,720
I don't need to be Lord 
Commander to feel whole. 

2165
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:23,960
I don't need it to for my career
as a person to feel successful. 

2166
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:25,920
I don't need that honor. 
I don't need that job. 

2167
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:28,200
It's it's it's kind of like a 
Stannis thing where he's like, 

2168
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:31,040
I'm the best guy for the job. 
He sees it plainly. 

2169
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,200
There is some arrogance in that,
but it's also pride. 

2170
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,760
And he's got a point. 
He does have a shit load of 

2171
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,520
experience, right? 
And again, he's a maluster who 

2172
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,120
was raised in a tradition of 
defending the realm in a place 

2173
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:45,920
where they're defending the 
realm. 

2174
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,520
That's their whole purpose of 
being there. 

2175
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,880
And it's the West Coast of, of 
the wall right there. 

2176
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,600
That's when they have on both 
coasts on the wall, they have 

2177
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,680
Raiders who get on boats, little
rafts, sometimes nothing too 

2178
01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,240
fancy, but still they, they 
skirt around the wall. 

2179
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:02,360
And that's kind of the thing 
that the malusters have to deal 

2180
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:04,280
with too. 
So it's, it's really familiar. 

2181
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:08,600
It's not a soft life. 
You know, you face Raiders that 

2182
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:10,160
are out to kill you and steal 
people. 

2183
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,480
It's yeah. 
It's not exactly how Stark, but 

2184
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:18,520
House Mouser probably has more 
voluntary nights watch joiners 

2185
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:21,360
than most houses, especially 
houses outside the North. 

2186
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:23,920
I, you know, we obviously don't 
have numbers on that, but I 

2187
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:25,480
would feel comfortable betting 
on that. 

2188
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,640
It's just too similar, right? 
It's like, hey, I can go do this

2189
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,880
job up there and I can rise 
higher here. 

2190
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,960
I, you know, I, I can't be the 
Lord of Sea Guard. 

2191
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:34,840
Dennis could never be the Lord 
of Sea Guard, but he was this 

2192
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:37,880
close to being Lord Commander 
and Commander the Shadow Tower 

2193
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:40,680
is still very honorable. 
That's a great career. 

2194
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,200
I mean, again, he doesn't need 
to be promoted again to feel 

2195
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,160
like his, his life was a 
success. 

2196
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,280
He's like, well, I could take 
another step up. 

2197
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,120
I'm the right man for the job. 
But if not, I will serve whoever

2198
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:53,080
is elected and I won't be petty 
about it. 

2199
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,520
I respect that. 
Yeah. 

2200
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,120
So he is a little bit, you know,
like, I wonder if he is a little

2201
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:00,840
bit like John in that sense, 
without the grand destiny. 

2202
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:05,040
In other words, someone who was 
a bit naive about the Nights 

2203
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:06,360
Watch. 
Maybe he thought it was a little

2204
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:07,920
more nightly, a little more 
virtuous. 

2205
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,680
But this is a guy that doesn't 
seem to be bitter about that. 

2206
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:13,560
He's still a very much part of 
the program. 

2207
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:18,720
He might look down on Cotter 
Pike, but he doesn't act like 

2208
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:22,400
Cotter Pike doesn't deserve to 
be in the Night's Watch, Right. 

2209
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:24,000
And this is one of the, which 
is, by the way, one of the 

2210
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,760
really cool things about the 
Night's Watch is that you can 

2211
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:31,560
have a malicester, a bastard of,
of Pike, the same team, you 

2212
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:33,720
know, and maybe they don't love 
each other and maybe it's smart 

2213
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,040
to separate them. 
Have one at the Shadow Tower and

2214
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:40,640
one of these watch, but they're 
still that's a, that's a feather

2215
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:42,720
in the cap of the watch, an 
eagle feather in this case, I 

2216
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:44,560
suppose. 
I wonder too. 

2217
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,480
Well, you know, Dennis 
Mallister, we don't know when he

2218
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:48,840
joined the watch clearly after 
age 22, because he was a 

2219
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,560
tournament champion at age 22. 
A little bit of, like I said, a 

2220
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:53,800
little bit of maybe a Jon Snow 
not knowing really what he's 

2221
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:55,600
getting into. 
Maybe a little bit of Sir Waymar

2222
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,840
Royce. 
You know, Raymar Royce obviously

2223
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,200
didn't last and was even 
younger. 

2224
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:02,760
But I used the Royce as an 
example before of a house that's

2225
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,520
kind of a a veil comparison, you
know, a house that's very 

2226
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,000
Marshall, very upfront, very 
upright, very proud of who they 

2227
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,240
are. 
Their lineage is relatively 

2228
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:15,600
clean of scandal and conspiracy 
and rebellion, things like that.

2229
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:17,160
You generally they do the right 
thing. 

2230
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,840
I I wonder what Dennis thought 
of Balon's rebellion. 

2231
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:24,320
You know, he's like, oh, damn, 
for once I wish I was down 

2232
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:25,360
there. 
You know, I want to fight the 

2233
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:26,480
Iron Borne. 
This would have been a chance. 

2234
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,760
He probably would have heard 
what Lord Jason did and would 

2235
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,280
have been like, Yep, that's what
we do. 

2236
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:37,240
That's what malice tours do. 
Killing that heir to Pike. 2 

2237
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:40,440
thumbs up. 
It's also no wonder that Sam is 

2238
01:47:40,440 --> 01:47:43,560
up up against a lot here and he 
has to use deception. 

2239
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:45,640
I mean he's he's trying to 
manage a situation between a 

2240
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:47,640
Maoister of Sea Guard and an 
ironborn bastard. 

2241
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:52,520
They're really the most opposite
you could have in terms of 

2242
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:54,200
people who are somehow on the 
same team. 

2243
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:57,640
And I love this too. 
One final quote from Dennis. 

2244
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:01,040
He's more quotable than Jason or
any of these other Malinsters. 

2245
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,440
I love it even when he's 
prejudice, he's proper. 

2246
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:06,800
He changes words to the more 
polite version. 

2247
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:08,720
Here we go. 
This is I love this line quote 

2248
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,680
hike. 
Well, did you hear him this 

2249
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:15,520
morning asking if his? 
Grace would wipe his bottom. 

2250
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:21,080
Samwell, it is not my habit to 
speak unkindly of my brothers, 

2251
01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:26,320
but let us be frank. 
The Iron Born are a race of 

2252
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:30,240
pirates and thieves, and Cotter 
Pike was raping and murdering 

2253
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:35,120
when he was still half a boy. 
Maester Harmoon reads and writes

2254
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:40,920
his letters and has for years. 
No, loathe as I am to disappoint

2255
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:46,760
Maester Eamonn, I could not in 
honor stand aside for Pike of 

2256
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:51,320
East Watch. 
Did you hear him this morning 

2257
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,360
asking if His Grace? 
Would wipe his bottom. 

2258
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:55,320
Of course. 
That is not the phrase Cotter 

2259
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,920
Pike used. 
He said he used the term arse. 

2260
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:03,120
Obviously. 
This is so funny and you know I 

2261
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:05,920
don't agree with what he's 
saying here, but Cotter Pike was

2262
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:07,520
raping and murdering when he was
still half a boy. 

2263
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:09,400
Because that is what the 
Ironborn teach a lot of their 

2264
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:12,000
people, but they're not a race 
of pirates of thieves. 

2265
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:13,240
That's not true. 
There's a lot of them. 

2266
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:15,880
A lot of them are that, but it's
still a relatively small 

2267
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:17,200
percentage. 
This is the ones that you've 

2268
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:19,720
dealt with all your life and 
your family has the most of them

2269
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:23,080
are just, you know, fishing or 
trading. 

2270
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:26,240
Still, it's still funny. 
It's I love this. 

2271
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:28,880
I love this exchange. 
Sam's conversations here with 

2272
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:30,680
him and Cotter Pike are really 
entertaining. 

2273
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:36,360
And you can see how Sam is able 
to get through to Sir Dennis by 

2274
01:49:36,440 --> 01:49:40,160
bringing up John's qualities. 
He's like, yeah, John's a 

2275
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:44,040
bastard, but he's the son of 
Winterfell. 

2276
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,160
He was chosen by Lord Commander 
Mormont. 

2277
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:51,200
He's related to the 1st Ranger. 
He's the brother of a king. 

2278
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,400
Like, that speaks to a man like 
Dennis. 

2279
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:56,960
Like, yeah, actually, that's a 
pretty good list of connections 

2280
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,600
and birth and stuff, you know? 
And and it's enough. 

2281
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:01,560
It's enough. 
Like Sir Dennis again, he wasn't

2282
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,520
like, I have to be the Lord 
Commander or I'm a failure or, 

2283
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,160
and I'm going to be ashamed if 
this young man is promoted above

2284
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:08,800
me. 
Nah, that's not how he feels. 

2285
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:12,120
He's his pride is legit. 
It's it's earned and it's 

2286
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:13,520
sincere. 
So it's not going to be touched 

2287
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,360
too much by this, by this, by 
John being promoted over him. 

2288
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:19,440
He handles it. 
He's like, you be a good Lord 

2289
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:20,800
Commander. 
I'm here to support you. 

2290
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:24,040
But you know, we're not going to
forget that you're a young man 

2291
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,200
and need advice. 
That's basically his reaction. 

2292
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:29,320
And I, I respect that. 
Again, it's a good example of 

2293
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,800
non-toxic masculinity. 
Yeah, he's arrogant. 

2294
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:35,920
He talks down to people, but he 
backs up everything. 

2295
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:39,000
He's earned it. 
You know, he's he's done his 

2296
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:42,440
job. 
People who do their job get 

2297
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,440
should get some credit, right? 
And his job is hard. 

2298
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,920
You know, he he he's a very 
privileged man, but he worked at

2299
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:50,680
that privilege. 
He made the most of it, right? 

2300
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:53,800
He's not a guy who sat back and 
was like, I was born rich. 

2301
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,120
I'm going to slack off and live 
that way now. 

2302
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:59,760
This guy, this guy worked, so I 
don't, so it's hard for me to 

2303
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,520
find negative things about him, 
even though I did say some 

2304
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:04,520
negative things about him. 
I feel like if a Sandor Clegane 

2305
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:07,880
grew up with Sir Dennis as a 
brother instead of Gregor, like 

2306
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:10,040
he would be proud to be Sir 
Sandor. 

2307
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,400
I think, you know, And it makes 
me wonder why people like 

2308
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,720
Victorian, what if Victorian had
born a maluster? 

2309
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,440
Is is this a real like nature 
nurture kind of thing? 

2310
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:19,200
Like, if he had been brought up 
in that culture, he might have 

2311
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:22,120
been the biggest terror of 
against the Ironborn instead of 

2312
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:25,080
one who is a terror of the 
Ironborn, Right? 

2313
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:28,600
I made the same point in talking
about Victarion in our ballerina

2314
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:30,640
series. 
Like, what if Victarion was born

2315
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:32,120
a Stark? 
He seems just like too bought 

2316
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:35,400
into whatever he's in to change.
So if he was born a Stark of 

2317
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:37,120
Winterfell, he would be all 
about it, you know? 

2318
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:38,800
But he's a great joy. 
That's that. 

2319
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:44,280
So let's leave the Black 
brothers for Black Walder, a 

2320
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:46,880
character whose personality you 
will not find me praising, 

2321
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,280
unlike Sir Dennis. 
But I definitely want to know 

2322
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,920
what he's going to do next. 
He's an interesting character, 

2323
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:56,000
that's for sure. 
Under Blackwalder. 

2324
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:59,800
Blackwalder put Sea Guard under 
siege after the Red Wedding and 

2325
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:02,600
rode there with Patrick Mouster 
threatening to hang him. 

2326
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,720
Real contrast to what the phrase
did at River Run. 

2327
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:10,240
The phrase threatened to hang 
Edmure Tully and Blackfish 

2328
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:13,240
called their bluff. 
Good example of knowing who's 

2329
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:16,400
bluffing who isn't. 
Lord Jason is a tough man, but 

2330
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:20,440
when he saw Blackwalder with his
heir threatening to hang, he's 

2331
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:23,840
like that guy will go through 
with it just to prove he will. 

2332
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:26,520
I can't allow him to. 
I can't do that. 

2333
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:28,640
He's going to do it. 
I, I, I, he. 

2334
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:30,640
Blackwalder knows his own 
reputation. 

2335
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:32,640
Blackwalder knows that if he 
doesn't follow through with a 

2336
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:36,160
threat, then his reputation's 
he's no longer as scary. 

2337
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:40,400
He doesn't want to hang Patrick,
but if he's got to do it to 

2338
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,200
maintain his reputation, he 
won't think twice. 

2339
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:46,200
Unlike the frays who were 
bluffing and Jamie called them 

2340
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:48,840
out on that after Blackfish did 
be. 

2341
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:51,120
So Jason's not going to test 
Black Walter's reputation 

2342
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:54,040
because someone else already 
dead and he knows what's going 

2343
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:56,000
to happen. 
Interestingly, there's a Wendell

2344
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,080
Frey at Sea Guard serving his 
page. 

2345
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,320
This is a son of Lord Walter. 
This is not a grandson, great 

2346
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,360
grandson, whatever. 
This is the 19th son of Lord 

2347
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,680
Walter with his most recent 
wife, Anara Fairing. 

2348
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:10,800
Wendell is 14 years old, but 
rumors have it that Black 

2349
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:14,960
Walter's his actual father. 
So Blackwalder is holding this 

2350
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:19,880
castle by force and his own 
maybe his own son is there as a 

2351
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:24,000
page and see, notably, Lord 
Jason knew better than to say, 

2352
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,720
well, if you kill Patrick, I'll 
kill I'll kill this Wendell 

2353
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:28,640
Frey. 
He knew that wouldn't work. 

2354
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:34,040
That'd be one way to just get 
his son killed and then be like,

2355
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:35,800
now I got to follow through with
this threat. 

2356
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:37,280
I don't want to do that. 
That's that's not very 

2357
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:38,480
honorable. 
So of course he's not going to 

2358
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:42,280
walk down that road again. 
Mallister's very practiced at 

2359
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,080
not getting in too deep. 
You don't even don't even get 

2360
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,240
started. 
Don't even take one step down 

2361
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:49,520
that path because next thing you
know you'll be 10 steps down 

2362
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:51,800
that path and 20 and then next 
thing you know, that's your 

2363
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:55,080
family reputation. 
So as things stand right now, 

2364
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:58,280
Blackwalder is ruling Sea Guard 
with the maesters as prisoners 

2365
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:01,080
like Jason and and Patrick are. 
They're just prisoners are in 

2366
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:04,280
their own castle and and they're
near the twins, right. 

2367
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:05,560
I remember we talked about that 
earlier. 

2368
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:07,840
This is close by. 
You saw that on the map, most 

2369
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:09,760
likely. 
If you didn't, well, you can see

2370
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,280
at any any time. 
Maybe a shade will put it right 

2371
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:14,440
back up here. 
All right, there you go. 

2372
01:54:14,440 --> 01:54:15,440
See. 
Look how close that is. 

2373
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:19,200
So Black Walter could bring more
men fairly quickly if he needed.

2374
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:21,200
He can communicate back and 
forth with the twins pretty 

2375
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:25,320
quickly. 
But Nina reminds us that only 

2376
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:29,960
Edwin Frey, not the most 
competent, fearsome man even 

2377
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:34,600
among Frey's, and maybe little 
Walda, are the only two in his 

2378
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,040
way to being direct heir of the 
Twins. 

2379
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,600
If those two are out of the way,
and Little Walda arguably 

2380
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:41,440
already is, because I don't 
think a little girl's going to 

2381
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:44,480
inherit the twins would have 
been like Black Walders around 

2382
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:46,960
then. 
It's all set up for him. 

2383
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:50,440
And Black Walder obviously wants
to rule the crossing. 

2384
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:53,680
His family seems to know that. 
We know that. 

2385
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:59,440
So if something happens at the 
Twins, Blackwalder may have to 

2386
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:02,800
leave Seaguard in a hurry in 
order to take his shot to grab 

2387
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:05,480
the title. 
He wouldn't just abandon it, but

2388
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,600
he might have to leave in a 
hurry, leaving a subordinate 

2389
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:10,880
there, which might be the 
opportunity that the Maoisters 

2390
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:14,160
need to break free. 
Which brings us to where Eagles 

2391
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:16,520
Dare. 
Thanks to Matt Reeves for 

2392
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:19,920
reminding me to use this phrase.
It's also a really good Iron 

2393
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:22,440
Maiden song. 
It's sort of a World War 2 

2394
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:25,520
reference, among other things. 
Earlier in the episode, when 

2395
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,680
discussing the lay of the land, 
among other things. 

2396
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:29,640
Like it. 
Yeah, it's a it's a great song 

2397
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:31,920
discussing the lay of the land. 
We pointed out that the twins 

2398
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,720
are not far from Sea Guard. 
Of course, we keep bringing that

2399
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:35,280
up. 
It's being used against them 

2400
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,720
right now being that proximity 
to the twins is a bad thing 

2401
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:40,560
because of the nearby extra bad 
guys. 

2402
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:44,120
But let's see how that could 
change really quickly. 

2403
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:48,400
Again, Blackwater could be 
pulled to the Twins for reasons 

2404
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:51,600
of succession or opportunity, 
but it could also be because of 

2405
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:58,200
our projected slash theorized on
eventual Red Wedding. 2 point O.

2406
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:01,240
If there's a wedding at the 
Twins, Black Walter might just 

2407
01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:02,960
miss it. 
He might just stay at Sea Guard,

2408
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:04,440
but probably not because it's so
close. 

2409
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:08,320
He probably goes to it while 
bringing his hostages with him. 

2410
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:10,360
You know, have them attend as 
well. 

2411
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:14,280
And if something goes wrong, if 
the Brother without banners, if 

2412
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,560
Blackfish, if Arya, if, who 
knows, if all the different 

2413
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:21,640
players that are against the 
twins in this area, if they rise

2414
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:25,360
up and cause bring justice, 
slash revenge to the 

2415
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:29,320
proceedings, Malice might be 
right there and just get freed 

2416
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:32,480
in the middle of it all in time 
to join the bloodshed. 

2417
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:34,880
Perhaps that could be like a 
reverse of the Red Wedding where

2418
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,400
Patrick and Jason's hands were 
tied. 

2419
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:39,200
Well, Jason wasn't even at the 
Red Wedding, but they're his 

2420
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,960
hands were tied immediately as 
if he was they could be 

2421
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:44,480
unleashed in the midst of it. 
That would be really cool. 

2422
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:47,080
This, by the way, could be more 
than enough for them to reclaim 

2423
01:56:47,080 --> 01:56:48,920
the rule of their own castle, 
let alone what else might 

2424
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:51,600
happen. 
You know, the chaos of of that. 

2425
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:56,080
Like how is Blackwald we're 
going to hold sea guard when the

2426
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:59,920
twins is just in chaos, right. 
And that might even allow them 

2427
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:00,800
to move on. 
The Lannisters. 

2428
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:02,520
The Lannisters have all sorts of
problems happening. 

2429
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:05,680
Jamie was captured. 
Cersei's not doing so well. 

2430
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:12,560
The Young Griff is on his way, 
you know, so that's potentially 

2431
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:16,600
an opening to move there. 
The again, as I pointed out very

2432
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,120
early in the episode, I believe 
in the intro, the Maoister 

2433
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:22,000
strength has not been spent. 
They haven't lost a lot of 

2434
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:25,400
soldiers in the War of 5 Kings. 
They are perhaps one of the 

2435
01:57:25,400 --> 01:57:27,680
Riverlands houses that has the 
most remaining strength. 

2436
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,760
Big deal, which is part of why 
it's going to be hard for the 

2437
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:33,240
phrase to hold them in check and
part of why the phrase might be 

2438
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:36,640
at risk from the Maoisters, 
because that strength is just a 

2439
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:38,880
few miles away or a few leagues 
away, however far. 

2440
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:42,120
Not far. 
Yes, I remember what I said 

2441
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:45,960
before about Lord Jason jesting 
with Blackfish at Catlin's 

2442
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:47,920
wedding. 
That may have been a way to show

2443
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,760
a connection between those two 
that could bear fruit later. 

2444
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:54,240
Such as in this scenario. 
For all we know, Blackfish and 

2445
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:55,840
Lord Jason have already been in 
contact. 

2446
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:59,040
Maybe not because of the whole, 
you know, Black Walter ruling 

2447
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:02,320
Sea Guard and all, but that's a 
guy he would want to hook up 

2448
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:03,800
with. 
That's a natural team right 

2449
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:05,720
there. 
You know, I'm sure that both 

2450
01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:10,200
both Blackfish and Jason want to
get justice for what was done to

2451
01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:13,360
Rob and beyond what the phrase 
did. 

2452
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:16,000
Well, it wasn't just the phrase,
it was the Bolton's, it was the 

2453
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,360
Lannisters. 
It it doesn't end with Walter, 

2454
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:22,280
it doesn't end with lame Lothar 
and and the rest, it ends with 

2455
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:29,440
Lannisters and Bolton's. 
Speaking of Bolton's and the 

2456
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:33,640
North, let's not forget Lord 
Jason knows that Rob's heir is 

2457
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:35,040
Jon Snow. 
He's one of the few. 

2458
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:39,440
He has presumably told Patrick 
by now they're just chilling in 

2459
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:42,520
captivity in their own castle. 
May as well talk about that and 

2460
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:44,120
other things. 
So there's a couple of 

2461
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:47,240
possibilities there. 
They go north to fight the 

2462
01:58:47,240 --> 01:58:49,280
others. 
They go north to deliver the 

2463
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:51,360
news to Jon Snow. 
They do both. 

2464
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:53,880
They go north to deliver the 
news of Jon Snow to bow before 

2465
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:56,320
him as their new king. 
And they're still up there when 

2466
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:59,680
things break loose in the wall. 
A lot of possibilities, but a 

2467
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:03,240
lot of reasons that could draw 
them N especially because if 

2468
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,440
their main job is to fight the 
Ironborn, I mean, Euron is 

2469
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:07,080
doesn't give a crap about them 
right now. 

2470
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:10,840
Euron is, he skipped them, he 
skipped Flandisters, he went 

2471
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:13,160
straight to the Shield Islands 
and then went around there and 

2472
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:15,000
attacked the Arbor. 
And now he's sending the Iron 

2473
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:16,760
Fleet with Victorian to get 
Dragons. 

2474
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:18,560
He could care less about Sea 
Guard. 

2475
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:22,320
So I think Sea Guard can say 
well all the Ironborn in the 

2476
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:27,960
world are either on the Shields 
or in Slaver's Bay. 

2477
01:59:29,480 --> 01:59:33,040
Actually, we can leave our 
castle for a while for once, 

2478
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:36,560
that us leaving won't give them 
an opportunity because they're 

2479
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:39,120
not there. 
The Ironborn aren't at Pike. 

2480
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:41,000
The Ironborn aren't on the Iron 
Islands. 

2481
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:47,000
Most of their military strength 
is in the field or in the sea or

2482
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:49,880
at the yeah, not at Pike, not on
the Iron Isles. 

2483
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:54,760
So Sea Guard is unusual in the 
unusually positioned to say, 

2484
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:59,120
hey, actually, for once, us 
being needed elsewhere, we can 

2485
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:02,120
actually go do that. 
And I think that somewhere is, 

2486
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:04,240
yes, there's things to do in the
Riverlands, but I think more 

2487
02:00:04,240 --> 02:00:06,560
longer term. 
Malistor is in the North. 

2488
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:09,800
That's my that's my simpler 
prediction morphs. 

2489
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:13,120
If I want to get more specific 
with it, I'll say yeah, Lord 

2490
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:16,000
Jason and Patrick fighting 
against the fighting against the

2491
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,760
undead at Winterfell. 
Now, what about what happens if 

2492
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:22,680
Lord Jason doesn't make it like 
that will change a lot. 

2493
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:24,760
That's a big pivot point here, I
think. 

2494
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:27,360
I think yes, despite my 
prediction that they go north, A

2495
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:29,800
thing that could change that 
would be the death of of Lord 

2496
02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:33,280
Jason, because I don't know that
Patrick is again cut from the 

2497
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,000
same cloth. 
He likes to drink, he likes to 

2498
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:36,880
chase women. 
Now maybe Jason Mallister did 

2499
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:39,360
that too when he was younger and
maybe becoming Lord will mature 

2500
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:40,560
him a bit. 
It wouldn't be the strangest 

2501
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:42,600
thing ever. 
But this is not a guy who's got 

2502
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:44,320
war experience. 
He hasn't fought a whole lot. 

2503
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:46,240
He's got a little bit. 
He did fight at the Whispering 

2504
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:49,440
Wood battle camps, all that. 
But has he even killed a man? 

2505
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:50,720
I don't know. 
I don't know that he has. 

2506
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:54,200
So it's a definite, it would be 
a very different outlook if if 

2507
02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:57,240
Patrick is at the top. 
That said, this is really the 

2508
02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:59,920
only of two possibilities. 
There's Jason leading, Patrick 

2509
02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:03,880
leading, or maybe they both die 
and the house is just off page 

2510
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:06,000
for a while because they can't 
do anything without a leader. 

2511
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:09,600
I doubt that. 
I doubt George set them up this 

2512
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:11,480
way to just kind of do nothing 
in the long term. 

2513
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:13,240
It's it would be easy enough to 
include them. 

2514
02:01:13,480 --> 02:01:15,560
There's a reason he saved them 
and their strength is still 

2515
02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:17,480
there. 
From a meta perspective, I think

2516
02:01:17,480 --> 02:01:19,440
George has plans for them. 
I think all of this suggests 

2517
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:21,880
that very strongly. 
It's hard to be too sure about 

2518
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:25,760
what, but they're deeply 
involved in both the intrigue 

2519
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:28,160
and the succession in the North 
and have the military strength 

2520
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:30,200
to do the fighting in a number 
of different places. 

2521
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:32,640
So there's a lot they could be 
involved with, a lot they should

2522
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:34,360
be involved with. 
So I have pretty high 

2523
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:36,560
expectations. 
Y'all trivia question. 

2524
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:40,800
Let's see here. 
The 3rd house mentioned in all 

2525
02:01:40,800 --> 02:01:42,720
of A Song of Ice and Fire is 
Malester. 

2526
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:44,800
The question was to name one or 
both of the first two. 

2527
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:48,080
I didn't actually name them 
during this in that context, 

2528
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:49,560
although they're both the names 
were mentioned. 

2529
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:50,840
Usually I reveal the answer 
during. 

2530
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:52,000
I didn't actually do that this 
time. 

2531
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:55,280
It's Royce and Mormont. 
Of course. 

2532
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:59,360
Royce because way more Royce. 
Mormont may be less obvious, but

2533
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:00,800
he gets mentioned because of 
Lord Commander. 

2534
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:04,120
You might have guessed Targaryen
cause of Amon Eamon's name is 

2535
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:06,840
stated but not Targaryen, just 
Eamon. 

2536
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:09,480
And you might have guessed 
Baratheon because he's the King 

2537
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:13,360
and Waymar Royce does a shout 
out Robert's name but doesn't 

2538
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:16,480
say Baratheon, it says for 
Robert and actually that comes 

2539
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:20,080
after the name Mallister anyway.
So there you go, Royce and 

2540
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:22,960
Mormont and Mallister, the first
three houses mentioned in all of

2541
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:25,840
A Song of Ice and Fire. 
Other episodes that you might 

2542
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:29,280
want to check out that have 
relation to this one, the Battle

2543
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:32,360
of the Trident, the abduction of
Lyanna, Brendan Blackfish 

2544
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:35,520
episode, he's got a whole 1, The
Riddle of Rob's will. 

2545
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:37,320
Of course, the Mousers 
involvement in that we've talked

2546
02:02:37,320 --> 02:02:39,320
about and this is a couple 
different looks at it. 

2547
02:02:39,320 --> 02:02:43,480
A little more extensive coverage
there and of course not super 

2548
02:02:43,480 --> 02:02:46,360
related to the Mousers, but it 
was their first mention and we 

2549
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:48,280
did talk about how their 
connection to the Nights Watch 

2550
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:51,120
is something a little different.
That would be Aziz versus the 

2551
02:02:51,120 --> 02:02:52,920
prologue. 
We have an episode where I just 

2552
02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:56,560
discussed the prologue and break
it down and it's pretty good if 

2553
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:59,440
I do say so myself. 
Thanks everybody. 

2554
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:01,320
Appreciate you hanging out with 
us today. 

2555
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:03,720
Whether you're catching this 
live or you're catching the 

2556
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:07,040
edited version on whatever 
platform you happen to be 

2557
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:09,120
catching it on, we certainly 
appreciate you listening. 

2558
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:11,880
We appreciate your feedback. 
Our feedback is a big deal to 

2559
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,400
us. 
It helps drive engagement and 

2560
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:16,920
it's motivating. 
We we, we like it when you all 

2561
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:20,720
comment and tell us the parts 
about the episodes you like the 

2562
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:22,400
most. 
And hey, if you got some 

2563
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:24,880
negative feedbacks and negative 
criticisms, we'll take that too.

2564
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:26,320
You know, that's how we make the
show better. 

2565
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:30,120
Thanks again to Nina for her 
great takes, her notes and 

2566
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:32,240
suggestions and thoughts. 
I have a lot of times I just 

2567
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:34,040
talk things through with her. 
It isn't always things she just 

2568
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:36,080
puts directly in the document, 
you know, just I bounce ideas 

2569
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:38,960
off of her. 
Again, happy birthday Nina, and 

2570
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:41,560
don't forget to check out good 
queenalley.tumblr.com. 

2571
02:03:42,120 --> 02:03:47,160
Also thanks to Joey and Jesse 
for our intro music and outro 

2572
02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:48,960
music. 
And thanks to Michael Klarfeld 

2573
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:51,680
for our video intro. 
It's so very cool. 

2574
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:54,480
We love it. 
And the maps that you saw during

2575
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,400
the episode, some of them 
anywhere, are Michael Clarfeld's

2576
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:57,440
maps too. 
So there you go. 

2577
02:03:57,440 --> 02:03:58,320
Not all of them, but some of 
them. 

2578
02:03:58,520 --> 02:04:00,920
You can get his maps from at 
claradox.de. 

2579
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:03,520
You can just download the file 
and go take it to a Kinko's or 

2580
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,320
something like that, Get it 
printed in whatever size you 

2581
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:06,600
want. 
That's what we did. 

2582
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:08,520
That's where these came from. 
Pretty. 

2583
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:10,040
It's cheaper than you think, 
most likely. 

2584
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:13,600
On behalf of Ashea, I'm Aziz. 
We'll see you next time for 

2585
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:15,080
more. 
You know what to do. 

2586
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:17,280
Until then, Valari Ritas.