1 00:01:37,490 --> 00:01:41,810 As the war continues in its early stages, new players enter 2 00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:45,210 the game. Many join as subordinates but 3 00:01:45,250 --> 00:01:48,330 wield power through those above them in the hierarchical 4 00:01:48,330 --> 00:01:50,280 structure. Whether it's Lord Jason 5 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,920 Lannister throwing his weight around and expecting Amon to 6 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,800 escort his army, or Mazaria getting close to Rainiera, Laris 7 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,360 getting his hooks into Aegon, Alice seeing Damon finally 8 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,760 breakdown and ask for help. The episode is full of examples. 9 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Amon himself is supposed to be a subordinate of his brother, the 10 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,680 King, but not really. Isn't like that's not how it's 11 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,920 playing out, right? He's kind of sees himself as an 12 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:17,680 independent ruler, but has ruled himself by powerful emotions 13 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,760 that regularly breakthrough his stoic persona. 14 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,360 Allison softens as power slips through her fingers while 15 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,840 Rainier hardens in an attempt to shore up her own, but she's 16 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,880 deeply concerned that she can't win the war. 17 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,480 She's finding new dragon riders and it's could be a challenge 18 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,600 and a risk, but the reality of losing another of her most 19 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,680 trusted leaves her alone and vulnerable. 20 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,280 She rages about Damon, but if she had any idea what kind of 21 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,520 strange and unexplainable issues he's dealing with as well, the 22 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,840 fact that his dreams might have hit a turning point, a 23 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,680 culmination. We might say, well she might 24 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,720 feel a little differently. Or she might be like, well get 25 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,960 back over here then we need you, but she might not. 26 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,560 We'll see on on top of that, we have dreams, Dragons, owls, 27 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:09,680 fish, a dog, ships of the food stuffed variety and ships of the 28 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,960 relation variety. All that more on this episode of 29 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,960 History of Westeros podcast. Hello and welcome back 30 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,160 everybody. Did I miss something? 31 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,800 Sean? Is there a lion? 32 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,520 Oh my God, I missed the lion. You know tigers are bears, but. 33 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,520 I did forget to put the lions. It's like the first thing I have 34 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,280 in the notes is that this guy brought lions. 35 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,760 Anyway, good catch, good catch. So welcome back everybody. 36 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,920 It's another review spoiler free today, as Monday's always are, 37 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,120 always make sure to catch our breakdowns of every episode. 38 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,480 If you're catching this live, the breakdown's not out yet, but 39 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,640 if you're catching it a little later, it might be. 40 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,880 It's more of a synopsis of everything where we kind of say 41 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,560 it all succinctly and as efficiently as possible. 42 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Really helps you get everything straight. 43 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,080 Before we go into this deeper dive material here, every 44 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,920 Wednesday we meet for a different type of episode. 45 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,480 This Wednesday it'll be Sean with our special guest Kim 46 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,640 Renfro talking about some cool stuff, topics we're still 47 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,480 working on in the background. We'll keep it a little secret 48 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,440 for now. And Saturdays, of course, we 49 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,200 have our preview episodes filled with spoilers and casting stuff 50 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,160 and stuff from the books, but never leaks. 51 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,360 Most recently, we had Emmett Booth last week where we talked 52 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,800 about character arcs all the way through what we expect in the 53 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,880 long run, and that was really fun. 54 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,680 And of course, on Fridays we do game streams over at 55 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,400 twitch.tv/history of Westeros. That's really fun. 56 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:36,040 We just started a new campaign playing as Renly Baratheon, Lord 57 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,960 of Storms End, as a 7 year old just after Robert Trebillian. 58 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,000 And let me tell you, Renly is a fun character to play. 59 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,400 We went ahead and married Marjorie early rather than 60 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,280 waiting for all that stuff to happen later. 61 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,640 We just went ahead and did it like when he was 10 years old, 62 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,160 got them betrothed. 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Also on the sidebar, you find 73 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,360 lots of other ways to support the show and interact with us 74 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,640 and find our other episodes, bonus content, all that good 75 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,600 stuff. Website has all that. 76 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,600 If you have questions for us, send them to 77 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,520 westeroshistory@gmail.com or if you're watching live, go ahead 78 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,960 and put them in the chat box and we may talk about it right here 79 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,680 during the episode. Let's start as we usually do, 80 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,360 our initial thoughts. Favorite performances? 81 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,400 Sean, what do you think? Good episode, Strong episode 82 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:52,280 medium. What do you think? 83 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,840 Strong for sure. I feel like I don't I didn't 84 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,680 come away with as many like hot takes, some rearing to talk 85 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,480 about. There's some episodes, but I 86 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,960 don't want that to be negative because I've said this a billion 87 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,560 times that I I am more interested in the how of things 88 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,480 than the what of things, right? I don't care as much about what 89 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,160 the resolution or how it ends is. 90 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,280 It's how we get there and these interactions, these these 91 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,520 nuances and emotional moments. There's been a motif the past 92 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,880 couple episodes of heavy breathing from Allison's. 93 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,160 I appreciate that. You know, this is maybe a little 94 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,720 nuanced to get into just as an intro thing, but I want to point 95 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,400 out there's a watching it the episode a couple times. 96 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,080 I think that they're, I think Allison is trying to connect 97 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,880 with Kristen. I don't know if it's an 98 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,000 emotional thing or concern for Aegon or what it is, but I 99 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,240 didn't notice it at first. But watching it again a couple 100 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,840 times, I saw that and I and I liked it. 101 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:46,040 That's in there and it took me a couple watches to pick up on it, 102 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:46,320 you know? Same. 103 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Yeah, I didn't catch that the first time either. 104 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,560 Who do you think? Which performances really stood 105 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,840 out to you? It's hard to say. 106 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:54,520 I, I, I'm there was, I don't think there was a featured 107 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,600 character or a a particularly outstanding performance this 108 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,360 time, which again, is not a knocking anyone. 109 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,600 It's just that everyone's doing well and it's an ensemble cast 110 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,280 and I couldn't ask for more that not being able to decide who's 111 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:07,840 best is a good problem. Yeah, it's not because everybody 112 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:09,080 sucked, it's because everybody was awesome. 113 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,640 So yeah, I hear that. What about you, Ishaya? 114 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,680 You know, I think prior to this episode, my favorite of the 115 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,440 season was episode 4, the red dragon and the gold. 116 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,360 Surprising for me because it was a battle episode. 117 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,960 I think now my favorite of the season is this one. 118 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,680 I really had nothing that I disliked in the episode and just 119 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,680 a whole lot of things that I absolutely loved, things that I 120 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,560 couldn't believe they actually went there. 121 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,760 And yeah, I'm talking about Rainier and Mazaria. 122 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,480 I'd myself and lots of fans had thought that that they could go 123 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,640 that direction since honestly since Fire and Blood, but I 124 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,120 think most of us had always thought it would only ever be 125 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,320 subtext at best. And so that was very surprising 126 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,720 to me, pleasantly surprising in a lot of ways. 127 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,120 But I also just really loved the stuff with Adam and Alan. 128 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,920 I loved the sea smoke stuff. My favorite performance might be 129 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,520 sea smoke. Like sea smoke just captured my 130 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,320 heart with like the bounding and wanting, just wanting to bond 131 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,120 with with Adam and I. I just found it really good in 132 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,640 general. I liked, but I I think if I had 133 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,760 to choose my favorite performance, I'm giving it to 134 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,520 Emma Darcy. But I actually didn't vote for 135 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,440 Emma Darcy that regularly in the previous episodes like other 136 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,320 people did. So that's maybe my first time 137 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,320 voting for them. But I just really liked their 138 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,559 pivot to like the rage in their eyes at Bartima Seltegar to the 139 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:39,960 like, you know, connection that they had with Mazaria. 140 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,559 I felt that it was a good range of acting. 141 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,039 Well said. Yeah, this one has a lot of 142 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,720 interesting, subtle themes I think that I really like. 143 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,080 There's the the Rainier and Allison going in opposite 144 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,480 directions, Damon and Eamon kind of going in opposite directions, 145 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,760 but still maintaining a lot of parallels between them. 146 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,880 There's a lot of this people being resigned, like Gwain and 147 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,200 Cole are kind of resigned to their fate. 148 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,320 A lot of folks that just are kind of going along with it. 149 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,360 They just, they have no control, no agency, despite how powerful 150 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,200 they are. This is the Dragons just kind of 151 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,400 just dominate so much that like entire strategic decisions are 152 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,240 based on where the Dragons might happen to show up. 153 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:15,120 Like the entire movement of an army is based on things like 154 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,520 that. And it just really shows just 155 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,320 how everything is about the Dragons now. 156 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Yes, yes, of course. Yeah, you're right. 157 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,120 And just the way he dominates the council is really just whoa. 158 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,080 And but I also appreciate how much this episode got into 159 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,920 bringing some fan theories to life. 160 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,840 And some of them are fan theories that aren't just like 161 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,760 wish fulfillment. Like some people might think 162 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,920 that about Rainier and Missouri, but it's not like a Shaya said 163 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,640 that theory has existed since 2018. 164 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,320 That this this because it's it's hinted at in the books. 165 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,040 It's not spelled out because the maesters aren't going to write 166 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,200 explicit gay stuff in the book. Like and they wouldn't know 167 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,640 about this anyway. Two people kissing. 168 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,760 They stopped kissing when someone opened the door. 169 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,280 How would they know, right? Like it couldn't be in there 170 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,880 unless it was explicit. And why would it be explicit? 171 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,280 Right? So but the other one is, is the 172 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,200 Darklin having Targaryen heritage? 173 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,960 That's been a theory in the in the fandom since like prior to A 174 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,000 Feast for Crows existing, let alone the first TV show. 175 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,000 So that was cool to see that. I know some people think maybe 176 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,880 it wasn't the the specific choices they made with that lore 177 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,480 might have been a little strange, but just the idea, the 178 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,920 way they settled that I loved it. 179 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,920 It was hot to see that, yeah. Hot to see that I also struggled 180 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,440 to pick a favorite performer when we did our weekly Facebook 181 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,280 poll. I I seriously picked 7 different 182 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,720 people because we do multiple choice. 183 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,240 So. So I'm reconsidering that and 184 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,640 I'm going to say my favorite acting in one scene was Matthew 185 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,160 Needham as Laurie's trying to get heart to his heart to heart 186 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,360 with Egon, which was so brilliantly ambitious and and 187 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,760 ruthless, but also real, you know, like those were real 188 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,000 emotions he was channeling into his ambition and. 189 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,720 He played it so subtly as he. Used so subtly. 190 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,160 Yeah, he was crying and just like those he was channeling, 191 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,080 like I said, proud channeling things that really happened to 192 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,560 him and but using it for his ambition and making himself 193 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:04,320 putting himself in a mentor slash leadership position over 194 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,320 the king. And it's just, it was just 195 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,080 really well done. So the Rooks rest sequence was 196 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,480 added to the intro and some black blood replaced the red 197 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,800 blood on the the tapestry there at the end, which is pretty 198 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,280 cool. It's meant to be dragon blood. 199 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,400 I'll repeat that. We have a full short scripted 200 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,880 episode being prepared. It's mostly done already. 201 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,520 We just are waiting for the final. 202 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,760 It's a couple episodes because we know there's going to be even 203 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,560 more changes. So we want to capture all the 204 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:33,000 changes and describe them all and then release that all at 205 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,560 once. The episode starts with a golden 206 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:37,760 tooth, which we will as well. Yeah, lions. 207 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,280 I mean this is really hilarious and and fitting with this 208 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,120 character. We've seen Lord Jason before. 209 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,960 He was already haughty and he's as rich as he is haughty. 210 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,280 We get the a variation on the reigns of Castamere theme and 211 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,400 we've been seeing this shot since the first trailer. 212 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,120 So we didn't know what it was. We didn't know where it was. 213 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,760 Makes sense that it was. It's not an off the beaten path 214 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,600 castle, but it isn't one of the main ones either. 215 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,280 We, we have seen the Golden tooth plenty of times. 216 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,040 Not seen, but talked about it plenty of times. 217 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,560 It's pretty important in the War of 5 Kings. 218 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,720 It's, it's a portal to the West. It's the seat of house Leopard. 219 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:18,200 And this is a castle that Rob got around because of Greywind 220 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,640 sniffing out a great a goat track, which I'm sure warging 221 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,240 had nothing to do with that whatsoever. 222 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,480 And this is really relevant, too, because if you look at the 223 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,160 Mapchet, he's got it on screen, the stretch of land between 224 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,640 River Run and the Golden Tooth where Jason is afraid to March 225 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,880 without protection. Even though he presents it as 226 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,000 arrogantly and haughtily, He's not wrong. 227 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,200 This is the same stretch of land that Jamie is afraid of the 228 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,480 Brother Without Banners and the Blackfish springing Ed Muir and 229 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Jane Westerling. So he sends, you know, he's 230 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,680 like, OK, I'm going to send a hundred men. 231 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:55,280 Double it, double it again. He double s it to twice to 400 232 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,320 and he's still worried. And we all have these theories 233 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,160 that have been around for quite a while that it's not going to 234 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,480 be enough. So it makes sense. 235 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,120 This is the same stretch of land that is it is dangerous. 236 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,360 You you fear an attack, whether it's the brotherhood of out 237 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,840 banners and the Blackfish or one or the other or Caraxes. 238 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,920 This is a a stretch of land that's wide open. 239 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,440 It doesn't have a lot of tree cover. 240 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,600 It's just fields and rivers. So it it makes sense, but also 241 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:23,120 of importance here, this is a Northern army is headed down and 242 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,920 they have free passage at the Twins now thanks to Jace's 243 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,360 alliance building, coalition building. 244 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,600 And the West isn't aware of that. 245 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,320 They might not do anything about it even if they were, but it 246 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,520 doesn't come up in their conversations. 247 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:38,600 Why would it? They don't know. 248 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,720 Just like there's a couple things the Blacks aren't aware 249 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,480 of that they're not accounting for in their strategic 250 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,920 calculations, as we'll see later. 251 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,560 So how about the audacity of this guy, right? 252 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:50,360 The Lord Leffer, just like, stares at him afterwards. 253 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:56,400 Like what the hell? Two quick points, one that 254 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,840 Northern army it's only a couple thousand soldiers. 255 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:04,040 Yes, but veterans, experienced veterans is kind of the the vibe 256 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,400 there. But still this Lannister army is 257 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,600 near 10,000. Yes, about 8000. 258 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,680 Yeah, so there might be like a little hiccup in the travel, but 259 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,240 the Northern army is not going to defeat these Lannisters. 260 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,080 Well, if they have river Lords, river Landers with them too. 261 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Right. Yeah, if other armies. 262 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,200 Themselves are right, Dragon. Shows up, Yeah, it could be. 263 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,600 It could be a conflict at least Yeah, but connected to that, 264 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:32,040 this 10,000 ish size army that Jason Lannister showing up with, 265 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,160 it's not just haughty or arrogant, it's it's borderline 266 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,640 stupid or even a pretense to think that the golden tooth is 267 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:44,160 going to feed all these. Even if they had that much extra 268 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,280 food they literally there's not enough kitchens and cooks like 269 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:48,440 it's. Like if he's. 270 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,760 Legitimately counting on the golden tooth to feed this army. 271 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,880 It is a massive failure. It is a massive failure. 272 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,920 I'm assuming he's just kind of laying down the wall and 273 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,920 asserting himself, but he has his own food in his own. 274 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,480 He's mostly talking about his officers, Probably not like 275 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,920 every single. It's like the Red Wedding, like 276 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,000 he everybody got food, but only the only the Lord sat inside, 277 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,320 you know? Regardless, the Red Wedding was 278 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,040 planned. They knew they needed to have 279 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,120 food and cooks ready to go. That's a good point. 280 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,880 I'm so rooting for Jason Lannister to just get eaten by a 281 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,560 lion because it's awful to bring these lions. 282 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,680 I'm also kind of rooting for a lion to get eaten by a dragon. 283 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,320 I don't, I don't know, I'm just expecting something to happen 284 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,440 with these lions. And I also want to point out his 285 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,600 armor here. I think it's kind of funny to me 286 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,160 that he has like kind of ABS on his armor, like rivets. 287 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,280 And he has like really extra big shoulders, which I think fits 288 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,080 with this character, like the bravado of like this Lannister 289 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,880 man. And anyways, I I appreciate 290 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,000 Jason Lannister all the more for that. 291 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,440 We compare him to Thailand Lannister, who we see often who 292 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,800 is not nearly as abrasive. Yeah, this is go figure. 293 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,400 The one with control over Casterly Rock, who was born 294 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,800 first is the haughty one, and the the one who didn't get all 295 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,640 that. The richest castle in the whole 296 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,960 continent is a little more humble. 297 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,560 Over to King's Landing, where this shot pivots. 298 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,800 Amond is very angry and he sort of repeats the same line 299 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,720 Borosparathian repeats or says when Rainier expects him to be 300 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,080 an ally and he says you know what am IA dog to be whipped to 301 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,840 heal, you know called to heal. That's what Amon says like am 302 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,360 IAA dog to be called to heal It's and he's it's the same 303 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:37,080 thing reacting to a message and this kind of sets Amon off. 304 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,880 It's kind of unclear how he would have behaved in the 305 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,640 council with without this provocation, but we have 306 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,400 multiple council scenes and he's pretty authoritative, to put it 307 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,680 mildly. Domineering doesn't really 308 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,760 listen very much. He does deign to debate the 309 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,480 Harrenhal issue a little bit with Kristen Cole, but everyone 310 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,440 else, he pretty much just ignores their concerns, talks 311 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,119 over his mother, and then of course fires her later, kind of 312 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,359 rudely. But so unlike Damon, Aegon and 313 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Raniera, who are being LED around a bit to varying degrees 314 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,520 by Alice Rivers, Laura Strong in Missouri, especially in this 315 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,400 episode, Eamond is just aggressively against anyone 316 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,359 influencing him to the point that he's not even listening or 317 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,960 taking advice. And that blinds him to how his 318 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,119 own emotions are ruling him. He's like, well, bro, you're not 319 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:30,040 exactly some calm, serene example of a, a, a wise ruler 320 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,680 here. You know, you're just kind of 321 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,880 mad and and vindictive. And your mother says the refers 322 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,760 to the indignities of your youth being on avenged. 323 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,560 And it's kind of like, yeah, that's it's probably what's 324 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,160 going on here, at least to a certain degree. 325 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,200 Yeah, I think this is probably the least I've ever liked 326 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,360 Damond. I think this is where, like, you 327 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:51,000 know, in a recent episode, we were talking about how he seems 328 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,840 like he's composed and less emotional than Damon, but likely 329 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,400 under the surface, he's just ready to explode. 330 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,840 And I kind of felt like he would keep it to himself and just do 331 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,040 it privately. So it was like a really honestly 332 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,920 off putting to see him not keep his cool in front of people that 333 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,600 he really needs to to not look this bad in front of. 334 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,680 Like these guys are important in the realm still. 335 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Like you don't really want to look awful to them. 336 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,520 Yeah, you don't, you don't want to just like get into a pride 337 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,920 spat with the Lord of Casterly Rock, 'cause that that's a very 338 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,560 proud man, as we saw there, like you, just little bit of grease 339 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,960 on these wheels here, you know, maybe find some common ground 340 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,360 rather than you're telling me what to do. 341 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,240 I'll tell you what to do. You know, that's, that's, that's 342 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,480 not, it's not going to work, you know, even if you're right. 343 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,480 I want to maybe try to give him a little bit of credit. 344 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,040 I I wonder how much what he did in this council meeting he might 345 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:48,200 have had plotted out beforehand and how much worse it could have 346 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,440 been. Because what ends up happening 347 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,200 is he sent away everyone that disagreed with him. 348 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,160 Yeah, Christy Cole put up a little argument about Herren 349 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,880 Hall or, or. No, not even about Herrenhall. 350 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,240 He tried to agree with Allison. He's like, you know what, you go 351 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,920 to Herrenhalt, take the soldiers, go to Hernholt. 352 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:04,720 He might have had that plan anyway. 353 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,480 He might have had that planned anyway. 354 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,120 But he got to make it look like you're disagreeing with me, 355 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,360 you're out of here. And he did the same thing with 356 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,600 Tyler Lannister. He didn't necessarily know that 357 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,560 Jason Lannister was going to make this demand of him, but he 358 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,400 might have been planning to send him to the Trierarchy anyway. 359 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,840 He was worried about the blockade. 360 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,960 So he gets to make it look like you disagree with me, you're out 361 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,040 of here. And I do think there's some 362 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,880 pride and emotion and ambition mixed up in all this, but he 363 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,840 didn't just straight up embarrass him or fire them. 364 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,560 He sent him off on legitimate missions but also I'd. 365 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Say he did still, I'd say he still embarrassed them. 366 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,560 Like he he, they disagreed with him and he said, OK, so we all 367 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:42,920 agree, you know what I mean? Like. 368 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,600 I guess he embarrassed them, maybe in the context of this 369 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,760 council, but on the outside they didn't get fired like Otto 370 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,280 Woody. Allison did, but yeah. 371 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:51,880 Right. Yeah. 372 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,960 Allison did. You're right, Allison did. 373 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,120 Allison did get fired, yeah, but but I I see your point somewhat 374 00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:59,520 anyway. So the Heron Hall plan is he he 375 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,560 wants to do a pincer move, have the West attack from the West 376 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,880 and him attack from the east, which that's a reason. 377 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Plan nothing wrong with that, however, I mean on the surface, 378 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,720 but there are some problems with it. 379 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,000 One is Cole says they're low on men. 380 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:15,680 It's unclear how what they're going into like Eamon says well, 381 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,880 if you give them more time it's definitely going to get worse. 382 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,440 That's true. But then there's no but it might 383 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,080 already be too late. And that's what Cole is worried 384 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,080 about. And Eamon just kind of steam 385 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,680 rolls that argument too, saying, well, I'll fight my ankle if 386 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,560 he's afraid to face me, which we know he's not afraid to face 387 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,520 him, But but Eamon thinks he is because of the blood and cheese 388 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:37,880 thing. He's like, oh, he was afraid to 389 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,640 face me because he's so he wants to assassinate me. 390 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,800 But we know that like one of the first things this season was 391 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,480 Damon trying to get Rey nice to go with him to go straight up 392 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,480 and attack Vegar. Like, let's just go do that 393 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,960 right now. So yeah, he's not afraid. 394 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,120 I wonder, by the way, because I think this is potential, at 395 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,800 least a failure of intelligence. If they had scouts out there 396 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,600 keeping track of Rivlin armies or politicking, do they know 397 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,360 that Grover Tolle is sick? They do. 398 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:06,440 They said that before, but yeah. Yeah, but. 399 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,560 And Laris might even know this stuff, but he may be scared to 400 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,800 say it because he doesn't want to get an Amon's bad side. 401 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,800 Like Amon's authoritativeness might be keeping him from 402 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,120 getting key information. True. 403 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,840 Maybe Lawrence could still just tell Kristen Cole I suppose in 404 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,960 private. Maybe he will or won't. 405 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,680 That doesn't seem like it, but I I feel like there's some 406 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,200 battlefield intelligence they should have that they don't for 407 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,000 whatever reason. And they should also know that 408 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,240 if Damon does already have them on his side, then the River 409 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,960 Lords will unite against a an invader, even if they won't 410 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,560 necessarily. It's hard to get them maybe to 411 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,000 fight for you, but they'll unite against an invader like the West 412 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,320 invading them. They're not just going to take 413 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,200 that, you know, it doesn't matter who's leading them. 414 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,200 They will fight back. It's as Alice Rivers says. 415 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,840 They'll they, they would, they, they would rather die than yield 416 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,200 an inch to each other. It's even worse to an invader, 417 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,680 right? They would rather die twice than 418 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,000 yield a millimeter. I don't know, something like 419 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,560 that. If Jason Lannister showed up 420 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,800 with the 10,000 troops and said hey, my troops are going to 421 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,240 enjoy your hospitality, I don't think they would get the 422 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,280 hospitality. Yeah, they would get a different 423 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,920 form of hospitality. They they the hospital tality. 424 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,120 So the blockade. Yeah. 425 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:17,840 He you you brought up that he wants an alliance with the 426 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,360 Triarchy. And it's a it's a good point 427 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,920 that he came to the meeting prepared for this already. 428 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,920 I mean, yeah, it's not something he probably thought of on a whim 429 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,280 during the meeting. It's it's a good point. 430 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,360 But there's warnings, Allison, Kristen, Cole and Viserys's 431 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:33,280 memory, which Allison brings up all warn against allying with 432 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,240 the Triarchy. And yeah, the, the way he's just 433 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,360 like, looms over them too, the way he, like, stands behind them 434 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,720 and leans on their seats. He's just trying to physically 435 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,360 intimidate them. This is like, yeah, it's not 436 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,040 tyrannical, but it it's in that vein where he's just trying to 437 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,080 get his decisions through, not by consensus, not through logic, 438 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,200 but by because I said so. And that's obviously a red flag 439 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,920 for a leader. He did sum up with I see we're 440 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,080 all in agreement. Yeah, clearly we're not all in 441 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,880 agreement. They were not, in fact, in 442 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,360 agreement. And he's angry the Commons 443 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,040 aren't blaming Ranira. You know, like, why aren't they 444 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,160 blaming Ranira? She's the one with the blockade, 445 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,040 which is a fairpoint, but it's just not how things work. 446 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,720 He's the Lord of the city. He's the Lord protector. 447 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,360 It's his job to feed them, no matter what factors are making 448 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:26,400 that difficult. That's that's also fair. 449 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,520 Laris and Allison kind of try to point this out, but he doesn't 450 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,840 really want to hear that either, you know, and, and Ray Lares is 451 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,160 trying to tell him like, look, the common, you know, the, the 452 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,760 enemy within is more insidious. He says that and and he doesn't 453 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,880 want to hear that. He just doesn't want to hear. 454 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,320 And that's when the the auto conversation comes up, which 455 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,840 we'll come back to in a minute. Couple other things that that 456 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,960 are relevant to the blockade Now, it stops people getting in 457 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,880 by sea. Why can't they bring it in by 458 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,000 land? Well, there's actually a fairly 459 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,400 straightforward explanation for that. 460 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,080 The veil aside, with the Blacks, they're not sending food. 461 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,720 The North is sided with the Blacks. 462 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,480 They're not sending food. The Riverlands is undeclared, 463 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,480 kind of in chaos. They have no direct incentive to 464 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,680 help, right? Why would they? 465 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,080 Just out of the goodness of their hearts? 466 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,760 What? No food is coming from the 467 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,920 Reach. But as we're told by Orwell, the 468 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,920 Reach is now fighting itself. The Beesberries have risen up 469 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,760 against their Lords, the High towers, because of the death of 470 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,600 Lord Lyman Beesbury. That happened in episode 9. 471 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,680 Kristen Cole killed the old man, right? 472 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,240 Hive rise up. This is yeah. 473 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,960 Go bees. So you can understand why 474 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,480 they're fighting against the high towers, even though they're 475 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,000 their Liege Lords like. Well, you, you killed our Lord. 476 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,960 Of course we're mad at you. So that's going to slow any food 477 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,320 shipments coming from the reach. And there's there's turmoil 478 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,280 elsewhere in the river, in the in the reach, the crown lands. 479 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,560 They're already sending food. That's been established. 480 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,800 It's just not enough, right. And it's they've been tacked 481 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,160 heavily related. The high tower and Lannister 482 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,600 fleets will be a while because they're on the other side of the 483 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,200 continent and it's a big continent and crossing around 484 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,280 Dorne is is dangerous and and difficult. 485 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,400 So they have to wait. So they have no choice on that 486 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,520 front. So that's part of why Amon just 487 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,680 decides to move with the Trierarchy because they'll be 488 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,480 quicker maybe. And there's also talk of the Red 489 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,240 Kraken, which gives us a throwback to A Song of Ice and 490 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,760 Fire slash HB OS Game of Thrones, which is Iron Rod 491 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:21,240 suggests Allison marry the Red Kraken, which is a call back to 492 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:25,640 Bailon Greyjoy as a suggested husband for Cersei and. 493 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,720 Can I also say that this is actually a deleted scene from 494 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,640 season one In the script for season one we have up, there's a 495 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,440 scene where Otto, and I think maybe even Iron War 2, but 496 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,040 definitely Otto, suggest that they marry Allison to Dalton 497 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,400 Greyjoy. But they cut it and obviously 498 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,560 they were like, no, we still want to include that suggestion. 499 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,200 Let's just put it in Season 2. Just by the way, Sean, we don't 500 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,400 know if they've changed his age, but the book version of the red 501 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,840 crack in Dalton Greyjoy is like 20 or 21 years old. 502 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,240 So like a nice, a young Lord Greyjoy. 503 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,440 Like, yeah, like, you want to marry that guy? 504 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,440 Like, I don't think so. Like he'd have to be a real 505 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,280 unique, different kind of Greyjoy to. 506 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,880 Oh, Lord Greyjoy is really that much better. 507 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,560 But yeah, I know you're right. Like Baylon's not wasn't good. 508 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,280 Yeah. So yeah. 509 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,280 And of course, the year on Cersei stuff was in the show as 510 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,440 well. And so there's, there's, I've 511 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,600 seen how that that stuff goes. There is one thing that was 512 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,480 ignored by pretty much everyone, but this is Eamon's idea here. 513 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,760 Well you know what? It just occurred to me as I was 514 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,520 going to say this maybe less of a problem than it was the fleet. 515 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,320 The blockade is backed up with the dragon Rainey's has been 516 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,200 patrolling the fleet. Reigns is gone. 517 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,080 Now, I don't know if that was part of Amon's calculation here 518 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,440 and there could be, you know, maybe Jace or someone else could 519 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,960 also be patrolling with the dragon to support the fleet. 520 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,600 But I wonder if we'll get a sea battle with Dragons involved. 521 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,240 Seems like a good role for a sea smoke to take up. 522 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,720 His name is Sea Smoke. Yeah. 523 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,280 And with the Valerian fleet and everything, yeah, it does seem 524 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,360 like a sea battle, like the whole war without a sea battle. 525 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,320 Is that really with all this talk of all these fleets, like, 526 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,480 right, That does seem kind of likely there'll be at least one 527 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080 sea battle, if not more. And you got Greyjoy's coming 528 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,800 into the four perhaps. So, yeah. 529 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,000 Now, one, what's funny, I want to point out a little funny, a 530 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,280 little bit of humor they had here. 531 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,200 When when she says out of the question to marrying Dalton 532 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,360 Greyjoy, he says, alas, that same line is repeated by Reyna 533 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,000 when when Lady Jane is like it's the dragon. 534 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,120 This dragon that's come to the veil is is formidable, large, 535 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:35,000 formidable and wild. And Reyna goes alas. 536 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,560 So it's like the same. They're like that marriage isn't 537 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,240 happening. Oh, this one maybe is, though 538 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,880 not not the Greyjoy one, the the dragon one. 539 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,480 So Allison just fired and this is Eamon has regained his 540 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,160 composure by the time this scene happens. 541 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,760 He's like mother, you know, let's talk. 542 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,240 I'm going to be really crappy to you and tell you wouldn't you 543 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,840 rather have domestic pursuits? It's like, oof, damn, that is 544 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,760 cold. That's your mom, bro. 545 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,440 Wow. And you know, she's like calls 546 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,640 him arrogant, refers to his childhood and dignities. 547 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,920 It's kind of like snipping back and forth at each other a little 548 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,120 bit there. But I think she's got more truth 549 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,240 behind her there. Think she thought that's what 550 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,800 would be effective at getting through to him in that moment. 551 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,760 She's not good at this. No, she's just not good at it. 552 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,760 Because I think if she had used some honey in her words, I think 553 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,360 she might have actually like, gotten him back a little bit. 554 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,480 Yeah, she was very harsh and her own pride was very damaged here. 555 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,200 And if she's been losing power and that's just she's fighting 556 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240 that and it's hard to hard to hard to tolerate. 557 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,520 But. But there is that moment with 558 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,760 the hand on which puts her hand on his face and it lingers for a 559 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,400 minute. He pulls her hand away, but not 560 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,040 right away. It lingers for a minute. 561 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,400 Like I do want this, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm your son, but I'm 562 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:50,480 Prince Amon, you know? But that's. 563 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,280 The one move she has? Yeah, the the hand of the face, 564 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,800 yeah. That's the thing Otto has did to 565 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,680 her when she was young. We have all these scenes of Otto 566 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,480 doing that and we see her doing it to Aegon, Helena and Aymond 567 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,400 all. Yeah, it's the it's the I'm your 568 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,160 mother. Listen to your mother. 569 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,600 You need. You need other moves. 570 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,600 Mira does it too, by the way. Well, Ramira also just hugs her 571 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,640 children though. Right, right, right. 572 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,320 But I a couple things to say here. 573 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,280 One is it, I swear there was another scene that was just like 574 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,680 this where I just don't remember who it was, but one person put 575 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,040 their hand up to someones cheek and then that person pulled the 576 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,840 hand away and I went through, I skimmed through like six or 577 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,160 eight episodes like trying to find that scene and I found 578 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,440 multiple out of 456 examples of someone putting their hand onto 579 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,840 someone's cheek, but it never got pulled away like that. 580 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,280 So I still think it exists and I haven't found it yet, but. 581 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,880 Well, folks, if you noticed it multiple times, if you know what 582 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,000 Sean's talking about, let us know. 583 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240 Yeah, that, that, yes. Please if someone else remembers 584 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,200 that moment or finally. Oh, there's a really good joke 585 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,480 from dumb That move is called the Hand of the Queen. 586 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,840 Very, very good. Good one. 587 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,160 That is what it's called, yes. I, I do want to say though, even 588 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,200 though I think Allison, I don't know, failed here, if you will, 589 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160 she didn't fail as hard as she did with with Aegon when she 590 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600 told her to do nothing. But I do think she was being 591 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,680 sincere in that moment when she looked at him and put her hand 592 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,720 on his cheek and said, you know, have you still not gotten over 593 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,720 how you were bullied when you were a kid? 594 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,480 And I, you know, I don't think it was necessarily the way to 595 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,000 convince him, but I do think she was being sincere. 596 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,000 Yes, and I do think she's probably not wrong. 597 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,560 That's a big part of it, that he is still acting out some of his 598 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,920 childhood. And I also don't know if there's 599 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,960 it was a right play. I don't know if there was a 600 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,720 thing she could have said on there. 601 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,840 Yeah, that's true. Other than maybe have kept quiet 602 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,520 in counsel. You know, like the the way she 603 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,120 might be able to stay there is to be a lickspiddle. 604 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,360 Like ironically enough that they. 605 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,600 Even though he doesn't want lickspiddles, it seems like he 606 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,240 also doesn't tolerate disagreements. 607 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,280 So like, what are you supposed to? 608 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,360 Where's the middle ground there? Like I don't want anyone just 609 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,000 agreeing with me, but I don't want anyone disagreeing with me 610 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,960 either. I wanted to point out that I 611 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,960 think the council at one point had eight people. 612 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,160 I think that when Aegon was king, yeah, he brought Damon in 613 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,000 or sorry, brought Amon in. Yeah, easy mistake to make, 614 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,680 yeah. Yeah, he had Lars and Allison 615 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,120 was still sitting there. Yeah, and. 616 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760 Kristen Cole. Kristen Cole is the Hand Iron 617 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,800 Rod in and Lannister eight? Yeah. 618 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,600 And I think now they're down to four. 619 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,560 I think it's been cut in half. And maybe even more like does 620 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,160 does Eamon just maybe kicked lorries out too? 621 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,240 Sort of. It's not clear if exactly he's 622 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,280 kicked him out or just he certainly doesn't want much to 623 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,800 do with him. I mean, he, he gave it, he made 624 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,960 it his responsibility to get Otto to. 625 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,560 Get Otto, which is like, that's not the job of a counselor, but. 626 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,640 And like, what does that entail? Like if they can't, they can't 627 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,240 get a hold of Otto. Does lorries have to leave? 628 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,360 I I don't know. Yeah, no one else complained to 629 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,600 Otto. So what's Lars? 630 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,760 Maybe Lars does it, but maybe once Otto's there, would Otto be 631 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,480 an ally to Lars or not? I don't know. 632 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,640 No. Remember, they've already had 633 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,360 their issues. Remember Otto kind of challenged 634 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,840 Lars about his some of his stuff. 635 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840 And Lars, remember, sucked up and he was like, hey, why not 636 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,800 just make me like make use of me, you know? 637 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,000 And Lara's like, well, OK, actually maybe I can, but I 638 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,640 don't know about you. It might be similarly similarly 639 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,040 tenuous as Laris and Aymond is now, where he accepts his value 640 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,760 but he doesn't like it. Because they were never on the 641 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,240 council at the same time. Like Otto was fired and then 642 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,920 Laris pointed almost immediately afterwards. 643 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,560 But let's talk about Laris, because the second council 644 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,440 session is where some of this stuff happens. 645 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,600 Laris raises. And this is now Aymond is 646 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,280 already handling things a little differently. 647 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,560 He's already starting to like sit the council seat a little 648 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,640 bit like Aegon was. He's holding the ball and 649 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040 playing with it. It's just it's like he's toying 650 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,040 with it like it's his to play with and do what he wants, 651 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,640 similar to how it was with Aegon. 652 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,400 Even though they're so very different, it's going to their 653 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,680 head in a similar way the way the powers is influencing them. 654 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,640 Solaris brings up the issue of Hand. 655 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,360 He is being a bit of a lickspittle. 656 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,160 He did say that the Prince speaks wisely. 657 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,720 You know, he was trying to suck up to him. 658 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,960 Let's be clear here. But he wasn't going too far. 659 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,080 He wasn't like overt with it. He wasn't too much, but Eamon 660 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,800 just very sensitive to this and is like you toad. 661 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,080 You know, he's like like you thought I wanted you as my hand. 662 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,720 Are you kid? Like you're so stupid, you know, 663 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680 and the looks being shot around the table. 664 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,760 As you said, there's a lot of looks being sent around this 665 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,280 whole episode. There's a lot of like knowing 666 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,680 looks. Look at iron rods kind of 667 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,320 smirking here after he. Loves this. 668 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960 He loved at first he, he didn't love it at first because he, he 669 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,920 was, he fell for it too. He's like, oh, you're being 670 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,440 named Hand. He did not like that. 671 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,640 But then the pushback and he's like, he's like snickering, you 672 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,720 know? I thought that the look he, when 673 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,400 he turned for Loris to Amon, he was like, get out of here. 674 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,080 I, I didn't think that Iron Rod was buying it. 675 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,160 I think I, I, I, in fact, I, I almost dislike this moment 676 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,720 because I feel like Loris is overstepping more than he should 677 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,360 have. I I feel like it was not as 678 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,000 shrewd as Loris has been in general. 679 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,480 Maybe not, maybe not, but it certainly was definitive that 680 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,520 Lauris has realized, okay, I have no room to grow in this 681 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,159 regime, there is no place for me here. 682 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,880 So he immediately goes back to the other today, Aegon, he's 683 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,719 like, well, I'm gonna have to make this work. 684 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,280 Is that first thing, isn't? Can I say we were giving a lot 685 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,760 of shout outs to the Lauris Aegon scene for his acting 686 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,960 there, but Matthew Needham also just very good acting here and 687 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,800 like the subtleties of like him, like trying to control his like 688 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,800 please reaction, like, Oh, wow, I did it like I've I've I've 689 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,840 climbed to the peak. I got the hand position. 690 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,600 I did it. And then Amens, you know, 691 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,480 delivery, even Mitchell delivery of your toe, like as if as if he 692 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,560 could ever be hand, you know, and then the like steely kind of 693 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,239 determination in Laurice's face there as he's like you made an 694 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,400 enemy today. Like I don't think like there's 695 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,679 any world after this where Laurice is, is like I will ally 696 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,320 with Amond like he Amond is. He's on the list now. 697 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,160 He's on the list. That's the look I got from this. 698 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,120 Yeah, I totally, totally agree. That's the face of a man who has 699 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,760 been embarrassed like this before, and anytime it happens, 700 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,560 he has things he can do to that person. 701 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,640 He's good at this sort of thing at at getting back. 702 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,720 And this is exactly what he tells Aegon. 703 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,400 You know, he's like, they'll underestimate you. 704 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,800 Case in point, Eamon just underestimated him to his face. 705 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,240 Like, no, you could really make use of this guy. 706 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:25,560 This guy has skills. Yeah, sure. 707 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,320 Because he's limping. You're going to call it like, 708 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,480 what? Because he's a little bit 709 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,280 sucking up to you like that, that you're going to throw the 710 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,320 whole spymaster out because of that? 711 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,360 Spymasters are supposed to do that sort of thing. 712 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,160 Make use of him. Definitely don't make an enemy 713 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,400 of him. That's crazy more while not on 714 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,560 not quite as on top of the diplomacy as he usually is 715 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:47,760 right. We saw him not answer Allison 716 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,400 about the succession thing and then not answer about will he 717 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,640 live? You know the king. 718 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,040 He just had some smart like dodging of questions here. 719 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,720 He just rushes in is like the king might be is doing better. 720 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,560 He might come and aim and just like, yeah, that's great news. 721 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,880 I don't know how Orwell Orwell wasn't thinking about how how 722 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,560 much how attached to power Amond is and how much he thinks he's 723 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,160 better than his brother and how like that was not the most 724 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,480 politic way to bring it up. I think Orwell realizes after he 725 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,240 walks in later and amond with Aegon. 726 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,880 I think now he would be more delicate and realize the tension 727 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,840 there and somehow he didn't. Yeah, he was just maybe just 728 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,520 honestly just a little excited about and wasn't thinking about 729 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,480 the the ramifications. By the way, what do you guys 730 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,800 think? I think that pretty clearly 731 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,320 there is a threat involved. When Eamon went to Aegon, what 732 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,800 do you remember? I I think he was threatening. 733 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,840 Let's talk about that in a SEC. I got the three visits with 734 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,160 Aegon is our next topic. And Allison, Aymond and 735 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,080 Laurie's. Yeah, let's let's hold on to the 736 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,600 question for a. Second, want to mention Orwell 737 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,840 when we get to that. Too cool. 738 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,960 So Allison's the first one who visits Aegon. 739 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,760 And this is it's almost like despite the rudeness of what 740 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,920 Aamon said and how he fired her, she really has kind of 741 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,800 immediately turned more to domestic pursuits. 742 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,960 Not that that's it's not a bad thing. 743 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,480 It's just like she no longer has the dichotomy. 744 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,960 She's no longer has to be at war with herself over whether to be 745 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,960 a queen or a mother, a war that usually the queen has won out. 746 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,480 Now she's just a mother, which isn't a small thing, but she's 747 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,240 no longer having those dueling roles. 748 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,560 She's like, yeah, like I now I can finally say I'm sorry to my 749 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,520 son and comfort him. Even though he's asleep and 750 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,840 doesn't know it. It's still a step towards doing 751 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,000 that when he's awake. And maybe it's it's better late 752 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,920 than never. It is very, very late, but it's 753 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,240 still better late than never, you know, And it's not just her. 754 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,080 Again, is, is this a generational trauma playing out? 755 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,600 Like she wasn't comforted when her mother died properly. 756 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,280 Her mother probably wasn't like this is just goes back and forth 757 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,240 back and, you know, back and back and back to the Hightower 758 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:54,320 family and a lot of these really powerful nobles that have issues 759 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,120 with intimacy and and showing concern and care in public and 760 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,520 things like that. What it's worth, I don't think 761 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,840 you need to go to medieval wealthy people for this problem. 762 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,120 You're right, you're right, you're totally right. 763 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,520 But it has been an ongoing theme with this, with this family in 764 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,920 particular and and other noble families, but a particular 765 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,000 problem with with the the Greens, I think. 766 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:19,000 So it's it's interesting to see what what kind of character is 767 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000 she going to? This is the beginning of maybe a 768 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,720 new arc for her like it is for a lot of characters. 769 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,280 Rainier is entering a new phase where she's trying to be scarier 770 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,720 and more intimidating, which is kind of dark but interesting. 771 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,880 Allison is doing kind of the opposite where she's like, well, 772 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,240 I don't have as much power. Like I literally can't affect 773 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,040 the war the way I used to. There's going to be less blood 774 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,640 on my hands, less responsibilities. 775 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,400 So this it's just a change and it's going to be interesting to 776 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,800 see where she goes from here. And other characters are also 777 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:51,360 having kind of similar resets or new arcs given changes in their 778 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,800 in their story and character. You know exactly where she goes 779 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,240 from here. The Sept. 780 00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:56,440 The. Sept if she goes to the Sept 781 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,200 that's true. She goes to the Sept one of her 782 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,000 usual places. She loves to go to church every 783 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,920 once in a while. So here's the one with aim and 784 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,120 Sean. That's the next one. 785 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,680 It's a very aggressive conversation. 786 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,680 He's he's just again, he's looming over him like that 787 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,760 proximity thing. He's a close talker and but he's 788 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,520 he's hurting him on purpose. Like he's pushing on him a 789 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,880 little bit. He knows it's going to hurt and 790 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,960 he's doing it anyway. And so your question was, does 791 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,280 does he know that? Does Aegon know what's going on, 792 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,360 or does Aegon know that Aegon knows what's going on? 793 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,240 Like what? How many know how many back? 794 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,800 How many levels of this is there? 795 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,840 I agree. I do think Aegon knows that, and 796 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,280 that's part of why he's being so aggressive. 797 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,920 He's like, you don't remember, do you? 798 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,640 Do you do remember what happened? 799 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,120 It's like bullying. Like, you're going to say the 800 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,280 thing I want you to say. You're going to keep quiet about 801 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,360 this, aren't you? Yeah. 802 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,760 He gives in the party line. Like you went after Melee's and 803 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,600 it was stupid. You're right, He's like that. 804 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,040 That's what happened. That's how you got hurt. 805 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,160 Yeah. And that part is true, but but 806 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,880 you leave it there. Yeah, yeah. 807 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,000 But but I think furthermore that when he was leaving, Amon was 808 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,960 threatening or while he's like the King's going to need a long 809 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,680 recovery. Oh, yeah, Make sure it's a long 810 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:09,840 recovery. Yeah, yes. 811 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,560 However well you think he's doing, don't tell people that. 812 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,920 Don't you know you keep him in this bed, incapacitated. 813 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,960 I'm in charge now. I think that was what was 814 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,400 implied when he talked to Orwell. 815 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,960 It's a very good take, I like that. 816 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,520 When the next time you come into council talking about how good 817 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,160 he is, don't. Don't. 818 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,640 Yeah, don't. Don't give them that hope. 819 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,280 Can we talk about the orb I really like? 820 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,160 I have a lot of thoughts on why he left that orb with him. 821 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,000 I think it's so interesting. I don't feel that Amon would 822 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,400 take the time to to get a new council orb made. 823 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,200 So my my my take on it is that he's saying the time of tedious 824 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,840 council meetings over and over is done. 825 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,760 And like it's such a stripped down crew he could just do walk 826 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,120 and talks like The West Wing you know? 827 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,000 But like regardless my point being like I I don't imagine 828 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,560 Eamon having his own orb made. If he did, I'd want it to look 829 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,760 like his blue eye under his eye patch. 830 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,520 Oh great. Idea If he did it seems kind of 831 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,920 silly and superfluous for him to do that. 832 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,920 But I I it it almost seems dumb for him to leave Aegon with like 833 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,000 this reminder of his his kingship. 834 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,960 It seems like 2 villainy like this is your monologue type 835 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,480 thing. Like this is what gives him the 836 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,040 strength to like work his way back up to become the king as he 837 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,520 is this like totem now that he can hold on to. 838 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,840 And that's what I took from it. It seems really dumb, frankly, 839 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,800 of, of Amond and vindictive. And yeah, I, I don't know. 840 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,840 I expect this. I expect this orb to come up 841 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,120 again. It's the arrogance. 842 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,560 I think that's a big part of it. He's got so much, he's dripping 843 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,920 with arrogance and self confident, unearned 844 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,760 self-confidence. And I, I do think this is a 845 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,720 symbolic of how he's going to rule from now on. 846 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,880 I think I like Sean's idea of maybe, or your idea of maybe 847 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,240 dissolving the council as a, as, as a potentially what's 848 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,440 happening here. But also it's just that he's not 849 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,920 ruling in his brother's name anymore. 850 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,960 He's ruling. It's like I, I, I was your 851 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,680 Regent, but I'm just going to do it my way. 852 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,880 He's still carrying and he's carrying black fire. 853 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,000 He's carrying the sword of Aegon the Conqueror, which I don't 854 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,160 think I pointed that out last week, but he, he's very, you 855 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,840 know, he's got it on him here when he walks out of the room. 856 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,480 He's got it with him at council. So he's just, that's his symbol 857 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,080 of rule. It's like this is Aegon's 858 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,920 symbol, Aegon the 1st and. I really like that idea, Aziz, 859 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,320 that this is him saying no, I'm not ruling in your name at all. 860 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,760 This is that's what this is mostly symbolic of, and I like 861 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,000 that a lot. Cool, I had a similar thought 862 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,560 about the orb. I didn't even notice the orb the 863 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,800 first time. I thought I was just pushing 864 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,720 into him, but then I realized they were always handing that 865 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,480 orb off to him, and maybe that was an excuse to push into him. 866 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,160 Oh, I'm giving him the orb. Oh, sorry, did I hurt you? 867 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,720 Like, maybe there's a little bit of that, but maybe also it's at 868 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:51,400 least publicly acknowledgement. Like, fine, my brother's still 869 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,920 alive. He's still the king. 870 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,960 Here, take the orb. What are you going to do with 871 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,920 him? I got the freaking sword. 872 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,960 He's ruling by Marshall means, not diplomatic. 873 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,880 We certainly have seen lots of suggestions of that. 874 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,960 The way he looms over people, the way he threatens them, 875 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,400 though. Yeah, it's just this is his, 876 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,000 this is his vibe so far. This is how power has gone to 877 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,200 his head so far. Obviously, it doesn't 878 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,120 necessarily mean it'll continue this way, but so far, that's it. 879 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,400 So Laris is the third visitor to Aegon. 880 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,320 He mentions his father blaming Alice for his twisted foot. 881 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,280 He doesn't say Alice by name, which is a member of our 882 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,280 household. Using sorcery on my foot. 883 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,400 Did you catch that, Sean? Was that? 884 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,680 Did you think of Alice when you heard that? 885 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,720 I wondered, I, I, I couldn't decide if it was him blaming 886 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,000 them or just a rumor that was out there. 887 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,440 How much he believed it, I'm not sure. 888 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,960 I'm not. We'll talk about this in the 889 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,320 context of Alice a little later. Let's stick with the scene for 890 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,400 now. So Orwell and Larry's both 891 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,720 confirmed that, yeah, your, your mobility is gone. 892 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,480 Like, your leg is, is definitely not going to heal all the way. 893 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,640 And it's just such great acting from both of them. 894 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,600 I mean, Matthew Needham takes the lead here, but Aegon's just 895 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:02,120 like, and his just how sad and broken he is and how much Laurie 896 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,320 breaks him down so much. And he's like, I need, I need 897 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,320 help. I help help. 898 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,840 You know, they told him he can't walk again or whatever, his 899 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,600 mobility can't run again. You can tell Aegon isn't himself 900 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,600 yet because his real first question should be. 901 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,400 But is it obliterated down there? 902 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,640 Like can I bang? Like that would be like, I was 903 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,880 thinking of Dennis and and Always Sunny when he's in the 904 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,680 hospital bed and he's like, you know, we'll lie. 905 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,840 We'll lie consummate again. I'm afraid it's been 906 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,000 obliterated. So yeah, it's just so good. 907 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,000 But don't lose sight of how manipulative this is. 908 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,920 Did a gun really need to hear all that right then, right at 909 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,840 this moment? Like right as he's woken up in 910 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,360 massive pain, drugged up, there's no natural urgency to 911 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,000 tell him what kind of man he's going to be going forward. 912 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,520 It doesn't have to be right this moment. 913 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,840 But But Larius is manipulating him now. 914 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,480 The part about Eamon being a threat to him, there is urgency 915 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,800 to that part, so that's fair. Like bringing that up. 916 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,320 Like, I think, you know, your brother doesn't necessarily want 917 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,400 you around anymore. And he's like, yeah, we're 918 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,200 pretty sure he does know that. And of course you know that, 919 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,320 too. He also doesn't want you around 920 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,600 anymore. So he's trying to make it about 921 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,800 Aegon. But he's like, actually, he 922 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,000 wants to get rid of me, too. I need you as much as you need 923 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,040 me, but he doesn't say that. He's like, you need me and I 924 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,320 need you, but I'm not going to tell you that. 925 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,240 Yeah. I wonder further how much this 926 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,160 has entered Allison's mind. She went to visit him. 927 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,200 I wonder if she's worried about what Amon might do. 928 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,840 Has that gone? Yeah, that's a great point. 929 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,760 She's. Certainly worried about her 930 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,840 position and power. She's worried about a lot of 931 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,520 things, right? I think there is at least a part 932 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,840 of her is legitimately worried about war and people dying and 933 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,240 other well-being of the land and stuff like that. 934 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,560 But I think she's definitely more worried about her family 935 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,680 and but I wonder if it's occurred to her 'cause she seems 936 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,800 suspicious that Amon had done something when he came back from 937 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,880 the battle and he had Aegon's knife kind of looking at him 938 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,520 suspiciously. I wonder if that is still in 939 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,000 her. That suspicion is still in her. 940 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,080 Solaris really digs his hooks in there and is like you need me. 941 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,880 I'm like you, but I've been this way longer so I can teach you 942 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:14,000 the ways of using your mind and how to handle being laughed at 943 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,000 or not taken seriously, how to you know, you're, you'll be 944 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,720 underestimated and that will be your, your strength and all 945 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,040 that. And it's just tears him down and 946 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,920 builds him back up. I like how he starts off with a 947 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,120 compliment. He's like, you're already a 948 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,640 legend. You know, you survived dragon 949 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,240 fire and then he goes in with the but you'll never run again 950 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,720 and this and that. And it's really just, it's, it's 951 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,680 just a master class in psychology, like dark, ruthless 952 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,680 psychology, breaking them down, building them back up. 953 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,720 It's it's a tale of personal tragedy. 954 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,720 He tells his story to win sympathy and then talks about 955 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:49,120 how he's gained strength from all that. 956 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,000 And you can too, if you follow my steps, you know, follow my 957 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,120 lead. It's a strong parallel to 958 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,440 Mazaria and Ranira, with also some parallels to Allison Damon. 959 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,360 Now, Missouri Rainier is a little more complicated because 960 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,880 there's genuine attraction and obviously throwing a physical 961 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,960 relationship into the mix can complicate things in ways that 962 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,960 this is does not have that level of complication. 963 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,080 However, this is more about personal ambition. 964 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,720 This is more about survival. Where the Mazaria Rainier stuff 965 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,520 to talk about separately and has a few different dynamics, but 966 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,680 there's a lot in common here, of course, between the two. 967 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,600 Anything more to add there or shall we move on? 968 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,120 We got a few super chats here it looks like. 969 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,720 I had one quick note, just that shot when Allison went to visit 970 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,120 or Aegon rather. Yeah, there was a moment when 971 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,280 she left, left the room. She was on that balcony. 972 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,840 That was one of the most beautiful shots of the whole 973 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,440 show. I just want to point out that 974 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,280 that framing. Elizabeth Ashcraft says thank 975 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,360 you guys for always keeping it. Leo or Leo real? 976 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,640 Probably real, but we're also keeping. 977 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480 It Leo like royal, like loyal, but yeah, it might be real. 978 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,600 Either way, we'll take it either way, she says. 979 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,520 Best podcast ever. Yeah, she loves it. 980 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:05,080 That's catching on. Bogsy says. 981 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,440 No, he was just delivering egg on his favorite fidget toy. 982 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,280 Oh, that's why the ball is his favorite. 983 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,400 Yeah, he does love to play with it. 984 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,600 We talked about that. He's like, you know what, 985 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,320 brother? You should have your toy. 986 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,040 You shouldn't be here in bed without your toy or fidget 987 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,320 spinner. Yeah, he's being nice. 988 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,680 He's being a good brother. Yeah. 989 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,440 That's it. Yeah. 990 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,720 Books of Merce says question for Sean primarily, but everyone, of 991 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,280 course. Is there a dragon we've seen in 992 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,680 season one or season 2 that you're eager to see more of? 993 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,040 Look forward to these every Monday. 994 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,640 Well, thank you, Books of Merce. We'll keep them coming. 995 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,920 And continue to be as insightful as we possibly can and to pay as 996 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,160 much attention as we possibly can. 997 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,440 Yeah, Sean, what do you think? What's what's your response 998 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,440 here? Maelee's. 999 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,520 You had to go there, didn't you? Yeah, I guess Moon Dancer for me 1000 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,560 cuz Moon Dancer is not in the books as much cuz they they aged 1001 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,280 up Moon Dancer a little bit. So her role starts sooner in the 1002 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,080 in the show. So she looks cool. 1003 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,760 We love the David Bowie design. I may have stolen the she's 1004 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,400 answer there by saying Moon Dancer. 1005 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,280 Yeah, you did steal my answer. My favorites when I want to see 1006 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,080 more of his Moon dancer. But I also will say I I still 1007 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,240 would like to see Helena's dragon, Dream fire and Daron's 1008 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,960 dragon. You know, Tassarian eventually 1009 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:25,520 did well and sea smoke really got high in my estimation this 1010 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,200 episode. But my favorite is Moon Dancer 1011 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,080 and I want more Moon Dancer. OK, moving on to the departure 1012 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,440 of the host from the Greens, Cole and Gwaine getting ready to 1013 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,800 depart. The scene is filled with sad 1014 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,480 music. It does not give a vibe of 1015 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:49,160 things are going well. The army just has this we got to 1016 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,880 go do follow the commands. This is we're facing all these 1017 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,280 risks. We're who knows what's going to 1018 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,480 happen. It doesn't look good. 1019 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,840 Allison looks at Kristen Cole, she he's looking back at her. 1020 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,880 That's like they don't quite know what to say. 1021 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,760 He she doesn't want to approach, but she kind of does. 1022 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,200 And she starts to approach and Gwen calls her over and he's 1023 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,240 like, she kind of looks at him and looks at Cole and kind of 1024 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,200 looks back and. And then Gwen looks at Cole and 1025 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,040 realizes what's happening. And there's a lot of looks. 1026 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,560 It's very well done. People that want to say things, 1027 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,000 but they're afraid don't know how to start the conversation. 1028 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:24,960 You know, there's a little bit of pride, a little bit of hurt, 1029 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,840 a little bit of urgency that isn't resolved because, yeah, 1030 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,840 like, he leaves and they say nothing to each other. 1031 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,800 Will they see each other anytime? 1032 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,760 So I'm not, this isn't some prediction is anytime an army 1033 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,720 leaves on campaign, they may not come back. 1034 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:39,240 And that's her perspective, right? 1035 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,320 Allison's like, I may never see this either of these men ever 1036 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,160 again. I want to say, by the way, that 1037 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,760 when they were leaving that council meeting and Allison and 1038 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,880 Kristen started to talk, they turned to each other and started 1039 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,600 to talk. And Amen was like mother a word. 1040 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,880 So they got distracted and pulls them away. 1041 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,520 And then again, it seemed like she was going out there to talk 1042 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,360 to Kristen but got distracted by talking to Gwen. 1043 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,440 Not that you didn't want to talk to him, but it seemed like she 1044 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,320 especially because, as you point out, they keep looking back. 1045 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,160 I think the scene closed with them. 1046 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,520 Look at each other again. She even gives him a little bit 1047 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,760 of a nod. And I think that's at least 1048 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,280 partly, probably some concern, some emotion, love, maybe even, 1049 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:24,120 you know, But I also wonder on some level, again, maybe I'm 1050 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,680 putting too much into this, but if she's worried about Aegon and 1051 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,520 Kristen Cole is on the Kingsguard, I wonder if she 1052 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,440 wanted to say, hey, don't let Amon do something to my son. 1053 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,960 You know, what have you done, what have you, what checks and 1054 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,480 balances have you put in place for a while campaign? 1055 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,840 Like, how are you going to still be a Lord Commander while you're 1056 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,200 on the field? Yeah, so man, Gwaine is just 1057 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,560 Freddie Fox is acting is fantastic here. 1058 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,280 He just projects the he's ejected despondent. 1059 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,240 I have no choice guy here just yeah, she's like, I'll pray to 1060 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,680 the warrior for you. And he's like, yeah, thanks, I 1061 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,080 guess, you know, like, appreciate it. 1062 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,640 You know, fine. Shout out to hair and makeup 1063 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,000 because a lot of that is honestly just the. 1064 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,720 He looks haggard. Yeah, they, they, they, they 1065 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,120 messed up his hair. He's not perfectly quaffed right 1066 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,880 here. And I, I think that that goes a 1067 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,160 long way. And you even when you look 1068 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,640 around it like the the men heading out, some of them have 1069 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,160 like bandages on their heads, like they're going off to war 1070 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,800 and they're hurt. They haven't healed from the 1071 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,320 previous campaign. It's happening so quickly. 1072 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,840 Yeah, you're right. You're right. 1073 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,160 Then that's that's that's meaningful. 1074 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,200 That's that's an important detail to consider when we're 1075 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,400 thinking Kristen was like, I lost. 1076 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,120 He said that in the council meetings, we lost a lot of men. 1077 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,800 As you know, we're depleted. So he's also marching with 1078 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:33,440 injured men. You. 1079 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,280 Just wanted to point out you know who he reminds me of is 1080 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,880 Alfie Allen who played Theme. Oh yeah, OK. 1081 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,160 I can see that a little bit. Also kind of resigned to what he 1082 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,640 had become or what, what he's faced with. 1083 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,040 In some ways. It starts off like kind of cocky 1084 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,480 and it's changed dramatically by what he sees and what's what 1085 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:51,400 happened for him. Yeah. 1086 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,840 Like, you know, he, he's seen the Dragons. 1087 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,480 He's as traumatized as Kristen Cole is and is like, we're 1088 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,720 basically helpless here. Like the Dragons are going to do 1089 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,640 what they do and we may or may not survive like. 1090 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,400 It's. Going to have very little to do 1091 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:07,880 with our actions and just a lot to do with just randomness and 1092 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,320 things that are completely out of our control. 1093 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,440 And that's not what people with who were born into powerful 1094 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,760 families with all this agency aren't used to having no control 1095 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,840 over their lives. So it's really, really well 1096 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,840 done, really well expressed here. 1097 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,400 And they also talk about their childhoods a little bit. 1098 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,800 They talk about like the duty of children and how they were 1099 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,480 separated. And she was the favorite and 1100 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,520 raised at court. And he's like, yeah, but I was 1101 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,120 raised at Old Town because I was the heir. 1102 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,320 Like, it wasn't your fault that you were raised at court and it 1103 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,120 wasn't my fault that I was raised in Old Town. 1104 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:44,720 And she says, you know, maybe court made my kids what they 1105 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,280 are, but maybe it was me. She blames herself a bit again, 1106 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,600 thinking about she's in the full mother role. 1107 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,840 She's no longer thinking about herself. 1108 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,920 Queen. She's not really that. 1109 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,920 She has the title still, but not the power. 1110 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,600 And Gwen is nice. He's like, yeah, maybe don't be 1111 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,720 too hard on yourself. Like the Red Keep. 1112 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,280 It's a bad place to raise children. 1113 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,640 You can't put put that on on yourself. 1114 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,600 Look at how it look. It isn't just your kids that 1115 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,520 turned out this way. The people who were raised the 1116 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,400 Red Keep. It's, it is a lot, a lot of 1117 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,560 parallels to the conversation Rainier has with Mazari later, 1118 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,880 where Rainier is talking about her child. 1119 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,440 Now, Damon was the one that could do what he wanted and they 1120 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,080 both had aspects of each other's personality that they were 1121 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,480 jealous of. And as Cole finally rides off, 1122 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,840 the music really kicks in and it's extra sad. 1123 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,920 And, and Olivia Cook's acting is is particularly strong as as her 1124 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,880 expression says a lot. Now Deron is discussed in the 1125 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,520 scene as well. That's an interesting character 1126 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,640 that you have yet to meet Sean, but obviously the way they're 1127 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,160 talking about him and his characteristics, it's got to be 1128 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,360 kind of important. Can I talk about this for a 1129 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,440 moment? OK, so Daron, I, I found it to 1130 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,960 be really interesting the way they characterized him as a lute 1131 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,080 player, a musician. So I went and looked and to see 1132 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,360 if anyone had predicted that in the fandom. 1133 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,160 And I did find a tweet and some Tumblr posts, some fanfics where 1134 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,200 people wrote Daron as a lute player. 1135 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,360 So shout out to some of those people for accurately predicting 1136 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,320 that. But what I want to refer to is 1137 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,240 the fact that we get a scene where we learn that Daron is a 1138 00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:10,280 musician. OK. 1139 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,920 And then the next scene, I'm going to go here to the next 1140 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,920 scene is Helena saying they this one stopped singing. 1141 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,720 Strange. I think she's predicting 1142 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,760 something to do with Daron. And I'm not saying that to do 1143 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,120 any book spoilers because Helena's prophecies are totally 1144 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:31,480 new, but that's my call because of the placement of the scene 1145 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,800 being exactly right after the Deron drop. 1146 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,080 That that's just my theory. I want to throw it out there. 1147 00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,640 Yeah, I like that. I thought about this a lot too, 1148 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,000 what she meant by that. Then I, I, I consider that 1149 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,960 because I did remember like, oh, they just talked about that Luke 1150 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,080 guy. But then I thought about other 1151 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,800 ways it might apply. One was Aegon singing a lot of 1152 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,000 times means like telling the cops what the bad guys are doing 1153 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,320 right and Amon just told Aegon, you don't remember anything 1154 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,840 right. I think that might have been 1155 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,760 part of what? Here's what I want to bring up 1156 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,800 to you guys. Aren't her statements usually 1157 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,320 prophetic and not past based? Yes, that's my take. 1158 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,800 Is that a lot of the alternative options people have given me 1159 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,880 already happened. A Sunfire an Aegon has already 1160 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,760 happened. Why would she say that about 1161 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,320 something in the past? Yeah, that's a good. 1162 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,080 That's a very good point. It's usually prophetic, not not 1163 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,080 looking back, not not usually, I think. 1164 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,800 Oh, I can't think of a single example of looking back. 1165 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,240 This also wouldn't be looking back very far 2 minutes or so. 1166 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:32,120 But it is looking back. It is, but but it, well, I'm 1167 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,080 saying it might be. It's something that's not 1168 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,360 necessarily a vision of the future, but a vision is 1169 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,280 something she's not aware of. Even if it's concurrent, if you 1170 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,120 will. She might still have visions of 1171 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,960 other things going around here. Maybe similar to how like Alice 1172 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,960 was able to project the sounds of the suffering to to Damon. 1173 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,400 That wasn't like a prophetic vision, but it was something 1174 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,320 going on somewhere else that she could detect and even transmit 1175 00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,040 to someone else. Not that Alice and Helena have 1176 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,640 the same ability. It's in the same realm maybe, 1177 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,200 but maybe. So moving on to the bar scene, I 1178 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,920 loved this scene. This is also helps set up the 1179 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,240 riot that Helena gets caught in. So we have two puns on the band 1180 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:14,920 on the group Panic at the Disco. We have Propaganda at the Bar 1181 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,920 and Riot at the Sept. So the first one, propaganda at 1182 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,440 the bar, Sylvie comes in and speaks to Deanna, who's in on 1183 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,720 it. Of course, we know that because 1184 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,800 Elinda went to visit her at the end of episode 5 and they talk 1185 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,400 loudly about the lavish feasts and dancing happening at the Red 1186 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,440 Keep to celebrate the new Prince region. 1187 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,320 Can you imagine that? If that was really happening, 1188 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,280 the feasting and amond feasting and dancing, It's like that is 1189 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,360 hard to picture in part because and that's it's, it's a complete 1190 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:50,320 lie, but it works there storytelling loudly. 1191 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,120 And they're sitting near this guy who is a talker. 1192 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,400 They know ulf is a guy who loves to talk and has a lot of 1193 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,360 friends. And so it's a pretty good guy to 1194 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,880 tell the story in front of someone that's going to go and 1195 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,560 tell lots of other people. And he's clearly the mark here. 1196 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,320 You know what I mean? Mark in the terms of like when 1197 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,800 you're conning someone because the camera focuses on him while 1198 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,920 Sylvie and Deanna are talking so you can see his reactions and 1199 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,960 his and his face tells a lot. He his reactions vary quite a 1200 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,080 bit. He shows a range of disgust with 1201 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,960 the food, upset with the discussion of the of the 1202 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,840 feasting, lovingly hearing the sounds of food and being like, 1203 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,560 oh, I would love to be eating that right now. 1204 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,680 It's, it's it's pure George R Martin, those food descriptions. 1205 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,120 I love that little nod to the books there, their reaction to 1206 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,760 the menu. A lot of different people going, 1207 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,600 oh, that sounds so good, like they're looking at their food 1208 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,480 and all the, the fish they have to eat. 1209 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,440 And yeah, it works so well. It's very well done, both the 1210 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,240 scene and the plot, the plan and that from there, it's pretty 1211 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,120 easy to plant the seed, right? You've got ulf basically says 1212 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,280 what they want to hear, like what they're building up to. 1213 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,200 They would have said it themselves if he didn't say it. 1214 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,680 Probably. He's like, Vasaris never let the 1215 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,040 city starve. And he loved to party, but he 1216 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,320 didn't, you know, he wouldn't let people go. 1217 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,080 So he was able to do both. He was able to party and kept 1218 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,160 keep people fed. Why can't these folk, Why can't 1219 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,720 these rulers do that? Sure is a shame. 1220 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,840 The air he chose isn't sitting the throne. 1221 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:23,120 Just saying, you know, just saying like, you know, So it 1222 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,760 it's great. I love the scene. 1223 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,360 They lead him on perfectly. He takes the bait. 1224 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,080 It's the the groundwork is there because, yeah, they really are 1225 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:30,600 starving. This. 1226 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,360 These greens really aren't doing a very good job here. 1227 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,800 But the blacks make it worse and exploit it. 1228 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,520 So, yeah. What did you think, Sean? 1229 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,440 Here's the thing I thought was interesting. 1230 00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,920 Sylvie seems to be propagating this in cahoots with Diana and 1231 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,920 cahoots with Missari, right? But she seemed to be a confidant 1232 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,960 of sorts to Amond, and so now she seems to be actively working 1233 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,640 against him. So how much of that is Amon was 1234 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,920 just paying her? She didn't care about him, or 1235 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,040 maybe she even is. Actively mad at him now, she 1236 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,480 tried to say, look you angry Princess, make the poor people 1237 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,280 suffer. And now all of a sudden he's in 1238 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,520 charge and to close the gates and the poor people suffering, 1239 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,120 she may actively want to be teaching him a lesson. 1240 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,400 He was rude. I agree. 1241 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,160 She was rude to or he was rude to her, Yeah. 1242 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,200 Yeah, he walked off. I don't think they've seen each 1243 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,480 other again since that time he walked off naked. 1244 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,920 And yeah, and since then he has exactly your right, Sean. 1245 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,800 He's ascended to power and things are worse. 1246 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,160 So yeah, I mean, she might be lying when she says he's 1247 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,560 throwing parties and dancing and all that, but she's not wrong in 1248 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,040 that. He's not helping the small folk, 1249 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,440 you know. Yeah, and the Royals may not be 1250 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,360 sitting around having a party of a feast, but they're also not 1251 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,920 eating thin fish soup for that. They're eating well, for sure. 1252 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,040 And them and all the soldiers and guards and dragon tamers and 1253 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,640 all the everyone in the castle. And probably even if you took 1254 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,840 all their food and gave it to the other scores of thousands of 1255 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,200 people in the city, they would hardly notice how much extra 1256 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,640 food it was. But the idea of it is still 1257 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,200 something that Amon didn't. Everyone in Ivory Towers is 1258 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,960 unaware. Like Amon even asked when when 1259 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,560 he was told, hey, the people are upset. 1260 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:12,840 He's like, so. Yeah, like. 1261 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,640 I said, well, they don't have enough food. 1262 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,960 All right, Well, maybe we'll do something about the blockade 1263 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,560 anyway. Yeah. 1264 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,760 That'll take, it'll take weeks, but you know, it'll happen 1265 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,120 eventually. Like, yeah, they need to eat now 1266 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,320 though. Like we got put off eating for 1267 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,440 very long. So yeah, you, like you said, 1268 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,880 there's the this this escalates a little more. 1269 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,000 We see we have a transition where we see Cat is outside 1270 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,560 trying to get food and there's nothing left. 1271 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:39,160 And then Alf is is standing pretty nearby and the sheep go 1272 01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,120 by the Hightower guards, the Targaryen guards with the sheep. 1273 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,680 And he's like, oh, meet for the Dragons, but none for us. 1274 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,000 So the the complaints are getting louder, getting bolder 1275 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,120 with their complaining. And then we have this other 1276 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,680 random guy on the beach that gets a food shipment and then 1277 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,000 looks up and there's like, oh, look at all those other boats 1278 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,600 with food. It's a really cool moment where 1279 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,840 I think a lot of us, especially book readers, thought this was 1280 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,440 going to be sea smoke. And Adam, you know, because of 1281 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:10,640 the way they built that up before. 1282 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,080 And that did happen later in the episode. 1283 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,200 So it was like, oh, we were right. 1284 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:15,760 It was just this wasn't the moment. 1285 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,280 It's a different beach scene. So the way it started, it was 1286 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:19,280 like, oh, is this going to be sea smoke? 1287 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:20,800 Nope. That was the food arriving, 1288 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,680 which is not a book plot. So that was that was pretty 1289 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,160 neat. I did think that it might be 1290 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,120 some kind of commando raid or something. 1291 01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,520 Oh yeah, he got the line earlier when Massaria told told Renira 1292 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,360 that the the the gift is on the way. 1293 01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:34,800 Yeah, I think just how she. Awarded it. 1294 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,680 Wait, what gift and. I can think of like the gift of 1295 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,320 the faceless man is like, wait, the gift. 1296 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:41,920 What gift are we talking about here? 1297 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,920 Yeah. It is worth noting, by the way, 1298 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,480 this isn't just boats with food on it, it's both with Targaryen 1299 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,320 flags with food or with the Black Faction flags on it. 1300 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:51,640 So. Yeah, it does. 1301 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,400 Adding to the to like if the food had just shown up everyone 1302 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,000 would have been happy, but now everyone is happy and 1303 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,720 attributing it to Rainiera. They're attributing it to 1304 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,760 Rainiera and they have the stuff to take around to, to, you know, 1305 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,400 taunt the, the Hightower Targaryens. 1306 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,400 But you know, I'm going to say I love this plot, this 1307 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,800 implementation, the I just everything about this concept 1308 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,360 about Mazaria suggesting this to Rainiera because it just jives 1309 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,440 with her actually wanting to help the small folk, all while 1310 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,120 she's getting back at the high towers. 1311 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,520 It's just a brilliant plan all around. 1312 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,560 Like I, I, I, I love it because it helps the small folk. 1313 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,840 Like everyone's starving there. Like I'm just happy to see them 1314 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,840 get food, to be honest. So like. 1315 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:40,360 And they're the name of this episode. 1316 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,800 So it's it's important that they're featured quite a bit, 1317 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,320 you know, like just random dudes like this. 1318 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,200 This guy doesn't even have a name, but, you know, he plays 1319 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,280 his role and yeah, it's pretty cool, yeah. 1320 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,320 Even if Massari is a sneaky weasel just trying to take 1321 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,000 advantage of Ranira so that she can feed the poor people and 1322 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,680 keep landing. OK, you go Massari. 1323 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,920 The one thing that bothers me here though, is that they keep 1324 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,440 it a secret from Jace and it's frankly not that secret of a 1325 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,960 like. It's like again think that you 1326 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,840 can tell your son and heir and even like. 1327 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,280 That was just to hide it from the audience to make a secret, 1328 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:14,840 but still. But I agree with you there. 1329 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,720 It was, you're right, I should give him credit for that, but I 1330 01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,320 I'm just like, I wouldn't be bothered if I was Jace too. 1331 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,240 I I will say it, it kind of bothers me in conjunction with 1332 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,760 what also seemed to be hid in front of council was this 1333 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,360 attempt to find another dragon rider. 1334 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,520 It's it multiple times Ranirez seems to have made decisions 1335 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,440 without letting the council know about it. 1336 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:35,800 Wait, wait. I don't know if I follow you on 1337 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,880 that one, because everybody the council did like some of the 1338 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,000 council knew, like Corley's clearly knew about it. 1339 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,080 And he's like bring forth. He's the one who says bring 1340 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,080 forth, bring him forth. But I don't know that they 1341 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,680 didn't know. I think Bartimus was just 1342 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,800 objecting publicly. I think he already knew, but he 1343 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,240 might not have. But definitely, definitely the. 1344 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,760 Season they knew cries. It seemed to me like they 1345 01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,000 didn't. Know they might not have, but 1346 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,800 the Seasnake definitely knew because he's the one who told 1347 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,680 Stephen Duckling to. Come in, he's the hand, he was 1348 01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,880 first one in there for the meeting and it makes a little 1349 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,520 more sense for him to know, but. So I'm not sure that the others 1350 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,560 didn't know. I think maybe Bartimus maybe did 1351 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,160 or maybe didn't. Anyway, look, we're not to that 1352 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,120 point. Let's, let's hold, let's 1353 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,000 slightly, let's back up. We're not there yet. 1354 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,760 Slight side note, one other thing that bothered me about 1355 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:17,160 this our boy Hugh, he went down a notch in my book. 1356 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:18,240 I was a little disappointed. He. 1357 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,320 Just stole that food, didn't he? Food like. 1358 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,720 Yeah, like, but we know he had money to buy food, right? 1359 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,280 His wife was standing in line to buy food or just wasn't food to 1360 01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,320 buy. So now here's all these people I 1361 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,680 used. To put yourself in his shoes, 1362 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,480 Sean, how can you blame? Him myself in his shoes. 1363 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,480 This guy just got punched. I'm putting my shoes to the guy 1364 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,400 that went and got food. That guy probably went and 1365 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,640 punched someone else and took it, you know what I mean? 1366 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,560 Like that guy might have punched someone to get that bag. 1367 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,960 That's how desperate it is. I just think it speaks to the 1368 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:51,960 sheer desperation and that even the the most half decent people 1369 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,920 will turn to just punching someone in the face because they 1370 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,280 need to feed their starving, dying, sick daughter. 1371 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,360 I, I do see the sympathy there, but I also see Sean's point, 1372 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,200 like I think there's a lot of people who would not have stolen 1373 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,640 food from somebody else. And just, that's a fair thing to 1374 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,840 reduce the guy a notch. But we all, and we also don't 1375 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,520 know that he's a good person in the 1st place. 1376 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,720 We've seen him take care of his daughter, but like villains take 1377 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,040 care of their family, you know, like this, We don't know, we 1378 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,480 don't have a great sense of this guy's character. 1379 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,880 I think he's not a villain. He's not initially a good guy 1380 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,200 either, but he's a person that's caught in the midst of an awful 1381 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,560 situation though, that's for sure. 1382 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,800 So the ride at the Sept, Helena and Allison are basically at the 1383 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,520 Sept when the food shipments start. 1384 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:39,880 Bad luck on their part. And we see the poor choices of 1385 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,880 Aegon come back to haunt his family. 1386 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,760 Because sure, some of this is just the bad rulership of Amon, 1387 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,000 but some of it started before that. 1388 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,600 We have this Queen of fishes. What a great shot of Shea has 1389 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,360 here of the fish hitting her right in the face. 1390 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,560 The queen of fishes. And we're from the behind the 1391 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,680 scenes. We're told that a former 1392 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,840 professional cricket player was assigned the job of hitting her 1393 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,800 with the fish. And Olivia Cook said. 1394 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,520 My head snapped back. That guy throws really hard. 1395 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:17,600 So yeah, the crowd is unruly, but they aren't attacking. 1396 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,320 They're just mad. It's when they pull their swords 1397 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,560 out and escalate, which that's what I mean when I say these, 1398 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,720 the, the poorly hired Kingsguard, the drinking's guard 1399 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,080 are the ones that screwed this up. 1400 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,800 You got the veteran Kingsguard, Sir Ricard Thorne, played by 1401 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:38,040 Vincent Regan, who was in Troy and 300, pretty major role in 1402 01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,160 both of those. He also quotes The Expanse. 1403 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,280 He's like, watch your flanks and your blind spots or something 1404 01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,960 like that, which is the doors and corners from The Expanse. 1405 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,440 I love that. Can we say how how this also 1406 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,360 speaks to their incompetence because they should have just 1407 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,680 stayed in the damn Sept. They might should have stayed in 1408 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,120 the Sep. That's you're not wrong. 1409 01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,160 Yeah, yeah. But. 1410 01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,920 Again, one door. One competent person in the 1411 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:01,680 group, we don't really know Richard Thorne. 1412 01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,640 We don't know how. Also, are the Commons really 1413 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,480 gonna mob the Sep, the God, like the House of the gods? 1414 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:07,760 They might think twice about that. 1415 01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,480 So you're you make a couple of good points there. 1416 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:10,760 But but they didn't think of that. 1417 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,880 Apparently that wasn't they didn't consider that option. 1418 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,360 Maybe they didn't. Maybe there is a reason why they 1419 01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,319 didn't think it was so safe. The commander of on the the old 1420 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,359 guy, the oldest commander here, he's not the Lord Commander, but 1421 01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:22,960 the guy that was in charge tells them, you know, don't pull your 1422 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,479 swords out. Keep your sword sheathed. 1423 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,479 Allison says the same thing. Don't cut that guy's arm off 1424 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,800 because if you start chopping arms off, they're going to get 1425 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,279 more violent. And there's only like 12 of us 1426 01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:35,960 and thousands of them. It's it's a classic spot where 1427 01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:39,359 panic can make you escalate the situation, but you really, 1428 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:42,640 really, really must not. You really have to. 1429 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,160 Yes, they're mad, but you have to do everything you can to keep 1430 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:49,160 them from getting any matter. And the drinking's guard does 1431 01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,200 exactly what they're not supposed to do. 1432 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,720 And one of them is killed. One of them goes down, doesn't 1433 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,439 get back up. Almost certainly that guy is 1434 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,359 dead. That was Leon Estermont. 1435 01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,200 And if you had a higher quality Kingsguard, he would have kept 1436 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,600 his head and, and known better. You know, they've, they've been 1437 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,960 outside with Royals before. They've been taught. 1438 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,600 These guys have been at on the in the job for a couple of 1439 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,920 weeks, haven't been trained, aren't good at, aren't talented 1440 01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:15,439 in the first place. Yeah, undeserved promotion gets 1441 01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,800 you killed. And by the way, not even if the 1442 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,120 whether that guy got killed or not, some other who got his arm 1443 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:26,040 chopped off and I guess maybe survives, but probably dies, 1444 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,520 right? If he doesn't bleed to death 1445 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,640 there, he's can't work anymore. He's got any medical attention 1446 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,640 in a town that's starving, right? 1447 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,319 That guy's dead right? And he's probably not the other 1448 01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:38,520 one is probably several people that got trampled Anyone those 1449 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,760 nights like even just getting smashed in the face with a 1450 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,160 gauntlet when there's no food in the city, there's no medicine. 1451 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:47,200 You're start. You know what I mean? 1452 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,720 Like these guys are just wrecking balls in the midst of 1453 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,640 these people who are starving and never mind the the morale, 1454 01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,840 the implication that the the, the, the, the, the MAR to the 1455 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,080 the prestige of the Kingsguard that comes from this afterwards 1456 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,800 that on and on. This is terrible in a million 1457 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:05,760 different. Ways, Yeah. 1458 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,280 It's a big call back to the riots in King's Landing during A 1459 01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,200 Clash of Kings and Season 2 of Game of Thrones. 1460 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,720 Starvation. Possible incitement, Vivaris, 1461 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,320 where we have definite incitement by Mazaria. 1462 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,040 Joffrey was mad that something was thrown at him, and he 1463 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,880 ordered Sandor to kill the people that did it. 1464 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,000 He sent the Hound after the crowd and that's what got them 1465 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,240 to explode as Tyrion accused Joffrey of later once they got 1466 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,680 to safety. And in that exact same scenario, 1467 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,080 exactly 1 Kingsguard was killed with his head bashed in just 1468 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,840 like this one was. And it's Preston Greenfield 1469 01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,640 instead of a guy from Greenstone, which is where Leon 1470 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,080 Estermont would be from. Their sigil is a turtle and 1471 01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,160 their castle is Greenstone. So now the major difference here 1472 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,120 is that in that in this scenario, the food is arriving 1473 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,400 rather than, you know, the there is no food and they're demanding 1474 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,120 it like bread, give us bread, king bread, you know all that. 1475 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,240 So but there there's more of chaos as the food is, there's no 1476 01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,640 distribution system for this, this food shipments. 1477 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,240 They're just every man for themselves. 1478 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,480 Wait, that's part of the plot. I just want to say that's part 1479 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:08,120 of the idea, which is why Mazaria is not just like, oh, 1480 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,400 what a good person. She's helping the small folk. 1481 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,000 It's like, no, she knows there's going to be like some violence 1482 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,200 here. Some people might be killed over 1483 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,080 this food. The chaos that she's sending 1484 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:22,360 out, she could have sent it in a way that wouldn't lead to chaos. 1485 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:25,640 Theoretically, you know what I mean, But that wouldn't service 1486 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,360 her goals. Yeah. 1487 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,280 So there is a definitely a little darkness to this. 1488 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,920 Maybe instead of cussing, there's a silver lining. 1489 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:35,120 I mean, there's a a dark lining, Valyrian steel lining. 1490 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,680 I don't. Know Allison gets a little bit 1491 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,920 of a a cut here, maybe from falling, maybe from like the 1492 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,040 spikes, maybe from people we don't actually see when she gets 1493 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,120 starts bleeding, but it's in the same spot where at where 1494 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,040 Rainiera gets slashed. Yeah, that's a nice. 1495 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:52,720 Yeah, it's a. Nice parallel. 1496 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:53,920 It is a nice parallel. Yeah. 1497 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,360 Yeah, I think it's the same arm too. 1498 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,040 Yeah, it was her left arm, I think in both cases. 1499 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:02,160 Now friends, if you are listening to this episode and 1500 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:06,480 hearing me pitch joining our Patreon, you may have also heard 1501 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,760 other ads in this episode. 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How you doing Lady Lajara Dajo? 1518 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,120 Also a super chat from Mick Floyd who says, remember last 1519 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,000 week when we spoke of Eamon's cool demeanor? 1520 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,840 The more power he gets, the more petulant he gets. 1521 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,120 The way he spoke to certain people, I was surprised. 1522 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:06,880 Great show guys. Thank you, Mick. 1523 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,640 I agree. Yeah, it's a it's a recurring 1524 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,880 theme of Game of Thrones and real life. 1525 01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,480 Power goes to people's heads, it changes them, right? 1526 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,360 I was a little surprised too. We talked about it, we knew it 1527 01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,240 was a possibility, but I was still kind of hoping that Amon 1528 01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,000 would keep it together on the public facing side and that we 1529 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,840 would he would fall apart privately, would be competent 1530 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,920 and, and not emotional like Damon. 1531 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,280 But you know, I mean, you can be emotional and competent. 1532 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:36,920 I, I misspoke, but he let people see into his facade. 1533 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,160 There is more what I meant. Fairpoint yeah, I, I see. 1534 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,320 Yeah, you would think you would want to keep that under wrap 1535 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,880 because he has for so long. So the fact that it burst forth 1536 01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,480 is meaningful. And I say real quick, as a 1537 01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:52,120 patron, another cool thing that you get is access to our notes, 1538 01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,160 right? Oh, that's true. 1539 01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,120 That's true. I think that's super awesome and 1540 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:56,680 valuable. We do have a lot of notes. 1541 01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,480 Yeah. And I want to point out another 1542 01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:01,840 cool name. I always love Gregor the Toasty 1543 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,040 of the Bread Fort I. Get to say shout out that one, 1544 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,160 one of our longest standing great names. 1545 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,520 Gonna be at the New York City City Winery event I noted. 1546 01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:12,680 So you know, you can meet the man, the myth, the legend. 1547 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,560 You could, yeah, that's right. You could meet the actual 1548 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,640 Gregor, the Toasty Lord of the Bread Fort in person. 1549 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,760 He may very well be wearing his Gregor the Toasty shirt made by 1550 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,800 San Rixian. So Bogsy says the a goons strike 1551 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:23,120 again. Yeah. 1552 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,920 That's the Joe Magician's name for them. 1553 01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,680 I love it. A goons drinking's guard. 1554 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:28,960 A lot of great names have come out for these guys. 1555 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:35,160 Larry Moen and Curly. I don't know, Leon MO and Red 1556 01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:36,720 Ned. They don't actually have the the 1557 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,440 initials. Almost a match up, but not even 1558 01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:41,800 if you use Shemp, it still doesn't work. 1559 01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,840 But Stannis Baratheon. Whoa, Stannis Baratheon is 1560 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,480 attending our stream. Impressive. 1561 01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:49,720 He's also a second son. He's big into characters like 1562 01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,080 Damon and and Eamon, 'cause he gets them, you know, he's like, 1563 01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,000 yeah, I get it. I got to be in second born. 1564 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,320 Stannis says. I don't know if you already 1565 01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,960 discussed Valerian dragon riding ability, but what do we make of 1566 01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:02,320 the fact that Aegon the 1st and his sisters were all half 1567 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,040 Valerian? Yeah, it's it's important. 1568 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,120 And it's very important historically because it helped 1569 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,520 them avoid some of the problems that the Faith has with 1570 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,560 Targaryens in their incestuous ways. 1571 01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,720 So technically, Aegon and his sisters were not quite as 1572 01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,280 incestuous, even though they were incestuous with each other. 1573 01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,400 So. It's kind of also why, even 1574 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,480 though we don't actually know explicitly when a Targaryen 1575 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:31,760 married in to the Valerians, we have to assume that it has 1576 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:38,200 happened and that thus Correlis has sent down some dragon seed 1577 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,920 blood to Adam and Allen. But we don't actually explicitly 1578 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:47,720 know that those Valerians have a Targaryen ancestor. 1579 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,880 I just think like, of course, like, I mean, as you, as this 1580 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,160 person points out, Valena Valerian married in. 1581 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,840 And we know that Damon Valerian, the first master of ships, who 1582 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,400 was killed in the Battle of Gull Town when they were trying to 1583 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,880 take the veil before Visenya came in and just destroyed all 1584 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,160 the ships that killed Damon. He was married to someone. 1585 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,400 We don't know who it was, but his his wife might have been, is 1586 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,920 actually a candidate for this invented Targaryen Princess that 1587 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,920 they put in this episode. But yeah, there's a lot of holes 1588 01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,800 in the early Valerian Targaryen family trees. 1589 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,080 And I don't mean holes like George screwed up. 1590 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,240 I just mean unknowns. Like, they're not, it's not 1591 01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,400 filled out because it just isn't, you know, for in 1592 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:37,560 particular, there's almost no women on the Targaryen pre royal 1593 01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,920 family tree, which is of course impossible. 1594 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,840 And if it isn't, and if it's somehow just randomly there were 1595 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:48,480 very few women, then that means there were lots of brides from 1596 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:51,480 other houses that aren't accounted for either. 1597 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:56,040 So yeah, there's definitely more mystery there, but usually we 1598 01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,800 can get at the answer. So I think we're actually going 1599 01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,080 to talk about that separately at some point. 1600 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,920 I think I'm setting aside some time after the season to talk 1601 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,320 about all these, the impact of dragon lore, the Targaryen 1602 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,400 family tree, maybe a little of the Valerian family tree as 1603 01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,080 well. Some some suggestions, some 1604 01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,000 changes, just things of that nature. 1605 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,840 Haven't come up with a title for that yet, but that's the vibe of 1606 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,040 that episode whenever it comes out. 1607 01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,280 Something we'll do not long after the season. 1608 01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,440 Let's talk about the veil. Joffrey and Reyna have a little 1609 01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:23,800 conversation. Reyna's being a mom sort of 1610 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,000 saying, look, we got to do our part, you know, I know we're not 1611 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,640 happy to be here, but our roles are important, even if they feel 1612 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:30,640 small. Yeah. 1613 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,720 So it's like it's it's more older sister than mom vibe. 1614 01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:35,920 But that's basically what she is. 1615 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:41,520 She is older sister, basically. And Joffrey says he misses his 1616 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,240 mother. And yeah, it's, it's a little 1617 01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,360 little heart sick, a little sad. But then they come across this 1618 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,120 huge scorched area with burned sheep. 1619 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,960 And it's a little bit like the burned mill where they zoom out 1620 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,720 slowly and you see just how big this scorched area is. 1621 01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,800 And it's like, whoa, that is pretty big. 1622 01:17:58,440 --> 01:18:04,200 And we cut to the Princess and the tower vibes where Reyna is 1623 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,120 sitting there in her dress that's all flowing around her 1624 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,440 like a rose, like a bud of a flower and holding a dragon 1625 01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:16,360 figurine. And she talks to Lady Jane and 1626 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:20,080 says, my lady, you misled me. I love the way she brings this 1627 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,920 up. And she's like, I did what? 1628 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,360 Like there is a large dragon in in the veil. 1629 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,640 She's like, yeah, large, formidable, but wild. 1630 01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,240 Alas. You know, what's your reaction 1631 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,880 to a dragon being in the Veil? This isn't expected, is it? 1632 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:39,080 No, it makes me I'm sort of assuming this is a different 1633 01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,840 dragon than all the other Dragons that have been 1634 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,600 referenced. I I don't know how far the 1635 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,520 Dragons range. The veil seems pretty far from 1636 01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:51,200 from Dragonstone and it's I don't know if those other 1637 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,840 Dragons that had riders that don't, if those would still be 1638 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,000 called wild. I did suppose that she that 1639 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,880 Raina was going to ride sea smoke. 1640 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,680 I felt I've seen remember there was a scene where we saw sea 1641 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,960 smoke flying around. I think Massaria said that, you 1642 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,440 know, he seems lonely. And then they cut to Raina, and 1643 01:19:06,440 --> 01:19:08,120 that made me think. Oh, she's going to ride Sea 1644 01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,360 Smoke? And now it seems like Adam's 1645 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,560 going to ride some sea smoke so. But maybe Rayna is going to ride 1646 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,560 a dragon, just not sea smoke. Maybe whatever dragon this is. 1647 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,200 Yeah, because all of a sudden she's not here. 1648 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,640 There's only one I don't. Know Oh yeah, there could be 1649 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,160 more. If it's possible there's more 1650 01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,320 than one or how where Lady Jane or whoever would be of that or 1651 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,880 they would have been to it, I'm not sure but. 1652 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,640 Yeah, good takes. Good takes. 1653 01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,120 So yeah, she is told that Prince Reggio, who she's already lived 1654 01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,720 with in season one when Damon and Lena lived there, are going 1655 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,520 to receive them on a ship called The Gay Abandoned. 1656 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,840 That's the same name of the ship in the books with six good men. 1657 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,920 Why wasn't it 20 good men? Come on, she said, I'll send six 1658 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:48,920 good men. I was like, come on, you could 1659 01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,960 have just said 20. I'm just kidding. 1660 01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:54,560 But yeah. So it seems like the vibe is 1661 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,080 that Rayner was is ready to leave, but now maybe not so 1662 01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,720 much. She's like, maybe I don't want 1663 01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,960 to leave now. We also get a shot of Aegon and 1664 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:03,400 Viserys and the hatchling Storm cloud. 1665 01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,800 Little hatchling there, little little baby dragon. 1666 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,440 That was nice. Let's head over to Dragonstone. 1667 01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:11,400 You're not wrong, Sean. The Veil isn't close to 1668 01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,400 Dragonstone, but it's not super far either. 1669 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,760 The Veil is large and the Erie is sort of in the southern 1670 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:18,960 portion. It's like the maybe it's like 30 1671 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:24,440 to 40% of the way into the Veil. So it's not that far. 1672 01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,040 There's we do have examples of Dragons ranging farther, let's 1673 01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,320 put it that way. That said, this is not a book 1674 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,400 plot. So but we do have Dragons 1675 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,160 ranging farther in the book. So in different cases, not 1676 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,640 necessarily even this timeline, but you know, in throughout the 1677 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,480 history of Dragons. So Dragonstone we have the black 1678 01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:44,800 council. Coralie stands alone at the 1679 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,640 table at first a symbol of how he feels. 1680 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,400 He's alone now. His wife is gone. 1681 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:49,920 He's lost a lot of his family really. 1682 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,920 Obviously Rain E is the one that hurt him the most and is the 1683 01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,320 most recent by far. His son and daughter both died 1684 01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,080 quite a while ago. Obviously that's not going to 1685 01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,040 fade. He's going to miss his children 1686 01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,560 forever. But as we'll discuss shortly, 1687 01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,440 his family is bigger than it first seemed. 1688 01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:11,360 He has two more sons that he hasn't had a relationship with, 1689 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,320 or much of one, but that seems to be changing and we'll come 1690 01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,040 back to that shortly. Rainier orders the retaking of 1691 01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,320 Rook's Rest by Lord Mouton. Lord Moot was one of the four 1692 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,960 Lords who led the charge in calling out Damon to his face in 1693 01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,800 episode 5. So this is a little interesting 1694 01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,880 that guy is following Rainier's orders but not Damon's because 1695 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,200 he followed her order here. I guess maybe maybe he isn't 1696 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:34,920 going to reject the order because Rainier isn't says he's 1697 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,040 following my order. She says I ordered him to do 1698 01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:37,920 this. There's no evidence that 1699 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,360 actually happened or he's obeying it. 1700 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,240 Still, it's a little interesting to see that this one Lord is 1701 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,880 part of is like a little bit of a connecting tissue to both 1702 01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:50,720 Damon and Rainiera. Now Maiden Pool is on the coast, 1703 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,400 it's closer to the Crown lands than it is to most of the 1704 01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:54,840 Riverlands, even though it's considered part of the 1705 01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,080 Riverlands. So she could very well, or 1706 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,920 rather Lord Mouton could very well fear the blockade coming to 1707 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,760 affect him as well. It wouldn't be much for them to 1708 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,840 send a couple of warships over in Blockade Maiden Pool. 1709 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,000 It would only take like two or three warships and that maybe 1710 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:09,960 only one to shut them down entirely. 1711 01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,800 So he's got reason to make sure to do what Rainier wants. 1712 01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,560 Whereas the other River Lords, Rainier can't easily threaten 1713 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,080 them. Damon can, but they're united 1714 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,480 against him. So they're presenting a united 1715 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:23,960 front there. So it's it's a little different. 1716 01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,400 The scenario there. The Lord Carly's calls for 1717 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,280 Stephen Darkland about the plan to find new dragon riders and 1718 01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:31,680 he's doesn't know what's going on. 1719 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,760 He's like, I don't know why you're asking me all these 1720 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,280 questions, you know, like, well, your your family. 1721 01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,160 You don't have any more. Like, what what is this to do 1722 01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:39,480 with me? You know? 1723 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,880 And then she tells him and he's like, oh, he's all for it. 1724 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,760 He's he is humbled and honored by it. 1725 01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,680 But he's like, yes, he doesn't hesitate. 1726 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,240 He's like, yeah, I want to ride a dragon, you know, that's, 1727 01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:50,480 that's great. That's awesome. 1728 01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:52,840 This is a brave man given something that he would have 1729 01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,600 never even like, literally never have dreamt of other than like, 1730 01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,360 knowing that it's a fantasy. But this doesn't seem like the 1731 01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,680 kind of guy who's prone to fantasy. 1732 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,680 Kingsguard Knights don't really have that type of personality. 1733 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,720 Generally. They're a little more 1734 01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,160 straightforward in one of the times. 1735 01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:08,640 I don't know about y'all, but I didn't expect, well, I mean, 1736 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,080 well, Sean didn't know necessarily to expect this 1737 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,760 period, I guess. But as book readers, we knew 1738 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,440 that this was going to happen. I didn't expect to be so like 1739 01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:21,480 sick to my stomach over over this, this man who is kind of 1740 01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:24,040 sacrificing himself for something that is hopeless 1741 01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,360 really. And then also I was, I was both 1742 01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,400 laughing and sick to my stomach because it was such a comical 1743 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,080 idea. Like you just look at this and 1744 01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,560 like the very idea like this is this is you shouldn't even be 1745 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:35,960 trying this. This is hopeless. 1746 01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,800 You know what I mean? I, I thought it was really well 1747 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,560 executed by the writers, directors, whatever the framing 1748 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:48,400 of all of it to just kind of add this level of of sad, sad humor 1749 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,280 to it. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. 1750 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,280 I thought there was a chance it might work out, especially the 1751 01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,280 way sea smoke, you know, lowered seemed, seemed to be 1752 01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,840 cooperating. Yeah, let's go get a good little 1753 01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:04,160 fake out there. Yeah, I and it seemed to be 1754 01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,240 something they were setting up. It seems right now it seems like 1755 01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:12,040 the blacks are almost hopeless to win this war and to keep the 1756 01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,760 show interesting and have another season. 1757 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,720 Something got to balance it out. All right if they get a couple 1758 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,240 more Dragons out of all right, this I you know I I legit 1759 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:24,240 thought this might happen here, but I I also thought maybe it 1760 01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,080 happened and we just didn't see it on screen, but I hope they 1761 01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,240 prepped him a little bit. Did they give him any kind of 1762 01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,520 coaching on like this is where you grab the sound. 1763 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,000 I don't think they. Prepped him enough because they 1764 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,160 should have. They would have given him and 1765 01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,000 told him when he burns you kill yourself. 1766 01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:39,080 They clearly didn't prepare him. Enough. 1767 01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,200 I don't know if that's the kind of advice they would want to 1768 01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,200 give, but I think he clearly was prepared somewhat because he 1769 01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:46,920 knew some of the Valyrian commands. 1770 01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,840 He said Doheras sea smoke, so there was clearly some prepping 1771 01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:50,760 there. I just don't think they would 1772 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,640 have needed to show us that. Princess Ariana Targaryen has 1773 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,360 mentioned. This is one we'll talk about in 1774 01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,560 more detail later. Not a book character, but 1775 01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:01,760 there's been a theory since the early days of westeros.org, way 1776 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:05,720 before the World of Ice and Fire or Fire and Blood or HB OS Game 1777 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,760 of Thrones of course, that the Dark Ones and Targaryens had a 1778 01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,640 common ancestor. Because in the book Stephen 1779 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,120 Darkland is the first one to try. 1780 01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,560 Also now. But why would they try a guy 1781 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,920 that doesn't have Targaryen blood as their first writer in 1782 01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,120 the book? It's the same scenario here they 1783 01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,360 specifically said let's find people with Targaryen blood and 1784 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,000 see if they can ride Dragons. So the book was also implying, 1785 01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,000 not even implying, just telling us indirectly that Stephen 1786 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,520 Darkland has Targaryen blood somewhere in his history. 1787 01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,520 But there's no one in the Targaryen family tree you can 1788 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,840 assign this to. So they had to invent a 1789 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,080 character because the book does not give us an option, even 1790 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,520 though the book is pretty explicit to Stephen Darkland 1791 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,200 pretty much had to have Targaryen blood. 1792 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,000 Not only that, this has been, like I said, it's been a theory 1793 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,680 for so long that the Targaryens and Darklands had a connection 1794 01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,120 even prior to fire and blood, like I said. 1795 01:25:55,120 --> 01:26:00,440 So I was very pleased that they used old like A Song of Ice and 1796 01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:03,840 Fire fandom lore, like almost it's almost folklore that that 1797 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,960 this theory existed and they they managed to squeeze it in 1798 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,760 here because it makes sense to so that that was really good. 1799 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,000 Yeah, some people didn't like some parts of it. 1800 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:12,680 Like as he said, we'll talk about it later. 1801 01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,800 I think really it works fine except for the Princess aspect, 1802 01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,800 which is kind of tricky. But even there I can I can 1803 01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:24,600 choose to say that for me my explanation is just Rainiera is 1804 01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,160 just like to her, all Targaryens are princesses. 1805 01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,520 Yeah, she may be mistaking the fact that this, if this person 1806 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,200 was born before the Conquest, they wouldn't be a Princess. 1807 01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:35,720 But Rainiera might not be thinking that way. 1808 01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,600 She's like, I just calls them Princess as a as an honorific. 1809 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,360 The the book, the scroll she read may not have referred to 1810 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,480 Princess Ariana Targaryen. She may have just seen Ariana 1811 01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:45,840 Targaryen and just assume she's a Princess because in her mind, 1812 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,520 all Targaryens were princesses that were women. 1813 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,560 But but it's not true because pre Conquest they wouldn't have 1814 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:51,080 been. Yeah. 1815 01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,040 So that's for my sake. Like what? 1816 01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:54,880 I'm choosing to reliable narrator, Yeah. 1817 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,400 Like is that you can go with whatever explanation you want, 1818 01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,440 but I don't think that it's a like a huge flaw or anything 1819 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,600 like some people have maybe criticized it. 1820 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,400 I think it's it's solid. I think it's solid. 1821 01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,600 Yeah, so again, the book does not give an explanation for why 1822 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,520 first F on was first. So the show is kind of left 1823 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,280 like, well, we got to make something up here. 1824 01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,160 So I I'm totally cool with that. But like I but like I say, I 1825 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,600 said, we'll, we'll get into more detail with that because it's a 1826 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,840 big discussion about how this could affect the family tree. 1827 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,560 And there's other good theories, but we don't get bogged down on 1828 01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:28,640 one great one grandmother's grandmother that was made-up for 1829 01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,240 the scene. This this leads us to more of 1830 01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,320 the rule by fear concept. Now, this is part of why Sir 1831 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,560 Stefan was first also, not just because of his blood, but 1832 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,080 because she he's an existing person that she knows she can 1833 01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,920 trust. You're just going to give a 1834 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:45,080 nuclear bomber, a nuclear bomb plane or a nuclear delivery 1835 01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,000 system to some random? Well, you might, but there's an 1836 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,400 obviously bad reasons to do that. 1837 01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,560 So of course, the Lord Commander for Kingsguard would have been 1838 01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,800 interesting to have a dragon rider as your Lord Commander, 1839 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:55,760 your Kingsguard. But that was the point. 1840 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,280 Someone that has been in the trenches with her, the guy that 1841 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,440 snuck into King's Landing with her, this guy has been loyal, 1842 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:04,920 loyal, loyal for a long time. So like, if anyone's going to 1843 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,400 stay loyal after being giving this power, it's him. 1844 01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,720 I mean, that's the reason. That's the thinking anyway. 1845 01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,120 Obviously, who knows what really would have happened if he had 1846 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,320 survived. But, yeah, so Lord Seltegar 1847 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,240 objected to the plan initially. And then he kind of rubs it in 1848 01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,760 Ranier's face afterwards. Like, I kind of, I told you, you 1849 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,880 know, I told you it was predictable. 1850 01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,080 And she slaps him. So he rubs it in her face. 1851 01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:31,040 She rubs it in his face, you know, and and she says, I it is 1852 01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,800 my fault. I think that you've forgotten to 1853 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,960 fear me. And this is a big vibe for her 1854 01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,320 this episode. Like, people just do not take 1855 01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,960 her seriously enough. She's sick of it. 1856 01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,720 And like, yeah, you would not have followed Damon saying these 1857 01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:44,960 kind of things. You probably wouldn't have 1858 01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,600 followed. You definitely wouldn't have 1859 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:47,760 followed Amon saying these things. 1860 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,360 That guy seems kind of scary to do that. 1861 01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:55,840 I think it's just makeup that makes her look so like, upset 1862 01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,640 here. Do you think like Emma Darcy, 1863 01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,240 they like had a solid session where they just like actually 1864 01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,080 cried for a while because it looks so good? 1865 01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,160 They're mad. Yeah, right. 1866 01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:07,280 Yeah. I don't know. 1867 01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,040 That's a good point. I didn't think of think of 1868 01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,840 makeup as adding to this, but. It's definitely makeup, but I 1869 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,120 also wonder somehow if if they just took a minute and just like 1870 01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,480 let themselves get really worked up and red faced and then cried 1871 01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:21,000 a little and I don't know, 'cause like the, the way their 1872 01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,120 eyes look here, it's just, it's so good and it's, it's just, 1873 01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,240 it's, it's so effective. Yeah, yeah. 1874 01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,040 Like Bartimus was like, he shrank, you know? 1875 01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,520 He's like, whoa, I didn't see that coming. 1876 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:40,600 We've seen Mira BI don't know. In my opinion, a a champion 1877 01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:45,200 actor throughout, you know, I I've pick them as my favorite 1878 01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,960 multiple times for an episode so I can give it all to acting and 1879 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,160 no makeup, but not that I don't think makeup could be involved, 1880 01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,480 but I think an actor could do it. 1881 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,640 Yep, Yep, I agree. So either way, fantastic moment. 1882 01:29:58,440 --> 01:30:01,000 Real quick too, you alluded to it a little bit, but this that 1883 01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,800 that moment of, you know, it's my fault. 1884 01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,760 You're not afraid of me. And later on, she picks up that 1885 01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,880 sword, but she puts it back down. 1886 01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,400 And even when Missara kind of compliments her even, but she's 1887 01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,560 like, she's like she's conflicted about that direction 1888 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,960 that she's going. I agree and the way look what 1889 01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:18,960 she has on the screen now this is a really clever framing. 1890 01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:20,760 You can't see where the sword is pointed. 1891 01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,880 Like it's like, as if it's pointed at the unseen enemy. 1892 01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,880 Like she's, she doesn't know who she's fighting against. 1893 01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,800 She's like there's, she's got enemies everywhere, but she 1894 01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,600 can't necessarily identify who they all are. 1895 01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,800 It didn't occur to me until just now, but it's almost maybe a 1896 01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,320 theme or motif of this episode is identity. 1897 01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,600 A lot of different characters have made big transitions in 1898 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,360 what their roles and responsibilities, expectations, 1899 01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,880 or whatever are. Amon has been moved up to more 1900 01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:51,240 definitively King Aegon has been removed, Allison removed more of 1901 01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:54,240 motherly role. She seems to be shifting gears 1902 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:58,960 into the same sort of Marshall leader that Aymond is making 1903 01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,920 himself into. Yeah, I could probably go on 1904 01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:02,360 with it more if I think about it, but. 1905 01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,880 You're right, it's all over. I'm glad you made me think of it 1906 01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,160 soon. Yeah, Lares as well, Mazaria as 1907 01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:09,200 well. Yeah, a lot of people, their 1908 01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:10,560 roles are changing. You're totally right. 1909 01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,120 Stefan Darklin. Yes, Yeah, right. 1910 01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:16,680 Rainier says the symbols of authority are not jewels and 1911 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,480 gowns, but the shield and the sword. 1912 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:20,200 It's a great line, but it's also kind of ominous. 1913 01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,760 Like, well, yeah. Rainier is is deciding here. 1914 01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,520 We're watching her transition to someone that is going to use a 1915 01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,160 little more fear and maybe violence, maybe a lot more to 1916 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,000 establish her, her authority because it's not working. 1917 01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,640 People keep disobeying her and going behind her back and 1918 01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,440 talking back to her and speaking to her in ways that you would 1919 01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:41,640 not normally speak to someone that you have a lot of respect 1920 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:46,240 for. And who knows whether how that 1921 01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,560 will go. But Missouri is part of enabling 1922 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:52,360 that because Missouri is someone that can give her more tools to 1923 01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,800 be more authoritative and more scary and more someone that you 1924 01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,800 should fear. Plus, you know, gaining a lover 1925 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:01,400 in the process. But we're not quite there yet. 1926 01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:03,320 Yeah. So Rainier is going the other 1927 01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,680 way of Allison being more queen and less mother. 1928 01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,800 We're trying to become more powerful rather than losing 1929 01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,280 power as well. Referring to what you said, 1930 01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:11,880 Sean, the, the sword becomes her. 1931 01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,680 That's more of a sign of Azari's influence too, telling her, yes, 1932 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:20,840 the sword becomes you wielding the sword symbolically using 1933 01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,800 violence, using fear becomes you, you know, just you need to 1934 01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:27,000 do this. And she's basically a connection 1935 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,760 to the dark side powers that can be used for good but can easily 1936 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,240 corrupt you. You know, it's, it's, it's a, 1937 01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,200 there's a fine line between using violence for good and 1938 01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:40,880 using it for, well, not good. But especially in a fight for 1939 01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,920 survival, which she's in, she's already doing things she 1940 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,760 wouldn't do, like putting people on Dragons that maybe don't 1941 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:51,520 belong on Dragons, just widening her ethical range of what's 1942 01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,320 allowable. And now, so you combine those 1943 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,840 two things like, well, give me more tools to inflict more 1944 01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,440 damage on my enemies and I'm going to fight for survival. 1945 01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:01,880 I'm going to have to use those things that she didn't have 1946 01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,760 before. You know, it is a good choice of 1947 01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,280 words. They've done this a couple other 1948 01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,720 times. Like it comes to mind when when 1949 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,560 Kristen Cole was angry about what had happened with blood and 1950 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:17,280 Cheese and it kind of took it out on Ark ark and and sent him 1951 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,680 on his mission. And Ark's like, are you mad? 1952 01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,240 And he meant mad like insane, but he was mad like angry. 1953 01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,040 She's saying the sword becomes you. 1954 01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,920 She could have said the sword suits you, but she said becomes 1955 01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,040 you because it means you become the sword. 1956 01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,960 Like you're becoming a weapon of violence, an instrument of 1957 01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,520 violence. Like it's not not that it just 1958 01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:38,840 looks good on you, but you are going to become dangerous. 1959 01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:43,160 Yes, yes, well said. So if we focus on those two 1960 01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:44,680 specifically, it's quite a development. 1961 01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,480 They're budding relationship here. 1962 01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:50,080 As a Shaya said at the beginning, it's not spelled out 1963 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,200 directly in the books, but it's been, it was definitely 1964 01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,600 suggested a number of ways and a lot of people picked up on that 1965 01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,560 and we're we're hoping for it or predicted possibility. 1966 01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,240 Definitely a lot of people were surprised by it, but a lot of 1967 01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,720 people just didn't catch that. But they'll, they are currently 1968 01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,400 being pointed to that evidence and a lot of people are out 1969 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,520 there going, Oh yeah, this was a little bit set up in the books, 1970 01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,040 wasn't it? Yeah, exactly. 1971 01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,280 I think a lot of people were like, I don't know what you're 1972 01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,800 talking about in Fire and Blood, but I think if you looked at the 1973 01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,960 fandom, it's like there are posts, there are lots and lots 1974 01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,040 of posts of people theorizing this. 1975 01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:24,520 Just because you weren't keyed into it doesn't mean that there 1976 01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,040 isn't a strong implication. Both. 1977 01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,000 I mean, and that's true for other characters with Rainiera 1978 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,440 as well. There was also a strong 1979 01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:35,280 implication of Rainiera and Lena Valerian in the book, which they 1980 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,520 didn't adapt in the show. Right. 1981 01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,280 And whether it was true in Canon, in the book, who who 1982 01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,920 knows, honestly. But regardless, the idea of a 1983 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:49,360 queer Rainiera has long existed and even in the show we've seen 1984 01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:53,520 like one, her dynamic with Allison, which is obviously like 1985 01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:58,560 the cornerstone of the show is that that intimate relationship 1986 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:04,640 that the two of them have that went awry. 1 And two, we see so 1987 01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,800 much of Rainier grappling with gender even in this episode, 1988 01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,880 saying if she'd been born a man, if she'd been Damon, things like 1989 01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,680 with her when she went out and pretended to be a boy, she was 1990 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,920 so tickled by being thought of as a boy. 1991 01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:23,000 She definitely plays a bit with with gender and is a Cersei type 1992 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,520 where so there's there's lots of readings where people see 1993 01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,080 Rainier as very queer. Absolutely. 1994 01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:30,720 George just did not do that by accident. 1995 01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:34,640 No chance whatsoever. This is a major parallel to Lars 1996 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,560 Nagon as well, as I've mentioned a few times. 1997 01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:41,440 And Damon and Alice will discuss a person with spy capabilities. 1998 01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:43,960 Master Whispers in two cases. Alice isn't quite that, but she 1999 01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:48,840 has a lot of those skills that are somewhat manipulating the 2000 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,120 person above them, but also just building a relationship with 2001 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:52,880 them. It's not full blown 2002 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,720 manipulation. There's it's it's a range of 2003 01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:56,720 possibilities and and different things happening all at once. 2004 01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,680 It's not super straightforward, but the parallelism. 2005 01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,560 Is a maester of Whispers. Maester of Whispers Hey, I like 2006 01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,480 it so. Missouri has respect for 2007 01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:08,080 Rainiera and and attraction as well. 2008 01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,560 But she also has ambitious or ambitions and has debts of her 2009 01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,440 own to pay. She said very clearly to Rainier 2010 01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:17,640 that she wants to get the Hightowers back and well, will 2011 01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:22,040 Rainier as goals as Queen and Mazari as goals at getting 2012 01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,480 revenge in the Hightowers, They, those may not always align. 2013 01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,200 We'll see. Maybe they will because that is 2014 01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,160 a fairly common goal. Damon is a thing they have in 2015 01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:33,880 common as well in a similar way. They've both had experience with 2016 01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:35,920 him in a relationship. They've experienced similar 2017 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,120 mistreatment from him. So Mazari is very uniquely 2018 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,720 positioned to commiserate with Rainier in that regard. 2019 01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,400 Like there's nobody else that she could talk to about. 2020 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,760 Like, who else do I know that's had a relationship with Damon? 2021 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,160 She's the only 1. So it's a very unique role that 2022 01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,880 she can talk to about a person they've both been in a 2023 01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,600 relationship with. That's just, there's no one else 2024 01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,400 that's even close to that. So in addition to the 2025 01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,400 attraction, power dynamics, loneliness that Rainier is 2026 01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,120 feeling, her husband's not around, you know, and the fear, 2027 01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,760 she says I'm afraid of losing my afraid I can't win this war, I'm 2028 01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,360 afraid I can't win, etcetera. There's also a bit of an F you 2029 01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,480 to Damon here of them hooking up. 2030 01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:18,200 Like, screw you, Damon. So there's that. 2031 01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,760 What would he do if he knew his wife and former partner hooked 2032 01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,120 up? I honestly have no idea. 2033 01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,680 I'm not saying he would be mad. I'm not saying he would be 2034 01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:26,400 happy. He had no idea, really. 2035 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,360 Especially now, because as we'll discuss shortly, Damon has hit a 2036 01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,040 major turning point in his dream slash character growth arc. 2037 01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:35,400 He might react to it differently now than he would have a few 2038 01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,560 episodes ago, but who knows when he'll actually find out if he'll 2039 01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,920 find out. I speak to something we we 2040 01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,560 touched on recently, which was when Sean brought up the idea of 2041 01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:47,360 the duck versus goose comment, you know, and queer and whether 2042 01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:50,360 that referenced queerness, you know, in the context of Damon. 2043 01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:54,480 Well, there was a scene in season one that was cut and you 2044 01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:57,080 see it in some shots or little glimpses of it. 2045 01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,440 If anyone really wants the source, you can message me and 2046 01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:01,360 get it. But regardless, there was scenes 2047 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:05,040 of Damon kind of being very touchy and flirty and having 2048 01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,880 like a guy on his lap like when they were in Pentos. 2049 01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:13,680 So like I, I, I think as Allison said, you Targaryens have queer 2050 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:18,560 customs and I don't think they maybe are quite as hung up on 2051 01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,440 the sexual. I don't, I don't think they have 2052 01:38:22,440 --> 01:38:26,040 quite as many sexual hang ups as the Faith. 2053 01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,080 The seven Hightowers for example. 2054 01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:30,880 Yeah, what happens in Pentos stays in Pentos. 2055 01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,360 I did forget about that scene. Yeah, they were definitely 2056 01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,760 showing Damon, bisexual Damon there. 2057 01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,320 But you know, we didn't. It wasn't. 2058 01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:41,120 Mine. It does make me think there 2059 01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,640 might have been more than just randomness of the duck goose 2060 01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:46,880 offering there. Maybe it could have been chicken 2061 01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,200 or beef or something else. They chose duck and goose. 2062 01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,800 That's true. So Mazario, like Laurie's, tells 2063 01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,920 a personal story about her upbringing. 2064 01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,840 Hers is more similar to Varis's upbringing than Laris's. 2065 01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,120 But the point's the same. The parallels are powerful and 2066 01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,520 prominent. It's it's impressive that you 2067 01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,760 rise from that after sexual abuse and your parents abusing 2068 01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:08,920 you. And that's where the sexual 2069 01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:10,440 abuse came from. Her father, she says that's 2070 01:39:10,440 --> 01:39:12,840 where the scar came from. Rainier had asked about that 2071 01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:16,080 before, but she didn't answer before because the trust wasn't 2072 01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:17,480 there. This answering the question 2073 01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,480 somewhat out of nowhere. Here is a sign Razor is telling 2074 01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:22,920 Rainier. And now I trust you enough to 2075 01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,880 tell you this. And she's, but she's also 2076 01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,840 asking, do you trust me in the same way? 2077 01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:33,520 And the answer isn't stated, but the answer is apparent. 2078 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,080 And it's yes, I do trust you. They do trust each other. 2079 01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,520 That's why this moment of intimacy happens. 2080 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:39,760 Can I? Speak to this. 2081 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,600 Something I've seen a really common complaint from people is 2082 01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:47,520 why would these two people hook up after sharing something so 2083 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,880 dark, so traumatic? Sexual trauma isn't that weird. 2084 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,640 It's not weird. No, it's not weird. 2085 01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:55,680 I think it happens in straight relationships even, but I also 2086 01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:59,240 think it's more of a trope within queer relationships that 2087 01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,640 people, women share their sexual trauma, often a trauma that a 2088 01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:08,840 man did to them and then they connect in an intimate way. 2089 01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,840 And I think it's it's, it's speaking to a really. 2090 01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:16,120 True thing that happens, not just a trope on TV, but in 2091 01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:17,880 reality. And again, this happens in 2092 01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,960 straight relationships too. If you haven't experienced it, 2093 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:24,720 that doesn't mean that this was like, oh, look at these male 2094 01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,720 writers writing these women hooking up. 2095 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:31,720 No, I think this was very well executed and I don't think it 2096 01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,560 was sexualized. This wasn't like sex position to 2097 01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,200 me. This was just like a moment of 2098 01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,480 connection. Yes, there's power dynamics, 2099 01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:40,200 there's loneliness, there's fear. 2100 01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,800 There's they have a lot in common that that other people 2101 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,880 couldn't possibly understand. Yeah, it's a lot. 2102 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,080 And Rainier, just like I said at the beginning, Rainier has just 2103 01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:51,240 got through talking about how she doesn't think she can win 2104 01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:54,360 the war and who tells her who pumps her back up and says, yes, 2105 01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,800 you can gives her some ideas, some thoughts. 2106 01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:01,960 Mazaria, she's like, she's being supportive in ways that nobody 2107 01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:03,920 else is. She's kind of starved for like 2108 01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,920 you can do it type vibes, which isn't something that you should 2109 01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:09,960 necessarily need, but she gets it from no one like her 2110 01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,360 husband's not there like propping her up behind the 2111 01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,640 scenes. No one like her son isn't doing 2112 01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,320 that. No one is being as like her 2113 01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:20,720 cheerleader on her side, like, like rooting for her in her 2114 01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,800 chambers or whatever, you know? Not only is no one pumping her 2115 01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,080 up, people are actively tearing her down. 2116 01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,400 You can't do this thing. You don't know what you're 2117 01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,960 talking about. We we got our own plans, 2118 01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,040 etcetera. Mazar is the one person not 2119 01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:35,640 doubting her right now, not just expressing all these doubts 2120 01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,480 about her leadership. Like, no, I know you can do it. 2121 01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:39,760 I trust you still. One person's like I not only do 2122 01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,680 I think you can do it, I explicitly trust you to do it. 2123 01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,240 This is why I'm telling you my life story, and I know why I'm 2124 01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:48,800 volunteering to work with you. I she explicitly trusts her 2125 01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:50,120 period. Maybe right. 2126 01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,240 They're they're both being very vulnerable with each other 2127 01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:54,440 telling you. But she asked her forever ago 2128 01:41:54,440 --> 01:41:58,520 about that scar and she's answering a question now sort of 2129 01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:01,120 in response to Renera being vulnerable herself. 2130 01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:06,400 So there's a lot going on here and I I can see why some people 2131 01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,520 might think it's weird, but I also think that it makes sense 2132 01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,400 if that, if that makes sense. Absolutely. 2133 01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,920 So there's a parallel conversation here to what Gwen 2134 01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,280 and Allison talk about, which is about their upbringing and who 2135 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:18,880 was favored. It's more the like gender 2136 01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,800 dynamics of families, these powerful families that have very 2137 01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:24,280 defined roles for the young women and the young men. 2138 01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,920 Like Gwen was raised in Old Town because he's the heir and 2139 01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,400 Allison was raised at at the Red Keep because she was being 2140 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:34,440 groomed to to rule and be a queen and that's where her 2141 01:42:34,440 --> 01:42:37,360 father wanted her. So that's similar conversation 2142 01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,160 with Rainier has with Missouri about how Damon was given the 2143 01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,440 sword and Damon was free to do what he wanted. 2144 01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:48,040 And she wants to be feared like he is like he is feared and she 2145 01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,560 wants that. And but they both had things 2146 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:51,600 they were jealous about the other. 2147 01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:55,120 Like Damon wanted to be the heir and wanted to be the the trusted 2148 01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:59,480 confidant of of Viserys. And so they both had things they 2149 01:42:59,480 --> 01:43:03,720 were jealous of the other and this is part of their marriage 2150 01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,440 dynamic things that they haven't perhaps spoken to that maybe 2151 01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:10,000 they need to have some conversation, some therapy 2152 01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,600 sessions regarding, you know, something like that, that they 2153 01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,240 can bring it out into the open. But it's also just back to this 2154 01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:19,680 theme of Rainier wanting to take up the mantle of authority and 2155 01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:21,280 realizing that's going to have to be through fear. 2156 01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,160 And like she's using Damon as an example there, which maybe not 2157 01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:30,320 the best example, but he, I mean, it's not untrue that 2158 01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:34,880 people are afraid of him, but there's other ways to wield 2159 01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:38,360 authority and fear that don't have to be quite so Damon like. 2160 01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:42,080 You know, a little bit of a tangent, but sometimes you fear 2161 01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:45,880 someone because I mean, especially like in a fantastic 2162 01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,960 or military environment, they might kill you or beat you up or 2163 01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:53,400 stab you, or they might fire you from your job, or they might be 2164 01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,160 mean. They might just get angry and be 2165 01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:58,440 mean or embarrass you, but sometimes you might fear that 2166 01:43:58,440 --> 01:44:01,840 someone is disappointed in you or ashamed of you for making a 2167 01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:05,040 mistake or bad decision. And maybe there's pros and cons 2168 01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:08,280 to all those, but I would definitely I, I, I appreciate 2169 01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:11,120 the person that I'm quote, UN quote afraid of because I don't 2170 01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,760 want to disappoint them way more than a person I'm afraid of 2171 01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,400 because they'll be mean to me or assault me. 2172 01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,080 I don't think those are the good leaders. 2173 01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:19,280 You know, I agree. I agree. 2174 01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:23,280 The Ranira Mazaria moment where Mazaria says sea smoke is lonely 2175 01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,320 can be interpreted a little bit differently now. 2176 01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:28,000 We we already wondered if maybe it was a hint that Lenore had 2177 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,160 died and that Ranira hadn't thought about that, because she 2178 01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,560 kind of starts when she hears that she's like, lonely. 2179 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,760 Eh, and I kind of brought up at the time that I thought that it 2180 01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:36,680 was speaking to Ranira being lonely. 2181 01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:39,800 And I think even more I, I believe that it had that double 2182 01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,960 meaning that was sorry, I was gauging. 2183 01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,680 She's the lonely dragon. Yeah, I think you're totally 2184 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,000 right. Yeah, that was that was a good 2185 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,240 catch for sure. So the actual moment of the kiss 2186 01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:51,720 uses some familiar techniques for TV and movie that I 2187 01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,080 appreciate here. First, there's no music at all, 2188 01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:57,800 which increases the uncomfortable silence vibe that 2189 01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,280 a lot of times is what leads to a a first kiss. 2190 01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:06,280 And it's like, well, OK. It also sets up the interruption 2191 01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,040 like the knock on the door, whatever is more startle when 2192 01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,560 it's silent. Well, by then the music has 2193 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,640 started, though there. The music starts when they start 2194 01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:13,640 kissing. Yeah. 2195 01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:17,960 So they hug and it lingers. It's like the three or five 2196 01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,080 second rule. If a hug goes more than three 2197 01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:23,280 seconds on screen, it's gonna transition to a kiss. 2198 01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,800 It's like, especially when there's no music. 2199 01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,640 Here's the interesting thing is that this wasn't originally 2200 01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,400 scripted as a kiss. It's always been in the 2201 01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:36,720 intention that this could would progress to being romantic when 2202 01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:38,040 it happened. This is where people are getting 2203 01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:39,520 confused. They keep seeing headlines 2204 01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:42,040 unscripted kiss and they're like the actor's out of this. 2205 01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:45,880 No no no Sonoya Mizuno when when when auditioning like when she 2206 01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:49,480 when getting after she got the part was told that Rainier and 2207 01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:52,320 Mazaria might have a romance. So like this has been in the 2208 01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:56,400 works since pre season one, but originally the scene was just 2209 01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,480 going to be them breathing heavily and having like an 2210 01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:02,600 intense subtextual moment. Who knows when it would have 2211 01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:07,960 actually jumped to romantic explicitly, but it was that they 2212 01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,320 said this is the moment. I just want to clear that up for 2213 01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,160 people because I think this headline has kind of confused 2214 01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:15,280 people because they keep saying unscripted. 2215 01:46:16,440 --> 01:46:19,160 Somewhat unscripted. Planned, but unscripted. 2216 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,480 It wasn't scripted for this moment, but it was planned to 2217 01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:23,480 happen and probably more than once. 2218 01:46:23,480 --> 01:46:25,640 This was just the first one. So while this is apparel of 2219 01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:27,880 Dolaris, it's obviously more complicated and in some ways 2220 01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:29,520 messier. As I said before this, it's not 2221 01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:32,000 straight about ambition. It's not as about as much about 2222 01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,240 survival. There is some genuine like 2223 01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:38,240 attraction here and and maybe it could Burge into more like it 2224 01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:39,720 could be turned. I don't know if it would go as 2225 01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:43,480 far as them loving each other, but it probably won't just stop 2226 01:46:43,480 --> 01:46:46,680 here either. So both of these characters, 2227 01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:51,080 Aegon and Rainier, I have like, I, like I alluded to earlier, it 2228 01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:53,440 has some Star Wars vibes. They're being seduced by 2229 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,400 elements of the dark side. You've got people that are 2230 01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,520 important to them that that can provide a powerful service, a 2231 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:05,440 useful role and be either take up the role of mentor, you know, 2232 01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,240 or lover or somewhere in between. 2233 01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:12,280 And there's all this fear, loss, pain and suffering, which is 2234 01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:14,720 guiding a lot of these decisions, which, you know, and 2235 01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:17,600 there's actual seduction to some extent here as well. 2236 01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:21,040 And of course, power is at the root of all of this. 2237 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,960 So it's also Mazaria who gets Rainiera to confirm that she 2238 01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,480 shouldn't give up on the idea of finding new dragon Raiders. 2239 01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:29,440 I think it was easy to miss this. 2240 01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:30,960 She's like, I should never have, why would I? 2241 01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,800 Why did I do this? Why did I think that Sea Smoke 2242 01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,920 would suffer a darkland to ride him, you know? 2243 01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:40,520 And then, well, that attitude would have already shifted when 2244 01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,520 she sees Adam on sea smoke potentially. 2245 01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,280 But Mazar is like no, it was a good idea regardless. 2246 01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,400 Regardless of the result, it was a good idea. 2247 01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,800 You know, Jayce said the same thing, for what it's worth. 2248 01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:50,760 True. It's important. 2249 01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:52,320 This a very good point. That's true. 2250 01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:54,240 Jayce did say that. So Right. 2251 01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,080 But but it's too Mazaria that Rainier says. 2252 01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:57,720 OK, yeah, I'll, I'll keep looking. 2253 01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:58,920 I'll go back and look for some more. 2254 01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,520 But yeah, this is when Rainier says something kind of naive. 2255 01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:05,600 She says who would possibly want to try riding a dragon after 2256 01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:06,960 finding out what happened to Sir Stefan? 2257 01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:11,400 Yo, lots of people. Have you seen how many people 2258 01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:15,000 out there will risk their life just for views on TikTok? 2259 01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,920 I mean, come on, this is way more benefit than that. 2260 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:23,360 I mean, even in her world, after soldiers go to battle one time, 2261 01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:25,960 they should never want, no, none of them should want to go to 2262 01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:28,160 battle again after what they see, but they keep going again. 2263 01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:30,640 Maybe they'll have much choice. I guess most of the soldiers are 2264 01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:33,480 kind of forced into it, but. Yeah, Mazaria doesn't correct 2265 01:48:33,480 --> 01:48:34,520 her here. I don't think she needs. 2266 01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,480 So she's like, she'll she'll learn she's wrong on her own 2267 01:48:37,480 --> 01:48:39,760 about that one. Once a bunch of people show up, 2268 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,880 like, I'll take the dragon and then she'll realize. 2269 01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:44,440 Yeah. Sora Blue three says I'm an hour 2270 01:48:44,440 --> 01:48:46,600 and a half behind in the live, but I just wanted to make sure 2271 01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:48,960 to give you all your due. Thanks as always for a decade of 2272 01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:50,320 quality content. Well, thank you, Sora Blue. 2273 01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,160 If you've been listening to us for a decade, that's awesome. 2274 01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,800 We have been around that long. If some of you don't know, 2275 01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:59,800 actually 12 years would be a more accurate number. 2276 01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:02,960 But we are still just as obsessed with The Song of Ice 2277 01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:06,120 and Fire as we were back then, so we will keep it coming. 2278 01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:09,840 Appreciate that. Sora Blue 3 Sea smoke Speaking 2279 01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,800 of a bluish, more Gray dragon. But there's some blue in there. 2280 01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,840 What a great scene. Dark, intense and haunting and 2281 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:17,520 beautiful. The Cave looks amazing. 2282 01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:21,920 There's sunlight and arches and dragon keepers and the deep cave 2283 01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,360 with uncertain depth below that sea smoke emerges from the 2284 01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:29,280 dragon keepers sing the same song Damon sang to Vermithor 2285 01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,320 last season. Remember, it's called With Three 2286 01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:33,600 Heads. Watching the House That Dragons 2287 01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:36,840 Built Behind the Scenes program is very illuminating here. 2288 01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,560 There's a lot that goes on into making scenes where people get 2289 01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,880 lit on fire, and there's a lot more than just that. 2290 01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,280 You know, that's another example of singing here. 2291 01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:48,080 I wonder if Helena is comment about this one. 2292 01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,520 Stop Singing might have been talking about Stephen Darkland. 2293 01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,640 No, one of the dragon keepers was killed and that one was 2294 01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:54,840 singing. Stefan wasn't. 2295 01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:57,200 Oh man, that's that's a little thing that it could be. 2296 01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:00,360 Sure, huh, It still happened. After that was after, yeah. 2297 01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:01,520 Oh, really? You sure? 2298 01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,560 Elaine is comet was positive. Dragon thing you might be right, 2299 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,480 but you're positive for that OK well let's keep moving you can 2300 01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:10,880 you can bring it back up later positive you're positive OK I 2301 01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,040 probably. It was after. 2302 01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:16,040 So I mean whether that was said, you know when it's placed, but I 2303 01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:19,120 still would point to it being about, I don't think past 2304 01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:20,600 things, but. No, you're right. 2305 01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:21,680 You're right. I thought it was before. 2306 01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:22,880 It's not. If it's not, then then never 2307 01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:24,280 mind it. It still could be. 2308 01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:27,200 But it I do agree with you that it's much more likely that she's 2309 01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:28,440 talking about something that hasn't happened. 2310 01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:32,200 Yet, OK, I want to point out the quick tangent that it could be 2311 01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:35,000 both or multiple things. In fact, I feel like there's 2312 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,800 been a few times where that beast beneath the board things 2313 01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,200 could potentially be coming back into play, right? 2314 01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:43,360 Like the the rats and the rat catchers. 2315 01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:46,560 Rainies busting out from the dragon pit. 2316 01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:50,400 But those were all after though that still but. 2317 01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,840 Still showing how it could have applied to multiple things. 2318 01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:56,800 Sure, but Aegon in the board in that box too is another 2319 01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:01,120 potential burnt beast, you know. So then we hear he's flown away 2320 01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:04,240 as in addition to burning Stephon Darkland, he leaves, 2321 01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:07,040 flies off, and then later he appears over Spice Town with a 2322 01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:08,480 rider. So we know where that we know 2323 01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:10,360 what happens there, but we haven't talked about it just 2324 01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:12,240 yet. Driftmark is where that happens. 2325 01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:15,080 Spice Town is a city on. Well, it's a town on the island 2326 01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:17,640 of Driftmark. Allen is promoted to 1st mate. 2327 01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:20,640 Like Jon Snow. He is a bastard who doesn't want 2328 01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,240 it, but it's an order. Our shaving head cannon 2329 01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:26,000 confirmed. Shaved head cannon. 2330 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,120 Yeah. Shaving off that thing in the 2331 01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:31,080 behind the scenes stuff. They say that he does that every 2332 01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:35,560 day, like like a like a ritual to keep himself from being like 2333 01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:36,800 his father or something like that. 2334 01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,560 It's just every day he rejects the father. 2335 01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,080 It rejected him. Kind of sad, but you got it. 2336 01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:43,840 But I get it. You know, I don't mean sad, like 2337 01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,440 pathetic. I mean, like, that would suck, 2338 01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,840 you know, to live your life with your father kind of being right 2339 01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:50,200 there but not treating you like a son. 2340 01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:53,920 He tells his brother Adam that, you know, Yeah. 2341 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:55,080 Yeah. It's going to be great to be the 2342 01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:58,880 first mate. Not, you know, we'll be fighting 2343 01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,240 lions and krakens. And that might be true 2344 01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:02,840 eventually. But here's where they don't know 2345 01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,880 about the Triarchy plan. The Greens are going to send the 2346 01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:09,160 Triarchy at them, assuming that works, assuming they can get an 2347 01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:12,440 alliance there. So the Greens aren't aware that 2348 01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:14,280 the Northern army's on its way to the Riverlands, and the 2349 01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:17,000 Blacks don't know that the Greens have reached out to the 2350 01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,880 Triarchy. Who have quite a lot of prior 2351 01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,480 history with the Valerians and Damon Targaryen. 2352 01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:25,200 So they are very much an enemy of those two. 2353 01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:28,400 Now Adam is out on the beach by himself later. 2354 01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,280 It's we've seen him there before. 2355 01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:34,080 And so see smoke first circled around him in episode 3. 2356 01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,800 I believe that was. So now there's more urgency. 2357 01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,720 The Dragon's like coming at him, you know, it's if the dragon 2358 01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,960 knows they're trying to find him a new rider and he's like, I'm 2359 01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,880 making the choice myself. I choose my rider, you know, not 2360 01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,360 y'all. So it's it's not random. 2361 01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:51,360 Adam is the half brother of Sea Smoke's previous rider, Lanor. 2362 01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:53,640 That is. A notable difference though is 2363 01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:57,720 that Lanor had a Targaryen mother and Adam didn't. 2364 01:52:57,800 --> 01:53:00,240 Now that doesn't mean she maybe doesn't have some blurring blood 2365 01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:03,800 in her veins maybe. But at this point in the show we 2366 01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,480 haven't even been introduced to who his mother is and we may not 2367 01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:10,280 get that we do get in the book. It's also not really stated what 2368 01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:15,160 her heritage is, so that's interesting, but you can see the 2369 01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:18,000 connection. Brother of a previous writer. 2370 01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,960 You know, that seems meaningful. You smell like my last writer. 2371 01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:23,520 Simple enough, right? Yeah. 2372 01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,760 Whatever senses the dragon has, maybe there's a little mental 2373 01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:29,800 thing going on as well. And in the behind the scenes, as 2374 01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:31,760 well as in the house the Dragons built, we learned that Clinton 2375 01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:33,720 Liberty, that's the actor playing Adam. 2376 01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:38,480 He's in fantastic shape, which he ran up that hill, you know, 2377 01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:40,520 to get into the forest. He apparently ran up that hill 2378 01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:43,640 like a dozen times filming this. And every time he was just ready 2379 01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:45,080 to go again because he's in such good shape. 2380 01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:47,240 And he did his own stunts. He fell down. 2381 01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:49,400 He tripped over that tree and fell down that rock face. 2382 01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:53,040 But most importantly is his acting, though, right? 2383 01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:57,400 The way his face shifted from just fear and just complete like 2384 01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:00,400 I'm going to die to wait. Are we having a moment? 2385 01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:03,640 All right, yes, you are having a moment. 2386 01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:06,320 That was really good. It was it was not maybe not 2387 01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:10,240 quite as good as Cersei's facial shift when she's seeing happy to 2388 01:54:10,240 --> 01:54:14,360 have Miss Marcella come back and then realizes that it's a 2389 01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:16,960 funeral boat. That's the most epic change of 2390 01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,480 face I've ever seen. And this isn't nearly as like 2391 01:54:19,480 --> 01:54:22,400 trauma traumatic or as heavy, but it's up there. 2392 01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:26,200 This is one of the best facial transitions in Game of Thrones 2393 01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:28,520 TV history. It was interesting they said 2394 01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:30,360 that they doubled the length of the scene. 2395 01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,640 Like I think they just thought it was so good in execution. 2396 01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:35,120 So they doubled the amount of dragon scenes, which I'm so glad 2397 01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:38,880 they did because sea smoke really did just melt my heart. 2398 01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:40,960 You know, I, I mean, I have to say, I can't help but think 2399 01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:44,840 about like all of the Dragon's body count, as it were. 2400 01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:47,520 Like there's certain Dragons that have killed a lot of people 2401 01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:50,480 and some Dragons that have maybe killed no one, right? 2402 01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:54,440 Like Mellie's had long already killed people and like Sea Smoke 2403 01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:56,640 killed a bunch of people at the step stones. 2404 01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:00,160 So anyways, I was a little biased against Sea Smoke, but he 2405 01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:02,600 was just such a sweet good boy here. 2406 01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:06,840 I really it was warmed to him. He Choo Choo choosed Adam. 2407 01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:09,360 He does have dog vibes here. Like, no, we're playing. 2408 01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:11,320 Oh. I've seen more people say that 2409 01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:13,640 it's cat play time. OK, it is a little more like 2410 01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:16,080 cat. Kavita Dr. Kavita Mudan Finn, 2411 01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:19,520 who in our last episode we had with her said that she was 2412 01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:23,720 assigning different dogs to the Dragons, weighed in and said the 2413 01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,520 other Dragons are dogs. Sea Smoke's a cat. 2414 01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:28,400 OK, all right. Yeah, OK. 2415 01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,120 Temperamental. Like seemed to be obeying and 2416 01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:35,000 then suddenly reared back up suddenly and like, turned on 2417 01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:36,840 them suddenly. Yeah, that's cat vibes. 2418 01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,760 I hadn't put a particular thought into it, but my default 2419 01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:44,600 thought was also dog, but I I I'm prefer more cats so. 2420 01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:47,680 Yeah, she likes the way that that the bounds in the jumping. 2421 01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:51,520 Anyways, I like the idea that not all the Dragons are dog 2422 01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:54,240 coated because she'd been like assigning some to golden 2423 01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:57,000 retriever and etcetera. You could check out our curses 2424 01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:58,200 episode. I think that's where she talks 2425 01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:00,480 about that a little bit. Yeah, she does. 2426 01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,600 That's a great episode, Doctor. Kavita Mudan Finn. 2427 01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:08,520 Always such a great guest. So, Sean, if your dad is 2428 01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:10,640 ignoring you, you're you're you're a bastard. 2429 01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:12,800 And your dad ignores you, doesn't talk to you, just 2430 01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,280 pretend you don't exist. You want him to notice you? 2431 01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:19,800 Can you imagine a better way, dragon? 2432 01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:22,760 I mean, Dad's going to notice me now. 2433 01:56:25,640 --> 01:56:26,520 Yeah. Look at me now. 2434 01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:28,240 Dad, you can ignore me now. What's up? 2435 01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:30,320 Yeah, I don't think so. This is this is going to get him 2436 01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,840 noticed by a lot of people. First of all, Rainier, who flies 2437 01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,320 off to confront him, not knowing who it is. 2438 01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:36,560 That's going to create some awkward conversations. 2439 01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,440 First of all, Jason, her counsel might be upset that she again, 2440 01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,000 flew off without talking into anybody. 2441 01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,040 Basically, not the the best thing to do. 2442 01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:48,440 But she's going to come back probably successful. 2443 01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:51,760 You know, like it might be. Maybe it'll be like Jace, hey, I 2444 01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:53,760 I did a bad thing, but I succeeded. 2445 01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:55,760 I got House Fray on her side. So you'll forgive me, right? 2446 01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:57,400 You know, maybe that'll work out here too. 2447 01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:00,080 But in the short term, she's worried it's the greens. 2448 01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:02,000 She's like, oh, crap, the greens got sea smoke. 2449 01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,680 How the heck did that happen? Now, there is certainly a chance 2450 01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:07,800 Adam would want to fight for the Greens, but given the the daddy 2451 01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:11,560 issues here and the his brother is on the black side, he's not 2452 01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:13,200 going to switch against his brother, most likely. 2453 01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:16,160 So, yeah, he won the dragon lottery and a lot of people are 2454 01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:18,680 going to take notice. But imagine this, like, Sean, 2455 01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,960 Can you imagine Rainier? Let's see. 2456 01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:23,720 Rainier confronts him somehow. They they talk, right? 2457 01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:25,640 Who are you? Like, Oh, I'm. 2458 01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,920 I'm the Sea Snake's son. Like, I was married to the Sea 2459 01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:30,720 Snake's son. He didn't have a brother. 2460 01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:32,640 Dude, stop lying. Like, no, really. 2461 01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:35,640 He's like, I didn't say my last name was Valerian, did I? 2462 01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:38,440 Like, I'm telling the truth here. 2463 01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:42,480 I really am the Sea Snake's son. I did wonder a little bit what 2464 01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,360 she would do if she came upon him. 2465 01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:50,480 I I also, some of me is thinking a little bit of the logistics, 2466 01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:52,320 like there's a lot of world out there. 2467 01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:53,920 What are the chances she's going to find them? 2468 01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:57,400 But then I thought, well, they, if they're both in this, there 2469 01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:00,040 aren't that many Dragons in the sky and you can see pretty far 2470 01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:01,960 when you're up in the sky looking around. 2471 01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:04,760 So, but say she chases them down. 2472 01:58:05,720 --> 01:58:09,040 I I don't like at at what point do you decide it's an enemy or 2473 01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:12,560 not or a friend or like, how do you initiate contact? 2474 01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:14,640 How do you I'm? I'm wondering too. 2475 01:58:16,120 --> 01:58:19,040 Because neither of them will necessarily know that the other 2476 01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:21,800 is friendly, and the Dragons themselves might make their own 2477 01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:25,000 decisions. So I'm I'm assuming it's going 2478 01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:29,600 to go well, but I'm you're wary. It's dubious. 2479 01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:30,360 I'm wary. Thank. 2480 01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:32,880 You There's been a lot of misunderstandings in this show. 2481 01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:36,560 Oh yeah, that's very true. Again, so I'm not leading you on 2482 01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:39,480 here. The the this this scene is also 2483 01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:41,560 not how it happened in the books. 2484 01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,960 So we don't have that to draw. And I'm not like hiding 2485 01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:46,680 something I know to to avoid spoilers. 2486 01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:49,640 I don't know. Bogsy sends the Super chat says 2487 01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:53,480 why are you running Sea smoke was giggling like I'm just 2488 01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:55,120 trying to play. Yeah. 2489 01:58:55,640 --> 01:58:57,920 Eric Thompson sends the Super chat 4/20. 2490 01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:00,120 What are you? What are you suggesting? 2491 01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:03,720 Eric Thompson, are you you clearly favored the greens. 2492 01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,040 But the Super chat says I choose you. 2493 01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,440 Adam Chew. Yes indeed. 2494 01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,800 Let's talk about the Riverlands. Let's talk Damon dreaming 2495 01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:18,680 Harrenhal and an A cameo we were clamoring for. 2496 01:59:19,400 --> 01:59:20,800 No sign of Sir Alfred still by the way. 2497 01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:22,080 I don't really have anything to say about that. 2498 01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,920 He's just not there yet. Or or will he ever arrive? 2499 01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:27,400 I assume he will but haven't seen him yet. 2500 01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,040 So Harrenhal we get a Viserys throne room dream. 2501 01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:35,200 Yay. So it starts off with a a slight 2502 01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:38,280 bit of levity where Damon's like, you can't still be mad 2503 01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:40,560 about this. But that's not what's happening. 2504 01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:43,040 No, you're still guilty about this. 2505 01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,480 You still feel bad about this. That's why it's happening. 2506 01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:48,200 It's your dream. That's not how Tron you're not 2507 01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:50,720 feeling his. Yeah, he's not actually there. 2508 01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:55,000 This is in your head, bro. And, and and the intensity he 2509 01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:58,720 feels, the guilt he feels is is displayed by the fact that he 2510 01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,400 knows what's going to happen. He's These are words that were 2511 02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:03,960 already spoken to him. It's being replayed, but he 2512 02:00:03,960 --> 02:00:06,600 still says don't. He's like, he doesn't want to 2513 02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:09,800 hear the moment Viserys exiles him. 2514 02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:12,800 It was, he was genuinely impacted by this dismissal in 2515 02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,080 ways that have nothing to do with ambition. 2516 02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:18,160 And it didn't show in his face when we saw the scene. 2517 02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:20,720 It was personal. Remember he, he's like, you 2518 02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:23,600 never made me Hand, you know, it's kind of a ridiculous thing 2519 02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:26,400 to say, but it shows where his head's at. 2520 02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:30,120 He's like, I'm your brother. I've always been on your side. 2521 02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:33,880 You're not backing me the way I back you like he's he's off, but 2522 02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:38,360 that's where he but he is hurt, you know, and he acted out. 2523 02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:42,360 He feels guilty that he wasn't there for his brother and he 2524 02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:44,280 wants to get away from it. He wants to get away from it. 2525 02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:46,000 He's like, Get Me Out of here. Open the door. 2526 02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:48,720 It's the opposite of odor. Open the door, you know, let me 2527 02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:50,720 out. But the scene extends beyond 2528 02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:52,520 this, right? Like he's he can't get out. 2529 02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:55,680 And we see Viserys take the crown off and start to sob, like 2530 02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:59,400 if this is what happened in the first scene that that that 2531 02:00:59,400 --> 02:01:02,120 Viserys had to pump himself up, kick his brother out and talk to 2532 02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:04,520 him like that. And afterwards he was broken by 2533 02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:06,080 it. He's like, I really, that was so 2534 02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:07,280 painful, sending my brother away. 2535 02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:10,080 I really didn't want to do that, but I had to because he's such a 2536 02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:11,600 jerk. He betrayed me so badly. 2537 02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:14,320 He's putting his ambition before the family and all this other 2538 02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:16,200 stuff. Though keep in mind, Vizaris 2539 02:01:16,200 --> 02:01:18,800 didn't actually do that. That's what Damon believes. 2540 02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:20,920 That's what Damon wants. Vizaris did man. 2541 02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:23,240 It's it's a you're right, you're right. 2542 02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:25,480 And it, it's, it's, it's, it's reasonable that he would have 2543 02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:28,520 done that and that but that leads Damon towards like, I 2544 02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:30,400 really did screw up. If that's what really happened, 2545 02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:33,400 if, if Vizaris felt bad about kicking me out, it just goes to 2546 02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:35,360 show that he really did feel betrayed, you know? 2547 02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:39,160 So Damon finally gets out. Like the door opens and we 2548 02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:42,200 transition to the High Hall of Harrenhal, the High Hall of 2549 02:01:42,200 --> 02:01:44,880 Harrenhal, the big dining room where we've had several scenes. 2550 02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:47,480 Damon kind of breaks. He gets a little weird with 2551 02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:49,280 Simon. Simon gets a little weird back 2552 02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:51,600 at him with the shushing. Like that was like, that was a 2553 02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:54,800 little strange. I loved that. 2554 02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:58,560 I don't know what like, I just think that's so interesting that 2555 02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:01,560 Simon would do that. I don't know if it speaks to his 2556 02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:04,520 knowledge of the supernatural stuff, experience with other 2557 02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:07,320 people, having weird trippy visions and hair and a. 2558 02:02:07,320 --> 02:02:08,880 Lot of lost sleep in this castle. 2559 02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:13,520 He's a patriarch and had kids and has had to shush his kid. 2560 02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:15,840 It was just a really interesting choice. 2561 02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:18,160 I'm like, I'm honestly like, so curious about how that came 2562 02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:19,600 about. Like is it in the script? 2563 02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:22,960 Was that a choice on the day? I I like, I don't know, loved 2564 02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:23,920 it. Love Sir. 2565 02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:27,200 I love Simon Russell beer. He's been phenomenal. 2566 02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:35,000 I I had a similar thought O'Shea that he was this sort of spell 2567 02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:37,640 that Damon is going through. He's not the first one at 2568 02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:39,600 Harrenhal to do this and it's Simon. 2569 02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:42,840 Maybe was even taught by Alice how to manage this. 2570 02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:45,120 You'll see this, you'll see that they'll they'll start to go 2571 02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:46,840 crazy because they don't have enough sleep. 2572 02:02:46,840 --> 02:02:48,160 And you'll this is how you can handle it. 2573 02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:49,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a playbook. 2574 02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:52,240 We did. Incidentally, hear a specific 2575 02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,520 confirm that he's aware of her. She's not a pure figment of 2576 02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,120 Damon's imagination. That was not take away any of 2577 02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:03,160 the mystique or mysticism that might otherwise be surrounding 2578 02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:04,920 her, but Simon is definitely aware of her. 2579 02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:06,200 That was a. Difficult theory for us to 2580 02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:08,760 respond to because we're like, no, she's definitely real, but 2581 02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:10,800 we didn't want to like foil people's theory early, you know, 2582 02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:12,680 like, no, it's because it was kind of presented like that. 2583 02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:14,680 I could see why people thought that, but. 2584 02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:17,400 I was willing to die on that hill because I know I can 2585 02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:20,480 separate myself and know how I would perceive things without my 2586 02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:22,880 book knowledge and I never would before. 2587 02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:25,880 A theory of of of just disappearing. 2588 02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:28,720 What wasn't disappearing? It was a figment that she was. 2589 02:03:28,720 --> 02:03:31,200 Well, yeah, like like if she wanted to observe people, she 2590 02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:34,120 would simply be her owl skin change self like that. 2591 02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:37,200 That was my take on it is like I think we had our clue all along 2592 02:03:37,360 --> 02:03:40,200 for how she was being sneaky or observing people and it's the 2593 02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:42,920 her owl and the weirwood. Yes, definitely. 2594 02:03:43,160 --> 02:03:46,200 So he decided I love the don't look at me. 2595 02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:48,480 Like he's so embarrassed. You know, he's on the floor 2596 02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:52,920 asking for help, like weird, you know, like this is not kingly. 2597 02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:59,080 You know, this is not royal. And he and remember, he's going 2598 02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:01,520 to later, like Alice is like, oh, asking for help. 2599 02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:04,560 He had he's his counsel, but then he actually does ask her 2600 02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,320 for help. And then in this scene, he asked 2601 02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:08,040 for help too. He's kind of like coming out of 2602 02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:10,840 a a dream, but still he was asking for help. 2603 02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:17,000 Real quick, I got to say I, I the theme, continues Adam. 2604 02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:21,840 New identity, Damon. New identity, Amon's new 2605 02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:24,360 identity, Allison, new identity. Yeah, they're all it's, it's 2606 02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:26,720 there's milestones. There's there's, yeah, there's 2607 02:04:26,720 --> 02:04:28,800 milestones in a lot of people's character arcs here that that 2608 02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:30,880 shows a shift. It's sometimes it's like a it's 2609 02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:33,080 like a maybe a little curve veering off for some character, 2610 02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:35,680 some way, some characters. It's dramatic like 180 like it 2611 02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:39,840 is for Adam and maybe Damon here, because this is a big 2612 02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,640 turning point for him. He he doesn't want to admit 2613 02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:46,800 what's really going on. He decides he's been poisoned or 2614 02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:50,280 something, Blames the swamp air. He's so dumb for that. 2615 02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:53,040 He's like, I've been poisoned. Who's probably you drinking this 2616 02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:54,960 concoction from? Alice Rivers? 2617 02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:57,840 What are you on about? Why do not even mention this? 2618 02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:00,600 This is so weird. Because I mean, yeah, I don't 2619 02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:02,680 understand that either, why he doesn't pin it on her. 2620 02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:04,080 But I guess he she's been helping him. 2621 02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:05,160 So he just doesn't think it's her. 2622 02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:08,440 But she very, very much corrals him here. 2623 02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:12,040 He's like she so she she brings up the supernatural explanations 2624 02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:15,000 to force him to realize it's in his own mind because he's like, 2625 02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,000 no, it can't be that that's drivel. 2626 02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:17,960 He's like, well, then what is it? 2627 02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:23,720 If it's not supernatural, then it's in you, then it's you. 2628 02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:27,400 So she gets him to kind of realize this without saying it. 2629 02:05:27,400 --> 02:05:29,200 It's awesome. Like he just, he corners him and 2630 02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:32,240 he's like, well, if it she cuts that off, like no, like if it's 2631 02:05:32,240 --> 02:05:35,520 not supernatural, then it's your own psychology. 2632 02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:37,560 It's really in you. It's great, so. 2633 02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:40,440 And then she gets at him with another thing he doesn't want to 2634 02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:42,920 hear, Alice. She says those who don't crave 2635 02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:44,440 the crown are the ones who most deserve it. 2636 02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:46,520 Like the brother you keep dreaming of. 2637 02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:49,280 He didn't. He didn't crave it, and the air 2638 02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:51,840 he chose didn't. And he's like, don't lecture me. 2639 02:05:52,200 --> 02:05:54,920 But she's just doesn't stop. She's like, it's a burden, not a 2640 02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:58,000 prize to be won, you know? Yeah, I I was going to say that 2641 02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:00,000 was maybe my favorite line of the show. 2642 02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:01,520 I I thought of you when she said. 2643 02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:04,280 That a burden to hold, yeah. Yeah. 2644 02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:06,320 And then we get that mirrored, of course, with like so many 2645 02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:09,440 conversations with Laurie's outright saying the word burden. 2646 02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:12,320 Like it's just, yeah, it's a it's a common theme throughout 2647 02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:15,040 this episode. So he asked for counsel 2648 02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:17,960 regarding the Riverlands, or the River Lords rather. 2649 02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:21,640 In the Riverlands, same thing. And she describes them as mud. 2650 02:06:21,640 --> 02:06:23,960 They won't give an inch. They'd rather die than give an 2651 02:06:23,960 --> 02:06:26,280 inch to each other. I love that because the last 2652 02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:29,960 house to be king in the Riverlands was house mud with 2653 02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:31,200 2DS. Nice. 2654 02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:34,040 So. So yeah, she mocks him gently, 2655 02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:36,400 like, oh, the Damon, the great Damon Tucker, are you asking for 2656 02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:37,520 help? He's like no counsel. 2657 02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:39,640 But then, yeah, a few minutes later, he actually does say I 2658 02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:43,440 need help, Alice. And when he's asked for counsel, 2659 02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:46,240 she closes her eyes. It's hard to see because it's in 2660 02:06:46,240 --> 02:06:47,840 the corner of the screen. And they look, she's looking up 2661 02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:49,520 there in that one shot. Her eyes are closed here. 2662 02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:50,920 And I think she's skin changing here. 2663 02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:53,200 She's in her. She's in her owl because it 2664 02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:55,640 shows up a minute later. And if you listen carefully, 2665 02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:57,600 there's like a screech, I think, before that. 2666 02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:01,440 And he's like, look, if that's how it is, there's nothing I can 2667 02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:03,000 do. And she's like, nothing you can 2668 02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:07,320 do. Yes, wait three days and then 2669 02:07:07,320 --> 02:07:11,200 the winds will change. So it's very subtle because she 2670 02:07:11,200 --> 02:07:14,240 basically starts doing what he wants as soon as he admits he 2671 02:07:14,240 --> 02:07:16,360 needs help. It's like the moment he finally 2672 02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:20,160 breaks, the moment he finally asks for help and Harrenhal 2673 02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:22,800 cracks him, that's when they start working with him. 2674 02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:25,040 They're like, OK, you've turned. You've finally gotten to the 2675 02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:26,520 point we've been driving you towards. 2676 02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,880 Now we'll do the things you want now that we have you in hand a 2677 02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:33,520 little bit, now that you see our value, now that you respect us, 2678 02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:37,880 now that you, whatever else. But they've put him in his 2679 02:07:37,880 --> 02:07:40,440 place, so to speak, and he kind of gets it without saying that 2680 02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:42,200 out loud. I want to point out that she 2681 02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:46,920 said do nothing for three days. Yeah, which is a lot better than 2682 02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:50,000 Allison telling Aegon do nothing, period, Period. 2683 02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:51,440 Yeah. Yeah, he actually listens. 2684 02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:53,280 Doesn't do anything. That's a lot more manageable to 2685 02:07:53,400 --> 02:07:55,120 to do that. Yeah, exactly. 2686 02:07:55,480 --> 02:07:57,840 Did you all notice that when the owl landed on her arm, it was 2687 02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:00,720 finishing off a snack? Like it was eating like it had 2688 02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:02,720 just caught a mouse? And I've like, I think that's 2689 02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:06,360 symbolic, like, because she goes into this speech about how you 2690 02:08:06,360 --> 02:08:08,160 and me are just pieces on the board. 2691 02:08:08,160 --> 02:08:11,760 We are not the players here. She's referring, I guess, to the 2692 02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,560 old gods because who's bigger than like Rainier is not that 2693 02:08:15,560 --> 02:08:18,080 much bigger than Damon. And you know, like I don't think 2694 02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:20,320 she's talking about humans here. I don't she's talking about 2695 02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:22,280 humanity at all. She's talking about old powers 2696 02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:24,440 and the old gods and things beyond their. 2697 02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:26,160 Understanding about the Song of Ice and Fire. 2698 02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:27,400 Yeah, yeah. So. 2699 02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:29,920 Do you think Alice was like yummy? 2700 02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:34,880 Yummy, tasty snack. Can I say also notable, someone 2701 02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:38,680 pointed out in our discord that they use two different owls for 2702 02:08:38,680 --> 02:08:43,960 the still shot versus the the episode the the moving shot. 2703 02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:47,480 I'll put them both on screen so you can see, but one is just 2704 02:08:47,480 --> 02:08:50,040 like a darker owl. One is a bar, an owl, and 2705 02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:52,720 apparently the other is not actually a bar, an owl. 2706 02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:56,560 So there was the one and then when I pull it up here, look, 2707 02:08:56,560 --> 02:08:58,160 here's the other. It's way different. 2708 02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:01,400 It's significantly different. Oh yeah, it's face is white 2709 02:09:01,400 --> 02:09:02,640 there. Yeah, it's, it's, it's way 2710 02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:04,120 different. So that that's just I'm sure one 2711 02:09:04,120 --> 02:09:06,760 was easier to film with. Trained owls I don't. 2712 02:09:06,760 --> 02:09:08,680 Know that was kind of interesting to me. 2713 02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:13,000 So of course, the bigger parallel here is Amond as Amon's 2714 02:09:13,000 --> 02:09:14,600 anger on the rise. Damon is coming through the 2715 02:09:14,600 --> 02:09:16,920 other side of his. She tells him he's blinded by 2716 02:09:16,920 --> 02:09:19,400 anger, and it seems to kind of fall off here a bit. 2717 02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:21,320 So just like Allison is softening, his Rainier is 2718 02:09:21,320 --> 02:09:25,400 hardening, Damon is kind of softening a bit as well. 2719 02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:30,040 So while he's waiting those three days is when he has the 2720 02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:33,360 second dream of Patty. And it's way different than all 2721 02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:35,400 his other dreams. Way different. 2722 02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:39,080 Viserys is weeping over Emma's body, something that we never 2723 02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:41,440 saw but probably happened. Something like it. 2724 02:09:41,480 --> 02:09:43,520 Damon imagines it as if he was there. 2725 02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:45,400 So This is why it's such a huge turning point. 2726 02:09:45,400 --> 02:09:47,720 Because every other dream, he was denying it. 2727 02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:51,000 He was fighting back. He was arguing with his dream 2728 02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:52,600 beings. He was cutting right here, his 2729 02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:55,760 head off. He was whatever, just denying 2730 02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:58,120 it, fighting back. This time, he embraces it. 2731 02:09:58,120 --> 02:10:00,600 He's like, yeah, I should have been there for you. 2732 02:10:01,120 --> 02:10:02,840 I'm here now. You know, it's like, kind of 2733 02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:05,040 like Allison, Little, little late, but better late than 2734 02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:08,480 never. And he's genuinely ashamed of 2735 02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:11,760 what he did. And he's coming to terms with 2736 02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:13,400 that. Like, he can't apologize to his 2737 02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:15,320 brother. His brother's long dead, but 2738 02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:17,520 he's at least admitting that he screwed up, that he should have, 2739 02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:21,920 that he was disloyal. He wasn't a good brother and he 2740 02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:24,240 was selfish. He like, yeah, he didn't. 2741 02:10:24,240 --> 02:10:27,480 The air for a day thing didn't go down quite like Viscera said 2742 02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:30,840 it wasn't as bad, but. And he said he must grieve. 2743 02:10:30,840 --> 02:10:32,040 We must all grieve in our own way. 2744 02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:34,080 That was kind of an excuse. It's a weak excuse. 2745 02:10:34,200 --> 02:10:36,560 Your way is completely independent from your brother, 2746 02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:39,600 who badly needs you. This is a man who was whipped up 2747 02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:42,120 an army for his brother at the Great Council, like ready to 2748 02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:44,640 fight for his brother's rights. But you can't comfort him when 2749 02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:46,560 his wife dies and when his son dies. 2750 02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:48,720 Like, come on, bro. It's pretty straightforward when 2751 02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:51,640 you put it like that. So when he emerges from this 2752 02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:56,120 dream, it's again, by the way, Simon Strong waking him up 2753 02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,400 again. It's almost always Simon. 2754 02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:01,120 Like 90% of the time, Simon is the one bringing him out of his 2755 02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:04,520 dream, which is curious, but more on that some other time. 2756 02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:06,960 So while this is happening, his dream turns. 2757 02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:10,560 And then while this is happening, Alice Gosson murders 2758 02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:15,200 Lord Grover, finishes him off, plies her trade, you know, like, 2759 02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:17,560 let me take a shot at it. Oh, he dies. 2760 02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:20,680 Oh, what a bummer. So it's like they got him to 2761 02:11:20,760 --> 02:11:24,160 confront his fears, his past, his his anxieties, his guilt. 2762 02:11:24,560 --> 02:11:26,960 Once he did it. Now they're working with him. 2763 02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:29,480 Why, though? This is the part that's not as 2764 02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:32,960 clear, but it seems like his personality shift coincides with 2765 02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:36,400 them, like doing what he wants and making it easier for him to 2766 02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:40,200 maybe get the Riverlands on his side, which is a very, which is 2767 02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:43,840 very different from the Alice Rivers who was concerned about 2768 02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:46,440 common folk. But is she really that concerned 2769 02:11:46,440 --> 02:11:50,280 about common folk if she's saying the powers that are none 2770 02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:52,800 of us can understand that are bigger than all of us are 2771 02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:57,080 actually at work here. Well, that might be more what's 2772 02:11:57,080 --> 02:11:58,720 going on. It's like Mazari, she's willing 2773 02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:01,640 to see a few common folk die if it feeds the rest of them. 2774 02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:03,640 You know, maybe that's the angle, but it's not as 2775 02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:05,760 straightforward. We we have to consider Alice 2776 02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:09,240 isn't, isn't, isn't all she says she is, right? 2777 02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:11,840 She's got some goals here too, that she's only kind of alluded 2778 02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:14,520 to. So if we bring in Laurice into 2779 02:12:14,520 --> 02:12:18,800 this, remember we talked about how his birth was may be 2780 02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:20,720 associated with Alice Rivers's presence. 2781 02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:24,320 That really changes our our view of how old she is, doesn't it? 2782 02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:26,840 Like we already don't know. They already chose an actress 2783 02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:29,080 who's it's kind of hard to tell how old she is, right? 2784 02:12:29,080 --> 02:12:31,000 Like you already said it yourself, Sean, Like you could 2785 02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:33,000 see her being 40. You could see her being 20. 2786 02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:35,360 Larry's murdered his family 10 years ago. 2787 02:12:35,560 --> 02:12:39,200 He was an adult when Aegon was two. 2788 02:12:39,200 --> 02:12:41,600 Remember his first appearance was in the hunt episode, the 2789 02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:44,800 white stag episode. He's not a young man. 2790 02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:48,760 So he was born like 40 years ago, maybe 35. 2791 02:12:49,600 --> 02:12:56,800 She was already old enough to be accused of sorcery on the child 2792 02:12:57,240 --> 02:12:58,920 at that. So yeah, she's older than she 2793 02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:00,880 looks. It was a little bit of maybe 2794 02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:03,160 not, maybe not as extreme as Melisandre, but that's a 2795 02:13:03,160 --> 02:13:07,320 character you might think of. Even if she was only 15 at that 2796 02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:10,960 time and Loris is only 35, that would put her at 50. 2797 02:13:11,240 --> 02:13:13,800 So. But she might have been 25 that 2798 02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:16,560 time and Loris might be 45 now. And yeah. 2799 02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:22,160 So when she says older things than you or I older than living 2800 02:13:22,160 --> 02:13:24,880 memory, it's hard for me to not think of like that means the old 2801 02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:26,880 gods, right? That's that's who you're 2802 02:13:27,120 --> 02:13:30,600 championing here or talking about. 2803 02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:33,040 So did y'all catch this? I want your opinion on both, 2804 02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:35,200 your opinion on this. When Simon delivers the news, 2805 02:13:35,200 --> 02:13:36,840 he's like, oh, yeah, Grover Tully died. 2806 02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:38,720 He's like, well, what? What was the manner of his 2807 02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:40,520 passing? He's like, oh, well, you know, 2808 02:13:40,520 --> 02:13:42,040 he was old. You know, he was. 2809 02:13:42,360 --> 02:13:46,640 But also Alice went there. It's like he first said, oh, he 2810 02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:48,960 was old. He's like, yeah, but Alice went 2811 02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:51,360 and tried to. She's a renowned healer and 2812 02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:54,400 tried to ply her craft, but yeah, it didn't work. 2813 02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:58,720 And now he's dead. Was, was Simon smirking a little 2814 02:13:58,720 --> 02:14:00,960 bit when he said this? He had this like, man, this guy, 2815 02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:02,360 You're right. I should say this guy's such a 2816 02:14:02,360 --> 02:14:05,000 good actor cuz like, I, I think he was, but I can't tell. 2817 02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:08,760 And I'm like, that was just intentional. 2818 02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:11,480 I think like, oh man, I love this guy. 2819 02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:15,560 I took note of that that look also, but couldn't quite decide 2820 02:14:15,640 --> 02:14:17,600 where where I kind of landed was. 2821 02:14:17,960 --> 02:14:21,520 What look should he have? I think almost any look he has, 2822 02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:27,240 we might read suspicion into I I even wondered things like maybe 2823 02:14:27,240 --> 02:14:31,040 Alice didn't actually kill him. Maybe she just knew that he was 2824 02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:33,680 going to die. And by going there to quote UN 2825 02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:36,760 quote help, it makes Damon feel like she's helping him. 2826 02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:38,240 But maybe she had a vision of his death. 2827 02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:43,600 Anyway, if she did go there to help like they really these the 2828 02:14:43,600 --> 02:14:45,240 tolleys would have had to trust her. 2829 02:14:45,400 --> 02:14:48,440 And if there's already rumors of her being a witch, I don't know. 2830 02:14:48,640 --> 02:14:51,480 There's some pieces of it that make me wonder how it exactly 2831 02:14:51,480 --> 02:14:56,240 played out And and I can't help but wonder a little bit if maybe 2832 02:14:56,240 --> 02:14:59,120 Simon is not even being honest. Maybe Alice didn't go there and 2833 02:14:59,120 --> 02:15:01,800 he's just telling that to Damon. Maybe that would help explain 2834 02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:05,400 the little look that he gave. Or maybe he knows exactly what 2835 02:15:05,400 --> 02:15:06,960 she did. Maybe she went there with 2836 02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:08,200 intent. They talked about it. 2837 02:15:08,200 --> 02:15:08,640 Yeah. I don't. 2838 02:15:08,640 --> 02:15:10,920 I don't know. There's a question too about why 2839 02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:14,920 they would let Alice do that and then trust her and not be 2840 02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:19,320 suspicious as well. It does seem like it might, I 2841 02:15:19,320 --> 02:15:21,040 just seems a little dangerous on her part. 2842 02:15:21,320 --> 02:15:24,520 Here's why I'm OK with it, because if they super, super 2843 02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:26,520 trusted her, they would have called her in much sooner. 2844 02:15:27,200 --> 02:15:29,000 This is a this is more of a last resort thing. 2845 02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:31,680 Like the dude's dying like this. May as well let Alice River. 2846 02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:33,560 Maybe we don't trust her, but like it really can't be any 2847 02:15:33,560 --> 02:15:35,600 worse. Like he's dying, you know he 2848 02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:38,640 can't talk. And it's the type of thing we've 2849 02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:43,520 talked before, like one sentence that happens about something off 2850 02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:47,520 screen could be a whole TV show. There could be a whole season 2851 02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:53,160 about the the inner politics of of the totally household, right? 2852 02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:57,200 There could be 3 or 4 Lords that also wish he would die so they 2853 02:15:57,200 --> 02:15:59,760 can move on with the war. And three or four people who 2854 02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:03,240 were aghast at that idea. And one person that knows Alice 2855 02:16:03,240 --> 02:16:05,240 isn't trustworthy, but the other people don't know it. 2856 02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:08,440 You can imagine how that the drama that might have played out 2857 02:16:08,440 --> 02:16:09,760 around that because that's the thing. 2858 02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,720 Even if for some reason they did trust her and let her work on 2859 02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:17,040 him, then he dies, do they? Why don't they arrest her? 2860 02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:18,200 Why don't they become suspicious? 2861 02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:20,960 They let her just leave I. Well, because why would they 2862 02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:22,720 have brought her into the 1st place if they didn't? 2863 02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:24,840 Like they clearly trusted her if they brought her in. 2864 02:16:24,840 --> 02:16:25,480 So I don't. I don't know. 2865 02:16:25,600 --> 02:16:27,560 You can't really have it both. Or thought it was the last 2866 02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:29,160 resort. Or, well, thankful so they 2867 02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:29,880 wouldn't. They wouldn't. 2868 02:16:29,880 --> 02:16:31,560 Arrest her. If they were willing to take a 2869 02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:33,320 lot like that's just, there's just no grounds for that. 2870 02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:35,360 I think they wouldn't have. Invited who they is, there might 2871 02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:38,600 be different factions. Well, the day is is Lord Tully, 2872 02:16:38,600 --> 02:16:41,680 the young boy who we've seen isn't, isn't the like most 2873 02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:43,559 aggressive. He's a soft kind of, I mean, not 2874 02:16:43,559 --> 02:16:45,760 saying he's not capable of things, but he he's he's nice. 2875 02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:48,600 He seems nice and not like a like the type to just arrest 2876 02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:51,840 someone on the on the spot. He may have also gained Alice 2877 02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:54,200 and or Simon's trust while he was at Harrenhal. 2878 02:16:54,200 --> 02:16:56,120 Yeah, that's he may have worked on him a little bit some. 2879 02:16:56,600 --> 02:16:58,400 Spell of hers. She may have been able to 2880 02:16:58,400 --> 02:16:59,719 manipulate him. Very true. 2881 02:16:59,719 --> 02:17:02,959 There's a lot of possibilities here that that fit that we 2882 02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:08,440 can't, we just aren't Privy to. So maybe this opens up a way for 2883 02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:10,559 Damon to get the River Lords after all. 2884 02:17:10,799 --> 02:17:13,840 Certainly the fact that there he only has to convince one person 2885 02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:16,639 now, then all these people could make his job easier. 2886 02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:17,799 That doesn't mean it's going to work. 2887 02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:21,360 But he doesn't show any immediate satisfaction at that. 2888 02:17:21,360 --> 02:17:24,799 He just puts his head back down and weeps because he's still 2889 02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:28,520 feeling the guilt that he just woke up from that dream where he 2890 02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:30,280 had his turning point. Like that just happened. 2891 02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:32,879 That's how I feel after a nap, too. 2892 02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:35,240 You know, You just wake up and you're like, oh, I'm just 2893 02:17:35,240 --> 02:17:37,840 compobulated and I just got to cry. 2894 02:17:37,879 --> 02:17:40,600 Yeah. And of course, as we've said, 2895 02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:43,120 Grover Tully maybe kind of reminds him of Asaris. 2896 02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:44,920 I think like an old man that people aren't that's that's in 2897 02:17:44,920 --> 02:17:46,559 charge that people aren't listening to anymore. 2898 02:17:46,559 --> 02:17:49,080 And maybe maybe helped helped him along to his death, like 2899 02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:50,639 because Damon believes the Greens did that. 2900 02:17:50,959 --> 02:17:54,360 So that I think factors in here. So he's finally admitted to 2901 02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:55,799 himself that he wronged his brother. 2902 02:17:55,799 --> 02:17:58,440 So this, this all is just washing over him right now. 2903 02:17:59,240 --> 02:18:00,559 He's gained something huge at Harrenhal. 2904 02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:02,719 He may not realize it yet. He might think he may think this 2905 02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:05,240 is all making him weaker. But this is the kind of 2906 02:18:05,240 --> 02:18:08,000 character growth we saw from Jamie in the same area. 2907 02:18:08,559 --> 02:18:11,280 His, his, his character growth started at Harrenhal. 2908 02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:13,520 And some of some of the worst, worst moments were at Harrenhal 2909 02:18:13,520 --> 02:18:16,760 too, in and around Harrenhal. We'll say not at not initially 2910 02:18:16,760 --> 02:18:19,240 all within the walls of it. His hand got cut off near it. 2911 02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:23,040 His where would tree dream was near it, but also his white 2912 02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:25,920 cloak was given to him at Tournament of Harrenhal and all 2913 02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:27,040 that stuff. So there's a lot of, he's got a 2914 02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:30,799 lot of association with Harrenhal, but and his dream, 2915 02:18:30,799 --> 02:18:34,280 his dream that he had at the Weirwood stomp is very similar 2916 02:18:34,280 --> 02:18:37,000 to the type of dreams Damon's having here. 2917 02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:41,920 And again, Jamie didn't have a redemption arc. 2918 02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:45,959 He had a change to his character that was somewhat redemptive. 2919 02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:48,799 He wasn't redeemed entirely. And then he backslid again later 2920 02:18:48,799 --> 02:18:50,280 in the show and we'll see about the books. 2921 02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:53,600 So all the stuff that could be on the table for Damon, it's not 2922 02:18:53,600 --> 02:18:56,639 necessarily redemption, but it is redemptive. 2923 02:18:56,639 --> 02:19:00,080 It's positive and it definitely represents real change to the 2924 02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,000 character. What he'll do with it, well, 2925 02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:03,959 we'll see. But he's grown. 2926 02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:06,400 We'll see. What I got to say, Jamie, is, 2927 02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:09,520 you know, growing or redeeming or whatever from a higher point 2928 02:19:09,520 --> 02:19:13,240 than Damon in the 1st place. Like the person that, as far as 2929 02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:16,520 I know, the one person that Jamie killed was a murderous 2930 02:19:16,520 --> 02:19:18,320 king. He tried to kill Bran. 2931 02:19:18,480 --> 02:19:20,360 He killed his own. Wife, he tried to kill Bran, 2932 02:19:20,360 --> 02:19:22,200 don't forget that. OK, you can count Bran. 2933 02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:23,360 You can count. Bran. 2934 02:19:23,400 --> 02:19:25,879 I think. And he killed all of Ned's men 2935 02:19:25,879 --> 02:19:31,360 for just because because Catelyn locked up Tyrion. 2936 02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:34,719 That was remember he jumped him in the streets and was going to 2937 02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:36,360 kill Ned until the other guy interfered. 2938 02:19:36,360 --> 02:19:38,680 Yeah, so young Jamie is pretty crappy. 2939 02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:40,680 Or before before his. Yeah, there's some. 2940 02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:43,200 You go back farther before his POV and there's a there's a 2941 02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:44,600 quite a few things he does that are kind of shady. 2942 02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:47,200 Of course, killing Harry's is not one of them though, but 2943 02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:49,280 that's part of what makes. Them so interesting Damon 2944 02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:50,640 committed incest. Oh wait, I. 2945 02:19:51,640 --> 02:19:55,200 Do have that in common. Yeah, of course the Targaryens 2946 02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:57,520 were. That's not a negative. 2947 02:19:57,640 --> 02:20:00,040 That's not like a crime to people when they do it. 2948 02:20:00,360 --> 02:20:01,960 Jamie and Cersei knew they were doing something wrong. 2949 02:20:03,320 --> 02:20:05,560 They weren't married. That's a King's Guard oath. 2950 02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:08,200 That's a cheating on the king. Now there's it's still very 2951 02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:09,320 more. Age appropriate. 2952 02:20:09,360 --> 02:20:10,600 Yeah, it is more age appropriate. 2953 02:20:10,600 --> 02:20:13,320 Yeah, that's true. That's just none of it's 2954 02:20:13,320 --> 02:20:17,680 appropriate really, But it does make for great stories, great 2955 02:20:17,680 --> 02:20:20,160 storytelling and a lot of fun discussions. 2956 02:20:20,560 --> 02:20:23,320 That does mean the end of our episode. 2957 02:20:23,320 --> 02:20:27,000 We have reached the conclusion of our season, our episode 2 2958 02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:31,680 season, Season 2, episode 6 analysis rather. 2959 02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:35,040 And so someone says Alice gives the mouse to the owl. 2960 02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:36,400 Is that Oh, really? I didn't see that. 2961 02:20:36,400 --> 02:20:39,560 OK, that's a good catch. She hands it to the owl. 2962 02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:42,160 Yes, that. When the owl lands on her arm, 2963 02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:44,360 she pulls a mouse, ready to go for. 2964 02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:46,640 It if there's a. Treat I don't know so I I didn't 2965 02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:49,640 verify that, but multiple people in the chat said it so I'm going 2966 02:20:49,640 --> 02:20:51,320 to go ahead and then believe them. 2967 02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:53,160 Story checks out. Probably I. 2968 02:20:53,720 --> 02:20:55,520 Wonder if that might even be a real world thing. 2969 02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:57,400 That's how they get the owl to land. 2970 02:20:57,400 --> 02:20:59,640 They have to have. The treat Here's your snack. 2971 02:20:59,640 --> 02:21:01,480 Yeah, like real world is in in the action. 2972 02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:04,600 True because it's not true. It wouldn't have to be true for 2973 02:21:04,600 --> 02:21:06,640 Alice, who skipped. Changing her owl. 2974 02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:09,600 But yeah. Either way, but AL's got to eat 2975 02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:12,200 still, so you know, either way it's I love to go. 2976 02:21:12,200 --> 02:21:14,000 Owl's got to. Eat owl's got to eat. 2977 02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,200 Owl is rivers. Owl is rivers. 2978 02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:20,600 Yeah, Owl is Rivers. Yeah, it works so many ways. 2979 02:21:21,360 --> 02:21:25,720 Next time we have Ken Renfro with Sean, we'll. 2980 02:21:25,720 --> 02:21:28,240 So we'll be just taking a no spoilers approach with the next 2981 02:21:28,920 --> 02:21:31,840 episode on Wednesday and we'll be back with predictions and 2982 02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:33,800 previews and spoilers on Saturday. 2983 02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:36,120 So also we hope to see you there. 2984 02:21:37,080 --> 02:21:42,080 Thanks to Bran the Builder for his awesome intro that we love 2985 02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:44,680 so much. It's it's pure fire and blood. 2986 02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:49,080 And thanks to Michael Klarfeld for the awesome map that you see 2987 02:21:49,080 --> 02:21:50,800 behind me. There are so many more maps 2988 02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:52,840 Michael has available for sale on his website. 2989 02:21:52,840 --> 02:21:59,520 Go to KLARADO x.de that's claradox.de to get yourself one 2990 02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:02,520 or more of those awesome maps. You can do it. 2991 02:22:02,520 --> 02:22:06,080 You sure can. And on behalf of Ashea and Sean, 2992 02:22:06,280 --> 02:22:08,160 did you have a last comment, Sean, or was that just your 2993 02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:11,080 wave? That's a a last minute question. 2994 02:22:11,080 --> 02:22:13,440 What's your shirt? Oh my shirt. 2995 02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:20,320 I'm wearing the oh Long live the King Viserys shirt with his mask 2996 02:22:20,320 --> 02:22:23,920 and his crown and this this shirt hit the hit the stores 2997 02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:27,520 right after the walk after Paddy's great walking to the 2998 02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:30,160 throne for his last. I will sit the throne today. 2999 02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:33,800 Otto, I am confused. Why are we hearing petitions on 3000 02:22:33,800 --> 02:22:36,880 a settled matter? Yeah, yes. 3001 02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:37,920 It was so good to see Patty again. 3002 02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:39,280 So of course that's why I'm wearing the shirt today. 3003 02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:43,360 I likely won't have another chance to wear it with anything 3004 02:22:43,400 --> 02:22:45,840 with it being relevant. It it could still be fun to just 3005 02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:47,200 to wear 'cause it's, it's a fine shirt. 3006 02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:49,520 But yeah. And you have what going on there 3007 02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:53,160 looks like a get a get down shirt, the get down. 3008 02:22:53,240 --> 02:22:55,120 Shaolin fantastic from the get down. 3009 02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:57,800 A ladykilling romantic. And it sounds like Daron 3010 02:22:57,800 --> 02:23:01,720 Targaryen is another ladykilling romantic musical type guy, so 3011 02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:03,560 I'm picturing Daron. Fantastic, right? 3012 02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:08,240 Now, Daron, fantastic. That's that's fantastic. 3013 02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:11,920 OK, folks, we'll see you next time for more. 3014 02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:16,040 And you know what to do that. Until then, Valar reread us.